Delilah

[0] Hey, it's Michael.

[1] Today, a special episode from my colleagues, Andy Mills and Bianca Gave her.

[2] It's Monday, December 21st.

[3] The year 2020 was difficult, painful at times.

[4] And I spent much of the past year essentially on the America is divided beat.

[5] I traveled through dozens of states, attended a bunch of.

[6] bunch of political rallies, talked to voters who lived in increasingly different realities.

[7] And because of the coronavirus, instead of flying around from place to place, I found myself for the first time in over a decade back driving a car.

[8] And as I drove for hundreds and thousands of miles, I listened to the radio.

[9] And I loved it.

[10] I loved getting to know.

[11] All the new pop songs.

[12] I loved finally figuring out why it is everybody likes this Harry Stiles guy.

[13] And it was there in the car one night.

[14] I was scanning through the stations, and I rediscovered Delilah.

[15] Hi, Delilah.

[16] Thank you for a great show every night.

[17] Well, thank you for being so patient.

[18] What can I do for you?

[19] I would just like to know if you have Kenny Rogers through the years who could play for me. I love that song.

[20] I do too.

[21] Is it a dedication or just a favorite?

[22] No, my husband passed away for the year that came out in 82.

[23] And it was everything our life was for 31 years of marriage, a good marriage.

[24] And he died much too young.

[25] So if you could find it in your records there, I would appreciate your playing it for me. And what's your late husband's name, Helen?

[26] Jack.

[27] I can't remember when you weren't there when I did.

[28] And hearing her show again, there in my car, I felt emotional.

[29] I started doing this, like, laugh, cry thing that I do sometimes whenever I get, like, overwhelmed by emotions that are confusing but powerful.

[30] And I was like, why is this hitting me so hard right now?

[31] And at first I assumed, like, obviously some of this is just nostalgia.

[32] We are here to put a smile on your face as we are.

[33] I had originally become a fan of Delilah's radio show back when I was just in junior high.

[34] I'm Delilah on the new 94 -1, The Sound.

[35] At the time, I was too small for my age.

[36] I wasn't getting along with my parents who weren't getting along with each other.

[37] I was grounded all the time.

[38] I was living in this small town, and I wanted nothing more than to grow up.

[39] To get out of that small town, fall in love.

[40] and become an adult.

[41] And listening to this show up in my room and my headphones, it was like my first real peek into the lives of grownups.

[42] Melanie, what can I do for you?

[43] Actually, I was wondering if you could possibly request a song for me and my husband.

[44] We've been married for the past three years, and we've just gone through a lot, a lot of problems almost on the verge of the world.

[45] I was practicing alcoholic for quite so many years, and recently that has changed.

[46] Practicing, or did you have it perfected?

[47] Oh, I had it more than perfected.

[48] I was a true professional.

[49] And what has happened over the last year is that a woman that I loved very much and still do very much has come back into my life.

[50] And that's the mother of my daughter.

[51] What Delilah was doing was simple.

[52] She was taking calls from all sorts of people from all over the country.

[53] I drive a truck and I'm on the road all the time.

[54] And I spend a lot of time away from my wife and my kids.

[55] Listening to them.

[56] I'm going through a divorce and I have two young children.

[57] And it's been quite difficult.

[58] And I sometimes feel that there's nobody out there for me. And whatever it was, they were calling to say.

[59] What can I do for you?

[60] I'd like to know if you can dedicate a song to my wife.

[61] What's her name?

[62] Her name is Margaret.

[63] I goofed up, and I'm very sorry.

[64] What'd you do?

[65] I lied to her.

[66] About?

[67] I got hurt on the job.

[68] I got addicted to drugs, and I lied to her.

[69] And I'm very sorry.

[70] Are you going to go get help for your addiction?

[71] I already am.

[72] Good for you.

[73] Do you think she might have a forgiving heart and see you through this?

[74] I'm hoping right now I'm not at the house, and I'm begging for her forgiveness.

[75] Well, let's hope then that she's...

[76] And then at the end of the call, she would pick out a pop song for them.

[77] Let me find a sign for you.

[78] I appreciate it.

[79] Thanks a lot.

[80] That was in some way connected to their situation.

[81] And this combination of being confessional and then together sitting and listening to pop music.

[82] And just being awash in the mysterious power that pop music.

[83] music has to make people feel.

[84] For all those times you stood by me, for all the truth that you made to see.

[85] I loved it as a kid, but hearing it right now as an adult, it seemed more powerful somehow.

[86] And I didn't know why.

[87] And so I decided to reach out to a bunch of my friends, ask them to listen to Delilah, and essentially let me know, like, if it hit them the way it hit me. I know we've been dealing with the new reality, the COVID -19 reality, a long time.

[88] And even though there's a lot of negative in the pandemic, a lot of sadness, there's a lot of sadness.

[89] there are some things that are good.

[90] I'll be sharing words of love and hope and inspiration, and of course, fabulous songs all day long.

[91] So one day, I'm sitting in my apartment, and I hear from my friend Andy.

[92] And he asks me to listen to this lady on the radio called Delilah.

[93] And I was like, oh, I know Delilah.

[94] She got her start in Seattle, where I grew up.

[95] and I'd hear her all the time on the radio.

[96] But my association with the show was basically just that super cheesy intro.

[97] And that she played pop music, which I don't really listen to.

[98] When Andy called me months into the pandemic, I was deep in a sad folk music phase.

[99] I was spending a lot of time alone.

[100] I was single for the first time in a while.

[101] I missed my friends.

[102] I even miss strangers.

[103] So one night in quarantine, I turned on Delilah.

[104] Hi, good evening.

[105] Is this Bob?

[106] This is Bob?

[107] Hi, Bob.

[108] What can I do to make your night a little better just for you?

[109] I just want to tell you about the most incredible lady I have ever met.

[110] Okay.

[111] What's her name?

[112] Her name is BJ.

[113] Now, are you guys dating?

[114] Are you together?

[115] Are you a couple?

[116] I was an idiot.

[117] I let her walk out of my life about seven, eight years ago.

[118] Oh, Bob.

[119] What were you thinking?

[120] And pretty quickly, I was taken by the collars.

[121] You knucklehead, you.

[122] Yes.

[123] I agree.

[124] A thousand percent.

[125] What we have to do here is, number one, hope she may, by some stretch of the imagination, be listening.

[126] She probably is, well, you know.

[127] At first, it was a voyeuristic pleasure.

[128] Like, almost a little shot in Freud.

[129] When you're single, it's kind of nice to hear that not everyone's relationships are going great.

[130] But after a while, how are you?

[131] I'm kind of in a melancholy mode tonight.

[132] I broke the trust of the woman that I love, and I'm doing everything I can to try to get it back again.

[133] The vulnerability of the callers.

[134] I love her a whole lot to Lila.

[135] Got to me. You know, it's just been really tough, really tough.

[136] We've been up and down like a roller coaster, and trying to get it together has just been, you know, it's the toughest of all.

[137] And we listen to your show every night, and you're so compassionate.

[138] And we wanted to call you.

[139] And within the context of these calls, the song started to get to me, too.

[140] So then I looked her up, and I found out that she is the most listened to woman on American radio.

[141] Like, when you look at the list of the top 20 radio shows, there's NPR, there's conservative talk radio, and Delilah.

[142] So many folks angry with one another, arguing, up in each other's faces, saying unkind things.

[143] Choose your words carefully and make sure your words are seasoned with love.

[144] And unlike other shows, Delilah's audience can't be categorized.

[145] It's people from red states and blue states, a mix of ages, backgrounds, race, and ethnicity.

[146] Can you hear me?

[147] Can you hear me now?

[148] And so hoping to better understand what it was that she had tapped into, Bianca and I did what millions of Americans before us have done.

[149] Hello.

[150] Hi.

[151] Who am I talking to?

[152] We called Delilah.

[153] I'm Bianca.

[154] And I'm Andy.

[155] Hi, Bianca.

[156] Hi, Andy.

[157] So are you recording on your end, Delilah?

[158] Yeah, looks great on my end.

[159] Okay, great.

[160] I grew up on the Southern Oregon coast.

[161] We started at the beginning.

[162] My parents were caretakers.

[163] They rented an old farmhouse, and they could work off the rent by milking cows.

[164] It was a little dairy farm.

[165] She grew up in the 60s and 70s, in the small town of Reed's Port Oregon.

[166] Everybody went fishing together and crabbing together, and everybody knew when Mrs. Luke, my mom had the hair clippers out because she would cut everybody's hair in the neighborhood for free.

[167] And from her earliest memories, sadly had the show -off, Jean, and not a lick of talent.

[168] She loved attention.

[169] But she says she wasn't getting the kind of attention she wanted.

[170] I wasn't an attractive child.

[171] I was a goofy, clumsy, chubby little girl with steel braces on my legs.

[172] If you ever saw Forrest Gump, I actually wore the braces for 10 years that he wore in that movie.

[173] and never felt graceful or beautiful.

[174] And then puberty came knocking.

[175] And wow, what a change.

[176] So I left junior high this, you know, zit -faced, goofy, chubby girl, and I started high school looking like I was 19 years old.

[177] And I think I would have gotten into a lot of trouble if it weren't for the fact that I could channel my energy.

[178] into radio.

[179] Luckily, it was right then that she got a job at KDUN, the AM radio station in her hometown.

[180] I had to be there at 5, 5 .30 in the morning to go on the year at 6.

[181] Good morning.

[182] And so there was no going out on Friday or Saturday nights.

[183] There was no going to parties.

[184] There was no going and doing any of the things that all the kids in the 70s did.

[185] because I had to have my butt up and in the station at five in the morning.

[186] Elton John had hit the scene really big right when I started in radio.

[187] We played Jim Crocey.

[188] B .T .O. Bachman -T.

[189] Overdrive was my favorite.

[190] And what was it that you liked about it?

[191] Talk about being heaven for somebody with the show -off gene.

[192] I could go on the air and say, hey, if you're driving down 101, honk, and, you know, 15 people would drive by and honk.

[193] I was like, that is the coolest sensation in the world.

[194] So, yeah, it fulfilled so many needs in me. Listening to her tell this story, I was sort of amazed to hear that this woman who seemed to have spoken directly into the ear of this lonely kid up in this bedroom had herself also been a lonely kid.

[195] You know, my mom had issues, my dad had issues.

[196] I found out that my father had actually been married before my mother and had two children that lived half an hour away and we never knew about them.

[197] It was this big, deep, dark secret.

[198] And they dealt with their issues by kind of shutting down emotionally.

[199] and the radio station was just like my sanctuary.

[200] It was a safe place.

[201] The people there loved me and encouraged me. They were rock -solid people in my life.

[202] And so after she graduated, she wanted to move away from her small town, but she wanted to stay in the world of radio.

[203] And eventually, she landed a job working the late shift as a DJ at a soft rock radio station in Seattle.

[204] called Classy.

[205] It was 1984, and it sounded like Elton John, softer side, you know, tiny dancer, Billy Joel.

[206] She can kill with a smile.

[207] She can wound with her eyes.

[208] And she said that a lot of nights, she'd get these calls from people wanting to hear a certain song, and that off the air, while the music played, she'd talk with them.

[209] And these conversations gave her an idea for her own show.

[210] And she pitched it to her boss.

[211] I said, people call me and tell me the most fascinating stories.

[212] This is really amazing.

[213] Can I put it on the air?

[214] And her boss was like, sure.

[215] Sounds fine.

[216] And so this was the beginning of Delilah starting to find her own signature sound.

[217] What did that sound like?

[218] The mood was more mellow.

[219] I was trying to put people to sleep.

[220] If you have to be out tonight, driving, drive.

[221] carefully.

[222] It's wet and windy and cold, more the same expected throughout the day tomorrow.

[223] There was more sound effects I used.

[224] Gliss, it was called, where it sounds like wind chimes.

[225] Used a lot of seagulls and crashing waves.

[226] For Lisa and Kevin, congratulations, you two.

[227] People called mostly when they were falling in love, a lot of relationships just beginning, just budding.

[228] I had tons of teenagers calling in.

[229] Well, I want to dedicate a song to my best friend and a guy she likes.

[230] Who?

[231] A guy named Joey in our class.

[232] But she was also hearing from older listeners with more adult love stories.

[233] When you say ex -husband, I don't feel like you want it to be X anymore.

[234] He's my best friend, and he's really a very special man. So if you knew then what you know now, be your ex -husband?

[235] Probably not, but it's too late now.

[236] But we've made the best of the situation and we'll always be part of each other's life.

[237] I will certainly get that on the air for you, Terry.

[238] Thank you.

[239] And the show went from number 17 or 18 to number one in the market.

[240] It struck a chord in a lot of hearts and I grew a very strong and faithful audience.

[241] quickly.

[242] But from early on, Delilah wanted a bigger audience, beyond the city.

[243] And she started pitching the show around for syndication.

[244] And at each station, the bosses would say, ah, yeah, it's not going to work.

[245] I mean, you're number one in Seattle, but that's because you're Seattle's darling daughter.

[246] Nobody else will like it.

[247] Then she decided to leave the West Coast completely, go to Boston.

[248] Then when I got to be number one in Boston, the boss was like, do you want to be syndicated?

[249] You need to be in mornings.

[250] Or you need to do something.

[251] something like a top 40 countdown.

[252] This just won't work.

[253] These phone calls won't work.

[254] And she heard this over and over, that the phone calls were a fluke, that they wouldn't work.

[255] One of them goes, God, can somebody just tell that broad to sit down and shut up and play the damn music?

[256] But she kept at it.

[257] I had moved to Boston.

[258] I had moved to Philly.

[259] I had moved back to Boston.

[260] And now I had two kids.

[261] And as her life experiences evolved.

[262] Hi, Mama.

[263] Hi, sir.

[264] you have a good night's sleep, okay?

[265] She brought that onto the show, too.

[266] Can I have a couple of kisses when I come home?

[267] Mm -hmm.

[268] Okay, I'll just sneak them, all right?

[269] Oh, you're going to sneak them?

[270] I'll just kiss you real quietly.

[271] And then one day in 1990.

[272] The skies of Baghdad has been filled up with the sounds of gunfire here tonight.

[273] The show unexpectedly broadened.

[274] The tone of the show changed dramatically and the night.

[275] the desert storm happened.

[276] This conflict started August 2nd when the dictator of Iraq invaded a small and helpless neighbor.

[277] Kuwait.

[278] For whatever reason, in the midst of this geopolitical event, people turned to her.

[279] The phone lines into my studio melted down.

[280] People were scared and they were upset and they were afraid for their children, their kids that were in the military.

[281] and what does this mean?

[282] And it was terrifying.

[283] So those things began to change the scope, the flavor of the show from just being about, you know, romance and falling in love and getting married and breaking up and to really the human experience.

[284] And Delilah says that in her career, there's essentially before that night and after that night.

[285] Hi, is this Delilah?

[286] Yes, it is.

[287] Who's this?

[288] This is Lerna.

[289] Three months ago, I called you when my son got in an accident and he was burned.

[290] Oh, I remember talking to you.

[291] How is he?

[292] He's sitting right here beside me. Would you like to talk to him?

[293] I would love to.

[294] My husband for six years was struggling with drug abuse and things like that.

[295] And a family was basically falling apart.

[296] That'll do it.

[297] Yeah.

[298] It wasn't just the nature of the calls that had changed.

[299] She also finally started to get that big audience that she had.

[300] always wanted.

[301] I was high as a kite thinking, oh, my God, my dream has come true.

[302] I'm syndicated on four stations.

[303] I'm Delilah on the new 94 -1, the sound.

[304] And within a month or two, we were up to six stations.

[305] You're here with Delilah.

[306] KQXT, San Antonio.

[307] And then we hit a dozen stations.

[308] Oh!

[309] Conversation called Delilah.

[310] It was so amazing.

[311] And that brings us to now.

[312] 25 years later, Delilah is syndicated on over 160 radio stations around the country, has many millions of listeners every night, more attention than even she ever dreamed.

[313] But when we went out looking for her, trying to track her down for this conversation, we were surprised by where we found her.

[314] I live my life, take care of my kids, and check homework, and ride horses, and canned salsa, canned pears, can apples, can apples, can ass.

[315] applesauce, you know, what your grandma used to do.

[316] After years of jumping around from city to city, growing her show, DeWyla had ultimately moved back to a small town in the Pacific Northwest, where, again, she is living on a farm, just like she did when she was a little girl.

[317] But now, she's surrounded by a family of her own creation.

[318] And how many kids do you have, can I ask?

[319] I have 15, and my husband has five.

[320] Wow.

[321] She lives with a lot of people.

[322] Two elderly parents.

[323] Ten horses.

[324] Two zebras.

[325] Three dogs.

[326] Three emus.

[327] Some pigs, sheep, goats, chickens.

[328] Two cats.

[329] And her husband.

[330] How many times have you been married?

[331] Oh, too many to count.

[332] Four times by our count.

[333] And as we got to ask her the sorts of questions that she's usually asking her listeners.

[334] I got married to my first husband, the man that I loved when I was 21, George.

[335] He was like a character in a movie.

[336] He was so charming.

[337] But not so faithful, if you know what I mean.

[338] We saw just how familiar she is with so much of what it is that they're going through.

[339] And then when we divorced, I jumped out of the frying pan into the fire and I had a very brief six -week marriage that was annulled to a man named Gary who turned out to be a drug addict.

[340] It was a really bad decision made on the rebound, but really good for me and that it got me into 12 -step programs.

[341] From heartache and addiction to all the complexities that come from being a part of a family.

[342] My husband was black and our son is mixed.

[343] My second husband is Hispanic and so our two children were mixed.

[344] Now I've added many, many, many more children through adoption.

[345] But what I didn't realize when I started adopting kids with chronic illnesses is that sometimes they don't survive.

[346] She's lost two children, one to sickle cell anemia, another to suicide.

[347] My sister, my kids took turns babysitting me basically for a month or two until I could even breathe.

[348] And she said that the one thing that got her through all of this was other people.

[349] Oh my God, the calls, the letters, the cards, just unbelievable outpouring of love, not just from my listeners, but my community.

[350] So, you know, love got us through and will get us through no matter what.

[351] But people who don't have that kind of support, I hope that my show is support for them.

[352] I hope that my voice and my words is love for them.

[353] Yeah, I mean, there's so many people who don't know that anybody loves.

[354] them.

[355] Yeah.

[356] And I try every day to say on the radio, you know, you are loved.

[357] When anybody listens, I want them to hear love.

[358] I want them to hear peace.

[359] I want them to hear hope, especially now.

[360] Hi, Alyssa.

[361] What are you grateful for?

[362] I'm grateful for my boyfriend.

[363] I actually just got fired for my job yesterday.

[364] He has been such an inspiration.

[365] I mean, I put him through hell.

[366] And I honestly feel kind of guilty because I lost my job, but I was hoping that you could play a song for him just to show him how much I appreciate him and everything that he has done for me, even though that I'm in a really rough spot right now.

[367] Okay, before we have this conversation, I want you to know that I have been fired 12 times.

[368] So there's no judgment on my part ever.

[369] These days, Delilah is doing her show from the farm, five nights a week.

[370] Five hours a night.

[371] I take the calls all night long, starting at about 6 .30 or 7 o 'clock.

[372] And I'm in the studio until 11 or 12 o 'clock West Coast time.

[373] How many calls are you typically getting in a night?

[374] Well, the number of calls we get is crazy.

[375] It's like 20, 30 ,000 a night to our 800 number.

[376] Oh, my gosh.

[377] Yeah.

[378] And while this past year, she has been broadcasting amidst the pandemic and protests and through an incredibly polarizing election, when you listen to the show this year, it sounds almost identical to how it's always sounded.

[379] Hi, good evening.

[380] Who is this?

[381] This is Tracy.

[382] Tracy, what can I do for you?

[383] I'm trying really hard to be in the Christmas spirit, but I lost my mom to breast cancer seven weeks ago today, and it's the first Christmas that she won't be with us.

[384] So I was hoping maybe you could play, I'll have a blue Christmas for me and my sisters as we try and get through this first holiday without her.

[385] I will do that, but here's my only piece of advice to you.

[386] Just give yourself permission to feel whatever it is you're feeling without thinking, oh, it's the holidays.

[387] I have to do this or I have to do that or I have to get into the holiday spirit.

[388] This is Delilah.

[389] How are you tonight?

[390] I'm okay.

[391] I'm missing my husband.

[392] He's in the military and he's been gone for quite some time now.

[393] As she fights back tears.

[394] Oh, it's pretty miserable.

[395] When anybody listens, I don't want them to hear frustration.

[396] I don't want them to hear panic.

[397] I don't want them to hear politics or bipartisan division.

[398] I have been listening to for years.

[399] My boyfriend and I both, he is currently in jail.

[400] I want people to feel love in a very tangible way.

[401] Which is his drug of choice and what is yours?

[402] His drug of choice was heroin, as was mine.

[403] We have both been clean for four years.

[404] Wow.

[405] I'm really proud of you.

[406] I mean that from the bottom of my heart.

[407] The more that I've thought about it, the more I think that the reason I responded to Delilah the way that I did, driving around in my car, is exactly this.

[408] She sounds the same.

[409] Nothing about what Delilah is doing.

[410] has changed.

[411] But everything else feels so profoundly different.

[412] So that in this moment, this super simple thing that she's been doing for decades, it feels, in its sincerity, radical to just listen to people, to perform the most essential act of love, giving people attention, this thing that she's always understood that she wanted and she needed.

[413] Right now, it's almost subversive in its earnestness.

[414] I want to touch hearts and I want to bring joy.

[415] And even with all the craziness going on in the world, I believe I was born for such a time as this that now more than ever we need hope.

[416] I know it sounds corny, but it's true.

[417] And I say this with complete respect, can be corny, cheesy at times.

[418] But after this year and everything that we've been through, that cheesiness, that sincerity, feels kind of perfect.

[419] A love song needs a lyric that tells a story.

[420] be in your way and touches your heart either makes you laugh or makes you cry or makes you swoon but i know i'll think of you every step of the way dolly pardons i will always love you later recorded by whitney one of the best love songs lyrically ever written and she's saying i can't with you because to be with you would hurt you, so it's a Shakespearean tragedy in a four -minute song.

[421] Is Cheeziness an essential part of love?

[422] Cheeziness is a definite essential part of love.

[423] Sappy, cheesy, cliche is a part of love.

[424] Well, thank you so much, Delilah.

[425] Yeah, thank you so much, Delilah.

[426] This has been really great.

[427] Thank you, guys.

[428] Bye -bye.

[429] Yeah, I run into her like a river song.

[430] She gave me love, love.

[431] Here's what else you need to know today.

[432] When the science changes, we must change our response.

[433] When the virus changes its method of attack, we must change our method of defense.

[434] In a dramatic move, Britain locked down the Greater London area over the weekend, citing the out -of -control transmission of a new variation of the coronavirus.

[435] Residents in those areas must stay at home, apart from limited exemptions set out in law.

[436] Non -essential retail, indoor gyms and leisure facilities and personal care services must close.

[437] In a speech on Saturday, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said, said that the new variation may be 70 % more transmissible than the original and would require major sacrifices during the holiday season.

[438] Given the early evidence we have on this new variant of the virus, the potential risk it poses, it is with a very heavy heart.

[439] I must tell you, we cannot continue with Christmas as planned.

[440] Soon after, several neighboring European countries closed their business.

[441] borders to British citizens to avoid importing the new strain of the virus.

[442] And we can finally report what our nation has needed to hear for a very long time.

[443] More help is on the way.

[444] On Sunday night, Congress finally reached a deal on a stimulus bill that will create enhanced federal unemployment benefits of $300 per week for up to a 11 weeks and give many Americans $600 in one -time direct payments.

[445] Those direct payments will go to both adults and children, meaning that an eligible family of four would receive $2 ,400.

[446] Today's episode was produced by Andy Mills and Bianca Gave her with help from Leslie Davis.

[447] It was edited by Sarah Saracen, Wendy Doer and Lisa Tobin, and engineered by Chris Wood.

[448] That's it for the daily.

[449] I'm Michael Babarro.

[450] See you tomorrow.