#772 - Mark & Chris Bell

[0] I'm in a rush to there.

[1] Yes, we're live.

[2] Gentlemen, welcome back.

[3] What's up?

[4] Welcome back, Joe.

[5] So I watched a documentary last night.

[6] Holy shit.

[7] You holy shitted me twice already.

[8] Really?

[9] You holy shitted me with bigger, stronger, faster, and now you holy shitted me with prescription thugs.

[10] It's kind of crazy, right?

[11] We have a $300 billion prescription drug habit in this country, yet we rank number of 50 in life expectancy.

[12] Makes no sense.

[13] Well, it all came down to Ronald Reagan.

[14] That's what's really crazy.

[15] When they allowed people to allow pharmaceutical companies to advertise on television, I can remember when those things first started showing up.

[16] Well, you know, medicine turned into a business.

[17] And when it turned to a business, that wasn't a very good thing for the consumer.

[18] No, at all.

[19] No, it's terrible.

[20] How much further do you think life expectancy has changed over the last hundred years?

[21] Well, over the last hundred years, I think it's changed dramatically.

[22] But I think it lasts, like, what, 50 years?

[23] Probably not so much.

[24] I mean, from what I've seen, it's about 20 years, not that much.

[25] Well, how much would you think it would be?

[26] I don't know.

[27] I just think it would be more.

[28] I don't know.

[29] You hear about modern medicine just being such a big thing and being able to help you.

[30] But we also have a tainted food supply, which we were talking about a little bit.

[31] That's really hard to get healthy, to be healthy, totally healthy.

[32] Well, it requires effort, for sure.

[33] It definitely requires you to pay attention.

[34] It definitely requires you to watch what you eat.

[35] And most people don't want to do that.

[36] but what's stunning to me I mean there was a lot of stunning things in that documentary but the sheer numbers of prescription pain pills that are prescribed in this country every year that's staggering they said what was the actual quote that there was enough pain pills to get every single adult human in this country high for a month for a month around the clock for a month turn everybody to zombies how fucking insane is that yeah I mean that's kind of what we're doing I mean a lot of people are just walking around checked out And, you know, one thing that I didn't know when I was addicted to painkillers was that actually two ibuprofen and two Tylenol have been clinically proven to be like twice as effective as opiate painkillers.

[37] But if a doctor told me as a patient to take ibuprofen and Tylenol together, I'm like, you're out of your mind.

[38] Give me the good stuff.

[39] Yeah, you wouldn't feel he's doing enough for you, right?

[40] I think that's a mentality that we have and it's a mentality that like I totally admit to is if I go to a doctor, I want to get a prescription.

[41] but now I've changed that mentality, but that's a mentality I did have.

[42] Even if you go to a doctor and they give you a prescription ibuprofen, they give you 800 milligrams.

[43] Yeah, that's a lot.

[44] So two is four, right?

[45] It's 400 milligrams for two ibuprofen and then two Tylenol, which I don't know what the milligrams of Tylenol is.

[46] I don't usually take that, but.

[47] I have arthritis really bad.

[48] Yeah.

[49] My knees, I had my hips replaced at 33 years old.

[50] My ankles hurt every day, everything.

[51] And the Advil and the Tylenol combination has been knocking it out of the park for it.

[52] me and actually learned that from doing press for this movie.

[53] I learned that from Dr. Drew of all people.

[54] Really?

[55] Yeah.

[56] That's incredible.

[57] And how long you've been doing that?

[58] Like two Advil and two ibuprofen?

[59] Maybe two months about.

[60] And it makes a big difference.

[61] It just helps me get through the day, helps me be pain free.

[62] You know, the other thing that a lot of people talk about that I think just definitely needs to be talked about is medical marijuana.

[63] Because I'm an addict and I've been through rehab and everything, I don't personally use it, but I think for people that don't have a problem with, you know, consuming everything, I think it can be great so you have a problem to in the sense that like even marijuana something that's not physically addictive once you start smoking it you'll want other things I'm only I've only been been sober about 22 months so I just feel like I'm not ready to really take that dive because I might smoke some weed and end up you know yeah taking some pills and drinking and jumping to pool naked and yeah you know if you just get naked for jumping the pool naked I mean if you get arrested for that but that wouldn't be the end of it I mean it would keep going he and I were talking the other day a little bit about like you know everybody wanting to justify their drug of choice right you know obviously i've been on performance enhancing drugs for a long time and so everybody wants to justify oh it's not addicting or it's not this or not that it is addicting any behavior that you practice over and over again is going to become addicting you're like the side effects to it you're like some of the feel to it so everybody i think a lot of times kind of kidding themselves when they're saying oh pot doesn't do anything or you know it's like it's like well it does something it doesn't make you function the best probably you know well it certainly can be psychologically addictive.

[64] Right.

[65] I mean, it helps your functioning in some ways.

[66] That's one of the things that people have gotten mad at me for argument.

[67] Makes you a fucking badass at video games, that's for sure.

[68] It helps you at pool, for sure.

[69] Health of music.

[70] Like, honestly, I think that, like, God put everything, if you believe in God or whatever.

[71] But we have a system.

[72] Like, everything is put on this earth for a reason.

[73] And if, you know, they always say, let medicine, hypocrisy said, like, let medicine be thy cure and the cure be medicine, you know, food be medicine or whatever.

[74] So, like, food as medicine is something that traces, like, way back, you know.

[75] So things that are found on the earth that we can use rather than synthetically make, I think it just makes logical sense.

[76] Well, yeah, well, it definitely is probably a smarter way to do it.

[77] I don't think his name is hypocrisy, right?

[78] Is it?

[79] I don't know.

[80] Socrates.

[81] What is this name?

[82] Apocrates, right?

[83] Hypocrity?

[84] You're on to something.

[85] You're close.

[86] Hippopotamus, I don't know.

[87] One of them old dead Greek motherfuckers.

[88] But the sheer numbers of oxycontins and pain pills that are being prescribed in this country, I was watching this television show where they were talking about Massachusetts and the problem, oh, it was Anthony Bardin show, that's what it was.

[89] And they were talking about all these people that got hooked on pain pills because they got injured from some job -related or something or another.

[90] Doctor gives you oxy prescription.

[91] Your oxy prescription runs out or they change the regulations and then everybody turns to heroin.

[92] one and that's a big problem in this country where they've changed the regulations um and there was another thing that you you talked about on your on your documentary where they changed the way oxy cottons work where you can't crush them up and smoke them anymore and they lost 80 % of their revenue from that yeah absolutely and that's something that's crazy just shows you that people are using them recreationally and how how insane is that yeah so that was one of the most staggering facts of the whole movie i thought but we we just came back from the uh arnold classic and we, you know, there were some guys deadlifting.

[93] We went to this, like, pro -deadlift event.

[94] And these guys are pulling 7, 800 pounds.

[95] One guy was kind of in almost a 900 -pound range.

[96] But he ran into somebody backstage that said he just, you know, he just saw the film and he lost his son to, what, heroin, right?

[97] It started as oxy -cotton.

[98] It went to heroin.

[99] There you go.

[100] And he told me, he said, you know, I wasn't going to lift anymore.

[101] I just gave up on everything.

[102] I saw your movie, like, a couple months ago.

[103] And I said, you know what?

[104] I'm going to go deadlift at this pro -am thing.

[105] and he said, your movie made it possible for me to get over what happened to my son to realize, like, it wasn't so much his fault, right, as he thought.

[106] And so I think just stuff like that, like, he told me that, that was completely fine talking with the guy.

[107] I walked away, I just started bawling.

[108] Because I know that you can even affect one person, and that's the power of film and documentaries.

[109] That's what we're trying to do.

[110] Well, that guy's on the right track, because he said, now I feel it's my duty to help other people.

[111] And I think that's the way people need to try to look at stuff, is to try to, you know, We're here as human beings to learn from experiences, and then I think we're all put here to help each other.

[112] Well, yeah, you can definitely help.

[113] I mean, if you've lost someone like that, to reach out and find other people who have also lost people and you can help each other.

[114] And you can also maybe help someone who is maybe thinking or would go down that path and watches your documentary and says, well, there's a real danger here.

[115] Yeah, the place that I went to, Cliffside, Malibu, I have three people right now that are in rehab there, that have contacted me from watching the film.

[116] And it's really hard to get into a lot of rehabs because of insurance companies.

[117] And that's like that's another huge problem in this country is the insurance companies don't, they want to pay for, they expect somebody to be smoking, drinking, doing whatever for 30 years and on wine night in 15 days.

[118] And that's just not going to happen, you know.

[119] People need 90 days of treatment.

[120] If you're going to go to a drug rehab, you need 90 days.

[121] So you need 90 days where you're not working, 90 days where you're just staying in this place?

[122] Why is it 90 days?

[123] Well, look, think about this.

[124] You're working, right?

[125] and you're a drug addict, what productive work are you doing?

[126] Like, let the guy go for 90 days.

[127] He's going to come back a new person.

[128] I think that we have to, we have to unplug.

[129] There's no other way.

[130] I mean, I think that it just leads to an early death, you know, if we don't.

[131] That's so hard for people, though.

[132] So many people that have work that need to get money.

[133] Now, you can get out a little bit, right?

[134] Like you did, right?

[135] Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[136] I actually made this movie while I was still in rehab.

[137] So there's definitely time, you know, to do things.

[138] I think that, you know, you've got to look at it this way, like, okay, I can't.

[139] That's like almost like killing people from inside jail.

[140] Yeah.

[141] That's pretty talented.

[142] I can't take 90 days to like just completely like fix my life, you know.

[143] Right.

[144] I think, I don't know.

[145] I think time is more important, you know, to get to give the time and figure out.

[146] You did need like a full 60 though where you're pretty much total isolation, right?

[147] The first 30 days.

[148] First 30 days.

[149] Pretty much totally, you know, kind of unplugged from everybody.

[150] You just stayed up there and what do you do with your time?

[151] You're in a lot of meetings.

[152] You know, it's all like peer groups.

[153] You know, you're basically like with other people that are addicted to drugs.

[154] And I would say like probably 80 % of the people that were in rehab or prescription drug addicts.

[155] Do you know what one of the most effective methods of stopping people from doing drugs is?

[156] Ibogaine.

[157] It's a psychedelic ritual drug.

[158] Yeah.

[159] They do, you can't do it in America.

[160] It's illegal.

[161] But they have clinics in Mexico.

[162] My buddy, Ed Clay, he got hooked on pills.

[163] and he had a real problem with the same thing pain pills and was really despondent and fucked up went down there did an ibegain ceremony and uh came back 100 % clean and now he runs a clinic down there any idea what that does for you like well it's do something of your brain we could google it but there's there's some sort of an effect that it does where literally it shuts down addiction and it's deeply troublingly introspective too like it explores the darkest areas of your psyche.

[164] Wow.

[165] There's something to that.

[166] Like, I don't know anything about it.

[167] I'm hearing it for the first time, but just from what I know.

[168] This is the first time you've heard of Ibegain?

[169] Yeah, I haven't really ventured into that, into figuring that out.

[170] But, um, wow.

[171] I've never heard of it.

[172] You know, like that's a crazy.

[173] That's a great thing about doing these documentaries.

[174] Like, you go and you meet other interesting people like yourself and you pick up more knowledge.

[175] Now that's something else.

[176] Like, okay, what is this, you know, and go look into that.

[177] So, but what you're saying makes a lot of sense because it all, it's all in the brain, you create these pathways in your brain that just basically you habituate and you do the same thing that you like.

[178] And it's the same thing with lifting weights or doing jiu -jitsu.

[179] That feels really good.

[180] I like it.

[181] I'm going to go to jujitsu again.

[182] I'm going to go to the gym again.

[183] So it definitely makes sense that it's something that will trigger something in the brain to fix it.

[184] It also, apparently, I haven't done Ibegain, but the people that I know that have had problems with pills and gone down there and done it.

[185] And also people that have also had other problematic behavior that they wanted to correct.

[186] It allows you to look at yourself literally for the first time in like a deeply introspective, almost abrasively way.

[187] Not almost, but very abrasively.

[188] And that it looks at every aspect of your personality.

[189] And that's a huge part of rehab.

[190] You have to be honest with yourself.

[191] If you're not honest with yourself, you'll never get better.

[192] No, I'm sure.

[193] I'm sure.

[194] People that are bullshitting and lying and, you know, and that's why one of the reasons why it's so important to hit rock bottom, right?

[195] Yeah, I used to say I can stop any day.

[196] My girlfriend said, well, stop.

[197] And I said, okay, and I stopped for seven days.

[198] And after seven days, I took pills and drank more than I ever did in my entire life.

[199] Because it was like building up.

[200] Yeah, I was like, yeah, exactly.

[201] I ended up in the hospital.

[202] And my girlfriend called my brother, and he was the one.

[203] He's like, hey, just get him here.

[204] Like, he was in Sacramento.

[205] He said, just get him here.

[206] I actually just moved.

[207] That was crazy.

[208] Like, just to get, I got a random phone call in the middle of the night.

[209] I don't normally answer my phone all that much.

[210] And just, you know, I just randomly picked it up for some reason.

[211] And it was from Philadelphia or something, Pennsylvania, right?

[212] They call it to where she's from originally.

[213] And she was just in a total panic.

[214] I couldn't understand, you know, what she was even talking about.

[215] I didn't even know who it was.

[216] She's like, this is Lauren.

[217] And I'm like, well, I don't know any chicks.

[218] I'm married.

[219] You know, so I'm like, you know, I don't know who it is.

[220] And then it took me a while.

[221] Then I finally heard her say, you know, Chris's girlfriend.

[222] And I was like, oh, shit, you know, what the fuck?

[223] Is this like the second call?

[224] Am I losing another brother?

[225] What the fuck's going on here?

[226] And then she started to calm down.

[227] And she said, people don't know, you're, you lost, both of you guys lost your older brother to drug abuse.

[228] Right.

[229] Mad Dog.

[230] A lot of people say, uh, after they see bigger, stronger, faster, which was the first film that featured my family in it, uh, everybody asks about Mad Dog.

[231] Because everybody in that, after watching that film worried about him.

[232] And a lot of times, they don't even know that he passed away.

[233] Yeah.

[234] And in blindsides, some days you're fine handling it because I feel like it's our obligation to kind of talk about it to help other people.

[235] but sometimes you're just not ready for it.

[236] A blindsides you and it just fucking hurts.

[237] Yeah.

[238] Like this week at the Arnold Classic, there were so many things that reminded me of my brother because he grew up in the wrestling, bodybuilding, you know.

[239] He loved that shit.

[240] He didn't be eating that shit up.

[241] And then his best friend, Jeff Lieboldt, showed up at Mark's booth.

[242] Mark had a booth there selling all his products.

[243] And he shows up and it just gives you it like, we love Jeff.

[244] He's great.

[245] But it gives you that feeling like, man, this is my brother's best friend.

[246] My brother's not here to enjoy this.

[247] You know, tugs of your heart a little bit.

[248] And it's hard to talk to him about it.

[249] You know, if I bring up Mike's name, you know, Jeff gets upset.

[250] And we don't, you know, we just, we're just trying to deal with this tragedy.

[251] And I was dealing with it in the wrong way.

[252] I was burying my feelings with drugs and alcohol.

[253] His girlfriend saved his life, though.

[254] She called me and she said, you know, I don't know what to do.

[255] I don't know how I'm going to find him.

[256] I'm outside his apartment now.

[257] And I said, well, you're the only person there that he has.

[258] That's like, you know, that's kind of like family.

[259] I was like, you need to go inside the apartment, make sure he doesn't have any keys and just make sure he's alive you know and checking on him so she did all that she made sure he was okay he was luckily he was okay but he was just passed out and uh then my wife and i came together and just devised a plan that figure out you know how the fuck do we get him to sacramento you know what are we going to do like so we were talking about it and i was like well if i just book a flight for him he's not going to come probably like tomorrow morning he's not going to feel fine and be like all right Got an 8 a .m. flight, you know.

[260] I'll tell you, like, going through it, I feel so fragile now.

[261] Like, I'm a completely different person.

[262] After going through that, it humbles the shit out of you.

[263] It makes you just feel like, like, I feel really fragile.

[264] Sometimes I don't know how to deal with people or how to talk to people because I'm just completely different than I was before I went through it.

[265] So it's just in a couple of years.

[266] About five years, yeah, being on pills.

[267] And it probably felt indestructible when I was doing it.

[268] And now I feel so vulnerable.

[269] And I don't know why that is, but it's something that I think is definitely a warning to anybody out there that's, you know, think of getting on prescription drugs or having prescription drugs pushed on them from their doctor.

[270] Remember the Advil and the Tylenol works better than opiate painkillers and people can look that up.

[271] And you don't walk away from it feeling like I feel.

[272] I know this guy who has a back injury and he was always, he always was weird.

[273] I was always trying to figure out what what his deal was.

[274] It always just seemed awkward, but socially, like, I don't want, not like inappropriate, but like almost fearless, like oblivious and clumsy.

[275] And I was always like, what the fuck is going on with this guy?

[276] And we were trying to figure it out.

[277] Like there's something, there's something going on.

[278] And then one day he goes, hey, what's going on with this cryotherapy thing?

[279] You started to ask me about cryotherapy.

[280] I said, well, it's really good for reducing information.

[281] It helps a lot with people with arthritis.

[282] is it's great for it helps your body kickstart its production of collagen it's really good for a lot of things I like it for the anti -inflammation benefits like why what do you what do you think of myself I got this back problem I've had for years and then it clicked I go oh you're on pills this guy's on pills all right as a motherfucker because he would be like hey how are you guys doing what's going on over here how's everybody it wasn't like that you know sometimes people are friendly but they're like you're okay with me and friendly.

[283] You know, it's like a little touch and go.

[284] They're figuring it out.

[285] This guy was just full speed ahead.

[286] He didn't know how loud he was and shit.

[287] No, he was piled up, man. It was, we were together with a bunch of other friends that we know.

[288] He was just, it was odd.

[289] We were trying to figure it out.

[290] Like, not a bad guy.

[291] Yeah.

[292] But just, just weird, like, almost like I was envious, like, why is this guy so confident?

[293] Yeah, why is so?

[294] What the hell's wrong with it?

[295] He's in fucking outer space.

[296] No, these people, he's asking, well, so weird.

[297] You guys.

[298] go.

[299] Was it good?

[300] It looks good.

[301] Look, and you had a good time.

[302] All right.

[303] How about you over here?

[304] It was weird.

[305] I was always trying to figure out what was going on with this guy.

[306] And then once he approached me, started asking me about the cryotherapy thing and how, because I do it all the time.

[307] And he started slowly revealing that he's had like pretty traumatic back surgery or back injuries.

[308] The thing that was great for me that happened doing bigger, stronger, faster and doing this movie is you become almost like a priest where people come to you and confess and so everybody comes out of the woodwork you made a movie he said hey i do pills or hey i take steroids big deal you know and you and you talk about what happened and what the effects were and what the negative effects were and people just come up to you and say hey man i've had a pill problem for 20 years you know and you're like that's that's how these people got into rehab yeah they they called me uh i actually uh a kid that worked on the movie uh he worked on the The president of the company's, like, you know, a brother.

[309] And he was the one that called me and said, hey, look, I know I worked on your movie and everything.

[310] I have a problem, though.

[311] You know, after I saw the movie, I just need to fix it.

[312] What do I do?

[313] Isn't it incredible that these fucking people that are running for president, not a single one has brought any of this shit up?

[314] We're talking about a massive epidemic where people are dropping like flies.

[315] People are being addicted.

[316] It's not sexy probably things to talk about.

[317] It's a dark thing to talk about.

[318] Even watch the movie is kind of a dark thing to get into.

[319] It's not just that.

[320] It's that they can't talk about it because then they'll face repercussion from the pharmaceutical industry.

[321] I think Donald Trump is the only person that can talk about it.

[322] I hope he does.

[323] I hope he does, too.

[324] I think it's Donald Trump's responsibility.

[325] Donald Trump are calling you out right here.

[326] We're calling you out, Donald.

[327] I know you're kind of a goofy fuck.

[328] I know you're listening.

[329] I'll swear I'll vote for you if you say something about this.

[330] He's listening.

[331] Bell brothers are on.

[332] He's into it.

[333] I think he's kind of busy.

[334] But, you know, I think that that's a big problem is one of the biggest problems of this country is special interest because it doesn't matter what it is.

[335] Like there's all these special interests, including the, corn industry trying to push high fructose corn syrup on everything you're looking there like there's a sugar lobby there's a corn lobby there's a lobby for everything and it just uh twists the truth around and makes people you know maybe you know vote for things that they maybe wouldn't it's interesting though that that statistic that when they changed the oxycontin when they changed the formula where you couldn't crush it and smoke it they lost 80 % of their profit at least that tells us that some people are looking out in the right direction right absolutely They're doing so because of things like your documentary, and it's one of the most important things about doing a documentary like that.

[336] It starts this conversation, and people start talking about it, and they start comparing notes, and they start realizing, like, wow, these are people that I know, people around me. This is a giant issue.

[337] I have to say, like, in my movie, a lot of people wanted me to give more answers.

[338] What's the solution?

[339] I'm like, I don't really have a solution.

[340] This is a giant problem that we need to talk about and come up with, you know, bigger solutions.

[341] because I'm just a documentary filmmaker.

[342] I'm just telling you what happened in my life.

[343] I'm not trying to run for president.

[344] I'm not trying to make a law about this.

[345] I'm just like, hey, man, this is a big problem.

[346] What are we supposed to do about it?

[347] And that's what I think, that's collectively as a country we come up with what the solution is.

[348] There's a real problem in that these people that sell these things are making ungodly amounts of money.

[349] When you showed that seminar that they had where they were all talking about, you know, you guys are going to make insane amounts of money.

[350] And they're just openly talking about how they're drug pet pushers.

[351] I'll tell you something right here.

[352] I actually wrote this down.

[353] This drug, it's called Avandia.

[354] It was for diabetes, right?

[355] And so they're giving this drug to all these people with diabetes, and they're dropping dead.

[356] One third of the people that were prescribed a drug were dying from it, right?

[357] And so what it was was a drug for diabetes that actually gave you a heart attack.

[358] And most of the people that have diabetes, that's the number one cause of death, right?

[359] So when you look at that, you go, okay, well, how did this company get away with it?

[360] Well, when they made the drug, they packed away $6 billion in an account just to basically, you know, they put $6 billion away because they knew they were going to get sued.

[361] And they ended up getting sued only for $3 billion.

[362] Like, oh, okay, cool.

[363] But they made like $20 billion on the drug.

[364] It's ridiculous the things that are going on that are getting covered up and nobody's talking about.

[365] Like in the film, I don't know if you saw that drug that was made in the United States.

[366] It was tainted with AIDS.

[367] It was tainted with the AIDS virus.

[368] And they said, you know what?

[369] Well, we can't lose this big batch of drugs.

[370] let's send it to France I don't understand that though how does the AIDS virus get in a yeah what is that what is the AIDS virus you're talking about HIV I have no idea I have no idea but that's what the news report says I know but that news report was all grainy it was from 1985 they might not know what the fuck they were talking about no it definitely was something that that one was a head scratcher I actually have a guy there's a guy that works out at Mark's gym just got his Ph .D and he was going to go work for the company, Bear, that was the company that sold, they make Bear aspirin and everything.

[371] That's the company that did it, and that was one of the things he was talking about.

[372] He's like, I don't know if I want to work for a company like that.

[373] Yeah, we need to snopes that, though.

[374] You didn't snopes that before you put it in the documentary?

[375] Actually, yes, we have a big team.

[376] Taste a few of those to make sure they don't have AIDS.

[377] When we do these documentaries, we have.

[378] Look at this.

[379] We have a team of people, have fact check everything.

[380] Make that a little larger, please?

[381] Here we goes.

[382] Recently unearthed documents show that the drug company Bear sold millions of dollars worth of injectable blood clotting medicine, factor 8 concentrate, intended for hemophiliacs to Asian, Latin American, and some European countries in the mid -1980s, although they knew it was tainted with AIDS.

[383] See, that's what I understand.

[384] Taint and AIDS go together.

[385] That makes sense to me. How dare you.

[386] This article is 10 years ago.

[387] It says the company stopped selling the drug in the United States in 1984, but continued to sell it overseas for an additional year.

[388] the medicine was made using combined, oh, okay, plasma from large numbers of donors.

[389] And at the time, there was no screening test for the AIDS virus.

[390] So a tiny number of donors with AIDS could inadvertently contaminate a large batch.

[391] Whoa.

[392] They continued to sell the medicine overseas in an attempt to avoid being left with a large stock of a drug that was no longer marketable in the United States.

[393] Well, you know, that's what they also did with that AIDS medication.

[394] What is that stuff that was fucking killing everybody?

[395] AZT.

[396] AZT was initially a chemotherapy medication, but it was killing cancer patients quicker than the cancer was.

[397] And they pushed that through because the AIDS epidemic was so huge.

[398] They pushed that through so fast.

[399] And then they knew it wasn't working, and they kept pushing, pushing, pushing.

[400] Not just not working.

[401] It was fucking killing people.

[402] Yeah, absolutely.

[403] And they used to call AIDS the gay cancer.

[404] That's what they thought it was at one point in time.

[405] You know, the whole thing is just disgusting.

[406] It's so terrifying when you think of a company that's valuing money at such a high level that they're willing to do something like that and ship this tainted drug to these other kinds.

[407] I don't even know these people.

[408] Just send it over there.

[409] Fuck, France.

[410] Yeah, exactly.

[411] It's just crazy.

[412] And they're still in business.

[413] And the thing is, they market to the doctors so much.

[414] Yeah.

[415] They spend like $5 billion on marketing us and like $25 billion marketing to the doctors.

[416] So they're telling the doctors to like push these drugs and push these treatments on people.

[417] And if you look at the statistics of like Medicare, there's like 30 ,000 people every year that die from treatments that they didn't even need.

[418] And that's a fact.

[419] That's like a Medicare fact.

[420] It's like why are we how are we giving people medicine that they don't need that's killing them?

[421] It makes no sense.

[422] You know, it's all because of money.

[423] And they don't really know what the medicines will do to people and they just keep giving it, giving it, giving it.

[424] How harmful are some of the other drugs like the Restless Leg syndrome and like I saw one of the, other day that said they have a medication for if you laugh too much or if you cry so much or whatever.

[425] If you smoke pot, take this truck.

[426] Yeah, they have.

[427] Restless leg syndrome, is that bullshit?

[428] Like, what is that?

[429] I actually have experienced that because I've had, like, surgery.

[430] I have, like, weird circulation things.

[431] But I feel, I guess, right?

[432] Well, I feel like what happens is, like, it's on days I had too much caffeine or too much sugar.

[433] It's like, I feel it's like something that's, like, self -induced.

[434] but it actually is something that is rare you know it's very rare but it's it's something that they advertise and you know so it only would happen if there was external things involved for me yeah i don't know i don't know if you know if it's completely like surgeries and stuff here's the thing though a lot of things aren't completely a myth like a lot of things maybe affect like 0 .000 or 01 % of the population go how do i get that to affect you know 30 % of the population well i advertise the shit out of it and make people feel like they have restless leg syndrome so i'll get all the caffeine addicts i'll get all the sugar addicts and you know let's go yeah it's market it to those people you know you know another thing that's really controversial that you touched on in your documentary that um i think is a really important thing to discuss is depression you know depression depression depression is a big one man it's a big one because it's so hard to lock down whether or not this is a is it a medical condition or is it just a a state of your life right now is it you reacting to all the negative the doctors doctor to tell too what to do is really hard as a friend going through like rehab and I feel great and I turn on like how do you feel buddy you know I'm trying to help these people too and we're all helping each other right and they're like oh I'm depressed about what we're we're in we're you know in Malibu we're in a beautiful place and they're just depressed and you don't you can't understand it I think it's something that um we just don't know enough enough about and enough how to treat it and I think we treat it with pills that make you a zombie so you just don't feel it and you never face it.

[435] stuff that causes more depression even like alcohol and stuff like that there's also all sorts of other factors involved like what are you doing with your life like how much of your life is spent doing productive enjoyable things what kind of support group do you have as far as your friends are your friends like really happy really healthy people are you engaging in a lot of physical activity are you eating healthy are you getting enough rest are you drinking enough water all those things are a big fact huge do you are you doing what you want to do with your life it's hard to explain to.

[436] I have a friend that has an awesome family.

[437] He's got a ton of money.

[438] He's got everything that you could see from the outside that we might want as a human being.

[439] Right.

[440] Oh, that's really cool.

[441] He's got it.

[442] He can do whatever he wants, right?

[443] Beautiful wife, great kids, but he's depressed.

[444] And I'm like, I have no idea how to help that.

[445] Like zero, you know, other than like he needs to go see a therapist.

[446] And that's like kind of the only way that you can treat it because I think like us as friends don't just don't understand it.

[447] Well, I think there's no one answer that works with everybody.

[448] Right.

[449] I think some people really suffer with any sort of balance, you know.

[450] Sometimes people get these extreme highs and extreme lows, but it's hard for them to, like, ride it out in the middle.

[451] We've heard before, like, from our friends that, like, wrestle, you know, that they'll get this huge high, much like yourself going out in front of a big audience, get everybody all fucking fired up, be funny as hell.

[452] And then you've got to go home, and your wife's like, you didn't take out the garbage.

[453] It's, like, hard to go back to being a dad and have a normal role in the household because there's no, like, fans cheering for you.

[454] So I think a lot of those guys, the ups and down.

[455] are so wild form that they but but it's it's also you know it's it makes it 10 times worse because they're doing a lot of drugs you know so the highs and lows are even amplified even more not only that but there's also a lot of trauma going on with their body and their brain and i think that plays a giant factor in it i just i really do i know a lot of people that have had a lot of physical trauma and they have a almost all of them have a hard time with depression but being happy is a choice i think you know he and i talk about this kind of stuff all the time and i've seen people that have their fucking legs blown off for more and they got the biggest fucking smile on their face we've seen some people in some pretty shitty situations that have he has a guy at his gym this guy Bryce he's trying to figure out how to deadlift with one leg he doesn't have a prosthetic leg he's trying to figure out a deadlift like one and he's all the way up yeah he's all the way up by the hip so he can't a prosthetic can kind of work but not really you know right right but yeah we've seen people in all kinds of shitty situations and and they still got to they're still fucking smile and they're still finding other things to live for whether it's lifting weights or or doing, you know, fucking climbing rocks or whatever the hell it is they're doing, uh, just like you said, doing some productive shit.

[456] Pursuing enjoyable activities is a big one.

[457] Pursuing something that you really have a passion for, like as a career is another big one.

[458] I think there's a lot of people that feel that soul -sucking grind of a day -to -five doing something they hate is just unbelievably taxing on their happiness.

[459] As like being a filmmaker, every film I've done, I've done three of them that I've directed and one of them that I produce is.

[460] Every time it's about like raising.

[461] the money and getting going.

[462] And it's just so hard.

[463] And it's a, I would get depressed in between projects.

[464] So I'd have like these great highs.

[465] A bigger, stronger, faster came out.

[466] It's at Sundance Film Festival.

[467] Everybody's talking about.

[468] It's 96 % on Rotten Tomatoes.

[469] I'm up here.

[470] Then I got to go get money to make the next movie.

[471] And I'm down here because I'm broke.

[472] I have no money.

[473] You don't make a lot of money on these things.

[474] And it's just an up and down business.

[475] And then, uh, but at least you're doing it for you.

[476] Sure.

[477] And after, but after all of it, after all said and done, because it's not about the money.

[478] It's about for me, doing something awesome, you know, at the end of the day, I talked to my brother after I got sober.

[479] And he said, you know what, man, your biggest problem is you don't need anybody.

[480] You've done it all yourself already.

[481] Why do you need anybody?

[482] You don't need anybody to help you.

[483] Just keep doing what you're doing.

[484] And that's like, that gave me so much confidence.

[485] And you're to empower yourself.

[486] You know, you need to empower yourself and build confidence.

[487] Confidence is huge in depression.

[488] You know, like I'm not depressed anymore.

[489] I don't feel, I don't have a project right now.

[490] I don't have money for a project now, but I don't care because it's like, Yeah, we'll get it.

[491] We'll do it.

[492] We've done it before, you know.

[493] So I think that building your own confidence is big in getting over the depression.

[494] There's got to be a certain amount of depression that's allowed, too.

[495] You know, something terrible happens.

[496] You've got to allow for some of that.

[497] You know, you've got to allow for some of that to come in and just to happen.

[498] Even not even terrible.

[499] Like, for me, I'll fuck up one joke on a killer set where I get a standing ovation.

[500] And that one joke will fuck my head up, man. I would just, I'll just be driving home going, fuck!

[501] I'll sit at home.

[502] I'll go over it.

[503] Yeah, what about Ronda Rousey, you know, after the loss, you know, what she said on Ellen DeGeneres.

[504] To me, that was the coolest fucking thing that woman has ever done.

[505] That was really neat to me. Like, I'm a huge fan of hers anyway.

[506] I think she's amazing, but that was fucking awesome to kind of hear her just lay it, lay it all in the line and say.

[507] There's a lot going on there on top of that.

[508] There's also, like, head trauma.

[509] Right, right.

[510] You get knocked out like that.

[511] You're going to be depressed.

[512] Yeah.

[513] There's just no way around it.

[514] Not just the fact that she was the highest of highs as far as celebrities go.

[515] and then she just got shit on all over social media.

[516] I mean, I read just a few of the things that people pointed in her direction.

[517] Social media really blasts people, all the memes and all the crazy shit.

[518] Like, people are, you know, they're probably just not even thinking.

[519] And we all have fun with different stuff, but...

[520] They're trying to be funny, you know?

[521] Yeah, it's trying to be clever.

[522] Yeah, I mean, and some of it is fun.

[523] You just can't, you can't look at it if you're Rhonda.

[524] Right.

[525] I mean, that's also part of what comes with being that huge.

[526] Right.

[527] Like, Connor McGregor kind of handled it.

[528] I saw on your Instagram.

[529] He said, hey, this is the best way to handle the feet.

[530] He handled it like a fucking man. He went out there.

[531] He put a picture of him strutting with a nice suit on.

[532] And he said, I went out there and I took a shot.

[533] I will not apologize.

[534] I will not stop being me. And then he wrote Dosanjos, you are a pussy.

[535] Aldo, you are a pussy.

[536] I love that guy.

[537] Right back to talking shit.

[538] Yeah, exactly.

[539] It's what made him.

[540] And he's going right back to it.

[541] And the thing is, if he loses more fights or whatever, that might get worse and he might go away.

[542] but if he doesn't you know you become like a legend forever you know well he'll get better he'll get better and he'll learn and you know that's but that's beside the point i think um lows like you said are important because what what a bad feeling does what for me someone is really hard on themselves if i'll screw up one thing and it really drives me nuts that what that does is that motivates me to be more focused and more intense and pay more attention to what i'm doing and if i don't do that I will feel that same thing again, you know?

[543] And there's like a certain amount of, like, those bad feelings where things go wrong that you just got to accept in your life, you know, like breakups.

[544] Breakups are devastating for people, you know, like when someone breaks up with you, sometimes you feel like they stole a part of you.

[545] They stole some of your happiness.

[546] It's a huge investment to be in a relationship with somebody.

[547] Oh, my God.

[548] But you've got to realize when that's over, when that breakup's over.

[549] Like, hey, man, like, this is, this gives you an opportunity to move on.

[550] and to get your life in order better, and to look at yourself, be by yourself for a while and understand how much you value a healthy relationship.

[551] He's had a lot of good ones.

[552] Got some bad ones?

[553] Yeah.

[554] He had a girl call him up and say, we can't date anymore because I have cancer.

[555] Bye.

[556] That's it?

[557] Yeah, and it was over.

[558] Did she actually have cancer?

[559] No. No. It's a big lie.

[560] It's part of his whole guy's got nothing story.

[561] Yeah, I got nothing.

[562] I mean, how else is she going to get rid of you?

[563] Yeah, that was the easiest way, you know.

[564] What else could she say, listen, you're just not fun.

[565] Yeah, you're fat and ugly.

[566] It's better than saying you've got a small dick, you know.

[567] I guess.

[568] I have cancer, bye.

[569] It's not that bad.

[570] But, you know, those are important.

[571] You don't want to be with that person anyway.

[572] If that's how they feel about you, you got to find the person that really likes you.

[573] Or you got to figure out how to become someone who people like.

[574] And that's part of the struggle of developing as a human being, too.

[575] That's a rut that some people never get out of.

[576] Some people, they get into this rut, like in high school, like in dating, in high school and college, and they fucking never get out of that.

[577] They're always in combative, shitty relationships forever, and they never pause and reset.

[578] They never have, like, a relationship rehab.

[579] It takes a lot of strength to walk away from anything that you have invested time in, right?

[580] Yeah, I mean, even shitty relationships, at least they have familiarity to them.

[581] I think, you know, Rhonda Rousey, she said, if I'm not this, then what am I?

[582] Like, to me, that was a huge statement, you know, that people are always being defined by, other people you got to be defined by yourself it's got to come it's got to come internal it's got to be hard for her because she is such a megastar and she is known as a fighter she's known as you know the most dominant female fighter of all time so it's also it's also like that kind of success like that kind of love and notoriety is so unnatural so unnatural it's so strange it's like almost like the oxycontent of achievement it's not real yeah it's a good way to look at it you're when you're you're achieving something athletically it's not as simple as like, say like the Bech -Koha fight, which is probably like her highlight.

[583] She goes down to Brazil.

[584] She gets cheered.

[585] She fights this girl, knocks her out in the first round, struts around like a peacock.

[586] The whole world's cheering for.

[587] She's on top of the world.

[588] Everything.

[589] But what actually really happened?

[590] Well, what actually really happened was there's two people and they're engaging in an activity.

[591] And one person is better at that activity than the other person.

[592] And only better by like a hair or a margin.

[593] Like this one person is more.

[594] of a brawler and she's much more nervous and she makes mistakes and then the other person is better under pressure and she connects with better shots and then the other person gets hit on the button and goes down like the actual actual events of what happened are not that big of a deal right i mean it happens in gyms all across the world but the fact that it's on this big stage the fact that so many eyes are on it that moment gets magnified so the result gets magnified so it becomes this really unnatural state where everybody loves loves you for this brief moment and you're walking around there, yeah, glory, glory also comes with the potential, any high comes with the potential of a corresponding low.

[595] I mean, there's just no way around it.

[596] It's exactly the thing that killed our brother was that he constantly wanted to be in the WWE, constantly wanted to be something.

[597] And when people told him like, hey, you're getting too old for this or you're not in shape enough for this, like he couldn't really handle that.

[598] that was a big part of his depression was he was trying to be defined by this wrestling league that only gives very few people a shot and those people have either really earned it or they knew somebody or whatever and got in and he was always trying to get to that and and my dad says even if he did get to it I think he still would have went the same way because he wouldn't he would went the other way he wouldn't like crazy because he had money and he had fame and whatever you know well a lot of times it's the way you look at life like the parameters that you set for your life.

[599] If those parameters are fucked up, it's going to make your life fucked up no matter what you get involved in.

[600] And that's something that you find with some people, some people that are happy and they become successful, they can be happy and successful in pretty much everything they do.

[601] They have good parameters.

[602] They set up good behavior patterns.

[603] And the people that have bad behavior patterns are self -destructive behavior patterns, those things repeat themselves over and over again, even when they get on a roll.

[604] Like I have friends that I know they get on a role, everything's going good, but I know they're going to fuck up.

[605] It's just, just a matter of time and then one day you'll see them and they're drinking again like i thought you quit drinking uh you know my man my fucking my fucking my girl left and like uh i'm just right now i don't want to hear it man and aren't you you're you're in a business comedy right that a lot of people are kind of like that right like kind of uh kind of miserable kind of like that's why they they make fun of things because how do you deal that do you uh like kind of avoid maybe hanging out with some of those people or yeah my friends are all pretty happy i mean i've had friends that have had problems with depression, have helped some friends that had problems.

[606] I had a buddy who got depressed because he was taking propitia.

[607] Something you should be concerned with folks if you're losing your hair.

[608] First of all, shave your head.

[609] It's the greatest thing I ever do.

[610] I love it.

[611] It makes it easy.

[612] Oh, it's glorious.

[613] I love it.

[614] I feel like anybody who won't fuck you because your head shaved, you don't want to fuck them anyway because you're barely getting them to fuck you.

[615] You're barely hanging in there.

[616] They don't like you that much.

[617] They only fuck you because you have hair.

[618] Right.

[619] But my friend was taken propitia and he was getting seriously depressed and he didn't connect the two of them together and you know I got him to a psychiatrist and helped him out and he actually was he benefited from psych drugs because those psych drugs got him happy and weaned him off and got him on point got his life in order and then once his life got in order he weaned himself off those things and also exactly the right way to use them yeah you're not depressed forever right I mean he also got off that fucking propitia shit and it's not for everybody I took propitia for a while it didn't make me depressed but a lot of people make some impotent like yes it definitely did that we didn't didn't kill my dick but it beat the shit out of it yeah so it's like hey hey now you have hair now you have hair it's not exciting actually but you can't get it up right yeah you well it's it doesn't keep you from getting it up but it's definitely not the same and I didn't even realize it was until I make your pub is big and your dick smaller my um no my prescription ran out and uh I was like I gotta get to the doctor and refill my prescription all of something I've got this raging boner all the time like what's going to going on down here?

[620] What the other?

[621] And then I went, oh, my God, it's the propitia.

[622] Like, this is what my dick's supposed to be like.

[623] Oh, this is ridiculous.

[624] Yeah, getting off this shit.

[625] Shaped my head.

[626] You went out and bobbeds.

[627] I quit propitia long before I shaved my head.

[628] But it was that my friend going through that was really scary because he was, you know, he was really, really depressed.

[629] And it was like, I was like, shit.

[630] Like, I got to figure out a way to help this guy because this is not who he normally is.

[631] Normally he would be like happy and joking.

[632] Like comics are all kind of fucked up in a way and that they're performers, they see things fucked up.

[633] And they usually, usually when you're getting on stage, the reason why you're doing in the first place is you're compensating for something that's missing.

[634] Like a lack of attention you got when you were young or a lack of self -esteem and you're trying to make up for it by your performances on stage.

[635] And you're trying to get the audience to like you.

[636] It's almost like a hustle in a way.

[637] And the reward, if you can come up.

[638] up with jokes and routines that are good enough to get the people to laugh.

[639] You get them to feel good and then that becomes your new self -esteem.

[640] It's a real tricky trap.

[641] Do you think for yourself you don't really fit the mold or do you?

[642] I definitely don't fit all the molds, but I fit some of the molds.

[643] You know, I mean, the same mold that got me into martial arts was the same mold that got me in a comedy.

[644] And the mold that got me into martial arts was feeling like I was a loser, feeling like nobody gave a shit about me and that everybody doubted me and then I just didn't have anybody to count on and I was always worried about getting my ass kicked I'm like fuck this I gotta figure out how to fight and I wasn't a big guy yeah you know I'm only 5 '8 so I was this like short kid and you know in high school like when I started I was even shorter so I was like fuck man I gotta learn how to fight and I just was tired of feeling scared but it was the same thing it was like I was looking for something that I was good at to boost up my self -esteem I was the short kid and And, you know, lifting for me, like, I bench pressed 315 in, you know, 11th grade, and then 405 by the time I was a senior, and I was blowing people away.

[645] And the same with Mark.

[646] He benched 315 pounds in ninth grade, and he was dyslexic and learning disabled and all these things.

[647] So, like, that gave us confidence, you know.

[648] Well, sometimes, you know, the deficits that you achieve or that you experience in life, they can help you if you can get through them.

[649] If you can get over that, if you can get over those hump, they can give you motivation and fuel.

[650] That's why kids that are.

[651] born rich and privileged and live in a big ass house and they get everything they want they very rarely have the drive to accomplish great things because a lot of times that drive comes from that feeling of poverty or that feeling of loss or that feeling of just being lonely and depressed and like you get motivated to go out there and make your mark like the film you did uh trophy kids you know like there's uh all these kids you know with these parents paying thousands of dollars for these kids to go to these special camps and stuff like that and the best athletes in the world how their parents just take a hike on them, usually, or die.

[652] Yeah, one of the other, or sometimes just divorce or something.

[653] Mark was coaching football one time.

[654] I'll never forget this.

[655] And a parent came to him and said, how do I make my kid great at football?

[656] And he said, drop him off in the ghetto.

[657] You know, that's how you're going to make him good.

[658] He's got to be mad.

[659] Yeah, he's got to be.

[660] Some aggressiveness and some, like, kids got to be angry.

[661] And then also, too, like, you know, when someone's coming to you at, like, you know, 16 or 17 years old and they're talking about, hey, like, it'd be great to see him get like a Division I scholarship.

[662] It's like, you would already, you would already know.

[663] Yeah.

[664] We would have known at like...

[665] We would have known at 11, probably, you know, like the kid's just a mutant and he's that much bigger and stronger than everybody and he just stands out all the time on everything.

[666] One of my wife's friends has a five -year -old son and this little motherfucker, I pulled her aside.

[667] He takes martial arts and I pulled her aside.

[668] I go, that kid is an athlete.

[669] Yeah.

[670] Like he just, he knows how to use his body.

[671] Like if he stays with this, if he's really interested in this, he's going to be a bad motherfucker.

[672] Like, you could tell.

[673] At five, at five, the way he does cartwheels, the way he balances himself, the way he can shift positions.

[674] I'm like, if I had that little kid, if I could coach that little kid, I can make him a motherfucker if he would listen.

[675] I think that's what happened with, like, trophy kids is it all starts with good intentions.

[676] Like, you get excited about this five -year -old.

[677] But what about when he's eight?

[678] He says, you know what, Joe, I don't want to do jiu -jitsu anymore.

[679] I don't want to do martial arts.

[680] And you've got to let him go.

[681] You got to let him go, is right, but a lot of parents don't let them go.

[682] Yeah, but those people are crazy.

[683] Well, that's why it's good you did that documentary.

[684] Those people are crazy.

[685] Because that kid might be an awesome guitarist.

[686] He might give up on jujitsu and become this amazing musician.

[687] He might become a writer.

[688] He might just decide that he loves exercise just for fun, but what he really enjoys doing is something else.

[689] He wants to be a doctor.

[690] Who the fuck knows?

[691] But no one knows so many different people.

[692] You've got to figure out what it is in you that you like to express with what you do for living.

[693] And if you could figure that out, man, that is the fucking thing.

[694] If you can find something that you enjoy doing, it is the thing.

[695] I always thought I wanted to be in front of the camera.

[696] I just thought I wanted to be an actor or do whatever.

[697] And I was always like short and fat.

[698] You know, I was like, well, that's not going to happen unless I'm in, you know, God.

[699] You could be a neighbor.

[700] Yeah, so my.

[701] Yeah.

[702] Alfred Hitchcock was in front of the camera.

[703] He wasn't that pretty.

[704] Well, you're in front of the camera, you know, in the documentary.

[705] I am somewhat.

[706] And that kind of happened by accident.

[707] I wasn't trying to be in front of the camera, though.

[708] You're you.

[709] you're wearing the same fucking clothes you wear you talk the way you talk you know like my wife even as my wife goes is it the guy who makes the documentaries you get with the backwards baseball hat on yeah it's weird right why is he dressed like that I go because that's how he dresses all the time yeah okay that makes sense like that's who you are that's who you are that's how you dress it's good it's a good thing yeah same all the time yeah well you don't have to bullshit anybody I think there was a couple interviews in bigger stronger faster where I went into like the senator I'm wearing a suit you know I just figured like right that's probably appropriate but like other other times i was interviewing a lawyer and i dress up a little bit more and i look back at i'm like why did i do that like well it's not a bad idea when you're interviewing a senator or something like that well present you're something i'm saying yes some of the other people they'll take you a little more seriously and they like i've had conversations with people on the podcast like especially early on the career where they kind of like a little dismissive of me because maybe i had like a t -shirt on that was stupid tattoos and shit like weed like whatever yeah they just assume that i'm an idiot you know and so we Yeah, they would be dismissive initially, and I was like, hmm, probably should have set this up better.

[710] Like, if I had an office that looked real nice and the desk was like, this desk is a mess right now.

[711] But if I, was that in front of something that looked more professional, maybe they would approach this with a little more professional attitude as well.

[712] So you're showing up with a suit, not necessarily a bad idea.

[713] I don't think it's a bad idea.

[714] I'm just saying that, like, some of the other interviews where I wasn't, you know, I wasn't being me and I knew it.

[715] You felt hard.

[716] I felt weird, and that should have been me, yeah.

[717] Well, you know, it's, I guess it's, there's only, the only bad way to do it when you're doing something like what you're doing is to do something where you don't like what you're doing.

[718] Because it's your work, you know, like these documentaries are your creation.

[719] I also think that you don't go confront people.

[720] You go ask all the right questions and you give a, give a person enough rope and they hang themselves.

[721] That happens every single time.

[722] Yeah, and well, especially if they're full of shit.

[723] Yeah.

[724] It's magical.

[725] Yeah, when you're acting yourself, you're probably getting more out of them.

[726] One of the best shows ever on television was Penn & Teller's bullshit.

[727] Oh, yeah.

[728] They would just let people ramble and talk and go.

[729] And then they would be like, okay, boom.

[730] And they would stop and they'd say, look at this bullshit, you know.

[731] That was amazing, you know.

[732] That was a great, great show.

[733] Yeah, I wonder why they stopped doing that.

[734] I guess they ran out of things of shit.

[735] They did like nine seasons of it, you know?

[736] Yeah, yeah, they did it for a pretty long time.

[737] I watched the one on PETA the other day.

[738] I'm like, oh, my God, it's amazing.

[739] Yeah.

[740] We're working on something like that.

[741] We're trying to do it in health and fitness.

[742] industry.

[743] You know, we just went to the Arnold Sports Festival and there's, you know, thousands of booths of like 80 % of it is stuff that doesn't work probably, you know?

[744] Like supplements and things like that just don't work.

[745] Well, it's amazing is how many of those supplements are steroids.

[746] Oh, yeah.

[747] Yeah, yeah, they're supposed to be steroids.

[748] Well, some of them are steroids.

[749] Yeah, yeah, for a little while until they get caught.

[750] I saw a sign that said that for a supplement says it's like testosterone on testosterone.

[751] Oh.

[752] And you're like, why are you selling that to people like that?

[753] That's not a really good message to send when, you know, little kids are buying it or, you know, whatever.

[754] What is it?

[755] What is testosterone on testosterone?

[756] It's some supplement.

[757] I'll find out for you.

[758] That sounds ridiculous.

[759] But when we had Jeff Novitsky in here, who was the guy who busted Lance Armstrong.

[760] That was a great podcast.

[761] Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker when it comes to chasing those people down.

[762] His website, the Yusada website where they show, like, all the different stuff that you'll piss hot from that you can just buy at a regular vitamin store.

[763] it's fucking crazy just just you get to the a you know it's listed alphabetically just go through a and there's fucking thousands of fucking things you know when he was on when he was on your show when he was on your show lance armstrong tweeted me yeah private message said are you listening to this shit yeah I said well what is he what is he's tough I said you should just go on there and then you had him on it was yeah well Lance was great I thought he was awesome yeah he was awesome you know he's helping Dan Bolzarian train for that bet he's got a bet Dan Belzarian is He's going to drive his...

[764] The Instagram guy, whatever, yeah.

[765] Yeah, he's going to ride his bike from L .A. to Vegas.

[766] And he has, like, I think, 36 hours to do it or something like that.

[767] Wow.

[768] And so they made a bet for 600 grand.

[769] Holy shit.

[770] So he's got to ride his bike.

[771] And as soon as the bet was announced, Lance Armstrong text me. And he's like, do you know Dan Bilsarian?

[772] I want to help him.

[773] That's so I connected those two guys together.

[774] And now Lance is helping train Dan Bils.

[775] I've actually never met, I've never met Lance Armstrong.

[776] Lance Armstrong has always been cool to me through like social media.

[777] And I think that's really cool.

[778] If you can do something, you know, one time he tweeted a bigger, stronger, faster, everybody should see this movie.

[779] I was like, hmm, that's before everything happened, you know.

[780] And, but it was cool.

[781] It's like Lance Armstrong's.

[782] Oh, way before he got busted.

[783] Yeah, I could show you the tweet.

[784] I like his, uh, I like his coach.

[785] That guy was wild.

[786] All the different shit he thought of to like try to get past all the tests.

[787] Oh, yeah, Ferrari.

[788] And then he had like his gardener.

[789] whatever like go way ahead of everybody and then and then give them shit at like pit stops and stuff I was like what are you is this real yeah well how about the fact that they were doing blood transfusions in front of everybody on the bus that was great yeah the bus broke down this weekend we were at this power lifting meet some guy comes up to mark and says well I compete in the drug free division he said no drug tested there is no drug free division it's drug tested you little bitch yeah yeah is there a single power lifter that's not doing steroids there's there's a lot of guys that are because there's a let me pull that better a single successful power lifter that's not yeah so the what the wild thing is the crazy part we were talking about this also uh is that if you just consistently do the right thing all the time like if you're hydrated all the time you get the right amount of sleep you train hard you have a lot of motivation and determination and you want to be better you can actually surpass a lot of the guys that are on shit and we see it time and time again, whether those guys are actually 100 % natural, it's hard, it's hard to fucking say.

[790] It's hard to pinpoint.

[791] Because a lot of guys lie about it, right?

[792] But I'd have to say, out of all the world records that are broken in these drug -tested federations, some of these guys have to be clear.

[793] What did Blaine Sumner just do?

[794] You know what I mean?

[795] Some of these fucking guys got to be put in.

[796] Yeah, there was a guy that just, you know, that was totally drug -tested competition.

[797] 1100 -pound squat, 8 -81 bench and an 815 deadlift?

[798] I mean, he just went off.

[799] What?

[800] 11 -pound squad.

[801] So check this out.

[802] What?

[803] Blaine Sumner.

[804] Vanilla Gorilla.

[805] Mark sponsors the world's strongest man, Brian Shaw, and he bet Brian Shaw, he couldn't pick up this 550 -pound stone and throw it over, what, a 54 -inch platform.

[806] He picked it up like it was a fucking baby.

[807] Yeah, it's on the internet.

[808] You can watch it.

[809] So Brian, Brian did that.

[810] Yeah, it's on YouTube, it's on Rogue Fitness' YouTube page.

[811] Jesus Christ.

[812] Yeah, so Brian did that, and Mark went over and said, if you could do it, I'll give you five grand.

[813] So the night before he said, what?

[814] He said, hey, are we still on with that bet or whatever?

[815] I said, it's not a bet.

[816] It's a sponsorship, first of all.

[817] But, yeah, it's, well, I said, I actually changed my mind.

[818] I'm going to make it 10 grand.

[819] Oh, my God.

[820] This guy, he throws it over that?

[821] That guy is 6 '8, 400 and...

[822] Wait a minute.

[823] Wait a minute.

[824] What am I looking at here?

[825] This is a different event.

[826] That's a giant kettlebell.

[827] Oh, my God.

[828] How heavy is that kettlebell?

[829] About 60 pounds, I think.

[830] But Brian Shaw...

[831] Oh, that's way more than 60 pounds, unless it's hollow.

[832] Brian Schwarz.

[833] Try to throw a 60 -pound kettlebell.

[834] But, but wait a minute.

[835] Hold on.

[836] Back it up.

[837] near 80.

[838] That can't be.

[839] Look how big it is.

[840] But hold on a second.

[841] They have a special implements.

[842] No, no, no. Look at the size of that kettlebell.

[843] That kettlebell has to be hollow.

[844] The way he's walking with it, might be 100.

[845] That has to be hollow.

[846] I don't think that, um, I don't think there as heavy as you.

[847] Brian Shaw is six record.

[848] There's right there.

[849] There's right there on the ground in front of you.

[850] You see that werewolf?

[851] Look over that werewolf.

[852] See that werewolf on the far left?

[853] Yeah, yeah.

[854] It's made differently.

[855] Those are different.

[856] Those are specialty things.

[857] Well, those are cast iron.

[858] Yeah, yeah.

[859] Those are specialty things that they're top of them.

[860] Those are badass.

[861] Well, the ones that he has, the only way that they could be...

[862] I'll tell you.

[863] Hold on, hold on.

[864] Rogue Fitness' YouTube channel.

[865] God, that guy's ridiculously strong.

[866] You mean, even if it's fucking...

[867] 50 pounds.

[868] He's 6 '8, 420 pounds.

[869] Jesus!

[870] Prize!

[871] You get close to him and you're like, I'm going to die.

[872] This fucking guy is...

[873] But he's a nicest guy in the world.

[874] He is very nice, but you still think he's going to kill you just because he can.

[875] I met that Robert Oberst guy.

[876] Yeah, Robert.

[877] Yeah, he's a big boy.

[878] He came down to the ice house one night.

[879] He's ridiculous.

[880] None of his clothes had...

[881] None of his shirts have sleeves.

[882] How the fuck are they going to fit?

[883] Yeah, yeah.

[884] Cut off his circulation.

[885] His hands are fall off.

[886] I don't know how these guys get on planes and shit like that.

[887] Okay.

[888] Half Thorby Ornson.

[889] Jesus Christ, look at this guy's squatting a thousand one hundred and two pounds.

[890] Yeah, it's the venal girl right there.

[891] What the fuck?

[892] Okay, now tell me he's clean.

[893] He's in a drug tested federation, so he gets, he gets blood and urine tested.

[894] Say it.

[895] That's insane.

[896] All right, Blaine, Sumner, you're lying.

[897] There you go.

[898] That's insane.

[899] I mean, I believe my guess.

[900] Okay, so this guy's a big hunter like yourself.

[901] He's like, he's in the fishing and shit like that.

[902] Does he use his teeth as you pull it out of tooth and throw it at it here?

[903] Like, look, this is the record.

[904] Throws a 45 pound plate at their head.

[905] Game of Thrones actor, Half Thor Bjornson.

[906] He's the mountain on Game of Thrones.

[907] He threw a 56 pound kettlebell over a 40 foot or 20 foot thing.

[908] And that's a world record of it, right?

[909] 20 foot thing, right?

[910] That guy's so big.

[911] So 50 foot.

[912] He's 611, 610.

[913] It's retarded how being these guys are.

[914] oh my god that's like that's the world record of it so oh my god it's not as heavy as thing but if you try to throw a 30 pound kettlebell over that thing we we would probably die doing it is here it is here's a video look at this that's a one arm swings that might be a 60 pound one 56 pounds oh my god you know that's a huge thing yeah that was a world record when he did that was pretty cool yeah this is actually cool the giant ice yeah there's a couple thousand pound deadlifts too in the world's strongest man competition they there was uh Eddie Hall did 1 ,026, and then Brian Shaw did a 1 ,021.

[915] It was just the bars fucking branding.

[916] Legitimately.

[917] How many of these guys are doing steroids?

[918] Oh, yeah.

[919] No, the world's strongest man. I mean, that's part of the sport.

[920] It's 99%.

[921] It's part of the sport, and it's part of bodybuilding.

[922] You know, it's part of a lot of the sports.

[923] In a perfect world, I think a lot of the athletes would say, hey, in a perfect world, there would be nothing out there that we could take to get better.

[924] But that's just not the world we really live in, right?

[925] So I think that's kind of the case with a lot of these sports, power of sports.

[926] There are some guys that are just large human beings that can handle big, big amount of weights.

[927] I mean, you've probably seen it in MMA where people just have a different structure.

[928] You're like, I don't know what that guy is.

[929] Like Mark Hunt.

[930] Mark Hunt is like 5 -9.

[931] He has to cut weight to get to suit 265.

[932] And he's just built like a tank.

[933] Yeah, it just doesn't look real.

[934] You go to wrestle somebody and you can't even grab their wrists because their wrists is all huge and hands and feet are all.

[935] It's like, what the fuck?

[936] That's like John Sina.

[937] He's a freak.

[938] John Sina is a freak.

[939] John Sina, we've known him since he was 20.

[940] 22 years old, and, you know, we were kind of instrumental in getting him into wrestling.

[941] And so when we met him, we're like, dude, you're a freak.

[942] Your forearms are the size of my head.

[943] He's got double -sized wrists.

[944] Yeah.

[945] And he wears a headband around his biceps.

[946] As soon as we saw him, we knew, you know, we're like, hey, and he got picked up, you know, by WWE, like, pretty much right away.

[947] Yeah.

[948] It's pretty easy for him.

[949] Well, there's definitely some physical freaks.

[950] There's definitely some physical freaks.

[951] But I've always wondered, like, when you see those strong man guys, like, there's, I don't, I can't.

[952] imagine that any of them could not be on steroids.

[953] I doubt that any of them are probably clean, just due to the sheer amount of weight that they have to weigh and the sheer amount of weight that they have to lift, it just wouldn't really make sense to do it without it.

[954] Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

[955] You know, you don't want to go in and lose.

[956] I mean, that's not the purpose, right?

[957] I think, you know, we talk about this.

[958] Like, I'm on, you know, hormone replacement therapy, and I think it's like, you know, talk about prescription thugs and whatever people are like, well, you take hormone replacement therapy, but I think about hormones is like it kind of balance.

[959] It balances me out in a lot of other areas, so I don't have to take pills, you know.

[960] I don't have to take other drugs.

[961] How old are you?

[962] 43.

[963] And when did you start taking hormones?

[964] When I was about, actually, right after I had my hip's done, I was 33 or 34.

[965] But it was because I had hip replacement surgery.

[966] So you started hormone replacement to try to boost your body's recovery?

[967] Yeah, absolutely.

[968] Yeah, I was doing growth hormone then too.

[969] And I felt like the growth hormone wasn't really worth it.

[970] I don't know.

[971] I mean a lot of people.

[972] Financially, you mean?

[973] Yeah, a lot of people rave about it.

[974] Yeah, but what you get bang for your body?

[975] or whatever if you're rich yeah it might maybe it'll help you a little bit but i don't know you're trying to get some crazy results like what do you mean by like what are you trying i wasn't a fan of growth hormone it actually hurt my joints more than anything made my hands fall asleep all the time it makes you a whole lot of water hands fall asleep yeah how much we take yeah no i know everyone says that but uh gives you it dema and everything yeah it makes you a whole a little bit of water i think i think at the time i've tried two i use a day and four i use a day that's that's not that's not much that's not a lot yeah the The big crazy bodybuilder guys take like 10, right?

[976] Yeah.

[977] But I think, like, if you're using it in conjunction with everything else, like, then you're probably optimizing everything.

[978] It makes sense that it would be effective for you.

[979] I do think it made my wiener a little bigger.

[980] It made your wiener bigger?

[981] I think so.

[982] Some people take it and say, oh, my God, I took growth hormone.

[983] I got completely shredded.

[984] And then it's like, maybe it's just not the case, you know?

[985] Hmm.

[986] Well, you know, it also could be that now they're on growth hormone.

[987] They really stepped up their training because they're all excited that they're on growth hormone.

[988] Right.

[989] There's a lot of factors in.

[990] That's what we think supplements do for the most part, too.

[991] Some do.

[992] The supplements a little bit of, it's going to help you a little bit, some of them, and then there's a little bit of placebo effect.

[993] If you're taking fish oil and chugging down protein powder and stuff like that, you're probably not eating pizza and drinking beer.

[994] Well, that's why double -blind placebo -controlled studies are so important to find out what actually does work and what doesn't work, what are the inflammation markers in the blood.

[995] They've shown some pretty good results from fish oil, though.

[996] Part about that, like with certain things, like fish oil, it's like, okay, is it good for, like, inflammation yes probably but what people take it for is like there are a lot of people take it for their heart health and they realize like why i got to take 12 pills a day for it to actually be effective for my heart health well you could take it in tablespoons too that's how i do it sure yeah but i'm saying like i guess it's not what i'm saying it's like it's not as effective as people think like i didn't take fish oil you know and then they go out and they buy fish oil and it might be pretty effective you know a little bit over a really long period of time is probably the most effective thing so you got to stick with it for a bad bad for anybody i just think that it's like, you know, it's something that, you know, it's just another thing, like, maybe you don't need it, you know?

[997] Well, what is need?

[998] You know, it's like if you're trying to optimize your life, you're trying to optimize your body, fish oil is a good choice.

[999] Right.

[1000] But if you want to get the results these guys are talking about in these studies and taking 12 pills a day, you don't really have to take pills.

[1001] You can just, I take it, I get it, um, if it's a company name, Carlson's, I think it's Yeah, they've been around forever.

[1002] Yeah, they're in a bottle.

[1003] Yeah.

[1004] I just pour it into a tablespoon.

[1005] I take a couple tablespoons.

[1006] Yeah.

[1007] It's just so good for you.

[1008] It's like flavor, like lemon or something?

[1009] Yeah, it's got a little lemon flavor.

[1010] I don't know what I just throw it down.

[1011] I think what I'm really getting at and talking about is you're not, you're just expected to help improve your health, which is great.

[1012] I think a lot of people expect, you know.

[1013] That's going to do something crazy.

[1014] I'm not going to have a heart attack if I take two of these a day.

[1015] And then they realize, oh, the study was done with 12 a day, you know.

[1016] Well, then take 12, bitch.

[1017] Yeah.

[1018] And the other thing is, if you want to not have a heart attack, take a couple aspirin a day, right?

[1019] Isn't that what's supposed to be like one of the best things in the world for your heart?

[1020] Yeah, it's supposed to help too, yeah.

[1021] Allegedly.

[1022] One, I think one aspirin a day.

[1023] This is so many different fucking things you have to be on.

[1024] Yeah.

[1025] Part of the problem.

[1026] You gotta be on a lot of shit at the same time.

[1027] Take some circumen in you need vitamin D3 and B12 and fucking methyl B12.

[1028] Well, they get you all stressed out about it.

[1029] Then you got to take something for that.

[1030] What are you doing for niacin?

[1031] What do I need to do?

[1032] Shit.

[1033] What kind of niacin?

[1034] And then you forget to take everything.

[1035] Then you get depressed.

[1036] You ever get that shit?

[1037] You ever take that flash niacin?

[1038] That's insane.

[1039] I take that stuff every night.

[1040] Holy shit.

[1041] It makes your fucking skin.

[1042] turn red and you freak it out.

[1043] Why do you take it really good for you?

[1044] It makes you go to sleep or it?

[1045] No, just really, that's when I take it, but it's really good for your body.

[1046] You know, it's one of those things that people don't like taking because it gives you that weird It's good for your blood vessels or something like that.

[1047] Is that what it makes you all red?

[1048] Yeah, but just it, that effect is temporary.

[1049] Are your kids like, what the hell's going on with you dead?

[1050] Although they make non -flush niacin, right?

[1051] To be you tack on me. I take that, I take it like a man, bro.

[1052] You think that non -flush niacin doesn't work?

[1053] It's for pussies.

[1054] Yeah.

[1055] What are you afraid of a little flush?

[1056] Yeah, no, I'm not scared.

[1057] I'm good.

[1058] That's what separates the men from the boys.

[1059] Can you handle that weird feeling?

[1060] Afraid it looks like you have poison ivy or some shirt.

[1061] Why is my eyes itching?

[1062] Did you find that stone?

[1063] That 555 stone, you got to pull that sucker up, man. It's unbelievable.

[1064] You got to see it.

[1065] Have you found it?

[1066] With supplements, like we were saying, it depends on, like, what people are expecting.

[1067] You know, a lot of times certain things will rave about, like testosterone and testosterone, there is no way, absolutely zero chance that that supplement's going to work as good as, injecting testosterone well if it does if it works better than testosterone you're going to fuck your body up yeah yeah maybe it's gonna have side effects probably also like if there was something out there that was the cure or the thing like you wouldn't have to advertise people would just know about it yeah well here's the most important supplement the most important thing that you can take is really healthy food and when you start throwing down all these supplements but you're eating fucking big max right you're ruin you know you can't do that I got a friend was telling me like that all the chemical components of all really healthy food already exists in vitamins so just eat whatever the fuck you want and take vitamins i was like man i don't think it works like that doesn't sound right i just don't think it works it doesn't work like that for me that's the problem is people use it as a safeguard right uh actually the first time i met you was after one of your shows at the ice house i don't even know if you remember we were like outside in the back and you said you were talking to brian callan all these other guys and uh you were saying every time we go on the road i got to go to a whole foods and i thought that was so cool that like you actually take the time to go out and get the even when you're on the road get the right food and like that was uh that was actually inspirational for me to hear because you know I have somebody I struggle with my weight all the time and like sometimes I think that stuff is weird or people might think I'm weird if I'm trying to eat a special diet you know and and um it's just good to know that like other people are out doing it well I've traveled on the road for so many years I know there's no unless I stay in a place that has a really good restaurant and I know they have really healthy salads and real healthy food options and and even if that's the case what am I going to drink?

[1068] I mean, it's cool if they have, you know, bottled water's cool, but I drink kombucha a lot, so I always want to make sure that I have enough probiotics and I want healthy snacks.

[1069] I don't want to have to go through the fucking mini bar and eat peanut M &Ms and all that bullshit in the middle of the night if I'm hungry.

[1070] It makes you feel bad, I think, yeah.

[1071] It makes you feel like a loser.

[1072] And I just, I mean, there's nothing wrong with eating shitty food every now and then, but for the most part, the base of your diet, it's fucking got to be healthy.

[1073] You got to stay on top of it.

[1074] You got to have a lot of vegetables.

[1075] You know, for the years that I was going through my addiction stuff, I just didn't take care of myself at all.

[1076] Like, I was 260 pounds.

[1077] And right now I weighed, today I weighed like 200, you know, on the dot.

[1078] That's great.

[1079] But that's a big difference, you know.

[1080] It is a big difference.

[1081] I'm fat, really fat in that movie, and I still think I have a long way to go, you know.

[1082] I used to weigh 3 .30.

[1083] I kind of got up there on purpose just to fucking gain strength.

[1084] And I went from, like, 300 to.

[1085] Oh, here we go.

[1086] Brian Shaw, 555 -pound world record stone lift.

[1087] Oh, my God.

[1088] So that's impossible to pick up.

[1089] I mean, look how big his hands are.

[1090] Boy, 555 pounds, and it's a ball.

[1091] Like, it's the size of a large medicine ball.

[1092] It's called an Atlas Stone, yeah.

[1093] It's an object not meant to be lifted.

[1094] You know, it's not like a barbell or anything.

[1095] I'm not really interesting.

[1096] He's got to put it up over that platform.

[1097] Yeah, how's he doing this?

[1098] Why is this in slow motion, by the way?

[1099] I don't know, but that platform is about as tall as I am almost.

[1100] Jesus Christ.

[1101] Which isn't that tall.

[1102] Is he that big?

[1103] He's 6 '8.

[1104] Yeah, he's huge.

[1105] Jesus Christ, look at this.

[1106] That's probably up to my shoulders.

[1107] Boom.

[1108] It's a big boy right there.

[1109] That's an enormous human being.

[1110] He's wearing slingshot elbow sleeves, if you noticed.

[1111] Oh, there you are.

[1112] Powerful slingshot.

[1113] And what do you think that guy eats in a day?

[1114] He eats like about 8 ,000 calories a day?

[1115] Yeah.

[1116] I had him picked up from the airport and brought to my house by like a limo.

[1117] Did he have a leg of lamb on his shoulder?

[1118] He took a picture in the limousine of him with his wife in a limo, and he's eating salmon out of a fucking thing, like a container of Tupperware.

[1119] The thing about that guy is everything is so systematic.

[1120] It's amazing to be in his presence because he talks about, yeah, like, he doesn't eat bad.

[1121] You know, he doesn't, he's on target to just be the world's strongest man. And he's won it three times and he's going for four this year, right?

[1122] Yeah.

[1123] Yeah.

[1124] And he's like, when are we eating?

[1125] I was like, probably at like five.

[1126] He's like, oh, it's like, he's like, it's like almost four.

[1127] He's like, I should probably sneak in a meal now.

[1128] So he ate before we ate.

[1129] But he brought all his meals already made and everything was great.

[1130] You know what's interesting if you look at his supplements?

[1131] He's got this thing, diet and supplements.

[1132] His meals are not that high in quantity or in like ounces of protein.

[1133] Like when you look at what he's eating, like 14 -ounce lean beef.

[1134] I think there's also a bodybuilding magazine.

[1135] Okay, but I mean, this is what he's saying, right?

[1136] Yeah, yeah.

[1137] Ten ounces tilapia.

[1138] So he's like these, they're like normal size.

[1139] meals which you would think a guy that's that big he'd be eating like you know 50 six ounce steaks but yeah if you'd really look at it there's almost nine up there I think there's pre -workout post -workout which are kind of more like shakes but there's like a pudding in there five six seven eight nine ten it's like ten different times he's eating his entire like he's obsessed like his entire day is driven towards you know continue to kick everybody's ass yeah but even in that like you You're looking at insane amounts of calories, even with the smaller meals.

[1140] What's interesting about him, too, he does four days of training week and three days of full recovery.

[1141] So three days, he's doing contrast bats and he's doing, like, all the shit that you always talk about.

[1142] He's doing everything.

[1143] He goes to a PT place and just does physical therapy drills.

[1144] You know, he's like, we saw him get on the floor and he was doing all kinds of shit.

[1145] We were like, what the hell?

[1146] He moves around like way better than I do.

[1147] He's three times of size.

[1148] He moves around great.

[1149] It's a smart guy, man. I mean, that's really where it's at.

[1150] I think there's a lot of people that do too much work and not enough recovery.

[1151] And they just kind of mentally tough their way through it instead of less work, more recovery, and probably better results.

[1152] That's where I'm at right now.

[1153] I just fucked up my elbow.

[1154] They recommended, what is it, PRP injections, right?

[1155] PR for me. And then PR means personal record for personal record.

[1156] It was a personal best PB.

[1157] For all you PNs.

[1158] And so I got it banged up somehow.

[1159] I don't know if it was from that bench exactly, but two or three days later, you know what, it started to hurt.

[1160] I didn't think I was going to be able to compete, but I was still able to compete about five or six weeks later.

[1161] Got a 22 -pound bench PR in the meat but missed a 600 pound bench.

[1162] I did bench 578.

[1163] But when I went to bench 600, I slightly tore my peck, and I think I tore my peck because my elbow was jacked up.

[1164] Oh, so you just need some time off?

[1165] Yeah, the peck cleared up.

[1166] Everything is all good with that, but the elbow is still all jacked up.

[1167] And so I just went and got an MRI yesterday, which was fucking crazy.

[1168] They stuffed me in this little tiny machine.

[1169] You never had one before?

[1170] No, I've never had them for.

[1171] I've never had a surgery or nothing.

[1172] I was...

[1173] MRIs are weird.

[1174] Oh, I was terrified.

[1175] I was in there for like a half an hour is dying.

[1176] It sounds like somebody's hammering.

[1177] Oh, my God.

[1178] noise.

[1179] After I got out, I was like, just, I was, I don't know, it was just like a crazy feeling.

[1180] The noise is so strange.

[1181] It's so claustrophobic.

[1182] I was like, holy fuck, that was insane.

[1183] But, yeah, now I have to try to figure out.

[1184] I have kind of these, they call them chronic tears, which doesn't really help me at all.

[1185] But it's only, it's only a chronic tears and tons of inflammation.

[1186] So I got to figure out ways to just get it to heal up on its own, basically.

[1187] Have you looked into stem cells?

[1188] I haven't tried anything yet.

[1189] So when we get out of the podcast.

[1190] I'll give you an address for a guy in Vegas.

[1191] I wish I had him.

[1192] Yeah, shoot him right in you.

[1193] My doctor is actually one of the guys, like, leading away in stem cells.

[1194] It sounds amazing.

[1195] They're doing stem cells in Las Vegas where they're taking them from woman's placenta, whether it's...

[1196] I'm into it?

[1197] Yeah.

[1198] Because, you know, fetal stem cells.

[1199] No, no, no. It's women who have had cesarean sections.

[1200] Oh, okay.

[1201] So a young girl who has a cesarean section, they take her stem cells out of the placenta, and they inject them directly.

[1202] your injuries and people have had fucking spectacular placenta into my elbow i'll tell you about i've had him done on my shoulder it's amazing did you hear about the guy that had like wolverine like how many of those do you need do you think hold on a second it i'm telling you it is probably one of the most spectacular healing methods you need several shots of that or like one shot one shot yeah there was a guy that um Arnold Schwarzenegger i think gave an award to last year maybe the year before he had ocular cancer so he couldn't see in his eye and in one of his eyes and um they did stem cell some stem cell thing on him and after like 10 weeks he had like full vision and I don't know how I don't know what it was but I remember um Arnold Schwarzenegger giving him award and talking about that being you know I'm not surprised I'm not surprised I mean I was fucking stunned at what it did to my shoulder and I've since had my hip done and my knee my hip was like barely bothering me I'm like fucking shoot it up yeah you know it just bother me after hard kickboxing workouts but not not even to the point where but I was like listen would it do it damage Or is this like a good thing to do preventative?

[1203] And he's like, yeah, it'll probably be a good thing to do preventative.

[1204] Four weeks later, not a fucking single pain, no matter how hard I think.

[1205] My knee was bothering me. Well, it's shown that they can regenerate cartilage and meniscus.

[1206] Right.

[1207] It's insane because it's literally the building blocks of any kind of tissue.

[1208] That sounds insane.

[1209] It could regenerate any kind of tissue, like partial tears of ligaments.

[1210] You know, some of my meathead friends are real fans of these like weird peptides.

[1211] There's like growth hormone.

[1212] Then there's IGF1.

[1213] And now there's a bunch.

[1214] bunch of shit that I can't pronounce anymore, but...

[1215] It makes your body develop more growth hormone and develop more testosterone.

[1216] And I've tried some different things, and I didn't find any of those to be effective, so...

[1217] Well, you're on steroids.

[1218] Well, it's the real...

[1219] You got to say that it's a secret.

[1220] So, yeah, we need that guy's number because we're both banged up.

[1221] I'll help you out.

[1222] I'll help you out at the end of the pocket.

[1223] His name is Dr. Roddy McGee, if anybody else is listening, and he's in Las Vegas, and he's a great guy, and he'll take care of you and tell you what you can and cannot expect out of this.

[1224] but they're going to start doing this all over the world, but I believe right now in Vegas is the only place where you can get this stuff that they're doing through placenta.

[1225] I might be wrong about that.

[1226] Actually, they got some to a doctor in New York that was working on the UFC fighter.

[1227] Chris Wyman actually had to do it on his knees too.

[1228] My doctor was telling me there's some way that he was working on that they can inject 200 million stem cells in you at one time, and they basically do it once, and it works in your whole body.

[1229] I don't know anything about it, but...

[1230] Boss Rutan was saying.

[1231] Boss Rutan had it done...

[1232] I'll believe anything that guy says.

[1233] Me too.

[1234] I don't want to get kicked upside my fucking head.

[1235] He's just a great guy anyway.

[1236] But he had it done intravenously.

[1237] And he was like, there was power coming off my fingers.

[1238] Wow.

[1239] That guy seems amazing.

[1240] He's a great guy.

[1241] He's a spectacular example of a human being.

[1242] So when you're filming this documentary and you're doing this and you're exposing yourself, was that one of the harder parts of the documentary?

[1243] Because, you know, you had to show your car getting all fucking banged up.

[1244] And, I mean, it was like therapy for me. You know, I, did you take any heat for that?

[1245] Because you were driving around piled up in your car.

[1246] Did you get in trouble for that?

[1247] Like, no, I never, I never once got pulled over.

[1248] I'd be hammered.

[1249] But I mean, you admitting, you essentially admitted to a felony.

[1250] It's weird.

[1251] You can't, unless it's like murder, you can't really get convicted of anything you say in like a documentary or a movie.

[1252] Oh, really?

[1253] Yeah, like I basically could say, I never paid my taxes in 20 years.

[1254] And they can look into it.

[1255] It might be stupid to say it, but him like, because.

[1256] We had to check that out, like, seriously when he was talking about taking steroids.

[1257] Yeah, my wife's like, no way you're going to be in this fucking movie.

[1258] What are we doing?

[1259] What is what he says?

[1260] We check out all of our attorneys and everything.

[1261] They're like, oh, no, like, if he says it in documentaries.

[1262] Entertainment.

[1263] Yeah.

[1264] Wait to see if Ted Cruz gets in office.

[1265] They'll fucking come after you retroactively.

[1266] I think that it's important that you did that, though, man. It took a lot of balls.

[1267] Thank you.

[1268] I think you said, you know, like some of the stuff I recall him saying that he was, like, most embarrassed about.

[1269] It was just like, that's the way he looked.

[1270] I was more embarrassed about.

[1271] being fat and being bloodshot eyes and like just looking jacked up he was kind of like more depressed about how how that came off like he doesn't like watching a movie probably i mean that's kind of some of the stuff he's told me right i i've watched it like maybe four or five times and it's completed form it's hard for me to watch what were you eating that you you gained so much weight did you just like try to like whatever was around skate yourself with food because you're pain and i i actually thought it's funny i thought i was like getting bigger and getting strong like i was really strong at that time like you know so i was like fat but yeah i could still you know throw up 405 for like four reps or whatever but then i tore my tricep and that led to more depression led to eating bad led to less working out all sorts of shit you know well then drinking just causes weight gain anyway yeah drinking is like the absolute worst thing for you it's not good yeah i do very one of the things that i've noticed from this diet is i have very little alcohol now not that i drank a lot but now I'll limit myself to maybe a glass of one or two in a night at most.

[1272] Are you on no carbs?

[1273] Very little carbs.

[1274] He's joined.

[1275] The war on carbs.

[1276] You joined the war on carbs.

[1277] Hashtag war on carbs.

[1278] Well, you guys, you're going to do a documentary on ketogenic diets and ketosis?

[1279] I've been talking to the owners of Quest Nutrition.

[1280] They have 44 dogs at a farm in Dallas that have a very, they had a very aggressive form of cancer.

[1281] They're now all cancer free, and all they're doing is a ketogenic diet.

[1282] Dogs?

[1283] Yep, 70 % keto dogs.

[1284] 70 % fat, 30 % protein.

[1285] They're going to turn into wolves.

[1286] Yeah, they are dogs.

[1287] And so the thing is, like, how can we look at that and say, well, will this work in humans or what is, like, any, I think any research we're doing on any animals that are mammals, you know, like kind of have similarities so we can start figuring things out through these dogs, you know?

[1288] Right.

[1289] Because you're not going to experiment on people, really, you know?

[1290] So, and with a dog, it's like, hey, I'm just trying to save its life, you know?

[1291] Right.

[1292] So what are their conclusions?

[1293] They think that ketogenic diets, I know they think that it's, they know that it's very effective for children that have epilepsy.

[1294] So here's what I've heard.

[1295] I've also heard this shot down, so I'm just going to say what I've heard.

[1296] I've heard that the absence of carbohydrates that it basically starves the cancer cell.

[1297] I'm not sure if it's that simple, but that's what I've heard.

[1298] Well, carbohydrates do convert to sugar, especially simple carbohydrates like bread and pasta and sugar does fuel cancer.

[1299] And inflammation in general.

[1300] Yeah, information in general.

[1301] Man, I feel fantastic.

[1302] I've only been doing this a month, this diet, this primal blueprint ketogenic diet.

[1303] I've only been doing it for a month, but my brain is the, that's when we were talking about before the podcast started.

[1304] That's probably the most interesting aspect of it is the mental clarity.

[1305] He's got a book, right, Marks Hassan?

[1306] He's got a couple books, yeah, the primal blueprint, and I think, where are they in the other room?

[1307] Yeah.

[1308] I just love reading all that stuff.

[1309] I've read every ketogenic diet book there is, so I'm going to get that after we get off the air.

[1310] I tried gluten -free for a while.

[1311] I did that.

[1312] I lost weight, and I got thinner.

[1313] Like, my face got thinner.

[1314] Like, my, I'm one of those guys are like, my fucking head gets fat.

[1315] Yeah, that's the first thing that happens.

[1316] When my face gets round and big and, like, this part gets fat.

[1317] I can have the abs and have the fattest face you ever seen.

[1318] It's weird, right?

[1319] The fat face thing's a weird thing.

[1320] But that was the first thing that I noticed when I did, the gluten -free, my face shrank down to normal size.

[1321] And this is even more so.

[1322] You know, gluten -free is very, it's very controversial.

[1323] You know, the guy who came up with the whole gluten -free thing, published a retraction three years later, says, I was, not I lied, I was wrong about gluten -free.

[1324] Well, here's what it's definitely like a big controversy, like big debate over it, I guess, still.

[1325] But here's what it is.

[1326] I mean, this is what I decided, and it's one of the reasons why I stopped being gluten -free.

[1327] What it is is, is you're taking less sugar.

[1328] So that's what the benefit was.

[1329] The benefit was, I wasn't eating any bread.

[1330] I wasn't eating any pasta, so I was taking in less sugar.

[1331] It's really that simple, so there's less inflammation, so I felt better.

[1332] So it definitely worked.

[1333] Well, and you're adhering to a program that just gets rid of some junk.

[1334] Yeah, it's just not.

[1335] What are you eating on the primal blueprint?

[1336] I eat a lot of avocados.

[1337] I'm eating a lot of healthy fats.

[1338] I take, you know, MCT oil.

[1339] I take these exogenous ketones that you saw over here.

[1340] Yep.

[1341] These things, I'll mix these into water.

[1342] Those are ketones.

[1343] I got a keto protein coming out pretty soon.

[1344] I'll send you some.

[1345] This is ketogenic cream that you put in coffee, mix it in coffee.

[1346] That's a good idea.

[1347] Yeah, it puts exogenous ketones in coffee.

[1348] And then there's this new supplement, not a supplement, but a snack called Fat Fudge, P -H -A -T -Fudge.

[1349] By.

[1350] Yeah, yeah, I want some of that.

[1351] Eatplaycrush .com.

[1352] This woman, I don't want to fuck up the spelling.

[1353] Yeah, that sounds like a great idea.

[1354] Yeah.

[1355] Fat Fudge.

[1356] Oh, it's fantastic.

[1357] Well, it's important to have stuff that's convenient when you're doing these kind of diets, you know what I mean?

[1358] That's important to have stuff that tastes good, too.

[1359] And you don't want to always be cooking up, you know, a fucking pound of meat every five minutes.

[1360] Exactly.

[1361] Well, luckily, I have a lot of meat in the back.

[1362] Right.

[1363] I've got a lot of elk from the couple of elks that I shot.

[1364] But you need fats on top of that, and a lot of that elk is, like, really lean.

[1365] Yeah, right.

[1366] You have to add fat to it, correct?

[1367] Yes.

[1368] Well, no, you don't add fat to it, but, I mean, it's not the same as, like, say, if you get, you know, if you get, like, a beef steak.

[1369] Like a rib eye or something like that You're getting a lot of fat Especially if it's a corn fed beefsteaks There's a lot of fat And so I take different kinds of fats But avocado is one of the primary ones that I like Ketogenic diets are amazing for losing weight For you know weight class type stuff Like power lifting weight lifting MMA And it works fucking awesome You can drop a couple pounds pretty quickly You've got to let your body Really get accustomed to it though Because in the beginning people shy off of it because they feel like losing that weight makes them feel weak.

[1370] Right.

[1371] And changing from a carbohydrate consuming body to a protein to a fat consuming body.

[1372] Yeah, it does take time.

[1373] Do you have any cheat mail?

[1374] Like any cheat day?

[1375] I haven't had anything.

[1376] No, in the month that I've done it.

[1377] I just decide that I don't eat that anymore.

[1378] Yeah, that's great.

[1379] Well, I gave myself 60 days.

[1380] At the end of 60 days, maybe I'll have some ice cream.

[1381] But I think I'm going right back on it.

[1382] Carbohydrates.

[1383] cream, right?

[1384] Do they?

[1385] Bulletproof ice cream, yeah.

[1386] Nice.

[1387] It's, uh, they sell it at Arawan, bulletproof ice cream and it's like, I'm not buying any bulletproof stuff.

[1388] Yeah, but it's just a bunch of, uh, I know that guy.

[1389] Yeah, it's kind of kind of carbon.

[1390] Carbohydrate.

[1391] Well, that guy's just too full of shit about too many different things for me to support it.

[1392] The one thing that carbohydrates do is they help to hydrate.

[1393] Carbohydrate helps hydrate the muscles.

[1394] So that's a thing sometimes like, sometimes people will will say, oh, I don't like keto diet because I feel weak because I lose.

[1395] energy.

[1396] If you're doing a keto diet properly, you should not be losing any energy.

[1397] Your energy level should be fine.

[1398] However, you're not going to have as much water through your muscles.

[1399] And if you're a strength athlete or somebody that relies on strength, it can be compromised a little bit, especially when you start to lose anything like over like 10 pounds.

[1400] Your strength is going to be compromised.

[1401] You lose a lot of weight.

[1402] Your strength is going to be compromised.

[1403] Yeah.

[1404] So you have to make sure that you're hydrated.

[1405] You have to make sure that you're right.

[1406] And you've got to make sure you get enough fats.

[1407] And you're going to need some carbohydrates here and there you know um you look at like carbates you don't want you don't want high that's it right that's all it is and you look at like you know connor mcgregor you know going up a weight class and i know there's different fighters and different styles and and all different things but it is hard to overcome uh someone just being being bigger than you and so if you lose a bunch of weight you should expect to lose some strength uh the girl's name is mary shenuda s h e n god bless your fat pudding paleo chef no fat fudge fat fudge paleo chef dot com i think think is uh yeah that's her website and the uh the product's called fat fudge and uh hopefully we're going to start selling it on it it's let's just buy the whole company that sounds amazing it's uh it's it's it's really uh it's healthy it's good for you but it's uh you know it's ketogenic right the uh the whole idea for me was just to just give it a try just see see what it's like i actually really like it and so um it gets me in a mode where i uh i feel like everything becomes an order when i'm on like a ketogenic diet for some reason like I'm not on it right now, but when I get on it, I'm like, okay, I know exactly what I need to do, exactly what I need to eat.

[1408] I just, I kind of like the structure of it, you know, and it's not bad.

[1409] I mean, a lot of people are worried about it.

[1410] You know, I'm not going to be able to eat carbs and...

[1411] Well, people start panicking, and then they start coming up.

[1412] Well, I heard that it makes your dick fall off.

[1413] Yeah, there's so many, so many lies about it.

[1414] Well, it's not good for you.

[1415] Well, it's not good for you.

[1416] Your brain runs on carbohydrate.

[1417] Prove it's bad for me, you know, like, it's not.

[1418] Well, prove it's good for you.

[1419] How about that?

[1420] what are you saying I'm a spaghetti just arm bar those people can't you do that do you have a day where you throw in any carbs or not really no just from maybe vegetables and nuts and stuff like that of that but my thought behind it was I just want to try it oh I see what it's like try it the exact way it's meant to be and what Sisson is the idea behind is not paleo because that word paleolithic you know it's weird it's kind of messed up because the Paleolithic era of people ate breads they ate grains they did So this is, he calls it primal, and the idea is just eat stuff that your body is just really kind of designed to eat.

[1421] Your body's designed to eat fats, your body's designed to eat vegetables, and fats are important because when people burn fat, if you don't have those fats, like if you're not consuming them, your body starts burning the fat of your body.

[1422] Your hormone profile is hugely, you know, by fats, you know.

[1423] Whereas there's a difference between if your body's designed to burn carbohydrates, if it doesn't have any carbohydrates, you crack.

[1424] So that's the this that's a big difference too like the the feeling that I get in between meals like I don't get the same kind of hungry Like the the hungry that I was getting when I was eating a lot of carbs I would get this oh fuck I got to eat now I got to eat now I do not get that now I don't get that weak Crashed feeling like I can get up in the morning after not having eaten since like eight o 'clock at night I can get up at nine o 'clock in the morning and I'll lift weights and I'm not I don't feel weak Right that's that's unusual that feels weird to not have the same hunger cravings because your body's your body regulates itself better it burns off your fat i've been doing this for a long time so back in 1995 i'm i moved to california to go to USC started training at goals gym venice and started training with mike o 'erne and this other guy ron fedko who's getting his PhD right so going to the gym and these guys are like a lot stronger than me they're squatting 7 800 pounds and i'm around the 600 pound mark and they basically said hey you're too fat you got to lose weight you got to be you can't be To be competitive, you've got to drop to a nice waste class.

[1425] You need to be in the 198 way class.

[1426] I'm like, I have no idea how to do that.

[1427] You know, I'm just a kid from Poughkeepsie that moved out here.

[1428] I have no idea with the bodybuilding lifestyles about anything.

[1429] And he said, look, just eat red meat and water until your comp, until...

[1430] What?

[1431] Yeah, red meat and water.

[1432] So I did that for, I did that for, I don't know, whatever.

[1433] When I came back from New York to go back to school and lift with these guys again after the summer, I think I weighed 196.

[1434] And so I came back, like, wow, you did it.

[1435] You know, you...

[1436] And I was kind of stupid.

[1437] vegetables were fair game he said if you're really dying you could have like an apple here or there but it was basically but for me i was i was naive i didn't know and that was kind of a good thing for me because i just i just dove in head first and i didn't think about it what were your shits like and how often they come out it's like every four or five days you got lift up a manhole cover and just take a shit right in there it's funny i was i was absolutely fine i was stronger you know i went into me i think i squad at 650.

[1438] Why did you stop eating like that?

[1439] I just don't think it gets sustainable forever, you know?

[1440] I think you just, you can't eat the same exact thing every day.

[1441] It gets to be hard to do for really, really long, like years.

[1442] I don't know, it just gets to be tough.

[1443] You mean psychologically?

[1444] You just run into roadblocks here and there, and then you get triggers, you know, for food.

[1445] You know, somebody has a fucking birthday, and then there you are eating birthday cake, and it just kind of can snowball and you might end up into something else.

[1446] Or, you know, you might, depending on what sport you're into, Maybe you have different goals at different periods of time.

[1447] So sometimes you want to be small and sometimes you want to be bigger.

[1448] So, but when you say roadblocks, you don't mean, like, you mean more psychological.

[1449] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1450] No, the diet's fine.

[1451] You're not going to, like, have some sort of weird, you know, blood issue or anything like that.

[1452] Yeah, I just think I'm going to give myself a cheat day every couple months.

[1453] Right.

[1454] That's how I think I'm going to do it.

[1455] Just one day.

[1456] You have an amazing iron will, you know, and a lot of people don't have that.

[1457] It's not that hard, man. There's kids in Ethiopia right now that don't have any feet, you know what I mean?

[1458] Right.

[1459] How hard is that?

[1460] I'm eating elk steaks and sauteed kale and fresh eggs and avocados.

[1461] It's all great.

[1462] Yeah, it all tastes me. You have your own chickens, right?

[1463] Yeah, it's all, I feel great.

[1464] So I'm going to stick with it.

[1465] I really think this might be the way I eat.

[1466] People are so annoyed with me, though, because I talk about it too much.

[1467] No, I think it's the best way to eat.

[1468] We've always thought that.

[1469] We have a friend, John Anderson, who hasn't eaten carbohydrates in years.

[1470] No carbs?

[1471] No carbs, he's huge.

[1472] How's that?

[1473] Well, not no carbs.

[1474] As he likes to put it, those little motherfuckers are everywhere.

[1475] Carbohydrates are in everything, but he pretty much despises like the act of like actually sitting down and eating rice or eating potatoes.

[1476] Really?

[1477] But it's so good.

[1478] He used to do, I know.

[1479] He used to do Strongman competitions.

[1480] And he said, well, he did Strongman competitions, the turnover rate from going from one event to the next, he had to eat carbohydrates, you know.

[1481] But he said that, you know, once he retired.

[1482] from Strongman, where strength wasn't his main focus anymore.

[1483] He's like, I get rid of all that shit, and I just basically just eat meat and vegetables.

[1484] Any, like, bodybuilding diet, they have a lot of carbohydrates in it, and they stuff themselves with carbs put on weight, so can John Anderson continue to get, like, bigger and stronger?

[1485] No, you're not going to, you're not going to, I don't think you can win, like, Mr. Olympia, without carbohydrates, because I think there's a whole thing to the hormones of the insulin and everything.

[1486] It's a whole thing.

[1487] It's a whole thing is way too complicated for me to understand, but I just don't, I think you can I think you're limited.

[1488] Whenever you limit any macronutrient, then you're going to have some limitations probably, you know?

[1489] Yeah, it's interesting.

[1490] It's an interesting situation when you're trying to figure out what's the best stuff to put into your body to get the best performance and the best feeling out of it.

[1491] And then you factor in convenience, you know, social things, customary things.

[1492] You know, your mom, like, was a lot of someone who's actually doing, like, you know, MMA, like a competitor.

[1493] It'd probably be a mistake to completely get rid of the carbohydrates.

[1494] It's just, you know, I guess the main question would be if it's to lose weight to get to the next weight class, then it would be something you'd do for a period of time.

[1495] Yeah.

[1496] But if other athletes are successful with the carbohydrates in there, why wouldn't you just utilize them?

[1497] Some guys have gone vegan.

[1498] They try to go vegan to lose weight.

[1499] Oh, by the way, all you vegan dorks that keep tweeting me. Don't say it.

[1500] Don't say it.

[1501] All you vegan dorks that keep tweeting me and Instagramming me about Nate Diaz, he's not vegan.

[1502] So stop.

[1503] Just cut the shit.

[1504] People are saying he's vegan?

[1505] Yeah, these vegans went crazy.

[1506] How does it feel to know a vegan is the best fighter in the world?

[1507] You got beat by a vegan and a vegan.

[1508] They're all jumped on the vegan ban.

[1509] He eats fish, you fucks.

[1510] He eats eggs and he eats fish.

[1511] He likes green plants, so what?

[1512] It's good for you.

[1513] Look, green plants are very good for you.

[1514] I've heard you say that in your comedy.

[1515] The fucking cult attached to these people.

[1516] They're so unbelievably proselytizing.

[1517] They're just ridiculous.

[1518] But what they don't realize, too, is if I have friends that are vegan and they never talk about it, they never push it on me. And I'm actually interested in finding out why they want to do that, right?

[1519] So I ask them about it.

[1520] I don't, they're not pushing it down my throat, you know?

[1521] Well, most of what Nate eats is raw.

[1522] He eats a lot of raw foods, and he did that for a long time.

[1523] And he tried raw vegan for a while, but he felt like he needed to substitute it with chicken or with fish.

[1524] So he doesn't eat any land animals, but he does eat eggs, I believe.

[1525] I know he eats breads.

[1526] I've seen him eat tacos and shit, so he eats tortillas.

[1527] He was fucking awesome in that fight.

[1528] It's a bad motherfucker.

[1529] And the reason why he won, by the way, is not because he's a fucking vegan, you assholes, is he's healthy, and he's got very good endurance.

[1530] He's got a really good endurance base, and he's a really good boxer, man. His boxing is nasty, and his jiu -jitsu is top -notch.

[1531] Nate Deez has been around for a long time.

[1532] He's a 20 -some -odd fights, I think, in UFC.

[1533] Bad motherfucker.

[1534] And all you vegan folks, I'm not mad at you.

[1535] I'm not, honestly.

[1536] It's just you've got to understand that that thing that you guys do where you go after people And you fucking insult them.

[1537] And it just makes people more reluctant to associate with you, to want to be a vegan.

[1538] It makes people more reluctant.

[1539] And it makes people think you're ridiculous.

[1540] They're in a cult.

[1541] They're like in a religion.

[1542] And they're like trying to get other people to actively join.

[1543] Yeah.

[1544] Why are you shooting dears but you have a dog as a pet?

[1545] It's like, well, that's just fucking what's acceptable, man. I don't know.

[1546] Well, it's not just that.

[1547] If you don't shoot deer, you dummies, they fucking overpopulate unless you want to bring in wolves.

[1548] There's nothing out there stopping deer from fucking and making babies.

[1549] You guys, you have this delusional fairy tale, Walt Disney -ized view of wildlife.

[1550] And it's stupid, and it's a really uncomfortable fucking discussion that you guys don't want to have.

[1551] Because if you do have it, you're going to wind up feeling really fucking stupid because there's a reality.

[1552] They're killing hundreds of bison in Yellowstone Park right now.

[1553] They're going to fucking shoot them.

[1554] You know why?

[1555] Because there's no hunting, because there's too many of them.

[1556] Right.

[1557] You know, they're going to start shooting grizzly bears, too.

[1558] Why?

[1559] Because there's too fucking many of them.

[1560] If something's got to kill them, and you've got to bring in predators, or you're going to have overpopulation problem.

[1561] What about people?

[1562] People are the most overpopulated thing on the planet.

[1563] Well, then don't fuck.

[1564] Stop fucking.

[1565] Stop having babies.

[1566] Shut your mouth.

[1567] You know, the whole thing is preposterous, but it was amazing the next day, the amount of fucking tweets from vegans that were so excited that a vegan was.

[1568] one this ought to stop them this speech now i'm kidding they're going to go extra hard yeah it's hilarious it's amazing well they're just they're they're they're in a cult right it's the cult of vegetables and they think they're going to save your way a lot of people that have gone vegan or you know vegetarian like uh rob wolf who wrote like that paleo book and he does not hardcore paleo but um he he got very sick you know from it i i hear that all the time like i went vegan i went vegan i got really sick and i actually when i was in rehab, there's a kid that was vegan.

[1569] He was eating Oreos all the time.

[1570] I'm like, that's so gross.

[1571] Like, why are you going to...

[1572] What the fuck is that about?

[1573] They're vegan.

[1574] I'm like, yeah, but you're not a real vegan.

[1575] That's, that's like bullshit vegan, you know?

[1576] Well, it's vegan, but it's shitty for you.

[1577] There's a lot of stuff that's meat gummy bears.

[1578] Well, actually, gummy bears are actually gelatin.

[1579] It's probably not vegan.

[1580] But there's some...

[1581] Gummy bears are great.

[1582] Just don't eat the whole thing like you said in your set.

[1583] Oh, that's a different kind of gummy bear.

[1584] That was...

[1585] That's true.

[1586] That was amazing.

[1587] You're like, why do they fucking sell it that way then?

[1588] Dude, only eat the head.

[1589] Why?

[1590] What's going to happen?

[1591] That was why?

[1592] That's a true story.

[1593] For me to hear that kind of stuff, I don't know anything about that world.

[1594] It's so cool for me to hear about that kind of stuff because I don't know anything about any of these kind of drugs.

[1595] So I'm just like, this sounds amazing.

[1596] Edible pot is a motherfucker, man. You've got to be real careful.

[1597] But you can be healthy on a vegan diet.

[1598] You just have to be careful and you have to supplement.

[1599] And you might have to supplement with vitamin B12, which comes from animals.

[1600] Yeah.

[1601] I know people that are on vegan diets that are also very healthy, you know.

[1602] Yeah, you can.

[1603] They're doing it the right way, I guess.

[1604] Yeah, you've got to be diligent.

[1605] And there's also biodiversity where some people works better than it does for other people.

[1606] I know John Fitz tried a vegan diet for a while, and it helped him for a little while.

[1607] But then after a while, he just felt weak.

[1608] Like, initially it helped him a lot.

[1609] Like, he felt like he had more endurance and he felt healthier, but slowly, but surely he felt weaker and weaker.

[1610] And then he just didn't feel like he could compete at 170 without eating some sort of animal protein.

[1611] But, you know, you can get animal protein if you're worried about the ethical consequences.

[1612] of it, you could get it from eggs, and you don't have to hurt anybody.

[1613] Like, I have eggs, these chickens, they're pets.

[1614] I could walk up to them and pick them up, you know, and they're not, they're not going to harm, they're not, there's no factory farm situation.

[1615] And if you have a backyard, you can have that.

[1616] And they free range, they walk around, you know, you're going to have to deal with the fact they eat bugs.

[1617] Like, if you see something that says vegetarian fed chickens, with those poor fucking chickens, it's not their idea.

[1618] Right.

[1619] They want to eat everything.

[1620] Those little motherfuckers are like, I fed them a mouse one.

[1621] once oh my god i heard that episode they tore it apart and your kids were there and stuff right they're fucking but my kids weren't there for them the mouse chicken sacrifice well so it was it's sort of highlights how crazy people are when it comes to animals and like the hierarchy of what's okay to live and what's okay to die we bought these pinkies for a hawk a hawk flew into a window and got knocked the fuck out and heard its wing and so we we had to bring the hawk to one of those wildlife rescue places and so in the meantime this poor hawk was with us for a day over the weekend we had to get it some food so my family went to a pet food stop uh and got these pinkies these mice they feed to snakes right and they're like basically little babies it's kind of fucked up and you feed them to the hawk and that's what kept the hawk alive while we had them and everybody's happy like oh the hawk's still okay the hawk's gonna be okay but then there was this one mouse left my wife my daughter wanted to keep it as a pet i'm like you can't like this it's going to die like it doesn't have its mom it needs to be fed like and so i decided They're feeding to the chicken They're crying No, don't do it But you fed it to a hawk They're never gonna forgive you But the moment that thing touched down Those fucking chickens Mald it, those little dinosaurs They're monsters Yeah, my in -laws have chickens And yeah, they'll kind of eat whatever Anything put in front of them They'll eat They kill the mouse An actual mouse too Not a pinky But a mouse mouse That got into the cage They have a big chicken coop They get attacked by themselves Do you lose some of them here and there?

[1622] No, they fuck each other up They peck each other up They fucking, they decide to start jacking each other.

[1623] Yeah, what's going on in their brains.

[1624] Yeah, my dog killed a couple of them, unfortunately, and a coyote got one once.

[1625] Yeah, yeah, that's what I was talking about, yeah.

[1626] We lost three.

[1627] It does happen.

[1628] But they fucking kill everything.

[1629] Those chickens, they will fucking kill anything that's small.

[1630] Like, they peck my daughter, and my wife was like, well, they're just dumb.

[1631] They don't know any better.

[1632] I go, no, they're trying to eat her.

[1633] They just can't fucking eat her.

[1634] Are you crazy?

[1635] She's little.

[1636] They're trying to figure out if she's little enough for them to eat.

[1637] They're fucking little dinosaurs, man After I saw After I heard that episode And you talk about I had my girlfriend Listen to her Because she loves chicken You know Like she thinks So much like Healthy or cleaner Than anything else You know I'm like I listen to this shit You know Kind of messed her up a little bit Well chicken is healthy You know I know I'm just When you hear that You're kind of like Taking a back you know I just look Factory farming I think everybody can agree Is a monstrous side effect Of civilization It's horrific And that's what's really wrong With the way we get our food.

[1638] Yeah, you stuff so many of them in a cage and all that kind of stuff, yeah.

[1639] The documentary Food Inc. Have you seen it?

[1640] Yes, I have.

[1641] That's a great documentary.

[1642] Yeah.

[1643] It's amazing, you know, it's amazing.

[1644] That's, that's the darkness, you know, and if you feel better of not, from not consuming animals, good for you.

[1645] The problem is not those people.

[1646] The problem is those people that are aggressively dushy to anybody who eats meat.

[1647] Right.

[1648] You know, they just, oh my God, I get them on my, I troll them now.

[1649] I put hashtag vegan on meat dishes when I, when I fucking cook anything that has meat in it.

[1650] Okay, I'm with you on that.

[1651] Let's start hashtaging that.

[1652] Well, you can just say you're vegan for certain meals, too, because I see you post stuff on salads, right?

[1653] Oh, I eat a lot of salads.

[1654] Yeah, vegan meal.

[1655] Hashtag vegan meal.

[1656] That's what I eat, like, most of my breakfast, most of the time.

[1657] So if I'm not eating eggs, I'm eating a kale shake.

[1658] Yeah, but that's not how they take it.

[1659] You're either in or you're out of the club, man. Either you're in or in the way.

[1660] Yeah.

[1661] I understand their motivation.

[1662] I just think the way they go about it is so wrong, and it turns people.

[1663] off.

[1664] It's like the people that are against fur throwing paint on people with like that's not going to stop it.

[1665] It's going to make somebody mad.

[1666] That's it.

[1667] A lot of those animals that they get fur from are cunts.

[1668] How about that?

[1669] Martin.

[1670] You ever see that video?

[1671] We showed that video last week of the Martin chasing down the rabbit.

[1672] Holy shit.

[1673] Just Martin.

[1674] I didn't even know what a Martin was until I watched those.

[1675] I don't know what I was coming up.

[1676] Shows.

[1677] You ever see those shows like the Alaska guys that live in the mountains and go fur trapping and shit?

[1678] a martin is like this little weasel and it's not any bigger than a rabbit and this rabbit's running and the martin's running after it and they're filming it on this like snowy road and it's a long chase I mean like hundreds and hundreds of yards here it is look at this look at this look at that little fucker running yeah he's hauling ass and he's chasing after this rabbit and this rabbit is up ahead of them what is the name of this video if somebody wants to watch if they listen to this podcast it says Martin chasing down rabbit I put it on my Twitter a long time ago Holy shit And this is like Halfway into the video Jamie did it in the middle What are they filming this on an iPhone The rabbit goes off I'm like a snowmobile or something No it's a car The rabbit goes off into the side And they do And the motherfucker grabs them Ah damn But look They're the same size The rabbit is even actually Bigger than the Martin But he jacks him with his face And then drags him up the hill And that's what they make Fur coats out of?

[1679] Yeah Those guys That's a big one for fur trappers Yeah Yeah.

[1680] Not that there's anything wrong what the Martin did.

[1681] That's what they do.

[1682] That's how they live.

[1683] Just a mean bastard.

[1684] That's all.

[1685] That's how we gets by.

[1686] Yeah.

[1687] It's hard out there for a pimp.

[1688] Cold as fuck where they live, you know.

[1689] Living up there in Alaska.

[1690] What is the, did you get any conclusions out of doing this documentary?

[1691] I mean, is there anything that you got out of it where you, like, you think that's important for people to know?

[1692] Yeah, I mean, I've learned a lot myself.

[1693] I think the number one thing, uh, that I've learned, it's very simple.

[1694] Like, I'm not educated enough or have enough experience to really save anybody.

[1695] I think anybody out there that has a friend or a family member struggling with drugs or alcohol, the number one thing that you can constantly do is drive them towards getting help, whatever that help is, whether it's going to AA meetings, whether it's going to, you know, a rehab or whatever, is just, you know, constantly driving them aware that they need help.

[1696] They might not even know.

[1697] Driving them towards getting help, because that's, like, the most important thing that you can do.

[1698] You know, and I think that, you know, a lot of people will talk shit about, AA and say it doesn't work, but I've seen it work.

[1699] I've seen, you know, every Saturday morning down in the Palisades.

[1700] There's a meeting.

[1701] There's like 200 guys there.

[1702] And a lot of these people have been sober for 30 years, you know, so they're still going to meetings and they're still helping people and it's a great community.

[1703] So I...

[1704] That's kind of a part of it too, right?

[1705] Being in a community of sober people, you don't want to disappoint the other people in the community.

[1706] The people I've met in AA are some of my best friends.

[1707] They're like the best, you know, like they're all, everybody's trying to do good.

[1708] You know, like they've maybe messed up in the past and we feel bad about it and now everything we do is geared towards like trying to help people and do good.

[1709] Jamie, did you pull up anything on Ibogane and how Ibogam works?

[1710] I found a couple stories, but they weren't really, I didn't find like actual kind of process or anything.

[1711] I, B -O -G -I -N -E, I think.

[1712] Is that how I you spell it?

[1713] I'm going to say something just to -report tomorrow.

[1714] I'll just say something just to contrast him a little bit is you don't need to be an expert to help somebody, you know, you can help somebody, you know, like he's saying drive them towards you know making making sure they're getting help um that was a kind of an issue with him and also an issue with my oldest brother is uh especially with my oldest brother i kind of felt like i don't i don't know anything about like all this addiction stuff i don't understand he's like bipolar but i don't know if he's bipolar and the ups and downs or because of the drugs or or a combination thereof i don't know what the hell's going on so almost felt defeated in a way and then anyone out there listening that has dealt with addicts before you get burned by them so many times that it just leaves you, you know, with a sour taste in your mouth and you don't even really want to help to a certain point.

[1715] But you have to help.

[1716] You have to continue to reach out.

[1717] You have to realize that it's not the person is becoming a different person over a period of time.

[1718] They're not the same person that they once were and you have to try to help them.

[1719] And you don't need to be an expert.

[1720] You don't need to know shit about addiction.

[1721] All you need to know is that they need to get help and that a lot of the stuff that's happening and you'll kind of hear them say it over and over again.

[1722] They blame stuff on other people all the time.

[1723] It's not really their fault.

[1724] They don't, they literally don't have control anymore.

[1725] I don't want to make excuses for people, but that's the predicament that they get in.

[1726] That's a predicament.

[1727] My oldest brother was in, and we weren't able to pull him out of it, and that's a predicament that he was in, and we're able to, are able to save his life.

[1728] It was one of the things you brought up in the documentary is bipolar, and the diagnosis for bipolar, and how many more people were diagnosed?

[1729] It went up to 5 ,000.

[1730] in 10 years or something like that and what is the excuse of for that is that they didn't know before or is it just that they're trying to sell people medication they're trying yeah they're trying to sell people on stuff and that happened with like adderol and riddle in as well i think that like bipolar is definitely a real thing and it's a lot i think it's like the real bipolar is a lot more rare than than is being diagnosed so what i say what is bipolar exactly mean like what is it just means that you're you're at different poles like you're you're uh one one one time you're really happy and hey it's so great to see it another time you're an asshole you know so it's just both uh opposite end of the spectrum we all kind of ironic because that's how our addicts are yeah and we all have that anyway like we all have a little bit of like hey i'm really happy with tom and i'm mad they wouldn't treat our brothers sometimes for certain things because they wanted them to get clean first but it's like shit hot you know he's he's already an addict how the fuck do we get him clean there's something to the fact that they didn't want to treat the bipolar it was You're right.

[1731] There's similar things.

[1732] Mark says something really important in the documentary.

[1733] He said, I talked to our older brother, and the one thing that he said to me is the only time I felt normal was when I was in jail because I was completely sober.

[1734] He had gotten thrown in jail for like.

[1735] Yeah, and I was like, well, shit, maybe you're not bipolar.

[1736] Yeah, maybe you're not bipolar.

[1737] Maybe it's a, maybe it's all the stuff you're taking.

[1738] Maybe a lot of the drugs are the biggest part of it, you know.

[1739] Wow.

[1740] So how long was he in jail for?

[1741] Three months.

[1742] And that time, he felt okay.

[1743] Whoa.

[1744] Yeah, I know.

[1745] That was the craziest thing to me, too.

[1746] That's nuts.

[1747] and then when he got out, he just started going back to his old ways.

[1748] Yeah, yeah, and he would just go up and down.

[1749] What did he get thrown in jail for her?

[1750] It was just a violating probation.

[1751] I mean, like, he was a bouncer at a bunch of bars, and he got to so many fights, and he, you know.

[1752] Town badass.

[1753] Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[1754] Beat up a lot of people.

[1755] If there was M .MA around back then, he might have had a career.

[1756] Yeah.

[1757] You know, but, like, he was kind of that guy.

[1758] Like, he never was a bully.

[1759] He never bossed anybody around.

[1760] But if he saw you and somebody was, like, choking you, he'd go up and kick the guy's ass.

[1761] Like, you know, that's, you're done.

[1762] And it was never enough for him either to just hit somebody.

[1763] You know, you had to fucking throw a bar stool on top of him or something afterwards.

[1764] He was one of those guys.

[1765] So the bipolar diagnosis and the fact that after he was in jail for three months, he felt totally normal.

[1766] Do you think that all the highs and lows are just coming from the drugs in his system and out of a system and the fluctuating levels and just didn't know how to feel?

[1767] I think that's a big part of it.

[1768] I mean, I can't really speak for him, but I know for myself, When I was trying to get off of the drugs, I went on a horrible drug called Suboxone, which is a miracle drug for the time you need it.

[1769] But the problem is I was on it for eight months instead of for, you know, one week.

[1770] And what is, that's a heroin drug, right?

[1771] Yeah.

[1772] Well, it's, it's a, it's an opiate that helps you get off of other opiates.

[1773] So it's kind of a weird thing.

[1774] And does that, did that make you feel high when you're on that stuff?

[1775] No, no, you don't really feel high.

[1776] You just don't feel sick.

[1777] And so, uh, but what happened to me, I was on, I was on it for like a really long extended period of time.

[1778] and I felt completely out of whack all the time.

[1779] I felt like very up and down because if I didn't have the drug in me, I would have like anxiety.

[1780] Oh my God, I'm going to get withdrawals.

[1781] You know, if I didn't, if I was running out of it, I get, you know, anxiety.

[1782] I just had so many ups and downs from that particular drug.

[1783] And I think also from the opiate pain killers, they always made me somebody that I wasn't.

[1784] They always, like, made me call my girlfriend at the time and yell at her.

[1785] So do some asshole thing that, like, wasn't me, you know?

[1786] They made you do that.

[1787] Like you felt compelled to do that in a way that you would never feel compelled to do it if you were or not.

[1788] Yeah, I mean, you're always, you always break it down to the truth.

[1789] Yeah, they didn't, they didn't force me to do it.

[1790] But while I was on those, I exhibited behavior that I wouldn't normally do.

[1791] Well, the fucking girl in the movie lights herself on fire.

[1792] Yeah.

[1793] You know, she's on, that was, that story was so fucking sad.

[1794] That story killed me. But, yeah, they make you do some crazy shit.

[1795] Like, and when I say make, I think they literally kind of make you do some crazy stuff because I don't think you're really in that much.

[1796] control anymore.

[1797] Well, your brain is a bunch of synapses and a bunch of neurochemicals reacting and there's a bunch of shit going on.

[1798] When you add some new shit in there and you're throwing some massive opiates in there and all of a sudden, all the signals are all fucking crossed and everything's firing goofy.

[1799] It's literally not you.

[1800] And it goes to that same fact of like, I think therapy is really important for people.

[1801] I think therapy is something that you get to do.

[1802] It's not something you have to do you know like you kind of get to do it it's like a some sort you know it's like a luxury i think and and the thing is that um people a lot of people will go to therapy and then they they want to get a drug with it you know like they want to go like i said we have this drug seeking behavior where we're like well a pill will fix me but talking to this guy's not going to fix me when actually talking to the guys what can fix you what can be the cure it's like uh we have these things called escape fires i don't know if you know what that is but like in firefighting you know there was this giant fire and there was 15 firefighters on a hill and a guy one of the guys said hey I'm going to light a fire to make the fire jump over this thing and people like and we'll be safe and everybody was like no that's not going to work and the guy lit a match and did it and he was the only one to survive everybody else was trying to get off the mountain and they all died and like that's the problem with America is wait a minute how's that work I'm just saying well it's you can it's called an escape fire so you can light a fire to make the fire sort of go around you I don't know exactly how that works, but what I'm saying is, like, the answer a lot, the answer a lot of times can be right in front of our face.

[1803] I can say, you know what, this person needs any therapy, and the person won't do it.

[1804] So that's a big problem with America and our, you know, we want an answer, we want a solution.

[1805] We want a pill.

[1806] We want a quick fix.

[1807] You want a pill to get you off pills.

[1808] But if I'm standing there, I say, you know what, guys, come with me. I have the answer.

[1809] Everybody's like, no, you don't.

[1810] We already know that that's not a good answer.

[1811] You know, so I think that's a problem.

[1812] It's like we have to open our eyes and open our minds and start thinking of different ways to heal pain, to cure pain.

[1813] You know, I mean, you're never going to cure it.

[1814] You're going to hold it down for a while.

[1815] You know, I think the only way to like fix something really is like surgery or like you said stem cells now.

[1816] And everything's so progressive that I have a shoulder that I have a rotator cuff surgery that I need to have.

[1817] And I've just held off on getting the surgery because I feel like getting my shoulder open and doing whatever is going to do more damage.

[1818] actually, you know, fix it, which is maybe a stupid thing to think, but I'm actually trying to figure out, like, hey, stem cell, our stem cell is good?

[1819] Is there another answer to this, you know?

[1820] I haven't found it yet, but, you know, maybe I will.

[1821] And if I, if I don't, then I'll go get the surgery, but I'm trying to explore other options.

[1822] Yeah, it's not a bad idea to explore other options, but it really depends entirely upon how badly your shoulder's damaged, how badly the structure of the joint is damaged.

[1823] And the shoulder's a weird one because it moves so weird.

[1824] It's got so many different ways it can articulate, you know.

[1825] It's a tear in the rotating.

[1826] Cure Cuff.

[1827] Super common.

[1828] Yeah.

[1829] You know, one of the things that we talked about before about these advertising, the ability to advertise for drugs, I don't know if they're ever going to take that down, but I think that that is one of the more disturbing aspects of the pharmaceutical industry because we all know that advertising gets people to buy shit.

[1830] Oh, yeah.

[1831] And it's not that big of a problem when it's a car or when it's an iPhone.

[1832] I don't have a problem with it.

[1833] You know, I mean, people can say, well, it can, you know, it supports consumerism and materialism and that's not bad that's not good for our culture you can just you could be strong enough to get past that and I think you're going to be all right but the pill thing well it's different we trust doctors like you don't go to a car dealership trusting the car dealer to be like you know right to be the best bargain yeah take care and take care of your life it's also they suggest that you ask your doctor like shouldn't your fucking doctor tell you what medication exactly and do you know that people that ask their doctor when I go in the stats say when you go in and ask your doctor for a pill, 75 % of the people will get that pill.

[1834] So that's, that's crazy because here's what happens with doctors.

[1835] The doctors are overprescribing for sure, but their hands are tied because if I go into a doctor and I tell them I'm in pain, their job, according to the medical industry, their job is to get me out of pain.

[1836] So how do they get me out of pain?

[1837] They give me opiate painkillers.

[1838] They give me all these different things to get me out of pain.

[1839] Now, if they don't get me out of pain and I fill out a doctor survey and say, you know what, my doctor didn't get me out of pain, that doctor gets a bad rating.

[1840] They get enough bad ratings.

[1841] They can lose their license.

[1842] So there's a lot of pressure on doctors.

[1843] Also, how the hell does anybody know how much pain you're in?

[1844] Yeah, that's a big one, right?

[1845] Like neck pain or back pain?

[1846] Oh, yeah, it really hurts.

[1847] Like on a scale of one to ten, ten.

[1848] Yeah, anybody can say that they've got something wrong with their back.

[1849] And I talk about painkiller.

[1850] You know, painkiller is actually a great thing for acute pain.

[1851] So you get in a car accident, you have a broken leg, whatever.

[1852] You take some oxicon, you don't feel it, and you take that for, what, two or three days?

[1853] You know, you don't take that for for months because then you become a drug addict.

[1854] So I think that if also like the prescribing and the number of actual pills we give people needs to come down, we just make way too many drugs.

[1855] Is it all just money driven, you think?

[1856] Because, you know, like if you get a ticket, you know, you get a speeding ticket, that's like on your record and you get another speeding ticket and it shows up, right?

[1857] How come they don't have something similar with drugs?

[1858] You know, when you get prescribed a drug, like how come you don't have like a record?

[1859] well there is at least at least within the state in california there is a there is a thing but the problem is not everybody's required to use it it's not mandatory so right when it when that kind of stuff becomes mandatory should be fucking because a lot of people say well it's my privacy like if i go if i go to Costco shouldn't be able to know what i get at walgreens and i'm like you know what at some point we have to lose that privacy issue because it's killing people well to protect people yeah we're to protect people i think sometimes in society we need laws to protect people from themselves yeah yeah well that's what caused the whole oxycontin industry in Florida was that they didn't have a database where you could go to a doctor get a prescription then go down the road get another prescription from another doctor when the vanguard released that that piece of the oxycontin Express which really kind of highlighted that and it showed a bunch of people in that people that eventually wound up dying of overdoses but when they followed them around and found out how easy it is to go to these pain management centers that's what changed the industry And that's what also changed the pills to be able to crush them up and smoke them when you can't do that anymore.

[1860] They call those pill mills.

[1861] They have pill mills and people just go.

[1862] There's people at West Virginia, there's a movie called OxyCana.

[1863] I've pretty much seen every drug movie now.

[1864] So OxyCana was a pretty interesting movie where it was just about one single town in West Virginia.

[1865] And that's like the nickname of the town.

[1866] And these people drive from West Virginia down to Florida, get like a thousand pills, come back and sell them on.

[1867] That's what they do.

[1868] And for West Virginia, they got a lot of money.

[1869] doing it and stuff like that you know because everything's cheaper there but uh they've caused an epidemic there there's there's you know a couple hundred people that live in that town there and there's a couple people that are trafficking all these drugs in and making this this huge problem yeah those depression commercials are particularly problematic man where everybody's smiling there's butterflies and flowers and you see the sun coming up on the person's face and all of a sudden they're smiling again and you want that like it's it's really dangerous because it's so influential you watch a commercial And those commercials, like, it's visual, there's music playing, there's a pretty girl, this sun, and it's so influential.

[1870] They have those little sad, like, not like stick figures, but little fat, chubby faces.

[1871] A little, like, round moons.

[1872] Yeah, yeah, yeah, a little round.

[1873] The whole point of the advertisement is really, is to sell you, like, they have to list the side effects, right?

[1874] That's part of it.

[1875] Like that, real quick.

[1876] But the thing is, the whole rest of the commercials, just to distract you from the side effects.

[1877] one of the commercials is showing a woman which I you know it's fine they can but it just seems random they show this woman getting like this like a backhoe and she's operating this backhoe and as she's operating this backhoe they say don't operate heavy machinery while using this product and you're like this is so backwards she's operating like some sort of like crane or a backhoe and she's like in like a business outfit again they're like don't operate heavy machinery and you're like where are these people getting you know who are the ad wizards behind this one yeah yeah it's just And then the other thing was the saying that medication for depression didn't do any better, didn't get people any less depressed than any other method of treating it.

[1878] Yeah.

[1879] And like you said, you had a friend that, you know, he did some antidepressants and it helped them.

[1880] Yeah.

[1881] And who knows?

[1882] If he just got off fucking propitia, it might have cut it off right there.

[1883] Yeah.

[1884] And also, though, I don't know enough about it to say people like shouldn't take this or shouldn't take that.

[1885] What I'd say is like, look into it more.

[1886] You know, you have to become your own doctor, you know.

[1887] And if I say, like, look, I know how effective antidepressants are, how effective they're not.

[1888] But if I say it, people just slam me for it.

[1889] They're like, oh, this guy, you know, he's not a doctor, whatever.

[1890] So what I'm saying to you is go out and do your research on it, you know, and find out how effective or non -effective your drug is.

[1891] It just seems crazy that they're allowed to advertise.

[1892] And that seems like something we have to stop.

[1893] But the amount of money that they have, the amount, I mean, the woman on that documentary.

[1894] Yeah.

[1895] The woman in the documentary whose niece burnt herself.

[1896] to death.

[1897] She said it best.

[1898] They're drug pushers.

[1899] They're legal drug.

[1900] It was her, right?

[1901] Yeah.

[1902] Yeah.

[1903] They're legal drug pushers.

[1904] And the fact that we allow them to advertise on television like that, that's got to stop.

[1905] It's got to stop.

[1906] I think it's one of the most important messages.

[1907] We took tobacco off TV and you know, we still have a huge there's still a large amount of people that die from smoking cigarettes and whatever.

[1908] But like, it's sort of their freedom now.

[1909] It's like their choice.

[1910] Like they know it's bad.

[1911] It has a warning on.

[1912] It says, this could kill you.

[1913] if used as directed this could kill you and uh these pills aren't saying that no they're not saying that but documentaries like yours are and i think we need more stuff like that we need more things like what you did where people get a hold of it and they watch it and they they listen to the message and they go you know what there's this is this is something that this is something that needs to be talked about this is something that you're not hearing you're not hearing our leaders talk about you're not hearing our politicians talk about who're running for office they're not talking about this massive epidemic that's killing more people than car accidents.

[1914] That was another interesting statistic from your movie that pill overdoses kill more people every year than car accidents.

[1915] I'm lucky I came out the other side and my brother didn't, you know, our brother, Mad Dog, he didn't make it make it out the other side.

[1916] And now my...

[1917] I've lost two friends.

[1918] I've lost two friends to OxyCon.

[1919] We lost an uncle as well, yeah.

[1920] Yeah.

[1921] And my goal is just to help people not be in the predicament I was in.

[1922] It's terrible, you know, and it's terrible.

[1923] It's terrible.

[1924] people email me on Facebook and I encourage people tweet me email me ask me questions I'm not I'm not too busy to help somebody in need so there's so many people out here listening to you that are listening to this podcast that are just like us that know people that have died there's so many it's such a fucking and like you said that one guy acting really weird if you have a friend it's acting strange it's not showing up on time to certain things that's avoiding you when you call them and just not communicating with you anymore you're going to have to try to figure out a way to reach out that person because something's probably up yeah and like you're like you're You know, rehab is very expensive, and I want to tell people, don't use that as an excuse.

[1925] Don't use, like, it's too expensive.

[1926] I can't afford it as an excuse.

[1927] Hit me up and we'll figure out how to get it done.

[1928] There's AA is free.

[1929] There's a lot of ways to do this.

[1930] There's probably a lot of programs, too, I'd imagine.

[1931] Yeah, there's ways to approach this.

[1932] There's government programs.

[1933] There's a certain insurance you can get.

[1934] Like, there's a lot of things that a lot of people don't know, and they should know.

[1935] So if somebody out there is struggling, like, you know, feel free to hit me up, and I'll help as many people as I can.

[1936] What else do you think that people need to know?

[1937] about the prescription drug industry that you think is like a it's not not being talked about on a daily basis I think they're they're just being lied to a lot of people are being lied to these studies that they do they only have to do two studies they only have to show the FDA two studies that are effective and when I say effective they just mean they have to be slightly more effective than a sugar pill which means like it could be just you know some crappy drug and you know and that could be the placebo effects and we said I feel better because I'm taking this, right?

[1938] So that doesn't seem like as much of a hurdle as a drug companies make it out to be.

[1939] Yes, it costs, you know, a lot of money to get a drug to market.

[1940] Like they say almost like a billion dollars sometimes just to get a drug to the market.

[1941] But they're going to make so much more money off that and profit off that.

[1942] And then part of that money in the research and development, well, just put it this way.

[1943] Last year, I think it was last year, and John Oliver said this.

[1944] John Oliver did a great piece on this on his show.

[1945] And he says that, I think last year that nine out of the top 10 drug company spent more money on advertising than they did on research and development.

[1946] That's a big fuck you to all of us.

[1947] That is a big fuck you.

[1948] Yeah, right, in all of our faces.

[1949] They save a lot of money for lawsuits, too.

[1950] That's like the price of business is them to save a lot of money, put a lot of money away.

[1951] But then they do the calculations.

[1952] They run the numbers.

[1953] And they're like, okay, well, if this many people try to sue us for death or whatever the fuck is their problem, we're still going to make out with $4 billion.

[1954] or whatever it is.

[1955] There's all kinds of crazy stuff like that.

[1956] It's just factored into the profit margin.

[1957] You know, if I sell $8 billion.

[1958] That's standard business practice.

[1959] Like GM does that and stuff.

[1960] Like a lot of companies, you know, it's just the way people do stuff.

[1961] If I bank $8 billion and I lost $2 billion in a lawsuit, who cares?

[1962] It's just $6 billion on top.

[1963] All right.

[1964] Yeah, the studies, the way you showed how they do their studies, too, that was really an eye -opening thing.

[1965] They have hundreds of studies and they don't have to show you the results.

[1966] The problem is, if there, listen, if there's not.

[1967] nothing wrong with this.

[1968] If I'm not being lied to, then why the fuck did the DFTA not do an interview with me?

[1969] Why did the D .E. They wouldn't do it?

[1970] No. They're like, you can just look on our website, all our shit's on our website.

[1971] Are you fucking kidding me?

[1972] I want to do an interview with you.

[1973] I want to talk to you.

[1974] I want to ask you questions.

[1975] I want to ask the DEA who's responsible for how many drugs are made each year.

[1976] What the hell?

[1977] Like, what's going on here?

[1978] And they won't, these people are public servants.

[1979] They work for us and they won't do interviews.

[1980] And that's bullshit.

[1981] You know, like that's something that makes me angry because, like, I had all these ideas for the movie.

[1982] I'm going to ask this guy.

[1983] I'm going to ask this guy.

[1984] And they just don't want to talk to you.

[1985] Whoa.

[1986] That's disturbing because you would feel like someone who's a public servant like that.

[1987] That they have an obligation to, they should have some sort of a PR representative that has an obligation to state their policy.

[1988] Yeah, the PR representative told me, like, basically, like, I'm, you know, I'm not NBC.

[1989] I'm not CBS.

[1990] I'm not HBO.

[1991] I always do all my movies independently and then, you know, bring them to somebody afterwards.

[1992] And so that's kind of a tough thing, too.

[1993] It's like not calling up and have the credentials of like...

[1994] Yeah, but you have two established documentaries that have done very well.

[1995] Yeah, I think that, uh, I also think that people might have seen those documentaries and say, hey, we're not coming in our doors, you know?

[1996] Yeah.

[1997] Yeah, you fucking troublemaker.

[1998] Throw us under the bus.

[1999] Yeah.

[2000] Man, it's just bizarre, bizarre, bizarre world we live in where this is the norm.

[2001] They're these, these pills that people are taking, these consciousness altering pills that they're trying to force down people's throats that was the other thing that i wanted to talk about the connection between statins and like how little statins work and the fact that statins the people that sell them also sell viagra yeah so statin'll make you impotent yeah and then they sell viagra to you know give you a boner afterwards well there's that new commercial too with the uh constipation oh yeah if you're taking opiate pills and and they're and you're getting constipated we have another pill for you that's probably the same goddamn company if you're taking uh if you're taking uh if you're taking a psych vet and it's not working, you got to throw a billify on top of that.

[2002] The billify is supposed to be, like, really scary for people, too.

[2003] It's all scary.

[2004] But the billify is, like, one of those ones that really gives you, like, a rabid suicidal thugs.

[2005] Wait, but wait a second.

[2006] Are doctors really telling me, telling us, you and me, that we need to take an antidepressant.

[2007] And if it doesn't work.

[2008] If it doesn't work, take another antidepressant.

[2009] On top of it.

[2010] But you know what?

[2011] Don't smoke weed.

[2012] That would be bad for you.

[2013] That would be bad for you.

[2014] It seems like marijuana would fix, could fix those problems of anxiety and stress and You know, confused, you know, whatever.

[2015] I've never just said marijuana fixing anxiety because it makes me anxious as fuck.

[2016] It makes you paranoid.

[2017] A little bit, yeah.

[2018] What makes me aware.

[2019] I mean, I think that paranoia is just be you being aware of how vulnerable you really are and how crazy the world really is.

[2020] You start thinking a weird shit, yeah.

[2021] You start thinking about it as, you know, what it is.

[2022] But statins, so statins don't really help you?

[2023] Well, look about it.

[2024] If you lower cholesterol, what's that going to do for you?

[2025] Well, this good cholesterol and bad cholesterol.

[2026] And we have this idea in our head that we have to get rid of cholesterol.

[2027] Yeah, but I think getting, like, lowering your cholesterol, they say really doesn't have much of an effect on, like, whether or not you're going to have a heart attack.

[2028] It's not like one of the markers anymore.

[2029] Like, I think that the problem is not as a big of a factor as they once thought.

[2030] And the problem is like, do you really need to lower your cholesterol?

[2031] Do you really need to, like, you know, fix your diet and do, like, do it through other ways?

[2032] Well, it's responsible for a lot of brain functions.

[2033] Yeah.

[2034] It's responsible for a lot of testosterone.

[2035] Yeah, I think, you know, people's cholesterol and triglycerides and stuff go through the roof just because poor eating habits, not necessarily because they eat saturated fats.

[2036] Yeah, well, saturated fats, that's another thing that people keep saying.

[2037] Saturated fats are bad for you.

[2038] They parrot old studies.

[2039] No, they're not bad for you.

[2040] Saturated fats, it depends entirely on what you're eating, what your body requirements are.

[2041] If you eat too much of anything, you're going to get fat, and that's not healthy.

[2042] If you're getting your saturated fats from pizza, that's probably not the best option, especially if you're eating like four or five times a day or something.

[2043] Yeah.

[2044] That's not good.

[2045] I love pizza.

[2046] Well, we're all adults, right?

[2047] But we're all learning from other adults that, you know, our parents and our parents' parents that didn't have much fucking information.

[2048] So we're growing up with these people that really didn't know what they were talking about.

[2049] They really didn't have any idea.

[2050] We're eating sugary cereal for breakfast.

[2051] And, you know, we just didn't know.

[2052] The studies that our parents had in the 1960s and the 1970s, what they had to go on, the information that they were given, it's just so poor in comparison to what we know now.

[2053] Jack Alain knew it was up.

[2054] He did.

[2055] He was drinking juices and green juice.

[2056] He's on top of it.

[2057] I definitely want to do, I was saying I have a project.

[2058] I want to do that basically, you know, one day you'll read in the newspaper that you should drink coffee.

[2059] It has all these health benefits.

[2060] And the next day you'll read it.

[2061] It's bad for you, right?

[2062] So you have all these conflicting things all the time.

[2063] Go vegan.

[2064] Don't go vegan.

[2065] Do keto, don't do.

[2066] And nobody really knows the truth.

[2067] And I don't know the truth.

[2068] So like, that's what I want to do is go out and seek, basically do myth busters in the world of health and fitness.

[2069] Because, like, there are people out there.

[2070] that no, we just have to go find them and expose them to the world so other people can know.

[2071] There are a few people out there that have a really good understanding of most of what they're talking about.

[2072] Sure.

[2073] But the problem is when it comes to the human body, there's so many fucking variables.

[2074] And then there's also so many different types of people.

[2075] There's some people that just, they need different nutritional requirements.

[2076] They have different nutritional requirements that maybe you do or I do.

[2077] There's just, there's no getting around that.

[2078] We always talk about our friend, Dr. Lane Norton, who kind of brought flexible dieting to the forefront.

[2079] I'm not sure how familiar you are with it, but basically it's almost like weight watchers in a way where it's like you can have all kinds of things.

[2080] You can eat some pizza.

[2081] You can have some ice cream.

[2082] You can eat steak.

[2083] You can eat chicken.

[2084] You can eat all over the map as long as you're kind of fitting within a calorie.

[2085] Macros.

[2086] Yeah, as long as it fits your macros, as long as it fits your caloric intake for the day.

[2087] And let's not be stupid about it.

[2088] You can't be, you know, eating junk every day all the time.

[2089] Well, people take his stuff out of context, right?

[2090] And they'll say, well, they post pictures of Pop Tarts and say I'm on flexible diet.

[2091] And it's like, well, you didn't post the 95 % of the stuff that you ate that was healthy.

[2092] Yeah, chicken and rice or whatever.

[2093] Or like vegan Oreos?

[2094] Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[2095] I don't you think, though, that there's a trend that people kind of understanding this a little bit more now?

[2096] At least it's starting to gain momentum.

[2097] You've seen people that are concentrating on organic vegetables.

[2098] I mean, even just like the seminar that I did where there was, I don't know how many people there.

[2099] There was a bunch of fucking people there.

[2100] Yeah, there's a shitload of people there.

[2101] I mean, years ago, if I did a power thing seminar, I couldn't, I couldn't beg people to go to it.

[2102] The difference is there's women there now.

[2103] There's girls, you know, it's like weird.

[2104] It's like, wow.

[2105] They figured out the way to get that big, juicy ass.

[2106] Yeah.

[2107] When we were powerlifting, we were teenagers.

[2108] White women are evolving.

[2109] Yeah, we would go into these power lifting meats.

[2110] They're getting that ass.

[2111] But yeah, it's changing, you know.

[2112] People are starting to learn that strength is important.

[2113] Even as you get older, as you get into your 40s and 50s and 60s.

[2114] It's more important even because you need to keep your bone density and keep your muscle mass. It's important for women.

[2115] You know, they have osteoporosis.

[2116] You see these guys when you go on vacation and you go by the pool and their bodies are just gone.

[2117] Their shoulders don't exist.

[2118] They look like old women.

[2119] I just want to run up to them and put them in an Americana and just rip their shoulder apart because it's just, it's not attached to anything.

[2120] Did you see that?

[2121] Joe Rogah guy, it's like loosely, loosely hanging on.

[2122] You just feel like, you're not together.

[2123] Can I please film that?

[2124] If you do that.

[2125] I would never do that.

[2126] I'm just kidding.

[2127] Come on.

[2128] But, I mean, you look at their bodies, you know, like, my God, if this guy has to pick up anything, his body's going to break.

[2129] Right.

[2130] And this is a guy who at one point in time was a teenager.

[2131] Right.

[2132] It was a young, happy, vibrant kid.

[2133] Working on the railroads or something.

[2134] Like doing some, yeah, badass.

[2135] Or maybe it's just been gross his whole life.

[2136] But you see people as they get older.

[2137] My point is that if you live that sedentary lifestyle and you're sitting in an office all day and if you're not making your body work, it's going to fucking atrophy and it's going to break down.

[2138] Bend down, pick some stuff up, do some squats.

[2139] When I go to the airport, when you go to the airport, you realize how unhealthy this country is because people are coming from everywhere.

[2140] And I go to the airport, like, what was this in the airport in Ohio?

[2141] And I'm like, there's not a lot of healthy people here.

[2142] Ohio's awesome.

[2143] How about Disneyland?

[2144] Yeah, there's not a lot of healthy people.

[2145] And it's sad because you're only making up one percent of the people.

[2146] And if you see somebody who's kind of jacked, you're like, hey, what's up, man?

[2147] It's rare.

[2148] You're the only ones, you know?

[2149] Well, how about when you go to Disneyland, it seems like a scooter festival now?

[2150] Everyone's on scooters.

[2151] These people, there's so many people that have eaten their way out of walking.

[2152] They don't walk anymore.

[2153] They're oozing over the sides of these scooters.

[2154] It's what it is.

[2155] And you could say all day that it's a disease, you could say all, but it's real simple.

[2156] You're putting too much food in your body, your body's getting too big.

[2157] It's really simple.

[2158] Well, getting so big that, like, fat is now growing in some odd places and stuff.

[2159] I mean, people's bodies are not even no longer in the shape of a normal human being anymore.

[2160] I'm not trying to fat shame people, but that's the truth.

[2161] Don't even say that word because it's not real.

[2162] Fat shaming.

[2163] Yeah.

[2164] It's so dumb.

[2165] If you shame them into losing weight, that's probably beneficial to their health.

[2166] Yeah.

[2167] That's not the way to do, the best way to do it necessarily, but...

[2168] I think people, because they're lazy, fit -shame people.

[2169] Like, they'll see him walking down the street, they'll, you know, the first thing they'll discount all the work, like, oh, steroids, or...

[2170] Of course.

[2171] You know, they'll say, like, you know, oh, that's not healthy.

[2172] Look at that guy.

[2173] Or anybody that's lean, they're like, oh, he cares about it as a gym.

[2174] Yeah.

[2175] Well, not only that, they think you're dumb because you work out.

[2176] You must be dumb.

[2177] You know, I know this guy is a bodybuilder, but he's also, he has a Ph .D. Right.

[2178] And people will think he's dumb because...

[2179] That's great.

[2180] And they're like, oh, my God.

[2181] we just shut the fuck up you know you just everybody wants everybody else to have some sort of a deficit like this guy's rich yeah but I heard he's got no dick you know yeah exactly yeah we always we always have to fucking figure out some way what do they say when they can't find a flaw what do they say dumb cunt she's a bitch yeah I hate that bitch she's a whore she's a wharf the way in the top yeah it's always gonna be that there's always gonna be that but just I feel like people are more conscious about their diet now than they've ever been before and they're more conscious about it because it's kind of been getting out there in the public where it didn't before, you know?

[2182] It is very important, and it is hard to go to a grocery store and find the actual things you need, you know, like, you want to get things that are, you know, they don't have preservatives, they don't have whatever, and you have to, like, look for it.

[2183] Oh, yeah.

[2184] You're kind of a hunter -gatherer again, trying to hunt in the grocery store for the shit that's good for you.

[2185] It's exciting for us, because we've been involved in this for over 20 years.

[2186] And then finally people are starting to pay attention.

[2187] Yeah, we're like, oh, shit, they're talking about stuff.

[2188] We were talking about two decades ago.

[2189] Yeah, how come, And how come it's not mandatory to be taking nutrition all through school?

[2190] Like, it's just, like, ridiculous.

[2191] Like, oh, there's no time for that.

[2192] We have to teach you who the presidents were, and we've got to teach you all this other things that you're never going to use.

[2193] And why not nutrition?

[2194] I show them a documentary on sugar.

[2195] Right.

[2196] Show them a documentary on the effect of sugar.

[2197] Yeah.

[2198] I watched it with my kids.

[2199] My kids were like, what the hell?

[2200] I like that my sugar film.

[2201] The same company, Samuel Goldwyn, that did prescription thugs, put that out.

[2202] And it's cool because that company is just looking for important things to put out.

[2203] Yeah, very, very important.

[2204] The sugar is a crazy one because it's everywhere.

[2205] I've taught my kids from when they were really young that, you know, certain amount of food and excess, you know, junk food is going to make you fat.

[2206] I kept saying it over and over again.

[2207] Now they're older, so I don't say it because I don't want them to have some sort of weird complex about it anymore, but they know.

[2208] Yeah.

[2209] They got the information.

[2210] They got a message got across.

[2211] They're 8 and 12 now, and so.

[2212] Well, if you could just put it in their head, that feeling that you get that feels good when you take it in.

[2213] Healthy versus getting sick and so on.

[2214] But the feeling that you get that feels good when you eat sugary foods.

[2215] Like, that corresponds with a crash, and that crash is really bad for you.

[2216] Right.

[2217] And so, like, now think about that next time you eat ice cream.

[2218] Like, enjoy it.

[2219] But understand that you're doing something bad to your body.

[2220] Because most kids don't know.

[2221] They just, they just, the good part.

[2222] And then they have to realize one day that there's a bad part to it, too.

[2223] You have to teach them that.

[2224] But if you mix it with painkillers, it feels great.

[2225] That was the other thing in your documentary where they're showing the kids, you know, how quickly they get kids on, like, children's claret and...

[2226] Yeah.

[2227] Yeah, well, right now they've just approved oxycodone.

[2228] They've approved oxycodone for like 11 to 16 -year -olds.

[2229] Well, because here's what the problem is.

[2230] Here's what people are saying, and it's bullshit.

[2231] They're like, oh, well, it just makes it easier for a doctor to prescribe oxy -cotton to a cancer pain.

[2232] Like, you're telling me that the FDA is going to come down on a doctor for prescribing oxy -cockton to a kid that is, you know, he's going to die from cancer?

[2233] Like, I don't think so.

[2234] Like, I don't know.

[2235] Maybe they are, but, like, it's so crazy because all that's going to do is create a bigger epidemic.

[2236] Yeah, they're finding a new avenue for sales.

[2237] Yeah, I think they're very aware of that.

[2238] I don't think that's something that needed to happen.

[2239] I think that, you know, these kids that...

[2240] Yeah, who even thought of that?

[2241] Yeah.

[2242] Some fucking monster.

[2243] Just somebody that makes the drug, right?

[2244] No one else is really even thinking about that.

[2245] The lobbies are the most powerful thing in the world, and that's what's...

[2246] Was there anything surprising when you were doing this documentary?

[2247] Was anything that really took you by surprise?

[2248] Yeah, I think...

[2249] What took me by surprise I relapsed during the documentary?

[2250] that was something that I didn't think would happen but that was that was what was the trigger what was what was it the hip replacement you know what what happened was uh I okay so I was taking a lot of prescription painkillers right from my hip replacement surgery fast forward about five years I'm on them for like pretty long time I actually had to get my right hip replaced again so I had three hip surgeries not just two had both hips done and then another you know another hip two years later so it was a constant like painkiller pain killer pain killer pain killer because a doctor doctor, after the first hip surgery, never knew what was wrong with me. It was just this perpetual, you know, cycle.

[2251] Oh, hey, your hip is, two years later, my doctor called me, said, oh, you know what, we screwed that up.

[2252] I'm sorry.

[2253] There's actually your, the socket never grew in properly, and it's moving.

[2254] That's why you're having so much pain.

[2255] I felt like, I felt like I was on fire for two years, you know, like my, my hip was on fire.

[2256] So, um, that was a big part of the drug addiction.

[2257] And then I, basically, my, my best friend Leland was a guy who, uh, he was, you know, he was prescribed.

[2258] painkillers too and he knew what it was like and he was he was never one to uh overdo it you know um but i just remember one day uh i told them like i need to quit these i'm going to die you know and he he would get prescribed painkillers so i would try to get them from him and he would say no no i've cut you off you know you're done and i just realized i needed to get off those painkillers i was going to die so i went on suboxone and that was like another year on suboxone and then when i was on suboxone that doctor put me on like eight other drugs like uh kalanapin and all these other powerful crazy drugs where I banged up my car, you know, driving around.

[2259] So it was like a constant perpetual mix of these prescription drugs.

[2260] And then I decided to get off everything and get clean.

[2261] And I felt like when I did get clean, I felt like I could never sleep.

[2262] So I started drinking like a fish.

[2263] You know, I was drinking vodka, full thing of vodka every day.

[2264] To sleep?

[2265] Yeah, to go to sleep and stop my mind from racing.

[2266] Yeah, I did that too.

[2267] Didn't work.

[2268] No, it didn't work.

[2269] So I became a very heavy, I became a very heavy drinker.

[2270] And I would get these crazy hangovers.

[2271] And that's what I just said, you know what cures a hangover?

[2272] Zanax.

[2273] Wow, that really works for me. And I would go on Craigslist, and I would buy Xanax from a kid in Sun Valley, which is like way the fuck out from Venice.

[2274] You can buy Xanax on Craigslist?

[2275] Yeah, Xanax, OxyCon.

[2276] I showed that in my documentary.

[2277] That was something that the congressman was like, whoa.

[2278] In the movie, yeah.

[2279] And then they stopped doing it, but you were like, I knew about it because I was doing it.

[2280] Yeah.

[2281] And what happened was I lied to him.

[2282] I said, you know, I used to do that like three years ago.

[2283] I just did it three days ago.

[2284] Jesus Christ.

[2285] And you become a good liar, you know, when you're addicted to drugs.

[2286] And I was trying, it was weird.

[2287] It was a weird thing.

[2288] I was trying to make a difference, but I was still doing shit.

[2289] You know, I didn't know how to stop.

[2290] That just seems so crazy that you could buy drugs on Craigslist.

[2291] Yeah, it's insane.

[2292] Yeah.

[2293] I say in the movie, like, they had shut down the whole prostitution thing on Craigslist.

[2294] Why don't they just shut down selling drugs?

[2295] Yeah, why did they shut down the prostitution thing?

[2296] I don't know.

[2297] It seems like a great idea.

[2298] I just went over to backpage .com now.

[2299] Yeah.

[2300] Well, now you let everybody know.

[2301] Yeah.

[2302] There's a service.

[2303] Was there anything else that was surprising when you were doing it?

[2304] I mean, I just, I think a lot of it was surprising like that, the woman, Gwen Olson, who was the pharma rep, who basically, yeah, there was, there was so many things that, like, I always thought that a lot of the stuff I was going to present in the movie was a conspiracy theory, you know, was like, people are going to think I'm crazy.

[2305] But then you find so much proof that, like, you're being lied to that it's crazy.

[2306] the proof keeps mounting and that was that was always surprising to me how every sort of corner I would turn in the movie I'd be like what this is something else that's messed up and then trying to get people to be in a movie and talk about their their drug use isn't is that isn't ever easy you know that's like always a problem yeah that woman was really really it was really profound it was really intense but one of the things that she said what she was talking about are you worried that they're going to kill you she goes no I'm worried that They're going to kill you and you and you and you, and I'm going to be screaming from the rooftops and no one's going to care.

[2307] Yeah.

[2308] I know it sounds crazy, but the whole time people were saying, aren't you afraid they're going to kill you?

[2309] And I said, if they kill me because I made a movie about prescription drugs, that just proves the point.

[2310] You know, like, I'm not going to live my life in fear because I'm not going to make something and tell the truth and somebody's going to kill me. That would be like the worst way to live your life.

[2311] Well, not only that.

[2312] It's not like they have a team of assassins working for the pharmaceutical company, but they don't know.

[2313] to kill you because they're going to keep making billions of dollars.

[2314] Exactly.

[2315] They don't care.

[2316] Like your documentary, as profound as it is, it's only going to put a dent in maybe 1 % of the people that would be thinking about taking those drugs.

[2317] Exactly.

[2318] And that's the problem, you know?

[2319] Well, we can hope is that 1 % will be 10 % in a few years, and maybe 20 % in a decade or more.

[2320] And maybe other people continue to make these documentaries and I'll cover, you know, new information.

[2321] And the thing is, like, you know, yeah, like you said, they're going to keep making money.

[2322] They're going to keep, they're basically printing money anyway.

[2323] You know, they're going to just keep doing it.

[2324] It's scary shit, man. It's scary shit to watch.

[2325] It's scary shit to see people that you know get hooked on these things.

[2326] You know, and it's scary shit to like this guy that I was talking about where I'm like, what is going on with this guy?

[2327] And then one day he tells me about his back.

[2328] I'm like, oh.

[2329] How many people are walking around like that?

[2330] How many people are driving their cars like that?

[2331] I mean, you'll see.

[2332] I'm, like I said, when people, when you do a movie like this, it becomes a confessional.

[2333] And you would be shocked.

[2334] at the people who were doing the same exact thing as I was doing that would look down on me for doing it because they were like well you were a drug addict like I'm not addicted to it like I hear people say that all the time like I'm not addicted though and like yeah but that's where you're going also if you're addicted to something that was prescribed by a doctor maybe you don't feel like a drug addict because you're not like buying shit on the streets maybe you know I know a lady who thinks she looks down on marijuana like in a big way and she just talks trash about it but she takes a Xanax every night right when I literally can't go to sleep without Xanax When I started the movie, I was the exact same way.

[2335] I always thought, we always thought, in our high school, marijuana was for all the dirt bags.

[2336] Like, I felt, I thought that for so long.

[2337] I did I look at him like, did I miss the boat on that?

[2338] Like, you know, maybe, what was I doing, drinking and taking all these pills when something was there?

[2339] You didn't want to be a loser.

[2340] And that's what we were, it was drilled into our head when we were kids, people who smoke potter losers.

[2341] And I think, I think marijuana, there's a slippery slope with marijuana because now that it's become, you know, more accepted medical marijuana in some states it's legal.

[2342] Now they're just ramping it up and make it stronger and stronger and stronger.

[2343] Anything that alters your consciousness can be problematic.

[2344] It could be beneficial or it can be problematic.

[2345] The only good thing about marijuana, it doesn't have a physical addictive property to it where your body desires it in a way where you're going to start sucking dicks and robbing people for it.

[2346] But it certainly can become a problem.

[2347] Yeah, that guy's just been wanting to suck dicks.

[2348] Yeah, yeah.

[2349] Wasn't that like half -baked?

[2350] remember in that movie half -baked I think that anything can be addictive gambling can be addictive you know food porn you know people get obsessed with things that's addiction in a way you know you can get obsessed with all kinds of healthy or unhealthy things and you know I think that what we're seeing with this documentary um is a world that has been growing um it's a it's an epidemic that's been growing that we're just not getting that much exposure to uh in the mainstream we're just we're not hearing these numbers we're not hearing these statistics that you presented in this movie the the the statistics about the 250 million fucking prescriptions a year i mean just that and what's sad is like they put people on this endless cycle all the time like chris leban who's in the movie ufc you know uh he was he was awesome to talk to he's great and then i talked to him like not that long ago he'd gotten some in some trouble so i called him to see how he's doing and like it sucks because he's still on suboxone i'm like yeah you know like that's a drug that you know he's on it he's he said he told me he was still on it and he's still drinking once in a while until he's taking that and it sucks because he's he's a cool guy you know he's a great guy a little reckless here and there but he was he was so awesome to talk to he actually became a friend through doing the movie and i i always worry about my friends like i don't want him to still be on stuff or still be taking stuff you know yeah I wanted to add that the reason why he relapsed was because he tried to stop everything cold turkey on his own.

[2351] And he stopped for seven days, right?

[2352] And then that's when he relapsed.

[2353] So those people out there that think they can do it by themselves, you probably can't.

[2354] You probably need to try to seek some help.

[2355] Well, there's a lot of people that are very strong willed and they feel like I can do it.

[2356] Like some other pussies can't, but I'm going to be able to do it.

[2357] I went through 90 days of rehab and I came out and I've been sober for like 22 months.

[2358] and people in, you know, in my circle say that's a miracle because a lot of people don't even make it that far.

[2359] So I'm just, you know, like I'm just trying to keep going and trying to get healthier because I think it's all a snowball effect.

[2360] You can go snowball effect downhill or you can go snowball effect and, you know, be on the rise and start doing everything right and eating like you're eating and using people like you, like you're a big inspiration to me. I listen to your show all the time.

[2361] I think it's awesome.

[2362] It's a great source of information.

[2363] I have a bunch of different things I do every day and listen to and watch and try to gain information from everybody, you know, become a better person all the time.

[2364] Well, thanks, man. I appreciate it.

[2365] And I do too.

[2366] I have a bunch of different podcasts that I listen to and news sources that I find.

[2367] And I think this is a cool time for that, you know?

[2368] And it's a cool time for, like, a guy like you can come on a podcast and just talk for a few hours and explain everything and be open and people will hear this.

[2369] More than a million people will hear this.

[2370] And it'll open their eyes to what this is all I felt obligated to be open because I felt like I did so much bad shit.

[2371] Like, man, I got to tell people about this.

[2372] And a lot of people are afraid to be an open book, and I understand that.

[2373] And the luxury I have is like, I'm a nobody.

[2374] It doesn't matter, you know.

[2375] I can tell you everything.

[2376] I have nothing to lose.

[2377] Well, you're not a nobody.

[2378] I mean, you're a well -known documentary filmmaker, but I think that it takes balls no matter who you are to do what you did.

[2379] So thanks.

[2380] Thanks for the documentary.

[2381] Thanks for making two awesome documentaries that I've seen.

[2382] I still haven't seen Trophy Kids.

[2383] You'll like trophy kids.

[2384] You'll have kids, you like it.

[2385] You know, the other thing, too, is it's not over.

[2386] You know, he's still working on his life, still working on rebuilding.

[2387] And, you know, it was a financial disaster.

[2388] Well, we decided as a family, we've had, you know, family meetings to figure out how the fuck do we help him, you know?

[2389] So we all got together and now actually moved him out of this pit of L .A. And moved him to Sacramento.

[2390] You're on Sacramento now?

[2391] Yeah, he lives down the street from me, and he works for me now.

[2392] So we're just producing content from my YouTube channel.

[2393] just cranking out awesome information.

[2394] We'll probably do some documentary -style things as well.

[2395] I think it's funny because I inspired him to start working out when he was 12 years old.

[2396] And now he inspires me. I mean, he was a dyslexic kid.

[2397] He was, you know, he's worth millions of dollars now.

[2398] It's crazy because he was always told he couldn't do it.

[2399] He wasn't smart enough and you're not going to make it and all that bullshit, right, that they tell you in school and they put you in a class with the kids that are eating glue.

[2400] And he invented a thing.

[2401] Said the gas gunfire.

[2402] It's almost like a meat.

[2403] Yeah, it's almost like a meat.

[2404] head version of the jerk the movie the jerk he invented a thing that helps you bench press more weight without getting hurt and boom and i think that it's an important message for people to follow what they're passionate about not always worry so much about money because the money came because he followed what he loved to do that's a very good message don't give up on shit don't give up on the people that you love don't give up on the people that you care about we lost one i'm lucky to still have him here he's my hero my other brother was my hero as well just you got to take value in the people that are around you and there's there's inspiration and motivation to be found all over the fucking place stop being so goddamn grumpy and getting on youtube and talking shit i saw your bit that that made me fucking almost cry i was laughing so hard because you're like all you got to do is is close your motherfucking laptop you bitch yeah that's right but uh you know anyway yeah just just try to be positive there's a lot of great things surrounding you speak your fucking eyes he went to uh your show for his birthday and they're his him and his wife they loved it.

[2405] They're laughing her asses off.

[2406] Joey Diaz killed me. Killed that fucking guy.

[2407] Holy shit.

[2408] So he's like, hey, Andy, the day that we come, because his wife is a big part of it.

[2409] He's like, we got, she's like, the day I come back from the Arnold show.

[2410] I was gone for a week.

[2411] Yeah, the day I come back, I'm going to go to Joe Rogan's show.

[2412] I don't really think it's that important to go to Joe Rogan.

[2413] It's all through tech, a lot of miscommunication.

[2414] Like in L .A., like, why is that so important?

[2415] He's like, well, I'm going to go to the show and it'll be awesome.

[2416] I think it'd be good for us You know My brother's going Yeah you need to be with the kids And she thought He was gonna go to your comedy show Not be on the show So it was like weird She was upset You were doing this Oh no I was like no no Honey I'm gonna be on his podcast She was like oh okay That makes sense You know Oh I get it Yeah she thought he was going to your comedy show And thought I was like I'm flying to LA We just went We just went a couple weeks ago Oh so she thought you were coming To see stand up right right she's like you fucking idiot why are you doing that miscommunication through text it can happen yeah yeah listen man thank you so much thank you both you guys MB slingshot right that is uh that's uh one of the instagrams the other one is at mark smiley bell that's my official instagram and if i can plug my YouTube it's youtube .com backslash super training 06 and to celebrate being on the show we uh put a a code up go to how much you bench .net and how much you bench dot net and type in rogan and get 20 % off Bam, damn.

[2417] Bam, and prescription thugs is available right now on iTunes.

[2418] That's how I watched it.

[2419] Amazon.

[2420] Roku, all that stuff.

[2421] Roku, shit.

[2422] On demand on your television cable.

[2423] Anything you got going on, man. Always, you got an open invite.

[2424] There's some awesome stuff coming up, man. I'm really excited, yeah.

[2425] Shout out to all our bitches.

[2426] All our bitches.

[2427] I don't know what that means.

[2428] Pros and cons.

[2429] All right.

[2430] Thank you guys.

[2431] Much appreciate it.

[2432] Thank you.

[2433] All right, stem cells.