JRE MMA Show #117 with Marlon "Chito" Vera

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[3] Yeah, there's a few guys in L .A. that are like legit L .A. legends.

[4] Legends of tattooing.

[5] He's one of the biggest.

[6] Yeah.

[7] We did one seat, and that was painful.

[8] That kicked my eyes.

[9] Is the back more painful than the arms?

[10] Oh, yeah.

[11] Really?

[12] The arms are easy.

[13] Yeah, the arms are pretty easy.

[14] Basically, you feel it, but you're not crying on my back.

[15] You were crying?

[16] There was not crying, but about to.

[17] There were points that my arm were shaking.

[18] Really?

[19] Without me moving it.

[20] Wow.

[21] See, it's weird what parts hurt, because the elbow hurts a lot.

[22] Like the inside of the elbow, that shit hurts a lot.

[23] I was like, I thought that was numb.

[24] Because, like, you think about how many times you hit things with your elbows.

[25] It doesn't hurt at all.

[26] I crack heads with elbows, but the, The little ink, it will make you pay.

[27] It's crazy.

[28] It's weird.

[29] Yeah.

[30] I have my full leg, a dragon.

[31] Yeah.

[32] Like, top to bottom on my leg, that's also awful.

[33] Really?

[34] Leg is awful?

[35] Like, some parts, like, some parts in the tide where the sun doesn't go.

[36] Mm. Where the sun doesn't go.

[37] You know, what's funny about my leg tattoo.

[38] When this guy was tattooed my inner tie, he was pushing my balls aside.

[39] So he can ink.

[40] Right.

[41] And I was like...

[42] He's touching your balls.

[43] Kind of.

[44] He was pushing them away.

[45] Well, he's touching them away.

[46] A little bit.

[47] And this is...

[48] You know what the crazy part?

[49] When I was there, I was just like...

[50] Because normally I get tattooed right after fight.

[51] Because that's my rest time.

[52] And I was just thinking, this is painful.

[53] This is awkward.

[54] I was just like thinking about like, what's worse?

[55] The guy growing, pushing my dick away.

[56] Or the pain right there because it was so painful that I was.

[57] like wow I'm hurting well the guy to pushing your dick away is just weird no but that's not painful right it's not painful but it's very weird it's painful in the way you know what it's weird it's it feels good you're like damn this is enjoyable yeah it's you instead going like oh you don't want that that would be a problem maybe you do maybe you do no it doesn't happen not for you but for some people happens yeah but I was like that it was painful and awkward that was it was hard it was hard too I was just like please finish that part quick so who did your leg uh this guy called mark nowa yeah he's uh he's really good in japanese style and he's like a mile from my house oh wow in costa mesa oh well costa that whole los angeles is amazing for tattoos yeah we are and i've been lucky most of my tattoos you know some people got some tattoos that they're like they just get it because they want tattoos and they're shit yeah i'm lucky everything even what everything i got in ecuador it's is just clean and it's all what it won.

[58] How much of it did you get in Ecuador?

[59] I get basically all this arm.

[60] Mark Nava did just the snake and the spider in the back then the rest is all in Ecuador.

[61] All this arm is in Ecuador besides the hand.

[62] This is Sean Topper, another good guy around in Costa Mesa area.

[63] Then my back, Mr. Cretune.

[64] Having a back piece like your back piece, we just filmed it.

[65] We just took a video before the podcast but mr cartoon that guy's a legend of all my tattoos that's that's number one has to be how hard was it to get in with him well every time he he's like kind of like he works with with the ruka with the brand oh okay so he comes busy pat all the time so every time he comes around i'm like come on dude come on dude get me in and he's like he's pretty chill you know is he and yeah he's pretty cool And then he's like, okay, talk to my assistant.

[66] And I just harassed the fuck out of this guy.

[67] I'm like, yo, get me in.

[68] And basically, he wasn't tattooing during the pandemic.

[69] He wasn't doing nothing.

[70] Really?

[71] And that was his first tattoo back.

[72] Oh, wow.

[73] So he's just chilling?

[74] He's just chilling.

[75] Wow.

[76] I guess he can chill at this point, right?

[77] Oh, yeah.

[78] He's a bad motherfucker.

[79] He's a bad motherfucker.

[80] He don't need to tattoo more people.

[81] No. So I'm glad he tattoo me. That's amazing that he did.

[82] Yeah.

[83] When you get a guy like that, man, God, he's just a legend.

[84] He's a legend.

[85] Yeah.

[86] And I'm going to keep finishing my back because I got spots in the sides.

[87] I'm going to finish with him.

[88] Did you do it at his studio?

[89] Yeah, in Santa Monica.

[90] Does he have pictures on his walls of all the people that he's tattooed?

[91] Dude, when I was there, I was tripping.

[92] There's like Eminem in one side.

[93] Then all the art they have, they have like a barber shop that he owns next, like literally next door.

[94] And the seats are like from the 80s, like orino, paint by him.

[95] I was like, wow, this guy's tattooing me. Wow.

[96] So when I get to the shop, He's like, you want to smoke?

[97] I'm like, fuck yeah.

[98] He gives me a joint of this.

[99] I don't know why he's smoking.

[100] And I was like, bro, this is a strong.

[101] It's pure gasoline, brother.

[102] Pure gasoline.

[103] When he started tattooing me, I was just like, I was way too high.

[104] I was way too high.

[105] It's sensitive when you're high, right?

[106] Do you feel it more?

[107] Oh, I was.

[108] That's why I was freaking out.

[109] Yeah.

[110] When I'm drinking, though, drinking, you barely feel shit.

[111] I never drink a tattoo.

[112] Really?

[113] Ever.

[114] I have.

[115] I might start doing that now.

[116] Yeah, it's a good move.

[117] It dulls the pain quite a bit I definitely smoke all the time I get a tattoo I think that would hurt Oh it hurt More Yeah Because you're like You're super sensitive You're sensitive And then you're like You feel your heart Going up And then the pain hurts And then because sometimes With I'm sober My heart goes high Because your body's going through Some shit Yeah You're gonna sit You body's also like Hey bitch Run away from this pain Why are you sitting still When I think When I get my neck done That was when I was like, I need to get the fuck out of here.

[118] How is the neck the most painful?

[119] The throw is pretty fucked up.

[120] Every time you swallow, good luck.

[121] Yeah.

[122] Right?

[123] And they're getting in there.

[124] And then my head was falling from the fucking table.

[125] Oh, because you have to lean back.

[126] Yeah.

[127] Oh, my goodness.

[128] Yeah.

[129] So I was like, I won't do my neck anymore.

[130] Thank God it's done.

[131] Neck pain is weird pain because, like, your body's like, this is a bad place to have pain.

[132] Like, you shouldn't have any pain around here.

[133] This is vulnerable as fuck.

[134] No, I know.

[135] Sean Shelby, when he saw my first two, you're a fucking idiot.

[136] Sean Shelby said that?

[137] Yeah.

[138] He's like, you won't be able to get a job.

[139] I'm like, I don't need a job.

[140] You'll be able to get a job.

[141] I was like, you give me a job.

[142] He was more, he was motivating me to don't be an idiot.

[143] I was like, hey, I'm going to have been to UC for a long time.

[144] That's such a silly thing to say.

[145] Sean Shelby, you silly goose.

[146] We were laughing about it after the Frankie fight.

[147] He told me like, hey, you're good.

[148] I'm like, I told you.

[149] I'm an idiot, but I told you.

[150] That's so silly He was laughing about it He's a funny guy But you know That job Makes people It's not easy No You lose your fucking head Yeah Think about how many fights Felt off And you gotta figure it out Yourself And there's 500 fighters On the roster That are email And him every day Trying to get a fight And then you have to deal With crazy managers Some managers are crazy Yeah Some managers are great But some managers Are out of their fucking mind That's why I respect him I don't hate him Because People's like Fuck the guy He don't want to help me I'm like, bro, there's like 10 idiots just like you saying the same thing about him.

[151] Mick Maynard is cool as fuck, though.

[152] He never loses this shit.

[153] He's newer, too.

[154] Is that what it is?

[155] But he's been around a long time.

[156] You say newer, but many years.

[157] But I'll try it in the UFC.

[158] Yeah.

[159] Like, the UFC probably is a different animal of pressure.

[160] Yeah, but even in the UFC, Mick's been around for many years now.

[161] It's been quite a few years.

[162] Yeah, that's true.

[163] But Sean has been since the early days.

[164] Yeah.

[165] Well, Joe Silva was losing his mind before he quit.

[166] So he had to quit.

[167] As much as that guy loves the sport, he's like, I can't do it anymore.

[168] I'm out.

[169] I can't fucking do it anymore.

[170] Yeah, he was losing.

[171] That's definitely, that's definitely make you lose your head.

[172] I like when people quit, though.

[173] I like when people sail off in the sunset.

[174] See ya.

[175] I got enough money.

[176] Tata for now.

[177] Chee -ching.

[178] Chething.

[179] He's fucking money signs following them.

[180] Yeah, it's just nice.

[181] I mean, he got paid out when the UFC got sold to Endeavor.

[182] Good for him.

[183] And it's like, bye -bye.

[184] It's like, fuck off, you maniacs.

[185] Good for him.

[186] Yeah.

[187] Who want to be around that anyway?

[188] I ran into him once since then, and he was so happy.

[189] He looked lighter.

[190] Like, the weight of the world was off his shoulders.

[191] Basically, the whole fucking thing is in your shoulders.

[192] Like, a fire is pull off.

[193] You got then in your head.

[194] Like, who's going to fight?

[195] Find replacement.

[196] Well, you know what's crazy is when they have guys do, like, a full weight camp, a full camp and a weight cut as an alternate?

[197] Just in case.

[198] Yeah.

[199] I find that crazy.

[200] They do that with the main events.

[201] I know.

[202] That's wild.

[203] When I fought in New York, Luca did that for.

[204] for Usman and Colby.

[205] Really?

[206] Yeah, but he missed weight.

[207] Oh, that's right.

[208] He did.

[209] Yeah, that's right.

[210] He did miss weight.

[211] Yeah, but it's hard on the body, man. Like, the weight cut is so bad on the body already.

[212] Waycuts are like taking punch to the jaw.

[213] Yeah.

[214] You have so many of those.

[215] Right.

[216] If you don't do it right, you're fuck.

[217] Even if you do it right.

[218] Like, look, Kobe Coventon planned for seven months for this fight.

[219] I mean, you know, it's hard.

[220] You can't take it away from Kai Kar -O -France because he landed a perfect punch.

[221] Oh, Cory Garvin.

[222] Yeah.

[223] What did I say?

[224] Colby Covington.

[225] Oh, I'm sorry.

[226] Cody Garbrandt.

[227] It's early.

[228] I haven't had any coffee yet.

[229] Let me have some coffee.

[230] Get some coffee.

[231] Did I say Kobe Covington?

[232] God damn.

[233] It's weird when you have like a thought in your head.

[234] I'm probably too sharp because I took mushrooms early.

[235] You took what?

[236] Mushrooms early?

[237] That's one probably sharp.

[238] Maybe I'm like feeling off of you.

[239] I'm confused by your energy.

[240] Yeah, I'm a spiritual energy.

[241] I mean, I train early mornings.

[242] I'm pretty.

[243] Cody Garbrandt.

[244] So Cody Garbrand dropping down 125 pounds.

[245] And are you wants about that?

[246] Please, sir.

[247] Thank you.

[248] Yeah, and then I was listening to you guys when you were talking about it.

[249] Like he did a great blah, blah, blah.

[250] But still.

[251] It's also energy.

[252] Like, he's been getting chaos many times in a row.

[253] His mind probably knows, oh, if I get touched, I'm going to go down.

[254] And he doesn't saw it coming.

[255] Kyle Carfran is a great fighter, so good for him.

[256] He knocked him out.

[257] But when you've been finished many times, also your mind accepted.

[258] It's like, yeah, I've been here before.

[259] or poop, less than enough.

[260] Yeah, but in what, you're, yeah, Chuck Liddell told me that, that later in his career, his mind was recognized and he was about to take punishment, and his brain would just shut off easier.

[261] It's like your brain knows that you've been knocked out too many times.

[262] Yeah, and then your body knows.

[263] That's why fires like that, they should walk away.

[264] Yes, you know.

[265] Yes, you can't take a shot.

[266] I'm nobody to tell you what you should do, but you probably most likely have to do it.

[267] Well, it's a, it's a young man's game, and then it is a, there's a few cracks, hefty veterans that can hang around into their 40s.

[268] My boy Glover is the shining example of that.

[269] Because he seems so fresh.

[270] He's amazing.

[271] And he's had some rough knockouts, man. Think about the rumble knockout.

[272] Anthony Johnson pulled his teeth right to the stars.

[273] Yeah, I mean, that uppercut was spectacular.

[274] And then, you know, Gustafson, Gustafsson put it on him, man. My God.

[275] And Gustafsson, that was his best performance of his career.

[276] I mean, Gustafsson was on fire in that fire.

[277] He looked sharp.

[278] Oh, my God, he looks so good.

[279] But them John Jones came, man. Yeah, well, there's levels, man. There's levels.

[280] D .C. couldn't say better.

[281] When he brought these, there's levels to this.

[282] Yeah, it's true.

[283] These levels.

[284] You have to stay ahead.

[285] You have to work the whole time.

[286] So most people only pushes when they have a contract.

[287] When they hear like, hey, you might be fighting this day.

[288] This is not this sport.

[289] I don't even call it.

[290] I don't think this is a sport.

[291] It's fighting.

[292] It's fighting.

[293] So you better be trained the whole time and just ready to go.

[294] And when you're not in camp, you have to be improved.

[295] A hundred percent.

[296] Yeah, you have to be working on things.

[297] And there's some people that don't do that.

[298] And, you know, the camps are hard.

[299] And some people, when they get out of camp, they just want to get fat and relax.

[300] And not on me. No. Like, Kobe Bryant mentality and say the Mama mentality.

[301] I call it the immigrant mentality.

[302] Yeah, immigrant mentality.

[303] all fucking day seven days a week yeah I love that you quote Joey Diaz like that I love that guy everybody loves Joey Diaz I love when he told the Monday video yeah it fucking get me hard he just did a new one on Giuliana Peña did you see that one I don't see that way pull it up pull it's on his Instagram it's fucking beautiful he was talking about how amazing Giuliana Peña he's a motherfucker he was coughing and shit you motherfuckers it's fucking Monday if you're coughing Happy for your weekend, fuck off.

[304] He gets fired up.

[305] That's a guy, that's a mentality you should fucking follow.

[306] He's the most unusual person I've ever met.

[307] But what we're just talking about before that.

[308] About staying ready ever.

[309] There's no season.

[310] There's no season.

[311] There's no season.

[312] And there's also these moments where you get called.

[313] Like, for example, this is not MMA, but it's boxing.

[314] This Jake Paul Tyron Woodley rematch, which is this weekend.

[315] Tyron just got the call.

[316] I think it was like 15, 16 days out, something like that.

[317] And there's not that many days.

[318] Almost guaranteed he wasn't ready.

[319] I mean, I can't imagine that he was training in a full camp.

[320] Like, when I'm not in camp, I'm Monday through Friday in the gym.

[321] In the weekends, I'm going long distance.

[322] I'm in 13, 15 miles.

[323] Yeah.

[324] And then out of camp is when I ask that you need to coach, like, hey, I've been having issues here.

[325] Or the wrestling coach, how to defend this?

[326] When you're in camp, there's no many times.

[327] to get better.

[328] You just get your mind set, you listen to your head coach, your body should be fit by then, but out of comments when you're adding tools, when you're, like, getting new, new guns, new bullets.

[329] Did you ever see when BJ Pem was training with Marv Morinovich?

[330] Yeah.

[331] He told me a lot about it.

[332] And Parillo told me, too.

[333] He was, what I heard about it, it was like, it was all about cardio.

[334] Three, four seconds, three, four seconds.

[335] All the, but that's why he have a great first round.

[336] Yeah.

[337] And then he's low -down.

[338] Not necessarily.

[339] You know, that was when he beat Sean Shirk.

[340] That was when he beat, who else would he fight?

[341] Diego Sanchez with the head kick.

[342] Diego Sanchez, that's right.

[343] Like, those fights were when he was supremely conditioned.

[344] But the point was their idea was you already know how to fight.

[345] Yes.

[346] The camp is not for fighting.

[347] The camp is for physical preparation.

[348] So to get yourself in peak condition.

[349] And that was what they thought.

[350] I can talk because I'm in that camp.

[351] I'm with Parillo.

[352] So they were focusing a lot on explosion.

[353] Explosion.

[354] But then what about the long distance.

[355] Like, that's what Parillo says.

[356] It's not about sprint.

[357] It's not about intervals.

[358] It's not about long distance.

[359] It's about the three of them.

[360] And that's one thing I add from him because he liked me to sprint.

[361] He liked sprints.

[362] Me personally, my favorite thing is go over 50 miles.

[363] run almost three hours like just go why do you like doing that because my mind is so sharp i'm thinking i'm i'm visualizing i'm i'm thinking on i'm seeing the future i'm like i basically i'm thinking on what you want how i want to get it done but then also you got to be able to keep yourself active for that long because when you do intervals like last night i did a sprint like fast like 12 like 12 miles per hour two minutes i did like six six rounds like that It's hard as fuck.

[364] Your heart is going to get off your chest, but you know it's two minutes.

[365] You know it's going to end.

[366] So it's almost like you teach yourself to stop here.

[367] When I do my long distance, there's no, it's almost done.

[368] Because when I go six, seven miles to the left, I know I've got to come back.

[369] Right, right, right, right.

[370] So I like everything.

[371] All of them work because one, it helped me being explosive, help me being fast, but the other one in the championship round, It's going to show.

[372] And you don't get this overnight.

[373] I don't start running and get to 13 miles in a week.

[374] It took me months to get there.

[375] Now, I do 13, 15 whenever I want.

[376] But also, I don't stop using it.

[377] Parillo always say, you don't use it, you lose it.

[378] Right.

[379] So you got to come back to the basics.

[380] You got to keep doing.

[381] That's why I say it's not seasonal.

[382] It's never ending.

[383] When you're in camp, do you run long distances?

[384] They stop me to do it.

[385] Yeah?

[386] Because they're like, hey, okay.

[387] Four weeks out, forget about it.

[388] Now we have to be fast and explosive.

[389] Which I listen to my team, that's why I'm winning.

[390] And you already have the cardio base.

[391] I already have the low base is being done the whole year.

[392] On camp, I was focused on be quick and be sharp and be ready to go.

[393] When you started in Ecuador, what kind of facilities were available?

[394] Nothing.

[395] Nothing.

[396] I was training on living rooms with mats.

[397] Like, let's see you move this table, you put mats, and we go, Jab cross hook back on four.

[398] Really?

[399] There was nothing.

[400] What motivated you to get into it?

[401] This is a crazy thing.

[402] This is a go back when I'm a four -year -old kid in Ecuador in this town called Chon.

[403] I was fighting on the street, the homeless kids that they clean shoes for money or they sell, they sell, like, chiclets or cigarette.

[404] My brother used to call these kids giving a couple bucks to fight me, for fun, like the fucking circus.

[405] And I love it.

[406] This is when you were four?

[407] I was a kid, a five, four, yes.

[408] They used to make me fight just for fun.

[409] Wow.

[410] And they would laugh about it.

[411] And then if I lose, they get mad.

[412] But I used to ask for it.

[413] I'm like, bro, I want to fight today.

[414] It was like, that was like, instead of go play soccer, that was for me. And it was fight MMA?

[415] No, it was a, it was a street fight.

[416] Right, just, just crap.

[417] But no rules, no gloves.

[418] Of course, don't buy, don't do crazy shit.

[419] Did you guys discuss this beforehand?

[420] No, we just fight.

[421] punches.

[422] Well, I guess we were gentlemen's.

[423] They used to make me fight.

[424] So they would be like, okay, we found this kid to fight him.

[425] I was like, right now?

[426] Yeah, don't be a fucking pussy.

[427] I was like, okay, whatever.

[428] Wow.

[429] But that was just for fun.

[430] But then when I started growing up, I wasn't an aggressive person, but I always would be looking for a fight.

[431] I don't know what was there.

[432] Maybe it was Chuck Norris.

[433] Chuck Norris?

[434] Oh, yeah.

[435] Oh, yeah.

[436] You remember Walker Ranger of Texas.

[437] That was my shit.

[438] Cowboy boots, hat.

[439] I know we want to fight every bad person.

[440] Did you wear cowboy boots in the hat?

[441] Oh, growing up.

[442] I was a cowboy.

[443] My dad had a farm since I remember.

[444] Oh, yeah?

[445] Cows, everything.

[446] Oh, wow.

[447] So it's just the environment I grew up.

[448] It was weird.

[449] It was all like men shit, wake up at 3 in the morning, pick up the cows.

[450] And I don't have to do that.

[451] I was doing it for fun.

[452] Like the employee would pick me up at 3 in the morning.

[453] Hey, Chito.

[454] And I just jump on his horse.

[455] He took me. My dad wake up with a cup of coffee and I was like, hmm.

[456] It was working, but in my mind I was just having fun.

[457] Oh, okay.

[458] So you enjoyed it.

[459] Oh, I love it.

[460] If I retire right now, I can go back to Echor and just work for my dad in the farm.

[461] Be life.

[462] Be happy.

[463] Do you think that's what you'll do when you retire?

[464] I don't know.

[465] I got three kids.

[466] They basically are Americans now.

[467] Americans are from here.

[468] I don't think there's a way back for me, because by the time they're 15, I'm going to be like, yo, let's, that you want to be happy in Ecuador.

[469] They're going to be, fuck off.

[470] We're from California, dude.

[471] Yeah, right?

[472] It's going to be hard to bring them back.

[473] Unless California goes crazy.

[474] Unless California keeps getting.

[475] Unless what's happening in Los Angeles makes its way to where you are.

[476] Them I'm fuck.

[477] Them I'm out of their, they come here to Texas.

[478] Yeah, a lot of people are doing that.

[479] And I can wear my cowboy hat here.

[480] Oh, you blend right in.

[481] I bought just like a pair of boots.

[482] Oh, yeah, where'd you go?

[483] Ellen boots oh Alan boots yeah yeah yeah on Congress right yeah when I saw I was like holy fuck these things are beautiful oh it's a great that's a great place but now you know I live in Cali him I live like a little hipster cut pants colorful shit yeah you're gonna get hippie man I know you get tie die on and everything all the time but if you if that's that's what I come from I don't forget that it's still my soul like if I see a horse I get happy I want to ride it oh yeah now when you were little and you're your your brothers have you fight and you were fighting these homeless people did you have any kind of training zero zero zero so they were like just for fun tough people hey kid come on fight there was not like a bad bludder but and it was just like hey just crap for fun for fun like or they would put boxing gloves that sometimes you were like a sock with a bunch of socks inside that was a boxing glove oh my brother would be like come let me teach you and that's how move you get punched with the fist right Both black guys.

[484] My mom came home.

[485] What happened?

[486] Oh, my brother bit the fuck out of me. He was teaching me boxing.

[487] He didn't know shit.

[488] He was just telling me like, hey, come on, punch you with me. And then the socks would move.

[489] And he would just get straight knuckles.

[490] Straight knuckles in my face.

[491] But then by the time I was like seven or eight, there was a karate school right in front of my house.

[492] I will beg my mom, please, please, please.

[493] Like, literally, you can walk there.

[494] And she was like, no, I don't like fighting, blah, you know, typical mom.

[495] one day she agreed okay let's go they pay for the month I get my kimono they showed me like jab cross spinning wheel kick the next day in the school I told my friend it wasn't even a fight you say hey stand there let me show you what I learned one two spinning wilkie to his stomach the kid was crying karate was gone karate was fucking gone I fucking told you you punch your friend I'm like I didn't do it because I'm a bad kid I want to show them what I learn but I kick him like He was a boxing back.

[496] I just went full blast.

[497] Jab crosses spitting to the stomach.

[498] That kid was crying.

[499] And then my mom was like, that's a wrap, no more.

[500] So they never let me train.

[501] I would beg them for training.

[502] So when did you first start formally training?

[503] When I was 16 years old, my neighbor told me like, yo, this is you did to gym.

[504] It's really good.

[505] I know you like fighting.

[506] I know you're fighting all the time.

[507] You should come.

[508] That would probably calm you down.

[509] They'll calm you down.

[510] I went with him one day.

[511] I paid for the full month.

[512] Like, right away, not try class, not nothing.

[513] Since that day, until today, yo, I haven't stopped training.

[514] Wow.

[515] But my family, I get it why they never support me at the beginning.

[516] They were like, nah, they told that I was a boy in college.

[517] I was just different.

[518] You know, my sister and my brother, they graduate from high school, straight to college.

[519] Both have the degree, normal people, smart people.

[520] I wasn't the case.

[521] I was getting in trouble all the time.

[522] You know, cops, school, everywhere I go, there was an issue.

[523] My group of friends were fucking maniacs.

[524] Not that it didn't help either.

[525] So when I started fighting, and I was like, okay, no more crazy life, no more bullshit.

[526] I want to fight.

[527] They were like, oh, no, no, if you get better at this, you're going to hurt people.

[528] You're a dumb.

[529] You wouldn't want this for you.

[530] And I was like, no, if I started doing this, it's because I really want it.

[531] They didn't believe it, but it's because all the bad things I already did come until this point.

[532] By the moment I started training, everything around my life is tough.

[533] Like, no more party, no more outside life, no more skateboarding, no more surfing.

[534] I left everything.

[535] And I focus on Jiu -Jitu to become a fighter.

[536] And since that day, I touched that gym, never stopped coming.

[537] And this was this place in Ecuador, who was running it?

[538] It's my first Jiu -2 coach is Fernando Suluzo.

[539] This guys came from Fabio Grigel in Brazil.

[540] Oh, wow.

[541] So he came from, this guy is legit.

[542] He came from the times like when Marcelo Garcia, Galbao.

[543] All those guys were competing, he came from the same, like the same age.

[544] So he came from a good group.

[545] He's really close to Damien, like very close.

[546] Oh, wow.

[547] So he came to Ecuador to decide to open a school and he put Jiu -Gi -2 on the mat because, because he came from Brazil.

[548] If he would never came, why did he decide to go to Ecuador?

[549] I have no idea.

[550] He just came one day and never left.

[551] Wow.

[552] And until this day, he's still teaching.

[553] And he was fighting to.

[554] He was fighting to show people, like, look, I'm not that good in the striking, but with my Jiu -Gi, too, I can win fights.

[555] And for me, I was like, easy road.

[556] I want to come and do this.

[557] But before he gets to know who I am, I come to the gym, and say, hey, man, my name is Chito.

[558] I want to be a J .C. fighter.

[559] He's like, fuck off, kid.

[560] It's like, what do you train?

[561] Are you a boxer?

[562] Are you a kick boxer?

[563] No, I'm nothing.

[564] But I want to be a UFC fighter.

[565] So I came saying that to everybody.

[566] I want to be a UFC fighter.

[567] And people you would laugh about it's like, dude, you're nothing.

[568] You never train your life.

[569] It doesn't matter.

[570] I want to be a UFC fighter.

[571] And the first day I showed up to school.

[572] That was it.

[573] And then the year later, I graduated from high school.

[574] I was coming twice a day, every day.

[575] it's almost like at the beginning we're like fuck off kid we don't want you here you're like annoying i never stop coming until this day i never stopped that's a minute well you had a vision i i just saw the ufc i saw pri fc i saw strike force and i was like wait a minute i don't need to go to college that's it did you remember the first event that you saw yes it was gsp i watched a lot of old ones but life it was gps kocchic if I'm not wrong, the first one.

[576] GSP, Josh Koste.

[577] Yeah, and I told myself, I want to be like that guy.

[578] That was a rough one, because Kostchik got that broken orbital and his eyes swole up.

[579] I think that was the second one.

[580] Was it?

[581] Yeah, I'm a nerd.

[582] Jamie, tell us.

[583] GSP and Kosteck fought twice.

[584] Yeah, one was the ultimate fighter, and the other one was a regular one, if I'm not wrong.

[585] The regular one is not the one you saw?

[586] You saw the Ultimate Fighter one?

[587] Which one did you see?

[588] If I'm not run, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, I'm the, Orbital with the front Superman was the second one.

[589] Yes, it was the second one.

[590] Yeah, I watched the first one.

[591] Oh.

[592] That's the one that gets me like, oh, wow, look at the guy.

[593] I want to be like that when I grew up.

[594] And also, I started shaving my head.

[595] I shaved my head the first 10, even my UFC debuted.

[596] I had a full -down shave it, like, just like that.

[597] I can't remember Josh Koshchek's first fight with GSP.

[598] This is UFC 74.

[599] Was your image of me?

[600] No, I was trying to find the images.

[601] I just have.

[602] God, I don't remember that.

[603] that fight.

[604] I'm trying to remember that fight.

[605] Yeah, his ultimate fighter finale.

[606] What happened?

[607] Decision.

[608] Both of them decision, right?

[609] The second one was a rough one.

[610] That was the one where Koshchek, it was fucked up because he couldn't even fly.

[611] He had to get his, his eye operated on, and I believe they drove.

[612] Superman, Superman.

[613] I think that was Montreal, right?

[614] It was in Toronto.

[615] Should be, because the first one was a small one.

[616] It was either Montreal or Toronto, but he had to drive.

[617] I remember it was Canada.

[618] And it might have been, was that the one where he fought in front of 60 ,000 people at the Roger Center?

[619] It was huge.

[620] Yeah, one of those.

[621] That one was crazy.

[622] And being a kid from Ecuador, I told myself, I want to be that.

[623] I have the entire fucking nation just screaming for myself.

[624] Because he inspired me in a good way.

[625] Like, I was like, I want to be that.

[626] Yeah.

[627] Like, almost like, teach me how to win fight to just be watching him over.

[628] And I was like, fuck, I want to be like this guy.

[629] But then I would like watch WEC, Pride FC.

[630] I would just so much of a big fan of the sport that helped me become a pro fighter easily.

[631] So you were in Ecuador, you were training Jiu -Jitsu.

[632] When did you have your first fight?

[633] Literally a year after the first day I stepped in the gym.

[634] I was a bluebell.

[635] I was training a little bit of kickboxing.

[636] And this guy came like, hey, somebody get hurt.

[637] You want to fight?

[638] And I was like, okay, who's this other guy?

[639] He's like, I used a kid like you.

[640] He practiced kickboxing.

[641] You're a kid.

[642] You do Jiu -J -2.

[643] It's going to be fun.

[644] I fly to Kito, the capital, with one of my friends.

[645] I have to make my mom sign a contract because, of course, I was underage.

[646] I told my mom my was a J -Git -T tournament.

[647] Later, they didn't read.

[648] She signed it.

[649] I flew to Kito.

[650] And then I was like, what the fuck I'm doing here?

[651] It was like, it was a mechanic, a car mechanic.

[652] They put a rope.

[653] with a bunch of uh shit so you don't see the mechanics eye they put up they put four walls like making of a cage it looks like a rooster cage the ground was the mats the squares that have like the cookies puzzle mats and a fucking metal cage well the metal was going like that so if you get too close to the cage you're cut really yes and then i was like okay there's no way in there's no locker room it's a fucking mechanic panic.

[654] The keto, the capital, it's cold, too.

[655] There's no heater.

[656] I show up with a fucking hoodie on my shorts.

[657] I was like, what the fuck I'm doing here?

[658] I was like, okay, who's my opponent?

[659] I don't see no kids in here.

[660] All grown men with tattoos looking mean.

[661] And then I asked a guy that contact me for the family.

[662] I'm like, yo, who I'm fighting?

[663] See the guy there with a dread?

[664] I was like, he's not a fucking kid.

[665] He's like, ah, it's okay.

[666] You should be fine.

[667] And we were the main event.

[668] I didn't use shit.

[669] You were the main event?

[670] Yeah, but it's a, this is no license.

[671] This is a homie making fights in the back of the mechanic.

[672] Right.

[673] So I wrap my hands with just regular handwraps, put it on.

[674] I don't have a mouthpiece with me. They bought them to buy one, boil it, put in my mouth.

[675] And I'm okay, it's your turn.

[676] Go.

[677] No warm up, not nothing.

[678] Not nothing.

[679] I was a UG2 kid showing up to this MMA show.

[680] This fucker throw is spinning wheel to my face.

[681] I closed my eyes and shoot a double leg.

[682] And that thing just touched my hair.

[683] And I was like, okay, I'm not going to strike with this guy because I don't know how to strike.

[684] So for one round, I tried to take him down over and over and over.

[685] And Kito is like just like Mexico City's high altitude.

[686] First round is over.

[687] My throat on my lungs were dry.

[688] I told my friend like, bro, what the fuck?

[689] I don't want to be here.

[690] He's like, no, you're there.

[691] Don't be a fucking pussy.

[692] Go on fight.

[693] I'm like, what should he do?

[694] Just keep taking him down.

[695] You get two wins all the time.

[696] That's what he told me. And I was like, okay, I guess you're right.

[697] Went back in the second round, take him down, Amber him.

[698] When I tap him out, there's no feeling like that.

[699] That was my first MMA win.

[700] I was the most high natural drug I ever took in my life was winning that day by Amber.

[701] And I told myself, I would put everything on the world that affects to be a good athlete aside and since that day I started training like like a manning like non -stop so everything that could possibly get in the way of that you put that aside everything everything like hey bro there's a good thing tonight no like my girlfriend which is my wife now she was she knew like I was like it was fighting I was obsessed I'm gonna marry to the UFC and here we are and where were you you said you weren't training very much striking.

[702] Did you start training striking after that?

[703] So this Jiu -G -Ferlanzulu have like a kickboxing coach in the side that he will use for himself and some other guys and I started training with them in the MMA class in the mornings.

[704] So these guys like have some kickboxing skills and also was like a brown belt at the time in Jiu -Jito.

[705] So he would put together some classes but M .M .A class was shingers and gloves just beat the share of each other.

[706] so there was no like strategy technique oh no like the technique back then was like high kick back on four five in the rounds okay uh switch kick back on four job back you know it's like it was a beginner class and back then mma was blind in echo and what year was this this is 2012 2012 yeah this is because i make my ufc debut 2014 oh this is way before then Fuck, it's a long time ago.

[707] So the Jiu -Jitsu was legit.

[708] People were winning in Brazil, people were winning in the U .S., in the Panams, in the worlds.

[709] But M .M .A. was blind.

[710] Did you have to combine this stuff yourself, like the transitions between the kicks and punches and the takedowns, or did they have any strategy for that?

[711] The Jiu -Jitsu coach Fernando, he would be like, okay, jab to the takedown.

[712] Jabler is who to the tech, like, you know, like very old -school basic.

[713] Right.

[714] You know, if somebody throw the low kick, run the takedown.

[715] Or we would do days that we're only sparring the wall, trying to take somebody down.

[716] But it wasn't like what I have right now.

[717] Like a full -on class technique, you do this, you have to do that.

[718] There was an experience.

[719] This guy, Soluzzo, he was a fighter himself, but he was winning with Judito.

[720] He was going full -on, take -down and submit the guy as soon as he get down.

[721] A couple of fights he couldn't take the guy down, they were bad fights for him.

[722] Yeah.

[723] But it was just the old days.

[724] The old days, yeah.

[725] MMA wasn't big in Ecuador.

[726] Nobody would see the UFC.

[727] So they didn't know what you were trying to do?

[728] When I told my dad, I want to be a UFC fighter, he was like, UFC.

[729] What the fuck is that?

[730] And I was like, UFC, he's on TV.

[731] He's like, there's a lot of things in TV, a kid.

[732] And I was like, you don't get it.

[733] Like, it was just not popular.

[734] It was hard to support a kid that wanted to do that.

[735] It was just like, what is that?

[736] UFC.

[737] Oh, catch fighting.

[738] Oh, awesome.

[739] So, we basically figured it out in the process.

[740] That's all by the time the UFC contacted me to send me to Albuquerque to the Latin American program with all the, with Jair, with all the Mexicans.

[741] Yeah.

[742] What year was that?

[743] That was 2014.

[744] So only a couple of years into your, you're fighting career at all?

[745] I was six and one.

[746] Wow.

[747] 19 fights in the UFC right now.

[748] Wow.

[749] So I triple.

[750] I almost triple my record inside the UFC that's why I kind of take proud on it because most people like made it like me win one, lose one, get caught.

[751] Yeah.

[752] Because I was so young.

[753] When I make my UFC debut in Mexico I barely knew what I was doing.

[754] I was just like I was in Jackson for six months.

[755] In six months you don't get better.

[756] I was motivated because I was with John Jones with Cowboy, you know, even Dodson wasn't his prime.

[757] Holy Homer was around.

[758] So I was like, fuck, I'm turning with all these people.

[759] I'm going to kick ass.

[760] And then my coach from Ecuador came and he's like, hey, they did everything wrong.

[761] I'm going to fix it for you.

[762] I was like, what you mean?

[763] He was trying to take credit for everything.

[764] But just that alone, fuck me in the head.

[765] I was like, what a minute?

[766] I thought I was.

[767] What did he think they were doing wrong?

[768] He was just make sure he controlled everything.

[769] So if I lose, see, Greg Jackson made you lose.

[770] If you win, oh, I fix it on fire week.

[771] Which is, now I'm a grown man. And I understand what bullshit means.

[772] I was a kid back there.

[773] I was 21, you know.

[774] So I was just trying to figure it on the go.

[775] There's a lot of coaches that do that, man. That didn't last much.

[776] After that fight, we had one more fight and I was like, I told my money, hey, that's a wrap.

[777] I need to get out of Ecuador.

[778] If I stay here, I'm done.

[779] Even the youths he told me like hey Sean basically told me like I believe in you But if you don't get out of Ecuador You're done And because of your relationship with your coach It was pretty shitty relationship with the coach This is not a Jiu -Gi2 guy This is the MMA guy It was very shitty and low level He would like play tricks Play mind games like hey like I see this in my dreams I'm saying oh He had dreams?

[780] Oh yeah Oh fuck Yeah it's a bullshit But the sooner and my family was like tell me about it all the time like watch out be careful it's just weird the way the way he control you and I will kind of like put myself against my family and no you guys are wrong he's right that happens a lot to guys early in their career if they get unlucky they can get hooked up with the wrong coach it was my first MMA coach that's why I get hooked with him and I will believe anything he says yeah it's so common man you get a talented guy that gets hooked up at some point you know He actually did help on some things.

[781] But the amount of power he wants over me is what fucks everything.

[782] But that's what a low -level guy will do.

[783] A low -level guy that sees potential in a guy like you and thinks this is his ticket.

[784] You know, the moment I realized everything was shit was the moment he asked for 50%.

[785] Yes.

[786] I was, and I paid 50 % of one fight and having nothing on my pocket after that.

[787] 50 fucking percent I know yeah but oh my god those learning experience thank God happened early so by the time I am right now here I'm not getting bullshit you know I'm I'm working I'm working hard everybody gets paid but that also teach me a lot 50 % is crazy talk oh it's when I when my dad find out is like bro you're getting raped with not condom and I was like I get super mad about it because I was defending my old coach instead of like listen to them when he said he wanted 50 % what was that conversation like like what was he saying exactly I remember I was watching fights on TV and he went and he texted me hey I saw this interview with Ronda Rosie this is when Ronda was on top of the world and she said all the successes because of coach and she paid him 50 % so you want to do that and I was like yeah sure he had me hooked so whatever he said I have to accept it but then now that I'm here today I'm like Rhonda wasn't paying 50 % Yeah that's horses There's a standard It's like 10 % Yeah 12 some comes But all those things took me to where I am today Yeah Well it's good sometimes to be bullshitted Like it's good to have a bad girlfriend so you recognize what a good girlfriends are like It's good to have a bad manager So you realize what a good one's like It's true no So everything happened, you know, they say it's kind of silly, everything happened for a reason.

[788] Yeah.

[789] You are also an idiot for later that happened to you, but you learn from that.

[790] If you learn from that, it's good.

[791] Yeah, everybody's an idiot at one point in life.

[792] But the problem is when it happens twice.

[793] Then you're a real idiot.

[794] Then you're a real idiot.

[795] Yeah.

[796] Well, some people just get, they get emotionally connected to a manager or to a coach, and then they really have a hard time breaking up with them.

[797] Like, some people, they get their hooks in deep.

[798] I was pretty hooked, yeah.

[799] Yeah.

[800] It happens, man. Like, there's been world champions that have ruined their career because they had a bad coach.

[801] Because they didn't go with the real camp and they had one strategy that was winning for a while but there's these holes in that strategy that someone recognized but they didn't.

[802] That's exactly what you used to think about it.

[803] You always will win from the guard with a triangle.

[804] And I have like six triangles, like early.

[805] And then it's like, that's it.

[806] You just need that.

[807] And then you're married to the UFC.

[808] You fight some high caliber.

[809] And then that triangle.

[810] triangle is fucking not working at all.

[811] There's a few guys that have a technique that they just did over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

[812] And there's a point.

[813] Did you ever see Paul Sass fight?

[814] I know the name.

[815] He's got like a hundred fucking triangle winds.

[816] He was always catching people with triangles.

[817] Like if you got that guy on his back, you were fucked.

[818] Yeah.

[819] It's a rare moment.

[820] Like some people, they just develop this one technique that's so goddamn shark.

[821] Remember Cody McKenzie?

[822] You had the McKinze team.

[823] Like a high album.

[824] Catch everybody in the guillotine.

[825] Yeah.

[826] The person would stop working.

[827] Yeah.

[828] Then you're fucked forever.

[829] Yeah, but it's funny how some people, how far they can get with one technique.

[830] Yeah.

[831] You know?

[832] My first five fight, they were basically all triangle choked.

[833] Really?

[834] Yeah.

[835] I have like six triangle chokes.

[836] I was like one in the UFC.

[837] And then the first time I lost in the UFC.

[838] I threw like three triangles, didn't work.

[839] And then I was looking to the corner like, hey, this is not working.

[840] What the fuck should you do now?

[841] I didn't have any other technique.

[842] So how did you get to Jackson's?

[843] I was driving.

[844] I got a call from a number that says USA.

[845] And I was like, weird.

[846] I'm from Ecuador.

[847] So I pick up and say, hey, Marlon, you've been selected to be in the UFC.

[848] And then I fucking almost crashed.

[849] When they said UFC, my dick got hard.

[850] I was like, what the fuck.

[851] So this was Ultimate Fighter number one, Latime.

[852] Yeah, the first Latin American ultimate fighter.

[853] So you're selected to go to the Ultimate Fighter.

[854] So you have to go to Jackson's and train.

[855] And if you're good, they put you on.

[856] If you're bad, they train you until you're good.

[857] And there's two options.

[858] You either make it or will you send you back?

[859] And I was getting some pictures with my friend to send to Mexico to defend my belt.

[860] I had a bell in Mexico I'd have to defend in December against this ex -bellator guy.

[861] So that was a big fight because if you win that fight against an American, you're pretty much in the UFC.

[862] The way things work, right?

[863] Because I used to make my own fights.

[864] I used to contact every single promoter on South America, tell them I will fight for free just because I want to let myself know to people and be in the JFC one day.

[865] So I make their job easy because back then you were making $500.

[866] Anyway.

[867] So like, don't pay me nothing.

[868] saying me a flyer with this flyer I ask sponsors to pay for my ticket my hotel and I go and fight and I'll have people get to know who I am so I was sent I was I take those pictures sent to the promoting Mexico and I literally the moment and send the email my phone rings and I was like hello hey Marlon we call regardless from the UFC you're being selected I hit the curve boom my tired explode I was like UFC are you the fucking UFC.

[869] And they're like, yeah, you've been so like, I was like, hey, if this is a joke, I'm going to kill you.

[870] Because I was, I somehow, my sister and my brother, they're fucking dicks in a good way.

[871] And I was like, they're probably fucking with me. Because this is a, this is a good story.

[872] This happened.

[873] Were they speaking to you in Spanish?

[874] Yes.

[875] So I was like, fuck.

[876] If this is my sister and my brother, I'm going to burn them alive.

[877] But my, my dad told me, hey, this is the last year you have to try this.

[878] After this, you find a real job.

[879] you work for me or you leave the house.

[880] And you're 21 at the time?

[881] That was 20.

[882] And this is November, like the last couple days of November, he told me you got until December.

[883] December 2nd is my birthday.

[884] December 1st, like the bank is closed for you.

[885] You either work or you're fuck.

[886] And I know my dad is a hardcore old school guy.

[887] I know there's no change for that.

[888] So this was my last chance.

[889] This fighting in December, I don't know.

[890] time in December.

[891] That was my last chance to marry to the JFC.

[892] So when these people call me, this is the last week of November.

[893] So I was like, fuck, this could be my sister and my brother you's fucking with me. And I hit the curve.

[894] The tire explode.

[895] I park.

[896] And I was like, okay, are you real the UFC?

[897] Yeah, you've been selected.

[898] You have to fly to Abu Kerkirki, train, and they will check your email.

[899] You will have info to file on for your ticket.

[900] and blah blah blah cool this my my dad was ready it's like to stop supporting me and I was ready married I have one daughter so my dad was helping me to so I can train all day he was like helping me with with my rent helping me with some food but just like basic essentials like I'll have to figure it out the rest and he told me December 1st game kid you're done you find a job and fuck that fighting dream I call him the fucking UFC called me his party was like fuck I'm fuck now and I was like that they called me I'm gonna leave Tobukirky I'm gonna make it and we all will be good I fucking make it I love you thanks for everything you did for me blah blah blah I drove straight to my wife and I was like hey I'm leaving to Abu Kirkland for six months I regular wife will be like freaking out the smile on her face just make my day six months six months you gotta leave So I trained for those six months there And then the finale of the Ultimate Fire was in November When It was at Mark Hahn and Verdun So That was Mexico City Yes Yeah So we went to Ultimate Fighter I was there for that one I know That's what hurt me the most Not just not winning But not getting to talk to you that day I swear to God I was so upset And I really thought I won the fight It was a decision but I thought I did enough.

[901] I was kind of hype and then I was like, oh shit, whatever.

[902] That broke my heart in 20 ,000 pieces because it was my UFC debut.

[903] I made it to the UFC and I was like, fuck.

[904] I made all this and I'm a fucking loser.

[905] That loss make me like hard in a way.

[906] I was like, okay, no more fucking bullshit.

[907] No more weird coach, no more bullshit, no more whatever people say, I'm going to focus so hard that one day I'm going to go to be a world champion because it was like it was so much in the past like even what my dad did for me and my family my wife family what they did for her to stay with a guy that wasn't making a fucking dime just training all day like a maniac for a good reason so I was like if I get I make all that to come here and lose like this I'm a fucking failure so that right there kind of like give me the foundation to don't be a fucking loser.

[908] Like, literally, I was so hard at myself that I was like, I gotta get killed to lose again.

[909] Well, you were young and it's, you know...

[910] It was early.

[911] That was a very close fight.

[912] It was a very close fight.

[913] It was early, too.

[914] Just had experience, too.

[915] To be in Mexico City, in that huge arena, fighting in the UFC.

[916] What was that like?

[917] Just to step into the octagon like that?

[918] I woke out crying that day.

[919] I was crying in the walk out.

[920] I was like, Like, I was as a fan, as all I did to be there.

[921] I was like, I'm not going to, I'm not going to contend it.

[922] I'm not going to, like, not cry so people don't see me. I was full on crying walking to the cage.

[923] Wow.

[924] Because I was fighting.

[925] You remember that thing with my daughter for the surgery?

[926] Yes, yes.

[927] And then, you know, young Anik boys comes in the side on the big scream, fighting for his daughter's smile.

[928] And I was like, this fucking asshole right now.

[929] And I started crying.

[930] And I was like, fuck, I want to make this happen.

[931] Because that was all, back then I was making 8 and 8.

[932] Good luck finding 80 grand to pay that surgery.

[933] Right.

[934] So it was just a lot in my shoulders.

[935] And I told myself, I will never want to be the guy that my daughter is 18 year old and ask me, why you never did it for me?

[936] So I was like, doing that alone was bigger than being the UFC.

[937] I was like, I cannot have fun yet by achieve my dream of being here.

[938] I need to get that done first.

[939] And that was my first big thing.

[940] ever did in my life that was a big thing too that was a huge event that event in the ufc in mexico city that was wild it was huge the the ground was shaking yeah when i was walking out to the cage it was pack and i was the very first fight of the night there was no one soul that can get in there oh no it was oversold yeah it was pack yeah that arena is nice too that's a great arena yeah It's pretty nice.

[941] It's hard to fight in Mexico City, too.

[942] The altitude is, what is that, 7 ,000 feet?

[943] Yeah.

[944] I think it's right around there.

[945] It's that and Quito, but that helped me fought in Ecuador in the capital.

[946] It's just as high.

[947] Yeah.

[948] And Albuquerque's high, too, right?

[949] Albuquerque, it's a little lower, but it's high.

[950] 5 ,000 something?

[951] I think I got more red blood tests than the usual human being.

[952] They told me that when I was a kid.

[953] Really?

[954] In a, they made me blood test because I was sick, and the doctor freaked out and told my mom like, hey, something about cancer and I said, what the fuck?

[955] I freaked out and then when the results came out, it's like, okay, it's all normal.

[956] He used to have double the red blood cells of a normal human.

[957] Really?

[958] So does that translate into extra endurance?

[959] I will guess so.

[960] That's crazy.

[961] Where does it all go?

[962] If you have double the red.

[963] Hey, that's a doctor talking to my mom when I was a kid and I will never forget that.

[964] Have you had a blood test recently to check to see that's still the same?

[965] No, you should do that.

[966] Find out if the doctor was an idiot.

[967] Most likely it was.

[968] But I really remember it because I got a scare.

[969] He told my mom something is wrong with his blood.

[970] And I was like, oh my God.

[971] What the fuck?

[972] It was wrong with my blood.

[973] Oh, no. I was freaking out because my mom took me, they found some wheat on my backpack and they was like, make him a test.

[974] And then just from finding weed to hear something is wrong with his blood.

[975] I was like, wait, wait a minute.

[976] Like the weed's giving you cancer?

[977] They don't, you know.

[978] Right.

[979] No one knows.

[980] Ecuador and Donters.

[981] Right.

[982] That was probably a bet.

[983] Yeah.

[984] Jesus Christ.

[985] It was, yeah.

[986] But growing up, that's what I want.

[987] I'm like, oh, you got more red balls.

[988] I was like, whatever.

[989] So when you first started training at Jackson's, what was that experience like?

[990] Like, how much growing did you have to know?

[991] How much did you have to abandon of, like, the way you fought before?

[992] I was a white bill.

[993] Really?

[994] Really?

[995] Really.

[996] with blackbells i was lost the first day of us that was that trip to jackson's was my first ever aspiring like real aspiring like with a real fighter in front of me a real professional i was getting dropped left and right really i was getting kicked my leg and flying i was getting punching the stomach and crawling to the ground i was like my friends would text me like hey how's you having fun this fucking cowboy is there i was like forget about cowboy dude i'm getting my ass kicked by fucking a guy that have zero amateur fight I was getting tapped I was getting takedown I was getting fucking murdering the standard I wasn't I don't win a round like in the first 10 weeks wow it was awful 10 weeks are just getting your ass kick ass kick in every single practice even three story Mike Bali he was a striking coach there he put me aside one class and he's like he gives me this fucking dumb story like when I was a kid my dream was to be a baseball player blah blah blah and one day the coach told me I should find something else because it wasn't good enough and I decided to go to fight him instead of do baseball because I was so bad there so I would recommend you to find something else oh shit I look at him at the eye dead call and I say fuck you and I walk away but the only thing that I prize myself is like I was getting my ass kick everywhere, everywhere in every single class J -Gitu class tap like a fucking clapper striking class getting my ass kick resting class good luck I was blind everywhere but I never stopped coming to class on time and ready to go that never changed every morning every Tuesday morning cold mornings of sparring 9 .30 I was there warming up ready to go get my ass kick, go to the room, cry sometimes because I was realizing I suck at this, but keep coming, keep coming, keep coming.

[997] So two and a half months in, you start to see a change?

[998] A little bit.

[999] A little bit.

[1000] At least I get familiar with the guys that shoot and I shouldn't a sport.

[1001] I was like, you come here.

[1002] You're not that good.

[1003] I can run from you, but and this was, like, I trained with these guys for a month and they might want a straight to the ultimate fighter.

[1004] Wow.

[1005] So the other guys that were there, like Jair, they were Mexicans, they had there like a year already.

[1006] I was new there.

[1007] I was new meat.

[1008] I was there.

[1009] I didn't have time to get better.

[1010] You don't get better in a couple months.

[1011] No. Not in the M .A. Well, I mean.

[1012] You have to focus about everything.

[1013] Not, yeah, not when you're getting your ass kick, too.

[1014] I was getting my ass kick.

[1015] It's hard to get better when you're getting fucked up.

[1016] Like, people don't realize that.

[1017] Like, one thing that Eddie Bravo told me early on, He's like, trained with blue belts.

[1018] He goes, because you could tap them all the time.

[1019] Then you get all these reps in.

[1020] He goes, if you train with black belts, you're just defending and you're getting tapped a lot.

[1021] The Mendez brothers told me that.

[1022] I trained with them full time in Cali.

[1023] They told you that too?

[1024] They, the same Excel wars.

[1025] I came early for this podcast.

[1026] He came on Friday to train with Annaher.

[1027] Same exact thing.

[1028] So it's like, right there you got the three top three in the world.

[1029] Right.

[1030] And if they tell you that, it must be for a reason.

[1031] Yeah, there's a reason.

[1032] It's about reps. And it's also like you see that with young fighters.

[1033] You know, if you fight, that's the reason why boxing has a very smart strategy.

[1034] They match you up carefully until they get you prepared for a world -class opponent and then eventually for a title fight.

[1035] The thing about the UFC is they'll throw guys to the wolves very early on, especially if you're willing.

[1036] Because there's no bell system and it's not boxing system.

[1037] Well, it's also because there's a bunch of different promoters in boxing, and the whole key to make the most money is get your fighter undefeated when he gets to the title shot.

[1038] And the UFC, it's like, they get to make the call.

[1039] And if they call you up and they say, hey, Marlon, we have a fight and it's for, you know, it's a championship level fighter and you have four days notice.

[1040] And can you make weight?

[1041] You're like, what the fuck?

[1042] and maybe even drinking and maybe, you know, the tapas all the time.

[1043] All the time.

[1044] All the time.

[1045] Nate Diaz was drinking what they call him for Connor.

[1046] Yeah, there's drinking tequila in Mexico eating tacos.

[1047] I know.

[1048] Yeah, and then he goes, okay, and 11 days later, he's strangling Connor McGregor.

[1049] I know he's tacos, vegan tacos.

[1050] Yeah, no, he doesn't eat vegan.

[1051] They keep saying that.

[1052] That's not true.

[1053] I mean, he eats eggs and fish, and I mean, I don't know if he's still eating fish, but he certainly was at one point in time.

[1054] You know, but the vegans love to claim him.

[1055] It's hilarious.

[1056] They love to find the one person, because it's nonsense.

[1057] They always try to find this one person who's, like, elite on a vegan diet.

[1058] Like, look at an Aetian, look at he's done, look at he's done.

[1059] I remember that.

[1060] And I ask him personally, it's like, yeah, I eat a lot of vegetables, but I eat a lot of things.

[1061] I eat meat every day.

[1062] Do you?

[1063] Oh, full on revised left and right.

[1064] Is that most of your diet?

[1065] Like, out of camp, like, out of camp, I can eat whatever they want because they keep in a certain amount of diet.

[1066] I don't eat no sugar.

[1067] I rarely do a cheat meal, but I eat meat every day.

[1068] I do vegetable juices, avocados, like a lot of fats, a lot of protein, and some veggie juices.

[1069] Do you have a nutritionist or just, yeah?

[1070] Perfecting athletes.

[1071] We've been together for like 11 fights, so they know me, they know I'm not fucking around.

[1072] Like, they know I'm in Texas, and in the last four days I've been eating meat, eggs, veggie juices.

[1073] couple of smoothies always healthy there's no point to go a door away right no point it's just mouth pleasure and exactly the moment you swallow it you're fuck yeah yeah it feels good when it's in your mouth just spit it out Diego Sanchez just to do that he used to eat meat I mean he had this idea that meat was bad for you but you know he used to chew the meat and then spit it out Diego Sanchez he's so crazy I do at least two revise a day really oh yeah but I eat a bunch of avocados, a bunch of fruit, a bunch of veggie juices.

[1074] And then when I get a cold to fight, I'm not overweight.

[1075] I'm basically in shape.

[1076] I just add a bunch of veggies because my meals go smaller and smaller and smaller towards the end of camp.

[1077] What is your weight walking around normally?

[1078] Like 54, 53.

[1079] Okay, so you're cutting somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 pounds?

[1080] Yeah.

[1081] And what do you weigh like the week of the fight?

[1082] Like 45, 48.

[1083] Okay, so 10 pounds.

[1084] I got 10 to 11 pounds on Thursday night and make weight.

[1085] It's not easy.

[1086] I fucking deplete my body.

[1087] It's awful.

[1088] At the first couple pounds, I'm so mad when I start.

[1089] Because I start like, even if I set my mind this time, I want to be happy.

[1090] Fuck this shit.

[1091] Wakeers for bozzies, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[1092] But then the 45ers are like three times my size.

[1093] I think there should be no weight cutting.

[1094] No way going.

[1095] I really do.

[1096] I really do.

[1097] If you call me right now, hey, you're, If I didn't give me any name.

[1098] This guy waits between 155 -160, sign the contract.

[1099] Well, it's just, I think the UFC needs two things to happen.

[1100] They need more weight glasses and they need to stop cutting weight.

[1101] Those two things need to happen.

[1102] If they had a weight class every 10 pounds, a person could adjust their diet, adjust their body fat, adjust the amount of cardio they do, and naturally bring their body to a healthy weight and know what weight class you fit in.

[1103] when I make when I'm cutting away and I get to 140 I'm kind of strong after that I'm fuck but I know any other bantam is doing the same so it's like nobody's doing I think I give one of the better diet outside but if if you see regular fighters outside camp they're eating cookies and fucking Coca -Cola yeah they're not eating well most of them are the ones I know they're eating shit I won't name them It's just the whole thing is crazy, because it doesn't make any sense.

[1104] It's the worst thing you could ever do 24 hours before you have a fight.

[1105] The worst thing you could ever do is completely deplete yourself.

[1106] You might as well get drunk.

[1107] I mean, it's just as bad for you.

[1108] You took all the water from your brain.

[1109] Yeah.

[1110] Then you get punched in the beer, you're gone.

[1111] And you can't even use an IV.

[1112] You have to replenish everything by drinking the fluids.

[1113] Anyway, most of my, even when IV was legal, I really use them.

[1114] Because I drink the first three, four hours.

[1115] Like, perfecting athletes told me, like, for each hour, 500 milligram, you will fully absorb it.

[1116] Because if you go crazy and you drink half a gallon, you're fucked.

[1117] You just pee it out.

[1118] Right.

[1119] You got to make sure you observe it.

[1120] And I'm not a doctor.

[1121] They have to drink it slowly.

[1122] They are.

[1123] Yeah.

[1124] But when you make weight, you're desperate.

[1125] You're craving for, you will drink your own pee by then.

[1126] So, like, they told me, like, I bring one of the ladies with me on weighing day.

[1127] I don't bring my coaches.

[1128] and they say, stop.

[1129] They put a timer, okay?

[1130] How are you feeling good?

[1131] Drink again.

[1132] They bring me some eggs, some fruit.

[1133] But then when I see it wrong, the fighters are just eating bringles or saltish.

[1134] I'm like, I just drive me crazy.

[1135] I'm like, what are you fucking doing?

[1136] And when you weigh in, how many hours after you weigh in, do you start to feel good again?

[1137] Like three hours later, my eyes are not sock anymore.

[1138] My face looks normal again.

[1139] But I drink.

[1140] I drink for two hours, just liquid.

[1141] I do between watermelon juice, vegetable juices, orange juice, grape juice, and then water.

[1142] I don't stop drinking water until I live to the ruin.

[1143] And do you put anything in the water?

[1144] Do you have like electrolytes?

[1145] We call it like the natural gatorade.

[1146] We put honey, salt, and lime in a full gallon.

[1147] and that's my how I rehydrate.

[1148] I don't use no powders, like no bullshit.

[1149] But I eat this way the whole year.

[1150] Like if I do my 13 mile run, that's what I'm drinking when I'm done.

[1151] So your body's accustomed to it.

[1152] I'm accustomed to it, yeah.

[1153] What drives me also crazy is when a fighter caught 10, 20 pounds, then the first meal is a fucking pizza or a cheeseburger.

[1154] I'm like, holy shit.

[1155] I love to fight those guys because you attack the stomach is over.

[1156] Like, if I'm not eating that out of camp, what make you think that's the way to recovery?

[1157] Right.

[1158] I'm eating a full ribeye, lamb chops, like all the fats I can, eggs, fruit, and I feel great.

[1159] And when you wake up, fight day, you feel 100%, do you feel 80 %?

[1160] No?

[1161] No. I don't think, I think it's hard to feel 100 % after, in 24 hours you're in recovery.

[1162] That's so crazy.

[1163] It's just like you mentally, you tell yourself, like, hey, I'm ready to die.

[1164] Do you think it's possible to change MMA?

[1165] I mean, what is one FC doing?

[1166] Because one FC has no weight cuts, right?

[1167] Yeah, I was talking a little bit with Gary Tonin about it.

[1168] Yeah?

[1169] They're still fucking around with weight cut.

[1170] How are they doing that?

[1171] He explained me in a way that they test you two times, and then you have to, like, it's almost like you drink a lot of water before you cut a little bit.

[1172] It's tricky.

[1173] they take a little bit away but people men will always find a way to be bigger and cheat a little bit We're coding is cheating to me Yeah I think it's sanction cheating It's like It's like if I wait 155 In my daily basis I fight anybody That natural weight between 150 and 160 Easy because when I'm sparring I'm sporting guys that wait 170 in natural Yeah But I'm healthy too.

[1174] I'm on my natural weight.

[1175] That's fine.

[1176] So 10 pound gap is not an issue.

[1177] When you're healthy.

[1178] When you're healthy.

[1179] What do you think what percentage do you deplete yourself?

[1180] Like when you show up on fight day, you're definitely depleted because of the weight cut.

[1181] But what percentage?

[1182] You think you deplete yourself by 10 %?

[1183] I think I walk to the cage feeling between 85 % and 90 % on on a hundred but it's also my lifestyle there's there's no drinking right there's no fucking around I go to bed before 10 like the the scientists that you have here a while ago the scientist doctor like not close on leave your phone an hour before bed don't have a full stomach right put socks on be most likely yeah that's Matthew Walker that that episode shout out to that guy he's a motherfucker that was a big episode he changed my life a lot He changed a lot of people's lives.

[1184] A lot of people recognize, like, the importance of sleep from that.

[1185] I don't have a TV on my room since, and that's, like, three years ago.

[1186] There's only TV in the living room, the, you know, the AC.

[1187] I like to sleep cold, which is say that.

[1188] But, like, it's just, and then I don't really need to take a day off because of that.

[1189] Because you're not overtrained.

[1190] If you go to sleep on bed and you don't have night life and you're not fucking around, you can train hard every day yeah there's days that you pull a little down then you pull back up but if you go to bed on time and you have a clean lifestyle you pretty much have a good longevity well you know that's one the donner don of her people they all train every day I train there Friday Saturday Sunday Monday yeah 365 days a year he told me no days off he goes I go Christmas no no days off I go what about when you're tired train light just train easy I do that I train on Christmas Day, New Year's Eve.

[1191] I don't really, I'm a holiday person.

[1192] That's what my wife hate about me. I'm like, she's like, Christmas comes.

[1193] I'm like, good Lord.

[1194] I'm the fucking Grinching that way.

[1195] But training wise, every day.

[1196] Yeah.

[1197] Because there's always something you can do.

[1198] Or your arm hurt, do squats.

[1199] Your leg hurts, punch.

[1200] Right.

[1201] You can always do something.

[1202] And that's what Kobe Bryant always said.

[1203] Yeah.

[1204] By the time you and your opponent are about to compete, I have five years ahead because it's waking up earlier and having more time.

[1205] And I do that.

[1206] Like sometimes I wake up 4 in the morning and go for my run.

[1207] Then I just have to work on a skill.

[1208] My car is done.

[1209] But how many people is going to bed on time?

[1210] That's also the biggest one.

[1211] Now, when you are in camp or just in general, what do you do for recovery?

[1212] Are you getting regular massages?

[1213] Are you?

[1214] Yeah, I definitely do the massages.

[1215] I go to, like the PT, they use the, you know, if something hurts, do the wave, shocks, or steams.

[1216] I do a lot of hyperberg chamber for the head a lot.

[1217] How often do you do that?

[1218] Weekly.

[1219] Weekly.

[1220] How many times?

[1221] Once a week.

[1222] Once a week?

[1223] For how long?

[1224] For like 90 minutes.

[1225] And how many atmospheres, two?

[1226] Say that again?

[1227] Atmospheres?

[1228] Like, you know, like, they can get it up to, like, the one that I go to get you to 2 .2 if you need it.

[1229] I do it at two, two atmospheres.

[1230] It's like, it's important, like, how many, um, how, like, they have home units that are not that strong.

[1231] Yeah, the ones that are the ones.

[1232] Yeah, those are the ones you want.

[1233] I say 90 minute in that thing.

[1234] I don't know what they do, how they control it.

[1235] I used to get myself in there.

[1236] Yeah, I do 90 minutes as well.

[1237] They have some that only do like one and a half atmospheres.

[1238] The idea is like, here's the amount of oxygen in a normal atmosphere and they jack it up to two to double the amount of oxygen in an atmosphere.

[1239] And it's pressurized inside there.

[1240] Yeah.

[1241] Yeah.

[1242] And I think the idea.

[1243] Is it being underwater.

[1244] Yeah, like being underwater with scuba tanks.

[1245] You know what's interesting this lady who's my doctor told me that one of the people that she used to do this with, they used to do scuba.

[1246] They were scuba divers, and these guys would get drunk, and then to recover from being drunk, they would go scuba diving.

[1247] And I go, why?

[1248] She goes, because you're down there breathing basically pure oxygen, and you're deep below the water, and it's so much oxygen, it's like getting into yourself.

[1249] I never talk to the guys, like I talk to them, but the face one, face two, it's just the huge metal ones.

[1250] I know for a fuck it's a good one.

[1251] Yeah.

[1252] I do it once a week.

[1253] Once a week for 90 minutes.

[1254] And then I do massages, ice bat, guarantee.

[1255] I have a sound at home that I torture myself every day.

[1256] Yeah, son is big.

[1257] It's game changer.

[1258] If you're going to spend your money, spending right, a son is key.

[1259] It's key.

[1260] And there's so many athletes that don't use a son.

[1261] I'm like, my God, you're crazy.

[1262] Dan Gable said that he learned that from the Europeans, that the Eastern Europeans were all using sauna in training.

[1263] And he was like, it's like, why are we not using this in America?

[1264] This is kind of crazy.

[1265] It improves your endurance.

[1266] Exactly.

[1267] And I don't do it when I lift weight.

[1268] I do it after I do cardio, so I keep my heart rate high.

[1269] Yeah.

[1270] Ronda Patrick went over that.

[1271] Yeah.

[1272] And I was like, oh, lady, thanks for the advice.

[1273] Yes.

[1274] She keeps the heart rate going.

[1275] And it's hard to do.

[1276] You know, when you go in there, I like to drink a lot of water before I do it.

[1277] So I'll do my cardio, like a lot of, I really love to do it on days I do rounds in the bag.

[1278] Do a lot of cardio run and then get in there and you don't want to fucking be in there, man. You're like, oh, Jesus, because your heart's already trying to recover.

[1279] And then you're at 185 degrees.

[1280] I love it.

[1281] Yeah.

[1282] I do it every day.

[1283] And it really does maintain your heart rate.

[1284] And I've found it makes my cardio much better.

[1285] And also, like if I'll take time off a car.

[1286] cardio like if I hurt something and then I have to take a couple weeks off I don't lose much no you don't lose much because you're in the son all the time yeah I get in that thing almost every day I just when she speak about it in the days you do a physical stretch don't do it that's the only thing I change in my in my daily stuff because I was like might as well she knows more than me I've been doing it I love it out like in Texas it gets kind of cold at night in the in the winter time here so it's like 40 degrees at night so what I like to do is I get in there at night time and I get in there outside I got one a barrel song that I put outside I get it's 185 degrees I get to 25 minutes and I just like I just look at my watch I'm like Jesus Christ when I was 25 minutes and hit that 25 minutes and then I just lay out in the grass cool grass stare at the stars is the fucking way I do that because mine's right in the patio I feel so good too it makes me feel better and it makes me think like I think about life you know because the toxins that stop you for feeling good, you just let it go.

[1287] Yeah, but I always have to make sure that I'm not lying down a dog shit.

[1288] That's important.

[1289] I've got to look down my press, scan with my phone, scan for dog shit.

[1290] You know what?

[1291] Then your day's ruined.

[1292] My dog will leave some presents for me. Then that you're fucking ruined your night.

[1293] Yeah, but it feels so good to lie in that grass and stare up at that sky and just like, ah.

[1294] That's one thing I do enjoy just watching this guy.

[1295] The stars are something.

[1296] They have something about it.

[1297] Yeah.

[1298] It's humbling.

[1299] It is.

[1300] Yeah.

[1301] Show you how small you are.

[1302] Yeah, well, that's also, you live in Costa Mesa, right?

[1303] You get to see the ocean.

[1304] The ocean's humbling, too.

[1305] I surf every day.

[1306] Do you really?

[1307] Oh, yeah.

[1308] Is you surf in Ecuador?

[1309] Yeah, I grew up surfing.

[1310] Oh, no kidding.

[1311] I get to went to Waco last week and surf.

[1312] Oh, you did that surf thing?

[1313] Yeah.

[1314] Oh, no shit.

[1315] It was, with the Ruka crew, it was so fucking red.

[1316] Well, I heard that's the best way to learn because you guaranteed waves.

[1317] Guaranteed wave and the ocean is tricky.

[1318] Like, I've been surfing for years.

[1319] And sometimes when I serve with pros, I can tell they move to the right, they move to the left, and they find a wave.

[1320] I'm still kind of lost in that way.

[1321] I'm like, like, they know, it's almost like they know where to paddle.

[1322] I'm like, motherfuckers.

[1323] Because I only serve with kids that they compete or, like, I get to serve with Kelly once, and I'm like, holy shit.

[1324] Shane Dorian's here tomorrow.

[1325] Is there tomorrow?

[1326] Yeah.

[1327] That's a bad motherfucker.

[1328] He's a bad motherfucker.

[1329] I grew up, when I was a kid, I used to tell me, say, you will never get to know Kelly's letter.

[1330] I can introduce you to him right now.

[1331] He's here.

[1332] He's here?

[1333] Yeah, he's in town.

[1334] I met him when I went to Kelly's pool.

[1335] I went and the first thing I'm saying, bro, I'm a fan of yours.

[1336] You know who I am?

[1337] I fucking love you.

[1338] Like, when I was a kid, those guys were my heroes.

[1339] Yeah.

[1340] Like, and now you get to, you know, I get to talk to Kelly or hang out with him or asking questions about competitions or shit like that.

[1341] I'm like, it's mind -blown.

[1342] It's like, it's humbling in a way.

[1343] Like, you get to a point that your heroes, you're able to talk.

[1344] to them sometimes it feels real friends it feels unreal sometimes oh my god man i have a problem with that i hear it all the time what you say it's in the back of my head when i get to meet somebody like that i'm like fuck is it aren't real man when i um i met willie d from the ghetto boys and i met him in houston when i did a show down there mind playing tricks on me yeah and he's i'm hanging out with him i'm like i was trying to explain it to him i'm like man when i was a kid and i was delivering newspapers i would listen to the ghetto boys i had i don't remember remember it was a cassette or a CD.

[1345] I don't remember.

[1346] But I'd listen to you guys over and over and over again.

[1347] And now you're right here.

[1348] In front of me. It was weird, man. I've met a lot of famous people, but he was one of the weird ones because I just listen to that thing so often, so many times.

[1349] It's crazy.

[1350] When I was surfing with Kelly, I was like, holy shit.

[1351] He invite me to his pool and I'm surfing with him.

[1352] I was like, I'm fucking alive or I'm just high at home?

[1353] It's still for me, man when I had Snoop here on the podcast recently that one was fuck too because I was way too high I was way too high and I was tripping out that it was Snoop dog that's the reason this is my first one I didn't bro the weed was I'm gonna talk to yo I wanna be sober the first time second time I'm gonna be high okay we'll do a second time we'll get blasted together I was thinking myself I'm like what about if you just get too high and you fucking blow just go sober and don't talk shit because when I'm high I just talk I'm talking now I'm the same person I'm pretty easy going but still you don't want to fuck that sometimes great things come out of your head when you're high though and then sometimes you just go off the rails you just never know it's more the good ones yeah I learned that with mushrooms when you eat them and you eat a little more than you should then your mind is just going well when you eat a little more than you should you should be alone you should just be alone and relax and think I do that when I'm at a friend's house and I know it's nobody there when my kids are around I use microdose.

[1354] microdosing is good.

[1355] Microdosing, I think, is the future.

[1356] I think a lot of people are going to microdose because it doesn't make your, it doesn't affect your cognitive ability in terms of, like, affect your judgment or affect the way you talk and the way you behave, but it elevates you.

[1357] It's like this gentle elevation a microdose does.

[1358] And I think, you know, there's, are you aware of Terence McKenna?

[1359] Yeah.

[1360] Do you know, the fighter, yeah.

[1361] No, no, no, no. That's Terrence McKinney.

[1362] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[1363] McKinley?

[1364] McKinney?

[1365] Oh, the mushroom guy?

[1366] Yeah, the mushroom guy.

[1367] Yeah, yeah.

[1368] Terrence McKenna is the guy who has this theory called the Stoned Ape Theory, and his brother Dennis is still alive.

[1369] His brother Dennis is brilliant, and his brother Dennis is a legitimate scientist, and he explained it on the podcast why it makes sense.

[1370] And the theory is, there's a real mystery in the development of the human species, and the mystery is the doubling of the brain over a period of two million years.

[1371] And it's unprecedented in the fossil record.

[1372] They've looked at all these different animals and how things changed and evolved and a lot of things are wild.

[1373] But to see a brain double in size over a relatively small period of time in terms of the fossil record, two million years is not that much time for something to change so radically.

[1374] And there's all these theories of why the human brain doubled.

[1375] Some people think it was hunting, It was maybe the throwing arm, learning how to throw things, and then developing projectiles and weapons.

[1376] Some people think that it was eating meat and learning how to cook it, and that learning how to cook it made the nutrients more bio -available, and it made people ingest more protein, and then there's this possibility of eating.

[1377] There's also weird theories, and they don't all hold up.

[1378] You know, they're all theories.

[1379] but the big one is mushrooms and it's a real controversial one because first of all the mushrooms is a silly subject to a lot of academics when they start thinking about the possibility of a brain doubling in size because of what they think of as a party drug the problem is a lot of these guys have never really truly experienced a breakthrough mushroom experience and if you have the best thing you can do well if you have you start going okay what is this and what is happening and it Maybe this is how human beings developed because what McKenna said is that the period that the human brain doubled, and I'm sorry if I'm butchering this, Dennis, the period that the human brain doubled coincides with the period that the rainforest receded into grasslands.

[1380] So as the climate changed, because, you know, throughout, I mean, we talk about climate change today, but climate has changed throughout history too.

[1381] The climate change today, the man -made climate change is a concern, but what I'm saying is that throughout the history of the earth has been radical shifts in the climate and they resulted in all these changes like the Sahara Desert used to be this great vast grasslands and green filled with trees and shit.

[1382] Well, at one point in time, the rainforests were ceded into grasslands and the human beings had to come down from the tree and they weren't human at the time.

[1383] They were, you know, Australia Pythicus and all these are the different pre -humans.

[1384] And they came down from the trees and they started experimenting with new food sources.

[1385] And one of the things that they believe happened is they've seen monkeys in the wild.

[1386] They will flip over cow patties and they'll eat like bugs and worms and different things that are growing underneath this cow shit.

[1387] But on those cow patties is also where mushrooms grow.

[1388] And they think that they started experimenting with these mushrooms.

[1389] mushrooms and the way they describe it is mushrooms in low doses like just eat a couple increases visual acuity so it would make you a better hunter because it makes you see things better it makes you like there was a famous god i'm trying to remember his name it's kind of like the blurr when you like when you touch the camera and it's perfect vision it's almost that that's that's what i feel when i take like the blurriness the fogginess goes away it cleans up um they recognize there was there's a study that these guys did i forget what the which scientist it was but they did a study on um edge detection so what they did was they had lines like parallel lines and then they moved one slightly and the people that were on mushrooms could tell before the people that were straight when the edge detect like consistently and so mushrooms increased visual acuity they also make you horny so they made one more like to breed and they also enhance creativity.

[1390] So they made them better at problem solving and they probably made them better at solving the complex problems of developing tools and weapons and language.

[1391] The mushrooms enhance the ability to connect sounds to ideas and to express those things.

[1392] So the idea is that these pre -humans ate these mushrooms, over, you know, a period of two million years, and their fucking brains grew.

[1393] That makes sense to me. It does make sense.

[1394] Everything you say makes sense because when I started taking them, I take younger, like, for fun, and I've been taking for the last two years, microdosings, and sometimes I eat a little more when I'm alone.

[1395] And your brain showed things, like, all the pathways that, you know, by stress or, you know, bad food or punches or whatever, you get, like, the blood don't flow.

[1396] The micro does make that go.

[1397] And then when you take a little bit and you feel like kind of high, it's when it's actually working in your brain.

[1398] Yeah.

[1399] So, but it's also caught with what you say.

[1400] It's a party drug for ignorant people.

[1401] Like they're like, oh.

[1402] Well, it's fun.

[1403] I mean, I think people, they take it because it's fun.

[1404] And it's not bad to have fun, you know?

[1405] And mushrooms, even though you're taking it to have fun, sometimes people have, they learn things from those experiences.

[1406] But I think if you want to be using, them correctly.

[1407] You should use them with reverence.

[1408] You should think, you know, when you're microdosing, that's one thing.

[1409] You're taking them.

[1410] It's enhancing your day.

[1411] But if you're going to sit down and really have a trip, I think you should do it in a way to set an intention.

[1412] Yeah, you set an intention and you do it in a way where you give some respect to what you're about to experience.

[1413] Because what you're about to experience is wholly alien.

[1414] It's alien.

[1415] Alien to go far.

[1416] Alien to this world.

[1417] Yeah.

[1418] Alien.

[1419] I know what he's saying.

[1420] when you see like the walls close in and change patterns and things flow through and you start to experience entities staring at you from other dimensions you get you get answers and you also have questions when you do that and you start seeing like the apocalyptic doom of the earth and wild shit and you know yeah do have but you have to set an intention if you do it for fun then you don't learn from it but i smoked dim tea not a while ago and i you know i said an intention and i was i was a What was your intention?

[1421] I literally, before I smoke it, I was like, okay, I want to be present.

[1422] I don't want to be focused too much in the outside.

[1423] Because, you know, when you get a certain point in a fighting career, it's not just fighting.

[1424] There's a lot that comes with it.

[1425] And you've got to know how to handle it.

[1426] And I was just thinking myself, I want to be better at this.

[1427] I want to focus on who I am, not in the outside.

[1428] I want to be, of course, a better fighter, a better husband, blah, blah, blah.

[1429] and then I was like, I was going to be better overall.

[1430] I want to be chill.

[1431] I want to be happy as I am, and I just take a rip.

[1432] And my grandfather that passed away not a while ago was throwing stars at me. Like, he was grabbing the stars and just throw it at my face.

[1433] Wow.

[1434] And I was just touching them, dodging them.

[1435] And then my friends, we did at my friend's warehouse, so nobody there is like doing it right.

[1436] here we nobody will come it was all dark and they have a bunch of wild paintings around these guys like he's who provided my mushrooms who provide my my weight sometimes CBD everything so these guys is in that world so all the paint is all the like them kind of like tie -dice painting you know when they're like mixing up like the trippy pictures yeah when I was going in the elevator up I was going like on circles up like a rocket and all these fucking colors like colors I never saw in my life it was just like and then when I get to the room they call it the room right when you get up there yeah it was like looking this roof like stars all black and just little dots and then I didn't saw my grandfather face but it's almost like okay you're there and he just was laughing and throwing stars at me just laughing and they told me before I came back I was laughing like a baby like a little kid it was awesome and i and when i came back you just give me that like calmness like i don't know it just yeah helps in a way it helps in some strange way it also makes regular life seem so bland it is in comparison to that world people get so trapped people get so traps in little thoughts on little daily things yeah they're sometimes they're like having the biggest problem of their life out of nothing Right.

[1437] At a nothing.

[1438] At a nothing.

[1439] I'm like, people are so focused on what somebody says or reading comment or a trap on like this picture of my friend have more like some like, no. Yeah, that's a problem, man. The social media problem.

[1440] It's so bad for your brain.

[1441] I made a decision quite a while ago to stop reading comments.

[1442] It's made a big impact on me, man. I'm going to tell you one thing myself.

[1443] In the last few years, I don't read.

[1444] at all.

[1445] Like if my friends, like if I see a friend of mine or somebody I admire putting something makes me happy.

[1446] But I'm not digging to see who says something bad or who says something about my skill is gone.

[1447] And you know what?

[1448] You feel free.

[1449] I'm not doing it to look like somebody else.

[1450] It's just the more authentic you are, the more you are yourself.

[1451] There's nothing better than that.

[1452] No, there's nothing better than that.

[1453] And when you start thinking about what other people are saying and other people are saying about you and what their opinions are, it fucks with your own perceptions because it changes how you behave and think because you're thinking about their opinions.

[1454] And sometimes their criticism is valid.

[1455] I'm not dismissing that the criticism is not valid, but if you take in too much of that over and over again, there's too much noise, it's not good.

[1456] Like I know when I, and I'm sure you do too, you're an intelligent person and you're also a dedicated person who is hell -bent on becoming better.

[1457] When you're that person, you're always objective in trying to, or trying to be objective and analyzing.

[1458] That's why he said, like, I want to be a better husband.

[1459] I want to be a better father.

[1460] I want to be a better fighter.

[1461] That should be all of our intent.

[1462] Whatever you're trying to do in life, you should always be trying to get better at it.

[1463] Because as a human, we're flawed and weird and messy.

[1464] That's your foundation.

[1465] Yeah, and your chemicals and your brain, they shift constantly and you're not always exactly the same person.

[1466] I'm a different person all the time.

[1467] I'm a different person if I haven't had sleep.

[1468] I'm a different person if I'm under stress.

[1469] I'm a different person if I haven't worked out.

[1470] And all those things also happen.

[1471] It's like how you handle those things is what make you get to the finish line.

[1472] Yeah, but you can't take in too much external opinions.

[1473] You can.

[1474] You have to be able to know whether you're fucking up and how to get better.

[1475] And that's exactly what separate you from the crowd.

[1476] If you know that, if you get to like know yourself that much that you know what's real and what's just cloud, it would take you way longer.

[1477] And I always feel people around me, I'm like, hey, like somebody, like friends of mine or people close to me that love me, they get mad about what people say.

[1478] I'm like, hey, the moment you get mad, they're winning.

[1479] Like you're giving it the chance to make sense.

[1480] you have to live your life be happy with where you are the way you have and always work for more and for better but for yourself not for no one else yeah not for no one else because that would put you aside from anything I have some friends that lose their fucking mind that people are talking shit about them when somebody here say something like oh but they're saying that about me when I'm in the car I'm like yo yo yo yo no no no forget about it and then you're basically saying that to them and I'm like yeah listen to him don't pay attention to that You can.

[1481] You can't.

[1482] You just can.

[1483] Well, it's a new thing.

[1484] It's, like, normal for people, like, you find out a friend of yours is talking shit about you.

[1485] You want to go confront him in the real world.

[1486] Like, why are you talking shit about me, man?

[1487] I thought we were friends.

[1488] Like, you want to know where you stand with this person.

[1489] Right.

[1490] But for people, you don't even know talking shit about you, that's normal.

[1491] Yeah.

[1492] That's what people do.

[1493] Man, if I was online at 15, I would be talking shit about everybody.

[1494] I would be sending everybody pictures of my dick.

[1495] If you see my Twitter when I was 15 -year -old.

[1496] Oh, my God.

[1497] Everybody.

[1498] Everybody.

[1499] I was never a fan of soccer.

[1500] Ever.

[1501] And Ecuador is huge in soccer.

[1502] I would go on Twitter and say the meanest shit to soccer players.

[1503] And I was laughing.

[1504] I was smoking with my friends.

[1505] Right.

[1506] He goes mad.

[1507] We make soccer players delete the accounts on how much shit we talk.

[1508] Fuck you.

[1509] And I kill you.

[1510] You're the fucking loser.

[1511] And then I'm like, now that I'm a grown -out and I'm like, if I see her comment, I'm like, I got a thick skin And so it's like It don't bug me Nobody has it But if you don't have it At least be smart enough Don't pay attention Well you have a thick skin Because you've been getting in fights Since you were four I gotta like I would I never been mad Any for a fighter For somebody else If we're like this close And you say something That I don't like I probably punch in the face Has there ever been a fighter That like leading up to a fight Has pissed you off?

[1512] Never And I thought I thought the biggest idiot out there oh my lady he was talking mal shit but like but that's his thing I know exactly you know that that's how he became famous him and connem his talent and all the shit talking and the personality it's like Kobe it's just a person yeah every time I see a fighter that is mad I'm like you fucking idiot like you don't even deserve to win at that point if you get mad before the fight in my opinion you don't deserve to win like I just don't give a shit what you think what you say when people People ask me on interviews, how you see your next friend going?

[1513] I don't make it too hard to say, I want to fuck him up.

[1514] I want to run through him.

[1515] That's it.

[1516] And then when somebody talks shit about me or say like, this and that, I'm like, and they ask me, you know how media works.

[1517] Hey, he said, you're slow.

[1518] I'm like, cool.

[1519] You will see fight night.

[1520] I just don't get bogged by things.

[1521] Right.

[1522] And when I fought him, I really believe he was trying to get under my head, like Conradass or he, and I was just like, good.

[1523] like you can beat me you can be a better fighter i don't know that until we compete we don't know that right it's almost like sometimes cock and confidence it's a it's a fine line that you confuse i'm confident my skill i know how hard work i know i sacrifice everything i possible can so i'm like if you say it suck cool if you say i'm good like when they're too friendly or too mean i don't accept neither one because i'm like we're not five bro like this is not like let's bow to each fuck off it's a fucking fight right right right like sometimes when I see fighters holding each other before the family might as well talk each other's dick at this point they're like I'm like we're gonna have a good in a fist fight did you see Jeff Neal versus Santiago I know he drives me crazy well what was crazy was safe Saude his coach was yelling at him in between the corners like stop dapping him up stop he's like your fucking friend I I was watching on my phone I think liked each other before they fought, which is, but they're both great guys.

[1524] No, I know, I know one personally, Santiago, we do the broadcast in Spanish.

[1525] Great guy.

[1526] Yeah, but guess what?

[1527] Everybody's a great guy.

[1528] Even Kobe, on his persona, he's a nice guy.

[1529] Yeah, Colby Covington in real life is a great guy.

[1530] I talked to him in New York, self -spoken, like, Camero Hen says that.

[1531] Yeah, great guy.

[1532] I shake his hand, I was like, fuck, dude.

[1533] I was like, you're very nice, and he was laughing.

[1534] I was talking shit on that.

[1535] And he was just laughing at me, and I was wearing his pink shoes.

[1536] And he's like, oh, yeah, coming from the guy with pink shoes, huh?

[1537] And I was like, yeah, you're nice.

[1538] But they're just personas.

[1539] Yeah, well, he developed that persona.

[1540] He was a little forced to.

[1541] But whatever, we all know that.

[1542] But it's like, in the fight, in the center of the cage, I want to kill you.

[1543] Right.

[1544] But I'm not out of my head.

[1545] I'm not mad.

[1546] It's just my job.

[1547] Right.

[1548] You have an objective.

[1549] I got to provide for my kids.

[1550] And that's the way I bring the bread to my home.

[1551] So like, they shake hands.

[1552] I leave it for after the fight, not even for before.

[1553] After the fight, win, loser, draw.

[1554] Hey, good job.

[1555] I didn't shake out Sonja Don's hands because I was pretty rough in that fight, so I said, fuck you.

[1556] But I think I was on my right to do that.

[1557] Which fight?

[1558] When I fought Sonja Don.

[1559] Why didn't you?

[1560] Oh, that was a fucking bad rap in decision.

[1561] Oh, right.

[1562] So that's when he came to shake my hands, I was like, ah, fuck you.

[1563] We'll probably run it back later.

[1564] For now, you're not my friend.

[1565] but I just keep it like that some people don't like it That's a rough one man Those bad decisions are fucking They're criminal It's a real problem I think that's another thing The UFC should employ Is more judges You know Oh the judges they have now Well it's not just the judges suck The judges suck sometimes Like some of the judges Like really it's like When you go to local places You go to small regional places That don't have a lot of experience Sometimes yeah Because I do the commentary In Spanish and I'm like, yeah.

[1566] Most of the fights, I know who won the fight.

[1567] Right.

[1568] And then when they go 30, 27, they're away.

[1569] I'm like, bro.

[1570] Right.

[1571] How's that happened?

[1572] Like, I remember when you were asking the lady, you know what a triangle shock is?

[1573] And she's like, just walk away.

[1574] Yeah.

[1575] I was like, they don't, like, for example, if somebody, like how you think about this?

[1576] Let's see I take somebody down.

[1577] Right.

[1578] And I just hold that person.

[1579] I'm working and holding them.

[1580] Right.

[1581] But the person on Barron is throwing every submission he can and he's eating me with elbows.

[1582] Yeah.

[1583] Who won the run?

[1584] guy on the bottom it should be it should be yeah it should be more damage put you in more danger if you're just holding yeah like if you're in top kabibing people right you're winning you won right but if you use holding right i'm like how you want the run yeah that's not enough but i also don't believe in stand -ups no i mean people get mad at me like no no no it's a sport i'm with you yeah if you want to get up get up and then the even the fence oh boo fuck you Fuck you.

[1585] Fuck you.

[1586] Fuck you.

[1587] Go watch baseball.

[1588] Exactly.

[1589] That loser that has been holed up in the cage, he don't know how to get out.

[1590] Yeah.

[1591] So, let him lose like that.

[1592] Well, it's a part of the sport.

[1593] And I feel like if a wrestler can take you down and rub his nuts all over your face for five minutes.

[1594] Good for him.

[1595] Good for him.

[1596] That's what he's doing.

[1597] But that is also that rule of standing up or telling you like you're not doing it right is basically creating excuses for the low -level guy, not able to escape.

[1598] Well, they're trying to make it more fan -friendly, but Jesus Christ, there's not a more fan -friendly sport in the world.

[1599] The feast fighting.

[1600] Yeah, you watch a person doesn't have to know anything about fighting.

[1601] They can watch the UFC and be like, holy shit, holy shit.

[1602] There's people watching all their sport for hours.

[1603] Yeah.

[1604] And that shit is boring.

[1605] Oh, did you find Joey Diaz talking about?

[1606] I absolutely did not.

[1607] It's on his, uh, it's on his Instagram?

[1608] Matt Flavors world?

[1609] It's on his Twitter either.

[1610] What?

[1611] Yeah, me. Was it a story or something?

[1612] something i don't know i saw it and it's not there every post one i don't know if it's like four posts up for the last like two weeks so you might have taken it down or something or i don't have no idea oh insulin with his rules oh my god the censorship take it down i typed it in it's not popping up like no one else reposted it i don't know i say once it stay hard and i got my thing pulled off stay hard yeah that's david gagan's i know i know i always stay hard got you pulled down yeah i was like what you guys are doing the fucking censorship is so crazy It's so wrong It's so fucking screwy But then when you post a reel With the rap song And the rap song is saying Yeah They don't pull that out They don't pull it out But they stay hard But every time David Post something I just put Stay hard Stay hard On everything he put And then they said Like your comment Might be Pull out And like What are you talking about Well that's one thing The wokesters have not done They have not targeted Rap yet Yeah right They leave that shit They should They better Especially all the school Rap The good one Oh my God Like, go listen to some 90s Wu -Tang Clan.

[1613] Or fucking Kudgy rap, like, Oh, yeah.

[1614] Oh, my God.

[1615] That's the greatest.

[1616] That's a good rap, man. I fucking love that, dude.

[1617] I know.

[1618] But Wutang Clan is what I listen to on the way to the show.

[1619] Every time on the way to a show, we listen to Wutank Clan.

[1620] We have like a playlist we listen to.

[1621] Protect your neck.

[1622] The hardest.

[1623] Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. They're not fucking around.

[1624] Gravel pit.

[1625] Yeah.

[1626] We listen to all that shit on the way to shows.

[1627] Yeah.

[1628] But it just like gets you going.

[1629] There's something.

[1630] I'm a 90s rap fan.

[1631] I love all kinds of music, but...

[1632] L .L. Coogee.

[1633] Something about 90s rap to me. It's like, it's also the excitement of the era because the whole art form was only like, you know, 15 years old at the time.

[1634] Right.

[1635] It was so new.

[1636] The whole art form was so new.

[1637] Like, I remember when I was a kid, I was in, I think I was in seventh or eighth grade, and someone was playing Sugar Hill Gang in the cafeteria.

[1638] And I was like, what is that?

[1639] this is crazy what is this it was a hip hop inhibited the hip and I was like this is wow you get in your head yeah it was a new kind of music and you and make you dance yeah but it was it was also a recognition like oh this is a new thing that's happening there's a new trend and then I also remember I was on a fucking elliptical machine and the first time I heard NWA I was like like what what are they saying like you go listen to NWA go listen to some early NWA, and you're like, I can't believe this was legal.

[1640] Yeah, no, all the shit they say, even fuck the police when they come hard on that one.

[1641] Oh, yeah.

[1642] The cops were coming to the fucking shows to stop it.

[1643] I know.

[1644] It's crazy.

[1645] That, but there was a, it was a change of, I mean, the gangster rap was always awesome.

[1646] I'm a big iced tea fan as well.

[1647] And like I said, I'm a giant ghetto boys fan.

[1648] But it was also, there was just a change of the whole musical culture because of 90s rap.

[1649] Oh, yeah.

[1650] It changed everything, man. Big Daddy Kane.

[1651] Oh, my God.

[1652] Big Daddy Kane was the shit.

[1653] I listen all those cool shit.

[1654] Today stuff.

[1655] Cool mo, D. I go to work.

[1656] Yeah.

[1657] Gangstar, like, the old schools are the ones.

[1658] Yeah, I'm a gangstar.

[1659] I'm a giant gangstar fan.

[1660] But it's like there's eras in time where things just changed.

[1661] And like, I'm a big fan of 60s rock.

[1662] 1960s rock and roll.

[1663] Like, something happened.

[1664] man something happened in the 60s and it like went into the deep into the 70s but there was a there was a change in what rock was and it was in the 60s like that's what I love I love those errors I love errors of great change you know yeah the rock and roll back then was real I'm not into much rock and roll but even if you listen to a rock and roll from that time you're like okay that means rock and roll it was rock and roll my god my god listen to some 1960s jimmy hendricks my god you saw my jacket oh what do you got on there that's fucking that's jimmy right there oh that's badass oh nice who did that where'd you get that done my friend uh mark obo he make all these patches and he just patch my stuff as instead of one love one glove so he's a he's an artist from rookatoo and he just oh nice he patched my jackets and put some cool shit in there I got to show you this new Hendricks piece that I got that's in the back that I got from Park City.

[1665] God, what is the artist's name?

[1666] I don't remember his name.

[1667] Is Joey talking about during his podcast?

[1668] I see him talking about the fights.

[1669] He put this out yesterday.

[1670] This part's all about gambling, though.

[1671] I don't know if he's talking about that fight.

[1672] Is it after the fight?

[1673] So he did like an ad, and he's talking about how he gambled during the fights.

[1674] I don't know if there's like.

[1675] Well, he starts talking about Giuliana Pena and Spanish women.

[1676] That's what I don't know.

[1677] How he doesn't take Spanish family.

[1678] Oh, you go right there.

[1679] That's it, that's it, that's it, that's it.

[1680] Yeah, you're probably taking doubt.

[1681] Right, give me some value.

[1682] Is you 600.

[1683] If you put $100 down on Giuliana Pena, you win 600.

[1684] So again, my little junkie mind went into work.

[1685] And I'm like, wait a second, you spend 20 bucks on worst things.

[1686] Like there's worst things you do with 20 bucks.

[1687] You picket, gamble, whatever the fuck.

[1688] You know, you've ever been walking around, and you're like, I'll get that.

[1689] It's just 13 bucks.

[1690] 13 bucks are 13 fucking bucks.

[1691] But I'm sitting in, I go, what the fuck?

[1692] What's $25 on Giuliana Pena?

[1693] You know what?

[1694] And then I thought of something else.

[1695] Why don't I date Spanish women?

[1696] Because I'm scared of them.

[1697] I've always been scared of Spanish women.

[1698] Let's get this shit out in the open right now.

[1699] Always, since I'm a kid, my mother was Spanish, and I'm like, you know what?

[1700] Do I really want to marry that?

[1701] Not.

[1702] Never.

[1703] No, no, no, no. I didn't listen to that before I get married to my life.

[1704] We show all the best up there in heaven.

[1705] I can't wait to see you.

[1706] But you know what?

[1707] No, no, no. Love Spanish women.

[1708] Have a lot of fucking friends of the Spanish woman.

[1709] They take a bullet for you.

[1710] But if you want peace of mind, I can't date a Spanish woman.

[1711] When you're Spanish, I can't date a Spanish woman.

[1712] I leave that to the Jews and the Italians.

[1713] You guys love Spanish women.

[1714] Help yourself.

[1715] Don't come crying to me when you're the iron buried in your fucking skull don't come crying to me right so i'm like fucking there was a fuller special right here i got to go with julia and pania just for the small 25 you know what i'm saying joey d is luck first minute she gets knocked down i'm like what else is new this is story of my life i'm a bum then and i'm a bum now i'm watching this fight and all of a son juliana she gets her in another thing again then juliana gets out with a fucking camora then the round ends and i'm like what the fuck is going on this isn't bad and all of a sudden second round juliana went in there and laid a fucking ass whipping an ass whipping i gotta be honest here brought tears to my eyes i was so happy for that venezuelan chick because i that's why and dog when she choked her i go to myself i go now you know why i don't date spanish women they're my friends i love them to death they're my fucking you know i go to war I'm taking three little chubby Spanish women And I'll take my chance As fuck you motherfuckers Three little Mexican tanks A little Cuban chick that's got big tits And a little gut That chick hasn't eaten in two days She'll take your eye out I'm not fucking around So I was so happy for Julia I even put it this fight was tremendous on Twitter I was fucking ecstatic So that's how I felt last night I won like I don't know One something 200 bucks on a $25 fucking thing And guess what I'm going to lose it all on Sunday in football anyway.

[1716] So who gives a fuck?

[1717] Nah, I'm going to hold on to it.

[1718] The bowl season's coming.

[1719] Joey does a lot of gambling.

[1720] I think he's got a gambling sponsor.

[1721] Is that a gambling sponsor?

[1722] Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's how he got into that.

[1723] And that's why I was trying to dig through it enough he wouldn't.

[1724] Yeah, okay.

[1725] Yeah, I used to, my partner and my friend Aubrey from On It, we used to, I stopped gambling on fights because I was just like, I'm like, I don't think this.

[1726] this is right because I would be calling the fights but I'd be gambling on it yeah it's kind of weird it's kind of weird and so I said also you're free to do it too I think it's legal but I was like it seems unethical so I'm not going to do it because you work in the JFC yes because I'm calling the fight I don't want to sound biased because I want someone to win because I got a hundred dollars on them you know I don't gamble at all but what would Aubrey would do is he would gamble and so I would tell him everybody tells me yeah Who I pick Yeah Because most of my picks are right Most of my picks are right I would have lost on the Giuliana Pena Amanda Nunes fight In those fights?

[1727] This weekend This one There's that one I didn't see coming Those are way to one side What was supposed to happen Just run through her The thing is One thing I did say Leading up to the fight Like as well they were getting ready I said You have to think Of all the times For someone's underestimated someone You can never underestimate an opponent You can't go into a fight, not nervous.

[1728] You can't go into a fight completely sure that you're going to win when that other person is hungry and scared.

[1729] Because weird things happen when people underestimate people.

[1730] Everything happened in fighting.

[1731] Fuck, that was nuts.

[1732] And what I saw as a fan from the outside, the first round, the first calf kick, make her fly.

[1733] Yeah.

[1734] But we know that part.

[1735] She's a strong.

[1736] She's bigger.

[1737] We all know that part.

[1738] Yeah.

[1739] But then everything comes in the other side.

[1740] If Yuleana was mentally said, you know, prepare to die, fuck you, I'm going to take this from you.

[1741] The moment you take the first couple punches and the K .O. guy don't stop you.

[1742] Yeah.

[1743] We said through the years, every time Connor couldn't stop somebody, what happened?

[1744] He got to stop.

[1745] Sometimes.

[1746] The second fight with Nate, he survived and wound up beating him by decision, even though he didn't stop him.

[1747] But it don't happen all the time, but it's like, it's, but it was ready for that fight.

[1748] Yeah.

[1749] But when you are like relying yourself, like, okay, I want to stop you quick.

[1750] You're thinking you're only going to chaos somebody.

[1751] Good luck with that.

[1752] Well, the thing that I was watching in the first round when Juliana had the Camorra, when she's threatening with the Camorra at the end of the round, I was like, ooh, like, that looks serious.

[1753] And she kept doing it, she kept going to it.

[1754] I'm like, look, as long as this fight is on the ground in that kind of situation, Julianna is very dangerous.

[1755] And if she can tire Amanda out, if there's a way to...

[1756] to do it that's the way to do it yeah i didn't saw that coming either like i can lie until like yeah i knew she were to punch her in the face and make her make her like slow down but when this when they were changing punches you can tell how much um Amanda was charging and when you charge you get way more tired yeah she was swinging for the fences like she was like trying to take her out quick and then when juliana was still there you could tell like she was fucking tired yeah for for you to be a world champion in two divisions and universally recognizes the greatest woman fighter of all time, which Amanda is.

[1757] It's unexcusable to be that tired in the second round.

[1758] Unexcusable.

[1759] And just standing in front of her, just swinging in front of her, no movement side to side, standing right in front of her like you're watching, like, a regional fight.

[1760] But then you know how mental is the game.

[1761] You can have all the technique, all the power.

[1762] The moment you doubt yourself and you take a step backwards, you're fucked.

[1763] You're fucked.

[1764] You're fucked.

[1765] You're fucked.

[1766] You're fucked.

[1767] That's why I take more care of what goes through my mind than how much conditional training I can do.

[1768] Yeah.

[1769] Because you can take, you can go way longer if your mind, like David Gogh was talking about it.

[1770] In those moments, you're about too quick and your mind is trapped in that thought that I'm going to quit.

[1771] If you just tell yourself, I'm going to go through hell, I'm going to fuck you up, that thing is reversible.

[1772] Yeah.

[1773] But you have to want it.

[1774] You have to want it.

[1775] That's why Childson was saying something that I don't agree.

[1776] It was like, he was basically saying, like, I don't really think that that was caused because Julianna, it was more quitting one side.

[1777] But that quitting was caused for the dog and the other person, too.

[1778] It was caused by Giuliano.

[1779] Yeah, 100%.

[1780] Julia made her quit.

[1781] She didn't just quit on her own.

[1782] You got to give Giuliana all the credit.

[1783] A hundred percent.

[1784] That's what when I heard that this morning, I was like, wait a minute.

[1785] You're not saying that.

[1786] I get it.

[1787] She's the goat.

[1788] For one loss, don't take your child away.

[1789] but that loss take your title for sure like the belt you don't take the title of the goat for all the chief and you have your chaos cyber all the people you beat you keep that but she made you quit you don't quit in your own yeah she made her quit but the way she quit was crazy that choke wasn't on the choke wasn't on at all it was on the chin right see let's find the let's find the choke find the submission I'll tell you one thing you don't need the hooks to put somebody in conscious but you need to get under the chin Oh, that thing wasn't even there.

[1790] It was like this, right?

[1791] Yeah, it was nothing.

[1792] But, you know, look, you can get that, like, that fulcrum choke, like with Khabib did to Connor, if you get the forearm on the back and you crank the neck.

[1793] But that requires a lot of strength.

[1794] Yeah.

[1795] That wasn't what was going on.

[1796] That was an excuse.

[1797] No, she was like, you know what?

[1798] I want to live another day.

[1799] Well, she was like, she was exhausted.

[1800] I come back.

[1801] I come back next time stronger, which I think myself like this.

[1802] If you do that once, you will do it again.

[1803] Well, you know, that is what Juliana said leading up to the fight.

[1804] Juliana said, I'm going to bring her back to what it was like when she was younger and she would quit.

[1805] A couple of fights she did that at the beginning.

[1806] Yeah, well, there was fights where she got exhausted and she kind of like lost her way.

[1807] And then she became the greatest of all time.

[1808] And it's wild to see the difference.

[1809] I think it's too close to the pay -per -view time.

[1810] All the videos I'm looking at are just pictures.

[1811] Oh, no. Find it on my Instagram.

[1812] I have the video on my Instagram.

[1813] The UFC lets me slide.

[1814] They let me post shit on the answer.

[1815] Look, it's only promotion.

[1816] It's only helping.

[1817] No one wants to help the UFC more than I do.

[1818] I just can't control the video there.

[1819] You can't control it?

[1820] I can only hit stop and go.

[1821] Oh, it's okay.

[1822] Just show it to us.

[1823] Yeah, because that joke was like, it wasn't even close.

[1824] So here it is.

[1825] Listen to the volume too because we're going fucking crazy.

[1826] Me and D .C. were going nuts.

[1827] I love it.

[1828] I was watching that.

[1829] You guys were screaming.

[1830] that jab look at that jab in that right hand look at Amanda look at that jab yeah she don't have her feet on their hair goodness she's so tired her base is gone listen to us John addict the only professional when you say that I was cranking out big deep press for Nunes see now here it is her eyes are gone too It looks like it's under the chin.

[1831] It's not deep.

[1832] Not deep.

[1833] No, not deep.

[1834] You see some guys getting off some deep chokes before.

[1835] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1836] Because they have the fight on it.

[1837] Yeah.

[1838] She was like, I'll live another day.

[1839] Well, I mean, Dustin.

[1840] I mean, Oliver had to keep adjusting on Dustin before he finally got it.

[1841] That was deep.

[1842] The moment he tapped, but might as well, if he just got to sleep.

[1843] He went behind the head.

[1844] You know, he hid the hand behind the head.

[1845] And he got that ultimate leverage, too, from that.

[1846] Yeah.

[1847] That was, that was, Charles Olivera is a bad motherfucker.

[1848] He is a bad motherfucker.

[1849] Yeah.

[1850] The only thing that I was thinking about it, without pulling the glove, you wouldn't end on top.

[1851] True.

[1852] That was a cheap move.

[1853] So it's like, remember when, when Chad Mendez was about to suplex Alden the very first fight and he grabbed the fence and he get Kio right after?

[1854] Yep, yep, that would change a lot.

[1855] Changes everything.

[1856] Because the grapple was full on deep, and that made him roll to end on his back.

[1857] And that run, he took a lot of damage.

[1858] Yep, yep.

[1859] So it's like, if that would be a job and be like, hey, stop.

[1860] Right, stop, one point.

[1861] I think they should take a point off.

[1862] Every time someone pokes an eye, every time someone kicks him in the nuts, every time someone grabs a defense.

[1863] Doesn't matter if he's...

[1864] Just take a phone off.

[1865] They'll stop doing it.

[1866] Everyone will stop doing it.

[1867] The moment you're like, you barely touch somebody, you've got to.

[1868] a pawn deducted.

[1869] If you're doing this shit all the time, just keep these motherfuckers closed.

[1870] The thing is guys with the big gloves in moitai style.

[1871] You know, they're doing this all the time.

[1872] They're doing this.

[1873] You can't do that.

[1874] You can't do that.

[1875] Close your fucking hands.

[1876] If you know for a fact, you will get a point deducted.

[1877] A hundred percent.

[1878] Legally or illegally or like intentional.

[1879] Anytime.

[1880] Anytime.

[1881] You know you go fucking like this.

[1882] How about Gillian Robertson and Priscilla Casueta?

[1883] Cauchuada's putting your fucking thumb in her eyeball what the fuck was that i caught her and sent it to yell bro bro she should be cut that is horrible yeah you know i tweet that's terrible cheating i tweet that's terrible cheating i say you should be cut by now like yeah that's i mean i don't generally say that but that is terrible cheating have you seen that jamie yeah i have this i have this on i tweeted a couple days ago i have this for sure saved i have it saved as a close -up i don't tweet much and i put that thing on it that's horrible you You literally can't do that.

[1884] You will blind someone.

[1885] I mean, imagine if you got, like, what happened to Bispin.

[1886] To Bispin.

[1887] Will you lose a fucking eye?

[1888] Because of that.

[1889] Here, I'm going to send you this, Jamie, because I've got a close -up of it, because this is so nasty.

[1890] Oh, here.

[1891] This is the worst.

[1892] Here.

[1893] Here, I'm not going to send it to him right now.

[1894] This is that, what I sent you is, like, a super close -up, like, very close -up.

[1895] It's so bad.

[1896] It's terrible.

[1897] And Gillian was fucking around.

[1898] up she got her on the ground she was she was getting getting some good ground and pound she got her back now look at this look at this man that thumb is deep in the fucking eyeball you I mean and she did it twice she literally trying oh my god she did it twice she literally look for her eye and stuck her thumb in the eye that's a you can't do that you can't do that you gotta go that's unacceptable watch this look at this finding the eyeball look at that shit bro that is so crazy.

[1899] That is so crazy.

[1900] Finding the eyeball, and that is a blatant foul.

[1901] I mean, it's not just a blatant foul.

[1902] It's fucking cheating.

[1903] It's worse than steroids.

[1904] Yeah, if you're taking steroids, you get cut for two years.

[1905] I agree.

[1906] You're doing that?

[1907] Same thing.

[1908] You're done.

[1909] Get the fuck out of here.

[1910] You can't do that.

[1911] You could ruin someone's eyeball.

[1912] You could ruin her eyeball for life.

[1913] When she fair and square, defeated you.

[1914] She got herself in a better position she submitted you you were about to tap and you stuck your fucking thumb in her eyeball i was going off when i was watching life i was and my wife was like what's going on i was like this fucking bitch is so i was like did you know their chick i'm like i don't need to know her like horrible that's fucking awful you don't do that horrible horrible that's unacceptable horrible that is unacceptable it's one of the worst worst examples of blatant cheating i've ever seen yeah a bad loser you don't yeah if i can't fucking fight you is over not only that miss weight when you watch I watching the whole thing with the second the second thing yeah second look where she does it it makes it even worse oh yeah look at the referee is not even stopping her from doing that man she's just the first time if I'm the referee I start punching her she is just fucking blatantly holy shit cut her cut her like if I'm the referee I will punch her god damn look I know people get crazy when they're losing they get desperate they do wild shit and they regret it afterwards i don't give a fuck you can't do that you can ruin someone's eyesight for the rest of their life doing shit like one thing is talking shit one thing say one thing say fuck you in the cage that's just crossing any fucking line you can ever had you're not you i mean like as a person who is doing this for a living you know there are certain things that can happen to you that can ruin your life and that's one of them you can lose your eyesight that's one of those i was i was losing it when i So that I was like, holy fuck, you do that, you're done forever.

[1915] Not using the UFC.

[1916] Yeah, you should be gone.

[1917] Yeah, you're not fighting.

[1918] Yeah, no one should want to hire you after that.

[1919] I mean, there's guys who have lost sight legitimately when, you know, Nick Lentz has also lost.

[1920] I think he said something like 40 % of his sight in one of his eyes.

[1921] Holy shit.

[1922] Just from regular fights.

[1923] Michael wasn't an epoch, but that was a kick.

[1924] Somebody that wasn't old.

[1925] juice on planet earth all the juice all all of it even borough from other countries everything bro he juicy vitor though is one of my favorite fighters to watch but it was it was it was a sketch it's but i think juicy vitor should be fighting in like one fc or something like that when they let them be juicy yeah go fight heavyweight or skinny guys or privacy time everybody's juicy yeah go fuck around there but juicy beat turn the ufc fuck so many people yeah he fucked a lot of people up man god damn but he was so scary he was so confident juicy vitor was just just throwing wheel kicks at luke rock hold and shit you know in his ufc debut he received him my boy look but but you saw how hard luke was trying to get him back yeah every like the three four fights after he he he kept beating people he was calling beaters the ufc was like no bro he's good leave it leave it along well that was after the t rt so when vitor got off the trt then everybody was like oh Give me that fight.

[1926] Give me that fight.

[1927] Well, Chris Wyden got that fight.

[1928] Chris Wythewan beat the fuck out of Vitor.

[1929] And that was post -TRT.

[1930] That's karma, too.

[1931] It is.

[1932] You pay the price for that shit.

[1933] Vitor's whole body had deflated.

[1934] It was crazy to see.

[1935] Like, there was no, it was nothing left.

[1936] It was like a balloon where the air had been let out of it.

[1937] It was mushy.

[1938] In South America, they put air through the asshole of the chickens to make it look bigger and sell it for a couple bucks extra.

[1939] He looked like the air was gone.

[1940] You know, when you.

[1941] when you kill the chicken to eat it, hmm.

[1942] Right, they shrink up.

[1943] And you pay like five bucks more for that shit.

[1944] But it was basically that.

[1945] It was a balloon deflated.

[1946] Well, it was worse than that, you know, because his ability was just so much superior to what it would be without that stuff.

[1947] But the thing about these guys, like the TRT was legal.

[1948] Yeah.

[1949] So it was like they were just...

[1950] It's almost that you're not a real bad person.

[1951] You were taking advantage of the system.

[1952] You were taking advantage of the system.

[1953] You definitely get a wild card for that.

[1954] But still.

[1955] There was also a bunch of people that were doing it.

[1956] And the way they were cheating was they were getting TRT exemptions because they had taken steroids.

[1957] So the thing about the steroids is if you take steroids, then your body stops producing testosterone.

[1958] So they'd get tested.

[1959] And then they go, oh, he has like low testosterone.

[1960] He needs testosterone use exemptions.

[1961] But you need it because you've been cheating your whole life.

[1962] Exactly.

[1963] And there was a lot of those guys have been cheating from the jump.

[1964] I always say this.

[1965] I prefer to lose a hundred fights that wouldn't won by cheating.

[1966] By any means, by any means, like any little advantage you take, even if you have a doctor that tell you, like, if you mix this with that and being legal, it's still cheating.

[1967] Right.

[1968] It should be hard training, good recovery, and a lot of fucking weas.

[1969] Yeah, a lot of huevos.

[1970] Yeah, that's important.

[1971] Yeah, it's very important.

[1972] I'm brain too, you know.

[1973] Toughness takes you somewhere.

[1974] Right.

[1975] And after that, you need.

[1976] brain that function well to be a champion I believe you need all those things you need the mind you need the discipline you need genetics you need hard training you need discipline the holders are closing the the higher you go in the rankings everything they're getting tired tight if you want to be Kamar Usman you got to have everything yeah you got to have everything he has everything that's why he's a champion that's why he's a champion he's got fantastic genetics he's got a bulletproof mind he's got fantastic technique training, discipline, everything.

[1977] And he seems like he's generally a hard fucking working.

[1978] He's not fucking wrong.

[1979] He's a super nice guy, too.

[1980] I can tell.

[1981] Really, really, really nice guy.

[1982] I talked to him after the fighting in New York, and I say Congor too.

[1983] Seems pretty nice guy.

[1984] He's a great guy.

[1985] You know, his knees are fucked up, which is great.

[1986] And he's open about it.

[1987] I know.

[1988] He tells everybody, he's like, I'll still fuck you up.

[1989] My knees are trash, but I'll still fuck you up.

[1990] But in talent, there's a lot of people that have no ACL.

[1991] Really?

[1992] It's okay.

[1993] In Thailand?

[1994] I heard about it, like, pro, like, I forget the name of the guy.

[1995] I know him through a friend, and he's like, yeah, he's gone, no ACLs.

[1996] And he just fight.

[1997] Like, those guys don't, they don't have PTSD.

[1998] They tell him, like, hey, bro, your elbow swollen.

[1999] They fight every weekend.

[2000] Right.

[2001] It's just lifetal for them.

[2002] Well, I don't think Usman has a problem with his ACLs.

[2003] It's his cartilage.

[2004] And he's gone.

[2005] All his meniscus is trashed.

[2006] It's all bone -on -bone.

[2007] Why do you think about the guy that you had here before the more plates, more day, telling everybody how Usman is on everything?

[2008] I'm like, holy shit.

[2009] It's hard to believe.

[2010] I didn't see that video.

[2011] I've seen his video on John Jones, and I've seen his video on Paul O 'Costa.

[2012] John was mad about it.

[2013] I'm sure he was.

[2014] Yeah, he was so much.

[2015] I'm sure he was.

[2016] But John's tested positive.

[2017] Couple times.

[2018] Couple times.

[2019] I mean, this is his, you know, he's explaining.

[2020] The thing about it is, at least according to Derek.

[2021] When Derek from more plates, more dates, talks about it.

[2022] What he's saying is there's thresholds, like there's acceptable thresholds.

[2023] And you can manipulate your hormones and still fall within these acceptable thresholds.

[2024] And that USADA has some holes in the way they collect data.

[2025] I believe 100%.

[2026] If you have some money, you can spend there, you can find a way to do it.

[2027] What he was also talking about was the fact that John had.

[2028] low testosterone but he had this in his system and he said a lot of times when a fighter has very low testosterone but they also have tested something in their system he goes indicative of someone that's trying to get off of something now I don't know if that's true I don't know I'm not a chemist I'm not a biologist I don't know I do like to research and read about it and then the Usman Papa was like don't tell me that about this guy when I had it when I had it like right here like that's the fucking guy to follow lovely don't tell me that about i don't know if it's true i don't it could be genetics it could i mean look frances is all genetics frances ingano that's all genetics man yeah but also that's that's for that's for real for over many years digging like a motherfucker he was on the fucking shovel yeah that's a long as a young boy yeah yeah his body developed digging sand when i saw him on msg i was a little drunk already i was drinking whiskey right after the fight and i saw him for I was like, fucking Francis, bro.

[2029] And I said grabbing him.

[2030] I'm like, you're fucking huge dude.

[2031] Hey, how big is your dick?

[2032] Tell me when to stop.

[2033] Tell me. And he's like, you very funny, brother.

[2034] I was like, tell me, stop, stop, stop.

[2035] And I was grabbing him.

[2036] I'm like, are you fucking real?

[2037] But I got like six shots of whiskey in my head already.

[2038] He was, he was trying to laugh, but he's pretty decent guy.

[2039] He don't fuck around too much.

[2040] And I was like, Francis, holy shit, dude.

[2041] I ride so many horses.

[2042] No one is as hard as you.

[2043] he was like trying to laugh what do you think about his fight with seal gun that's a serious fight that's a serious fight that's after kain era this is the best fight of the of the history you know we can say that because when kain was champion there's some fucking great fights I think this is a new era like the new kain balazas against yes junior dos Santos that motherfucker can move like a lightweight yeah well kane had the kind of cardio that only again exists in lower weight classes, but he has it as a heavy weight.

[2044] It didn't even make any sense.

[2045] His cardio was crazy.

[2046] He was able to throw head kicks, move side to side.

[2047] Everything.

[2048] He did everything.

[2049] The way he moved with his boxing was like, holy shit.

[2050] When he was in his prime, and here's the thing about primes, like people, when people talk about the greatest of all time, I put Kane in that category.

[2051] I don't know who's the greatest of all time.

[2052] I don't know if it's Fador.

[2053] I don't know if it's Kane.

[2054] I don't know if it's steep.

[2055] Yes.

[2056] They all of them.

[2057] It doesn't exist.

[2058] People get so full in the weekends.

[2059] Like they're looking for one.

[2060] person yeah and they get fools on the weekends like let's see this weekend Connor fights and won they put him right there I'm like guys before Connor Josealdo was the goat yep before Josealdo you know there's always right in times like GSP right in his time right a favor like there's always exactly yeah and favor is way before Aldo yeah so you put them on the line and maybe before a favor there was a one guy in King of the Catcher I don't know his name right now but there's always like a guy on his time.

[2061] So there's a goat for each decade, for each era.

[2062] Yeah.

[2063] When they try to, like, this guy delete all of them, it's like, no, calm down.

[2064] Like, Mighty Mouse should be up there.

[2065] That motherfucker was invincible for a long time.

[2066] He was unstoppable.

[2067] When he threw a raybor with a soup, like the arm bar.

[2068] And then caught the arm bar on the ground.

[2069] Oh, my God.

[2070] You better make a statue of that little motherfucker than that.

[2071] You know what I'm saying?

[2072] Yes.

[2073] They have a statue for Rocky Boboa.

[2074] I know.

[2075] This is not a real fighter.

[2076] Put fucking mighty moths, wherever the fucking lives.

[2077] I know, right?

[2078] But it's like, I just feel like it's like an illusion.

[2079] It's like a cloud.

[2080] Every weekend, there's something cooler happened than the weekend before.

[2081] Yes.

[2082] And people get so full.

[2083] And I also think that's how fighters get fucking the head.

[2084] Because when they win on Saturday night, they think this lasts forever.

[2085] Right.

[2086] My fucking Tuesday, the only people that remember is your fucking mom, your coach, and probably you.

[2087] Then the people look forward to the next fight.

[2088] Right.

[2089] So, you know, Saturday, awesome, you won, cool, you celebrate Monday morning.

[2090] That's why I say Monday morning, I go back to the horse.

[2091] You know, you keep thinking forward because that's on the past already.

[2092] And that's also happening with the rankings, with the new goats.

[2093] I'm like, calm down, guys.

[2094] Like, the next weekend you go, oh, we find a new goat.

[2095] No, asshole.

[2096] It's the same goal.

[2097] Like, when one champion lose, he don't lose all his world charles before.

[2098] He lost one fight.

[2099] Right.

[2100] But how we are set with the media and with the MMA and with the rankings, it's all run.

[2101] Yeah, it's, when you start talking about greatest of all time and you talk about like pound for pound best, that's, those two arguments get real weird.

[2102] Like sometimes there's a clear guy, like Anderson Silva in his prime was the clear goat.

[2103] Do not move that guy from that list.

[2104] No, you can't remove him because of the later fights.

[2105] When he was fighting in London, holy shit, that fucking elephant.

[2106] Oh, well, coming from porn.

[2107] Yeah, Tony Frickland, yeah.

[2108] Yeah, but that's the one thing.

[2109] These idiots that make all these things, they're not really watching Eminemay.

[2110] They're Saturday Night Junkies.

[2111] They're eating popcorn.

[2112] Oh, that's the goat.

[2113] No, eat it.

[2114] You got to watch a little bit more of it.

[2115] Like, get yourself a little more into it.

[2116] Like, read a little more.

[2117] There's more than just what happened on that Saturday night.

[2118] Yeah.

[2119] And it's so easy to forget.

[2120] Like, BJ Pen on his prime.

[2121] Mm -hmm.

[2122] Fool, Lord, the motherfucker was.

[2123] Oh my God, it was amazing.

[2124] He fought a little past his prime, and now hurt me because I know him personally.

[2125] I love him, but people that don't know him, they remember the last four fight.

[2126] Yeah.

[2127] GSP on his prime.

[2128] Nobody, like, he never really lost when he was on his prime besides the Matt Serra and Matt's huge fight.

[2129] But after that, the way he dominate.

[2130] Yeah.

[2131] He was taking down wrestlers that no one take down at will.

[2132] And he had so many fights, man. When he took two years off, or how many years off did he take before he fought Bisping?

[2133] Four years off.

[2134] Four years off and then fought Bisping and came back and beat a legitimate world champion in Bispeng and did it finally.

[2135] Like he was a final solution.

[2136] Like, I mean, it was clear cut.

[2137] He submitted him and put him to sleep.

[2138] And after he had a first round that he was eating elbows from the top, like, Michael Bispin, fuck him up from the bottom.

[2139] And then he came back, wearing the storm, and he's...

[2140] still put him in my and the way he's singing the fucking choke when he went around and took I was like amazing that's his Jiu -Jitsu got better yes because he kept training he trains all the time yeah you look at his body he was just here I know I miss him he was the one to put him in contact with Danher I text him I'm like hey I'm gonna see Joe on Tuesday can you send me Donner's contact so I come on Friday and train the whole week with him and I learn some good shit yeah no Donahur is he's an unusual person man You want to talk about a resource, having a guy who's a Ph .D. in philosophy, a guy who is a professor at Columbia, like a real legit genius who gets obsessed with Jiu -Jitsu, and that's all he cares about.

[2141] Yeah, but he was talking, like, even people that know him from the Gordon Ryan time, he's been training back in the day.

[2142] He knows, like, when the Hansa Renzhen's or gym was, like, the real deal.

[2143] Like when they were scrapping every day there Fucking even Renz's brother was alive He's from back then Yep From the all good days Oh yeah No he was Before his body fell apart He was very formidable Like everybody was like raving About how good his jiu jitsu was He was elite Yeah no And the way he teaches It's a step A to B Like there's not like this crazy Like you have to do all these things before no It's just simple Right I was able to memorize so easy whatever he was teaching and for day one to day four I was like almost remember everything that's amazing I'm not the smartest guy out there thinking about like I'm I got to focus a lot to get it together but the way he was teaching I was like wow that's easy to learn well look at the results I mean look at his star pupil Gordon Ryan when when have you ever heard of a guy who's 25 who's university considered the greatest of all time in jiu -jitsu yeah it's never happened never happened never happened in in a place like you do it's so hard yeah like you got Roy and Gracie go by like everybody it's not easy yeah and people just don't want to fuck with him they don't want to they they avoid him no Peña caught him early yeah and that's about it well a couple guys you know they they get close early and you know beat him early and now no one now no one now everybody like when when when A guy like him can take someone like Wagner Rocha and play with him.

[2144] Play with him and put a fucking triangle in a envelope and say, this is how I'm on a tab.

[2145] I'm hands it to the commentators and say after the fight, open that up.

[2146] No, it's not.

[2147] How what the fuck?

[2148] Who does that?

[2149] That's a little past the level of we're normally able to see, like, we'll see what happened with the Gold Bowl in September.

[2150] What do you think is going to happen?

[2151] Like, it's almost You can know what's going to happen But Galbao is a real deal Galvaal's a tank too From the days, from the early days When Galbao was with Tarerey with Cobriña Yeah It was like almost impossible thing A fucking 25 year old is gonna beat him But But now He's gonna train He better Oh he will Yeah, I know for a fact But if he beats Galbao in September I'm like, that's it Yeah Put him the ground And then if he does, like, who's next for him?

[2152] I think he's going to gain more weight now that his stomach is not fucked up anymore.

[2153] I would talk about it too.

[2154] Yeah, his stomach is getting better.

[2155] It's not 100%, but it's pretty close.

[2156] It's way better than it was, at least.

[2157] No, I know.

[2158] And I was talking to him, like, what happened with all the antibiotics he took, his bacteria was killed.

[2159] I was like, Indian is, my opinion, is doubled up the fermented food, try fasting.

[2160] But, you know, go talk to a real dog.

[2161] because whatever I do for myself is what I take from perfecting athletes or whatever I do from reading or whatever.

[2162] Have you had staff?

[2163] Never.

[2164] That's how he got it.

[2165] He got staff.

[2166] The thing is like it was an epidemic of staff in that Hensos school at one point in time.

[2167] That basement because it's in a basement New York City, it doesn't get any sunlight.

[2168] He just created.

[2169] It's just the funk it was in the air.

[2170] Like New York City gets moist as fuck.

[2171] I know.

[2172] And like to kill all that stuff like good luck.

[2173] It's hard.

[2174] And then they're 20 every day.

[2175] It's a pool of sweat.

[2176] Yeah.

[2177] And also, who's really going to the shower right away?

[2178] Right.

[2179] I don't fuck around with that.

[2180] Yeah, you got you getting that right.

[2181] The moment I'm done, I finish my stretch.

[2182] Yep.

[2183] I'm soaping.

[2184] Yep.

[2185] I'm putting the defense up all over my body.

[2186] Everywhere.

[2187] Everywhere.

[2188] And any kind of cuts you have, put the salve on it.

[2189] Yeah.

[2190] And you know what?

[2191] It also helps a lot.

[2192] That colorial silver?

[2193] What is it?

[2194] Coloreal silver.

[2195] Oh, colloidal silver.

[2196] There you go.

[2197] Thank you.

[2198] That help?

[2199] Oh, I put that under my tongue every day, but also if I have little cuts, I put in there, I haven't had a ring when I'm years.

[2200] What is colloidal silver supposed to do if you take it under your tongue?

[2201] It kills, it's not, it works good against bacteria and viruses.

[2202] Yeah?

[2203] Yep.

[2204] So you take it under your tongue?

[2205] Well, it's like, you know, like when you put CBD drops, you put it in your turn so absorbs better.

[2206] Right.

[2207] And then just keep it there for like 10 seconds and then swallow it.

[2208] I saw a guy that was on a TV show once where he took, he took too much.

[2209] much colloidal silver and his whole skin turned blue oh wow you ever see that no but i take oh you need to see this guy i took whatever the fucking thing says this guy went off on colloidal silver i took like two droppers a day that's it it changed his whole like skin like the ex like a smurf like look holy shit yeah that's what he used to look like used to be a handsome fella.

[2210] Man turn blue after self -medicating colloidal silver.

[2211] Yeah.

[2212] Look at that.

[2213] Thank God they read and I don't do it just because.

[2214] Is that reversible?

[2215] Trendy supplement can damage your organs and make your skin blue.

[2216] How is it doing that?

[2217] Look at that picture right there.

[2218] Jamie, pull that one up above that guy's face with the guy's blue right there.

[2219] How much it was taken.

[2220] Look out crazy.

[2221] That one looks on the right.

[2222] That looks like a fake person.

[2223] They'd have to be photoshopping a little bit.

[2224] I don't think so, man. When you saw the show, it emphasizes the rest of it.

[2225] It's kind of, yeah, but how much it was taking, like a full bottle a day?

[2226] You have to take, like, a stupid amount.

[2227] Look, everything in acceleration is going to fuck you up anyway.

[2228] Yeah.

[2229] That's why even with my vitamins, I don't triple that.

[2230] You don't need to triple that.

[2231] No. You just take the right dose.

[2232] And you should be fine.

[2233] Train hard, recovery good.

[2234] Take your supplements.

[2235] Take some sun.

[2236] walk barefoot fuck a lot you should be fine right yeah I don't think that there's a a cure for that shit either it's yeah but see that bottle look pretty the one that I check looks pretty I swear to go yeah you used to that fucking pee color the color that's what you look like oh that that bottle looks wrong oh it looks wrong look the shit looks like I pee in there and I'm taking it in the mornings mine looks a little bit more pretty than that Well, there's a problem with a lot of these alternative medicines.

[2237] It's like there's not a lot of research on them.

[2238] It's hard to know like what's legit and what's not legit.

[2239] Some of it's very legit.

[2240] Like garlic is really good for...

[2241] I eat garlic on everything.

[2242] Garlic is great for bacteria.

[2243] The guy, we pulled up, it was using homemade silver.

[2244] Oh, there you go.

[2245] Silver chloride.

[2246] He's a fucking idiot.

[2247] What does that mean?

[2248] Coaloid.

[2249] Coaloid.

[2250] Yeah, it says he turned blue after he took a homemade silver chloride colloid.

[2251] And that guy probably is a silver salve on his face.

[2252] He used silver salve on his face?

[2253] He's just an attempt to treat problems of sinus, dermatitis, and acid reflux.

[2254] Silver salons.

[2255] So is that what turned his skin?

[2256] Because it seemed universal, like all over his skin, like his whole face, everything.

[2257] Yeah, but probably if your face is turning blue, the body, if you as follows.

[2258] Oh, my God.

[2259] He died young, too, I believe.

[2260] It's hard.

[2261] He suffered from heart problems for years, heavy smoker, triple biopause surgery.

[2262] Oh, there you go.

[2263] It's something with...

[2264] I thought of a heart attack doesn't 13.

[2265] Yeah.

[2266] That doesn't help either.

[2267] Not good.

[2268] How old was he when he died?

[2269] Doesn't...

[2270] Who?

[2271] He smoked a lot.

[2272] 51 to 2013?

[2273] 602.

[2274] Live a little bit.

[2275] But it's like, don't be smoking cigarettes, eating shit, and doing your own medicine at home.

[2276] That's not going to help.

[2277] That's a bad combination.

[2278] The only medicine you can do it home is plant couple of wheat plants in your bag, yeah.

[2279] That's the only home...

[2280] Have you grown weed yet?

[2281] No, but I will.

[2282] Yeah.

[2283] It seems like a...

[2284] a lot of work.

[2285] You had to separate the females from the males.

[2286] Yeah.

[2287] But I have a full on beautiful garden.

[2288] All the best shows.

[2289] Oh, yeah?

[2290] Oh, I stopped going to Whole Foods for like three months.

[2291] Oh, nice.

[2292] And these fucking raccoons figured it out.

[2293] These raccoons, they raid my garden.

[2294] Yeah, it's cunts.

[2295] I bought, I bought cages.

[2296] I bought fucking pellet guns.

[2297] They're smarter than I thought.

[2298] I couldn't find him.

[2299] And then one day I point my gun at them, that fucker used to step up on me. I was like, never mind.

[2300] I just go home.

[2301] He stepped up like he was ready to fight you?

[2302] Oh, ready.

[2303] Like, he just raised up.

[2304] And I was like, ah, because one pellet won't kill him.

[2305] And I'm not that accurate.

[2306] It'll hurt.

[2307] It will hurt him, but he will come and charging at me. Get a crossbow.

[2308] I need to get into that.

[2309] I want to hunt so bad.

[2310] Do you?

[2311] All my friends that hunt, they bring me food.

[2312] And I have, my freezer is packed right now.

[2313] I would give you some food.

[2314] Oh, you know, I can give you some jerky.

[2315] I got some jerky here.

[2316] I'll give you some elk jerky for my elk.

[2317] My lawyer just killed an elk not a while ago.

[2318] Yeah.

[2319] And, you know, normal people don't want to eat the liver.

[2320] He gives me a liver.

[2321] I eat the shud of that.

[2322] Yeah, liver's great.

[2323] I've been eating that every fucking day since.

[2324] So good for you.

[2325] Luke Rockhole just killed another one.

[2326] Yeah, I saw.

[2327] And give me a shit lot of ground elk.

[2328] Nice.

[2329] I'm eating liver and ground elk the last 20 days.

[2330] That's phenomenal for you.

[2331] I feel like a superhero.

[2332] I swear to God.

[2333] People don't get it.

[2334] Everybody that I know when they go hunting, I'm like, please take me. I carry your shit.

[2335] I make jokes.

[2336] I roll the joints.

[2337] I do whatever you want.

[2338] And then my lawyer told me, the way my lawyer told me to fuck off is like get a hunting license and I take you.

[2339] And he thought, I was like, I won't do it.

[2340] I called him in a week later.

[2341] Bro, I got the hunting license.

[2342] What's up?

[2343] He's like, no way.

[2344] I'm like, come on, take me. I don't know why they don't take me. Texas is a great place to hunt because there's so much private land here and they have these hunting ranches where they have like thousands of acres and they'll they can they'll take you and teach you like my friend Jesse Griffiths he runs this he has a restaurant out here called Dai Duay it's an amazing restaurant I was supposed to go last night there he's the one that sells all the liver and everything you can eat everything there yes yes yes we're supposed to go last nine and I just fell asleep early Dai Duay He has a wild game there Because there's some of it You can sell in restaurants That gets killed in Texas If it's exotic or if wild hogs He cooks a lot of wild hogs But he's got this What is his His Instagram Jesse's Instagram His Instagram was Soca line He's got like He was yours here, right?

[2345] Yeah Yeah I hear that one He's got His coffee's good I forget his Yeah Yeah, his Instagram, Jamie, is sac .a .a. Yeah, which is, I don't know, what does that mean?

[2346] Saka late, what does that mean?

[2347] Sounds Spanish.

[2348] The new school of traditional cookery is his, that's his other Instagram.

[2349] If you click on that, that will take you to the Instagram page for his, he teaches people how to shoot, how to kill the animal, how to butcher it.

[2350] how to cook it and he specializes in wild hogs i'm interested in that yeah well next time you come out here we'll schedule a hunt with jesse and we'll do another podcast i will cook something or you told me when's the next hunting and i just come for that okay because i really like that's one of the things i never do it but it's like in my soul like you want to do i want to do it so bad just being the wild i was just like you i was just like you before i hunted same thing i want to do this i want to do this.

[2351] Then once I did, I was like, oh, I'm doing this from now on.

[2352] And that's what I, I look forward to it so much now.

[2353] And that's how I get my meat now.

[2354] And the way I eat meat, like, I feel like, like, I love cooking.

[2355] I cook every day.

[2356] Even when I cook, just in a skillet or the trigger.

[2357] I like the skillet because it feels more like one -on -one.

[2358] Like in the trailer, you sleep with it there, come back later and it's done.

[2359] In the skillet, I actually have to put more skill.

[2360] Right, right, right.

[2361] And that, like, get me so happy to cook.

[2362] Every time I'm cooking, I make sure I'm cooking either for my wife or for somebody, because when they give me approval that the food is good, there's something about it.

[2363] Like, I was talking to Action Brown, so I was like, bro, send me tips.

[2364] And then I said, just come to New York and cook with me. And every time I'm about to cook something, I text him, is this right?

[2365] Is this right?

[2366] Is this wrong?

[2367] I'm like, I hope I'm not bogging you, but I fucking love cooking and you cook good.

[2368] Or same with Marty Mati, so I'm like, can you guys teach me how to cook?

[2369] Because, I don't know.

[2370] There's something about it that just make me so happy yeah and I feel if I kill my animal and cook it then I'm real horny I'm happy yeah you will be very very happy I guarantee you just something about it like when I'm cooking a meal for my kids for my friends and I don't eat I just cook yeah it feels great feels fucking awesome well if you do I guarantee you when you do hunt and you do kill an animal and then you cook it and serve it to your friends you feel even more happy it'll take it to the next level guaranteed 100 % I'm gonna get there because it's just it's just something about it that's great to your friends with those guys too because that can definitely help both guys are serious chefs and I definitely talk with all of both of them but I call it sometimes I'm cooking and I'm like action is this right is run and I'm like holy fuck something little details I'm like this fucking thing tastes better I use I use the way I like cooking is almost as equal as I's love surfing or love fighting like those three things get me out of the bed all the time yeah i love it too i've been cooking lately a lot over hardwood fires i got an argentine style grill where you crank make the crank and it goes up and down oh that's those are great we have the fire underneath there oh my god i love it every time i cook on it parrillo cooks really good too does he or really good he's a great coach he's a man very good striking coach i would say he took me to the next level like 100 % like everybody that worked with me before they all did something you know you don't take right away from nobody but when I move full time with him I was like holy shit it's like I was doing so much for little reward with him I'm doing less but it's just the it's just effective what is the difference in the way he teaches he he goes to the point we don't we don't we don't do these three hour classes we don't you know we spark hard we We hit me hard, but everything comes like, you know, everybody hits the bag, right?

[2371] Everybody can hit it.

[2372] But in each back at the gym, I have a job to do.

[2373] Like, he teaches me how to work with each bag.

[2374] Sometimes he's not in the gym.

[2375] He just told me, work on these bags and do this.

[2376] Work on the tire.

[2377] Work on the wall.

[2378] I'm posting a lot like me working on the wall to get the straight right hand.

[2379] Little things that before I would drill with a partner back on for, like Jabler's hook, back and forth what do you mean about it on the wall like I get myself on the wall mm -hmm and I throw my straight right hand without breaking my elbow on the wall oh I see so you put your back against the wall I show I have a bit I did this this morning I send it to him but do you back up to the wall I have to show you it's uh is this and the idea is to not lift your elbow up is it yeah oh let me see I send that to him and then like you have to like like my right hand is against the wall and then I'm throwing throwing throwing so my right hand comes like a straight like a piece and down the middle instead of like you charge it and then you go so your opponent have a second to move right and then I do these things every day before practice this is not a video this is a picture oh he took oh he probably sent me a picture of that it looks like a video but it's just a screenshot like I get in the wall Oh, I see.

[2380] So you put your right shoulder up against the wall so that your elbow doesn't flare out.

[2381] And then little things like that, like before I would do like 10 different things with, you know, with a partner.

[2382] And then with him, he's just like little things.

[2383] But then when I'm actually aspiring, I get all the benefits from it.

[2384] Like I'm like, oh, I was hitting them.

[2385] I wasn't getting hit.

[2386] And I'm like, oh, wow.

[2387] All these, you're doing all these crazy things, all these drills.

[2388] when you can just go in a small, like you just squeeze everything together.

[2389] Yeah.

[2390] And, you know, the only way you figure it out how good you get in is when you spar another good guy.

[2391] Yeah.

[2392] And then you're like, okay, you figured it out.

[2393] Do you have a Muay coach, like who works with you on your kicks and all that?

[2394] Not anymore.

[2395] No?

[2396] And since I work with him, he focused on my boxing and my base, my kicks are better than before.

[2397] Really?

[2398] Because I'm kicking from a balance.

[2399] like if you see me lately my calf kicks yeah i'm not winning i'm just going boom straight to the target i'm sitting down on my punches and i'm able to move because he some coaches before when i'm hitting meat they tell me what to throw so it's like you know when you're fighting nobody's like jab cross hook right he goes like he just weird he don't talk he just go like this and you just throw it right he always moving with you and he got good foot like himself as a fighter he moved with you So sometimes when you're hitting meat Everybody looks like Canello When he's eating meat Right But putting that into a real fight It's a different animal And he's moving all the time with me Sometimes he shows something And he took it off and put in the other side And now you gotta stop this to come here And that's what when you're sparring goes Because sometimes you want to throw And that guy's gone Right Then you gotta do something else Interesting And then I feel balance And then The best thing about him Is the fucking shit he talked Not in a bad way He talks He gets in your mind And he's like Holy shit He gets you hard In a lot of ways He will just talk to you And You know He just He's the one You know He grabbed B -SPIN Making him a champion RDA have a great run With him Cybor You know Monkey see monkey do You know I don't want to go With a coach I have a thousand fighters I want to go with a coach I have a couple ones But each of them Get to the point which is the belt yeah I was in a point that I was like I'm winning fight and I'm feeling a little short in some decisions I wasn't getting killed but I'm like I need a coach that just step me up mm -hmm and it's pain is paying off do you work with anybody on kicks or do you just do them yourself I kick a lot I we work a lot in the back and in the back I I kind of freestyle I throw my punches and my kicks and of course when I'm sparring I go full -on punches kicks and the ground and then but you just do you're boxing with Perillo.

[2400] Yep.

[2401] And then you kicks 100 % you.

[2402] Well, he made me kick too.

[2403] Yeah.

[2404] But think about it.

[2405] Bisman is a kick boxer, right?

[2406] He don't have a kickboxer.

[2407] Because I did as Bistpin.

[2408] I'm like, how do you do with the kicks?

[2409] I'm like, Parillo will figure it out for you.

[2410] And Bispin kick until the end.

[2411] Right.

[2412] So he's not like he takes away the kicks from you.

[2413] He just gives you a little better base so you can kick you more.

[2414] Right.

[2415] Like the way he makes you sit.

[2416] He don't make you sit like a boxer.

[2417] He don't make you bend on the way.

[2418] or do, like, all the things that boxers us because there's things coming down the middle, kicks, knees, and even my elbows.

[2419] He's not a moiety coach.

[2420] I'm throwing more elbows than before.

[2421] Really?

[2422] In the Debbie Grandfire, he slides him up and, like, from the stand -up.

[2423] Do you think there's any benefit at all occasionally working with someone on your kicks?

[2424] Probably.

[2425] Like, I will feel that.

[2426] But what I'm saying is, like, if you think about how he's improving your punching.

[2427] Yes.

[2428] Imagine if you had someone who's similar to him, but with kicks.

[2429] I'll have to find that first.

[2430] But there's people around.

[2431] Well, you're Coast of Mesa's.

[2432] There's so much martial arts in your area.

[2433] There's a lot.

[2434] Yeah.

[2435] The only thing that sometimes I feel like when, if I go to a kickboxing coach, like he can improve my kicks, but he can also get in my head like, hey, don't do this, do this.

[2436] So like, I just feel right now, everything is working together.

[2437] And we communicate pretty good.

[2438] So I'm like, if everything is working now, right?

[2439] Why add another voice in my ear?

[2440] I just always feel like, yeah, adding another voice to your ear probably not the best thing, but just someone to maybe occasionally tighten up technique.

[2441] It's just, I feel the same way about what Perilla's done to your boxing.

[2442] I feel like if no one's working with you and your kicks, it's probably someone who could tweak a few things here and there and make your kicks even more effective.

[2443] Yeah, that's true.

[2444] And I'm definitely open for that.

[2445] This is like me as a person who's very interested in, kicks.

[2446] That's why I asked you today if you're working out.

[2447] I was about to ask you the side, because I love sidekicks and spinning wheelkicks.

[2448] I throw a lot of psychics in the fights.

[2449] I don't really throw spinning wheel kicks.

[2450] Well, next time you come here, we'll have a full gym.

[2451] Yeah.

[2452] We're setting it up right now.

[2453] So next time, I'll be happy to come here.

[2454] I just had a crazy day today.

[2455] No, and I also, when I text and you told me you're working a letter, I went straight to the gym.

[2456] I did all that.

[2457] I did the boxing.

[2458] I did some weights.

[2459] Nice.

[2460] But like, you know, I'm always trying to figure it out the next step how to get better and you know there's always room like that's one thing he always says there's always room to improve oh for sure there's always well that's the thing about working with elite fighters too because you get to see people that are so good and you get to realize that there's certain things they do better than you if you just work with guys that are not as good as you it's very difficult to get really really elite to get really good at me personally that's one thing I cut a lot from my circle.

[2461] If you don't believe me, if you're not trying to do something huge for your life, I don't hang out with you.

[2462] You know, that Kobe Bryant, there's a famous video where he's talking about lazy people, about being around lazy people, about the, get the fuck away from me. I don't want to have nothing to do with you.

[2463] Like, that might be contagious.

[2464] It is contagious.

[2465] Yeah.

[2466] Because they brought you down at their level, even if you don't want that.

[2467] Yeah.

[2468] Like, for me, if I caught somebody from my life and they feel weird about it, it is not for not a reason that it's not like they're not trying hard or they're not figured it out well that mindset of a loser is very contagious and also they they require too much attention too much energy you know it's so hard to see when someone makes excuses and you try to talk to them and say hey man you can't think like this and then they go right back to it you know okay I don't know what the fuck to tell you but I don't have any time for this a hundred percent I just don't have time I have one or two conversations if I really love you I'm gonna tell you like hey this is not working you should get better and you should jump right on that advice a hundred I do that I go straight to the point yeah but if that person just is content where they at yeah they will or they make excuses for why well the reason why is this and because of the fighters go after the fight most likely when they lose they say like oh during come my rip during come my feet right that's a fucking excuse you lose you lose you lose just Take it like a man. How about Paulo Costa?

[2469] He had like a hundred of them.

[2470] Oh, the wine.

[2471] Or the boxer.

[2472] They went to lose.

[2473] Tianti?

[2474] Holy shit.

[2475] Oh, my God.

[2476] That was the worst.

[2477] I was like, shut the fuck up.

[2478] He said he got poisoned.

[2479] The thing weighed too much.

[2480] But at least he didn't have excuses after the second fight.

[2481] The second fight, we got knocked out again or the third fight.

[2482] You shouldn't have it.

[2483] If you have an excuse again, you...

[2484] I just think he couldn't believe that Tyson Fury put it on him like that.

[2485] I can't believe that.

[2486] I can see that from the out of the other.

[2487] But when you watch the first fight, like Tyson, Tyson, was boxing until the 12th round.

[2488] He got dropped in the 12th round.

[2489] He got up, and then he chased after Deonté.

[2490] And then in that round, he realized how to fight Wilder.

[2491] And then the second fight, that's the only way he fought him, and he beat the shit out of him.

[2492] Just put pressure on it.

[2493] And then the third fight, I mean, he did.

[2494] Deonté had his moments.

[2495] That fucking right hand is something, man. He definitely, he got the power, but he don't have the boxing skill.

[2496] Well, he's working on that.

[2497] I mean...

[2498] Because Tyson can pimp like a motherfucker.

[2499] Oh, my God.

[2500] He can move side to side.

[2501] Oh, he does everything.

[2502] He does everything.

[2503] He just ahead.

[2504] Because power, it's like a blessing.

[2505] Right.

[2506] But the rest, you have to work for that.

[2507] It's a blessing, but it's kind of a curse in that you rely on it so much.

[2508] And really, it should come out of nowhere.

[2509] And you should almost like if you have power, you should train like you don't.

[2510] Train like you don't.

[2511] Train like you have to be a boxer.

[2512] And then let it come when it's there.

[2513] Because you got to work on a skill.

[2514] Yes.

[2515] You have to work on a skill.

[2516] There's guys that have power that also have defensive movement and skill.

[2517] Like, that's why Canello is so exceptional.

[2518] Canello has everything.

[2519] He's got power and he's got ridiculous defense.

[2520] Oh, my God.

[2521] It's beautiful to watch.

[2522] Everything he does.

[2523] Everything he does.

[2524] He, for a minute, he's pimping.

[2525] Demi fucking go Mike Tyson and you.

[2526] And then he bent at the waist.

[2527] Holy fuck.

[2528] Oh my God.

[2529] That's fucking beauty to watch.

[2530] That Danny Jacobs fight where he was like slipping all those punches standing right in front of him.

[2531] It's just, it's gorgeous.

[2532] That's, that probably was the best to watch.

[2533] The best defensive movement, head movement, I think I've ever seen from my middleweight.

[2534] That punchy crack, Humboy's eye.

[2535] Oh, my God.

[2536] Jesus Christ.

[2537] I thought his eye was coming out of the fucking eyes.

[2538] It was ruthless.

[2539] His whole face, have you seen what it looked like?

[2540] When his whole face was completely shattered.

[2541] He's a fucking cyber now.

[2542] All fucking dead.

[2543] All metal and screwed into place and to keep his head together.

[2544] And the one with Collette Plan.

[2545] It was like, holy shit.

[2546] Bro, he's a killer.

[2547] He's a straight -up killer.

[2548] The crazy thing.

[2549] thing is now he wants to go up to Cruiserweight and Ussick said he wants to fight him at cruiserweight i don't know if he wants to take that fight i feel at this point taking that fight will only make you better because let's see let's see he lose there yeah he got nothing to lose right but think about the reward if you put risk against reward taking that risk if he can beat usick jesus christ he's the greatest of all time if he beats usick that's what i'm saying if he lose that fight he's like i try fuck you if he go and win, good Lord.

[2550] Usik is phenomenal.

[2551] He's real, too.

[2552] He's so good.

[2553] He's so good.

[2554] He's so good.

[2555] He's very big.

[2556] But that's the thing about Canelo.

[2557] He seems to keep having the hunger that he had before sleeping on a nice bed.

[2558] So that's what keeps him alive.

[2559] Well, not just that, but also he's like looking at it very calculated.

[2560] Like he wants these challenges to take these chances.

[2561] Caleb Plant was the biggest challenge in his.

[2562] his legitimate weight class, at 168 pounds.

[2563] And then he decided, well, he also has Arthur Beaterbiv.

[2564] That guy's a motherfucker.

[2565] I don't know that one.

[2566] You don't know who he is?

[2567] No, that one.

[2568] Holy shit.

[2569] Pull up Arthur Beterbiv's highlights.

[2570] He's this Russian assassin.

[2571] He's fucking terrifying.

[2572] He's the light heavyweight champion.

[2573] Just by being a Russian, you're already tough.

[2574] This guy is a motherfucker.

[2575] He's one of the most murderous punchers ever in the history of the light heavyweight division.

[2576] He's 100 % knocker.

[2577] All of his fights are knockouts.

[2578] That's scary.

[2579] This motherfucker is terrifying.

[2580] I mean, he puts people in wars.

[2581] See if you feel like a highlight, because I want to see him in real time.

[2582] Is this a highlight video?

[2583] Like the guys I watch for myself.

[2584] Watch this motherfucker.

[2585] He hits guys with seemingly normal punches and just murders him.

[2586] And he takes it to everybody.

[2587] Every fight's a fucking war.

[2588] And he's been dropped.

[2589] He's been dropped in fights because he forces guys to fight these chaotic wars with him, but he eventually crushes everybody.

[2590] He's a real dog.

[2591] I'm pretty sure his win ratio is 100 % by chaos.

[2592] Well, see if he could Google that.

[2593] Because I don't think anybody's made it to the final bell with him.

[2594] He seems like he's very aggressive.

[2595] Oh, my God, he's super aggressive.

[2596] He's super aggressive, super conditioned, but he's 36 or 37 now, and, you know, You know, it's about to start leaving him.

[2597] Yeah, it's going to eventually go away.

[2598] See if you find his, his, um, his, uh, his, uh, his, uh, Wikipedia, because I'm pretty sure.

[2599] The guys that I watch for myself, like, that I want to, like, mimic is Eric Morales and Robert to Durant.

[2600] Oh, those are the two guys.

[2601] Duran and the lightweight days.

[2602] That's a real prime.

[2603] That's the real prime.

[2604] Yeah, people think of him as a welterweight.

[2605] But Duran in the lightweight days, so he's 100 % undefeated, and I'm pretty sure they're all knockouts.

[2606] Yeah, they all are.

[2607] They're all knockouts, which is fucking wild.

[2608] What is RTD?

[2609] Referee, technical, what does that mean?

[2610] It says corner retirement.

[2611] Oh, so the guy quit.

[2612] Yeah, so it's the same.

[2613] That's the same thing.

[2614] It's a chaos.

[2615] Yeah, all knockouts.

[2616] And the motherfucker just puts it on people, man. And they're talking about him fighting Canelo, too.

[2617] It's, again, it's one of those things.

[2618] If he's going to fight Canelo, I want to see him fight Canelo now.

[2619] Now, before he gets told.

[2620] Not in five years.

[2621] Not a 41.

[2622] Right.

[2623] I'll show you in that one.

[2624] Yeah.

[2625] If you fights him now, it's a very interesting fight.

[2626] Because he's all -K -O.

[2627] He's all -K -O, and he's so fucking aggressive, man. Bitterbeef is terrified.

[2628] For me, that's the only way to fight.

[2629] That's what I like to do.

[2630] I don't like going for a walk.

[2631] I go straight at the point.

[2632] Yeah.

[2633] Yeah.

[2634] Yeah.

[2635] And most guys lately, they wrestle me. That's why I'm focused on get that part also sharp because...

[2636] Who are you working with you wrestling?

[2637] Daryl Christians helped me with the Greco, and then this guy from up north, Easy Sylva, I've been working with him lately for the freestyle.

[2638] Because I use a lot of offenses, body luck.

[2639] That's how I like to take people down.

[2640] But most people will attack me with double legs or single legs.

[2641] And that's the part I'm working with this other guy from Fresno State, which for instance they have a great wrestling so is your regular camp when you're in camp how much like how does your how's your camp structured are you doing strength and conditioning everything so how many days a week you're doing that like weight conditioning um i work with this guy named corey busley i've been working with him since i moved to college for six years he works on you know power strength you know we use catables bulgarian sandbags with quite a lot i'm a squad person I can squat all the time.

[2642] I believe that get your testosterone higher.

[2643] I believe that brings you splosion and everything.

[2644] Dead lifts as well.

[2645] Of course, those two.

[2646] Those two things really do.

[2647] Those are the kings on real power.

[2648] And I personally, that's what I crave.

[2649] I tell him all the time, like, out of camp, let's lift heavy.

[2650] But of course, you got to listen to the coaches to get results.

[2651] So he planned me out.

[2652] We work twice a week with him.

[2653] And then on top of that, I do all my running.

[2654] that I find times to do that it's either four in the morning or late at night so you run all through camp I run year round I run on five week really oh yeah no kidding because I think about things make me I get my I let my brain flow things I want to say a meditation exactly yeah but then I work every morning with Porillo Monday through Friday in the morning and then every Sunday I figured it out my scale where to put the gym where to put wrestling and I make like a map of every single day take a picture send it to Parillo so I'm like hey coach what days you want me to spar and where days you want me to go hard so to put in a different day hard wrestling or hard grappling because for Jitsu I go with the Mendez brothers oh great those fucking guys are real killers man and lately Hafa has been coming to help me because Gis is like who corners me and you know teach me but half a been making like a comeback to the gym and we're doing noggy just me and him for one hour wow good luck trying to scoring a punk to that fucking guy sometimes I's like he has me you want to keep going I'm like you know I'm a fighter I keep going I try as hard as I can but then I'm like let's just drill like teach me from here from there and that's a guy that won ADCC without any Nogi experience all he won was in the game and he went overnight to ADCC and won that so that's impressive technique is so pristine so perfect he's wrestling sometimes i shoot and i'm deep on a double like and i'm going like a mad dog trying to take him down and he just go to my back and chuck me out i don't know how he do it he does some crazy shit like that sometimes i feel like oh finally i'm going to lock it today and he just figured it out and he always told me like hey don't you focus about you never defend somebody's attacking you you attack them so the mindset that he half is like always attack.

[2655] Your defense is your attack.

[2656] So every time I'm rolling with him and I'm attacking something, he's already doing something else.

[2657] And then we stop.

[2658] He's playing me some things.

[2659] We go again in life.

[2660] He's playing me some things.

[2661] It's like, holy shit.

[2662] They both kick my eyes so hard.

[2663] It's so interesting when you're working with total specialists, right?

[2664] Like whether it's with boxing or jujitsu, like someone is just a specialist.

[2665] And you realize how many layers there are and how many levels there are.

[2666] Sometimes I bring MMGlubs like the puffy ones.

[2667] and I'm trying to crack their head they still you know because they told me like Hamon Lemons used to coach Anderson Silva that's his main that's the guy who kind of like make them that's his ankle Anderson Silva was taken down by Kormier and he didn't eat a punch so that's how good like he wasn't you remember when he triangle Chal Sun and the fight he was losing exactly he would lose four rounds and four minutes yeah and then poop caught that triangle at the end of the fight the things like Anderson was so good in the stand -up that his jujitsu was overrated underrated yeah sorry nobody knew how good it was but I'm a fucking nerd even when I was in Ecuador I knew Hamong Lemons was like the guy so someone said if I moved to Cali one day I want to turn with the Mendez brothers nice and they're being I've been with them for a couple years now and they're fucking good is everything in the general area near you my house is a mile away from Ruka Oh nice The headquarters Where I talk with Parillo And the Mendez Bros are literally A mile away from Ruka Oh beautiful So I can I bike sometimes too I have electric bikes And I just go near of them Oh that's nice And then That's what I plan Like I do three four grappling classes a week I train every morning with Perillo And the opposite day of aspiring I just wrestle my ass off I bring like a couple high school kids that fucking kick my ass so I can get used to that scramble pressure and you know we just go and then you know conditioning twice a week but I don't have anything else outside this there's no there's no social life like I'm training right I said myself I want to be a world champion this is it how old do you know?

[2668] 29 just turned 29 so you're right about in your athletic prime yeah right now yeah so like this is the time I got to take advantage of these years because this year will be gone soon.

[2669] So now is when I keep it's gym, family.

[2670] Right.

[2671] Going back to the gym.

[2672] Right.

[2673] Sleep, going back to the gym.

[2674] So, like, there's nothing.

[2675] And it's Monday through Monday.

[2676] I don't believe on, like, breaks or stuff like that.

[2677] If you're doing it right, if you're not drinking, if you're not fucking around, you can pull it off.

[2678] And I feel right now my next fight is the one that will take me to the bell.

[2679] What is your next fight?

[2680] I think they will give me Manny Bank next.

[2681] And I believe it's going to...

[2682] Like a Manny Bank next.

[2683] Manny Bang?

[2684] Like a main event.

[2685] Oh, main event.

[2686] There you go.

[2687] Thank you, sir.

[2688] I thought you're saying someone's name.

[2689] I'm like, who is this?

[2690] Yeah, it's a Russian band.

[2691] Manny Bang?

[2692] Yeah.

[2693] Mani Pakea?

[2694] Yeah.

[2695] Main event.

[2696] It seems like we go in that route, most like in February.

[2697] So, and the good thing about it is like, like, Like, since the Frankie fight, there was no, like, time off vacation.

[2698] I went straight back to the gym.

[2699] And today, right now, if I have to fight next week, I can make weight and I can fight.

[2700] When you think about the beginning of your career and then you think about beating Frankie Edgar.

[2701] In MSG.

[2702] MSG makes everything twice harder and better and cooler.

[2703] But it must have been almost surreal, right?

[2704] It was real.

[2705] that whole fight week I was feeling weird I was so happy I was so excited about the moment that for a minute I thought I'm going to lose this fight I feel too loose I feel too good I feel like everything is perfect I was happy and I was like wait a minute normally you want to be a little anxious nervous but I think it was New York energy that put me there like I was just waking up every day good I was ready to fight then I went in the next Saturday night waiting the whole day because I was the fight before the common event so I fought late night so the whole day you're sitting down in my room I was like holy shit I'm about to fight in MSG like there's nothing bigger than that no there's no second arena no it's MSG and the rest right and for me just knowing all the Ali all the big fights that happened there all the big concerts that happened there yeah I'm like I'm a fucking guy from Ecuador about to blow the fucking roof.

[2706] I was like, now is when?

[2707] I told myself, I'm pretty hard on me. If you don't win this fight, be ready just to be the guy that is around.

[2708] I told me myself like that.

[2709] You lose his fight.

[2710] You're fucked.

[2711] There's no second chances.

[2712] There's not another MSG card for you.

[2713] You lose his fight.

[2714] You lose your ticket to the belt.

[2715] What do you rank now?

[2716] Eight.

[2717] Eight.

[2718] And so who's above, let me see, can you pull up the bantamweight record, the, the, the, um, rankings.

[2719] So, yeah, so look at you got ahead of you.

[2720] Dominic, Marabon.

[2721] Dominic, who just won.

[2722] Dominic looked good.

[2723] It looked good, yeah.

[2724] It looked good.

[2725] It looked like Dominic of old.

[2726] My, my fight with Aldo last December, that was close.

[2727] Very close.

[2728] That was close.

[2729] And if you see how Aldo kicks fund us.

[2730] It's like, tells me, put me in a good spot because it's like, with me, it was a fight that I definitely lose the fight on getting my back taken, but I wasn't getting...

[2731] And I felt that I was trying so hard to escape.

[2732] You know, if I stand up, I'm throwing him in the ground, I'm punching, even if he's from behind, I'm trying to do more.

[2733] And that's one fight I've been asking for do it again, but I think they will match him with TJ.

[2734] Peter will fight Aljaman.

[2735] Yep.

[2736] And it's only four, five, and six a bail.

[2737] Yeah, and then Corey has, he's got to fight somebody else again.

[2738] Marab looked great in his last fight too.

[2739] Against Marlon Morales.

[2740] Holy shit, that was crazy, right?

[2741] Marlon almost had him out.

[2742] The thing with Marlon, he emptied the gas tank.

[2743] He has one gas tank.

[2744] He emptied that one.

[2745] I think he cuts too much weight.

[2746] He's a 45.

[2747] He's so big.

[2748] He's 5 '1, but he's built like a great buck.

[2749] It's a tank.

[2750] He looks like a pit bull.

[2751] He should go to 45.

[2752] and I'm sure he will have a good career.

[2753] What does he weigh when he walks around, do you think?

[2754] I don't know, but that fucker is twice as me. He looks like 160, 170.

[2755] He's huge.

[2756] Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

[2757] And the thing with him is like, he can fucking punch.

[2758] He has a break.

[2759] He can fucking kick, too, man. He can everything.

[2760] Yeah.

[2761] But he can only do it once.

[2762] Yeah.

[2763] If he don't stop you, like he did with a Starlin or Jimmy Rivera.

[2764] Or Sehudo.

[2765] Same thing.

[2766] Yeah, but Sehudo did that to him.

[2767] Right, but in the same first round, he couldn't stop him.

[2768] Chop him.

[2769] He looked like a fucking murderer.

[2770] And then in the second round, he just faded.

[2771] And part I give that to Sohudo, because Sohudo's an animal.

[2772] He has a champion mentality.

[2773] Yeah, he's an animal.

[2774] Sohudo is, you cannot make that man quit.

[2775] No. There's no quitting in him.

[2776] You have to kill him.

[2777] And he is a fucking, he's just so savage as a competitor.

[2778] But in the beginning, I thought, Suhudo's fucked.

[2779] I'm like, Marlon Marais is a straight -up killer.

[2780] And I will keep bringing this over and over.

[2781] It's a mindset.

[2782] Yeah.

[2783] you're getting your ass kick, but if you stay on the fight, if that fucking bell haven't ring, you're still having a chance.

[2784] When he knocked out Jimmy Rivera with that switch kick to the head and then the same shit to Al Jamein.

[2785] When Al Jamein went to sleep like that, and now Alcho's the champion.

[2786] Marlon can do that to anybody.

[2787] It's just he can't...

[2788] The thing is like the moment...

[2789] He's got to make an adjustment.

[2790] People figured it out.

[2791] He has one sprint.

[2792] Right, but why?

[2793] Why is he stay so muscular?

[2794] If he just lost a little bit of weight, don't you think he would be able to maintain that better but you know some people is just built like that right that's what i say i've been saying this for years go to 45 bro yeah like you should go to 45 you're acting like a weak man you're coming down to be the bigger man even if he's dying he's huge when things don't go his way though he quit it usually ends he quit he gets beat up like rob font fucked him up that was that was a big one that was but the marab fight was crazy because i was there i thought for sure he had Marab out in that first round.

[2795] It looked close to being stopped.

[2796] I was there.

[2797] It was really close to be stopped.

[2798] But I also, I was with a friend.

[2799] I was like, look, if Marab get a whole of his leg and just hug him, he quit in the next round.

[2800] Marab, you want to talk about immigrant mentality?

[2801] That motherfucker's got it, too.

[2802] He's got it.

[2803] I'm going to tell you one thing.

[2804] Guys like that, guys like Peter Jan, carriages like Sandhagen, make me wake up every morning thinking I got a shit to be done.

[2805] Because if you sleep, if you're thinking like you're fine, those motherfuckers, I want to give you a nightmare, I want to kick your eyes.

[2806] I wake up every day thinking I'm going to fight one of those three guys next.

[2807] Well, that's a good way to think because they're in your wheelhouse.

[2808] They are.

[2809] That could be your next big fight.

[2810] One of those guys could be your next big fight.

[2811] I think San Hagen is going to be next.

[2812] You think so?

[2813] I really believe so.

[2814] And if it's any other guy, I'll be taken.

[2815] And do you believe that's going to be February?

[2816] So that'll be the Houston card?

[2817] maybe oh houston yeah that's houston that would that was i think that's a paper view yeah that's a asanian i think my favorite would be in Vegas oh you think so i believe so that would be probably march i heard february there is a february ufc card yeah in Vegas oh so they're going to be two pay -per -views in that month i believe it's a finite oh i'm just speaking of my thoughts yeah i haven't got anything conclude i just say send me contract i'll be ready.

[2818] Semi -location.

[2819] Location with a five -rounder and I'll be ready.

[2820] Yeah.

[2821] That was one of my favorite fucking quotes ever from Kibibb.

[2822] Same location.

[2823] Send location.

[2824] I feel if you are, if you take this as a lifestyle, like this is our jobs.

[2825] Like when fighters are like after at the end of each camp they want vacation.

[2826] I'm like a fucking surgeon when it's open your grandma's heart he's not go to vacation after each surgery.

[2827] He works every day.

[2828] Right Sometimes I see fighters They just They just don't work Yep But it's You work You pay for What has I said You get what you put it on for Yes And if you're not putting Everything on You won't You won't You won't You won't So That's what like Myself I'm on it The whole time Because there's not many Years we have In this game No And time goes fast Do you know How old do you think you want to be when you retire?

[2829] Have you thought about that?

[2830] Sometimes.

[2831] I think 36.

[2832] I want to have a good life.

[2833] I want to serve the rest of my life.

[2834] I want to run.

[2835] I want to be fit.

[2836] But I want to set my kids.

[2837] I want to set myself.

[2838] I want to get the belt first.

[2839] I feel if I get the belt, I can do anything I want.

[2840] Because that will bring all the opportunities.

[2841] If you don't make it that far, you just made it halfway.

[2842] And then how you get things.

[2843] You know what I'm saying?

[2844] Right.

[2845] I feel like if you get the belt, if you do all that for the bill, from then you can defend it, and there's a lot that comes with that.

[2846] So first and first, I think in my life I had my daughter Sarah Yudis first.

[2847] I did that.

[2848] Get a home in California.

[2849] I did that.

[2850] The bell just left.

[2851] Well, my brother, I'm looking forward to watch you fight again.

[2852] I'm a big fan.

[2853] Thank you.

[2854] And it's cool as fuck to have you here to talk to you.

[2855] Your story's amazing.

[2856] I love stories like that.

[2857] Thank you so much.

[2858] I love people that just get after it and hustle and put in the work.

[2859] And that's you, my friend.

[2860] And you put the word out, you know, telling newspapers and now you're here.

[2861] So it's things that you can relate to and you can use them to push you forward.

[2862] So I appreciate you too.

[2863] All right.

[2864] My man, Marlon.

[2865] Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.

[2866] Tune in to this motherfucker because he's a bad man. Thank you so much.

[2867] Thank you, everybody.

[2868] Bye -bye.