15 - Definitely Not Episode 16

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[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

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[15] Goodbye.

[16] We're recording.

[17] We're recording.

[18] Yep.

[19] A podcast?

[20] What episode of my favorite murder?

[21] is this?

[22] This one's episode 15.

[23] One, a one and a five.

[24] That comes after the number 14.

[25] That's right.

[26] By the way, congratulations on picking that amazing.

[27] Oh, God, thank you.

[28] I feel like the Spirit of Prince was with me when I wrote that.

[29] You sexy mother, 14.

[30] It was perfect.

[31] I wanted it to be an homage to the man that we lost.

[32] And yet at the same time still serve no purpose for what we're trying to get done, which is let people know what we're talking about on our podcast.

[33] Well, they really have no way of knowing.

[34] And so they have to listen.

[35] It's a mystery wrapped in an enigma called My Favorite Murder.

[36] Welcome, everybody.

[37] That's Georgia Hardstock.

[38] That's Karen Kilgariff.

[39] This is episode 15, which we didn't realize until five minutes ago.

[40] We thought it was episode 16 this whole time, which is why, how did we both do that?

[41] Which is why this episode's theme is murders that happened 16 years ago.

[42] Even though it's episode 15.

[43] Now makes no sense.

[44] Except I mean I guess we could have just done millennial murders and said that we meant to do it And it was because we wanted murders that were in 2000 But we're not going to pretend that we're smarter than we are Let's not try to cover any of our flaws or blemishes This is what makes us us Yeah this is we're human beings We have no support We don't even have one person that could go Hey guys nice conversation about the 16th episode Why don't you save that for next week This is the 15th episode Like we've said from the very beginning, we're not experts on anything.

[45] Except for our own feelings.

[46] Right.

[47] We are, yeah, we are amateur sleuths with numbers and murders.

[48] Yep.

[49] That have stumbled into a conversational podcast about the thing we love the most.

[50] Death.

[51] Death.

[52] Do you think your anxiety of a true crime is, like, subsided a little since this podcast started?

[53] You know what's funny, Georgia?

[54] Heart's dark.

[55] Tell me, guys.

[56] I don't have that much anxiety about true crime.

[57] You have the, when you talk about it, it's like, it seems to me to be like a thing that releases your anxiety, which I relate to.

[58] But I more have a morbid fascination that borders on.

[59] I think I might want to do this.

[60] Like that's the dance that I'm dancing.

[61] Kind of, a little bit.

[62] I mean, not genuinely, but in that way of like, this is an option.

[63] That's concerning to me, sitting in a room alone with you.

[64] Just in that way of like, I feel like that's the genuine truth that I should state.

[65] I get it.

[66] It's like that thing of like, I could steer my car off this road right now over a bridge.

[67] Exactly.

[68] Or have you ever heard that thing where it's a very real thing?

[69] Pilots cannot look at the ground when they're flying airplanes or they'll fly the airplane into the ground.

[70] Yeah.

[71] It's called, I'm making this up completely right now.

[72] It's called something like ground hypnosis.

[73] The word hypnosis is in it.

[74] That sounds right.

[75] But it's basically the thing of like if you look at it, you'll do it because your brain knows it's not supposed to.

[76] Right.

[77] Like jumping off if you're on a tall building, you have to like not stand near the ledge because you might just fucking throw yourself over the ledge.

[78] You know, there was an amazing conversation that you got into on the Facebook page.

[79] This is all unwanted thoughts or dangerous thoughts.

[80] That was great.

[81] I loved that conversation.

[82] It was so fucking cool.

[83] And as I was reading it, you know, I don't.

[84] I don't, I wouldn't say I suffer from that as a real disorder, like something that really I have to deal with every day.

[85] But I also kept thinking as I was reading it, I feel like that's a very human thing to have.

[86] I understand that the people that were talking about are talking about it's problematic and it's interrupting their lives.

[87] The unwanted thoughts of killing, that they might accidentally kill someone.

[88] Or all those things.

[89] It was like jumping off a jumping off of something or but I had it really bad I know that it's a side effect of having anxiety because when I got very convinced when my niece was like three or four that she was going to die and I was I got very obsessive about it my sister would be like oh I dropped her off at I leans to go swimming and I'd be like she's gonna fucking there's I was like I would get really upset and be like why aren't you staying there and she's like what's wrong with you and I finally had to tell I felt so crazy and I finally had to tell my sister like I'm just convinced that she's going to diet.

[90] My sister goes, oh, yeah, so am I every day.

[91] That's part of it.

[92] And then I just went, oh, like, oh, oh, that's just the fear of, like, I have that every day with someone, with anyone.

[93] Yeah.

[94] Like, with Vince, I'm just, like, mentally preparing myself for something happening, and it's, like, just terrible and not fun.

[95] But I think that's a, I guess my only point is, I think it's a very human thing to put yourself through.

[96] Yeah.

[97] And I know it's, it's just an anxiety issue, too.

[98] and I'm aware of it so it doesn't like take over my life.

[99] But I love the fact that that Facebook page can actually be a place where people get to talk about stuff like that.

[100] Totally.

[101] And find other people to go, I'm totally with you.

[102] Yeah.

[103] It's awesome.

[104] Yeah, I get that.

[105] I like that a lot.

[106] Totally.

[107] And while we're on the topic, we'll just say this.

[108] Speaking officially for this podcast, we only want to use our Facebook page to talk positively about what we like or what we are scared of.

[109] or what we're going through, we do not endorse anybody talking shit on other podcasts on our Facebook page.

[110] It's gotten a little weird where it's become a topic in and of itself.

[111] And the bottom line is we have no interest in talking shit on other podcasts at all.

[112] So please don't do it.

[113] We only mention the podcast we like because, guys, there's room for everyone.

[114] Yeah.

[115] And if you don't fucking like it, don't listen to it.

[116] Don't listen to it.

[117] But certainly don't bring it over to our Facebook page to talk about because it's not it's not something we want to endorse or even be a part of um do you think that people who aren't on the facebook page are sick of hearing about the wonderful beautiful awesome facebook page i'm positive they are it's like being like the girl at my school said yeah that's basically what it is i can't wait till we're selling the t -shirts it's so soon oh that's right georgia has really hustled it up and she's gotten some t -shirt designs ready and i think how soon you just in the next week.

[118] So it's going to be a pre -order.

[119] Yes.

[120] And then they'll get sent out in like two weeks.

[121] So the pre -order will be open.

[122] Then it'll be closed.

[123] Then it'll be open again.

[124] Then, you know what happens after things closed?

[125] They open again.

[126] Always.

[127] That's a cycle of life.

[128] And that's the official, my favorite murder t -shirt that we're going to have for you.

[129] First one.

[130] Very exciting.

[131] Yep.

[132] So, hey, what happened 16 years ago?

[133] And how does that relate to our 15th episode?

[134] millennial murders millennial Y2K Y2 what Y2 murder now I'm thinking would I've had better luck if I had looked through 1999 murders because 2000 was like when I was trying to go through all of the stuff that happened that whole year it was hard and also it's like it's weird the news the news that came up I did find a really good mass murder from a death cult but it was in Uganda it was the something along the lines of like the Holy Order of the Live by the Ten Commandments of God cult and like over 250 people died and it was basically kind of their modern version of the Jim Jones yeah Jonestown and I've been looking at photos from that a lot lately from Jonestown yeah why are they all found face down they're all face down facing towards I think someone posed them after they died you do yeah so everything looked uniform it looks mellow and not a big fucking mess i think that you know people stayed alive after or the or the army that that they had the local army posed everyone because if you look at the photos they're all it's almost like they are laying down with their heads facing jim jones's like throne his weirdo throne yeah and some of them have their arms around each other it's like very orderly and it's so creepy it's the creepiest i've heard i would say 20 seconds of that tape of a lot of him talking don't do that to yourself listen to the whole thing you did oh i've done it multiple times why i'm so curious because i'm so fascinated by that one oh even the tiny moment that i listen to i can replay in my head it feels like verbatim i listened to it and i read the transcripts and i read a bunch there's an a m a redid by a woman who was a survivor.

[135] They're who got out, like, got out a couple months before, but her mom and brother died in there because they were high ups.

[136] So she was talking about what happened.

[137] She listened to the tape and was like, here's what people were saying, and here's what they meant, who was saying what.

[138] It's so fascinating to me. It's really, the fact that it happened in San Francisco, like, close to where I grew up, and there was a bunch of people of all walks of life.

[139] trying to start a utopia.

[140] I mean, that, every element of it is such an amazing, horrifying story.

[141] Yeah.

[142] It just is so like, it's the classic, don't go to a second location.

[143] For real.

[144] With someone named Jim Jones, you know.

[145] Or a hippie, the 30 Rock Joe.

[146] Right.

[147] Exactly.

[148] Or the Scientology.

[149] I was just reading today about how the, um, David Miscovich's wife, Shelly Miscovich is like missing as fuck.

[150] Yep.

[151] For years.

[152] For years.

[153] And they finally put out police report for her missing persons.

[154] But there's some like, compound where they keep like high ups and like just torture them constantly in florida yeah i think so so she's probably there so don't go don't say you go somewhere else with someone no don't go anywhere don't go anywhere don't leave your house stay in your apartment um you know that makes me think they've got to rescind the religious uh tax status for scientology it's been proven that it's not an actual religion it's insane that it's basically a humongous pyramid scheme I apologize if it's your religion and you're offended right now.

[155] I don't think they don't want you to be mad at me, but you're in a cult.

[156] Call your dad or someone that can help you.

[157] Your parents actually love you, even if they're a, what is it called?

[158] A negator.

[159] What's it called in Scientology?

[160] You're a negative something.

[161] Yeah, you're like, you've got body thetons and you're, you're, you're, uh, shit, there's a specific word.

[162] Trophy?

[163] No, that was last week.

[164] How many people on the, uh, you know, Yeah.

[165] On the Twitter feed just wrote trophy.

[166] It was making me laugh so hard.

[167] The word we kept forgetting last week.

[168] Yeah, that one, you know, what they keep.

[169] We keep sakes.

[170] I have to apologize for, I couldn't listen to last week's episode because my mic was not screwed on properly.

[171] And there were all these jiggling noises through the whole thing.

[172] And I'm fucking sorry.

[173] And I hope you guys got through it.

[174] Because I think it was a really good.

[175] I was like so happy about the episode.

[176] I went to listen to it.

[177] And I was like, I can't even listen to this.

[178] It was a little, um, I did listen to.

[179] it.

[180] But I'm used to, I mean, it's DIY, baby.

[181] That's what we're doing.

[182] That's true.

[183] And compared to some that sound like they're being recorded in a can in Alaska, we're, I think we're a couple steps ahead.

[184] I think so, too.

[185] In terms of that.

[186] Hey, this is exciting.

[187] An all new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[188] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster detectives.

[189] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone, Who killed Saz?

[190] And were they really after Charles?

[191] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[192] This season, murder hits close to home.

[193] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[194] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[195] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[196] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[197] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfenakis, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, Dayvine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[198] Only Martyrs in the Building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

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[221] Do you want to go first?

[222] Do you want me to go first?

[223] I think I went first last time, didn't I?

[224] So I looked up a ton of murders and I was kind of like kind of like.

[225] Like, there's not a lot of great 2 ,000 murders that just, like, have a lot of information in them.

[226] We basically painted ourselves into a corner.

[227] We totally do.

[228] We need to stop doing that.

[229] We need to stop immediately.

[230] We need to stop texting each other on Sunday and being like, or like Monday.

[231] Hey, what's the topic?

[232] I don't know.

[233] What do you want the topic to be?

[234] I don't know.

[235] You mentioned this.

[236] Okay, let's do that.

[237] Yeah.

[238] I think we need to go back to our original gut feeling of I need to talk about this guy.

[239] I think let's try that next week.

[240] Or woman.

[241] Yeah.

[242] Let's try that.

[243] Let's try that.

[244] Because I have a couple that I really want to get to that.

[245] We have to be really weird and specific.

[246] like topic.

[247] Yeah, we don't have to.

[248] Okay, nobody gives a shit.

[249] But I did find, I ended up finding a really good one that I never had heard about and I'm really excited to talk about because it's fucked up.

[250] Wonderful.

[251] It's the Seda Gaya family murders.

[252] Okay.

[253] I don't think I've heard of that.

[254] On the morning of December 31st, 2000, so I have a fucking day, I'm a day away.

[255] Your face, I just made the cut.

[256] I'm under the radar.

[257] In a home in Tokyo's Seta Gaya award.

[258] Mikio Miyazawa, who's 44, his 41 -year -old wife, Yasuko, their eight -year -old daughter Nina, and six -year -old son, Ray, were found dead in their home.

[259] The son had been strangled, and the other three were stabbed to death.

[260] So the killer or killers, which isn't brought up a lot, but I'll tell you more about that.

[261] Enteres through the bathroom window upstairs and goes to the son's room.

[262] He smothers the little boy in his sleep.

[263] sorry six year old um and then this father mikio had been working in the study on the first floor perhaps he heard something so he climbs the stairs where he encounters the home invader they fight and then so the father's body is found at the bottom of the stairwell stabbed to death the killer had brought a sashimi knife with him which is a very long thin blade they're really fucking sharp and the killer and father fought at the staircase and the killer damaged his knife in the process um um um and The killer then attacked the mother, Yasuko, and their eight -year -old daughter, Nina.

[264] It's Nina with two eyes, so I don't know if that's supposed to be something else.

[265] So they were sleeping together in the third floor loft of the house.

[266] He couldn't finish the job because his knife was broken.

[267] So he leaves and goes to the kitchen to get another knife.

[268] And the family's first aid kit was found open at the scene with some of the daughter's blood on the bandages.

[269] So it seems like when the killer walked out of the room, they thought like maybe he was leaving.

[270] And so the mom starts bandaging up.

[271] the, um, oh, that's horrible.

[272] But he comes off to finish them off, but he has to cover their faces with cloth because while he's killing them.

[273] He can't look at them and yet he, it's not a simple murder.

[274] He, like, it's a pretty brutal murder.

[275] So it's not like he couldn't look at them just to kill them really quickly, which is weird.

[276] That's super weird.

[277] And it's almost like it's personal, like you must know them or something, one would think.

[278] Anyways, or he doesn't want them to look at him.

[279] um let's see which means he might be having feelings which means he's probably not a psychopath right maybe but right but then then okay da da da da da da he continued to stab their bodies after they were dead hmm okay based on their stomach contents the time the family's death was placed at 1130 p .m and the murderer was injured at some point because his blood was found on bandages but after killing the family.

[280] He didn't leave.

[281] He stayed there overnight.

[282] He ate contents from the fridge and he wandered around the house eating popsicles, like discarding them in the trash can in the study and two other rappers in the kitchen.

[283] So he was just chilling out.

[284] He was literally just chilling out.

[285] He spent time, he went logged on to their computer.

[286] Between midnight and 1 a .m. he browsed the internet for five minutes visited...

[287] Where'd he go?

[288] BuzzFeed?

[289] Well, actually, they know he went to the theater company which was a bookmark by the wife.

[290] He tried to buy tickets.

[291] What the fuck?

[292] And his fingerprints was found on the mouse, but not the keyboard.

[293] So maybe he was just like clicking things that were already on the computer.

[294] But what?

[295] Is he thinking no...

[296] If fingerprints can only be on keyboards, but maybe he was clicking with his palm on the mouse.

[297] So weird.

[298] The thought process of this person doesn't make any sense.

[299] Then again, sometime in the morning, he used the computer for four minutes.

[300] He visited the web page of the father's company and the daughter's school, or the son's school.

[301] And it killed the power to the computer by pulling out the court, which he took with him from the crime scene.

[302] In the living room, credit cards, bank books, driver's license, and other personal identifying information were spread out as if the suspect had been sorting through them.

[303] In the second floor bathtub, more scattered papers were located, such as receipts, item from the mother's school, towels, sanitary products used to stop his bleeding, and other garbage.

[304] So he's got a maxi pad on his stabbed arm or whatever?

[305] Okay.

[306] He also, and this is information that I don't know, he used the restroom and didn't flush, so they have like, they know, like, his meal, but that he ate before he came.

[307] I'm sorry.

[308] Just like, dude, these people in Tokyo were, like, hardcore detective.

[309] Yeah.

[310] That's terrible.

[311] Whose department?

[312] Who gets that job?

[313] That sucks.

[314] Yeah, someone very low on the totem pole.

[315] Okay, at some point the killer should have a nap on the couch in the living room.

[316] So he must have known, like, no one was coming home.

[317] No one was expecting that.

[318] No one was, like, going to come over.

[319] Like, because the mother of, the mother of the wife lived next door and in, like, attached house.

[320] So he, how did he know she wasn't going to come over and, like, hang out?

[321] do you think he didn't know she was there or and he's just like I mean because if you murder an entire family you probably are crazy in some way so it would make sense that you're just like I'll be crazy and chill out and be a weirdo yeah no one will even come over okay yeah sometime around 10 okay yeah no I agree this is a weird this case is really interesting because there's so many clues that I'll get to that it should be it should be solved or this should be a really specific profile of this killer but I think all the clues are so weird that they that they sully that they make it even harder right so around 1038 to 1045 the family computer received an email that had a required password to open which means the family was still alive by them um and then but they must have been killed after midnight before midnight but didn't you say he broke in the morning no oh okay sorry he broken um um I'd like it was like an all -day torture thing.

[322] No, no, no. He'd broken in the evening.

[323] Okay, good, good.

[324] Yeah, good.

[325] Yeah, really?

[326] Great.

[327] Okay, so here's what's going on.

[328] There's a skate park right across the street that just opened up from the family's house, and they were annoyed by the noise, and they'd already been planning to move because of it.

[329] And a witness report seeing McKeio arguing with the skateboarders a few days before the crime.

[330] Another witness reported seeing the father arguing with a bike gang member or the bike gang crew.

[331] So he left behind a bunch of clothing that looked like a skater would wear, and the police were also able to determine the clone the suspect wore, which is a favorite brand of skateboarders.

[332] What?

[333] I know.

[334] Weird, right?

[335] So speaking of the stuff he left behind, let's see.

[336] In the pock, okay, so trace amounts of a red fluorescent agent were found on the suspect's clothing because he left all of his clothing behind.

[337] He folded up kneeling his clothing and left it behind, which is like, and they were able to find so much information from that.

[338] That it seems like a setup.

[339] That it seems like a setup.

[340] They found, they were able to find sand in his pockets that they were able to conclude that it was from the Edwards Air Force Place in Las Vegas, Nevada.

[341] What?

[342] Like that's how specific they were able to get, which has led a lot of people to think that maybe this guy was a skateboarder and his parents were working in the military.

[343] They also did DNA testing on him and were able to tell that he's mixed race with the mother of southern European descent and a father, most likely Korean.

[344] So he's mixed race.

[345] So he could easily be from outside the country.

[346] Right.

[347] So maybe his father or his mother worked on the Air Force base transferred to Japan, which means his fingerprints wouldn't be on file because normally if you come to, If you come to Tokyo or you come to Japan, your fingerprints are taken.

[348] Right.

[349] Anyways, so he wouldn't be if he was just a kid of the military.

[350] Yeah.

[351] So this red fluorescent agent found on the suspect's clothing indicates that the suspect was involved in stage prop design where this particular chemical is used.

[352] And it's not something the family had or would have had around.

[353] And trace amounts were also found in the garage.

[354] However, there was no indication the suspect had ever been in the garage.

[355] This led investigators to believe that the suspect may have had contact with the family prior to the killing.

[356] And remember that he went to a page that she had to buy tickets for a theater company.

[357] So maybe the mom was involved in the theater company.

[358] Or maybe that killer was also continuing to try to set up a person to indicate because you left the clothes there with that agent on.

[359] then you buy those tickets you're definitely pointing an arrow or maybe he was stalking them and stalking her maybe he had broken into the house before that the incident gone in the garage somehow like kind of profiling the house to see how he could get in there um an old jacket was missing and all of the family's happy new year greeting cards were missing they were like gone which is so weird someone suggested maybe they had cash in them but they were saying that they're like happy new year's cards which are like from friends yeah you wouldn't send your money unless that's a tradition or right so some people say it looks like the work of a professional killer because how easily he killed the children was fine doing that um it's probably not his clothing since he left it behind and then um maybe he wanted to look like a skater just to kind of throw them off and be like leave them in a different direction yeah you know Um, that's just, it's just so many random things.

[360] And also, oh, they also knew that the clothes were washed in hard water, not soft water.

[361] So they hadn't been washed in Japan.

[362] Oh, wow.

[363] I know.

[364] What a weird little detail.

[365] I wonder does Vegas have hard water?

[366] Right.

[367] Probably right.

[368] Yeah.

[369] It's just, it's just, it's just, it's frustrating that they can do so many little elements about these things, but yet not have a psychological profile or you know just be a little more specific as to who it could be like they have an age range that it's probably somewhere between their 20s and 30s also why was the little boy strangled and everybody else stabbed is that purely just convenience of you know wherever his knife was or I mean like it's fascinating like what what the difference is what the details actually point to that's why I can't stand ones that haven't been solved because doesn't teach you any that's why I love them because they're so it's such a bigger it's just a bigger I feel like I'm let down when I'm like oh it's just some shithead psychopath it's like not even worth anything he should have just killed himself rather than like there's this mysterious guy in the world it could be a big deal it could be this crazy cover up like all the possibilities are so much better than what the reality really reality is which is that it's some fucking asshole.

[370] Well, also because you use your imagination, then you basically write a mystery story of like, it's a person that worked with the wife at the theater company but he dressed up like a skateboarder.

[371] Because she had told him there was a skate park and he knew that there was issues.

[372] And there was problems and that's the perfect...

[373] Totally.

[374] Decoy.

[375] Maybe he just came to murder the father because the father was, you know, a business associate of his and he needed, you know, and just the family.

[376] were witnesses and so he had to kill them all and just kind of freaked out and stayed in the house until he figured out what to do but so that points away from a professional in any way so does i think so does like eating popsicles and all that shit and shitting totally it makes me think of mike from breaking bad and how when he goes to do stuff like you've seen all that right where he he he bought like the the that was actually from better call sol but uh a character on there buys, he knows he's being followed and he wants to make sure nobody gets the jump on him.

[377] So he buys a welcome mat and underneath it he puts that diddo paper so he knew when people were standing at his front door.

[378] That is awesome.

[379] It was like stuff like that.

[380] I love that.

[381] Or when they put a small like watch underneath the wheel of the car and when it runs over there, the time stops of when that person left.

[382] Didn't they do that in that too?

[383] Probably.

[384] That was probably in Breaking Bad, right?

[385] Yeah, some show I saw where they was like a lot.

[386] watch sopped at this time.

[387] That's what time they left.

[388] I had a roommate in San Francisco that used to keep his pot in a drawer in his room.

[389] And when I would go to steal it while he was at work.

[390] One time I found a hair laying across the top.

[391] So I picked the hair up.

[392] And I went in and took the pot as much pot as I saw fit that I deserved.

[393] Didn't pay for.

[394] Wasn't mine.

[395] Shut the drawer and put the hair back.

[396] Yeah.

[397] So he could, and then he's a stoner.

[398] So it was just paranoid to accuse me of taking his pot.

[399] If you have.

[400] Sorry Scott's if you close a door yeah if you put a little saliva on the hair and stick it to the thing or a little tape on there the hair will break when you open the door yeah love that trick love that trick never used it but just the idea that he and i were involved in those kind that level of spy versus spy stoner bullshit was super enjoyable um it makes me want to ask all these questions but i don't want to put you in a bad position.

[401] But it makes me go like, are serial killers common in Japan or rare?

[402] Like, do we know anything culturally?

[403] Because that's like, I feel like we never hear about, it's like every once in a while you hear about that terrible girl, the girl that got tortured for 40 days by those awful fucking high schoolers.

[404] That's awful.

[405] Or there was one guy that killed children that they caught recently or whatever.

[406] But it's not like here, where they're fucking coming out of everybody's asshole that's an or.

[407] it's a lot of gang gang killings.

[408] Right.

[409] Yeah, it doesn't seem like there are like mass killings but not as many like serial killers.

[410] No, people not sneaking in your window and killing an entire family.

[411] And someone hypothesized that that's why the cops have a lot of forensic capabilities but not a lot of problems like because they don't deal with a lot of murders like this so they couldn't really put it together as to what would happen.

[412] Right.

[413] Yeah.

[414] Yeah.

[415] And they say the cops are, I don't know if it's that way anymore, but for a long time.

[416] the cops in Japan were just completely in bed with the...

[417] Yeah.

[418] What is it?

[419] Yaku.

[420] Azuka.

[421] Don't bring it up if you don't know, Karen.

[422] Don't mention it if you don't know the word.

[423] Listen, this is an uncut, unedited podcast.

[424] In your face.

[425] We don't want to look smart for you.

[426] We're in your face with our ignorance.

[427] Yeah.

[428] It doesn't matter.

[429] No, it doesn't.

[430] So that's my, yeah, the...

[431] That's a good one.

[432] Seda Gaya family murders.

[433] And how long ago did it happen?

[434] 16 years ago.

[435] Oh, that's right.

[436] And there's been there as there's been 2 ,400 officers involved in the case to date, which seems like too many.

[437] Yeah.

[438] And they've received more than 16 ,000 pieces of information from the public, yet the killer remains at large.

[439] What's that, what's that old lady next door now?

[440] That's what I want to know.

[441] That her daughter is.

[442] Oh, her entire family.

[443] I mean, she must.

[444] Is she still alive?

[445] I don't know, but the house is left the same, like, left.

[446] Oh.

[447] Like nobody's moved in there.

[448] There's your horror movie.

[449] Sure.

[450] People go there every year and place flowers on the date and stuff.

[451] It's sad.

[452] It was like a sweet -looking little family.

[453] Of course.

[454] I mean, not that they would deserve it if they were not sweet -looking.

[455] But they just look very normal.

[456] Right.

[457] It's really sad.

[458] What happened?

[459] Yeah.

[460] But the fact that the guy was comfortable staying in a house with murdered people means he had to be a little bit crazy because they were saying like, you know, if you kill someone for the first time, you, like, don't want to be in the house with the fucking dead bodies anymore.

[461] It's creepy.

[462] Yeah, it's creepy.

[463] So maybe he was...

[464] He murdered children for Christ's sake.

[465] Wow.

[466] Yeah.

[467] Well, turn yourself in, please.

[468] Yeah.

[469] You're listening.

[470] We're huge in Japan.

[471] So we know that this has a long reach.

[472] Mm -hmm.

[473] And we have a lot of influence over murderers.

[474] And we have a lot of influence in general.

[475] Everyone knows that.

[476] We'll get, tell him, we'll give him a free shirt if he comes in.

[477] You don't have to wear your dumb army brat clothes anymore.

[478] Here's the thing I know about skateboarders.

[479] They're massively chill.

[480] They don't murder families.

[481] And on the whole.

[482] So the idea that you were trying to set up, uh, someone from a culture that's all about hanging and just being kind of cool with everybody.

[483] Is a mistake.

[484] Yeah.

[485] Skater boy.

[486] In my opinion.

[487] Yeah.

[488] Um, my murder is.

[489] like the one you talked about of a boring person that's just some guy when you find out you go this schlub um but he's kind of like the height of that which i think is really fascinating every time i've seen him on your 28 at 2020 or your 48 hours or your 28 hours the combo program a little longer a little longer day 28 hours it's a little bit longer of a day it's a so much murder that we have to extend the day four hours Um, so mine and a lot of people have talked about this on the Facebook page.

[490] Sorry to mention it again, but it's Dr. Harold Shipman, who was a GP in England.

[491] Oh, yes.

[492] Um, he had, uh, I think it was, it's near Manchester.

[493] I'm not going to talk about England like I know anymore because did you see the posts about how wrong I was about the accent from Happy Valley.

[494] Oh.

[495] It was hilarious how wrong I was.

[496] No, but it sounded right to me. Uh, of course it did.

[497] And the thing I was.

[498] And the thing I was.

[499] forget is there's people in other countries listening to me bullshit people keep saying to us when are you going to cover australian like australia's got some like gnarly murders gnarly good ones crazy we got to do a couple australia episodes at some point well we did touch on it with your guy the mystery man that they think they've solved did you see that article um the down what's that guy's called the um god i don't know i know it's oh forget it let's forget it so my guy Dr. Harold I mentioned I'm anxiety and I don't sleep at night I don't sleep at night Have I mentioned that this is just a podcast And if you need to know factual shit Go ahead and log on to CNN .com Or maybe don't Okay so Dr. Harold Shipman He studied at the lead school of medicine He graduated in 1970 And The interesting about things about him to note is that his mother, who he was very close to, had lung cancer.

[500] And so she used to have morphine administered to her in the end stages.

[501] Lung cancer is a terrible fucking disease, and it's very bad in the end.

[502] And she died because a doctor gave her.

[503] her morphine and basically it ended up killing her.

[504] On purpose or an accident?

[505] Well, I just think it was like near the end.

[506] You know, maybe it was just like one too many.

[507] It does, I don't know the details, but he witnessed the pain go away, even though she had this terrible lung cancer.

[508] And he watched doctors come and basically take it away and whatever.

[509] And then she died like in one of the.

[510] of those in one of those moments and he was there for all of that and it was when he was 17 so it's kind of a crucial time yeah so we're this is a person who is smart enough to become a doctor but who goes for this incredibly traumatic experience uh growing up so um the fuck was that it just sounded like the wind went through your hallway a little scary a little bit there were some weird noise just now and are at my house it was kind of crunchy sounding it was crunchy also the other day just um off topic i was standing in my kitchen i had just gotten some water and uh i was just standing in kitchen drinking water and the dog was standing there with me and then one of the cabinet doors just closed and it was probably because i well mine are the kind where it's like open or closed so um i think i probably had left it open just enough so that it was still open but closed itself i know but it was long enough the it was literally like four minutes had passed so I forgot that I'd even opened it and my dog it was the kind of thing where my dog looked at me like what the fuck and that scared me instead of just it being no big deal she looked around like what just happened I'm so scared right now that's something's going to come flying out of my fucking well we're here together yeah and we'll record it and it'll get it'll be really popular it'll be huge people would love to hear that yeah what a way to go um okay so this is what I love he goes to medical school he graduated to 1970.

[511] In 1975, so five years later, he's on his way of becoming a doctor, he gets caught for forging demoral prescriptions.

[512] And he gets fined, 600 pounds, he goes to rehab in New York, and don't know where that is, won't talk about where it is.

[513] Then he ends up working at Donnybrook Medical Center in Hyde, which is near Manchester, All of this is off Wikipedia.

[514] I don't know it factually in my own end.

[515] So he basically starts working at this place in 1977, and he works there throughout the 80s.

[516] And then he starts his own surgery in 1993.

[517] He's a respected member of the community.

[518] He's just your standard awesome doctor.

[519] Until 1998, when Deborah Massey from Frank Massey and son's funeral parlor, goes to the corner and says we're getting a lot of deaths from Dr. Shipman's patients and there's a lot of cremation forms that he's the only person that has to sign it.

[520] Like, come on, man. Duh.

[521] So, or maybe they, I'm sorry, the funeral home needs to counter sign the cremation form.

[522] Okay.

[523] But that's when she notices and ends up going to another doctor and being like, here's a thing.

[524] there's all these old ladies.

[525] Red flag.

[526] No optopsies.

[527] Going straight to cremation.

[528] It's all from good old doctor shipment down the street.

[529] Yeah.

[530] Maybe somebody should look into this.

[531] And she's going to end up dead, isn't she?

[532] No. Not that I know of.

[533] report.

[534] They start to look into it in the police department.

[535] But of course, what do they do?

[536] What do they always do?

[537] They assign it to inexperienced cops.

[538] So they don't really find any serious problems.

[539] It's all kind of like, well, we can't prove anything.

[540] It's that old thing.

[541] And so, uh, everyone trusts a doctor.

[542] It's a doctor.

[543] He's a beard.

[544] He looks so plain.

[545] He's totally the person that you would see waiting for the bus and never look at twice.

[546] I didn't know a lot of this story, but I've seen his photo and he looks just like, like, like he looks like, he looks like, your stepdad.

[547] And he ruins it because he isn't exciting and he didn't do, he didn't do these.

[548] He's one of the, I think they say that he's like the biggest serial killer there is because of the numbers.

[549] They just can't prove the numbers.

[550] But like, so they prove three for sure.

[551] So he went, you know, he went to jail, ended up hanging himself because, you know, of all of it.

[552] But then once they start digging into it and they do.

[553] what they call the Shipman Report, they assign people to look into all of the people that he has treated, all of the people that have died and were cremated.

[554] And it's basically a majority of elderly women who up until that point were in perfectly fine health.

[555] They didn't go in with like long -term illnesses that he helped them get out of.

[556] He was just like.

[557] No. It wasn't like Kovorkian.

[558] Yeah.

[559] It wasn't an unofficial Kovorkian.

[560] It was an old lady who would go to Dr. Shipman because she'd be like, like these corns on my feet or whatever because he's a GP which here means general practice means like you go to them for whatever I have a sore throat I think I got the flu and I'm old we have to be careful sounds good sounds good fucking but in his mind was he like I'm getting I'm helping you not have to ever go through this like in his or is he just enjoying well he I'm positive he enjoyed it because what that is is you basically are becoming the angel of death so and apparently that's a very common thing in doctors is they get the God complex where they can save your life and the healthy normal ones which is hopefully the majority almost immediately said majority which who knows they're all about saving and doing no harm and they get all their joy and power from saving you but there are the ones and it happens you know it happens to nurses a lot too where they get the joy from deciding that it's time for you to go And you can see where the logic would be If his mother was suffered with lung cancer And he watched somebody give her morphine And kind of like make it all go away His, you could see the logic behind It's an old lady she's living Maybe once he gets to know them I'm not sure the details But like that he basically decides like You should, we're going to wrap this up for you I want to know his mindset I really wanted to read his manifesto Which sounds like he's a kind of person who would write one Yeah, I'm sorry I don't know if there is one.

[561] No, no. I'm just saying if he had, like, yeah, like, I'm so curious about his mindset if he was being, like, malicious or if he thought he was, like, doing something good.

[562] Well, I think he thought he was doing good.

[563] I did see a murder show on this, on Dr. Shipman.

[564] And I do remember being bored while I was watching it.

[565] Yeah.

[566] Because once I got the fact that basically he would, it would be people who were in fine health, elderly lady.

[567] He also was suspected of causing the death of a four -year -old child in the early days.

[568] Oh, my goodness.

[569] So there could have been like, it could be that thing where that was a mistake, but then what he realized was he could have the joy of having that same thrill of killing someone, but cover it so perfectly.

[570] It sounds a little like munchausen by proxy, doesn't it?

[571] Yes.

[572] But he's not getting empathy or sympathy.

[573] He's getting power.

[574] It's probably also getting praise in a way that's like.

[575] I don't know, like, there's something about it, too, where it's like, oh, thank you, doctor, for everything you try to do and you, you know, that kind of thing.

[576] Yes.

[577] And maybe it's the, what I think is kind of interesting is it's like, so when you're a doctor, you are the elite, people can be in the way communities are based.

[578] It's like you're the one person that can help.

[579] You're the person everybody goes to.

[580] You're, you automatically are the person people trust because you do all this good and you're upstanding in the community.

[581] whatever.

[582] So when like a taxi driver goes and says, hey, guess what?

[583] My mother died and she shouldn't have because she had all this stuff.

[584] We knew and she wasn't sick and da -da -da.

[585] They go, the cops go, okay, sir, which is literally what happened.

[586] There was a guy who went to the cops first that that that's the reason they started that first inquiry.

[587] And then they were like, yeah, there's nothing we can prove.

[588] And we don't.

[589] And basically, we don't believe you.

[590] You're just a working stiff.

[591] You're a blue -collar guy, and this is our doctor.

[592] And it's going to ruin his reputation if you even look into it.

[593] Right.

[594] You know what I mean?

[595] Like, if you have to start asking questions of other patients, you have to, like, subpoena his records, it's going to make, and it's not true, it's going to make him look really bad.

[596] And he could probably sue for defamation, maybe.

[597] Probably.

[598] I'm making that up.

[599] Well, like everything else.

[600] Hard facts.

[601] On our podcast.

[602] But also, it's that thing.

[603] And you know those, when you see the doctors who kill their wives.

[604] and they keep that mask on after they're convicted in jail.

[605] They keep it on forever because they have already turned into this person that's convinced they've done all the work of this is what I'm doing.

[606] This is why it's right or this is why I get to do whatever I want.

[607] So you would have to, you would then be facing a person who it just made me think of like a forensic files that I saw that was in Canada about a doctor who shot this woman up with like basically the stuff they give you when you're having a baby so that you just don't feel anything and you go paralyzed and you kind of are numb and he rapes her and then like and then thinks that she's going to forget about it is basically a kind of a rohypnal cocktail thing and then she accuses them of it everyone says you're a crazy bitch you're a crazy bitch they do blood tests it's the blood doesn't match the DNA doesn't match you're a crazy bitch, you're a crazy bitch for years.

[608] They find out he had injected.

[609] Remember that?

[610] I do.

[611] And the guy...

[612] With someone else's blood or what was that?

[613] Yes, one of his patients.

[614] So he's setting up another patient to defend himself against the rape of a first patient.

[615] And he had the blood injected into his arms.

[616] So they keep going, you're the crazy bitch.

[617] So basically you're taking on, when you take on a doctor, there's so much high, they truly are the elite.

[618] And if you are just a waitress or you're just a cab driver, you're automatically wrong.

[619] Or a prostitute?

[620] No way.

[621] God forbid a prostitute.

[622] You know what drives me, you know what I wish, a sex worker.

[623] In a perfect world, like, when, when you watch these video, these 40, these 28 -hour videos of like, you know, the father did this, the husband did this, and they're in court, and then the jury says, guilty or not guilty, whatever.

[624] When they say guilty, I feel like, I wish that the guy would have to go, damn it, you got me. Like, I wish they would have to admit it if they did or not.

[625] That's exactly right.

[626] Like, you got me. Yeah.

[627] Because I just want to know, like, is that the wrong?

[628] There's always that like, what if the wrong person's in prison?

[629] But I just want to know.

[630] And you're on fucking asshole.

[631] So if you did it, like, just own up to it.

[632] So everyone can move the fuck on.

[633] I know.

[634] You got me. That's what would that be.

[635] And like, you just like starts laughing.

[636] State or country.

[637] Okay.

[638] You're right.

[639] This is over.

[640] Shakes the press.

[641] gear's hands.

[642] You know what?

[643] Fair play.

[644] Yeah.

[645] Fair play you got me. I totally slowly killed a bunch of undeserving people.

[646] Oh, and his numbers just to get for one second.

[647] Dr. Shipman, where was it?

[648] Four hundred and fifty nine people died while under his care.

[649] They just can't prove how many were victims and how many he was just a doctor that certified his death and that it didn't have anything to do with.

[650] I wonder how many is like standard.

[651] It can't be more than a hundred.

[652] It can't be.

[653] How many people die in a year in a small town?

[654] Totally.

[655] I don't know if it's small.

[656] Is it a year?

[657] I don't know how big it is.

[658] No, no, no, no. No, that was over.

[659] That's like a, uh, almost a 30 year span.

[660] Oh, shit.

[661] 71 to 98.

[662] Wow.

[663] And that they, they think the probable number of definite victims between 71 and 98 is 250 but 459 people died in that amount of time they just can't they can't prove I have a question important question where does the number two where does the year 2000 fit into all this because guess what I think he got arrested in 2000 okay um yes that's right because they started the lady from Massey and son's funeral home and her name is Deborah Massey so I want to go are you the unfortunate daughter that works at Frank Massey and son's funeral home that sucks sorry Deborah and and also high five for getting this whole thing going but yeah I think she went that she went to them in 98 and so basically he ended up getting looked into and arrested in 2000 I'm gonna accept that I swear to God I can make you start over please please don't because this was this was borderline homoka level lack of information.

[664] Yeah, I found a lot of those.

[665] There was one of a girl who was riding her bike and just disappeared and like all these people copped to it, but they didn't.

[666] And it was like just fucking sad.

[667] For a 2000?

[668] Yeah.

[669] Yeah.

[670] And that was like the only other one that I found that was like that was like that interesting to me. I feel like people thought that year was going to be way, way worse than it actually turned out to be.

[671] Well, I mean, you're just under the fucking horizon of 9 -11.

[672] So that's right.

[673] You know what was interesting?

[674] Going through, and I don't have the education to even, like, really theorize, but I kept seeing all these things where they were like nuclear secrets leaked.

[675] There are all these things in the year 2000 that I just kept going.

[676] I wonder if this has anything to do with the 9 -11.

[677] You know what I mean?

[678] Here and there, there would just be a thing.

[679] Nuclear secrets.

[680] There was something that was -bombing somewhere.

[681] Yeah.

[682] Murder of all these people in this thing.

[683] Yeah.

[684] Tide.

[685] Man. What if in this one?

[686] podcast, we should fucking uncover something crazy government secrets.

[687] And then we're on the run.

[688] Yes.

[689] Oh my God.

[690] And we only like all the like Facebook group people like we're there like like hide us out.

[691] Yes.

[692] We're like on the side.

[693] Create an underground railroad across the country.

[694] And throughout the world now that we know that there are people in a wales listening.

[695] And the only way that the government knows that we were there is that they have all t -shirts.

[696] Giving them all free t -shirts for couch surfing.

[697] We have to make new t -shirts for when we're on the run.

[698] Totally.

[699] It'll be like the 2016 tour.

[700] And it'll show like what cities we're going to be in, which is like a bad idea.

[701] That's right.

[702] We have to like keep changing the cities on the back of the shirt around.

[703] Keep adding them.

[704] And then those people get a rest.

[705] Canceled.

[706] Just no, not happening.

[707] Canceled.

[708] Oh, which reminds me, I am going to, we are going to do a live show in the next three months.

[709] Yes.

[710] I just have to confirm it.

[711] But everybody in the Los Angeles area or maybe even Northern California, if you want to make a day trip or something, my friend April and I, April Richardson, who did the Go Bayside podcast that there are people that listen to this podcast were fans of.

[712] Positive podcasting.

[713] We have a show at the Improv Lab right now that's great.

[714] It's a great room and it's super fun.

[715] And so that's where...

[716] What's the show called?

[717] Plug the shit out of it.

[718] Oh, yeah, that's right.

[719] And we're going to do it May 11th, which is my birthday.

[720] Next Wednesday.

[721] May 11th, it's a great show and a really good lineup.

[722] It's at 10 o 'clock at the Improv Lab.

[723] If you want to be there, please come.

[724] We would love to have you.

[725] What's the show called?

[726] It's called Business Class.

[727] Okay.

[728] And I will tweet on my Twitter account about it.

[729] Tweet on ours, too.

[730] Should I do that?

[731] Absolutely.

[732] Okay.

[733] Yeah, I'll do ours, too.

[734] This is a place of shameless self -promotion.

[735] Right?

[736] That's what we're all about.

[737] out.

[738] But anyway, so we're going to try, we're arranging that right now with, um, oh my God, I'm so excited.

[739] With that, I can't wait.

[740] I think it could be super cool.

[741] I can't wait for a live show.

[742] Yeah.

[743] We'll bring t -shirts and sell them for double the cost.

[744] That's so good.

[745] We'll have a fucking merch table.

[746] We'll have a merch table.

[747] Maybe we'll try to get Vince and Matt McCarthy from We Watch wrestling podcast to come and be our merch guys.

[748] And then, because there's all kinds of crossover listeners.

[749] Totally.

[750] Someone said that their boyfriend yelled to them from the other room, Hey, the girl from your murder podcast is on my wrestling podcast right now.

[751] So like randomly come home when they're recording and they'll ask me what my favorite wrestler is.

[752] Yes.

[753] Just like Vince did that time.

[754] Yeah.

[755] When Vince came home.

[756] Yeah.

[757] I love it.

[758] I have to go to therapy now.

[759] Oh, yeah.

[760] I schedule therapy after this podcast because I think that's good timing.

[761] It probably is.

[762] All right.

[763] Well, then we'll save.

[764] You know what we should do is do a mini with emails because we've got a bunch of great emails definitely that's what i was just checking to see if we had time for but do you want to read one real quick should i i did google or i searched in our email 2000 just to be like does anyone have a good 2000 story oh yeah and they were but like none of them i could let's see um let's see what people wrote i said uh tell us on the podcast on the facebook group tell us your favorite um what No, no, I'm just laughing that of the mistake we made.

[765] Victoria Hemshead, aren't we only up to episode 15?

[766] Yes, Victoria.

[767] You are correct.

[768] Oh, Victoria was on it.

[769] Thank you, Victoria, for paying attention.

[770] Someone said, you've got a Columbine 9 -11 sandwich.

[771] Hmm, hard to choose.

[772] I don't know what that means.

[773] Oh, because those are, that those happened then?

[774] Yeah, I didn't realize Scott Peterson was going on.

[775] Shit, we really missed the boat.

[776] Yeah.

[777] You know, we do.

[778] We do the underground.

[779] We do the behind the seat.

[780] We do the, we do the cases no one's talking about.

[781] Right.

[782] Or everyone's talking about.

[783] Oh, yeah, that's right.

[784] Yeah, let's do an episode of emails and stuff.

[785] Yeah, that's a good idea.

[786] Okay.

[787] Do you want me to read this one, though?

[788] This is from Sam.

[789] And the title of is it my, the title of it is my grandma and Albert Fish.

[790] Hell yeah.

[791] Right?

[792] Hey, ladies.

[793] I just.

[794] finished listening to the cannibal episode, which my dad and I listened to in the car, to and from getting some groceries.

[795] Oh, Dad.

[796] Hi.

[797] After you started introducing Fish's story, my dad turns to me and says, you know your grandma or a sister were babysat by Albert Fish.

[798] Are you kidding me?

[799] To which I responded, shut your mouth.

[800] But he was totally serious and is surprised.

[801] I don't remember my grandma talking about it when I was much younger.

[802] He says they lived next door to him in this same apartment building.

[803] What the shit?

[804] My grandma Joan was born in 1931 in Brooklyn, and the Wikipedia says Fish was apprehended in 1934, so I doubt she would have remembered much.

[805] But her sister Doris is a couple years older, and it's feasible that she would remember this little old man, read super insane, disturbed, and terrifying creature.

[806] Unfortunately, my grandma died a few years ago, and so I've never, and I've never actually met Doris, so I can't back up any of this with face -to -face memories.

[807] But my dad isn't one to make up creepy stories, and I only have third -hand info.

[808] I had to share it with you on the chance it might be true you know what we're all about that it's true it is true to us I'm gonna go on record it's true because the joy of it wow the joy of it can you imagine sorry this the end can you imagine finding out that the neighbor you'd been depending on to watch your kids while you're at work was america's boogeyman can you I just don't think of a time in my life when I would leave my baby with an old man like no matter for any reason a he'll drop the baby.

[809] And then like worst case scenario, he'll eat the baby.

[810] Yeah.

[811] Although that, I really do think Albert Fish is that thing.

[812] He was unimaginable to people up until that point.

[813] Unimaginable.

[814] That's true.

[815] Then an old man would be that awful in every way.

[816] People still kind of trust old people a little too much, I feel like.

[817] When they say, oh, look at that, like sweet old man. And it's like, well, he, pedophiles get old.

[818] That's exactly.

[819] Oh, man. They sure do.

[820] Nazis get old.

[821] They, like really mean bitches who are like the mean people.

[822] They get old.

[823] They live the longest, it seems like.

[824] Everyone gets old, including pedophiles and murderers.

[825] So don't, don't fucking.

[826] Don't fall for that shit.

[827] I feel like it's insulting to old people do it immediately assume that they're sweet and fucking well -intentioned.

[828] That's right.

[829] You know?

[830] By the time you're old, you're either completely evil or an American hero.

[831] And that's pretty much it.

[832] Pick one.

[833] The week have been weeded out.

[834] Or they've been killed by Dr. Shipman.

[835] Calm British Dr. Shipman.

[836] Can you imagine?

[837] He was just like, yes, put your foot up on my knee and we'll look at your corns.

[838] You're like a tea or anything.

[839] Oh, oh, goodbye.

[840] Goodbye.

[841] Good night.

[842] Good night.

[843] The thing is to trust no one except the people who are like, clearly displaying their craziness.

[844] That's right.

[845] Right?

[846] Because everyone's crazy.

[847] So the people who are hiding at the most, the wellest.

[848] The wellest, definitely.

[849] Thank you.

[850] Are the craziest.

[851] Look at us.

[852] We have a fucking podcast talking about our crazy.

[853] Guys, it isn't the worst thing in the world.

[854] You can be crazy.

[855] Just be a little lighthearted about it.

[856] I think that's the point.

[857] Is that the point?

[858] Absolutely.

[859] Maybe.

[860] You don't have to take needles and put them under your skin because you're crazy the way Albert Fish did, right?

[861] Wasn't it filled with needles?

[862] In his penis.

[863] In his penis, really?

[864] Yes.

[865] God, that guy was intense.

[866] Yeah.

[867] They found a bunch of needles up there.

[868] I mean, your erythra.

[869] Dude, take a walk around the block.

[870] Breathe deeply.

[871] You know, it would have helped him meditation.

[872] Yeah, that's right.

[873] Transcendental meditation.

[874] Yeah, probably.

[875] It probably would have.

[876] Clear your mind of those needles.

[877] thoughts.

[878] Clear your urethrave, those needle thoughts.

[879] Mr. Fish.

[880] Right.

[881] Should we shut this one down?

[882] Yeah, definitely.

[883] It definitely should.

[884] Well, thanks.

[885] We're looking forward to episode 16 next week.

[886] We'll talk about 15 of the best murders ever.

[887] I love it.

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[896] And stay sexy.

[897] Don't get murdered.

[898] Bye.