147 - Live in Austin

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only murders in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] What's up, Austin?

[17] Holy shit.

[18] The place is fucking huge.

[19] Wow.

[20] Guys, this is our last show of the 2018 Ball Tour.

[21] Amazing.

[22] I did a real gross dance about it backstage.

[23] Yeah.

[24] Do it, Georgia.

[25] Let them see your backstage.

[26] It was a little more crude, but this is the stage.

[27] She was in plain Spanx.

[28] That's right.

[29] How did you like that?

[30] I came out of the...

[31] It was fun.

[32] I came in...

[33] Spank.

[34] Right in my peripheral vision, I thought there was an old lady But it was Georgia, and she'd pulled her bicycle spanks up to the bottom of her bra Kind of, they're a nude flesh tone Wait, wait, wait, no, my spanks go up to the bottom of my bra That wasn't special for you Truly, listen Yes I didn't realize they'd do that because I wear a scuba suit under all my dresses, so I just figure.

[35] I thought you were doing bikini spanks.

[36] No. That's how I look underneath this.

[37] It looked really good.

[38] Thank you.

[39] Your spanks pulled up to the bottom of your bra, and then she was just going like this behind me. And there was no reaction at first, and she kind of looked me up and down, and then laughed.

[40] Because when I don't wear my glasses, I can see to about here, and then everything else is a funny blur that people are doing for me. just a nice presentation meanwhile poor Vince is behind us on the couch just ignoring us ignoring just trying to get things taken care of doing an actual job as we're like Robin listening to some Robin back there that's right what a gorgeous rug oh truly just in the fall shades of mall Atumnal.

[41] Atumnal.

[42] Atumnal.

[43] That's my least favorite word, and it's the word I say the most.

[44] Which is?

[45] Autumnal.

[46] Oh, yeah.

[47] Because it's just so dumb, I can't stop saying it.

[48] You know that thing?

[49] Atumnal.

[50] Because you just, you hate it so much that you have to keep saying.

[51] Yeah, like I say it as a joke, but then I just, that's all I say.

[52] I think I might do that with Moist.

[53] It's such a, it's such a terrible word.

[54] It puts all these ideas into your head.

[55] What?

[56] Unwanted thoughts.

[57] No. Do?

[58] It's so moist in this autumnal air.

[59] No, it's not.

[60] It's autumnal air.

[61] It's inaccurate.

[62] I can't stand how inaccurate your weather forecast is.

[63] What are we talking about?

[64] This one's going to go off the fucking rails.

[65] Let me just tell you this right now.

[66] I'm sorry.

[67] I have to pre -apologize.

[68] When we hit the stage last night, which was super fun, it was in Atlanta.

[69] It was as if we'd never done a show before.

[70] We're just staring at each other like, what, aren't you going to say anything?

[71] Right before we walked on stage, I was like, what are we going to talk about?

[72] And then, I don't know, we have stories.

[73] I was like, okay, great, I'm like, Karen, take care of it.

[74] So I was just like, go ahead.

[75] I don't know.

[76] And I was like, oh, let's see, I did drugs one time, I got drunk one time.

[77] I was a rebellious child.

[78] What about?

[79] Oh, I did something in my hotel room today that I've never done in a hotel room before.

[80] That's fucking here all about.

[81] Hi.

[82] I fucking, like maybe, and of course it's the last show of 2018 that I do this.

[83] Can I guess?

[84] You masturbated on a pillow?

[85] Every time I go into a hotel room, which is now constantly, they always have a decorative pillow.

[86] And then in my mind I just flashed through like 30 dudes that have jerked off onto it.

[87] No!

[88] Simply because they can.

[89] What?

[90] Face it!

[91] This is reality.

[92] and then she licks the remote control and she's ready to go you take things and you put them in the corner and then you like fold things down and you start the wiping of surfaces oh god sorry did I ruin your game I'm sorry no it was just yoga but now it feels stupid I'm so sorry I fucking bit your yoga story right in half it wasn't a great story shit and then I masturbated Okay, so that's all we want to know.

[93] Women aggressively masturbating around hotel rooms.

[94] As a form of revenge.

[95] Yeah.

[96] Yeah.

[97] I had to say, and maybe this is why I came up with that so quickly, I recently...

[98] Uh -oh.

[99] No, no, no. This is going to get weird.

[100] Yeah, let's stop recording now.

[101] This is going to be a private performance.

[102] This is a private conversation.

[103] Yeah.

[104] This is between you and us and no one else.

[105] Yeah.

[106] It stays in this huge room.

[107] In this 17 -level Star Wars -style auditorium.

[108] My dad, I sent my dad a video of we came out onto the stage beforehand, and we're like, oh, shit.

[109] How is this happening?

[110] And I took a quick video for my dad, and I sent it, and in two hours I'm going to get a text that says, how many seats?

[111] Because that's all he cares about.

[112] It's like he's boiled this whole thing down to stats, and he just wants to know how many seats are in every house that we're filling.

[113] Is it better than the night before?

[114] Is it worse?

[115] Are we winning or losing?

[116] Do I still love you or not?

[117] Let me know.

[118] He's like, I need to figure out what to get you for Christmas, how many seats were in that theater last night.

[119] Just get me the two Starbucks gift cards, Dad.

[120] You're still killing it.

[121] Why two Starbucks gift cards?

[122] I didn't tell you that story.

[123] Maybe.

[124] In the saddest time when, like, my dad, my mom was sick and my dad had to take over all the mom duties and was not prepared and couldn't do it.

[125] We had a Christmas where my sister got a ton of great shit.

[126] And, of course, my niece, Nora, got everything she could have wanted.

[127] And I got two Starbucks gift cards.

[128] They were each for $50.

[129] So I get $100 at Starbucks.

[130] No one needs that.

[131] That's like two years.

[132] And then 15 at Sephora.

[133] I was just like, fuck off.

[134] This won't get me in the door at Sephora, friend.

[135] I'm middle -aged.

[136] Nothing worth $15 is worth anything to my face at Sephora.

[137] And I was like, thanks, Dad.

[138] All the things I wanted.

[139] My dad once got me. My parents are really bad at gift -giving.

[140] My dad once got me, and he wrapped it like a port or a trash.

[141] What's it called when you can throw things away after they're done?

[142] Recycling bin?

[143] No. the garbage essentially like an under the sink reusable oh trash compactor no shit fire extinguisher it was like a can that you can just use once and throw it away oh yeah like a I mean I don't know what that is I don't either I don't know what that is either we should call my dad and ask him it's a one -off fire extinguisher that's how much anxiety happens in my family and it was like definitely a made for TV product kind of a thing.

[144] And then my mom one's got me a flashlight that you plug in in case of emergencies.

[145] We just have anxiety.

[146] They should just pay for my therapy instead of buying me fucking presents.

[147] Yeah.

[148] How about we get out of the emergency realm of gift giving and into the gift part where things you want when things aren't on fire or burning down when there's not an earthquake.

[149] Right.

[150] Exactly.

[151] That's exactly right.

[152] That's exactly right.

[153] it's okay Steven's not here oh yeah sorry Steven we can't bring him his writer is too demanding you wouldn't believe he demands to get eight cats in every city that we go to and they have to be different cats too of like varying ages and cuteness and their names have to all be kind of adorable and they have to have hashtags yeah they have their own social media accounts pre -set up yeah so I do that He just takes care of my cats.

[154] It's insane.

[155] And then just clogs my story feed on my Instagram with the most insane shit that I love.

[156] Cat content?

[157] Lots of my cats and dinosaur unboxing videos.

[158] Do you know he does that?

[159] What?

[160] Dinosaur unboxing videos.

[161] You're being serious?

[162] I swear to God.

[163] Oh, I thought you threw three hilarious nouns for Stephen together.

[164] I'm not kidding.

[165] No, I watched in my living, in my own living room.

[166] As he opened a toy from, like, a Jurassic Park thing.

[167] That's cute.

[168] But...

[169] Well, now my living room has the memory of being unboxed in Jurassic Park.

[170] Unboxed against its will.

[171] Like, so many hotel rooms.

[172] Listen, this is my favorite murder.

[173] We're a true crime comedy podcast.

[174] And this is Georgia Hard Start.

[175] Oh, thank you.

[176] This is our last tour of 2018, so.

[177] fucking nothing matter.

[178] So call you, girl, spake's up to the top.

[179] Your spank's up.

[180] Pull, pull, pull, your spank's up.

[181] You know?

[182] Hey, what are you, besides full -body spanks, what are you wearing?

[183] Oh, thanks for asking.

[184] That's interpretive.

[185] It's a little bit, there is a coming on to drugs feel right now.

[186] I feel.

[187] But I assure you, the police in Austin that I'm not on drugs.

[188] I just have a dress with pockets in it.

[189] That's like, thank you.

[190] Oh, you're getting good at that.

[191] I just did this.

[192] Oh, no. And then they're going to yell.

[193] It's asshole time.

[194] I finally gave up wearing, I wore black clog boots for two years of touring because my sister hated them so much, and I thought it was hilarious.

[195] Even though she was at like two of the 15 shows we did.

[196] Yeah, and she, but everyone's small, she'll, she'll like sneak on Instagram.

[197] and look and then she'd be like, the dress was cute, but fuck those boots!

[198] And then that alone would just warm my heart.

[199] I could go right to sleep.

[200] But then I got these and they're better, so I had to let that go.

[201] You're growing.

[202] You're growing and changing.

[203] I'm trying to grow and I'm trying to change.

[204] I love it.

[205] Thank you.

[206] What about your outfit, Georgia?

[207] I have a thing on, it's black.

[208] There's my wedding shoes.

[209] Thanks.

[210] I've decided that next to her I'm not wearing black dresses anymore.

[211] I it'll be fine I promise also it's not a discussion there's like six different women we're like sorry so hold on then what does that mean do you guys give refunds I already got my tickets I just you have to understand my closet I love clothes it's this much fucking couch material grandma dresses vintage sum of like crazy old salty women who in the past I've bought these from and then there's this little section of like show dresses of these sad black dresses that I found.

[212] And I'm like, I guess this will do.

[213] I bought so many just to be like, maybe, because it's not my thing.

[214] I'm not a goth.

[215] But you know what's hilarious.

[216] Listen, she finally admitted it.

[217] She's not a goth.

[218] I'm a raver.

[219] What I love is that I'm a raper.

[220] Well, then the next tour is all raved clothes.

[221] Er, er, er, er, er, air, air.

[222] Finally.

[223] Humongous jeans.

[224] We just taught, we meaning me, just taught Karen the term speaker -tweaker that she loves, that you ravers will know as someone who fucking gets up on the speaker and is on so many drugs that it just feels great to your ears and your body.

[225] Yeah, exactly.

[226] Careful.

[227] So Karen's now a speaker -tweaker.

[228] I'm a natural speaker -tweaker.

[229] Oh, but what I was going to say is it's funny because we are the ones that made up the rule that we have to wear a black dress.

[230] We made it up.

[231] And then George is like, look, I can't do it anymore.

[232] And then I'm like, no, you fucking have to.

[233] This is all made up.

[234] And I didn't decide till the one weekend where you wore a print dress.

[235] And I was like, we can do that?

[236] Well, I'm going to do it then, too.

[237] No, no more.

[238] No more.

[239] We won't be slaves to ourselves.

[240] I don't know.

[241] Our own dumb ideas.

[242] It's worked so far.

[243] She's the town?

[244] I guess so.

[245] Yeah.

[246] Oh, look at these.

[247] Are these, our friends from, these are nice.

[248] Andy Cohen.

[249] Andy Cohen's.

[250] I bet they are.

[251] Did you hear that story?

[252] Do we know, we, so Andy Cohen and Anderson Cooper.

[253] Thank you.

[254] They tour and we're like, I guess we're like following behind them on their tour because they like refuse to sit in plead chairs.

[255] So they send these like fucking nice chairs to every city, but they're to it.

[256] It doesn't make fiscal sense for them to send them on.

[257] They just leave them there.

[258] And so we keep getting these really nice Andy Cohen and Anderson Cooper.

[259] Oh.

[260] Shit.

[261] With full up and down action.

[262] What we're all looking for.

[263] Are you going to stay down there?

[264] Yeah, come on down.

[265] It's a real relief.

[266] I don't really want to.

[267] Other side, thank you.

[268] Oh, yeah.

[269] Do you want to go back up?

[270] Okay.

[271] This is a half an hour of the show.

[272] It's going to be nice.

[273] So, if you needed to go to the bathroom or leave, you know.

[274] There is adjusting that you have to do.

[275] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[276] Yeah, yeah.

[277] Just really hurt my back.

[278] That yoga was pointless that I did earlier.

[279] What type of yoga did you do hot?

[280] Well, the heater was on.

[281] So I just did a video, which I fucking never do.

[282] Okay.

[283] Truly, my phone was like, are you sure?

[284] You were trying to.

[285] I think you touched the wrong button.

[286] Yeah, yeah.

[287] You were trying to watch videos of your cats.

[288] Are you sure you want to yoga?

[289] But I did it.

[290] I did it.

[291] Was it a lady?

[292] It was like a 20 -minute stretch flow situation.

[293] I can show you right now.

[294] Do it.

[295] Oh, my God.

[296] That's the best content for a podcast.

[297] And this woman, she was so positive.

[298] This woman was so positive.

[299] Bless her heart.

[300] She was playing, you know, positive.

[301] The sit -har?

[302] Yeah.

[303] I think at one point in my head I went oh fuck off but then I was like don't do that Georgia that's not positive don't resist the positivity and the sitar I like to do yoga the privacy of my own home because I just pretend that I'm not myself oh so like I sit down I'm like this is going to be great with like a really open face and attitude which normally then there's the real me sitting like two behind me that's like what the fuck is this get off the ground Why is her face so open?

[304] Turn the TV back on now.

[305] We haven't watched all the British procedural.

[306] There's got to be one left.

[307] Stop improving yourself immediately.

[308] But I was going to tell you, I just started doing a thing where it's a journey through the seven chakras.

[309] No. I swear to God.

[310] I have opened my root fucking chakra.

[311] Which one's that?

[312] It's the fucking bottom.

[313] Oh.

[314] open your butt like a fucking baboon you wouldn't believe what's happening down there oh man I think you should close that I'm going to now that we talk it through I have to shut it some portal of hell shit that's anything could get in there yeah you don't want to we're always traveling our immune systems are probably fucked out I would I would avoid opening any shut it down chakras uh huh permanently And then just kind of cement over my third eye and forget about it.

[315] Don't go in there.

[316] Don't go inside.

[317] It's not safe.

[318] No, I'm really happy for you.

[319] I'm trying to be supportive.

[320] I'm trying to be supportive.

[321] It's okay.

[322] I'm happy for you.

[323] Thanks.

[324] You can't say I'm happy for you, but not move your mouth.

[325] And then I'm supposed to believe it.

[326] Shit.

[327] Fuck.

[328] I always do that.

[329] I'm a bad liar.

[330] Whenever I'm lying, I just don't know what I'm out.

[331] I'm happy for you.

[332] Oh, I'm happy with you.

[333] Congratulations on your yoga journey.

[334] Um, yeah, we're getting super spiritual, so you can hurt it here first.

[335] The next season of tours is just going to be a one large yoga class.

[336] We're going to, it's just going to chakras, are going to it's just going to smell real bad.

[337] It's going to smell.

[338] It is so money, so much unwashed Lulu lemon.

[339] Yeah.

[340] We're going to happen upon that eighth chakra.

[341] What?

[342] It must be like, oh.

[343] Whoa.

[344] We didn't even know.

[345] The B .O. Chakra.

[346] You go first?

[347] I go first.

[348] Oh, yeah.

[349] We forgot to make this announcement last night.

[350] That's how off -cilt or we are.

[351] Could have gone real bad.

[352] We understand there's people here who have never listened to our podcast before, and they are confused and probably a little bit angry right now.

[353] This is a true crime comedy podcast.

[354] That's right.

[355] What does that mean, Karen?

[356] Well, it can be a very complex combination of topics and feelings.

[357] because we were talking about the worst things that could happen to people in the world while simultaneously and kind of parallel to that we are making each other laugh about things stupid shit mostly we don't think that murder is funny we don't think that people being killed is funny we just think that we're funny well I mean that's my first step positivity and so sometimes that can be a difficult combination there's people that get offended by that or they don't know us enough to trust us to do it um they they tense up they rejected or whatever so we just want to say now to those people you can get the fuck out because we don't need to yeah that was my root shock shocker to that came from my bottom of my soul Karen you know I'm all about vintage shopping absolutely and And when you say vintage, you mean when you physically drive to a store and actually purchase something with cash?

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[375] Goodbye.

[376] Hey, this is exciting.

[377] An all new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[378] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster detectives.

[379] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[380] Who killed Saz?

[381] And were they really after Charles?

[382] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[383] This season, murder hits close to home.

[384] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[385] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major.

[386] movie.

[387] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[388] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[389] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[390] Only Martyrs in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[391] Goodbye.

[392] Okay, you're first.

[393] I'm first tonight.

[394] It looks long because I made it a 16 font because I think I might be going blind I can't fucking see anything anymore.

[395] Oh no!

[396] How is that going to...

[397] My Spanx jokes aren't going to land.

[398] I'm just going to have to go with you and just agree with whatever you tell me you're showing me. I am so funny right now.

[399] Trust me. So tonight, I'm going to do the story of Robert Elmer Class Kleason, the real Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

[400] There's a real one?

[401] Now, as we all know, as fans and lovers of true crime, they like to do that.

[402] They like to compare things to other things and be like, this is the real.

[403] This is the original one.

[404] This is the original.

[405] But you will find, as you hear the story, that it's just kind of a couple of items that combine the story and in fact Toby Hooper did not base his film on this because this actually happened three months after Texas Chainsaw Masco was released Come on and yet the names suck yeah it's you know what it is I got it from a British series called Real Stories and they'll fucking say anything about this country they're so mad that we became independent so oh yeah this movie let's just start in the fun part.

[406] This movie there's an article from 2004 that was written by a guy named John Bloom for the Texas Monthly magazine which I personally love.

[407] We get a lot of good research from Texas Monthly.

[408] It's real good magazine.

[409] So John Bloom, you know, it was 14 years ago but he wrote this amazing article basically about how Texas Chainsaw Massacre got made.

[410] And I'll read the first sentence of that article.

[411] It's, in 1973, a rag -tag group of Texans scrounged up $60 ,000 and created a film so violent and visionary that it shocked the world.

[412] And it was filmed right in and around Austin, Texas.

[413] And it is not just probably the most legendary horror film of all time.

[414] It's the most financially successful film in the history of Texas.

[415] Did you know that about your you're you're this is come on cheer for your fucking home team when you spend next when you spend 60 grand on a fucking movie yeah when a rag tag group of people get together 60 grand scrounge together some old Texan hippies come together and fucking literally torture actors so it looks like they're being tortured okay okay so Toby Hooper's inspiration for this movie, of course, was Ed Gein, and it was also Dean Coral and Dean Coral's accomplices who procured people for him, and all that fucked up shit.

[416] So there's plenty of inspiration.

[417] He didn't need to go anywhere else.

[418] But just to connect the two, I guess we have to stop talking about this now.

[419] Three months after the movie premiered, another psycho took up residence in Austin, Texas.

[420] He didn't wear a mask.

[421] made of human skin no of an actual human face actually oh there's a super fucked up story that Toby Hooper tells that a doctor who is a resident that he knew he got the idea for leather face because a doctor told him a story about when he was a resident and in the coroner's office or whatever he cut the face off of someone on a Halloween and wore it as a mask No!

[422] Did he get fired?

[423] I'm sorry to say no he's the Surgeon General of America right now he was Trump's top pick for Surgeon General Sounds about right So we're back into my really dramatic intro So no this man was not wearing a human face over his own face He was a quiet, unassuming church -going man They always are and his name was Robert Elmer Cleason.

[424] Okay, so he's born on September 20th, 1934 in Buffalo, New York.

[425] To...

[426] Interesting.

[427] To a mentally ill father and a homemaker mom.

[428] And he's an only child, and his father...

[429] No. Enough.

[430] Oh, they never get to do that.

[431] Let him do it.

[432] It wasn't just one.

[433] person who like seven only children just cheered for themselves they've been waiting they're all here alone tonight they never learn how to make connections no that was that they're here to connect playing little video games by themselves and like I don't want ketchup on it why's their ketchup on it because other people exist okay they never cheered again Turns out that was our clutch, our clutch group.

[434] Yeah.

[435] His father, who's a paranoid schizophrenic, loves guns.

[436] And so then he raises his only child who also love guns.

[437] What could go wrong?

[438] Magical.

[439] In 1950, when he is 16 years old, he jumps on a nail.

[440] It's an accident.

[441] Why?

[442] So, accidentally.

[443] Okay.

[444] So I should have put that in there.

[445] And his mom takes him to the emergency room.

[446] But after a while, they're made to wait because it's an emergency room.

[447] There's bigger emergencies, turns out.

[448] So he gets impatient.

[449] He punches his mom, walks out to the car, grabs a gun, and comes in shooting into the emergency room.

[450] What the fuck?

[451] Yes, this is in Buffalo.

[452] So luckily no one was hurt, and luckily they sent him to a psychiatric hospital for.

[453] But just for two years, you know, to kind of rinse it out.

[454] Just a quick visit.

[455] I'm sure it was a very tender place full of carrying normal things that people got ice baths.

[456] Yeah, 70s mental hospitals.

[457] Not ideal?

[458] So he gets out, he exhibits, he continues to exhibit strange behavior.

[459] It turns out eventually he is also diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic, just like his dad.

[460] In 1971, at the age of three, 37, he earns his sociology degree.

[461] Oh, good.

[462] Okay.

[463] Listen, as someone who's never earned shit, congratulations.

[464] Whatever year you do it, God bless America.

[465] Do it.

[466] Fair, that's a fair.

[467] Right?

[468] Look, it took him 28 years.

[469] That doesn't matter.

[470] He's still a sociologist.

[471] Okay.

[472] So he celebrates that by getting into an argument with a guy and shooting him the foot.

[473] Celebrate.

[474] Good time.

[475] Come on.

[476] Come on.

[477] So Rob, Bob gets arrested, but he jumps bail, and he decides, it's time for me to go to Austin, Texas.

[478] Yeah.

[479] So he shows up and immediately starts hanging out at the taxidermy shop in Austin, coincidentally named Austin Taxidermy.

[480] You might.

[481] What a weird coincidence.

[482] So he's very interested in taxidermy.

[483] I think I have this picture.

[484] He's a big hunter, obviously.

[485] He likes to hunt, and he likes to kill huge animals and hang them on walls.

[486] He likes a pose near them, too.

[487] He puts them up as high as he can so that he has to stretch to touch them.

[488] Oh, you know.

[489] And that makes him feel like a giraffe.

[490] Yay, I'm an animal, too.

[491] Oh, my God.

[492] When I first saw this picture, I thought that over there was a towel rack, and I'm like, is this this motherfucker's bathroom?

[493] I was so excited.

[494] Oh, my God.

[495] Can you imagine?

[496] You know where this will look great.

[497] In my vaulted ceiling bathroom.

[498] In my bathroom.

[499] With the ducks.

[500] Oh, you may. All of those animals are just like, run!

[501] Yeah.

[502] Okay.

[503] So he starts hanging out at Austin Taxidermy.

[504] he's a, first he's a, I was going to say a patient.

[505] He's a customer, sorry, he's a customer, but then he starts to hang out there and he asked the owner if he would teach him how to become a taxidermist himself.

[506] Okay.

[507] So he kind of follows the owner around and learns how to use all the machines.

[508] And then when he finds himself without a place to live, the owners offer, they say you can live in the trailer behind the taxidermy shop.

[509] So he's just getting those sweet fumes right up into his fucking nose.

[510] He's just saturating himself in his dream.

[511] Yeah.

[512] In his dream of dead animals being stuffed.

[513] Great.

[514] So like a cartoon creep, he moves into a trailer behind a taxidermy shop all by himself.

[515] Great.

[516] And then his next step, because he's like, all right, I'm in Austin.

[517] I'm hanging out at a taxidermy shop like all the hot young guys do Then he starts telling people that he's a Korean war veteran That he was Are you a baby?

[518] Is there a baby that doesn't like my story?

[519] Wait, shush, everyone shows Nope, it's a ghost baby It was That is the baby that killed another baby and now haunts this theater.

[520] This college is so fucked up.

[521] Is this ghost baby college?

[522] Have you gone to the fighting ghost babies?

[523] They win every game because everyone's like, holy fuck, that baby's dead.

[524] This is insane.

[525] I think it's inappropriate that they made their mascot a ghost baby, but I don't make the rules.

[526] Times were different.

[527] They do what they want down here.

[528] That's weird.

[529] He starts telling people he's a Korean war fighter pilot.

[530] Yeah, veteran, fighter pilot.

[531] Who shot down enemy aircraft in Korea, claims he's in the French Foreign Legion.

[532] Why not tack that on?

[533] That he has three PhDs.

[534] He speaks six foreign languages fluently.

[535] He was involved in the Bay of Pigs.

[536] Jesus.

[537] He was responsible for the assassination of Che Guevara.

[538] That's a brag.

[539] Bob, he claims he once was court -martialed for flying under bridges.

[540] Like Sully, but a rebel.

[541] And then, of course, his big lie, as he tells everybody, he's ex -CIA.

[542] Now, here's a hard and fast rule for this life.

[543] If someone starts telling you that they are ex -CIA, they are mentally ill. Yeah.

[544] Bar none.

[545] Yeah.

[546] Because the whole thing about being in the CIA is you don't fucking brag about it.

[547] It's like Fight Club.

[548] It's totally fight club.

[549] It's governmental fight club.

[550] Zip the lip.

[551] Yeah.

[552] CIA style.

[553] Yeah.

[554] That's the whole fucking point of being in the CIA is you don't.

[555] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[556] Tell people about it.

[557] Do I need to underline it again?

[558] Watch the movie True Lies and you'll fucking know what it's like.

[559] You'll see what Arnold was up against.

[560] Mr. Mrs. Smith.

[561] Okay.

[562] All he want to do was tell her about his life.

[563] life and it drove them apart and then it brought them together outside of a helicopter this should be a movie's podcast i think yep let's change it so now he's got taxidermy now he's got stolen valor what's the third horse in this trifecta that's right the church of latter day saints he fucking whoa it's not going to guess that one he's like how to how am i going to lock this down and be the most popular guy in Austin.

[564] I'm going to pluck this one from the fucking tree of...

[565] What's this?

[566] Oh.

[567] What's this ripe berry from the top of the tree?

[568] Yep, he joins the LDS, and so he actually gets baptized into the church.

[569] And hot stuff.

[570] And then he makes a bunch of uncomfortable acquaintances that are like, it's great to meet you.

[571] Why are you here?

[572] Why are you here?

[573] I made a hot dish.

[574] Go over there and eat it, please.

[575] I don't want to.

[576] I made you funeral potatoes, but I don't want to bring him to you.

[577] So, of course, in December of 1973, he gets arrested for wrestling bison.

[578] You knew it.

[579] You knew I was going to say it.

[580] I'm sorry.

[581] Wait, for real, or is that another lie he made up?

[582] No, it's real.

[583] Oh, my God.

[584] He doesn't even need to lie.

[585] Why?

[586] Why are you lying?

[587] He's so ridiculous.

[588] Here's his mugshot from wrestling bison.

[589] He didn't wrestle them.

[590] He couldn't wrestle them.

[591] I don't think it's called wrestling when a bison beats the shit out of you.

[592] He looks like someone I've dated.

[593] Does he look like?

[594] Carl Urban, star of Star Trek?

[595] No. Call your girlfriend.

[596] I mean, I'm just saying if you lived in Austin You were just like a young waitress, just trying to see what's going on You went to high school with everybody and it's all the same people And then this fucking guy moves to town The bison rustler Talking about bisoned You're just like, what kind of plane did you fly in Korea?

[597] Wow, tell me more about the CIA All the secrets that you can just.

[598] to keep...

[599] Tell me about those secrets.

[600] Do you have one of those suitcases that shoots people?

[601] That's the first question I would ask.

[602] So he gets arrested and he goes to jail, but none of his Mormon friends come and visit him and they don't get him a lawyer.

[603] Guys.

[604] So he becomes super enraged in jail.

[605] Oh, I thought I was going to say Jewish or something.

[606] Just picks another religion.

[607] You know who come to my age?

[608] Lechheim.

[609] Yeah.

[610] Just whoever will show up.

[611] We'll show up.

[612] We'll come get you from jail.

[613] Will you?

[614] Do you promise me right now?

[615] Bring a fucking cugel, too.

[616] It's a hot dish.

[617] Trying to shove a casserole dish through the bars.

[618] Eat the cuckle.

[619] Yes, there's raisins in it.

[620] It's weird.

[621] It'll make you feel better.

[622] I like it.

[623] Eat the cougal.

[624] Wait, is cougal a casserole that has raisins?

[625] It's a noodle casserole.

[626] It's kind of sweet, but we eat it.

[627] with dinner, it's not dessert, and we put white raisins in it.

[628] And, like, what else, though?

[629] It's just like a good, like a custard.

[630] It's weird.

[631] What, it's wrong with that?

[632] And I love gufilta fish, too.

[633] Everyone's horrified by that.

[634] Anyway, this is neither.

[635] Great bread.

[636] This is neither here nor there.

[637] That's very true.

[638] Where are we?

[639] I don't know.

[640] Oh, okay.

[641] No one's getting him help and no one's coming to visit him.

[642] Right.

[643] His entire Mormon church is like, sorry, I didn't see your text.

[644] It's just a whole, it's 300 people that are like, what?

[645] You texted me?

[646] That's crazy.

[647] I didn't get it.

[648] I didn't get it.

[649] The one thing you automatically get and check every four seconds all day long.

[650] Didn't get.

[651] I just didn't.

[652] So he spends five months in jail.

[653] And he's pissed kind of naturally.

[654] And then once he gets out, his behavior, becomes more and more bizarre, he starts to send letters to the elders of the church going, it's a little something like this, I will not mess about any longer, I am going for the kill, I gave up everything I owned and was chased, hounded, track down, jailed, starved, and insulted, not only by my enemies, but by the church itself, I don't want to pat on the head or a paw shake, I want blood.

[655] I want to go after my false accusers now and bring them to dishonor.

[656] Wait, that's from the bison or from...

[657] Oh, that's from...

[658] That was a letter written by a bison.

[659] He shoved a pencil in his hoof.

[660] I was just like...

[661] No, I'm sorry, I'm pissed.

[662] I'm saying it.

[663] I'm going to finally fucking tell them how I actually feel being a Mormon.

[664] Bison.

[665] Shit, dude.

[666] Yeah.

[667] So the bishop of the church gets this letter and he's like, hey, everybody, I'm the Auburn -Ray guy.

[668] Don't talk to him anymore.

[669] tells everybody we have to stop associating with this person.

[670] He's dangerous.

[671] And there were two young men who were missionaries.

[672] Their names were Gary Darley, who was 20 years old, and Mark Fisher, who was 19 years old.

[673] And they had been having dinner with Robert since he moved to town, basically.

[674] They were kind of like the LDS kind of welcome wagon, and they would got to go visit him.

[675] And because, of course, he's a creep in the trailer behind the tax army shop.

[676] He doesn't have a phone.

[677] He just, he just yells at that slatted window when he needs to communicate with people.

[678] So they tell the bishop, okay, well, we're just going to go visit him one more time.

[679] He just said don't talk to him anymore.

[680] Yeah.

[681] But, you know, rebellious Mormon missionaries, they'll just say fuck you right to your face.

[682] So on October 28, 1974, Gary Darley and Mark Fisher go out to the taxidermy shop.

[683] They go to the trailer for one last visit, and they're never seen alive again.

[684] So because everybody knew that Bob Cleason was the last person that would have seen them alive, the police questioned him about where he thinks the boys could be.

[685] And first he tells the police they never got to his house for dinner, that he has no idea.

[686] But of course, then he's asked again, and he changes his story and says that there's a Mormon conspiracy against him and that he's being set up.

[687] That's the one.

[688] Yeah.

[689] That's the answer I should have gone with first.

[690] Sorry.

[691] That's my real answer.

[692] And then they bring it up again.

[693] And he says, actually, there's a judge in this town who is a war criminal.

[694] And I, as ex -CIA, have information about him.

[695] Therefore, he is trying to silence me. That's not it either.

[696] Yeah.

[697] And slowly the cops are backing toward the door, like trying to feel for the doorknob behind him.

[698] Uh -huh.

[699] Oh.

[700] You don't say.

[701] A war criminal, you say.

[702] I'm going to go check something.

[703] my car?

[704] How about I see him in a horror movie where a cop just goes up into a high girl voice because he's so fucking scared.

[705] Actually in this Real Stories, which is, it's a great episode of Real Stories about this guy.

[706] There is this amazing cop, Austin, PD, who says he was 24 years old when he first met this guy, and he said he's the scariest human being, he's ever been around because he came in real, like, he almost talked like, almost babyish where he'd be like, oh, I don't know, and he kind of talked like that.

[707] and then if you pissed him off, he would turn and they said his face would change and his eyes would change and all of a sudden he was the scariest person you ever saw.

[708] I don't like that.

[709] I don't.

[710] So, then, here's what happened.

[711] Listen.

[712] Oh, okay.

[713] They arrest him.

[714] I just said that part.

[715] So they go to the trailer and they do the search and outside they find Fisher's ID tag with a bullet hole in it.

[716] Then inside the trailer, they find both of the boys' bloody watches.

[717] So they are like, this is not good.

[718] They also then see, Cleason has this shooting range that's set up in the backyard, and then a bunch of people that know Cleason say, oh yeah, here's the thing he likes to do, is he invites you over to the shooting range, like you're going to shoot, and he'll go, look at me, I'm this expert shot, and he'll do all his shots, and you're supposed to go down and get the target thing and go bring it back.

[719] Don't do that.

[720] And multiple people said that they would go down to get the target, and when they turned around, he was standing there aiming the gun at them.

[721] And that was, like, his funny joke.

[722] That's hilarious.

[723] Really solid comedy.

[724] So the police are now like, this is clearly how he murdered these two boys.

[725] Then also inside the trailer, they find it, it's like he's trying to write a book.

[726] It's a manuscript called A Thousand White Tales, a Poacher's manuscript.

[727] and it is hundreds of pages of him describing in detailed writing how to kill, dress, and dispose of animal carcasses.

[728] What if you had to read that?

[729] Like, you had to.

[730] Don't do it.

[731] I would just get through it.

[732] You know what I mean?

[733] I would just do it.

[734] I just do my job.

[735] I guess that's the right answer.

[736] Yeah.

[737] That wasn't a great question.

[738] I can admit what I'm wrong.

[739] Steven, edit that out.

[740] Stephen, turn that part up louder.

[741] I think it was powerful, a powerful moment of honesty.

[742] I'm Irish Catholic, therefore I'd shut down all my emotions and just get the job done.

[743] That's how I made it to age 48.

[744] Thank you.

[745] Shut it down, press it down.

[746] Don't think about it till you're crying in the grocery store and you don't know why.

[747] I'm so sorry.

[748] That was amazing.

[749] No, I love it.

[750] It's the best.

[751] Okay.

[752] Here's, here's, I lost, now I don't know where I am, but this is a little bit random.

[753] This information is going to reset all of our taste buds to the horror that we're actually living in right now.

[754] Stop it.

[755] No, I'm going to stop it first.

[756] Everyone else can stop it.

[757] This guy has been married three times.

[758] All these women have left him, and the most.

[759] recent one left him because she walked into the bathroom and he was taking a bath with a disemboweled deer isn't this a singing podcast why isn't this an insanity podcast oh it is I mean okay that's fucking disgusting it's the worst and then just the visual it's the word because then you'd be like oh I'm sorry and then flashes of what you just saw never stopping.

[760] But is it wrong that I'm trying to think like, well, he must have been terrible before that, because if I saw Vince doing that, I don't know if I'd immediately leave him.

[761] You'd definitely want to hear the story first.

[762] Yeah.

[763] What if he wasn't taking a bath?

[764] Right.

[765] What if he fell into the bathtub full of water?

[766] Sure.

[767] She was probably like, yep, this is old Robert.

[768] Yes.

[769] But I'd be like, this isn't Vince.

[770] This is not like him.

[771] This isn't like him.

[772] Why would he put bubbles into this guy.

[773] So something must have else been, I'm going to guess something else.

[774] I bet something else.

[775] I bet like his funny game of pulling guns on people.

[776] Vince in the back is like I can finally live my life, my real life, she'll accept me for who I am.

[777] And then there's a deer standing next to him.

[778] I'm like, what?

[779] What did you say the plan was?

[780] Okay.

[781] once they police put all this horrifying information together, they send a friend forensic team to investigate the taxidermy studio.

[782] And this is where the connection to the Texas Chainsaw Massacre comes in, because they end up finding hair that matches the two young missionaries and human blood and tissue on the band saw that's in the taxidermy studio.

[783] And they also find their hair behind the shop in this bin behind the shop where the employees disposed of the undisional used animal parts and so then the police put together that basically he killed these boys and then got rid of their bodies um by basically dismembering them and getting rid of anything that would have looked human so that he could put it into that taxidermy bin so it's the worst the worst of the worst um so the state only has circumstantial evidence they only have all that stuff that they found in and around the tax germany place and his trailer so but they go to trial anyway in 1975 and he is found guilty of murder and the jury immediately gives him the death penalty hold hold don't do it don't fall for it you must know that there's more to come and it's not good it's actually the worst in 1977 he's on death row for two years no when the appeals court finds that the search warrant used to look through his trailer was defective, is the word that I cut and paste.

[784] So who wrote that?

[785] That's not.

[786] The search warrant was defective, and so the bloody watches, the name tag, the hideous manuscript are all inadmissible.

[787] No, judge, whatever your name is.

[788] So his conviction is overturned, and the authorities are like, it's too big of a risk to retry him when we don't have any of this, evidence.

[789] So, instead, they bring him up on weapons charges in Buffalo from when he shot the guy in the foot.

[790] And he gets the death penalty?

[791] No, damn it.

[792] Sure doesn't.

[793] He gets nine years in a prison in Buffalo.

[794] Yes.

[795] And secretly Austin's like, well, at least he's not here anymore.

[796] So he goes to jail, he's in jail in Buffalo.

[797] And while he's there, he signs up for a thing called International.

[798] pen friends.

[799] And he begins exchanging letters with a widow named Marie Longley who lives in the very British sounding town of Barton -upon -Humber.

[800] Oh, really?

[801] Oh, really?

[802] It's up in the northeast of England, and he explains to Marie, of course, that he is a Korean -decorated war veteran who is also a college professor, teaches literature to prisoners, and that's why all the pictures.

[803] sensor are from the inside of a prison.

[804] Shut up.

[805] Shit.

[806] And they make me wear the prison blues.

[807] I just try to blend in to make them want to learn from me. Yeah.

[808] So he gets her more and more to reveal all the details of her life, like that she is a policeman's widow.

[809] So she makes a pension.

[810] She owns her own house and she has a modest but stable income.

[811] And he's like, Ding, ding, ding, ding, I'm in love.

[812] So, in 1988, he's released from prison.

[813] The city of Buffalo, of course, doesn't want him, and it sweeps week also, the week he gets released.

[814] So literally, reporters just follow him around town.

[815] Yeah.

[816] He gets released from prison, he has nowhere to go, and reporters are just like, how do you feel by how nobody wants you here and you need to leave immediately?

[817] No -uh.

[818] Yeah.

[819] Oh.

[820] I just want to show that he.

[821] He wore the MAGA hat first.

[822] That's him.

[823] That's him.

[824] A ridge.

[825] Just saying.

[826] Oh.

[827] No way.

[828] They get married?

[829] That's Marie.

[830] He looks like the fattest vampire of all time in this picture.

[831] Like, you're only drinking blood.

[832] What are you?

[833] Oh, my God.

[834] And also, that is a metal that is not his.

[835] Yeah, yeah.

[836] He's wearing fucking, lunatic.

[837] Okay.

[838] Oh, I'm scared.

[839] It's scary.

[840] So, essentially, the people, the city officials in Buffalo are like, we want them out, people start petitions.

[841] At one point, he tells a reporter, I'm not the monster that they portrayed.

[842] He has this weird little baby voice.

[843] And if they dig a little deeper, why they'll find out I'm just an average sort of guy.

[844] Yeah.

[845] He has that really irritating Midwest acts, aren't where you're like, you're fucking hiding something, you old weird Dracula.

[846] So This deer comes around the corner And he's like He's fucking wild He's a lunatic He took a bath with my cousin was My cousin's in his bathroom Follow me Deer standing on his hind legs Going yelling out To the people of Buffalo Don't believe him Fucking listen to me you idiots Okay Robert waits out his parole And then he writes to Marie in England and says, I'm going to come and visit you.

[847] And she's like, that sounds okay, pen pal.

[848] Then she starts getting dozens of boxes sent to her house.

[849] It's filled with all of his shit.

[850] And literally, garbage.

[851] Like, they open one thing, and Marie's friend, Liz, says, that there's just some macaroni and a tin.

[852] Like, he's just sending, he just boxed up a bunch of shit, and he's like, I'm moving to Marie's.

[853] Shit.

[854] So she likes him fine at first.

[855] Everyone's like, he was super nice to her, and he was just nice and he was this war veteran and everybody liked him and he told them of course he won the Purple Heart in the Congressional Medal of Honor and that he had a girlfriend in Canada that was really into him within four months they're married that was that picture I just showed you then he starts joining the local gun clubs in her little British town which is like there must have been one maybe and he also starts hoarding guns and ammunition he applies for a gun permit to buy and sell guns he gets so many guns that he has to knock out a wall in Marie's upstairs area so it's just one big room full of guns it's so many guns for England it's like I think he collected every gun in England and he's just like I got them all let me know what you need so of course British Marie is getting the full -on gun creeps from this guy and then he starts doing it because then the mask drops away of course and he has his horrible anger and stuff and then he starts doing things where he's cleaning his gun and then he just aims it at her that old thing he loves to do so she's like honeymoon over you weren't like this in your letters then of course the domestic abuse comes at one point she starts locking herself in the back bedroom and just like living back there and she'll only come out when he's gone or just like if it's necessary So after a while, at the gun club, the mask comes off, because he ends up living in this town for 10 years.

[856] Jesus.

[857] So at first, everything's fine, but he can't, he can't handle it.

[858] They end up nicknaming him Odd Bob, which is like, you fucking got to love the British, because even in the face of, like, serial killers, they're just like, okay, odd Bob, kill some more people.

[859] He, of course, has all his ex -CIA claims.

[860] they're like bullshit one time he parks illegally and one of the fellow gun club members comes out and he's like move your fucking car he gets into his car sits there sits there that comes out with a double barrel shotgun holds it in the guy's face and like Elmer Fudd style a little flag comes out that says bang he says to the guy if we were in Texas I'd kill you right now holy shit uh huh and uh all the British people are like oh my We don't do this here.

[861] So they start, they want him gone.

[862] And so this local gun shop owner named Tony Fox is in this real story special, he starts digging around.

[863] He writes a letter to the American Medal of Honor Society.

[864] This is how you Googled back then.

[865] That's exactly right.

[866] Just long letters.

[867] And also could you look up the capital of Wisconsin for me?

[868] It's a different issue.

[869] But I would be a great favor.

[870] They write back and tell Tony that Bob Cleason's military honors are all bullshit and so they finally have a reason to ask him to leave the gun club.

[871] When this happens, Tony is the one that confronts him and Bob says if you tell anybody else about this I'll kill you and like you won't see me coming because I'm fucking X -CIA ninja Dracula.

[872] So of court and he says like and you can't tell the police and Tony's like, sounds great, mate, and he'd already told the police every single thing he knew.

[873] So the police come to Bob and Marie's home, and they run his name through in a poll.

[874] They find out about the prior offenses and the gun law violations.

[875] So they raid Marie's house, and they confiscate 42 guns.

[876] And the police say that when they took the guns out of the house, Bob sat down in a chair and cried for five hours.

[877] Jesus.

[878] Yes.

[879] Wept.

[880] Wept over his, okay.

[881] Wept like an only child.

[882] So then, when all this happens, Marie's friend Liz Butterfield, who features prominently in this Real Stories episode, she rules.

[883] Love her.

[884] She's the greatest.

[885] She finds out from Marie that Bob has moved a bandsaw into their kitchen.

[886] That's not where Bansaws go It doesn't belong in the kitchen No And it's also the same thing That they found all the DNA on In the taxidermy shop So Liz is like All right we need to Everybody needs to buckle down Sweetie time to Yeah so what she does is she gets her son Who knows how to use the computer And she's like look this fucker's name up Help us with the internet Because it's like the year fucking 2000 or whatever And everyone was still scared to touch electric things so the son looks it up they find out all of his police records he's like they didn't even realize you could do that and they find not just the ones in Buffalo but the fact that he was on death row in Texas and everyone shits a brick Liz goes over but very politely because they're British Liz goes over she tells Marie you're married to a murderer she says she can't leave because he says he's going to kill me if I try to leave him.

[887] Three days later, Marie disappears.

[888] So everybody in this town, up and upon down ten, they're scared that he's killed her, but actually it turned out that after all that happened, Marie and Liz fucking put this plan into play CIA style, and they fucking snuck the fuck out of there?

[889] They tell him that they're putting together a jumble sale.

[890] and they put all her shit in plastic like grocery bags and they're just lining it up like oh this is all the stuff for the jumble sale it's all her shit and then Liz just comes by one morning like we're off to the jumble sale and he's like see you later and they load up that fucking car and drive her away to a safe house yes it it actually takes the police five days to find her because they were so fucking serious they're like oh no they didn't tell anybody Holy shit, dude.

[891] It's so awesome.

[892] So when the police get back to the cottage, they find two more illegal weapons, one of which is an assassin's rifle that has a silencer on it.

[893] Is it in a briefcase?

[894] It's wearing its own little beige raincoat.

[895] So they arrest him again, and they let him out on bail.

[896] No, no, no, no. I don't even know.

[897] So he goes back to the house, and he immediately.

[898] immediately starts writing another pen pal.

[899] For real.

[900] And so he finds a German woman that he now begins romancing.

[901] And the cops are watching him and like following him around.

[902] He's somehow gotten this German woman to come to that town.

[903] So they're driving around in this van filled with Marie's furniture.

[904] And this new woman that they're like, holy shit, they finally, the sentence goes through and he has to go to jail.

[905] for three years.

[906] But then one year later, so he's in jail, and then a year later, because it's 2001, and suddenly there's DNA evidence everywhere.

[907] So they go back and they pull a jumpsuit that they had found, the cops had found in a can outside the taxidermy thing, and they test all of the blood that was on the front of this jumpsuit, and it has Gary Darley and Mark Fisher's blood on it, and they finally have the proof that Robert Clemson, Cleason is the one who killed them.

[908] Oh, my God.

[909] And that means they can retry him for those murders.

[910] So the UK agrees to extradition.

[911] And then Robert Cleason on April 21st, 2003, dies of a heart attack.

[912] What a dick.

[913] Right?

[914] At the age of 69.

[915] Nice.

[916] And that is the insane, horrible story.

[917] of the Not Really Real Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Robert Elmer Gleason.

[918] That was excellent.

[919] Sorry, it was so fucking long.

[920] Sorry, so good.

[921] Sorry.

[922] How the fuck am I?

[923] Wow.

[924] That was horrible.

[925] Yeah.

[926] And great.

[927] And yet.

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[942] Goodbye.

[943] Okay.

[944] All right.

[945] Well, I'm going to do the murder of Stephen Robards.

[946] Don't worry about it.

[947] You'll figure it out.

[948] And I have to go right at the top.

[949] I got a shitload of this info from a great article from the Texas Monthly by our best friend, Skip Hollinsworth.

[950] Love him.

[951] Give that man a podcast.

[952] For real.

[953] All right.

[954] So this dude's Stephen Robards and Beth Lommer.

[955] fall in love in high school in Fort Worth, Texas in the 70s.

[956] Fort Worth in the 70s was gorgeous.

[957] Bage, beige, beige.

[958] They get married in 1974, whatever.

[959] When Beth was just 18, two years later, they have a daughter, and they name her Dorothy Marie, but she goes by Marie.

[960] But their relationship ended pretty quickly in 1980.

[961] Beth got tired of her husband's behavior.

[962] It alludes to the, the fact that he might have had been bipolar, but he would have jealousy issues, temper tantrums.

[963] It doesn't matter.

[964] They break up.

[965] And when Marie was about three, and so about a year later, when Marie is about four, Beth gets remarried to a dude named Frank.

[966] He's an ex -Navy officer.

[967] Blah, blah, blah.

[968] And then three of them moved to Granbury.

[969] Granbury?

[970] Granbury.

[971] Is it a town that was built around a really huge berry?

[972] Grandbury It's about 35 miles outside of Fort Worth And at first Marie is close with her stepfather And they fucking get along She even starts to call him dad And her real father Stephen who visits She visits him A couple times a month back in Fort Worth She starts calling him Which he had to love this Stephen Dad Ew Yeah Sorry she was an only child Yeah Yeah.

[973] You know.

[974] So Marie and her mother are extremely close, almost in an unhealthy way.

[975] They're more like sisters, that sort of thing.

[976] And it seems like Marie had this really strong bond to her mom.

[977] And as she enters high school, she turns out to be this really, really smart girl.

[978] She gets really good grades.

[979] She, you know, doesn't mouth off.

[980] I don't know.

[981] But all the teachers loved her.

[982] you know, she excelled.

[983] And then a week before her 16th birthday, everything changes when Marie comes home early and finds her stepdad Frank in fucking bed with another woman.

[984] Oh, no. Yeah, who he had been having an affair with.

[985] She tells her mom, Beth, and ultimately Beth fucking blames herself and her crazy work schedule was like, I'm staying with him.

[986] And so from that point on, Marie fucking hated Frank, and there was all this crazy tension in the house.

[987] So eventually she refuses to live with them and she leaves home and goes to stay with her grandparents and is just angry.

[988] But fucking Frank was like, well, I have this rule that if any of...

[989] He had a kid too.

[990] If you ever leave the house and say you want to move out, you can't come back in.

[991] And he was like really strict about it.

[992] Oh, so he's strict about rules that he sets.

[993] Right.

[994] But like the rules of the Lord don't matter.

[995] Okay.

[996] Frank, if that is your real name, right.

[997] Sounds good.

[998] He seems like a dick, and it seems like the perfect how you don't parent teenager's rules unless they're your stepchildren, and then whatever you want is fine.

[999] Listen, I'm a child of divorce, obviously.

[1000] We're working with a lot of shit up here tonight.

[1001] That's right.

[1002] So, of course, as any teenager who fucking went off in a huff, changes her fucking mind five days later and tries to come home, and Frank's like, you can't fucking come back here.

[1003] And Marie's best friend, her mom, is like, I felt like I had to choose between the two of them and ultimately she chose her fucking cheating ass husband.

[1004] Gross.

[1005] I know.

[1006] And so Marie is devastated and she ends up going to move with her dad in Fort Worth into his one bedroom apartment and have you guys divorced dad apartments?

[1007] I have this.

[1008] Everything is beige.

[1009] Carpet.

[1010] It's just like my dad would have, you had to get hand -me -down furniture.

[1011] So, like, he'd have, like, someone else's old patio furniture or is his indoor furniture?

[1012] Oh, no. It's kind of depressing.

[1013] Love you, dad.

[1014] Was there bird shit on it or anything like that?

[1015] No bird shit.

[1016] My dad was very clean, a neat freak.

[1017] And then, so she went to live with him.

[1018] But Stephen was really happy to have his daughter there a chance to connect with her.

[1019] He tried really hard to make her happy.

[1020] she began attending high school in town in Fort Worth and at that point Steve didn't have gotten his life together after the divorce he was in a relationship with a woman who lived in this building she was a single mom they had met at parents without partners oh yeah wonderful organization yeah he was going to a local church he got a good job as a mail carrier and was stoked to have his daughter with him but of course Murray was heartbroken that her mom had fucking ditched her And she didn't like living in her dad's house.

[1021] She wrote to her mom and called every night complaining about her new school, that her father had no homemaking skills, that he had few kitchen utensils.

[1022] I identify with because we just keep losing forks.

[1023] Where are they going?

[1024] What if Steven steals one fork every time he stays at my house?

[1025] Just to fuck with us?

[1026] It'd be kind of rad.

[1027] I do that all the time.

[1028] It's always teaspoons.

[1029] And then I find them all in the backseat in my car.

[1030] because I eat yogurt on the way to work as I drive, and then when I'm done, I'm like, Z -Zh -Zh -Hit!

[1031] See you later.

[1032] At least it's not out the window, though.

[1033] Teaspoon, out the window.

[1034] Hit a motorcycle cop.

[1035] Now I'm arrested.

[1036] I'll come to prison and get you.

[1037] You would?

[1038] I would.

[1039] The Kugul.

[1040] You're forcing me to eat Kugul.

[1041] Georgia.

[1042] I'm in prison.

[1043] Okay.

[1044] It turns out they serve Kugul and here too.

[1045] Said that he didn't clean the apartment and Marie so he was trying to get a two -bedroom apartment in the building but in the meantime she had to sleep on a rollaway bed in the dining room and so she was pissed off about that sure been there and sorry she's 15 she's 16 at this point 16 yeah you need you need your own room 16 year olds hate their parents no matter what they do right so and Marie even sent her mom a letter telling her that she was thinking about suicide, but our friend old Beth over here was like, I just thought she was being dramatic and that she was typical teenage angst, blah, bye, I'm going to hang out with my husband.

[1046] Oh, I don't like that mom at home.

[1047] I don't either, but I'm not supposed to say that.

[1048] Yeah, let's not say it.

[1049] So things start to settle down finally, and she starts to excel at school, at her new school again, and she's doing really well.

[1050] She's one of those kids.

[1051] It reminds me of the type that are super eager to please, because everything around them is chaos, and they don't want to be the one fucking things up.

[1052] So they're like, I'm going to fucking make sure there's not a single thing about me that they can be mad about.

[1053] I don't get that.

[1054] That wasn't not me. I was like, I'm going to fuck everything up.

[1055] And I'm going to laugh in your face when you're mad at it.

[1056] Goodbye.

[1057] That's when baby Georgia picks up that meth pipe and she's like, let's do this.

[1058] I'm throwing spoons out the window.

[1059] Shooting up, then the meth, then the spoon out the window.

[1060] Um, bum, bu, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo.

[1061] Okay, wait, things are still down, she goes with, and then excellent grades, etc. She starts to settle in.

[1062] Um, then, then out of the blue on February 18th, 1993, Marie turns up on, uh, Stephen's new lady friend's door.

[1063] That's what my dad calls the girl, called the girls he was dating, the lady, lady friends.

[1064] I've got a new lady friend.

[1065] I, um, I had a boyfriend who tried to call me that once and I just left the store that we were.

[1066] Why didn't he do that?

[1067] I guess he was uncomfortable with the word girlfriend and then I just stared at him and I walked out and got in the car and left.

[1068] It's just like, no, here's the thing.

[1069] You don't have to call me anything, but if you're going to call me something, lady friend is not fucking it, dude.

[1070] Was it my dad?

[1071] That's, I dated Marty for seven wonderful months.

[1072] Oh, no. And now I'm your stepmother.

[1073] Clean your room.

[1074] I'm going to call you Karen mom.

[1075] Clean your room.

[1076] Making the worst microwaves, like lean cuisines for everybody.

[1077] Sit down, children.

[1078] There's no utensils.

[1079] Also, we're adults.

[1080] Why do we have to eat here?

[1081] There's so many questions.

[1082] Okay, so, oh, okay.

[1083] So out of the blue, February 18, 1993, Marie knocks on lady friend's door, and she's like, my dad, sick.

[1084] Stephen had come home from church after dinner, complaining of a stomach ache.

[1085] And so Marie babysat the lady friend's young son, and she rush, well, she rushes over to find Stephen in bed complaining he was getting stiff in his arms and legs.

[1086] He couldn't swallow well.

[1087] And then there was saliva coming up through his mouth.

[1088] She calls an ambulance, and Stephen's foaming at the mouth.

[1089] And, yeah, and just, and the paramedics try to get an oxygen tube down his throat to keep him alive, but his throat's completely cold.

[1090] closed up.

[1091] He ends up dying at just 38 years old.

[1092] And according to the corner, the corner, Stephen died of a heart attack.

[1093] A throat attack?

[1094] Yeah.

[1095] The end of the story.

[1096] No. Oh, well.

[1097] So, yeah, so fucking Stephen dies.

[1098] With her father dead, Marie is now eventually moves in with, she tries to move in with her mom in Florida because they were going to leave Frank.

[1099] Then Frank comes back.

[1100] fucking Beth takes him back again.

[1101] So eventually Marie ends up moving in with her grandparents, her dad's parents in Mansfield near Fort Worth.

[1102] There she enrolls at Mansfield High School, the fighting.

[1103] Potted plants.

[1104] Damn it.

[1105] That was good.

[1106] Imagine fighting potted plants.

[1107] Shards of clay pot.

[1108] Yeah.

[1109] All in your football path?

[1110] They're mascots, just a big phicus.

[1111] Just the angriest phicus in all of Home Depot coming to get you.

[1112] Fyka, fuck you.

[1113] Fuck you.

[1114] Fuck you.

[1115] Why aren't more high school cheers ending in fuck you these days?

[1116] That's what it's all about.

[1117] Someone start that, please.

[1118] Express yourself.

[1119] She now becomes again a really great student.

[1120] student.

[1121] But then, in their senior year, Marie meets a new best bestie, best girlfriend.

[1122] She comes super close with this chick fucking no joke named Stacy.

[1123] Hi.

[1124] Hi.

[1125] Hey, like H -I -G -H.

[1126] Yes.

[1127] Good for her.

[1128] Stacy is a really popular student.

[1129] Her parents had divorced as well, and that wasn't really a normal thing in their school, so she wanted to get to know Marie.

[1130] She said that Marie was one of the most mature girls she had ever met.

[1131] Like, Stacy would like to go out and party.

[1132] And she was, like, Marie was like super studious and Stacey was like maybe this will run off rub off on me great that she becomes super close but Stacy says she always feels like Marie is holding back from her oh here's that photo of our friend Marie oh okay in the fucking most amazing time of our lives is I mean did she craft that jacket out of pure sorrow or what it's so it's so it's trying to be like it's fine everything's fine right Yeah.

[1133] But she looks all...

[1134] Yeah, whatever.

[1135] Okay.

[1136] She's very pretty, obviously.

[1137] That was them.

[1138] Yeah.

[1139] I don't remember what the next one is.

[1140] Oh, that's her and her dad.

[1141] Yeah.

[1142] Look at him.

[1143] Look at his socks.

[1144] They looked mismatched, but that's just the shadow.

[1145] He didn't wear a light blue and a white sock.

[1146] There's still...

[1147] He's just such a dad.

[1148] He's just a dad.

[1149] He's a total 38 -year -old dad.

[1150] Totally.

[1151] All right.

[1152] So, Stacey and Marie.

[1153] Marie won't open up to Stacey, but they spent a lot of time working on the school yearbook together, hanging out, besties, etc. Then in January 94, Marie and Stacey are studying Hamlet.

[1154] And Stacey has a favorite scene in Hamlet, like, as all high school students do.

[1155] I don't know.

[1156] Never cracked one of those fucking books.

[1157] Never.

[1158] And this is how the fucking story goes.

[1159] And we're like, Stacey, what really?

[1160] happened because you did not recite a soliloquy of the Danish monarch Claudius who poisoned his brother.

[1161] She's like let me recite to you my favorite part, Stacey says.

[1162] And she recites this part about Hamlet or, you know, getting all, killing her father and am I going to be okay and all this shit?

[1163] I didn't read it.

[1164] That was the Cliff Snows version.

[1165] Yeah.

[1166] And Stacy's like, what did you think of that, Marie?

[1167] And Marie's fucking sobbing.

[1168] And she's like, uh, you okay dude and Marie she said Marie's hand started, Marie turned pale, her hands were trembling, she gets to weep and then fucking confesses to Stacey that she killed her father.

[1169] What?

[1170] Yep.

[1171] The girl with the jacket.

[1172] Yeah.

[1173] Poison?

[1174] Yeah.

[1175] Fuck.

[1176] Yeah, that's right.

[1177] She tells her what happened was that she's fucking getting aces in fucking chemistry class, she finds a bottle marked with a skull and crossbones and the word poisonous on it and pours it into a napkin.

[1178] Sorry, none of that happened.

[1179] No, absolutely not.

[1180] This is the 90s, so they're like, go ahead and handle poison everyone at your own risk.

[1181] Let's see, at this high school, we're going to line the poison bottles up over here and you can check them out, but please fill out this form.

[1182] But she's also like a really good student, so it's possible she got like, she was able to, like, come and go, is she pleased?

[1183] Maybe had access.

[1184] Hey, can I get into that poison closet?

[1185] I'm really mature.

[1186] I love Hamlet and shit.

[1187] Can I just get a couple sips?

[1188] Thank you.

[1189] Well, somehow she got it, poured it into a napkin, brought it home, and fucking slipped it into her father's refried beans, and they're take out Mexican food.

[1190] Yeah.

[1191] He was the good one.

[1192] Yeah.

[1193] Fuck.

[1194] Yeah.

[1195] She said, she said she said she, She confessed that she had murdered her father by poisoning him.

[1196] Stacey, she's like, you've got to keep it a secret.

[1197] And Stacey's like, great, I kind of want to get in an okay college.

[1198] She's like one of those cops.

[1199] Okay, I'll be right back.

[1200] Door knob, door knob, door knob, door knob.

[1201] That's right.

[1202] Give me one second.

[1203] Give me a minute.

[1204] Before I keep that secret.

[1205] No, I don't want a bite of your food.

[1206] Stacey promises to keep Marie's secret.

[1207] Does so for weeks, but she's fucking tormented by guilt.

[1208] she's having nightmares eventually.

[1209] She's like, I was so bothered by the idea that Marie might be a totally different person than she thought she was, meaning I think she's going to fucking kill me too.

[1210] Fair enough.

[1211] And Stacey eventually tells the police.

[1212] But, okay, while the police investigate, which I think takes like eight fucking months, they still have to go to school together.

[1213] Oh, no. And I don't know.

[1214] I don't think Marie knows yet that Stacey told.

[1215] So Stacey's like, you know what, I'm going to quit the yearbook staff and kind of starts to distance her.

[1216] from her?

[1217] And Marie's like, why every time you talk to me, do you not move your mouth?

[1218] This is weird.

[1219] Welcome to you.

[1220] Everything's great.

[1221] I'm great.

[1222] Secrets.

[1223] It's perfect.

[1224] I'll tell you one too.

[1225] Let's share Doritos.

[1226] That's all of high school to me. Oh, sharing Doritos.

[1227] And those donuts, those packets of tonettes.

[1228] That's where it's me. Some donut gems.

[1229] Yeah.

[1230] Shit girl.

[1231] Those are good.

[1232] The cream ones.

[1233] okay um the crumb ones will make you choke by the way that's just a public service announcement don't eat two crumb donuts in a row or you will die it's true they're so dry we're doing the lord's work on this podcast we're getting the word out to people about choked choky hazards hello okay eventually so they have to pretend their friends still uh Stacy is losing her shit.

[1234] Poor Stacey.

[1235] She eventually goes to an after -school program at a private psychiatric treatment center in Mansfield, and she's like, I need some help.

[1236] My life is swirling down the fucking toilet right now.

[1237] So it takes eight months for the testing to be done to see what kind of fucking poison.

[1238] Because to detect the poison, it's a specialized $15 ,000 machine is required, which is the medical examiner, who was like, Mr. Old Heart Attack, back there a couple years ago he didn't have that machine so he's just like heart attack heart attack everyone great there's a knife in someone's eye I don't know I feel like the heart stopped at some point I'm just better write it down he's a bison the pad between his heart attack it seems to me this person died of a heart attack I was just going to try to make a bison sound I have no fucking clue Nobody knows.

[1239] No, no one knows what a bison.

[1240] No one knows.

[1241] It's a mystery.

[1242] They've all been rustled.

[1243] Okay, so they finally find out that it's barium acetate, and it's 250 times the amount that's usually found in a person's blood.

[1244] I guess we have that in us.

[1245] It's found in poor Stephen.

[1246] And so at this point, Marie's in fucking a freshman at the University of Texas here in Austin.

[1247] Oh, shit.

[1248] The flying...

[1249] The fighting bass players.

[1250] Oh, they love to fight with each other.

[1251] Really?

[1252] This is not how you do it.

[1253] I'm gonna get you out of here.

[1254] That's the song.

[1255] Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the one.

[1256] And they're gonna beat you in football.

[1257] Yeah.

[1258] At the Austin police station, Marie just admits to killing her father.

[1259] Good.

[1260] Just make it quick.

[1261] Get it over with.

[1262] And she's, they're like, what did he do to you?

[1263] Please give us a reason why you would have killed him.

[1264] Please tell us he molested you because we can't fucking deal with this.

[1265] And she's like, he was great.

[1266] He never did anything wrong.

[1267] He didn't.

[1268] And so she says that her motive was that she believed her father's death was the only way she could return to live with her mom.

[1269] And she said, quote, I just wanted to be with my mom so bad that I would do anything to be with her.

[1270] So this check has fucking got some, she's been this poor.

[1271] It's the worst.

[1272] When you're 16, you never want to be with your mom.

[1273] Everything your mom does, you're like, ugh.

[1274] Yeah.

[1275] Eye rolls.

[1276] Like, it's so sad.

[1277] It's not the way you're supposed to grow up.

[1278] Something going on.

[1279] And when her mom found out about the death of her ex, before knowing that her daughter I did it, she was like, it sucks because I was actually about to come get you and move us to Florida in a week, and I just hadn't told you yet.

[1280] Marie's like, bitch.

[1281] You've got to be fucking kidding me. That said, if only I had told Marie one week earlier, which is like, none of this would have ever happened.

[1282] If only you had been a normal mom.

[1283] If only.

[1284] No, it's not her fault.

[1285] I'm sorry.

[1286] No, it's not her fault.

[1287] It's not her fault.

[1288] I have mom issues.

[1289] Okay.

[1290] We're working some shit out.

[1291] Let us do it.

[1292] They use the life insurance.

[1293] money that Marie received after Stephen's death 60 grand to hire two veteran Fort Worth defense attorneys whose strategy was to convince the jury that Marie didn't know that she just wanted to get her dad sick so she could move back that was what they said thinking it would lead to a lighter sentence of manslaughter rather to murder but Marie who was 19 by this time there she goes my 19 by the time she went to trial in 1995 she sobbed quietly throughout much of the trial and then Jim Robards who was Stephen's dad her fucking grandpa took the stand and was like said that Marie should be forgiven and offered a probationary sentence he was like it wasn't her fault I know it's so sad in the end the defense plan didn't work and Marie was convicted of murder and sentenced to 28 years in prison but she was released on parole for good behavior after eight years in 2003 and she changed her name and is now in living here tonight come on that's right get out here Bridget and that is the murder of Stephen Robarts oh that's so sad that's that thing too when like you're a teenager and you have a lot of anxiety or stress or whatever and then you come to these decisions and it's like everything's black and white it's a half to this or that and there's no other option that's right and you don't understand consequences yet completely because your brain's not fully fucking informed and shit.

[1294] I know we actually don't, but do we have time for a hometown?

[1295] Yeah, let's do a quick one.

[1296] Home town?

[1297] Oh, my God.

[1298] I don't know what that.

[1299] Yeah.

[1300] These are not Anderson's chairs.

[1301] They're not?

[1302] They wouldn't sit in these things.

[1303] Oh.

[1304] Those are much more plush with a wider arm.

[1305] Yeah, you're right.

[1306] They usually do a velvet number.

[1307] Also, I was following along.

[1308] I don't know if you mentioned, but Marie, the poison she got was from her high school chemistry class with a bottle that just had a skull and crossbones.

[1309] I heard he said.

[1310] Oh, I said it was poison.

[1311] Karen made fun of me. I got to get out of here.

[1312] I'm going to go get to me. Did he just mansplain my fucking murder to me?

[1313] That's husband's plain.

[1314] Vince has been getting into the lone star backstage.

[1315] Okay.

[1316] You guys know the rules, basically, but it's very important.

[1317] Please let it be local.

[1318] Definitely, Texas, if not Austin.

[1319] we don't give a shit about what happened to you in Arizona and I'm not fucking kidding you have to make it quick beginning middle end it's very important that if you tell a good story and it's very important that you tell it quickly because if you get picked everyone hates you all right Georgia will now choose the hometown murder the last hometown murder of the 20 fall tour here we go right that way over there where Vince is that way someone yelled she's sober She's sober?

[1320] And I'm like, no, she's not, ah.

[1321] What is that glow -in -the -dark thing say?

[1322] I can't read it.

[1323] What?

[1324] Skull team.

[1325] Okay.

[1326] It's a new thing they have out there where people run around in groups of five.

[1327] They hold a skull.

[1328] It's called Skull Team.

[1329] It's hilarious.

[1330] Um, so guys, last hometown of 2018.

[1331] So much pressure.

[1332] Oh, last night.

[1333] Last night when we were Atlanta, someone gave us a raisin cake with a pentagram on top of it.

[1334] Just so you know, the kind of gifts we're getting.

[1335] Hi, what's your name?

[1336] Did you say Carrie?

[1337] Carrie.

[1338] Hi, Carrie, come here.

[1339] Go to meet Georgia.

[1340] Here, take this.

[1341] Take that microphone.

[1342] And come over here.

[1343] And then center up.

[1344] Carrie, where are you from?

[1345] I am from Fort Worth.

[1346] Oh.

[1347] Okay, so my story is about my cousin, Greg.

[1348] And he lived in Louisville.

[1349] which about three hours from here.

[1350] Okay.

[1351] Shout out.

[1352] They do that to every city.

[1353] Oslo.

[1354] They love it.

[1355] So Greg was dating a lady named Carol.

[1356] And Carol, Carol had been with a boyfriend named Earl.

[1357] Texas, you know, good Texas.

[1358] boy name.

[1359] Earl was abusive, not a good guy.

[1360] And so when Greg started dating Carol, Earl, who was also a realtor, got a key to her apartment, got a locksmith to get a key to go into her apartment.

[1361] And he went in, and they were in bed together.

[1362] Greg and Carol, of course, they were dating or whatever.

[1363] He got livid, so mad, he storms out, and my cousin Greg was a subcontractor, big construction on homes and such.

[1364] He had gotten a message that someone wanted to, they needed some work done on a house, and it was an empty house.

[1365] So Greg goes to meet this client at the empty house, and he's shot in the head.

[1366] and killed in the garage.

[1367] So this was in the early 80s.

[1368] And what better way to cover up a murder in the early 80s than to dump red paint on the floor and write 666 on the garage and make it look like a satanic ritual?

[1369] So that's what happened.

[1370] And Earl put my brother's body into his own truck, into Greg's truck, drove it out on I -35, parked it, put a flat tire on it, So he sat there for a couple days.

[1371] And finally, you know, the police found him.

[1372] And they kind of tied it back that it was Earl who had set it up.

[1373] But unfortunately, it was only circumstantial evidence that they could find.

[1374] So he was never prosecuted.

[1375] Oh, sure.

[1376] But here's what I'll say.

[1377] You ladies have encouraged me and inspired me. And I really want to reach out to the Louisville Police Department and ask their cold case.

[1378] case division to look back into this because there have been so many development.

[1379] That's such a good idea.

[1380] You should do that.

[1381] Thank you.

[1382] Thank you.

[1383] So thank you ladies very, very much.

[1384] Thank you.

[1385] What an amazing story.

[1386] Thank you for sharing that.

[1387] Carrie, everybody is here.

[1388] Great job.

[1389] Oh, my hon. I have chills and I might cry.

[1390] I know.

[1391] I know.

[1392] That was really amazing.

[1393] This is such a crazy community, you guys, that we all made.

[1394] I can't believe it.

[1395] this insane little thing that we had this fascination with by ourselves and watched all these TV shows at late at night about true crime and now we're all together like normal people and realize how normal it is to have it in your life and in your family or just to be interested in it but you're not a sick fuck for being interested in it.

[1396] You're just you know human.

[1397] Yeah yeah it's very cool yeah we talk about this all the time and we try to freshen it up and make it new for every show but we really are we're just flabbergasted at the response that we've gotten for this podcast and the support and the community you guys have created for yourselves.

[1398] You raise money, you fucking have get -togethers, you fight your own anxiety, and you meet new people, and you go out into the world, and you're taking back the world around you.

[1399] And now you get to say what's weird, and you get to say what's allowed, and, you know, we get a lot of credit for that, but you're doing it for yourselves.

[1400] and it's an amazing thing to see.

[1401] So thank you so, so much for being here with us.

[1402] You too, balcony, you too.

[1403] All the way to the top!

[1404] Yeah.

[1405] No, go ahead.

[1406] This has been an amazing, and yet another incredible tour with these fucking awesome shows of our friends.

[1407] We're so lucky.

[1408] Thank you guys so much for coming and supporting us for almost three fucking years.

[1409] Yeah.

[1410] We meet, we get to meet people at the Meet and Green.

[1411] and sometimes they'll go like, we came to see you in this show and this show and we're coming tomorrow and we went there last year and it's just, we can't say it enough that it's just, we're having the best fucking time and it's really incredible that this is our job now.

[1412] Thank you, guys.

[1413] So thank you very much.

[1414] Thank you.

[1415] Very much.

[1416] And Austin especially, this was a fucking amazing, great show that we had the best time at.

[1417] Thank you.

[1418] It's ending for this tour.

[1419] it's been amazing shows but oh my god what a huge high to end on it's thank you so much so stay sexy