#418 - Jeremy Stephens, Eddie Bravo

[0] The Joe Rogan experience.

[1] Train by day, Joe Rogan, podcast by night, all day.

[2] While we were doing the commercials, it was just too good.

[3] I had to stop and just make the podcast live because on Sirius Adelaide Radio, none of that other stuff will go on because it's all the commercials.

[4] But talking about, we were talking, I'm here with Jeremy Stevens, Little Heathen, in the house, and the great Eddie Bravo, my brother.

[5] Thank you for having.

[6] And we're going to talk about the UFC for sure.

[7] Right now we were talking about lucid dreaming, and Eddie was bringing up the fact that you can, you can if you study like methods there's books that they have there's exercises you can do where you can tvdies try to figure out how to get yourself in a state where you can have a lucid dream and you did it a couple times and again lucid dreams a lot of people think lucid dreams are crystal clear dreams lucid dreaming is when you know you are dreaming not a crystal clear profound dream it's when you figure out your dreaming you can control everything everything becomes super clear like all once i figured it out I was dreaming and it worked all these DVD talks to you while you're sleeping and then it wakes you up he's trying to wake you up in your dream you're dreaming wake up you're dreaming wake up control this DVD you're saying that teaches you how to you go to sleep at this is that what you do and there's all these mental exercises you do you have to think of a you're on an island with you know think about the person you want to dream with and all that it's really hard it's easier just to go to fucking sleep what if you got to like if it's a five DVD series you got to like DVD number five and it's like and I'm going to come to my house and you're going to unsit my pants and you're going to suck my cock like it's programming you it's all programming people across the country to be this guy's blowjob slave but the two most popular things there's a lot there's black belts at lucid dreaming if you have the it's a mental exercise and you just want to go to sleep generally at night so it's very hard to do you have to be militant and you have to be sharping you know while you're tired and ready to go to sleep it's hard but it worked a couple times for me in the Two things that most people like doing are flying.

[8] As soon as they figure out they're in a dream, they go, fuck, I'm going to fly.

[9] Fuck, I'm flying shit.

[10] And then sex.

[11] They go right to sex.

[12] And it's true because the two times it worked for me. And when I used to have lucid dreams as a kid, I actually had them when I was a kid once or twice a year.

[13] And I'm talking about being like eight or nine years old.

[14] And the first thing I wanted to do was just like find a girl and make out with her and just like hump her.

[15] It was a weird thing.

[16] It was a weird thing.

[17] I was a wanted little kid.

[18] It was a weird thing.

[19] I wanted to go look for girls.

[20] girls.

[21] And I remember these lucid dreams.

[22] I remember a couple.

[23] I'll never forget.

[24] Well, isn't it amazing that when your hormones are at your highest, that's when you're the youngest and dumbest and not able to control that shit at all.

[25] Think about you're 13.

[26] Your shit is killing you.

[27] All day, you're baffled.

[28] It's like you went through your whole life, you know, feeling like pretty much the same dude, just slowly growing.

[29] And then all of a sudden, you get into a storm of confusion in high school.

[30] Where your dick is hard all day.

[31] You don't know what the fuck it's going and god forbid you find a girl's willing to touch your dick oh my god you stick to her like glue like she she's like your drug dealer you're a crack addict and she's your drug dealer and you hang around with it no matter what stay clock you can't even believe it's like my favorite thing is to hang out with a girl when the fuck did that happen even if it's just making out because it's gonna be making out for i make it out it's awesome you just want to make out for i want to go to movie just to make out just like whatever fuck the movie let's just make out it's the only private spot at 13 that you could find it's dark but anyways about these dreams i ended up doing it twice and that's what I did the first time as soon as I figured out I was dreaming because you are dreaming I'm like I am dreaming everything became really bright and immediately I flew with my hands down like that like fucking Iron Man through canons and it was so bright and all I kept thinking was I can't believe this is a dream this is so clear this is so vivid that's all I was thinking dreams are amazing and I'm flying through canons like Iron Man and I thought oh I'm gonna have sex now and this is when I was single this is before I was married so I was a single man So immediately from the I remember like a video I descended from the can into the canons And up came this girl hiker This hot girl and she just smiled at me Like a dream in a movie Like if this was in a movie I came down into the canyon She's hiking, she's hot And we I take off her clothes And we start love making And I couldn't And I remember thinking I can't believe this is a dream This is so real And then bam I woke up With a vicious boner.

[32] Yeah, right there I woke up.

[33] It was so crystal clear.

[34] I just got too excited.

[35] I'm like, I can't believe this is a dream.

[36] I feel like I'm having sex right now.

[37] That's always been my issue.

[38] You're coming all the time.

[39] But no, really.

[40] That's always been my issue with lucid dreams.

[41] They go way too easy.

[42] Because you get excited because you can't believe you're dreaming, yeah.

[43] And you know that all you got to do is open your eyes and then you start opening your goddamn eyes.

[44] Take those supplements.

[45] Hit the Sprint program that we're on.

[46] I'm telling you, man, you'll dream amazing dreams.

[47] What's a sprint program are you on?

[48] Just the Alliance Sprint program.

[49] What's the Alliance Sprint program?

[50] It's basically just for like the first minute, 15 seconds, like you're running by yourself, like at a 15 incline.

[51] So it's all treadmill sprinting?

[52] It's treadmill sprinting.

[53] Then we also do 400 meters 15 times.

[54] So we're running around the track.

[55] That's one sprint 15 times like 55, 50 second rest, and then again, boom.

[56] So this is something that everyone on the team does?

[57] Pretty much, yeah.

[58] Wow.

[59] Is that unique to an MMA camp that a team has a?

[60] a single strength and conditioning protocol that kind of everybody follows like a I think I think it's very important just to follow a set structure yeah you know you know the you know the ground rules it's kind of like how we're talking about the math program the other day the lumosity stuff you just basically set like a good foundation if you have good stability good foundation I think I think it's you're a lot more easier to can yeah but does do a lot of MMA camps have that like they have like a sprint series that the whole camp will do every week or you know a strength and conditioning series that the whole camp will do I imagine I think I think I I've heard of, like, Greg Jackson.

[61] I think he's real famous for his sand domes.

[62] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[63] Something like that.

[64] So I think, I think that's a good one.

[65] You see about, like, Carlos Condit and guys like that always hitting some high altitude.

[66] And I know Diego Sanchez is all big into altitude.

[67] But I think everybody either does their own thing or at least there is some type of structure where they do do Sam Doom.

[68] A lot of the big teams, at least.

[69] Yeah.

[70] Yeah, I think there's a big benefit to a team, isn't there?

[71] When you're a fighter, I mean, it's the most, it's the most.

[72] intimate, individual thing ever.

[73] It's the most lonely, separated.

[74] Selfish.

[75] Completely.

[76] Yeah, selfish.

[77] Completely on your own.

[78] But there's a massive benefit, obviously, to being a part of a team.

[79] Because you see, like, at this point in time, there seems to be, like, a separation.

[80] There's very few high -level fighters that are training, like, individually.

[81] That you don't know who they're training with.

[82] You don't hear about them training with anybody good.

[83] It's very, very few.

[84] It's usually guys that are sort of just getting into the game, and then they'll find, like when John Jones, before he joined Jackson's camp, he was up in upstate New York and, you know, didn't have guys like his level around there and, you know, and went over to Jackson's and then really started to catch a stride.

[85] He was searching for that coach.

[86] Yeah, you know, the full package.

[87] Yeah, yeah, I think a lot of the fighters need that.

[88] That's what I did with a lot of my time and money was spent searching for a coach and just a good camp, somebody that just fit me. And it took me a while to settle in.

[89] And, you know, I think I found that at Alliance MMA.

[90] Yeah, there's a gang of good camp.

[91] in this country now you know they're there at one point in time it was just like ATT and you know they're still good and they're still getting a lot of people I mean Tyrone Woodley oh yeah huge over the over the weekend god damn you know what this what I think this what I think of Tyrone Woodley is I'm I'm watching a GSP and I'm watching Johnny Hendricks I'm watching them and I'm and I'm really thinking I don't know this is a bad thing to say but I'm thinking like who cares who wins here because Tyrone Woodley's gonna come and fuck these dude, both these dudes up.

[92] Well, Tyrone Woodley just lost to Jake Shields.

[93] Yeah, but man. Before that, he got knocked out by Nate Markwar, too.

[94] I mean, I think Tyron Woodley's a bad motherfucker.

[95] I think he's going to rise.

[96] He's an amazing athlete.

[97] But Tyrone Woodley, he's, you know, he really has to, he beat Kochchek, but he really has to face, like, the really high -level guys, like, Carlos Kondit, and we'll see, like, if he's capable, I think he's an amazing athlete.

[98] And if he's not capable of beating those, that Calburg guy now, or he wasn't maybe a year ago when he fought Markwart.

[99] He's going to keep getting better.

[100] This is what I think.

[101] The only reason I say that is just based on that cost check fight, just based on that, he had all the potential, high -level wrestler, and he has a good striking.

[102] But in that cost -check fight, I saw a different human being.

[103] I never seen anybody throw punches that fast in MMA.

[104] That's the fastest, most powerful.

[105] You see those right hands?

[106] There was like several of them.

[107] You're like, what?

[108] I just missed it.

[109] It was just that you just saw a dispense.

[110] play of raw immense power like I don't see anybody throwing punches like that athleticism with precise that's that's how cost check you know it seems like he finally is putting it together i never did you notice that did you watch out and go holy fuck that was fast three different times not just once cost check used to be the same dude he came out you know he was wrestling people and everybody's like oh man you know this guy always he does his wrestling next thing you know he's knocking dudes out with the right hand because he's starting to feel a lot more confident yeah you know probably after the show he got into a good camp which where he now he's like oh man I know I have stand -up skills.

[111] I'm already an athlete.

[112] I know I can wrestle.

[113] Next thing, you know, he's starting to believe in his hands more.

[114] And I'd probably credit that to, like, him being down at an American top team, starting to train and use his athleticism because the dude's obviously a freak of nature.

[115] Did you see Woodley's fight with Jay Harron?

[116] I probably did, but, like, 90 % of mostly fights, I forget him.

[117] It was the first round knockout.

[118] It was incredible.

[119] It was just swarmed him.

[120] Doesn't it seem like the way he threw that right hand, like, no one will survive that thing if he connects?

[121] And it's so fast.

[122] He's got that.

[123] that's for sure you know and he's got the wrestling i think you know what happens with even the brazilian fighters too is high level jiu jiu juts they'll come in and they definitely are not where they need to be with their striking and some of them like super high level guys they come in and try m m a and they're they're they just haven't spent enough time with their striking and they'll just leave m mma and just go back to jiu jihitsu because they didn't get the striking was just too hard.

[124] But then there's some guys that stick it out and they go through rough patches and they lose because of their striking.

[125] People will criticize them because of their striking like Verduem, for instance.

[126] And then after a while they just stick it out.

[127] And like Damien Maya, they just stick it out.

[128] People talking shit on their striking.

[129] But they stick it out.

[130] They handle some losses and as long as they just keep going and keep their consistency up, all of a sudden, Fabusa Verdum is a dangerous striker now.

[131] All of a sudden, Damien Maia is a real legit striker now.

[132] You find out what type of man you are when you're winning you're on top everybody thinks you're all good but then when you lose you're like man like I really got to work on some things but you find out what type of man this guy's going to be is he going to go back out there is you going to work on things getting better is you just going to go out there and fold over and then that was it yeah for some fighters it is a big confidence hit that they never recover from they have this idea that they're unbeatable from the jump and then once someone beats them they have to sort of rethink their whole paradigm and some guys don't ever do it some guys come back stronger you know some guys come back from a loss and they're a different guy they're they're more focused more intense more aware they cut out all the bullshit in their camp they thought back on all the things that they did that might have crossed them it's wisdom you know it's just like growing and getting older making changes just even outside of fighting you know fighting doesn't define half these guys that are in the shotgun because a lot of them are real cool dudes you know everybody I've ever met been been like super down -to -earth awesome so you meet a lot of cool guys but it does it does play a difference you know yeah there's no doubt man there's no doubt.

[133] Do you think that you just cut down from 155 to 145 pounds?

[134] And that's like one of the big issues in MMA that people keep talking about is the amount of weight guys cut and how they cut it.

[135] You know, a guy like Tyron Woodley, what does he weigh?

[136] Dude, he's a beast.

[137] How is he, how is he 170?

[138] That makes zero sense.

[139] You know, I'm not racist to think, but you ever notice like black guys like really, really huge, right?

[140] I love when people say that and then they talk about black people.

[141] I'm not racist.

[142] and how was having a perfect body having a perfect body how is that how is liking watermelon bad watermelon's fucking delicious exactly and uh well they'll jump on the scale and then they're like they're not as heavier you know like their body's not as dense i remember this uh friend of mine back home uh demico and he was just this big dude and we used to work together at the same company and he would just eat whatever chips hot dogs whatever and he was just always jacked man never understood it you know and i'm like jealous i'm over here getting like a belly i'm like jesus no way man some dudes like that it's just having a mesomorphic frame.

[143] That's what it is.

[144] And that's what Tyrone Woodley is.

[145] He's an extreme mesomorph.

[146] You know, when you cut down to 145, how much did you have to lose?

[147] Man, I'm probably 176, 177 right now.

[148] Oh my God.

[149] I cut a lot of weight, but I cut at that to the fitness VT diet that I'm on in George Lockhart, who just knows how to weight cut.

[150] And I was thinking about it for a long time.

[151] And just the changes going down there, I'm a lot faster.

[152] I feel a lot more athletic.

[153] I'm working on my athleticism.

[154] I'm trying to be a lot more precise and just I know that the power is always there it's a lot more natural but I feel like I have just a better mental ledge I can I can use a lot more of tools at 145 pounds and you know I basically grew up inside the octagon I probably shouldn't have been there at a certain time it's just that my heart carried me through like a lot of fights so like I said I was searching for this camp to help me to help me out I'm like man it's good a hold of me I have I have talent you know I just wanted to get out of my hometown after a certain while I can only which was which was Des Moines Iowa okay and uh and uh You know, I was just like, man, I need to get a hold of some better guys.

[155] I got to train, get a higher level coaching.

[156] Right, right.

[157] You know, just different type of stuff.

[158] I mean, I didn't even have a striking coach.

[159] I was just going to gym, to gym, whichever was the best I was there.

[160] So I think I just credit to that, like we said, you know, my coaches and then, you know, making that cut, I need the George Lockhart and Fitness VT because he gives me everything.

[161] I mean, I'm water loading a lot.

[162] You know, I don't want to give away too much of this stuff, but I feel amazing.

[163] And it's the reload after the weight cut, the stuff and the things that he has me eat, specifics and everything that I'm calculating it's amazing and I feel how much you put back on so if you get down to 145 what do you weigh when you walk into the octagon about 170 Jesus Christ son oh my god are you using that's actually eating uh eating light yeah I do how many IV bags do you put it back in I do two I do one water like regular water and then I do like a warm temperature like a sodium bag just to obtain you have like if you didn't have those bags it would make a big difference right yeah hell yeah you can definitely tell there's some people that don't like you know, they don't want to do the bags.

[164] And I keep telling them at the high level, you know, you want to rehydrate scientifically.

[165] Very, very, yeah.

[166] Yeah, there was a guy in the UFC that got caught way back in the day because he was taking blood out of his body to make weight.

[167] They went to his hotel room.

[168] There was a doctor there and fucking bags of his blood.

[169] They took it out.

[170] I don't know what they did.

[171] They stored it somehow or another.

[172] I guess they had a freezer there or a refrigerator there or something.

[173] And they put it back in his body later.

[174] It's like blood doping, right?

[175] Like blood doping, yes, but, I mean, they're not giving them enough chance to rebuild the blood cells.

[176] The blood dumping, the way it works is your body rebuilds all those blood cells and then you reintroduce all this extra blood.

[177] You've got crazy amounts of blood now, and your body is eventually going to burn it off, but until then, enjoy the benefits of extreme production of oxygen or, you know, utilization of oxygen.

[178] That's what that EPO stuff does, too.

[179] That's what those cyclists keep getting busted for.

[180] That dude's going too hard.

[181] He's going too hard right there.

[182] So this guy, he cut the weight and then the last couple of pounds he took out in blood.

[183] Nice.

[184] And then he put it right back in when he went back.

[185] I'd probably, you know, some people pass on.

[186] I mean, you're already cutting down weight and then go to do that.

[187] You know, I guess depending on how much weight he cut.

[188] I've seen dudes that look like they're on death door.

[189] I've seen dudes that are cutting weight.

[190] Like Travis Luter when he fought Anderson Silva, I've never seen a guy look worse in my life that's still alive.

[191] He was shuffling.

[192] He couldn't walk, man. He was shuffling towards the scale the second time he was making weight.

[193] his lips were chapped as fuck his whole face was sucked in he looked like he was dying I mean he was dying he was essentially draining himself out but he just miscalculated he couldn't get down he was this close to beating Anderson Silva damn he was all over at all the guys who were like super talented that didn't live up to their potential Travis Luter might be number one in my book he's one of those guys you're talking about the train himself trained himself he didn't like he didn't like was he from Midwest too he was from Texas from Texas and he went to Jackson's towards the last few fights of his career I think he was at Jackson's when he lost in Natal and I think that might have been the last fight he's got some back issues though too from jiu -jitsu who doesn't you know you you know constantly training and rolling and you're going to get some back issues Ricardo LeBoreo told me he's got like six bulging discs or seven bulging discs something crazy these guys are all like a little bit jacked up they're back so needs to get on the lacrosse ball man medicine ball and yeah that there are canes Dude, I swear by those.

[194] Like, it opens up my posture.

[195] If I start going like this, I don't know if you see people are watching, like you'll start getting rounded.

[196] Like Vanderley, you can't throw a straight punch.

[197] Right.

[198] But if you get into a lacrosse ball and you're able to break up your peck minor, your peck major, your lats, your traps, you know, even like your scapula and you're able to get in those knots that are hurt.

[199] Your elbow's not going to hurt anymore because you're elongating the muscles that need to be elongated, you know, if you're talking about like a rumble roller?

[200] No, like a lacrosse ball.

[201] A cross ball or like a softball or a baseball or a baseball.

[202] Something hard, like I get in my hip flexors Because constantly running, wrestling, being like on your thing Like, my knees will start to hurt So I'll get on like a lacrosse ball I mean, I'll break up everything Every muscle down from my hip I'll start at like the glute, the hip flexor And I just - Does it ever accidentally go up your ass?

[203] Never, never, never, no man You're not trying hard enough How many times does that happen to you?

[204] Three, four, whatever Hey, did you wrestle?

[205] Yeah, as a kid, as a kid growing up, I did Jeremy, you might get closer to my...

[206] Oh, sorry, yeah.

[207] It makes it just big difference in the heart sounds.

[208] Is that better?

[209] Yeah.

[210] I don't want to brief too hard.

[211] You can just do it like this.

[212] You can just do it like this and bring it towards you.

[213] Nice, God.

[214] There you go.

[215] Look at that.

[216] Nice.

[217] I actually grew up wrestling as a kid.

[218] One of my uncles, it was my grandfather, he was real big into, like, wrestling and boxing and stuff like that.

[219] So when my parents were kind of going through a hard time, he's the one who encouraged me to get into wrestling, get involved in sports like that.

[220] So I started wrestling as a kid.

[221] How old?

[222] About five.

[223] years old until did you wrestle in high school uh i did wrestle in high school i wrestled uh one year in high school uh my my parents had a had a complication so i was kind of i was transferring like a lot of schools so i was kind of wrestling but like i was on like another side of town than one week i was on another side of town there's a recipe for becoming a fighter yeah yeah yeah so when i when i wrestled i wasn't like great or anything i had just you know used heart just out there strongholding people and and and that's basically how i got involved with ufc was through my grandfather watching that so So I do have a little bit of a wrestling background.

[224] I'd say my wrestling's a lot better now, working with good guys, Olympic level guys, guys like Dominic Cruise, coach is pushing me. So I'm always in there with, like, a good set of dudes, you know, that are just kidding me. How long have you been with Alliance now?

[225] You're in San Diego, right?

[226] You're trained down there?

[227] Yeah, about three years now.

[228] That's awesome.

[229] Solid, yeah.

[230] The first year it took me a while to get used to it, man. We train hard up there.

[231] We spar hard, we go hard.

[232] A lot of drills, a lot of technique.

[233] It took you, like, what was the biggest transition, the hardest part of it?

[234] Conditioning, or what was it?

[235] was hard to get used to just the day and day out just the uh i mean i say i hung in there you know it's not i mean i have my good days my bad days but it's just it's just everybody's after the same goals the same dreams but it's the day in day out you know anybody can fight we can go right to the chevron you know and to start a fight you know anybody can just go fight but when you when you actually discipline yourself it's the day in you know the hardest thing is like man you're sore like you're talking about you're like oh man i got to get up i got to go train you know you want to disappoint your your boys let alone do you want to lose the fight you know you got to give up who you are now for who you want to be in the future.

[236] Yeah, George Saint -Pierre was talking about after the fight.

[237] It was an interesting thing.

[238] I don't want to hear none about George St. Pierre on this podcast.

[239] Can you imagine?

[240] You imagine we just made a plot?

[241] Yeah, we should have trolled everyone else.

[242] You're like, you're right, you're right.

[243] It's not talking about.

[244] Fuck that fight.

[245] It's not even that important.

[246] Yeah, I don't want it.

[247] That's the last thing.

[248] But he was talking about how he can't sleep.

[249] He's got a few personal issues apparently, allegedly that's being reported online.

[250] And unfortunately with his family's health and what have you.

[251] I don't know what's true.

[252] What's not true.

[253] But that's what the story is, which makes a ton of sense where he's saying that he can't sleep.

[254] You know, he's having a real hard time.

[255] He thinks he's going crazy.

[256] Aliens.

[257] And, yeah, he was talking about it on the podcast.

[258] He said he gets abducted by aliens.

[259] But I think also it's just fucking hard to keep up.

[260] I think what you're saying about the day in, day out, day out.

[261] And intensify that even more when you're in the champ.

[262] And you're in the top of a hill with a bunch of hungry sharks nipping at your feet.

[263] I bet he's stressed out all the time, man. I'm telling you, you got to have those type of lacrosse balls.

[264] Like, you got to keep your stress levels down because if you're stressed out all the time, say a fight week, I'm stressed out all week, I'm just, I can't get my weight, I'm stressing out, I'm freaking out, I'm going through crazy.

[265] So my nervous system is just going to become like erratic.

[266] It's like, man, we are stressing, we are going crazy right now.

[267] By the time you go to fight and you need all those hormones that you need to go, like, boost yourself up, get yourself back into that mode, your body's just like, no, bro, we're already tapped out, you know?

[268] We've been freaking out all week.

[269] You should have been chilling out.

[270] So then, like, you're just like, boom, you just hit like a crash.

[271] as compared to if like you're relaxed all week you're chilling out you're not really you're just thinking the good vibes you know weight's going down things are just going beautiful everything's looking sharp but you're just keeping yourself relaxed the whole time so then when you go to fight you're energized to the max you're like boom all right now this is what we train for you know yeah that's the adrenaline dump right that's all week or a few days leaving up to it she's a lot of guys a little tense man I think I think it's just relax bro and you know like this is this is the fight game where we have small gloves this isn't boxing you know where you're hitting yourself with 16s, which is even bad as it is.

[272] These guys, man, some of these dudes that are swinging at you that, you know, they can put you out any second, you know, like, it just takes a hit.

[273] How about shins, man?

[274] How about your fight with Honey Jason?

[275] How about that shin that you caught him with in the first round?

[276] Holy shit.

[277] Did you see that fight?

[278] God damn, dude.

[279] And let me tell you something.

[280] That follow -up right hand was ferocious.

[281] There was no hesitation.

[282] You cracked him with that and you were on autopilot.

[283] You just launched that right hand on him, and that shit was perfect.

[284] Pull that up, Brian.

[285] Pull that video up.

[286] Jeremy Stevens versus Ronnie Jason, R -O -N -Y.

[287] You pronounce it, Honey.

[288] You need a poster.

[289] You know what, make a great poster that big right there?

[290] It's a poster of that uppercut.

[291] You know, that big uppercut?

[292] Like that right in mid -upercut.

[293] Thank you, man. Oh, the Raphael Dosanios uppercut?

[294] Would that make a great poster?

[295] Come on.

[296] I think you'd be good, but I'd have to give the poster away, man. I don't like looking at stuff like that.

[297] Right.

[298] I read this book one time, this architect, because people will come up to me as like, oh, man, like, what was your favorite fight or whatever?

[299] and I always tell on my next one, you know, because I just think of like visualization, you know, visionary, you know, like, I always want, like, it was a cool knockout.

[300] I appreciate her, but give me, like, all the love.

[301] But there's still more work in the gym that I've been working on, you know.

[302] And I've been, I've been at this for a while, but I really feel like I'm just starting to, like, barely tap into my potential.

[303] How old are you getting better?

[304] 27?

[305] Yeah, and I, my first, my 21st birthday, I fought, it was my, that was I fought Den Thomas.

[306] You just must have been some crazy motherfucker coming up locally, right?

[307] Right?

[308] For you to, like, for Joe Silva to take notice of you, you're 21 years old and they go, we got to put this fucking beast.

[309] Were you beasting people in Iowa?

[310] What was going on?

[311] Yeah, I was doing the same.

[312] I was hitting people with spinning back fist, flying knees.

[313] You were knocking everybody out.

[314] Knocking a lot of guys out.

[315] Not everybody.

[316] You know, I had a few submissions and stuff like that.

[317] What was your record before the UFC?

[318] I think it was like 7 -1, 8 -1, something like that.

[319] Mostly?

[320] Mostly, yep, comes from knockouts.

[321] Vicious knockouts?

[322] Did you have a highlight reel of like vicious striking?

[323] Like, how did Joe Silver?

[324] Actually, my highlight rule is so old because anytime I put something for the UFC up there, they just take it down, you know, so I don't really get a chance.

[325] Not a lot of people.

[326] Everybody, like, it probably, like, YouTube's me. It's probably like, man, this is old school stuff.

[327] Like, where's this?

[328] You know, but when you fight a UFC guy, you have the honor to be like, hey, can you send me over his tapes?

[329] And then you got all the UFC tapes.

[330] What do you think about that about how they do?

[331] Here's the K. Here's the K -O right here.

[332] This is the slow -mo version of it.

[333] Oh, my God, that shit is perfect.

[334] And look at this.

[335] Dude, that might be one of the best one -toos ever.

[336] Boom and blam.

[337] God.

[338] Dude, that shit is ferocious.

[339] That's what I'm talking about right there.

[340] When they say, if I like that, I like that.

[341] I like seeing violence, you know that.

[342] I'm a big, for violence.

[343] I like watching it.

[344] Fan of concussions.

[345] Yeah.

[346] But when we're talking about the Rusamar Pahas thing where he held on the tap too late or too long.

[347] See, man, I think he got, I'm going to get a bit, controversial on this.

[348] I think he got a bum deal on that, because I think what he held on to was barely a second.

[349] And yeah, it's fucked up to do, and he does it, but he did it way worse in the past, and I think he's at least a little bit crazy.

[350] I think it's real hard to get that guy to let go.

[351] I think when he's trying to tap you, it's some life and death shit.

[352] He grew up on a farm.

[353] He, like, had no school, and he was eating pig slop when he was 13.

[354] I mean, I think you're not dealing with a regular dude here.

[355] Yeah, that's a very aggressive behavior to be living I never heard that about him but I imagine that's a little bit more of an aggressive behavior than a human human...

[356] Grew up in a very, very, very, very tough environment and much, much harder than I think most of us can comprehend.

[357] Listen, listen, but...

[358] That just blows me away, dude, that's crazy.

[359] Yeah, he's eating pig slop.

[360] He has a giant scar on his chest from when they couldn't get...

[361] He had cut open and they couldn't get a medical attention, so they used like crazy glue on it and try to pinch it together.

[362] He's a giant scar on his chest.

[363] I agree with you, though.

[364] I think he got a raw deal because I think if there's something wrong with what he did, then there's something wrong with what Dan Henderson did to Bisbing or what you just did right there.

[365] I love that show.

[366] No, no, no, no. He didn't get called off and that guy could have jumped up any second now.

[367] I don't think, yeah, you know what I know was bad.

[368] Like I happened to land the kick and then I came right back to my base.

[369] I kind of saw him go to get up, which I thought maybe he was TKO because I knew it was a good shot.

[370] And I didn't expect it.

[371] I expected to land and land hard, at least like scaring, but he leaned into that.

[372] And it was basically off faints.

[373] So then when I kicked it, I landed back on my base, and he kind of, like, went to, like, get up.

[374] Like, it almost looked like he went to get up.

[375] I mean, it's a short split second that you have to decide.

[376] You know, but, like, I'm a lion, bro.

[377] I have a family to feed.

[378] You know, I love that.

[379] Hey, I'm not, I love that.

[380] Well, you got to think about a guy, like Diego Sanchez.

[381] That's what I think about.

[382] When anybody wants to stop a fight too soon, I think about a guy like Diego Sanchez.

[383] Because Diego Sanchez, you could hit that dude with a meteor.

[384] He wants to go out on his shoe.

[385] You can hit him with a meteor, and he comes running.

[386] back at you.

[387] Even more powerful.

[388] Fights his mouthpiece and starts fucking...

[389] Bato style.

[390] So if you cracked him, I mean, I think that shin might have knocked out any human being on Earth.

[391] But it is possible that a guy...

[392] I mean, Diego's been hit with some bombs, goes down and somehow another recovery.

[393] Oh, I've cracked him before, and we do the same thing.

[394] We've done this in his backyard.

[395] There's a YouTube video of it.

[396] And we just start throwing down, and that's the type of guy Diego is, and he does bring that out in you, man. I've had the funnest times training with Diego Sanchez.

[397] I owe him a lot, you know, for him, me being here, getting to the next level.

[398] Him and Josh Neer, like, one of my inspirational dudes, and I'm hanging out with these guys when I'm young, and when he had a chance to invite me out and train with him, like, I had the funnest time to train with Diego Sanchez.

[399] He's a wild man. He's a real wild man. He's the most, in my opinion, the most consistently entertaining fighter, like, maybe ever.

[400] I got a question for you.

[401] Who would you rather be?

[402] Would you rather be...

[403] He's so crazy.

[404] Would you rather be Mike Pierce?

[405] Yeah, he's crazy.

[406] Would you rather be Mike Pierce?

[407] Okay.

[408] Or go through what Mike Pierce went through with it.

[409] Hussamar Pahas.

[410] You have to live through it.

[411] Or live through what Honey Jason went through.

[412] Well, the thing, Mike Pierce can heal his knee up.

[413] He can get surgically replaced.

[414] Nothing tore.

[415] Nothing tore.

[416] You're sprained his knee.

[417] You're absolutely right in that situation.

[418] When you deal with the consequences, I think the amount, I would way, way, way rather be Mike Pierce.

[419] Way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way.

[420] But the difference is that he has a choice to let those submissions go.

[421] It's not like a strike that's in motion during the middle of the contest in absolute legal time he connects.

[422] Jeremy connects with a perfectly placed shin and then a perfectly placed right hand right afterwards.

[423] That is, that is, there's no referee stop in that fight.

[424] There's no one, he knows this motherfucker's tapping, he knows the referee's touching him.

[425] That's where it gets weird.

[426] Where it gets weird is he fucking knows.

[427] You know he knows, I know he knows.

[428] Anybody's ever put a heel hook on anybody ever in their life knows.

[429] That guy was tapping.

[430] He knew he was tapping.

[431] He knew the ref was stepping in.

[432] He knew the fight was over and he still held on.

[433] Yeah, but, but this is what I'm saying is, when it comes to submissions, right, there's, you see the submission coming, he wraps up his leg, if you watch the fight, the rough is right there, he sees the submission coming, he's right there, he's ready to go, so as soon as he taps, he goes, okay, stop, and then he held on a little bit long.

[434] In these cases, the referee is far away, so if the referee was right next to him, he would stop the fight in that last punch.

[435] Well, that's a good argument logically.

[436] The problem with that is that you're dealing with a choice.

[437] And when the guy is holding on to a submission, it's a choice.

[438] No, but let's say...

[439] It's not a momentum.

[440] Let's say you knock some...

[441] There have been fights where do knock someone out.

[442] And again, I love the violence.

[443] I love it.

[444] I'm not saying cut it.

[445] I'm just saying you can't knock Rousa Marpa Harris because it happens.

[446] When Dan Anderson cracked Bisbing in that situation, there is a chance.

[447] I don't know exactly what was going on in Dan Harrison's brain, but there was a shot where he knows he's out, but I'm going to fuck him up one more time.

[448] The rep's too far away to stop that.

[449] Shit.

[450] You know what I'm saying?

[451] Well, he actually talked about it.

[452] He kind of knows.

[453] Like, he kind of knows.

[454] No, no, no, he doesn't kind of know.

[455] He talked about it in the post -party press conference.

[456] He said he wanted to shut him up.

[457] Shut him up.

[458] But that's all legal because the referee, if the referee's not there, that shit's on him.

[459] That guy is in survival mode.

[460] He's in full war mode.

[461] I agree.

[462] I like that.

[463] What I'm saying is what happened with Rismar Pahars is exactly the sense.

[464] It's not.

[465] Here's where it would be different.

[466] If the referee, if the referee told him to stop and got in front of him and he pushed the referee aside and still smashed him.

[467] Then, that's happened before.

[468] Then it would be worse than what Hussamar Pahas did.

[469] Because he's hitting a concussed fighter and won the referees already stopped the contest.

[470] This was just a race and this is in the rules.

[471] That guy was talking shit.

[472] He decided to crack him.

[473] He saw him going down.

[474] He's like, you know what, bitch, I'm going to give you one more before the referee gets here.

[475] We all know what it was.

[476] He was there, but the referee was out of position.

[477] So what I'm saying, I know it wasn't exactly the same because I am aware.

[478] The ref did.

[479] stop him but it was the amount of time and it's almost like you crack a dude like that and it's happened a bunch you know like the fighter there's been a times where a guy gets cracked he knocks out he knocks the guys out and goes I'm not going to hit him again stop it rough right yeah you know what I mean like like Machita did to Mark Munoz so there's a choice there so there's still a choice well those guys are friends yeah but big difference between Machita and Munoz who don't get me wrong I like I would rather have the guy get hit one more time I like when guys get jacked I like when guys get knocked the fuck out.

[480] I enjoy that.

[481] This is where, I don't agree.

[482] That was kind of a stoppage.

[483] You know, that could have been questionable, but the guy has done it a couple times.

[484] Yes, that's where it's problem.

[485] So now they're going like, okay, what the heck.

[486] But the guy actually made a statement.

[487] He goes, I couldn't fill the guy a tap because the referee was on me. Now, that's a, that's a key point where, like, dude, the referee's on you.

[488] Like, what are you doing?

[489] Well, the referees just check and I make sure the heel hook is applied correctly.

[490] You know, he's not putting in your mouth piece.

[491] That's such a goddamn dumb statement.

[492] statement if he actually didn't say that.

[493] It sucks that he got cut there.

[494] He's always amazing.

[495] You know what?

[496] Scary guy at 172.

[497] Because of he doesn't really listen and he enjoys it and he enjoys the reputation of being a guy that rips knees apart because he's done it before.

[498] He had to get cut.

[499] I understand why Dana cut him.

[500] Cut him for like a year, but you've got to have that animal back.

[501] Bring him back.

[502] Let him suffer for a year and bring him back.

[503] He's always a threat to anybody at any time.

[504] Well, especially at one.

[505] And there's no other guys like that There's no other guys that could jump on you With heel hooks like that There's nobody doing that We need that, he says Sort of, but Dean Lister was never as dynamic as that Dean Lister fought in the UFC a few times He never had that kind of crazy, scary performance Dean is very, very good, don't get me wrong And he's grappling is world class He's excellent But Dean never had that kind of appearance in the UFC Where he just attacked someone like a fucking wild animal He's very explosive and Dean wasn't known Dean was known as a mauler like a grizzly bear.

[506] He wasn't known as an explosive entity.

[507] They were supposed to do a jiu -jitsu match.

[508] And I was traveling.

[509] I don't think it went down because I think Pala Harris or somebody got hurt.

[510] But I think Dean Lister would get him.

[511] Yeah, Dean's like an intelligent mauler.

[512] That's a good way to describe it.

[513] Like an intelligent mauler.

[514] He's very technical.

[515] And he just knows exactly where to be in the right position.

[516] He's strong as fuck.

[517] He's a beast.

[518] Dude, he's crazy.

[519] He'd always tell me he goes, because I train with him and he's always like, no matter what, even when I feel like I'm in like a horrible position and he's like there's many options here Jeremy and sometimes he doesn't even know he'll be like go back there again do this do that and like he'll be like okay and then like he'll just come up with something like right there and he'll have an escape for it and he's so he's such a big dude but he rolls like 125 pounds he's a bad motherfucker it's a real shame that Gene Lister had to go into MMA because like if there was I think there should be a real professional jiu jiu -jitsu on television like on ESPN the same way they have tennis or the same way they have anything else just figure out how to do like an Abu Dhabi style, submission only thing, put it on TV.

[520] And it would be a good base for that to maybe, maybe to come in the future for like, maybe like a UFC event.

[521] But I think jujitsu and like submission wrestling would be a solid base.

[522] Yeah, I think by itself, I think just by itself, jujitsu is still very, very exciting.

[523] And there's some guys that are just never going to make that transition of striking.

[524] It's like we were talking about with some guys just don't, they just don't get there.

[525] And some guys do, like Fabricia Verdoom or Damien Maya or what have you.

[526] Or Mark Munoz, guys would get better and better at striking and become like a dangerous threat on their feet as well.

[527] But it would be nice to see them just do what they're awesome at.

[528] Why should a soccer player also have to learn how to play baseball?

[529] You know what I mean?

[530] Or something right in between, like combat jihitsu.

[531] It's right in between.

[532] No striking standing, it's wrestling standing, but on the ground you could punch to the face.

[533] That makes, it's right in the middle between Nogi grappling and M .A. It's not quite as hardcore as M. But it's more exciting because on the ground there'd be less stalling because you could punch to the face on the moon.

[534] It's almost like old UFC without like all like maybe the violence that people don't want to see.

[535] So you have like this Russian Sambo dude versus this like Brazilian in the Olympics.

[536] I think that would be incredible.

[537] You know like the wrestling, the jiu jitsu mix, you know?

[538] Yeah, it's to be sick.

[539] People, but they would cross train.

[540] Everybody would cross train.

[541] Nobody would ever do just jiu jitsu versus samba.

[542] Let's just figure this out what style is better.

[543] Yeah.

[544] Everybody would cross train.

[545] You know, you got to learn other guys' techniques as well.

[546] Or you're cross train, not admit it.

[547] Well, you know what's really interesting, man, is combat sombo.

[548] Because they're kind of doing MMA, but then they're also doing judo, because they have like judo kimonos on.

[549] Yeah, that's another in between MMA and grappling.

[550] That's probably the closest.

[551] That's what I'm saying, that those guys would face like a jujitsu guy, because back in the early days, it was like a boxer versus this.

[552] So if we got this in the Olympics, I think everybody from some sort of grappling would want to be like, okay, let's compete with these people.

[553] Yeah, and the safety level is amazingly high when you think.

[554] think about, you know, the injury rates in NASCAR, the injury rates of fucking polo, you know?

[555] I mean, dudes get jacked riding horses, man. Oh, for sure.

[556] That shit falls all the time.

[557] Horse races, guys fall off, break their necks, get stomped.

[558] I mean, how many of those go a year?

[559] It's, it's, but you've got to know when you've had enough, right?

[560] For sure.

[561] That's probably one of the most important things for a fighter to be aware of.

[562] Every fighter in the gym knows at least one guy that didn't figure it out.

[563] Yeah, yeah, that's sad, you know.

[564] He has a lot of heart, but at the same time, it's kind of stupid, you know.

[565] Like, if I felt like I was getting knocked out, like, three times in a row, two times, you know, I would just, you know, pay respect to my family, you know.

[566] It would be like, thank UFC for letting me enjoy this, you know, and this and that.

[567] Eventually, I would just walk away and, you know, eventually open up a gym or something like that.

[568] Super hard to admit that, though, the guy's done.

[569] They're always, I mean, you know as much as anybody that there's always wonders after a loss.

[570] Like, if you had done something differently, would the fight have played out differently?

[571] if you had trained with a different coach, would you have been able to see that come?

[572] And if you had done this differently, would that have happened to?

[573] And those thoughts, they never go away.

[574] You never get to a real people.

[575] It's natural to fill those thoughts and wonder, because I actually been clipped before that time.

[576] I just thought I was almost like a Mike Tyson thing.

[577] I felt like surreal in there.

[578] Like I could just go in there and braw and just slug it out.

[579] Then eventually, oh, I actually went to some bad problems and stuff.

[580] And I got caught by Eves Edwards.

[581] You know, he's a great dude, but honestly, I think I could have beat him and I could have played that fight a lot more different.

[582] I was asking myself, man, you know, it was, you know, my weak chin now.

[583] You know, I've been hit with solid shots, but it just didn't land.

[584] So finally, I just, you know, like I just talked to my coaches.

[585] I talked to a sports psychologist, and I just picked myself up, dust myself off.

[586] I knew I was getting better in the gym and the progress.

[587] It just wasn't there yet.

[588] And again, like, just we started lining things up.

[589] Everything started connecting a lot better, and I ended up being a better fighter from it.

[590] Now, if I was continued to, and I still have fun with this, dude.

[591] I'm still learning so much.

[592] I mean, we could probably roll right now, and I'd probably learn something new or just like a different way, a different route.

[593] So I love that aspect about fighting.

[594] I mean, I'm sitting here talking to you, Rogan, and you too as well.

[595] So I'm like, I'm all pumped up.

[596] You know, I've never done this if it wasn't for like M &A, so it's like changed my life.

[597] And the moment I stopped having fun with it and stop learning.

[598] Just like Charles Darwin said, you know, the most, the longest sort of survive was the one to adapt to change.

[599] And I just totally agree with that.

[600] There's some young beasts that coming in.

[601] the UFC.

[602] I mean, Sergio Pettis, how old is that kid?

[603] He just looked sweet.

[604] Incredible.

[605] Awesome.

[606] You know, that type of talent's actually coming in.

[607] So you've got to be able to adapt and adjust.

[608] You can't just be the same stand -in -the -pocket type brawler, dude.

[609] You got to...

[610] That's what's going to make you great is that attitude, too, that being in love with the idea of learning things.

[611] One of the beautiful things about MMA, and, you know, well, even in Jiu -Jitsu, it's like you never run out of things in Jiu -Jitsu.

[612] You never learn out of techniques.

[613] Now, you add striking to that and, you know, and then wrestling to that it's like there's a never -ending ocean of techniques out there bizarre are you throwing are you working on like wheel kicks and shit like that and spinning back kicks yeah yeah have you seen his videos of him kicking the bag no are you hitting spinning back yeah i used to be uh i was a taekwondo black belt you haven't seen those videos no no i never seen i never see i never knew you too i knew you yeah it was before i ever did that i used to teach taekwondo for a living and uh you know won a bunch of taekwondo turn But seriously, seriously, I'm not just saying this, and everybody knows this.

[614] Everyone used to think I was kissing his ass when I would try to tell people, but now there's video, now there's proof.

[615] I've never seen anybody throw a turning sidekick as hard as Joe.

[616] Like when he starts...

[617] Is this coming up?

[618] Yeah, you got to look at the way he's teaching George.

[619] George St. Pierre.

[620] I think it's earlier than that.

[621] Well, that's one of the interesting things about George.

[622] It's before this, before this.

[623] Because this is what he's already asking to record.

[624] But how'd you get involved in, like, fighting, man?

[625] You have such a good grasp on things, man. Like, I don't even go to bars, and I'll order a pay -per -view, dead broke, just to hear you're commentating, though.

[626] No, well, thanks, man. I really appreciate that.

[627] I was a taekwondo guy when I was a kid.

[628] I won the U .S. Open.

[629] I won the Massachusetts State Championship, like four years in a row.

[630] Peace.

[631] I did that.

[632] And then I went from that into kickboxing.

[633] I had three kickboxing bouts, but I was doing that all while I was still doing stand -up comedy.

[634] And then I had to figure out what to do Because I was starting to lose I lost my last fight And I knew I lost because I wasn't in good shape I was fucking around too much And doing comedy I wasn't focused I knew I wasn't training like I was when I was younger So I had to make a big decision My big decision was abandoned all that That whole world And just throw myself into comedy Plus there was no money man There was no UFC There was nowhere to go And then you know I went from comedy I was on a television show called News Radio And from news radio I watched the first UFC when I was there, it was like, you know, I first saw it, and like, I think it was like probably like 95.

[635] I probably caught it like a year or two after it had started.

[636] I had heard about it.

[637] And I watched it on the VHS tape.

[638] I don't even think I watched the first one.

[639] I think I watched UFC 2 because I think the first one wasn't available for some reasons.

[640] There were some copyright issues or what have you.

[641] I don't remember what the exact reality was, but I remember watching Hoise Crazy Strangle the fuck out of everybody going, oh, my God.

[642] Like I felt, first of all, all my years of Taekwendo, I was like, oh, I'm helpless.

[643] I thought I was just going to kick dudes in the head And I'm like, I didn't even realize a guy could just manhandle me like that So I went to Carlson Gracie's place in like 96 I started training there That was back when Vitor was making his debut They used to call him Victor Gracie Like when I interviewed him on UFC 12 I called him Victor Gracie That's crazy That's what everybody called him And then he was getting sued by Horian or something like that So he had to drop the Gracie name But he was taking it because of Carlson So that's when I started And then I met Eddie, and probably, like, 98, I started John Jacques.

[644] 97.

[645] 97?

[646] Yeah.

[647] I met Eddie around there, and I started smoking weed about 99.

[648] No, 2001.

[649] Was it 2001?

[650] It was before Fear Factor, though.

[651] Yeah, that was before Fear Factor.

[652] Was it?

[653] But the Fear Factor was 2000.

[654] Yeah, you had a calm demeanor on there when, I remember this one time, because I knew you were like...

[655] It was 2000.

[656] It was 2000.

[657] Big fight guy.

[658] And then just the way there was this guy having, like, this attitude and this crazy, and you were like, whoa, whoa, bro.

[659] Like, chill out, and the guy, like, tried to, like, come at you.

[660] Oh, Fear Factor one?

[661] Yeah, and you just had, like, a calm demeanor, and I was like, man, Joe's pretty cool dude.

[662] And you could just tell, like, man, Joe would have messed him up, actually, you know?

[663] Well, that guy was, I was told about him before we ever did the show.

[664] They were telling me that this guy's kind of a loose cannon.

[665] He had attacked a counselor on one show, and he had threw his wife to the ground on another show.

[666] Like, he was kind of great.

[667] Because it's fun.

[668] TV.

[669] It's exciting.

[670] Yeah, you never know what's going to happen.

[671] Well, it was worked.

[672] Him and his wife were fucking screaming at each other.

[673] They were, like, screaming, like, you fucking stupid bitch.

[674] Like, it was, like, there was really entertaining because it was, like, the most dysfunctional and violent relationship I've ever witnessed without being, like, they're, like, these motherfuckers screamed at each other and swears.

[675] And all the time, while this is going on, there's this little dude, Johnny Fairplay from Survivor, who's fucking hilarious.

[676] The whole time, they're screaming each other.

[677] Where's the fucking flashlight?

[678] I gave me the fucking flashlight.

[679] Where's the flashlight?

[680] Fuck you!

[681] They were screaming at each other?

[682] Damn.

[683] Johnny Fairplay, is yelling at the guy, like, about the wife, like telling him, you don't need her.

[684] She's dead weight.

[685] She's ruined it for you.

[686] Like, he's just, he's like, you don't need her, Jonathan.

[687] She's dead weight.

[688] She's ruined it for you.

[689] And, like, he would say that about her.

[690] He would say that about him.

[691] He was just constantly heckling.

[692] Constantly heckling.

[693] Like, you guys got this wrapped up.

[694] You guys got it wrapped up.

[695] Fuck you.

[696] Shut up.

[697] So she comes back and immediately punches this guy, Johnny Fairplay.

[698] I mean, fucking punches him.

[699] hard in the stomach and i said hey just because you hit your your husband doesn't mean you can hit other people like you can't just hit people yeah and so then he got in my face i thought he was going to hit me so i just grabbed him it was like i pushed him away a couple times they didn't show that and then uh next thing you know i got him in the plum i just held onto his head don't show this man yeah pull it up yeah it was so stupid it was so stupid so you just tell that dude was a straight hot head and the way you handled it i was like man this guy obviously has some type of like martial arts like self -control, you know?

[700] So you're working on a lead -leg sidekick, like Connor McGregor?

[701] You ever do that one?

[702] Oh, I mean, that's been around a lot more since Connor McGregor.

[703] I want to give him the credit for it, but I mean, Chris Haysman, remember way back?

[704] Yeah, not too many people.

[705] I mean, who else besides Conner -M -Renester.

[706] No, I'm talking about an M -M -A.

[707] Like, who was throwing that lead -leg sidekick?

[708] Like, John Jones did it.

[709] John does it to the knee, which is a very like.

[710] John dropped V -Tor to the body.

[711] He's got a good range of you.

[712] He hit him with a front -leg sidekick to the body and drop beater.

[713] Remember that?

[714] Yeah, it's cool to see that.

[715] And I also use, like, a lot of stuff because I train with Alex Gustafson.

[716] And he uses a lot of, like, real trickery stuff.

[717] Like, he'll get, like, hip to hip with you, like, where you're standing.

[718] And then he'll just go hip to hip and then, like, just sweep you.

[719] And just kind of almost makes you look stupid sometimes.

[720] He's got that Dominant Cruz style down, right?

[721] Yeah, yeah, you know, on your toes.

[722] I mean, he purposely emulated dominant crews.

[723] That's not a coincidence, right?

[724] That they moved the same?

[725] I just think he was just light on the feet.

[726] Same coaches.

[727] You can't stand in front of it.

[728] Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[729] Because he is doing that dance.

[730] Is that Eric?

[731] Is that Eric Del Fierro?

[732] Yeah, he's constantly talking about being on your toes, being athletic.

[733] Smart dude.

[734] That's a very, smart dude.

[735] That's a very distinct style.

[736] Very distinct.

[737] I mean, shit, very few people can do that.

[738] And Gustafson is pulling it off.

[739] You know who moves around like that, but doesn't attack enough is Tim Elliott.

[740] Did you see Tim Elliott this weekend?

[741] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[742] Got great footwork.

[743] I think best is still yet to come with that guy.

[744] Yes, I think so, too.

[745] That kid is stupid, strong.

[746] He's from Midwest area.

[747] Holy shit.

[748] I forgot that fight.

[749] Was that super pre -Lendant?

[750] His first fight of the pay -per -view?

[751] Oh, the two little guys?

[752] Yes.

[753] I fast forwarded through that one.

[754] It's a good fight, man. Big puncher, strong wrestler, a lot of movement.

[755] You know, I can see him definitely being a 35er in the future that people are going to start looking after him.

[756] You think he'll be 35?

[757] They're fighting 25.

[758] You think he'll go up?

[759] Yeah, yeah, those are fly -wigs.

[760] Oh, he's a big 25, right?

[761] Yeah, you know who I'm a fan of of the 125 pounds that I really want.

[762] You know, a lot of respect for Demetrius Johnson.

[763] That guy is obviously talented, but Joseph Benavides, bro.

[764] I'm a fan of that little bastard.

[765] He just gets down, bro.

[766] He just throws heat the whole time.

[767] He's technical.

[768] I mean, he sets things up.

[769] Like, I like his style.

[770] I've never seen that dude in a boring fight.

[771] And this is a perfect example of what you were talking about before, about someone putting together a training camp.

[772] Now they got Bang Ludwig, who's running their whole camp.

[773] And he runs Alpha Male in San Jose.

[774] No, where are you?

[775] Sacramento.

[776] Yeah.

[777] And all those guys, like, look at Chad Mendez.

[778] Look at how much better he got from there.

[779] Look at how much better everybody's gotten from that camp.

[780] And Benavides and Mighty Mouse, they're going to have a rematch on Fox.

[781] That's the main event on Fox from Sacramento.

[782] Danny Castillo, he's a friend of mine out there.

[783] He's a 55 where he's fighting a good talented striker, Barbosa.

[784] So I'm interested to see how Dwayne Bang and Alpha Mail come up with the strategy, you know.

[785] Because I like Castile.

[786] He's a good dude.

[787] You know, he throws down.

[788] He's getting better.

[789] And, you know, now they have Dwayne up there, you know, showing a lot of cool stuff.

[790] That dude's a vet, you know.

[791] That strategy for the Barbosa fight, I guess, probably.

[792] going to be take that dude down.

[793] Yeah, you got to set it up.

[794] But Jamie Varner caught him.

[795] Yeah, he set it up a lot of wrestling.

[796] Yeah, yeah.

[797] You thought he was going to go low and then caught him high.

[798] Jamie's got that long right hand, too.

[799] She's fucking, he launches that right hand at you.

[800] Throws a lot of it in it.

[801] It covers a lot of distance, too.

[802] Yeah, yeah.

[803] It's almost like a cost check back in day, but cost check would wing his a little bit more.

[804] Now you're seeing guys, like, throw the straight right hand and catch guys before they're able to hit the hook on them and don't catch that chin sometimes and pull.

[805] put dudes to sleep.

[806] Yeah, the way Varner completes that right hand is very straight.

[807] It's very straight down the head.

[808] He landed that all through his setups.

[809] He was smart that time.

[810] He immediately came out, take Barbosa down.

[811] You know Barbosa is going to get up.

[812] So what does he do the next time?

[813] Acts like he's going to go down.

[814] Of course, you got to respect it because the guy just took you down.

[815] Boom.

[816] Right hand.

[817] Yeah, I'm a big fan of Jeremy Varner.

[818] I love a dude who, like, was a champion at one point time.

[819] It was W .E .C. champion.

[820] And then went through a bad streak where he was losing the guys.

[821] He should never lose to.

[822] Lost his motivation.

[823] Was going back to college.

[824] And then all of a sudden, gets you back together again.

[825] He's a vet, man. It goes world class again.

[826] You realize, you realize shit, what choice do you have?

[827] You're going to go back to regular life?

[828] You're a superstar.

[829] You're on TV.

[830] It's right there at your fingertips.

[831] You just got to get a couple training camps together.

[832] It's right there.

[833] Celebrity status and not waking up and working out of factory or something.

[834] What else are going to do?

[835] You've got to keep going.

[836] You got to look at it as like, you know what?

[837] Maybe I won't.

[838] If you could look at it realistically, like maybe.

[839] I won't get the belt, but I'm going to fucking try my hardest.

[840] And in the meantime, I'm not going to work a regular fucking job.

[841] I'm going to try to parlay this into some other shit.

[842] It's also just that they miss the excitement.

[843] They miss the, you can't.

[844] A regular day, regular day job is just a slow drone, drone, drone.

[845] And he admits.

[846] I was 18 years old, I worked, and it was just, it was horrible.

[847] And, you know, my grandfather had told me to quit a job, you know, and I was kind of skeptical.

[848] school, and then I was my old, old girlfriend at the time, like, I remember one time I had to stay at her parents' house just because I was, like, believing in this dream, and I was just starting out.

[849] I didn't really have much.

[850] I struggled a lot, and then I remember her dad was just like, you know, fighting doesn't pay the bills.

[851] I remember just, like, looking at this guy, like, man, some feedback on my dream, you know?

[852] What did you just do?

[853] What did you just do?

[854] Okay, went away.

[855] Oh, was it, uh, there was some weird feedback?

[856] I don't think it was your phone.

[857] Was your phone?

[858] Was your phone?

[859] Was that?

[860] Oh, is that what it was?

[861] I thought it was a feedback thing.

[862] yeah man it's a fucking crazy dream to believe in right yeah yeah i mean it's got its ups and downs man i can imagine like all the crazy crap you know varner and like half these guys he's probably man you know what the hell and he was scared of death he admitted it he was scared to death of barboza i mean but especially barboza that guy's a killer dude he's like holy shit jimmy varner said he was shaking before the fight coming off of that terry edam knockout one of the worst knockouts ever in the i trained with that guy a long time ago down in florida through hermes franca who i was hanging out with back of the day, and we went to the Armory, and we trained with Barboza, and I just remember just as Muay was really, really good.

[863] Yeah.

[864] And I was just like, man, was this guy fight?

[865] You know, like, this guy should be fighting here.

[866] You know, and I was already in UFC at the time, and I guess they're like, yeah, he's working on his ground or whatever, and he's really good striking, and he's working on his wrestling, he's an explosive athlete, and he's a big 55 or two, man. That guy's a beast.

[867] Yeah, it's the weight -cutting thing is really fascinating, because when most people hear that a guy fights at 155 pounds or you fight at 145 pounds.

[868] They assume you're actually 145 pounds.

[869] Yeah, they're like, I mean, you don't look 100 % of them.

[870] Like, Jesus.

[871] How fuck does that work?

[872] Yeah, you know.

[873] Like you said, Tyrone Woodley's the best example of that.

[874] There's no way that dude looks to be 170 pounds.

[875] Just dense, bro.

[876] I don't know what the hell he weighs when he gets in the oxygen.

[877] I may be crazy, but I think him and Hector Lombard are just going to take over the top, I think.

[878] Anyway, that's just, that's just what I'm saying.

[879] You know, that would be an amazing fight.

[880] Hector Lombard versus Tyron Woodley, holy.

[881] Dude, they're both American And top teams, dude.

[882] They probably never would fight.

[883] Or they wouldn't fight until it became absolutely.

[884] You don't think of a lot of anybody.

[885] He's coming back, dude.

[886] Tiago Alves, we're probably as soon to see him scrap again.

[887] Yeah, I hope so.

[888] I love that, dude.

[889] He's a great guy, fun to watch, an exciting fighter.

[890] But he's on an unfortunate series of injuries.

[891] He's got a new surgery.

[892] Peck surgery.

[893] You know who impressed the shit out of me is Donald Soroni.

[894] Holy shit.

[895] The fight with Evan Dunham, the coolest thing about that was Evan Dunham, he, he, he.

[896] He deep halves them perfectly, gets on top, gets put her in a triangle, escapes the triangle, goes right into an Oma Plata, gets the Oma Plata sweep with the pass.

[897] Donald Serroney's inside control, just some amazing, beautiful jiu -jitsu.

[898] They get back up, they throw down again, Dunham ends up on his back again, hits him with another deep half sweep.

[899] He gets on top right into another triangle, but this time he finishes him.

[900] Seroni's some serious, serious jiu -jitsu is there.

[901] Soroni's thinking about, I heard him talking about going down 145 pounds, and I've actually fought Soroni, and he ended up breaking my eye orbital in the first round.

[902] You know, it wasn't like he hit real hard.

[903] You know, and I was feeling, I was feeling his kicks, but it was just a precise shot.

[904] You know, Seroni's Moitai, man. When he's on, he's on, dude.

[905] He's a scary dude.

[906] He's a big dude at 155 pounds.

[907] And for him to go down to 145, I'm like, man, you know, I think he's going to do that.

[908] He's so thin.

[909] Dude, he is a big dude.

[910] If he can make it and reload the right way, and I imagine that he probably will if he has a, you know, he's training with Jackson, so he's got a good camp and good team behind him.

[911] I don't think he's going to drop.

[912] I think that was a rumor.

[913] I think I read somewhere where he's saying, no, I talked about it, but it ain't going to happen.

[914] Usually people talk about cutting after they lose.

[915] He just beat the shit out of Evan Dunham.

[916] Damn, he looked good, too.

[917] Evan Dunham had a brief window.

[918] He had a brief window he could have pulled out of that triangle, where he's taking a little break there, and that's when he just locked it up.

[919] Yeah.

[920] Evan Dunham is a tough, motherfucker.

[921] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[922] And to tap him is, like, even more impressive.

[923] No, I've trained with him when we were out for Dominic Cruz's camp with you or Ria Faber when they were competing.

[924] On the show, Team Alliance was always over at Drysdale's, and I got a chance to roll with Evan Dunham.

[925] And, dude, he was ferocious on the ground.

[926] Yeah, his very good.

[927] When he tapped Efrae and Eskidero, that was a real wake -up call for a lot of people.

[928] This kid's ground game is a very interesting.

[929] Gerald Streepen actually called me right before Evan Denham made his UFC debut.

[930] I didn't know anything about him.

[931] Just one of those dudes you never heard of.

[932] Gerald said, there's a guy named Evan Dunham.

[933] I think he fought.

[934] I forget what he fought, but he said he's, trust me, put all your money on Evan Dunham.

[935] I just rolled with them all week.

[936] The guys trashed me. And Gerald's awesome.

[937] But Evan Dunham, so I thought, okay, okay, I believe it.

[938] Yeah, when he fought Tyson Griffin, one of his training partners, I thought that was really good because Tyson Griffin's real solid on the ground, too.

[939] And that fight, Dunham just had this back control that was crazy and controlled the fight with just all back control.

[940] So you know his jiu -jitsu is on top point.

[941] Yeah, he's very good, man. I just was completely blown away by how good Soroni looked.

[942] Seroni was just on fire.

[943] Dude, when he's on fire, he's on fire.

[944] You know, I think maybe he had a little personal issue that fight with Dos Anios and, you know, he just bounced back.

[945] You know, and Soroni's one of those guys who like to stay active and get after it, so it's interesting to see what he's going to do.

[946] Yeah, fuck, yeah, that's going to be really interesting.

[947] What did you think about the main event?

[948] Me, personally?

[949] I think Hendricks won.

[950] I think he completed all of what the octagon rules are about, you know, damage, octagon control.

[951] you know, he landed a takedowns, he busted up his face, he controlled the fight, he made it a great fight, he almost knocked him out, and then, you know, at the end of the day, GSP won, and that's the decision, but I think a lot of better things are going to come from that because Dana White is immediately calling out these judges and probably getting things going on that end, so it'll be interesting to see what happens, but I think he needs a rematch.

[952] I think you're right about the judges.

[953] I think there's also not just the judges, but the judging, when you look at the scoring system that's currently in place, is not that crazy.

[954] The judging is not that crazy.

[955] It's not that off, at least this fight.

[956] But the scoring system's terrible.

[957] The scoring system is terrible.

[958] It doesn't work.

[959] When you can have a round like the second round, where Hendricks had GSP in all sorts of trouble, and that round and the first round are scored exactly the same, they're both 10 -9 one way or another on either judge's scorecard that's crazy those are not the same rounds one round you had a good struggle that I think you know one guy did more damage but one guy went for a submission it's a sort of debatable 10 -9 round but the second round was Johnny Hendricks clanging George has him wobbled has him in all sorts of troubled Johnny swarming on him how the fuck are those two rounds quantifiably the same that's preposterous they got to fix that and if they don't fix that that's a big nine to an eight nothing's happened around you know you say that but I think I think this may at least in some way motivate the conversation I think if time goes on if you if you've MMA last 20 years if we're lucky they're going to figure out that the system needs to be overhauled and this idea of 10 points every round is fucking silly yeah what about this is we're acting like there's a thing in place that we have to for a new sport and that's fucking stupid you don't you don't you never know there's no consistency with these judges like you know one thing i did not want to do in brazil was go to a decision i was like if this is close they're going to give it to him when i went up and i had a close fight with sam stout i thought they're going to give it to him i was like man you know what you did everything i knew in my heart i won the fight you know thankfully i ended up getting that fight but you know what these judges close fights yeah close fights phil davis i thought beat leota machita two out of three rounds that was a very big controversial fight but you know what they're And then people were just like, no, Leo de won, you know, that decision down there, like, in Brazil, that's scary, bro.

[960] You know, you're like, oh, my God, is he going to get this?

[961] I have to watch that again because I thought that Machita won.

[962] I would have to see it again.

[963] But he got the decision.

[964] But, yeah, that's not a robbery, you know, that's a close fight.

[965] The problem with the Hendricks -GSP fight is, like, let's say people that are watching it that are MMA fans that may not even train.

[966] They just enjoy the fights.

[967] They enjoy the excitement of the sport.

[968] To them, GSP got his ass.

[969] kick.

[970] For sure.

[971] It's pretty goddamn obvious.

[972] So the only way he didn't get his ass kicked is if the scoring system's broken.

[973] Because to the average person, what is a fight about?

[974] Is a fight about touching a guy?

[975] Is a fight about putting a guy on his back and winding up on top of him?

[976] What is a fight about?

[977] A fight is about doing damage.

[978] One way or another, we're trying to finish the fight, and one guy clearly did that way more than the other guy.

[979] For sure.

[980] For sure.

[981] Johnny didn't have a scratch in his face.

[982] If we're on the street and that fight was to go down and after a while, everybody breaks it up and no matter who's on top whatever happened big fight we stand up johnny we stand up jisp and we're like okay we'll give that one to johnny on the street you know but also maybe that could that could be that could happen accidentally someone could hit somebody with an elbow cut them open real early in the fight and even though they dominated the rest of the round they looked the worst for rare that's possible true true you got you got to take take in hand like what actually went down like how was he doing that damage what was he doing and it looked like johnny was actually doing the damage not just you know he got a lucky punch and his eye got swollen you know that that could easily happen but he was just he was landing shot after a shot you know and put pushing a good a good pace where gsp was even wobbled and he's just laying on him so i mean obviously you think you know if anybody was not even like a fan or like your grandma was watching and she'd be like wow i think this guy's winning the most shocked and disappointed guy i think maybe i've ever seen after a fight was johnny hendricks saturday night he was hey bravo and breathing it's crazy oh really he's gonna sleep so good tonight Joe you just get in it you get in Joe you know earlier when it echoed and you got mad it's because I was going to echo his breathing to make an echo so yeah that's ridiculous that's ridiculous he accidentally talked and then it shit he fucked it up that's ridiculous um yeah man I think that uh if you if you look at the scoring system that's in place and how it's been utilized so far I could see the argument I don't agree with it but I could see the argument that GSP won the fight I don't think he won the first round Everybody was thinking that he won the first round because he went for the submission and got the takedown, but Johnny did a lot of damage in that round.

[983] He fucked his legs up with those knees to the legs, which I don't understand why people don't count those.

[984] Like, what are you looking at?

[985] It's a big strike.

[986] That's like a Charlie horse.

[987] I don't know if you guys been hitting the leg or like you look at like one of those slug bugs that somebody hit you.

[988] You're like, man, that's a knee hitting you.

[989] It's a lot harder.

[990] Just because GSP's not responding doesn't mean those aren't big shots.

[991] He just can tolerate the pain.

[992] Those hurt like fuck.

[993] And those are damage.

[994] They take away your spring.

[995] And so, in my opinion, you've got people that should not be judging that, that don't understand what exactly is going down.

[996] Johnny did a lot more damage in that round.

[997] He hit him with some hard fucking elbows when they were up against the cage.

[998] When George was trying to take him down, he had the single.

[999] Johnny hit him with some hard fucking elbows.

[1000] And then when they were in the clencher, when Johnny was bouncing up and down on one leg, he was tagging him with left uppercuts.

[1001] Those are all really significant.

[1002] The take down and the submission attempt, it wasn't close enough.

[1003] It wasn't like Johnny was screaming and beat red and then he gutted out of it.

[1004] Like you'd see him on his back and he's getting strangled.

[1005] It wasn't close enough.

[1006] In my opinion, I gave Hendricks that round.

[1007] And yeah, when I watch it, when I'm doing commentary and I watch it is one thing.

[1008] When I watch it again afterwards, that's when I get a sense of what I think actually happened and didn't happen.

[1009] Sometimes you're doing commentary.

[1010] You're just trying to be entertaining.

[1011] You're all caught up in the moment, but...

[1012] Why do you suppose nothing has been done?

[1013] I mean, this isn't the first time we've had a main event and in a controversial decision.

[1014] Why do you think it just doesn't change?

[1015] I know, because the Athletic Commission has to admit that they made a mistake.

[1016] Do you believe the theory that you really should beat a champion?

[1017] No. Because there's a lot of those ones with, like, Frankie Edgar, Benson.

[1018] I don't.

[1019] I think it's an even fight.

[1020] And some people are like, oh, you really got to take it from the champion to be the champion.

[1021] I can see how you've got to be, have a conviction, look, any decision that's close, you're going to have people that see it for the other guy.

[1022] That's always going to be the case.

[1023] And in that way, the idea of you've got to take it from the champion kind of makes sense.

[1024] That's the only way it makes sense.

[1025] To convince the people that this is a fair and just decision, even if you're not happy, that the guy that you were rooting for lost, you still have to, you know, you still have to look at it honestly and objectively.

[1026] Guy got his ass kick.

[1027] That's the fact.

[1028] You're like, okay, here's a perfect example.

[1029] second round of Frankie Edgar BJ Penn Okay, the first fight was a close fight Second fight, not second round, second fight The first fight was a close fight Where it's very debatable Second fight, nobody was debating that Frankie beat BJ He beat BJ, period So I think when you look at Outclass him really Outworked him He was more motivated He was in better shape Pushed a hard pace That's a fight where You mean BJ Penn Has fucking millions of fans They couldn't deny the fact That BJ lost that fight True So in that kind of fight Yeah I could see that's one of those fights where you're, you know, you're really taking it to them, even though Frankie was the champ at that time.

[1030] But I think that you should start even.

[1031] You should start even.

[1032] For sure.

[1033] You got to earn it definitely.

[1034] And I think, I think even GSP's face like, told it all.

[1035] Yeah.

[1036] You know, and it's crazy.

[1037] You know, actually one of our buddies, Mike Chandler just fought Eddie Alvarez in a sick fight.

[1038] Saw that fight.

[1039] And it was just crazy.

[1040] Mike was just going forward.

[1041] He's laying in takedowns.

[1042] He's getting out of stuff.

[1043] You know, he's controlling these rounds.

[1044] And then such a close decision where at the end of it, if you look at this, Eddie Alvarez's family looks worried.

[1045] They're not hugging it.

[1046] And Michael Chandler's family's like, yeah.

[1047] And, you know, they're thinking confident.

[1048] But then, boom, there's this decision.

[1049] And you're just like, whoa.

[1050] And you got to go back and look at things like, okay, what happened?

[1051] Maybe something I didn't see, you know, in my bias, you know?

[1052] Right.

[1053] It's just those crazy fights, you know?

[1054] I need to watch that fight a second time.

[1055] I enjoyed it, though.

[1056] It was a wild fight.

[1057] Chandler's a bad motherfucker.

[1058] Dude, he's a beast.

[1059] So he's like that in the gym.

[1060] So you think nothing changes because then that would mean the commission would have to admit they made a mistake?

[1061] Yes.

[1062] If you change things, you have to admit that you should have changed things.

[1063] You have to admit that if you're running things, if this is the correct way to do things, why didn't you do this 18 months ago?

[1064] Why didn't you do this two years ago?

[1065] Why didn't you do this five years ago?

[1066] You've been licensing MMA for so long and people have been complaining about things for so long.

[1067] But you've done the same shit over and over again.

[1068] So then it's probably never going to change.

[1069] That's like the definition of insanity, doing the same thing.

[1070] thing over and over again, expecting different results.

[1071] They can't have people that are untrained as judges.

[1072] Is it better or worse for the casinos, the people that are taken better?

[1073] Is it better or worse if there is a logical reasonable scoring system or if there's a fucked up one?

[1074] What's better?

[1075] What do you think is better for them?

[1076] Well, if the casinos are on the board and everything is on the square, then, you know, the house is always going to win in almost every game.

[1077] Right?

[1078] When it comes to gambling on fights, they're pretty smart.

[1079] I'm sure they get really good odds makers.

[1080] There was a few lines that I didn't like.

[1081] I gave a few of my friends that were betting.

[1082] I told them what I thought were like good bets and not good bets.

[1083] But I think that ultimately the experts of MMA are you're not going to be able to fool them.

[1084] They know who's going to win or they have a 70, 80 percent chance at who's going to way better than 51%.

[1085] If the house is a 51 % chance or 54 % or whatever it is in blackjack, An MMA expert has a way better, you know, if you're gambling, like, if you were gambling on fights, shit, you're going to be 80 %, right?

[1086] Yeah.

[1087] Do you think about 80 % when you guess who can win a fight?

[1088] Sometimes, sometimes I get them all wrong.

[1089] But do you think there's ever been a point in time in Las Vegas where the people that are running the casinos, who the fuck knows who they are, have something to do with the commission, like they're tied in somehow?

[1090] and was there a fight?

[1091] Do you think ever that the casinos made a decision happen because they didn't want to lose a certain amount of money?

[1092] That's all speculation.

[1093] Who knows?

[1094] You think that ever happens?

[1095] I don't know.

[1096] I'll tell you one thing I do know about casinos.

[1097] Like, they're not stupid.

[1098] Like, if they catch people counting cards, they get rid of them.

[1099] If they catch people doing things.

[1100] Like, here's a perfect example.

[1101] Professional pool.

[1102] They've never had a line on professional pool.

[1103] You know why?

[1104] because they had a line on professional pool once, and the underdog was this dude named Mike LeBron to win this big tournament.

[1105] And so they dumped the shit out of this dude.

[1106] Everybody dumped this dude, meaning everybody quit.

[1107] They played shitty on purpose and let this dude win, and they bet all their money on this guy winning.

[1108] So everybody just had this.

[1109] Dudes are just driving balls straight into the rail.

[1110] They're missing the pocketball inches on purpose, totally on purpose, obviously on purpose.

[1111] And the other dude...

[1112] You can't deny a casino.

[1113] It's trial and error.

[1114] You can't actually Deny a casino It's just like People that are like up there That are highly elite people They know how to make good decisions Like no matter what it is They're winning for a reason That's because they're making good decisions And taking advantage of those people That are trying to cut the scheme You think there might be a crazy conspiracy Where like the people running the casinos Have something to do like every now and then They make the call and they go That motherfucker lost no matter what If it's close You think there's anything like that Or I think they just play about judges.

[1115] I don't think you go to the casino.

[1116] They play their odds very good.

[1117] But someone at the top is like making, for a judge to get paid off to do this or that, there's got to be someone with some serious power.

[1118] It's the math that people don't understand.

[1119] That's why those people that are counting cards, they understand a portion of the math.

[1120] You got to think those people are at an elite level and are always winning because of their decision -making.

[1121] So their science and their math, like, skills are way better than yours.

[1122] So they can see these small little snakes in the grass if that's what you want to call them, like a little dirt bag trying to just scheme on your money.

[1123] Imagine if, like, that's yours.

[1124] And, like, you see this little rat over here playing his little game.

[1125] You just want to go up and, like, smack him.

[1126] Like, bro, you're cheating me out.

[1127] Yeah, but it's not even cheating.

[1128] It's just good at it.

[1129] It's so stupid that you can't count.

[1130] He caught onto the science of the math.

[1131] Yeah, but, I mean, how crazy is that?

[1132] They tell you you can't be really good at this.

[1133] You can't, you can't be good at it.

[1134] You can't figure out how to do it right.

[1135] They're playing it to the people that are just like, man, am I going to get lucky?

[1136] Imagine that, man. It's like only fighting guys you can absolutely beat.

[1137] Like, could you imagine?

[1138] you'd never get a title shot.

[1139] Like, the idea is ridiculous.

[1140] Anybody, it's not like the battle between the card counters and the casinos.

[1141] That shit never goes down.

[1142] It's not really, you know, they make sure those guys can't work.

[1143] They're like, nah, sorry, we're just here to steal.

[1144] We're just here to extract.

[1145] Yeah.

[1146] We're not here to gamble.

[1147] To actually gamble.

[1148] Or it's not even gambling.

[1149] When a guy gets, like, really good at poker or really good at blackjackets, it kind of becomes like, those dudes just make money, man. The really best dudes, they just make money.

[1150] They make a big risk.

[1151] Yeah, they lose.

[1152] a little bit here and again, but for the most part, they wind up ahead.

[1153] There's a lot of those guys that are, like, professional gamblers.

[1154] What happens?

[1155] Do these guys just get funded?

[1156] Are they just playing in a basement?

[1157] Where do these dudes come from?

[1158] It's crazy, because, like, next thing you know, you just see this guy on TV, you're like, man, does this guy even know anything?

[1159] But all of a sudden, it shows like the chip or the money account, and you're like, this dude's killing it.

[1160] Think about how much money, it would, I mean, how much time and effort you put in to get really good at MMA.

[1161] Now, think about someone who's doing the same thing with card counting, or with poker.

[1162] They're just constantly playing moves over there.

[1163] You ever see, like, poker dorks talk?

[1164] You ever, like, have a poker dork conversation with people?

[1165] When they start talking about a night, I had, you know, five night, and he pulls King's Six, and I flop with him.

[1166] Yeah, he has, like, a pig latin.

[1167] I don't know what the fuck you're saying.

[1168] But to them, it's just, it's almost like a chest thing.

[1169] They're, like, they're going over the moves.

[1170] They're like, oh, I see.

[1171] Well, why didn't you fold?

[1172] You know, like, why didn't you, this?

[1173] Why didn't you this?

[1174] And they're going over positions, and I got a bad role of the cards.

[1175] I believe in the bad role of the card is, though.

[1176] You ever sat down on like a, what is it, like a blackjack table, and then that person's always hitting when they shouldn't be hitting or not hitting.

[1177] And you're just like, I got to get up.

[1178] I just lost $75 to realize this guy's an idiot, and he's messing up the whole table.

[1179] But you get on that table, and you're just hitting, and you're rolling, you're slapping high -fyes with some person from Arizona.

[1180] You don't even know, and you're just killing it.

[1181] So it's crazy.

[1182] Explain that to me. How does it hurt?

[1183] See, I don't know gambling.

[1184] So if we're all playing, say you me and Eddie are playing blackjack together, And Eddie gets crazy, and he just fucking, he's got a 16.

[1185] He's got a 20.

[1186] Hit me. I go, this is a fucking one, bitch.

[1187] Say I have, like, a low card.

[1188] Like, I'm at, like, a 9.

[1189] And he's hitting on a 16 to try to get to 21 because he wants to beat the guy, you know.

[1190] You're supposed to let that just pass and let me go ahead and hit, hit the bigger number.

[1191] Instead, he'll bust and ruin my card.

[1192] The next thing you know, like, I'll hit, like, two low cards.

[1193] And I'm like, okay, I'm at, like, a 12, but they're showing, like, a 15, 16, too.

[1194] I got a hit, and then boom, I bust, and it just kind of just goes down.

[1195] the line but if you get the people that are hitting on the right cards that'll actually feng shui and flow really yeah it doesn't make any sense it seems like you know he's making his decisions you're making your decisions it's like those blood like commercials the guy goes downstairs and they score you know but aren't they using like five decks now they're like five decks i don't even know how many they use they use a bunch of you they have that big machine that like was like so the way you're looking at it is if he gets a five that you could have used and he busts because of that five he fucked you yeah you could have had that five you would have had 20 or something like that.

[1196] Yeah, and he would, and he might have, and then the dealer might have busted, and he could actually won, but he actually hit the wrong car trying to be greedy too soon.

[1197] I think that's not a good way of looking at it.

[1198] I think that's like a defeatist logic, because it doesn't make any sense.

[1199] Like, you look, the numbers are the numbers.

[1200] If you have 15 and you hit, you know, you know what the consequences are.

[1201] If you have 17, you hit, you're crazy.

[1202] There's some good ones that you're supposed to hit on and that they tell you not to hit on.

[1203] And sometimes the dealer, if you're like, you don't really know what you're doing, you're just starting out, And they'll be like, you sure you want to do that?

[1204] You know, but they can't tell you, but they'll ask you and, like, stop you, which is pretty cool, because, like, what if you don't know you're doing, you're just blacked out drunk and you're making all stupid bets to lose your money?

[1205] Well, I would imagine, too, that if you're a card counter, it would actually help you to have someone who's betting all fucking wacky next to you.

[1206] Because you know that he got that certain card.

[1207] Like, instead of, like, him folding or holding, he actually added additional information into the equation.

[1208] He gave you, like, oh, the seven just got used.

[1209] So now you have an extra number that you can eliminate.

[1210] You know what I mean?

[1211] I mean, it seems to me that playing with idiots would be beneficial if you have the right attitude.

[1212] It could possibly work out, yeah, I guess.

[1213] If you were a card counter, if you were a really good card counter?

[1214] And again, I don't understand how the fuck card counting works.

[1215] So I'm just talking about it.

[1216] There's a movie about it, but I still never, it's a hard math.

[1217] Yeah, it's a, Ed Norton, right?

[1218] Yeah.

[1219] It's a crazy, it's a crazy math to it.

[1220] Ocean's 11?

[1221] No, no, I think it was a, no, that's a, that's a rob the casino.

[1222] They robbed the casino There's always a card counter in those movies, no?

[1223] There's a lot of those movies There's a lot of those movies Where the dude busts Vegas Yeah Figures it out All these genius What the movie was it With a bunch of genius card counters There was a college that they Numbers And then the guy takes him there And he wasn't supposed to be in the building yet You guys want to do this Yeah they all got a suite together And they're rolling around in cash But it all goes bad Eddie Bravo They get busted someone Some fucking If you know how to count cards Would you rob the system?

[1224] If you knew a little bit, like, say you knew the math, and you just sit down and you're like, you know what?

[1225] I just want a couple extra hundred.

[1226] Let's real quick, you know?

[1227] And then would you sit down and do it?

[1228] Or would you just be scared?

[1229] I thought I had a system, but I didn't realize that I was an idiot, and I was going to try to make some money in Tahoe.

[1230] And then I realized, oh, shit.

[1231] How much did you lose before you figured out?

[1232] You suck.

[1233] Well, it's just, it's like...

[1234] 21, yeah.

[1235] You know, in roulette, you know, there's red and you can just bet red and black.

[1236] You could put chips on the numbers, or you could just put chips under red and black.

[1237] So I figured that if you put, you know, if you have a lot of cash, you put $500 on red.

[1238] If you lose, you just keep putting, and you keep doubling it until finally red hits, but you've got to have a lot of money to double, but there's a limit.

[1239] So they already figured that out a long time ago.

[1240] So they limit you that you can do that shit.

[1241] So I thought I had it.

[1242] I didn't realize that they already figured it out.

[1243] So I'm in Taha.

[1244] I'm going to do this show.

[1245] I'm just going to win once, win 500 bucks, and then I'm done.

[1246] It could be an expensive method, though.

[1247] You better come with some stacks.

[1248] Yeah, you've got to have like $10 ,000 to that.

[1249] Even that if you hit, dude, that'd be so awesome, just walk away.

[1250] Yeah, you've got to walk away.

[1251] The key is to walk away when you get your $500 back.

[1252] Everybody's thought this through.

[1253] It's hilarious.

[1254] How many conversations have been had across the country?

[1255] People figured out how much.

[1256] I got it, bro.

[1257] I was telling people, I got it, bro.

[1258] I got it.

[1259] But I'm not going to get crazy.

[1260] It's just going to be $500 a day.

[1261] It's a system to get fun.

[1262] You could live nicely.

[1263] Once a day, you just got to.

[1264] What's interesting, if you won $500 a day, they would fucking kick you out.

[1265] They'd be like, you know, bitching casinos, bro.

[1266] Yeah, that's the move, right?

[1267] But if you kept winning, they pay you to keep you in that environment.

[1268] Free hotel, baby.

[1269] They're like, free hotel.

[1270] They might bring some pretty girls over, too.

[1271] They give you a bottle of champagne.

[1272] Like, you're the man. I love Vegas.

[1273] I love the idea behind Vegas.

[1274] Just let people do whatever the fuck they want.

[1275] Let them gamble.

[1276] It's a good decision making.

[1277] Stay open.

[1278] Stay open 24 hours a day.

[1279] Yeah, let them drink, walk down the street with alcohol.

[1280] Fuck, yeah.

[1281] I like it.

[1282] I like Vegas.

[1283] I like the freedom of Vegas.

[1284] You need people like, yeah, there's some seedy parts.

[1285] There's seedy parts everywhere.

[1286] If you get 100 people together, one of them is going to suck.

[1287] It's good to have fights there, too.

[1288] Yeah, fuck, yeah.

[1289] It's too hot to live, though.

[1290] Too hot.

[1291] Maybe if you were, like, rolling ball and, like, Carrotop, and you had some giant mansion in Henderson, you know, keep your bitches.

[1292] Does he have a giant mansion in Henderson?

[1293] Does he?

[1294] Pulling in his fucking.

[1295] Is he rich?

[1296] Fuck, yeah.

[1297] Are you kidding me?

[1298] He's not like Cory Feldman?

[1299] No. So he's got a long -standing show in Vegas at the Luxor.

[1300] So he's got like $10 million.

[1301] Caratop has been performing at the Luxor for a long...

[1302] I don't look at that.

[1303] I thought he was like a vanilla ice kind of guy.

[1304] No way, dude.

[1305] Carrotop has been a successful performer in Vegas for more than a decade.

[1306] He's been killing it.

[1307] Killing it in Vegas for a decade.

[1308] And he puts on a great show.

[1309] You know, a lot of people give Caratop a lot of shit.

[1310] But look, there's people that like the monkeys and there's people that like Slayer.

[1311] everybody's got their own thing they enjoy and if you like that kind of comedy Caratop's a funny dude and he's basically essentially taken over that entire market What exactly does he do magic?

[1312] Prop comics He's a prop comedian He got a bunch of props They used to be a style prop comedy like prop comedy Like prop comedy used to be a style of comedy It was like puppet guys Who Ventualquist Oh that's crazy There was guys who would do impressions And there was prop comics There was like a style of comedy It's not anymore Because Karatop was so dominant he was so big he was the biggest prop comic of all time Gallagher's a prop comic yeah but Gallagher's like a fake prop comic like he smashes fruit and shit it's a little different he has I shouldn't say fake I would say he's got his own branch of prop comedy but he owns as well if you went on stage and try to smash watermelons they'd be like bitch are you fucking kidding me you can't steal from him that's Gallagher's shit you can't smash fruit what about Andrew Dice Clay he's hilarious the man huh does he still make a lot of money He never really proud, but he just had the swagger of, like, this coolness around him, you know, he just...

[1313] Oh, we've had a podcast a couple of times.

[1314] Nice.

[1315] We went to see him in Vegas.

[1316] I saw him back in his height live, man. I was a massive...

[1317] Where was it?

[1318] A big place?

[1319] Either Pacific Amphitheater or down in Orange County during his height.

[1320] Oh, my God.

[1321] And then...

[1322] He did some insane amount of theaters across the country, like, more than any comedian.

[1323] Really?

[1324] Yeah, he's probably the most successful comedian of all time, like, as far as, like, money.

[1325] More than George.

[1326] George Lopez?

[1327] Cool dude at the right time.

[1328] He just came through the right era and just smashed it.

[1329] He just had the perfect act.

[1330] He had an act that you could play back.

[1331] That was the thing about his act.

[1332] Like, you didn't mind if you knew the jokes.

[1333] It's almost like music.

[1334] Like, if you want to go see the Rolling Stones, you don't have a new song, bitch.

[1335] Come on with that new song.

[1336] Get it out of the way.

[1337] You don't want a new shit.

[1338] I want to hear start me up.

[1339] You know, get back to the classics.

[1340] Comedies, you got to have new shit.

[1341] Yeah, comedy you have to have new shit, except Dice Clay.

[1342] Dice Clay.

[1343] what's in the bowl bitch oh the whole crowd would sing it along as if they were like the hickory dickory doc yeah it's a different thing he's killed it it was a different thing he figured out something different or stumbled upon something different but that something different became massive people wanted to say those rhymes they wanted to hear those rhymes little boy blue oh he needed the money and the whole crowd would sing it along what does act like nowadays i haven't He almost seemed like he was just keeping it real He doesn't give a fuck He's worth a ton of money He's got a hot wife There's very few people that legitimately don't give a fuck Andrew Dice Clay legitimately doesn't give a fuck Still smokes a ton of cigarettes Still wears a fucking weightlifting gloves And cut off sleeves And wears a nice fanny pack Props I learned about the roots fanny pack from him It's an excellent choice If you're gonna get a fanny pack Oh roots leather fanny pack He doesn't give a fuck Dude I love Ford Fairling I was such a big Andrew Ice Clay fan.

[1344] That Ford Fairling was still one of my favorite movies.

[1345] I love that fucking movie.

[1346] Well, it's last time he saw his comedy?

[1347] Long time ago.

[1348] Dude, we saw him.

[1349] We saw him about two years ago in Vegas.

[1350] Was he a year ago, two years ago?

[1351] It was about a year ago?

[1352] Is he a year ago?

[1353] Did you ever ask him about what the reasoning behind that the day the laughter died?

[1354] What was that about?

[1355] He didn't give a fuck.

[1356] He went on stage and he was like decided that he was too big or something like that.

[1357] So he went on stage at Dangerfields and decided to just talk nonsense for two hours.

[1358] No jokes.

[1359] bomb and then release it as a DVD and it did great he gave sold hundreds of thousands of copies so it was a joke it was what he wanted to do he just wanted to do whatever the fuck you wanted to do it's called the day the laughter died it sure did die he did whatever the fuck he wanted to do and what he wanted to do was just show up and start recording shows where he just starts talking and maybe comes up with jokes and maybe not and some of the things were funny like you'd get something funny every like 15 20 minutes I took that seriously man I didn't get it I was only, I think I was like 22, I didn't get it, I took it seriously, I thought it was, it was just, he just sucked.

[1360] But he did it on purpose, he did it on purpose.

[1361] I think he got so big.

[1362] I don't think you nor I, nor anyone in this room could ever imagine what it's like to be that famous.

[1363] Yeah.

[1364] And this was famous before the internet, so it was a weird fame.

[1365] You know, it was a, you know, like, people couldn't believe they were seeing you.

[1366] There's a lot more exclusive.

[1367] Dude, you're about as famous as you can get, dude.

[1368] I don't know how you go through life.

[1369] Everywhere you go, people are going there is fucking Joe Rogan everywhere.

[1370] That's got to be fucking crazy.

[1371] But they're nice, man. People are almost universally nice to me. It's not hard.

[1372] You know, people go, what's up, Joe?

[1373] I go, hey, what's up?

[1374] It's not hard.

[1375] It's not like...

[1376] But when people are staring at you at restaurants?

[1377] I'm a nice guy, man. You know, if they say hi, I'll say hi.

[1378] You know, it's not that...

[1379] To me, it's just a bunch of people that are being nice to you.

[1380] If I was known for being a...

[1381] Like, here's a perfect example.

[1382] If you were like George Zimmerman, you know, If you were like, that's that guy that got arrested, shooting Trayvon Martin.

[1383] If you were that kind of famous, that would have to be, that would be very disconcerting.

[1384] Because you're famous for something horrible.

[1385] Or that incognito guy?

[1386] He just got arrested again last night for punching his pregnant girlfriend.

[1387] Allegedly.

[1388] Incognito?

[1389] No, no, no, no, no. Zimmerman.

[1390] Zimmerman.

[1391] Oh.

[1392] Yeah, I mean, look, you're going to run into crazy people no matter what you do in this life.

[1393] Whether you're famous or whether you're not famous.

[1394] And, you know, if you're a friendly person, being famous, as long as you manage your correct.

[1395] as you don't think it's you don't believe it can't believe it yeah you can't but you have to enjoy it like you come you've come from you know you basically worked hard you deserve it you know like it never seems to get old people like man do you ever get nervous i'm like no man that's so cool you know maybe you inspire a lot of people i mean you're everywhere so people maybe feel inspired and it's like man thanks joe keep keep on going it's cool i mean you get well if that's the case i'm happy to do it you know i think i've been inspired by a shitload of people in my life so if there's ever anybody that i can inspire to me that's a huge gift that to be able to turn that back around, you know.

[1396] For sure.

[1397] I think we all, everybody in this room is doing that in some way, shape, or form.

[1398] And I think doing a podcast is doing that.

[1399] You know, having a podcast is like, it's, you know, literally inspiration in a digital form.

[1400] A lot of them, conversations with people that you might not ever get to sit down with.

[1401] And you're talking, like, I had Graham Hancock on last week.

[1402] And, you know, I mean.

[1403] Did you start smoking weed again?

[1404] Not yet.

[1405] Not yet.

[1406] He freaked out.

[1407] I tried.

[1408] He freaked out.

[1409] I tried.

[1410] He was the biggest donor ever, Graham Hancock.

[1411] Well, he was off the rails.

[1412] Yeah.

[1413] He was smoking too much.

[1414] He was smoking every day all day.

[1415] Yeah, that's way too much.

[1416] I never.

[1417] Vaporizing, too.

[1418] Yeah.

[1419] So when you're hitting that vaporizing bag, God damn, you're getting a lot of THC.

[1420] Couple hits a day.

[1421] No big deal.

[1422] Don't get crazy.

[1423] Some days take a day off here and there.

[1424] And you know what else is good about?

[1425] We do it with someone you like.

[1426] You know, like Eddie Bravo and I, we'll get together with smoke a little weed.

[1427] We're never, you know, it's a cool, calm, collected situation.

[1428] It's going to enhance the conversation.

[1429] Yeah, we're going to have a nice time.

[1430] Some people, though, they're smoking it by themselves and sucking big bags of that shit.

[1431] Some people just trying to get on that spiritual level, man. It could be a spiritual to them a way of just chilling out, relaxing.

[1432] Fuck, yeah, it is.

[1433] It's a part of the earth.

[1434] It's a part of the earth that we have a relationship with it.

[1435] If you're waking up hitting the bong, that's too much.

[1436] Well, you know what?

[1437] Maybe you need it.

[1438] You know, I'm not saying what you need or what you don't need.

[1439] But if you don't need it and you're fucking out of control, then you got to deal with your shit.

[1440] And that's the out of control thing is like, a psychological balance.

[1441] I mean, and as a fighter, I think you probably have the most difficult job in all of athletics, entertainment, sports.

[1442] You have the most difficult, solitary, lonely, dangerous, crazy job.

[1443] I think athletes just in general have that because look at the exposure that we're getting on Twitter and stuff like that.

[1444] That stuff wasn't happening when Michael Jordan was.

[1445] So this goes back to what you're talking about when people were a lot more exclusive than because they couldn't get into your day -to -day life as if, like, you know, I'm a fan of Joe Rogan, so I'm like, man, what's, what's, Joe doing when he's in like Brazil or London or something like that so they can keep up on you a little bit more exclusively so then when they see you they're like oh hey well that's also a different thing in what we're talking about about like people coming up to you like people coming up to me are universally friendly like I'm I have a very few people come up to me that weren't friendly and even if someone didn't disagree with me about something they'll come up and just start talking to me and we can have a nice conversation about it and there's never hostility but online when you're dealing with anonymous people yeah no profiles horrible shit internet tough guys because it's not even they're not even it's not even a real thing they're saying because they don't really mean it they would never say it if you were in front of them it's a fake it's the words have no you know what if those people spend half the time off the internet or off their cell phone talking so much and they use that same energy that they do on this side but they go to the other side you know much more like positive how much more inspirational possibly like how much more like ambition they would have and you know maybe successful in that aspect but some people spend that same amount of energy as you would over here on the good side, spending on the negative side.

[1446] If you're able just to turn it around, it's the same effort.

[1447] Yeah, I learned that very early in life, that even though there's a real big pull to think about other people and dwell on other people and be angry about other people and look about their success or compare it to your success, that shit is all flawed and dangerous because it robs you of your time.

[1448] The time you spend, even though it feels natural to hate on somebody, The time you spend hating on someone robs you of your own time.

[1449] You are literally hating on yourself, and you don't even realize it.

[1450] Because if you're a smart person, you only have a certain amount of free time in your fucking day.

[1451] Because if you're a smart person, you find shit you love to do.

[1452] Whether it's a relationship you love to do, whether it's a sport you love to do, whether it's a job you like to pursue, you don't have much time.

[1453] And any time you spend on some nonsense and gossip and stupidity, when you see these, gossipy websites and people talking shit about people where you're like, why would you even write that?

[1454] What are they doing?

[1455] They're distracting themselves from their own failure, universally.

[1456] It's amazing that some people, they ain't even on that level.

[1457] You know, I lost a lot of friends growing up and getting to where I'm at.

[1458] But despite a good decision -making, some people just don't ever get it.

[1459] They don't ever know how to flip that switch and realize that it's the same amount of energy that you spend doing bad is the same amount that you could be spending doing good.

[1460] Yeah.

[1461] And it all goes to the decisions.

[1462] They just get on momentum.

[1463] They get on momentum.

[1464] They get caught up in this wave of hating, you know, hating on people or gossiping about people or talking about someone that you don't even fucking know.

[1465] How many people have you ever heard like talking about like reality stars on TV?

[1466] Like TMZ people.

[1467] Like their job.

[1468] There's three types of people in this world, man. There's there's talkers, there's watchers, and there's doers.

[1469] You know, and if it wasn't for like people like real famous people or whatever, TMZ people won't even have a job because they don't know who to go follow anymore and be like, oh, what are they doing now?

[1470] I'd like to think of when I meet a TMZ guy that he's just a cool dude and a transitioner job.

[1471] That's my approach.

[1472] I like to think that right now he's sticking a camera in front of people's faces at the airport but hey man, I'm just trying to make some money.

[1473] I don't know, dude.

[1474] I used to deliver newspapers.

[1475] You know, I try not to judge anybody doing any of that shit.

[1476] You know, but it's a job that exists.

[1477] It's not his fault that job exists.

[1478] The problem is there's a demand.

[1479] Demand for it.

[1480] There's a demand for nonsense.

[1481] And I'm guilty as charge, man. If I see cops, there was a fake video.

[1482] apparently wasn't really Kanye West, but it was saying that Kanye West was knocking out these people that were paparazzi in Austin.

[1483] I mean, whoever this dude was that looks like Kanye West, but it wasn't Kanye West, is just uncorking left hands.

[1484] The video has been removed, just bombs on these dudes.

[1485] And he obviously has skills because he ducks under a punch and connects with a punch.

[1486] He hits fucking hard, and he knocks these three dudes out in this video.

[1487] I watched it three times.

[1488] What the fuck am I watching that for?

[1489] Like, why do I give a shit if Kanye West is getting in brawls?

[1490] Turns out he wasn't even.

[1491] But if he was getting in brawls or photographers.

[1492] There's a new thing going around the internet called a game called Knockout.

[1493] That's supposedly I think the East Coast was doing.

[1494] These, like, young kids are knocking out old people, just innocent people.

[1495] They're just going up like, hey, having a conversation, boom, just hits them and they're calling this game knockout or something like that.

[1496] Yeah, there should be a new game called.

[1497] Let's go find those faggots and choke them out.

[1498] That should be the new game.

[1499] Like a squadron of guys going out there to look for these motherfuckers.

[1500] Can you imagine that?

[1501] You're walking down the goddamn street.

[1502] You could be a lady, a fucking man with kids at home waiting, and these dudes come by and punch you.

[1503] It should be totally legal to take a baseball bat to those fucking skulls.

[1504] They don't, you know what?

[1505] There's a lot of dumb kids out there that are not raised right.

[1506] They don't get any guidance in their life.

[1507] They live in a terrible environment.

[1508] They're broken.

[1509] They're broken.

[1510] I mean, I'm not saying you can't be fixed, but goddamn, that is a utter lack of respect for humanity.

[1511] if you just strike someone for no reason for a goof.

[1512] Yeah, there's a point where you grow up, though, you know, because you can't blame, you can blame it on the parents, but there comes a point where you get to a certain point where you're like, okay, I can make a decision for myself to make either a good choice.

[1513] Like, I don't have to live like this for the rest of my life.

[1514] I can go on and do this.

[1515] But just to the fact that you would use that as an excuse, like bad parenting and I'm going out and I'm like bashing people.

[1516] But granted it does start with the parenting, you know, that's very important.

[1517] And the guys that are involved, because it's always, it's one dude, there's like a group of five or six of them and one dude.

[1518] just clocks this man passing by.

[1519] And the people in that group, man, there's got to be one per group that has half a heart and can call the cops and report this fucking bastard before he does it again.

[1520] He's a rat?

[1521] There's got to be.

[1522] There's got to fuck yeah.

[1523] I thought he's talking about his group.

[1524] No, no, no, a rat.

[1525] We need...

[1526] He's a rat, okay.

[1527] Yeah, yeah, come on.

[1528] We need more rats, Eddie Brown.

[1529] That's ridiculous.

[1530] That's a quote, in quotes on the new meme on Twitter.

[1531] We need more rats.

[1532] Good fellas.

[1533] Eddie Brown.

[1534] Fuck, yeah.

[1535] His whole family was rats.

[1536] That's a good rat right there.

[1537] Not all rats are bad.

[1538] That's a good rat.

[1539] Yeah, you know, it's an incredibly cowardly move.

[1540] But it's also like they're looking for some excitement in their life, probably.

[1541] And it's exciting to do something horrible like that for all the wrong reasons, but still exciting.

[1542] How about get paid $100 ,000 to get into a gym?

[1543] You know, Dana White's throwing out big bonuses, you know, get some lessons.

[1544] That's the real knock on.

[1545] That's the thing that I say to people when people talk to me about fighting, you know, they're like, why don't you go fight an MMA?

[1546] What are you talking about?

[1547] Like, do you understand what fighting is?

[1548] Like, you go, oh, man, you kick somebody's ass.

[1549] I always say this.

[1550] Like, you think fighting is kicking someone's ass.

[1551] No, that happens sometimes, but it's fighting.

[1552] And everybody wants to kick someone's ass, but nobody wants to fight.

[1553] Nobody wants to have a John Jones, Alexander Gustafson.

[1554] Diego Sanchez, Gilbert.

[1555] Well, you have, you know, you're letting it all hang out in there.

[1556] And if that is not your sole idea of what to be doing with your life, you shouldn't be fucking doing it.

[1557] Exactly.

[1558] Because there's a dude like that out there.

[1559] There's the Alexander Gustafsson out there.

[1560] There's the John Jones out there.

[1561] There's the Jeremy Stevens out there.

[1562] There's dudes out there that that's what they do.

[1563] Those guys are fighting for real, man. You're born with natural talent with those guys.

[1564] They just made the decision to take it to a whole other level.

[1565] Right.

[1566] You know, and you're right, man. You find out a lot about a guy when you hit him.

[1567] Is he going to just fold over?

[1568] Let me beat him up to the ref pulls them off?

[1569] Or is you going to take a hit, keep coming back, fighting strong?

[1570] You know, and that's where that class comes in, like where at the end of the fight, As soon as that buzzer hits, and they know it's all over, all the training, everything, and they just give each other a hug, and people are just like, man, that's amazing.

[1571] But those two fighters have, like, they know each other better than anybody at that particular moment.

[1572] They're just on one.

[1573] You know, they have so much respect for one another.

[1574] You know, they're able to go to war.

[1575] And plus, it's entertaining for the fans, and they just see something that's almost priceless, you know?

[1576] Yeah, no, it's most exciting sport of all time.

[1577] You know, there's no sport that gets closer to the raw nature of a fight to the death, of fight or flight, of being able to test your will, your heart, your courage, you're willing to put it all in the line against another person's.

[1578] And not just in that moment, but in all the time that you spent preparing for that moment, the guy who was more willing, the guy who was more enthused, the guy was more disciplined, and smarter.

[1579] All those things have to come together.

[1580] Yeah, yeah.

[1581] And now also, you're dealing also like what we were talking about with these super athletes, these guys like Hector Lombard, these guys like, like Tyrone.

[1582] and Woodley.

[1583] These guys that are coming along, like, Jesus Christ.

[1584] Sergio Pettus, the little 20 -year -old kid.

[1585] You can name all those guys, but then you've got to think here before too long, there's going to be some little kid right now that he's going to turn 18, and he'd be like, nope, this is what I've been training for, this is what I do.

[1586] And by the time he's 19 years old, could be fighting in the UFC and be one, you know, bad dude.

[1587] Like Tyson.

[1588] When Tyson first started.

[1589] Do you remember those days when you used to watch Tyson on ESPN?

[1590] And you'd see the highlights, and dudes are just going to fly.

[1591] Well, a body shot to a right upper.

[1592] He just admitted that he was on Coke during those fights.

[1593] No, no, the later fights, after prison.

[1594] Yeah, yeah, after he had like 300 million people were taking advantage of him.

[1595] And his beginner days, he was this.

[1596] It was after, so it wasn't during the ferocious days?

[1597] I think he was saying that it was at.

[1598] Let's find out.

[1599] Tyson admits hooked on coke.

[1600] Because it would make sense.

[1601] Because if you look at his early fights where he was just destroying people, that makes sense.

[1602] He looks like he's on Coke.

[1603] I think he was just so.

[1604] so crazy, but he had so much power and such a gift.

[1605] But he would like cry before his fights, dude.

[1606] Like, that's a scary part when you're about to go on stage and you're in the back and you're just waiting.

[1607] That's, that's the crazy part.

[1608] Like, normally a fight just breaks up.

[1609] You know, you know what's funny?

[1610] You're talking about that one documentary where he's crying before the Junior Olympics, where he goes out and knocks to do that one punch.

[1611] Well, I found out through Frankie Liles, because they're good friends.

[1612] He did my podcast.

[1613] Frankie Liles's former WBA champion.

[1614] He said that he was this whole time, I thought, Mike Tyson is crying outside.

[1615] His coach has to come out and get him, Teddy Atlas.

[1616] And it appears that he's talking him through it, like saying, you can do this, you train hard for this, you can do, and then they come back in.

[1617] That's what it looks like.

[1618] But according to Frankie Lyles, his really good friend, he said that, no, he was crying because he knew he was going to kill the guy.

[1619] And it was going to be so much fun.

[1620] He couldn't believe he's finally going to be, he's going to win this Junior Olympic thing.

[1621] That's why he was crying.

[1622] And Teddy Atlas was going, come on, it's just like, let's go get it, let's go do it, and then we could celebrate later.

[1623] That's what Frankie Lyle said From 2000 That's insane From the rain in 2000 when he fought Lou Savarice He was high and he was on Coke And that's when he started using a rubber dick He started using a Wizzinator What year was this?

[1624] This was in 2000 This was post prison And he did test positive For marijuana after a fight in 2000 with Andrew Galada They find him 200 ,000 bucks He said he didn't have a chance To get the Whizzer from a from a member of his team the dude was holding his rubber dick that's crazy he said he lost his mind back then he said he said that he was he bit Lennox Lewis when he was high on cocaine in 2002 all that shit were I'll fuck you in front of you you know I fuck you till you love me fagic yeah remember that yeah which was a great maybe the greatest thing anyone's ever said anybody ever he was just sweat come on that was one of your your bits I'll fuck you till you love me goes do you really You ain't man enough to fuck with me. Do you realize how long that would take?

[1625] That could take years.

[1626] Crazy, dude.

[1627] He was insane, dude, that ferocious attitude.

[1628] And he would just laying blow after heavy blow.

[1629] And he'd be like, I just keep punching because he knows he's just breaking you.

[1630] And those guys would just...

[1631] Well, he was high when he was fighting and he wasn't training.

[1632] Yeah, he even mentions he got knocked down before the Buster Douglas fight.

[1633] And, you know, in Buster Douglas, actually, that's a crazy story about him.

[1634] Mom died like three weeks before that fight, and he still took that fight.

[1635] So you know that dude's just like on like another mental level because that or he just been really screwed up, but he obviously seemed like he was on a whole other level.

[1636] Listen to this.

[1637] He wrote in his memoir.

[1638] The history of war is the history of drugs.

[1639] Every great general and warrior from the beginning of time was high.

[1640] Who put that?

[1641] Tyson wrote that.

[1642] That's what he wrote his memoirs.

[1643] You know what?

[1644] There's a lot to it when you find out the Bush has brought in more coke to the states.

[1645] in the states than any all the drug cartels combined did you imagine if you found out that the the military industrial complex is just a bunch of co -heads oh dude it was it was chosen they call them the uh the angel of uh or the lord of the skies there was this old cocaine dealer before el chapo guzman they called this guy the lord of the skies and and my spanish isn't that good to even remember what what it was but this guy was one of the he was the richest and probably no one else will ever top the guy the lord of the guys.

[1646] Well, he, uh, he basically bought out all the police, all the government and was paying top, top dollar.

[1647] I mean, he was paying a lot.

[1648] He was in Mexico.

[1649] He was in Mexico and he's flying in drugs to the U .S. and was using all these resources.

[1650] So there's no doubt in my mind.

[1651] You know, I, you know, I'm not disrespecting anybody, but there's no doubt in my mind that that stuff is, is very for sure.

[1652] And people, cops, governmental officials are getting paid off.

[1653] Have you ever seen the Clinton Chronicles?

[1654] It's on YouTube.

[1655] It's a documentary.

[1656] No, what is it?

[1657] God.

[1658] Damn, watch the Clinton Chronicles.

[1659] It's on YouTube, it's free.

[1660] It's a history of Bill Clinton, man. And when you find out why he became president and what he did in Arkansas as governor, that dude was more 10 times more gangster than any, a hundred times more gangster than like John Gotti.

[1661] What about the Bush guy and the family and stuff like that?

[1662] They were all tight.

[1663] Bill Clinton was working for George Bush.

[1664] Yeah, yeah, they're all tied in.

[1665] Yeah.

[1666] This family bloodline of Bush goes back to the guy they called Dracula and this Dracula guy would he would those people that would fight him or try to attack his like Vlad?

[1667] Like Vlad?

[1668] Yeah that he's like tied into a bloodline of just deep war roots and that it goes all the way back to that but none of them are like Rob Ford Rob Ford's still on top the Toronto mayor guy yeah well you know what you know what when according to the Clinton Chronicles man all the stuff that the media was there was a media blackout at all the shit that he that he went through in Arkansas Jesus.

[1669] You've heard all the shady shit around him.

[1670] I've always heard that there was a lot.

[1671] All the stuff about Barry Seals and the MENA of Arkansas.

[1672] Yes, but when you look into exactly what he did and how it went down, it's like a two -hour documentary.

[1673] It's insane.

[1674] Bill Clinton is, according to this documentary, the Clinton Chronicles, he's a super cokehead.

[1675] Him and his brother, Roger, super cokeheads.

[1676] They were the ones that were allowing the Coke to be.

[1677] dropped off from Latin America, from Columbia.

[1678] They drop it off.

[1679] Arkansas was the hub.

[1680] Mina, Arkansas.

[1681] Look that up.

[1682] Google Mina, Arkansas.

[1683] That's where it all came through.

[1684] Bill Clinton let all the Coke come through during the Iran -Contra thing.

[1685] They got busted doing this.

[1686] Ronald Reagan and...

[1687] Is there any evidence that he was a co -keed?

[1688] Like, saying that he's a co -kid like that...

[1689] Dude, according to this documentary.

[1690] According to the documentary...

[1691] Who's the documentary by again?

[1692] What's it called?

[1693] It's called the Clinton Chronicles.

[1694] Trust me on this one.

[1695] This will blow you the fuck away, dude.

[1696] He had everybody unlocked, dude.

[1697] Everybody.

[1698] All public officials.

[1699] You know what I love doing?

[1700] Those people, the reason they're in powerful positions because of their decision -making.

[1701] And some of the stuff that I imagine that they have to do, I mean, you read about, like, royalty and this crazy stuff that they'll do to kids for power and all this crazy stuff, man. Like the Bohemian Grove type shit?

[1702] Yeah, yeah.

[1703] But there's even stuff like over in like this, there's this like, in Europe, there's like this castle where they talk about these like little kids that they basically like do these crazy acts on, almost.

[1704] like molestation for like their power and like they're crazy like an adrenaline like when they scare.

[1705] Skull and bones type shit.

[1706] Yeah it just gets way deep Freemason type shit, right?

[1707] It gets bizarre, you know.

[1708] Do you ever do you Google like when you see that like something like the Curtin Chronicles?

[1709] Do you ever Google the Clinton Chronicles debunked?

[1710] I don't believe those debunked.

[1711] Or just you look at the Wikipedia that way.

[1712] There's so many people paid to put up those debunk websites.

[1713] I can't believe any of that shit.

[1714] I need to see the alternative media.

[1715] The debunk stuff.

[1716] That's all the official story of this is what the mainstream wants you to believe i already doubt anything mainstream sometimes sometimes sometimes sometimes it's facts though man you got to you got to look at both sides yeah there's a there's a there's a lot of fact in the clinton chronicles man there's some serious the new york times called it discredited due to its weak circumstantial evidencing coincidences exactly that's that's that's of course they got a black helicopters yeah yeah Watch it.

[1717] Black helicopters.

[1718] If you believe, man. Where's the documents?

[1719] Dude.

[1720] It's insane, man. I mean.

[1721] I have the documents.

[1722] That's official.

[1723] Like Washington Post, they're bought and sold.

[1724] Come on.

[1725] CNN.

[1726] They're bought and sold.

[1727] I'll show you the receipt, bitch.

[1728] Yeah, some of them, for sure.

[1729] There's definitely a lot of fuckery going on.

[1730] Some of those things, you know, the problem with documentaries is almost anybody can make a documentary.

[1731] Well, there isn't a conspiracy theory about Minico, Arkansas.

[1732] That shit went.

[1733] down.

[1734] I mean, I ran contract, that went down.

[1735] You're right, about that.

[1736] But who knows whether or not he's actually a co -cat, you know, I'd wonder if the dudes are doing blow and getting crazy.

[1737] You know what I'm, we know what I'm fascinated with right now is there's so many ex -CIA agents coming clean and talking, man. And there's a bunch of them.

[1738] Really?

[1739] Yeah.

[1740] Do you ever watch Homeland?

[1741] No. People are going to start dying and crazy car crashes.

[1742] There's a lot of deaths, man. They happen in 9 -11.

[1743] You hear about, like, loose change and all the other documentaries.

[1744] that we're talking about, then they're like, all of a sudden, like, this guy died in a fire at his house.

[1745] That's huge about the Clinton Chronicles.

[1746] Is anybody that, anybody that comes forward as a witness, they get their heads blown off, and then the corner puts suicide.

[1747] You see that stuff about it?

[1748] Just body after body after body.

[1749] People die.

[1750] Tila Tequila, who was dating the Johnson and Johnson.

[1751] What happened?

[1752] The girl, the, uh, remember Tila Tequila?

[1753] Right.

[1754] Uh, she was dating, you know, like, baby Johnson, the shampoo and stuff.

[1755] Uh -huh.

[1756] Well, she was, like, doing her, like, her lesbian thing with the daughter.

[1757] And, well, the daughter, I, like, ended up dying Well, like, Tila Tequila came out in this crazy YouTube videos was talking about Illuminati.

[1758] It was like, and these people are trying to give me. They shut her daughter.

[1759] No, I'm not for sure exactly.

[1760] I really doubt anybody did anything but laugh.

[1761] If they found out to Teila Tequila.

[1762] If I was the Illuminati, I would want Teila Tequila talking about the Illuminati.

[1763] I'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1764] Send her a fucking dossier with everything in it.

[1765] Tell her everything we're doing.

[1766] And tell that bitch to start our website.

[1767] She was doing a good job, though.

[1768] Well, if she started doing that, and then they would go, yeah, yeah, Tila Tequila told you that?

[1769] Okay.

[1770] We're done here.

[1771] You just release all the truths and just give it to Teila Tequila.

[1772] That's the way when she starts her show, you'd be like, what the fuck?

[1773] What, Teela Tequila's Edward Snowden?

[1774] Tealah Tequila's Julian and Assange.

[1775] No, it's fucking Tequila.

[1776] Stop, bitch.

[1777] You think, look, there.

[1778] That's ridiculous.

[1779] Dude, that's, that shit's crazy, though.

[1780] The Illuminati's using her.

[1781] She's a pawn!

[1782] They have the documents!

[1783] You don't think they can find a better spokesperson for Tila?

[1784] Fucking Tiki.

[1785] Tequila and Coulter and Tequila are lovers.

[1786] Tequila has died seven times.

[1787] Sure she has.

[1788] Shut that off.

[1789] Stop.

[1790] Is that what it says?

[1791] Exactly the shit I'm talking about.

[1792] If you look at her Wikipedia, you would go, okay.

[1793] Try talking to Neil Tyson or Sam Harris about what Tealah Tequila told you.

[1794] The fucking eyes are glaze over the conversation he'd done in 10 minutes.

[1795] Just stop.

[1796] Nothing wrong with Tequila.

[1797] She's a very pretty girl.

[1798] Maybe she's got some good points.

[1799] My point is, they play, oh, that's the thing about Homeland.

[1800] Homeland's an interesting show.

[1801] It's on Showtime.

[1802] It's about the CIA.

[1803] I really enjoy it.

[1804] It's fascinating show.

[1805] It's about the CIA?

[1806] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1807] It's about the CIA and fighting terrorism and people turning terrorists and soldiers turning on the government.

[1808] Does it make the CIA look good?

[1809] No, no. It's a good show.

[1810] It's a really good show.

[1811] It shows how difficult the intelligence business is, though.

[1812] And it shows how much they set things up and they create fake.

[1813] stories and they release fake stories to the news it's god damn fascinating really they go that far yeah yeah because and you you watch it and you go huh i wonder what they actually do because this is purely fiction so i wonder how much how much is actually going on how much is actual narrative how much they create but for sure they create some of it for sure for sure if there's some shit going on they want to cover up dude operation operation mockingbird that's not a conspiracy theory How about Operation Midnight Climax?

[1814] That's not a conspiracy theory.

[1815] You know, that's a fucking real thing that they did where the FBI put brothels in New York and San Francisco, and they got people fucked up on LSD when they thought they were going to get a hooker.

[1816] And then they monitored them and checked them and did studies on them.

[1817] These dudes, they were going to get their dick slacks like, oh, I'm tired of fucking my wife.

[1818] I'm tired of my life.

[1819] I'm tired of everything.

[1820] But I scraped up $200.

[1821] bucks.

[1822] My wife doesn't know about it.

[1823] I'm going to sneak off to this brothel, and I'm going to blow a load.

[1824] It's going to be glorious.

[1825] And you get there, would you like something water, baby, before we get started?

[1826] Sure, I'll take a glass of water, honey, and drink a little glass of water, and all of a sudden, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do.

[1827] The fucking guys and the suits come in with the clipboards and the big glasses, and they're freaking you to fuck out, asking questions.

[1828] And these poor guys, man, they did this for years and did these, these unbeknownst to them, studies on these dudes.

[1829] And it was after the government couldn't do it anymore to soldiers.

[1830] So was it just like mind warping them and figuring out their mind frequencies?

[1831] Well, they were trying to figure out what the fuck LSD did.

[1832] And for a long time they thought LSD, when Robert Hoffman, Albert Hoffman, rather, when Albert Hoffman created LSD, once the intelligence community found out about this incredibly potent psychedelic drug, for the Western world, it was one of the first psychedelics people aware of.

[1833] It wasn't until Gordon Wasse, discovered the psychedelic mushroom that people knew that it existed in the Western world.

[1834] The information, for what have you, even though there's thousands and thousands of years of use, had kind of been lost to the modern intellectual.

[1835] Well, acid came along by accident.

[1836] Albert Hoffman discovered acid.

[1837] And then the government initially, when they found out about, thought that it was going to be a truth serum.

[1838] They thought, what we're going to do is we're going to get these enemy guys, we're going to give them acid, and they're just going to tell us everything.

[1839] Turnout didn't work that way.

[1840] It was just, they were too fucked up.

[1841] They couldn't make any sense.

[1842] They were talking about butterflies, stealing their underwear, and, you know, they were, they were madness.

[1843] Oh, they were tripping.

[1844] They were tripping hard.

[1845] And, by the way, they didn't know what the doses were.

[1846] Like, the way I've heard it described acid biochemically, it's a fascinating description, but Terrence McKenna said it best.

[1847] He said, acid is so strong, and the dose is so small that an ant could destroy the entire Empire State building in 30 minutes.

[1848] Like, that's literally how powerful.

[1849] acid is per size per dose that the analogy would be an ant destroying the Empire State building in 30 minutes.

[1850] So it's so intensely powerful and they were given these people large doses.

[1851] So they weren't getting any truth out of them.

[1852] So then they thought about it and said well maybe this is the opposite.

[1853] This is what we'll do.

[1854] We'll give it to our soldiers and then when they get captured we say hey pop this shit in your mouth and you don't tell anybody's shit.

[1855] They would give them like a fucking like one of those juice boxes filled with acid they would suck it down when they were in the trenches and then no one would be able to talk at all.

[1856] Yeah, for sure.

[1857] They just mind warped them, huh?

[1858] Yeah, they mind warped them.

[1859] Well, they did a lot of tests for sure on people where they didn't know about acid.

[1860] They did those.

[1861] They did a lot of tests on soldiers, both the United States and the British Armed Forces did that.

[1862] And they also, the United States did tests on unbeknownst towns.

[1863] They did these clandestine operations where they just, they took this town in France and they put acid in their bread, you know, and like, people died.

[1864] Like, people freaked out.

[1865] They did crazy shit.

[1866] I mean, they got, like, seriously dosed acid and bread.

[1867] Yeah.

[1868] This XCI agent talked about what he did personally.

[1869] One of the things that stuck out in his head is in Cuba, they would find the truck route to, like, elementary schools, hijack the truck, fill the milk, throw cement.

[1870] This is what he said.

[1871] He could be totally crazy in this documentary insane, but he's saying he's saying he's an XCI agent, and this is the stuff they wanted to cause chaos.

[1872] They would infiltrate Cuba.

[1873] They wanted a, they specifically targeted to blow up bridges where they'd be women and children so people would freak out.

[1874] They wanted as much chaos as possible to start a revolution.

[1875] And in the chaos, according to this guy, they would cause the chaos and that's when they would come in and take control of the drugs and sell the arms to the rebels.

[1876] Like that was the formula, whether it's a Latin American country, like Nicaragua, wherever.

[1877] I mean, El Salvador, wherever, that was the plan, is to go in their country.

[1878] cause chaos, arm the rebels, sell them arms, and blow shit up, blame it on the commies, start a revolution, try to assassinate, again, according to the CIA agents, they're saying, try to get the dictator assassinated, and in the chaos, they take control of all the drugs, natural resources, oil, and selling, that's what the CIA did.

[1879] According to these guys, that was the job.

[1880] Mastermind.

[1881] They do it in Asia, they do it in Latin America, they do it in the Middle East, cause They want the chaos.

[1882] And then once the country's decimated, once the economy collapses because of all this chaos, the international bankers come in, boom.

[1883] And they become the saviors.

[1884] They come in and save and then they put in their own dictator, boom, they have control that whole country.

[1885] So we basically bankrupt them and then swoop over.

[1886] It makes sense, right?

[1887] Oh, for sure, for sure.

[1888] These are gangsters.

[1889] And Arkansas was the state.

[1890] This is not a conspiracy theory.

[1891] It went down with the Iran -Contra hearings.

[1892] They got busted.

[1893] Ronald Reagan and George Sr., the head of the CIA is the vice president.

[1894] they get busted doing this.

[1895] JFK and all them.

[1896] And they knew Arkansas was where they were bringing it in.

[1897] And this is not a conspiracy theory.

[1898] This is exactly what happened.

[1899] So who was the governor of Arkansas when all this coat came through in the 80s?

[1900] Bill Clinton.

[1901] He was the one letting it all happen.

[1902] And then who takes over as president after George Singer, the head of the CIA, once he steps down after he invades Iraq, Bill Clinton is the president.

[1903] They're running together.

[1904] Bill Clinton is hooking up George Singer by letting him use Arkansas.

[1905] and he becomes the president and then you watch their debates you go to YouTube and watch their debates they're talking about sending jobs overseas and they're doing this with their hand like they got this thing man this is I don't know what this is but they this must mean something that's a speech thing that guys do when they make a point presidents really like this well you don't want to do this because this is aggressive you want to this is like you can trust me but you're not hitting anybody like this I'm not a fighter I'm going to I'm going to lower taxes and we're going to create more jobs.

[1906] Put a stamp on you hear them talking about this.

[1907] Sometimes you can gently do this.

[1908] And knowing that their main business is Bill Clinton was hooking up George Singer knowing this and then now they're talking about the fucking balancing the budget, it's hysterical it is like pro wrestling.

[1909] It's like their buddies behind the scene but on camera they're pretending like their enemies but it's insane and that's not a conspiracy theory.

[1910] He was a CIA agent.

[1911] 1951 in France, suddenly and mysteriously, people struck down with mass insanity and hallucinations.

[1912] At least five people died.

[1913] Dozens were interned in asylums and hundreds afflicted.

[1914] That's the facts.

[1915] And it was assumed that the local bread had been unwittingly poisoned with a psychedelic mold, which happens.

[1916] And that's what they're saying was responsible for the Salem witch trials.

[1917] They said the Salem witch trials, they've narrowed it down to, apparently when there's an early frost, when you have a wheat harvest, early frost can trigger the growth of ergot.

[1918] Ergot is a type of fungus that grows on wheat that has many of the same qualities as LSD.

[1919] So when you consume this bread with this ergot or wheat that has this ergot in it, you trip your fucking brains out.

[1920] Naturally.

[1921] Naturally, in a scary way.

[1922] Because you imagine taking massive doses of acid in your bread.

[1923] Even back then.

[1924] When your children are tripping out, your children are freaking out.

[1925] everyone thinks everyone's haunted and you know they just started drowning witches they're like you know yeah that's insane i watch that i'm like a netflix about sailing witch trials this stuff was crazy yeah a lot of people just thought that they were being they were under a spell you know they they literally didn't realize what was going on so this they had blamed this shit on ergot until recently and now they they believe that what's going on was that the CIA had there's there's CIA documents that uh this guy uh found while investigating the suspecting the suicide of a man named Frank Olson, who's a biochemist working for the SOD who fell from a 13th floor window two years after the cursed bread incident in France.

[1926] And one note transcribes a conversation between a CIA agent and a Sandoz official.

[1927] Sandos is the people that eventually started producing in mass quantities LSD.

[1928] They mentioned the secret Point Saint -Esprit experiment.

[1929] Point Esprit was where this all went down.

[1930] So they had mentioned in a memo and explained that it was not at all caused by mold, but by diethlamide the D and LSD.

[1931] So they had injected this shit into this town's bread supply just to watch it, just to sort of just to absorb what happens when you get a whole town on acid in 1951.

[1932] They didn't know any, you know, they didn't really have all the data in 1951.

[1933] I don't know anything about that, but you telling me that it's like just makes sense.

[1934] They're fucking criminals.

[1935] Yeah, well, some of them were, some of them are, you know, some of them back then.

[1936] My hope, for real, is that the Internet provides such an access to information, such a boundary -dissolving thing between people and the truth, that anything that happens from now to the future or from, you know, five years from now and the future, everyone will be so accountable for their actions because it'll be so obvious and clear that they just won't be able to run things business as usual.

[1937] The corruption will slowly morph down to a very reasonable level Because it'll all be transparent Yeah, like I remember Man, there's so many different conspiracy theories And you just don't have time to really look into them all And I remember you being really into JFK And I never really spent that much time It just seemed like when someone would tell me that was It was an inside job Like just knowing what these criminals do And they're like, okay, I believe it I just haven't looked into it But recently, just recently I've been obsessed with the JFK case.

[1938] Fascinating.

[1939] It's amazing.

[1940] Man, to think, to think that all the stuff that I did spend time in that it's all connected, all from World War II, Prescott, Bush, George Singer, JFK, Nixon, all the way up to George Senior becoming vice president Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, bam, George W, how did that happen?

[1941] And then Obama, all of it is all connected.

[1942] And it all has CIA running right through it.

[1943] I would like to play the part of the average person on the ultimate, the underground right now, going, why the fuck are they talking about conspiracy theories where Jeremy Stevens is on the podcast?

[1944] No, I'm totally.

[1945] He believes it.

[1946] That doesn't sound crazy, right?

[1947] I don't know what to hear about this.

[1948] We hear about training and diet, nutrition.

[1949] We do want to hear about this.

[1950] We do want to hear about this stuff, man, because honestly, if it opens up a lot of people's eyes to really stuff that's going on, and you bring up a lot of good points, like, why aren't we seeing documents like that in school that says, you know, George Senior was CIA type stuff and some of these events that were going down.

[1951] That's pretty much history.

[1952] I mean, he was the head of the CIA.

[1953] That's history, George Senior.

[1954] And that alone is, and it's, again, that's not a conspiracy there.

[1955] It's history.

[1956] That's insane.

[1957] Well, way more disturbing.

[1958] George Bush, but that's not, listen, that's kind of disturbing, but George Bush, senior being the head of the CIA is in natural progression.

[1959] Going from one big top office to another kind of makes sense.

[1960] What doesn't make sense at all, and it's really scary, is the Dick Cheney, Halliburton connection.

[1961] The fact that Dick Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton he leaves Halliburton becomes the Vice President of the United States, then Halliburton starts getting these no -bid contracts to rebuild Iraq.

[1962] I mean, these huge multi -billion dollar these contracts to rebuild Iraq a war that Dick Cheney is trying to get us into.

[1963] That's a tip of the iceberg.

[1964] To think that that's only happening because of George Singer.

[1965] When George Singer and Ronald Reagan got busted the eye they got busted wide open selling arms to the contras they got busted and all the coke and nobody went to jail you think that stuff's going down oh no all over north took the heat all over north took the heat i think i think i think that stuff is me i live i live close right down i mean i live in chula vista yeah and uh chula vista is you know it's real close to the alliance gym but it's basically a chula wana and when you go down there and then like you hear all these crazy like homeland stories about just uh these drug cartels this and that selling guns where they're getting these guns from In Chula Vista?

[1966] No, not in Chula Vista.

[1967] In Mexico.

[1968] They're getting like American guns and they're able to like, you know, basically like go down there and come back up here.

[1969] And then they have like state stash houses and it's like all this crazy stuff that goes on that, you know, you don't really think about.

[1970] But it's actually going on right here in America too.

[1971] Ricky Ross, he was on your show.

[1972] He was saying that I remember being 22 and some and I worked with a couple Mexican gangbanger type dudes and were deep in the hood and Mexican Moff.

[1973] and I remember them saying, oh, you don't think the government brings in the drugs?

[1974] I was like, the government brings in the drug.

[1975] I go, you think we got airplanes?

[1976] How do you think the drugs get it?

[1977] And they looked at each other and laughed like I didn't know.

[1978] And I go, you guys are insane.

[1979] The government brings the drugs in.

[1980] Are you crazy?

[1981] And it turns out that that's real.

[1982] And that's not a conspiracy theory.

[1983] That's documented.

[1984] You see that tunnel they found recently in San Diego that goes all the way to Mexico?

[1985] Super sophisticated.

[1986] The one with electricity, lighting, air conditioning, wiring.

[1987] It's a new one.

[1988] They found many of these tunnels.

[1989] Go to big corporations or a place where they can just pick up their drugs.

[1990] And this stuff goes down.

[1991] It's insane.

[1992] You live in San Diego.

[1993] What is it like in San Diego being that close to Mexico, being that close?

[1994] Honestly, you don't even know the difference until you go over there.

[1995] It's like we're over here paying for like this crazy fish market.

[1996] It's like 100 bucks.

[1997] You go downtown San Diego.

[1998] You go 30 minutes into Tijuana.

[1999] get the best fish of your life for just dollars.

[2000] You know, so it's a lot cheaper, but, you know, the, the culture is way different.

[2001] There's a lot of different things.

[2002] Like San Diego has a way laid back vibe.

[2003] Everybody's cool.

[2004] It's like nothing going on, but realize that, like, a half hour away, there's shootings every day that's going down, and, like, just their buildings look a lot more ghetto.

[2005] And just the way they live, you almost, when you go back and you have that type of experience being over there, you almost just appreciate going to a clean neighborhood, you know, driving by.

[2006] That makes sense.

[2007] What is it like being that close?

[2008] Do you ever think about it?

[2009] Do you ever hear about it spilling over?

[2010] Yeah, you hear about kidnappings.

[2011] You hear about, you hear a lot of stuff.

[2012] You know, and then like sometimes there's like helicopters flying.

[2013] Like, have you seen this guy, whatever?

[2014] So kidnapping is because it's easy to get back into Mexico.

[2015] Yeah.

[2016] Getting back into Mexico is like that.

[2017] Human trafficking, man. The drugs, you know, people that are stuff that are people are making movies on and making millions of dollars.

[2018] You know, that's all cool, but that stuff really goes down.

[2019] Right.

[2020] know there's a big war on drugs and and like you said that you're you know you hear about people like government's funding and this and stuff I mean where do you think they're getting these type of guns and this type of muscle because the drug cartel will basically they'll they'll buy they'll buy like say like Joe Rogan you're you're like an army general guy and you know you know some secret stuff on weapons and you're only getting paid a hundred dollars a week to feed your family and they're like tell you what we're going to pay you $100 ,000 we're going to put you in your family in a in a house whatever but if you mess up or if you do anything wrong, we'll kill you, your whole family, and then some.

[2021] So they'll take, like, head corporate people that know how to build, like, they'll build them, like, submarines.

[2022] They'll get these people in the jungle that know how to build this stuff, and then they'll submarine hundreds and millions of dollars of drug cartel.

[2023] And it's insane, you know, and this stuff actually goes down.

[2024] I wonder if, can you imagine if there was, like, a map, like an overlay of the United States, where you could just theoretically watch, like, a highlight of all the cocaine boats that are coming on a daily basis.

[2025] There's a big shipment right there, Joe.

[2026] As crazy as that is, that the law enforcement couldn't see it, but you can see it?

[2027] Law enforcement gets paid off not to see it, or they do or they don't.

[2028] Well, as crazy as that is, and that all does exist, all these cartels are real, according to these ex -CIA agents and all the stuff that was going on in Mina, that's a small, tiny fraction compared to what the CIA is dumping in.

[2029] They're bringing in giant fucking military planes filled with tons and tons of coke.

[2030] And then every night, and then they'll bust the little cartel, put it on the news, and say, hey, look, we're doing our best to stop this.

[2031] Watch the Lord of the Skies, that documentary like you're talking.

[2032] I'm going to go home and watch that Clinton Chronicles, but I'm not for sure the Spanish word of it, but check out the Lord of the Skies.

[2033] That guy was the, he was the most biggest, powerful drug dealer, and there's another guy down there right now that's coming up, but no one says that there's anybody like this guy, they called the Lord of the Sky.

[2034] One of its Barry Seal.

[2035] This guy funded the whole government, and the government was protecting him.

[2036] He was buying police.

[2037] That's Barry Seale.

[2038] That's got to be Barry Seals.

[2039] He's the most famous, biggest.

[2040] You're talking about a guy that's alive now.

[2041] No, he's dead.

[2042] I guess, like, he came over here for surgery, like, in San Diego and, like, was into plastic surgery to change his, like, look.

[2043] Like, he's, like, Iran -type crazy stuff.

[2044] And he died, like, during a surgery.

[2045] That's supposedly.

[2046] But then there's, like, conspiracy theorists that are like, no, he didn't die.

[2047] He escaped.

[2048] You know, because I'm sure you heard of El Chapo Guzman, who escaped from a high -security prison.

[2049] escaped in quotes escaped a high security you got billions of dollars man billions and that's that's funny how about have you seen the documentary the two eskabars no I haven't you dude you got to see the two eskabars one of the greatest documentaries Eddie probably fucking is in his glory you see how he picks up when you're talking about conspiracy well this is about Pablo Escobar about this has nothing to a conspiracy this is one of the biggest drug lords ever Pablo Escobar and it's about him and how he got involved with soccer in Columbia and how he he almost became political but then there was a backlash of the things that he was doing because they loved him like a god down there like he was feeding the poor like he was doing this crazy stuff with like his drug money but he just didn't want anybody messing with his family but he was feeding the poor he was doing so much for politics well there was a lot of killing going on which is involved in drugs you know a lot of families were dying so then there was a big retaliation toward him and the things that were going on so then like the politics like cut them off was like we can't be associated with that, not like if people know you like this, so they cut them off.

[2050] That's it right there.

[2051] Yeah, what he did, what he did is, uh, um, they wanted, he was, you know, obviously he was helping the poor and he was building houses and he was really in the soccer, building little soccer fields all over the ghettos and he raised a badass soccer players.

[2052] That's why Columbia ended up going to the World Cup because he raised them.

[2053] All the, all the guys on the Colombian soccer team that made it to the World Cup this, I think, was 93.

[2054] They're like, why is Pablo Escobar in the audience?

[2055] Why does he have, like, VIP?

[2056] No one really knew.

[2057] They just thought it was just, when you looked into it, he knew all those guys.

[2058] He raised them up his kids.

[2059] He was really super into soccer.

[2060] Have you ever had anybody try to get you to dump a fight?

[2061] Have you ever had, like, some Pablo Escobar type gangster dude who bet a lot of money?

[2062] You can say that.

[2063] No, but I have an infatuation because I was like, I'm always into, like, you know, conspiracies.

[2064] I watch your stuff, and, and I always, like, just pick and choose.

[2065] And, like, I get into stuff like that.

[2066] But one thing that's always interesting to me, And I've never been involved in is just drugs, drug cartels.

[2067] Actually, you know, I grew up from a family where, you know, there was a drug problem in the household, and which is the reason why, like, I, you know, I kind of live porn in the ghetto and stuff like that.

[2068] So then when I hear about, like, these drug cartels and these big billionaires that just come from nothing, these guys come from, like, you'll hear them talking about being poor, helping their parents' farm.

[2069] They never wanted to live like that.

[2070] They wanted to live large, and they had these dreams of just envisioning this stuff.

[2071] And, like, on their way up, you know, they've got to do some.

[2072] crazy things to get you know heavy words the crown they say so it's crazy some of the some of their stories and interesting facts and and i i kind of like it you know so yeah he they wanted to the u .s. wanted to extradite them and uh and throw him in jail in the states yeah for all the shit he was doing and pablo eskabar went to the government and said i want you if you rewrite the constitution rewrite the law that says you i cannot be extradited i will go to prison here i will uh you you can have me in prison and then they said fuck that and they they they fought he killed a lot of politicians there was like wars on the street and there was so much bloodshed that they finally said okay we are changing the goddamn law you know now go to jail so he goes to jail and meanwhile that whole time he built the jail he set it up he had nightclubs in their tunnels to escape they had no idea that he went to his own jail he was part he was leaving anytime he wanted this is all in the documentary this is saying can you imagine that So when they finally figured it out, because they arrested his rival drug cartel, they sent him into prison and he was right there in his own prison, so they murdered him.

[2073] So once they found out that they figured out to, oh shit, he's running this jail.

[2074] They went there and he was gone, dude.

[2075] He had escaped tunnels.

[2076] Dude, he had a nightclub there.

[2077] He had his soccer fields.

[2078] They, you know, he ended up dying later.

[2079] They chased him down, right, and killed him, assassinated him.

[2080] Yeah, yeah.

[2081] Apparently, Colombia's awesome now.

[2082] Apparently, Colombia, like, the drug problems like a thing of the past.

[2083] It's like a nice, safe place to be.

[2084] It's interesting, man. Columbia's crazy.

[2085] Yeah, it's interesting how that can happen.

[2086] I have a hotbox out there, 10 Planet Barankia.

[2087] Oh, yeah?

[2088] Yeah, those guys are savages.

[2089] Isn't it interesting that, you know, places can go and come?

[2090] And I wonder what the fuck's going to happen in the future of Mexico because when I was a kid, man, Mexico was a badass place to be.

[2091] Yeah, you could go over there a lot easier.

[2092] Yeah, you go to Cancun.

[2093] People always went to Cancun.

[2094] Everybody, like, you never heard anything about violence in Mexico.

[2095] Mexico was like a nice, chill place.

[2096] You thought of people, with fucking margaritas, chilling on the beach.

[2097] You know, you didn't think a dude's cutting dude's heads off.

[2098] I was worried.

[2099] Yeah, there's still beautiful places.

[2100] not saying that it's, like, bad, you know, Mexico has some pretty cool ancient stuff, like, over there that, like, line up with the stars, you know, so I'm not, not dogging on Mexico by any means.

[2101] Mexico, they're very humble people.

[2102] You ever notice that?

[2103] Mexican people always take care of you.

[2104] You can, you know, you go to a Mexican family's house, you know, you're eating good food, their manners, you know, they're trying to take care of you.

[2105] Very family.

[2106] And you're a quarter Mexican.

[2107] I'm a quarter Mexican.

[2108] My girl's 100 % Mexican, so I come from a Mexican background.

[2109] Nice.

[2110] Yeah, I love it.

[2111] They take care of me. Great Mexican fighters, man. You want to talk about one nationality that has produced incredible boxers.

[2112] Eric Perez looked pretty good, huh?

[2113] Fuck, yeah.

[2114] He looked great.

[2115] He looked like he's improving for sure.

[2116] Kane Velasquez, dude.

[2117] Yeah.

[2118] You know, that dude.

[2119] Oh, my God.

[2120] Well, he was born America, son.

[2121] I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[2122] Finally, we got a Mexican heavyweight champion.

[2123] Couldn't do it in boxing.

[2124] American.

[2125] Born here is American.

[2126] Chale ever fought him.

[2127] He'd taran doing pretty good, I imagine.

[2128] About being from America?

[2129] I don't think he would mind knowing what kind of a beating he's going to give Chale at the end of it.

[2130] How do you think King Velasquez would do in boxing?

[2131] Oh, who knows?

[2132] I mean, he would have to get really good at it.

[2133] You know, there's a big difference, man, between a guy like, like we could say Andre Ward.

[2134] You see Andre Ward's fight this weekend?

[2135] He fought this dude who was a serious knockout puncher.

[2136] I forget the guy's name.

[2137] but Andre Ward just boxed circles around him and just cracked him hit him with some big shots you know like basically dominated him but this guy was a badass fucking boxer and he's a really high level box this guy was undefeated a big knockout record there's a big difference between a guy who's a guy that's good at boxing in MMA when there's all these other techniques especially guy like King who's such a great wrestler I mean his his game his game is all about transitioning from striking to take down, take down the striking.

[2138] I mean, if a boxer wanted to fight him in MMA bout, he would kill him.

[2139] But he would have to really absorb the game of boxing to compete as a box.

[2140] Who do you think has the best chance to beat Kane?

[2141] Damn, that's a good question.

[2142] I don't know, man. Alistair?

[2143] No, he's been knocked out.

[2144] I think Travis Brown's coming up.

[2145] Yeah, I like Travis.

[2146] But he's got to get through Josh Barnett, though.

[2147] And that's it owned Josh Barnett.

[2148] Catch him with a submission or something.

[2149] That would be a guy that would eventually, you know.

[2150] You think Josh can take cane down?

[2151] Who knows?

[2152] Most likely no. What do you think?

[2153] I don't know, but I think he can keep good range and be able to wrestle and wrestle them off them, then maybe take him down.

[2154] Who knows what Josh Barnett's going to show up?

[2155] You know, this guy, you know, he's dealt with a lot of past stuff.

[2156] But I think when you get back into UFC, especially not this time, I think he might be rejuvenated.

[2157] You know, in this fight with Travis Brown is a huge fight.

[2158] Travis Brown is definitely a young talented dude on his way up.

[2159] He's hungry.

[2160] I know he's working hard.

[2161] So these two are really going to set the stand.

[2162] or who wants to take it to that next level and go up there and challenge Kane for that belt.

[2163] That's a great fucking fight, man. Especially coming off that Alster fight.

[2164] Let me tell you something, man. There's not a lot of heavyweights on the planet.

[2165] They would have withstood that beating that he took in that first round from Alster before he got up.

[2166] Those knees are insane, dude.

[2167] If I got a knee like that, bro, I'll just, give me a second.

[2168] His knees are so much harder than everybody else's.

[2169] He throws him so different unlike anybody.

[2170] He's like, one, two, you, and then just bombard you with this knee.

[2171] They're ruthless.

[2172] It's crazy.

[2173] And it's like getting hit over and over again with a battery ram.

[2174] But somehow or another, Travis Brown gutted through that shit, literally.

[2175] Got it through it.

[2176] He's amazing.

[2177] Yeah.

[2178] And he got up and front kicked him in the face in the same round.

[2179] I mean, crazy.

[2180] You know what, man?

[2181] If you get kicked in the face one time, you'd be like, okay, you got me. I'm still up, you know, if you're still conscious.

[2182] But he kicked him in the face like two, three times, and he was just leaning toward it.

[2183] You know, I was like, dude.

[2184] I think he had just shot his wife.

[2185] Oh, dude.

[2186] He just shot it everywhere, man. There was nothing left.

[2187] Dude, those front snap kicks, those snap kicks.

[2188] kicks to the chest and to the jaw.

[2189] No joke, man. You're seeing them a lot now.

[2190] You didn't see them two years ago.

[2191] Are you throwing those?

[2192] Are you throwing those fun snap kicks?

[2193] Honey Jason, this last fight tried to throw him at me and I was like, and I was like, hold up, you know, like, they're deceiving because like all of a sudden this guy, I normally look at the chest when I fight because I can tell where his hips are going to be.

[2194] I can see his base and I can see his feet and I can see where his hands are lined up.

[2195] So I know I want to keep like good range, but those those kicks, they're deceiving because you've got to raise them with like your knee, so it's like you're elbow going through first to hit like a baseball so the the elbow always lead just like the knee so the knee pops up you don't know if he's done like a like maybe a fake back knee but it happens so quick and it's it's quick it's like a baseball bat it's it's it's amazing that we've gone this long in the ufc and we just figured out this old basic ass karate is actually really useful we've been years where nobody practiced it nobody at that mama gym after mhm was that they're striking coach was telling their and uh students not to throw those.

[2196] Oh, those don't work.

[2197] Time after time.

[2198] It's an interesting thing where you see how much of a follow -the -leader thing is going on in M .MA because a guy like Anderson lands that front kick and knocks out Vitor.

[2199] And the whole sport changes.

[2200] Like, overnight, everyone's throwing front -knit.

[2201] Josh Thompson's throwing them like a motherfucker.

[2202] Anthony Pettis is throwing crazy kicks, throwing crazy knees.

[2203] Like, that that dude just comes up.

[2204] I think we know now that, oh, these crazy kicks do work.

[2205] You just got to have good bounce and good wrestling.

[2206] And you've got to make sure that if you get taken down, that you could pop right back up or you have good Jiu -Jitsu.

[2207] If that's all you had, the only reason they weren't working is because the only people that knew how to throw them didn't know how to fight on the ground.

[2208] So we went through a dark period where we have to take away.

[2209] These techniques are going to disappear for a while until the wrestling and the striking merge is won.

[2210] It's just so interesting to see these guys that are coming up that are throwing these games, throwing these techniques at people that you never saw.

[2211] Like Vitor, landing that wheel kick on Luke Rockhole.

[2212] Dudes are throwing wheel kicks all the time.

[2213] I'm like, it's like a jab, you know.

[2214] It's good to even throw, and I'm no striker, but in my opinion, it just seems that if you at least throw them, even though they're hard to land sometimes, but you throw them, it takes a guy off his game.

[2215] It's like, oh, this guy's wanting to throw these motherfuckers.

[2216] So it's kind of...

[2217] You see Jorge Mosvidal and Rustam Habilov?

[2218] I saw the fight, don't remember it.

[2219] Hobbylav, wheel kicked him in the neck, like out of nowhere.

[2220] And you knocked him out?

[2221] And you knocked him out?

[2222] And you knocked him, though.

[2223] Had him badly hurt.

[2224] Mosvedal can take it, man. But he caught him in the neck with a wheel kick.

[2225] Like, out of nowhere.

[2226] out of nowhere, like the dude's a straight grappler with some strikes.

[2227] That's what catches them is people willing to take the risk.

[2228] A lot of people have a lot of good arsenals like in their tools, but they're like in the fight, maybe they'll just stick to the basics.

[2229] They're not willing to risk it.

[2230] But those people that, when somebody throws something spinning at you, you almost like look at him like, all right, bro, this guy wants to risk everything.

[2231] Okay, I like that.

[2232] Like, let's get after it, you know.

[2233] So you're willing to throw down like, okay, this guy's willing to risk, trying to knock me out.

[2234] Now I've got to risk, you know, risk something.

[2235] But if you just sit back and let it happen and you're not really taking any risk, You're not really getting any reward either.

[2236] You know, one thing about, I want to say about GSP is, yes, I think he lost, and yes, it was a bad decision.

[2237] You just look at his face.

[2238] But I admired GSP for going forward, sticking to his game plan.

[2239] He was throwing down the whole time.

[2240] He was going forward.

[2241] He got rocked and he backed up a little bit.

[2242] But generally in that fight, he was throwing head kicks like a motherfucker.

[2243] He was throwing big right hands.

[2244] He was, he's a true warrior, man. He's a proud champion.

[2245] And it seemed like in the, it really seemed like after the.

[2246] first round, you know, where he started gassing.

[2247] He was breathing really heavy, but he kept going forward.

[2248] But he got hit hard, man. Yeah, he got hit hard.

[2249] I felt, I've kind of felt bad for him.

[2250] In the press conference, you know, there's no taking away GSP that he's not a gamer that he's willing to do what it takes.

[2251] And he almost seemed like, he's just like, man, you know, he doesn't really care.

[2252] He's just like, man, I just left it all out there for you guys.

[2253] Like, what do you want me to do?

[2254] You know, I'm not a judge.

[2255] I'm a fighter.

[2256] I went in there.

[2257] This dude who Johnny Hendricks just throw some serious bricks is hitting me in the freaking face.

[2258] Of course, you know, but he did fight through and he did finish the fight.

[2259] He didn't give up at any point.

[2260] Is that bother you, man?

[2261] There's a lot of insensitivity in how people view fights and fighters after fights happen.

[2262] I mean, I've seen guys come up to people and say rude shit to them.

[2263] Like, what happened, man?

[2264] Why did you get knocked out?

[2265] Like, I've seen guys say that.

[2266] And it's just like, Rashad Evans was talking about some dude who came up to him at an autograph signing and try to get him to autograph a picture of him.

[2267] You know that famous picture of him after Machita knocked him out?

[2268] Yeah.

[2269] The guy stuck in his face, like smile and laughing.

[2270] Hey, man, can you autograph this?

[2271] And, you know, Rashad crumpled it up and told him to get the fuck out of here.

[2272] Like, there's that, that rudeness and not respecting the fact that this guy...

[2273] They think that just because he gets paid for it, he should be able to deal with your douchebaggery.

[2274] Yeah, yeah.

[2275] Hey, man, he's the public eye.

[2276] He's in a public eye.

[2277] This is claseless attitude, man. That's just horrible.

[2278] Well, sports fans are used to...

[2279] to talking shit about athletes they've always done it with baseball players they've always done it with football players you know I mean that's a big part of a basketball games people behind this the basket talking shit to the player while he's shooting a three pointer you know talking shit while he's on the free throw line giving them those fucking things like blocking him in front of his face I think that's funny it is kind of funny but there's a difference in that little devil like right here just on your story I think they need to understand and appreciate the the difference which the loss in that sport.

[2280] That's a shitty feeling to lose a basketball game and a loss in an MMA fight, which is a life -changing proposition.

[2281] Now you're in a completely different categories as far as your expectations for your future.

[2282] You have to rebuild, you have to regroup.

[2283] You have to really think, like, the other day when I actually was in the Float Lab, and actually, by the way, I got some shirts for him in the car from the flow lab.

[2284] How did you like that?

[2285] That was amazing.

[2286] You're talking about, like, this journey that people deal with, like, people use a lot of meditation, and I thought that float lab, just like, I just redid up my finances.

[2287] I just redid my whole entire life.

[2288] Then I just went on this freaking trip where I was just, I felt like something was pulling me out of things.

[2289] And I was like, I was just dealing with so much out of there, you know, like mentally.

[2290] And I just think that some people, you know, like when you get setbacks like that, some people dig deep and come through some, like some groundbreaking news, like in their, in their mind where they'll change.

[2291] But then some people just stick to that pattern and end up falling off, you know?

[2292] Yeah, well, there's, you know, the, reality of self -examination is that you don't always like what you see.

[2293] And you can either change it or you can just ignore it because it's too much work and you get tired or you get into that sort of deflecting mindset.

[2294] Defeatous.

[2295] Yeah.

[2296] Defeatist attitude.

[2297] And a lot of alcoholics get that.

[2298] They just keep getting back on the wagon or they keep getting back drinking.

[2299] They can't help it.

[2300] That happens all the time.

[2301] They just can't.

[2302] They're not strong enough to pull through.

[2303] Too much work.

[2304] It's hard.

[2305] You know, and the thing is it's 80 % mental and 20 % physical.

[2306] I really think that you have to have your mindset to the top peak if you're going to compete and do stuff like that because if you're going in there with like a you know maybe something ain't going on right at home or you know just anything maybe the family members die maybe just something ain't going right and you go into a fight you know that that wears and tears on you like mentally and it's mentally taxing what's been the toughest fight for you to go into because you've gone into fights with like legal issues hanging over your head you've gone into fights with a lot of bullshit going on in the background that would probably been what the eves Edwards fight which is where I got clipped And I was, like I told you before, I was like, man, I feel like a young, like a young specimen.

[2307] You know, I can take anything, whatever.

[2308] And, you know, in the gym, I was actually working on my athleticism.

[2309] I was feeling a lot more better.

[2310] I was a lot lighter on my feet.

[2311] And then when I went to that fight all stressed out, I felt like the old me. I was just all shrugged up.

[2312] I was tight.

[2313] I was just going for it.

[2314] And there was just really no excuses.

[2315] That's my style of fighting is I'm willing to risk it to get a, you know, I want to make bank, bro.

[2316] You know, and I was going into that fight, just not a clear head.

[2317] I didn't have my head on my shoulders, and I was just gunning for it.

[2318] You know, I needed the money.

[2319] Like, I just felt like I just got robbed of so much.

[2320] I got robbed of my freedom.

[2321] I got robbed them, like, my kids putting food on the table for my kids.

[2322] I was like, man, this isn't right.

[2323] What happened with you?

[2324] You had some sort of a legal situation where somebody accused you of assault, and then it was...

[2325] Yeah, someone accused me of basically just assaulting them and beating them, like, real bad, I guess, like, the person had, like, stopped breathing.

[2326] Was it a missing identity, or a mistaken identity case?

[2327] No, it was just a classic fact that I threw an after -party at, like, a smaller bar.

[2328] And to be honest, I didn't even see a fight break out, and a fight had broken out, and it carried on outside.

[2329] And there was a miscommunication with people.

[2330] I guess, like, the bar owner was trying to kick this drunk guy out who, from what I know, he was at the bar.

[2331] He got kicked away from the bar, and he's like, give me my credit card, and he's just being disrespectful, groping on women.

[2332] You know, just being obnoxious, drunk, you know, a guy needed to go home and just take a chill pill.

[2333] Well, keep in mind, this guy's, like, in the Army, you know, he's like somebody you'd think that you'd look up to or have some type of respect.

[2334] And he just gets drunk, basically.

[2335] The bartender kicks him out.

[2336] And then he ends up, like, kicking the owner in the nuts for trying to get him out.

[2337] Well, he punched some dude, actually.

[2338] And the dude had hit him back in, like, self -defense.

[2339] Then he'd kick the owner in the nuts, gets thrown out.

[2340] They're like, hey, man, this is like a private party.

[2341] You got to leave.

[2342] He starts getting into it with another guy.

[2343] And then that's when it happened to be my after party from.

[2344] from a fight that I had and that's where my name had got brought up and I was actually I actually called down to the police station the the next day was like hey you know I heard you guys were looking for me like what's going on you know and my my management team was there he actually seen the fight and he he knew he knew a lot a lot about what was going on so we were just like being proactive so you didn't have anything to do with it at all no nothing at all I didn't even see if I'd even break out or so was it the fact that the dude got knocked the fuck out and he thought you did he got I guess he got beat bad and like then people were like mentioning like my name it was my my party and the guy who actually did it turned himself in to the police oh what a trip so then i ended up getting in trouble like uh almost a year later for for something i completely didn't do and i was actually in Des Moines and was calling down to see if i needed to be questioned they're like oh no there's there's nothing to be questioned here so it was just something that you were on the hook for for a while that you had nothing to do with nothing to do with it it costs you a shitload of money and legal fees and just a lot of just mental stuff and now that I look back at it it's crazy I'm a lot stronger of a person from it you know I really watch who I'm hanging out with now I don't go out you know I mean I have kids you know there's a time to well you have a serious fucking career now too man I mean you're highly ranked that honey Jason knockout was a big wake -up call for a lot of people at 145 pounds thanks man you've had two fights there now yeah I'm I just credit to my coaches man my team my family you know and thanks for like UFC and like Dana White for really believe in believe in me and I was just like had nothing to do with this, dude.

[2345] You know, like I, and I just got robbed this so much.

[2346] But that didn't define me as a person, the person that I was becoming in the gym.

[2347] And, you know, it's just going to show.

[2348] Now's the right time.

[2349] I think everything's really connected in my career, thanks to my coaches and everybody who's supporting me. I think right now I'm really starting to grow.

[2350] Because, you know, when I first seen you, I was just turned 21 in the UFC, and I really kind of grew up inside the UFC and fought guys that I probably shouldn't have been fighting that or didn't really have a chance, and I'd go out and I'd win.

[2351] You know, so I had a young career.

[2352] You know, when I was 22 years old, I had like $100 ,000 in my bank account.

[2353] I didn't even know what to do with it.

[2354] I was just enjoying myself.

[2355] Well, you did the smart thing, man. You realized that you had potential and you went down to a serious gym.

[2356] You know, Alliance in San Diego, without a doubt, is one of the best gyms in the country.

[2357] Yeah.

[2358] Excellent move.

[2359] The perfect thing for you to do.

[2360] And look, it's a beautiful thing to see, right?

[2361] Hard work and reaping the rewards of that.

[2362] Eric Delferro, man. He's the man, dude.

[2363] He's almost like a sports psychologist.

[2364] He just really knows how to click with me, knows what to say, how to work with me. And I was looking for that for, like, the longest.

[2365] time when I was traveling.

[2366] I went to Florida with Hermes and had some run -ins with some bad management and like I was just getting screwed over there.

[2367] So just didn't really have the right people around me at the time and I was just searching for somebody just to grab a hold of me and just mold me into something.

[2368] I knew I had all the skills and talent.

[2369] I just needed that type of coach.

[2370] I think I really found that with Coach Eric Del Farrow, man, that guy, he's creating a monster and I love where he's going.

[2371] What's next for you now?

[2372] Who you fight next?

[2373] Because I know there was going to be a quick turnaround because your fight was quick.

[2374] Yeah, a fight was quick.

[2375] I'm healthy.

[2376] It was a personal goal of mine to get in there, get after it, get a huge win.

[2377] And I'd set some goals for myself.

[2378] You know, I see them every day.

[2379] They're hung up on my door.

[2380] And this is one of my goals.

[2381] I'm going back close to my hometown, which is Chicago, January 25th.

[2382] I think Josh Thompson, Benson, Benson's on that card.

[2383] And my hometown's just right next door, and this is a real huge fight for me. Who are you fighting?

[2384] Oh, I'm fighting Darren Elkins.

[2385] That's a good fight.

[2386] Yeah, yeah.

[2387] He's a tough wrestler.

[2388] He's from the Midwest guy.

[2389] And I really just think that I have all the skills to beat him.

[2390] I'm just going to keep this ball steam rolling.

[2391] Nice.

[2392] You think he's going to try to take you down?

[2393] Yeah, I think so.

[2394] Elkins is tough as fuck, dude.

[2395] He bangs with everybody.

[2396] He does bang, but he also, he's very smart.

[2397] He utilizes his wrestling.

[2398] He has.

[2399] He's got a good ground and pound.

[2400] He's lengthy.

[2401] He knows how to use his range.

[2402] But I see a few holes in his game, man. It's going to be a great fight.

[2403] It's going to be a fun fight, and I think he'll bring out a lot of viciousness in me by his attacks.

[2404] Yeah, I think that's going to be an awesome fucking fight.

[2405] That card is sick.

[2406] I love that Benson Henderson, Josh Thompson fight.

[2407] I like the fact that Josh Thompson, even though he's in line for a title, you know, the champ gets hurt.

[2408] He's like, who else you got?

[2409] I like that about fighters, man. I don't believe in waiting around, man. Just go ahead and just prove.

[2410] Kenny Florian, I actually, somebody I actually looked up to a long time ago.

[2411] He was just beating these guys and were like, man, Florian, what's next to title shot?

[2412] And he's like, no what, man, he's like, I just tell you what.

[2413] He's like, just bring me whoever.

[2414] He's like, I'll beat anybody from top to bottom just to prove that I deserve this title shot.

[2415] And he's like, I just want everybody to know that.

[2416] And I was just like, what a beast, you know?

[2417] Yeah, I love the fact that Thompson is coming into his own.

[2418] at you know after a long history of being in the fight game but he's as good as he's ever been that fight against Nate Diaz was fantastic and his fights in strike force with Gilbert were fantastic before then he's really improved as yeah he always been an athlete you know he even back when they cut the UFC he was fighting eaves you know he ended up getting a vicious kick you know he's throwing a back fist and it's getting caught but he's had a long good successful career and he's very athlete very skilled and he's like really coming into his prime right now yeah he's been around for a long time man he's like true vet yeah true vet but a real smart skilled skilled smart he does a lot of sneaky shit those trips that he hit trickery yeah those trips that he hit gilber with i love those he grabs your neck and trips you and shit he does a lot of weird shit and then he'll strike he'll he'll do like a he'll do like a takedown and right away he'll pop up just to strike and throw elbows at you it's uh he's really interesting to watch he's he's a fun guy to watch he's real he's real active at 55 yeah he's uh he's uh there's such a good fucking weight class, man. Fifty -five is so crazy.

[2419] There's so many good, fucking talent -filled weight classes now.

[2420] Forty -five stacked, 35 stacked.

[2421] I was impressed.

[2422] You know, it's like, Josh Thompson, Rashad Evans, all these guys, they're, like, he went right through Chale, man. That was a different.

[2423] That was a different, that was a different, that was a different level.

[2424] We got to wrap this up, unfortunately.

[2425] We're almost out of time.

[2426] At three hours, we run out of gas.

[2427] Okay.

[2428] We turn into a pumpkin.

[2429] You stream can't handle a recording.

[2430] It's more than three hours long for whatever reason.

[2431] My point is, real quick, Robbie Lawler.

[2432] Oh, yeah.

[2433] Another one.

[2434] That's another good example.

[2435] All of a sudden, he's, he looks vicious, man. He's throwing kicks now.

[2436] Like, holy shit.

[2437] He's coming into his own.

[2438] He's a monster.

[2439] Just sticking it out.

[2440] They just keep sticking out.

[2441] Keep grinding.

[2442] It takes years to get your striking together.

[2443] It takes years, and a lot of fighters quit before their striking gets up.

[2444] Well, it's also just focus and maturity and really putting in the work.

[2445] They grew up inside the octagon.

[2446] Him and even Diaz.

[2447] Diaz was like, what, 18?

[2448] 18 when he fought Lawler and them guys?

[2449] And Roy McDonnell.

[2450] Roy McDonald's, end of the fight on top elbowing, Robbie.

[2451] So props to Roy McDonald's too.

[2452] Holy shit.

[2453] It was a great fight.

[2454] All right, Jeremy Stevens, we've got to do this again.

[2455] Yeah, thank you guys for having here, man. I really appreciate it.

[2456] Next time you're in L .A., man, let's do it again.

[2457] It's a lot of fun.

[2458] Let me go get this win, man. I'm like nine and a half weeks out from a camp right now, so I'm going to go back.

[2459] And then I'm just going to enjoy myself, man. It's going to be fun.

[2460] Congratulations on all your success, man. You've been really doing great.

[2461] It's beautiful to watch you improve.

[2462] It's awesome to watch your hard work pay off.

[2463] Appreciate it, man. It's pleasure sitting here next to you guys.

[2464] honor.

[2465] All right.

[2466] Thanks to Eddie Bravo as well.

[2467] Go to 10th planetjjay .com and learn some jujitsu sun.

[2468] 10th planet headquarters at the tapout gym in Los Angeles.

[2469] The master, Eddie Bravo, teaches there himself on a nightly basis, you dirty bitches.

[2470] Yeah, I'm going to 10th planet San Francisco this Saturday.

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[2472] And it's Eddie Bravo on Twitter and Jeremy Stevens is Lil Heathen, L -I -L -Hithin.

[2473] That's his nickname.

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