#287 - Les Stroud

[0] podcast checking out the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day may I begin before we even do this podcast may I just say that you are a bad motherfucker yeah you can say you are a bad motherfucker there are very few people in life where I've watched them on TV and I've watched them do stuff and I just went fuck that fuck that like you on that fucking show you went through some of the realest moments ever in television literally survival not that fucking english dude who sleeps in hotels that jacked your idea but the real shit man when you were there's so many times i watch your show just my mouth open like oh just thinking about what the fuck must have been going through your head surviving in the mountains that's the whole the whole thing had to come from that i mean when i you know When I first sort of offered it up, called a network, you know, they were a little shocked and I said, no, I'll actually do it.

[1] They kept thinking, you know, because no, they're used to like production companies or somebody calling saying, you know, we'll set up a camera and we got these guys going in.

[2] And I said, no, I'm going to actually survive.

[3] And that's what, that's what to set it off.

[4] Nobody done anything like that before then.

[5] Dude, that one when you went to Africa and a hot air balloon.

[6] Yeah.

[7] I watched that thing like five times and kind of curdling, like hugging myself while I was watching it.

[8] Like, what the fuck?

[9] He's got a hot air balloon and there's lions out there.

[10] Yeah, actually, you know, I don't know if this made it on the show or not, but later on in the show, remember I was in the Thorn Bush Shelter?

[11] Made a shelter out of thorns or whatever.

[12] So that night, I mean, I listened to a kill go down about 100 yards from me. And that's the freak, most freaked out I've ever been, you know.

[13] You hear it going down, you hear the screams.

[14] And in the end, I think it was a jaguar taking down a baboon because they all hunt there.

[15] And the baboons go nuts.

[16] And that was like real.

[17] close that was probably one of the most nervous ever been holy shit yeah a jaguar and a baboon and there's no fence between you in it no wall this is your you're you're in their environment yeah god damn that's crazy who that is so terrifying man you know it's not it it is but it isn't I mean it is you know it was we were talking about fighting earlier I mean going in that could be terrifying going in up against the an opponent that you know is this tough ass but when you're a referee and and also if you're a fighter well you're you're geared for that right well in my world you know i spent a lot of years out there so for me you know i i i remember i was out with my sister one time and she looked into the forest and she said well that that's really really intimidating to me and i remember thinking all i want to do was go right inside there it was a real dark forest and i'm i'm just really really comfortable out there it's it's not that the other shit doesn't happen but but It happens.

[18] It happens.

[19] And it's not that it's, the danger isn't real, it's real.

[20] But I'm just really comfortable whenever I'm in the bush.

[21] I'm really, really comfortable.

[22] And so the reality of the danger settles with me. You know, it settles.

[23] I mean, it's okay.

[24] And I can, I just, I just know what to do.

[25] How much of a hindrance is it that while you're doing all this?

[26] You're also setting up cameras and turning them on and doing all your shit.

[27] You're, you're filming it from several different angles.

[28] Well, that was, you know, that's the artist.

[29] me, right?

[30] I mean, and the passion of a filmmaker.

[31] I'd get out, and I got it, and really, I want to tell a story, right?

[32] I mean, if I'm there and I'm surviving, that's one thing, okay, that's cool.

[33] Now I want to tell a story.

[34] In the very beginning, I remember some, oh, guys just, oh, you know, have the camera be shaky, like it's like a, you know, just a home video.

[35] And I said, why would I do that?

[36] I'm a good, I'm a good filmmaker.

[37] I'm not going to make my film look worse because, you know, because you, you know, I'm not, you know, putting out movies.

[38] I'm not Steven Spielberg.

[39] I'm going to make it look as good as I can.

[40] And so the passion of filming comes in really strong when I work it, when I'm out there surviving, because let's say I've got to walk down through a valley.

[41] So I'll stop and look and go, well, I've got to walk through this valley.

[42] So I got to tell the story of walking through the valley.

[43] And I've got four or five cameras.

[44] Well, how am I going to do that?

[45] Well, there's a cliff up there.

[46] I could probably reach.

[47] So I'll go put a camera up there, and I can way off in the distance, and I'll have one on my body.

[48] And all of that is about trying to be a passionate filmmaker.

[49] And I just won an award recently, and it was to do with the filmmaking.

[50] I was really proud because it speaks to the fact that it was and I wasn't just a guy going out sleeping on a shelter and doing a fireball I'm a filmmaker I'm out making making a film but like nobody else I'm actually really doing what I'm making so I'm not you know setting up nonsense you were creative and all the aspects of it you know the editing of it the way you know you and you would be honest about like we've got to walk over here to get this shot and honestly I don't really want to go back I'm going to leave the camera and the crew pick it up like well that was That was the other thing, too, was just being honest with all of it, right?

[51] If I'm going to do a show like that, I, you know, I can't tell you how often you have discussion saying, well, why don't you just say like this happened?

[52] Right.

[53] And it's like, no, you know, and I remember one time in an argument, I said, look, I'm in the middle of the Amazon jungle, and I've got no food and just whatever water's flowing, and I'm alone for seven days in the middle of the Amazon jungle.

[54] And I'm saying this to like executives, if you don't think that's dramatic enough, then get another boy.

[55] because in my world that's pretty freaking dramatic and it will be dramatic and I don't need to embellish it so I always wanted to tell the truth with what was going on out there you know that's a real issue with reality shows it's like it's there's dirty little lies going on left and right they're creating fake scenarios you know I'll have no problem going on record saying all the time that in my opinion reality shows suck I don't know why they're on air I mean I do know why they're on there because they sell but but what gets me is what I don't get is how many millions of North Americans and people in the world watch them and think it's actually how...

[56] Oh, did you see?

[57] It's like, no, now they're even scripted, badly scripted.

[58] I don't think...

[59] I agree with you and I don't agree with you.

[60] I don't think they suck.

[61] I think it's a new art form.

[62] Creating this entertaining show out of losers or weirdos.

[63] It's creativity Doritos.

[64] It's different.

[65] You know, I mean, there's so many, like, when Mark Burnett started it, right?

[66] If it wasn't for Mark Burnett, I wouldn't be on air as well because he started with Survivor Series.

[67] And then I started getting these phone calls because I was a filmmaker's survival guy.

[68] And that's when I realized I could pitch my idea.

[69] And I said, I'll do it for real.

[70] So Burnett started it.

[71] And you know what?

[72] In my opinion, the man's a genius and the stuff he does, he's totally a genius.

[73] But those shows are riddled with lies.

[74] Right.

[75] And lies that, you know, are meant to, the public is meant to swallow.

[76] So if If the shit was really going down, that's one thing.

[77] But when you've got, I remember somebody, like, I remember this thing one time, it gets really bad when you know you've got to wait for the commercials to see some good acting.

[78] That's what's happening with reality shows.

[79] There's definitely some of that, too.

[80] I think it's an emerging art form.

[81] I really do.

[82] See, I don't mind the competition shows.

[83] I got a guilty pleasure for, like, trading spouses and stuff like that.

[84] The competition ones are cool.

[85] I like that.

[86] What I know, though, about, I've met a lot of people that do them and, like, do, behind -the -scenes stuff.

[87] And, you know, they're laughing at everything along the way as they do it a lot of times.

[88] There's this weird thing where we're willing to watch a person with, there's no reason to watch them.

[89] But once we watch them for a little bit, we get locked in.

[90] We just, for whatever reason, decide to keep following this person around on TV.

[91] I don't know, man. I've tried to watch, you know, I shouldn't name names because it's probably my own network and stuff.

[92] but some shows like, you know, and they do like the pawn stars and the...

[93] Right.

[94] The ridiculous.

[95] I try to watch that.

[96] Because I don't watch TV, right?

[97] So I'll watch when I'm in a hotel room somewhere.

[98] It's like, okay, I'm in a hotel room.

[99] I want my breath time to put on, and I'll put on the networks, right?

[100] And I'll walk through the reality networks.

[101] And I try to watch some of them.

[102] I can't do it, man. I'm alone in my hotel room actually saying out loud, you're fucking kidding me. No. And in my mind, roll it's like people are watching this and somebody's watching this going they're gasping and it's like really right and and so I I struggle with it you know plus I get called a reality show too Survivor Man got called a reality show and it wasn't really a reality show it was oh my God I disagree completely I think it's a reality show in the realest sense of the word it's what the new reality shows are not reality shows they could should call it like scripted drama hybrid or really bad actors who we don't have to pay much, but we'll say anything we say, TV shows.

[103] Yeah, it's like loosely scripted scenarios.

[104] I mean, even the whole, I mean, they didn't script it, but they just edit what people say, you can get a script out of it.

[105] You can figure out how to edit it together to make some stupid story or force them to go get pizza at five different places and filming when they don't have the right, and they start getting mad.

[106] And like, it's really dumb.

[107] But for whatever reason, that infuriating, the feeling that you get when you watch it is almost addictive.

[108] That's a good way of putting it, an infuriating feeling.

[109] Yeah, you might have a point, a new art, a new art form, I don't know, a new art form.

[110] The thing is, because I came from documentary, right, I'm thinking that I'm a documentary, and a document survival, just so happens, I really go out and survive it, right?

[111] So then I get, but I get lumped in with reality shows.

[112] One of the problems I had, and I had it, I had it like in Shark Week, and I have with different shows and stuff I've been on is if you're going to try and do comedy then get a comedy writer that's what I think because there's a lot of documentary and reality TV producers are like you know 26 years old and they all hopped up because they got a job and they're working on the new show and they're trying to be funny and to me I'm at home going this is like worse than bad student art films I'd rather go see a student art film than a producer who finally got a job for company who gets to produce this segment and you know what they're sitting around going you know what would be cool if and it's like it's like high school comedy at that point and I and and high school boys in a locker room sort of thing and I that's why I can't do it so I sit there in the hotel room and I'm trying to watch Pond Stars I'm trying to watch the what are the chopper dudes and you know but do you ever see my secret addiction no so I don't know what show what is it well no no hoarders who you've seen hoarders sure okay so I've watching hoarders and I got to say I'm watching hoarders and I know a couple of people like that too but I was watching hoarders and I thought okay this is really kind of sick and they're going to clean it up and I'm coming I'm kind of an anally retentive organized guy like my place is I'm really organized and shit so I'm watching hoarders going I could clean that place up and I'm watching it and that was all cool and in one episode I watched and this is what really pissed me off was what threw it from me was the The mother was the hoarder, and then they were interviewing the sons.

[113] And it was clear that most of the people in the family were intellectually disabled.

[114] So that was the moment when I went, fuck, whoa.

[115] Okay, if I had the producer, I'd go, what the fuck are you doing?

[116] I get when you're taking people who are semi -normal, but they're kind of screwed up and neurotic, and you're doing, okay, I get all that.

[117] But you've got people on there right now, and they're intellectually disabled.

[118] That's very clear.

[119] You can tell they're not.

[120] messed up in neurotic or psychotic, they're intellectually disabled, and you're running them through the hoarder TV.

[121] And that was the day I just about threw the TV out the window.

[122] I pulled a rock and roll move.

[123] Yeah, I certainly see your point there.

[124] The way I was looking at is like the keeping up with the Kardashians type of thing.

[125] Family Jewels, Ozzy Osbourne.

[126] It's no different than a soap opera.

[127] Soap operas are silly, you know?

[128] And this is silly too, but it's silly with real people.

[129] Don't you think that's something that a lot of those people need, though, in their life?

[130] they need that big of a like slap in the face like because once you're on TV and everyone in your neighborhood knows about it you're now obsessed with that you know what I mean like it's big you're being brought to light yeah so I think that's maybe some of these people who need it like the people who are on or the people are watching the people that are on it they they've gotten their life has gotten to that point where they actually need everyone in America to know that they fucking suck and that they're a hoarder maybe yeah I don't know I mean with the reality shows there's a lot of there's a lot of there's a lot of of, you can see the whole, it's a culture celebrity, right?

[131] I always get messed up with a culture celebrity when we get to L .A. Because it's just weird.

[132] It's just kind of weird, you know.

[133] And so now you've got, it's one thing if you've got, you know, Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp and Scarlett Johansson and the cultural celebrity, they're kind of like groomed for it and they're like superheroes and sort of thing.

[134] And they do it.

[135] But then you got, you know, regular people are just messed up.

[136] And they're instantly thrust into the culture celebrity.

[137] It just gets weird.

[138] It just gets creepy.

[139] You know, because you know how they always do the outtakes when the camera cuts to.

[140] and now they're bitching about their sister or somebody like that.

[141] And you can see them trying to project in that amateur way.

[142] Well, I just thought, you know, you know, do one of those things.

[143] You ain't going to mess with my bedroom.

[144] You know, and just like, really, am I watching this?

[145] It's very apocalyptic.

[146] Yeah, well, we're coming close.

[147] How much longer?

[148] I don't know.

[149] Supposedly.

[150] Yeah.

[151] Well, that's, no, who's ever called a day right on anything?

[152] Has there ever been a time, where anybody's ever said that this is going to be the day that some shit goes down then it really was no no never ever but the Mayans they were wrong the Mayans didn't even predict their own demise they just ran out of it's like they ran out of rock it was and not only that the most recent calendars that they've found actually go past December 2012 it was just the end of this particular cycle that they called the long count I don't know exactly what it's supposed to mean to them but nowhere does it imply that it means in a Apocalypse or doomsday scenario.

[153] But there is I think.

[154] Not predictions, but prophecies that what it can represent or possibly represent is a shifting consciousness.

[155] And that that is the big sort of, you know, apocalyptic.

[156] That's the big shift here.

[157] Yeah, that's a weird word.

[158] In a metaphysical kind of way.

[159] Consciousness is a weird word.

[160] When people think about like a shift in consciousness, like what does that mean?

[161] It could be a technology that allows our consciousness to be elevated.

[162] It could be, you know, that we have access to, you know, some new medical innovation that changes the way the mind works.

[163] I mean, that's, that's, that's a distinct possibility as well.

[164] It's, it's, I mean, you can feel it now, though.

[165] We call the age of information, right?

[166] Yeah.

[167] You know, or, you know, it's almost, you could almost mess with it called the age of enlightenment because, you know, we're just, we're getting in tune with a lot of things.

[168] The whole, the whole, I mean, you know, a big thing in my life and a big thing in doing Survivor Man and beyond survival, Beyond Survival was really big for me on this, was the energy of connecting to the Earth and feeling like I was connected again to the planet and the Earth and the natural world.

[169] And, you know, thanks to the ceremonies and things I did when I filmed Beyond Survival, it kind of brought me back, you know, because with Survivor Man, I kind of lost that touch.

[170] You know, and we are speaking a little, it's a little metaphysically.

[171] It's a whole sort of thing.

[172] But there's something to really the power, the energy, power of energy, feeling it.

[173] You feel it from one person to another.

[174] you feel it from one inanimate object to another.

[175] You feel it from the earth.

[176] And so a big thing for me is, you know, with all I've done, is trying to get people to connect with the planet again, you know, kick your shoes off, walk bare feet, get some dirt out of your fingernails.

[177] Yeah, they say that it's actually healthy for your body to sleep in grass.

[178] And if you sleep in grass, it's actually, like, physically beneficial.

[179] And your body has a positive feeling from it, and you wake up feeling great.

[180] Scott, you know, if you get jet lag, one of the cures is to kick your shoes off, go walk out barefoot on your lawn.

[181] Really?

[182] And it just knocks jet lag out of your system, you know, pretty – I've actually – I finally tried it one time, and I don't know.

[183] I felt great after, so I have no idea if it was coincidence or not.

[184] But that's what they say.

[185] If you want to regroup after jet lag, which I get a lot because they're always flying, just walk barefoot.

[186] Grass is so hot right now.

[187] Grass fed, grass, you know, walking on it, eating it.

[188] Well, our relationship to plants, a relationship to plants, I think, is – well, you have to consider the fact, first of all, that if it wasn't for plants, they wouldn't be processing the oxygen.

[189] You know, they're like clean the air.

[190] They eat carbon dioxide.

[191] They put out oxygen, right?

[192] Well, just think of it this way.

[193] We breathe out.

[194] The plants breathe in.

[195] The plants breathe out.

[196] We breathe in.

[197] Think of that.

[198] Yeah.

[199] I mean, that's crazy.

[200] Pretty connected.

[201] It doesn't get any more connected than that.

[202] And I feel like there's got to be something to touch in it.

[203] There's got to be something to actually touching, like, grass and live, live plants and organisms.

[204] Like a rainforest, like the feeling from a rainforest.

[205] Like, there's got to.

[206] to be something to touching all that stuff.

[207] Well, the whole, you know, the whole thing when you hear about, you know, oh, I go out to the wilderness and I get filled.

[208] Yeah.

[209] And that's what I feel every time I get out there.

[210] There's really, there's a reason why it's said that way because you, I come here, you know, I go out in the city and it's like everything's being sucked out of you.

[211] And then when you go out into the wilderness and you just breathe it in, you are taking, you're taking really good shit in.

[212] You're taking really good energy in, I think.

[213] And I think we also, we wonder, like, how.

[214] how much stuff is coming at us all the time, whether it's radio signals or cellular signals, Wi -Fi, and there's pollution, there's all this stuff around us, noise pollution, and all that stuff is just forcing you to react to it, and it's always coming at you.

[215] When you're out in a place with no cell phone service, you see nothing but stars at night, and it gives you this really unique separation from noise, Yeah, you know what?

[216] There's two times I found in a year in the wilderness where if you, you're just standing there and you're in the middle of nowhere and the entire forest goes still and nothing's moving.

[217] I mean, there's not a fly buzzing.

[218] There's not a caterpillar crawling.

[219] And it happens twice in a year.

[220] An obvious time is like January minus 35 degrees Celsius, I don't know what that, minus 40 Fahrenheit even, you know, bitter, bitterly cold.

[221] And I've stood there and I've listened.

[222] And I swear at that moment, it's, you can hear the sound of the entire planet spinning on its axis.

[223] You just hear this, this moan.

[224] And it's really intense.

[225] And the other time is in the middle, middle heat of like June.

[226] Everyone knows this day in the wilderness.

[227] If they ever get time out there, middle of June, it's bakingly hot, super humid.

[228] And all of a sudden you realize, there's not a even a bumblebee there's nothing it's just and you can hear the planet I think you can't I've heard it's pretty wild you can't you can hear the planet he says try that that is deep that is fucking deep how many days all told have you spent surviving outdoors like that how many how many episodes did you do on the show each was seven days well you got to go about I don't know what's 40 times seven it's about 40 times seven if you can't other times as well did the all go seven days no because I did the two new brand new ones I did last year I did uh two 10 day dude Jesus the new one the new ones man I fucked up I didn't know that it had a different name I thought it was still surviving so I went to get him on the DVR and I didn't get it in time well there's Survivor Man 10 days and then beyond survival was the other series I did so Survivor Man 10 days the Survivor Man 10 days the one that I didn't get on the DVR.

[229] I have Survivor Man DVR, so I've got all the old ones.

[230] So you missed the one in Norway.

[231] Is that 10 days in Norway?

[232] Yeah, it was 10 days in Norway, and it was toughest night of my life.

[233] Really?

[234] Yeah, it was, you know, when I do the journey sometimes if I'm doing to travel, of course, I know I know roughly where I've got to go.

[235] I might have even scouted.

[236] You know, it's like, oh, I'm going to be over in that, you know, Ariel and I come in and I get dropped in and I go do my thing.

[237] And I thought I had it set where I was going to and supposed to go to go down.

[238] a mountain.

[239] I'm going to go down the mountain down this side.

[240] That was sort of how I had it set up.

[241] I'm going down there.

[242] And I ended up getting lost.

[243] And it was, I was in the middle of the mountain.

[244] The sun was dropping.

[245] It was freezing rain and wet snow all day.

[246] I was drenched to the bone both from sweat and from freezing rain.

[247] And I was crawling downhill on a steep mountain side.

[248] The whole mountain side was just like ice and steep.

[249] And I came up to cliffs.

[250] Oh, Jesus Christ.

[251] And you can't go back.

[252] And that was probably, you know, probably the toughest.

[253] How did you get out of there?

[254] I just kept crawling.

[255] I literally crawled down the hill.

[256] You can sort of tell when you see the show that it was way worse than...

[257] I'd come back and look at the film and I thought, man, it was way worse than what that looks like.

[258] But it was, I was crawling, I crawled down the hill.

[259] And I made it just...

[260] I see cliff.

[261] Icey cliffs, yeah.

[262] Jesus Christ.

[263] Yeah, when you...

[264] Because hypothermia, right?

[265] Yeah.

[266] That's what I was worried about.

[267] So how did you get out of it?

[268] When I got down there, finally made it to the bottom and I actually slept in between two rocks.

[269] and got a little tiny, cooked up a little bit of food because I had some fire -starting stuff that I got.

[270] And, you know, did push -ups and sit -ups and jumping on the spot.

[271] A lot of times in a survival situation, when you are in the middle of the night and you're sleeping on the ground and you get that chill up your spine and it just sucks, I get out and I'll do jumping jacks or push -ups.

[272] Just to get your flat furnace up.

[273] Yeah.

[274] You got to heat up, and then it buys you to 20 minutes, right?

[275] Yeah, it's amazing how it could be freezing cold, but if you go hiking up the side of a mountain, you'll get sweaty.

[276] Yeah, that's the worst case, right?

[277] You know, I mean, everyone knows my saying is you sweat, you die.

[278] You know, it's a reason for that.

[279] You know, it really is true.

[280] It's the worst thing is to be like 4 .30 p .m. and realize you're still soaking wet.

[281] That's, and in winter day.

[282] I went hunting in Montana recently, and we spent four nights in the badlands camping on the Missouri River.

[283] Nice.

[284] And I'd never done that since, I mean, maybe went camping a couple times when I was a kid, but we went to Yellowstone and the weather was good you know there was no issues like maybe it rained a little bit but this was cold as fuck and wandering but we had all you know equipment and guns and all what were you hunting for deer deer yeah so it was um it was for a television show this steve ranella show uh called a meat eater you ever seen that show i have yeah fascinating show yeah so but that was like literally um one of my first or probably my first experience ever doing anything like that, even sleeping outside, like that many nights in a row.

[285] And I'm 45 years old.

[286] I've never experienced it before until like a couple of months ago.

[287] Yeah, I think everybody should in a way, you know, I mean, at the very least, you know, we can be into what we're into, we can be into UFC, we can be into hockey, we can be into math, you know, doing math equations, we can be into anything we want.

[288] But I think that if you can take an hour a week and get out and just stand by a tree, you know.

[289] it'll help.

[290] Isn't that crazy?

[291] Yeah, it is crazy.

[292] So you get out in a hunting situation like that.

[293] You're there with the guys and you're doing the thing, but still, you're just around it, right?

[294] You're not underneath a bunch of hydro wires getting, you know, zapped with, you know, leukemia -inducing electricity.

[295] You're in the bush and you're getting the positive stuff.

[296] Yeah.

[297] I don't, those fucking power wire towers freak me out.

[298] And you see, like, one of those things in the house is right next to it.

[299] You're like, yeah, that's not like a good place.

[300] That's the highest rate of our herd.

[301] Anyway, an escalated rate of leukemia amongst hydro workers.

[302] I used to do land surveying a lot of years ago, running the transit and doing the land surveying.

[303] And I remember every once in a while, we'd have to set up underneath, like, the hydro wires or crossing or whatever.

[304] And I distinctly remember looking through the transit and feeling electrical shocks coming into my forehead as I was trying to, you know, mark the spot for the party chief sort of thing.

[305] Yeah, so, I mean, if that's happening, and I'm standing on the ground, you know, 100, 200 yards from the wires, and I've got electricity coming up through my transit and into my forehead, come on.

[306] It just can't be good, man. That's just not right.

[307] It's like you're getting stunned all day.

[308] Wow.

[309] Yeah, you can't live near that, I don't think.

[310] There's no science.

[311] The science behind it.

[312] Non -conclusive.

[313] That feeling of being around nothing.

[314] No cell phones.

[315] The weird thing about it is, It's kind of invigorating.

[316] Like, you don't need naps.

[317] Like, that's one of the things that me and my friend Brian, that we talked about, like, we never got, like, tired.

[318] I mean, we went hiking and we got sweaty and we were out of breath for a second, you know, like that kind of tired.

[319] But we never got that weird, I need a nap tired that you get in the city.

[320] There's this weird thing that happens where, you know, at the middle of the day, you're like, oh, I could fucking go for a nap right now.

[321] That'd be awesome.

[322] You don't have that feeling when you're out there doing something all the time.

[323] You should try it in the Arctic.

[324] If you go to the Arctic in June and you've got the sun 24 hours, you're like, you're just like, oh, you know, and I'm alone and I do my thing.

[325] So I'm thinking, oh, I think I'll, you know, I'll go shoot this scene over here with starting a fire or something.

[326] And I'll look at my watch.

[327] It'll say 4 .30 a .m. Wow.

[328] And I'm like, okay.

[329] And I've been up.

[330] You know, you just stay up and you feel like staying up because the sun never leaves and you just, you know, you crash eventually because you crash.

[331] But you can stay up a long time in the Arctic in this early.

[332] spring it's pretty awesome actually how many days have you stayed up i don't know because you lose when i was doing my thing survivor man i would lose track of time anyway it's easy when there's nightfall but when i'm in the arctic you just i can tell it's night because the sun's over on that side of the sky but you know because it circles around you like this all all day wow just does this this oval loop around the the perimeter of the sky i would just think we got to get out of here man this place is going to blow that's what i would think if this is the sun is only up all the time we're like we got you can't live here we got to get the fuck out of California this place is going to blow sooner or later yeah you're probably how dare you bring that up scared the shit out of me and December 21st is coming I don't really think that it was an earthquake predictor that predicted the big one I think it was just the end of a calendar yeah but there's a lot of people want to like get behind it and it becomes this focal point which could mean that something could happen just because so many people are focused Self -fulfilling prophecy.

[333] I was asked to do a bunch of TV shows on going out and like checking out people who were preparing for the apocalypse and preparing for the last days.

[334] I just, no, I couldn't get, I couldn't really get my head around it.

[335] I want to find people that prepared for Y2K.

[336] It didn't happen.

[337] Where are they now?

[338] They went crazy for a little while.

[339] And then they said, you know, I think we were just a little premature.

[340] It's 2012 that's really going down.

[341] What about the dude who put up the 200 billboards?

[342] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[343] Yeah, I remember that?

[344] And he actually went on record and said if it doesn't happen, God is a liar.

[345] And I would have loved to call him the next morning.

[346] So, dude, we're still here.

[347] I think that guy had done that before, though.

[348] Yeah, he had made it.

[349] Did he?

[350] Yeah, I think so.

[351] I don't know if it's the same guy or not, but there was another guy that did that shit.

[352] It's just one of those things, man. When you're in a position, like especially guys who are preachers and pastors, and anybody who's in a religious position.

[353] You're in this position of literally being the word of God, from God to the book, through your mouth.

[354] If you're around a lot of dumb people, you can all of a sudden believe your own bullshit.

[355] You can start thinking that you make sense.

[356] Next thing you know, you're buying billboards.

[357] You're telling everybody the end's coming.

[358] You give them a very specific date.

[359] Like, do you have a plan B if this is incorrect?

[360] Or you're just rolling your dice.

[361] You're a crazy person.

[362] You're a crazy person just rolling your dice.

[363] You know, I mean, a lot of guys in that position, they carry a lot of charisma, right?

[364] You know, what was that, Bert Lancaster movie, The Rainmaker?

[365] It's just so much charisma, you know, you could sell, you know, fridges to an Eskimo kind of thing.

[366] I've never seen that.

[367] Is that a good movie?

[368] Yeah, that's a good one.

[369] That's a good classic movie.

[370] I think it's called The Rainmaker.

[371] It's Bert Lancaster.

[372] It's pretty killer.

[373] And it's about that, right?

[374] I mean, he's so masterfully charming and charismatic that you want to believe, you know?

[375] And that's what happens.

[376] And if you're living in the pit or you're living in, you know, you've got misery, someone really charismatic comes along, you know, whatever you say, man. My favorite one is when the charismatic guys call someone else a false prophet.

[377] That's my favorite.

[378] You should put all the charismatic, you know, teachers in, like, the ring.

[379] Yeah, exactly.

[380] And do a cage match.

[381] It would have to be like a Roman thing, though.

[382] 27 in, one man out.

[383] Give them swords.

[384] Everybody should be dead.

[385] I've ever seen the guy He's got the hair slick back I forget what his name is Famous guy He's the one who always talks in tongues Jimmy Swagger?

[386] No no no One of the last popular guys I forget his name But he was on TV He said every time you write a chick to me Satan gets a black eye He said that with a straight face Maybe Satan's his gay lover That's an unbelievable quote Like that's another like the fact Like, you are, your bar is so low, like, of people who are going to buy that line, who are going to believe that.

[387] That's good fodder for South Park shows, anyway.

[388] Yeah, exactly.

[389] But it was real.

[390] It wasn't, like, it wasn't a Saturday Live sketch.

[391] That was a real guy who was actually saying that.

[392] You've given money and Satan gets a black eye.

[393] They came up with that strategy for extracting money where they were telling people that if they were broke, what they should do is give the church money.

[394] and then God would pay them back like a hundredfold and like they kept like advertising that and having all these people tell these success stories about how they were they had no money for the rent and no money for food but there was $200 they had stashed and they sent it and all of a sudden they won the lot and they'll tell this crazy story about all these great things that happened to them so they're literally going for people who are beyond poor they have like they're scraping together their last pennies to send it's like an extortion it's like a religious extortion you know i i know i remember years of uh just you know just talking this kind of stuff and learning and searching and all that and and the thing about like if you take something like jehovah's witness the thing the thing about it is that if you're not in then you are of satan so therefore if you are of satan then anything you're going to say to me in the next 15 minutes is going to be from Satan so basically you just have to get finished saying what you're saying and then I will show you the way and that's the tricky part is how do you have a realistic debate with someone of a dogma when they're convinced that whatever that you're already connected to Satan so you don't even know what you're saying anyway you can't it becomes it becomes an impossible situation Satan is the gateway to like you're crazy like you can believe in God all day.

[395] You can believe in angels.

[396] You can, all that is cool.

[397] But when you start thinking that Satan is hiding in your basement, or Satan's around the corner, our Satan's coming, you can't bring up Satan.

[398] Like, no one can say we found Satan in Afghanistan.

[399] We're moving in right now.

[400] It's hanging with Jimmy Hoffa.

[401] Yeah, you can't say you found Satan.

[402] You know, you can't say Satan is influencing me. People go, oh, you're fucking crazy.

[403] Yeah.

[404] But if you believe in God, a biblical God, you're really, you're supposed to believe in Satan, too, I believe.

[405] Yeah.

[406] I believe it's part of the package.

[407] You better look that up.

[408] You can't, yeah.

[409] You can't do that.

[410] And you can't, whatever.

[411] You're listening to Reverend Joe Rogan.

[412] Robert Tilton, false prophet.

[413] That's the guy.

[414] I'm looking at a website about false prophets, and that's what they're calling Robert Tilton.

[415] He's the guy who said, every time you write a check to me, Satan gets a black eye.

[416] Satan gets a black eye.

[417] He was that guy.

[418] They took a video of him, like, saying a bunch of things, and they put fart noises behind it.

[419] The incredible farting.

[420] creature.

[421] Did you see that?

[422] It's funny in a very juvenile and embarrassing way.

[423] Can we watch it?

[424] You can find it.

[425] It's not good for more than five seconds.

[426] Tillman.

[427] You get annoyed with it.

[428] Tillman Farts.

[429] Robert Tillman.

[430] Tilton?

[431] Tilton rather.

[432] T -I -L -T -O -A.

[433] This looks good already.

[434] Does it?

[435] Yeah, just from the thumbnail.

[436] This is him.

[437] I have seen all that Labens.

[438] I've seen what Laban's done under that amazing my word will not return void and it will go to that which it was sent and it will prosper but life and joy in the the nature of god oh hallelujah for eating will also provide and multiply oh that's the opening of the winners of that's ridiculous you see I'm a child God bless you too I'm fucking childish I laugh at childish shit if it was just a cat That's why you like reality TV Yes I definitely have problems I'm not I'm not claiming I don't I'm silly person I find humor and silly things That's your job though Yeah I guess part of it That's made it a job Yeah that's more like it I sort of shoehorned in there See, I mean, so did I. Who was doing what I was doing before I was doing?

[439] Nobody.

[440] I made it.

[441] I made it.

[442] It's like, well, I'm going to go sleep under some twigs and start a fireboat, and you will pay me some money to do this.

[443] Did you start out, like, just camping and say, I wonder how long I could survive on my own with a few simple tools?

[444] No, I was actually, I was working at Much Music in Toronto, Much Music City TV, producing the video network there.

[445] And I was a singer -songwriter, rock and roll musician, and playing the bar.

[446] doing all the stuff, and we were getting signed to RCA, we were doing well.

[447] And I got really disillusioned with all of that industry.

[448] And I stood there, and I was about 25, and I didn't know what to do.

[449] And I was like, what am I going to do now?

[450] Because I'm quitting.

[451] I'm getting out of this.

[452] Actually, you know what?

[453] I left music in the 80s because the music of the 80s sucked so bad that I just said, I can't do this anymore.

[454] What about Van Halen jump?

[455] Okay, Van Halen.

[456] Well, hang on, wait a minute, wait a minute.

[457] That's right.

[458] It's only Van Halen song I don't like.

[459] You got to go pre -jump.

[460] Pre -jump.

[461] Well, there's other good...

[462] Wasn't that the same album as Hot for Teacher?

[463] Hot for Teacher was on that album, right?

[464] Was it?

[465] I think.

[466] I don't know.

[467] I think so.

[468] Yeah, it was a bad video, too.

[469] Well, Jump was just a little electronic.

[470] They went poppy.

[471] They got Poppy on that.

[472] But at least it was pretty Sammy.

[473] You made a good point, though.

[474] There's not much from that era that's...

[475] Oh, come on.

[476] Depeche Mode, the Thompson Twins.

[477] I just wanted to kill myself.

[478] Pointer systems?

[479] Thank you.

[480] Thank you.

[481] Isn't there something to hearing a real guitar?

[482] Oh, it's everything, man. And you know what?

[483] I left the music industry just dropped it.

[484] I didn't play my guitar for 10 years.

[485] I remember saying, I don't even want to know what's coming out on the radio.

[486] I remember, like, audibly saying, oh, yeah, you hear this new band, and I go to say it.

[487] And I don't want to know.

[488] I don't care about music anymore.

[489] It's dead.

[490] Because, you know, rock and roll was dead, and it was like, Cindy Lopper.

[491] And so I, what I did, more on that later, but what I, because one thing I got to say, I regret is I missed Pro Jam and Nirvana and soundgo.

[492] I missed all that.

[493] because I was in a canoe.

[494] I don't regret being in a canoe, but I miss that happening.

[495] And now I look back and going, man, that was some pretty good stuff going on.

[496] I wish I hadn't missed that era.

[497] You were in a canoe?

[498] I was in a canoe.

[499] I spent, that's where I went.

[500] So I looked and I thought what I want to do.

[501] And the first thing I thought was I want to do wilderness adventure.

[502] And I didn't even know what that meant.

[503] I just said, wilderness adventure.

[504] I just threw it out there in the air.

[505] And I remember I used to love Jacques Cousteau and Tarzan movies.

[506] And I saw this little ad for wilderness survival course in college.

[507] And I went and I took the wilderness survival course.

[508] in Humber College in Toronto and I fell in love and that was that I never looked back in dog sledding sea kayaking whitewater canoeing everything I could do with being out there and I spent the next you know 10 12 years doing nothing but adventuring and and lots of survival too you know that's that's how I that's how I learned and trained it was just all layman stuff you know I came down to the States and trained with John and Jerry McPherson and I went out and practiced a lot went out and survived you know first with classes and people and then with buddies and then on my own.

[509] And then I'd been out on my own and that's, you know, and I got to say some of the best years, I was lean and mean, I was carrying canoes all summer long and guiding teenage kids and carrying their canoes because they wouldn't.

[510] I was, it was great time.

[511] I was about 28, 29 by this time and I was rock solid hard and I loved it, you know what.

[512] Someone's going to take that and make a clip out of it.

[513] They will.

[514] I was so hard then every day.

[515] And it was, Property loads.

[516] Yeah, that's going to be a problem.

[517] Yeah, that's going to be a problem.

[518] Yeah, that's going to be a problem.

[519] I know, I know.

[520] That's all right.

[521] But I hear what you're saying.

[522] So you were just living like a savage?

[523] Well, I was an outdoor guide.

[524] I was an outdoor guide.

[525] And I loved it, man. It was awesome.

[526] And it was about 10 years of that into that, where, just to wrap the story up, basically, where I kind of got itchy for music again.

[527] I was in Yellowknife in the Northwest Territories.

[528] And I stepped into a blues bar.

[529] and they had a Monday blues jam and I thought well I used to blow some harmonica I jumped up and I blew on some harp on Mustang Sally and the minute I stepped on that stage I went oh man I've missed this and so I started playing again as well but then you know basically that's right about I mean I was keeping my kids in diapers by playing the bars at that but I started playing the bars solo playing and then you know then is when Survivor Series hit did my interviews and made my phone call and Survivor Man kind of took over.

[530] Wow, that's incredible, man. What do you think happened in the 80s that made music fall off?

[531] Well, there was a few things.

[532] Number one was everybody was hung up on saying rock is dead.

[533] Everybody thought, oh, Zeppelin, dinosaur rock, and Floyd, dinosaur.

[534] They were calling it dinosaur rock.

[535] If you listen to, you know, Q107 of Toronto, you're listening to dinosaur rock, eh?

[536] And I, and so it was all synthesizer.

[537] Solos weren't allowed to go on, unendingly.

[538] You had to have precise, neen, need, neenny, Neen -ne -ne -ne -ne -ne -ne -ne solos.

[539] You know, all of this fed into this synthesized stuff, and we had Tomp's and Twins and Flock of Seagulls and A -Han.

[540] And it's not that there weren't some bright spots.

[541] You know, Sting was doing some great stuff, and Peter Gabriel was, you know, you two.

[542] You know, there was some bright spots, but as a general rule, the pop culture went to this and the whole thing about Rock being dead.

[543] And then what I missed, when the whole grunge movement came out, and I, you know, started listening to, Pearl Jam only recently I was like going through all this old stuff I'm like going well this is just rock music that's all it is you know uh Mike McCready or whatever's name is from Pro Jam he's kick he's doing a kick ass rock blues solo for five minutes on alive that's all he's doing he's doing the almond brothers he's doing cream he's doing zeppelin it absolutely and that you know so I'm I'm actually now I think music's awesome I think you know Dave Matthews Ray Lamontaine you know Adele you know I'll even say Lady Gaga, you know, Pink, you know, the Mumford and Sons.

[544] I mean, I think there's some great stuff out there today.

[545] But in the 80s, in the 80s, I was so, I couldn't have been more disillusioned with music.

[546] Wow.

[547] Have you ever heard a Roadkill Ghost Choir?

[548] No. I just found out about them.

[549] I just listened to this one song.

[550] I think it's called, I don't even remember the name of it, whatever it is.

[551] They're a new band that's like got this really sort of bluesy banjoy field to them.

[552] great vocals, like really interesting songs.

[553] There's guys like the Black Keys, of course, are at the top of it for me. I've never really listened to much Ben Harper.

[554] Ben's cool.

[555] I mean, especially, too, if you're going to go down the spiritual road, you know, Ben's an explorer, right?

[556] He's a spiritual explorer.

[557] And so there's a lot of words and a lot of lyrics that take you down that road.

[558] I don't know anything about him.

[559] He's a great slide player, you know.

[560] He's one of those famous dudes that I know he's famous.

[561] It's all, I get a rash.

[562] Have you heard of C -Sick Steve?

[563] What is it?

[564] C -Sic Steve.

[565] C -Sic?

[566] Google, Seesick, Steve.

[567] Everybody should Google Cic Steve.

[568] This guy is the real deal.

[569] Jack White pulled him off.

[570] I don't know where he found him on a street or something.

[571] He plays heavy slides, Zizi Top Lake Blues on a broom handle with a wire.

[572] And the guy is the real deal.

[573] Like he's just, and now he's playing at the, what do they call, Isle of Man, rock concerts?

[574] He's playing a 30 ,000 people.

[575] There you go, man. That's C6 Steve.

[576] How old is that dude?

[577] Old enough, man. And that's a real guitar.

[578] But he's got like one that he plays with a broom.

[579] he's got this badass white beard look at his guitar strap it's a string you know who plays with him John Paul Jones is his bass player now he played with Dave Grohl and Foo Fighters lunch time a dinner time about working she ain't not flirting she loves me so and I love her more called trust y 'all a dad of bus C -6D man so you know I don't know I think now I like the music that's out there now I like what's coming down the pipe now I want to know what happened to them in the 80s where did it go wrong how did they get from it's weird eh yeah how did they get from Leonard Skinnerd to some of the shit that well some of it I blame on on the edge because as much as I really I like you too you too much as I love you too but the edge you know started doing you know, sort of nondescript guitar solos, no noodling, no riffing, you know, and, and so the whole group of follow -up guitar players came into this and then cleaned that up even more, and so you ended up with all these really little precise little nugget.

[580] We lost the rock and roller.

[581] We lost the shredder, you know?

[582] I went to Axel Rosa the other night.

[583] The sound that you two created.

[584] Fantastic.

[585] Where the streets have no name?

[586] I mean, that is a brilliant.

[587] That's one of the greatest songs ever.

[588] The, Just that power of that fucking song.

[589] Like, whoo!

[590] I hear you, though.

[591] The other stuff is missing.

[592] Even like Bruce was doing dancing in the dark.

[593] I mean...

[594] Yeah, Bruce.

[595] You know, Bruce, what were you doing?

[596] What happened, buddy?

[597] But Courtney Cox was in the video.

[598] He's dancing and shit.

[599] He's dancing so white, too.

[600] So embarrassing for the culture.

[601] That was the 80s.

[602] That was the 80s.

[603] You could totally do that, man. You could totally do a version of it out.

[604] No. When it was like, for the while, They were trying to make it cool to dance.

[605] They were trying to make it cool to dance for like the longest time.

[606] They tried with Senator Fever that worked for a little while.

[607] And then, you know, white people quickly got away from it when they found they could go to bars and just not dance.

[608] Well, there's only one Michael Jackson, man. I mean, I thought Michael was a genius.

[609] See, you know what I love?

[610] I love entertainers.

[611] Pure Gene Kelly, Elvis, the Beatles, Michael Jackson, David Lee Roth, I think quintessential from it.

[612] So the other night I went out to see Axel Rose in Vegas.

[613] Guns and Roses, right?

[614] And do you know what?

[615] He was iconic.

[616] He did his move.

[617] His voice was right on.

[618] He's put on a bit of weight like Bono did.

[619] But just like Bono, he was kicking out his voice.

[620] He played all the hits.

[621] It was awesome.

[622] What happens to those guys?

[623] Do they just go bananas?

[624] They just get too famous.

[625] Those Axel Rose type characters.

[626] They just get too huge as rock stars.

[627] And then they just go bananas for a few years and then pull it together again.

[628] I don't know.

[629] I don't know.

[630] I don't know.

[631] Some of them do.

[632] Not all of them.

[633] I mean, when I go back and listen to, like, welcome to the jungle and sweet child of mine.

[634] He opens with Welcome to the Jungle.

[635] When you go back and listen to those, you were like, Jesus Christ, you mean, this guy could have been putting out shit like this for 20 years.

[636] If somehow I know that he could keep it together and still produce this kind of shit, like, their early stuff was fucking fantastic.

[637] Mr. Brownstone, how could they fuck that up?

[638] Alcohol, drugs, women, and cat pee, Joe.

[639] Too much money.

[640] Too much money, right?

[641] But, you know, like, it happens.

[642] You're listening to right now Peter Frampton's going out, and I don't know, I don't know if my friend Danny, Danny knows Peter at all, but Peter's out doing his, his Frampton comes alive, and he's doing the interviews, and he said, man, I was just too young.

[643] I had all the money.

[644] He was too young, you know, to handle it.

[645] It's different now, because now you come with, like, bookkeepers and people are like, man, it's so much different.

[646] Back then, I just read Greg Almond's autobiography.

[647] Really?

[648] What a great read.

[649] And you just, I mean, I literally.

[650] read it as a rock and roller with complete envy from page one to the end i'm like dude man look at it see because he'd be like every fifth page and we just did it for the music man it was just about the music we played for free in all these parks because it was just about them like yeah that's why it's so good it was incredible it's a great read it's uh called my cross the bear yeah he was a bad motherfucker yeah and if you hear this gregg i blow a mean harp and i want to come play with you at the Beacon Theater when you're playing there.

[651] I'll do anything to jump up on stage and blow some harp with you.

[652] Thank God you said harp.

[653] Do you want me to say harmonica?

[654] Have you ever met him or connected with him in there?

[655] No, no, I just read the book recently and I just, you know, it was like, yeah.

[656] I mean, I know I sound like an old rocker, but, you know, okay, so last night I was at Alice Cooper's Cooper Town in Phoenix, Arizona, because I get to play in the Christmas pudding sometimes, and he's got the Salt Rock Foundation.

[657] It's a great foundation that Alice Cooper does for Street Kids.

[658] Last night was a battle of the bands, and I was listening.

[659] to the battle of the bands and they're trying to compete for one spot to play in his Christmas pudding concert.

[660] And he's got all...

[661] Christmas pudding?

[662] That's what he called.

[663] It's the Alice Cooper Christmas pudding concerts.

[664] It's a big rock show in a theater and, you know, all the proceeds go to the Solid Rock Foundation.

[665] So these bands are battling it out last night.

[666] So I'm watching 20 -somethings, young, young 20 -somethings, and even younger, playing it up.

[667] And you know what?

[668] I sat and I thought, these guys are playing rock and roll.

[669] They were just playing rock and roll.

[670] And actually, I was, like, thrilled.

[671] I thought, look, check it out.

[672] There was a guy.

[673] guy went up there and he was riffing off blue solos and they were doing things and these are kids 20 year old kids and they were playing rock and roll i was very happy last night yeah there's something to be said certainly for that particular type of music like it doesn't need to it doesn't need to be synthesized it doesn't need to like you doesn't need to be overproduced there's emotion comes through that music through that raw guitar and hearing a real drum you know like seeing a guy really hit the bass, having, you know, having a band like the black keys.

[674] Like, there's an emotion that comes through watching their stuff that it's so crisp.

[675] It's not like, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, you know, that fake, weird noise.

[676] It's like, you don't have to reproduce the noise, you know, just keep doing it with instruments.

[677] Like, instruments, you're expressing a person's movement through a guitar, through the drums.

[678] You're expressing this person's movement.

[679] And as soon as I know that you're just pressing some buttons and it's creating another music, that sound becomes weird.

[680] Well, my contention is that the thing, here's the other thing that got lost in the 80s.

[681] The thing that's missed is live musical performance.

[682] Yeah.

[683] Because you can do whatever you want in the studio with Autotune and, you know, guitar garage guitar, what I don't know, guitar, garage band, you can do anything you want with pro tools and logic.

[684] But you can't recreate that live unless you've got the shit.

[685] Yeah, you got to have the shit.

[686] And I played a gig in Ottawa, Ontario a month or so a couple of weeks ago.

[687] And it was a rock bar.

[688] And I've been playing my big, my more sort of nice stage stuff with my film footage from around the world and I do a Survivor Man question and answer.

[689] But finally, for some reason we got booked into Mavericks in Ottawa.

[690] I was a rock bar and I had a blast because they're by the end of that night I was almost in heart attack territory I was drenched with sweat I blew my harmonica like crazy all night long had a blast with people and it's like you know you can't replace that you can't replace great live performance with synthesized pre -programmed button pushing crap you can't do it you gotta be good on stage that's what separates the you know the stars from the hackers but then again I say there's some electronic music that I think is very artistic sure there is yeah it's not it's not the same thing well no i'm an art rock lover i grew up you know pink floyd i think radio heads fantastic muse you know uh absolutely you know so it's not it's not to the exclusion right it's just something i'm wrong in the 80s because some of it's wrong then you know i don't know because bands were getting signed in the 80s that had never even been on stage you know and i steely dan they they're they're they're an exception but in the 80s you know No, no. I mean, these people never performed.

[691] It's kind of interesting because that's sort of one of the things that's happened with the Internet.

[692] It's forced live performances to be much more frequent if you want to make money because they can't sell the kind of records that they used to be able to sell.

[693] The Internet swallowed everything up.

[694] I think it's a good thing.

[695] I mean, only because I love the stage.

[696] Like I was saying earlier, I like entertainment, you know.

[697] I think it's a good thing, too.

[698] And it also prevents those like Mike Myers movie scenarios where they construct a fake band, you know, You know, I mean, it seems like it would be a Mike Myers movie or something like that.

[699] But that's like a lot of like milly -vinilly, a lot of these bands they create.

[700] Like they put together these like artificial things in a very like comical, cartoonish sort of way.

[701] And people just ate it up.

[702] What do you think of Idol though?

[703] Idol, like American Idol?

[704] American Idol, the voice.

[705] America's got talent.

[706] I don't really watch them.

[707] I've only, I watched American Idol once and I, it was obvious that a lot of the people that they were showing were crazy.

[708] they were like their idea Yeah their idea of like what was good They were nuts They were like singing their voice would be fucking terrible It was almost like they were doing it on purpose Yeah they do That's the preliminary right That's a preliminary shows And when it gets to the end I mean I have to admit you get to the end There's some talent on the stage Yeah sure there is And that's why I said One of my exceptions to the reality shows Is the competition shows You know those I've never minded You know for some reason It just seems They do all the reality stuff around it for the you know 11 episodes leading up to the last two but but then when they get down to the talent and the performance you know it ends up on some pretty talented people i think it's pretty cool yeah i i think this probably because of the fact that there's more um ways you can deliver your music like i found out about so many people just because of a youtube video like someone would send me something through twitter you got to check out this band so i go okay check out the band and then some of them you don't give a fuck about the other way every now and then you go whoa and so then you start retweeting it and next thing you know you're watching the the numbers on the hits just go up 10 20 ,000 30 ,000 like people start telling each other about it like it really becomes like a viral thing if it's a really good song well let me let me totally this is totally shameless but I just found out this morning that my song arctic mistress is number 10 on the on the most download indie indie download this week and I don't even know what that means it's called arctic mistress that's a powerful word arctic mistress it was it was it was my you you know, lyrical take on the Arctic as a mistress, as a seductive woman.

[709] And so I wrote it that way.

[710] It's a beautiful.

[711] It's kind of an AC song, so you aren't going to hear it on rock stations.

[712] But anyway, my point being...

[713] What is AC mean?

[714] Adult Contemporary.

[715] You're going to hear it in the dentist office.

[716] You're not going to hear it on the rock station when I'm not going to play it today either.

[717] But the point being that, you know, I just found that out.

[718] It's like, what's that mean?

[719] It was too ahead of Adele for indie downloads.

[720] I'm like, okay, awesome.

[721] I don't see any checks coming, but I don't know what it means.

[722] But anyway, I just plugged it, so I don't care.

[723] Do you like doing music more than you like doing your show?

[724] Yes.

[725] Yeah, that's your favorite thing?

[726] But don't, don't misconstrue that to say that I don't love Survivor Man because I don't piss on the flag.

[727] I mean, you know what?

[728] Survivor Man opened a lot of back doors for me, including going to play with Alice Cooper, Stephen Stills, Tommy Shaw.

[729] That wouldn't happen if not for Survivor Man, you know, so.

[730] I think you opened a lot of people's eyes on that show.

[731] for me that's like as far as pop culture goes that's one of the that was one of the most revealing shows ever because a lot of people have this distorted perception of what they would do if they got lost in the woods I just go fishing catch some fish like a motherfucker it was always good at fishing you know like dude I get that all the time I'm like dude man how come you didn't like take down a deer and it's like well okay you take down a deer with a spoon and a piece of string I get it all All the time, man. How come you didn't catch a whole bunch of fish?

[732] Okay, here's a bobby pin in some thread.

[733] You go catch a whole bunch of fish.

[734] So it's people's, yeah.

[735] But on the other hand, what I always pointed out was anybody, like I went out there being, you know, just an idiot because anybody could do what I do.

[736] I got some survival knowledge.

[737] There's no question.

[738] And I've got all that training for sure.

[739] But I also am doing things that anybody could do, you know.

[740] The thing, the way I survive is still 80 % anyone.

[741] So you don't, you mean like not physically impressive.

[742] You don't have to be an incredible shape.

[743] You just have to know what you do.

[744] Skill set, not super impressive in terms of skill set.

[745] It's just here's what you could do, you know.

[746] I mean, I'm really good at the firebow.

[747] So there's one of the ways that, you know, the 20 % where I kick it, you know, rubbing two sticks together.

[748] Bow and arrow.

[749] Yeah, yeah.

[750] So that's not so normal for everybody on the street.

[751] But a lot of the other stuff is just what anybody could do.

[752] I tried to do that once, and I was not successful.

[753] It's hard.

[754] It's really hard.

[755] It is not easy to start a fire with a stick like that.

[756] I didn't have enough of the little kindling.

[757] It's all feel.

[758] It's all feel.

[759] I mean, like, you know, watching your sidekicks on the gun on YouTube the other day.

[760] I can't do this.

[761] I've been doing moitai.

[762] I suck at my legs, right?

[763] I can't get that kick.

[764] I know you could.

[765] I know you could.

[766] I know you could teach you the firebow.

[767] It's just that skill set, you know.

[768] Dude, it's an exchange.

[769] Let's do it.

[770] All right.

[771] I'll teach you to throw a sidekick.

[772] Teach me to live in the woods and cook the food.

[773] What's the, the first time you did it?

[774] Did you go out for a test run?

[775] Like, I'll do two nights by myself.

[776] in the woods and then eventually you kick it up to seven i mean for survivor man itself yeah yeah no i i knew i could do it so i just went right at it but before that had you done any trial runs had you done any like not for survivor man but in learning survival yeah lots i i'd done out with as i said i went out with classes i went with friends and i went out of my own for sure and when you went on your own did you do the same thing you did on the show like give yourself a scenario like a broken bike and you have to dismantle the bike not so much that was for the show no i just i just went out i go out hike it i go off in the bush and do my thing just just survive it was all wildernessy i wasn't trying to create scenarios i love the scenarios but my scenarios are fun yeah my favorite for sure was the hot air balloon because that was just the freakiest like you were gonna like shoot a rocket at the lion that was cool eh i know i still love that it's it's when we do a promo clip or something it's always in there because just that i remember that moment just you know cranking down on the fuel and just shooting like a 12 -foot flame in front of me yeah that's pretty rocket that was badass it's like okay lions bring it on man bring it on you were fucking hanging out with lions man you need that if you're hanging out with lions who that's so frightening barbecue zebra now i heard you on opi and anthony i think it was where you said that you think you had a sasquatch experience i'll tell a story if i can get another ginnis am i allowed to say ginnis oh yeah yeah we're not sponsored by any alcohol companies well damn it you should be oh milwaukee is what i want to get sponsored i think we're too controversial for alcohol companies.

[777] I should say, I'm drinking my Miller light.

[778] That's what I'm supposed to say.

[779] I love my name.

[780] Guinness is delicious.

[781] so tasty.

[782] What were you asking?

[783] Oh, yeah, Bigfoot.

[784] Bigfoot, man. You said that you had more than one.

[785] You had two Sasquatch experiences?

[786] When my second wife and I were off living in the bush for, we lived in the bush for a year.

[787] And it was like 500 years ago.

[788] metal, no matches, no plastic, no island.

[789] We were like, you know, just a couple of original, traditional aboriginals living out there.

[790] And I did a film about it and all that.

[791] And when we were out there, there was this moment where we're in, I don't know where we were, but we were in like a little shelter.

[792] We're out by the river.

[793] And it's one of those quiet nights where I can hear, you can hear everything.

[794] It's just nice and quiet.

[795] And I hear a large bipedal, so, you know, two feet, walking towards the tent.

[796] Now I know what a bear sounds like when I hear it.

[797] I know what a moose sounds like that.

[798] And I know their feet might line up and all that sort of stuff.

[799] I know those sounds.

[800] And this was a very large, I would say it was like a very large man walking in the forest.

[801] Now that's, you know, is that a big deal?

[802] Well, yeah, we were in the middle of nowhere.

[803] Like there was no roads for, you know, a hundred miles.

[804] So there should not be anybody walking.

[805] And it was walking and it came closer and closer and closer and closer.

[806] It was about 50 feet from the tent.

[807] I wish to this day I hadn't had done this, but I got nervous.

[808] And I did the same thing I might do with a bear.

[809] I just kind of yelled out, hey, we're over here, you know.

[810] Not 10 minutes, it's in this little shelter.

[811] And it stopped.

[812] And I wished I'd peeked my head out around the corner.

[813] And then it turned and it just walked away just a little bit faster than it came.

[814] And that was it.

[815] So that was episode number one.

[816] A big, big man walking towards us in the middle of the bush at nighttime.

[817] It was dark.

[818] The second time was the one I told on Opie and Anthony.

[819] And that was, I was in day.

[820] day five or day six of filming Survivor Man in Alaska.

[821] And I'd film this scene.

[822] It's funny because we just looked at these clips recently, and I had forgotten something.

[823] I filmed this scene where I was cutting grass up to make a bed.

[824] So recently we were looking at the footage, and I'm going, look at that, look at that, and my editor points it out.

[825] And we look, and I'm doing my thing, and you see me stopping and going, like that, and I'm just looking, I went back and I do it two or three times I stop and I look I forgot that I did that but we saw it on our outtake so to speak and I'm stopping I just keep looking over the bush anyway I finished my scene and I turn the cameras off and I'm just sort of standing there and I hear the sound and like what the heck you know and I'm you know of course I'm thinking grizzly bear of course absolutely that's what I'm thinking and about 50 feet away it's ruffle the sort of ruffing in the trees wrestling in the trees and then I hear like that only way louder right up my spine and then he did it five more times like that super super loud now I've heard moose and bear I've heard bear's grunt well I can make a wolf howl but I've never heard anything like that before in my life other than a zoo the Great Ape exhibit right so to me you know there's two ways to the question, Joe, you can say to someone, hey man, do you believe in Bigfoot?

[826] That's a hard question to ask because, you know, if you're sitting around at a party, it's like, oh, no way, dude, get it, man, don't be a loser, there's no say, that's one way to ask a question.

[827] The other way to ask the question is, do you think it's possible that in our vast expanses of forests throughout the planet that in tiny little pockets of maybe six species, six members, that a bipedal, gigantic epithicus ape could exist that's very intuitive and sensitive human beings and doesn't really want to be discovered yet is responsible for hundreds and hundreds of physical audible anecdotes.

[828] That's a different way to ask the question.

[829] And so I actually presented that to Discovery Channel, Science Channel recently.

[830] I said, why don't I do Survivor Man, Bigfoot, man?

[831] Why don't I go out there and I'll just go?

[832] No camera goes, and they're down with it.

[833] We're trying to make that happen right now.

[834] Are you going to go back to the same spot?

[835] I thought about that.

[836] That was a a tecla arm or something like that in alaska back to the spot but there's some hot in bc and in i think uh washington state so i'll go to a few so that i mean so what am i saying do i believe i i don't know what the answer is i don't know i just know what i heard when you watch finding bigfoot do you go get out there bitch oh man i'm looking for you know what you're asking me you're asking me about a reality show right so i'm watching and and i'm just like no really here comes another episode of what was that I heard a squash oh that's a squash and then you see nothing cut to commercial every single every show is the same thing right oh let's let's do the nightshot cameras because that's going to look scary yeah it's called finding bigfoot not we're looking we're looking for you don't even find shit every episode it's like what was that and they cut the commercial well they know when they're putting that together that it was nothing it's a tv show motherfuckers and so I got I got a I got a friend of mine at the network we got a bottle of scotch on and I said if I come back with something that makes a hair stand up on the back of your neck it's a bottle of scotch to me and if i said if i come back with nothing i'll you bottle of scotch so we got a bet riding on it and i don't know i'm just going to go out there and i'll be alone wasn't there some new stuff brian there uh some new biologists have uh listened to some bigfoot sounds and deciphered it was really recent see if you could find it because they like they played these sounds that these hunters made say uh there's not going to be like confirmation bigfoot sound no No, they've had, that's one of the most compelling pieces of evidence.

[837] The only one that really makes any dent in my imagination is these sounds that they've recorded.

[838] It's scary.

[839] I'll tell you, the hair went up on the back of my neck that day.

[840] I heard a great ape is what I heard.

[841] I heard the sound of an ape, you know.

[842] I mean, and I'm alone in the middle of Alaska, Alaska, home of the apes.

[843] Yeah.

[844] Well, for people who have never flown over the Pacific Northwest or Alaska or Indiana, Do you think they really get how crazy it is?

[845] People don't know.

[846] People don't know how vast it is out there.

[847] I mean, I'm the first one to kind of come up and environmentally speak against, you know, clear cutting and, you know, all that stuff.

[848] On the other hand, I've flown, I mean, for hours and not seeing, you know, anything but trees.

[849] Yeah, hours.

[850] And so if there was 12 Sasquatch living down there, and let's say they were intelligent enough that they buried their dead.

[851] So that's a question, right?

[852] Well, how come you never find a skeleton?

[853] I've been in the woods for many, many, many years.

[854] I've never in my life come across a black bear skeleton, and there's 60 ,000 of them in Ontario alone.

[855] Never once seen a black bear skeleton.

[856] Nature's so efficient.

[857] I found one moose one time that fell through the ice in the spring.

[858] Other than that, or deer, you know, other than that.

[859] So if you've got 12 bipedal apes that live and they bury their dead, I mean, you're not going to find a skeleton.

[860] You're going to find, what do we find?

[861] Tracks.

[862] We hear sounds.

[863] Somebody gets rocks thrown at them.

[864] Somebody sees something.

[865] And it's all we got, you know.

[866] Well, how many times someone see a mountain line?

[867] And we know there's so many mountain lines.

[868] Like, they would have so much.

[869] But that's the thing, there's no, like, game camera trap photos.

[870] You would think that someone would have taken some sort of a game trap photo.

[871] Well, there is some stuff.

[872] I mean, you can Google some of that when it comes to Bigfoot.

[873] The photos?

[874] I've never seen a photo.

[875] It's tricky.

[876] Everything's always blurry and out of focus.

[877] If they're really smart and they're good at hiding and they live in the forest, it'd probably be tough to get a beat on them.

[878] Yeah, they might even know what it is that's going.

[879] They might even just recognize the technology in the tree and say, I'm going to stay away from that.

[880] Who knows, right?

[881] To most people like me, it's just a sexy idea.

[882] It's a very sexy.

[883] I plan on going, like Todd Standing is a real cool gentleman.

[884] His whole life is researching Bigfoot and Sasquatch for the purpose of protecting them.

[885] And, you know, when I go out, probably go out with him, the whole point is that we're not going out there to shoot him, tag him, or it was going out there to be going on their terms.

[886] if they exist, whatever they are, and let it happen.

[887] But the only way you can do that is my way, which is to go out there alone.

[888] It's been a long time, man, immersion.

[889] So I hate to sound like a marketer, but who else to do that?

[890] Dude, you're the fucking guy.

[891] Well, to you, it's a very different thing, though, than it is to me. I was saying, it's sexy to me. To you, you had an experience.

[892] Like, you've had two separate experiences, and one that was like, that sounds fucking terrifying.

[893] A bear can't make a noise like that?

[894] No, a bear, a bear, you know, huh, ha!

[895] You know, the bark sort of thing.

[896] But not, you know, hooping, hooping, hooping, hooping like that.

[897] You know.

[898] And five times in a row, the exact same way.

[899] I mean...

[900] Don't you wish you just got a flashlight on it just to see what the fuck was...

[901] You know, the thing was my camera was 20 feet away, and I wanted to turn it on so bad, but I didn't move.

[902] I didn't move a muscle the whole time.

[903] And then when I finally moved is when it took off, and I heard this big crashing and smashing and going through the forest.

[904] and I was gone I should have ran right after it too I went down to where he was really I went down there I gotta go see this I would have been shitting my pants I was scared I got scared when we were sleeping because a deer came into the camp and a deer made some noise like hoofed and stomped its feet and I was like oh there's a fucking deer out there some mean ass deers What if you found out that Bigfoot's just a bunch of murderers that are hiding in woods you know like that's where they live now They've just, they live in the middle of woods.

[905] How do they make that whoop, whoop, because that's with them trying to scare the crap out of it.

[906] Yeah, so you get the fuck out of there.

[907] That could be something, eh?

[908] Could be.

[909] Maybe like those dudes from swamp people.

[910] Yeah.

[911] They can make some noises.

[912] They can throw rocks.

[913] They can make some noises, too.

[914] Wear suit.

[915] Yeah.

[916] Bigfoot's a serial murderer.

[917] And there's just tons of serial murderers.

[918] Now that's a different theory.

[919] I'm not even going out now, man. Just went straight, scoopy -dew on us.

[920] Hang us saying.

[921] So you're talking about serial murderers who live way off in the middle of nowhere where people never go.

[922] That's strapped.

[923] You know what being trolled?

[924] You know what that means?

[925] No, that's a good idea.

[926] He's trolling you with his ideas.

[927] If you're a serial murder that you don't want to go to prison, sucked in.

[928] And what you do is just cover yourself with hair.

[929] He turns his face to me like he's upset that we're not considering it.

[930] Serious.

[931] If I was a serial murder.

[932] It's a good theory.

[933] And you looked like a monkey.

[934] I get it.

[935] And then you breed with other ones and you make female and date.

[936] No, you make people, you get scared of you.

[937] Like you're some kind of animal.

[938] Or, or.

[939] the country dude bigfoot gets all the serial murders and makes them his bitch oh it's like a yeah texas chainsaw massacre with bigfoot yeah there's a kingpin monkey guy now go steal me that backpack he just has sex with all these serial murders there's a guy who's sending a blimp over the pacific northwest he's going to try to capture one uh on camera i saw that yeah yeah you got to go in i think you got to do a pull a survivor man and go in and be there for like two weeks on your own in the middle sitting on a tree how long could you go out there for like Like, if you could bring, like, a, you wouldn't want to bring an animal because it would smell, right?

[940] Like, to carry, like, a llama or something to carry your, your items.

[941] But, like, how long could you, like, live out in one spot?

[942] Like, if you went to the Pacific Northwest, wherever you think that there's the highest incident of Bigfoot sightings and you went wandering through the woods, how long could you live out there with what you could carry?

[943] With what it could carry?

[944] Yeah.

[945] Well, if you're willing to hunt, you could go, you know, you could really go indefinitely, if you're willing to hunt.

[946] as long as you brought a fishing rod and a rifle.

[947] Yeah, I did a, sorry, I don't mean this to be a plug, but so I did a book, Will to Live.

[948] And in that book I wrote about all these.

[949] Please plug your book.

[950] Okay, Will to Live.

[951] Harper Collins.

[952] And I did all these stories of survival in it.

[953] And one of the stories that I dissected was actually Chris McKinnis, the Into the Wild guy, the John Penn movie with the Eddie Vetter soundtrack.

[954] Cool soundtrack.

[955] And, you know, he went in, he didn't have to die.

[956] I mean, he had a gun, and he just went in with a lack of skill.

[957] but there are men and women who go out there and as long as you've got the skill set and you've got the ammunition you take like he took down a moose and then the moose spoiled that was ridiculous didn't have to happen but he didn't know what to do you take down one moose you're kind of covered for the year at least six months right so of eating so it's indefinitely if I've got you know a rifle and ammunition wow otherwise if you're talking survival it's brutal you know if it's survival I have no idea because you know you can perish pretty quickly even if you are a survivor man yeah his the kid from that movie he went and he was like sleeping in like a mobile home or something like that right he found an old bus an old bus then he died there yeah unfortunately very tragically he did i say tragically because you know he was an intelligent man a creative man he didn't need to die you know but he was also i said in my book and he was very very charming you know Alaska doesn't give a crap if you're charming or not you know that's a good point yeah you can believe in you yourself all you want but if you're delusional if you don't freeze to death if you don't know how to meat like a moose if you don't know how to hunt you're going to freeze to death yeah you need to learn those as skills it's like it's a ridiculous proposition and just go out there and try to figure it out as you go along you know in the beginning of the conversation i tend to play it down a little bit and i you know i say look anybody could do what i do i still i stand by that but that doesn't mean that it's not you know brutal out there it doesn't mean that it's uh that it's uh that it's It's easy, you know, because the worst thing is three o 'clock in the morning.

[958] You try to sleep through the nights.

[959] Three o 'clock, four o 'clock in the morning, you don't, I mean, when I'm there, every time on day three, I want to go home.

[960] Right.

[961] I'm like, what am I doing here?

[962] This is stupid.

[963] Why am I doing this?

[964] You know, I could be my, you know, my, the crew that brought me in is out somewhere at a hotel having a beer right now, you know, and I'm sleeping on the ground, freezing my ass off and shivering and it sucks and I'm tired, I'm hungry and I miss my kids and all that, you know, blah, blah, blah, all that stuff comes in.

[965] And there's nothing, there's nothing, that's the thing about when the copycat shows all came up, there's nothing fun about survival.

[966] It sucks, you know, I mean, what I do as Survivor Man is, can be brutal and can be very hard.

[967] And I do it with a wink in my eye and with some wit and I have some witticisms and I've got skill set and I'm teaching and I'm filming, but it still sucks no matter what.

[968] It's still very, very hard.

[969] And when the other shows came along and they tried to make it look like it's all so, you know, this or that or fun, it's not.

[970] The reason is that they're not there at 3 in the morning sleeping on the ground like I still am.

[971] You know, I'm still there at 3 a .m. sleeping on the ground.

[972] I'm not off in a hotel, you know, working over the scripts for the next day.

[973] And sleeping on the ground sucks.

[974] You know what you feel like?

[975] You get the shivers up your spine and it feels just like you did when you were eight years old and you had the flu.

[976] And you just, you cry and you want to go home and you just want your mom to bring you some toast and peanut butter.

[977] That's all you care.

[978] And that's what it's like when you're out there and you're shivering and you're, you know, 45 -year -old man, it still sucks.

[979] Jesus Christ.

[980] That's in survival.

[981] Wilderness travel is different, because I can go out there with food and a tent.

[982] I can be out there forever.

[983] That's beautiful.

[984] Then you're connecting with the earth, but surviving is different.

[985] So if you had like a campsite and a tent and, you know, various necessities, fishing rod, rifle, you could just be out there near a river where there's water.

[986] You could be out there forever.

[987] Yeah, if I had a woman, yeah.

[988] But would you enjoy that?

[989] Without a woman?

[990] No, I mean, even with a woman.

[991] With a woman, I mean, I did.

[992] I mean, the first year of marriage, my second wife, that's exactly what we did.

[993] We spent a year living in the bush, a full year.

[994] And you know what?

[995] It was fantastic, I got to say.

[996] Wow.

[997] That's incredible.

[998] It was great.

[999] Now.

[1000] Did you forage for your own food?

[1001] We did.

[1002] Yep.

[1003] We forage.

[1004] Didn't grow up there.

[1005] Now, would I do it now?

[1006] I'd go out now and I'd enjoy times now.

[1007] But, you know, I also love, you know, sushi and vivant.

[1008] Vegas too.

[1009] So, I mean, I like both worlds.

[1010] You know, I like jumping back and forth.

[1011] I love my music and rock and roll, but I love hopping in a canoe.

[1012] So I'm always equally at home as I am in a dugout canoe as I am going to New York and watching a show.

[1013] Yeah, it seems like you found this, uh, that's a crazy balance.

[1014] It is crazy balance, yeah.

[1015] I like, you know, when I was really young, I watched a Tarzan movie one time and it wasn't Weiss Miller.

[1016] It was Steve Reeves or somebody like that.

[1017] And in it, the beginning of the movie, happens and he's guys in a suit and it's like New York he's like this high -end lawyer or something he's got babe on his arm and he's and a call comes in there's trouble in the jungle and he grabs this stuff and this woman goes aren't you gonna need to pack and he picks up a bowie knife and a loin cloth and he goes all I'll need and it was Tarzan and off he goes off into the jungle this and I thought that's the coolest thing I ever saw in my life man this guy like is driving Aston Martin and swing from a tree that's like so cool and here I am you know now doing playing survivor man and you know and rock and roll and i love jumping between both worlds it's cool i uh there was a charles carouac is that what the guy's name was jack carrawak no no charles carolte used to do those um i think it was uh for 60 minutes it was anyway he was interviewing this guy who was a trapper who lived alone in alaska and uh he lived there for like six months out of the year and then he would come back down, you know, but he would stay up there for huge periods of time with no contact with the outside world.

[1018] And he said that once he started to do that, he could read animals' minds.

[1019] You do get a little loopy when you're out there for a while, you know.

[1020] A lot of times I'm, they compare me to Dick Pronicki, a wilderness, man of the wilderness or something.

[1021] You know, I think what Dick did was fantastic.

[1022] He was obviously an engineer mind and he built this great place and he was out in the wilderness like 30, 35 years, 25 years, something like that.

[1023] But in my mind, you know, if you're leaving society behind for 25 years, it's got to be a little something, you've got to be missing something.

[1024] I think, and I've known trappers, a lot of friends trappers, and I, you know, I trapped, but you can get pretty loopy out there.

[1025] If you, even in Survivor Man, for seven days, one of my guys I work with, you say, yeah, I always knew when you lost it all right, on day five was like, oh, this is the day, less loses it, look at his eyes, you know, and that's only five days, you know, so you're out there for a few months or a few weeks.

[1026] Do you get a little loopy?

[1027] If you're alone, if you're not alone, it all changes.

[1028] But if you're alone, I think you can get a little...

[1029] I like that show.

[1030] Cabin fever.

[1031] Mountain men.

[1032] Have you ever seen it?

[1033] I heard it, saw the promo, but I don't know how much of it is BS.

[1034] It seems legit.

[1035] But the one guy, one guy lives in Alaska.

[1036] And he's a trapper.

[1037] And all this guy does is just run his trap lines all day with a snowmobile.

[1038] He's up there for months and months at a time.

[1039] And it's fucking crazy.

[1040] you're watching it thinking about what the hell that's like this guy's flying in on a plane he flies for hours over this vast wilderness before he lands in the spot that he's been walking around for years he goes to the same spot and he has these different cabins set up he's built log cabins he's constructed at these various places and they're just barely big enough to store like hides and a bed and he has like a little stove in him it's fucking crazy it's escaping society right it's just shunning society and the fascinating part about what he's he's doing is you think about it that while he's out there he doesn't know what's happening in the world yeah he comes out in the world changed comes out and you know 9 -11 happened comes out and something else happened comes a war whatever he so those guys don't know they literally don't know yeah anything has gone on they might come out and and all such of stuff has happened and then the dust is settled and not even ever hear of what happened while they were gone because it maybe doesn't matter anymore by the time they get out it's that's wild that i thought have you ever seen that vice piece on that guy that lives in the Arctic Hymmo, or Hymoh, his name is, I think it's called Hymoh's Arctic Refuge.

[1041] It's about a guy who lives way, I think it's northeast Alaska, and he has this cabin.

[1042] It's like one of the last ones, you're like one of the last people that's allowed to live out there.

[1043] Homesteading laws, yeah.

[1044] And he's out there eating caribou and fishing, and he gets, he gets trapped, and he gets money for the skins and that pays for like vegetables or whatever the hell he eats that he gets his vitamins from and different supplies and guns and stuff like that and he's just out there with him and his wife a lot of these guys they they really if you talk once you interview them talking they don't want much of society and that's not for me let's hear that you know that's not for me and that's where they they end up is alaska well he was talking about like this great satisfaction that he gets from hunting and fishing and and and being like a hunter gatherer he's like this is like this is what keeps men happy it's the core of us i mean why does why did so many people like survivor man i think a lot of times it's because it touched on the core of who we are we can have all this other stuff like you got in here in this studio right now but if you're left alone what matters food water shelter done those three things food water shelter over and over again and and when i do what i do or these guys go off and live like that you're bringing it down to that you know you're bringing it down to brass tacks just saying this is it.

[1045] There's nothing else that matters.

[1046] And so people watch and they go, yeah, if I lost it all, it would be like what Stroud's doing and I'm going to watch, because that's like losing it all, man. All you have to do is get warm and get some water and some food.

[1047] Like that's pretty, and in many ways, that's very freeing if you think about it, right?

[1048] You don't worry about rent payments or anything else.

[1049] You just want to drink.

[1050] Yeah, but then you got to like every day and a search for food.

[1051] I think you'd get tired of that shit.

[1052] Real quick.

[1053] You do.

[1054] Long for the days of supermarkets.

[1055] It gets old real fast, yeah.

[1056] So, I mean, you know, if you're good and you catch a moose, you know, that's a big, that's a spiritual moment when something like that happens.

[1057] But, you know, when, if you have me go in with stuff like we were talking about, I'm a happy man, you know, because now I'm not worried about trying to get the next meal.

[1058] Do you, where do you live now without giving out your home address?

[1059] Well, I'm basically living in, what's like cottage country in Ontario for people of Toronto, other than Muskolkas.

[1060] and I've got my off -the -grid place as well but I wasn't raised by wolves and I don't live we did an MTV Crips came up and we did my place and so I did a sort of a tongue -and -cheek show of my bedroom and it was basically shelter in the bush you know with a little fire going inside it's a master suite but I just live normal you know I live up there normal and you have an off -the -grid place too I do yeah it's pretty cool actually solar panels and wind generator and where is that it's a 178 in northern Ontario as well.

[1061] And you just, you built, like, just a sustainable home up there?

[1062] Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to say I built.

[1063] I had someone else.

[1064] You don't want me building anything.

[1065] Give me an axe and a tree.

[1066] I will make you shelter.

[1067] You throw in an angle or a moving part.

[1068] I'm screwed.

[1069] Not into precision.

[1070] Not into precision.

[1071] No, absolutely not.

[1072] So, yeah, I did it for a film called Off the Grid.

[1073] Okay.

[1074] Yeah, I've seen clips of that online.

[1075] I've never seen the actual movie, though.

[1076] Yep.

[1077] You should watch it.

[1078] I will, I promise.

[1079] But when you set this up, do you, like, go to visit it every now and then and stay up there?

[1080] Oh, yeah.

[1081] It's been there all the time.

[1082] Yeah?

[1083] What do you do when you go up there?

[1084] Play guitar.

[1085] Live there a little cave, man, play guitar.

[1086] Play guitar, get out in the ATV, go jogging down the road, have people over, sit by the fire.

[1087] Do you bring food with you, or do you hunt and fish where you're out there?

[1088] No, no. I actually, you know, I really, now I really only hunt for Survivor Man. When I'm doing Survivor Man, I hunt, but I haven't had time to go out.

[1089] Actually, my buddy, one of my best friends hunts all the time, and I'll text him while he's in a tree stand.

[1090] and he'll always say stop texting me and then i'll phone him stop phoning me any deer coming uh but i i don't have much time to get out there anymore and and do much hunting or anything like that so ted nugent isn't you know inviting me lately stuff when he does maybe i'll go have you ever done it with ted nudgean no no not at all ted nujia lives a crazy life he uh he has like two places one in michigan and one in texas and there they're those uh like a high fence operation yeah So he's got all these trees and shit And he hangs out and them And the animals just run around And he's like Got his own like personal playground To like shoot deer Yeah he freaks up to Ontario every year To hunt and he freaked out on Ontario because they stopped the spring bear hunt And he went on a rampage and said Nobody go to Ontario anymore Which was like people were getting really ticked off about Why did you say that?

[1091] Because we stopped the spring bear hunt Now it's only a fall bear hunt But he still comes up I think for the fall bear hunt Well they do that though Because they count numbers I mean, it's important to like...

[1092] Well, there was a lot of orphanages happening too, right?

[1093] Because you're shooting the mother bear with a new spring cub who hasn't had a chance to really get on its feet, you know, at least in the fall it's had the summer to wean itself and to, you know, do what it's got to do.

[1094] So, I mean, a lot of it was that as well as numbers.

[1095] Who knows?

[1096] There's science behind it somewhere.

[1097] Right, most of the time, right?

[1098] So why is he getting upset about that?

[1099] I thought of that.

[1100] That was his whole thing as being a conservationist.

[1101] I don't know.

[1102] I don't know.

[1103] Because he likes hunting in Black Bear in Ontario.

[1104] He loves hunting, period.

[1105] His show is fascinating to me He's always like thanking God and the government And fucking thanking all the army And the Marines and shit He's shooting deer with arrows all day He looks like he's having a good time though I gotta tell you Guy like he's Ted Nugent He's in his 60s He looks at me But besides all the right wing rhetoric It gets a little crazy Like Obama's purposely trying to ruin this kind He gets a little nutty But the whole shooting deer with arrows That looks fun as fuck Well he's doing you know The Bruce Lee thing He's expressing himself honestly right yeah yeah just um the um the the the deer hunting aspect of it is kind of fascinating i mean he really has like great joy does he have his own show oh yeah yeah i haven't seen it yet spirit of the wild i don't know if we get it in nudge it's a good show if you're into watching dudes fuck up deers with arrows he i'll google it he's badass he's uh i mean he's he i don't know like what the limits are for how many deer you're supposed to kill but he gets them all He fills the quota He fills his fucking tags I'll tell you that Ted Nugent knows how to shoot some fucking deer Like there's a lot of like hunting shows And like you'd say Well if Ted Nugia does a hunting show It's probably not as like good As like the real hunters He's a real fucking hunter Yeah I mean it's like Alice Cooper's a real golfer You know I mean He's a kick ass golfer You know there's different guys like that I mean that's the thing about being an artist Being a performer I think you you You know You go at things with pretty much full gusto You know, and your hobbies, you know, look at Ron Wood's paintings, you know.

[1106] I mean, things like that.

[1107] It's like, we always act surprised.

[1108] Like, well, Ron Wood can paint, too?

[1109] Well, yeah.

[1110] You know, and it's like, okay, perfect segue.

[1111] So me as Survivor Man, and the whole thing of me playing my music.

[1112] It's like, that's why I blew harmonica on all those shows was to say to people with a little wink of my, yeah, I'm not a one -trick pony here, man. I don't just do firebows.

[1113] That's why you did the harmonica?

[1114] That's, well, it was one of the reasons.

[1115] You fucking dragged an amp out there with a life raft.

[1116] Next time.

[1117] Do you pull an axe out?

[1118] Bring a little...

[1119] You got like an hour's worth of battery, and he chose to play voodoo child on the beach.

[1120] That's right.

[1121] Just, yeah.

[1122] That would send a message.

[1123] Wait for my traps to take.

[1124] That's how confident I am in surviving.

[1125] I'm going to blow some blues.

[1126] And my axe skills.

[1127] Perfect segue.

[1128] Why don't we do one?

[1129] Yes, please.

[1130] What's the name of the song you're going to do?

[1131] Let's see, what am I got?

[1132] Oh, yeah, we're going to do...

[1133] Yeah, you ready, Danny?

[1134] You're going to set up?

[1135] Okay, so Danny...

[1136] He's a showbiz man. That's an awesome segue.

[1137] Danny Weiss is Weiss.

[1138] See, that's how new of a friend Danny is to me. Danny Weiss is a brand new friend of him.

[1139] I just met him here in your studio and good friends of good friends of mine and a phenomenal guitar player of too many names to mention but we've got Iron.

[1140] Butterfly Alice Cooper name a few.

[1141] Name a few.

[1142] Go ahead, Danny.

[1143] Bet Midler.

[1144] You were doing so good and then you hit Bet Midler.

[1145] Lou Reed.

[1146] Okay, Lou Reed, back to Lou Reed.

[1147] So Danny's a phenomenal guitar player and I've just my friends of...

[1148] I'm just Connected me with him.

[1149] I actually like Bet Miller.

[1150] I like the Rose.

[1151] The Rose is a good fucking song.

[1152] Sorry.

[1153] So we're going to do, I'll do it.

[1154] What is, uh, the name of the...

[1155] I'll play, uh, I'll just play in the air.

[1156] I'm going to take the headphones on.

[1157] All right.

[1158] Can I hear you?

[1159] All right.

[1160] Nice tattoo.

[1161] All right.

[1162] It's good that I had a beer to drink with it.

[1163] We'll just warm up a bit.

[1164] Renaissance man. Yeah, yeah.

[1165] Man of many skills.

[1166] Can live out in the, fucking woods, by himself, and knows how to jam, folks.

[1167] Things in her nose.

[1168] What she's supposed to taste tattoo.

[1169] It could be out across her chest.

[1170] She could have one on her legs.

[1171] Say, slipper when wet.

[1172] A woman with a nice tat.

[1173] Like a woman gonna give me my fill.

[1174] I like across her chest You could have one on her legs That's you Thanks Danny That was fun dude If I was a chick I'd let you fuck me If I was at a bar And you were playing there You'd be like, I'll let this guy fuck man You'd be like, I'd go hunting man I would do things to that booze man Yeah because they say You know like those kind of songs They're like Putting ideas in a girl's head And then you get off the stage and she's like, I can't believe how good your music sounds.

[1175] Less Trowd.

[1176] I just knew you from Survivor Man. Isn't it what rock and roll is all about?

[1177] Isn't it?

[1178] It must be.

[1179] It's very compelling, you know?

[1180] Someone who can make awesome sounds.

[1181] It's incredibly compelling to people.

[1182] You know, I told you earlier that I read the Greg Amund Autobiography, and he was talking about it.

[1183] He said he had no luck with women whatsoever, and then he started to sing.

[1184] The second he sung on stage, you got this cute little long, blonde hair dude, And he starts singing, you know, stormy Monday, you know, and all that, you know.

[1185] And yeah, that was it.

[1186] Yeah, it's some great fucking songs.

[1187] Whoops.

[1188] Even the later stuff, like, I'm no angel.

[1189] That's a great fucking song, man. That guy had some real soul to his voice.

[1190] Absolutely.

[1191] And that was a voice of a man who's had real life experiences, real regrets.

[1192] Total, yeah.

[1193] Yeah.

[1194] And the book pulls no punches.

[1195] You know, it's a life of drugs and alcohol and redemption and women.

[1196] And man, there's a lot going on And there's a lot going on in life like that There's a man down there Might be your man I don't know So much good fucking music man Almond Brits You know that's one of the new things too Musically is coming out I didn't You know I started listening to What's that The serious The satellite thing Jam Jam something I can't remember the name of the station Jam on And they're playing You know White's Bed Panic And government mule and almond brothers with Derek Trucks and playing all this stuff and so that's new stuff and fish and it's great these guys these guys went from hacked noodlers to pro top players now you know they were hacked noodlers back in the day when they were starting now they're great you know and they're playing really super well and the Warren Haynes and all these guys it's great stuff you know and I miss that you know just some letting somebody go I'm sure Danny has had his share of just you know shredding and cutting loose and going and you know I do this thing when I play with my band and my guitar player Eina, Oje, God bless him.

[1197] He's a great player.

[1198] He's really creative.

[1199] But he'll do the solo, and I know he'll do a solo based on, okay, it's time to end the solo.

[1200] And if I'm having a great night and I think he's got it, I'll go, no, you're not done.

[1201] And I'll turn my back to him on stage and go no, sorry, man, you're not done.

[1202] Keep playing, man. Keep playing.

[1203] And I just go.

[1204] You got it.

[1205] You went to the top.

[1206] Now go past it.

[1207] You know?

[1208] Yeah, when you watch somebody go off, we had a...

[1209] Steve Rave on.

[1210] Andrew Dice Clay.

[1211] Believe it his son Max is an incredible drummer and uh we uh we played a video of him uh at the improv in hollywood and it's ridiculous how good he is i mean what is he 21 yeah he's very young but he's been playing drums his whole life so i mean he's fucking incredible he's like like a professional i mean it's like well kids these days right i mean man they're starting young you got 12 year old shredders yeah you didn't have 12 year old kids shredding in the 70s yeah way more to listen to And YouTube, you could learn how to do everything.

[1212] Now when I want to learn a new track, I just go, okay, let's see, how do I play that song?

[1213] I just YouTube it, and there's some guy sitting there going, and then you go to this chord, and what you don't know is he detuned it and put a capo on, and you're going, oh, that's how he does that.

[1214] It's crazy.

[1215] We live.

[1216] We're free.

[1217] We live in strange times.

[1218] It is strange, but again, Joe, I keep coming back to the same thing.

[1219] I mean, you know, obviously you and I both like fights, right, the UFC.

[1220] We like the martial arts, mixed martial arts, all that.

[1221] So that is a stage.

[1222] It's real, and it's right then and there.

[1223] And rock and roll or good music, if not rock and roll, just good music, right country, I don't care what you got, pop, right then and there is when it's all, you know, comes down.

[1224] You've got like this drummer guy you're talking about, man, if they can do it right then and there, it's an awesome thing.

[1225] It's nothing like it.

[1226] And that's why I love performing so much, because with Survivor Man and Beyond Survival and Shark Creek and all the film stuff, I don't know for months.

[1227] And, and, well, now it is a little quicker.

[1228] the websites and stuff, it's like, oh, we loved your episode last night.

[1229] But when you've got people in a crowd and there's 8 ,000 people and you've got 90 minutes with 8 ,000 people, it's a lot of energy.

[1230] And it lives or dies right there.

[1231] You know that very second.

[1232] You know how to win them back and pull them back if you thought you lost them for a second.

[1233] And that's intense.

[1234] I love that stuff.

[1235] I love the stage.

[1236] Yeah, well, it's certainly intense.

[1237] What people don't understand about mixed martial arts, a lot of people think it's brutish behavior or they think that it's a thought.

[1238] or, you know, violent assholes.

[1239] It's hard for them to wrap their heads around it, but they really are artists.

[1240] It's you're expressing yourself and you're expressing your, when you watch someone execute beautifully inside the octagon, to me, when I say beautiful, I'm not saying because I'm running out of adjectives.

[1241] I'm saying because it is beautiful to me. To me, when I watch, like, a great performance inside the octagon, it's like a work of art. and it's dedication and focus over years and intelligence and learning and adapting and changing and modifying and constantly assessing until you build your skills up to the point where you have extreme competency.

[1242] You know, like when I see a guy like Anderson Silva inside the Octagon, I see him, he's putting on a fucking show.

[1243] No one more clear than Anderson.

[1244] There's never been a more clear example in his last fight.

[1245] he called the guy who's fighting stephen bonner called him to come to me and he put his back against the cage like come on hit me and he just stood in front of him and let stephen bonner throw punches from inches away and just slipped them and cracked him then threw him on the ground and knead him in the chest it was a masterful ballet of violence it was a a beautiful performance an artistic expression like mohammed of who anderson sylva is yeah he's a fucking artist when that guy does but people have a hard time accepting the concept of an artist attached to something as violent as damaging a person but it's just because they're looking at it wrong that it's not a violent act in the sense of normal violent acts where somebody finds someone and picks on them or starts a fight with them for no reason it's a contest of great significance and repercussion that's what it is you're looking at it as violence because those techniques can be used in the violent act and even though it's violent in its description.

[1246] It's not an act of violence.

[1247] It's an active competition and the expression of character.

[1248] That's why the best fights move souls, changed lives, dudes start jogging.

[1249] I mean, just you see that expression of character when somebody really puts a training camp together and really develops their skills to the point where they're at a Mani Pachial level or you know, someone like Sugar Ray Leonard was.

[1250] That's that kind of shit, that's art. That's art. That's I agree with it.

[1251] I think it is art. I think seeing that kind of passion in people, no matter what genre they're in, you know, is hugely motivating, hugely inspirational.

[1252] You know, every single day, sorry, this is circling it back, but every single day alone in the wilderness, I would sit on the edge of a lake about to film day three of Survivor Man or whatever.

[1253] And I would say to myself, whatever it is I do, let it result in being inspirational to somebody's life and affect them in a positive way.

[1254] way.

[1255] And then I would stop that and I would think, don't be an idiot less.

[1256] You're just, you're making a shelter.

[1257] It's what's inspirational about that.

[1258] And then I started getting these emails from people.

[1259] You got me through eight months on my back in a hospital bed watching your shows.

[1260] My son and I were estranged, but because of your shows, we got back together again.

[1261] I left an abusive relationship because of your shows.

[1262] Because of my shows, all I'm doing is building a freaking shelter.

[1263] And so when you connect, when you go, like with the fights as well, it's the same.

[1264] When you see people embroiled passionately in what they, passionately and what they do, and what they do, like De Silva, like so many others, you can't help but be inspired by it, I think, and affected by it.

[1265] That's fascinating.

[1266] I think those people that are saying that you're changing their life, it's probably the government trying to get close to you.

[1267] That's normal.

[1268] No, I'm a Canadian.

[1269] They don't care about us.

[1270] They don't try to get closest in Canada.

[1271] You most certainly changed people's idea of how thin our attachment to surviving really is, like how little we really know and how much we're dependent on this whole system that we have set up cities and delivering food.

[1272] I did a show once I'm sorry, Discovery Channel, I love you, but I'm so embarrassed by the show we did, which was surviving urban disasters.

[1273] And primarily because I didn't produce the show, and I regret it to this day.

[1274] And it was all about how to survive an urban disaster, right?

[1275] You know, fill your bathtub up with water, that sort of stuff.

[1276] Right.

[1277] You know, if you want, just all such a little tricks and tips.

[1278] And now, nowadays, you can bet every time there's a hurricane sandy or anything like that, I get phone calls from the news centers if I'll go on and do an interview about, you know, what do people need to know about surviving through the stuff, you know?

[1279] And it still amazes me to this day, though, just how lacking in common sense.

[1280] I think most people are, you know, it's like, well, you know, it's a hurricane coming.

[1281] Like, think about the same thing that Survivor Man always says, shelter, food, and water.

[1282] What else you got to think about, whether or not you're going to be able to play call a duty?

[1283] that night, you know, it's shelter food and water, man. Unfortunately, for a lot of people, that seems like an abstract idea.

[1284] It doesn't seem to be really registering in their head, the idea that you could have no food or no water.

[1285] Like, their whole life, it's been supermarkets, go to the store, get your food, go to the restaurant, get your food.

[1286] The idea of it is abstract.

[1287] Hey, I take, every once in a while, I'll do, you know, one of those corporate things, and I'll take some people out, they got one night, one night overnight, and they're freaking, you know, I mean, people go four hours without food.

[1288] I mean, my son will say, oh, I'm starving.

[1289] And I'm like, dude, seriously, you got the wrong father to say I'm starving, too.

[1290] It's like, you've been four hours without a hot dog.

[1291] Like, relax, you know.

[1292] Yeah, no shit.

[1293] What's the longest you've gone without eating?

[1294] Probably 10 days, I guess.

[1295] Whoa.

[1296] Yeah, a few pine nuts and things thrown in there, maybe a frog or two.

[1297] So I don't know if that's fair enough.

[1298] No, that was actually before Survivor Man. Really?

[1299] Yeah, with the new shows.

[1300] Well, I guess with the new shows, yeah, I don't know.

[1301] In Mexico, I got a squid I found and some clams and some stuff like that.

[1302] And in Norway, I got the deer carcass.

[1303] So there's a few things.

[1304] You found a deer carcass?

[1305] Yeah, well, it was one of those things where, I mean, I knew there was hunters up there.

[1306] I mean, I knew them.

[1307] I knew there'd be hunting going on up there.

[1308] I knew there would probably be carcasses left around up in that area where I was going to be.

[1309] So I didn't, I wasn't set up, but I knew that that, you know, potential was there.

[1310] And sure enough, I traveled around and found a hunter's cabin, which was part of surviving, right?

[1311] B &E is doing a good B &E as part of survival sometimes, right?

[1312] Yeah, you'd be stupid if you stayed outside of any glue.

[1313] It's like, no, it's ethically wrong to go through that window.

[1314] I will just freeze out here.

[1315] And there was a deer carcass there.

[1316] Oh, so someone had shot it and left it there?

[1317] Left the, you know, the guts.

[1318] Did they take some of it out?

[1319] Oh, yeah, all the meat was gone.

[1320] It was just the guts and stuff.

[1321] But there's a lot of food when you've got a liver.

[1322] They left the liver?

[1323] Yeah, it's like that big Norwegian deer liver.

[1324] Oh, wow.

[1325] Deer liver's delicious.

[1326] I'm very proud of that show.

[1327] That was the first 10 days one, the Norway one.

[1328] Does frog or toad taste any different?

[1329] Well, I don't, I don't eat toad, actually.

[1330] You don't eat tog?

[1331] Really?

[1332] Yeah, I haven't had toad at all.

[1333] So only frog.

[1334] How can you never had a toad?

[1335] I don't know.

[1336] I will next show if you won't.

[1337] Is it, I mean, what's the difference as far as how they're related?

[1338] Toads are dry land, right?

[1339] It's a dry land amphibium and frogs are water amphibians.

[1340] But do people eat both?

[1341] It's probably a biologist somewhere going, oh, dude, just getting that so wrong.

[1342] Probably.

[1343] I don't know.

[1344] I never heard of eating a toad.

[1345] You've eaten a toast?

[1346] No, I grew up with a lot of toads in Ohio.

[1347] Did you eat?

[1348] No, I didn't eat them, but I kissed them a lot.

[1349] But I don't see them anymore.

[1350] Did anyone become a prince?

[1351] No, I don't think, is that toad?

[1352] No, I think you just get like a toad.

[1353] That's a frog.

[1354] That's a frog.

[1355] Oh, is it?

[1356] Frog turns into a prince.

[1357] So they eat frog legs.

[1358] That's very common.

[1359] Frog legs are great.

[1360] And they do taste like chicken.

[1361] I don't think people eat toad, but somebody's going to get right in now anyway.

[1362] I'm sure someone's eating them.

[1363] There's people eating a lot of shit out there.

[1364] I remember when I was in Costa Rica and I was setting up to do the Costa Rican Survivor Man show and this was before the show started and we're standing in this little hut and it was upstairs and I hear this person walking up the steps.

[1365] Was it Bigfoot?

[1366] Like that.

[1367] Costa Rican Bigfoot.

[1368] No, apparently he's not in the jungle.

[1369] And finally, I was freaking me out.

[1370] So I take my flashlight, I go around.

[1371] It was a frog the size of a, of a, like a saucer pan and he was going up the steps.

[1372] Clump.

[1373] Wow.

[1374] Clump.

[1375] This is this massive, Costa Rican frog huge these guys are gigantic down there thought that would be a good meal I love toads steak dinner would you have eaten that yeah if I'd found them a week later when I was filming Survivor Man it's probably tough to kill that's a big fucking no you probably just sit on it it's not like a Hollywood they don't have fangs or anything has anybody died from frogs well and they also they have the poison tip frogs in Costa Rica yeah and what is the deal with those they've got this the poison on their skin you touch that, touch it to your eye, you're dead.

[1376] Whoa.

[1377] There's a lot of shit in the rainforest that's designed to get rid of people.

[1378] I know.

[1379] You stayed in the Amazon, I'm sure.

[1380] Yeah, the Amazon, I tell you, the thing about the Amazon is, there that's just so much there that's poisonous.

[1381] And it's not, you know what it's, it's not the snakes, it's not the spiders, it's not jaguar, it's not other creepicollies, it's the ants.

[1382] Every time it's the ants.

[1383] The ants are the worst part of the jungle.

[1384] Because they're just, there's so many of them, and they all hurt like hell.

[1385] And the bullet ants are worse.

[1386] The bullet ants are like, you get stung by a bullet ants.

[1387] First of all, its bum is like a wasp.

[1388] And then it's got a big teeth on the front end.

[1389] It's about two inches long.

[1390] And what it does is it sinks its teeth into you, and then it shoves its bum stinger into you.

[1391] And they say it's like taking a scorching red hot pair of pliers, jamming it into your skin, squeezing as hard as you can, twisting as hard as you can, and holding that for five hours.

[1392] Oh.

[1393] And that's a bullet ant sting, yeah.

[1394] And you can Google these, the, if it's the Wadani people and different, they actually have a coming of age thing where the young men take a glove, they build a glove out of twigs, and they trap on the glove like 30 of these ants.

[1395] And your thing is you have to shove your hand into the glove.

[1396] Yeah, we played it on the podcast.

[1397] You saw that?

[1398] I believe we played it.

[1399] But, yeah, we, it's insane.

[1400] The amount of, like, disconnect that you must have to have, the tolerance.

[1401] Six of those things can bring a full -man, full -grown man down and put them out.

[1402] I think the guy, the show that I watched, I think the host tried it.

[1403] I think the host, let himself get, yeah, I think it was some English guy, let himself get jacked by the bullet ants, if I remember correctly.

[1404] Yeah, there was a bunch of young men who were doing it as a right of passage.

[1405] Yeah.

[1406] That's, there's a lot of that.

[1407] I mean, what I did beyond the series, did you see the series Beyond Survival?

[1408] No, I did not.

[1409] Okay, so you got to check that out because that was, you know, that was a series I did where I survived around the world with remote indigenous peoples and I did ceremonies.

[1410] I got tattooed with a stick in a nail.

[1411] Where was that?

[1412] By the Mentoi in Sumatra and a tattoo on the side too.

[1413] It's like a stick in a nail.

[1414] And then I did voodoo ceremonies, seed ceremonies, trance dances, all the stuff I did around the world.

[1415] and we did plant medicines in the Amazon jungle with the Incan people and the Guadani and that.

[1416] It was very, very intense series.

[1417] I can't remember why I went to that series, but in any event, it showed a lot of these crazy -ass ceremonies and combined with survival.

[1418] So the distinction wasn't made between spiritual survival and physical survival.

[1419] And I said that I went there to learn what's their spiritual survival in the jungles and deserts.

[1420] places like this and so they all was these wicked ass ceremonies where they are connecting to the ancients and connecting to the earth and and and learning how to survive but doing all these things you know as well and so I got to partake in a lot of the ceremonies and do them that was pretty intense so that series the reason why I'll say this is the behind the scenes crap but the reason why beyond survival it did very well it rated very well the problem was they didn't put my name in the title I know that sounds horribly pretentious but I said look it If you're flicking the dial and you're looking at the screen and it's got all the different shows listed and you see Beyond Survival, but you don't see Les Strouds Beyond Survival.

[1421] You're just going on and you're going to watch CSI.

[1422] It's true.

[1423] You know, but if they said Les Strouds Beyond Survival, all the Survivor Man fans would have gone, ah, okay.

[1424] That's funny that that's like an egotistic thing to say.

[1425] I know it is.

[1426] But it's right.

[1427] So you're supposed to say it.

[1428] It's like one of those things where you're right, though.

[1429] It's unquestioned.

[1430] Like for me personally, if I saw Beyond Survivor, I probably wouldn't.

[1431] But if I saw Les Strouds Beyond Survivor, like, oh, Survivor Man. dude.

[1432] I'll check that shit out.

[1433] No different than with you.

[1434] You could have like, you know, UFC podcast or something, something podcast, but Joe Rogan's name's not in it.

[1435] It's like, oh, well, maybe I might listen.

[1436] I might check it out.

[1437] And I see, oh, it's Joe Rogan's UFC podcast.

[1438] Oh, I could check that out.

[1439] We should totally do that.

[1440] But I would probably get sued.

[1441] The problem is the shit that I can say on this podcast.

[1442] I don't want to, like, connect that with the UFC podcast.

[1443] And then so then I'd have to like tone myself down and I'd fucking ruin it.

[1444] Steva was the one that, by the way, they did the bullet ants glove.

[1445] Yes.

[1446] Oh, Steve did it on, on, on, wild boys are jackass yeah he's so crazy that yeah wild boys and he also he also put him i remember that but it put him in the hospital yeah it is something fucking weird have you ever um encountered a brazilian wandering spider no you never heard of it no oh my god really no i'm going to brazil in december oh jesus dude the brazilian wandering spider you got to look this up because it's a spider that stings you and first of all it gives you the most unbelievably painful erection because it jolts your your production of nitric oxen side and injects it in some sort of a venom form from this spider and you you get like literally die with a heart on like your whole body stiffens up and if you do survive it's the most toxic spider known to man and if you do survive really yeah if you do survive your dick's dead forever your sexuality is ruined it's called a Brazilian wandering spider it's unbelievably be a lot of like they're trying to figure out how to use its venom to make the next hard -on drug they're going to make something that just kicks Viagra right in the dick yeah that's the that's right baby I took some spider tonight and it wanders on the floor there it is right there is that it yeah yeah that motherfucker will kill you with a boner I bet this guy will explain that so you don't think I'm crazy that's a mean look look at the spiders scientists are still not entirely sure Still not.

[1447] Yeah, back it up because it'll tell you about what it does to men.

[1448] A little bit more fun.

[1449] And if you're bitten by this beast, you're going to end up with a very painful, long -lasting erection.

[1450] And scientists are still not entirely sure about the effects on women.

[1451] The male brain actually mistakes the chemicals in the spider venom for the chemicals that the male brain normally uses to trigger an erection.

[1452] Hence the bizarre symptoms.

[1453] Now consider this.

[1454] this little spider has been doing that kind of thing for millions of years man has only just designed a drug that does broadly the same thing now how lucky was that he's way too obsessed with boners I'm obsessed with that being a terrifying fucking way to die die with a boner that's the thing I mean you know there's things down in the Amazon jungles where Brazil that it's when I was down there I was training off the Wadani and we learned to survive he was telling us a story through interpreter he had actually was, blowgun hit a monkey up in the tree.

[1455] I had to climb up the tree to get the monkey, 60 feet in the air, and he just, it's in the canopy, right?

[1456] So he just barely grazed, just brushed a caterpillar, and the electric jolt was so powerful that it jolted him right out of the tree and down 60 feet.

[1457] Oh, my God.

[1458] And he didn't break a single bone in his body, but he spent two weeks in the hospital, and his entire body was black.

[1459] It just went black, total black color.

[1460] Just blood everywhere.

[1461] And they found one entomologist that was in Brazil that had an antidote for that caterpillar.

[1462] I mean, so the stuff that's in the Amazon jungle is just bizarre.

[1463] It's still freaks me. I go down there, and like I said, but it's the ants.

[1464] I'm getting the itchyy's thinking about it.

[1465] It's the ants that always get to me when I go.

[1466] Yeah, my friend Brian Callan wanted to be a naturalist, and he spent one summer vacation or trip, rather, in school where they went to the rainforests, and they had to sleep on these elevated platforms that they would cover the posts with, like, chemicals to keep the ants off of it.

[1467] And he said, when you were up there sleeping, you could literally hear the ants walking.

[1468] That's right.

[1469] Yeah, that's right.

[1470] There's so many of them.

[1471] And you hear that, it's like that.

[1472] That is fucking terrible.

[1473] It's not fun.

[1474] There's nothing fun about trying to sleep on the floor in the Amazon jungle.

[1475] How do you sleep through that shit?

[1476] I'm not even sure how I did the shows I did do down there because sometimes I think about going down again to do like a 10 -day thing.

[1477] And I think, man, I don't know if I was just like lucky the first couple of times because I'm going to get down there and one wrong move.

[1478] And I've got, you know, a fertile on a snake or a spider or a poison dart frog or a bullet ant, you know.

[1479] And I was sleeping on the ground the whole time, right?

[1480] Oh, dude, you didn't make any kind of structure or anything?

[1481] Yeah, I slept off the ground by about a foot and a half on poles.

[1482] I mean, you know, the ants don't care of their ants are above your head, you know, and it was...

[1483] They're walking from tree to tree.

[1484] Yeah, and they're big, big, big.

[1485] Those bullet ants are so big, you only get 60 in a nest.

[1486] Oh, my God.

[1487] You know?

[1488] And I saw, oh, just, oh, man, at one point I saw six in a row, I thought I got to be near a nest somewhere.

[1489] Oh, God.

[1490] So it's, yeah, that, I got to admit, I mean, the Amazon jungle, on the other hand, I love, the Amazon jungle.

[1491] And I don't know if that's the Tarzan thing or what, but I just love the jungle.

[1492] It must be so exciting.

[1493] It's so live, dangerous.

[1494] Yeah.

[1495] Yeah, it's really beautiful down there.

[1496] They say that Amazon, that rather ants, can actually take out elephants and that if a sufficient amount of ants find a trail to the elephant's ears, they will literally climb up an elephant's leg and eat him from the ears.

[1497] Climb into his ears and just start eating his brain.

[1498] I don't know.

[1499] Yeah, I don't know.

[1500] That sounds like the craziest fucking thing I've ever heard in my life.

[1501] But I know that ants, if you're lying on the ground, like there's certain army ants that will fuck you up.

[1502] You know, the people die from them.

[1503] You know, the thing, I got bitten by a couple of army ants.

[1504] I saw them going across in a stream, and I wanted to film them, a stream of ants.

[1505] And I put the camera down, and, you know, about three or four inches from the stream.

[1506] I thought, no big deal.

[1507] They'll just keep walking across in front of my lens, and I get this cool shot of the ants going by.

[1508] I literally put it down, just as I barely touch.

[1509] the ground, I swear to you, the ants from over there jumped over, like jumped onto the camera in my hand.

[1510] Like, boom, bo, bo, bo.

[1511] It's like that.

[1512] I was like, ow!

[1513] And I instantly bit my hands like that.

[1514] They just started attacking.

[1515] Yeah, they just attacked.

[1516] These are army ants.

[1517] They were big ass army ants, too.

[1518] So, and then on the other hand, we had some ants come through the hot one night beforehand.

[1519] And the way that we, they were going under my hammock.

[1520] And what we did was we took a fire and we scraped the ground in front of them with a fire to break, because they all travel on pheromones.

[1521] It's all done through pheromone scent, right?

[1522] They follow each other on the pheromone trail.

[1523] And we were guiding them.

[1524] And so they made a new trail because we guided them to go over this way and away from the hut.

[1525] I was shown that by the Wadani, which is just using the fire thing, right?

[1526] Because it's all pheromone instinctive stuff.

[1527] That's why, if you've ever seen, if anybody's ever seen those YouTube videos of the spiral of death, they lose the scent of whoever the fuck is in the lead.

[1528] And they just spiral around in a circle until they starve to death.

[1529] Really?

[1530] What?

[1531] Have you never seen that?

[1532] No. Brian, it's crazy.

[1533] Spiral of death.

[1534] Spiral of death.

[1535] This is going to freak you out.

[1536] You've never seen this before.

[1537] It's a rare occurrence, apparently, but the ants get confused when they lose a scent, and they don't know who the fuck they're following.

[1538] And they get in these, they look like hurricanes.

[1539] They get in these spinning hurricanes of ants.

[1540] And then they spin in the circle until they all die.

[1541] It's called a death spiral.

[1542] It's fucking fascinating, man. It's rarely filmed.

[1543] It's not that common, but that's it right there.

[1544] Look at that.

[1545] That's essentially, that looks to me like a galaxy.

[1546] It looks like a hurricane.

[1547] It looks like, you know, it's craziness.

[1548] If you've never seen it, you have to Google it because it doesn't even seem like it's real.

[1549] It's this insane amount of ants.

[1550] And at the top, in the middle, rather, in the center, there is so many of them that they're piled up, like many, many times over, like 10, 20 ants high.

[1551] And they're all just trampling.

[1552] each other.

[1553] And why do they think they think it's because it's a fair mental thing.

[1554] There's an error.

[1555] Yeah, there's an error and they don't know what they lost their scent.

[1556] They don't know what the fuck they're doing.

[1557] Seriously, man, Billy doesn't know the way.

[1558] Oh, I know the way, guys.

[1559] Dude, I know where I'm going.

[1560] Trust me. It's a fascinating thing to watch though because it's just an error in nature.

[1561] That's a thing I've been really super fortunate with all the film work that I've done has been to see the beauty that I've seen.

[1562] You know, the Andes Mountains the Amazon jungle.

[1563] Dude, your Bigfoot story is still freaking me out.

[1564] I've got to be honest, that 50 foot away howling ape while you're in this tent.

[1565] Jesus Christ, man. When you're in Alaska.

[1566] Jesus.

[1567] That, to me, is the ultimate.

[1568] If I had, like, one question that I could ask where I could find out, like, one truth about the world, I would ask about Bigfoot.

[1569] Really?

[1570] If you could talk to God.

[1571] And I said, come on, dude, is there anything out there?

[1572] Come on.

[1573] That would be it.

[1574] Well, you know, I would ask about this life.

[1575] I would ask about like an afterlife, maybe if I had like options about looking towards the future.

[1576] I want the dirt on the squash, man. Yeah, I wouldn't want to know, dude.

[1577] I need to know this Bigfoot real.

[1578] And UFOs.

[1579] I would have to go with UFOs before Bigfoot.

[1580] But they're right up there with me. Both would make me equally happy.

[1581] You see that new footage?

[1582] Yeah.

[1583] Have you ever seen, sorry.

[1584] Have you seen that new footage in Denver?

[1585] Denver.

[1586] Yeah.

[1587] Where they actually, like the Telbizan channel went down to actually check it out.

[1588] Yeah.

[1589] Yeah, that's fucked up.

[1590] We don't even know what that is.

[1591] Yeah, but, you know, there's a lot of military shit going on in Denver.

[1592] And guess what?

[1593] They don't tell those people nothing.

[1594] You know, when you find out that there's, the idea is that in the next decade, there's going to be 30 ,000 drones flying above the city streets, 30 ,000 in this country.

[1595] You don't think they might just start that now?

[1596] Like, what, do they have to wait until 10 years?

[1597] they already have, like, permission to put drones any way they want.

[1598] So when I see, when I see something that's floating over a city, a bunch of people film it, I'm like, that's probably some government shit they're working on.

[1599] I think a lot of that stuff is pretty, you know, if you don't get caught up in it, conspiracy theory is fascinating.

[1600] You know, I listen to lots of times, I've been doing the long drive from Toronto, I'll throw on George Norrie's coast to coast and check that out.

[1601] I was actually on it one time.

[1602] Were you really?

[1603] Yeah, it was like a caller in.

[1604] Did you ever talk to Art Bell?

[1605] No, I was talking, it was George.

[1606] He's the OG.

[1607] Yeah.

[1608] The Art Bell shows were special.

[1609] Because Art Bell never questioned no matter how fucking crazy you were.

[1610] Yeah.

[1611] You'd call up Art, I'm a werewolf.

[1612] Really?

[1613] For how long?

[1614] Yeah.

[1615] How did you get bitten?

[1616] Where were you?

[1617] Yeah.

[1618] Tell us your story.

[1619] The guy would tell you some story about it.

[1620] Oh, yeah.

[1621] I was in Romania.

[1622] I was on a hunting trip.

[1623] You know, like listening to this.

[1624] It's good AM radio in the middle, in the middle, like two in the morning driving home in a long, dark night, and you're listening to that stuff.

[1625] And Arbell was the best.

[1626] And he introduced me to Terrence McKenna in a way, because one of the first Terrence McKenna recordings that I ever heard was someone had taken one of the Art Bell shows and put it online.

[1627] It was like from the 90s.

[1628] And it was Terrence McKenna from Hawaii on a wireless radio spectrum internet connection.

[1629] It was really fascinating.

[1630] So Art Bell had like some really interesting people on a show as well as whackadoos who were like playing conversations backwards to find, like, hidden meaning and what someone was trying to say.

[1631] That's the spice.

[1632] But when they bring in, like, those MIT guys and some of these, you know, big thinkers, and it's pretty fascinating to listen to these people talk.

[1633] And he's like, oh, this is so -and -so, and he's like, you know, SAT is 10 ,000 or, I don't know, I don't know what you call it in America, but it's just super huge, intelligent people.

[1634] And it's pretty fascinating to hear them go through and covering all the different basis of conspiracies.

[1635] And man, this dude doesn't sound like a wacko, you know.

[1636] Then you get the phone callers.

[1637] that's a different story when you get the phone callers in that's like yeah well my grandfather is an alien and I can prove it yeah there's dudes who call he had a line if you could call that line if you were from the future it would give that line out if you're a time traveler there's a time traveler line if you're just putting out of time you're just asking for assholes okay come on man how many time travelers are they really they need their own line Yeah, and then you finally get through, and they answer, and go, man, your line was busy the whole time.

[1638] It was busy, a long time.

[1639] I've been calling for 47 years.

[1640] It was busy.

[1641] Yeah, why couldn't you go back in time to when it wasn't busy?

[1642] Don't you have a good time machine?

[1643] It's just a one -shot deal.

[1644] If time travel does happen, yeah, you're going to be able to do it all the time, or is it like a one shot at it, and then there's no time machine if you go back in time.

[1645] See, now that's a way to think about it.

[1646] And then you have to choose where you go, which area are you going to go?

[1647] You're going to go to the 60s?

[1648] What would you do?

[1649] What would you do?

[1650] say if there was a time machine that could put you for one week in an era, the Paleolithic, the Jurassic, like you could you could live at one point in time.

[1651] Could humans live during the dinosaur era?

[1652] Was it too hot?

[1653] How hot was it?

[1654] I don't know.

[1655] I think, you know, when you see like the new version of King Kong, every time I saw a dinosaur movie, I always thought the same thing.

[1656] How come they never show really big -ass killer insects?

[1657] And finally, when they did the new King Kong, they got attacked by all this.

[1658] It's like, yeah, finally, that's right.

[1659] That's what it would be like.

[1660] You'd be a human and you'd get eaten by like a dragonfly.

[1661] Because a dragonfly would be this big.

[1662] So I don't know.

[1663] I think, I have no idea.

[1664] I'm sure there's paleontologists right now just like rolling their eyes going, oh, man, these idiots don't know what they're talking about.

[1665] Dude, if you could go back in time with a fucking camera and film you surviving around dinosaurs, that would be the dopest show in the history of the world.

[1666] If they invent a time machine within the next five years, promise me you will do Survivor Man, Jurassic Air.

[1667] you would probably benefit from a time machine more than anybody except people would like steal gold and hide it someplace then know where it is in the future those people would benefit the most but if you keep it ethical you would you would benefit more than anybody you could be able to go to a fucking dinosaur era and make a show yeah what would you do you would have to hide in the ground you don't go hang out with the bronosaurus because they're like we know they're gentle yeah but they're so big they're just going to step on your head while you're sleeping probably but in Steven Spielberg they were nice they probably weren't, though.

[1668] No, they probably weren't at all.

[1669] Steven Spielberg, man. He wants to make aliens nice.

[1670] Everybody's nice with that guy.

[1671] Yeah.

[1672] The T -Rex in Jurassic Park, I will never forget that scene where the kids were in that truck and the T -Rex comes over the fence.

[1673] And what's really amazing is that was like one of the first movies that really utilized CGI to the point where you got a realistic sense of what an animal like that would be built like and what it would be physically capable of.

[1674] it's so hard to think that that was all over the planet like they had a bunch of different kinds they were enormous actually right now you know all the dino digs they've done they've only actually found 10 % of what they figure actually existed and like so we've got 10 ,000 dinosaurs that they know about but there's hundreds of thousands of mammals on this planet that we know about it so they're just scratching the surface of the file of what was here I know but I think as humans if we walked in dinosaur time I mean the bottom line is we'd just be fodder Yeah, they'd get us too quick.

[1675] But I'd love the fact that there's people possessed to study that and give me that information.

[1676] I am so appreciative of that.

[1677] Because if it was up to me to find out how long dinosaurs...

[1678] There's a scene.

[1679] There's a scene right there with the T -Rex.

[1680] God damn, that was terrifying.

[1681] It seemed so realistic, man. Did you just put music on this, you son of a bitch?

[1682] Stop it, Brian.

[1683] I know what you're doing.

[1684] Look at that fucking thing.

[1685] I'll still watch this movie.

[1686] Just for this.

[1687] Just for this, I'll watch this movie for it.

[1688] It's a fucking movie rules.

[1689] That thing is so evil -looking.

[1690] The idea that this planet had a fuck load of those running around at one point in time, boy, we are so lucky that that asteroid hit the Yucatan.

[1691] We are so fucking lucky.

[1692] Could you imagine?

[1693] How about this?

[1694] You're on the fucking highway, and this thing steps up and...

[1695] flips a cab over in front of you.

[1696] And you're just hitting the gas.

[1697] It's like people who live around mountain lines and go, well, you know, we have to respect the fact that they were always here.

[1698] The fuck you do.

[1699] Better kill that dinosaur, son.

[1700] Things going to eat everybody.

[1701] We're so lucky those things aren't here anymore.

[1702] Well, we wouldn't be if they were.

[1703] That's for sure.

[1704] I wonder if people would try to bring them back, though.

[1705] If they were here and we killed them off, people are so dumb, they would try to bring them back.

[1706] Pull the Jurassic thing.

[1707] Yeah.

[1708] Well, they're doing that thing with crocodiles in Florida.

[1709] They were almost done.

[1710] There were almost no scary monsters that, like, eat dogs and jump up on fucking boardwalks and snatch dogs from six feet in the air.

[1711] And now they're bringing back the crocodile population.

[1712] And they're eating dogs now.

[1713] In Florida.

[1714] Yeah.

[1715] One of them pulled a dog off a six -foot dock, jumped out of the water and snatched this dog right in front of their friends.

[1716] But we had saltwater crocs in Florida.

[1717] We'd have saltwater crocs in Florida because they all hover around the edge of the Everglades, right?

[1718] Yeah.

[1719] But they were on the brink of extinction.

[1720] But you know about the python, too, right?

[1721] Yes.

[1722] That's a huge problem down there.

[1723] Yeah, we've shown the picture of the python eating the alligator.

[1724] Yeah.

[1725] We've shown it like 10 times on the show.

[1726] It's because it's so wrap your head around that.

[1727] It's eating a fucking alligator.

[1728] Like, that's how crazy these snakes are.

[1729] Like that's like that Jennifer Lopez movie, right?

[1730] Remember that movie, Anaconda?

[1731] Anaconda, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1732] Like, they literally, like, I mean, not quite that big, but pretty fucking close.

[1733] It's eating an alligator.

[1734] There's an alligator in its body.

[1735] Which basically, by extrapolation, if it can eat, an alligator like that, it can eat you.

[1736] Fuck, yeah, I can eat you.

[1737] When I was doing the Shark Week shows and we were down and we'd be diving with all the different sharks, I tell you there's all the sharks in the world, and then there's the Great White Shark.

[1738] And it's a different beast altogether.

[1739] It's just like a big truck, a big bus with a mouth on the front end.

[1740] And the thing about the Great Whites, I was in a cage, I had it rammed, it was an 18 -foot Great White came up.

[1741] Oh, my God.

[1742] When you see the other sharks coming, you get that classic sort of shark movie.

[1743] you know side -to -side movement when a great white it just sort of it's just this big feeding tube in the water and it just moves slowly towards you and at the one point I was in a I was in a solo cage and and this 18 -footer we were calling it the megaladon it came and it came slowly slowly slowly up slowly and right towards me and just all he did was like bump my cage like a little bump with his nose but of course that he's 18 feet it was like bam crap you know and throws me back and I was in the cage and I had this much space I had like four inches in front of my face that I could actually that's all the distance I had and so I had a great white mouth like right there four inches in front of your face four inches in front of my face so shooting that shooting the great white scenes for Shark Week was one of the most exhilarating things ever did with it's intense oh my God and all the shark divers out there and they know how beautiful it is to dive with the sharks I've hand -fed most of the species written on the back of most of the species.

[1744] You hand fed a great white?

[1745] I hand fed a great white.

[1746] Jesus Christ, son!

[1747] What the fuck is wrong with you?

[1748] The fuck is wrong with you, man. Have we not learned enough from the crocodile hunter?

[1749] Yeah.

[1750] Well, those are stingrays.

[1751] Well, it's all, I mean, it was a stingray that got him.

[1752] But, I mean, that kind, he really handled everything dangerous.

[1753] Yeah.

[1754] I remember the picture he was feeding a crocodile while I was holding his baby?

[1755] Yeah, that was, he took a lot of heat for that.

[1756] Rightly so, that's crazy.

[1757] You've got a goddamn 20 -foot dinosaur in front of you, and you're also holding a baby.

[1758] I don't like to be around dogs when I'm holding a baby You know You know?

[1759] Yeah, you're like, I don't know that dog Get out of here This guy's got a crocodile And it's his idea It's not just wandering through the woods Oh shit, I was with my baby And I saw a crocodile What to do?

[1760] Luckily, I had a chicken I threw it the crocodile's way and distracted him No, this guy...

[1761] Luckily, I had this chicken Not for that.

[1762] That crikey Sometimes those really big sharks Can't they?

[1763] Well, we had one great weight that they were bringing in so I could film.

[1764] I'm with a cameraman.

[1765] I got a camera trying to film this Great White.

[1766] And it's a big fella.

[1767] And they were bringing it in close to the cage.

[1768] And they do it with a rope and a fish head.

[1769] And they're not supposed to let the Great White get a hold of the fish head because then all hell will break loose because it's got the big thick rope and it's attached to the boat.

[1770] Sure enough, the Great White gets a full bite on the fish head.

[1771] And so we're now in the water, in a cage with a Great White, and it shimmies around, and the Great White gets in between the boat and our cage.

[1772] So we got a 16 -foot, 17 -foot great white shark that is this wide as he's in front of me. I mean, that's a thing, like, you know, the girth of these beasts is incredible.

[1773] And you see when you're under the water, he could pretty much take me in one gulp.

[1774] Like, one gulp, and he could do it.

[1775] That's the amazing thing of a great white shark.

[1776] They're so powerful.

[1777] And so he's in between the cage and the boat, and our cage was held on by two ropes, for goodness sake.

[1778] So we're in the water with a cage held on by two ropes, and the shark is, Bam, crash, bam, crash.

[1779] And if you Google anything, Mio Shark, we could see it.

[1780] I forget which one it was.

[1781] That was one of the times I was really super, super freaked out.

[1782] I was like, look, this is not good.

[1783] You know, because he's going to break the ropes, and we're going to, cage is going to sink to the bottom, and we're going to, like, our ears are going to blow out as we go down and the sharks out there, so we're going to have to hop out of the cage where the Great White is.

[1784] Oh, my God.

[1785] It was insane.

[1786] Oh, how long could you stay down there if the cage went to the bottom?

[1787] You had scuba here on?

[1788] No, I think we were attached by what they call hookah lines.

[1789] Oh, Jesus.

[1790] A line to the boat, so we would have just, it would have snapped.

[1791] We would have to blow out.

[1792] No. Fucking way.

[1793] Oh, my God.

[1794] I'll tell you what happened, too, while we were filming that.

[1795] This wasn't on the show.

[1796] I went down in the solo cage, and they slam the door.

[1797] Like, throw the door down it above me, right?

[1798] And I go down, and they threw the door, and it pinched my air hose.

[1799] So they're lowering me with my air hose pinch, and I'm under, I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, and I'm punching as hard as I can at the top of the cage because it's now clicked right and I'm punching because they're lowering me down I got no air and I get a great white going around dancing all around the boat I'm like finally they pull me up oh man I they open the cage I jumped out just tore a strip huge into the into the guy who did it I just freaked out oh my god so it was just incompetence threw him off the boat into the sharks actually oh Jesus Christ it was but they have you on camera so they saw that you were freaking out.

[1800] No, no, we weren't filming it.

[1801] They were just lowering me down.

[1802] Oh, my God.

[1803] So it wasn't even, oh, hey, look, oh, we're watching the Sharks, isn't it?

[1804] Wow.

[1805] Oh, that's me right there.

[1806] That's when I got bit.

[1807] Right there.

[1808] So you're right there.

[1809] I still got the scar.

[1810] But that's just, that's just really a little reef shark.

[1811] Right.

[1812] They're not bad.

[1813] So then Mark, the cameraman, the shark goes right up his arm.

[1814] Look that.

[1815] Right up into his, got his hand in his mouth.

[1816] Whoa.

[1817] face is the shark that you don't see Oh my God could have ended up seriously Disfigured But thanks to their chain mail suits They're able to preserve both I want that got to narrate my whole life And thanks to the - I want him to narrate everything I do Joe Rogan took a massive dump Before coming to the podcast studio Thanks to kale shakes and protein made with hemp It came out smoothly Frothy loads all over her face In a world In a real Yeah, that guy was so cheesy.

[1818] But that video was awesome, man. What happened to the guy?

[1819] How'd you get the shark off his arm?

[1820] It just pull -out sort of thing.

[1821] Oh, so you're wearing a chain mail?

[1822] Is that what that was?

[1823] Chain mail, yeah.

[1824] Yeah, but that works with the reef sharks.

[1825] It doesn't work with lemon sharks.

[1826] It doesn't work with any of those because they got big teeth.

[1827] It works at the reef sharks because they got small teeth.

[1828] So it's still hurt.

[1829] What the fuck is that, Brian?

[1830] It's like wearing a glove and having a...

[1831] Is that a great white?

[1832] That's a great way.

[1833] That's a great way.

[1834] coast of San Francisco.

[1835] Now, they're a beautiful beast, man. They're a beautiful, beautiful animal.

[1836] You go down and you swim with a great white.

[1837] It changes your life.

[1838] Look at the size of that thing.

[1839] Are you allowed to catch those?

[1840] How's that work?

[1841] I don't know what the rules are.

[1842] You can shark fish.

[1843] I don't know about great whites.

[1844] I don't know what the rules are.

[1845] You've been hearing about all those dolphins getting murdered in a...

[1846] Yeah.

[1847] Is it Mexico or somewhere...

[1848] San Diego or somewhere.

[1849] The dog...

[1850] By men or by people or by...

[1851] Was it a Gulf of Mexico?

[1852] Is that what it was?

[1853] By sharks.

[1854] By people, man. Somebody's been murder rape.

[1855] Massacuring.

[1856] Well, I mean, there's, like, I'm a huge supporter of Rick O 'Brien and his film The Cove, which showed all the, in Tai Chi Japan, where they were slaughtering.

[1857] They still, and they still, they catch the dolphins and use them for marine parks, and they slaughter the ugly ones for food, and they just still corral them as that.

[1858] I also work with Rob Stewart, as a friend of mine, he did the film Sharkwater, and which exposed shark finning.

[1859] I got out and spoke against shark finning and stuff.

[1860] I actually lived with some shark finners when I, I actually lived with some shark finners when I was doing the Beyond Survival series, I lived with the sea gypsies for a while, and they were in their off hours, you know, they used to be, they were shark finners.

[1861] The shark finning doesn't bother me nearly as much as the dolphin thing.

[1862] I mean, it's fucked up that you're just taking an animal, still bad.

[1863] It's fucked up, but sharks are scary as shit.

[1864] I know we need them.

[1865] I know we need them, man. I mean, like, you wouldn't wipe out the wolves either.

[1866] You need them, right?

[1867] I wouldn't wipe out the wolves unless I lived around them.

[1868] Then I would go jacking them.

[1869] Have you ever had a wolf incident?

[1870] uh no they just started started to scare me over the last couple of years i've been scared of basically all animals my entire life and through streaks so i'm taking you i'm taking you out when i do survivor man bigfoot man yes dude i will fucking gladly go with you and look for big foot i will put you on the other cliff you can sit over there on that rock what do we get to bring tents at least yeah we'll take stuff okay i don't yeah i don't mind the idea of uh going out in the woods and looking for Bigfoot if you're if you really believe that there's a spot where there might be something and it takes less than two weeks yeah that's what exactly what I'm doing okay Z you just had that moment of like shit what did I just thinking about how long it would take and how much time I could take off work and stuff you know we could choose we get you to show yeah now where would you go if you had your choice you would go to northern California no the big thing is BC Canada BC Canada go where you saw it already you know Which is Alaska.

[1871] That's Alaska, but I think that'd be, I don't know, I should go back there, actually.

[1872] Do you think there's areas where there's more of them, and what would you base out?

[1873] I think so.

[1874] Other people who study them.

[1875] They're all crazy.

[1876] There's some whack jobs out there for sure.

[1877] Not all of them, but most of them.

[1878] Not all of them.

[1879] Well, it's, and by the way, I'm an enthusiast.

[1880] You know, when I say that they're all crazy, I'm crazy too.

[1881] I just, I'm not based my whole life on it.

[1882] But, like, when I watch that finding Bigfoot, they're like, I've been hunting Sasquatch for 25 years.

[1883] Like, okay, that's, that's fucked up, dude.

[1884] You don't even have a video, you've been 100 for 25, you need to get out of the house.

[1885] But you got your own TV show.

[1886] Yeah, that's ridiculous.

[1887] You definitely need to take a different method, that method of going out for one night without camera crew.

[1888] I think the Survivor Man method will work when it comes to doing it.

[1889] It's just not a lot of guys that would be willing to do what you do, you know, and live like that.

[1890] We'll see.

[1891] Of course, if it like it happened, it was real, that'd be, uh, it'd be.

[1892] life -changing.

[1893] Yeah, if you actually did find a Sasquatch, you would be It would change a lot.

[1894] Yeah.

[1895] People'd freak out.

[1896] You would go on a tour like the fucking Buffalo Bill in the Wild West Days.

[1897] Like the guy who shot Jesse James?

[1898] Yeah, something like that.

[1899] Now, if you did, though...

[1900] That was Beneflex brother.

[1901] Would you...

[1902] If you did find it, like, what would you want to get?

[1903] Would you want to get a video, a photograph?

[1904] You wouldn't never shoot one.

[1905] No, I suppose if it was me, I'd like to get a very crisp and clear obvious video.

[1906] But would people believe that?

[1907] You'd have to trank one.

[1908] You know what?

[1909] When it came to the skunk ape, they didn't believe about the skunk ape.

[1910] I think it's the Philippines or Vietnam.

[1911] They didn't believe, they didn't believe oh, no, it's a massive ape.

[1912] And then a couple of years ago, they got actual video.

[1913] And all it is is video footage.

[1914] And now it was like, there it is.

[1915] There it is.

[1916] You know, it's called a skunk ape.

[1917] It's a really big chimpanzee.

[1918] Yeah, you can Google it.

[1919] I can't remember where it was.

[1920] But it's the same situation.

[1921] Nobody believed that it existed.

[1922] It was considered to be a myth, a legend, this gigantic uh chimp and then there it was huh a skunk ape i thought that's like a nickname for bigfoot yeah it is apparently it might it might be as well but this was to do with a particular chimpanzee huh that's hmm yeah i think the um there's a nickname unfortunately a skunk ape and then the skunk ape a mythical animal from Florida.

[1923] No, this was, I think, like, Vietnam, maybe?

[1924] Maybe Philippines.

[1925] Maybe I'll, okay, I'm trying to find it.

[1926] Yeah, because that looks like Bigfoot stuff you've got going on there.

[1927] Yeah, that's what all this stuff is.

[1928] When you look up Skunk Eve, because I remember when I was really into Bigfoot, I remember that was like one of the nicknames they called it, the Florida Skunk ape.

[1929] Hmm.

[1930] And this thing, They didn't think it was real until recently.

[1931] They didn't think it was real.

[1932] The silicon fish as well.

[1933] I mean, they thought it was extinct for something like 500 million years.

[1934] And then they found a school of them off the coast of Philippines and New Jersey.

[1935] You know, it's big, huge fish, you know.

[1936] Or the giant squid.

[1937] And then a couple of years ago, Japanese trawler brings up a squid that's big enough to eat and kill a whale.

[1938] Did you ever see that video that they got on one of the oil rigs?

[1939] It's an under really deep, deep water video of this squid that looks like...

[1940] Brian, how dare you?

[1941] the squid looks like a crab.

[1942] It's the weirdest thing ever.

[1943] It's a squid with like crab -like appendages.

[1944] Pull it up, Brian, because if...

[1945] And you think it's real or just...

[1946] Oh, it's 100 % real.

[1947] It's just a weird type of squid that we didn't know about.

[1948] Well, they still think, I mean, so much of the ocean is not discovered in terms of species.

[1949] Yeah, they said...

[1950] What are they called squid crabs?

[1951] Crab like squid?

[1952] How about that?

[1953] Crab like squid.

[1954] Here, while you're doing that...

[1955] Why don't we sit up and do another tip?

[1956] Dude, let's do it.

[1957] Fuck, yeah.

[1958] What is this one that'd be like?

[1959] This is my, uh, since we're talking about conservation and animals.

[1960] I think I'll sit right here, uh, Danny.

[1961] You guys sit right there?

[1962] Yeah, I think I'll sit right here.

[1963] Yeah, I can do it.

[1964] Okay, here it is.

[1965] You got to get this set up like a recording studio.

[1966] We've never, we, you know, it's very rare that we have bad motherfuckers like you actually have musical talent.

[1967] This is the thing.

[1968] You could see it right here.

[1969] Is he it on my laptop?

[1970] Look at this.

[1971] Less.

[1972] I'm watching, I'm watching.

[1973] Oh, you can't see it?

[1974] It's right here.

[1975] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1976] Look at it.

[1977] It looks like an alien.

[1978] I mean, is that the freakest thing you've ever seen?

[1979] That's a real thing.

[1980] Yeah, it's a real animal.

[1981] It's just an undiscovered squid.

[1982] You know, that's the thing about everybody having a camera these days.

[1983] We're going to start seeing some pretty cool stuff.

[1984] Yeah, courtesy of the Shell Oil Company.

[1985] Thank you, Shell.

[1986] You're doing God's work.

[1987] Hopefully Bobo will get some cameras with it.

[1988] Yeah, I think Bobo.

[1989] needs to be proven correct it would help him and what is this song sir all right well so this is uh sorry man i actually got to use some cheat sheets here because i haven't really played the song live very much but it's a it's a new song on a new cd i recorded and um i played it recently in ottawa we did sort of full band and we kind of rocked it out and it really got a great reaction um but a lot of i'd say like a lot of the material i'm doing doing, you know, I mean, it gets to starting to be called earth music.

[1990] It's because, you know, I come by it honestly.

[1991] I mean, I've survived in jungles and deserts and forests and the bigfoot thing going on and connecting to the earth.

[1992] So a lot of what I write about is that.

[1993] Earth music.

[1994] Earth music.

[1995] You feel like it's inspired.

[1996] I mean, I write love songs too.

[1997] Right.

[1998] But.

[1999] But you're inspired by your experiences.

[2000] Yeah, absolutely.

[2001] In the wild.

[2002] That's it.

[2003] Powerful life music.

[2004] All right.

[2005] Let's do this.

[2006] And this is a song called One Giant Farm.

[2007] Okay.

[2008] And normally we got there.

[2009] Let's see if we can work this out here.

[2010] We do the intro twice, too?

[2011] Sure.

[2012] All right, Danny.

[2013] The dolphins, kill the whales.

[2014] Blood stains drip from your sails.

[2015] Farm the forests, farm the seas.

[2016] Long line and strip mine with ease.

[2017] Corporate farming.

[2018] Corporate mine.

[2019] Will nothing be left behind?

[2020] Is smaller now.

[2021] Don't ignore the bitter truth.

[2022] The earth is not one giant farm.

[2023] Where now?

[2024] Can I roam?

[2025] I roam.

[2026] Tell me where now is my home?

[2027] My wilderness home.

[2028] Pollution.

[2029] Children today won't be fooled.

[2030] Smaller now.

[2031] Don't ignore the bitter truth My wilderness song Tells to fill up your sails Love for forests Love for trees I love mother earth Won't you please Stronger now You're a fucking serious musician Thank you man This has got to be Is this on?

[2032] Yeah This has got to be Is it on now it's on like such a cool thing for you to be able to do these gigs and you don't have to do it as an unrecognized musician.

[2033] You could do it as a guy that people already love.

[2034] They already love you from Survivor Man. Then they tune into it and you get to get that wave of people that appreciate it from that.

[2035] Yeah, but you know what, Joe, that's the toughest part.

[2036] Is, you know, people think, you know, here's, well, Survivor Man's coming into town to the local hall.

[2037] Oh, is he going to tell stories?

[2038] is he a keynote speaker and trying to get people to understand, no, I'm going to knock yourself off with some kick -ass music, and I'm going to blow your minds with my monica, and I'm going to tell some stories from Survivor Man, intimate Q &A.

[2039] Oh, you do that too?

[2040] I do it too, man. I'll break it down.

[2041] I'll go in between a song.

[2042] I'll go, anybody got any questions?

[2043] And they're like, you know, what's the craziest place you ever survive, man?

[2044] Or, you know what that show went?

[2045] And I'll get right down.

[2046] And then it's like, you want me to rock and roll a bit more?

[2047] Like, yeah, then we start up again.

[2048] Okay, now I think we need a reality show about you.

[2049] We need to follow you around.

[2050] doing all that as well as a survivor shit how come we don't have that well let's let's make that happen yeah we're gonna have to do surviving reality with less stroud yeah you go and and do shows as well yeah that mean why you can do something like that why don't you have like one episode where you do a kick -ass show and then you have to go live in the woods for the weekend like that's what it's like that's what it's like i mean i did i did a concert and then we went down to mexico mexico to film survivor man 10 days it was just like wow Wow, this is just weird.

[2051] Where did you go to Mexico?

[2052] What part of Mexico?

[2053] I went to Tiburone Island.

[2054] It's also called Shark Island, actually, because the hammer hits it come in.

[2055] That was for the Shark episode?

[2056] No, that was for Survivor Man 10 days.

[2057] Last episode I shot.

[2058] Now, when you go to Mexico, like, how dangerous is it for a bunch of gringoes with cameras traveled around Mexico?

[2059] It's no problem at all.

[2060] I mean, if you're hanging on the border towns, it's a problem.

[2061] But, you know, we just went right down, right to where we had to get to, and everybody was very friendly, very nice.

[2062] There was no issues whatsoever.

[2063] So everybody who's worried about, like, the violence in Mexico.

[2064] they should just chill.

[2065] It's overblown, man. And you know what happens when the media gets a hold of stuff and they make it sound like it's so crazy and insane.

[2066] It's like, well, you know, people are getting killed other places too.

[2067] You know, it's just, it's where we went was just fine, man. It rocked.

[2068] It was great.

[2069] I love Mexico.

[2070] It's funny how people talk about like third world countries and places that are devastated by poverty and they, you know, they talk about it like it's some distant faraway land.

[2071] And then you tell them that in Detroit, 47 % of the people can't read.

[2072] Yeah.

[2073] In Detroit.

[2074] That's not the middle of nowhere.

[2075] That's not a third world country.

[2076] In Detroit, 47 % illiteracy rate.

[2077] And you go, whoa.

[2078] This is not well managed.

[2079] There's a lot of nuttiness going on in this system.

[2080] I think if my eyes really got open from all my travel.

[2081] I think people should travel and they should see what else is going on out in that world.

[2082] Because, well, you go hang out in Sri Lanka for a while and see what it's like.

[2083] It's a different world, man. Fuck, yeah, it is.

[2084] On the other hand, you could also.

[2085] watch Brittany Spears in Sri Lanka.

[2086] So it's, you know, it's messed up.

[2087] You know, I remember being in Thailand and going down and just doing this thing.

[2088] And there's Brian Adams coming across the speakers.

[2089] And I'm like, wow, really?

[2090] I thought it was in Thailand.

[2091] Well, I am in Thailand.

[2092] Thailand is the last refuge for the scumbag in this country, in this world, rather.

[2093] There's like one place where it's like, okay to be a scumbag.

[2094] And all the scumbags get together and they just have found a place where it's...

[2095] And they party every full moon.

[2096] Fuck, yeah.

[2097] They party every day.

[2098] I have a bunch of friends that have gone to Thailand to train because there's a lot of camps.

[2099] They'll have multi camps.

[2100] They'll take guys in and they said it's an amazing experience.

[2101] I was in Thailand doing some stuff there and just touristing and then I was running every day and every day I ran.

[2102] I actually went up and ran but to the Muay training camp and it's like oh, there was a bunch of Canadians there.

[2103] It's like, dude, survive.

[2104] I'm like, oh, no, really here?

[2105] I hear it coming across the rooms.

[2106] Like a couple of dudes were there.

[2107] They all got the tattoos now because it was, you know, the thing down there that in that style of it.

[2108] Yep, they're Survivor Man fans in Thailand at a Muay training camp.

[2109] Is that style of tattoo that they do similar?

[2110] Because they do a tap tap, tap, too, right?

[2111] It's fine, sharp, sterile needles and things like that.

[2112] And where I did in Indonesia, it was like a rusty nail.

[2113] Really?

[2114] Yeah, it was nasty.

[2115] Did you get infected?

[2116] No, but I don't know if I did, really.

[2117] I guess I didn't.

[2118] For a while I did.

[2119] I went down and they rub it off in the streams.

[2120] That hurts.

[2121] They're rubbing grass and stuff all over it and leaves and things in the water, right after they've done it.

[2122] What is the worst, like, infection or disease or anything that you ever caught while you were out?

[2123] Was there ever...

[2124] Yeah, a few, lots.

[2125] But it's always the stomach stuff.

[2126] From eating something fucked up.

[2127] I had one time, some parasite, and I remember it would leave these long, snake -like lesions all the way around the roof of my mouth and my tongue would be a massive white.

[2128] I had to eat with a straw.

[2129] And I went in, I checked all doctors and dentists.

[2130] And finally I go to this doctor.

[2131] He's a third world disease specialist named Dr. Keystone in Toronto.

[2132] A real cool guy, a great doctor.

[2133] And I go in and I open my mouth and he looks, he comes on.

[2134] He looks at my mouth and he's looking in it and he's squint in his eyes.

[2135] He goes, I have never seen anything like that before.

[2136] I'm like, oh, that's just great.

[2137] That's a scene in a movie, man. Oh, man. You know, of all people, this guy's the number one third world disease.

[2138] And it's like, you don't know what this is.

[2139] I'm screwed.

[2140] You know.

[2141] Oh, fuck.

[2142] What was it?

[2143] That was like a year long.

[2144] I was painful.

[2145] A year long it lasted?

[2146] Yeah, well, until I got to him and sort of got the pill.

[2147] And then he gave me some big horse pills and that finally took care of.

[2148] Every once in a while, though, I feel stuff in my mouth and I think, huh, I wonder if it's still in there somewhere.

[2149] Dormant stages.

[2150] Yeah, because every once in a while I feel things that are not, that are like that, you know.

[2151] Jesus Christ.

[2152] I took, I should put this on my Facebook sometime.

[2153] I actually took a photograph of my tongue and that when it was like that.

[2154] Oh, put it up, man. It was nasty.

[2155] Please, put it up on Twitter.

[2156] Because I had to send it to the doctors.

[2157] Here, here, it's bad today.

[2158] Here, click, look, and then I shoot it to him, you know?

[2159] Oh, my God.

[2160] Because it would change.

[2161] And you know what?

[2162] You know, I talked about the snake -like lesions in the roof of my mouth?

[2163] That would happen overnight.

[2164] So imagine that.

[2165] It's like you go to bed.

[2166] Ruth's fine.

[2167] You wake up and it's like a snake or a worm has been dancing around the roof of your mouth all night.

[2168] Is that what was happening?

[2169] Was it like moving across your mouth?

[2170] I still don't know.

[2171] It was just nasty.

[2172] So that was, yeah.

[2173] What were the pills?

[2174] What were the pills?

[2175] I don't know.

[2176] They were just big.

[2177] You don't know what it was?

[2178] I didn't ask, man. They were huge.

[2179] Oh, God.

[2180] So getting parasites in my digestive tract and that's stuff that, you know, worries me even now, you know, to this day.

[2181] I always get traveler's belly, too, if I go somewhere.

[2182] Now because of this, I like, oh, here we go.

[2183] One time I was in Sri Lanka, and I was on the bathroom floor in the fetal position, you know, coming out both ends and the most pain I've ever felt.

[2184] I've broken lots of bones, but that was the most pain I ever felt.

[2185] Wow.

[2186] And it was just parasite, you know, just digestive parasite stuff.

[2187] Yeah, it's so...

[2188] That's the stuff nobody sees when I'm out there being Survivor Man, you know, and you don't see that stuff.

[2189] What does that show the enemy within or something like that?

[2190] There's a show about parasites.

[2191] It's all about people that don't know what's wrong with them.

[2192] They find out that they have a fucking mass of parasites.

[2193] They've grown a nest in their brain.

[2194] If they start doing wacky shit and seeing things, hearing things and they finally go into a doctor and that remember that time you went swimming to that lake in Africa yeah yeah yeah you want to hear a scary stat yeah this is a true scat true stat there's more uh cells on us that are not our own that are ours yeah yeah so if you add up all the parasites and all the things walking on our skin and all the little critters there's more cells making up all of those critters that are inside and out of us than we have that actual own body.

[2195] That's insane.

[2196] I was joking.

[2197] I was thinking one time, I was, my theory is that every once in a while you'd be like, oh, and you got to like scratch your head or something like, scratch your arm.

[2198] Like for what?

[2199] My theory is that, well, that's one of those little critters like, he'd like bit you or something, you know, that's exactly what it is because you're crawling with stuff, man. Yeah, you really.

[2200] We're just, if you, you know, go microscopic, we are, we're oozing.

[2201] We really are like an ecosystem.

[2202] Totally.

[2203] And that's one of the things that people don't understand.

[2204] Like one of the, I always talk about the benefits of probiotics.

[2205] I'm like, you've got to keep healthy bacteria in your body.

[2206] Acidophilus.

[2207] For grapplers, it's really important.

[2208] Acidophilus is very important because it fights off ringworm.

[2209] Yeah.

[2210] Because it's a very aggressive bacteria, acidophilus is.

[2211] And as is the kombucha.

[2212] kombucha is really good for that as well.

[2213] It keeps you from getting ringworm.

[2214] But nobody really thinks about the idea that you have, like, this whole ecosystem going on in your body that you have to support.

[2215] Like, you can't just eat Twinkies.

[2216] You've got to support this ecosystem.

[2217] I'm a huge, I'm a huge believer in fasting and cleansing.

[2218] I think, you know, the idea is this is, you know, as long as you're eating that pizza or that awesome falafel I had at your Pita Pita Pita place around the corner.

[2219] The place is good, right?

[2220] That's awesome, man. That's some of the best hummus ever.

[2221] It's great falaf.

[2222] So if you're, as long as you're eating, your stomach is like working its ass off.

[2223] And when you cleanse, it's just like, your stomach just goes, oh, thanks, man. Right.

[2224] Thanks, dude.

[2225] I need it.

[2226] And they just, it just gives your stomach a break.

[2227] and I'm a big believer in going in the mornings when I'm doing well I'll go in the mornings I won't eat for a while until I get the stomach growls and that's a good thing you want the stomach to growl because when you get to that stage it's now working on itself it's like okay you gave me a break this morning you didn't shove bacon and eggs down there so I'll tell you what how about I work on some stuff that's been sitting over here in a corner for a while and it's your system you know so cleansing and fasting just revitalizes your body and when I when I would do a there was one so many programs right one of the ones I liked was called eating alive Dr. Mattson out of Vancouver.

[2228] And I'll tell you, by day six of this eating to cleanse, I felt like a prize fighter.

[2229] I was just like, man, just walking around the house, you know, wanting to hit it on the bags because it's like, man, I feel good.

[2230] And all because I stopped, you know, shocking my stomach and pushing the hell out of my stomach with pizza and crap, you know?

[2231] Yeah, well, there's a lot of stuff that people eat that your body's really just not designed to process.

[2232] And that's the whole idea behind the paleo diet is that grains and especially like the modern grains, we're just really not supposed to be like eating giant pieces of bread.

[2233] No, but it tastes so good.

[2234] That's pretty good.

[2235] Spaghetti is so delicious.

[2236] I mean, you know, fried cheese tastes great.

[2237] Yeah, ricotta.

[2238] You know what I crave when I'm out there?

[2239] What?

[2240] Fried cheese pizza.

[2241] Fried cheese pizza.

[2242] I think it's because I just, my fat reserves start to diminish and I think I want fat.

[2243] So I start thinking about pizza and I think about, that just my mouth starts drooling on day four thinking about that.

[2244] That's interesting.

[2245] So when your fat starts getting diminished, your body starts craving fatty things?

[2246] I think, me in my case anyway.

[2247] That's my theory is to why.

[2248] Why I crave pizza on day four.

[2249] Well, when I work out, I crave meat.

[2250] Like, whenever I lift weights, I just, I crave, like, really like, oh, I can't wait to have a steak.

[2251] Yeah.

[2252] It's like your body knows, like, look, we got to, we got to, we got to, I'll tell you what to eat.

[2253] It's that protein build.

[2254] Yeah, we need to get that, get that stuff.

[2255] You break it down your tissue.

[2256] We need something to build it up quick.

[2257] Yeah.

[2258] Yeah.

[2259] What is the, like, if you had to pick one place where you would never go back and try to survive again, where would it be?

[2260] You know, I think, I really love the desert, but it's my least of places to be.

[2261] Because it's most inhospitable.

[2262] It's just dry, man, it's just dry and kind of, I don't know, I always remember feeling so uncomfortable and sand in every crinkle of your body, you know, and whereas the forest or the jungle, even though it's raining all the time, you know, you just walk around with nothing on.

[2263] It just felt great, but cold is harder, but I just find being in the deserts, they're beautiful, though.

[2264] Like, I don't want people, oh, why come you don't like that?

[2265] I love the deserts.

[2266] They're gorgeous, they're beautiful.

[2267] It's just something about when you're surviving and you're sleeping on the sand and you're sleeping outside all the time, you get sand and everything, man. Were you aware of the mixed martial arts fighter, Evan Tanner?

[2268] No. Really a fascinating guy, very, very interesting guy.

[2269] It was a really tough guy, too, as well.

[2270] and he decided to go on some vision quest and he went out into the desert and apparently he lost his water or something got disoriented he wound up dying out there just you don't realize like how easy it is even for a tough guy like that get then if you don't know what you're doing you fuck up your life your life hangs on the balance of water really it's all about water i mean i'll go i'll do the whole 10 -day survivor man with just water if there's lots of water to drink i'll be fine i get over it really it's food is not an issue you know water is it what about you what are your energy levels like well you totally drop yeah oh i'll shoot a scene i'll call it that way i shoot a scene i'll do the fireboat and then i'll have to sit down and i think i'm sitting down for like two minutes and it's like no it's 20 or longer and i'm just sitting because you become so lethargic so that's the problem without food the problem without food is you become lethargic you lose your energy and it's hard to get up and do stuff the problem with water is that you may last 10 days without water but after three you're a basket case and you're just think of the migraines that come through you get those intense migraines from lack of water and stuff so the last seven days of your life on the planet if you're going without water and you're dying from dehydration are horrible and that's why people in life rafts end up drinking the ocean water making themselves crazy you know and they'll literally say I'm going to go to the store and they'll walk off the raft you know It's intense, you know, that's, water's everything.

[2271] So when I do my Survivor Man shows and everything to do with survival, to me, the very first question is, where's my fresh water coming from?

[2272] The ultimate mind fuck is to be dying of thirst in the middle of an ocean.

[2273] It's crazy.

[2274] It's, it is crazy.

[2275] It's, you know, Alain Babard proved that you could ingest some scientifically in very specific ways, but, but, you know, if you don't have fresh water coming in, forget it.

[2276] The last show I did was in Mexico and I was on the ocean's edge, and I had to go way in.

[2277] land to find water.

[2278] How much water can you drink out of the ocean?

[2279] Well, you can't, really, is the proper answer, is you can't.

[2280] You could take a shot of water out of the ocean every day if you're drinking fresh water as well.

[2281] Then you're actually getting some salts and stuff and minerals.

[2282] But if you have no fresh water, you just, you can't.

[2283] You're going to make yourself, you're going to poison yourself.

[2284] How crazy is that most of the fucking water has salt in it?

[2285] Yeah, I know.

[2286] Like, that's most of it.

[2287] Yeah.

[2288] These giant bodies, it's all salt.

[2289] Yeah.

[2290] Yeah, but also the amount of fresh water that exists like under the surface of North America and Russia in tents, you know.

[2291] Last question.

[2292] Do you believe in those divining rods where dudes find water with those things?

[2293] I've used them.

[2294] Did they work?

[2295] I got to say it did shit that I wasn't doing.

[2296] And they were in my hands.

[2297] Really?

[2298] I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[2299] It's like one of those weird moments like, oh crap, oh crap.

[2300] And I was doing it.

[2301] And sure enough, and then we dig and we found water.

[2302] Does it have to be a very light stick?

[2303] Yeah, these are copper rods.

[2304] You know what?

[2305] It goes back to when we first started talking.

[2306] I think it's really about energy, right?

[2307] You know, you connect in an energetic sense, right?

[2308] To everybody, I think that's what, if you want to bring someone, you know, if someone, if you brought someone into your life, it's because for some reason, your energy.

[2309] Right, right, right, right.

[2310] And I think it's just a, that's just a small manifestation of energy skill set.

[2311] You know, just, you know, the energy through you and these wires like this.

[2312] Remember the story I said about doing a, man surveying and I'm like hundreds of yards away from but on all I've got a tripod on the ground I'm looking through a transit and I feel electrical shocks coming off the transit that's practical energy we've set up on man -made lines but the world the earth you know the world has all this energy and I think the those divining rise I think that's all you people are tapping into so is it like basically there's water water water water sorry there's some sort of a signal that we just haven't been able to figure out how to detect yet that certain aspects of nature are giving off like like underwater water or underground water I think I think I think that, again, I'm being ridiculously vague, but I think that we simply have flowing energy.

[2313] I think energy can be stored like in rocks and so on, but the earth is a whole matter of flowing energy.

[2314] Water is like the physical manifestation of that energy.

[2315] You can see it because water moves and it flows and it's stuff and it's like more vibrant energy all the time.

[2316] So I think when you get into metaphysical stuff, you have individuals, human beings who can connect into this or that.

[2317] I can't explain it.

[2318] Who can explain it, right?

[2319] All we know is that weird shit happens.

[2320] And stuff happens that is really difficult to explain whether you're fully entrenched in the Bible or the Quran or atheism or whatever it is.

[2321] Whatever dogma or non -dogma, the reality is it's pretty damn hard to explain some shit that goes on.

[2322] And my personal explanation is just that there's, you know, God's spirit, energy itself, the universe.

[2323] It's just, you know, it's all connecting that way.

[2324] I mean, I live my life as Survivor Man by being really super grateful for what I've got.

[2325] You know, I'm grateful for abundance.

[2326] I'm grateful for my kids for health.

[2327] And the more I'm grateful, the more I get it.

[2328] The more it comes back to me all the time.

[2329] I always say thank you about, you know, like I told you when I start off Survivor Man, I would be thankful in the morning or help me to do this, you know.

[2330] And call that a meditation, call it a prayer call it whatever you want.

[2331] In my case, it's a matter of being grateful for what's going on.

[2332] And I know that it works, that when you are grateful for being Joe Rogan and have your show and doing the things you do, guess what?

[2333] You get more of that.

[2334] You get more Joe Rogan, more of your show, more of the things that you do, because you show in the universe I'm grateful I am who I am.

[2335] I'm grateful I'm Lesterot.

[2336] I'm grateful that I was Survivor Man and still am.

[2337] And I'm just getting started, man. It sounds so hippie, but I totally agree with you.

[2338] Of course it sounds hippie, but so what?

[2339] At some point you just got to go with it.

[2340] Just go hippie, man. Well, listen, man, thank you very much.

[2341] It's been an awesome podcast.

[2342] And if people want to hear your music.

[2343] What's the best way to download it or buy it?

[2344] They can go to less shroud .ca, right?

[2345] You got the iTunes.

[2346] The new album.

[2347] That's C .A. folks.

[2348] Remember, he's a Canadian.

[2349] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2350] That's because some dude named Lesraud in the States took Lesraud .com.

[2351] Son of a bitch.

[2352] Son of a bitch.

[2353] So, lestrade .orgia, you can get all my stuff there.

[2354] And, you know what?

[2355] I thought about coming on, I thought, you know, if the parents that are out there, you know, I know there's a lot of scouts, a lot of young people that love my stuff and i know i got a little potty mouth while i was hanging out with joe rogan it's gonna happen when you're here but the reality is i think that you know the fact that i've got fans from like six to 60 has been blowing me away and uh and now i get a chance to do the music so dude you need a podcast you need a less drought podcast i was thinking about it while you're in the you know in the woods yeah yeah yeah that's a great idea i mean think about all the time you have while you're there and on today's show bigfoot dude you should totally do a podcast that would be like you just musing about life by yourself in a fucking tent and like do it that way you don't have to edit it for a television show you can do like an hour of it too a background sound of just the atmosphere that you're in would sound so like a relaxing podcast yeah it's a great i haven't i won't say i haven't thought of it our friend bill burr does his podcast totally by himself and our guest tomorrow gregg proops i guess apparently he does his podcast by himself too comedian yeah he's funny yeah he's very fun i was addicted to whose line is it anyway addicted that was my stress relief when i was editing Survivor Man. So you could do that, man. You could be out in the tent, making a fucking podcast.

[2356] I kind of do, if you think about it.

[2357] Yeah.

[2358] You kind of do, you just don't release all of it.

[2359] No. Yeah.

[2360] So just do it straight up.

[2361] Yeah, just decide like, do, do, do, do, do a little fucking opening.

[2362] This is the last trial podcast, you know, and you just talk about where you are.

[2363] Would that be my opening?

[2364] No, I think you'd probably be too better than I could just.

[2365] Okay.

[2366] Play a song.

[2367] Play harmonica song every opening.

[2368] Yeah.

[2369] You could definitely do that.

[2370] Yeah, that could be it.

[2371] And today.

[2372] You want to lead us out with that?

[2373] All right, Joe.

[2374] Ladies and gentlemen, Les Stroud, you can get him on Twitter.

[2375] Real Les Stroud on Twitter.

[2376] You can get him online, Les Stroud