#1001 - Mike Baker

[0] struggle.

[1] All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're live.

[2] The president's now blind.

[3] He's been staring at the sun all day, trying to see the eclipse.

[4] There's photos of it.

[5] Mike Baker, help us out.

[6] What are we doing, man?

[7] Well, I've told you, that's probably, again, it's an indication that they don't have a lot of discipline in that communications department of the White House.

[8] No one got him the message.

[9] Don't, sir, sir, don't look at the sun.

[10] Not only that.

[11] Definitely don't look at the sun while people are looking at you.

[12] Yeah, yeah.

[13] Jesus Christ, the whole world is going to mock you.

[14] Don't you know that?

[15] Everybody knows this since they were a kid, right?

[16] Even if you've never been involved in an eclipse, every kid knows, don't look at the sun.

[17] It's the one thing that every child learns somehow.

[18] You know what I tried to do though?

[19] I'm a fucking idiot.

[20] I took two dark sunglasses.

[21] I put them on top of each other.

[22] I put one pair and then I put another pair over them.

[23] It doesn't work, folks.

[24] Don't do that way.

[25] But it looks good.

[26] It does look good.

[27] I only looked for a second and I went, oh, okay, this doesn't work.

[28] But you know where I could look at it?

[29] I could look at it through my pool, like the reflection in the pool.

[30] You can see the eclipse?

[31] There you go.

[32] But it never really got fully dark here.

[33] You know, we're too low.

[34] Yeah, I just came down from Idaho.

[35] I was up there in the mountains over the past few days, and it was just, it did just hippies coming in from left and right, and the entire state just overrun with hippies.

[36] And, I mean, they're parking in people's, you know, ranches.

[37] They're just driving up on fields that have just been planted.

[38] They're just, it's the weirdest shit.

[39] It's like they don't even think.

[40] And so they, but they came out, you know, hey, God bless them.

[41] I don't know that I was intellectually curious enough to really, you know, worry about the eclipse.

[42] There's a balance.

[43] And you know what?

[44] I think a lot of intellectual curiosity is great and a lot of hippie values are great.

[45] But then you go too far into the hippie retard gene pool and you get these dopey hippies that are hippies that, you know, they're the worst kind of hippies.

[46] The hippies that don't really want to do any work, but they want universal basic income.

[47] They want all these.

[48] Hey, man, these one percenters, they have plenty of money so they knew.

[49] should have to work, ever?

[50] They just passed a tax up in Seattle.

[51] It's probably going to get struck down, but it basically was up in Seattle.

[52] We've got to bless them up there.

[53] They've decided that they're going to go against the state charter, which says you can't have a tax, right, an income tax, and they've gone ahead and done it for the, I think it's for the top 2 % or something like that.

[54] Oh, only tax them.

[55] Only tax the people are doing something.

[56] Right, because, you know, you've got to make this thing more equitable.

[57] That's hilarious.

[58] Yeah.

[59] That's really funny.

[60] Well, what's interesting is that's the whole reason why a lot of companies like Amazon and Microsoft.

[61] That's the reason why they've located to Seattle, you fucking dummies.

[62] And they're going to pull out, and then you wouldn't have any jobs, and then you'd be poor.

[63] But you know what?

[64] Somebody's going to pay for that.

[65] We came from, we moved out from Fairfield County from New Cane and Connecticut when we moved out to Idaho, which was the world's greatest move.

[66] Oh, it's the best move of all time.

[67] Connecticut sucks.

[68] Connecticut sucks.

[69] Connecticut sucks.

[70] And the thing was, yeah, I mean, but they know it, right?

[71] The people in Connecticut know it.

[72] You're good people, but you live in a sucky spot.

[73] And their plan, the plan of the governor and the rest of the crew there is when you need more money, tax Fairfield County, right, which is home to New Canaan and Greenwich and Darien and Stanford.

[74] The people that work in the city or the people that are working in finance.

[75] And now what they've had over the past three, four years, ever since the governor's been running the shop, is people moving out.

[76] I mean, GE moved out.

[77] General Electric, the entire operation where General Electric said, went to the state and said, I know people are thinking, why are we talking about this?

[78] But they went to the state house, and they said, you can't keep doing this.

[79] You can't keep jacking it up on us to pay for everything.

[80] We're happy to pay, and we are, pairing our fair share.

[81] So they did that.

[82] General Electric said, we're going to move.

[83] the state didn't believe them.

[84] They've all relocated to Boston.

[85] They've got, who else is moving to Edna, I think, the large insurance company.

[86] Now, Connecticut's known as sort of the insurance capital, right?

[87] They're leaving.

[88] Hedge funds, private equity groups, moving down the Florida.

[89] And again, great, pay your fair share, but at a certain point, everybody's got to contribute something, right?

[90] You can't just say, that's what you're going to do.

[91] And I'm not in the 1 %.

[92] I wish I was.

[93] It used to be when you were a kid.

[94] You wanted to be rich, Right?

[95] Now, you know, I don't know what people want.

[96] You want to be in the middle.

[97] You want to be comfortable.

[98] Yeah.

[99] That's where you want to be comfortable.

[100] I don't know.

[101] I always thought it'd be pretty cool to be wealthy, you know, and I think I'd be pretty good at it.

[102] My friend Brian Callant said it best once, and it stuck with me forever.

[103] He said, you know what you want to be?

[104] You want to be to the point where you don't have to worry about your bills, and you can go to a restaurant and not worry about what you order.

[105] He goes, everything other than that is bullshit.

[106] Yeah.

[107] Because everybody, you know what, and that's a good point, I guess, because that's, you take that stress out of your life.

[108] Yeah.

[109] And then I get, well, I guess you're going to.

[110] worry about it something else.

[111] Well, people find extra stress.

[112] They'll find stress.

[113] I mean, like, look at these assholes that buy these $500 million yachts.

[114] It's like, they just realize, like, I don't have enough problems in my life.

[115] I need to buy a fucking floating city.

[116] And then I got to hire a crew of 100 to work on it.

[117] Yeah.

[118] They've talked shit about me. Every time I turn my back.

[119] I mean, I want to fuck my wife.

[120] Damn it.

[121] I'm going to get in line.

[122] Is that Boesem's mate finished?

[123] Bosen's mate.

[124] I don't know if I came up with Bosen's.

[125] Is that a real thing?

[126] I think it is, yeah.

[127] I think there is such a thing as a bosun's made.

[128] There's always like this, like, ebb and flow, right?

[129] I mean, the people that have accumulated too much wealth, especially when it comes to, like, hedge fund people and finance people, it's like, what are you actually doing?

[130] Right.

[131] And you're using that money to influence policy, and that policy allows you to extract more money from the system, and it gets real slippery because occasionally you guys fuck up and it crashes the whole economy.

[132] Right.

[133] Like, that kind of money is, like, very creepy.

[134] But when you're talking about someone who's developed a legitimate product, they sell and they're successful.

[135] They work hard.

[136] They've made something, some sort of a business.

[137] They're building a business.

[138] Exactly, yeah.

[139] Yeah, they're hiring people.

[140] No, there's a house.

[141] There's a balance.

[142] For sale up in the Hamptons now, there's a house for $175 million.

[143] Seems logical.

[144] Yeah, $175 million.

[145] But you know what?

[146] It's on the beach, so it's got waterfront to it.

[147] So I guess that explains the price tag.

[148] But here's the thing about that water fund.

[149] Anybody can walk in front of your house.

[150] Yeah, that's true.

[151] That's a huge problem in Malibu.

[152] There's this a couple of them I'm friends with and their sons, And they live in Malibu.

[153] They have a house in Malibu, and they were surfing in the water in front of this house.

[154] This guy comes out and yells and screams at them, you know, get the fuck off the beach.

[155] Because, you know, he's this $10 million house right there on the beach.

[156] And they're like, what are you talking about?

[157] Like, we live right over there, you piece of shit.

[158] Yeah.

[159] And like, not only that, anybody can be on this beach.

[160] This is the ocean, you cunt.

[161] Yeah.

[162] You don't own the ocean.

[163] You don't see any private beach signs up.

[164] And for the most point, that's true.

[165] Up in the Hamas, I think this actually has some private beach frontage, which, again, so the $175 million seems somewhat reasonable.

[166] The Hampton's most expensive home.

[167] There it is, right there.

[168] 175.

[169] Oh, yeah, that's it.

[170] Look at that.

[171] He's got a lake.

[172] He's got a lake and then further past the lake.

[173] Wow, they all have lakes.

[174] Yeah.

[175] What is that?

[176] Is that fresh water or brackish water?

[177] That must be brackish water, right?

[178] I guess.

[179] That'd be pretty badass, though, to fish in your front yard like that.

[180] I wonder if the kitchen appliances convey.

[181] How big is this house?

[182] Yeah.

[183] Is that, wait a minute, that overhead view was the entire property?

[184] Mm -hmm.

[185] Baller.

[186] You know what, though?

[187] Here's the thing.

[188] But look at that picture, though.

[189] Does that look like $175 million in your mind?

[190] I mean, you think the whole fucking thing should be plated in gold.

[191] 42 acres.

[192] Wow.

[193] Okay, there you go.

[194] That's what it is.

[195] Yeah.

[196] Oh, the Ford family.

[197] Oh.

[198] Oh.

[199] Well, there's the car company.

[200] Yeah.

[201] So.

[202] Hashtag balling on Mustangs.

[203] If you get, I think you're right.

[204] If you get to that point where you can entertain the idea of maybe I'll put 10 % down and then I'll take the rest of the mortgage um then yeah you've probably got too much money it reminds me of that scene in the big lobowski when you meet the big the other lobowski and he's in the wheelchair and his wife's offering to suck dudes dicks for a thousand bucks you know it's like that's the kind of shit that happens you get a trophy wife you buy yourself a mansion and your days are just filled with stress it's such a great movie it's a great movie i used to use that movie to judge whether or not i enjoyed people's opinions yeah like tell me what you think about the big labosier oh it's fucking stupid i didn't get it okay I've talked to a lot of people.

[205] They said, I couldn't make it through the first hour.

[206] And I'm thinking, oh, God, how do you not find this funny?

[207] Jeez, I let my kids watch it.

[208] I mean, admittedly, the two youngest walked away, but the older one, hey, you know.

[209] So anyway, yeah, I'm taking him fishing tomorrow and we're off to Alaska in the morning.

[210] Oh, salmon or halibut?

[211] Salmon.

[212] And if the salmon aren't, you know, interested in us, we'll go after some halibut.

[213] This is a silver salmon season right now, right?

[214] King.

[215] Oh, King, so you're on the open water?

[216] Is that where you guys going?

[217] Well, yeah, we're going up to Catch Can, which is a really interesting place by itself.

[218] And then we've got to take a plane out of there about 45 minutes outside of there to a little place called Yes Bay.

[219] And they have a really good operation up there.

[220] And you spend a lot of time, to be honest with you, if the fish aren't biting, then we just go hike.

[221] And I'm going to take my boy, this will be the first time for him to go up there.

[222] And it's going to be great.

[223] But I've just now emptied the freezer of some.

[224] salmon and halibut and rockfish from the last trip.

[225] So it's time to stock up again, but it's just a great time of year.

[226] Isn't that a great thing to have fish that you caught in your freezer that you can go back to that, you know, it was only like an hour old by the time you threw it on the ice?

[227] Yeah, it's fantastic.

[228] And so if, and just also just getting up there, if people haven't been up to Alaska, get up there and see it before it melts.

[229] I don't know why I said that.

[230] I think it's going to be fine.

[231] It'll be fine.

[232] Are you worried about it?

[233] You know what?

[234] Not in the sense that, oh my God, if I. if I don't quit driving my wagon here, the glaciers are going to, you know, all melt away.

[235] You know, I'm sure we have some impact.

[236] It's like everything else, right?

[237] The truth is in the middle somewhere.

[238] Right.

[239] Right.

[240] So I'm sure we should all do our part.

[241] But do I think we're all going to, you know, the polar bears are dying off tomorrow?

[242] No, but, I don't know.

[243] I guess everybody with their ideas.

[244] Yeah, there's definitely some issues with polar bears and areas that have less ice.

[245] But apparently the polar bear population, this is something that I read about Canada, at least in Canada, the polar bear population is higher than it's been in years.

[246] There's not a shortage of polar bears, but if you go over there to, like, they have hunts for polar bears.

[247] Like, they pay people to take them on polar bear hunts, but then you can't bring the polar bear back to the United States.

[248] Like, you can keep it in Canada, you can, like, if you come from Europe and you want to hunt a polar bear, you can, it's all very weird.

[249] But you imagine trying to pack a polar bear back into the States.

[250] Jesus Christ.

[251] Yeah, no, I just shot that.

[252] really.

[253] You can see what the reaction would be.

[254] You know what?

[255] I think it's, yeah, everybody should do their part, right?

[256] There's no doubt about that.

[257] You know, don't be a douche.

[258] But the problem is, in part, it's like both sides, they latch on to one piece of information, right?

[259] So like what you just said, you know, the polar bear population grows.

[260] So, you know, one side will latch on and say, see, there's no such thing as climate change.

[261] And the other side will find one piece of it, and they'll latch onto that.

[262] And then, okay.

[263] And like I said, I'm a big believer that somewhere in the middle is where most of the truth sits.

[264] I'm sure.

[265] I mean, there's definitely polar bear problems higher north, right, in the ice caps.

[266] And, I mean, I've seen some issues where they're talking about polar bears starving up there and the lack of ice contributing to starvation deaths.

[267] Yeah.

[268] But it's regardless, I'm looking forward to Alaska.

[269] I think it's regardless of what the hell happens to the polar bears, I'm going to have a good trip.

[270] But I think it's a beautiful state.

[271] People should get up there if they haven't been up there.

[272] It's amazing.

[273] Yeah.

[274] It's one of the rare places that you could go to.

[275] in America that is like real wilderness.

[276] Yeah.

[277] That is a really wild place.

[278] And you can get, yeah, exactly.

[279] And it doesn't take, it doesn't take much to get up there.

[280] I don't mean money.

[281] I just mean, it doesn't, it's not the effort that people I think sometimes imagine it to be.

[282] And yeah, so it's a great trip.

[283] Kids are really looking forward to it.

[284] It's weird that it's the United States.

[285] Isn't it?

[286] When you look at the map, you're like, hey.

[287] You think about how it was put together.

[288] That's a fascinating story.

[289] But what that's worth, people, that's another good, interesting read is how.

[290] how we cobbled this country together.

[291] And some of it was, you know, just incredible genius on the part of some folks.

[292] Some of it was serendipity.

[293] Some of it was, you know, short -sighted vision on the part of the Russians or the, you know, the French or whatever.

[294] Oh, they fucked up with Alaska.

[295] Yeah.

[296] The Russians fucked up.

[297] Yeah.

[298] What did they give that to us for like 50 bucks?

[299] Yeah.

[300] It wasn't much money.

[301] It wasn't much.

[302] No. No. So we got it.

[303] I guess we got our money's worth out of that by now.

[304] Yeah.

[305] But anyway, so, yeah, we'd do that.

[306] And I planned this trip.

[307] of course their school starts tomorrow they're all three of them are in elementary school so their school starts tomorrow and uh and i gave my kid the option i said do you want to you know he starts in fifth grade i said do you do you want to stay here so you don't miss the first few days at school and he looked at me like what he crazy exactly he said you're an idiot i mean that's how well it's what his eyes said he didn't say that too how old is he he's just turned 10 he's going to learn more in the woods absolutely absolutely for a couple of days yeah have a good time have a wonderful experience And the grizzlies are out, because, of course, the grizzlies are out looking for the salmon.

[308] I mean, and it's just fantastic.

[309] They say, you know, they say that's the safest time to be around them.

[310] It's when there's salmon out.

[311] Yeah, they're just fat and happy.

[312] They're standing there.

[313] They don't bother you.

[314] Yeah.

[315] And so, you know, now if something happens to my 10 -year -old, then my wife said it's going to be my fault.

[316] It's on my head.

[317] And I can't blame her.

[318] That would be true.

[319] Do you pack when you're out there?

[320] You pack in a sidearm?

[321] No, no, we don't because we're, when we go up there and we're going up with about a dozen other guys.

[322] And they do what the lodge does.

[323] We stay in a small little sort of.

[324] You know, I say lodge.

[325] It's a wonderful place, family owned.

[326] It's not a fancy place at all.

[327] But it's a great little spot.

[328] And they do a great job.

[329] The guides are fantastic.

[330] So we'll have a good time.

[331] But yeah, we don't take anything with us.

[332] I mean, it's just.

[333] Yeah, no, that makes sense.

[334] As long as the people up there, I mean, you probably won't need anything as long as the bears have fish.

[335] Yeah, yeah.

[336] They really have no, there's an area that we've shown this video before of this enormous grizzly that gets right next to this guy who's sitting there photographing these bears eating fish out of the river.

[337] And the bear literally couldn't give a fuck about him, just looks at them and just sort of wanders off.

[338] And there's actually a statistic that no one has ever died in this area.

[339] No person has ever been attacked or killed in this one area just because it's just overrun with salmon.

[340] They're so preoccupied this time of year.

[341] But it's also, you know, you talk about how things change around the planet and the salmon runs are, you know, really being impacted right now by a variety of reasons.

[342] You know, it's not just one thing.

[343] But so, anyway, but that'll be good.

[344] And I know that everybody was really keen to hear about my upcoming trip.

[345] So there you go.

[346] Well, you know, I mean, it is interesting to hear people's take on the climate issue because there's hard left and hard right.

[347] Hard right is it's a cycle.

[348] It's always happened this way and you're impeding business.

[349] Hard left is we're all going to die And then Miami's going to drown I mean And Al Gore had already predicted in that movie An inconvenient truth that we were going to be covered in water In 2014, right?

[350] Wasn't it?

[351] 2014 they were predicting that the ocean levels were going to rise The point where we're going to have to start evacuating Some of the coastal cities That's right.

[352] He missed that one just by a little bit.

[353] A little bit.

[354] Yeah, but he came out with another movie 12 people saw that.

[355] More inconvenient truth.

[356] And nobody's Nobody has watched it, I don't think.

[357] Did you see Bill Nye when he was on Tucker Carlson show?

[358] No. It was very interesting.

[359] It was very interesting.

[360] Because Bill Nye, who's not really a scientist.

[361] No. What is he?

[362] He's an engineer.

[363] He's an engineer.

[364] You know, he's still disciplined -based.

[365] You have to be smart.

[366] But he calls himself Bill Nye, the science guy.

[367] He's, by the way, he has an undergrad degree.

[368] So I don't even have a Ph .D. Hey, I got one of those.

[369] And they were talking about, climate change.

[370] And Tucker Carlson said, I'm willing to absolutely believe that people have an impact on climate change.

[371] He goes, but can you tell me how much?

[372] And then Bill Nye kind of got flustered and, you know, he got like a little confrontational, a little defensive.

[373] It's really kind of interesting because Tucker kept pestering on.

[374] We're talking about science.

[375] So I would like you to tell me how much of an impact have people had.

[376] What are the numbers?

[377] Is it a narrow range?

[378] Can you give me a narrow range?

[379] He's that nothing.

[380] It's just, what he does is he publicizes science for his own personal benefit.

[381] Right.

[382] He has that terrible show on Netflix.

[383] Bill Nye saves the world.

[384] Yeah.

[385] Bitch, you're not saving shit, okay?

[386] You can't call your show Bill Nye saves the fucking world.

[387] You're not saving the world with this crazy goddamn song about gender.

[388] And he has, oh, my God.

[389] Do you see that thing?

[390] That was stunning.

[391] What in the, who the fuck greenlit that?

[392] Like, I love Netflix, but hey, a little quality control is not a bad thing.

[393] Let's have somebody on set to go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what in the fuck is this?

[394] Like a censor, like in that movie Good Morning Vietnam, you know, somebody that sits there and reads through his material before he does it.

[395] No, I saw that, you know, clearly they don't have anybody who has to approve his content.

[396] But that just shows you where his mind's at, that he's willing to say yes to that.

[397] That's someone who wants to acquiesce with no uncertain terms to the left.

[398] Like he just wants every Meanwhile he had a film out A movie or a television show out Years ago where he was describing Gender and he was basically saying there's two genders And it's about X and Y chromosome I mean which is what everybody's been told in science and biology class Then he has this show just a few years later Where now the tide has turned politically Where this is such a weird subject about gender And sexual identity and gender identity And so he's got these songs about you know like what that lady singing that song like hey this is fucking terrible like all you're doing it's just like the same thing as president trump staring at the sun yeah all you're doing is setting yourself up for ruthless criticism that's going to diminish any potential legitimate point that you actually have but i will say this i don't think he really got pilloried for it right i mean nobody really um i mean there was some there was some mine yeah i think some people made fun of them but i think bill nine for the most part he knows it that's a very comfortable place for him to do, or for a lot of people.

[399] If they say, look, I just want to get the adulation of the left, of the far left, then fine.

[400] I mean, that's what you want to do, do it.

[401] But you see people that kind of shift their position and are happy to be there because they know they're going to be coddled.

[402] So I get why he does it because it's a base of, it's an audience that he knows is going to stick with him as long as he says the right things.

[403] And apparently he doesn't really give a shit about science so he's happy to say anything well i think he does give a shit about science but i think he gives you shit more about people liking him and fitting in with this crowd of people there's a weird thing that's going on in science and it's there's nothing like science is fantastic it's critical for our civilization i'm not a science criticizer but there's a weird thing about people that are a part of science where their own egos and their own need for positive affirmation sort of supersede any critical thinking so there's certain subjects that cannot be discussed there's certain things that like they're they're almost like it's almost like science religion you know so there's certain subjects that are aren't even open to scrutiny well I think that's right I think part of it is is is also we have gotten to a point where you can't and I don't know how you you walk it back but you you can't have conflicting ideas in the same statement or the same sentence and an idea things conflict all the time right And you can have truths that collide with each other and don't necessarily make sense.

[404] But it seems as if now everything has to be in absolutes and whether it's climate change.

[405] So you can't say, you know, if you just have this middle of the road discussion where you say, well, look, of course, you know, humans, I'm sure have some impact.

[406] I don't know what that is.

[407] And then, you know, this is a problem.

[408] And we do have to do our part.

[409] We do have to work to try to be the best we can be.

[410] but that's not good enough.

[411] You've got to be a sort of totalitarian about the whole issue.

[412] And it's not just that.

[413] It's any argument, it just seems as if, and it's not just the millennials, I'm not one to beat on, you know, the young kids or the generation of whatever we want to call them nowadays because I know a lot of good kids that are out there that are working hard or they're in the military, and it's a fantastic, you know, a group of folks.

[414] So I think we're just fine in that regard, but there does seem to be something about each success, of generation and we've gotten now to a point where people have a hard time processing this dissenting opinion idea and that starts to shut down debate and it starts to shut down the idea that you can have a discussion about science where you have you know these conflicting ideas and how do you how do you resolve them that used to be the whole concept about science is that test theories and come up with what works and anyway I think it's because we're attaching egos and personalities and virtue signaling to to the actual hard data itself But here's the thing that we should all be concerned with, pollution.

[415] We should all be concerned with human waste.

[416] We should all be concerned with the damage that we're doing to our water, the damage that we're doing to the environment.

[417] There's a host of different things that human beings are involved in that are creating irreparable harm to the environment.

[418] We should absolutely be concerned with that.

[419] But what's weird is that you hardly ever hear about that.

[420] You hardly ever hear about doing something to curb the plastic in the ocean, doing something to eliminate.

[421] some of the sewage waste that goes into the ocean doing the others a ton of different things that we're doing that are huge issues but instead you hear about climate change and it becomes this ideological left versus right battle which is it's just very weird to me and I understand that climate change is a real issue and if the ocean water continues to rise coastal cities really are fucked and if the temperature does rise we really might have to migrate to more you know better climates, but there's a lot of other shit going on that seems to get ignored during this process.

[422] Well, interestingly, I mean, I'm old enough to remember when plastics, that was an issue, right?

[423] Plastic bags or, you know, keeping the oceans clean or, you know, don't be a little bug.

[424] I mean, it was more of a, it was things that you could accomplish, right?

[425] It was things that you could do, the community could do.

[426] So you would have these community drives to pick up trash or to not use plastic bags or to whatever it is and it was stuff that you could do and you could see some results and you felt good about it and you know who knows maybe we've gone past that now and so now that's not good enough because you know now we've got to save the planet well you save the planet these little steps at a time right if every every community says well i you know i'm sorry i can't do anything about the polar bear so fuck it i'm just going to worry about myself but if you if you bring it back down to those little things, like you would, you know, maybe implying, then I think we're better off, right?

[427] And eventually you do make a difference.

[428] But if all you do is talk about climate change and save the planet, people just get overwhelmed.

[429] It's like a lot of other things in life, and you just think, fuck it, I'm just going to focus on other shit.

[430] But it's just so strange that climate change has become this weird ideological debate between the left and the right.

[431] And when it comes to plastic, there's a solution that's been around for years for plastic.

[432] There's biodegradable hemp plastic.

[433] It's existed for a long time.

[434] If they just legalize hemp farming nationwide federally, let people grow hemp and mass quantities, you could turn that into plastic.

[435] You would never have to worry about water bottles again.

[436] You would never have to worry about garbage bags.

[437] You would never have to worry about anything because this all be plant -based plastic, which is real, biodegradable.

[438] You put it in the ground, it becomes dirt.

[439] There's nothing wrong with it.

[440] So what's the holdup?

[441] Well, federally, hemp has been illegal since the 1930s.

[442] That's what it is.

[443] I mean, and all that goes back to William Randolph Hearst, conning people into making it illegal, so he didn't have to switch over his paper mills from wood.

[444] That's a son of a bitch.

[445] That's son of a bitch.

[446] Yeah.

[447] Hurst.

[448] That's right.

[449] I forgot.

[450] You know, he's a guy who did that.

[451] Yeah.

[452] Wow.

[453] It's amazing.

[454] Him and Harry Anslinger and, you know, what they did is they organized an actual campaign against hemp as a commodity by demonizing this thing that they called marijuana, which didn't even, it wasn't.

[455] even the name of cannabis at the time that marijuana was a name for a wild Mexican tobacco they applied that name to cannabis to say that there's this new drug that's making Mexicans and blacks rape white women and they you know he was a piece of shit that William Randolph Hearst yeah and he printed all these articles in his papers and they made Reefer Madness and all that stuff all those movies that they made back in the day have you ever seen Reefer Madness oh it's wonderful it's great isn't a good movie makes me want to get hard yeah and then and then of course they made Citizen Kane and that turned Hearst into a household name and, you know, a relatively benign character.

[456] Yeah, Orson Wells.

[457] I wonder what he did to Orson Wells.

[458] He must have fucked with him a little bit, don't you think?

[459] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[460] When did that movie come out?

[461] Citizen Kane came out in.

[462] Long time.

[463] Yeah, people are like, why are they talking about it?

[464] I want to say it was the 50s.

[465] Oh, it was earlier than that, I think.

[466] Was it?

[467] 1941.

[468] RKO, pictures.

[469] It's a great movie.

[470] Still to this day, it's a great movie.

[471] I watched it on an airplane.

[472] I couldn't believe it.

[473] I was on an airplane not too long ago, and I was looking through the movies saying, am I going to watch anything or am I going to, I don't know, did not.

[474] And Susan Kane was on, which was a strange.

[475] It was right there in the middle of all these typical Marvel and DC comics movies that you would expect on a plane.

[476] That's odd.

[477] So I started watching it, and the dude next to me in the seat next to me kind of starts, you can tell when someone's watching your screen.

[478] Right.

[479] Looking over there.

[480] Finally, he tapped me on the show and he says, what are you watching?

[481] And he was, you know He was probably a couple years younger to me But not much And I said I'm watching Citizen Kane You never heard of it You never heard of it Which I guess no big deal, fine But you know Jerry Lewis died And people are probably saying who's that He's like probably one of those dudes At the gym that talks too much Yeah He's one of those guys that comes up to you While you're benching Hey boy, let me ask you a question Am I doing this right?

[482] Or even worse You should drop your shoulder a little bit When you do that Oh, those fucking guys Because what you'll do is you'll stress that and then that'll be better for you and you'll okay thank you i love those guys they use big words try to convince you they know what they're talking about so speaking of uh citizen cain norson wells and conspiracies last night i rewatched the episode of harolda rivares good night america when they introduced uh the zepruder because you know dick gregory just died yeah yeah they introduced this a pruder film to the american public 13 years or 12 years 12 years after uh Kennedy's assassination, and then I went and read that paper, the articles that was printed a couple of weeks ago that you even tweeted about it, about the CIA questioning the official story of the JFK assassination.

[483] Yeah, that was interesting, wasn't it?

[484] As a CIA guy, what do you think about that?

[485] Well, first of all, that's a prudor film.

[486] That's the most watched piece of film in history of film, which is really interesting.

[487] But, yeah, it was interesting that the, you know, as typical with a lot.

[488] lot of these things.

[489] The headline doesn't necessarily actually match once you get into the body of the story.

[490] But the idea being that the agency had some concerns over the idea that perhaps Cuba was behind the assassination or the Russians to some degree or working more likely in a combination of the two.

[491] Look, I think, you know, do I think that he could have taken that shot?

[492] Yeah.

[493] It was not, yeah, it was not, I said, I've been up in that book depository from that point of an advantage point.

[494] We did a story on the whole issue, the conspiracy theory, and what could have happened.

[495] And we tried to find some new witnesses.

[496] And, you know, could he have made that shot?

[497] Yeah, that was a, it was a straightforward, you know, effort was someone who had some training.

[498] He was, you know, he wasn't the world's best shot, but he had sufficient training to make that shot.

[499] Now, that's separate from, you know, his motivations and any potential support that he may have gotten.

[500] during the course of that.

[501] And, you know, I think that he, in his mind, he genuinely felt that this was going to get him into the revolution, right?

[502] That this was going to, he had a very unhappy experience in Russia when he was over there living, came back, saw what was happening in Cuba, desperately wanted to be part of that, took an unexplained trip down to Mexico, which could well have been in an effort to find somebody who could support his, his desire to take some sort of action, whether he had formed in his mind, that's what he was going to do at the time or not.

[503] So, you know, is there still a possibility that the Cubans, which would, the intel service there would have had to file on him?

[504] I mean, he was a very, very well -known quantity, obviously, by that time for the Russians.

[505] The Russians were solely responsible for training up the Cuban Intel service.

[506] So there's a massive file on him, and they knew, you know, who they were dealing with.

[507] They knew his weaknesses.

[508] They knew his motivations.

[509] They knew what to do in terms of trying to get leverageable, you know, information on him.

[510] So I think that the jury's still out.

[511] And I'm not a conspiracy guy, but I think there's enough there that says, you know, yes, it's kind of like what we're talking about climate change.

[512] I believe this, but this also could be true.

[513] So I think he could have taken that shot, for sure, and succeeded.

[514] I think it's also possible that he may have had the encouragement of, in particular, the Cuban intel service, through the Russians.

[515] Because at that time, in particular, they didn't do anything.

[516] The Cubans didn't do anything without the Russians support, blessings, and direction.

[517] So that is entirely possible.

[518] Do I think that there were a variety of other things at play, you know, was, did they help him get the weapon?

[519] Did they, I mean, you know, was there actual logistical support in there?

[520] I don't think so, but, you know, maybe.

[521] It's a fascinating thing.

[522] And, you know, again, nobody wants to think that something that impactful could have been just one guy who, you know, had a dream about being a hero of the revolution.

[523] It's such an awful thing to think about.

[524] You want something bigger.

[525] You want something more behind it.

[526] And it's, it's, I will say the one thing that I think there was something else to was the, MLK issue of Martin Luther King assassination.

[527] Well, let's get to that for sure.

[528] But here's the thing about the Lee Harvey Oswald assassination.

[529] You know, a lot of people think that there was people in the grassy knoll and that they shot at the president and there was more than one shooter.

[530] That's possible, too.

[531] And here's the other problem with people saying that Oswald could have never made that shot.

[532] Of course he could have.

[533] A hundred percent he could have.

[534] Is it likely?

[535] Listen, people throw three -point shots that have no fucking business on a basketball court and they hit nothing but net.

[536] It happens all the time.

[537] Yeah.

[538] It doesn't mean it's not likely that a guy could get off three shots that quick, but it is possible.

[539] Right.

[540] There was more time in there than they originally thought.

[541] There's some misinformation out there about how condensed that time frame was.

[542] And now after they've, you know, research just seemed to a fairly well.

[543] That time frame extended a little bit.

[544] But he had, more importantly, he worked up there.

[545] So he had the opportunity to reckey that site, right?

[546] So it was like he was sitting in a blind waiting and figuring out, you know, what am I going to be doing here?

[547] And that's a tremendous advantage.

[548] And clear daylight, targets moving right in a line with you.

[549] There's no wind.

[550] Not only that, it's not that far a shot.

[551] No, it's not like everybody thinks it's like a half mile away or something like that.

[552] I mean, how far was it?

[553] It was 150 yards or something like that?

[554] Yeah, I'd have to go back and it's been a wild -out.

[555] But I've stood on that spot where the limo was and hooked up at the site.

[556] I stood up there and looked down and it's not that far.

[557] It's a total makeable shot on a deer.

[558] If you were going to shoot a deer with a rifle, you'd be like, oh, yeah, that's definitely an amount.

[559] effective range.

[560] Yeah, no...

[561] How far was it?

[562] There we go.

[563] 265 feet, 81 meters.

[564] That ain't shit.

[565] Yeah.

[566] That's a bow shot.

[567] Yeah.

[568] You could shoot an animal with a bow from 80 meters if you're really good and there's no wind.

[569] Yeah.

[570] So that's a really close shot.

[571] So the idea that he couldn't make that shot, he's a bad shot.

[572] That is so fucking stupid.

[573] He absolutely could make that shot.

[574] Anybody could make that shot from 81 meters.

[575] That's nothing.

[576] We looked at the grassy knoll issue.

[577] We looked at the, you know, what the...

[578] the train yard engineer reported seeing with a sort of a puff of smoke that he thought he saw over by the fence line and we looked and he thought yeah you could you know from that position they opened that place up and we were able to go back up there and you could see it we ran a couple of tests and fired off a few shots and that's always fun if you want to have a good time take a rifle to Dealey Plaza and fire off a few shots without the tourists knowing what the hell is happening and the Dallas police by the way were tremendous during the course of that but when did you guys do this We did this a while back for a show called America Declassified, which isn't running anymore, but it was on travel channel.

[579] Jesse Ventura did that.

[580] He went up there with a Manlinker, Carcano, same rifle.

[581] And he was like, this is an impossible shot.

[582] No one could make this shot.

[583] It can't be done.

[584] I love Jesse.

[585] I think he's awesome, but I'm like, he wants everything to be a conspiracy.

[586] Right, right, right.

[587] He's significantly on that side to the point.

[588] where, you know, that's, he's leaning always towards a conspiracy.

[589] What you want to do is you want to do, every investigation, you know, this company that I've got, we do a lot of investigations.

[590] And you've got to build, just like with a homicide case or anything else, you've got to build it on stable ground, right?

[591] Right.

[592] So you have to start from, you know, the very basics, because if you start building ideas and investigative inquiries on something that's not sturdy underneath it, you know, not based on evidence and fact, then you've got a problem.

[593] The whole thing becomes suspect and usually comes toppling down.

[594] So, you know, you've got to keep an open mind about all these things, and I think it's important.

[595] Right now, people are going like, well, I'm sure that agency, the CIA was involved.

[596] So I'm a terrible source of information.

[597] I've heard that before.

[598] So you can't talk credibly about this because, you know, the CIA was involved.

[599] But here's the thing, if the CIA was involved, it's not you.

[600] You weren't there in 1962?

[601] Last time I checked, I was not there in 1962.

[602] And also, I will tell you this much.

[603] Or is it 63?

[604] It was 63.

[605] If the agency had been involved, this is the honest of God's truth, there's no way that secret is still kept.

[606] People can't keep their yapshot.

[607] They can't.

[608] And secrets have a way of coming out, and certainly a lot quicker now than they used to.

[609] Now, but the secrets then, I mean, we're talking about so long ago.

[610] How much, I mean, we're talking about more than 50 years ago.

[611] It's like, you know, it's like the D .B. Cooper issue.

[612] My biggest reason for believing TB Cooper died and his shoot is hanging up a tree, and that's a vast wilderness up there, is that people just, they can't help themselves.

[613] At some point, people talk, or somebody talks, somebody associated with, or someone nearby, or somebody involved, or somebody on their deathbed, or somebody says something they shouldn't have.

[614] It's, you know, the idea that they've maintained this sort of secret over a period of time, I find hard to believe.

[615] I'm not discounting it in time.

[616] I mean, again, you've got to leave a little space open for something that could be.

[617] He just amazing.

[618] But, you know, anyway.

[619] So that's, that was that.

[620] But, yeah, I agree.

[621] That shot was not a tough shot.

[622] Eighty -one meters ain't shit.

[623] That's nothing.

[624] And particularly in those conditions.

[625] And I will say, those conditions were ideal, unfortunately, for that event.

[626] But people are, like, there's a video of me shooting a fucking hard drive at 100 yards, a hard drive.

[627] You must have hated that hard drive.

[628] On the edge.

[629] Oh, we were just getting rid of some hard drives.

[630] I thought it would be fun to take it to the rifle range.

[631] So I take it to the rifle And obviously we're dealing with modern rifles Are probably more accurate But I'm shooting something That's basically two inches high Laying it down on the ground At 100 yards and blowing it to smithereens That's how accurate a rifle is at 100 yards You tell me he couldn't get a headshot at 81 meters?

[632] That's crazy Again, no wind Of course he could Good light Did he though?

[633] Did he?

[634] That's right And also the other question is We have some pretty good indication as to what he was thinking and what is obviously what his motivations were and that's important well he definitely was in with the russians right definitely was involved in a lot of weird shit with communism who knows what his entire full background was because there was a lot of covert shit going on and did he did he express a desire to do something like this to the russians at some point and they you know thought okay well here's an interesting opportunity right yeah they would have they would have sparked on that and they would have thought about they you know would they play on Woods intended, but would they have pulled the trigger on an operation trying to push him into doing an act like this?

[635] No, it's indirectly through the Cubans, exactly.

[636] Especially if they thought like, this crazy fuck might go ahead and do this for us.

[637] And this is after the Bay of Pigs.

[638] People have to realize there was a lot of people pissed off in Kennedy.

[639] We lost a lot of people.

[640] Cruz Chb had everybody.

[641] Cruz Cheneff hated Kennedy.

[642] And so...

[643] Well, that infamous video where he's banging his shoe down on the table, we will bury you.

[644] Yeah, no, it was...

[645] The environment was right for them.

[646] And again, the Russians It shouldn't be any surprise to anybody when you talk about what they did during this election.

[647] I mean, they've been doing this forever.

[648] You go back to 1940s, and the Russians were, you know, spending a lot of time, effort and money here in the States trying to keep us out of the war back before Hitler invaded Russia and when they were allied with the Nazis still.

[649] So they spent a lot of time.

[650] They set up, you know, independent association, supposedly.

[651] They paid off a lot of unions and union members.

[652] You know, journalists.

[653] I mean, they were doing everything they could to create this or to strengthen the idea of isolationism just to keep us out.

[654] They've been doing this for as long as they've been around.

[655] Right.

[656] So anybody who says, I can't, you know, it's shocking.

[657] The Russians would be engaged in this.

[658] It's ridiculous.

[659] They've always been engaged.

[660] And we, by the way, have been engaged doing that with them.

[661] What?

[662] That's what I hear.

[663] I find.

[664] I've heard that online.

[665] I find that.

[666] Alex Jones is hard to believe.

[667] You know, the thing that bothers me the most about the Kennedy assassination is the universal support for the magic bullet theory.

[668] I think that fucking bullet is ridiculous.

[669] I've shot things.

[670] I've shot a lot of things.

[671] I know what happens to bullets.

[672] Everybody that I know that's a marksman, everybody knows.

[673] know that's a hunter, they see a bullet that is hit bone.

[674] It fucking never looks like that.

[675] When a bullet goes through two people and comes out looking like you shot it into a pool of water, that's what it looks like.

[676] I don't buy that at all.

[677] And the convenience of finding it on Connolly's gurney when they roll him into the hospital, oh, look, guys, we found the bullet.

[678] And it's perfect.

[679] I don't buy that for a fucking second.

[680] And the problem is there's more metal fragments in Connolly's body than we're missing from the bullet itself.

[681] I think that bullet itself Look at that bullet Get the fuck out of here That thing didn't hit shit No, it's exactly right I've argued with this with people That have never shot guns And they go actually proven That's a fatt that fuck that broke bones When a bullet breaks bones they get fucked Well it's a jacketed bullet When a jacketed bullet Breaks bones it gets fucked You're talking about something that's going I mean how fast is a bullet from that rifle go It's got to be That would be an interesting thing to pull up But I would imagine And it's in the thousands of heat per second.

[682] It's got to be.

[683] When it hits bone, it's going to blow all over the fucking place.

[684] There's always distortion, even if you're, you know, I mean, so I don't buy that bullet.

[685] When you have a conversation about this and it is somebody who has no shooting experience or, you know, it's just, you think, all right, that's fine.

[686] I understand why you're fascinated by it, but when you do your research, you know, it's like with news.

[687] Read everything, right?

[688] Read the Wall Street Journal, read the New York Times, read the Financial Times, read the economists.

[689] But read everything before you form your opinion, right?

[690] And everybody's so siloed nowadays, and you get the same thing with conspiracy theories.

[691] I absolutely believe this, and I'm going to discount everything else that's out there.

[692] Yeah.

[693] Or just not pay any attention to it.

[694] Yeah.

[695] It's hard to say.

[696] And here's another thing, the magic bullet path.

[697] People are like, well, how is that possible?

[698] Well, let me tell you something.

[699] That's the most believable thing about the magic bullet theory is the path of the bullet.

[700] Because bullets do wacky shit when they hit bones.

[701] And you can't predict it at all.

[702] I know a guy who in Iraq, they shot a guy in the head from the front, and it went out his eyeball.

[703] The bullet came out of his eyeball back forward.

[704] It ricocheted inside of his skull and came out his eye.

[705] Yeah.

[706] I mean, again, you're right.

[707] You can't predict it.

[708] They'll try to model these things and figure out of it.

[709] But, you know, there's an unknown there.

[710] And so, yeah, I agree.

[711] I mean, I think that, again, it's one of those things where it's never going to get resolved.

[712] And it's going to continue to live on because, A, it was such an important event in the history of the country.

[713] And B, I keep coming back to that same thing.

[714] People don't want to believe that really awful shit can happen sometimes in a very simple, straightforward way.

[715] And so it's much easier to think it was a broad -based conspiracy.

[716] There were lots of moving parts.

[717] Sometimes bad shit happens, and it's just as simple as it seems.

[718] That is possible.

[719] Conversely, people don't like to believe in conspiracies, especially when it's involved.

[720] in an assassination of a president.

[721] You know, the reason why they came up with the whole magic bullet theory in the first place is pretty shady.

[722] In fact, the reason why they did is because the guy got hit by a ricochet underneath the overpass.

[723] And they blamed that bullet on one of the shots from Lee Harvey Oswald in the book depository.

[724] So they said, well, all right.

[725] So now we have less bullets that could have hit Kennedy.

[726] We have all these wounds, and we have to tribute a series of wounds to one bullet.

[727] Right, right.

[728] So that was the thought process.

[729] behind it.

[730] But the Zapruder film was the one that got people weirded out by it.

[731] But I'll tell you about, man, I've watched that film a bunch of times.

[732] And one of the things that don't jive is if he did get hit from the front, you know, his head goes back to the left, why is the blood spray out forward?

[733] See, it's weird the way the impact of the blood is.

[734] It's like the blood sprays forward and then his head goes back into the left.

[735] It could have possibly been that he was hit from the front and the back at the same time.

[736] That's entirely possible.

[737] I mean, that is, a tactic you would do, right?

[738] You would roll someone into an area where they would be in a crossfire and they would get shot from both sides.

[739] Well, if they came in, if the grassy Knoa was, in fact, a second side for a shooter, then by the time it hits that corner and starts its path just before the shots were fired from the book depository in Oswald, if you're going with that, if you had another shooter up on the grass, you know, you're basically looking right at the front of the vehicle.

[740] And because of the way that it's positioned and the knolls kind of turned and then it's just that it's just that there's not a lot of concealment up there.

[741] Right.

[742] And they had the fence, the picket fence.

[743] It's not the original one that's there anymore, but it's basically in line with it.

[744] And there's plenty of pictures of the previous fence that was up there at the time.

[745] And you had that, you did have the train yard engineer report sometime after the fact that he saw a puff of smoke, that he wasn't quite sure what that was all about, and he'd seen a couple of people back there.

[746] So that, you know, that was, that's an interesting thread to pull on, right?

[747] And I think that that, it's been, you know, it's been researched ad nauseum.

[748] It doesn't mean it you couldn't still find something.

[749] It also doesn't mean anybody's going to really find a conclusion after the fact.

[750] Right.

[751] especially today yeah no and that's right and you know it's like everything else as time marches on you lose you know you lose witnesses you know people that were there on site and then even witnesses when someone gets shot especially when the president gets shot not credible you'll have five different stories from five different people and gunshots heard from the moon nobody knows what the fuck's happened just from a robbery just you know a street crime yeah a car accident you say you say what did you see if you separate people out you're right you get five different versions from five different people.

[752] Yeah.

[753] And, you know, so, yeah, I wasn't, I witness accounts tend not to be particularly credible.

[754] And you've got to, you know, you've got to take them and then you've got to, you know, match it up with other information you can, you can pull together forensically.

[755] But it's, it is fascinating.

[756] I, you know, who knows where it's going to, D .B. Cooper's back in the news a little bit.

[757] Is it really?

[758] Yeah, yeah.

[759] They've, initially it was because the Bureau was saying, okay, we're closed in this case.

[760] And then there's some talk now with the past day and a half, two days that they might have found something up in the wilderness that might be a piece of the chute that he had and i know they haven't they haven't bottomed that one out yet d b cooper more new evidence of parachute believed found but how they know that's his parachute yeah the thing about i mean it could be but the thing about something that's that long ago we have to realize how many people die in the woods every year oh yeah yeah and when you go when you come out the back of that plane um good luck yeah and and and also He was in a suit.

[761] He was wearing loafers.

[762] He lost his shoes.

[763] So he hits those, that wilderness.

[764] He hits those trees, and it was cold that night, and it was wet, and it's going to be a manhunt on in the morning.

[765] No, he had his, he had his parachute, and he had the bag with the money.

[766] They'd given him money.

[767] That's it?

[768] So, and that was it.

[769] And so.

[770] No wilderness gear at all?

[771] No. Well, not that they know of.

[772] I mean, who knows, maybe underneath his business suit.

[773] He was wearing something, but I don't think so.

[774] And what was the time of the year?

[775] It was late in the year.

[776] I think I'll have to go back and check again, but I think it was November.

[777] And what part of the country?

[778] Up in the wilderness up in Washington State.

[779] Oh, he's dead.

[780] Yeah.

[781] Before Thanksgiving?

[782] Before Thanksgiving?

[783] Yeah, that guy's dead.

[784] I mean, it's just, yeah.

[785] You've got to make it.

[786] You've got to make your way out of there.

[787] Yeah.

[788] It's nighttime, and you know, and, you know, again, there's going to be a manhunt starting immediately.

[789] No. That Stroud wouldn't survive up there.

[790] But there's been all sorts of theories.

[791] Oh, he jumped out and then some people met him.

[792] Maybe.

[793] Yeah, exactly.

[794] Good luck finding him.

[795] Right.

[796] How are you going to be able to be?

[797] No, that's so silly.

[798] People jumping out of an airplane with no GPS, the odds of finding that guy?

[799] He doesn't have a flare?

[800] Yeah.

[801] Like, what does he have?

[802] How are you going to locate him?

[803] Yeah.

[804] You can just find him in the woods?

[805] That's why I think this.

[806] And, you know, there was some talk, well, you know, because some of his money was found, you know, after the fact, stacked in a little part of the river.

[807] that seemed unusual, right?

[808] It seemed like it would have had to make a pretty amazing journey from the wilderness down through the stream system out to the river and then be found on this sandbar and it was all stacked one on top of the other.

[809] But it had the serial numbers.

[810] And so there was some thought that, you know, how did that get there?

[811] Did it naturally just float down there and end up on this sandbar and covered in sand and eventually was found by some kid that was on a picnic?

[812] Whoa.

[813] You know, I wonder if you spent that money slowly.

[814] How long would it take before you get busted?

[815] Yeah, it was $200 ,000 back in the day.

[816] Just a little bit here and there, you know, buy a bicycle, seems good, buy a TV, no one's saying nothing.

[817] Buy a bicycle.

[818] I mean, he's a little kid, you know.

[819] Pedal my way to California where the weather's nicer.

[820] Parents come in his room, he's got a 50 -inch TV.

[821] What the fuck's going on here?

[822] You don't even have a job, you little punk.

[823] DB, what the hell are you doing?

[824] Where did you get that transistor radio?

[825] Well, if it's a kid who found it, I'm sure.

[826] Oh, I see what you say.

[827] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[828] Yeah.

[829] No, he reported it.

[830] The kid was with his family and he reported finding it immediately.

[831] The Bureau went out there and dug up the entire area in a fairly large effort trying to figure out, was there more money there.

[832] How did they get there?

[833] I'll switch to the test.

[834] I think if they found his money, he's dead.

[835] It's not going to jump out of a parachute and then leave the money behind.

[836] Well, there was some thought that maybe he was doing it as a ploy, right, to kind of distract and think, okay, he's dead because the money's there.

[837] Right.

[838] Right.

[839] But again, it falls into the category of, you know, it's never going to be resolved, I don't think, and it's a fascinating story.

[840] It's America's only unsolved hijacking.

[841] Am I right about that?

[842] I think America's only unsolved hijacking.

[843] Was it all the money?

[844] Did they find all of it?

[845] No, it was just a small amount.

[846] It was not, it was not a large amount.

[847] So he did not.

[848] If he planted it there, he was smart enough not to put it all there.

[849] Yeah, that's a weird story.

[850] That D .B. Cooper one's a weird one, because a lot of people, like, they tend to look at him like some sort of a folk hero.

[851] There was a connection.

[852] with him that they were they were thinking he was this guy who had shot i want to say shot family members and murdered family members and then went out and did that crime there was some suspect that was on the loose from some sort of a homicide that they connected to the d b cooper case and they thought that somehow there was a potential that they were related that it was the same guy yeah he loses some of his charm if that's the case yeah it'd be just a guy that's you know thinking i'm going to hijack a plan for some cash and where do you get the money how the where'd the cash come from they brought it on the plane and they landed and then they gave them the yeah they got the crew with passengers and the most of the crew off of there and then everybody was in the cockpit with the door closed when the in the old days in the back door would open up you know with steps and he went out the back door they had a backdoor indicator which is how they kind of sensed about where he would have gone out and uh anyway i sound like a d b cooper so how high was he up there when he jumped um again i have to go through my nose but like a regular commercial flight no no no no no they dropped down to i want to say about 10 ,000 feet i can't remember still pretty fucking hot but they're not really sure because the door came down he could have been in there for any period of time and he had instructed them to drop down i forget again what altitude he was at but you know it's amazing um that these things continue to go on and we love mysteries we love mysteries and conspiracies and uh which is why the The new Trump administration is so interesting.

[853] Well, he loves conspiracies, doesn't he?

[854] He believes a bunch of crazy ones.

[855] Like he was just retweeting that one about, what was the general that they attributed to?

[856] Yeah, perishing.

[857] Yeah, dipping the pigs, the bullets in pig's blood.

[858] Yeah, and there was never an attack, Islamic attack, at 35 years.

[859] That's not even a true story.

[860] No. But again, who, why?

[861] Why are you doing this?

[862] Who's telling him that?

[863] Just stop.

[864] Yeah, there's no, there's no, look, I didn't vote for him.

[865] info for her i i just thought we could have done better in a country this size right for i'll tell you one thing he's doing he's fucking it up for future idiots future idiots oh they're doomed i don't know i would not underestimate our ability to hire or somebody worse do you think they're never going to be a someone like maybe they'll be like a new version of him like someone like him but they dial it back a little bit yeah yeah maybe so i just think people always say well this will be a course correction and we're going to go back to having really responded and I'm thinking what he this is America don't don't don't imagine that it could actually get better in that regard we could be even more dysfunctional from a political point of view but well what's weird is I was watching this interview today where this guy this fucking pencil neck dork was supporting antifa violence and saying that the only way to fight against fascism is violence and I was like oh Jesus and then there was this other guy next to him who was saying no that's not true the way you fight it is with the peaceful protest like just happened in Boston like that's the best way to handle it where there was I want to say there was more than a hundred thousand people in Boston wasn't there what how many people in Boston came out let's see if we could find that out and it was completely peaceful and the the none I think there was like 400 retards with uh KKK banners yeah it's a small small yeah group right of of assholes and and you think okay but here's the thing this is where this is where you know president Trump is just such a you know he's a great case study at some point I'm sure well I'm sure people are already you know writing up their grant proposals to do a study on on his psychology but you know you look at um you look at the first amendment and you think if you like the first amendment then you got to be all in right it's not like you can say and that's the kind of the beauty of this country right you know you got to let the douchebags speak right right right and that's what it is it's speech but we've gotten to the point where now words some by some folks are viewed as violence.

[866] Words aren't violence.

[867] I don't think.

[868] This is just my own personal opinion.

[869] Words aren't violence.

[870] You got to let everybody speak because that's the First Amendment.

[871] You go down, you don't want to start picking and choosing.

[872] Slippery slope.

[873] Slippery slope, right?

[874] And so, you know, but we can all agree that there's no space for them.

[875] They're assholes, but there's also no space for violent, you know, counter -demonstration.

[876] There is space for protesting it because it's.

[877] they're absolutely wrong, right?

[878] I mean, that's, that's, again, this idea that you, you should be able to argue both, right?

[879] No, you can't respond with violence, and yes, you guys, you shouldn't, you know, you shouldn't be here.

[880] You know, if you're going to hold those views, it's abhorrent, you are protected by the First Amendment.

[881] And so that's fine.

[882] It doesn't mean we have to, you know, like it or in any way you condone it.

[883] But you got to know, okay, that those sort of fringe ideas are going to exist.

[884] And I agree, the best way to resolve it is peaceful demonstrations, massive peaceful demonstrations to show, you know, sort of the weight of where the good thoughts are.

[885] Yes.

[886] And then political process, right?

[887] Ensure that, you know, work through the political system as dysfunctional as it may be.

[888] But anyway.

[889] Just encouraging people to violently attack people that have differing ideas than them that aren't being violent is never the answer.

[890] No, no, it's just not the way to do it.

[891] And by the way, that's a fascist approach, too.

[892] You're right, you're right.

[893] Anti -fash, it takes a fascist approach.

[894] Yeah, I mean, literally, you're enforcing your ideas to the point where you're silencing others with actual violence.

[895] Which is the mark of a totalitarian state also is if you say you can't have these views.

[896] Well, yeah, of course, we can all hate those views, but again, it's the idea that what you say is violent to me. No, it's not.

[897] It's fucking speech.

[898] Here's the other thing that Trump fucked up.

[899] We called those protesters anti -violent.

[900] protesters like or anti -police protesters yeah like come on man that is not what they're they're not protesting against police there might be a few amongst them that say stupid shit about the police right but again just like with the other side where you've got I mean how many what do you what do you got 100 or 200 I didn't who would imagine 15000 counter protesters where the fuck of these Nazis hiding anyway I mean that's that's the thing you know my dad didn't didn't fly in war two you know so that somehow you could have a resurgent not that there is i think it's a small group just like it's a small group on the left right that wants a violent solution to this or you know honestly believes that you know violence against police is somehow the answer which is insane but uh again there you go truth is somewhere in that middle right yeah i mean they've got some you get rid of the fringe and you know we got to figure out a way for for the folks that are in kind of the The center.

[901] Yeah, to work together and otherwise, I mean, A, I don't think the Democrats care whether the Republicans, in fact, they're happy that shit's not getting done.

[902] But as an American, again, I didn't vote for him.

[903] I didn't vote for her.

[904] But I would like to see the government work now.

[905] Who did you vote for?

[906] You know what?

[907] I just said, fuck it.

[908] I can't.

[909] You too.

[910] I know.

[911] A lot of people did.

[912] I couldn't bring myself.

[913] I couldn't bring myself.

[914] And I hated doing that, right?

[915] Yeah.

[916] Because I. So you voted top down, right?

[917] Yeah.

[918] What they call it?

[919] Yeah.

[920] Yeah.

[921] I mean, what I did was I, you know, state elections important, you know, those sort of, and that's fine.

[922] But it, it's very painful to say I can't, you know, I can't justify doing that.

[923] And I know people, and then people lose their minds and they go, well, that means you voted for him.

[924] Or that means you.

[925] And no, it just means we should have been able to do better in a country this size.

[926] Yeah.

[927] And, you know, maybe, maybe you hold your nose and vote for the other side.

[928] I don't know.

[929] But.

[930] Well, at least she represented a conventional approach to politics.

[931] Right, that's true.

[932] Yeah, there's no doubt about that.

[933] That's super conventional.

[934] I don't enjoy a lot of aspects of her personality and what she's done with their career and the obvious deception.

[935] The Clinton Foundation, which is just riddled with problems.

[936] And now it doesn't even exist anymore, apparently.

[937] They shut it down, didn't they?

[938] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[939] I wonder what they did with the remaining balance.

[940] He probably just has a whores flying in from, from Russia.

[941] What are we going to do with this?

[942] We've got all this money.

[943] We've got to transfer it somewhere.

[944] Well, there's got to be a place to store it.

[945] Here, let me put it in my pants.

[946] He's waddened up hundreds, stuffing him in his pants.

[947] He was in America, or he is.

[948] I guess he's not dead yet, so I don't want to kill him off.

[949] But he's, you know, he's an amazing political individual.

[950] That guy could make you think that, you know, I met him once overseas.

[951] This sounds dodgy, but in the Saudi, I met him in a...

[952] at a party that does sound really sketchy and so but he had that ability right now again i wasn't a fan necessarily but i you know again you just want whichever administration's in charge you want it to work you want for the country to move forward right but so you met him and it's true what people used to say about him which is that he made you feel like he was talking right to you and nothing else was important right he wasn't one of those guys that looks over their shoulder thinking is there somebody else i should be talking to over there and and so yeah he was a charmer a friend of mine told me he was talking to him and a woman though and Clinton like essentially almost turned his back to him and like like all comes like forcing him out of the picture that he just said he's a probably i'm just going to block you right here i'm just going to pull out some of these hundreds i got stacked in my pockets in a party huh yeah partying with both Yeah, in Saudi Arabia.

[953] I like to get drunk with that, dude.

[954] You know, and I'll tell you what, I mean, George Bush, that'd be a guy I like to sit down and have a beer with.

[955] The Bush family, a good bunch.

[956] I know people have got, oh, my God, I couldn't stand his policies.

[957] But, you know, sometimes it comes down to a personal thing, and you think, yeah, you know, maybe the guy's got some, you may not like his principles, but he sticks with him, right?

[958] He looks extremely reasonable now.

[959] Yeah, exactly, right?

[960] Like, there was one time where the Supreme Court had a ruling that he didn't like, And there was a speech where he gave, and I've seen it quoted in print, and then, you know, someone showed a video of it.

[961] But he was essentially saying, well, you know, we have to uphold the decision of the court.

[962] You know, I'm not happy with it, but, you know, this is the way our system works.

[963] And then it went to Trump talking about the Supreme Court, you know, not backing his travel ban and all the different various things that he's lost in court and he just goes after people.

[964] He just like, you know, I just like the personal attacks.

[965] and there's no I mean the problem there's no discipline in the White House and I know that everybody thought well let's get something different in there let's get a businessman we don't want the politics as usual and well you got that but there is a requirement there is a need for the machine to work in a certain fashion in a sense and yes there's lots of things you can change and that's a good thing there should be some change in that government but the way that the place works in Washington but the communications there the lack of discipline I mean for Crown out of life They just put in place the new communications director at the White House, 28 years old.

[966] She's 28 years old, never done this sort of thing before, and she's the new communications director.

[967] She replaced Scaramucci after his 10 -day rain.

[968] And why did she replace him?

[969] Because she listens.

[970] She's just willing to do what Trump says.

[971] He just said, you're the guy for the job.

[972] I mean, the girl?

[973] Yeah, she says, you're the girl for, yeah, for this.

[974] And she's worked within the Trump organization, and I guess just viewed as loyal.

[975] loyal yeah that's what he needs yeah he needs loyalty above all else yeah and so so that's it but I mean there's no consistency and you see these things happen you see you know these the messaging get out and and he gets ahead of the message or they need to play catch up then and people like madison John Kelly now and Pompeo and others are trying to race to make sense of some of these things and there's this self -inflicted wound after after wound for this administration it seems like one of those homemade derby carts that they roll down a hill where you know the wheels aren't going to stay on and you kind of can't look away you're like wow how long is it going to take for this thing fucking completely falls apart start doing tumbles down the hill you're going to name they you got to come up with a name for that cart you always have to name your soapbox derby cart but um yeah i i don't i don't know where it's it's it's going to go i just think um and as a guy who's been in the intelligence community for so many years and you're you know stepping back And there was also a real issue with him being at odds with the intelligence community and diminishing the intelligence community.

[976] Yeah, that was a strange or sort of an interesting narrative.

[977] It didn't really, it got overblown to some degree.

[978] I mean, the people, in the sense that the people at the agency, you know, at the end of the day, they just take whoever's in charge they take their marching orders from.

[979] Right.

[980] It's not, and I know people don't believe it because, you know, everybody likes to feature films and everything.

[981] but it's a pretty apolitical organization.

[982] Whoever's in the administration, they're going to prioritize their national security concerns.

[983] Your tasking comes out of that, and then you just march on and do your job.

[984] And, yes, the director is an appointed position.

[985] And, you know, John Brennan was certainly much more political in the previous administration than previous directors have been.

[986] But in the operational level, you know, down at the street level, people just get on with it.

[987] You know, they're human.

[988] So, of course, you know, they may have their own personal preference, but I spent a long time.

[989] there and behind the curtain and, you know, they just tick on and do whatever, you know, there were people that weren't happy with Obama, there were people that weren't happy with Bush, the people not happy with Trump.

[990] That doesn't, you know, just tell us what the priorities are, tell us what the tasking is, and we'll get on with it, you know, and go out there and do the collection operations we're supposed to do.

[991] It just seems like there's no one person that's ever going to be able to fill that position.

[992] It seems like that position also gets bigger and bigger, like your responsibilities get bigger and bigger.

[993] I mean, the presidency.

[994] I just, it seems to me that at this point in our, in our history, the history of our society, we kind of have to look at that position and wonder whether or not it's even logical to give so much power to one person.

[995] Yeah.

[996] But what would you do?

[997] I mean, how do you...

[998] Good question.

[999] Yeah, how do you create a...

[1000] Council of elders.

[1001] Counsel.

[1002] Everybody sits around like a hand -carved desk in an underground layer.

[1003] Yeah.

[1004] Makes decisions.

[1005] That sounds pretty good.

[1006] Oh, I like it.

[1007] Yeah.

[1008] It could be like the Knights of the Roundtable.

[1009] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1010] Yeah, you know what?

[1011] I don't know.

[1012] Virtuous people.

[1013] Doing a by committee.

[1014] I wonder if the Founding Fathers, you know, I'm sure there's been also reporting on that.

[1015] I just never read it.

[1016] But the Founding Fathers, if they consider that as an option, probably not.

[1017] But I wonder if they consider the kind of population growth that we've experienced.

[1018] You know, the real problem with the Founding Fathers is, as brilliant as they were, there's no way they could have ever seen the Internet coming.

[1019] No. No. Nor could they have seen people wanting to.

[1020] stay in Washington for 36 years or 42 years and become career politicians.

[1021] They were all just interested in doing their duty and serving the way they were supposed to or they felt obligated to and then getting the hell out, right?

[1022] Getting back to the farm or whatever their job was because nobody wanted to stay in Washington for any longer than they needed to.

[1023] So, yeah, you're right.

[1024] Could they have foreseen all?

[1025] No, definitely not.

[1026] And so does that mean, what does that mean, though?

[1027] I mean, that means, well, it means amendments to the Constitution as we've done in the past.

[1028] and think about how crazy it is that someone forms a new country and then 400 plus years later it is the preeminent superpower in the world by far yeah that's pretty crazy you got these countries that have been around for thousands and thousands of years like imagine a group of freaks and misfits that branch off from america getting a boat and float over to cost Costa Rica or wherever and take it over.

[1029] Yeah.

[1030] And then it becomes the superpower.

[1031] It is astounding.

[1032] And then again, going back to what we talked about towards the beginning, was cobbling it together, understanding that we needed to get our hands on everything west of the Mississippi.

[1033] Now, clearly there were some issues there.

[1034] But, you know, it's sort of that vision that says we're going all the way to the coast.

[1035] All the way to the water.

[1036] We have to.

[1037] Otherwise, we can control it.

[1038] Right.

[1039] And that's, I mean, it's an astounding history.

[1040] You're absolutely right.

[1041] But, you know, it'll be a. interesting to see, obviously, this is probably the stupidest statement people will hear all day is, you know, where we're going to be in, say, another 200 years, are we, because I've got a theory that says where every generation is making it easier for their kids, and eventually you hit a point of diminishing returns, and everybody's just a big pussy, and so that's my theory.

[1042] I haven't come up with a name for it yet.

[1043] You're not alone.

[1044] Yeah.

[1045] The big pussy theory.

[1046] The big pussy theory.

[1047] That could cover different things.

[1048] Sopranos.

[1049] Yeah.

[1050] That's a big pus.

[1051] That was great.

[1052] That was a great show.

[1053] I wonder, yeah, I mean, I wonder how much there's going to, there are parts of the world where obviously things are way more difficult than there are here.

[1054] And maybe we're losing some sort of a competitive edge because we've made our lives so easy.

[1055] And haven't replaced the convenience of civilization with something that tempers our human instincts, like some difficult tasks, right of passage for young men, you know, something that develops character.

[1056] Instead, we're making safe spaces and making.

[1057] words violence and you know making it so we have trigger warnings and there's no winners you don't have to win we don't have to win thank god we're my kids are getting old enough now where their sports leagues no longer you know for a while there was just driving me crazy as a parent going to a game and realizing that they weren't keeping score yeah because they didn't want to upset anybody's feelings oh my god that's the whole reason why people get better you fuck yeah meanwhile the kids are keeping school the kids know for sure and kids don't want you to blow smoke up their ass right you You know, and they'd come off the court, and if Mike, you know, like the oldest boy, a scooter, he's 10 years old, and he plays a lot of lacrosse.

[1058] He's been playing for five years, and so he's, he really likes it, and he does well, but, you know, I'm not raising the, you know, a division one champion there, right?

[1059] I mean, he's, but he plays other sports, too, so there's, there's sort of a well -roundedness there.

[1060] But we came off the field one day, and we were walking along, and, and all the parents were kind of marching off, and the game was over, and he says, how'd I do?

[1061] And I said, well, you know, you could have done better.

[1062] I said, I just get the impression you didn't try as hard as you could.

[1063] What do you think?

[1064] And he looked at me, irritated, right?

[1065] He looked at me like, I can't believe he didn't just say I did great.

[1066] And so he said, what?

[1067] And I looked at him.

[1068] I'm walking along, and I didn't realize the parents were within an airshot.

[1069] And I said, well, look, you know, Scoot, do you want me to blow smoke up your ass?

[1070] Do you want me to be honest with you?

[1071] And to his credit, he said, no, he should be honest with me, even though he wasn't happy about the honesty.

[1072] He said, you should be honest with me. And so we tell kids that they know better.

[1073] You know, if you tell a kid that they're great and they're doing wonderful and they didn't, what do they take away from that?

[1074] They take away from it that you're kind of bullshitting them.

[1075] Right.

[1076] You know, unless they're just super, super young, they get it at a pretty early age.

[1077] Well, here's something that's important to relate to children, that you are not your accomplishments.

[1078] You are you.

[1079] And the only way you are going to get better at accomplishing things is to be 100.

[1080] 100 % honest about the amount of effort you put in and what the actual result of that effort is.

[1081] Whether it's a failure or a success, that does not define you that defines your participation in this particular activity.

[1082] It is not you.

[1083] You are an individual that will hopefully learn from all of your endeavors, but you're never going to learn shit if you lie to yourself.

[1084] You're never going to learn shit.

[1085] If somebody makes this, nobody scores a point, and there are no winners, and there are no losers, and everybody amazing that that's not good because good voice by the way it's not good because there's going to be people out there that are fucking driven right and psychotic and they're going to get ahead there's people that are task oriented and goal oriented and they they have an idea ahead of them going to try to figure out how to make this happen they have a goal they want to reach it and if you're competing with that person in any form of life and they're not burdened down by the bullshit that we give so many kids today they're going to have a mass of advantage.

[1086] And this idea that this kid who's been coddled and treated like he's always going to be a winner, that somehow or no, they're going to be happier is fucking crazy.

[1087] No, if that kid can't process what's true and what's not, and the kid can't process criticism, right?

[1088] Constructive criticism, right?

[1089] You don't just stand there and berate your kid, of course.

[1090] That's just as bad as the other thing.

[1091] Yeah, no, absolutely.

[1092] The guys that stand on, everybody's seen them, right?

[1093] The dads or sometimes the moms that stand on the sideline and berate their kid because kids jeopardizing his scholarship to some D1 school, yeah.

[1094] Morons.

[1095] But, no, I think you're absolutely right.

[1096] They've got to, the sooner they're able to assess that equation, effort and result.

[1097] Yes.

[1098] And compare it to what's going on around them and then understand it.

[1099] I mean, say, one of my, and then one of my boys, you know, they play basketball.

[1100] And they enjoy it, but it's not their primary action.

[1101] activity right now.

[1102] So they tried out for AAU, right?

[1103] And they got in, but not at the top team.

[1104] And they were upset about not being placed on this top team.

[1105] And I said, you don't, and I didn't say it quite this way, but my point was you don't deserve to be on the top team.

[1106] Because you're not working as hard as those kids that are working hard, and that's their thing.

[1107] They wanted to be there.

[1108] And so they put in the effort.

[1109] You are happy, plane and you could you could be there but you're not doing it yet right and so therefore you know a don't get down on yourself but b don't certainly don't get down on anybody else because they put out the effort and they accomplish something that that you didn't so i mean it's a you know you're always trying to find that balance it's just i don't we're not doing our kids any favors right now i just think we're not not obviously that's a broad brush statement but in general terms I think society is not doing us any favors.

[1110] And you see that, I mean, a daughter that's in college, and she talks about her classmates and others and sort of the conversations they have in class and the discussions and what passes as debate nowadays, which is not much.

[1111] The idea of the old debate where you can voice your opinions and they can be different than somebody else's and you can hash it out and you can have a winner and a loser, but that's fine, you go away and you come back the next day and you have another rousing debate in that class, it doesn't really exist.

[1112] You know, it seems like anyway, because everybody's so afraid of saying something that might be offensive or not offensive, but just might be upsetting.

[1113] Right.

[1114] And there's a difference between being upsetting and being offensive.

[1115] We're trying to nerve the world.

[1116] I mean, that really is what it is.

[1117] We're trying to, all the hard edges that you might bruise yourself on, we're trying to put a cushion.

[1118] But you need to understand that when you fall down, it's going to hurt.

[1119] So that way, next time you're thinking you might fall down, you'll correct your path.

[1120] Yeah.

[1121] It's the whole reason why people do difficult things.

[1122] You do difficult things to understand your boundaries, to understand your limitations, and then to try to improve those.

[1123] Try to raise the roof on your expectations.

[1124] Raise the roof on your, your, whatever, limitations of your abilities, learn from whatever those are and improve.

[1125] It's like interrogation training.

[1126] An interrogation training when you're working with people, the goal is to show them that it's okay.

[1127] At some point they're going to have to talk, right?

[1128] And so when you're going through the training, the point of it is to get them to that point, they realize that, okay, you know, it's not the end of the world.

[1129] I know that at some point I'm going to end up talking, right?

[1130] I'm going to say something.

[1131] I'm going to have to do that because I can't.

[1132] Otherwise, I'm either dead or I'm completely broken.

[1133] And the idea is if you do that, and then the rest of the time.

[1134] the training and beyond that, you're building them back up because they understand that.

[1135] Now, if, God forbid, something should happen, they get picked up and there's actually an interrogation going on.

[1136] In the back of their mind, they understand that.

[1137] And they're able to process it so that if they do get to that point where now, okay, I'm going to have to talk.

[1138] I'm going to come up with something.

[1139] And then it's not completely devastating.

[1140] It doesn't, you know, leave them completely broken.

[1141] And they can walk back because they understand.

[1142] I got to that point.

[1143] I understand what my boundaries are, but I can work within that.

[1144] I don't know where I'm going with us.

[1145] Are you saying interrogation training like an agent gets interrogated?

[1146] Yeah, yeah.

[1147] I mean, interrogation training in general for our outfit, for the military.

[1148] You know, it's basically the same.

[1149] We do a lot of cross -training.

[1150] But this is not interrogating an enemy combatant.

[1151] Oh, no, no, no, I'm talking about you being going through an interrogation training.

[1152] So what do you tell them to do?

[1153] Like in that it's like, say if someone gets captured in Afghanistan or whatever, whatever, whatever.

[1154] Well, I mean, you know, the bottom line is you know, you try to avoid talking.

[1155] Right.

[1156] But it depends.

[1157] it is you've got to assess who you're dealing with, right?

[1158] You've got to assess what you think their parameters are.

[1159] What could be coming down the pike, in other words.

[1160] So how is this?

[1161] And that's part of the training, too, is understanding what different groups, what different places could mean, what that interrogation could look like, how bad it could get.

[1162] So you're processing that.

[1163] Part of it is understanding what it is that it's okay to give up.

[1164] What are you going to say that's not going to put anything in jeopardy, anybody's lives or any operations or anything in jeopardy?

[1165] Part of it is, you know, then you, you're you've got to understand, you've got to stay close to the truth, right?

[1166] The problem with it, if you, you know, where you start getting people out on interrogations is where they can't remember what they've said.

[1167] Right.

[1168] And the closer you are to the truth, the easier it is to remember what you've said, right?

[1169] So, and these things, I mean, if it's a bad situation and you're in there day in and day out, you know, and you're, you know, their sleep deprivation and they're, you know, knocking you around and there's no food.

[1170] And it's, you're going to have, a hard time, keeping track of even the basic things.

[1171] So, you know, you're trying to keep it as close to the truth as possible and as minimal as possible, you know, in terms of damage.

[1172] You go and typically, you've thought through all of this.

[1173] It's like everything else.

[1174] You do your homework ahead of time and, God forbid, something should happen and, you know, usually it won't.

[1175] But anyway, point being is that, you know, the ideas in the training portion of it, you want people to understand that, you know, everybody's got a breaking point, right?

[1176] And that's just, that's the way it works and someone's some it's you know it's here some it's further down the road but everybody's going to break and you don't want that to devastate the person if it should happen you know knock on wood but anyway that's apropos of nothing no it's it's important I mean it's an interesting topic because I mean understanding that there's going to be severe penalties and that there's going to be repercussions yeah you know this is a this is a this a bad situation you're in.

[1177] And understanding that going in is going to help you a lot more than if you go in there from, you know, a soft, padded world where you don't think there's going to be any adversity whatsoever.

[1178] No, that's right.

[1179] And that's all where, you know, just to finish that thought is that the interesting thing about, people talked about the interrogation program that we had, obviously, right?

[1180] And I don't want to revisit that.

[1181] And, you know, the left did a very fine job of grabbing the moral high ground and saying either you're talking to people or it's all torture.

[1182] Right.

[1183] But the point being is that even if you don't ever intend to use any enhanced interrogation techniques, you don't want to tell the enemy that.

[1184] Because once you tell them that you're constrained by the Army Field Manual as an example, that's all you can do.

[1185] Guess what?

[1186] Every mook out there fighting us and wanting to harm us is carrying a copy of the Army Field Manual in their back pocket.

[1187] They don't, you know, despite the fact that they did for a while, they don't live in a cave.

[1188] And so once they know what's coming down the pike, that's gone.

[1189] Their incentive is gone, right, to talk to you.

[1190] Because once you know, once you don't have that unknown, if you're not sitting in some, you know, squat box and the temperatures, you know, up and you're having eaten and you're thinking, what the hell they're going to do to me next?

[1191] You have no idea.

[1192] if that's gone and you don't have that anxiety, that intense anxiety, then you're okay.

[1193] Mentally, you get yourself to a nice, happy spot.

[1194] You're comfortable.

[1195] They're feeding you.

[1196] They're just asking questions.

[1197] They're just asking questions, and you're, you know, you can hold out for a much longer period of time.

[1198] And yeah, maybe there'll be some clever, you know, person working in the interrogation facility and they'll develop a personal relationship over a period of time, you know.

[1199] But you know what?

[1200] By then, your operational information has lost its interest, right?

[1201] And his shelf, life on that stuff is not particularly long, typically.

[1202] So, anyway, that's, yeah.

[1203] So when you're in a situation where you have to extract information in a very short period of time because it's critical, because lives are at stake.

[1204] Like in the old ticking time bomb thing.

[1205] Yeah, I mean, if you're stuck in some situation where, you know, someone's got a dirty bomb or, you know, what have you.

[1206] There's a terrorist attack that's being planned.

[1207] You know this guy has some information.

[1208] What is the best way to get it out of them?

[1209] Is there a best way?

[1210] There's, you know what, there's not really, because it's all dependent on the individual.

[1211] And that's where it's so much of this, you know, it just, again, the argument got sort of, you know, corrupted, hijacked, whatever.

[1212] Because of waterboarding?

[1213] Because, yeah, it just became such an emotive issue.

[1214] But it's an enormously labor -intensive process, even in those cases where you think, okay, we've just picked up a high -value target, and we feel that they've got operational information that we really need to know related to, whatever um it's it's it's it's not as if you don't go in there and start beating them over the head with a two by four nobody nobody does that you know maybe some maybe some liaison partners you know in in you know fourth world you know would uh is there a fourth world what's a fifth world what's a fifth world country i never even heard of that new jersey Connecticut Connecticut that's Connecticut outside of hand yeah Dan Malloy is the president of the fifth world nation of Connecticut um so So, you know, it's down to the individual.

[1215] It's knowing your homework.

[1216] It's having all the information that you can at your fingertips about, okay, well, who is this person?

[1217] Who is associates?

[1218] Who else have we picked up?

[1219] And what have they said up to this point?

[1220] Do you have anything like that that you can walk into it?

[1221] If you walk into an interrogation and you haven't done your homework, you're screwed, right?

[1222] It's going to show out really quickly.

[1223] And they're going to figure it out for the most part.

[1224] You know, not to say that every detainee would be Lex Luthor, but, you know, they get a sense pretty quickly.

[1225] So you really got to have it buttoned up, have as much information as possible, so that you know how to direct the conversation.

[1226] If anything is said at all, volunteered at all, is there any credibility to it?

[1227] What can you do with that information?

[1228] You can take it back and get it corroborated by another detainee.

[1229] Your Siri is, you got to shut that off, man. Siri is transcribing everything you said.

[1230] Yeah, look at that.

[1231] No. It's the fucking CIA, man. Yeah, they're doing that.

[1232] Now, what about using, like, chemicals?

[1233] Like, what about, like, MDMA?

[1234] Have they ever tried giving detainees ecstasy?

[1235] No, I mean, I don't know, 60s, the 1960s, I'm sure.

[1236] That's what I would say.

[1237] You'd be surprised, now, I'm thinking, is Siri still listening to me?

[1238] That, damn, big brother.

[1239] Well, listen, I don't know.

[1240] You know what it is.

[1241] It's not the government.

[1242] It's Google.

[1243] I hate to break it to Google, but you can listen right now on your.

[1244] YouTube.

[1245] You don't need to fucking covertly attack people's phones.

[1246] Doing that.

[1247] Asshole stuff.

[1248] No, it's, you know what, there are, and again, we...

[1249] They might not know enough about ecstasy.

[1250] I need to get on the team.

[1251] If I just talk to them, if I just get, get alone.

[1252] I'm telling you, you give these guys two hits, they'll fucking tell you everything.

[1253] Just give them a massage.

[1254] That'll be your codename.

[1255] They'll be so nice to you.

[1256] Yeah.

[1257] It just changes everything.

[1258] They'll be so nice to you.

[1259] They'll be just give them like some delicious food and give them a back rub and just go, listen, man. America.

[1260] is awesome.

[1261] Tell me what you know about that plot that we want to know about.

[1262] You don't want to blow anybody up, man. Then they can't be your friend.

[1263] How could you do that?

[1264] Yeah, if you kill people, they can't be your friend.

[1265] Oh, you're right.

[1266] Yeah, I think that would work.

[1267] I don't know why we didn't think about that.

[1268] It seems like it wouldn't work, but you know why?

[1269] You haven't done ecstasy.

[1270] Yeah, well, there you go.

[1271] Have you done it?

[1272] No. Yeah, so there you go.

[1273] I've done it.

[1274] Trust me, it'll fucking work.

[1275] Just give people two hits of ecstasy.

[1276] I'm serious.

[1277] After the show, I'll tell you what I'll do.

[1278] We'll get on the jet and we'll go back to What I'm saying is bullshit.

[1279] It seems like I'm joking around.

[1280] But I'm telling you what that stuff does is, first of all, it kills all of your inhibitions, gone.

[1281] All of your anxiety, gone.

[1282] And all of your insecurities, gone.

[1283] And what you're left with is this over serotonin, over dopamine state where you just love everything and everybody.

[1284] If you could give that to enemy combatants, I guarantee you, if you could talk to them, you would get shit out of them that they would never want.

[1285] want to discuss.

[1286] Yeah, I think, you know, people won't buy it when I say it, but there are tremendous constraints on what can and can't be done.

[1287] If people had gone through and actually read all those DOJ memos that were released, that's what you bring me in, buddy.

[1288] There you go, that's what I'm talking about, the chemist.

[1289] I'm a chemist.

[1290] I'd like to introduce you to the fucking lab coat on, some fake glasses, so I look smarter than I am.

[1291] Give me a stethoscope.

[1292] Or maybe like in club gear, you just show up, you know, and take them out for a rave.

[1293] Yeah, like high water pants Italian shoes Now you're talking Sort of the 70s hustle Yeah, just bring me in I'm telling you Just let me try it once Yeah I can fix a lot of shit I'll put the idea forward I'll see what they say And then if you know The reason why they don't think it would work Is because they haven't done it If you get anybody in the bureau Or anybody in the CIA Or wherever who has done ecstasy They would listen to this And they would not want to say They've done it So it'd be a real issue But if you, I'm telling you You give people two tabs of ecstasy and then start asking him questions.

[1294] Plus also, it would have been a much happier facility.

[1295] Oh, yeah.

[1296] Can you imagine?

[1297] But not the next day.

[1298] Not the next day, no. The next day is rough.

[1299] You fucking, I remember the first time, well, I only did ecstasy once, but the next day I did it, I was in a coffee shop trying to read a boxing magazine.

[1300] I literally could not read.

[1301] I was like, God, I can't even, like, concentrate enough to read a full sentence.

[1302] Like, this is terrible.

[1303] And was it just pretty much that day after?

[1304] No, it took a couple days.

[1305] That night I went on.

[1306] stage and I was terrible.

[1307] I went on stage that night in Dallas.

[1308] If you went to that show back in 2001 or whatever it was, I'm sorry for us.

[1309] He's apologizing.

[1310] Yeah, it was terrible show.

[1311] I just, I just had no energy.

[1312] My brain was just, like, I felt like my brain was a dry sponge, like someone had just squeezed all of the juice out of my brain.

[1313] Yeah.

[1314] See, it's those after effects.

[1315] I just, you know, you think.

[1316] Not worth it.

[1317] No. But there's ways out of that.

[1318] There's a, there's a, just keep on it.

[1319] No, there's nutrients that you take called 5HTP.

[1320] 5HTP.

[1321] 5HT