#1227 - Mike Tyson

[0] Three, two, one.

[1] Boom, and we're live.

[2] What's happening, Joe?

[3] What's up, Mike?

[4] Tom Cigura's in the house for a few minutes here to stop by to say hi.

[5] I can't believe you've never had a cup of coffee.

[6] Never.

[7] You want something?

[8] No. That might be the most outrageous thing about you.

[9] It's that you've never had coffee.

[10] Your whole life, you've never had coffee.

[11] Did you just tea, never coffee?

[12] No one never offered you a cup of coffee?

[13] You never went to Starbucks?

[14] Never.

[15] A tea, some donuts.

[16] What about like a...

[17] When I was in, when I was in rehab, you always got to go to Starbucks because the meeting's right outside of Starbucks.

[18] You always hang out of Starbucks.

[19] Right.

[20] But never for coffee.

[21] You didn't want to try it?

[22] Never.

[23] That is, that...

[24] How about like girlfriends' wives?

[25] Like, none of them ever like drag coffee at home?

[26] I'm sure they have, but I never really.

[27] My wife drinks it.

[28] And you just, nothing?

[29] Never.

[30] No, no. Well, all the stuff I did, the only drug that did you think coffee.

[31] coffee would be nothing yeah that's what I'm saying yeah that's what I'm saying like it doesn't make any sense when when did you first try any drugs um kid 10 year old 9 year old what kind of shit smoking and drinking right then as I got older I tried acid how old when you first tried that probably 11 wow yeah real young Jesus man wow that's really young wow that's really young wow but when you were the champ when you were in your prime like when you like when like when you beat Trevor burbank were you doing anything back then it's drinking a lot drinking a lot really yeah that's amazing would you go clean for camp or like yes it can't just for camp yeah yeah but outside like once fights over and so yeah I'm an animal yeah yeah yeah you were the first guy that I ever use as an example of uh to break that old myth that you can't have sex before fights and I was like well that's out the window for sure because you would you would talk about all the time you'd be like yeah yeah pretty much yep your logic made sense too you're like i don't want to think about it i don't want to be thinking about sex i'll just get it out of the way yeah and it's over with you do you have to do it you have you refuel for the next um six weeks and yes going with your fight do you think that was a myth that it made you weak yeah i think it's a myth yeah it doesn't seem to make sense it seems odd yeah and then like whenever there's the olympics that would inspire you more so then you know disintegrate you yeah I would think.

[32] They said that the Olympic, you know, where the athletes stay is just like fuckfest.

[33] Of course.

[34] I would think so, yeah.

[35] They have the boys and the girls.

[36] They're the same vicinity.

[37] Also, probably you want to alleviate some anxiety.

[38] Anxiety.

[39] Freaking out.

[40] You're at the Olympics.

[41] You know, you're 18 years old.

[42] And everyone's in amazing shape.

[43] Dressed out.

[44] Stressed out.

[45] Yeah.

[46] When you were first coming up and when you were first, like when you were a kid dynamite, on Sports Illustrated, I'll never forget that, man. That was a, that your era from like, you know, the 80s, the late 80s, that era, like, it was a big part of my youth, you know, like, you being, yeah, man, you being the champ.

[47] It was like, it was a change of things because when Larry Holmes was the champ as a boxing fan, I loved Larry Holmes.

[48] Like, there's that cover.

[49] You were 19 years old, right?

[50] It's nuts.

[51] When Larry Holmes was a champ, as a boxing fan...

[52] Wow, you still got that stuff, man. You can still get those.

[53] Yeah.

[54] Sports Illustrated.

[55] It's the internet.

[56] You can find it on the internet.

[57] That's how Jamie got it.

[58] I had that sports illustrated.

[59] But when Larry Holmes was a champ, as a boxing fan, I appreciated him.

[60] I knew he was a great fighter.

[61] You know, we'd get together with friends and watch, like, the Michael Spinks fight with Larry Holmes.

[62] Yeah.

[63] When Spinks beat him for the title.

[64] It was a big deal.

[65] But it wasn't a big deal.

[66] deal culturally yeah people didn't care as much but then you came around and when you came around all of a sudden everybody's watching heavyweight boxing if heavyweight boxing wasn't it wasn't boring again it was the the most crazy exciting thing in sports when your fights would go on it would be about should I pay for this because how long is this going to last like that never yeah that's pretty weird people tell me about the time they all chipped in yeah turn a fight on this hopefully I never think about it like that you know And sometimes when it comes from my realization of the situation, I forget that I'm that guy.

[67] I forget that I trained that hard and I became a fighter and stuff.

[68] Yeah, that's what I was getting to ask you.

[69] Like, does it seem like a dream?

[70] Yeah, pretty much like a blur.

[71] Because I couldn't imagine what it would be like to be 19 years old, 20 years old, to be that fucking famous.

[72] It was a trip.

[73] Who can handle that?

[74] Can anybody handle that?

[75] No, it was a trip.

[76] But it was just what custom model, you know, That was his blueprints to make me this teenage superstar.

[77] Did he give you advice on how to handle pressure and fame?

[78] Oh, the pressure and everything.

[79] But, you know, he says really no ingredients on how to handle fame.

[80] You know what I mean?

[81] We have to see what Department of Fame is your problem, and we have to work on that issue from there.

[82] But no one knows how to conduct himself under that kind of pressure.

[83] No. It's the level of fame, too.

[84] It's like there's so many, you realize there's so many levels of fame and then Mike's is still just extraordinary where like people, people walk away from their job, like in an airport, they're supposed to be at the cash register and they run out.

[85] You know, they leave their job to go say hi.

[86] That's not, you know, most of the time you're like, oh, that's who that person is.

[87] It's a totally different thing.

[88] how weird is that that's pretty weird it took time for me to get used to that stuff I used to be one of those get the fuck away from me man what are you doing you creep you know because I never knew how to conduct myself Mike come here take a picture my mother take a picture of my kid take a picture here I love you just and that I'm like whoa dude cool out you know but now you know I understand this is just what it is it is and you're not going to be able to stop it yeah I've seen you at the UFC before you're very calm around people when people grabbing at you want to take pictures, you just relax.

[89] The USC is awesome because everybody's nuts.

[90] Yeah, it's definitely a wild environment.

[91] What do you think Khabib's going to do now?

[92] What I think, who?

[93] Kabib?

[94] Yeah.

[95] Well, he does whatever the fuck he wants to do.

[96] That's what I think.

[97] I think that guy's probably the best lightweight of all time.

[98] He's a monster.

[99] Incredible.

[100] He, I think he's probably going to have some fights at 170 pounds eventually, if I'd imagine.

[101] at 155 there's you know there's good fights for him Tony Ferguson's a great fight for him I'm really interested in seeing that I'm really interested in seeing him going up I'm really interested in seeing him fight at 170 pounds who looked at them to fight well first of all Tyron Woodley who's the champ at 170 that would be an insane fight George St. Pierre if he decided to come back and make a big super fight that would be an insane fight I think 170 has a lot of opportunities for him but I think 155 does too They just have to figure out who's going to fight him.

[102] He's an international superstar now.

[103] You know, Khabib, especially the way he smashed Connor.

[104] Connor's such a superstar already.

[105] That the way Kabeeb won and did it so dominant, I think he's through the roof now.

[106] I think when he comes back and people see the pay -per -view numbers of his fights are going to realize how huge this guy is.

[107] Because he's so interesting.

[108] He's very humble, very, very, he's very polite, very well -spoken, very religious guy.

[109] lives with his family lives with his parents lives with his parents and his family I believe I hope I'm not speaking out of school I believe that's true and obviously it doesn't have to for money I mean he's rich as shit now but he's just a monster best best grappler I've ever seen inside the 155 pound division he just smashes people What you think about John Jones though What in what way And his skills He's phenomenal Incredible the best ever at using distance He knows distance better than anybody He's a master at knowing When he can hit you can't hit him.

[110] I miss watching him fight you know I mean he's not fighting as much anymore he's back he just won the title again just fought Alexander Gustavson yeah yeah a couple weeks ago yeah for baking title it was Daniel Cornier relinquished his title and it was like it's weird right like Cormier is the champ because John Jones tested positive for something so they stripped him and then Cormier became the champ it's you know I think they'll probably fight again whether they fight again at heavyweight or heavy weight.

[111] Really?

[112] Yeah, I think Cormier and John Jones.

[113] If Carmier wants to keep going, but he says he wants to retire soon.

[114] He's 40, you know?

[115] Yeah.

[116] He still looks good, though.

[117] He looks great, especially at heavyweight.

[118] At heavy weight, he doesn't have to cut weight, he's got so much strength and just so agile.

[119] He's such a unbelievable wrestler, too.

[120] I mean, his wrestling skill, his skill level and understanding of wrestling is so high, so above most people.

[121] Anybody he fight outside of John Jones, he dominated.

[122] Yeah, yeah.

[123] That's how good John is.

[124] John's that good.

[125] He's that, I mean, it just sucks that he's had so many controversies in his life, but I'm hoping he puts all that shit behind him.

[126] Have you ever spoken with him about that?

[127] Yeah, never about his personal life, anything, but we met before and talked.

[128] But you're a guy who's gone, I mean, when you went through legal problems yourself, you overcame, you came out of it on the other end, I think.

[129] Would think a guy like him could benefit a lot from talking to a guy.

[130] Yeah, but, you know, so it's just so difficult and it's so unfortunate that he has to go through something like that, you know.

[131] Do you think so?

[132] Yes, it's really unfortunate, you know, because sometimes people, they don't survive situations like that.

[133] Because they're so wild and they're having a good time too much and they're partying, the end of the champ.

[134] It has to come to an end.

[135] That stuff, if you don't bring it to an end, it's going to come to his own end.

[136] It might not like that way it ends.

[137] Yeah.

[138] So you think for a guy like him, maybe getting in trouble was a good thing?

[139] If only if you learn from experiences like that, you know.

[140] I was just a wild guy.

[141] I was really a wild guy I look at myself now I say to myself when I spent all those trips in those psych woods and stuff I said what was that all about what was wrong with me back then you know yeah and I was really disturbed back then but you're somebody who got to the point where you got like it's really fascinating because I know you're a public figure so I've been able to watch you my whole life you went through all that stuff and then you got to this point where you're very self -reflective and you look You are able to comment on it.

[142] I don't think most, I mean, most people, regardless of whether they're famous or not, just still don't get to that point where they're able to look back and examine who they were and doing wild shit.

[143] With ruthless honesty.

[144] Yeah.

[145] You have to reflect on yourself to discover who you really are.

[146] Yeah.

[147] When you're 20 years old and all of a sudden you're the heavyweight champion in the world just a few years ago, you were poor.

[148] And now all of a sudden you're the king of the world.

[149] That's really crazy.

[150] You know, so young, it's really crazy I was unable to handle it I wasn't expecting that That was a really sucker punch right there That's a real sucker punch right there I wasn't ready for that one Charlie Murphy told us a story And it's animated It's on YouTube now Of you and him coming over your house In a limousy And you had a, was it a lion or a tiger?

[151] Tiger Tiger He must have was a lion Something where you have to tiger Dude It is one of the craziest fucking stories So for people that don't know I got to hang out with you at one of my shows one time, and it was a great, I had the best time talking about everything.

[152] What made you think you could get a tiger?

[153] Like, how did that even happen?

[154] Hey, I'm in, this is really interesting.

[155] And so I'm in prison at the time.

[156] So I'm in prison, and I'm talking to my car dealer at the time, and he has some cars that belong to a friend of mine, that's both a friend of ours, and he's discussing if he doesn't pay for these cars, I'm going to sell these cars.

[157] to someone and get some horses and stuff.

[158] I said, well, you can get horses?

[159] And trade horses in for cars?

[160] Because I had a lot of cars.

[161] I said, I'd probably get some horses, too.

[162] And he said, yeah, man, you can get cougars, lions, tigers?

[163] I know this guy got excited.

[164] I said, you do?

[165] Can you get me some tigers?

[166] He said, yeah.

[167] And the guy told me, and the guy said, imagine how cool that big you'd be?

[168] Because I had a bunch of fancy cars.

[169] Imagine that man, you'd be in the Asthma or Ferrari, you have a tiger right next to you, man. That's so awful.

[170] And I'm a young guy.

[171] I'm saying to myself, wow, that would be cool, right?

[172] After year, get me some cubs, man. And then when I came home, I had those cubs right there waiting for me. So you raised them as cubs?

[173] Yes.

[174] Because that's how you were, because I would see footage of you, like, fucking smacking them around and jumping on one of your tigers.

[175] And I was like, holy shit.

[176] I had them listen to their babies.

[177] They had their mothers.

[178] Their mother is from their babies.

[179] Now, it never gets, this is a crazy picture.

[180] You in your underwear with a tiger on a chain.

[181] That is one of the, that is the champ right there.

[182] That's you at peak crazy.

[183] Yeah.

[184] insane.

[185] Tom, what was going through my mind?

[186] I don't know what made me think about my friend said Mike, you can get some awesome animals and I'm saying really, are you serious?

[187] I'm going to get some horses everybody does it though.

[188] Those are one of the things about what's his face from narcos?

[189] Oh, Pablo Escobar.

[190] He got like a fucking zoo out.

[191] Eskabar had a whole crazy zoo.

[192] They all do it.

[193] Once you get like that rich, you're like, just get some animals.

[194] Yeah, you want to fuck with some animals.

[195] You don't get that.

[196] Let's get some animal.

[197] Fuck these people.

[198] And they throw people in there with the lions and tigers, huh?

[199] Get in there, you motherfucker.

[200] It's a real common thing.

[201] They're super rich people.

[202] They start getting lions, tigers, and shit.

[203] Michael Jackson had all that stuff too.

[204] That's right.

[205] Michael Jackson.

[206] Michael Jackson and everything.

[207] Yeah, they had there, too.

[208] You have to have had like a zoo in his backyard.

[209] That's true.

[210] But he had weird shit, like weird birds.

[211] Yeah.

[212] I don't think he may be out a monkey or something.

[213] He did have weird shit.

[214] Nothing dangerous.

[215] I hung up there before at the Playboy Man's.

[216] This is at the end of his career.

[217] It was like in, what was it, 10 years ago or something?

[218] It was pretty awesome.

[219] Yeah, that guy, man, what a life he lived.

[220] You?

[221] Yeah.

[222] In his pajamas.

[223] They're sucking his balls and he's 80 and shit.

[224] Oh, no. Yeah, into his 80s.

[225] Deep into his 80s.

[226] Deep into his 80s.

[227] Yeah.

[228] He really, here's the thing.

[229] That dude lived the lifestyle he was talking about.

[230] You know, a lot of people talk shit.

[231] Yeah.

[232] You don't really do that.

[233] He was really doing it, man. Oh, he was really, I started living that life, so I'd be dark.

[234] I started getting dark.

[235] You can have a little You walk That's just amazing Too much Yeah Wait one other thing I got to run And I wanted Where you going man I gotta go I gotta go meet the wife man Oh yeah I'll do it But they'll do it I read one time Because all right So for people That know I met Mike on a flight And it was a surreal experience You know Like from From being a kid And thinking like This is Superman That's what I thought as a kid It's just You know I mean Like seeing those When you see it as a kid too I think it's different Like, you're just like, whoa, that is so nuts.

[236] Like these 11 -second knockout and you know what's so bizarre periodically.

[237] Even until this day, people come up to me and talk about the experience that they saw him and he talked about meeting me. He said, is that true?

[238] All the time, right?

[239] It's on special.

[240] It's on which news are special.

[241] People ask me, is that true?

[242] Yeah, mostly stories.

[243] And it was a surreal experience and, you know, we spoke on the plane.

[244] And then, like, when I thought we were done talking, you know, I faced forward.

[245] and then he came back and, like, tap me on the shoulder.

[246] I was like, oh, shit.

[247] Like, Mike's talking to me. I'm down here, like seat belted in.

[248] But then we land, and he was like, oh, where's your show?

[249] And I go, oh, it's here.

[250] I give him the number.

[251] Never expect to hear.

[252] Hits me up the next day.

[253] And he's like, we're coming to your show.

[254] And I was like, oh, my God.

[255] And I really did say, like, I'm amazed that you're coming.

[256] And he said, it's all love.

[257] And I just said, I love you.

[258] Because I didn't know what to say.

[259] and then That was good He's like He's like All right man And then I have the phone And then I remember I called the The Pittsburgh Improv manager And I go Hey man I just go You're not gonna believe this But Tyson's coming To the fight tonight He goes Mike Tyson I go no Fucking Tyson chicken Yeah Mike Tyson's coming Tonight He's like I'll corridor off A whole thing And you know And I didn't know He was at the show Because The show had already Started And I didn't see him Arrive when we go back to the green after the show I walk off stage and he grabs me and he goes let's go to the green room so he took me to my green room right like he was like and I was like fuck yeah and we hung out in that green room over an hour and just shooting the shit and talking and when I forgot like the time had passed I opened the door the entire staff entire staff is lined up at the door to meet him like that's the effect that he has on the group you know Like, they're waiting in a line for an hour outside the green room.

[260] And, like, you know, we talked about boxing, about life.

[261] It was, it was fascinating.

[262] One of the things I really appreciated about you as a fighter was, like, that you really knew that you were putting on a show.

[263] So that's something that I feel like I miss, you know, there's no one that put on the show the way you did.

[264] Like, you knew that people bought tickets and paid for the pay -per -view.

[265] And then, you know, it's still, like, one of my great memories, man. It was a thrill to meet you.

[266] So I just wanted to stop by and say hi.

[267] Sounds like you wrapping it up.

[268] I'm ramping it up.

[269] Yeah, he has to go.

[270] I do.

[271] Oh, by the way, did you buy seven bentleys that were the same color?

[272] No, but I bought around seven bentleys before.

[273] Damn.

[274] There were Rose Royces.

[275] I wanted to ask you.

[276] You did give away one when you crashed it, right?

[277] Yeah, let me tell you that story.

[278] I wish I had some time.

[279] I was married at the time, Robin Givens, and we were in some fast food drink.

[280] We were ordering food, and, And she went in my pocket, I guess, to get some money out of my pocket to pay for it.

[281] And she saw some condoms came out.

[282] And she was mad.

[283] So she got in the car.

[284] And then, boom, she crashed the car into another car that was just parked there.

[285] Boom.

[286] And she hit somebody and she hurt their arm.

[287] And then the cops came.

[288] And so the cops came.

[289] And the cops were saying, hey, what happened here?

[290] Right.

[291] And I was afraid that they were going to arrest me or arrest.

[292] So I said, well, Nothing happened, officer.

[293] And the guy was, and it was a guy with broken up.

[294] I said, you know, sir, why don't you just take the car?

[295] You know, you deserve it because you've been doing a lot.

[296] Because I didn't want to get arrested.

[297] I didn't have license anything.

[298] I didn't want my wife to get in trouble.

[299] I said, why don't you just take it?

[300] You know, it was around 230 at the time.

[301] So I don't just take it.

[302] It would be okay.

[303] The guy said, hey, don't tell me that.

[304] And then once he said that, I said, got him.

[305] I said, I got him.

[306] And I said, hey, man, take him, and do this, man. You deserve this.

[307] Take it.

[308] And they took it.

[309] Wow.

[310] But before that, the guy, some guy, arm was broken, and I gave him my money.

[311] I said, her to take the money, and then he came back to the police.

[312] My arm is my brother, coppel.

[313] Now, you can get away from him.

[314] I'm not going to tell you to get away from me no more because he didn't want to mess this deal up with this car.

[315] Because the guy complained, he's not going to get this car.

[316] That's hilarious.

[317] Don't fucking come near me again.

[318] That is hilarious.

[319] So the guy is backed off and I say, hey, go ahead, man. I see you later.

[320] And I took off my wife.

[321] I didn't want us to get in trouble.

[322] But they made him give away the car, right?

[323] They made him.

[324] Well, he said, I went back to my off, and I said, get my fucking car back.

[325] went to the hall Really?

[326] Yeah He got fired He did?

[327] Yeah He's probably hearing his night I'm gonna get that Baster Tyson So you gave it I wanted my Indian give I wanted my car back Oh no You imagine Mike Tyson calls you up And says Give me my fucking Carbby Like shit Yeah It's outside man I got it God damn it What was I thinking I got to tell you something You guys know I embarked on the marijuana been This has been this right This beautiful box that is a beautiful box by the way That's so awesome Thank you man for accepting My pleasure I'm honored That's a cool ass box man Yeah Tyson Ranch is going to be opening up pretty shortly You guys have I saw the plans This is a big deal I mean this place is gigantic Which state?

[328] It's in California It is here Oh cool Yeah they're setting up like a resort Really?

[329] Yeah It's going to be the best facility in the world, man It's going to have an acre long Lake Wow You could go like stay You know it's going to be camping Glamping like glamping Glamorous camping Glamorous camping How about some guys?

[330] Some tigers and shit Put some wild animals It's a possibility My partner Rob Hickman was discussing that too Where are those tigers Well I had them for like 14 years So I had to get rid of it You know what do you do when you want to get rid of a tiger A sanctuary Oh I got to run.

[331] I love you.

[332] I love you.

[333] I love you.

[334] Look, better cannabis, dude.

[335] There it is.

[336] Yeah, congrats on that, man. That looks dope.

[337] Awesome, man. I'm so excited about this stuff.

[338] This is, um...

[339] I love embarking on this cannabis stuff.

[340] Say how to this is so awesome.

[341] Yeah, you seem to be really enjoying this.

[342] Like when you're talking to your partners out there, you're having a good time with this.

[343] Oh, man. I never thought that in a million years I'd be able to do this and legalize.

[344] Yeah.

[345] When did you start like, regularly smoking weed um since i was like 10 years old the whole time you were fighting you were regularly smoking weed well you know when you're a kid your mother gives you liquor and marijuana for you make you think that you're going to go to sleep or something yeah really yeah that never happened in my house never yeah my mother was alcoholic and stuff damn that's that's harsh liquor and marijuana see if you go to sleep yeah it didn't work i don't think so No, no. Do you, what benefits do you get out of marijuana?

[346] What does it do for you?

[347] Hey, man, if I didn't, I have a bad day.

[348] Yeah, I'm really moody guy without it.

[349] And it just, it smooths me out.

[350] So they take out my whole different person.

[351] I'm really going on top of my game.

[352] I'm boiling.

[353] Yeah, I feel the same way sometimes.

[354] It makes me nicer.

[355] Yeah.

[356] Yeah, it calms me down.

[357] Do you, do you...

[358] And I like who I am.

[359] when I smoke.

[360] You know what I mean?

[361] When I'm, when I weed, I don't sometimes like who I am sometimes.

[362] That's just the real.

[363] Yeah.

[364] Yeah.

[365] I don't like that guy.

[366] I want to get away from that guy.

[367] Well, you know, I was talking to Michael Irvin once.

[368] He was explaining to me that when children grow up in high stress environments, that their genes are wired to have a propensity towards violence.

[369] If they're normal, if it's normal, if it's around them all the time, when they're when they're growing up and when they're in the womb.

[370] Yeah, I agree.

[371] When their mother's under extreme stress, if they live in a bad neighborhood.

[372] And it's, it's hard for some people like yourself that did grow up in an environment like that to ever reach where you're at right now just a place of peace and if you can do that through marijuana or whatever it is yoga meditation whatever whatever you do to get there like we should be happy that you can get there that's what we want listen i'm so grateful that um i embarked on this you know i've never been a person to this it's magnitude of this kind of relaxation i just enjoying my time with you i was very uptight and then any time I was very uncomfortable with myself did you feel any better after you worked out when you were young like that absolutely but my work's out um you know what um the best thing never happened to me that retired from boxing because of me working out and me getting I was so intense with this my whole my whole objective was hurting people and wanting to be the best and my ego took over and I'm like Tyson I'm the best ever living and all this bullshit and um dealing with my partner Rob Hickman I happen to embark on this um Come across this thing called the toad.

[373] Are you familiar with the toad?

[374] Yeah.

[375] Well, you're talking about it was five methoxy -dinephal chip.

[376] Oh, that's it right there, yeah.

[377] And I came across that, and I smoked this, I don't know, this medicine, drug, whatever you want to call it and stuff.

[378] And I've never been the same.

[379] I look at life different.

[380] I look at people differently.

[381] And the experience I can't even express, really.

[382] It's almost like dying and being reborn.

[383] yeah um i had the exact same experience that's what it felt like to me too like you stop existing the five methoxy's uh there's two tell me what's to deal with it what's the hell's going on here five methoxy is produced by your brain but what it is uh it's dmt with an oxygen molecule attached to it this a regular dmtmtis n n dimethyptamine and then five methoxy dimethyptamine is dmt with like a very there's a very subtle change to the molecule and And that subtle change, for some reason, takes away the visuals.

[384] You've done regular DMT, too, right?

[385] Yes.

[386] Regular DMT is rich with visuals, very strained, bright, colorful, impossible to describe visuals.

[387] Yes, it's inconceivable.

[388] Inconceivable is the best way to put it.

[389] Yeah, inconceivable.

[390] I try to explain it to some people, my wives.

[391] It's just I don't have the words to explain it.

[392] That's exactly what I always say.

[393] I've done a terrible job explaining it to everybody.

[394] Every time I've tried, it just doesn't work.

[395] But all those things, they give you perspective.

[396] It's almost like you're dying, you're submissive, you're humble, you know what I mean, you're vulnerable, but you're invincible, still in all.

[397] You know, it's just that weird feeling.

[398] But you feel like you're part of the universe.

[399] When you're separate from your ego, you realize this whole thing, you're a part of this whole thing, and this whole thing is unstoppable.

[400] It's just, it's a gigantic, huge, all -encompassing, almost like a living thing.

[401] You know, Joan, this is what I also realized, too, after going to that experience.

[402] You realize how insignificant you are sometimes without your ego.

[403] Yes.

[404] You know, you realize why.

[405] You're not really much that you really thought you were.

[406] Yeah, you are and you aren't.

[407] Obviously, you are in everyday life.

[408] I mean, you go places, you have a dramatic effect on people.

[409] You mean a lot.

[410] You mean a lot to those people that you run into.

[411] You mean a lot to the people that you love and that love you.

[412] But we all do, and when no one stand, no, it's all relative.

[413] No one, no one is irreplaceable, but everyone is special to someone or something and at least to themselves, but we're all the same.

[414] We're all a part of this weird, crazy, gigantic organism that's the human race.

[415] You know, so I did you say that my mentor, Custamato, his objective was to think of nothing.

[416] You're nothing, nothing, nothing's nothing but the objective, the job, and that was his psychological warfare.

[417] You know, nothing matters.

[418] You're nothing, nothing, nothing.

[419] My only thing that matters is the objective and getting through accomplishing that objective by, go and do these methods of boxing.

[420] Do you ever stop and think about how fortunate it was you ran into that guy?

[421] Listen, to this day, I really don't understand that.

[422] So how did this happen?

[423] Because so many people.

[424] Listen, by the time I was born, he was 66 years old by the time I was born.

[425] Yeah, crazy.

[426] So many people could, you know.

[427] Can't even explain it.

[428] It's a magnificent individual.

[429] He was an amazing guy.

[430] An amazing part of boxing and, um, with a, unprecedented grasp of the mindset required for combat sports.

[431] That was the thing that always really stood out about him.

[432] Like, he was a guy that was so, he was so well -versed in the mindset.

[433] I would listen to his speeches that he would talk, when he would talk about you, when he would talk about boxing, we'd talk about fear.

[434] And about fear, it can be like a fire, can cook your food, or it can burn your house down.

[435] And you have to, you have to control it.

[436] And when he would describe it, like, it would be so enlightening.

[437] He was such a man of wisdom that when he would describe things, they would sink in.

[438] They would, they would, they would, somebody could say the same thing, but they, with him, he had so much life experience.

[439] He wore so many hats.

[440] He was a psychiatrist.

[441] He was a doctor.

[442] He was a father.

[443] He was a mother.

[444] You know, he was just all around that individual.

[445] Yeah.

[446] And with an amazing knowledge of boxing.

[447] And for a guy like you, it was almost like it was ordained.

[448] And that's what I always said.

[449] It was meant for me to meet this guy.

[450] Because I had no way in a million years.

[451] Everybody said, no way you're going to be champ, you're too small.

[452] Yeah.

[453] So you're too short.

[454] No way, this guy's too big for you.

[455] He said, this is the greatest fight ever lived.

[456] This is always saying this about me. I'm like, oh, God, this guy is just souping me up.

[457] I never thought I could, you know, me, achieve what he was saying.

[458] The things he was saying was just so gigantic in my eyes at the time.

[459] Yeah, I mean, when it all happened, and it turned out that he was true, and you have to absorb all this when you're 20 years old.

[460] You know, it's, I would say this about Justin Bieber, and I don't think Justin Bieber nearly had to deal with what you had to deal with.

[461] Your experience was so much crazier because you were not just an incredibly famous guy.

[462] You were the baddest man on the planet.

[463] So there was like an aura to you everywhere you went.

[464] People wanted to see you.

[465] You know, 50 -year -old men don't give a fuck about Justin Bieber.

[466] You know, no disrespect.

[467] He's a great guy, a great singer.

[468] But it's not, he's like young girls.

[469] For young girls, that guy's unbelievably famous.

[470] But he's been famous since he was a little kid.

[471] I'm like, when people hear about him going crazy.

[472] Right.

[473] When people hear about him going insane, I'm like, of course he's going insane.

[474] You have no idea what it would be like to be him and to be 17 years old.

[475] And girls literally trying to break into his house to throw a pussy at him.

[476] They're coming down chimneys.

[477] They're flying in on parachutes.

[478] They're doing anything they can.

[479] They just want to be around him.

[480] And you want him to be normal?

[481] Oh, man, poor guy.

[482] No one can handle that.

[483] What kind of music you're listening to?

[484] I listen to everything, man. I do.

[485] I listen a lot of classic rock.

[486] for whatever reason.

[487] But I've been listening a lot of Kanye West over the last few weeks.

[488] Tell me what he's talking about.

[489] Kanye?

[490] Yeah.

[491] Well, he's talking about a lot of crazy shit.

[492] He actually talked about DMT in one of his recent songs.

[493] Really?

[494] You think he did that before?

[495] I think he did.

[496] Oh, man. Well, I know he's friends with Kid Cuddy.

[497] Kid Cuddy's been in here and Kid Cuddy's had some psychedelic experiences.

[498] Yeah.

[499] Once you go there, it's just you don't want to do nothing else again.

[500] Well, it puts it all in the perspective.

[501] It lets you see that as much as this thing seems to be important is all temporary and you're a part of forever and it also allows you to become comfortable with death yeah yeah you know who said that larry hagman remember that guy dallas yeah from uh jr from dallas he did an interview with cnn and i dream a genie as well yeah that's right he sprung it on him on cnn once he was talking about how he did acid he took a big dose of acid and he's never worried about death ever again that it just alleviated his worry about passing on that's wow because I felt the same way and I said wow it doesn't matter anymore yeah I think DNT even more specifically because they think yeah why does it affect the mind that way what causes the effect the mind that way they don't totally know that it makes it visualize everything they don't totally know they know that your brain makes it they know that your body makes it they should say they know that it's producing your liver and their lungs and there's some evidence now because they've found it in rats that the pineal gland produces it which is like that's the third eye of Eastern mysticism that gland actually in rats they've proven produces DMT and they think it does so in people too you know once I did I wanted to do it again and again and again and they said you shouldn't do it too much Mike but I said man I got you know grasp what's going on here why am I feeling it's like why did this in a weird way like humbled you I don't think you should listen to the people say you shouldn't do it too much I think you should do it as much as you want That's what I agree with, too.

[502] I agree.

[503] You could handle it.

[504] If you could handle being Dwight Tyson, you can handle doing DMT.

[505] Yeah, that's where I think I'm going.

[506] I think I'm going in that direction.

[507] Well, I mean, it's not something you should do all day, every day, but you can learn a lot from it.

[508] And it's very beneficial and very strange that it's illegal.

[509] You know, it's illegal.

[510] Yeah, I noticed that.

[511] Even though, like, Terrence McKenna had a joke about it because your body's making it, so everybody's holding.

[512] We all have it.

[513] You know, it's illegal, but it's like making bull.

[514] blood illegal everybody has it in the wild way they go to scenario they find these toads yeah yeah i've never experienced it from the toad i've only watched it on tolling with the way they extracted yeah they grab them and they squeeze it it and they bust it's pimples and they bust it on a glass of mirror and then take it off and they let it harden yeah they let it dry in the sun they scrape it off with a razor blade yes i've only had it uh synthetically made in a laboratory you used to be able to buy like a fucking can of it like this big enough to get like a whole state high you just buy it online it was totally legal incredible yeah it's weird it's bizarre that it's illegal well they would say not for human consumption but i don't know what the fuck you're doing with it if you're not using it for human consumption but you used to be able to buy it i've never felt anything like that before no nothing like that makes me not want to do anything nothing else can supersede that how long ago did it happen around two months ago yeah Did you write down what happened after it happened or did you record it?

[515] No, I wish I did.

[516] Yeah.

[517] I wish I did.

[518] Yeah, me too.

[519] Like it goes away, like a dream, right?

[520] It comes off, you know, you're so scared.

[521] You know, it starts off like this and me like, like, no, no, no, yeah.

[522] That's how I said, no, no, I said, hey, I want this to stop now.

[523] The guy was like, hey, you're on the ride.

[524] And I'm like, no, no, no, yeah.

[525] I love it.

[526] I love you.

[527] I love you.

[528] I love you.

[529] Yeah.

[530] love everybody yeah so spassed out yeah did you have a hard time letting go at the beginning i was fighting it oh i was saying stop i wanted to stop now just jump stop this shit now stopping the guy was like hey the show i'm like i can't do you got to go for the ride dude and it was like oh man it's like i'm dying things are going to my feel i'm seeing the aztec things i'm seeing the toes i'm just seeing weird animals and things it's flying it's just it's like another chamber it's boom flashing yeah boom flying it's like And you're gone.

[531] It's like a rocker.

[532] You're taking off.

[533] It's beyond your imagination.

[534] Yeah.

[535] That's inconceivable.

[536] Can't even explain it to no one.

[537] Well, I'm hoping that they start with psilocybin because I know maps.

[538] They're doing some great work with that, trying to get these things legalized, especially they're doing MDMA studies with veterans and people with PTSD and they're having great results.

[539] They're moving into psilocybin.

[540] They would love to get.

[541] It's psilocybin legal, and it's up for ballot.

[542] I think it was it in Oregon.

[543] Is that where it is?

[544] It's up for, I think Oregon is up for legalization this year, and it may be eventually in California as well.

[545] How are you going to do with that?

[546] It should be legal.

[547] It doesn't kill anybody.

[548] It should be, it's not a bad thing if they regulate it.

[549] If they make it for therapeutic use and just set up centers where experts can show it, but they shouldn't make it prohibitive for people to own it or even grow their own.

[550] It's not a bad idea to set up places where people can do it under a professional's care, a shaman's care, a physician's care.

[551] That's a good idea.

[552] But making it illegal is a bad idea, because it helps a lot of people.

[553] You know, people think of it as a party drug.

[554] They think you're going to do mushrooms and freak out and go fucking run around naked.

[555] And, ah, what's on mushrooms?

[556] Oh, you do mushrooms.

[557] I love mushrooms.

[558] I love mushrooms.

[559] Well, psilocybin and DMT are very closely related chemically.

[560] All those really potent psychedelic drugs are very closely related.

[561] They all break down in some similar path inside your brain.

[562] and give you that that weird ego dissolving experience you know that's one thing yeah most of the drugs you do and most um um ego enhancing right like coke yeah you're like the baddest mother you're just gone man yeah you know you've never had coffee i've never had coke never never oh man you feel like i messed out yeah no you didn't miss out of nothing man Yeah, that one I ducked When I was in high school My friend's cousin used to sell it And he wasted away to nothing Him and his girlfriend would hang out in the attic Never come out They would just sell coke and watch TV It was bad It was like a vampire bit him He just became a Once you're getting that kind of vicious cycle It's a rap Yeah Yeah So I ducked it I ducked it early Never did coke Man When was the first time he did coke I don't know.

[563] I was a kid, 11, 12.

[564] Shit.

[565] I got involved with drugs early in life.

[566] Wow.

[567] That's crazy.

[568] 1112.

[569] Yeah.

[570] I was still living in Brownsville, Brooklyn when I first did cocaine.

[571] Wow.

[572] That's a crazy age.

[573] Listen, I would never let my children.

[574] I have a 10 -year -old daughter and 8 -year -olds.

[575] I would never live the life that I live.

[576] I would hate that.

[577] I always fight so hard.

[578] Never want them to be an environment that I grew up in.

[579] Yeah, of course.

[580] well you know you have the benefit of having gone through it you know no one else could ever understand how how how difficult any of your life must have been for you it's got to be one of the harder things when you did that documentary it's an amazing documentary when you're very honest you're very honest and you're very open about all your experiences and the one thing i took away after like no one can understand you could you could hear a guy talk like this i could hear you say these things i could see the videos of your fights to see the do is your experience but to understand the life that you lived it's impossible it's just a guess it's like a guess for someone like me from the outside it's just really interesting i used to look at i think about this young kid from brooklyn new york comes the customer model at 1312 you know and all something all of a sudden i have a low self -esteem this guy gives me this big fucking ego you know what i mean i live by the you know i live by the you know i live by the rules of that ego and that's and i've accomplished so much and a dominator ego Yeah.

[581] You're set to have confidence.

[582] Oh, all about destroying people.

[583] Just anybody, you could be a lawyer.

[584] You're 200 pounds.

[585] I'm staring you down.

[586] It's just, it was a weird environment growing up that way.

[587] You know, because we as people, we try to avoid fights, you know what I mean.

[588] Right.

[589] For my instincts, we avoid fights for all our lives.

[590] And just to be able, this is what you do.

[591] Like, you're a UFC guy.

[592] You're a fighter.

[593] This is what you do for a job, a lifestyle.

[594] That's pretty bizarre.

[595] But you were getting positive reinforcement from thinking like that for the first time in your life.

[596] Absolutely.

[597] Yeah.

[598] Never felt like that before.

[599] It was like taking a big drug, like you'll lose you, it's boom.

[600] It felt like you're the man. Then everybody's telling you you're great.

[601] Yeah.

[602] You know?

[603] For the first time in your life.

[604] Never understood that.

[605] And you know what else the customer model used to do with me?

[606] He used to take me to a hypnotist.

[607] He was a hypnotist as well.

[608] Yeah, they used to go into the hypnotist motions.

[609] What kind of shit do they make you do?

[610] You know.

[611] How do it?

[612] You relax.

[613] You go under.

[614] You totally focus on blackness, nothingness.

[615] Right.

[616] You go under and you're being this savage, intelligent animal, you're working.

[617] You're going to do this.

[618] You're going to be a ferocious animal.

[619] You're going to fight both hands to the body.

[620] You'll use your jab.

[621] You're going to do this in ferocious fashion.

[622] And they seeked all that in me as I was younger.

[623] And you were like 12, 13 years old?

[624] Wow.

[625] So they're putting you under and just teaching you that mindset.

[626] Whoa.

[627] Did he give you any advice on how to shut it off?

[628] No. No. He was probably like, I don't have any time.

[629] Time.

[630] He's trying to, I don't know what I mean, time.

[631] The kid's 13.

[632] How old was cost at the time?

[633] He's like 70.

[634] So, shit, there's no time.

[635] There's no time.

[636] I'm not going to teach him the off switch.

[637] Just hit the gas.

[638] That's what it was.

[639] The gas.

[640] We're going to destroy these guys.

[641] These guys are in our way of, you know what I mean?

[642] Greatness, glory.

[643] It's one of the hardest things that many fighters that I've watched over the years have the problem of shutting it off.

[644] Like turning it on and living like that and just wanting to be a dominator.

[645] But then learning how to.

[646] to be a father, learning how to be a friend.

[647] Man, my first lifetime with children and stuff trying to do this stuff, man, I felt so disastrous.

[648] I had no idea what I was doing to.

[649] I had no idea what arena I was stepping into.

[650] It was just, it was just disasters.

[651] I find out I spend most of my adult life now apologizing to my kids, you know what I mean?

[652] Yeah.

[653] Yeah, I can imagine.

[654] I'm being such a horrible father.

[655] Do you think they understand the shit that you were going through?

[656] They understand, like, they didn't understand how to live?

[657] No, I don't understand.

[658] I just try to basically make sure that part of my life is empty now.

[659] I live a different life for my kids, a family now.

[660] Yeah.

[661] Well, that's beautiful.

[662] It's beautiful that you, like Thomas saying earlier, you have a lot of self -reflection.

[663] You've managed to look at your life and find out what has value to you, what helps you.

[664] You always have to do self -evaluation.

[665] I mean, it's a strong believer in that.

[666] Yeah.

[667] You know, if somebody has to check you, you have to check yourself.

[668] I agree.

[669] Yeah.

[670] Well, especially a guy like you who's, you know, you've been checked.

[671] Your ego's been checked.

[672] Your life has been checked.

[673] You've had so many down moments as well as up moments.

[674] You've had the full ride of experiences.

[675] Never thought I'll survive with my ego being checked.

[676] I had no idea that that wasn't what it was about.

[677] So you thought if your ego checked, you would go away.

[678] I'd be nothing without my ego.

[679] Wow.

[680] Yeah.

[681] Well, I mean, it makes sense when you're going through all that hypnosis when you're 12 and 13 years old.

[682] That's a crazy thing to do to a kid because it was super effective.

[683] I had no idea, but I wanted to do it so bad.

[684] I wanted to succeed so bad.

[685] You could tell.

[686] You know, I watched a video of you real recently.

[687] You were about 16, 16, 17 years old and you were sparring with some big guy who was a professional heavyweight.

[688] And it was what was fascinating to me about it wasn't just watching move around when you were young and still learning, but it was all.

[689] also you were upset at yourself after it was over.

[690] You didn't think it went well and I was like, I don't remember that.

[691] You don't remember?

[692] It was an interesting video man. You were like, it didn't go well.

[693] I could tell it didn't go well.

[694] I was a sick perfectionist.

[695] Yeah.

[696] That's what I was going to say.

[697] It seemed like it.

[698] Like you were obsessed.

[699] That's my whole life.

[700] That's all I did was look at boxing, watch box, read about fighters.

[701] It was all about fighters.

[702] Fighters were my gosh.

[703] You know that guy?

[704] That's a fighter.

[705] I want to be around them.

[706] Be that groupie.

[707] That's another amazing occurrence.

[708] Imagine that you also knew Jim Jacobs.

[709] that fucking fight library that's what I did was watch films are there amazing this is pre -vhatch right people had VHS but not many and there's fight those fights weren't on VHS no way remember before like if you didn't if you missed the fight you weren't going to see it again right yeah yeah and Jim Jacobs he kept those things on like a regular old projector type thing if you listen to the voice over on some of those old fights it's Jim Jacobs yeah it's him doing commentary on some of the old fights it didn't have any volume to you study all these guys all day and all night you studied them yeah it was through you that i learned about a lot of fighters when you would talk about jack dempsey talk about different fighters from the old days i i learned about a lot of those guys from you i went back and watched some of those tapes and now it's beautiful now you can just get on youtube and you can see whatever you want everything see all of it but to go back and watch my go back to my office and present this we're going to see this show yeah exactly i can't wait i want you to come by To the ranch I would love to.

[710] I'm in.

[711] Productive.

[712] It's going to be awesome.

[713] So you said 2022?

[714] So four years, what is it?

[715] Yeah, four years from now?

[716] Three years from now?

[717] It would be pretty awesome.

[718] Yeah, that's awesome.

[719] Well, the plans look amazing, you know.

[720] How long have you guys been working towards this?

[721] Hey, listen, we had seen the property and then we purchased it, and we were just overwhelmed with it.

[722] This is probably what, I don't know, maybe a year ago, maybe not even that.

[723] Maybe, yeah, maybe a year or so.

[724] You're going to have a gym up there?

[725] Hey, I never thought but we will have the, because we'll have the wellness center there.

[726] Dude, how great would it be if you taught like a boxing class?

[727] I don't know about that stuff, though, but we've got to hang out there and work out.

[728] Just a fun boxing class, like hitting the heavy bag.

[729] Just something fun.

[730] You don't have to get people beating each other up.

[731] Do you know how much people would pay to smoke weed and come wear out of a box from you?

[732] That would be awesome.

[733] Like a smoke weed with me. That would be cool.

[734] Do you smoke weed with people, just regular folks?

[735] Yeah, I smoke weed.

[736] Yeah, I was trying to get my wife to smoke with me, though.

[737] She doesn't smoke?

[738] Yeah, she smokes.

[739] Only at nighttime.

[740] She can't function during the daytime.

[741] Oh, right, right.

[742] She does things during the day.

[743] Well, if you, I would imagine if I was a mother, it would be very hard to get high because I get paranoid.

[744] You know, I'd be a lot of...

[745] Yeah, I thought she doesn't do it during the day.

[746] At night time, it's different.

[747] Smok a little wee, relax.

[748] Did you ever do any fighting?

[749] I did kickboxing and Taekwondo tournaments.

[750] I was, I was pretty good at Taekwendo.

[751] I won a bunch of state champion.

[752] gyps and won a few national tournaments when did you know you wanted to get physical with another human being and do this stuff because you know you can't be in right frame of mind to want to do this stuff you got to realize that i was uh very scared people that do this stuff is not in the right frame of mind yeah and that's dealing with fear drives you insane yeah deal with that drives people insane i was insane during my career you're madly insane from fear yeah obviously i never went through anything like the level that you went through but for these full contact taekwendo fights i was always scared.

[753] But I was scared before that.

[754] I was bullied.

[755] I moved around a lot.

[756] I was a little kid.

[757] I was never very big.

[758] And we moved from New Jersey to San Francisco when I was seven, from San Francisco to Florida, when I was 11, Florida to Boston when I was 14 or 13.

[759] So it's just always moving to new schools, always dealing with new kids, and I wasn't big, and I didn't know how to fight.

[760] And I got picked on, and I didn't like it.

[761] So I said, I want to figure out how to fight.

[762] And so I started getting into martial arts.

[763] And I just became obsessed with it.

[764] I did it every day.

[765] I started teaching.

[766] I was teaching at Boston University.

[767] I was teaching a Taekwendo course when I was 19.

[768] I was competing from the time I was 15.

[769] I just threw myself into it.

[770] It's all I did every day.

[771] I worked at the school.

[772] I was there every day.

[773] I had the keys.

[774] I closed up.

[775] I opened up.

[776] And because of you, because of hearing about you, when you were running in the morning, when you knew that everybody else was asleep that gave you an edge, I'd go there in the middle of the night and open up and work out.

[777] I just wanted to just have an edge.

[778] You know, and I listened to what you said.

[779] And I said, that's a great way to have an edge.

[780] I became obsessed with it.

[781] But there was no future in it.

[782] And then what happened was I went from Taekwondo to kickboxing.

[783] And when I started kickboxing, I started getting fucked up.

[784] Dues are beating the shit out of me because I was realizing, like, I can't keep people at the same distance anymore because I didn't know how to use my hands properly.

[785] Like, I knew how to throw some punches a little bit from Taekwondo, but it's not nearly sophisticated as boxing or kickboxing.

[786] And so then I started kickboxing training.

[787] And then I started realizing, like, there's no future in this.

[788] Like, what am I doing?

[789] I'm just getting my brains beat in.

[790] You know, and I'm hard sparring too.

[791] The sparring was rough.

[792] It was Boston style, put the gloves on, beat the shit out of each other, figured out as you go along.

[793] Yeah, you ain't going on shit.

[794] You figure out as you go along.

[795] So a lot of headaches and, you know, but it was hard for me to shut that part of me off.

[796] The part of me they just wanted to conquer.

[797] The part of me just wanted to win all the time to figure out a way to be more intense, more driven, more focused.

[798] but when I did stop fighting it was a huge relief like the relief part was worth the extra anxiety that I got it was worth it just for the relief of not not thinking about fighting all the time not thinking about when's the next tournament when's the next event when's the next thing I'm doing it was just that that weight well for you it had to be way crazy because not only is it to wait it's the heavyweight championship of the world I always wanted to make my mentor happy yeah that's my our goals and make him happy all the time when he died was it weird not having a person like that you're like it was so man it was just um it was emptiness it was just and then people who we thought with our friends and that we say we're going to be good to it they started when he died they started going in for the kill you just want to grasp me for means what seemed like you and kevin rooney had a good combination at the beginning when he died when cuss died um we didn't know what we're going to do they're thinking about getting rid of kevin and something i was saying i didn't want to be with nobody else right and i was comfortable with kevin in the style and the way we working i didn't want to be in no else i said no let's just keep kevin yeah and kevin was a great trainer too for me you very well respected trainer yeah it was a good relationship like the way it worked in the beginning it looked like but then like all things you know kevin used to train me and then fight not fighting on his undercard oh really yeah wow wow and this was all like Was he training you before, before Cust died as well?

[799] Well, yeah.

[800] How many years before Cuss died?

[801] Was he, like, holding Mitz for you?

[802] Just a couple.

[803] But he knew you well.

[804] Yes.

[805] He knew the style well.

[806] Did he watch fights with you as well?

[807] Or were you watching those fights by yourself?

[808] Every night and then we watched a fight.

[809] Once we started training with each other, we started watching fights together.

[810] Because your style, that was the other thing, too.

[811] Your style, the way you would come out, was so reminiscent of old fighters.

[812] when you come out with no socks on, black shoes.

[813] That was wild that I was thinking.

[814] My mind I'm thinking was all about gladiator and being tough.

[815] I would never think.

[816] I look at it now, so look at that silly little kid.

[817] What did that silly kid think he's tough?

[818] I was thinking this guy thinks he's tough.

[819] Well, you were tough, man. I know what you're saying.

[820] I know what you're saying, but you were.

[821] When you fought Marvis Fraser on, what was that, ABC World of Sports?

[822] Yeah, remember those days, ABC had fights?

[823] I remember watching that fight going, holy shit.

[824] That was like being locked into a ring with a tornado.

[825] That was wild day.

[826] Yeah, I thought it was a tough kid.

[827] That was your peak.

[828] That was when it was peak scary.

[829] You know, you were coming up and everybody was just terrified.

[830] It was just a wild thing to watch, man. To be a part of it, to be you?

[831] Yeah, I wanted to make my mentor real happy, though.

[832] That's my main goal in fighting.

[833] It's a powerful goal.

[834] Yeah.

[835] Did you ever try to go back and get hypnotized after all that's over to try to maybe calm down that part of your mind?

[836] No, I never did.

[837] I had to do the toll, I think, helped me out.

[838] The toe?

[839] Yeah, that stuff would help me out.

[840] Yeah.

[841] Did weed help you out at all?

[842] Pretty much.

[843] Yeah.

[844] You know what I mean?

[845] But I had to do it every day.

[846] I had to do it all the time.

[847] Right.

[848] I had to do it all the time then.

[849] Yeah.

[850] If I went to another country and I didn't have my weed, I'd be insane.

[851] I said, what?

[852] No weed?

[853] I got to be here a couple of days, a week, a month.

[854] Get the hell out of here.

[855] Yeah.

[856] Yeah, the rest of the world will catch up eventually.

[857] They'll catch up eventually.

[858] It's slowly happening.

[859] We were talking about it before the show started that just a few years ago, if you smoked weed, you felt like you were a criminal.

[860] Yeah, you had to hide those and look around, man. You're looking around who got a cop.

[861] I still like that in New York.

[862] I was in New York recently.

[863] We had a hide weed.

[864] That's crazy.

[865] Still illegal there.

[866] I'm like, how is this New York City in 2019?

[867] It's so stupid.

[868] It just doesn't make any sense, especially when, like, we're both high right now.

[869] Man, the kite.

[870] It's fine.

[871] Everything's good.

[872] Having a nice conversation.

[873] Beautiful, I agree.

[874] I totally agree.

[875] How many fights did Jim Jacobs have in that library?

[876] I don't know.

[877] Thousands of them, man. I watched thousands of them.

[878] Guys fighting in 1898, watched them all.

[879] Wow.

[880] Who were standouts for you outside of the stand?

[881] Like, obviously, Jack Johnson.

[882] Yeah, he was awesome, too.

[883] He was just amazing.

[884] He was head of his time fighting.

[885] There's also little guys like Tony Canternerry, Henry Armstrong, Bonnie Ross, guys like that, Benny Leonard.

[886] There's guys that just, they evolved boxing to the level where it can evolve to now.

[887] They became, they were superstars in their time.

[888] Who was that crazy middleweight who went up to fight Jack Johnson and dropped?

[889] Yeah, Stanley Ketchel.

[890] That's right.

[891] He's a bad ass.

[892] Yeah, he's a badass.

[893] He got killed.

[894] Yeah.

[895] By a guy's crime.

[896] Yeah, because he stole this guy's girlfriend.

[897] Yeah.

[898] He was a tough guy.

[899] What are you going to do about it?

[900] Beat the guy up.

[901] He'll be disrespect to the guy.

[902] And the guy came back and shot him.

[903] Yeah.

[904] Stanley Kitchell was a real wild and crazy guy.

[905] Well, most of the greats were.

[906] Yeah, he was wild.

[907] Wow.

[908] We feel it.

[909] They didn't feel anyone.

[910] Well, when you talk about, like, your life and, like, the way you were living, if you go back to most of the grates, like, Roberto Duran, he was a wild motherfucker.

[911] I was a wild.

[912] He was beautiful.

[913] It was beautiful.

[914] Yeah.

[915] There's so many of the grates were just wild, wild people, you know?

[916] I think it's that fear that brings that out of you.

[917] Yeah.

[918] But then there was some grates that were just real disciplined.

[919] Like Marvin Hagler is my best example for that.

[920] When I was a kid growing up in Boston, Hagler was the middleweight champion of the world.

[921] And I used to see, they used to have video of him running.

[922] They played it on the news.

[923] He was running on the, there was the dunes, sand dunes, and Cape Cod in the winter, freezing cold with a hoodie on running, screaming war.

[924] Crazy, right?

[925] Oh, it was amazing.

[926] Marvin Hagler made you want to just get out of your house and go running in the snow.

[927] You know, he was so disciplined.

[928] That was the thing that I always got out of watching him.

[929] Wasn't that he was so wild.

[930] He was so mentally strong.

[931] He had an iron chin and his discipline was impeccable.

[932] He was just constantly training, never out of shape, never got fat, always doing sit -ups and push -ups.

[933] He was a ferocious animal, right?

[934] So his body?

[935] Yeah.

[936] Oh, he was chiseled.

[937] He was a machine.

[938] That fight with Tommy Hearns, that was one of the greatest middle -weight encounters of all time.

[939] Chaos.

[940] I mean, it's skillful.

[941] We thought they were going to stop the fight.

[942] I thought they were going to stop the fight.

[943] Tommy Hearns were going to be the winner.

[944] Is skillful as they were, they decided to just smash, just get.

[945] head into the center and fucking fling.

[946] There was no, like, Tommy Hurons could try to use his jab, boxing the outside.

[947] You're not going to keep Marvin McGregler off you.

[948] You can't keep him off you.

[949] You can't keep him off you.

[950] If you don't try to take them out, it's almost crazy.

[951] You can't box them like that.

[952] You know, Sugar Ray Leonard did that, but they weren't at their prime then.

[953] Yeah.

[954] I wanted to see those two guys in their prime just go at it.

[955] Yeah, Sugar Ray Leonard, especially when he fought Hagler, he fought Hagler smart.

[956] Stay the fuck away.

[957] Yeah, exactly.

[958] I heard the craziest rumor.

[959] Tell me if this is the craziest rumor.

[960] that Marvin Hagler like decided to bet on himself for that fight didn't, knew that he was going to lose like they had it set up and then retired and went to Italy that's a ridiculous rumor right hey I don't know what anybody did but I never heard anything like that you never heard that one no but he's one of the most interesting end of careers ever I heard rumors that he didn't fight the fight that he should have fight that he knew he should have fought right you know what I mean Well, the rumor was he went to Italy because the mob said everything out.

[961] Something to that effect.

[962] He went to Italy and became a giant movie star.

[963] But he's the only guy that I can think of in recent memory that literally went out on top, had his unbelievably close fight with Sugar Ray Leonard who a lot of people think he could have won that fight, a very close decision, and then says, that's it, see ya, I'm done.

[964] Everybody comes back.

[965] Marvin Hapwin has never came back, you know?

[966] I guess at one time that's your whole life.

[967] I was thinking, I'm surprised that I never came back because that was just my whole life.

[968] That's my whole identity.

[969] Yeah.

[970] You know what I mean?

[971] But when you did retire and when you retired in the ring, there was the most honest retirement speech I've ever heard a boxer give ever.

[972] He's just like, I don't have this in me anymore.

[973] No, I just wasn't in there anymore.

[974] That was pretty bizarre for myself even, you know, because this is what I based my life on doing.

[975] When I first started doing it, I said I'm going to dedicate my life to this stuff.

[976] He gets to see that it's not even, it's no longer going to happen.

[977] It was pretty weird.

[978] When did you know that you didn't want to do it anymore?

[979] I've known years before that, but I was still being very successful.

[980] Yeah.

[981] Like when, like what year?

[982] Like, do you remember around when you started thinking it?

[983] I remember.

[984] Probably around, what, the 2000 area?

[985] So by the time, that's post -Holyfield?

[986] Yeah, after Holyfield.

[987] And you were just, you had it done too much.

[988] I was just winning them, just winning, beating guys, you know, guys get hit or something.

[989] and some guys be so scared.

[990] Yeah.

[991] What did you have in mind?

[992] Like, that's the hardest thing, right?

[993] To swing from that to the next thing.

[994] Like, how do you take this crazy, exciting life?

[995] I don't know.

[996] I decided, listen, let me just get high for a while and figure this out.

[997] That was the plan?

[998] Yeah.

[999] Let me party for a while and figure this stuff out.

[1000] What did you figure out?

[1001] I wanted to do other things.

[1002] So I started my wife.

[1003] arranged for me to be this Desbian on stage.

[1004] She created the Laisha?

[1005] Yeah, yes.

[1006] That's a brilliant idea because you're also the first fighter that ever did that because many fighters have great stories but very few of them have ever, I don't think anybody besides you has ever put it into a theatrical thing.

[1007] We went over to see if we did it.

[1008] Man, it's just amazing.

[1009] We did it in Monaco.

[1010] We did at Rome.

[1011] We did a amount of various places.

[1012] And I just can't believe that people want to see that stuff.

[1013] Well, like I said, the documentary was amazing.

[1014] So people wanted to hear the live version of you talking about it and to see you live in person.

[1015] Because the first time we did it, the first time we did it on Broadway, that is, right?

[1016] We were really not sure about how it's going to turn out.

[1017] So we invited all of our friends.

[1018] We had tickets and gave all to our friends and people we love my names and we brought them to the show.

[1019] And so when we started, they started laughing.

[1020] Everybody started laughing.

[1021] I ran to my wife.

[1022] I ran on the baby.

[1023] What's going on?

[1024] everything okay because you know I didn't want the show to be a comedy turned out to be a common it's probably a hard gritty show about a tough guy and made it through his toughness and it just came up about me just talking about myself how much a smuck I am you know what I mean and they loved it well I think that was part of it it's because like they all everybody knew you were this tough guy but they didn't know that you could be so self -deprecating and have so much fun with it all you know that's why people loved it because yeah we're They're doing the writing for my movie and stuff.

[1025] I haven't seen it in anything, but it's going to be pretty wild.

[1026] Who's playing you in a movie?

[1027] I don't know.

[1028] There's been various people, but, you know, most likely when Jamie Fox to do it.

[1029] He could do it.

[1030] He could do anything.

[1031] He could do anything, right?

[1032] That guy could be the fucking president of the United States.

[1033] He could be a pilot that goes to the moon.

[1034] He could do whatever the fuck he wants.

[1035] I want him to do it, yeah.

[1036] He could do whatever he wants.

[1037] He'll probably bulk up like crazy, too, to do it.

[1038] It's going to be really wow.

[1039] Yeah, Jamie could pull it off Michael Jai White pulled it off Michael Jai White He can't do it like Jamie all that I don't know I thought he didn't do a bad guy A lot of people didn't like what he did But I thought he did a good job I loved him in Spawn He's a great guy He's a great guy Very smart guy Very humble guy Really really intelligent And a great martial artist too Michael Jai White There's a Kilkish and karate Black Belt is bad motherfuckered Do you fight in the UFC?

[1040] No Well, when he was fighting, there was no UFC around, but he did a lot of karate tournaments and stuff.

[1041] It's very good.

[1042] I've watched him train before.

[1043] He's legit.

[1044] Very legit.

[1045] But like I said, real, real good guy.

[1046] But yeah, I agree.

[1047] Jamie Fox, man. Jamie Fox is on another planet.

[1048] He's just got this level of competence and skill and artistry in his singing, in his comedy, in his acting.

[1049] He could do anything.

[1050] He could play you.

[1051] Is he going to hang out with you for a while?

[1052] I don't know what he's going to do.

[1053] He's got to hang out with you.

[1054] so he's pretty awesome he's got to hang out with you got to absorb it right yeah see how that works out are you gonna be like his consultant you're gonna be like bitch I would never said that I would like to say that yeah I like to be a consultant but for some reason they just they have their Hollywood ways of doing things yeah you know what I mean they make it come out Hollywoodish I guess yeah because some things that it's just it's just really wild they try to switch it to appear presentable.

[1055] Right.

[1056] Yeah, they try to change the story.

[1057] And no one else I realized too when Hollywood perspective something's a real is just is just still unbelievable.

[1058] Yeah, by itself.

[1059] Yeah, something that really is unbelievable.

[1060] Yeah, well, do you know that movie?

[1061] Fox Catcher?

[1062] Did you know that movie?

[1063] Yeah, the wrestling movie.

[1064] I remember that story of the young guy, I remember that.

[1065] Yeah, that guy, Mark Schultz, it was Dave Schultz and Mark Dave Schultz is the one who got murdered.

[1066] Mark Schultz is the guy who fought in the UFC.

[1067] Here's what's crazy about that movie.

[1068] I don't know how much of that movie's accurate.

[1069] I don't know.

[1070] I wasn't there.

[1071] But what I do know is the one thing that I for sure know happened, they changed.

[1072] When he fought in the UFC, Mark only fought in the UFC once.

[1073] He fought a guy named Big Daddy Goodrich.

[1074] Gary Big Daddy Goodrich.

[1075] Black guy, right?

[1076] Yeah.

[1077] I know where that is.

[1078] Big guy wore karate ghee and then eventually got rid of the ghee later in his career.

[1079] But he's a legend.

[1080] Big Daddy's a legend.

[1081] In the movie, it's not Big Daddy.

[1082] And the movie, he's fighting some white guy.

[1083] It doesn't make any sense They changed who he's fighting It's a historical event It's like if you For whatever reason they decided To not have you fight Trevor Burbick You fought someone else Like you fought Jerry Cooney for the title Or something to be crazy They'd be like why would you change history Like I hope they don't do nothing I'm not gonna want I can't want to do If they do something like that They have to be They did it with the UFC And they did it with Fox Catcher Right but it doesn't make it any better That's what's crazy It doesn't make the movie any better To have him fight a Russian guy It doesn't make any sense That's a fighting daddy.

[1084] He's known.

[1085] Especially for people like me that are in the audience that go, oh, look, look who's playing Big Daddy.

[1086] How did he do it, Big Daddy?

[1087] Big Daddy's tough.

[1088] He took Big Daddy down at will.

[1089] He did whatever he wanted to him.

[1090] He's Mark Schultz.

[1091] He was a motherfucker of a wrestler.

[1092] I mean, him and his brother were savages.

[1093] They were savages.

[1094] They were just made out of steel rope.

[1095] What did they deal with that guy?

[1096] How did they hook up with that guy?

[1097] The guy was really, really rich.

[1098] And there's no money in amateur wrestling.

[1099] And these guys, a lot of them are really struggling When they're trying to make the Olympics team I mean they're getting by barely They barely have enough money for healthy food And they need sponsors And sometimes they get sponsors like a rich guy Who owns a business You know, he loves the Olympics He loves wrestling, maybe he wrestled in college And he'll take care of them Maybe get him some vitamins Maybe sponsor them with the end And then you know they have various people That help them with their training and their food But this guy came along and said look I'm going to build a gigantic facility To create the best wrestling program and pay you guys all money to come and train here and they couldn't help it it's like they were poor they didn't know what to do but i understand that yeah and he was a guy who was like a trust fund guy he got all his money from his family and he was just some crazy rich asshole and he wound up shooting one of them yeah i mean that's what it is i mean the still like you said the story itself is fucking crazy enough the actual story they didn't have to change anything of it so i know they changed that part of it so who knows what else in the movie they added or changed or fucked with.

[1100] They fucked with something they didn't have to fuck with.

[1101] They went Hollywood with it in a way that they didn't have to do.

[1102] So it makes you, you question all the other things that happened in the movie.

[1103] That's pretty bizarre.

[1104] So for you, they can't, it can't do that.

[1105] Your life is crazy.

[1106] Insane.

[1107] I'm, you know what?

[1108] I was saying that was okay, do I really want to do this stuff, man?

[1109] I really want to go on the screen with my life and be sincere with these people.

[1110] Yeah.

[1111] I said, do I really need that?

[1112] I've been thinking about that recently.

[1113] I really need this stuff and I'm doing this um cannabis business getting ready to pop off and do really well I'm thinking I don't really I don't really need this money it's not going to hurt you it's not going to hurt you it's going to help you anything helps you at this point you're so honest that anything that you've done in the past that you're embarrassed about or you're shameful of it just makes it's just better it's just better for you it's like you made mistakes people can learn from them these are beneficial so watching someone like you talk about your life is beneficial for people because you learn how you can overcome these experiences, how bad things can be for you.

[1114] You learn how bad you can fuck up.

[1115] And people need to see shit like that.

[1116] It's good for, it's good for civilization.

[1117] It's good for our culture.

[1118] I think so.

[1119] And plus a guy like you who was, like I said, when I was a kid, you were the fucking man. I mean, you were the fucking man to have a guy like you be self -deprecating, explaining, and laughing about things.

[1120] It makes it even, it sinks in more.

[1121] It's like you were saying, We were saying about Custamano that his wisdom is sunk in.

[1122] Like he was the gravel in his voice and the intensity in his eyes and the wisdom in his words.

[1123] It sunk in.

[1124] I remembered his quotes for years afterwards because he lived so much, because he had so much.

[1125] And that's the same thing with you, man. When you're talking about your life experiences, like people listen.

[1126] They take it in because they know you lived an extraordinary life.

[1127] So they better not fuck this movie out.

[1128] Yeah, real extreme.

[1129] as extreme as it gets what's more extreme other than a soldier those are the only people that live a more extreme life first responders soldiers firemen police officers yeah that's it I mean they're seeing death and violence every day other than them you probably live the most extreme life ever who the fuck can relate to you do you ever get together with other like world class pro boxers that have no but the guy that do get even the guy you talk about the veterans and stuff yeah he's telling me weird stuff Oh, man. Yeah, talk to Seals about their time deployed.

[1130] I'm surprised they don't take themselves out.

[1131] A lot of those guys, they're on the dark side.

[1132] Well, a lot of those guys are finding some relief in the same things that you found relief in.

[1133] They find relief in DMT and other psychedelics, mushrooms.

[1134] I think that could be a great benefit to a lot of our veterans.

[1135] I believe that 100 % too.

[1136] I don't know why they don't want to dabble in this stuff.

[1137] Yeah.

[1138] What do you think would have happened to you if you got a hold of that stuff while you're in your prime?

[1139] I don't know.

[1140] I don't think maybe I want to be a fighter then.

[1141] Yeah.

[1142] Maybe I wouldn't want to be a fighter.

[1143] Damn, DMT might have derailed it.

[1144] Yeah.

[1145] I might want to love everybody.

[1146] You know, that's what it makes you feel like.

[1147] When you come out of it, you say, I love you.

[1148] Yeah.

[1149] If they love everybody.

[1150] Well, my hope is that with great organizations like Maps, that one day, people will be able to see things, like everybody will be able to see things the way you do.

[1151] and that we'll all have this understanding what these things are.

[1152] They're tools that can help us, all these things, including marijuana.

[1153] It's a tool to help us.

[1154] You could abuse any tool.

[1155] You could abuse any tool there is.

[1156] You can take a hammer and hit yourself in the head if you're stupid.

[1157] You could abuse anything.

[1158] But you could also use it and build yourself a beautiful house.

[1159] And with cannabis, you could use it to make, it makes you a nicer person.

[1160] It does.

[1161] It makes you more, I feel more vulnerable, I have more of a sense of community.

[1162] I'm always hugging people when I'm high.

[1163] I want to hug every.

[1164] everybody you know i agree it's a better feeling yeah you know i mean it makes you it makes you feel kind i agree i like feeling kind what is it like for you to uh to watch boxing these days it's not my life anymore do you don't watch it at all or did you watch tyson fury dionte wilder oh it was a great fight i was in the air flying when they were fighting oh really yeah did you didn't watch the highlights or anything i saw some of the highlights yes how crazy is dionte wilder's power good stuff crazy rights because he's built so strange it's two and nine pounds how incredible how incredible is tyson's chore incredible and gets up and wins the rest of the round that's what's really incredible it's amazing amazing fight yeah so you don't follow you don't follow any of it 10 you know that's part of my life um i'm um i got mixed feelings with that part of my life right right You know what I'm a lot of stuff about that I don't like about myself and stuff.

[1165] Right.

[1166] I try to forget that stuff because I'm on a whole different vibe.

[1167] So even watching other people box?

[1168] I don't even watch nothing.

[1169] I try to stay away as much as possible.

[1170] So watching other people box makes you think about yourself when you were fighting, reminds you of it.

[1171] Kind of, yeah.

[1172] Yeah.

[1173] I always say these guys are so much nicer than I was.

[1174] You know what I mean?

[1175] These are cool guys, man. Yeah, right?

[1176] Like who out, yeah, there's no one out here today that's got that mean, vicious persona anymore.

[1177] Yeah, when you were in the ring doing a post -fight interview saying, you wanted to eat your children.

[1178] You want to eat someone's children.

[1179] I remember saying, this is the craziest fucking post -fight interview.

[1180] It was about Lennox Lewis, right?

[1181] Yeah, it's a madman.

[1182] What's the wrong with me?

[1183] It's a madman.

[1184] It was amazing.

[1185] It was amazing.

[1186] For the story, for the time, I mean, look, what it was was when we saw rock, Rocky 3, right?

[1187] And Mr. T was challenging, you know, Rocky, and he would say all that crazy shit about what he was going to do.

[1188] My prediction?

[1189] Pain.

[1190] That was beautiful, right?

[1191] It was beautiful.

[1192] What you did is you took that and just cranked it up to 11 and threw gasoline on it and lit it on fire.

[1193] You just took that kind of ferocious shit talking.

[1194] Yeah, I look at some of those press conferences in a long time.

[1195] I'm saying these guys.

[1196] I never talk to anybody like that.

[1197] You know, it's just such a different world now.

[1198] My world is so different now.

[1199] Do you feel when you watch that stuff that you feel almost.

[1200] like trapped by that past that you have to acknowledge it you don't even acknowledge it anymore yeah I'm almost a little bit like I don't want to be involved I wish that never happened yeah yeah but kind of had to happen for you to be who you are now because people are this is the real reason right Joe this people still people love that guy yeah yeah people love that I didn't like that guy that much so I have my conflicting with people that like that guy and me living my life that I am living now yeah well people love that guy because that guy gave them a drug and that drug was excitement like you'd you turn on the TV like oh shit here we go Michael Spinks Mike Tyson here we go and boom oh that's what people wanted they wanted that excitement they knew some crazy shit was about to go down unpredictable you can't you don't no one knows it's gonna happen in a fight is it gonna be a right or a left is you gonna move right is you gonna move left how's it gonna work out you don't know how long could spinks last you don't know and everybody was excited and that was that's what you brought people you brought people this this chaotic moment You slapped down the money in the paper review.

[1201] You got out your popcorn or you waited for the rush, the rush of excitement.

[1202] Those are crazy days.

[1203] Crazy days.

[1204] Crazy.

[1205] I mean, I hate to keep bringing your head back to that, but just for me, as a kid growing up during that time, it was a big part of my, you know, my becoming an adult.

[1206] It was during your era, your era of dominance.

[1207] I always look at my kids, you know, I think, wow, these guys are pretty much, um, middle -class kids, they live their life to do what they want, to go to college and everything.

[1208] I would never want to put that pressure on my son that you have to be the total best.

[1209] You have to dominate everybody.

[1210] You're going to be the best that ever live at this.

[1211] You put that kind of pressure on them.

[1212] That's incredible.

[1213] I would never do that to them.

[1214] Yeah, it would never work, probably.

[1215] I mean, I don't think a kid that grows up in a loving household with supportive parents.

[1216] Yeah, you guys boxing for when you have nothing.

[1217] Yeah.

[1218] When you do boxing when you just had nothing because that's a lot of dedication.

[1219] that's a lot of pain, that's a lot of aggravation, a lot of, you know what I mean, it's really discovering who you are.

[1220] But you must be able to take pride in the fact that your children don't ever have to do that.

[1221] Oh, and that's why I took the punches for they wouldn't have to do that.

[1222] Yeah.

[1223] I had my first, my husband, I have this son of 16, he wanted to be a boxer.

[1224] I saw you working with him.

[1225] You have to get out of here.

[1226] You got to get out of here.

[1227] You're stupid.

[1228] You got a private school.

[1229] You're going to be a boxer and stuff.

[1230] Oh, no. You travel to European trips.

[1231] You did trips and all that stuff, vacations.

[1232] You want to be a fighter?

[1233] Get out of here.

[1234] You're a joke, man. You're a joke, man. And he's really serious.

[1235] I'm serious, man. I don't know what nobody.

[1236] You're going to fight some guy like me, some animal.

[1237] I know when my kids go through that crap.

[1238] That's the degrading, some guy like that beating on you.

[1239] Yeah.

[1240] That's the thing, is the fuel that you had, the burning, inferno inside you you can't replicate that they don't understand that they don't I don't know you know a lot of stuff um inspired shame inspires a lot of success yeah you know yeah they don't have to deal with that kind of shame right right shame pain exactly feeling being left out feeling of not belonging and you get if I do this I'm gonna be everybody's gonna love me yeah crazy feeling it's feeling imagine to get people you want to be accepted so badly yeah imagine that it's gonna be accepted people to look at you and all and all.

[1241] What kind of mindset is that?

[1242] That's that ego.

[1243] Won't people just look at you?

[1244] Yeah.

[1245] You're a sick fuck.

[1246] Yeah, sick, right?

[1247] Yeah, sick.

[1248] Right.

[1249] One people look at me. It's look as fuck is, oh, man. Yeah, but it's beautiful that you can describe it that way now.

[1250] Like, you've stepped outside of it long enough.

[1251] Do you recognize what it was when it was overcoming?

[1252] I was a sick.

[1253] I used to read stories that Alexander, the great how this guy was like God.

[1254] I said, wow.

[1255] I want to be like that.

[1256] You know, this is crazy.

[1257] It's just crazy that you can inspire to believe that you're more than what you are.

[1258] Well, it was also those feelings of conquering were giving you the first success and good feelings of your life and the fact that they programmed you.

[1259] I mean, that's something that I don't think a lot of people are aware of, the hypnotism, the hypnotism and the putting those thoughts into your mind, which were hugely beneficial.

[1260] You could tap into that mind zone right before you competed.

[1261] They mean they gave you a clear path.

[1262] They gave you a clear path to use your.

[1263] fury with this like very analytical approach with perfect boxing technique and an amazing mentor with incredible amount of knowledge and they just let you loose you have to be enthusiastic you know with it you have that enthusiastic yeah bad intentions yeah being bad intention and have enthusiasm when you're fighting and love every minute of it yeah look at you're getting fired up again yeah yeah crazy do you work out anymore no I mean I keep away from that stuff You don't even like, uh, all that stuff, you know, spin class or anything?

[1264] No, all that stuff, um, I reactivates my ego.

[1265] Oh, really?

[1266] Yeah.

[1267] Oh, wow.

[1268] Want to get ripped on that stuff.

[1269] They reactivated.

[1270] That's the thing about, like, extreme winners.

[1271] Extreme winners that, that ego is hard.

[1272] Yeah, if I activate my ego, I'm going to lose in life.

[1273] I'm going to lose.

[1274] I'm losing this cannabis.

[1275] I'm going to lose everything.

[1276] What if you like go jogging?

[1277] Can you go jogging?

[1278] No, I do, I do my treadmill work and stuff.

[1279] Oh, okay, treadmill.

[1280] that's it but if i start to think that i'm special if i get a glimpse a glimmer of that thing hey whoa yeah look at you you're better than no i saw a video you hit in the bag recently it was like a couple years ago you still hit the bag you still throw some bombs i do probably for the camera yeah that's what you're doing but i'm like damn you can still move you still have it in you right i don't know i don't know but it's in your body it has to be in i don't want to do that does it feel weird but what i was going to get to when if you were standing in front of that heavy bag and you start rattling off combinations and people you start thinking like oh shit i'm actually mike tyson like i was that guy i am that guy who went through that i am the youngest heavyweight champion of all time i am that guy that destroyed tyrell biggs i am that guy that knocked out larry homes i'm that guy like i look at that guy i look at that guy somebody that's giving me a platform to help me forget about that guy yeah it's it's beautiful that you have that you have that that mindset.

[1281] It is because most people who've accomplished as much as you have, they don't want to ever let the past go.

[1282] Oh shit, let that go.

[1283] Let it go.

[1284] Let it go.

[1285] Let it go.

[1286] But do you know, do you recognize that?

[1287] That's a beautiful part of your personality.

[1288] You had one of the most successful boxing careers ever, but you don't want to, you don't want nothing to do with it.

[1289] You don't want to acknowledge it exist.

[1290] You wish it went away.

[1291] In order to arrive to that next chapter in life, you have to forget the chapter that came before you yeah and focus on the chapter ahead of you yes yes that's a great lesson and from coming from you that lesson i think is going to hit home with a lot of people think so yes 100 % 100 % because you because you were the youngest heavyweight champion of all time because you're the baddest man on the planet this big hero for a lot of people like me when i was growing up to see you now say that's then i'm done nothing i don't watch it i don't work out it i'm not i'm not even a part of that anymore i'm concentrating on my life right now and I'm happy and I love people you know Joe that's really crazy but when you think about this listen you know being that person that guy that sent me to the psych ward a couple of times they sent me to so many other places to prison they said wow it sent me places that guy is a trip yeah that's a trip that guy had you in an underwear holding a tiger on a chain yeah it's a trip man what did you go to the psych ward for it's been crazy violent probably thought about hurting myself or something crazy like that what do they do when they take you in the psych ward how do they treat you i don't know it's the same way everybody treat me this is mike and stuff no but i mean how do they take care of you what do they do for you i mean how do they take mike tyson calm him down just give you some fucking pills that's it zones or something yeah zone you out be like a zombie you're in a zombie swagger then yeah yeah that is what they do huh just calm you down medically pharmaceutically it's a zombie like a zombie it's looking at television don't know what's going on well you know what's going on but you can't react to it.

[1292] Jesus.

[1293] And then once they got you calm down enough, they go, all right, you can go.

[1294] I don't know.

[1295] I don't think I ever get calmed down enough.

[1296] I think it was time for me to go and I had to go.

[1297] What is the day in the life of Mike Tyson like now?

[1298] Like, what was it a typical day for you?

[1299] I get up in the morning, I go to my office, my cannabis office.

[1300] We do deals and we get investments.

[1301] And I come home at 5 o 'clock and I go see my kids unless I stay at the office later.

[1302] And I come home and I hang out with my wife from my office.

[1303] my kids.

[1304] It's a really bizarre life.

[1305] We stay in Newport Beach now.

[1306] Oh, that's nice.

[1307] It's really, it's very nice.

[1308] It's very upscale, but it's very quiet, too.

[1309] Not like Los Vegas at all.

[1310] No. Then my daughter plays tennis up there, so we're pretty much situated up there.

[1311] It's not like I said, baby, can't we move to Hollywood?

[1312] You know, we can't go to Beverly Hills?

[1313] No, because all of her tennis requirements are here in Newport Beach, so we stay here.

[1314] Newport's nice, though.

[1315] It's a good place.

[1316] It's near the ocean.

[1317] It's got clean air.

[1318] Yeah, we see the oceans.

[1319] It's just different for me. I bet.

[1320] It's different.

[1321] Yeah.

[1322] Did you like living in Vegas, though?

[1323] Because the fights were there all the time.

[1324] I love Vegas.

[1325] It was always crazy and everything.

[1326] The fight did bring great parties, though.

[1327] You could always go to some great parties.

[1328] That was always great.

[1329] So you've settled into this business life.

[1330] It seems like pretty easily.

[1331] Like, you seem to be enjoying yourself.

[1332] Hey, it's something that I want to do, and it's a fresh start.

[1333] You know what I mean?

[1334] Yeah.

[1335] I look, since doing the total, you know what I mean?

[1336] My main objective and everything I've been embarking on and been involving myself with, it's all been because of a fresh start.

[1337] I feel fresh.

[1338] I feel new.

[1339] I feel there's nothing to stop and nothing could be in my way.

[1340] And it's just an awesome feeling.

[1341] So this is from doing that one DMT experience just sent you into.

[1342] I did it one time, but I did it many times that day.

[1343] You know, but yeah, this really, I don't know what it is.

[1344] I'm trying to figure it out, but I've changed, but I just don't figure it.

[1345] I just don't know how.

[1346] Yeah.

[1347] I describe it for a lot of people.

[1348] It's like resetting a computer.

[1349] You reset a computer, you have a fresh new desktop.

[1350] And there's only one folder on the desktop.

[1351] And that folder says, my old bullshit.

[1352] Listen, stop.

[1353] I'm saying to myself right now, sometimes I'm one of this new feeling that I'm possessing right now.

[1354] Is it a real feeling?

[1355] This stuff really help?

[1356] Am I lying to myself again until the next moment, to that next feeling come to do some drugs to be with somebody else?

[1357] What's really going on?

[1358] Is that feeling going to come back?

[1359] At this moment, that feeling feels like it's never coming back.

[1360] It can never come back if you decide that it's never coming back.

[1361] But you have to make that decision pretty much every day.

[1362] But you can never come back if you want.

[1363] Or you could slip into the old ways.

[1364] That's what a lot of people do.

[1365] When a lot of people fall into drug additions, relapsing, when they relapsed, they're not physically addicted when they're relapsed.

[1366] Obviously, they're clean.

[1367] And then they decide to go back in.

[1368] It's because there's comfort in those old patterns.

[1369] Because this new way of life is just, they get anxiety.

[1370] They feel like it's a lot of pressure to stay clean.

[1371] Oh, let's explain it.

[1372] I hate that.

[1373] I always hated that.

[1374] Oh, way.

[1375] I never wanted to do drugs.

[1376] But then I do them again.

[1377] I never wanted to.

[1378] I hate it.

[1379] Oh, no, no. Yeah.

[1380] What the hell?

[1381] No, come on.

[1382] You understand what I'm saying?

[1383] No. I don't want.

[1384] Yeah.

[1385] Fuck, I don't want that.

[1386] And then once you do that, then you're going all out now.

[1387] You got on the liquor there, the girls.

[1388] Oh, man. This is just a dark, dark, vicious cycle.

[1389] It's real dark.

[1390] Yeah, it's self -destructive.

[1391] It's all about ego inflating and self -depicating, self -destruction.

[1392] It also alleviates you from the responsibility of improving.

[1393] A hundred percent.

[1394] That pressure of like keeping it together, staying sober, you know, being disciplined, all that stuff.

[1395] Once it's gone, it's gone.

[1396] Like, ah, I'm just fucking crazy.

[1397] I'm crazy.

[1398] This is just what I do.

[1399] I'm crazy.

[1400] And it's easy to fall into that trap, and that's what happens to a lot of people who relapse with drugs.

[1401] I never want to go back to that.

[1402] that, again, that's just a no -win situation.

[1403] That's one of the great things about marijuana that people don't understand.

[1404] They think that a drug is a drug is a drug.

[1405] They're all falling under the same category.

[1406] But you can use marijuana and just be peaceful and not chaotic.

[1407] And the opposite, it'll make you think more about the consequences of ruining your life.

[1408] Could they say something ridiculous?

[1409] I got a, I got a foot in.

[1410] Where, Detroit, Michigan one time for Andrew Galada.

[1411] I got, I tested, I tested for marijuana.

[1412] They charged me $300 ,000.

[1413] Jesus Christ.

[1414] Find me $300 ,000.

[1415] That's a lot of money.

[1416] Where did that money go?

[1417] Who took it?

[1418] The commission.

[1419] They broke it up.

[1420] Yeah.

[1421] They chopped it up and went and did coke with it.

[1422] That's what they did.

[1423] Yeah, that's crazy.

[1424] $300 ,000 for some weed in your system.

[1425] now you're selling it legally yeah and this i'm just this is just a bizarre situation i'm just going with this bizarre world and see what happens it's beautiful man never thought you can do to sell marijuana i never thought i'd be in that business i know at this stage of my life when it um it came at the right particular time i saw it online i saw tyson ranch online i saw something on instagram and i was like that makes sense yeah yeah yeah why not man in this day and i mean look everybody loves you why not why not why not go into business people never never dream empty, but it's just a no -brainer.

[1426] People are going to want to buy your weed just because they love you.

[1427] I want to distribute it all over the world, too.

[1428] That's where it gets sketchy.

[1429] There's some spots in Asia.

[1430] You don't want to bring weed to.

[1431] No. Singapore, you can get killed.

[1432] Oh, yeah, no, but there's some parts of the world that they accept it.

[1433] Yeah.

[1434] Like, I went to Europe to buy weed before.

[1435] I mean, and it was, they were selling the plants.

[1436] They weren't selling the plant.

[1437] You had to buy the plant and wait to the plant develop and make butts and all that stuff.

[1438] Wow.

[1439] Selling the plant.

[1440] I said, what's that purpose?

[1441] They wanted you to grow your own.

[1442] Yeah.

[1443] That's the only way.

[1444] So you were working with a bunch of different growers.

[1445] Explain how you guys are setting it up?

[1446] The whole thing, we're working with other growers, but my main objective is to be distributors all off the country.

[1447] So to, and also the ranch where you have like a destination.

[1448] That's going to be our resort there, and that's where people are going to come.

[1449] It's going to be like, what's that big concert thing?

[1450] We're going to have our own concerts here.

[1451] Chinchella.

[1452] I forgot the name of it.

[1453] Coachella.

[1454] Coachella.

[1455] Chichella.

[1456] Cichella.

[1457] It's going to be something to that effect.

[1458] Oh, that's awesome.

[1459] So you're going to do shows down there too?

[1460] Absolutely, yeah.

[1461] Oh, wow.

[1462] We're going to do them again.

[1463] McGill's going to be our first show.

[1464] When?

[1465] Miguel's going to be our first show in February.

[1466] Oh, wow.

[1467] Oh, that's amazing.

[1468] That's beautiful.

[1469] But listen, man, I'm very happy for you.

[1470] I'm happy to see this.

[1471] I'm happy to see this transition in you.

[1472] I'm happy to hear about your experiences.

[1473] and good luck man you need to come by because I'm gonna be presenting at the um the podcast award oh yeah yeah that's coming up soon isn't it yeah you gotta be there no I'm not gonna be there when is that what is that hell out of me that tell me yeah they I think do you know what that is Jerry so many sent it to me I'm busy that night unfortunately yeah um so you have a podcast too tell people about that yes it's a hot boxing hot boxing yeah get it yeah big time hot box weed get it boxing exactly yeah and we smoke on our um on our show we're having a good time yeah and you uh you had dale earnhard junior on yeah he's an awesome guy he's a great guy yeah he's awesome did you get high with him no no i don't believe i did no i don't think he does either but uh he's such a clean cut guy he's super nice guy almost too nice you're like are you real father was a tough guy yeah his father was a savage yeah yeah yeah Um, so tell people, uh, Tyson Branch, tell people how they can find more information.

[1474] Well, do you get to look up Tyson Ranch?

[1475] Just, it's, uh, is it Tyson Ranch .com?

[1476] Tyson Ranch .com and, uh, you don't fuck with any social media, huh?

[1477] You don't mess with that.

[1478] So, I have people do that, but they tell me, take a picture of this guy for you, get some likes or something.

[1479] I thought I'm in third grade or something, getting friends.

[1480] I started to make friends.

[1481] I don't know what the hell I'm going.

[1482] I feel like a smuck, man. It is ridiculous.

[1483] Yeah.

[1484] That's it.

[1485] Tyson Ranch official on Instagram.

[1486] Look, Damien, I'm on the book, Dope Magazine.

[1487] There you go.

[1488] Damn.

[1489] Well, listen, brother.

[1490] Thank you very much for being here, man. I really appreciate it.

[1491] Pleasure being in.

[1492] I wanted to come to the show so much earlier, but we just couldn't make it happen.

[1493] We'll do it again.

[1494] We'll do it again.

[1495] And let me know when everything opens up.

[1496] We'll be happy to promote it for you, let everybody know.

[1497] And anytime you got something coming on, you want people to know about it, let me know.

[1498] Thank you very much.

[1499] Thank you.

[1500] Appreciate it, brother.

[1501] Thank you very much.

[1502] Mike Tyson, motherfuckers.

[1503] All day.

[1504] That was cool That was awesome