Josh Hutcherson

[0] Hello everybody.

[1] Welcome to armchair expert.

[2] I'm Dax Shepard and I'm joined by Manika Pladman.

[3] Happy New Year.

[4] Happy New Year.

[5] I just, you know, I'm so excited to be back.

[6] Me too.

[7] Are you?

[8] Yeah, me too.

[9] Did you feel, I went through a whole like metamorphosis or experience or a journey, a crisis.

[10] And I wonder, I want to know if it's common.

[11] It's like I look forward so much to that break.

[12] You know, I start romanticizing it, and I start setting expectations, which is dangerous.

[13] Okay.

[14] And basically, I'm looking forward to it as if I'm about to retire.

[15] Like, I'm going to be retired for two weeks.

[16] I do this too, yeah.

[17] And then the first five days is really fun.

[18] And then it kind of flattens out, right?

[19] And then the last five days, I start questioning everything I think to be true.

[20] Yes, yes, I have that.

[21] Did you do this?

[22] Yeah, I don't, I normally don't like New Year's because I do a lot of that.

[23] I do a lot of existential thinking and also.

[24] Life evaluations.

[25] Fear, a lot of fear.

[26] Mm -hmm.

[27] Tasty, yummy fear.

[28] Mm -hmm.

[29] Yeah, I just all of a sudden was like, I think on day, you know, 13 of this experience going, I'm delusional.

[30] I can't ever retire.

[31] I'll go bananas.

[32] Oh, right.

[33] I love this.

[34] sitting here talking to you.

[35] I don't know why I would want 14 days without doing that.

[36] But leading up to it, I'm convinced that that's going to be nirvana or heaven on earth.

[37] Yeah, that is weird.

[38] I don't have, I didn't have that.

[39] I wasn't like, I can't wait to stay away from Dax for 14 days.

[40] No, no, not even that way.

[41] Just responsibility.

[42] You know, generalized responsibility.

[43] Yeah.

[44] The freedom from it seemed like it was going to be euphoric.

[45] Yeah.

[46] And for a minute it was.

[47] Yeah.

[48] It's nice to catch up.

[49] Catch up on sleep.

[50] Yeah.

[51] Catch up on bad food.

[52] Yes.

[53] Catch up on gaining a few pounds.

[54] Yeah.

[55] It's kind of nice to have ketchup.

[56] Yeah.

[57] Get that cholesterol level up there.

[58] Yeah.

[59] Unless you're me who worked out every day.

[60] Monica ran at least two miles a day.

[61] At least.

[62] For seven days straight, six days straight.

[63] You rest like the Lord on the seven.

[64] Six days straight.

[65] I rested like the Lord on the seventh.

[66] And then I did it again.

[67] I only I only didn't work out one day this whole break.

[68] I'm so proud of you.

[69] Thank you.

[70] I mean, really.

[71] I'm really impressed and happy for you.

[72] And did you feel that your mood was generally elevated from the...

[73] Well, so I'll tell you that that's part of the reason why I did it because I was home with my family.

[74] Mm -hmm.

[75] And I had some apprehension.

[76] Well, you have a dicey history over Christmas, right?

[77] Yeah.

[78] Let's just say that.

[79] A checkered past?

[80] There's a little bit of a checkered past.

[81] there's been some fighting caused by me sometimes and then my favorite part of all these is a quick retreat to your childhood bedroom where you then eaves dropped through the door to see what they're saying about you which is easily my every time but enough of the time but tell everyone the good news there weren't any fights not a single one you got through your whole trip to Georgia without any alter Yeah.

[82] My parents did a nice job.

[83] They did nice job, but I have to say that that exercise is in the recipe.

[84] It might be.

[85] It might be.

[86] Because you were, you were prone to a little seasonal mood disorder because it got gloomy there a few of the days.

[87] It was pretty gloomy.

[88] I was about to TMI start my cycle.

[89] Oh, okay, great.

[90] You were pre -menstrual.

[91] Yeah.

[92] So really, everything was stacked against me. And yet, you persevered?

[93] I did.

[94] Perceivered.

[95] Perceivered.

[96] Aye.

[97] Perceivered.

[98] Anyway, this is just the intro, you know.

[99] Oh, I know.

[100] I love it.

[101] So let's talk about who is joining us today.

[102] He is a sweet, sweet boy.

[103] I've known him since he was just a little tiny boy.

[104] We worked together on a film called Zethora.

[105] His name is Josh Hutcherson.

[106] Ooh, cutie, cutie pie.

[107] He's tremendously talented.

[108] He's as cute as the day is long.

[109] long and he's very articulate and well -spoken, and he had us in stitches.

[110] Yeah, he was great.

[111] He's also a friend of ours.

[112] The clan.

[113] Yeah, he's a friend of our clan with a sea with a sea.

[114] Yeah, okay, okay, you're right, right.

[115] Clan with a sea.

[116] And so Josh Hutcherson, and if you enjoy this, which I know you will, because Josh is so fun to listen to, his new show, Future Man, season two, premieres on Hulu, jam.

[117] January 11th.

[118] So check that out and enjoy Josh Hutcherson.

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[122] Joshie, my baby boy has come home to Roos.

[123] The prodigal son.

[124] Oh, it's so nice to see you.

[125] And likewise.

[126] When was the last time?

[127] Do we know?

[128] I mean, the last time that I really remember seeing you was, it's been a few years, but it was at a Halloween party where you played a sheriff.

[129] It was those murder mystery parties.

[130] And then you came busting in as like some detective or something.

[131] Oh, I totally know.

[132] Yeah, and I bailed out pretty quickly of that whole thing.

[133] Yeah, you did.

[134] But you kind of half -assed it at the same time.

[135] Oh, I definitely have.

[136] It was so interesting.

[137] I think maybe because we act at work, it's like to go to a party and then pretend like you're a character, I just, I got, I was surprised.

[138] I was like, is he really?

[139] Dax is doing this?

[140] I did for about 15 minutes.

[141] I was like, what am I doing?

[142] I just want to chat with people normally and everyone was so into character.

[143] I was like, you know, but for real, what are you up to?

[144] Yeah.

[145] He's like, well, I just got back from Paris where I solved the case about a pedophile.

[146] You're like, no, man. I remember you and me talk because at that point, I think it was like I was changing agents.

[147] And I talked to you about like I was going to go over to CAA and what that was like and you were like great.

[148] A lot of resources, but just make sure you stay on top of it because like there's a lot of people there and you want to make sure that you're, you know, in the mix and on top of everything.

[149] And it's worked out well.

[150] Okay.

[151] I needed your advice.

[152] And you ride them like a runnyed horse?

[153] Absolutely.

[154] Yeah, no, it's been great.

[155] So thank you for that.

[156] Oh, sure.

[157] This little nugget of...

[158] Well, you know, everyone has different experiences for certain.

[159] In my experience, I have gotten almost nothing that I didn't kind of self -generate.

[160] You know, I just feel like if you're waiting around, you know, hoping someone's going to call you and be like, we did it.

[161] We went to their house in the middle of the night.

[162] We woke them up.

[163] We showed them you're real and they love you.

[164] They loved it.

[165] How do you feel about being in a superhero franchise?

[166] It hasn't happened for me. Yeah, yeah.

[167] I mean, I found like, because like you, I've been kind of...

[168] working in towards being a director.

[169] And that's kind of where I've been not focusing most of my energy, but a fair bit of I did a couple of music videos, got a feature coming up.

[170] You wanted to direct even when you were 12 when I met you.

[171] Yeah.

[172] Yeah, I remember when we were shooting this great film's Othura, where he actually, spoiler alert, played The Older Me. It's the only time, which was pretty crazy.

[173] I thought maybe you played his dad because of what you said at the beginning.

[174] I'm sorry, but it was a tease.

[175] Yeah, yep.

[176] Well, let's just be clear.

[177] The lines are blurred.

[178] At the time I was 29 and you were 12.

[179] Yes.

[180] So, yeah, I could have.

[181] Of course.

[182] You probably did.

[183] You're from Michigan.

[184] I'm from Kentucky.

[185] That's not the other realm of possible.

[186] But yeah, at that point, I mean, even since I was a kid at nine years old in Kentucky, I had a little like hi -eight cam or whatever, and I would get my friends to come together, and I had this great idea for a film.

[187] They would spend about an hour with me working on it, and then they would all want to do something more fun, and I would get angry.

[188] I didn't believe in my creative possibilities.

[189] so then you were you were wandering around set quite often with a video camera yeah well Favro John Favreau gave he said like hey go and shoot behind the scenes for me you'll be my B -roll guy I never turned in any footage and I never like but it gave me this feeling of like somebody like being like oh wow I like an established adult director is giving this 12 year old like a responsibility it wasn't real I don't I don't think oh it was very encouraging but it was extremely encouraging between that and waxing his like 1934 Ford Coo I had my hands full between sex.

[190] You were his errand boy.

[191] I was his errand boy, yeah.

[192] Well, I want to launch into Zethora, but before we do then, I want to call you out immediately.

[193] Call it, call it.

[194] So, you're here in this attic.

[195] Yes.

[196] Oh, no. Oh, yeah.

[197] Oh, yeah.

[198] But I invited you here, motherfucker.

[199] When did you learn me here?

[200] Six months ago, I have two numbers for you.

[201] And if I find out today that your numbers are the same, you and I are going to tangle assholes.

[202] Let's takele assholes, Amigo.

[203] Because I sent you.

[204] text to both numbers saying you should come on armchair.

[205] It's a possibility that I got them.

[206] Ghosted me. No response.

[207] Okay.

[208] All right.

[209] Let's get into it.

[210] I do not recall it, but I will tell you this much.

[211] I do have a very valid excuse.

[212] Tell me. I've been living in Spain for like the last year or so kind of off and on.

[213] I have bought an apartment over there, my girlfriend and I, and so I've been living kind of between the two.

[214] And the truth is, when I'm there, I have literally not responded to most of my friends.

[215] because I just sort of disappear into the Spanish culture.

[216] Oh, that's...

[217] And I enjoy it very thoroughly.

[218] However, I have some friends that are upset with me. And now I'm learning that you are in this group of things.

[219] Add me to the list, Hutcherson.

[220] I'm going to make a note right now.

[221] Yeah, opening up a file.

[222] Fucked over Dax, too.

[223] Sounds like a good excuse and it's fine.

[224] I'm totally buying that excuse.

[225] However...

[226] No, I accept that excuse and I think it's a great one.

[227] This is so...

[228] I'm so jealous hearing this.

[229] So I didn't even know you had a girlfriend.

[230] And then today, because it's weird to read about something that you've known for 14 years.

[231] But I came across a photo of you and your gal.

[232] What's her name?

[233] Claudia.

[234] Good.

[235] Crimeany, Monica.

[236] This gal is an 11 .5.

[237] She is so beautiful.

[238] Wait to you meet her.

[239] Okay.

[240] I hope you bring her to the Christmas party.

[241] She's in Spain right now.

[242] She's coming over after New Year's.

[243] Can we get her here by Saturday?

[244] I mean.

[245] Working, man. Well?

[246] She's a worker.

[247] Could she get the flu?

[248] I could, we could, we can, we have the, well, they have the Spanish flu, very famous flu.

[249] It's the fluth.

[250] The flu, have you picked up Spanish through dating her?

[251] I have, yeah.

[252] I'm going to test you right now.

[253] Me gust of monta -a -a -a -a -o -ro -pido.

[254] You like to ride a fast horse.

[255] God damn, he passed the test.

[256] That's the only line of Spanish.

[257] So she's Spanish.

[258] She's Spanish, yeah.

[259] He's from Madrid.

[260] Yeah, it's been five years.

[261] Oh, my goodness.

[262] Yeah, yeah.

[263] Five years.

[264] years she's the best two more years in kentucky you guys would be common law hell yeah and have at least seven children she'd be a grandma by now yeah exactly no we love kentucky we're not it's just so easy to make it's easy i know i'm from there and i i got on the side of my heartily i have the kentucky state outline on the side of the tank yeah i rep rep kentucky strong yeah they also had there was this great thing kentucky did um during like when there was like a big movement in kentucky legalized gay marriage and it was um hashtag kentucky pride chicken oh i like that and it was like the bucket with like rainbow colors and yeah i was like way to go kentucky kentucky pride chicken yeah do you know any do you know any history of colonel sanders i got obsessed one day i was like what is was he a colonel do anything about the guy i am technically a kentucky colonel you are i got honored that honor like oh the same way 15 but i don't i think he was like a more legit no no no No, he wasn't.

[265] Are we on the same playing field?

[266] He would, yes.

[267] And the colonel?

[268] A thousand percent.

[269] The colonel was in no way associated with the military in any capacity.

[270] Well, neither am I. He, that's that secret recipe, the special recipe, originated at a gas station.

[271] So he had a gas station chicken stand and he didn't franchise it.

[272] You know, some other guy saw this Kentucky Fried Chicken thought.

[273] This is a gold mine there, cash cow.

[274] And he kept the colonel.

[275] involved in a capacity, mostly ceremonial.

[276] He had a good look.

[277] His name was the colonel.

[278] But what the colonel would do, even though he didn't really have a big chunk of the company, is he spent the latter part of his life driving around his Cadillac all over the country, just popping in on Kentucky Fried Chickens to make sure they were being run to his standard.

[279] It's like undercover boss.

[280] But the least undercover guy in the world with the white suit.

[281] Be like, wait a second.

[282] Your face is on my chicken bucket.

[283] Monica, you're going to have to fact check all that.

[284] I just felt like I just felt like I gave you homework.

[285] I'm excited.

[286] But yeah, I got kind of obsessed with like, what kind of fucking, how are you a colonel?

[287] I don't know, anyway.

[288] So someone just gave him that title.

[289] Sounds like they're giving it away willy -nilly.

[290] Oh, I'm willy -nilly now all of a sudden.

[291] Well, you said you're not a colonel.

[292] I think it's like I am a colonel.

[293] I'm just not affiliated with the Army.

[294] I have a plaque that says Josh Hutcherson, blah, la, la, la, Kentucky Colonel.

[295] Wow.

[296] So can you add letters to your name?

[297] Can you like do CL?

[298] I really, I haven't looked into it, but maybe this is something you can.

[299] Find out if I need, if there's some letters I can add in.

[300] When you direct, please enter the DGA as Colonel Hutcherson.

[301] That would be so great.

[302] That would be great.

[303] That's a great directing name.

[304] You want to vote like even like this one.

[305] Oh, the colonel.

[306] And let's say you're in the DGA and you get the little form to vote, right?

[307] And you haven't seen a lot of those movies.

[308] Right.

[309] And but if you got by God, if you see the colonel, Colonel Hutcherson, you're like, you know, I'm going to give it to him.

[310] This guy's a colonel.

[311] I have no idea what the hell he film.

[312] Yeah.

[313] But this guy deserves an award.

[314] He's got the title.

[315] That's funny.

[316] Colonel Hutcherson.

[317] You know, my mom's maiden name is Fightmaster.

[318] Back up.

[319] What?

[320] Yeah.

[321] Michelle's maiden name.

[322] Michelle is Fight Master.

[323] Fight Master.

[324] Like, literally, the words Fight Master, no space.

[325] Why didn't you take that?

[326] Well, the truth is, because they didn't think that I would ever be successful.

[327] Okay.

[328] At nine years of age when I was like, I'm going to be in movies.

[329] Yeah.

[330] All right.

[331] I said, I got Josh Hutcherson.

[332] Which is like the hard.

[333] No show that I go on.

[334] almost any like print no late night show or anything pronounces my name right really just fight master yeah come on I'd got my ass kicked in school but oh you would have got killed I mean I'd have had like any teeth left yeah that's a big old invitation to whoop your ass but like my my grandfather my mom's dad he was like a kickboxer in Thailand and like the 90s or 80s get out of and he's also like a poet mensa he's like he's like my person in my family I look up to the most as like a creative and and he's had his issues with certain things in life But who hasn't.

[335] But yeah, he was fight master.

[336] That's what we would call a cosmopolitan man. A man who can womp some ass and write a beautiful poem and do some riddles.

[337] Apologize through a poem.

[338] And then solve some riddles.

[339] Yeah.

[340] That's him.

[341] What was what happened?

[342] No, he just, he had his issues with drugs and alcohol, you know, back in the day and things like that.

[343] I mean, he's young.

[344] He's only, he's like in his mid -60s right now.

[345] Oh, he is.

[346] Let me just tell you, before you even said that maybe he dabbled in drugs, when you tell me a guy's a poet kickboxer, I'm like, that fucking loves drugs.

[347] Because this is a guy whose sense of romance and self -aggrandizement.

[348] Look, I suffer from it.

[349] So I'm not calling the kettle black.

[350] This is, well, I guess I am calling the kettle black.

[351] But you're also saying, I'm a kettle.

[352] Yeah.

[353] Yeah.

[354] Yeah, but a guy who's like, fuck this poetry, man. I'm going to become a kickback champion in Thailand.

[355] Yeah.

[356] Also, you're in Thailand.

[357] I got to imagine you have some access back in the 80s.

[358] I would imagine.

[359] There was available.

[360] Did he have a big sexual appetite that you're aware of?

[361] Yes.

[362] And you want to know how I do it is as a fact.

[363] I'll give you two examples.

[364] One, my 18th birthday.

[365] Okay.

[366] And here we go.

[367] And my 18th birthday, I'm back in Kentucky with my family.

[368] We got like mixed family all around, you know, aunts, uncles, grandparents, the whole thing.

[369] And he says, you know, everybody's giving gifts and stuff.

[370] And he says, hey, Josh, I also have an unopened bondage bed that I haven't used.

[371] It's at my mom's house, my great grandma, his mother, whom he lived with at the time.

[372] And he was like, I got that if you want it.

[373] And from my whole family.

[374] And I'm like, no, no, no. Let's talk later.

[375] If you live at home with mom, you can't have a bondage bed.

[376] I think that that should also be in the rules.

[377] Then again, fuck it.

[378] Whatever.

[379] That's also.

[380] Great way to look at it.

[381] If you're 35, you live with your mom, you should have a bondage bed.

[382] Just because you're doing some crazy shit to be in that scenario.

[383] That's a great way to look at it.

[384] It's like, you know what?

[385] I already shit the bed on this thing, this journey of life.

[386] I'm going to go all the way with it.

[387] Why not?

[388] Just dive all the way in.

[389] So you didn't accept the bondage bed on me?

[390] I did not.

[391] Did you go take a look at it, though?

[392] I checked it out.

[393] It was actually opened.

[394] Oh, it was it was a false advertising?

[395] That's why I kind of was like, you know, I'm good.

[396] Yeah.

[397] Yeah, and I'll tell you one more quick story about why I know my grandfather had a voracious sexual appetite.

[398] Yeah.

[399] Was, I was at his house.

[400] He's battling cancer currently.

[401] He's had like a larynectomy.

[402] And so now he's got like the voice box and he can't speak anymore.

[403] He's got a stoma?

[404] Yeah.

[405] Oh, wow.

[406] So he's going through all that.

[407] Yeah, it's tough.

[408] He's fight master.

[409] He's kicking ass.

[410] Yeah.

[411] But I went down there and it was, he's actually staying in Long Beach right now.

[412] So it's nice.

[413] I want to make the worst joke in the world right now.

[414] Well, I mean, go ahead.

[415] Okay.

[416] Do you want to come in my bondage bed?

[417] I'm just trying to imagine how it sounds.

[418] There's different voice settings.

[419] Oh, there are?

[420] There's a real suavey, like nice.

[421] Like an after 8 p .m. voice?

[422] Yeah.

[423] I guess the technology has come very far.

[424] It has.

[425] Okay.

[426] Sorry.

[427] Sorry, Mr. Fightmaster.

[428] Yes, it's okay.

[429] He's got a good sense of humor.

[430] Okay.

[431] So I'm down at this house and we're talking, and this is like, I realize this is probably the last time, potentially I'm going to talk with my grandfather.

[432] And so we're there, my grandma's house, actually, all, like, kind of together talking and stuff.

[433] And he was talking about this woman that he found through Facebook that he used to be friends with, like, way back in the day.

[434] And she connected him with some kind of person that was able to get him this treatment done for a cost that he could afford because he didn't have the money to take care of his health care and all kinds of things.

[435] And so he's like super thankful.

[436] And I made a joke in passing being like, oh, was that the couple used to swing with?

[437] Okay.

[438] And he goes, yeah.

[439] Wait, did I tell you that?

[440] And I was like, oh, my, I'm just throwing darts in the dark here, and I just hit bull's eye.

[441] Like, literally just nailed it that my, my grandpa was swinging with another couple.

[442] Oh, wow.

[443] And I was just like, wow, good for him.

[444] Really good for him.

[445] But he and grandma, there's no way they stay married with his proclivities.

[446] He's been married seven times.

[447] Oh, my, you guys, is he a colonel?

[448] He might be.

[449] He should, honestly, he could be anything.

[450] I don't know.

[451] He should be a major colonel.

[452] Yeah.

[453] Wow.

[454] He's a helpless romantic, which I, like, I love.

[455] And he always, he gives himself over to everything 100 % and believes in what he's doing, a thousand percent.

[456] And that's the thing that I saw from a young age.

[457] He was, I mean, my whole family was always very supportive.

[458] There's no one that was like, you'll never succeed.

[459] But it was, like, realistic more than anything.

[460] And he was someone that, you know, at a young age, he was teaching me, like, how to write, like, with, like, calligraphy.

[461] Okay, with a quill.

[462] With a quill and, like, just exploring all.

[463] all these kind of facets of the mind and, you know, that world for a young kid that is naturally disposition towards being drawn to that and didn't have an outlet for that necessarily.

[464] It was something that really did fuel that creative and explorative mind that I've kind of, like, developed over my life.

[465] Yeah.

[466] Wait, real quick.

[467] Do you know calligraphy?

[468] Not, not anymore.

[469] I can, I can't even really read cursive at this point.

[470] Oh, well.

[471] Okay.

[472] It only took a backslide.

[473] I'm dying to learn calligraphy.

[474] Once I got bond into the bondage bed thing, calligraphy kind of became, you know.

[475] Took a baggie.

[476] Once he started introducing you to other things.

[477] Oh, fuck call it.

[478] Yeah, exactly.

[479] Okay.

[480] So, now you and I, weirdly, we have, we basically have the almost exact same span of a career because you started working at what, maybe 10 years old.

[481] Yeah.

[482] I was like nine.

[483] And I had been working for a couple years.

[484] And then we met on Zathura.

[485] Yep.

[486] And there's so many things we could talk about.

[487] There's so many.

[488] First of all, I just loved you immediately.

[489] I really liked you.

[490] We hit it off.

[491] I was like, Big Brother, we get it.

[492] Let's do it, yeah.

[493] Yeah, and in fact, I think because I've always wanted kids, I was like, oh, man, if I had a little guy like this who was on fire.

[494] I was your test dummy.

[495] Yeah.

[496] I was like your tester.

[497] Yeah.

[498] Test run of what it would be like to have a 12 -year -old son.

[499] That's right.

[500] But Josh was just so cute, and so was Jonah Bobo, that little kid.

[501] Oh, yeah.

[502] Oh, my God.

[503] What a cute little.

[504] He's like a real rock.

[505] Roller now.

[506] He is a talented motherfucker.

[507] I've kept in contact with him as well and occasionally when I'm in New York I'll go see he and his family.

[508] They live like on Roosevelt Island.

[509] Yeah, that's right.

[510] That's right.

[511] So I've hung with him and you know, interestingly, you guys did that movie and I totally empathize with this which is your parents were fine like this is what he wants to do and I think his parents were a little nervous about him becoming a movie star I guess he was what eight years old or something?

[512] He was younger, yeah.

[513] I think he was like seven or eight What's so cute is his teeth kept falling out during the movie.

[514] So they kept having to make different, different, like, retainers with different teeth and stuff.

[515] The flippers.

[516] They come the flippers.

[517] Yeah, and then he'd have to be learning to talk with this thing.

[518] It was horrible.

[519] He visibly changes in that movie.

[520] Like, if you, because it was the longest movie I've today been on where I think it was like a five -month shoot.

[521] And I joined half a lot.

[522] It was like 90 -something shooting days.

[523] Yeah.

[524] And so this little kid, like, he transformed.

[525] But so anyways, when that happened, I thought, oh, here was my fear of Jonah Bobo not acting.

[526] I was like, here's this little environment where this kid is so celebrated for what he's great at, which is like he was a great little impover.

[527] He had this huge imagination.

[528] And my fear was like, oh, he's going to go to some school and get his ass beat because he's not like a jock.

[529] This is what I was thinking.

[530] Well, lo and behold, I go visit him on Roosevelt Island.

[531] That day he hit a grand slam in like this fucking city championship baseball game.

[532] Then he would go inside.

[533] He plays guitar.

[534] He can play every Led Zeppelin song.

[535] And I'm like, oh, he did just fine.

[536] fine yeah and then he hadn't even acted in forever and i think he decided to like give it another spin and then he immediately got himself in that movie crazy stupid love that was like his first audition back yeah yeah yeah and he lands in this great movie i'm like oh this kid's just got he's charmed you're like maybe dacks i'll get off my high horse and not worry about these people they're gonna be just fine they're doing just fine yeah yeah okay but there's so many wonderful things that happened during that movie um one is you and i used to go i would pick you up at the oakwood apartments oh yeah and people on here have heard us talk about the Oakwood Apartments because there's this great documentary the complex the Hollywood Complex have you watched that documentary yes you have what kind of feelings did it give you you know it's weird because Oakwood has such a like a double like memory in my mind one of which is some of the greatest years in my life because I was like a young kid from a small town in Kentucky came out here and all of a sudden I fit in like there was group of young kids between the ages of 8 to 16 that all were here because they were from Florida, Texas, Michigan, Kentucky.

[537] And they were all coming out here because they didn't fit in and they had this other dream.

[538] And so all of a sudden, I was, I found like a, like a tribe.

[539] Yeah, so to speak.

[540] And I wasn't thinking about competition.

[541] I wasn't thinking about like, oh, that guy over there.

[542] He's like going to beat.

[543] I was a kid.

[544] I was just enjoying the experience.

[545] Well, you were also fucking crushing.

[546] Let's just say that.

[547] You had a very good run.

[548] That has the dark side of it because what happened was even at oakwood like when i started getting callbacks and when i started getting like directors meetings for whatever it was i felt like a tonal shift in how i was viewed and all of a sudden you became like oakwood famous or you became like known and and the competition with the parents is the crazy thing i had a time when i was like maybe 10 years old and i had just gotten i think the polar express was a movie that i had just done or or some audition or something and there's a callback that i was going out for in this group of moms like three moms came up to me. I was alone in the clubhouse area and they came up to me and they're like hey we heard you're doing a callback we're so proud of you.

[549] I'm like oh thank you and they're like hey would you mind showing us how you're going to do the scene because we want to help our son because he's going for the same callback as you and we'd love to like for you to help us and I was like at 10 did you recognize like oh that's I recognize that this was weird as shit yeah okay but at the same time I was like taught to respect people taught to like help when you can taught to, you know, treat people the way you want to be treated.

[550] And so I was like, okay, yeah, sure.

[551] And, okay, I was like, I don't know the lines, though.

[552] This is me doing my younger voice.

[553] I don't know the lines, though.

[554] Oh, that's really good.

[555] And thank you.

[556] And, uh, thank you.

[557] And, uh, and then they're like, okay, we'll go grab the sides for you.

[558] Just wait here.

[559] And I was like, okay, they left.

[560] I bolted back to the house.

[561] I was like, this is an uh -oh feeling.

[562] I'm getting out of here.

[563] Yeah.

[564] Nothing ever came of it.

[565] But there is that duality of the Oakwood that I do remember.

[566] Yeah.

[567] Anyways, I digress.

[568] You would pick me up.

[569] from the Oakwood.

[570] No, no. This is exactly what I want to talk about is the Oakwood.

[571] Because what was cute is your mom, Michelle, I remember saying like, oh, you guys are living at the Oakwood.

[572] And you'd been there for a bit.

[573] Yeah.

[574] Oh, yeah.

[575] You were on year two or three there, I guess.

[576] I did seven in total.

[577] Oh, my goodness.

[578] Yeah.

[579] Many of which in like a mirror pull down bed.

[580] I think that was like the one we had.

[581] Yeah.

[582] And I was like, do you like it, Michelle, over at the Oakwood?

[583] And your mom was like, no, but he loves it.

[584] Almost, I think she felt primarily because there was a buffet there.

[585] Oh, it was like a little porker, man. I was a real little stocky son of a bitch.

[586] Donuts?

[587] I mean, to this day, still are.

[588] But every Sunday at the Oakwood, they would give out, like, they had like a breakfast buffet.

[589] The buffet was just 30 types of donuts.

[590] Oh, wow.

[591] And, like, concentrate, like, apple juice and orange juice.

[592] It's like a Holiday and Express buffet.

[593] It's not like they cooked any of the food, right?

[594] It's all microwave.

[595] Express actually has, like, microwaved some of theirs.

[596] This was not, no. But I loved it.

[597] So that was a big draw for me. Yes.

[598] That is true.

[599] And you get to run around all the time with all these little kids.

[600] And there's like basketball courts and I played sports.

[601] So like it was like an athletic thing and, you know, going from Kentucky to where as a kid, sports is your life.

[602] You know, I played baseball, basketball, soccer, like all of it.

[603] And like coming out here, all of a sudden I was homeschooled.

[604] I didn't have like that normal like school environment.

[605] Yeah.

[606] So I found my like tribe or like my kind of camaraderie through, through the Oakwood.

[607] Were any of the kids you were friends with at the Oakwoods now huge actors?

[608] huge Jackmans was Hugh Jackman there Hugh Jackman was there okay you served the breakfast I was there between like 2001 to like 2007 8 off and on kind of I mean when I was there was like in the day of like Hillary Duff was kind of just passing through like early Hillary Duff when that was kind of around there was Frankie Munez was there back in the day I mean he used to drive around in the car from Fast and the Furious Yeah, he bought, he got and I was obsessed with it.

[609] Yeah, he spent a lot of money on that.

[610] So he was still living at the Oakwoods, and he drove a fast in the furious car.

[611] Oakwoods is not cheap.

[612] Let's make this clear.

[613] Oh, okay.

[614] This place, it's, I mean, from being from Kentucky.

[615] It is not just like, they have great amenities.

[616] Hi, I'm Josh Hutchers.

[617] Yeah, yeah.

[618] They renamed it.

[619] What is it called?

[620] Like the Barham Apartments or something.

[621] It looks way hoity tooyy now because I used to pass it on the way to Warner Brothers all the time.

[622] And I'm like, what?

[623] What is this?

[624] A fucking retirement community down?

[625] Did they do a 180 and now they're servicing the...

[626] I highly doubt anything has changed inside of one of those apartments.

[627] Yeah.

[628] But you can still...

[629] You know, you can cover a turd in diamonds.

[630] It's still a turd, isn't it?

[631] But I remember back in that time when you would come pick me up, we would do...

[632] There was two things.

[633] We go to Bob's Big Boy.

[634] That's right for the old car night on Friday nights.

[635] On Friday nights, which every now and then I still go to.

[636] Me too.

[637] Really fun.

[638] I'll be like on a round.

[639] on Friday I'd be ride my motorcycle and be like oh my god I gotta I'm gonna swing my bobs and just roll through it's so fun it's really fun and then I also remember you would take me and you had like a Porsche boxer at the time not a come on it wasn't a box I thought you had a boxer because I was 9 -11 are you are you sure am I sure it was green it was green oh my god you think it's green it was like it was like a forest green it was black with a black convertible top which I would have never gotten a convertible but I bought this car off Matthew Lillard okay and it was a 9 -11.

[640] It was a 9 -11.

[641] I got a hell of a deal.

[642] Unlike Munez, I got a fucking sweet deal on that car.

[643] Yeah.

[644] All right.

[645] I remember, I remember, like, that was the first time that I had experienced someone who knew how to drive driving a car, and I about shit my pants.

[646] And I remember, I was just like trying to be cool, because dad's like this cool, like, older actor.

[647] I was like, my big brother trying to be cool.

[648] And I was like, I'm not going to tell my mom about this, because I'm pretty sure we almost died seven turns in a row.

[649] I this is one of my shame -filled moments that I still think about I think about it every time I come up on the 170 101 split because there was a moment where we were driving down the 101 and I go you want to go fast and you go yes and then we we were flying and then we cut from the 170 trajectory onto the 101 and you go not too fast and I realized oh he's scared like I really scared him and I felt terrible then.

[650] And I still, I think about that every time I'm on that split, I'm like, poor Josh.

[651] He was probably like wanting to say not, yes, for a long time before he said it.

[652] I would say it's probably true.

[653] Oh, it is so bad.

[654] But I will absolve you of your sins because the truth is I love going fast.

[655] And maybe it's because of that moment perhaps.

[656] Okay.

[657] But ever since then, I've been.

[658] Well, you live through that.

[659] I've always loved cars.

[660] I've always been like, you know, into cars and racing and everything.

[661] And, you know, since that time, I've been obsessed with it.

[662] Well, I stupidly, because you were 12, and when I was 12, a couple different times I went for a ride in fast cars.

[663] And it's still my favorite memory of being alive.

[664] So I was like, oh, he'll love this.

[665] I remember, you know, yeah, going like 1 .30 with my stepdad in a corvette and going like, oh, this is, I want to live at this speed.

[666] I think I remember, I have, for me, more than even that speed and cutting across.

[667] the 1017101 interchange.

[668] Number one lane and number six lane.

[669] Yes, exactly.

[670] That was a big one.

[671] But I remember being more scared when we were on Mall Holland.

[672] Oh, okay.

[673] Because I had never, yeah, it's super windy.

[674] And Dax is, you know, a decent driver at the time at least.

[675] Motherfucker, look behind me. You see all these trophies?

[676] I just wanted to trigger you.

[677] Yeah, you did.

[678] I'm not going to start holding them in this interview.

[679] MSA racing trophies.

[680] I know.

[681] So it was for me as the first time being in a car with someone, basically, other than my parent or relative.

[682] And all of a sudden we're in a Porsche 9 -11 and we're going on Mall Holland and just like, I'm like, I don't think you can go this fast into this turn.

[683] I don't think that you should be pressing down for more gas right now and just like shitting my but I love it.

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[701] Okay, here's the other really great story that happened.

[702] I've told this story on talk shows, by the way.

[703] I've probably told this story a hundred times since it happened.

[704] Okay.

[705] But you were 12 and your cute little brother, Connor, was seven, right?

[706] Was he seven turning eight?

[707] Probably, yeah.

[708] You know this story, Monica.

[709] It's the best story that could have.

[710] ever happened.

[711] I don't know.

[712] So your little eight -year -old brother was obsessed with Ken Jennings.

[713] Oh, yes.

[714] Have you never told this story on a talk show?

[715] I have.

[716] I told us on a talk show.

[717] I have.

[718] That's a really great story.

[719] It's the best story.

[720] It's a really great story.

[721] So he was obsessed with Ken Jennings.

[722] If you don't remember, Ken Jennings had won like 180 times in a row on Jeopardy.

[723] Like the legend.

[724] Connor had a poster of him in his bedroom.

[725] Connor, my brother, my brother had two posters in his bedding.

[726] bedroom okay one was ken jennings and one was yow man from survivor oh i don't you know the show survivor i remember the show but there was like this old old like wise asian man that my brother idolized i'm gonna be one or not but like my brother just like i love yow man i love ken jennings does connor now work at nassar or anything i mean graduate from georgia tech with an industrial engineering degree oh great and he moved out here oh great yeah and so now he's kind of futsin around out here trying to find where he wants to do but i think he's going to try to get into the music industry as an engineer working within some analytics.

[727] I mean, if you wrote a movie and you had an eight -year -old in it and you put those posters on the wall on the set, people go, come on, dude, no one, no eight -year -old would love Ken Jennings and wow -wow man. What was it?

[728] Yow man. Yow man. Okay, so he's obsessed with Ken Jennings, and it's his birthday.

[729] And we are shooting the movie Zethora 100 feet from the Jeopardy soundstage where they on Sony record the show.

[730] Yep.

[731] So your mother brings Connor out to visit you.

[732] and celebrate his birthday.

[733] And as a big surprise, she got tickets for Jeopardy.

[734] And she takes young Connor there.

[735] He's so excited.

[736] We see him right before he goes in.

[737] We wish him luck.

[738] Happy birthday, Connor.

[739] Have a blast.

[740] They come out an hour and a half later.

[741] Connor is in tears.

[742] He is inconsolable.

[743] I'm like, did someone die on the show?

[744] That would have been better.

[745] It was the fucking episode Ken Jennings lost.

[746] Yeah.

[747] Oh, happy birthday, Conner.

[748] man, Jesus Christ.

[749] That couldn't have been scripted.

[750] That's terrible.

[751] Being an eight -year -old kid, you're idle.

[752] Like, one of two posters in your room.

[753] And you literally go to see the show.

[754] He's won't 180 -something in a row.

[755] Yeah, he can't lose.

[756] No, there's no way he's losing.

[757] On your birthday, the guilt that you must fill.

[758] Yeah.

[759] It's a young eight -year -old lad.

[760] You jinx can.

[761] It's like, it is my fault.

[762] I think maybe to this day, that might be, like, a source of many of his issues.

[763] You should talk to this therapist about that.

[764] I wonder, does he enjoy?

[765] general have bad luck no he doesn't no okay that was an isolated he really doesn't i think that that that amount of bad luck that he felt at that moment like did his time with the bad luck department for many years okay okay i mean just listen to what we're talking about it's such a surreal life to be a young kid who ends up being a star of zithura and then you add on to it that you got a little brother and then he gets to go see jeopardy the whole thing is so whose eight -year -old birthday was that it's just so bonkers, isn't it?

[766] I love it.

[767] I love that's, I love that original, that originality, the uniqueness, those kind of life experiences.

[768] That just is like, that's gold for me. Yeah, I hope he thinks about it often.

[769] Yeah, I'd like to get him in Canada together at some point.

[770] It could be really healing.

[771] You know, like, in Scientology, they have this thing called N -grams and they think when you've had trauma, you kind of, you kind of attach all these other things that happened during the trauma and then those things could trigger you throughout life and then you go back and you confront the trauma and then you disconnect all these things.

[772] Okay, I'm not a proponent of Scientology but that's one concept I think it's kind of intriguing.

[773] It's like a basic psychological approach to like therapy.

[774] I wouldn't be surprised if Connor's triggered by bright lights applause older men in suits like he might have attached all these things and I think we need to get he and Ken together and just work through this.

[775] I will, yeah, I will facilitate that.

[776] Okay, great.

[777] Let's see if I can find that.

[778] It's good yow man to mediate.

[779] Now, the other thing that was interesting, solely homeschooled.

[780] Mm -hmm.

[781] Do you know anything?

[782] Not really.

[783] I mean, are you missing some big chunks?

[784] Because that's a lot to task Michelle with, to be a teacher of all subjects.

[785] Yeah.

[786] In every grade.

[787] No, I think of myself as a pretty, educated guy i don't think i could take a kid through k through 12 no no no no i and i definitely could not pass okay if i went to i went to the billy madison school i would the company would go right away yeah i uh no so so yeah i started when i was i guess like fourth grade is kind of when i stopped i went to public school into fourth grade um in kentucky and then that's when i started acting and then i was homeschooled and various forms of homeschooling slash like away study and all these things set teachers set teacher i had i had a studio teacher There's the same guy for like seven years.

[788] Oh, yeah, he was on Sathura.

[789] Yeah, his name was Pat Jackson.

[790] Oh, yeah, Pat, nice guy.

[791] He's super nice guy.

[792] And he was absolutely formidable in my, like, development as a youth.

[793] And how I see the world, how I problem solve, how I think about so many things that I use on a daily basis.

[794] Oh, wow.

[795] However, certain subjects that took a backseat, took a real backseat, such as many of the major ones.

[796] Like, you know, I, for example.

[797] What do you think your math level was at?

[798] Right now?

[799] No. Like when you were like through your 18, like when someone's math level should be 12th grade.

[800] Oh, for sure, like probably seventh.

[801] Okay.

[802] Seventh, maybe eighth grade.

[803] Mm -hmm.

[804] I mean, I like math.

[805] I enjoyed algebra.

[806] I like problem solving.

[807] But then I just got too bogged down.

[808] I was just, I was a thinker.

[809] I was a thinker and a dreamer and I living inside of textbooks or of learning about things that I knew.

[810] I knew what I was going to be doing in my life.

[811] I was going to be working in this business.

[812] I was going to be directing, acting, creating films.

[813] Like that's what I knew I was going to do.

[814] Right.

[815] And there were certain things that I had deemed.

[816] necessary to learn.

[817] Exactly, certain elements like that.

[818] But, I mean, the truth is, like, after, I would say, I mean, I didn't, I don't have a GED.

[819] I didn't graduate high school.

[820] Congratulations.

[821] Thank you.

[822] I did, like, the California high school proficiency exam at the age of 16, which is basically testing out of high school.

[823] Okay.

[824] That way you can work as an adult.

[825] The test was so easy.

[826] Oh, it was.

[827] Like, a sixth grader could have passed the high school proficiency exam of California.

[828] So if you're a young actor out there, that's the route to taste.

[829] Do not finish school.

[830] I don't know.

[831] No, you know, the thing is, like, I was good at school if I wanted to be.

[832] Like, I was like the kid.

[833] You're a smart kid.

[834] I could figure shit out.

[835] I could, I knew how to beat tests.

[836] I knew, like, what that whole thing was.

[837] I just couldn't give a rat's ass to be there.

[838] I had so many other things I'd rather be doing with my time, creating, imagining, playing, sports, anything else, except for being locked in a room with someone trying to tell me things I think are very unimportant.

[839] And just, like, the structure of it, it just never really clicked with who I was.

[840] Yeah.

[841] And maybe it sounds like bullshit.

[842] because every kid's like, yeah, duh.

[843] School didn't connect with who you were.

[844] You don't have to be an actor to feel that way.

[845] Exactly, yeah.

[846] But nevertheless, I felt that way and I didn't really do school.

[847] Were you aware of the fact when you were that age that you had a ton of money?

[848] Like, were you cognizant of that?

[849] I mean, yes and no. It was like, you know, my family always wanted to provide a great life for myself and my brother and our family as a whole.

[850] And your dad worked at the EPA.

[851] My dad works, he still does.

[852] Still does.

[853] My mom worked for Delta Airlines.

[854] Is there even one left for him to work?

[855] Barely.

[856] Barely.

[857] They pretty much just sit around and guard like recycle bins now.

[858] Poor acetane into the river.

[859] That's pretty much.

[860] Yeah, my mom worked for Delta.

[861] So like, but they always, like my mom's mentality was always very much like, we may not have the money to do this, but we're going to do this anyways.

[862] Okay, good, yeah.

[863] Such as like, you know, taking family vacations every year, you know, like having a nice house for us to live in.

[864] Yeah, you guys had an, I saw a picture of your house.

[865] It was nice.

[866] Yeah, it was great.

[867] And it was a very middle class, upper middle class, Kentucky suburban living.

[868] But, you know, that also causes debt in credit card debt.

[869] And so as a kid, like, when I started working and making money, my first objective and goal was I was aware of it for whatever reasons that my parents had this debt.

[870] And I was like, I just want everybody to be even and good.

[871] So it's like, pay all that off.

[872] Let's like, so in my mind, I was only where I was because of my family supporting me. As a nine -year -old kid, I recognize that...

[873] Well, it's true, your mother dedicated, Michelle, who, again, if I haven't put too fine a point on it, I love your mom.

[874] Yeah, she's the cutest, sweetest lady.

[875] Yeah, she's actually the, like, she runs my production company with me now.

[876] So we are very much, like, yeah, and she's fantastic.

[877] Can she get a hold of you when you're in Spain?

[878] Barely.

[879] Okay, honestly, barely.

[880] It's been an issue.

[881] I'm trying to get better on it.

[882] But no, so I think that, I mean, when I, my first paycheck that I got when I was a kid, I bought a dirt bike.

[883] Like, I'd always wanted a dirt bike.

[884] Never was like, that was like an unrealistic thing for me to just get given by my family.

[885] Sure.

[886] So I was like, screw it.

[887] I'm getting the fucking dirt bike.

[888] And did they object to that?

[889] Were they like, no. If we let him do this, he's going to be a spoiled little shit.

[890] Not really.

[891] It was, I mean, I think I imagine.

[892] I would have been like, no, hey, y 'all, this is my money.

[893] I'm going to buy a dirt bike.

[894] I know.

[895] That's the, I think, like, I try to put myself in their shoes as a parent.

[896] And all of a sudden, you have this 10 -year -old kid that's making, like, significant money.

[897] Yeah.

[898] And not to mention also, like, the trust fund that automatically goes into.

[899] Yeah, what's the name of that law?

[900] The something...

[901] Oh, about the boy?

[902] Yeah.

[903] There's that rule that they have to put 20 % of what you're making.

[904] It's like 20 % of what you're making.

[905] It goes into an account.

[906] It goes to a name.

[907] And the account...

[908] I always called it a trust fund.

[909] I didn't know if there was an...

[910] It's probably...

[911] No, it's called like the Colonel's account.

[912] It's named after a boy.

[913] Who got fucking robbed blind by his parents, yeah.

[914] Thankfully, I've never been concerned about that.

[915] But, you know, the trust fund was there anyways.

[916] But, yeah, so my...

[917] I just imagine being a parent and all of a sudden, like, at some point, your son is making, your child is making more money than you are as a household.

[918] To me. And that just seems like such a mind fuck and like just the dynamic of parenting what that means.

[919] And the power.

[920] Rounding the breadwinner.

[921] Exactly.

[922] Go to your room.

[923] Fuck you.

[924] I own this room.

[925] What are you talking about?

[926] You go to your room.

[927] I own this house.

[928] Yeah.

[929] But you know, what's interesting is like my room.

[930] They're all my room.

[931] You go to my other room, which is your bedroom.

[932] No, but what's interesting about that is even before that dynamic existed, my parents had approached parenting with my brother and myself in a very mutual respect kind of way.

[933] Yeah, they kind of treated you like a little adult.

[934] They did.

[935] But what would you, which you deserved, by the way, knowing you as a little kid?

[936] Yeah, but that could have been cultivated by them, to be honest.

[937] But I do feel like that then paved the way for once that power dynamic was weird, it wasn't.

[938] Because it was like we all saw, we saw each other.

[939] as equals and you know we talked to each other we didn't there wasn't like a if my parents said you can't do this and i'd say why the the words because i said so because i'm your mom yeah that didn't really exist oh that's great because if she said that i would be like okay thanks for the lesson yeah like you didn't teach it why can't i do that explain to me why and then i will actually learn and so because of that they made us think for ourselves they made us like make judgment calls you know have a moral compass and treat people the way you want to be treated it was another golden rule that I was raised with.

[940] Yeah.

[941] Well, because it gets tricky because, and I would think this often with you and Jonah on set, it does, you can't help but recognize, oh, all these people kind of work to support the thing I'm doing.

[942] It's just the actual inescapable dynamic of a set where all this stuff is happening.

[943] People are painting sets and they're putting cameras in position, all ultimately for you to say some words in front of that camera.

[944] And so they're going to try to make, it is easy for you to do that as possible and you can get aware of the fact like oh i'm above these people that's dicey for a kid i think yeah i guess i never really looked at it that way no i didn't act that way i didn't feel that way and and to this day i still don't but still like at a young age i was enamored with the entire process of filmmaking yeah from the grips to the special you loved uh what was the prop master who we love bob it bob it bob it yeah of course yeah you guys That whole thing.

[945] You made like a potato launcher.

[946] And the special effects guys, yeah.

[947] And the camera, I would go on the camera truck at rap and just be like, do coke.

[948] Okay, so you take the...

[949] Just bang a couple lines back.

[950] Bang out a couple of lines and check out some anamorphic lenses.

[951] Yeah, I'm just like you.

[952] Other word, anamorphic and Colombian bang bang meant the same.

[953] Colombian bang, bang.

[954] I was obsessed with the entire process of filmmaking.

[955] So because of that, there was never like a, my job is more...

[956] And it just never, it never, and that wasn't my upbringing.

[957] Like, you know, treat people the way you want to be treated.

[958] Yeah.

[959] And that was it.

[960] Like, I want to treat everybody with respect and dignity.

[961] And I'm trying to remember there was this, because you still had your cute Kentucky accent.

[962] Well, you.

[963] And in fact, Kristen and I were buying a bed about six years ago.

[964] We went to this, like, mattress warehouse.

[965] Okay.

[966] And the guy said about six words.

[967] And I go, let me guess.

[968] You're from northern Kentucky.

[969] And he goes, God damn, how'd you get that?

[970] Because he sounded just like you.

[971] And I'm trying to remember the word you had to say.

[972] There was, it was, uh, phone home.

[973] Was that what, yeah, you said like, phone.

[974] Phone home.

[975] Yeah, you couldn't say.

[976] It was like this weird, almost like Canadian, Midwestern.

[977] It was very, it, it wasn't straight up like full long Kentucky Southern accent.

[978] Right.

[979] But it was, it was like some weird like home.

[980] But we had to do about 14 takes to get.

[981] I couldn't say home.

[982] So you were 12.

[983] What was Kristen Stewart?

[984] 15?

[985] She was 15 or 14?

[986] Were you, were you in love with her?

[987] 100 % Oh, you had to be right?

[988] She was the coolest person that I'd ever met.

[989] Yeah, she was just so cool and she had her...

[990] Remember her dog Jack?

[991] No?

[992] He's like part wolf like this and her mom was super cool she played the guitar in her trailer I was like Oh my God I feel like I was like I'm a man You can date me Of course I'm 12 years old Yeah You see this this pudge That's for you This is for you honey That cushion's for the pushing Girl You must have just Because if I was 12 and I was working with her, the 14 or 15 year old, I would have just been Gaga over her.

[993] I feel like I played it pretty cool.

[994] I think so.

[995] I don't remember being too, like, anxious, but I definitely was like, she's beautiful, she's cool as shit, she's talented.

[996] It was like a big -time crush at the time.

[997] Yeah.

[998] But I remember on my 12th birthday, I was having at the Pins Bowling Alley.

[999] Yes, I went.

[1000] Yeah, you were there.

[1001] Kristen came, during shooting, I believe.

[1002] The cake and all that stuff.

[1003] Kristen kind of walks up to me and just her hands behind her back.

[1004] I'm like, am I going to get kissed?

[1005] Am I going to get kissed?

[1006] I'm sure I was like just freaking out.

[1007] She's like, so it's your birthday.

[1008] I want to give you a present.

[1009] I was like, oh, yeah, okay, what's up?

[1010] What kind of present?

[1011] You got a...

[1012] And she brings her hands out, and she's got a turtle.

[1013] Like a living little turtle, a Chilean something turtle.

[1014] And I'm like...

[1015] I got you a responsibility for you.

[1016] Happy birthday.

[1017] She's like, yeah, they live to be 85.

[1018] Oh, my goodness.

[1019] He's less than one.

[1020] I'm like, what?

[1021] Yeah.

[1022] I got you some homework for your birthday.

[1023] For the next 85 years.

[1024] Where is that turtle?

[1025] It's been dead for a while.

[1026] It has.

[1027] Yeah, we went out of town in Kentucky, and our neighbor was supposed to take care of the turtle.

[1028] It was wintertime.

[1029] I didn't put the heating pad underneath.

[1030] Total froze to death.

[1031] Oh, boy.

[1032] Well, you know, they say that's a very peaceful way to go.

[1033] So I hear.

[1034] No, really.

[1035] The people on Everest who die, yeah, like, I'm sure leading up to it.

[1036] Some people have been revived as they were, like, falling out up at Everest.

[1037] Oh, wow.

[1038] Yeah, they say in that ice cold with things.

[1039] spixia.

[1040] It's very nice and gentle.

[1041] You surrender to it easily.

[1042] Oh, wow.

[1043] So I like to think that this little guy.

[1044] Maybe he passed, his name was Bob.

[1045] Staring up at Ken Jennings.

[1046] I've got bad habits.

[1047] I've got bad habits.

[1048] Bad, like a record with some pets.

[1049] You do?

[1050] Yeah, I had a hamster named Culeo that died, hung himself.

[1051] Oh.

[1052] Committed suicide.

[1053] Committed suicide.

[1054] There's a note.

[1055] It was rough.

[1056] I came home from school.

[1057] I was in like kindergarten.

[1058] It has a little hamster.

[1059] It was like the wire cage.

[1060] Oh, boy.

[1061] And I came, he was an asshole.

[1062] That little hamster was an asshole.

[1063] You couldn't touch him.

[1064] Apparently, at the time I wasn't so sensitive.

[1065] This was back in like 2002.

[1066] We weren't so woke, guys.

[1067] All right.

[1068] Hurt people, hurt people, Josh.

[1069] I always say that shit.

[1070] But anyways, I came in and I looked over my hamster cage, his hamster cage.

[1071] And he was just like stuck there on the side.

[1072] He wasn't moving.

[1073] I was like, cool you?

[1074] And I went over.

[1075] And I like, yeah, your little boy voice is great.

[1076] I went over and I pushed him And he kind of just like rocks back and forth Like rigamortis had set in Yeah yeah it was it was rough Anyways I digress Now you went from Zethora And you did Bridge to Terabithia And that was a big hit Right And you shot that in New Zealand Did you fall in love with that co -star Sort of Yeah I just imagine When I imagine your life How are you not going to?

[1077] Who was it?

[1078] And you're not in, you're not in, you're not in class.

[1079] You're not in a school.

[1080] So it's like basically you're on a deserted island at all times.

[1081] And we were in New Zealand, on an island.

[1082] On an actual island?

[1083] North Island or South?

[1084] North.

[1085] Okay, right.

[1086] It was actually, that movie took place in Virginia and they doubled New Zealand for Virginia.

[1087] Well, I did the same thing for Oregon.

[1088] I was like, what?

[1089] You shot New Zealand for Oregon?

[1090] Yeah, and without a paddle, that was set in Oregon.

[1091] Yeah, yeah, I mean, that was a little more wildernessy, though, I feel like.

[1092] It was like the mountains, the rivers.

[1093] This one just took place in a small forest, and we actually found a forest in New Zealand that had planted trees from Virginia.

[1094] Oh, good for them.

[1095] They've probably taken over the whole island.

[1096] And that was Walden Media.

[1097] Oh.

[1098] And so they really aren't around anymore, and maybe it's because they were shooting movies that were supposed to be Virginia in New Zealand.

[1099] I don't know.

[1100] I don't know.

[1101] But so that girl, were you guys the same age?

[1102] We were the same age, yeah.

[1103] And did you become boyfriend, girlfriend?

[1104] It was like one of those, like, innocent, like, boyfriend, girlfriend, like, we kissed and I was like, I'm in love with you for the rest of my life.

[1105] Of course.

[1106] Was it your first kiss?

[1107] No, my first kiss was on set, though.

[1108] It was.

[1109] It was this movie I did called Little Manhattan.

[1110] Yeah.

[1111] I did that when I was, like, 10 or 11 years old.

[1112] Actually, I guess it was probably right before as a third of time.

[1113] It was, yeah.

[1114] I remember, oh, my, I was so nervous.

[1115] Oh, God.

[1116] And since I was a kid, I was a helpless romantic.

[1117] Like, as a child, I was, like, falling love in kindergarten.

[1118] Yeah.

[1119] And I remember, like, a kiss was so important to me. And my first kiss was going to happen on set in front of, like, a crew of, like, 40.

[1120] About 50 -year -old dudes drinking coffee and hacking out their cigarette.

[1121] Exactly.

[1122] And so it was less than romantic.

[1123] Go get her kid.

[1124] All right.

[1125] Layed on her, buddy.

[1126] Yeah, and I remember my dad flew in to, like, support me for that time because, like, it was, like, a dad and his son.

[1127] Oh, yeah.

[1128] Passing of a right of passage.

[1129] Right of passage.

[1130] And it's like my bar mitzvah, basically.

[1131] This is another part I think would be really hard as a child actor is, because I get it as an adult, you go away to a movie on location, you become best friends with everybody.

[1132] It's this camp.

[1133] And then you go home and you're like, well, wait, where is everybody?

[1134] And that's kind of the end.

[1135] And I would imagine that'd be even harder as a kid.

[1136] Yeah, it was.

[1137] You know, it was kind of this thing where, like, at that point, my dad and my brother were still living in Kentucky.

[1138] And my mom and I were out here.

[1139] And we tried to go, like, no more than two weeks without having the family together.

[1140] Right.

[1141] So it was either every two weeks my dad would take off a long weekend and my brother, my dad would fly to wherever I was working and we'd be together or, you know, we'd try to find a way to keep the family unit somewhat intact.

[1142] But the truth is, from a young age, I was really, like, like, behaviorally modified to know how to adapt to constantly being moved around, you know?

[1143] So I didn't, I didn't really have, like, a strong base of friends in Kentucky.

[1144] Okay.

[1145] I only went to school until fourth grade.

[1146] So it's not like I had, like, these lifelong, like, childhood friends that I was.

[1147] I had my friends there, but it wasn't, that wasn't like my everything.

[1148] Yeah.

[1149] So I kind of was, I've always been the guy like my, my home is wherever I rest my head.

[1150] And so at a young age, I can imagine that it would be more difficult.

[1151] But for me, I kind of enjoyed it.

[1152] I enjoyed like a nomadic lifestyle.

[1153] Oh, good.

[1154] And kind of, you know, picking up and moving around and.

[1155] And then you were in, the kids are all right, which was one of my favorite movies.

[1156] And did you think Ruffalo was just the coolest dude?

[1157] I love Mark Ruffalo so much.

[1158] I mean, what a guy.

[1159] He's such a guy.

[1160] He's so great.

[1161] Every now and then, I've run into him a couple times over, like, the last decade.

[1162] I mean, it was a decade ago, by the way.

[1163] Wow.

[1164] That's when we made it.

[1165] It was like, literally, I was 16 and we made them, 26 now a little while ago.

[1166] But Ruffalo is just such a good dude.

[1167] And, like, over the years, I've texted him, and we kind of started to try to do some, like, political things together here and there, and he's always super active and involved.

[1168] And so we've kind of touched base over the years, but he's just the greatest.

[1169] I love him so much.

[1170] Okay.

[1171] So after the kids are all right, now your life completely changes, I'm assuming.

[1172] In 2011, you get hunger games.

[1173] You become PETA.

[1174] And what are you at that time?

[1175] 16?

[1176] No, you were born in 92.

[1177] That was like 17, 18, right?

[1178] I'm not good math.

[1179] Like I said.

[1180] 19.

[1181] 19 years old.

[1182] There's that homeschool math for y 'all.

[1183] He loves doing fast math so you can throw any math at him.

[1184] Yeah, that's kind of one of my, my heart.

[1185] were you you must have recognized this is a gigantic opportunity yes and no honestly like yes and no i we sort of had seen i had seen you know what like a twilight book series does you'd seen what a harry potter book series does yeah but when it comes to you actually doing it you don't put it in the same category as that in my mind they're like this has x amount of readers compared to this and i'm like all right yeah cool yeah i thought jennifer lawrence was the shit And I was like, working with her is going to be fantastic.

[1186] And they started building this insane cast.

[1187] And I was like, the fuck am I doing here?

[1188] This is nuts.

[1189] Yeah, it would have dredged up a little insecurity for me. Like, oh, this is a big thing.

[1190] Also, you're up against, like, this thing with 50 shades of gray where people like, they couldn't have cast anybody where they wouldn't have been like, that's not my Christian.

[1191] Sure, yeah, yeah.

[1192] So, like, stepping into a role that people have imagined, millions of people have imagined.

[1193] Yeah, yeah.

[1194] You're inevitably going to get, like, blowback, right?

[1195] There's no version where you read reviews and it's like all good.

[1196] Yeah, that's true.

[1197] But yeah, I mean, I think like for me, I wasn't, I really wasn't nervous until I stepped on set and they said like rolling.

[1198] Oh, okay.

[1199] Like, I genuinely, like, because I had been like training for a few months sitting up to that because like supposed to make this like kind of stocky build guys.

[1200] You know, all that stuff.

[1201] And I was just like looking forward to it.

[1202] Because at that point I'd done, you know, 20 movies.

[1203] No. No, man. Good job.

[1204] Good for you.

[1205] Thank you.

[1206] You know, all I want to do is get cast in a superhero movie.

[1207] Having nothing to do with the movie or the paycheck, just so I have an excuse to do roids.

[1208] Yeah.

[1209] Get like maybe up to 235 of muscle and have some temper tantrums and slam my door and stuff.

[1210] Sounds like a fun of experience.

[1211] I'm preparing for a role.

[1212] Fuck you.

[1213] You don't know what it's like.

[1214] Keep the kids away from me. Oh, man. So that didn't cross your mind.

[1215] That didn't cross our mind.

[1216] And what's the age gap between you and Jennifer Lawrence?

[1217] I think she's like...

[1218] two -ish years older than me. So as you went to that movie, where did you guys shoot those?

[1219] We shot those.

[1220] The first one we shot in North Carolina.

[1221] Okay.

[1222] And the second one and so on and so forth, we shot between Atlanta, Paris, Berlin, and Hawaii.

[1223] Oh, wow.

[1224] Yeah.

[1225] Now, the first one, did you go on going like, I'm going to get this girl to fall in love with me?

[1226] Because that's all I would have been thinking of if I was here.

[1227] I totally understand that.

[1228] And genuinely, that was not the dynamic at all.

[1229] Because she established that really quickly, or you know it was I don't I don't exactly know how was this I just know that literally I met her one time I met her at the SAG Awards and that was when she was like doing the circuit for Winner's Bone and I was doing the circuit for kids are all right okay and I met her and she was a girl from Kentucky I'm from Kentucky right this to me seems like star cross lovers and she came to me and she was like hey I'm Jennifer nice to meet you I just want to tell you when I was a kid and I want to start acting like you had done it and you were in like the newspaper in Kentucky and my parents told me I couldn't be an actor so I showed in this newspaper of you succeeding I told him that I could do it too if you did it so I owes everything to you I was like thank you thank you yes but yeah so like so I don't know there was just always a very comfortable it was a very brother sister dynamic from the beginning and you're both in Kentucky I had to do it had to do it brother sister that shouldn't stop you it shouldn't man come on we got family totem poles not trees anyway so you it was it was really like a super very friendly, comfortable like brother -sister dynamic from the get -go.

[1230] And it really, it didn't, it never got confusing or blurred or weird or or anything like that.

[1231] And I know that you probably would have wished for it to be more juicy than that, but genuinely, I don't know.

[1232] For me, that was so much better than having had some kind of romantic thing.

[1233] No, Josh.

[1234] No, no, no, no. I'll tell you why.

[1235] If you had all these memories.

[1236] I'll tell you why.

[1237] Because now, now, she's a friend of mine.

[1238] And there was nothing that has tainted that friendship.

[1239] Well, I'm friends with all my ex -girlfriends.

[1240] You could have still been friends with her.

[1241] And done the devil's three -way or whatever the hell that drink that drinking game was called.

[1242] Yeah, the devil's triangle.

[1243] You guys could have partaking in the devil's triangle.

[1244] And still be great friends.

[1245] Yeah, yeah.

[1246] I mean, maybe.

[1247] Stay tuned for more armchair expert if you dare.

[1248] I don't have a fucking time machine.

[1249] Do you have a fucking time machine?

[1250] If you did, then maybe.

[1251] Yeah, that Polaris one.

[1252] seed are outside.

[1253] That is a little bit of time.

[1254] You know, but you guys were love interests.

[1255] You don't get any Googly feelings while you're doing that?

[1256] Of course you get Googly feelings.

[1257] Okay, good.

[1258] Yeah, 100%.

[1259] I'm a human being.

[1260] You dated one of these starlets and I'm going to embarrass you because I want to say, because I ran into you somewhere, I want to say you and I were at some kind of award show or something and you guys were sitting together.

[1261] But were you did, did you date like Vanessa Hudgenson?

[1262] I did.

[1263] God bless you.

[1264] Good for you.

[1265] Yeah, she's fantastic.

[1266] Because you're very serious.

[1267] about this girl now five years.

[1268] And I think it's just nicer when you guys get married and you have kids that at least you had a couple of Vanessa Hudgensons.

[1269] Hutchersons.

[1270] Huttresens.

[1271] Were you with Vernessa or Hushersons?

[1272] Yeah, no, we dated for a look, because we did a movie together and...

[1273] This is kind of your move, right?

[1274] This is, you date the girls you're...

[1275] Yes and no. It's how I meet people.

[1276] Of course.

[1277] I don't go out places.

[1278] I'm not like a...

[1279] I don't go out and party.

[1280] I like to stay in my house in my little tribe.

[1281] So the way of me, people, is through shootings.

[1282] And it just so happens that many actresses are very interesting, dynamic, slightly crazy people that I connect with in a very strong way.

[1283] Of course.

[1284] And so, yeah, Vanessa and I did date as like after we did the Dwayne Johnson movie together.

[1285] What one was that?

[1286] The journey to the Mysterious Island.

[1287] Okay, great.

[1288] The sequel to During the Center of the Earth.

[1289] Did you have the feeling I had?

[1290] Because for me, I was in without a paddle, which I didn't think was like the movie I thought we were making, you know, I've now come to really.

[1291] really love it.

[1292] But at the time, I was like, oh, that's on the movie I thought we were making.

[1293] And it did really well.

[1294] And then I went to the screening, the test screening of Zethora.

[1295] I'm like, this movie's 100%.

[1296] It's going to make $2 billion.

[1297] I was very misled by my first experience.

[1298] Did you think Zathur was going to be a huge hit?

[1299] Again, you know, and I don't know if it's just like my personal perspective or a certain naivete with it, but I didn't think about it.

[1300] Good for you.

[1301] And it's funny because I was even talking about somebody talking with this about someone a couple days ago.

[1302] And they were like you don't seem to really be that stressed out ever you don't really seem to be like i hope this movie does well i hope that they like me in this performance and the truth is i really don't like i don't think about it that much i think it's probably because i've been fortunate enough to be lucky and be successful from a young age yeah so not knowing that kind of success has never been a a determinant or driving force in me it's been i want to make cool shit i want to make cool movies that i like that i think are interesting and original and i don't I haven't really thought about that.

[1303] But was the thorough, I guess I would say that I don't even know how well it did.

[1304] I don't even know if it made money if it was a flop.

[1305] No, no, it didn't do so hot.

[1306] It didn't.

[1307] It didn't do so hot.

[1308] Well, shit.

[1309] Yeah.

[1310] I think I want to say in that Chicken Little movie just crushed us.

[1311] It really took us to me. It didn't stop either of you.

[1312] You're both fine.

[1313] Well, but for you.

[1314] Thank you.

[1315] It does make sense, though, for you because you, 15 of your 26 years on planet Earth, you've been employed as an actor.

[1316] So all the signs are pointing that you're just, you're an actor and you're always going to be.

[1317] For me, you know, 15 of the 43 years I've been employed, now it's getting to the point where I worry way less.

[1318] But there were many years where I was just like, oh, I'm going to get disinvited to this party.

[1319] I can feel it.

[1320] One more stinker.

[1321] And now old Shepdog is back to CPK, seating people who are mad we don't take reservations.

[1322] That's just around the corner.

[1323] Here we go.

[1324] so you never really stress about it but not really i did talk to you once after hung up games i saw you somewhere and i was like well what's the experience like and you were like it's a little overwhelming for me i don't know that i really thought this through i there was i didn't think about it for a second i mean you know like when i like people sometimes like to say to you if you're a successful actor and you know you get recognized and people want pictures or paparazzi or whatever it is they're like yeah but like you signed up for that it was like part of the whole thing right i'm like bitch I fucking started acting when I was nine years old I wasn't thinking about paparazzi and like my privacy and people following me I was like a kid that wanted to make movies and that's what I that's what drove me and that's what like empowered me to try to do whatever it is I want to do and so that never crossed my mind and then all of a sudden you do a movie like Hunger Games and even when I signed on to it I wasn't even thinking like my life is going to change this is going I genuinely did not think that I was not yes I was naive completely and boy did it change And can you explain, yeah, because I bet I've only known the level of fame that you had prior to those movies.

[1325] Like, I probably, that's the level of fame that I've experienced.

[1326] So, yeah, walk me through like after, is it, is it like a light switch?

[1327] Is it after opening weekend?

[1328] Is it, is it six months later?

[1329] Is it after that things done $300 million?

[1330] Like, when you start going like, ooh, this is?

[1331] It was like a light switch.

[1332] I mean, I tell you, when I got the first taste of it was after we had been cast before we'd even shot, a second of the film.

[1333] They did this, like, fan event at, like, the Westfield shopping center over in Century City.

[1334] Okay.

[1335] And they had me, Liam, and Jen there.

[1336] And we were babies.

[1337] I was 18 at the time.

[1338] This is, because we started shooting and I was, like, 19 years old.

[1339] Jen was 20.

[1340] Liam was, like, right around there.

[1341] Yeah, Liam was 45.

[1342] And I just remember this moment.

[1343] We were sitting up, and they had this, like, in this, like, a little waiting room kind of up above, like, where all the people were.

[1344] And there was glass where you could see out, but they couldn't see in.

[1345] And there were so many people.

[1346] there with signs of like pita and catniss or like baked like put a bun in my oven oh wow things like that and and I remember just looking out at that and looking at Jen and Liam who I we genuinely had a great connection between the three of us like really a strong friendship loved them to death we all kind of looked at each other and we're like ooh what the hell are we stepping into oh wow and that was before we even started shooting wow and so from then on it would just it was a it was a massive life -changing experience and did it give me one of the worst stories of from that that you can think of just like invasion of my well i've talked about this on here and again i want to preface it by going there's nothing could be less sympathetic than an actor complaining about being famous so i i i recognize that and and and yes i did ask for this and yes i very much wanted it so let's just start there but my issue with it isn't that i don't love the people or anything like that.

[1347] It's just I wasn't prepared for, oh, I've lost control.

[1348] Like I was, you know, I told this the other day, I was, when it hit me was I was sitting in a fudruckers and I started, and I was by myself in Austin, filming a movie.

[1349] And I noticed that like maybe five of the nine tables, the whole families were just staring at me by myself.

[1350] And I just thought, oh, I've lost control of the world I live in.

[1351] And now this is permanent.

[1352] And I'll always be stared at at a restaurant.

[1353] I just really didn't think that through.

[1354] Not at all.

[1355] That's a great example of it.

[1356] Because that is the truth is, again, It feels, I hate talking about it to anyone.

[1357] Yeah.

[1358] Because I feel so ridiculous because I get to live an amazing life, do what I love, take care of all my friends and family, and make movies.

[1359] Like, that's a greatest job on earth.

[1360] Again, I wouldn't trade it.

[1361] No, if you tell me, oh, I'll take that away.

[1362] And you go, so I still want it.

[1363] For me, there's a, there's a disconnection from society that I feel.

[1364] And that is a disappointment because part of why I think I love to make movies and play characters and tell stories is because I like the connective nature of creating a film.

[1365] you watch a movie or a TV show and whoever's watching that there's a connection there and you're understanding you're having empathy for the people you're seeing in a story and all these things but when you become famous you sort of are no longer allowed to be a part of that public you know you are sort of in a separate little isolated world and and and most times I don't want to go places because the truth is like when I go with my I've never in my life gone to a bar without being aware of who's looking at me right like that's crazy to me But then again, since I was nine years old, I've traveled the world and shot movies and taken care of my family and friends and have a career.

[1366] Oh, it's totally worth it.

[1367] I've never gone to a bar and gotten drunk with my friends without being constantly cognizant of what is happening around me. Sure, who's filming you?

[1368] Who's taking pictures?

[1369] Who, like, just recognized you and is turning and is like looking you up online and then like you see their phone that has like your digital image.

[1370] Exactly.

[1371] I see that's so often.

[1372] And they're like, it's fucking peevee from Hunger Games.

[1373] Like, no, it's not.

[1374] That's not him.

[1375] He's that blonde hair.

[1376] And you're like, no, I swear it's him.

[1377] And you become very aware of that.

[1378] And you're trying to talk to your friend, but out of the point of your eye, you see that whole thing happening.

[1379] And your anxiety is just building, building, building, waiting for them to come over.

[1380] And a lot of times they're cool.

[1381] Sometimes they're dicks.

[1382] And you're like, stop, please.

[1383] I just want to stay here a little bit longer with my friends.

[1384] Yeah, let's just say that to you.

[1385] Talking is great.

[1386] Yes.

[1387] It's the 12 minutes of anticipation where they're summonsing up the courage to come talk to.

[1388] you and you just become aware of it and you can no longer be present in the conversation you're having because you're like is it happening now is it happening in five minutes oh they're going to pay the check and then they're going to come like I have almost just want to go like let me go over to you I started doing that actually I used to be in the place where like if I saw somebody recognizing me I'd be like oh fuck fuck I kind of turn my head and hide but no I'm like oh hey hey hey how are you hi I'm gosh much better way I just introduced myself and like oh hi and they're like can we get a picture yeah sure let's do okay great have a good night boom and then you're back to your world.

[1389] But it is weird.

[1390] But I do, like, there's a few times I can remember things just being like, no, man, this is too much.

[1391] There was a time when I was, I was in Kentucky for Christmas, as in my parents' house, this is probably, you know, after the second Hunger Games comes out.

[1392] So it's at, like, it's height, kind of, you know.

[1393] And we're there, it's, it's the 23rd of December.

[1394] Can I guess that you go to Kroger?

[1395] Does this story end up to - It does not involve Kroger.

[1396] It does not involve Kroger.

[1397] I have many stories involving Kroger.

[1398] Um, but, um, but I'm there at the house, my, I'm having dinner with my grandparents.

[1399] It's like our Christmas dinner with my grandparents.

[1400] And my parents' doorbell rings.

[1401] And so we all kind of look at each other.

[1402] Like, it's like 7 p .m. on the 23rd of December.

[1403] Like, who's ringing our doorbell?

[1404] Yeah.

[1405] It's like a suburban neighborhood in Kentucky.

[1406] And my dad goes to the door and it's a mom with two daughters, like 12 and 10 years old, who just driven down from Chicago.

[1407] From Chicago.

[1408] No. On the off chance that I might be home.

[1409] Oh, wow.

[1410] For their daughters to meet me. Oh, wow.

[1411] And so my dad is kind of, like, rattled because this family was like, hi, we're so sorry.

[1412] We know that this is, like, probably not okay.

[1413] But, like, we really wanted, like, and we thought maybe because it's the holidays, he might be home.

[1414] And we found your address online.

[1415] And, and my dad's like, this is, like, our home and, like, Christmas, I, uh, and he's in a terrible position where he wants to protect you.

[1416] But he's also, like, these, like, two young girls.

[1417] Yeah.

[1418] Shame on the parents.

[1419] But, like, two young girls standing there, and he looks at me, he's like, what I'm like, and I'm like, I'm like, it's okay, it's okay.

[1420] I whenever I was like, hey, how are you guys?

[1421] Nice to be like super nice to the girls.

[1422] And they have like, hungry girls up to the bondage bed.

[1423] Oh, Jesus.

[1424] Oh, that was terrible.

[1425] Oh, man. I just wanted to call back bonnage bed.

[1426] I like it.

[1427] I took the mom up to the bonage bed.

[1428] There it is.

[1429] There it is.

[1430] There it is.

[1431] All right.

[1432] But yeah, so I came up.

[1433] I was like, you know, said hi and we took a photo together.

[1434] And they had like things they had made me with like.

[1435] pita and hunger games and their phone cases were my face with the pita thing and everything but it's just like damn when when am i allowed to not be putting on this other thing well that's exactly what i was going to say is that your family gets the importance of your family once you get famous actually goes up which is it becomes the place you can go and remember you're not worth anything completely just a piece of shit like everyone else and you really need that and you need all those people to act normal around you and you so need that bedrock And I would get that when I go see my dad because my dad didn't, he didn't, he liked when people would stop over.

[1436] And then I was, I just felt like, no, dad, I'm coming here so that you and I, you know, you'd be like father's son.

[1437] Yes.

[1438] And then I, yes.

[1439] And so this, I want this to be a safe haven from that.

[1440] And this would be terrible if I don't have this as a safe.

[1441] Yeah, absolutely.

[1442] And I can't imagine like I've, it sounds like you as well.

[1443] I don't know your family so much.

[1444] But like I've been very fortunate to have a very grounded family.

[1445] And family that while they're supportive and they really care about what I do, they also don't of a fuck yeah that's the best thing and there are i'm sure and i know there are many families who when they're someone in their family rises up to stardom or whatever it's not the same way and all of a sudden their family also is treating them very differently and that is that that that would be really hard well yeah because then you're really a man without a country completely where where can i where am i yeah but let me ask you this uh if if you could take it back would you or would you still do the hunger games?

[1446] I was still doing a heartbeat.

[1447] Yeah, okay, good.

[1448] Yeah, 100%.

[1449] No, I mean, there was a time if you ask me that question.

[1450] The truth is, in that time, after it hit big, I 100 % wanted to take it back.

[1451] I did not enjoy the attention.

[1452] I did not enjoy the fame.

[1453] I did not, there wasn't an ounce of me that liked people looking at me. And actors are really annoying about that because we're like, look at me, look at me, and you get attention, you're like, oh, stop looking at me. Oh, 100%.

[1454] We're the most annoying things.

[1455] Well, we're the worst pieces of shit on the plant.

[1456] Exactly.

[1457] That just goes without saying.

[1458] Absolutely.

[1459] So, like, I felt that way.

[1460] but I also was very cognizant of I can't say that like you know I can't actually believe that like how lucky you are what a dickhead you'd be to not be appreciative of this and the truth is looking back on it now I'm so grateful and I genuinely enjoyed the entire process of it and were there times where it was overwhelming hell yeah there were yeah but there's times when everything's overwhelming did you ever go to like Japan or anything have some weird like a spiritual like what do you mean an ayahuasca trip in Peru no Yeah, do you ever get a shayatsu massage while on ayahuasca?

[1461] No. No, I guess when I see, the times that I've seen where it can get crazy is like when they send the Avengers to like Tokyo.

[1462] Oh, crazy fandom.

[1463] Yeah, like outside the hotel, there's like 20 ,000 people.

[1464] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1465] They actually need like a police motorcade and all that stuff.

[1466] That to me seems like downright terrifying.

[1467] We had that.

[1468] We had that.

[1469] When we did Hunger Games, I can't remember which one, because they all sort of bled together.

[1470] I think it was after the second one, we did like a big.

[1471] international press tour and we flew we did like seven European cities in seven days I remember going to Rome we had a premiere in Rome and I remember we pulled up in our like caravan of cars You just did it you got Kentucky for one second Did you hear it Monica?

[1472] I missed I didn't hear it What I said?

[1473] We pulled up We pulled up Oh I didn't hear it We got us We pulled up our little caravan So we pulled up we pulled How do you say pulled?

[1474] It sounds normal to me It said again Pulled no that's that's some That's some Michigan stuff right there Pulled Pulled Yeah he's saying polled like polled our money like P -O -L -E -D okay we pulled up like a pole cat you're so right so right so anyhow we pulled up over there in Roma in Roma and in Roma over there and tomatoes are and we pulled up in our I can't stop thinking about now we pulled up in our caravan and we arrived and we arrived thank you and we got there and it was so full of so many fans screaming crying signs.

[1475] They had military police with like machine guns around their backs holding back barriers that were like about to bust down.

[1476] Teenage girls.

[1477] It was yeah.

[1478] It was insane.

[1479] It was like seriously me and Jane and Liam again were looking at each other just like, how the hell?

[1480] We didn't write Abby Road.

[1481] Why are we getting this attention?

[1482] Yeah.

[1483] Yeah.

[1484] So it was nuts man. It was crazy.

[1485] Yeah.

[1486] Some crazy stuff.

[1487] What a wild experience.

[1488] During that phase were you at all because there was probably heightened scrutiny on you and people were following you for the first time and all that were you thinking like oh i've kind of got to keep my life on the straight and arrow because anything could be a scandal not at all no no no all good no you're still like drinking and smoking weed and stuff i was being a 20 year old yeah i was in my life i was like i'm a i'm i'm doing what i love i'm making movies i'm aware of people i'm respectful to everyone yeah but i'm not going to like walk around eggshells like i'm going to i'm going to make mistakes i'm gonna fuck up is there a chance of a scandal could have happened in that point probably right like i don't remember yeah yeah i was drunk as no it was it was it was yeah i wanted did you get it didn't it didn't go either way it wasn't a thing where oh i'm successful and i'm gonna party like a rock star and go crazy yeah and it didn't go to like oh my god i need to like live in like a perfect because i wasn't like trying to do like a disney kid like squeaky clean type reputation but also was like i'm not going to go out there and party my ass off right i just wanted to do what i wanted to do What about romantically?

[1489] Are you nervous, like, if you hook up with a girl during that period, she's going to somehow sell that, or are you suspicious of people who like you during that period, or is everything there normal?

[1490] Um, you know, I definitely do remember, like, I, I've never really gone any dates.

[1491] Okay.

[1492] I've never gone on dates with people.

[1493] That's never been something.

[1494] And I think that part of that has been because, you know, I was just like, I don't know if I can trust.

[1495] I don't trust a lot of people in a big way.

[1496] You know, and so for me to like even go on, I just felt contrived and it felt like it wasn't going to lead anywhere.

[1497] I was like, I was meet somebody through friends and if I don't, then I'll just be alone the rest of my life.

[1498] Okay.

[1499] That's kind of, like, dating was not a question.

[1500] Be alone or meet someone some other way, but not like dating people.

[1501] And so going back five, because you've been with your girlfriend now for five years.

[1502] So you must have met her shortly out or maybe even before the third.

[1503] Of course you did.

[1504] Yeah.

[1505] He's fucking Casanova.

[1506] That's me. You're like Marlon Brando.

[1507] Yeah, John Casabetti's Nova.

[1508] Yeah, we did this Pablo Escobar movie with Beniso D 'Oro.

[1509] Why haven't I seen that?

[1510] Great question.

[1511] I'm obsessed with Pablo Escobar.

[1512] Have you ever read the book Killing Pablo by Mark Bowden?

[1513] I've heard it's really good.

[1514] Didn't they make that end of the film?

[1515] Narcos?

[1516] No, no. Didn't they use Killing Pablo for the Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem?

[1517] It's in the name of the movie together.

[1518] Why haven't I seen that either?

[1519] Do you haven't seen that one?

[1520] For someone who's such a diehard fan.

[1521] Diehard.

[1522] You just like the idea of Paul.

[1523] That's going.

[1524] I read Killing Pablo.

[1525] I became obsessed with him.

[1526] And then I've watched a couple documentaries about him.

[1527] Okay.

[1528] And then, of course, Narcoe season one was all about Pablo Escobar.

[1529] I watched the shit out of that.

[1530] There you go.

[1531] Yeah, we did this movie.

[1532] It's called Paradise Lost.

[1533] Oh, so let me ask you something.

[1534] So you worked with Benizio, the Bull.

[1535] Yes.

[1536] Who, if I had to pick a single favorite actor alive, I think he might be my pick.

[1537] He's fantastic.

[1538] But he's also weird as a motherfucker, right?

[1539] Is he the most interesting human alive?

[1540] He's extremely interesting.

[1541] Extremely interesting.

[1542] Yeah, I don't know if I worked with somebody that's been quite as unique and a powerhouse as him.

[1543] Yeah.

[1544] He is del Toro.

[1545] He is like of the bowl.

[1546] Like he is really like, the way he approaches every scene and his character and just his general energy is so strong.

[1547] It's very intimidating.

[1548] but also once you get like through that layer and you're in inside then you're like a homie he's also he's one of these guys have watched his career and certainly he has had every opportunity in the world and i'm blown away he doesn't seem to be motivated by money at all like he clearly he's left so much money on the table by doing just he'll act once every two years and something that piqued his interest i i i don't know what drives him yeah like they love well i think he likes a lot i saw this interview with him one time and they said like so we heard that you're dirty and he goes dirty like Brando that was the same he was like rubbing his life yeah damn dirty like brando that sounds super dirty god damn give me a back yeah in a trash can how dirty we talking yeah where did you shoot that we shot in Panama oh you did yeah in Panama it was it was a brutal shoot it was one of the most gnarly shoots that I've done just in terms of day to day workload I was in every scene of the movie.

[1549] Who were you playing?

[1550] I was playing.

[1551] So basically it was this attempt of like a historical fiction kind of thing.

[1552] Okay.

[1553] Where they took a true story that happened with Pablo and they inserted a fictional character into that world and let him operate.

[1554] And you were that fictional.

[1555] So I was the fictional character, fell in love with the niece of his, got brought to his compound to work as like a pool boy.

[1556] And then kind of started to get asked to do more things and involved deeper and deeper.

[1557] I think the reason why the movie didn't really playing Pablo Escobar That's what people want to come see The movie was half that And the other half was this developing love story Following a pool boy around And so, exactly Yeah, I didn't sign up for a day When you have Vinisa Totoro Fucking slangin coke and blow people's heads off Eighth's richest man in the world In 1985 I don't care about some made up pool boy No, this guy's got eight billion bucks buried around town Yeah so I think it kind of landed in that zone Of like it didn't quite fulfill The prophecy that it kind of said It was going to be of being an Escobar movie right but it's a great film i think i think it really turned out well so i do got to give you i got to applaud you because if you won this gale's heart while the bowl was around oh yeah you were doing you were doing i was a maddador yes you were the maddador you'd send them in that direction and chat with her yeah no no i was he had to be a little in love with them no i don't i was a little in love with them of course i'm head over heels in love with them yeah i get it um i don't know she was this was this was she didn't really speak much english okay oh it was her not really because he speaks spanish and i didn't oh okay but regardless regardless um it was her first time being on like an american project um and and she was really nervous i was nervous my first time being a lead in a movie outside of hunger games and uh and you know so we we kind of connected very quickly um just over kind of both was being a little nervous she just like she's an angel she's an angel on earth and she was like a big spanish actress?

[1558] Not really.

[1559] I mean, she's been consistently working in Spain since she was like a young actress, like a kid as well, like 11 years old.

[1560] Yeah.

[1561] Like some big TV shows and things.

[1562] It's really funny.

[1563] It's like very similar.

[1564] Also our family...

[1565] It's on the one human being you can relate to.

[1566] I know, but yeah, she's the best.

[1567] But so we really just, yeah.

[1568] Especially, I don't know.

[1569] In this world, especially in this town, I have such a love hate feeling here in the city.

[1570] I love so much about it and I love the people that I've gotten to know and meet here.

[1571] There's a lot of like cannon fodder around that it's just like you got to fight through to find those great people.

[1572] Yeah.

[1573] And so I'm just really lucky that I found.

[1574] Especially at your age.

[1575] Yeah, exactly.

[1576] I think people here in their 20s are, you know, they're all trying to get something.

[1577] A little meandering.

[1578] Yeah.

[1579] Yeah.

[1580] And then ladder climbing, but, but you know.

[1581] And what's, I just want to throw it out there just because it's juicy gossip, but you own Heath Ledger's house.

[1582] Yes.

[1583] Yes.

[1584] And did, what did you feel about taking possession of that?

[1585] Was that, I would like that.

[1586] Like, I'm obsessed with Bukowski.

[1587] If I could, like, live in Bukowski's house in San Pedro, I would like it.

[1588] And he was, A, uh, uh, I knew him the sweetest human being ever.

[1589] And then, well, a fucking beast of an actor.

[1590] Yeah.

[1591] I'd be kind of stoked to take it's really cool.

[1592] It's, I mean, I've, you know, it's funny because I've been, I had been renting apartments and, and houses out here for years before I bought that house.

[1593] And, and it came time our lease was up on this house.

[1594] We were renting in the Sherman Oaks area.

[1595] And I was like, God, I'm just like, shouldn't I try to buy something at this point?

[1596] Like, I think I can make it down payments after the Second Hunger Games.

[1597] Make a down payment, like, and our money's going towards owning something and not just, like, pissing into the win.

[1598] Yeah.

[1599] And as my business manager was like, yeah, yeah, I'm not a bad idea, have a look around.

[1600] Looked at one house.

[1601] It was that house.

[1602] Oh, really?

[1603] Looked at one house.

[1604] You got there.

[1605] I immediately, I saw a photo of it.

[1606] It was a photo of like a Buddha on a wooden deck.

[1607] And I was like, there's something about that.

[1608] I was like, I know.

[1609] I walked in and the house was like my dream.

[1610] it's not like it's like a mansion but it's like a huge house but it's a tree house but it's like 1200 square feet but it's like it's in the trees it has like this big outdoor deck and it has a very very special energy and uh and the fact that it was heat ledger's house like it really does have a weight to it that's pretty special yeah it's very zen and it feels it feels right um what is life in spain like is it awesome is it as romantic as i imagine you guys go out to dinners and sit on a sidewalk and drink wine and you're literally nailing it that's what we do that's what we do we have like we found this like a little apartment it's so cozy and homie and amazing and we made it ours it's this great neighborhood that has like right next to like a little square that like every evening the restaurant what you call the squares they're not piazzas plaza plaza a plaza oh plaza oh it's just a fucking plaza yeah so they're called plazas and yeah we just it's it's it's it's the best i have like a great group of friends over there that i've cultivated through her friends and stuff and there's just like a different priority and i really enjoy the speed of which they live what is the priority enjoying the priority is enjoying what we're doing right now it's like when we're like we're gonna go out to dinner tonight with some friends in my mind i'm like all right what town's reservation where we're going after the day like that's like figure this all out she's like we'll see yeah and it's always like we'll go to dinner like 12 at night yeah 12 at night oh wow and that's like a normal hour.

[1611] The, like, the disco will open at 4 a .m. Okay.

[1612] It's like, you know, it gets pretty late night there.

[1613] But this is a really great group of interesting, creative people who really don't give a shit about what I, like, they care about what I do, but it's not like, oh, he's like famous actor guy.

[1614] It's like they just, like, they're musicians, artists, actors as well, directors.

[1615] It's a really great group.

[1616] I'm so jealous.

[1617] And Spain is just full of, especially Madrid, just full of so many little special zones and neighborhoods and, and, and, and things.

[1618] I, I love being there.

[1619] Oh, I want to go.

[1620] I have a fantasy where I have a whole other life that happens in my retirement where I'd live somewhere like that.

[1621] I just stroll around fucking aimlessly and absent -mindedly and just stare at shit.

[1622] It's my only fear would be getting used to it.

[1623] What I'd like about going to Europe is it still always feel so different and special to me. I would hate for it to feel like L .A. does, like pedestrian.

[1624] I mean, right now I do currently feel a bit more comfortable living in Madrid.

[1625] than I do here.

[1626] Oh, really?

[1627] My life that I have, like, settled into there with, like, the coffee shop that I go to, the restaurants that we like, they're kind of day -to -day.

[1628] Yeah.

[1629] I feel super comfortable there, and more so than I do here right now.

[1630] Right.

[1631] But, uh, I think Spain is also different.

[1632] I mean, like, you know, you go to England, it's gonna be different, you know, Paris.

[1633] There is a different feel.

[1634] It's not just like Spain ruins, like Europe because you're used to it.

[1635] You know what I mean?

[1636] Like, it definitely still feels special traveling to other.

[1637] Yeah, like, I guess what I'm saying is when I'm in Paris, I will often fantasize about living there.

[1638] And then I think I'd be so disappointed in myself if I walked like 14 blocks and I hadn't looked at every window and every building because it just was normal to me. Yeah, yeah.

[1639] That seems scary to me for some reason.

[1640] Yeah, I understand.

[1641] It's not.

[1642] It's great.

[1643] It feels great.

[1644] Okay.

[1645] Now I want to talk about your show.

[1646] Well, you were else, I was so, I'm tickled to see you in disaster artists, by the way.

[1647] Oh, yeah.

[1648] Yeah, that was so fun.

[1649] That's how I got connected to this TV show, by the way.

[1650] Oh, really?

[1651] They're disaster artist, yeah.

[1652] How so?

[1653] well uh disaster artist uh was with uh you know the frankos and set rogan evan goldberg um and uh and so i did that small you know two day part on that was really fun super great crew fun everything um and then like a couple weeks later i got an email from set and evan saying like hey we're doing this tv show we wanted to do it you want to do it you're kidding and i was like what uh what is it and they sent me the pilot and And I was like, this is fucking crazy and weird and original and unique.

[1654] And we talked about kind of where the first season was going to go and stuff.

[1655] And I was like, you know what?

[1656] Hell yeah.

[1657] I want to come on board.

[1658] So I don't know a lot about the show, but Wabiwob was just telling me about it.

[1659] And it's virtually the exact same movie that I loved in the 80s called like Starfighter.

[1660] The Last Starfighter, which I fuck my brother and I watched that movie every weekend for two years.

[1661] Yeah.

[1662] So the general gist of the show is for season one.

[1663] There's a guy who's, like, kind of nerdy.

[1664] He works as a janitor at this, like, facility trying to cure sexual transmitted diseases.

[1665] Okay.

[1666] And it's like, oh, this is all like Seth Rogen branded comedy, so you can just imagine.

[1667] And basically he plays his video game that's unbeatable and he finally beats it.

[1668] And then all of a sudden, these two people are sent into his room from the future and tell him that it was the training tool sent back in time to find, like, this warrior to save all of humanity.

[1669] Yeah.

[1670] And he's like, what?

[1671] Yeah.

[1672] And he actually, the character's like, Like, wait, that's just a plow from Last Starfighter.

[1673] You're just following with me. What's the last Starfighter?

[1674] What's a movie?

[1675] You're like, what the fuck?

[1676] Anyways.

[1677] So then the whole first season is kind of us going on this journey through the decades, like the 80s to the 60s, 50s to try to like stop these certain events from happening that lead to the destruction of all of mankind.

[1678] Oh, wow.

[1679] Yeah.

[1680] So it's a very, every episode has like a big action sequence.

[1681] Plus like the comedies, you know, on point with the typical brand of Seth Rogen and all those guys.

[1682] But it's a really fun show.

[1683] And it's so weird.

[1684] man. Like in the second season, it's coming out in January.

[1685] It's going to be, it's even weirder than the first.

[1686] I have like multiple full frontal nudity scenes where I have a nine to 10 inch flaccid prosthetic cock strapped onto me. Oh wow.

[1687] Yeah.

[1688] It's just, it's like, and when you had that thing on you, did you look down and go, this would be awesome?

[1689] No. You're like, this would be comfort.

[1690] This would be not good for anyone.

[1691] Okay.

[1692] No one would enjoy this.

[1693] Yeah.

[1694] Oh, I look forward to seeing that fake flaccid penis.

[1695] A friend of mine, like, when the show first came out, they sent me, like, they're like, hey, I don't know if you've seen this yet, but you need to look at this right now.

[1696] And I was like, fuck, what is it?

[1697] What is it?

[1698] And it's like, X, X, X, X, X, X, Josh, and Nudes leaked.

[1699] And I was like, what the, and I opened it?

[1700] And it was literally screen grabs from the show.

[1701] And my friend had thought that it was real.

[1702] And they were like, bro, did not know.

[1703] Did not know.

[1704] This thing is like a Coke can and a foot long.

[1705] It's like a Kony and a Coke can.

[1706] It had a baby.

[1707] And what's it on Hulu?

[1708] It's on Hulu.

[1709] And did you?

[1710] I guess because it was those guys calling, you probably didn't go through this mental gymnastics, but were you like, oh, do I want to do TV?

[1711] Did you have that debate in your head?

[1712] A little bit, yeah.

[1713] I thought about it.

[1714] I mean, at that time, like, one of the great things that Hunger Games allowed me to do was to kind of be selective and, you know, kind of step back and really only want to try to take on things that I really wanted to do.

[1715] So that was great.

[1716] But at this point, I hadn't really found anything that I really wanted to do.

[1717] And TV had taken this whole other swing, where, like, you had, like, the best actors and directors in the business.

[1718] Oh, can I tell you, who gives a fuck about movies?

[1719] Exactly.

[1720] Honestly, I get those screeners last year.

[1721] I'm like, maybe I had, like, two of them.

[1722] Yeah.

[1723] And yet, I, I, I, there was a hundred amazing hours of television I consumed.

[1724] Absolutely.

[1725] It's a joke.

[1726] Completely.

[1727] So, so I saw that change, obviously.

[1728] It was very clear that happened.

[1729] And then I was like, these guys, like, everything they touch turns to gold.

[1730] As far as their comedy, they're always, like, on the cutting edge.

[1731] They're always pushing boundaries, making people laugh.

[1732] And so I was like, you know what?

[1733] Fuck it.

[1734] So I signed a seven.

[1735] year contract and I was just like whoa shit that's a lot of years but you know yeah that's a TV contract they only come in one size seven years they're a good group to get into bed they really are yeah I mean going from disaster artists yeah seven year bedfellows oh yeah I'll take that I'll sign that contract Hutchy we had set on here it was great oh good not to brag but we did have Seth on here he returned my um my text weirdly even though he was in Spain Hucci monster we shot season one at Sony actually we were literally shooting right by the Zathura stage and I had so many memories of just being on that lot remember when Tim Robbins's son Jack I think was his name was driving like the golf cart around and he was like 15 and he flipped the golf cart and like he like fucked the golf cart up and he was a bleeding and everything and I love any other like PA would have been kicked off the set instantly sent back to Iowa he got to stick around yeah No, you know, he rapped before I ever started, Tim Robbins did.

[1736] Yeah, remember because we shot it in sequence, which you never get to do in a movie.

[1737] They had to destroy the house in sequence.

[1738] That's right.

[1739] So I only met him at the table read.

[1740] Okay.

[1741] And that's my sole experience with him.

[1742] And then remember a little Jonah Bobo threw up at that table read.

[1743] Oh, no. You did?

[1744] You don't remember this?

[1745] I don't remember that.

[1746] Oh, my God, this is the cutest thing in the world, Monica.

[1747] Because so he was, I think he was even younger than eight.

[1748] I want to say he was like seven.

[1749] Yeah.

[1750] Yeah, he was pretty good.

[1751] The point is, he couldn't read.

[1752] Oh.

[1753] So he had memorized the whole script.

[1754] Oh, my God.

[1755] Do you remember this?

[1756] I do not remember this.

[1757] Yeah, he was not reading.

[1758] He was just acting up the whole thing.

[1759] He had memorized the whole thing.

[1760] In the middle of the table read, he's like, I don't feel so good.

[1761] And then he got up and there was a bathroom inside that conference room we were in.

[1762] And that little boy went in there and threw up for a while and then came back and finished.

[1763] Oh, my God, because he was so nervous.

[1764] I have no idea.

[1765] Maybe he had too much coffee on an empty stomach.

[1766] No, he didn't have coffee.

[1767] He had a big night of partying before.

[1768] Yeah, he had gone to Chateau Marmonde the night before.

[1769] It was in the Jim Belushi suite.

[1770] Oh, that's so sad.

[1771] I didn't know.

[1772] I don't remember that.

[1773] God, this business is brutal sometimes.

[1774] I know.

[1775] This poor little seven -year -old, he's got like Sony executives looking at him like all overbearing.

[1776] He's throwing up in the bathroom.

[1777] Memorized a 120 -page screenplay at seven years old.

[1778] Jesus.

[1779] That's impressive as hell.

[1780] Yeah.

[1781] Well, Josh, I love you.

[1782] I'm so glad you came in so we could just see each other.

[1783] Yeah.

[1784] So nice to have my prodigal son return home.

[1785] And you're so happy.

[1786] A little suspicious, you're so happy.

[1787] I really am.

[1788] You get the serotonin lottery or something?

[1789] I'll tell you why I'm really happy.

[1790] I'm really happy because I've discovered directing.

[1791] Oh, okay.

[1792] That is genuinely like I was going crazy as just viewing myself as an actor only and like trying to do some producing and things because like you're so limited.

[1793] I love acting and I love playing character but you're so limited to only that little vein and it gets edited, it gets changed, they cut things, they move things and you're just kind of like a like as Hitchcock said like a cattle and you feel that way and I started to feel that way and I was like screw that I have more things I want to do I've been doing music videos I got a feature coming like so I'm like right now just like thriving off of that and living in Spain and here all right well I wish you a ton of luck and I love you and I'd love to take you for another death -defined ride up to 170 Let's do it All right, bye And now my favorite part of the show The Fact Check with my soulmate Monica Padman Because she's Fact Checkin Check it to see If what Dax says is true for cherries Come on money Will you do more than facts She's a fact checking Fact checking Mm -hmm You know know what it means to me. Do you recognize that song?

[1794] Hot -blooded.

[1795] Oh.

[1796] By foreigner, it predates your time on planet Earth by a lot.

[1797] By a lot?

[1798] Yeah, by about 20 years, maybe.

[1799] No. In the 60s?

[1800] No, 10 years, I guess.

[1801] Oh.

[1802] I thought you were born in 2000.

[1803] You know when I was born.

[1804] You turned 19 this year.

[1805] I wish.

[1806] My whole life ahead of me. You don't wish.

[1807] I don't wish, actually.

[1808] You're right in the sweet spot, girl.

[1809] You're like making a living.

[1810] You're on your own.

[1811] There's a ticking time bomb on my ovaries.

[1812] Oh, oh, tick, tick, tick, tick, I don't like that.

[1813] You don't?

[1814] What about freezing some eggies?

[1815] I know, I might.

[1816] Yeah, I'll pay for that.

[1817] No. Can I offer that to you for the Christmas present I owe you?

[1818] No, you don't owe me anything.

[1819] Egg freezing?

[1820] No. Egg freezing, freeze them and sea.

[1821] Do you think they're going to be as vital as vital farms eggs?

[1822] Nothing is as vital as vital farms eggs, nor will they be nearly as fresh as vital farm eggs.

[1823] But even if you don't freeze them, they won't be because your eggs were made 31 years ago.

[1824] Oh, that's true.

[1825] They're old as hell already.

[1826] Ew, that's true.

[1827] Dusty.

[1828] What?

[1829] Dusty?

[1830] They're very dusty is what I'm told.

[1831] That's the rumor on the street.

[1832] Well, how do we know dusty isn't actually better?

[1833] You're right, it could be.

[1834] It could be a very fertile.

[1835] Maybe the more dust.

[1836] The more the semen is sealed into that ovum.

[1837] Maybe.

[1838] Do you like the word ovum?

[1839] I do.

[1840] Sure.

[1841] I haven't really thought much about it.

[1842] Do you know the plural of ovum?

[1843] No, ovum is the plural.

[1844] No, I think ova is the plural.

[1845] Ova and ovum?

[1846] By the way, great, that'll be a great 80s new wave band.

[1847] Ova and Ova.

[1848] Ova and Ovom.

[1849] Don't you be like you're dancing in a Swedish nightclub?

[1850] It feels Greek to me. Oh, it does.

[1851] Ovom and Ovom.

[1852] Up and over him.

[1853] Oh.

[1854] I'm going to be there over over.

[1855] We're just starting the new year off with some songs staring right into my eye.

[1856] Can we set that as a 19 New Year's resolution, uninterrupted eye contact during all singing?

[1857] Okay.

[1858] All right.

[1859] I already have one that I've been working on.

[1860] We already talked about it, I think, on here.

[1861] But I'm going to stop saying I'm so busy as a response.

[1862] I've done well for a few days in.

[1863] I've done well.

[1864] Any cheats?

[1865] No. Good.

[1866] Good, good, good.

[1867] Well, at first, at the first day, when people would say, how are you?

[1868] I would say, well, my New Year's resolution is to say.

[1869] So I was qualifying a little.

[1870] But now I've been good.

[1871] Right.

[1872] Yeah.

[1873] And a couple times I've said, you know, mine's to stop complaining.

[1874] I have said a couple times, well, I'm not going to complain in 2019.

[1875] So it was fine.

[1876] Like, they'll ask about it.

[1877] Is that a, if I. Is that still count?

[1878] What is that?

[1879] I think it's halfway.

[1880] I think you're not complaining, but you're telling people that things are a little off.

[1881] A little off.

[1882] And actually it's worse because then people are like, well, just say what it is.

[1883] Half measures availed us nothing.

[1884] That's what they teach us.

[1885] Well, you know, these things start slow.

[1886] They do.

[1887] But remember we were going to do jars for each other?

[1888] Oh, right.

[1889] Yeah, I haven't, I don't think I've warranted an actual.

[1890] $500 contribution yet to the jar.

[1891] Okay.

[1892] Neither.

[1893] And I haven't.

[1894] I'm not going to say which brand, but I have stopped consuming a certain beverage that may or may not cause cancer.

[1895] I'm on day four of that.

[1896] And then, no, I haven't had any chewing tobacco either in four days.

[1897] Really proud of you for that too.

[1898] Look, I'm going to stick with it, but life's just not as fun when you don't put a little of that sweet, sweet, necker between the cheek and gum.

[1899] Put a pinch between the cheek and gum.

[1900] I just, I just, disagree.

[1901] It's disgusting.

[1902] You won't get any pushback from me on that.

[1903] No. Yeah.

[1904] But I know it made you happy.

[1905] What would you think was grosser?

[1906] You knew that once a day I licked Lola's asshole.

[1907] Oh.

[1908] Or 10 times a day I put a little pinch between the cheek and gum.

[1909] Which one you think is grosser?

[1910] Well, obviously I think Lola's asshole is grosser.

[1911] Okay, but probably not cancer -causing, though, licking Lola's asshole.

[1912] Yeah, but just a gross factor.

[1913] Mm -hmm.

[1914] Yeah.

[1915] Definitely the dog is gross.

[1916] Yeah.

[1917] Okay.

[1918] Great.

[1919] I mean, if I thought what you were doing, what you've been doing every day was that gross, I think you would know.

[1920] I have a hard time concealing.

[1921] It's a really bad example because there's a lot of moral implications about it.

[1922] About Lola.

[1923] Yes, about licking a dog.

[1924] Well, I don't even mean that.

[1925] I don't even mean that.

[1926] I mean just the physical, the act.

[1927] Uh -huh.

[1928] Yeah.

[1929] Yeah.

[1930] Yeah, it's foul.

[1931] It is really foul.

[1932] I wonder if there's one that's more on the fence that I can come up with that's comparable to chewing tobacco.

[1933] There's nothing I'm going to say that is, I'm not going to say that what you've been doing is gross.

[1934] Okay.

[1935] All right.

[1936] All right.

[1937] I care about your feelings.

[1938] Well, thank you.

[1939] Shall we begin?

[1940] Yeah, let us begin.

[1941] Okay, Josh.

[1942] I liked him so much.

[1943] You really did.

[1944] Yeah.

[1945] And I also felt a little bad.

[1946] because we run in this, we both run in a similar circle with him.

[1947] So sometimes we see him at parties and stuff and I just ignore him.

[1948] And why do you suppose you ignore him?

[1949] Because you don't want to be someone that's bugging him because he's famous.

[1950] Or that's probably how it started.

[1951] And then once times had gone by, it was like, well, then now you're just being on turkey.

[1952] Well, no. Now I'm just, that's just normal.

[1953] Cat mouse.

[1954] Little reindeer games Well, he found me He sure did Yeah But I will say I always like And this happens to both of us Where you have Not even an opinion of somebody Because it's not like I don't think you had an opinion No But when someone comes here And then you kind of fall in love With them real time I always enjoy watching that Yeah And it happens to me too I fall in love with people on here Yeah Yeah he was great Yeah Oh you know I had a fantasy The other night Okay Because rooted in this episode which is I thought to myself, because you know I have very bad wanderlust.

[1955] Oh, we're going to get to it.

[1956] Okay.

[1957] And I thought to myself, oh, my gosh, I now have a destination in Spain.

[1958] Like, I need to go in the next couple weeks.

[1959] Oh, visit Josh.

[1960] Just go see Josh in Spain and let him be my liaison, my fixer in Spain.

[1961] Yeah.

[1962] And then I played the whole fantasy out.

[1963] I'm going to go to these restaurants with he and his friends who are drinking wine and smoking cigarettes.

[1964] And that part's going to be a little bit less fun for me than them.

[1965] Yeah.

[1966] But I'd already prepared myself of how I was going to find enjoyment from it, even though I wasn't partaking in the wine.

[1967] So you're planning on, even in your fantasy.

[1968] I have to be realistic about the fact.

[1969] Because if I just show up and wait to get surprised by all the wine drinking and cigarette smoking, I'll make a bad decision.

[1970] So I got to be ultra clear about what's potholes.

[1971] I don't want you to go there by your.

[1972] Why?

[1973] I thought it all through.

[1974] Should I bring my sponsor?

[1975] Yeah.

[1976] Okay.

[1977] Well, I've been to many foreign countries and not drank.

[1978] I know, but you're far away and none of us are there and none of us can get to you quickly.

[1979] Okay.

[1980] Also, I don't.

[1981] I don't really care.

[1982] Okay, but you're a little mad.

[1983] I can see you're a little bit upset about something.

[1984] Well, I'm not upset.

[1985] Would you like to come with me?

[1986] Yeah.

[1987] Okay, great.

[1988] I feel...

[1989] Let's go to Spain.

[1990] Like, when your fantasy excludes people that you love.

[1991] She just did air quotes.

[1992] Yeah.

[1993] Yeah, it gets kind of deep.

[1994] It's like, why is that your fantasy to leave the place with all the people that you love?

[1995] Well, my fantasy is to get submerged in some other experience.

[1996] I have no history with.

[1997] So the romantic fantasy is I just parachute into Josh's life in another country where they have like all these jokes and they're speaking like these.

[1998] I don't know where we're at now but you know another glass ofino tito you know pass a cigarette and then I get to witness it and maybe people are making googly eyes at each other and stuff like there's a whole romantic thing that I'm witnessing and the lighting in my fantasy it couldn't be softer or warmer.

[1999] I understand that.

[2000] walls are red it's so warm and then we spill out under the little cobblestone alleyway where this little quaint bar is they always hang out and then we're just walking down the cobblestone thing and they're laughing and their laughs are echoing off the tall old buildings and i'm just kind of there and they're not excluding me and even though i didn't drink the wine or smoke the cigarettes i'm still invited to laugh while stumbling through the streets at like 3 a .m doesn't you know what i'm saying So part of the fantasy is just, you know, being like an anthropologist there.

[2001] Sure.

[2002] Yeah.

[2003] I get it.

[2004] And then if you bring like your whole family with, if I'm lugging around like two kids and stuff, then it's, then they've joined my experience.

[2005] I haven't joined theirs.

[2006] That's true.

[2007] That is true.

[2008] I understand that.

[2009] But you could join their experience with me. I don't think that two would be too disruptive.

[2010] Yeah.

[2011] I just like, it's so funny.

[2012] I just don't have that at all.

[2013] Really?

[2014] I have that negative.

[2015] You have the opposite of that.

[2016] Yes, my fantasies are like...

[2017] Oh, can I paint it?

[2018] Sure.

[2019] You fly all the way to Spain and then the hotel you're staying at is your childhood home.

[2020] Your childhood bedroom.

[2021] No, that sounds terrible.

[2022] You've just gone somewhere and it's identical.

[2023] And then you rent your exact car while you're there.

[2024] No, no, no, you've misunderstood.

[2025] And then there's like a Spanish Ryan Hanson.

[2026] Tending bar.

[2027] Okay, well, that's getting closer.

[2028] Yeah, my fantasy is to go to places.

[2029] I love traveling.

[2030] But not to then be with new people.

[2031] I like the people who I've cultivated.

[2032] And my fantasy is to spend all my time with those people all day long.

[2033] And, yeah, sure, we can all go to other places.

[2034] But I'm also happy if we all just live in one big house and never do anything all day and hang out and play.

[2035] Right.

[2036] Yeah, that sounds nice for me. But yeah, I don't have the thing of like.

[2037] Like I want to come to in a moose blind in Russia next to three guys drinking vodka out of the bottle in Arctic gear.

[2038] Okay.

[2039] I just want to like open my eyes and be there.

[2040] Yeah.

[2041] And in feel very out of place.

[2042] I want to feel very out of place.

[2043] And then I want to learn to integrate myself and adapt and assimilate.

[2044] Well, I spent my whole life doing that.

[2045] So I don't need to have.

[2046] That's not part of my fantasy.

[2047] That's true.

[2048] That is interesting.

[2049] Maybe that's part of it.

[2050] Yeah.

[2051] You want what you didn't have.

[2052] Yeah, that makes sense.

[2053] Okay.

[2054] We haven't even got a one fact.

[2055] Jesus.

[2056] Well, we missed each other.

[2057] I know.

[2058] You were gone for quite a while.

[2059] Too long, some would argue.

[2060] But you have this superstition where you must start the new year with your grandparents, right?

[2061] That's theirs.

[2062] That's their superstition.

[2063] Well, it's nice if you do abide.

[2064] My grandfather's superstition was if you start the new year with these people, you'll end the new year with them.

[2065] That's nice.

[2066] Which is nice.

[2067] And then now we need to do that.

[2068] Right.

[2069] Now it feels.

[2070] Well, that, okay, so there was almost a five.

[2071] Oh, okay.

[2072] Okay.

[2073] I knew if I scratched deep and out.

[2074] It didn't go.

[2075] It didn't go all the way, but...

[2076] The table was set?

[2077] Yes.

[2078] Right, right as the new year was turning.

[2079] Because my grandfather is very old now.

[2080] Very.

[2081] And...

[2082] Like a hundred and something?

[2083] No, I'm sorry.

[2084] He's actually not that old.

[2085] He's like 87 or 88, which is old.

[2086] But he is looking and is behaving very...

[2087] A little olderly.

[2088] Yeah.

[2089] And, you know, there's like all these, there's this obsession with superstition that is happening around me that it makes me anxious.

[2090] I pinpointed that it was making me anxious.

[2091] So I was like really budding up against it a ton.

[2092] Uh -huh.

[2093] And one of them is like, everyone has to cheers.

[2094] Okay.

[2095] At midnight.

[2096] Okay.

[2097] And everyone's cup has to.

[2098] clink.

[2099] Eye contact with the clink as well.

[2100] I contact and clink.

[2101] And so my, it was like this thing where my grandfather didn't have a cup.

[2102] He didn't have a cup and he didn't have anything in it.

[2103] And then it was like, felt like a panic was happening.

[2104] And I was like, just, it's fine.

[2105] And I was saying that.

[2106] Oh, yeah.

[2107] I was saying, just it's, just leave him alone.

[2108] It's fine.

[2109] Uh -huh.

[2110] And, and then they, Then I was getting some back, lack.

[2111] Some blowback.

[2112] Yeah, yeah, some blowback.

[2113] And then my brother was like...

[2114] He had had enough of that.

[2115] Of me. Your bossiness.

[2116] I guess, yeah.

[2117] Yeah.

[2118] So anyway, so there's some superstition involved.

[2119] But you and I both ironically succumb to some superstitions.

[2120] Yeah.

[2121] Eric was complaining about this.

[2122] I think I told you.

[2123] Yeah, you told me. You got to pick one or the other buddy.

[2124] Yeah, exactly.

[2125] You got to believe in the Lord or you got to get rid of the superstition.

[2126] I know.

[2127] But I don't, I don't like that about me. I don't like that I get like tied to something and it feels like if I don't do that, there's repercussions or if I do do that, there's repercussions.

[2128] It's not healthy, I don't think.

[2129] So when it's around me, I'm like, oh, this is, it is.

[2130] It's just mirroring.

[2131] Well, you're also probably getting angry because you're like, oh, this is where I got this stupid bullshit.

[2132] Exactly.

[2133] Thanks a lot.

[2134] Yeah, I don't know where I got mine because my mom's not superstitious that I'm.

[2135] I can think of.

[2136] Yeah, I think it's also probably tangential to OCD.

[2137] Yes.

[2138] And I also bet it's a little bit of an occupational hazard when you take on a job where there's so much luck involved.

[2139] Yeah.

[2140] And there's just oodles of luck in making it or not.

[2141] It's easy to project things on to it that aren't related.

[2142] Yes.

[2143] Yeah.

[2144] Yeah.

[2145] Yeah, like if you get hired to fix someone's carburetor and then it works when they receive the vehicle, they will come to you again to have you fix something.

[2146] There's no, you know.

[2147] That's true.

[2148] Anywho.

[2149] Who's this episode about?

[2150] Cute Josh Hutcherson.

[2151] Joshy, Josh Hutcherson.

[2152] Okay, so he talks about the Spanish flu.

[2153] And I looked into the Spanish flu and I have no idea why it's called the Spanish flu.

[2154] It did not start in Spain.

[2155] Was it because the Spanish conquistadors were carrying the flu from Europe and infected all the South American folks.

[2156] No, it said that the beginning of the flu started in France at a hospital camp.

[2157] Okay.

[2158] That's a bad place to go camping.

[2159] Don't you think?

[2160] Yeah, I do.

[2161] What if you found out of me and the kids were going camping at Cedar Sinai this summer?

[2162] Anyway, it was actually called the 1918 influenza pandemic, then colloquium.

[2163] locally Spanish flu.

[2164] And it was unusually deadly.

[2165] It affected 500 million people around the world.

[2166] 500 million.

[2167] In 19, what, 13?

[2168] 1918.

[2169] I got to imagine there was only like 2 billion people on the planet in 1918.

[2170] So that would be like a quarter of the people.

[2171] A lot of people.

[2172] Wow.

[2173] Yeah.

[2174] It said it was the most deadliest natural disaster in human history.

[2175] How many people died?

[2176] Oh, 50 to 100 million.

[2177] Oh, my goodness.

[2178] Three to five percent of the world's population.

[2179] Oh, my goodness.

[2180] What a successful flu.

[2181] Yeah, did a good job.

[2182] Yeah, number one flu.

[2183] Congratulations, Spanish flu.

[2184] It's good to be number one.

[2185] It is.

[2186] But you're always looking over your shoulder at norovirus, at swine flu, Ebola.

[2187] Oh, there's always someone on your heels.

[2188] And natural disasters, that includes, like, doesn't that include, like, like hurricanes, tsunamis.

[2189] Cyclones.

[2190] I don't want to.

[2191] Oh, no. Here we go again.

[2192] That was for 2018.

[2193] Let's leave that in 2018.

[2194] One of our other resolutions was a never fight about cyclones again.

[2195] Okay.

[2196] He's been with his girlfriend for five years, and you said, in two more years in Kentucky, that would be common law.

[2197] But Kentucky does not recognize common law marriage.

[2198] Okay.

[2199] So there are less than...

[2200] Does that feel progressive or not progressive?

[2201] I don't know which would be the right.

[2202] I feel like it's not progressive.

[2203] Okay.

[2204] Because like they're so into marriage that they don't recognize common law marriage.

[2205] Oh, so that's one way to look at it.

[2206] I went another direction, which is like some states have determined if, you know, you've been with someone for seven years, there's a certain level of implied dependence.

[2207] Mm -hmm.

[2208] And that if a state had so many unwed people living together that almost they wouldn't want it to want it, like that it's maybe more common.

[2209] So they're not, I don't know.

[2210] I'm with the other way.

[2211] Okay.

[2212] Well.

[2213] Interesta.

[2214] Yeah.

[2215] Okay.

[2216] Well, you know how he's a colonel.

[2217] That Josh is.

[2218] Josh is a colonel.

[2219] Very esteemed.

[2220] We were wondering if he could add letters to his name.

[2221] Mm. Uh -huh.

[2222] And no, I don't.

[2223] think you can.

[2224] I looked into these post -nominal letters.

[2225] Oh, that's what you call them.

[2226] Post -nominal.

[2227] And they started in British royalty.

[2228] Oh, that makes sense.

[2229] So orders and decorations conferred by the crown, you get them.

[2230] Queens Council, Justice of Peace, and Deputy Lieutenant, if you're those, you get it.

[2231] university degrees, religious orders, medical qualifications, fellowships of learned societies, members of parliament, and members, membership of one of the armed forces.

[2232] Those are the letters.

[2233] That's when you can do it.

[2234] Yeah.

[2235] And none of those, I don't think we're colonels.

[2236] I don't have any of those.

[2237] Yes, you do.

[2238] You have academic.

[2239] You could put BA after my name, really?

[2240] Yeah, you could.

[2241] I know.

[2242] This guy bragging about a four -year degree.

[2243] Jack Shepard I saw someone that did do the master's one you can do?

[2244] People do that?

[2245] I don't agree with that one.

[2246] I was embarrassed for the person I saw using that degree.

[2247] But you probably wouldn't have thought it if it said PhD.

[2248] Right.

[2249] I think if you're a PhD, you deserve to say that.

[2250] I don't think with a master's degree you deserve to rub everyone's nose in it.

[2251] Well, I think your master's degrees are impressive.

[2252] You don't think so?

[2253] Well, it depends.

[2254] My grandma Eulis was a double master's, and yes, I was proud of her.

[2255] My dad has two also, and I'm very proud of it.

[2256] But he doesn't put that after his name because he's not a blowhard.

[2257] Well, of course he could, but he would never do it, nor did my grandma Ulyss.

[2258] Ulysses.

[2259] That's funny.

[2260] Yeah.

[2261] Yeah.

[2262] I don't know.

[2263] I hope I didn't hurt him his family.

[2264] We're only BAs.

[2265] B .A. Barrackas, though.

[2266] Mr. T. Oh, okay.

[2267] Oakwood.

[2268] You know how you said they changed their name.

[2269] It's confusing because they, now they have like all these ones.

[2270] all over the place, but the one from the Hollywood complex is called Oakwood at Toluca Hills Apartments, Avalon.

[2271] Right.

[2272] And I just drove by there and all it says is Avalon.

[2273] There's none of that old baggage, no, they've, they've, although it may be in their Incorporation papers, it says all those, but just on the sign, I think it just says Avalon.

[2274] Well, I called them.

[2275] Oh, you did.

[2276] To get pricing.

[2277] Oh, you did.

[2278] Yes, but I didn't get any.

[2279] because they were making me give information.

[2280] Like they wouldn't give me any pricing unless I gave them very specific information.

[2281] And I got quid pro quo.

[2282] Tit for tat.

[2283] Tip for tat.

[2284] And they didn't get any of my tit.

[2285] Okay.

[2286] I said no. Keep those to yourself.

[2287] My fat natches to myself.

[2288] Yes, fat natch for tat.

[2289] Yeah.

[2290] No, I was like, can you just tell me a general price before I was like, I mean, I was lying to him.

[2291] And I was like, I'm just thinking about my options and I feel like you find yourself in the position I find myself in all the time.

[2292] I'm trying to maintain the moral high ground, but it starts with that I'm lying and yet I'm offended that they want my info.

[2293] Yes.

[2294] I also felt like a detective.

[2295] Like I felt like a Veronica Mars when I was on the phone with them.

[2296] It was kind of fun, but I wouldn't have been a good Veronica Mars because I was starting to panic.

[2297] Well, but that was your first time.

[2298] No, but you did.

[2299] I feel like you've you've had trial by fire in our lives.

[2300] And I was very impressed with how you thought on your feet when we had a rental unit that had been robbed of the washer and dryer in the fridge.

[2301] And you went over to left the people in and there was no appliances anymore.

[2302] And you just had to like come up with some crazy story of why there were no appliances.

[2303] And they had just seen it a week before and there were appliances.

[2304] I totally forgot about that.

[2305] I was so impressed.

[2306] That's one of the times where I thought, oh, yeah.

[2307] she can be in the rob a bank team with me yeah you got through it though they they none the wiser what a welcome to getting a rental house oh this is going to be great and then within the first three weeks the both places are completely robbed yeah it was a horrible feeling if only they had ring yeah if they if we had had ring we would have photographs of these people that's right Okay.

[2308] Anyway, so I don't know how much the Oakwoods cost, unfortunately.

[2309] Okay.

[2310] But if you want to know, you'll have to call and you'll have to give them a lot of information.

[2311] So security number, medical history.

[2312] How many?

[2313] How long?

[2314] Ken Jennings.

[2315] Ken Jennings won Jeopardy, 74 games in a row.

[2316] I think you thought it was more.

[2317] I did.

[2318] I thought it was like 150 or something.

[2319] Yeah, 74.

[2320] The streak netted him winnings of more than 2 .5 men.

[2321] million that's awesome i know good job ken yeah i think he might have even ended up in a commercial or two after that as well oh i think there was some ancillary earnings i wonder if this is included though i think probably just the prize money you think how much do you win on there each you know general i feel like it it averages around like 18 to 30 grand though in an episode occasionally you'll see them up there in the 50s but it seems to be in that 30 okay yeah i never really watched it oh i was a junkie for years it was i used to tape it on vhs and then i i did it on the dvr and then one day i just stopped really you learned too much i think i knew too i knew too much yeah yeah bummer and there was all these rules you know you never played it with me but we would watch it you know sometimes as a team and because i'm dyslexic and i can't read the rule is you had to listen to Alec ask the question.

[2322] Okay.

[2323] Not read ahead because it's not fair.

[2324] Was it Alec?

[2325] Yeah, Alec Trebek.

[2326] Like Alec...

[2327] Are you sure it wasn't Alex?

[2328] I always get Alex Trebek and Alec Baldwin confused.

[2329] They're so similar.

[2330] They're just so damn similar.

[2331] They're pretty much the same.

[2332] Yeah.

[2333] He's just the Canadian version of Alex Baldwin.

[2334] You could be right, actually.

[2335] I'm Alec Trebek.

[2336] Fuck, I don't know.

[2337] I don't know.

[2338] I'm confused myself now.

[2339] I think it's Alex, but you could be right.

[2340] You also watched it much more than me. I can only imagine how frustrating the show is to listen to in your car.

[2341] Certainly many people are screaming, it's Alex.

[2342] I know.

[2343] Sorry.

[2344] Oh, God.

[2345] It's Alex.

[2346] It's Alex.

[2347] But in Canada, sometimes you pronounce the X just a C. Okay.

[2348] So, you know, soon as the clue comes up, it's written across the whole screen of your television.

[2349] Right.

[2350] And then Alex reads it.

[2351] But a lot of people, Kristen, can read fast.

[2352] So she'd read the whole question.

[2353] And then she'd answer it before Alex had even finished asking it.

[2354] So it had to be a policy that you couldn't answer until Alex had finished the question.

[2355] Because I can't read it.

[2356] And is it who's faster?

[2357] Yeah.

[2358] It's all about who gets, who says the right answer.

[2359] That still doesn't seem fair because she's still seeing it first and figuring out the answer first.

[2360] So then she's just waiting for the end of, like, I don't know.

[2361] Right, but at least at that point, we have a shot of time.

[2362] We have no shot of time if I hear it.

[2363] In 1967, and then she says, Lincoln Continental.

[2364] And you could start answering just with, yeah, yeah, that's the goal.

[2365] That'd be great.

[2366] Did Yao Man win Survivor?

[2367] Remember Yao Man was one of the posters on his brother's wall?

[2368] Mm -hmm.

[2369] He didn't win.

[2370] And he was fourth place.

[2371] Okay.

[2372] I had never even heard of Yao Man until that conversation.

[2373] Me either, because I don't watch Survivor either.

[2374] Cool nickname, though.

[2375] I don't think it's a nickname.

[2376] I think that's his name.

[2377] Oh, Yao Man?

[2378] I think.

[2379] Oh, no, I'm nervous.

[2380] Was he like a foreign national?

[2381] Oh, great.

[2382] Now I'm a fucking racist.

[2383] I thought it was like, you know, like Wii Man. Well.

[2384] The Yao Man. Who's a Wii Man?

[2385] From Jackass.

[2386] Oh, I didn't watch.

[2387] He was a little person and his name is Weeman.

[2388] Oh.

[2389] I didn't give him that name.

[2390] I know.

[2391] I don't cringe for, I have no culpability in this.

[2392] I do hope, though, that when he called people, he was like, please hold for the yow man. And really made it seem like a surfing nickname.

[2393] That's to me what it sounded like is like a surf nickname.

[2394] The yow man. Oh, interesting.

[2395] Well, I think that makes you not racist because you heard it as a surfer.

[2396] Right.

[2397] Okay.

[2398] The name of the trust fund that kid, actors have to have is Coogan Law.

[2399] I don't know why I can't remember that because we have Steve Coogan's the name we know.

[2400] Right.

[2401] And we already did this on Mila's fact check.

[2402] We already talked about this.

[2403] I bet we'll do it again.

[2404] I'm sure we will.

[2405] We're not learning.

[2406] That's a hard truth.

[2407] I know.

[2408] Okay, so you said freezing to death is a peaceful way to go.

[2409] Yeah.

[2410] And I did find some evidence of that, some accounts of, yeah, almost freezing.

[2411] where they, you like slowly fall into a coma, so it's like not painful.

[2412] And, yeah, some people report of like states of bliss and stuff.

[2413] But I thought I'd go through the stages to freezing to death.

[2414] Oh, great.

[2415] Okay.

[2416] Yeah, then if it's happening to you, you can at least know where you're at in the process.

[2417] Exactly.

[2418] I'm on stage four.

[2419] Okay, two more to go.

[2420] Next is I have to pee.

[2421] Okay, so one is blood flow to your capillaries constricts.

[2422] Because in cold temperatures, your body prioritizes keeping your internal organs warm.

[2423] So blood flow in your capillaries, which is close to the surface of your skin, constricts, and blood flow to the vital organs increases.

[2424] So sometimes your extremities are even colder.

[2425] Right.

[2426] It's pulling all the blood from your outside.

[2427] We call that distal in biology.

[2428] All your distal areas.

[2429] It's pulling all the blood.

[2430] blood from there and burning inside.

[2431] You just got annoyed that I said distal.

[2432] No, I didn't.

[2433] You can't slide one thing past me because I don't break eye contact, so I know exactly what's going on.

[2434] I didn't get annoyed.

[2435] You're like, oh, here we go.

[2436] It wasn't that you said distal.

[2437] I know.

[2438] It was like you said in biology.

[2439] Oh, of course.

[2440] Well, who wouldn't be, man?

[2441] What if I, you know what have been really ranked?

[2442] This would have been worth you rolling your eyes as if I said, in biology, we say distal.

[2443] And I said, we say, that's what it sounds like.

[2444] That's what it sounded like.

[2445] I didn't say we say.

[2446] That would be the egg on the face.

[2447] That's what it sounded like to me. Okay.

[2448] That's why I rolled my eyes.

[2449] Well, in biology, we always say we will say distal or proximal.

[2450] Proximal's close to the body and distal's far.

[2451] Are you sure you didn't say it?

[2452] I didn't.

[2453] I feel like you said.

[2454] I did not.

[2455] Okay.

[2456] Number two, heart rate and respiratory rate accelerate.

[2457] Mm -hmm.

[2458] They get faster.

[2459] Only at number two.

[2460] Okay.

[2461] Spoiler.

[2462] It goes down.

[2463] Yeah.

[2464] Three, you start to shiver.

[2465] That's natural.

[2466] Four, you lose your color.

[2467] Five, you have to pee.

[2468] Weird.

[2469] Why?

[2470] Because the body produces more urine because of the increased blood flow to your vital organs.

[2471] You might start feeling like you have to pee during the early stages of hypothermia.

[2472] By the late stages, you might not be able to control your bladder.

[2473] Uh -oh.

[2474] Pe yourself.

[2475] I wonder if it prioritizes your body smart enough to.

[2476] Okay, so first it goes, oh, we got to protect all these organs, right?

[2477] It brings all the blood in there to keep them warm.

[2478] But then I wonder if your body starts recognizing, well, shit, we can't keep all these organs.

[2479] Does it start shutting down the least vital ones?

[2480] Like, let's take the kidneys offline.

[2481] Let's take the liver offline.

[2482] Let's like, is the last thing to shut down your heart?

[2483] Maybe.

[2484] Actually, maybe, yeah.

[2485] That'd be a cool system.

[2486] But your organs don't start shutting down until many more steps.

[2487] Okay, great.

[2488] Walk us through those.

[2489] Okay.

[2490] So you have to pee.

[2491] That's five.

[2492] six you have difficulty moving seven you get confused eight your extremities turn blue nine your heart rate and respiratory rate decrease okay ten you hallucinate ooh now we're talking 11 you get amnesia oh um because of the oxygen deprivation to your brain um oh yeah it says if you get rescued from the cold and survive you probably will not remember much of the incident if you're rescued by someone you know you might not even recognize them when they find you oh wow depending on what stage you're at i guess 12 see this all sounds very peaceful to me no see no yeah because you're like you don't even recognize yeah you're like a little lucy -goosey well this part gets weird i think that depends on the person extreme horniness was like step 11 that would be horrible because you have difficulty moving that's true so unless you could reach climax just by being that horny.

[2493] Oh, wow.

[2494] And that was like the last thing you experienced.

[2495] Yeah, that would be a nice way to go.

[2496] Yeah, really would.

[2497] Okay, things get weird here.

[2498] After you get amnesia, you might strip off your clothes.

[2499] Oh, maybe that's code for extreme hornyness.

[2500] Maybe it is.

[2501] No, it says victims of hypothermia often display a strange phenomenon called paradoxical undressing.

[2502] Scientists are not exactly sure why it happens.

[2503] they're not.

[2504] That makes no sense.

[2505] But their best guess is that the blood vessels near the surface of your skin suddenly dilate because the muscles that have been constricting them are exhausted.

[2506] The sudden dilation of the vessels causes you to feel extremely hot all of a sudden, which that's interesting.

[2507] It is.

[2508] Yeah.

[2509] This sounds like such a wild ride.

[2510] I know.

[2511] I kind of want to experience it.

[2512] No. Don't say that.

[2513] Well, no, where someone finds me who I don't recognize, even though it's my brother.

[2514] You're at, like, the end.

[2515] Yeah.

[2516] I want to get rescued.

[2517] right before the last stage.

[2518] What's the last stage?

[2519] Last stage is organ shut down.

[2520] And before that, you'll lose consciousness.

[2521] I almost thought you were going to say orgasm.

[2522] Last stage is orgasm shut down.

[2523] Okay.

[2524] After you strip off your clothes, another weird one, you might burrow.

[2525] Oh.

[2526] Yeah, it's called terminal burrowing.

[2527] The victim tries to get into a small and closed space just like animals that hibernate.

[2528] One explanation for this behavior is that it's triggered by the most primitive part of the brain, the brain stem as a survival instinct.

[2529] And then 14, you lose consciousness.

[2530] Some of these are a little contradictory, though, because you're not going to be able to move, but then you're going to take all your clothes off and you're going to dig a hole in the ground.

[2531] I think it's just hard to move.

[2532] So it may be, oh, okay.

[2533] 14, you lose consciousness.

[2534] 15, your organ shut down.

[2535] And then you're dead.

[2536] It's like step four, your eyes stop working.

[2537] Step 15, you watch a movie.

[2538] All right.

[2539] So you guys will know.

[2540] If you haven't felt an irresistible compulsion to get up and tear your clothing off, you've got plenty of time.

[2541] You're doing okay.

[2542] Yeah.

[2543] If I were a scientist observing that, though, I really might think I might label that latter stage as horniness.

[2544] Like, oh my God, they're getting up and getting naked.

[2545] Yeah, like if all of a sudden they had been laying there so peacefully forever and then all of a sudden there's like, oh, and they're just tearing their clothes off and getting naked, I might go like, oh, my goodness, one of the last stages is hornyness.

[2546] That would be as good of an explanation as what they say.

[2547] said.

[2548] No, there's made a ton of sense about blood vessels and stuff.

[2549] Kind of kind of, kind of not.

[2550] They said that they had long pulled those, those capulars, their long clothes, and now they open up out of nowhere so that you can explain why they got naked.

[2551] I think it's Ockham's razor would suggest they just got horny.

[2552] All right.

[2553] There's some bad science out there.

[2554] Don't say that.

[2555] I did a lot of due diligence.

[2556] Okay.

[2557] Josh and Jennifer Lawrence are two years apart.

[2558] I think he thought too, and he was right.

[2559] he's older he's older nope I'm sorry he's younger okay nope he is younger Zathura made we probably already talked about this on a previous episode but just in case Zethora made 29 million domestic 64 worldwide I mean is it that bad yeah I think it was a 60 million dollar movie 65 million something like that it's not what they wanted yeah sure it's my fault sure um that's it that's everything yeah well that was a great time yeah happy new year happy new year and i'm so glad we're back yeah welcome back i wouldn't mind getting i'd already miss our reindeer maker yeah we need some noise maker i want to get maybe some new noise makers for 19 fully yeah and then the last thing i'll just say that i'm wrestling with is you know and we just talked about superstition so i'm very superstitious about odds numbers.

[2560] I hate odd numbers.

[2561] I know.

[2562] Yeah.

[2563] I don't want them.

[2564] Yeah.

[2565] So last year, mentally, I was very prepared and I manifested one of the best years in my whole life because 18 is a very even number.

[2566] Yeah.

[2567] And we're going into 19, which gets me a little scared.

[2568] So I'm choosing to focus primarily on the fact that I turned 44.

[2569] Yeah.

[2570] And four is it doesn't get more even.

[2571] You want to talk about a stable number, four.

[2572] Four legs to a chair.

[2573] And then two of them and then two yeah uh so you know that's just where my head's at in case anyone's curious i'm trying to it's also funny how these things like they're so contagious like you i know that about you and i don't have that but then i had it for a minute yeah like i have it a little bit and i don't like that because i didn't have it and now i do Oh, I know.

[2574] I'm sorry.

[2575] Well, my stupid hat on the bed thing.

[2576] I mean, when I see a hat on the bed, well, now I will.

[2577] My heart stops.

[2578] Like, I'm like, oh, fuck, I got to get that hat off the bed before someone I love dies.

[2579] I mean, it's so.

[2580] Oh, my God.

[2581] And that's from a goddamn movie.

[2582] I don't even think there's any historical basis for this.

[2583] I think some board writer wrote it up and put it in that drugstore cowboy movie.

[2584] And now my brother and I both have that.

[2585] It's bad.

[2586] Well, and I will say, just we can.

[2587] end on this, that since I was saying my family has a lot of superstition and a lot of them on New Year's Day, and one of them is that you can't spend money.

[2588] They shouldn't spend money on New Year's Day.

[2589] Right.

[2590] And at one point, I just decided I'm spending money today.

[2591] It's okay.

[2592] I'm going to do it.

[2593] Yeah.

[2594] And I did it.

[2595] And everything's great.

[2596] Yeah.

[2597] So it's okay to, these things are not real.

[2598] Yeah.

[2599] Just okay.

[2600] They're not real.

[2601] I love you.

[2602] I love you, Rob.

[2603] Welcome back.

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