LIVE FROM LOS ANGELES: Jason Ritter

[0] It needs It needs bass.

[1] We're in the city of Los Angeles.

[2] Does anybody play bass in the house?

[3] Are there any bass players in the house?

[4] Any bass players around anywhere?

[5] There's some talented people.

[6] Oh, Pete Wentz.

[7] There's a bass player on the house.

[8] That's Pete Wentz from episode 5.

[9] Hey Pete Wentz.

[10] Bob Murvac, episode 16.

[11] Okay, well, I am not holding my own microphone.

[12] I am holding the most special member of our team's microphone.

[13] You know she loves boys.

[14] What was crying just introducing her?

[15] Monica Padman, please come out.

[16] I have one of my very favorite performers ever to be on Parenthood here tonight.

[17] He's frustratingly charismatic, more so than myself.

[18] His name was Mr. Seer on Parenthood.

[19] Please put your hands together for Jason Ritter, please.

[20] Welcome, Jason Ritter.

[21] Thank you.

[22] Do you guys remember how cute and irresistible Mr. Seer was?

[23] I sure do.

[24] Oh, thanks.

[25] Yeah.

[26] Babe alert.

[27] Thank you.

[28] Fun fact I learned today about Jason, who have now known for, I guess, six, seven years, maybe eight 24 years and he was in the you were in the credit sequence for three's company I was yeah as a baby little boy right as a baby little boy were you a baby girl or boy then I was a little shirtless blonde child in overalls and there's a part where I guess Joyce Stewart is feeding a goat and I broke out of my mom's arms and waddled in.

[29] Okay.

[30] To get closer to the goat or?

[31] I was pretty excited about the goat.

[32] Right.

[33] We were at the zoo.

[34] It was fun.

[35] How did that come about?

[36] I think it was a mistake, but then she laughed and they liked it.

[37] But were you just there, like, visiting the day that, or was it kind of a, like, planned?

[38] I think, I don't really remember, but I think, like, my mom would just take me around.

[39] We would, like, go to his, she went to every taping.

[40] of three's companies.

[41] Oh, really?

[42] For seven years.

[43] Yeah, yeah.

[44] I can't get Chris.

[45] I don't think Kristen's here.

[46] She is.

[47] She's here.

[48] She's very supportive.

[49] Go ahead.

[50] You can say hi, Mama.

[51] You can come out.

[52] That was like Beatles level.

[53] Yeah, that was Beatles level.

[54] Yeah, that's the difference between a real celebrity and...

[55] I just went from almost crying and being grateful to be resentful and thinking about finding a divorce attorney.

[56] Yep.

[57] Does anyone know, is there any divorce attorneys in the house?

[58] Anyways.

[59] Maybe Jason will have that effect on people.

[60] No, I didn't even know it was real.

[61] I saw those videos, you know, the people who were like, they're like passing out.

[62] Oh, we just lost four people.

[63] Yeah, yeah.

[64] You can't see because of the house lights but people are being removed on stretchers for sure.

[65] Some people were smart and brought oxygen with them, anticipating that this might happen.

[66] Yeah.

[67] But your mom really went to every single one.

[68] She did, yeah.

[69] You can actually, I can hear her.

[70] her laugh sometimes.

[71] You're kidding.

[72] Yeah, she has like a very distinctive laugh and I can pick it out.

[73] You said it sounds like a donkey getting choked, right?

[74] Yes, exactly.

[75] I'm like, get her out of here.

[76] Who is that?

[77] No, I'm coming to everyone.

[78] Howl a monkey.

[79] But you're from a long, you're actually, if Wikipedia is right, which is about half the time, your third generation actor yeah yeah yeah that's weird it is weird yeah that's gross it's basically what he said it is bizarre yeah my grandfather was a a singing cowboy in the third text Ritter if this motherfucker wasn't a singing cowboy with the name text Ritter what a waste of opportunity and did you call him grandpa text or I actually never met him He passed away before I was born.

[80] Jesus, great.

[81] Dax.

[82] Anything else I should know about before he could do you?

[83] So you didn't meet Tex, but Tex was a country.

[84] And he's in the country Western Music Hall of Fame.

[85] Yes, yes, he is, yeah.

[86] And what does that entitle him to?

[87] Do you know?

[88] Is there, it's just a...

[89] You get a plaque and you get...

[90] I don't...

[91] I'm not in it, so I don't know.

[92] You'll learn when you...

[93] I'll find out.

[94] I'll find out for us during our fact check.

[95] On the fact check, explain everything that happens to someone indicted.

[96] Get, get loose.

[97] I tried to, no, it's not, nothing is very exciting about it.

[98] I just spit up to you.

[99] Your knees are freezing?

[100] No, I don't know what.

[101] I wore too many layers.

[102] I forgot there's going to be.

[103] I forgot it was going to be indoors.

[104] Yeah.

[105] Do you think we were doing this in the parking lot of Largo?

[106] I hadn't seen you in a while.

[107] Yeah, you don't know where my career's been.

[108] Fair assumption, there's like a mattress warehouse super close -out sale.

[109] But granddad texts, God bless his soul, he passed.

[110] Before you were in the mix.

[111] But grandma...

[112] I'm sorry.

[113] My granddad's dead as well.

[114] Yeah.

[115] That doesn't make it okay.

[116] To talk and speak ill of granddad.

[117] No, I disagree.

[118] If he said like, hey, yeah, I got prostate cancer.

[119] Yeah, me too.

[120] Get over it.

[121] Anything you have, you're like, yeah, I know, I got it too.

[122] Whatever.

[123] On to the next thing.

[124] But Dorothy Faye.

[125] That's my grandmother, yeah.

[126] Yeah, and she married Tex. She married Tex. But she was with us for a little longer, I'm assuming.

[127] She was with us for a lot longer.

[128] She was also an actor back in the day.

[129] Right.

[130] Yeah, they did a couple movies together and stuff like that.

[131] And that's, that was obviously your dad's folks.

[132] My dad's folks, yeah.

[133] Be weird if your mom's dad's name was Tex Ritter.

[134] That would be weird.

[135] Or your parents were related.

[136] Something.

[137] But so...

[138] I'm going to do this.

[139] I've decided.

[140] Okay.

[141] Thank you.

[142] It's better.

[143] I predict in about six minutes that decision's going to change.

[144] Bring Bob back out and do a theme song for when you change your mind.

[145] Yeah.

[146] But, so what will be hard for all of us here to understand, and what I think we're all probably curious about is, my goodness, my friend.

[147] He's so uncomfortable.

[148] We've made him so uncomfortable.

[149] If you end up under this fucking couch, I will not be shocked.

[150] I'm trying to.

[151] I wonder if it's better here, if the seat is better.

[152] No, no, this is great.

[153] I'm just figuring it out.

[154] Text Ritter is so pissed at you right now in heaven.

[155] He's watching down and he's like, God damn it, son.

[156] Just sit in the fucking chair.

[157] It's a chair.

[158] Sit in it.

[159] You're going to get me kicked out of the Country Music Hall of Fame posthumously.

[160] No, I never.

[161] No. But I think what probably none of us can relate to and then in our fantasy, it's a much different experience, albeit it's probably not.

[162] You're pulling focus, Jason.

[163] This is something you did on parenthood.

[164] I shouldn't be shocked you're doing in here.

[165] You inherited your father's great physical comedy.

[166] Perfect for a podcast.

[167] You should see what I'm doing with this mic, you guys, at home.

[168] Ritter's on one hand, upside down.

[169] And he's holding the mic with his butt cheeks right now.

[170] Which is hard to do.

[171] Give me some credit.

[172] There's only three actors in the country that can do it.

[173] Thank you.

[174] So I guess for me, when I think of your life as grandma and grandpa are, you know, successful actors.

[175] And then your parents are successful actors.

[176] I guess I have a fantasy of what that's like but now that I'm raising kids and their parents are actors I guess I don't think their childhood seems so different than mine did I mean we live in a much nicer house and stuff but were you how aware of the uniqueness of that childhood were you did you just assume like every kid's granddad's in the Hall of Fame No well I I think you know I think you It takes a while for any child to realize that people have different sort of, like, lives than you start to get, become aware of things at different times.

[177] But, yeah, for initially, I didn't know anything was strange.

[178] You know, we would be walking around somewhere and someone would come up and tell my dad that they, like, loved him or something.

[179] And I'd be like, yeah, me too.

[180] We all do.

[181] You know, I just sort of was like, of course.

[182] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[183] Yeah, and the only thing that I guess I really did think that somehow he was like, I think it was a combination of not fully understanding how the technology worked and also seeing like, honey, I shrunk the kids and stuff like that.

[184] I thought he was shrinking down and walking into, because sitcoms are usually shot like...

[185] Oh, that's so cute.

[186] You know, there's not a lot of, like, close.

[187] It looks like kind of like a little shoebox diorama.

[188] Right, right.

[189] So I did think he was shrinking down.

[190] You thought he was shape -shifting to be on.

[191] And I do remember the first time that he was, like, there on the screen and in the room.

[192] And I was like, bleh.

[193] How?

[194] But, yeah, then, yeah, very soon I started to realize that.

[195] Well, you start spending the night at other kids' houses, right?

[196] Yeah.

[197] Like, that guy's like a banker or whatever the hell he was.

[198] Yeah, I did start to, I started to realize.

[199] You start to take slumbers at.

[200] at Stranger's Homes.

[201] Yeah, I did start to take some.

[202] Which is his own unique experience as a kid, isn't it?

[203] It is, yeah.

[204] Because people's houses smell different than yours.

[205] Yeah, they can be a bummer.

[206] They can, yeah, they can be.

[207] Or great.

[208] What's that?

[209] Or great.

[210] Or great.

[211] But I just, the ones that stand out of my head are like, I walk in there and think, am I going to be able to get through this sleepover?

[212] Like it smells like gym socks and bacon and baked beans.

[213] Can I do it?

[214] There was one night where I was staying at my friend's house and I had a lot of asthma as a kid growing up and I forgot my inhaler this night.

[215] I usually had it in my fanny pack.

[216] And I had it with me at all times, but I went to his house and we fell asleep and I woke up and I had an asthma attack and I, you know, usually I would wake up my parents but I didn't know what the protocol was at his house.

[217] So I wandered around the house for like three hours, like a creepy little ghost.

[218] I was like, Oh, my good.

[219] Just like waiting for someone in the house to wake up and just kind of getting hungrier and just like, if anyone saw me, it would have been terrifying because I just was like ambling around.

[220] They would know there was a possession or so.

[221] The spirit possession in the middle.

[222] Yeah.

[223] Finally, they're like, his mom woke up and she's like, she was clutching her.

[224] I probably did scare her in hindsight.

[225] But yeah, she was like, are you?

[226] Mantily clad?

[227] No, she had like a robe on.

[228] She must have heard, like...

[229] She had like a...

[230] A chilly robe on.

[231] She pulled it right out of the icebox and she went into it.

[232] Yeah, she caught me looking in the fridge, too.

[233] It was like, after three hours, I was like, I'm getting hungry.

[234] This is inappropriate.

[235] And then as soon as I opened the fridge, like a manifestation of, like, my secret shame that I was hungry, she was like, what are you doing?

[236] No, she wasn't mad, but she helped me. If you did walk into your kitchen and you just saw the back of a...

[237] a boy with the fridge open, and you heard, you think he was masturbating into the ham or something.

[238] Oh, my God.

[239] I was seven.

[240] Oh, okay.

[241] All right.

[242] And that is what I was doing, but how dare you?

[243] I wasn't.

[244] I wasn't.

[245] Very mature of you to masturbate into a ham before 14.

[246] Thank you.

[247] How did that resolve itself?

[248] Did you die?

[249] No. I survived.

[250] She took me home.

[251] I got my inhaler.

[252] Came back?

[253] No, I didn't come back.

[254] Okay.

[255] But I did remember my inhaler from that point on.

[256] Yeah.

[257] That just means me think did you have an orthodontia?

[258] Did you have braces?

[259] I did have braces.

[260] I had a retainer.

[261] Yeah.

[262] And did you lose that retainer a bit?

[263] No, I had the same retainer until it just stopped fitting me anymore.

[264] And I would just jam.

[265] I would like be in a adult, and I'd be like, oh, yeah, these, uh, my teeth are getting a little spaced apart.

[266] Or something.

[267] Uh, yeah.

[268] I love that retainer.

[269] Well, we, we had a modest budget at our house, and I left it on a tray at a restaurant in Phoenix, Arizona, on a family vacation at Flaky Jakes across from ASU.

[270] And, um, and I, I threw that away.

[271] And then I realized in the car, oh, my, I forgot my retainer.

[272] and then my mom and my stepdad, the one that were named Nameless, but it was not the kindest, most patient gentleman.

[273] They dug through like 12 trash bags and back, and they didn't find it.

[274] Just like in the movie Parenthood, the kid loses his retainer, and Mary Steenburgeon and Steve Martin dig through the trash.

[275] That's our show, you guys.

[276] There we go.

[277] Bye -bye.

[278] Yeah, no, it's, yeah.

[279] Yeah, I mean, just, and they were at it for like an hour.

[280] Did they find it?

[281] No. No, no, no, no. Completely fruitless endeavor.

[282] But I was just in the car like, how bad is this going to be?

[283] Like, the longer they're digging in trash, I'm assuming the worst the penalty is going to be.

[284] And they were just headed for a long, long time.

[285] And then they gave up.

[286] And then they gave up.

[287] Yeah.

[288] And then I got a new trouble.

[289] Say what?

[290] What was the punishment?

[291] It was about a four -hour lecture from, by the way, this was actually a turning point in my life.

[292] I thanked him for it.

[293] It was one of the nicer things.

[294] He sat me down for about four hours and said, As you proceed through life, you should be thinking about what's coming next.

[295] When I watch you, and you're making a sandwich, you seem to be like, I should open this drawer.

[296] Oh, I should grab that item.

[297] Like, you need to think about every step that's coming your way so that you can just move through life efficiently.

[298] And so when you take this thing out, you should think, well, I shouldn't put it on the item that's going in the trash can.

[299] I should probably put it somewhere that's not going to end up in.

[300] You know what I'm saying?

[301] I should start doing that The way you just described making a sandwich I'm like, yes, what's wrong with that?

[302] That is exactly Sounds normal Your process is you get the peanut butter out You load it up with peanut butter on the knife And then you're like, bread Is it have you done that?

[303] Yeah Yeah But learning lessons How jacked were your teeth?

[304] They were Well, I actually I remember Just right now Let me just start there Thank you very much They look great.

[305] They were, I actually was a, I had to, when I got my teeth fixed or even just the braces on, I had to kind of readjust my whole thing because I used to be able to make people laugh just by smiling.

[306] Oh, okay.

[307] Because I had four teeth that were just like this.

[308] It's like spaces in between this and this.

[309] And so I would do a thing where I would do a thing where I would.

[310] I go to the water fountain, and I go, one straight out and two at exactly 45 angles.

[311] Oh, wow.

[312] And it was a part of my...

[313] Yeah.

[314] And it was a part of my personality.

[315] I felt like, yeah, like, I could just sort of smile, and they'd be like, look at that, dopey guy.

[316] And then it changed my personality to...

[317] Oh, I loved it.

[318] Most people would be like this, like walking around like this and drinking from the fountain privately.

[319] But now you put on a...

[320] A water show.

[321] I did.

[322] I really enjoyed my weird space.

[323] Well, I similarly, it looked like God just took all my teeth and chucked them at my face and they just went, and just landed, and then just popped me in the lower in the mandible and suck it back.

[324] So I had a gigantic overbite.

[325] Oh.

[326] And then just teeth everywhere.

[327] It was disgusting.

[328] I didn't feel like you did about those teeth.

[329] No. I remember when people weren't looking, like you'd have that big science book, you know, it's like this thick.

[330] Yeah.

[331] Like when no one was looking at, I would be like, and I would shove it and I could get a science book in that gap.

[332] Wow.

[333] It was a good two and a half inch overbite.

[334] Wow.

[335] And then I'd be like, if someone looked over, I'd pull my science book out of my teeth.

[336] But I was in orthodontia for like 13 years.

[337] Do you like that?

[338] I call it orthodontia.

[339] I do like it.

[340] I've never heard that before.

[341] It's unscientific.

[342] But yeah, about 13 years and...

[343] Jeez.

[344] Yes.

[345] Just from like second grade to senior year.

[346] Wow.

[347] Fucking brutal.

[348] Shockingly, I have dreams that my teeth fall out nearly every night.

[349] I believe it.

[350] Yeah, because they were just getting just ratcheted at all times.

[351] Gosh.

[352] So you're growing up with your father's very successful, and your mother's also an actress, and she was actually in Grand Theft Auto with Ron Howard.

[353] Another parenthood callback.

[354] Yes, yes.

[355] There'll be nine more, count them.

[356] Does she play the video game?

[357] She never did.

[358] I did quite a lot.

[359] But, yeah, no, it was way before that video.

[360] I think it was Ron's directorial debut.

[361] Yeah.

[362] That's right.

[363] So at what age do you start thinking, oh, yeah, I think I want to go into the family business?

[364] I was pretty young initially when I wanted to.

[365] And then as I became like a teenager and I started to get a little bit more self -aware, I was very suspicious of my child.

[366] childhood self.

[367] I was like, you just wanted attention and all that.

[368] You were already like self -analyzing that much?

[369] Oh, yeah.

[370] Yeah.

[371] Wow.

[372] I, I've, over the course of my life, I've done a lot of that.

[373] A nice deep dive on you.

[374] Yes.

[375] Yeah.

[376] Okay.

[377] And, um, and you were suspicious that like, oh, I don't want to do this for the right reason.

[378] I just want attention.

[379] Is that what you're saying?

[380] Yeah.

[381] I, I kind of thought that.

[382] And then it was only towards the end of high school where I started to get a little bit less shy, uh, that I, excuse me, that I went out and I tried to do it.

[383] Also, your teeth look great at that point.

[384] So you're like, who's going to want to look at me?

[385] That's true.

[386] They looked better than they did before.

[387] And what was their reaction?

[388] Were they supportive of it right out of the gates?

[389] They were, well, they were supportive of it in a way of like, this is, you know, they weren't like, you can do anything and everything is fine.

[390] They were like, you really want to do it?

[391] All right.

[392] Here's the books you have to read.

[393] Here's the performances you have to watch.

[394] It's a art form, you know.

[395] learn about it.

[396] And I was like, oh, I thought this would be easy.

[397] Never mind.

[398] Yeah, yeah.

[399] And, um, but...

[400] You put some water out of your mouth.

[401] Yeah.

[402] That's not enough?

[403] They're like, not anymore.

[404] Um, yeah, so I, they, they sort of, they took me seriously and also, but also made me, um, want to, like, look at myself.

[405] And, you know, I think they wanted to make sure that I really was saying, I want to be an actor and not like, I just want to, like, be interviews or something like that.

[406] Yeah, yeah.

[407] Yeah, exactly.

[408] That's legit.

[409] Because I find, I think I've talked about this before, but if I do find it's very weird that a lot of our actor friends who have children are like, I do not want them to do this job.

[410] And I'm like, you don't want them to go somewhere and, like, crack people up and then get a huge paycheck at the end of the day.

[411] Why?

[412] Isn't that the best job you could have?

[413] There's no lifting.

[414] I mean, they make you lift something occasionally in the scene.

[415] but, you know, people that are nice to you.

[416] Oh, no, it's back in.

[417] Ah!

[418] Oh, no. Try to do it subtly.

[419] I do think that, I think that what they're scared of is that your child is saying, especially if they are actors themselves, your child is saying, potentially, I want to open myself up to a lifetime of rejection.

[420] And also, where you're, it's a strange art form, Because unlike painting or photography or music or anything, the final product is so close to yourself that when, you know, it's not like, here's my painting.

[421] And someone's like, it sucks.

[422] And you can go, that painting sucks.

[423] I'm okay.

[424] It's harder when you don't get stuff over and over and over again to not be like something is wrong with me and the way that I interact with.

[425] I just did a 180.

[426] I think all those people are right.

[427] No one should go into this terrible profession.

[428] I think people should do, if they really do have a passion for it, but I think that's the key that you want to sort of differentiate, like, yeah, I don't know.

[429] And you took it seriously, and you went to NYU for acting, right?

[430] Yes, I did.

[431] And my bride was there at that time, right?

[432] Did you fuck my wife, Jason Ritter?

[433] You piece of shit.

[434] That's right, motherfucker.

[435] you here just to call you out.

[436] Why'd you fuck my wife, bro?

[437] I certainly did not.

[438] We were friends 15 years after that.

[439] What the fuck?

[440] I certainly did not.

[441] You would be so thrilled to find out they did.

[442] I would.

[443] You would love it.

[444] I'd absolutely love it.

[445] It would just be ammo for me to tease her.

[446] This is all I'm really after at this point.

[447] I will say that...

[448] Do you remember her?

[449] Yes, I do remember her.

[450] Okay.

[451] Everyone had a crush on your wife.

[452] Those motherfuckers.

[453] And you know these dude's names?

[454] You got their number?

[455] Oh, yeah, I got them all, dude.

[456] Well, she did go on a date with Jake Gillinghall.

[457] You heard it here first.

[458] What's that?

[459] I don't think I'm talking out of school.

[460] I think she's admitted that before.

[461] But I think they went on a date.

[462] Okay, I don't know.

[463] He was a piece of ass even then, right?

[464] Girls liked him.

[465] Did you know Jake Gyllenhaal?

[466] Yes, I did, yes.

[467] Are you saying the wrong thing?

[468] No, I'm saying the correct thing.

[469] Oh, okay, okay.

[470] You looked like maybe...

[471] I'm just feeling embarrassed I asked in that.

[472] Like, it's just becoming like...

[473] And did you know, Zach?

[474] I don't know.

[475] Who do you know that's famous?

[476] No, I did, I did know him.

[477] I didn't know that they went on a date.

[478] Oh, okay.

[479] Yeah, because you would have told me, right?

[480] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[481] Hey, nice to meet you.

[482] I just want to tell you that.

[483] Well, 29 years ago, I went to school.

[484] with your wife, and she went on some dates.

[485] But you were aware of her.

[486] Yes, we were not in the same class, but she was...

[487] Because she was doing musical theater, and you were doing, like, stage.

[488] I was doing, I can't dance or sing theater.

[489] Okay.

[490] That's where I would have landed, too.

[491] Yeah.

[492] So we didn't have a lot of crossover, but I did...

[493] We did have some mutual friends, and, yeah, she was amazing and sweet.

[494] then as much as she is now.

[495] She's an incredible person.

[496] Yeah, I agree with that.

[497] But why didn't you ask her out?

[498] Sincerely.

[499] And she was this shiny hot slice of tush.

[500] What the hell were you waiting for?

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[505] Were you in a relationship that whole time?

[506] Because you're a serial monogamous.

[507] You've had a lot of long term.

[508] I was, in my sophomore year, I had my sort of first relationship.

[509] I think I did meet her in my freshman year.

[510] But I also, I never quit.

[511] quite figured out how to like start a conversation.

[512] To carpe diem?

[513] Yeah, yeah.

[514] Nope.

[515] Not me. So you weren't...

[516] That blows my mind because I've witnessed, I've been in your presence many times around females and they really like you.

[517] Like, they like you so much, I'm mad when we're together because you're magic and sparkly like Kristen Bell.

[518] Like, Monica watches parenthood every night to go to sleep.

[519] Still.

[520] Even still.

[521] And what would you rank?

[522] your Mr. Sear crush out of 10.

[523] Ben.

[524] You guys.

[525] Full -blown 10.

[526] I'm embarrassed, but it is true.

[527] In fact, I feel like I had a really good thing going on parenthood until you arrived.

[528] Oh, yeah.

[529] Crossby got knocked down.

[530] Yeah, yeah.

[531] Even on set, I was like, oh, I'm the kind of left -to -center, fun, misfit.

[532] Oh, great.

[533] Look at this guy.

[534] He's...

[535] They seem to be...

[536] So charming and nice.

[537] I know.

[538] It's really...

[539] But I have to imagine sincerely that girls liked you all through school and stuff, right?

[540] Were you just unaware of it?

[541] I have been told that I was unaware of some things.

[542] But I also, I, yeah, I don't.

[543] I mean, I was just bad.

[544] I couldn't.

[545] Do you think it's because your general self -awareness is lower your self -esteem was low?

[546] I think a little bit of both.

[547] I think a little bit of both.

[548] A nice cocktail of both.

[549] My nightmare of all time would be to, like, misread a clue.

[550] So I would always err on the side of, like, that was a friendly remark.

[551] Right.

[552] And I could never really, I was too scared to put myself.

[553] I think fell off.

[554] That probably makes the most sense in this situation.

[555] O 'CAM's razor.

[556] That shirt fell off.

[557] Yeah.

[558] Yeah, well, yes, I just couldn't figure out how to start a conversation or I would be like, let me put in a full year of very subtle flirting.

[559] Let me sit three seats away because my friend told me that this science class were being put into groups of three.

[560] And if I sit here, then I'll be in a project with her.

[561] Maybe I'll make her laugh once or twice in three years.

[562] You started in ninth grade because you're like, I'm going to senior prom with her.

[563] I'm on the perfect timeline to be Debbie to senior prom.

[564] It was basically like that.

[565] So is it safe to say then the relationships you ended up in these gals made the first move?

[566] Or they asked you out?

[567] Yes, yes.

[568] Or they roofied you, I guess?

[569] No one in the 90s?

[570] No one did that.

[571] But yes, there were, Yeah, certainly most of my first sort of things...

[572] Leaisons.

[573] Took me by surprise.

[574] Okay.

[575] Is it too personal?

[576] Not in like a bad way.

[577] Is it too personal last when you got sexually active?

[578] What age?

[579] You can say yes, it's too personal.

[580] Yeah, yeah, that's a totally good thing.

[581] I'll tell you.

[582] Nothing's too personal for you.

[583] I, well, what do you?

[584] Well, you could do a...

[585] A man or a woman.

[586] You know, like, there could be two ages.

[587] I...

[588] You don't have any.

[589] I can tell you don't want to answer.

[590] I lost my virginity sophomore year of college.

[591] Okay.

[592] Oh, the guys.

[593] That makes me like you a lot even more.

[594] You really didn't make a first move.

[595] No. Because you're so cute and funny and likable.

[596] I thought for sure you would have been like a two short song or something in high school.

[597] No, I...

[598] Okay, so sophomore year in college.

[599] It was weird because, like, you...

[600] I remember my roommate and I who had similar sort of success.

[601] Not too much.

[602] We were in high school and we were like, college is where we've heard of.

[603] And then both of us made it all the way through freshman year.

[604] Yeah, at any point, do you start panicking?

[605] Like, oh, wow, this timeline is...

[606] Yes, I did.

[607] And in fact, at a certain point...

[608] Actually, at a certain point, I had like this big kind of realization because I had I had really been feeling uh horny incomplete horny as fuck for eight years straight I had like this you know it was like a pressure it was like um it was like this pressure and it was like welling and then there was like there was some stiffness and it was kind of all consuming yeah yeah exactly No, I have been going around being like, I need someone else to, I, you know, like, I was putting so much focus and attention on it.

[609] And it was really driving me crazy.

[610] Right.

[611] And it was really frustrating.

[612] And it could start to become a thing.

[613] It had started to really, like, eat away at me. Yes.

[614] And then in sophomore year, I was like, actually, you know what?

[615] I don't care.

[616] I'm going to be.

[617] I'm going to make myself happy, and I'm just, I don't.

[618] Like I've been doing since 1994.

[619] No, I was like, I'm going to, there's no way to say that without it sounding like I, um.

[620] Touched myself, which I never had done.

[621] No, I've heard about it.

[622] You're waiting for your hand to hit, hit on you.

[623] I don't want to misread.

[624] You just keep staring at your hand like, Hey, so are you ready for the tests on Friday?

[625] Look at this.

[626] What are we going to do about this?

[627] That's cumbersome.

[628] Oh, gosh.

[629] Oh, my gosh.

[630] Oh, boy, it's moving.

[631] Oh, boy, this could be something.

[632] Oh, gosh.

[633] I actually...

[634] And then so after all that, like, kind of obsessing about it, then did it just all of a sudden come out of nowhere and just happened?

[635] Yes, kind of.

[636] Yes, it did.

[637] I can talk to you about sex for the rest of my life.

[638] And I would have like your third story out of you by the end of our life.

[639] Yes.

[640] Were you nervous about telling the gal?

[641] Because at this point, you're 20 years old, right?

[642] Yeah.

[643] Yeah, so are you nervous to go like...

[644] 19.

[645] 20.

[646] 20.

[647] I'm trying to, yeah.

[648] Was that, did that become something?

[649] You're like, oh my gosh, now I got, I'm going to have to tell this person like I've never done it?

[650] Or is your game plan to go, like, act like you've done it a bunch?

[651] And then later, post -coital, go.

[652] So anyways, that was fun in my first time.

[653] Sure?

[654] She knew it was my first time.

[655] I think, yeah.

[656] You told her ahead of time.

[657] I think I did.

[658] Okay.

[659] That's great.

[660] It was a long time ago now, but I, yes.

[661] There's so many partners, too, between then and now.

[662] It's like, how do you keep it?

[663] I wish I was half the person you are.

[664] You're such a good, wonderful person.

[665] No, I...

[666] I'll tell you what happened.

[667] Text Ritter just smiled his ass off in heaven.

[668] He was mad about how you were sitting in the couch, but now he's really proud of you.

[669] Oh, good.

[670] Thank you.

[671] They just reinstated him into the country.

[672] Western Hall of thing.

[673] Next to Tammy Wynette and whoever else is in there.

[674] Oh, I'm even hotter than I was before I took this thing off.

[675] Now, the one thing I did wonder is, did you have any hang -ups or issues or just, like, kind of internal mental racket about becoming an actor and trying to stake out your own identity and being in your father's shadow?

[676] Like, is that something you thought about a lot, or you were, that wasn't an issue for you?

[677] It would come and go.

[678] There was, I have a part of my personality that's very, like, stubborn and just will sort of put my foot down, especially when it comes to my own behaviors and things like that.

[679] And I was determined, when I decided I wanted to be an actor, I was sort of determined to either succeed or fail on my own.

[680] I would have been I saw people kind of like just kind of get stuff and go and I saw all the other actors be like well we know how that guy got that part and they all hated that person I was like well all right I'm gonna just so I started to like audition for things and yeah initially it was it was well it was nice and tough at the same time yeah it's a double -edged sword right yeah because my people like my dad no people love love love love love your dad yeah he's one of them so it was you know I thank you very much I did too, yeah.

[681] You know what's really weird is prior to doing this interview with you, you and I have been friends for a long time, and we've had a bazillion conversations, and I've never spoken to you about your dad, because I've always been like, I don't know, like, when people are children of someone really famous, inevitably a lot of people in their lives are interested in that.

[682] And I didn't want to ever be that person, but then because we never spoke about your dad for eight years, then I was like, well, I wonder if he doesn't enjoy talking about his dad, and then I was curious to find out about that tonight.

[683] No, it was not.

[684] I guess the thing that was difficult initially was, you know, I would go to camp or I would go to a place where people didn't know me and I'd be trying to make friends and having a certain amount of success and some not successful, you know, friendship making.

[685] And then there would be this moment where people would kind of find out.

[686] Yeah.

[687] And then I would, like, there'd be people coming up to me and being like, hell, myself, hey.

[688] Yeah, yeah.

[689] Is your dad coming on?

[690] Mike Mitchell.

[691] Yeah.

[692] I'm in Bunk C. And people...

[693] Did you get a cribbage partner?

[694] Have you picked one yet?

[695] People get better at hiding that stuff as you get older, but when you're a child, like, their excitement was so true, and I could read it, and then I could see...

[696] But it felt like they liked me not with anything to do with me. 100%.

[697] So I would, like, accept their friendship in a way, but I would also kind of remember that they weren't very nice to me before.

[698] And I could just tell.

[699] And my meter for detecting kind of that sort of energy got pretty high.

[700] Right.

[701] So weird though is that even, I can only imagine how confusing it could be because that certainly could be initially why someone was drawn to you because you were too shy to go introduce yourself or right.

[702] But then five seconds after meeting you, Jason Ritter, who I know, like you could just genuinely be in love with you and then so the whole thing could be confusing in your head like it could actually it's like in a movie where the undercover cops got to fall in love with the dude and then he does and then she really does but then he doesn't know right exactly that's kind of your life that was your life you were like the mob boss exactly yeah I know it was certainly probably a great majority of the time did turn into something just very genuine but but it started on that foot and just very confusing I don't know how you'd navigate that.

[703] I mean there would definitely be times also where like I would have to look at my reaction to them and my sort of judgments about like they're eight like sorry they're excited and I'm like how that's your shallow you know it's not you star fucker you eight year old star fucker but it did it was it was confusing because you sort of want to have an idea that people, I mean, some people are fine with that.

[704] I know people who are like, well, there's also celebrities that are fine with that.

[705] Totally.

[706] Yeah, it's awesome.

[707] They can really enjoy that and embrace that and they're not questioning why.

[708] For sure, for sure.

[709] Yeah, I just, for some reason, I always, I always like made me go on my back foot a little bit.

[710] Sure.

[711] But there would be times where I would go on for an audition and someone, they would be like, your dad was so funny and everything that.

[712] that he said we were rolling on the ground.

[713] He just was like comedy gold.

[714] And then I would do my audition.

[715] Things would be shaking.

[716] And I'd get to the first joke and I'd look up and no one's rolling on the ground or having fun.

[717] Okay, yeah.

[718] Out there, it's Tuesday.

[719] In here, it's Friday.

[720] At TGIF Friday.

[721] It's always Friday.

[722] Friday.

[723] That was a real audition I had to do.

[724] When I would lob a joke out there and it wouldn't get a laugh, I would feel like a wave of like generational shame just all down my body like all my ancestors was like that's embarrassing you shouldn't have nipped this in the butt a long time ago he didn't get it do you think that experience made you sort of generally less trusting or like guarded?

[725] I think it just well it was interesting because a lot of the the jobs that I got originally were more dramatic roles because any time I had to do something funny, it would be like, let's have all of my insecurities just pile on right before I go into a room.

[726] And so, yeah, I only, like, recently, I feel like I've, you know...

[727] Start enjoying doing comedy.

[728] Yeah, exactly.

[729] Yeah, I guess it'd be like if you were Michael Jordan's son and you were like, you were damn good basketball player, but you're not fucking Mike Jordan, maybe switch to baseball.

[730] Yeah.

[731] This is kind of what you did.

[732] You focused on drama, right?

[733] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[734] I mean, it was also just...

[735] In your cells, are you more drawn to comedy or drama?

[736] I don't know.

[737] You know what I really loved is...

[738] Dramity.

[739] Parenthood.

[740] No, but I mean, like, that thing where it's...

[741] That, to me, is the most like life where you're like, that was funny.

[742] I'm crying my head off.

[743] And it's all kind of mixed together.

[744] That, to me, reminds me of the experience that I recognize.

[745] Yeah.

[746] It's kind of why Bill Murray is my favorite comedian doing dramatic work.

[747] Because he never pretends he's not funny and unique and charming.

[748] Even if he's in a very heavy movie, he doesn't pretend he's not that thing.

[749] Yeah.

[750] And people like him are in real life terrible situations and they still, you know, I just went through one.

[751] And my role in my family is the court jester.

[752] Like I'm cracking jokes at terrible times.

[753] Oh, yeah.

[754] part of real, real life.

[755] Yeah.

[756] You know?

[757] It's a best time to break that tension.

[758] So you went from NYU then to Royal Academy of Dramatic acting in line.

[759] Is that?

[760] Dramatic arts.

[761] Dramatic arts.

[762] It doesn't really.

[763] Yeah.

[764] For one semester, I went there.

[765] Oh, like a study abroad thing?

[766] Yeah.

[767] It was a study abroad thing.

[768] And I, you know, I was really scared of it.

[769] And I tried to, I had like a little rule in my.

[770] brain since eighth grade where if something scared me I would try to look at what I was scared of and if it wasn't like physical harm if it was more like emotional or like I could be embarrassed especially if it was I'm just scared of being embarrassed I would force myself to do it to try to get out of my shyness which felt like a well I started to feel well actually this is what it wasn't even I started to get really oppressed by the word, like, by people being cool.

[771] That was like a thing in the 90s.

[772] I don't know if anybody, but being cool and like being, like, which seemed to me to mean like nothing is quite good enough.

[773] Everything's not great.

[774] You're over it.

[775] You're kind of like, and for me, I was, I always was kind of like, did you see this thing?

[776] Yeah, yeah, enthusiastic.

[777] So I got told to take a lot of chill pills and stuff.

[778] That's been the worst thing you could hear in the 90s too.

[779] Yeah, dude.

[780] Just take a chill pill.

[781] Yeah, exactly.

[782] You're like, oh my goodness, what have I done?

[783] Yeah, what?

[784] This is terrible.

[785] Exactly.

[786] What full power did I make?

[787] But was London a party?

[788] I was...

[789] Could you could drink, right?

[790] You could go into, you were going into pubs and stuff?

[791] Yes, we were going into pubs.

[792] Yeah, there's a lot of drinking over there.

[793] Uh -huh.

[794] And societally, the roles are reversed over there.

[795] No one will believe this, but Monacoa fact check it.

[796] But I learned this in an anthropology class.

[797] during World War II, an inordinate amount of English females got pregnant from American GI soldiers.

[798] But the American women did not get pregnant from the English soldiers.

[799] And so they did a study on why that was, and they found out that culturally in America, the woman's role is to put the brakes on.

[800] Like, we should wait.

[801] But it's reversed in England.

[802] And it's the man is supposed to say traditionally, let's wait and let's put the brakes on.

[803] So when you got an English woman, an American dude, no one had a brake pedal.

[804] Everyone was just like, fucking Florida!

[805] Oh, wow.

[806] That's not my experience.

[807] But that's because I always...

[808] Well, I was going to tell a different part of the story, but now it was not...

[809] It sounded like I'm bragging.

[810] But I had had a sexual encounter in 11th grade on a snowboard trip to Vermont.

[811] Cool.

[812] With it...

[813] Yeah.

[814] It was awesome.

[815] Yeah, no, I'm, I'm impressed.

[816] But what was happening was I met this gal snowboarding.

[817] She was Jenny.

[818] She was from Manchester, England.

[819] And then that evening she came over to our, like, little condo we were all staying in, and we had some cocktails.

[820] And then the next thing, you know, we're in a walking closet because my buddy's dad was staying in the bedroom.

[821] And it's heavy pettings, turning into this and that.

[822] And then the next thing, I'm just thinking, we're about to do this.

[823] Why isn't she saying anything?

[824] And then we did it.

[825] And for seven years, that was confusing to me. I mean, for seven years, I would think that was such a layup.

[826] Why did it go that way?

[827] And then I had this anthro class, and I found that out.

[828] I was like, oh, my goodness, finally it makes sense.

[829] Wow.

[830] So when did you give her your curated mixtape then?

[831] I'm curious to...

[832] I did send her a mix tape.

[833] Oh, good.

[834] Okay.

[835] There you go.

[836] I became pen pals with her.

[837] Oh.

[838] I'm just going to say her whole name, Jenny Hazleton.

[839] Jenny?

[840] Where are you?

[841] Come on out.

[842] Come on out.

[843] And that was in the winter.

[844] And then we were going to meet in the summer in Florida.

[845] And we did that.

[846] But then she brought her boyfriend.

[847] She warned me about a week before the trip that I had scheduled, my friend Ken Kennedy.

[848] She said, P .S., you know, I'm bringing my boyfriend.

[849] And I'm like, I'm still coming.

[850] You know?

[851] I like road trips and we're still going to Florida.

[852] And then to meet this guy, and his name was.

[853] Pete and he played for the Manchester rugby team.

[854] We were both 17 and we were the same size in general build, medium build, and at one point I thought I'm going to wrestle this guy.

[855] Oh my God.

[856] Which I did on the beach.

[857] It's a good place.

[858] Yeah.

[859] It's ideal for wrestling as a fan.

[860] And I fancyed myself a really good wrestler too.

[861] You should know.

[862] Oh, good.

[863] So in my mind I'm going to have this guy, this turkey in a headlock within 30 seconds Jenny's gonna regret bringing him I've never felt a human being stronger in my life oh wow these rugby players are so strong I've heard that yeah he manhandled me I never felt more powerless in my life I was like oh and then I was like I think I was over the shoulder and then I'm like oh my god his quads are so powerful and he just beat he beat the shit out of me on the beach oh yeah but in a gentleman way because he was English.

[864] Anyways, I'm so sorry that I got down that that little path.

[865] I really like this guy, Pete.

[866] I was in love with him more by the end of the trip.

[867] Surprise, surprise.

[868] So you finish all this schooling.

[869] When you come back and you start working, the first thing I ever saw you in was happy endings.

[870] Oh, yeah.

[871] Which was Don Roos' movie.

[872] Yeah.

[873] Thank you.

[874] Yeah.

[875] There's been a bunch of happy endings.

[876] There's a show.

[877] There may have been a couple of shows.

[878] I think they were fans of the TV show.

[879] I don't want to be.

[880] Okay, fair enough.

[881] Check out the movie.

[882] The movie's fantastic, and then Don Roos wrote and directed it, and we absolutely adore him, right?

[883] He's amazing, yeah.

[884] Yeah, I cannot see it.

[885] He says some of my favorite sayings I've stolen from him.

[886] He said, one time he said, you know, people are always trying to work on their fear, like not be as fearful.

[887] He said, but you know, the world is a scary place.

[888] We did host the Holocaust here, after all.

[889] And I'm like, solid point.

[890] You know?

[891] Yeah.

[892] That wasn't as funny to them as it was to me. When I heard that, I was like, what a, what a take on that.

[893] Yeah, no, he is, he is amazing.

[894] And he does have lots of sage advice and pearls of wisdom all the time.

[895] Yes, yes.

[896] And he wrote Marley and me. That's right.

[897] Yeah, yeah, yeah, for the dog lovers here.

[898] Yeah.

[899] And then, what's the first, like, parenthood you'd already done the event.

[900] Is that right?

[901] Yes, yes.

[902] right.

[903] Okay.

[904] So I want to tell a funny story about...

[905] Actually, no. I did the event during the second season of Parenthood.

[906] Yeah, we kind of lost you.

[907] Yeah.

[908] Yeah.

[909] And not only were you more charismatic than me on the set of Parenthood, which was hard for me to swallow.

[910] That's not true.

[911] You were also the only one of us that got nominated for an Emmy.

[912] That's a crime.

[913] Thank you very much.

[914] But I would like to say that that is an absolute travesty.

[915] There's everyone on that.

[916] show should have been nominated.

[917] I don't, I don't think so.

[918] But it happened to the perfect person.

[919] It really did.

[920] Like, we all collectively agreed at a lunch.

[921] We're like, if it had to be anyone, I'm glad it was ridder.

[922] I don't think we could have handled it if it was one another.

[923] Right.

[924] Or the mom.

[925] Bonnie Badalia.

[926] Oh, yeah.

[927] Yeah.

[928] So it was perfect that it was you.

[929] Oh, I appreciate that.

[930] But at one point, it must have been during the event, because I already knew you, you had done season one, and then they make you do this thing when you're on television show.

[931] They make you go to this thing upfronts in New York.

[932] Yes.

[933] And you go there and you sit on a stage and it's super awkward and everyone that's on an NBC show sits on a stage and there's like ad buyers there or something.

[934] But anyway, suffice to say, they fly everyone out.

[935] And generally when you get to LAX, you're leaving on that trip, that flight to New York and there's a bunch of other actors in the first class lounge.

[936] Yeah.

[937] And you were there.

[938] Yeah.

[939] And it was like a 10 a .m. flight.

[940] And I looked over at you and you were just crushing a big, golden glass of beer.

[941] Like, and it looked so delicious.

[942] Yeah.

[943] And you were just having such a great time.

[944] It was nine in the morning.

[945] And Will Arnett was there.

[946] Yeah.

[947] And you and Will and I ended up in the bathroom together at the same time.

[948] And some guy farted in a manner that I can only imagine I actually still think about this and it makes me laugh every time because I put myself in this guy's shoes and he's at an airport he's also in the lounge like a fancier bathroom he's expecting to have a nice experience and he has to go to the bathroom in a public which is never fun no and then he's just in there and you know he's probably trying to be quiet and then heaven's to murkatoid and he goes all hell breaks loose and Will goes get some like an idiot and I could not stop laughing and I was like I wanted to be like, we're not laughing at you, we're more laughing at, like, the fact, like, you keep doing you.

[949] You're doing great.

[950] And he, and you just understole Will's get some, because he goes, get some.

[951] Like, it was so loud.

[952] Imagine how that guy felt.

[953] I know, I was just like, like this at first.

[954] Get some what?

[955] Gosh.

[956] But, um, I remember, I remember being jealous of you drinking those morning beers, because what a way to start the afternoon.

[957] And then that great get -some moment happened.

[958] Yeah.

[959] And I think I saw that he had a couple more beers on the flight.

[960] Okay.

[961] Yeah.

[962] And I was just really jealous.

[963] And I was like, yeah, I really wish I could be like Jason and just have some pops on the way to New York.

[964] But then...

[965] God.

[966] Yeah.

[967] Uh -huh.

[968] Then Sunday rolled around.

[969] That was like Thursday.

[970] Yeah.

[971] Super jealous of you.

[972] All weekend I was thinking about how casually you were having those beers.

[973] Yeah.

[974] But then Sunday, it was time to check.

[975] out of this hotel and fly back home.

[976] So I'm checking out, I'm in the lobby, trying to figure out how I'm getting to the airport, and I see Jason, and I'm like, oh, what's going on?

[977] And he launches into this story about like, I'm trying to get my baggage to be held by the bellhop while I straighten out my lodging.

[978] I'm going to go to some place at two or whatever.

[979] And the story's making less and less sense.

[980] And then all of a sudden it occurs to me that Jason didn't just wake up and come down to the lobby like I have.

[981] And I go Hey, are you still up by way By chance from last night And you go, oh yeah Uh -huh And then I was like Oh, I'm not jealous of those beers Yeah, no Yeah So you were like me You really enjoy drinking I really did And actually Don Roos Was like one of the first guys Who I like I would tell my crazy story About like, this is the 17 ,000 times I drank a little too much.

[982] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[983] He was like one of the first people who wasn't like, you're crazy, you're awesome.

[984] He was like, huh.

[985] You should take a chill pill.

[986] Yeah, you should maybe take a chill pill.

[987] And I will pat myself on the back.

[988] I never say anything to you.

[989] I never guilted you out or anything.

[990] No, he didn't even guilt me anyway.

[991] You know, but eventually I realized that, drinking was not serving me. Initially, it was like a, I mean, like, for a lot of people, for me, it was like, it helped, I thought that it helped me be more social.

[992] Sure.

[993] For a shy, you know, for some.

[994] But it, and it did, but not in the ways that I. Well, no, it does for the first three or four hours.

[995] Yeah.

[996] But it's, it's like in the lobby of the hotel.

[997] The next morning.

[998] I'm like trying to figure out some lodging scheme you had where they're going to somehow hold your luggage which still confuses me. I don't remember what that was of that.

[999] I doubt you remember that whole exchange, do you?

[1000] I do remember that exchange.

[1001] Oh, you do?

[1002] Oh, okay.

[1003] No, I had so, I wasn't, like, drinking until, like, five in the morning.

[1004] Oh, okay, okay.

[1005] And then I would do this thing in New York where I would, I get very nostalgic in New York because that's where I went to school.

[1006] Right.

[1007] And so I would, like, I just would walk all night.

[1008] And that I believed that night, I walked to where my school was.

[1009] I would always, like, go to the building where I studied and be like...

[1010] Which is crazy far from the hotel we were standing at.

[1011] It was crazy far, but the party was even further uptown.

[1012] I walked like 70 blocks that night.

[1013] Oh, my God.

[1014] And I got to where my school was, and the building had been demolished.

[1015] Really?

[1016] And I just was standing there, like, four in the morning, like, wait.

[1017] But that parking lot was only this, and now it's this big.

[1018] But this is the building.

[1019] Yeah, it took me a lot.

[1020] And did you keep thinking, well, I must have...

[1021] screwed up.

[1022] There's no way the building's not here.

[1023] I did think I screwed up for a little while.

[1024] But then I went home and I needed to figure out some lodging and baggage situations.

[1025] Sure, sure.

[1026] A lot of logistics to sort out.

[1027] Yeah, exactly.

[1028] And coming off that depressing blow to your nostalgia.

[1029] Well, I had picked up a snapple at the thing.

[1030] That had made me feel better.

[1031] Yeah, yeah.

[1032] But yes, you get a snapple, and it's made of glass, and so once you finish it, you like whip it up, and your plastic bag and it can be a weapon if you need it to have a bit.

[1033] Interesting.

[1034] A little homegrown New York secret for anyone.

[1035] I always want to have like something.

[1036] If you take a family vacation this summer to see the Statue of Liberty.

[1037] Yeah, exactly.

[1038] Grab some Snapple bottles.

[1039] You're going to be walking around so late.

[1040] So, yeah, I can relate very much to that feeling of you drink this thing and then all of a sudden you think the version of you is very tolerable and palatable, right?

[1041] Like, you start, if you're like me, you start liking yourself a bit more, and there's some great relief in that, yeah?

[1042] I think, yeah, I also think there was, like, the thing that I figured out, like, as a teenager, was one of the ways that I sort of made friends was I would do something that other people wouldn't do.

[1043] I was, like, the crazy one or something.

[1044] That was how I like, I'll slam my head and did anything.

[1045] It was like, weird stuff.

[1046] Yeah.

[1047] But that's how I felt like, so it was an extension of that.

[1048] In other words, it was something about like, just me somehow isn't like enough.

[1049] I have to like do something.

[1050] I have to, yeah.

[1051] And I would, I mean, yeah, I'd climb something or I'd jump in a water body or I'd.

[1052] go to a cliff or just dangerous things.

[1053] Smash your car into a telephone pole.

[1054] I never did that.

[1055] No, I never did that.

[1056] Did you end up getting some pretty good injuries?

[1057] Yeah.

[1058] I scratch myself up and I like I would, you know, I would, you know, I always loved like climbing stuff and doing things like that as a kid.

[1059] So I would try to get, you know, like up high somewhere, which is not such a bright thing.

[1060] Right, just to get a bird's eye view on everything.

[1061] Yeah.

[1062] Yeah.

[1063] And I would, I'd fall and scrape my hands.

[1064] and you know I hurt myself not ever severely but I definitely have some scars from those those times so any broken bones no all my broken bones were sober broken bones yeah but I yeah but then I I at a certain point I realized that it was not making me happier and I took that crutch away from myself and how and did you find that like the first year was maybe a little like here's my thing.

[1065] There were little things I could have never predicted about quitting drinking, which one was the first year I quit drinking, I went on vacation with my ex -girlfriend, and I got there and I was like, what on earth do you do on a vacation?

[1066] Like, what we would do is we'd go to a bar and get drunk, and then you'd meet somebody, and they'd invite you somewhere, and then it'd lead to this.

[1067] Like, it just, once you put a few drinks down, everything took care of itself.

[1068] Right, yeah.

[1069] It was like, this is, there's So now we've got to play on everything.

[1070] All my adventures just started with two jacking diets.

[1071] And then I just had a whole host of memories from that.

[1072] But there were like just tons of activities I had not known how to do sober.

[1073] And so that like first year or two, I guess what I'm asking is, has it gotten easier where it's like you kind of reprogram your muscle memory?

[1074] It's gotten easier.

[1075] I mean, yeah, like especially for me it was like going to parties or being somewhere where.

[1076] where there are people that I don't really know or I didn't, and like, I just would, I felt like I really, like, needed one or two just to...

[1077] And so it was interesting to get to those and just be like, I'm not giving myself that, and then just have a few conversations to where I'm just, like, the most...

[1078] I felt like the most boring.

[1079] I'd just be like, yeah, hi.

[1080] It's like, I put on a tie.

[1081] And just like, they're like, oh, okay.

[1082] I grew up here, did you?

[1083] Yeah, exactly.

[1084] And I'm driving home.

[1085] I parked.

[1086] Yeah, exactly.

[1087] Where did you park?

[1088] So that was definitely like you, but it was also interesting because then I was forced to kind of see what happened without that.

[1089] And it was, you know, in terms of like my own, like, I always wanted to like never be stuck in a rut or I always wanted to like explore like the next thing or look at the next thing.

[1090] And so it was interesting in that way just as a sort of life experiment.

[1091] An experiment.

[1092] I have that similar thought.

[1093] I've said several times that even if I wasn't forced to quit through an addiction, I do feel like I would have gotten to the point where I was like, okay, well, that was two decades.

[1094] I'm ready for another adventure or just another thing.

[1095] Yeah.

[1096] And the one thing I remember craving a ton and it became like a goal of mine that I then reached at like maybe year eight or something where it was like, I just wanted to remember what it was like being 14 where I was, fucking on fire to walk out my door and get into some shit like to have a hobby to go do some stuff like I remember like a good chunk of my life just being on fire for being alive.

[1097] Oh yeah I remember that too I remember I remember this thing where like my friends and I got really into stealth and like speed and I got really into running just like not like quietly quietly and just like like a jaguar and like I would just like and I remember like running and like getting to this point where I was running so fast that it felt like my legs were just like not even like just catching the ground oh sure sure and I was just flying and the wind would go like past my ears and it would be like and I couldn't hear anything and then I'd go to the side and then I could hear stuff and I go the wind and it was very exciting you were slicing the wind oh yeah I was like fully T -2 in it and And, yeah, and I love that.

[1098] And I loved, like, you know, being sort of that, like, just this weird, sort of, like, there was a period of time where I was, like, I was a little bit of a weirdo kid, and I would, I was like, I need to maximize all my, like, abilities.

[1099] Oh, wow.

[1100] And so there was a thing where I figured out how I could walk as fast as possible.

[1101] Okay.

[1102] And I just, like, without running, like, just under a jog.

[1103] but like the maximum walking speed and I figured that out and I was so excited and then I realized like in about seventh grade that like being like being so fast and being like I was in class first was like not this so I actually then had to retrain myself to walk slower oh that must have been hard cooler yeah but then it's like putting a race car in rush hour traffic they don't drive so nice I know, and I had to be like, well, I still want to be on class on time, so I better leave about two minutes with my new slow walk.

[1104] And were you, I don't know where I'm even going.

[1105] I'm just ambling around.

[1106] Were you preparing for something, were you training for a specific event, do you think?

[1107] Did you want to be an assassin?

[1108] I did want to be like.

[1109] A ninja.

[1110] Yes, I wanted to be a ninja.

[1111] Ninja turtles.

[1112] Why did we all want to be a ninja?

[1113] Ninja turtles.

[1114] I'm five years older than you.

[1115] I didn't have ninja.

[1116] of Turtles.

[1117] I had like Chuck Chuck Norris and shit.

[1118] Oh yeah.

[1119] Yeah.

[1120] Breaker, breaker.

[1121] Bruce Lee.

[1122] Oh, yeah.

[1123] Those guys.

[1124] Yeah.

[1125] We had Michelangelo and Leonardo and Donatello.

[1126] Yeah.

[1127] How about John Claude Van Dan?

[1128] Did you like that?

[1129] I know.

[1130] I got into those movies later.

[1131] Okay.

[1132] But you were never working splits into your repertoire of training.

[1133] No. No, I never did.

[1134] I never got that flexible.

[1135] I'm surprised you didn't identify that as a weakness in your overall.

[1136] all training.

[1137] Well, now I do.

[1138] Yeah.

[1139] Okay, good.

[1140] Thank you.

[1141] Good.

[1142] Good.

[1143] I'll work on the splits.

[1144] So I just, I want to ask you a couple career things.

[1145] Yeah.

[1146] Because I have you.

[1147] Tell me the pressure or do you even experience it or not.

[1148] Because you've now been the face of a couple different series.

[1149] Yeah.

[1150] Like most recently, Kevin probably saves the world.

[1151] Yeah.

[1152] But the event you were pretty much on every single billboard and going into those things, Do you feel the pressure of that?

[1153] Yes, yes, I do.

[1154] More so on this last, on Kevin probably saves the world.

[1155] I feel like the event, there were enough different storylines and everything that I really did feel like an ensemble, and that's where I feel the most comfortable anyway.

[1156] And every show is an ensemble, but it is bizarre.

[1157] Yeah, it does feel a little...

[1158] When you're playing the title character, I'm presuming you were Kevin.

[1159] Yeah, yes, yeah.

[1160] So then I did feel a lot of pressure and sort of, yeah, that is a little bit scary.

[1161] And I feel like you take it a little bit more personally when, you know, people don't watch.

[1162] Yeah.

[1163] It's not your fault, guys.

[1164] It's not your fault.

[1165] Chos get canceled all the time.

[1166] But when I can't really say this about many people, but probably the last person I would ever be concerned about something getting canceled.

[1167] Like you're just hyper -talented and so likable and charming.

[1168] And you really walked into parenthood with this crazy established cast and then just like shined as brighter, brighter than anyone that was on, except for May Whitman.

[1169] Which, by the way, we both have a mutual love of May Whitman, right?

[1170] She's just one of the most amazing human beings in the world.

[1171] She really is.

[1172] Did you think she was 12 when you met her?

[1173] I didn't think she was 12, but I wasn't sure.

[1174] Right.

[1175] This was on this week's podcast.

[1176] Like, when I met her, she was 21, but I thought she was 14.

[1177] and she came out of me with a super pervy first line I was like oh my God get me out of this I just wanted to like pull a cord and get fucking ejected up into space because I had no idea to how to handle that like a 12 year old girl saying something perverse her first line to me was like what's up perv oh by the way because you guys probably if you heard that episode I heard it too this is the face this is the face this is the face.

[1178] So why were you doing that?

[1179] I tried to imagine what that face was and I didn't ever get that.

[1180] You never saw us doing that?

[1181] No. Because you just tell the story, you'd be like, do you see Crafty?

[1182] They got chicken wings.

[1183] Very disturbing.

[1184] Krauser wasn't here today, so I parked in a spot.

[1185] It's like a way to say like I just crushed that.

[1186] Right, right.

[1187] Yeah.

[1188] That is amazing.

[1189] So she, apparently I was doing that unbeknownst to me. And then I just, I look over and I see her and she goes, it's up perv and I was like She's a straight shooter She doesn't show you like it is Right to the jugular Yeah she's awesome Yeah And you guys had a great friendship And you know It was a wonderful little triangle But I was competing for her In fact I would often ask her If she liked you more than me Really?

[1190] Yeah she was nice enough to lie Oh yeah But did so I guess my question is when you were offered that did you go like oh man I don't know if I want to do that like I don't know if I want to take that big of a swing I that in that specific show I just loved the whole script so much and the whole idea that I only thought about all that stuff later like playing it yeah I just was so excited to be part of this show that I thought was funny and weird and kind of was like a plea for kindness and empathy towards people and I was like this is I need this just for me. And it was only when I saw the billboards that I was like, oh, what are they doing?

[1191] Why is it?

[1192] That makes me nervous.

[1193] And do you ever, do you ever like try to remind yourself to extend to yourself the same thought process you extend to everyone else you're friends with?

[1194] That's still hard for me. It's hard, right?

[1195] Because you'll have friends that have a show that doesn't work.

[1196] And you never, ever think, oh, it didn't work because of that person.

[1197] You go like, oh, for whatever reason.

[1198] and that wasn't in the zeitgeist or that didn't have some stickiness that these shows need.

[1199] It's just so clearly just the product for whatever reason.

[1200] But when you're in it...

[1201] Yeah.

[1202] I'll tell you an example.

[1203] I think that I've tanked a lot of movies.

[1204] Like, I actually...

[1205] I'll go like, oh, I brought that movie down.

[1206] Right.

[1207] And I got really close to the last Cohen Brother movie...

[1208] What one was it?

[1209] Hell Caesar.

[1210] Yeah, like I went...

[1211] And I went and read for the casting director.

[1212] Then I got called to read for them, which was so exciting.

[1213] And then they brought me back.

[1214] And I ended up reading for them, like, I think, three times.

[1215] So there was a moment I was like, oh, my God, I'm going to be in a Cohen Brothers movie.

[1216] This is so exciting.

[1217] And then I wasn't.

[1218] And then it came out, and it didn't do well financially.

[1219] And I'm like, I'm so grateful I wasn't in the movie because I know I would say it was entirely my fault.

[1220] I'd be, God, I even crushed a Cohen Brothers movie.

[1221] I would wear that for the rest of my life.

[1222] Yeah, I mean, aside from parenthood, almost every other show I've been involved with has gotten canceled.

[1223] But, and when it's you, that's how you think of it, but then in reality, almost every show gets canceled.

[1224] That's just the nature of shows.

[1225] That is true.

[1226] That's true.

[1227] Thank you.

[1228] Like, the actual odds are, you know, people sell a show.

[1229] They buy, like, I don't know what they buy, a couple thousand pitches a year, and then they end up greenlighting 15 pilots, and then they bring four of those to series, and then maybe one of those makes it.

[1230] So of the thousand it makes, you know, to the one, it's just an incredibly daunting odds.

[1231] Yeah, exactly.

[1232] Back to your point about having a child actor.

[1233] Right.

[1234] Exactly.

[1235] Aren't in your favor.

[1236] It's tough to, it's, I mean, I think a lot of everyone takes things personally that they don't need to or they shouldn't, you know.

[1237] But I feel like we're all trying to figure out how to kind of do this, be alive and interact with people.

[1238] And so when something goes wrong, it's a natural thing to be like what did I do what you know and it's this weird contradictory thought process which is one you're overestimating how much people think about you they just don't think about you that's true when they run into you when you run into someone like I run on someone after chips didn't do well I'm like oh they feel so bad this is so awkward for them all they want to say is like oh sorry your movie didn't work you know I'm thinking that which is like a heightened sense of ego that they're even thinking about you.

[1239] Yeah, yeah.

[1240] Yet also my ego is saying you're a big piece of shit everyone feels bad for it.

[1241] Right, right.

[1242] And neither of those make sense.

[1243] Yeah, exactly.

[1244] There's a couple of sayings in AI love which is like one is alcoholics are egomaniacs with inferiority complexes.

[1245] Yep.

[1246] Or the center of the piece of shit that the universe revolves around.

[1247] That's funny.

[1248] They also say, I'm not much, but I'm all I think about.

[1249] I like all of those.

[1250] Those are amazing.

[1251] sum me up pretty well.

[1252] But that this is one last kind of personal thing I want to ask you is I've had a couple of friends who've had really public marriages and when they've got divorced that already really painful experience is compounded by the fact that wherever they now go everyone around them is also aware of what they're going through.

[1253] And it's just like pretty brutal.

[1254] Yeah.

[1255] So I wondered, and this You don't have to answer this, but I just wondered, when your father died, did you feel like this thing that should have been a private family moment was open to the world?

[1256] And did you resent that?

[1257] And did you not like that wherever you went, you probably could sense people?

[1258] Because I guess when my dad died, I enjoyed that I could leave that little bubble I was in of sadness.

[1259] And I could go to Home Depot.

[1260] And no one in there knew my dad died.

[1261] So they weren't going, oh, my God, I'm so sorry.

[1262] Oh, my God, I'm so sorry.

[1263] I could leave that.

[1264] I'm not comfortable in that situation where people are consoling me. And I lived for those breaks from that, you know?

[1265] And I just wonder, like, were you trapped in that at that time where, like, you just felt like, God, everywhere I go, someone's going to hit me with that.

[1266] Yeah, I mean, it's interesting.

[1267] Gosh, I say it's interesting when I'm stalling.

[1268] Interesting is like my, like, that's basically what I'm saying.

[1269] I'm not like, my answer is going.

[1270] point to be interesting.

[1271] I don't know.

[1272] It might not be.

[1273] But my answer is that, you know, I think grief is such a specific thing for everyone.

[1274] And it's a, like, it's a lifelong journey.

[1275] I mean, there are like waves and, and, and, you know, it's like, uh, there's no closure to it.

[1276] Not really.

[1277] It's just like, here's a new hole in your heart.

[1278] Like, there you go.

[1279] And then, you know, you have better days and you know um and tough days and uh yeah you can go long period i've gone long periods of time where i go like oh i'm over that yeah my dad dying and then i have a dream about him and he's like he's super healthy in the dream and and because also it gets weird when you deal with a parent dying for me not for you i guess in your case but for me you spend so much time at the end where it's they've they've devolved physically and all these things that that ends up being kind of your memory and then i'll have these dreams and i'll have these dreams and all I'll go like, oh, that's right.

[1280] He was this robust guy I used to think of as, like, powerful and strong.

[1281] And it's just, it's weird.

[1282] The whole thing's kind of a mind fuck that way.

[1283] Yeah.

[1284] I mean, mine was just like, I saw him earlier that week.

[1285] And then it was just like, hey, we got him into the hospital, but he's fine.

[1286] He had a thing.

[1287] And then I got to the hospital and they were like, it's, it's not fine.

[1288] Yeah.

[1289] I do believe that's the worst version of.

[1290] It's the hardest, I think, for the, well, who knows?

[1291] It's all sucks.

[1292] It really is tough.

[1293] And, but I think...

[1294] Wait, there's no kick -ass way to lose a loved one?

[1295] No, there is it.

[1296] I mean, I almost...

[1297] Did you hear about Mike's Uncle Randy dying?

[1298] Pretty good way to go.

[1299] Yeah.

[1300] He's stoked.

[1301] Everyone's, like, pretty okay with it.

[1302] Just left the bar.

[1303] Randy was fucking raging, man. Yeah.

[1304] I mean, you know, I like, I...

[1305] You look for silver linings and things, and I'm glad that he wasn't in a lot of pain.

[1306] Yeah.

[1307] You know, there are things like that, but I also didn't ever get a chance to say goodbye.

[1308] Yeah, that would be the heartbreaking.

[1309] So that kind of stuff.

[1310] But the tough thing was initially there would be times where I would be having kind of an okay moment.

[1311] Yeah.

[1312] And someone would come up and grab my arm and have this face like, yeah.

[1313] Yes.

[1314] And I'd be like, I know it's, and then all of a sudden, because they need to have this moment with me, I all of a sudden have to die.

[1315] into my grief and then and there was this one time where I was I was with my my fiancee it all worked out guys after all that and it was like one of the first time and then we were at a bar I was not drinking we were just at a bar hanging who am I to judge and someone someone went like someone saw me and basically this woman said something to me and then she went oh my gosh and she went I I loved her dad so much, and then she made a pouty face.

[1316] Oh, boy.

[1317] And then she went, RIP.

[1318] Anyway, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[1319] And like, no. Wait, did she say hashtag RIP or just...

[1320] She might have.

[1321] Oh, my goodness.

[1322] RIP.

[1323] Anyway, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[1324] And just started talking to her friend.

[1325] And RIP, don't eat all the calamari, bitch.

[1326] She's such a bit.

[1327] Becky's such a bitch.

[1328] I can't turn my back for two seconds to say RIP without her eating all the calamari.

[1329] Melanie was like shocked Isn't it great to have a partner in those moments?

[1330] Oh right, I'm not bonkers, that was nuts, right?

[1331] But as soon as she turned away, now that she had said RIP and just sort of dropped that out of my lap, I just, to her, the back of her head, very quietly, I went, well, thank you so much for bringing this up.

[1332] I mean, some of my greatest friends I don't even talk to about this stuff.

[1333] and just like had this whole thing and then we got to kind of laugh about it but it was you know you get more used to it but for the most part what's happened with the fact that it was like that it's sort of public is now that I've also kind of dealt with it and all that kind of stuff now if people come up to me and they maybe have a nice story about him or something like that I love that I collect that and it's nice to to hear you know like those little moments I wasn't with him at all times growing up and so you hear a story of him out in the world every show I said your mother was it sounds like every show she certainly was but yeah I can so relate to when it was with my father same thing like the people would come up to me and they'd be like oh just like you're saying like all these weird faces and then I would find like I'm now consoling them.

[1334] Like, oh, it's okay though.

[1335] He had a thing and I'm trying to like put a positive spin on it.

[1336] I guess it's just my nature.

[1337] But I'm like, how did this turn?

[1338] There's something broken about the whole social construct of this.

[1339] Because you end up consoling these people who are there ostensibly to console you.

[1340] I guess everyone just feels awkward as fuck and you don't know what to say and we're all we still haven't figured out because also it's so specific that there's no way someone can come up to you and say the exact right thing where you're like that's exactly what I needed to hear and I'm healed.

[1341] Yeah.

[1342] You know, it's like it's impossible.

[1343] So even though we've come all of this way in our humanity and our arts and science and all these things, we still are like, sorry, it's gone now.

[1344] I don't know how to say it, but yeah.

[1345] But yeah, it is bizarre.

[1346] It's a strange thing.

[1347] Yeah, it's weird.

[1348] Like I, you think you're over something like that.

[1349] And then there was an episode in the first season of Queer Eye.

[1350] Okay.

[1351] Which is a lovely show all about kindness.

[1352] And the guy had to come out to his stepmom and his father had died or something.

[1353] And I cried in all of those episodes.

[1354] Like normal, like look over like, oh, how beautiful is in life?

[1355] And then that episode ended and I just was like, hmm, something.

[1356] It was actually exactly what happened.

[1357] happened to me when I read where the red fern grows.

[1358] Where my friend was like, dude, have you finished the book?

[1359] You're going to cry.

[1360] You're going to cry.

[1361] And I was like, I've actually never cried and not from a book.

[1362] When I do cry, it won't be from a book.

[1363] It'll be from breaking a world record jumping Caesar's Palace on a Harley.

[1364] Exactly.

[1365] And I got to the end of the book and I was like, oh, I, something is wrong in my body.

[1366] I like went up to my mom and I was like, hey mom.

[1367] I was reading that book The dogs The dogs died Like I didn't even get like And that's what happened to me With this episode where all of a sudden I was like Bent over the dishwasher It was so weird And I was like this is This is still here This pain is like over 15 years old Yeah And it's just like you deal with it And you go through it And then all of a sudden it's just like I don't know, buddy, I've been here the whole time.

[1368] Yeah, yeah.

[1369] I was doing push -ups.

[1370] I'm stronger than never, motherfucker.

[1371] Yeah.

[1372] You never cry.

[1373] You're like that episode of Queer Eye?

[1374] Yeah, exactly.

[1375] It really took me by surprise.

[1376] No one was like, are you again?

[1377] I was like, I'm having an allergic reaction.

[1378] To life.

[1379] To life.

[1380] I'm allergic to.

[1381] The plight of being human.

[1382] To heartache.

[1383] So this literally is the last thing I'm going to ask you before you go.

[1384] Because I am, I'm going to use you right now for guidance because you grew up in a situation that my kids are now growing up, and it's very important to me to try to do as good of a job as I can, what things did they do right and what did they do wrong?

[1385] That's a big question.

[1386] But like you're out, so you're out with your dad.

[1387] People recognize him.

[1388] They're taking up your time.

[1389] I have a thing, like, I think I'm generally nice in public when I meet people, when I'm by myself.

[1390] But when I'm with my kids, I'm not very nice because I'm like, it's her time.

[1391] And this is her only shot.

[1392] at this time.

[1393] Actually, it's similar.

[1394] You know, one of the weird things about having a third generation is that my dad grew up seeing his dad and his father was like very loving.

[1395] Like, you know, he was like, these are the people who are watching my movies and all these things so he would sign autographs and sign autographs and sign autograph until there was no one left.

[1396] And my dad would kind of feel like, what about me a little bit?

[1397] Yeah, you would feel picked over.

[1398] And so there were lots of times growing up where my dad always was very nice.

[1399] Never was like mean to anybody, but sometimes would say, hey, you know what?

[1400] I'm just trying to like have it.

[1401] I'm just being a dad with my kids right now.

[1402] And people would be like, you know, there are some people, they would, I would be like, just do what they want.

[1403] People please her.

[1404] But it was also, in hindsight, it was really nice.

[1405] He like prioritized us in a way where, you know, even if people were like, or whatever, you know, like, you know, they...

[1406] Yeah, I've had a couple of those, and then I go, I'm going to have to live with that person thinking I'm a dick, but my daughter knows you...

[1407] Being at my deathbed, you know, I is a pretty easy choice for me to make.

[1408] So, yeah, I mean, I think that was the thing.

[1409] And I also think my dad had a very healthy relationship to, like, the attention.

[1410] Yeah, like, he was like, this is a byproduct of this thing that I love so much and that I'm lucky enough to get to do, he always talked about how lucky he was and, you know, it's a profession where people who are insanely talented don't get a, you know, it just goes the other way.

[1411] And then other people...

[1412] Our friend, Jess Rowland, should be like a franchise movie star and I don't know he's not.

[1413] Definitely.

[1414] Yeah, it just, there's no...

[1415] And I know 30 people like that.

[1416] Yeah, and then you also know 30 people where you're like, that guy?

[1417] What the, Fuck, yeah.

[1418] Really?

[1419] Okay.

[1420] I'm so tempted to name names.

[1421] One of them would make Monica storm out of here.

[1422] Don't even.

[1423] Don't even, no. I know exactly.

[1424] But yeah, I...

[1425] His initials are BA.

[1426] Anyways, go ahead.

[1427] Mr. T's character from...

[1428] Yes, B .A. Baracus.

[1429] I love you.

[1430] I don't think he's an amazing actor.

[1431] I said it.

[1432] Mr. T's not an amazing actor.

[1433] I'll walk out.

[1434] How dare you?

[1435] That's totally a bit.

[1436] I love to.

[1437] You know, yeah, me too.

[1438] Yeah, so no, I think that was, yeah, both he and my mom were really kind of like, you know, you're not special.

[1439] No, they were like, you know, it doesn't, basically, this is a, I don't know, there was a, there was a, there was a, always a kind of reminder of the things in life that are real.

[1440] and that's the relationships we make and the way we treat other people and the, you know, things like that.

[1441] The golden rule was basically the whole thing.

[1442] Just how would that feel to you if someone did that to you?

[1443] Yeah.

[1444] And all that kind of stuff.

[1445] Because what's really weird is I think our five -year -old fully comprehends what's going on.

[1446] They know that their mother is Princess Anna's voice.

[1447] They understand that.

[1448] They've seen her record the voice.

[1449] They've seen us on TV.

[1450] They know that.

[1451] They've seen us take a bunch of pictures with strangers.

[1452] They know all that.

[1453] So my assumption is like, well, they get it.

[1454] But the other day I was talking to Lincoln, and she said, it was this weird conversation about, you know, she was asking me, do people like Monica more than you?

[1455] Because we were in the attic.

[1456] Now we'll find out.

[1457] We were in the attic of where we record it.

[1458] She and I were just up there playing, and then she goes, do people like Monica more than you?

[1459] And I go, yeah, some people like Monica more than me. And she goes, well, do some people like you more than Monica?

[1460] And I go, yeah, I think some people like me more than Monica.

[1461] And she goes, well, why did they listen to the show?

[1462] And I go, well, I think initially they listen to show more for me because I'm more famous than Monica.

[1463] And she goes, you're famous?

[1464] And I go, I go, why do you think people take pictures of me and mom?

[1465] And she goes, Mom's famous?

[1466] I think that means you're doing something right.

[1467] What is going on?

[1468] Like, I don't understand.

[1469] Like, that word has this meaning already somehow at five years old.

[1470] That's a different thing than being in movies and shit which she totally knows we are.

[1471] Right.

[1472] But we're like Justin Bieber somehow or something.

[1473] I don't even really know, but it just kind of...

[1474] Are you an influencer?

[1475] Fluencer.

[1476] Well, it's not going to get better than that.

[1477] Jason Ritter, I thank you so much for doing our inaugural run.

[1478] Thank you guys.

[1479] Thank you for having me. Yes.

[1480] So, so grateful.

[1481] Please stay tuned for the fact check after this beautiful musical interlude by Bob Murvac that was part of the live experience.

[1482] This one's about being out on the road.

[1483] I'm from Detroit, Michigan.

[1484] So I would technically be out on the road.

[1485] But it doesn't feel like out on the road.

[1486] It feels like home.

[1487] In a westerly direction This car is my train I'm driving and I'm wondering What it is I'm running from again And I feel like an 80 -year -old man Holding on to 29 And up ahead on that horizon California line And up ahead of trucks carrying a wide load A pretty fat house cutting half Yeah A cute little front door and two windows Ain't sure whether to cry or should I laugh You see I broke a home with myself once I stumbled to that door Come around here and it These that's what I've been told Pay my toe Roll Granted Freedom Trash in my backseat Got to be someone out there Who thinks that I still have a home Got his picture in my back pocket These rocks I found in Arizona That I want to show him Turned to an awkward silence Because there's so much work I've never known Traveling Man's Days are done Thank you, thank you, folks.

[1488] I appreciate that.

[1489] Guys, this is your girl, Kiki, and my podcast is back with a new season.

[1490] And let me tell you, it's too good.

[1491] And I'm diving into the brains of entertainment's best and brightest, okay?

[1492] Every episode, I bring on a friend and have a real conversation.

[1493] And I don't mean just friends.

[1494] I mean the likes of Amy Polar, Kell Mitchell, Vivica Fox.

[1495] The list goes on.

[1496] So follow, watch, and listen to Baby.

[1497] This is Kiki Palmer on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcast.

[1498] You can love it.

[1499] You can leave it.

[1500] you can check out the facts now I wish I knew some of the words to Mac Miller Oh did you not even recognize that that was the song I'm so sorry We're we need to go to therapy No Well what was this I just gifted those songs to you I know but I've been mainly I think that's the one That I'm not listening to Okay Mac Miller What's the use What's the use that's the one Check the facts Yeah, I like that, but I'm more listening to...

[1501] Soulmate.

[1502] And ladders.

[1503] Ladders is phenomenal.

[1504] 2009 spectacular, too.

[1505] Oh, I don't have that one.

[1506] If you're not aware of Mac Miller, he passed recently of a drug overdose.

[1507] That's how I learned of him.

[1508] I heard about a sad story first, and then I decided to check out his music.

[1509] Now I'm a goddamn dicted.

[1510] You are.

[1511] Were a goddamn dicted?

[1512] Yeah, and he has one song.

[1513] Which is just bonkers.

[1514] I heard this song as I was going through all the different songs.

[1515] And I'm listening to it and I'm like, are they sampling Goodwill hunting?

[1516] And not only are they sampling Goodwill hunting, but the fucking song's called Soulmate.

[1517] Yeah.

[1518] So I immediately shot it over to you a gift.

[1519] And I said, this gentleman wrote a song for you.

[1520] I can't imagine a song being more tailor made for you.

[1521] Couldn't be.

[1522] Not possible.

[1523] No, unless there was a little part in it where they talked about cheerleading.

[1524] But other than that, and Mike Scher, if it was like soulmate, Goodwell, honey, cheerleading, and Mike sure, it would have just been a slam dunk.

[1525] An explosion.

[1526] Yeah, it was an explosion.

[1527] Still an explosion.

[1528] Yeah.

[1529] Okay.

[1530] Jason Ritter.

[1531] Oh, my God.

[1532] What a sweet.

[1533] What a cutie pie.

[1534] Just the cutest.

[1535] Dr. Seer.

[1536] He wasn't a doctor, he missed your seer.

[1537] Oh, but he could have easily been a doctor.

[1538] For sure.

[1539] Yeah, he was smart enough.

[1540] Yeah, yeah.

[1541] And cute enough.

[1542] He's cute enough to be a doctor for sure, face doctor.

[1543] Yeah, I like him.

[1544] You're going to be mad about something.

[1545] What?

[1546] Took a little hiatus.

[1547] You took hiatus?

[1548] From parenthood.

[1549] What the fuck are you talking about here now?

[1550] What are you coming at me with right now?

[1551] At night, you know how I watch it before bed?

[1552] It's your Ambien.

[1553] Yeah.

[1554] I've been on hiatus.

[1555] Oh, geez.

[1556] What have you been getting into?

[1557] Well, I got a little nervous that I was missing out on a lot of stuff on Netflix.

[1558] Sure.

[1559] That's my only time to watch TV.

[1560] I think we all get Netflix anxiety.

[1561] Exactly.

[1562] A dish.

[1563] Mm -hmm.

[1564] Also, because you were talking so much about comedians and cars.

[1565] Getting coffee.

[1566] Getting coffee.

[1567] Mm -hmm.

[1568] And...

[1569] Do you start plowing through those?

[1570] I was trying...

[1571] Then I was like, oh, I need to watch this.

[1572] Mm -hmm.

[1573] So then I've been watching that, but I only make it a few minutes in because I think it's keeping me awake.

[1574] Because it's too stimulating.

[1575] Yeah.

[1576] So I should go back to parenthood.

[1577] I think I've shared this on here before, but yeah, I got the Keith Richards autobiography for my nighttime listening on Audible, and I thought, oh, this will be great.

[1578] No way.

[1579] No, you're too.

[1580] I would stay up all night long.

[1581] It's all about drugs and rock and roll and blues chords and tuning.

[1582] your guitar weird and getting arrested in the South.

[1583] Have you been arrested?

[1584] Never been arrested.

[1585] I thought about that the other day and I was like, that is so shocking.

[1586] It is.

[1587] Because I have so many friends who've been arrested.

[1588] As do I. But they're good boys.

[1589] Good boys.

[1590] Yeah.

[1591] And I was a bad boy.

[1592] Yeah.

[1593] I've had many conversations with law enforcement.

[1594] We're like, I'm thinking, oh, yeah, this jig's finally up.

[1595] I'm going to the clinky.

[1596] Slammer.

[1597] I mean, the most incredible story, do you remember I told you Aaron Wheakley and I'm a best friend?

[1598] We should talk about that.

[1599] He was just visiting.

[1600] Yeah.

[1601] I got to see it in action.

[1602] You did.

[1603] I did, and I really liked it.

[1604] You did.

[1605] Yeah.

[1606] He was so sweet.

[1607] Isn't he the sweetest?

[1608] Well, we did mushrooms on a camping trip.

[1609] And what the hell?

[1610] If you're from Michigan, you'll know we went to Silver Lake to the sand dunes.

[1611] And we were at this campground and we did mushrooms.

[1612] and we were laughing too loud.

[1613] And our friends made us leave because they were afraid we were going to get kicked out of the campground.

[1614] So we're like, fine, we'll go take a walk.

[1615] So we're walking down this, like, little two -lane road in the middle of nowhere.

[1616] And we see all these kids running.

[1617] It's probably one in the morning.

[1618] These kids are running down the dark road at us.

[1619] And at first we're scared.

[1620] There's like five guys sprinting towards us.

[1621] So at first it's panic.

[1622] And then they just run past us and we're like, oh, that's really weird.

[1623] And then about five minutes later, a car is coming down the road.

[1624] And a car hits a huge rock that those kids clearly put in the road.

[1625] The car goes off into the ditch.

[1626] The people are fine in the car.

[1627] But Aaron and I are standing there on mushrooms.

[1628] So it clearly looks like we've done this, right?

[1629] Oh, no. And so the cops arrive and they start asking us questions.

[1630] And at first, Aaron and I are standing together.

[1631] and the cop goes or what happened what we go look we're trying to explain that these kids did it wasn't us and the cop goes to Aaron what did you see and he goes listen that chrome Ferrari was hauling ass and just blasted right into that porta potty he said it that they were driving a chrome Ferrari and it smashed into a port of potty and I was like oh my God what is he just said he's just completely blown our position so we start laughing on uncontrollably they separate us now he's on the other side of the road one cop's interviewing him another interviewing me and we can't stop laughing even across the street from one another they didn't arrest us and later the next day my conclusion was they just thought we were the town idiots like that we were so stupid you're lucky yeah can't believe you don't think that you've taken the blue pill you've so taken the blue pill it's crazy what does that mean again that means that the matrix that you're living in A good matrix.

[1632] Oh, a good matrix.

[1633] Yeah, big time.

[1634] Yeah, okay, so I used to be able to tell that story better.

[1635] We had been talking about chrome Ferraris before the whole incident and how sweet it would be to have a chrome Ferrari and arrive everywhere.

[1636] Sure.

[1637] So then it was just on the tip of his tongue.

[1638] But then a porta potty, and he said the porta potty had something in it, like some kind of meat.

[1639] Poop?

[1640] No, me. It was like the port -a -old was stuff with meat, yeah.

[1641] Oh, my God.

[1642] I want to stop telling the story.

[1643] Some drug stories are bad because you're like, I wasn't there and I'm just getting very self -conscious about it.

[1644] Don't worry, okay.

[1645] I really liked seeing you with him.

[1646] You did.

[1647] Yeah, you were so, well, first of all, has he always been your son?

[1648] Or is he always been my son?

[1649] Since like seventh or eighth grade, he started calling me dad.

[1650] Okay, I didn't know if he became your son as an adult.

[1651] No, but we had been, he had been calling me dad for so long.

[1652] that there was a period where I was 18 while he was still 17 there was six months and we talked very sincerely about me adopting him officially and legally it was a fantasy we had yeah but we never we were too lazy to go through with all that paperwork I've never adopted anyone but it's a lot of red tape also he had parents which was probably they would have been upset precluded him from being adopted by me sure well that's I don't know that that's an issue true but It would have been extra work.

[1653] It would have probably been extra work.

[1654] Who'd have had to get divorced from his parents first and then adopt.

[1655] Get emancipated.

[1656] But you were really cute and you're so affectionate with him.

[1657] Oh, yeah.

[1658] He is my sweetest soulmate, my son.

[1659] Yeah.

[1660] I love him so much.

[1661] Okay.

[1662] All right.

[1663] So, the country music hall of fame.

[1664] We didn't know what that entailed.

[1665] Like, what do you get?

[1666] Right.

[1667] And I still don't know what you get because I think you only know if you, If you have it, very rare.

[1668] Sure.

[1669] It's the highest honor a country music professional can receive.

[1670] Oh.

[1671] Yeah.

[1672] Oh, that's cool.

[1673] I know.

[1674] Extended to performers, songwriters, broadcasters, musicians, and executives.

[1675] Yeah.

[1676] And, oh, well, one thing that you do get is I guess there are some bronze portraits honoring each Hall of Fame member.

[1677] Oh, like a bronze bust.

[1678] Correct.

[1679] Yeah.

[1680] I don't know if it's a bust or just the face.

[1681] Or just the abdomen, a bronze abdomen.

[1682] Yeah.

[1683] Oh, my goodness.

[1684] You know what?

[1685] What?

[1686] I have been, that's where Houston Estes got married.

[1687] I went to a...

[1688] The Tennessee State Museum?

[1689] No, no, the Country Music Hall of Fame?

[1690] Yes.

[1691] And now that I'm thinking about it, I rolled by some of those bronze bus.

[1692] You did.

[1693] Yeah, they were moved over there.

[1694] Back to me now.

[1695] It was a very elegant wedding.

[1696] A fun was had by all.

[1697] Yeah, and apparently there was a very tasty cake that I'll never have.

[1698] An incredible cake.

[1699] Even though they sent us the cake because they knew.

[1700] that you guys liked it and that the rest of us wanted a bite but the problem is they don't send the right top if it's in the mail it was missing a topping yeah they put caramel instead of marshmallow right it was a bang them up cake I really want it well just ask Houston to get married again and invite me yeah I will okay so you said you had orthodontia from second grade to senior year.

[1701] I was very skeptical of that.

[1702] Okay.

[1703] That's a long time.

[1704] It sure is.

[1705] So I asked your mom, she said, and I quote.

[1706] Oh, boy.

[1707] She said, I believe so because he had to spend so many years in that contraption that stretched his lower jaw out to fit the...

[1708] This does sound like a lower low lowell quote.

[1709] To fit the same as the upper jaw.

[1710] And then he had to have teeth removed.

[1711] And then he had to have braces.

[1712] I mean, it was a very long process.

[1713] Now, do I think it was seventh grade to senior year?

[1714] I can't tell you, but it sure sounds close.

[1715] Yeah, second grade to senior year.

[1716] I know.

[1717] Oh, then I said that.

[1718] And she said, yeah, it was a typo.

[1719] Okay, okay.

[1720] So she meant that.

[1721] Okay.

[1722] She said it sounded right.

[1723] Well, I just had, I had like virtually a decade of just retainers.

[1724] Yeah.

[1725] Before they even were able to correct all the crookedness.

[1726] So did you have braces?

[1727] Yes.

[1728] Eventually, I had braces before.

[1729] First, they had to, like, as she said, get it prepared.

[1730] Elongate my mandible to get rid of that overbite.

[1731] And then they did, they popped some teeth out in seventh grade.

[1732] Right.

[1733] And put some packing in there to try to make them grow incorrectly.

[1734] Yeah.

[1735] I don't even know that that helped, but whatever.

[1736] Sure.

[1737] It was forever.

[1738] The second grade is so young.

[1739] Your mouth hasn't even fully formed.

[1740] Well, that's when you need to get at that mandible when it's still pliable.

[1741] When it's still wittly new.

[1742] Still wet or it's fully dried.

[1743] Yeah.

[1744] I guess that's true, but I got braces in sixth grade, which was early for most people.

[1745] Not you, but it was early for most.

[1746] Yeah, I'd already been in for four years at that point.

[1747] And there was a lot of talk about it.

[1748] I think my dentist thought it was a terrible idea.

[1749] Oh, really?

[1750] Yes.

[1751] They were going to shift so much anyways.

[1752] Yeah, he was like, you don't know, we don't know what's going to happen with her teeth.

[1753] Right.

[1754] But they did it anyway.

[1755] And it worked.

[1756] You have a great smile.

[1757] Sure.

[1758] We don't know what it would have looked like.

[1759] Well, were they all janky before you got those?

[1760] No. They weren't.

[1761] They were perfect.

[1762] I'm just kidding.

[1763] No, no. They were straight.

[1764] It was about my bite.

[1765] Oh, I had a cross bite.

[1766] Ooh, that's weird.

[1767] Yeah, apparently.

[1768] That sounds up there with an underbite.

[1769] Mm -mm.

[1770] It looked normal.

[1771] It just, they were crossed.

[1772] Okay.

[1773] Inverted.

[1774] Yeah.

[1775] Crisk cross applesauce.

[1776] Um, Okay, you said you had, you have dreams that your teeth fall out a lot.

[1777] Okay, so that means insecurity.

[1778] Oh.

[1779] A dream about teeth falling out can represent feeling insecure about some part of yourself or your life.

[1780] The anxiety you feel in the dream about having missing teeth can therefore symbolize your concerns over self -worth, self -image, or how you're treated by others.

[1781] That's really interesting.

[1782] But when you were talking about Aaron Weekly a second ago, my best friend, I wanted to tell you that I had about a two, and a half hour dream last night that Aaron and I were living together and we were in my old apartment in Santa Barbara.

[1783] Not Santa Barbara, Santa Monica.

[1784] Okay.

[1785] And I was divorced.

[1786] Oh.

[1787] And so I was sent back to live in that apartment.

[1788] And it had been forever since I had been in that apartment like 10 years, but it occurred to me, oh, I just kept paying the rent just to have it as a backup plan in my dream.

[1789] So there I am and Aaron's there And a fucking guy All of a sudden I realized There's a second room of that apartment And this scary guy comes out Oh no Yeah and the scary guy has been living there Squatting He broke in and he's been living there And at first we were kind of You know Thinking we got to get rid of this guy He had a pistol Oh my But then we started talking civilly to one another And then the guy it turns out he wasn't a bad guy and we it was agreed that we were going to let him just live in that room and then at the very end of the dream he said do you um you know i don't have much but i have weed do you want some weed and i said no i i don't i don't do i don't smoke weed and he said well i also have some cocaine that i put in my um in my beverages which i thought was interesting and i and then he had my he had my attention okay And then I thought this is going to be rough because I don't know if I can live in this two -bit of apartment with a guy.

[1790] I know there's cocaine in the other room.

[1791] So I don't know if you can unpack that one on the next episode, but that was last night's dream.

[1792] That one makes me scared.

[1793] It does.

[1794] Relapse dreams are very common among sober people.

[1795] Most of the dudes I know that are sober have relapse dreams all the time.

[1796] Okay.

[1797] Yeah.

[1798] Did he have a porta potty full of meat, that guy?

[1799] That he'd blasted through in his chrome Ferrari, no. Strange.

[1800] Kristen did go on a date with Jake Gyllenhaal.

[1801] She did do that.

[1802] I asked her and she did.

[1803] Oh, great.

[1804] J .G. Uh -huh.

[1805] O -Cams Razor.

[1806] It's a principle from philosophy.

[1807] You can tell me if this rings true to you.

[1808] Can I, well, I'm such a show off.

[1809] You read it.

[1810] No, you can.

[1811] You set it so you can tell us.

[1812] It's the simplest explanation is most often the right explanation.

[1813] Yeah.

[1814] Is that close?

[1815] It's about it.

[1816] Yeah.

[1817] Oh, great.

[1818] Okay.

[1819] Suppose there exists two explanations for an occurrence.

[1820] In this case, the one that requires the least speculation is usually better.

[1821] Yeah.

[1822] I think it's true in science.

[1823] I think they say in science often as well.

[1824] Oh, really?

[1825] Yeah.

[1826] That doesn't seem right to me in science.

[1827] I think so, like if you're trying to figure out some science.

[1828] scientific phenomena and you create a theory that requires like six or seven steps versus someone has an explanation that only requires one step, one occurrence.

[1829] It's far more likely that it's something that only requires one occurrence than multiple.

[1830] Like for water boiling, they're observing water boiling.

[1831] One person could say, well, maybe heat underneath the water caused the boil or someone else could go, well, maybe we are at elevation, we're at 45 ,000 feet.

[1832] We're at 45 ,000 feet.

[1833] where the ATM is zero, and so the water, but you know, multiple explanations of how the water's boiling, it just starts getting more preposterous than the easiest.

[1834] So sometimes it is the elevation and stuff.

[1835] Well, and I often talk about that.

[1836] That's in the tipping point that airline accidents generally are, they're rarely one thing.

[1837] It's generally accumulation of like four weird coincidence.

[1838] So this is the opposite.

[1839] Yeah, airline crashes are not Okam's razor.

[1840] Okay.

[1841] Some people say Oakham's Razor, too.

[1842] Oh, you said Hail Caesar didn't do well financially, and it made 63 million.

[1843] It did?

[1844] Worldwide.

[1845] Domestic 30 million.

[1846] Yeah.

[1847] Budget was 22 million.

[1848] So great.

[1849] It was a profitable film, and I didn't mean to be disparaging about it.

[1850] You weren't.

[1851] Yeah.

[1852] You weren't at all.

[1853] But I was just being specific.

[1854] This box office thing has become a hot button topic between you and I. Why?

[1855] We have to tread so carefully.

[1856] Why?

[1857] Because that we got in a fight about?

[1858] Yeah, about Beverly Hills cop.

[1859] Right.

[1860] Yeah.

[1861] Yeah, I got touchy.

[1862] We don't really seem to avoid things that are touchy.

[1863] No, but it is funny like in any given relationship, like people would be like, well, we just know not to talk about religion or politics.

[1864] And our thing is we don't talk.

[1865] We know better than to talk about box office numbers.

[1866] One thing, I feel like, you know, you asked him about his virginity.

[1867] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[1868] You voiced this concern after the, we recorded it.

[1869] Yeah, I think I know what you're going to say.

[1870] Go ahead.

[1871] Oh, I don't even remember that.

[1872] But I, you know, you asked me about his virginity and then he told us when it was.

[1873] And I think the reaction was.

[1874] It was really sweet.

[1875] Mm -hmm.

[1876] It was really sweet that he, like, waited or that he was 20, 20.

[1877] Mm -hmm.

[1878] But, and I don't think I said this after, because I don't think I thought it.

[1879] This is a different thing.

[1880] Oh.

[1881] Yeah.

[1882] But when I was listening, I was like, hmm, I don't know that we need to act like it's good or bad.

[1883] Sure.

[1884] At whatever age.

[1885] Yeah.

[1886] Yeah, but this kind of ties into one critique you had, which I, you know, I agree with because I have a hard time relating with it.

[1887] When a guy like him is so cute and has such a great personality, it's hard for me to imagine he didn't, like, have a lot of girlfriends.

[1888] And so I kind of thought maybe he was just plain innocent or not owning up to how much he chased skirt, as they would say in the 50s.

[1889] But then when it was revealed that he didn't have sex to 20, I then acknowledged, oh, no, he's legitimately was really shy and didn't approach women.

[1890] So for me, the cuteness came from the fact that, oh, he wasn't just being, he really was shy.

[1891] And I guess I thought it was the shyness that was cute.

[1892] Right.

[1893] That's true.

[1894] But also just because you aren't having sex doesn't necessarily mean because.

[1895] because you're shy.

[1896] He's not playing pocketpool and stuff.

[1897] He could be a total pervert.

[1898] Is that what you're saying?

[1899] No, that is the opposite of what I'm saying.

[1900] Okay, okay.

[1901] I'm saying that it would be just fine.

[1902] Yeah.

[1903] Yes, absolutely.

[1904] Yeah, it's fine.

[1905] This is where I'm wrong.

[1906] I can admit I'm wrong.

[1907] I can only remember what me and my friends were like at that age.

[1908] Yeah.

[1909] And not everyone's that way.

[1910] Right.

[1911] Well, oh, you told me to fact check this, but we've talked about it on another episode, I think.

[1912] about the role reversal between English girls and all of that whole thing.

[1913] And I didn't then, and I still can't find anything to corroborate that.

[1914] So go ahead.

[1915] I'm going to have to find that.

[1916] You are.

[1917] I am going to because even when I had that lunch with Eric Weinstein, he was like, no way.

[1918] He said no way.

[1919] He said there's no way.

[1920] It goes totally against your point about biology.

[1921] and evolution and men needing to spread their seed and women being, which you act on that a lot.

[1922] I sure do, but I never would underestimate the power of culture.

[1923] We do so many things that are like completely bonkers to our biology.

[1924] If that's true, then that argument should override all of these other arguments.

[1925] Like, then we can train a culture to not have any of that.

[1926] Yeah, we can transcend all of our stuff.

[1927] I'm very pro -transcending our animal instincts.

[1928] You and I just generally argue, in my opinion, I'm interested in causality or explanation, not excuse.

[1929] That's where you and I seem to cross wires.

[1930] You think I'm making an excuse.

[1931] I'm just interested in the explanation.

[1932] And I'm fine to then transcend that, but I think it's relevant to know what you're up against for.

[1933] Well, and then what I need is you to say, but we can move beyond, and we can and into a solution.

[1934] Yeah, but the tasty thing we could debate is how is it going to evolve?

[1935] Like there is a mating ritual between animals and the current mating ritual seems to be increasingly getting outmoded.

[1936] It's not, it needs to change, but it's going to require an equal.

[1937] evolution on the female side as there is in the male side.

[1938] So the male's got to fucking pump the brakes and get respectful.

[1939] And then women are going to have to be more assertive or people just aren't going to fuck.

[1940] Agreed.

[1941] Yes.

[1942] I agree.

[1943] Yeah.

[1944] So I don't know.

[1945] So I'm fully game for the conversation for young boys.

[1946] But I'm not hearing any conversation about what are young girls being told.

[1947] Well, I think right now there's a focus on.

[1948] Well, let's clean up this thing first.

[1949] The thing that's more harmful.

[1950] Sure.

[1951] Sure.

[1952] And then, but I totally agree with you that it does require a full societal shift across both genders.

[1953] Yeah.

[1954] Yeah.

[1955] That's all.

[1956] Okay, great.

[1957] Wonderful.

[1958] I think we fixed it.

[1959] We fixed it.

[1960] I love you.

[1961] I love you.

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