61 - Live at The Neptune

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only murders in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] Guys, Seattle!

[17] Hi.

[18] Hi, Seattle.

[19] Are these microphones on?

[20] Can we...

[21] No?

[22] Can you hear us?

[23] Me, me, me, me. What's up, Seattle?

[24] I'm scared.

[25] Who's that empty row?

[26] Who's that fucking empty row?

[27] Lights up.

[28] I want all those names.

[29] What'd you say?

[30] Dead bodies?

[31] The fucking reserve family is a real bunch of dicks, that's for sure.

[32] Crazy.

[33] Whose family is that?

[34] I don't know.

[35] It's Jim and Donna Neptune, and they always get 15 seats at every show that they do.

[36] Oh, my God, it's so good to be here with you guys.

[37] This is so exciting.

[38] This is the very last night of our weekend tour, first tour ever.

[39] Yes.

[40] And we're here.

[41] We're wrapping it down with Seattle.

[42] Yeah.

[43] Thank God.

[44] That's for last.

[45] And just in time, because we thought it would be a good idea to wear the same dresses for the whole leg of the Western tour.

[46] So, you wouldn't cheer for it if you could smell it.

[47] These, I love them, they're going straight into the hotel room trash when I get home.

[48] Yeah.

[49] It's all filth now.

[50] It's all ruined.

[51] This feels like a dress.

[52] When I first put it on the first night, I was like, I'm a good.

[53] gorgeous princess and tonight I'm like I feel like Harold's mother from Harold and Maude.

[54] It feels like gross polyester that an old bitch would wear.

[55] And I'm really mad at you about it.

[56] Pocket!

[57] Pocket!

[58] Find me. Find my life.

[59] Find me. Follow me. Bye, Karen.

[60] Do this with me like guys.

[61] They won't participate.

[62] We won't do it.

[63] We refuse it.

[64] refuses to work...

[65] There it is.

[66] There he is.

[67] There I am.

[68] Refuses to work with you.

[69] And...

[70] Oh.

[71] She was just going to keep going.

[72] There's someone up there that's so mad right now.

[73] They don't fucking have this in the fucking...

[74] So angry.

[75] Yeah, we should wear different dresses every night now.

[76] How about pants and old shirts?

[77] Let's just wear whatever we want.

[78] I'm not sure.

[79] The dress thing may have been sarcastic at first.

[80] And then now we had to, like, weirdly commit to it.

[81] It's our tour.

[82] and we have to be fancy in theaters and it's like, well, you're not.

[83] Yeah.

[84] Look at you guys.

[85] Yeah, you know what?

[86] The night that we did Seattle, we fucking decided to wear whatever the fuck we wanted.

[87] I'm going to start.

[88] Because I'm you guys.

[89] Feel that freedom.

[90] Feel it.

[91] I'm so relieved.

[92] I'm never wearing a bra again.

[93] I fucking just can't.

[94] And I think I'm like past the point of not being able to wear a bra anymore.

[95] But I don't care.

[96] How long did that do that?

[97] take you just made it I came home one day and Vince was like oh where were you were you out and you're on people he's like I can see through your shirt fuck that I'm like I don't care but I just fucking can't do it I mean it's just I should take it off anyways hi hi oh yeah you just went down and do a hole there oh I should but I shit it Has anyone ever thrown their bra into the audience and not the audience throwing their bra on to the stage.

[98] Maybe.

[99] I bet they have, like, a...

[100] He wants a $14 target bra.

[101] Yeah.

[102] That smells.

[103] So, Karen, you texted me. I also, you can tell it's the end of the tour because my fingernails look like the ones Catherine Martin saw in Buffalo Bills Well.

[104] Can you see them?

[105] Good fucking records right there.

[106] I don't know what I've been doing, but literally it's like I look like I've been trying to climb my way out of a murder basement.

[107] That was a great reference.

[108] Like, I really dig the...

[109] You just did.

[110] Yeah, that's what I do for a living.

[111] Thank you.

[112] So, you texted me when we got to our hotel and you were like, I was like, this hotel, and you were like, I think it used to be a hospital.

[113] And I thought you were joking.

[114] And then I checked into my room, and I think it used to be a hospital.

[115] I think it used to be a hospital, everybody.

[116] It smells a little bit like a haunted bleach.

[117] and, like, yeah, there's a, in the bathroom, the bathroom door has one of those, like, what's like the ship windows?

[118] Yes.

[119] That's round.

[120] And I think it's for like to make sure your patient isn't like sneaking drugs.

[121] Yeah.

[122] So like the nurse can look in and how long, are you okay?

[123] Don't ship yourself with that soap.

[124] It's not allowed.

[125] It's very rehab.

[126] It's rehabby.

[127] It's rehabby.

[128] This is Diet Coke.

[129] It's rehabby.

[130] There's also, um, there's kind of a feeling.

[131] to it, I was sitting in there typing, as we like to do before shows, and for a while so that the lights kind of went dark, and I hadn't turned any lights on.

[132] And then in the hallway, a child screamed, and I almost, I was like, one them, oh, my God.

[133] Or the bunk, because it doesn't, there's no carpeting.

[134] No, I heard clonking upstairs, and I was like, that'd be funny if it was a ghost.

[135] Yeah.

[136] But it's just, there's no carpeting.

[137] But did you see there's a giant pillow on the bed that says, sleep with me. And I'm like, oh, that's my sleep podcast that I listen to.

[138] So maybe they're fans without podcasts.

[139] The insomniacs here know what I'm talking about.

[140] What?

[141] What?

[142] Just the idea that your hotel would be like, I think I know what podcast she likes.

[143] Sowing a pillow.

[144] When did you make that reservation?

[145] Three days ago.

[146] Sewing, sewing all night.

[147] I'm staying there again.

[148] I mean, we've been given weirder gifts, am I wrong?

[149] So this is my favorite murder.

[150] Hi, everybody.

[151] Thanks for being here.

[152] No, you're freaking out.

[153] Oh, you're into it now.

[154] Now you like doing light stuff.

[155] Okay.

[156] Good to know.

[157] That's so scary.

[158] Like, we can't really see anyone, which is good, because this is scary.

[159] And it feels like when, like, when, like, large marge makes her face all scary.

[160] Like, when the lights.

[161] Or no, when he has to, like.

[162] It's just one lady with a huge face.

[163] in the middle.

[164] It's like, oh, fuck.

[165] I don't want to see that.

[166] I want to pretend that this is not real.

[167] It's fun.

[168] It's totally fun.

[169] We're in a fight, ladies and gentlemen.

[170] We're in a fight.

[171] When we were upstairs, there's a record player, and I put on the record that was there, which was like a K -tel, I think it was called like Emotions or something.

[172] And there was all these songs from the 80s that were like every song from my junior high dance.

[173] And so I was kind of getting, like, an acid stomach.

[174] And Georgia was, like, doing something else.

[175] Like, it seemed like she wasn't paying attention at all.

[176] And then all of a sudden there was a song on, and it was sticks.

[177] It was a sticks song.

[178] I can't remember what it was.

[179] And all of a sudden, Georgia snaps up and goes, what is this?

[180] She doesn't even have a good voice.

[181] So bad.

[182] She sucked.

[183] It made me feel like I was in a grocery store, like a sad grocery.

[184] store, I'll...

[185] Sorry, sticks fans.

[186] Just a ballad where I sing like this.

[187] That's all it was in the 80s.

[188] That's all we had.

[189] No. I don't need that.

[190] We wanted more.

[191] We had Color Me Bad to slow dance, too.

[192] Oh.

[193] That's how old I am.

[194] Oh.

[195] Yeah.

[196] I was blackout drunk for Color Me Bad.

[197] It's probably up here a couple times.

[198] Yeah, it was fun.

[199] Oh, this is the other...

[200] I didn't start out this tour wearing these shoes with a dress.

[201] That probably wouldn't be my first choice, but I was like, fuck it, I can't do it anymore.

[202] Yeah.

[203] I had like huge heels for a while.

[204] You had heels on.

[205] What for who?

[206] Fuck that, man. What am I doing?

[207] No offense.

[208] What?

[209] Yeah, what else?

[210] Let's regroup.

[211] Let's just refocus.

[212] Okay.

[213] Okay.

[214] We did a Vancouver show last night, which was, I think, one guy is...

[215] Oh, that's right.

[216] There's a wagon train that came down from Vancouver that's at this show now.

[217] I think they're over there.

[218] Guess what?

[219] So at the end of the show, we were like going to have some of these, like, to release and stuff, the live shows.

[220] And then they were like, that didn't work.

[221] We didn't get the recording.

[222] So that was an exclusive show.

[223] So we're going to...

[224] Maybe tonight, you guys, things will happen.

[225] And this will be an exclusive show, too.

[226] Yeah, they came to us after, and they're like, it just didn't record.

[227] record.

[228] And we're just like, well, it is a podcast.

[229] So, um, so.

[230] We'll just tell everybody about it.

[231] Yeah.

[232] So if you get a call, we're going to be like episode 58.

[233] Here's basically how it went.

[234] It was so good.

[235] So I go.

[236] Best show.

[237] And then George is like, and then I'm like, say a Canadian name wrong.

[238] Oh my God.

[239] We were hilarious last night.

[240] Oh, my God.

[241] We were hilarious last night.

[242] Best we've ever been in our lives.

[243] It was fucking incredible.

[244] Best we've ever been.

[245] Death, jokes, everything you like.

[246] Puns, terrible puns.

[247] Don't be fun.

[248] Stevens, like, you know, talking about Stephen all the time.

[249] We yelled at Stephen.

[250] Yield at Stephen a lot.

[251] Did you see?

[252] Magical.

[253] A bunch of people on Instagram, I wrote a thing about, like, that it didn't record, and everyone was like, Stephen, you had one job in the comments, like over and over and over again.

[254] He wasn't even there.

[255] he was innocently sitting in Los Angeles stroking his own mustache and he's like, I'm sure he was like did I do something wrong?

[256] I guess you know what I probably did?

[257] I should apologize for it.

[258] I probably did.

[259] I'm really sorry.

[260] Sweet little Stevie.

[261] I love cats and my name's Stephen.

[262] God bless his soul.

[263] Yeah, that's a great description of him.

[264] Yeah.

[265] Oh, the reserved are finally Mr. and Mrs. Reserved are finally here.

[266] So So, just real quick, it's my cousin Danny.

[267] No. Come on.

[268] Oh, my.

[269] Oh, no. What if she tells him he's adopted?

[270] Yours is this time.

[271] Come on.

[272] Danny.

[273] Sit right here.

[274] You think, guys, Georgia.

[275] You think you're better than us?

[276] Hi, good, how are you?

[277] Nice to meet you.

[278] It's my cousin Danny Brown He's the youngest of all the cousins Well, Chris is the youngest, right?

[279] Chris is the youngest Oh, sorry.

[280] Oh, no. Oh, here's one.

[281] You know, called said, Hey, I'm going to be in Seattle this weekend too.

[282] Can I come to your show?

[283] And I said, Be on time.

[284] Wait, will you really quickly tell the story?

[285] So I don't know if any of you, you probably aren't, but if there are any San Francisco Giants fans in the audience, couple, then there's problems.

[286] I know.

[287] Here's that.

[288] So there's, oh, good.

[289] So do you want to tell that story of when you got you got to be famous for 15 minutes?

[290] Do you want me to do it for you and you can just chime in?

[291] You do tell a better story than I do.

[292] Well, so.

[293] That was part of the genetics.

[294] I got all those.

[295] Yeah, all of them.

[296] So Danny looks like Buster Posey, who is the catcher for the San Francisco Giants, quite a bit.

[297] To the point where, right?

[298] I didn't know what that.

[299] A man in the front said, yeah, you do.

[300] So now we know it's true.

[301] So Danny worked in at, it wasn't candlestick, was it?

[302] It was, is AT &T park.

[303] He worked at the park.

[304] Then one day he was leaving, and some little kids walked up, and they were like, oh my God, Buster Ploosie, can we get an autograph?

[305] And he's like, I'm not Buster Posey.

[306] And then more people came up.

[307] up and up.

[308] So he just started signing autographs.

[309] I love it.

[310] Ruin rookie cards.

[311] Some guy, like in 50 years, goes to like, he's been saving it for his children for retirement and he goes to bring in and cash it in and they're like, this is a fucking forge, dude.

[312] We don't believe you.

[313] Zero value.

[314] Way to go.

[315] The economy collapsed.

[316] He's like don't worry about it.

[317] You have got this thing.

[318] Grandpa has got you.

[319] All right, you can go.

[320] You don't have to say it.

[321] You're done roasting me. Danny Brown, ladies and gentlemen.

[322] Good job Now you're fine You're fine We'll talk about it at Christmas I'm so glad that was your cousin That couldn't have got better That was great I would have just a person I would have yelled at him anyway It's what I do It's my passion You You wear it well Thanks Like this dress Like this goddamn dress Should we talk about murder Should we talk about some murders?

[323] Do you want to do that?

[324] I wonder if one guy's like, oh, I didn't know that's what they were.

[325] I don't really, I'm not really into that.

[326] No, thank you, actually.

[327] Like, why would anyone want to talk about murder?

[328] Keep talking about your clogs.

[329] That's what we really, really love.

[330] I thought this was a clog cast.

[331] Clog cast.

[332] No. Danceco presents the Clogcast.

[333] Do not steal that.

[334] No. It's copy written.

[335] Our lawyer is in the reserve section.

[336] That's right.

[337] He's writing everything down.

[338] He'll be here in 45 minutes.

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[358] Goodbye.

[359] Hey, this is exciting.

[360] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[361] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[362] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone, who killed Saz, and where they've really after Charles?

[363] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[364] This season murder hits close to home.

[365] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[366] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[367] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[368] Who knows what'll happen once the cameras start to roll?

[369] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfenakis, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, Davey, Joy, Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[370] Only murders in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[371] Goodbye.

[372] I think, do you want to go first?

[373] Do you want me to go first?

[374] Well, I went first last night.

[375] Okay, then I'm going to go first.

[376] Yeah.

[377] We're off, we're off a little bit.

[378] Yeah.

[379] Someone gave us, while they were at the show, they gave us a little rock, and it says K on one side and G on the other, and they said, you can just flip it whenever you want to know who's going to go first.

[380] And it was like, pretty brilliant, I thought.

[381] They could have done that on a course.

[382] quarter.

[383] Yeah.

[384] Now we have to carry around a big rock.

[385] So thank you.

[386] It's pretty.

[387] It's like, thanks.

[388] Yeah.

[389] It's a pretty good size rock.

[390] Um, okay.

[391] This is what, I said this to my therapist in last week, last week in therapy because I'm bad at this.

[392] I might cry.

[393] Just want to let during this murder?

[394] Uh -huh.

[395] If you do, when you walk up stage and like really, I mean downstage and really like give it to the people?

[396] Like look up to the thing.

[397] Yes.

[398] Could we get a pin spot if she starts crying?

[399] I know I'm bugging you, but...

[400] I didn't know what that was.

[401] Yeah.

[402] All right, because I saw a document about this.

[403] Like, this is probably one of my, like, really young murders.

[404] You know, like, young is in, like, early teenage.

[405] I know who it is.

[406] I know you know.

[407] I saw a documentary about it to fucking ruin me. It made me feel so awful.

[408] It's always stuck with me. Partly because for 10 years, it was a cold case, which you know I'm obsessed with.

[409] And so it's one of those, like, big things that have no answers and you always, you know, think about it and imagine what could happen.

[410] And then when you find out, it gets solved.

[411] It's just so pointless and empty.

[412] It doesn't feel better, you know?

[413] So this is the story of Mia Zapata.

[414] Yeah.

[415] Seattle's fucking, yeah, I might cry.

[416] Okay.

[417] So Mia Zapata is born in August of 1965.

[418] She's raised in Louisville, Kentucky.

[419] And she was always obsessed with music.

[420] She learned to play the guitar and piano at nine years old.

[421] She would listen to punk and jazz and everything in between.

[422] She just was obsessed with music.

[423] And she had a voice like a jazz singer.

[424] It was like Janice Joplin's voice.

[425] It was amazing.

[426] And then in 1984, she goes away to college in Yellow Springs, Ohio, to study liberal arts.

[427] And in 1986, she meets three friends and they start a band.

[428] It's Steve Moriore.

[429] Marty, Matt Dresner, and Joe Spleen.

[430] They formed the punk band, the Gitts.

[431] Yes, yeah.

[432] And so Matt, who was a member of the Gitz, said that I went to many shows where afterwards people didn't even know I was on stage because their eyes were so transfixed on Mia because she just had this amazing stage presence.

[433] He said she was like a blues singer fronting a punk band.

[434] And then in 1988, they recorded their self -release, their unofficial debut album called Private Loob's Lobs, Loves, Loves.

[435] What the fuck?

[436] I wish this was Champagne, and it's not.

[437] And then in 1989, the band relocates to Seattle.

[438] Here you are.

[439] Because there's this huge music scene that you guys have all heard of all the time, and it's just kind of getting big.

[440] Did you guys know that you had a music scene here?

[441] Did you know that people like music and they came here to make it?

[442] Who knew?

[443] I thought it was just L .A. So, Mia gets a job at a local trashy dive bar, which I bet is a fucking, like, classy cocktail bar with $14 drinks at this point, right?

[444] Local trashy dive bar.

[445] It was down the street from a mental hospital, which she loves.

[446] Which is our hotel.

[447] Dude.

[448] Dude, it's true.

[449] I believe it.

[450] I'm not kidding.

[451] I'm going to look it up and we'll get back.

[452] I think you're right.

[453] Mia's described as someone who commanded respect and interest immediately.

[454] And she and the band members move into an abandoned house.

[455] They called the Rat House in Capitol Hill District, where the band rehearsed and lived.

[456] And they earn a huge following in the local scene.

[457] They have met a lot of friends, and they kind of just mesh right into the local punk scene in the community.

[458] And let's see.

[459] So Mia's described as funny and kind.

[460] She loved meeting new people.

[461] She would help friends recover from drug addiction.

[462] She took in homeless acquaintances, and she helped a lot of people through various crises.

[463] She was a really open and kind person.

[464] Everyone said she was really funny and always joking and shy, but a really good friend.

[465] So during the 90s, Buzz begins to surround the GITs, and they release a bunch of singles on local independent record labels.

[466] They're known for their, like, powerful driving music, you know, like punk, with these amazing lyrical poetic lyrics.

[467] Lyrical poetic lyrics.

[468] And then in 92, they release their official debut album, Frenching the Bulley, and their reputation gets even bigger in the Seattle scene, and they begin to work on their second album called Enter the Conquering Chicken, which is titled after Mia's Chicken Tattoo, which represents her childhood nickname Chicken Legs, which is adorable.

[469] 93 Atlantic Records offers a single to the GITs, or offers to sign the GITs, and they set up a national tour.

[470] And Mia was never really into the idea of getting really famous, and all she said she wanted to do is get a cabin in the woods, an old Jeep, and a sheepdog to write shotgun.

[471] Did it sound like I was going to say, and a shotgun?

[472] To shoot sheep dogs.

[473] everybody has a dream you get to have whatever you want as your dream spreading false rumors I know that's wrong my favorite murder it's not right no so just days before the tour is about to start on July 7th 1993 Mia leaves one of her regular hangs the Comet Tavern in Capitol Hill which we're all going to meet at afterwards she's looking for her boyfriend but couldn't find him, and then goes to visit a friend named Tracy.

[474] And Tracy says that that night, she was really agitated and distracted, and Tracy urged her to stay the night at her house, but Mia said she would just take a cab home.

[475] She wanted her to leave.

[476] I think she was upset with her boyfriend because he wasn't around.

[477] And this is the last time that Mia seen alive.

[478] She, they think she walked a few blocks in the direction of her place or went a different way, just like that.

[479] kind of liked to wander the city.

[480] And either way, an employee at the Comet remembers her wearing her headset as she left.

[481] So it's thought that she was listening to music and her Walkman, and so wasn't kind of paying attention to her surroundings and not listening and didn't hear.

[482] I mean, not that she would have fucking been able to do anything anyways.

[483] Like if she hears someone, she can, you know, whatever.

[484] And then at 320, a sex worker discovers Mia's body in the 100 block of 24th Avenue South, which is in the Central District of Seattle, and it's kind of known as a seedy neighborhood at the time.

[485] And she's found in the street on her back with her arms outstretched and her legs straight and crossed, and she had been beaten and strangled with the cord of her sweatshirt, which was a Gitts sweatshirt, which is like, makes that, and then I'm going to cry.

[486] And she had been raped, although the police kept that part out like from the public for years.

[487] I'm not sure why.

[488] Then...

[489] You just can't turn that page.

[490] I don't want to.

[491] We just have to stop the show.

[492] Okay, so it's thought that she encounters her attacker around 2 .15 in the morning and that she'd been killed somewhere else and then transported to the location where her body is found.

[493] And it's about two miles from the studio where her body was found where she had been.

[494] And it's on a dead -end street, and the cops don't think she had been murdered where she was found.

[495] They thought that someone brought her to the location after she was dead.

[496] And there was many theories of what could have happened.

[497] She told her friends she was taking a cab home, so they thought that maybe one of the drivers had picked her up that night, and so they looked into all of them to see if anyone had picked her up, and nobody had.

[498] And then a man had heard a horrifying scream, he said, when he was at home near the reservoir, which ended up being three miles from where she was found.

[499] And so they thought maybe she could have walked towards the reservoir that way, which is where he heard the scream.

[500] And he, like, ran outside.

[501] He heard this scream, and it was so awful that he ran outside.

[502] The only person that was ever seriously questioned was, as a suspect, was Mia's boyfriend.

[503] And they were in the process of breaking up, and he was described even by his friends as scary.

[504] Yeah.

[505] But he passes two lie detector tests and gives hair and blood.

[506] samples, he shows up for every appointment, he's super cooperative, and he has a solid alibi, so he's cleared, and then the police have no suspects to question at that point.

[507] They didn't have a crime scene or witnesses, and so the case went cold.

[508] And after her murder, Seattle's music community, including Nirvana and Joan Jett, helped raise $70 ,000 to hire a private investigator for three years via benefit concerts.

[509] So, yeah, it's pretty fucking rad.

[510] So meanwhile, police think that Mia had been killed by a random killer.

[511] Some people think that, and many people in the punk rock community, thought that she had been killed by someone that she knows, and I remember believing that for so long after I had heard about it.

[512] And some people thought that whoever killed her hadn't been acting alone because she was posed in this Christ -like pose, that someone had carried her feet and someone had carried her arms and then left her there.

[513] And then also people thought it might be a serial killer, because of the ritualistic pose, and also a cup from her bra was missing, so they thought maybe that the serial killer had taken it as a souvenir.

[514] The private investigator funds end up drying up with no major breaks in the case, and the investigator, the private investigator, Lee Heron, she just continues to investigate on her own because she's obsessed with it, which is pretty fucking cool.

[515] Then in 98, after five years of investigation, Seattle police say that they're no closer to solving the case than they were, right after the murder.

[516] And for 10 years, there's this crazy suspicion and accusation and fear throughout this whole Seattle community.

[517] Everyone is just wondering who this can be and if it's going to happen again because there's no rhyme or reason.

[518] Then 10 years later, in 2003, the Seattle police test DNA against the national database, which they had tried in 2001 and had no results.

[519] But this time, there's a match.

[520] A man who had recently even forced to submit DNA in the database when he was arrested in Florida for burglary and domestic abuse in 2002 is matched to the DNA found at the scene, specifically the saliva from the bite marks on Mia's chest, which thank God they fucking collected that in like 93, you know.

[521] Jesus Mez Kea, he's 48, he's a Cuban native who lives in Florida Keys.

[522] He didn't know Mia at all, but he lived just three blocks from where her body had been found.

[523] Mesquia is this huge hulking man I mean if you see video of him he's a giant and he has a history of violence and sexual assault against women he was a drifter in the 90s and he spent time in Seattle where there was a report of a decent exposure filed against him and it had happened near the comet theater within weeks of when Mia's when he had been killed but there was no no links to the two of them so it was just a random attack which is fucking crazy.

[524] He never testified in his own defense and still maintains his fucking innocence.

[525] And the theory is that he saw her leave the bar and followed her before he attacked her and drags her into his car, assaults her in the back seat.

[526] He's convicted in 2004 and sentenced to 37 years initially, which doesn't seem like enough, right?

[527] And he appeals, and then he's sentenced to 36 years.

[528] years instead.

[529] Just like, okay, what the fuck?

[530] I just don't even...

[531] I am sorry.

[532] And he's been in prison since 2003, still alive, and her dad said, you don't realize what forever is.

[533] You drive your daughter to school, tell your wife have a good day, I'll see you later, but you assume you'll be together at the end of the day, but then something happens and forever is forever.

[534] It doesn't matter what you do, how you do it, how I pray, how I wish, nothing on earth is going to bring Mia back.

[535] That's that.

[536] That's awful.

[537] It is.

[538] I know.

[539] I mean, I remember seeing that one.

[540] I think there's a forensic files of it.

[541] I just remember seeing it because every forensic files, that old guy narrator, it was always like these random people.

[542] And suddenly he's talking about like the punk scene.

[543] in Seattle, hearing that guy talk about it.

[544] I don't know, it was like bone chilling, where it just like fuck, this is really a real thing that happened.

[545] It's not like something that happens to someone in, you know, Idaho.

[546] It's like...

[547] Something you can't connect with, like...

[548] Sorry, I know.

[549] That's not, that wasn't a judgment.

[550] I was just trying to pick a random state.

[551] Something we have not, like, you know, someone's mom, like a mom, I can't identify with that except I have a mom, but I'm not but yeah it was like they showed footage on the forensic files of like the punk show and it was like oh i've fucking been to those things well i i fucking walked drunk away from a 1 ,000 bars so it's just that chilling feeling of like fuck alone with headphones in jesus yeah it's so that's really sad well bye take it away karen and i really set you up for failure didn't i nope You want to know why?

[552] Why?

[553] Because I'm doing Ted Bundy.

[554] This is how we do it.

[555] Fucking dropping it and picking it back up.

[556] And I'm like, what is this?

[557] Here's something meaningful.

[558] Now here's a super monster.

[559] Right.

[560] Here's your hometown super monster.

[561] Right to go.

[562] I'm not going to cry in this one.

[563] No, no, no. Well, but I am glad you did that.

[564] I think that means a lot.

[565] Those two, that's nice.

[566] Yeah, this is a nice little.

[567] This is a nice pairing.

[568] What are we talking about?

[569] What is this?

[570] This isn't a fucking cheese and charcutory plate.

[571] Dude, here's a funny thing.

[572] When I was looking up this stuff, someone, he, on one page, they said, Ted Bundy, sometimes known as the co -ed, killer, sometimes known as the Angel of Decay.

[573] What?

[574] That sounds like a dentist, like what a dentist says you will have it.

[575] A goth dentist?

[576] Yeah.

[577] Yeah.

[578] What if there's a dentist serial killer?

[579] Then that's what that is.

[580] I mean, they're already so horrible.

[581] I mean.

[582] I've never heard Ted Bundy called the Angel of Decay.

[583] It's never happened.

[584] I feel like that was like a weird URL link and they just went to someone's weird poetry page.

[585] It's like, no, that's not.

[586] Don't click on that.

[587] But as probably many of you have already know and have already read, one of my favorite crime writers is Anne Ruhl.

[588] And, right?

[589] She's just like, she's the fucking Stephen King of true crime.

[590] It's crazy.

[591] She churned it out for years and years.

[592] God bless her soul.

[593] And her story, I wish, if this, if I had all the time in the world and I could really fucking, here's what I do.

[594] Let's hear it.

[595] I would now clear the stage.

[596] I would put on an Anne Ruhle costume and I would do a one woman show called The Stranger Beside Me. Yeah, I'd fucking sit in the audience and yell shit at you.

[597] You'd be like, fuck you.

[598] I'd be yelling our quotes at us real loud.

[599] That would, because her story, so if you don't know, Anne Rul was a crime writer who in the 70s had been a cop and had become like a crime beat reporter among other things.

[600] I think she still worked in the police department also in some other ways, but she also volunteered at a suicide prevention hotline, and that is where she met the amazing Mr. Ted Bundy.

[601] She worked side by side with him on the night shift at a suicide hotline, and she he, he, He was a close friend, and she used to like to say if she was 10 years younger or her daughters were 15 years older, she thought he was the perfect man. This is why you never let your mom set you up with anyone.

[602] Your mom.

[603] Next time she tries, say, guess what, Mom?

[604] Yeah.

[605] Don't pull that Ann rule shit on me, mom.

[606] Eric from your office could be a serious killer.

[607] Also, I just love, this is my favorite kind.

[608] My favorite kind is the ones who, like, wear, like, fair aisle sweaters and, like, hey, I'd love to treat you to a bottle of Shabli or whatever, where you're like, I never saw it coming.

[609] I never.

[610] And that, he is so that way that even this woman who, like, herself had studied psychology, was, had been a cop, all these things, did not see it, didn't see it over and over again, even when the, like, the evidence was piling up in front of, of her face she'd still be like it can't be him it's that's crazy it isn't him um i just can't on that i mean i guess today is different these days but fucking fuck but i think it's also you know it's also attribute to his insane like you know whatever he was i like to say my favorite one to say is psychopath yeah but who really knows what that means not me get offended the some get offended some get me to be accurate.

[611] I think he was a sexual sadist psychopath.

[612] I think so.

[613] I think he really got off too on manipulate.

[614] Like that was part of his enjoyment is just living in plain sight.

[615] And manipulating people and he was really quite something.

[616] All right, let's talk about it.

[617] Let's do it.

[618] So, uh, um, so his mother, Louise Cowell, this is how he started life.

[619] His mother got pregnant out of wedlock.

[620] So he was raised to believe that his grandparents were his parents and his mother was his sister.

[621] That's fine.

[622] It's fine.

[623] George Clooney.

[624] Fuck, it didn't turn him into a serial killer.

[625] Is it George Clooney?

[626] No. Who is it?

[627] Who is it?

[628] You're just fucking naming people.

[629] Rumors.

[630] I'm spreading them.

[631] It did not affect Brad Pitt one bit.

[632] What's the problem?

[633] It's someone, I swear.

[634] Someone's yelling at them.

[635] Some famous person?

[636] Yes.

[637] Someone tell me. Bobby Flay?

[638] Oh.

[639] George Clooney is someone else.

[640] Jack Nicholson, thank you.

[641] For real?

[642] Is that right?

[643] Yes.

[644] Are you just picking one?

[645] I swear to God, that's what I meant.

[646] Same fucking thing.

[647] Those two.

[648] He did fine with it.

[649] Exactly.

[650] He's a psychopath, probably.

[651] Although The Shining.

[652] All right.

[653] There were also.

[654] rumors that his grandfather, who he was raised to believe was his father, was actually his father.

[655] But that's just gossip.

[656] Stop gossiping about Ted Bundy.

[657] Oh my God.

[658] So he graduated from Woodrow Wilson High School in Tacoma in 1965.

[659] Really?

[660] Yes.

[661] The fighting murderers.

[662] And he won a scholarship to the University of Puget Sound.

[663] after two semesters, he transferred to the University of Washington.

[664] A bunch of fucking educated listeners in this audience today.

[665] They love school!

[666] How about, and then they didn't go to college.

[667] Then they went for a year and a half, stopped going to class, then just thought they could hide the report card.

[668] And then just signed up for class so they could get their mom's health insurance.

[669] Yeah!

[670] All right, sorry, I'm interrupted, yeah.

[671] Okay.

[672] After two semesters, he transferred to the university, Washington, and there he meets Stephanie Brooks, which is a pseudonym.

[673] I didn't know that for a long time.

[674] Makes me really mad.

[675] I always thought her name was Stephanie Brooks.

[676] That's a pseudonym.

[677] Stephanie was a beautiful girl from a wealthy California family.

[678] They dated for a year.

[679] Ted is way more into her than she is into him.

[680] And eventually she graduates.

[681] She moves back home to her parents' house in California, and she breaks up with him.

[682] And she tells him, upon breaking up with him, that he's immature and he lacks ambition.

[683] And I'm sure that that went over well with Ted.

[684] He's like, Thank you, Stephanie.

[685] I appreciate your candor.

[686] And I'll take it into consideration.

[687] No ambition, eh?

[688] Watch this.

[689] So then in 1969, right after that happens, he decides he's going to go back to his birthplace, Burlington, Vermont, visit his family.

[690] that's where he finds out he's illegitimate.

[691] Oh, but anyway, here's some maple syrup.

[692] So he comes on back to Seattle, this spring in his step, and a thirst for blood.

[693] So, he comes back from that trip, really knuckles down, and becomes a big Republican.

[694] Why is that the weirdest?

[695] That's, like, the weirdest twist for me. Yeah.

[696] Not that, oh.

[697] Isn't that a fun twist?

[698] Huh.

[699] He was like, I know what's going to impress, Stephanie.

[700] I'm going to get into politics.

[701] Watch this.

[702] Watch me wear a red and white striped tie.

[703] Stephanie, God damn it.

[704] So he runs the Seattle Campaign Office for Nelson Rockefeller's presidential run.

[705] Who?

[706] I know.

[707] He did a great job.

[708] So then he returned to the University of Washington.

[709] He becomes a psychology major and an honor student.

[710] And he meets a woman named Liz Kendall, who then becomes his girlfriend.

[711] He graduates from UW in 1972 with a dream psychology.

[712] And that summer, he goes on a business trip to California, and he meets up with Stephanie Brooks.

[713] Just to say hi.

[714] Hey, what's going on?

[715] I just want to check in and see how you are.

[716] Catch up.

[717] What do you've been up to down here?

[718] What?

[719] This time, oh, I wrote this time as a motivated Republican psychology grad student with some amazing sweaters.

[720] So they get, they actually get back together.

[721] He gets back together with her, and they date for a year.

[722] His poor real girlfriend at home is like, he said he was just going to have fucking margaritas with her.

[723] Neither of them knew about each other.

[724] Yeah.

[725] So he gets back together with Stephanie Brooks, Dates her very seriously for a year, is very romantic, is very lovely.

[726] At the end of the year, he proposes marriage.

[727] She says yes, and two weeks later, he breaks up with her and will not return her calls.

[728] Whoa.

[729] So what did he, that was a, he fucking vengeance dated proposed to her.

[730] If he wasn't Ted Bundy, I'd be like, fuck yeah, you did, but.

[731] No. Really shines a light on that behavior, doesn't it?

[732] It's very, very destructive behavior, very vicious, cruel behavior.

[733] I do like it, though, a little bit.

[734] I mean, let's...

[735] I can think of like four different people.

[736] It would have been amazing to do that too.

[737] You make them re -fall in love with you, and you're like, um, later days.

[738] Go fuck yourself.

[739] Peace out to you and your family.

[740] Remember when I was wearing this outfit?

[741] Remember this outfit?

[742] Yeah.

[743] Okay.

[744] So, then, Stephanie's devastated.

[745] This is what I wrote, and it's tasteless.

[746] Stephanie's devastated.

[747] And as she weeps, her long brunette hair covers her face evenly on both sides.

[748] That's right, because it's parted down the middle.

[749] No. Remember that for later.

[750] Is that where it's start?

[751] Nope, I'm not right.

[752] Forgot.

[753] Freeze that.

[754] Make it.

[755] Just paint a picture in your mind.

[756] You're going to want to look back at it later.

[757] Post it.

[758] Post it.

[759] Post it out.

[760] Almost immediately, after all of those events, Ted's murderous rampage begins.

[761] And when I say murderous rampage, I'm talking about like five pages of 11 -point font rampage shit.

[762] So let's blaze through this.

[763] Get comfy, everyone.

[764] Shortly after midnight, on January 5th, 1974, Ted Bundy breaks into the basement apartment of 18 -year -old Joni Lenz, also a pseudonym, and bludgeoned her with a metal rod from her own bed frame, sexually assaults her with a speculum, and leaves her for dead.

[765] She is found by her roommates the next day in a pool of blood in a coma, and she survives but has permanent brain damage.

[766] Oh, honey.

[767] One month later, Ted Bundy breaks into the room of UW student and his cousin's roommate Linda Ann Healy.

[768] He knocks her unconscious, dresses her jeans in a t -shirt, wraps her in a sheet, and carries her away.

[769] That's on February 1st.

[770] Now, female co -ed start disappearing at the rate of one a month.

[771] They're all young and slender with long brown hair parted down the middle.

[772] In March, Donna Gail Manson.

[773] What'd you say?

[774] I remember that now.

[775] You remember from...

[776] It was like only three paragraphs ago.

[777] No, I remember.

[778] In March, Donna Gail Manson, a 19 -year -old student at Evergreen College in Olympia is kidnapped and murdered.

[779] Don't be fucking cheering that She's It's a wonderful Arts College actually Where you get to give yourself your own grades It's real like Fucking a lot of this And a lot of this And like Yes mom Yes no I am learning a ton Thank you Thanks for the health insurance Thanks for calling During my acid trip Anyhow In April Susan Rancourt Disappears from the campus of Central Washington State College in Ellensburg.

[780] The same night, right?

[781] The same night, another female student reports being approached by a man in a cast asking for help carrying a stack of books to his Volkswagen Beetle.

[782] Here we go.

[783] Right?

[784] Two other co -eds tell the same story from three nights earlier.

[785] In May, Kathy Parks disappears from Oregon State campus in Corvallus.

[786] It's really weird.

[787] I feel like you should be omitting the college names.

[788] Poor Oregon State.

[789] They're just like, we've got to represent.

[790] And they know it's coming.

[791] It's like four sad people up there.

[792] We love the middle of Oregon, too.

[793] On June 1st, Brenda Ball leaves the flame tavern in Burian and is never seen again.

[794] Beerian.

[795] I mean, seriously.

[796] Seriously.

[797] The fact that you knew the geography, where the middle of Oregon was.

[798] I was impressed, so fine.

[799] Bye, Leanne?

[800] Ten days later, in the early morning hours of June 11th, UW student, Georgianne Hawkins, is last seen leaving her boyfriend's dorm to take the short walk back down the alley to her sorority house.

[801] They say it was 50 yards from his door to her door, but she never arrives.

[802] Witnesses tell the police, they see a man in a leg cast, struggling to carry a briefcase the night before.

[803] One student reports the man asked her to help him carry the briefcase back to his Volkswagen Beetle.

[804] No. If a man ever asks you to help him carry a briefcase...

[805] Right.

[806] We've talked about this.

[807] Women and children, if men ask you for directions, children...

[808] No. There's not...

[809] They don't want...

[810] Adults don't need your help, children.

[811] No. And men who can't carry their own suitcases don't get to have I mean, briefcases, don't get to have briefcases.

[812] Yep.

[813] That's just part of it.

[814] It's a good rule.

[815] If you've injured your arm, then you don't get to carry your briefcase.

[816] Sorry, important businessman.

[817] Put a backpack on.

[818] Take a break.

[819] This brings us to July 17th, 1974.

[820] This is the part where, when I was reading a stranger beside me, I couldn't stop reading this chapter over and over because it's so fucking fucked up.

[821] So, Lakes...

[822] Samimish?

[823] Sammamish.

[824] I mean, they should spell it phonetically on Wikipedia if they want podcasters to announce it correctly.

[825] Lake Sammamish State Park in Issaquah?

[826] You guys are you're fucking easily impressed on the view.

[827] What a job we have.

[828] I mean, it's ridiculous.

[829] This is like reverse kindergarten, basically.

[830] This is like a spelling bee But, like, you just can't loot.

[831] Everyone wins.

[832] Everyone gets a ribbon.

[833] That's right.

[834] I'm into it.

[835] That's finally.

[836] Okay.

[837] So, at Lake, well, shit, I forgot already.

[838] Sammamish?

[839] Sammamish.

[840] Um, it's a beautiful holiday weekend, and tons of people are there.

[841] You know, when it's sunny up here, you guys go bat shit.

[842] It's like, all of a sudden, everybody's wearing this.

[843] smallest bathing suit they can find like fucking standing around at a man -made lake so there's actually pictures online you can look this up it's so packed on this day there's like there's just people standing like shoulder to shoulder it's unbelievable and that day two women Janice Ott and Denise Naslin both disappear without a trace in the middle of the day so eight witnesses tell police they saw a handsome young man named Ted he doesn't use a pseudonym with his arm in a sling and five of them are women who he asked for help unloading his sailboat from his Volkswagen so one woman actually went with him and as she's walking up to the Volkswagen she's like there ain't no sailboat over here and she was all buying and for her three witnesses said that they saw Janice Ott speaking to that same man and they saw her leave with him and then four hours later Naslin disappears.

[844] Wow, he came back.

[845] He fucking killed Janice Ott up in like the hills about a mile away.

[846] Oh my God.

[847] And then came back to get another woman.

[848] He is in a full on fucking psychotic frenzy.

[849] Yeah.

[850] But meanwhile all like he's, they said the witnesses describe him as having kind of a clipped slightly British accent.

[851] So can you imagine?

[852] He's like a werewolf rampaging.

[853] And then he like wipes it all off and turns around.

[854] It's like, hello.

[855] Do you mind?

[856] I've got a sailboat over here.

[857] I can't get it off my...

[858] Go on.

[859] I was a theater manger.

[860] Okay.

[861] So the police distribute flyers.

[862] Also, there's two comparative pictures.

[863] The next weekend at that lake, nobody's there.

[864] nobody's there.

[865] It's hilarious.

[866] Bikinis away.

[867] Yeah, that's right.

[868] So the police distribute flyers.

[869] They hold a press conference describing the man witnessed.

[870] Ted Bundy's girlfriend, his psychology professor, and his suicide prevention coworker and crime writer and rule all call the police and give his name.

[871] No. Yes.

[872] And Anne Rule in the book, she talks about it, where she calls and says, this is crazy.

[873] And I mean, it's probably not him.

[874] Right.

[875] The thing is that he does have a gold Volkswagen.

[876] Jesus.

[877] His name is Ted.

[878] Oh, my God.

[879] And he has no sailboat.

[880] It can't be denied.

[881] His total lack of boating.

[882] Oh, okay.

[883] So, oh, because they also gave his physical description.

[884] So basically it's just staring all of them in the face.

[885] And they're like, I don't.

[886] No. But it also must be really weird because she talks about it in the book that he was so empathetic and he would talk to people.

[887] He would talk people off killing themselves for hours.

[888] He would stay on the phone.

[889] He was so empathetic.

[890] He had the most amazing mask that he would wear.

[891] He was living the ultimate double life.

[892] It's fucking nuts.

[893] Okay, so Ted Bundy killed both of those women within hours of each other.

[894] And both of those murders were so brutal that.

[895] when their skeletal remains were found a mile from that lake, there were only bone fragments left.

[896] And up there with them, when they found those skeletal remains, they also found the remains of George Ann Hawkins.

[897] And then just east of there on Taylor Mountain in 1975, the partial skeletal remains of the rest of the missing women were found.

[898] Linda Healy, Susan Rancourt, Kathy Parks, and Brenda Ball.

[899] And Bundy claimed that Donna Manson was also buried there, but no remains of her have ever been found.

[900] So he basically had these two dumping grounds and he used to go visit them.

[901] I don't know how he fucking found the time, but it was like among all the other bullshit that he was doing, then he would drive up into the mountains and then just sit there with his victim's bodies.

[902] All right.

[903] Then he decides to go to law school.

[904] Oh my God.

[905] What a dick.

[906] He's going to teach that ex -girlfriend, a thing or two.

[907] So he moves to Salt Lake City.

[908] Really?

[909] That was not sincere.

[910] All right, I'll try to go through these fast because it's just so much.

[911] October 2nd, Nancy Wilcox disappears from Halliday, Utah.

[912] She was last seen riding in a Volkswagen.

[913] A little over two weeks later, 17 -year -old Melissa Smith is abducted, raped, sodomized, and strangled in Midvale, and her body is found nine days later.

[914] She's the daughter of the police chief.

[915] Then 17 -year -old Laura, Laura Amy disappears after leaving a Halloween party in Lehigh, and a month later, hikers find her naked, beaten, strangled body on the banks of a river in American Fort Canyon.

[916] On November 8th, Carol de Raunch is leaving Fashion Place Mall in Murray when an officer Roseland approaches her to tell her that her car has been broken into, and that she needs to come with him to file a report.

[917] So she goes to the car, she sees nothing's missing, but he tells her she asked her to come to the station anyway.

[918] No, no, no, no. And then they get into his Volkswagen, you know.

[919] He didn't have a police car?

[920] The car that cops drive all the time, gold Volkswagen's.

[921] Oh, man, fuck, my goodness.

[922] On the way, he suddenly pulls over really fast and tries to throw handcuffs on her.

[923] but in the frenzy and she starts fighting him off he puts both handcuffs on one wrist and then as he does that he picks up a crowbar and tries to hit her over the head with it but she catches it midair because her other arm is free then she opens the car door and rolls out onto the highway and escapes from fucking Ted Bundy fuck yes Carol I mean yeah all right thank okay yes all right I just was going to say, it probably ruined going to the mall for a long time.

[924] All right.

[925] That night at Vuemont High School in Bount to Full, the drama club is putting on a play.

[926] This ties back in.

[927] I just wanted to talk about theater arts for a second.

[928] So both teachers and students report seeing a man who approaches them to tell them that their cars have been broken into.

[929] some say they see him lurking in the back of the auditorium where the play is being held and Debbie Kent, a 17 -year -old high school student, leaves the play at intermission to go pick up her brother and is never seen again.

[930] Later, the investigators find a small key in that parking lot that fits the pair of handcuffs that were taken off Carol Durrach.

[931] Oh, my God.

[932] Okay, so now I've interjected a story I found on Reddit.

[933] maybe a bad idea but it possibly could be true maybe 30 % so this story is a guy that says his friend's parents met in their teens at the end of their first date his friend's dad suggested that they go for a midnight hike up in Provo Canyon he apparently knew the place since he had done a fair amount of rock climbing in the area so the two drove up to the mouth of the canyon started hiking under the light of the stars since it was a new moon You're just hoping to get late at that point.

[934] Nobody fucking hikes at night.

[935] I know.

[936] But they can't, it's their son, so they can't have to tell them a different story.

[937] Oh, yeah.

[938] They're like, son, we loved hiking in the 70s.

[939] Oh, we'd hike and hike all night.

[940] Right.

[941] At some point, the dad starts getting a bad feeling since the pathway ahead, which was going to pass under some trees, was going to be very dark.

[942] So he ignores the feeling and presses on.

[943] Got to ignore those feelings.

[944] You got to.

[945] In later retelling of the story, his mom would say that she felt the same bad feeling, but that she didn't know the trail like he did, so she just trusted that he knew what he was doing.

[946] A minute later, the dad felt that feeling even stronger, ignored it again.

[947] They walked a bit of the way into the trees when his foot hit something soft in the middle of the path.

[948] Under the trees, though, it was too dark to see just what the soft thing was.

[949] the feeling came back stronger than ever and instead of finding out what his foot hit, they both agreed to run away.

[950] Years later, after being married for some time, congratulations to them.

[951] They were watching an interview with the serial killer Ted Bundy in response to a question asking him to describe the time he felt closest to being caught.

[952] He explained about the night that he lured a girl into Provo Canyon had just killed her when he heard some people coming up the trail and that he hid in the trees only to watch some guy walk right into the body and for some reason just turn around and walk away.

[953] And this is why you always bring a flashlight when you're fucking hiking at night.

[954] Yes, yes, no, yes.

[955] No, that's exactly right.

[956] Right, right, right.

[957] That's exactly right.

[958] Also, somebody could have just watched interviews of Ted Bundy retro -engineered that entire story and be lying on Reddit.

[959] We don't know.

[960] We don't know.

[961] There's just no way to tell.

[962] There's no way to tell.

[963] Okay, so now Ted ventures into Colorado.

[964] He's taken it to a different state.

[965] So Karen Campbell disappears from the Wildwood Inn in Snowmass where she was vacationing with her fiancé and children.

[966] She disappeared between the elevators and the front room of her door a span of 50 feet.

[967] Vailski instructor Julie Cunningham disappears in March of 1975.

[968] Denise Olverson in April in Grand Junction.

[969] In May, Lynette Culver disappears in Idaho from the grounds of her junior high school.

[970] In June, Susan Curtis disappears in Utah.

[971] None of these bodies have ever been found.

[972] Back in Washington, Ted Bundy's name had made it onto four different suspect list for four different reasons, and he was finally in the top 25 list of people to be investigated when a call came in from Utah.

[973] Sorry, I just started thinking about their stuff.

[974] what am I going to do tomorrow okay so here's what happened back in Utah Ted had failed to stop for routine traffic violation and those routine traffic violations will always get you they will get you I think from what I remember in the book but I'm not positive he was driving by a house he was basically casing a house and a cop was like what are you doing you're being a creed yeah and then when he went to pull him over, he wouldn't pull over.

[975] And so he finally, he got him, like, got him out of the car.

[976] And then, uh, when he searched his car, he found a crowbar, a ski mask, handcuffs, trash bags, and an ice pick.

[977] You know, car stuff.

[978] So, Detective Jerry Thompson, um, connected the Volkswagen to Carol Durant's kidnapping case and they get a warrant to search Ted's apartment where they find a brochure for the Wildwood Inn.

[979] And when they put him in, and when they a lineup, Carol DeRanche comes in, and as well as several of the bountiful high school play witnesses, and they all pick him out as Officer Roseland.

[980] Whoa.

[981] So this is his first conviction, I know, only four more hours.

[982] I was typing this, I'm like, maybe I bail before he ever goes to jail.

[983] I mean, just like...

[984] Yeah, what part do I leave?

[985] There's no...

[986] You have to tell the whole thing.

[987] Yeah.

[988] So basically, here's what happens.

[989] He's tried and convicted of the kids.

[990] kidnapping case.

[991] He sentenced to 15 years, and when they were taking him to trial during the recesses, his, the officers, he was so charming and chatty and cool and chill that the officer started letting him use the law library during the recesses of his own trial.

[992] You know, just to be cool.

[993] So on June 7th, one day while he's in the law library, he sees his chance and he jumps out a second story window.

[994] Goodbye.

[995] When he lands.

[996] He breaks his ankle and then he runs for it.

[997] And he escapes into the mountains and he survives for six days.

[998] He had found, he walked until he found a cabin.

[999] He rested for a little while.

[1000] At one point, an armed citizen who was up there specifically to search for Escapey Ted Bundy comes upon him and Ted talks his way out of it and just continues on his way.

[1001] He was a slick, slightly British -accented motherfucker this guy.

[1002] That's like, that's, yes.

[1003] He must have had great, like, eyes or something.

[1004] What was it about Ted?

[1005] Good hairline.

[1006] Yeah.

[1007] Just a strong fucking hairline.

[1008] Jesus.

[1009] What the shit.

[1010] Kind of, like, came down a little bit of a V, but not like a vampire V. Yeah.

[1011] Framed his face.

[1012] Just framed it up nice.

[1013] Yeah.

[1014] Some curls.

[1015] Nice 70s.

[1016] Uh, yeah.

[1017] Just a nice thick sideburn here.

[1018] But not threatening.

[1019] No, no, no. And, like, not unkempt.

[1020] No, no, no. All right.

[1021] You could, he brushed his hair 500 times every morning.

[1022] Okay.

[1023] He's finally recaptured, brought back to jail, immediately starts working on a new escape plan.

[1024] He cuts a hole in the ceiling into the crawl space and then starts dieting.

[1025] He loses weight, loses weight, loses weight until finally he, oh, he finds out that they're going to move the venue of his next, of the trial.

[1026] So he, right now he is in the, um, I think he's an evergreen.

[1027] jail and it's super old fashioned.

[1028] And so he's like, I gotta do it now.

[1029] I can't wait anymore.

[1030] So he crawls up into this crawl space, crawls across, and basically goes into right above the jailer's apartment, which is another part of the jail.

[1031] But it's like where the people work where they actually lived in the jail.

[1032] He drops down into the jailer's linen closet.

[1033] And luckily, the jailer and his wife were at the movies that night.

[1034] So he just puts on some of that guy's clothes and fucking walks out the front door.

[1035] Is it weird that I'm like, what was your diet?

[1036] And can I?

[1037] He's just, it was super, he was super paleo.

[1038] He was like one of the first paleo guys.

[1039] Do you think there's like a Bundy diet app like that one?

[1040] Yep.

[1041] He actually invented CrossFit by sawing the ceiling.

[1042] Oh, I thought you were, by stabbing.

[1043] Oh, no, no. Oh, that's why they made that noise preemptively before they heard the rest of my hilarious joke.

[1044] Okay.

[1045] Here's what he did.

[1046] So crazy.

[1047] He hitchhikes to Vail, then he takes a bus to Denver, then he takes a plane to Chicago.

[1048] He eventually ends up in Tallahassee, Florida.

[1049] And this is the big fucking hideous finale.

[1050] That's so insane.

[1051] At 3 a .m. on Sunday, January 15th, 178, Ted Bundy crept into the unlocked back door of the Chi Omega Sorority House at Florida State University.

[1052] about this part yeah right and he bludgeoned and strangled um four sorority girls each roommates so he went into the first room and killed lisa levy and margaret bowman he beat margaret to death and then uh he had restrained lisa beat margaret to death then began to beat lisa to death and brutally raped her and then murdered her.

[1053] Then, undetected, he snucked down the hallway and did the same thing in the next room to roommates Karen Chandler and Kathy Kleiner.

[1054] And then he just walked out of the house.

[1055] What in the fuck?

[1056] Yeah.

[1057] Then he walked down the street.

[1058] Everyone in the audience is like, I don't like true crime anymore.

[1059] Then he walked down the street, he broke into a house, and he did the same thing to a girl named Cheryl Thomas.

[1060] except she survived.

[1061] Yeah, he basically had already killed for women that night, and so he was getting a little tired, and she was fighting him, and then people came up from downstairs because they heard so much banging, and he was basically, like, beating her with a big piece of wood.

[1062] And he ran out, so she ended up surviving.

[1063] Then on February 9th, so like a month later, he basically hides up in his weird apartment, and he's basically super crazy and, like, at the end.

[1064] He probably knew he was at the end.

[1065] On February 9th in Lake City, he abducted and raped a 12 -year -old girl named Kimberly Leach.

[1066] And then he stole another Volkswagen to drive across the state.

[1067] But in Pensacola, an officer noticed the stolen plates and pulled him over, and he got out of the car, and then immediately started fighting with the cop, and the cop gets him down, cuffs him, gets him in the car, and Ted Bundy says that the cop, I wish you killed me. Right?

[1068] So he's charged for the Tallahassee in Lake City murders.

[1069] He stands trial in Miami for the Chi Omega murders.

[1070] And there was a Chi Omega member named Niederi who saw him leave and went to court and identified him.

[1071] And that testimony, as well as the bite marks that he left on his victims, were the evidence that basically convicted him.

[1072] Now, everyone's heard of this, but, like, of course, Ted Bundy, being the asshole that he is, decided he was going to represent himself in a couple of these cases.

[1073] So in the Kimberly Leach case, he decided he would be the lawyer.

[1074] And at one point, he called former co -worker Carol Boone to the stand.

[1075] And then in the middle of the court case, he proposed marriage to Carol Boone.

[1076] She said yes, everybody.

[1077] She said yes.

[1078] Really?

[1079] Oh, yeah.

[1080] Oh, my.

[1081] They actually had a conjugal visit, and he has a daughter.

[1082] Let's not, no. Or he could be the grandfather.

[1083] We don't know.

[1084] But the good news is he was convicted on all counts, and he was sentenced to death, and on January 24th of 1989, Ted Bundy was executed in the electric chair in Florida.

[1085] Yeah.

[1086] He had confessed to 30 murders, but it is estimated that there's a chance that he is responsible for the death of over a hundred women.

[1087] Whoa.

[1088] It's fucking crazy.

[1089] And here's a slight upturn, not great, but whatever.

[1090] Oh, first of all, Ted Bundy claimed that porn is the reason that he became a serial killer.

[1091] I'm just saying, watch yourselves.

[1092] We know what you're up to.

[1093] Everybody's so cavalier about porn these days.

[1094] Well, it made Ted Bundy.

[1095] But from Death Row when they were looking for the Green River killer Ted Bundy contacted Detective Dave Reichert This is some local shit, huh?

[1096] We hate Dave Reichert too We're arrested right outside the theater It was a setup!

[1097] Anyhow, however you feel about him, Ted Bundy called him and said, I can help you catch the Green River killer, because I know how these motherfuckers think, and then he did.

[1098] What?

[1099] Clearly there's a problem with that.

[1100] I don't know.

[1101] I don't know what's going on.

[1102] I bet it has to do with the Green River Killer.

[1103] Oh.

[1104] So's my mom.

[1105] So is everybody's mom.

[1106] And I still hate her, so.

[1107] Now we move into the Trump portion of the show.

[1108] Wrong.

[1109] Oh, you.

[1110] Well, we'll cap it off with this.

[1111] Anne Rule had the best quote.

[1112] She said, people like Ted can fool you completely.

[1113] I'd been a cop.

[1114] I had all that psychology, but his mask was perfect.

[1115] I say that long acquaintance can help you know someone, but you can never really be sure.

[1116] Yeah, that's it.

[1117] That's Ted Bundy.

[1118] That's your guy.

[1119] Amazing.

[1120] That's it.

[1121] Do we have time?

[1122] I don't know.

[1123] That's it, right?

[1124] Yeah.

[1125] I think that's it, you guys.

[1126] Yeah, that's everyone thing.

[1127] Thank you so much for coming out to this show.

[1128] Yeah, and thanks for being part of this.

[1129] That was super, super fun.

[1130] You guys are, we love it here.

[1131] It was very cool.

[1132] Thank you for being here.

[1133] We're mad at you for yelling us about Dave Ricker, but we'll talk about it a different time.

[1134] Stay sexy.

[1135] And don't get...