#813 - Shane Dorian

[0] This is the first time, Jamie's ever had a false stunt.

[1] He's getting tricky.

[2] That's real?

[3] That's real.

[4] We're live.

[5] Shane Dorian, how are you, brother?

[6] What's going on?

[7] I'm doing great.

[8] Thanks for doing this, man. I really appreciate it.

[9] Yeah, no problem.

[10] I'm happy to be here.

[11] Thanks for having me. My pleasure.

[12] You come highly recommended by my friend Ben O 'Brien, who's an awesome dude.

[13] And apparently you guys had a great time in New Zealand, bow hunting.

[14] Yeah, I love Ben.

[15] He's very Texas.

[16] Yeah, we had a really good old time down there.

[17] I had never been to I had never been to New Zealand for hunting before I'd been there for surfing so it was really cool to go and see different parts of the country and do some hunting out there and do some backcountry stuff surfing there is it as dangerous as surfing in Australia as far as like sharks no not as dangerous I'd say you know there are there are pretty close to Australia it's like a one hour flight yeah that's what I was thinking the same sharks are over there but I don't know I don't really think of sharks as as much there's no you have a you have a total radical fear of sharks fuck yeah they're scary scary creatures man I'm fucking horrified how close have you come to them you should be you should be um very close yeah I got bumped off my board when I was a kid oh no surfing at a place you know sort of near my house but the water was the the sand was black so yeah like I really couldn't the water's actually clear but the sand was black so it bumped me and I never really got to see what it was but I'm pretty sure it was a shark and uh there's a lot of sharks in Hawaii a lot of sharks wherever the waves are good it seems like there's a lot of sharks man yeah well that's not a coincidence is it I don't know man they're just everywhere yeah they're crazy is you know it's funny about sharks as I was I was that there's you know growing up I always thought you know the only real sharks I had to worry about were you know great whites and you know I was born and raised in Hawaii that's where I grew up surfing and um you know always thought like great white sharks They're always in, like, really cold places.

[18] I don't really have to worry it around home.

[19] And they've been finding a ton of Great White Sharks around, you know, where I live now.

[20] They're all over Hawaii now.

[21] And Great White Sharks are actually warm -blooded, so they can actually, they can totally adjust their, I guess, their body temperature to be able to totally survive and thrive in warm water as well as cold.

[22] So they just go wherever the hell they want.

[23] Yeah.

[24] Every time I go to Hawaii, whenever I turn on the news, the low.

[25] local news some dude got bit oh yeah yeah how often has it happened there pretty often there's a lot of sharks and you know what's funny is it never used to happen when i was a kid it wasn't even really a thought for me i mean i was scared of sharks and all that stuff but people didn't really get started getting chomped until i was a little bit in the last in the last 10 years there's been tons and tons of shark attacks in hawaii a friend a friend of mine bethany hamilton she's a really really talented surfer she got bit she got her arm chomped right off her body oh that girl A little young girl, yeah.

[26] Yeah, and Kauai surfing perfect waves out with her friend, and Shar came up and just ripped her arm right off her body.

[27] How gangster is she that she just gets right back on the board?

[28] And she survived.

[29] She's badass.

[30] She's super badass.

[31] She actually surfed some of the biggest waves all year last year.

[32] She got towed into a place called Jaws on Maui, and surfing 50 -foot waves with one arm, you know, getting pounded by giant waves, and she paddles into some huge waves with one arm.

[33] Wow.

[34] Yeah, and gets held underwater with one arm.

[35] I mean, imagine he held under from a giant wave, underwater, you know, like trying to, you know, just, I mean, I know people who are terrified of surfing big waves with two arms and, you know, they're underwater wanting a breath and she's under there with one arm.

[36] Imagine having, like, your arm tied to your side and having to try and swim to the surface in big waves.

[37] It's pretty scary.

[38] Now, when you get hit by a big wave like that and you get sucked under, how long are you under normally for?

[39] usually a pretty short amount of time but it really varies you know the the worst thing about surfing really big waves and though we've had a lot of people die surfing big waves and it is super dangerous um the thing that kills people is getting held under for two waves so if you fall on a wave like if you take off on a wave and you fall and you're underwater for a super long time and this has happened to me a couple different times um you're underwater really far and then you start you know the wave hold you you under and is rolling you along the reef towards the shore and you're underwater near the bottom or at the bottom and then the waves just starts to dissipate and lose a little bit of power so you can finally start swimming up and then the next wave is meanwhile it's on its way and you're swimming up swimming up and the waves coming at you and you don't get a breath and the wave takes you straight back down and that's how people die yeah it's scary shit so how long have you been held under for about a minute and ten seconds it's a long time the only reason I know that is because I had a terrible wipeout at a big wave place in northern California called Mavericks.

[40] It was my first trip ever there, and I was having this awesome trip.

[41] It's like, you know, it's one of the best big waves in the world.

[42] I always wanted to go there, but I was pretty scared of it, and I ended up going there and having a, the first day I was there was super good.

[43] I had a blast.

[44] I didn't fall once.

[45] I had just had like a dream session.

[46] Caught all these big waves.

[47] I thought I was killing it.

[48] Next day, it just absolutely smashed me. I took off on a wave.

[49] ate shit down the face.

[50] got sucked over the falls, held under forever on the reef, and I was swimming towards the surface, and the next wave was like a 50 -foot face, broke right on top of me, shoved me straight back down to the reef.

[51] And as I was swimming up to try and get a breath, I was doing those involuntary, you know, when you're going like that.

[52] And I was like, shit, I got to get a breath now.

[53] And then all of a sudden I was at the bottom.

[54] And yeah, I was really scary, really It's a scariest time of my life.

[55] And meanwhile, there was a woman on a boat, and she was filming the whole ordeal.

[56] My board was, like, they call it tombstoning, where you can only see half your board, and then there's a leash, right, and you're connected to the bottom.

[57] And the board was like this, and you can only see half the board for, like, I know the next wave passed me by, and my board was still like that for over a minute.

[58] It was like a minute and ten seconds.

[59] It weighed way too long.

[60] Wow.

[61] It's hard to hold your breath for a minute, just doing nothing.

[62] thing.

[63] Yeah, it is.

[64] Holding your breath for a minute while you're struggling and also your adrenaline's kicking in, you're freaking out.

[65] And you're realizing that you got to get some air soon.

[66] Oh yeah.

[67] Yeah.

[68] And that's when, you know, I mean, that's the whole thing is, is, you know, learning about breath hold, the whole thing that speeds up your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your breath hold is, is, is, or I, I should say, shortening your breath hold is panicking.

[69] Yeah.

[70] You know, once you, if you're able to stay calm and know that you're going to be okay, you know, you don't use up your breath very, very fast.

[71] But if you start to panic, it's like, it's like flooring the gas and it just speeds up the whole thing.

[72] And so panicking is the last thing that you want to do.

[73] But when you're really terrified, that's what happens to everybody.

[74] There's a big connection between jiu -jitsu and surfing.

[75] A lot of people that I know that love jiu -jitsu also love surfing, and they do it all the time.

[76] Same.

[77] And that breath thing is something that comes into play in both situations.

[78] Because if you're in a bad position, like if someone's choking you or something like that, you can relax and stay calm and kind of barely get out of things.

[79] Whereas if you freak out and you start hyperventilating or panicking, you just have to tap.

[80] You run out of gas.

[81] You run out of air and then the choke sinks in deeper.

[82] And some people are just really good at surfing.

[83] and for some reason that, like Hicks and Gracie is a famous example.

[84] He's really good at yoga, which is also really big for controlling your breath and staying calm and regulating your heart rate.

[85] And then he's also, you know, obviously a master at jujutsu, but he loves surfing.

[86] And I think in some way those things are kind of connected that you have to maintain some sort of control over your physical body.

[87] Yeah, for sure.

[88] And, you know, I think, you know, knowing how long you can hold your breath, especially under pressure, especially with a high heart rate, is the key.

[89] You know, I did a breath holding course.

[90] It was like a, it was actually specifically tailored to surviving big waves.

[91] This course I did was four days long.

[92] And the first couple days, they just kind of taught us the science behind a breath hold, you know, and how to get your breath hold up.

[93] And then they basically worked our way up to our high.

[94] a static hold and then from there we had to hold our breath for a quarter of that time under stress hmm so when you take a breath hold course like what are they teaching uh just a science of you know behind how how some people can hold their breath for a long time and some people can't and you know the difference between the it's it's basically psychological it's all in your mind really um oh yeah it definitely is i mean if you think you can hold your breath for like if right now you try to hold your breath for and you could only make it a minute for sure you can hold your breath for three 100 % it's all in your mind like if you believe that you're going to be fine it just you know your body tells you that you need to breathe um like for that course i think the first day i tried to hold my breath um and i'm in relatively good shape and i never ever practice holding my breath at all but you know i've you know pretty good lung capacity because i was training all the time especially at that time um the longest i could hold my breath the first day was like two minutes and 15 seconds or something like that and then by day the end of day three I was holding it for five minutes and 34 seconds whoa yeah it's crazy so it's just techniques and understanding yeah it's all technique what is like the world record wasn't it wasn't that fucking magician guy didn't he break the world record you did like 17 minutes or something like that I keep it yeah but didn't he do something weird where he sucked in pure oxygen or some cheating bullshit it's night and day yeah you can't it's basically twice I think it gives you like from From what I think that's about twice as long as like a world record holder can actually hold their breath.

[95] I think he was packing oxygen.

[96] It's totally different.

[97] He's breathing up with pure oxygen for like a long time.

[98] Oh.

[99] It totally, you know, it's basically like it like doubles your breath hold.

[100] Yeah, there it goes.

[101] 17 minutes and 4 .4 seconds.

[102] It's badass.

[103] It's pretty incredible even with the oxygen.

[104] Yeah.

[105] You know, I mean, no matter how, how you slice it, that's a long ass time.

[106] to not breathe.

[107] So he held the record for oxygen -assisted static apnea, which would be, yeah, holding your breath while breathing, after breathing, pure oxygen.

[108] That would be super handy for my job.

[109] Pure oxygen?

[110] No, being able to hold your breath for 17 minutes.

[111] Fuck yeah, man, you'd be like, fuck these waves.

[112] These waves ain't got shit all right?

[113] I'm just going to swim to the bottom and kick it.

[114] Have you seen that product that they came up with?

[115] It's a bullshit fake product, but apparently people have spent like a million dollars on this thing.

[116] trying to buy it.

[117] It's a fake, like a gill machine.

[118] They came up with this thing that allows you to breathe.

[119] It's a total bullshit.

[120] It's fake.

[121] But there was like these ads saying that allows you to breathe underwater.

[122] And it looks like a scuba mouthpiece, but it's just got like, it looks like two tampons on each side.

[123] And this stupid thing doesn't work at all.

[124] It doesn't do anything.

[125] But apparently it's this giant scam.

[126] And there was an article about how people have spent like all this money on this fake thing that doesn't even exist.

[127] That's it right there.

[128] It's absolutely nuts what people will actually buy.

[129] This oxygen masks allows underwater breathing without oxygen tanks, but it's total bullshit.

[130] So I don't understand where the money went or how it...

[131] See if you can find an article of like what the fuck went wrong.

[132] Is it supposed to be like sucking oxygen out of the ocean?

[133] Yeah, like how ridiculous is that?

[134] Like people thought that they were fish.

[135] Oh yeah, that's all you need is this thing.

[136] You breathe in through those and you pull out through that, but it's, a total scam.

[137] And if you order in the next 59 seconds, we're going to throw a second one in for half the price.

[138] Yeah, I mean, it would be cool if someone could come up with something like that, but that's just not how it works.

[139] It is bizarre, though, that there are things that breathe air out of the water.

[140] They can find a way to suck air out of the water.

[141] Like, life is very bizarre, if you look at it that way.

[142] Yeah, very bizarre.

[143] And then you pull them onto the deck of the boat, and they're like, oh, yeah, and then you put us underwater.

[144] It's the opposite.

[145] We start panicking immediately.

[146] So the shark thing, did they attribute it to anything, the reason why they've been biting more people lately?

[147] Yeah, it's super debatable, though.

[148] Like a global warming type thing?

[149] Yeah, there's all types of stuff like that.

[150] There's, you know, there's a lot less fish than it used to be.

[151] And then the other thing is, you know, the thing I think is a huge component is, like, in the 60s, if someone got bit, they would do a shark call.

[152] Like people will get pissed.

[153] You know, some little girl will get bit.

[154] And then all the fishing boats would go out and kill a ton of sharks.

[155] And that's what happened in Hawaii.

[156] You know, there was, I think in the 60s, there was some shark attacks.

[157] And there was a huge shark cold.

[158] Like, people would just go out and kill as many sharks they could.

[159] And so it decimated the shark populations in Hawaii.

[160] And then they were protected in like the 70s and 80s.

[161] So now there's this mega shark population because they're protected.

[162] You know, you're not really supposed to kill sharks.

[163] So there's an overabundance of big sharks.

[164] I wouldn't have people would be the same if there was dragons would we protect dragons we're retarded we really are retarded for sure we would 100 % like you're not going to wipe out the fucking sharks folks just relax just kill them all around where people are yeah it's it's it's crazy that they figured out like you know I mean technology for every single thing but they don't have some sort of you know I was I was thinking it would be so you know like with in this day and age like we can do the craziest shit with technology like why can't they put buoys around a surf break with like some weird magnetic thing that shoots down to the bottom of the ocean at that you know where it's like 30 feet deep you know like a half mile out from the break and then everyone can swim there everyone can surf there whatever the hell it is like how come they don't have that right seems so basic it does seem like something they could figure out how to do like some sort of an electronic fence yeah exactly yeah like they have that for your dog yeah you can put that in your yard and the dog can't go past it but it'll probably we give you dick cancer you know they'll probably find out shark dick yeah all these all these surfers start getting dick cancer and everybody but what the fuck it's the fence it's the fence yeah yeah we can't yeah yeah we can't put up the magnetic fence because all the shark all the all the sharks will get dick cancer and then yeah if sharks get dick cancer then pita will get upset at you it's game over yeah become a huge issue i'm not a fan of sharks i don't like them they scare the fuck out of me and that's what's keeping me from surfing because surfing looks like it's fucking awesome I see guys like you on those big waves.

[165] I don't know about the big waves.

[166] That's beyond me, I believe.

[167] Even when I was young, I don't think I would ever.

[168] Like this kind of shit, that's not, I'm not designed for that.

[169] That's not fun looking.

[170] Nope.

[171] That's not me. We're looking at it for people who are listening.

[172] We're looking at an image.

[173] Is that you?

[174] Who is that?

[175] That's me. Oh, Jesus, dude.

[176] Tell me about this.

[177] It looks like I'm falling off a building.

[178] It looks like you're falling off several buildings stacked on top of each other.

[179] Tell you what, that actual moment right there, it actually felt like I was falling off the building.

[180] It was a, I was absolutely sure I was eating shit right there, so.

[181] And you didn't?

[182] I didn't.

[183] Yeah, it was a miracle.

[184] I actually fell from the top and landed on my board and made the wave.

[185] Oh, my God.

[186] It was a big wave at a wave off the north coast of Maui called Jaws.

[187] How high is that wave?

[188] Probably 50 feet on the face, maybe more, maybe 60.

[189] So you're falling off the top.

[190] of the wave like it breaks and you're coming over the lip or the mountain what would you call it what do you call the edge of the wave yeah yeah yeah i'm falling from the lip but the cool thing is you're doing it with your hands you know like you're doing it with your bare hands like this wave comes in and you have to read the wave you have to time it you have to position yourself so you so you have to catch it in the steepest part right before it throws over like that because if it throws over you're eating shit so you know you got it's just it's so precise you know to be able to time it on a giant wave like that especially like the bigger the wave is the faster it moves so it gets really really technical so you know if you successfully ride one of those waves it's a lot of fun i would imagine it gets super addictive when you're in that tube and you're slicing through it and you see the water oh yeah going over the top of you yeah it is it is so much fun it's like um it's it's such a blast it's um it's super addicting i you know i've been surfing since i was i've been surfing on on a surfboard standing up since i was five on my fifth I got a surfboard from my dad, and I'm still totally obsessed with it.

[191] It's weird.

[192] There's nothing else in my life like that where I'm absolutely psyched.

[193] Like when the waves are good, I'm like a little kid still.

[194] What is it about it?

[195] Dude, it's like, it's like hunting.

[196] It really is.

[197] It's like I'm out in nature.

[198] No one's bothering me. I don't need to talk to anybody.

[199] I can go do my own thing.

[200] I can go down the beach, no matter how shitty of a day I had, no matter how much stress, whatever, like if my kid's getting a bad report card or I had to pay my taxes or whatever hell it was, I can just put on my trunks, drive down to the beach, grab my board, and I'm good.

[201] As soon as I hit the water, I'm fine.

[202] And that's how I am at bow hunting.

[203] And people who don't, bow hunt, they don't understand that.

[204] They're like, why the hell do you do that?

[205] Like, what do you find, you know, like, what do you find good about that?

[206] Like, being out in the forest for days at a time?

[207] It's the same thing.

[208] Well, obviously, I've never surfed, but the bow hunting thing is so difficult and so primal.

[209] And I think it hits some weird ancient switches inside your DNA from, back when people needed a bow and arrow to survive.

[210] And when you were hunting an animal, I mean, it's also, it's so primitive.

[211] Like, there's something about rifle hunting that's not nearly as satisfying.

[212] Rifle hunting is, it's all exciting, and it's way more effective.

[213] And you certainly have more success, and there's more range to it and all that.

[214] But it's not nearly the same feeling.

[215] There's a switch that goes off that I think is like a part of being a human being from the thousands of years of us shooting bows and arrow.

[216] at things to stay alive, that that reward is like triggered somehow another deep inside whatever it is that makes you a person.

[217] Yeah, it is.

[218] I mean, it's a, you know, it all comes down to the moment of truth.

[219] You work so hard for that opportunity, whatever it is, an elk or a deer, whatever the hell it is, and you bust your ass, and you're on your hands and knees in the hot sun, or, you know, you're over there freezing your ass off in the dark, waiting for it to get to get light, and you pack all your shit from the trailhead for miles, and all this hard work and all the thousands of arrows you shoot at your target and then all of a sudden comes down to this this millisecond where the elk stops in front of you.

[220] Yeah.

[221] And you're sitting there full draw, and it's like the moment of the truth, you know.

[222] It's super technical and really difficult and a lot of people suck at it, and that's why it's so rad.

[223] Yeah, it's very technical, and that is something that I just never took into account when I saw people shooting bows and arrows.

[224] I was like, oh, you left arm straight, your right arm pulls back, you make sure you aim, you let it go.

[225] And it seems like kind of like a rifle.

[226] You know, with a rifle, what do you do?

[227] center the reticle, you know, you squeeze the trigger, make sure you don't jerk it, you're good.

[228] Yeah.

[229] There's so much more involved in the anchoring of where the string hits the corner of your mouth, where your hand rests below your jaw, making sure that your elbow's not too low, not too high, your back muscles are pulling.

[230] And remembering all that stuff in the moment.

[231] Yeah.

[232] And getting to full draw.

[233] Yeah.

[234] That is the hard part.

[235] That's the big difference.

[236] You know, I mean, that's the main difference is like once that animal's in range, you still have to get to full draw yeah and you don't have a crossbow you're not sitting there like this waiting without making any motion you actually have to go full draw and somehow do that undetected without the animal getting alert or freaked out or running away yeah it's a crazy little addiction isn't it it is very very crazy and it's also i was my wife would agree with you i'm mine would too um i was watching a video of you uh you were grilling some steaks some uh i think it was access deer at your house and you were talking about it like this like the connection that you have to your food like you went and you found that animal you know that is a wild animal that animal was just living like they've been living for hundreds of thousands of years just eating grasses and staying away from predators you snuck up on it and you place an hour writing its vitals perfectly and cut it up and brought it home and and now you're eating it and there's this insane connection to your food when you do something like that yeah well especially when you look around your family's eating it yeah like my kid i have little kids and they're sitting there with deer on their fork yeah they're eating it like dad brought this home it's awesome i think it's cool you know like i don't know i there's just something so much more satisfying about eating food that you grew or killed or whatever it was you know i mean i it's it's it's so cool when someone has an awesome garden at their house they busted their ass and they know exactly where that food came It only touched their hands.

[237] Yeah.

[238] You know, it's the same thing.

[239] And it's even more so when you're, when you spend all that time in the mountains and, and, you know, you bring it home and you care for that meat, make sure it's not dirty, make sure it's not spoiled, make sure it's taken care of perfectly.

[240] Like, you go in my, in my freezer and I'm like a total, I'm actually kind of a slob in a lot of, like, different areas in my life.

[241] Like, I don't make my bed a lot of times or whatever it is.

[242] But now when it comes to the meat, it's like perfect, total nerd alert.

[243] Like you go in and it's like everything's packaged perfectly.

[244] Everything's a perfect size.

[245] everything's like itemized like cut date animal species you know it's yeah well there's a deep respect for that animal that i don't think people who just buy their meat at a grocery store it's i don't think they could ever understand it i think you can kind of intellectualize it and you can kind of imagine what it's like but i don't think you could ever really understand it well and i can relate to that because i wasn't always a hunter you know i wasn't i wasn't i wasn't brought up a hunter i didn't i didn't come from a hunting family nobody in my family ever hunted when did you start all new to me. I started when I was 30 and I'm 43.

[246] So what was it that got you going?

[247] I moved from the beach where I lived my whole life up to the mountains and I bought a piece of property and everything I planted got dug up by wild pigs.

[248] So there's wild boars all over the property and my wife started getting pissed and and I didn't know what to do.

[249] I wanted to plant fruit trees and all the stuff and everything was getting knocked over and smashed by all the pigs.

[250] And so my buddy was like, dude, shoot him with a gun and, you know, shoot a couple and they you know they'll beat it and so he gave me this shotgun or whatever and i shot with a shotgun and immediately gave it back to him i was like i'm not a gun guy i'm not into the loud noises and i just was over it so i gave it back and i didn't know what to do i didn't know if i should need to fence my property i didn't want to do that you know because i didn't want to like mess up their like natural uh pattern either you know they were they were there long before i was and um and my next door neighbor was a bow hunter he had an extra bow so i would go over to his house and and have a couple beers and shoot arrows.

[251] And once I got grouped some arrows, he said, I was ready to go hunting.

[252] And he took me boar hunting.

[253] And the first night, all these pigs were there.

[254] And I totally blew it.

[255] I got to full draw, and my arrow fell off the rest.

[256] And ding, ding, ding.

[257] And they all ran.

[258] I made a bunch of noise.

[259] But that was it.

[260] The next day I went and bought it.

[261] I used Matthew's bow down at the, you know, you know, like down at the bow shop.

[262] And, you know, I started building tree stands by my house and, you know, trying to, like, throw bare.

[263] date down for the pigs to come.

[264] I didn't know the hell I was doing.

[265] I didn't know any bow hunters.

[266] So it was cool.

[267] So it's all like self -taught.

[268] It was, yeah.

[269] You know, I started with a good friend of mine at home at the same time.

[270] I didn't really have any super close friends that were bow hunters.

[271] But it's funny because soon after I started bow hunting, then I realized I did know a bunch of bohunters.

[272] And I immediately had a really cool circle of friends that were all experienced bohunters.

[273] And they kind of took me in and taught me, you know, what to do, what equipment to use and, you know, how to hunt.

[274] And then I had, like, mentors in hunting that, like, really taught me how to hunt.

[275] Like, how to kill animals.

[276] Well, Hawaii is an amazing place for bow hunting, and a lot of people would never imagine this.

[277] It is.

[278] It's amazing.

[279] Between Axis deer and mountain goats and all kinds of other crazy shit that you guys, and the pig populated.

[280] Pigs were brought over there, like, hundreds and hundreds of years ago, right?

[281] Yeah, is a Captain Cook thing.

[282] Was it?

[283] Yeah.

[284] Wow.

[285] So there was really no animals in Hawaii.

[286] every single thing there is introduced except for like bugs and some birds you know so um the deer the pigs the goats the sheep everything was all introduced so you go out in the mountains and there's lots and lots of different you know a lot of different animals out there and they're all introduced and they're all considered pests wow so it's a lot like new zealand in that sort of a way because new zealand has an incredible amount of wild game but it's all introduced and they they did it back hundreds of years ago again when When Europeans wanted it as a hunting destination.

[287] So they brought over stags and European animals and Axis deer and all these things and just let them loose with no predators.

[288] Yeah, that's right.

[289] So their populations just exploded.

[290] Yeah.

[291] It's the same in Hawaii.

[292] What is it like over New Zealand?

[293] Because when you look at the Lord of the Rings, that's all I know about New Zealand.

[294] I know Kim .com lives there and the Lord of the Rings and people go over there to hunt.

[295] It's very much like that.

[296] I hunted there this year and we hunted in some places that.

[297] Like, I didn't even hunt.

[298] All I did is, like, take pictures and stare at the mountains.

[299] It was mind -boggling how incredibly beautiful it was.

[300] We were hunting these mountain goats called tar.

[301] They're from the Himalayas.

[302] They're these hairy goats of this big giant sable fur thing and really small horns.

[303] And they live in these, like, these glaciers and these, like, vertical cliffs.

[304] Maybe like a thousand -foot cliff at the top of, like, a 5 ,000 -foot mountain of, like, a granite cliff, like a little step ledge in it that's like six inches wide and that's where the tar would be standing one tar just be standing there all day long yeah they're badass creatures they really are it doesn't look real try and go kill one of those things with a bow on public land and send me the picture and i'll hail you forever they they are hard to kill with a bow i tell you that much did you get one i didn't i saw one um i was at remi who's a friend of yours right yeah yeah yeah i was at remi warren and uh we spotted one and it's not like you know like where i come from like you go hunt access deer you could see a thousand deer what in a morning yes where mark my words dude where is this soon um on la nai holy shit you will see a thousand deer in a day yeah that's insane so i'm used to going out and seeing like tons of pigs and goats and deer and stuff like that i went to i went to new zealand and hunted these tar and i'm standing there with remi at the bottom of this valley and we're hunting we're camping in the backcountry and we're you know we're glassing we don't see anything so we drive like half a mile glass, you know, and we're in totally in the background, we're driving straight up a river, like deep in a river.

[305] We got like a, like, one of those like land cruisers with a snorkel in the middle of the river.

[306] It's not like these animals are under radical pressure.

[307] And, you know, all of a sudden we see one.

[308] There's a tar.

[309] And it's at the top of this mountain, 5 ,000 vertical feet, five miles straight up hill.

[310] Or one mile, right?

[311] Well, I don't know, whatever the hell it was.

[312] It's vertical.

[313] It's vertical.

[314] Yeah.

[315] I mean, it's 5 ,000.

[316] vertical feet but you're looking at it and it looks like it's right there but it's vert right it takes you four hours to walk there because it's vertical yeah and uh you know we saw it probably we saw it at like i don't know three in the afternoon and it got dark at like six so he's like dude we have three hours we need to close the gap and we need to kill that tar today for dark so we're literally like quote unquote running up the mountain as fast as you possibly could and he's in pretty good shape Remy is.

[317] He's a beast.

[318] Yeah, he's a beast.

[319] I mean, that's what he does.

[320] He lives in the mountains all the time, so he's used to that.

[321] Yeah, they did one of those V -O -2 max tests on him, and he's got like elite triathlon endurance.

[322] Yeah, he's like half human, half tar.

[323] Yeah.

[324] And so we closed the gap to about, I don't know, 900 yards, and it got dark.

[325] And then walk back down five hours in the dark.

[326] Yeah.

[327] Well, it's fucking exhausting.

[328] You don't realize, like, how hard it is to get up one of those mountains until you try it and you go oh like you think i'm in good shape i work out i go to the gym i'm on the elliptical machine this is going to be no problem i'm not one of these fat guys oh yeah no it's fucking hard it's really hard like and it'll help like being light helps too light and thin where you're not carrying around a lot of weight yeah but guys like remi and uh steve ranella and the guys that do that all the time yeah they will embarrass you yeah With how out of shape you are, just walking up hills.

[329] You're just keeping them at your rate.

[330] It's like you're slowing them down all the time.

[331] So, you know, I mean, it does pay to, you know, to train, especially, like, in the mountains like that.

[332] Like, if you're going to go on a big hunt, it really helps to train a lot.

[333] And now these animals, how the fuck, like, I've seen goats, like, on the side of cliffs where they're walking, like, along a vertical face.

[334] And they're standing on, it looks like these little two -inch outcry.

[335] And they're walking along on those like how the fuck do they do that?

[336] Like how are they designed?

[337] Like what what kind of evolutionary advantage to like walking along the side of a cliff face like that has led them to be this bizarre beast?

[338] Like most people don't think about them like what their capabilities are.

[339] They can do like really strange shit like as far as their balance and how they can make it up the side of a cliff like look at these fuckers.

[340] Yeah.

[341] Like look at that.

[342] That's exactly how the tar were, dude.

[343] We're looking at something that just doesn't even look real We're looking at these goats that are walking along the face of this cliff And the cliff is almost 90 degrees It's almost up and down And these things are somehow or another finding footholds Where their whole body, like the side of their body is slammed up against the side of the mountain And they're making it up this cliff And they're not forced to be on that cliff That's the craziest thing like when I was hunting those those goats in New Zealand those stars just below where they were there was like these rolling hills like really steep still but it was like rolling hills with grass they choose to be on the rocks because they actually eat some weird stuff that grows on those vertical cliffs so wild I was tripping balls the whole time I was like you gotta be kidding me the animal's not forced to be there he's choosing to be on that like six inch wide ledge a thousand feet on a vertical cliff look at that fucking but we're looking at this picture folks Jamie what was the Google search if someone's listening to Just like climbing goat This is this picture that we're looking at now There's probably like eight of them And they're on the side of this mountain And it just doesn't even look real And the tar, they don't look real as it is They look like some sort of a mythical creature From some ancient Greek novel It's hard it's hard to It's really hard to appreciate how hardcore That kind of hunting is unless you do it You know, I think that, like, 90, I'm going to piss people off when I say this, but like 98 % of the hunting that happens in America is like, park a truck, walk to your tree stand, get in the tree stand, play words with friends until the deer comes underneath the tree stand, get the full draw, and, you know, you got your tag filled, which is great, I'm sure it's a blast, and I like tree stands and all that stuff.

[344] But that kind of hunting is just like a, it's weird how hunting is it clumped in to like, oh, you're a hunter.

[345] And that's all people sort of need to know.

[346] You know, there's like so many different kinds of hunting and so many different ways to do it, different weapons, different approaches, different, you know, it's like crazy.

[347] Like some people are shooting animals at, you know, 1 ,500 yards of the high -powered rifles.

[348] Yeah.

[349] They want to be as far as possible.

[350] That's the goal.

[351] And for us, it's like we want to be as close as possible.

[352] That long -range stuff is very strange because there's a lot of effort.

[353] ethical questions that come up with that, because any movement whatsoever at 1 ,500 yards, I mean, you have to be like a real fucking expert marksman to pull something like that off.

[354] So there's this, there's a lot of dick wagon going on when you're killing something at like 700, 800 ,000 yards.

[355] It's weird.

[356] It's like you don't really have to do that.

[357] Like you get closer to that animal.

[358] I think that's the goal, though.

[359] The goal is to, anybody can get to 200 yards from any animal.

[360] I don't care what animal it is.

[361] You can get, if you can't get to 200 yards, you've got major problems.

[362] If you can get to 100 yards, I mean, even from like an antelope, you know, you can belly crawl your way in the middle of nowhere to 100 yards from anelope.

[363] Yeah, especially if you have one of those gilly suits.

[364] You know, Remy has this show called...

[365] You just move super slow.

[366] Yeah.

[367] Have you seen Remy's show?

[368] It's called Apex Predator?

[369] I haven't seen that one now.

[370] Really good show.

[371] And it's really interesting because Remy, you know, Remy's a really good athlete, and he's also just a really smart guy.

[372] and what he does is he tries to mimic all of the behavior of predatory animals like wolves and he'll do like him and a bunch of his friends were doing some sort of like a chase the same way that a wolf would chase down an elk and one of the things that he did was he put on a gilly suit and he crawled up to these antelope and just slowly creeped his way up to these antelope and as long as you're patient and you move slow like he got within like seven feet a fucking antelope.

[373] As long as you go slow enough.

[374] Yeah.

[375] And that's a mistake I make all the time.

[376] You know, when I blow a stock, it's almost always because I went too fast.

[377] Yeah.

[378] No matter how slow you go, you should almost always go slower.

[379] Well, one of the things that I found out recently, you know what Randy Ulmer is, famous bow hunter.

[380] It's probably one of the most successful bow hunters ever.

[381] He shoots most of his animals with no shoes on.

[382] Is he?

[383] Yeah.

[384] He takes his boots off and he's got just thick wool socks and he just walks.

[385] He just cr.

[386] Heaps, nice and slow.

[387] And that's one of the reasons why he's so successful.

[388] He realized, like, okay, you can't just be walking around with these fucking clunky boots and snapping twigs and shit like that.

[389] And so he feels everything underneath him.

[390] And it's just like, have you ever been around a bear, like when a bear is walking through the woods?

[391] No, not really.

[392] They don't make any noise.

[393] It's kind of creepy.

[394] Like, there's this big -ass fucking 300 -pound bear, and it's not making a single sound as it's walking.

[395] Because they have soft pads and they're predators.

[396] So they're just fucking creeping, you know, and that's kind of like the idea of the approach, just creep inch by inch.

[397] Yeah.

[398] Bears blow my mind, too, because, you know, I've, you know, I'm from Hawaii, so I don't even know anything.

[399] I have nothing about bears.

[400] So I think they're all like yogi bear, you know?

[401] Like, they're coming and grab, like, your jam and I hang out and camp with you.

[402] You know, they want a hug or something like that.

[403] and man I went hunting I did a do -it -yourself over -the -counter tag elk hunt with my buddy from Hawaii and we were in Colorado and we and we hiked into this area and we're all excited you know we don't we didn't know shit about elk hunting we didn't know I didn't know how they called them I didn't know what they did I didn't know how they worked I read some articles I didn't know what the hell is going on so and so we drop off our stuff we got about an hour to hunt and then we're going to come back and set up our our our little camp there like a creek so I do a big loop I come back a little bit early.

[404] I'm like, I'm going to set up my tent and stuff.

[405] And I get to one side of the creek and my friends across the creek setting up his tent and getting like our food out, like salami and like whatever else kind of food we had.

[406] And I was just about to like yell out to him like, hey, did you see anything?

[407] I was like maybe 60 yards away from him.

[408] And I looked to my left and there's a bear, a big bear, big black bear standing on his hind legs.

[409] It looked like one of those targets, you know, those big old targets you shoot one of those things.

[410] And he was just staring at my friend.

[411] He had no idea I was there.

[412] The bear didn't know I was there.

[413] And then my friend had no idea that the bear was there.

[414] He's sitting there like butt crack hanging out, like getting all the food out.

[415] And this bear just staring out from across the creek.

[416] It was radical.

[417] And I just immediately knocked an arrow and just like sat there.

[418] And then the bear saw me and then looked at my friend, looked at me, looked at my friend.

[419] And then it was this vertical mountain right behind him.

[420] We were at the bottom of this creek.

[421] And the bear thought about it and then just turned around and just high -tailed it straight up this mountain like he was on the flat ground.

[422] It was crazy.

[423] My friend never really saw him.

[424] Yeah, that story that you were telling before the podcast started, tell that fucking story.

[425] Yeah, that made me really even more scared of bears.

[426] Yeah, tell that story.

[427] Yeah, so it was a few years ago.

[428] I read this story on a bow hunting magazine, and it was a story about this guy and his son, and they were hunting elk.

[429] I'm not sure which state, but the son was in the front, and he was set up, and the dad was in the back, probably 60 yards.

[430] back and the dad was cow calling and there was a bull there and he was starting to come into the call and so the kid was standing there waiting for his shot and the dad was sitting there cow calling behind him and all of a sudden the elk runs off and they thought the wind had waffled on him or something and right behind the elk like 50 yards past the elk was a giant grizzly bear standing straight up staring at him and the kids started getting nervous the bear started high tailing it straight at the kid and the kid turned and started running at the dad and as the kid and the dad went to full draw he had a bow it was it was it was archery season he had no gun so the dad grabbed his bow got an arrow on somehow had the clarity to get to full draw as the kid passed his dad the dad made a perfect shot on the bear the bear right then catches up to the kid dives on the kid and starts mauling him and ends up dying on the kid And there was a picture in the article It was incredible There's a picture in the magazine Of the kid And he's covered Covered head to tone of blood The bear died on him With like a heart shot Blood all over him So the kid had like Bear blood Is that the photo?

[431] Oh my God It's so gnarly Oh my God What is, how do you find this Jamie If so many wants to Called Dad Zero saves son From Grizzly Attack Dude outdoor life Fuck It's a heavy article man There's no joke.

[432] And the perspective from the dad, you know, it's like, can you imagine?

[433] I mean, I have kids, and I can't even imagine, like, you know, what kind of mental state you'd be in if you saw a giant bear chasing after your kid.

[434] That dad's a bad motherfucker.

[435] Do you keep it together?

[436] Yeah.

[437] Ooh, that gives me the nerves, the jillies, whatever the fuck it is.

[438] My goosebumps are popping up.

[439] I saw a grizzly when I was in Alberta, black bear hunting a couple weeks ago.

[440] Yeah.

[441] They look at you so different, man. Black bears are creepy enough, you know, and Ronella was telling me a story about this guy who, first trip ever hunting, gets attacked in his tent by a 500 -pound predatory black bear.

[442] His friend shoots the bear, the bullet goes through the bear and hits his friend in the wrist.

[443] So this kid, first black bear hunt ever, first camping trip out, he's going in the woods, like, this is going to be great, we're going to get to hang out with nature.

[444] A bear tries to eat him, and his friend shoots him.

[445] They killed the bear They wanted to kill on the bear But black bears are scary But they're nothing like Grizzlies This grizzlies This grizzly looked at us And they look at you like demons They have a total different look In their eye Like there's nothing going on back there It's just dead kill machine They don't feel bad when they Then they eat you They're eating your guts They're just like Mmm, it's super delicious right now Yeah, you could be screaming It's great It's weird People are so strange there are detachment from wildlife that when you're actually around them even just around an elk like when you're around an elk and elk are calling and they're making those crazy sounds you're like what the fuck is this real it's crazy when they're fighting too over the girls yeah i just that blows my mind like like hunting deer or elk in the rut and seeing them fight over the girls is the best is the best and seeing like the one that that loses gets his ass kicked and he kind of like just walks off like oh gosh got my ass kicked and then the bull or the big dog who who wins, he's on.

[446] That's his whole harem.

[447] He's a whole harem full of girls.

[448] And he's just like, I'm on the badass.

[449] And he just gets his fuck on.

[450] Yeah, and he gets out to breed him all, you know?

[451] I was in California at Tahone Ranch last year, and these two huge elk were smashing horns.

[452] They were both like 360 class elk, which is like for people listening.

[453] Just enormous antlers, six points on each side, thousand pound animals just running at each other, head budding each other and stabbing each other and while we were there they found one enormous bull that had been killed by another bull been stabbed in the side and punctured his lungs and it was just laying there jacked enormous bull yeah that's the coolest it's the coolest just seeing them act like how they're supposed to be and how they've been doing it for hundreds of thousands millions of years it's just nuts just to be a part of that and see it yeah it is and it's almost like When we were talking about the goats being able to walk up the side of these cliffs, like, these animals, they've evolved to develop horns that are swords.

[454] They have like spears growing out of their fucking head.

[455] And they know it.

[456] Yeah.

[457] They're well aware of that.

[458] And they're trying to kill the other one because they're so hopped up.

[459] And they were just hanging with that guy a few weeks ago.

[460] They were hanging out, feeding out in the grass.

[461] And they'll hang out with them again if he survives.

[462] They will.

[463] They'll hang out.

[464] They make these bachelor groups.

[465] Yeah, they get pissed.

[466] Did you see that video of the lady in Yelstone that was like, hello elk, hello, hello, my friend, I'm your buddy.

[467] And this elk just fucking head butts this bitch and sends her flying.

[468] Are you serious?

[469] She went flying.

[470] Wow.

[471] Yeah.

[472] How was that Grizzly Man movie?

[473] Do you see that thing?

[474] It's awesome.

[475] I've seen it about 10 times.

[476] If you don't see that, you're tripping.

[477] That's so good.

[478] I'm trying to get Werner Herzog to, his people contacted me, the director of it, to be on the podcast.

[479] Look at this.

[480] She's like, hello, Mr. Rock.

[481] That shit's almost like a comedy.

[482] You know what I mean?

[483] Like, when I watched that Grizzly Man movie, I felt like it was a comedy.

[484] The guy's warning her.

[485] Oh, oh.

[486] Oh.

[487] He goes, did you get that on video?

[488] That shit's going to go viral, honey.

[489] Listen to her.

[490] I'm just going to tell you, you're too close to that elf, and that's why.

[491] 25 yards, ma 'am.

[492] That's been a long time.

[493] Thank you, sir.

[494] I'm totally used to these elk.

[495] I'm out here every year.

[496] It's 25 yards.

[497] It's funny.

[498] He's got like a number in his head that you have to be 25 yards from them.

[499] Yeah, and then you're totally safe.

[500] You're good.

[501] No problem.

[502] You're super safe.

[503] Please, if they decide 50 yards to make a mad dash you, he's got a boner and this chick got scared off and he decides it's you that's scared off.

[504] It just go spear you.

[505] They have no problem.

[506] Do you see the one where there's a guy was sitting on the side of the road as a photographer?

[507] He's a real recent one.

[508] and they actually had one up euthanizing the elk because this elk fucked with this dude for like the video's like 10 minutes long the elks are just like headbutton this guy and the guy sitting there trying to cover his head as a spike a real young bull and uh this this photographer's just hanging there and this bull starts headbutton him and the guys just decided to just play passive this is it yeah and this but this goes on forever man and this bull just kind of, it's not sure what to do because he's a really young bull.

[509] You're looking at that bull.

[510] A spike is like, what, a year old?

[511] It's funny how they get so smart, so quick.

[512] You know, it's like at that age when it's like a yearling bull, like a little spike, they're pretty stupid.

[513] You know, they'll come to any call and they're kind of spaced out.

[514] They don't really know what a human looks like.

[515] But man, once they turn into like six by six, they are not dumb.

[516] Yeah, they get turned on.

[517] Yeah.

[518] But like this elk, I think I could kill that elk on my hands.

[519] Yeah.

[520] Yeah.

[521] I'm pretty sure I'd like to see you try.

[522] Get a whole of those antlers.

[523] I spin around and take his back.

[524] Yeah.

[525] Rear naked choke.

[526] That's what I'm thinking.

[527] Yeah.

[528] I'm thinking I get his back and he's fucking done, man. It would be fun to try for sure.

[529] Meanwhile, he would ride.

[530] Look at the backstrapes in that guy.

[531] He would ride off with me. He would load up the barbecue.

[532] He would fill your freezer.

[533] Oh, yeah.

[534] Well, those are the most delicious ones.

[535] If you actually can kill one that that's really young like that, they're really tender.

[536] the same with deer you know everybody wants to shoot but that's the thing about elk they're so delicious that even the old ones yeah the old tough bulls they taste amazing it's the best meat you can eat it's funny because i i feel like super remorseful when i get an animal on the ground no matter what it is no matter if it's like an elk or a deer or a pig or whatever i get this weird feeling when i walk up like i don't i don't feel bad i just feel like just as like heavy connection with that animal you know like i took its life that was that was my choice you know like I could have let it walk right but at the same time like if it's like a younger deer I'll smoke it you know because those are really good eating yeah that's what I'm trying to do I'm out there trying to it's funny I don't I don't have a list of animals in my head that I need to get are you one of those guys where you're like I need to kill a mountain go I need to get a stone sheep I need to get a zebra I find that weird man there's a there's a show that I watch you've ever seen that uh Tom Miranda's uh adventure bow hunter show television dude I'm like a wookie in the mountains you don't have a TV I don't have TV wow I got like Netflix on my computer there's a lot of these guys that are they're into the super slams you know which means all the North American game animals and that just seems like a fetish to me it gets real bizarre like I think you're losing sight of what this thing is supposed to be all about yeah I'm totally fine with however anyone you know if someone's in a getting lions or whatever that that's that's their trip you know I'm not going to judge them but I'm just that's not me yeah I don't have a list of animals at all if I just hunted mule deer and elk for the rest of my life and access deer I'd be good yeah I could hunt all year long and never get bored with those three animals I feel weird about bears bears bears are the ones that weird me out the most like killing a bear and eating it just first of all it's really like one of the best animals like from a conservation standpoint it's one of the best animals to kill because they don't have any predators and so if you don't kill them.

[537] Well, the only thing that kills bears is other bears.

[538] So they, like, where we hunt in Alberta, there's a giant population.

[539] I mean, it's not uncommon to see 20, 30 bears in a day.

[540] It's really, really overflowing with bears.

[541] And public service to get, you know, like to take a few bears.

[542] Well, it decimates not just the moose population, the deer population, but the crazy thing is it's bad for the bear population for there to be this many bears, because the boars eat cubs.

[543] Like, they're a weird animal.

[544] Like, elk don't eat elk.

[545] Yeah.

[546] But bears, like, they're predatory, man. They just go for an easy meal.

[547] There was an article recently that I posted today on Twitter that they're finding that grizzlies are going towards people when they have cubs, and it's super fucking dangerous.

[548] But the mama bears are realizing that when they're around people, that the big boars won't kill their cubs as much.

[549] So here it is.

[550] Brown bears are using human shields to protect their cubs.

[551] But it's incredible.

[552] dangerous for people because when you're around a mama bear and she's got cubs she'll fuck you up man yeah yeah yeah you don't want to get near one of those there's another one that i uh retweeted yesterday some woman who was in a marathon she was running a marathon in new mexico and she ran past a mama bear with her cubs and the mama bear just decided to fuck her up yeah just beat the shit out of her cut her up ripped her apart and she just played dead and uh you know she's really jacked and it's picture of her all scarred up and you know the bear left her alone and then some other marathon runners came over and saw her huddled up in the fetal position all fucking covered in blood that's a life changer right there oh yeah how's the meat bear meat is really good it's really good yeah yeah there's a lot of misconceptions about bear meat well apparently grizzlies are nasty yeah especially if you get a coastal grizzly that's eating salmon all the time fall bears and spring bears right like the taste of them I heard the, I forget which one, but I heard one is a little bit better than the other.

[553] Fall is supposed to be the best because the fall bears are eating berries.

[554] I've only killed spring bears, but spring bears taste really good.

[555] And like I was saying, like from an ecological standpoint or from a conservation standpoint, it's probably one of the most important animals to kill other than, say, white -tailed deer because there's so, two million or so, what was the number?

[556] Like 1 .5 million car accidents in the United States alone.

[557] 200 people die in the United States every year from hitting deer with their cars.

[558] That's the thing is people are so quick to point the finger, like, I can't believe you'd kill a bear.

[559] You can't believe it, but they just can't wrap their head around the fact that they need to be, those numbers get so out of control.

[560] Yeah.

[561] And the world's never going back to how it is before we lived where the bears live.

[562] You know.

[563] Right.

[564] That argument's a weird argument.

[565] You're in their land.

[566] Yeah.

[567] Like, and I get it.

[568] That's fine.

[569] But it doesn't matter.

[570] That point's invalid because all the people live there.

[571] Yeah.

[572] And when there's millions of bears running around, it's just, it's not good for them either, you know.

[573] But even knowing that, I don't.

[574] I still feel weird when I kill a bear.

[575] It's just, they're, there's so much like a dog almost.

[576] They're like an enormous big dog.

[577] It's just, I think they're cool.

[578] You know, they're cool animals.

[579] I like looking at them.

[580] I still want to hug them.

[581] I still want to.

[582] What was that show when we were kids?

[583] Grizzly Adams?

[584] Grizzly Adams.

[585] And he had that, like, that was his best friend.

[586] I wanted to be Grizzly Adams so bad, dude.

[587] It wasn't the beard or the hat or anything.

[588] I just wanted to hang out and spoon that bear every day.

[589] It was so awesome It's funny That guy had the original hipster beard I used to have That guy would get so many chicks right now in Venice I know right He was just fucking owning it Yeah he would Look at him, he's lifting weights I didn't know it was yoked Looks like a grizzly bear in his chest Is that dude still alive?

[590] Oh man Grizzly Adams It says death It's right there it says death So I would say no Yeah grizzly He was so cool It's funny I had a Oh he just died died.

[591] My wife and I, Dan Haggerty, my wife and I got a, my wife and I got a Bernie's mountain dog years ago.

[592] Have you seen those?

[593] It's like a big Swiss dog.

[594] No. Awesome.

[595] It's related to St. Bernard.

[596] So it's very similar to St. Bernard, but they're not like a slobbering breed.

[597] They don't have slobber.

[598] So they're really awesome.

[599] They have these really cool markings, but mine was like 130 pounds.

[600] So it was like a grizzly bear.

[601] And I swear I was like living like my childhood the dream of being grizzly Adams because I would I'd come home and roll around with my big bear you know it was like he was like a big grizzly bear he was awesome I wonder if that's what did the grizzly man in like maybe saw grizzly Adams when he was a kid and either that or he had just a bad batch or something he's tripping I laughed the whole movie oh yeah it's a hilarious movie even at the end even at the end when he gets wasted by the bear I thought it was comical well how about the fucking sheriff if anybody had ever been asking him for it.

[602] It was that dude.

[603] 100%.

[604] Yeah.

[605] Yeah, I think it was suicide by bear.

[606] I really do.

[607] Yeah.

[608] Because he went back into the area when you're not supposed to be there.

[609] When the animals are in hibernation except for the really desperate ones.

[610] And he knew that they were killing cubs.

[611] Like that was like part of the video.

[612] He stumbled upon these cubs that this bear had killed.

[613] They were starving at death.

[614] The rivers had no salmon.

[615] They had all dried up.

[616] There was no salmon run and it was getting real sketchy.

[617] He stuck around.

[618] They've accepted me as one of them.

[619] Yeah.

[620] That's the best, dude.

[621] I just died laughing.

[622] Poor bastard.

[623] Oh, man. That would have been a bad way to go.

[624] When the sheriff talked about it, I thought he was retarded.

[625] It is like a comedy.

[626] It is, I think it's a comedy.

[627] And I want to talk to Werner Herzog because he's supposed to, we're apparently we're in contact with his people.

[628] We're trying to work something out because he's got something else that he's promoting.

[629] But there's no other documentaries that he does that are funny like that.

[630] Yeah.

[631] Like that one is fucking funny.

[632] I'm not sure it was meant to be funny, but, you know.

[633] I think it is.

[634] As a human being, you have to just look and be like, you've got to be kidding me with this dude.

[635] There's some wild people out there, though, for sure.

[636] Timothy Treadwell desperately wanted to be one with the bears.

[637] So good.

[638] That shit's cold, dude.

[639] It's cold.

[640] I'm protecting these bears.

[641] No one's protecting these bears.

[642] When he goes in those rants, because he would film himself going on like three or four different rants, and he would only use, like, one of them.

[643] But some of them, he would just start swearing and fuck you, park department.

[644] Where's the lost tapes?

[645] I want to get like the lost tapes.

[646] Well, they had a whole series.

[647] They took his, they took his tapes, and they made a whole series about it.

[648] And it was fucking, I mean, he had like hundreds of hours of footage.

[649] And he got amazing, amazing, unprecedented close -up footage of bears.

[650] Because no one's that fucking stupid.

[651] Yeah, you got to be nuts.

[652] Yeah.

[653] And those things were not like close to a town and used to humans.

[654] That was like in the middle of nowhere.

[655] Middle of nowhere.

[656] were straight up, like, wild grizzly bears doing wild grizzly bear shit.

[657] Yeah, and he was watching them go to war with each other.

[658] Yeah.

[659] I mean, he got footage from, like, 20, 30 yards away of these two enormous grizzly bears.

[660] He was telling him to stop it, huh?

[661] Yeah.

[662] Stop it.

[663] Stop fighting.

[664] Well, that guy was 100 % fighting the gay.

[665] Like, the gay was disturbing him so much.

[666] He decided to go camping with monsters.

[667] He's like, I can't accept the fact that I'm gay.

[668] And so he would like...

[669] He fixed that problem, didn't he?

[670] Yeah, he did.

[671] Well, you had to grow with them at the time, too.

[672] Apparently, there's audio, and I don't know if they destroyed it, but that was part of the documentary.

[673] It lasted seven minutes, because bears don't fucking kill you.

[674] They just start eating you.

[675] They can hold you down.

[676] They're not trying to kill you.

[677] They just want to eat you.

[678] That's a weird thing about omnivores, as opposed to predators.

[679] Like, predators just kind of kill you, but omnivores, for the most part, you just hold you down, like chimps.

[680] Chimps just hold things down and eat them.

[681] The whole, like, thing where, like, where we want to, like, dispatch an animal as quick as possible to stop the suffering, they don't have that part in them.

[682] They're just like, you want to scream?

[683] Go ahead.

[684] Yeah, if you're going to get jacked by something, a cat is the way to get jacked because cats know how to kill you.

[685] Yeah.

[686] They're really good at it.

[687] Mountain lions would be scary, man. Quick, though.

[688] Yeah.

[689] Scary, but once they get your neck.

[690] Yeah, you're toast.

[691] It's pretty much it.

[692] Yeah.

[693] But guys fight them off.

[694] People fought off mountain lines because I think animals, they're.

[695] have this this like tipping point where they go okay could I get fucking injured here if I can get injured here I'm gonna back off and go kill something stupid I'm gonna go fuck someone's dog up or something you know because there's there's like a tipping point where the animal realizes like this guy is fighting for his life fuck this is too much work I'm out of here yeah you know and that brings me back to the shark thing like the that that would be like just a horrific way to go because those those things are enormous and when they want to kill you they'll kill you you just cut right through you well this is a strange animal it's like nature's cleanup crew nature's just decided like there's just too much shit in this ocean and so we're going to just develop this insane thing that doesn't even it doesn't even get to sleep do you see the footage of the surf contest that happened last year in africa where the guys you know they gets attacked by the shark that's a good buddy of mine and and uh they I mean that was like a 18 to 20 foot long great white shark yeah pull that up Jamie and when I saw I was on a plane when that happened and I was landing in Honolulu and I turned my phone on and had like all these crazy messages and from all my friends you know because it's just you know it's a really small world in the surf world and that was like that was no accident that the that this giant great white shark was within a couple feet of him you know look at that like everyone's like oh it wasn't trying to attack him it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't it didn't mean anything that's great white shark is that close to a human being it was having a real good look you know yeah oh fuck yeah it may not have been wanting to attack him or whatever, but it didn't just get accidentally stuck in his leash, you know what I mean?

[696] When you do that...

[697] That right there is as scare as a human being could possibly be without getting killed right then.

[698] Yeah, and he's looking at it.

[699] It's behind him.

[700] And he's swimming.

[701] That's it right there, right?

[702] That's it?

[703] In front of him?

[704] That large body?

[705] It was right there, dude.

[706] Oh, my God.

[707] Yeah.

[708] He's hardest nails.

[709] And the other guy, Julian Wilson, that was Mick Fanning in the blue.

[710] And look at him.

[711] He just...

[712] That feeling when he got up on...

[713] on that raft and when that was going down it was it was a full on ordeal of like you know it didn't happen like real quick and he just jumped on it was like a lot of seconds right there happening his board got taken away from him and he had to swim and splashy splashing water you know panicking and then the other guy Julian Wilson in his heat was 100 feet away and was paddling full speed towards him to try and help instead of like that's like that's like when you show your true colors you know it's yeah that's when you know that shit's going down is when you see a friend of yours getting what he thought was attacked by a great way you probably it's probably just a switch that goes off in your head you probably don't even it's probably just pure lizard thinking you know it's like the survival feeling like when that thing hit his board and you're in full on panic mode you realize like you have got to get to fuck away from this thing there's no other options well i watched it and you see him he doesn't like go hey what was that he reacts super He's ready to, like, fight.

[714] If that thing was there, I'm 100 % sure he would have started swinging right away if it was right there, you know.

[715] I have a friend, actually.

[716] I have a friend where I live.

[717] He's actually, he lives on the same island as me. He's from where I live.

[718] A tiger shark came up, grabs him, takes him underwater.

[719] By the side, grabs him with a full mouth bite on his ribs and his hip, and takes him underwater, like six feet underwater.

[720] And he had a straight up punch up with the thing underwater.

[721] Oh my God.

[722] He was beating the shit out of the shark.

[723] He's a big dude.

[724] It's hard to get like...

[725] At the time he was like 16 years old.

[726] He was Ulu.

[727] And he's a local Hawaiian kid from where I live.

[728] And it took him underwater and he straight up fought the shark.

[729] Wow.

[730] And I ended up letting him go.

[731] He had like, I think he had like 200 stitches or 300 stitches or something.

[732] And his whole side was just cut open.

[733] It's amazing that he's okay.

[734] Amazing he's okay.

[735] I can't imagine what that, you know, just looking there and a thing, like looking at the eyeball, it would have been right there like staring at him, you know?

[736] And he said he was just hitting the thing as hard as he possibly could.

[737] Luckily, he's a big dude.

[738] It's crazy that they're attributing it.

[739] It makes sense, though, to overfishing.

[740] That they just don't have enough to eat anymore.

[741] It makes sense.

[742] Totally makes sense.

[743] And the thing is, no matter how many attacks there are, like there's been a shitload of attacks in Australia a lot in certain pockets, like certain areas.

[744] And there's one area in Eastern Australia, like on the East Coast that has had a ton of attacks in the last five years.

[745] And another place on the West Coast.

[746] And there's all these groups that are just like, Nope, you can't do anything to the sharks.

[747] You cannot do anything to the sharks, you know?

[748] Who are these groups?

[749] And what is their agenda?

[750] Environmentalist groups that just like, no matter what, you can't hurt nature type of thing, you know?

[751] Is there a shortage of sharks?

[752] Well, I have, man, it's hard.

[753] But the bottom line is if there were less sharks, they'd be less attacks, right?

[754] Yeah.

[755] It's difficult.

[756] There's not a real solution where you can, where you're going to make everybody happy, you know?

[757] No. Well, you're never going to make everybody happy when you have environmentalists or animal rights advocates.

[758] There's a lot of like really fucking crazy environmental and anti -hunting animal rights activists that they're not using logic or conservation.

[759] They just love animals and they want them protected at all across.

[760] What's interesting is they don't have any problem with animals fucking up animals.

[761] No. Like they don't like people eating animals, but they don't have any problem with animals, just ripping animals apart.

[762] it's weird it is weird it's weird because it's like they accept nature they love nature but they don't like the nature of a human being a predator like they want to move away from that yeah people are are a trip these days man i i uh it's funny because the whole social media thing for me is is is relatively new it's you know obviously we didn't grow up with that and it baffles me because you know i can i can spear a fish and i've posted like a photo of me nobody gives like with my spear and my fit There's like a bloody fish in my hand.

[763] Good job.

[764] Great going.

[765] Awesome.

[766] Great fish.

[767] No one says a word about anything that I killed a fish.

[768] You kill a deer?

[769] Oh, man. People just freak out.

[770] See what happens to kill a bear.

[771] A bear.

[772] I can only imagine.

[773] The more people have hated me for that than anything I've done besides Fear Factor.

[774] Yeah.

[775] Besides Fear Factor.

[776] They get so mad.

[777] I'm like, I'm eating it.

[778] This is what I eat.

[779] I don't buy meat.

[780] People have such a problem with that, man. I get these dumbest, dumbest comments.

[781] Like, literally, like, there's plenty of meat in the store.

[782] Why would you have to go and do that?

[783] You're a terrible person.

[784] Like, I'm not a terrible person because I go to the store and eat it.

[785] You're a terrible person because you go and get your food yourself and kill it.

[786] Because you did the killing with your own hands, you're bad.

[787] Yeah.

[788] I go and buy it.

[789] You don't have to be a killer.

[790] You don't have to be a killer.

[791] It's pretty wild.

[792] That whole, it just blows my mind because, you know, I didn't grow up in a city.

[793] Like, I get all these people from, like, reodation.

[794] there or Sao Paulo or someplace in like South America or a big city.

[795] I don't have to point.

[796] I'm not pointing the finger at South Americans or anything like that.

[797] It's like, but it's always people who are in cities because they have this major disconnection from their food, right?

[798] And where I live, I mean, I live in Hawaii.

[799] Everybody I know is a fisherman or a hunter and they, you know, people have gardens.

[800] It's like, there's a way of life where they, where we live, there's tons of fish everywhere.

[801] If you throw your net, you're going to get dinner.

[802] That's what people do.

[803] Yeah.

[804] They, you know, they eat the food that they get around them.

[805] And not always, but that's just a, it's very, very typical to be a hunter or a fisherman.

[806] And, you know, like, where I live, that's viewed as the same exact thing.

[807] A fisherman and a hunter is the same.

[808] I don't see the difference.

[809] And so that's why it's shocking to me with the whole how people are totally fine, you clubbing a bunch of fish.

[810] But the second you kill a deer, they just lose it.

[811] Yeah, well, it's exactly what you said.

[812] It's just the disconnect of not really.

[813] understanding where their food comes from not being in any way connected to the idea of the natural cycle of life and then there's also a hierarchy of animals that you're allowed to kill and not allowed to kill like even turkeys nobody gives a fuck when you hold up a dead turkey they don't give a shit no but if you hold up a dead bear and a dead and a dead boar oh yeah that's other thing too yeah pigs they don't have a problem with pigs they don't give a shit about pigs it's weird get rid of them especially boars yeah like most people eat bacon every day right So it's like, yep, get rid of those boars.

[814] That's a disgusting, filthy animal.

[815] Kill it.

[816] Yep, I'm going to have my bacon, too.

[817] Yeah.

[818] Why did you shoot that deer, though?

[819] Yeah.

[820] You didn't have to do that.

[821] Well, the bears are the big ones.

[822] Because I think in a lot of ways, people associate bears with trophy hunting.

[823] And trophy hunting is something that, I mean, I get it.

[824] I understand that there's a lot of money involved in it for the communities where they shoot these animals and that it benefits them.

[825] and then also they have population issues with a lot of these animals.

[826] Like we were talking about it yesterday, the thing that happened in Zimbabwe was Cecil the lion.

[827] Yeah.

[828] How they have to shoot 200 lions now.

[829] They have to kill them because they're just decimating the undulate population.

[830] Yeah, nobody knows about that.

[831] All those people that were pissed about Cecil have no idea they got to kill all the lions now.

[832] They have no idea how it works over there and the only reason those lions are alive is because of hunters.

[833] And they're losing a million dollars in revenue.

[834] Yeah.

[835] Because they cost them $50 ,000 to shoot a lion.

[836] So all that money would go to conservation, hiring all the conservation agents and stopping poaching.

[837] I mean, it's a shitty system, really.

[838] I mean, it's a shitty system.

[839] It's because they're dangerous.

[840] They can't do it.

[841] Like, in America, it's great.

[842] It's like, you know, when I buy my tag for Colorado, I buy it for $600, like, $5 .50 goes straight to conservation.

[843] Yeah.

[844] And that's awesome.

[845] And that's why there's so many animals, you know, and that's a really healthy system of how to, how to like, increase populations, how to how to take care of habitat.

[846] How to hire more park rangers, how to buy more land, and, you know, make bigger reservations and bigger conservation areas.

[847] I don't think people know that, though.

[848] They don't.

[849] Most people have no idea that most of the money that goes towards wildlife habitat, like maintaining habitat, all comes from hunters.

[850] Like 90%.

[851] And then on top of that, there's a tax on sporting goods that goes to that.

[852] And, you know, people always say, well, hunting isn't conservation, but you know what?

[853] And here's the thing.

[854] Hunters and hunting products, whether it's bow hunting stuff or rifle stuff, they did not fight that tax.

[855] But you know who did fight that tax?

[856] All those other companies that make hiking stuff and REI and those companies, they didn't want a tax.

[857] So they've tried to impose another tax and these people have fought it off.

[858] And the reason they fought it off is because they don't have to pay it.

[859] It's going to fuck with their overhead.

[860] It's going to fuck with the amount of money that they have to charge for things.

[861] And so this idea, that these hunters aren't real conservationists, they're using it as an excuse.

[862] The bottom line is that's where all the money's coming from.

[863] All of it for habitat protection, wetland habitat protection, all that comes from hunters.

[864] And it's a lot of money.

[865] It's like if they stopped hunting, if they made hunting illegal, and they cut off that supply of revenue, there's a lot of animals that would be fucked.

[866] Yeah, they would be.

[867] People don't like it because it's one of those weird, kind of gray area things, or it just doesn't make you feel comfortable thinking that the money that has come, first of all, the only reason why there's elk and all the habitats that they're at right now is because hunters introduced them to those areas.

[868] They were decimated by the turn of the 19th century or the 20th century.

[869] So in the early 1900s, there was very few elk left in this country.

[870] So the Rocky Mountain Elk Federation spent considerable amounts of money, resource man hours, moving animals into these areas, like Kentucky.

[871] Like Kentucky has like a huge elk population now There was nothing there just 30, 40 years ago Nothing zero So they've figured out a way to not just Maintain populations so hunters can kill them But they've also reintroduced them to areas Where they didn't exist before Well increase populations by a hundred times In a lot of states Yeah, you know I mean the elk numbers have never been as high as they You know have been in the last 20 years Yeah no they're it's amazing what they've done And it's all because of hunting hunters.

[872] And that's, that's, I understand it for people that are animal rights lovers, but I just wish they had a more balanced perspective and they understood what all the pieces that are in place are.

[873] It's, it's an uncomfortable thing for a lot of people to think that the people who want to hunt and kill and eat these animals are the ones that love them the most.

[874] Yeah.

[875] This is crazy thinking, right?

[876] Well, all the people are super butt hurt about the hunting thing aren't doing anything about it.

[877] Yeah.

[878] Well, they're just, they're just, yeah, they're just being angry and lashing out you know with their phone but they're not doing anything to save the animals those those those those people aren't on the front lines in africa trying to save the lions or the elephants or trying to try to go against poachers and and do something about it all those people are just are just chit chatting you know well there's not enough money i mean if they really wanted to do the kind of work that the hunters are doing they'd have to have some stream of revenue and the stream of revenue that is coming from hunting is all coming from tags it's all coming from the of hunting gear and products and there's just no way they can match that there's no way there's millions of hunters millions of hunters that are contributing literally a billion dollars it's probably more than a billion dollars a year that goes to conservation yeah especially so and it's it's a weird it's one of those weird things it just doesn't it seems like it should be cut and dry well and i think people have like a misconception of about hunting in general like in in most states like like say Colorado, the areas that I've hunted there are like going to do it yourself over the counter tag cost me like 550 bucks, 600 bucks, and I go there with my buddy.

[879] It's in an area that has, you know, a 7 % success rate for archery or maybe less, six or seven percent.

[880] So out of a hundred hunters, maybe six or seven people get an elk.

[881] So all these people are really just paying for the experience of elk hunting.

[882] They're not even, it's not like they're going in there buying an animal or nothing like that.

[883] It's like I'm going to, I'm going to Colorado.

[884] This is my trip for the year.

[885] I choose to go out and just hunt elk for two weeks or three weeks or one week or however long you have time.

[886] And that's what the hunting experience is all about for me. I mean, I love the meat.

[887] That's awesome.

[888] I love the successful hunt.

[889] That's great.

[890] For sure, I love eating it.

[891] But the bottom line is, if I had to go elk hunting and don't get an elk, it's not an unsuccessful hunt.

[892] I'm so stoked.

[893] This is like the best experience ever.

[894] Yeah, it's a very enjoyable, deeply rewarding experience just to be out there trying and attempting it and when you are successful it makes it that much more rewarding because you know how difficult it is especially when you're doing it with a bow and arrow yeah i mean it is you have to get within i mean if you're really fucking good you could shoot something within 90 yards but for the most part you're trying to get somewhere within 30 40 yards yeah that's right what's my jam what is this oh i got sportsmen contribute near the eight million dollars every day that's crazy adding to more than 2 .9 billion dollars every year for conservation hunters and target shooters have paid $7 .1 billion in excise taxes since the inception of the Pittman -Robertson Act in 1937.

[895] That's incredible.

[896] Everybody in America knows about Cecil's why I'm.

[897] Everybody knows about Cecil.

[898] Nobody knows that.

[899] Nobody.

[900] Only hunters know that.

[901] You know?

[902] Yeah, I'm confused here.

[903] How's that work?

[904] It says, I get the $8 million every day contributing more than $2 .9 billion every year for conservation, but this is what I don't understand.

[905] It says hunters and target shooters have paid six seven point one billion in excise taxes specifically that just specifically excise taxes yeah okay so she a lot of money yeah so it's tags um and and then equipment and taxes so i guess the taxes is where's this is the billion the seven point one billion the rest of it is tags which is two point nine billion dollars a year it's amazing but but again it's the people that live in the cities that are disconnected and i was one of them i mean if you talk to me if you got a hold of me you know 20 years ago when I never even considered hunting and you asked me about like hunting I'll be like assholes shooting an animal animals are awesome bunch of pussies yeah with their big guns meanwhile I go buy dog food and cat food I love animals I'm buying ground up fucking chickens yeah yeah I mean that's the funniest one is like vegans with cats more than 1 .4 -2 billion dollars through state hunting and fishing license wow that's incredible 1 .4 billion dollars in conservation comes from hunting and fishing license sales.

[906] $608 million from other revenues, $749 million through excise taxes, paid solely by sportsmen.

[907] That's amazing.

[908] I mean, that's where the money comes.

[909] And if there's not, that money's not going to be replaced by people who love animals.

[910] And that's also, there's a lot of people that think of hunters like the characters in a movie, like an Elmer Fudd, like some asshole who hates animals.

[911] But when you listen to like really good hunting podcasts, like there's this guy, Jay Scott, He's got a really good hunting podcast, and Cody Rich has a rich outdoors, and Steve Rinella has a meat eater podcast, which is Mike my favorite.

[912] You're listening to really intelligent, really smart, well -educated people that understand a lot about conservation, the environment, the animals they're pursuing.

[913] And when they're talking about tactics and strategies and details and all the different areas that you're hunting, all the different places where you're putting in for tags, you realize, like, this is a common.

[914] complex system that they're trying to navigate in order to be successful it's fucking very very difficult and it's primal as fuck the whole thing is like it's a wild experience on and very like literally wild and many different levels yeah and just uh yeah i just i don't know i can't get enough of it i i i i swear like i i i feel like i i measure my success not so much now because my kids are I'm a family guy, and that's basically all I care about is my kids these days.

[915] But I swear, like, I, it's like I measure my success by how many days a year I spend in camouflage.

[916] Like, that's how I know I had a super good year, as if I went hunting a lot.

[917] I swear, it's like, and like, if I'm, if I don't hunt for a while, like, my wife will call my friend and be like, dude, you got to take Shane hunting.

[918] He's being a dick.

[919] He's being a total asshole, and you need to take him honey.

[920] So it's like, you need to get your friend.

[921] fix?

[922] I know.

[923] I just get grouchy and grumpy and I don't even really feel it coming on and my wife's like you need to go hunting.

[924] But what is it you think that's causing that?

[925] It's like the I don't know.

[926] Is it something's causing it when you miss hunting?

[927] Not hunting.

[928] Yeah, so hunting is alleviating that in some sort of a way.

[929] Yes.

[930] And surfing, I do.

[931] I've you know, I need to surf a lot and I need to hunt a lot.

[932] It's just who I am now.

[933] It's just like I'm a hunter, just like I'm a surfer.

[934] It's like, it's not what I do.

[935] I feel that's who I am.

[936] So it's just being a part of the natural world.

[937] Like, the surfing thing is you're, even though you're on a board that's made out of composite materials and you know, you got wax on and all this jazz and it's all created by a factory.

[938] Oh, yeah.

[939] But there's something about your, you're introducing your life or your being into the natural world of the ocean.

[940] Yeah.

[941] And you feel something.

[942] Like, they say that the ocean has some sort of an electromagnetic, like, feel to it.

[943] Like, there's something about the ocean.

[944] because it's essentially alive, you know, it has living things in it, but there's oxygen, the water, and that's how these plants grow, and when there's dead spots, that's why these fish die.

[945] Like, it's almost like an, it's not just like an ecosystem.

[946] It's almost like a giant living thing.

[947] Yeah.

[948] And you're swimming around in that thing, sort of absorbing its life for us.

[949] And I feel like it just keeps you young.

[950] I think it's, like, I swear, like surfing a lot, being in the sun, being in the ocean, a lot.

[951] and not like sitting there frying yourself or anything like that, but just like spending a life in the ocean and in the sun is just good for you.

[952] I know people who are in their 50s and 60s and they're just healthy.

[953] They look young.

[954] They don't have like tons of physical problems.

[955] And I don't know.

[956] It's just, I think it's good for you.

[957] I think spending time in the outdoors, whether you're in the mountains with your bow or whether you're in the ocean, doing whatever you're doing, is just good.

[958] Well, it's certainly good to be active.

[959] Yeah.

[960] It's also absorbing vitamin D3 or creating vitamin D3.

[961] through the sun that's a that's a rare thing and then coming home with organic grass fed wild meat is even better you know yeah no all those things are i mean you you're living a very natural life in a lot of ways in that way you know and again it's there's also the satisfaction element just like the people who grow a garden can kind of and i have a garden i get it is there's a there's a connection like if i grow uh some tomatoes and some kale and i put together a salad then i'm eating that salad.

[962] I'm like, I know what, not only I know where this came from, I was there.

[963] I put the seeds in, I watered it, I was your hands, I fertilized, yeah.

[964] It's, um, there's something deeply satisfying about making your own food that you grow or that you go and get as opposed to going to a supermarket.

[965] Well, and it takes a lot more effort too.

[966] Yeah.

[967] So you just have like, uh, you know, like that, that elk steak that you eat.

[968] Like if you, if you, if you did a side, like a side by side comparison with someone who didn't hunt, you know, they may not feel the same way but because you packed it out you put all the time in on the target you did all the hunting you you you like looked forward to it for six months that hunt and it just that's a best tasting steak you're ever going to have because you have the pride of knowing that you did it all yourself yeah it's certainly a very very different feeling now living in hawaii and uh being a white guy what is that like because people say weird things about i've never found hawaiians to be racist or rude or weird but I've heard crazy shit and I've always wondered like if that crazy shit is from like rude Americans that come over there and like are disrespectful or act like they own the place or well there's a little bit of both yeah there's a little bit of both there's there's a you know I mean I grew up I mean I was born and raised in Hawaii so I saw a lot of this you know like in high school and you know like elementary school like if you're a white like everybody wanted to be a Hawaiian when they're young right like everybody in my school like if you're a white you kind of wish you weren't really that's kind of the deal yeah when you're really young especially back in the day like it's like 70s and 80s right so like uh when i was a kid there was a thing called kill howley day i'm not making it up oh my god so you know what a holly is right white people yeah so there was a thing it was called kill howley day and it was always at the end of the year and it was like i don't even know if they actually practiced it when i was a kid but it was still it was a thing and it was a thing where like hawians would be like you know this is it like we're almost out of school let's beat up some hollies or whatever the deal was and that's i mean it didn't really happen when i was when i was a kid but there was a thing called kill holly day and people would talk about it and but times have definitely changed and and the and the other thing is like there's a huge difference between a white dude who was born in hawaii and a white guy who moved to hawai so if you're from hawaii like born and raised in Hawaii is totally different than if you're a dude from Orange County that moved to Hawaii when you're 18 and then like next to you know you're trying to talk like the Hawaiians and stuff.

[969] That's when people freak.

[970] That's when people lose it when a dude rolls up and like with the Hawaiian stickers on their truck and jumps out and is trying to act like a local dude.

[971] That's when guys get angry.

[972] That's not cool.

[973] So it's like a cultural appropriation thing.

[974] Yeah, they just it's just like I don't know how to explain it.

[975] but it gets a little complicated.

[976] But if you show people respect, you know, if you're chill, if you paddle out in the water at a localized break and you're mellow, you don't have a bunch of ding -dongs with you.

[977] If you paddle out by yourself and you show respect and you're mellow, then everyone gives you respect.

[978] That's what I've always found.

[979] So the issue is disrespectful people in a lot of way?

[980] Yeah, it's just different.

[981] It's like its own country.

[982] I've never been in Texas, but I hear it's like its own kind of place.

[983] Texas is definitely its own country.

[984] If you get off the plane at my house and you get like a convertible Mustang rent a car and someone's going 45 and a 55 in a lifted truck, you don't pass them.

[985] You know what I mean?

[986] If you pass them, they'll chase you down and they will.

[987] Really?

[988] Oh, yeah.

[989] That's just disrespectful.

[990] It's like you're in Hawaii now.

[991] Slow down.

[992] You know?

[993] Don't go 65 and a 55 and a convertible Mustang.

[994] It's like they're just, it's just a strange place.

[995] It's like it's, I don't know.

[996] It's just, it's its own kind of place, man. Well, it's, it's occupied.

[997] I mean, it's sort of an occupied country.

[998] Completely.

[999] Yeah, it's like they don't, they're part of the United States, you know, in quotes, in air quotes, but not really.

[1000] That's a country.

[1001] Hawaiian people sailed there on sailing canoes from French Polynesia with stars for navigation.

[1002] Yeah.

[1003] They got there on their own.

[1004] How far is that?

[1005] Everything with them, it's, I don't know, it'd be 3 ,000 miles or something like that.

[1006] What in the fuck?

[1007] Yeah.

[1008] They did that in a canoe.

[1009] Yes.

[1010] I don't even like driving to Vegas.

[1011] And like, hey guys, like, we're out of here.

[1012] We're actually, we're not just going on a cruise.

[1013] We're moving.

[1014] We're going to become Hawaiians.

[1015] We're going to bring our babies.

[1016] Yep.

[1017] Like you have kids.

[1018] Imagine bringing your kid in a fucking canoe.

[1019] So those people move to Hawaii.

[1020] They live there.

[1021] They had their awesome system of the people in the mountains.

[1022] They trade with the people with the beach for food and sustenance.

[1023] And that's how they live.

[1024] You know, there's the mountain people.

[1025] There's the ocean people.

[1026] And nobody owned any land.

[1027] There was no concept of owning land.

[1028] People just shared and got along and they had their system that worked.

[1029] You know, it was a gnarly time, too.

[1030] There was a lot of gnarly stuff that was going on.

[1031] It was like a radical time to live.

[1032] If you did something bad, you're executed and all kinds of crazy shit like back in the day.

[1033] But, you know, when the white dude showed up, when Captain Cook showed up and the missionary showed up in their boats and they were trading a musket for like 100 ,000 acre ranch, you know, It was like, she got crazy in Hawaii.

[1034] And you can feel that nowadays.

[1035] I mean, there's a lot of Hawaiians are getting pushed out.

[1036] You know, all these people live in different places on the mainland and make a bunch of money.

[1037] And then they retire in Hawaii because who wouldn't, right?

[1038] Everybody wants to live in Hawaii.

[1039] But they bring their money to Hawaii, it drives their value up.

[1040] And then the Hawaiians can't live there anymore.

[1041] They get pushed out to these areas that are less desirable, that are, you know, and they can't make money in Hawaii.

[1042] So there's a lot of resentment.

[1043] You know, there's a lot of, there's a crazy dynamic in Hawaii.

[1044] and you feel that and it'll, you know, that'll never get taken away.

[1045] Yeah, how does that work?

[1046] Because last time I was there, I was looking at these properties that were on the beach.

[1047] I was like, look at the size of this fucking place.

[1048] Yeah.

[1049] This enormous house that someone built on this beach.

[1050] And someone was telling me, yeah, that's some CEO's jammy.

[1051] It's his house.

[1052] He's got a fucking helicopter pad and shit.

[1053] I was like, okay, how does that work?

[1054] So this guy, like, flies in and stays there sometimes.

[1055] And how the people around feel about that?

[1056] Yeah, they're there for a week a year.

[1057] Yeah.

[1058] And they spend five years building their house.

[1059] with like Italian granite that's flown in from Italy and and you know you know and it's like and it's like guess who's swinging the hammers right yeah Hawaiians yeah yeah and they have to drive there from like their little zone or wherever you know wherever wherever they're living they definitely don't live in like a private community by the beach yeah the golf course well and so how do people feel about those people that do that they did they get upset at them or they angry at them Really?

[1060] I think they understand.

[1061] I just think they, they, uh, it's just a difficult situation, you know?

[1062] It's like, it's like a, it's like a lot of places in America, really.

[1063] Yeah.

[1064] Think about it.

[1065] It's not, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's not that unusual, the situation in Hawaii.

[1066] It just seems odd because it's, there's so many of these, like, multi -million dollar vacation estates.

[1067] Yeah.

[1068] That are by the beach.

[1069] And you, like, that's like some crazy, fuck you CEO type money that you have to have to have one of these things.

[1070] Yeah.

[1071] Like, how weird is it?

[1072] These people, they come to this place and they occupy.

[1073] And they occupy.

[1074] And they occupied.

[1075] And they occupied.

[1076] And they.

[1077] Like, probably this spot but there's a bunch of people that have been here and their ancestors have been here for thousand plus years and this is kind of their area but you can buy a spot there and they work five days a week their whole life and they can't buy a house you know right and then the whole you know the whole the whole the whole runway where I live is filled with private jets just sitting there waiting really oh yeah people spend 50 million on their house like there's a there's every single one of those guys in the fortune 500 all the CEOs all the guys from every big giant tech company they all have houses where I live.

[1078] They show up one week a year in their jet.

[1079] That's so strange.

[1080] Yeah, it's pretty wild.

[1081] Does anybody break in when they're not there?

[1082] No, they got top -not security.

[1083] You think they wouldn't, dude?

[1084] These are like tech guys.

[1085] Roseanne Barr is a friend of mine.

[1086] She lives there.

[1087] Yeah, it's a cool place to live.

[1088] I mean, it's people understand why those people want to live there.

[1089] The weather's great.

[1090] It's a beautiful place.

[1091] No one's blaming them for living there.

[1092] That's not the problem.

[1093] So the problem is them being disrespectful to the people that do live there.

[1094] Yeah, if you're going to be there, relax it's Hawaii don't be in a big rush don't overtake me don't drive like you live in LA don't drive like an asshole this is not LA yeah it's not you know so just when you get to Hawaii just relax a little bit well I got that text you this morning the text that you sent me fuck LA traffic that's all it said it's just you realize like this place is the exact opposite of the big island I mean this place is some strange sort of magnet for a weirdo and everybody's just getting sucked into this giant population center and you try to get anywhere, even in the middle of the day.

[1095] I mean, you were here at noon, so you're driving around at 11 a .m. You'd feel 11 a .m., everybody's at work.

[1096] No big deal.

[1097] Yeah.

[1098] Jammed, bumper to bumper.

[1099] You should go out at four just so you want to kill yourself.

[1100] Just go get on the 405 at four in the afternoon.

[1101] You'd be like, what in the fuck is this?

[1102] What is this?

[1103] If you get on the 405 between like 11 at night and 4 in the morning, you beat rush hour traffic.

[1104] Yeah.

[1105] If you don't.

[1106] Maybe.

[1107] If you're, if you, if you, if it's light outside, it's rush hour.

[1108] Yeah.

[1109] Straight up.

[1110] Because I, I drove just now from San Diego to L .A. I stopped in Orange County, get an MRI, but I, it was rush hour traffic the whole way up.

[1111] There was just stop and go.

[1112] And it was like there was, there was no accident.

[1113] There was no road construction.

[1114] There's nothing.

[1115] It's crazy.

[1116] Well, sometimes you'll be in a bumper to bumper stuff.

[1117] that's a mile long at 2 in the morning.

[1118] Yeah.

[1119] You're like, what the fuck?

[1120] What the fuck is this?

[1121] I don't know.

[1122] That shit drives me crazy.

[1123] And then the parking and the street sweeping.

[1124] And then they have these like, like the technology like in places like Manhattan Beach and Hermosa Beach.

[1125] They have like these like the parking meter dudes.

[1126] They have a thing now where if the parking meter, if your money runs out, they get like a bing.

[1127] Like they know where you are.

[1128] your parking meter ran out and they can drive over there and oh so they just go right to it's not hyper efficient technology to give you tickets because imagine like the revenue right it's like yeah but that's kind of what i was getting that just drives me nuts that's kind of what i was getting at when i was asking about hawaii is like there's different kinds of weirdness there's a different kind of weirdness to live in there and then there's a weirdness to living here which is the overpopulation weirdness and the the showbiz weirdness yeah like what do you prefer oh man you know I don't know.

[1129] I was born and raised in Hawaii as, you know, I like the pace.

[1130] I like the, I like that no one gives a shit which school my kids go to or what I drive.

[1131] No one judges me if I drive a shitty car or they, right.

[1132] Probably like you better.

[1133] The opposite, yeah.

[1134] Yeah.

[1135] And, and I just, I don't know, I dig that.

[1136] It's, it's people, people, people judge me on who I am as a person and what I do and how I, how I, I don't know, I feel just like it's a little bit more, it's, it's, just a little bit more real, I guess, and just, you know, more down to earth where I live.

[1137] But I also don't live in, like, the, you know, I live in kind of a small town.

[1138] So it's like coffee farms and ranches, and it's pretty chill where I live, yeah.

[1139] Yeah, that's the weirdest thing about the big island.

[1140] I'm a big fan of the big island.

[1141] I love visiting there.

[1142] But one of the craziest things about it is there's so many different ecosystems in one island.

[1143] Yeah.

[1144] You drive through this one area, it's like completely dry, it looks like a desert.

[1145] Then you go into another area.

[1146] It's constantly raining.

[1147] tropical rainforest like helo like up in that area yeah it's wild i don't know i should look it up but uh i the big island of hawaii there's like all these like uh climate zones and they always say that i forget the exact numbers but it's like out of the out of like these certain sort of climate zones throughout the world like the big island has like 11 of the 13 or something like that whoa so like if you get in your car and drive for like two hours you'll go through like if you just like happen to like go to sleep and wake up like 15 minutes later everything looks different go to sleep wake up 15 minutes later everything looks different again it's like it changes so much you know it's wild it's like lava feel and desert and like like a dry land forest and there's like a rainforest and jungle and it's just bizarre well that's the other thing about the big island is that there's sometimes snow there oh yeah we go snowboarding sometimes what the fuck where's that we go up and like build a kicker and like launch off it and drink beer that's what we do it was when it was snow and I was in high school we'd drive up there I try to go every year to the observatory the Keck Observatory when it's when there's no moon so you can see the stars just to freak myself out because I went once many years ago and it just changed my world oh yeah the one experience changed the way it was like literally being on a spaceship it changed the way I looked at the world because for people don't know there's all these light diffusers, these diffused light lamps all around the big island so that it doesn't give any light pollution to the Keck Observatory, which is one of the biggest telescopes in the continental United States, or it's not the continent of the United States, right?

[1148] It's not technically in the U .S. In the world, I think, even the Keck Observatory.

[1149] Yeah, there's crazy clarity and no light pollution there.

[1150] It's beautiful.

[1151] You go up there and you see every star, and it just seems, it seems like you're on a spaceship.

[1152] It's like you're on a spaceship and you're looking through a portal.

[1153] Yeah, that's what it looks like.

[1154] That's literally what it looks like.

[1155] Yeah.

[1156] And it almost hurts your brain.

[1157] It's like, is this up there all the time?

[1158] Not to open a can of worms, but did you follow that whole telescope thing last year on the Big Island?

[1159] Oh, about the construction?

[1160] The 30 -meter telescope that they were trying to do.

[1161] And they said it was sacred land, so they couldn't build it.

[1162] Yeah, well, explain that.

[1163] See, you are up on it.

[1164] That's it.

[1165] I mean, the land where those telescopes are built, you know, it's considered sacred land by a lot.

[1166] a lot of, I mean, basically like every single Hawaiian group that there is.

[1167] Yeah.

[1168] But there's like designated, there's a designated area within that sacred land that is designated for like astronomy and, you know, all that stuff.

[1169] So, but they have like all these giant, giant telescopes that are owned by different countries.

[1170] Like China has theirs and the U .S. has theirs and Soviet Union, whatever, whatever.

[1171] Like all these big countries span all these billions of dollars to make their telescopes.

[1172] And there's some of them that are completely obsolete and they're not even being used anymore.

[1173] So instead of taking those four or five down that they're not even using anymore and building a new big one, they just wanted to build a whole other big one.

[1174] So there was a lot, people were up in arms about it.

[1175] And it was going to be the largest building on the big island as well.

[1176] So people were just up in arms about it.

[1177] And there was all kinds of, you know, people got super activated and really started protesting the whole thing and blocking the road and people were getting arrested and all my friends were involved and everybody was against it and protesting.

[1178] It was pretty wild.

[1179] Because they just didn't want the construction.

[1180] to continue and make bigger things.

[1181] So they felt, it seems inefficient, right?

[1182] It seems like they should be able to take down the old ones and put up a more modern one.

[1183] Yeah.

[1184] There was not really any Hawaiian groups that were against the technology and against the space exploration.

[1185] It wasn't anything about that.

[1186] It was the fact that it was, they felt like they were being disrespect because it was sacred land that was not meant to, you know, build giant observatories there.

[1187] And the fact that there was all these ones that weren't being used.

[1188] Jamie, is that in the front?

[1189] It's crazy.

[1190] Is that an alarm going off?

[1191] It was in the back?

[1192] Happens around here all the time.

[1193] Anyway, it was a wild time, and it was weird because the construction company that was building it, they had the permit already.

[1194] They had the financing already, and they had the Hawaiian government backing them.

[1195] I thought it was over.

[1196] I thought there was no way to stop the thing, and it was amazing.

[1197] People really got activated through social media, Everybody just got up in arms about it.

[1198] Everyone around the world knew about it, and they ended up stopping it.

[1199] That's incredible.

[1200] It was incredible.

[1201] I wonder if that's a good thing or a bad thing, because I'm a big fan of space exploration.

[1202] I'm a big fan of what they find out with these telescopes.

[1203] Yeah.

[1204] But it seems like if they have telescopes they're not using anymore, maybe it's just a financial issue where it costs a lot of money to break them down and put a new one in the place.

[1205] And it's not as financially efficient as starting a new one.

[1206] Well, it's always one of those things where it's like, it's, you know, in, in Hawaii, everything's sacred unless you have enough money.

[1207] It's like America in that way.

[1208] It's like if you want that beachfront house, nope, you can't have it.

[1209] Oh, you got enough money?

[1210] No worries.

[1211] You know, if you're willing to pay like crazy for it, yeah.

[1212] So if you want to build a observatory on the big island, you can't do it unless you have enough money to put $100 million into the education system in Hawaii and Greece all the right.

[1213] politicians and get it all through and you know a lot has to happen for one of those things to be built and then the contracts are once fighting over like the building contracts because it's going to cost 2 .8 billion to build a thing so there's a lot of going on a lot of um a lot of crazy politics happening behind the scenes to get that space exploration happening so that's unfortunate yeah and you're i don't think there's more than a hundred thousand people on the whole island right yeah there's yeah there's more now how many how many people live on the island i think it's roughly between 150 and 200 ,000 now.

[1214] And when did that change?

[1215] It's just slowly going up.

[1216] A lot of people are moving there, especially to the Kona side where I live.

[1217] There's a lot more people moving there, like, permanently.

[1218] Man, it looks like a dope place to live.

[1219] It's a good place to live.

[1220] I mean, it's, don't move there if you're listening to this.

[1221] We've got enough people.

[1222] Damn howlies.

[1223] Are you one of those or you don't count as a howley?

[1224] No, I'm just kidding.

[1225] Are you one of those?

[1226] Do you ever get called one of those?

[1227] Uh, rarely, but I am a holiday.

[1228] I have white skin, you know, but I was, I was, I don't know.

[1229] I mean, I, I, I, I feel like that's, I'm not from anywhere else.

[1230] Right.

[1231] I'm not from, I'm not from New York City or from Afghanistan.

[1232] But do you, do you, do you know how to talk pigeon?

[1233] I know how to talk pigeon, yeah.

[1234] Like, if you were going to say something to Jane, you won't do it?

[1235] You won't do it?

[1236] No, he won't do it.

[1237] It's dangerous.

[1238] It's dangerous.

[1239] It's like speaking ebonics.

[1240] When I, yeah, when I, I, I don't speak.

[1241] pigeon but when I'm having beers with with with with with you know when I'm at home and I'm a couple beers deep and yeah it starts like slipping out every now and then but yeah oh so it's something that you did when you were younger a little bit yeah just to get along and right it's just I don't know it's just it's very typical to when people's most local people speak pigeon where I live yeah B .J Penn was explaining it to me once yeah and he was like saying like how you would say things and I was like some people turn it on and off yeah but I just speak normal English well it's a cool sound it sounds cool it's interesting it's it's a very friendly sort of a fun it is way to a relaxed way my parents my parents were were uh would have killed me if i spoke oh really like in the house yeah there's not cool plus it's like i don't know i i am a white guy so yeah it's not i am not like a you know i didn't grow up in a hawaiian family where everyone spoke pigeon so did your parents move there yeah my doubt is from la my dad is from my dad is from this town he went to hollywood high school surf malibu and he he raised cars and he was a stunt man he was a he was a stunt man for elvis because elvis couldn't swim what yeah elvis couldn't swim i was swimming around pills you think that he'd float good because he's all bloated no kidding right that that was fat elvis he was he was in his prime back then uh yeah so my dad did a bunch of movies with him um like blue hawaii and he had like a series of movies that were all filmed in hawaii and elvis couldn't swim so my dad was the was a stunt double for all those movies and they just decided to stay and he he just got sick of LA and uh he hated the parking guys no I think he just he went to Hawaii and fell in love with it he ended up like moving on moving to Oahu and served and hung out and like met a bunch of like local people that he liked and he liked the lifestyle and how people were there and ended up moving And my mom went to college, and she was from Ohio.

[1242] And right when she graduated high school, she moved to Hawaii and went to U .H. Well, I know, doesn't Woody Harrelson live in Hawaii?

[1243] Yeah, it's where all the best weed is.

[1244] Really?

[1245] Oh, yeah.

[1246] The best weed?

[1247] Listen, if there's better weed than what I have, keep it the fuck away from me. Whoever's got better weed.

[1248] Stay away.

[1249] You can't get any better.

[1250] I hate when people say that.

[1251] People always want to say that.

[1252] Like, someone said to me, they were talking about Colorado weed.

[1253] Is it basically legal?

[1254] Basically legal.

[1255] It's pretty casual where I live, I'm sure.

[1256] But it's not.

[1257] Like if somebody wanted to fuck with you, they could technically...

[1258] Oh, yeah.

[1259] See, that's the thing about, like, Colorado.

[1260] Colorado's wide open.

[1261] Yeah.

[1262] It's just, there's nothing.

[1263] You just can't, you know?

[1264] It's just legal.

[1265] Yeah.

[1266] And nobody can go to jail, unless the feds come in and then you got, like, some...

[1267] You don't want to fuck with Colorado people.

[1268] There's a lot of guns in Colorado.

[1269] That'd be a weird place for the feds to kind of invade.

[1270] Yeah, but there's a lot of people like that, like Woody Harrelson.

[1271] Guys, like, I mean, you know, I mean, I mean, I don't know, Woody, but I have friends who know him on Maui, and they say he's just chill.

[1272] He just likes to, like to Hawaii lifestyle, you know?

[1273] Yeah.

[1274] Well, he's a very nice guy by all accounts.

[1275] Yeah.

[1276] I ran into this couple the other day at the Comedy Store, and they moved from L .A. to Hawaii.

[1277] They live in Maui now, and the girl hates it, and the dude loves it.

[1278] It was interesting talking to them because the dude works at a resort there.

[1279] He's like, it is the fucking best place in the world to live.

[1280] Everybody's relaxed.

[1281] It's super cool.

[1282] The weather's amazing, it's beautiful.

[1283] And the girl was like, I've got to get the fuck out of here.

[1284] Yeah.

[1285] So my wife is moved from L .A. at Tacona.

[1286] She went to UCLA, and then she worked for Warner Brothers Television.

[1287] Whoa.

[1288] Yeah.

[1289] So she was on the grind.

[1290] Is that what you met her?

[1291] You met her out here?

[1292] No, I met her in San Diego years ago.

[1293] Like, before, like, right when she graduated high school and started going to like a little college there.

[1294] And you're like, you're coming with me, woman.

[1295] We're going to a rock in the middle of the ocean.

[1296] Basically, yeah.

[1297] I'm moving you to a volcano.

[1298] Yeah.

[1299] So she looks like a Hawaiian.

[1300] She's half Japanese.

[1301] Oh, that's very beautiful.

[1302] Convenient.

[1303] So she looks like a local.

[1304] So everyone thinks I am the Howley and she's a local girl.

[1305] Oh.

[1306] It's pretty funny.

[1307] So they think you snagged up a good one?

[1308] I did.

[1309] But they think you took one of theirs.

[1310] Yeah, the local girls.

[1311] So anyway.

[1312] But it's funny because when I asked her to marry me and to move to Hawaii with me, it was like, look, like, this is where I live.

[1313] Like, you're not from, like, you're not really, she's not really from anywhere.

[1314] She was like born on the East Coast Like live all over the Midwest She moved a million different times You know, her dad had For his work was moving all over the place And I went to high school and college in California So when she moved to Hawaii She moved to L .A and she was an entertainment business So she was, she went from like 10th gear to first gear Whoa She was like crazy downshift So she's like yeah it'll be fine It'll be awesome You know I'm like I'll do whatever it takes You're the right one You gotta move to Hawaii We're gonna do this whole deal the family, the life, the whole deal in Hawaii.

[1315] But she moved there and melted down big time.

[1316] Yeah.

[1317] Oh, yeah.

[1318] I had these terrifying moments where I thought I was going to have to move to L .A. Whoa.

[1319] Yeah.

[1320] And I would have.

[1321] I would have done anything for her.

[1322] And I told her, I'm like, hey, the Hawaii thing doesn't work out.

[1323] And, you know, I'll try to move to California.

[1324] So what was the meltdown over?

[1325] You know, just like her friends, her job, her life was all in L .A., right?

[1326] Yeah.

[1327] She left everything behind, sacrificed everything, and moved to where I live, where my family is, my friends.

[1328] And she didn't have any of that.

[1329] So, and then, you know, she had a hard time for a while, but as soon as she met a couple friends, and it was all good.

[1330] And now she couldn't pry her away from the place.

[1331] Now she loves it where I live.

[1332] So she's a local girl now.

[1333] Wow, that's interesting.

[1334] But it took a while.

[1335] Until she got friends there, she was like, the whole Hawaii thing was on thin ice.

[1336] that's how it always is though with people you know when you move to a new place it's fucking hard to be alone it's hard to be lonely it's lonely it's hard to meet people that you actually like to oh yeah especially if you're from l .a yeah you move to hawaii it's like you know she's she's not like a whole she's not like a local a local girl you know there's like a typical local girl um and i don't get myself in hot water but she wasn't one of those she was you know she just had a hard time finding that first good friend she was cal California -nized.

[1337] Yeah.

[1338] Well, I would think that, like, activities, like for you surfing, obviously, you would meet other surfers, bow hunting, you'd meet other bow hunters, you'd find common ground, you'd make some friends if you had to move to a place like that.

[1339] But if you don't have, like, a real obvious thing that you like to do, that other people like to do as well, I would say that would become a real issue.

[1340] It would.

[1341] It would, because, you know, I think you feel like you lose your identity, and that's no way to live.

[1342] No. You don't want to, like, move somewhere or live some life where you don't really know what's going on or don't know why you're doing what you're doing.

[1343] For me, it would be super hard to not be around comedians.

[1344] Yeah.

[1345] Like, I'm so used to being around fucked up people that make jokes about everything and anything.

[1346] And comedians are just so unusual in, like, the way they behave.

[1347] Yeah.

[1348] And you get used to them.

[1349] Yeah.

[1350] It becomes normal.

[1351] You know, I'm used to being around the comedy store and places like that.

[1352] And just the sharpness and the quickness and the pace that people's brains work in comedy or, you know, in comedy or.

[1353] Even just in L .A., just the pace of how quick people are thinking and talking and acting and acting and being and living.

[1354] And then you go to a place like Hawaii, it takes most people like three or four or five days or a week to just chill the hell out and relax a little bit.

[1355] Yeah.

[1356] Just unwind.

[1357] Just on your phone.

[1358] Yeah.

[1359] And that's why the whole like bow hunting thing, like how good does it feel to just unplug your phone?

[1360] It feels good.

[1361] Good.

[1362] Turn my phone off and leave it behind.

[1363] And it's just awesome.

[1364] Doesn't it also feel weird when you're a place that has no?

[1365] No signals.

[1366] Like, there's nothing going on.

[1367] There's no phone signal.

[1368] There's no Wi -Fi.

[1369] It almost feels like the air feels different.

[1370] It's the ultimate excuse, though, to why you can't get back to people because I'm terrible.

[1371] I hate the phone.

[1372] I hate it with a passion.

[1373] Text message, fine.

[1374] Email, okay.

[1375] Phone?

[1376] No. Don't call me. Oh, actual phone calls?

[1377] Yeah.

[1378] Well, some people are just way too into constantly interacting with people all the time.

[1379] I want to communicate when I want.

[1380] I communicate.

[1381] That's why text messages is so good.

[1382] It's like, you can text someone, and when they feel like it, they can answer.

[1383] It's all good.

[1384] No, text messages are really good in that way.

[1385] I used to think text messages were stupid, and now I think, like, phone calls are stupid, for the most part.

[1386] Same.

[1387] Even email.

[1388] It's also, you don't have enough time with people constantly being on their phone and constantly, like, being connected to things.

[1389] You don't have time where there's reflection, alone time, relaxing time, just thinking about shit.

[1390] Yeah.

[1391] And, you know, and And that's, I think, for me at least, that's when I make a lot of my life decisions, like, where I want to go or what direction I want to go.

[1392] When I'm alone, and I can just think about what's going on.

[1393] Like, what's bugging me about my life?

[1394] Like, this is too busy.

[1395] This is too much bullshit.

[1396] This is too much hassle.

[1397] I need to get the fuck away from that.

[1398] And when I'm constantly on the grind, I don't think like that.

[1399] I'm constantly on the grind.

[1400] I'm like, all right, I got to juggle this.

[1401] And then this is coming on and that's coming up next.

[1402] And that's what's appealing to me about a place like Hawaii is like, like, there's no. juggling man yeah yeah it's great it's a lot for most people though you know it's it's it's definitely different it's definitely different yeah have you ever done a backcountry solo bow hunting trip um not solo no you have to yeah you have to do it i worry about fucking breaking my leg out in the middle of the forest you have to do it i have to break my leg no no bring a sat phone oh okay yeah rent a sat phone you get a sat phone rental boom you got your own you got your own you got your that phone you can call you can bring an e -perb bring whatever safety stuff you want but right do five -day backcountry by yourself yeah where do you go when you do those i do them at home i do it home in hawai or do you go somewhere else no i do it around my house where there's vast open spaces where i live so i can do it um you bring a tent in a lot of other places you kind of sort of can't do it um it's they're illegal or or it's not the areas aren't large enough to like just really get out but yeah do the tent do the super ultralight thing i bring my own water um or all being a if there's water in the area i'll bring a pump a whole deal ultra light bag ultra light tent ultralight the whole like all my sleeping gear a lot of times i'll do the bivy thing where you hunt all day and then you sleep wherever it gets dark you know and that's the best but just the uh you know what you were saying about like you know being alone to think finally it's like i don't know like even it's like we're so used to being entertained all the time yeah and that's something that like people are addicted to like whether it's your phone or even like if me and you went hunting a lot of time i'd be your entertainment or you'd be my entertainment but when no one's entertaining you and you're by yourself and you're just out there and you're making your own fires and you're waking up and you're doing your own hunt and you're not relying on a guide or a friend or okay i'm gonna hunt over there you hunt over here and you're just doing your own thing and even if you're not even hunting just being silent you're not talking to yourself so you're not talking to anybody you're not talking on your phone you're not communicating with anyone and after four or five days I did this at home I did a hunt where I left my house had my wife drop me off and I did this long walk over this giant mountain bad idea um but it was awesomely fun and uh I camped out for like four days and I ended up hurting my leg really bad I like pulled a muscle behind my knee and I was planning on going back and having my wife pick me up again and halfway there and normally you have no service in this area it's like a black zone and so i hiked to an area where i just i found service and i couldn't walk back i was i was too screwed up my my knee was too screwed up anyway i called my friend who had access to a ranch at the very top of this ranch i could walk to it so it's like another day's walk and a whole day walking yeah with a fucked up leg yeah slowly walking and i called him and i said hey you know can you pick me up on tuesday at the rent and he's like yeah i'm going to be up there anyway i can come pick you up at the top and so he picks me up and after five days he got out of the out of the car and he was talking to me like how i'm talking to you and it sounded like he was yelling at me oh wow yeah so weird i was so used to like this silence that i was sounded like he was yelling at me and i was like staring at me and i was like staring at him.

[1403] I must have been looking at him really weird.

[1404] It's like, but you got to do it.

[1405] You got to be by yourself totally alone with no like, no communication for like at least three days.

[1406] Do you know, just for just the experience?

[1407] Do you know what Adam Green Tree is from Australia?

[1408] Yeah, I do.

[1409] Yeah, I was hunting with him just maybe a month ago.

[1410] Oh, okay, cool.

[1411] Well, he's a good buddy of mine.

[1412] We've been bear hunting before and hung out with him and camp.

[1413] He's a great guy.

[1414] I hung out with him in Australia when I was there for the UFC too.

[1415] He is a killer, dude.

[1416] He's a badass hunter.

[1417] He's a badass hunter.

[1418] He's just a badass dude, but he was telling me that when he goes off to these trips, because he does most of his hunt solo, and that's like really weird.

[1419] He detaches and, like, centers himself, but he says he comes back after being out there for eight or nine days, and he hasn't said a word in eight or nine days, and he says it just feels weird to talk to people.

[1420] Yeah, yeah.

[1421] Just feels weird to say words.

[1422] Yeah, it does.

[1423] And it's cool, man. And it puts a lot of shit in perspective about what you're planning on doing and, you know, the next 10 years or what's happening in your life or, you know, whatever it is.

[1424] I mean, you know, not to get deep in here, but it's a trip, man. It really is.

[1425] I did like, I did nine days by myself in Colorado, backcountry, do it yourself.

[1426] Whoa.

[1427] In a tent.

[1428] And it's snow for five of the days.

[1429] Where'd you go?

[1430] One time I went in kind of in the mountains near Breckenridge.

[1431] And then another time I went in a mountain range called the Santa, San Diego.

[1432] Santa de Cristo Mountains.

[1433] It's in the southern part of the state in some steep shit, some really gnarly stuff.

[1434] And I hiked like eight miles back with my ultra light stuff.

[1435] Whoa.

[1436] And I had hunted in that area with a buddy of mine from home the year before.

[1437] And we planned on going again.

[1438] And then he kicked out last second because he couldn't make it.

[1439] So I was just like, screw it.

[1440] I got a ticket.

[1441] I got a tag.

[1442] I'm going by myself.

[1443] So I rented a sat phone just in case.

[1444] And I went there and like the second day, I walked like eight miles back.

[1445] Like as a bird flies, right?

[1446] So it's like really long walk.

[1447] But that's where the elk were.

[1448] Meaning long walk for people who look, what was it as the bird flies?

[1449] If you go on a straight line, it's eight miles, but you're going up and down and up and down.

[1450] So it's way more than that.

[1451] So I parked at like 8 ,500 feet and camped at 10 ,500 feet, which is the highest water I could camp at, right?

[1452] Wow.

[1453] And the elk were at like 11 ,500 feet.

[1454] So it was a lot of hiking, a lot of walking, and just being by yourself and then the snow component for somebody from Hawaii, you know, it's like snowing, every day.

[1455] And I was cooking in my tent and eating and snowing and an elk were coming in at night and screaming their guts out.

[1456] Then there was like a crazy lightning storm and windstorm.

[1457] I had to pack up my tent in the middle of the night.

[1458] I thought it was going to blow over.

[1459] I thought trees were going to hit me. I had to go into like a dense pine forest and reset up my tent to the middle of night during a lightning storm.

[1460] I had to call my wife in the middle of night and like, you know, let her know exactly where I was just in case she hit the fan.

[1461] But that type of stuff is, you know, a lot of bears in that area and lions and lot shit so um those type of experience for i didn't ever had those kind of experiences before i started hunting ever i never saw that that kind of country i never i never put myself in those kind of situations and and until i found bow hunting that's that's the reason i was never like i'm going to go hiking not a hiker i need to have like a purpose when i'm hiking right so i'm basically like a a hiker with a bow these days and and that's what gets me out to these kind of places and had some of the best experiences my life just because I found bo -hunting well those those woods and like where you're going these places where you're not going to run it in any other people there's there's a feeling that you get from those those environments it's almost like a loneliness in a way like a or almost like a it's there's awe right because it's so beautiful and so incredible but it's also it's humbling in a bunch of different ways and one of the ways it's humbling is because this woods doesn't give a fuck about you yeah if you die it's like so what yeah grislies keep fucking eating yeah elk keep having sex and screaming their heads off yeah and birds keep flying and that's just how we've always done it dude sorry you didn't make it yeah that's exactly right it doesn't care and you're alone like alone alone the like the dark night seems darker yeah you know the the silence seems more silent oh yeah way more you know you get back to your tent and it's dark what's a big perspective in here It is.

[1462] I went to Prince of Wales last year.

[1463] We hunted on Prince of Wales Island outside of Alaska.

[1464] It's fucking rained every day.

[1465] Just miserable every day.

[1466] Bears, moose?

[1467] We were hunting deer.

[1468] We were hunting sick of blacktail.

[1469] Very cool.

[1470] But unsuccessful.

[1471] We didn't, we struck out.

[1472] But when we came back, I heard it's hard.

[1473] It's real hard.

[1474] There's not a lot of them where we were, we fucked up.

[1475] We got to a place where they had already moved down towards the water and we were up high.

[1476] Were you with Camino hunt?

[1477] No, that was with Ronella.

[1478] That was for the Meat Eater show.

[1479] But one of the things about it was that feeling of like, almost like a sadness like so beautiful and gorgeous.

[1480] Like it would rain every day, but every now and then the sun would come up.

[1481] And when the sun would come up, the sun would hit this incredible green.

[1482] It was just like illuminating.

[1483] Like it was lit up.

[1484] And we got back after seven days of this or how many days were six days.

[1485] And everything in L .A. seems so nice.

[1486] It was so warm and beautiful.

[1487] And I just loved it.

[1488] I was so happy.

[1489] And I called Rinella up.

[1490] And I was like, dude, I don't think I've ever been happier in my life.

[1491] Like, I'm so happy.

[1492] And it's because I was so miserable for those days.

[1493] And that, that's another perspective enhancer to realize, like, you're so goddamn lucky you have a roof overhead.

[1494] And that, you know, listen to the radio in your car, and then you could, you know, you can get around and it's easy and you could talk to people on your phone.

[1495] When you're out in just the woods, woods, no cell phone service, no nothing, there's nothing.

[1496] No Amazon packages come into your house and like food delivery and nothing, no pizza.

[1497] You can't order pizza.

[1498] There's fucking nothing, man. We brought some food with us and that is what we ate because we struck out.

[1499] And the cold, man. Yeah.

[1500] And the wet.

[1501] The wet.

[1502] Yeah.

[1503] Until you've been head to toe of soaking wet in your boots and your socks and your pants and your rain gear and your everything is Everything that's supposed to keep you warm and safe from the elements is soaked to the bone and it's getting cold That's gnarly well that's also where you appreciate really good gear too like merino wool That's right You know wool is a weird cloth in that like if you have cotton on and you get wet You're fucked but if you have wool on and you get wet the wool actually retains the heat so you could be wet and still warm yeah which is really unusual and hard for people to understand if you've never worn wool well that's when that i mean the the the right gear you know there's a lot of hunts that really you don't really need the right gear for some hunting but in that backcountry stuff or in real steep mountains or stuff where you have to walk far if your shoes are wet and your socks are wet you're gonna get the gnarliest blisters and you won't be able to walk anywhere that's why i'm really fascinated by companies like coo you that spend all this time developing the most technical gear, like the lightest weight, the best at absorbing wind for their tents.

[1504] And, you know, they go through great lengths to engineer their products to make sure that it's just...

[1505] I mean, it's a giant company that just makes ultra -light gear for hunting.

[1506] It's kind of crazy that there's a company like that.

[1507] Yeah, but you can see why when you go on the backcountry hunting, you don't have the right gear, that's the last kind of hunting you're going to do like that.

[1508] It's like a survival thing.

[1509] How did you figure out, like, what stuff to bring and what stuff not to bring?

[1510] Did you read up or did you do trial or trial?

[1511] You know, right when I got into bow hunting, I got bored of feeding pigs and having them come to my house and having them come to my tree stand.

[1512] I got bored of that pretty quick.

[1513] It was super fun at first, and I loved it.

[1514] And it was, you know, really good learning.

[1515] And it was a blast.

[1516] You know, it's building tree stands by myself.

[1517] But I super quickly got bored of that.

[1518] want to do something else.

[1519] I wanted to go walk in the mountains all day long.

[1520] I ordered Cameron Haynes' backcountry bow hunting book.

[1521] This is right when I started hunting.

[1522] I had no idea who Cameron Haynes was, and I just was geeking out on everything hunting.

[1523] And I did some research, found that book, ordered it.

[1524] It changed my life.

[1525] I got like, and it's funny because I told Cameron that, I told him that I got his book and it like fully inspired me. I ordered like the ultra light tent the right one i did all this research on which one to get which one was lightest which one's the driest which one is the best of cooking which is that the biggest vestibule i ordered the right you know the right stove and all the right you know ultra light plates and and and camps camp cups and um uh sleeping bags and the towel the little towel that packs up tiny and the pillow that packs of tiny and the right backpack and all that stuff so it's funny because that you know When you're shaving ounces, and it really adds up.

[1526] You know, it's like a difference between, like, an 80 -pound pack and a 40 -pound pack when you get, if you get the right gear.

[1527] Yeah.

[1528] Jason Hirsten, the owner of Kuyu, he makes a spreadsheet where he weighs every single thing he's bringing.

[1529] And he packs it up, and he weighs, like, what's in each pack and what he needs for each.

[1530] And he has this, like, this Excel spreadsheet of all the different stuff.

[1531] And that's how seriously people take it.

[1532] especially like sheep hunting and things on those lines i got so geeked out on the ultralight thing that i started like looking at all of like like um like ultra light um ultra light um ultra light hiking websites and like getting all the tips like instead of just bringing like a little spork you know one of those like little sport the ultra light sporks you'd cut your fork in half or even like in just one -third so you just had the fork just the fork part so like you you'd you'd shave off those ounces of the rest of the fork you'd just be the part where you just eight you know and your and your toothbrush you cut it so it was just the part that goes on your teeth yeah that's what adam does he was telling me he does that pretty funny but it's ridiculous i'm a manly man i can carry a fucking toothbrush handle yeah it's funny though because it all adds up when you you know you don't think you need that much stuff to go on a backcountry hunt but a lot of times you put every single thing you're going to put in that pack and there's a lot of stuff right and to shave those ounces down means then you can bring like a better tent a better sleeping bag right you add up some more ounces on the other side i i'm a big and i'm a big and eater so I bring a lot of food yeah and water and you know now do you weigh out your food do you make sure that you have like intense like calorie dense food yeah what kind of stuff do you bring with you when you go on a backcountry hunt of oh man stuff you get bored of quick like um I bring like nuts like macadamia nuts and almonds and um pecans and cheese and jerky and stuff like that and if there's especially if there's water that's a game changer if there's water where you're going to be or even anywhere near where you're going to be that are bringing a stove every time with oatmeal and freeze dried meals like mountain house meals those are insane yeah do you ever try dehydrated yeah those are those same ones yeah but there's dehydrated and freeze dry the dehydrate is apparently lighter yeah that's why people are uh gravitating towards dehydrated now gotcha those mountain house are so light i don't know how any one anything could be lighter than that while you're shaving the handle off your toothbrush that's right maybe they take up Less space, too.

[1533] Yeah, I think that is what they're saying.

[1534] Yeah, it takes up less space.

[1535] Yeah, but there's certain things that I can't skimp on, like food.

[1536] But, you know what's really good is when you, like before I do a hunt like that, I'll make like two panfuls of bacon and I'll make it all up.

[1537] And then I'll bring that.

[1538] And it's like, that's my treat at lunch.

[1539] I'll have a couple pieces of bacon.

[1540] Doesn't it go bad?

[1541] No, it kind of doesn't.

[1542] It doesn't.

[1543] How long does bacon last?

[1544] Once you cook it, it depends where you hunt also.

[1545] If you're hunting in.

[1546] And in Arizona in the summer, then maybe, yeah, or somewhere by the beach in Hawaii, you'd probably go bad.

[1547] But in a normal hunt, if your stuff doesn't get super hot, no, it's fine.

[1548] How long has cooked bacon last?

[1549] You know, I got that idea, I think, from Cameron Haynes' book.

[1550] Oh, yeah?

[1551] They'd make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches with bacon in it.

[1552] Oh, yeah.

[1553] And so I would do that.

[1554] I don't know how long it lasts, but don't tell me if it's, but I'd bring it for like a five -day hunt, no worries.

[1555] And he's bacon at least the first three days.

[1556] Once you start getting diarrhea, then you cut back.

[1557] Exactly.

[1558] Exactly.

[1559] But what was I going to say?

[1560] Oh, because I don't know, I just crave the fats.

[1561] It's like I'm eating, I'm eating all these nuts and bars.

[1562] Nuts and bars, nuts and bars, nuts and bars.

[1563] And all I want is fat, like grease.

[1564] Well, when you're doing heavy -duty climbing and things along those lines and going up and down mountains, that is what you crave.

[1565] Yeah.

[1566] Like you're not into carbohydrates.

[1567] You're into fats.

[1568] Your body's like, we need something cowery, dense.

[1569] Oh, yeah.

[1570] And then when I leave hunting, when I leave the mountains, like say I go to car, Colorado and I hunt for a week and I'm like I lose 10 pounds and get all super skinny and like mountain man style I get out of there and I just want like a bacon double cheeseburger like a big giant not like the kind of the fast food place but like a big like a third pound burger with a ton of bacon on it with like blue cheese and avocados on it yeah just massive fat and just go giant and just blow my self sky high with a giant thing of fries and yeah that's always what I crave well the amount of calories that you're burning when you're climbing up and down mountains all the time.

[1571] It's insane.

[1572] It's thousands of calories a day.

[1573] You literally have to keep stuffing your face just to maintain your body mass. Yeah, you do.

[1574] Well, if you were a person who is doing this on a regular basis, I mean, you would get really good at preparing for these things.

[1575] So you must have like undergone like a transformation where you started off sort of kind of like trying to figure it out and then as you got better and better and better, you got more and more streamlined in your approach.

[1576] Do you feel like you have it down to like a science now if you want to do something like that?

[1577] With what the actual backcountry hunt or the actual hunting itself?

[1578] Well all the stuff you're packing your plan.

[1579] Do you ever use Google Maps?

[1580] Oh yeah.

[1581] That's pretty cool that you can do that now.

[1582] It's incredible on your phone these days.

[1583] Yeah.

[1584] Yeah.

[1585] It's amazing.

[1586] Well what people do if you don't know, they find an area like say if you draw a tag for an area, you get it over, this is not for you for people listening obviously, but you get an overhead.

[1587] Google Earth will give you, It'll show you where the peaks and valleys are, and it's amazing.

[1588] It shows you the canyons.

[1589] It shows you water sources.

[1590] And you see from a satellite image, so you can literally see elk, like sometimes on Google Earth, which is incredible.

[1591] Yeah.

[1592] And you can really, like, you know, you can get back to your camp much more, much quicker, shave a lot of time, you know, don't get lost in a dark.

[1593] You know, you can get to your water source way quicker and it's really efficient, but then you need to bring batteries for your phone or, you know, some solar panel.

[1594] but I haven't really found a super efficient solar panel that'll charge up your phone and your stuff that fast.

[1595] Yeah, especially when you're in the woods.

[1596] You're not getting a lot of sunlight there.

[1597] It always seems like it doesn't work as good as you hope.

[1598] Yeah, they're getting better at those things.

[1599] Yeah, they're getting...

[1600] I mean, if you're in Arizona, you know, and you're in this...

[1601] Yeah, of course, yeah.