Jeremy Renner

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[12] Okay, sexy, talented actor today, Jeremy Renner.

[13] Oh, wow.

[14] Jeremy, man, mixed messages, Jeremy Renner.

[15] I don't know if anyone who listens to the show is old enough to have seen the movie Shampoo, but it starred Warren Beatty, and he was this handsome, charming hairstylist in Beverly Hills, and he was busy because of it.

[16] Yeah.

[17] Well, little did we know, Jeremy Renner has kind of a similar background.

[18] basically lived that life.

[19] Oh, my God.

[20] It's the best story of an actor, I think we've heard.

[21] He was really awesome.

[22] He was so unexpected.

[23] I had an expectation because that was 2021.

[24] Right.

[25] I don't have expectations.

[26] And yet you didn't resent him for the unmet expectation.

[27] No, I was thrilled.

[28] I thought he was going to be like very masculine and very like kind of macho in a negative way.

[29] That's kind of the one loophole with expectations or resentment swaying habit.

[30] Because if you have a bad expectation about somebody, or even a okay expectation.

[31] And then they exceed it.

[32] Yeah, you're right.

[33] Well, now we like it.

[34] Shoot, am I bringing back expectations?

[35] Yeah, we got to get off of this.

[36] It's 2022 for over expectations.

[37] Anyway, he exceeds all of them and he's awesome.

[38] Yes, and of course he was in the Hurt Locker, arrival, the town, the Avengers.

[39] He is Hawkeye, and he has a kick -ass new show called Mayor of Kingston, which appropriately is set in Michigan, which is ding, ding, ding, ding.

[40] Please enjoy Jeremy.

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[45] When my father was dying, I was there for about four months.

[46] I would fly back to Detroit every week.

[47] Do chemo the whole nine yards.

[48] And at that point, I had been supporting them for maybe five.

[49] years trying no resentment but he became unable to pay his bill so i got the actual physical bills right yeah and i was like oh his insurance is 200 less than he told me oh is rents 400 less than he told me oh oh oh oh oh oh like he's been robbing me taking on his short charge yes yeah what do they call that when you buy concert tickets it's like uh oh yeah like from a scalper or whatever or just like the transaction fee exactly there's a lot of transaction fees you know that uh It's not about the $200 or the extra $400 or whatever it is.

[50] It's about the deception of it, right?

[51] And especially deception from somebody that you love and trust.

[52] That's a real, real deep burn, I think, for anybody.

[53] And money is always a weird thing anyway, but it's a real obvious thing when you can be like, wow, you're really trying to deceive me. And it hurts my feelings.

[54] It doesn't hurt my bank account as much as like it hurts my feelings.

[55] It can change a dynamic of how you have that person in your life emotionally.

[56] Yeah, yeah.

[57] How much you want to let them in.

[58] It's like, all right, I'm going to hold them at an arm's length and I have to keep you at a distance.

[59] Obviously, you know, I know a lot about that as well.

[60] And really, it's not people, it's behavior.

[61] Yeah.

[62] It's all about behavior, not about the actual person.

[63] Right.

[64] It's more like a boundary for you.

[65] Yeah.

[66] It's like, I got to hold myself accountable.

[67] I'm like, I'm not going to accept that kind of behavior in my life.

[68] Right, right.

[69] You came from a similar background as myself.

[70] Yeah, I grew up in Modesto, California.

[71] What happens in Modesto?

[72] A whole lot of nothing.

[73] It's a great place to grow up.

[74] There's a lot of almond orchards.

[75] I think like 90, percent of the almonds in America come from the Central Valley.

[76] But your dad, he was a manager.

[77] Yeah, my dad was a manager in a bowling center.

[78] Yeah.

[79] My parents met.

[80] My grandma worked, my grandfather worked.

[81] There's a whole, like, sort of family affair.

[82] But you didn't have, like, a GT bike or a...

[83] No, heck no. Right?

[84] I knew what I'm getting at.

[85] Yes, exactly.

[86] Like the mongoose and all that sort of the guy.

[87] Yeah, yeah.

[88] You didn't have the sweet dirt bike.

[89] No, no, no, I never got the, like the green machine or the big wheel.

[90] Yeah.

[91] Yeah.

[92] Okay, the green machine for people who don't know this.

[93] What a great reference.

[94] So your standard big wheel.

[95] You turn with the single wheel up front.

[96] It's like a trike, yeah, plastic trite.

[97] But the green machine had these levers, and you fucking turn the back, rear steer.

[98] Wow.

[99] That was a pricey machine, the green machine.

[100] That's appropriately titled the green machine.

[101] Yeah, yeah, yeah, but never had any of that kind of stuff.

[102] I wouldn't say we're poor.

[103] I mean, I always got love and a lot of presents at Christmas.

[104] And that Kmart, like, was my tennis shoes and, you know, tracks.

[105] And, you know, I wasn't getting the Swiss and any of that stuff.

[106] No, no, no, no. No, thank you.

[107] Yeah.

[108] Well, so then I imagine you have the similar...

[109] I just fucking strangleholded money.

[110] I mean, like, oh, my God, this is the last check I'm going to get.

[111] I got to fucking nurture this bottle of money obsessively.

[112] Yeah.

[113] I think I did that with things more than I did with money because I worked so hard to get, like, this computer or this thing that could find the afford...

[114] By the way, I didn't get my first new car until I was, like, 42.

[115] Yeah, yeah.

[116] Yeah, yeah.

[117] Yeah, yeah.

[118] So when I got something that is a tangible thing that I really wanted to protect, since I was a kid in the paper route, up to even now, I always invested it into something else that was going to make more money.

[119] Because ultimately, what do I really want to have?

[120] I didn't want a nice pair of shoes or a thing.

[121] I didn't need any of that brand name stuff, right?

[122] I'm fine with T -shirts, jeans, and it's outer coat, right?

[123] So I always invested in real estate.

[124] And I never, ever bought anything in my life, especially as an adult that was just for fun.

[125] Yeah.

[126] Until, you know, we started talking about, like, you know, I saw the razors and all that sort of stuff.

[127] That's the only thing that I bought, And I didn't do that until five, six years ago.

[128] Yeah.

[129] And then I went nuts and had like 10 of them.

[130] Yeah, yeah, of course, of course.

[131] But also, it's like, you know, I have a lot of family and friends, you know, for them all right on.

[132] And I said, I deserve it.

[133] I absolutely deserve this thing.

[134] So I actually went and bought something that was just for fun.

[135] It's one thing to buy, like, a $400 ,000 Bentley that's going to be worth 80 grand.

[136] But a fucking razor, you're literally, you've given yourself keys to every terrain in the world.

[137] Like, you can look at a mountain and go like, adventure.

[138] They want to take a peek up there.

[139] Exactly.

[140] Do you go to the sand dunes?

[141] Sand dunes I haven't really done because I live in like a mountainous community up in Lake Tahoe They have the sand dunes there But that's a different sort of tire And all that's a different sort of riding experience You must come to the dunes Yeah, it's really fun You must come I'm going in a couple weeks And it is beyond any driving experience I've ever had It's the closest I've ever felt to When you have dreams of flying But you're just kind of like You're only about five feet off the ground You're kind of doing the contours of the Yeah, yeah That sounds like something like I would do in like snowmobiles And stuff Exactly But it's a lot easier to do it in the dunes, snowmobiling is very difficult.

[142] It is.

[143] Tricky as heck.

[144] I love it, and it's the easiest thing to learn how to ride.

[145] You can teach someone in five seconds.

[146] And the easiest thing to bury, and your day is ruined.

[147] Two hours digging out.

[148] Forget it.

[149] I'm not doing it.

[150] It's snowing right now and tow, and I locked up all my snowmobiles, so no one drives them.

[151] That's the thing.

[152] Snowmills are more than anything.

[153] It's like, you're going to spend your day digging all the people you just taught how to do it.

[154] Like, I took Kristen on the Continental Divide out in Wyoming, and my first.

[155] friend Tom who at the time was 69.

[156] It was like the three of us out there.

[157] And I spent the whole day digging just out of the deepest shit.

[158] It's the worst.

[159] That's a sport best to invite people who know what they're doing.

[160] You guys are kind of soulmade.

[161] This is the first actor I've had on.

[162] I could fucking bro out about snowmiling.

[163] Let me tell you what I knew about you before I knew you.

[164] Yep.

[165] And by the way, we just are friends on Instagram, which I love.

[166] I feel flattered by that by for some reason but at any rate i knew maybe right around her locker time like as i was becoming to know who you were of course i was obsessed with that movie i'm going to give you the compliment i reserved for russell crow in l .a confidential oh yeah i didn't know who he was and if you remember that movie like really early in he steps up and a guy's been beating his wife and he looks at the guy and he goes once the last time you dance with a man and i was like oh they found an actor that's really been in fights they found one here this guy i can see it immediately this is This is the real guy.

[167] And I was so enthusiastic.

[168] Same with Hurtlager.

[169] I was like, well, they find, I don't know where they got this actor, but he's a real human being.

[170] But what I had known about you at that time was that, yeah, you bought houses with a friend here in L .A., and you renovated stuff, and you flipped it.

[171] And again, I was like, not the average hobby for an actor.

[172] Yeah.

[173] So I want to know what year you moved here and then all these bizarre things you explored before Hurt Locker.

[174] I moved here in 93.

[175] I think it was like March of 93.

[176] Right down the street is where my first department was in 1635 for Mosa.

[177] Oh, wow.

[178] And it was in that hood, pretty much my whole time here.

[179] And I came here with a very, very strong purpose and goals of I had three things I wanted to achieve.

[180] And I gave myself 11 years.

[181] I don't know why 11, but I gave myself 11 years.

[182] And I want these three goals to happen.

[183] And then I'll be good.

[184] First of all, I got an agent when I got here off like some crappy headshot.

[185] I didn't know what a headshot was.

[186] I'm like, just pick a picture of my head, I guess, right?

[187] Well, I only had a resume of, like, because I did a lot of extensive theater.

[188] An ACT in San Francisco and did a ton of the colleges up in my hometown, but that was it, man. I think there's more special skills than it was, like, actual credits.

[189] Oh, yeah, and a lot of them, I'm so nervous they asked me to do.

[190] I really wanted to go back and look at them.

[191] But, like, if I've never done it, I'm sure, like, canoeing.

[192] Yeah, I can do that.

[193] I've never done it, but I know I can crush it.

[194] That's what happens is you're going through the East, Start with the obvious one's like, oh, I can play basketball.

[195] I'm a drummer, blah, blah, blah.

[196] And then you start just, yes, theorizing whether or not you can do it.

[197] What I could do.

[198] Come down a rope?

[199] Yeah, I could fucking repel.

[200] No problem.

[201] Oh, dude, my whole thing was fake.

[202] I just had nothing.

[203] You know, I put myself in four plays.

[204] I put myself in a few short films that I made up the names of.

[205] I mean, the whole thing was a lie.

[206] But I don't know.

[207] I was like, what were my options?

[208] It's right, Jack Shepherd on the back.

[209] Getting an agent out of that, you know, actually a pretty mid -level, nice agency had the deal in the first week and then was able to start grinding and learning about how to audition and film and television that was very different from stage.

[210] I was very comfortable in the stage world, so I had to really kind of transition into that.

[211] It took me a while to get good at auditioning.

[212] Can you tell me what you think the main difference is?

[213] Well, I remember getting kicked out of a room because I went to go to this audition and I memorized all my stuff.

[214] Yeah.

[215] And she's like, you're here for what?

[216] And I'm like, oh, for this, this audition.

[217] Okay, we're your sides.

[218] What are sides?

[219] Right, right, right.

[220] It's like, you're an actor?

[221] You call yourself an actor.

[222] You know what sides are?

[223] I'm like, no. I don't know.

[224] Sorry, I don't know what sides are.

[225] Macquar and cheese, mashed potatoes, broccoli, sides.

[226] I'm like, I don't know what that is.

[227] It's like, I have it all memorized.

[228] I don't need paper to tell me, because in stage you've memorized so much, right?

[229] Right, right, yeah.

[230] But yeah, she kicked me out of the damn office.

[231] Anyway, so I had to keep learning and growing and understanding that business of that.

[232] My first job ever on camera was a lead in the National Ampoon Senior Trip, movie.

[233] That was just a glorious experience.

[234] If you're one of the leads, it's just a crash course in learning how the sausage is made, right?

[235] Just of everything, I think, man. I mean, I was pretty comfortable in what I was doing as an actor, but then how do I apply that with cameras in a different world and doing with the excitement, in a comedy, and these type of things.

[236] That was very, very foreign to me. And the greatest thing achieved all three goals, because I wanted to be in a movie.

[237] In a movie, it was big enough that would play my small hometown of Modesto.

[238] And they'd be in a role that was, I didn't have to tell you what role I was.

[239] Like, I'm the guy in the red shirt waving in the background.

[240] So I got all three of those in that first job.

[241] Yeah.

[242] And super, super exciting.

[243] Anytime you get a job in this town, still propagate some, some goodness to keep going, right?

[244] Exactly.

[245] Do all the difficult times.

[246] At least I'm at the plate swinging, right?

[247] For sure.

[248] So all those things kept me going from that time on.

[249] That was 1994.

[250] And then throughout that time, there's a lot of like TV roles and guest stars and things like that that kind of kept continuing.

[251] that kept feeding the beast and paying the bills.

[252] Yeah.

[253] As I was still a makeup artist this whole time.

[254] So that's what...

[255] Exactly.

[256] We can't just go...

[257] We can't just go, like, as you know, I was a makeup artist.

[258] What?

[259] Well, that gave me a lot of power, right?

[260] So when I moved down from Modesto, I was going back to 93 now, I was working in a mall for Christmas.

[261] And I got shocks, mall.

[262] I was doing a play.

[263] I can't remember what play it was at the local MJC.

[264] I think I was just cruising through the mall, Christmas Shock.

[265] or something.

[266] And somebody at the fragrance counters, there's like some sort of thing saying, like you can get like $25 an hour to be a fragrance model.

[267] Oh, wow.

[268] I'm like, yeah, that's a lot of dough in 1990, right?

[269] Yeah.

[270] It's like $70 an hour now.

[271] And it's only obviously a limited thing, but like yeah, I'll do it.

[272] So I went to like, you know, the Chesh King or the oak tree got this terrible suit right for $99.

[273] It's like mustard and purple.

[274] This whole thing, yeah.

[275] It's like a Joey Trivia.

[276] And then me and my buddy, Shannon, we both did this frankling modeling thing as much as we could on the weekends, mostly, and worked their butts off doing that.

[277] So after that was done and made some good money, also made friends within the department because we're pretty much the only guys in that sort of cosmetic department.

[278] And it sounds like you're floating around a lot so you can like duck in and say hi to people.

[279] Exactly.

[280] Your job is really just kind of like, hey, how you doing trying this fragrance?

[281] Did you get paid extra if you sold if people bought it?

[282] I don't remember that part of it.

[283] I don't think I was ever a good salesman.

[284] I don't think I'm a good salesman.

[285] No, I'm not a good salesman.

[286] But I got a good smile, I guess.

[287] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[288] I can bring people in somehow, some way.

[289] Yeah.

[290] So at the end of that gig, come January, there's an opening at the Longcomb Cosmetics counter.

[291] I'm like, oh, let me go over to the gals.

[292] I already know them.

[293] Yeah.

[294] What's going on?

[295] Let's talk about this.

[296] And they already love me in a way, right?

[297] I knew nothing about cosmetics.

[298] So they sit down and I have a meeting with them.

[299] It's like, tell us about your experience in makeup.

[300] I'm like, well, I do my own makeup.

[301] He's like, what do you mean?

[302] In theater, I have to like apply my own makeup.

[303] Now it's not street makeup, but I have to do it more like clown -like.

[304] Right, it's going to be theatrical.

[305] Exactly.

[306] You've got to be able to see it from the 28th row.

[307] But I sat with them and I said, look, and the two gals were there, Kari and.

[308] Oh, wow.

[309] That was the boss.

[310] And anyway, I sit down and I'm like, well, ladies, why do you have this makeup on?

[311] You're wearing makeup right now.

[312] Why do you put it on?

[313] Oh, uh -huh.

[314] You know, let me mention this.

[315] They might mention that.

[316] It's like, oh, if the job or I just want to look beautiful, I'm like, who do you want to look beautiful for, of yourself, or maybe do you want to attract another man?

[317] It just wouldn't be interesting to get a man's opinion on how a woman looks like with makeup on.

[318] Oh, wow.

[319] So that was my gangster psychological way.

[320] You really got in there.

[321] So I got the job.

[322] Okay.

[323] And so there's a big part of, like, the skincare part of it, which I really wasn't interested in.

[324] I was interested in more in, like, the makeup part of it, only because of that statement.

[325] How I ended up applying makeup, because I wouldn't touch a woman's face unless she felt comfortable and realized I asked the right four or five questions first.

[326] Right.

[327] And it's not me trying to do anything else besides witness her and understand her.

[328] Yeah.

[329] How do I make this woman feel beautiful because beauty comes within right here in your heart?

[330] This is only going to express that.

[331] Uh -huh.

[332] And that was my job as a makeup artist in my eyes.

[333] Are you fucking PQing out of your mind right now?

[334] I'm just amazed.

[335] I've never...

[336] But how many PQs?

[337] I mean, this is very sensual.

[338] Yeah.

[339] Well, but it is kind of like that.

[340] It was like a therapy session in the sense.

[341] They're in a very vulnerable position.

[342] They're basically saying, like, I would like to look prettier.

[343] Yeah.

[344] Which is so vague and whatever.

[345] And also just, like, sweet and endearing, like, that we all want to look a little prettier.

[346] Yeah, yeah.

[347] So they're being very kind of open.

[348] So really quick, what I know is that you did really well with ladies.

[349] That's what I know about you.

[350] Between the fucking fragrance thing.

[351] Well, I grew up with women.

[352] I'm a badass dude because I was raised by badass women.

[353] Right.

[354] And you're the oldest of seven.

[355] I'm the old seven, yeah, yeah.

[356] How many gales in that?

[357] The first two younger than me are women.

[358] And then I helped birth my sister, or my mom taught me Lamas to help birth my sister.

[359] And then my other first sister had her first child and I was around for that.

[360] Being good with women is like understanding women.

[361] Yeah, like I taught girls how to put tampons in, right?

[362] Yeah.

[363] I just thought that was normal.

[364] Right.

[365] But apparently it's not, right, unless you're a gyno.

[366] Right.

[367] Yeah.

[368] But I didn't know any better.

[369] I was just raised around women.

[370] And then more importantly, my psychological take on, because I took psychology in college, and that was a big thing for, you took theater and psychology.

[371] Right.

[372] And that understanding of empowering a woman especially is an important thing to me. And then that's how I dispersed it through makeup.

[373] No, I cannot sell them makeup.

[374] They bought everything I put on them.

[375] I actually under -sill them, like, no, you actually don't need that.

[376] Right.

[377] I just did that, so it lasts all day long.

[378] You don't need the under thing on that.

[379] You can actually supply it.

[380] It'll stay on.

[381] Yeah.

[382] But if you want to stay on all day, you might want to do it.

[383] But I would recommend, don't even get the lipstick.

[384] Use a lip liner and some lip cloths.

[385] Lip liner all over your lip.

[386] It'll last all day.

[387] Put a little lip gloss on the tip.

[388] It'll last.

[389] You don't need the lipstick.

[390] Okay, really quick.

[391] So I would do these things, right?

[392] Hold on, pause.

[393] No, not you just do these things.

[394] We're not blowing past it.

[395] We got to indulge in this.

[396] All this is, attention to detail, you guys.

[397] It's no different than building a house or parenting your child.

[398] Attention to detail.

[399] Look, if you've got a bag of it, of Legos, there's only a certain amount of ways you can put the damn thing together.

[400] I know, and you're right, you're right on all these points, but let's go back to you at the makeup counter, because did you ever see when we were younger the Patrick Dempsey's not Can't Buy Me Love, but the Pizza Guy movie.

[401] Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[402] Where he was basically a gigolo.

[403] If you ordered the pizza with extra anchovies, when he got there, he would treat these wonderful ladies to like a romantic day.

[404] Oh, wow.

[405] And of course, they couldn't make the pizzas fast enough.

[406] So I'm just wondering, was there kind of a preposterous line to come get their makeup done by you?

[407] This woman can do your makeup.

[408] No, no, I want to wait for him.

[409] I don't want him to do it.

[410] Well, the lines were long.

[411] Oh, this is great.

[412] I need to make a movie about this.

[413] This is kind of like shampoo as well.

[414] I did get some hotel keys slid my way.

[415] Sure.

[416] Those kind of things because, like, you know, wedding parties would come in and that type of thing.

[417] Only because they'd want me to do the makeup for the wedding.

[418] Some of the moms that were single.

[419] I'm young, but I'm not that job.

[420] I'm like, I'm not quite sure if I should ever entertain this idea.

[421] I've never heard a story like this on this show.

[422] But I had a job, right?

[423] So I work at that job as a makeup artist for like probably a year or so.

[424] He was very nervous to move down from Modesta to L .A. I was the first in the family.

[425] Everyone was kind of like, where are you going?

[426] What's happening?

[427] I'm moving out.

[428] The only thing that really made me feel not as scared is that I did have a job when I arrived, something I knew already knew how to do.

[429] Didn't know where I was doing it, just knew it was in a bunch of different department stores.

[430] So I went around to all those on the weekends, like a Friday, Saturday, Sunday, do these color events or blah, blah, blah, blah, and just do what I was doing all along.

[431] Now, that gave me so much confidence because I had a job, and it pays pretty dang well.

[432] Yeah.

[433] And I didn't have to work the rest of the dang weeks, so then I can audition during the week.

[434] So it really worked out quite beautifully.

[435] Now, being entrepreneurial as you are, was there moments where you're, like, should I fucking go all in on this makeup thing?

[436] Like, I can talk to these people.

[437] I understand it really well.

[438] Should I be pursuing perhaps like a line?

[439] Did you ever entertain that?

[440] No, I did the opposite.

[441] I pushed all that away because opportunities came up for me to do makeup that was in my field.

[442] The movie industry, right?

[443] Opportunities came up with my guy.

[444] No, no, no, no. I came down here to be an actor and I didn't want to cross and blur the lines.

[445] You don't want to be doing someone's makeup, then be a scene partner.

[446] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[447] I agree.

[448] I was very, very, I kept a very separate.

[449] And once in a while, it did come around to where the skills were needed because the makeup artist got cut in the landslide in Malibu.

[450] And I was doing a commercial with this actor, and we was doing a Bud Light campaign.

[451] And I said, I got my kit in the car.

[452] And the producer was like, what?

[453] Brother, you got your makeup in the car?

[454] I'm like, yeah, my makeup artist.

[455] I'm in the car.

[456] They'll tell anybody.

[457] This is a one -off.

[458] I can do it.

[459] Yeah, and I ended up doing it.

[460] Then I got offers to, you know, work for Playboy, which is like, wow, I'm like, how can I turn that down?

[461] I remember this.

[462] it was these two gals they came up to the chair and I made them both so happy and they skipped off into the mall and then they came back and I came back with this guy and he hands me his car is like I've never seen these girls smile this big and feel so good about themselves meet me in my office and like it's a playboy essentially I'm like oh my God he's like talking about a shit ton of money more than I've ever heard and a couple of your contract and all I'd have to do is like retouch some some blemishes on some butts essentially right with beautiful playmates.

[463] I'm like, what idiot is not going to take this job?

[464] This idiot didn't take the job.

[465] But I couldn't, right?

[466] I couldn't.

[467] I wouldn't be sitting here.

[468] I'd be some sort of dirt bag.

[469] You'd be at the bunny ranch somewhere.

[470] You'd be the bunny ranch still.

[471] It would have been a bad scenario as young.

[472] You're right, man. You're right, man. There's a lot of opportunities to get off the path, man. Yeah, so many.

[473] A lot of them are paved in gold.

[474] Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[475] All while I was broke for the 10 years, I lived in now.

[476] LA.

[477] I cut all my friend's hair and it was just for food and beer and shit.

[478] Yeah.

[479] But occasionally I still cut people's hair.

[480] I like it because it reminds me of like, oh yeah, I used to have this thing that was kind of valuable for all of us that were broke.

[481] So I'm curious, do you ever like dial someone up still?

[482] Uh, yeah.

[483] I mean, like right now, I'm doing it for Halloween.

[484] Oh, sure.

[485] My daughter's beetle juice.

[486] She wants a kind of a glampy, kind of beetle juice, not the, too scary.

[487] It's more like that.

[488] What's the, it's like, Haley Quinn.

[489] Harley Quinn, yeah, yeah.

[490] She wants to kind of look like that, but in the Beetlejuice costume.

[491] So, Mike, that's more glammy.

[492] So I'm doing that for her.

[493] He'd do it for me. I have some press stuff next week, so.

[494] No problem.

[495] And more importantly, I'll teach you how to do it.

[496] There we know.

[497] More importantly, to empower you.

[498] And I'll tell you, the simplest thing.

[499] It'll take you five minutes, and it'll just shift and frame your face.

[500] It'll be amazing.

[501] Oh, my God.

[502] I think for people listening, like, you are clearly, you're so comfortable in your masculinity.

[503] Yeah, yeah.

[504] So many guys would be like, I don't do I make up.

[505] Like, that's a girl.

[506] Everyone don't think I'm gay.

[507] Yeah.

[508] So what gave you that?

[509] This question comes up a lot for me in my own head, and I can't pinpoint it for sure where it ultimately stems from, the confidence.

[510] Yeah.

[511] Because when my sister ended up being one of the most insecure humans and having a lot of difficulty and troubles in life, and there's a little bit of chemical imbalance and stuff in there that didn't help with that.

[512] And I just became a very confident child, and I always have been, very kind of secure.

[513] and I can attribute it to being a Latsky kid, having a lot of freedoms as a kid.

[514] And responsibilities, though, I'll add.

[515] Responsibilities put upon me. Yeah, like, you're probably helping with all those kids.

[516] Yeah, of course.

[517] But then also having the freedoms, I didn't have to come home until the streetlights came on.

[518] I didn't see my mom in the morning, and I didn't see her until the streetlights came on.

[519] I went to school, and this is like second grade, third grade, fourth grade, fifth grade, you know, middle school, all that stuff.

[520] So I'd go to school, come back, do my homework, and then piss off.

[521] And I had freedoms to go do that As long as I got home If I was getting shitty grades Or if I got caught doing something bad Like break a window Then I'd have to be responsible with that And I'd get reprimanded And any scuffles in that period?

[522] Not really I mean there's missteps of like Yeah we went out Wrist rocket and break a window Sure sure sure Whatever I remember I stole something I sold a label maker The first thing I ever stole What a nerdy thing to steal It's like stealing a calculator It is it is But I self -policed myself and then when I couldn't, like the label maker or one or two other events, then I got policed by my mom or my dad.

[523] Yeah, yeah.

[524] And I made adjustments to that.

[525] And with those things, I learned my own failures and I learned how to police my own behavior.

[526] I knew when something just felt bad.

[527] Yeah.

[528] And I don't internalize it.

[529] And for whatever reason, I mean, I'm only spitballing and understanding of why I might have the secureness of myself.

[530] I had support.

[531] I always had love, right?

[532] I always had love.

[533] And I have a big, giant, weird -ass family, always having love and support, no matter what I was doing, I had that gangster forever love.

[534] And that, I think, is the beginning of the foundation of confidence.

[535] Continuity is a very, very important thing for confidence.

[536] Here's my theory on you, perhaps, or it's me. I'm so sensitive.

[537] Same here.

[538] But doing enough guy shit, BMX racing and then motorcycles and all this stuff, so I could be sensitive.

[539] And if you called me out, then I could also back it up.

[540] Like, I did a lot of stuff to kind of to buy myself the right to be sensitive and who I wanted to be.

[541] Right.

[542] But it felt like I had to do a lot of other shit.

[543] So I felt allowed to do it.

[544] Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[545] Rugged shit so that I could, like, openly love my best friend or whatever the things were.

[546] Is this because your father was more absent?

[547] He was absent.

[548] So any male approval was going to be from the group.

[549] Right.

[550] So I was in total search of it.

[551] Yeah, the limitations of your environment.

[552] Yeah, it's like, well, how do you be a man?

[553] you jump over that fire when you have a bonfire oh yeah i'll do that oh you jump off this bridge yes i'll do that you'll fight this guy yes i'll do like any but then also coupled with tons of sensitivity which i feel like when i look at you i can feel yeah yeah i got a lot of that sort of masculine stuff if you will i mean it's hard to genderize it but like typically masculine stuff like my mom was like the athlete stud stern big heart but like you don't want to mess with my mom right she's like she's like the more like a stronger energy yeah my dad was more very involved my dad he's the one one that was more like thoughtful and artistic and over -communicative, if you will, even, like emotional intelligence.

[554] He's the one who's like, hey, let's try tap dancing.

[555] And I'm like, ah, you know, did this.

[556] Let's try this.

[557] Let's try that.

[558] He just, like, kind of helped me push the limits of exploring.

[559] Even acting, where I'm from acting as a dude, you don't want anything to do with that.

[560] No, yeah.

[561] Yeah, no, it was tap dancing.

[562] No, it's not ideal.

[563] I was in ballet.

[564] My mom put me in ballet.

[565] Yeah, yeah.

[566] But that's the difference.

[567] When your mom put you in ballet, your dad.

[568] said he's not doing that anymore he came to a recital I was like that's the end of that your dad the model of masculinity has a lot of softer quality yeah the more artistic sort of side yeah right and I never had anybody stop me from anything they always encouraged me to do all different things in life just try shit yeah you know it's funny is as you were coming in today I was in my mind thinking I want to talk a ton about masculinity but I also want to do it in a way that's not like perpetuating the thing I thought I was fighting against but But the word I want to use from now on is rugged.

[569] Okay.

[570] Because that can be male or female.

[571] Like, I would say you're a rugged dude.

[572] Yeah.

[573] That's pretty much what I'd say.

[574] Instead of saying you're like a masculine dude.

[575] It's just like, you're a rugged dude who likes to do fucking labor and shit.

[576] All right.

[577] The thing I wanted to ask is, where'd you have your daughter, Ava?

[578] What hospital?

[579] Here at Cedar Center.

[580] Okay, so you know what's crazy?

[581] We were both there.

[582] Really?

[583] My daughter was born the 27th, 13th.

[584] Really?

[585] Yes, and we were there for three days because of a C -section.

[586] And so we most certainly were literally on that floor.

[587] Yeah, we were in and out.

[588] I think we were there total like four hours.

[589] No shit.

[590] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[591] Oh, my God.

[592] Yeah.

[593] At 12, 12, she was born.

[594] I think we got there like at 11, 1130.

[595] Did all the stuff.

[596] Yeah, I think we're home like four or something in the morning.

[597] Oh, my God.

[598] My wife had like a 23 -hour labor, followed by an emergency C -section.

[599] Oh, man. But we were there.

[600] I think that's so wild when I read the, yeah, 100%.

[601] One day apart.

[602] In fact, my sandrail downstairs says, 327 on the side.

[603] Yours would say 328.

[604] Yeah, that's awesome.

[605] Okay, so I want to kind of cut to Hurt Locker because, and I could be totally wrong about this, but I would imagine it would be really hard for you to become the actor you became.

[606] A, it's my favorite kind of acting, which is just your ability to do nothing is mind -blowing in a very complimentary way.

[607] Like your stillness, your confidence, it's like so enviable.

[608] But it's not full.

[609] No. Like, you got to go into all these auditions.

[610] They're not offering people the lead brooding role when you're starting.

[611] So it's not like you can...

[612] Yeah, correct.

[613] Yeah, so you've got to go...

[614] You kind of got to be flashy and you've got to score in these little tiny scenes, and it's really fucking hard to land where you did.

[615] Correct.

[616] Those opportunities are far and few between.

[617] Dahmer gave me the confidence to do a lead role and a very kind of cripplingly difficult role to do.

[618] And that was 2000.

[619] And then 2008, doing the Hurt Locker, I was even more than ready for those opportunities.

[620] I always was, because from Dahmer, there's a handful of, like, assassinations, Jesse James and all these sort of like these supporting characters and North Country with Charlize and all these great, great films and great experiences, but I wanted more to chew on.

[621] I wanted more responsibility.

[622] I wanted more challenges.

[623] Herk Locker comes around, and it's like, yeah, I'm ready for that.

[624] And, I mean, this is not a normal film.

[625] We're shooting in the Middle East, And there's nothing that's preparing you for those circumstances.

[626] And her being able to capture what she captured in that film.

[627] It's like, thank goodness.

[628] I'm like, because I didn't know.

[629] We didn't see anybody during the filming of that film.

[630] It's like, we just went out and just did stuff.

[631] And like, are they filming this shit?

[632] Right, right.

[633] But, Catherine, you know, with the long lenses and all the stuff, we're capturing the details of everything that you're talking about, the stillness and all these other things that were very, very important to that character.

[634] Because also this is a movie that has.

[635] has no story.

[636] This is a character piece.

[637] It's a character study.

[638] We were shooting there and the world was going on.

[639] And we're just three guys doing this job.

[640] And that was to kind of hook in.

[641] It's like that people don't know about this job.

[642] It's a really interesting world with these three really interesting guys.

[643] And it's just going on this journey with them, what their job is like.

[644] And she always wanted to go with someone that wasn't like a distractingly famous.

[645] That was very important.

[646] That was very important to the role because there's a big bait and switch on this stage with Guy Pearce.

[647] I'm thinking he's going to be the lead of the film.

[648] It was There's three unknowns, if you will, to really run this thing afterwards.

[649] I got to say, and it felt very calculated in a brilliant way, because Guy Pearce at that time was coming off of maybe Momento or something.

[650] And the movie starts with him.

[651] You think he's our lead.

[652] And she offs that motherfucker.

[653] Yeah, the first five minutes.

[654] It's been in a really visceral, gnarly way.

[655] And then here comes the other thing.

[656] So, wow, now you're already on the edge of your seat is like...

[657] Anything's possible.

[658] Anything is possible.

[659] They killed my lead.

[660] Yeah.

[661] It's kind of like Game of Thrones.

[662] There's a secret recipe where it's like, you kill my lead right away, and I'm like, well, anything in this movie could happen.

[663] I better pay attention.

[664] And also, there was such importance for Catherine 2 to really want to have people get immersed into this world.

[665] You have baggage if you have a star that comes with like, oh, you're getting used in the trades saying, oh, you've got divorced and there's a marital problem.

[666] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[667] He had a DUI last month.

[668] Yeah, exactly.

[669] It subconsciously kind of comes into the audience's brains.

[670] You come with a very clean slate.

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[684] Okay, so now my question is, this is always my preoccupation or my fascination with people, because so few people do it correctly.

[685] I did it terribly to take that opportunity you had and now build a lasting career, this goes back to the Playboy thing.

[686] You most certainly are offered after Hurt Locker, many, many good pay days for things that are just okay.

[687] Even before that, you know, very clear, when you have clarity of intention, you know when you go off the rails, because you know where the hell you're going, and you can take actionable steps to manifest your gold.

[688] There were things that are a little bit more tempting back in the day, It might have been like the Playboy thing.

[689] Or I get a call to be the fifth member in a boy band.

[690] Oh, wow.

[691] These kind of things happened.

[692] This is back of the day.

[693] But I was clear about what I wanted.

[694] This is your life if you're cute.

[695] Like he went to the mall and it became a salesman.

[696] And they're begging you to be in a boy band.

[697] Let's move on.

[698] I've turned down more money than I'll ever make in my career.

[699] Right.

[700] I cannot be driven by money.

[701] I'm already winning because of that.

[702] I don't know if it's a great business plan, but I'm certainly not going to be swooned by a dollar amount.

[703] Right, but can I maybe suggest the fact that you're already such a self -generator and that maybe hurt locker money went into you had bought a house you're going to flip, like, that has to come into it as well.

[704] It's like, well, I got a side hustle that I like.

[705] Sure.

[706] And I'm not going to start.

[707] It does.

[708] Because your other actors are going like, yeah, I got no other pokers and any other fires.

[709] Yeah, yeah.

[710] That's how I got a lot of jobs, had so much confidence knowing I have a very successful career if I want it in building, in designing.

[711] Right.

[712] So I'd going like i don't need this job i don't have any desperation where i have a need maybe i want it yeah but it's very different when you need something and you want you look desperate and you remove that i've got more offers since i decided i don't want to act anymore than i ever got when i was on fire to act exactly like can't be a coincidence yeah not at all okay so you're so great in the town you're so authentic in that movie and then of course i'm american hustle i fucking love you and you're so good Now, jumping into the Avengers world, walk me through that because that might not be on the roadmap initially.

[713] No, no, it certainly wasn't.

[714] That came around, around the Hurt Locker time.

[715] Iron Man had already been out, and I think they were making Iron Man tune, and they were going into Thor.

[716] And they showed me the version of the Hawkeye that they wanted to go is more like the Ultimates version, which is more like tactical, marine -looking kind of guy.

[717] Not that, yeah, he has no superpowers anyway in any of the comics, but he's not wearing, like, you know, sometimes he looks like Fabio or something.

[718] I was like, you know, the purple things with the skirt and the thing.

[719] So I'm glad they're, I'm like, hey, I really like that look.

[720] They were a very practical version of Hawkeye.

[721] I'm like, okay, I can relate to that.

[722] This is a guy just with a high skill set, da -da -da, this and this and this and that.

[723] I get that.

[724] This is also why I loved Iron Man so much.

[725] I felt like you made this really ridiculous idea plausible.

[726] I agree.

[727] I agree.

[728] I actually buy it.

[729] I'm like, I love the thing.

[730] I want to be involved.

[731] Yeah, let's do this.

[732] Yeah.

[733] But then you're signing like a decade of your life away.

[734] You're part of a 30 film strategy.

[735] Exactly, exactly.

[736] I didn't know it was 30, but like, you're like, Avengers 1, 2, 3, and then Hawkeye 1, 2, and 3, you're signing on.

[737] I'm like, wait, I remember talking to my lawyer.

[738] And I'm like, wait a minute, I could be 50 years old in tights.

[739] I don't think anybody wants to see me in tights at 50.

[740] You're wrong.

[741] Or ever.

[742] And here I am.

[743] But at that time, I was like, I don't know, it's just going off the rails.

[744] Going a little off the rails.

[745] but obviously it went ahead with it and so blessed I did and glad I did it's got to be a very interesting set to go on.

[746] What instrument do I play in this orchestra?

[747] Right.

[748] If anything, if you ever played any sport, you're kind of joining a new team.

[749] I knew Downey, I knew Scarlett before.

[750] We just didn't know Hemsworth.

[751] From what I hear, he's a pretty great guy.

[752] He's amazing.

[753] But we didn't know.

[754] We all kind of around the first day.

[755] We're all trading around our costumes.

[756] So it looks like, you know, it's Halloween.

[757] We look, like, we're excited and equally feeling ridiculous.

[758] Yes.

[759] You know, I feel like we all kind of knew each other somehow, some way, except did know this Andrews guy because he comes from Australia.

[760] And he's the tallest, he's the most good -looking.

[761] Yeah.

[762] Brick shit house.

[763] We've got to break his knee.

[764] We've got to take him out.

[765] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[766] This guy's too good -looking.

[767] He's too tall.

[768] He's too charming.

[769] Fuck this guy.

[770] I'm going to stand a chance.

[771] Yeah, we're screwed.

[772] Yeah, yeah.

[773] But, yeah, we're all feeling out of our own bodies and giddy that we're dressing up in these costumes.

[774] Like, what are we doing?

[775] This is amazing, but what are we doing?

[776] Oh, my God, yeah.

[777] Checking on each other's problems.

[778] Here's my hammer.

[779] It's really like a third grader's on the playground.

[780] Yeah.

[781] The greatest thing that ever came from the last 11 years of Marvel world for me or even all of us is the original A6 that have been along the whole journey.

[782] There's been marriages and divorces and kids being born and a lot of shifts and changes in our personal lives, as well as our acting lives.

[783] that we all share together in a very specific way.

[784] And the takeaway of having Hemsworth, and he just got to L .A. actually, so I'm going to try to hit him up after this.

[785] Drop them off here and just don't tell them why.

[786] I say you'll be back in two hours.

[787] But all of them, they're like family to me. And you can't replace that or quantify it.

[788] And we all got tattoos together just to symbolize that.

[789] Oh, I love that.

[790] That's so sweet.

[791] Our bond and love.

[792] It's like five other people speak the same language.

[793] You're going to talk with them a little bit better, right?

[794] Yeah, yeah.

[795] Because everybody's a celebrity in their own right.

[796] Marvel's celebrity, especially as the original six, has just been a different kind of journey.

[797] Oh, yeah.

[798] It's like being in the Beatles.

[799] Yeah, yeah, kind of.

[800] Ours is organized.

[801] We let people know we're going to be here and like, then they come.

[802] I think people just follow them around like psychos, jumping on their cars and pulling their hair.

[803] Don't pull my hair.

[804] You're probably going to go down.

[805] I'm going to take it down.

[806] I have to imagine that that whole whole thing.

[807] group has some mild fascination with the fact that you're like a fireman up in Nevada.

[808] Downing he's like, what are you doing?

[809] You're really doing the fire truck.

[810] Wait, you're, wait, is that real?

[811] I'm working with the fire department up in - Doing their makeup.

[812] You're doing their makeup.

[813] No, I started buying a lot of fire trucks and a lot of just city vehicles even, but I do own like 30 fire trucks.

[814] Oh, my God.

[815] And it sounds weird, I know.

[816] But not to me. But then when I started talking about the real purpose in the end game, of it.

[817] And the reason why I even own them in the first place, like, oh, that makes sense.

[818] Which is you live in a very flammable area.

[819] That's like number one, right?

[820] So I'm not thinking like, oh, buy a fire truck and I'll be my own fireman to put out my own fires.

[821] I got the first one and realized there's a lot of waste.

[822] And it's not because it's a bad thing.

[823] It's an emergency vehicle.

[824] It's got to be 100 % of the time.

[825] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[826] Where like it has too many hours on it, which is not many.

[827] And I'll pick them up for like seven grand.

[828] This is a perfectly good machine.

[829] Why is it going to waste?

[830] And so that's where it started this journey for me to pick up these fire trucks that were being punted for sometimes even carbon emissions in California, which are very strict.

[831] So something in a diesel engine from 2008 and younger, they're going to punt that shit.

[832] So I just take fire trucks and repurpose them.

[833] This is fire trucks, sure.

[834] And also donate to other communities that can't afford them, especially like in Mexico.

[835] And then I'll repurpose them for mobile parties, for kids.

[836] and a jumper will come out there's a slide off the back and there's horns are going and the lights going on it's going on.

[837] There's a slurpy machine on one side.

[838] There's a cappuccino machine on the other side for the adults.

[839] So, you know, kids' birthday parties happen every day in perpetuity for the rest of our lives.

[840] How about having this fire truck roll up that brings the jumper and the whole thing.

[841] So I'll be doing this as a business plan that comes out.

[842] I'm doing a show about all this.

[843] Oh, fun.

[844] So then that's just one idea.

[845] And then I'm building a volunteer fire department at the top of this mountain where I live, and there's a community of quite a few homes there, and it is in Lake Tahoe, there's just giant, giant fires there.

[846] Now I have all the rigs that I can just like, they call me when there's a fire out there up on top of the mountain, which is dope.

[847] The fire chief called me a couple weeks ago asking if I had any hoses I could donate.

[848] Right?

[849] Like, it's kind of dope.

[850] Yeah, of course.

[851] And I've worked with the fire department, the sheriff's department, and all that community.

[852] And I love also being involved in the community in that way.

[853] And so I'm getting some of my hours done so I can get the volunteer fire department kind of put together up there.

[854] And then also the biggest job I'm going to be doing with these fire trucks is again, using the fire trucks for what they're intended to do, but more preventative.

[855] There's things called Foschek.

[856] You put it in a mixture of water in your trucks or even water trucks.

[857] And you spray it on the side of the roads or in areas where you want to protect.

[858] You cannot burn it for a year.

[859] You can throw gasoline in the mat.

[860] It just will not burn.

[861] The reason why Paradise went up in flames it was an elderly couple got a flat tire and they pulled over the side of the road and the rim sparked up and lit up that whole town, right?

[862] That was sprayed and just like you would, look, if you have Clark pest control, you know, you went to your mice and the cockroaches and all that stuff, it's just a little bit of maintenance, right, like a haircut or whatever.

[863] Right.

[864] It's a little bit of maintenance you can do that's just for the one person that gets the spark on the rim on a highway that where you're surrounded by a high density of, not homes, but even more trees and shrubs.

[865] and then there's homes within that it's called defensible space and that's what I'm going to defend and I'm going to use superhero shit on this thing to defend this thing and I wish my guy had a cape I doubt so you're the only person that's going to come through here I could ask this I guess when I see these endless cycles of fires my thought is like what is the prevention why aren't we owning the fact that this is costing billions of dollars and sliding a big chunk of that budget into prevention?

[866] Is that already happened?

[867] Or why aren't we acknowledging this is permanent?

[868] Well, I think you have to understand, it's impossible to do ultimate prevention.

[869] Prevention is around where defensible space is only around where people live or businesses are.

[870] Okay.

[871] There's no defensible space out in the forest.

[872] Right.

[873] Because what are you defending?

[874] Sometimes forests need to burn.

[875] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[876] It's part of the whole cycle.

[877] Yeah, part of the cycle.

[878] But you can't prevent that, and nor can you prevent the lightning strikes that do start some of those fires.

[879] I don't know what the numbers are, percentages are of lightning strikes versus human error campers and some arson which is malicious you know put those people down but you know or that behavior down here come on now oh my god you'll love this really quick my sister's inside yeah she was leaving my friend's easter party comes around the corner to hang a right onto a main road she notices the side of the hills on fire she sees a guy fucking lighting it and then another motorist sees this and my sister and this guy tackle this guy and my sister sits on this man until the police come how fucking ballers that he didn't work he wasn't doing a controlled burn well he was doing a controlled burn but not in the name of our city or any other organization not bath salts no exactly yeah he was yeah trying to burn out some some theoretical enemies that were going to kill him or something by the way that is gangsters all hell yeah she's even in the paper on you wow what a life okay so mayor of kingstown yeah so i have seen i've only watched the trailer but by the way you had posted the trailer i think like three weeks ago on instagram and i comment it because it looks fucking awesome i mean it really really looks incredible yeah yeah now i got to tell you i'm from michigan i don't know about kingstown michigan yeah yeah there isn't it's fictitious town okay there we go i was i thought either one slid by me or no no there's a kingston a prison town in ontario just above toronto okay it is a fictitious town because there are many towns that are prison towns and they became towns because they built around this prison.

[880] Prisons are typically put out somewhere in society away from people, but then towns grow around them because people work in the prison, people are all waiting for their boyfriends to come out of the prison.

[881] So towns just end up building around them somehow.

[882] They're like a military base.

[883] Yeah, exactly.

[884] And this town has many, many prisons in it.

[885] And I, as an official mayor, is just a guy that greases the wheels of all the inner workings of a prison town from the leaders of gangs, prisoners themselves, the guards, everybody within the prison and outside the prison, the cops, and how to just keep everything fluid and moving, turn your head the other way, allow the tennis ball of drugs to go over the wall, because this is going to happen, just keep to peace.

[886] Yeah, yeah, you're like a fixer for all that.

[887] Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[888] But it's got like a couple different vibes.

[889] It's got like a Sopranos vibe.

[890] Yeah, little good fellas.

[891] Yeah, little good fellas.

[892] And it has a lot of emotional depth, too, that really...

[893] It's a 10 -hour film.

[894] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[895] It's not episodic television.

[896] I personally would never watch this waiting for the next week, personally.

[897] I would wait for it all come out so I can watch the first five hours and then watch the next five hours because that's how it reads on paper.

[898] It burns, you just keep turning the pages in the sucker.

[899] And the creator came from what show?

[900] Taylor Sheridan.

[901] So he did Sicario and...

[902] You know, hell or high water.

[903] I did Wooden River with him.

[904] Yeah.

[905] And then he did Yellowstone.

[906] There we go, Yellowstone.

[907] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[908] So.

[909] Yeah, all of his stuff feels very, very legit.

[910] Yeah, yeah.

[911] And this is the only thing that's a departure from his typical landscape, which is more rural and horses and all that kind of stuff.

[912] This is, like, much more urban in prisons and that sort of thing.

[913] But still the same kind of storytelling, which is very, very romantic, poetic and sensitive as it is visceral and violent and in your face.

[914] unapologetic and it's human yeah right you could be the most tender loving father but you know if someone's fucking with your daughter you're gonna be the most violent torturous man right all that sort of part of humanity and that's what he that's what he does in in his writing is beautiful it's super honest it always has a deeper theme ours about what happens in the prisons and the atrocities that happen within them and like well in the system itself right the industrial complex is fucking shady as hell privatized business Yeah, that's incentivized to put people in prison.

[915] That's a little dicey.

[916] A business's goal should be less prisoners, not more prisoners.

[917] As you were saying, you like to self -police yourself, and to me, you seem someone who's pretty fucking self -aware.

[918] I look for these markers of who I really am, because I have a whole story about who I am.

[919] Half of it's, I'm way worse than I really am, and half it's I'm way better than I really am.

[920] I'm not ever accurately in the middle.

[921] But one of the things I would use is, like, people who have worked with me want, like to work with me again.

[922] Right.

[923] So does that give you esteem to know that you did this movie so many years ago and that this person still wants to be in the rack with you making stuff?

[924] Yeah, yeah.

[925] Like, the reason why I did the show, I didn't read one word of his script.

[926] Uh -huh.

[927] And I said yes to this series.

[928] Yeah.

[929] Why we appreciate each other so much because we're no nonsense.

[930] We're pragmatic.

[931] We get it done.

[932] There's a lot of similarities that we share as artists.

[933] We're on a congruent sort of journey.

[934] And so that's why I said, yes.

[935] He pitched me the idea.

[936] I'm like, oh, it sounds dope.

[937] Let's go do it.

[938] But if he said, hey, I'm going to do the phone book.

[939] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[940] I'm doing an Arby's commercial.

[941] We're going to do five of them.

[942] Yeah, let's go do it.

[943] Yeah.

[944] Are you easy to direct or hard to direct?

[945] I don't know.

[946] Yeah, I guess you'd have to direct.

[947] I kind of self -direct.

[948] Right.

[949] Because most of the direction will come from communicating before you start shooting.

[950] Right, right, right.

[951] Let's get on the same page.

[952] I've done that with Catherine.

[953] I say, Catherine, or any director I work with, how do you want the audience to feel after bought that ticket and the credits are rolling when they walk out of the theater?

[954] Do you want them sitting in that theater still?

[955] Do you want them skipping out?

[956] What's the conversation going to happen after?

[957] This is the makeup.

[958] Once we get on that page, now this director knows I'm on their side and their vision.

[959] Trying to help them.

[960] Because I'm here to help tell the story, we're still telling it for audiences.

[961] Yeah.

[962] Right?

[963] Get out of your own goddamn way as a director, just making it about you and your vision and it's all about me. No, it's not dickhead.

[964] Right?

[965] This is for other people to consume, right?

[966] So you have to at least consider.

[967] Now, you have to be very clear about what you want as a director, of course, or anybody does about anything they do, but you still have to consider.

[968] You're making a product.

[969] There's people that are going to put this in their mouths, right?

[970] You have to understand who your audience is and...

[971] How come you haven't directed?

[972] It sounds like you're a fucking control -free.

[973] It's not even control -free.

[974] It's like, I allow everyone to be the best in everything that they do.

[975] Not what you just described yourself on sat, but a man who's managing 30 fucking pumps.

[976] Yeah.

[977] That's a control freak.

[978] I can't control those things.

[979] I have other people doing that.

[980] I can't be bothered.

[981] I had a firefighter go out there and winterize all those things.

[982] Someone who wants to remodel houses.

[983] Listen, you like things.

[984] I like to build and output.

[985] That's what I do.

[986] Okay, okay.

[987] Now, when I do those things, yeah, there's some level of control in there.

[988] Right, right.

[989] The only control I have in my life is my perspective.

[990] brother, and so do you.

[991] And that is it in perpetuity.

[992] You have control of nothing else.

[993] Yeah.

[994] Where are you getting this stuff from?

[995] All my insights generally come from AA in some way or another, because I've been there for 17 years.

[996] Okay.

[997] Do you go to therapy?

[998] Like, do you read self -help books?

[999] How do you have this, your clarity of vision, all this?

[1000] Where does it come from?

[1001] All those things come from self -awareness of like, look, I was a psychology major, right?

[1002] There you go.

[1003] That helps.

[1004] And I apply all those learnings and teachings into a job itself, right?

[1005] Because it's psychological to embody another human, right?

[1006] It all comes from human behavior, right?

[1007] And I output it in a physical way, not just talk about it, sit in a chair like we are now, and let me tell me about your problems or your dreams or let me express them.

[1008] No, I express them and I live in them from another perspective and another human, right?

[1009] So I'm constantly doing it all the time.

[1010] That already purges a lot of different feelings and stuff I have.

[1011] But in a pragmatic way, like my father is a theologist, we would speak all the time in very, very psychological terms and emotional terms.

[1012] It's just how we communicate.

[1013] It's how I communicate with most of my friends in a very deeply emotional, passionate place.

[1014] And maybe everyone in a while, I'll fart joke.

[1015] But otherwise, you know, it's a...

[1016] They're needed.

[1017] Yeah, they're needed.

[1018] You gotta relieve the tension.

[1019] You gotta cut the tension.

[1020] Maybe part of the confidence is that self -awareness.

[1021] Otherwise, what the fuck are you doing?

[1022] You're just an electron.

[1023] You have to be the nucleus of what you're doing.

[1024] You have to build a foundation.

[1025] on concrete so the house can be erected right those basic principles so all that and everything i do starts with that oh my god this is my this might be my first rugged crush i think i got out rugged it today jeremy it's been awesome having you here i hope everyone checks out mayor at kingston i'm definitely watching it it's on paramount it streams on paramount right yeah paramount plus yeah november 14th and they'll play the first two hour so episode one and two together And then it'll come out weekly after that.

[1026] And there's 10 of them.

[1027] And it's tremendous.

[1028] We're in.

[1029] We're in, we're in, we're in.

[1030] We'll give some feedback.

[1031] Jeremy's so awesome to finally sit down with you, and not over Instagram.

[1032] And good luck collecting fire engines.

[1033] Really quick.

[1034] Do you go to these military fucking?

[1035] Yeah, I've done those.

[1036] I've got some military rigs.

[1037] You can get these fucking Humvees and...

[1038] Even the...

[1039] Heavy -duty shit.

[1040] Oh, I got two from the Air Force.

[1041] Yeah.

[1042] Those are the big eight by eights.

[1043] Yes, I have friends that are getting these things for like $6 ,000 with 150 miles.

[1044] It went down to Guam and never got driven and now it's for free.

[1045] 100%.

[1046] Yeah, it holds 4 ,000 gallons of water.

[1047] Yeah.

[1048] And it's an 8 by 8 and it's got turrets on it.

[1049] Oh, top and middle.

[1050] So you don't have to get out of the truck.

[1051] You can just go plow wherever you want to go.

[1052] And blast.

[1053] Blast.

[1054] I'll be texting you about makeup.

[1055] And I'm going to ask if you want to go in on a D9.

[1056] bulldozer.

[1057] All right, brother.

[1058] Have a good one.

[1059] Stay tuned for more armchair expert, if you dare.

[1060] And now my favorite part of the show, the fact check with my soulmate Monica Padman.

[1061] Welcome to the fact check.

[1062] We have a very special fact check today.

[1063] Last we checked in with you guys, Dax was going to his trip, and we thought maybe we could do a fact check from the beach, potentially in the water, high risk, high reward, but they have absolutely no service in Mexico.

[1064] So very sorry.

[1065] We will not be giving you a from the beach fact check, but we have something very special to offer you.

[1066] Who's here?

[1067] Jessica.

[1068] Jessica's here.

[1069] How are you, Jess?

[1070] I'm great.

[1071] I'm excited.

[1072] I'm super nervous about season two.

[1073] I know.

[1074] Yeah.

[1075] So Jess is going to fill in for docs for the fact check.

[1076] We're still going to talk about Jeremy's facts, but also we obviously have a big project coming up.

[1077] Yes.

[1078] Season two of Monica and Jess.

[1079] And what are you the most excited about?

[1080] And then what are you the most scared of?

[1081] Of the unknown.

[1082] I feel like season one was very organized.

[1083] And I knew this was going to happen.

[1084] This one, this one, and this one, I have no idea.

[1085] There's applications.

[1086] There's going to be Zoom dates.

[1087] There's going to be real dates.

[1088] You know, people could not like us.

[1089] We could not like them.

[1090] It's real dating in real time, and it's bananas.

[1091] And what I'm most excited about is just being open to actually going on real dates and being committed.

[1092] This last year has been a little slippery slope for me. I think I went back a little bit, maybe two, what's the saying two steps forward, 15 steps back, three steps left.

[1093] No, I have been dating and I've been having sex.

[1094] I've been doing both.

[1095] I think you've made a lot of progress.

[1096] Yes.

[1097] But you have had a lot of sex lately.

[1098] Well, which is fine.

[1099] But then I also remember, there's been at least three guys that I've gone on four or five dates with.

[1100] Yes.

[1101] So I'm really good at multitasking.

[1102] You can hold two things at once.

[1103] Yeah.

[1104] You know, the year off sex was really interesting.

[1105] And then the last year, yeah, I think I'm in a good place.

[1106] I feel the healthiest I've ever felt.

[1107] I'm the happiest I've ever been.

[1108] Work is going really well.

[1109] And I look really good.

[1110] He looks really good, you guys.

[1111] I mean, look, I think it's vulnerable and maybe helpful to people to know at the beginning of 2021, you were kind of put in a position to make some changes.

[1112] Yes, the circumstance of the decision isn't really important.

[1113] I don't think it was the way it made me feel was more important.

[1114] So I just have a tendency to overindulge.

[1115] And we've talked about this many times.

[1116] Yeah.

[1117] And with COVID happening and then my dad dying and I just think the drinking and eating and just overall happiness was just at a seventh gear or a sixth gear.

[1118] No consequences, no DUIs, no work issues.

[1119] But just I don't think I was in a happy place a year ago.

[1120] And I had a shift.

[1121] You had just an inward shift.

[1122] You were like, I want to be better or healthier or I want to feel better.

[1123] I mean, it's all part of this whole journey of us bettering ourselves, I think.

[1124] And you really have.

[1125] I think this last year has been, like, crazy.

[1126] Mostly because I didn't want to feel like that anymore.

[1127] And it wasn't just food and booze.

[1128] It was my outlook on my friendships and the admiration I have for different people.

[1129] And work, too, like, being a waiter for many years, I didn't think that was something that, like, I was proud of.

[1130] And I've shifted that as well.

[1131] And I'm more proud of that.

[1132] You have self -esteem.

[1133] It's you guys and the people I look up to admire making me listen, you know.

[1134] And that was a hard time a year ago.

[1135] And I felt I don't want to feel like this again.

[1136] And there's only been two or three times in my life, I think getting cut from the groundlings and then breaking up with Ben.

[1137] That's his real name, Ben.

[1138] Are we outing him?

[1139] Yes, his real name is Ben, not Greg.

[1140] And I go, I'm going to do whatever I have to do to never feel.

[1141] like this again.

[1142] And it's just small things.

[1143] It's not big, huge changes, but I can't believe now that I have a year to look back, how good I feel.

[1144] Yeah, I feel like you've made such incredible changes, little ones, and not even once that I, before I was like, Jess needs to change that.

[1145] Just needs to do this.

[1146] Just need, no, I wasn't thinking that at all, but now seeing you and seeing how happy you are and how confident you are right now and just self -assured.

[1147] It's, It's new, and I think it's awesome.

[1148] Thank you.

[1149] I think you said a couple months ago, you're like, you're not going to finish that glass of wine?

[1150] I'm like, I'm good.

[1151] I'm full.

[1152] Yeah, I'm like, wow, brand new, brand new information.

[1153] I just have to commend you because I think you've been really committed.

[1154] Diligent.

[1155] Diligent, exactly.

[1156] And not just food and booze.

[1157] It's like, it's something different.

[1158] It's, I want to be a better person.

[1159] I want to be more likable.

[1160] I want to be someone that people will.

[1161] want to be around.

[1162] And that was a different shift that there's no kind of book on there.

[1163] It's not black or white.

[1164] I just each moment in my life, I don't know.

[1165] I try to be more impressive.

[1166] Not like to show off, but just to be the best person I can be.

[1167] Is that right?

[1168] No. That's what, I mean, that is ultimately what we all should be doing.

[1169] That's what the point of season one, Monica and Jess was, is like, we have issues and we need to work on them and we got to be I got them too.

[1170] Oh, so flat.

[1171] And I can look at you when you sing.

[1172] Although it got better during the Christmas special at Dax sing Elvis's Rudolph, I guess.

[1173] And I could watch because he wasn't looking at me. He was looking at the lyrics.

[1174] You watched the whole time.

[1175] I did.

[1176] And I actually really enjoyed it.

[1177] Oh my God.

[1178] So you've had progress too this year?

[1179] Yeah, that's what I'm here to say.

[1180] I'm better too.

[1181] Yeah.

[1182] Do you want to report anything?

[1183] I mean, I'm kind of sad to say that I don't think that.

[1184] Like, I don't think I'm, I've been like bettering myself this year or pushing myself in ways that I should.

[1185] And I hope to, this upcoming year, once Monica and Jess ended and COVID happened, I stopped.

[1186] Totally, totally reverted back to my safe space.

[1187] And in your defense, COVID was a big part of that.

[1188] Yeah, it was.

[1189] It was.

[1190] And we have a friend who met her husband in COVID.

[1191] of it.

[1192] Like, it could, you know.

[1193] Okay, okay.

[1194] I shouldn't try to give you a excuse.

[1195] No, I'm not going to let myself either.

[1196] Great.

[1197] I've not pushed myself.

[1198] I felt like I had so much momentum after Monica Jess season one.

[1199] And then it just deflated.

[1200] Like, I didn't really hold myself accountable.

[1201] And so I'm really excited for season two.

[1202] I'm scared it's going to happen again.

[1203] Like, I'm going to just repeat the process of making it work instead of.

[1204] a personal exploration.

[1205] But I think it's a muscle that you do repeatedly, just like the gym or anything like that.

[1206] And then your life has dates in them.

[1207] Yeah.

[1208] They don't have dates in them now.

[1209] I know.

[1210] So let's just say we went on 15 dates in season two.

[1211] That is in your body that you could like, well, maybe I should do this.

[1212] Yeah.

[1213] It's just like you're drinking coffee now.

[1214] I mean, the armchair is no about that.

[1215] But Jess has joined me on my coffee date, Thanksgiving, the longest line.

[1216] Anyway, I am really excited to weirdly be uncomfortable again in that space.

[1217] And I'm scared of it.

[1218] I'm scared of being uncomfortable.

[1219] It's all the same.

[1220] Like, I'm excited and scared of the same thing.

[1221] If we are looking at each other's applications, can we look at their pictures?

[1222] Yeah.

[1223] Okay.

[1224] Yeah.

[1225] Okay.

[1226] Yeah.

[1227] So one of the rules is that we aren't looking at pictures first for the first round.

[1228] Just applications.

[1229] personality.

[1230] Going on personality.

[1231] And to be fair, that was mainly a rule for desk to put in place.

[1232] What?

[1233] But I thought it was a really good idea to start like that.

[1234] Obviously, quickly, we will see them and see pictures.

[1235] You also have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of applications.

[1236] Yeah, and we haven't gone through any yet.

[1237] Right.

[1238] And like we sat on this for so long.

[1239] I'm sure owning my own shit, I mean, we have had a crazy 2021 work work.

[1240] But also, it's scary.

[1241] I know.

[1242] It's easy to push.

[1243] It's easy to prioritize other things in front of it.

[1244] And so I'm not going to do that.

[1245] But we haven't looked at the applications.

[1246] So we're going to, when are we going to tomorrow?

[1247] Yeah, this week.

[1248] This week.

[1249] And then are we going to have some friends weigh in?

[1250] Way in.

[1251] Yep.

[1252] We're going to do that for the first episode.

[1253] You guys will hear some of our friends go through applications with us who know us well, who will be able to call us out.

[1254] Right.

[1255] We'll go through some of these with you guys and move forward.

[1256] It's exciting.

[1257] It's so scary.

[1258] Scalwy.

[1259] But anyway, I'm proud of you.

[1260] I love you.

[1261] And I love you.

[1262] And I'm excited to do this again with you because it's just fun talking to you.

[1263] It's fun of talking to you.

[1264] Should I go through some facts?

[1265] Yeah.

[1266] Okay.

[1267] So this was Jeremy Renner.

[1268] How do you feel about Jeremy Renner?

[1269] I met Jeremy Renner.

[1270] You have?

[1271] Yes.

[1272] I think 15 years ago, we had a mutual.

[1273] Like, Jeremy Renner plays the piano and sings, right?

[1274] Plays the piano and sing?

[1275] He's, yes.

[1276] Sing the cartoon?

[1277] Jeremy Renner is Hawkeye, right?

[1278] Yeah.

[1279] Right.

[1280] So, God, I hope I'm not wrong in this.

[1281] Years and years and years ago, I met him through Allison Porter.

[1282] She was Curly Sue and then another friend named Clark Anderson, and they were all singers.

[1283] And he got on the piano and played and sang at one, a party.

[1284] that I was in.

[1285] And I've met him through karaoke and stuff like that.

[1286] This was so long ago.

[1287] Oh, my God.

[1288] That did not come up on this interview.

[1289] That he sings.

[1290] Let me real -time fact check.

[1291] Jeremy Renner sings.

[1292] I think he was also in the view and sing.

[1293] Wait.

[1294] I don't know how much.

[1295] Oh, my God.

[1296] Wait, actually, yeah.

[1297] Hold on.

[1298] Hold on.

[1299] Oh, this is him.

[1300] He's playing the piano.

[1301] Wow, okay, yeah, yeah.

[1302] Yes, you're right.

[1303] What a small world.

[1304] Oh, man, I still am 95 % sure, but like 5 % of me thinks it's another actor that looks like him, but I could have sworn.

[1305] It probably is.

[1306] I mean, this is him by the piano.

[1307] But he was on the view and played on the view.

[1308] Okay, should I love it?

[1309] He was on the view and played and sang a song called For Us.

[1310] Called My World?

[1311] My World was a Clark Anderson song who I knew, who wrote that.

[1312] Oh, my God.

[1313] Yeah, this is nine years ago.

[1314] Yeah?

[1315] Only Barry Mamelow does this here.

[1316] I know.

[1317] You know, we can't think back up.

[1318] And David Forster.

[1319] I know, I'm not a piano player.

[1320] But this is a song I wrote a little while back.

[1321] It's called My World.

[1322] I play a little.

[1323] Yeah, he did.

[1324] He wrote that with Kirk.

[1325] He's right.

[1326] I hate you guys.

[1327] I know the song.

[1328] I know the song.

[1329] He has a nice voice.

[1330] I'm looking for the mask I hide behind.

[1331] So then how'd you go and rain on this parade?

[1332] Oh my God.

[1333] Jess is your favorite song.

[1334] Wow.

[1335] Okay.

[1336] That was good.

[1337] That was a revelation.

[1338] We did not talk about that all on the show.

[1339] But I'm not that surprised because he had all these hidden talents.

[1340] He was a makeup artist to tap.

[1341] Like, he was very well -rounded.

[1342] Renaissancee.

[1343] Renaissance.

[1344] Very Renaissance.

[1345] Yeah, I liked him so much.

[1346] She was a big surprise.

[1347] I thought he was going to come in and be like super macho.

[1348] And for lack of better words, like stereotypically like masculine, rugged.

[1349] We talked about rugged in this episode.

[1350] And he just wasn't.

[1351] He was totally warm.

[1352] He was really cool.

[1353] Okay, let's see about my facts.

[1354] Let me look at my computer.

[1355] I feel like there's flam in my throat when I'm talking.

[1356] You're fine.

[1357] Do you want some water or anything?

[1358] No, I'm good.

[1359] You just...

[1360] You don't want it to be like that for season two.

[1361] You will.

[1362] Oh, you're fine.

[1363] Am I because of your COVID?

[1364] Yeah.

[1365] Well, I had a headache for three days, but I realized it was because I took a cock bomb.

[1366] What's that?

[1367] Half Viagra, half Cialis.

[1368] And it gave me a headache for three days.

[1369] Was that on...

[1370] Did you hear that?

[1371] I thought it was.

[1372] Okay.

[1373] Some fackies for Jeremy.

[1374] So he said he thought 90 % of almonds come from the central vows.

[1375] And what I see is that 80 % of the world's almonds come from California in general.

[1376] So I can't be 90 % just in the Central Valley.

[1377] Okay.

[1378] Zero one.

[1379] Also, this is kind of interesting.

[1380] 10 % of California's water is guzzled up by almonds.

[1381] Oh.

[1382] I think that's why some people are against almond milk.

[1383] Right.

[1384] I've tried to make it once in my Vitamix.

[1385] it was disaster, but I like that you can.

[1386] Oh, you tried to make it?

[1387] Yeah, and it just takes a lot of water.

[1388] Oh, do you want to tell people about your air fryer?

[1389] That's a new, an update.

[1390] Well, my roommate had the air fryer for a while.

[1391] I'm like, I'm not using that.

[1392] Like, I like ovens.

[1393] And then now I'm just absolutely obsessed.

[1394] Tell them what you did.

[1395] Tell them what you did.

[1396] What do you mean what I did?

[1397] Tell them the big mistake you made.

[1398] Oh, eggs.

[1399] Guys, don't put eggs in the air fryer.

[1400] He cracked eggs.

[1401] No, no, no, I mixed.

[1402] I was like ground turkey seasoning, vegetables, three eggs.

[1403] And then so I mixed it all around, thought, oh, the eggs are going to be in there.

[1404] And then it just splattered everywhere.

[1405] You cannot put eggs, cracked eggs in there.

[1406] But my ground turkey and my vegetables and my panchette noodles and any leftovers.

[1407] So any leftovers from family meal at my work, beefs, chickens, bell peppers.

[1408] Can you tell us about family meal?

[1409] So in the morning, we come on.

[1410] and work a lunch shift, but because the kitchen guys have been there since eight, they get a big meal at 10, and there's always leftovers for us.

[1411] So it can be a fish soup.

[1412] It's never something on the menu.

[1413] No, no, no, no. It's homemade, homemade, homemade, very, like a fish soup a lot.

[1414] A lot of black beans.

[1415] No, the fish soup, because there's a head in it sometimes.

[1416] I'm like, oh, there's the corn, and then there's a full head of fish.

[1417] But black beans a lot, and then they'll do an Asian stir fry.

[1418] I don't know where that came from.

[1419] really great.

[1420] And my new thing with my eating is that I make a really big meal in the morning and then it's all three meals.

[1421] Oh, I see.

[1422] You portion it out.

[1423] Yeah.

[1424] Yeah, that's nice.

[1425] Okay, the pizza guy Patrick Dempsey movie.

[1426] Do you know what it's called?

[1427] Not, can't buy me love.

[1428] He was a pizza boy in it.

[1429] And then he was like kind of like selling his body, I guess.

[1430] Yeah, I remember that genre.

[1431] Yep.

[1432] But I don't remember the name.

[1433] Lover boy.

[1434] Lover boy.

[1435] It's called Loverboy, 1989.

[1436] I was a mere two years old.

[1437] I was 12.

[1438] 44 % on Rotten Tomatoes.

[1439] How many Marvel movies are there?

[1440] Oh, man. You think 16.

[1441] Okay.

[1442] 27.

[1443] Wow.

[1444] Because there's a lot of these How to Watch all 27 Marvel movies in the correct order.

[1445] Oh.

[1446] That could be a fun 2020 resolution.

[1447] I'm good.

[1448] Okay.

[1449] Okay.

[1450] Okay.

[1451] And then Jeremy, he has all these fire trucks.

[1452] Real ones?

[1453] Yes.

[1454] He's like repurposed.

[1455] Some of them are being used still for firefighting.

[1456] And some are for birthday parties.

[1457] No. Yep.

[1458] Like he comes in and he's dressed like that and then he gives waffles?

[1459] No, I don't think he's dressed like that.

[1460] No, he's like repurposed the whole thing.

[1461] There's like, you know, ice cream machine in there.

[1462] Oh, okay.

[1463] It's like a party bus, but for kids' birthday parties.

[1464] That's amazing.

[1465] Very exciting.

[1466] But then we talked a lot about fires, and he said he didn't know the percentage difference between fire causes, like human error versus lightning.

[1467] So I wanted to look at percentage fires caused by human error.

[1468] Caused by humans.

[1469] You think you're the first one to ever Google something, and then it just pops right up, you know?

[1470] Yeah, first.

[1471] Most wildfires are human -caused.

[1472] 88 % on average from 2016 to 2020 although the wildfires caused by lightning tend to be slightly larger and burn more 55 % of the average burn from 2016 to 220 was ignited by lightning okay that's interesting so more of an impact with lightning but more times with human error okay how do you feel who is right Dax or all these oh no one made a claim on that, to be fair.

[1473] He was just like, I don't know, so I have to look it up.

[1474] That's my job.

[1475] That's it for the facts.

[1476] Oh, but it was fun?

[1477] Was it, it was really fun?

[1478] It was, it was in person.

[1479] It was, it was in person.

[1480] And he was awesome.

[1481] And he says he's going to do my makeup someday and I can't wait.

[1482] Can't wait.

[1483] Maybe for my first date for Monica and Jess.

[1484] Okay.

[1485] And you're going to wear that dress, too, that black dress to something.

[1486] Oh, I have a sexy new outfit.

[1487] Yeah, it's really hot.

[1488] It's not a dress, actually.

[1489] It's pants, which packed.

[1490] would probably not approve of.

[1491] But it's like, it's pants and then the top is long sleeve, turtleneck, see -through.

[1492] Hot.

[1493] Yeah, it is.

[1494] It is.

[1495] I'm not going to let anyone tell me it's not.

[1496] Yeah.

[1497] And I am going to wear it at one point during the process.

[1498] We're going to have to have a double date at some time.

[1499] Yeah, that's in the mix.

[1500] We have a base outline right now of what these episodes are going to be, but we'll also see, like, you know, we're going to be organic about it.

[1501] Yeah, Organica.

[1502] Okay, you're on your way to work.

[1503] You're going to Houston's.

[1504] I'm probably going to come because I want tomato soup.

[1505] Should we tell people the hack about tomato soup and grilled cheese?

[1506] Well, grilled cheese is a keith item.

[1507] So a keith item means something that they can still make that's not on the menu.

[1508] So you go, can I have a grilled cheese?

[1509] And they have to say yes.

[1510] And it's Jack and cheddar and amazing bread and buttered.

[1511] Kids can get four pieces, adults, six pieces.

[1512] And the creamy tomato soup is made with coconut milk and honey and crack.

[1513] pepper and it's just it's a i don't like saying bisque because bisk seems too creamy but it's really nice and she came in and sat in my section a couple weeks ago and just sat there by herself and ate a tomato soup and grill cheese and watched me and i'm going to do it again yeah in five minutes i'm so excited um i love you thanks for joining me this was fun and this is just get my voice ready i haven't done this for a while yeah pallet cleanser yeah pallet cleanser for the big the big charade i'm really excited guys i love you love you love you Follow Armchair Expert on the Wondry app, Amazon music, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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