#1387 - Josh Homme

[0] Do you roll in on a motorcycle?

[1] I did.

[2] You're a fucking animal.

[3] In this day and age, in L .A. traffic?

[4] But there's a bit of a Zen thing happening because if you don't pay attention, you could die, you know?

[5] Oh, right.

[6] You know, and I find myself trying to have this field of view.

[7] And plus, you can't be on the phone.

[8] Right.

[9] Because I think sometimes when you drive a car, you forget to take the moment to do not.

[10] nothing, and just sort of be for a second.

[11] Yeah.

[12] And you can listen to tunes and it makes all the songs better.

[13] Like, I don't know if I fully appreciated a Judas Priest until I wrote a motorcycle and could listen to music.

[14] So you listen like in your head?

[15] Like you have it in your...

[16] No, that one has a...

[17] I have the luxury of having a couple of them.

[18] But that one's almost like the grandpa bike for going to the movies.

[19] But is it it speakers or is it in the helmet?

[20] It's speakers.

[21] I don't do the helmet because there's so much of that in my life anyways, like point -blank range.

[22] Right, right, right.

[23] And so it's almost like you kind of end up rocking your head like that.

[24] And you're like, breaking the law.

[25] It sort of like flips your beavis switch.

[26] And it feels wonderful, like the wind in your hair.

[27] Yeah.

[28] And getting here took, I don't know where you came from, but I beat you here and I left after you did.

[29] Where did you drive from?

[30] Like, I can't, I was sort of a. by Runyon Canyon.

[31] Oh, okay.

[32] Yeah, if you live in, like, Orange County, I get it.

[33] Because it's really, like, the only way you're going to get here and not lose your fucking mind.

[34] Well, something that's 21 miles away is 25 minutes away.

[35] Legitimately.

[36] Yeah, I mean, there's a little bit of, like, should I go stop here?

[37] And also, you're always going to the front of traffic, which really is the safest place to be at the very front.

[38] Sure.

[39] Just with everyone on each butt cheek, sort of, you know.

[40] The thing that freaks me out, though, is the lane splitting.

[41] Like some people are just not paying attention And some people are just trying to go fast Yeah Some people work out their their kinky anger on you Oh on the bike you mean?

[42] Yeah, like someone's like no way If I'm stuck in this, you're stuck in this That is fucking weird man That thing's weird That kind of anger against motorcycles Like that they can get ahead and you can't Just It's beyond motorcycles You know it's that angrieness of like their emotional bank accounts are low in that moment, and they're like, how about you?

[43] Yeah.

[44] You can have that, too.

[45] It's like sharing the wrong shit.

[46] Yeah.

[47] I think it's people that don't feel like there's a way out of the light they're in, too.

[48] There's no light at the end of the tunnel.

[49] Yeah, the Missouri Loves Company, where it's just like, welcome to the Missouri Loves Company.

[50] Sit down, and it's just, I don't know, so much has been happening for me lately, just you have those things when they click and you and then you can't unknow them once you've learned something yeah and it's like I see how that is just really attempting to elevate your own situation by bringing someone down which is which is impossible and so in that moment that that's almost them doing the best they can I know they're trying to kill you but but they're trying to cope with something that's it's just maybe the wrong way it's definitely the wrong way and nope that's one of the weird things about being a kid right like nobody really tells you how to think.

[51] Nobody really teaches you how to approach situations in life and what's going to help you and what's not going to help you at all.

[52] No, but you learn some funky stuff instead.

[53] Yeah.

[54] You know what I mean?

[55] And even when you're learning the history of someone, it seems like they don't tell you how they've wrestled with that or emotion to do the right thing or find a way to just accept something.

[56] Right.

[57] Like how did they get to accept that this was their decision that they had to make.

[58] I don't know.

[59] There's not much, there's not many guide posts for how to treat yourself and other people.

[60] But there's like, there's all sorts of math and stuff like that.

[61] Yeah, but even history, right, there's a lot of facts.

[62] This happened then, that happened.

[63] This is the date that this took place.

[64] But the actual accounts from the human beings.

[65] And even if you read it, it's like, I want to see the person say it.

[66] You know, I almost, it's almost.

[67] That's the Ken Burns version of all that.

[68] There's one guy in the Ken Burns is.

[69] Civil War one who is kind of like was probably alive then, too?

[70] Like, just it seems like he's so passionate about it.

[71] And he's such a good storyteller.

[72] And so he's adding the emotions of like, you know, when Robert E. Lee was, or I'm sorry, the union guy.

[73] Who's the big?

[74] Grant.

[75] Grant.

[76] Grant had a drinking problem, but then was like, oh.

[77] And he probably happened from PTSD, you know, and he's He's just telling that story with such kind of emotional depth that was cool.

[78] It's nice to watch that instead of read it sometimes.

[79] Yeah, I don't think any of us are ever going to be able to truly understand what it was like to live without television, without radio, without cell phones, and war.

[80] Like, what?

[81] And then war inside the same continent with other people that are supposed to be just like you that speak the same language.

[82] Yeah, that you run the risk of going, hey, Gary.

[83] Yeah.

[84] Right, especially if you live in like fucking Virginia or somewhere on the border.

[85] You could know the person who's facing you.

[86] Sure.

[87] And be like, best of luck to you, Gary.

[88] Yeah.

[89] I hope I do.

[90] And don't get you.

[91] I don't know what to think.

[92] I was reading this article, too, about how many murders took place after the war was settled, where, you know, like, where people like, hey, you know, we're not done, bro.

[93] Yeah.

[94] You killed my whole fucking family.

[95] Yeah.

[96] They're like, cool, Lincoln, we're good.

[97] Yeah.

[98] We're not good.

[99] Let me hang on for a little bit and start assassinating people.

[100] But after what would seem like a lifetime of that sort of witnessing that and doing that and watching things that you recognize as injustice, the idea of someone getting stuck in the blame and as a vendetta in that, I can see that.

[101] But you see how that's really, it's probably why we're still having problems now.

[102] There's definitely some part of it, right?

[103] Yeah, it's like, my great, great, great, great told me. Yeah.

[104] You know, when people are sort of like dipped in that Kool -Aid of because my great, great, great, great, felt this way, I'm supposed to, too, because we're related, so.

[105] Dude, I'm almost done with this book.

[106] I'm listening to this audio book, Empire the Summer Moon.

[107] It is fucking insane.

[108] It's all about the war.

[109] I'll tell you the guy's name.

[110] Oh, Jamie and pull it up.

[111] Gary.

[112] Fucking Gary.

[113] He's fucking Gary.

[114] Best of luck, Gary.

[115] S .C. Gwyn.

[116] G -W -Y -N -E, Empire the Summer Moon.

[117] It's all about the war with the Plains tribes.

[118] The Plains Indians versus the settlers is fucking insane, man. It's insane.

[119] It's like everyone knows that there was European settlers and they had conflict with Indians and there was a lot of things that happened.

[120] But until you read like the accounts of all the different battles and all the things that happened and all the slaughters and all the chaos.

[121] and the children and the message is sent by more violent like oh dude and and you think you're sending one message but you're really giving the the wrong one yeah i can't i can't imagine and it's so far away for maybe you and i yeah that reading that is like it's like when you don't think about it it's sort of like it's just an app i don't use or something in this day and age see if they have a photo of cynthia and parker there's a couple photos of this woman who was a she was kidnapped by the by the Comanches when she was nine and her everyone in her family was brutally murdered there was a raid on her town but they kidnapped her and she became a part of the Comanchees and she married a chief and had babies with them and then they they've captured her again when these settlers so this is a photo this lady this lady became a Comanche and then fucking hated coming back to civilization oh she was The command she finally lost, and that's what she was kind of forced to do, is be re -kidnapped.

[122] See, that's a famous photover, the one that you just had, Jamie, in the left -hand side, because she's breastfeeding, and she has a bare breast, and she's doing this, and they used it for some sort of newspaper story, and they never did that with, like, a regular white woman.

[123] They did it with her, because they wanted to show that even though this woman was raised, you know, until she was nine years old by white people, she, became a savage and that's why they have her they're breastfeeding her half indian baby it's it's so sad man the story about her is so sad because she didn't want to go back well what do you keep trying to escape what what do you think the you know everyone does something with some intention and i think mostly people think they're it's a good intention whether that works out or not but what do you think the the thought process was behind being comanchee slaughtering everyone else and saying, we're going to keep this gal and then kind of take her into the fold.

[124] That sounds like a lovingly, lovingly taken into the fold.

[125] It was more pragmatic, apparently, according to this book.

[126] They didn't have a high birth rate because women would miscarry a lot because they were on horses all the time.

[127] Yeah.

[128] Because they rode horses.

[129] They were a wild fucking tribe, man. It was really amazing reading the accounts of what their life was just so rough.

[130] But they didn't have like pottery and bad.

[131] baskets.

[132] But they're like, but they're rough.

[133] Yeah.

[134] I mean, they were war like, they were all about war.

[135] That was their whole thing.

[136] And war with other tribes.

[137] Yeah.

[138] Just as much.

[139] Previous.

[140] Oh, yeah.

[141] Before the Europeans came, they were fucking everybody up.

[142] The Comanches were just ruthless, man. And all they did was kill buffalo and eat buffalo meat and eat buffalo meat.

[143] They were just eating meat and just riding horses and fucking people up.

[144] Okay, that part sounded delicious.

[145] Amazing, right?

[146] Buffalo meat, open fire.

[147] I mean, there's something incredibly romantic about it.

[148] you know, just with a...

[149] It's one of the things about Native Americans versus the Western settlers or the people that settled is that no one ever like Native Americans never wanted to join European civilization.

[150] It was not their thing.

[151] But Europeans did join these tribes, not just this Cynthia Ann Parker lady, but a bunch, a bunch of people just made friends with the Indians, learned the language, it became a part of their culture.

[152] And they were like, fuck you and your fucking stores and all your bullshit.

[153] You want to have tea in the middle of the day here, dress like that.

[154] It's sort of like settlers come in and what they're settling for is that they're going to try to make the rest of the world look like what they are.

[155] And they won't be able to, so we'll settle for whatever we get.

[156] And then there's these other people that are just sort of living good downstream.

[157] It seems like the settlers are fighting upstream always.

[158] And the Indians are just living downstream.

[159] They're going with what's there.

[160] Yeah, they're going with what's there.

[161] They're becoming part of the land.

[162] Instead of, we should really force this thing and to make it sit.

[163] They were so fucking ruthless, though, man. So ruthless.

[164] It's crazy to read all the depictions, all the things that they did.

[165] But just there's something so insanely romantic about their life.

[166] Like they were talking about Cynthia Ann Parker's, when they brought her back in her 30s, they brought her back to civilization, how difficult it was for her to sort of reintegrate.

[167] And that, like, the world of the command she was like a world of magic.

[168] Like in that everything was a god.

[169] There was wind gods and fire gods and the trees were gods.

[170] There was like thousands of gods.

[171] Now all of a sudden you had to believe in one god.

[172] Or just like where you're deliberately blocking all those gods on purpose at every turn, right?

[173] Because if you, I mean, who's to say that that like really engaging with the gods of the wind and all that doesn't open this thing for somebody?

[174] because there wasn't tons of people, like you said, trying to be in the white world.

[175] No. But there was a shit ton of people, a metric fuck ton trying to be Comanche and Paiute and you name it, you know?

[176] I mean, there must be something really wonderful to it, just maybe lacking the defense to stop us.

[177] Well, it didn't work.

[178] Like their magic didn't protect them from the white settlers, but there was something about the belief in that magic.

[179] Well, only the last group of them.

[180] Yeah.

[181] It did everyone else before.

[182] I mean, all things must come to an end and cycle out.

[183] It's like...

[184] Well, what really got them was disease.

[185] They said that disease killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 90 % of the Native Americans, which is just incredible.

[186] And that's also the Aztecs.

[187] It's a lot of civilizations that encounter these dirty Europeans.

[188] Yeah.

[189] Have you ever been to Teotihuacan?

[190] No, I've never been there.

[191] I heard it's amazing, though.

[192] Something really interesting happened to me there.

[193] Now, when I, that not only is this square that we went to and stand on this earth mound and this guy whose nickname was Gorilla giving us this wonderful tour, just a spot, the most romantic tour ever of this place, for such a rough place.

[194] And he goes, wait right here.

[195] And we're in this giant square.

[196] And he runs down this dirt mound about, I don't know, say 150 feet away, 200 feet away.

[197] And he goes, can you hear me?

[198] And it was like, oh, my God.

[199] I could hear him.

[200] this square was built with these mounds here to be able to speak at this voice to 250 ,000 people.

[201] Whoa.

[202] And I was like, what?

[203] And then we walk.

[204] Is that right there?

[205] Is that it up there?

[206] Yes.

[207] Well, it's, okay, it's that way and then go left.

[208] You could look this way, so you don't have to look backwards.

[209] Yeah.

[210] So if we were to see that square, if we were to go straight around that pyramid and make a left, that's where those mounds are.

[211] and the other thing is in these that's the same shot from a different angle that's near where these shaman lived this shaman had quarters like an area of this place and there was this there's these sort of things and I said what are these and they said they're reflection ponds I said oh like for like reflecting and he goes no for reflecting and I'd never consider that you don't look at the stars by going but that really you look down and you mark so in seven years when it comes around again you're like oh pattern because i'm always like how do you look up and learn a pattern of that right right right but by looking down that's crazy so they had ponds just to look at the reflection of the stars and and map them out yeah the shaman did that was like in their neighborhood and if you the way you were shaman is if you had a birth mark on your head when you were born they immediate were like two boards rope and just put two boards and roped you and began a lifetime of of like so you're a shaman which if you had a lifetime of that you'd be like hi shaman show hey shaman i mean it's so it's like being born a royal squeeze the shaman don't squeeze the shaman even more weird right because it you don't have a history or a bloodline of it it's just it's the study of what we are and that that is significant because i it felt to me immediate like well everyone can't do that we need you know you don't have a thing on you sell you yeah if you don't have the birth mark Yeah, I mean, that's a really good, like, entry, you know, at the gate.

[212] You know, that's the case with the Dalai Lama, too.

[213] I think they found him when he was, I want to say he was nine.

[214] How old was the Dalai Lama when they found him?

[215] But they just decided, oh, you're a reincarnated holy man. And so you don't have to work ever again.

[216] I know, but can you imagine being nine and you're just, like, have two toys and like, huh?

[217] Yeah, like, what?

[218] Yeah, this is the hell goes.

[219] Mom!

[220] You don't have to work, butt, no pussy ever.

[221] Like, what?

[222] What are you talking about?

[223] I'd be like, mom!

[224] These, they say I'm, you don't know what you're missing yet.

[225] Yeah, before you know.

[226] It's just a weird choice.

[227] And then people look to him like there's something incredibly special about him, right?

[228] He's the Dalai Lama.

[229] But it's not like he went through this long sort of apprenticeship period where he meditated it and then became the Dalai Lama.

[230] Or yeah, a lot of 20 meditators, you're like, you were the quietest.

[231] Yeah, you're the best, bro.

[232] The way you focus.

[233] No, he's fucking nine.

[234] Hey, focus on me for a sec. I got to get out of it, you know.

[235] How old was it?

[236] Does it say?

[237] I think he might have been almost, I think he was a little bit older than, like, 15, something like that.

[238] Really?

[239] See, that seems like a rough one.

[240] Yeah, I'm trying to read on it.

[241] It says it took him four years before he actually, like, took the power of the Dalai Lama.

[242] Oh, so he had to have a little.

[243] Yeah, he was so young, he kept dropping it.

[244] And they're like, I'm not 100%.

[245] They're like, Gary, get over here.

[246] Either way, he was, does, oh, do you know who else is a reincarnated holy person?

[247] Stephen Seagal.

[248] Well, duh.

[249] They've decided one day, oh, you must be some spiritual creature from another life.

[250] Well, that actually sounds right.

[251] That's a fairly good description of him.

[252] You're a creature, you're a physical creature from another life.

[253] But that's, yeah, there it is.

[254] In 1997, Lamar Panor Rinpoche from Pallul Monastery announced that cigar was a Tolku.

[255] and specifically the reincarnation of Chung Drag, Dorje, a 17th century turton, which is a treasure revealer.

[256] That sounded like me reading in the fifth grade.

[257] Yeah, it seems like it too.

[258] Lampore Rinpochi from Pali.

[259] How many times do you think that got him laid?

[260] Twice.

[261] At least three.

[262] Well, no, he's got one in each hand, right?

[263] There's got to be someone that had sex with him because they really thought that he was a reincarnated holy man. Maybe like someone from another country didn't understand him.

[264] Well, maybe it was Lama Penor Rinpoche from the Palo Monastery.

[265] It's kind of hilarious.

[266] The only way to pass this on to you.

[267] I mean, someone is anal.

[268] He tricked somebody.

[269] That's incredible.

[270] I wonder how many people that works as an expression for versus the amount of people that are like, what do you want on your sandwich?

[271] You know, like he's like, well, I'm a magical being and it's like would you just order your food when you went to that the aztec temple as a musician when you're sitting there did you like did it make sense like the acoustics like the way it's set up does the the way the sound works does it make sense to you like how they constructed it um it it left a very lasting feeling of that we're supposed to be here and that you know it just it really restored a lot of faith in humanity i i didn't focus on the ritualistic murder that was going on there it was just the that's the one set of people the other set of people built this and they knew and they knew and you know much like the great pyramids that are really you know in the shape of a ryan's belt exactly that same concept of like what's going on here matters and if that is your focus think of how wonderful it can be you know like how did those people know how to make that with no without the you know they say without the wheel that would be like really hard seems insane yeah the Aztecs didn't have the wheel right allegedly yeah how the fuck did they do all that well at least the way they did it physically you can kind of like they we know that they murdered 80 ,000 slaves in a period of just a few days after the construction of that temple Yeah, so it was like don't tell me, actually don't worry about it I'll take care of it.

[272] I think they knew that they were going to be slaughtered.

[273] I think it was kind of like part of the gig.

[274] Yeah, well, I...

[275] Maybe I'm wrong with that.

[276] I might be wrong about that.

[277] Well, I, it doesn't with that many people, it wouldn't sound surprising that you'd have some cooperation.

[278] I mean, it's hard to imagine 80 ,000 people at once going, sorry, what?

[279] and not be like well fuck this man yeah that sounds like a cooperative event to me somehow unless they were somehow another locked up and they brought them out one by one that's an awfully big cage you've got there yeah it isn't yeah 80 ,000 that's quite an arena yeah yeah like you'd have to build an extra one of those just to hold them yeah that's like a giant football arena it's that big yeah it's that big and and um that what struck me as just because I I play music as I thought, okay, that means these acoustics are so perfect.

[280] Like, who, how do you discover that?

[281] Are you in a canyon?

[282] And you're like, wow, this sounds, can you hear me over there?

[283] And then you sort of triangulate and start doing the geometry for how that works.

[284] And like, quick, someone invent geometry first, though, because I don't know.

[285] I mean, how does that, you know, manifest itself, that understanding.

[286] Yeah, how many thousands of years did it take before the, they figured out how to construct something.

[287] Yeah, where someone on their deathbed is like, wait, one last thing about acoustics.

[288] Sound kind of bounces off shit.

[289] But it's got to be shaped like this.

[290] Yeah.

[291] But the Pythagorean theorem, you know.

[292] I've never been to any of the Aztec temples, but I went to Chechnica.

[293] I saw some of the Mayan temples.

[294] And it just, whenever you were at a place like that, that's just magical.

[295] That's so fucking old and so amazingly constructed.

[296] You just think, what the fuck was it like to live back then?

[297] I'm like, do we have a terrible idea of what they were like?

[298] Of course.

[299] Yeah, we don't know.

[300] Well, but it sort of dawned on me at some point that was like, oh, you mean the people that wrote our history wrote it as from the perspective of, by the way, we're way better, way better.

[301] But, okay, here's the story of these other people.

[302] Yeah, right.

[303] You know what I mean?

[304] Like by some kind of dickhead winner.

[305] Right, right, right.

[306] A dickhead winner with guns.

[307] Yeah.

[308] Like before we get started, I'm better than the person I'm going to tell you about it.

[309] Yeah.

[310] Yeah, but we can't, even though we can't do what they did.

[311] Because what is the emotion when you're in that space?

[312] I'm trying to think of the right word to describe how I felt there.

[313] Right.

[314] And I guess, it's awe, right?

[315] Yeah, it really is awe.

[316] But also there's a, there's almost, yeah, reverence.

[317] And there's almost like some strange gratitude.

[318] Yeah.

[319] Like where you're like, thank you for, I'm so thankful to be part of this, even just by living in a time to appreciate this.

[320] Yeah, yeah.

[321] It feels, it's so, it feels like knowledge expanding that I, I don't have.

[322] So I just feel like, oh, if I could have a piece of that, if I could understand a piece of that.

[323] But just standing there is sort of understanding it.

[324] Right.

[325] We have such an egotistical perspective when it comes to our personal civilization that we, like this with the internet and with cars and with planes and all that, this is the best way to be.

[326] There's a word for it.

[327] I can't, can you try to find such a thing?

[328] please what is the word there's a word for the word definition is to believe that the era you're in is the finest of them all yeah up to this point I think yeah I've heard that word I know what you're saying that is a It's some kind of dick had syndrome Exactly It certainly was created by a man There's some guys like Yeah I don't think it was a girl If it was she was like one of them Alt -right female chicks But don't you wish that there was, like, a supportive mother was like, yeah, sure, honey, you're the best.

[329] This is the best.

[330] You're number one.

[331] Don't worry about the payments.

[332] Yeah, don't worry about him, guys.

[333] He's fine.

[334] You're the best.

[335] Yeah, it's like the same thing with the Native Americans and the settlers, that the settlers were imposing their lifestyle.

[336] But the people that experienced the Native American lifestyle, they wanted to stay living like that.

[337] For sure.

[338] Well, I think because it omitted some of the things that the European culture was bringing.

[339] Yes.

[340] And I, you can, it seems like a distinct possibility that the European perspective, like when Pizarro and all that, you know, was it 12 of them?

[341] Conquistur was killed like a thousand natives in a come matter of hours when, you know, when they land, they're looking for gold everywhere.

[342] Right, right.

[343] And at first, they have this belief that something big will come across the water and be their God.

[344] and here comes a ship with a bunch of dirty assholes that literally factually dirty assholes have ridden across a boat and and you know I think about that perspective where they obviously were like these people are nice but I've had enough of this they should have invented ships were better so let's kill everyone here yeah well Cortez and Montezuma that's what I mean Cortez yeah Cortez that's who it is yeah yeah they didn't know what was going on because I don't think that previous to that time they'd ever seen anyone on a horse before.

[345] No, and, and come across, you imagine a big boat and then a few horses where they're like, what the fuck is, yeah, uh, Gary, come over and look at this.

[346] It's just, it's impossible to found them.

[347] Yeah, a man riding a beast.

[348] They're probably like, what in the fuck is?

[349] With like rusty armor from being on a fucking boat for months.

[350] Yeah.

[351] Like, looking like shit, being desperately like, dust.

[352] Like, I imagine their relief when they come off on these horses with this armor.

[353] and all this stuff, and they're like, they're cool.

[354] This is going to be easy, you know.

[355] I mean, at first they must have thought maybe we could do this with some goodwill.

[356] But quickly, it's like, you guys are too primitive.

[357] We're just going to take over here.

[358] I doubt they even thought they were going to do it with goodwill.

[359] I don't think there was any goodwill back then.

[360] I think people were just murdering people.

[361] You think that there's perhaps that more people took more lives in a way, like per capita or something?

[362] I think that it was a more brutal way of taking lives.

[363] I'm sure people take more lives today in war, but I think back then it was just, it was hands on.

[364] Right, but it seems like more percentage of the people that are alive had an opportunity or the possibility to kill someone today.

[365] Yeah.

[366] So it's like if you are with 150 people, all of which I've killed at least three people.

[367] Right.

[368] That's an interesting group.

[369] And then you land on a boat.

[370] You've been there for months.

[371] You're like, maybe, maybe you are like, we got to kill somebody and rape something and take something as quick as possible.

[372] And you have no idea what the fuck they're saying because you can't speak their language.

[373] So it's easy to just.

[374] And they're being nice.

[375] So you're like, they're going to fuck these people up in five, four, three.

[376] Like that silent count off.

[377] That's bizarre.

[378] Well, that's the history of mankind is men showing up in boats and killing everybody that they met.

[379] And then kind of doing their own version of a selfie on the dead bucket.

[380] Yeah.

[381] Right, getting paintings.

[382] Yeah.

[383] Yeah, draw me. I would imagine what it would be like if you could be a fly on the wall when Montezuma met Cortez, just to be there and see what that was like when these people who had never encountered Spaniards before and these guys show up in these boats.

[384] With two absolutely different beliefs and perspectives of what's about to go down.

[385] What's crazy is that is why Mexico speaks Spanish.

[386] I mean, people don't get that in their head, like, oh, Mexico speaks Spanish.

[387] It's why all of South America, except for Brazil, Brazil is Portuguese, you know.

[388] Yeah.

[389] I mean, we don't get that in our head, like Mexico speaks Spanish.

[390] Why do they say, it has horses.

[391] Yeah, Spain's way the fuck over there.

[392] How is, what?

[393] Where they speak Spanish.

[394] Yeah.

[395] Like, it's, it makes no fucking sense.

[396] But then you realize, like, oh, my God, they were conquered by the Spaniards.

[397] Whoa.

[398] Yeah.

[399] And a long.

[400] long time ago.

[401] Long fucking time ago.

[402] Long fucking time ago.

[403] Because I, I, because of having a, my music teacher as a young boy drilled the song.

[404] In 1492 from Spain through wind and storming gay.

[405] The nina the pinta the center.

[406] 1492.

[407] 1492, which is, which by my watch is a long time ago.

[408] It is, it is, but it's not.

[409] You know, like I had a joke in my act about the United States being founded at 1776.

[410] people lived to be 100 That's three people ago That's real though I know it sounds fucked up When you hear it When you hear it it sounds like Is he right?

[411] That's not right What's funny is that's totally true Yeah it is right I mean that's We just got here Yeah Yeah That's right The thing is anything that happens Before you were born It seems like a million years ago Of course But also 1776 Seems like yesterday to me I wasn't alive And I'm ready to admit that but that seems like oh that is just very close i'm sure fucking super recent yeah i mean do you think it's possible that a new nation gets started is it too late because like the reason why the united states got started because everybody hated how suppressive european civilization was so they're like we should wait to see how we do it yeah we're gonna fix this this is come over here yeah in some ways we have right it's better in some ways than it used to be in some ways in some ways we did more freedom in some ways we did not some way we didn't yeah yeah it's like what humans do we No one never nails anything.

[412] It's just everything's messy.

[413] It's always complicated, especially more people.

[414] Yeah.

[415] Because anyone that's been to a family reunion has said, oh, fucking Gary, really?

[416] Yeah.

[417] You know?

[418] Well, then also, like, the different environments that people live in sort of dictate their personnel.

[419] Like, you're a desert guy, right?

[420] Yeah.

[421] You're from the desert.

[422] Yeah.

[423] What is that?

[424] Scorpion.

[425] I'm one of the few people I know that's been bit by one.

[426] Have you really?

[427] Yeah.

[428] Yeah, and as I, I was going up to the Joshua Tree to this studio that's really just a house.

[429] Was that the one that the guys showed in the thing you did with Bourdain?

[430] Yeah, yeah.

[431] Rancho de la Luna.

[432] Yeah.

[433] But its magic is what's missing.

[434] And I mean, everywhere, every.

[435] But, and all that's left is like, what if you just, when the tide receded, it was just the idiosyncratic.

[436] and the previously thrown away like all in reborn and you know it's just got that sort of feeling to it right so and so I was driving up there and I know I'm a desert boy I know that you're not supposed to at night times when everything comes out right because in the day everyone is like oh really I mean everything that walks or crawls is like and so at night everyone everything that walks or crawls, goes, all right, let's go.

[437] Right.

[438] And so you wear shoes.

[439] If you do not wear shoes, you have made a mistake for sure.

[440] And as soon as we pull up to the rancho in the dirt parking lot, I open up, I open up the door, and I'm on the passenger side, and I step out, and I go in to reach for a 12 pack of beer, and something hit me on the foot, and I was like, and I lift my foot, and there's this black, well, I'm done.

[441] Dark brownish, like a root -beary brown scorpion hanging from my foot going, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

[442] And I was like, I think it was like, like a really butch gal who's been terrified for the first time.

[443] And I slapped it.

[444] And I slapped it off my foot because that's my knee -jerk reaction.

[445] And as I did that, that's when I screamed and jumped like, you know, like a mouse or something in the car and in the door light of this um uh in the door light this scorpion hit the ground like shuffled itself turned and came right at me whoa and was sort of like fuck you wait too i it scared it scared me to death came back at you you imagine being that little wanting to fuck up something as big as you well you'd have to right you'd have it wouldn't be there would be no bravado at all would be like Yeah, yeah, this is what you do.

[446] It would be a true believer, right?

[447] That in that moment, I'm like, fuck this thing, and it is 100 % sure that it's going to fuck me up.

[448] And it was right, because what am I going to do?

[449] Like, I'm going to hit this stinger with my hands.

[450] Right.

[451] I just know.

[452] What was the pain like?

[453] Well, at that time, my understanding of scorpions was in our desert, the Mojave, there's two types.

[454] And one which is like, you know, 20.

[455] 24 hours of central nervous system shut down so they can't even give you anything for the pain because the thing that's that regulates that gets like turned off or and so you're just like for 24 hours you're in pain that's that was my knowledge at that time and the other one is akin to a beast thing so which one did you get well i had to like track back this was before the internet and so i go inside and the remedy at that time as as fred drake who rest in peace um told me was to drink Jack Daniels and put your foot in a bucket of hot, like burning hot water, which is a little bit like having a horse on each leg and they take off a different direction.

[456] Because they get the hottest water you can take and continue the pain.

[457] Like, it's such a wife's tail.

[458] It's almost like a divorcee's tale or something.

[459] It's like, so I did that and waited because I didn't know which one it was.

[460] It turns out that the 24 hours one lives in another desert in more.

[461] close to Arizona and that it's not quite as as I've described I'm just telling you what I thought at the time and it was much like a bee sting but by the time I I realized that and it swall up it swall up immediate and looked like it was going to keep going because it got to this golf ball so fast that it was like when will this stop right right but it was like a beasting but by the time I discovered that I was so drunk that beasting schmisting you know that know.

[462] So you're just sitting there with your foot in a bucket of hot water, getting hammered.

[463] No, scalding.

[464] Scalding water.

[465] Like, it was like, the hotter is the better.

[466] And I was like, ah, don't dump it.

[467] Imagine if the fucking real injury was you got third degree burns in your foot from the water and there was nothing wrong with the beat.

[468] How mad would you be?

[469] My friend said, the real remedy is you grab a shark and you stick it up your ass.

[470] And you totally forget about it.

[471] A buddy mine was in South America and he got bit by a bullet ant.

[472] he got hit by a bulletin on his heel and he said it was he said the pain was so bad but it was so bewildering that after the pain was over he couldn't figure out which foot got bit because your brain's going like static he said it's so confusing the pain's so confusing because it's for hours do you think that because any time I've seen that online where it's like you know I'm dingo piles and I let a bullet ant bite me We were like, Jesus, man. Don't hang out with this person.

[473] No to self.

[474] Yeah, like a handful.

[475] Yeah, it's like a ritual that young men have to do to reach the coming of age.

[476] Oh, that's right, yeah.

[477] That's like jumping off on how bungee was invented with no bunge or no boing.

[478] No boing.

[479] It's just rope.

[480] To be a man, you jump up this thing.

[481] And it's like, I'm starting to identify as a, yeah.

[482] uh yeah i i wonder what the bullet ant thinks of all this if it's like no i can never make any friends i don't think they're just violence in insect form don't you think that that's if there ever was an alien that would be it would be easy to assume this little bullet ant in space that's just like yeah and then push is so hard that there's two of them well we'll really be fucked up is bugs were big and intelligent.

[483] If bugs behaved the way settlers behaved when they encountered the Native Americans.

[484] I must say, I'm happy to hear you say that.

[485] Something I say to my kids, and I've said to myself for many, many, many years.

[486] Is when I'm having a rough morning, I say, thank God praying mantis aren't five feet tall.

[487] Fuck yeah, dude.

[488] Because getting to your car would be a nightmare.

[489] Yeah.

[490] And you'd never, it'd just be like, you know, that.

[491] Yeah, I was just watching a video of a praying man It's fucking up a mouse They're so powerful, man It's crazy Just to like start the morning It was just sitting there It was just sitting there As a mouse got close to him And then he grabs a hold of them And fucks them up Is that a normal way you start the morning?

[492] Yeah, unfortunately Yeah, there was one with a squirrel too It was uh The praying mantas was eating a squirrel It's like holding on to this little squirrel's head And just slowly pulling it apart Oh there's another one with a lizard The lizard one was pretty fucked Look at this mouse.

[493] You would think, well, there's no way.

[494] Look, that mouse is just like, oh, well, just going over here, just going to look over here.

[495] Bro, they are so ruthless, these goddamn things.

[496] And they're so fucking deceptively strong for their size.

[497] You look at how big they are.

[498] I mean, look at that, dude.

[499] If that was five feet tall.

[500] Oh, we'd be fucked.

[501] I wouldn't, honestly, I would stay home and a lot more.

[502] I would be armed to the dick all day long.

[503] Just fucking everywhere I go.

[504] Multiple guns, Kevlar suits here.

[505] goes, bitch!

[506] And the way they gets them is so fucking fast.

[507] Well, it is a kind of a cool thing that we don't have to like die watching something eat us.

[508] It's crazy though that there's no, it's not a contest.

[509] Look at that in the ear though.

[510] That's eating them ear first.

[511] What I'd like to move is that that's not, that's uncalled for.

[512] It's rude.

[513] Yeah.

[514] He's eating him ear first.

[515] If I'm hit by something that's going to eat me, I'm like, don't start at the fucking ear, man. They don't do a fuck.

[516] Well, really that.

[517] That's what you've got to hear.

[518] The mouse doesn't even have a chance.

[519] How's the chewing?

[520] Just like, where you're just like, will you get in deep enough, please?

[521] You get this over with you, fuck.

[522] And then you just feel the sound at that point.

[523] Yeah.

[524] Like, boulders underwater.

[525] It's like, it's just crazy when you look at how big the mouse is and how small the insect is, like for mass of body weight.

[526] It's not even a contest that the praying mantis just gets it 100%.

[527] Like, it's not like maybe the mouse can get away.

[528] Like, no, it's over bitch.

[529] It's a bit.

[530] like that orca eats the great white's liver thing right right where for for for like a thousand nautical miles in every direction every single tagged white shark as soon as that happens the radius is like a thousand nautical miles every great white shark was like so anyways they I'm out of here and then takes off really yeah so they felt it like they knew yeah something about the smell of their own debt of that really or whatever that you know what is it the opulive Laurenzini that that sixth sense they have oh right okay something about that frequency for them is sort of like call you back and they just bail well that's like the bully getting bullied right like they're the meanest motherfuckers in the ocean except for the orcas right i think at this point in my life i'm like they don't have hands so they're like sorry i got to try what's going on here no hands gonna use this sorry because when you when you have no predators most of your time like that.

[531] What's up, Jamie?

[532] What do you got?

[533] Did we mention this before where they only go after the liver?

[534] Oh, yeah.

[535] Like this creepy.

[536] Well, they do some fava beans with it, so that's cool.

[537] It's probably very nutritious.

[538] Are you kidding?

[539] Orcas are the biggest...

[540] How do you do that with your mouth?

[541] I think or are probably the biggest dick of all.

[542] Because they're just like, should we go fuck with that guy and grab the liver, or what do you want to do?

[543] Well, they fuck up dolphins, too.

[544] We know dolphins are kind of cute.

[545] Well, a big to...

[546] Well, the permanent smile, right?

[547] That's a dolphins are cute.

[548] They're just thinking, hey, because it could be like, fuck you.

[549] Well, even dolphins, like dolphins commit infanticide.

[550] They kill babies.

[551] They do it on porpoise.

[552] Yeah.

[553] Well, they killed their own to kinds babies to try to force the female and estrus.

[554] And so as a consequence, female dolphins.

[555] Oh, right, to get them back to fertility.

[556] Because female dolphins, when they breed, apparently, once they have a baby, they have to raise that baby for like six years.

[557] So they won't have sex for like six years.

[558] So what male dolphins do is they will kill the baby so the force to female to breed again.

[559] So what females do is they become hos.

[560] So they fuck everybody and anybody they can.

[561] So that if a dolphin runs into her, they go, maybe that's my kid.

[562] Oh, right.

[563] Yeah.

[564] So they're not sure if it's their kid.

[565] Obviously, there's no 23.

[566] Plausible deniability.

[567] Yeah.

[568] So they know that they fucked her.

[569] What is it, the seven great oceans in me or something?

[570] Well, they're really intelligent, right?

[571] I mean, And they have a cerebral cortex that's 40 % larger than a human beings.

[572] When there was that one shot, and maybe it's blackfish or something like that, where they put a mirror up and the dolphins are like looking at them, they're self -aware.

[573] Like the, that was an amazing moment to watch.

[574] Like a dolphin go, oh, yeah.

[575] Like with a shower with a hairbrush singing in the mirror, sort of.

[576] Well, it can't.

[577] It's like the way we looked at other cultures.

[578] We think we're better.

[579] But when we look at orcas and dolphins, just because they can't affect their environment the way we can, like they can't build houses and, you know, and create things.

[580] Yeah.

[581] We assume they're not as intelligent.

[582] Well, create things that we would determine to have any value.

[583] Right, right.

[584] Physical objects.

[585] That's it.

[586] But the way they have culture and communication and intelligence.

[587] Yeah, to have the sonar and all that stuff, they're operating with tools that we're like, what?

[588] Yeah, we don't even understand what you're doing.

[589] Oh, you mean, bing, I got that over here, bing, it's like...

[590] Yeah, they're using sonar and finding objects in the water and recognizing fish.

[591] As a musician, I, at one point, I went through this pirate phase of reading where you just read about, because all the logs are so accurate, they had to be, to survive.

[592] So you read pirates logs?

[593] Yeah, like, well, the historical version of why did someone, why did someone turn into a privateer, you know, charged by the king of Spain to take anything, English, into the English, it's a pirate.

[594] Like, how does that?

[595] And it was from war slowing down and all these sailors having, like, what do we do?

[596] Oh.

[597] You know?

[598] And the logs are so accurate and in a very fact, like, this is what happened.

[599] It's marked in the log.

[600] That's just great, accurate history of the Caribbean.

[601] Well, that's one of the ways we know about what happened with Columbus, right?

[602] One of the more fucked up things about Columbus is, I believe it was missionaries that traveled with him that ratted him out about how ruthless they were.

[603] They were cutting people's arms off.

[604] They didn't give them enough gold and dashing baby's heads on the rocks.

[605] But then you wouldn't be able to get any more gold from that person, certainly just.

[606] Yeah, the idea was to bring enough.

[607] But if you didn't bring enough as a practical thing, like, go get me more gold.

[608] You know, cut his arm up.

[609] Well, now I can't even bring more anyways.

[610] I think the idea was nobody wants their arm cut off.

[611] So there's plenty of them.

[612] Yeah.

[613] Like, just kill this one guy.

[614] And the people that do only have one arm, they probably have already done that.

[615] Yeah.

[616] That was one of them were fucked up.

[617] The reason for the logs is they would talk about how whales and dolphins, you could hear them singing.

[618] Because there's no engines on the ocean.

[619] So it's just the silence of the planet.

[620] Right, right.

[621] They're just using sails.

[622] Yeah.

[623] And sometimes there isn't any wind, and it's night where everything comes.

[624] comes out to do its thing, and you'd hear this communication, this vast whale song that you could hear around the world because the whales are so big and that there's this communication and that they're extrapolating that there's a communication breakdown now because of the noise pollution of it all.

[625] Oh, sure, noise pollution and regular pollution as well.

[626] Right, right.

[627] Yeah.

[628] The constant drone of success.

[629] Damn.

[630] You know?

[631] I mean, that's where the real horrific death has occurred, right?

[632] In the ocean.

[633] Imagine what the ocean was like in terms of like teeming with life in 1492?

[634] Yeah, I mean, yeah, because they talk about that trash thing that really was a, it was nutrients before.

[635] That's why the animals came there.

[636] You know, but they, you know, there's a trash plastic island, the size of Texas.

[637] Yeah, yeah.

[638] But it all gathers there because of the currents.

[639] and previously it wasn't an island of plastic but in fact an island of nutrients that brought everything in so it was like hometown buffet for fish things and now they're showing up and they're like you know what I mean yeah how's a six -pack ring look on me it's sort of bummer it's a fucking bummer yeah what's up Jim did you see what Colin O' Brady who was on the podcast a few months ago now.

[640] Yeah, he's going to row across to Antarctica.

[641] Drake's Passage, I guess, is what it's called, in this little teeny row boat.

[642] Oh, Jesus.

[643] He's crazy.

[644] A couple other guys he's going to do it with, but I guess they're going to...

[645] He walked across Antarctica.

[646] Yeah, a harrowing story.

[647] How do that...

[648] Really?

[649] I can't imagine it not being fraught at every other's footstep.

[650] I bet you do that, though, for like, however long it takes him, a summer, rowing, you come out ripped.

[651] I bet you get developed serious back muscles Yeah Yeah you know That is a really positive way to look at it It's a great workout Do you want bigger back You want your back to look beautiful Okay the crew must roll with me 24 hours a day rotating around the clock With little to no sleep What?

[652] Yeah they're live streaming this whole thing With Discovery so like if they die We're going to watch it Bro look at this I just swells can tower up to 50 feet high What the fuck, man?

[653] Can you imagine it's...

[654] It sounds so crazy.

[655] It sounds so fucking crazy.

[656] Well, imagine it's two, like, 27 in the morning.

[657] Yeah.

[658] And everyone's asleep, and you're in charge of rowing over 50 -foot swells.

[659] And how much can you sleep?

[660] If everybody has to work 24 hours a day, what do you get, like, an hour sleep a day?

[661] Well, you get tons of fake sleep.

[662] There's the boat.

[663] Because you're in the zone.

[664] Look at this fucking boat, too.

[665] It's a shitty little boat.

[666] Can you imagine being the cameraman?

[667] That's the most boring thing ever on that.

[668] Did you see that cameraman on the back?

[669] Oh, that's ridiculous.

[670] He's got a row, too, though.

[671] There's no one who's just a cameraman.

[672] Six athletes, it says.

[673] One boat.

[674] No chance.

[675] No motor.

[676] They're fucked.

[677] Yeah.

[678] Yeah.

[679] No sale.

[680] Oh, God.

[681] Why do people have to do things like this?

[682] No turning back.

[683] I love talking to them when they come back.

[684] But why do they have to do that?

[685] It just seems so ridiculous.

[686] Good luck.

[687] The Impossible Row.

[688] Follow the expedition.

[689] I wonder how you sell that idea to like the other rower.

[690] They have to be assholes too.

[691] There you got a bunch of crazy assholes to get together.

[692] I was thinking about running a thousand miles.

[693] Well, hey, before you do that, I got a project.

[694] Yeah, it does it start with like, hear me out.

[695] Just hear me out.

[696] Let me finish the pitch.

[697] And then, like, do you have to precess that like that?

[698] Yeah.

[699] Or do you just gently try to?

[700] I think those kind of people find themselves.

[701] Yeah.

[702] Yeah, certainly they're near the ore store or whatever the fuck.

[703] There are some people out there that just can't push themselves hard enough, you know, no matter what happens.

[704] Like my friend David Goggins, he ran this Moab 240, it's a 240 mile race through the desert.

[705] He developed pulmonary edema, which I guess you get at high altitudes when you're exerting yourself.

[706] Yeah, that Everest like crazy shit, right?

[707] So he goes to the hospital, they treat him.

[708] He gets back and finishes the race.

[709] So he ran another 80 miles after he ran 180 plus with fucking pulmonary edema.

[710] Like, what?

[711] But does that mean that when you get done, that you're like, good.

[712] Okay.

[713] No, he didn't give a fuck.

[714] I mean, it's not really in the ending.

[715] There's no end with that guy.

[716] That, uh, it's, there's no destination at all.

[717] There's no finish line.

[718] Yeah.

[719] Yeah.

[720] Yeah.

[721] It's just like break to take a leak, I suppose.

[722] The thing is they know, they all know there's other people.

[723] like them out there.

[724] Because they're at the same race.

[725] Yeah, not even just that.

[726] It's just that they're all connected, but from the internet.

[727] You know, they're all connected through the circles that they travel in.

[728] They're connected through just, they follow other people like them online.

[729] But do you think that a drive like that is more an internal one?

[730] Or do you think that the competition of seeing what someone else did is, is what kind of factor?

[731] Do you think that?

[732] I think they both play a factor.

[733] It's other people that are pushing.

[734] they make you realize that it's possible and then it's other it's you you also have to have some sort of insane internal furnace yeah well there I believe when they did some brain testing on that climber fella that did the Alex Honnold yeah yeah that he just didn't trip out it took a lot more to freak him out oh yeah I'm sure that his brain waves were like yeah I'm cool like when you're hanging by one toenail upside down do you even talking about him makes me nervous.

[735] I've had him on twice.

[736] Those shots?

[737] Oh my God.

[738] I shit in someone else's pants.

[739] I get so scared.

[740] Let me borrow your pants real quick.

[741] Those are great on you.

[742] Let me try them on.

[743] And then I'm like, here you go.

[744] Dude, sometimes it's not even straight up and down.

[745] Sometimes it's an angle back.

[746] Yeah, like.

[747] Yeah.

[748] Like 15 degrees back the wrong direction.

[749] Like, what?

[750] Do you just watch that and get vertigo where your balls are sort of like, oh, right.

[751] Look at this.

[752] Look at this.

[753] Don't.

[754] Bro, that's way more than 15 degrees.

[755] How many degrees is that?

[756] If you had a guess.

[757] 45.

[758] That's like 45 degrees, right?

[759] Yeah, so he's...

[760] That is definitely, it's 45 degrees.

[761] Fucking thousand feet up in the sky.

[762] Oh, ho!

[763] But do you have to...

[764] My palms are sweaty.

[765] Yeah, mine are sweating like crazy.

[766] Do you have to...

[767] Feel that, feel that.

[768] I couldn't tell if that's yours or mine.

[769] Dude, that's crazy.

[770] Like, instantaneous palm sweat.

[771] We need to drink Pirel now.

[772] that's light our hands on fire put our hands in the same bucket of water use for the scorpion you know and ride and motorcycle like I try to stay focused and be very now right in the moment yeah because it's a requirement like when you're sort of like did I leave the iron on that's whenever I've gotten in like a little fender bender right of course you know but in that there is no you do you have to stay so in it that there is no out or I think so Can you let yourself drift in almost like a meditative state and just be like hands?

[773] I don't think you can.

[774] I think if you drift, you're fucked.

[775] I mean, I think first of all, the physical requirements.

[776] Well, then how do you stop things like, you know, guess who's hungry, hands up?

[777] Oh, shit.

[778] You know, I mean.

[779] I think he does it so often that he knows how to get into that state.

[780] But, you know, there's also like look at that little thing.

[781] Go that back to the case.

[782] Look at that little thing he's holding on with his left hand.

[783] What's to say that doesn't chip loose?

[784] What's to say?

[785] What's to say?

[786] I mean, some of those rocks...

[787] But talk about manifesting that you do it.

[788] Talk about saying, guess, you know, it's already done.

[789] You'd have to say, it's already done.

[790] I don't know what.

[791] I think you just got to go left foot, right foot, right hand, left hand.

[792] And then you also have done it many times with ropes.

[793] But also, when you're on the ground, you're like, want to hang out?

[794] And he's like, no. Bro, that looks like 60 degrees.

[795] Yeah, that's a little more.

[796] That's insane.

[797] He's, like, basically hanging upside down, climbing so far.

[798] far above the fucking trees on purpose on purpose like like it's Tuesday there you know what I mean most people you and me included would be dead we wouldn't be able to do what he's doing oh I'd be dead of a heart attack on the from realizing I was going to try and he's such a mellow guy too that's what's really interesting yeah like look at that smile that's that's it's like he also just started recently getting injured right I saw that thing yeah in the the movie i tell you what though i will read or watch anything about everest or climbing or i don't if there's something because i'm always like well i'm gonna go for that metaphorically you know metaphorically yeah like i'm gonna take that metaphorically that energy and put it into the car and put it into something else like yeah i don't know pass those chips over here like i the way i eat yeah i eat the way those climbers risk their lives see that sunday over there I'm going to climb that thing.

[799] It's just knowing that someone like that is out there, though.

[800] It changes what our expectations are.

[801] Like what we think of as the boundaries of human performance and what someone's capable of doing.

[802] Well, it's certainly there's a weird epiphany when you're watching someone do that.

[803] Yeah.

[804] Because you're sort of like, I'm doing the exact opposite of this person that I'm watching.

[805] Yeah, you're just sitting there.

[806] Yeah, you're like.

[807] Not risking anything.

[808] Yeah, you're just sort of like, thank you for doing this for my pleasure.

[809] There's a moment of disconnect for me when I'm like, I'm going on a hike.

[810] I can't finish this movie anymore.

[811] I'm not supposed to finish this movie anymore.

[812] It's interesting because what he's doing is essentially a spectator sport, but there's no audience until after it's done.

[813] Right.

[814] So it ultimately for the climb must be singularly about you.

[815] I mean, it must be.

[816] I don't know how you include someone else.

[817] that thing.

[818] I think it's just all about the moment.

[819] I think he's just, like I said, I think he's thinking left foot, right foot, right hand, left hand, and you just keep going and you know the path.

[820] Well, then that would be akin to some of the greatest meditative minds that have ever existed.

[821] Yeah.

[822] Oh, it's got to be.

[823] Yeah.

[824] Because it's one thing to meditate in position and kind of go deeply within and keep going into the depths, which are vast, right?

[825] But it's different if you said, now you get up and climb this thing please there would be a certain amount of no no I'm still meditating I'm not going to do that where you might be like no I'm doing this this so I don't have to do that right to maintain that mindset through action that's a different kind of meditation because the consequences are so grave like if you're just sitting there meditating and your brain drifts nothing happens but if you're up there and you're achieving that state and then your brain drifts and you're like oh Jesus what the fuck am I doing oh my God I've been reading about this, I've been watching and reading this woman, Esther Hicks.

[826] Oh, yeah.

[827] Okay, there's that lady that channels.

[828] Yeah, but putting that aside to not precondition anyone, her discussions on manifestation and her explanation of that, that the physical body, that you have thoughts and thoughts are bigger than, your body is simply a bag that protects your thoughts so they can occur.

[829] Yeah.

[830] And that when you think something, you begin to bring it into idea, which is on the process to bring it into the world.

[831] Yeah.

[832] And so when you say, I can't, certainly cannot.

[833] Right.

[834] And that it's okay when coming from a position of I can, and it's already happened.

[835] And I'm just meeting up with what's already occurred.

[836] Yeah.

[837] That there's something beautiful there, especially when it's not.

[838] really being wrapped in a selfish thing, but manifesting happiness and things you love, and that that attracts other, that's what's contagious, you know?

[839] And so I wonder when I see a photo like that about the connection, and her point being is that she's like, all day long you're thinking thoughts and acting on them because that mind and body are one, they're executing the same process together, you know, dependently.

[840] And, like, that is the embodiment of thought and body and action together and being ultimately in that vortex of being aware.

[841] That Esther Hicks lady is very strange.

[842] I'm very torn on that because I listen to the actual words and the things that she says when she's channeling that, what is it like that?

[843] Abraham.

[844] Is he like a dead guy or an alien?

[845] What is he?

[846] I forget what he is.

[847] One of them channels an alien.

[848] Right.

[849] But I think there's multiple people.

[850] But see, the thing is, I've kind of like was listening, stumbled on that while I was driving and investigating or reconnecting with the law, like the law of attraction.

[851] Yeah.

[852] And how to like, it's like when you get your motorcycle lesson, they tell you to look through the turn because you, you tend to go where you're looking.

[853] You know, not a lot of people are walking backwards and talking to you as they go forwards.

[854] Right, of course.

[855] And so that it sort of dawned on me the connection between just looking for something you love and not bonding or focusing on all the shit you don't like as a manner of walking towards what you desire.

[856] And this kind of reawakening with that concept is just mere, you know, three, four weeks old for me. Really?

[857] Well, returning to that idea, because I had this idea.

[858] this concept before of like someone's got to make it why shouldn't it be why it's why couldn't it be you let's let's let's uh let's let's go for it and really go for it the only way to make it is to really honestly go let's do it so you're talking about like your band before you guys made it no I'm talking about a way of acting regarding anything okay I love music and and music has always been my way of of being the utmost honest I can be and I think because of that that's what's helped gravitate people that have stayed so long in that however also I've realized that I put so much of who I really am in total into the music that there are times that I should have done that in relationships with friends or people it's like and family and and that it's really it's important to do that in life too you know to be engaged yeah and also show your real self that kind of where the vulnerability of all that is really powerful instead of weakness it's the opposite of weakness you know and so I think I think pursuing music that way is great but not if it's keeping you from doing that in life and so it's not just that I would think that way so my band would do well.

[859] It's that I would think that way so that I could, I could do well, I could be well, you know?

[860] Right.

[861] And so that's why I started listening to her and not seeing any of the opening gambit of her transforming into Abraham.

[862] Abraham.

[863] And not caring and not understanding what that means, just going like, I'm just listening to what you're saying while I'm driving.

[864] Right.

[865] And hearing that and the way she speaks, uh, those things is really fascinating.

[866] I choose to detach myself from judgment.

[867] Yeah, because I know one thing, nothing.

[868] Well, it's, it's weird because she's saying very wise things.

[869] Right.

[870] But it would be a shame to get the, just because I don't, that's not the rapper I would pick, that I don't like the candy inside.

[871] Right.

[872] Yeah, the channeling part of it.

[873] Well, yeah, so it's not, oh, you mean it's not exactly how i would do it well fuck this then well it's not just that it's like you're listening to wisdom but are you listening to wisdom from someone who's made up a fairy tale that's where it gets confusing it's well she's channeling well but i was she channeling well but i also think that to be able to learn something this this again this awakening and me is so new um like it it's in all honesty it's it's like a month and a half old but it feels really good what happened It's just that, you know, I think that engagement in life, you know, and also, you know, feeling a bit lost and not knowing how to ask for, how to ask for help sometimes, you know what I mean?

[874] And not really knowing something exists at all.

[875] You have feelings, that's a little too vague.

[876] But my point being that, like, all of a sudden, engaging in something, engaging in something that you're, that you really love, not focusing on the negative part of it, but really chasing after that thing, which makes you feel good.

[877] So you've changed your perspective.

[878] You've changed the way you focus on it.

[879] Absolutely.

[880] And in fact, that I've realized, like, what sort of, you know, it's fine to be afraid of shit, you know.

[881] Yeah.

[882] It's fine.

[883] It's not fine to go, like, nope, that's not over there.

[884] Right, right, to deny it.

[885] Yeah, how can you get stronger unless you turn and really, really look into it, you know?

[886] Right, you don't want to be paralyzed by fear, but there's nothing wrong with being aware that something scares you.

[887] Yeah.

[888] Yeah, yeah.

[889] I mean, I really, nine times out of ten, you didn't need to be afraid of it.

[890] And that one time you do, you know it's true and you know what it is.

[891] Right.

[892] And that seems like a successful, and in dealing with it.

[893] with that too, you get the chance to say, um, I can do this.

[894] Is that lady still alive?

[895] Is Esther Hick still alive?

[896] I have no idea.

[897] Maybe I could get her in.

[898] Have her go wonky on me. I think, I think it would be interesting because you'd have to separate the things that don't fit, right?

[899] Right.

[900] Well, one of the husband has to be there with everything too.

[901] Jerry, he died.

[902] As I listen, see, without having no preconceived notion and just hearing this as I drive them, when the next YouTube thing started to play and I was like, who is this?

[903] Who's Abraham?

[904] There was no context for me. I was just listening to the words.

[905] Right.

[906] And I was like, wow, it's fucking great.

[907] Yeah.

[908] You know, this is great.

[909] And kept listening.

[910] I was driving to the desert and doing this other stuff.

[911] You know what's interesting about it?

[912] It's remarkably consistent.

[913] Like, she doesn't say anything that's really foolish.

[914] And she never changes her tune.

[915] Right.

[916] About, look, and I, and I, and I started to dig that she was saying we because until I understood that she was like channeling something I thought it was just a really beautiful way of saying we what we want to tell you is like as if you were already there right and and really what she was talking about is already being there anyways like you will have an idea you will form a habit of one type or another which one would you like it to be and and know this if all you can focus is on what sucks, but is yet to be, just wait a sec. It's coming.

[917] And where conversely, if you were like, I ain't going to worry about that because I'd like as much time without it as possible.

[918] Let's focus on something I do like until shit gets here.

[919] Yeah.

[920] That you naturally look through the turn.

[921] And as long as you're not trying to turn into a wall or a cavalcade of shit.

[922] Right.

[923] But if you're trying to turn into something you love, you actually will turn into something you love.

[924] In that case, you should probably embrace challenges, right?

[925] And you should probably welcome them because when they happen, they will test you.

[926] And then you can figure out whether or not this philosophy is actually...

[927] Well, I mean, I have been testing because, you know, I've always, like, dealt with difficulty by shielding it, putting into the music or putting it into some dark closet somewhere.

[928] You know what I mean?

[929] Right.

[930] Because that's just you're taught to know.

[931] do that right yeah like gnash your teeth and and grin and bear it ignore it yeah like that's what the rug is for sweeping stuff under right where you're like oh really and but that feels like building a dam or something to when really you're supposed to let that river of of fear or whatever go with it go downstream with it stop fighting it yeah because you damn all that shit up put it in the corner bury it behind and really one day it just like gives you a massive bath of you're fucked that damn brain that whole law of attraction thing is very strange to me because I feel like everybody's trying to describe something that there's some element of truth to but that it's really complicated and it's not as simple as think it and manifest it there's a lot of discipline involved in that there's a lot of hard work and concentration and thought and doubts and hopes and dreams and there's a lot of other things and then also fortune well I feel like when those when I would never use that for fortune.

[932] For me, the fortune would be like that your relationships and emotional connections get deeper.

[933] Yeah, I don't mean I mean being fortunate.

[934] I mean being lucky.

[935] Like we're lucky, we're here.

[936] Well, we're blessed we're here but it's not really lucky.

[937] And I think that's one of the main things right there is understanding the difference in thought.

[938] Because ultimately what you're saying, what one is that hard work that you're talking about and all those things are sort of getting out of your own way and unlearning how to say how to be so doubtful about it all and just say I'll take I'll take something I like and I'll just think about that for a bit and let that be the first step and then go what do I keep going down that river downstream of that idea getting closer and closer to something you really love because saying you know saying I don't like this water bottle sucks, but saying, um, but at least I don't have to drink it is one step away from that.

[939] And if you just keep taking those steps away and going down that river, that's the right direction to be going.

[940] Because focusing on this is like, how's that going to help you?

[941] God, it's got this blue binding and it's, well, it's certainly not going to help you to, to think about how fortunate you are.

[942] Yeah.

[943] Is it?

[944] I mean, I guess it kind of is.

[945] It's blocking you.

[946] Well, it's blocking you from feeling fortunate.

[947] but saying at least I don't have to drink them every day is turning the right direction and heading towards how fortunate you are and if you keep taking those little those steps then soon you get to like I feel fortunate to be here right I feel fortunate I don't have to think about this bottle of water all the time that's quite nice genuine gratitude also it clears your mind you do have if you're thinking about positive things and working towards those things it clears your mind of a lot of the just the natural traps that we set for each other.

[948] Yeah, dumb nuts baggage.

[949] Those hurdles we make are tailor -made because they're made by you for you.

[950] Right, right.

[951] How could they not work?

[952] Yeah, they highlight your actual real insecurities and fears that you know you have.

[953] Absolutely.

[954] And you go, this is sure to trap someone because look, and then you're in it.

[955] Yeah.

[956] Because you made it for you.

[957] It's like, yeah, to me, it's trap me. And I think what I like about what I heard her saying is that because it came from no context whatsoever, and I just heard the words.

[958] It said, can you get out of your own way?

[959] Yeah.

[960] That's what I would like you to think about first.

[961] What is that?

[962] There's an ancient tale, a tale of two wolves, meaning how to live your life, that, like, you, the one wolf is filled with fear.

[963] How does that go?

[964] My mother just gave it to my kids.

[965] Really?

[966] How's it go?

[967] It's paraphrasing.

[968] You know, she bought this framed thing.

[969] like, you know, there are two wolves, and one is anger and one is, like, love and, and, and, and, um, they both exist, but ultimately it's like, which one are you going to feed?

[970] Yeah.

[971] It's, it's really the, I think I'm correct in saying the ultimate goal is, yeah, you're paraphrasing, but it's something like that.

[972] It's the one, the one that survives and succeeds is the one you feed.

[973] Well, I think the younger, you know, Native American says, well, how, do I how do I know which one how do I not let one take over and it's like well which one are going to feed ultimately right yeah yeah well the more you concentrate on positive things and the less you concentrate on negative things for sure you're freeing your mind up and you're you you gain the momentum of positive thought and the momentum of of living your life with positive thought it becomes easier to do right and the reward you to do I think but I think it's also necessary to say I'm not talking about walking around in colopsia like going ha ha ha ha it's just uh um like smile smile yeah you know what i mean being nice and in action you're talking about this you're not talking about this like in some sort of a random well it starts with a thought it works into an idea and then manifest itself into like a smile or just it's nice to do something nice and also understand that i'm not talking about walking around like hi yeah you know like i'm not talking about being some goof tits dumb nuts motherfucker that's what i'm saying is um do something do something nice and start that way yeah and leave it at that and i think there's something to when your when your thoughts are filled with this there's just frankly less room for me to think about this water which i dislike right just there's just frankly there's less real estate right you're using your real estate and positive things yeah and and And because of the contagion of enjoying it, because things that are positive are essentially what, things I like.

[974] Yeah.

[975] I'm enjoying being here.

[976] So this water doesn't really, I don't have real estate for that.

[977] Right.

[978] I've got too much enjoyment to be here, you know.

[979] And that'll do.

[980] Now this Esther Hicks thing, how did you get into this?

[981] Completely by accident or not.

[982] meaning um you know i uh the just sometimes things just slam down on the table and say you've got to be engaged this at the moment to do do it or not right and nothing incites a change like that that's it's sort of a gift actually it's saying it's struggle now but if you struggle through this it's going to get better you know and i love i i i i'm out actually really thankful and appreciative of that sort of moment.

[983] I don't mind the risk of all that.

[984] That's what it's all about.

[985] How'd you stumble upon it, though?

[986] I just was like looking for, like, looking for through the law of attraction and finding a way to change my thoughts to things I loved.

[987] And I listened to a couple.

[988] I was driving and it just clicked on to her.

[989] Is it auto played?

[990] And there it was.

[991] And as I said, without any sort of judgment, and I'm the last person that's kind of a joiner or would be accused of being hippie -dippies or whatever like kind of like someone who's scared would say you know what I mean so it just made sense to me almost the calculus of it all it's a complex problem but get out of your own way keep it simple listen but she goes further than that right she she actually talks about your your thoughts manifesting reality and she talks about how what you're doing with your thoughts and the way you think and the way you sort of interface with reality is you're creating reality with your mind right um right and and i'm choosing um how i want to take that and have that mean something to me so you're finding an application for that in your life and also i'm within the within the spectrum of all the things she's talking about i simply am looking for ways to, in my immediate life with the people that are close to me, how to be more engaged and how to be more engaging myself.

[992] Because as I said, I've had a lot of troubled times in the last few years because of just feeling lost and not knowing how to deal with that.

[993] And you always put that in your music.

[994] But maybe I should be putting it into more than just that too.

[995] It doesn't negate wanting your music to be true.

[996] right that's what it's for but also it should be inspiring to do point that in other directions too are you bringing this to the band like if you said hey guys listen to this channel here lady no no no because i mean i'm surprised i'm sort of revealing it here it's like it's um because i'm not a disciple of anything yeah but it listen i don't think there's anything wrong with it honestly because i mean i've listened to it too i've let my buddy mine was really into it and he turned me onto it and i listened to it and i said okay there's a lot of wacky shit going on here It's like, I think she's channeling a thousand -year -old person, something like that.

[997] Yeah, Gary.

[998] But whatever, Abraham, right?

[999] Isn't that?

[1000] Like, I think she's supposedly channeling some ancient person.

[1001] Absolutely.

[1002] Yeah.

[1003] But forget all that.

[1004] The words she's saying resonate.

[1005] And they're also sort of like consistent across this thing.

[1006] And as I said before, I'm mining in a specific vein of like, okay, the people I care about most.

[1007] How do we all grow right at each other?

[1008] and how do we do that right because that is the goal the goal is to to be alone and it's also whether it's wacky or not look there's a lot of wacky shit in religion but obviously a lot of people find some great meaning in it you can this I don't know how much there's the world is weird and complicated yeah absolutely you can get real wisdom from shit that sounds like nonsense well if you reserve the right to be surprised by life if you really if you um to have an open mind you certainly have to unlock the door and open that fucker that's a great way of looking at it reserved the right to be surprised by life that that is my goal in general and life and also now it's my it's my mission because it's a bit like when i used to like mess around with you know illegals like the legal sub things that like that you yeah oh i suppose those are in there too yeah what did you mean though you said illegals i meant i meant that wrapped up other stuff so I didn't have to just say that.

[1009] Oh, but then I think I just gave that away.

[1010] Okay.

[1011] Now, um, those things, those things are sort of like, I tried all that for too long.

[1012] Mm -hmm.

[1013] And that didn't really go anywhere.

[1014] So what else is there?

[1015] What else is going on?

[1016] Right.

[1017] So you tried drugs and then you're like, well, there's got to be something else that's going to fill this void or give me some peace or...

[1018] Yeah, or like, um, I certainly can't stand here.

[1019] You're either growing or dying.

[1020] Right.

[1021] And since I'm less interested in dying and I'm like, what else what else we got I mean I think for a while was you know my next thing is well it doesn't matter I think what's important is when you said are you bringing this to the guys in the band I was just about to say yes until you said are you telling her about this lady because to me you're bringing the lessons that you learn yeah I'm like oh my God because I think I've always looked at music this way where it's like locks there have these concentric circles and at one point they all line up and you can see through the door to the other side and once you've seen it you can't unsee that if i if i have a song and we have to and those concentric circles line up it almost feels painful or criminal not to go to the other side when you know it gets so much better there right and and uh i feel like what i've been kind of learning is i also should apply the same understanding to the people i care about You know, like, if there's a way for us to have something more meaningful, that's all that being meaningful is.

[1022] Like, money is green paper.

[1023] You know, these are, like, it's fun to have, collect things, but who cares?

[1024] It's the relationships you have.

[1025] And, you know, when you have kids and stuff, it's like having, enjoying that shit, even when it's rough, that's the thing to get good at it.

[1026] You know what I mean?

[1027] You'll have plenty of time to dial alone as you were, you know, later.

[1028] Yeah.

[1029] You know what I mean?

[1030] And so I feel like that's what I'm kind of getting from that, from what she's saying.

[1031] And so it's, that works just fine.

[1032] Yeah.

[1033] Well, if it works, if it works, use it, right?

[1034] It's not exclusively that either, you know?

[1035] It's just like.

[1036] It's a tool.

[1037] Yeah, it's one of the tools that I would use in every situation is situational.

[1038] and so I feel like what's great is to have a bunch of tools and not pretend to know I was want I mean I try to ask this to as many musicians as possible but how do you guys create music do you write stuff out and then come to the band do some of the guys bring their own ideas for a beat or for a concept well you know I like the randomness of it all and again I love collaboration I've never done anything just me all by myself.

[1039] There are times when you make a request of people you play with, we're like, I hear all of this.

[1040] Can we just try that first?

[1041] And I like to do that when someone says that in return.

[1042] If they're like, sometimes you hear everything all at once.

[1043] And that is a gift.

[1044] And you kind of don't want to mess with that.

[1045] You want to at least start from that point.

[1046] Because if someone does have an idea, at least they're starting from understanding where this how this is and their so their idea if they have one is rooted in this instead of being kind of arbitrary you know does that make sense and then so but it's great to hear that and also be asked to kind of be a soldier sometimes sure I'll play boom boom boom boom right because I'd love to hear that all these puzzle pieces together right right right but also respect their their idea their vision whatever it is you're just trying to help them realize it yeah sometimes sometimes it's like that and sometimes I'm requesting that and there's a way to communicate that that sounds exciting and you should because it's a shame to be misunderstood in that moment when really what you're saying is oh my God I have this idea can we try it just like this for a start and once you're emerged in this understanding your ideas to better it will be based in understanding this you guys are very unique in that you don't sound like anybody else but that's the point it is the point that in fact in fact I always looked at that like well that's the minimum obligation right is to not it's to not you know that sound like other folks yeah the men without hats too you know it's like what's the point you already have that if they want to i love that song it's a great song yeah it's great because it's sort of a challenge yeah you can leave your friends behind yeah you're like what the fuck why would it if they don't dance to no friends of mine yeah like sort of like drawing a dance line in the sand you know it's a great song it is but i but also there's there's those are the kind of two ends of the spectrum right hearing hearing someone's honestly and do and and explaining yours honestly and asking for help to to do that well you're all your stuff is not just unique it's unique in itself like your songs are different each song is different than the other song there's like you don't there's not like a queen's the stone age sound well i think there's a band called ween that i love so much and early on my first band caius that was trying to sound like itself itself but singularly um and i was feeling painted in a corner a little bit by the fact that it had to be in this mode and um we toured with this band wean because who would play anything do you you know who they aren't sure yeah yeah they're so brilliant and they'd play a mr would you please help my pony where you're like what what the fuck is that about and then they'd play riders on the storm for 28 minutes and it was fucking incredible and they'd never sound checked it.

[1047] You're like, you just know this?

[1048] And what they were was free.

[1049] And then they did a country record with all these professional hired gun country.

[1050] And it sounded incredible because they were like, because we can do that.

[1051] Why can't we?

[1052] That manifesting what you love, period.

[1053] And so I just, from being around them and seeing things like that and then starting this Desert Sessions project, which is what I just put out recently, where it's just collaboration and it could be anything because it's not all you but yet it's you and so it was that's how Queen started was like what if you just played anything you thought was good no matter what it was and you let every song I had a friend of mine once say to me you know not every song can be your best and I just looked at him and I was like why what is that why is that I don't even know why that has to be a possibility Why not?

[1054] What if you, if you see through those spinning locks through to the other side and a song could go there, you should take it there, right?

[1055] I mean, that's what we're supposed to do.

[1056] Yeah.

[1057] And it's a weird pessimistic attitude, isn't it?

[1058] Like, not every song can be your best.

[1059] And it was like, oh, I see you're talking about, are you talking about yours?

[1060] Talking about yours.

[1061] Yeah, I see.

[1062] Do you remember how when before the internet, like, there was a lot of bands that would put out like a few hits on an album, but then the rest of the album would almost feel like filler.

[1063] I, again, that's another thing where I, it seemed to me at one point in the, the, my hope was that, okay, in the spirit of trying to do something different, I call it unsupply on demand.

[1064] You know it's out there because it's out there.

[1065] What's not out there that would be interesting to hear?

[1066] Tell me what you don't think we need, and let's start there, right?

[1067] For just trying to fill in the gaps and beautifully fill in the gaps of what's not represented.

[1068] and and thereby having this limitless ability to play whatever you thought was right in the moment as long as it was honest, then you'd be fine, you know?

[1069] And so that's always been, I just, I feel like it would be fun to try that.

[1070] So that's why it so jumps around stylistically.

[1071] But I do think people listen to whatever they think is good and they don't care about genre.

[1072] Unless you're a teenager, when that's important to you or that certainly was to me. Why is genre important?

[1073] That seems like if you work at a record store, it's important because you're filing these under, like, you know, nose flute in the key of F. Yeah, I don't give a fuck about genre.

[1074] I give a fuck about good.

[1075] I mean, I listen to country.

[1076] You have a taste vein.

[1077] And if something runs over it with its truck tire, you go, hey, fuck, I'm in.

[1078] I love to lick that again.

[1079] Well, I just, it's, you know, I like a song where you can tell the band made something that they like.

[1080] Yeah.

[1081] You know what I mean?

[1082] Well, this is another thing early on when we left the desert in my first band, Caius, and we were so proud.

[1083] Like, we knew we sounded different, and we thought, this is cool.

[1084] And so you make records you love, and you listen to them all the time because it's like, you're supposed to make your favorite music.

[1085] I mean, I was 15 years old.

[1086] What else was I supposed to make?

[1087] I can't wait to make the music I hate the most.

[1088] It doesn't make sense.

[1089] Right.

[1090] I just want to do weddings.

[1091] So you tour with these bands, you're like, do you guys listen to your records?

[1092] because we would be in the car on tour listening to our records and then play our records and they'd be like fucking hate that thing and I'd be like no I said do you listen to your own music like I couldn't understand what's wrong with playing your favorite thing you always wanted to play but it's not out there so you create it it seems like that's the job actually and how can you love my stuff if I don't right right what are the fucking chances like zero point zeros well it would be such a prison imagine if you created a genre that was super popular and people really loved it but you fucking hated it I did my first band there's this really wonderful thing happened the fans took over and they own it because we stopped and so they took it over the fans kept it alive and some people gave it a name stoner rock but to me a stoner rock was like Aussie when I was a kid like the Aussie baseball shirts I wanted to be a punk rocker and it's like don't stoner's over there you know so stoner rock I was like no no and plus I don't want to wear that I can appreciate anything that I like so we don't need to call it anything because I'll just like whatever I like right right you could call a jazz rabbit that's a style of music and be like fucking fantastic but I just like what I like in that anyways yeah it's just a noise you're making to define it.

[1093] It's Charlie Brown's teacher.

[1094] Oh, I love that style, actually.

[1095] It's like, who care?

[1096] Right.

[1097] Like, I like what I like.

[1098] And, you know, you get flack for that stuff for not, like, no, sit here, wear this.

[1099] And I understand, too, because it's good to feel part of something.

[1100] When you say you get flack for it, how much do you pay attention to criticism?

[1101] Zero.

[1102] Good for you.

[1103] I don't, I haven't read about myself in.

[1104] Over a decade.

[1105] That's amazing.

[1106] Way to go.

[1107] Well, the first time I did, I remember when I got a computer and I was like, oh, I mean, you can, sometimes I feel like such a dumb nuts.

[1108] Like I'm like, oh, you can talk to someone and like who's like into your tunes.

[1109] It's like I. And I did.

[1110] And, you know, sometimes people like to bond over what they don't like.

[1111] And like, and also they like to pretend, it makes them feel better to pretend they have intimate knowledge of you, Joe Rogan.

[1112] Well, the thing about Joe is, you see.

[1113] Yeah, what he does.

[1114] And it's got to be negative.

[1115] Always.

[1116] Oh, because it suggests that we're close enough to, I know his secrets.

[1117] You know, it puts on a good face for you, but I know his fucking Joe's secrets, man. So the thing about Joe is, and it's, it's a, it's, that's kind of an insecurity.

[1118] And so when I went on, I was like, oh, no, no, actually I'm doing this.

[1119] And they said, you're not the real, and I just let it be known.

[1120] Yes, I fucking am.

[1121] and then all of a sudden it was like, hey Josh, I thought, oh my God, this is, what am I going to do?

[1122] Go door to door and correct people's perception.

[1123] Actually, what happened in 1742 is it's a waste of my time.

[1124] Well, we can see some people who don't have like a wise sort of perspective on the internet getting wrapped up and doing just that.

[1125] Because they see them responding to criticism and going after people and you know what?

[1126] It's because they don't want to be blamed.

[1127] They don't want to be misunderstood.

[1128] I totally understand.

[1129] I understand.

[1130] My wife has been one of my biggest inspirations ever.

[1131] And like that thing that I really learned from her is like, you can't blame.

[1132] When you blame someone, it's like saying to them, when you point the finger, it's like saying, you're guilty before you even have a chance to talk.

[1133] and say your perspective what that's nobody likes that you know what I mean nobody wants to like start by being blamed for something it makes you shut off immediately and now you have these disengaged people blaming each other and being mean to each other and again if we're talking about doing what you like I don't like that and I also have friends I really love that engage in that quite a bit and it's a try to like look at that and say ooh I don't I don't want that I love my music and I try to make it as real as I can and I try to make it as different as I can and I accept if you don't like it but if you have a vinyl or if you have a CD still I love it and if you don't it's still a hell of a coaster right it's not bad you know I mean could be a worse coaster the art looks cool you know I need to be okay with that and accept that shit because otherwise what i'm please like it well you're also you're not looking at that review right that reviewer is wrong you're dealing with unmanageable numbers too right because you'd be interacting with literally thousands of people every day and trying to correct them and then once people find out that all they have to do to get your attention is to be negative then i've had moments of that before because um i really have always cared about fairness and justice but especially in the last bunch of years, you know, it's like, I have to be okay with what I did for me. And people don't really know what the fuck they're talking about and what really goes on.

[1134] But if my expectation is that I'm going to take everyone to a spot where, like, this is what actually happened.

[1135] Right.

[1136] I'll be sad and disappointed.

[1137] You're also engaging people that don't want you to be a good guy.

[1138] So they want to go, fuck you.

[1139] You just want us to think.

[1140] that of course yeah of course and um and i'm actually kind of investing time and energy into like no but yeah but no right i mean you're investing time and energy also into your persona or your public perception of you i don't have a persona i've had many times where because of being um like uh like feeling strange about things or angry about things or this i i take them out on stage some sometimes because I grew up watching bands like and Iggy and all the stuff where sometimes you go see a band and it's scary and it's wonderful to be scared by it.

[1141] This music is like, whoa!

[1142] And everything that comes with it, it's so fucking real.

[1143] Look out.

[1144] It can actually drive you backwards.

[1145] That's exhilarating.

[1146] And also on stage, that's the place for that.

[1147] Yeah.

[1148] Out in real life doing that like while you're at the ATM, not so much.

[1149] You know what I mean?

[1150] Yeah.

[1151] But to cut your tethers loose and go, I don't know.

[1152] know what i'm going to do tonight which i have done many times and walked out there but i will embody the emotion that i'm uh feeling right now and and and you can go ahead and take that shit to the ATM and deposit that because that's what's going to happen the problem is is if you're not doing well then that's how that yeah you're going to feel that when you get out there but it is supposed to well um i'm willing to do anything up there and i don't know why because i feel like that's the place that's why because that's the place for it it's that's the art of it well it's also what you said that you enjoy the randomness of it yeah i mean i think that you're we can talk about manifesting if you go up there with that spirit that enjoying the randomness of it then sometimes the spirit will move you in a direction that you didn't even expect well yeah um yeah because um you feel one with your actions so in the now you have no choice right and and i'll preparation all it's too late it's already done the preparation is over it's like a fight that like you're not going to learn anything extra until it's over you have to be in the moment there and I enjoy that because I enjoy that it's too late I love insurmountable odds that's all I need to do something is tell me like there's no way you're going to make it and be like that sounds great why do we have to worry we're not going to make it you know what I mean there's something too that and um but i also realize like how um i guess the manifestation aspect of this has gotten important to me again because it's what i did in the beginning and as i you know have these moments of being lost and feeling like i don't understand what's going on and wondering why when really it's because of me you know that um that the best thing i can do that that's the best thing i can do that that that's why the records have gotten so dark because that's all I'm seeing and it has to be real so it is real dark you know but there's a beauty in that too but I don't want to make shit my new normal my dad's always like don't get accustomed to shit you know because it's like once you get used to that you're like this this is life this is normal right is everyone cool and and people end up people you love end up going no it's not you know And you go, wait a minute, but I'm so used to it.

[1153] I thought you were going to hop in this jacuzzi with me. The time of water is great.

[1154] It's shit, shit water.

[1155] And so I'm really like, I'm so thankful to have, like, a great group of a family of artists that I get to collaborate with.

[1156] And, like, some great kids, I got three of them.

[1157] Every time I go in a room, there's another one of them in there.

[1158] You know, there's so many fucking kids.

[1159] and my wife who like really has the courage to help has had the courage her whole life to like go that's it's time to go you know it's time to do this like you know someone that um someone that has really inspired me to have a partnership like that is fucking rad yeah you know I mean, talking about someone that has had a really rough beginning, but never blamed, doesn't spend pointing the finger and blaming because shit goes nowhere.

[1160] Some of the most interesting people in the world are the ones who had a rough beginning.

[1161] Yeah, because of the character coping mechanisms.

[1162] The pinballing off awful and getting to wonderful.

[1163] Yeah.

[1164] They develop strength.

[1165] Yeah.

[1166] Well, and that's the other thing is the strength, the strength to go right now.

[1167] And that strength is so inspiring for me. It gives me strength through her, you know.

[1168] Yeah, that's beautiful.

[1169] One of the things that I always like to talk to people that are famous about, because it's just that word, you're famous.

[1170] I don't know if you know, you're famous.

[1171] It's a weird thing, right?

[1172] Being famous is a strange thing.

[1173] Like, no one teaches you how to handle that.

[1174] No one teaches you what to do with that.

[1175] And no advice will help.

[1176] No advice.

[1177] No, because your experience is so.

[1178] unique yeah yeah and there's uh it's it's a very difficult waters yeah do you do enjoy that notoriety part of it at all fucking weird it's weird i find it i find it very difficult it's hard to swim yeah it's hard to stay in the lane you um um and um you know i think of the king of comedy i was like you know that movie genera yeah yeah where it's like um jerry lewis is walking and he says my son loves you can i get an autograph and he says i'm in her and she goes i hope you get cancer yeah like it's it's unusual to deal with that twist yes yes and also um so much of the way i was raised to be private and things like that are looked at as like a diss now or like if someone says something bad about you if you don't say something back you're a pussy yeah well or that like when you don't people by not you're you're not um you don't score any points by not defending yourself to the hilt in front of everybody but I just wasn't raised that way I was raised to be like that's what I mean well there's also an issue in this day and age like if you defend yourself against every single piece of criticism you'll be lost you will not ever have a life you do there's numbers again unmanageable when they know that you'll engage yes you manifest them to come back for more I mean this is the epitome of of what we're talking about here and and being able to recognize that just that have that understanding of where it clicks and you go i can't focus on those things right like i have a beautiful daughter and two boys um i have a uh a strong lovely wife who's an incredible artist i have this family of people um how about them instead you know what i mean right and not fucking gary who lives in gary and you know what i mean yeah it's just gary on gary crime out there you know Yeah, yeah.

[1179] It's a weird lesson to learn, too, that in this day and age, this world is very different than it was 20, 30 years ago.

[1180] The access that people have to you.

[1181] But didn't you just grow up riding your bike around and be down at dinner?

[1182] Like, be back when the sun goes down.

[1183] Right.

[1184] Yeah.

[1185] And you're like, oh, you're meaning forever?

[1186] It seemed like the sun, you know, the days were so long.

[1187] And now these kids are like, I know kids that would prefer to play a basketball game than go outside and.

[1188] play a basketball game and I was think I was think uh I think I think I think you fucked up I think it's supposed to be the other way around the video game is supposed to be not as interesting and then you look at like the commercial like we're bringing people together synergy you know and like all the shit where you're like fuck you face well they're trying to sell bringing people together but yeah exactly I think it's the entire world like one net I have three kids as well and it's insanely hard I think to be a child today I I think to be a young adult today, too, I mean, the pressures that people have is a book Jonathan Haight wrote called The Coddling of the American Mind that discusses the issue that kids are having today with cell phones and depression and because of social media use and that, especially girls, so many girls are cutting themselves and self -harm, suicides way up.

[1189] Dude.

[1190] And there's a direct correlation between the invention of the smartphone and social media and all these things take place.

[1191] Such a dick move to call it a smartphone too.

[1192] It is a dick move.

[1193] Because it's presupposing if you disagree, you must be some kind of dumb nuts.

[1194] That's so true.

[1195] I'm sorry, tell me why you don't like a smartphone.

[1196] Right, that's so true.

[1197] Well, I, uh, yeah, well, I know a lot of smart people that have switched over.

[1198] I noticed you have this shit in here.

[1199] Oh, yeah, fuck yeah.

[1200] Is that okay?

[1201] Yeah, because I'm starting a little neck fit here.

[1202] No worries, man. We got a little filtration system.

[1203] We can kick in a little...

[1204] I went to school with filtration.

[1205] Nice guy.

[1206] Have you tried to, at all the...

[1207] kick those things?

[1208] I did, but every time I have like some type terrible event, I guess I get my excuse back.

[1209] Right.

[1210] Yeah, it gives you something.

[1211] Come on, I'm always your friend.

[1212] Well, it's, John, come get a hug.

[1213] I'm the only thing that will hurt you later.

[1214] Not later.

[1215] Who's, what is later?

[1216] Is that even real, man?

[1217] It's taking two minutes off your life.

[1218] Those are the end ones.

[1219] Those ones suck.

[1220] Come on, bro.

[1221] Now.

[1222] Camel.

[1223] Ride the camel.

[1224] Well, and also, it blows my mind that someone goes to work at Philip Morris and has a good parking spot and like it's the birds are singing and they're like oh hey Sheila hey Gary and they go in they're like want to talk to you about this high school campaign in Burma for sickies like are you fucking it's sort of it's sort of akin to like one day I had this thought which many people have had before me and many after but realizing it myself that there's these brilliant minds that make these machines and craft the whole thing and put a button that a moron can touch and then it goes boom nuclear bomb goes off who's the moron now you made all that shit and then you made it easy for this mouth breather to touch button it should have been complex calculus involved in pressing the button certainly the macarena would have to be like face activated to do it so that you kind of look like a dick right if you want to sure if you want to blow this thing up, you got to kind of embarrass yourself.

[1225] You know what I mean?

[1226] That's a great idea, actually.

[1227] That's actually a very good idea.

[1228] Well, a friend of mine sold a really killer house recently.

[1229] She's a real estate agent.

[1230] She sold this really killer house to this guy who's in the tobacco industry.

[1231] And we were talking about it.

[1232] I was like, wow, that kind of fucking murdering people.

[1233] I mean, he's kind of...

[1234] Just like, see you kids later.

[1235] Buying a badass house and slowly taking away people's health but I'm in favor of people being able to do it I mean in both sides sell it and buy it that's what's so strange is is that I I somehow there's something inside me that um hates rules so much because before we wrote rules down there was the sort of organic rules of like you know living with people uh -huh once there's more than a few huts people are like all right no yelling after two in the morning do we all want that and no no one fucks Gary he's eight you know what i mean don't fuck gary yeah and and then as more people come those rules organically change and the old ones fade away but for me today it's like don't walk on the grass it's like really the best part of this area what do you think grass is for gary you um don't walk in the grass is one of the dumbest things you could say or or yeah it's like talking about man like i don't get it and also you don't care you know i so many times you see somebody and they're guarding a doorway no one will ever go in or out of anyways and they're just sitting there and that's when i'm like do you want a water do you want like a do you want a dr pepper that shit is great do uh what do you want and because i think you don't care about this door i don't either you know what's the somebody does and it's worth ten dollars an hour right someone does that's never there that's why they care about it because they don't know shit about that door sometimes you know and so i i i abhor things that make no sense like that i'll tell you an example of many times you know you record late into the night and you come to at three in the morning you in the streets of the valley you come to a stoplight and there's nobody coming in any direction and then you're looking at the light red there's no one i just go after i know it's safe because the function for this thing is now gone right What am I supposed to listen?

[1236] I'm born to listen to the color reds commands.

[1237] I know, but then there might be like some fucking cop hiding.

[1238] There has been.

[1239] I've been pulled over for it four times.

[1240] Really?

[1241] Yeah.

[1242] What do you say?

[1243] Well, I said the same thing.

[1244] We're just two guys in the middle of the night who want to go home.

[1245] It was safe to go.

[1246] I shouldn't have went and I won't do it again.

[1247] The cop let you go?

[1248] Every time.

[1249] Wow.

[1250] And plus he had to go through it to catch, to even catch up to me. Right.

[1251] You know what I mean?

[1252] What are we doing here?

[1253] You know you don't.

[1254] care.

[1255] I don't care.

[1256] I just was trying to go.

[1257] I just want to go home.

[1258] Right.

[1259] And I won't.

[1260] I'm sorry.

[1261] You're a line stepper, Josh.

[1262] You're smoking cigarettes.

[1263] You're a rebel.

[1264] Your gold tooth and your fucking tattoos and your knuckles.

[1265] You're goddamn line stepper.

[1266] You should talk.

[1267] I know.

[1268] Takes one to no one, sir.

[1269] I understand line steppers.

[1270] But I also understand that we can coexist and be really wonderful to each other and omit.

[1271] something that we both agree is if we both say it's stupid yeah and we still do it what what do we do the line is better right exactly aren't you sort of in a minimum style obliged to even consider stepping out yeah we need less rules what if it wasn't a line at all and it just like a piece of wood was laying there and then someone picked it up and someone was like is that a line what if you're accidentally in a in a in a line that has no business being formed you know it's like i don't I think you owe it to yourself to at least take the minute and check that out.

[1272] If they came out with cancerless cigarettes that were real similar, they were just like right next to a, like almost indistinct, like that meatless burger.

[1273] I haven't had one of those.

[1274] Have you had one those, Jamie?

[1275] Holy shit, man. Have you had one?

[1276] Tacos with it, yeah.

[1277] You haven't had an impossible?

[1278] No. How is it?

[1279] It's probable.

[1280] It's so good.

[1281] Really?

[1282] Oh, my fucking God.

[1283] It's so good.

[1284] So it tastes like a burger?

[1285] who cares it tastes real good whatever it is it's good like I always thought the dumbest thing is fake bacon because you're like there's no you have no chance and you should just call it like yeah lacon or like or Lincoln or something else like away from bacon like it can just be its own thing right you don't have to be like it's fake bacon don't let bacon hear you but we're close bacon's like heard that no you're not you know they haven't figured that out yet but they have figured out burgers yes that impossible sausage I just horked that down Like it's the Yeah What about an impossible cigarette?

[1286] I never even bite it I just Can they have an impossible cigarette If they did though My thought was People would still Like if they were really stressed out They would want the real thing Because part of what they want Is that fuck you I'm just gonna fucking smoke a cigarette You know that's part of it It's kind of like the chock It's like chocolate in its own way It's like a grosser chocolate I suppose But it's that The thing you're doing you know is bad but you're doing it and part of you doing it's like there's an acceptance well i blame matt dillon for my case really ultimately yeah over the edge you know the outsiders uh rumblefish stay gold pony boy it's like uh like young tufts yeah you know like um whatever happened to that guy matt dillon he's still does all kinds of shit i haven't seen him in anything you're not looking i'm not looking there he is look at him looks so fucking cool dude dude you're You don't want to fucking do that shit when you're like, I was like a 12 years old, 11 years old.

[1287] Yeah, hanging out of his mouth looks so cool.

[1288] I'm 11 and I'm like, what's cool?

[1289] That, well, that shit is pretty cool.

[1290] Pretty fucking cool.

[1291] Yeah.

[1292] Look at him.

[1293] Cigarette, motorcycle jacket, big smile, beautiful face.

[1294] Whoa.

[1295] Oh, I thought you're talking about Matt Tiller or me?

[1296] Both of you.

[1297] But him on the screen, you right here.

[1298] I'm just kidding.

[1299] Yeah.

[1300] I mean, it's, um.

[1301] No. Cigrates are a weird one, though, right?

[1302] There, but they should be, I think they should be available.

[1303] A hundred percent.

[1304] Just like I think whiskey should be available.

[1305] Just like I think pot should.

[1306] I mean, I put a post on Instagram today because Joe Biden wants, he thinks that pot's a gateway drug and he wants to keep it illegal.

[1307] Spoken like someone that doesn't ever smoke pot.

[1308] Yeah.

[1309] And also, you know what it's a gateway to?

[1310] It's a gateway to like Doritos dust on your chest.

[1311] Yeah.

[1312] Well, there's people that say it's a gateway for them.

[1313] But I guess if you are the person who does meth because you smoke pot, you are probably going to do meth anyway.

[1314] You probably needed meth in your life.

[1315] Well, I certainly think that that at the end of the day, if they took that money and then put it into less fearful things that work, like talking about what drugs do and like what you might be masking by taking them.

[1316] Yes.

[1317] Having an honest dialogue.

[1318] Everything seems like a dishonest dialogue.

[1319] Like we're going to go to it.

[1320] We're going to have a war on terror.

[1321] We're going to have a war on drugs.

[1322] We're going to have a war on this and it's like can we start with a talk about it first no I have to go right to war you ever listen to Gabor Mante I think that's how he say his name he's a doctor who uh speaks about drugs and addiction and his take on it is at all addiction almost all of it the origin of it is trauma for sure yeah childhood trauma abuse things that have happened to you that were terrible yeah and that led to you trying to escape through addiction making a damn because you think that'll stop whatever the river of pain that you should just be walking along as it's a trickle and walking through.

[1323] And this is the current state of the art or the state of the science and the studies in terms of like psychologists and people that do counseling that understand human beings that have addiction problems.

[1324] So that's one of the more offensive things about someone like Joe Biden running for president saying that.

[1325] It's like, no, you haven't even done the work.

[1326] That's a photo op moment.

[1327] Exactly.

[1328] Yeah, and in fact, because I've had so much experience with various things, I got more knowledge about it than he does.

[1329] Of course.

[1330] Because I've been through it.

[1331] Yeah.

[1332] And I understand why I would do those things.

[1333] And I understand how, essentially, it's just a Band -Aid over an amputee wound.

[1334] Yeah.

[1335] And what's really more important is to, like, be vulnerable enough to engage somebody.

[1336] You know, that word vulnerable, I was reading this book, it's called Darren Greatly by Brunei Brommer or something.

[1337] Like, it's really wonderful.

[1338] And it even went in the etymology of vulnerable, the word vulnerable, which is a place that's lacking armor.

[1339] And identifying that is a strength because you know where that spot is.

[1340] And that weakness is identifying that spot and doing nothing.

[1341] And so they're almost this each a lens of the same situation, but just going in opposite directions.

[1342] vulnerability is the opposite of weakness and I think you have to take a chance on people and you have to take a chance on yourself and not just be like they're bad as if they themselves it's sort of like I blame the devil for the things I do it wasn't me it was the death you know how can you stand over a mushroom on the ground and be like you're illegal what is that what is it yeah if you say you saw me do that alone and point at a mushroom and you were like 40 feet away.

[1343] Like you would go, the fuck?

[1344] It's going on over there.

[1345] You're illegal.

[1346] I want these picked and taken to my house immediately.

[1347] Well, what's crazy is Paul Stammitts, who was on my podcast last week.

[1348] He's a mycologist.

[1349] He's a mushroom specialist.

[1350] And one of things that he talked about was this one particular area in the Pacific Northwest where psilocybin mushrooms grow.

[1351] And cops literally wait there.

[1352] People go to pick them.

[1353] And then they search to people and pat them down and take them.

[1354] mushrooms from them and arrest them.

[1355] What a dumb game.

[1356] Plucked something out of the ground.

[1357] Look at our numbers.

[1358] Like what a weird service.

[1359] So fucking stupid.

[1360] Go for mushrooms.

[1361] We'll take you to jail for free.

[1362] It's like hilarious is calling yourself an officer of the peace and doing that.

[1363] Piece of what?

[1364] Piece of the action.

[1365] Yeah.

[1366] I mean, there's so much peace growing out of the ground there.

[1367] Well, you're actually arresting people for seeking peace.

[1368] I find that I don't want to ever get swept away in order to make my.

[1369] point I have to run something up the flagpole of extreme because every my the modern word I actually like a spectrum because it feels like a gas tank of a gas need like there's a blend here right that we're looking for and so on this on the subject of drugs and things like that everything gets run up the flagpole of extreme and put into the same category everything goes to full yeah yeah you know what bad is it's all of this is bad right right and even down to like be good girls and boys where you're like Like, what the fuck does that mean?

[1370] Do whatever you say?

[1371] That's bizarre.

[1372] Yeah, that's not good.

[1373] Well, and why?

[1374] Because you're older than me?

[1375] Your parents fucked before mine did.

[1376] That's, okay.

[1377] That's a great methodology for listening to somebody.

[1378] Yeah.

[1379] You know, I'm older.

[1380] And it's like, and supposed to know more.

[1381] Well, we're also imprisoned by our language to a certain extent, especially with the word drug.

[1382] You know, because the whole time we've been talking, I'm on a drug.

[1383] I'm drinking this coffee, right?

[1384] So this is caffeine.

[1385] And, you know, you've got your drug.

[1386] there you're smoking cigarettes that's nicotine no i don't it's not even a drug man let it go but i mean the the concept of drugs like if someone sees you with a starbucks cop they don't say oh my god look at that drug user but that's clearly a drug i mean caffeine affects you there's a reason why they sell venty because people didn't get jacked up enough on a tall a jolt cola yeah remember that shit oh yeah it's still here do you remember redline remember that stuff no that's redline was a thing that people was to it was like a workout drink but people were dropping dead of it it's like it's who it was what a great name though it was a red line yeah well you were fucking riddley get the flat line you're hitting that 8000 r p m but it's uh it's i think is more than one serving one of those little fucking cans too and nobody reads that shit of course not four servings per can you're like what what am i taking a sip and passing around to my friends i love that fuck out of here i love that that would be a necessity for a good workout though oh well it'll help yeah yeah there's some shit that used to be able to buy that i don't think you could buying anymore called ripped fuel i remember one time i took it and went to jujitsu class and almost had a fucking heart attack i had to pull over to the side i had to sit on the side of the map i'm like dude my heart is pounded on my fucking chest right now i i you know um i remember it's funny because um those types of um supplements you know people keep getting caught with tainted things and you go how really is who's making these yeah you know is that mean there's also like yak hair in there too on accident or what well what it is is um a lot of it is coming out of places like china where uh we had an issue with that with my company on it where we were selling we sell this thing called uh alpha brain which is a cognitive enhancing neutropic it's a bunch of vitamins and nutrients that enhance the way your memory functions and we got it tested by a third party and found a bunch of stuff that was in there it's not supposed to be in there because and this is like like just random lunch meet no extra vitamins and shit but What it is is these companies that create these vats.

[1387] You say if you have a supplement company.

[1388] So they're all in the same bowl.

[1389] Yeah, exactly.

[1390] They don't clean the bowl out.

[1391] Yeah.

[1392] That's really what it is.

[1393] That's where a lot of these athletes get caught with, like, trace amounts of steroids, and it's just from a tainted supplement.

[1394] You really got to clean your bowls.

[1395] You got to clean those bowls.

[1396] I mean, I don't know how it works.

[1397] I don't know how they clean them, but it happens.

[1398] Apparently, no. Yeah.

[1399] In some countries, in some companies, some shitty companies that sell a lot of, You know, they'll have steroids in it or Viagra in it or a bunch of other stuff.

[1400] Yeah.

[1401] You buy on vitamins, you get bones.

[1402] How are they cleaning that?

[1403] It's like they just have paid two guys to just blow into the thing?

[1404] Yeah, I don't know.

[1405] When it's empty, it's empty.

[1406] I mean, sometimes maybe they don't clean it at all.

[1407] They just dump it out, dump out what's in there, and then pour the next thing, and they don't give a fuck.

[1408] Well, I think, you know, really this whole conversation is very connected.

[1409] It's about the intention and engaging and realizing and realizing there are no corners to cut that there are you know every mountain has a valley next to it that's the way it was formed that's the way it is your deficiency wherever that is it is almost like a flag your talent is right next to it and perhaps that's a really good way to put it for kids do for a kid that can't pay attention in school i want to be a one i want to be a wonderfully engaged father i it's something i love and it's something that as they traverse the ages and you have to keep adapting the stuff that worked when they were five don't work no more when they're seven or six yeah when you've only had you know you know like 50 months two or three months is a big chunk of those months yeah and um i i i i think what i love about my wife too and is that we're both like how do we do this engaged in that like um that that that you're learning as they're learning.

[1410] And that that can be fun too.

[1411] Right.

[1412] Because, you know, how many times you catch yourself saying, like, getting upset about the perspective of a three -year -old.

[1413] Right.

[1414] We're like, but I'm not three.

[1415] Right.

[1416] Oh, I see why you're upset.

[1417] Because you're three, and so you think the closet actually has a monster.

[1418] Right.

[1419] Oh, well, that's cool.

[1420] Right.

[1421] Because I can get my head around that.

[1422] Yeah.

[1423] Let's talk to it.

[1424] Yeah, it's interesting.

[1425] interesting talking to a three -year -old, like, my kids aren't three anymore, but the youngest ones are nine and eleven.

[1426] And I remember when they were three, you'd have these really weird conversations like, monsters aren't real, right?

[1427] And I'm like, well, monsters aren't real in terms of like the monsters you think, but there's things that are just as scary as monsters at all, like are crocodile.

[1428] Crocodile's a real thing.

[1429] And then we would go to the internet and show crocodiles like killing a zebra, which is probably not a smart thing for a fucking adult to show a three.

[1430] year old, but I'm, I wanted to see it.

[1431] Well, you can't treat, it feels like you can't teach the abstract to someone that's not, like if you were, I love the apprentice, the guild system so much, not the show, the apprentice, I love the actual, like Cooper's barrels and stuff.

[1432] Those are things where you start by sweeping the floor, and you start by grabbing those rings over here.

[1433] All you're equipped to do is touch them right now.

[1434] Right, right, right, and slowly work your way up to be able to put a barrel together.

[1435] I'm sick of touching them.

[1436] And then you think to yourself, oh, cool, only three more weeks of that and you should be so ready to do something else that you'll pay attention to what I have to say.

[1437] Yeah.

[1438] You start with nothing and you get a little bit until you declare, I'm sick of handling this because I fucking got it.

[1439] You know, and then you go, okay, well, if you're that big for your bridges, why don't I add one more thing?

[1440] That's one of the dangers of our instant access on demand, Google this, instant answers, being able to stream this, press it any time you want.

[1441] This society is that people don't understand.

[1442] understand the value of wanting something, pursuing it, and having a long road to accomplishing it.

[1443] The gift of nothing.

[1444] Yeah.

[1445] Like where I feel really blessed to be from the desk because there wasn't a thing to do.

[1446] And when you tried to do something, the police, the local police, because they had nothing to do, we're like, probably going to drive over your skateboard.

[1447] And you'd be like, why do that?

[1448] Why?

[1449] What the fuck?

[1450] And so you plunge yourself into more esoteric locations and hobbies because of sheer fucking boredom.

[1451] Bortem is good.

[1452] Fucking amazing.

[1453] It's really good.

[1454] I mean, it's so important.

[1455] Taking the extra five minutes.

[1456] No, no. That's why I don't play basketball because I'm playing a basketball game.

[1457] It's already going on.

[1458] It's like shooting's hard.

[1459] I get a sweaty.

[1460] Well, it's also, it's like you're doing something with your body.

[1461] and your mind whereas you're sitting there just with a video game just moving your thumbs around engaging with something you're not going anywhere you're not getting out well there's something about the way those waves are which says you're in high anxiety you're in conflict you're in this you're you're doing all the thing your brain is alive your brain is doing everything that um that is associated with moving and getting in there and competition and your body it's got doritos dust on your chest and inside your belly button yeah so it's the the the absence of connection between body and mind which which when you're at your best when you're at your best isn't your body and mind one like the picture of this man who's climbing this this giant majiggy that wall yeah like um this is the this is the moment to be engaged and both body and mind because that feels good yeah you know i i reckon you just get depressed doing that playing that all the some people do some and some people love it but they do but some people because become drone pilots.

[1462] Yeah, that's true too.

[1463] And one day it dawns on them, what has occurred?

[1464] Well, they say that that's a severe source of PTSD, that a lot of those drone pilots, even though they're not physically there, a lot of them have pretty severe PTSD.

[1465] Because one day that dam breaks and you feel yourself drowning.

[1466] And they understand the connection between their actions and what was actually occurred.

[1467] And the PTSD is that you are forced to go downstream and realize, like, um the old way of me must be gone it must it must i must let that drown you know otherwise you're stuck in their loop of of of that realization that you that you wasted time building a dam as if that were the coolest thing ever yeah instead of walking along the river and going downstream and dealing with the trickle as as it should be you know hey let me ask you this about the cigarettes have you ever tried vaping i tried for a sec but um it looks stupid I mean you know what I mean like do me a faith would you bring up that picture of Jimmy Hendrix when he's vaping it doesn't exist thank God you can't could you imagine Jimmy Hendrick one of those lunchbox ones those big old fat ones with a robot dick in the end of it yeah not Jimmy no Jimmy where it looks like a pump for like you know like for pumping water out of a pool yeah yeah what is that that why are they getting those big ones what is the what's the benefit of those giant batteries i think it's just going all in and saying that like i'm doing this so i'm doing the whole thing i'm doing the most you know it's right it's like uh what i see those those motorcycle cars which are two wheels up front and one in the back right and i think like it's a bit like the segue and taking it to the lamest thing you could all the way there's almost something the segue is those things handle better than a motorcycle?

[1468] I can't handle them.

[1469] No, well, certainly they're more stable because the two wheels are up front, but I'm not riding a motorcycle for stability.

[1470] You're not, but some people are, right?

[1471] Some people, the guys who ride those high abousas and shit like that.

[1472] Well, to each his own, I don't ever want to stand in the way of my own joy, let alone someone else's.

[1473] But you like cruisers, right?

[1474] What do you got out there?

[1475] Is that a Harley?

[1476] That's my grandpa bike to, like, take my gal of the movies or dinner.

[1477] or something and just enjoy her arms about my waist, you know what I mean, and to go slow and listen to NPR on 20 or listen to...

[1478] Do you ever just drive with no music?

[1479] Of course.

[1480] Yeah, of course.

[1481] I have a Corvette, a 1965 Corvette.

[1482] No. It's got no radio in it.

[1483] It's one of the things I love about it.

[1484] Yeah.

[1485] When I drive that thing, I just drive.

[1486] That's why I like to drive back home to the Des because, you know, me just being me, and experiencing what's going on.

[1487] Yeah.

[1488] It is fine.

[1489] Yeah.

[1490] Sensations.

[1491] It's like, to me, it's almost like a form of meditation as well because you have to pay attention like you're saying.

[1492] I mean, mine doesn't have a roof.

[1493] It's a convertible.

[1494] So I'm feeling the air.

[1495] I see the stars.

[1496] And you have to look at everything around you.

[1497] And those cars, you really feel the road.

[1498] Oh, yeah.

[1499] So if you run over a pee, like, you definitely get princestess out and are like, I know.

[1500] Yeah, it's super light.

[1501] I've had since I was 14.

[1502] It's my first car.

[1503] Oh, that's amazing.

[1504] You have your first car?

[1505] Yeah.

[1506] Fuck.

[1507] Yeah.

[1508] God damn.

[1509] And there's been times when I haven't done well or something I've had to sleep in it and all these things.

[1510] So we have this long relationship and it never breaks down.

[1511] It's always just wonderful to, we're wonderful to each other.

[1512] And you feel the road.

[1513] When you hit something, you're like, hey.

[1514] Right.

[1515] And so you're attached to it.

[1516] And I love riding in a caddy or something like that, too, where it's like you could run over multiple bodies and feel nothing.

[1517] Right, right.

[1518] But I enjoy the drive when I'm on the road, sitting on a seat with five wheels, one of my hand and four on the road.

[1519] It's a great experience.

[1520] My old man, for a brief second out of 65, Corvette Stingray.

[1521] They're amazing cars.

[1522] They just, the way that thing looks, like, they just nailed it.

[1523] It's very organic.

[1524] Yeah, they nailed it.

[1525] It's definitely taken off of a sting rate, like someone was like, ooh.

[1526] Well, it's, I don't know.

[1527] I mean, it doesn't really look like a sting rate of me, but what it looks like is just...

[1528] It's that front, like, there's that bit of that shaping, that inspiration of the shape to me. I guess, yeah.

[1529] And I think I'm so always at a loss one.

[1530] It's like, if you could make something and you're going to ask everyone to help you, and we're going to grab all this shit from wherever we're going to grab it from, can we make it look cool or no?

[1531] or like what is your aversion to not everything has to look like an egg or a drop of water right and if it does can we do that like as cool looking as possible you know what I mean it should look great because that don't you feel good in that car oh yeah yeah it looks great yeah it looks great yeah it looks and it's also to me it's like you're rolling around at a piece of history so yeah 1965 you know it's like that that that thing was created in, you know, the early 60s.

[1532] Someone figured it out and put it together and then made a production line.

[1533] And did the most important thing ever.

[1534] They said, this is where we stop.

[1535] Yep.

[1536] We're good.

[1537] Yeah.

[1538] And they were like, this is what it looks like when it's finished.

[1539] Mm -hmm.

[1540] A completed thought.

[1541] Yeah.

[1542] And other people are like, fucking good idea, man. And I just, I have a 67.

[1543] You have a 65.

[1544] I'm like, that doesn't mean there aren't things made today it just means like I'm down with that idea.

[1545] Well it's also it captures a very specific time in American history where they made these cars that were worthwhile because when you go to 77 nobody gives a fuck about a 77 anything.

[1546] You know what I mean?

[1547] Like who's buying a 77 Mustang?

[1548] Get the fucking thing away from me. You know they all look like shit.

[1549] There's a lot of people selling them.

[1550] Maybe.

[1551] Well I also think too this this guy pulled up on me on a Prius that was quite new and he rolled down the window and just looked at me and way his hand over his nose and he goes stinky no way really yeah oh on fairfax kind of by the whole foods there at sanamanica and uh um and i just thought this is my first car i haven't got another one so you've probably gotten multiple new cars that's the only car you've had uh i had a bronco and we have a family car your whole life that's it i had a magnum for a sec but i never sold this car wow i can't believe you never saw that is so cool you never that is so cool you never ever sold your first car and it was a 67 camaro like i've had a lot of experiences in there that were that were that were wonderful and some that were challenging and they're all it's it's it's locked into that car yeah i mean but it's the shape too that's like one of the great all -time iconic shapes in automotive history that first one was like an attempt to be like mustang shmustang yeah and um and they really hit it out of the park because 67 68 and 69 You can almost hear the Mustang going like, well, you know, because it's, it's beautiful.

[1552] Yeah.

[1553] But I was thinking this guy, like, I see what he was trying to say, but he's probably, he's probably bought a shit ton of cars, which is way worse for the footprint, just off the, plus batteries are made on three continents.

[1554] What does he think he's going to fix you by going stinky?

[1555] He's just being a twat.

[1556] He's trying to build himself up again by breaking me down, but like my grandpa always said, he didn't swear very much.

[1557] but one of the things he was like I'd have to give a shit for it to matter and I just kind of chuckled because I was like thank God I didn't ride in the car with him you know because certainly he's going up to the next like Monte Carlo and is like stinky yeah he's just going to do it all day he's not like a stinky parade he's driving around a car that gets 50 miles of the gallon just mocking everything with a V8 yeah but also like on a on a stinky parade and and that's that's a that's a something I don't want to float on it's a lot of negativity pumping out there yeah but it's just weird to roll down your window and do that to be able to like come on well certainly that's too much free time in my book you know what's too much self -righteousness yeah stinky there it is look at that one done up ooh look at that bad boy oh well god damn if I can turn on my head do you mind if I turn this on I'll show you a picture is that yours that um mine looks It says it's yours.

[1558] Is it not yours?

[1559] I don't think that's his.

[1560] Isn't yours black?

[1561] Or is yours silver?

[1562] Yeah, it's silver.

[1563] Is it like that?

[1564] It looks a lot like that, except I don't have those.

[1565] Actually, I used to have, I, that's real close, but that's not it.

[1566] Ah, fuck you, internet.

[1567] But it's strikingly close.

[1568] For example, this has no door handles and no mirrors.

[1569] And yours does.

[1570] And mine does.

[1571] It also has a hood scoop from what seems to be a Corvette, actually, which mine does.

[1572] not have and um those rims are are much like the ones i had on my magnum but um not what i have on i think that's the hood from a 69 427 i think the s and the that's it right there it is that's beautiful man yeah and i'll show you what it looks like right now because i i ended up dropping a crate engine because in there which is a gm which one it's a dino blueprinted 350 with aluminum heads so it weighs like 800 pounds left and it sounds like you're stepping on glass like in an endless mausel toff parade too because like you know with like a glass and a hanky where they're like glass pack mufflers well in truth I tried to calm that down because as you crest a hundred miles an hour with the muffler's too loud it's like what it's a bit like being in a B -52 bomber for no reason like you know yeah um and uh let's see my rides i'll show it if you if you don't mind there um because uh it's pretty it's lovely when did you put the crate engine into it about five years ago and what a great idea that was oh yeah changed the balance of the car right oh yeah and it's got a new front and rear clip under it so it's on rails like oh wow You couldn't roll that thing if you, if you, like, lubed up the freeway.

[1573] Like, here it is.

[1574] And I got these hopster, hopster rims on it.

[1575] Ooh.

[1576] God, that looks good.

[1577] You know what's amazing about it is I get in that car and I take the kids to school or something.

[1578] And it's contagious because what happens is you feel really good.

[1579] as you know, you get in your 65 and you feel really good and you pull up with a smile on your face and go, hey, and it's a daily driver of this thing.

[1580] Yeah.

[1581] It's my daily driver.

[1582] And so...

[1583] That's a perfect rock star daily driver, by the way.

[1584] Well, it's...

[1585] 67 Camaro.

[1586] It's the...

[1587] What it is is something that makes me feel really good that is not part of a crisis.

[1588] Yeah.

[1589] Not midlife.

[1590] Yeah.

[1591] Not pre -life, not post -life.

[1592] It's just mine.

[1593] and I feel like myself in there.

[1594] The kids get in there.

[1595] I have five -point seatbelt so you don't need a car seat because I have a seatbelt that makes a car seat look like, you're doing okay.

[1596] Right.

[1597] It's a harness with springs that, like, slip.

[1598] Anyway, so they can be in the car as it is and take them to school and kids go like, whoa, and they get to get out in that.

[1599] And that's how they start their day.

[1600] Right, right, right.

[1601] It's like a little adventure.

[1602] That shit is tight.

[1603] Yeah, that is tight, man. Like, even being in traffic, like, people are really nice to you, too.

[1604] They pull up and they go, yeah, man. Most of them.

[1605] Yeah, well.

[1606] Some go stinky.

[1607] Don't forget about that guy.

[1608] You know, behind the ass of something cool is stinking.

[1609] Yeah.

[1610] Well, that's true, too.

[1611] Yeah.

[1612] So it's like, check out my ass as I take on.

[1613] But with a crate engine in it, it's got to do much better in terms of emissions.

[1614] Who cares?

[1615] I don't know.

[1616] You know, the fact of the matter is is that the responsibility should be on these plastic companies and these oil companies that have negated their responsibility to like, you shouldn't be allowed to just like shit into the air or the environment at a record pace just so you can make dough at the expense of everybody.

[1617] Well, they had a different thing they just did recently where they did a satellite image of all the methane in Los Angeles.

[1618] And they were thinking, well, we're going to find out where all these toxic greenhouse gases are.

[1619] coming from and an exorbitant number of them were coming from landfills you know just like steaming piles of steaming piles of shit is releasing terrible terrible gas into into the air i can't i can't help but think that uh you couldn't take that mulch it and turn it into something that would power something i think they're eventually going to be able to figure that out you know you're talking about the garbage patch there's a guy named boy un slot i love him yeah he's coming back he just emailed me the dutchman the young dutchman he's he's got a new one that he just installed in rivers.

[1620] So he's cleaning up these rivers in these third world countries that are, you know, extremely polluted.

[1621] And they're figuring out technologies to extract all these pollutants.

[1622] And then you could actually make a commodity out of the stuff that they pull.

[1623] So like the plastic that he's going to pull from the ocean is going to be valuable.

[1624] It's going to be worse.

[1625] Yeah.

[1626] Reused.

[1627] I think it would be a wonderful thing if we could agree that there's probably enough plastic already.

[1628] And to keep remand making more new, probably is unnecessary.

[1629] Well, what's really unnecessary is using fossil fuel plastic because there is biodegradable plastic they can make from hemp.

[1630] This has been, they've known this forever.

[1631] Well, hemp has been the wonder drug for so long.

[1632] Yeah, it really has.

[1633] I mean, the Constitution's written on hemp paper, and you tell someone out, they're like, well, I think it's the Declaration of Independence, but yeah, I mean, and also...

[1634] That's the Declaration of Co -dependence.

[1635] One of the drafts of the Declaration of Independence was written on hemp, but also like the sales of the fucking all the ships Every ship that crossed the ocean Every great work of art Is written on canvas That was made with hemp The soap, the clothes And it doesn't fuck with the soil No But I once saw you standing over that plant screaming, illegal Illegal You're legal Hey dude I gotta wrap this up man But it's been a pleasure to talk to you I've been a big fan for a long time Well I'm a big fan of yours as well And I loved your last special Between Cats and Dogs It was so true it's hard for me to watch well thank you thank you and you're um this desert sessions is it available yeah it's available it's fine it's fine what is it called it's it's desert sessions 11 and 12 it's a series of music but if you want to check it out and if you don't go check it out you fucks thank you brother appreciate it man thank you bye everybody that was great man it was fun I really enjoyed that thank you so much that's really cool Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha