25 - Twenty Knives

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

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[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

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[15] Goodbye.

[16] Did it start?

[17] Hi, Karen.

[18] Georgia, hi.

[19] How are you?

[20] Pretty good.

[21] and yourself.

[22] Thank you.

[23] Good.

[24] Now, we've never met before.

[25] Is that correct?

[26] Not in person.

[27] This whole podcast has been over the phone, right?

[28] Yep.

[29] But now you and I are legally married so you can enter the country.

[30] I'm so excited to not have to be Canadian anymore.

[31] It's such a disgusting place.

[32] kidding.

[33] But we have to like, we have to fake our grand card marriage to the authorities, too.

[34] That's right.

[35] So you're going to have to know a lot about me. Who's my third grade teacher?

[36] You like, wouldn't you say?

[37] Who is my third grade teacher?

[38] Oh, Mrs. Bacon?

[39] Yes.

[40] Sorry.

[41] Go on.

[42] No, let's do more green card testing.

[43] I like it.

[44] That's a really funny thing.

[45] It's like if you're not a true friend, unless you memorize someone else's green card information so that you could pass a green card test.

[46] Would you green card marry someone?

[47] It depends on the situation.

[48] Yeah.

[49] If you're like, you're cool.

[50] I feel like I did that already.

[51] And you didn't even get anything out of it.

[52] You got some nice china.

[53] I really think that that China has gone untouched and can be negotiated for.

[54] Comes in a hutch, full set of gorgeous, totally untouched, yet probably slightly cursed wedding china.

[55] I think this time around I'm going to go for actually someone that I'm.

[56] I like and who likes me back.

[57] Yeah.

[58] I think it'll be better.

[59] I don't even think love needs to factor into it.

[60] I think I could go over just high school crush style enjoyment of another person.

[61] Just, I feel like the, like, this is the mantra, stoked to be around.

[62] Like, I don't have to love them.

[63] You should be stoked to be around them.

[64] I mean, what's the difference?

[65] That's a good point, valid.

[66] I mean, it's, that all works out in the end, right?

[67] You just kind of end up with somebody.

[68] Yeah, that's how, yeah.

[69] And try to remain stoked.

[70] Yeah.

[71] And try to, try to be your best stokeable person for them.

[72] Make sure you increase your stokeability.

[73] Yeah.

[74] So you're not, like, resisting it.

[75] Don't even increase it.

[76] Just, like, make sure your stokeability is, like, on an even plane at all the time.

[77] Like, not at all times, because you can, today I fucking lost my shit and cried and was, like, probably not the stokiest person in the world.

[78] Yeah, I don't, who would want that all the time to be around?

[79] Yeah.

[80] Plus, I look so cute when I cry.

[81] You really looked great when you answered the door, all mad.

[82] My eyes get gray, green.

[83] Yeah.

[84] So do mine.

[85] Yeah?

[86] I look like that one alien lady from Star Trek when I cry.

[87] Oh.

[88] Where it's like, it legitimately scares people, because my eyes turn red in one instant.

[89] Yeah.

[90] And it's, I kind of look like a fire starter a little bit.

[91] I'll see, like, fires because you just get so angry.

[92] Can I tell you who I'm stoked on right now?

[93] Please.

[94] This is going to go into, I'm not sure if this is Celebrity Center or our new segment called Recommendations.

[95] Wait, do we call that anything before?

[96] When we talked about TV shows, we like.

[97] No, let's just call it, check this shit.

[98] Check this shit.

[99] Ben Air, boom.

[100] The new HBO series, The Night of, is so good.

[101] So good.

[102] And I am so intensely in love with Riz Ahmed.

[103] who's the lead guy.

[104] How is he so cute?

[105] It's because his eyes are unnaturally large.

[106] And he uses them against you.

[107] Like he is a trickster.

[108] Like he looks so innocent in this and sweet and like...

[109] What was he in before this?

[110] Sad.

[111] He was in Nightcrawler.

[112] He was the assistant in Nightcrawler.

[113] And he's been in he's been in a bunch of stuff.

[114] He was like in the Centurion movie with Michael Faspen.

[115] Like shit, you're just like, oh, yeah, that guy was in that.

[116] My one guy.

[117] Yes.

[118] Well, he's often plays a Middle Eastern person, so it's that, because he's Pakistani.

[119] Right.

[120] And so, like, he was in the reluctant fundamentalist, I believe it was called, with Ray Donovan.

[121] You know, it's, and he's British.

[122] That's the most amazing part.

[123] Is he British?

[124] Stop it.

[125] So, it's one episode, and that was, like, in the, and it was like a pre -showing of it.

[126] Yeah, it was a sneak preview.

[127] We don't even get the second episode.

[128] And what's this?

[129] Isn't it tonight?

[130] Someone told me it was tonight.

[131] Someone told me that they're showing the actual first episode tonight.

[132] So re -showing the one we've already seen.

[133] Yeah, which is stupid.

[134] So maybe not.

[135] I'll watch it.

[136] Fuck, it's so good.

[137] It's about.

[138] It's like a play.

[139] It's about a dude who basically finds, let's say he finds a body.

[140] Let's just say.

[141] Why explain it?

[142] And go watch it.

[143] Yeah.

[144] Because once you get into it, See, like, when I saw the previews, I thought I knew what it was.

[145] And then once I watched it, I was like, oh, this reminds me of the way the wire felt.

[146] It's a who done it?

[147] Yeah.

[148] And it's like a who done it with John Totoro.

[149] What more do you fucking need in your life?

[150] But also all those actors, like, that guy that played the one cop with the mustache at the station is from Angels in America.

[151] Like, there's all these Broadway and, like, very high level, but not like super commercially known actors in there.

[152] So it all feels really real.

[153] It does feel.

[154] I like that.

[155] So the main cop, really, it's the procedural shit is interesting because the way they talk him into getting a DNA sample from him and then casually say, we also need to swab your dick, bro.

[156] Yeah.

[157] Was like, it seemed so realistic.

[158] It's horrifying.

[159] It's just horrifying.

[160] Yeah.

[161] And they're like, why do you need a lawyer casualty of it all?

[162] Yeah.

[163] Let's not give too much away.

[164] All right.

[165] Get into it.

[166] You, it's, you'll think.

[167] Kessley.

[168] Get into it.

[169] Come back to us.

[170] Let us know what you think.

[171] Also, keep your eye peel for Rizamed, who will be one of the stars of the next Star Wars movie.

[172] He's just an up -and -comer.

[173] He's, he's a fresh young face that will be mine.

[174] Says Karen Kielgarov.

[175] Then that's Karen Kielgarov's take.

[176] That's like, that's like the like, the movie review on like entertainment tonight.

[177] And that's Karen Kilgarraf's take.

[178] That's catchy.

[179] That part's over.

[180] Wait, didn't you have a recommendation?

[181] I think that was it.

[182] Wait, we have the same one?

[183] No, yes, but we were also talking about bloodline and how you said it.

[184] What were you saying about Florida?

[185] I can't, well, I couldn't watch it for, I tried to like binge watch it, but I started getting high on Florida where I was feeling dizzy.

[186] It was all those like beautiful, slightly out of focus shots of the beach and like when all the Christmas lights go, it looks like the beginning of the focus features title card, that's what that whole TV show's like.

[187] It's also like, it's like a hundred and two plus all the humidity.

[188] Yes.

[189] You know, and then what's her name, the sister?

[190] Linda Cardalini.

[191] Thank you.

[192] Like, I knew you'd know that.

[193] Yeah, I'm a fan.

[194] Like, her outfits for a lawyer are, fuck, are you fucking kidding me?

[195] Like, you mean like her very skimpy sundress in all?

[196] She wears these skinned.

[197] She wears these can't be as fuck shorts and these like platform like payless and I'm not talking shit on payless because I fucking wear the shit out of payless shoes but you can't go into a court of law out dress like that you'd be held in contempt girl that's Florida yeah there it's a lot it's and her hair is always so perfect I know I'm lady shaming right now oh it's a TV show and Kevin is just the most realistic character in all in the whole show is that the fuckup brother That's the fuck -up brother.

[198] Yeah.

[199] All right.

[200] Yeah, we had one of those in my family.

[201] Fuck -up brothers?

[202] Like, no matter what happened when they were coming back into town, it was like, oh, everybody get ready.

[203] That's why I'm scared to have kids.

[204] Like, what if you have the fuck -up kid?

[205] Yeah.

[206] Oh, speaking of which, it's not one and four every four people's associate path.

[207] Let's do.

[208] This is Corrections Corner.

[209] It's Corrections Corner.

[210] Because I was about to say you had a one -and -four chance.

[211] I was about to repeat my same incorrect information.

[212] that's what I'm like and you don't correct me and someone I believe off of memory was named Clint Page on the Facebook page who said I don't want to be a correctee person but it is not one in four and then all these other people were like it is I think they were saying it's 25 % right it's like it's like hey oh so next week look for next week's correction corner where we correct what we're saying right now there's some there also So there's one in four people are not psychopaths.

[213] It's like one in, it's not a percent.

[214] I don't know.

[215] That's not one in four.

[216] It is not one of four.

[217] That's way too high.

[218] That's way too low.

[219] That's way too many.

[220] Also, we got a really beautiful email just letting us know.

[221] So last week I did kitty, Genovese as my favorite murder.

[222] Did you say kidney Genovese?

[223] Kidney Genovese.

[224] No, because I was sad because I think she got stabbed.

[225] from the kidneys.

[226] So Karen, that's really insensitive.

[227] I miss her.

[228] That she might have, it's probable that she was a lesbian.

[229] Yeah, they talk about that in the Crime to Remember episode.

[230] Right.

[231] And it's not, you know, this real, this girl wrote a really beautiful email to us about how it's like, she's not trying to correct us.

[232] And it, you know, it's not, it's just a part of it that's like not fair that she didn't get it to be represented as how she was.

[233] And the girl who had to pretend to be her roommate, you know, actually had a huge loss of her partner.

[234] Yeah.

[235] And how sad that was.

[236] and you know now we're in a time when we can we can say that she was a lesbian and not it not be like somehow taint the tragedy of what happened well in that episode of crime to remember they talk about their their gay relationship as being also why people weren't calling the cops because they said there were other gay people in that building that knew like you don't involve the cops no matter what whoa that was part of the element but when you were talking about it because it was from the brother perspective.

[237] Yeah.

[238] I wasn't going to be like, well, and also this, because it's like, if it wasn't in the movie or if he didn't talk about it, maybe they didn't want to talk about it.

[239] Well, here's the thing.

[240] I didn't finish it because my fucking computer wouldn't upload it.

[241] So that could be the whole second part of the goddamn shit.

[242] Oh, okay.

[243] Okay.

[244] That's, yeah.

[245] Well, if everybody gets, I mean, that's awesome that somebody wrote in.

[246] If you get a chance, the crime to remember episode about it is really good, too.

[247] Um, we always close what?

[248] They were the ones that that thought that that guy did not do it that got caught.

[249] Right.

[250] There was a neighbor.

[251] Yeah.

[252] We always close correction corner, which we've never done before with saying, if you're getting your facts from here, like, look somewhere else, bro.

[253] Right?

[254] We like to discuss concepts more than facts and fantasies also.

[255] Yes.

[256] More than facts.

[257] Like there's a reason that this podcast is categorized as comedy.

[258] Yeah, a pretty good reason.

[259] Yeah.

[260] It's not drama.

[261] We're fucking hilarious.

[262] It's not.

[263] fact based.

[264] We do our best, but there's so much talking that it's very easy to take.

[265] Oh, hey, guess what I did?

[266] What?

[267] Guess what I didn't fit a fucking manic episode last night?

[268] What?

[269] Started in an Instagram account.

[270] Oh, nice.

[271] I saw you tweet that, right?

[272] Yeah.

[273] And my favorite murder Instagram account.

[274] And what are you putting on there?

[275] All our arts and crafts?

[276] I think all the arts and crafts and all the, like, I just love all the, like, the inspirational quotes of every episode that are made by show.

[277] she does an incredible job of just like finding the stupidest quotes we put and like making them into like these like great posters inspirational looking posters but it's things like I hope we don't get stabbed right to don't be a fucking lunatic it's very good so there's a lot of art that people are making them posting and wait are you talking about the memes or you talk about that girl that does like hand lettering both oh okay I put them both up got it so I'm just going to post I'm going to post things and stuff related to the podcast.

[278] That's good.

[279] We can also do pictures.

[280] Remember that time that I did that there was that terrible man?

[281] Oh, he was one of the, he was in the story about the babysitter killer.

[282] Oh, yeah.

[283] And he had the craziest, scariest -looking mugshot of all time.

[284] Go to Instagram to see his photo.

[285] Yeah.

[286] I think you're first this week.

[287] Oh, okay.

[288] Right as you got perfectly comfortable.

[289] I'm so comfortable just now.

[290] I waited until you adjusted that pillow.

[291] All right.

[292] So I didn't know that I have a hometown murder, but it took place 15 years after I moved away from my hometown.

[293] So is it technically my hometown?

[294] Yeah.

[295] If that's where you're from.

[296] So we got this really great email from this dude who was like, I've heard you mentioned you're from Irvine and that you worked in the Woodbridge Village Center at this place where I could have been killed.

[297] and we're, like, I just want you to know where are we doing it.

[298] And if you come and, like, visit it, I'll take you to the parking, the parking garage where Christopher Dorner's killing spree started.

[299] Whoa.

[300] And I was, and he's like, which I'm sure you know about.

[301] And I was like, wait, what?

[302] Do you know about this?

[303] I know about Christopher Dornor.

[304] So I do, too.

[305] And this happened in 2013, which is like, not that long ago, which seems like, it seems like so much longer ago.

[306] And I didn't realize it started in Irvine.

[307] I didn't either.

[308] Yeah.

[309] So in February 2013, Christopher Dorner, who was 33, started his killing spree that lasted, I think, two days, a couple days, few days, like a week.

[310] What is life?

[311] So he grew up in Southern California.

[312] He was a former United States Navy Reserve Officer.

[313] He was deployed to Baharan.

[314] He was discharged from the Navy in 2013.

[315] I think it's Bahrain.

[316] Bahrain.

[317] Fuck.

[318] I just, that's a guess, though.

[319] I could also be wrong.

[320] As I was saying it, I was like, I'm not going to be like a Fox News correspondent who says everything wrong.

[321] And so I like said it wrong.

[322] Sorry.

[323] No, don't sorry.

[324] Me sorry.

[325] Okay.

[326] So after his chore and Iraq, it's Iraq, right?

[327] Or is it Iraq?

[328] I pull that A out way longer.

[329] A -Roc.

[330] A -Roc.

[331] He goes to Los Angeles.

[332] He goes back to the police department in 2007.

[333] He's paired with a training officer named Teresa Evans to complete his probationary training.

[334] In 2008, he files a report against her that she used excessive force in her treatment of a suspect who was.

[335] a schizophrenic with severe dementia.

[336] And he says that Evans twice kicked this suspect in the face while he was handcuffed and lying on the ground.

[337] Oh, no. Sound effects by my fucking psychotic child neighbor.

[338] Do you hear that?

[339] Out of his mind.

[340] Screams all the time.

[341] And laughing.

[342] Loud laughing from a child is upsetting.

[343] I think he's crazy.

[344] Like, I feel bad for them.

[345] I think.

[346] Yeah, he sounds pretty insane.

[347] So after he files this report, Dornor gets fired from the LAPD in 2008 from making false statements.

[348] Oh, oh.

[349] They were like, you're fucking lying, basically.

[350] And his attorney at the hearing is Randall Kwan, Q -U -A -N.

[351] And he's like defending Dornor saying that he was treated unfairly and he's being made a scapegoat, basically, you know, saying the police department didn't want to admit that she used excessive force.

[352] so they fired him instead.

[353] Wow.

[354] Because you're not, basically you're not allowed to rat out your fellow officer.

[355] That's what it seems like, Dorner assumed.

[356] So he tries to get his job back with the LAPD's Board of Rights rejected his appeal.

[357] He took his case to court with Randall Kwan as his attorney and a judge ruled against it in October 2011.

[358] So Dornor's like, basically snaps at this point.

[359] So the, The murder start, weirdly enough, with the murder of this Randall Kwan's daughter and her fiancé in Irvine, in a parking structure, which I was just looking up, and I'm pretty sure it's where my dad's apartment was.

[360] No. Yeah.

[361] Which is across.

[362] Like they lived in the same place?

[363] Yeah, I think so.

[364] So I think it happened across the street from where I grew up.

[365] Wow.

[366] where my dad lived because I don't even know so February 3rd 2013 he just fucking goes up to them they're in their car in a parking garage and shoots them and like remember that coming out in the news and it and finding out who the father was and being like oh shit this is like you could tell it was a revenge killing immediately and it's just such a fucking huge bummer that this girl and her 27 years year old fiancé name Keith Lawrence just got shot to death because this guy went crazy so immediately you have no sympathy with this dude.

[367] So this is his public defender that he basically or maybe not public defender but this is his lawyer for that case who they lost the case and he didn't get his job back and so he went and killed that lawyer's daughter and fiance.

[368] And he had this crazy manifesto basically saying basically saying that he didn't fight hard enough he says your lack of ethics and conspiring to wrong a just individual are over suppressing the truth will leave the deadly consequences for you and your family there will be an element of surprise where you work, live, eat, and sleep look your wives slash husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children are dead because you killed them just i mean and the don't kill the judge not the fucking lawyer's family i'm sorry right someone's we don't have to pick okay you're right you know what don't kill anyone a yeah i think that's the option all right right right kill the judge i'm gonna get hate send your send messages to care you're just trying to solve the problem which would be don't kill the family right yeah right so monica kwan and And Keith Lawrence fucking shot to death.

[369] So he has this crazy manifesto.

[370] He wants to seek revenge.

[371] And he just, like, writes this insane.

[372] I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in the LAPD uniform, whether on or off duty.

[373] Like, this motherfucker is like...

[374] He's on one.

[375] He's targeting a large group of people rather than, you know, individuals, which is terrible.

[376] He says he was terminated after he reported excess force, and his attacks are retribution for his termination, as well as cultural racism and violence that continues within a department.

[377] So while search, so suddenly this huge man hunt is on for Dorner, police shoot two, so police suddenly just start shooting people because they're freaking the fuck out.

[378] Yeah.

[379] So there's a truck that the cops thought, was his truck.

[380] They shot the shit out of it.

[381] Yeah, those were the two women delivering the newspaper.

[382] And they just started shooting a truck.

[383] Yeah.

[384] And there's photos online of like how many fucking shots are in this truck.

[385] They also added another pickup truck matching this description over like a dude who was like on his way to go surfing in fucking orange count or like.

[386] And they shot it up.

[387] They shot their shit out of this track.

[388] Both everyone lived, but they also sued the shit out of.

[389] Yeah.

[390] Yeah.

[391] But at the same time, like I'm.

[392] I'm pissed about that, but I'm also like, how terrifying.

[393] I mean, which is, which is better?

[394] Well, I mean, this is the kind of the crux of everything that's happening right now.

[395] Yeah, it's like if you're, it is a high pressure job.

[396] It is a scary job.

[397] And it's the kind of job where you have to be able to handle yourself with a gun.

[398] Right.

[399] So if you think that basically you can't start shooting vehicles because you think your suspect is inside.

[400] That's not the way you're allowed to apprehend people.

[401] And the other thing, too, is like, as a police officer, there's an amount of danger involved with your job that you sign up for.

[402] So you approaching the vehicle and IDing the suspect and possible getting killed by doing that is what's supposed to happen, not the possibility of civilians getting killed, right?

[403] Yes.

[404] And I mean, and that's why there's procedures so that when you approach that vehicle, you're calling in you know what I mean like it's like did they yell put your hands outside of the vehicle and those two women they didn't get close enough to see it was two women they didn't get close enough to see that they didn't speak English I don't know what the problem was I don't know the details about it but like it doesn't make sense that you just it's also a large Jorner was a large black fan and they shot up two women and like a white guy who was a surfer yeah so like clearly they weren't yeah they weren't yeah they weren't weren't doing enough research into this.

[405] Blah, blah, blah.

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[427] Hey, this is exciting.

[428] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[429] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[430] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone, who killed Saz?

[431] And were they really after Charles?

[432] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[433] This season, murder hits close to home.

[434] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[435] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[436] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[437] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[438] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfenakis, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[439] Only Martyrs in the Building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[440] Goodbye.

[441] They find his trek abandon and burning near Big Bear.

[442] And I remember this.

[443] At this point, I was like, fuck, thank God, he's not in Los Angeles.

[444] Like, I totally didn't leave the house.

[445] Yep.

[446] And then two of Riverside's officers were shot in an ambush.

[447] One died.

[448] The other one was taken to the hospital.

[449] And then they believe he just drove up to the vehicle at a stoplight and fired with a rifle at these two.

[450] dudes.

[451] A 34 -year -old Michael Crane, who was on the fucking Riverside Force for 11 years, died.

[452] They searched at least 400 homes in the area.

[453] Terrifying.

[454] Do you think they found anything in certain people's houses?

[455] They were like, we'll be back for this.

[456] Yeah.

[457] Your weird sex swing in the corner.

[458] The Smith Lab, we'll be back for this.

[459] Oh, yeah.

[460] Right now?

[461] Today's your lucky day.

[462] Yeah.

[463] It's about that.

[464] We're watching.

[465] But we'll be back.

[466] Tomorrow will be your unlucky day.

[467] Right, right, right.

[468] So the Manhattan enters his second week, so it was two weeks.

[469] And then Karen and James Reynolds are cleaning out their big bear cabin that they owned and rented out not far from the command center when they were confronted by Dorner who had been living there for a couple days.

[470] Oh, so he broke into their empty big bear cabin.

[471] Yeah, I also want to talk to Karen and James about why they're cleaning out their cabin at a time when there's a massive manhunt for like.

[472] Oh, that's not going to affect us.

[473] We'll just go up there and grab that wood bear toilet paper dispenser.

[474] You know, my aunt Susie's coming up for the weekend, and you know how she gets about dust bunnies.

[475] Why are they Southern?

[476] It's fun.

[477] That's how people know we've gone into a scene lit, which is our newest segment.

[478] Seenlets.

[479] Seenlets.

[480] So Karen and James.

[481] But they're kind of badasses because they were tied up in blindfolded.

[482] He took the keys to their maroon Nissan Rouge.

[483] Didn't know that was a car.

[484] I don't think it is anymore.

[485] It probably isn't because of this.

[486] Discontinued But he He kind of was like He said to them Like I don't want to kill you fuckers Like he wasn't trying to kill civilians Except for the lawyers I think he thought No he had his kill lists He wasn't just going berserk Yeah He didn't want to kill this dude This couple He just had You know he could have shot them And everyone And like taken whenever he wanted it And lived there He could have shot them And stayed there and he didn't Right Not defending him Just saying Yeah So, they used their teeth and a knife.

[487] They knocked off a nearby table to remove the pillowcases from their heads and zip ties from their wrist and then call it 911.

[488] Oh, shit, dude.

[489] Karen.

[490] And who?

[491] What's her husband's name?

[492] Richard?

[493] We're the heroes.

[494] Karen and James Reynolds.

[495] So these, I mean, who escaped zip ties on the reg?

[496] it's Ryan Reynolds parents that's why they're so awesome right so let's see here okay they spotted him driving sorry this was in what season is it is there snow up there is the summertime this is December right what did I say October Karen I'm really sorry I'm trying to paint a mental picture my mind your quizzes every week you quiz me now what season was it And when was he wearing underneath his coat?

[497] So this started in February, so...

[498] So there was probably snow.

[499] Mid -ish February, yes, it was probably cold.

[500] Okay.

[501] Why?

[502] Because I love Big Bear.

[503] It's fun.

[504] Have you ever gone, like, intertubing up there?

[505] No, but I need to.

[506] The best.

[507] You mean, like, when you, like, hang out in an intertube and drink beer and wander around the...

[508] Well, that would be on a river.

[509] Okay.

[510] Is what you're thinking of, right?

[511] That's summertime.

[512] But in the wintertime in Big Bear, they have mountains just off the side of the the road and you can rent inner tubes and then you go up a little like cloth escalator up the side of the snowy mountain get up on the top there's like a teen there with a whistle or whatever yeah and then you just go down and it is the most fun if you're following an instagram account you will see a photo of me at five years old in an inner tube and big bear yeah going down the snowy hill nice my dad lived in like era head for a hot minute do you have a photo let's post our fucking tubing photos uh let's give the people what they want.

[513] Instagram, intertubing photo.

[514] Murder and tubing.

[515] I might just put up a picture, just a picture of an inner tube and just a celebration of intertubes.

[516] Because they really, summer, winter, fall.

[517] What a great vehicle for fun.

[518] Tubes.

[519] The inner tube.

[520] Tubes.

[521] Tubes.

[522] Tubing.

[523] Sorry.

[524] No, don't never be.

[525] Oh, wait.

[526] Where was I?

[527] Karen and Richard have just escaped from the clutches of Oh, my God.

[528] Then they find a purple car because how many purple Nisons are there on the roads?

[529] Probably not a lot.

[530] Purple Nissan Rouge.

[531] I feel like that was his, besides killing people, his biggest mistake.

[532] Yeah, don't get into a purple car.

[533] Don't get into a purple car.

[534] What do you fucking Guy Fieri?

[535] Get out of that car.

[536] This is not the time to floss.

[537] Yeah, this is not the time to be quirky in your car.

[538] Escapeism means a beige or white car.

[539] That's exactly right.

[540] Right?

[541] How about a nice gold, uh, corolla?

[542] No one will ever look at you.

[543] Gold?

[544] Yeah, you well, not like bright gold, but, you know, like a kind of muted.

[545] A muted gold.

[546] A bronze.

[547] Muted tones.

[548] A bronze.

[549] But you know what?

[550] A light blue.

[551] The car I drive, so boring.

[552] Yes, that's right.

[553] Light blue.

[554] I hate it.

[555] It's.

[556] I want a car that like I walk into a parking garage, such as the one that these poor people got killed in.

[557] And I'm like, that's my orange car over there.

[558] You do want to be like, that's my orange car over there.

[559] You do.

[560] want that?

[561] Yes.

[562] You do want an orange car.

[563] Yes.

[564] Okay.

[565] I really want an orange car.

[566] Um, what can you give me an example of an orange car?

[567] There's a lot of Honda fits that are orange.

[568] Oh, yes.

[569] Right.

[570] It's, would you say it's a little more copper than like, say, a clown?

[571] It's a burnt orange.

[572] Great.

[573] And I love it.

[574] That's what I'm looking for is not clown orange.

[575] Good.

[576] Okay.

[577] Can I go on?

[578] Nope.

[579] Also, how do you feel about dark blue?

[580] Electric blue I'm cool with.

[581] Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool.

[582] Dark blue.

[583] Cool, cool, cool, cool, go, cool, go, cool, Elvis, you cool?

[584] Oh, cool?

[585] Okay, let's see, they find, they spot his car.

[586] He's tailing two school buses for cover.

[587] So a purple car is tailing two school buses.

[588] You mean, like, to hide behind them?

[589] Yeah, like to just be like, I'm inconspicuous.

[590] Oh, yeah, no. Don't do that.

[591] Gun battle ensues, um, he crashes and he runs and quickly hijacks.

[592] carjacks a pickup truck again saying to the dude i don't want to kill you get the fuck out of the car like not innocent civilian or like unnot innocent but un involved involved civilians goes to a cap you say not innocent are you just worried that maybe i'm saying i'm not saying that those people are are innocent oh yeah yeah they're like not involved so i don't say they're not innocent They're innocent, too.

[593] Got it.

[594] This dude Collins shows up at the Big Bear Cabin where he's at.

[595] The first there, want to know where he gets shot?

[596] Wait, wait, wait.

[597] Who's Collins?

[598] Collins is a cop.

[599] This San Bernardino police officer, deputy, he gets to the cabin where Doran has run into after he crashes his pickup truck.

[600] Okay, got it.

[601] He makes his final stand here.

[602] We're coming to a close.

[603] Don't worry, people who aren't into killing sprees, which I understand.

[604] gun drawn he gets from the cabin he shot but he lives so don't worry about it yeah beneath his left nostril oh shattered his teeth and exits slightly below his jaw this is the Collins the the poor guy or Collins dude oh shit who made a joke later that he looks better now than he did before like he's a sweet baby angel God bless him I mean and he survived I wouldn't hate getting my teeth shattered out and brand new ones.

[605] I'll just say that.

[606] Karen.

[607] I'm just saying.

[608] There's always a positive.

[609] No. I'd like I'm kicked out.

[610] I was kidding.

[611] So you're going to come with your IPO box or what?

[612] That's what we'll do it.

[613] All of our dreams are going to come true.

[614] I'll keep you from getting killed by putting my teeth in front of whatever the weapon is.

[615] She threw her teeth in front of the bullet.

[616] She gave up those slant, upward slanty Irish teeth as if they were nothing.

[617] Your teeth are fine.

[618] Says the girl with Envisaline.

[619] That sounds like a Madeline book.

[620] Yes.

[621] All right.

[622] Shot again.

[623] The fucking Collins shot again below his left knee.

[624] That's got to hurt.

[625] And in his left arm.

[626] In his face and knee and arm.

[627] This guy, Dorner, was a sharpshooter from the Navy.

[628] So maybe he didn't.

[629] I mean, you get shot in the fucking face.

[630] You're trying to kill someone.

[631] That's a headshot.

[632] That's a head shot.

[633] You can't really talk your way out of that.

[634] No. Also, you made that list of people.

[635] going to kill in manifesto.

[636] Or like this guy who like lives in San Bernardino probably with like his sweet kids and like wife, whatever, ex -wife, I don't know.

[637] And now he's okay to the point where he can make jokes about it.

[638] That's what it seems.

[639] That's what the news says.

[640] Great.

[641] That's all I need to know.

[642] Okay.

[643] Yes.

[644] So yes.

[645] Good.

[646] So police toss smoke devices into the cabin.

[647] Cabin catches fire and burn for hours.

[648] And he was inside.

[649] Yeah.

[650] The sheriff, they said they found charred human remains among the ashes.

[651] So do we even know if it's his body?

[652] And also people said that he had a gun shot in his head, but we don't know that.

[653] I don't know if that's...

[654] So he killed himself and then the cabin burned down?

[655] No, I think he probably was dying from smoke.

[656] And then, I don't know.

[657] And then shot himself?

[658] You know, I stopped investigating at this point.

[659] Karen, sorry.

[660] Sorry.

[661] Well, I just remember the story.

[662] Yeah.

[663] Yeah.

[664] And it was like they have him surrounded, they had him surrounded for a while, then it was like, we're going in.

[665] And it was like, he's dead, it's over.

[666] I was watching this shit probably at a bar.

[667] Yes.

[668] You know, like this was a big news story here in L .A. It really was.

[669] I think L .A. we hate our car, what are they called?

[670] Carjackers?

[671] No, we as people who live in L .A. for a long time, are sick of the news being like car chases.

[672] They're fucking egregious and stupid and obnoxious.

[673] I only saw one recently that ended amazingly where this this woman is like making all these crazy no no no this person is making all these crazy turns i just gave it away yeah and she like finally stops gets out of her car hands up it's a woman everyone in the public house that i'm in cheer because they're stuck that it's a chick and she starts walking towards them with her hands up then fucking makes a bolting beeline to the cop card to steal the cop car and go away no way everyone in the bar like is fucking cheering for her and she gets cops But it was like the sweetest move.

[674] That's amazing.

[675] Yeah, it was great.

[676] What drugs do you think she was on?

[677] All of them.

[678] Okay.

[679] At least, what's the one they always told you not to do?

[680] Angel dust?

[681] Yep.

[682] Yeah.

[683] That's the one where you lift the cop car over your head.

[684] Let's, how about our paris, or what's not, what's it called our, um, Instagram?

[685] No, the one you make money off of.

[686] Uh, on social media?

[687] PayPal.

[688] No. Anyways.

[689] Thank you, Stephen.

[690] How about our Patreon?

[691] We do angel dust and just see what happens.

[692] It's just a video of us doing angel dust.

[693] Like kids, here's what happens.

[694] I'm putting this on the to -do list.

[695] We're going to get dusted.

[696] All right.

[697] I'm finishing this up.

[698] I'm so sorry.

[699] But here's the crazy thing is the police, Los Angeles police announced the department reopened the investigation into his case that led to his termination after he was dead.

[700] What?

[701] And Chief Beck said, I do not appease a murderer.

[702] I do it.

[703] it to reassure the public that their police department is transparent and fair in all things we do.

[704] Wow.

[705] I know.

[706] That happened recently?

[707] This happened on Google.

[708] Why have I asked you one question?

[709] I feel very bad.

[710] Should I be embarrassed?

[711] No. Not at all.

[712] I just meant like was it a I know what you mean.

[713] Here's my thing.

[714] It seems like every day we spend every other police department in the world looks terrible.

[715] Yeah.

[716] And slowly but surely LAPD doesn't seem so bad.

[717] They really don't.

[718] These days.

[719] These days they don't.

[720] If you watch the The Simpsons 30 by 30, they don't look so good.

[721] They don't and that's why I feel like they're trying to be like, sorry about that one.

[722] But I mean, something like that where it would be worst case scenario if it was like, what if he was right the whole time?

[723] Yeah.

[724] That's nightmareish.

[725] Well, some people get fired and don't go fucking nuts.

[726] But guess what?

[727] They don't get talked about on my favorite murder, do they?

[728] That's right.

[729] Well, also, the fact that there's a probably at least a 50 to 50 chance he had PTSD from being...

[730] Absolutely.

[731] From being in Baharan?

[732] Where is it?

[733] Barrein.

[734] Barrein.

[735] He probably had PTSD.

[736] His neighbors said that he was a member of an admired, well -liked family who usually kept to themselves.

[737] That's always a bad sign.

[738] Don't keep to yourself, you guys.

[739] Put it out there on the porch.

[740] He was divorced in 2007, no kids.

[741] So he probably lost his mind.

[742] And then you lose this job that you've been working towards since high school when you went into the Navy.

[743] Yeah.

[744] That's probably your identity.

[745] And it's like what.

[746] And he was probably correct in her using excessive force.

[747] And he was probably correct in the internal racism, which we all know is a very real fact that all police departments aren't allowed to acknowledge.

[748] Like this guy would have gotten his day of celebrating if he just had not gone on a killing spree.

[749] Like I feel like by now he would have been like exonerated?

[750] Well, I wonder.

[751] That'd be really interesting to know if like if it goes back that if it reverses itself.

[752] But the problem is like he was one of those people where he couldn't handle the shame.

[753] Like he was basically publicly shamed and had his identity taken away.

[754] And then it's like, Those, there are people who, if you, if you do that to them, they have to retaliate.

[755] Yeah.

[756] And I guess, sit with it.

[757] He, he reported this crime in 2008.

[758] What happened in 2007, he got a divorce in 2007.

[759] So it's just like, he's in a world of pain.

[760] Yeah.

[761] So I did, so I of course went to Reddit because I'm like, what do they have to say?

[762] It's always something good.

[763] So Doc Gray, 187 ,000, as I read that, I'm like, he might be not 187.

[764] he says his manifesto sounded so plausible.

[765] I don't want people killed or otherwise, but it's understood that sometimes humans have to kill humans, isn't it?

[766] Cops carry guns, soldiers carry guns.

[767] The only question is justification, right?

[768] So if the government and their guard dogs are thoroughly corrupt, as Donner asserted, and use unnecessarily deadly force, have callous disregard for human life and are in a mutual protection agreement with prosecutors, what are good people supposed to do.

[769] Yeah.

[770] And he says, do you know how Dornor was caught?

[771] He carjacked a dude on a secluded road and told him, I don't want to hurt you and then let him go.

[772] And that dude turned him.

[773] And he also commandeered that cabin, but let the residents live.

[774] Contrast with the innocent civilians, the LAPD hurt in their quest to get Dornor and his gruesome death.

[775] Who am I supposed to root for?

[776] Well, that's a, it's not a binary thing.

[777] It's not, you don't root for anybody because here's the thing.

[778] Those cops didn't want to kill anybody, but they were reacting.

[779] They are the ones being hunted.

[780] And maybe they weren't trained well enough to know what to do in a situation like that.

[781] It immediately just makes me go, the night that they investigated, the John Bonnet murdered, they sent the two newest cops over because it was Christmas.

[782] It's that kind of thing.

[783] Before we get hate mail, I want to assure everyone that I don't hate cops.

[784] I think they're fucking, I think the majority are working their asses off to be good people and have, you know, the best interest of, and it's a hard job and you're putting your life on the line.

[785] You just only hear about the bad ones.

[786] Well, but, and you, but the problem is I heard a DJ talking about this.

[787] I tweeted about it.

[788] A DJ.

[789] He was just saying there's never any, they just never cop to anything.

[790] And you can't do that when you're shooting people dead in cars.

[791] when you have people who are shooting people in the back or strangling them on video, you can't continually be like, they're innocent, that's when you're built, if you, if you're never being a stand -up, you know, and never, you know, these are obviously getting, if you're not getting punished by the higher -ups and saying that they did this thing wrong, that means that there's no accounting for the behavior.

[792] And it's acceptable.

[793] Yeah.

[794] That's a huge fucking problem.

[795] And if it's the same people, but getting targeted all the time, I mean, this snares you right into the Christopher Dorner story snares you into everything that's happening right now.

[796] I know.

[797] In our culture.

[798] I know.

[799] Yeah.

[800] That'd be horrifying if he was completely innocent and then just basically snapped.

[801] Yeah.

[802] As opposed to the story that was built in the media is kind of like, oh, here's this crazy guy that, like, tried to lie about somebody else.

[803] And, you know, they had him, they had him, like, vilified from the beginning.

[804] Yeah.

[805] Well, I just touched probably a ton of nerves of listeners, so go to my P .O. box and let me know what you think.

[806] I feel like people listen to this to get nerves touched.

[807] I mean, that's the whole idea.

[808] By the way, I also checked out my P .O. box number.

[809] Yeah.

[810] If you can't live with it, why do it?

[811] I can't do it.

[812] Yeah.

[813] I'd rather not have presents from listeners.

[814] I think it's fine.

[815] So, yeah, that's my favorite murder of this.

[816] Irvine.

[817] Irvine.

[818] Karen.

[819] How was that?

[820] Was that okay?

[821] Yeah.

[822] Mine happened in the same year.

[823] Oh, my God.

[824] There's a lot of similarities, which is super weird.

[825] Interesting.

[826] And this is a murder story that I had two different, separate non -people that don't know each other, friends of mine ask if I had done the story yet.

[827] It's the Cheshire murder.

[828] Ooh.

[829] And you've probably seen a 20th century.

[830] or a nightline about it.

[831] It was super famous.

[832] It happened around the same time as the Oklahoma bombings, but it was more talked about in the news more consistently because it was that really infamous Connecticut's home invasion story.

[833] That's a nightmare.

[834] Home invasion from start to finish.

[835] It's a nightmare.

[836] It's a nightmare.

[837] And also, this is just sinister and creepy because Cheshire, Connecticut.

[838] So there's a documentary on HBO called, Cheshire murders, I highly recommend.

[839] I watch that this morning and it will tell you the entire story, but it's very hard because it's all the relatives.

[840] So it's just like everybody right there on camera talking about how it feels and it's incredibly rough because this is a, you know, this is a multiple rape murder situation on a family who live in one of the those towns where when they show all the shots, it's like all the A -frame houses with the lawns, there's no fences between any of the yards.

[841] And the area these people lived in was pretty upscale.

[842] So basically what happened is on the night of July 22nd at 7 .30 at night, Jennifer Hockpetit went to the stop and shop with her 11 -year -old daughter, Michaela.

[843] And they're just shopping for groceries and they're spotted by a recent parolee named Joshua Kamasuriyaski is basically how you pronounce that last name.

[844] They said it in this documentary probably 30 times and every time I'd say it along with them or repeat it after I heard it and I still it's Kamasariyevsky or Kamasar Jepsky I'm not sure.

[845] Okay.

[846] So this guy's watching them in the grocery store.

[847] I might as well just get to this part now, a very upsetting part in this documentary is this guy who is in his like mid to late 20s.

[848] I want to say 27 and I can't see it on my paper but he had a girlfriend like in the years prior and the father of that girl that this guy dated talks on camera about how they said that they thought they wanted to get married And the father said, I have two problems with that.

[849] You're a career criminal and you're a pedophile.

[850] And he's like, and my daughter looks and acts a lot younger than she is.

[851] And so this girl who is the same age as him is on camera.

[852] And she completely, if you said she's 16 or 15, you'd be like, sure.

[853] And she was like in her mid -20s.

[854] Holy shit.

[855] So it's, there was some part that got confusing where it was like he also tried to date her younger sister.

[856] And it was a thing.

[857] So this guy, and of course it turns out that later in the documentary, it turns out that he was molested as a child, very young, terribly, and for most of his life.

[858] So he had, he was adopted this father that they show a couple pictures of is one of the most disturbing looking individuals, like always right behind him, kind of creepy.

[859] Oh my, how did I not see this documentary?

[860] It's pretty good.

[861] I mean, the thing is, by the time you got to the part where they're talking about what life was like, for these two dudes that did this home invasion you're like, oh, I don't care.

[862] Yeah, I don't care.

[863] These are monsters.

[864] I don't care.

[865] Because that happens to a lot of people, not a lot, hopefully, but, and they don't become monsters.

[866] Exactly.

[867] The only thing, though, is, it is interesting because when something like this happens, over and over, people go who could do this, who, how do you do something like, I don't understand how could you do this?

[868] How could you do this?

[869] And most people just go from that question to kill them.

[870] Just kill them.

[871] Don't, why even give them a trial?

[872] It's that mentality, which we all, because it's so hard to comprehend.

[873] It's just like this compounded abuse that's just generations long probably because the guy who abused them was abused too.

[874] I mean, it's bad.

[875] But it's interesting.

[876] No, no, no, because that's a thing with pedophiles is that oftentimes that's where it's coming from as it happened to them.

[877] But it puts a very strange light on an already very upsetting case.

[878] They go home from this grocery store, the mom and daughter, go home.

[879] This guy follows them home and goes and sees where they live.

[880] He had just, he was living in a halfway house or he had just gotten out of a halfway house.

[881] He was just paroled and so was his friend Stephen Hayes, who is considerably older and also has a very long.

[882] Both of them have crazy long criminal records.

[883] Both are like burglars or whatever.

[884] This guy.

[885] And when they talked about it.

[886] Josh Commissar Yesky They actually say He had a photographic memory He was incredibly intelligent He was an incredibly talented Artist And they start showing these illustrations That he did And they look somewhat They reminded me immediately Of the pictures In Silence of the Lambs When Dr. Lecter has those hand -drawn pictures of like Italy You know that like he's basically drawn his own pictures So he from memory.

[887] It's the exact same thing where this guy has these illustrations that are like so insanely detailed and beautiful and amazing.

[888] So, and he had, you know, so he's a, he's a smart person, but a very cunning and very sociopathic.

[889] And so was the other guy, Stephen Hayes, two of his brothers in this documentary, talking about him, how he was a monster from their childhood.

[890] It was like burning their hands on stoves, like nightmare, older brother shit that they had to live with.

[891] um so of course in the end of this when these two guys get caught they tell the exact opposite stories of it was this guy's idea and so it's very interesting because one guy looks like something out of a movie of a bad guy and the other guy looks like a young pot dealer that would live in san die but the truth of it is they think that it's the young guy that was the mastermind beyond the artist the smarter guy yeah sure so anyway those two meet up at a and they talk about their plan and how they're going to go rob this house and at 3 a .m., they go up to the house and when they walk up they see that Dr. William Petit is sleeping on the screened -in porch on the front.

[892] And so Josh goes and grabs a baseball bat from the front lawn that they passed on their way in, takes it and starts beating this guy in the head.

[893] How do you go to a house at 3 in the morning?

[894] Like, you're just asking for go, you know, go in the middle of the day when no one's home.

[895] You want to find people there.

[896] No, they wanted this, the Josh guy, part of his thing was they said when he would go in Bergle houses, he would go in different rooms.

[897] He would, he would pick places like, it would be like a state troopers house that he would be Berkeley.

[898] And he would, after he stole all the things he wanted to steal, he would stand and listen to people breathing.

[899] Holy shit.

[900] Uh -huh.

[901] And then also the guy that was talking about him, I think it was probably one of his old defense lawyers, said that he could remember every, single thing he stole where it was where the like item if he took a wallet out of a pair of pants it was hanging on the back of the chair like he had a photographic memory weird yes so that part of the joy of it was the fact that he knew that family was home at least they know that for that was his pattern in the past okay so they beat the father in the head tie him up and put him down in the basement and tie his wrists and ankles to a pole in the basement he's got, his head is split down the front and then there's like three huge gashes in the back of his head.

[902] Oh, honey.

[903] So he's down in the basement.

[904] They have him shut down there.

[905] Then they tie up the mother and both daughters in each of their respective rooms, tie hands and feet to the bed, put pillowcases over their head and shut the doors of all those rooms.

[906] Then they ransack the whole house.

[907] And by the time they're done looking through everything, they're not happy with hall.

[908] They didn't get enough.

[909] And they find a Bank of America bank book and they see that the amount in the bank is like over 15 grand or it's a bunch.

[910] And so they're like, here's what we're going to do.

[911] When it's 9 a .m. and that bank opens, you're going in there, you're taking out $15 ,000 and you're bringing it back here to us.

[912] And then we will leave you alone.

[913] So at 9 a .m., this woman goes into her bank, goes up to the teller, says, I'd like to her with.

[914] through all $15 ,000, and as they're doing their business, she says, I'm doing this against my will.

[915] People broke into our house last night.

[916] The guy drove me here.

[917] He's in the parking lot outside right now.

[918] He has my family back at the house.

[919] His partner has the family back at the house.

[920] She actually was quoted.

[921] The teller said that she said, they're mostly nice.

[922] I think they just need this money.

[923] And she's like, but you need to tell the police.

[924] because, you know, I was, I was told to come in here and not say anything.

[925] And so, like, please handle this.

[926] And so the teller, there's a woman in this documentary who was in the bank when all this happened.

[927] And she said she saw the bank manager run from the teller's little depot into her office and shut the door and start making the phone call.

[928] So it happened, like, immediately.

[929] And then Jennifer Petit got her money and left the bank.

[930] So she didn't wait around or anything because I, surely she was probably on like a timeline or, living or something.

[931] So Stephen Hayes is in the car waiting for her outside.

[932] The other guy's back at home.

[933] The other guy's back at home.

[934] So they find a video footage, gas station, video surveillance that Hayes had bought $10 worth of gas from two gas cans that he'd gotten from the pet at home before they went to the bank.

[935] So they know it's premeditated murder.

[936] So when they get back...

[937] Oh my God.

[938] Does she know they have gas?

[939] Extra gas?

[940] I don't know.

[941] No, because she's tied up in the room.

[942] So I think they're doing all that.

[943] business themselves.

[944] So when, so this is where the story's split because Josh has one story and Stephen has the other.

[945] The Stephen's story is he gets back from the bank with Mrs. Pettit and he thinks they're going to take this money.

[946] He's picking him up and they're leaving.

[947] When he walks in, Josh says, I, I have left DNA in one of the children.

[948] We have to burn this house down.

[949] We have to kill them and burn this house down.

[950] Holy shit.

[951] And that's when Steven's like, I was not in this.

[952] that in according to him he he was like this is crazy then he looks outside and sees that from the moment that bank teller got on the phone with 9 -1 -1 like it was minutes later they say like three to five minutes later cops were outside of this house so they look outside stephen sees that there's cops outside which you know she had promised him he would not call the cops and he goes crazy, he starts strangling her, the mom.

[953] Oh, no, I don't like this.

[954] It's bad.

[955] He strangles her, rapes her after he strangles her.

[956] Oh my God.

[957] Okay, it's like a week away, it's like a week away from Fourth of July, Fourth of July past a week ago.

[958] My fucking neighbors are still, this has been happening all week.

[959] They've been letting off fucking fireworks.

[960] That was the worst time that could have happened That was so loud And I saw, fuck it I saw the spark I did too And there was like a big flash Huh Wow My heart Do you want to shut that since now there's Um Wow Fuck sake We're trying to We're trying to talk about murder Um What the Oh my God That's hilarious So okay I can't wait to hear that Yeah Um I think so many people have their headphones in right now and got so freaked out when that happened I wonder, yeah, because it was, that was crazy loud.

[961] And we both, we all freaked out.

[962] You know what?

[963] That was like our podcast version of, you know, in a movie when suddenly a car gets side, like fucking T -bone?

[964] Or they closed the, um, the medicine cabinet and there's someone in the house.

[965] We just, it was like we like put that into our own scary, scary, that was scary enough as it was.

[966] Guys, don't be mad at us because we're as upset you are.

[967] It's not more.

[968] Now here come the cops.

[969] Did you hear that?

[970] Okay.

[971] okay.

[972] So Stephen Hayes has just strangled and raped the mother.

[973] So it turns out while they were at the bank, he, Josh, had gone upstairs and raped the 11 -year -old.

[974] The one who he thought looked like his ex -girlfriend?

[975] yes but she was 11 there was a 17 year old daughter yeah that no nobody went into her room ever after so it's super crazy and when you hear his confession on tape it's super disgusting because he he is using so many euphemisms and kind of trying to talk like they chatted and they were talking about school and i brought her a glass of water like it's all very sweet borderline romantic in his mind.

[976] It's super gross.

[977] So then they pour gas over both girls still alive.

[978] No, no, no, no, no, no, no. And then throughout the entire house, light the house on fire, and then run out the front door, get into the Pettit's car, drive one block away, get pulled over and arrested.

[979] So the entire time, now, in the aftermath, when they made an ounce the mayor or the city, you know, councilmen or whoever were like, and we'd like to thank the police and the fire did a great job and all this stuff.

[980] Well, it turned out from when they finally, because they had like kind of redacted all of this information.

[981] They weren't, there was a gag order on the whole story.

[982] They, like, the press couldn't report on it on any details.

[983] They didn't know any details about it.

[984] And then they finally get like the phone reports and the 911 calls and everything.

[985] And they had a perimeter.

[986] They were setting up a perimeter.

[987] They were setting up a perimeter five minutes after the 911 call came in from the bank and they were all just sitting outside in that perimeter they had no one had called on the phone no one had knocked on the door no one had even approached the house in any way they heard mrs pettit screaming and nobody went up they um the house caught on fire and they still didn't do anything so basically in the amount of time between when they went to the bank and came back is when all of the major crimes happened and the police were just sitting outside not taking action, which you know, it's, this is a town that was like 25 ,000 people so again, and there were some people that argued that this is a small town, but this is a small town in terms of police handling major crimes.

[988] So they had basically no idea what to do and just set up a perimeter and waited and didn't do anything.

[989] So that, like, those, those, God damn it.

[990] That was, that sounded like an actual firework.

[991] Yeah, you could, I just saw like Disneyland thing out there.

[992] Yeah, except this is fucking Los Felis.

[993] Yeah, fucking Disneyland.

[994] Yeah.

[995] And fireworks are illegal in Illinois County.

[996] Also, in an addition.

[997] And, it's been happening pretty much every night since 4th of July.

[998] I mean, it's, isn't it like July 10th now?

[999] It's like July 10th right now.

[1000] It's six days later.

[1001] Guys, anyway, to wrap it up, when Dr. Pettettett escaped the basement, he, it was basically right around the same time as the house was lit on fire.

[1002] He was like, smelled the smoke and whatever.

[1003] And so he, with his, I'm looking at fireworks over your shoulder.

[1004] I'm moving.

[1005] I'm fucking moving.

[1006] So Dr. Pettettettett runs up the back stairs.

[1007] feet are still bound he's like hopping with a bloody face across to his neighbors and there's like a little forest in between his house and the neighbor's house and he sees the cops hiding behind trees and is screaming help my family save my family as he's running over to the neighbor's house and they're just keeping their positions oh my god so all of that part they like effectively swept that part under the rug and the family kept asking questions and like it was like there's a gag order we can't tell you anything and it wasn't until the case happened that they found out all this horrible shit of all the really hideous details of what happened and then they also um Joshua's diary was uh put into evidence and um basically after they got arrested they both turned on each other said it was the other person's idea um and it's really hard to to pull apart because even in this documentary like you can see how Josh could be the mastermind, but you could also see how Stephen Hayes could, I mean, this idea, like, when his lawyer was trying to tell that story of like, oh, he saw the cops and that, he felt very betrayed and that's why he strangled and raped Mrs. Petit.

[1008] It's like, yeah, I don't think so.

[1009] No, people don't strangle and rape people when they feel betrayed as a whole.

[1010] I mean, they say it's like explosive anger reaction or whatever, but it's like, I don't know.

[1011] I feel like they probably were planning on doing that anyway.

[1012] Yeah.

[1013] So anyway, they're convicted of the murders and they're sentenced to death in 2010.

[1014] Well, that was Stephen Hayes was convicted in 2010.

[1015] Joshua Kamasayevsky was convicted in 2011 and sentenced to death in 2012.

[1016] And in August 2015, the state of Connecticut abolished the death penalty.

[1017] So no, Hayes and Kamasuriyoski had both of their death sentences commuted and now they're serving life sentences.

[1018] What do you think?

[1019] Who do you think was the mastermind?

[1020] You know, it seems to me that it's the younger guy.

[1021] It seems to me that it's the Joshua Kamasuriyoski guy.

[1022] Because he's the one who raped the 11 -year -old.

[1023] Yep.

[1024] He's the one that had this kind of plan.

[1025] Yeah.

[1026] And I think he's the one that like the other guy was a burglar and kind of on drugs.

[1027] drugs and stuff.

[1028] I think that guy was a career criminal in that way, but I think Joshua had some really, really deep, serious emotional problems.

[1029] Well, when you think of like, hey, when you think of someone saying, hey, I found this house that's perfect for us to break into, like, one of them knows who's in that house and what's going on.

[1030] Yes.

[1031] The other one might not.

[1032] And so it seems that he had an ulterior motive for sure.

[1033] And the other guy, didn't at first.

[1034] Right.

[1035] He just wanted to make some easy money or like, just thought it was like, they're out of jail, they're out of a halfway house, they need jobs.

[1036] You can't get a job as an ex -con very easily.

[1037] Yeah.

[1038] You know, they're just trying to get back to it.

[1039] And also, that guy, Joshua, was kicked out of the army, which is always a bad sign.

[1040] They didn't go into any of the details of that, though.

[1041] Anyway, the Cheshire murders, it's an old HBO documentary, so I found it on HBO now or go or something on my Apple TV.

[1042] but it's really interesting and really it just fucked with everyone it's considered the worst crime in Connecticut history those poor little girls and it fucked with everybody because it was home invasion so it was just like your utopian life can be invaded by two criminals who are you know it's almost like there's on one hand do you have like burglary you have you're not home someone comes in and steals your shit but someone who's bold enough to do a home invasion robbery that's scares the shit out of me. The person who would be willing to do that is has no has no what well part of the enjoyment at least they know for a fact that Joshua had was the fear that he liked the fear he put into people because and that he actually wrote a bunch of stuff about it in his diary that was on this thing that was just basically like that's he feels that scared and and freaked out and wants to scream inside all the time.

[1043] And so it makes him feel better to see people torture like that.

[1044] Yeah.

[1045] When you're the one whose people are fear, then you're not.

[1046] Yeah.

[1047] Holy shit.

[1048] It's deep.

[1049] It's dark.

[1050] And yeah.

[1051] I'm staying home from now on for the rest of my life.

[1052] But then what if there's a home invasion robbery?

[1053] Well, and also, that's where all the fireworks are.

[1054] So home is where the fireworks are.

[1055] You know?

[1056] Oh, man. Yeah.

[1057] Elvis is hiding under the bed right now.

[1058] So we can't end the show until he comes out.

[1059] My friend, Sean, who asked me if I was going to do this, the one that's from Cheshire, Connecticut.

[1060] So when he watched this documentary, he kept talking about how freaked out he was because it was his, he goes, that's my bank.

[1061] I've been to that bank so many times.

[1062] Oh, my God.

[1063] Like, this was his hometown murder, and he was just like, he said watching this documentary, it was just like, that's his town.

[1064] Ooh, that's scary.

[1065] Should we do a hometown murder real quick?

[1066] Okay, before we end, let me, let's, let's see.

[1067] see let me find one tell me about tell me about your week no oh we're going to be at Comic -Con except you're not right I'm going to be at Comic -Con um Farrell Audio is having a Comic -Con panel so everyone should come to that on Thursday okay what's the date Thursday what I don't know it'll be on our Instagram everyone should come to that Okay, bye.

[1068] I think it's the 17th?

[1069] No, it's, sorry, I'm jumping in.

[1070] It's the 21st.

[1071] There you go.

[1072] 21st.

[1073] It's Dan Harmon's panel.

[1074] Okay, so this guy, Jason, sent us a hometown murder.

[1075] I'm from a small town in Alabama, about 15 miles north of Birmingham called Gardendale.

[1076] Sleepy suburb, not much going on.

[1077] In 1994, I was a senior year of high school.

[1078] I went to a local punk rock show put on by a DIY venue roughly 10 miles from town tiny community center that would put on local shows on Saturday and then would have a local church meeting on Sunday typical crowd of underage kids just trying to find something to do there was a few local bands and a touring act blah blah blah punk in the 1994 around 60 teens small space I remember during the show hearing murmurs about a kid walking around the show about him being crazy, and it wasn't until I saw it that I got freaked out.

[1079] Two years previous, a kid moved into town from a neighboring area.

[1080] I met him because we rode the same bus.

[1081] We hit it off as bus friends.

[1082] In 94, Kenny and three of his friends were out drinking and driving around looking for something to do.

[1083] They were driving up the interstate when they happened upon a hitchhiker, Vicki Lynn, DeBlo, I think is DeBlo.

[1084] They thought it would be fun to pick her up and see what they could get into.

[1085] Oh, dear.

[1086] I don't want to read this.

[1087] They had her fingers towards the end of what happened to her.

[1088] They cut off her fingers.

[1089] You're not going to do the middle part.

[1090] Nope.

[1091] And the finger is what the boy was showing off at that DIY show.

[1092] They said they murdered this girl.

[1093] They took her teeth and DNA.

[1094] I mean, teeth.

[1095] Fucking fuck.

[1096] Come on.

[1097] They took her teeth and her fingers so she couldn't be identified.

[1098] And this kid is showing it off at the show.

[1099] At first, I thought it wasn't real.

[1100] And then someone else told me it was probably, dug up from a recent burial, which still freaked me out.

[1101] It wasn't until a few days later did I find out that it actually was real.

[1102] Seems he had been showing off the finger around town and bragging about it.

[1103] Needless to say, the police quickly found out.

[1104] All the boys were charged and convicted of murder.

[1105] They all got the death penalty, but a few years later, three of the boys who were 17 at the time, Heather Death Sense has commuted to life.

[1106] The fourth boy who had just turned 18, no such luck for him, as far as I know.

[1107] They are all still locked up.

[1108] for fuck's sake was the middle part that they all raped her I think they just like killed her in a really brutal fucked up way that I don't want to share can you imagine like what then why am I asking for hometown murders and reading them is that right no no no no I respect your if you need to make the call on the editing that it's too much it just feels I don't I'm not this isn't this guy's fault this is the story I'm just saying like me reading it feels a little like egregious It feels a little like indulgent And like this poor girl who went through enough Doesn't need to be indulged Like you can find it online And doesn't need to be indulged And me like reading the gruesome details Of her poor murder Right?

[1109] It's whatever you feel like doing I know you know why Why?

[1110] This is our world This is our fucking firecracker world Elvis Oh wow Elvis doesn't want a cookie I bet he does All right You guys go to Instagram My Favorite Murder Twitter is my fave murderer We have a Facebook group of course We're going to be at the L .A. Podfest In September So come to that There's tons of really good people That are going to be there It's going to be really fun Thank you guys for listening We really love this podcast And we appreciate that you guys listen It's super awesome times And you know what stay sexy.

[1111] And don't get murdered.

[1112] Elvis?

[1113] Want a cookie?

[1114] Want cookie?

[1115] One cookie?

[1116] All right.

[1117] Thanks guys.

[1118] Bye.

[1119] Bye.