#1882 - Iliza Shlesinger

[0] Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

[1] The Joe Rogan Experience.

[2] Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[3] This room and office have gotten more and more Texas.

[4] Has it?

[5] Yes.

[6] How so?

[7] Well, I thought that was a jackaloupe, but it's not.

[8] It's probably...

[9] It's a mule deer.

[10] That you ran down yourself and strangled.

[11] No. I just shot it.

[12] I thought it was a jackalo, which is a very Texas thing.

[13] But it's, you know, you've got...

[14] You've got, like, the Mexican sugar skulls, and then you've got a lot.

[15] Do you have a picture of Willie Nelson somewhere?

[16] No. Okay.

[17] He probably should.

[18] You need to.

[19] I'm sure he owned this land at some point.

[20] You got like the, it's that very desert conspiracy, alien, rugged.

[21] It's like a convergence of a lot of Texas things.

[22] And it's very tight.

[23] I'm from here.

[24] I get it.

[25] Even the Joe Rogan Experience sign looks like a movie theater gas station marquee.

[26] Yeah, that was actually a gift by a friend of mine.

[27] I believe it.

[28] And so when he gave it to me, I was like, that would be perfect right behind me. Right behind you.

[29] So people know what they're looking at.

[30] Yeah.

[31] Plus, it's cool.

[32] It's the drug working experience, baby.

[33] What's going on with you?

[34] How are you living?

[35] Large.

[36] Large but toned.

[37] Toned.

[38] Living tone.

[39] That's whatever.

[40] That's the girl answer.

[41] Like large, not taking up too much space, but I'm owning it.

[42] Yeah, girls don't want to live large, right?

[43] You don't want to say large.

[44] I get, unless you're like, that's the frame.

[45] You want to be taking up metaphysical space, but also toned.

[46] Unless it's big girl summer.

[47] Big, yo, I'm all for a big girl summer I'm all for a gross girl summer I'm all for No one actually cares Gross girl summer No one's actually tried that, have they?

[48] I don't think you have to try I think you just are gross girl Right And you just don't bring it up Don't bring it up And just exist in your cave And be like I'm just gross girl Enjoying my cheese So your book's out?

[49] My book, all things Which I gave you a copy of Yeah You leave it in the bathroom?

[50] No, no, it's on the bookshelf out there My book all things aside absolutely correct opinions collection of personal essays is out on October 11th the same day as my Netflix special Hot Forever excited I'm pumped yeah like many comics I flew here to do this and then booked a bunch of stuff around it thanks for the bracelets thank you I'm surprised they fit they do they're stringy they have elastic but like I said I thought I think of putting a bracelet on you like a really vascular wolf and I thought the Beads would just go everywhere.

[51] So give them to your daughters when you're done stretching out.

[52] I will.

[53] Give them to them.

[54] They'll be mad that I wore it.

[55] Yeah, because you've got like gross dad juices on it.

[56] Yeah, it smells like a man. The worst is, I will say, now that I'm a mother, my husband is a father, I've noticed the bites he takes of my food when I share with him are like big dad bites.

[57] Like nothing will infuriate a little girl more than when your dad takes a bite of your food.

[58] And it's like a moose hunk out of it.

[59] And you're like, it was just for a little bite.

[60] because dad's have big jaws.

[61] So he takes food from you?

[62] How is this going on?

[63] I'll just be like, oh, do you want to try it?

[64] He'll be like, okay, and it will be like out of a peach and it'll be like a fucking horse bite.

[65] And I'm like, okay, well, that was half the meal.

[66] Well, he's a chef, so he probably really enjoys food.

[67] So it's normal.

[68] Well, I don't know.

[69] I'm like, just do a deer lick.

[70] It doesn't have to be this Jurassic chomp taken half of it.

[71] And I remember growing up, if my dad took a bite of my ice cream, it was like full camel lips over the whole thing and just lift it up.

[72] You'll see.

[73] Your kids get upset when you take a big bite of their food.

[74] I don't take their food.

[75] Okay, taking samples.

[76] I don't take bites of their food.

[77] Oh, really?

[78] No. Unless they offer.

[79] They offer me something.

[80] I'll take it.

[81] I feel like you don't eat sugar.

[82] I eat a little bit of sugar every now and then.

[83] It's like protein ice cream.

[84] It's like, I like treats.

[85] It's good.

[86] What kind of treat does Joe Rogan eat?

[87] I like ice cream.

[88] But you like a dark chocolate.

[89] Yeah.

[90] Yeah.

[91] You like the least.

[92] fun version.

[93] No, dark chocolate's fun.

[94] That's spoken like an anorexic woman.

[95] With hot fudge and whipped cream on it?

[96] What?

[97] So you actually like the flavor of dark chocolate?

[98] You like bitterness.

[99] I like a little bitterness.

[100] She just lick a stick.

[101] I like dark chocolate mixed with peanut butter.

[102] That's what I like.

[103] I like to take a bar of dark chocolate.

[104] Yeah.

[105] You know, like that like fucking 80 % cacao chocolate, just dipping into peanut butter.

[106] It reminds me of I don't want to, this is the only way I can shit on this because I think he's great.

[107] When you look at the Rock's Instagram.

[108] I have to say this publicly because I respect this person so much.

[109] His cheat day meals really bother me. They're insane.

[110] They're insane, but they're not indulgent.

[111] I'm sorry.

[112] It'll be like.

[113] It has like giant pancakes and cookies.

[114] They don't look like regular pancakes.

[115] They don't?

[116] It's never like buttermilk whipped cream.

[117] It's like protein, coconut, pineapple with like flavonoid peanut butter and then taramana tequila.

[118] Like it's never like the full indulgence.

[119] and turkey bacon.

[120] That's an indulgence.

[121] He has turkey bacon?

[122] Lots of it.

[123] I'm just like, let loose.

[124] Like, where's that block of cheese and like an IV of chili?

[125] Well, he'll have like a giant tray of sushi.

[126] But it's garbage.

[127] Dwayne, you have millions of dollars.

[128] Like, it's Costco sushi.

[129] Really?

[130] It just doesn't look.

[131] It's like a rainbow roll and, like, you can afford the best sushi.

[132] That's what he likes?

[133] No. No, he doesn't like it.

[134] Something's up there.

[135] You think?

[136] I just, I want, as a wish fulfillment, when I look at that, I want to see full indulgence, not like protein -powered, plant -based peanut butter.

[137] I don't think that's what he does.

[138] Go to his Instagram.

[139] I'm waiting with this most recent one.

[140] Cheap mails.

[141] It's in a video, so he's getting until he's talking.

[142] But there's he got there.

[143] He does have turkey bacon.

[144] Okay, like, is this fun for you?

[145] Turkey bacon's bullshit.

[146] Here's a whole family of chickens, a wheat -free corn muffin.

[147] That's what I'm saying.

[148] What is that?

[149] This is no fun.

[150] Yeah, turkey bacon is definitely not fun.

[151] I don't understand it, but, you know, I mean, that's a guy that, like, literally makes his living off of being lean.

[152] I hear that, but I'm saying if you go to the top, I know this one recently, because this is something that I bond with my old assistant over is looking at his cheat meals.

[153] I think it's all the way at the top, or, you know, I don't know where it is now.

[154] It's these pancakes that just don't look right.

[155] Twain the Rock Johnson, I'm calling you out.

[156] They got, like, peanut butter, and it's, like, coconut.

[157] Coconut, to me is one of those, like, sugar substitute kind of things.

[158] That's what we got here Look at this That looks good Coconut banana Pancakes butter With peanut butter Blessed with maple syrup That's fucking pretty indulgent I don't know Something about it Because the peanut butter You could Like that's my protein Something about it I don't know He likes peanut butter Maybe it's just in your head Maybe you need to let it go You're trying to gaslight me What is your I'm trying to food shame this man You're trying to gaslight me?

[159] I don't think it's food shame It doesn't make any sense to me I'm just trying to like I'm trying to see your perspective But it doesn't I'm not seeing the full Caloric blast I'm seeing, I'm just, I'm wanting to see.

[160] That looks pretty fucking caloric.

[161] A full back of bacon.

[162] I'm wanting to see heavy whipped cream.

[163] Look at all that maple syrup.

[164] Fruit compote.

[165] You don't know, you don't see that bottle.

[166] You don't know what that is.

[167] That could be Elmer's glue and he doesn't either.

[168] You think it's like some sugar -free maple syrup?

[169] Is that what you're thinking?

[170] I think those are keto pancakes, sugar -free, agave tinted nectar, and creatine powder mixed in with nuts.

[171] I don't think so.

[172] Looks like regular pancakes.

[173] No way.

[174] Too chunky.

[175] Something's going on.

[176] Yeah?

[177] Something's going on, Joe.

[178] I don't know.

[179] looks normal to me okay I'm a pancake guy well thanks for having me I like well there you go in and out burgers fries double doubles with tequila that looks good it's a different meal yeah yeah that's solid right you want to go full indulgence you get those fries animal style yeah I'm not big fan of the animal you not either Jamie do you want to know the dirty secret about in and out okay it's this like iconic LA thing you live there yeah there's actually only like three of them and you can't go because the line is so long.

[180] So in your LA career, you will have eaten there maybe a little bit at the beginning, but you can't be bothered to wait in line with like the 4 ,000 teenagers in front of that high school where the one is on orange to like get your burger.

[181] I don't know about that.

[182] I would go to L. I mean, I went to the one in Woodland Hills like once a week.

[183] Yeah, that's Woodland Hills.

[184] That's not the same density.

[185] Yeah, but I was like a valley guy.

[186] I never really lived in the city.

[187] Talking about L .A. I'm talking about Hollywood Proper.

[188] I think Hollywood Proper is bad for you.

[189] it is there's too many people that's what I'm saying so you can't get the in and out yeah but you can just get a time it right you're like you just fly in your helicopter you land on the roof and you get your double double they're pretty efficient in moving that line there's that one that's near the 101 the one near Hollywood I don't always hit that one on the way home from the store yeah I don't live I didn't live in I don't live in Woodland Hills so my experience is a much more congested one yeah like I don't leave the house between the hours of like seven and ten or like 3 .30 until Christmas next year.

[190] Because there's too many humans.

[191] It's just too much.

[192] It's just too many people who don't understand urban etiquette.

[193] Too many people who don't.

[194] It's just too much.

[195] It's too congestive.

[196] What's urban etiquette?

[197] When you grow up in a city knowing like green means go, red means stop.

[198] Yellow is maybe you go adhering to the like civic laws versus like I'll just put my head down, open up candy crush and put my foot on the gas and just go.

[199] People are just walking whenever, going whenever.

[200] Well, there's just too many humans in L .A. And you lose value.

[201] Like, people become a, they become a, they become a nuisance rather than, like, your community.

[202] You know, it's like there's too many of them.

[203] I think you have to carve out your community and you spend a lot of time and effort to find, like, your little chunk of a hovel of a community.

[204] And I used to joke that everyone says L .A. is too many people.

[205] And then I thought, L .A. actually is the perfect amount of people because half of the moved to Austin and then a bunch of people died in the pandemic.

[206] The rest are intense.

[207] We have a...

[208] It's a lot.

[209] It's just everybody has a car.

[210] We don't have a great public transit.

[211] It's not like New York where everyone takes a public transit.

[212] Right.

[213] So...

[214] No, it's terrible.

[215] So when people complain about traffic in Austin, I'm like, this is a picnic.

[216] No. People that complain about traffic in Austin we're born here.

[217] They don't understand what traffic is.

[218] I've seen battle.

[219] Traffic here's a joke.

[220] I'll leave here at 5 o 'clock and drive home easy.

[221] Oh, yeah.

[222] It's nothing.

[223] It's great.

[224] Yeah.

[225] I was in the Uber yesterday.

[226] He's like, I apologize for the traffic.

[227] I'm like, I literally haven't.

[228] I didn't even know.

[229] It doesn't faze me. It's all relative, though.

[230] That's why people get used to L .A.'s traffic.

[231] The worst is Orange County people.

[232] That's fucking nightmare.

[233] Trying to get to Orange County and then try to get out of Orange County, get to L .A. That's a joke.

[234] Especially as a comic, it says your specific grind because, like, if you were going to play the Irvine Improv just for a quick gig, you have to leave it like one in the afternoon.

[235] Yeah.

[236] It's not technically a long drive.

[237] And then somehow in the over the decade, in the 17 years I've been doing comedy, the five is always under construction.

[238] You cannot get home from Orange.

[239] And kudos to them for working on it at night, not being like, let's just post up during work hours while everyone's driving.

[240] You cannot.

[241] They put you on some weird freeway that involves like a conveyor belt and a subterranean mule car.

[242] Like you cannot get home straight shot.

[243] Yeah.

[244] Some people are so mad in Orange County.

[245] They're like, how can she say that?

[246] Do you think you'll be in L .A. the rest of your life?

[247] No. No?

[248] Where are you going to go?

[249] I think about that.

[250] It's actually just talking to another comic who we said they applied for Canadian citizenship as like an exit strategy.

[251] Jesus Christ.

[252] Who the fuck is that?

[253] I'm not going to say it just in case for some reason it was a secret now that I'm thinking it.

[254] I'm not going to say it.

[255] I don't know.

[256] So everybody, first of all, it's always the threat.

[257] Like, I'm moving out of here.

[258] I'm torn between my duty as an end.

[259] American to stay and make this a better place, right?

[260] Stay and fight for what you believe and try and register people to vote, things like that.

[261] And I spent a month in Europe doing shows in October.

[262] And the first two weeks, I was like, these people get it.

[263] They understand relaxing.

[264] They understand the value of life.

[265] This is beautiful.

[266] And by that third week, I was like, give me my fucking check.

[267] I cannot die in this cafe.

[268] Like, why is there no CVS?

[269] Why can I not buy NyQuil?

[270] I think I'm too programmed as an American.

[271] to have everything when I need it and pay for the things that I need.

[272] Like, my husband got really sick and we had to go to emergency room in Sweden.

[273] And they just left him there in a room for like five hours.

[274] And part of me was like, you're doing this because he's American.

[275] But then I was like, can we call a doctor?

[276] I'll pay for a doctor.

[277] As you would, if you were sick, you'd have someone come.

[278] This is not, we do not do this.

[279] Socialized medicine.

[280] But someone, I was like, what if a celebrity comes here and they need something and they're only, like, we had.

[281] John Cleese and he came and he just waited.

[282] So that was a question you asked if a celebrity came?

[283] Seriously, like, what if somebody who, let's say Beyonce comes and she needs like a steroid shot?

[284] Not that I'm at Beyonce's level, but here I am as an American.

[285] I'm like, I'm willing to pay for something extra because he's sick.

[286] I'm pregnant so I can't catch what he has.

[287] How can we speed this up?

[288] I have a show.

[289] And they were like, he can just rot in this box.

[290] And I would still move to Sweden.

[291] I really love the people.

[292] but I was as an American that's used to being able to get what you need when you need it that was a tough one Yeah I think the difference is like Poor people in America probably have the experience too I'm gonna of course people are gonna DM this to me They're like you're a fucking bitch You I know I know we're teed up for that But you could if you had the resources And you could not make an appointment You can call a doctor I'm sure you've done it And so I was looking out for the You know Texas you'll appreciate this I was looking out for the life of my fetus and I was just like how do we get him some medicine so that he's not getting even sicker he was sick for like two full weeks were you over there touring what the show's like lit they were so the crowds were so good I did Portugal I did Sweden I did Norway and just one more thing they don't have medicine the way that we do here like they didn't have they don't give out drugs the way that we do there was no NyQuil like they don't give out strong pharmaceutical drugs like we do and so he couldn't take the things that he normally would take.

[293] And that was an interesting experience.

[294] So what do they give you?

[295] Some like Swedish sleeping pills.

[296] I don't remember what they gave him.

[297] Everything, you know, they don't, we always, our pharmaceuticals are just like built into our everyday lives.

[298] Like I, as a pregnant woman, went without any heartburn medicine.

[299] And I had to find like some special heartburn thing there because they don't have tums and it just like sticks in your teeth.

[300] And you're just like, I hope this works.

[301] And it did.

[302] What causes heartburn?

[303] Like, what do you get in heartburn from?

[304] Like acid reflux?

[305] Like just, well, when you're pregnant, the baby, everything's squished in.

[306] So your food sits.

[307] Like, you can't eat and then lay down.

[308] So it just kind of builds up.

[309] And so I get heartburn normally and I would just get it worse.

[310] So I was just chewing on these tablets.

[311] I'm thinking what they were called and they had them all over Europe.

[312] So it was just a...

[313] What the fuck is in those tablets?

[314] Like, what's in a tums?

[315] I'll tell you what.

[316] I don't know.

[317] But my baby was born with like a grown man's head of hair.

[318] Really?

[319] Like a full head of hair.

[320] And like already has like six teeth.

[321] She's eight months old.

[322] Wow.

[323] So it was those European heartburn tablets.

[324] Extra calcium baby.

[325] So like if you get heartburn in America, is it diet related?

[326] Is it stress related?

[327] Like, what gives you heartburn?

[328] You don't have heartburn ever?

[329] No. I guess I don't have it as much now.

[330] I think a lot of things can.

[331] I think for some people it is genetic.

[332] Like what's it feel like?

[333] It feels like there's something burning coming up your throat.

[334] That happens all the time with you?

[335] When I was pregnant, I got it a lot.

[336] Do you get it?

[337] Like before you were pregnant?

[338] Did you get it?

[339] There was a time where I got it a lot.

[340] And I can't tell you why, and I'm not positive why I don't get it as much now.

[341] Obviously, if you eat acidic foods, like tomato sauce, any sort of nightshade, like an eggplant, maybe that'll do it.

[342] Really?

[343] Heavy, greasy food.

[344] It can do it.

[345] Some people have it so bad.

[346] It can lead to esophageal cancer if it is a chronic thing.

[347] Wow.

[348] So the irritation is constant and then it causes cancer?

[349] For some people, it can lead to that.

[350] like that constant corrosion of that.

[351] I mean, I used to get it super bad, and I also had an E &T on speed dial just because I toured so much.

[352] So I think that's where I had like a textual relationship with my doctor, because if you have got a gig, you've got multiple shows, you lose your voice, and you need a steroid shot.

[353] So I guess that's what I mean when I talk about having someone.

[354] Do you get those?

[355] I have.

[356] Really?

[357] Oh, my God.

[358] I mean.

[359] Like a cortisone shot or something?

[360] And where do they put it?

[361] In your neck?

[362] Right in my tongue.

[363] No. it's in your arm and your butt and your arm and it's a steroid shot so you can't do more than a couple a year it's really they're not good for you because it just speeds everything up but like for the first day you're just like let's go like it's like rocket fuel and then you're taking it depends on what kind of if it's a Z pack or whatever but I've definitely had shows like I cannot miss it and my voice sounds like this and you got to get that shot and then just like grab your throat and pray and so that's a normal thing for you not now for some reason I think maybe I just learn to speak better on stage.

[364] I do less gobblingy voices.

[365] I take better care of myself now that I'm elderly and a mother.

[366] And I definitely don't, I never drank before I went on stage.

[367] It's not my thing.

[368] But I definitely, you guys are talking about sober October.

[369] I don't think I drink enough in the first place to even qualify participating.

[370] Bert sure does.

[371] Yeah.

[372] Yeah, Bert goes hard.

[373] But we started sober October really kind of to intervene with Bert's lifestyle and just try to see if we could just like at least one month a year.

[374] He could do it.

[375] Yeah, he does it.

[376] Yeah.

[377] We've done it like four or five years in a row.

[378] Don't they do like weight loss challenges?

[379] Yeah.

[380] Like him and time.

[381] Yeah.

[382] It's all a part of the thing.

[383] Gain the weight and then lose it and gain the way and the drinking.

[384] But that's part of the image too.

[385] Like what do you do when something is so part of your ethos and everything?

[386] Right.

[387] I think a lot of like I remember, I'm not going to say the comic.

[388] There's one comic I know who drinks some sort of brown liquor on stage, and he was like, it's iced tea.

[389] Like, at a certain point, you're like, I can't sustain this.

[390] Oh, that seems kind of fake.

[391] I mean, if it's part of a prop and it's part of a thing.

[392] Yeah, but just be real.

[393] Yo, I don't drink at all before shows.

[394] I keep it very real.

[395] I was on stage once, and someone gave me a fake shot.

[396] I go, what the fuck is this?

[397] And then the waiter brought over a fake shot.

[398] Because they thought, I go, no, give me the real.

[399] stuff you wanted the real thing grown adult no somebody gave me a shot they said get him a shot and so they they thought they were doing you a solid exactly right I wouldn't take a shot for very different reasons and those being safety reasons right you yeah but you're getting it from the waiter I'm not getting it from a just some rando in the audience hands of a shot you're you're absolutely right I do know a comic that did happen it did happen something was drugged and she's like I just woke up the next day whoa yeah I also don't do it because I have a policy where I don't drink on age but also i mean i've definitely like on a full party of a show someone sent a shot and i was like i'm good like i'm at work yeah i'm not doing this i have talked to so many women who've been drugged at nightclubs or someone gives them a drink and there's something in it and they just feel funny and they're either their friends rescue them or something horrible happens like it's that's a fucking creepy thing not only is it creepy it's something that i look back at the partying that i did regular partying never hot enough to do like yacht partying regular partying and i can't believe that never happened and i look back to like a frat boy that i dated in college and like those parties and like just going out in l .A and as intelligent as you might be the dumb choices you make in your 20s yeah and just thankful that i got out unscathed because it does seem to it's just a huge part of our society that this just happens well it's very scary today too because of fentanyl which is the number one killer of people 18 to 49 right now this show brought to you by fentanyl you have to give it the play it's uh that's the scariest because they're giving you they're giving people things in their drinks they don't expect and most likely it's probably fentanyl in it let me ask you this let me ask people this this is my question because you hear a lot of girls that are like I was drugged and I just woke up at home where my friends had me so in the mind of someone who's a guy who's going to drug you because it seems oftentimes they drug you but then they're not there to collect you so is it just about fucking up someone's night or drugging them and then hoping to move in later it seems like people just drug people just to do it am i way off in this i think there's probably a bunch of different things going on i bet there's certain people that drug people and they have no intention to doing anything anything with them they just think it's funny to drug people or they just really you think that's the thing there's creepy people that just want to drug people and they just get a kick out of it there's just there's some sociopaths out there some really fucking evil you're right what happened oh there's a lot of creepy evil people out there that you know you know it's that hurt people hurt people thing sure anybody who's doing that's probably been abused they probably have some really fucked up view of human beings and they are just like voting for pro -life legislation like those kind of people for sure well I don't know I don't the same folks.

[400] I think those are religious folks.

[401] Why not lump them in?

[402] Well, I got no problem with it.

[403] Lump them in.

[404] I think pro -life people, the problem with the whole pro -life abortion thing is like when it gets late term, you know, that's when people get weirded out.

[405] Well, I don't think that's what they're, I don't think they're considering that.

[406] I think they're like, from the jump, whatever's worse for the girl, let's do that.

[407] Do you think that's really what they think?

[408] Yep.

[409] I think they're doing it for religious purposes.

[410] I think they really, there's, I've had a guy on this podcast, the CEO of the Babylon B. and his perception is that life begins at the moment of conception.

[411] That's cool that that's his perception for something that he doesn't have to carry or contend with.

[412] I'm not interested in that.

[413] If men had to carry, it would be a completely different.

[414] You could get an abortion at a frozen yogurt shop.

[415] Yeah.

[416] It'd be an app on your phone.

[417] And look, I think the thing that worries me the most about it is there are the people who believe in this for religious reasons.

[418] They've drank that Kool -Aid.

[419] But I do believe the people at the top that are administering this legislation, that are passing these bills, that are reaping the benefits of these things socioeconomically, they are saying it's for religious.

[420] You've got to wrap it in something digestible.

[421] So they make it about religion, which people then take to their congregations and they dispense it.

[422] But I don't think for the most part people believe it's a religious thing.

[423] But then religious warriors take up that cause on behalf of people who will be profiteering off of it and who are doing it for a different reason, be it racial, be it social, be it economic.

[424] And so I do think it's this thing that you think you're doing something good for your Lord and Savior, for your religion, but you're just carrying out the mission of other people.

[425] I think it's a sheepy way to be.

[426] Well, I think there's a lot of people that most certainly do it because it's a political football.

[427] Like that becomes like a dividing line between the left and the right.

[428] And it galvanizes.

[429] Well, that's also what's unfortunate is that because this is such a polarizing issue, people become single issue voters.

[430] So any agenda you might have as a conservative.

[431] that may not be a bad idea or may be a fiscally good idea.

[432] People don't want to hear it because you've planted your flag and something that we shouldn't have been arguing over.

[433] Right.

[434] So it's very, because you're a single issue voter now, our communities will suffer and anything conservative that one might have agreed with doesn't get heard.

[435] That's a shame that we can't come together on stuff.

[436] Now it's too black and white.

[437] Yeah, well, there's definitely a weird divide of left and right because there's so much crossover ideas.

[438] And there's so many people that believe in more of a, centrist philosophy, and it doesn't get represented politically.

[439] Correct.

[440] You know, the politics of this country are represented by the far left and the far right in terms of, like, what people are afraid of.

[441] When they think of the right, they're afraid of, you know, access to abortion, health care, gay rights.

[442] That's another one that they're, that's really creepy, is that the same people that were calling for the ban on Roe v. Wade are now calling for an appeal of same -sex marriage.

[443] Because you give him an inch.

[444] Yeah.

[445] And it's about taking it back to this like 1950s, or we can even say antebellum, because this also plays into race, taking it back to that.

[446] What's antebellum?

[447] Antelem is like hearkening back to the South.

[448] So what does that word mean?

[449] Antebellum.

[450] Well, that's why, like, Lady Antebellum had to change the name to Lady A. Antebellum refers to a time in the South pre -slavery, glorifying those days, which I don't think the ban meant for that.

[451] I think antebellum's become associated.

[452] What band?

[453] Lady Antebellum I don't know what that is This was a whole thing a couple years ago It's a country band Lady Antebellum They've got some great songs And they had to change it to Lady A Oh, because of that Because of the word So is that what the actual definition of Antebellum is?

[454] Is it pre -slavery?

[455] No, no, during slavery Occurring or existing before a particular war Especially the American Civil War During slavery The Convention of the Antebellum South So it harkens back to you know Mint Jolips and having a plantation And click on that What does Antebellum literally mean before the war So it means before the Civil War This is during slavery This is it's glamorizing a time During slavery Well it says it wasn't widely associated With the U .S. Civil War Until after that conflict was over The word comes from the Latin phrase Antebellum literally before the war So it literally means before any war But the earliest known print appearance In English dates back to the 1840s Right so in America It's the Civil War We're not talking about Iraq Right but they're saying English print, it dates back to the 1840s before the Civil War.

[456] Sure.

[457] So this is all But this is all, the whole point was it was all romanticizing a time when slavery was legal.

[458] Got it.

[459] Yeah.

[460] And the Dixie Chicks also had to change the name for that reason.

[461] Oh.

[462] So now they're just the chicks, which sometimes you don't know what band people are talking about.

[463] Well, the Dixie Chicks, do you remember when the Dixie Chicks came out and said that they were embarrassed that George W. Bush was our president and then the fucking South went after them.

[464] Oh, yes.

[465] And they were fucked.

[466] Like, I think it kind of tanked their career.

[467] So they were very popular.

[468] I think it was Natalie.

[469] I want to say it was Natalie Mainz is the one that said it.

[470] And they went, two of them went to my high school.

[471] Their mom was our teacher.

[472] Wow.

[473] What's unfortunate, and this is when we, you know, this was an opportunity for men who hate women to decimate someone and women who uphold that sort of thinking of you know, women should keep their mouths The Dixie Chick thing was?

[474] Yeah.

[475] Yeah?

[476] I was in a coffee shop in the middle of Texas not long ago and I have a shirt on that says apologize to the Dixie Chicks.

[477] It says the chicks and that kind of obfuscates the message but apologize to the chicks and there was a man sitting there.

[478] We're in the middle of Texas at a coffee shop like a local watering hole kind of coffee shop and you could tell and he was probably in a 70s nice Texas man and he was like this is our coffee shop.

[479] What does your shirt mean?

[480] And I explained to him about the Dixie Chicks, how, given everything that's happened, they didn't deserve the hellfire that rained down on them for expressing an opinion.

[481] And his opinion was, well, you know, you can't go around saying stuff about your government.

[482] It's like, well, you can, actually.

[483] It's called freedom of speech.

[484] You guys fight for it every day.

[485] And I simply said to him, you know, I can get mad at someone for their political opinion, but I strangely draw the line at threatening to kill a woman or rape her over that opinion.

[486] And he stepped back and he was like, well, yeah, that's a lot.

[487] So I think people don't realize, especially when a woman says something wrong, the types of threats that come down that you might brush off or a guy doesn't think about.

[488] But if I get up and I'm like, I hate Joe Rogan, I hate his podcast.

[489] And you'll get men that are like, I hope you get raped.

[490] I hope you die.

[491] Like, and these experiences, and I actually talk about this in my new special, it's a lot funnier than it may get sound now, are not just online.

[492] They get carried out.

[493] people shoot up schools because of their hatred of women What school's been shot up because of hatred of women?

[494] University of Santa Barbara That kid wrote a whole manifesto Oh, that's right That was like the first in -cell, right?

[495] Montreal In terms of like a popular in -cell Where it was discussed?

[496] 1989, Montreal Massacre This guy also having an issue With Being Unfuckable Shot a bunch of people In the name of this It is the guy that shot up That strip mall in Atlanta had a whole thing about how women don't pay attention to him.

[497] Those were Asian women he targeted.

[498] So we're talking about she said something as a political belief.

[499] And then by and large, what happens is you do something and then people come at you, you know, you bring a knife to a fight.

[500] People come with a gun, literally.

[501] These are very real things that women have to think about when you exercise your free speech or just ideas just as a man would.

[502] You have to think about your physical safety.

[503] These are very real things.

[504] It's the reason I have a security at show.

[505] It's not because of women, it's not because of women coming up to me. Yeah.

[506] Which they have.

[507] And like, that's not scary.

[508] But you never know.

[509] But if a man came out and said, I'm embarrassed that George W. Bush is our president.

[510] He did it like that.

[511] He wouldn't have to think about that aspect.

[512] It wouldn't be, I hope you get raped.

[513] I mean, it might not be raped.

[514] People might say violent things about him.

[515] You'll get people that, you know, but when you and I leave a building at night, you think, we've talked about this.

[516] You think about your walk a lot differently than I do.

[517] And I do it naturally.

[518] I look around, you know.

[519] Yeah.

[520] And so that's why I'm shocked I have gotten through all those parties unscathed.

[521] Like it's just a different way that you kind of walk through the world, less impunity.

[522] And so I think that's what bothered me about the Dixie Chicks things was like she said something.

[523] And it wasn't at a time where people were exercising free thought like they were because the ubiquity of the Internet hadn't taken over.

[524] Right.

[525] And so.

[526] Well, it's also just a basic human deal.

[527] decency thing.

[528] If someone expresses an opinion, the worst human beings in the world are going to be the ones who express the hope that you get murdered or raped or, you know, like anything.

[529] I hope your family gets run over by a truck.

[530] It's just the worst kind of human beings.

[531] And that is with any disagreement on anything.

[532] The rational, logical thing to do, someone says, you know, I'm embarrassed that that's my president is to say, you know, why you disagree or why, you know, why, you know, why you think that's not a good thing to say but to hate the person and to wish harm on the person for expressing an opinion is just because you're a fucking idiot you're like your perspective sucks it's just so out of whack yes it's so warped you know and I don't think cancel culture is any different you know you take someone let's say you made a bad joke once people would want they want you to not it's not about the apology they want your career ruined and so you look at someone like Harvey Weinstein.

[533] That man should be in jail because what he did to so many women was horrific.

[534] One guy touches a woman by accident.

[535] Actually, I take that back because that never happens.

[536] One person says something.

[537] They say they're sorry.

[538] I think oftentimes the punishment outweighs the crime.

[539] Well, it does today because there's sport in it.

[540] There's sport in trying to take someone down.

[541] Yes.

[542] There's sport in trying to ruin someone's life.

[543] And there's also a lot of people out there that don't have anything going on and which is always the people that do things like this you know it's not someone who's got their life in order that starts some sort of a campaign to cancel someone for a bad joke it's usually someone who's a fucking loser absolutely and then what happens is there's like there's it becomes as overcorrect there are people who deserve to be canceled for doing terrible things over and over but nobody ever thinks they did anything wrong so then you get this other side that's like oh if a guy looks at a woman wrong he's going to get canceled.

[544] I used to think no one was getting canceled who didn't deserve it.

[545] But the more we move into this cancel culture, the more I start to ask, like, if somebody does one thing wrong that really, you know, that hurts no one, or they write a joke, or they say something, or they, you know, hit on a woman, right?

[546] Is it a pound of flesh that's owed?

[547] Is it your whole life?

[548] Yeah.

[549] Is it money?

[550] Like, are you defined by your worst moment?

[551] I believe so.

[552] Does that negate, well, it depends on what your worst moment is.

[553] Right.

[554] Shoot up a school for sure.

[555] You know, if your worst moment is a bad joke, no, it's, but it's the sport of it.

[556] That's the problem.

[557] And it's also navigating this newfound power that people have through the Internet.

[558] You know, what comes with this great power is great responsibility, but there's no responsibility to people that can just attack people online.

[559] And they enjoy it, and they enjoy it from the anonymity of their own bubble and they're tweeting or whatever they're doing.

[560] You're absolutely right.

[561] And it's navigating this new power and navigating this new world that we live in where cancel culture type things that people look for them.

[562] You know, they're looking for a nail because they have a hammer.

[563] You know, if you give someone a big box of rocks and there's a window there, there's a very strong urge to throw a rock at that window.

[564] And it's very rare that someone takes like this compassionate, charitable view of another human being and just goes, you know, people make mistakes.

[565] and the most important thing is that we all try to do better that everybody tries to do better in their life.

[566] I think people say that and then when it comes to whatever their agenda is they forget about that and I understand rage and I understand I understand hurt but I don't think people understand context and I think because people you say hurt people hurt people, I think people feel so powerless and so angry so you grab onto whatever you can grab onto and I think we just have to be careful in rallying those troops, you know, I think of the petulant internet masses, and I do talk about this in my book, I think of them as like zombies.

[567] Like in every movie, it's always like, be quiet, be quiet, because you don't want the zombie to, like, feel your warmth or hear you.

[568] And that's, you know, whatever you, if you can just, if you can just say nothing and sustain and maintain, if you truly did, like, nothing really wrong, they'll move on.

[569] Yeah.

[570] But if you've ever argued with someone in a comment section, you know that that attracts more of them.

[571] Of course.

[572] Well, also they have your attention.

[573] Right.

[574] And they think that because you're a public person, you have some sort of an advantage in life that you shouldn't have.

[575] They want to attack you no matter what.

[576] If you're a public person, I mean, your fans will chime in and say, no, we love her, fuck you.

[577] But most people who don't know you that are hopping into the fray or doing it with the idea that they're going to destroy something.

[578] Destroy something, something beautiful.

[579] And it's this idea of like, it's so delicious to destroy something, the shot in Freud of watching someone get wrecked because they have something you want or you feel they owe you something.

[580] Something.

[581] People love that.

[582] Everybody has receipts on someone else and everybody has something that they wish they could do differently or take back.

[583] And there's just no, we don't allow for context.

[584] We don't allow for conversation.

[585] And that's on the left and the right.

[586] And it's just in general.

[587] What if you had a fulfilling life?

[588] Like it's one thing if somebody has multiple civil rights and fractions and you're like, look, look, this person systemically has done awful things at their company.

[589] But what if you had a fulfilling life and a goal and a passion and something else?

[590] Would you spend your whole life?

[591] trying to ruin other people.

[592] Most people don't have the time to do that.

[593] I think it's this new power that exists in the world and this new ability to express themselves and to disseminate information that needs to be navigated.

[594] I think it's going to take time.

[595] You know, this is a wave.

[596] It comes in and comes out.

[597] And that's like we're seeing with like Me Too, there's like probably an overcorrection and it comes back and balances out.

[598] And then you have like the Amber Heard situation.

[599] People are like, well, what about her?

[600] Like some, there's women out there that are just like men.

[601] There's crazy people on both sides of the aisle.

[602] And I think that it's just this newfound ability to express information that is just, it's unprecedented.

[603] There's never been a time in history where you can have these mobs of people that can just attack from their phone.

[604] From their phone.

[605] I also think, you know, this is, we are learning.

[606] We are growing up in real time with the internet.

[607] And nobody.

[608] And I believe this.

[609] When the internet came around, you know, fast forward to several years like, let's say we got Twitter, right?

[610] We have social media versus just the internet.

[611] I don't think the average person, I'm sure people at tech companies and some futurists, and maybe you, understood that it was forever.

[612] When I would tweet out something like, oh, I fucking hate, whatever.

[613] McDonald's or this person, we didn't really understand those ramifications.

[614] When you took those pictures, when you take a. cute picture in a bikini like you don't realize you didn't at the time nobody explained or got or they didn't want you to know this was going to be forever right and we were all learning that in real time but now you have to pay for it i will forever have to be looking at pictures of me in a bikini that i posted eight years ago like i look fine it's not a scandalous picture but like nothing gets forgotten right and the more we move on with the internet you know you shit your pants at a school recital and that's on the internet like it's there it will eventually get tamped down people aren't going to see it as much but it's out there we forget that we're all learning this in real time and we do this as it's like this whole gotchaism I watched a video yesterday of this lady she's walking through a store and she's got flip flops on and a skirt and she's just walking it's like a security camera and then she stops and she puts her hand over her butt and then she walks a little further and she stops again and you can see her like clinch her butt cheeks and then she like looks around and then shit falls out of her skirt onto the ground and she moves away Have you seen it, Jamie?

[615] That poor lady.

[616] Did they show her face?

[617] Yeah.

[618] Do you want to say it?

[619] I don't.

[620] Because that will be me one day.

[621] That was almost me on the way here.

[622] This poor lady.

[623] I saw that.

[624] I was like, oh my God.

[625] Talk about a surveillance state.

[626] And also, another thing that you've seen a significant uptick in on TikTok in particular is the filming of strangers without their consent.

[627] Yeah.

[628] That woman, these people, oh, this guy's got.

[629] And it's always done in the name of comedy or.

[630] to catch someone.

[631] What's this one?

[632] At least she's blurt out.

[633] No, this is a different one.

[634] Somebody stepped in it.

[635] Oh, God.

[636] This is a different one.

[637] Revolting moments.

[638] Let's go back up with it.

[639] Revolting moment.

[640] Lady poo's on the floor while walking through lobby before unsuspecting man steps in it as she runs off.

[641] So does she have like no underwear on?

[642] She's just shitting?

[643] Yeah, let me see.

[644] You kind of know you're doing that, don't you?

[645] I think.

[646] So this lady's just walking and she just, oh my God.

[647] Are we sure it's poop?

[648] She just, yes, she just shit as she's walking.

[649] And this guy just, oh, God.

[650] How did he not see that?

[651] Well, how did he see it?

[652] Why would he expect to see shit?

[653] He's just walking.

[654] He's right behind her.

[655] I mean, the time between her shitting and him stepping in it is just like a second.

[656] Oh.

[657] That's awful.

[658] That is.

[659] Imagine if he fell and it landed in his fucking clothes and, oof.

[660] Some dudes are into it.

[661] Yes.

[662] Oh, Sheila.

[663] What's that?

[664] This one happened to Tim Hortons, but that was a little bit more of a thing.

[665] Disturbing video of woman.

[666] Wait, why is disturbing in quotes?

[667] Well, this lady was gone.

[668] Oh, this lady shit against a wall.

[669] Yeah, she was just crazy.

[670] Why is it, why is it, like, disturb?

[671] Like, some don't think it is.

[672] It's in quotes.

[673] Like, allegedly, it's disturbing.

[674] Oh, disturbing in quotes?

[675] No, no, no. Why is it in quotes?

[676] It's definitely disturbing.

[677] I mean, you talk about lack of a right to privacy.

[678] Like, you are being filmed everywhere by, I think it should be illegal to film someone without their consent.

[679] But what about if it's a store and you're worried about people are robbing them.

[680] I think you have a signpost that says just so you know, without them being aware.

[681] Like you're consenting by going in that store.

[682] And if you're not doing anything wrong, it's not a big deal.

[683] People are just filming people.

[684] Right.

[685] That's a different thing.

[686] That's personal filming.

[687] Yeah, the people filming thing is kind of fucked because like people love to like stick cameras in people's faces and ask them questions.

[688] Like, what are you doing that?

[689] Yeah.

[690] There's no reason for this.

[691] I know TV you got to like hunt, you got wrestle them to the ground be like, please sign this release.

[692] Right.

[693] And these kids, these are, you got 15 TikTok followers.

[694] you live in the middle of nowhere.

[695] Like, there's no one can come after you because you have no identity associated with your handle.

[696] Right.

[697] So there's a lack of accountability and our laws are so glacial and archaic that we haven't caught up to the internet yet.

[698] Yeah.

[699] No, it's very weird what our laws are in terms of that.

[700] The privacy laws.

[701] It's very weird.

[702] Because, like, here's another thing.

[703] If you buy a house, if you buy a house, people could just post your house and that you bought it and people Google your address.

[704] I know it's no laws on that.

[705] I know it's happened to you.

[706] It's happened to me and happens everybody it's but especially as a public figure and we even reached out to the quote unquote writer that does it and I'm like they don't give a fuck and we try to say like hey I have a stalker we have a case with the police could you please not post she sleeps on the north end like here's where the master bedroom is like fine a picture with no reference great but they don't need to know the layout that I sleep on the second floor like they don't need to know that.

[707] Yeah.

[708] There's just such a lack of accountability and awareness for personal safety, particularly women's safety.

[709] Well, there's no laws in regards to that.

[710] Like, we need new privacy laws in terms of what you're allowed to put on the Internet.

[711] Well, and so people here would be like, well, get you a gun.

[712] Be your own law.

[713] It's not that simple.

[714] I mean, you're opening up a door.

[715] You shouldn't have to defend it with bullets.

[716] You know, you shouldn't just because somebody decides to, like, post where you.

[717] You sleep.

[718] You shouldn't have to be like fucking cocked, armed and ready.

[719] I agree.

[720] Every time you go to the bathroom.

[721] It shouldn't be news is the other thing.

[722] And it shouldn't, you shouldn't be allowed.

[723] People get mad about stuff.

[724] Nobody ever goes after the media outlets.

[725] The outlet that posts the picture of your wife in a bikini on your, you know, on your vacation.

[726] The outlet that says something about your body.

[727] The outlet that puts that out there.

[728] Somehow those writers, it's never about them.

[729] And it always becomes about the story.

[730] This is that's a shitty way to make a living.

[731] is just pretending it's journalism, but really showing how fat someone got.

[732] Well, it is a vulturous way to make a living.

[733] There's a bunch of articles that I'm seeing lately.

[734] Maybe it's just like my Google News Feed, but there's articles are like of weird.

[735] Like, how is this an article?

[736] Like one of them was like a guy left a bad tip so the woman chased him down out in the street and confronted him.

[737] And this is an article.

[738] And I'm like, that's an everyday occurrence if you're a waitress.

[739] Right.

[740] Like the idea that this is now a story, but it doesn't matter because that's the thing.

[741] kind of thing that makes people click on things because journalism is kind of fuck now because it's all about clicks because you don't really make a lot of money off of print journalism anymore right so the sensationalism of it yeah so what they're getting money from is advertising clicks and believe it or not a woman chasing down a guy who left a shitty tip will get you just as much clicks as you know some climate change accord where you know some consortium of scientists get together and chain themselves to a bank of america building it is how do we sensationalize everything the right news doesn't get the the correct news doesn't get the appropriate attention and you really do it is harder and harder to seek out the education that you deserve it is harder and harder to educate yourself because everybody is positive that they're right everybody's positive everyone is wrong it's hard to trust people and it's hard to know what side of the graph you're looking at and it require and none of us for the most part have it and everybody's very content to sound off on anyone if you have an opinion as if they have all the facts, but they just got them from another talking head.

[742] Right.

[743] So that's why scientists and doctors and people with degrees in this are so important versus just taking this news from wherever.

[744] That's also why objective journalism is so important.

[745] It's very difficult to find nowadays.

[746] It's very hard because everything is biased from one perspective, whether it's a right -wing perspective or a left -wing perspective and they flavor and shape and mold the narrative just to suit whatever they think their audience wants to hear.

[747] Well, you have to have your eyes so open because if you are coming from any sort of marginalized group that colors it like I'm Jewish.

[748] So when I see a headline about Jews or Israel or Palestine, I always pay attention to the phrasing.

[749] You're like, what's the real agenda here?

[750] And sometimes it requires being of that group to fully see the intention.

[751] You know, if you're black, you're going to look at a headline about an altercation with police.

[752] You're going to look at that wording differently than someone, than a white.

[753] person that doesn't think about that like it's just it colors your perspective and your event and your history and life colors the way you read those and so you're right it is hard to find just like the facts like here is what happened here is that decide for yourself well it requires a lot of work and you can't do that about too many subjects because you just don't have the time if you're a person that has an eight hour a day job and then you have a family and hobbies and friends and like you don't have the time to be trying to figure out like why is fluoride in the water.

[754] Why is it?

[755] Like, you got to shake that shit down.

[756] It'll take you forever.

[757] But then, so here you go.

[758] And now it's time to vote.

[759] And you got some guy that's like, hey, I want to protect us and everything and do everything that's right.

[760] And all these bullshit things are baked into it that are infringements on our civil liberties.

[761] And you're like, well, I didn't take the time.

[762] So this guy seems like me should be okay.

[763] Yeah.

[764] We look for someone who makes us feel good.

[765] Like, I'll feel good voting for him.

[766] I don't like her.

[767] She's a voting.

[768] You know, like, that's, I mean, that was a lot of people's perspectives on Hillary Clinton.

[769] I talked to a lot of people that hated.

[770] No, I'm pretty sure everyone loved her.

[771] She, she, she won't.

[772] The most loved.

[773] I was, I was, I, I, I, I liked Elizabeth Warren.

[774] Why?

[775] She's cool.

[776] I just like, same, I liked her.

[777] I like, I like, I like her tenacity.

[778] Yeah, but, but, but, but, okay, who isn't?

[779] Yeah, Bernie Sanders.

[780] Okay, but did you vote for Bernie?

[781] He wasn't available to vote for.

[782] Did you vote in the, in the primaries, right.

[783] Yeah.

[784] I didn't, uh, I didn't, but I had a on my podcast and he was very sincere okay cool I've had my mom on my podcast you want to flex I'm just saying I think he's very sincere I think he uh you know he's very idealistic but give that a chance maybe maybe that's better than someone who's fucking jaded I mean I don't understand what one has to do with the other I was just saying I liked her but it's all one has to do with the other what do you mean what what someone being idealistic versus what is her being a con artist my whole point was that people have locked and loaded these opinions about people and everyone's awful and every woman is called a bitch when they run for politics.

[785] Sarah Palin because the types of men that call women bitches voted probably for her in the get -go.

[786] Well, Tulsi Gabbard's not.

[787] I think Tulsi Gabbard's amazing.

[788] I don't even know that is.

[789] You know what she is?

[790] No. Congresswoman from Hawaii ran for president in 2020.

[791] Okay.

[792] She's the one who called out Kamala Harris on her.

[793] prosecution record for people with marijuana felonies and also kept people in jail illegally past the time they were supposed to be released to force them to work as cheap labor to fight wildfires will she be running no she actually just did the podcast recently and she's well it doesn't what is that update she is running back yeah air's a little bit of breaking news okay on this Biden pardons thousands of people convicted of marijuana possession under federal law wow as it It should be.

[794] Oh, yeah.

[795] On Twitter.

[796] As I've said before, no one should be in jail for just using or possessing marijuana.

[797] Today I'm taking steps to end our failed approach.

[798] Wait.

[799] Allow me to lay them out.

[800] Fuck, yeah.

[801] What if the first step just said, P .S. I'm high as fuck right now.

[802] L .O .L. High A .F. Right.

[803] Second, I'm calling on governors to pardon simple state marijuana possession offenses.

[804] Yes.

[805] Just as no one should be in federal prison.

[806] Look at the likes going up.

[807] That's amazing.

[808] No one should be in federal prison solely for possessing marijuana.

[809] No one should be in a federal prison solely for possessing marijuana.

[810] No one should be in a law.

[811] a local jail or state prison for that reason either.

[812] Third, we classify marijuana at the same level as heroin and more serious than fentanyl.

[813] It makes no sense.

[814] I'm asking Secretary, I don't know, say that name, Baserna, Baserra?

[815] And the Attorney General to initiate the process of reviewing how marijuana is scheduled under federal law.

[816] I'd also like to note that as federal and state regulations change, we still need important limitations on trafficking, marketing, and underage sales of marijuana.

[817] Yes, okay.

[818] Sending people to jail for possessing marijuana has upended too many lives for a conduct that is legal in many states.

[819] Yes.

[820] That's before you address the clear racial disparities around the prosecution and conviction.

[821] Today we begin to write these wrongs.

[822] Fuck yeah.

[823] There is a disproportionate amount of African American men, but African Americans in jail for minor marijuana possession while women in Santa Barbara are like having cooking parties with it, like white women and white families.

[824] Well, it's legal in California.

[825] It is legal, and that is true, and there is breaking the law, but again, we're talking about punishment outweighing a crime.

[826] Oh, for sure.

[827] Like, there are people still in jail years later, and it was the smallest amount.

[828] And now that it's legal, let him out.

[829] Yeah, well, there's people that are in jail and they can, like, literally look out their bars and see marijuana shops.

[830] Yes.

[831] It's what is a way.

[832] Especially in Phoenix.

[833] It's a very quick and easy way to feed this industrial prison complex.

[834] Yeah.

[835] He's totally right in doing that.

[836] Yeah.

[837] It is a class racial issue.

[838] is that thing where now that it's legal, I mean, yeah, it's just a way to feed that prison complex.

[839] That is the point.

[840] Well, it's a stupid fucking law that shouldn't exist.

[841] And if you believe in freedom, you should believe in the freedom to explore your own consciousness.

[842] And that's what marijuana is.

[843] The my op I think it's very easy to live in your reality.

[844] And people in like say Los Angeles get very accused of living in a bubble.

[845] And my whole thing is it's 80 % Mexican in LA.

[846] It's called, it's a pronounced Abuble.

[847] But it's very easy to live.

[848] If you are a farmer in rural Nebraska and you have these conservative values and you don't live in like an urban area you don't share the same streets that I do of course your values and you are going to be different and that's okay that's what local elections are for and so I think it's very easy to be pro life especially if you're a man because like this doesn't really affect me or I'm a 60 year old day like I'm not thinking about this I think it's very difficult I think the exercise in living in a society is thinking about other people and that's what taxes are for those go to schools I pay taxes for schools that my kids might never attend this is what you sign up for when you live in a society is maybe considering how to not hurt your neighbor and so that's why I was so pro -mask because it's like this is how you don't hurt someone when we believe that those were and I still do the thing that helps right and I think people tend to vote oh I want the death penalty sure you don't know the fucking guy dying it's not your brother that's been falsely accused so I think the less experience you have with people who are less like you the more likely you're just going to vote for your own self interest.

[849] That's absolutely true.

[850] Yeah, and that's always going to be the case.

[851] It's people, they have a limited perspective based on what they've experienced.

[852] And if you are in the middle of nowhere, in a rural place, and you have a very religious upbringing, and you think that people in Brooklyn or people in South Central Los Angeles should adhere to your values, you know, that's not only is it not realistic, it's not informed.

[853] I'm never about spreading my values as much as giving people options.

[854] That's why it's pro -choice.

[855] And I believe in choices in general.

[856] And I understand the vaccine thing, which is also like I'm not in the streets telling people to it.

[857] It was my choice to get it.

[858] So I just want people to have the choice.

[859] And I want people to also have the choice to make decisions about their own health, meaning I don't want to be forced to get sick because you chose not to do something.

[860] It's the same reason you can't go into a movie theater and you'll fire.

[861] Like your choices shouldn't have to affect or harm other people.

[862] And that's a very gray area, because where do you draw that boundary?

[863] Well, the problem with that boundary is we need to know what is actually going on.

[864] Right.

[865] We need to know, like, what are the financial interests involved in making decisions?

[866] Because especially when you're dealing with anything involving pharmaceutical companies of the government, it's mostly about money.

[867] I mean, that hydrochloroquine, when that came out, hydroxychloroquine, when that came out as like a cure -all, I remember the guy, I remember looking this.

[868] up because I was like, I was so proud of my journalism, but it was some, the guy, I remember the guy was Indian who was like the head of the pharmaceutical company that was in charge of that.

[869] And I googled and I saw that he had had dinner with Donald Trump, like in March of the pandemic year.

[870] And I was like, you know, someone shook someone's hand and was like, we'll sell this.

[871] I don't think so.

[872] Because hydroxychloroquine is not, it's not expensive.

[873] There's no money in that.

[874] Hydroxychloroquine is something like ivermectin, which is a generic drug.

[875] The problem with generic drugs is these off -label uses of generic drugs, anybody can profit off of it.

[876] What they want is patented drugs.

[877] So they come up with a drug that's either similar to that, has a similar effect or, you know, an alternative effect, and then they patent that.

[878] That was the drug that was being touted.

[879] But that's what they sell.

[880] When you look into the history of the pharmaceutical companies and what they've done in terms of patenting medicine and demonizing medicines that that can't be patented, that are generic medicines.

[881] It's fucking creepy.

[882] Yes.

[883] Because they're just about profit.

[884] These are machines that are just trying to make money for their shareholders.

[885] 100%.

[886] And that's almost every company.

[887] When you really start, it is actually, it's a terrifying thing to do to start to peel back those layers.

[888] And I'm all for that education.

[889] And that kind of goes back to what we were saying before about, like, it is exhausting and really difficult to get objective opinions, to really find stuff out.

[890] and this is for I mean there was this documentary on Netflix about like health and beauty business and they talked about Johnson and Johnson baby powder and how they you know my mom we use that when I was little I call and I now it causes cervical cancer that's what they're saying I call my mom and I go hey if you have Johnson Johnson Johnson baby powder don't use it she goes no causes cancer I know that like it just became not like it was a thing that was a family company that was sold to everyone and then when they found out it caused cancer they started marketing it to poorer communities and so they found out it causes cancer they started marketing to people they started putting it in like black and brown communities really yeah this was in the documentary what documentary is called it's if you google like Netflix beauty doc there's like a bunch of them but this is the one what's it called it's called I'll tell you right now it's called hold on toxic beauty Jesus Christ these people are fucking creeps and then you even go just products that you think like if you got curly hair which is which I do which is a very malign thing you find this product that's great for it and then they go into all the all the information that's not being told to you and it is a full -time job and then you're called a heretic if you come out against some of these things and it's i applaud a lot of what you do on this podcast i know a lot of your guests are polarizing i know you don't always have the right info but i do applaud the pursuit of that information because there's always so many levels and layers particularly in government or products or anything these things that make our lives run there's darker motives have And you sound crazy if you say it.

[891] You sound crazy in the beginning.

[892] And then ultimately, if you're correct, if you're correct, people find out they've been duped.

[893] Or they're dead.

[894] And that there's money involved in this.

[895] Right.

[896] And that's why this stuff has been propagated.

[897] That's how I feel about the abortion thing.

[898] I'm like, this can't be about religion.

[899] Do you really think that it's a, I think it's probably a voting issue, you know, for sure, you know, which is, I think, look, cynically, I look at this Biden decision about marijuana.

[900] And I said it's a voting issue.

[901] They're trying to win the midterms, which are, you know, in a couple of weeks.

[902] And that's how they're looking at it.

[903] But I applaud the sentiment behind it and what it actually will do for people, which I think is great.

[904] And if that's all it takes to get them to do that, to make it incentivize them to do something that's the right thing, that it's going to, all they have to do is like, do it because they want to get the votes.

[905] Good.

[906] Let them get the votes.

[907] Thank God it's for a good thing.

[908] That is the right thing.

[909] It shouldn't be demonized Did you see the clip this morning Where he was caught He was shaking hands with someone And then on a hot mic He said nobody fucks with a Biden The president Did he would say that?

[910] The president said it Oh he's so he's so gone Well I don't know I think that's kind of No but he's gone He's fucking got dementia There's no if ands were butts about it The guy Do you see that speech the other day We was talking about that woman There's no butts There's no butts It's 100 % If you talk to any person Who treats people With dementia and you show them what he used to be like versus what he's like now.

[911] There is clear evidence of cognitive decline.

[912] I mean, as long as you're making, as long as you're doing stuff like this, I'm okay with it.

[913] Like the marijuana, like as long as you're calling for stuff like that.

[914] At least do something good on your way out.

[915] It's good that he's doing that, but that's not what we're talking about.

[916] I'm talking about his, he's got dementia or something.

[917] There's some sort of cognitive decline.

[918] You see that thing the other day where he's calling, where's Jackie, where's Jackie?

[919] Is that Jackie lady been dead for a month?

[920] There's someone who worked for him.

[921] Like he doesn't have all of his faculties in order.

[922] Like people knew that going into the election, and it's only deteriorated with pressure and stress and age.

[923] It's like that stuff doesn't get better as you get older.

[924] It gets worse.

[925] Okay.

[926] Yes.

[927] Agreed?

[928] We get worse as we get older.

[929] Well, especially him.

[930] He's old as fuck.

[931] Nobody fucks with a Biden.

[932] Such a silly man. He's always been silly.

[933] By the way, for any man to say that.

[934] What was he saying?

[935] Here it is.

[936] that's a little funny thing to say yeah i love it i love it i love it i wasn't saying he had to make i was just saying that independent no it was just news it was just kind of out of character for him i like it i like that it's cheesy but it's cool it's funny he's talking to some regular dude and just shaking hands no one fucks of the biden like yeah okay i mean we've all said stuff with our mics i've peed with my mic on i've nothing wrong with that I don't give a shit wrong with saying something into a lov Yeah I mean look It's It is what it is He's old But that thing Like who cares about that How's that even news It's kind of funny It just popped up on my Instagram I don't know It wasn't like on the front page In New York Times Well I'm sure some people are gonna run with it Some fucking Fox News people Are gonna think it's evidence Of his moral decay or something Well I mean I mean it did lead you to go into a whole thing about Which you also said to me last time That he had dementia He's got something He's got something You think he's got something.

[937] Yeah.

[938] You ever seen the compilations of him just stumbling and not knowing what to talk about, losing his place and forgetting, oh, forget about it.

[939] It's not good.

[940] I'm not, I don't have a take on this as much as if you, so a president has to talk a lot because they do those compilations on George Bush.

[941] They do them on Donald Trump.

[942] Sure.

[943] If you, I mean, they could do them on you or me. Like, if you film enough of someone talking.

[944] Yes.

[945] And you cobble it together.

[946] What's the one from, there's another?

[947] one of him doing something like that he did no one fucks with a biden oh it was george bush there's this clip that went around recently where he like says something about the iraq war and he goes now watch me tee off like no watch this long shot and he just turns around and hits a golf i've seen that one i kind of don't hate it i think it's very hilarious well what do you want the guy to do what do you want him to do first of all he's a human being and he's in the middle of golfing golfing and in the most insanely pressure -filled life the world's ever known if you're a president that job is fucked and you are under scrutiny 24 -7 and you're just living this bizarre world where in this bizarre world where you're in control of the economic future, the environmental future, the international treaties and laws and whether or not we invade countries and interventionalist foreign policy like the fucking chaos involved in being the president.

[948] You can't let the guy talk some shit and now watch this drive.

[949] That's kind of fun.

[950] That's the reason most people voted for him.

[951] Right.

[952] And so I just I mean, it doesn't matter now.

[953] He's a regular guy.

[954] He's regular Joe.

[955] You want to have a beer with.

[956] And so...

[957] It's a weird thing to want from a leader, right?

[958] Well, I guess it's better than someone who you don't want to have a beer with.

[959] Have you seen some fucking creep who's just like, just some weird lizard person who just doesn't make any sense to you?

[960] Do you want to have a beer with Vladimir Putin?

[961] Um, I'd have some vodka with that guy.

[962] Would you have him on your podcast?

[963] Well, I don't speak Russian, so I don't think we would be able to communicate correctly.

[964] I don't know how well he speaks English.

[965] but it would be a fascinating conversation to hear his perspective.

[966] Yeah.

[967] But the guy's a tool.

[968] Well, he's definitely a killer.

[969] Yeah.

[970] You know, I mean, he's the, I mean, he's a former...

[971] KGB.

[972] Yeah, what's KGB?

[973] And then what's the other, um, FSB?

[974] Yeah, he's, um, it's a scary man. And he's also insanely wealthy.

[975] Is that it?

[976] He's in, there's like, you've seen the picture of his, well, they thought, it was his house and it looks like something like a villain would live in.

[977] Yeah, it's like some fucking massive compound that's worth like $100 million.

[978] I read Red Notice.

[979] I don't know if you read this book.

[980] Bill Broward, did you read this book?

[981] Red Notice and it's about the, is it Magidzzi Act?

[982] It's like this, basically about a guy who did like private wealth management and he got into Eastern Europe.

[983] This is a true story.

[984] And he got into Eastern Europe and managing money over there.

[985] And it's about how he got tangled up in Russia and then they ended up murdering like one of his accountants and they tortured him so horribly that this guy then dedicated his life to getting laws passed about the way people are treated abroad and he talks about Vladimir Putin and he talks about how corrupt it is over there and it's all a true story it's a I don't even know I think they made a really bad movie about I think they're wrong with it oh it's insanely corrupt it's a really good book it's an insanely corrupt part of the world and whenever you have an autocrat you know whenever you have one guy that gets to stay in power for as long as he wants, which is essentially where Vladimir Putin is, and a guy who poisons and kills his enemies.

[986] It's a fucking scary situation.

[987] Yeah, thank God we live here.

[988] Thank God we live here.

[989] Yeah.

[990] I mean, it's better.

[991] It's not ideal.

[992] It's not the best.

[993] But it's the best available.

[994] I think, you know, you're allowed to, I'm allowed to be proud to be an American and embarrassed at other times.

[995] And I think we have an issue with people not being bleeding heart patriots or it's like, or you're too much of a snowflake.

[996] It's, you're allowed to criticize this land that you love so much.

[997] You're allowed to express yourself.

[998] You're allowed to express yourself.

[999] If you don't want a person to express themselves and you don't believe in real freedom.

[1000] Because people should have the ability to express themselves incorrectly and make mistakes.

[1001] And the way to counter that is to express yourself correctly and make better points, make better arguments.

[1002] That's how we find out what's real and what's not real.

[1003] When you can find the tyrants is who's fucking silencing people, who's stopping people from expressing themselves, who's stopping people from expressing themselves, who's stopping people from.

[1004] expressing opinions that they disagree with, that other people disagree with.

[1005] I don't have an issue with that, but I also wonder, what about people who purposefully disseminate wrong information, disinformation?

[1006] Yeah, that's creepy too.

[1007] And that is also, it should be, like, criminally liable, right?

[1008] If you know, like, if you're working for a company and that company tells you something, and you know that for a fact, and then you go out and spread information that is incorrect because it's in the greater interest of that company.

[1009] It's criminal.

[1010] If you knew better.

[1011] Yeah.

[1012] If you knew better.

[1013] If you knew better.

[1014] And you do it for profit or you do it, you know, you have motive.

[1015] Yeah.

[1016] That's, but that, I mean, that goes back to what we're talking about, like finding the truth.

[1017] It's so difficult to know the truth sometimes with very complex issues.

[1018] It's like trying to get as many objective sources of information as possible.

[1019] And it's such a fast new cycle.

[1020] Yeah.

[1021] Just you start to dig into one thing.

[1022] And at some point, you have to feed yourself.

[1023] you have to have a living you know and I think too as comics you know like I have this desire to be on the right side and to know everything and to be as well rounded as possible but I also have to like hold my daughter and I also have to write jokes and you also want to be funny but I just feel like the stakes are so high lately yeah and you have the freedom to sort of at least make your own schedule I mean you have shows that you have to go to but you have most of the day and you know you have responsibilities but some people don't even have that some people have they're constantly working and so to ask that person to be up on the news cycle with everything that's going on in the world and and have an informed opinion and a hot take on every fucking it's too much it's too much and it's just getting worse it's just getting there's information overload overload yeah I saw somebody the other day said because I look at a lot of TikTok and it's great sometimes and then it eats away at your brain at other times she it was just this thing that was like try to avoid I think it was called like a dread dread scheduling and I didn't look into it but I was like I try to live my life by having as few things on the calendar that I'm like ugh I don't want to do that yeah I bet you have the ability to like have a life that's like dread free minus like you got to go to the dentist or something yeah I don't have very many dreads right yeah I think that's a big part of happiness is like just not booking the thing that you kind of don't want to do yeah well once you're fortunate enough to be able to do that.

[1024] The key is to not slide into dread just for financial gain because you're not even going to notice that money.

[1025] Well, you'll notice is your time being used in a way that you don't want.

[1026] And sometimes people, they can't see the forest for the trees and they just focus on money.

[1027] Instead of focusing on just, I just want to avoid doing things that suck.

[1028] Right.

[1029] I say this to comics all the time.

[1030] Like, when you start, it shouldn't be about the money and I'm saying that as a person who started like with a normal day job that like wasn't cool and it was a pain in the ass to get to and you do comedy because you love doing it and I had no idea the potential or how much money you can make I didn't know anything about the pay structure for that kind of stuff but it should be you're doing it you're doing your art because you love it that's part of just being an artist you get into private wealth management because you want to make a lot of money yeah for the art of it yeah that's a problem with money things you know like equity funds and private wealth management and stock traders it's like the whole end goal is to accumulate numbers it's not to create a product that's going to enrich people's lives or going to be exciting for people to you know to consume no it's like you're you're just trying to rack up numbers that's a fucking empty pursuit in and of itself i mean it's just a weird thing you're just And you're never happy unless you make more every year than you did the previous year.

[1031] Nobody ever says like, hey, you know, I'm locked into a pretty reasonable living.

[1032] Right.

[1033] So I'm just going to keep that going to maintain that.

[1034] Well, let me ask you this, even though it's your show.

[1035] Let me ask you this because I get asked this all the time.

[1036] And I always hate the question because for many reasons.

[1037] But like, do you have career goals beyond this?

[1038] Or are you like, I did it.

[1039] I'm good.

[1040] I never had any career goals.

[1041] legitimately I didn't I just like doing things and the things that I like to do I try to do in my best Right That's the healthy answer Yeah I think that's a similar answer to mine Because I if I just decided That I have some fucking grandiose goal Like where is that going Like what if I achieve that I'm going to do another one And just keep pushing further And further I think this madness I think you lose your fucking mind I think life is a temporary situation And you should enjoy as much of it as possible And I think that one of the ways that I find that I enjoy it as much as possible is if I do things that are intriguing, that are difficult and complex and where they're challenging.

[1042] And so I overcome obstacles and I figure things out and I get better at stuff, whether it's communicating with people or whether it's doing stand -up or whatever you do.

[1043] I like challenging interesting things, fascinating things.

[1044] You do.

[1045] that and you I think you've built whether you realize that from the beginning or that's become a thing I think you've built a life that really is around those things yeah like that's what this podcast is it's not like a show about like feelings and baking like this is interesting people maybe me as a guest excluded and interesting topics and the pursuit of that information yeah it's like what I'm interested in I mean the only people I have on are people I either like like you or people that I I think I want to talk to because I think you know they have an interesting topic that they're pursuing or some documentary or a book they wrote or something it's like I I only have people on that I'm interested in talking to I don't have anybody telling me who to have on that's that's the I think the toughest part about podcast is the guest booking and then like in the beginning where you're just like I got to interview this person and like you're like I don't want I don't care what they have to say and you still have to do the interview I've avoided that you have in the beginning even I was I there was a lot of people that tried to get on the podcast and I'm not interested in.

[1046] I just said no. I've had even a confrontations that some people that want to be on.

[1047] I'm like, I don't want to have you on.

[1048] Oh, they've come up to you and been like, I got to get on.

[1049] Yeah.

[1050] That's the best way to never have me on or never have me have you on.

[1051] Is to get in your face.

[1052] Yeah.

[1053] Jesus Christ.

[1054] Do you think like being confrontational is going to help?

[1055] I've had to do sometimes I do, I've had a lot of great interviews, but sometimes I'm being interviewed and I can tell they barely know who I am and I certainly don't want to be there.

[1056] And I'm under my keyboard.

[1057] I'm just like squeezing my thigh.

[1058] because I want to be like what are we doing here please don't ask me about balancing at all please don't ask me how I got in a comedy you don't care and I don't care well they don't know what to ask well not everybody should have a fucking podcast not every I'm serious everybody has one and not everybody there is an art to interviewing like earlier when I forgot what I was saying you weren't like let's see you were talking about you just sat there and let me stew and that is there's an art to that well I was hoping you would come up with the thought yeah I just gave you chance.

[1059] I didn't want to like talk over you.

[1060] Because if I talked over you, then you'd never get it.

[1061] You know, when someone starts talking over you when you're trying to think of things, then you're just reacting to them talking.

[1062] You're never going to get it.

[1063] I talk over it.

[1064] It's a bad quality of mine.

[1065] And I understand.

[1066] I acknowledge that.

[1067] It's a normal quality, particularly for someone who talks for a living, because you're good at it.

[1068] So you always have words that you have at the tip of your tongue that you can get out.

[1069] Sometimes it's a harder thing for comics when they're communicating with people to just let that person talk and it's definitely a learned skill and I'm definitely like way better at it now than I was when I first started.

[1070] I'm not saying you weren't good at it before but like I get interviewed a lot I think there are hosts that are good at it I think you're good at it I think Jimmy Kimmel gives like an elegant interview there are certain people and they're just because I did that recently I'm thinking about that but there really is an art to it and I actually the older I get and maybe it is since having a baby the less I want to volunteer and like you're not when I talk to you you're not ever like overenthused like you kind of just hang back and you listen like you have less to prove I like that I like to be like that I think is the cooler way to be versus like yeah also something else I think there's like a calmness to it that I don't think I naturally have I think I'm like a very not very intense but intense enough you're pretty intense but that's passionate That's, you know, you have your thoughts and your opinions, and it's not like you're close -minded to other people's opinions, you know, you're, you know, but you're very strong -willed and you have your ideas.

[1071] Willful.

[1072] Yeah.

[1073] Yeah.

[1074] I looked up the characteristics of Tibetan Spaniels the other day because I have one.

[1075] Yeah.

[1076] I said that they're willful.

[1077] Willful.

[1078] And I was like, I get it.

[1079] Yeah, they don't want to listen.

[1080] That's the, it's a dog, though.

[1081] Pick the perfect job for it.

[1082] Yeah.

[1083] Yeah.

[1084] Well, I mean, otherwise you would never been a comic.

[1085] I think it's way harder for a woman to be a comic.

[1086] Because first of all, there's a certain prejudice that a lot of men have in the audience.

[1087] They don't want to hear a woman talk.

[1088] They don't want to hear a woman on stage.

[1089] And there's also there's certain subjects that some men in particular don't want to hear women express.

[1090] They don't want to hear them talk about politics.

[1091] They don't want to hear them giving advice or, you know, and then when it comes to, like, sex talk.

[1092] And, you know, a lot of men have a really difficult time with women making fun of men in their act.

[1093] act.

[1094] So there's that.

[1095] It's challenging.

[1096] It's challenging.

[1097] I think the longer you do it, I'm lucky that the people coming out are fans.

[1098] It's not like a paper room or anything.

[1099] So I think that they come out expecting it.

[1100] And I think, particularly in this new special, I address the men up top, I'm like, I really want to include you.

[1101] I don't look at, I don't like that, and I talk about this too, that faux feminist, like men are idiots, right girls?

[1102] Like you will alienate smart women And you will alienate all the men I don't I believe feminism is like Treating them equally Sometimes women fuck up Sometimes men fuck up But these large generalizations of like Men are idiots men are dumb right girls Like I don't know who that's serving I have just weak It's just pandering Yeah it's pandering It's just a cheap way out Well I have issues with things like girl boss I've always shuddered at that Well that is exactly why and I explained to women, I'm like, first of all, the women saying girl boss, usually just doing it as a marketing tool.

[1103] And you know that girl boss is bullshit because you never hear men say it.

[1104] That's how you know it's not actually empowering.

[1105] You've never heard a man be like, wow, she did two tours of Iraq and she's a doctor.

[1106] What a girl boss.

[1107] If your opposition in a movement doesn't go along with your ideas, then you're not gaining any ground.

[1108] And so I don't think talking to women like lobotomized idiots is feminism.

[1109] and I don't think talking to men, like they're the problem, is helpful.

[1110] And I think that's why, at least my stand -up works.

[1111] Yeah, well, it's a trap.

[1112] You know, and I think a lot of times people, they take an easy way out with comedy, you know, and they try to find, like, a way that they can mock things that's going to work on stage, at least some people.

[1113] And then they get into that sort of fucking caricaturist view of humans.

[1114] Well, I just wonder, I like to think.

[1115] think the older I get, this special, the last special, this special, like, the stakes are too high.

[1116] You want to make a bunch of dick jokes.

[1117] That's cool, too.

[1118] But if you're going to say something impactful, like, you need to be ready to defend those things that you said, those statements.

[1119] And you have to back them up, first of all, they have to be funny, but back them up with intelligence.

[1120] And I think when you come from a place of only wanting to make people feel good, my jokes are not designed to hurt, those are easier to back up versus I said something mean just for the fun of it.

[1121] Yeah.

[1122] I don't subscribe to that.

[1123] I don't get comics who do that.

[1124] I don't know why you do that.

[1125] I don't know why you'd set out to hurt a chunk of people deliberately.

[1126] I think they just try to get a reaction.

[1127] I think there's a lot of people out there that are just sort of fishing for a reaction.

[1128] You know, they don't even think it's funny.

[1129] They just think other people will react to it.

[1130] That's the internet.

[1131] Yeah.

[1132] That's what TikTok is.

[1133] I don't love doing this, but other people like that I do it.

[1134] And that's why you're fucking depressed, America.

[1135] Do you look at the fucking user policy on TikTok and how how invasive it is and how much it sucks your data and how much it actually if you're on TikTok your other computers that aren't even connected to TikTok they have access to all that data it's fucking scary TikTok is Chinese spyware yeah that's really what it is yeah I don't fuck with it I do yeah I watch a lot I don't watch it I don't use it I am very protective of my algorithm and I find that in watching it I've gained an education about a lot of things social things that I kind of just they weren't in my purview before so I like that but I'm very protective about what I like and what I watch because it will it'll just show you more of that um this is a very deceptive company it is the company has been funneling information to China and pretending they're not it's like if you go and look at the violations and if you go look at like there was a software engineer that back engineered the TikTok software so it's like the most invasive of privacy software he's ever seen.

[1136] But they have this video where there's a Pomeranian.

[1137] That's how they get you.

[1138] You know, you ever seen the difference between Chinese TikTok and American TikTok?

[1139] Like American TikTok is like stupid dances and pranks.

[1140] Chinese TikTok highlights scientific achievements, like athletic achievements.

[1141] There is a difference.

[1142] My algorithm is a lot of social conversations.

[1143] It's not the dancing or anything like that.

[1144] My algorithm is almost, it's almost boring.

[1145] It's a lot of, like, etymology.

[1146] It's a lot of like, here's why the world is carved up how it is.

[1147] A lot about Iran recently.

[1148] Like, it's my news feed almost.

[1149] Well, that's good.

[1150] I mean, that is an interesting thing, right?

[1151] That you can cultivate your algorithm.

[1152] And you just find things you choose on, continue to click on those.

[1153] And eventually it sort of sorts you out.

[1154] And I think it's more sensitive.

[1155] I could be wrong about this than the Instagram algorithm.

[1156] On TikTok, like, it almost like morphs in real time.

[1157] Instagram, like, I deeply don't care about Bella Haddi.

[1158] And it's like almost all that it shows me. Hmm.

[1159] Do you follow other celebrity type things or models or something like that?

[1160] No. Nothing like that.

[1161] She's a celebrity model.

[1162] Is that what she is?

[1163] Yeah.

[1164] And it's just constant like fan accounts about her.

[1165] And I'm like, I don't know what I've ever done to do this.

[1166] Can you like right click on that or something?

[1167] Or is it an option to say I'm not interested in this?

[1168] I do.

[1169] I do it.

[1170] And it takes forever.

[1171] Like maybe because I listened to a The Weekend song a week ago.

[1172] What does that do with?

[1173] Because they dated.

[1174] Oh, they did.

[1175] No, so I tend to move away Instagram.

[1176] That's what does.

[1177] That's how the I mean, I'm making a joke.

[1178] You're not off.

[1179] It's weird.

[1180] I've got weird things for things it shouldn't be showing me stuff.

[1181] And a lot.

[1182] How are we here now?

[1183] Because I think it wants to show you because they know that people like this and I'm like, but I don't and Instagram's a very millennial app and the curation of it and the way it looks and TikTok is very Gen Z and I enjoy I enjoy TikTok but it does.

[1184] There's something deeply dark.

[1185] The vibration of it is very low.

[1186] if that makes any sense to you when you're on it and I've said this before like I liken it to like speed eating candy you're like this is so delicious I love this I want more vanishing caloric density and then when you turn off you're like I feel really awful I feel sick it has a low vibration to it it doesn't feel positive right like you're not educating yourself you're just consuming short attention span nonsense yes like in the moment I'm like oh my god of course I want to know that like Marie Antoinette's 10 favorite desserts.

[1187] Like, that's historical.

[1188] And then you turn off, you're like, who the fuck is going to ask me about this?

[1189] Right.

[1190] Why did I do that?

[1191] Why do I need to know what the gatekeeper at Area 51 looks like, what his favorite shirt?

[1192] Like, what am I looking at here?

[1193] Well, it's definitely the most addictive at all the apps, because everybody I know that uses it says the same thing.

[1194] They're like, dude, I can't put it down.

[1195] Can't put it down.

[1196] And I talk about it in my book, the commodification of your own nostalgia marketed back to you by someone who never experienced it feels deeply sinister.

[1197] So like there will be accounts on there.

[1198] So I'm 39, right?

[1199] So like right now, the 90s and the 2000s are very in, right?

[1200] So you get these accounts that'll be like, come along with me and remember Christmas break 2002.

[1201] And they show you images that tap into your nostalgia.

[1202] These are hyper -effemeral things and then they're gone and you get sad looking at it because the world feels so scary now.

[1203] But the person curating that didn't experience that.

[1204] They're just taking my memories and regurgitating them to me and monetizing them.

[1205] I think that's very black mirror.

[1206] That's upsetting to me. It is very black mirror.

[1207] That's a lot of what the internet is right now is very black mirror.

[1208] It's getting very weird.

[1209] It's weird and weirder.

[1210] And if they ever institute a social credit score system, which is one of the most terrifying things that are being discussed, that's going to be very fucked.

[1211] Because then you're going to see incentivized behavior changes in people that are just because they're worried about losing access to their bank account or losing access to travel, which is what they have in China.

[1212] Like if you act like an asshole, you lose privileges?

[1213] Not even act like an asshole if you tweet something bad about the government.

[1214] If you tweet an opinion that's unfavorable, if you, I mean, that's what they have in China.

[1215] In China, they have a centralized currency, a digital currency, and they're trying to push for that in America.

[1216] And if they have a centralized digital currency, which means the government has access to turning on or off your ability to spend money.

[1217] So, like, say if you tweet something that you don't like this decision about Roe v. Wade and fuck the government and fuck these old Supreme Court people, they'll stop your ability to fly.

[1218] Sure, sure, sure.

[1219] That's scary because that's how you engineer social behavior.

[1220] You can engineer it with a social credit score system.

[1221] Right.

[1222] It will 100 % be engineered towards maintaining profits for who - someone, someone somewhere.

[1223] whatever special interest groups, funding, whatever campaign.

[1224] Well, that's the argument on the other side.

[1225] You know you talk about freedom when people shit on America and they're like, oh, I hate when people talk about Nazi Germany or the Holocaust because it's people who are just using it as a pawn in an argument.

[1226] The fact that I'm allowed to sit here and say whatever the fuck I want and there's not secret police outside is a beautiful thing.

[1227] And yes, there are countries where you can also do that, but that is something that's very special.

[1228] Like, I am not afraid, I'm afraid of some people saying horrible things to me, but I'm not afraid of my financial viability and my family safety.

[1229] Right.

[1230] Because I said I don't like a government decision or the president or whatever.

[1231] Yeah.

[1232] Well, that's the level of freedom that we have here that doesn't exist in Iran, for example.

[1233] Well, you know, that's this woman who was killed for not having her headscarf on property.

[1234] It is ignited this wave of protests all over the world and all through Iran where they're just.

[1235] really freaking out and recognizing like this has got to fucking change.

[1236] So her name was Masa Mini and they have this morality police there.

[1237] So her hijab was off by like an inch or two.

[1238] And they will come and take you even if you are properly dressed.

[1239] It's just this like downer police that comes and they beat her into a coma.

[1240] Another girl recently, I have goosebumps because I reposted a story about her.

[1241] Really pretty girl dancing on TikTok murdered.

[1242] Like they just come and take you.

[1243] And I'm on TikTok and there are there's footage of this.

[1244] of these people being arrested and beaten and killed and they're saying they the government is turning off our internet please be our voice and so then you start to think like as a woman as a as an american like how can i help this you can't like donate money they're literally saying please show the world because we can't and it's happening to girls normal girls that could be one of your friends and it's so terrifying and that's what this uprising is like at a certain point sometimes just like enough is enough and that's that's what they're doing.

[1245] And I've just done my part in trying to amplify that for them and sharing those videos because I think a lot of people don't know that's happening.

[1246] We don't live in a world where the government, I mean, they control a lot, but like they're controlling your internet.

[1247] Like, they're not going to turn your internet off.

[1248] It was privatized.

[1249] And so that's what's happening with them.

[1250] And they're in the streets and there's footage of girls like pushing back against guards coming to their schools, trying to arrest them.

[1251] Civil unrest in the streets.

[1252] Families just being murdered, girls, young girls just being killed.

[1253] I think somebody said something.

[1254] I don't know if there's right that like 80 % of the population in Iran is like Gen Z or something because of how many people get killed.

[1255] I'm like, don't quote me on that.

[1256] But there's, it's a crazy thing.

[1257] And this is not, I think it's very easy for people to look at the Middle East and think of it as the way that we portray it in movies.

[1258] But Iran was a normal.

[1259] I mean, we have a lot of Jews and a lot of non -Jews in L .A. that are Persian that came there with tons of money, you know, after the ousting of the Shaw in the 70s.

[1260] this was a place that had movie theaters and women wearing skirts and like it was normal kind of like Afghanistan was at some point the way that these women are being treated now like this was not the way that it always was right and they deserve fucking better nobody deserves anything even close to it's very scary when a country can decline into a religious dictatorship and that a country that didn't used to be because it makes you worry like could that happen here like or any kind of dictatorship you like one of the i was having a conversation with a friend of mine we were talking about north korea and i had yonmi kim yonmi park rather on who uh escaped from uh north korea and it's a harrowing story i mean and amazing she's she's a really incredible person and the way she tells her story and what she went through right to get out and eventually get to america and we were talking about it i was like you know what's fucked is like that is happening right now in 2022 yeah with human beings beings in the world.

[1261] And that is not happening in America, but it could.

[1262] All we would need is a series of events to go horribly wrong, whether it's some kind of chaotic war, shutting off the power grid, some sort of a civil unrest, something crazy where some faction of government offered a solution and came in and cracked down on everybody and instituted very rigid guidelines or how you could behave and react.

[1263] And that's what they did in Korea.

[1264] They said that in North Korea, they took away people's land and they said we're going to make sure that you always have food and the way we're going to do this is by take away your land so they took away everybody's land and then they were fucked and then no one had any power starving you can do anything yeah they had a they had a i've watched a couple documentaries on north korea they had a government program and the plant was called like let's all eat one meal a day where everybody like they tried to brainwash people into thinking like this was the way to be and there was no grain and they and no rice no food Everybody got one meal.

[1265] And when people would visit, like, foreign emissaries, whatever, they would put on these productions and sing songs about how bountiful their produce and grain was.

[1266] And it's all, it's all, like, it's like a movie set.

[1267] It's all fake.

[1268] Yeah.

[1269] And they will kill three generations of your family if you try to escape.

[1270] Yeah.

[1271] Yeah, that's the thing.

[1272] That's the thing.

[1273] They don't prison them forever.

[1274] I think about all the time, I get nervous about our country being headed for a civil war because of how, like, like, the disparity between the two sides, and I think about that, and I think about, I get very upset.

[1275] Of course, I have a daughter, but I think about, like, I don't know that I have the financial resources to be okay if that broke out.

[1276] I don't know how to start a fire.

[1277] I don't know how to, like, purify my own water.

[1278] I think about, like, those kind of weird things, because what do you do?

[1279] It's not, well, that's, that's a worry for sure, how to get food, how to get water.

[1280] The real worry is people.

[1281] When people get desperate and people get scared and, and, When the resources run low, that's when lawlessness happens.

[1282] And then you get a Mad Max -type deal.

[1283] And it's possible.

[1284] It'll be over water, I believe.

[1285] Could be.

[1286] Yeah.

[1287] Could be over water.

[1288] It could be over food, power.

[1289] It could be over, you know, energy consumption.

[1290] It could be over a lot of things.

[1291] All it would take to really have complete unrest in this country is the power to go out for a month.

[1292] Don't say that.

[1293] It's true.

[1294] Don't say it to the, because then someone will do it.

[1295] Well, they already know.

[1296] They already know.

[1297] The people that could do it.

[1298] They happened in Texas, didn't it?

[1299] No. It almost happened.

[1300] Okay.

[1301] With a grid.

[1302] But it's happening in California constantly.

[1303] They tell you to buy an electric car.

[1304] Everyone has to only, no gas consuming vehicles, no internal combustion engines be sold after 2035.

[1305] And then the next week, they say, don't charge your car.

[1306] Right.

[1307] Because the power grid can handle it.

[1308] Again, what is a person supposed to do?

[1309] It's a good question.

[1310] And then I have a car that's a hybrid.

[1311] and the computer died and now it's got a they're like we need to call Ukraine to get apart I'm like war torn Ukraine that's where their priority is sending me apart from my Volvo cool like you're so fucked you're so at the bottom of a food chain yeah well that's the problem with not having American manufacturing you know one of the companies I work with is origin it's a company that's trying to bring back American manufacturing clothes and they make shoes and now they're making like hunting wear and they're trying to everything is made in America.

[1312] The cloth, the stitching, the thread.

[1313] It's put together in America.

[1314] Is it at a reasonable price point for what it is?

[1315] It's a very reasonable price point.

[1316] And they're trying to make the best stuff they can with what we have here.

[1317] With what we have here.

[1318] Because when you saw during the pandemic, one of the things that was really scary was how much medicine is made overseas.

[1319] Right.

[1320] And how it was very difficult to get things like computer chips.

[1321] Oh my God.

[1322] And from Taiwan, all of this stuff, we, I believe bringing jobs here, creating a robust infrastructure, and And being self -reliant, not on foreign oil, not on foreign anything.

[1323] It can't just be that our number one export is military services and entertainment in this podcast.

[1324] Yeah, it's not good.

[1325] And I think there's a lot of people that woke up to that during the pandemic, but probably not enough.

[1326] Because as soon as things kind of semi go back to normal, people relax and go with the old ways.

[1327] And it's just cheaper to get, look, everyone wants to be a social justice warrior, right?

[1328] Everyone wants to talk about injustice in the world.

[1329] And they want to do it from a fucking phone that's made by slaves.

[1330] And that's real.

[1331] Your fucking phone is pieced together by people who can't afford to do anything else and they're working 16 hours a day in China.

[1332] Well, that's why it's also cheap because of foreign labor laws.

[1333] Exactly.

[1334] We don't have that here.

[1335] We have unions and these types of civil rights.

[1336] And so by and large, you're not getting made in America because it is cheaper.

[1337] People make more money when they do it somewhere else.

[1338] But I want to know how much cheaper?

[1339] How much more would I have to pay for an iPhone if they made it in Ohio?

[1340] where you pay people a reasonable living wage give people health benefits and let them live well but how much would it cost?

[1341] I don't know would it cost twice as much because I'd pay twice as much if I if they had an American version of these phones and a Chinese version of the phones and the American version was you know 50 % more whatever I'd fucking pay it I think as long as people stand people in positions of power stand and make a lot of money then they don't really care about a crumbling infrastructure if I'm a if I am a CEO of a company and my job is to the shareholders, my mission is to them, and profit margins.

[1342] I will take this to another country, and I won't care when this all burns because I'll be on a yacht to Mars.

[1343] Maybe.

[1344] But I would think that if a company came along that did offer an American -made solution where you don't have to feel gross about buying something that you know is made by people that are working for an insanely low amount of money with no benefits whatsoever, or a place like Foxcon where they make iPhones, where they have fucking nets around the building because so many people have jumped off the building and committed suicide that they surround the building with nets.

[1345] Did you know that?

[1346] No. Foxcon.

[1347] Google this.

[1348] Foxcon, the company that Apple employed or contracted to construct iPhones, put them together.

[1349] In China?

[1350] They're so fucked, and the working conditions are so horrific that they put nets around these buildings because so many people were jumping to their deaths.

[1351] Wow.

[1352] That's another thing.

[1353] Right to death.

[1354] Do you have the right to death?

[1355] You do in Oregon.

[1356] I have a friend who's dying right now and he's trying to.

[1357] you go to Oregon.

[1358] He has ALS and it's really bad.

[1359] Oh, that's so awful.

[1360] And he's trying to figure out what to do and, you know, insurance changes, medication.

[1361] He's in constant pain now and he's falling apart.

[1362] That's so fucked up.

[1363] And it's one of those deteriorating, debilitating conditions that doesn't seem to be a real clear...

[1364] No, you don't get better from that.

[1365] Yeah, nothing.

[1366] There's some hope so far with, recently, rather, I should say, with stem cell treatments.

[1367] Yeah.

[1368] I don't, I mean, that's...

[1369] So this is it.

[1370] Okay.

[1371] Those are the nets around Foxcon to keep.

[1372] people from jumping off the fucking roof to their dent.

[1373] That's going to catch you from the 12th story?

[1374] Yeah.

[1375] Yeah.

[1376] What's made in?

[1377] I mean it's not 12 story but it's high enough to just kill you.

[1378] Oh, you say you make an iPhone I thought it would be like a giant factory.

[1379] Well, it's a big factory.

[1380] It is a big factory.

[1381] It just not doesn't have a lot of floors.

[1382] But so many people were climbing up there and jump into their death that they put fucking nets around the building.

[1383] And look at how these people work.

[1384] Just all day.

[1385] All day.

[1386] 16 hours a day.

[1387] Yeah.

[1388] Go back to that picture that you just showed, Jamie.

[1389] is a quote look at this one million workers 90 million iPhones 17 suicides who's to blame yeah that article was from 2011 yeah so it's a lot more now and that was 2011 was the iPhone was only like five years old then right like when does it something like that 708 something like that I mean I think this goes to it's such a blurry the lines are so blurred because there's corporate responsibility there's civil responsibility there's moral obligation there's you know and so i think we have in my book i talk about i'm disgusted with the number of options we have like there's like eight different colors of blue for crocs and i'm disgusted at that i'm disgusted that then that's just a piece of plastic that's eventually going to go into the earth that grosses me out but people are buying it so it's not like we're inundated like people are buying they clearly want all those options why does that bother you it bothers me i guess because overconsumption, conspicuous consumption grosses me out, the overconsumption of luxury grosses me out, and just how materialistic our society is.

[1390] Look, I drive a nice car, I own a home.

[1391] Do you know any crocs?

[1392] I don't own crocs.

[1393] I'm not a big, like, I just, it is all damaging for the planet, but you cannot to blame one branch of that as if they're operating independently.

[1394] Like, this is all just feeding it, and it's so hard to stand for anything because at the end of the day, you know, like, oh, I hate capitalism.

[1395] It's like, oh, but I really want those cups overnight.

[1396] So I'll use Amazon.

[1397] There's no, every day you wake up and you just have to decide what part of the environment do you want to hurt.

[1398] Yeah.

[1399] And you can.

[1400] You're right.

[1401] You're sitting there from a phone and you're sitting there.

[1402] I talk about this in my book and you're sitting there.

[1403] Anything you stand for, you are ripped apart for it because you didn't stand for anything else based on when someone saw you.

[1404] So I'm sitting here and I'm like, we have to save the environment.

[1405] And then someone will be like, why do you, why are you talking about the environment when women in Iran are dying?

[1406] Why are you talking about Iran when over here, black children are dying?

[1407] Why are you talking about that?

[1408] Don't you care about trans lives?

[1409] Like, whatever you stand for, you're faulted because you didn't fix everything in the moment.

[1410] Well, that's also social media again.

[1411] Which becomes very real.

[1412] It's people not having a nuanced perspective on life in general and looking for people to be assholes, and looking for people to blame for things.

[1413] But also looking for people to be your end -all be -all, you know, asking your celebrities to dress, to be a certain thing or to be a good model for your children.

[1414] You're like, you're an artist.

[1415] I'm here to entertain people.

[1416] If you don't like something or if that offends or hurt your kids, then you can control that.

[1417] You should not be looking to anyone to be your God on earth.

[1418] No. And if Kim Kardashian wants to put fat in her butt, what do you care?

[1419] I don't care.

[1420] And Instagram thinks I care.

[1421] And I deeply, deeply don't.

[1422] I was reading something that there's a lot of women who are taking some new, there's some, like an injection that kills your appetite and they're doing it, what is it called?

[1423] I actually know exactly what you're talking about because someone.

[1424] What is it called?

[1425] It mimics had you had like the stomach surgery, like in terms of appetite curbing.

[1426] Right.

[1427] I know this because yesterday someone told me that someone they know got it.

[1428] They were talking about the Kardashians, and they were talking about how they lose all this weight, like the larger girl, what did you call Chloe?

[1429] They were saying that she's always had a problem with weight, now she's ripped, and that this is what these people are taking.

[1430] She's larger.

[1431] You know what the conspiracy on that one is?

[1432] She's O .J. Simpson's daughter?

[1433] Yeah, that's a conspiracy.

[1434] I don't, yeah, I buy it.

[1435] I'd like to get a strand of her hair and run it through a lab.

[1436] I bet you can.

[1437] I bet they'd sell it to you.

[1438] How much?

[1439] I, I don't know, probably, you should have to brush up against her.

[1440] True, you probably couldn't get that close.

[1441] No, security attack, are you?

[1442] I, there's that fine line, you know, as a woman, it's like you don't want to win or whatever.

[1443] I have an issue with that whole family's ethos.

[1444] There were parts of them that I thought were so good, the older parts.

[1445] And I guess at the end of the day, this goes back to, you know, you can't have someone be your end -all, be -all, like whatever they do, these, they seem sad.

[1446] and they live in this bubble they probably have a lot of yes people I think as a consumer put on your fucking hat and realize like these people are not they're selling you tummy tea detox tea waist trainers these are people that are deeply unhappy with their bodies as most women are but they don't you don't have access to the same things they do so you can work out and diet all you want you're never gonna look like that and I think that's really hard for people to wrap their mind around when you look at Instagram and stuff it's really there's that disconnect, that cognitive disconnect of like, no one looks like that, but I sure would like to try.

[1447] Yeah.

[1448] And this is not a happy person, but this is also a person who's been called the larger one and ugly and all these things her whole life.

[1449] This is larger.

[1450] Psychologically, I'm not, it's not your fault, psychologically damaging, but.

[1451] She's, this shot works.

[1452] I can't believe people, I can't believe people keep buying into this.

[1453] I haven't taken it yet.

[1454] Is it that?

[1455] Is it that NFT?

[1456] Are you going to, are you worried about, but is it, Is your appetite bothering you?

[1457] No, it wasn't that.

[1458] It's called, I believe this is what it's called.

[1459] What's the gluteide is like the actual drug, but there's just like other names for it.

[1460] Right there.

[1461] How many times the Kardashians tried to sell us?

[1462] I was trying to see if this is what you were actually talking about with them.

[1463] That is semi -glutide is what I read.

[1464] Yeah.

[1465] So, no, I think I asked them for like weight loss something because of the stuff I was taking.

[1466] I was like, I should be losing weight.

[1467] And they were like, oh, take this.

[1468] Well, what are you eating, buddy?

[1469] No, I changed my dog a little bit.

[1470] You're not big.

[1471] That's where I'm...

[1472] That's why I haven't taken it yet at all either.

[1473] Can I say he's a big boy?

[1474] Can I say he's a big boy?

[1475] You can't say big boy.

[1476] You can't say big girl.

[1477] Big boy's a little...

[1478] Yeah, it's less offensive.

[1479] You can say big girl.

[1480] My thing about the Kardashians is in general...

[1481] This is my take.

[1482] It's like human beings should have personal sovereignty and someone shouldn't influence you that much.

[1483] Yes.

[1484] Like if that bothers you so much that they're materialistic and that they get their butts done, like that's on you.

[1485] And the problem though is I'm saying this as a 50.

[1486] 55 year old wealthy man and I'm not influenced by them but if I was a young girl and I looked to them as being the like that's one of the things that really fucks with people on social media is that you're looking at other people that as these are examples of like what's ideal and then if your body doesn't match that right of your lifestyle doesn't match that and then you have this horrible feeling that you're not valuable you're not worthy and so the problem is that a lot of people look to these very wealthy people with all this plastic surgery is that that is the highest level of achievement because these are the most popular people, the most social media, and the most money.

[1487] And it influences people in a negative way.

[1488] I agree with all of it.

[1489] I agree with all of it.

[1490] You know, if you're younger, that's not your fault that you are looking at that.

[1491] If you are older and we'll say like if you're in your 30s, you have seen this family in particular, but just in general, you've seen social media grown, you've seen this family grown, you've seen all of the snake oil over all this time.

[1492] So for you to be surprised or let down at this point is really more an indictment on your intelligence.

[1493] Really?

[1494] Like, you think the family that would sell their own children for money, you think the family that sold you tummy tea and diarrhea pills, you think the diarrhea pills?

[1495] Did they really have diarrhea pills?

[1496] I think their detox tea gives you diarrhea.

[1497] Does it?

[1498] That's how you detox.

[1499] You take a shot.

[1500] You take a shot.

[1501] You take a shit.

[1502] I don't think that's the mechanism involved in detoxification.

[1503] Detox tea.

[1504] But you would also not take deep.

[1505] That's why it's not real.

[1506] But what is it?

[1507] Tummy T's they make you take a dump.

[1508] I literally have never.

[1509] I've heard people say tummy tea.

[1510] The most thought I've given to it is saying those words.

[1511] Just there.

[1512] I've never thought about it at all.

[1513] Chances are it involves taking a shit.

[1514] Do you know what it is?

[1515] Even the semi -glutide is going to make you have diarrhea.

[1516] Where do you think these times?

[1517] They've got to escape from somewhere.

[1518] You're not sweating out the fat like someone putting in work and but tummy tea is that real what the fuck does that do does it just kill your appetite this was like early 2000s instagram marketing tummy tea these are like detox teas and these family hair gummies everything they push to make your hair they sell everything but isn't it collagen like hair it probably actually does help the the health of hair you can take biotin you know but like i take biotin i'm never going to have like lustrous pony hair like it will grow in.

[1519] I had a baby.

[1520] So it's like, you know what I look like?

[1521] All the hairs in the front broke.

[1522] You know how like Puerto Rican guys get like the Caesar?

[1523] Like it's a very like Guido look.

[1524] That's what I have.

[1525] Like a full Caesar in the front.

[1526] Nice.

[1527] Your hair breaks.

[1528] And it will never, it will never look great.

[1529] No matter how much biotin I take.

[1530] And so I think at a certain age it's on you.

[1531] Like if you're still looking at these petulant women as some sort of inspiration, like that's on you.

[1532] Yeah.

[1533] Yeah, I think so too, but I think you're right about young people.

[1534] The thing that's fucked is that that empty pursuit of fame for no reason.

[1535] Like it used to be that if someone, you know, if you were younger and you look to some celebrity that was a singer, Beyonce, or whoever it was, you're like, God, I wish I was like her.

[1536] Well, that's someone who's like putting out, like, this incredible work of art that affects millions of people.

[1537] They dance to it.

[1538] They sing to it.

[1539] Like, Like, God, that would be amazing to be like her.

[1540] She inspired me to get into music.

[1541] She inspired me to pursue my dreams.

[1542] But when the dreams are just, like, making money and, like, sticking your ass out and, you know, and just taking these doctored pictures.

[1543] I don't feel the need to defend this family.

[1544] The one thing I will say, you know, you have someone, however this came about, made a sex tape with a guy she was dating.

[1545] and that guy's obviously a scumbag.

[1546] I can respect that she didn't just lay down, and I'm saying this is a joke, and take it.

[1547] Like that tape leaked or however they got a hold of it, this was going to be used against her.

[1548] This guy had the tape, and he's had other tapes.

[1549] And to pivot, because there are plenty of people who have leaked sex tapes that have not risen like a phoenix, right?

[1550] Yeah.

[1551] I can be okay with that, and I can be okay with, and I will say this, and I feel like we've talked about this on the podcast, but like if you are not rail thin, if you have thighs, if you are, you know, and this is for a lot of women of color in particular, but even if you're just a white girl and you don't have Nordic model boy hips, these women sort of champion dressing for your curves.

[1552] And when you don't see a reflection, I'm a white upper middle class woman and I still almost like brought to tears when I put on jeans because my thighs are like a little big.

[1553] So they kind of made it okay.

[1554] And I can respect that.

[1555] But anything else, I'm just, I'm just appalled at them.

[1556] But I can respect making it okay if you have naturally the curvy body that they have surgery to get.

[1557] If you have a body like that, I can respect creating a place where, as a girl, you might feel okay about the body that you have.

[1558] The fucked up thing about that whole skinny look, like really scrawny look that some women think is attractive, like men don't think it's attractive.

[1559] That's not something that guys like in generally.

[1560] It actually has less to do with guys and more to do with an inculcation of an ideal, a brainwashing that is hard to unscrub.

[1561] And it has to do, I mean, it's deeply...

[1562] Isn't it from modeling photos?

[1563] Because models...

[1564] Models hangers.

[1565] They're like hangers.

[1566] The clothing hangs and a lot of gay guys model and they model women's bodies after boys' bodies, right?

[1567] This is all about how the clothes will hang and it's so built into our society to be smaller, which ties to feminism and making yourself smaller.

[1568] but I cannot, even though I love my body, like, I look at those women and I'm like, that's what you want.

[1569] Really skinny?

[1570] I'll never have it.

[1571] It doesn't matter, but most women, like, it's just a brainwashing thing.

[1572] You can't get out of that?

[1573] You can acknowledge that that's unattainable, but, and I talk about this in my stand -up forever ago, like, every girl looks at her body.

[1574] You're like, I just want to lose five pounds.

[1575] Even if you don't need to, like, it's a thing.

[1576] And it has less to do with being attractive to a man and just being acceptable.

[1577] and most men, good guys, they don't think about women.

[1578] I always try to explain to women like the thing that what you're putting your body through and what you're putting yourself through mentally with thinking you're unacceptable.

[1579] Most men aren't looking at you like that.

[1580] You at your worst, your husband's probably still like, that looks really good, right?

[1581] Like if your wife didn't shave her legs perfectly, are you going to leave the room?

[1582] No. And I think this has to do with self -esteem and the way that we treat, that we educate women and the disinformation about their bodies, vaginas, thighs, hips, all that stuff that good men don't actually care about all that bullshit.

[1583] Yeah, I think it's the skinny, the really skinny thing.

[1584] It has to be from models.

[1585] It is.

[1586] It has to be because it's not like evolutionarily.

[1587] No. It's not an attractive frame.

[1588] Like evolutionarily, they say that wide hips and large breasts and all that indicates fertility.

[1589] That's exactly right.

[1590] That's why men are attracted to it, naturally.

[1591] That's exactly right.

[1592] But that skinny thing is just so odd because like when you see the cover of Vogue or Vanity Fair and there's some girl with like that gaunt face and they're walking and swishing with this little tiny frame body, it's because something's unattainable, sometimes it becomes very attractive to people that can't attain it.

[1593] It's also ubiquitous.

[1594] Like for the longest time up until quite recently, like that is what was shown to you.

[1595] Mm -hmm.

[1596] Those models, those designers show those models in pictures, in magazines.

[1597] This is what, like, your body was wrong, and that's what it should look like.

[1598] And clothing was made for those bodies.

[1599] And so you grow up, and then all of a sudden, all bodies, all shapes are acceptable, but we can't undo the brainwashing in the back of your brain of, like, your whole upbringing, knowing that, like, because you didn't look like that, your body was wrong.

[1600] I wonder if there's ever been a study on the uptick in anorexia in, like, accordance with, like, how it correlates with fashion magazines.

[1601] I think it's something like 100%.

[1602] Like, when did it happen?

[1603] Like, when, like, was anorexia around in the 1800s or people are starving to death?

[1604] So, being thin, being fat was always a sign of wealth.

[1605] I'm positive that you know this.

[1606] Yeah.

[1607] And the ability to, like, have food and have animal meat and chew the fat actually comes from.

[1608] from when you'd have your neighbors over, you would break out the fat and you would chew on it with your neighbors.

[1609] This is like pre -industrial revolution.

[1610] Yeah.

[1611] You know?

[1612] And then the way women's bodies looked, an hourglass figure was seen as attractive, but you can't have an hour.

[1613] You can't exacerbate your hourglass figure without a whalebone corset, and people would faint from these.

[1614] That's why we had fainting couches.

[1615] So women's bodies were always through the lens of what looked fertile to a man. Right.

[1616] And so much of this stuff fluctuate so much.

[1617] I mean, a tan, having a tan, which is like so important now, used to be a sign that you worked in the fields, that you worked outside.

[1618] Coco Chanel came back from the French Riviera with a tan, and all of a sudden everybody wanted one.

[1619] These things are ephemeral.

[1620] These things are fleeting.

[1621] These things are minute to minute thin eyebrows, you know, now have bushy eyebrows.

[1622] Kim Kardashian always had a black woman's body.

[1623] She modeled her body after a black woman's body.

[1624] That is a fact.

[1625] having the bigger butt.

[1626] She had a bigger book, but getting it bigger, bigger thighs.

[1627] None of it.

[1628] Her thighs were thin.

[1629] It never matched her butt.

[1630] She was emulating what a lot of women of color naturally have.

[1631] Then she stops dating black men and she starts dating Pete Davidson and all of a sudden she's thin.

[1632] And I think that's disgusting.

[1633] Have your body go with that aesthetic.

[1634] Be what you want to be.

[1635] Move into it.

[1636] Why shouldn't she have the choice?

[1637] She can't.

[1638] She does have the choice.

[1639] So why is it disgusting?

[1640] If she doesn't like the big butt, big tit look and she wants to shrink.

[1641] her body down.

[1642] It doesn't feel like it's for you.

[1643] I don't know about that.

[1644] You have to ask her.

[1645] But also it's a reinventing yourself.

[1646] It's like a Madonna thing.

[1647] Like she always reinventing her look or was back in the day.

[1648] Changing your hair color is one thing.

[1649] Getting really toned is another thing.

[1650] This is a huge difference based on the type of person that you're dating.

[1651] Or semi -glutide.

[1652] Get that semi -glutide.

[1653] Maybe it's that tummy tea.

[1654] I don't know what it is.

[1655] Tummy T gives you diarrhea.

[1656] Yeah.

[1657] Medieval times as it goes back to.

[1658] Oh, anorexia.

[1659] History of anorexia nervosa began descriptions of religious fasting during the Hellenistic era and continued into the medieval period.

[1660] Wow.

[1661] The medieval practice of self -starvation by women, including some young women in the name of religious piety and purity.

[1662] Yeah.

[1663] Also concerns anorexia nervosa.

[1664] It is sometimes referred to as anorexia mirabalus.

[1665] So.

[1666] Mirabilis, merabilis.

[1667] The earliest medical descriptions of anorexic illnesses are generally credited to English physician Richard Morton in 1889.

[1668] Oh, excuse me, 1689.

[1669] There's an inextricable connection between women losing weight.

[1670] And like they talk about this one, your connection to being pious.

[1671] And you can even see that connection today when you see women.

[1672] Look at their Instagram profile, right?

[1673] And they are fully plucked, bleached hair, giant cap teeth, right?

[1674] And, you know, very orange county.

[1675] And their bio will say, like, God first.

[1676] There is, did you ever read the Canterbury Tales?

[1677] No. One of the characters, I want to say it was the prioress, who was this, like, very pious holy woman, but he goes into great length describing how expensive her outfit was.

[1678] And there's this connection, like, looking expensive, being close to godliness.

[1679] Like, the better I look, like, clearly I'm, I'm a good.

[1680] good Christian like look at how thin I am look how small I've made myself look at how much I've done this and you're actually just keeping yourself weaker you don't see men doing that as much so there's it all has to do with like contrition being small and staying in line yeah that's interesting right there's not a lot of anorexia with men is there some men I mean it's a thing guys have it yep a lot of like what's the let's see Google this it says it in here uh But it goes into other body dysmorphia.

[1681] Body dysmorphia.

[1682] Men's using steroids and other things like that.

[1683] Right.

[1684] But what is the percentage of men versus women that have anorexia?

[1685] Like how much of a disparity is it?

[1686] Because it must be.

[1687] Estimated to occur in 0 .9 to 4 .3 % of women and 0 .2 to 0 .3 % of men in Western countries at some point in their life.

[1688] So it's a big jump.

[1689] Yeah.

[1690] There's so much...

[1691] I mean, we are...

[1692] I mean, the first thing you often talk about with a woman is her body.

[1693] or her looks and then we get into something else you know you're so we lead with that right I have to think about that when I walk into a room and I walk on stage in a way that a guy doesn't have to work and you can choose to not participate but it's still scrutiny that you face right and it all is connected to falling in line making yourself small and adhering to a standard so I think it's you looked at as a not a heretic or a dissident when you when you are outside of that when you have a bigger body you know it's seen as outland like look at how angry people get at Lizzo because she's a large woman who like dares to be large versus being like I'm so sorry I will work on this.

[1694] Is that why they get angry at her?

[1695] I don't think she's First of all I'm not paying attention to anyone getting angry at Lizzo so I'm just guessing here but I don't know any what is what's the anti -Lizzo I mean I don't group I'm not a Lizzo fan or not a fan but people I'm not a fan of how angry people get at she's fat which is something in our society that we don't like.

[1696] Conservative uproar.

[1697] Oh, the James Madison flute thing.

[1698] I think they were worried that she was twerking while she had this two -year -old flute.

[1699] They're not worried about the flute.

[1700] They're not worried about the flute.

[1701] I don't get it.

[1702] I don't know.

[1703] I don't get most people what they get upset at.

[1704] I really don't.

[1705] I don't give a fuck what people do as long as they're not hurting anybody else.

[1706] That's what I'm saying.

[1707] This girl, God forbid, you are a larger black girl and you grew up with no one to look at and then you get a girl like this.

[1708] So let them look at her.

[1709] Let them be okay with her.

[1710] You don't have to listen to her music.

[1711] I think it's what we're talking about earlier with social media.

[1712] It's this outrage that just people look at things to get upset by.

[1713] There's so many people that wake up in the morning, they grab their phone, they go, what am I pissed off at today?

[1714] And they just scroll scrolling through Instagram and scrolling through TikTok and scrolling through their news feed and they find something to get pissed about.

[1715] And then they post it and hope people will get upset with them.

[1716] With them.

[1717] And I'll do you one better, not just get upset with them.

[1718] They hope in taking you down.

[1719] they can then have your light and replace you.

[1720] They're hoping to capitalize off of taking you down, which is why they've done it publicly.

[1721] Yeah.

[1722] If you get a podcaster that's like I fucking hate Joe Rogan, he's hoping that all of your listeners will be like, yeah, fuck him and then go over to his podcast.

[1723] They want to replace you.

[1724] This is not, and devour you.

[1725] And so that's the danger of social media is that you get these people who think their shit don't stink and then they try to cancel you.

[1726] You ever heard that there's a, great quote all criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs i completely agree with that i don't think all criticism but i think a lot i think there's different types of criticism there's critique and there's criticism well there's valid criticism about things but then there's also a lot of social behavior particularly online i think it applies online in a great way i think it's you know what i think it is i think none of people have been punched in the fucking face whoa think about that sounds like me there's a way that you talk to people right like no respect i'm just saying it's saying.

[1727] I mean, there's a reason where friends, the people, the way they sound off, I always say at the end of the day, like, as a comic, you might say things that you make a mistake or whatever, but at least I had the guts to say it, put my face with it, and stand there in front of people and say it.

[1728] I didn't fire it off from the fucking toilet behind an avatar of a dumpster.

[1729] Like, at least I had that, and nobody ever comes up to you in person and says what they said online.

[1730] Right.

[1731] Because they don't have the ball.

[1732] I don't want them to.

[1733] I don't want to get in a fight, but at least give respect to the person who's willing to stand there and take the heat, take the joke, take the laugh.

[1734] Yeah, I think there's a real issue that comedians have in particular of reading too many people's opinions.

[1735] I think it's bad for you.

[1736] I don't really do.

[1737] It is bad.

[1738] And I don't think you have to because you are sitting at the top of a very big pile of many and you have this.

[1739] You don't have to.

[1740] You are not on the ground trying to, you know.

[1741] But I stopped before I had to.

[1742] I mean, I could have read all that stuff years ago, but at some point in time, I had made a conscious decision.

[1743] I'm like, this is not healthy.

[1744] I don't feel good.

[1745] And it's also, it's not representative of, did you see that fucking thing today?

[1746] You know, Elon Musk is going ahead and he's buying Twitter.

[1747] He's going ahead with the deal.

[1748] The people rejoice.

[1749] Yes.

[1750] I rejoice.

[1751] Fuck censorship.

[1752] And there was someone who was.

[1753] a, I think it's a software security specialist who believes that as many as 80 % of the accounts on Twitter are fake.

[1754] That was the high estimation.

[1755] Did you read that?

[1756] That's so fucked up.

[1757] Yeah, Jimmy Dore was talking about it on his podcast, and I saw the YouTube clip of it.

[1758] But sounds insane because Elon was speculating that it could be as high as 20 or 30 % I think he was thinking because, you know, it's hard to know.

[1759] But, I mean, if they decide, like, and here it is, over 80 % of Twitter accounts are likely bots, former FBI security specialist.

[1760] Holy fucking shit.

[1761] Like, what's the point of using the platform then?

[1762] Well, I think maybe there's a way to find out if a person's a bot at some point in time.

[1763] Okay, listen to this.

[1764] Former FBI agent noted that bots are generally designed to accomplish a goal.

[1765] In Twitter's case, a key goal is to gain followers.

[1766] More followers mean that an account becomes more influential and can potentially be a security risk.

[1767] What's interesting is that there's means to get bots for Twitter with countless entities offering Twitter accounts, followers, likes, and retweets for a fee.

[1768] Some are even offered in the dark or deep web.

[1769] It's also an explanation for someone who hasn't used the internet before.

[1770] I feel like this is, I think I showed you this on the podcast like four years ago.

[1771] Right, but it was before they thought it was that many, right?

[1772] So look at this.

[1773] Woods used these services or a Twitter account he created, and sure enough, they do work.

[1774] The former FBI agent paid less than $1 ,000, but the account has now gained almost 100 ,000 followers.

[1775] Woods even tried posting straight gibberish and paying a fee to have his followers retweet it, and they did.

[1776] Oh, gibberish.

[1777] Sorry.

[1778] I thought you...

[1779] Yeah, gibberish.

[1780] Nonsense.

[1781] With this experience in mind, Woods took his test further, and the results were pretty damning for Twitter's anti -bought measures.

[1782] He says, I began to wonder how easy it would be to create a Twitter account using automation.

[1783] I'm not a programmer, but I researched automation frameworks on YouTube and Stack Overflow.

[1784] Turns out, it's easy.

[1785] Taking my testing to the next level over a weekend, I wrote a script that automatically creates Twitter accounts.

[1786] My rather unsophisticated script was not blocked by any countermeasures.

[1787] I didn't try to change my IP address or user agent or do anything to conceal my activities.

[1788] If it's that easy for a person with limited skills, imagine how easy it is for an organization of highly skilled, motivated individuals.

[1789] That's why it's creepy because once, so Elon Wright goes, sure sounds higher than 5%.

[1790] oh yeah so it's like what are we doing here it's just some people are using it there's real content but it's like we have to learn how to separate noise and the problem is when it's like opinion -based stuff they can influence other people's opinions by saying outrageous things about people and do it like that's why it's scary is during election time because if they're using these things to try to change the way people view things.

[1791] things.

[1792] There's a lot of people that are very easily influenced.

[1793] And they can use these Twitter bots.

[1794] Capital should be safe.

[1795] Yeah.

[1796] I think I mean, I think that if I were president, and feel free to poke a hole in this, your social security number is tied to your social media handle.

[1797] I think that's a great idea.

[1798] And you can say whatever you want, but just know there's ramifications.

[1799] And if you want to and there will be a committee to see if you were stupid or in on it when it comes to dispensing disinformation.

[1800] Because it's not your fault if you thought something was true or good, but if you are deliberately saying things like school shootings don't happen, Sandy Hook was a joke, you should be held accountable for this than someone was.

[1801] But you should be held accountable for the information that you espouse, just like we are.

[1802] I think that might be the only way to do it, is to connect a social media account to a social security number.

[1803] That's the only thing that you have, like, from birth.

[1804] But that was the only way, like, otherwise, this thing that he's talking about, how else would you stop that?

[1805] But then there's problems like, would if you tweeted, anti -government stuff and you lived in a country where the, you know, the government was, you know, autocrat government and they cracked down on you and had you killed.

[1806] Because they could connect you to the post where you couldn't have an anonymous account because anonymous whistleblowers are very important.

[1807] That's true too.

[1808] I mean, that's what Arab Spring was all about.

[1809] That's how you mean, you can overthrow bad governments with that too.

[1810] Maybe just with it.

[1811] I mean, then you can't do it within the U .S. because it's a global thing.

[1812] Again, I don't have the answer.

[1813] But there is just no people.

[1814] People just go on, they say horrific things, they incite horrific things, and then they just turn it off and it's gone.

[1815] So there should be a way to connect it, just so there's some culpability.

[1816] But I'm sure they'll find a way to make that dark.

[1817] I mean, culpability, I think, is important, but what also is important is that we figure out, like, human beings have to get way better at communicating with each other over these platforms because they're so new.

[1818] And we don't really, you know, we don't have a historical precedent of how to behave and try.

[1819] treat people through social media.

[1820] Of course not.

[1821] It's all in real time.

[1822] Yeah.

[1823] And everyone's punished in real time.

[1824] And what's so fucking weird is that everybody acts as if they're doing it perfectly.

[1825] Yeah.

[1826] Well, until it comes down on them.

[1827] There's a lot of those wokesters to get fucking tackled.

[1828] It's hilarious.

[1829] It will come down on you.

[1830] A lot of people who are throwing rocks eventually get pelted in the fucking head with one.

[1831] And it's like, wow.

[1832] That's what I'm saying, bro.

[1833] Yeah.

[1834] That's what I'm saying.

[1835] That's what I'm saying.

[1836] All right.

[1837] I got to get out of here.

[1838] Thank you, Liza.

[1839] I have to go to.

[1840] Your special.

[1841] I've had to pee for quite some time and I've held it.

[1842] Oh.

[1843] Had my tummy teeth.

[1844] your special comes out October 11th.

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[1846] Forever.

[1847] It's forever, baby.

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[1849] And your book is out, is it out now?

[1850] It's pre -order now and it's out October 11th as well.

[1851] Oh, a double dose of Eliza on October 11th.

[1852] Double dose, double vaccine.

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