JRE MMA Show #92 with Angela Hill

[0] two good hello angela what's going on that was amazing you get those headphones on i was wondering yeah you got the best afro in the game for sure it uh it condenses um i mean casillas got me beat though alex cassius yeah he gets crazy yeah that's my goal is those are my hair goals is to get like a nice big like fluffy fro like his when he fights i always wonder like i get that seems like it would be harder to pull out of things don't you think no it's actually it's It's kind of like, you know, those connecting joints where it's like, it's kind of like a big ball that goes in, but like when you pull it out, it's like...

[1] A pulls out easier?

[2] It pulls out easier.

[3] Yeah, it's kind of like a joint like that.

[4] So like, you think you have a good grip, but then the hair, it just like, you know, like it condenses.

[5] Especially like if you put grease in your hair or hair conditioning or anything that makes it extra slippery, right?

[6] Yeah, I guess.

[7] But, like, it's pretty, it's just the fact that it can go small, even though it doesn't look like it.

[8] I feel like people think they have a better grip than they do.

[9] Like, I think my title fight in Invicta, the girl locked on like maybe three or four guillotines.

[10] And every time I was just like, you know, like it just like popped out.

[11] And people kept going, it's deep, it's deep.

[12] But like, I swear to God, my Afro gets me out of tight situations.

[13] it's interesting with women fighting like there's options and one of the options is clothes like the way you wear your upper like your top can have a big impact if you're a grappler yeah i always felt well i guess i don't feel like that anymore because i realized like with all like the costume malfunctions and stuff it can be a big deal especially if you're like really packing you know but uh i used to like hate on girls who would fight in shirts i'm like come on man you're a fighter like let your stomach out like this is like a fight fight because like things get tangled up and stuff like especially if the shirt isn't like super tight right like even the girl that I'm fighting in Auckland she she has something weird where like I think the other girl was like pulling on her shirt so like in between the first and second round they took a shirt off so like fuck it this is like kind of messing up your groove well you get options right it's not like you have to have your midriff exposed which is kind of interesting because it's It should be uniform, shouldn't it?

[14] I mean, women's MMA is the only place where you can make a choice to be stickier, right?

[15] If you're a grappler in particular, if you have like a full shirt on, you can definitely hold on to someone better.

[16] Yeah, I think so.

[17] I don't know.

[18] I feel like just the boob thing, you know, you can't have tits out.

[19] Like, not as a fighter.

[20] Like, it's okay for the ring card girls to, like, you know, walk around to cleavage out.

[21] But the fighter is like, I don't know, they're trying to.

[22] I guess make it more of it like okay these girls are athletes so don't stare at the cleavage while they're fighting just yeah it's a fine line right yeah yeah because you're you know basically in your underwear almost yeah pretty much pretty much bathing suits but uh I don't know I always I had this joke with like my teammates that I was going to get famous by being like the the nip slipper like I would use like certain like Muay clinch techniques to just like like whoop the girls boom out so I'd always get to fight the popular girls because like they knew oh she's fighting pageman's aunt we're going to see some page man zan titties you know and I was just like you know raise my stock so I haven't done it though but I thought about it in training only in training only in trade I tried on the guys in the gym lift their shirt up oops sorry anybody ever done that on purpose in a fight that you know no I think the one person that backfired with was I don't remember who she was fighting, but Leslie Smith's boob popped out once.

[23] Did it really?

[24] Yeah, in one of her Invicta fights, and she did not give a fuck.

[25] Oh, she's crazy.

[26] Yeah, she's crazy.

[27] Her ear was hanging off her head in that Jessica eye fight.

[28] Oh, my God, yeah.

[29] You could see into her head.

[30] Yeah, yeah.

[31] And she was like, don't stop the fight.

[32] Don't stop the fight.

[33] I was like, this girl's gangster.

[34] She's insane.

[35] I love her.

[36] I love it.

[37] She's crazy.

[38] And she's so, like, nice.

[39] Like, such a hippie, you know, outside of that.

[40] So it's like a really funny.

[41] What is she?

[42] doing now she's still trying to start some MMA union yeah she's still going hard with the union she's embellied her now but I think like the union that she was working on was only for UFC fighters I believe so I think she's still doing that I think she's still fighting for the UFC fighters even though she's not in the UFC does that what is I haven't looked into that like I haven't looked at like what do they what do they want what are they trying to accomplish what's not correct that they want to fix?

[43] I think just any grievances that the fighters have in general.

[44] So like health care, salary, just things that everyone kind of agrees on is like not good enough yet in the UFC.

[45] I think those are the things that they're working towards.

[46] How does health care work?

[47] Are you guys covered in training or are you only covered for fights?

[48] As far as I know, if you book a fight and you get injured, I think they cover it, but I think it's also a great area where, like, they could not cover it and they're not legally obligated to fix you.

[49] But I think in the past they have.

[50] I'm not sure.

[51] I can't think of any examples where they haven't, like, you know, taking care of the medical expenses of someone who got hurt.

[52] but I know like a lot of times fighters don't claim it in time like after fights or it's like a little nagging injury that becomes a big deal further down the line and it happened in a fight but they waited too long yeah yeah either that or just you know just wear and tear from training in general like you can't I can't go in for like a loose tooth or like a shoulder that I tore in practice if I wasn't getting ready for a fight but that seems so crazy because you're obviously fighting in the UFC you have a long -term contract yeah you've been fighting in the UFC for years if you're training you're training to fight in the UFC yeah exactly and um I think uh I think a lot of instances they still take care of the fighter but I know like if you're like on the lower end if you haven't really made a name for yourself yet um sometimes you know even if you just don't ask like you don't get taken care of it's not like it's not in your contract once you sign like oh I'm going to fight this many fights, but there's nothing in there that says, if I get injured after signing this contract, I'm covered medically.

[53] So, yeah, I think that was the main reason I was like, oh, this is a good idea.

[54] Just because, like, I know so many fighters who book fights just to get their injuries taken care of, you know, or they'll fight injured and claim an old injury.

[55] and like and that's their way of fixing whatever they broke during training so that sucks it's horrible it's such a fucking crazy way to make a living period yeah you know it's like you're you're deciding you're going to throw your bones at someone and try to break their arms and try to rip their legs apart and this and then you're going to practice that all the time and then you're going to hope you don't get hurt in practice to the point where you can't actually just go do it inside the octagon yeah yeah exactly and most of my My injuries happen outside of camp because I'm either training stupid, training with someone who I shouldn't be training with, like someone too big or too inexperienced, or I'm just, like, fucking around.

[56] Like when I'm fighting someone who's my size, it's a lot less likely that I get injured.

[57] Right.

[58] But when I'm throwing my bones, like you said, at somebody who's way bigger, then it's easy.

[59] I can hurt my hand punching them, you know, or break my toe, like, kicking them, you know.

[60] Well, that's for someone like you who fights at 115 pounds, it's even more difficult, right?

[61] Because the lack of people that are your size to train with, and you're also trained a lot with men.

[62] And it's crazy because at a professional level, like, you're right there.

[63] You know, you just beat the shit out of Hannah Seifers.

[64] It was a crazy fight.

[65] Thank you.

[66] But that was a big fight for you.

[67] Yeah.

[68] Like, you're in the heat right now.

[69] Yeah.

[70] You know?

[71] I mean, you're right there.

[72] Yeah.

[73] So for you, you're, you know, you're at the top of the heap in this championship realm, right?

[74] And to train with people that are bigger than you or to take chances like that, like, there's no other sport that would have that.

[75] Yeah.

[76] You know?

[77] Yeah.

[78] And it's like the lack of women as well, you know, because even if I'm training with, like, abandon weight, if it's a woman, like, it's not as dangerous as training with, like, some of the bigger guys.

[79] like the like guys and girls are kind of like different sizes like if I'm if I'm training with a guy who fights at 115 he's going to be like four foot tall you know so so it's uh it's like the weight distribution is different but like I don't know something about I guess training with women like the strength the the force that's coming at you versus the force you're giving to them I just feel like it's a lot safer to train with women oh for sure for sure but some people think that the opposite is that if you train with men, like say if you were training with a bunch of bantam weight men, yeah, they would be bigger than you, yeah, they'd be stronger than you, but you'd get used to that.

[80] And then you'd be used to men, and then when you fight with women, they would seem smaller and weaker.

[81] Yeah, and that was my old, like, theory.

[82] So when I was at, like, my little gym in New York, I was only trained with guys.

[83] Like, the girls that would come in, they weren't at my level, and that's the same story that most girls in the UFC have.

[84] You know, they were at the top of their heap.

[85] They were like the baddest girl in the gym, you know, beating up all the other girls and hanging with the guys.

[86] And that was me. So it wasn't until I got on tough that I realized like everyone has the same exact background.

[87] So everyone's tough because they were training with guys.

[88] And you start to underestimate like how tough a girl's going to be in there.

[89] Like when you're fighting like tooth and now, like, you know, to the death is basically like what you're doing.

[90] in the cage until the ref pulls you off you know and then it's all hugs but like when you're given like a hundred percent in the cage it feels like just as strong as a guy you know so it's good to like still have those checks and balances like okay like yeah maybe she's not as strong as the guys I train with but she is going as hard as she can or she's defending it as hard as she can or you know she's taking my punches that I thought like oh if I drop this guy with this punch then this girl's going to get dropped too and it's not the case like she's just as tough or tougher so it's it's like a weird thing where like you have like i don't know uh you have different stats like stacked in some areas that guys don't and then they have stats stacked in areas that women don't so it's like it's like if i was it's like if i was like a ban on weight guy who only trained with like light heavy weights you know like you're gonna be faster you're gonna have like uh you're probably gonna be more technical just because you have to train with people that big so if you fuck up a technique it's not gonna work but those guys are still gonna be bigger and stronger and be able to like muscle you hold you down that kind of thing so i feel like that's like a similar uh difference particularly with striking right like with with grappling there's some really little guys that are impossible to tap they just develop really crazy technique yeah yeah but with striking there's only so much you could do you know if you're a lightweight guy you're not sparring with Francis and Gano or if you are he better be really really really nice exactly or you better be nice to him so he doesn't go like alright little motherfucker boom you know if you're not he's not even gonna notice it if you're not nice to him it's not even gonna work well no I've actually like been told off for going hard with the heavy weights like when I was like you know just coming up like super green and like I was just like I'm gonna kill everyone in the gym and like it's this little thing like running at you you throwing overhands and like when it land like my coach would be like hey you got to you got to relax because like you're landing overhands on this big guy if he does the same to you he's going to put you out and I was like shit I never thought about that because I just assumed like he wouldn't yeah well not that I just assumed that like me landing a hard punch on a heavyweight isn't going to hurt as much as me landing a hard punch on someone closer to my size for that makes sense No, it won't.

[91] Their neck is bigger.

[92] Yeah, everything's bigger.

[93] So, yeah.

[94] But it's still like if the guy is getting rock, then that's bad.

[95] If he gets mad at you and far back.

[96] Yeah, yeah.

[97] If he's getting his head turned and that's it.

[98] Like, your chin can only take so much.

[99] So it's like, it's a lot less than like if I was throwing a body shot, you know, like that's, it's a little easier to be mean there.

[100] You've obviously gone through some improvements and some change.

[101] Like, what's changed with you over the last?

[102] last like four or five fights because you you keep getting steadily better but particularly the last two I think you should be on a four -fight win streak because there was oh stop well you you had that one decision yeah I don't I forget how to pronounce her name zanianian yeah so it's like a cat how you said it zown I don't know how to say it but zown and zanian yeah she's on the card to the Auckland card.

[103] Yeah.

[104] I thought that was a bad decision.

[105] But you had her locked up in the...

[106] Sometimes when I do commentary, people get mad at me like either the fighters or other people but that was one where fans of her got mad at me. Because you guys were right in front and you had her in a triangle and I was yelling pulled a head.

[107] I was yelling pull her head.

[108] Because you had it locked up.

[109] It was locked up.

[110] I'm like, she's got it, she's got it, she's got it.

[111] I'm like, pull the head, pull the head.

[112] And people Like, you fucking dick telling her to pull the head.

[113] Well, I didn't hear, or if I heard you, I thought you were in my corner.

[114] I did hear someone say pull there.

[115] Because it was right.

[116] You were literally right there.

[117] It's like, I can't help.

[118] Yeah.

[119] It's like you had it.

[120] That's awesome.

[121] You really had it.

[122] It was so locked in.

[123] But I felt like that was a shit decision.

[124] It wasn't the worst decision I've ever seen.

[125] We've seen some really bad ones lately.

[126] But it was not good.

[127] So that would have put you on a four -fight win streak.

[128] Right.

[129] But the Hannah Seifers one, Hannah Seifers is tough.

[130] And she's like physically.

[131] tough she's a like a strong girl yeah you know and when when you got her down and smashed it with those elbows it's like something's going on like you're you're on another level do you feel it yeah i do i do um i don't know it's uh i had a a lot of like uh i don't know i guess ups and downs in my career like it's literally like up down up down like win loss and loss and um i think uh after the randa fight i fought randa marcos about this time last year and um and i was just so pissed at the way that went down because i was like super nervous going into it um i felt like this that was going to be a fight that kind of set me above the heap because randa's so tough and she kind of has that same like up down that i do so i'm like okay this is going to set me apart i'm going to get a streak going i'm this is going to be the fight that puts me in rankings and I put a lot of weight on it and I had like ESPN follow me that week too so I was just super nervous and like the entire time during the fight like I wasn't in the fight like I was overthinking every position like there was a point where I had ran up against the case and the fight seems like it was 30 minutes long even though it was like two minutes you know but like the moment that I had her up against the cage, I remember just thinking, oh, if I hold her here, she can't do anything to me. And that's like the exact opposite of what you should be thinking in a fight.

[132] You should be thinking, I need to hurt her, you know?

[133] Like, I need to hurt her.

[134] I need to do whatever it takes to look like I'm trying to finish the fight.

[135] So I hesitated.

[136] My corner was yelling elbow.

[137] I didn't throw the elbow.

[138] Ran it through the elbow.

[139] And then from there, I was just like two steps behind i felt like and so that fog was a really weird thing for me because i had never really thought about the mental side of fighting like i thought i was doing everything right like i would visualize and you know uh tell myself all positive things and you know do do everything that you think you have to do before a fight um but that just kind of showed me like i'm not doing enough because i knew i had the skills to beat her but or at least the skills to beat her but or at least the skills to make it look more competitive, but I didn't show it.

[140] Do you think it was the added element the cameras falling you around that just put this additional pressure?

[141] Yeah, like the pressure was already there and then I found out about the ESPN thing and I feel like it was just me over it because I've always had this I guess this fear of losing too much you know and it started when I got into the UFC I had like my tough fight didn't go well but I was one fight, you know, in my MMA career, and I was in the UFC already.

[142] So I went on to win a fight, but then I lost two in a row and got cut.

[143] And from that moment on, I'm like, fuck.

[144] Like, people are just going to think of me that this person who loses all the time.

[145] And then I went on a four fight, one streak, and Invicta, but then when I came back to the UFC, I lost to Drod.

[146] And even though it was like probably the fight that people still talk about to this day, even though I lost.

[147] Yeah, yeah.

[148] Like, I always get complimented on that fight, but it was still another loss of my record.

[149] So, like, I've always had this kind of, I don't know, like this great cloud looming over, like, my confidence because of my record.

[150] Did it help that she went on to do such great things that it punk you up?

[151] It did.

[152] It did.

[153] But when it came to fighting someone like Randa, who kind of had a similar story where she is talented, but she's fought a lot of tough people and lost to them or gotten, like, weird decisions against people.

[154] I don't know.

[155] I just felt like this was my chance to prove that I'm not that.

[156] Like I'm a better fighter than my record shows.

[157] And so then when the ESVDN thing was thrown on and I just like, it was just me biging up a situation that wasn't that big.

[158] You know, like it was no different from, you know, my fight with Ashley Yoder.

[159] I felt more present in my Androd fight.

[160] Like it was no bigger than those fights, but I just bigged it up in my.

[161] head and I felt like it was a result of me just pushing down all this anxiety that I have every time I fight and not really addressing it so did you address it since then yeah what did differently um I just uh we we started reading like those uh mental we me and my husband but he he read them and then he started doing like the mental coach thing for me um but uh it everyone everything every resource that I looked at says pretty much the same thing is that you have to focus on being present and being present each day and not like dwelling on the past, not bringing the past into that present moment, just trusting in your reactions and trusting in your, uh, your preparation.

[162] And so that's what I've been doing is like, uh, I've, I have been doing like more like actual visualization exercises.

[163] And just every time I'm in the gym, I just focus on being there at the gym.

[164] I'm not thinking about, like, what's going to happen.

[165] If this happens, what's going to happen?

[166] If that happens, I just, I focus on the drill we're doing, on the exercises we're doing.

[167] I go as hard as possible.

[168] And I think just having that fight and having it go so badly forced me to go into the gym and just say, fuck it.

[169] You know, and it's literally just like that fuck it mentality.

[170] Like that was the worst that could happen where you didn't show up.

[171] You didn't fight the best of your best.

[172] Exactly.

[173] When I hesitated, I didn't show up.

[174] I didn't stay in the moment.

[175] I was thinking about what's going to happen next.

[176] What just happened?

[177] You know?

[178] What's going to happen if I lose?

[179] Like I'm thinking that in the fight.

[180] Like when I went to the gym the next, like literally like the next Monday, I went to the gym and like fuck it, you know?

[181] And I just went hard.

[182] And like the next sparring session, I said, fuck it.

[183] And I went hard.

[184] And like those were like the best sparring sessions I had up to that.

[185] date like people were guys guys who like you usually wouldn't really say much after I spiral and they're like yo you're on something today like you're like just like combinations and volume and this and that like yeah you you're really getting after it and like okay okay I think I've like kind of unlocked something so you know it's really powerful the way you're addressing it that you're so honest about what went wrong that's huge because sometimes people make excuses or they come up with some some you know something that went that didn't go their way that should have gone their way and they don't address the real issue you're you're addressing the actual issue that was going on in your brain and you know that that's what it was yeah yeah thank you but it's like something i kind of had to learn from the get go you know have you ever thought about going to like a sports psychologist i have i have uh like they're i've tried a couple people in the past and i really just feel like everyone kind of says the same things So I feel like if you're getting it from any resource, that's good.

[186] Like I started using that mindfulness app.

[187] Okay, which one?

[188] I forget what it's called.

[189] Headspace?

[190] Yeah, Headspace.

[191] Yeah, headspace.

[192] I was going to say it's the ones with a little cartoons.

[193] And that really helped just like kind of calm my nerves and keep the anxiety from being crippling.

[194] Sometimes what happens when you go to a coach is the fact that you physically, go to someone and you sit down with this so this it's like a different level of commitment you sit down with this person this person formulates a strategy for how you address some of the issues that are going on your mind and then sometimes you can go to a hypnotist like viny shorman do you know viny no finny shorman he he's fantastic and he's done a lot of he's he actually hypnotized me asked him to hypnotize me because I want to know what it was like it's very weird it's very weird it's like you're there but you're not really there it's like you're in a room next to you like he didn't touch me not No, no, no, nothing weird.

[195] Like a dog.

[196] No, he, uh, I just wanted to, I just wanted to experience what it was like.

[197] And, and then, you know, like, sometimes I procrastinate too much, sometimes I'm lazy.

[198] Sometimes I feel like I get more work done than I do.

[199] I'm like, I want to know what that is, you know, and he is really good at working with fighters at addressing.

[200] He does a lot of stuff through, like, FaceTime and shit, too.

[201] Like, he doesn't know, he lives in England.

[202] But he's worked with Joe Schilling.

[203] He's worked with, uh, a lot of different fighters.

[204] but he basically tries to get you to understand first of all you're already on a really good path because you understand what you did wrong right and then you understand to be more present those two things are critical that's everything understanding what went wrong letting it go you're already doing that and then concentrating on what you're really good at and just saying fuck it and letting it go and expressing yourself being being the you that you know that you could be when you're on yeah right that's it's like how to capture that and hold that thought and then bring it inside the octagon and be able to recreate those feelings when you're actually under pressure of competition mm -hmm that sounds cool yeah but like hypnotizing though like does he like take out the watch no he just talks to you okay close your eyes you lay back and he just sort of talks you through it it's very weird so it's not like therapy it's you definitely feel like a changing your brain yeah you feel like you're in a different state it's a weird state it's very weird like after it was over I was I was like, huh, okay, that's real.

[205] Yeah.

[206] Because I had seen, like, comedy hypnotism before.

[207] Have you ever seen a comedy hypnotism show?

[208] Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[209] Where they have a bunch of people coming up and, like, you're having sex with, you know, Rihanna and you think you are.

[210] And there's a lot of weird stuff that people do in these comedy hypnotism shows where I was like, maybe I can't, I don't think they could do that to me. Because I'm not going to believe that I'm really on a cruise ship right now and pirates are coming or whatever the fuck.

[211] Yeah, yeah.

[212] And you go hide.

[213] Yeah, yeah.

[214] Yeah, they always see the ones where they like make them like turn to an animal or something or like, or every time you say this word, something happens.

[215] And I'm going to wake out in three, two, one.

[216] Huh?

[217] What happened?

[218] It wasn't like that.

[219] Okay.

[220] But it is like he, you're listening to his voice, but you're in a different state of consciousness.

[221] Right.

[222] But you're able to put away the outside world for a brief amount of time.

[223] And he concentrates on flow.

[224] Like getting you to a state of flow That flow state when everything's going great You know that feeling when you see things And you're hitting someone with someone With something before you even know That there's an opening there And that was in those athlete books too Just that flow state thing Flow state is everything right It's like getting to the point where you're at that And for you is a quick turnaround A better thing because you're more relaxed You just fought?

[225] It's definitely a better thing because I feel familiar with the routine and familiar with, like, being in the cage.

[226] And one of the first things we started thinking about is what scares me so much or what, like, gives me that heart pain.

[227] And one thing is, like, being in the cage and, like, seeing the canvas and, like, just how real it is.

[228] Because, like, when you see it on TV, like, the canvas is a different color, you know?

[229] Like, the, you can see, like, the...

[230] Textual.

[231] I don't know.

[232] Yeah, the texture, the thread in the canvas.

[233] And you can, I don't know, there's a certain smell.

[234] Like, the perspective is different.

[235] Like, I look way bigger on TV than I do in person.

[236] And it's the same with my opponent.

[237] Like, they look like this little thing trying to, like, fight me. But it's like this little, this real thing in front of me. So it's, like, scarier than when you're watching it, like, watching the replay of your fight.

[238] So it's, it's just like that, I don't know.

[239] Just that experience of being in there always scared me because it's, I don't know, it's just not familiar.

[240] It's not, it doesn't feel the same as going to spa or like, you know, going to train or wrestle or whatever because it's like this big like thing that we build up.

[241] We have a date.

[242] We go in there.

[243] Do you warm up inside the octagon before your fight?

[244] I like to.

[245] I like to.

[246] Does that help?

[247] I think it helps, but I think just being in there a lot has helped more than that.

[248] um just because like yeah like that is that the area that I'm used to fighting in now like now now that I've fought so much in like a short period of time like it feels super familiar like now I don't feel the need to warm up in there whereas before I'm like oh I got to get to the I got to get to the arena early I got to fill the cage I got to feel it on my feet feel how slippery it is you know that kind of yeah um but yeah I definitely like being in And they're being active.

[249] I train all year round.

[250] Like, I don't really take big breaks unless I, like, hurt something.

[251] So in most of my fights, I come out injury -free.

[252] If I do have injuries from, like, a fight camp, not from the actual fights.

[253] That's really fortunate.

[254] Yeah, no, I'm lucky.

[255] So I want to, you know, I want to take advantage of my health because I know it's not going to last forever.

[256] How old are you now?

[257] You don't know a lot.

[258] Oh, yeah, 20 -something.

[259] 26?

[260] Yeah, yeah, that's the magic number.

[261] No, I'm 34 this year.

[262] Well, you look great.

[263] Thank you.

[264] When did you start training?

[265] I did my first Moisei class when I turned 24.

[266] Wow.

[267] Yeah, so I called it my...

[268] Maybe that's a thing, right?

[269] Like, you don't have the wear and tear of, like, a lot of people start when they're 10.

[270] And, you know, by the time they get to 24, they already got MCL fucked up and back a mess and necks her.

[271] And it probably stunts your growth, too, a little bit.

[272] I don't know, I feel like something happens.

[273] If you cut weight, it certainly does.

[274] Yeah, yeah.

[275] So, yeah, I didn't really do any sports after, I guess, middle school.

[276] Really?

[277] And from middle school through high school to college and then after college, I didn't do shit.

[278] You didn't do anything?

[279] Nah, I was skinny fat, so I didn't have to.

[280] But you didn't work out or nothing?

[281] No, I didn't work out.

[282] Yeah, it's weird.

[283] If you see a picture of me from, like, right after college, it's, I look like this little skinny, like, stick figure, like, just soft girl.

[284] It's really weird.

[285] So, like, when people see me now, they're like, holy shit, like.

[286] People from back then.

[287] Yeah, yeah.

[288] Well, they must be freaking out now.

[289] Like, she's a what?

[290] Yeah, yeah.

[291] She's in the fucking what?

[292] She's a UFC contender.

[293] I know.

[294] Get the fuck out of here.

[295] No, it's really funny.

[296] Yeah, exactly.

[297] Like, nobody.

[298] And that was so different.

[299] Well, not different, but I was, like, super quiet.

[300] like all my life like in high school especially in college like I was always just like really shy and really like soft -spoken that's surprising because you're very funny on Twitter oh thank you on Twitter you're hilarious well I was always funny you're always funny just quiet nobody knew it yeah I kept it to myself I crack myself up all day but um but yeah like I'm just super shy like always awkward around like new people and new settings and like I had my tight -knit group of friends But, like, I was never, like, the popular kid by any means.

[301] So...

[302] What brought you in a Muaytai class?

[303] Um, a workout.

[304] You just needed to do.

[305] Yeah, I was just fat.

[306] Yeah.

[307] I just got married.

[308] And I also had an office job.

[309] I was working at an animation studio.

[310] And before that, I had been bartending.

[311] So I was, like, moving around and doing stuff.

[312] And I never really felt, like, inactive.

[313] But once I quit the bar job and was just doing that full time, I just felt, like fat and lazy and greasy and you know everything that happens from like sitting down all day so i mean you know you like you do all sorts of shit outside of this just to like you know stay happy yeah right yeah it was really cool discovering it like i was just asking around because i always wanted to learn how to fight um but like boxing intimidated me and like they're not gonna want to deal with me like you know they like they'd deal with me if i came in when i was like 10 but not now.

[314] Now I'm old -ass fucking girl I want to learn out of box.

[315] But then people are telling me like, oh, Muay is like really cool and I was afraid of getting bulky.

[316] You know, and they're like, oh, no, if you do Muay, like you'll still look really natural.

[317] You won't look like your own steroids.

[318] And I was like, oh, okay.

[319] I think girls are afraid of that.

[320] You're afraid of big shoulders and big arms.

[321] I mean, no, I don't care.

[322] I'm like, bring it on, you know.

[323] But back then I was like really worried about looking like a ninja turtle.

[324] That's so funny because it's so hard for a girl to live.

[325] look like that without steroids yeah yeah but you see some girls who go hard you know like cross -fit girls like half my opponents yeah just all trapped up yeah there's a few yeah there's a few yeah there's a few that you definitely know something happened in the past something happened they grew up on a farm yeah yeah yeah yeah that's the line hair around yeah so you're 24 years old you walk into a moitai class when do you get addicted to it first class man first class first class first class my coach uh well he my first coach brandon levi does evolution moitai in new york so that's where you were in new york yeah in new york yeah that's where i went to school and everything and uh first class i threw like an elbow and a knee on the tie pads and i was like oh because it feels so hard and like i never knew that i could generate that much power with my like little body because i was probably like 150 pounds like wet, soaking wet, you know, at the time.

[326] So I was just like, oh my God, like I feel so powerful.

[327] And like ever since then, I was just going every day.

[328] I was going with my husband.

[329] Like we were like getting in shape, learning how to kick and stuff.

[330] And it was just like a lot of stuff I never thought I'd be able to do.

[331] I was doing it.

[332] Like even just throwing a head kick.

[333] Like I didn't like try out for cheerleading because I was inflexible.

[334] You know, I was like, to be able to do this i can't do a high kick i can't do a split or anything like that so being able to get my leg up high enough to kick someone in the head like it was like a huge milestone for me athletically i love a story like that where you didn't do shit from like middle school high school you didn't do shit to your 24 and then all of a sudden you get addicted to it yeah yeah it's crazy always in me man 10 years later yeah you're a top contender in the ufc yeah that's bananas it's weird but like it makes sense to me because like any time I tried to do a sport when I was a kid, I would just lose interest.

[335] And I think it was because they were all team sports.

[336] Like it was on basketball team, softball, baseball, whatever.

[337] I ran track for like a few months and all of that stuff.

[338] I was just like, this is stupid.

[339] Like, what's the point?

[340] You know, or that or, I don't know, I didn't like working with people.

[341] But the one thing I was good at was stealing the ball in basketball.

[342] So, like, I never made it.

[343] any shots like and I was really bad at like dribbling and everything but if someone got the ball and they were next to me I'd run over and I'd grab it and just like wriggle until they're just like ugh like they would just get mad at me and let go the ball so I'd steal it and then pass it to the girl that could shoot so yeah that was the one thing I was good at that's conflict yeah maybe maybe that was like a sign of things to come exactly exactly I like that and especially because I was so shy outside of that then it was just kind of like my outlet so how long was it between your first class and your first fight it was about nine months wow yeah so so right away you're like balls deep into this yeah yeah for lack of better expression what I yeah I'm like what else deep could I yeah what could a girl do I was balls deep yeah um I was yeah I was really into it and I hadn't considered fighting yet but um but my coach was like it was I think it was around the time have you ever heard of the WKAs?

[344] So it was around the time of that and he was taking a couple people down and he was like hey you want to do WKAs you want to have a fight and I was like oh are you sure like you sure I'm ready and it was kind of halfway because well I don't know if this is why he asked but once I said yes there was a girl that used to train with us who was also doing it in my weight class and he was like oh this is going to be fun so yeah I thought it was cool that he had that confidence in me because all the other girls who were in the tournament had been training a lot longer than me for years even so yeah I was just like okay let's let's do it let's see what happens like I was scared but I also wasn't like putting all my eggs in that basket Like, I didn't think anything was going to come from doing Muay.

[345] It was just fun at the time.

[346] Right.

[347] So I went and I beat two girls won the little, the regional championship or whatever.

[348] And from then on, I was just fighting.

[349] They had this show in New York called Friday Night Fights.

[350] And I got a few shows on that or a few fights on that.

[351] I went 14 and O as an amateur Muay fighter.

[352] Then before I went pro, I was trying to get an MMA fight just so I had like one or two amateur MMA fights under my belt.

[353] So if I do decide to do it, I had had that experience, but no one would fight me. So I ended up going pro anyway, had two pro -moy Thai fights.

[354] And then I had my first pro -MMA fight two days before the tough tryouts.

[355] Wow.

[356] That's so recent.

[357] That's crazy Yeah What year were you on tough That was that six years ago?

[358] So I think it was 2014 Yeah Wow That's when the tryouts were And I think it aired Yeah I think our finale Was like that December Well that makes sense now As to why you've gotten so better So much better over the last few fights You're still fucking learning Yeah That's so crazy Yeah yeah I shouldn't have been in there It was stupid to show up But it's not Yeah, because it's interesting.

[359] Like, what was it like your first fight when you, you know, because you, here you are, you're nine months in a training, you did it for fun, and now you're really into it.

[360] And then all of a sudden, you're inside the ring.

[361] Yeah, I don't know.

[362] It was fun.

[363] Well, it wasn't fun.

[364] It was like, fighting is never really fun.

[365] I felt like it's just like this sprint.

[366] Like, if you ever sprinted against someone and you really want to beat them.

[367] Like that's kind of what fighting feels like a lot of times is like you're just pushing yourself to like this to like total exhaustion just trying to beat this person who's like neck and neck with you.

[368] And it's just like your lungs just get tired thinking about it.

[369] But yeah, it was it's a blur.

[370] Like I don't really remember it.

[371] But I see video and it's like super slow and like and sloppy.

[372] But I beat the girl up.

[373] I like tossed her around or whatever.

[374] And, yeah, it was really cool.

[375] Like, I think before, before, like, they say go, I was just like, what the fuck am I doing?

[376] Like, how did this happen?

[377] You might feel so weird the day up, right?

[378] Yeah, I'm like, I have a BFA.

[379] Like, what?

[380] My mom must be like, yeah, yeah, why am I doing this?

[381] Oh, that's so funny.

[382] What's wrong with me?

[383] But, like, then I beat her and I was like, oh, this is cool.

[384] Okay, I get it.

[385] I get it.

[386] And it was cool because I did a couple things that were technical.

[387] You know, I like grabbed her bite of head and threw over.

[388] So that was like something we practiced.

[389] And yeah, I beat another girl like maybe 12 hours later in the same tournament.

[390] Like those tournaments, they make you sit around forever.

[391] But then I was just like, oh man, maybe I'm pretty good at this.

[392] Like, yeah, maybe I'll do it again.

[393] And then so you do it a few times.

[394] so you get 14 to know as an amateur like at what point in time you're thinking i think i'm gonna be a professional fighter um still not then really you know like i i went pro uh just to go pro because like if you're 14 to know as an amateur like you're not getting fights anymore you know like you're not booking opponents or whatever they don't want to fuck with you yeah they don't want to fuck with you and it's about that time anyway like when i see guys with like 30 amateur fights like boxing is a little different.

[395] But in Moitai, like, if you have like 30 amateur fights, it's like, come on, guy, go pro already.

[396] Like, no one else is going to have that much experience.

[397] And if they do, they're, like, about to go pro or you fought them, like, five times.

[398] You know, with boxing, you have the Olympics and, you know, the Pan Am games and all these, like, prestigious.

[399] Right, right.

[400] With Muay, there's some amateur championships, but there's nothing that's going to put you in a better position as a professional.

[401] Exactly.

[402] With boxing, like, guys like Lomachenko, who's got, you know, 200 plus amateur fights, right?

[403] Same with Kanata Golovkin.

[404] Like, Triple G had, I think he had around 200 plus amateur fights as well.

[405] Yeah.

[406] But those guys are winning world championships and fighting at the top of the heap in amateur boxing and then developing that skill so that, like, I think Lomachenko won his first world title, like four fights into his pro career.

[407] Oh, wow.

[408] Something crazy like that.

[409] Yeah.

[410] Yeah, I don't follow boxing too much.

[411] But, like, yeah, I just know that for sure is that, like, Like, everyone who's made a name for themselves, they started all with like fucking 200, 300 fights.

[412] So, yeah, Moitai, at least in the States, isn't the same.

[413] So it was just time to make that step.

[414] So I still wasn't considering that being my career of choice, especially because, like, Muay, you don't make shit.

[415] Right.

[416] What's the most money you made as a Muay fighter?

[417] I think I made $700 on Lion Fight.

[418] So that was pretty cool.

[419] I was, like, stoked, too.

[420] I was like, man, I'm about to make $700 bucks.

[421] I wish Lion Fight was bigger.

[422] Yeah.

[423] Lion Fight, it's like, I would watch Lion Fight on Access TV, and I'd be like, why the fuck isn't this huge?

[424] It was an awesome show.

[425] It's an awesome show.

[426] The commentary was great.

[427] They had Pat Militage doing commentary.

[428] And if you watch the fights, they'd bring in all these ties, these world -class fighters out of the European guys.

[429] And you're like, God, damn, there's some fucking talent.

[430] Yeah, I was stoked.

[431] And it's so wild to watch.

[432] I love Moy Thai.

[433] I love watching it.

[434] I think my, I'm not sure if it was my first, or I did two fights on Lion Fight.

[435] So I'm not sure if it was my amateur fight or my pro fight, but one of them, I fought on the same card as Cyborg.

[436] And I was like, yo, this is so cool.

[437] I'm fighting on the same car to Cyborg.

[438] In Lion Fight?

[439] In Lion Fight, yeah.

[440] So there was that, I think she only fought once.

[441] So it was Jorina Barge.

[442] She fought twice.

[443] She fought twice at Flying Fight?

[444] Yeah, first girl, she destroyed it.

[445] I think it was maybe a French girl or something.

[446] Oh, okay.

[447] But the first girl she destroyed, like, I think my coach, my coach, Brandon, he was holding pads for me. And her coach was, oh, do you remember people made a big deal about this?

[448] The girl who got slapped in the corner in Lion Fight.

[449] Oh, yeah.

[450] She was fighting Cyborg.

[451] Her coach slapped her, right?

[452] He slapped the shit out of her.

[453] And it was like, ooh, because the girl was obviously, she had taken some blows.

[454] Like, it was cyborg.

[455] And Cyborg went full cyborg on her.

[456] So she had already taken some blows, and then she gets to the corner, and the first thing the coach just is pat, you know, and it's like, come on, you're going to knock her out.

[457] Well, not only that, like, do you do that a lot?

[458] Right.

[459] Are you doing that when no one's around?

[460] Yeah.

[461] That's, you know.

[462] Yeah, so it was odd.

[463] It was odd.

[464] But I get, I get slapping your fighter to wake them up.

[465] I get a little bit, but I don't get, like, physically slapping them.

[466] Yo, especially after they were probably concussed from the round, you know.

[467] so yeah so that was the card that I was on oh wow yeah so yeah so that was that was a really big deal for me so here you are you're fighting pro as a moiety fighter and then what makes you say you know what I think I'm going to make a leap into MMA um tough yeah it was the opportunity yeah the opportunity because like at that time there were no there was no straw eight weight class I was planning on being an Adam weight fighter because in Muay Thai I fought between 110 and 106 so I was like oh I could I didn't cut weight for it I just kind of dieted down to it does Invicta have Adam weight they do they do what is the weight limit 105 105 yeah so Invicta has Adam weight and that was kind of my plan but I had sent like Invicta highlight rules and I didn't really get a response yet because I didn't have any MMA fights yet.

[468] So that was kind of the scramble to get an MMA fight and then somehow like, you know, build up a record and get called by and think of that.

[469] How long had you been training in grappling?

[470] Or take down defense or MMA in general?

[471] I hadn't been doing much MMA training just because in New York there wasn't a lot of it.

[472] So you have like, you have like those underground MMA fights.

[473] Like I had a friend who had done a couple of them and it's literally like you show up you go to like a school in the Bronx and like you're in their assembly room and there's like a ring there no ambulance like you still have to pay like 30 bucks to get in and it's just like so hood and ratchet and like we literally saw like a kid get matched up against a little person I can imagine Yes, a midgett.

[474] I'm like, can we say midgett?

[475] My friend Brad Williams, he's a little person.

[476] He says you can say it.

[477] He says midget, cool.

[478] Thanks, Brad.

[479] Go his way.

[480] Yeah, it was a midget, like, literally, like, tried to match him up.

[481] And the guy was going to knock this kid out.

[482] Like, it was a man, a man with man muscles.

[483] But it didn't happen.

[484] How old was the kid?

[485] The kid, they were the same height.

[486] Oh, Jesus.

[487] So he wasn't old.

[488] The kid was a full -grown kid.

[489] Wow.

[490] So yeah, yeah, that, but it didn't happen.

[491] But that was the matchup.

[492] So that was the kind of thing they were working on.

[493] They were, like, fights with like headgear, no headgear, some people at MMA gloves, some people at boxing.

[494] Like, it was all over the place.

[495] I've seen a lot of those online.

[496] Yeah.

[497] Weird, like sort of fucking half -assed MMA fights.

[498] Yeah, and it happened a lot in New York because that was the only MMA you could do back then.

[499] Like even in a pro -Moyzai fight, you couldn't throw elbows.

[500] Really?

[501] Yeah, because I don't know why.

[502] but it was just it was connected to that MMA rule like could you knee you could throw knees yeah yeah that's hilarious yeah it doesn't make sense can you clench you can plumb and you still throw knees but you can't throw elbows you can't throw elbows no elbows so silly so it was weird god it's fucking people with it was illegal to throw off that's so silly you get to go to jail that's so silly but yeah it's crazy so so when I was in New York uh getting ready to fight MMA, I actually got a call from a coach out in North Carolina.

[503] And he's like, hey, if you come out here to train with me, then I'll send you to Vegas to do this tryout and, you know, get you on the show.

[504] And I was like, oh, okay, cool.

[505] But I didn't think I was going to get on the show.

[506] I was just like, oh, this would be a cool opportunity to learn some MMA, you know?

[507] So I go down to North Carolina.

[508] for a few months, I ended up getting that fight that was like two days before.

[509] It was like super like, you know, North Carolina show called like U .S .FFC or something or U .S .S .FZ.

[510] One of those.

[511] So I did that and I fought a girl that I was actually going to fight an atom weight, but she pulled out.

[512] So we fought at straw weight.

[513] I knocked her out in like the second round, I think.

[514] and then flew to Vegas the next day.

[515] So, yeah.

[516] So, yeah, it was pretty crazy.

[517] But, like, yeah, still, even on the flight to Vegas, I'm like, I'm not going to get on this show.

[518] You know, like, they got girls coming from all over the place.

[519] Like, they got all those girls in Invicta that I watch, you know.

[520] Like, there's going to be, like, hundreds of girls here at the tryouts.

[521] And, like, there was only, like, I think there was only, like, 30.

[522] Were you there?

[523] I don't know.

[524] No, I wasn't.

[525] Did you have to spar at the tryouts?

[526] Yeah, just grappling, though.

[527] Just grappling.

[528] Yeah, so you go to tryouts, you introduce yourself.

[529] There's, like, MMA media there, and you tell them, like, your little story, try to get people behind you or whatever.

[530] And then they had handpicked already, like, eight girls to be on the show.

[531] And those are all girls that I've seen fight before.

[532] So I'm like, whoa, like, they're going to be in the show?

[533] Like, they should just put them in.

[534] Like, they already know what they're doing.

[535] And, but I was like, ah, it's cool.

[536] I was just go and try out and show face.

[537] And maybe Dana White would like what he sees.

[538] Keep me in mind after I have a few fights.

[539] And I went there.

[540] I tried out.

[541] I did a grappling session where I did well against the person they put me up against.

[542] Like, I just stayed on top of it a whole time.

[543] How much grappling had you done by then?

[544] Well, I had been doing grappling on and off in between, like, my fights.

[545] Right.

[546] But every time I got a fight, I'd stop.

[547] Right.

[548] For like, how long you'd be doing grappling?

[549] How many years?

[550] I'd say about maybe two years, two and a half maybe.

[551] It's fairly green.

[552] Yeah, like I was still a white belt.

[553] Yeah, I would be fighting in a professional organization.

[554] Yeah, yeah, it was pretty nuts.

[555] And so you stay on top of this girl, most of the round.

[556] Yeah, yeah.

[557] And the coach, the North Carolina coach, he was a wrestling, like straight up wrestling guy.

[558] So that was kind of what I needed at the time anyway.

[559] So it kind of worked out.

[560] and I just like stayed on top of her in her guard and you know smothered her or whatever and then and then the part that I shined was the striking part and my coach Brandon came down with me and we did our little routine and I did like you know you see the ties do like the 20 kicks left 20 kicks or we did that and then I started doing like a really hard comma and I was like making noise and they're like Angela stop stop stop like I couldn't hear them over my yelling like they're like hey hey hey stop you're good you're good and I was like oh and that was before like the before everyone else was told to stop so so yeah and then I got like a pretty cool compliment from Dana after that he was like I've seen a lot of tryouts and that was the best strike and I've seen any tryouts so far and I was like whoa I mean I'm sure he wasn't being super serious but I took that shit the heart I was like yo Dana White said that oh my god so at that point you're thinking i might be on this fucking show i might be on the ultimate fighter a little bit a little bit but i think i overestimated what the rest of the girls were bringing to the competition like i thought like everyone was showing up with like crazy records like winning records but like at that point like especially for straw weight weight class like there were a lot of people just fighting whoever whenever just to make a paycheck just to like you know get an injury fixed or whatever so like like yeah you had a lot of girls who were straw weights but they fought at bano weight before right you know or they fought in like bars before for like a small paycheck so like you didn't really have that much like hardcore experience outside of the the official eight that were picked so um so yeah my chances were a lot better than I had realized and even though I only had one fight I obviously had a higher striking level than most of the girls that showed up that day.

[561] So then all of a sudden, you're on the ultimate fighter.

[562] Yeah.

[563] All told you had been training for what?

[564] At that time, four years?

[565] Mm -hmm.

[566] That is fucking bananas.

[567] Going from 24, not done shit for all those years.

[568] Yeah.

[569] Now, four years later, you have a bunch of Muay Thai fights, one MMA fight.

[570] You're on the ultimate fighter.

[571] Like, holy shit, you're on TV.

[572] That is a four -year.

[573] whirlwind yeah that's crazy it was nuts four years that is nuts yeah i guess it was like going to college only i got a job after it only it was worth it yeah wow yeah so then when you were on the show how bonkers was that it was pretty nuts i mean i i feel like i had a lot more fun than the other girls who lost could you just enjoyed it because i was just yeah i was just there for the experience Like, I think coming in there, and this is kind of how I view my marriage, too, is like going in there with low expectations, made it actually a lot of fun, and now I'm still married, you know.

[574] That's hilarious.

[575] That's a funny way to approach it, right?

[576] Because if people go crazy high with the expectations, you know, no one's going to meet those expectations, you're going to be disappointed.

[577] Exactly.

[578] I got married in City Hall.

[579] I tried out for tough after one fight, and, you know, now I'm not.

[580] I'm living large.

[581] How are you ranked right now?

[582] What do they have you?

[583] I don't know.

[584] I don't know.

[585] I doubt I'm ranked.

[586] You must be.

[587] I've never been ranked.

[588] How many girls are in the 115 pound division?

[589] I don't know.

[590] I think I've fought most of them.

[591] I think I've fought about half of the top 15.

[592] Yeah.

[593] And the problem is I haven't beaten anyone that's ranked now.

[594] so that justifies them for not putting me in the rankings I would have thought after the Cyphers fight you would get ranked I don't I don't know I haven't looked and I've stopped looking I think well I was ranked once I beat how do you say your name Moros Marina Moros do you remember her tall skinny yeah I'm trying to remember I'd have to see her name spelled out M -O -R -O -Z But she just She just moved up to flyweight But she was ranked number 14 And I beat her And I was like Ooh like waiting to where my rankin to pop up Like I gotta get at least 15 You know And the only thing that changed was they took her off the list So I was like Fucky guys Fucking asses Come on And like I think after that Like they put Or no I think I have finally made the list.

[595] I was like 15, like months later.

[596] But then, uh, McKenzie Dern, like, misweight by like a gazillion pounds and knocked out, uh, fucking ABC.

[597] And they were like, pluck.

[598] It took me off the rankings.

[599] So I was like, fuck those guys.

[600] So after that, I stopped looking.

[601] And I think that was like another part of that, uh, you know, that mental like stress that I kept putting on myself.

[602] I'm like, man, I, I keep losing.

[603] I'm never going to make this ranking.

[604] I'm never going to be valued as a fighter and like really the only thing that the ranking does is maybe gets you a few more dollars when you resign your contract like the rankings don't really judge that much like if i go on a five -fight win streak and i'm not ranked it doesn't matter i'm still like a contender you know people are still going to be like when is angela going to fight the champ she's been killing everyone so i shouldn't put too much value into it and eventually the rank will come but like at the time i was just like man this is this is stupid like they keep doing this to me like i've had like it's not like i'm getting smashed by the top girls like i'm having competitive fights like the only fights that i got finished were uh the rose fight where i was super green that was my third fight um she had almost won the ultimate fighter and then uh and then the randa fight or i just was like totally fucking fucking myself in my own brain.

[605] So, like, aside from those two fights, I had always been, like, I had always been competitive.

[606] And I feel like even some of those, I could have won if it was, like, different judges.

[607] But, like, the rankings never reflected that.

[608] So since then, I stopped, like, once I realized that I tried to stop paying attention to it just because I felt like it was, it was affecting my own self -worth, you know?

[609] Like, I was doubting myself as if this thing, how good of a fighter I was.

[610] So, yeah.

[611] Well, you're in a learning stage still.

[612] That's what's so crazy about you is that you've only really been doing martial arts for 10 years.

[613] I mean, that is fucking crazy.

[614] Because, like, 10 years is when it all starts coming together as a martial artist.

[615] Yeah, yeah.

[616] And I think somebody told me that I think I have a friend who's an actor, and he was actually on the same Muay Thai team that I went down to.

[617] to my first fight with, and he's acting in L .A. now.

[618] And when I was talking to him, like, man, like, you're really, like, he started, like, getting some bigger gigs, and I was like, man, that's really awesome that it's all coming together for you.

[619] And he's like, yeah, they say it only takes 10 years, like 10 years once you start getting your groove in any profession.

[620] Yeah, comedy the same way.

[621] That's what they say about a comedian.

[622] 10 years in, you're a real headliner.

[623] Nice, nice.

[624] So, like, I just rounded 10 years, and things just fucking fell, fell to, you know.

[625] together, you know, like things have fallen in place.

[626] The Hannah Seifers fight, I mean, I told you this online, but when I, when I saw it, I was like, she turned a corner.

[627] Yeah.

[628] It's like, you see that sometimes.

[629] In fighters, you see, like, there's a moment where they break through where it all comes together and they're putting things together in a different way.

[630] And you feel it, you know, like, you feel it when you watch them, when you know that they've turned a corner.

[631] Yeah.

[632] And that's what I thought in the Cyphers fight, when you were on top of her hitting her with those elbows, like, Jesus Christ.

[633] I was like, Dad.

[634] Because you were so ferocious.

[635] I was like, that is, that's someone who's turned in the corner.

[636] Yeah.

[637] You turned the corner.

[638] You became a finisher.

[639] I mean, you finished two people in a row, right?

[640] Yeah, yeah.

[641] And I think, I think I was a little angry with the reception of my last finish, too.

[642] Just because, like, well, I didn't, like, I would have been okay if the fight went on because I was surprised that it got, that they stopped it as well.

[643] But you didn't think you got the props you deserved?

[644] No, I didn't get the props.

[645] And I was like, all right, I got to show them.

[646] And it wasn't just that.

[647] It was also, I took a peek at the scored cards after the fight.

[648] And they had her winning the second round.

[649] And I was like, get the fuck out of here.

[650] Like, I think two out of three judges scored the second round for her.

[651] So going into the third, it was one in one.

[652] And I thought I was tooling her.

[653] But I was still like, okay, I'm still going to be aggressive.

[654] I'm still going to land these elbows, you know, this and that um but it kind of uh it kind of showed me like dude you gotta finish these fights yeah because even though i feel like i'm winning and like the punches that hit me aren't marking me they aren't like hurting me and i'm like i can hit them and see the black eye as i bring my fist back to my face you know what i mean like you feel the difference in power they don't see that like the judges don't see that so i'm you know I have to, like, I feel like I have to finish fights in order to get the result that I want.

[655] That's got to be so frustrating when you're fighting as professional and the judges, I mean, you know, I say this so many times.

[656] The Houston fight was fucking bananas.

[657] Dude, and I was so happy you guys went on that rant because I've been seeing it.

[658] Dominic was going crazy.

[659] Yeah, yeah.

[660] Dominic was so angry.

[661] He was so angry.

[662] And afterwards, he was still angry.

[663] He was so fucking mad.

[664] And he should be.

[665] He should be.

[666] It was, you know, whoever the fuck scored John Jones four rounds to one over Dominic Reyes should never score a fight again.

[667] Yeah, yeah.

[668] There's no way.

[669] Because it's like the criteria that you used to say that he was dominant one round, you can't possibly use that for the next round.

[670] Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

[671] John won for sure the last two rounds.

[672] And he might have won the third.

[673] Might have won the third.

[674] I watched that fight three times since then.

[675] I'm like, ooh, that third round is fucking close.

[676] Dominic landed some real good shots But so to John So to John That was like right when he started slowing down, right?

[677] Dominic started slowing down And John started turning it on It was somewhere around the third It just seemed like The third is the five That's the round But one and two are clear Dominic Reyes And that judge did not score The second round It was either I think the first round He gave it to Dominic And the second round he gave to John Jones No, you can't do that man You can't do that you don't know what you're watching judge that gave the third round to Jones one gave the second round and I thought the second round was closer than the third The biggest robbery of the night was earlier.

[678] It was Andre Yule versus Jonathan Martinez.

[679] Oh, I didn't get to see that one.

[680] That was a fucking robbery.

[681] Ski masks, guns, duct tape.

[682] Fuck you.

[683] That was a goddamn robbery.

[684] That kid won.

[685] Martinez won that fight.

[686] You watched that.

[687] You're like when they announced a decision, we were like, what the fuck is happening?

[688] That was the first bad one of the night.

[689] But that was the worst one of the night.

[690] I thought KGB won too.

[691] I did too.

[692] That was a, that was another one, right?

[693] Yeah, yeah.

[694] Everybody was booing like crazy.

[695] Yeah, yeah.

[696] I said it to her after the fight.

[697] I thought you won that fight.

[698] Yeah.

[699] She threw way more shots.

[700] She was more, I mean, it was a close fight.

[701] It was a good fight, you know, but I thought she won that fight too.

[702] It was just fucking terrible.

[703] It's crazy.

[704] It's crazy.

[705] And like, how do you, how do you fix that?

[706] You You got to fix those commissions.

[707] The commission, I mean, look, Vegas does a real good job.

[708] They do a better job than ever.

[709] They're getting better at it.

[710] But they still have judges that have no martial arts experience in Vegas.

[711] They still have that.

[712] That just shouldn't take place.

[713] And there's my other fight that I'm like, fuck that I want it is the Courtney Casey fight.

[714] I don't know if you saw that one.

[715] With decision.

[716] Yeah.

[717] Went against you.

[718] I thought you won that fight too.

[719] Thank you.

[720] I did too.

[721] That was a close fight.

[722] It was a good fight, but I thought you won that fight.

[723] Yeah, and it was like, I think, well, I don't have this conspiracy.

[724] But my husband, he, like, went and Googled who, or not Googled, but figured out who the judges were.

[725] And one judge scored it 3027 for Casey somehow.

[726] And it's like, how the fuck?

[727] You know, like, how the, but so whenever he sees this guy's name now, he's like, oh, shit, here we go again.

[728] We need open scoring.

[729] Yeah.

[730] We need open scoring.

[731] Should be announced at the end of the round Should be announced to the audience So the audience booze the fuck out of the judges With the judge's name and a picture of their face Right next year A hundred percent Because I went online after the fight To try to find pictures To some of those judges from Houston And you couldn't even find their pictures Right I didn't look that hard But I looked a couple of pages into Google I bet Adam could figure it out My husband could figure it out He's Google food man He's like good at it But him and Jamie should have a Google off Oh shit All right he's a good Go.

[732] Find the judge that screwed me over.

[733] There's some people that shouldn't be doing it.

[734] And I think there should be more judges.

[735] I think three is crazy.

[736] I think we should have, like, Glory has five for kickboxing.

[737] And, I mean, I think five is a good number.

[738] It's a better number.

[739] Six is probably even better.

[740] Yeah.

[741] It's an octagon.

[742] How about eight?

[743] Yes.

[744] That's not a bad idea.

[745] That is not a bad idea.

[746] There you go.

[747] One for each panel is actually a very good idea.

[748] Because I definitely see a different fight from being there alive and then watching it on camera like i see a totally different fight well sometimes even watching when i'm at the cage i you know i want to see it in person but sometimes i got to look at the monitor and then i look at the monitor it looks clearer i see things that i'm not saying just looking through the cage and for a long time judges didn't even have monitors you know oh shit yeah now at least they have monitors but i think you're right i think eight is the the magic number yeah it's not like they pay those people a fuck load of money either yeah right just fucking do it so like you definitely need more voices.

[749] Because when you have something like, you know, a decision, like the John Jones fight with Dominic Reyes, who I'm not against the decision.

[750] It's not a robbery.

[751] I mean, I could see an argument that Dominic Reyes won the fight.

[752] I like John getting the decision, because I like the guy who wins the last rounds more.

[753] I think it means more because, look, if they're fighting to the death, I have all my money on John Jones.

[754] Because John Jones is dominating the fourth, dominate in the fifth.

[755] That's a 10 -round fight.

[756] I don't think Dominic Reyes is going to make it.

[757] I don't think he's going to make it And that means something That means something Because a fight It's, look, it is a game Right It is a sport You're scoring And it should The score should count But I think the last round Should count more And that's how pride You should do it They used to judge The fight overall They do that in Moyseye too Like traditional tie rules It's like They dance Or no not dance They fill out the first round And they fight the second And third round And then like The fourth round I guess decides who wins And then the fifth round It's just a dance.

[758] Really?

[759] Yeah.

[760] That's a lot of because gambling and then they fight every weekend too.

[761] Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[762] So they're like, A, yeah, loss.

[763] So let's just dance it out, you know.

[764] And if they really want it, they'll still try to get a knockout the fifth round.

[765] But usually you just dance.

[766] We have to do something.

[767] We have to do something.

[768] It's gotten to, when you get to a place like Houston, and look, I love Texas.

[769] I love going there.

[770] I love the people.

[771] I really love Texas.

[772] But that was an embarrassment.

[773] And there's no way that that should be a place where you have world title fights there's no way unless they fix something there's no way i mean can you imagine i was surprised it wasn't in Vegas it's well you know they needed a good card for houston yeah you know i mean it was packed crowd was amazing it was great yeah it's just marred by bad judges oh yeah yeah but it but yeah definitely um definitely a weird night yeah so you are you leaving from here straight to the airport and going in new zealand yeah what does that fly is it take three years how long it's Man, it's going to feel like it.

[774] It's like, I think it's 15 hours.

[775] 15 hours.

[776] So, yeah.

[777] Now, you worried about coronavirus and shit when you fly?

[778] Yes.

[779] Yeah.

[780] Yeah.

[781] Kind of have to be, right?

[782] Yeah.

[783] I mean, I'm less worried about it than Adam.

[784] He's like the worry of the two of us.

[785] So I'm kind of like, ah, it'll be fine, you know, whatever.

[786] But it's definitely like a thing that I should be worried about.

[787] Like, I think it just showed up in San Diego.

[788] like last week or something like two people had it in San Diego and now that they're testing for they're using a different test to detect it they're getting even more cases of it so so scary it's already you know what it came from I was just listening to a podcast yeah my friend Ryan Callahan's podcast today they were talking about it came from people eating weird animals from a marketplace like bats and snakes and shit no bro in china they eat whatever the fuck they can get a hold of sometimes they i mean there's this one lady who got arrested and she's got arrested for serving or selling all these different animals she was selling eagles no yeah i know weird the people we get weird about eagles but we don't give a fuck about a chicken i don't know they're so noble they're big they're big as shit they're big as shit i feel bad like when it's like bigger than normal you know like a really big like an elephant yeah yeah like a really big elephant i feel like really bad about eating just because i feel like its brain is bigger so it's probably more likely to be like sentient oh yeah i'd have to be starving to death to eat an elephant yeah it'd have to be like i'm trapped in the bush and i got a rifle oh i would never eat an elephant like just an elephant like they're they're like so amazing they have incredible memories too yeah there's this crazy video of an elephant being reunited with i think as a sibling or a daughter or mother or something like that and they hadn't seen each other in 12 years and they see each other and they run to each other and wrap their trunks around each other and it's crazy like they're not that is not like a deer yeah you know deer don't even know what the fuck's going on it's like you know is that a car let me run in front of it yeah oh shit elephants they can teach elephants to paint themselves have you ever seen that no dude you got to see this elephants can paint themselves they can paint an elephant yeah like just with them holding onto the brush with a trunk they make a trunk they make the body they make the tail it's crazy that's so cool they trained an elephant to paint himself that's so crazy it's so weird to watch so they could be smarter than apes then right or is it just is it just different the thing is the thing where it's hard to tell is like apes have fingers right they can move stuff around like chimps have incredible memories they have incredible short -term memories like chimps have better memories than us when it comes to like they'll flash a bunch of things on a screen and chimps can point out exactly what they saw if they get a reward like if they get candy yeah like they'll give them candy if they can lay out like some numbers and some things like in the correct order where you or I would be like what the fuck did I see I don't remember yeah like we're burdened by too much information and data and all sorts of different things chimps can just do it and they have that one motivator yeah they want that candy yeah yeah But their memories incredible.

[789] Chimps have bananas memories.

[790] That's cool.

[791] For lack of a better term.

[792] Did you find that video of the elephant with the brush?

[793] It's so weird to watch.

[794] I mean, apparently this is like they train this elephant specifically to learn how to do this.

[795] But it's still crazy, impressive.

[796] Because he does a really good job, like better than like a four -year -old would.

[797] Like a four -year -old person.

[798] Like, you know, one of my kids in there for, they wouldn't do as good a job of making a fucking elephant.

[799] Did it look in the mirror?

[800] I don't remember what it did.

[801] It's a self -port chair.

[802] Right.

[803] How does it know?

[804] Do you got it, Jamie?

[805] I'm trying to find the exact one you're talking about.

[806] This has been a controversial story, I believe.

[807] Right, it is.

[808] Well, I think it's controversial because they taught the elephant how to paint himself.

[809] But it's still.

[810] So the training methods are probably controversial?

[811] I don't think it's controversial about it.

[812] I don't think they're thinking.

[813] Is that what they're thinking?

[814] That's, I mean, I'm looking hard for the video and that's what's coming up is like abuse or not abuse.

[815] Is this abuse?

[816] Yeah, but that's animal.

[817] rides dipshits.

[818] Those people get fucking crazy.

[819] I do feel really guilty about when I went to Thailand just to like train out there and I did one of those like elephant ride.

[820] I do feel guilty about it.

[821] I feel guilty.

[822] Me too.

[823] Thank you.

[824] I'm glad you did.

[825] My whole family was like that was so fun.

[826] I was like I'm not doing that again.

[827] I'm like I felt bad.

[828] I mean you feed the elephant.

[829] Here it is.

[830] So here it is.

[831] Look at this.

[832] Look at this elephant.

[833] So he's painting himself.

[834] It's a baby.

[835] Yeah.

[836] But I mean he's.

[837] I don't know how you could say he's being abused.

[838] I mean, he's just doing that.

[839] It doesn't seem like there's any weird motivators other than, you know, they taught him how to do it.

[840] They probably gave him some treats.

[841] No, he's drawn a trunk.

[842] Yeah.

[843] No, I mean, they're all drawn themselves.

[844] There's more than one.

[845] Oh, he's drawn a duck.

[846] That's crazy.

[847] But just the fact that they can do that, that they can create something.

[848] And it reasonably resembles what they are is nuts.

[849] What they're making.

[850] Yeah, I thought he had, like, maybe a mirror in front of him.

[851] Yeah, no, no, he didn't have a mirror.

[852] He's, like, doing, like, a van go or something.

[853] It's pretty close to what an elephant looks like.

[854] It says the truth about elephant paintings.

[855] What is the truth?

[856] Well, it must be, like, a stencil that they had.

[857] They're just, like, tracing it or whatever.

[858] Not tracing that, but, like, they must have trained them to make a certain shape.

[859] So I doubt that the elephant knows that that's him.

[860] I wonder.

[861] but who knows who knows they could be smarter than all of us well don't they say like fucking uh what is it what is it squid octopus and squid yeah they're really stupid smart yeah like but they only live for like a couple weeks yeah so it's like how to fuck does that work yeah i think octopus lived like two years or something stupid that's so crazy but i'm glad you said that about the elephants in thailand i felt bad yeah i didn't i didn't like the riding them thing but you fed them we get to feed them sugar can Yeah, that was the best part.

[862] Were you near Chiang Mai?

[863] No, I didn't get to go to any sanctuary, like the elephant sanctuary where you get to like bathe them.

[864] Yeah, yeah, that's what we did.

[865] Yeah.

[866] Just run around with them.

[867] Yeah, you clean them and then you feed them sugar cane.

[868] And then you ride them.

[869] And with the riding part, I was like, I don't want to do that.

[870] Well, they had, did they have that big hook?

[871] The hook?

[872] When they, so when we went to the one that we went to, they have this like big pole with a little hook on the end.

[873] And it never.

[874] like hit some or anything but it's just resting on like their shoulder no they didn't have that they just had a rope that was like their like kind of training tool I figured like that was what they used to like get them to behave so it's like it's like someone's sitting next to you with like a whip you know like you know what it could do it didn't do anything but you just know it's there no they this place one thing that I will definitely say is that they treated those elephants like pets They treated them really well.

[875] They pet them, and you could tell they had a sweet relationship with them.

[876] Like, the elephant would wrap their trunk around the people, and the people would rub their head.

[877] And they wanted to be around those people.

[878] And then they would feed them a lot of sugar cane.

[879] Like, we had these big stalks of sugar cane, and they would make you form.

[880] See, the whole idea was a rehabilitation thing for elephants.

[881] And a lot of the elephants had been in circuses and zoos and things like that.

[882] And then they actually had reintroduced a lot of them to the wild.

[883] And when we were there, these elephants were not in cages.

[884] They were free roaming.

[885] Oh, that's awesome.

[886] It was crazy.

[887] Their power.

[888] They just wrap their trunk around shit, just pull it out of the roots and then just start eating it.

[889] But then they're also really gentle.

[890] Really gentle with people.

[891] Like when they grab stuff out of your hand, it's just like, they fill your hand, and then they grab the treat around it.

[892] And it's just like, what?

[893] But they can, they actually, I know, they're really, they're fucking smart.

[894] Yeah, they're smart as shit.

[895] They can bring those elephants back to a place where they can exist in the wild.

[896] Because they basically eat everything that's in the jungle They just grab it and eat it They know what to do So while we're hanging out with them They're just pulling trees out of the roots And just eating them right there But their disposition is so interesting It's just so interesting It's just so interesting to be around them Just big and gentle I mean they're so fucking big And they help you get up on them They lift their leg up And you stand on their leg And then you pull yourself up onto their back And then you hang onto this rope That's around them They didn't seem to mind That you were on their back but still it felt like I would rather just feed them and pet them yeah like they're not going to do that in a while they're not going to be like hey buddy yeah yeah yeah and then they go down to this pond and then you wash them in the pond and everything it was yeah it's interesting that one was really cool I wanted to go up to Chiang Mai but we were um we were at this place called a chapman tip that's exactly where we were oh that's so pretty yeah that's exactly where we're and so you go out there and you pet them they love it they're like oh you're giving us a Like cute baby elephants frolicking and oh there it is oh my god they love the baths too but that water is filled with shit they just shit in the water while you're out there would you really mind though it's an elephant shit it's not bad it's just leaves it's probably lucky in some cultures you know I'm sure it is I went to a wolf sanctuary this past weekend not this past weekend what's today I went Friday yeah Friday yeah is that um it's out here yeah yeah it's it's depressing oh really well they all are abused but being rehabilitated or something no no they're not abused but they're they're contained and that's what's depressing it's like most of them came from people wanting a wolf from a pet for a pet they're like oh i'm gonna have a wolf i'll be a badass and then it just rips your house apart and doesn't listen to you at all and you guys oh my god this isn't a dog yeah yeah fucking wolves like it started off so well Some of them are so big.

[897] Yeah.

[898] But to me, what was depressing was, first of all, they neuter them when they get in there.

[899] They kind of have to because they don't want them to breed because they, then they'll create more of the same situation.

[900] But then the other thing is that they're in this pen and then they don't get to be free.

[901] So there's not like a big area.

[902] No, the pen they were in is not as big as a studio.

[903] It's not that big for a fucking wolf.

[904] Yeah.

[905] I mean, wolves want to run and hunt.

[906] That's what they want to do They want to hunt So they never re -released them Into the wild or anything No I mean that's Listen to this though Listen to them howling That's when we're leaving We're leaving They're a howling They wanted you to come back Well we went into the pens See how little the pens are though Yeah We went into the pens and pet them Like these people there are amazing And they're doing an amazing job Don't get me wrong Yeah I mean they're keeping these animals alive and they're feeding them And they do love them and they go in there and take care of them and pet them but to me it's like that's a fucking wolf that wolf should be on a mountain somewhere it should be chasing down a deer it shouldn't be living like that I don't they're beautiful it just it just bummed me out yeah it made me feel like I went to a prison yeah yeah like these are incredible animals and they're the only way they can keep them is to that's a forest glant who's a wildlife biologist who's been on the podcast for I'm getting kissed right there by a wolf they're very sweet Like you can Some of them You can pet And hug them And hang on to them And they like you Like they like people But they're fucking wolves Like you You're not telling them shit Like there's no sit Lie down Fuck you Like they're wolves Well that's good That they have somewhere to I don't know They stay alive Rescue them From like People who would have just like Put them down They would have put them down They would have put them down And that is a lot of what they did They did keep a lot of them from being put down but but I left there feeling really depressed isn't that how that um I forget what his name is but he has a huge Instagram and he has like all the big cats oh yeah fuck what is his name called uh yeah I can't think of it but it's like something cat something big cat something I probably doesn't even say that but that's what I'm like oh big cat videos but yeah the guy goes in and he like cuddles with them and and it's always like someone who had a pet tiger who was like just going to be cool and then it wasn't it's mostly people in Texas yeah I bet you know there's more tigers in captivity in Texas in people's backyards and there aren't all the wild of the world are there what are there like no laws or something with like animals stuff doesn't give a fuck you want a giraffe go get yourself a giraffe oh my god you just have a tiger that might be fun get a giraffe I feel like a giraffe would be more chill of like staying in like a small list of yeah Well, they're so chill.

[907] I used to have a bit about them.

[908] Like, they're the only animals that don't feel bad for at the zoo.

[909] Because they're walking around the zoo like, another day with no lions.

[910] Yeah, exactly.

[911] And they just wandering around.

[912] Lions majestic.

[913] Is that just a random account?

[914] Yeah, no, that's not it.

[915] Oh, no, it's called Black Jaguar or something.

[916] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[917] Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

[918] But, yeah, it's a lot like that.

[919] Black Jaguar something.

[920] It's not.

[921] I always want to go.

[922] That's it.

[923] That's it.

[924] Yeah.

[925] That's it.

[926] I'm not sure where it is, but yeah.

[927] Yeah, that's it.

[928] There it is.

[929] Yeah, he's just cuddling tigers and shit.

[930] Yeah.

[931] Oh, he's in Mexico?

[932] We rescued animals born and sold in Mexico from horrible circumstances.

[933] The most depressing shit I ever saw, for sure, was a tiger sanctuary in Thailand.

[934] Ooh.

[935] It was so depressing because they were all drugged.

[936] Because you could take a picture with a tiger.

[937] The tiger's landing like this, like just like a drug prostitute and a ruin.

[938] Yeah.

[939] Oh, poor thing.

[940] And people are, like, smiling and taking pictures.

[941] And I said, I am not going in that fucking cage.

[942] Damn.

[943] I'm not taking part of it.

[944] Like, we thought it was just a tiger sanctuary.

[945] Yeah.

[946] Rescue tigers.

[947] You go look at tigers.

[948] I'm like, be cool for my kids to see some tigers.

[949] But then when we got there, I'm like, oh, no, these people are getting.

[950] And there's a difference because, like, they have little cubs.

[951] And so you go in a room, there's a pen.

[952] And these are, like, little cubs.

[953] They're tiny.

[954] They're only a couple of weeks old or, you know, four or five weeks old.

[955] Yeah.

[956] Whatever it is, they could be around people, six weeks old.

[957] and you could play with them but they're super energetic they're jumping on you and they're swatting things and playing with each other and rolling around and then as they get older it gets to a year or two and then they stop they stop being natural and then they're all drugged so you can be around the littler tigers and there's a bunch of handlers around and everybody's real nervous they keep the tigers away from you and the tigers they're looking at you but they're there but they're only like a year old then you get to the full grown tigers and they're just fucked up they're all drugged they're all drugged that's crazy and i guess that's like that's like my brain never thought of like oh yeah they must be drugged in order to be sitting in a room with strangers and not freaking out like i never thought about it you could tell but yeah that makes so much sense have you ever have one of these a CBD uh killcliff oh is it uh you saw to approve yeah yeah yeah it's just CBD I'm addicted to these though these are killcliffs Like overkill Pretty got a damn good, right?

[958] Yeah, that's pretty good 25 milligrams But if you go into that room And the cage rather and see the tigers You know right away they're droid Because they're just laying in like that Yeah, yeah That's a nice thing with that Black Jaguar tiger guy Like you always see The tigers are like playing with them They're like swat him around Like the kittens you were talking about And like you can see like their claws are like retracted so like they actually like the guy but they just having fun yeah they could tear them apart at any point but they're still like nibbling on him and stuff this is like dude that guy is crazy he's like the big cat steve irwin i guess like yeah he's nuts there's a few of those guys there's a guy in texas that uh does that way no kidding yeah another one in texas but he's got um a tiger rehabilitation place it's the same kind of deal like wrestles with these tigers and plays with them and shit.

[959] And you're like, ooh, this is not going to end well, bro.

[960] Did you watch Sigfried and Roy?

[961] Yeah, yeah.

[962] A lot of times they just decide to go Tiger on you.

[963] Oh, my God.

[964] Yeah, and then it's like, bye, tiger.

[965] Yeah.

[966] Yeah, poor things.

[967] Yeah.

[968] The wolf thing was a real bummer.

[969] I didn't think it was going to bum me out as much, but it bummed me out.

[970] I mean, I'm happy that those people are doing it, and then I think what they're doing is amazing.

[971] Don't get me wrong.

[972] But for me, like, just the feeling of the, like, being around that thing, like, oh, that thing wants to run.

[973] Yeah, yeah.

[974] thing wants to you just open that gate that's like your animal right like wolves you're like big on wolves did you see what was that movie in uh at the very end he goes once more into the fray oh was that uh william nison yeah yeah yeah the gray yeah the gray the gray that was a good one i have a friend of mine who shot an elk in alberta and the elk he didn't know it but the elk when you know they shot it with a bow and arrow the elk ran and died and they were trying to pack the elk out and these wolves started circling them.

[975] They didn't realize they were in a wolf's den.

[976] Oh.

[977] They shot the elk and the elk literally died right outside the wolf's den and the wolves decided to claim the elk.

[978] So they're circling them.

[979] So these guys had their back to a tree.

[980] They shot three of them as they ran at them.

[981] Damn.

[982] Wild big wolves.

[983] I have one of the skulls big, right?

[984] Big wolves.

[985] Like real 125 pound wolves.

[986] Damn.

[987] Yes.

[988] That's like when I walk at.

[989] Yeah.

[990] You could find the video.

[991] John Dudley, who's a good friend of mine who was on the podcast, talking about it.

[992] But he only had three arrows left, and his friend only had three bullets.

[993] So they're standing there with their back to a tree, and they got like fucking 20 wolves around them.

[994] That's crazy.

[995] It's crazy.

[996] That's so cool.

[997] Yeah.

[998] To live and tell that story is fucking awesome.

[999] Well, he's got the skulls of the wolves.

[1000] Oh, my God.

[1001] I have one of them in my desk at home.

[1002] So did they just back off after they took out of you?

[1003] Yeah, once they realized that they killed three of them, the wolves are like, okay, this is not good.

[1004] They wanted that elk.

[1005] Yeah.

[1006] They were hungry.

[1007] Did they leave the elk at least?

[1008] No, they didn't leave the elk.

[1009] They took it.

[1010] They were like, fuck you wolves.

[1011] Fuck you wolves.

[1012] Superior fucking species.

[1013] Yeah.

[1014] That's crazy.

[1015] Yeah, the wolves didn't know that my friend John was down to one arrow because he killed two with his bow and the other guy is down to like two bullets.

[1016] Damn, that's crazy.

[1017] Fuck, yeah, it's crazy.

[1018] So lucky, man. Well, those animals used to kill everybody.

[1019] That's what Little Wood Widing Hood was all about.

[1020] Yeah, yeah.

[1021] Yeah.

[1022] Do you know there was a ceasefire in World War I because they were fighting in Russia.

[1023] The Germans and the Russians were fighting.

[1024] And there were so many people were getting killed by wolves that they decided to have a ceasefire.

[1025] Because the wolves in Russia are just fucking ruthless.

[1026] Is that like when it was snowing and stuff?

[1027] Yeah.

[1028] And the wolves were eating the soldiers.

[1029] Damn.

[1030] They were killing soldiers that were on patrol.

[1031] And they were also like when everyone, somebody got wounded and they were on the battlefield, they would just.

[1032] get torn apart by wolves in front of everybody That would make a great movie Yeah, it would make a great movie So they had a share communication back and forth Between, I'm pretty sure was it Germans and the Russians And they said, let's just Kill some wolves for a while Yeah And so they had a ceasefire, they killed wolves And they went back to killing each other Damn Yeah Damn Like, foo Fucking history is no joke That's nuts Yeah So back to fight Speaking of caged wolves How much do you walk around at?

[1033] How much do you walk around that?

[1034] I don't walk that heavy.

[1035] Like, I tried to, like, stay above 30, 130, but usually it doesn't happen.

[1036] So I'll be between, like, 1 .30, 125.

[1037] So you only have to cut 10?

[1038] Yeah, I only have to cut 10.

[1039] Like, I've never been a big straw weight.

[1040] Like, what do you wait right now?

[1041] Probably, like, 125.

[1042] And so you're fighting this weekend?

[1043] Yeah, I'm fighting this weekend.

[1044] So how do you, do you take it?

[1045] taper off or do you just cut the water?

[1046] I taper off this week.

[1047] So I was eating like pasta for dinner like all the way up until this morning.

[1048] You know, so like that's how I keep my weight on because otherwise like my metabolism just from training and running like I'll be at like 120 without even trying.

[1049] So if Adam weight was a weight class, you would go there.

[1050] Well, that's the thing.

[1051] Like it's such a big jump.

[1052] So it's a weird one for me because like 110 is probably like, my healthiest weight class 105 I start to look crazy Like that's what Like skeletal like Yeah skeletal like like I posted a video recently And it was from like Somebody was following me Before one of my Muay fights And dude I looked so crazy Like I look like straight up like Is it on your Instagram or you're Yeah yeah it's on my Instagram But I think you can see just like my cheek bones It's just like a still of me throwing a kick But like my cheek bones are so sunken in There it is right there Yeah, like you can see it.

[1053] Like, I look like my way and say, I was probably about 1 .13 right there.

[1054] So you're really dieting hard to do that.

[1055] Yeah, yeah.

[1056] Like, I'm on my, like, calorie counter.

[1057] I'm making sure I'm not eating carbs after six, you know, like carbs after sundown.

[1058] That was the rule.

[1059] Like, no carbs after sundown.

[1060] It's got to be harder for women, right?

[1061] Well, I mean.

[1062] Because women want to, your body wants to hold more body fat than the man's.

[1063] I've never had a problem cutting weight.

[1064] Like I've always been okay Like I think I just never tried to cut too much Like I think if I was bigger Then it would be an issue Like a lot of girls they see who's cutting weight And how big they get And then they get scared So they try to go down a weight class below them And so like I mean If you look at Amanda Nunes She doesn't she isn't really the biggest Bannon weight You know like she's kind of a natural bannam weight Like she looks about the same size As need an answer off So it's like Do you think so?

[1065] I think so When I see her in, like, fight camp, or when I see them both outside of fight camp, they look about, like, the same size.

[1066] I disagree.

[1067] Oh, yeah.

[1068] Yeah, I think Amanda looks thick.

[1069] Her shoulders.

[1070] Yeah, she's kind of like, but she's all shoulders.

[1071] Like, her waist is small.

[1072] Like, she's not, like, I don't know, she's not, like, built up.

[1073] Right.

[1074] She's not, like, muscular.

[1075] Yeah, yeah.

[1076] She's just, she's just a little broad, but, like, she's, she's.

[1077] It's not like cyborg.

[1078] Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[1079] She's not, like, cutting, like, to the point where she looks like she's about to die.

[1080] Yeah.

[1081] But she's still a world beater.

[1082] So, like, it's kind of cool to see that.

[1083] And I think a lot of people perform better when they're not cutting a ton of weight just because, like, you're in there more natural.

[1084] You're moving the same way you move in training.

[1085] Whereas if you cut, like, a shit ton of weight, you're, like, kind of half -cocked, you know?

[1086] Like, you're already, like, depleted and your brain's not as healthy.

[1087] You don't have as much water in there.

[1088] You're just weaker, yeah.

[1089] Yeah, you're just weaker all around.

[1090] There's a point of diminishing returns, right?

[1091] Where you just cut too much.

[1092] If you cut a little bit, you're probably pretty good.

[1093] But a lot of people became who they really should have been once they moved up and weight, like Mazvedal, or Dustin Porier.

[1094] Like, Dustin Porier, he just couldn't make 45 anymore.

[1095] And now he's having a hard time to make it 55.

[1096] He's so big, he might have to move up to 70.

[1097] Yeah, and your body just, like, kind of fights against you.

[1098] Like, once you had all those, like, really tough weight cousin, that's, why I'm not like super on that like oh I'm gonna go to 105 train like I might try it once I feel like everyone gets like one one missed yeah yeah if it existed like I might try once and if I miss it I'd be like all right not gonna do that again you know but um that's got to be hard too to go through the camp like diminishing yourself in camp yeah like Tj Dillshaw is the worst example right when he went down to 125 yeah he looked horrific and that's what I would look like like like all skin and bones and like muscles you know and like it's like scary but at the same time when I did do it which granted was about eight years ago when I did do it I only dieted like I didn't know anything about like water cuts or like you know I didn't do hot baths or anything like that I would just diet down to about 112 and then not eat anything the next day and that was me making weight I really wish there was more weight classes in MMA, women's MMA and men's MMA.

[1099] At least with women's, it's now 10 pound increments.

[1100] Yeah, it was insane when it was just 135 and 115.

[1101] You had, you had people killing themselves trying to make 150.

[1102] That's such a giant gap with women.

[1103] 20 pound gap is huge.

[1104] Yeah, and then the girls are so much bigger at 135, like crazy big.

[1105] Like, uh, Katzegano was at Alliance for a little bit.

[1106] And when she wasn't at weight, I was just like, dude, like, there's no reason to I should be training with you right now.

[1107] She's a strong girl.

[1108] You're just fucking bullying me around.

[1109] I know.

[1110] She's just tossing me like a little ragdoll.

[1111] She's in the 60s, right?

[1112] When she's not trying.

[1113] I'm not sure.

[1114] She's got to get close to 160.

[1115] I'm not sure.

[1116] She's a large lady.

[1117] And I mean that in a good way.

[1118] She's fucking strong as shit.

[1119] She's an athlete, man. She's an athlete.

[1120] Big athlete.

[1121] Just tough.

[1122] I remember her fight with Amanda Nunes when Amanda had her really rocked in that first round and that she came back to stop her.

[1123] Yeah, that was amazing.

[1124] To this day.

[1125] When she won that fight and screamed, poof, it just gives you chills.

[1126] Yeah.

[1127] It was like one of the most primal strain.

[1128] Yeah, because that was just like.

[1129] Codenins.

[1130] Yes.

[1131] It was like from her bones.

[1132] Yeah.

[1133] Like that's mad.

[1134] And she went and she went through hell in that first round.

[1135] That fight fucked her up for a long time.

[1136] Yeah.

[1137] She was talking about it on the podcast.

[1138] She got brain damage from that fight.

[1139] Yeah, yeah.

[1140] She's still like recovering from it.

[1141] That is crazy.

[1142] Yeah.

[1143] It's just, it's...

[1144] Amanda Nunes is a freak.

[1145] She's a monster.

[1146] She's a freak.

[1147] She should be put in jail for what she's doing.

[1148] He's poor a woman.

[1149] Well, when she clipped Cyborg, you can see Cyborg going, what the fuck?

[1150] Yeah, yeah.

[1151] Because, like I said, it doesn't look like she hits that hard.

[1152] Oh, my gosh, she hits so hard.

[1153] And then it lands.

[1154] It's just like, whoa, like, yeah, she's got something going on.

[1155] Like, she's crazy how some people just have this weird power edge.

[1156] They got that touch, yeah.

[1157] Yeah, like Deonté Wilder.

[1158] Like, he's the best example of it.

[1159] It's like, what the fuck?

[1160] Or Alex Pereira, you know, Alex Pereira in Glory?

[1161] He's the only guy that's knocked out Israel, Adesanya.

[1162] He knocked him out in a kickboxing fight.

[1163] He's a fucking freak.

[1164] It's the same thing.

[1165] With a punch?

[1166] He knocked him out with a left hook.

[1167] Yeah, one punch, boom, flatlined him.

[1168] That's crazy.

[1169] Yeah, he hits so fucking hard.

[1170] He knocks out everybody.

[1171] But it's one of those weird guys where, you know, sometimes people just have this power.

[1172] This weird, freaky power.

[1173] Yep.

[1174] And I'm still hopeful that, Like, that's going to be me eventually because, like, you know, Amanda Nunes didn't really do that for a long time.

[1175] Yeah, yeah.

[1176] And then after that cat fight, I think after the Shevchenko, the first Shevchenko fight, she just started finding her groove and finding that money mark.

[1177] And then, like, the rest is.

[1178] Yeah, yeah.

[1179] She also just really took her training far more seriously and invested much more time in her strength and conditioning.

[1180] Oh, okay.

[1181] That's a big factor because Amanda would get tired.

[1182] And that's what happened in the Katzengano fight She had Katzengano really badly hurt in the first round But then Katz just so tough She came back in the second And they wound up stopping her I think she stopped in the third Shevchenko fight too I think that's why That's why the rematch happened Because Valentina just had a really strong last round Against it so she like nipped that in the butt Yeah But it's interesting how Like you need weight glasses You need those increments Because Valentina 1 -25 is just a fucking monster Yeah.

[1183] She's a monster.

[1184] Yeah.

[1185] She's so good.

[1186] It's such a huge gap, too.

[1187] Like, it's such a huge gap between, like, I don't know, a number one contender and champ.

[1188] It doesn't even make sense.

[1189] It's crazy.

[1190] That fight, I did my best to pump up Caitlin Chukagian and to make it seem like it's going to be a good fight.

[1191] But all I could think of is, like, how is this girl going to beat her?

[1192] Yeah.

[1193] How are you going to beat her?

[1194] She does everything perfect.

[1195] Yeah.

[1196] I thought, like, numbers, like, if you're going just like a vicarious.

[1197] You know, I thought that Caitlin could like, you know, close the gap a bit.

[1198] I didn't think so.

[1199] This is why, because Caitlin, she uses points.

[1200] She scores well, but she very rarely knocks people out.

[1201] Like, she knocked down Liz Karmouche with a head kick.

[1202] But Liz survived and won't win in the decision.

[1203] Right, right.

[1204] But, like, Valentina makes you pay.

[1205] She makes you pay.

[1206] So, like, all those, like, shots that she would throw the volume, it's different.

[1207] Because you put the shots out there and then bop!

[1208] And it comes back and you're just like, whoa.

[1209] Those kicks come back at you and you're like, fuck.

[1210] That elbow comes back in and you're like, whoa.

[1211] So now you're like, now everything's more at a distance.

[1212] And you lose your ability to engage.

[1213] You get nervous because every time you engage, she's looking to take your fucking head off.

[1214] Yeah, yeah, she answers.

[1215] Especially after that Jessica I fight.

[1216] Oh, yeah.

[1217] Whoa.

[1218] Yeah.

[1219] That was crazy.

[1220] I think that's the one that made me a fan because I was hating for a while.

[1221] I was like, she ain't that good.

[1222] She just hasn't fought anyone yet.

[1223] She beat up that poor girl that, uh...

[1224] Oh, the Brazilian girl?

[1225] I think she's fighting.

[1226] Is she the...

[1227] No, she's not fighting in Auckland, right?

[1228] I do not know.

[1229] I don't know if she's on that car.

[1230] But I don't remember her name.

[1231] They should have stopped that fight way, way, way before that.

[1232] Like that, I was just like, come on, guys.

[1233] Like, that's just mean.

[1234] But, like, after that, I was just like, man, y 'all are giving her all these props for destroying this poor girl.

[1235] And, like, she shouldn't have been in there against anyone.

[1236] But then after the Jessica I -Fi, I was like, yo, she's got something.

[1237] Like, she is a dominant.

[1238] Yeah, she's going to be a dominant champ.

[1239] She's just a scary person.

[1240] She went down to the range in Texas, and the guys who run the range were like, the way that lady shoots, she shoots like a fucking special ops, like, soldier.

[1241] Like, we haven't seen someone come in here and shoot that good unless they're a seal or a competitive shooter.

[1242] Oh, my God.

[1243] Like, she's a fucking straight up killer all around.

[1244] Someone stopped talking shit about her dancing.

[1245] Yeah, they're like, you got to see her groups.

[1246] Like the groups, she was like pistol groups, like tap, tap, tap.

[1247] Everything's in the heart.

[1248] Like, she's, she's a special hard lady.

[1249] You should take her hunting with you.

[1250] Oh, she probably would fucking jump on something's back and strangle it.

[1251] She's a...

[1252] Kick a wolf in there.

[1253] Yeah, she's a hard lady.

[1254] Yeah.

[1255] But it's people like that that make the rest of the division rise up, right?

[1256] Remember when Anderson Selva was just dominating everybody at 185?

[1257] And it was like, who the fuck had beat that guy?

[1258] Yeah.

[1259] It took someone like that to be that unstoppable force at the top of the mountain that made all the rest of the division rise up.

[1260] And then as Anderson got a little older and, you know, those guys got better and Chris Wybin wound up beating him.

[1261] And then the division comes alive.

[1262] Just got mixed up.

[1263] Yeah.

[1264] It's exciting again.

[1265] Now it's just chaos.

[1266] Robert Whitaker and now Adasanya.

[1267] Yeah.

[1268] Yuel Romero is going to fight Adesania and a couple of.

[1269] I can't wait.

[1270] Like, let me hurry up and get my fight out the way so I can, like, be a fan again, you know?

[1271] That fight's crazy.

[1272] Oh, the danceoff was so sick.

[1273] I know.

[1274] Like, right in front of Dana does a backflip and almost kicks Dana in the head.

[1275] Yeah, I'm like, I don't even think Dana saw what happened right there.

[1276] Like, how close is like.

[1277] Like, they did it in slow motion.

[1278] You can see his face.

[1279] Like, Yowel had already flipped, and Dan is like, yeah.

[1280] He just probably saw a foot out of his peripheral, like, what is happening?

[1281] Yoel is such a freak.

[1282] He's insane.

[1283] That's another thing that gives me, because I, like, I've always been self -conscious about my age, too.

[1284] Like, I think that's - Because you started later?

[1285] Yeah, because I started at 24.

[1286] I used to call it my, like, quarter -life crisis thing, the fact that I just, like, started fighting out of nowhere.

[1287] But, um, but yeah, I've always been a little self -conscious, especially because, like, a lot of times, like, the UFC will hype up, like, a young fighter.

[1288] Like, she's only 18.

[1289] It's the youngest fighter.

[1290] on the card and then like I'll see someone like um Alex chamber fight and they go the oldest fighter on the card is just like why you got to put her out there like that so I'm always like I've always been a little self -conscious like man like I feel like I have an expiration date but then the long the more I pay attention the more I realize that a lot of the fighters I do look up to are like my age or older so yeah I stopped looking at it that way I started looking at it more like my body age is still very young yeah you didn't take any of Up until the time you were 24, you didn't do any training at all.

[1291] Yeah, yeah, so I was all mushy and ready to be molded into a fighter, like all my ligaments are intact and stuff.

[1292] I think it's really a matter of how much time are you doing it for?

[1293] Because I think Randy Couture didn't even have his first pro fight until I think he was 34 or 35.

[1294] Oh, yeah.

[1295] Yeah, I mean, you went, go on to win the light heavyweight title, the heavyweight title, and all that stuff was into his 40s.

[1296] Yeah, and then Dan Henderson is still knocking people out of, like, U .S .C., like, what was it, $199?

[1297] You know, he's going to have a, Texas see if this is still happening.

[1298] Dan Henderson was supposed to have a bare -knuckle boxing fight against Chuck.

[1299] Oh, no. Against Chuck Adele.

[1300] I'm like, exactly.

[1301] Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Why?

[1302] I don't know.

[1303] I guess money.

[1304] Well, yeah.

[1305] That's the only reason why.

[1306] I mean, money, but also, like, there is part of me that's like, I wonder how I'd do in a bare -knuckle fight, you know?

[1307] Like, there's always, like, I always wanted to do that Lethway.

[1308] Have you ever seen that a Lethway kickboxing?

[1309] Yeah, yeah.

[1310] I always thought that would be really cool.

[1311] Because, like, punching without gloves on, like, for me, I'm like, that's stupid.

[1312] I'm going to break my hand.

[1313] But, like, kicking.

[1314] Oh, that's fun.

[1315] You're already fighting barefoot.

[1316] I mean, I'm already doing that, you know, like, just kicking, being able to kick, like, through their hand into their head.

[1317] Like, I feel like that would be a lot of fun.

[1318] And then there's head butts, too.

[1319] Yeah, that's why they can do everything.

[1320] It's like I already get head -butted when I fight.

[1321] It might as well make it legal, you know, use it.

[1322] I mean, it is an effective technique, particularly if you're in someone's guard.

[1323] You know, like if you're on top and you're holding on their biceps, you get smashed them in the face.

[1324] Oh, nice.

[1325] I mean, that's what Mark Coleman used to do.

[1326] Would he just be like, oh, I sneezed?

[1327] It's like, how do you get away with that?

[1328] No, it was legal in the day.

[1329] Oh, it was legal.

[1330] That was one of Mark Coleman's big weapons.

[1331] Mark Coleman, back in the bare -knuckle days, he would take guys down.

[1332] He would hold it.

[1333] It didn't matter if you were in the guard or not.

[1334] He'd smash his fucking forehead right in your nose and then start punching you and beat the shit out of you.

[1335] Ah, man. And, you know, he was a gorilla back then.

[1336] Matt, Mark Coleman, when he was the heavyweight champ, was like $2 .65 on all the Mexican supplements.

[1337] And he was just holding people down.

[1338] The whole, like, criticality.

[1339] Yeah.

[1340] And he was an elite wrestler.

[1341] I mean, he had both things going on.

[1342] Yeah.

[1343] Like serious wrestling skill.

[1344] Huge power.

[1345] And no drug testing.

[1346] and headbutts and bare knuckles.

[1347] Oh my God, that's everything.

[1348] Head butt the fuck out of you.

[1349] Oh, my God.

[1350] I'm surprised he didn't kill anyone.

[1351] Well, it's one of the things that made Mory Smith's victory over him even more impressive, because that was during the headbutt days.

[1352] And Maurice figured out, Morris was one of the first guys that figured out how important cardio is.

[1353] Morse had crazy cardio.

[1354] So he would be able to survive the early onslaught.

[1355] He had good defense on the ground, would protect himself.

[1356] And then once the fight got into the late.

[1357] to rounds, he started leg kicking the fuck out of Mark Coleman.

[1358] I'll never forget that.

[1359] Because that was the early days of fighting when everybody thought that Maurice was going to get smashed.

[1360] Everybody thought that.

[1361] Damn, I don't know Maurice Smith.

[1362] He's great.

[1363] Great guy.

[1364] He was an elite kickboxer.

[1365] The thing about Maurice, he was a world champion kickboxer.

[1366] His kickboxing was at a way higher level than anybody had ever seen.

[1367] He was the first guy to knock out Conan Silvera back when, Do you remember those days?

[1368] I wasn't watching back then.

[1369] Oh, I didn't come in until I was about to do it.

[1370] Really?

[1371] Yeah, like maybe like after a couple Muay fights, I was like, oh, let me start watching his MMA thing.

[1372] But yeah, everything that I've seen is like YouTube, like from back in a day.

[1373] Oh, yeah.

[1374] Well, the good news is you got a lot of fights you could watch.

[1375] Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[1376] We did, we, I started like going back to like UFC one and I'd watch like the full like fight card and I'm just like holy shit this is insane.

[1377] It is crazy.

[1378] I feel like I remember watching it like with my brothers at some point and like somebody goes man this shit's gay, turn that channel you know like but like it's never like I never like sat and watched it until once I started like doing martial arts.

[1379] What's crazy is how much things have changed this 1993.

[1380] Yeah.

[1381] When people first saw hoist Gracie choking people off his back and they're like, what is happening?

[1382] No one knew anything.

[1383] Now any little kid knows what to try and choke is yeah yeah kids in school they know what arm bars are they know what rear naked chokes are everybody knows it fucking mcgregor is yeah they know what everybody is they know what max holley is yeah yeah it's crazy it's weird like people are famous now yeah yeah i remember i went on did you remember there was a show called the best damn sports show period it was like an old school sports show nah this is like 2000 something like early 2000 i went on the show was like tom arnold and i forget all the people that were on it.

[1384] But anyway, I was telling them, like, I go, this sport's going to be huge.

[1385] I go, it's the most exciting sport in the world, and I think it's going to be as big as any other professional sport.

[1386] They were just laughing in my face.

[1387] They're like, wah.

[1388] I like, what are you talking about?

[1389] Cage fighting?

[1390] There's no fucking way that's ever going to be popular.

[1391] What's up, Jane?

[1392] The account that announced this back in September, the Henderson -Lodell fight is a parody account that people didn't catch on, too.

[1393] It's not really.

[1394] It's not real.

[1395] That still could happen.

[1396] Yeah.

[1397] Don't kid yourself.

[1398] Hex, the Lombard fought last night or Saturday night.

[1399] That's the most recent event they had.

[1400] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[1401] Yeah, he won.

[1402] I thought about watching that.

[1403] It was weird.

[1404] I only watched the ones that Beck's on, Beck Rollins.

[1405] Oh, right, right, right, right.

[1406] She's a champ, right?

[1407] Yeah, yeah, bare -knuckle champ.

[1408] Yeah, she was killing in there.

[1409] She came to train with us.

[1410] Again, she was one of the first people who were at Alliance, one of the first girls.

[1411] So that was one of the reasons I went out there.

[1412] there and um how'd you wind up getting in alliance you were you in new york uh i was in new york then i was in north carolina and then that stopped working out like a bunch of weird stuff happens so i had to find a gym that was good for me but also had girls like it like the thing that i was saying about like training with uh women it like after the tisha torres fight i was just like yeah i was underestimating how strong this girl could be was that the one in Mexico?

[1413] It was in Mexico City.

[1414] I was there for that fight.

[1415] I remember these girls like that is crazy altitude.

[1416] Yeah.

[1417] It's like 7 ,000 feet at up sea level.

[1418] I was not prepared.

[1419] I get tired just walking up the stairs to go take a leak.

[1420] I'm like, this is fucking high altitude.

[1421] And I did the exact opposite of what you were supposed to do.

[1422] So it's like you either show up a month early or two days before you fight.

[1423] And I showed up 10 days before I fought.

[1424] I was like, oh, I acclimated in 10 days.

[1425] And it was like that was like right at the peak of like when you really start feeling that altitude sickness so i was messed up from the altitude i was sick from the uh i forget what they call it the montezuma's revenge yeah i was sick from that i was sick from the altitude oh my god i was at wait the entire fucking 10 days like literally like walking at 115 and so and you can see it in my fight pictures too like i'm i'm i look like sunk out like my old multi -photos.

[1426] Well, you guys both were like you were stuck in the mud because the algae was so high.

[1427] That's crazy to have fights up there.

[1428] I was so pissed because like right before we fought or when we wade in and did our little face off, to just like, hey, let's make some money tomorrow.

[1429] And I was like, oh yeah, all right, let's go, let's go.

[1430] I'm like, yeah, we're going to fucking stand and bang.

[1431] Everyone's going to be excited.

[1432] We're in Mexico.

[1433] They la boxing.

[1434] We're just going to hit each other.

[1435] And then she fucking takes me out.

[1436] And I'm like, fuck you.

[1437] I'm like on the ground and fucking like uh fucking uh what do you call it half guard and I'm just pissed I'm like come on man like just that's a classic hustle at least you know but yeah she hustled me man that's what rumble Johnson did to Dan Hardy back when rumble used to fight at 170 which is still hard to believe I still have no idea how the fuck made 170 didn't he only make it like once oh man he made it a few times he made it a few times me he won tough at 170 Wow.

[1438] So if he can make 170, I could probably make 105.

[1439] Well, he can't make it anymore.

[1440] He got big.

[1441] He's a heavyweight now.

[1442] Dude, I saw...

[1443] He's going to come back and fight heavyweight in UFC.

[1444] I saw him once in person and his hand was about like...

[1445] Catchers a minute.

[1446] Two or three of my hands like take together.

[1447] Like, he's just huge.

[1448] He's massive.

[1449] I felt like I could like crawl into it.

[1450] We were in...

[1451] I forget where we were, but we were in the...

[1452] He was in between fights and he was 230.

[1453] pounds and I saw him I go what the fuck do you weigh and he started laughing he goes I'm about 230 oh no how are you going to make 170 oh my god and then he had a hard time making 185 remember he fought vitor at 185 and he barely made I don't think he made 185 yeah yeah and then the UFC cut him and he went to the pfl back when it was the pfl and he went what was it world series of fighting back then oh okay yeah yeah it was world series of fighting and then he fought Anja Arlofsky at heavyweight and fucked Arlofsky up at heavyweight.

[1454] I was like, this is crazy.

[1455] This guy was a 170 -pound tough champion.

[1456] That's so nuts.

[1457] And I think he's going to probably come back at heavyweight, apparently.

[1458] Is he going to come back?

[1459] To M. He says he's coming back.

[1460] He got bored.

[1461] I know he was thinking of doing bare knuckle as well.

[1462] Well, if they offered him a lot of money.

[1463] And I was just like, fuck, I feel bad for whoever is on the other end of that fucking huge fist.

[1464] Like, yeah, I just think of those like.

[1465] Oh, my.

[1466] He's got some lunchbox fists.

[1467] Oh, yeah.

[1468] He hit so hard.

[1469] I'm sure no one signed that contract.

[1470] Like, that's probably the reason never happened.

[1471] People are like, what?

[1472] Yeah, I still remember the sound that it made when he fought Cormier.

[1473] Oh, yeah.

[1474] When he had kicked him?

[1475] It was a punch.

[1476] Well, he hit him with a punch, too, but he had kicked him.

[1477] Smacked him in the face with a head kick.

[1478] Oh, well, I just remember the punch.

[1479] It was like, like, I guess right the first right hand.

[1480] Yeah, and he lost the fight.

[1481] Like, I think he, like, smothered him.

[1482] Yeah, Comier beat him both times.

[1483] yeah yeah but it was that first punch i was just like holy shit and like we're all amazed like you just heard that crack and we're all amazed at like korme was able to just like fucking walk through it you know like shook it off but yeah that yeah well when he knocked out glover with one punch i was like holy shit that uppercut oh oh the big one yeah the pitchers were crazy the minotaro fight too knocked him out with one punch he was a freak man he's a freak man he's a a real freak.

[1484] I'm interested to see if he does do, I mean, he just, he was burnt out, he said.

[1485] He's like, I don't want to do this anymore.

[1486] And then he took some time off and then he started feeling it again.

[1487] And now he's training with Henry Hooft.

[1488] He's hitting paths.

[1489] He said he's going to give himself like six months to really get in shape and really train hard and get back to it.

[1490] But he said he might fight a 205 too.

[1491] I was thinking about, I mean, look at 205, there's, you know, look, there's John Jones and now there's Dominic Reyes and then, you know, Jan Blahovic, who just knocked out Corey.

[1492] I mean, there's a lot of, a lot of moving pieces.

[1493] Right, right.

[1494] And that guy fits right in there.

[1495] I mean, anybody who stands in front of him might go night night.

[1496] Yeah.

[1497] Yeah.

[1498] I'd like to see that.

[1499] I like him.

[1500] I like Anthony as a person.

[1501] Yeah.

[1502] He's just exciting as a fighter, too.

[1503] Yeah.

[1504] His style is so crazy.

[1505] Like, you know someone's going to sleep, you know?

[1506] Yeah.

[1507] But he could take it, too.

[1508] I mean, he's got a giant fucking jaws, fucking everything about it.

[1509] The other thing.

[1510] Yeah.

[1511] Big ass head.

[1512] Physical freaks.

[1513] It's a great time in the sport, though.

[1514] There's so much exciting, so many exciting possible matchups.

[1515] Are you, what do you pump for?

[1516] Like, when you look at the, like, the UFC.

[1517] Like the straw weights?

[1518] Everything.

[1519] Or just everyone?

[1520] Well, straw weights, you have to be paying attention to the title fight next week.

[1521] Yeah.

[1522] Yeah.

[1523] Next month, rather.

[1524] Yeah.

[1525] No, I'm definitely paying attention to that.

[1526] Were you surprised when you watch Whaley and Jessica Androge?

[1527] Not really.

[1528] Like, um.

[1529] The thing is, like, I was catching and drawed when she would run in, and it wasn't until the third round that I decided to use elbows, and I'm pretty sure I dropped her in the third round, and she popped right back up, but, like, ever since then, I noticed that, like, she would get hit, like, she would get hit and rock, like, in the Torres fight.

[1530] Like, Tisha isn't known for having, like, knockout power, crazy hands, but she dropped her, like, a good, like, two or three times in the Torres fight.

[1531] So I could see that that chin was get in touch.

[1532] Well, you remember the Yuanian Jacek fight?

[1533] She just, she ate a fuck load of shots in that fight.

[1534] Yeah, but it didn't look like she was getting wobbled.

[1535] No. As much.

[1536] But maybe she did because, like, when she came back and fought Tisha, she was, like, going, like, wobbly -legged, like, every now and then, then, like, eventually she closed the distance and took her down but it's like she sacrifices her chin to get that distance you know and like same thing with the rose fight she was getting picked apart the entire time sacrificing her head to get in and get the throw or whatever and then finally like you know it gave out on her in the way of lee fight so i wasn't like super surprised i was i mean everyone was surprised so i won't say that but i did see that coming eventually like I'm like eventually someone's going to put her out just because it's not just the person's power that she's fighting but it's her pressure is so aggressive and she's coming in so hard so it's like her force versus the other person's punch when they connect like she's knocking herself out essentially yeah so yeah like I wasn't super surprised and like that was that was what my what I thought would happen when I fought her like I didn't go into that fight thinking oh man it's gonna suck you know i was like dude i can catch her like she drops her hands when she comes forward like my i can strike going backwards like i know i'm gonna catch her and like i can put her out because of the way she strikes so i've always seen that her hands were a bit sloppy even though she's super aggressive and the fact that she's so aggressive gives her that much success like you you can't ignore the fact that she's punching you as much as she is but it's still like very offensive and like with zero defense in mind so so yeah i wasn't like super surprised when someone finally did drop her but you know i i hadn't really seen that much of waley zang so so i was surprised that she was able to get the title that that fast have you ever seen her strengthening routine that she does no i haven't fucking ferocious that lady goes hard yeah she goes hard it's pretty wild it's pretty wild to watch it's very insane inspiring.

[1537] How do you feel like she matches up with Yohanna?

[1538] Because that fight is real, that's real soon.

[1539] I think it's going to be, I think it's going to be an even match.

[1540] I think she has a lot of output.

[1541] I think she isn't afraid to go to the ground.

[1542] I saw that when she fought Tisha.

[1543] They had like a lot of crazy scramble.

[1544] She had good reverses for like Tisha's takedown attempts and stuff.

[1545] And, and yeah, just think it's going to be like, she's going to force yoanna to move and to react more than most people i think like as long as she's like i haven't really seen i haven't really uh paid attention to like how much head movement she has but i do know that she just throws a lot of volume and wherever the fight goes she seems comfortable so i've never seen her in a spot where she looks like oh what do i do here you know like you see people freaking out against the cage or freaking out when they get taken down and she seems to flow, she has that athletic flow through everything.

[1546] So that's the one thing I think she has going for her.

[1547] But I do think Yohanna's reach is what's made her so dominant.

[1548] She's a big old girl.

[1549] Like watching her fight and draw, there was a moment where like she's pushing and Draught up against the cage and she looks like a big old like praying mantis.

[1550] Like, you know, like just like biting someone's head off.

[1551] And draught looks like this little thing.

[1552] So like she's a big girl with a really, long reach really long legs and everything so i'm kind of surprised to see her back at 115 because she really struggled well i was going to try to like fill in that last minute uh i don't know if you you heard but it like kind of uh up my like i don't know like props or whatever when she was about to fight michel there were rumors that she wasn't going to make weight and so people were scrambling and then my manager what yeah i think i could talk about that my manager hopefully fingers crossed my manager got the call like hey um hey man i'm just worried about this yonna fight and my manager was like well i bet angela would take it if you guys wanted to fight and he was like seriously and he's like yeah she's crazy and i was there cornering uh my my teammate lauren mueller at the time So I was there chilling Where were we?

[1553] Atlanta, I think Maybe I forget where it was It might have been Atlanta But I was there chilling Corner and my friend And then my manager calls And he's like hey And it was like that time of the night That you know it's a fight offer So he was like hey What time is that?

[1554] What time is?

[1555] It was like maybe 11ish Or something.

[1556] So something weird's going on Yeah, yeah It was like 11 p .m. And I was like who And he's like Like, he's like, would you fight you on at 125?

[1557] And I was like, fuck yeah.

[1558] And I was like, I was probably walking about 125 at the moment.

[1559] Like, and if they, I think we were talking back, or he was talking back and forth.

[1560] And he was like, well, what about Michelle at 115?

[1561] He just wanted to know just so he can relate a message.

[1562] I was like, yeah, just let me know so I can like cut weight or not cut weight, you know.

[1563] So I was sitting, waiting for, waiting for a call.

[1564] and then the rumors got like blasted and then people knew my name was in it for some reason I was just like who is talking you know but like it went viral and I was and I just leaned into it I was like hey anytime any place let's go and I waited waited and then yeah nothing happened yon made wait I was like damn yeah I heard that she wasn't making weight either yeah yeah everyone was talking about it and then somehow somebody knew that my name was in the mix like Angela Hill might fill in for Michelle instead of fill in for Yohanna like because she was like the name that was that they were promoting for the fight so so they wanted the former champ to get her fight so they were like all right if it comes down to it Angela will fighter at 125 yeah so I was pretty stoked I mean I feel like Yona does a lot of things and it's similar with my matchup that I have now only she's a lot bigger.

[1565] Yoanna does a lot of things that I've seen a lot of, you know, in training, just like in my, in my first years of Muay Thai, like she has a very conventional style when it comes to Muay.

[1566] She's just very good at it.

[1567] So a fight with Yoanna is always something that I've wanted to have, uh, just because I felt like it would be something that I've seen before.

[1568] It would be like, I'm not going to be, you know, I'm not going to be afraid of the clinch.

[1569] You know, which she's really good at.

[1570] I'm not going to be afraid of the clinch.

[1571] I'm not going to be afraid of when an elbow's going to come because I've elbows sparred like my entire fight career.

[1572] So it's like, it's like things that I see with her are less scary than a fight with someone that she's beat before, like Andrade or, or Godelia or someone like that.

[1573] We're going to learn about her a lot, this coming fight, like what she's got left.

[1574] Yeah.

[1575] Because the transition to 25 didn't really work out.

[1576] Like, Scherchenko was just a little too much for.

[1577] Chivtank had already beat her outside the UFC and then beat her again.

[1578] And then it just didn't look like she had the firepower to keep her off her at 125.

[1579] And then so she goes down to 15 again, but we know how hard it was for her to make 15.

[1580] And that's one of the things that they had said, her camp had said about her chin when she fought Rose.

[1581] Like she just couldn't take a shot.

[1582] It was because she was so depleted.

[1583] Yeah.

[1584] So we'll find out because Way Lee hits fucking hard.

[1585] Yeah.

[1586] And she's like, I don't know, the, you know, Anna's so determined, like I feel like she'd kill herself to make weight, you know?

[1587] She just has a long career, though.

[1588] Yeah.

[1589] You know, the long combat sports career.

[1590] When, you know, and at a certain point in time, you got to wonder, like, when that catches up to you.

[1591] Or, you know, one of the things that she was saying that she was in a real bad relationship and there was a giant distraction.

[1592] And now she's done with that.

[1593] And that was a contributing factor to a lot of her losses.

[1594] So we're going to find out because, you know, when you go back to, like, when she fought Jessica Panay, she was the scariest woman alive.

[1595] Like she was fucking ferocious.

[1596] Yeah.

[1597] When she was the champ and she was lighting everybody on fire, she was terrifying.

[1598] Yeah.

[1599] She was so aggressive and so technical.

[1600] Yeah.

[1601] She got that long jab.

[1602] She also had a lot of fighters who weren't that technically sound.

[1603] Sure.

[1604] And striking or at least not confident with their striking.

[1605] Yeah.

[1606] You know, so when she did fight someone who was good, who was actually a better striker than her and Rose, like the fact that.

[1607] just the fact that Rose could move laterally.

[1608] You know, like, Yoanna was always like a back and forth fighter because that's like her style of very moitai.

[1609] And Rose just moving to the side every now and then or having head movement, I think that really fucked her up.

[1610] And, like, it's hard when you fight someone like that for the first time or even spar someone like that for the first time.

[1611] You can't find them.

[1612] You know, all your punches miss, you gas out, you're freaking out because you're missing your punches.

[1613] Then you're getting countered.

[1614] And it's like a lot to deal with for, straightforward moitai fighter so that is a weird thing about moitai right yeah yeah it's back forward and because we don't we don't have footwork like we just stand and bang like we're like only a bitch who run away from a fight you know like some people do have footwork like sanchai san chai's got crazy shan chai is like the only one he's literally he could do like fucking cartwheel kicks and shit like senchai can do everything but he's so good you would think that someone else would mimic that style it's it's it's one of those styles that are just so hard to mimic like in and the sport traditionally is not his style like he's very unorthodox so look at any unorthodox fighter you're not going to see a million dominant crews like copycats coming out you know you see like one or two they try yeah they try but they're never going to be dumb you know so so yeah so yeah senchai is like that kind of fighter whereas like he was brought in doing this like very like kind of, I wouldn't say still, but just very, like, predictable style and he just made it weird and made it his own.

[1615] That's why he's so cool.

[1616] He's always on his toes.

[1617] Always.

[1618] Yeah, yeah.

[1619] Always.

[1620] Just boing, bong, bong, does the alley shuffle.

[1621] It's never flat -footed.

[1622] No, no. Never.

[1623] And, like, he always, he always knows how to pull.

[1624] You know, he can pull the counters out.

[1625] So, like, he knows exactly how to twitch in order to make you go, oh, and then boom, you know?

[1626] Like, it could be a foot, It could be like a, I don't know, a hand.

[1627] Like, it could be anything because he just comes from all angles.

[1628] He also throws, he'll throw a head kick when he's two inches away from you.

[1629] Yeah.

[1630] He'd do wild shit.

[1631] Like, he basically throws a head kick straight up in the air.

[1632] Yeah, yeah.

[1633] He does a lot of wild stuff.

[1634] He's nuts.

[1635] And you do, like, the, like, weird, like, karate, like, pop, pop, you know, like when they just, like, jump back and forth.

[1636] And then, like, he'll fake one, and then he'll, like, do, like, the cartwell kick.

[1637] And he's close to 40 now.

[1638] Yeah.

[1639] Yeah, yeah, that's a crazy thing.

[1640] For a lighter weight, Mointy Thai fighter?

[1641] Yeah, for a Thai fighter, yeah.

[1642] Like, that's, like, you start at, like, six out there, you know?

[1643] Well, I think that style has preserved him in a lot of ways, that footwork and movement style.

[1644] Because he's not, he's not just catching and returning and standing in front like a lot of those guys do.

[1645] Right.

[1646] He's always very elusive.

[1647] Right.

[1648] There's not a lot of those.

[1649] Lerdzill is pretty elusive, but there's not a lot of, like, really elusive guys in Moytime.

[1650] Even Bull Call is just, like, kind of a march him down.

[1651] and hit him type of fighter or like, block out of you.

[1652] Yeah, yeah.

[1653] But yeah, I think that's one thing I really, I really credit going to alliance with is just my movement has gotten way more fluid, you know?

[1654] Eric Del Fierro is one of the most unheralded guys.

[1655] Yeah.

[1656] Like for whatever, people don't sing his praises, but he's excellent.

[1657] It's kind of like the theme of the gym, I feel like, like everyone who comes out of there is like no one's talking, no one gives like Jeremy the credit that he deserves.

[1658] No one gives, gives Dom the credit they deserve.

[1659] I mean, I guess I'm a little more sensitive because I know them now and I'm like, man, those guys are great.

[1660] But yeah, Eric definitely, like, no one never talks about him, but he's so good at what he does.

[1661] His corner work is so excellent, too.

[1662] Like, he gives you, like, real technical information in the corner and he knows how to break it down quickly.

[1663] Like, this is what you're doing wrong.

[1664] This is what you have to do right.

[1665] This is what you're doing great.

[1666] Keep doing more of this.

[1667] Look out for that.

[1668] When you do this, do that.

[1669] And he gives you all that shit and you see people go okay okay okay some people like you need to take them out you need to take them out like oh never saw that it's kind of like you know Eric's kind of a psychopath of that shit like he's like no emotion you know it really takes a lot to draw emotion out of him and then you feel proud of yourself like oh I got on your skin you a little softy but yeah he's definitely like he's very stoic when it comes to that stuff which which makes it makes the instruction more clear.

[1670] You know, like, there's no, like, there's no anxiety in his voice.

[1671] There's no freaking out.

[1672] He's just like, do this, do this, to this.

[1673] That was a good round.

[1674] You might have lost that round.

[1675] You know, like, he'll just give it to you straight up and say it quickly enough so that you can be like, okay, what next?

[1676] And, uh, and, yeah, it's always been like, really chill when he's cornered me. It's interesting because he doesn't try to get any attention.

[1677] No, there's a lot of people.

[1678] He runs from the camera.

[1679] He's so weird.

[1680] Yeah.

[1681] Good for him.

[1682] Yeah, yeah.

[1683] It's pretty cool, though.

[1684] I mean, that's what, like, attracted me to the gym because, like, you see a lot of people trying to big themselves up, you know, or name drop or do this and that.

[1685] And even if the person, like, even if it's merited, like, they've proven themselves, the fact that they have to, I don't know, convince you always makes you feel like they're trying to hustley.

[1686] Yes.

[1687] You know, so, like, when I...

[1688] They need too much.

[1689] They're too needy.

[1690] Yeah, yeah.

[1691] Yeah.

[1692] So when I came to Alliance, I was like, Yeah, would it be okay if I train here?

[1693] Because there were already like a few straw weights there And I didn't want to like, you know, come stomping in on territory And being like, I train here now.

[1694] And he's like, yeah, you know, if you want to train here, train here, 10 % after your fight, you know, no contracts or anything.

[1695] Just like if you end up not liking it here, you know, just you can go somewhere else.

[1696] Like there's no obligations.

[1697] And I was just like, oh, that's cool.

[1698] Because I had just come from a place where I had to sign a contract saying I'd train there for this many years or however many fights I have.

[1699] I hate those.

[1700] It's just such a strange thing to do.

[1701] It is strange because if it goes sideways and then you're locked up in a contract and it's hard to get out of it and they want money if you even have another trainer.

[1702] Or they think they can have a lawsuit against you even though it has even though there's like zero that zero things that like actually hold you to that contract because like.

[1703] Like it was badly worded or something, but like they'll still try and it'll be an annoying thing to.

[1704] And luckily I was able to like part ways in a good way.

[1705] You know, I just paid my coach and it was like, I need to go somewhere where I have more training partners and this and that.

[1706] And he was like, yeah, that's fine.

[1707] So luckily it was chill, but like I've heard horror stories.

[1708] I've heard horror stories too.

[1709] I've heard a lot of horror stories.

[1710] So, like, when he said that, I was immediately like, oh, that's cool.

[1711] Like, and that's how my coach, my first coach in New York was, too.

[1712] He's like, you know, hey, if you need to go somewhere to learn how to do MMA, like, that's cool.

[1713] I'm not.

[1714] No hard feelings.

[1715] Brandon Vera still at Alliance?

[1716] He is not training there, but he's still, like, part owner.

[1717] He still, like, comes through when he is in San Diego.

[1718] Where's he training now?

[1719] He's in Philippines now.

[1720] Oh, so he trains.

[1721] the Philippines too he lives there and trains there yeah wow yeah what a crazy career shift he's had huh i know i'm saying he's one heavyweight champion i know he's out there's doing it one is nuts one is nuts he's out there doing it i'm like damn like can i say i'm like blasian or something you'll get me in there it's interesting right if you're a filipino and you fight for one like who yeah they love you as a heavyweight yeah big giant filipino dude he's making he's doing it He's like in movies out there and stuff I don't know which ones I think I watch part of it But yeah he's like living it up You know Well he's so fucking big too Yeah You know he's like 240 something now Yeah yeah he's nuts It's nuts to see him He's huge I like watching them like do pads Like they have to bring out the big pad holder Or whatever For sure And he kicks the bag And it's like a big ass heavy bag But it's still like folds in half When he kicks it Like yeah he's he's sick but yeah he's he's he's like uh yeah he's he showed us some like cool clenched stuff and like cool techniques when he comes through and and he like he likes to motivate the like up and comers when he comes through too so it's always like nice to see him well he was a small light heavyweight early in the day well actually he was a small heavyweight remember when he knocked out frank meyer this back when he was training with rob cayman oh okay yeah i mean he he was fucking people up at heavyweight and he was like two 10, 215.

[1722] Yeah, he's just really fucking tall.

[1723] Yeah, he wasn't like, well, you'd look at him.

[1724] He didn't look like a heavyweight.

[1725] Yeah, yeah.

[1726] Yeah.

[1727] It's interesting to see a company like one explode and get bigger and then see guys like Mighty Mouse and Eddie Alvarez and, you know, see like world class fighters go over there.

[1728] Yeah, I was sad to see Mighty Mouse go, though.

[1729] He was another one of my motivators like, man, I want to be like that guy, you know.

[1730] I was sad to see him go in a way, but half.

[1731] because I knew he was getting paid yeah like they wanted him over there and it was a big get because at look for my money he's still the best example of a mixed martial arts fight I've ever seen like you could say yeah you could say John eclipsed him as the goat and I think he did because John has beaten better fighters he's beaten the best of the best I mean Mighty Mouse knocked out Benavides he's beaten good fighters don't get me wrong he definitely to beat fucked up sohudo in the first round their first fight but he didn't have the same pool of talent that john jones had to go through guys like leota machita rachad evans rampage jacks and go down the line over everyone he fought is a fucking killer since the time he knocks out shogun hua at 23 years old to win the title and since then for the last nine years he stormed through everyone they put in front of him that's the goat i mean it's hard to argue with that just the level of talent but when you look at what Mighty Mouse was able to do to people, when he's able to do to Wilson Hayes, what he's able to do to a lot of guys who are good fighters, he makes him look like you have no business being in there with him.

[1732] He's doing a whole different thing than you're doing.

[1733] You think he's there and he's here, and you think he's here, and he's there, and then you're getting hit, and you're getting punched, and you get and take it down, and you think you're going to get hit.

[1734] Right, right.

[1735] He just could do everything.

[1736] Yeah, that's the thing that makes him so crazy is that he can do everything in the book.

[1737] Yeah, he's not a striker.

[1738] you don't have to just worry about one thing.

[1739] How about Ray Borg?

[1740] How about when he suplexes him and then catches him in an arm bar on the way down?

[1741] Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of.

[1742] Crazy.

[1743] I wasn't sure who it was, but it was like, what the fuck?

[1744] Catches him on the way down with a like a fucking movie.

[1745] Yeah, yeah.

[1746] In a world title fight, defending his title.

[1747] No, that was nuts.

[1748] That was so nuts.

[1749] Mighty Mouse was something real special.

[1750] And I felt like that put him on such a crazy level of expertise.

[1751] Yes.

[1752] when he did that one.

[1753] Wasn't that the one before he got released?

[1754] I feel like that was his last fight.

[1755] The Suhudo fight was the last fight.

[1756] Well, no, I mean the one before he lost.

[1757] That was the one before he lost against Sehudo, I think you're right.

[1758] So it's almost like they were like, well, there's nothing else we could do with you.

[1759] Like obviously you're going to do that to everyone else.

[1760] The future of that division was uncertain, right?

[1761] They weren't even sure what they were going to do with the division once Sehudo won.

[1762] And then now that Suhudo went up and he beat Marlon Marais for the Bannamweight title.

[1763] And then they have this situation where they're going to have Figurado and Benavides fight for the flyweight title.

[1764] So Suhudo Aban is that title.

[1765] And Mighty Mouse did the right thing.

[1766] He got big money over there.

[1767] They paid him a lot of money to fight in one of them.

[1768] And they give him hard fights too because they don't have hydration over there either or dehydration.

[1769] So you fight it what you weigh, which I think really is what we should be doing.

[1770] Yeah, and I don't think Mighty Mouse was ever cutting weight.

[1771] Not much.

[1772] He was always, like, just walking around that weight, yeah.

[1773] Yeah, I mean, he may be, like, 1 .35, but it's not, like, he's not cutting anything, like, substantial.

[1774] And when he was fighting at 35, when there was no 125, everybody was just so much bigger than him.

[1775] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1776] We still have that pitcher in the gym of Dom suplex in him.

[1777] Yeah.

[1778] He was so much smaller than Dom.

[1779] But I'm glad you went to fly away.

[1780] Well, I mean, he's spectacular over there.

[1781] He's doing really well.

[1782] You know, and they've got fucking killers over there, too.

[1783] Like that guy that knocked out Eddie Alvarez, Timothy Natsyukin, that guy's a fucking savage.

[1784] He's scary.

[1785] Yeah, yeah.

[1786] Just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they haven't been training for 10, 15 years and have all these fights over there.

[1787] Waiting for this opportunity.

[1788] Yeah.

[1789] I feel like it's going to be a common point in time where there's going to have to be some sort of a unification fight, whether it's a Bellator or unification fight, because I still think that Diego Lima, he's the one that I look at.

[1790] And I go, that guy, I think, is, he's elite at 170.

[1791] Like, he might be as good as anybody alive at 170.

[1792] I'd like to see him.

[1793] And there was a funny face -off with him and Camaro Usman.

[1794] Oh, yeah, I saw that in Houston.

[1795] Yeah.

[1796] I mean, I don't know if that's something the UFC would ever do, but fuck, if I ran the UFC, that would do what I want to do.

[1797] It really should happen.

[1798] Yeah, it really should happen.

[1799] I mean, they have female fly weights too that could be a thing you know like put in two title fights there and there you go that would be fun doing in Hawaii it would have to be a time if you want a vacation yeah no you know how Max has been campaigning Max I campaigned like KFC Hawaii and then Belleter did it just like as a fuck you I know well if Max has a rematch against Alexander Volcanowski that would be a good place to do it you know but thing in hawaii the big place is outdoor and you never know in hawai if it's going to rain yeah especially like a like a destination like that it's probably going to rain for like 20 minutes like right before you start title fight and then stop raining they could just put some kind of a cover over just the octagon maybe they could actually do it I don't know but uh I just feel like these other organizations whether it's one or bellator they're getting to this point where you might see it and then Rory McDonald just went to the PFL.

[1800] Oh.

[1801] He went, yeah.

[1802] That is what they're calling it, right?

[1803] It used to be the World Series of fighting, then it's the PFL, right?

[1804] Yeah, the million dollar tournament?

[1805] Yeah, that thing.

[1806] Yeah.

[1807] Rory just went over to that.

[1808] Cool.

[1809] Which I was pretty shocked, because he went to Bellator.

[1810] I was shocked at that, and then he won the title at Bellator, and then he went over to the PFL, my phone.

[1811] I wonder why he did that.

[1812] I'm sure they just offered him a big check.

[1813] Yeah.

[1814] We had a guy win the million dollar tournament this year.

[1815] Oh, really?

[1816] Yeah.

[1817] Yeah, Miliano is sorted.

[1818] Oh, okay, right, right.

[1819] Yeah, yeah, he won.

[1820] They gave away like six different million dollar tournaments, right?

[1821] Yeah.

[1822] That's crazy.

[1823] I'm like, where is this money coming around?

[1824] I know.

[1825] How are we going to do that?

[1826] Cash them checks.

[1827] Yeah, but that's the thing that's something like one FC or PFL, they kind of have to do that.

[1828] If they want to bring over a guy like Eddie Alvarez or Mighty Mouse or you got to come with a big money.

[1829] And they have it.

[1830] They sell out giant places over there.

[1831] Yeah.

[1832] are they doing that um what is the name of the big one in uh japan um satama oh sitama superina yeah yeah are they doing it like places like that i don't know they do they do it in singapore i know they're doing oh they haven't been to japan yet have they have they i don't think so i don't know i don't know i'm fascinated though i'm i really like when there's competition i like when something rises Like, one of my saddest moments in MMA is that Fador in his prime never fought in the UFC.

[1833] When Kane was in his prime and Fador was in his prime, God damn, that would have been glorious.

[1834] To see those two go out of it, that would have been amazing.

[1835] Yeah.

[1836] You know, that's the thing about MMA is that these organizations are, you know, it's the UFC really and then there's everybody else.

[1837] The UFC is the top of the food chain and everybody else is trying real hard.

[1838] And every now and then someone will rock, like a Douglas Lima or a Fadour, they'll get to a point where you're like, huh, I want to see that guy fight against the best in the UFC.

[1839] I want to see what's up.

[1840] Well, they kind of do it with Belladour and Risen.

[1841] Like they've started mixing, like they had Darien Caldwell fight, Horiguchi.

[1842] And that was like, I don't know, that was just like a really big deal.

[1843] I feel like anytime like you have the two, it's kind of like team fights, you know.

[1844] anytime you have that happening it's just I don't know it just makes things more interesting I think so I totally agree like I'd be down for that It's just someone has to rise Someone has to become this undeniable force Where everybody's clamoring for the fight And then the UFC will go There's a lot of money in this Let's do it But right now that hasn't happened Belator has never really gained The sort of notoriety that the UFC has Like if you were fighting in Bellator You know like people Some people would know who you are But it'd probably be like less than half the people You know, it's like, it's just a, it's like the NFL or, you know, cute tips, you know, versus cotton swabs, you know, like everybody wants cute tips, you know what I mean?

[1845] Yeah, yeah, it's the brand name.

[1846] Yeah, and if you look at the sheer number of fighters that are elite in the UFC, it's undoubtedly the best fighters in the world, but then there's a few.

[1847] There's a few of those Bellator fighters that really fucking stand out, and there's a few of those one fighters that really stand out, and you go, hmm, I don't know, they, they might be able to hang with anybody in the world.

[1848] Yeah, it's just going to take time, you know, like.

[1849] Like, the more they pay people, the more they start paying out as well as the UFC, the more you're going to get those talented people to go there instead of, you know, holding out for a spot in the contender series.

[1850] And then once that, like, changing of the guard happens a couple times, then you'll definitely see it, you know?

[1851] And then it'll probably be, like, undeniable at that point.

[1852] But I don't know.

[1853] Probably, I don't know.

[1854] I don't know if it's going to happen anytime soon.

[1855] Well, listen, Angela, I'm happy we got you in here.

[1856] I'm very excited for your fight.

[1857] This weekend.

[1858] Tell me your opponent's name again.

[1859] Do you don't remember a name?

[1860] I'm like that tie girl.

[1861] Loma look -boom me. Whoa.

[1862] Yes, it's a beautiful name.

[1863] Very Thai.

[1864] So I'm excited for your fight and I'm just happy to have you in here.

[1865] Yeah, thanks, man. I'm a fan.

[1866] And so just good luck this weekend and let's make it happen.

[1867] Cool.

[1868] I love it.

[1869] Thank you very much.

[1870] Thanks for being here.

[1871] Thank you.

[1872] And good luck on your flight too.

[1873] Thanks a lot.

[1874] Bye, everybody.

[1875] It's cool.