53 - Live at The Orpheum

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only Martyrs in the Building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] Thank you.

[17] Very, very loud.

[18] A little bit too loud.

[19] It's a little too loud.

[20] It was a little bit too loud.

[21] This is bananas.

[22] I'm so glad you guys didn't go to the marches and came here instead.

[23] Thank you.

[24] Hey, it's pretty cool that we decided to do our live, first huge live L .A. show the same day that the revolution started.

[25] Am I right?

[26] Yeah.

[27] Like one dad is like, wait, where the fuck is?

[28] Yeah, wake up, dad.

[29] See you.

[30] It started.

[31] Madonna said, fuck on CNN, it started.

[32] And the cue that we've all been waiting for this whole time.

[33] Man. That's my Madonna.

[34] That's the Madonna I remember.

[35] Oh, what if, like, the actual Madonna, like the Jesus' mommy Madonna was like, fuck you.

[36] Whoops.

[37] That's Karen, and that's Georgia.

[38] Well, we never introduce ourselves.

[39] I know.

[40] We never say we're my favorite murder.

[41] That's super lame.

[42] Okay, I'm going to fall.

[43] Like, there's a weird...

[44] Let's move this over.

[45] Let's go ahead and just take five minutes to make this our own space.

[46] So thank you guys so much.

[47] Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[48] All right, here we go.

[49] Let's do a...

[50] Okay.

[51] I guess...

[52] Tell me. I guess of all the signs I saw today, the one I saw that I love the best, was the one with a picture of Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

[53] Did you see that one?

[54] No. Where it was like all you five's better listen when a ten is talking.

[55] Oh.

[56] Yeah.

[57] That's right.

[58] Fuck, dude.

[59] There's a new rating system and I couldn't be happier.

[60] Holy shit.

[61] There were a lot of good signs today.

[62] I think one of being, like a guy was holding up a sign that was just like, I have nothing to say because I'm sick of hearing men talk.

[63] Oh, come on.

[64] So many tweets and responses.

[65] Call a response, but it's sweet.

[66] So many things.

[67] How are you feeling, Karen?

[68] Let's get deep.

[69] Okay, look, here's the truth.

[70] This is the dress I wore to the New York Live show.

[71] Some of you may recognize it.

[72] I didn't know.

[73] Yeah, I have to tell on myself.

[74] I pay attention to myself.

[75] I actually might have worn this to something, and I just don't remember.

[76] Well, let's, why don't stand up and let's take a look at it?

[77] No. Just walk it out?

[78] No. Oh, yeah, I will, because look.

[79] Doing this is because if my sister saw the shoes I was wearing with this dress, she would be so livid at me. She's always like, take the time, buy a $250 shoe.

[80] You deserve it.

[81] No, what the fuck is wrong with it?

[82] That's, like, onesie -to -sies pass each other.

[83] One, two, three, four.

[84] D -D -D -D -D, my sister's actually...

[85] Better five's better, listen, when these tens are talking.

[86] I mean, the size of my shoe, that's right.

[87] I bought a size too big at Target because they didn't have nines.

[88] I mean, sometimes you just got to...

[89] My feet are broken because when I was younger, I was like, size six looks cuter than size seven.

[90] Ooh, I know.

[91] That's downright ancient Chinese of you.

[92] Yeah.

[93] Yeah.

[94] Yeah.

[95] My actual real -life sister is here.

[96] Let's get a spotlight on her.

[97] She got a Barbie at my head.

[98] That's right.

[99] Lee?

[100] You mother.

[101] Lee.

[102] Hey.

[103] She made you who you are today.

[104] She did.

[105] A broken human name.

[106] Lee, I love you.

[107] You're the best.

[108] Here we go.

[109] You have the best kid I've ever met in my life.

[110] Well, I do have a present for you.

[111] Oh, good way.

[112] You can't keep sneaking presents at me. I certainly can.

[113] This one is the best because the last episode we talked about, I talked about going to see Golden Girls Live, which is the best show ever.

[114] Yes.

[115] That's right.

[116] Let's cheer for everything.

[117] Casitas del Campo, Drew Joji, Jackie Beach, Sherry Vine, Sam Pancake.

[118] Casita Campo, everyone after the party, after party, go there.

[119] Yeah, it'll be the after party.

[120] They're closed.

[121] We'll stand around on the party lawn.

[122] but so I told Georgia that at the end of the last podcast and then she told me about the mug they make and it is a mug that has the guest of the Golden Girls Live on it so it's all those guys dressed up like their characters and the Golden Girls and on the other side of the mug one side is that picture and the other side it says thank you for being a cunt and he did not well he Here's the thing.

[123] So Georgia was like, she told me about that mug, but I had already bought her the mug at that live show, but then had second thoughts because I was like, wait, is she going to think I'm passively aggressively calling her a cunt?

[124] Like, oh, here, thanks for being a cunt.

[125] No, I don't think that deeply.

[126] Okay, good, then here.

[127] Thanks for being a cunt.

[128] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.

[129] What if I just went?

[130] Yeah.

[131] I just smashed it.

[132] Oh, my God.

[133] It's anarchy tonight, ladies and gentlemen.

[134] I am a cunt, and I'm proud of it.

[135] Yeah, me too.

[136] It's fun.

[137] Oh, how do you feel about people who bring their babies to protests?

[138] I don't give a shit about anything.

[139] The world is about to blow up.

[140] You can fucking bring a dead body to a protest.

[141] Just show up.

[142] Show up.

[143] Love it.

[144] Love it.

[145] Sorry, that was a strong reaction.

[146] Love it, live it.

[147] I haven't had any protein a couple hours.

[148] I'm about to go off.

[149] I'm doing this.

[150] Yeah, girl.

[151] It might have dust in it.

[152] No, because I actually, in thinking I shouldn't give it to you, I ran it through the washing machine.

[153] I mean, the dishwasher.

[154] Oh, God.

[155] Oh, because you were going to keep it.

[156] I was going to keep it.

[157] I was going to keep it.

[158] Great.

[159] Thank you.

[160] I was going to keep it, and then imagine my chills when you were like, they have this mug?

[161] And I was like, what?

[162] A fake what.

[163] Oh, that sounds so weird.

[164] Well, thank you.

[165] That's so kind of you.

[166] You're welcome.

[167] We were going to, Karen was like, let's bring signs out.

[168] And I was like, what kind of signs?

[169] And then, like, we have this giant Elvis head that we were given at the Chicago thing.

[170] Jay Graves, what's up?

[171] And I thought we should say.

[172] You be quiet.

[173] I thought, I think I was like, well, what if we write?

[174] Keep your hands off my cookies, because that would be funny.

[175] But I didn't do it.

[176] Because I needed a nap.

[177] That's right.

[178] Yeah.

[179] You know, some people are dedicated, and they craft, and they glue and glitter.

[180] And then some people got asleep.

[181] Some people tell a friend who's having a meetup before they go to the protest.

[182] Some people tell them that they're going to show up.

[183] They can't go to the protest because of anxiety, but they'll drive everyone to the train station.

[184] and then some people can't wake up before 7 .30, and then don't do that, and then just promise I'll take them to lunch next week.

[185] How many people were involved in this?

[186] Because were you all of them in that one?

[187] So I'm going to lunch alone next week.

[188] It's going to be right.

[189] Should we start?

[190] Sure.

[191] It feels like we should.

[192] Don't you feel like listening to a couple?

[193] Don't you feel like listening to a couple stories of...

[194] Thank all of you for being a friend.

[195] right that's a that's for sure do you what who's travel down the road and back again oh who's Matt who's first oh oh is it mean okay thank you here we go hey oh I'm gonna chill the fuck out guys I am I mean seriously refuse what don't care um my ship's here I've got to go Oh, well.

[196] Ahoy.

[197] So I decided because we're downtown, and it's such a rich and storied past that this city has, and we're in it.

[198] We're sitting in it right now, that I would do an old downtown, old -timey murder.

[199] Yes.

[200] Right?

[201] Why not?

[202] So I decided to do the murder of the L .A. Ripper.

[203] Ever heard of that guy?

[204] They're all his grandchildren.

[205] They're like, how dare you speak of my grandpappy that way?

[206] Okay.

[207] We've got to tell me everything.

[208] Okay.

[209] This was a guy named Otto Wilson.

[210] He was born in Shelbyville, Indiana.

[211] Graduated from high school in 1930.

[212] He moved to Indianapolis.

[213] He served in the Navy in 1941.

[214] And then he was given a medical discharge after his wife complained to the San Diego Naval authorities about his unnatural impulses.

[215] Oh, that's all it takes, being he wants to touch my butt.

[216] Yeah.

[217] Don't touch your butt.

[218] But what does he want to touch her butt with that makes it feel so unnatural?

[219] Like, children.

[220] Am I wrong?

[221] Stop it.

[222] Don't.

[223] Well, it turns out that before she left him, ultimately, and I guess after she made that complaint, he had cut her butt, with a razor.

[224] I wasn't wrong.

[225] You were right.

[226] No, it's kind of wrong.

[227] No, no, you're right.

[228] Her butt.

[229] Your razors and children are very similar.

[230] Hey, well, fucking, I don't know.

[231] So, there is a quote in this article.

[232] I stole, I just, it was straight up, like, cut and paste plagiarism from two things that I then forgot to take the actual names of the people who wrote these articles.

[233] And that's my favorite.

[234] So there's some very flowery language that is not my own.

[235] I'll find it and say it later with an apology and it'll be boring.

[236] But this was one of the sentences that I love that I cut and paste onto here.

[237] In the orphanage, in the Navy, in his last months of drifting, women had always subtly domineered over him.

[238] I'm sorry, but like fucking let it happen, bro.

[239] What's the problem with that?

[240] Get into being domineered over.

[241] We know our shit.

[242] Chill the fuck out, you know?

[243] I mean, it's kind of hot to be domineered over sometimes.

[244] He probably sucked at fucking.

[245] And the ship was like, can you touch me in my like normal area?

[246] He was like, domineering.

[247] Nope, undo the razor.

[248] Turn around.

[249] Fuck you, man. So, it all kind of, he was on a bender.

[250] His wife left him.

[251] Things were bad for several years.

[252] On November 15th, 1944, he had been on a two -day bender at that point.

[253] And at some point in that time, he had bought himself a butcher knife, fun.

[254] So what did he just go into, like, Macy's or something, kind of drunk?

[255] You know how you do with hot dogs at pinks, but with a butcher knife?

[256] You don't even need a license anymore to get a butcher knife.

[257] That's right.

[258] You need to get him willy -nilly.

[259] You can fucking register for one at a wedding.

[260] I mean, yeah, we've both done that.

[261] That's right.

[262] So he was at a bar, and he met a woman named Virginia Lee Griffin.

[263] It was on Main Street.

[264] Yes, dangerously close to where we are now, but quite a long time ago.

[265] She told him her name was Virgie, and she's described as a big young woman with lipstick smeared too heavily on her lips.

[266] Oh, fucking assholes.

[267] I mean, sounds like that.

[268] familiar, though.

[269] I'm into it.

[270] Hey, hi.

[271] She was married, but her husband was away, and she liked a good time.

[272] Who doesn't?

[273] So they drank together, and then they decided to go somewhere more private.

[274] And he very gallantly held her arm as they crossed the street in the rain.

[275] Like this.

[276] It's not like sweetly.

[277] All nails.

[278] He has really weirdly long nails.

[279] What if it's the guy?

[280] from the Guinness Book of World Records with the longest nails ever.

[281] He's like, do you want to go somewhere more private?

[282] No. I don't know what we're talking about anymore.

[283] So they went to the old Barclay Hotel, which at that time, I think, was relatively new.

[284] It wasn't called that.

[285] I hate to shit on someone else's writing, then I'm stealing, but I think it was pretty new back then.

[286] So apparently they say that she was overheard a saying When she walked in And this is the way it's written So I'm going to do a little voice for it Please if you don't mind Always don't mind Here's the quote And don't clap her then I won't want to do it Haven't you don't you know me yet So she looked up unsteadily as they walked into the hotel And she said I got my horoscope told Wednesday is my lucky day Oh, honey, Virgie.

[287] Also, I'm going to get moated today.

[288] Am I wrong?

[289] I mean, no, I think you're dead on.

[290] And that's how you know that astrology isn't real.

[291] I mean.

[292] Because this doesn't prove it, I don't know what else you need.

[293] So they registered as Mr. and Mrs. OS Wilson of Steubenville, Indiana.

[294] And after they'd been in the room, they had a couple drinks from a bottle of whiskey he brought.

[295] she demanded more money from him.

[296] So the funny part at that point is they hadn't really mentioned that she had gotten money before that.

[297] So she was a sex worker.

[298] Or a married lady that liked to have fun.

[299] Maybe that's the way they said it back then.

[300] Fair enough, dude.

[301] I mean, whatever.

[302] Get yours.

[303] So what he said to the cops was somehow I got sore.

[304] I socked her and then I cut her.

[305] I was going to dismember her body and get rid of it, but I found that I couldn't do it, so I left.

[306] Oh, what a gentleman.

[307] What a fucking asshole.

[308] I got sore.

[309] I socked her.

[310] I mean, that's how you know it's not from now.

[311] L -O -L.

[312] So he punched her in the face so hard that he killed her, right?

[313] No, what?

[314] No, you what?

[315] Go.

[316] No, I was listening.

[317] And now that's a better story.

[318] No, no. Okay.

[319] No, he was mad that she was like basically being kind of greedy and like, no, you know.

[320] And he, what he would do was strangle them and they would like pass out.

[321] And then he would cut them and kill them.

[322] I regret that.

[323] So when he left the hotel room, he gave the maid a dollar.

[324] And he told her not to disturb his wife.

[325] and then later on of course they found the body and it was sprawled on the bed and she had been slashed her body had been slashed open from her throat to her vagina and her entrails were pulled out it gets worse if you want to try to really orchestrate the reactions and kind of tighten it up and get it all together there's no orchestra her breasts had been cut off and an arm and a leg they were partly severed and the murder weapon a razor sharp carving knife lay near the body fuck man that guy was like halfway thrown and he's like I can't fucking do it anymore I'm tired I'm tired how many times have we said leave the eyes and the boobies alone they won't listen So he leaves the hotel after that fucking carnage, and he goes to the million -dollar theater to see Boris Karloff in The Walking Dead.

[326] I don't know, it's just fun to make some references.

[327] I don't know why pointing at everyone.

[328] You know, you love that movie and play some thing.

[329] Fucking sickos.

[330] So when the movie was done, he went to another bar.

[331] And he went and met a woman named Lillian Johnson.

[332] Uh -huh.

[333] And he took her to the Joyce Hotel, where they registered as Mr. and Mrs. OS Watson.

[334] Same day.

[335] Stop it.

[336] What an idiot, though.

[337] So he realized he, it was the same situation where he gets into the room, and then he told the cops, like, I don't know, I just got mad.

[338] I just got mad, and I hit her.

[339] but of course she was found in the exact same condition that Virgie was found in but apparently while he beat her up and then he realized that he had left his knife at the other hotel so he he shaved and then and she was like unconscious on the floor he shaves and then he takes the straight razor that he just used to shave and kills her and starts to cut her up.

[340] Then on the way out of this hotel, he stops by the desk clerk and says, my wife is sleeping, please don't disturb her.

[341] Code for, I just mortared my, this chick I just met.

[342] So witnesses from both hotels gave the cops similar descriptions.

[343] They took that information.

[344] They created a dragnet all around where we are right now.

[345] And one cop is in a bar, and he sees a man matching Otto's description in a booth in deep conversation with a brunette in a tight red dress.

[346] Oh, honey, run.

[347] So he was gonna do it again.

[348] He was, he had lit his cigarette with a matchbook and the matchbook said, the Barclay Hotel and his hands had blood on them.

[349] And the cop was like, excuse me, I'd love to speak with you for a second.

[350] Give it a week.

[351] Like, chill the...

[352] He can't.

[353] He simply has no chill.

[354] So they bring him in.

[355] He immediately confesses to both killings.

[356] He admits his compulsion toward bloodlust.

[357] And he told the police that his first wife left him because it would creep up on her when she was naked and slashed her buttocks with a razor.

[358] What the fucking fuck?

[359] I mean...

[360] That's not cool?

[361] Like one time, you're like, goodbye, like, what the fuck?

[362] Well, one time you're like, was that a mistake?

[363] Tell me now if it was a mistake.

[364] Listen, anytime you need stitches because of your fucking husband, it's time to get the fuck out of there.

[365] Why wrong?

[366] Unless.

[367] Unless.

[368] But here's the super gross part.

[369] He told the cops that his favorite pastime was kissing and licking the blood away while he apologized for his odd behavior.

[370] There's so many other past times.

[371] Like there's sailboarding and...

[372] You know how great, like, naps are?

[373] Yeah, naps, raccoons.

[374] Anything.

[375] Look up, like, raccoons in the encyclopedia.

[376] Raccoons are, like, amazing animals.

[377] They wash their own food with their little hands.

[378] Oh, my God.

[379] YouTube videos of Ravens Talking.

[380] They can talk.

[381] They talk better than parrots.

[382] Yes, it's crazy, and no one talks about it, no one knows.

[383] Everyone here is like, why are you not?

[384] It's true.

[385] It is so true.

[386] Anyhow, look, I'm going to wrap it up by saying that Dr. Victor Parkin, the defense psychiatrist, and a member of the Los Angeles Lunacy Commission.

[387] Oh, that's a thing.

[388] That's going to be a thing again.

[389] We got to bring it back, you guys.

[390] That's the next March.

[391] This man testified that Otto was in a semi -automatic state and he had no feeling...

[392] Automatic...

[393] Oh, come on.

[394] Way up top on that one.

[395] Oh, thank you.

[396] So fast.

[397] No. So terrible.

[398] It's good.

[399] Thank you.

[400] He was in a dream -like state.

[401] He didn't realize he was butchering a fellow human.

[402] I disagree.

[403] Oh, baby.

[404] And basically they said he was crazy.

[405] And so then Otto, Steve Wilson.

[406] I didn't notice that before Otto Steve Wilson was executed in the gas chamber of San Quentin in prison in September of 1946 Now it says right here, but his son Otto Steve Ray Morris Jr. Oh my God is still alive today fuck I noticed that Stephen would often scrape up against my butt with sharp things enough of that Okay, that was awesome Thanks, I appreciate it Guys, I didn't write it I just read it and interpreted it Thank you Okay, mine is also vintage Because there's a lot of sad crimes Today, but not a lot of cool ones, man Yeah, just like a bunch of shitty shit All right, so Excuse me That wasn't real, okay Do you want some die -cote?

[407] No, thank you Greystone Mansion Am I wrong also known as the Dahini Doheny murders Am I wrong?

[408] Four people, I'm not wrong You just said Doheny Mansion Am I wrong?

[409] Never!

[410] Because three people were like, yes.

[411] And I was asking them, am I wrong?

[412] No, you're never wrong.

[413] So the Greystone Mansion is a 55 -room mansion in Beverly Hills.

[414] It's built to 1928.

[415] At the time, it cost over $4 million to build and was the most expensive home in California.

[416] Whoa.

[417] And it was also known as the Doheny Mansion because it was a gift from the oil tycoon Edward Doheny to his fucking kind of shitty son, Ned.

[418] What's, why are you attacking Ned?

[419] Ned, all right, Ned might not be shitty, but okay.

[420] You know what I'm saying.

[421] If he's a Doheny, let's not be rude to Ned.

[422] He'll end us.

[423] Ned is a...

[424] Here we go.

[425] Oh.

[426] Oh, this is about Ned?

[427] Yeah.

[428] Oh, shit.

[429] I spoke too soon.

[430] I'm sorry.

[431] You don't know.

[432] So Edward Johini, the older dude, comes from a poor Irish immigrant background.

[433] Do not point at me. No, I was like...

[434] Remember that?

[435] It was only two generations ago.

[436] You did that.

[437] I did it.

[438] Okay, so in Edwards' late, like in the late 30s, which gives me hope with my life, he becomes he was super poor and then he like becomes a California oil tycoon he drills you can do it I can fucking do that right there's oil everywhere you can find it get in there so he you know you know on like La Siena guy when you're on your way to the airport and there are those like old dinosaurs like oil things like he's the guy who fucking found those oh the L .E Confidential ones yes yes and like the tarpits like that's all that's all him did he made tarpins He fucking made the tarpets.

[439] He sunk those dinosaur bones in there?

[440] Huh?

[441] So he becomes the first successful oil well guy, and, like, there will be blood.

[442] It's like, this basically him.

[443] Okay.

[444] And he makes a fucking fortune.

[445] And then he eventually owns one of the largest oil companies in the world, and this is the 1920s, where everything was cool.

[446] So his son Ned is living off the money and, like, you know, pretending to be a businessman.

[447] And then in 1913, I think he's a nice.

[448] his late teens, early 20s, he meets a man named Hugh Plunkett.

[449] And don't fucking lie.

[450] And then at the time, Hugh is working at a gas station near the house owned by like friends.

[451] And Hugh and Ned become good friends.

[452] And Hugh starts working for the Doheny family and eventually becomes Ned's personal secretary.

[453] Oh, huh?

[454] And he travels with him on business and they're like, fucking tight as shit.

[455] Okay.

[456] No, I get it.

[457] Ned rolled up to the gas station one day he's like, see that gas?

[458] My dad made that.

[459] Wash my windows.

[460] According to a family friend, their relationship was more than not a friend.

[461] And another said that they were like brothers.

[462] Brothers that made out all the time.

[463] They're enough.

[464] So in November 1921, the two of them check into a suite in this fucking place.

[465] And then Ned takes out $100 ,000, which is about $10 million in today's money, which I fucking love hearing the, oh, everyone gasped.

[466] People love money.

[467] 10 million?

[468] Like, that's, like, we could, like, we could, like, retire for five years off of that.

[469] Okay, so Ned takes it out of his bank account, and then he and Hugh go to D .C., they meet with this dude who's the secretary of the Interior for the hiring administration, and they'll Albert Fall and then he and okay so this dude Albert Fall is a friend of the older dude Doheny and they hand him the money and in return Fall gives them a promissory note and then I slept through history literally and fucking was on drugs okay so basically there's some kind of an oily business deal going down you guys remember the words teapot dome scandal?

[470] This is it.

[471] I don't know if I can know.

[472] Okay, something happens.

[473] Like, Fall gives Doheny a bunch of shit and a bunch of oil stuff in exchange for the hundred bucks, so it's like super shady and shit.

[474] And then, so Albert Fall is eventually charged with conspiracy to defraud the United States as part of the Teapot Dome scandal.

[475] That's not a problem anymore, apparently.

[476] Give everyone money and get fucked yourself.

[477] The hearing, Ned, so Ned, the son, has to testify against his pop and he says that you know he's like no we didn't do anything wrong and Ned and Hugh his fucking boyfriend they're implicated and da da da da they okay so at the end the dad gets acquitted kind of and so as Ned's loyalty he builds him the Greystone Manor okay oh shit all right I forgot about that part yeah we're back we're back in at the Greystone Manor.

[478] Remember that biggest house you've ever heard of in your life?

[479] Can I just tell you really quick?

[480] I went and saw a play done in the Greystone Manor.

[481] No, you didn't.

[482] Yes, where you walk around, the play is happening.

[483] You went to the Greystone Manor?

[484] Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they do a thing.

[485] I think maybe it's for Christmas or something, but you walk around like you're at this party and then the actors are around you.

[486] I hate shit like that so much.

[487] I think it's so embarrassing to be that close to like an actor.

[488] Hello, my lady.

[489] Oh, I have a vest.

[490] Don't.

[491] I was like, oh, don't look at me. But anyway, yeah.

[492] But the house itself was lovely.

[493] That's amazing.

[494] No, that's fucking awesome.

[495] Okay, all right.

[496] Okay.

[497] Then Karen Kilgare was there.

[498] Yes, finally.

[499] Okay, so he starts going fucking crazy at this point because he's like, I have to, I'm just like a poor dude and I have to fucking testify against maybe my lover and his pops and blah, blah, blah.

[500] So, on February 16th, 1929, Hugh, this is the gas station dude, he lets himself into the main house because he had a key and he used to hang out in this room, like, he was his bedroom sometimes.

[501] I'm going to belch really soon.

[502] Do it.

[503] Okay.

[504] So Ned and Hugh, they meet in this guest bedroom and Hughes flip the fuck out apparently.

[505] And then around 11 o 'clock, Lucy, the wife of Ned, who's like a fucking staunched.

[506] Catholic, here's a shot while she's in the living room, reading magazines.

[507] And who does she call?

[508] To be like, I heard a shot.

[509] The police?

[510] No. The doctor, the family doctor.

[511] Who are you going to say?

[512] Batman.

[513] No. No, no, I just say, rich people never call the cops.

[514] No, called the fucking doctor.

[515] Call your lawyer.

[516] You can call your...

[517] Anyone.

[518] And there's so many people.

[519] The thing is, help me. An uncle.

[520] I'm not going to name people, sorry.

[521] So he arrived.

[522] Okay, so the doctor says to the cops that he hears Hugh yelling at them from this place not to come into the room.

[523] And then there's the second shot.

[524] And when the doctor goes in, he finds both men.

[525] And their whole story is that Ned had been shot by Hugh and he would shot himself like a murder suicide.

[526] And then I wrote, Suspicious Shit.

[527] I really, it's right there.

[528] okay, here's some suspicious shit.

[529] Ned's gun, the fucking Doheny dude's gun, was the murder weapon.

[530] Super weird, right?

[531] And before the police were called, the bodies had been moved from their original position.

[532] And the body, and the police weren't called until 2 a .m. So the first shot was at 11 p .m. And the fucking cops are called 2 a .m. So they were moving stuff around.

[533] Well, yeah, the fucking bodies were moved.

[534] And the detective, and so what it looked like is that Ned was shot.

[535] by Doheny in the head.

[536] And then Doheny, who had a, like, a lit cigarette in his hand, had, like, landed on the gun after killing himself.

[537] Suspicious shit, right?

[538] Yeah.

[539] But there were powder burns on the hole in Doheny's head, which means the gun had been less than three inches away from his head and killed himself, which usually points to suicide.

[540] And there was no powder burns on Hugh, which every fucking person here is ever watching a fucking discovery idea.

[541] thing knows that, like, you check for powder burns.

[542] Yeah.

[543] And that's who shoots the fucking gun.

[544] There weren't any.

[545] Uh, da, da, da, da, okay, but within hours, the DA's office holds a press conference and, like, no, this murder -suicide, and, like, this poor person killed this rich person and, like, close the fucking case, no autopsy's nothing, which is, like, you're in charge of the media at that point.

[546] Okay, so here are some theories.

[547] One was that it was a murder suicide, um, but that Ned and Hugh had been together and that Ned and Hugh had been called to testify on the bribery trials but that Ned had been assured immunity and Hugh had not and he felt betrayed.

[548] Which is true.

[549] Ned was assured immunity against his father.

[550] He was not.

[551] They were throwing him under the bus.

[552] Yeah, they were going to make the poor guy take the fault.

[553] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[554] Fuck this dude.

[555] For Albert Fall.

[556] Right.

[557] Oh, yeah.

[558] The other was that Ned and Hugh were lovers, okay.

[559] And that they had a fight and that Lucy caught them, the wife of Ned caught them and killed them herself, which is why I shouldn't call the cops immediately.

[560] And what supports either of the lover, that they were lover's stories and that they killed each other in a lover's quarrel is that they were both buried in Forest Lawn, which is a secular cemetery, but the Doheny family were devout Catholics, and you don't, you can't bury someone in a Catholic cemetery if they killed themselves.

[561] Oh, yeah, that's right.

[562] Because suicide is a, what do you call it, number one sin.

[563] Cardinal, venial.

[564] Here we go.

[565] Catholicness.

[566] Who went there?

[567] Baruchata.

[568] Okay.

[569] So, okay, or that they were lovers and everyone knew it.

[570] And so they were buried like within a few feet of each other.

[571] In this secular fucking place.

[572] All right.

[573] And so they were buried together and close by, and so no one really knows why they killed each other, or who killed who and why.

[574] But it seems very suspicious.

[575] And also, because of the sympathy that they had for Doheny, having his son being killed, his investigation was basically called off, which makes everyone think that maybe the senior Doheny fucking killed both of them.

[576] Oh, whoa.

[577] to get them to shut the fuck up.

[578] Because he was getting off?

[579] Yeah.

[580] Because he got off because of his kid getting murdered.

[581] So basically anybody in that family could have murdered them.

[582] Yeah.

[583] Christmas was fun, I bet.

[584] At their house.

[585] Okay.

[586] So now it's a city park now.

[587] And so everyone lets meet there tomorrow.

[588] You can go there now and just have tours and just chilling up a fucking picnic.

[589] It's pretty amazing.

[590] It's an amazing house.

[591] It's pretty cool.

[592] It's supposedly beautiful, but it's also supposed to be haunted.

[593] I hope so.

[594] Yeah.

[595] If all that happened.

[596] Dude.

[597] Yeah.

[598] All right, nice one.

[599] Hey, look, those are our murders.

[600] Thanks.

[601] Was that it?

[602] Are we done?

[603] Well, we now have some special guests to bring out because, as you know, yes, it's very exciting.

[604] This is the portion of our show that we normally do hometown murders, and so we thought it would be fun.

[605] to have our two friends, our brother podcast, you might want to say, from the dollop, Dave Anthony and Gary Reynolds.

[606] How do you surround us?

[607] Yeah, that's nice.

[608] And you get that, and you get that.

[609] Really take the stage.

[610] Thank you.

[611] So, Ned and who's the other guy?

[612] What?

[613] Oh, Hugh.

[614] They were totally fucking because someone came in and saw I'm fucking and then they killed them and then they put their clothes on and moved them around.

[615] You first heard about that.

[616] They moved them around.

[617] They put their clothes on.

[618] The after murder dress.

[619] Why else would you be moving them around?

[620] No, for sure.

[621] All of it.

[622] I didn't want to say that because I'm not a fucking...

[623] They were totally getting it on.

[624] Okay.

[625] You've been clear.

[626] We all have theories day.

[627] We heard you guys have hometown murders.

[628] I don't have a hometown murder.

[629] So last time I was on, I did my hometown murder.

[630] Yeah.

[631] So there's a murderer that everybody who listens to the dollup has always been like, you have to do this one.

[632] And I'm like, we don't do murders.

[633] In a couple ways.

[634] What do you mean?

[635] We don't murder people and we don't cover them.

[636] Oh, we've actually started murdering people.

[637] Oh, that's his.

[638] Well, I'll bring you in on it.

[639] Thank you.

[640] You guys need to have a team meeting.

[641] We should have a meeting.

[642] It's been too long, turns out.

[643] We're not communicating.

[644] I've been killing our fans.

[645] Okay, well, we should catch up more often, I think.

[646] You know how you keep losing one fan a week?

[647] Yeah.

[648] Hey, this is exciting.

[649] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[650] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

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[683] Here's the murder.

[684] Okay, so I'm going to tell you guys.

[685] So my uncle...

[686] Oh, wait, Dave, sorry.

[687] I'm so sorry.

[688] Yeah, go ahead.

[689] I am, Dave.

[690] I just remembered something.

[691] That I used to slash your buttocks when we dated.

[692] Oh, that's the scars.

[693] How dare you speak of our secrets this way?

[694] At the Orpham.

[695] You know that you guys did, that we did the Tylenol murders.

[696] Oh, my God.

[697] And then we did the Baguan Shui.

[698] Rajneesh, which I didn't know that you guys had just in it.

[699] Yes, they did it at the same time.

[700] Don't fucking write our cootails, man. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[701] I feel, we put out the Tylenol like within hours of each other, right?

[702] Yes.

[703] But you guys did it from the murder perspective, and we did it from the like fun perspective.

[704] Yeah, I mean.

[705] The commercial tie -in.

[706] It was a brand -ed episode for us.

[707] Oh, you guys got sponsored.

[708] That's cool.

[709] A lot of free Tylenol out of that one.

[710] Oh, nice.

[711] Yeah, they're big players, too.

[712] Lucky.

[713] Oh, yeah, we got a lot of swag.

[714] They're very popular company.

[715] What kind of swag does Tylenol put in?

[716] Oh, my God.

[717] The list goes on and on.

[718] They give you free Tylenol?

[719] Uh -huh.

[720] You know, it just never ends.

[721] The gel caps.

[722] Oh, yeah, gel caps and the other ones, the white ones, the chalky ones.

[723] The dry ones?

[724] The dry ones.

[725] The dry ones.

[726] You're welcome.

[727] Shirt.

[728] Yeah.

[729] Tylenol, it says.

[730] Question mark.

[731] Yeah, with four Ys and a question mark.

[732] Just how they like it.

[733] Just like the expression.

[734] Tyler no That's what they said in the 40s But we admitted to a different perspective that the fucking guy Kept admitting to it and he didn't do it Like the guy who they thought did it It's a very good guy, yeah It's some guy out there who's still out there That guy's still out there He's like staring at Exedrin It's the Unabomber, dude Like he's ready to go, that guy You think it's a Unabomber?

[735] A hundred fucking percent, yes It could totally be the Unabomber.

[736] It's fucking the Unabomber I promise you.

[737] Koresh, right?

[738] Nope.

[739] Not Koresh.

[740] Koresh is dead.

[741] 100 % the Unabomber.

[742] Koresh?

[743] That is why I love you.

[744] The unabomber, Ted Bundy.

[745] None of you are here for fucking facts.

[746] Don't fucking come at me. I don't know what I'm talking about.

[747] I'm embarrassed.

[748] Sorry, I interrupted you anyway.

[749] Kresh.

[750] Kresh didn't make it.

[751] He burned up in a house with some people.

[752] Yes.

[753] He's an angel.

[754] I believe in him.

[755] Kaczynski.

[756] Kaczynski.

[757] Same thing.

[758] Don't people also think of it?

[759] He is the San Francisco Zodiac?

[760] That's stupid.

[761] That's stupid.

[762] Right.

[763] It's Ted Cruz.

[764] We're going to solve it all tonight.

[765] Yeah, it's really, we're knocking a lot down.

[766] Sorry, Dave, tell yours.

[767] Yeah.

[768] Yeah.

[769] Okay.

[770] Karen knows what mine is.

[771] I should have brought it up.

[772] Should I had it on my iPad.

[773] Ken McIlroy.

[774] No, that's not right.

[775] No, it is.

[776] It's McKellroy.

[777] I didn't even notice that when I was writing it.

[778] M -C -E -L -R -O -Y.

[779] McElroy, right?

[780] We're all on drugs.

[781] This fucking name is killing it.

[782] Should have seen that coming.

[783] He's born in 1934.

[784] He was the 15th of 16 children.

[785] What?

[786] Is he a rabbit?

[787] Yeah.

[788] The fuck.

[789] Listen.

[790] It was just like how Caviar's birth.

[791] run be free children all of you now oh my god that is just like the baby comes out and he's like let's do it again do you even like know your parents if you're the 15th of 16 no no you're eldest brother's like I'm called dad that's a broken pussy if I've ever fucking it's from a show it's not me being gross total BP they lived in a four bedroom house so let's do some math.

[792] Oh no. Yeah, that's not great.

[793] 32 people to a room?

[794] That's exactly right, Karen.

[795] Your math is exactly right.

[796] He never learned to read well.

[797] He never really had a great job.

[798] He quit school in the fifth grade.

[799] I wonder why he never got a good job.

[800] I don't know.

[801] Is there any facts about that?

[802] I don't know.

[803] They lived outside of Skidmore, Missouri, a town of about 450 people.

[804] Has two paved streets.

[805] They were all of It's our town Two paved streets, no traffic lights One small mom and pop store A gas station cafe, that's it It's the whole deal So he started stealing Animals Sure He started stealing animals Before he was 18 years old He bought an old sedan And he took the back seat out And he put plywood down and then he'd drive around a night and steal pigs Oh, all right I mean Okay Well, you had a plan It's Missouri You know, it's classic Missouri For some reason it's like When you picture like dogs or cats It's like oh God And it's like he stole pigs And it's like this is funny I like this story Well he would sell them He would take He would steal them and sell them To someone who wanted to buy pigs That's better than killing pigs I mean, oh yeah, no, he wasn't taking them out and killing him.

[806] He was like, do you want to buy them?

[807] I feel like they eventually kill them now.

[808] I don't care enough.

[809] Yeah, I mean, people are eating these pigs.

[810] At the end, at the end, the story's not great for the pigs.

[811] Wait, they don't just want to feed them peppermints and put them on YouTube?

[812] I'm not sure you've ever been to a farm.

[813] But that's a great farm, if they ever have, what that one?

[814] How am I doing?

[815] They're all very sick from the peppermint, actually.

[816] Across the board.

[817] they're sad their eyes are burning I'll be honest they're not two are dead they're not doing well they should not have adjusted all that what are you feeding a peppermint that's why my bacon sucks or is great so he married for the first time at the age of 18 she was 16 they moved briefly to Denver but he couldn't keep a job there so he and his wife moved back he started hanging out with, quote, coon hunting buddies.

[818] Raccoons.

[819] You guys earlier was talking about raccoons.

[820] You were making this sound cute.

[821] They are horrible monsters.

[822] No, that's not fair.

[823] That's not fair.

[824] That's not fair.

[825] So, I don't know what...

[826] They tell stories about you.

[827] Oh, this asshole, he's like...

[828] You know?

[829] They do that about you.

[830] Actually, can I tell a true story?

[831] Yeah.

[832] One time, I heard a noise at my back door in the middle of the night.

[833] I was scared shitless, but I had to go see.

[834] This was before I got a dog.

[835] And I had to go see by myself.

[836] So it was like a weird tapping sound.

[837] And so I go over and I turn on the porch light at the back and there was a raccoon that was trying to get through the like built -in cat door.

[838] Oh shit.

[839] Like with his little raccoon hands.

[840] And when I flicked on the light, he kind of like sat up and looked at me and then we were just staring at each other.

[841] Yeah, that's what they do.

[842] I kicked the door, right?

[843] Like that.

[844] He's leaned over like this, you know, kind of trying to tap on the thing.

[845] And then I kicked the door thinking he's going to run away.

[846] And instead he goes, and just kind of like stood up and paused at him.

[847] Did he do this?

[848] And that's her, that's her dog, Frank.

[849] Now.

[850] He fucking.

[851] Okay, so I'm in my back.

[852] It's not worth the act out at all.

[853] I'm in my backyard.

[854] I'm going to do an act out.

[855] I'm in my backyard.

[856] Do it.

[857] And I hear all this noise.

[858] And I'm like, well, there's raccoons getting in the dog or, cat's food, one of the other, and so I go out there and I grab a bat because I know raccoons are terrifying.

[859] I'm not like her where I'm like, hi, raccoon.

[860] I have a bat.

[861] To be fair.

[862] And I come out and there's a raccoon and it comes out.

[863] And it's like this in front of me and I'm like, what are you doing?

[864] I tap the bat on the ground.

[865] It's like, what?

[866] His stance got wider?

[867] He's like, what are you doing?

[868] He had a bat too.

[869] And I'm like, and I'm like, you're supposed to to be scared, and he's like, I'm not scared.

[870] You're doing his voice or he's spelled.

[871] And so I'm doing that.

[872] I'm like, get out of here, you fucker.

[873] And then he's standing there, and he's making himself big, and then his four buddies go truck and buy.

[874] Oh, shit.

[875] Like, he was fucking, he was like the distraction guy.

[876] They were flanking him.

[877] So his house could run all.

[878] Terrifying.

[879] He's like, when there's the midnight bicycle riders, and one of them stops in the middle of the fucking intersection.

[880] And they're like, fuck you.

[881] And I'm like, Why you're going to ride, guys.

[882] Get on, get on.

[883] Go, go, go.

[884] All of you.

[885] You fucking out.

[886] You fucking fix gear, motherfuckers.

[887] Midnight ride.

[888] Raccons.

[889] Am I right?

[890] I feel like we got that.

[891] This derailed.

[892] So he goes out hunting with his buddies and they shoot raccoons.

[893] And I assume they eat them.

[894] What else would you do with them?

[895] Make a hat.

[896] Delightful raccoon.

[897] But mostly what he did at night was steal cattle, horses, and hogs.

[898] He now had a horse trailer that he, used to move stolen animals.

[899] And in this part of Missouri, they didn't really brand animals, so it was super easy for him to steal.

[900] He was also very skilled at harassing witnesses.

[901] Oh.

[902] He had an attorney who he would retain for $5 ,000 per felony who would keep him out of jail.

[903] And this was not a problem because he had a lot of money.

[904] He was always living large.

[905] He had a big roll of cash in his truck.

[906] He was driving a new...

[907] Pigs?

[908] Was it pig money?

[909] He's stealing and cattle and horses and selling other people.

[910] So he had that fuck you pig money.

[911] Fuck you pig money, yeah.

[912] Like the 450 people in his fucking town were like, wait a minute.

[913] Nobody else.

[914] And also someone was like, I'm gonna marry him.

[915] Like what's the wrong with him?

[916] He's got it all.

[917] One time a farmer caught him stealing two horses.

[918] Tortoises.

[919] Two tortoises.

[920] What you do with my tortoises, boy?

[921] they ran into my car I haven't milk them yet ran well we can move so the farmer reported it to the cops and said this guy stole my horses and filed charges and McElroy visited the farmer the next day with a rifle and hit him in the face with the butt of the gun and then the farmer dropped the charges he was like that's fair I see your point.

[922] I'm on your side now.

[923] When McElroy was 20, he had a child with a woman who is not his wife.

[924] At the same time, he was dating a 15 -year -old girl.

[925] What the fuck?

[926] What the fuck?

[927] Like this guy, dude, this guy gets so many fucking chicks.

[928] Yeah, he's a very hot prospect in town.

[929] Well, he's got the pig car.

[930] Yeah, he smells like pig.

[931] I mean, this girl is named Sharon, and they had a complicated and messy relationship.

[932] And one day they were arguing, and he shot her in the neck with a shotgun.

[933] Because, oh, my God.

[934] I don't know if you've ever dated a 15 -year -old.

[935] What's that?

[936] They sass you.

[937] It's harsh.

[938] We're not okay.

[939] Domestic violence.

[940] This is not okay.

[941] Don't fucking marry pig stealers.

[942] Yeah.

[943] No, it's not.

[944] I'm not saying it's a super big warning sign if someone's a pig steal.

[945] Red bit.

[946] Or show her.

[947] Yeah.

[948] Go on.

[949] She did not die, but she did have scars, because that'll happen.

[950] She was okay?

[951] Yeah, she lived after getting shot.

[952] Well, she was hella mad.

[953] Yeah, I mean, she had a fear of guns after it, some irrational fear.

[954] And she felt like dating someone else.

[955] After that.

[956] Nope, she forgave him.

[957] Good, good, good, good.

[958] And he divorced his first wife and married her.

[959] Listen, if a girl can take a fucking bullet, she can take me, you know what I mean.

[960] They had two kids.

[961] then around Wow Yeah It's quite a turn around You know what Love is fucking awesome Stupid Crazy Then around Then around 1961 McRoy started dating A 13 year old girl What's going around What He's just Like it's like slowly inched it back Creepier and creepier It started and it wasn't okay Yeah And then now we're He might just be walking Down the hallway At a junior high You know what I mean Yeah He's just lazy You.

[962] You.

[963] Hey, you.

[964] They'll meet you out by the jungle gym.

[965] So he's 27 at this point.

[966] Yeah, 27 -year -olds are fucking disgusting.

[967] We all know that.

[968] Also, at this point, he's living with his parents.

[969] Oh, my, he's like this guy.

[970] Dream dates.

[971] Wait a minute.

[972] You live with your parents.

[973] Smell like pigs.

[974] shoot girls?

[975] You're still available?

[976] Oh, you're not.

[977] I'm still in.

[978] I'm still in.

[979] Yeah, so they have a farmhouse.

[980] So he moved Sally in with his parents and his wife Sharon.

[981] So it's his girlfriend and his wife and his parents and their kids.

[982] What?

[983] He liked sex.

[984] He was the 15th of 16.

[985] So Sally Very common for that.

[986] Birth order.

[987] Oh, you know how the 15th is.

[988] I'm the 15th.

[989] I do this crazy shit.

[990] I'm acting out.

[991] So Sally had three kids, and Sharon had two more.

[992] Oh, honey.

[993] Macquarie then met and started seeing another underage girl named Alice.

[994] No. In 1964.

[995] Yeah.

[996] Seriously.

[997] Wait.

[998] She was 12.

[999] No. Shut up.

[1000] What?

[1001] Shut up.

[1002] I wish the story would end that all the ladies fucking murdered him and moved to New York.

[1003] City, and then like became, you know, like, who's the ruckets.

[1004] Okay, that's what I was going to say, this is the story of the Rockettes.

[1005] But it doesn't.

[1006] That's how the Rock Cats began.

[1007] And then he met a young woman named Marcia.

[1008] She was now living there.

[1009] And then, so it's Marcia and Alice who live in his parents' house with the six kids, and then he met 12 -year -old.

[1010] A lot of Brady Bunch commonalities right there.

[1011] Then he met 12 -year -old Trina, Jan, who was an eighth grader, and he seduced her.

[1012] No, he didn't.

[1013] He, like, gave her candy and then molest...

[1014] That's not seduction, dude.

[1015] That's a very good point.

[1016] It's not seduction.

[1017] It's not seduction?

[1018] No. It's not like, he fucking put these sexy moves.

[1019] He was just like, I'm a...

[1020] I am a man, you're a girl.

[1021] That's what seduction is.

[1022] Yeah.

[1023] This is my pig.

[1024] have you ever seen a pig and then you're in your sedan on the wood floor he's 37 by the way oh at this point but he looks great he looks fucking awesome his abs are crazy so to have Trina moved in he kicks out Marsha he's like you're old you're like 13 So then Trina moves in, drops out of school in the ninth grade, and is pregnant by the time she's 14.

[1025] But as awesome as the sounds, things weren't going that well because just 16 days after the birth, Alice took off to her parents' house.

[1026] The escape lasted just hours because McElroy came to the home with a gun and forced the girls to come back with him.

[1027] Oh, Alice, her other friend, who's there now?

[1028] Whatever.

[1029] The other one also went with her.

[1030] Maureen?

[1031] Maureen.

[1032] Let's call her Maureen.

[1033] Maureen goes back also.

[1034] Brought in for sweeps, Maureen.

[1035] So then he brings them back, and he beats them both.

[1036] Oh, good.

[1037] Great.

[1038] Made them.

[1039] You mean seduces.

[1040] Yes.

[1041] And made them have sex with them, and then, which I believe is called rape.

[1042] Yes.

[1043] All right.

[1044] And then when he was done, he brought Trina back to her parents' house and shot the family dog.

[1045] Oh, no, you can't do that here.

[1046] Yeah, and then poured gas all around the house and burned it down.

[1047] Jesus.

[1048] So he is en fuego.

[1049] Like, he's just fucking, as far as being horrible, he's killing it.

[1050] Yeah, he's doing it.

[1051] very well.

[1052] Oh, man. God, like, just fucking chill out.

[1053] Yeah.

[1054] Just chill out.

[1055] It's not a solution, Georgia.

[1056] No, it is.

[1057] It won't work.

[1058] I'm not sure.

[1059] If someone had walked in and gone, dude, chill.

[1060] We don't know what would have happened.

[1061] We don't.

[1062] We don't.

[1063] A couple of days later, Trina went to a doctor because, you know, she had been beaten, and he was like, you look like you've been beaten.

[1064] You're very good.

[1065] is this doctor from the city he really knows his stuff boy your degrees are real huh you put the nail on the head duck he slowly got the story of the beating out of her and the dog shooting and the arson and the doctor he must have just been like at the end like all right every detail give me all get them all out now six hours later really So the doctor contacts the social welfare agency who put Trina and her baby into foster care because she was a child and then the case was taken to the district attorney and on the basis of Trina's testimony McRoy is indicted for arson, assault, and rape but it was not looking good.

[1066] He was represented by defense attorney Richard Jean McFadden who said McFadden who said McElroy was his favorite client because he always paid cash and he always came back.

[1067] Oh, wow.

[1068] Get your shit another.

[1069] What the fuck is wrong with you, dude?

[1070] That's the worst.

[1071] Hey, you're back.

[1072] Who'd you kill?

[1073] All right.

[1074] Would you shoot a pig or a person?

[1075] What'd you do?

[1076] A person dog house.

[1077] All right.

[1078] Trifecta.

[1079] All right.

[1080] I'm going to buy a houseboat.

[1081] Time for me to live on a boat.

[1082] But even with the His 5 ,000 per felony charge, the attorney told him it would be difficult for him to be acquitted.

[1083] But McRoy would not give up.

[1084] He found the foster home where Trina was living and began to make threatening phone calls.

[1085] He would sit out in front of the foster home for hours and hours, sometimes shooting a gun into the air.

[1086] What?

[1087] He then called the foster family.

[1088] He's a fucking nerd.

[1089] Yeah.

[1090] It's a cartoon.

[1091] It sounds like a cartoon.

[1092] What about this isn't working?

[1093] Did I not tell you this was Yosemite Sam?

[1094] Oh!

[1095] Yosemni Sam origin story.

[1096] Then he called the foster family and said he would trade court girl for girl to get his child back.

[1097] By this he meant, he knew where the foster family's biological daughter went to school and what bus she rode.

[1098] So that didn't go well.

[1099] And the district attorney then hit him with eight more felony child molestation charges as a result of his sexual activity with Trina.

[1100] The attorney kept using delay tactics, and after a while, Trina decided to go back to McElroy.

[1101] I can't go through this again with you, Dave.

[1102] He then arranged to divorce his second wife, Sharon, from whom he'd been separated for years, and married Trina.

[1103] To get Trina's parents to agree, he threatened to kill the mother, and the mother was like, okay, you can marry my daughter.

[1104] We like him.

[1105] It's sweet.

[1106] It's romantic.

[1107] I mean, like, oh, my God.

[1108] So this solved all his legal problems because being his wife, Trina, could not be compelled to testify against him.

[1109] Oh, shit.

[1110] She also signed a statement saying she had lied about everything, and McElroy beat the charges.

[1111] And her.

[1112] His wife.

[1113] And her.

[1114] In 1976, he shot a neighbor farmer in the face and stomach.

[1115] The gun was loaded with birdshot The lawyer also delayed it as long as possible While Macrooy intimidated the farmer Driving by his house, Shining a spotlight into his windows at night Destroying his tractors And shooting guns into the air The farmer said McElroy parked outside his home At least a hundred times And would just sit there At the trial, two of his raccoon hunting buddies Said they were with him the day of the shooting And McElroy got off again.

[1116] The pattern committing crimes then intimidating witnesses went on for four years.

[1117] Then, in 1980, two of his daughters went into a town store.

[1118] So he's got two daughters.

[1119] One's like a teenager, and the other's five.

[1120] And he marries one of them.

[1121] Both of them.

[1122] It just can't get worse.

[1123] So the older girl buys something, and then as they walk out, the five -year -old girl grabs a couple little pieces of candy.

[1124] I did that.

[1125] I did.

[1126] And the clerk was like, hey, put that ship back and then the girl was like and threw it back and was mad which is cool for a five year old and then a couple hours later McElroy and Trina showed up and McElroy was just kicking it with a knife and Trina and the owner argued about how she had treated he had treated the daughter and then the couple said well you're banned from our store you can never come back so McElroy started harassing the owners and then after a couple months he pulled up in the back of the store and shot the husband owner in the neck with a shotgun.

[1127] And he lived.

[1128] Everybody in the...

[1129] This whole city is filled with people with their most powerful necks.

[1130] Titanium necks.

[1131] Yes.

[1132] What is it?

[1133] The water?

[1134] Or, like...

[1135] Their necks are bulletproof.

[1136] It's so strange.

[1137] But...

[1138] Like, cool.

[1139] Now, McElroy was arrested again, and then he started harassing the store owner.

[1140] Can he calm the fuck down, man?

[1141] He needs to stop harassing and shooting in the neck.

[1142] Yeah.

[1143] And the air.

[1144] And marrying children.

[1145] There's a lot of things for him to knock off.

[1146] Dude's got a thing.

[1147] Like, he's his thing.

[1148] We hate his thing.

[1149] Well.

[1150] We're being very clear.

[1151] I mean, take it up with Pepsi because they were sponsoring him.

[1152] For doing all this?

[1153] Yeah.

[1154] Oh.

[1155] He had like four sponsors.

[1156] Was this like, what's the extreme sports thing when you're a consensual?

[1157] He's like X -Games.

[1158] X -Games.

[1159] He did it all on a little bike.

[1160] O .G. X -G.

[1161] X -G.

[1162] So he starts harassing the store owners, and then when he heard that the town minister had gone to visit the store owner in the hospital, because of his neck wound, he turned his wrath on the minister and told the minister he was going to castrate him and cut his son to pieces in front of him.

[1163] Chill.

[1164] So the minister started carrying a gun.

[1165] Yes.

[1166] This is a good town.

[1167] Get it.

[1168] I like that just because the minister went and visited him, he's like, well, I'm going to cut your kid up if you're...

[1169] He's like, it's my job.

[1170] I go and I see people that are hurt.

[1171] God gets me. I'm cutting your balls off.

[1172] I'm not laughing at that.

[1173] So his lawyer's whole thing was delay tactics.

[1174] So he starts to the delay tactics again.

[1175] He keeps delaying the trial.

[1176] Meanwhile, McElroy would sit in the local bar and talk loudly about how he was going to kill the store owner.

[1177] But it didn't work.

[1178] The bar was empty and it was like three.

[1179] people, and he was talking loudly in it.

[1180] I can hear you.

[1181] I'm going to kill him.

[1182] Fuck up, dude.

[1183] Sick of that guy, right?

[1184] Someone should shoot him in the neck.

[1185] Okay, I will.

[1186] So, it didn't work.

[1187] There was a trial, and McElroy was convicted of second -degree assault and sentenced to two years in prison.

[1188] But...

[1189] But...

[1190] It being Missouri, he was allowed to stay free while he appealed.

[1191] Okay.

[1192] That's nice.

[1193] Four days later, he was back in the local bar.

[1194] Hey, how'd your conviction go?

[1195] Oh, it was all right.

[1196] Guilty.

[1197] Guilty, totally fucking guilty.

[1198] Here I am drinking a beer.

[1199] And then Trina came in and handed him a large gun.

[1200] He said he was going to kill the store owner.

[1201] But having a gun was a violation of his parole, so he was charged.

[1202] on the Davis hearing for his parole violation the entire town decided they had had enough Yeah I like the sound of this After 20 years of them fucking all their daughters All right That's it Very familiar You know what When you broke your probation Uh uh bro Bro show up in little pink hats and fucking march wasn't one of those kind of things echoes but when they got to the courthouse they found out the lawyer had gotten it postponed for 10 days now they were pissed and they finally decided they needed to do something and they all went to the American Legion I love that in this little town they do have an American Legion you have to a great bar there that in the Sam's Club So they have a town meeting and they call the sheriff and ask the sheriff to come by The sheriff comes by and they tell them what's going on And the sheriff told them that they should just start A neighborhood watch group That's good So he's not very helpful Meet Agent McGruff He's going to help you with this case Find him very useful So there's a guy who's been Fucking your daughters and shooting you in the next you need like a watch group have you guys made any kind of a phone tree or anything called each other you guys pamphleting what's your deal he told them not to confront mackleroy and then the sheriff just left goodbye they were but like they all had titanium necks yes at this point they all have front that motherfucker metal neck guards right then Trina and McElroy show up and went to the bar for a drink.

[1203] When the townspeople heard this, they all decided to go have a beer.

[1204] Trina was said to be very intimidated by all of the townspeople standing around.

[1205] While McElroy coolly finished his beer, went up and bought a six -pack, and then went outside.

[1206] Outside, there were three or four guys, and they got their rifles out of their trucks.

[1207] Yeah.

[1208] And then the entire crowd came out of the bar and followed him to his truck.

[1209] And it was said there were at the very least 35 people, but probably more like 60, all standing there.

[1210] And Trina and McRoy then got inside the truck, and he coolly lit his cigarette.

[1211] And then Trina looked across the street and saw a man aiming a rifle, and she yelled, they've got a gun.

[1212] And then they shot at him from more than one direction.

[1213] McElroy was hit once in the head and once in the neck and the shot The head wound It was the head wound You gotta shoot in the neck in this town You got to Legally Welcome to Neckville, motherfucker Many other shots at the truck All the shots came from different guns And McElroy died instantly From the gun shots No It's from sadness Oh depression got him About suicide.

[1214] About suicide.

[1215] It looks like he did it to himself.

[1216] About 40 minutes later, they called an ambulance.

[1217] Wow.

[1218] I'm sorry about it.

[1219] That's sarcastic, actually.

[1220] Unfortunately, no one saw the shooter.

[1221] Oh, yeah.

[1222] No one in the crowd.

[1223] Except Trina, who identified him, she was in the truck, you know, and she saw him.

[1224] But the DA declined to press charges because everyone was like, I didn't.

[1225] Because he was there, too.

[1226] He was the guy hitting him with the iron pan on the head.

[1227] The FBI came in to investigate, but they also could not press any charges because everyone of the town was like, I don't know.

[1228] He left behind ten children, ten wonderful children, and a few wives.

[1229] After his death, cattle and hog wrestling in the county dropped some.

[1230] Significantly.

[1231] Aw.

[1232] In 1984, Trina filed a $6 million lawsuit against the town and the sheriff and the mayor and the guy who had shot him across the street.

[1233] The case was settled out of court for $17 ,000.

[1234] Oh.

[1235] That's all I'm making tonight.

[1236] So she bought a Yaris?

[1237] That's pretty cool.

[1238] Oans, though.

[1239] Fully owns.

[1240] Fully owns a YARIS.

[1241] So that's my favorite.

[1242] murder.

[1243] That's pretty good.

[1244] But God.

[1245] He was a fucking monster and they killed him.

[1246] That was 1981 and they killed him and everyone was like, I love it.

[1247] What are you going to do?

[1248] We'll get there again.

[1249] We're on our way.

[1250] Let's kill on our again.

[1251] Gareth.

[1252] Okay, great.

[1253] I'll go.

[1254] Nice Dave.

[1255] Nice Dave.

[1256] That's good.

[1257] Thank you.

[1258] You know what?

[1259] The last time I came on I wrote a story about a guy from my hometown who killed women and I can't do those stories because I feel weird as a guy reading well you're sexist well to that point I'll get into mine this is about men men killing women right it's the same story as yours a different interpretation totally different take I do it from the pig angle so this will be fun I'm from Milwaukee Wisconsin so ripe for murders we have Ed Gein Skin Ottomans, Dahmer, obvious choice.

[1260] Skin Ottomans?

[1261] Did he make actual Ottomans?

[1262] Well, I don't.

[1263] I haven't seen the whole collection.

[1264] He made a nipple belt.

[1265] Yeah, he made a nipple belt.

[1266] He made a C -B -2.

[1267] I might have taken some creative liberties.

[1268] As we all know, Stephen Avery.

[1269] So this is another story.

[1270] This is about the Northside Strangler, who is actually, this is some more good detective work.

[1271] So in October 10th and 11th, 1986, two sex workers.

[1272] Deborah Harris, Tanya Miller were both strangled one day apart both bodies found in vacant apartments since they were both strangled sex workers found in empty apartments, day apart, cops thought there might be a link.

[1273] So it shows you they're pretty good there.

[1274] That's surprising.

[1275] Yeah, stay there they're not stupid.

[1276] However, this was before they were collecting DNA or DNA was shaky, so the murders went unsolved.

[1277] So then June 20th, 1987, Joyce and Mims was found strangled in a vacant apartment by some construction workers in Milwaukee's North Side.

[1278] She was also believed to be a sex worker, had no criminal record, but George Mule Jones.

[1279] Mule Jones.

[1280] George Mule Jones.

[1281] Do you mean George the Mule Jones?

[1282] George the Mule Jones.

[1283] Now is this a nickname?

[1284] Does he have a big hog?

[1285] Is he...

[1286] Well...

[1287] Is this a family name?

[1288] I have a theory, but we'll get there.

[1289] Okay.

[1290] You know, him?

[1291] No. Yes, we went to high school together.

[1292] Yeah, he's in the improv a lot.

[1293] George Mule Jones?

[1294] He's so funny.

[1295] He's great.

[1296] Rides it on a horse?

[1297] He's one of my favorite stand -ups.

[1298] So they charge George Mule Jones with the murder because he was friends with Mims from Cleveland, and they were still friends with Mims and his girlfriend who was simply known as Sugar Baby.

[1299] I'm not Mims.

[1300] That's the coolest fucking MIMS is pretty good.

[1301] Well, yeah.

[1302] Well, they're different.

[1303] Mims was killed.

[1304] Okay, no, they are the same, and she should have been called Sugar Baby.

[1305] I couldn't agree more, Georgia.

[1306] So, Jones had a criminal record, because he was actually convicted of murder in Mississippi.

[1307] That doesn't mean anything.

[1308] You know, you aren't lying.

[1309] He stabbed a woman and was sentenced to five years.

[1310] You know what?

[1311] That's a long time for your first murder.

[1312] Yeah, a year a stab, I think, is what they do there.

[1313] Like, your first murder should be, like, three.

[1314] Yeah.

[1315] You know what I mean?

[1316] And if you do it again, well, then, all right.

[1317] You're seriously going to piss Georgia off and then it's going to get fucking ugly up here.

[1318] I'm going to cry and I'm going to flip this fucking table.

[1319] No, but it'll be fine.

[1320] I mean, it's fine.

[1321] Let me get my beers and my iPad.

[1322] So the woman that he killed was there was a name Shemika Carter.

[1323] She was killed because she made fun of George Mule Jones' inability to perform sexually.

[1324] That happens a lot with murderers, right?

[1325] Isn't that one of their things, like they can't get it up and then they kill?

[1326] Yeah.

[1327] Yeah.

[1328] Well, that's...

[1329] I don't do...

[1330] If I can't get it up, I just walk away...

[1331] Yeah.

[1332] Thank you.

[1333] Could you tell your friends?

[1334] Like, shamefully, I'm like, I'm gonna watch Law & Order!

[1335] Yeah, as long as murder's involved in some way.

[1336] Yeah.

[1337] I'm gonna watch a murder be committed instead of committing my own.

[1338] And then I'll be back.

[1339] And then I'll be back with ideas.

[1340] I might cut your buttocks.

[1341] And a new soundtrack.

[1342] Okay, so, yeah, so he went down to that kill.

[1343] So then police thought, but there's still killings going on.

[1344] Oh, and in his apartment, they found a black ski mass and nine women's shoes in his place.

[1345] I have that too in my house, though.

[1346] Nine women's shoe and a ski mask?

[1347] That's actually all I have in my house.

[1348] Nine is a weird number.

[1349] It's a weird.

[1350] Well, unless there was a lady with just one leg.

[1351] Not in my notes.

[1352] Pairs of shoes.

[1353] So he goes down for these murders.

[1354] He goes down for this murder in particular.

[1355] Yes, this one.

[1356] one, right?

[1357] But there's been three murders so far.

[1358] This is the third murder.

[1359] Okay.

[1360] Yes.

[1361] There's more to come.

[1362] Oh.

[1363] Yeah.

[1364] We see your papers in your hand.

[1365] Okay.

[1366] I'm moving fast.

[1367] In my story, the bad guy dies.

[1368] Okay, Dave, we were there.

[1369] So the idea of a serial killer was floated out by Bill Vogel, who was the homicide unit in Wisconsin, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

[1370] He told the police as chief that he thought both women that were killed the year before were done by the same man. he entered with a business -like attitude, quote, to discuss the matter, and I used the word cereal, and I got reamed out, said Vogel.

[1371] Get out of here, Vogel, you son of a bitch.

[1372] I don't want to hear the word serial again.

[1373] I don't care for talking about Cheerios.

[1374] Season two sucks, no?

[1375] I'm totally kidding.

[1376] I love the fuck.

[1377] Oh.

[1378] Stephen, Stephen, cut it out.

[1379] Cut that out.

[1380] Cut that.

[1381] That never happened.

[1382] And both the doors.

[1383] You will all unremember No one is forgetting Can we get the steam Whatever the fuck?

[1384] Gas Are you talking about flashpots?

[1385] Gas steam Oh yeah We're gonna knock these people out You're damn right we are Like the Joker at Batman So yeah So his chief was like Hey man we don't want people freaking out With the word cereal Let's just shut up about that And so they did That's the best way to handle A possible serial killer Smart Let's act like it's not happening Strangulations kept happening In 1992, Irene Smith, 25 was found dead In 1930, 1933, we're going back He was a time jumper I should point that out Time had no meaning in this one The year was 1804 he went to Started a new life of murder and he did He then killed a dinosaur Oh, he sure did So basically more people are dying More sex workers How many more?

[1386] Are there a lot?

[1387] We're right now at about five.

[1388] Karen D. Kilpatrick, 32, was killed in 1994.

[1389] Irene Smith, 25, was also 1994.

[1390] Both women were strangled.

[1391] Both were sex workers.

[1392] Police still had no way of connecting these crimes, but there was a homicide detective named Steve Spagnola, Spignola, who was set on finding the person.

[1393] And in 1995, April 24th, Florence McCormick's body was found in a shitty basement on Locust Street.

[1394] It sounds like he's killing ladies whose name.

[1395] start with Mick.

[1396] I don't think that tracks in my stuff.

[1397] You just fucking solved this case.

[1398] I'm putting shit together.

[1399] The Scottish killer.

[1400] Wait, he's Scottish too?

[1401] I don't know.

[1402] I'm just, I'm fucking thrown out theories.

[1403] Let's put shit on the board.

[1404] Sure.

[1405] Is there a board?

[1406] I'm not sure.

[1407] So, yeah, McCormick's body was found.

[1408] She was tied up on a sink.

[1409] Her hair was neat.

[1410] Fingernails suggested no struggle.

[1411] Her socks were clean, which I'm not sure what that means.

[1412] but that was pointed out, that her socks were clean.

[1413] Like, she wasn't walking around outside or something?

[1414] I guess.

[1415] They make it sound like that is, like, how they know she was murdered.

[1416] Vuggles over there in the corner, just smelling her socks.

[1417] These are good.

[1418] I have never worn clean socks in my life.

[1419] That's what I was thinking.

[1420] If someone buys me with clean socks, something's fucking wrong.

[1421] But, like, that means that when we die, people will be like, it's a murder.

[1422] Their socks are filthy.

[1423] which is just going to mean that I was wearing socks.

[1424] What is it filthy sock mean?

[1425] I don't know.

[1426] Look, that's for you guys.

[1427] That's for you guys.

[1428] I'm merely a shepherd at this.

[1429] Oh, by the way, there's some take -home stuff.

[1430] Oh, yeah.

[1431] It's under your seats.

[1432] Okay, so Spignola didn't think that there was no sexual activity.

[1433] There was no semen on the body.

[1434] There was no semen around the body, which he thought was possible because sometimes the killer may masturbate near the body.

[1435] which happens because guys are just normal things and that's a normal thing to do.

[1436] Her body was posed, it was bound but they thought there was some level of comfortability between the two because it seemed like there was little struggle for this.

[1437] So they thought that he was like, hey you know, let me bind you and we'll kill you.

[1438] No, I don't think you threw that part out there.

[1439] There'll be a tell.

[1440] 1995, two months after the murder McCormick, Sheila Farrier was discovered six blocks away Antitonia, also a sex worker, also in an empty apartment, this time strangled by her own brassiere, posed, crack pipes, pipe cleaners, just a lot of crack, a good scene.

[1441] So it's a crack house?

[1442] It's an empty apartment where crack was smoked.

[1443] But pipe cleaners, like, for crafts?

[1444] For crack.

[1445] For crack.

[1446] No one's doing crafts.

[1447] People are doing crack, which can lead to crafts, but I don't believe that that was the direct implication, no. Okay.

[1448] Yeah.

[1449] So at this point, there's like...

[1450] There were vision boards.

[1451] everywhere.

[1452] I'm glad we could do this.

[1453] At this point, there's like seven dead women all found in abandoned apartments, and they're like strangled, and they're like, I don't see a connection.

[1454] Cops are like, man, something's going on, huh?

[1455] You hungry?

[1456] Just get lunch.

[1457] You know what?

[1458] I would say this was the same killer, but the socks are different.

[1459] Yeah.

[1460] These socks are filthy.

[1461] Then they actually finally got a DNA sample.

[1462] They didn't really know for who.

[1463] but in August 30th, 1995, there was the body of a 16 -year -old runaway named Jessica Payne, who was found with her throat slit.

[1464] How was she found?

[1465] It's a really cool story.

[1466] A real meat, cute.

[1467] What happened was on August 30th, the two young boys went to abandoned mattress that they normally used as a makeshift trampoline.

[1468] Normal?

[1469] However, a normal, just kid stuff.

[1470] That's just boys jumping.

[1471] Go find a mattress.

[1472] You got to play with garbage.

[1473] Yeah, as a kid.

[1474] We'll jump on a little, refuse, you scamps.

[1475] But this day, they weren't getting a bunch of bounce like normal.

[1476] And the reason was because Jessica Payne's body was underneath it.

[1477] No, no, no, no, no. As I said, this time, there was appearance of sexual activity.

[1478] Those boys are fine now.

[1479] The boys are fine.

[1480] Yeah.

[1481] They got a sleeping mattress.

[1482] I will sleep on the floor tonight.

[1483] You're going to sleep standing up again, Kyle?

[1484] Yeah, I think so.

[1485] I think I, yeah.

[1486] I sleep better standing up, Dad.

[1487] I can only sleep.

[1488] if you lay under the mattress.

[1489] Oh, aye, aye.

[1490] So there was semen present.

[1491] They had some DNA.

[1492] They still couldn't connect it to anybody, but they thought that this might be related.

[1493] A guy named Richard Gwynn was in jail.

[1494] He started implicating himself and two others.

[1495] This guy, Sam Hadaway, Chot Oat.

[1496] Sure.

[1497] Gwyn told police he was driving.

[1498] He was in the car with Hadoe.

[1499] Ott and Jessica Payne.

[1500] He parked in front of an abandoned residence, where they remained in his vehicle.

[1501] conversing, listening to the radio, drinking alcohol, and smoking marijuana, just fun car games.

[1502] And Gwyn said at some point, Hadaway, Ott, and Payne, exited the vehicle, walked to an alley, and then Hadaway returned to the car, followed by Ott five minutes later.

[1503] When Gwyn asked about Payne's whereabouts, Hadaway said that they had to rob pain, but her pockets were empty, so Ott just cut her throat.

[1504] That happens.

[1505] That's a good thing.

[1506] Hadaway confirmed Gwyn's story, providing further detail about the murder and that Otcut Payne's throat Hadaway described a situation and when he searched for her pockets he found nothing so he pushed her down on the mattress pulled down her pants, pulled up her shirt, and tried to force her way in but Haddaway said he didn't actually see that because he turned away but when he turned back around he heard choking and gagging to see the pain's throat was cut and that blood was gushing out yes David?

[1507] I don't know okay you're just reacting like a human I get it as you should Just bumming.

[1508] You know, that's what we do.

[1509] Just bumming out.

[1510] Again, my guy died.

[1511] So, 1995, the police found a search warrant for Ott's home.

[1512] They found two box cutters and a knife among his possession.

[1513] That was really all the evidence that they had.

[1514] But Ott was sentenced to life in prison with parole available in 50 years.

[1515] The main evidence in the trial was the two box cutters.

[1516] The police...

[1517] But that sounds nothing like the other ones.

[1518] Weird, right?

[1519] Scared.

[1520] Um, so DNA evidence started being used in 1990.

[1521] Wisconsin fully came around, uh, to 2015 to really collecting DNA from every violent criminal.

[1522] I'm sorry, what?

[1523] 1990s where most places started collecting a database of violent criminals.

[1524] Wisconsin finished it in, in, uh, 2015.

[1525] So just, just a mere 25 years.

[1526] Yes, just a mere difference.

[1527] Um, is that an issue for you?

[1528] Yeah.

[1529] It's for a lot of us, yeah.

[1530] Okay, that's interesting.

[1531] So, now the police felt that they had DNA that they had found at that scene.

[1532] So they now had DNA from a number of women.

[1533] They had DNA from the woman in 1986, two and 95, one in 97.

[1534] And the latest, there were no more murders until April 27, 2007.

[1535] Okay.

[1536] When Quithereen Stokes, 28 was found strangled by city inspectors after they were going to inspect a vacant, boarded -up residence.

[1537] They found DNA at this scene, and now police had the DNA from the, two women in 86, 97, all that, 2007, and it all matched to one person, but the police couldn't figure out who it was.

[1538] Since the DNA matched nothing in their databases, they knew they were dealing someone that had never been convicted of a violent crime before, which is curious.

[1539] So, two detectives of the Milwaukee Department homicide unit re -examined the DNA linked to the suspect, and they believed they found him.

[1540] So on September 7, 2009, Walter E. Ellis of Milwaukee was arrested at noon at a hotel by a swarm of police officers.

[1541] Ellis was booked on a temporary felony warrant was being questioned by the police.

[1542] They took a DNA sample from his place off his toothbrush, and they had a match.

[1543] He was even matched for the two murders that men were already serving sentences for.

[1544] Oops.

[1545] So, awkward.

[1546] Here's what's crazy awkward.

[1547] Not good.

[1548] They should have had his DNA, because it wasn't from a lack of opportunities.

[1549] He was convicted of a shitload of crimes.

[1550] 1978, felony burglary.

[1551] 79, drug charges.

[1552] 80 robbery.

[1553] Eighty -one controlled substance.

[1554] again, possession with intent to distribute.

[1555] 85, soliciting and beating up two sex workers.

[1556] 87, retail theft.

[1557] 92, release for good behavior.

[1558] 92, back in for violating that good behavior.

[1559] 94, stabbing his girlfriend with a screwdriver.

[1560] Ben there.

[1561] Not the drink.

[1562] 95, battery for choking his girlfriend.

[1563] 97, resisting arrest.

[1564] 98, reckless injuries.

[1565] So he had a track warrant.

[1566] Hold on.

[1567] When when they've gotten any DNA?

[1568] Well, because they collected, they still collected DNA.

[1569] They just didn't collect it from every violent criminal.

[1570] Are you having fun with me?

[1571] Yep.

[1572] You, bastard.

[1573] I am.

[1574] so the DNA was never asked for but in 2001 police discovered that they actually had gotten his DNA or at least they had at one point there was an issue his DNA matched nothing in their system and they know that one of two things happened a Ellis convinced his cellmate to submit the DNA for him or B it was lost in transfer to the Oshkosh police department who said they never received it wait a second is Oshkosh where Cee's Even Avery...

[1575] Yep.

[1576] Oh.

[1577] Is that also where they make the overalls?

[1578] Yes, it's famous for two things now, which is cool.

[1579] I'm not sure which is a bigger crime.

[1580] That same police department.

[1581] Same police department.

[1582] It's the same fucking police department.

[1583] Well, it's the same, it's like the same region.

[1584] Shut the fuck out.

[1585] Yeah, they share a Walmart.

[1586] It's real.

[1587] Fuck.

[1588] So had they done this in the 90s, like most places, they would have stopped.

[1589] Yeah, they would have stopped five to seven.

[1590] murders.

[1591] They would have stopped one if they'd done it in 2001 when it was totally expected of them.

[1592] So in 2008, an appeals court overturned Ott's conviction, the guy who they said the mattress murderer.

[1593] They had a new trial with new DNA evidence.

[1594] 2009, they announced it would not seek a new trial.

[1595] Ott was freed.

[1596] He served 13 years in prison for a murder he didn't commit.

[1597] George Mule Jones died in prison April 30th, 2012, but it is not too sad because he was also a previous murderer.

[1598] He just didn't do the one.

[1599] we talked about.

[1600] Ellis was found...

[1601] Okay, good, good, good.

[1602] Am I doing good?

[1603] Yeah, yeah.

[1604] Ellis was found guilty of seven murders in total, but he was thought to have been guilty of nine.

[1605] He was sentenced to seven life sentences in 2011, and here's the fucker.

[1606] He's out!

[1607] He died in 2013.

[1608] So he served two years.

[1609] These murders went from 1986 to 2007, and he was in for less than two years.

[1610] How old was he?

[1611] He was like in his 50s.

[1612] Tell me he died.

[1613] painfully.

[1614] He got shamed.

[1615] He was in a hospital.

[1616] I want to point out that though, even if they had had his DNA and put it through, they would have, putting it through CODIS and actually checking that DNA, as we know that like from the rape kits that are not tested, that doesn't mean he would have been caught.

[1617] It's not like, oh, they should have, they had tested it and had his DNA.

[1618] Everything would have been fine.

[1619] Like, that's not the fucking case.

[1620] So it's not like, oh, man, you missed it.

[1621] But they could have, you know, started testing.

[1622] Well, yeah, who knows what could crazy 25 -year window.

[1623] He was also known as a fucking lunatic.

[1624] Like they, like, everyone's like this guy.

[1625] How about this guy?

[1626] Everyone's like he's crazy.

[1627] He lives like he lives right around every one of these murders.

[1628] But let's not all assume that these systems that they have in place to catch people are like the end -all be all.

[1629] Like it takes a lot more than that.

[1630] And so like it doesn't mean that wouldn't like these seven women wouldn't have been killed.

[1631] Right.

[1632] You know what I mean?

[1633] Yes.

[1634] Sorry to be a bummer.

[1635] But it's true.

[1636] Between 1986 and 2007, 42 prostitutes were killed.

[1637] the Milwaukee.

[1638] Only 31 % of those cases have been solved and they're great there.

[1639] Shit.

[1640] And we'll be there in April.

[1641] See you back there.

[1642] Again, mine wrapped up super nice.

[1643] I mean, well, first of all, it's always hard to go last.

[1644] It's always hard to go last.

[1645] But then also that was fucking rough.

[1646] Yeah, dude.

[1647] No, yes, great job.

[1648] Yes, thank you.

[1649] That's the Hive Strangler.

[1650] That's fucked up.

[1651] How do you feel about it?

[1652] Terrible.

[1653] I really am, like, so shocked at how little they give a fuck.

[1654] When you really find out how...

[1655] It's like politics.

[1656] But when you find out that they're really just worried about what people think over actually doing good, you're like, we're just fucked.

[1657] Well, that's something we run across in the dog all the time.

[1658] Have we?

[1659] How much the FBI fucks up?

[1660] Can I end with something?

[1661] Just a personal story?

[1662] Please.

[1663] So, my uncle, I lived in California I grew up in Marin County a little bit better a little bit better than Petaluma but I don't know if that but my uncle was a huge drug dealer that's way better than Petaluma and at one point he got the law was like getting down on him so he decided to move to Florida to get out of California because it was the local cops and I went and we went to this big gone away party and he opened up a suitcase that was full of just fucking cash.

[1664] And I was like 12, and I was like, that's cool.

[1665] And then he left.

[1666] And then all of his friends, the people that I had met at parties at his house, about ten of them shut up in trunks, all around Marin County.

[1667] Dead body trunks?

[1668] One after the other.

[1669] John's dead in a trunk.

[1670] Marty's dead in a trunk.

[1671] Oh, he's dead in a trunk.

[1672] All of his friends got killed.

[1673] And you're saying that's the FBI?

[1674] Yes.

[1675] That's insane.

[1676] It wasn't the gang drug dealer members that they were hanging out with?

[1677] It couldn't have been them.

[1678] Or natural causes and a career burial?

[1679] Good Lord, there's theory, sir.

[1680] If you're going to take a nap in a trunk, it's on you.

[1681] That's right.

[1682] It's suicide by suffocation.

[1683] I forgot to mention that they lived in trunks.

[1684] Well, that's a huge detail.

[1685] You guys, will you please help us thank Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds?

[1686] Thank you very much.

[1687] We appreciate it so much.

[1688] Thank you.

[1689] We appreciate it so much.

[1690] Thank you all for coming here.

[1691] This has been an amazing night.

[1692] Stay sexy.

[1693] And don't get married!

[1694] Don't get mad!