#1161 - Jerrod Carmichael & Jamar Neighbors

[0] Five, four, three, two, one.

[1] Live, and we're live.

[2] Mr. Carmichael.

[3] Hello, my friend.

[4] Mr. Neighbors.

[5] Hello, Joe.

[6] I brought Jamar.

[7] I know, uh, Jamar.

[8] Thank you, man. I didn't know you were coming, but glad to see you.

[9] Man, me neither, man. He made me come.

[10] He just came by.

[11] I was like, I'm going to Joe Rogan.

[12] And he was like, I'm going to come.

[13] I was like, perfect.

[14] Perfect.

[15] Perfect.

[16] What the fuck is going on, man?

[17] Man, what are you up to?

[18] I just got him from New York, like, two hours ago, and now I'm here.

[19] I feel real, I don't know, I feel like a, you know, you obviously like a homeless man smoking a cigarette.

[20] Yeah.

[21] And he just feels like real zen, and this is his, that's how, that's how I feel emotionally right now.

[22] Really?

[23] Yeah, really.

[24] Like a homeless dude smoking a cigarette.

[25] What a weird analogy.

[26] I feel, it's great.

[27] It's really great.

[28] Trying to figure that out, that feeling.

[29] It's like, I have everything that I need.

[30] right now in your life have everything that i need yeah yeah but you've been killing it for a long time man you know you were killing it when i wasn't at the store i'd heard about you um when i was i was gone i'd heard about you i think aria's one of told me about you oh yeah you know and then i found out that spike lee directed your specials like what like what the fuck is happening over at the comedy store you know spike lee's directing comedy specials that was a fun because it was like just such an immediate I was like it has to be in the OR nobody filmed in the OR and so like you know get in everybody to agree to that yeah and then like because even Spike was like but the main room's right here so big and it's like but I don't do the main room or do the OR yeah the main room is pretty good too I used to I used to be prejudiced against the main room I'd be like ah it's too big it's too showy it depends on it's dirty and grimy it depends on like you know the sides are full or open and what the the room can change depending on like so many factors of like seating and whatever just the sound of it well the room really changes when it gets empty late at night like that's a strange room where like brodie's doing those midnight spots those have been some fun spots why it's just when brodie's just that was like i used to Tommy used to make me uh follow brodie uh like all the time it's a that's such a fun interesting thing to do to like because what else is left right at that point you know the audience is headspace yeah it's in they're in such a different place that it's just fun to piece it back together and yeah figure it out tomorrow you get a lot of those freaky spots yeah man you ever had to follow brian holtsman many times I'm like no what happens well he's just so crazy he'll say so much crazy shit that the audience is just like stunned.

[31] Yeah, it's like Brody Times 20.

[32] Really?

[33] You never see Holtzman?

[34] Funny as fuck.

[35] Yeah, I don't think I have yet.

[36] Oh my God.

[37] Dude, Holtzman said some of the darkest shit I've ever seen anybody say on stage.

[38] He went on stage after, do you remember Susan Smith, that lady that drowned her kids?

[39] She was a lady that she drowned her kids.

[40] I forget, like, what the context of it was.

[41] Holstman went on stage like two days later I heard those were bad kids I heard they sat that close to the TV they never put away their blocks they fucking spilled their milk those kids would not be missed and people were like what in the fuck when you say that maybe I have heard Brian Holstman dude right after September 11th Mitsy wouldn't let them go on stage she'd keep them off stage she wouldn't let him go up she wouldn't let him go up Couldn't risk the potential, like, riot.

[42] Well, he's a really funny guy and a really good comic, but he's never been a professional, like, his whole life.

[43] He's been doing comedy forever.

[44] When I came to the store in 94, Holtzman was already there, and he's never been a professional.

[45] He's always had a job.

[46] He's always been, he was a dog catcher, he was a meter made, like a bunch of different shit.

[47] Yeah.

[48] So he's never, never really branched out.

[49] Yeah.

[50] Eleanor was telling me how you fought Martin Lawrence as a bodyguard.

[51] Well, you could call it that.

[52] You could say, I would say Martin Lawrence's bodyguard beat the fuck out of Brian Holtzman.

[53] That's how I would say it.

[54] Martin Lawrence was heckling.

[55] And, well, Holtzman's on stage.

[56] He's saying crazy shit.

[57] And there's like 10 people in the room.

[58] And Martin was heckling, apparently.

[59] And Brian got off stage to point out that it was Martin Lawrence.

[60] He's like, look, this fucking rich, famous motherfuckers heckling me. Boom!

[61] Oh, wow.

[62] And he gets knocked out by...

[63] Oh, it was at a media.

[64] This wasn't even a parking lot thing.

[65] I heard it was a showcase.

[66] Is that what you heard?

[67] As I heard.

[68] The stories get twisted, right?

[69] Stories are funny.

[70] Stories get weird after a while.

[71] But yeah, that was the dark days of the comedy store.

[72] That was like...

[73] I want to say that was like...

[74] I don't even know if that was the 2000s.

[75] What is it...

[76] I haven't really been in...

[77] And, like, I've kind of been, but I, like, is it now, like, still that place where you go experiment, try out?

[78] I do.

[79] Jamar is actually, though, I go to see Jamar, like, when I go.

[80] It's usually to, like, whatever 1 a .m. shit that.

[81] Right.

[82] You know what I mean?

[83] That's, like, great.

[84] I just hit them up and be like, hey, man, I'm going up.

[85] I'm going up.

[86] I'm going to do some crazy shit.

[87] You coming through?

[88] Oh, yeah.

[89] I love it.

[90] For those one o 'clock sets, it's a different world.

[91] It's a different, it's experimental, it's strange, it's kind of sad.

[92] There's a little bit of sadness.

[93] Yeah, it's perfect.

[94] Oh, the sadness.

[95] The sadness is those late nights, because you're like, you're looking at your watch, like, why am I not at home?

[96] Why am I not asleep?

[97] I remember that feeling my first time going to the comedy store.

[98] Just being like, like, why am I sad?

[99] Like, just like this thing that just weighs you, like, I remember feeling kind of like.

[100] Worthless?

[101] No, just like kind of like the, it just, it really feels like a ghost is choking you up.

[102] Like it's not like, it's like a weird.

[103] Who's ghost?

[104] Oh, man, pick, pick one.

[105] Yeah, there's a lot of ghosts.

[106] There's a lot of ghosts in that room.

[107] And they come, they, when everyone's gone, that's when they show up.

[108] You think for real?

[109] No. No, I don't think for real like you'll see them.

[110] but you definitely feel like weirdness Yeah, no, there's a weird Especially when you bomb me You get that cold Like, fuck you, prior Well, you know, he bombed there too You know, there's some classic famous stories about prior bombing As he was filming live in the Sunset's trip Like some of the sets Had the footage Oh really?

[111] Yeah, the showtime Had like the footage of that show Oh, the show where he was prepping, like, where he was getting ready for the...

[112] Well, no, no, like the show where just didn't go, like, you know, Stephen Warner's there.

[113] Yeah, well, they filmed the, you know, that strip show where he had to come back to the next night and, like, kind of redo it.

[114] He just had, like, he was just, he, you know, operated from such a place of just, like, it was so, it had to be honest to him.

[115] I think, and it just hadn't gone up in a while and was on stage and was just, like, in the room and just, sat in it he just he just sat those footage is crazy see me that wow yeah it's really who's got the footage well it's in the dock you can see it in a document it's like a little bit but I think it's extended footage I haven't seen the extended footage if that exists but there's some great old cassettes that I bought from like a gas station there were uh red fox's comedy club red fox had a comedy club and prior would go up and just fuck around man just fuck around and there was many of them i mean there was like seven or eight recordings mavericks flat i think it was right that was the name of the company i think so off of like crinshaw or something over there like oh where the club was yeah i don't know i got them when i was living in boston i was living in boston i was living in boston and i found them like at a gas station they were for sale yeah and it was crazy because it was like it was small crowd you could tell it was a small crowd and Pryor was just fucking around man He was just he was ad livin You could tell that like it wasn't structured And some of it was really funny And some of it like kind of fell flat Yeah And you can hear like the clink of glasses And shit in the background And it was just so real Richard, you know Richard Pryor back then He was doing something that It's like he had figured out a thing That he could do That other people hadn't figured out And that thing was like Just be totally honest and also just explore ideas on stage in front of people.

[116] Like, not even have it mapped out yet.

[117] Just fuck around and find what's funny.

[118] And he'd be smoking cigarettes and just talking.

[119] And he figured out a way to turn.

[120] And then you would see it boiled in to like Richard Pryor Live or Live on the Sunset's trip or any of his specials.

[121] You would see it boiled down into that.

[122] Yeah, yeah.

[123] Doing it for, you know, he performed for television.

[124] really well.

[125] And that's like kind of an element that I think people kind of forget that like how well of a, it connected with you watching it at home.

[126] Like, you know, even me 20, 30 years later after it's filmed and just watching it with my dad, it's, he plays really well here.

[127] You know what I mean?

[128] Like to you, it's like you can feel how personal, how honest it is.

[129] And so when it was like boiled down, it was just, he was also captured really well.

[130] Did you ever see him live?

[131] No. Prior?

[132] Yeah.

[133] Wait, how old do you think I had?

[134] No, he was alive doing stand -up 10 years ago.

[135] Yeah, maybe a little bit more.

[136] Maybe 15 years ago.

[137] Yeah, when did he die?

[138] Maybe it was more than 15 years ago, not that I'm thinking about it.

[139] Did you ever see him live?

[140] Yeah, I had to follow him.

[141] Like five weeks in a row, man. Really?

[142] Like a run in.

[143] 2005 he died okay so it was more than i thought like a run um he did a run before he died it was probably right before then um actually i want to say it was like the late 90s early 2000 somewhere around then he was real sick and they would have to carry him to the stage and it would take like five minutes for him to get to the stage so that he introduced him and the comic would get out of the way and then Chewy and Marilyn Martinez's husband would help him walk to the stage.

[144] They would hold on to him, take him to the stage.

[145] It would take forever.

[146] It was a slow process, and they'd get him, and they'd sit them down, and they'd crank up the mic like this.

[147] Because his voice was so soft then.

[148] And he would do stand -up.

[149] Do like 15, 20 minutes, and then I would go on after almost every time.

[150] It would be me. And just eat.

[151] shit oh just eat shit because first of all first of all no one knew who I was the second of all they just saw Richard Pryor and they're sad because he's fading away right in front of everybody yeah it's an interesting feeling like you never before is like a British type intermission been needed more a British type of admission you know like where it's just like all right Richard Pryor's gone and you know 15 minutes people go smoke cigarettes come back What year did you start doing stand -up?

[152] 2008.

[153] Yeah, so you missed it.

[154] Did you go to the clubs at all before then to look around?

[155] No. Well, two nights before my first time.

[156] Two nights before your first time?

[157] Yeah, two nights before my first time, I went to the comedy store.

[158] Wow.

[159] Yeah.

[160] My first day in L .A., I saw the whole show 9 to 2 a .m. Wow.

[161] You sat through the whole show.

[162] show did the open mic that Sunday.

[163] Whoa.

[164] That's an experience, man. The people that do that, man, that's like running an ultra marathon.

[165] Like sitting through 9 a .m. to 2.

[166] It's interesting.

[167] I can watch it, you know, I can consume like a high volume of it in a lot of cases.

[168] Like, you know, I'm, I've always been interested in like whatever people are talking about, you know, like, and it was just an interesting sampler.

[169] Like, all right.

[170] What's fascinating about the story is the 15 -minute blocks that you're seeing these completely different viewpoints, 15 -minute chunks.

[171] You know, it's just like if you sit there for long enough, you sit there for like a couple of hours and you watch that many different people, you watch eight different people go up, it's like, it's very weird.

[172] Yeah, it's, it, the strength of it, I think, for like what stand -up is, especially like right now, what it helps is it allows you to think of yourself in context.

[173] and that's that's more important now than ever, especially with stand -up.

[174] If you're on and you're competing against the 3 ,000 other specials that came out this way, it's in context of, you know, kind of mass consumption.

[175] So if you're going up, you know, in the middle of a marathon show, you're going up in the OR, in the middle of a show, and they saw eight comics before you, they'll see nine after you or whatever.

[176] Right.

[177] You have to, like, kind of sketch a place in their minds in context of everything else that they saw that night.

[178] It's really important.

[179] So are you going like, are you going like, okay, so what happened they say?

[180] Well, no, you can't do that because then you can only be yourself.

[181] It forces you.

[182] It's not saying, like, you know, it's not saying change who you are.

[183] I think it makes a more dynamic version.

[184] version of who you are like because you have to be memorable in the in context of all of these people and these different styles also you know I think what you do because you're whatever you make and you release into the world you are also releasing in the context of other art that people are consuming right so like even if you release your stand -up album you know a lot of times people buy stand -up albums buy stand -up albums you know and like so they listen to you in context of the other stand -up albums that you have.

[185] Like, it's a strong comparison culture stand -up has, right?

[186] Like hip -hop, where it's always in relation, it's not, this is my favorite rapper, is this rapper is better than that rapper.

[187] Right, right, right, you know, and comedians and consumers of it, you know, it's a lot of association.

[188] So it's like, you know, it should force you to be you, specifically you.

[189] That's needed more than ever before.

[190] Right.

[191] You know, like, like, need to be yourself completely or if you're a character that character needs to be hammered the fuck down yeah and who you are changes depending upon your environment that's one of the things about the store like since i've come back to the store it's tightened me up it's made me better coming back to the store because it's like being in that environment being in that pressure cooker around all these other creative people and everybody's constantly getting after it yeah no it's great.

[192] It's a really good kind of artist colony.

[193] At his best, it can operate like that where you can just kind of run around.

[194] On his best, like, I remember nights when we would run in between rooms even before getting spots just to go see each room, you know, each room, different comedians.

[195] You just kind of absorb it and watch it and get excited about it.

[196] Yeah, you could do three different sets in that place and have three different universes.

[197] Like you're in the belly room, then you're in the main room, then you're in the OR.

[198] That's three different worlds.

[199] They really are.

[200] Yeah, three completely different energies.

[201] It changes people, too.

[202] Like, that's one of the reasons why Kinnison became who he was, because he was doing those late -night spots.

[203] He was doing those same spots that, like, Holtzman gets, those late spots, and he just had to capture people's attention.

[204] So he'd just go out there screaming.

[205] I mean, they really...

[206] I mean, he, you know, speaking of existing in context of him, yeah, he is the, like, that is a style that's just completely created from frustration.

[207] Yeah.

[208] Other comedians create Sam Gennyson.

[209] Other comedians and ex -wives, you know?

[210] And ex -wives.

[211] I mean, he had, like, I mean, everybody had ex -wife jokes.

[212] You know, there was a lot of that, take my wife, please, you know, that kind of shit.

[213] There was a lot of wife jokes and ex -wife jokes, but Kinnison, what he did was just screaming.

[214] You know, it was just raw.

[215] And you looked at him, this is a little fat balding guy.

[216] And you're like, oh, yeah, he probably had a real rough time of it.

[217] Yeah, well, you just believe his hatred You believe it completely Remember that video he was watching Sam Kinnison It was like really late night And maybe it was like 1 o 'clock in the morning He was like Every comic just gets worse Yeah, every joke just gets worse Yeah, I remember that yeah Well he also came from a He was a preacher So he had this ability to just rant And rate and project and he knew the rhythm And he knew the fucking He had this thing that he would do That was very much like a revival tent like one of those tent preachers I remember watching him on a merit with children with my dad that's where I first song He was brilliant on there Didn't wasn't he on a show where he played like someone's conscience Herman's head Oh yeah Yeah him on the shoulder Damn Jamie how'd you pull that reference I used to watch that show Damn Herman's head Yeah yeah It's funny how you discover people Like you see him on merit with children And you're like he shot a wall What What?

[218] They fucking fixed the sign at the comedy store.

[219] I was so depressed when I came back.

[220] I'm like, you guys fixed the Kinnison hole?

[221] Why would you fix the bullet hole?

[222] He shot.

[223] Shot a hole through the fucking sign.

[224] In the parking lot, you know, that sign that's near the back walkway, the one that, you know, in the corner?

[225] Yeah, there's a bullet hole in the back of that thing.

[226] They fixed it.

[227] Oh, it's not there anymore?

[228] They fixed it.

[229] Oh, why did he do it?

[230] Because he's crazy.

[231] Oh.

[232] He had a gun.

[233] I think it was him and Dice were in some sort of a fight.

[234] He pulled out a gun and blam!

[235] He shot the sign.

[236] He tried to shoot Dice.

[237] I'm like, no. I think he just wanted Dice to know that he would shoot him.

[238] He's probably coked out of his mind.

[239] This is an ex preacher, by the way.

[240] That sounds like the story.

[241] It wasn't Herman said?

[242] No, it was not.

[243] That was on at the same time.

[244] The show was called Charlie Hoover.

[245] Really?

[246] Yeah.

[247] Wow.

[248] I remember him standing on a show.

[249] I remember the image of that.

[250] Yeah, he was like the devil.

[251] conscience type character, right?

[252] Is that what it was?

[253] Tim Matheson is the guy.

[254] Oh, wow.

[255] Look at that.

[256] And Tim Matheson's the guy from Animal House, right?

[257] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[258] I think while I confused it, Herman's head had four people in his head and there's four different actors.

[259] And this is similar or whatever.

[260] Man, they don't even do shit like this no more.

[261] Yeah, for good reason.

[262] There's a reason we're scrambling for the name.

[263] Look at they have him with Alex Jones Look look at those back to those images he just had Go back to the images Scroll down scroll down Look Alex Jones is in the middle of that That's not even Kinnison Wow That's Alex Wow That's just someone's comparison Kenison has a That was a great headshot Him screaming for him screaming No he was He's the guy that got me in a comedy Really in a lot of ways Cocaine, Sam Kinnison, Family Entertainment Hour.

[264] Yeah, he got me in the comedy because I thought comedians were, I thought it was like people who go on the Tonight Show and they had their sleeves rolled up and you ever notice?

[265] Here's a crazy thing, folks.

[266] I enjoyed watching that, but it never seemed like me. I couldn't see myself doing it.

[267] Oh, it's people got to stop doing that.

[268] They got to stop doing it.

[269] Like, why are you doing your Tonight Show set and your, you're.

[270] Colbert's not even They block It's so fucking Disrespectful They block shoot These things What do you mean?

[271] They'll do like 10 comedians at a time And he's not even there And they like throw to it As if You know like he's It's the rudest thing I've ever heard And the fact that comedians Still go on the show And would still do it Is insane of it Wow I didn't know that That's insane of it So how many they do it around I heard like 10 I could get the number wrong But he's not there It's not You know you're just doing like This show in front of this audience In the studio And he pretends to throw to you Yeah And he throws to you like you there And it's like this thing that's like He doesn't care No well It's again man like But it's on It's on us as much as it's like You know Of course they're going to do that They're going to do that They're going to do that to any You know Any genre of entertainment That would allow such a thing to happen They will do it to you But, you know, they're not going to do...

[272] Rihanna's doing a...

[273] These things are so contripped.

[274] Like, it's the same set.

[275] You come out in front of the same curtain.

[276] People put on the same outfit that they didn't wear yesterday and would never wear again tomorrow.

[277] And they come out and they pretend to be a comedian from 1993.

[278] And it's like, who the fuck are you?

[279] What are you fucking doing?

[280] For a set to get passed around to a couple of agents?

[281] that want to come see you that you, who cares?

[282] I was talking to Theo Vaughn about this.

[283] We were talking about like whether it's worth it being on one of those shows now.

[284] No, no. It's never worth it.

[285] It's never worth it capturing yourself not as yourself.

[286] Right.

[287] It's a waste of your time.

[288] Used to be worth something.

[289] This is why it's confusing because there was no venues before.

[290] So when Johnny Carson would have you on the Tonight Show?

[291] Yeah.

[292] Yeah.

[293] No. And that was, listen, it served its purpose.

[294] It was very.

[295] important at the time.

[296] It was an outlet where there weren't a lot of outlets.

[297] And now what the fuck are we doing?

[298] Especially unless it's like you know, with that said, you know, Kimmel built, he built like a club and has like the audience travel from the studio to the club and the comedians would do it there and it's like, oh, that's like an effort.

[299] You know what I mean?

[300] Like an effort to create like a space.

[301] Yeah, it was like a space, a separate studio that like you know, I believe they're still doing it.

[302] I don't know if I've seen like a Kimmel set.

[303] Wow.

[304] Sand up set recently, but there was like an effort.

[305] You know, I always really appreciated that about like Kimmel.

[306] Like, you know, at least trying, like, I don't know, just try.

[307] There are too many options for comedians to go through the same filter of capturing themselves in a way that's not authentic to them.

[308] So you're saying that if I go on Colbert, I should do it with my shirt off.

[309] If you want to have your shirt off, if that's a purpose, you know what I mean?

[310] Like, you should, you should do it like you would do a regular set in the belly room.

[311] Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm like, all right, cool.

[312] Well, I mean, because it's like, you know, if stand up is art, right?

[313] If it's, if it's art, if it's art, if it is an art form, then it's supposed to be, like, the medium is supposed to come to the artist.

[314] Unique to you.

[315] Not the other way around.

[316] Right.

[317] You know, because even on those same shows, you know, if you see a live music performance like the staging's different it's specific to the audience you know in the context of a show and a live production and you have this space they fill it in the way that makes sense to the artist yeah and then it's like stand up it's just like you could just go through a slideshow of just the exact same thing you know it's well I guess when a musical artist gets on Colbert one of those shows they're already kind of famous right they already have an album out and when a stand -up gets on those shows, they're trying to get seen.

[318] Like, maybe you don't have a special yet.

[319] Maybe you're just, you showcased, and they picked a few people.

[320] You've done any of it yet?

[321] I don't do any of those.

[322] A specific reason?

[323] Yeah.

[324] I remember one time, like, I was going to do Letterman while Letterman was on Letterman, and I remember sending a set in or whatever.

[325] and they respond like, okay, you know, we could do it but could he do his jokes in a more traditional set up punchline format and I remember just like email him back like I'll just do it when I'm famous when I'm just not gonna listen to this bullshit note people, they change that's the other thing they change it again compare yourself to a musician imagine you're a musician going on and they're like we like this song but could the bridge come first and then you do the you would be like go fuck yourself right you know what I mean like comedians allow like you can't say Pop -Tart if you say Pop -Tart we're gonna get too exactly comedians allow a lot of shit say pastry can you say pastry like but that doesn't make any sense well we're just trying to hit the road you right toaster strudel is a sponsor what was just trying to hit the road you man no I get it I wouldn't do it even back in the day it didn't make any sense to me. They would go, you should put together a five minute set for the tonight show and I'd be like I don't want to do it.

[326] And they're like, you should do it.

[327] Like, it's good exposure.

[328] This is like the fucking 90s, right?

[329] When it actually probably meant something I was like, I don't, I don't see it happening.

[330] I'm not doing it.

[331] It's not stand -up.

[332] You're taking a little piece of a stand -up.

[333] A short set is 15 minutes.

[334] And in 15 minutes, I might cover two concepts.

[335] You know?

[336] Because I need time.

[337] I go over things.

[338] Like, I get thorough.

[339] If I'm talking about a subject, I get involved in that subject.

[340] I want to bring people on a journey.

[341] And I also want to be able to set them up.

[342] I want to be able to explain how I think about things so that by the time I get to something controversial, they already have a sense of how I approach things.

[343] You can't do that in five minutes.

[344] In five minutes, you just got to just get into it.

[345] Yeah.

[346] And it's a very condensed, homogenized version of who you really are.

[347] man just do a just do a late -night spot with a five -minute setup then leave just a setup yeah just a setup and shake yeah i remember i saw louis do one louis k did one of those letterman or tonight show or something like that and i was like god he shouldn't even do this because it's it's not it's such a not a good representation of what he's capable of well some people are like jerry seinfeld should do yeah that he should absolutely do that.

[348] Yeah, he could do it.

[349] And he does, I love Jerry's, like, Tonight Show sets.

[350] Yeah.

[351] And his, like, what, like, his makes sense.

[352] Yeah, it makes sense.

[353] It makes sense.

[354] It's, like, perfect for it, and it's, like, it translates very, very well.

[355] Well, when I watch those shows today, I'm like, why are they still a thing?

[356] When I see a late night show, and no disrespect to anybody who hosts a late night show, but to me, it's like they took a boat and tried to turn into a plane.

[357] They're like, hey, it's in 2018, but let's pretend it's not.

[358] Yeah.

[359] You know, we'll be right back with a commercial.

[360] Hey, we're going to have commercials.

[361] We're going to shove commercials and things.

[362] But today everybody watches HBO and Netflix.

[363] Like, what am I doing here sitting through a fucking commercial?

[364] I get, I'm, it may be weird.

[365] Like, because I actually, I enjoy advertising.

[366] Do you do?

[367] Yeah, yeah, like a lot.

[368] I'll stare at, like, like, like.

[369] billboards, I watch commercials, I watch like all because I do think it, it speaks to what like America thinks we are as a culture.

[370] You know what I mean?

[371] It speaks to what they think is appealing and what they think is going to work.

[372] And so in a sense it's like, like in a way, in the same sense, like you can gauge a lot from a person by the types of questions they ask you.

[373] You know, you engage a lot from like even a climate by the type of commercials, what they feel is, because they're trying to appeal to everybody.

[374] So this is what they're saying.

[375] This is what we think everybody is thinking right now.

[376] You know, or how everyone feels or what they want.

[377] But I love, like, I'll watch it.

[378] And even like the Tonight Show and those, um, these things, I mean, look, you know, anything in function at its best is fun.

[379] It's just you know, where it hits a wall and it's what we're saying about comedy and what we're saying about a lot of things.

[380] when a thing tries to be something that it's not.

[381] You know, when it feels like these late night shows when they're just doing fun things that they think are fun and interesting, I love, you know, Kimmel always every year does like the parents that tell the kids that know Halloween, that they ate all the Halloween candy and the kids' reactions and stuff like, I eat that stuff up.

[382] I love that.

[383] You know what I mean?

[384] No, those sketches are fun.

[385] But, like, when it, you know, when shows pretend to be, you know, 1989 it's just like when comedians pretend to be of a different era pretend to it just feels false and I think that's where you check out yeah it's just unnecessary at this point you know because of the internet you you just have too many other venues yeah it's a lot of options yeah a lot of options yeah and the vent like watching things in the internet is so much more satisfying it's like watching a comic on a podcast you're gonna get a chance to see who the fuck they really are instead of some weird set in front of some audience that got shipped in from Burbank and they got applause signs and everything it's very surreal when you go to a live taping and you watch that it's really surreal oh it's very like and I'll sit I have like you know it's always I have like weird late night thing because I I'm bad at being like the you know celebrity type of thing like I'm just in it and just like looking at it and when the crowd is giving an unnatural reaction to things is just like what do you right you're too introspective you're not going to just dive into fakeness I'm like hey no but hey bro what are we doing for real what is this what is this like what do you is this rewarding for you applause side everybody applause what are we doing let's clap our way to the uncomfortable moment this is weird we'll be right back we'll be right back thank you we'll be right back that we'll be right back shit it's like what is that where you going you promise stay put can you just shove those commercials in later let's just keep rolling the fuck are we doing we'll be right back it's strange man the advertising model of shoving an ad in every 15 minutes to shoving a series of ads in Yeah.

[386] How the fuck did they ever do that?

[387] Like, how...

[388] Well, I mean, look, you know...

[389] It's weird.

[390] The unfortunate reality, or fortunate reality, I guess depends on, you know, what company you work for is, I mean, that's...

[391] It's an advertisers medium, right?

[392] And everything...

[393] They'll find a way to put the commercials...

[394] Even with the Internet, you know, like, YouTube becomes traditional television.

[395] Like, they all just...

[396] The Internet commercials are longer than the TV commercial.

[397] Maybe two minutes.

[398] You can skip them.

[399] Do you get two -minute ones now?

[400] Don't think I like, don't think I like a minute, two -minute, like, oh, I see minute ones.

[401] You know.

[402] I get excited when I see a 15 -second one.

[403] It's like, oh, man, so we're going to.

[404] I'll just sit here.

[405] You're going to sit through Ron Howard's Masterclass again, huh?

[406] But even sometimes you'd be like, damn, this is too long, even if it's 15 seconds.

[407] Yeah, you'll mute it.

[408] Yeah, sometimes I'm looking up commercials and I hate having to watch a commercial to watch a commercial.

[409] Or like some type of, you know what I mean?

[410] Like some type of, or like a trailer to something.

[411] I'm like, oh, I know.

[412] Now I have to sit through this trailer to watch the trailer that I'm telling.

[413] It is true that a commercial does kind of show you what they think the culture is about right now.

[414] Yeah.

[415] Yeah.

[416] What they think people are interested in right now.

[417] Yeah.

[418] Like what a real manipulative, mainstream version of what the average American is.

[419] They think we're depressed, too.

[420] Well, a lot of people are.

[421] You're not depressed?

[422] No, I'm good.

[423] Handsome bastard.

[424] A beautiful body going on stage shirtless.

[425] You know, but some people are, you know, a lot of people are.

[426] Like, what percentage do you think, I mean, is probably more than 20 % of Americans are depressed?

[427] Yeah?

[428] Let's just take a guess.

[429] Or maybe some version.

[430] Let's see what a recent poll shows.

[431] It's not going to give us a real good idea, but I'll say 20%.

[432] 20 % of Americans suffer from depression.

[433] What do you think?

[434] A form of depression.

[435] Are we saying specifically depression?

[436] Are we saying, like, mental.

[437] Not illness.

[438] Yeah, because.

[439] depression.

[440] How do you define?

[441] Yeah.

[442] Because I'm just saying it's, the reason it's hard to quantify is because it's like it also is a thing that comes in phases or post event, like specific, like depression.

[443] You know what I mean?

[444] That's why I'm just wondering how we're.

[445] And I can't believe it's not as easy as man, get over that shit.

[446] Like I can't believe it's not.

[447] But it's not.

[448] Yeah.

[449] Yeah, I mean, it's, that's how I get over shit.

[450] well like fuck it no but you know some people yeah exactly like it's hard to like it's like wow you got a cancer get over it like man come on all that oh you mean you mean like specifically like event based like if something has happened that sparks like sadness I don't think so I forget that there's more than one reason to be depressed though too like oh 6 .7 % 16 % 16 2 .2 million adults in the United States, equaling 6 .7 % of all adults in the country have experienced a major depressive episode in the last year.

[451] 10 .3 million U .S. adults experienced an episode that resulted in severe impairment in the last year.

[452] Wow.

[453] 50 % of all people diagnosed with depression are also diagnosed with an anxiety disorder.

[454] It's estimated that 15 % of the adult population will experience depression at some point in their lifetime.

[455] But what does that mean, though?

[456] Like if you dog dies, what's that You lose a job, girlfriend breaks up with you.

[457] Kind of, yeah, yeah, like, post -event.

[458] I mean, I went through, I remember going through, like, a real kind of dark period after losing a friend.

[459] Like, happened twice of just, like, and I'm very much so.

[460] I get the Jamar mentality of just like, I don't know, niggas just get over that shit.

[461] But is that sadness or is that depression?

[462] Right?

[463] Yeah, that's a good question.

[464] Yeah, I don't know clinically, like, where the line is.

[465] As humans, like, isn't it just highs and lows?

[466] Highs and lows.

[467] Deal with this.

[468] Don't deal with, you know, deal with that.

[469] Deal with that.

[470] It's not, it's like that.

[471] It's high as and lows, but it's just your expectation of what the next phase is, like, your expectation.

[472] Like, it's all.

[473] There's also legitimate issues that people have, like, with mental problems, their brain doesn't produce enough hormones.

[474] There's, there's people that have legit serotonin and dopamine issues.

[475] Jamar just, I'm so ignorant.

[476] Jamarj is on a suicide hotline.

[477] Like, look, nigger.

[478] Get over.

[479] Get over that shit.

[480] Niggins get some ice cream.

[481] Go outside.

[482] Don't you have friends?

[483] This son is out, though.

[484] Oh, you don't have friends.

[485] Oh, your friend fucked your wife.

[486] Oh, they committed suicide, too?

[487] Oh, and your friend was also your boss.

[488] Now you're fired and you don't got a wife.

[489] Okay.

[490] And your dog's gone.

[491] Where's your dog?

[492] Oh, your friend took your dog.

[493] This would be my favorite episode of Frasier.

[494] yeah um some people have it rough man some people's you know some like some people have leukemia some people have genetic disorders some people's brains don't work right and for whatever reason whether it's nature or nurture there's something going on that's real bad and they're just they're in a hole already described it really well he did a podcast recently with me and he talked about he went through a serious depression episode where he was suicidal and he his brain was just the way he described it was like it was broken and I had to get it fixed and he started off on medication then weaned himself off on medication but when he was on the medication it's also when his career took off and when his career took off I mean it alleviated a lot of the the what a lot of his issues were was also just like an unfulfilled life frustration expectation unrealized and then on top of that compounded there was like legit mental issues yeah that were bothering him I I I guess I was just unclear on, like, what depression actually is.

[495] Like, I'm like, because now as you say that stuff, I'm like, hmm, maybe I have felt that.

[496] Well, everybody feels highs and lows.

[497] You're right about that.

[498] You're for sure right about that.

[499] But you also exercise a lot, and I think that probably helps.

[500] Yeah, I'm, yeah, just souping myself up in my head and shit.

[501] Well, no, exercising just releases a lot of the bullshit that people carry around.

[502] A lot of the, what makes people feel terrible is that their body is, is fighting against their brain.

[503] Their body holds in so much tension and they're so fucked up and they never get an endorphin release and their body's like an overflowing battery like oozing out of the sides.

[504] You know, and I always like people don't meditate.

[505] Like that don't work for people.

[506] Like that shit works.

[507] That shit kills it for me. How often you meditate?

[508] Shit, like every day.

[509] How much time?

[510] 20 minutes.

[511] Oh, that's good, man. Look, that is a beautiful, thing.

[512] If you could force that into your schedule and make sure that that's a part of your life.

[513] I got it from Seinfeld and Oprah now.

[514] Like, TM?

[515] Do you do TM?

[516] Yeah.

[517] Yeah, no. It's, I mean, doesn't it activate something that all humans have, which is like, so we're supposed to kind of do that, though.

[518] Well, it allows you reflection and also what I think it does, one of the real good things that meditation does is it stops momentum.

[519] Because there's like a momentum of shitty thoughts and bad ideas and bad decisions and just anxiety and all these.

[520] the issues that could fucking just accumulate inside your consciousness and they never when unaddressed they continue to like push at you from the back and it's like you're just constantly in the state of momentum of all the bullshit that's going on but if you have a time for real reflection and just pause even if you're just concentrating only on your breath one it seems to stop that momentum and give you a chance at like a renewed perspective yeah that's great remember the time i had a spiritual awakening in your house yeah His spiritual awakening His house What happened?

[521] What was it about?

[522] Just hit him one day I was watching I was watching like a sign -filled interview or something He was like yeah I'd do it twice a day And something I was like man let me see So I went down I used to live with him So I went downstairs In my room And I meditated And I came back upstairs And I was like He was sitting on the couch And I was like I was like Dari Niggie I just had an awakening He was like What happened And I was like I don't know man But the first The first message I got was You can't save the world But you can help He was like Okay And I was like Alright I'm gonna go back down to my room Yeah So when you do it What's your process Like what is How exactly do you practice TM?

[523] I sit there Cross my legs In through the nose out the mouth, into the nose out the mouth until you get into the state.

[524] Jamar also, though, has the ability to completely clear his mind.

[525] Like, he's one of those people that, it takes me anywhere from 20 minutes to like an hour to fall asleep, you know, like, even if tired, it's still like, all right, there's a more.

[526] Jamar could immediately, like, immediately just like, all right, being awake is over, all right and then just fall asleep like instantaneously he can clear his head really quickly and like like focus on one thing you got a high level of i don't give a fuck yeah it's a very high level i think i'm numb drunk yeah no you are you are so congrats bro so you go in through the nose out through the mouth and what are you thinking when you're doing that uh nothing nothing just are you thinking about the breathing.

[527] Well, I think about nothing and then if I have a task or something, like if I'd be like, you could do affirmations, you know, like, hey, man, I want to, I want to be great on stage tonight.

[528] Or I want to, or I want to get this writing done.

[529] Or I want to, you know what I'm saying?

[530] Or you can hype yourself up and shit like that.

[531] Like, it, it, it, um, your intention, it's just that, whatever intention is, it's just that, whatever intention that you want to do, you know what I'm saying, you set that, hey, I want to, you know, whatever the fuck.

[532] And then it'll be easier to complete that task.

[533] For me, I have ADD.

[534] I'm bad at focusing on things, but that really helps me focus.

[535] You have ADD, but you don't have a problem meditating.

[536] Yeah, because it's the lazy.

[537] I'm really going to be in lazy, and it's kind of lazy to, like, meditating is kind of, like, it's all you got to sit there.

[538] It's a chill thing.

[539] You like chill.

[540] Do you not moving?

[541] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[542] and just sit there and fucking zone out and shit like if you like mushrooms and all that shit you know what I'm saying this shit is perfect for you like it's getting high off your own DMT that's what it is it's just your own DMT the spirit molecule all that shit I don't know if it's that you're not tripping right it is it's it's it's kind of you ever do it right no I've gone through phases where I've like tried meditation I shower for an hour 15 minutes so that's kind of you kind of zen already though Just kind of walk around and think.

[543] Yeah, yeah, I kind of, you know, I don't know.

[544] I've tried it, but it's not really much.

[545] Oh, but you work out, though, and it's, you know those endorphins that you can just do that.

[546] You can also do that by just sit in there and just breathe and, you know, focusing on the breath.

[547] And then all of a sudden your mind starts going into an altered state and then you'll start.

[548] Yeah, I meditate.

[549] I just don't meditate every day.

[550] But I definitely feel it.

[551] I think exercise does that, especially.

[552] cardio and especially yoga, something about yoga classes that just forces you into this state of mind where you just, you're only concentrating on the movements that you're supposed to do.

[553] So if you could clear your head and stay focused on the movements and not delve into, you know, your bank account or your fucking credit card debt or what's wrong with your car or what other bullshit you have bouncing around your head, if you could just take the time to concentrate only on the yoga, it has this like cleansing effect.

[554] it really make you be like hey man fuck that shit yeah fuck that shit most things are not worth freaking out about most the vast majority a good question I remember reading is just ask yourself what problems do I have right now but genuinely like problems and the answer may not always be zero but it's usually surprisingly small when you think about like the immediate you know not the you know the basic level of Maslow's hierarchy.

[555] You know, like, if that's taking care of, usually it's like, oh, I don't, you know, there are things that are ongoing things to figure out, but like, things that you could define as, like, a problem.

[556] And then just kind of staying in that space.

[557] Like, you know.

[558] Like, a real issue.

[559] Like, what's a real issue?

[560] Well, where there's, like, immediacy, like, you know.

[561] And when, when there are real problems, you know, a lot of times you, you, you handle it well like instinctually the things like a lot of times people get calm in like those intense situations like you know like they can handle like real problems it's the anticipation of problems and the anticipation of solutions that that's what drives you crazy that's a very good point yeah that's a very good point yeah a lot of times real problems they also sort of enlighten you to the fact that most of the time your problems are bullshit you know you break your leg you're oh Oh, this is real.

[562] Yeah, that's an immediate, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[563] Yeah.

[564] And so just staying in the space of like, you know, all right, I can, you're in a control center.

[565] You got, you know.

[566] You know what else, what helps me is, like, because yoga's hard to do, doing things that are difficult to do, make things easier.

[567] Make other things easier.

[568] Working out, hard workouts make other things easier.

[569] Yeah.

[570] Running hills, kickboxing, anything that's brutal.

[571] It gives context to everything.

[572] Growing up in the hood makes Hollywood interactions easy.

[573] Yes, there you go.

[574] You know what I mean?

[575] It gives context to everything else you're doing.

[576] Yeah.

[577] What is the struggle?

[578] Yeah.

[579] It's like, well, it's like, you know, so by the time you get on stage, you're like, well, my body thought it was going to die this morning.

[580] Yeah.

[581] And it didn't.

[582] Yeah.

[583] So this is fine.

[584] Yeah.

[585] And now this tag doesn't work.

[586] Do you guys know very many people who do Jiu -Jitsu?

[587] No, and by very many, I mean, you?

[588] Yeah, the most chill people ever, because they're getting choked all the time.

[589] They're fighting for their life every day, so they're so mellow.

[590] They used to train killers trying to break their arms.

[591] If the experience is not that, then we're cool.

[592] Then it's like, whatever, man. I'm not worried about it that much.

[593] yeah we you know the world's pretty soft right now it's it's easy to get upset about nonsense if nonsense is the only thing that you have that's a difficulty in your life well it's that and it's perspective the reward for complaints um it's like a culture that's where we are rewarded for publicly you know yeah for having a public complaint what you mean um well rewarded in a sense of like you know you can get attention for you can get attention for like but I'm just saying by publicly airing you know a grievance about a project and I'm speaking especially specifically about how we respond to content is just like like by publicly saying this you can speak to your respective group and you have an immediate reward for it so it's like you know it's like I don't even know if we're more sensitive we're just more outspoken about you know things well people are definitely more outraged they're looking to get outraged that's a really common thing now that just didn't exist a few decades ago I don't even think it's I don't even think it's outrage you know what I mean like I really don't think it's outrage as much as it because outrage we've seen what outrage looks like at the when at the peak of like the Black Lives Matter movement were people at a course black people outraged Yeah, but that's what I'm saying, but that's what outrage is.

[594] And I don't want to confuse that with, like, you know, recreational outrage.

[595] Recreational outrage, right?

[596] And it's really important to draw that distinction, right?

[597] And so it's like, it's, again, people are vocal about things.

[598] Some issues real.

[599] A lot of things we start getting upset about, they're like certain, we get upset about certain cultural appropriation things of the week because it's a sushi restaurant on a college campus.

[600] Right.

[601] You know what I mean?

[602] Like we get caught up in those things, but and not focus on, you know, like, I don't know, it's like real outrage is the thing that corporations are afraid of isn't outrage.

[603] It's trending.

[604] You don't want to trend negatively for like whatever period of time.

[605] When when people are upset with you and that you've done something genuinely wrong, they'll show it beyond, it will extend beyond that.

[606] If it makes sense.

[607] Yeah, I think that a lot of what outrage is is like comedian trying out jokes You know, you try out jokes and 30 % of them are just straight bullshit They still fucking work, man. You try them, they stumble out, you gave it a shot, or you'll ad lib something in the moment on stage, and even after you say, like, what the fuck did I just say?

[608] I think there's some of that that people are trying to call, like I was reading this article the other day about some woman who's saying that yoga is supporting white supremacy.

[609] Because yoga is it was the dumbest shit ever, some Indian lady.

[610] She was saying the cultural appropriation of yoga by white people is supporting white supremacy.

[611] And it was, you know, it's really funny.

[612] What are we doing?

[613] Exactly.

[614] What the fuck are we doing?

[615] But that's what she did is she tried a bad joke.

[616] You know, she's a, she works on a, she's a professor.

[617] Some bullshit college where they're just, just drowning in liberal arts.

[618] And she just figured out a way to say something.

[619] outrageous that she thought made sense in her own weird bubble but this got published in a newspaper and then the whole world went just collectively what the fuck are you talking about yeah but that's what it's like it's like you or i trying a bit late night at the store you do it you just just riff something and it just goes into a corner and just gets stuck like one of them rumba vacuum cleaner things just bouncing off the while like this is not working I've got to bail out of this.

[620] Yeah.

[621] No, it's funny because it is like, yeah, people's...

[622] It's just making me think about it.

[623] It's a creative...

[624] She's like, she tried to make outrage where it didn't exist.

[625] And sometimes it catches, right?

[626] Like hoop earrings.

[627] White girls can't wear hoop earrings anymore.

[628] White girls are scared to wear hooping hearings because they're getting called out for cultural appropriation by, which is hilarious, by Latina chicks.

[629] This is particularly Latina chicks are saying, And it's just all social justice warrior bullshit.

[630] But what's really funny is, so I had to, because I'm an asshole, I had to Google it.

[631] Well, who the fuck invented earrings?

[632] The Samarians.

[633] The oldest version of hoop earrings is from 2 ,500 BC from Iraq.

[634] So Iraqis are the only ones who really can claim cultural appropriation on people wearing hoop earrings.

[635] Not Mexicans.

[636] So Mexicans, settle down.

[637] Leave those white girls alone because you stole it too.

[638] I thought that was black girls.

[639] it's everybody's shit it's like who invented pants your culture appropriating you're wearing pants who invented pants you're on a Korean phone bitching about people doing the fuck are you talking about man the internet goes deep it's crazy people losing their mind they're looking for things to get outraged at and so they're trying jokes they're taking swings you know they're trying they're throwing pitches out there you know they're spitballing well I mean and eventually if it's like if you you're going to run out of ways to approach it.

[640] You know what I mean?

[641] Like you run out of places to stab the thing.

[642] Well, they try some that don't stick, or some stick for like a couple days.

[643] Like you remember bossy?

[644] They were trying to say you can't say bossy.

[645] No, why, why?

[646] You can't call girls bossy.

[647] It's sexist.

[648] Carl girls bossy.

[649] Don't call them bossy.

[650] It's sexy.

[651] There was a thing where they were trying to stop the use of the word or the phrase bossy.

[652] They were saying bossy sexist.

[653] Yeah.

[654] But like, yeah.

[655] Can I ask a question?

[656] Where did a, when did a, when did a, when did a, when did a, when did it become a bad word?

[657] It depends on who's house.

[658] Like, what is?

[659] You're in England, man. They don't give a fuck.

[660] Is that Australia, they love it.

[661] I don't think I heard the, heard it used until like, I mean, nobody, I didn't grow up around it.

[662] I didn't hear people saying it.

[663] So I don't think I heard it used until like, I mean, I was probably 18.

[664] That sounds like a Hollywood bad word.

[665] Yeah, it seemed like a Hollywood bad word, yeah.

[666] Yeah.

[667] No, it's a word that when you used it, you fucking really were angry.

[668] Yeah.

[669] It's just, I don't know where it came from.

[670] It's like the new bitch.

[671] It's not new.

[672] I mean, it was around a long.

[673] It's been around since I was in high school.

[674] But you called someone a cunt in high school.

[675] Man, you were ready to fight her brother.

[676] Oh, wow.

[677] Shit would get deep.

[678] You couldn't say cunt.

[679] You could say bitch.

[680] You're a fucking bitch.

[681] Fuck you, you're a loser.

[682] You know, like, you're a cunt.

[683] Oh.

[684] Like, they would wilts.

[685] They'd be like, what the fuck did you just say?

[686] Ask, yeah, I didn't hear it a lot at all.

[687] And I could ever imagine myself casually calling somebody a cunt.

[688] But if you lived in England, you could.

[689] Or especially you lived in Australia, they call someone a good cunt.

[690] Hey, he's a good cunt.

[691] Oh, so it's a nice word.

[692] Yeah, he's like, he's a good dude.

[693] He's a good cunt.

[694] Like people have, my friend Israel, Adesania, stylebender.

[695] wears a shirt that says good cunt and he just wanders around he's from new zealand they don't people they think it's funny people get upset about it he's a savage you better be careful get upset with him he's he's a UFC fighter oh okay all right yeah he's uh I mean he's he's from another country it means a different thing in New Zealand if you say in New Zealand it's uh it's like I mean what's the equivalent What would be equivalent of cunt the way they say it?

[696] Good dude.

[697] He's a good fucker.

[698] He's a cool motherfucker.

[699] He's a good cunt.

[700] Were you asking because it's like a...

[701] They're a style bender.

[702] He wears that everywhere.

[703] No one says shit.

[704] Yeah.

[705] But they sell those shirts.

[706] Good cunt.

[707] I don't know.

[708] Why would you ask you?

[709] Fug censorship.

[710] Hashtag fuck censorship.

[711] Hashtag make cunt great again.

[712] This is going off of it.

[713] Well, I was going to say, is it that just like people's reaction to it just kind of bothers you?

[714] Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, it's a terrible bad, a terrible bad word, like, that word sucks.

[715] Like, you know, it's no motherfucker.

[716] You don't like it?

[717] It's more fun to say, you know, rhythmically.

[718] It's just trash.

[719] It's like, kind.

[720] But I was going off of what we were talking earlier.

[721] Interesting.

[722] Shit, trash.

[723] I don't know.

[724] If you went to Australia, though, they would say it so many times it would just slip in because this gets normal yeah I guess yeah it is just it's this one syllable like it means dude over there sometimes like and this fucking cunt he goes over there and they'll start talking about it like this fucking dude they'll literally say it in the same way you would say this fucking guy yeah it's just a different thing I mean look they're all just sounds that convey expression the real problem is when you demonize one you say you know you can't say the C word anymore don't say the C word well yeah I mean again it's just like I just want us to have like adult arguments yeah right well it's hard to have adult arguments even forbidden words well yeah well because that's like the the shit that your sister got mad at you about growing up right you called me that you know what I mean it is kind of like that's the thing it's I mean you was saying intention earlier, but I mean, it's always like intention, like what do you mean by I get in like these types of my mom Southern Christian woman in any curse word that I say Any curse word is very She doesn't she doesn't like it And I curse around all the time I always do just because We get into the argument while simultaneously respecting You know her views And beliefs it's also like You know These cuss words redid your fucking kitchen lady no but I just wanted it like no I love her I love watching her like react to it like it's fun yeah yeah yeah because just like oh this through the filter of you like really you know see I grew up non -suppressed my parents were hippies and they didn't give a shit what we said we just do I couldn't really say it at school but you know there was no like language restrictions in my house.

[725] I'd be allowed to say anything.

[726] That's great.

[727] It was weird.

[728] That's great.

[729] My friends would come over the house.

[730] Did you just say fuck in front of your mom?

[731] I'm like, yeah, fuck it.

[732] I used to, you were, I, did you go up around people that, like, used to just talk shit back to their mom?

[733] I never did that.

[734] No, it was fun to why.

[735] I had a friend, my friend Alex, it's still one of my favorite moments of life.

[736] It was just like, I came to this house after school.

[737] And his mom's name is Patricia.

[738] And she was just like, Al, take out the garbage.

[739] He was like, go to hell, Pat.

[740] That's his response.

[741] It calls his mom, Pat.

[742] Yeah, he called his mom Pat.

[743] And it just, I, like, my mind was blown.

[744] Just so, like, he told his mom to go to hell.

[745] It was, like, amazing.

[746] And she just argued back.

[747] Like, it was like, yeah, that was so.

[748] Single mom or was a dad around?

[749] He knew his dad around.

[750] He lives separately.

[751] Yeah, yeah.

[752] But it was always.

[753] So it's a different deal.

[754] Amazing.

[755] It was amazing.

[756] That's a struggle to who's the man. When did you start cussing around your mom?

[757] Tuesday.

[758] Yeah, there's been a few hours.

[759] No, I probably started, I mean, I moved out when I was a teenage.

[760] So I probably, I mean, she's hurt me to say it kind of throughout, but just, like, not stopping it in conversation.

[761] It's been years.

[762] I mean, I just always just kind of flow.

[763] I'm low -key still afraid to cussing from my mom.

[764] Yeah, no, I do.

[765] I cussing for my mom.

[766] in front of my niece and nephew.

[767] How old are they?

[768] I have an 11 -year -old niece, a 9 -year -old nephew, a couple two -year -old twins, a 3 -year -old niece.

[769] Like, just, and I am myself and speak exactly how I normally speak around the...

[770] You're an adult longer than you're a kid.

[771] Right.

[772] You know, and so it's just like, why am I going to pretend the world sounds different?

[773] Look, I'm with you.

[774] but and for like whose kids are they your brothers or your sisters yeah my brother your brother and sister -in -law everybody cool with that or do they get upset I mean they go like oh come on sometimes but it's also they get it my brother they're very understanding while they get it they get that it's just like it's how people talk in the real world yeah yeah yeah I mean I think that's important again like you don't want to that's the thing man just like that's how you know you fucked up if you're at a job job where not only can you not swear but you can't swear off job with the people you work with or they'll tell or they'll get yeah you can get trouble yeah if there's certain jobs where people have where they got off work and they went out with some co -workers and they told a dirty joke or started talking shit like that'll get back to human resources and they'll be fired bosses are now following their employees online and shit like twitter you see that girl that got fired from NASA, fucking hilarious.

[775] She got fired from NASA yesterday.

[776] She's like, holy fuck, I got a job at NASA.

[777] And some guy tweeted her.

[778] He said, language.

[779] And she said, suck my dick and balls.

[780] I work at NASA.

[781] And he said, yeah.

[782] And I am, you know, one of the people that oversees something at NASA.

[783] And then that was it.

[784] She was about to be an astronaut.

[785] Well, she was about to be an intern working at NASA.

[786] And she was, like, here it is.

[787] Everyone shut the fuck up.

[788] I got accepted for a NASA.

[789] And look, he writes language.

[790] She says, suck my dick and balls.

[791] I'm working at NASA.

[792] And he says that I'm on the National Space Council that oversees NASA.

[793] That's hilarious.

[794] Oh, how dear.

[795] Come on, that's funny.

[796] First of all, that shit is funny.

[797] Suck my dick and balls.

[798] And it's a girl.

[799] Second of all, we didn't even go to the fucking moon.

[800] You don't think we went to the moon.

[801] I saw you talking about that.

[802] Yeah, no. I don't, I, look, I, I could be convinced, you know.

[803] I was convinced that we didn't for a long time.

[804] Now I'm convinced I have no fucking idea.

[805] Yeah, I don't really, it's, I don't think we went to the moon.

[806] What makes you think that?

[807] Off of base, it's not rooted in science.

[808] How much, how much have you really paid attention to it?

[809] Because I went down the rabbit hole for many, many years.

[810] I go off kind of like, it's always like the social kind of where there's smoke, there's fire type clues of just like, you know, us being in a race and no countries come in second.

[811] You know, other space programs not catching up to what, 69?

[812] 1969 and 1972.

[813] American technology.

[814] You know what I mean?

[815] Like every time we went was under the Nixon administration.

[816] That's a good one.

[817] These types of little things that just make you go, not like a flat earther, but it's just like, did you ever watch the press conference when they returned from the moon?

[818] No. wait what's the clue what's the clue in there or what's the suspicious thing they look super depressed they look super deceptive they look fidgety yeah and uh they're they're they're talking weird and they're saying shit they refute later one of the things they said michael collins who's actually never he's supposed to be in he never landed on the surface of the moon buzz aldrin and neil armstrong did he stayed up in the orbiter and uh they were they're asking about stars and he said um i don't recall seeing any stars and then years later he wrote in his book about how magnificent stars looked there's a lot of that shit but the press conference itself if you want and this doesn't mean anything i'm not a cop but if i was a cop and i was interviewing them i'd be like these motherfuckers are guilty something is wrong here like they they seem like guilty people and you could look you could say hey man they were probably psychologically distressed they were probably dealing with the pressure of having come back from the moon and all this fame that they had never experienced their whole life.

[819] They're astronauts.

[820] They're scientists.

[821] And now all of a sudden they're standing in front of all these people and everyone's asking them questions and they feel super nervous.

[822] It's like, nah, these niggas was lying.

[823] Let me tell you, everybody, my favorite thing is when you, because I'll say it very casually, and people become like, you know, patriots and rocket scientists want to tell you, like, how we went.

[824] I'm like, you don't know either.

[825] All this wee shit is bullshit, because it wasn't you and it wasn't me. Yeah.

[826] Let's stop with that.

[827] Also, we probably lied about it, and we lie better than any other country on Earth, and I'm proud of that.

[828] There's a lot of weird shit with the video footage.

[829] There's a lot of footage where it looks like they're on wires, like dangling from wires, and they bounce back up from their feet in this weird way.

[830] It looks like they're being yanked up from the ground.

[831] There's a video where it looks like they're on trampolines.

[832] If you Google astronauts on trampolines, no, I'm not even kidding.

[833] kidding it just looks like they're i actually put it up it's a video that i found google astronauts on trampolines is a video on youtube and you're you're watching them bounce around you're like wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute you guys are on the fucking moon and you're hiding behind the lunar module like you can't see their feet you can't see how they're doing this but it looks like either they're bouncing on something or they're being yanked up in the air or it's one -sixth gravity and it just has it a weird effect on people well look at this watch this oh like how strange is this see look he just lands but doesn't I mean even the way he's moving it's like he's being dangled it's very strange you see him bouncing around but that also could just be all the stuff we did that we were like playing golf and bouncing around like the moon landing set was built by the people who made Discovery Zone but it also could be he just like slides he fell boom look he just fell he just jumped up and fell that's so strange but it also could be this is just what your body does at one six earth gravity you know there's a whole bunch yeah i don't know you know it i'm excited to see uh this one's weird someone else going back to the moon and then if it matches this is from a movie uh i forget what was the name of the movie was but you could watch some of the go they show some special effects they use in movies but watch some of the weird shit go a little bit further ahead of this yeah right there there's some of the weird stuff where you see these guys like fall down and then it looks like they just get yanked back up by wires it's very strange yeah I mean but the press conference is a strange yeah it's all it's the social aspect of it because it's like I won't begin to know like how the flag is supposed to look in the waving in the shadows and the thing that like a lot of people argue about I it's just the political and so it's like i kind of think i know when the government's lying about something you know what i mean like the history is there watch this watch this watch that guy stand back up watch this watch how he gets up like you've gotten yanked up oh there's a bunch of those there's a bunch of those that makes it look like they're on wires and they're being pulled back up to their feet very strange but again have you ever been in one six earth gravity i haven't no i don't know with that maybe maybe it just looks fake because when you're in one six earth gravity that's just how movement yeah do you think we never ever been life like up until this day my my conspiracy belief is specific to thinking that a man has walked around on the surface of the specific to that crashing you know lunar whatever that's all 100 % yeah of course it's specifically man moving did he get out and go like this yeah it's specifically that you don't think anybody's ever done this I don't think so no in life like Evan killed his thing I don't think I don't think I mean we're the only country that would have see if you can find the press conference some clips weird clips from the press conference because the press conference are tripping you out and see and see just like other you know countries who have the means to do it like their intention about going yeah play play some of this play some of this and go big screen Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins, Edwin Oliver.

[834] Look how sad these guys look.

[835] It's so weird.

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[842] They just went to the moon and they all looked like they just saw their dad naked.

[843] That's only part of it.

[844] They all are like a reliance.

[845] You tell them, Neil.

[846] And this is, yeah, it looks so fake.

[847] But again, that could be just extreme nerves.

[848] It could be people that don't know how to handle being in front of press.

[849] It could be introverts that are forced on the camera.

[850] Could be a lot of issues.

[851] If you went to the moon and then you came back and you were sitting at press conference, would you be at the like, what would your actions be?

[852] Would you be like, Or would you be, like, more light, like, certain way?

[853] It would be, it would look like a Lakers press conference after they won.

[854] You know, just I'd be like, lean back, I have my hat on.

[855] With some champagne.

[856] Just pointing to reporters.

[857] What's up?

[858] And why didn't they bring back like a rock or something?

[859] Oh, they did.

[860] They did.

[861] Sure, they brought back a lot.

[862] They brought back many rocks.

[863] But some of them turned out to be petrified wood.

[864] They gave one of them to the prime minister.

[865] Yeah, they gave a moon rock in 69 or 70 to, I think it's the prime minister of Holland, whoever it was, whatever the person who runs Holland?

[866] And years later, they analyzed it and it was petrified wood.

[867] It was not a moon rock.

[868] Wow.

[869] In fairness, in fairness, I do get the like, by the time we got to Holland, the gift basket's going to change.

[870] I'm not giving away the real moon.

[871] rocks to Holland like that like you know right England gets a real moon rock yeah France gets a man you get a little moon rock yeah but they get a little moon rock they get us a statue just go find some what you think about yeah yeah just like you got some fucking dudes rocks what you think about this mars mission look that's all real look rovers are real it's all the the technology is proven and legitimate and I don't think you could ever fake anything today yeah like you could fake things in 1969 if I think, if anything, for sure, what they did is it's been proven that they fake some footage, for sure, some photographs.

[872] You know NASA recorded over the original?

[873] Again, those little things, it's like you record it over the in a world where even the importance of syndication was known.

[874] I think they also lost the telemetry data, which is like the binary hard ones and zeros that show the distance between the Earth and lunar module at every step of the trip.

[875] They lost it?

[876] lost that shit.

[877] But, you know, then again, you got to realize, like, people die and people are responsible for storage, and no one's paying attention, and there's funding, and their funding gets pulled, and there's plausible reasons for some of the fuck -ups.

[878] I don't know.

[879] I mean, there are episodes of Blossom being guarded in a vault somewhere in Burbank.

[880] Episodes of Blossom, right, but you can get fucking money off of Blossom.

[881] You can't make any money off of these goddamn Moonland Eclipse.

[882] Look, there's some people that.

[883] that absolutely are convinced that we didn't go and I used to be one of them and I would love if they proved that it was fake.

[884] It would make me more happy than anything else in the world.

[885] You know what?

[886] Oh, it would make me very happy too.

[887] The thing that keeps me holding on and maybe we went is I toured NASA once and they were nice.

[888] Oh, that's probably it then.

[889] I was like, yeah, they were nice.

[890] But you got to realize those aren't the same people.

[891] You know, and people say like NASA lies.

[892] Okay.

[893] But those were NASA from 1969.

[894] These are different humans.

[895] Yeah.

[896] You know, we're talking about 48 fucking years ago these are completely different human beings they stand on the backs of liars yeah well there was stop inviting us to NASA so we can let us ask questions if you're gonna fucking lie what you say about the tour I'm like stop inviting us to NASA and allowing us to ask questions if you're going to lie I don't think they're lying I don't think they're involved if there was a conspiracy like say if they did fake the moon landing.

[897] No one today who's alive was a part of that.

[898] Yeah.

[899] Except Buzz Aldrin.

[900] He's the only one still alive.

[901] But, you know, he did something.

[902] Did he punch the dude in the face?

[903] Yeah, he punched some guy.

[904] What did he said?

[905] Bart Sebril.

[906] Bart Sebril made a move.

[907] I had dinner with him.

[908] Oh, with the guy he punched?

[909] Yeah.

[910] Yeah, dinner with him many years ago.

[911] And back when I was a full -blown moon non -believer.

[912] And, you know, I'm contacted him, got a hold of him, took him to dinner and uh i love that i like that i like that you use your celebrity for good because i love it's for good no but because that's like just like these real specific pockets of like people that you just want to talk to is like yeah well i wanted to sniff them out you know you could see someone doing interviews you could see someone in an edited format and you kind of get a sense of who they are you don't really get a sense of who they are until you actually talk to them yeah like you and him sharing a plate of pasta what was his what like what did he did he get a sense of give you anything that's like gives context to like that moment or like just like why did it he was convinced he was absolutely convinced that it was a hoax and he what he was convinced was that there was a space race between us and Russia and that it was uh it was essentially a militarized space race and what they were trying to do is prove military superiority if you had the the rockets that could get you to the moon your technology was superior yeah and the way he framed it is like the United States had control over what was aired.

[913] They put it on television and no one foresaw the future.

[914] No one foresaw that one foresaw that one foresaw that one saw that one would be looking at these clips on YouTube and analyzing them and putting them in slow -mo.

[915] They didn't even think that that was going to be a thing.

[916] They thought they were going to show it on television and that would be it.

[917] Yeah, and they were going to show it black and white and they were going to have it 3D projected so that you would project it on a screen and then people who were filming it would have to film the screen.

[918] Like they didn't even get a live feed.

[919] When it was airing on television, it was airing people filming the screen that it was being projected on.

[920] What?

[921] What?

[922] Yeah, yeah.

[923] They broke it down so it looked more and more grainy and fake.

[924] If you were trying to do something that was not done to the technology of the day that would possibly obscure some fraud, they did it all those ways.

[925] There's so many things that they did that you would go it's it's in when in terms of like conspiracies it's a conspiracy theorist wet dream because if it is a fake it's the biggest fake of all time and there's so many things that are squirrely about it there's so many things doesn't mean it's fake yeah but there's so many things has anybody been to the moon no no one's been to the moon since 1969 to 1972 those are the only trips they did seven attempts six of them successful Apollo 13 was the one that wasn't successful.

[926] That was that big movie.

[927] They landed on the moon and then came back seven times.

[928] 262 ,000 miles away.

[929] Now, here's where it gets crazy, or plus or minus, depending on where the moon's out.

[930] What's crazy is, 262 ,000 miles is pretty far.

[931] What's crazy is...

[932] Wait, no, no, no, no, my bad.

[933] I'm thinking about, oh, that's 3 -0.

[934] Because I was like, what map are you seeing?

[935] What's interesting is that no other human space mission, where a human's been a part of it, since then, has ever gone more than 400 miles from the Earth's surface.

[936] Is that where the space station is?

[937] All the space shuttle missions, everything.

[938] Everything is inside 400 miles.

[939] Wow.

[940] 400 miles.

[941] So the guy you had dinner with did what for Buzz Aldrin to sock him?

[942] He told Buzz Aldrin he was a liar.

[943] He said, you're a liar and a crook, and Buzz went, pach, pitch.

[944] Yeah.

[945] Popped him right in the job.

[946] Anything happened after, does anyone contact him after that?

[947] I mean, I'd imagine.

[948] I don't know.

[949] I don't know what he's doing these days.

[950] I think he's like Uber driver now.

[951] I mean, immediately after the punch.

[952] No, no, no. The guy Bart Cibro.

[953] But I mean, immediately after the punch, is there any type of, like...

[954] I think he tried to press charges and the cops told him to go fuck off.

[955] I think it was one of those things.

[956] It wasn't the best punch either.

[957] I mean, if you go to the hospital from that punch.

[958] Buzz was like in his 80s at the time.

[959] Damn.

[960] But he tried, he followed, he harassed a lot of those guys.

[961] He harassed a lot of the astronauts and tried to get him to swear on Bibles.

[962] He'd bring a Bible and say swear, swearing this Bible that you want on the moon.

[963] Yeah, I mean, it was, it was a lot of, just a lot of weird shit.

[964] There's another one that's a 25th anniversary of the Apollo Moon missions.

[965] He gives a speech at the White House in front of this group of honor roll students, like some of the best students in the country.

[966] and near armstrong gives this real weird fucking speech is like we have here amongst us you want to hear it find a near Armstrong's cryptic speech what makes it weird when you'll see it you'll get it it's just real it doesn't mean we didn't go to the moon it doesn't mean that by the way it's fucking weird it's really funny because I presented it as like yeah I don't think we went and and I didn't even have half of what you give it oh I'll give you way more watch this you're gonna watch this here This is from a funny thing happened on the way to the moon, Bart Ciebrile's movie.

[967] But this is a real thing that happened.

[968] Today we have with us a group of students among America's best.

[969] To you, we say we have only completed a beginning.

[970] We leave you much that is undone.

[971] There are great ideas.

[972] undiscovered.

[973] Breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of Truth's protective layers.

[974] What?

[975] He is.

[976] I mean, okay, well, two things.

[977] Does that mean?

[978] A little unfair to it is, and you add that fucking Wonka music to anything, everything so is incredibly creepy.

[979] But it does sound like one of truth's pretentive layers?

[980] He's trying to tell you something.

[981] I mean, you can't get more cryptic.

[982] And you also can't get more exciting if you're a conspiracy theorist.

[983] It almost kind of sounds like he's like, and to the child who actually figures out how to go to the fucking moon.

[984] There are great breakthroughs for those who can remove one of truce's protective layers?

[985] What would you rather?

[986] The moon confession or the R. Kelly confession?

[987] If you had to pick one.

[988] Arkelly made a song.

[989] It's your song.

[990] I did it.

[991] I need that moon.

[992] confession, bro.

[993] Yeah.

[994] I need that moon confession.

[995] The R. Kelly, you know, I don't need that confession.

[996] I'm good.

[997] Yeah, no, we know.

[998] We know.

[999] That's up to the law now.

[1000] I think the law is going to have a piece of that.

[1001] You know, R. Kelly seems to be pretty Teflon.

[1002] But the moon confession would be fascinating.

[1003] I would be excited.

[1004] Or like a moon, like, I don't know, just, I guess it's not on them to prove.

[1005] that they went so I'm saying like you know just some type of like just why I mean well 1969 it's a different world Nixon's president I don't know if they did lie I don't know you know I used to think I knew I do not think I know I mean it's foolish I don't know jack shit about astrophysics but I know if there was a lie you know if there's any president we would guess would be down it'd be Trump he'd tell us about it well no I'm saying well I'm saying like I'm saying like Nixon just like it's it is a perfect storm of like oh yeah oh yeah that's Nixon yeah oh he's the most deceptive president of all time except the current one yeah um yeah it's yeah it's very interesting i i i've shut down a lot of barbecues with that just talking about just bring it up like how about now you have more information and by the way this is a fraction of a shit that i've i dude i did research yeah for years yeah i debated uh a scientist on Penn Gillette's radio show about it.

[1006] How did it go?

[1007] Pretty good for me. Even though I don't even agree with some of the shit that I said back then.

[1008] Where does that argument end on just to agree to disagree?

[1009] It was a time constraint.

[1010] I would do it far differently now.

[1011] I think far differently now that I did then.

[1012] I would not take this I know we didn't do it approach because I don't know we didn't do it.

[1013] Yeah, no, and that's the thing.

[1014] I very casually go, yeah, probably not.

[1015] But it's just the things that don't add up to me don't add up in a way that just makes me go, yeah.

[1016] Do you know about the Van Allen radiation belts?

[1017] You know about all that?

[1018] Not enough to like.

[1019] There's a belt of radiation, like a donut shaped belt of radiation.

[1020] From just years of, no, no, it's just naturally surrounds the earth.

[1021] Oh, you know what I'm thinking about?

[1022] I'm thinking about the, never mind.

[1023] I'm thinking about the belt from years of like satellites and stuff.

[1024] Oh, yeah, yeah, there's that shit too.

[1025] It wasn't much of that in 1969, not nearly.

[1026] What about it?

[1027] The Van Allen radiation belts is an intense band of radiation for miles that surrounds the earth that you would have to go through to get to the moon.

[1028] So apparently, though, there's a hole that you could go through in the top where the radiation belt isn't there.

[1029] But the idea is that there was no shielding to protect them from radiation.

[1030] They just were in this aluminum tin can.

[1031] You ever touch your lunar module?

[1032] like they have, there was a science exhibit I went to once that had a replica of the lunar module and you could put your hands on it and it's like, whoa, this thing is made out of Coke cans.

[1033] It's like it's so, it's so nothing.

[1034] I want to show you.

[1035] It's so weird looking.

[1036] There's also like photographs that are fucking wonky lights that go at two different angles and they say, well that's possible due to uneven terrain and, you know, things are reflecting off of things, all these different variables.

[1037] I really enjoyed just, like, playing around in the...

[1038] Where is this?

[1039] Where is this?

[1040] Is that Houston?

[1041] Oh, wow.

[1042] Is that a space shuttle?

[1043] Yeah, it's the shuttle.

[1044] You see, I have a...

[1045] This is, you've seen these.

[1046] You're another dude that walks around with a phone with no case on.

[1047] Yeah, this is me on the...

[1048] On the railroad phone.

[1049] You don't put a case on your phone, dude.

[1050] No, no. Your job died so that we could feel with sleekness.

[1051] You're a risk taker.

[1052] I like the feel of the phone.

[1053] phone.

[1054] A lot of people, Neil DeGrasse Tyson was sitting in their very seat 24 hours ago said the exact same thing.

[1055] Yeah.

[1056] He has this with no case on either.

[1057] I was like, if he could only be here now, and he don't drop it.

[1058] Oh, he would go crazy on us.

[1059] He's one of the reasons why I dropped it.

[1060] Talking to him, I'm like, yeah.

[1061] He thinks we went?

[1062] Yeah.

[1063] Well, he's dedicated his whole life to the idea of it.

[1064] Well, you know what also?

[1065] He hasn't.

[1066] He's dedicated his whole life to science.

[1067] No, but I know, but I'm just saying like, to the like the way that like, that's part of It's part of, like, the kid growing up.

[1068] It is, but he's not an indulger in conspiracy theories.

[1069] He's got too much other shit to think about that's real.

[1070] He's thinking about actual real science.

[1071] Like, he doesn't have time for that nonsense.

[1072] But he will illuminate you on why he thinks it's stupid.

[1073] And it would be an incredibly difficult task to fake that.

[1074] But it wouldn't be as difficult in 1969 as it would be in 2018.

[1075] If you try to do that in 2018, basically impossible.

[1076] I mean, the Tuskegee experiment.

[1077] existed you know what year was that was that the 60s it went on for what 20 years it was like a I don't know the exact no but it was like 20 years of history where this is happening and like non like so many things can just kind of happen under the did they give people syphilis or did yeah yeah yeah um giving black men syphilis like it just like kind of like I don't even know what the research was exactly if it's like monitoring its effects or I think that was exactly what it was.

[1078] Yeah, and it was just, yeah, for like 20 years at the Tuskegee Hospital.

[1079] There are real conspiracies, unquestionably, undeniably real conspiracies.

[1080] Like Gulf of Tonkin, which got us into the Vietnam War.

[1081] They pretended that a ship got attacked by North Korea or by North Vietnam.

[1082] Was it North Vietnam?

[1083] Whatever it was.

[1084] By Vietnam in the South Pacific, and this motivated everybody to get in.

[1085] to war with Vietnam.

[1086] Never happened.

[1087] It's fake.

[1088] Made it up.

[1089] Operation Northwoods, 1962, signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, vetoed by President Kennedy.

[1090] It was a signed order where they were going to plan out fake attacks on America.

[1091] They were going to launch a drone jetliner and blow it up in the air, blame it on Cuba.

[1092] They were going to arm Cuban friendlies and have them attack Guantanamo Bay.

[1093] They're going to pay them, arm them to attack Guantanamo Bay.

[1094] They're going to pay them, arm Anamo Bay, and then it would give us the motivation to go to war with Cuba.

[1095] This was all signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

[1096] They're going to sacrifice American lives.

[1097] They were going to kill Americans.

[1098] They were going to have people attack Americans, and they were going to blame it on the Cubans.

[1099] And they were orchestrating it all to get people motivated for a war with Cuba.

[1100] And President Kennedy came along and said, what in the fuck are you talking about?

[1101] And he vetoed it and stopped it.

[1102] And a year later, he was dead.

[1103] This is one of the things that he did.

[1104] One of the things that he did that lead many people to believe that there was a conspiracy that, you know, he was murdered.

[1105] That's a good one, too.

[1106] The Lee Harvey Oswald case is a fascinating one.

[1107] Lee Harvey's murder is the shadiest looking shit.

[1108] Shadiest shit of all time.

[1109] Jack Ruby runs his held by the cops.

[1110] It was like a motion picture just with a director, like a B -movie director.

[1111] Yeah.

[1112] Yeah, it really was.

[1113] What happened with Lee Harvey -Owold?

[1114] Lee Harvey Oswald's captured by the cops.

[1115] He says, I'm a patsy.

[1116] You know, this is just, I didn't do anything.

[1117] And they're walking him.

[1118] They're holding on to him.

[1119] By the way, he's behaving like a guy who got framed.

[1120] He's not behaving like a guy who just shot the president.

[1121] And they're walking with him.

[1122] This is after he said he was a patsy.

[1123] They're walking with him through the courtyard.

[1124] And Jack Ruby, who was a mob guy, walks right up to him and shoots him in front of everybody.

[1125] Jack Ruby, who is a nightclub owner who is deep and dead to the mob.

[1126] Look at the shot.

[1127] Look at the shot.

[1128] Yeah, watch this.

[1129] he's walking look how they have him too it's almost like bang just walks up to him they grab him hey you cut it out there mister it looks like it's playing on Turner Classic movies it does like you could add music to this I'm the rest of the ones add it like give me some volume Jamie play that from the beginning let me see him walking again give me some volume let me hear this but look at the they're walking him through but look how the cops are like way on the outside too I don't want to get shot Look there They're holding them Oh There's a man with a gun There's a man with a gun Oh man Never shot another round Shoots one round Kills him And that's it Very strange Strange place to shoot him too Where did he shoot him?

[1130] The guts You know Like in the movies It's just weird Even the way he drew his gun was very, like...

[1131] Yeah, I think there's probably many people involved in that murder.

[1132] Very, very, very likely.

[1133] You know, the Zapruder film didn't get played on TV to more than 10 years after the assassination?

[1134] That was that long?

[1135] You know who played it?

[1136] Who?

[1137] Dick Gregory.

[1138] Oh, he was the...

[1139] That's incredible.

[1140] And he brought it to the Geraldo Rivera show in like, what was it?

[1141] Like, 1970 something.

[1142] I think the murder was in 63, and I think he brought it on the Geraldo Rivera show, 75.

[1143] How about that?

[1144] Hey, man. And you know what?

[1145] And knowing that it played on Geraldo more than makes up for the Al Capone's Vault.

[1146] Haraldo used to be legit, man. He was a guy.

[1147] People don't realize Harald was super legit.

[1148] Dick Gregory is a journalist.

[1149] Oh, he was amazing.

[1150] Dick Gregory was amazing.

[1151] I mean, he was an activist before anybody even knew what the fuck that meant.

[1152] And as a comedian, for him to be appearing on this show, Geraldo Rivera, beautiful hair.

[1153] God, look at his hair.

[1154] And Dick Gregory, looking young and handsome, and he brings this out and explains to people, hey, it is highly likely that the president got shot from the front.

[1155] And look at his head, go back into the left.

[1156] You see his brain spray and the blood spray out of his head?

[1157] It's crazy.

[1158] When they played it, people were stunned.

[1159] And you could clearly see, you know, him grabbing his neck.

[1160] Like, you could see the whole thing.

[1161] Yeah.

[1162] It's a fucked up video.

[1163] And it's amazing that if we didn't have this video, we would probably have a completely different narrative of what happened to Kennedy.

[1164] One guy with one camera opened up the possibility that there was a massive conspiracy that killed the president.

[1165] And it led to the release of countless books and so much speculation.

[1166] How many files, like, there's still, like, what's the timestamp before all, like, the files around the case?

[1167] Well, some of them were released fairly recently.

[1168] Yeah, they came out like last year or maybe even this year.

[1169] And I don't even remember it.

[1170] Look at that.

[1171] Boom, back into the left.

[1172] I don't remember what the conclusion was.

[1173] Oh, I just missed it.

[1174] Rewind it?

[1175] Yeah.

[1176] So grainy.

[1177] Yeah.

[1178] Here, watch back into the left.

[1179] Watch here.

[1180] Itty.

[1181] Here comes the spray.

[1182] Bang.

[1183] Oh, shit.

[1184] Yeah.

[1185] The way his head throws back, it seems very likely that he was hit from the front.

[1186] However, it's also possible that he was hit from the back.

[1187] and that his body just spasm that way yeah you don't mean no one really knows yeah have you seen uh Jackie the movie Jackie no it they capture he captures like that moment you know it's for the film but it in such a like it's a beautiful really beautifully captured moment that he kind of plays throughout the film it's like you just for that alone I thought the movie was beautiful and very underrated but I but it captured it really well yeah it's a it's a crazy moment in history you know they assassinated the president it was caught on film but again if dick gregory didn't get that video footage to harolda riva is this in the movie like oh jesus christ damn yeah yeah it's yeah it's crazy was she picking up his brains no that's not true you know lennie bruce had a whole fucking bit on that i heard the whole bit on that because they tried to say that she was picking up his brain she was running away she she she knew that he was dead and she was escaping.

[1188] She was climbing off the back of the car to escape and then the Secret Service is behind her and you know he tried to help her.

[1189] Damn.

[1190] Yeah.

[1191] Failed all.

[1192] Crazy dude.

[1193] There's also the difference in the autopsy.

[1194] The autopsy in Dallas.

[1195] The way they examined his wounds in Dallas versus the way they described in Bethesda, Maryland when they flew him to that hospital, completely different.

[1196] Really?

[1197] Yeah, yeah.

[1198] They turn the entry wound into the neck, which they said was a bullet hole.

[1199] They turned that in a tracheotomy wound.

[1200] They changed the way they thought the entrance wound to the head was.

[1201] Yeah, there's a lot of weird fuckery that went on between Dallas and Maryland.

[1202] And then there was also generals in the room that were there that wouldn't allow doctors to come and do certain parts of the autopsy.

[1203] There's a lot of weird shit.

[1204] Wow.

[1205] I mean, also it's the president.

[1206] You have to realize the President United States.

[1207] It's shot.

[1208] It's top secret.

[1209] They don't know what else could happen.

[1210] But just like to not have the files line up, but then release both.

[1211] When were they released?

[1212] There's a great book on it.

[1213] The book's called Best Evidence by a guy named David Lifton.

[1214] And I fucked up once and read this book before I went on stage.

[1215] I was working in Philly.

[1216] And I, you know, I was on the road.

[1217] It was like, you know, I was young.

[1218] And I didn't understand.

[1219] Like, you got to put yourself in a good frame of mind.

[1220] before you do stand -up and I was reading this book Freaking the fuck out I was like oh my god God they shot the president Like this is real They killed the goddamn president And I went on stage Like super bummed out I had explained The lady that ran the club I'm like I'm so sorry I just won't happen tomorrow Because I was there for the whole weekend I'm like I read this book And she's like don't read that book tomorrow I'll like I won't Oh man going on stage Bumped out is the I gotta pee Go ahead Go ahead Oh yeah that Yeah, I've done that before.

[1221] I went up, I remember one time, I mean, this is the craziest set ever.

[1222] I'm at Baltimore Comedy Factory, which is already, you know, just with my style in that club, already shouldn't be a thing that happens.

[1223] But you got to find that out to Harvard up.

[1224] But, you know, whatever.

[1225] And also my friend, Angelo, it just passed away.

[1226] And I was going through, we were talking about, like, kind of it was depressed.

[1227] I was, like, trying to make sense of that.

[1228] Couple with, it was right after, like, Christmas and the holidays, I hadn't gone up for a few weeks.

[1229] So being rusty, depressed at the Baltimore Comedy Factory, you know, is a combination that led to, like, it almost, I remember, experiencing it from up here.

[1230] You know what I mean?

[1231] Like, it's one of those things that you experience where you're just like, you're just kind of looking down at it.

[1232] Just like, huh.

[1233] Going on stage after something terrible.

[1234] Yeah.

[1235] No, I mean, it's absolutely.

[1236] Especially if you're, you know, if who you are and you act is so relying upon.

[1237] Having fun.

[1238] Yeah, or a truth to, you know, the presentation is a certain, it has a certain amount of truth to it.

[1239] Right.

[1240] Where you are right now.

[1241] Yeah.

[1242] going on your mind.

[1243] Yeah, which is also a thing I always have to guard for me because it's so really absorb, absorb, absorb.

[1244] So, like, I'm reacting to, and by exactly how I feel right now.

[1245] I worked with J .B. Smooth once.

[1246] We were working in a club, no, a college in New Jersey.

[1247] And it was real hard to get to.

[1248] And this was back before GPS.

[1249] You know, we just had directions.

[1250] done on paper you know and he was real late like a half hour late plus maybe even more and the show was supposed to start at eight it was already 830 and he wasn't there so they said look um just have a seat in the green room and wait and you know when he gets here we'll put him on so i go okay so i have a seat in the green room and i'm watching this show and it's a documentary on these fires in malibu that devastated malibu back then you know and and and fucking burnt all these houses down and these people are weeping and crying and they're looking for their dog.

[1251] They're like, Rusty, where are you, Rusty?

[1252] And then this guy, he's a firefighter, and he comes out, and he didn't even lose his house.

[1253] He was just taking care of all these people that did lose their houses, and he built this house, and it's like his life savings, and he's just, and his neighbor's house is gone, his house was spared, and he's just weeping.

[1254] This guy's just openly weeping.

[1255] And then the director of entertainment, whatever it is for the college, comes in and he goes, Well, J .B.'s not here yet, so I guess you'll just go on first.

[1256] And when he gets here, you'll go on, I'm like, okay.

[1257] So we're going to bring you up now, okay?

[1258] I was like, okay.

[1259] And I just went up and just ate shit.

[1260] Yeah, yeah.

[1261] I was so depressed.

[1262] Yeah, of course.

[1263] I mean, thinking about this fire and all these people burning dogs and, you know.

[1264] Did you talk about that?

[1265] No, I was terrible at the time.

[1266] I didn't know where he was doing.

[1267] Ready for some comedy?

[1268] There's that moment.

[1269] When you're a young comic, you only been doing, at the time I'd been doing comedy like four years.

[1270] when I would go down with a ship four years in there was no coming back like once I bombed if I was doing pretty good and then I started bombing there was no recovery I never recovered this is just like there's no I've already given you my best I didn't have the I didn't have the mindset I didn't know how to recover I didn't know how to step back and reassess and you think about these fires I was so depressed it's a lot you just can't watch something like that before you go on stage Yeah, I mean, and then not, also, you know, it's also that learned thing of how to find the best of where you are type of thing.

[1271] But, like, yeah, before having that.

[1272] Stay out of the weeds, man. Don't talk to anybody that's depressing.

[1273] Don't do anything depressing.

[1274] Yeah.

[1275] Well, people like to talk, like, more than that, I'm actually more affected by, you know, I remember, like, starting out and going on to clubs and, like, people, you know, the book or.

[1276] or whatever likes to come in and give you the rundown of the room and whatever and I'm really bad at that like I'm bad at like don't give me the information like again like allow me to react to whatever is out there and whatever's going on and like you don't need that thing like let it get in my head as I'm in my head you don't want to hear okay there's a bachelor party and table two and they're really rowdy and we're going to try to talk to them first so just just you know try not to react to them what are you doing yeah They'll tell you this as you're being introduced to hold your arm.

[1277] Gerard, just want to let you know.

[1278] We've got it.

[1279] We're going to handle it.

[1280] The Bachelor party, you've got it under control.

[1281] And so, like, they do it on, I mean, if you're doing, you know, you're doing press for certain things.

[1282] Like most things, they're trying to do, like, a pre -interview and the thing.

[1283] And it's all just these things that, like, just rings out anything organic or any realness.

[1284] Yeah, yeah.

[1285] Any spontaneity squeezed out by those pre -interviews.

[1286] And you're doing it with a producer.

[1287] and like, do you have any stories, funny stories?

[1288] Like, oh, I don't know.

[1289] Do I?

[1290] I'm not sure.

[1291] The worst, you ever gone on one in those radio shows where they want you to do your bits?

[1292] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[1293] Oh, there's some, I hope somebody to record it.

[1294] There's some great 6 a .m. me in Indiana just refusing.

[1295] Bob and Tom show?

[1296] Did you do that?

[1297] I think I did Bob and Tom.

[1298] I'm pretty sure I did Bob and Tom.

[1299] I did that too.

[1300] And the fucking producer lady got very angry at me. Yeah.

[1301] Yeah.

[1302] Yeah.

[1303] Yeah, it's like, why would I, why would I do that?

[1304] Yeah, I think it was a lady.

[1305] It might have been, dude.

[1306] But, you know, like, it is that.

[1307] But again, man, it all goes to, like, perception.

[1308] Like, they, what people make of comedians, you know, you know, and what the expectations are.

[1309] When you go out and you do these things, like, what people's expectations are, like, you got to, like, you, it's up to you to, like, change it.

[1310] Yeah.

[1311] Like, to change that thing.

[1312] It's just like, all right, well, look, hey, Bob.

[1313] Bob and Tom, nice guys, people do their bids.

[1314] It's just not a thing that I do.

[1315] We'll have a conversation.

[1316] Yeah, and you try to pretend that a conversation can't be entertaining.

[1317] That's crazy.

[1318] Yeah, and it's like, you know, again, like, it's not even that they do it.

[1319] It's like it has to be tailored to you.

[1320] You can't do the thing.

[1321] You can't just fill into the mold of comedian.

[1322] Right.

[1323] You know, it's just going to make the exact same thing over and over.

[1324] Well, the art form is just very underappreciated because it seems like we're just talking.

[1325] You know, it seems like anybody can do it.

[1326] I talk too.

[1327] You talk?

[1328] I talk.

[1329] Yeah.

[1330] You know, it's not like we all play guitar, so you see someone go up there and shred.

[1331] It's why your friends from back home think they could do a pretty good.

[1332] Yeah, exactly.

[1333] Because everybody's been funny at one point in time.

[1334] We've all hung around with somebody who said some hilarious shit.

[1335] Oh, yeah.

[1336] And, you know, and that feels good.

[1337] Right.

[1338] It feels good when they do that.

[1339] When they say that and they get that feeling like, damn, I just made everybody laugh.

[1340] We've all felt that And we probably felt that before we ever did comedy So they see you on stage And they see you killing And they say I could do that shit He's doing that He's doing what I do I could do that And they get it in their head Jamar could do it Why the fuck can't I do it They get it in their head Like he's just talking He's not doing back flips He's not surfing 80 foot waves But you know what I mean They think What you're doing is stuff they do.

[1341] I had a cousin like, you know, I'll bring me like Jeremy out.

[1342] Cousins out, whatever.

[1343] I bring them out to like the club sometimes or whatever.

[1344] I brought him to an open mic one time.

[1345] And, you know, I go up and I say, hey, man, it's an open mic, man. If y 'all want to go up, I was like, you should.

[1346] You know, he's going to see my boys do it or whatever.

[1347] So my cousin, Jeremy was like, yeah, I'll do it, whatever.

[1348] And he's like, I can do that shit.

[1349] He gets up and he does good.

[1350] He's a funny dude.

[1351] you know and I was like all right now do that shit every day for 10 years you know what and look the reality is some people are good I'm sure you know some comedians started just by me like I can do this shit and then they did and then they were great at it and you know and like and that can't happen it's just that if you are going to do it like anything you know if it is like what you're choosing And it's just like make sure that the articulation is yours and interest in.

[1352] You know what I mean?

[1353] I think that's kind of the goal.

[1354] Like, however you get into it or whatever inspired it or whatever, like, if you are doing it, do it.

[1355] You know, like, do it and like do it at its highest level if you can't.

[1356] Yeah, it's just, I think, stand up like you were saying, it just doesn't get the respect that other art forms get.

[1357] Because there's no, there's no, like, if you see someone play guitar, play the drums or something like that, you don't have any illusion that you can.

[1358] go up and do exactly what they do but a lot of people have the illusion in their mind that they can go on stage and be funny yeah because they're just talking to even or even just be interesting to be in you know what I mean to be anything in a room but it's but a lot of it you know part of the the reason for the perception is the things that we accept yeah you know like it really is that like a lot of the things that we accept contribute to like oh yeah like you know we make it like We allow ourselves to be presented, like, you know, court jesters.

[1359] Right, yeah.

[1360] Well, and it's also, it's one of the rare things that anybody can try, right?

[1361] You can go up open mic night and try.

[1362] Yeah.

[1363] And, you know, while you're up there doing stand -up, somebody who's a professional might drop in.

[1364] And, you know, Chappelle might show up and do a set.

[1365] Jeff Ross might go up there.

[1366] Domirera might show up.

[1367] People will show up and do sets and share the stage with you.

[1368] And it's your first day.

[1369] right that's a rare thing that doesn't take place in music or anywhere else where you get an open mic night and there's 30 people doing three minutes yeah yeah anybody could be one of them yeah it's weird homeless people yeah a lot of homeless people right a lot of sketchy fucking weirdos that touch the same mic as you yeah that same mic it doesn't change it doesn't never get cleaned nobody cleans that comedy store Mike You've got an intense immune system from working at that.

[1370] No one's taking a chlorox wipe.

[1371] Who the fuck is clean in anything at that place?

[1372] They barely clean the tables.

[1373] That place, they just deliver drinks to keep the party rolling.

[1374] That's part of why it's so good.

[1375] It's just a grimy joy.

[1376] That's a big layer of humor that's covering everything.

[1377] Oh, for sure, man. I think when they changed out the improv and they swapped that lab for that back bar and they put that bar in there and it's like it seemed like they like removed a body part it's like yeah how they got it now yeah it's but i mean in the way that like the energy went away yeah it was this kind of uh it's kind of Miami infusion yeah so i feel like a nightclub Miami it was an encino restaurant bar that's what it was like yeah yeah like just with the sofas and they're just like like you know what this uh this room needs a place for people to lounge more yeah it just well Well, they kind of figured it out now.

[1378] They've got the little shows that they do there.

[1379] It's kind of interesting.

[1380] But it used to be cool.

[1381] It used to be like a room, like a separate room that was just comedy.

[1382] And Ari Shafir's whole storyteller's show started out there.

[1383] That's where he would do it.

[1384] He would run it there because it was like a 70, 80 -seat room.

[1385] Wait, you're talking about the lab?

[1386] The lab.

[1387] It used to be, before it was the bar, it was the lab.

[1388] Because they redid it twice.

[1389] Yeah, I remember the lab.

[1390] We did it a couple times.

[1391] Yeah, I was talking about the mate, like the mate.

[1392] the redoing of the main room.

[1393] Yeah, the lab room, yeah, I remember that that could have a really good energy when it had like that really pink curtain that was back there.

[1394] Yeah, I remember, I feel like, yeah, I remember doing like a Montreal showcase or something.

[1395] Yeah, that was like my first and only one.

[1396] No, I did it twice that year.

[1397] I remember doing it later that week.

[1398] Yeah.

[1399] Improv is a weird spot.

[1400] That hallway when you wait and go on.

[1401] there's nowhere to hide you know you're stuck in the hallway people walking by yeah like hey man let me talk to you about something like I'm going on stage right now I got to go hold on let me get a selfie like yeah they could touch you like right before you're going on stage again you know that never happens with Gary Clark he's never about to go on stage there's some dude in the hallway you know Gary let me get a selfie yeah away from it yeah walk out and yeah show and so that's part of the reason why it's interesting it's part of the reason because you're like one of them but it's also part of the reason why it's a fucking weird art form yeah no it is it is it's a weird and at is best it's so interesting and like yeah you get a lot of perspective and thoughts are you doing a lot of sets these days what do you haven't gone up really haven't gone i mean i've done maybe two or three sets in the past year and a half damn that's crazy maybe maybe that and the last time i was like did you do like two minutes and walk off yeah yeah i was like i'm good I don't need this.

[1402] Why?

[1403] No, it's just not where ideas are going now.

[1404] Where's your ideas going now?

[1405] Like, it's a lot of film projects and, like, some television stuff.

[1406] That just feels more normal to you?

[1407] Yeah, it just feels like the way of it.

[1408] I mean, even, you know, before, I mean, had, like, a TV show, I would do a lot of thoughts would just go there, and I wouldn't do stand up a lot during that.

[1409] And, like, you know, I like to just focus and, like, put the energy where you feel the most creative.

[1410] And so that's why, I mean, you could go up and you could, I don't know, something about stand -up right now, you know, it's simultaneously, like, oh, man, there's some really amazing things happening.

[1411] And just kind of as a whole is just like a certain, I think it's going through, like, this growing phase, like this kind of identity thing, right?

[1412] because it's like I feel like there needs to be kind of this overhaul and even one in its presentation and two with the expectation of performer audience think because it's a lot of like I don't know I'll go and I'll see a lot of like you know Trump stuff and a lot of things but it's like not like new perspective and it's like you know it's a lot of civil rights leaders and it's a lot of you know like a lot of things and and you know and not even good civil rights leaders just, you know, talking points and just kind of preach into, it's a lot of preaching the choirs.

[1413] And it's like, you know, the whole thing is this unique articulation and like this unique thing that you're supposed to be bringing.

[1414] It's show and tell.

[1415] Like, it is like, hey, I have this thing.

[1416] I have this thought that I think is unique.

[1417] I have this way of presenting this thought that I think is unique.

[1418] And, and now, and again, it's profitable right now.

[1419] This is the bubble where it is right now, right?

[1420] if you go up and you, you know, speak for your group or you speak in this type of way, you can get rewarded for it and kind of these immediate rewards, I understand it.

[1421] But it really does kind of choke the art form.

[1422] It chokes what's interesting about it.

[1423] I think there's just so many people trying to stand out, and it's so difficult to do that.

[1424] And they find these paths, and one of those paths is to be someone who's like really moral and righteous and, you know, has something to say.

[1425] But it's also under the, it's under the illusion of, uh being rebellious and and edgy yeah it's under it's under the illusion of these things because it's like uh uh you know there's when dick gregory said the things that he said in the things he said there was real danger in a conservative country there's real danger to a lot of things that he says you get on stage and you're like fuck trump in los angeles in new york city yeah there's no danger honing your skills and it's just like oh well well good for you that unique perspective you bring about how this is the worst of times yeah it's uh there's definitely a lot of that there's a lot of voices you know but there's a lot of great stuff too no there is there are unique you know expect like that that's the thing it's just with anything it's it's flooded right now there do you plan on going back do you have aspirations or do you have a thought in your head or do you just go with the flow it's kind of go with i mean if i if i if i feel it and like thoughts come out that fit or if i find a way to do it like a thing that maybe doesn't necessarily fit in with that then maybe I'll do that I'm open to it I just don't know yeah I don't really know what that is right now that's beautiful though that you have that sensibility that you just this is what I'm thinking about this is what I like to do right now yeah I just kind of focus I've been in more music studios in the past two years than I've been comedy clubs really yeah what are you doing with music just kind of just like just hanging out well just I like I mean I like to talk about it and you like kind of discuss it and like you know I've been like enough to kind of be around some like artists that I admire and just like listen to that creation probably I like the immediacy of that process like a lot I like that is what I was saying what I like about even here it's like it's it's it's an art space that you have here where you can kind of create like in this immediate space and like exactly how you see it it comes out in that way and you can record it and capture it like that and when your mind is in that space you know you need to only do things that it can be good at yeah yeah it's a it's a good you're well you're it seems to me as an outsider is that you found like your natural path you found a natural path like you've you've made it in you become successful you're well known now and you've got freedom and you just Like, let me just find my, what am I into?

[1426] Well, I'm doing what I hope, like, all of us are trying to do.

[1427] Like, the one thing that I've always done is exactly what I want to do in the career.

[1428] And it's not just by nature.

[1429] It's not like, you know, and then I told, it's just by saying not doing the things.

[1430] If it doesn't match, then not doing it.

[1431] You know, like, and trying to have a vision of what the thing is and just making, that right and so like that's what like comedy at its best again the the medium finds you like it comes to you you don't go to the medium yeah you know like like the medium is meeting you like and and so many people are just like conforming and just the it becomes the same thing I don't know it's a weird time well that's a good outsider's perspective like you you're an insider that has almost an outsider's perspective because you're looking at it like you step back a little bit and you watch all the the the fucking hamster wheel, watch all the scrambling, watch all the sliding around.

[1432] There's a lot of them, man. There's a lot of fake horseshit going on.

[1433] It's a lot of people grabbing straws.

[1434] Yeah, it's a lot of, it's really noisy.

[1435] Yeah.

[1436] But there's just so many opportunities, there's so many venues, and there's so many comedians.

[1437] And it's also comedy is so hot right now.

[1438] It's like it's such an exciting time for stand -up that there's so many people doing it, so you're automatically going to get, just like when you're trying out jokes, a lot of them suck.

[1439] Well, when you're trying out comedians, a lot of them are you going to make it.

[1440] I mean, this might be in terms of success to failure ratios, one of the most brutal art forms you could ever attempt to be a professional act.

[1441] Yeah, yeah, no, definitely.

[1442] I mean, because you're going out there kind of naked with the thought.

[1443] How many guys from your era, like when you started doing open mic nights, are doing well now?

[1444] Um, guys are, guys are, uh, right now really finding their kind of space and guys are starting to get TV shows and they're starting to get, like, guys that I remember seeing it, like, mics are really starting to do, like, in the past couple years, it's really, like, kind of hit.

[1445] I, I was on this weird, kind of weird path trajectory type of thing.

[1446] I, I, kind of, kind of, I, kind of, was just on the side of it.

[1447] I feel like in this weird sense and things kind of happened and I kind of found an infrastructure that worked for me really quickly.

[1448] You know what I mean?

[1449] But like around now is the time I think that a lot of things are starting to happen for like guys that have been around.

[1450] And if you were around 500 dudes when you first started that you knew regularly, maybe three are working now.

[1451] Yeah.

[1452] Yeah.

[1453] Right?

[1454] Yeah.

[1455] Legitimately.

[1456] Like, if you counted all of them up over the first 10 years of your stand -up career, you got maybe three.

[1457] That are doing what they want to do.

[1458] Maybe two that are doing what they want to do.

[1459] Yeah.

[1460] Maybe.

[1461] It really is that.

[1462] Yeah.

[1463] It's fucking brutal.

[1464] A lot of comedians operate in this space where it's like they don't know they could do what they want to do.

[1465] Right.

[1466] That's a big wall.

[1467] Yeah.

[1468] It's a big wall.

[1469] I've seen a lot of people stop at that wall.

[1470] People that can that are just.

[1471] like still trying to figure out how to...

[1472] Right, the confidence to act, the confidence to act on your actual instincts too, to do what you really want to do.

[1473] Which is so crazy because comedy, you would think that we'd be the ones that are closest to it because it's so instinctual and it's such a reaction.

[1474] You know, like a lot of things you do is such a reaction.

[1475] Like when you discover you're funny through like...

[1476] When you discover you can sing by preparing to sing.

[1477] Right.

[1478] You know, you go and you prepare the singing, you do your voice and you give it a shot.

[1479] And you discover you're funny by just like, oh, what?

[1480] That would?

[1481] Right, right, right.

[1482] Yeah, like, you discover you were funny.

[1483] People laughing at shit you said.

[1484] You didn't even know it was funny.

[1485] Yeah, it was that, okay, by like a hunch that you have.

[1486] So, like, it's so instinctual that you would think it would be more of that, like, following your instinct, following your gut, forging your own.

[1487] But there's also, it's so scary in the beginning that once you find shelter, you hold on to that.

[1488] Yeah.

[1489] That's why those, you know, the saddest comedians are the ones that they do stand up for five.

[1490] years, they develop a half an hour and it never changes.

[1491] Yeah, you found it.

[1492] They cling to that bitch like a fucking life raft.

[1493] Yeah, people, listen, man, you know, people don't talk about how comfy glass ceilings are.

[1494] You know, they're really, it's actually surprisingly soft of it.

[1495] Yeah, listen, I got to get the fuck out of here.

[1496] Yeah, this is great.

[1497] What do you got going on?

[1498] Do you promote anything?

[1499] You got anything happening?

[1500] Oh, Drew's, I got to talk about Drew's special.

[1501] Drew Michael.

[1502] I met the send that to you.

[1503] Oh, we'll send it to me now.

[1504] I'll send it to you now.

[1505] It comes out this weekend.

[1506] It comes out Saturday.

[1507] It's really fun.

[1508] It's a comedian I love.

[1509] I'm excited for people to see him, directed a special, did it without an audience.

[1510] Without an audience?

[1511] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1512] Really?

[1513] Where did you do it?

[1514] We shot it on a stage, just like on a stage we kind of created the environment.

[1515] Wow.

[1516] And, yeah, I really excited.

[1517] Whose idea was it to do without an audience?

[1518] Mine.

[1519] I, I, I, I, I think the thoughts work removed from it, and I'm really excited to...

[1520] Wow.

[1521] I'm really excited to capture it like that.

[1522] Wow.

[1523] Yeah, I don't even really know what you call this thing, but I'm really...

[1524] Because it was like, when I first saw him, I...

[1525] Is this a trailer?

[1526] Yeah, yeah.

[1527] The person I get close to.

[1528] Songs got a gift here.

[1529] Because after a while, like, the thoughts get weird.

[1530] I want to date someone I don't love.

[1531] I love my mom.

[1532] She's single, too.

[1533] Not that it matters.

[1534] And people are like, what?

[1535] And you're like, oh.

[1536] August 25th on each other.

[1537] That's interesting.

[1538] You know, those shows, those sitcoms that when they first started doing single camera sitcoms, and they started doing them without an audience, people were like, what?

[1539] Yeah.

[1540] The Larry Sanders show?

[1541] Yeah.

[1542] One of those, you're like, what the fuck is this?

[1543] There's no audience?

[1544] How weird.

[1545] Still funny, though, and people laughing home.

[1546] Yeah.

[1547] You know, some of my favorite shows.

[1548] You ever watch Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt?

[1549] I haven't really watched it But it's just Fucking hilarious show But that's the thing The thing is that it's like I think the thoughts You know Stand alone They speak for itself It was like Why not?

[1550] It's really exciting To just kind of Put that into Beautiful Some living rooms We'll see what people think Beautiful Well gentlemen Jamar Good to see you As always my brother Yes sir Good to see both of you Thank you Let's do it again man Let's do it again It's great We're in the neighborhood.

[1551] Take care.

[1552] It's fun, man. Oh, I've got the sign.