#712 - Wim Hof

[0] and boom we're live you're here thanks not a wolf t -shirt on nonetheless yes endurance you know is that what it is yeah something i bought it this morning i thought you know it's of the locota indians in the vannage beach uh venice beach lacota indians they're probably not legit probably probably but uh yeah probably but uh the symbol it symbolizes endurance but not you know Not physical endurance, do I did stuff, but more like believing.

[1] You have a very fascinating life, my friend, and you have done some amazing things.

[2] I've been paying attention to you for the last couple months pretty intensely, and leading up to this podcast, I've been researching you a lot.

[3] And first of all, I want to know, how did all this get started?

[4] For people who don't know who you are, you've accomplished a ton of world records you've endured things that most people think may be physically impossible, you've proven they're possible, you've shown that you can alter your immune system on demand, you can regulate levels of stress hormones that people thought were unable to be controlled by the human mind that were autonomous and you're doing this all like on your own, I've never heard of anybody else doing this.

[5] First of all, how did you get started in this and what led you to this.

[6] Yes.

[7] Like many, probably.

[8] I was in a sole search.

[9] And I visited many countries, traditions, languages, esoteric disciplines.

[10] And also like you, you know, karate and kung fu and yoga, but also the Dorovish, the Sufi, Buddhism, all kinds of traditions and disciplines.

[11] but it could not really fulfill me in the depth.

[12] A certain day, it was a Sunday, I was attracted to cold water.

[13] I don't know why, but because I was seeking already for years, you have a charge within you.

[14] You always keep on looking, searching, seeking.

[15] And at that moment, I felt the attraction.

[16] And I knew I'm going to go in, you know, ice water.

[17] And it only took me 30 seconds or one minute it took, but I felt this is it.

[18] This is able to connect me with the depth of my physiology the way nature has meant it to be.

[19] So it felt too good.

[20] I felt connected.

[21] This is not something you were drawn to before?

[22] Not really.

[23] Per accident, I was more conscious at that moment.

[24] And from there, I began to do it every day.

[25] 17 years old I was done.

[26] That's about 38 years ago.

[27] And from there, I began to do it on daily, you know, every day.

[28] And this is in Holland?

[29] This is in the Netherlands.

[30] It's cold water.

[31] It's cold water.

[32] Water transmits the temperature like 25 times more than the air.

[33] So, but I returned the other day and the other day because I felt so good.

[34] I felt connected.

[35] And it's all about the connection within which I was looking for, the depth, which I could not find in books.

[36] I read about hundreds of books on philosophy, on religion, on esoteric disciplines, all kinds of books, you know, searching, search, and searching.

[37] But the answer is not in the head.

[38] The answer is in the body and the brain together.

[39] And cold water triggered this.

[40] And then from thereon, the cold water, at a certain point, when you do it regularly, you become conscious your breathing pattern is going to change.

[41] Because you've got to be more effective.

[42] You need more oxygen to withstand the impact of the cold.

[43] And that needs oxygen.

[44] It needs combustion in the cell.

[45] And feeling it, I was doing that.

[46] And I changed my breathing pattern.

[47] And when I changed my breathing pattern, it's when the magic began.

[48] Then I began to see, you know, lights by manipulating the breathing differently.

[49] Seeing lights.

[50] Like how so?

[51] Yeah.

[52] In the yoga, they call it the chakras.

[53] In China, they call it the chi, the chi, the chi.

[54] and so forth and I found out that this was very possible in a very short period of time and this is nothing someone showed you how to do this is something you figured out on your own the cold is my only master the cold is my only teacher and the breathing when you say you altered your breathing patterns like what do you mean exactly like when I went in at a certain point I knew how to be you know very relaxed going in then let a cold impact go within and then begin breathing deeper and then a certain dance between the cold and your breath begins to start up begins to charge your body and after 25 breaths like that very conscious in the cold the cold is a for and it has its impact, and you go along with the cold and what it does on the physiology, and you use your breathing.

[55] Now I know what happens physiological, but then those days it was all by feeling.

[56] What does happen physiologically?

[57] You become fully charged.

[58] The carbon dioxide goes out.

[59] O2 begins to roam freely throughout the body and fills up every cell, And the pH levels go up.

[60] No, when you say you altered your breathing, what you're showing me here is just breathing in and breathing out.

[61] Like what specifically different about that than normal breathing?

[62] The way I used it was like after 25 breaths.

[63] It was so fully charged.

[64] I could stay like five to seven minutes under the ice every time.

[65] Very controlled.

[66] And that means that there is not only a whole lot of oxygen inside the body, but the pH levels go up.

[67] Now, later on, I began to understand by signs, by thinking about it and deducting and all that.

[68] I saw that we are able to tap into the brainstem, the adrenaline.

[69] we showed lying in bed people producing more adrenaline now i know how to show to people just in a couple of days that means every listener right now is able to do that so we have proven this scientifically and it showed that people lying in bed were able to produce more adrenaline than somebody in fear going for its first bunker jump a bungee jump and when but you're still I'm still confused as to how you're doing anything differently other than deep breathing.

[70] You're taking a deep breathe in and deep breathe out.

[71] No, we retent from breathing after exhalation.

[72] Retent?

[73] We stop breathing after exhalation.

[74] So breathe in.

[75] Like, show me the method.

[76] If you go with me, now 30 times.

[77] Let go.

[78] Okay.

[79] Fully in.

[80] Once again, fully in.

[81] letting go right on fully in but letting go not fully out just letting go but fully in once again and once again come on don't hesitate give it it's about changing the chemistry right now in your body so I'm breathing in you become lightheaded and at a certain point you're so fully charged and the pH levels go to a very high level you are able to stay without air in the long for minutes just keep on there feeling is understanding go on and deeply in letting go deeply in letting go deeply in letting go 10 times more deeply in letting go deeply in letting go deeply in letting go I'm going to time Let him go.

[82] Deeply in.

[83] Letting go.

[84] Give it fully.

[85] Take him in.

[86] Let him go.

[87] Take him in.

[88] Let him go.

[89] Take him in.

[90] Let him go.

[91] No hesitation.

[92] I do this with over him as well.

[93] And he feels wonderful.

[94] Take him in.

[95] Fully letting go.

[96] Okay, five times more.

[97] Deeply in.

[98] Letting go Deeply in Letting go Deeply in Letting go Two times more Letting go And stop Just stop Witness Without air in the lungs You are able to stay Much more than normally Than normally Why?

[99] Because we change Heochemistry Carbon dioxide went out, O2 went up, filled up all the cells and the pH levels go up.

[100] Then we are able to tap into the central nervous system.

[101] And at the end, we got the brain stamp.

[102] And that's the place of the pineal gland, hypothalamus, pituitary gland.

[103] And the pineal gland makes the secretion of adrenaline in dangerous situations.

[104] Normally, we do not get into it because of our shell.

[105] But this is the way to get into the most primitive part, the reptilian brain, without many difficulties, and fend off bacteria, getting better into the endocrine systems.

[106] We'll talk about it later, you're past 110 in minutes, and you're still on.

[107] That shows that the capacity to fill yourself up with oxygen is a lot more.

[108] more than we normally use.

[109] And as we do not use it, we are not making a use of the full capacity of our physiology.

[110] Now we found out we got a different layers, and we never use it.

[111] And this is the way to learn to use it, to tap in and bang, into the primitive brain, into the endocrine systems, immune systems, the way nature has mended to be.

[112] Everybody is able to do it.

[113] 145 and this is only round one if we would do like three rounds you would go to three minutes four minutes without air without training it only shows the capacity to store up oxygen inside we never use that you're doing great he's doing already to 2 5 almost 2 10 whenever you feel the urge to breathe you don't need to force is only learning how to oxygenize the body and all the cells.

[114] You're going great, man. Nice one.

[115] Feels good, huh?

[116] Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's okay.

[117] 2 .30, yeah.

[118] Yeah, when you feel the urge to breathe, you breathe in fully and keep it for 10, 15 seconds.

[119] Then that's one round.

[120] Fully in and keep it.

[121] And now you press your belly, the neck, and then the head.

[122] And now you are able to tap into the brain stem.

[123] Yeah, that's him.

[124] If we would do it again, you would, you know, supplement.

[125] I got very lightheaded.

[126] It was interesting.

[127] In the breathing in part.

[128] Sure, sure.

[129] So to explain to people at home, what I'm doing is I'm breathing in all the way, as deeply as I can, but I'm not breathing out all the way.

[130] Yeah.

[131] I'm just breathing out a little bit.

[132] And then I'm breathing in more, and I'm just breathing out a little bit.

[133] And I'm breathing in more and breathing out a little bit.

[134] Yes.

[135] If you breathe in completely, you get all the oxygen possible inside.

[136] If you just let it go, then you get it to where the exchange of the gases happen.

[137] And this is the way best to oxygenize the body.

[138] So it's a different way to get into the chemistry of the body.

[139] And we have shown this.

[140] That's one of the fascinating.

[141] things if people are listening to this guy's fucking crazy yeah all of you're definitely crazy crazy about life and my wife in a beautiful way I know I know what you've done is you've allowed scientists to test you every step of the way and you've proven that all this is true when we're saying these things I mean this is these are things that have been studied at universities what was the university in Holland that it Rodbaud University Rodbaud and they injected you with an endotoxin?

[142] Endotoxin, yes.

[143] To prove that you can, you can auto -regulate your immune system.

[144] Exactly, exactly.

[145] Normally, it's a controlled experiment, and they did it with thousands of people already, and nobody was able to control to the depth of the immune system, because the endotoxin provokes a response in the immune system.

[146] You become feverish.

[147] you get headaches all over agony, uncontrolled shivering, vomiting, you know, things like that happen.

[148] But the people I trained, first I did it myself, then they said, yeah, but you are the icemen, you are an exception on the rule.

[149] And you confirmed the rule because of this.

[150] No, I said, anybody can do this.

[151] Why would they say that you confirm the rule?

[152] If they have a rule and one person can do something different, then the rule doesn't work.

[153] It's not a rule anymore.

[154] That's absolutely true between us, but in science, it only works.

[155] It's only validated if there's a group who's doing it.

[156] Right, but how many in the group are doing your method?

[157] That's the thing.

[158] When they test normal people on things, the amount of people that are doing what you're doing and trying these kind of experiments and going under ice and breathing the way you're breathing, it's almost none worldwide.

[159] I mean, I'm sure more people now are inspired to do it because of you, but so I don't understand how they could say that you confirm the rule because you don't you know it doesn't apply to you yeah that's a saying you know the exception confirms the rule that's a Dutch saying so I told yes I'm the Iceman I got so much experience I did so many challenges and records but no the thing my mission is to show that everybody is able to tap in their physiology a lot deeper just in a couple of days and it has been shown 12 people in a comparative study 12 people been instructed and 12 people non -instructed the non -instructed people got to be sick all of them and the instructed people all of them were not sick now this endotoxin what exactly is the endotoxin the endotoxin is a part of a bacteria and the immune system recognizes it as a negative intruder.

[160] So that's why it is a controlled experiment.

[161] And this is the way they inject it.

[162] And they try to learn about the immune system, the endocrine systems, by doing this controlled experiments on many, many people all over in the world.

[163] Now, prior to doing this, what made you think that you could do this?

[164] Like what convinced you that you could actually regulate your immune system to react to a response that was injected into your body like that?

[165] Now you're talking to.

[166] Now we begin to talk.

[167] Like 25 years ago already stated and told everybody, the autonomic nervous system and the immune systems related to the autonomic nervous system can be influenced.

[168] The autonomic nervous system will be no longer autonomic.

[169] And that's what I told.

[170] Many people mocked me because of it.

[171] And they told me negatively that I was crazy and all that.

[172] So, so 25 years ago, you were in your 20s then?

[173] Yeah, no, no, no. Yeah, 30s.

[174] Okay.

[175] How old do you know?

[176] 56.

[177] Okay.

[178] Yeah, 56.

[179] But then, I told it then.

[180] And now it's scientifically proven.

[181] Yeah.

[182] Why?

[183] Why?

[184] Because inside, I know.

[185] So you're this 31 -year -old guy, and you have this idea in your head that you can control your immune system.

[186] Yes.

[187] What gave you this thought that you could do this?

[188] No, in the beginning, when I was 17 years old, as the story began, I went into the cold, and it just felt good.

[189] I felt connection.

[190] After years of searching, then you have a certain kind of knowledge, you know, from the inside also, the God feeling and intuition, and that's more than what we think.

[191] And this is not a reaction to how your body felt when you got out of the water, like you're saying, hmm, I feel like I get less sick, I feel like I'm healthier.

[192] Oh, yes.

[193] This is just, it was that, too.

[194] Yes, yes.

[195] But it was also, you felt internally that you were controlling it, like you could feel it.

[196] Yes, yes.

[197] Oh, yeah, you get a real sense.

[198] Listen, you are a fighter, for example.

[199] You got an opponent.

[200] But this time, the opponent is yourself.

[201] And you know it from the inside.

[202] And you feel it from the inside.

[203] And it makes you happy, it makes you strong, and makes you healthy.

[204] And this is what we have lost from nature.

[205] And now it's back.

[206] So in a sense, what you've done is, You tapped into something extremely primal by dealing with one of the most primal elements of all, which is cold.

[207] Yes.

[208] So in the vice documentary, I thought it was really fascinating.

[209] You said, cold is your God.

[210] Yes, it is.

[211] Yeah, if I had a teacher, I've never had a teacher.

[212] That's amazing.

[213] And no guru or mentor or a saifu or anything like that.

[214] The cold, that's my teacher.

[215] That's my God.

[216] dodging the cold since I was a little kid.

[217] It's amazing.

[218] You just felt compelled to jump into that.

[219] Yes.

[220] And what was, when you're saying this to people, when you're 31 years old and you're telling people, I can control my immune system, they must have been like, you're out of your fucking mind.

[221] Look at this guy.

[222] He's jumping in the freezing water and he says he can control his immune system.

[223] How did you convince people to the point that you got actual scientists to measure your blood do legitimate scientific studies on you like what was it your accomplishments like you you went for people who don't know you you did a bunch of really unbelievable tasks you you climbed everest in your shorts um did you have shoes on when you climbed everest yes i had to with spikes Spikes.

[224] Otherwise, it's too slippery.

[225] But I have no shirt on.

[226] No shirt on.

[227] That's insane.

[228] It's a...

[229] I think going by clothes is insane because it's like you're not challenging nature.

[230] You can go up with a car as well.

[231] And then you go up Everest.

[232] Anything artificial you use in nature doesn't make you having the right connection with nature.

[233] And what I wanted to challenge in all the challenges I did, like marathons, beyond the polar circle, in midwinter, and shorts, but also in the heat of the desert without drinking or hanging by one finger on one half kilometer like a mile up in the air.

[234] What?

[235] In wintertime.

[236] You hung up by one finger, a mile up in the air?

[237] Yes, yes.

[238] Where was this?

[239] And also in Holland, between two hot air balloons and then climbing between them.

[240] And then there was a, you know, a thing, a device.

[241] You just hooked it on with one finger?

[242] Yes.

[243] How long did you hang there for?

[244] 25 seconds.

[245] Jesus.

[246] 25 seconds.

[247] With one finger?

[248] And in wintertime.

[249] Oh, my God.

[250] In wintertime.

[251] You know, you lose control when the blood becomes colder in the hands.

[252] Yeah.

[253] You lose control.

[254] So that was the challenge.

[255] It's mind over matter.

[256] And I wanted to show that in all the challenges, the adaptive power of our, powers is enormous.

[257] But as we are not stimulating or using that anymore, you get a neglected body and become sick or half in its potency.

[258] It's all very logic.

[259] So the powers that our body has, the untapped powers that we probably had for millennia, dealing with the cold, dealing with the heat, dealing with adversity, dealing with struggle, all those powers are not being tapped into.

[260] so because of that, the body just atrophies, and it doesn't know what to do with itself.

[261] Exactly.

[262] You think that that may be also a cause of depression.

[263] Yes.

[264] I'm right now into new research.

[265] As soon as I want to do research, they did research on mindfulness, for example, mindfulness related to depression.

[266] And I think not only me, all to psychiatrists, They saw the blood values, the markers in the blood within our study.

[267] And most probably our method, this, what we just did, brings the people very much faster into controlling their endocrine system.

[268] The endocrine system is about hormonal balances in the body.

[269] And because we are not able to tap into that, we are victimized because of too much stress or this or this.

[270] daily life or whatever and we get depressed and we are not able to get out of it now this method because of tapping into the endocrine systems makes you feel you are able to rebalance the hormonal disturbance in the body creating eventual in length the depression so i want to research on this because my wife died in 95 because of suicide.

[271] I had four children with her.

[272] I was powerless then.

[273] My heart was broken and had no money, no nothing.

[274] And then this struggle and this fight began, I'm going to prove this to the world and create a shortcut for anybody who is depressed or sick and everything.

[275] And now we got the key.

[276] We got key to the endocrine systems and the immune systems, and anybody can do this.

[277] And because it is done by science, it's beyond speculation.

[278] We make it a choice.

[279] And that's why I'm on a mission.

[280] And this mission brings me here to Joe Rogan, who's a good guy.

[281] He's a fighter himself, and he loves life, and he brings it out.

[282] And he tries people out.

[283] I can see, I can tell.

[284] Try people out?

[285] Yeah, yeah, try people.

[286] Who are you?

[287] What are you doing?

[288] And things are that.

[289] I like it.

[290] I love it.

[291] And we need to do this because we got to change this world where there is no control.

[292] I mean, we can build, we can fly to the moon.

[293] We can make, this is more intelligence than the whole Apollo 13 project.

[294] Yes?

[295] We can, this is the fruit of our mind.

[296] and the power of our mind is enormous, but now it is time to use the same power to learn to control our happiness, strength, and health.

[297] And we have shown this now.

[298] So you feel like what happened with your wife, that your wife killed herself was due to depression, and you feel like that type of depression, the depression that a lot of people experience, is because their mind is not, stimulated the way it was intended to by nature.

[299] Is that a fair way of describing your thoughts on us?

[300] Absolutely.

[301] Absolutely.

[302] And that we're left with a residual effect of civilization in a way, where your mind is, it's overwhelmed with things that really are not natural, like living in a cubicle, the stress of office life, traffic, things that aren't natural.

[303] Exactly.

[304] We are living toward the system, but it should be going around.

[305] Right.

[306] The system, once again, should serve our happiness, strength, and health.

[307] And now we have proved that we are able to tap into the endocrine systems and the immune system far deeper.

[308] So we've got to try this.

[309] And it is natural.

[310] Anybody can do this in just a couple of days.

[311] Right now we are in the third year of the university books here in America.

[312] The testing the Iceman.

[313] It's not about me anymore.

[314] It's about the comparative study.

[315] And then it tells the endocrine systems and the immune systems.

[316] And it only takes one guy, is endurance, you know, believe that we are able to tap in deeper into our physiology, thus enabling, enabling the person to direct his hormonal secretions, strength.

[317] For example, lying in bed, as we told already, producing lying in bed.

[318] There's no rhinoceros coming to that guy.

[319] No, he's at ease.

[320] And he controls completely the stress hormone.

[321] And the controlled stress hormone works like medicine.

[322] A non -controlled stress hormone works in the end acidic.

[323] And that becomes no good.

[324] And that's we are victimized because we have no control in daily life anymore.

[325] But the stress is there.

[326] So the stress is there, but there's no physical exertion.

[327] Yes.

[328] And that's why they've shown tests that in many cases, exercise can be just as good as antidepressants, just as good as medication for people who are depressed, which totally makes sense if what you're saying is right.

[329] It totally makes sense.

[330] That your body like has a desire to exert itself, and it is a built -in system that's designed to deal with certain natural stresses, running from predators, dealing with the cold and dealing with weather and climate and nature and the adversities of the environment as far as like challenging yourself, climbing hills and exerting yourself.

[331] We don't do that that much.

[332] And because of that, that's what you think leads to this dis -ease of the brain.

[333] Yes.

[334] And, you know, for many people who are depressed, they are quite unable to get into their body and begin to run and things like that.

[335] it's a it's a it's the brain and where we are going to solve this by very easy techniques instead of them having to run because their environment is really pressing upon them they feel completely immobilized but if you are able to tap into the brain and let them make feel the change that he is changing the the chemistry of the brain then it becomes a different person much faster.

[336] But I'm subject to science, and I want more research on this, and soon we have the outcomes, and then we will tackle this problem with depression, because it's related to the endocrine systems and having no connection with it.

[337] normally the hypothalamus in our primitive brain the brain stem is not under our control but these breathing techniques deriving from being in the cold so much they are very effective not only in the cold which is stress but also in the heat also for a predator also on Mount Everest where there is a lack of oxygen outside and also for daily stress what was the first one of these experiments that you tried to do to try to show the effectiveness of your methods I was at a physiological department in the same university different department and that's the called physiological department and I stood there for 80 minutes in a tank full of ice for 80 minutes fully connected to wires being blood was taken so you just covered in ice covered in ice I've seen the pictures of it looks insane except for this arm because the blood was taken away from it and you know what they saw and I was talking to these people to these professors who were well everything was because I was very much in control and they saw the core temperature even rising Well, it was inside.

[338] Your core temperature was rising while you're covered in ice for 80 minutes.

[339] Yes, yes.

[340] You see, how much power we have, how much, you know, how much power cold can be.

[341] But how much more power we are able to learn to control.

[342] And that the blood taken from me while I was in the tank, I got a few remarkable results.

[343] One is the blood taken, it was exposed to endotoxygen.

[344] seen afterwards but in a laboratory without me ex -vivo it's called and they saw normally it has a very violent reaction on the immune cells in the in the in the in the in the in the glass of the the you know the laboratory and this time zero percent a hundred percent suppression and that's my blood 100 percent 100 percent so the endotoxic just gets squashed the moment it gets in there and that's the bacteria yeah and that's the immune system and that's the way we are actually built to be able to and that was one way they another remarkable thing before i was going into the tank they took blood from me as well and this blood was looked upon into it by a microscope and they saw 300 % more metabolic activity in the cell without moving.

[345] That's the mind.

[346] My mind was already into, I go inside that one in that box.

[347] I need to do 80 minutes.

[348] I program on up to cell level what I'm about to do.

[349] I need more energy because energy is needed to withstand the impact.

[350] of the cold.

[351] So I control my body by my mind, and that's all of us.

[352] And this mind then makes the connection with the hypothalamus, which is the brainstem, and that is able to control the hormonal system, the immune systems, the vascular system, all the systems.

[353] Now, when you say that your metabolic rate rose 300%, is that a normal thing because of the cold?

[354] Because that's one thing that they tell you that it's a great way to lose calories, just dress very lightly when it's cold outside, and it forces your body to work hard to stay warm.

[355] So it was an effect of that?

[356] Yeah, it was.

[357] It was.

[358] And that's also a thing about the brown fat adipose.

[359] We got all these cells, but as we never exposed to cold anymore, it doesn't, it's not stimulated.

[360] It's like a muscle.

[361] You're not a train.

[362] It becomes weaker.

[363] So we got also the cells which needs stimulation.

[364] I did experiments with the brown fat adipose in the nuclear department of nuclear medical department in Maastricht, a different university.

[365] And it showed that I had the same brown fat adipose levels as a young man, like 20 years, 15 years.

[366] They still have it.

[367] where you get older and you wear clothes and you lose it.

[368] It's logical, but I always expose myself to cold on a regular basis.

[369] So they had me exposed as well in an experiment like that.

[370] And they saw that I, with the same level of or amount of brown fat adipose cells, I could produce five times more energy.

[371] That's what they saw.

[372] So compared to these guys, because of the breathing and influencing on cell level, I was able to do five times more.

[373] And this could be a solution for people who have overweight, because when the fat is consumed, which is very in the moment when you need it, then it gets depleted, then the rest of the white fat in the body, is being withdrawn very systematically, very effectively, direct.

[374] And like five times more effective is maybe a solution for many people living in the West with obese problems and heart problems, vascular problems because of it, etc. There's a type of therapy that's becoming really popular here in America called cryotherapy.

[375] A lot of athletes use it.

[376] And I started using it a few years ago.

[377] a lot of people from jujitsu were telling me about this thing you go you stay in this it's a box it's 250 degrees below zero and you do three minutes in it yeah i do it four days a week now it's it's amazing it's nice it's amazing i get out of there i feel so great and i had my friend dr ronda patrick who's a scientist and she explained all the what's happening inside of it and then i took her to the to the chamber and had her stand in the uh the cryo chamber and she she said it was incredible when she got out of it.

[378] She was a scientist.

[379] She understands the body very well, so she knew that it was raising her levels of neoprenephrine and her whole body was being stimulated by this reaction to this extreme 250 degree below zero cold.

[380] Yes, I did it too.

[381] And yeah.

[382] Have you done the one where you get inside of it fully or the one that's just from the neck below?

[383] Fully and up till the neck a couple of times.

[384] And yeah, I guess.

[385] Yeah, I could stay quite long inside.

[386] I bet you could stay in there forever.

[387] What could you go in there for?

[388] I don't know.

[389] Maybe 10 minutes or something, but still feeling okay.

[390] Yeah, three minutes is okay.

[391] I do three minutes and 30 seconds and I do it more than anybody in the whole place.

[392] I can't believe you get to 10 minutes.

[393] Yeah, you know, it's a thing with nature.

[394] Just keep going and keep going and then just push your boundaries.

[395] That's it.

[396] But it is not necessary to reestablish the right natural connection between your brain and your endocrine systems and immune systems.

[397] Just a little bit of cold is enough to trigger the vascular system the right way, enabling it to work better with the nervous system, and then the breathing and focus, your mind.

[398] Like the mind was able without moving to produce 300 % more metabolic activity in the cell, that is mind.

[399] The mind is so much able to do so much more.

[400] And this is the quintesis.

[401] This is the essence of what I come to tell you.

[402] We got to change our belief.

[403] We got to change the way we think.

[404] It's like a paradigm shift.

[405] And why?

[406] Because we have proven with thousands and thousands of results beyond speculation that we are able, if we use our mind once again, not in dependency for doctors and this and that, and that, no, you are able to repair yourself whenever you feel not healthy or depressed or with a loss of energy, you know, strength, happiness, and health, then you should go in and breathe better.

[407] and that you will re -establish the connection with the endocrine systems, immune systems, and the brain together.

[408] And then repair whatever is producing an obstacle for you to function in the world.

[409] Maybe you are able to function in the world, but you don't feel good.

[410] You don't feel happy and you don't feel strong.

[411] So say if a person had a cold, a slight cold, what would you recommend they do?

[412] I would say breathing once Breathing your method Breathe in fully as hard and deep as you can And then just exhale a little bit And then breathe in as far as your lung to stretch And how many times Like 20 times Then take them in And then go to the place to the spot Where you feel the cold is happening Could be in the throat Could be Here could be You know somewhere in this part So go in your mind to that spot?

[413] You know what happens when I'm in the ice for an hour, for example?

[414] Most of the times I begin to feel it, the cold, at the part of the kidneys, which is mostly on the surface, and the cold gets there, the ice.

[415] Then I ain't got no...

[416] There is no way I'm able to move because it's like 6, 700 kilos of ice around me. And I'm not able even to breathe very much because it's pressurizing.

[417] What I learned is to think it away, within a minute.

[418] Within a minute, I make the difference from the brain to the kidneys and change the temperature like 10 degrees.

[419] This is a measurable thing?

[420] You've changed a measurable 10 degrees?

[421] Dr. Ken Kamler, who did experiments with me. I did records here in New York, in Florida.

[422] I don't know.

[423] I saw a couple of places.

[424] And while I was in the show, for example, Regis and Kelly show.

[425] You know the guys?

[426] Right.

[427] And he saw my core temperature was dropping, was dropped to 32 degrees Celsius, I don't know, but it's far low.

[428] very low.

[429] People are not normally not able to raise the temperatures anymore.

[430] They just go into unconsciousness and coma and things like that.

[431] But I rose the temperature back and he said he never had seen a person do that because physiologically stated in the science books it's not possible.

[432] And I say, you know so much more is possible that not only connecting with your core temperature, but also with the endocrine systems.

[433] No, when you say you were raising your temperature, what was the environment that you were raising your temperature in, where you were in the water while this was happening?

[434] Yes, in the tank.

[435] So you're in the tank, freezing cold, and you raise your temperature from there?

[436] Yes.

[437] That's amazing.

[438] No, what we are able to do, that's amazing.

[439] Life is amazing.

[440] Life's pretty amazing.

[441] Living is home.

[442] wonder and we have to re -experience that.

[443] And that's the paradigm shift.

[444] We are able to learn to control.

[445] It needs some steady attention.

[446] Like a baby needs attention to grow up.

[447] We need to pay attention to ourselves again.

[448] Trust ourselves again.

[449] Believe.

[450] Believing is neurotransmitters in the right way.

[451] And when it connects with the body again and we got the techniques and it has been shown with thousands of results that we are able to control the endocrine systems or a better set.

[452] Our mood, becoming happy, yes or no, serotonin, melatonin, demetone, demetil tryptamine, and all the other hormones, we are able to tap into that system.

[453] We have shown that.

[454] Another one, the strength, which is adrenaline, epinephrine, norapinephrine, noradrenaline, cortisol, and all that, we have shown.

[455] More than somebody lying in bed than somebody going into a bunker jam.

[456] That's strength.

[457] And then health.

[458] Health is the immune systems.

[459] Learning to tap into the immune systems.

[460] And like cryotherapy, as you were talking, mentioning, it goes up till the bone marrow.

[461] And it activates these blood markers over there and people with arthritis, then are able to move a barrier again.

[462] after a session like that.

[463] But we, with these breathing techniques, we get into the bone marrow as well.

[464] And there we have the T cells.

[465] The T cells and the B cells.

[466] And they are a part of the specific immune system.

[467] And the specific immune system normally only begins to work after two weeks.

[468] And then the body knows what kind of molecules it needs to produce to kill the intruder cell.

[469] and it gets on the membrane, the skin of the cell, and it kills it.

[470] Instead of inflamating the older body, it goes very specifically.

[471] But it takes two weeks.

[472] We do it in one quarter of an hour with this breathing.

[473] And only with this breathing, you are able to control the pH level.

[474] And the pH level right as we are mammals.

[475] If you look in nature, you see all these mammals.

[476] If you take blood from them, they all have the right pH degree, very alkaline.

[477] But only because we wear clothes and we live in the comfort zone.

[478] We do not stimulate.

[479] Thus, oxygen doesn't get as deep as it could.

[480] You have shown this, two and a half minutes without air in the lungs.

[481] That means the capacity to store up oxygen is far bigger than you normally use.

[482] that's still pretty minor though right like what you you held your breath for seven minutes is that what you did yes and under the eyes and but that once again that that what did you do you have been fighting people I never could win off because I was not trained to do that you have trained to do that I trained to do this that that's the range of possibilities but it's very unimportant we don't need to know heroes we need to become healthy strong and happy does it matter whether you breathe in through your nose or in through your mouth because there's a big thing in yoga and they teach you that and a lot of other in jiu -jitsu they try to teach you to breathe in through your nose i wrote books on the subject before now i say doesn't matter what kind of hole you use just get it in that's it you know these girls and these women are asking I just tell them that.

[483] Make a joke, but the serious thing is we got it scientifically endorsed.

[484] No speculation.

[485] Just do it.

[486] It is easy, accessible, very effective.

[487] Because the idea is when you breathe in through your mouth, it induces panic breathing.

[488] That's what they say in jiu -jitsu, to keep yourself calm.

[489] You're supposed to breathe in through your nose and out through your mouth, in through your nose and out through your mouth.

[490] And in yoga, they try to teach you to do the entire class through your mouth.

[491] your nose.

[492] You don't think it matters.

[493] Yeah.

[494] No, it doesn't matter at all.

[495] I want to tell them that tomorrow.

[496] Yeah, just do it.

[497] In this technique, which has been shown as the first group in the world to be able to tap into the autonomic nervous system, related to the immune system and the cream system, it shows the depth.

[498] And this depth normally is a result maybe of yogis who are really going into samadis, and daranas and into the kundalini up to the sahasrara and all that the kumbaka yogis and I know all this all the terminology I've been doing Sanskrit and Hindi and before but I thought to be far too complicated they you know they made it into a myth we Westerners we have no time.

[499] We want to understand things the way we are living and I thought to simplify it and science backed it up.

[500] Now when you're talking about your breathing, you were saying that when you were young, that you when you discovered this type of breathing that you could see the lights.

[501] Yes.

[502] You know, that's one of the core components of Kundalini yoga.

[503] Yeah, chakras.

[504] Yeah, that they experience this intense state due to the specific type of breath?

[505] I haven't practiced it.

[506] This is the nervous system.

[507] I could make you do this in 15 minutes.

[508] And what are you, but what is that?

[509] Is it just your body's production of psychedelic chemicals?

[510] Nervous system.

[511] Nervous system.

[512] The nervous system is about electrical potentials.

[513] So it's just firing?

[514] That's it.

[515] And you are just manipulating the nervous system, pressurizing it, and then electricity comes out bigger.

[516] So what you were saying before about someone who has a so you would tell them to utilize your breathing method and concentrate on the area in which they're sick.

[517] Like if they have a lung infection, concentrate on clearing the lungs.

[518] Any infection, any disease, anything they got, we have the ability to connect with our body.

[519] You just have to absolutely believe it.

[520] And you have to absolutely be focused on it.

[521] If you want your phone, if I want my phone, then I need to grab this one.

[522] Not this one.

[523] Not this one and not that.

[524] I have to be busy with what I'm doing.

[525] You have to grab the actual phone.

[526] You got to go to the place where something is happening.

[527] So if there is a disturbance, you go to the disturb until you release it.

[528] You've got to learn to connect once again.

[529] That's the change of the belief.

[530] The change of the belief is nothing more than the mind, which is neurotransmitters, electrical potentials, and use it once.

[531] again, instead of being alienated because of comfort behavior, you learn to use these neural microbiological patterns again, which are existent.

[532] But they are down -exercise, un -exercised.

[533] And that's why we don't trust them because they are not so strong.

[534] Learn that these are very capable of you making connection with the endocrine systems, immune.

[535] systems far deeper, thus being able to control happiness, health and strength.

[536] And we are going to prove this more and more because I'm dealing with the universities.

[537] And I want to, I want cold measurements, figures, statistics, no speculation.

[538] Well, that's what separates you from a lot of people who have made these crazy claims.

[539] You've actually done physical feats that show extraordinary abilities.

[540] What you did in Mount Everest, no one's done before.

[541] And I've never even heard of any attempting to do something like that.

[542] You ran a marathon, a half marathon in Finland.

[543] Did you run a barefoot?

[544] Yes.

[545] Above, I mean, you were, you were, how cold was it out?

[546] It was like minus 30 outside?

[547] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[548] And you were shirtless, right?

[549] Yeah, yeah, just shorts.

[550] Shorts, barefoot, you run a half mile at minus 30.

[551] So that's, what's that, 13 miles?

[552] Yeah, 13 miles.

[553] 13 miles.

[554] Jesus.

[555] Yeah, what's something, what's something, man. But that's undeniable, that's undeniable.

[556] So when people, is that why you started doing these things so that people would pay attention to what you're doing?

[557] Because when you hear someone's doing that, when you hear someone's climbing around Everston, their shorts, you go, what?

[558] Okay, what is he doing?

[559] How's he doing that?

[560] And then when you find out you're incredibly healthy and you're vibrant and you're doing all these things and you're allowing yourself to be tested and you're showing this ability to regulate your immune system.

[561] I mean, this is all incredibly exciting stuff, and then the scientists come in because then they're like, okay, what is going on here?

[562] Exactly.

[563] And we have to change our beliefs about what is possible with the human mind.

[564] Exactly.

[565] And be very clear about it.

[566] No speculation.

[567] It all began with, you know, when I felt so powerless with my wife then, those days, I loved her to death, but not in that way, of course.

[568] I work now with the four children I have with her.

[569] I had with her, I still have with her.

[570] And I began to, I only could find rest and peace within the depth of my own being emotionally.

[571] You know, you cannot see it, but it is there.

[572] And for that, I went into nature.

[573] I began to climb without gear and go into the ice more.

[574] And this made me silent within.

[575] That was my curing.

[576] It calmed your, all the horrible stress.

[577] and depression.

[578] Emotion is stress.

[579] And later on, I began to understand about it.

[580] But then it caught the attention of the news.

[581] And then they began to ask, but are you able to do this then too?

[582] And I told them, oh, yeah, I can do that.

[583] I can swim under the ice like distances.

[584] Oh, yeah, I can climb a mountain barefoot in the snow.

[585] Yeah, I can hang by one finger in the air.

[586] Yeah, I can run a marathon shirtless beyond the polar circle midwinter.

[587] I can do all this.

[588] And then signs came in.

[589] It came into the, you know, newspapers and the Internet and all that.

[590] And they took, how is this possible?

[591] Did they not believe you at first?

[592] Yeah, of course.

[593] If somebody tells in the books, in the university books now, which have been dedicating one chapter about the Iceman, which is the study which we did.

[594] There you see the old story where professors normally, they say, yeah, this is not possible.

[595] In the books stated, it is not possible to do a half -mariton barefoot or climbing Mount Everest that way because of the physiology of ours and the hardships outside.

[596] It's not possible.

[597] this guy is doing it so how so began to raise questions and then they invited me to be tested and they were skeptical of course they were absolutely skeptical and only won't clinical proof of what I was doing which surpassed the physiological loss stated in the in the books if I was able to produce that in laboratory settings and then they had you know something to start off with to do do, which could be a possible method or abilities, evidence -based, helping people who are sick.

[598] And now we are going to do more clinical studies showing sick people to be able to cure a lot faster or not to having to make use of as much medicine as they do now, because Yeah, I'm not anti -pharmaceuticals or anything lighter because I'm not into politics.

[599] But I want people to know there is so much more within every person here in the world, which will enable you to tackle a disease, unhappiness, and having no energy or strength.

[600] And we are able to do that.

[601] And that's love.

[602] I want to bring back love in the world constituted by happiness, strength, and health.

[603] It's just fascinating that it takes you're such an outlier that it took one person to come up with this method and one person to challenge these ideas that the body can't do this and now they have to reconsider.

[604] There's seven billion people on the planet.

[605] We've been around for who knows how long with thousands of years of written history and then they had these laws that they believed that the body was capable of doing and not capable of doing.

[606] This is where it ends.

[607] That your body can't do this.

[608] Your body can't do that.

[609] And you came along.

[610] One guy, Wim Hof, you come along and you change everything.

[611] That's amazing.

[612] That's truly, truly amazing.

[613] It's amazing.

[614] You know, I was never out there to change the world, but because of, you know, things happened in my life, I was triggered in the depth of my body.

[615] and even in the emotional part, as I explained before, because of my wife and all that.

[616] And now I'm very, very certain I got a mission.

[617] It was born in 2007 in the Feinstein Institute, Manhattan, New York, when Dr. Kevin Kamler gave me the results of a blood result after an experiment in the Feinstein Institute, which is a biochemicals institute.

[618] And he told me, if you are able to reproduce these results and pass it on to a group of persons, say, in two weeks, then that would mean huge consequences for human mankind.

[619] Then I, the missionary was born.

[620] My mission was born.

[621] And since then, I want to get into it and beyond speculation, prove it by evidence.

[622] and it is belief emotion and believe are very close together we lost the emotion we lost the feeling the sensitivity and we lost the belief within ourselves and we got a go back to the belief believe is able to tackle science believe is able to tackle any problem in life by every person and believe is chemistry and we have to go back to their chemistry and we are showing this inside by scientific evidence and a result we i think what you're doing is so important and it's so important to to human beings because we were existing we we were operating under a false assumption and this false assumption had made it into textbooks and if a guy like you comes along and shows a method for changing changing your physiology and if you could teach that to children early on you would change their operating paradigm you would change the way their mind views the world you would change it would change that's why i'm here that's why i'm here at joe rogans already thank you i'm right on here it's pleasure handshake shirt now i understand why you can hang by one finger what is that feeling like man when you're hanging a mile in the air by one finger what is that feeling like i felt great you know all the all the things that i do i never know it before i'm doing it so you never know what it's going to feel like yeah yeah what's practice hanging from your finger before you did it?

[623] Oh, yeah, yeah, but then at home, yeah, if you fall when you, yeah, you just fall 30 centimeters.

[624] Right, you know, but over there, it's a different thing.

[625] But, you know, you learn to surpass your fears, and you learn to calculate with your body as a part of the calculation.

[626] What was the scariest one of these stunts that you tried to attempt?

[627] Scariest.

[628] What about the one you...

[629] Most exciting, most...

[630] most of the fear because fear is just you know an advising signal within which was the one maybe swimming under the ice so I lost track listen to this story this is nice I had no goggles on when I dove like one meter thick ice so the ice is three feet thick for people don't know what a meter is you're diving into the water and where is this in Finland Finland so the water beyond a polar polar circle insanely cold water it's it's like needles but I was trained I did not even feel the needles because that that's one thing and then I did my breathing really good this was the day before I was going to do attempting to do a world record so I had a general repetition and there was nobody only one diver somewhere but he was not in the water and to me I didn't want to just try and train half the distance or so no if I have to do it tomorrow I'm going to do all the distance now but nobody took real attention and nobody was so serious they only thought we had the safety around the real record with the television and this and all that so I began to do this breathing which you just did and then at a certain point I was so lightheaded and this and that but then in the water in the cold and you become fully charged with oxygen so much that your pH levels go really up there you feel lost first you need to go under the ice and then you begin to swim stroke by stroke every stroke is something more than a yard.

[631] How far are you going under the ice?

[632] The length in that rocket was about 60 yards.

[633] So 60 yards holding your breath under the ice.

[634] But like 40 hours later I could not see anything anymore because the retina froze.

[635] Your retina froze.

[636] Yes.

[637] Retina froze.

[638] And I missed hole at 60 yards and I was counting subconsciously I had it all figured out so much strokes that means then I'll arrive at the other hole how far in did you go blunt like like 70 75 yards it's when I need to go back you only think very instinctively at that moment here there is no space for thinking.

[639] And now when you say you went blind, how much could you see?

[640] Very little?

[641] A blur.

[642] A blur.

[643] Blur.

[644] Yes.

[645] So I went on swimming and trying to find a way to the hole, but I never found it.

[646] And I actually, in the distance, I made the biggest distance ever.

[647] I could never reproduce this.

[648] But doesn't matter.

[649] The thing is, I lost fear of death right over there.

[650] It's like every animal in the world dies, you know, in peace.

[651] When they die not of an accident or this or that.

[652] Because the blood is alkaline.

[653] pH level is really up.

[654] And the body is able to retreat in the nervous system, then go into the central nervous system, and then the tunnel of the light, and that's it.

[655] You go to sleep.

[656] And I had the same sensation.

[657] My pH levels were so rosen before I went in that there was never a lack of oxygen or the lack of oxygen was there, but it was never disturbing with withdrawal of the energy.

[658] It was absolutely no panic.

[659] Actually, I felt a little bit good, you know, like a rush, like going to sleep.

[660] Wow.

[661] So you thought you were close to death.

[662] Yes.

[663] So somebody grabbed you and said you.

[664] Like two times I experienced this.

[665] I lost my fear of death.

[666] And that's a personal story.

[667] I wouldn't try it under, you know, beneath the water, these breathing exercises.

[668] You have to learn first to recondition your body to its natural state.

[669] And then you get a different connection.

[670] You are more able and become more conscious of your abilities.

[671] So someone grabbed you and brought you to the hole?

[672] Yes.

[673] to the 50 meter hole back.

[674] So you had turned around and went backwards, trying to find out where the hole was.

[675] Yes.

[676] Yes.

[677] So there was more than one hole was set up?

[678] Hole was here.

[679] Hole was there.

[680] I went that way.

[681] So one was set up in 50 meters?

[682] Oh, you said you missed it.

[683] I tried there.

[684] And then they brought me back here.

[685] Okay.

[686] So for people...

[687] I did more than double the distance.

[688] So for people listening, you missed it by going to the right, and then you went to the left and you couldn't find it.

[689] So there was a 50 meter hole and then when was the second hole?

[690] 70 meters?

[691] No, no, no. It just One 50 meter hole.

[692] One 50 meter hole.

[693] Okay, there was just one hole.

[694] So you just totally missed it.

[695] Yeah.

[696] And so then they brought you back to the hole.

[697] Yeah.

[698] So you did accomplish what you set out to, but you did it with, while being blind.

[699] Yeah, yeah.

[700] I'm still blind.

[701] And double the distance.

[702] Did it mess with your vision at all permanently?

[703] No, no, no, no. No. So when you got out of the water, how long was it before you could see again?

[704] Almost directly.

[705] Really?

[706] Almost directly.

[707] Yeah, the blur stayed a little.

[708] But that's what...

[709] I began to...

[710] As oxygen comes back, you...

[711] Almost directly was restored again.

[712] One of the things that I found fascinating about the cryotank is that your eyeballs don't get cold.

[713] I'm like, why does everything get cold, but my eyes don't get cold?

[714] I've found that fascinating when I'm outside and I'm freezing cold, too.

[715] It's never the eyeball itself.

[716] And I don't know if there's a lack of nerve endings or I don't know what it is.

[717] We are not built to swim on the rise, but we are built to be able to walk like Inuits outside for hours and days and maintain vision, because that's survival.

[718] Right, but you can also get snowblind, right?

[719] Yes, with the white.

[720] Yeah, the white.

[721] Somehow another, the reflection off the white.

[722] Yeah, that's the different story.

[723] Yes.

[724] Yeah, with the white.

[725] Like on Mount Everest, on these mountains.

[726] actually we are not built to get up there either I found out but it's a amazing you did it and you did it in shorts yes and that piss off the other people that are trying to climb Everest so did that piss off the other people that are trying to climb Everest because yeah I don't think it is a challenge to do it in clothes yeah anything it's no challenge you are not in contact with this a natural environment at that moment.

[727] But, well, how come so many people die if it's not a challenge?

[728] It seems like it's a big challenge.

[729] Are they just not prepared properly?

[730] Yeah, yeah.

[731] There's a lack of oxygen over there.

[732] Uh -huh.

[733] And if you use all the time oxygen at a certain point, you don't use oxygen, and you get in a storm or a blast or there, a wide out, things.

[734] Yeah, then you're just lost.

[735] Yeah, simply lost.

[736] Up there, it's a different loss.

[737] Now, listen, I am going for the fourth time now climbing Kilimanjaro in January coming.

[738] And I teach people to do it in a record time without mountaineering experience and even having, you know, diseases like Roma or asthma or chronic diseases, things like that.

[739] in four months, four days, actually, one day in one month, I train them, and then they have to do homework, say, exercising at home and believing, just be in it.

[740] No, no ego, we go, I always tell.

[741] And then in four months, the oldest participant without mountaineering experience is 76 years old, and we are going to do it in a record time.

[742] That's learning.

[743] how to use, if you know how to use the adaptive power of ours, and you endorse it with the right breathing and believe, the belief was the neurotransmitters who are influencing on cell level, the breathing brings about the right pH level, and then the adaptive force is able to adapt, to enter into the body, because the chemistry is right.

[744] And when you say the right pH levels, is this something that's been measured?

[745] Yes, the difference in the pH levels of your body from this?

[746] Yes, we just completed new studies.

[747] And it showed that all the people who were doing this, they had a pH level average of 7 .8 and then went down to the normal real natural standard, which is 7 .3, 7 .4.

[748] But most of us, we have lower and more acidic states levels of pH degrees.

[749] And we did research on pain.

[750] Now, if you are able to control to 7 .6 pH level, you are able to control the pain signal.

[751] It falls apart.

[752] Trimerization, trimere.

[753] It's the three components.

[754] And if you bring up the pH level controlled to 7 .6, it falls apart.

[755] You don't feel the pain anymore.

[756] And we lost the ability to suppress or control the pain.

[757] Now, with this breathing, influencing on the pH level consciously, you're able to learn to control the pain.

[758] We just finished the studies.

[759] And 100 % school once again.

[760] Wow.

[761] Now, this Mount Kilimanjaro thing, is this the first time you've ever led a group of people?

[762] Say a third time already.

[763] Would you like anything else to drink?

[764] No, no, but yeah, more coffee or anything?

[765] Oh, yeah, beer.

[766] Yeah.

[767] Okay, let's get a few beers, Jim.

[768] Oh, yeah.

[769] Oh, boy, here we go.

[770] Yes, yeah, man. So, this Mount Kilimanjaro thing, you're going to take these people.

[771] Do you have any concern or taking a 76 -year -old person and not any understanding of their physical condition?

[772] Do you're going to give them a thorough examination or have someone do that?

[773] How are you going to approach that?

[774] You know after 30 years or 35 years, almost 40 years already, you know, experience of exposing the body, the physiology to extremes, I know and I can feel if I'm fit or somebody is able or fit to do and being part of a calculation in the extreme.

[775] I learn to climb without gear on rocks.

[776] that means you read the rock first and then you are part of the calculation.

[777] There's Sam Adams in there?

[778] Yeah.

[779] Get some of those too.

[780] Hey, have a nice view, man. Yeah, have a Heineken.

[781] That's from your people, right?

[782] No, that's not, that's German, right?

[783] Boston, Boston.

[784] Oh, is that a Boston?

[785] Yesterday it was in Boston.

[786] Boston is in Chicago and the other one.

[787] Yeah.

[788] Oh, so it's Heineken.

[789] But Heineken, what is that?

[790] It's that from Germany?

[791] Amsterdam.

[792] Isn't it from Amsterdam?

[793] Your people.

[794] Yeah.

[795] Yeah, your people, yeah.

[796] Well, your people have accomplished some incredible things.

[797] Holland is the birthplace, well, not the birthplace, but one of the greatest kickboxing nations in the world.

[798] Yeah, yeah.

[799] I'm training Alistair over it.

[800] I want to talk about that.

[801] So what are you doing for Alster?

[802] The same I did with you and get into you.

[803] Yeah, you know, if you do.

[804] Cheers.

[805] Yeah, cheers, man. All right.

[806] So with Alster, how did Alster find out about you and how did this get started?

[807] Alastair is absolutely not stupid.

[808] He's a controlling, an intelligent person.

[809] Yeah, he's a very smart guy.

[810] He's calculating what he is doing.

[811] And he's trying to get always the best out of it.

[812] So he came to me because of people saying, hey, this guy is scientifically endorsed.

[813] he got some methods about breathing and focus and it's all been measured so he asked me to come by and he came by this is in holland in holland in amsterdam where this beer come from cheers cheers and we just had we had a talk and the man is so in control of his body he can read my mind when he's talking with me if I'm being right because he can feel what happens with his logic and his body so he thought it to be right and okay and then he's listening he's a pupil he's very humble he's a nice guy that's all and he is learning listening expecting.

[814] Okay.

[815] And then he took it up.

[816] I told him what to do.

[817] I told them you have to regain the connection with the hormonal system.

[818] You know, when you fight, you try everything and your hormonal system gets out of balance, sort of is possible.

[819] From stress.

[820] Yeah, from stress.

[821] Training.

[822] Yeah.

[823] And those people live in the extremes.

[824] So your hormonal system gets out of control and we bring it back first and you know you know what you want you want to win but more of it you want to have control within and you want to feel that you are able to stare and direct your body and in the training you want to get better but if you frustrate yourself then it's because of hormonal disbalance and you're training training training but it doesn't get through.

[825] And what we do is just taking away the blockages and the balance, the disbalance.

[826] Thus, you got an open way because you want to win, you want to increase, you want to become better, and you know your feeling.

[827] And take up with cold water, I told him.

[828] And easy does it.

[829] You know, you begin with cold showers.

[830] That's all.

[831] And now he's taking cold baths, you know, ice bath every day.

[832] And two weeks later, he told me he is improving so much that he regained the connection with his deeper physiological systems, the endocrine and the immune system as well, but he is healthy already.

[833] But endocrine systems, that's important for him because, you know, it's pure adrenaline what happens when you do a match.

[834] But you're living toward it.

[835] I have learned how to deal with the mind.

[836] I explained about the mind as well.

[837] And now, two weeks later, I got a phone.

[838] He told me, I'm going to win.

[839] Why?

[840] Because I feel I'm in charge with my own body.

[841] And I'm not talking, you know, bigger.

[842] Alastar over him is his person.

[843] I don't know the way he is now, but I'm going to meet him, say, next week, and do a last training, directing, simply awakening his ability, like everybody, the ability to connect with the deeper physiological systems within our body, enabling us to do about anything because this adaptive power is really so far out.

[844] Well, for fighters, that could be a huge advantage because one of the big things that happens to them during hard training is their endocrine system starts to break down.

[845] Their testosterone levels are very, very low during training camps because they're oftentimes over -training, meaning their body can't recover.

[846] They're training so hard that the body doesn't have enough time to recover.

[847] Do you think that you can stimulate the production of testosterone in people's bodies?

[848] Oh, yes.

[849] You know, think logically.

[850] Testosterone is about procreation and all that, you know, and a defense of your territory.

[851] It's a natural thing.

[852] But if you keep on training, training, training, training, then the body shuts down because there is no need to defend.

[853] You are looking for some imaginary opponent.

[854] That's what the nature of this endocrine system is telling you.

[855] So you have to learn to control this primitive, reactive part of our.

[856] It's a primitive brain, the brain stem, and learn to bring it under your dominion.

[857] And as we are, if you take on too much adrenaline, then it becomes acidic and you mess up the endocrine systems.

[858] Very logic.

[859] Now, we have shown that without for us, we are able to produce more adrenaline than somebody in, in a, going into a bunker jump.

[860] you know we're very fearful and how do you do that like you were saying that earlier like if someone's lying on the back what did you do the breathing method exactly but do you have them visualize something terrifying or no once again if I if I want my beer I'm not grabbing this telephone right no neither this one now it is my beer you know and just be busy with what you what you are aiming at okay that's it and visualization comes from itself you know you see a mountain and you feel I want to climb this then you it'll be there every time you are there and tuning the body toward the the eventual performance and this is the way it is done inside and sometimes you can you know visualize first and then but I say like breathing by the nose by this Oh, it doesn't matter what kind of hole you use.

[861] Just make it happen.

[862] But how do you stimulate adrenaline, though?

[863] Like, if you have someone lie in the back, like, if you have me lie on my back and I'm starting to do your breathing exercises.

[864] Gotcha.

[865] You know what we do?

[866] Okay.

[867] They saw it in the university.

[868] They saw...

[869] They got these devices to measure the saturation of oxygen in the blood.

[870] And normally, at sea level, Like here, it's like 100%.

[871] But this is only the measurement device.

[872] They created it.

[873] And it goes from 100 % to 30%.

[874] 30 % everybody is dead.

[875] Something like that.

[876] At 40, 50 normally, there people die.

[877] So they have these measurements.

[878] They measured us.

[879] No, the guys I trained.

[880] And they saw not only 100%, but probably 150%.

[881] But the measurement device is wrong.

[882] It's just based on what we think that our body is capable of.

[883] I put this aside.

[884] We do this breathing exercise.

[885] Then you see directly on the monitors what happens if you are without air in the lungs, staying without air in the lungs, like you did, two and a half minutes.

[886] What happens, everybody after one -a -half minute got to this 100 % on the device, on the monitor, probably 150, but it was only visually shown and invisible after one -a -half minute that the 100 % was reached.

[887] Then it went into 90, 80, 70, 60, 50, 40, 30.

[888] Measurement device shuts down.

[889] We go even lower.

[890] And then the body, the primitive brain, the brainstem, the reptilian brain, who only reacts on cold, like reptilians, cold, warm, deprivation of air, things like that.

[891] You know, very primitive.

[892] We got the brainstem of ours, works like that.

[893] It reacts.

[894] So at that moment, it doesn't think.

[895] There is no oxygen.

[896] No, it just reacts because there is no oxygen inside the body.

[897] But because the pH levels, we went, have been risen, nothing is happening to the body.

[898] But the primitive brain is reacting, the brain stem.

[899] And it gets into this survival mode.

[900] And so much that adrenaline, wow, is over there.

[901] So it's just about holding the breath for long periods of time while you raise the pH level.

[902] How simple is it?

[903] Wow.

[904] And that causes a dread.

[905] Well, that makes sense.

[906] And that way, without any damage in the brain or nothing like that, it also begins to, if you do it on a regular basis, it begins to reestablish neural patterns between the neocortex, the surface of the brain, our thinking, and the primitive brain.

[907] That makes sense because when you had me hold my breath and I only did it for two minutes, but I was starting to panic.

[908] I was starting, like my body was going, what are you doing, dude?

[909] What are you doing?

[910] Come on, breathe, bitch.

[911] My body was telling me, come on, breathe, breathe.

[912] Hey, Joe Rogan is a bitch.

[913] I call myself a bitch all the time.

[914] Me too.

[915] That's my secret.

[916] My secret is I'm not a fan of me. Life is a bitch.

[917] My secret is I'm not very impressed by me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, me too, me too.

[918] Mm -hmm.

[919] Now, this Mount Kilimanjaro thing, I want to get back to that because that, to me, what's dangerous about that is not you, because I think that you have a very deep understanding of who you are and what you're capable of, and obviously you've done amazing things.

[920] But these other people, how do you know them?

[921] How do you know these folks?

[922] Yeah, how do you feel?

[923] You love that.

[924] Knowing as understanding.

[925] Feeling as understanding.

[926] And we have the ability Like living in a you know We're a pack of wolves No, we are mammals too In a pack of people We are able to exist in nature And as I know the challenges In nature How to counteract With the interaction with the nature I know how to lead people Through Extreme In extreme conditions And I already did it twice First were 26 people The oldest one was 65 people without mountaineering experience and with four bypasses, coronary bypasses.

[927] He was 65 years old?

[928] And coronary bypasses.

[929] And a guy with cancer, two people with the disease of Crohn, one with Roma, arthritis.

[930] What is Roma?

[931] Roma.

[932] Roma, arthritis.

[933] Is it a thyroid?

[934] Yeah, arthritis, atrosis, all kinds.

[935] And autoimmune disease.

[936] Right.

[937] And we had a lot of them.

[938] MS.

[939] Multiple sclerosis, for example.

[940] And you've been able to help those people improve their conditions?

[941] Not only.

[942] There are 26 people.

[943] And we told them in the press, we are going to climb the Kilimanjaro in three days, in shorts.

[944] And everybody's saying, but in this condition, without mountaineering experience, people are going to die.

[945] The physiology states that this is not possible.

[946] Right.

[947] Many, many, many, many arguments.

[948] And then we didn't do it in three days, we did it in two days.

[949] Oh my God.

[950] And they changed these guys.

[951] They have a lot more control within their lives and they know from within.

[952] Then last year, or this year, January, we did it once again over and we did it.

[953] We took 16 hours off from the two days, from the 46 hours, went to 31.

[954] 48 hours to 31 hours.

[955] And this time, the oldest man is 76.

[956] I can feel it.

[957] If one is able to do it, it's him.

[958] And then I still have to see about the youngsters.

[959] Because their mind is yet not so in connection with the body.

[960] That's interesting that you say that because ultramarathons are typically run by older people.

[961] it's one of the more interesting aspects of that endurance sport is brain -body connection they're also tougher yes and you know like the bushman they hunt a kudu like for two days and the kudu is and they just persistence training that's us we do conscious breathing and this conscious breathing is a neural pattern between the body and mind and the animal hasn't got it Well, the animal is also not physiologically capable, running long distances like a person is.

[962] They tire out.

[963] They're built for sprints.

[964] And that's what they do.

[965] They just wear them out.

[966] They persistent hunt.

[967] They chase them down and they wear them out.

[968] But oftentimes, they're too exhausted at the end of it to even enjoy it.

[969] Yes.

[970] Yes.

[971] Okay.

[972] But it shows once again.

[973] The mind.

[974] The mind and the breathing.

[975] Because the breathing, when people get a headache, which is the first sign of acclimatory.

[976] Problems, high altitude disease, AMS, acute mountain sickness is what it is.

[977] Then just make them breathe and bring more oxygen to the brain.

[978] So if you're climbing up, you're not using any of those oxygen tanks that a lot of those people use.

[979] Nothing like that.

[980] And when you hear about people dying up there, do you think that you could have helped those people if you taught them breathing techniques?

[981] Oh, yes, yes.

[982] Oh, absolutely.

[983] I saw all the, you know, 26 people, ranging from 22 to 65 with coronary problems with all these diseases and still able to do within two days in shorts.

[984] They're all in shorts.

[985] They're all in shorts.

[986] Seventy -year -old guys in shorts.

[987] Yes, yes.

[988] And women, yeah, not only in shorts.

[989] Wow.

[990] It happens, you know.

[991] And it's possible.

[992] People transform.

[993] People get back to their natural habits.

[994] That's it.

[995] That's a big responsibility to take a group of people like that and to be...

[996] You understand.

[997] It is a big responsibility.

[998] But I'm so sure because I trust nature.

[999] So I just respond to what I feel naturally with these people.

[1000] But what if you get somebody with you that's a legitimate bitch?

[1001] Like what if someone signs up for it and they just fold under pressure?

[1002] There are people like that that do that.

[1003] Yeah, I know.

[1004] I know what you mean.

[1005] I say no ego, we go.

[1006] Right.

[1007] Like before.

[1008] Right.

[1009] And this is that.

[1010] And I got a very good sense of control and detecting if somebody is hiding something.

[1011] Because if you hide something and you have an attitude on the mountain, the mountain is much stronger than you.

[1012] It is going to break you.

[1013] And you think that would be a big issue, the attitude of the person?

[1014] Yes.

[1015] Yes.

[1016] It will horrify.

[1017] the person's situation and then it's not you know he will he will block us of going up and get a rhythm out it's just a problem but he won't be he or she won't be able to get up on the mountain anymore and you're saying an attitude meaning like a negative attitude or an attitude of ego like the ego protecting you from giving in and and realizing your true potential right You have to learn to let go, like in the cold as well.

[1018] You have to learn to let go.

[1019] Then things can happen in the body naturally.

[1020] And that you are able to manipulate.

[1021] And they can absorb your mindset as well.

[1022] They can absorb your example.

[1023] And that's one of the things, like I can tell just talking to you and being around you, that you have this very powerful belief in what you're saying and what you're doing.

[1024] And when people around you and they give in.

[1025] That's Joe Rogan telling me that, huh?

[1026] He's a fucking good bitch, man. We love life.

[1027] I love you, man. I love you, too.

[1028] People absorb that.

[1029] When people around someone like you that has this legitimate, powerful belief in what you're saying and what you've proven to be true, then other people absorb that.

[1030] And it's a thing that if someone has an attitude, meaning a negative attitude, they have too much ego, they're going to say, well, who the fucks this guy?

[1031] Well, why does he think he knows this?

[1032] Well, you know, you know what I've done?

[1033] let me tell you what I've done, you know.

[1034] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1035] That type of person is going to fall apart, right?

[1036] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1037] I always say, yes, the heart nature is my teacher, and he is merciless but righteous.

[1038] Mm, yeah, merciless but righteous is true.

[1039] You know what is possible because you have achieved it, and they know that you know this truly.

[1040] You know, there are people, you know, in Taekwondo, the teacher is, uh, you know, called Sabom Nym, you know, like Sensei and Karate.

[1041] Sabam Nim is the Korean version of it.

[1042] And what that means, the literal translation is one who leads by example.

[1043] Wow.

[1044] But you leading by this example, you're doing this and showing these people that this is all possible.

[1045] Yes.

[1046] They absorb that.

[1047] That's one of the reasons why it's so important to be around a positive, motivated people.

[1048] Yes.

[1049] Yeah.

[1050] When you're around them, you take that in.

[1051] who take that in and when you're around people who are troubled and they're falling apart and failing at everything you take that in too and it's bad for you you know and you could you could be around people that are always in trouble and your life will be affected by their negativity yes so when you take these people with you you are raising them up with your own mind with your own your own belief in what you have done and what they can do you make them better yes sir it is that way and we should heal each other again.

[1052] And we can.

[1053] We can if everybody does their own part.

[1054] Yes.

[1055] If everybody gets in that fucking water.

[1056] Don't be scared.

[1057] Getting that water.

[1058] Yeah.

[1059] Do you think that the cold water is maybe even better than like a cryo chamber because it's so hard to breathe in cold water.

[1060] You know, when I was hosting Fear Factor, one of the hardest things that we had people do was cold water stunts.

[1061] Because you're, especially if you're not used to it, one of, I'm, I'm, I mean, I've jumped in cold water before.

[1062] One of the craziest feelings is you can't breathe.

[1063] Like, when you get in the water, your body goes, it's like this weird thing where you can't, even if your head is above water, you can't, like if I get in a pool, okay, like a normal pool, like a swimming pool, it's nice.

[1064] I can breathe just like I can right now.

[1065] But if you get in cold water, even if you're up to the same level, your head is above water, you can't breathe.

[1066] It constricts your body's ability to take in oxygen.

[1067] You're like, do you think then, in that sense, that maybe there's more benefit even to getting in a tub of ice and water than there is in one of those cryo chambers?

[1068] I think so, yes.

[1069] Yeah.

[1070] You can do it longer too, right?

[1071] Yes.

[1072] You see the difficulty with cold water.

[1073] You see.

[1074] And as you see, that means that it needs, a greater performance and greater control over the body to do that.

[1075] Yeah.

[1076] But then once you do this consciously, you get a bigger control over your body and you are able to perform better.

[1077] And it's a vascular thing.

[1078] I can explain but it takes quite some time.

[1079] So maybe it's like the, maybe the smart thing to do is to do both things is do like a cryo chamber for the physical effects because they say that the cytokines are released in the body when you get to like 150 degrees below zero.

[1080] Like that's like the most benefit where your body produces the most anti -inflammatory reaction.

[1081] You don't get that cold when you get in the ice bath with water in the ice.

[1082] It doesn't get to 250 degrees below zero.

[1083] But maybe that's, there's more benefit with the mind and with controlling the breathing in that respect because you have to breathe in deeper, longer, and you can sit in an ice bath for 20 minutes as opposed to the three minutes of the, like when I've taken people into the cryotherapy place, you know, they say, I don't think I could do it.

[1084] I'm like, well, the first time you do it, you're only to do it for two minutes.

[1085] You count to 60 twice, and it's over.

[1086] Just go one, two, three, four, five, you do that.

[1087] You're one -tenth of the ways there.

[1088] You count to six, you're one -tenth of the way to 60.

[1089] Do it 10 times.

[1090] You get to 60.

[1091] Do it again.

[1092] You're done.

[1093] It's over.

[1094] It's two minutes.

[1095] It's nothing.

[1096] You can hold your breath for two minutes.

[1097] It's not that hard.

[1098] But ice bath is a different story.

[1099] You get in that ice bath.

[1100] You climb into that, that, It's half ice, half water, you're fucking pretty, you can't breathe.

[1101] That's when you really have to.

[1102] Yeah.

[1103] So this, but you can't, for athletes, you can't train after you do the ice bath.

[1104] After you do the ice bath, your body is so cold that they say you can't work out afterwards, but you can work out after you do cryotherapy.

[1105] So maybe like the benefit for athletes is to do a combination of the two things.

[1106] Yeah, sure, sure, sure.

[1107] Do.

[1108] When I get these people going.

[1109] than within a couple of hours, you will see that they are able to do so much more.

[1110] It's awakening the right pH levels once again, controlling it by breathing and focus, using focus, and then having a lot more control over the chemistry, and the chemistry is needed, controlled when you get the impact of the cold, which is a force.

[1111] You need to produce chemically within your own body consciously.

[1112] a contra force opposing force and we are quite able to do that but you have to know how to do that and for every individual is a little bit different so for tuning like so yeah it's a vascular thing you say we are able to go like 20 minutes in a cold ice bath eventually but not in a cryopetrapetical chamber and that's because it works different on the body and it works on the marrow it gets deeper inside it's dry it's dry and you know water gets 25 times faster into the body it's a different force and I recommend myself I don't know exactly but I would recommend the ice bath beyond cryotherapy and cry therapy is you know very artificial you need a tank you need this and people are not able to get into it but when you get that means hey cry therapy is okay I always said the cold is okay but there needs to be so much more researched yeah yeah you're sure yeah there needs to be more research so much more research and once again I want to be beyond speculation But we are able, and that's my belief, like 25 years ago, I told everybody, the autonomic nervous system in relationship to the immune system can be influenced far deeper, and they mocked me then, and now it's science, and they changed the books, and now I tell everybody, listen up, health, strength, happiness is ours.

[1113] That's our natural state.

[1114] And whatever we use therein, cold or heat or stress or this or that, which is an impact on the body, we are able to withstand it or able to control it as we are able to control the system, which is our producing happiness, strength, and health.

[1115] Well, your story, and one of the most amazing aspects of it, is your story is a story of persistence and belief because you've been doing this for a long time.

[1116] But it's not until recently that you've sort of broken through to the mainstream.

[1117] I think Vice had a lot to do with that.

[1118] That Vice piece was so powerful.

[1119] Thanks, Vice.

[1120] Vice.

[1121] Shane Smith, my man. Yeah, right on.

[1122] When you watch that piece, it's undeniable because you're seeing you do these things and you're watching your enthusiasm and your belief, you're taking these other people, those reporters that were with you through these experiments and these techniques.

[1123] it's got to feel good for you to finally be able to get this word out and to realize that the light is at the end of the tunnel and that you've sort of reached this place where your ideas have gone viral.

[1124] Yes, recognition, huh?

[1125] Do you know who Kelly Star it is?

[1126] He's a famous strength and conditioning coach and he's author of The Supple Leopard, becoming the Supple Leopard, is a very, very respected strength and conditioning coach.

[1127] When he found out that I was going to have, I didn't even talk to him, but he found out through the great mind that you were going to be on my podcast, and he sent me a text message.

[1128] And I'll paraphrase it, but he said that what your work is some of the most important work that's being done today in the world of understanding the human body.

[1129] That's what he was saying.

[1130] He was saying that what you're doing right now for athletes and for people that want to understand how their body works is some of the most important shit that's happening right now.

[1131] And that for self -empowerment, for this.

[1132] I mean, that's got to feel good for you, does it?

[1133] I mean, what does it feel like to you to realize that from the time you're saying, 17, having this calling to jump into cold water, to getting this understanding of what that really means to this breathing method you're developing, and then having this scientific proof, like this, this justificate, this elaborate testing that was done on you that shows that your, your method has been, it's been proven, it's effective, it's real, it's written down, it's, undeniable.

[1134] Emotionally, you know, how deep can you go if you lose you?

[1135] wife etc but it has been healed it's one of my songs too I think now I've scientifically proven it recognition has come the mockery has stopped respect is regained re -established and that's good but there is still so much work to do because the love and the care for the planet for the children for all the living beings still is not established.

[1136] We got to change the mind and we got to go on now.

[1137] I don't want anybody to suffer anymore from not being happy or not having strength or not being healthy and bring back to harmony.

[1138] Until that, we need to go on.

[1139] But I'm really thankful for people like yourself and this person.

[1140] Kelly.

[1141] Kelly, yeah, Kelly, thank you very much for endorsing this.

[1142] We are going on and Harvard is coming in which is one of the best universities of the world and we will undeniably prove that we are able to become strong, healthy and happy everybody.

[1143] And what does Harvard want to do?

[1144] What are there?

[1145] I don't know yet, but you know, the same person we're talking about Rhonda.

[1146] Dr. Rhonda Patrick.

[1147] Exactly.

[1148] Rhonda Patrick.

[1149] she was with me two weeks ago or one -a -half -week in Amsterdam or in the Netherlands my place.

[1150] We had a great, great discussion.

[1151] Later, she looked it up and compared the blood results with the threat number one in America, which is arterioschlorosis.

[1152] It's the heart disease, anything what goes with the arteries and the veins and all that.

[1153] And that our alkalosis within this technique is capable of influencing in the arterioschlorosis, not a little bit, big time.

[1154] It's chemistry.

[1155] So we got it not only for the public enemy, number one, killing so many people in the U .S., it's all over the Western world.

[1156] We got it also for depression, and we got it all so for any, actually any disease.

[1157] We got to bring back the belief that we are beings who naturally should be happy, strong, and healthy.

[1158] And as long as there are systems or this or complications and nobody knows anymore how to be happy and without war and without tensions and too much grieving and too much greed and all that, then we got work to do because the new world is a world of harmony.

[1159] And we are working on this.

[1160] and we do this together.

[1161] I love the fact that you believe that, and I think that it is possible.

[1162] And I really do.

[1163] I mean, I've been called, cheers, my brother, cheers.

[1164] I think we live in a unique time because we can share information now in a way that was never possible just a decade ago.

[1165] And like something like this, a podcast, it's free, and it goes out instantly, and then the world gets it.

[1166] Beautiful.

[1167] And this information gets shared and transferred, and everybody gets a hold of it.

[1168] And then it reshapes the way people think the millions of people that will listen to this it will absolutely affect their lives and how many of them will act on it you know it's up to them but it but it is possible and it will become viral because of that you know your ideas are becoming viral yes and it's a non -dogmatic choice yes we give the people no religion we give the people results no speculation if you do this then this happens and we want to bring back the natural state which is healthy, strong, and healthy.

[1169] Anybody can do this because it's endorsed with thousands of results.

[1170] And these are the means.

[1171] You are helping to make a paradigm shift possible.

[1172] So it's great work what you do.

[1173] And the world needs it.

[1174] And somebody needs to do it.

[1175] So we do this together.

[1176] And for that, this is good.

[1177] It is very good.

[1178] But the beautiful thing about what I'm not really work, I'm just having a conversation with a cool guy.

[1179] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1180] That's the beautiful thing.

[1181] Likewise.

[1182] Now, do you monitor your diet at all?

[1183] Are you conscious about what kind of foods you eat?

[1184] Do you have a specific diet that you follow?

[1185] They messed up food really good.

[1186] They synthesized it and they voluminized it and they make it really shiny.

[1187] You know, if you take a paprika, you can always, you don't need a mirror.

[1188] Right.

[1189] But the nutrients therein, they are changed, you know, maybe half or less than half of the nutrients, which normally should be in there.

[1190] Vegetables, you mean, yeah.

[1191] We're making it more durable.

[1192] Yes, and also with the meat and all that.

[1193] So my diet is more vegetarian.

[1194] And I eat once a day.

[1195] Once a day.

[1196] Once a day, after six.

[1197] After six?

[1198] After six.

[1199] So you haven't had anything to eat?

[1200] No. Yeah.

[1201] After 35 years, today, I had my breakfast.

[1202] But I never have a breakfast.

[1203] But it's because of the jet lag.

[1204] It took energy.

[1205] What time is it now in Holland?

[1206] In Holland it's like a nine hours difference.

[1207] Nine hours ahead.

[1208] Oh, yeah.

[1209] Well, that makes sense.

[1210] It's midnight.

[1211] It takes energy.

[1212] But because I have this control over the endocrine systems, the melatonin, serotonin, which is the day and the night, I didn't suffer any jet lag.

[1213] But still, it takes energy.

[1214] You don't suffer jet lag when you fly that far?

[1215] No, no, no, no. That's, you know, hormones.

[1216] So you, by doing your breathing method, you can sort of mitigate that?

[1217] Is that what it is?

[1218] Yes, sir.

[1219] I have a rule that I follow whenever I go anywhere that I might get jet lag.

[1220] It's really far.

[1221] I go immediately to the gym.

[1222] It's the first thing I do.

[1223] Unless I'm exhausted.

[1224] That's your way to regain a strength.

[1225] And connection with the body.

[1226] I exert myself in a very, very, very, very.

[1227] strong way.

[1228] I don't do a light workout.

[1229] I do a ferocious workout when I land and I usually reset to me. Right.

[1230] Yeah, I understand because if you do a ferocious workout, you get into the adrenaline axis of yourself as well.

[1231] Well, I do a lot of people that might think it's silly, but I do a lot of things when I work out.

[1232] One of the things that I do is I work myself into this state where I feel like what I'm doing is I'm fighting for my life.

[1233] I mean, it might sound crazy, But I put myself in position.

[1234] Yeah.

[1235] When I...

[1236] Sounds beautiful.

[1237] If I lift weights or if I run on a elliptical machine or one of those things, do some sort of cardiovascular, I do it like I'm fighting for my life.

[1238] And I feel like that's the way you do it to get the maximum benefits of it.

[1239] Now, listening to you, it makes sense why I'm doing this.

[1240] Like, I've just been doing this sort of instinctively because I feel like over the years of exercising, that's the way I've gotten the best results.

[1241] But people, listen, what the fuck are you doing?

[1242] You're not fighting for your life.

[1243] Like, I know I'm not.

[1244] But in my mind, I am.

[1245] When I do it, I'm 100 % committed to it because my survival depends on it.

[1246] You're literally fighting for your life when you do extremes like I do.

[1247] And you know it.

[1248] And you are very focused at that moment that you have to go beyond your conditioning.

[1249] Yeah, you're not playing.

[1250] You're not pretending.

[1251] And you're under the ice.

[1252] You are fighting for your life.

[1253] And, you know, a jet like something out of your condition.

[1254] If you are conditioned, you're not able to surpass the effects of a jet lag.

[1255] But if you are able to get out of the conditioning, go through it all, then you are able to regain contact with the serotonin, melatonin balance within the body.

[1256] And thus, yeah, overcome a jet leg.

[1257] There is no jet lag.

[1258] So one meal a day in the evening, and what's typically?

[1259] a meal for you?

[1260] Oh, I like pasta.

[1261] I'm sorry.

[1262] It's terrible for you.

[1263] They say it's terrible, et cetera, but I like macaroni.

[1264] It's delicious.

[1265] Yeah, I love it.

[1266] I'm Italian.

[1267] I enjoy it.

[1268] It tastes great.

[1269] I love it, too.

[1270] I love it, I love it.

[1271] I like it much.

[1272] So you eat a lot of pasta?

[1273] Yeah.

[1274] Well, that's a lot of carbs.

[1275] You burn off a lot of calories, obviously, if you're doing all this crazy physical stuff.

[1276] I can eat anything.

[1277] I can eat anything, any amount.

[1278] But I do it after 6 o 'clock Why after 6?

[1279] When you wake up in the morning Is it you're not hungry Or is it a conscious decision?

[1280] I don't want to be stuffed I eat very lightly I eat very lightly in the morning My first meal is almost always fruit now That's mostly what I eat Like if I work out in the morning I have like a few pieces of fruit And I don't stuff myself I do it until I feel like I don't need anymore And then I work out Sure And then afterwards I have something light Like today I had some sushi very light you know not much sounds great and then at dinner i usually eat a lot but i but it's not about you you know it's about those people who are getting in so much right it's not they don't use it in the body anymore it's taking in too many calories yeah and they have no control but it tastes business is about it see for i think for a lot of people the problem is they go to a job that they don't really enjoy and they're stuck in traffic and then they get to work and the reward is they'll have a donut.

[1281] They'll have some coffee.

[1282] They'll have an egg sausage sandwich with, you know, cheese and mayonnaise and roux.

[1283] But you're getting sensations when you're eating that that are pleasurable, and that's the reward.

[1284] And to take that reward away from them, you're giving them a few less bright spots and otherwise dull day.

[1285] Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[1286] It's what you call it.

[1287] And that's so, the day's got to be dull.

[1288] We got to bring back the intensity of the wonder of the day.

[1289] And that comes with being consciously connected with the depth of your physiological systems.

[1290] It also comes with making good choices as to what you do for a living and how you spend your time.

[1291] Oh, yes.

[1292] We need to be creative all of us.

[1293] Because creation and being creative is the expression of the soul, and the soul needs to breathe, like anything, you know, and it needs to expand in consciousness.

[1294] Yeah, I've always had a real hard time with the expression, creative people.

[1295] This guy's creative, he's creative, she's creative, because people are all creative.

[1296] Everyone's creative.

[1297] It's just a matter of finding what it is that you're creative with.

[1298] Some people are creative with constructing cars.

[1299] Some people are creative with clothing.

[1300] People are creative.

[1301] Like, it's a part of being a human being.

[1302] It's not, it's saying someone's a creative person is like saying they're a hard rock.

[1303] You know, everyone, everybody's creative.

[1304] Yeah, the serenity which goes along when people are creative is beautiful.

[1305] It's a natural part of being a child.

[1306] Every child draws and paints and plays with things and sculpts and makes little things.

[1307] And it gets beaten out of us.

[1308] It gets beaten out of us in schools.

[1309] and beating out of us with jobs and beaten out of us with responsibilities and careers Pink Floyd Yeah Teacher leave them kids hello Yeah Break in the wall Ha ha ha ha ha ha Cheers brother Yeah my man Yeah that's um But that for a lot of people They're like that's great But how do I get out of this And that's unfortunately That's your own path You gotta figure that out on your own But if you can The problem People also, people get burdened down with bills and responsibilities and debt.

[1310] Credit card debt, first of all, they get you with student loan debt.

[1311] I don't know how it is in Holland.

[1312] Do you guys have public universities?

[1313] Yes, yes, yeah, the same thing.

[1314] Oh, man, there's a resistance to that in this country, and it makes me sick.

[1315] School should be fucking free.

[1316] Yeah, it should be free.

[1317] You're not making any money, and we should encourage people to learn as much as possible so that they could contribute more.

[1318] And I don't know how to do it, but if I have to pay more taxes, Jesus Christ, I'll pay more taxes.

[1319] I think we should all be enthusiastic about people being able to get out of school without being hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt.

[1320] I mean, we have an enormous problem in this country.

[1321] We don't have the same problem.

[1322] Without us, we got a partial, you know, you got to redeposit the loan which you build up, something like that.

[1323] But it's much smaller.

[1324] Yeah, it's smaller.

[1325] It's a smaller, but yet it is not the solution.

[1326] The solution should be that the system is so complicated, so away from us, it should begin to look.

[1327] People should be strong, healthy, and happy.

[1328] Are we able to do that?

[1329] And that's what we do scientifically right now.

[1330] A science demonstrative non -omness fact is soon.

[1331] Set pluris out -hoc in veni.

[1332] It's a sort of a Latin show.

[1333] The science didn't prove it all.

[1334] There is more to prove.

[1335] And the school is not where we should live for.

[1336] The life is the school.

[1337] And in life we should be happy, strong and healthy.

[1338] That's the way we are natural built.

[1339] so all the system tied together right yes yes it's it's quite logic very simple very effective very there and yeah we just keep on making sense we lost the sense do you think that society has moved too fast for our bodies and that I mean because I think this is all kind of tied together you're talking about depression and you're talking about how our body is not really designed to deal with the stress that it deals without any of the physical taxing of the actual unit of the body itself, you know, the stress of exercise, of exertion, of, you know, of dealing with the environment and the cold.

[1340] Yes.

[1341] All these things are sort of, there's demands that are on the body, and the same could be said about the demands of society, the demands of our culture, the demands of civilization.

[1342] Do you think that maybe what's happened is that our civilization has got to, too advanced too fast and our bodies just have not to be able to adapt so they're left in this state of confusion and anguish because they're trying to get what they're there's reward systems that are deeply ingrained in our DNA and they're not being satisfied yes exactly that's the neural connection between the neocortex and the and the brainstem the primitive part the you know the human part of the thinking and the reptilian the primitive brain the brain stem is cut off somehow.

[1343] And that's why we don't control the stress of just stress, which is stress hormone.

[1344] And the green system is connected to the brainstem.

[1345] And we lost this.

[1346] And there's too much going on.

[1347] And we think the body will follow, but it is not following anymore.

[1348] We have back to neural channeling between the neocortex with the brainstem, and then I think it'll solve, it'll make sense again.

[1349] Yeah, so exercise, breathing, diet, all in consciousness, mindfulness, all these things are connected to live a happy life.

[1350] Yes, because happiness is about controlling the endocrine systems, and they are resigning over there, and that needs neural challenging.

[1351] What is the difference between the way you approach a cold environment versus the way you approached, what is the thing that you did in the desert with no water?

[1352] Yeah, I did it with a physiologist, a doctor who was monitoring me and he saw without me having prior experience in the heat.

[1353] You didn't have any experience in the heat at all?

[1354] No, it was up into the, where did you go and what did you do?

[1355] In Namib Desert.

[1356] Where's that?

[1357] Sausis Valley near South Africa.

[1358] And yeah, I went down there and it's very dry desert.

[1359] Maybe the driest desert in the world, maybe the second.

[1360] I don't know.

[1361] Enough to have an impact on the physiology.

[1362] And I went up there and I lost 5 .2 liters of water.

[1363] of water.

[1364] Yeah, yeah, you know, things happening.

[1365] That's jugs.

[1366] Yeah, that's quite...

[1367] So you ran a marathon?

[1368] Is that what it was?

[1369] Yeah, yeah.

[1370] So it was 26 miles in that desert?

[1371] And without drinking.

[1372] No drinking water at all?

[1373] No drinking.

[1374] Did you rehydrate beforehand?

[1375] Did you like drink a shitload of water before you ran?

[1376] Two coffee.

[1377] Two cups of coffee.

[1378] I'm a little bit addicted to coffee.

[1379] I don't know.

[1380] Me too.

[1381] If I'm going to master this.

[1382] Yeah.

[1383] Doesn't matter.

[1384] taste good but that's all no my mind was already there you know I'm gonna do this and whatever we no extra water or anything like that and so you brought in physiologists to monitor your body what you're doing this yes and then he saw all the range my core body temperature remained 37 degrees it's like you know the normal body car core temperature.

[1385] But do I lost 5 .2 liters of water?

[1386] So even in extreme conditions, you are able to control the body.

[1387] And while you're running, are you actively engaging in these breathing exercises while you're running?

[1388] I always say to the persons who would do endurance, you know, long distance throwing, could be 100 kilometers or 100 miles or 500 miles.

[1389] They probably are knowing, not probably they have to know to breathe more than the normal conditioned breathing patterns which are shallow because if you're not breathing deep enough you will exhaust the reserves of oxygen in the tissue and then the man with a hammer comes you know you are not you become acidic you're not able to run anymore that's because the depletion of the oxygen in the Tissued the expression, the man with the hammer comes.

[1390] Yeah, yeah, okay, okay.

[1391] You're not able to do anything.

[1392] That's a crazy way to look at it, though.

[1393] And then the man with the hammer comes.

[1394] So I always say, take one principle, because we have the ability to store up more oxygen.

[1395] But then you have to go past your condition breathing pattern, which is too shallow.

[1396] and under performance, under pressure, it will just take the oxygen out of your tissue and then at a certain point it's depleted and you are not able to run anyway because pH levels become too low.

[1397] So you are able to influence in that while you perform by thinking.

[1398] You know what thinking does, influencing cell level, but also breathe more than you feel is needed.

[1399] Oh.

[1400] Okay.

[1401] So if you're running and you're like, instead just go, you take big, deep breaths.

[1402] And just mess with your own body.

[1403] Then you're able to get into the tissue and maintain in the cell biology, oxygen instead of disconnecting and becoming acidic, oxygen is inside and gets on and is producing energy.

[1404] It's called aerobic dissimulation.

[1405] It's a process in the cell.

[1406] But we are very able to do that.

[1407] And I do that, and I show that people, just in a couple of hours, how to do it.

[1408] I stand with people like even barefoot in the snow, in short, say on day two or three, for one hour in the horse stands.

[1409] You know the horse stands?

[1410] and then stand for one hour in shorts and freezing temperatures barefooted for one hour in the snow in horse stands because they influence coal takes oxygen to combust energy combustion and it takes energy and it needs oxygen and the horse stands is a performance is a pressure so it creates heat it creates heat it creates heat It creates control.

[1411] It shows that we are able to influence cell biology by bringing consciously more oxygen inside, thus producing more energy.

[1412] So how do you keep people from getting frostbite?

[1413] Because I would think that standing in the snow barefoot could make you get frostbite.

[1414] After an hour, they are still not suffering from frostbite anything.

[1415] Anything.

[1416] So how do you get frostbite down?

[1417] We begin to sing and we began to have fun.

[1418] Are you guys drinking while this is going on?

[1419] So I had these East European and Russian people coming to my place as well.

[1420] And they look really tough in this and they have this.

[1421] I say, okay, let's do an experiment.

[1422] If somebody is very tough, et cetera.

[1423] It's just we take a bottle of vodka, we put it in front of us, we stand out, outside in the horse stands, barefooted, and then in one hour or one half hour is also okay, we drink all the bottle and still remain in balance because cold is affected if you get alcohol in the blood.

[1424] So you need more oxygen, you need more control.

[1425] And we drink the whole bottle of vodka.

[1426] Oh, you drink vodka, not water, vodka.

[1427] Oh, yeah, yeah, vodka.

[1428] I think he said water.

[1429] Yeah, a vodka comes from the word water.

[1430] What a means is water.

[1431] That's how crazy Russians are.

[1432] Like your water, same thing.

[1433] Just drink.

[1434] So they put a bottle of vodka in front of them.

[1435] And they have to drink the whole bottle.

[1436] I say I do crazy experiments.

[1437] I guess.

[1438] Yeah, man, come on.

[1439] Life is crazy.

[1440] You got to do crazy.

[1441] crazy experiments under anybody's definition life is crazy but we're having fun and uh but we never did it uh but yeah i think um you know if you have a hangover a hangover you know then if you do 20 minutes this breathing then you have no hangover anymore the it works that way you are learning to detox yourself in 20 minutes i have a a guy that i do podcast with occasionally, his name is Dr. Carl Hart, and he's an addiction specialist, and brilliant guy.

[1442] And he explained hangovers to me in a way that I never understood.

[1443] He's like, we have this very confused sense of what addiction is.

[1444] And he said, what a hangover is, is your body being addicted to alcohol, even from one binge session.

[1445] Your body creates these mitigating responses to the alcohol.

[1446] And then when the alcohol is no longer present, your body has it's like horrible headache, and what it is is a compensatory response to the alcohol.

[1447] That's what it is.

[1448] Adaptive.

[1449] Yeah, I mean, that's what a hangover is.

[1450] Adaptive forces.

[1451] Yeah, so, like, he redefines the premise of addiction, and he believes that our ideas of addiction are very self -limiting.

[1452] Yes.

[1453] So we have very self -limiting ideas of our control over life itself.

[1454] Yes, and then your breathing method just flushes.

[1455] this this out of the system yeah yeah yeah in any sense what other athletes have you work with other than alster um yeah olympic sports uh sports uh like rowing people people who doing judo judo also very aerobic right yeah and uh yeah skaters uh hockey team i'm gonna and when did these people start coming to you Yeah, whenever I had this scientifically endorsed a result, it's when people begin to think, hey, man, this is real.

[1456] People think when it is scientifically proved, then something is real.

[1457] Now, how do you have the time to engage all these people?

[1458] I mean, it seems like you've got a lot of people pulling on your time now, right?

[1459] Yeah.

[1460] Yeah, it does.

[1461] But once again, I got my mission.

[1462] My mission is to help as much children.

[1463] in the world as possible.

[1464] We have to bring back care and love.

[1465] And this is my mission.

[1466] And I believe in what I do.

[1467] So let the science come.

[1468] But the science, as I see it, sometimes is as fast as a slow, total.

[1469] They need protocols.

[1470] The problem is you're legitimate, 100%, but a lot of people are not.

[1471] I've had a lot of people on this podcast that I thought were legit.

[1472] And then after talking to them and then after going over, their stuff, and then after being in contact with people who've criticized their work, you realize they're bullshit artists.

[1473] They're just really good at being a bullshit artist.

[1474] And some of the stuff they say is true.

[1475] It is, it is.

[1476] Unfortunately, those people, they bullshit themselves as well.

[1477] That's one of the fascinating things about bullshit artists is they're their own victim.

[1478] They're the victim of their own work.

[1479] And, you know, a guy like you, it's frustrating to you because you are legit and you want this message to get out there.

[1480] But that scientific method is critical.

[1481] because that scientific method is also establishing the veracity of your work.

[1482] It's establishing that absolutely what you're doing is provable and it's real.

[1483] It's one of the things that makes you so unique is the fact that it's not just you and your method.

[1484] It's not just anecdotal evidence.

[1485] There's a fact that there's a bunch of people out there that have actually tested you that have no vested interest whatsoever in you being accurate.

[1486] In fact, we'd probably like to debunk you just as much as they would like to prove you accurate.

[1487] And they can't.

[1488] And that's what things get very, very, very interesting.

[1489] What's fascinating to me is that you're this one guy.

[1490] You're like an outlier in the most extreme sense of the term because there's seven billion people and this one guy has figured some shit out.

[1491] What if you weren't around, man?

[1492] What if you didn't exist?

[1493] We might never figure this shit out.

[1494] It might be a hundred years for somebody figured it out.

[1495] You know, it makes you wonder.

[1496] Like what people knew.

[1497] Now we work together.

[1498] Yes.

[1499] I do not only love you.

[1500] I love your work.

[1501] I love your spirit.

[1502] No, I love the spirit.

[1503] And that's why I love you, you know, for what we do.

[1504] And it needs to be done.

[1505] Somebody needs to do it.

[1506] And if we do it together, we are stronger.

[1507] Well, listen, I love you too.

[1508] And I love your spirit.

[1509] I love what you're doing.

[1510] And I will help you in any way I can.

[1511] I will get this word out as much as possible.

[1512] I believe what you're doing, man. I think what's fascinating is that the parlor tricks, as it were, or your feats, your amazing endurance feats, those, that's what's bringing people to you.

[1513] You know, the, there's, that when you see you on Everest in your shorts, you know, like, there's this one image of you out in the snow and you're bouncing on some ice.

[1514] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1515] Like, look, that gets people going, what the fuck is this guy doing?

[1516] And then they start researching it, and then they start realizing, like, whoa, this guy, this, there's been scientific examinations of his claims.

[1517] and it holds up like here's this is one image of you here oh yeah yeah yeah that's a great picture man when people see shit like that they go what the fuck is this crazy guy doing he's got no shorts on he's out in the snow it's freezing cold out and he's having a great time it's it's it's very contagious in a lot of ways i have a great time and it seems like what's going on here what is in this picture here this is columbia sportswear this is a commercial oh it's a commercial they did it and so uh and that's a that's a song the mont blanc and they and uh that's in the alps wow and uh yeah more more stuff that's a crazy picture to see you out there in that frozen tundra yeah in your shorts yeah no shirt on it's all there you know well how about the one when you're up there in the lotus position yeah that one oh yeah that's uh iceland Iceland.

[1518] Now, how do you keep your legs from getting frostbite?

[1519] Like, what causes frostbite and how are you able to stop that from happening?

[1520] We got an ability to maintain above zero within the cell biology.

[1521] But as we not expose ourselves anymore, we get frostbite, et cetera.

[1522] But if you get into the system and you learn to control right and you get around, right pH degrees then the frostbite will not come because we got a mechanism to do that that that will bring the cell temperature just above zero that means in the far -night what is it 32 a 32 because if it gets below you get a raparral cell damage but yeah we are mammals and we are able to do that like dogs and etc Well, we do, we know that people adapt to certain environments, you know, like, they know that Inuits have adapted a very interesting ability with their hands, or their hands don't freeze up and get numb, whereas a person like me from California, if I was in their environment, I would have a real struggle, but for them, it comes natural, and their bodies adapted to this extremely harsh environment.

[1523] It seems like human beings are much more pliable than we give them credit for.

[1524] That's the adaptive power which we have and never resort to because we live in a comfort zone, a kind of behavior and we think we can control nature.

[1525] But as long as we do not control what makes us happy, strong and healthy, we have no control at all.

[1526] And I want to bring it over there.

[1527] That's interesting.

[1528] So what we've been doing is trying to control nature.

[1529] We've been trying to build houses and heat them up and we've been trying to control the environment instead of control ourselves to adapt to the environment.

[1530] Exactly.

[1531] And it's nice to have a nice fireplace and everything accommodated, etc. But sometimes, like a dog, you need to go out.

[1532] And you know what else too?

[1533] The fireplace, you don't appreciate that fireplace unless you're cold as fuck.

[1534] That's when you really appreciate it.

[1535] It's when you really begin to enjoy.

[1536] Yeah, like after your eyeballs thaw out, like, when you're talking about going blind?

[1537] I bet if you got in front of a fire then, oh, it would be a glorious fire.

[1538] You're very silent and serene at that moment.

[1539] Yeah.

[1540] Enjoying every bit.

[1541] We need the harsh to appreciate the mellow.

[1542] You know, we need hard things to appreciate soft things.

[1543] We need violence, I think, sometimes to appreciate peace.

[1544] There's something fascinating about human beings that we almost are designed.

[1545] to overcome and if we do not overcome we find we find ourselves lost yes and it's all about consciousness yeah being aware of life itself which is a wonder so we are going to bring it back first chemically and then make understandable that in a you know consciousness and love are the best things on earth accessible for everybody now are you experiencing over like how what has been the last like few years like what has it been like where people are awakening themselves to your accomplishments and your work and your your belief what what has it been like it seems like is at least me on the outside becoming more and more aware of you it's like i'm getting people tweet at me all the time with your videos and articles about you and all these different people ask me about getting you on it seems like there's an awakening that's going on how much of a requirement has that been on your time and and you and what does that feel like to you to have all these people sort of like overwhelmingly coming after you now?

[1546] Yeah, I love it.

[1547] I love it.

[1548] But, and I think this way and being with people like you, like Joe Rogan, is an entity.

[1549] It's not just you.

[1550] It's more.

[1551] It's an image.

[1552] We got to use and abuse all this for the goal to bring it non -dographically to anybody.

[1553] And, um, every person in the world.

[1554] We want to make the world happy.

[1555] We want to make it strong and healthy.

[1556] We want to bring consciousness of the wonders of life itself.

[1557] And as long as it is not there, then all these people who tweeted you and who are helping me now.

[1558] That's the way I feel it.

[1559] It's love itself that brings me toward this, yeah, this mission.

[1560] And destination of it is helping children love and care I thank these people very very much from the heart and we still need to go on so we all need you you keep bringing up children that's a primary focus because is that because you feel like they're the most receptive to new ideas exactly they are open and they have to learn from people who are wise you know we are the we are the elders somebody's got to do it And that's us.

[1561] So we have the responsibility and are we able to respond?

[1562] And that's right now, right here.

[1563] That's why I'm here with you.

[1564] And you're asking and I can feel you are somebody, you know, you go deeper into it all.

[1565] Then, yeah, what is deeper than love?

[1566] What is deeper than the care for a child?

[1567] And that's what we need.

[1568] And once begins to establish the love continuously without fear of disease, without fear of being unhappy, without fear of having no energy, etc., then the love will bloom because that's the natural flower of every person.

[1569] And that's why I call it children, etc. we have to make this border this beautiful beautiful planet which is actually the best spot in all the universe we don't need to look beyond mars or there or there or there just look within and make this world a better place in harmony with the nature and it begins with the children i share that idea and i've been saying to people for a long time that one of the things that makes me so enthusiastic and so optimistic about the future is the fact that we can reach kids now in a way that we couldn't reach them before.

[1570] We can reach kids with ideas and with open -mindedness and with just massive amounts of information that just weren't available before.

[1571] And that if you can change their opinion or inform them or expose them to new ideas that generate new creative ideas inside them, then you have broken the system.

[1572] And this system that's designed to carve paths that have already been, they've already been traveled.

[1573] And then, you know, I want to be a lawyer just like my dad.

[1574] And you get on that same fucking path and you get stuck.

[1575] And I think now there's, there's an infinite number of paths and they're branching off into infinite different directions and new streams and new tributaries.

[1576] And I think we live in a beautiful time because of that.

[1577] Because a guy like you in Holland can get your ideas out.

[1578] You see, I've do a few things.

[1579] And then all of a sudden people know about it and then it spreads.

[1580] And then you connect with other people and you connect to me and I connect to the internet and then it connects us and then there's going to people that are practicing what you do and then they're going to tell their friends and it's going to get they're going to tweet about and write blogs about it and boom boom boom and make videos and then it's overwhelming it becomes overwhelming and then it becomes a natural part of life yes and it is overwhelming the wonder of life is overwhelming and media is helping us it is internet and all that this kind of media is the best because no one's control You know, the fact that anybody, you could start your own podcast right now.

[1581] Nobody is controlling it.

[1582] You ever thought about starting a podcast?

[1583] No, no, Chad.

[1584] Why not?

[1585] I got this.

[1586] I got him to help me on the podcast.

[1587] You never did this.

[1588] Why did you do that?

[1589] You'll talk to him.

[1590] Jamie will school him.

[1591] We'll get this straight.

[1592] Right on.

[1593] So beside the Harvard thing, the studies, what else do you have going on that people can look forward to?

[1594] We got different universities and we got different protocols out.

[1595] to do work on arthritis.

[1596] Arthritis.

[1597] And different autoimmune diseases in general.

[1598] And about depression.

[1599] I want to get, we are able to control depression, really.

[1600] That's amazing.

[1601] I mean, that's a huge, huge, huge problem, not just in this country, but all over the world.

[1602] Yes, exactly.

[1603] It's one of the main problems that plagues modern human beings.

[1604] Yes.

[1605] And it's not so difficult.

[1606] It's very simple.

[1607] But, you know, the genius of things is to make things simple, and that's belief.

[1608] We are built to be happy, strong, and healthy.

[1609] We just need to go back to nature, natural laws within us, and connect again.

[1610] Very simple.

[1611] Is there anything that people should read that you've done or watch?

[1612] Besides the Vice documentary, is there anything else that people...

[1613] that you recommend people check out?

[1614] You know, this study, which we did, is actually the first study that showed that the autonomic nervous system and relationship with the endocrine systems and immune systems are deeply able to be influenced.

[1615] So bacteria has no chance.

[1616] Things like that, you know?

[1617] That's crazy because that's also, you know, I had a friend of mine who got a staff infection a horrible staff infection.

[1618] I posted a photo of it online the other day because he got MRSA, which is medication -resistant staff infection.

[1619] It's horrific, horrific.

[1620] You should do this.

[1621] You think that something like this could help that?

[1622] I think I'm sure about it, but my son, my team is always saying, I don't say you are curing people, unless it is totally scientifically proved.

[1623] It was 25 years ago.

[1624] I stated something that is scientifically proved now and it changes science as it is well I think what they're doing is they're just they want to rein you in just because they understand the importance of what you're saying yeah and that you know they're they're optimistic but cautiously optimistic it is so it is so but if I see the person and always they won't get worse of it at least and I saw miracles happening because life is a miracle, I saw people getting back to life, you know, to be in connection with life and trust within their own natural ability and then changing all the disbalances so much that they felt confident within their own bodies again and taking away, regaining control over the immune systems.

[1625] And yeah, then diseases go.

[1626] It's very simple.

[1627] You just need to do it.

[1628] I just need to activate those systems that are already inherent in the body.

[1629] Exactly.

[1630] You know, I just think guys like you, I mean, I want to say guys like you, but I don't know anybody else like you.

[1631] But I think what you've done is so amazing and so important because out of all these human beings, of all this stuff that's going on, all the different activities and interactions, all the different thoughts, just takes one person, step out with a new, unique idea that could be completely revolutionary and change the way people.

[1632] behave in the way people interface with nature and I think you've done that and I thank you very much man thank you for coming on here I really really appreciate I love you I love you I love you work thank you and keep on and we do it together yes absolutely we are all on the same mission bring back love and confidence that we are able to do you know to be a part of this wonder well anything you ever need tweeted or put on Facebook or put on the podcast just let me know and you got an open invitation to come back anytime you want.

[1633] I really appreciate it.

[1634] Yes, sir.

[1635] Thank you very much.

[1636] Wimhoff, ladies and your Twitter page is what?

[1637] It's Iceman...

[1638] What is it?

[1639] Innerfire .com.

[1640] No, the Twitter page is...

[1641] Iceman...

[1642] Iceman.

[1643] It's actually Iceman Hoff.

[1644] It's Iceman underscore HOF.

[1645] And that's the Twitter page.

[1646] And your website is...

[1647] What is your website?

[1648] Your website is...

[1649] Wim -Haw.

[1650] What is it?

[1651] Wimhoff Method .com.

[1652] W -H -I -M -H -O -F -M -H -O -F -M -E -O -F -M -D -com.

[1653] Thank you, brother.

[1654] Appreciate it.

[1655] All right on.

[1656] All right, folks.

[1657] See you soon.

[1658] Mother, holy mama.