#1871 - Jon Peters

[0] The Joe Rogan experience.

[1] Train by day, Joe Rogan, podcast by night, all day.

[2] All right, you're up and knowing.

[3] This is the first interview I've ever done except for Barbara Walters 30 years ago.

[4] Holy shit.

[5] When the first question she asked me was, that was with Streisand at the time.

[6] He said, are you a hustler?

[7] And I said, if you mean, do I hustle every fucking day on my life?

[8] Yes, I'm a hustler.

[9] What does that mean?

[10] Are you a hustler?

[11] What was she implying?

[12] That I was using Barbara.

[13] Wow.

[14] There was a hairdresser with the biggest star in the world.

[15] Isn't that crazy?

[16] She would never dare ask that question if you were a woman.

[17] No. And, you know, you were with Roger Moore or whatever.

[18] Yeah.

[19] Never.

[20] She was angry, you know, and, yeah, she was angry.

[21] That's a wild question to ask someone.

[22] Like, a person who's a hairdresser can't fall in love with some famous singer?

[23] That's not possible?

[24] Yeah.

[25] Like, are they out of reach?

[26] Yeah, I think.

[27] that the fact that I was making decisions for her were not making decisions I was creating alternatives for her and she was like yeah man star is born was something that when I first read it I called her and I said I read this thing you schmuck it's been made three times before and she hung up the phone on me that was 1976 with wow and that's what I met Elvis I went through your IMDB holy shit have you produced a lot of movies yeah a lot of marijuana man A lot of getting fucked up, Jack.

[28] You made so many movies, but...

[29] Yeah, over 100.

[30] That's incredible.

[31] That's incredible.

[32] Yeah, because I always was a storyteller.

[33] And as a kid, I was not...

[34] I didn't always tell the truth, but they were my stories.

[35] My life became my story.

[36] My stories became my life.

[37] The things that I'm doing today are things that I said I would do.

[38] I wanted to be...

[39] I wanted...

[40] I was in love with Ali.

[41] I made Ali the life story of.

[42] I was in love with Presley.

[43] I wanted him to be in Starsborn.

[44] We flew up to Vegas, and we met with him.

[45] And he was so fat, he couldn't sit in a chair.

[46] It was about 100 pounds overweight.

[47] Wow.

[48] And he said, I got a problem, man. I got a problem.

[49] I said, what's your problem?

[50] He said, I'm having a fight with my girlfriend.

[51] And I said, what does that mean?

[52] She's flying in my 747 for two hours.

[53] I haven't decided whether let her land or not.

[54] So, yeah, so I've been lucky.

[55] I've been a really blessed lucky guy.

[56] Did you meet Elvis when he was doing karate?

[57] Yeah.

[58] So that was when he was Ed Parker student?

[59] No, no, no, no. I met him once when he was really fat.

[60] And Colonel Parker called me and said he wants to do the movie, but you can't be a part of it.

[61] So I called because I was a producer.

[62] I created it.

[63] I wrote it.

[64] There was my thing, man. I was obsessed with this movie.

[65] And the love story was me and Barbara.

[66] copied it and Barbara said fuck him I said fuck you and so he didn't do it and then later after the movie Priscilla Presley called me and said to me I got to tell you he wanted to see it on opening day and he did and he cried that he didn't do it because I would have got to the other side of Elvis I would have got to the pain I would have got to the feelings I would have got past the other thing it would have been gigantic because I saw that in him I could feel the pain in him.

[67] So when you met him was towards the end then?

[68] Yes, towards the end.

[69] Did you watch the film, the new one?

[70] The new Elvis movie?

[71] Fantastic.

[72] It's amazing, right?

[73] Yes, because they did it differently.

[74] Yeah, they did an amazing job.

[75] They did a completely different day.

[76] It was amazing.

[77] The way, just the way it was edited and put together with all the, you know, the things in between the scenes, it was incredible.

[78] Yeah.

[79] It was so good.

[80] It's like that story is such a unique story because there had never been a person like him before that was that famous ever ever he still gives me chills men michael jackson was like the next one right he'd never been someone like him either michael jackson and i uh i went to him and i when i was doing stars born i mean uh batman and i had prince to do the music and i wanted michael to do the warring theme so it was like a fight so michael jackson plays no thank you Michael Jackson plays, you know, Batman, the guy, and Prince plays the Joker, Jack Nicholson.

[81] But Michael backed out.

[82] We became friends.

[83] He took me to his house.

[84] He showed me thriller.

[85] And he said, why he showed him this is because you did American Werewolf in London.

[86] And I copied you to do Thriller.

[87] Wow.

[88] America Werewolf in London's greatest horror movie of all time.

[89] I made that.

[90] I mean, I didn't write it, write it.

[91] You saw the wolf out there?

[92] I fucking worshiped that movie Yeah That movie was so fun It was such a great movie Because it was such a great combination of sheer terror and comedy Yeah It was amazing Yeah thank you man It's amazing movie That's what we did It stands the test of time I watched it again like a year ago John Landis Oh He's the guy that unfortunately The yeah You know Yeah The accident It's terrible That American Werewolf in London movie you know what you guys did was uh it's just like a real like a horror classic yeah thank you there's a few like the shining there's a few classics american world of london is the monster movie classic yeah well one of the other things that i was lucky enough to do is caddyshack oh and everybody golfs so i'm going to make a new one now and i just i just got off the phone with shack i'm going to put everybody together in this motherfucker It's the elite, which will be Billy, Chevy, that own the club, and they one day get made -offed.

[93] Now, all the guys are kind of guys that have money that they turn down, they take over the club, and these guys work for them, and it's going to be a very funny story.

[94] Wow.

[95] How come Numbun has done another good werewolf movie?

[96] because any movie that you make is a gift from God they're so hard is that what it is it's a hard man I give people academy we're just like that the movie made the pieces the agents the story the acting the distribution to this to that the bullshit the lying the cheating it's impossible wow I have a movie that I'm going to do it's called Africa and it's like out of Africa and Eric Roth wrote it who wrote he's one of the greatest writers in Hollywood and he wrote it 22 years ago for me I've been developing this for 20 years because I never got the love story right I had Brad Pitt, I had Angelina Jolie they broke up the story of Philaparte but I'm working now on getting the live story and I'm going to make the movie it's about a journalist doing a story on a guy who's trying to stop the poaching and the killing of all the animals in Africa beautiful love story loses two legs you got all the yeah he got shot down by the poachers and he we see the whole black experience and the culture and they have a one day of fighting and you see swords the shit that it's amazing all in the African culture wow what what excites you most about making movies at this point in your life stories stories yeah like this has got to excite you like Dana White fucking makes me crazy crazy I love him He wrote me something.

[97] J .P., I love you.

[98] I love you, motherfucker.

[99] And he can box.

[100] He was going to box knucklehead.

[101] I saw that on the thing.

[102] I was like, fuck, he's got big balls.

[103] Tito's not tough.

[104] Not tough.

[105] No, he's not tough.

[106] Oh, yeah, he's not tough.

[107] Very tough.

[108] I was like, big man, you have high standards.

[109] No, no, no, no, no. He's not.

[110] No, no, no, no. I understand what you're saying.

[111] I'm sorry.

[112] Although on the standards, the fight that, that, a fellow the show before last with the blood all over the face that happened so often which fight was that?

[113] No, he put the blood Oh, Luke Rockhold.

[114] Yeah, in Polo Costa.

[115] Brilliant.

[116] Until that moment.

[117] Then I thought it was a poor loser.

[118] I mean, he should have, as opposed to the heavy Samoan guy who got beat up by the big black guy, he was a great loser.

[119] Yeah, he was.

[120] Taitui Vasa.

[121] He took his kids, took his thing.

[122] I think Rockhold and that guy had had so many bad words to say to each other like during training camp and leaning up to it it was like biting of the ear like Tyson biting the ear well except it's legal like you're allowed to like smear your blood all over a guy and guys do it all the time they just don't do it that blatantly i've never seen that yeah if guys have like a cut on their head you will oftentimes see them like leaning towards the guy's face oh yeah yeah yeah during the fight they know they know that blood sucks to get in your eye they're not stupid but it's legal yeah you know it's not something they're actively trying to pursue as a technique, but if they find that they're bleeding from their forehead and they see the guy's face right there, they'll just do it.

[123] But the way Luke Rockhold did, it was just crazy.

[124] Yeah.

[125] He's rubbed his bloody nose all over the guy's face.

[126] He's a bit of a bitch.

[127] Luke Rockhold is?

[128] Yeah.

[129] I would not say that.

[130] No, in my opinion, as an audience.

[131] For doing that?

[132] No, just in general.

[133] Really?

[134] The way he behaves.

[135] It's just something about him that, I don't know, I see him as an actor, I see him as a movie star i see him but then that fight he was amazing so maybe he isn't i just he's cursed with being impossibly good looking that maybe that's what it is that's a big part of it's easy to hate him maybe that's what it's what it's that's what it's it bothers men yeah i always say that uh the only reason anyone gets laid is because luke rock hole didn't show up first yes it's true and he's got a beautiful body he's perfect and he's tall yeah and so that bothers people so if he was just a regular guy it wouldn't bother you as much could be part of the arrogance the bothers people but all prize fighters have arrogance.

[136] Yeah.

[137] It's like it's so common.

[138] You kind of have to have a certain amount of arrogance and bravado to be successful.

[139] I mean, they don't all, some of them are pretty humble.

[140] They keep it to themselves.

[141] But inside, you know, like, there's a, there's a bravado there.

[142] And, you know, when it comes from a super good looking guy, it's a hard to take.

[143] People don't like it.

[144] It's hard to take.

[145] It's why people get mad at me, man. I still got hair, you know what I mean?

[146] So, you know, yeah, no, it's, it's been, I've had an amazing career.

[147] thing has been my hobby I tried to pick every fight before it happens within about a minute into the round by the way they walk and move and stuff and everything it's like a hobby weren't you entertained by that Luke Rock old fight though that was very entertaining phenomenal that was incredible phenomenal I was I loved him for that because he let it all go and there were scenes in it that were like a movie where he said fuck you yes yes yes it was definitely movie even you said it it was like a movie yeah I was like a movie and I was like a movie It is like a movie.

[148] It really was.

[149] It was like, if you saw that in a movie, like, come on.

[150] Especially if you had a got to know him and had his life before and realized that this was his real.

[151] In his way, because he's been so beautiful, this is his license of manhood.

[152] Because now he could actually be tough and beautiful.

[153] Well, he was even when he was the champion.

[154] He was a strike force champion.

[155] Right.

[156] Then he was a UFC champion.

[157] And when he was in his prime, like, see, the thing about an elite high -level fighter, and this is the reality of it, The consequences on your body are so grave.

[158] There's so much going wrong.

[159] Your neck and your fucking shoulder and your knee.

[160] It's always happening.

[161] And so these guys only have a few years to perform at like the elite of the elite level.

[162] I saw it with Victor.

[163] When he, that first guy knocked out, it went across the ring.

[164] He didn't bang, bang, bang, bang.

[165] Yeah, it was, no, no, the guy took half his face off.

[166] It was in Oklahoma.

[167] You're talking about the first fight?

[168] So the first fight in the UFC, that was again.

[169] Trey Telegman.

[170] He ran across, yeah, with the red -headed kids.

[171] I don't think he had red hair.

[172] Or he had light hair.

[173] But his face, he had to go to the hospital.

[174] He broke the whole thing.

[175] Yeah, well, I would imagine Vitor had crazy handsp - He did in the shoulders.

[176] In the back.

[177] Yeah, then he beat Scott Ferozo and won the tournament, the heavyweight tournament.

[178] He was 19 years old.

[179] Yeah.

[180] I loved it when he took out the barfighter.

[181] Tank Abbott.

[182] Yeah.

[183] You were telling me that you, You knew Carlson Gracie.

[184] I trained with him.

[185] That's wild.

[186] For three years, man. Every day.

[187] When he was on Horthorn?

[188] When he was at my house.

[189] Oh, he came to your house and train you.

[190] Yeah, with Victor.

[191] Oh, but that was back when they were calling him Victor.

[192] I interviewed Victor to marijuana.

[193] Because he wouldn't train, and I got him loaded, and he stayed in the gym the whole day.

[194] Really?

[195] Yeah.

[196] He wouldn't train unless he got him.

[197] He was lazy.

[198] A lot of guys that are good looking and built like that, they're lazy.

[199] Because he beats people up like that.

[200] Wow, he was a spectacular.

[201] He was, yeah.

[202] He was so fast.

[203] Yeah, and that's when I called Dana, and I said, remember me, we almost bought the thing together and da -da -da.

[204] he was 19 to fight like out of a at a at the weight class that they're like natural to his body he'd been one of the greatest of all time at the name see if you remember it al stanky oh yeah sure found a man i put victor with el stanky oh no kidding al stanky was hilarious that's how he learned how to fight people forgot about i forgot about i found him and i did a movie on him al stanky was hilarious in the copton he was a tough motherfucker oh yeah he could swim we would race in the pool he would i would do 10 laps he do 30 laps in the water He's like amazing guy, but he taught Victor had a bob and had a weave and everything.

[205] And in the UFC in those days, there was no stand -up.

[206] It was all on the ground, almost.

[207] Well, nobody had ground skills like Vitor had, but also had the kind of hands.

[208] Yeah, exactly.

[209] That was what was interesting.

[210] Yeah.

[211] I just think that if you go to like the early part of his career, if that guy was in a, like, a weight class that was natural to his body, like 185 pound weight class something like that i agree with you would have been one of the great champions he would have been one of the great champions yeah i trained years ago as a kid he got up to like 240 pounds yeah i know he got to 241 i went to 281 i'm now down i got to lose another 30 pounds what do you do and lose it um no food uh raw fish and vegetables and that's it raw fish yeah i love it man yeah yeah i have a chef and she's the greatest chef in the world and she cooks for me wherever I go.

[212] And, yeah, I got to lose a little.

[213] I want to get, I'm 260, I want to get down to, I really like it's down to 200.

[214] Do you have a trainer?

[215] Yeah, oh, yeah.

[216] That's a boy.

[217] Brazilian, great guys.

[218] That's awesome.

[219] Amazing black belt trainer, guy, champion from Brazil.

[220] I brought him over.

[221] He's fantastic.

[222] So you're doing jiu -jitsu with him?

[223] As much as I can because I'm all broke up.

[224] Yeah.

[225] My knees.

[226] So he's got you doing other stuff too?

[227] Yeah, yeah.

[228] Yeah.

[229] That's great.

[230] Having someone like that, especially for a guy like you that's very busy.

[231] Yeah.

[232] Having someone like this is my job.

[233] I trained for my life, man, from the morning I train, I live in my spa, I live in, I've never gone to an office, everybody resolves around my schnoodle.

[234] I have great talented people.

[235] When you were talking to Elon Musk about how does he do it all, delegation, signing smart people.

[236] You put them, then you don't have to do nothing.

[237] You just tell them what you want to do, and they figure out to do it, and you adjust it.

[238] I do that.

[239] I run like 30 companies.

[240] Oh, that's genius.

[241] That's probably fun, too.

[242] I'm excited.

[243] That's why I'm breathing heavy.

[244] Like, I want to go.

[245] You seem excited.

[246] I am.

[247] You're fired up.

[248] Talking about training.

[249] This is my one.

[250] I didn't.

[251] I was going to do a book.

[252] They gave me like a big advance.

[253] Barbara and everybody got angry.

[254] So I gave the money back and I never did it.

[255] This is the first time I'm being interviewed, really being interviewed.

[256] Where someone can watch and say, oh, that's who he is.

[257] Well, I always think about it just like having a conversation.

[258] Like, I've always just wanted to talk to you.

[259] Just think, you know, when I look at your body of work, and the history that you've had and making movies, it's incredible.

[260] You know, I, when I did Starsborn and we came back from the, everybody put me down.

[261] I was like a joke.

[262] I was a pimp.

[263] I was that how dare me produced the biggest movie was the biggest star and I must have a 12 -foot dick.

[264] Although I did learn in life that I'm actually a lesbian.

[265] So I really learned how to make love with women.

[266] Once I saw my friend, this model and this little lesbian lady and I said what do you do how did you get her because I would always come too fast I could never make it work right you know I mean sometimes it works sometimes it didn't and I learn now that with my wife my lady we make love with three hours it becomes an orchestra with my love for her and my gratitude that she saved my life by bringing the spirituality into me Because I was like an entire living.

[267] So when you say spirituality, like in what form?

[268] Studying Joe Dispenter, genius, you should look him up.

[269] He's a fucking hundred thousand people shells out, 100 ,000.

[270] He's like he's, but he's amazing.

[271] Studying people every night, six, seven hours, learning or therapy, working on what it was like to be in jail as a kid.

[272] See my father die in front of me. My best friend shot as he was going over the fence.

[273] and juvie a lot of stuff that happened to me as a kid you just glossed over some pretty crazy stories yeah you saw your father die in front of you yeah shit piss and go who it took a long time to get over it but i never got over it but women saved my life because every time i got somebody good she was smart she was talented and she filled in that thing barbara gave me a career and my wife gave me love That's beautiful Yeah And Peter Goober I love him We broke up Not in a good way One of the smartest Most wonderful I ever met in my life I wish I had not lost him As my friend After a partnership of 15 years What happened?

[274] How did it go south?

[275] I got it I always fucked his wife Whoops We got so close That she Started feeling for me And because I'm a talker And Peter isn't she started getting very connected to me not in my intention not in my want I didn't think but I did feel romantic because she was she was different than Barbara too she was very loving but I never touched her and I think that was a breach that my karma it kicked my ass for 10 years I couldn't I was so fucked up by losing him it took me a while to get myself back and to take responsibility for what I did I never touched her but she would come sitting in a jacuzzi with me and 10 other girls and smoke dope and you just got too close is that one of the hardest things about putting together all these films is the relationships between all the people that are involved yeah you have to be a master manipulator and you've got to be with each other all the time because you're working 16 hour days 16 hours days and you have to get them to do things they don't want to do that's why I didn't do the thing with Dana and you have to be in Vegas with fighters I wanted to be with girls with titties and everything But you go tities I love tities show me But I am No you know I was a professional Ladiesman because I was a hairdresser So every day if I wasn't busy I had to go out and find pretty girls And say come in let me do your hair When you're doing these films And it takes like 16 hour days And there's all these different personalities you're juggling.

[276] How do you keep, like, a vision of what you...

[277] Same way you guys did in the UFC.

[278] I have a vision of the movie.

[279] I sat with Dana and I said, this is bigger than the Power Rangers, Dana.

[280] And Dana said, I never thought, I said, yeah.

[281] I said, because you guys naked and thing and I was dating Catherine Zeta Jones.

[282] We went to a big fight in Oklahoma, where there was a gun show right here.

[283] After the fight, the Brazilian wiped everybody out, all the red guys redneck from people, they started fighting with us.

[284] And I was with Catherine and Victor and Hoyce and Hickson and Carlson, everybody got around us and walked us to our car and to get us out.

[285] Wow.

[286] And that's when Catherine said, man, is Victor sexy?

[287] I said, okay.

[288] You know what I mean?

[289] I said, let's open it.

[290] I opened him a dojo.

[291] I did everything.

[292] You know, I got, I put them in business.

[293] Wow.

[294] That's a, it's a crazy history that you've had.

[295] Yes, I have, sir.

[296] You've had a lot of wild experiences in your life.

[297] Yeah, and as a little boy, my dad was an American Indian Cherokee.

[298] My mom's Italian.

[299] So I was riding horses early, and they came to cast the Ten Commandments.

[300] And I got picked out of like a thousand people to be.

[301] in that and meet John Derek, Cecil Biedermil.

[302] And I was an extra riding on a big bison with a little goat, and the guy said, if any of these animals go to the bathroom, call pickup, because when they go to the bathroom, it's that big, because they're like 1 ,500 pounds.

[303] So we're going down the thing, and my little goat starts the shit, and I went, oh, pick up!

[304] And they cut, and Dill Mill came around.

[305] I said, who said that?

[306] I said, I did it.

[307] He said, the fucking big.

[308] one's man not the little ones now shut the fuck up or something like that you know oh he should have been more specific yeah well you're just little teeny things yeah little pellets but yeah so from that time on I got hooked in the movie business so something about look the UFC is a movie I went to Dana years ago and said let's I want to do your movie yeah but can you encapsulate something like the UFC in a two hour movie no no no but you can do your best you'd have to tell the story from the Gracie's angle and the street fights and the 14 hour of fights yeah UFC 1 is the story yeah oh yeah man that's the real story the Hoys Gracie story that's the real story that's how I got in Hoys Hickson all those guys they were my guys no one's really done a movie on that no but that's the thing I want to do and then I can involve Dana and you and all this stuff but I want to tell it from Brazil And then bring it back.

[309] That's a great idea.

[310] Yeah, it's a big epic.

[311] But I see it in my head.

[312] That's what happens.

[313] I see things finished.

[314] The graces are the most important family in the history of martial arts.

[315] Totally.

[316] They're the most important contributors to the overall.

[317] 100%.

[318] Hey, it's in the kosher men.

[319] Watch a TV show and the lead actors doing a choke in an arm bar.

[320] It's like, why?

[321] It's like it'd be permeate.

[322] Because when we did it, the police would come.

[323] You would have to leave.

[324] The cops would come.

[325] You know.

[326] They've got it so that the whole world practice is Gigi.

[327] Yes, I see it.

[328] And it was all them.

[329] The kids are the kids.

[330] Yes.

[331] It was, yeah.

[332] Having Hoyce on TV for UFC 1 started at all.

[333] I remember it.

[334] And you, you're a big, big part of it.

[335] Thank you very much.

[336] Big part of it.

[337] You're part of that culture.

[338] I'm a professional fan.

[339] Well, when you are, and the way you handle yourself is like Dana's guy.

[340] And between the two of you, without compromising each other, you do a brilliant job.

[341] If you left the show.

[342] I would be very upset.

[343] Well, if Dana leaves, I'm gone.

[344] There's in my contract.

[345] Without Dana White.

[346] No, no, no, no. Take it down 60%.

[347] Yeah, what he does is very different.

[348] He knows what the fighters are.

[349] He knows what the drama is.

[350] Shut the fuck up.

[351] You know how hard it is to do this fucking show?

[352] You don't know a fuck all.

[353] You don't know how to fucking fight.

[354] Shut the fuck up.

[355] He's a real guy.

[356] Oh, man, he's great.

[357] He's a real guy.

[358] He's a real guy.

[359] He's really him.

[360] He's a real guy.

[361] day long.

[362] I'm nothing to him.

[363] But to say that he loved me and you know why?

[364] Because I made Vision Quest.

[365] He said changed his life.

[366] Changed so many wrestlers' lives.

[367] That's it.

[368] That's what I was running to wrestle and that's why I did that show.

[369] And that's, and I found Madonna.

[370] You know, it's one of my favorite scenes in that movie, in any movie, is the scene where the guy who works at the place with him is telling him about the soccer player.

[371] Yeah.

[372] And about how, he is watching it at home and just for that one moment everyone gets elevated yes it's true yes it's a great speech though the other night when that i had the first time in my life and i've seen a thousand fights and i've been two in 200 of them to the death almost in the street when that guy was getting beat up by that black guy and he was punching him like a bag i looked away i couldn't watch it yeah it was the first time it was so brutal and and it looked great on the other hand what's he going to do when he comes across someone that can punch and really bob and weaver which guys are you talking about the black guy and the saloon guy oh Cyril gone yeah I'm bad with names yeah no worries no worries yeah siril gone man god damn that was good yeah he's insane he's such a smooth strike but it was a perfect storm yeah he didn't have anybody coming at him this guy was big punches he was always open well Cyril gone is just very agile yeah he was very unusual Usually agile for a big guy.

[373] When we started, there were no black athletes, the fighters.

[374] I used to say when we get the black fighters and you're going to see rhythm and movement and punches and things coming from here and there and everything else.

[375] Dancing, man. Life is a fucking musical.

[376] You're either in it or you're out of it.

[377] And you have to make your own life, which is what all these guys talk about every day, their own musical.

[378] They're own pieces that work that fulfill your life to make you happy.

[379] Because if you're not happy and you have money, you have nothing, take it for me. this year twice in the hospital for what they call accidental suicide and because I had I was we were breaking up and I was self -medicating which I've always done legally but not so much and luckily that's a hilarious definition right there what legally but not so much yeah right exactly how self -medicating legally yeah exactly a little sketchy yeah so it's I I know the feeling Yeah.

[380] Of just, you know, especially at my age, 77 people, I'm preparing for another 20.

[381] So I'm training for another 20.

[382] Beautiful.

[383] The way I eat, the way I think, the way I do.

[384] You're alive right now.

[385] All you have to do is just keep pushing.

[386] One day at a time, yeah.

[387] Yeah, man. It's like when you're at a certain stage of your life, if you're mobile and you want to do better, you can do better.

[388] If you're alive, you can get better.

[389] Totally.

[390] A hundred percent.

[391] Everybody can.

[392] You'll feel better.

[393] I know a lot of billionaires are dead.

[394] Yeah.

[395] Unfortunately, there's so much stress involved in that kind of a job.

[396] Do you see Mark Zuckerberg's training in MMA?

[397] Yes.

[398] He's really pretty good at it.

[399] It's like, I mean, for a guy, he's doing the right thing.

[400] I'm looking at the exercises.

[401] I saw him on the show.

[402] I saw him on the show.

[403] He was great.

[404] Interesting.

[405] And that's one of the crazy job that guy has.

[406] Yes, he's a genius.

[407] Yeah.

[408] And now he has to feed the genius.

[409] But, I mean, imagine being responsible for three.

[410] billion people's content and what and and also you have shareholders and also you have like CEOs and all these people meeting I wouldn't be able to sleep I don't know how he does it and you know he said that training was one of the best things for him because he was running but unfortunately running he said made him think more yeah so he's thinking about all his problems while he's running quiet time but when he's training he can't think of anything else like when someone's trying to tackle him he doesn't get hit exactly so all you're focused on is that and that cleanses the mind have you ever been in a fight where it's full to whoever gets knocked out.

[411] You'd be in like a full contact fight?

[412] Yes.

[413] I mean, like a street fight fight.

[414] No, I didn't really get in street fights.

[415] Yeah.

[416] No, I avoided street fights.

[417] I mean, the last street fight I had is probably I was like 14.

[418] Yeah.

[419] I had a, the last one I got in, I lost, and the guy didn't even hurt me. He got me in a headlock.

[420] Like, I didn't even know we were going to fight.

[421] I was like, why is this guy staring at me like this?

[422] Like, he got my face.

[423] He grabbed me in a headlock and he threw me to the ground.

[424] And he got on top of me in the bathroom, the boys' room.

[425] And he went like that, he was going to punch me, and then he laughed.

[426] He was like, nah, I don't even have to.

[427] And he just let me up.

[428] And it was humiliating.

[429] It was humiliating.

[430] And then I realized, like, oh, my God, I got to learn how to wrestle.

[431] And then I joined the wrestling team.

[432] Oh, wow.

[433] And then when I wrestled, I was wrestling, and then I started doing taekwondo the same year.

[434] And I like Taekwendo a lot more.

[435] I just liked the idea of knocking someone unconscious.

[436] It was very exciting to me. So I got involved in that, and I did that for it.

[437] There was a time when Jerry Bruckheimer was partners with a guy named Don Simpson.

[438] Don Simpson was a genius, and so was Jerry.

[439] Top Gun is one of the best movies I've ever seen in my life.

[440] I've seen it 10 times.

[441] I just watch it over and over and over and over.

[442] It's so damn fucking brilliantly done.

[443] It's like I did Stars Born two years ago.

[444] We had the soundtrack.

[445] We have the things.

[446] They had everything.

[447] And at the time, Top Gun was just blew the roof.

[448] off the world.

[449] It did, but this is better.

[450] This one, this one that they did now.

[451] The new one, you think it's better?

[452] I need to watch it.

[453] Oh, wait a minute.

[454] The cameras are in the cockpit, man. And they go like this, and you're in the cockpit, and you got the music, and you got the score.

[455] Talk about a musical?

[456] It's a musical.

[457] Wow.

[458] And he's phenomenal.

[459] You're going to go, how's he doing that?

[460] How's he doing that?

[461] Do they play highway to the danger zone?

[462] Yes.

[463] The hair steps from the back of your neck, man. Yes.

[464] Of course they do.

[465] Of course they do.

[466] It's crazy.

[467] That's amazing.

[468] A brilliant movie.

[469] I called Breckheimer.

[470] I say, look, you're the camp, man. I love you.

[471] This is a brilliant movie.

[472] But, see, it's like I am with them, the way fighters are with each other.

[473] You know, somebody's good.

[474] They're damn good.

[475] Right, right.

[476] Yeah, there's some, look, that's a classic movie.

[477] That's a goddamn cool.

[478] Do you have a favorite at all the movies you've done?

[479] Well, I like Batman because it was one that was, it broke.

[480] Nobody had any done anything like that before.

[481] Right.

[482] And I had a big affair with Kim Basinger over there, and we fell in love.

[483] And I hired all UFC fighters to fight my stuff.

[484] There's no such thing as UFC fighter, but those guys.

[485] Martial arts guys.

[486] Yeah, hit guys from the tongue, sword guys.

[487] Oh, wow.

[488] Two guys went to the hospital that got cut because I pushed the limit on the damn thing.

[489] And we shot it on the table with the fight sequences, with the way we shot at everything that we did.

[490] it may not look like it today but in those days Tim Burton was going to use a six -inch knife I said no we got the blade and we got the guys and they didn't think so Michael Keaton was a great fucking bad guy he was a great fucking bad bad because he's the best actor in the world he's one of the top five actresses ever lived look at his career look what he does look what he did on steroids or whatever it is on Vicodin or whatever it is that three hour piece is You know, and I'm sure he's in the program.

[491] I would have to guess.

[492] I know he did because I hired him out of a movie called Clean and Sober.

[493] And I saw in his eyes he could fight because as a kid, I got in so many fights, but I would read your eyes before I'd even make a move.

[494] If I saw something I didn't like, I'd probably figure a way to get out of it.

[495] You know, and that's how I went from Hollywood to the chairman of Sony, to biotech companies, to this, to that, to the UFC.

[496] Maybe it would have been great.

[497] because I have good instincts and I kind of have ordinary taste, let's say.

[498] Did people resist?

[499] They resisted Michael Keaton and his Batman.

[500] Nobody wanted him.

[501] Yeah.

[502] They didn't like that idea that a comedian.

[503] Because he was a stand -up comic.

[504] Yeah, they wanted a six -foot -three guy that came in with the big muscles.

[505] I said, no, look in his eyes, he's a killer.

[506] He'll stab you five times in the neck before you even know what happened.

[507] Is he your favorite Batman?

[508] Yeah.

[509] Christian Bale's a pretty fucking good Batman too.

[510] Brilliant.

[511] He was brilliant.

[512] those two guys that that guy's willing to do things that most people are not willing to do like he's willing to like almost die of starvation that's so they have a career yeah it's just like if you watch that machinist which is not the best movie but what's interesting about the movie is just christian bail the fact that he's basically a skeleton yeah he ate like a can of tuna i know i know they're crazy they're crazy they're crazy and then like six months later he was batman yeah i know jacked i know you have to be crazy you have to be crazy you have to be You have to be crazy to be good.

[513] Jack Nicholson is my good friend and he's crazy as a loon.

[514] It has to be.

[515] But, and a brilliant guy.

[516] And thank God he kind of retired like 10 years ago.

[517] Watch Chinatown.

[518] Yeah, I know.

[519] I do.

[520] I love.

[521] Fucking amazing.

[522] I know.

[523] Like that guy, of course he's crazy.

[524] How else could it be that good?

[525] You can't.

[526] I'm standing on a corner, La Ciena in Santa Monica.

[527] And with my wife at the time, Leslie Ann Warren, she's pregnant with my son.

[528] This goes back 50 years ago, maybe whatever it was.

[529] was four guys pulled by in the car and they go Cinderella sucks and they flip it off now I'm from the valley so I said just wait she played Cinderella on television that was her thing so I said wait here I jumped in my car and I chased these guys down the scene I caught him at a signal I came up next one I was about the head of me he said no no no I'm in her acting class men we're all actors that was a joke whatever it is many years later I do uh witches of Eastwick and we're going to meet Jack Nicholson and as I walk in he looks to me and says hey Cinderella sucks it was him it was him yes that's hilarious holy shit yes yes yes yes oh my god that's hilarious yeah no I've got I've got you almost beat up Jack Nicholson yeah no but I mean it was hilarious that it's him all those years later yeah I was defending what I thought was my that's incredible lady how fucking good is he in the shining yeah no he's I watched that again recently too.

[530] He's a...

[531] He's a genius.

[532] Yeah, he's a genius.

[533] There's a few of those guys that, like, they...

[534] Have you ever seen the video?

[535] I'm sure you have.

[536] There's a video of him warming up for his scene where he goes through the bathroom door with the hatchet.

[537] Yeah, I saw it, yeah.

[538] And he's just, like, jumping around the room and getting so fired up.

[539] I'm like, God, damn.

[540] He never knew how to fight, but he's a tough guy.

[541] Yeah, well...

[542] He'll fight if he has to.

[543] He was an extraordinary...

[544] He's got big, strong legs.

[545] There's people that just, like, captivate a story.

[546] And so, like, when you're, like, when you're like, like, casting, and you're like putting together a film and you've got a big film that's very important to you.

[547] How do you know who the right guy is?

[548] Like, do you just go on instant?

[549] How do you know who the good fighters are?

[550] They speak to you?

[551] They speak to me. In other words, I knew that Brad and Angelina together and the right thing would be amazing.

[552] Right.

[553] And it's a love story fell apart.

[554] So I'm going to get Brad again and I'm going to try to get Margot Ravi or somebody like that.

[555] But if somebody, if I get it for a guy, I want to work with them.

[556] If a girl gives it to me, I want to work with her.

[557] They speak to me. Yeah.

[558] So for you, it's just about how you communicate with them.

[559] Yeah, and when they're energies.

[560] What they've done.

[561] Victor Belford, when I saw him the first time roll with a couple of, like three guys in a row.

[562] And when Catherine Zetta Jones went, ooh, amazing, his balls were hanging.

[563] You know, they were those old tight things.

[564] He's ripped like shit.

[565] I come in like, you know, I'm doing my sit -ups and stuff, you know.

[566] So, no, it's just like, I have.

[567] I had, have a gift of instinct you know i mean look i've been following you from the beginning man of all the people in the whole world whether it matters you're the only one that i wanted to talk to because i figured you're the only one we get what i am i couldn't talk fights with anybody and i really love it more than anything well i appreciate that very much and it's an honor it's an honor to have you on really is yes so man so i'd love to come back another time sometime maybe you can stay on now oh good okay great great great great great great so listen so i'm going to tell you something that's not supposed to be.

[568] I shouldn't say this.

[569] Don't.

[570] Don't.

[571] Don't get yourself in trouble.

[572] Okay.

[573] I don't want to get trouble.

[574] I think you already got into a little trouble.

[575] I did already.

[576] I love that.

[577] I love that you're you, though.

[578] You know what I'm saying?

[579] But I love that I love that.

[580] That's the hardest thing that people have.

[581] I don't know how to be anything else.

[582] So many people, they get stuck in a job where they can't be themselves.

[583] My sister died yesterday.

[584] What?

[585] Yeah.

[586] And I found out at at three o 'clock in the afternoon.

[587] And it really shook me up because she has five kids.

[588] She was 58.

[589] she had been having a hard time but she just had a fall and thing and a blood clot and this and that in her house so you know I didn't want to cancel this because this is more important to me I'll be there tomorrow I'll help take care of the business she has a husband she has a husband but these things happen and I told you when that happened with my dad it hardened me it hardened me and not until I met Julia did she really open my heart And then came craziness, drugs, because my heart was open.

[590] I was feeling good and bad things.

[591] Once you open that door, man, a lot of shit comes out.

[592] And that door can be opened by your children, by your wife, or whoever.

[593] Yeah.

[594] But not everything comes out good.

[595] So you realized before that that you were kind of protecting who you were?

[596] Totally.

[597] I was numb.

[598] I was dating 20 women at a time.

[599] My plane pick them up in Paris and bring them here and do.

[600] jacuzzi and this and covers a magazine that was like a matter so you were distracting yourself totally totally yeah till i met this woman therapist uh dr bita and i just sat on her couch and we both cried she held me for an hour and we i began to unravel the mystery have you done much psychedelic drugs uh early on early on yeah psilocybin how long early on not like today probably 30 years ago how come you haven't done it more recently Because anxiety scares me, and I'm afraid if I lose control, what's going to happen?

[601] You know, the way to get over that is to do it slowly, like a microdose.

[602] That's what my girl wants to do.

[603] She's, that's microdose.

[604] I think it would be good for everybody.

[605] It's, you know, it's really good for soldiers, for soldiers who come back with PTSD.

[606] Yeah, that's me. Yeah.

[607] I'm a soldier.

[608] I came back with PTSD.

[609] Yeah.

[610] Went to juvie, my early beginning, my stepfather beat my mother up every night.

[611] One day I got a two -by -four and broke both his legs.

[612] That's how I got to juvie.

[613] That's 100 % the same kind of thing.

[614] Yeah, I used to watch it for a year.

[615] Blood, blood, yeah.

[616] Yeah, that's real PTSD.

[617] And he would drink, you know.

[618] And that affects kids sometimes in a way that they don't even realize until they're adults.

[619] When I would fight, Joe, I didn't feel the punches ever.

[620] I went right through everybody.

[621] I never lost a fight.

[622] And I was a gymnast on the bar.

[623] You never lost a fight?

[624] Never.

[625] Now, a lot of reasons.

[626] I wasn't a professional fighter, and I could choose where I got.

[627] It was the only reason.

[628] So you just made good choices.

[629] I made good choices.

[630] I made good choices.

[631] Absolutely.

[632] Could I have lost a lot of them?

[633] Yes, I started training.

[634] This fellow took a liking to me years ago.

[635] His name was Art Aragon.

[636] And he's a Spanish fighter.

[637] It's a great name.

[638] Yeah, he's a Spanish fighter.

[639] He had razor blades for hands.

[640] And he, early on, taught me how to box.

[641] So I had a mixture of lots of things.

[642] And Bob Otto, we were going to talk about Bob Otto.

[643] My grandfather, who worked for the May Company, was a big apartment store, the Italians.

[644] He ran the alterations department, and he had a lot of people working for him.

[645] And so in the valley, he had a couple acres, and he had a house, and one of the houses, his gardener lives on.

[646] His gardener was Bob Otto, the early teachers of the Gracie's dad.

[647] And he started, the first thing he never did was choke me out with my own jacket.

[648] What was Bob Otto's style?

[649] I don't know, jujitsu.

[650] So when you say early teacher of the Gracie's dad, what do you mean?

[651] In other words, he trained with them?

[652] He, they, when I met them and I brought it up, they acknowledged him and his dad had known him.

[653] Under what degree?

[654] Oh, so they trained together.

[655] They may have, or their reputation me because Otto was, she had two schools, 500 kids, I mean, had a big operation.

[656] Right.

[657] So I learned early because I, the way I was going to Van Nuys, and Van Nuys Junior High School in those days, was.

[658] all Hispanic.

[659] A lot of fighting.

[660] You know who's a super legit martial artist and an actor is Chuck Norris?

[661] I trained with him for four years.

[662] Did you really?

[663] Yeah, I've been a terrible heart.

[664] No kidding.

[665] With my son, yeah.

[666] What years were this?

[667] I don't know.

[668] A long time ago.

[669] Wow.

[670] Yeah, yeah.

[671] Chuck Norris was a legit karate champion.

[672] Yep, incredible kicks.

[673] And then recognized that he needed to learn jujitsu went to the Machadoes and got his black belt in jujitsu.

[674] He's legit.

[675] He's legit.

[676] 100 % above board.

[677] He brought in the Machadoes to all of his Chuck Norris Academies.

[678] They all taught them.

[679] They were all like humbled.

[680] They realized like, oh my God, I'm so vulnerable.

[681] All these guys back in that day, like in the Gracian action series, all these guys thought they were killers.

[682] They were so vulnerable.

[683] They had no idea.

[684] I understand.

[685] I was there.

[686] It was amazing.

[687] Watching those guys do four or five fights tonight.

[688] Yeah.

[689] Incredible.

[690] And that crazy man came in with the cross.

[691] Kimo.

[692] And ponytail.

[693] Yeah.

[694] Hoist was grabbing him by the ponytail and punched him in the face.

[695] I know.

[696] I loved it, man. Yeah, it was incredible.

[697] I loved it.

[698] I loved it.

[699] It was a, that was like a four, we talked about it the other day.

[700] It was like a four -minute something fight.

[701] How about that Oriano guy and the firemen holding each other, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

[702] Oh, yeah, Takayama and Don Fry.

[703] Don Fredator Fry.

[704] If he could move.

[705] He was one of the toughest men that's ever lived.

[706] Wow.

[707] That guy was a fucking monster.

[708] Amazing, man. He's all banged up now because of all his surgeries.

[709] Yeah.

[710] He did some pro wrestling, too, which is not so good on that.

[711] back either.

[712] You know, Don Frye was a beast.

[713] Yeah, I've had a lot of, my back has been a problem too.

[714] Yeah, everybody trains.

[715] Yeah, well, you can't.

[716] Well, you'll see when you get old.

[717] I'm old.

[718] Yeah, you're a baby.

[719] I'm 55.

[720] Yeah, you're a baby.

[721] Oh, nice.

[722] I'm 22 years old.

[723] Fuck you.

[724] You're a baby.

[725] You look like a teenager, man. Yeah, like a teenager.

[726] Look at your life.

[727] Like a little kid.

[728] Yeah, basically childlike.

[729] You smoked a joint and you made your life work.

[730] It's very childlike in that regard.

[731] No, inspirational.

[732] Oh, thank you.

[733] Because it's exploring the things that you really dig and like.

[734] And it's inspirational.

[735] A lot of cool people in here.

[736] I love everybody.

[737] Well, I'm very fortunate.

[738] I'm very fortunate that I can have conversations like this with you.

[739] Thanks, thanks, man. It means a lot to me. It's a cool thing.

[740] It's a cool thing to be able to do.

[741] And I'm glad you chose this.

[742] Thank you.

[743] As I wanted.

[744] I'm honored.

[745] I said to Dana.

[746] I said, he's the only one who gets me. Otherwise, no point.

[747] What's the point?

[748] Yeah.

[749] Well, when Dana contacted me, he's like, I hate fucking doing this.

[750] Yeah, I know.

[751] Because he doesn't do it with most of times people.

[752] No, I know, I know.

[753] With you, I went, yeah, fuck yeah, let's go.

[754] Let's go.

[755] Well, I'll tell you a story that he won't tell you.

[756] Uh -oh.

[757] Don't tell me the whole world.

[758] If Dana won't tell me, don't tell the whole world.

[759] Yeah, I'll tell the world.

[760] Okay.

[761] So he, I called him up and I said, look, Dana, I said, I got an idea.

[762] Let me do a little special on the fighting girls of the UFC.

[763] He said, done.

[764] So I said, okay.

[765] So I put together a team.

[766] I started putting this thing together.

[767] I had these amazing girls hosting it.

[768] It was incredible.

[769] He calls me back almost when it's done.

[770] Actually, it was almost done.

[771] We were just done editing.

[772] He said, can't do it.

[773] They don't want any outside producers.

[774] And I'd already spent $60 ,000.

[775] So I went, that's cool, man. I love you.

[776] I said, I don't want to cause a riff.

[777] He said, you know, you said yes right away because you love me, not thinking that the new company has rules.

[778] And I'm kind of an outlaw in Hollywood, so I get it.

[779] And that was that.

[780] And he was a mensch.

[781] So when I called him, I said, look, I need a favor.

[782] I really want to do this before I die.

[783] I said, it's important to me to speak and then take a look at it and see what I look like because I don't know really.

[784] And he said, I'll talk to him.

[785] That was it.

[786] Well, I love Dana to death.

[787] So anytime Dana has something like that, I'm down for it.

[788] Yeah, that was really sweet.

[789] He's the best.

[790] Yeah, I love that guy.

[791] I do too.

[792] You know what I say in every way in?

[793] I said Dana White, when I want to introduce everybody, I say Dana White, without him, none of this would be possible.

[794] None of it.

[795] None of it.

[796] Yeah, he's, you've got to realize, like, the success that it has now, a lot of it is that guy's driving force.

[797] Heartbeat.

[798] He's a fucking maniac.

[799] Heartbeat.

[800] Heartbeat.

[801] He lives for it.

[802] Your heartbeat.

[803] He lives for it.

[804] The wrestler guy, I love him, the heartbeat.

[805] Dana and I'll call him sometimes at, like, midnight.

[806] And we'll talk on the phone for, like, two hours.

[807] Just talk about fights.

[808] Yeah.

[809] Just talk about fights.

[810] Yeah.

[811] I can do that, too.

[812] Not as good as you guys, but you see.

[813] I do know a little bit, you know.

[814] Yeah, well, we've seen them all.

[815] Yeah, I know, I know.

[816] It's so crazy.

[817] I know, I know.

[818] I've probably seen like a thousand fights plus up close.

[819] Yeah, yeah, no, no, yeah.

[820] You know, the fella, the Brazilian kid that is so damn good looking, did he do not?

[821] Paulo Costa?

[822] Yeah, did he not, he looked like he was doing fine.

[823] He didn't use all of the body shots he could have.

[824] Well, Luke Rockhold is a bad motherfucker.

[825] That's what I mean.

[826] That's what it is.

[827] It was a tough fight for him.

[828] It's a tough fight.

[829] If Luke Rockhold was in his prime, it would be a way tougher fight.

[830] If you fought, if he fought the Luke Rockhold that beat Chris Wybman is one of the greatest middleweights that's ever lived, he was a fucking machine.

[831] Yeah.

[832] But the reality of that kind of level of competition is you can only maintain it for so long.

[833] Yeah.

[834] Like every human body has an expiration date, you know, where you start getting too injured and too fucked up.

[835] And Luke has been dealing with a lot of that himself.

[836] He's just not totally healthy.

[837] He's got, he's banged up.

[838] So all these guys, when they get to that point, there's like this point where they're like, bha, where they're just firing on all cylinders.

[839] And that only lasts for like a few years.

[840] Yeah, no, I lived it.

[841] Yeah, I'm sure you did.

[842] Slightly differently, but yeah.

[843] No, but I've lived it three or four times.

[844] Yeah.

[845] How's so?

[846] Well, first time was in the fashion business.

[847] That's not the same as fighting.

[848] Well, no, career, career, career, career, career.

[849] Yes, yes, career.

[850] Career.

[851] Career, career.

[852] But I'm saying, like, with a fighter, they can't come back.

[853] But it is the same of fighting.

[854] Except I'm fighting 500 people to get it done.

[855] See, it is the same because I've used that analogy throughout my career knowing that I could kick the ass of anybody I was doing business with.

[856] It gave me an edge in the meeting, in my mind.

[857] In your mind.

[858] Yeah.

[859] Right.

[860] So now putting it all together, doing it together, sacrificing doing it, getting it out, having a movie be a hit.

[861] It's hard.

[862] I'm sure it's hard.

[863] It's not like fighting.

[864] The reason why it's not like fighting is because the fighter's body stops working and their mind wants to continue.

[865] Their body just can't do it anymore.

[866] In a funny way, it happens in my business, too.

[867] It happens, I think it parallels in all forms of life.

[868] If you're in the upper one -tenth of one percent, you do have a time when it's all over.

[869] I think that's with everything in life.

[870] It is.

[871] I think that is.

[872] And I think that's the cycle that's supposed to take place.

[873] And then new people come up.

[874] It is.

[875] It does.

[876] It's beautiful.

[877] And in a good culture, the new people salute the people that were there before them.

[878] 100%.

[879] Yes.

[880] Yes, I agree.

[881] It's mutually beneficial.

[882] And it's also beautiful.

[883] It's beautiful to see the art form, carry on, whatever you're doing.

[884] When I saw Top Gun and I called Brackhammer, and wherever he was, he called him back.

[885] Because I worked with him on Flash Dance.

[886] I hired him as my line producer.

[887] God damn, you did so many good movies.

[888] Thank you.

[889] Pull up his IMDB.

[890] It's crazy.

[891] It's wild to see.

[892] Just, I mean, just producing.

[893] How many did you produce?

[894] As far as producing executives, because in our case, executive proves the same thing.

[895] Because we own it.

[896] Right, right, right.

[897] We put everybody.

[898] It's like Joe, like they...

[899] Like, what's the overall number, though?

[900] Oh, I don't know.

[901] With everything, 80, 90s, something like that.

[902] And so many fucking hits.

[903] Yeah, yeah.

[904] So many hits.

[905] America Well of London, Caddyshack, the main event, Eyes of Laura Mars, that's a fucking classic.

[906] I haven't thought about that movie in a long time.

[907] Vision Quest, the greatest wrestling movie of all time.

[908] What was the legend of Billy Jean?

[909] It was a story about a young girl who took charge of her life, because her mother was being raped by her father and she went after these guys and she was the first female vigilante put a click on that I know I saw that I know I saw that but that was from 85 oh yeah yeah I remember this movie I loved her man she was a wonderful lady I remember this movie yeah all right go back to IMDB female vigilante you were in gambler with Madonna the color purple Wow.

[910] Clan of the Cave Bear, that was...

[911] Yeah, that girl is gorgeous.

[912] I forgot her name.

[913] God damn.

[914] Yeah, yeah.

[915] Yeah, there she is.

[916] Daryl Hannah.

[917] Daryl Hannah.

[918] I have a Daryl Hannah story.

[919] When I first moved to Hollywood, it was like 1994.

[920] I was at Cantor's Deli, and I was sitting table side to Daryl Hannah and a couple of her friends.

[921] And I couldn't fucking believe that it was...

[922] First of all, she's so beautiful, no makeup, just sitting there chilling.

[923] Right.

[924] And looked so normal.

[925] Just hanging, I'm like, that's Darrell fucking Hannah.

[926] And she's just sitting next to me at Cantors.

[927] And they were real friendly.

[928] Everybody was real friendly.

[929] Hey, what's up?

[930] How you doing?

[931] You know, she recognized that everybody was going to know who she was.

[932] But she was, like, so casual.

[933] Yeah.

[934] And they were playing some sort of a game, some sort of a trivia game.

[935] And she looked to me and I had the answer, just luckily.

[936] It was like some state.

[937] You know something?

[938] And I go, it's like Kentucky.

[939] And it was, whatever it was.

[940] I don't remember what the answer was.

[941] But like I was, and that was it.

[942] That was all of our interaction.

[943] but I was like she's so nice like so normal she is she's a person she is even though she's Darrell fucking Hannah it's one of the first people that I'd ever like sat next to yeah that was that famous so it was a little like weirded out by it yeah see I grew up with that because my uncles the Pagano's the Italian twins they did Marilyn Monroe they did all the movie stars so when I was a little kid I was in their beauty shop wow and I got married what was the first time you saw like a movie star how old oh three so it wasn't even weird to you no and then I I did it, their hair, see?

[944] Right.

[945] You know, on the magazine, clients come.

[946] They tell their friends.

[947] I was doing 30, 40 people a day.

[948] So how did you go from, was it Barbara Streisand?

[949] You went from hair to me?

[950] It was basically Barbara, yeah.

[951] I met her.

[952] I put the word out that I wanted to meet her, and I'd go anywhere, anytime, any place for free, and I knew the free would get her.

[953] John, are you a hustler?

[954] Yeah, baby I am.

[955] Motherfucker, every sense of the goddamn word, man. question what a crazy question to ask someone it's such a strange question i don't know is dana white a hustler are you a hustler okay so you hustle right yeah even when your leg hurts you hustle me too the only difference is that i had to deal with overwhelming anxiety which i have now pretty much got under control what start well that's another thing just in just just going into the fight because everything was like a fight to me right so you were constantly yeah so when i was a kid and we were van lised junior high school and one of the chicanos told me off we'd meet them in the back of the gym, 500 kids would show up and we'd go at it, I'd take them out, I'd wrestle them down, boom, rap, pop, it was it.

[956] Really?

[957] And it happened 30 times.

[958] People would challenge me, the kids would come, and I always had a sense of dramatic.

[959] You know, one time I knew I couldn't beat this kid.

[960] There was the bleachers.

[961] He was standing there.

[962] I went up on the bleachers, and I did a Superman punch.

[963] I dove off the bleachers and hit him like that and knocked them out, you know?

[964] Really?

[965] I went this way, that way, and he went out.

[966] Yeah.

[967] I didn't know it was a Superman punch.

[968] I used the bleachers as a launch.

[969] patch that's a creative maneuver yeah I'm creative guy I get it I never gotten any street fights like that yeah I avoided them all one time yeah I was smart but I was like I gonna get the fuck out here my dad died it was a lot of pain I didn't feel the punches I didn't feel nothing yeah well that shot right in my chest I didn't feel it you got shot on your chest yeah what caliber 22 oh so it stayed why did somebody shoot you yeah it was a gang fight and guy got a couple of guns and this guy shot the gun and the bullet hit me in the chest and then like many years later when I married Leslie and Warren who was a big Broadway star we went to the doctor and the guy took me in the room he said I said what he said you know you got a bullet in your chest I said don't tell anybody he was in the fatty part of the thing and it's still there right now you still have a bullet right now so if you go through an x -ray it just shows up yes is that good to have lead in your body the whole time they doctors have said it's okay it's in like a fatty part of my body yeah but isn't lead toxic Probably it probably should come out But do I want to be cut?

[970] You know when you get my age Yeah I know what you're saying I'm done How far in it How far did it go in Oh it's only like an inch in Yeah in this part I might dig it out myself In this part okay You got an operating room Behind this thing That's good Smoke another joint Now we'll be a surgeon I got this little bench made pocket knife We're good to go I'll take that fuck her out for you Yeah it's um I don't think it's good to have bled in your body no probably not but you know you get to a point like me where every day that's a good day i every day i'm grateful i hear you and i have to work on it yeah and i can't be around negativity well that's a good rule for everybody in life you're my age you can be when you're old when younger it's not so easy but for me i don't do it yeah it's not necessary i t all my people go to therapy all my people talk about their feelings whoa everybody i have works on themselves of the ways they can't be there because I'm a, somebody called me a shaman my once, but I see things in people, and if it's not good and I can't help, it makes me anxious.

[971] Well, you kind of are a shaman if you're leading people in a spiritual direction.

[972] And I try to get as many people.

[973] The problem with the word shaman is it comes with culty thinking.

[974] Yes.

[975] I try to help with money, with spirituality.

[976] I spend a lot of my day helping people, you know.

[977] Well, that's beautiful.

[978] That feels good, doesn't it?

[979] the best yeah it's nice Tyson is maybe one of the consistently smartest guy I've listened to it with all the guys on the thing he's not articulate he fumpers and schmumpers but sometimes he'll say some beautiful things man he's a thoughtful person he very and he knows a lot about history and pain yeah he knows a lot about pain for sure I saw the whole thing on the kings and queens and all that shit but more so he's developing his emotional intelligence that's what gives you a happy life you know i got to see uh two sides of tyson because i got to see mike when he was not fighting at all and he was just running that weed company and he came in we had the greatest time we just got high as fuck and laughed and joked around it was so much fun and he said he doesn't even work out and i said how come he goes i don't want to reignite my ego that's how i felt i was afraid to get back in the gym starting this thing and then i'm tough on people i lose my temper i get edgy what the fuck come on man yes that when he said that i went oh i feel the same way he said something when he was leading up to that fight with roy jones junior the the gods of war have reignited his ego yes i'm sure but if he can find him he's gonna walk through him yeah well in his prime man he was like no one ever before who mike tyson yes in his prime he was like no one ever before but he still hits damn oh my god he does see how he torques his body oh my god he was training with Hafeel Cordero, who was one of the original shoot -to -box instructors from the old like the legendary gym in Brazil.

[980] So Hafeo Cordero came over and now he's running King's M .MA.

[981] And Tyson went to him to train.

[982] So Tyson was holding, it was hitting Mitz with Hafeel Cordero.

[983] It was a fucking phenomenal watching him rip -off combinations of 55 years old.

[984] I know.

[985] I'm like, Jesus.

[986] Amazing.

[987] Oh my God, still.

[988] You have the same body, so do I. I fucking definitely don't.

[989] No, no, in the sense of compact and strong, not long and relatively and lean, you know what I mean?

[990] I prefer short and thick.

[991] But what he is is, he's a, like, he was a phenomenal combination of, like, a kid who came from a horrible background to getting adopted by this guy.

[992] He was a genius boxing instructor and having incredible work ethic and having incredible genetics and having incredible drive.

[993] You know, he was 190 pounds when he was 13.

[994] years old.

[995] Yeah, amazing.

[996] Built like a fucking tank.

[997] And Teddy Atlas used to bring him to these smokers.

[998] And he said he's 13, like, get the fuck out of here.

[999] He's 16.

[1000] They're like, okay, he's 16.

[1001] So he'd have to fight 16 year olds.

[1002] Because nobody believed he was 13.

[1003] You know, the thing about Mike is that what beat everybody was his brain.

[1004] Mike was very smart.

[1005] Oh, he's very intense.

[1006] Yeah, but he's smart.

[1007] He knew what to take from Gus.

[1008] Yes.

[1009] He knew how to be open to it.

[1010] He saw the Gus would yeah, he's smart.

[1011] Well, Cuss was hypnotist that's the other thing he hypnotized Mike when he was very very young yeah yeah and he trained him to think of nothing but the task like you don't even exist it's just the task the task exists don't think about yourself i know that's how i am he was fucking phenomenal yeah you have to be that way my partner peter gover god love of soul yes he's like that too everywhere we go we'd fly around he'd be he'd have 40 pages of notes and i had no notes because i remember everything don't you think that like for anything you want to do in life like if you really want to be at the top of your craft.

[1012] You kind of have to be obsessed like that.

[1013] Yes, you have to be.

[1014] You have to be driven.

[1015] You have to want to be better.

[1016] You have to almost feel like you're going to die if you aren't.

[1017] That's where it mirrors itself and like everything in life.

[1018] No matter what you're doing.

[1019] If there's a thing that you find that you're obsessed with, I know what that thing is.

[1020] Whether it's painting, making music, whatever that thing is.

[1021] If you find that thing that you are obsessed with, that is the thing that's going to bring you the most joy.

[1022] But you've got to give it everything you have.

[1023] 100%.

[1024] Yeah.

[1025] That's what I did as a hairdresser.

[1026] when I was the hairdresser.

[1027] That was my thing, man. I'd go to Paris, the collections, the girls.

[1028] I was like, oh, my God, I'm in heaven.

[1029] But I loved doing hair.

[1030] How did you get into hairdressing?

[1031] When I got out of juvie, my mother, the judge said, you have to put him somewhere, so she put me in beauty school.

[1032] And I had shot five guys.

[1033] You shot five guys?

[1034] Yeah, yeah.

[1035] How'd you shoot them?

[1036] Yeah.

[1037] It was an accident.

[1038] I never said this before.

[1039] Five people back.

[1040] accident?

[1041] No, it was a gang fight.

[1042] It was a fight in San Fernando and it was like 30 guys and has a statute of limitations passed on this or should we edit this out?

[1043] Yes, yes.

[1044] You're out to shoot people.

[1045] And it was somebody else's everybody in wood shop was making a weapon.

[1046] I remember that from high school.

[1047] Yeah.

[1048] I used to make Nunchucks instead of they were table legs.

[1049] Yes, yes, exactly.

[1050] Yeah, that's what happened.

[1051] And these this guy came with these guns and these guys was good and I bang bang and this guy was it was and then I was like oh my God what the fuck that was the changing of my life that and when I was in Juvie a guy that I met from Boys Town which was a in the middle of the country a place where a lot of fucked up kids would go he came from Boys Town he ran away he went to Juvie and they they weren't supposed to they weren't supposed to have things and they covered it up but he tried to get away and they shot him on the fence right in front of of me and 30 other guys.

[1052] And he was, fuck you.

[1053] I said, man, you're going to get killed.

[1054] You got to shut your fucking mouth.

[1055] You've got to take it cool.

[1056] If you're going to get out of here, you've got to work your way out.

[1057] There's no escaping us.

[1058] Strong, big, blondes -haired guy, farmer boy.

[1059] Years ago, and then I'm getting tired, I got to go.

[1060] But years ago, when I was with Leslie and Warren, I had a beauty shop.

[1061] and it was on the corner of Rodeo in Brighton Way.

[1062] It was called the John Peter Salon.

[1063] O .J. would come hunt the girls.

[1064] Everybody's hunt the girls because I'd have like 40 or 50 beautiful girls getting their hair done all day long.

[1065] This guy comes in, my mother happened to be working at the desk, and he comes in in big overalls, big tall guy, and he says, I'm here to see Cinderella, you know, Leslie Ann Warren, and I came out and I said I'm her husband and he was like a fan of Mission Impossible whatever it was I don't remember at the time next thing I know we went home that night and he had been there in the colony he had come to the colony so I sent out a bunch of my guys because a lot of the hairdress that I had were guys like you there were tough kids that were smart and they and they needed a chance they went to beauty school and they got out and women were lined up around the block around sounds like a movie it is my life is like a crazy that does sound like a movie right that does sound like a movie a bunch of tough guy hairdressers out there protecting you.

[1066] Right out in front with all the motorcycles all lined up.

[1067] Wow.

[1068] So...

[1069] Tough guy hairdressers on motorcycles.

[1070] Yes.

[1071] That's a movie.

[1072] And when the thing was over, the L .A. Times said they don't make hairdressers like they used to because the guy Kate was coming into the house.

[1073] He had a little pistol on his hand like this.

[1074] It was walking in.

[1075] I had a mezzanine.

[1076] I looked at him.

[1077] I was naked.

[1078] I jumped on the mezzanine, off the mezzanine, jumped on him.

[1079] He went through the...

[1080] You jumped on him with his pistol?

[1081] Oh, yeah.

[1082] I don't right on time.

[1083] I didn't see it until I was in the air.

[1084] Oh, Jesus.

[1085] And he was like this, and it was dark, and it was backlit.

[1086] And you're naked?

[1087] And I was naked.

[1088] Yeah, I just woke up.

[1089] I could hear him walking around.

[1090] I wasn't thinking.

[1091] I just moved.

[1092] That's a surprise.

[1093] Naked dude jumps on you from a mezzanine.

[1094] And he ended up with 160 stitches because he came to rob.

[1095] He came to kidnap her.

[1096] Jesus Christ.

[1097] So we fought out into the colony.

[1098] naked and him and a farmer outfit yeah good thing I didn't get a heart on right oh my god good thing you'd have questions it's a true story I believe it you'd look it up in the LA times that's a wild story man how have you had so many stories well because I grew up John Wayne Elvis you know I I'm a living superhero even though I don't ever do anything but in my mind I am right right because those narratives are like stuck in your head that's why I like Victor that's why I like when I saw John Jones I would like oh fuck I love him man I love him yeah he loved conquerors yeah and and the wrestler guy didn't like at the beginning now I'm madly in love of them which guy you know that beat everybody kind of chubby your commentator fellow you know oh oh DC yeah Daniel Cormier amazing yeah oh he's incredible I love him love him you didn't like him at first but didn't like him he didn't fit my the view of what I thought he was supposed to look like you know what I mean and but I didn't like him but not as much as John Jones.

[1099] Just his physique?

[1100] Yeah.

[1101] Really?

[1102] Yeah, and just that he was more of a, he would more of, yes, it's just, I like John Jones, he was my hero.

[1103] See, one of the greatest of all time is Fadour and Milanenko.

[1104] And Fadour had the most unimposing physique.

[1105] I mean, he looked strong, but he, like, had like a...

[1106] The Russian.

[1107] Yeah, the Russian.

[1108] He had, like, a little bit of a belly, and he was always, like, calm and relaxed, and he would fuck everyone up.

[1109] Well, I always...

[1110] He would fuck everyone up in his prime.

[1111] I always had good hands.

[1112] Yeah?

[1113] Big, strong hands, yeah.

[1114] And, you know, I'm almost 80s, so they shrunk, you know?

[1115] But, yeah, I knocked a lot of people out, yeah.

[1116] When you look like Daniel Cormier, like, he reminded me in a lot of ways of, like, Fador's...

[1117] Totally, absolutely.

[1118] They don't have low body fat, but to don't get twisted.

[1119] Yeah.

[1120] Well, the guy's a phenomenal athlete.

[1121] Yeah, I know.

[1122] Both of them, D .C. and Fador.

[1123] Fadour was a phenomenal athlete.

[1124] He was so good.

[1125] You never saw him fight?

[1126] I did, of course.

[1127] Of course.

[1128] Yeah, okay.

[1129] Many times.

[1130] That was one of the biggest regrets that they never got him to the UFC.

[1131] One of the great fights that I saw was the black Keldomen, whatever, the black guy with blonde hair and that crazy guy from Europe.

[1132] Kevin Randleman and Merko Kroko?

[1133] No. The other one.

[1134] Kevin Randleman and the guy, my son said he was in a bar and saw him knock out about 10 guys.

[1135] boss rootin oh boss rudin yes was that guy tough from holland oh my god boss was a machine i saw him fights he was the first like intelligent aggressive attacker that was like a high level striker and built a fight oh my god you know he fought tiosho kosaka and his neck was so fucked up that he couldn't even wrestle he couldn't do any wrestling for that fight like he had like some serious disc problems in his neck and he went of actually getting his neck fused, like, later on in his life.

[1136] Amazing.

[1137] But even when he was competing at the highest level, his neck was already fucked up.

[1138] He was a fucking monster.

[1139] And his prime, Boss Routon was a fucking monster.

[1140] My son was training with him.

[1141] He was one of the only guys that won off of his back.

[1142] When he beat Randman, Randman took him down, he was just smashing him off of his back.

[1143] I saw him.

[1144] He was very effective.

[1145] Bang, bang, bang, I saw it, yeah.

[1146] It was very effective.

[1147] Well, you can't just assume that just because you're on top, if you're getting fucked up while you're on top, you're losing the fight it's also called the guard isn't it yep yeah and brandleman was an elite wrestler but boss rudin had like a very effective way of attacking off his back he was so powerful he did yeah yeah he was a machine yeah really was you know if you see like an alligator go after its prey they go like that they don't go like that right they move back and boom boom and jive yeah yeah moving around a lot okay man John Peters you're the fucking man yeah thank you sir appreciate you very much i got some great stories one day i'll tell you again tell me more let's keep going no no i can't do anymore i'm like i'm tired already you wore me out can you see it i'm vibrating in the chair you're great you look great man look great thank you very much the guy that i watched the other day because i studied all your tapes for last week i must seen you studied by every single tape you did almost oh boy and all your clients and people and stuff yes i wanted to learn i wanted to learn and what i learned was all i can be is honest and whatever that is it is and uh so um what was i going to say I can't remember exactly, but you were yourself.

[1148] That's the goal to be yourself.

[1149] Yeah, that's it.

[1150] That's it.

[1151] That's it.

[1152] That's it.

[1153] And this is, you know, I relate to these kids.

[1154] I love these kids.

[1155] I'm going to, I've been fortunate enough to make a ton of money.

[1156] And I buy and sell companies for hundreds of millions of dollars.

[1157] And I've been, like I said, lucky.

[1158] And I'm going to really start to now put some money to work in a way that's going to help a lot of people.

[1159] Beautiful.

[1160] Because I love, there's nothing to.

[1161] Tyson, he said everything.

[1162] I like winning men.

[1163] but I love giving.

[1164] Because he's a sensitive soul.

[1165] Yes.

[1166] If you think he's anything but frightened to death about this failure, you're wrong.

[1167] He's not excited about it.

[1168] He's frightened the fucking death of it.

[1169] And in that, and as he gets better, he's building his confidence little by little, but he won't really feel good until he absolutely explodes on that guy.

[1170] That'll be the climax of his thing.

[1171] And the real question is, will he be able to wait him out?

[1172] Because that guy's going to be dancing and doing and dancing and doing, and Tyson's going to have a hard time navigating that.

[1173] It'll have to cut off the ring and it's not going to be an easy fight because otherwise if they fought fought, my God, I'm frightened for the other guy Tyson would break in the math.

[1174] What fight are you talking about?

[1175] Tyson and a fight, maybe it already happened.

[1176] I don't know.

[1177] Which fight?

[1178] The boxer?

[1179] Roy Jones Jr.?

[1180] Yeah.

[1181] Oh, yeah, that already happened.

[1182] Oh, it did?

[1183] Yeah, it happened like a year ago.

[1184] Oh, how did it?

[1185] What happened?

[1186] It looked like, if I'm being honest, it looked like they really like each other and they were trying not to knock.

[1187] each other out but they put on a boxing exhibition that's what it looked like yeah that's what it looked like like there wasn't a lot of head shots you know they moved around a lot and mike tyson hit him with some ferocious body punches and roy jones junior is tough as fuck he is those are hard shots those are hard shots that's what i was wondering about yeah and uh you know roy he's had knee problems so it was hard for him to train properly like you see him running it's kind of painful to watch him run that's me too and roy's knees and his footwork and his movement was a giant part of his success early in his career.

[1188] I mean, he was so fleet of foot.

[1189] I didn't see the date on the tape, sorry.

[1190] Oh, my God.

[1191] If you watched the Roy Jones, you saw Roy Jones Jr. in his prime.

[1192] Every fight.

[1193] Yeah, he was phenomenal, but that sort of style relies so much on speed and movement.

[1194] I was, I introduced Sugar Ray to UFC because he said, Spar with me and I kicked him in the knee.

[1195] Sugar Ray Leonard?

[1196] Yeah.

[1197] Really?

[1198] Yeah.

[1199] I kicked him in the knees.

[1200] What the fuck?

[1201] I said it's called M &A.

[1202] I want you to take a look at it.

[1203] It's called MNA?

[1204] Well, no, it was called.

[1205] No, it was called.

[1206] I think that's a drug.

[1207] Ultimate fighting championships.

[1208] Remember with the orange thing and everything?

[1209] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[1210] I had all those shirts and all that stuff.

[1211] You know, I went around everywhere.

[1212] My arms were big, you know.

[1213] You were doing leg kicks?

[1214] Oh, I've been doing leg kits since a little kid.

[1215] Wow.

[1216] But I would do leg kits.

[1217] That's what I want to tell you about Don Simpson's story, is that we had an argument.

[1218] I chose him off, meet me in the Beverly Hills Park.

[1219] The first thing I did is put on my big boots because I was going to come up and kick the fuck out of him before I even put my hands on him.

[1220] He didn't show up.

[1221] He was afraid.

[1222] But I was serious because he was taking snaps at me. And I said, why don't we just fight?

[1223] And then it'll be done.

[1224] He didn't want you.

[1225] So you, how did you know Sugar Ray?

[1226] Through everybody I knew.

[1227] This guy, Jeff Wall, just passed away.

[1228] I've been kind of looking after his daughter.

[1229] He was a great guy.

[1230] He managed all these guys.

[1231] And I got friendly with everybody.

[1232] And you would spar with him?

[1233] You spar with him?

[1234] You spar with Sugar Ray Leonard?

[1235] Oh, yeah.

[1236] But not spars.

[1237] Just play, play spa, play spa.

[1238] Yeah.

[1239] Because, like, that was back when Sugar Ray was still Sugar Ray.

[1240] It was, he was not fighting then.

[1241] But how old was he?

[1242] Well, I don't know, but he was, I met him socially, so we didn't really do.

[1243] The sparring we did was in the living room of somebody's house.

[1244] It wasn't in the gym.

[1245] Yeah, he was fucking around.

[1246] Sugar Ray still works out all the time.

[1247] Yeah, he posts stuff on his Instagram, he still gets after it.

[1248] That's how he stays young.

[1249] Yeah, it's nice.

[1250] It's nice to see.

[1251] And he's got a great wife, and he's got, he's a guy of very, everybody for the most part that has really done it all got a great family got a great wife i think he looks like he's made some money he was amazing champion he's had a great life oh he was the elite of the elite when he was in his prime i flew in from paris to see him fight hernes did you really yeah wow yeah so the first fight fucking amen wow i was in paris with michael jackson when he did his first thing when he did thriller and all those things and there was riots in the streets and the that he was when he started doing his shit man michael and you were oh it was amazing wow john peters you've had a hell of a life yeah man thank you so of you and i'm from i really i'd love to come back at some point yes because then i can think about what i didn't tell you yeah yeah yeah tell me some other stories fuck yeah come back thank you brother appreciate you very much all right bye brother