#1168 - Mareko Maumasi

[0] four, three, two, one, boom, the lost of knife making.

[1] It's still alive.

[2] How are you, man?

[3] I'm doing good, man. Thanks for coming down here.

[4] I appreciate it.

[5] It's fucking huge.

[6] I really appreciate you having me down.

[7] Hey, listen, man, you've made two awesome, well, four awesome knives for me, but this one is one I use all the time that I've posted on Instagram that people freak out, as we were talking about before the podcast.

[8] It actually has meteor in it.

[9] Yeah.

[10] Meteorite.

[11] Meteorite.

[12] one, meteorite's a little one.

[13] Is that the idea?

[14] Do you know?

[15] I guess.

[16] You should know.

[17] You're the knife maker.

[18] So I didn't actually make, so I made the knife, I forged the knife, but the steel is a very special kind of steel that very few people can actually manufacture on a small scale in the world.

[19] And that was made by my shopmate, Peters Horsberg.

[20] And so the meteorite is kind of a small element in the whole matrix, because most meteorite is all nickel or all iron or something like that and this one particularly is a lot of nickel and some cobalt and if you're going to make an actual usable steel out of it you can't really use a whole lot of it in the overall mixture so is there any meteorites that are made out of all iron yeah definitely you just have to find them you just got to find the ones yeah and there are impact sites all over the world like they're hitting the world all the time How does it, is it, can you just take them?

[21] Like when they land, is it yours if you find it?

[22] Yep.

[23] Like, you don't have to report it to NASA or anything, right?

[24] No. Hey, bro.

[25] Found some space junk.

[26] Most of them are so small that they, by the time they would hit the actual Earth's surface, they've completely disintegrated or burned up.

[27] So it's the really massive ones.

[28] And this was part of an impact, I think, in South America.

[29] Oh, wow.

[30] I can't remember where exactly.

[31] It's just crazy to think that there's a piece of space in there.

[32] Fuck yeah, dude.

[33] This is a dope pattern.

[34] I'm really into crafts from shit, man. I always have been.

[35] I love handmade pool cues and this desk, which is a handmade desk.

[36] I feel like it's one of the things that I really appreciate in this modern digital world.

[37] And I also feel like, unfortunately, it may be one of the things that's slipping away.

[38] It definitely is slipping away.

[39] I think with technology has been great for us in a lot of different ways.

[40] Like we couldn't be fucking talking into a piece of metal and it's recorded on a computer.

[41] It's going through a wire, flying to the air.

[42] Like it does a lot of great things.

[43] But in doing all those great things, it actually has taken us away from really creating and working with our hands.

[44] And so, like, you know, even this whole like farm to table movement or people even grow in their own vegetables, you've got your own chickens they're laying eggs for you like knowing where this stuff is coming from having like firsthand contact with that um just having that relationship in general with it brings so much more value to the overall experience of eating those eggs or using that knife or sitting at this fucking table right here and it seems like a fairly recent movement in that direction right like it feels like things got so digital that people like whoa whoa whoa with the facebook and the fucking Instagram.

[45] I want a wood table.

[46] I want to saw this bitch myself.

[47] Yeah.

[48] Put your hands on it.

[49] Yeah, I don't want it to be plastic.

[50] Yeah.

[51] I want real stuff.

[52] And there's something about handmade things, whether it's a handmade pair of boots or handmade bag.

[53] It's like there's something about things that are made by hand that people get like a deep appreciation of from.

[54] For sure.

[55] Well, and I think it also kind of goes back like I was saying, like it's technology is advanced.

[56] We've kind of grown away from these kind of what's considered like blue collar work and craftsmanship kind of work.

[57] But I think people really are driven by a sense of achievement.

[58] And when you're doing data adentry that literally millions of people, fucking monkeys, can be trained to do not to diminish anything that anybody's doing, but literally like to be able to go into a craft and to have a hands -on experience is very, very, very, very different.

[59] and that sense of achievement, even when somebody comes out of something and maybe I taught a class on how I make a knife and it looks like a fucking turd, they're going to think it looks like the most beautiful fucking knife they've ever seen in their life because their hands and their creativity.

[60] They've touched it.

[61] Their energy, their sweat and probably some of their blood is put into creating that thing and that brings that much more value to it.

[62] Yeah, I think that's an issue with people today that have jobs that they don't feel are very fulfilling is that there's no real thing that they're creating at the end.

[63] Whereas, like, if you make a table, and at the end, when you're putting the final sanding on and the final, you know, a layer of stain, and you're looking at it, like, I fucking made this.

[64] Like, this is a real thing that I can touch that I made.

[65] Just like human beings in our current form, we have a, there's a deep connection to making things, physical things.

[66] Absolutely.

[67] And an appreciation for things that people have made, whether it's a rifle that somebody made or a knife or.

[68] or a hammer that someone's made.

[69] There's something about that that we just have a real appreciation for.

[70] If you can buy a knife from the store that's made in a shot...

[71] I mean, it'll work, you know, some knife that's made in some mass manufacturing process.

[72] It'll work, and it's fine.

[73] I mean, you'll appreciate it.

[74] But you won't appreciate it like, I appreciate this thing.

[75] Like, every time I take this out, I'm like super careful with it.

[76] And, you know, and then the handle, the handle's made out of...

[77] This is a moose antler and elk antler, right?

[78] The elk at the top and the moose at the bottom.

[79] And I saw your conversation or listened to your conversation with Guy Ritchie, and you brought up that there was, I think actually Jamie pulled it up and it was like, bog oak.

[80] And Guy Ritchie was like, bog oak.

[81] What bog?

[82] Are there American bogs?

[83] I don't know if there are any American bogs.

[84] It was from a bog in Russia and it was carbon dated to 5 ,400 years old.

[85] So essentially it's been sunken in a bog just sitting there.

[86] That's the other knife that you made for me. Yeah.

[87] That has a handle of it.

[88] Bog oak.

[89] How is one to get a hold of a bog oak?

[90] So people are raising logs.

[91] Like there actually was a show, I think it was on Discovery Channel or history, where people were, their job was raising logs out of the swamps down in Louisiana and the south and making use of that wood for table projects and craft projects like this.

[92] So that, but that's happening all over the world.

[93] And some of that stuff are these ancient logs that, you know, it's the right in conditions where the log, the tree falls over.

[94] It just sits there and steeps.

[95] You know, that's a big thing for pool queue shafts, lakewood shafts.

[96] They like to take these logs out of the bottom like Lake Michigan or something.

[97] Right.

[98] And then they dry it all out, and then they make shafts out of it.

[99] And there's something about it being in the bottom of the water for so long.

[100] It does something to the way they feel.

[101] What do you got there, Jamie?

[102] That's ancient bogwood artisan dice.

[103] Oh.

[104] Some dungeons and dragons.

[105] Yeah, that's some nerd shit right there.

[106] It's like super polished up, though.

[107] It looks cool.

[108] Are those Dungeons and Dragon nerds dice?

[109] Sort of, yeah.

[110] Nerd dice?

[111] Multi -sided, yeah.

[112] Like 16 sides on that.

[113] Now, what would, that was only for a game, right?

[114] You wouldn't play dice dice.

[115] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[116] They use it for all kinds of different.

[117] They're actually like value holders for the most part.

[118] Value holders?

[119] What do you mean?

[120] Yeah, so like 16.

[121] So they count down with the dice and so they have an actual placeholder sitting there that says 16, 15, 20, whatever.

[122] Oh, you understand Dungeons and Dragons.

[123] You might be a dork.

[124] Sometimes I'm a dork.

[125] My brother -in -law is Magic the Gathering.

[126] Oh, that's super dork.

[127] That's for people that get kicked out of the Dungeons and Dragons.

[128] It's just a different iteration of chess, really.

[129] I mean, it's just all strategies.

[130] Oh, it's definitely not that.

[131] What is this?

[132] Oh, that's a beautiful handle.

[133] Oh, bearing made.

[134] That kid's in Montana.

[135] Really good guy.

[136] He's a nice kid.

[137] I met him a couple years ago.

[138] In Eugene, actually.

[139] They do a knife show there.

[140] So that image that you just showed, Jamie, that's bog oak.

[141] That's some other, like, big chunks of it that they pulled out.

[142] Wow.

[143] So there must be a community of you people, these knife -making people.

[144] Yeah, there are quite a few people who have started getting into the knife -making.

[145] The world.

[146] The world of knife -making.

[147] Really, the resurgence of kind of hand -crafted, hand -forged knives kind of started back in the 70s.

[148] Um, and it was, it stemmed off from, um, I think it was a custom knife making association or, uh, yeah, custom knife makers association.

[149] And then it stemmed off to the ABS, which is the American Bladesmith Society.

[150] And that was all about the forged blade and kind of the mission to retain that knowledge and that history and, and the skills that go into actually taking a piece of metal and forging a blade out of it.

[151] Like your blades, they were forged to shape.

[152] They were, uh, one approach is to just take a bar steel, trace out a line, cut that out.

[153] It's a totally valid way of doing it.

[154] Um, forging, the forging aspect, uh, especially if somebody doesn't actually know what they're doing.

[155] They're just like heating up a piece of steel.

[156] They don't know how fucking hot it is getting.

[157] They don't know how, when to stop hitting it.

[158] They may be hitting it too cold.

[159] They may be overheating it and hitting it while it's way too hot.

[160] Um, they could really actually do detrimental.

[161] damage to the to the material and turn out a piece of shit right um so the forged aspect really just brings kind of an aesthetic and kind of a depth of story to help bring kind of more to that product well it's another level right yeah it's just another layer of it yeah it's not just handcrafting something from a you know just a piece of metal that you bought and you put all the pieces together and polish it down and sanded it when did you get into this so i have It's a kind of a funny story.

[162] So I got into this back in 2008 is when I met Bob Kramer.

[163] At the time, I was working in a restaurant, actually in my hometown of Olympia.

[164] And I was working in a restaurant.

[165] I was moonlighting as an assistant salsa dancing instructor and doing like community performances and shit like that.

[166] And I was 24, and I didn't know what the hell I was doing with myself.

[167] And I didn't really have much of a direction in my life.

[168] I was terrible at school.

[169] You know, I had maybe 40 credits towards an A -A, but I don't even have an actual certification or a degree or any kind.

[170] So, anyways, I was sharing this with my dance partner, and she had just started working for this guy, who was a knife maker.

[171] And she's like, oh, you should meet him.

[172] He's really interesting.

[173] You know, you kind of feel like you lost.

[174] He's been all over the world.

[175] He's even, like, he was even a clown at one point.

[176] This is Bob Kramer?

[177] Yeah.

[178] He used to be a clown?

[179] He was a clown, I think, for a year for Ringling Barnum and Bailey.

[180] And from what I understand, it was a great experience, and he loved it.

[181] But anyways, she's like, you know, I think you guys would hit it off.

[182] I think, you know, maybe he could help bestow some wisdom as to where you're at and where he was at and maybe what kind of choices or options you have ahead of you.

[183] And so I met up with him at the brew pub that I was actually working at and got some beers, got some fish and chips, sitting bullshitting and it ended up turning into a job opportunity neither of us really went into it knowing that that's the direction it was going to go but uh he was anticipating he had an article coming out in the new yorker like in a month um that was going to really like blow his shit up and he had had a couple big articles like in savour magazine and he was featured in uh cookstil illustrated at one point and each time like there's a huge influx and so i think in part of patient for that.

[184] He was like, look, you seem like a nice guy.

[185] You don't really seem to have a direction.

[186] Maybe we could work something out.

[187] I can't make any promises to you that I have full -time work for you.

[188] So he just took you on as an apprentice.

[189] Essentially.

[190] I saw a video with him with Anthony Bourdain.

[191] That's how I found out about him.

[192] He was making a knife with meteors.

[193] Right.

[194] With a piece of meteorite in it as well.

[195] Same kind of thing.

[196] And I remember thinking like, wow, how crazy is this?

[197] This guy's hammering this thing together.

[198] and put into that, that was like one of the ways that I got interested in custom knife making.

[199] Sure.

[200] And man, I'd always had knives, you know, like pocket knives, you know, the, and I always like kind of thought they were cool and enjoyed them.

[201] Yeah.

[202] But until I watched that video, I didn't realize that there was a lot of people out there.

[203] There it is.

[204] Yeah.

[205] Him and Anthony.

[206] I didn't realize there was a lot of people that are out there doing this from scratch.

[207] And then, you know, then I was like, oh, I got to get a knife.

[208] And then I saw your people.

[209] page on Instagram and I remember thinking wow this guy does some wild shit and I don't remember how you and I got to chatting I don't remember I just remember seeing your stuff on Instagram You reached out to me on email and I was like Joe Rogan I was like Was it an email or was it Instagram message?

[210] Oh actually I'm not sure I think it was an email email either way probably from your website yeah yeah yeah oh you had seen my email in one of a previous conversation but I was like this can't be like the Joe Rogan and then as the conversation continued on and I was like because also your picture for the emails like this goofy picture of you doing like kissy face or something like that's fucking hilarious and sounds like me and I was like holy shit I think this actually might be Joe Rogan this is crazy and but it's doing this craft and doing this work and and finding and connecting with people who have an appreciation for the actual like the actual work that goes into it and appreciating that value has been, you know, like even five years ago when I first started under my own brand, there's no way I would have thought I'd be sitting here hanging out with you guys.

[211] It's kind of been a crazy ride for me. That's a crazy ride for me too, man. All of it is.

[212] Life's crazy.

[213] I believe that.

[214] But like I said, I've always had a deep appreciation for artisans, you know, for art. What I think this, I think your knife making is art. I mean, I really do.

[215] Like, look at this.

[216] Jamie's pulled up an image from your website that shows this incredible blade design.

[217] Now, this is what I've always wanted to know.

[218] Like, is that Damascus steel?

[219] Is that what that is?

[220] That is Damascus.

[221] And just a quick note, this is actually a post that I did to celebrate another maker.

[222] His name's Julian.

[223] You can actually kind of see it there on the right margin.

[224] Now, the...

[225] But he's a South American kid.

[226] He's like 20.

[227] the blades that you made that you have here today that you had that you're bringing with you for an auction those the patterns on those things are fucking insane how do you do that like how do you make these because it's not just steel for people that are just listening to this like that one is a great example right i would really love um for people who are just listening to just please go uh spell out go spread out go back to the uh page jamie so i could see the headline It's stuck?

[228] What do you mean?

[229] You can't shrink it?

[230] I got zoomed in and it won't zoom out.

[231] Hold on.

[232] What happened?

[233] I don't know.

[234] I did it with the touch pad.

[235] What did you?

[236] Oh, the touch pad.

[237] These, goddamn.

[238] We got an old -ass laptop there.

[239] M -A -U -M -A -S fire arts.

[240] M -A -S -I.

[241] S -I.

[242] M -A -U -M -A -S -I fire arts.

[243] Malmassie Fire Arts.

[244] Don't get stuck again.

[245] M -A -U.

[246] Oh, it's stuck.

[247] M -A -U -M -A -S -I Fire Arts If you go there, that's his page You'll be able to check it out And order books are closed You're fucked Yeah, I'm at three years right now And I just kind of like I had to shut it down Because it's kind of at an overwhelming point Yeah Like it's a good problem But it's overwhelming Because it's a fucking woman show Yeah Yeah And balancing Doing the work with now all the, you know, like the marketing and branding, maintaining relevance through social media and taking the time to create content on top of all of that.

[248] I mean, especially when you're first starting to do it, the content part side of it, it's fucking time consuming.

[249] That's a crazy, like, long waiting list, man, three years.

[250] Yeah.

[251] And realistic, it's actually, at least in the knife making world, it's not uncommon for people to actually wait longer than that.

[252] It's the same thing with the pool queue world.

[253] Right?

[254] It's the exact same thing.

[255] A lot of these famous pool queue manufacturers like Southwest or Sugar Tree, and they have 10 -year waiting lists.

[256] And it's just because they do it right.

[257] It takes a long time.

[258] Everything's done by hand.

[259] They're highly sought after.

[260] And because of that, like, you could buy a pool queue from, you know, a company that makes them through, you know, computerized process.

[261] And they're fine.

[262] They play really good.

[263] Just like a knife that you'd buy from a store that's, you know, made by a machine.

[264] it's all done mass manufacturing, it'll cut your meat.

[265] It works great.

[266] Yeah, it gets the job done, but it doesn't feel the same.

[267] It's not the same thing.

[268] It doesn't feel.

[269] It's crazy.

[270] Like, you can feel the difference between a handmade thing and a machine -made thing.

[271] Yeah.

[272] It's bizarre.

[273] It trips me out every time.

[274] Well, there's a little something that people leave in things that they make.

[275] I mean, there really is.

[276] I mean, I think it exists in everything that people make, whether it's clothing or jewelry or furniture or anything.

[277] I mean, I think there's a little something that people leave in a thing that they make.

[278] There's something you talk about sometimes about how animals inherit, like, pass down through genes, like, watch out for this plant or watch out for these predators and shit.

[279] Like, passing something on like that kind of in a way, like, where I'm toiling over something like that for, you know, 40 dedicated solid fucking hours.

[280] Right.

[281] Making sure it's as perfect as I possibly can make that thing at this point in my life.

[282] with the skills I got I think there's something to that I mean even if it's just a thought even if you just know when you touch it like if I touch this knife I know that you made this you know when I'm cutting something with this and I'm cooking I know that you made this so maybe it's just even if it's only in my head it's still it just feels different you know and I don't know I mean there's there's Rupert Cheldrick who's a I don't know what exactly kind of scientist he is, but he has this bizarre theory, and he's a really interesting guy to talk to, so I would never discount it.

[283] He thinks that everything has memory.

[284] He thinks he just can't access that memory, but he thinks there's things that have memories, and he thinks that our idea that memory is something that only animals and humans possess is just, it's probably not true, and that that's probably one of the reasons why people don't want to buy a house where someone was murdered.

[285] Right.

[286] You know what I mean?

[287] Like the idea is that a haunted house, even if it's not really a ghost, like maybe that home has memories.

[288] Yeah.

[289] You know, maybe, like my dad went to Gettysburg and he's not woo -woo at all.

[290] He's like as fucking straight -laced across the board, no bullshit as it gets.

[291] And he said, man, you could feel sadness there.

[292] He goes, you just think of how many thousands of people died at Gettysburg.

[293] And he said, when you're there, it just feels sad.

[294] Like you feel death there.

[295] I don't know if that's real or if it's maybe the knowledge that you have that there was a war there.

[296] I mean, I don't know.

[297] I used to do the thing where I would walk through cemeteries.

[298] Just interested, like, looking at people's names and, like, when did they live and what do people have to say about them or what, you know, what's left behind.

[299] And just walking through cemeteries, like sometimes I would even do it on Halloween to try to trip my ass out.

[300] And this definitely feels weird in there when you do that.

[301] I used to run through cemeteries.

[302] I used to run through them because I would want to be reminded that life is short, get something done, make something happen.

[303] Yeah.

[304] All these people that aren't here anymore.

[305] But the thing about cemeteries, it's like they're already dead when they get in there.

[306] I think, like, the memory thing is like, you know, if you're on a boat and someone gets murdered on that boat and you're in the boat and you're, like, fucking freaking out.

[307] Right, right.

[308] There's something about, like, things.

[309] Like, if you had a thing, if you had a wallet that Mike Tyson owned, you know what I mean?

[310] You'd hold it.

[311] You're like, damn, you know, there's something to it.

[312] Morphic resonance.

[313] Okay, that's Rupert Sheldrick's theory.

[314] According to a theory developed by Rupert Sheldrick, British biologist, paranormal influence by which a pattern of events or behavior can facilitate subsequent occurrences of similar.

[315] pattern is oh that's right that is that is not about it memory that is that is his other theory it's referred to a lot of other ways about memory is inherent in nature yeah yeah I think that's part of it like I think what I was talking about is part of his theory of morphic residents but morphic residents I think he's he yeah it's here it says that hold on scroll back scroll down so the process whereby self -organizing systems inherent a memory from previous similar systems so when he was talking about with morphic residents was how mice if they learn like say if you have a pattern and there's like cheese at the end of this pattern and then they go through a maze if one mouse figures out that pattern other mouse can figure it out quicker and there's something somehow or another they learn from each other right and when chimpanzees were observed using tools other chimpanzees on the other side of the world started mimicking that behavior with without any interaction with those chimpanzees at all.

[316] Wait, what?

[317] Yeah.

[318] Yeah.

[319] Yeah, very strange.

[320] That's like fucking butterfly.

[321] Well, it's more intense than butterfly effect because it implies that there's some sort of collective information pool that they're sharing through the ether.

[322] That there's something that they're sharing through some unknown method.

[323] That's crazy.

[324] Yeah.

[325] Well, it's actually been shown that there is some sort of a, there's something to this.

[326] And there's a lot of criticism of it.

[327] So if you're one of those people right now that's like a strict materialist and you're screaming out, I get it.

[328] I get it.

[329] Someone who's a real rationalist who just wants only science, provable.

[330] The thing is it is kind of provable because there has been some tests and there's fierce opposition to this, which is anything that has like some woo -woo attached to it, is going to have some fierce opposition.

[331] But Rupert was a really fascinating guy.

[332] And he's also a rare scientist that's, he was Christian, is that what it was?

[333] He's really into, he has a certain level of Christianity that he accepts and adopts because he feels like it's beneficial to him.

[334] Very interesting guy.

[335] Yeah, that's.

[336] Yeah, I did a podcast a few years back.

[337] Yeah.

[338] He's a trip.

[339] him and there was a mathematician and Terrence McKenna who was the other gentleman it was the trialogues they had these fantastic recordings it was Sheldrake McKenna and one other guy was also brilliant and they would go back and forth they had these Ralph Abraham Abraham Abraham's or Abraham Abraham Abraham and they did these series of talks And this is one of the things that came up.

[340] Like McKenna was the most woo -woo.

[341] Ralph Abraham was the least woo -woo, and Sheldrick was kind of in the middle.

[342] Right.

[343] Yeah.

[344] Interesting stuff if you ever hanging around.

[345] Yeah, the trial logs.

[346] There it is.

[347] The recordings are still available somewhere.

[348] I think our friend psychedelic salon, I think Lorenzo has them.

[349] Are they available online?

[350] Bam.

[351] Oh, there you go.

[352] Bam.

[353] Sounds fun.

[354] Yeah, they're fucking cool, man. You can't actually play it, I don't know why.

[355] You can't play it?

[356] Maybe it was there, and I got to take it down.

[357] Yeah, that is the case.

[358] Looks I got removed.

[359] Yeah, someone's probably selling it.

[360] It's really cool, though.

[361] You get to see these guys in the 1990s pre -internet.

[362] Was it pre -internet?

[363] Might not have been.

[364] It might be like 98.

[365] I think McKenna died around 2000 -ish.

[366] He died post -2.

[367] I want to say he died like 2003 or something.

[368] When did he die?

[369] Why am I asking this?

[370] This is all about memory and things.

[371] We went on the fucking deep road off into the woods here.

[372] But anybody who's listening?

[373] 2000.

[374] 2000, yeah.

[375] So he made it to Y2K and then he kicked the bucket.

[376] Anybody who's just interested in really cool conversations, it's something to listen to.

[377] Yeah, that sounds very interesting.

[378] Yeah, just three super smart dudes kind of debating ideas and bouncing them around off each other.

[379] You know what I've actually gotten into recently is listening to old recordings of, like, Alan Watts.

[380] Oh, yeah.

[381] Oh, he was great.

[382] Reading Joseph Campbell and just, like, I don't know, just absorbing it and trying to figure out what that means to me today in this, like, the very different world.

[383] Yeah, Watts is a fascinating guy.

[384] Plus, that accent made him sound so much cooler.

[385] Yeah.

[386] Drone out.

[387] yeah his actually the first time i ever got into a good uh like a like a meditative space was a meditation led by alan watts from like i don't know when the fuck it in like 60 70s and just the way he explained it for me like it was the first time it ever made sense how meditation should he's like don't try to not think of anything but just accept them that they're there and but also ignore them at the same time yeah it was weird and then i just totally like, I felt like I was above myself watching me just sitting there listening to this recording.

[388] It was a trip.

[389] Well, he's such a heady guy, the sound of his voice and just hearing his thoughts.

[390] When you hear a really deep thinker like him, one of the things that it does is kind of gets you into that pattern of thought and you realize like, oh, I can probably kind of sort of think that way too.

[391] I just allow myself to be guided by his words and sort of to pay attention to how he's doing this.

[392] Yeah.

[393] He was an interesting guy because not just was he a deep thinker, but the influences of those people, it's very different.

[394] Like there's very few recordings even back then for them to listen to.

[395] You know, this stuff was based on reading and their education and their actual life experiences.

[396] So they were very unique and original.

[397] They were really the cornerstones for a lot of these days.

[398] deep philosophical ideas.

[399] You know, and so then when you hear an Alan Watts recording today, you know, maybe someone like me or some other people that listen to that, they might share those ideas or reflect on those ideas, but clearly these are not my ideas.

[400] These are ideas that have come from these intense cornerstone people, whether it's McKenna or Alan Watts or something like that.

[401] Do you get a chance while you're, when you're working, do you listen to shit or do you just Yeah, I got all the time to sit and listen.

[402] Do you, headphones or like it seems like it would be loud as fuck?

[403] Yeah, so I just got a hold of these like Bluetooth head, like earbuds.

[404] And they have like this memory phone.

[405] So they, uh, memory foam earbuds like tips.

[406] So it helps reduce the amount of noise that's actually coming in.

[407] So it helps protect it that way just kind of in general, like a normal like inner earplug would work.

[408] But also because it's reducing the amount of noise that's getting in, you can also listen at a lower.

[409] volume so you're not like blowing out your ears to be able to hear whatever you're listening to like you wouldn't through normal earbuds right because it's so loud in your shop yeah yeah so much noise whenever i'm working like especially if somebody happens to pop by the shop and they want to see and like they're just curious and so we have stuff going on or we can heat some steel up real quick and do quick demonstration usually i don't take the time to throw all that stuff in and fuck it is so loud.

[410] I actually feel like my hearing has become more sensitive since I started making knives than it was before.

[411] It's probably your ears getting beat up.

[412] Do you always have ear plugs in?

[413] I always have hearing protection.

[414] So my hearing is always protected.

[415] So I feel like it's become more sensitive.

[416] I have a better sense of hearing.

[417] I don't know if that's possible to get your hearing back or whatever.

[418] But maybe you're protecting it.

[419] It's doing better because of that.

[420] Yeah.

[421] I just, I hear a lot of things, like all the things.

[422] Because it feels like whenever I take my hearing, or your hearing protection out, I'll be at home or something.

[423] And I'm like, what the luck's that noise?

[424] And my wife's looks at me like, I'm fucking crazy.

[425] I wonder if that's the case.

[426] I wonder if, like, maybe if, like, you know, people don't use their hands and then the hands get soft.

[427] I don't know.

[428] You can't gain it back.

[429] Okay.

[430] But you might be protecting it longer.

[431] And since you have a sensitivity issue, maybe since it's quieter all day.

[432] So if you blow it out from, like, concerts and you're going to.

[433] shit like that, that's it.

[434] I saw that with a lot.

[435] All you can do is get a hearing aid.

[436] Oh, yeah.

[437] What about, um, the little hairs that stem cells are some shit.

[438] If they don't figure out of the way to do that yet?

[439] Because it's literally what you're hearing with is a, like a hair follicle.

[440] It's vibrating.

[441] And you blow that shit out?

[442] They haven't synthetically made those yet or have to regrow them yet.

[443] I feel so bad for those old rock stars that didn't know any better.

[444] And now they, they're just fucking.

[445] Huey Lewis.

[446] It's just happened to him.

[447] He can't.

[448] He can't play anymore.

[449] All the sudden.

[450] That's the Lord's work.

[451] Just kidding.

[452] Just kidding.

[453] It's hip to be square.

[454] Yeah, man, it's fucked up.

[455] Like, the dude from ACDC, who else?

[456] Angus's gone.

[457] Oh, Jesus, really?

[458] Deaf, yeah.

[459] Fucking everybody's going deaf.

[460] Yeah.

[461] They also probably didn't protect themselves like you should have.

[462] Nobody knew any better back then.

[463] Have you ever seen that documentary?

[464] It's an older one.

[465] Well, older one.

[466] It was like from the early 2000s.

[467] But this woman, she progressively got deafer and deffer as she grew older until, like, I I think she was in high school or something.

[468] She was, like, practically completely deaf.

[469] But she's a percussionist, and she's, like, a world -renowned percussionist.

[470] There's this awesome documentary.

[471] It's called Touch the Sound.

[472] And she hears through her body, which is a, it trips me out, but the tones that she's able to achieve the control she has over everything, whatever kind of instrument she's playing, it's an awesome documentary.

[473] Wow.

[474] But she has almost literally no hearing.

[475] She hears everything through her body.

[476] Dude.

[477] So it's kind of interesting to think, like, if Angus could figure that shit out, then...

[478] I mean, he's holding the fucking thing his hand the whole time.

[479] It's not just Angus, the lead singer.

[480] Right, right, right.

[481] What's the lead singer's name?

[482] The fuck's his name.

[483] Second lead singer.

[484] Brian Johnson.

[485] Brian Johnson.

[486] I never forget that.

[487] He's gone deaf too.

[488] Angus and Brian.

[489] And Angus is like, always head -banging.

[490] What kind of C -T -E does that guy have?

[491] Oh, Jesus.

[492] I mean, fucking Christ, you shouldn't be doing that.

[493] God, you were talking to D -D -D -B about that the other day?

[494] Yeah.

[495] I was thinking, like, all through high school.

[496] Like, I played football from seventh grade all through high school.

[497] And, like, all the stuff they're learning now, I'm just like, Jesus, what the fuck was happening to me?

[498] Dude, C -T.

[499] And we always led with our head.

[500] Mm -hmm.

[501] Of course, yeah.

[502] And my neck was always all kinds of fucking.

[503] up and you know I definitely had some serious concussions I'm sure and yeah sometimes it scares me and orders me a little bit like what does that mean for me now how old are you now 34 yeah man just turned 34 um it's scary you know you're lucky you stopped when you did I know I know a lot of people with brain damage me too I'm sure I have some I guaranteed I must I mean I don't think anybody rides for free.

[504] I think you get hit in the head enough.

[505] You got some brain damage.

[506] You know, I got hit in the head on a regular basis for most of my younger years, from like 15 to like 22.

[507] Yeah.

[508] I got a hit in the head all the time.

[509] It's just, nobody knew any better, you know?

[510] And back then, you thought that, like, once you got, like, once you were slurring your words and stuff, if you just stopped, like, oh, he's a little.

[511] punchy you should stop right like that's how people thought but they didn't realize that it's regressive and then like you don't even really show brain damage like 10 years after the initial injuries right that's when you really start showing damage so some some CTE just compounds it until it just becomes unmanageable for these poor people yeah yeah well and it's I actually I can't especially after watching concussion and and seeing and reading like articles about the real life people that this shit's happened to I like I have a hard time watching football.

[512] Like, I used to watch football all the time.

[513] I've never been, like, crazy into sports, knowing all the stats and everything stuff.

[514] I enjoyed watching, like, a good contest.

[515] I never really rude for anybody.

[516] But now when I see, like, even kids signing the draft or signing up from high school to go to a certain college, I'm like, man, that's somebody's fucking baby.

[517] Just fucking tearing themselves up.

[518] Like, is that worth it?

[519] Yeah.

[520] Is that worth it?

[521] I would support kids fighting way before I would support kids.

[522] doing football and both of them I'd be nervous about and you know I mean there's other stuff like ex -games type shit people that are into extreme sports and you know people that are into snowboarding snowboarders wipe out all the time and crack their head open what you can you get a scholarship and martial arts of any kind like to college just wrestling I mean that's like a big that's a big driver right there though right wrestling that's where the money is at right it's probably one of the most important martial arts but other than that's probably it right yeah that's it i mean judo maybe is there a school that has judo they used to have boxing in schools i mean back in like 50s and 60s and shit there was boxing was a legitimate sport in college but not anymore yeah yeah yeah it just i can't really watch it anymore i mean you have to be careful like with your hand -eye coordination and your fingers and shit now oh jesus you know i mean you you got to think like when you're working with hammers and hot metal and you must always always you're have to be super way because everybody that works in machine shops missing a fingertip something's fucked up there's crazy stories too like buffer the buffer like the fluffy little things like one of the most dangerous things because it catches an edge just like if you're snowboarding you catch a bad edge and it bites the blade bites into that and it acts as a hand and just rips it and flings it wherever it's thrown knives right back in the guys and fucking killed them oh fuck yeah my wife probably hating me say that right yeah but it's a reality i've done i've actually done a lot of work to get away from using buffers because of that and i'm still like doing great work i just i have a lot of friends who just they'll never touch a fucking buffer because it's just terrifying it's scary what does a buffer look like for people who don't know put up like what would you call it in the machine uh like a buffing oh shit i don't know it usually it's like a usually it's like a bench top thing like a bench grinder usually has like the hard wheat round stone wheel on one side is that it that's it right there those motherfuckers yeah oh don't it's not one fucking it's just gonna go it's not a make me nervous yeah that looks like something so if you fucked up and you got that blade too close it would kick it and then fling it so that one is what's called a sysel wheel so it's made from that type of rope but the ones that are the most dangerous are the softer cotton wheels because they want to grab that much easier they have more give um but yeah it's and what's interesting is i've actually been cut less working in a in a metal shop than i ever did working in and and burned less than i ever did working in in kitchens i worked in restaurants back a house like for seven years collectively and most of that has to do with other people not calling like hot coming across and they're fucking i turn around they don't call it i turn around they're there with this fucking saute pan right in the side of my arm.

[523] I'm ready to fucking drop it.

[524] But it's, being in a metal shop, like you said, you do have to pay so much attention.

[525] You have to be focused at what you're doing because literally everything in that fucking shop wants to hurt you or kill you the second you're not paying attention.

[526] Because the second you're not paying attention, it's going to grab you.

[527] Like, there are horror stories of people working next to machines and they have long hair.

[528] It's caught in the motor and it just fucking rips it.

[529] scouts and like just straight terrible stuff yeah he got a power tool last week oh yeah you got a power tool stuck in his balls who is that yeah poor bastard yeah I got a Brian Wilson yeah got a drill that he lost his hearing due to not putting an earplugs at a car race not music specifically there was a quote Brian Wilson from the Beach Boys Brian Wilson from the Beach Boys Brian Wilson from the Beach boy or I'm sorry he this article has him at the top Brian Johnson oh Brian Johnson from cars yeah well how the fuck does he know motherfucker's in ACDC I mean wouldn't you think that'd be loud too bro Angus Young says it he lost a little bit but his quote says that he never really had a problem with it that's why he was running around on stage so much too he's never in one place so long yeah yeah I don't know that's silly that's a fucking loudness of room that's hilarious for a concert I ever saw ICDC DC DC.

[530] I wonder if people are more susceptible, just like some people are more susceptible to CTE.

[531] Yeah, I remember Rhonda Patrick was talking about certain genes that you have.

[532] What is it?

[533] Apropos?

[534] I forget what it was called.

[535] But whatever genes that make you more susceptible and more likely to get CTE from concussions.

[536] Probably.

[537] Probably.

[538] It would have to be something.

[539] Probably.

[540] Makes sense.

[541] Now, when you're in that shop and you're doing all this grinding.

[542] Is there any concern about chemicals?

[543] Like, is there chemical ingestion or smells in the air?

[544] I think that, because you're dipping things and you've got all the stuff that you're using.

[545] Yeah, especially if you're working with synthetic.

[546] I mean, any material that you're grinding, you're making it, it's airborne.

[547] Like, any of it can go into your lungs.

[548] I'm almost always wearing a respirator.

[549] Oh, wow.

[550] Especially when I'm grinding.

[551] And it's like double can, always, like, covering up my face.

[552] Does it work?

[553] Does a respirator filter out all of it?

[554] It makes a huge difference.

[555] In fact, excuse me, where I have my facial hair right now, even this little bit, what you got even, that little bit, is enough to create a little gap and they can get through that so you have to shave your face smooth.

[556] Yeah, usually I keep it pretty well.

[557] Now, how the fuck do you create those patterns, like the mask of steel?

[558] What is that?

[559] This doesn't have too much of a pattern?

[560] That one's not the Damascus steel, unfortunately.

[561] It's beautiful.

[562] Now, what does create those, like that?

[563] There you go.

[564] How do you do that?

[565] We're looking at a crazy image that looks like, it almost looks like someone drew on it.

[566] This is a pattern I just came up with recently.

[567] It's called, I call it the braid mosaic, for lack of a better term.

[568] But it just looks like a braid.

[569] And it's something I've been wanting to create.

[570] And I finally figured out.

[571] So essentially, to create pattern -welded Damascus, first off, Damascus is kind of a blanket, has become a blanket term.

[572] Traditionally and originally, it actually referred to the steel that, like the type of steel that your knife, this knife, the meteorite knife, is made from.

[573] And it eventually became a blanket term for all kinds of kind of patterned steel in general, whether it occurs naturally or if it's kind of forced and created the way that braid pattern was made.

[574] So that's pattern welded steel.

[575] And so you have to start with at least two different types of high carbon steel.

[576] ideally steels that heat treat in a similar range when you heat them up and squish on them they move at a similar rate and so most commonly people are working with 1080 and 15 and 20 those are just codes for two different types of high carbon steel but essentially you bring them up to high temperature you you squish them either under a big hammer or under a press you can even actually do it by hand but you have to do kind of a smaller billet to create the patterns and get it to stick because the trick is really getting them close evenly squishing it out and it's like if you've ever rolled out dough or anybody who's ever made like pastry dough like you would use in a croissant you tear open a croissant you see all those layers in there and that's from a piece of dough being rolled out full of dough rolled out and so it's kind of the same fucking thing but with metal but you have to have the kind of the right kind of temperature environment, kind of, you want as little oxygen in there as possible because the oxygen creates carbon, or not carbon, but iron oxide that kind of is detrimental to creating solid well bonds, and there are different ways to achieve that.

[577] But once the 1080 is the black steel, the black color, and the 15 and 20 is the silver color.

[578] What's the difference in the way those steels perform?

[579] It's one of them harder or more durable.

[580] or holds an edge more?

[581] They pretty much perform almost exactly the same.

[582] They're, in fact, chemically speaking, they're almost exactly the same, except for the 15 and 20, has a high level of nickel in it, 0 .2 % by weight.

[583] And so that steel is traditionally used in sawblades, especially large, big mill band saws.

[584] You know, like in Oregon, they're like one of the oldest and continuously running a wood sawmill is still there and doing its thing with these giant band saw blades that are like 30 feet in that are in circumference and they're like foot wide and there's monsters and um foot wide you mean like thick no no like they're only like maybe a 16th of an inch thick because you want a narrow saw curve so you're not wasting material but they're wide to help prevent deflection to keep it from kind of twist down so it's a band Saw.

[585] I'm thinking of a circular saw for some reason.

[586] Sorry, yeah.

[587] Bandsaw.

[588] So the circular saw, those saw curves are usually probably around 8th of an inch to a quarter of an inch thick but it's the same kind of idea is that they're trimming down these giant logs so they need a big fucking saw.

[589] Those things bind and break, man. That must be a fucking nightmare.

[590] Yeah.

[591] That's got to be so terrible.

[592] You don't want to be standing right there when that happens.

[593] Have you seen an original samurai sword?

[594] I've seen a few actually.

[595] This one's from the 1500s check this shit out yeah let's see oh shit this is the one that uh mr and neil degross tyson was closing with the other day yeah that's a real one that's an actual real samurai sword right right from the 1500s yeah see the ray skins nice do you know when it was made exactly I don't think they know they just know it's from some time period in the 1500s but there's a certificate of authentication that came with it, explains.

[596] I'm just looking to see what the homone activity looks like.

[597] So the homone is, you can kind of see this line that runs parallel to the cutting edge, and that usually indicates where the soft material stops and the hard material starts.

[598] And so the idea with these kind of, the challenge with any knife is, Making a knife that takes and holds a sharp edge for a good period of time.

[599] What's the key to that?

[600] But it's also tough, which means, like, you can drop it and it's not going to break.

[601] So, like, if you wanted a hunting knife or something like that.

[602] So a hunting knife, a boating knife, a bowing knives.

[603] Those are harder working knives, so you want to actually bring that hardness down.

[604] You don't have to bring it down a ton, but just a few points will make a huge fucking difference in how it performs.

[605] Yeah, exactly.

[606] Like, what's the difference in the way that?

[607] That knife is made and this knife is made.

[608] So they were temperate, they were heat treated the same.

[609] So they were brought up to like 1 ,500 degrees.

[610] For people who don't, not listening, not watching.

[611] One of these knives is a hunting knife that...

[612] How's that feel, by the way?

[613] It's great, man. I love it.

[614] But it's made very similar.

[615] If you look into the video of it, the handle's the same, and it looks very similar.

[616] It has a different knife guard.

[617] So it's pretty cool.

[618] Hold up a fire.

[619] What's that?

[620] Yeah, the guard keeps your hand from sliding up.

[621] Yeah, and I look the way you made the handle, too.

[622] It's an interesting handle, curved and everything.

[623] Where did you get that pattern for, like, the handle?

[624] Yeah, so.

[625] I'm sorry, I answered the first question.

[626] I'm sorry.

[627] I don't remember what the first five questions.

[628] Like, what is the difference in the way they're treated?

[629] Okay, yeah, yeah.

[630] So they were hardened.

[631] So heat treating, the whole process is essentially heating up the steel, make it hard, and then you put it back into heat, but a much lower temperature to kind of toughen it up.

[632] And so you're pulling some of that hardness back.

[633] So they were hardened the same way, but they were tempered at different temperatures because one is a hard -use knife while the chef's knife is not a hard -use knife.

[634] What is the difference between temper and what does that mean?

[635] So the tempering, so essentially, so I harden it, so I bring it up to 1 ,500 degrees, which is like a dull glowing orange color.

[636] And then I dip it in a special oil that I have that's designed for quenching materials, not just in knife making, but all kinds of different industrial applications.

[637] Quenching materials.

[638] Or oil, sorry, quenching oil.

[639] What does that mean?

[640] So that's cooling this hot steel down in a very short period of time.

[641] And you do it in oil.

[642] So is it a cold oil?

[643] No. So actually, depending on how the same, steel needs to be heat treated, you actually want to heat up the oil so that it's thinner.

[644] And it also, there's this thing that's called a vapor jacket.

[645] So if you've ever been next to a woodburning stove and you drop a little water on it and you see that bead water dance around on there, the same thing happens on the surface of the blade, except for the blade is the source of the heat, right?

[646] You put it in that oil, all that oil is dancing around on it.

[647] So when the oil is thinner, it's not as large of a jacket because when that jacket is large, so jacking that steel while it's trying to cool down, it actually kind of acts as an insulator and ruin or could potentially ruin.

[648] So not only do you put it in the oil, but you want to agitate it to kind of break up that jacket.

[649] So it doesn't get a chance to just sit there and all the way around the blade.

[650] And if it was cold, it would...

[651] It would be thicker, and so it would make a larger jacket, actually.

[652] And also, it probably wouldn't be as efficient, I guess, in cooling the steel down.

[653] Because ideally, like, for most steels, you want to cool them down pretty much as quickly as you possibly can.

[654] So this knife...

[655] Sorry, go ahead.

[656] So we keep going.

[657] I was just going to say, you essentially have, depending on what kind of steel you're working with, you have anywhere from half a second to like five seconds to get it from 1 ,500 degrees or sometimes higher to below 800 degrees.

[658] And so this knife would be more durable, is that what it is than this knife?

[659] Durable, yeah, tougher.

[660] So in knife making, commonly refer to it as being tougher.

[661] So it can withstand coming into impact with bone.

[662] You could chop with that thing a lot more efficiently with a tougher knife, because this hasn't been tempered at as high of a temperature, it's much harder than this one, even though it's a few points.

[663] Those few points make a big difference.

[664] And so if you were to take this out into the woods, try to do the same job as this one.

[665] It wouldn't necessarily snap.

[666] But parts of the cutting edge would blow out, probably blow out in chips.

[667] I actually recently just from time to time is good practice as a knife maker.

[668] To make sure that you're still doing your heat -treating stuff all right, I take a knife and I just beat the shit out of it.

[669] First, I chopped through some wood, and then I actually took it to an antler and beat the shit out of it, too.

[670] And it is amazing that if you're doing things right, you know, 10 ,000ths of an inch is enough to really to withstand impact of chopping through wood pretty well.

[671] Of course, unless you're coming into contact with like a nail.

[672] Yeah, a nail or super dense knots.

[673] That's crazy because it's so thin.

[674] That's one of the more interesting things about this.

[675] That's actually on the thicker side.

[676] This is on the thicker side?

[677] At least, especially along the cutting edge.

[678] That's probably twice as thick as it actually needs to be.

[679] Wow.

[680] Which is crazy.

[681] But it just comes down to the material.

[682] Not everybody or a lot of people mistakenly think, you know, steel is steel, a steel, a steel and whatever.

[683] But they're not.

[684] Steel is made for many different applications and they're actually very specifically designed for those applications.

[685] So, like a structural steel, this kind of stuff that, you know, buildings are built out of, very different from this.

[686] It doesn't have very much carbon in it at all.

[687] That way, so the carbon is what helps make these really hard.

[688] So lacking that carbon, it allows it to be way tougher.

[689] So you can bend it all fucking day long.

[690] It's not going to snap.

[691] Exactly.

[692] Right.

[693] So that's why you want it for buildings in L .A. Where the earthquakes hit.

[694] Yeah.

[695] They wiggle a little bit.

[696] Yeah.

[697] Yeah.

[698] Yeah.

[699] This is much thinner than a lot of other hunting knives would be, which is interesting.

[700] You know, with your use of this exotic metal and your methods, you're able to do that.

[701] Well, and also part of the reason that you're able to do that is because it's high carbon steel, which means it has a high volume of carbon comparatively than other kinds of tool or cutlery steel.

[702] And what's the benefit of high carbon versus less carbon?

[703] So high carbon allows you to, especially for the meteorite steel, it's a kind of crucible steel called wutes.

[704] And so the patterning you're seeing there is actually strands of carbon or carbide material.

[705] So all the extra carbon floating around in the matrix, the iron matrix of this steel jumps onto these bands called carbide.

[706] and there are different elements, and vanadium is one of the elements in this steel that draws that carbon in.

[707] So what you're seeing are thousands and thousands of all these ultra -hard carbon bands floating around through the Iron Matrix.

[708] Do you watch Game of Thrones?

[709] I do.

[710] When they have swords that are made out of Valerian steel, do you get pissed off?

[711] Get the fuck out of here with your fake magic steel.

[712] Well, and what's interesting, back in the day, this shit was fucking, magical right they didn't understand what was going on now how did they learn i mean what is the history i mean obviously that sword there is from the 1500s but you know from back in the roman gladiator days and i mean how did they understand how to do this so the steel that they were using in europe was not really that great it was who had the best shit japanese japanese swedish were pretty fucking good yeah as well as the vikings the persians and the indonesians vikings material wasn't the greatest.

[713] Wasn't too barbaric?

[714] No, it comes down to what they had available to them.

[715] Right.

[716] Yeah.

[717] So who was like the pioneer of like really durable, badass sword material?

[718] Was it Japanese?

[719] So probably, so the Japanese and the Persian slash Indonesian.

[720] Persians?

[721] Swords are probably the most legendary.

[722] You know, they're the ones where like it could cut through silk floating in air and shit like that why is that what did they do different so it's so the persian steel is steel very very very similar to these meteorite so it's a crucible it starts it's called a crucible steel and so essentially there's this clay jar essentially called a crucible people melt all kinds of stuff in it but you can melt steel in it as well and so they were making these ingots of crucible steel and then forging them out and they really really very heavily relied on these carbide bands floating through the material because unfortunately they didn't really have a very advanced way of quenching that steel so that not only did they have the bands but they also had hard iron matrix as well that those bands were floating so they really relied on those that banding so did they just learn from trial and error of thousands of years of experimenting with different materials and different locations they got the iron from and different things that they added to it to make steel yep absolutely and that's why like you know you even watching game of thrones or other kind of medieval or movie set in medieval times you know there were very specific makers who were the best who could really make this shit happen and it's because they had a tradition passed down to them and you know all that's a lot of that stuff was very fictional but in in the real world that was the same thing you know You had very specific lineages of people who had, you know, essentially the most advanced technology and skills and techniques for creating the most highest performing weaponry essentially of the time, which was like the currency of the fucking time.

[723] Somebody went to Japan fairly recently and filmed them working with a high -level sword maker for a television show.

[724] I'm trying to remember who it was.

[725] It was somewhat famous, but it was really badass.

[726] They went to this sword maker shop, and, you know, I mean, he's doing the whole thing.

[727] Like, hammering it all out and building the samurai sword from scratch the way it's always been.

[728] Yeah, there are a few of those documentaries.

[729] Do you know what it is, Tammy?

[730] On YouTube.

[731] Usually you got to do a little bit of digging to find them.

[732] I actually just watched a few of them, like, in the last five years.

[733] I do not recall what they're made.

[734] Do you think you're going to make a samurai sword one of these days?

[735] I might do it eventually.

[736] I mean, I'm always going to do chefs' knives because that's what I know.

[737] Like, that's the tool I know the most.

[738] That's probably the biggest, like, market, right?

[739] There's a giant, I mean.

[740] People are super foodies and want to let you know.

[741] Well, it's not only that, like, but if you think about it, like...

[742] Momasi made this made out of a meteor.

[743] You know, there's a lot of mystique around Japanese swords or even the American Bowie Knife as well as, you know, Viking swords.

[744] But nowadays, you know, people have that shit made, but, you know, it goes on a wall.

[745] The things that are really getting used are like a hunting knife and a chef's knife.

[746] And, you know, cooking knives are used like almost literally in every single household around the world every day, year round.

[747] Yeah.

[748] And what's interesting is because of its ubiquity to our everyday life, it lacks that mistake.

[749] because we see the shit every day.

[750] We don't think much of it versus a Japanese sword.

[751] People walk in here and they're like, fuck!

[752] Well, I tell you one thing, man, when people come over my house and I'm cooking and they go, where the fuck did you get that knife?

[753] That happens all the time.

[754] It's either this one or the other one.

[755] When I show them the bog oak one, the same thing, they're like, dude.

[756] I'm like, yeah, man, check it out.

[757] Now, in terms of like this one or the other one that you made me, the other hunting knife that you made me out of Damascus, which one is like tougher?

[758] more durable.

[759] So they've been heat treated to perform very, very, very similarly.

[760] So they basically...

[761] You'd essentially have to destroy them to really determine which one outperform the other.

[762] So you'd have to stick it in a bone and try to break it.

[763] Yeah.

[764] Essentially use it how it's not supposed to be fucking used.

[765] But it keeps an edge so well, man. It's crazy.

[766] I mean, I get nervous every time I touch the blade.

[767] I mean, this thing slices through things.

[768] Now, there's got to be an...

[769] art to actually sharpening things, too, right?

[770] Oh, for sure.

[771] And how do you know, like, the right angle to approach sharpening?

[772] It's, I mean, there are a lot, there are actually a lot of great information online.

[773] They're, especially in big cities like Seattle, L .A., New York, Austin.

[774] They're in Portland as well.

[775] They're super reputable people, not only who will offer service, but usually offer lessons as well.

[776] I suggest, like, if you can't afford it, you know, you can dig around, you can find the stuff online.

[777] But it's not the same as having, essentially having a coach next to you saying, uh -uh, or, yeah, that's great.

[778] That's perfect.

[779] That's where you want to be doing that shit.

[780] Do you sharpen both sides?

[781] I do.

[782] So you sharpen the top and the bottom.

[783] I'm sorry.

[784] Both sides of the steel.

[785] Like, would you sharpen it like this and then flip it over and sharpen it like that?

[786] Yeah.

[787] Now, what are those things that?

[788] they have those metal things but people go shing shing shing shing yeah so those those ones seem like i'm like that looks brutal i wouldn't do that to a good knife it so am i right thinking that way well it depends on the the type of steel that your knife's made from and then what the material is that those rods are made from so those are commonly referred to as sharpening rods or sharpening sticks but the reality is they're not actually sharpening what are they doing so they're uh more accurately referred to as honing rods.

[789] So what's happening at the cutting edge of your knife is you have all these microserations.

[790] Essentially, if you go take it under a microscope and look at the cutting edge, it looks like a sawblade.

[791] But they're like they're fucking microns.

[792] A micron is a millionth of a meter.

[793] Like they're teeny tiny.

[794] So, but what happens over normal use, those teeth, they bend over, they flex over, or sometimes they eventually wear out.

[795] and fall off and so what the honing rod does especially if they've bent over you're showing it right there ooh yeah exciting look at that blade edge oh that's crazy you want to ignore like those long streaks and you're just like the tiny little thin black yeah that's the shit right there is that top of that thin black line damn that's crazy observation are you looking at it's like someone's doing it to your instruction but yeah it's a YouTube video crazy yeah that is crazy i was like are you doing that shit right now 300 x magnification yeah view from the top yeah so that's what's happening along your cutting edge and what happens is those tiny serrations where it bend over like i was saying or break off and so but as they bend over and it's just normal shit that honing rod by swiping across that honing rod and you don't just do it willingly like you got to do it at the right angle and all this stuff but what it does is it realigns and hones those teeth back into a line So people mistakenly call them sharpening sticks because all of a sudden their knife is sharp as fuck afterwards, but the reality is that it's honed those teeth back into alignment so it can do its job again.

[796] Now, what's the purpose of the leather strapped?

[797] So that's just a gentler way, especially for things that are super, super razor sharp, which essentially have been sharpened to a really high finish, like 10 ,000 grit or higher.

[798] So those microcerations are even smaller, which means they're even more delicate, which means they don't need as much force to realign them.

[799] So a honing rod or a strap is...

[800] So that's a human hair?

[801] Yeah.

[802] Jesus Christ.

[803] That looks disgusting.

[804] Imagine choking on that hair.

[805] So just to give you some reference, a typical and average human hair is about 3 ,000th of an inch.

[806] Whoa.

[807] Yeah.

[808] Yeah.

[809] And to help put that a little bit more better perspective, a 16th of an inch, like a normal measurement, one 16th of an inch, is 62 .5 ,000th of an inch.

[810] Wow.

[811] So that's like one, I can't even do the math right.

[812] One 20th of a 16th of an inch, which is fucking teeny tiny.

[813] Wow.

[814] It's like split the hair.

[815] Yeah.

[816] Like shaved it?

[817] Yeah.

[818] There's a big debate in the world of bow hunting with broadheads with what kind of steel to use.

[819] And there's harder steel that some people use, but it breaks.

[820] And there's an issue with that.

[821] And there's like this big debate harder versus steel that is less hard but will bend more and give slightly more.

[822] you know and then there's um there's a there's a the broadhead that i use which is a carbon steel broadhead from a company called g5 they make this uh broadhead called a montec to pull up um g5 carbon steel montec so you're talking so you're talking it's just the head like they just what the triangular or is it even a triangle okay um the one that i use yeah it is it's uh it has uh Was that three points or four points?

[823] Here, he'll pull it up.

[824] You see it.

[825] That's it.

[826] Oh, yeah, sure.

[827] So it's three points.

[828] But that's a carbon steel broadhead.

[829] That's what I shot my elk with last year with, and that thing is virtually indestructible.

[830] Yeah.

[831] I have a crazy photograph.

[832] I'll show you this crazy video.

[833] Oh, I put it up on my Instagram.

[834] Find it on my Instagram where I was fucking around with something on my bow at full draw.

[835] I was trying to set something and the bow went off and it hit a cement wall and it stuck into the wall.

[836] Like cinderblock or solid cement?

[837] Solid cement wall.

[838] And didn't kill the broadhead.

[839] I still have the broadhead back there.

[840] It stuck into the broadhead.

[841] Look at it did.

[842] It stuck into the broadhead.

[843] The shaft is chucked.

[844] Look what it did to the arrow.

[845] Now look at that.

[846] Look at that broadhead.

[847] That fucking thing's got my bet for life.

[848] That thing's got my confidence forever.

[849] Because if that does that to concrete, what will that do to bone?

[850] Right.

[851] You know, that will go through anything.

[852] That's going to kick some math.

[853] So one of the things I would say after seeing that, especially that first image, is the geometry of the blades, the actual points.

[854] They lend themselves similarly to how your hunting knife is sharpened differently from your chef's knife.

[855] Like the chef's knife material is thinner, but they're also sharpened at different angles because they have different jobs they're supposed to do.

[856] and so the broader essentially or sorry the more acute that is the more easily that will break as well as the thinner the thinner the material that that that geometry is living on is more susceptible to breaking that first image that jami pulled up the geometry looked like it was pretty robust pull that up again yeah as well as like it looks like it's probably at least 30 thousandths of an inch thick which is you know that's about if not more actually the original image jami we see the actual broadhead and uh um without the um um yeah my friend brian stevens turned me on to these he he yeah shot a bear through the head with one of those jesus was from 10 feet away it was coming at him and uh oh yeah i don't blame he's got an image of the skull that he sent me where you could see the outline of that broadhead through the bear skull that's crazy yeah and it killed the bear and didn't even fuck up the arrow.

[857] I'm like, that's crazy.

[858] Yeah.

[859] And so a lot of, like, you see people doing these incredible feats, like hammering through nails and shit like that with their knives.

[860] And they're like, what the fuck?

[861] The thing that most people are used to are a chef's knife, and they think if they did that with their chef's knife, they'd fuck it up, and 100 % it pretty much would.

[862] Right.

[863] But with the right thickness coming up to the cutting edge, as well as the actual lead cutting edge geometry, like the actual angle that it's sharpened at, You could do that shit all day long.

[864] Now, when you sharpen a blade, do you use something to hold it next to the stone so that it reaches the perfect angle, or do you do it by eye?

[865] I do it by eye.

[866] Actually, if you'll hand it over to me, one of the things, especially when I first started learning, I would use my finger as a guide.

[867] So that would inform me as to the angle.

[868] So when the edge of my finger would touch the top of the stone, that told me that was about the right angle.

[869] And then when I flipped it over to do the other side, I'd do the same.

[870] same thing with my thumb and essentially use the edge of my thumb.

[871] I just know this from experience.

[872] They do make sharpening guides that you can clip on to the back of the knives as well as little ramps.

[873] Those are all great, especially if you're starting.

[874] The hardest part about all of this is the muscle memory portion.

[875] It's figuring out how to lock in and maintain that angle without wavering and twisting your wrists and all that kind of shit.

[876] And that just, it's like riding a bike or anything you've ever had to learn.

[877] in your life with practice and repetition you'll get better what do you think about that those machines those like little they're like little I think they're the worst fucking thing ever really I have a like a almost kind of a conspiracy theory that like the reality is like they're designed to destroy your knife so you have to turn around and reinvest again because most people but one because the knives aren't usually sold for very much money that are being used with those things.

[878] And when you're not selling them for very much, you're relying on volume and what better way than to create a thing that does the job for a little bit, but ultimately destroys it and you have to reinvest.

[879] What about those ones where you stick it in the slot and go, shing, chink, shing, same thing.

[880] It's just a little slower process.

[881] But you'll notice the problem with those, the real problem with those is that you can't sharpen the whole edge.

[882] You usually start at the heel or just a little bit.

[883] front of the heel and then you do the major work i trip myself out i was like i'm gonna cut myself this is actually still pretty sharp oh it's sharp as far um and so the problem is because you're not getting the full length you'll continue to dish this material out just in front of the heel and then when you go to cut there's just this little bit of shit there that's not doing any work it's not doing anything especially when you're relying on that cutting board when the knife comes down to the cutting board to do some work it's not happening i cut my lunch with you that today.

[884] Nice.

[885] Oh, fuck.

[886] Cut elk with that.

[887] That Axis, that Axis deer and elk.

[888] Oh my God.

[889] That was killing me that.

[890] I probably didn't see it, but I was just like, holy shit that looks so fucking good.

[891] Yeah, man. You know, well, I learned how to cook.

[892] I mean, I feel like there's some real art to that as well.

[893] From my friend Chad Ward, Whiskey Bend Barbecue on Instagram.

[894] He's like a pit master, like a legit world champion.

[895] and Barbecue Master, and he's the one that taught me how to cook slowly at low temperatures and then sear it after you're done.

[896] I always thought you're supposed to just put it on high heat, cook the shit out of it, and then eat it, you know?

[897] Yeah, I mean...

[898] It tastes fine that way, too, but, you know, when you're dealing with what...

[899] I really had to learn, especially in particular, cooking with wild game is very unforgiving because it's low and fat.

[900] Yeah, it's got none.

[901] Yeah.

[902] It's, you're basically eating a sprinter.

[903] Here it is right there.

[904] Yeah, yeah.

[905] So that's the end.

[906] I reverse sear it in a pan with grass fed. But you hear that baby?

[907] Listen to that sound.

[908] Oh.

[909] Oh.

[910] That's the last of my backstrap.

[911] I got to, I got to get some more meat.

[912] Mm -hmm.

[913] I eat the, I eat so much meat.

[914] It's crazy.

[915] Yeah.

[916] Super healthy, though, bitch.

[917] Fuck what you heard.

[918] it looks like it works no well you know what too there's there's something really magical about wild game and um i don't know what the fuck it is i really don't and i don't think anybody does because i don't think there's enough people out there that are eating it but it has it has a different effect on your body it feels different when i eat even just beef like if you have a grass fed beef yeah like total like pasture rays like oh my god the difference it you know about butcher box I'm aware of it, yeah.

[919] Yeah, dude, that company's the shit.

[920] They'll send it to your house, frozen, grass -fed, pasture -raised, like pasture -finished, and it's pretty cheap, too.

[921] It's a good deal.

[922] It's one of the sponsors of this podcast, and I use them all the time.

[923] I think it's amazing.

[924] It's brilliant.

[925] And the few times that I, and it's actually, I feel embarrassed saying that if I'm only eating really good beef, happy beef, essentially, only a few times.

[926] Grass -fed beef, yeah.

[927] It's hard to get.

[928] Especially in some places.

[929] Oh, my God.

[930] When you take a bite, even just that first bite, it's just like, it's, you've entered a whole different world, and it's like, what the fuck?

[931] Just the flavors, everything.

[932] I have my friend, my friend Mike Hockridge, he lives up in British Columbia.

[933] Like, the real British Columbia, like, way the fuck up there.

[934] And, you know, he's a hunting guide.

[935] And got him some tickets for the fights in Vegas, and he and his wife came down.

[936] And then afterwards we went out to eat.

[937] And they were eating steak.

[938] we ate at a restaurant and they're laughing like they're used to eating moose you know like this meat is like it's like this poor little sick animal right it's all mushy you know it's like if you eat a piece of wild moose meat it's like whoa you eat it you're like holy shit it's like filled with flavor and it's right it just it feels like like it gives you energy it's crazy i i would totally buy that yeah you yeah it's like the what is that that people are trying to, like, inject young people's blood into their bodies to, like, trying to make themselves feel younger, like, eating, putting good well -sourced, like, I don't know if those two things are, no, I'm probably, I don't know if it's the same, probably not the same.

[939] No, I, but I do think that there's, I mean, there's got to be something to consuming an incredibly healthy, vibrant animal versus something that's like raised in a cage.

[940] Right.

[941] I mean, this does just make sense.

[942] But I don't think this is something that you can, I mean, they have absolutely measured protein content and the protein content's off the charts.

[943] If you look at the difference between the protein content of chicken or regular beef versus moose or elk, it's much higher.

[944] Right.

[945] Much denser in protein.

[946] Like, I think something like six ounces of actually.

[947] is deer is 48 grams of protein right which is incredible you know well it's interesting to think about that to get to get that same amount of protein like you don't have to gorge on it you just you just eat that little bit yeah good a little six ounce piece and you're good even less if you want to stay in ketosis if you're like in a keto diet you really need less than six ounces you know like three ounces right you know um food is just to me as especially as i've gotten older um i've I've, you started doing a lot more cooking, and it becomes a different thing.

[948] I'm, it's not just, I'm hungry and you stuff my face.

[949] Right.

[950] Like, the preparing of food, much like we were talking about with craftsmanship, like there's an art to making food, and I mean, I'm by no means a chef, but I can cook a few things really good, you know, and I take great satisfaction that I fucking love it, you know?

[951] I'll take, my wife used to hate this, but we would get home and, We're like, we're hungry.

[952] You're going to make some food.

[953] Two hours later, she's like, she's like, and a lot of people are that my brother's the same way.

[954] Like, I'm fucking hungry now.

[955] I need to eat now.

[956] I'm going to rip your fucking head off.

[957] Well, what you do is set up some cheese and some, like, salami or something like that.

[958] So that's what I started doing is putting out some snackums while I'm working.

[959] So everybody, just relax.

[960] Where, like, I could be starving.

[961] I'll get done with a long -ass day of grinding.

[962] I'll go home and I want to, like, I have this thing locked in my.

[963] mind that I want to eat I'll take two hours to make the fucking thing even though I'm starving I haven't eaten since like one o 'clock in the afternoon it's nine o 'clock at night do you find that as a person who is a craftsman and an artisan that you try to have that approach with like other things in your life too like what you're just talking about like making food and yeah sure it's I mean I feel like I don't really think too much about the fact that I'm doing it this way It's just kind of the way I do things.

[964] And I'm a little bit more methodical and I guess not necessarily more thoughtful than anybody else.

[965] Just like when I approach these challenges or these things they ought to do, I take my time to do them right and try to do them right the first time.

[966] I used to actually when I was working for Bob, we would have to mock up stuff or build machines or fixtures or shit like that.

[967] and you know he was a very his mindset was quick and dirty we got to do this get this done as quick as possible and if it doesn't work the first time we'll make some modifications and we'll try it a second time still doesn't work the second time so and so forth so on and so forth until we got it right where I would just think it through a little bit more first time it was all I needed but I there was a long time I used to do a lot of woodworking before I got the mental working and I always had to measure five times and cut twice.

[968] Right, yeah.

[969] And so I started getting to this point where, like, I really had to think shit through because it's just, to me, it felt like a huge waste of time and energy and materials, really, to go through all that process.

[970] And then, so.

[971] There had to be a long learning curve, though, right?

[972] To, like, really learn how to, especially I would imagine the forging aspect of it.

[973] It's probably incredibly difficult.

[974] Yeah, well, and when I was working for Bob, the only forging we did was forging the Damascus to make the patterns, and then we would, like, cut blades out and go from there.

[975] I learned forging about five years ago, essentially, working with a gentleman named David Lish, who's also, he's a master blade smith.

[976] He used to work in Seattle.

[977] He's down in Olympia area now, but he, you know, he did, he's a blacksmith by trade that got in tonight.

[978] knife making and he's fucking skilled he's super talented especially when it comes to bowie knives and hunters like he does some really great work and especially his damascus patterns are really great but to watch somebody move and manipulate material and really like i said before like stock removal is a very valid way of doing it because the cost of the actual materials um is very small compared to stock removal stock removal so earlier i was talking about taking a bar and then cutting out the blade shape and then grind it's called stock removal yeah because you're literally removing stock from the from the starting parent material would you do that would you take what's left and melt it down you could melt it down you could turn it and forge it into other stuff um it's it's a really interesting practice it's actually it's kind of like you know people refer to yoga as a practice you're never going to be perfect like there's never going to be perfection in blade forging but there's always an opportunity to learn something and the practice it and so So when you see, like, you have a decent little chunk, you know, you start smashing on that thing and see what you can get out of it to economize that material.

[979] And again, like I said, you don't really need to do that because of how inexpensive material is.

[980] But if you think back, like, even 100 years, like this high quality material is fucking expensive.

[981] You had to get the most out of it as you possibly could.

[982] And so that's why forging was such a big deal.

[983] And then as that price went down, people changed the way they manufactured just because then the time.

[984] was the thing that cost the most, not the materials.

[985] And so they turned around and made it easier to manufacture.

[986] They didn't give a shit about the waste.

[987] Now, how did you learn handle geometry, like the handle in this hunting knife?

[988] How did you learn how to do that?

[989] Yeah, yeah.

[990] This is very unique.

[991] It is unique.

[992] And actually...

[993] It fits my hand perfectly.

[994] It fits in your hand, though.

[995] And that's the goal.

[996] A friend...

[997] A friend refers to it as the knife shaking your hand back.

[998] Yeah.

[999] Like, it feels.

[1000] fits so well.

[1001] It feels like you're holding.

[1002] Like this little thing you've got here for people that are just listening.

[1003] There's an initial smoothness in the front and then there's like this little bump and then it's thicker at the bottom and it just locks in your hand and it just feels perfect.

[1004] So I was inspired to do that by a maker named Claude Beauchampi.

[1005] He's a Belgian maker.

[1006] I first met him.

[1007] Oh, Claude.

[1008] Claude.

[1009] Claude Bonchonvi.

[1010] He is a wrong.

[1011] He is a, he's a, he he's a belgian maker he the first time i met him was at blade show which is a huge knife exposition it's the biggest one in the world that happens down in atlanta every year the first weekend of june he was my table neighbor and i never told him the story but uh the first time i saw his knives i was like the blades and everything look great but that the handle looks fucking weird as shit this handle yeah very similar to that handle his has more of like a nice gentle curve around to the end instead of kind of how that one's kind of at a clip or an angle and so finally like on the third day of the show this really great maker that I look up to came over and he was just like doting over Claude's work and I was like all right there must be something and I have any I'm I feel like such an asshole like I didn't even touch the stuff I was just looking at it and judging and I picked it up I was like what it was a totally like what the fuck right because that same feeling that you have when you're holding that it feels perfect I was like it totally shifted my entire mindset and paradigm around what I thought handle shapes should look and feel like and that is definitely inspired continued especially for like hard use knives like especially like for a bigger blade like a bush knife that you're trying to chop through stuff with a handle like that is going to benefit you immensely because it just it feels like a natural extension of your hand and is this your your logo etched into the bottom?

[1012] It's my insignia.

[1013] My name's Marco Malmasi.

[1014] It's two M's kind of swirling around each other.

[1015] And it looks kind of like a flame.

[1016] Dude, I'm such a dork for this shit.

[1017] I love it.

[1018] It's so interesting, man. And the handle, too, there's something about the handle being made out of antler.

[1019] Like the antler, the feel that it has in your hand, too.

[1020] The organic materials.

[1021] Yeah, organic, especially antler and bone, they have this kind of like, I don't know if you've experienced it with these, especially cutting up the, like, the greasy meat, but it has a grip to it.

[1022] It does.

[1023] It stays grippy.

[1024] It doesn't become super slippery or anything.

[1025] The handle on my bow is actually made out of antler.

[1026] I had it custom made.

[1027] My friend John Dudley had these ones made from a bull that he killed on September 11, 2001.

[1028] It's the 9 -11 bull, and he had these handles made out of the antlers of this and it does the way it sits in your hand it's like it's got an even if you're sweaty or you know there's something you know it's raining out it just has an extra grip to it well and especially something like that like if you're skinny or breaking down an animal like it's important but it's not going to like it's not like one of those moments where you're relying on that grip for your life right but when you do need that for your life like you're trying to do or like you're digging the ground you're falling down on the hillside and you're trying to jab it and get a hold, like, that's going to be really important.

[1029] But obviously, that's a very rare incident when that one happened.

[1030] Well, it's just something cool about it, too.

[1031] Well, and just, like, the tactility, though.

[1032] It's just, again, it goes back to the, essentially, the user experience.

[1033] Like, what does it feel like?

[1034] How is it different?

[1035] Like, it really does make a difference.

[1036] Yeah, and one of the cool things to me also about antlers is that they shed them, you know, that they lose these things.

[1037] things every year and that every year they grow a new one do you know that it's the fastest growing organic material on earth no i didn't know that that shit right there that giant elk antler that grows in a couple months i didn't know that yeah falls off right they lose it after they're done rutting so after they're done running i thought it was like they fell off and they just kind of immediately started like kind of slowly growing up they grow the whole thing back in a couple months it's radical see if you find a video that shows elk antler growth time lapse because it's crazy how fast it grows and it's all just for war i mean that's all that is it's to show off for the ladies hey and it's also for war it's interesting deer yeah that guy he had look at my rack yeah he had that rack just so he could fuck people up or fuck people but also elk yeah and definitely people you get close to him Fuck me up.

[1038] But look at that.

[1039] The following photos were taken about a week apart over a period.

[1040] Look at this.

[1041] April 1st.

[1042] Now check this out.

[1043] Watch.

[1044] Just have it play out there.

[1045] It says over four months, they show the incredible girl.

[1046] So April 1st, watch this.

[1047] Is it like at a farm?

[1048] That looks like it is.

[1049] Looks like it's an elk farm.

[1050] Just let it play out.

[1051] April 8th.

[1052] Boom.

[1053] So seven days later.

[1054] Look at that.

[1055] April 15th.

[1056] Bang.

[1057] Look how big that shit is.

[1058] Oh shit.

[1059] April 27.

[1060] second it's getting crazy boom april 29th that's nuts boom may 6th holy shit i know nuts nuts may 13 kapow what motherfucker may 20th getting crazy yeah may 25th yeah june 4th right he's getting ready to go to war june 10th he's thinking about pussy look at that he's like now now i'm thinking about some pussy June 17th, I will fuck a dude up comes near me. June 24th, look at that.

[1061] And then July 1st.

[1062] That is crazy.

[1063] What the fuck.

[1064] It's crazy.

[1065] And that's not even done.

[1066] July 8th, July 15th.

[1067] Now he's basically still in velvet.

[1068] Right.

[1069] And then July 22nd, that looks hardhorned to me. That looks like he shed his velvet.

[1070] And then July 29th.

[1071] Isn't that nuts?

[1072] Bizarre.

[1073] So by the time August rolls around, they're like right now, beginning of September, they're in hardhorned.

[1074] and they'll go to war and they'll keep that shit for, you know, until the end of December, probably December, I think, maybe January, and then they'll lose it.

[1075] So it's the fastest growing organic material?

[1076] Yes.

[1077] By volume, weight?

[1078] Yes.

[1079] Okay.

[1080] Yeah, I think by all those things, because it grows so fast and it's so heavy.

[1081] I mean, that's like 40 pounds just of antlers.

[1082] Yeah.

[1083] And it grows over a couple months.

[1084] Yeah.

[1085] It's fucking nuts, man. Seeing pictures.

[1086] I might have made that up about the fastest growing organic material, but I think it's true.

[1087] I'm looking.

[1088] It says the first fun fact I found that they can grow 10 pounds of velvet per year.

[1089] That's just the velvet.

[1090] Just the velvet.

[1091] Yeah.

[1092] Hmm.

[1093] Yeah, but that's probably because it's a velvet farm.

[1094] You know, they use that stuff for human growth hormone.

[1095] Like a lot of baseball players were taking on a shit.

[1096] Yeah, a friend of mine, my friend John Rivett, shout out to Johnny Rivet.

[1097] He lives in Alberta in his.

[1098] One of his friends had an elk farm up there in Alberta, and he grew elk not for the meat, but for the velvet.

[1099] Because that stuff that grows grows so fast and so ridiculously potent that they would take antler velvet, and they would turn it into a spray that would equal the effects of human growth hormone.

[1100] How could you do that across me?

[1101] She's like that.

[1102] I don't know.

[1103] But athletes were taking it.

[1104] athletes were taking this stuff and it was having this growth hormone reaction in their body aches and like it sounds like it's superficial son get swole kid is it applied superficially or they like squirted in the house you know i'm too stupid to be answering your questions but um there's something about deer velvet that was uh for quite you know i don't even know if it worked but it was a big thing in the uh the supplement and fitness industry that people were getting deer velvet the new I bought it that you spray it And it's supposed to give you Growth hormone What do you think of that holy beer?

[1105] Have you had an holy beer before?

[1106] Yeah, I have.

[1107] It's great.

[1108] It's great.

[1109] Olympia.

[1110] Yeah.

[1111] Is this from Olympia, Washington?

[1112] Is that what it is?

[1113] Originally, yeah.

[1114] I think it's brewed in Milwaukee now.

[1115] What the fuck?

[1116] I know.

[1117] Everything's being sourced overseas.

[1118] I mean, what?

[1119] You're from the Pacific Northwest, but now you live in Connecticut.

[1120] The state I shit on the most.

[1121] There's a whole video out there of me shit on Connecticut, like people who have made a compilation of me shit on Connecticut.

[1122] I'm sure plenty of it's warranted.

[1123] Yeah, there's all of it.

[1124] Shout out to my good friend Tommy Jr. I finally found it.

[1125] So I think it's just antlers in general are the fastest growing tissue in any mammal.

[1126] Yeah, and then elk antler is the fastest growing out of all of them because it's the largest.

[1127] So it grows in the same amount of time that a deer would grow its antlers, but it's far larger, you know, like, if that was a deer.

[1128] Even more mass than a moose?

[1129] Uh, no, no, deer would be bigger.

[1130] A moose would be bigger.

[1131] Some moose.

[1132] Cause those motherfuckers are huge.

[1133] Yeah, they're the biggest.

[1134] They're the biggest of all of the deer species.

[1135] Like, by far, you know, I think like a full grown Yukon moose could be as much as 2 ,000 pounds.

[1136] A really big Rocky Mountain elk under normal circumstances is like a fucking and giant one is pushing 1 ,000.

[1137] Jesus.

[1138] It's a giant, though.

[1139] That'd be like a 400 -inch bowl.

[1140] Like that one that's out in the front, the inches, the measurement of the size of the inches of the antler.

[1141] Do you see that one that's in the front?

[1142] Yeah, yeah.

[1143] That's considerably bigger than this one.

[1144] The one out in the front is 382 inches.

[1145] That's a giant bull.

[1146] And that fucker was about 1 ,000 pounds.

[1147] He was huge.

[1148] Huge.

[1149] Moose is bigger.

[1150] Moose is twice as big.

[1151] moose would see that thing go shut the fuck up bitch and you'd go I gotta go and they just start running but moose they're the weird thing about a moose is their antlers are like a door you know it's basically like they're so fat and thin it's not like pokey I mean they're basically like they're hitting each other in the head with doors they're like big old gloves yeah but you've seen have you seen I've seen a few pictures where especially the moose their antlers get locked up and they're fucking stuck more deer than moose because the design of a moose's antlers is like it's not as intertwined but with deer it happens all the time because there's a little bit of flex to the bone sure and so the clash and in the force of the two of them slamming in each other they get stuck CTE well they drown they've they've fought like that and then you know wrestled and wound up in the water and wound up drowning there's a horrible video I saw of two deer that got stuck and And one of them got killed by a coyote, not just a coyote, a whole pack of them, torn to shreds.

[1152] They tore them, and they eat them asshole first, as I've documented many times in this podcast.

[1153] I feel like a lot of animals go for the butt first.

[1154] Well, yeah, lions do.

[1155] Yeah, a lot of them do.

[1156] I don't know what that's all about.

[1157] But the one deer was still attached to his dead friend, and these hunters had to help it get released.

[1158] sawed one of the antlers off the other deer, this dead deer, and freed it, and then this other one ran off.

[1159] Like, what a nightmare that guy's lived through.

[1160] Right.

[1161] You know, his buddy gets his asshole torn apart.

[1162] They literally eating them alive while he's stuck to the guy.

[1163] Oh, my God.

[1164] Probably fighting them off of him as well, kicking.

[1165] And it could have, I mean, you talk about could have easily been you.

[1166] I mean, literally could have easily been you.

[1167] There's two deer.

[1168] One of them gets eaten alive.

[1169] And the other one's just sitting there, like, living with the horror.

[1170] Right.

[1171] And then these people come over, and he can't get away from the fucking people.

[1172] And he's like, these people are going to eat me. And they don't even eat them.

[1173] They let them go.

[1174] And they're hunters.

[1175] They freed him up and let him loose.

[1176] Crazy.

[1177] Yeah.

[1178] You got that?

[1179] Oh, there's one.

[1180] That elk got stuck with a dead elk.

[1181] That's a dead elk.

[1182] That's an elk head that's stuck on the other elks.

[1183] But see, I don't know what that was.

[1184] That, to me, makes me think that that could have very easily been.

[1185] like an elk found a dead elk and just started head buttoned and ripped its head off and got stuck with it they kill each other all the time right i mean all the time oh geez look at those racks dude when you see hear them fighting like one of the first times ever went elk hunting we were coming over this hill and it sounded like two dudes slamming baseball bats together just crack crack crack and when we came over the top of the hill these two giant elk were just running at each other and smashing each other.

[1186] It was a magical day.

[1187] It was like one of the first times I ever elk hunted.

[1188] And there's a thing that happens when you hit a peak rut.

[1189] And when the peak rut happens, they just go crazy all around you.

[1190] They're all screaming.

[1191] And it might only happen once in a season.

[1192] And you just, if you might be there for that couple of hours when it all goes down, what's insanity.

[1193] Insanity.

[1194] They're just all around you, screaming and headbunning each other.

[1195] I can't even imagine walking over the top of it.

[1196] the hill of, like, fucking stumbling across that.

[1197] Dude, you feel so vulnerable.

[1198] You're like, ah!

[1199] You just want to hide behind a tree.

[1200] I'm not supposed to be seeing this right now.

[1201] And they're screaming at each other, and they're so big, man. They're screeches and insane.

[1202] Yeah, there's two going at it right there.

[1203] And you hear him.

[1204] They just clash and slamming each other.

[1205] Oh, yeah.

[1206] You hear that?

[1207] It's...

[1208] Oh, jeez.

[1209] The poor guy's going to...

[1210] I was in the wrong spot.

[1211] Like, fuck, man. And they don't even know he's alive.

[1212] You know, and they kill each other all the time.

[1213] And the hormones they got going on.

[1214] They're just like, I don't give a fuck about anything else.

[1215] Yeah, my friend Cam came across one last year, and he crept up on it.

[1216] He thought it was bedded, and he shot it with an arrow, and it didn't move.

[1217] And he's like, what the fuck?

[1218] And he got over to it.

[1219] It was already dead.

[1220] And another elk had stabbed it.

[1221] They stabbed it through the heart, and it lay down and died.

[1222] It happens all the time.

[1223] Sure.

[1224] They're always fine in them that other elk have murdered.

[1225] They don't think of all fuck.

[1226] They're just trying to get that pussy son.

[1227] Trying to get that pussy.

[1228] How much is the rut?

[1229] Is that a month?

[1230] Two months?

[1231] Just a month.

[1232] Maybe a little bit longer.

[1233] There's a second rut sometimes in October when another female will go into estrus.

[1234] And they'll resume the rut.

[1235] Yeah.

[1236] It's magical times.

[1237] Yeah.

[1238] I can't even imagine stumble across that.

[1239] It's pretty cool, man. It's pretty cool.

[1240] You know, the real wild, the actual.

[1241] real wild.

[1242] Well, you are in Connecticut, man. You got to worry about two things.

[1243] Hitting a deer with your car and Lyme disease.

[1244] The Lyme disease.

[1245] Okay, so that's something that we didn't realize we're moving into for sure.

[1246] Oh, man. I wish I told you because you and I were going back and forth when you were about to move.

[1247] Right.

[1248] Yeah, that was definitely one of the things that we're like, wait, what?

[1249] They're everywhere.

[1250] Everywhere.

[1251] Ticks.

[1252] If you're listening to this, Anywhere in the East Coast, especially New York, has got it really bad.

[1253] I mean, there's a Lyme disease map, and you see, like, the instances of Lyme disease on the East Coast.

[1254] It's horrific, man. Yeah.

[1255] And I know fucking at least a dozen people that have it, and it stays with you for life.

[1256] Yeah.

[1257] And my friend Jim Miller, he's a guy who fights in the UFC, he's got to take a giant fistful of pills every day.

[1258] I mean, he's got it real bad, real bad.

[1259] And he's still fighting.

[1260] Still fighting in the UFC.

[1261] And those deer, too, I've been worried about.

[1262] Actually, when we were, especially when we were moving out, because I was driving through Pennsylvania.

[1263] I hit Pennsylvania, like, we drove cross -country at sunset and drove from there all the way to Connecticut in dark.

[1264] And all I could think is like, I'm going to fucking hit a deer.

[1265] You see so many of them, right?

[1266] You see so many dead ones on the side of the fucking road.

[1267] Yeah.

[1268] Blows my mind.

[1269] But the biggest issue has been actually other Connecticut drivers is the biggest concern.

[1270] My wife and I both have been T -boned in the last eight months.

[1271] People in Connecticut, they're just giving up, man. They're just hitting the gas and closing their eyes.

[1272] Well, what's crazy is like I've driven, I've driven in L .A., I've driven in New York.

[1273] I've driven in fucking Oregon, Seattle, all kinds of crazy places.

[1274] But they all have like a culture about how they work.

[1275] And I could not figure out Connecticut.

[1276] And a friend finally explained it to me. He said, they're driving as if no more.

[1277] else is on the road i was like holy shit that makes perfect sense the what the choices they make are as if nobody else is there i'll be coming up in the passing lane somebody's in a lane to the right of me there's no exits coming up there's no other cars for like half a mile i'm cruising probably like five 10 miles faster than them they change lanes right in front of me why you know why because like say if you um you're let's let's say there's a thing that you're making like in a epoxy right when you're making an epoxy there's several ingredients that you have to add to it or maybe that's not the best example like say maybe there's uh electronics just whatever it is that you're you're making so if you're making a thing and it requires 10 different ingredients if you're a person in connecticut you have eight ingredients you don't have those of the two and you just do with it without you just deal with it you're just missing two things and you just hit the gas and just drive places and no one knows what they're doing and it's it's not a real state it's just not well and what's also bonkers that we weren't expecting is that like unless you're driving 15 to 20 miles over the speed limit you're going too slow or uh like a stoplight and stop signs are suggestion people use right or left turn they don't even know why they're speeding man they don't know where Where are they going?

[1278] They don't understand.

[1279] The state's so small, you could drive through the state in two and a half hours.

[1280] They're missing all sorts of stuff.

[1281] They're just so confused.

[1282] No, and I'm not trying to sit here and shit on fucking Connecticut.

[1283] Too late.

[1284] It's just, those things haven't been a serious culture shock for us.

[1285] Yeah, it's despair.

[1286] Despair.

[1287] They hit the gas.

[1288] What's crazy is it's a fucking beautiful state.

[1289] Gorgeous.

[1290] Yeah, especially in the summer, man. It's terrifying trying to drive around that fucking place.

[1291] And you get out of your car, you get bit by a thousand ticks, and you fucking can't walk anymore.

[1292] The humidity, too.

[1293] I was not expecting that.

[1294] It's great on your balls, right?

[1295] That ball sweat.

[1296] Yesterday I was in my shop.

[1297] I wasn't doing shit.

[1298] Like, I could have just been sitting here and, like, fiddling around.

[1299] I was sweating my ass off.

[1300] Summers are rough.

[1301] I was just every, I was just like, in East Coast.

[1302] Florida?

[1303] What the hell?

[1304] Yeah, well, you're used to, you know, that Pacific Northwest doesn't really get that hot.

[1305] And the summers are glorious.

[1306] Like Seattle and Oregon summers.

[1307] God, they're glorious.

[1308] Everything's fucking neon green and the sun comes out.

[1309] It's amazing.

[1310] It almost, almost makes up for the winter, but not quite.

[1311] The lack of winter?

[1312] Well, just the rain.

[1313] Just the rain.

[1314] It's not stop raining.

[1315] There is a winter.

[1316] It's just, it's not frozen.

[1317] It's tempered.

[1318] But it's just gray and doom.

[1319] And you're like, I could do this.

[1320] I could hang in there.

[1321] And then the summer comes.

[1322] You're like, hey, it's going to be fine.

[1323] But you're like a beaten wife Waiting for your husband to come home You're like, hey, he's not home now And I've got a great house Yeah But he's coming home He's coming home He's gonna be home for eight months Yeah He's just gonna piss on your hair For eight months It's just eight months of clouds That's a fucking craft beers And just everybody's shooting themselves It's dark up there man I don't think people are meant to live like that I mean I think it's gorgeous And there's benefits to it for sure Yeah But I had a buddy of mine He tried to convince me to live up there It's hilarious, my friend Salami He moved to Portland That's his name He tried to move to Portland He did move to Portland He's teaching Jiu -Jitsu up there It's like dude I love it It's fucking great up here It's fucking amazing I go you don't mind about the winter You don't mind about the rain He goes no He goes dude the people are so fucking cool The restaurants are amazing And the summers are so good Three years later he's back in L .A I go what happened?

[1324] He goes I couldn't do it man Couldn't do it anymore I go, ah, I see.

[1325] So it's a thing.

[1326] It's like you hang in there for as long as you can, but you can't hang in there forever.

[1327] Is that what it is?

[1328] But some people can.

[1329] I can hang.

[1330] You know, a lot of people have, what is it?

[1331] You grew up there, though.

[1332] You grew up there, though.

[1333] Do you think it's because you grew up there?

[1334] I don't think so, because my sister and my mom both grew up there, too, my wife even.

[1335] They can't handle it.

[1336] They hate it, especially the wintertime.

[1337] The winter time.

[1338] When it is that dark gray, like, it doesn't snow.

[1339] It just rains.

[1340] It just gets dark.

[1341] I guess I think part of my issue is, like I said, I always worked in restaurants or in a shop.

[1342] So it's like I'm in a virtual cave all the fucking time.

[1343] I'm not experiencing that except for the drive home or to work.

[1344] What's up, Jamie?

[1345] He just said sad.

[1346] And as I was looking up, seasonal affective disorder.

[1347] That's the acronym they give is.

[1348] Yeah.

[1349] That's what it is, bro.

[1350] That shit's real.

[1351] I mean, they probably called it that on.

[1352] purpose i mean i don't think they needed to call it seasonal effective disorder that's not the best feel like shit because of the rain disease well something isn't it something about like the lack of vitamin d i'll tell you what though there's light therapy i'll take it over connecticut all day i'll take seattle over connecticut all day you know what i dream about sometimes is denver in connecticut i lived in denver for only A few months.

[1353] People that live in Connecticut right now are going, what the fuck, dude?

[1354] The running gag, folks.

[1355] I don't really care.

[1356] No, actually, when we first moved to Connecticut.

[1357] Denver's fucking beautiful.

[1358] I fucking love Denver.

[1359] Love it.

[1360] Love it.

[1361] When I first moved there, I thought, so I grew up in Washington right at the base of the Puget Sound, water around.

[1362] I actually used to, like, sail on a racing team and stuff like that.

[1363] Oh, wow.

[1364] I'm going to miss the water so much, and it was so green, too.

[1365] I got there, and I was like, I don't think I care about the water.

[1366] I care about the green.

[1367] But the second, the spring rains hit, everything turned green, all the trees started blossomed.

[1368] I was like, holy shit.

[1369] And it was beautiful.

[1370] Beautiful.

[1371] The only thing I hated about Denver, everybody had a fucking dog, and nobody cleaned up the dog shit.

[1372] Oh, that's not.

[1373] That was the one everywhere.

[1374] Lazy bitches.

[1375] I just didn't understand it.

[1376] It was like, what the fuck do you got a dog?

[1377] You're not going to do it.

[1378] It's probably worse now because all the free pot.

[1379] All the legal pot.

[1380] It's everything.

[1381] But you know what it has that's amazing, man, is the view of the mountains.

[1382] There's something about being right there and seeing those rockies that just like humbles you.

[1383] It puts it in perspective.

[1384] Well, that's what being in Puget sounds like as well.

[1385] Because you always got Mount Rainier.

[1386] Right.

[1387] It's crazy.

[1388] Like the road, the cities were engineered.

[1389] So like you're coming up and downhills and like boom, the fucking mountains right.

[1390] And it's a monster.

[1391] Mount Rainier is a monster.

[1392] Yeah, that's amazing, man. We went up looking for Bigfoot up there once, me and Duncan.

[1393] Yeah, we found them.

[1394] We just didn't want to tell anybody.

[1395] Yeah, that area, too, is so densely wooded.

[1396] It's really incredible.

[1397] When you go walking through the woods, like, you don't make any sound when you walk, and you don't leave any footprints because there's just, like, feet thick of pine needles and moss.

[1398] This is so soft and it's interesting.

[1399] Lush.

[1400] And filled with elk, man. There's elk everywhere up there.

[1401] And, like, they run, they run like 30 feet, and you can't see them anymore.

[1402] Because there's just, like, so many trees.

[1403] They're fucking gone.

[1404] My in -laws, they live south of Olympia, and they have 16 acres out there where they live.

[1405] And, like, three or, I think it's, like, four or five that are, like, cleared for, like, a field and a barn and the house and stuff.

[1406] Rest of it's all wooden.

[1407] Wow.

[1408] Then they got black bears that cruise through there, large cats are, like, bobcats and lynx and shit.

[1409] And elk, for sure.

[1410] And they have an orchard, and the elk are just out there standing on their high and, like, eating that shit up.

[1411] They're beautiful.

[1412] They're cool to watch, too.

[1413] Yeah.

[1414] That's, I mean, that is a lush tropical rainforest up there.

[1415] It's so wild.

[1416] It's so interesting, too.

[1417] When you're up there, you realize, like, how diverse it is with life when you're walking around in it.

[1418] And you see just elk shit everywhere.

[1419] You go walking through the woods.

[1420] It's just infested with them.

[1421] There piles all these little pellets.

[1422] Little marbles.

[1423] Yeah.

[1424] Yeah.

[1425] It looks like milked out.

[1426] There's so much life up there.

[1427] There's so much life up there.

[1428] there's so much salmon there's eagles up there i mean it's gorgeous man yet here you are in fucking connecticut bro mushroom hunting there's all kinds of stuff like you can really live off the land there's some great spots go chantrelling in olympia area sure love getting out in the woods and just walking around it's it's actually been really cool to take it especially when we go back in the summertime and especially in the summertime to go visit family uh to take my little dude uh my son's two years old he just turned two and so walking with him and he just fucking love walking through the and you don't have to worry about the fucking ticks right and you get lime and shit like that you can go out there roll around all you want but going up they have a nice little like quarter mile trail goes up through the woods and you just walk through that thing he just marches along the whole fucking way and just that experience of stopping and listening you can hear the red tail hawk crying over the top of everything else and then you they have great horn owls from time to time that cruise the woods there you can hear their little chipmunk and red squirrels, you can hear the fucking crows and the stellar jays and yeah everything and stopping and telling him you hear that you hear that and he just stops and he's so intense and it's wild to see a little kid who's so fucking rambunctious when he's in the house but you get him out into the woods oh wow him with senses he's just listening there's so much sensory input right it's so cool yeah isn't amazing too looking at it through the eyes of your child just watching them experiencing all these things.

[1429] It's like you can almost see the little cogs turning in the head.

[1430] They're just like, oh, shit.

[1431] No, it's amazing.

[1432] That's one thing that I didn't anticipate before we had children.

[1433] It's like watching them learn.

[1434] Like, oh, wow, like there's a crazy trip you get out of watching kids learn.

[1435] You know, there's something about, like, you learn, watching them learn.

[1436] And it really sort of reinforces this idea.

[1437] that every human being is essentially, I mean, they're not a blank slate, but they are most certainly subject to the influences of their environment and what they experience.

[1438] Especially at those ages.

[1439] They take that data in.

[1440] Dude, it's crazy.

[1441] Like, we have, he loves maps.

[1442] We got.

[1443] Maps.

[1444] Maps.

[1445] Yeah, we got, you know how, like, a lot of kids get those, like, bedroom mats that have, like, the roads and stuff?

[1446] We got one of the world, like, the globe.

[1447] And none of that countries are marked out on it or anything.

[1448] but we knew some of the spots and so we started teaching he knows where like over a hundred different countries are like he knows where they're at he knows where they're at he can point out the difference between Cambodia Guam Vietnam Nepal Russia Russia and China are pretty easy but then you go over Europe he's like hungry turkey Greek he knows he knows where Portugal is he knows I can show you three I can tell you where Africa is I'm pretty sure I know the difference You're in Australia, New Zealand.

[1449] The only reason I know them is because I'm playing the game with him.

[1450] So we got more maps that have, like, the world again, but everything's marked out.

[1451] And he's starting to learn all the different flags.

[1452] That's crazy.

[1453] He knows, like, at least a dozen in the different flags.

[1454] They're so open, you know.

[1455] Children, I mean, they learn language so quick.

[1456] They're so open.

[1457] You think about kids learn language by the time they go to school.

[1458] They already know how to talk.

[1459] Yeah.

[1460] You know, they don't learn school.

[1461] They just learn how to talk.

[1462] Well, my wife has her master's degree at the university level for teaching English as a second language.

[1463] So, and she's with him all day long.

[1464] Oh, wow.

[1465] And so, and she comes from a family of teachers, her parents, both of her parents, her sister, her great -grandmother, or sorry, her grandmother, all educators.

[1466] Oh, this must be amazing for her to be a mom then.

[1467] Yeah, and so, like, I mean, she's with a dude all day long.

[1468] Like, she fucking loves the shit of him, but, you know, like, you try spending fucking day in and day out with the little.

[1469] little dude like they're little they're little fucking numskills running around and trying to learn how to interact with the world yeah it's fucking crazy but it's so cool and and with that background understanding how to interpret what's going on in his brain a little bit so to help nourish it essentially to help like you know just make things that much more solid like it's fucking crazy and he speaks so clearly that's awesome so listen I got to get out of here but I know you have a blind auction.

[1470] You have, you, why don't you go grab those knives so we can show.

[1471] Yeah, I'll go go grab those real quick.

[1472] Grab them real quick and we'll tell people about the auction.

[1473] But he's got these fucking killer knives that he's made these chef's knives.

[1474] Is that the one that's going up?

[1475] I think so.

[1476] God, look how beautiful that is.

[1477] We're looking at his a mousey fire arts Instagram page and the design, the pattern on this chef's knife, it doesn't even look real, folks.

[1478] I mean, it looks like someone's, it looks like someone put like one of those crazy cartoon filters.

[1479] Oh, yeah.

[1480] Doesn't it?

[1481] Is that it?

[1482] That's the knife right there.

[1483] So, there's that one.

[1484] So people can see it.

[1485] Here it is right here.

[1486] I'm holding it up.

[1487] So this knife is for auction.

[1488] No, actually, so this is not that one is not.

[1489] This one here in the cases.

[1490] You can pull that out.

[1491] And how can people auction?

[1492] How can people bid on this?

[1493] So this is for benefit for Alex's The Alex, or sorry, L .A. loves Alex's lemonade stand, which is for childhood cancer research.

[1494] And so online, it smells good.

[1495] If you go to my Instagram profile, Mount Walsy Fire Arts on Instagram, I have a link actually in my bio that goes straight to the auction page for this knife.

[1496] Now, these knives are, right now my current prices, this one knife is $4 ,200.

[1497] but right now I think the bidding is at like oh there it is 2100 so there's a chance that somebody could get it for less than what I would normally value it at when does it end when is the auction ends on Saturday the 8th so that's when the actual event is and I'm actually going to be there at the event hanging out if anybody's got any questions about it talk about it or you know just kind of hang out that's dope folks but you know it's interesting like doing this kind of work is the first time I've ever had anything that I felt like I could give back with because otherwise like I always just did shitty little jobs but this is the first time I feel like I have something I can offer so and coming up from very little very humble beginnings this was an opportunity now to feel like I can give back and so that's very cool I try to do this from time to time for sure well listen man I'm glad we finally got together and thank you for making me these awesome knives I will cherish them forever your fun amazing craftsman and it was cool to do this.

[1498] Thanks for being here.

[1499] All right, folks.

[1500] We'll be back soon, you fucks.

[1501] Bye.

[1502] Bye -bye.