#2057 - Dale Brisby

[0] Joe Rogan podcast, checking out.

[1] The Joe Rogan Experience.

[2] Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[3] Joe Rogan.

[4] It's a pleasure.

[5] Pleasure to meet you.

[6] Likewise.

[7] I feel like I shouldn't have these on either.

[8] Show me that hat, bro.

[9] Let's go.

[10] Oh.

[11] There's a couple.

[12] I hope I didn't overdo it.

[13] I've been here for three years.

[14] It's about time I wore one of these fucking hats.

[15] My brother made this belt and buckle.

[16] Oh, nice.

[17] That was an idea I had.

[18] Oh, that's very cool Oh, fuck yeah Oh, it's got my name on it and everything Yeah, that's a handmade It's got a little elk antler Look at that, folks It's Christmas Christmas, really I hope that fits I hope it fits too Here we go I got a fat head Oh, it's backwards Oh Oh my gosh Is that good?

[19] Bro, that fits How's it look, Jamie?

[20] All right You fucking...

[21] That face.

[22] Honestly, I don't know how they're supposed to fit.

[23] That's pretty close.

[24] Because they stick up a lot, and I feel like that's not how it's supposed to be, but everybody says that is how it's.

[25] So it does, there's, like, two modes that you can put it in.

[26] Yeah.

[27] You know, like, there's just, like, if you're just out honky tonking, or then if you're about to, like, you know, get on a bronch or something.

[28] I don't get serious.

[29] And you, like, pull it down, it makes your ears crunch.

[30] No. That's like a fight mode.

[31] I think maybe this is too small.

[32] I was thinking it's a three -eighth.

[33] Does it stretch?

[34] A little bit, but I'll get you a half.

[35] Yeah, heat it up?

[36] Yeah, steam it.

[37] Steam it.

[38] It's the whole thing, I don't know.

[39] Made here in Texas.

[40] Are they?

[41] It's American hat made in Texas.

[42] It feels like an American hat made in Texas.

[43] I'll get you, I'll get you a half.

[44] That's a three -eight.

[45] It's pretty close.

[46] But it's pretty close.

[47] It's right about there.

[48] It feels like I'm fucking real.

[49] Real Texan, God damn it.

[50] That's what I was thinking.

[51] I was like, my man's needs a cowboy hat.

[52] I definitely need one.

[53] Now I have one.

[54] We're good.

[55] Now I feel complete.

[56] I'm real close to saying y 'all.

[57] Yeah.

[58] I'm getting close a couple times.

[59] Right around the corner.

[60] I've been here for three years now.

[61] Yeah.

[62] I'm never moving.

[63] I fucking love this place.

[64] Do you?

[65] Yeah.

[66] Love it.

[67] I can't imagine living anywhere else.

[68] Texas is fun.

[69] It's just like you go everywhere else and there's so many rules.

[70] You're like, Why?

[71] Why do you guys have all these rules?

[72] Like, do we really need them?

[73] Does it make you better?

[74] Does it make society better?

[75] Does it make you safer?

[76] Fuck out of here.

[77] I feel like in Texas, you can experience true freedom.

[78] Yeah.

[79] Well, this is a crazy place.

[80] Do you ever read the history of the place?

[81] You ever read like any books on how this place was sort of established, like when they conquered the Comanches and the Texas Rangers?

[82] The Yano Estacado and all that.

[83] Wow.

[84] The history is just so.

[85] so insane like no wonder why they resisted becoming a state for so on like we got this brutal yeah some of that some of those stories are just like oh my god you got to set them down come back to them yeah empire the summer moon is like that like there's some of the horrific tales of torture and what they who those come at you were some wild folks they were some wild folks i mean if i could have like uh like an invisible bubble and go back in time and just experienced it without them knowing I was there I would love to see what that was like yeah it was a brutal time man I feel like brutal have you seen Lonesome Dove yes yeah I feel like it's probably pretty close to what it was like yeah I mean just guessing I mean everyone's just sort of trying to recreate those moments and try to but I think the it's just hard to believe that just, I mean, when did they really conquer this area?

[86] It was like the 1800s.

[87] So less than 200 years ago.

[88] Not that long ago.

[89] Not that long ago.

[90] This place was wild.

[91] Yeah, like, my great, great granddad was a Texas Ranger.

[92] And, like, he actually met Quanta Parker.

[93] Whoa.

[94] Yeah.

[95] And, like, sitting in a teepee with him.

[96] Whoa.

[97] And, like, he wrote a book.

[98] It's, like, really wild times of back in the day and, like, homesteading.

[99] But it was like, I'm not that far away from meeting that guy.

[100] I mean, obviously, you can't meet your great, great -granddad, but, like, you can almost reach out and touch them.

[101] Yeah, not that far when you think about a human life, like, how long ago it was.

[102] Right.

[103] I would say, like, 1776, the United States was established, people lived to be 100.

[104] That's three people ago.

[105] Three people ago.

[106] That's three people ago.

[107] It's three people ago.

[108] I mean, it's, when you think about it that way, you're like, wait, for real?

[109] Right.

[110] Three people ago was 1776, but yeah, you put them birth to death.

[111] That's real.

[112] That's real.

[113] That's real.

[114] That is all fucking snap of the fingers when it comes to human history.

[115] It's nothing.

[116] Yeah.

[117] Yeah.

[118] That's why people go to talking about changing, like, I don't know, we're changing pretty fast.

[119] It's changing pretty fast here right now.

[120] I think maybe we could slow down a little bit.

[121] I wish we could.

[122] I had Elon Musk on the other day.

[123] We were talking about AI, like slowing down artificial intelligence.

[124] And, you know, he's basically like, yeah, I said maybe we should do that, but no one's going to listen.

[125] Yeah, he went to that conference at the end of it.

[126] Yeah, it's fucking scary shit, dude.

[127] Because as quickly as the world changed for the Native Americans when the Europeans moved here, that that world is going to change even quicker for us if AI takes over.

[128] It's the Terminator man and he's like he's so close to it and he's worried about it the way he talked about you know just like the extinction people and you guys are like that's a whole other world I didn't realize like people that don't value human life are in charge of this it's like it gets a little scary yeah there's some people out there that are not well and they miss the point and they probably don't have anybody around them that gets it but anybody that says like I'm I don't want to have kids, and why would you have kids today?

[129] I would never want to bring a kid up in this world.

[130] People had kids before they figured out floors.

[131] Right.

[132] That's why we're here.

[133] Yeah.

[134] Like, don't you like people?

[135] This is my thing.

[136] Like, you don't want to have kids?

[137] Like, how do you think people get made?

[138] You need kids, and then they become people that you like.

[139] Right.

[140] Like, yeah, it's a lot of responsibility.

[141] Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's difficult.

[142] It's a hard.

[143] If shit goes wrong for them, it feels terrible for you.

[144] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the world's crazy, but there's more books and medicine and information now than ever.

[145] Yeah, there's fucking, there's never been a time when people have been alive ever that didn't have problems.

[146] We create fucking problems.

[147] We just kind of swapped them for the early days.

[148] You know, it's just different problems.

[149] Yeah, we don't have to worry about starving to death anymore.

[150] Now we have to worry about being too fat and eating ourselves to death.

[151] It's a different problem.

[152] We just got to put them on carnivore.

[153] That would help.

[154] Yep.

[155] That would help.

[156] But then the people that are thinking they should eat bugs and only vegetables are freaking out.

[157] Yeah.

[158] You know, because there's this mantra that people chant out that like you need to stop eating meat to save the world.

[159] Like that's not going to work, kids.

[160] Right.

[161] That's not going to do it.

[162] That's not going to do it.

[163] You want to say we should get rid of factory farming.

[164] Yeah, horrific conditions that animals live under.

[165] There's no reason for that.

[166] They should be living like regenerative farming.

[167] We should figure that out.

[168] Animals should live like animals are supposed to live.

[169] It should be stuffed into little cages and, you know, fucking pumped by machines to get their milk out.

[170] Like, it would be nice if things were more nature -like.

[171] Like, if you get a good regenerative farm, like White Oaks, Pastures or someplace like that, what they do is just recreate nature in a contained environment.

[172] Yeah.

[173] Cattle's roamed.

[174] Chickens roam.

[175] You use the manure to fertilize your food.

[176] That's how people are supposed to do it.

[177] Yeah.

[178] Vertical integration.

[179] Yeah, it's supposed to be like an ecosystem that it all, nature knows how to do it.

[180] It all works together.

[181] And when it does that, it's basically carbon neutral, which is really incredible.

[182] But instead of concentrating on the things we're doing wrong, they just have like this blanket solution.

[183] We eliminate meat and save the planet.

[184] Like, you're still not going to save the planet.

[185] Like, it's not, and it's not saving the planet.

[186] It's saving the human impact of the planet.

[187] And unless China's on board, unless India's on.

[188] board you're not going to put a dent in that right it just seems like yeah like maybe it is making an impact but like if everything else that's going on is going to cause it i mean how much of an impact at what cost you know like jordan peterson talks about with are there some other things we could be doing with like helping poverty you know raising up the poverty that would be much better you know what i mean like all these resources that are going towards certain things like i'm not saying we shouldn't do some of it but are there some other ways that I kind of threw out the playbook, as far as, like, nutrition, somebody said half the people that die of a heart attack didn't have high cholesterol.

[189] I think it was on Huberman.

[190] Really?

[191] And, I mean, you can fact check me, but, like, I'm pretty sure, like, Huberman has said that, but, like, 50 % of the people that died of a heart attack didn't have high cholesterol.

[192] And that, like, high cholesterol, it just made me question everything.

[193] I'm not trying to make, like, some scientific claim because I'm a cowboy.

[194] boy, but it made me, it's like maybe meat is less of an enemy than what mainstream is trying to tell everybody.

[195] That's the main point.

[196] Meat is eaten by 95 % of the people on the planet.

[197] And we have since the beginning of time.

[198] If meat was killing everybody, that would have killed us awful long time ago.

[199] Meat's the most nutrient dense food you can eat.

[200] We just have all these problems in this country in terms of what narratives are being spread and what information's being spread.

[201] And one of the big ones that started it off was, was it the first of the 50s of the 60s were the sugar industry.

[202] So the 1950s, the sugar industry paid off the scientists to fake this study, to fake these results, and have it say that saturated fat is the cause of heart disease and not sugar.

[203] Because there was an obvious increase.

[204] So here it is.

[205] Documents show the trade group called Sugar Research Foundation, known today as the Sugar Association, paid three Harvard scientists, the equivalent of about 50.

[206] $30 ,000 and today's dollars to publish a 1967 review of research on sugar, fat, and heart disease.

[207] So it was a complete bullshit heart paper that these guys created that had everyone, including me when I was growing up, and most people that have listened to this that haven't looked into it, we thought that saturated fat was causing heart disease when really it was sugar.

[208] Right.

[209] The massive overconsumption of sugar that started when people started adding sugar to everything.

[210] adding corn syrup to everything.

[211] When they subsidized corn and they have this corn, turned it into corn syrup, started adding a sweetener to everything.

[212] And, like, people started getting fat as fuck and having heart attacks.

[213] And the sugar industry is like, we've got to blame somebody else.

[214] Who are we going to blame?

[215] Let's blame this thing that people have been eating since the beginning of time.

[216] Let's blame saturated fat.

[217] And let's say, you know, the dietary cholesterol affects your overall health.

[218] And, like, God damn, cholesterol is, like, literally what you need to form hormones.

[219] It's a building.

[220] of your human body it's like it's critical yeah it's a critical yeah it's a critical thing and there's LDL and HDL and to try to figure out what's well you need like a like a Huberman to sit down and break something like that down to you and then there's also hereditary issues that people have some people really should be on a low cholesterol diet and some people have heart disease they're born with there's a lot of factors yeah yeah the um the carbs and the sugar that's the big one man that's the big one you can cut that shit out of your life you'll be better off you'll be better off a lot better off and I mean all carbs aren't you on it right now I'm on carnivore diet yeah but I did eat a pizza with minus the pizza couldn't stop couldn't stop thank God Jamie took it away and then you got mad at him for taking it I know it's like fucking I was like a gollum in the ring my precious how many of those slices did you smoke down at least five or six right?

[221] There's only two left.

[222] So he only had like, what or two?

[223] I ate most of the pie.

[224] That's why he took it.

[225] He wanted a piece.

[226] He didn't want a piece.

[227] He did not.

[228] He was not interested in fish.

[229] Jamie is an anti -fish man. That's right.

[230] You said that.

[231] You know how people are pulling all the fish out of the ocean?

[232] Jamie is not responsible for any of that.

[233] He lives guilt -free about the fish genocide.

[234] Nothing to do with that.

[235] If I had a piece of pizza, it would wreck me right now.

[236] Well, you just got done working out with Tim Kennedy.

[237] Yes.

[238] That's not a good idea to do.

[239] anything where you have to be functional for the rest of the day my man tie in there that was with us yeah we got done with the warm up and he went in the bathroom start throwing up the warm up like Tim's warm -ups are way more extreme than most people's workouts yeah and he does that all the time he's not fucking around just for you that's like he just took you he just he didn't have to torture you just take you and do what he does and that'll torture you by itself well I got him a ticket last night to your show and that was how he repaid me. He was like all right I'll go with you.

[240] He was playing on torching you anyway.

[241] He told me when he was when he had when he was sitting in here he told me he was going to get you.

[242] Yeah I don't work out with that fucking dude.

[243] Get out of here man. He did.

[244] He's that that's a real savage right there.

[245] Bonified like I was saying I bet that dude makes his gum bleed every time he brushes his teeth he does everything hard.

[246] Yeah he works out the way you would expect him to after you You have a conversation with him.

[247] Oh, yeah, he's intense.

[248] Yeah.

[249] But, you know, we need people like that.

[250] I'd like to see him and Cam workout together.

[251] Oh, it'd be fun.

[252] Yeah.

[253] Has he not done Cam Show yet?

[254] Not yet.

[255] Oh, he needs to do Cam show.

[256] He's talked about it.

[257] Oh, they have to do it, yeah.

[258] Those are the only two times I've thrown up in workouts.

[259] And with Cam?

[260] And with Cam.

[261] Yeah, Cam is all about reps. He'll make you do like 100 reps of 135 pounds.

[262] Like, what the fuck are we doing, dude?

[263] We got off that mountain and went straight to the bow.

[264] rack and i kept going into the bathroom we're just in my bow and i kept going the bathroom and wayne was like i think he needed to check on him and cam was like well he's fine we just it was like 12 miles and i was throwing up it was coming out both ends uh him and tim they're the only ones that got me like it's hard to shoot after you that tired too yeah it's hard to stay like stay stable if i come here after lifting and i try to shoot my arms are just they don't communicate Well no my arm doesn't want to stay steady this arm's all shaky it's just he you know he calls it lift run shoot but I fucking think it should be shoot lift run I don't think you should I don't when I practice like archery in the morning I don't do jack shit before I practice archery Yeah I want to be loose I loosen my arms up a little I take some breathing exercises I don't want to be out of breath I don't be anything like I know on the mountains there's going to be moments where you're out of breath and all that stuff but i feel like getting in shape is the solution for that right i don't think the solution is try to shoot when you're exhausted you just develop bad habits but cam doesn't really shoot before he he's called it lift run shoot but he really shoots before he lifts yeah he'll tell you the same thing like you know you really want to be you want to confidence in your shooting and the only way to do that really is to be like relaxed and not not exhausted you don't want your arms exhausted the whole idea is like you're trying to build repetition over you need thousands of reps to be able to execute the way he does yeah you know you watch him every fucking day he does the same way every day every day is muscle memory it's just built into him yeah it was it was intense being up there there's a lot of similarities between him and Tim you know being around him yeah and I'm sure you're pretty similar to both of those guys but I'm a little more loose than those fellows I like to get fucked up I like to party a little well I like to have fun yeah you're also a comedian so yeah it's different but it's far in the comedian world I'm about as disciplined as it gets I can tell in the comedian world my my life the way I live is a little odd well if if you're thinking about what I think you're thinking like how long yeah was like an hour last night that you were on stage.

[265] I had two shows, too.

[266] I had a 10 o 'clock, too.

[267] And I just kept thinking, like, damn, like, that's a lot of work and the timing of it.

[268] And, like, I can't imagine the work you have to put it.

[269] Because, like, I got a comedian in my bio, but that's really, like, YouTube.

[270] You know, YouTube is a little different than stand -up.

[271] Yeah, it is.

[272] It's different because you're not doing in front of a live audience.

[273] But it's still being funny.

[274] You know, I'm not dismissive of YouTube comedians.

[275] You know, there's a lot of people that don't like when YouTubers go and do live shows.

[276] I'm like, you should be happy that anyone's doing live shows.

[277] Let's have fun.

[278] Like, what do you give a fuck?

[279] You know, like some comedians don't like it when comedians use music or when they use props or when they use this or that.

[280] Like, who gives a fuck?

[281] Yeah.

[282] Just go have fun.

[283] Right.

[284] You can put on a good show.

[285] You can put on a good show with a slide show if you're good at it.

[286] Right.

[287] If you're good at a way to put together a great show with slide.

[288] Polly Shores there this weekend.

[289] And he's got this great show of like the history of his life.

[290] like all these jokes written into it and everything but he shows all these slides of him like as a young kid and all kinds of shit him being babysat by Sam Kinnison so it's like you could do comedy all kinds of ways and Polly does it regular way too but he put together this thing like yeah you slow why not you know fucking do a YouTube comedy show do fucking TikTok who gives a shit have fun yeah that's I guess my life was just kind of pointing a different direction with you know rodeoing and you know that was kind of my deal you know and that's what all my time has been my entire life is like in and around an arena or on the back of a horse out in a pasture but i've always had a respect for stand -up comedians that's kind of my skydiving i guess maybe one day you should try it yeah yeah just sit down come up with some stuff to talk about fuck around practice it record it see what it sounds like you know maybe try some jokes out on your friends yep you know you know Maybe sneak it in there if you have a couple of beers.

[291] Yep.

[292] Just fucking dip your toes in.

[293] Who knows, man?

[294] Most of the time with cameras, we'll do one take, but, yeah.

[295] You don't get that second take on stage.

[296] No, you don't.

[297] But you learn how to knock it.

[298] You don't get that second take on a horse either.

[299] That's 100 % true.

[300] Yeah, I mean, it's like with a lot of, you don't get that second take and you shoot an arrow at a bull.

[301] Right.

[302] It's like, you know, there's a lot of things in life you don't get a second take.

[303] You can prepare as much as you can prepare.

[304] Yeah.

[305] And then you've got to figure out how to, go with the flow you know to figure out the thing and that's what's fun what's fun is you don't know what's going to happen like we that's some of the most fun things in life you have fucking no idea where it's going to go well it's crazy about the the stand -up part is whenever guys you guys go to talking to the crowd like matt rife that you had on the other day and like his crowd work and stuff oh he's great at that yeah i get that's where i think it's like you're able to still be funny but i mean like it's improv oh yeah yeah a real good good good good guy who's really good at that is it's really fun to watch because they're just making a show out of thin air and fucking around with people.

[306] Hinchcliff's really good at that.

[307] Andrew Schultz is amazing at that.

[308] He might be the best at it.

[309] He's really good at that.

[310] Yeah.

[311] That Hinchcliff was hilarious.

[312] Oh, he's a man. He's a maniac.

[313] His delivery just throw, you know he's setting something up and then he just, yeah.

[314] This is kid Rick Ingram out of L .A. He's one of the best ever at Crowdwork.

[315] He's fucking amazing he'll do his whole show with crowd work he's really he's got baked in bits too that he could go to you know if like someone's from a specific place and it's fucking genius yeah he's a master at that but it's you know it's there's a bunch of different ways to do it you know you could you could do it i i feel like anybody could do it if you're funny right you're definitely funny yes sir no i appreciate it i feel like you know like i would get on a bull or a horse and like have a certain feeling and then that would be completely different for me i'm sure it would be swathing for a lot of you guys, you know, if you had to switch and get on a bull, obviously, but...

[316] Oh, yeah, every new crazy thing is a totally different experience, you know?

[317] Like, I can't imagine riding a fucking bull.

[318] That was one of one times on Fear Factor where I told the producers, don't do it.

[319] Don't do it.

[320] I got there, and they had these...

[321] One of the girls was like 98 pounds, just tiny little lady, and they had her ride in this boy, I go, dude, don't do this to these people.

[322] And the fucking...

[323] Stuntmen are some of the hardest dudes you will ever meet.

[324] Those dudes are not worried about broken bones.

[325] They break them all the time.

[326] They're not worried about shit.

[327] So they're not worried about themselves getting injured.

[328] They take precautions.

[329] You know, they're professional, but they're definitely not worried about these fuckers getting injured either.

[330] They don't want them to get injured, but they'll put them in danger.

[331] Yeah.

[332] And I was like, these are fucking bulls.

[333] And the stunt guy, he was hilarious.

[334] He always had a dip in his mouth, and he was on set so often that he stopped spitting his dip because he couldn't, like, carry around a cup.

[335] So he just started swallowing it.

[336] So he swallows his dip.

[337] What kind of a man?

[338] Is there swallowing dip for decades?

[339] There's a lot of them.

[340] That kind of dude.

[341] Yeah.

[342] And so he was like, don't worry, boo, they're stunt bulls.

[343] I go, there's stunt bulls.

[344] I go, is that bull no, he's a stunt bull?

[345] I bet he thinks he's a fucking bull.

[346] I bet he has no idea what a stunt bull is.

[347] Yeah.

[348] And the stunt bull is like a less aggressive.

[349] For sure.

[350] Yeah.

[351] That thing was aggressive as fuck.

[352] I call them, I call like the one I have, he would be like my bucket list bull.

[353] because like if somebody just wanted to get on a bull for the hell of it like I would put him on this one black bull we call him trunk he just jumps and kicks around there and he's a little he's kind of predictable and he's not mean at the end of it and then we've got some other bulls that you know we'll get it on in the gate and then be mean and might try to kill you but I imagine I vaguely remember the show and what I remember about it it would be like something probably a notch or two above trunk like my bucket list type bull ride like if you were to get on a bull, I will put you on trunk.

[354] Yeah, it's not going to happen.

[355] I'm so not interested in that.

[356] Right.

[357] They don't want to be on there.

[358] I don't want to be on there.

[359] We've got a relationship that way.

[360] We've got a good agreement.

[361] And normally I try to talk people out of it.

[362] Good.

[363] Like, I got, my whole program, like, revolves around, like, interns coming in.

[364] Like, my Netflix show was those, like, my interns learning how to rodeo.

[365] And they, and so I've got guys.

[366] coming in that want to ride bulls want to ride Bronx and I'll tell them like all the thing like listen number one you could die or worse you know you could die from the neck down and not the neck up you know right and I'll just be real with them I'll have three or four those conversations and if they still want to do it well then I'll teach them you know because there's there are some precautions you can take to minimize risk but there's always risk yeah you get you might get kicked yep stepped on you might get stomped you get stomped by a bullet Good Lord.

[367] Have you been stomped?

[368] Oh, yeah.

[369] What does that feel like?

[370] I broke a lot of bones.

[371] Like I broke my sternum.

[372] Like, you know, getting kicked, you know, stepped on in the chest.

[373] That one's pretty bad.

[374] But a lot of the worst ones would be like concussions.

[375] Those are the ones that'll stick with you.

[376] You know, those bones will heal.

[377] But the concussions will kind of, you know, that CTE.

[378] That's something that's not measured in rodeo.

[379] Right.

[380] You know what I mean?

[381] Right.

[382] You get some guys that all of a sudden start getting knocked out just, they can think about getting jerked down and it might knock them out.

[383] Yeah, that gets sketchy, right?

[384] Yeah.

[385] When their chin goes, yeah.

[386] Yeah.

[387] I mean, it's just like fighters.

[388] You get knocked out too many times and you get knocked out really easily.

[389] Right.

[390] It's very spooky to see.

[391] When I see it in fighters, it makes me very concerned.

[392] Like sometimes you got a guy who's just maybe had just too many fights.

[393] And they used to be real durable, and then you see him get dinged once.

[394] and you see, like, instantly the legs go.

[395] And you're like, oh, my God, he barely got touched.

[396] Yep.

[397] And he got rocked.

[398] Yeah, and there's just, I'm sure with fighters, too, there's just this, once that sport grabs a hold of your soul, it's so hard to let it go.

[399] And it's the most exciting moments of your life is winning and competing.

[400] And that high is so high that regular life seems like a dull gray.

[401] And I think it's very hard for them.

[402] And it's also hard for them because their identity.

[403] gets wrapped up and being a fighter.

[404] A lot of my friends that have retired, they really struggle like trying to figure out who they are afterwards.

[405] And then they entertain one more fight and it's like, but they don't really want a fight.

[406] They just want something that makes them excited again.

[407] Yes, sir.

[408] And there's kind of a, I think the winning and going down the road is part of it.

[409] And then you have those certain individuals that, and I think, I mean, know a lot of them in that world.

[410] I feel like cowboy is definitely one of them, Soroni, but like in rodeo, when there's somebody that is in love with the actual fight.

[411] Yeah.

[412] You know, like, I think a lot of people, and these guys get weeded out.

[413] They don't have that long of career in rodeo.

[414] I'm sure fighting's the same.

[415] That, like, they like to have fought.

[416] They like to have ridden bulls.

[417] But then you get those guys who, like, cameras are off.

[418] nobody's there and they don't like they want to get on a bronc like they love the thrill of that fight not on your head the gate opens right it's you and it's so pure it's so pure and i'm sure like a fighter that is just they're just hungry for it yeah the actual between the bells yeah that's what's scary maybe maybe all of them that on your level they're all like that i think they would have to be i guess to a degree once they get to the highest level i mean that that is who they are you know like Donald I mean he's a pure fighter but Donald is also very he has a lot of interests I'm not worried about Donald transitioning because he's he I think he has a legit possibility to be a movie star I think he could do it if any of those guys could do me movies are always looking for like a real hard looking cowboy motherfucker and Donald's that guy yeah I mean he's perfect for movies I could see him like Randy Couture has turned it into a career in films, you know, with the expendables movies and all kinds of other shit, I could see Donald doing that easy, 100%.

[419] Yeah, Chuck did it a little.

[420] Yeah, we're working on a comedy.

[421] I don't know if you saw his short that he did at his ranch the other day on Halloween.

[422] He put out like a 10 -minute, like a little mini movie.

[423] Donald did?

[424] Yeah, it's, it's really cool.

[425] It was very well put together.

[426] And we're working on, he and I are doing like a comedy where.

[427] Nice.

[428] Yeah.

[429] So.

[430] I got a guy working for me that's right in it right now.

[431] Beautiful.

[432] So it'll be fun.

[433] I love Donald.

[434] He's a wild boy.

[435] Yeah, he wants you to come out to his kids camp.

[436] That seems to be his passion.

[437] What is that?

[438] What is his kids camp?

[439] It's in the summer in June.

[440] He does like, he just has kids come out and they just learn to be like miniature cowboy serones.

[441] Like they, they, we shoot bows, guns.

[442] They roll every day.

[443] And they just, there's sessions.

[444] campfire sessions at night.

[445] That's like 50, 60 kid.

[446] That's his, that's probably the thing he's most passionate about now that he's done fighting.

[447] That's beautiful.

[448] He talks about it all the time.

[449] He's got a good heart.

[450] Yeah.

[451] He really does.

[452] Yeah.

[453] It's a good man. But he told a story on this podcast about getting trapped in a cave while cave diving with this dude and the dude panicked and the cave got filled up with mud.

[454] You couldn't see anything.

[455] Even though he was right there and I knew he survived, like it was one of the most fucking terrifying stories I've ever heard in my life because he was running out of air and he couldn't figure out how to get out of the cave because it was all filled with silt so he's like searching around for the opening to try to figure out how to get out yeah that's an intense story fuck thinking about his family thinking about his kids and his wife and never see them again he's going to die in this cave like fuck he's got that never quit attitude yeah and also like don't go cave diving with people who panic yeah you know just People who panic are dangerous.

[456] Don't do anything with people that panic.

[457] Don't do anything.

[458] You have to experience panic many times in your life and figure out how to manage that before you start fucking around in caves.

[459] That should not be the first time you really panic.

[460] I'm nervous if a situation went down that I'm not saying I'd be something badass.

[461] I'm just saying like I might be too desensitized having been around rodeo.

[462] Like an emergency situation would be like we'd be a, nine, 10 seconds into it before I'm like, oh, man, we need to do something.

[463] Right.

[464] Just because, like, seeing guys get crashed in the arena and, like, having to help them.

[465] You know, situations like that.

[466] Right.

[467] I don't know.

[468] But I'm sure fighters are the same way.

[469] They definitely get desensitized to people getting hurt.

[470] Yep.

[471] For sure.

[472] You know, one time my wife, she had, like, one of those SUVs with a hatchback thing, and she was taking something.

[473] out of the back and the corner of the door was above her head and she didn't know and she stood up and slammed it the corner of it right into the top of her head and blood starts trickling down her face she was freaking out and I looked at it I'm like it's like that big it's like a little cut we could super glue it I was like it's nothing yeah I was like to me it was like if that was my head I'd be like oh it's just a little cut it's no big deal but you're like blood yeah and I'm like oh my god I'm so as a person I love more than anyone and I'm so desensitized to like a little cut yeah I'm like this is nothing yeah this is like a barely an injury I'm so used to seeing people just bust it open their fucking eyelids hanging off their face and right don't stop the fight let them fight you know you're so used to seeing guys that you that probably have a broken hand because they haven't thrown it in two rounds you're so used to seeing guys get fucked I've seen so many guys I've seen like four guys have their legs snapped from checking kicks now I see you You see so many injuries.

[474] Yeah.

[475] It gets so desensitized, seeing people just getting fucking knocked into another dimension with a head kick.

[476] It's so normal.

[477] I rodeoed with a guy.

[478] We went together for years.

[479] Ross Sherrod, he was a Marine.

[480] So he came back from Iraq and started riding bareback horses.

[481] And he got jerked down into like a pipe fence and just like crushed his face.

[482] Oh.

[483] like had to like surgery and like and he just never knocked out just like stood up and he's this little stocky you know marine you know like door to door marine and he just like walks out it's like I'm gonna go down here the hospital just blood everywhere broken the eye socket broken everything and uh you know we helped him and uh but it made me think you know like I feel like I've seen quite a bit of injuries with the rodeo arena but I can't imagine guys like Ross or even Tim right who have done MMA and been to Afghanistan.

[484] Yeah, that's a different level of seeing people get fucked up.

[485] Yeah, watch somebody come out without an arm, not just an arm broken.

[486] Well, you know, Tulsi Gabbard, she has that white streak in her hair.

[487] That came when she was deployed, when she was working on these medical units.

[488] Dang.

[489] Yeah, that's where she got that, just from the horrors of seeing all these people shot up, blown up.

[490] Just the stress of it?

[491] their lives trying to put them back together again yeah dang yeah yeah yeah there's I mean and there's so many people in this world that have experienced nothing right and is floating around yeah not not having any experience with any kind of chaos yeah a little bit of pain here and there is uh I don't know just to show you what the good times mean It gives you some perspective, for sure.

[492] And seeing how vulnerable the human body is, you know, we're vulnerable as shit.

[493] Yep.

[494] Whether we like to think of it or not, think of yourself as a badass, or still made out of basically a fucking meat water balloon.

[495] Right.

[496] You know, it'll make it.

[497] Is this water open?

[498] Yeah, yeah.

[499] Let's grab that.

[500] It'll make a guy come to Jesus on the back of the shoots, that's for sure.

[501] Oh, yeah.

[502] Especially coming back from an injury.

[503] Oh, I would imagine.

[504] You know, because then you're going to get back on the horse.

[505] Right.

[506] Yep.

[507] How did you start rodeoing?

[508] How old were you?

[509] I mean, I was born into it.

[510] My dad was, I was kind of, I was on the rough, roughy end of the arena.

[511] So like if you go to a rodeo arena, there'll be timed event side and a rough stock side.

[512] The timed event is like team roping, calf rope and barrel racing.

[513] And then the rough stock end is the bucking horses, bucking bulls, bullfighters.

[514] pickup men.

[515] There's five things you can do down there.

[516] Bearback Saddlebank bull riding and then the pickup man and the bullfighters.

[517] So there's five jobs you do on that rough stock end.

[518] And my dad did all those.

[519] And so like I grew up like a ruffie, so to speak, and fell in love with all of it.

[520] And, you know, it's kind of two stories.

[521] Bull riding, I'm the greatest of all time and the most humble, you know, I'm sick and tired of YouTube pulling down all my bull rides.

[522] You know, it just gets old.

[523] Do they pull your bull rides down?

[524] I'm just so violent.

[525] I'm just so violent.

[526] But bronch riding has been like the thing that I've chased and like that's what that's one of the last things my dad did.

[527] And bronch riding, it's similar to bull riding except it's a horse, not a bull.

[528] And, uh, but yeah, I got started young and got on my first bull whenever I was like 10 or 12.

[529] Oh my God.

[530] You know?

[531] And, uh, and then it was all down here from there.

[532] I, not I mean, I had a little bit of fear involved, but I just knew that was the path that was going on no matter what.

[533] And my dad didn't push me, you know, but he, that's just, that was in our blood.

[534] That's just what we did.

[535] And I was going to do it, whether he pushed me or not.

[536] And then I just, once it got, once that fight, experiencing that fight of every night, I wasn't much for the party.

[537] And there's a lot of guys that all of it together, the party and that lifestyle, like, I enjoyed having a good time.

[538] But for me, being behind the shoots, getting ready for that fight, that was what kept me coming back.

[539] I would imagine very few people party as hard as rodeo guys.

[540] I would agree with that.

[541] 100%.

[542] In Vegas, there's a lot of times where UFC events or I'll do a comedy event and they'll align with when the rodeo is in town.

[543] The NFR.

[544] And those dudes are just different.

[545] Like, you could see it in their fucking face.

[546] You know, they're just different.

[547] I'm usually driving them.

[548] I'm usually driving them.

[549] Yeah, I've always been, you know, the sober one of the group.

[550] But how'd you avoid the partying?

[551] My dad did it.

[552] And so, like, just when I was a kid, like, I just kind of, I'm not really ever succumbed to peer pressure.

[553] Like, I just kind of was going to be on this path.

[554] And he was, like, John Wayne, mixed with Woodrow Call, mixed with Billy Graham.

[555] Like, he was like a Christian man, hard cowboy kind of still a hard ass and it was so I kind of he didn't like tell me like you can never drink but I just didn't and then before I knew it I looked it back and I just hadn't drank and I was having a pretty good time I'm like the old Vaughn like when I get something I get it and I knew that if I got that it would get me yeah I just know that yeah that's why I've avoided cocaine I don't I don't do cocaine I do like the way it's I've never even smelled it.

[556] I'm just kidding.

[557] I haven't done that either.

[558] I had a friend of mine when I was in high school and his cousin started selling it.

[559] And his cousin, like, it's almost like a dude who got bit by a vampire.

[560] Like he became a different person.

[561] Like he became, he lost a lot of weight, got really skinny, wasn't eating.

[562] And him and his girl would just, they had an apartment that was like in the attic of this house.

[563] And they would just sit in their apartment and like do coke and watch movies and sell coke.

[564] his life kind of just like slipped away into this very bizarre addiction thing and this was like i guess i was like 16 or 17 when that was happening to him and i remember thinking like fuck that drug whatever that is that drug fucking grabs you i don't want to have nothing to do with that it it seems like one of those forks in the road and like when you do try it or do it a little bit like it's going to take you down this other like your life takes a turn uh -huh like that seems like a good illustration of it's just like what would he have been like had he never done that you know right like it just that and maybe that's kind of the way i viewed alcohol but mm -hmm well it certainly is the case for some people i mean if i had an alcoholic in my family maybe i would avoid it alcohol too that was kind of me too i didn't have that yeah if you have that too and you see how it could wreck someone's life it's hard man it's having control over your urges and especially if you have a physical addiction you know like you get physically addicted to alcohol that is one of the ones that if you kick it too quick you'll die yeah alcohol and benzos zanics when people just try to kick that cold turkey there's a possibility you could die yeah scary shit yeah i thought it was my sternum i went in i had some big life stuff happening and i was like went in my doctor i thought like you know something with my because my old man died of a heart attack actually why he was at a rodeo and uh like in the arena but anyways I had like some some chest pain and he went in and doctor was like well do you have anything big going on I was like yeah and then he started talking about Xanax and all this and I was like I guess half ass like panic attacks or whatever I don't know and I was like oh that's what okay forget we had this conversation I just walked out like I didn't want no part of like I just that kind of stuff would those kind of drug or pills or whatever you want to call them would just grab me and not let go I think well that's Jordan Peter I mean, he, it took him like a full year to recover.

[565] So it took him a long time to kick it and then a full year to get back to normal again.

[566] Yeah.

[567] That's, that Zanax stuff is scary.

[568] And they're just willing to give it to you.

[569] They're like, hey, Dale, what are you?

[570] Freaking out a little bit?

[571] Here, take this.

[572] This is our anti -freak out pill.

[573] Yeah.

[574] It'll only cost you.

[575] Apparently, it's amazing.

[576] I've never done it, but apparently people who've done it, they go, oh, like all of a sudden life is a breeze.

[577] Like, we.

[578] And I'm sure when there's, like it was.

[579] for me in that moment like there's this professional telling you you should take it makes it like oh man this guy said i should this isn't like fucking stethoscope on yeah he's legit he's got a pocket protector yeah that's like dale brisbee i got this buckle on you might as well listen to me about bull riding must listen yeah it's and they want you to try it out and and unfortunately they're incentivized to do that which is even scarier yeah and also a lot of people want it right so if you're a doctor and you got someone who's got a lot of anxiety and you say would you like Xanax like yes I would and then boom they got and they're like thank you doctor I feel so much better well he did his job I guess I don't know yes just not for me yeah me neither so you didn't have a bro like the sternum wasn't like rebroken or anything it was just a panic thing yeah it was just I was just short of breath you know and that's it was kind of the start of me like starting to look into like you know cholesterol and whatnot and And, like, really, and it ultimately led to, like, I'm just going to change my diet around.

[580] But that had nothing to do with the panic attacks, but that was kind of, it snowballed into, like, me changing my diet and doing all kinds of different things.

[581] Just realizing you've got to get control yourself.

[582] Yeah, for sure.

[583] But there's a lot of people that argue that I went the opposite direction now, just eating all meat.

[584] Yeah, those people, I think, they should try it.

[585] Yeah.

[586] It's, I mean, it's the best I've ever felt.

[587] right i feel my best when i don't fuck around with bread and carbs i don't think salads are a problem but i do think there's a real concern about the amount of glyphosate that gets into people's system from from monocrop monocrop agriculture that's real i don't know how much that's doing to you and i know that there's been many times in the past where people have dismissed the health concerns about a certain substance and then later on you find out you know that that fucking kills people causes cancer and it's a real problem and it's contributing to all these autoimmune issues and this and that and that and this and like oh now we know but it took 10 years before people figured it out right there's a lot of like very legitimate people that are sounding the alarm about the dangers of glyphosate and the fact that when they do they did this blood test like this study on people and they found it like 90 something percent of the people had glyphosate in their blood even if it's a small amount like there's a lot of apologists to want to say it's oh it's a small It's very safe, like a small amount of something that kills you and causes cancer.

[588] It doesn't, I don't like that.

[589] It doesn't sound good in any way, shape, or form.

[590] I don't think that should be dismissed, especially when we don't have long -term studies.

[591] And how long are they been using this shit?

[592] A couple of decades?

[593] Who fucking knows what it's doing to us?

[594] I don't know.

[595] What I do know about is, like, the beef, you know?

[596] And, like, well, I say, I know more about that than I do vegetables in farming.

[597] and like I'm a fan of you know I just watched this you know calf grow and I fed him out and then I took him and got him processed and now I'm eating him you know and like there's just something to that where I just I don't know that seems like natural to me yeah and that seems like the way God designed it and I like grain finished but some people like grass fed I think whatever and uh but that just i don't know i just don't feel like that's wrong i don't think it's wrong either and i think there's a reality of life and death that a lot of people avoid and they think that by not eating meat you're you're somehow or another making life better for them if you wanted them to live naturally they would get killed by wolves and it'd be horrible yeah the way they get killed they get their fucking hamstrings torn off and they get taken down and they immediately tear their guts out and they swarm them and it's a horrific death Horific, long, painful death.

[598] And if it's not that, they're freezing to death.

[599] If it's not that, it's mountain lines.

[600] It's not that.

[601] It's bears.

[602] If it's not that, it's starving.

[603] And that's the reality of being an animal in the wild.

[604] And if you think that somehow I know they're like pasture -raised animals that are just chilling, having a good time eating grass, not a concern in the world, and then one day they get fed into a shoot and they get a bolt in their brain.

[605] It takes a second.

[606] They're instantly dead.

[607] That's a better death, a better life, all the above.

[608] 100 % I went to the sale barn the other day and I took an old bull old buck and bull there he was probably like 10 like when if you're eating beef odds are that sucker didn't live past a little over a year like at the most and so like this joker had an extra nine years on his life as a buck and it's pretty laid back you know he does his deal once twice a week and I and when I sold him I bought another bull just I thought he looked cool and now he's at my house and he's a buck and bull a practice bull but those other order buyers that were in the cellborn if they'd have bought that bull like he was going to go i guess this is just like an extension of what you're saying like even with rodeo people that argue with it like man if anything i'm giving them a better life you know but regardless whether that bull would have come to be a bucking bull at my house or gone to you know be burger i don't know is that what they would normally do to them when they're done with them they turn them into burger Yeah, so whenever you get like an older cow, an older bull, the steaks from them are just not as good.

[609] Like you want a young, either, like I said, grain fed for me to like this perfect point.

[610] You got people in the feedlot that will watch them, be like, that one's ready.

[611] And that's what, like if you go to these steakhouses and get a prime ribbi, like that was a calf that was, I mean, that was not an old steer.

[612] You know, he probably weighed 11, 1 ,200 pounds.

[613] and once he got to that weight, it was his time.

[614] And it steers a castrated bull, right?

[615] Correct.

[616] So how old are they when they castrate them?

[617] We'll usually do it pretty young, like maybe three months old.

[618] And the whole idea with that is if they grow up like that, then their meat is more tender, then they get bigger.

[619] Their hormones just go a completely different direction.

[620] You know, and you can tell, like in a pasture, my dad could tell just even a six -month -old, just he'll come down the shoot.

[621] He'll look at his head.

[622] And he'd be like, we've got a heifer, got a bull.

[623] But like when they're older, like a year or two, you can tell out in the pasture.

[624] Like that's not a steer, that's a bull.

[625] Like the way they grow is much different.

[626] Like a bull is going to be more lean.

[627] A steer's going to have more fat to them.

[628] And heifers will be that way too.

[629] They don't, they're not as good to eat as like a steer.

[630] Like if you're getting a prime steak somewhere, it's probably a steer.

[631] How come?

[632] Again, like those hormones, like they're just.

[633] So, like, a steer's going to be more muscular than a heifer.

[634] Like, he just doesn't have the focus of, like, reproduction that she does.

[635] Right.

[636] You know?

[637] And now he doesn't have any focus of reproduction now that you castrated him.

[638] And so, like, he's all about his only deal is he's going to grow and sleep.

[639] He's going to eat and sleep.

[640] And so you grow them and eat them to this perfect point in the feedlot.

[641] They'll start on a cowcalf.

[642] There's three phases.

[643] When they're born, it's called cowcalfe.

[644] And that's the more sexy part of cowboying and ranching is like you see them out in the pasture.

[645] And then that middle phase is the stalker phase.

[646] And that's where like a yearling, you'll wean them at like 600 pounds and almost a year.

[647] Then you'll send them to wheat pasture.

[648] And they'll be there for, you know, they'll gain however much weight maybe get to like 900.

[649] And then they'll go to the feedlot till maybe 1 ,200 pounds.

[650] So that's the third phase is the feedlot.

[651] and they'll get finished out, and then they'll get slaughtered it.

[652] Have you ever eaten an old bull?

[653] Yeah.

[654] Yeah, so I had an old bull get crippled, and I was like, well, let's just try it.

[655] Like, I got some ribbyes.

[656] Now that I'm on carnivore, like, I need the meat, you know?

[657] Right.

[658] And I had this old bull get crippled.

[659] And sometimes when they get real bad crippled, you don't want to take them to sell barn, so we'll just process them.

[660] And it is so much tougher.

[661] It's so much tougher.

[662] Like they wouldn't even sell it at the grocery store.

[663] Like a 10 -year -old bull, if you get that ribeye, it's just not good did you try different ways of cooking it do you try like because i would think that would be there's probably some ways you could doctor it up and when i say it's not good i'm talking like compared to a prime one steak right but is it more like wild game like what is it yeah it's just it's just it's going to be harder to chew through you know like an old bull it's just it's just going to be harder to even the tenderloins even the tenderloins now those are going to be better than like your sirloins but they're still not going to be they're still not going to be they be a noticeable difference between like that and a little over a year old steer that got processed it because I've always felt that steaks are kind of unnaturally tender anyway it's kind of weird when you see the difference between like eating an elk steak and eating like a beef steak it's like you're used to like if you eat an elk steak you used to chewing through it right that's what meat is supposed to be like like dense fibers and you chew it Do you like the round steaks of an elk, then that would be similar to like a ribeye maybe of an old bull, bovine bull?

[664] Because I know there's a place in Vegas that we eat out all the time.

[665] It's called Bazaar Meats.

[666] And one of the things that they have on the menu is old cows.

[667] Like he likes the different flavor that you get from an older cow.

[668] And so it's like they have that as an option.

[669] I've tried it.

[670] It was really good.

[671] I was about to say, I'm sure those guys, as good as they are, like, I just got like this griddle, I throw it on and, you know what I mean?

[672] And so I'll sear it.

[673] Maybe sometimes if it's real thick, I'll throw it in the oven, but they probably got all kinds of tips and tricks that they could make a nine -year -old bowl taste good.

[674] Well, they do it slowly over hardwood.

[675] So what they do is they have a fire in one of those Argentine grills, you know, that cranks and lowers and raises it, the grillworks grill.

[676] And so they'll have it up on high and it's getting just barely touch.

[677] by the flames and a lot of smoke and they'll slowly bring it up to temperature then and then they drop it down and sear it at the end and it's it sounds amazing it's pretty amazing when I'm at my house I like to cook them all the same way that way I can kind of judge them the same way you know what I mean like this is my process this is how I cooked it if it takes you know what I mean then I'll know but if I got to do all that extra stuff and it's three meals a day so like sometimes I'm just trying to have lunch you know and I just need to Yeah, I need to do it quick.

[678] Eat and go.

[679] Yeah, I get it.

[680] I get it.

[681] Yeah, it's, um, so when you started and you were 10 years old, what was the, when was the first time you got fucked up?

[682] I went to, I was at Charlie Thompson's.

[683] He's in Lubbock, and my dad was like, my dad used to work for Charlie.

[684] He started, he's this old stock contractor, and he's like, Charlie, I need something for him that, I don't know, just jumping.

[685] and he put me on this big bastard and I was maybe I was I was I don't think I was 13 I was maybe 12 and for me he was big but so like before that like 8 910 like I'm riding steers and stuff like that so then like but my first bull was it was right around 12 and this joker came out big spotted bull and they come up in the front end and everything in bull riding is counterintuitive so like when they come up you've got to go up with them and then but your your intuition is telling you to get back away from their head right and uh well I mean this big scary bull so like first thing I did is get back well then when he drops if you're back he's going to like whip you down oh and it's called getting jerked down and it's the only time that I got jerked down because every time after that I jerked the bull up is what happened I'm just kidding but he jerked me down smash my face and it didn't look like Ross's from that bearback ride but for a 12 year old it was pretty bad.

[686] I wasn't wearing a helmet.

[687] So you went face to head?

[688] Face to the top of his head.

[689] Oh, God.

[690] Which would...

[691] It's like a brick.

[692] I would have been what's called hat down.

[693] And now these days, like, everybody wears helmets.

[694] You know, like, J .B., Mooney, good friend of mine.

[695] And me and him are two of the arguable goats, you know.

[696] And anyhow, J .B., he's one of the last ones.

[697] Like, he's Marlboro Man, and he would go hat.

[698] down and but like usually in a lineup you'd see one or two guys doing that and everybody else is wearing a helmet these days yeah it seems like a helmet would be a good move yeah especially like if i make all my interns like new guys if you're an established bull rider and you show up at my house to get on a few that's one thing but if you're new you're wearing a helmet yeah every time i mean it just seems like you could save a lot of people no for sure yeah for sure yeah but is there a thing still like a bravado about being a no helmet rider there's just something to it damn it's just it's got to be like a motorcycle rider too right i don't know there's just something cowboy about it like i hate to say that because like kids out there that might be listening to this like i think you need to wear a helmet but like when j b mooney is wearing like there's just something to that like ride or die like this is this is it's just damn i don't know that's what i'm saying there's something to it.

[699] Yeah.

[700] I don't suggest it.

[701] But like when he's got that Marl and I don't even smoke, and I don't think you should smoke, but when J .B. is smoking a cigarette and he puts that he'll be in AT &T Stadium.

[702] There he is.

[703] He puts that cigarette down.

[704] And he's cowboy.

[705] That's a cowboy.

[706] Show me a video of him running.

[707] Okay.

[708] There's a, yeah, there's, I mean, Bushwacker is obvious is one of the greatest yeah that's in Houston there's a bow sheath fighting does the audience appreciate it more when someone's just wearing that cowboy hat yes kai hamilton on the shoes he goes hat down all the time too that is so crazy watching that thing kick and watching him stay on it that is fucking nuts yeah he's uh there's a reason people there's probably some goat emojis on that yeah like i saw a couple of them yeah people G -O -A -T.

[709] Yeah.

[710] I mean, that's it.

[711] He's just...

[712] So in the PBR, you can have...

[713] There's a point during the bull ride when you can pick your bull.

[714] It's called the draft.

[715] And, like, they'll come certain times.

[716] There he is.

[717] Damn, I want to run something in the shoot right now.

[718] This gets your blood going?

[719] Oh, my gosh.

[720] Yeah, this is in Austin.

[721] I mean, obviously.

[722] Look at him go.

[723] that is crazy there's weston he was there with me first how many times do these guys get blown out knees ankles he he's had too many surgeries to count died on operating tables like both shoulders done he just broke his neck the other day and that might have been the end of it for him he did announce that that he was done but it took and one of my buddies randy was like man i'm sorry it had to be like this, you had to go out like this, you know, breaking it.

[724] And he said, man, this is what he was going to take.

[725] What, and you say break his neck?

[726] Like, what's the extent of the injury?

[727] Like, get to the hospital and they say, okay, lay right here and don't move until the surgeon gets here, because you could be paralyzed if you make a move.

[728] Oh, God.

[729] If you make the wrong move.

[730] I've had two buddies this summer go down like that.

[731] Another one is a bronch rider, Jacob's Crawley.

[732] They're like, do not move.

[733] until a surgeon flies in and does this surgery.

[734] And that was his back, but it was J .B.'s neck.

[735] Scary.

[736] That's scary shit.

[737] And that's like, that's the worst of the worst kind of situation, you know what I mean?

[738] But I'm not suggesting people go try this.

[739] Like, get on the other end of the arena.

[740] You know, do team roping.

[741] Do some calf roping.

[742] Like, I don't know.

[743] Like, I just can't.

[744] I just have to be down here.

[745] It got in my blood and I can't get it out.

[746] and I'm going in for a surgery next week for what my shoulder but I've had two back surgeries I've had like six surgeries like in the last five or six years like it just I got to a point I went several years with no injuries and then all of a sudden it kind of like in your youth you just like you're just hitting the fence you're hitting the ground you're getting stepped on and then all of a sudden like Once they start, I don't know.

[747] But I'm going to get my shoulder redone.

[748] Is the shoulders from falling?

[749] It's dislocated five times.

[750] Oh.

[751] Yeah, three of them were in the last few months.

[752] Jesus.

[753] That was all from bucking horses.

[754] And is it, are you getting the shoulder dislocated from hanging on?

[755] Or are you getting a shoulder dislocated from getting bucked off?

[756] No, like the way I landed, like the first time it came out, like, it was right before my back surgery because I didn't realize I was hurt.

[757] and I kept bucking off weird on bucking horses and when I hit the ground my elbow drove and it came out the front and so like there's you kind of have a little bit of a socket that your shoulders in it's not like your hip but right and so the bone broke off the front and so now it's like I was trying to turn a horse the other day like I just reached down he was running off with me and I reached down to turn him and my shoulder came out and so we just kept running off like it it'll just get easier and easier at this point, so that's when I've got to have surgery.

[758] What's the extent of the injury?

[759] What's going on in there?

[760] Ligament tears.

[761] That bone that holds it in.

[762] Oh, so it's broken off?

[763] Yes, sir.

[764] Oh, so it has to be screwed back in place?

[765] He'll take, there's another bone above that they can use, and he'll graph it and he'll screw it down to essentially remake that socket.

[766] Oh, God, damn, dude.

[767] But it's bad, but also, like, I'm FaceTime and J .B. Why he's in a neck brace, you know?

[768] It's like, I'm not going to complain.

[769] Yeah.

[770] yeah you know I went to go visit Jacobs and he's and he's like so this is the video of breaking his neck yeah yeah I haven't seen it's not from super close up but you can definitely see what happens here it's not good so here he is oh Jesus Christ oh he landed neck first and then his like he ain't going to get pulled out of there by a stretcher oh like he's walking out if his legs work he's walking out but he's hurting right there oh God.

[771] They told him he shouldn't have been able to walk out.

[772] But he didn't get jerked down there.

[773] It was just the way he landed on the back of his neck.

[774] Like his vertebrae got like twisted in there.

[775] It like broke it and twisted it somehow.

[776] So did they have to fuse his neck?

[777] Yes.

[778] Oh, God.

[779] Like maybe a couple of vertebrates.

[780] Fused a couple of them.

[781] It's serious.

[782] Like I said, try calf roping.

[783] But I guess once you do that, the thrill of it is probably very difficult to recreate in anything else in life.

[784] Yes, sir.

[785] When you were talking about that a while ago with fighters, like that's what I was envisioning, like, what level of fight is there outside of getting on a bull, you know?

[786] Same thing for maybe like Tim Kennedy when he got back from Afghanistan.

[787] Why do you guys call it bull fighting?

[788] This is interesting.

[789] Like, what is the difference in bull riding and bull fighting?

[790] I'm sorry, I was talking while that video was playing.

[791] There were, there's guys around the bull ride.

[792] Mm -hmm.

[793] that are bull fighters and their role as to when he gets bucked off they go in and distract that bull right so i think that was Nate justice was fighting bulls there at that rodeo and he snuck in got that bull's attention so jb can get out and so you're basically goading the bull to attack you correct but you got on cleats and pads and you're you know yeah that's Nate and uh oh look how he fell and i think that's that's either Nathan harp or Cody Webster around to the right like he's already getting that bull's attention so like and we're talking about like the best of the best bullfighters so that jb's got no chance at getting hooked a second time right god damn the way he landed that is crazy yeah there's certain ways you get thrown into the into the air that's like scary that i've the scariest moments are like when you're flying through the air and you can't You can't control how you land.

[794] Right.

[795] Another scary moment is when you get hung up.

[796] There's a bad hang up on my Instagram.

[797] It was like two or three videos ago.

[798] Like when you get hung up by your hand, it's bad.

[799] But when you get hung up by your foot, and this kid almost dies, like in my arena at my house.

[800] But like, because then you can't do anything.

[801] When you're hung up by your foot, by your hand, you're standing up so your head's not under the bull.

[802] Uh -huh.

[803] yeah that's Tyler Kipps on a what we call prison Mike good bull ride now he's about to get off and see his foot see his foot is hung so at first like that's how you work a normal hang up when they're hung up by their hand that's my brother right there Leroy I don't know that's not really protocol and then my brother comes in with a knife and look at him dragging at that point he's out of harm's way because his head is so far away from that right but you can see his foot oh jesus christ oh man so right there like where he could like if he went under that bull that's where we're talking about if you got stepped on like he could he could he could just died yeah and i'd been in that situation so when i saw him in it like he was like okay he's either going to die here or we got to get him out like one of the two we either get him out or he dies right and Anyway, Tim commented on it, but it's a, and that kind of stuff, it's, can happen really with any, there's accidents that can happen with horses or bulls outside of roughstock.

[804] Like you could just have a horse buck with you out in the pasture and little things like that.

[805] They're more rare, but when you go to rough stock, like riding bucking bulls and bucking horses, you kind of ask for that.

[806] But it's such a strange subculture that most people aren't aware of.

[807] It's a niche.

[808] Yeah.

[809] But it's a very passionate niche.

[810] Yes, sir.

[811] And the people that are involved in it, man, it is everything to them.

[812] I think a lot of people, their eyes got open to it a little bit from Yellowstone from that series.

[813] Yeah, Taylor Sheridan's.

[814] He's amazing.

[815] He's the man. He's the man. Yeah.

[816] He's a cool dude.

[817] He is.

[818] You know, he owns that four -sixes ranch and Texark.

[819] Texas.

[820] It's 270 ,000 acres.

[821] I'm supposed to be there right now.

[822] Oh, really?

[823] You're going there after this?

[824] No. So there's, I go there in the spring and fall sometimes.

[825] There's like full -time guys that work there.

[826] And then when they wean in the fall or when they brand in the spring, they'll hire day workers.

[827] And they'll just come in for like a week at a time, two weeks.

[828] And I would be classified as a day worker.

[829] And what do you do there?

[830] so like right now they're weaning so that that the the cow calf phase that I explained earlier where that calf is born and stays on the cow well when he gets like 600 pounds they'll wean them and so you got to gather the whole pasture we'll put them in the pins and we'll strip those calves off their mamas and send them to the stalker phase so that's what they're doing it takes like two weeks so on top of doing all your YouTube stuff and your podcast stuff you're still out there they're doing like real ranch shit.

[831] Yes, sir.

[832] Do you love that?

[833] It's, yeah.

[834] I mean, this was an easy thing to say like, hey, Dusty manages their Dixon Creek branch.

[835] And he's one of my best friends.

[836] But I was like, Dusty, I got to go up here.

[837] And he was like, yeah, you got to go up there.

[838] But, but yeah, like if I wasn't here, I'd be there.

[839] And I get to film a little, you know, like Taylor, he doesn't mind me, like little snapshots and little videos here and there.

[840] Because he also knows that I'm going to promote the four -sixes.

[841] You know, I'm not going to disparage anybody.

[842] And so, but yeah, like, that's, I've seen opportunities and my lawyers like, dude, you got to get out of that small town and come to College Station or Austin or Dallas, Fort Worth, to grow your business.

[843] And I just can't.

[844] I'll be smaller and stay where I'm at.

[845] Like, it's just, like, I'm not going to trade this lifestyle for more money.

[846] You just love it that.

[847] much.

[848] What is it about it that just gets in your blood like that?

[849] I mean, it's, I mean, like, you felt being out, you know, elk hunting.

[850] You know, cowboys get that every day.

[851] And then when you get to do a job on the back of a horse and you, like, you've got to, there's so many things involved.

[852] Like, you've got to know that horse.

[853] You got to know the cows.

[854] You got to know your guys next to you.

[855] And when you get done with the full day's work, like there's, there's just something super romantic about.

[856] being able to accomplish that task I don't think anybody ever recreated it to a point where people understood it before Taylor did there's something about the way the Dutton family describes it on that show and it's like that mean how many people moved to Montana because they saw that fucking show and it's real yeah people feel that way yeah about ranching they feel that way about rodeo yeah and it's just and there's so much passion behind it and here's the thing like the cowboy way of life Chris Ladoo had a song like you just can't see him from the road like it's not dying you just can't see us from the road well I have a job now because I got good at Snapchat and you know and I'm showing the world like what's going on out here and when we did the Netflix show they were like what should we call it and I was like well I get 50, 60, 100 messages a day from people wanting to be in my intern program to just learn that they're sitting on a couch in Maryland and they're like, I want to learn to be a cowboy.

[857] And so that's why we called the show how to be a cowboy was because the world is interested.

[858] Like I foresee rodeo in the ranching industry growing.

[859] Like I'm super optimistic about it.

[860] Like if legislation and all that bullshit, you know, can fade away where people think cows are the demise of, you know, society like then if that can like not get in our way then the future of agriculture and rodeo in is super bright because America is interested the world is interested yeah they are and they're I think people are interested in something that they weren't totally aware of but it looks like it has this very passionate following you know and that's the thing about people who ranch and and cowboys it's like they fucking love it they really love it and there's a lot of people out there that want to know like why do they love it why does someone we everyone wants to have something that they love the way a lot of people love ranching and they're like why what is it what is it about cowboying these guys seem so satisfied and fulfilled like there's something very appealing about that to the average person that doesn't really like what they do and there's something rugged and pure about it that just seems to appeal to people Well, it's definitely more than just a job, you know, like if you had a, it's a job, and then, like I said, it's got that lifestyle passion factor to it where, like, if you're working on an assembly line, you know, in a warehouse, when that bell rings at the end of the day and you clock out, like, sometimes, like, that's it.

[861] And if it's five o 'clock, you're out of there before 501.

[862] Like, I was in, I was in a factory the other day.

[863] And it's like, it was midday.

[864] And I was like, what are these people doing this?

[865] their cars and they were like well that's it's break time like they leave the building by the time they get to their car they only got like nine minutes but they hated their job so much they didn't even want to be in the building so they went out to their car for their break and just in the ranching and rodeo community you have people making arguably the same amount of money on the on on average you know like it's not a high paying you know lifestyle but they're not leaving right at five like they're passionate about it they're roping the dummy or working with a horse or you know having forbid solving problems cows out on the highway kind of stuff you know but it's it's something that grabs a hold of you cowboying will grab a hold of you the same way that like rodeo and grabs a hold of you and I I'm honored that like I have this program where three or four people a year get to come into it and they get to learn that and I've got a few guys like my top my interns he's been with me the longest.

[866] His name's Donnie.

[867] And Donnie was working at a bar for his dad in Missouri.

[868] No horses, nothing around him.

[869] And he came in and he learned to ride Bronx.

[870] And after four years, like, now he makes money riding Bronx.

[871] Now, I don't want him to get hurt because I would feel a little responsible, but like he's hooked on this lifestyle now.

[872] And I don't know, I wish and I pray that everybody had some sort of opportunity in their life to grab a hold of something the way that rodeo and cowboying grabs a hold of me. Well, I think that's what's appealing about it to people, is that the people that are involved in it love it so much.

[873] And for someone who has no experience in it, it doesn't make sense.

[874] Like, what is it about it?

[875] So that's one of the reasons why people get so addicted to watching stuff like Yellowstone, like, other than the great writing and the drama and all that bullshit.

[876] But there's something very appealing about that you know I don't want to say simple life it's not simple it's just not modern civilization it's not the bullshit that you have to deal with in cities and traffic and bosses and fucking cubicles and it's a different complicated but it's a complicated that seems more pure and that has people that feel deeply satisfied about doing that job it's I think yeah you hit the nail on the head like it's a unique thing like most of the time people driving down the highway they just expect animals to be out there and then all of a sudden you look over and somebody's on top of one of them gathering the other animals and it's just like what is going on like if you knew nothing about it if maybe an alien showed up you know they're just like and they're just like what are they doing you know and so like to the uneducated eye it's just so intriguing and unique and then you get into it and you realize that like there's like a there's a code and there's a you know there's passion and there's it's a lifestyle for people and at the end of the day if we just break even well it was a free vacation you know and that's how people feel about money and rodeoing the only reason rodeo cowboys care about money is because that's how they keep score and that's how it's like how much money did you win okay now you get to go to the nfr if they did like a point system we would be so broke because then we'd care about money even less because that's not why we're doing it but thankfully anyway And that's how cowboys that are like ranch cowboys are the same way.

[877] Like, I saw a guy the other day he's a day work cowboy.

[878] When you're a day worker, you bring your own horse, you bring your own trailer, truck, everything.

[879] You have your own insurance.

[880] Like you're 1099.

[881] You're not W2.

[882] And so, yeah, you might make $150 in a day, but if you blow out a tire, a new trailer tire is $250.

[883] So, like, you got to work two days for a tire.

[884] Well, I saw one the other day, and we were.

[885] and he bought this new bit, and I know his financial situation, but as soon as he got an extra $1 ,000, he bought this badass bit that he had wanted.

[886] Well, that's all he, that's his thing.

[887] That's all he cares about, you know?

[888] And like, he's not doing that for money anyway.

[889] So part of that might also just be a little irresponsible with money.

[890] Like, you can be, you can be wise with what you're given, but at the end of the day also, like, for that particular person, like, why?

[891] This is all he wants to do.

[892] Some people money is just fund coupons.

[893] Once you get past food, food and shelter, it's fun coupons.

[894] Yes.

[895] They're not thinking 1099s, 401Ks, 40 -year plans.

[896] They're just thinking, let's go.

[897] That's rodeo cowboys.

[898] Yeah.

[899] Well, there's something appealing about that to people.

[900] You know, the people really enjoy watching other people that love what they do.

[901] Because I think that's what we all want.

[902] We all want something that we do that we love.

[903] what we do we look forward to it when someone see something that's so counterintuitive it seems like such hard work so difficult and time consuming and it just requires everything of you and it's not like a thing you do for a couple hours and then take a break like no you're doing it all day long every fucking day yeah yeah i just started uh jiu jitsu and like 10 rolls in 10 sessions how's your shoulder holding up to that it's it's pretty good the guy you made you out there, Ty, like, he's my partner, we take it pretty easy.

[904] Like, I don't know even what half -garde, like, this morning I rolled with a big guy, and he was like, all right, get in half -guard, and I was like, okay.

[905] You don't know what half -guards?

[906] Yeah, I mean, once he put me there, I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm learning.

[907] But, like, learning, starting out jujitsu is very similar to be, like, if you wanted to learn to rope something.

[908] Like, you just, your very first time against, like, for instance, this guy was like, jujitsu, Dan or something this big 250 in like a minute he submitted me 15 times and he was just rolling through me like folded me like a cheap chair and that's what it would be like if we went to the ranch and had like some sort of like roping riding type competition right be the opposite because he's got these years of just everyday grinding at his craft where mine is and most of these guys that are raised in the lifestyle is rodeoing and cowboying.

[909] The jihitsu lifestyle is very similar because people get really banged up and they can't stop.

[910] They can't stop training.

[911] I had a bad neck injury that just kept getting worse because I wouldn't stop training.

[912] I was like, I work around it.

[913] I never worked around it.

[914] And then my hands were going numb and I was like, motherfucker.

[915] Yeah.

[916] You know, and then I finally had to get it worked on.

[917] But it's just, it's a thing where people get so addicted.

[918] They get so addicted that time off is just so, fuck.

[919] You feel worthless.

[920] You feel worthless.

[921] Also, it's just like there's something about the struggle of jujitsu that makes regular struggle easier.

[922] It makes regular life easier.

[923] It's like a medicine.

[924] It's like this literal life or death struggle that you're having on the mats, which is about as safe as a life or death struggle can be.

[925] Because you're with training partners.

[926] And if someone does get your back and they do sink in that choke, you can just tap.

[927] And then you're back to square one.

[928] And then you start again.

[929] But that guy just killed you.

[930] That's what just happened.

[931] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[932] He killed you.

[933] He killed you.

[934] Yeah, he killed me 15 times.

[935] Yeah.

[936] I mean, that's really what's going on.

[937] And so if you get accustomed to that life for death struggle on a daily basis where that is your high water mark for difficulty, it makes everyday life way easier.

[938] Now, when that high water mark is removed completely from your life, normal bullshit, bill stuff like nonsense, your neighbor's complaining, your fucking dog did something.

[939] That becomes more tense and more difficult.

[940] handle for you know obvious reasons you don't have the adversity that you need to in order to have you know like uh what you have built up in your life as like a healthy existence you know i'll say that i have my interest in in jiu jitsu has been to i don't know i just get nervous about a lot of people show up to like a booth that where i'll be like doing autographs or whatever and like I just get nervous like it would I told cowboy all I have is that I'm not in terrible shape and I probably won't quit but other than that anybody who's like done any training could just walk through me so you worried about like someone coming up to you that maybe just thinks like your videos are serious and when you're talking all that shit that you're a hundred yes you're there you just arrived there yeah and then they just grab my hair and then just I'm done right and that makes me nervous and so I guess like every little session there's this black belt that comes over and teaches us and he's so smart and I'll just at the end of each little move and I'm like okay but if they're trying to kill me right here and he'll teach me like some street tactics you know because like that's essentially what I'm and I don't think I mean just like you like I'm sure you know most people that come up to you are just most are nice they're so nice most the vast majority of people are real nice it's one One potential instance out of maybe 10 years.

[941] One potential crazy person.

[942] Yeah.

[943] And I just, I would like to be kind of ready for that.

[944] Yeah.

[945] Whereas with rodeo, my drive to do that was a little different.

[946] Yeah.

[947] Have you done any striking?

[948] I did one session at Cowboys Camp with Coach Ray, his coach that had been around for a while and like one 30, 40 minute.

[949] And I could see that being really fun.

[950] Yeah.

[951] My dad was a boxer.

[952] So like, we had a punching bag in the barn growing up.

[953] But nothing, like I said, I wouldn't, anybody with any training could walk through me. That's a good thing also, though, for alleviating stress.

[954] Nothing like hitting a bag.

[955] Hitting a bag is like one of the best stress relievers ever.

[956] Yeah.

[957] You just wamp on that thing, and after three rounds of that, you're like, oh, I feel pretty fucking good.

[958] Yeah.

[959] You just feel relaxed and just squeezes all the caveman out of you.

[960] Right.

[961] Just really release it.

[962] Yeah.

[963] I'm supposed to, we were supposed to at this last kid's can.

[964] but I'm supposed to fight cowboy.

[965] Oh, no. In what way?

[966] Just, I don't know, we were going to do something, like, just kind of get in the ring and...

[967] He'll be nice to you.

[968] Yeah, that's what I think.

[969] Everybody says he's going to kill you.

[970] I'm like, he's a professional.

[971] They'll touch you up a little bit, but he's not going to kill you.

[972] He'll pop you a little bit.

[973] He'll just touch you up.

[974] He won't hurt you.

[975] Yeah.

[976] Cowboys not going to hurt you.

[977] When we were first joking about it on social media, like a mutual friend of ours was like, hey, you're not.

[978] You're not, like, serious.

[979] You don't think.

[980] I was like, what are you talking about?

[981] But apparently, random people just think they can beat him up.

[982] Oh, yeah, I'm sure.

[983] Yeah.

[984] Chuck Liddell used to have that problem, which is crazy.

[985] Some people are just out of their fucking minds.

[986] They see someone who just beats a shit out of people on TV.

[987] They're like, I want to fucking try that, dude.

[988] Why do they think that, like, something in the cage doesn't transfer over to real life?

[989] They think some people are just really delusional.

[990] and they think somehow because of whatever delusional thinking and their ego and maybe they're schizophrenic I don't know what it is they just think that they could beat up Francis and Gano like I guarantee you somebody somewhere at some point in time has tested Tyson Fury has gotten in his face it's just like it's crazy there's people out there that are just out of their fucking minds and they're just not well you know I was that power slap like a week ago Jesus.

[991] And I was sat there and visiting with Strickland for like 45 minutes.

[992] And he was like, yeah, that guy over there, somebody.

[993] He's like, I think he wants to fight an MMA guy.

[994] And we just got to talking about it.

[995] And I just like, I don't know that like, I feel like Strickland would be really good in the street.

[996] Oh, my God.

[997] Yeah, he's not scared of shit.

[998] You know?

[999] He'd be awesome in the street.

[1000] Cowboy, too.

[1001] Oh, yeah.

[1002] apparently been in like hundreds of street fights.

[1003] Yeah, there was a famous incident where some dude on a boat dock just wouldn't leave him alone and was fuck with him.

[1004] The cowboys was like, God damn it.

[1005] And the guy did something, the cowboy just head kicked him, knocked him unconscious for everything.

[1006] Is that the one where Dana got, had to get involved?

[1007] Yeah.

[1008] And, yeah, he said Dana still gives him a hard time about it every now and then.

[1009] Well, you know, that guy fucked up and he found out.

[1010] Yeah, exactly.

[1011] He fucked around and found out that you're picking on the wrong dude.

[1012] So I heard that, like, he'll, when he was in the UFC, I guess maybe he learned his lesson there.

[1013] And, like, he would literally people be trying to fight him in the bar.

[1014] He's like, bro, I will pay you $500 to just leave me alone.

[1015] And then he retired.

[1016] And I was like, hey, you're still paying people not to fight you?

[1017] And he was like, nope, bring it on.

[1018] He's like, I will whoop your ass in the jiffy lube.

[1019] I don't care.

[1020] Because now he doesn't have to worry about it.

[1021] Yeah, he's not worried about it anymore.

[1022] But he still, it would be a problem.

[1023] Everybody knows who he is.

[1024] You know, he'd get sued for sure.

[1025] Especially if there's no cameras that show the other guy started it and the other guy has a fake story.

[1026] Yeah.

[1027] Because no one tells the truth about altercations.

[1028] He's, and he, he, I was with him in traffic the other day and this guy, like, road raged him and was, like, almost trying to drive us off the road.

[1029] And I was like, man, if this guy only knew.

[1030] But he just, like, calm down.

[1031] Like, I think he knows his hands are weapons.

[1032] He's not going to use him in somebody.

[1033] Also, people have guns.

[1034] that too that's the real problem with road rage some people aren't playing by the rules just engaging with random people on the street it's so fucking dangerous and stupid you just never know and you also never know where that guy is in his life that guy might be suicide only might be ready to take you with him he might have reached his end he might have everything might have happened wrong for him that day he might have caught his wife fucking his neighbor or he might have went bankrupt you might have that's such a good perspective to have oh you always got it you never know what the fuck that guy just experienced before he got in his car you know and that's why he's driving like a maniac he's freaking the fuck out you know and if you contribute to that now you're his focus yep yeah that can happen i've like been like soul searching with i guess like my pride and trying to uh you know be more humble rather than prideful and traffic is my gauge that's where for me like that's where i think for guys like well i mean i used to get pissed off it people you know but i but now like that's just kind of my gauge of where i might be at in the day like if i'm able to just let stuff go and not like compete with the next driver then i feel like you know do you know why people get road rage do you know why it's so common and it's not common with people just walking around well i i think pride starts it and then from there it's just like you feel it like you're impenetrable impenetrable yeah being in a car There's definitely a little bit of that, but there's also, there's a heightened state of awareness because you're driving because when you're driving, you have to make fast decisions and you're moving fast.

[1035] So everything is quick, quick, quick, quick, quick.

[1036] So someone gets a funny motherfucker, you know?

[1037] It's like you're already at seven, you know?

[1038] And so when someone just gets in front of you, they bring you to 10 like that.

[1039] Whereas on, in the walking around, if someone got in front of you, you wouldn't care at all.

[1040] Like, if you're just walking somewhere on the street and there's a bunch of people walking, and some guy walking, past you and walks in front of you it means nothing right it doesn't even bother you but when you're car like this this fucking guy because you might have to make like this guy just sides a chain lane like fuck like this guy's an idiot he's making me hit the brakes like now I got a fucking what are you doing douchebag look at this asshole yep and you're already ramped up yeah and so people they go they get so angry so quick and that's why because you're at a heightened state of awareness because you're driving and when you're going 65 miles an hour you have to make quick decisions and when people are changing lanes and doing stupid shit like you're at the whim of their shitty decision making yeah yeah i guess so i guess i agree with you i think we're saying the same thing i think i think it it probably amplifies i think that's like a true test of someone's character i guess yeah like if you when you like i'm not saying like anybody that gets mad is a piece of shit because you got mad in traffic but i guess for me personally when i look at myself like it does the heightened sense of awareness would like amplify the fact that like my pride is what's controlling me that day right you know and if i'm able to like walk through the day humbly where i'm not at competition with people will that mean you know then all of a sudden i'm like oh okay i'll just hit the brakes let them go and i'll probably get to my destination at the same time yeah and it's no big deal instead of like making this gigantic problem for no reason like pull Oh, fuck you, male, poor.

[1041] And then the guy got a tire iron, and you're fucking swinging at each other.

[1042] Like, what?

[1043] Yeah.

[1044] Over what?

[1045] Like, what?

[1046] And people die all the time doing that, fighting each other.

[1047] Yeah.

[1048] For no fucking reason.

[1049] For zero reason, not to save people, not to protect property, not to, no, no fucking reason.

[1050] Yeah.

[1051] Just because they got, let their emotions take control of them.

[1052] They didn't have control of their mind and, you know, their humility and all those things.

[1053] And the sad thing is they'll probably realize that.

[1054] Yeah.

[1055] Once they calm down.

[1056] Or if you get arrested.

[1057] Yeah, five days later, they did look back and like, that was so dumb.

[1058] So dumb.

[1059] Yeah, when you're in a good place and you think about the stupid shit, do you do when you get angry?

[1060] Like, oh, my God, it's so embarrassing.

[1061] Yeah.

[1062] It's like, who was that person?

[1063] How did I let myself become that person where I was fucking screaming in my car for no fucking reason?

[1064] Right.

[1065] Where I could have just let him go, let him go, and then breathe back to normal.

[1066] Yeah.

[1067] No problems.

[1068] No problems.

[1069] Yeah.

[1070] Yeah, that's a, um, like I said that's like that's that's where the true me comes out I think and then I'll go back go back go home and work on it yeah well it's good man it's always good to have something to work on but how did you get involved in making these comedy videos man so 10 years ago July was our first video but three years prior to that I'd been like prank calling people and like I just I prank call my dad I prank called.

[1071] What did you do with your dad?

[1072] Oh, man. I was sitting.

[1073] He texted me. He was at, I was at A &M at the time, and he was at the ranch, like 30 miles away, where we, anyways, and he was like, hey, call the house.

[1074] I want to see if the phone works.

[1075] And I knew he didn't have caller ID.

[1076] So I called him, and he answered the phone like it could be anybody.

[1077] He didn't answer the phone like it was me. You know, usually I can tell his voice, you know, is my dad.

[1078] And he answered the phone like it could be anybody.

[1079] And I was like, hey, yeah, oh, yeah, I got your radiator here at the shop, and you need to come get it.

[1080] Like, it was real, like, impromptu, like, and I just told him he needed to come pick up his radiator.

[1081] And then I just started prank calling a lot of people.

[1082] Like, it was fun.

[1083] He fell for it.

[1084] And hook, line, sinker.

[1085] And then I just started prank calling a lot of people.

[1086] And then, yeah, in 2010.

[1087] No, I'm sorry, that was when the phone call was.

[1088] And then in 2013, we turned on the camera and, like, just started saying what I'd been saying on all these prank calls.

[1089] And we never stopped filming.

[1090] And so, like, since 2013, like, I mean, I'm still rodeo and still cowboy and still, you know, living my life.

[1091] But then there was just YouTube got introduced.

[1092] And, you know, so then it was more about, I don't know.

[1093] I got to be me, you know, I grew up rodeo on, I grew up the class clown.

[1094] My old man had me, he was an ag teacher too, and he had me in this organization called FFA where I did a lot of public speaking.

[1095] And so like I had done public speaking, I was a class clown, I was a rodeo cowboy, and they all came together in these videos.

[1096] And so we started 10 years ago, and I bet I made videos for two or three years before I even made any money.

[1097] I didn't realize, you know, how to make money on YouTube.

[1098] And then, you know, along the way, I started the apparel line, rodeo time.

[1099] And that was kind of one of the things I always went to, like, is rodeo time, old son.

[1100] And the apparel line did well.

[1101] And that's been kind of my main source of revenue, followed by YouTube and sponsors.

[1102] And so it just started out just for fun, for sure.

[1103] Which is always the best way to start something out.

[1104] For sure.

[1105] Because you're not thinking about it as a career, like, how do I get the most engagement?

[1106] man, I'm just having fun.

[1107] We didn't make, like I said, we didn't make money for a few years.

[1108] Like, I just didn't really even think about it.

[1109] Yeah.

[1110] That's similar to this podcast.

[1111] When we started out, I never thought it was going to make money.

[1112] It was just for fun.

[1113] Two thousand fifty seven episodes later.

[1114] Yeah, and a bunch of other ones.

[1115] And a bunch of, like, all the fight companions and the MMA podcasts, yeah.

[1116] It's, I think that's the best way to do something.

[1117] You do something like, because you want to do it, because it's fun.

[1118] Right.

[1119] And that's what's most engaging to people, And it's interesting because now you've got this Netflix show, but would Netflix have ever given you a show if you didn't prove that you could do something on your own?

[1120] Absolutely not.

[1121] No. And they would probably control it more and fuck with who you are more.

[1122] And there'd be a lot of, you know, a lot of other people trying to shape what it is.

[1123] Whereas now they go, we got this kind of finished thing.

[1124] We just need to apply Dale Brisby to this.

[1125] we know who Dale Brisby is and they did try that did they yeah like it was they wanted me to take my glasses off and they wanted to like bring the story of my dad into it and like how he shaped me as a cowboy and I just didn't feel like it fit you know like I'll talk about it here on a podcast but like if I'm making a video like I'm a comedian you know like I don't want to talk about anyways I just didn't want to bring my dad into it and it was nothing against them and they didn't have anything against me it was a good conversation but I was like These are kind of some bugaboos, but I had already established, like, who I was for 10 years.

[1126] And so, like, I had the mob's approval, like, in Gladiator, you know, he tells him to win over the mob, like yourself.

[1127] Like, it's Joe Rogan and then the audience.

[1128] Like, there's no middleman anymore.

[1129] And, like, if I tried to do this 20 years ago, like, you've got to go through an agent and networks, and it's like, do those gray hairs think it's a good idea?

[1130] And it's like, okay, maybe we'll try it.

[1131] And then you maybe get to try a show.

[1132] And so going through that whole acting route, well, with the internet, I go straight to the source and the mob approved of me. And so that was the beautiful thing.

[1133] Like nobody could have planned like my small story, you know, much like you couldn't have planned yours, big story.

[1134] But we went straight to the source and they liked it.

[1135] And so then Netflix was like, okay, cool, let's do something with this.

[1136] same thing with Spotify yeah well that's the best way to do it do it because you love doing it do it because it's fun and then along the way get better at it and along the way people start realizing it and then they start calling up and then I want to be in business with Dale Brisby yeah yeah yeah wait till they call you you know yeah well that's the unique thing about our time with things like social media with YouTube and the like you can create your own thing now like Cameron Haynes has done 100 % you just create your own thing and through that thing you know you you don't have anybody telling you what to do so you do it the way you think it should be done and you learn how to do it better with each episode if you care it's fun yeah cams he might even be more of a niche than I am but like being like not only hunting but specifically bow hunting specifically elk yeah and but yeah you're right I mean he's and then the mob approved of him and and he's running.

[1137] He's also an undeniable person.

[1138] You know, like you see what he's done in terms of like Ultramarathon running, his work ethic, and the fact that he did all that shit while he had a full -time job for the most time.

[1139] For the last five years, I was trying to talk that dude and quitting his job.

[1140] Yeah.

[1141] Every day I'd text him, quit that fucking job.

[1142] Every day.

[1143] You don't need that job.

[1144] He was making more money from his sponsors than he ever was from his job.

[1145] Right.

[1146] But, you know, he identifies as a hard -working blue -collar guy.

[1147] And that's what he always was his whole life.

[1148] And he felt like somehow another not having that job would maybe even disconnect him.

[1149] Yeah.

[1150] You know, but it's not.

[1151] It's the opposite.

[1152] He works even harder now, but now he does what he wants.

[1153] And he could actually sleep and he has time to recover.

[1154] And he said physically he feels better than he's ever felt before because, you know, he has real time to train and recover before he was working eight hours every day.

[1155] And then still running a fucking marathon every day when he was preparing for fucking ultras.

[1156] That dude was running 13 miles.

[1157] in the morning and then another 13 at night wild shit and then shooting his bow and then going to the gym and then getting up in the morning going to work again yeah that's another level of passion that like that's so yeah anybody that can run 100 miles I think is you know that's easy to say that they're just a unique individual yeah well he's done 240 like that alone is incredible but then the sacrifices he made to go do that yeah you know like like what you said like all of his free time yeah yeah He's not going to sit in his car because he hates his job.

[1158] He's going on his lunch hour to run because he's passionate about this additional thing.

[1159] Yeah.

[1160] And there's people like that in rodeo too.

[1161] You know, I think that the people that have that kind of work ethic, a little bit of talent, and then they're passionate about a certain thing, you know, that'll go all out.

[1162] And then eventually they're the ones that are successful, provided they stay healthy.

[1163] Provided they still healthy.

[1164] Yeah, that's the hard part, right?

[1165] Especially with rodeo.

[1166] I mean, any one day could be the last time you ever get it.

[1167] And the more you get on, the more you're reminded of that.

[1168] Like, it crosses your mind.

[1169] Like, I got in on, like, the last, I haven't been on in a couple months because I'm having this surgery.

[1170] I was supposed to have it a month ago.

[1171] But, like, I just got down in the shoot.

[1172] And we weren't even filming.

[1173] and um i just got like super emotional i just started crying you know like in the shoot like i'm like emotional you know and i had to get out and start over and you know it just it looks like you know he's bitching out or something but really i was just like let me just because i'm just thinking about my dad thinking about this this could be my last bronch right like this could be it you know and you just get overwhelmed and then the smell the arena and the music's playing and your buddies are there but just that fight like as soon as the gate opens it's just so pure it's so pure and like all the shit talking like all that's out the window and it's you and the horse because the horse he didn't hear it you know it's just like can you execute the fundamentals in the midst of your emotions running them up and essentially that's what it is like executing fundamentals in the middle of the fight or do you let the fear overcome you and you do what your intuition says to do which, unfortunately, is opposite of what you're supposed to do.

[1174] Like in Broncring, you're supposed to lift on your reign and stay back.

[1175] Well, your intuition tells you to sit up and pull.

[1176] And I'm sure it's a lot of the same things in fighting.

[1177] Like, your intuition is telling you to do this, and that's the move they want you to do so they can put you here.

[1178] And so once you get control of your emotions and you execute the fundamentals, and that's what makes guys like J .B. so great, you know.

[1179] There's something that people experience when they do something very difficult that makes them want to keep doing it, that the rush of doing that, of keeping your emotions in check in this insanely high pressure situation, that becomes so addictive to some people.

[1180] It says it's so hard for someone like me to understand has never done it, but I kind of get it.

[1181] I kind of get the mindset, for sure.

[1182] I don't think, again, I'm not suggesting you get on a bull, but I don't think you're that far away from just realizing.

[1183] I think the fact that the bull is involved is maybe what's so foreign to yourself and a lot of people that haven't done it but like once you get over the animal part of it the unpredictability of an animal you just like oh this is like a thing it's like you know football or fighting or you know going overseas like those guys like I went on I got to go on marcus's podcast and become good friends Marcus atro Marcus and since then I love that dude he's yeah he's He's a big fan of you, too.

[1184] He's an awesome guy.

[1185] He's been kind of like, I don't want to say like a dad to me, but like I've like used him as that, hey, what are we doing this situation kind of deal?

[1186] Mm -hmm.

[1187] You know?

[1188] Yeah.

[1189] And like when them guys go around the corner at a house, you know, is there going to be a fight there and just that thrill of like, okay, now there is a fight?

[1190] And I was talking to DJ Shipley.

[1191] He's a SEAL Team 6 guy.

[1192] and he told me we were on the back of the shoots and he was like what I respect about rodeo is every time it's a fight and he said when we go into a room to clear a room 95 % of the time the room is benign and so I looked up what benign meant and but he said he and he was you know obviously the stakes are different in bull riding and you know guys going overseas and being in combat you know the stakes are much different but but he said he and he was you know obviously the stakes are different but.

[1193] But he was just respecting the fact that when you do go around that corner, you have to execute the fundamentals in the midst of like fear and whatnot.

[1194] Same thing.

[1195] I'm sure there's guys going into the ring in the octagon where it's just like they don't feel like it that day or this particular guys got in their head.

[1196] Well, they got to get that out of their head and execute fundamentals.

[1197] Yeah, 100%.

[1198] And that's just to them, that's that thing that they can't stop.

[1199] The thrill of that very insane, high pressure situation and trying to keep your wits about you and stay in control of your emotions and just banking on your training and executing.

[1200] So guys like J .B, I almost was telling the story a while ago.

[1201] Like, I just, I love it.

[1202] And it's one that everybody in our industry knows.

[1203] But, like, one thing that sets him apart, like, at some of those PBR events, once you get to, like, what would be, like the short round, you get to pick your bull.

[1204] And so that's unique.

[1205] You know, at rodeos, you never pick your bull.

[1206] It's more you get drawn your bull.

[1207] Well, at these PBRs, there's instances where you do a draft and you pick it.

[1208] And where you're sitting going into that short round determines when you pick.

[1209] Well, there's this real famous bull named Bushwacker, like unridden.

[1210] Somebody wrote him whenever he was like a two -year -old.

[1211] I wish I remembered the name now, but like he had this one ride when he was real young.

[1212] But then once he started like going to all the big bull riding, he's like, nobody rode this bull, Bushwacker.

[1213] And J .B. picked him 13 times.

[1214] Like he always picked that bull.

[1215] Some guys would pick a bull they know they could ride.

[1216] Like I know I can be 90, 88 points on this bull, so I'm going to pick him.

[1217] You know, there's these other two, three I'm unsure about, but I'm going to pick this one.

[1218] I know I can ride and hopefully win.

[1219] J .B. went to Bushwacker 13 times, and he wrote him once.

[1220] Wow.

[1221] Like he kept picking him.

[1222] the most dangerous, baddest bull in the world, undeniably.

[1223] And he just kept going back to him.

[1224] And that was one of those cowboy factors.

[1225] And they played bad to the bone that they're a good song.

[1226] And when that song comes on, the crowd goes freaking nuts.

[1227] And they know J .B .'s coming around the corner.

[1228] Like, they don't play it for anybody else.

[1229] Wow.

[1230] And anyways, that mentality for him to pick that bull 13 times.

[1231] And so when you say he only wrote it once, you mean he made it to eight seconds once?

[1232] Correct.

[1233] 95.

[1234] five and a quarter points, I think.

[1235] Is this it?

[1236] Bushwacker.

[1237] This is Bushwacker.

[1238] I'm not sure if this is...

[1239] Look at the neck on that motherfucker.

[1240] Oh, cool.

[1241] Oh, yeah, this is the one.

[1242] I recognize that.

[1243] This is the one where he does ride him.

[1244] It's like he's...

[1245] Hat, no helmet.

[1246] Hat down, baby.

[1247] Slide and ride.

[1248] He does not waste time in the shoot.

[1249] Wow, look at that bull.

[1250] Oh, my God.

[1251] And he had a different trip every time.

[1252] And then, bam.

[1253] Wow.

[1254] And the crowd goes nuts.

[1255] Look at that lady.

[1256] Confetti's fine.

[1257] Look at that lady.

[1258] Yeah.

[1259] They love that man right there.

[1260] Look at that lady cheers.

[1261] Look at her face.

[1262] Look at her face.

[1263] It's like she was riding with her.

[1264] Wow.

[1265] That's amazing.

[1266] There was one of those 13 times, though.

[1267] He picked him.

[1268] And two seconds during the ride.

[1269] So, like, he's on his back, just like he is right here.

[1270] and all the lights go out.

[1271] Oh, no. All the lights shut out.

[1272] And, uh, no, that's one of my videos, just where he tells the story.

[1273] Yeah.

[1274] I don't know if it's actually on, uh, yeah, that, that one down there is another one.

[1275] The bottom says JV rides bull in the dark.

[1276] That's another one of mine.

[1277] Oh, same thing.

[1278] I got the algorithm picked.

[1279] You got it wired.

[1280] Yeah, you get it wired.

[1281] But no, um, yeah, and so like two seconds in that.

[1282] The lights go out.

[1283] And I was like, what did you do?

[1284] And he was like, well, I can't ride him in a lit -up -ass arena, much less in the dark.

[1285] He jumped off.

[1286] Yeah.

[1287] That would be, obviously, I mean, I guess it would be similar to riding him if you were blind, but riding something in the dark.

[1288] That would be the most of him.

[1289] So is he the only guy other than that person who wrote him who's two?

[1290] Yep.

[1291] Wow.

[1292] Yeah, and they retired him a few years after that, I think.

[1293] That's crazy.

[1294] And nobody else tried?

[1295] Oh, yeah.

[1296] Guys would get on him all the time.

[1297] Yeah.

[1298] They just get flown.

[1299] Yeah, just didn't.

[1300] I can't remember how.

[1301] How many outs he had had?

[1302] How unusual is that, that a bull's that good?

[1303] In the PBR...

[1304] First time ridden and 43 outs.

[1305] Wow.

[1306] In the PBR...

[1307] I mean, like, there's so many great bulls.

[1308] Bodacious is a famous...

[1309] is probably arguably...

[1310] Bodacious and Bushwacker are the two most famous bulls, I would say.

[1311] In Bodacious, he was more like the 90s.

[1312] And he had some rides, but...

[1313] The PBR these days is, yeah, I think that's tough.

[1314] What a crazy thing to want to do.

[1315] The bull does not want you on them, and you decide to get on them.

[1316] Yep.

[1317] And ride him for his, oh, Jesus.

[1318] Yeah, I think that's tough.

[1319] That's what freaks me out when you go down and they're coming down with you.

[1320] Yeah, that's tough, heat them in.

[1321] Sorry, tough.

[1322] I should have recognized your shirt.

[1323] How long did it take to heal your sternum?

[1324] That's a scary one to break.

[1325] Like the thing that's right over your heart?

[1326] It kind of just did its own thing, you know, just took a, take a break.

[1327] I don't remember exactly how long.

[1328] It's been a long time ago.

[1329] How long did it take before it felt normal again?

[1330] The breathing and everything.

[1331] Like it was, I don't really remember it, to be honest.

[1332] Like, it wasn't like, it didn't just, like, crack open.

[1333] You know, it was just like a break.

[1334] Like, it was like a, I mean, it might have even just been, I don't know what it was considered like a fracture.

[1335] Uh -huh.

[1336] But, like, but, yeah, it wasn't like, it wasn't like a life -threatening type sternum deal.

[1337] But it was a sternum, you know, is what the doctor said.

[1338] But, like, it wasn't like.

[1339] It was it from getting stepped on?

[1340] Yeah.

[1341] By a horse or by a bull.

[1342] Bull.

[1343] But the back surgeries were the ones that were kind of, which they weren't near as serious as like J .Bs and Jacobs.

[1344] What did you get done?

[1345] It was a discectomies.

[1346] Okay.

[1347] So they had a bulging disc and they took some of the disc material out.

[1348] Yeah.

[1349] Pushing against nerves.

[1350] But it just, it didn't work and they just kept having to go back in.

[1351] Yeah.

[1352] It wasn't like, it's just, it was enough to take me out for two years.

[1353] Mm -hmm.

[1354] And it's not, like I said, it's not near as serious as like what they did to Jacobs and J .B. But it was something that just like took me out of the game.

[1355] And then it's like, now it's this lingering injury.

[1356] one of half a dozen.

[1357] Have you ever gotten stem cells on them?

[1358] No. They're doing a lot of stem cells with people with disc issues.

[1359] My friend Shane Dorian just went down to Tijuana, and they actually put him under, and they inject stem cells directly into the disks.

[1360] So the disc that are degenerated, that have experienced all the wear and tear, they go right into the disc and swell it up.

[1361] And it actually helps you grow new disc tissue.

[1362] and some people have gotten some pretty significant results from that.

[1363] What is it?

[1364] Why is it?

[1365] Why are you going to go to Mexico?

[1366] Do we not have any...

[1367] America's fucked.

[1368] I don't know why.

[1369] I mean, you could ask the people that run the FDA, I assume there's a lot of factors at play, and probably some of them aren't beneficial to us.

[1370] But there's a very big resistance to people being able to just go and get stem cell treatments.

[1371] Although there's no, it doesn't seem to be any downside.

[1372] I'm not seeing anybody.

[1373] that's getting stem cells and dying from the procedure.

[1374] It's not what's going on.

[1375] Like, you're healing.

[1376] It's helping people heal.

[1377] And I know so many people that have had significant results.

[1378] But you've got to go to Mexico.

[1379] You've got to go to Panama.

[1380] You've got to go to Colombia.

[1381] And these people that do that, they come back with amazing stories of healing.

[1382] But in the United States, it's much more difficult to get that kind of treatment.

[1383] They can't do what they can do over there.

[1384] Cowboy was suggesting that to me. and but yeah it seems like a miracle drug you know it seems like like don't have surgery have stem cells you know with my shoulder though like I mean the freaking bone is missing like I got to you know yeah that seems like something you have to have surgery on stem cells can't put a bone back but but yeah there's like like the back thing and some other random little things he was just like dude you need to but I don't know it just how old he now 36 yeah that's when it starts falling apart Yeah.

[1385] That's someone that starts falling apart for fighters.

[1386] When I look at a fighter's age and they hit like 36, 37, I'm like, the moment I turned 30 is when I first had my first back injury.

[1387] Yeah.

[1388] Well, it was a little before that.

[1389] It was actually here in Austin, which is in March, in the short go.

[1390] What was that riding?

[1391] I was getting on a Bronx.

[1392] And he frat me in the shoot, so he, like, he reared up real hard.

[1393] and brought my legs down and kind of crunched my body together.

[1394] And I didn't really realize it at the time.

[1395] I made a good ride that night, but then, like, later at rodeos after that, like, I just started falling off.

[1396] Like, my right leg wouldn't...

[1397] I felt like I wasn't stretching enough.

[1398] And it just got worse and worse.

[1399] I'd get out of a pickup.

[1400] I couldn't stand up straight for half an hour.

[1401] And I went to a doctor...

[1402] Anyways, then I dislocated my shoulder, and finally I was like, all right, I got to go.

[1403] You know, and I went to Tandy Freeman sent me to Andrew Dossett, who does a bunch for the Cowboys, like, worked on Troy Aitman, Tony Romo, and he's like, yep, we got to cut you open and do this right here.

[1404] There's a lot of opinions on whether or not a guy should have surgery, but I was like, man, this guy's legit.

[1405] Yeah.

[1406] I'm going to take his opinion.

[1407] Well, you know, surgeons like to do surgery.

[1408] Yeah.

[1409] And a lot of surgeons don't have experience with stem cell treatments.

[1410] Right.

[1411] What they know is, oh, your disc is bulging, will remove that disc.

[1412] The part of the disc is bulging and won't bulge anymore.

[1413] But you're also, you're cutting out the amount of cushioning you have in between your spinal column, and you only have so much of that.

[1414] Daniel Cormier said when he got his back done, he was never the same again.

[1415] He said, I'd never get back surgery again.

[1416] And now that he knows, and most people know, that there's other alternatives, specifically stem cells.

[1417] And people have had great results.

[1418] I know a lot of people, their back was fucked.

[1419] and they got stem cell treatments, and now they feel great.

[1420] Yeah.

[1421] It can be done.

[1422] Yeah, so the back, so then it didn't work, had another one, and it did get better after the second one.

[1423] The recovery took like a year, and then, like, it started to feel better, yeah.

[1424] Wow.

[1425] Yeah, like, it took a year.

[1426] And, like, before I could, like, get on a bucking horse again.

[1427] Like, I mean, yeah, three or four months later, I'm doing all the normal life things, but before I get on a bucking horse, it took a year.

[1428] Because it just didn't.

[1429] feel strong and just felt well and just yeah exactly and then the risk of it re herniating because of the time you you know which that part doesn't necessarily that doesn't take a year but just for me it took a year do anything to strengthen your back yeah i mean i got like that uh deal you got out there the um the teeter yeah yeah yeah i got one of those i'll do and yeah they gave me a lot of exercises which is like routine for me like i do the routine stuff like for a back injury same thing with my shoulder so like that's why it's like i don't do the normal tim kennedy stuff all the time i've also got these like workouts that revolve around injuries and recovery that i'll do and uh but like when i went to cams i was getting ready for cams and i didn't tell him this but i was at about a month before like i was running a lot you know like trying because i didn't want to be a bitch up on this mountain you know and uh my my leg pain started coming back and then my hips started hurting And I was like, oh, shit, it's coming back again.

[1430] And anyways, I did the deal.

[1431] We ran like 12 miles.

[1432] And like I said, threw up in the bow rack.

[1433] But I went back to the surgeon.

[1434] He was like, where your leg pain's coming back because of your back, you know, but it should go away if you'll ease up on the running.

[1435] But your hips, he's like, you have severe early onset arthritis.

[1436] He's like, you've got bone spurs all over your hips.

[1437] You'll probably have to, if you did have hips replacement surgery, it would be early.

[1438] And he said it's just because of your lifestyle.

[1439] But so like now every time I run, it's like I got rocks in my hips.

[1440] Yeah, don't do that anymore.

[1441] There's got to be other ways to get in condition.

[1442] Sorry, Cam.

[1443] Yeah, Cam.

[1444] Joe said it.

[1445] That dude doesn't have any problems, which is amazing.

[1446] I'm stunned that he doesn't have physical problems.

[1447] He's a real freak.

[1448] It made me, like, I was just like up on the mountain.

[1449] Like my hips are just like crunching.

[1450] I'm like, how is this man doing this?

[1451] like how is he doing this like because he's in his 50s yeah he's my age and and you know he's got some of those pains he just doesn't you know like tape his feet like him and Goggins like yeah he's a different breed well I think it's just what you get accustomed to him and Goggins they're just accustomed to a level of pain and discomfort that most people just would not accept and they just accept it as a part of everyday life but with Kim I don't think he has any like legitimate injuries like his knees don't fuck with him.

[1452] His hips don't fuck with him, which is crazy.

[1453] You think about the amount that guy runs and works out, and he's in his 50s.

[1454] Do you think that he's got, like, his body is conditioned?

[1455] Obviously, his cardio for sure, but I mean, like, his actual joints.

[1456] They're like, we're okay with this kind of pounding because of how much he does it.

[1457] Yeah, it has to be.

[1458] Yeah, they've done studies on people that run a lot, and it shows that the cartilage and the meniscus and everything gets harder it's a your your body gets accustomed to that whatever you force it to do your body adapts sometimes to the detriment of the joint you know like goggins had to he was bone on bone for so long with his knees and running thousands of miles bone on bone that his bone was deforming and distorting because it was like it's like the constant irritation of grinding against the other bones the doctor looked at him and said i can't believe you can walk with these knees forget about run thousands of miles so instead of getting a knee replace and what he did was where the bone like bulged out they cut that off they sliced like a wedge out of his bone chop this piece off and brought it down so it's flat again yeah so now it's just bone on bone and flat now instead of bone on bone at a distorted angle like fuck man all so he can start over and go back to doing it yeah he just had another one just sent me video of his I don't know what he had done now but he had another surgery yeah on his knees and you know he's eventually going to have to get fake knees eventually it's just going to get to the point where they don't work anymore and then they'll put artificial knees but the problem of the artificial knees is I don't know how long they would last with the way he treats his body like he put he would not stop pushing himself if he had artificial knees right so like I think those things are only good for like 20 years.

[1459] Yeah.

[1460] So what happens in 20 years?

[1461] Like, they got to go back in?

[1462] No kidding.

[1463] Put another one in there?

[1464] Right.

[1465] Open, cut the top of your knee off again?

[1466] Because you know he's going to live until he's 105.

[1467] Yeah, it probably will.

[1468] Yeah.

[1469] Probably be running.

[1470] They'll probably die running.

[1471] Die running.

[1472] Die running up a mountain and be very happy.

[1473] Yeah.

[1474] Yeah.

[1475] He's an animal.

[1476] I mean, but you need people like that in the world to show you.

[1477] You need people like Tim Kennedy and Cam Haynes.

[1478] and those kind of people.

[1479] You need people like that out there to set the bar very high.

[1480] It helps all of us.

[1481] Even if you're not interested in doing that kind of shit, like I don't work out as hard as they do.

[1482] But it sets the bar much higher in comparison to what you would require of yourself normally.

[1483] Yeah.

[1484] You require more because you know there's people like that out there that are really getting after it.

[1485] And then you realize you can do more.

[1486] You could do more than you think you do for sure.

[1487] I think, yeah, we've named all the ones that do that for me physically.

[1488] Jocko.

[1489] Jocko's another one.

[1490] I got to meet the other day, Theo Vaughn.

[1491] He's that for me in comedy.

[1492] I love that dude.

[1493] Yeah, I met him at the Power Slap deal.

[1494] Oh, okay.

[1495] Yeah.

[1496] He's just like, he's like that all the time.

[1497] Yeah, he's like that all the time.

[1498] He's hilarious.

[1499] He's such a fun dude and such a good guy.

[1500] And, you know, he's like that.

[1501] He's on all the time.

[1502] Like, he's on when you're out at dinner.

[1503] He's on when you're just hanging out He can't turn it off No, no, no, that's Theo And he's Paul It's such a unique kind of comedy too Like his comedy is like Nobody does comedy like him It's so different And if anybody tried to imitate it They would know exactly who they were Were imitating at the time And it would be a turnoff My favorite joke he goes My cousin got bit by a gay guy So we'll see Somehow He gets away with whenever he's like No, no, no, no, I'm not racist.

[1504] You know, I have some flare -ups in traffic.

[1505] But other than that, like, how do you get away with that?

[1506] The stuff he gets away with is hilarious.

[1507] He's such a fucking character.

[1508] He's such a fucking character.

[1509] Yeah, he invited me out to a show, and I'm going to go.

[1510] He's another dude that seems so happy that he got out of L .A. L .A. was just not for him.

[1511] When he moved to Nashville, I was immediately, like, that's a way better fit for you.

[1512] And he's talking about coming out here.

[1513] Yeah, do you think he will?

[1514] I hope so.

[1515] I hope so.

[1516] He's got a home here.

[1517] One thing about comedians, they need a place where they meet up with other comedians.

[1518] You know, you don't want to just be that dude on the road with only your opening act.

[1519] Like, that guy's lonely.

[1520] It gets weird.

[1521] You got, like, we're a tribal group.

[1522] We have to be around our people, you know.

[1523] And, you know, when you're hanging out, like, get the mothership in the green room, we're all talking shit and laughing.

[1524] It's like, that's our comfort zone.

[1525] Yeah.

[1526] You know, and that club is like, it's like a clubhouse.

[1527] Like, it's a place where we can go.

[1528] We're all practicing our art form.

[1529] We're all getting better at it.

[1530] We're all feeding off of each other getting better at it.

[1531] We're all helping each other with jokes.

[1532] We're all talking shop in the green room.

[1533] And I got this bit.

[1534] I can't figure out where to go with it.

[1535] We're trying to break things down.

[1536] And we're coming up with tag lines for each other.

[1537] It's fun, man. And we had that.

[1538] LA before the pandemic with the comedy store and you know and Theo when he was here is like man this is what I missed the most and I was like well this is worth that man yeah this is what we're trying to do here we're trying to like what we set up with that club was like to have a place where all of us could go and and have that support and have that place where you're like oh this my home base and that's why I wanted to call it the mothership because you you you'll go from there and you leave to go to other places you know you leave to go but you come back to the mother ship that's it's such a good system yeah and maybe maybe he can bring bobby lee to be his bobby lee's never moving here i talked to him on the phone the other day he's like fuck you joe i'm not coming i'm not coming to austin you're tricking everybody into coming to austin fuck austin he's scared he's gonna have to live here if he comes in visits oh i don't think it's that it's just being silly he's just being bobby lee but he you know he stays in his neighborhood in l a and he's like where i live is fine it's like it's like i don't go to skid row yeah i don't go to the places that suck you know just stay stay where I'm at well that camaraderie is like that's one of the major things like with rodeo and I was talking to my guys that work for me like you'll miss the thrill of you know depending on how you feel about it if you are one of those passionate individuals that loves actually the fight you'll miss that the very next thing if not the more important thing is the guys and be behind the shoots and going down the road like that camaraderie of going down the road with, you know, that's the other thing.

[1539] And it keeps you going a lot of times, like, when you feel like you want to quit, when you feel, you know.

[1540] Especially when it's a, you do it for a living, you know, when that's like you're rodeoing for your income.

[1541] And so there's rodeos that you want to be at.

[1542] And then there's rodeos, like, also like, hey, I need to make money.

[1543] And so you're going.

[1544] But no matter, even those rodeos, like, they're still, like, you're on the back of the shoot.

[1545] And it's the epitome of freedom Like it's the standing on the back of the shoots I remember I think it was Clear Lake South Dakota And I just had this aha moment Like standing on the back of the shoots Being a kid from Texas And going to those rodeos And The National Anthem was playing And it was just This is freedom And I don't know that you have a more patriotic bunch Than I'm For me at least The most patriotic individuals I've come across barring, you know, as a group, barring the actual ones doing the fighting, like rodeo cowboys are very appreciative because, like, we get to see that freedom every weekend.

[1546] That's her job.

[1547] You know, when people do something that's very difficult and controversial and it becomes their passion, they really value freedom.

[1548] And when you're doing something that other people maybe don't understand because they don't have experience in it, they don't know why you even doing that.

[1549] You shouldn't even be able to do that.

[1550] Like, they don't get it.

[1551] They're not a part of the life.

[1552] And that's why it's important to hear people like you talk about it, because someone who might have had an opinion based on just a peripheral understanding of what rodeo writing, like, this is stupid, why are they into this?

[1553] Who cares about ranching?

[1554] And then you hear you talk about it.

[1555] And you're like, hey, you know, there's someone listening to it right now.

[1556] Like, maybe there's something in there that I don't understand because I just haven't experienced it.

[1557] Maybe it's parallel to things that I enjoy in my life that maybe other people wouldn't understand.

[1558] well i think you know you mentioned like the controversy i think a lot of the controversy that's in and around rodeo and ranching are because people don't understand it and so they just make assumptions and they're uneducated like for instance that bull bushwhacker like we could we can slow it down and i can show you like i mean we don't have to but the point is it's like nothing's wrapped around as balls right you know what i mean like a flank rope it's a cotton rope about six feet long and it's the equivalent of you tightening up your belt that bull that bulls is doing that because he wants to and it's in his blood and that's what he wants to do like he's not you're not going to make that animal do anything there's a rope around their balls and people no there's not one there's not a rope around them but for some reason people think that that's what the flank is and i mean in bucking horses some of them are mares so even if that that is what we were doing what are you going to do with a mare right because but it gives them something to kick at they're horses that are going to buck and if they don't want a buck animal like especially horses like when they feel pain they're running off sometimes they might run off just if they're scared or something but like so if they were in pain they wouldn't be bucking like they would they would stop eventually you would train them to stop if they were in pain and they're just they don't experience pain like that and you're on their back and it's they just don't want you on their back and the fun part is ride them when they don't want you riding them yeah yeah yeah but like you get around bulls like you can walk back there there's so many bulls that you could walk up to and rub all over in the backpins and then you run them in the shoot and they know that game and when you open the shoot they buck like crazy just because they want to and so like yeah they don't they're trying to buck you off but if he doesn't want to buck he ain't going to you're not going to make him do that like you can't train them to buck there's little things you can do to improve their bucking but you're not going to make an animal buck like I said I bought one at the sailborne like I've probably bought 20 bulls at the sailborne and this one that I got is the only one that made it like most bulls that you see like they're not going to be bucking bulls like it's a unique same thing with horses so it's just in their genes it's in their genes it's in their genetics and they want to do it kind of like how some horses are better at you know hunter jumper stuff or you know racing you know like my horse boon can't run out of sight in a day you know but he's a good ranch horse so that's what I've got him at and then I got this you know, bucking horse that we call Baptist who went to the NFR and bucking and like that's what he was made for.

[1559] And when you get a bull like Bushwacker, is it like very valuable to breed that bull?

[1560] I mean like guys are paying 50, 60, $100 ,000 for bulls, $500 ,000 for bulls.

[1561] The last thing you want, at a $100 ,000 bull, last thing you want is for him to feel pain.

[1562] He's going to sleep in a little padded pin and maybe an air -conditioned barn in the summer, a heated barn in the, like some of these bulls have cushy lives.

[1563] And again, if they weren't doing that, they'd have been dead at a little over a year.

[1564] Right.

[1565] So, I don't know.

[1566] I think people think of it the way they think of bull fighting, like in Mexico.

[1567] Right.

[1568] Like when you see the Matador, and they stab them and all that shit.

[1569] Yeah.

[1570] I think people connect rodeo to what they think of as the cruelest, cruelist aspects.

[1571] I think also they think of these animals as having the same pain tolerance as a human.

[1572] You know, like these dudes ain't, they're not coming inside in a winter, in a hellstorm.

[1573] Yeah.

[1574] They're just going to sit out in it and be fine.

[1575] Like, it's a completely different species.

[1576] Yeah.

[1577] And people look at it like, oh, man, if that happened to me, that would hurt.

[1578] Yeah, of course, because we're humans, you know.

[1579] and like I'm not trying to justify anything all I'm saying is you're dealing with a different species and like there's just things that aren't painful to them like for instance a flank like it's a cotton rope like I should have brought one so simple I've done a lot of tutorials on my YouTube where I show like I'll put one on I put one on boon in a YouTube video like my ranching he's like a gentle horse like I put a flank on him and turn it and we turned him out and he just walks out he's like dude I'm not a bucking horse right and there's a lot of misconceptions like that also in the ranching world you know you you might see somebody treating animals like shit because in in some exceptional video that goes viral in the dairy or something where somebody yeah but that's not the norm right people don't feel like that like dude when my dog died I cried you know like I don't want to put if I have to put something down I'm probably going to call my brother like I don't like to do that, you know.

[1580] Right.

[1581] But that's a misconception.

[1582] That's why I say that, like, the animosity is really just because people are uneducated.

[1583] And at the base of it, you know, some people do put animals and unapologetically put animals on the same level of humans.

[1584] Well, then we've got a different belief system.

[1585] Yeah.

[1586] And now we're going down a road where we're probably not going to agree on a lot of things.

[1587] Right, right.

[1588] Because as much as I love animals, they're just not more.

[1589] important than humans?

[1590] No, not to me either.

[1591] They're very important to me, but it's a different thing.

[1592] I value humans above everything else.

[1593] And that's how animals feel about their species, too.

[1594] You know, all animals.

[1595] And that's the rule of nature.

[1596] It's fucking tooth -fanging claw.

[1597] We've just managed to figure out cities and buildings and cars, and we've managed to shield ourselves from it to the point where we don't think we're a part of the cycle of life, but we are.

[1598] We're just in a very distorted version of it where you could just go buy the meat at the store.

[1599] So by hiring a supermarket hitman, somehow or another, you feel like you are immune to the pain and suffering.

[1600] And so they don't, those kind of people, there's a lot of people that eat meat that don't like hunting.

[1601] And that to me is just very strange.

[1602] Like, you are, you're consuming food, then you have zero idea where that food came from.

[1603] You don't have a goddamn clue what kind of life that animal had and you eat that, and you're fine.

[1604] but you'd think there's something wrong with someone going out and getting it themselves in the wild, which to me is crazy.

[1605] And it's also like, it's just ignorance.

[1606] And it's convenient thinking, convenient thinking that you're in a morally superior position because you're not involved in the actual death itself.

[1607] And I don't think that's true at all.

[1608] And those animals do not.

[1609] I mean, you've got some instances with certain horses, maybe certain dogs, but it's an exception to the rule.

[1610] But the rule of thumb is animals do not reciprocate that love.

[1611] Theo had that mortician on.

[1612] And he was talking about, like, it takes a cat like 24 hours.

[1613] If you die in the house, that cat's eating you.

[1614] And most dogs, all small dogs, are eating you, like within 24 hours.

[1615] But the guy said that something about labs, labs won't.

[1616] Like, it'd take a lab a long time before a lab at you.

[1617] But, like, a little dog, as soon as they're hungry, they're going to eat you.

[1618] Really?

[1619] So, like, you got all this love for this animal, and, like, you die.

[1620] And he's like, all right, I'm eating you, Kathy.

[1621] You know?

[1622] Which I'm not trying to say that Kathy shouldn't care for her dog.

[1623] Right.

[1624] All I'm saying is, is, like, there's an order, I think, that was the way God designed us.

[1625] And I'm not saying that means that we have a right to abuse animals at all.

[1626] No. And because I, again, those are exceptions to the rule in my industry.

[1627] Like, people don't like other people that, like, do bad things to animals.

[1628] No, we need to be respectful.

[1629] It's a sign of a serial killer.

[1630] Yeah.

[1631] Someone that tortures animals or hurts animals.

[1632] That's a sick person.

[1633] It's a complete bullshit.

[1634] It's a sick person.

[1635] I don't know.

[1636] It's not something that exists.

[1637] Well, those PETA videos have, like, really poisoned a lot of people's minds, too.

[1638] But then there is the reality of factory farming, which is, you know, You know, in a lot of ways, very cruel.

[1639] Yeah.

[1640] You know, we've all seen those trucks filled with pigs or trucks filled with chickens going down the road, and they're all slammed in there together, and it just doesn't look good.

[1641] Yeah.

[1642] And that's real, too.

[1643] But regular ranching, like what you're talking about, it's not the problem.

[1644] I harvested that elk.

[1645] I mean, Boak Hills are right there.

[1646] And the second arrow, he went, we had lost an elk that morning.

[1647] like we ended up finding him but at the time I was like I don't want this rascal to leave you know so I put a second arrow in him and the way the sun beamed through the trees it just like highlighted him in the video and I was going to post it in the next day or two but and then that arrow hits him and a little bit of blood comes out and I was talking to cam about it and he was like man and he went over like the death thing like imagine that that that elk's death outside side of like this merciful arrow you know yeah and there are parts of it that are brutal you know that that like meaning like just like I don't know manly and wild and like it seems barbaric a little bit but compare that to just that stun gun when they're going down a shoot you know right like it's not I mean like that guy's probably a little more numb to it than anybody right which I think hey I need to eat so do what you got to do yeah but that guy's just whacking a all day long, bang, bank, bank, bank, yeah.

[1648] But, I don't know, there's a certain level of connection that you get with nature as a cowboy, you know, and you do get faced with death.

[1649] And, you know, like, when you're tending to animals, like, it just happens, you know.

[1650] I lost one of my dad's pickup horses the other day, and he died, he collicked, and, you know, like, you're faced with it, you know, and we cut off part of his mane and pulled his shoes off and put him out in the pasture, you know, where he got to, you know, go back to dust, but it's just, it's part of life, whether we like it or not.

[1651] And like you said, like, you're not escaping it by going to the grocery store.

[1652] You just don't have to look at it.

[1653] Exactly.

[1654] And you're not also escaping the horrors of monocrop agriculture and what that does to animals.

[1655] The idea of having thousands of acres of corn, and when they harvest that corn, all sorts of shit is getting chopped up with that corn.

[1656] Yeah.

[1657] also whatever grain whether it's wheat alfalfa whatever when they're harvesting that stuff there's a lot of animals dying there's a lot of animals dying and then there's a lot of groundhogs you get killed a lot of gophers get killed a lot of things get murdered in order to make sure that you have those vegetables that you think are so ethical yeah you know yeah and yeah the farm inside of it is something i don't know them sod busters it's kind of like it's kind of like The difference in ruffies and timies, you know, like the segregation, it's playful.

[1658] You know, like we absolutely need farming, and I've got a lot of friends that are farmers.

[1659] It's just not something I'm as familiar with.

[1660] That's another thing, though, that gets in your blood.

[1661] Those, the people that really enjoy, I think there's certain things that speak to human evolution.

[1662] And hunting is one of those.

[1663] Like, you don't know that you have this connection with it until you do it, and then it feels so right.

[1664] It feels like this is what I'm supposed to be doing to get meat.

[1665] Like this feels natural because humans did it for thousands and thousands of years.

[1666] Same with agriculture.

[1667] I'm sure the same with cowboying.

[1668] There's probably something in it that like speaks to a part of who you are and how we became a civilized agricultural society that you had to be good at this in order to survive.

[1669] And so this is sort of baked into the human DNA.

[1670] Yeah.

[1671] And there's certain parts of it that are, you know, maybe difficult to I'd, that I'd, But that doesn't mean they're wrong when they're new to you and it's your first time seeing it Like it might be it might be unique and different and at first glance make you uncomfortable But that doesn't mean that it's evil right you know that's the thing it's like if people are very limited in their experiences are very confident in their opinions yeah and sometimes that's Those two things don't go all together right with unique things and things that they don't really have knowledge of like cowboying like like like bow hunting like a lot lot of things like they don't understand it like why would you want to do that you know but if you did it you'd understand how much bow hunting have you done that was my first bull hunt wow september that's the first home for an elk that's wild it's first time to kill anything with a bow that's a wild thing to kill for your first thing yep that's the big one that's the top of the food chain no kidding i was nervous and uh wayne indicott he was like man you need to get out there and then brush and find some rabbits and whatnot but like like time got away from me and I just didn't but I I practiced a lot a lot a lot and uh I was kind of we were kind of glassing this one six by six and I was nervous where were you what part of the country I was in Kremlin Colorado placed Bear Mountain um outfitters this this this Brad probes he was a genius all week and my inexperience kept me from getting this big six by six like I should have drawn on a couple of bulls but I just didn't like step out when I needed to right and he was walking me through it so the last day the last day the last hour of sunlight we're watching this six by six and my heart was racing and then he kind of trotted off my heart calmed down and then out of nowhere this this uh five by five came up and so it caught me off guard and I was able to is this it yeah this is the second shot and Man, Jamie, you found exactly...

[1672] Did you see the blood, the puff smoke?

[1673] Show me that again?

[1674] Show me that again, Jamie?

[1675] Back it up?

[1676] To the shot?

[1677] Yeah, this is my second one.

[1678] That one's at like 70 yards.

[1679] That's quarter and away hard, too.

[1680] And then you see the...

[1681] What?

[1682] I mean, obviously he was already dying.

[1683] I was just nervous.

[1684] We were going to lose him.

[1685] Oh, that was a perfect shot.

[1686] I didn't really realize he was dying.

[1687] Yeah, but it's always good to get a second arrow on him if you can.

[1688] Always.

[1689] I was so just.

[1690] but Brad was like he's going to come right there and just perfect wow it was uh it's a wild feeling it was intense it was so crazy yeah it's very intense very hard to keep it together on the shot you know and then when you're eating that animal the satisfaction of it is just amazing it's crazy how good it is it's not gamey no elk is delicious it's so good it's not gamey it's so good it's so good for you too it's so good for you too it's so fill with nutrients and vitamins.

[1691] You feel it when you eat it.

[1692] You're like, grr.

[1693] Feel fucking energized.

[1694] Yeah, because sometimes I'd be eating too many steaks.

[1695] Yeah.

[1696] Like on carnivore, like I ain't a lot of steaks because I love beef.

[1697] Yeah, me too.

[1698] It's really good to like go to some elk every now and then where you know you're not, you know, it's just, it's so lean.

[1699] Mm -hmm.

[1700] You got to get your fats in if you're doing that.

[1701] You know, I usually eat it with bacon or a cooking in beef tallow too.

[1702] well probably usually just the next meal i'll go back to a steak yeah well that's good too and i'll get i'll get plenty of fat from my rib -eyes yeah though that's the best one in terms of like just being able to get your protein and your fat a good marbled rib -eye is the best oh man i'm a rib -eye man yeah me too that's all i order and when you get your body accustomed to eating like that man it just feels so normal it feels like it feels healthy like i never feel like bloated or stuffed or just like exhausted from food just lunch is so easy easy eat it feel great I did it all through hunting camp I just ate steak and eggs that's all I did I cheated one time well so like I do a little bit of fruit and then I'll do like Mount Ops supplements like so like I guess I kind of cheat a little but like I don't do any breads or sugars but I'll do like protein shakes I don't think there's anything wrong with fruit but i don't think fruit is our problem i think the problem is processed foods that's the number one problem what the carnivore does is it's an elimination diet so it takes out almost everything that might be fucking you up it takes out all the sugar all the bread all the pasta all the processed food anything that might have glyphosate on it anything that might be you know irritable to your your body and cause inflammation and then you just feel better and then once your body adapts to eating just protein and fat then you're running off of ketones you're there's many times when you're doing a carnivore diet that you're essentially in ketosis and when i find myself in that state my brain works better i can think better i can form conversations better i'm just like i'm less foggy i feel like i have an extra gear to communicate with i think it was like a year ago i heard you say all that yeah and you because you had said you know you occasionally you might on sushi because you love sushi and you gave that what you just said and then I heard the deal about cholesterol and like half of the people that die of heart attack didn't have high cholesterol and I was like all right I'm doing that yeah and I started in Christmas and then I've been good all year and then on 4th of July I go to I think you you might follow I saw you follow one Hannah Barron yeah she does a noodlein yeah that's crazy every year I go and And Jeff, her dad, convinced me to eat ice cream.

[1703] And I didn't food bright for a week.

[1704] So it had been seven months.

[1705] No sugar, no bullshit.

[1706] And I ate that ice cream.

[1707] And for a week, I kept texting Jeff.

[1708] I was like, this is your fault.

[1709] But, no, that is a crazy watching that 110 -pound girl pull out 75 -pound catfish with her hand.

[1710] Yeah, that noodling thing is nuts.

[1711] Because what if you get a snapping turtle?

[1712] Well, they say that, number one, I don't do it without Jeff over my shoulder.

[1713] There's big biceps keep me safe.

[1714] But they say that, like, snapping turtles and snakes aren't going to be where there's not oxygen.

[1715] Oh.

[1716] So if the hole is completely underwater, then it's like 99 .9 % that you're okay.

[1717] So how do you find a catfish?

[1718] Like, the water's brown.

[1719] So what are you doing?

[1720] You're just sort of feeling around?

[1721] So I've been in Texas, and you kind of just got to, like, either know where the holes are like a rock or you just go down the banks we just go down the banks and reach in and you'll find three and four pounders they don't let you put boxes out in texas but like where we go over there um in alabama and around there they uh they'll be like they'll put a box out what does that mean so like a little smaller than this much of the table there'll be maybe about where your coffee cup is and they'll put a hole in it on the corner Oh to set it up so that the catfish go in there So the female I think the way it normally works Is the female come in lay some eggs And then the male will come in and protect the eggs And there's only a certain time frame that you do it And you go in and you put your arm in And you wave it around like this You'll get shoulder deep in that And immediately they can They sense you they know you're in there the catfish does and they'll go to bite them like a blue the blues are like super aggressive and like you can tell the difference a flat head will kind of bite so that's a box yeah those are some different boxes that guys guys will put out and then you just reach your arm in there and grab the catfish and then we do grab bites your arm and then you'll move to like putting your Hannah should have yeah so that's Jeff on the left that's Jordan she works for me that's not Hannah Jordan she writes bowls and so right there there's a hole and they're reaching in trying to grab a hole of this catfish so what are you feeling around for so you put in there and then you kind of you just feel that fish and eight times out of ten they'll bite your arm I don't know if she gets one caught right here oh it is whoa And you're reaching in there You grab their bottom jaw With your hand And then you run your left hand Into under the gill plate So you don't mess up their gills And you pull them up And are you letting these things go Or you eat them?

[1722] Yeah most of the time Like, because you can catch Like one day we caught 20 So like we'll let them go most of the time Like you might catch one or two And eat them Like that night we I think we kept two And we ate And you keep the males Because the females are obviously obviously going to the yellow cats eat so good so good and how do you cook them cut them up into chunks roll them in flour and then dip them put them in oil deep fry them well first you soak them Jeff does this he'll soak them in red hot for a little bit in a baggie like the chunks of them and then roll them in just flour and then put them in put them in oil and pull them pull them out and then put a little bit of garlic salt on them.

[1723] It's the best fish.

[1724] I don't know.

[1725] That's my, that and elk hunting.

[1726] Those two trips rival each other.

[1727] Really?

[1728] Noodling is as fun as elk hunting.

[1729] They're just so different.

[1730] They're so unique.

[1731] It's like, but you just got to experience it.

[1732] It's such a rush, and then you grab it.

[1733] And when you come out with those big fish, so this is how you cook it yeah that looks like hannah probably yeah they'll cut them up like that and then once you get them in the chunks then he does the red hot he'll put the red hot in that bowl or in a baggie take that little skin off that's on there what's it similar to i've had catfish fried before i've had fried catfish like fillets yeah it's i mean it's it's like a really tender and better tasting Like chicken.

[1734] Really?

[1735] Like, that's the only thing I could think that would be the closest thing to it.

[1736] But, yeah, you can't leave it in the wool too long.

[1737] And you want to, as soon as you cut it up, you need to be cooking it pretty quick.

[1738] It can spoil real fast.

[1739] And the big ones taste good, too?

[1740] Mm -hmm.

[1741] Is there a difference between the big ones and the little ones, how they taste?

[1742] I think there's a, now that I'm thinking about it, there's probably a way to, like, bleed them.

[1743] After, you know, when you're cutting them up at the end, like, where you let that blood.

[1744] I think they usually say that you're supposed to bleed them like right when you first catch them we don't do that could you keep them alive for a while no we don't I mean like it might be like two or three hours before we you know start cutting them up but you don't yeah we don't we don't bleed them right away no so what do you do you do you do you do you do we just throw them in the boat a boat yeah yeah we'll put them in the boat and you can survive just breathe in air for a long fucking time can't think i think i mean it looks like it when their jaws are kind of glimping you know that's the unique thing about catfish and like some carp too right they could just come up and get some actual air yeah jeff and anna would know better than me yeah i don't know they're the extent of my like i let like i said i've gone a few times in texas i get a little nervous about it but um it's such a rush grabbing them and pulling them out of those those holes man I don't know something about it.

[1745] You should try it one day.

[1746] Okay.

[1747] I think you might really enjoy it.

[1748] I bet I probably would.

[1749] I don't think you'll enjoy it more than elk hunting.

[1750] That was maybe a little bit strong of a statement to make.

[1751] I don't think that's possible.

[1752] But it's just a different thing.

[1753] Yeah.

[1754] And it is so fun.

[1755] Well, I love regular fishing.

[1756] Yeah.

[1757] Once you start catching them with your hands, it's kind of like bow hunting compared to like sitting in a deer blind.

[1758] know like it's not that you throw rocks at it but man once you kill something with a bow that's how you want to do it that's how i feel about i'm sure bass fishing you know would still be fun to me i haven't gone since i've gone noodling but pulling them out by your hands it's just like it's like the man stuff tell that to hannah dude no kidding like that girl you throw her out in the wilderness and she will survive yeah plus she's also gorgeous yeah there's not a lot of chicken like that out there.

[1759] But when they are, boy, they could really do some damage on social media.

[1760] You would expect a girl that's that good at pulling catfish out of a hole that, you know, they'd have a dip in and maybe, you know, look a little different than Hannah, but.

[1761] Yeah, for sure.

[1762] Yeah.

[1763] Yeah, it's, that's another weird subculture, southern subculture of noodleers that people would look down on, like, what are you doing?

[1764] Yeah, I can't remember, like, she'll, like, go out that, and then go, hunt squirrels like she does all of it like jeff and like they're country they're gonna be all right their country country boy can survive that's the old hank williams junior song that's it yeah i'll be all right so long as i got access to some cows and horses yeah well it sounds like you do a little bo hunting too now yep i'm in yeah i'm hooked now on that oh yeah that's one thing that when september rolls around there's also something that's so unique about elk hunting because You know, you're sneaking up on them.

[1765] Hopefully they don't even know you're there.

[1766] You're experiencing the screams or the bugles and the rutting, the fights when they smash into each other.

[1767] It's like you feel so fortunate to be just witness to that stuff.

[1768] And the small window, like you said, September, really like even just a few weeks, depending on where you're at, that you have to, like, go after them, you know.

[1769] And I guess that's one of the things about elk hunting.

[1770] like it i have nothing against you know the longbow the rifle but and i've harvested a lot of animals that way but like being able to like i mean camels like one yard away from that one that he shot i know that was very unusual that was he was in the middle of the trail and the elk had no idea he was there until it was like literally i think it was two yards away from so it was six it was from me to you when he releases the arrow bananas bananas you you don't even you use your sights?

[1771] Well, he uses his 50 -yard pin because even though something's very close, what happens is when you are very close to someone, even though it's very close to a target, even though it's counterintuitive, you want to use the more distant pin because it takes a while for your arrow to rise up and hit its apex.

[1772] So when it comes straight out of the bow, if you try to use like a 20 -yard pin, you'll be hitting it very low.

[1773] Really?

[1774] Yeah, you want to use a 50 -yard pin.

[1775] Dang.

[1776] at like two yards.

[1777] I know it sounds counterintuitive.

[1778] Yeah.

[1779] But it's just understanding the arc of the arrow when it leaves the bow.

[1780] So when your arrow leaves a bow, it goes up and drops in.

[1781] And so you have to have that sight up in order for it to go straight at six yards because it hasn't started the climb yet.

[1782] That makes a lot of sense.

[1783] I would have not known that in the moment.

[1784] It's very counterintuitive.

[1785] You would think, oh, my God, I can't even have the 20 -yard pin.

[1786] I got to roll it back even further, but you don't.

[1787] you have to have roll it up higher.

[1788] Yeah.

[1789] It seems, I've never done it before.

[1790] I've never taken a frontal shot like that either, which is also, you have to really understand what you do.

[1791] I mean, he did it perfect.

[1792] You see the arrow.

[1793] He went right through the animal's heart.

[1794] And he has a photo on his Instagram of the animal's heart with the arrow poking out of it.

[1795] It was the perfect shot.

[1796] But that's a deep understanding of not just what pinned to use, but of anatomy, when to pull the trigger, like what to do.

[1797] You have to be very, very experienced to do what he did.

[1798] there even though it seems like oh that was so easy you shot it at two yards i probably wouldn't have shot it i wouldn't have been confident enough and i might not have i mean if i don't have a pin that's set at 50 at that moment what would i do like that's that's the arrow poking out of the heart i mean that's an absolutely perfect shot you can't get any better than that perfect that that animal died in 30 yards which probably took three seconds for it to hit 30 yards 30 yards yeah and it was down three seconds yeah that's insane Yeah, it's a quick death It's a quick, merciful death And again, that animal's not getting that death anywhere I mean, that was in the mountains of Utah They're surrounded by mountain lions We saw some big one I saw a big one there two years ago Who was big A lot of bears out there They're starting to see wolves You know, there's real animals there And every few days There those mountain lions, bears and wolves Are gonna take down an elk Every few days Every few days They wreak havoc on the calves Especially the bears like when the elk are calving the bears come out looking for it they smell it that's what they want well cam's goal was to make more bow hunters and elk specifically and he definitely did it with me yeah he did it with me too that's right yeah i mean he's the reason why bow hunt you got me into it he taught me to shoot and then john dudley gave me lessons and those guys have taken me out deer hunting elk hunting it's um So it's a totally different life.

[1799] You start doing that.

[1800] And then I look, it's like my best escape from the grind of what I do.

[1801] Yeah.

[1802] There's nothing like it because when you're out there, you're not thinking of anything else.

[1803] You can't.

[1804] When you're making a stalk on an elk and you're playing the wind and you got your boots off because you have to tread over leaves quietly.

[1805] Like when you're doing, you're not thinking of anything else.

[1806] It cleans your mind of all your stress, all your things.

[1807] The only stress you have is of doing what you've trained to do in that moment, that very intense moment.

[1808] That's exactly what it was now that you mentioned it.

[1809] Like the only, especially having messed up early in the hunt and not stepped out and got this six by six I should have.

[1810] So then I'm just trying to play catch up.

[1811] I mean, that was the only thing I was worried about.

[1812] And when you're at full draw and you're about to execute a shot, the whole world disappears.

[1813] The whole world goes away.

[1814] There's nothing happening other than those pins on the vitals.

[1815] staying steady executing your shot perfectly making sure there's no movement everything's just fluid and perfect and then watching that arrow fly and hearing that whack it's like there's nothing like it in the world how many have you harvested it's a good question dang well that's enough there's like 15 now i think really yeah yeah dang yeah i saw them four or five out there yeah i got a whole archery range back with all the other bulls in it dang yeah Yeah, you can tell me and my, well, Dusty person, the guy that manages that branch at the sixes is who went with me. And that first, the five by five, my first shot before that one, he, like, comes up.

[1816] And the same thing I would have done, Dusty, like, tries to stop him with, like, a white -tail grunt in the video, like, you know, like, you can kind of, I don't know, it was just funny.

[1817] Like, you can just tell that, you know, we're kind of inexperienced in the elk game.

[1818] But, yeah, I mean, it was our first one, so.

[1819] Well, whitetail grunt, we'll stop them.

[1820] Any noise will stop them.

[1821] It did that day.

[1822] Yeah.

[1823] You need something.

[1824] Right.

[1825] No, I did right then.

[1826] That's a whole different kind of hunting, that whitetail hunting.

[1827] That is a mind game.

[1828] You know, John Dudley and Jock are right now.

[1829] They're in Iowa and freezing their asses off in a tree stand.

[1830] That's a totally different game.

[1831] We just climb up in the tree and you wait all day.

[1832] You wait all day and you wait many days in a row for the, there's one moment where the deer is close enough.

[1833] Yeah.

[1834] The deer walks by you.

[1835] You just have to just hope that the wind is right and hope that you play it right and hope that they don't see movement.

[1836] And that's a crazy game because I don't have the patience for it.

[1837] I've done it before.

[1838] I'll do it again.

[1839] It's still fun, but it's a different mental game.

[1840] I much prefer stalking, the physical difficulty of getting up the mountains, getting close to them, the fact that you need to be in shape to do all that because there's going to be times.

[1841] got to get to that mountain quick you see them coming around a ridge you got to beat them over the side if you don't get there in time you're you're going to miss that opportunity and you see you have to be fit and with the whitetail woods it's totally different you're just sitting there just sitting there the whole thing is just playing that mind game and not going crazy sitting in a tree stand for 10 hours it's crazy they say that I guess that's putting words to like I got back from that elk hunting out and somebody's like well you're going to go white tail hunting now I just, I didn't have a drive to go do it.

[1842] Like, I was more excited about elk hunting next year.

[1843] Yeah.

[1844] But it kind of took away some of the drive of like, which I don't white -tail hunt a lot, a lot anyway.

[1845] But, yeah, I just didn't get his, I'll be excited about stalking maybe some pigs, which we have plenty of in Texas.

[1846] Like, I might go do that because it's so similar.

[1847] But the stock of the elk hunt is so much of it.

[1848] Yeah.

[1849] That's the way people have always done it, I think.

[1850] That's why it's, and it's also the most difficult way, because you really got to move slow.

[1851] You really got to keep it together.

[1852] And then there's a decision.

[1853] Like it turns broadside, now's the time.

[1854] Draw.

[1855] And then it's like, oh, God, it's happening.

[1856] And then you got to keep your shit together while it's happening.

[1857] That's it's exactly it.

[1858] It's so hard.

[1859] It's so hard.

[1860] But, man, that food that you get out of that is so delicious and so nutritious and so worth it.

[1861] And there's so much of it.

[1862] Yeah.

[1863] Yeah.

[1864] I know.

[1865] There are times, there are certain cuts.

[1866] It's hard to compare to beef because they got to put beef in it.

[1867] You know, like the hamburger, you know, if you get the hamburger or the sausage, you know, they're adding fat.

[1868] Yeah, they're adding beef fat.

[1869] Yeah.

[1870] Or pork fat.

[1871] But they're just so different.

[1872] It's hard.

[1873] They look the same.

[1874] You throw them on a plate.

[1875] They're so, they're very similar, but they're just so different.

[1876] Yeah.

[1877] No, it's an awesome way to get food.

[1878] And again, it's an amazing discipline because there's so many layers to it.

[1879] You know, I've been bow hunting.

[1880] now for almost 10 years and it just keeps getting a keep learning you're always learning like if i was like if there's a belt system you know i'm probably like a purple belt in bow hunting you know it's just you know i'm a white belt still a shitload to learn you know i know how to do it now i can pull it off like if i don't have someone telling me what to do i know what to do i can I know to check the wind, I know to move when he's not looking, I know where I'm going to be safe and where I'm not going to be safe, where I'm going to have a shooting lane, where I won't, don't take a shot that's not, this one won't work, this one he's quartering two, you don't have a shot, you got to know when to shoot, when not to shoot, and all that stuff takes a long time to learn, and then you have to be confident in your shooting.

[1881] So you have to put thousands of arrows down range.

[1882] So you know, like 50 yards to me is a chip shot.

[1883] I got a 50 -yard shot at a bowl.

[1884] I'm like, oh, yeah, that's dead.

[1885] Yeah.

[1886] 100%.

[1887] Whereas, like, when I first started, like, 50 yards, a half a fucking football field.

[1888] Holy shit.

[1889] That's so far.

[1890] Yeah.

[1891] But, you know, practice at 100, and 50 looks pretty easy.

[1892] Yeah.

[1893] Yeah.

[1894] They, uh, that's where, I mean, it took me probably four months, you know, before I felt comfortable with anything past 40, anything.

[1895] Yeah.

[1896] And then the second shot, like I said, was like 70, and I didn't have really time to think about it.

[1897] I didn't even have a pin for it.

[1898] I kind of had to stack a pin on top of, you know, and...

[1899] Did a pin gap.

[1900] Yeah.

[1901] But it was the hours that it took to go into it.

[1902] Like, I mean, any...

[1903] I feel like an hour or less, and I wouldn't have been able to harvest that elk.

[1904] Do you have a coach, like an archery coach?

[1905] Someone shows you proper...

[1906] Wayne Indicott.

[1907] Oh, perfect.

[1908] I just...

[1909] Well, I mean, I send him video.

[1910] Like, once a month, I would, you know, like, hey, is my form look?

[1911] Right.

[1912] You know.

[1913] Perfect.

[1914] Like, I just, I'd have nobody.

[1915] Right.

[1916] You know.

[1917] Cam, I'm sure Cam would help me, you know, he's just so busy.

[1918] Yeah.

[1919] You know, and Wayne is, too, but.

[1920] Wayne enjoys teaching people, too.

[1921] Right.

[1922] He's an excellent coach.

[1923] Yeah.

[1924] Yeah.

[1925] I mean, he actually coaches people.

[1926] You know, he's brought people to competitions and such.

[1927] Yeah.

[1928] Yeah.

[1929] No, he's awesome.

[1930] And that bow rack is a great, great fucking place, too.

[1931] Yeah.

[1932] It's like, to have a place like, we have a place like that.

[1933] in Texas archery country, which is just like that.

[1934] It's amazing place.

[1935] It's like having a bow shop is so important.

[1936] Having people that really know how to tune a bow correctly so you really have confidence in your equipment.

[1937] You know, you could go to them and say, something seems off.

[1938] There's something I'm hitting low, you know, something's going on.

[1939] Oh, your strings are stretching.

[1940] Let's fucking recalibrate this.

[1941] And it's so important to have someone who really knows what to do.

[1942] And the bow rack's a great resource for that, as is archery country.

[1943] Yeah, I've heard you talk about it.

[1944] about them there is one place in Weatherford I can't remember what it's called like I like overdrew like I kind of I was trying to really extend and pull back at the same time and the the limbs crunched down and stayed down they didn't explode and then my string was all and I sent a picture to Wayne and he was like send that to me now but there was a bow shop in Weatherford and I just went down and they were like oh please set that down on the table and I was like I don't know here it is But apparently it was like ready to explode, which blows my mind.

[1945] But I think maybe it's from the heat.

[1946] I left it in the back seat of my pickup only for like two or three hours, but it got pretty hot the summer.

[1947] And I think the heat mixed with wind.

[1948] But everybody was like, no, it shouldn't do that.

[1949] But they got it fixed and I killed an elk with it, so it was fine.

[1950] I wonder what was wrong.

[1951] I don't know.

[1952] I'll show you a picture at some point.

[1953] Yeah, show me the picture.

[1954] I'm curious as to what the hell was going on with that thing.

[1955] I had the size of that fucking belt buckle, son.

[1956] Yeah, that's why, look at that.

[1957] Champion this year.

[1958] I run into somebody like, oh, good for you.

[1959] Don't get the joke.

[1960] Yeah, it's such a joke too because that's the most preposterous size belt buckle of all time.

[1961] Exactly.

[1962] No, whenever wear a belt buckle that big.

[1963] This is not a real belt buckle.

[1964] Yeah.

[1965] Like, this is a real belt buckle.

[1966] Right.

[1967] Yeah, that's a normal belt buckle.

[1968] Exactly.

[1969] Yeah.

[1970] That thing's outrageous.

[1971] Oh man But that is a big thing about rodeo guys Let's see what's going on here Oh yeah Oh it's stuck like that That's crazy Isn't that wild Like I just drew back And your string just blew out Yeah And it went off the cable They didn't replace the string What?

[1972] Like they were like Yeah the string's fine And they put it back And then I kept shooting for two more months And shot an hour So what made it uh It came If you look at the top It's off the cams The strings off the cams I wonder how that happened Well whenever it folded like that The string was just so loose Yeah well the string is off If you look at the top cam The string is not on the cam anymore That's why it's so loose Oh got you See how it's not connected anymore That round thing is the cam Yes that's the cam That's the mechanical advantage As you're pulling back these Powerful limbs It rolls over these cams And your string was off the cam So as it rolled over Your string doesn't have any resistance at the top so it's just like it's got an extra like half a foot foot to pull back and then it's just loose so it's not connected anymore yeah yeah not good it just doesn't make sense that it rolled over like that i don't know it must have fallen off something must have pushed it somehow or another and then it was as you drew back instead of rolling through that groove it went off the side and then you had nothing no resistance at all yeah yeah because that's just flopping around it doesn't look like it would explode but it definitely doesn't look good.

[1973] It would explode.

[1974] When they explode is when the limbs break.

[1975] That can happen, but it's super, super rare.

[1976] Especially if you get a modern bow, like a Hoyt, like they dry fire those like hundreds of times to make sure that those limbs are fucking bulletproof.

[1977] Right.

[1978] By the time you get a Hoyt bow, that motherfucker sort it out.

[1979] Right.

[1980] You know, they got, so that is a cam issue.

[1981] Something happened with that cam with a string.

[1982] either the cam got loose or moved or the string got pushed off the side.

[1983] I've never seen that before.

[1984] Yeah.

[1985] It made me feel like an elementary school kid.

[1986] Like I was just like, I'd done this thing, and I was like, son of a gun, and I had no idea.

[1987] Like, I don't know any of the terminology that you had been saying.

[1988] Like, Cam handed me the bow in February, and I shot it a bunch, and then I message Wayne every now and then.

[1989] and then I would post a video and nine people would be like give me criticisms and I'd be like shut the hell up but then I would kind of do it you know I'd be like okay but I'm gonna remember that and so I just slowly and then stuff like that would happen and I just thought like okay if that if my target is at 40 yards I can hit it so if I can control my emotions like I know how to hit that at 40 50 60 yards if I can control my emotions in the moment, which hopefully rodeo had helped me do.

[1990] Yeah, I'm sure it did.

[1991] Then maybe that I'll be successful.

[1992] And so I was super confident in the back of my head just with my ability to do it.

[1993] I was also not naive about my inexperience, but if I could get drawn on one with a good target, I felt confident I could maybe kill him.

[1994] Well, I guarantee you that the nerves that someone must face when you're about to ride a bull or a bucking bronco is probably as extreme as anything you'll have.

[1995] ever face in anything.

[1996] Mm -hmm.

[1997] So that would, without a doubt, help you with bow hunting.

[1998] I was more nervous to come on here than, I mean, like, I could, I could now dang sure be more nervous, like, to do stand -up.

[1999] But this is easy.

[2000] Look how easy it's been.

[2001] For sure.

[2002] It's been fun.

[2003] I guess there's just that, not that my, what I have to say is going to change anybody, but just, like, having listened to, like, I mean, there's some of your podcasts that just, like, me personally have changed my life, you know.

[2004] Taste my life, too.

[2005] You know me park.

[2006] Is it that I say it right?

[2007] Yeah.

[2008] Yeah, Yonmi Park.

[2009] Yeah.

[2010] I still think about her every day.

[2011] You want to talk about diversity, man. That lady's life.

[2012] That is an insane story.

[2013] Escaping North Korea at 13 years old.

[2014] I mean, horrific stories.

[2015] Crazy.

[2016] Yeah.

[2017] People like that have no patience for bullshit.

[2018] Exactly.

[2019] Like, I don't want to hear your victim nonsense.

[2020] Like, you know what I went through?

[2021] Shit.

[2022] She went through everything.

[2023] Why are you fat?

[2024] Just stop eating.

[2025] Yeah, so simple.

[2026] It's so simple.

[2027] Just stop eating.

[2028] Why are you fat?

[2029] People that have come from really hard places, they have no patience for nonsense.

[2030] And they see it coming and like, oh my God, like you guys don't even know what you're bringing on to the world with all this crazy communism talk.

[2031] You don't even know what you're asking for.

[2032] What you're asking for is the horrors of human civilization in its worst forms.

[2033] Yeah.

[2034] It's totalitarian dictatorships that dictate exactly what you could do, exactly what you could say, exactly what you can eat, how you work, what you say, how you behave, what you can dress like.

[2035] That's North Korea.

[2036] Yes, she said that's hell.

[2037] The only thing they were free to do is breathe.

[2038] Yeah.

[2039] They didn't even have a word for I. They don't have an eye.

[2040] You know, like, I mean, like it was your, you were sitting in front of her.

[2041] You know that.

[2042] I think this.

[2043] Yeah, they don't have that.

[2044] Yeah, it's we.

[2045] Yeah, that's North Korea.

[2046] She's who, it's just like people that, should we make communism a thing?

[2047] All right, well, let's ask Park.

[2048] Right.

[2049] And put her on a pedestal and say, tell us.

[2050] And then she would tell us.

[2051] Well, look at the people that come from Cuba.

[2052] They don't want to hear no bullshit.

[2053] Yeah.

[2054] No nonsense.

[2055] No nonsense.

[2056] Yeah.

[2057] Do you see the Biden administration is shipping people back to Venezuela?

[2058] Dang.

[2059] And came to America's because they know they're going to vote Republican.

[2060] They don't want to have nothing to do with socialism.

[2061] People that escape that shit in Venezuela, they are the ones that they don't want.

[2062] So they're actively working with the Venezuelan government to ship back people to Venezuela.

[2063] I mean, that's what Park is.

[2064] She's like, I didn't mean to, but apparently I'm on the right.

[2065] Right, exactly.

[2066] You know, like I'm on the right side of the aisle now.

[2067] Yeah.

[2068] She talks about that.

[2069] Like, the left hates me for some reason.

[2070] Well, for some reason, they just don't want to look at her suffering and her story because it interferes with their narrative.

[2071] Yeah.

[2072] We just haven't done communism right yet.

[2073] And no one's done it correctly.

[2074] What they don't understand is the only way to enforce communism is force.

[2075] That's the only way to get people to give up their property and to fall in line and to do everything for the greater good of everyone else.

[2076] And it's usually one group of people have mass control of the resources and wealth, which is what communist dictatorships are.

[2077] And everybody else suffers.

[2078] The idea of equality is not equality.

[2079] It never works that way.

[2080] that's not human nature, you know, if what you want is like genuine charity from people, what you want is people that contribute to the community and they think about it, and they do it voluntarily, and it's, it's, it's a reinforced by the culture.

[2081] That's what you want.

[2082] What you don't want is the government telling you that you have to give up most of your money for the greater good of everybody else, because then they just take it.

[2083] And that's, that's how it worked in North Korea, and that's how it would work everywhere.

[2084] The only way to enforce, that kind of life because it's so unnatural for people to not exist in a true like what what people enjoy in life is succeeding the difficult struggle of trying to do something that's hard to do and finding your own path and through that freedom becoming successful a meritocracy a real meritocracy where everybody has a chance that's what we should strive for in this country meritocracies not victim mentality and certainly not communism.

[2085] It's a terrible idea.

[2086] And it seems like a good idea because why does so many have so much and others have so little?

[2087] Well, the problem is the culture is not encouraging the people that have so much to realize that they're so fortunate and to help out in some way.

[2088] That would be better.

[2089] What's the worst thing is taking from those people and giving it to people who are doing nothing.

[2090] Then you're creating this entitlement class.

[2091] You're creating this group of people that think that somehow and other people that are successful or evil if other people aren't successful and it's just a way to pit us against each other and that's not what we need in this country what we need is people coming together and realizing that we're all one big community and trying to do something for the greater good of the whole community and encouraging people to do better in their own lives encouraging people and giving them the opportunity to work hard and feel that satisfaction of accomplishing something that's what we should all be striving for so somehow I know that that's right way which is kind of crazy what I was about to say like pretty much everybody like where I come from is like fist pumping they agree with everything you just said like selfishly for me like as like you know like not selfishly I mean everybody's wondering it but just like what do I do like even just me specifically like with you know I've got a platform where comedy is my main thing like Like, and that's where I'm, like, there's so many things I want to talk about, you know, but, like, I think people come to me for an escape.

[2092] Right.

[2093] But so two different questions, like, what do I do on that level, but then also what do I do just on the human level of, like, making that change or, like, how do you talk about that because it's so divisive to people?

[2094] I think you live your life as an excellent example.

[2095] That's what you do.

[2096] You live your life.

[2097] And people learn from watching you.

[2098] They learn from, I want to live my life the way that guy's living.

[2099] That guy seems fulfilled and happy and he works hard.

[2100] And it's obviously very satisfying for him.

[2101] I want to feel that too.

[2102] And through example, you live your life and you help people through the example of the way you live your life.

[2103] That's real, man. And that's what I get out of very inspirational people.

[2104] Like we talked about Goggins and Cam and Jocko and there's a lot of people like that out there that inspire me. and Jordan Peterson and Douglas Murray, brilliant people who through their own hard work and dedication have carved out this life and then through their words and their brilliance inspire other people to learn and grow.

[2105] Yeah.

[2106] That's what's up, Dale Brisby.

[2107] What if they knock on your door?

[2108] Who's they?

[2109] I mean, like you're in Texas where they come and take it flag.

[2110] Oh, you mean what if the government comes and knocks on your door?

[2111] The problem is in this country, people are very independent and we're very well armed, and we're also not interested in being controlled by the government.

[2112] And the problem with the government is it's filled with people.

[2113] And most of those people that you would have to have control people are regular people.

[2114] It's easy to convince some to turn arms against their brothers and sisters because the government tells you to do it.

[2115] There are people that would fall in line with that.

[2116] But I think they'd have a hard time convincing most people.

[2117] especially most people that are genuinely patriotic that sign up for the military and for law enforcement, they're not interested in doing that.

[2118] They're not interested in forcing the will of these people that are tyrants.

[2119] Yeah.

[2120] It'd be harder to pull off in America than it would a lot of places.

[2121] I think America has instilled in us this love of freedom.

[2122] And some people, that's one of the reasons why they try to demonize that, because that's very difficult to control people that have this reinforced love of freedom.

[2123] I agree with that.

[2124] And to convince you that it's for the greater good of everyone, if we take away your guns, the greater good of everyone, if you fall in line, for the greater good of everyone, if you pay 90 % in taxes, with greater good of everyone, if you do this, if you do that.

[2125] And ultimately, it's not.

[2126] It's for the greater good of the people that are in control.

[2127] And it seems like every time they make those decisions, the world just gets worse.

[2128] It doesn't get more equitable and fair.

[2129] It gets fucking worse.

[2130] It gets worse.

[2131] The economy gets worse.

[2132] The people struggle more.

[2133] It's not good.

[2134] What we need to do is figure out a way to give me people more.

[2135] more opportunity to succeed, not to just give people things.

[2136] And that's human nature.

[2137] That's what makes people happy people.

[2138] What makes people happy people is teaching them how to live their life and allowing them to live their life in a way that gives them the maximum amount of freedom and the most amount of satisfaction.

[2139] I guess I asked that, like I said, like my dad died 10 years ago, like two months before my first video.

[2140] which was funny because he was the reason that it started, you know, but, and then there was just like this gap where I was like, oh, man, I got to, like, I've got to become a man now.

[2141] And it means like I've got to make decisions that are going to affect me and there'll be people looking to me like, well, how are you going to decide on this?

[2142] And I get to set the tone.

[2143] And there's certain things, you know, like my faith that are easy for me to make decisions on, on like what I would do in certain instances.

[2144] But then there's other things, like, as an American, and that's what makes me ask that question, just like, how far do you take this or that?

[2145] And that's where, like, listening to you talk about it on this podcast, listening to Marcus talk about it.

[2146] You know, like, I've had to look outside of myself to make decisions on what kind of man, what kind of American I'm going to be.

[2147] And that's what made me ask that question.

[2148] Like, I guess, you know, I just kind of look to my dad on a lot of things and, like, default to him and then him dying was just it tested everything had to go back and like not that i thought he was wrong but just like start over in a way and just like reevaluate and got to figure it out for yourself figured out for myself because if i'm willing to die for it then i better be pretty damn sure right you know right and um i don't know sometimes i think you know people might say that and they're not willing to die for it that's just sexy and fun and they jump on a bandwagon but like I'm kind of more like man I better be careful because if I do go down this route I'm gonna that's what I mean that's what I think I mean that's what I hope I mean let's hope that never is a problem but yeah I don't think that would be a problem I don't think it's going to be a problem in this country I hope not but my real fear is that if a tragedy happens if some sort of a attack happens some sort of a horrific event happens then they start clamp it down on people because that's what they did right after 9 -11 they passed the Patriot Act and the NDAA, that's where things get sketchy.

[2149] When things get sketchy is they take advantage of something that happens and then they clamp down on people more in order to protect you and keep you safe.

[2150] You've got to give away some freedom.

[2151] And that is just not the way to go.

[2152] It took a long time to create something like America.

[2153] And we got to keep this thing going.

[2154] Well, I mean, there's some of those things that happen where it's strengthened.

[2155] And, I mean, like, like, for instance, COVID, like, I don't know in California, there were, like, lines around the block for people trying to defend them, you know, get a gun so they could defend themselves.

[2156] Well, that was just fear.

[2157] That was the George Floyd riots.

[2158] Because the, yeah, because they defund the police movement, and they realize that cops aren't showing up anymore, and people's houses are getting broken into.

[2159] And that's when people were lying around the block for guns.

[2160] And I had, like, a lot of my liberal friends asking me if they could use one of my guns.

[2161] I'm like, that's not how it works.

[2162] Yeah.

[2163] Like, you got to go get a gun.

[2164] You got to go get one.

[2165] You got to learn how to shoot it.

[2166] Right.

[2167] You don't know how to shoot a gun.

[2168] I'm not going to give you a gun.

[2169] You don't know how to shoot.

[2170] Yeah.

[2171] Change teams.

[2172] Yeah.

[2173] You should go to change teams.

[2174] Change teams.

[2175] Change the team, second amendment.

[2176] Yeah.

[2177] You know, and when you really need that, when you really need to protect your family, that's when you realize why the Second Amendment exists, you know, it's very, it's when you don't need it and it's not a concern in your life, and it's never something that you've had a deal with.

[2178] You could easily brush aside the idea that that's important, the ability to defend yourself.

[2179] But it's very important.

[2180] It's just like Woodrow F. Call said in Lonesome Dove, it's better to have it not need it than need it and not have it.

[2181] Yes, sir.

[2182] And it's like that jujitsu for me, that one in 10 year, one in 20 year, maybe never happened at all.

[2183] Like, it's better to have it not need it than need it not have it because it's about a 20 minute before the cops can get to my house it's like 20 minutes well in these days like you know in a lot of cities where they've defunded the police that's generous it might be an hour even violent encounters you can't you can't you can't wait 20 minutes no you can't it's it's just like the people that don't agree with ranching but they still want that meat to be in the grocery store like that's that's the level of delusion like convenient thinking yeah it's just i'm just not going to need a gun like but i've know a lot of people, though, in L .A. that have experienced violent encounters that have completely switched sides.

[2184] I have friends that were super anti -gun.

[2185] Now they have multiple guns.

[2186] I'm curious.

[2187] I don't know where she stood before.

[2188] Sandra Bullock.

[2189] I didn't mean to interrupt you.

[2190] Sandra Bullock.

[2191] Have you heard that 911 call?

[2192] No. She's in the house on the phone with 911.

[2193] And somebody's in her house.

[2194] Is that out here?

[2195] Where was that?

[2196] I don't know.

[2197] Like, I've heard it online.

[2198] Am I wrong, Jamie?

[2199] Is that recent?

[2200] I'm pretty sure that that that that it's Sandra Bullock on the phone with now one one one 2018 like I don't like I said I don't know scary shit 2014 is what happened I'm sorry okay scary shit man but but somebody like that like it's pretty tested like you don't have time you're on the phone with the police right you know it's and it's either you or them yeah and that's like very basic you know but anyway yeah anyway That's a cowboy logic.

[2201] That's another thing that I think a lot of my people agree with.

[2202] Yeah.

[2203] Well, it's sound logic.

[2204] Yeah.

[2205] Be prepared.

[2206] It's better to be prepared than not be prepared.

[2207] Yeah.

[2208] Yeah, for sure.

[2209] Well, Dale Brisby, it's been fun talking you, brother.

[2210] I appreciate you coming on.

[2211] I enjoyed it.

[2212] Tell everybody how they can watch your videos and see all that shit online.

[2213] Oh, man, anywhere.

[2214] YouTube, Instagram.

[2215] Dale Brisby Bullrider on YouTube.

[2216] And just Dale Brisbane.

[2217] on everything else.

[2218] Rodeo time .com.

[2219] There you go.

[2220] Thanks for coming in, brother.

[2221] Appreciate you.

[2222] Yeah.

[2223] It's been a pleasure.

[2224] Thanks for the hat, too.

[2225] Yes, sir.

[2226] Thanks very much.

[2227] You bet.

[2228] All right.

[2229] Bye, everybody.