406 - My Husband's Lovely Wife

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hello.

[2] And welcome to my favorite murder.

[3] That's Georgia Hartstark.

[4] Hey, that's Karen Kilgariff.

[5] And we're here to provide you with some true crime stories, the tough stuff, and then some observations that are neither professional nor very well informed.

[6] Are you into it?

[7] Apparently you are, because you breast play.

[8] Too late, you're already in.

[9] Yeah, or your sister?

[10] pressed play.

[11] You're in the car.

[12] You're on a road trip.

[13] It's December now.

[14] Your girlfriend.

[15] Forced play.

[16] Sorry.

[17] Sorry.

[18] It's going to be like this from now on.

[19] It's December now.

[20] That's correct.

[21] Are you excited about the holidays?

[22] Yes.

[23] Thank you for asking.

[24] I am up to my ears and catalogs that I can't stop lightly thumbing through.

[25] And the rule now is if I'm going to to buy something for myself.

[26] I have to buy at least two other people in my family a gift.

[27] Oh, that's sweet.

[28] And right now I'm looking at, because in my office is my gift pile.

[29] Oh, I think I might have one quarter of my Christmas shopping already done.

[30] You guys do hardcore presents.

[31] Like everyone has to get everyone a gift.

[32] Oh yeah.

[33] That's a lot of pressure.

[34] It is.

[35] I don't do that.

[36] But my brother and his wife might do that.

[37] And then they come over and give me like a little Lancombe hand cream set.

[38] And I'm like, I thought we didn't do this every year.

[39] Every year I have to apologize and said, I thought we don't do this.

[40] That's because your husband's lovely wife.

[41] Tell me your name again.

[42] My husband's lovely wife is Georgia.

[43] No. And she is lovely.

[44] And she is me. Yolanda.

[45] Your sister.

[46] Yeah.

[47] Your sister -in -law, Yolanda.

[48] You know that your brother would be like, no problem.

[49] We won't do it next year.

[50] And then Yolanda is like, absolutely not.

[51] That's not what we're like.

[52] Yeah, she makes our family look good.

[53] And then we just passed my older nephew, a hundee, a crisp hundy, dollar bill.

[54] He must love you so much.

[55] I mean, we're the best.

[56] And then, yeah, that's it.

[57] Well, we don't do that.

[58] I'm glad.

[59] I don't, yeah, it seems like a lot of pressure to get people's stuff they might not want.

[60] Oh, absolutely.

[61] That's why some families exchange gift lists beforehand and you just, it's basically, for Christmas, you run errands for the other people and get them what they want.

[62] And they know they're getting it and then they get it.

[63] That's not what my family does either.

[64] You have to...

[65] They don't make it easy.

[66] No. Before, during, or after.

[67] You have to get them exactly what their heart's desire is.

[68] But they won't tell you what it is.

[69] They absolutely would never tell you.

[70] We don't know ourselves.

[71] I'll play both parts here.

[72] You don't know as the shopper.

[73] You have no idea as the receiver.

[74] You just want someone to do it right for once.

[75] So it's cashmere slippers.

[76] A lot of cashmere, a lot of slippers.

[77] What about a match?

[78] magazine subscription for the year.

[79] That's a great, great suggestion.

[80] That's a really good idea.

[81] Plant club, plant of the month, and they send you a new plant every month.

[82] I really love that one.

[83] Wait, did you get a holiday job suggesting presents?

[84] I'm writing Vogue's 15 holiday presents for people you don't know what to get.

[85] That's not true.

[86] You turn it in and you're like plants and they're like, Georgia, we do need a little more specificity in this list.

[87] And I just start screaming it.

[88] Slippers.

[89] What do you mean specificity?

[90] I dare you to go over there with $50 and scratchers for each person.

[91] And that's fucking it that year for you.

[92] That's actually, I think that both my sister and my father would love that.

[93] Now, would my niece be allowed to play?

[94] What's the age limit on the lottery?

[95] It's gambling.

[96] It's whatever gambling age is.

[97] 18, I guess.

[98] 21.

[99] What do you got this week?

[100] I guess my one thing is I went to my first Christmas party of the season.

[101] Oh, wow.

[102] Yeah.

[103] pretty early, really fun.

[104] And also just like the first party I've been to in, I don't know, four years or something, like a really long time.

[105] Did you socialize?

[106] I did.

[107] Did you get dressed up?

[108] I, yeah, in the way that I do where I kind of look like 60s and Margaret.

[109] So it's kind of like a tighter pant with a V -neck sweater.

[110] It's like the fashion black clothes instead of the everyday black clothes.

[111] Exactly.

[112] I'm not pretending that I'm about to work out.

[113] I'm pretending that I'm, you know, somehow classy that you're leaving the house those are my two looks i love it that's perfect always pretending i'm nervous about our erm holiday party yeah like because we don't work in an office so we don't do face -to -face stuff we haven't met out of our many many employees other than on zoom right we haven't met them in person and we have what like it's like 35 36 people now yep so that's a lot but the good news is your idea held over from i think the last Christmas party, which was we're using name tags again so that you don't have to deal with the pressure of how dare you not remember.

[114] Thank God.

[115] I have a quick book wreck.

[116] It's a quick like, who done it?

[117] Strong female detective lead.

[118] Yes.

[119] There's a lot of trigger warnings that I should say in it that you've got to look up yourself.

[120] However, it takes place in Northern California.

[121] Some of it in Petaluma.

[122] No. Because aside from the fictitious crime, were chasing, it's at the same time that probably class is kidnapping is happening.

[123] Oh.

[124] So that gets mentioned and brought in.

[125] Other real true crimes get brought in.

[126] Well, that's the story I told on this podcast.

[127] Remember, I told you that there was the part where the kids at the junior high when they found out that she was missing, they picked up the missing posters and ran out into the street, just ran out of the school.

[128] And it was like downtown, all of a sudden there was children everywhere, putting posters everywhere.

[129] I remember that.

[130] That's in the book.

[131] Is it?

[132] Yeah.

[133] So someone on Instagram named Emily Drydoll told me to read this book.

[134] It's called When the Stars Go Dark by Paula McClain.

[135] And Paula McLean is like a great crime writer.

[136] So it's a quickie.

[137] I got into it and out of it real fast listening to it.

[138] If you're, you know, on a road trip or going to see your family or whatever, I need something to listen to.

[139] It's a good one.

[140] I wonder if Paula McLean is from Sonoma County.

[141] It takes place in Mendocino and she mentions in the end that she lived there for a while in her 20s.

[142] So probably, yeah.

[143] Wow.

[144] That sounds great.

[145] I'm reading a very scary book right now, but I'll wait until I'm done.

[146] That's my push to actually continue to read is you can't talk about it until you finish it.

[147] You phony because you'll just talk about it and never look at the book again.

[148] But it's real good.

[149] You don't have to finish a book to like a book, right?

[150] True, but like if we're going to do book recommendations.

[151] Yeah.

[152] It's like, hey, I read the first seven pages.

[153] It's amazing.

[154] Like, I would absolutely do that if we could get away with it.

[155] But like, are you getting joy from the first half of it?

[156] That joy doesn't go away because it sucks at the end.

[157] True, but I do feel like especially authors would feel like the entire experience is the crucial part of the recommendation.

[158] Like, do you know what you're talking about ultimately?

[159] Mm -hmm.

[160] Okay.

[161] That's just a restriction I'm keeping on myself.

[162] Okay.

[163] Fair enough.

[164] Should we do a Spotify conversation?

[165] I mean, this is kind of like we're about to do a thing that we've never really done before, which is like, like old school radio station shoutouts like people are writing in here's their shoutouts but it's basically you guys have all all of our listeners every year send us their Spotify wrapped when their numbers for our podcast are really high to go look what i'm doing for you people yeah can i have a little bit of credit for how much time i spend with you listening to you that's right and we really appreciate all the Spotify wrap 2023 posts that we got so we thought we'd read a couple tweets from listeners in their number of minutes.

[166] Yes.

[167] Give them the credit that they have earned.

[168] Okay.

[169] My first one is bruised tea leaf at Wane, W -A -H -H -H -N -A -Y.

[170] Listen to 15 ,958 minutes of my favorite murder.

[171] Wow.

[172] Can you believe it?

[173] I can.

[174] Although, let's just do you one better.

[175] This is from at Live Boardman, L -I -V -V -V.

[176] Boardman, who says, at my favorite murder, I've spent the equivalent of 20 days straight listening this year, still have one year's worth of episodes left till I'm up to date.

[177] Live listened for 28 ,350 minutes.

[178] Oh, my God.

[179] And they're a top 0 .5 % fan.

[180] Thank you.

[181] I mean, it is fun to know the stat.

[182] Oh, yeah.

[183] I didn't see that.

[184] It is.

[185] Falcon at Falcon Lord Zero.

[186] The Falcon Lord listens.

[187] They listen to 73 ,172 minutes of my favorite murder.

[188] That's amazing.

[189] Thank you.

[190] Well, then, you know what?

[191] Now I realize that Aaron put these together almost in ascending order because this last one is from Vanessa at Cry Bix B in Jr. Vanessa says, the math is telling me this is equivalent to 1 ,689 hours.

[192] of listening to us and then it just says I just love you all so much it says you've listened for 101 ,375 minutes Oh my God you must talk to yourself in our voices now I feel like because that's what I would do like when I listen to something for a long time yeah like I narrate my life in the voices of whatever I'm listening to in the style just please be careful Vanessa I don't I've been having to listen to this voice for 50 plus years it's not great It's going to turn on you at some point.

[193] Just get ready.

[194] Question the advice that your brain is giving you because it might be our advice, which, as we've said, multiple times, is not always sound.

[195] No, certainly not professional.

[196] Right.

[197] Not professional.

[198] Not learned.

[199] Not any of it.

[200] But it's from the heart.

[201] It is.

[202] And we appreciate you.

[203] Should we switch right over to the ERM highlights?

[204] Sure.

[205] Let's do it.

[206] Let's do it.

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[259] all right well I'm first this week okay I'm telling you not asking you I've I've decided it's okay that you go first this week and then for the rest of the month after the this normal episode we're doing like quickies but they're not quick they're still like long episodes very long and normal right so we just don't have an opening and then one of us tells together a story each episode but they're still great we did some really great stories in there Harvey Malk.

[260] Yeah, I just did the Leavenworth Prison Break.

[261] I mean, look, we don't have to make excuses.

[262] There's some podcasts that completely disappear for the two holiday months.

[263] So, like, we're still here with you, giving you fresh new content.

[264] You're going to love it.

[265] And they're slightly shorter, but then at the same time, in a lot of ways, not at all.

[266] Yeah.

[267] In other ways, you're still going to slog through them, we promise.

[268] Yeah.

[269] Okay.

[270] I'm at the stage of my day where my story is printed on blue because I can't get the energy to change my printer ink.

[271] You know what I mean?

[272] Hell, yeah.

[273] You know, you're at the stage of 2023 where you can't do that.

[274] That's how I feel.

[275] That's right.

[276] It's all blue.

[277] It's all lay down time from here on out.

[278] Lay down time.

[279] I love it.

[280] Okay.

[281] So today I'm covering a story that I read in a recent Rolling Stone article that came out that was fascinating.

[282] And I was like, I have to cover this.

[283] The article for Rolling Stone is titled Two Teens Hitchhike to a concert, 50 years later.

[284] they haven't come home by Eric J. Greenberg.

[285] Wow.

[286] So this is the disappearance of Bonnie Bickwick and Mitchell Weiser.

[287] So the other main source I used is Mitchell and Bonnie .com.

[288] It's a website that serves as a resource hub with photos, news clippings, and more detailing their disappearance.

[289] And the other sources are listed in our show notes.

[290] Okay.

[291] So here we are.

[292] It's the summer of 1973.

[293] The Vietnam War is still going on, but American support has dwindle.

[294] Richard Nixon is in his penultimate year.

[295] Thank you, Jay, for their research and using smart words.

[296] Do you know what year that is?

[297] Penultimate is the year before, right?

[298] That's right.

[299] I didn't mean that to be so condescending.

[300] I thought that'd be a fun learning moment, but...

[301] I wasn't offended.

[302] Okay, good.

[303] He's in the penultimate year of his presidency.

[304] And with the Watergate hearings in full swing, his approval rating has fallen to an all -time low.

[305] On top of all this, the Arab oil embargo is full effect, causing nationwide fuel shortages, and stunting American citizens' ability to travel on the open roads, which is such a part of American life and a modern American experience.

[306] So just to give you an idea of what's going on, shit's not great.

[307] Got you.

[308] Not a great time to be alive.

[309] So this political and economic turmoil of the early 70s sets the stage for a flourishing of a counterculture movement that defines the era of the American hippie.

[310] Hi, hippie youths grow their hair long and take to the streets to protest the Vietnam War.

[311] Psychedelic drugs spark controversy between boring people and people who, you know, think it's dangerous and shit.

[312] Yeah.

[313] And rock and roll music takes off facilitating the gathering of all those who choose to revel in the peace, love, and anti -violence sentiments of the counterculture revolution.

[314] Like, what a terrible time to be alive.

[315] What a great time to be alive.

[316] You know, contains multitudes.

[317] It does.

[318] As it always does.

[319] It's like as bad as things get, then people actually start to take action, which is like we're seeing in 2023 as well, where it's like people start to realize I have to do something.

[320] I can't wait for somebody else to do something.

[321] Yeah, the status quo won't do.

[322] So among the iconic rock and roll bands of this time are the Allman Brothers, the band called The Band, which I watched a documentary about recently with Vince.

[323] It was pretty cool.

[324] And the great.

[325] Grateful Dead, of course.

[326] So all of those are playing at a massive music festival at the Watkins Glen Grand Prix Raceway in upstate New York on July 28, 1973.

[327] It's called Not Woodstock, the Summer Jam.

[328] So organized by concert promoter and business partners, Jim Koppel and Shelly Finkel and assisted by legendary concert promoter Bill Graham, Summer Jam is originally set to host 150 ,000.

[329] guests, and they're all purchasing tickets at $10 a piece.

[330] The venue, Watkins Glen, New York's Grand Prix Raceway, had only ever held 100 ,000 people, so the extra 50 ,000 was already kind of pushing the limits of like what they could hold, but the draw of the Grateful Dead, the Allman Brothers and the band, it can't be contained.

[331] In the days living up to the July 28th show, even though tickets had sold out, thousands of people without tickets show up in droves, as we've all seen in Woodstock.

[332] documentaries jamming the small country roads of the roughly 2 ,700 person town.

[333] So small town, a bunch of fucking hippies and rock and rollers show up.

[334] Peace love.

[335] What's crazy is that it's like all those, I bet you many of those people were at Woodstock and none of them learned the lesson of, remember how kind of awful that was and how fucked up it got?

[336] Like, we're just showing up.

[337] But I guess that's a very hippie way of doing things.

[338] It's like, we're just going to show up and see if we a little, you know, good luck ticket, whatever, we'll just see.

[339] Because you can still hear the music.

[340] You don't have to be standing inside the gate.

[341] Yeah, I think the idea is like, let's just see what happens.

[342] That shit couldn't have happened often.

[343] A lot of them are probably from small towns and like, why not, right?

[344] It's summer.

[345] Yeah.

[346] So, of course, there's nowhere for the traffic to move.

[347] So everything gets jammed up.

[348] People start hopping out of their cars, leaving them there and hiking anywhere from five to eight miles to get to the venue.

[349] Fuck that.

[350] So you're just in a permanent, like, single -line parking lot when you need to get back out.

[351] Yeah.

[352] No, thank you.

[353] No, thank you.

[354] Where are the girls who would stay home at Woodstock, given the choice?

[355] For real.

[356] We're the no thanks.

[357] I'll stay home and feed the dog.

[358] You know what?

[359] Give me your purse and I'm going to walk back to our house and then lock the front door and stay there.

[360] Yeah.

[361] I'm good.

[362] I'll be here when I need to do summer school.

[363] You guys go.

[364] Tell me about it.

[365] Just remember everything and tell me. I'm going to love this story.

[366] Take mine pictures.

[367] Okay.

[368] Cole Pick and Finkel consult with Bill Graham and they decide to, fuck it, allow everyone who shows up to attend the concert for free.

[369] They assume that's the only way to avoid the crowd backlash and help everyone have a safe fun time.

[370] You know, not like putting up barriers.

[371] Everyone's going to fucking trip their ass over them.

[372] It's just going to be a riot.

[373] Fuck it.

[374] Let everyone in, which is smart.

[375] In the end, an estimated 600 ,000 people.

[376] A 10 summer jam.

[377] That's too many.

[378] Dorfing Woodstocks, 400 ,000 person crowd just four years prior.

[379] And making the festival a long -running Guinness Book World Record holding event for greatest claimed attendance at a pop festival.

[380] With no water.

[381] Oh, my God.

[382] Or toilets.

[383] No basic needs covered at all.

[384] I have to ask this in every story we cover that's historic.

[385] What did women do with the period?

[386] Like, how do they handle their period?

[387] They walked over to the forest.

[388] They'll be like, well, I'll be back in two hours.

[389] Oh, my God.

[390] I've got to go find some moss.

[391] But before the festival becomes a free -for -all, two lucky teens score those $10 tickets.

[392] Those two teens are high school juniors, Larry Marion and Mitchell Weiser, who's, they're both 16.

[393] When Larry's parents forbid him to go, however, he gives up his ticket to Mitchell's girlfriend, 15 -year -old Benita Bickwit, who goes by Bonnie.

[394] I'm going to call her Bonnie from now.

[395] Mitchell Weiser is, he's 16, as I said, he's a Brooklyn native, raised in a middle -class Jewish family, though their political beliefs and opinions start to diverge as Mitchell becomes a teenager, as it always does, seems to happen often.

[396] He's still close with his family.

[397] He has many good friends at school.

[398] He's a skinny kid with glasses and long hair that he pulls back into a ponytail, just like a sweet, normal kid from the 70s in Brooklyn.

[399] He loves baseball, but he's also very interested in the arts, and he develops a love for photography and lands a coveted job as the photographer's assistant at a local Brooklyn studio that summer in 1973.

[400] So normal, all -American kid.

[401] He's bright and talented, and he attends a new experimental school for gifted students called John Dewey High School in Brooklyn.

[402] And it's there that he meets Bonnie Bickwit.

[403] she's an equally bright yet far more outspoken 15 year old she's always been a high achiever academically so when she hears about the school john dewey for like gifted kids she writes an impassioned letter to the principal asking to be admitted the principal is so blown away by the letter that he admits bonnie into the school and even frames the letter and hangs it on his office wall so she is awesome like mitchell bonnie also comes from a middle -class jewish family with whom she's quite close.

[404] She, like many other Jewish kids in her community, spends her summers at Camp Well Met, a popular Jewish summer camp in the Catskills.

[405] Once she reaches her teen years and grows out of the camper age, she gets a job at Well Met as a mother's helper.

[406] Bonnie and Mitchell are an inseparable couple who all their friends love and envy.

[407] Their love is so strong that earlier that summer of 1973, the two secretly exchanged, quote, wedding rings.

[408] Obviously, they're not legally married, but that's kind of a, what is it called?

[409] Gesture.

[410] Teenage thing?

[411] Teenage gesture.

[412] Both kids have big hearts and take an interest in causes like environmental preservation and indigenous peoples rights.

[413] Bonnie is described as free -spirited.

[414] Mitchell as fearless.

[415] They dated for about a year and a half sharing their love of art and music.

[416] Bonnie's favorite band is the Almond Brothers and Mitchell's is the Grateful Dead.

[417] So when the opportunity to see both of their favorite bands at the same, same show comes up there's obviously nothing that could stop them from going yeah so they get these two tickets so the plan is for mitchell to meet up with bonnie at the camp well met in narrowsburg new york and then she was going to take off from the camp and they were going to hitchhike together from the camp to the concert so mitchell takes all the cash she has 25 bucks and uses it for a bus ticket into narrowsburg and a camp ride to camp well met so Though Bonnie spent many great summers at camp well met, by the summer of 1973, she's kind of, seems like she's kind of over it.

[418] In a letter to Stuart Carton, Mitchell's best friend, who is also friends with Bonnie, she describes being lonely and bored at the camp.

[419] She tells Stewart, she's thinking about quitting her job and even asked him if the camp he goes to his hiring so she can work there instead.

[420] So, like, she's kind of over it.

[421] So when Mitchell arrives, and on the morning of Friday, July 27, 1973, Bonnie's request for, time off is denied and she's like, screw it, I quit and leaves with Mitchell leaving behind her thing.

[422] She says, I'll come get them next week.

[423] Oh.

[424] Yeah.

[425] She's, I'll come get my stuff and my last paycheck next week.

[426] So they're like, nothing stopping them from going to this concert.

[427] Yeah.

[428] So whatkins Glen, where the concert is, is about 155 miles northwest of Narrowsburg where the camp is.

[429] So they have to hitchhike 155 miles.

[430] That's a lot, right?

[431] That's like what?

[432] From here to like, it's halfway to San Francisco or or like a little less.

[433] But I mean, it's way up.

[434] Three hours.

[435] The nearest highway state route 97 runs right through the camp.

[436] So Mitchell and Bonnie walk over and wait by the side of the road with a cardboard sign reading Watkins Glen waiting to hitch a ride, which at the time, of course, don't ever hitchhike now.

[437] At the time, it was a totally normal thing.

[438] I mean, it was more than normal.

[439] It was like how some people got around, right?

[440] Right.

[441] Yes.

[442] To me, in my opinion, that kind of cold.

[443] in the early 70s had that kind of like it was counterculture so you're hitchhiking you're you're conserving you don't have a car someone else is going to be cool and pick you up and it was like in the spirit of the day which we now have done enough stories we're looking back it's like the spirit of the day may have rained and that was like what everybody wanted to be happening peace love etc right but that isn't always the way yeah it's always evil lurking.

[444] You know what?

[445] I just thought of this.

[446] If everyone's home for the holidays, ask your parents or your grandparents if they have any hitchhiking stories and send them for our hometowns at my favorite murder at Gmail, please.

[447] Good one.

[448] Right?

[449] But you know, ask the question, see what you can get going at the dinner table.

[450] Yeah.

[451] And then if that is fruitful, hitchhiking, then you get them.

[452] Now I know you did drugs.

[453] And then you just get confrontational.

[454] Yeah.

[455] I guarantee your great aunt who never had kids has a hitchhiking story.

[456] Promise, right?

[457] Easily.

[458] Okay, so they're waiting to hitch a ride.

[459] They kids are wearing jeans and a t -shirt.

[460] They have sleeping bags under their arms.

[461] Mitchell is also carrying a gray and olive green plaid flannel shirt and his fancy camera.

[462] It isn't long before passing truck driver pulls over to pick them up.

[463] He takes them as far down the highway as he can, then drops them off.

[464] But this is the last time anyone would see or hear from Mitchell and Bob.

[465] Bonnie.

[466] No one's even sure if they made it to the concert or not.

[467] So fast forward to that Monday, July 30th, 1973, the concert happened.

[468] And Bonnie doesn't show back up at camp well met to get her stuff.

[469] So camp staff calls Bonnie's mom, Ray Bickwit, and tells her that Bonnie's missing.

[470] At the same time, Mitchell's family, having not heard from him, start to worry as well.

[471] Mitchell's dad and sister, Sydney and Susan, respectively, hop in the car.

[472] and make the five -hour drive from Brooklyn to Watkins Glen.

[473] And they meet with police there, but when they try to report the kids missing and ask the police to launch an investigation into their disappearance, the local police, which is Skylar County, police chucked the whole thing up to a runaway teen situation and dismiss the family's pleas for help.

[474] Certain the kids would not just run away and determined to find them.

[475] Sydney leaves photos of Mitchell and Bonnie with the police anyway.

[476] He and Susan then drive around the county, including the wall, Watkins Glen Gorge and search for the kids themselves.

[477] They spend hours calling out their names, but don't have any luck finding them.

[478] It's such a nightmare.

[479] Like there was the most gigantic music festival in the area.

[480] And then you're there asking police for this very specific and very important help.

[481] Yeah.

[482] And they're probably already, they have been overwhelmed for so long.

[483] Like this, I'm sure this, imagine all the crazy shit that people got up to during this festival.

[484] And now they're like, oh, but hold on, there might be some missing hitchhikers.

[485] And it's like, you can just hear the police being like, we don't have time for that.

[486] And it's like two teens who are hung over still and like they'll make it.

[487] It's like Monday.

[488] It's not even like a week later.

[489] But I think that's how weird this is for those kids is the fact that it wasn't even like a week later.

[490] It was Monday that the parents were like something's fucking wrong.

[491] So like that in itself you should listen to.

[492] Absolutely.

[493] These are kids that go to super smart school.

[494] right these are people that do their homework that whose parents are in it with them yeah you can count on them yeah so looking to cast a whiter net bonnie's mom ray drives out to monticello new york to report the kids missing with the sullivan county sheriff's department which is another police jurisdiction in the surrounding area and that was the last place bonnie and mitchell were seen when the truck driver dropped them off they too blow it off believe the kids are runaways because both kids are brooklyn residents the NYPD are technically supposed to aid in the investigation too, but they never got involved.

[495] Without much help from police, Bonnie and Mitchell's families do everything they can to try and track the kids down on their own.

[496] They post ads in as many newspapers across New York as they can't, as they can afford to buy space in.

[497] They mail at least 500 letters and circulars to Native American reservations and mission schools because Bonnie and Mitchell are both big advocates for indigenous people's rights.

[498] So they thought, If they had runaway, maybe they went there.

[499] Oh, okay.

[500] You know, just in their minds.

[501] Just trying to follow any logic of what could be happening.

[502] Exactly.

[503] And they follow up on every tiny lead that comes in, no matter how obscure.

[504] Their friends from school, their super smart friends, raised $675 to aid in the cost of the search.

[505] Ray even consults with a psychic.

[506] And the psychic says she sees the kids, quote, lying in a gravel pit, but never provides location so awful.

[507] And Mitchell's sister Susan even goes so far as to infiltrate local cults like the Unification Church, which is the Moonies.

[508] Right.

[509] And the children of God to see maybe the kids had gotten lured in somehow.

[510] I mean, that's incredible what a sister would do such a thing.

[511] That's just heartbreaking.

[512] It's so sad.

[513] Like the desperation.

[514] Yeah.

[515] Totally.

[516] But none of their efforts lead to finding Bonnie and Mitchell.

[517] Mitchell and Bonnie's family friends keep their search up for the next 10 years.

[518] But eventually their funds dry up and media coverage fades because it's the 70s, tools like Name Us and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children haven't been created yet.

[519] And nobody took missing children, especially teenagers, seriously back then.

[520] It was just all runaways in their minds.

[521] So the families kind of have no choice but to cut back on their search efforts and the case runs cold.

[522] In 1984, the Wiser family moves to Arizona to help with Mitchell's dad's asthma, but they pay the New York phone company every month to keep their new Arizona phone number in the New York phone books in case Mitchell ever returns to the city and tries to look them up.

[523] How heartbreaking is that?

[524] So sad.

[525] That's so sad.

[526] Okay, so 25 years later in 1998, New York -based investigative reporter, who I mentioned in the beginning, Eric J. Greenberg is looking for a story when he decides to dig back into the case.

[527] What he finds, on top of the NYPD's Ann Sullivan and Skylar County's negligence is a flat -out mishandling of any paper trail of the case at all.

[528] The original case files held by Sullivan County Sheriff's Department, which contain things like a potential witness list and the kid's dental records to help ID if any remains were found have since gone completely missing.

[529] So like an initial witness list, that could be.

[530] gold, you know, of like the people who are still around from the concert milling about.

[531] Did you see these kids?

[532] Any of that shit.

[533] So the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children had been established in 1984 and they generate age progression photos of Bonnie and Mitchell and Sullivan County's detective lieutenant Anthony Suarez is put in charge of reinvestigating in 1994.

[534] Unfortunately, facing an uphill battle without those case files that are missing, Suarez drops the ball entirely.

[535] He doesn't even try to track down witnesses, nor does he contact the investigator originally assigned to the case.

[536] Greenberg publishes his article detailing all of these missteps in 1998.

[537] It generates a lot of outrage from loved ones and strangers alike, all taken aback by the fact that the police could hear a report of missing children and completely neglect it.

[538] So looking back now, members of each county's police departments and the NYPD admit that they screwed up and they say they carry a lot of shame for it.

[539] As maddening as the report of police not giving a shit is, it prompts Bonnie and Mitchell's loved ones to publicly call in the New York governor and attorney general to reopen the case.

[540] So it gives it some much needed attention.

[541] Finally, in June of 2000, Governor George Pataki appoints Sullivan County resident and state police investigator Roy Strever, along with Detective William Kilgalgal.

[542] Hey, what?

[543] I got brought on stage one time as Lori Kilgallon.

[544] Lori?

[545] You're not your first name, right?

[546] Lori Kilgallon.

[547] Because there's the comic Lori Kilmartin was a headliner.

[548] So the host was just kind of combining all the girls and throwing it out there.

[549] Oh my God.

[550] So they're called on to reinvestigate the disappearance of Bonnie and Mitchell.

[551] So that's in 2000.

[552] At the same time, MSNBC runs an episode of its then new series Missing Persons that details that.

[553] the case.

[554] And so in October of 2000, Strever gets a call from a 51 -year -old man named Alan Smith.

[555] This is chilling.

[556] He saw the episode of missing persons and claimed that he met Mitchell and Bonnie on the road all those years back in 1973.

[557] According to Allen, they had all tried to get to Summer Jam but couldn't get anywhere because of the crazy traffic.

[558] So giving up, they turned back and hitchhiked together landing a ride with a random driver.

[559] in an orange VW bus with Pennsylvania license plates, so all very specific.

[560] Along the way, he says that the four stopped by the Susquehanna River to take a dip and cool off.

[561] But when Bonnie jumped in, he says, the current swept her away.

[562] Mitchell dove in after her, but he vanished too.

[563] That's what he says, like he saw that whole thing happen.

[564] Okay.

[565] Alan and the driver figuring there wasn't much they could do, they can't jump in as well.

[566] agreed to leave with the driver promising he'd stop at a pay phone and report the incident.

[567] So Alan got dropped off before they reached a phone and he just says that he assumed the driver must have made the call, but he has no way of knowing.

[568] That is his story of how they disappeared.

[569] It's like, it's creepy, right?

[570] Yes, it is.

[571] It could be real.

[572] It absolutely could be real.

[573] But I just, as we always do on the show, I just kind of put myself in that position.

[574] And if you think, you just witness two drownings, you drive away going, hey, you're going to take care of it, right?

[575] Like, I don't, I can't relate to that.

[576] I personally can't relate to that.

[577] I understand they would have had to get to a phone.

[578] There's a lot of things involved because it was 1973 or whatever it was, but I just don't, like, treating it like it was an errand that you're going to kind of shift off of yourself and onto a different person seems cold at best.

[579] Yeah, for sure.

[580] So Strever and Kilgallin, they meet up with this guy, Alan, and they drive him up and down the section of the Susquehanna area that he says it happened.

[581] But Alan says nothing looks familiar to him.

[582] You know, it's been so long.

[583] Yeah.

[584] On top of that, there are never any bodies found in that region that matched Bonnie and Mitchell's descriptions.

[585] While Strever and Kilgallin do find Alan to be a, quote, credible witness, there's no real way to confirm his story.

[586] So lacking any hard evidence, though, Mitchell and Bonnie's families do find it hard to have any closure with this theory.

[587] And of course, doubts remain in their mind.

[588] Like, it's a convenient story, but there's no proof of it whatsoever.

[589] Yeah.

[590] And I mean, it's completely understandable that the family's not satisfied by that.

[591] And it's purely speculation of what else could be going on.

[592] But after all that time being told that where it's like, oh, there's some people who witness.

[593] them drowned and just didn't let anybody know.

[594] But now we're going to let you know because 30 or 40 years have passed.

[595] It just doesn't really track.

[596] Yeah.

[597] Well, he says it's because he saw the missing person's episode and realizes that, you know, I guess like there wouldn't have been a lot of ways for him to look it up on the internet and see what the outcome had been.

[598] True.

[599] And also, you know, that person did reach out when they did.

[600] Like, I don't mean to be judgmental of that person.

[601] And I just, it all is like very odd.

[602] Yeah, I don't think if I had been a family member would have been like satisfied and able to move on from that description alone.

[603] Unfortunately, the next year, September 11th happens.

[604] The terrorist attacks on the Twin Towers, of course.

[605] It occupies all of the NYPD's personnel and resources.

[606] And so once again, Mitchell's and Bonnie's case is left by the wayside.

[607] It is until 2011 that a new detective, Detective Cyrus Barnes of Sullivan County is handed the case.

[608] He looks into the drowning story, but unlike Striever and Kilgallan, he finds Alan's story to be full of holes during the time in which he supposedly watched Bonnie and Mitchell drown.

[609] Alan was actually in the Navy.

[610] I don't know if that means he was overseas or what, but he was in the Navy.

[611] And he says, quote, it just made no sense.

[612] Then Detective Barnes gets a random call from a woman in Florida in 2013.

[613] who grew up in Wayne, New York, she believes her father may have killed Bonnie and Mitchell.

[614] She says her father was a serial predator who assaulted her and then used her to lure in other kids for him to assault.

[615] And her story's plausible enough for Detective Barnes to look into.

[616] They go to Wayne, New York, which is actually interesting because another psychic had called in and said they need like the name Wayne, that maybe the perpetrator was named Wayne had come into their mind and it's Wayne County.

[617] So it's kind of interesting or a coincidence.

[618] This woman points police to two possible burial sites in Wayne.

[619] They excavate both areas.

[620] No remains are found in either place.

[621] And so the case is handed off once again to a different Sullivan County detective in late 2021, early 2022.

[622] So recently.

[623] That's Jack Harb.

[624] So Harb has refused to discuss the case publicly or share any reports because Because according to Mitchell's sister Susan, Harb, quote, believes publicity could prompt responses from new sources that he would have to track down and investigate.

[625] So he's not publicizing it because he thinks it would create new leads that he has to then.

[626] Like, what the fuck?

[627] That's police work.

[628] That's exactly what police work is.

[629] Well, but is he trying to say he's going to go track down the sources that he already has and then he doesn't want new ones?

[630] I don't know.

[631] But what could be new at this point?

[632] You know, how it is.

[633] People, like, you know, a wife of the time who covered for her husband who was a monster is now free to say what she wants to say.

[634] My question is, why is he talking about it at all then if he doesn't want to talk about it?

[635] Like, why would that even be a story or be a thing?

[636] I just think that also what we found is publicity on a case never hurts if it's done the right way for the right reasons.

[637] Well, it seems like that's a broad generalization of never.

[638] never hurts, right?

[639] It's publicity.

[640] If it does the right thing.

[641] It can do a lot of things.

[642] Yeah.

[643] That's true.

[644] Publicity is publicity.

[645] But I hear what you're saying is that he's almost trying to prevent a thing that he can't control anyway.

[646] And then while preventing what he thinks could be potential problems, he's preventing potential solutions.

[647] Exactly.

[648] The wiser's and bickwits feel like it's a dismissal.

[649] So after all this time, authorities do not appear to be any closer to solving the mystery of what happened to Bonnie Bickwit and Mitchell Weiser.

[650] Fifty years later, and with the coming of the 50th anniversary of Summer Jam, their high school friends are hoping internet chatter might draw more eyes under the case once again and prompt a new lead.

[651] Bonnie and Mitchell's parents are long since deceased, as are many of the potential witnesses who could have pointed authorities in the right direction, but their high school friends still want closure.

[652] When John Dewey's graduating class of 1975, which would have been Mitchell's class.

[653] They had their 25 -year reunion in 2000, and they planted a Norwegian red crimson maple tree in honor of their missing friends.

[654] The plaque beneath the tree reads Mitch Wiser, Bonnie Bickwit, we still miss you, classes of 74 and 75.

[655] Another 25 years later, the sentiment still remains.

[656] It's all still there.

[657] The summer of 1973 is etched into their hearts and minds as the summer, all of their lives changed.

[658] Mitchell's old best friend, Stuart Carton, still operates a website.

[659] It's Mitchell and Bonnie .com, and it's MIT C -H -E -L and Bonnie, B -N -N -N -I -E, to keep their story alive in hopes that someone might come forward with new information.

[660] When he reflects on his decades -long search for answers, he says he keeps up hope, quote, because if the tables were turned, that's what Mitchell would do, end quote.

[661] And that is the story.

[662] of the disappearance of Bonnie Bickwit and Mitchell Weiser.

[663] Man. Yeah, go read that Rolling Stone article.

[664] It's really detailed and fascinating.

[665] Also, just like that theory, the woman coming forward and talking about her father at the time and then it's time and place is accurate, that idea of like if somebody who's already not okay.

[666] So like that woman was claiming her father was like a serial abuser or whatever.

[667] And then there's all these people jamming the streets of their.

[668] town or county and that they're not used to being around and it's like that people are getting fired up and getting pissed off and we can't get out of our driveway because these people these people I mean that piece is so much more realistically kind of trackable yeah than then that other one I mean people were just so much more trusting back then like you'd go into someone's car hitchhiking or you'd spend the night at someone's house that was a stranger that let you because you you were in town for this concert, you know, it could be anything.

[669] Right.

[670] I think the craziest part is like, they don't even know if they made it to that concert.

[671] So the area that they have to look of where they went missing is so large.

[672] Yeah.

[673] It's just, it sounds overwhelming and just awful.

[674] Yeah, it really does.

[675] And so tragic because clearly they're just two very special teenagers, like mature, intelligent, caring, all those things.

[676] Yeah, who knows what they're.

[677] could have done with their lives.

[678] What a loss.

[679] Yeah, total.

[680] Well, great job.

[681] Thank you.

[682] Although frustrating.

[683] I just like, those ones are awful.

[684] The cold ones that you know I love.

[685] Yeah.

[686] I mean, but are important, like you say, it's like I do think that is the huge benefit of the true crime wave is that it has enabled citizen sleuths to take things into their own hands.

[687] And if in a case like this, where the police are either saying they're not working on it or they're going to work on it to their own taste and nobody else gets to be involved or hear about it, then it would be very helpful for people to maybe people who are locals, people who grew up there, people who know anything, like to be assembling some sort of investigation.

[688] Well, it happens with these citizens loose where they're obsessed with a case and they're able to match up remains that were found 30 years ago with missing people that are still being looked for.

[689] And once you're able to do that, you're able to try to solve the case somehow once you have any answers.

[690] Like, where did they end up?

[691] What part of the town or what part of the county were they in?

[692] That's sort of how they die.

[693] Then you can kind of start to put the pieces together, but not when you have nothing.

[694] Yeah.

[695] Well, good job.

[696] Thank you.

[697] Are you making a left turn?

[698] You know I'm going to left turn.

[699] Thank you.

[700] Today I'm going to tell you, and you may have heard about these gals already.

[701] But I'm going to tell you about the Soviet Union's all -female bomber regiment that fought off the Nazis during World War II.

[702] They flew under the dark of night so that the German soldiers couldn't see them coming.

[703] They cut their engines on their approach so that the only sound that would give them away was the wush of the wind as their planes coasted into bombing position.

[704] Likening the sound to a witch's broom, the Nazis gave these women, the foreboding nickname Nocthexan, which translates to the Night Witches.

[705] This is the story of Marina Roscova and the Night Witches.

[706] Damn.

[707] No, I don't know this at all.

[708] This is a goody.

[709] So the sources that were used for today's story are a Vanity Fair article from 2015 called The Little Known Story of the Night Witches, an all -female force in World War II, written by Eric Grundhouser.

[710] An article on gray dynamics .com from 2022 entitled Marina Ruscova and the Night Witches by Rochelle Momi.

[711] And an article from the collector entitled Night Witches, the Female Russian Combat Unions of the Sky, written in 2023 by Jesse Lee Smith.

[712] And the rest are in our show notes.

[713] I've also seen this mention.

[714] There's those kinds of social media feeds where it's like mysterious history or like fascinating history.

[715] Yeah.

[716] I've seen that mention there where I was.

[717] immediately like what what is this so if you've heard of the night witches but you don't know the details i'm going to give it to you now so this story as well as world war two begins in 1939 with germany's invasion of poland the soviet union had already entered a non -aggression pact with germany called the molotov ribandrop pact wherein both countries agreed not to attack each other while they secretly split up the european countries that were lying between them granting each other influential dominion over an equal share of countries.

[718] I had no idea about that, or many things from history.

[719] But that is very fascinating to me because that explains a lot from the beginning of World War II.

[720] But just two years later on June 22nd, 1941, as Hitler enacts his plan to rid the world of, quote, Jewish and Slavic races, and quote, Germany breaks their pact and launches an invasion of, the Soviet Union with a mission dubbed Operation Barbarossa.

[721] And that operation involves around 10 million combatants, and it'll prove to be the largest land offensive ever waged.

[722] And it isn't long before Germany occupies part of Russia, and Stalin is forced to beef up his military might and actually really fight back with force and brute.

[723] A lot of people think that if Hitler hadn't done that, he would have won the war.

[724] You know what I mean?

[725] Like you can't double cross Russia.

[726] No. Especially when Russia is literally like what a hundred times bigger in your country.

[727] Like, yeah.

[728] Okay.

[729] So while Stalin forms and expands tactical groups of the Red Army, like tank regiments and naval infantrys and artillery regiments and aviation squads, women are almost entirely barred from combat, especially when it comes to the Air Force.

[730] Absolutely no women are allowed to serve in the Russian Air Force.

[731] Some are able to fight on land, several even joining sniper teams.

[732] Many others, of course, aid in unofficial guerrilla capacities, like digging tank, ditch traps, and creating other obstacles for Germans to contend with.

[733] And, of course, they're all allowed to do the very difficult work of nursing the injured, cooking everyone meals, sewing the uniforms, all of that.

[734] But these women have lost husbands, brothers, fathers, their homes, their cities, their overall safety to these Nazis and this Nazi invasion.

[735] So the women of Russia want to fight back literally, especially the female pilots that are in Russia.

[736] There are many Russian women who can fly.

[737] And so these women begin to reach out to the one woman who they know can help, a decorated flyer and national hero with a direct connection to Joseph Stalin, a woman named Colonel Marina Raskova.

[738] So we'll talk about her for a second.

[739] She was born on March 28th, 1912 in Moscow as Marina Malinina and young Marina dreams of following in her father's footsteps of becoming an opera singer.

[740] But in 1919, she's just seven years old and her father is hit by a motorcycle and the infection that sets in from those injuries ultimately kills him.

[741] So over the next couple years, the family's money dwindles.

[742] And Marina, of course, wants to help her mother financially.

[743] So she changes her focus and she starts studying engineering and chemistry.

[744] And she graduates from high school in 1929 and promptly goes to work a chemist job at a dye factory.

[745] The same year, she marries her co -worker, a man named Sergei Raskoff.

[746] And the year after that, in 1930, they have a daughter named Tanya.

[747] So shortly after her daughter's birth, Marina gets accepted to the Zukovsky Air Force Engineering Academy, which is a sanctioned school of the Soviet Air Force.

[748] And she trains to be a drafts woman who's the person who draws up technical plans for aircraft.

[749] And she quickly excels.

[750] So she falls in love with aviation.

[751] She's very good at it.

[752] After just one year of schooling, she becomes an instructor.

[753] And during this time, she's learning how to fly a plane herself.

[754] By 1933, she becomes the first Soviet woman to graduate as an aviator navigator.

[755] And a year later in 1934, she becomes the first Soviet woman to become a pilot instructor.

[756] So she learns and then starts teaching immediately.

[757] Yeah.

[758] Wow.

[759] She's smart.

[760] Marina is sent to the Central Flying Club in Toshino and she officially earns her pilot's license in August of 1935.

[761] This is also the year she gets divorced, which allows her to fully focus on her career.

[762] So this woman is a trailblazer in pretty much any possible way that she can be, it seems.

[763] She's got her pilot's license in hand.

[764] She racks up hours of flight experience.

[765] She's constantly challenging herself to push it to the limit, and it's not long before she starts setting international flight records.

[766] On October 24, 1937, she sets the female world record for a nonstop long -distance flight of roughly 898 miles, which she earned alongside fellow female pilot, Valentina Grisa Dubova.

[767] The next year in 1938, Marina beats her own records from the prehistive.

[768] previous year, including a September 24th to 25th flight from Moscow to Komsolsk that spans over 4 ,000 miles.

[769] This flight was taken again with Valentina Grise Odebova and a third female pilot named Polina Ossepenko.

[770] So Marina's achievements earn her the Order of Lennon Award and the hero of the Soviet Union Award, a gold star medal seen as the highest distinction in the Soviet Union at the time.

[771] She's dubbed the Soviet Amelia Earhart.

[772] So kind of explaining all those things, it's like the way they're suddenly were allowing her to do these things and get these flight.

[773] Amelia Earhart had been making news.

[774] Right.

[775] And so she becomes the Soviet Amelia Earhart and her achievements grant her the opportunity to meet Stalin and he shows great admiration for Marina she's even recognized with a commemorative stamp that was issued in 1939 the Soviet Union has a lot of pride in Marina and she has a lot of pride in her country and just in time too because 1939 is right when she and her skills and her expertise are needed so cut to 1941 One, Marina answers the call of her fellow Soviet women, and she starts to lobby to allow women to join the war effort.

[776] She speaks directly with Stalin, and because he has so much respect for her, she convinces him to allow women to be eligible for the draft.

[777] And then on October 8, 1941, Stalin goes a step further and lets Marina form three all -female aviation squadrons with her Marina at the helm.

[778] Wow.

[779] So now thousands of Soviet women from the ages of 17.

[780] to 26 enlist.

[781] Only roughly 1 ,000 are chosen to serve.

[782] And those chosen are sent to Ingalls, which is a small town in Saratav Oblast, for training.

[783] And they learn how to fly or to improve on their existing flight knowledge.

[784] And they're also trained in plane maintenance and in navigation.

[785] Now, ordinarily, this kind of training would take 18 months, but given the urgent need, the program is accelerated, and these women finish in just six months.

[786] Wow.

[787] Once their training is complete, Marina separates the newly minted pilots into three different all -female regiments.

[788] The best pilots are assigned to the 586th fighter aviation regiment.

[789] The second best ones are assigned to the 587th bomber aviation regiment.

[790] And the third best are assigned to the 58 -night -bomber aviation regiment.

[791] So the 586th regiment is led by commander Tamara, Khazerinova.

[792] But when enemy fire takes out a large number of the pilots in that regiment, another commander by the name of Alexander Grindev steps in.

[793] Marina commands the 587th regiment herself, and a major Yvdoja Bershanskaya leads the 58th Knight Regiment.

[794] As the war rages on, the 588th becomes a standout regiment.

[795] They're the only one to remain all female.

[796] Everyone from the pilots to the navigators to the commanders to the mechanics.

[797] Wow.

[798] And now this part's going to shock you, Georgia.

[799] Just because these women are granted unprecedented access in the Soviet Air Force, it doesn't mean that they are respected by their male peers or the senior staff.

[800] Come on.

[801] You're surprised and you're hurt and I'm sorry.

[802] Shocked.

[803] They aren't given new uniforms.

[804] they have to wear the men's hand -me -downs.

[805] And, of course, they don't fit.

[806] Kind of impedes a soldier.

[807] Sure.

[808] If you're wearing really oversized clothes.

[809] In some cases, smaller women are forced to rip up their own bed sheets and stuff them into their boots to keep them from falling off.

[810] That's how bad it is.

[811] Oh, my God.

[812] Also, the equipment for the 58th night bomber regiment is especially bad.

[813] Because they're the least experienced group, the squad's 260 pilots, are stuck flying Paula Karpov or P .O .2 biplanes.

[814] These planes are usually used as training aircraft for new pilots or for crop dusting.

[815] They are definitely not meant for combat.

[816] So Jay included a picture of one for me. It literally looks like one of those biplanes that, like, you would see old newsreel footage of people going standing out on the side of, like trick planes.

[817] Like it's charming.

[818] It's very charming looking.

[819] It's not, you don't think, send that to World War II.

[820] also the technology in these planes is outdated they move very slowly they're dangerously lightweight the seats for the pilot and the navigator are completely uncovered so there's no protection whatsoever when they're in them on top of that these planes can't fly very high so they have to execute their combat missions flying very low and close to the enemy basically being an airwoman with the 588 is about as dangerous as it could possibly be and here's the the kicker.

[821] These planes are made of wood and canvas.

[822] What?

[823] That's not real.

[824] That's a toy.

[825] Isn't that insane?

[826] So basically, they're insanely flammable.

[827] One spark could basically set the whole plane on fire.

[828] Yeah.

[829] They're flying them through action.

[830] So bullets and bombs are lighting up the sky around them.

[831] So them catching on fire is highly likely.

[832] Still, the women of the 588th Regiment do what most women do, which is they make the best of what they've been given.

[833] So here's how the night witches operate.

[834] Once darkness falls, three PO2 planes take off together in formation.

[835] And as they approach their enemy target, the two outer planes peel off in opposite directions, and they act as decoys drawing the attention of the Nazi searchlights and ground guns below.

[836] When the moment is right, the navigator in the third remaining plane taps the pilot's shoulder, and the pilot cuts the engine, and then that allows them to glide over the target unseen and unheard, but nothing but the wish in the wings of the plane to betray their presence.

[837] At this point, it's already too late because that plane is dropping bombs on unsuspecting Nazis below.

[838] Damn.

[839] So they're truly just coming out of nowhere, like there's no way the ground forces looking up can see what's happening.

[840] Yeah.

[841] In one night, they will repeat this process three times with each plane taking a turn in the center position to drop the bombs.

[842] Then all three planes return to base to be loaded up again for another outing.

[843] And because these planes are so light, each one can only hold two bombs at a time.

[844] So in order to cover as much ground as possible, the pilots have to fly anywhere from eight to 18 air raids in one night.

[845] No. Uh -huh.

[846] On top of that, the planes exposed to...

[847] the women pilots to bitter cold during the hours and hours of flight every night.

[848] Many of the pilots and the navigators suffer from frostbite over the course of the war.

[849] Plus, these planes are so outdated, they don't have proper navigational equipment, so these navigators are forced to rely on compasses and maps as they're flying in this plane bombing the enemy.

[850] Here's my least favorite detail.

[851] The strict weight limits of these planes mean the pilots cannot carry parachutes aboard, so if they're hit and they need to bail, they can't.

[852] Later days.

[853] Bye.

[854] But PO2 planes do have some advantages.

[855] They're lightweight, so they're easier to maneuver.

[856] They're fairly quiet and they can safely drift with the engine off, which allows for their trademark stealthy approach.

[857] Right.

[858] I bet if they had like more modern in the time planes, they couldn't pull the shit off, right?

[859] No, these things are like, it's like a box kite coming in and bombing your shit.

[860] Yeah.

[861] The design of these planes also allows them to take off and land basically anywhere, and they make emergency landings easier.

[862] And the wood in the canvas construction, while dangerous while in combat, also make it so that German radar cannot detect them.

[863] So it's kind of ideal in those ways.

[864] So the silent attacks with basically only a wishing sound warning the enemy.

[865] is what earns these pilots the nickname the Night Witches.

[866] But cutting the engine isn't their only stealth tactic.

[867] These bomber pilots don't use any lights on their aircraft at all.

[868] They use the light of the moon and the stars to guide them.

[869] Damn, that's romantic.

[870] So they're astrology girlies, or sorry, astronomy girlies.

[871] A rumor starts that they're using some sort of chemical in their eyes or a pill that gives them cat -like night vision.

[872] but that of course none of that is true it's just the hours of intense training at night that has enabled their eyes to adjust to this darkness and take care of the job at hand the night witches become so deadly and so deeply feared by the germans that shooting down a night witch's plane will instantly earn a nazi soldier an iron cross metal which is one of germany's highest military honors so they were known they were feared and they were like, it's like, you have to get them at any cost.

[873] Yeah.

[874] But many of the male soldiers from the other regiments in the Soviet Army can't seem to take the female pilots seriously, even though the danger they're facing in the battle as they serve their country is equal to that of their male counterparts.

[875] If not riskier because they have big oversized clothes, no parachutes, like, no cover.

[876] So many obstacles.

[877] Yes.

[878] they're basically dancing backward in high heels but okay fine you can just make jokes and be a dick about it it doesn't really matter though because whatever anyone wants to say about the 58th to sue their own ego these women's bravery and tenacity is unmatched so here's an example one night in december of her cockpit away.

[879] It's like Flintstone's car.

[880] So it says, now with her legs dangling out of the bottom of the plane, while blood is dripping out of her shrapnel wound, Nina does her best to regain orientation, but the German searchlight finds her in the night sky, and it blinds her momentarily.

[881] If she doesn't regain control fast, of course, her plane will crash.

[882] And if she's lucky enough to survive a crash landing, she's going to be an enemy territory, and she will become a Nazi prisoner of war, which is worst case scenario, knowing that how much they hate and fear the night witch is.

[883] Because you know it pisses them off, if they have in any way found out that these planes that are so scary that are killing them are women, you know it's over.

[884] Yeah.

[885] With all these possibilities looming over Nina, she suddenly gets a glimpse of her own regiment's runway floodlight.

[886] She's able to write the damaged plane.

[887] She points herself in the direction of home base.

[888] and she's somehow able to land in neutral territory.

[889] The landing's rough.

[890] She and her navigator both survive.

[891] They both make it back to camp where Nina is rushed into surgery.

[892] It does take her a few months to fully recover from her injuries, but then she goes right back to her plane to fly more missions.

[893] So while Marina Roscova, who I was talking about in the beginning, is credited for establishing all three female aviation regiments, The Night Witches of the 58th ultimately fall under the command of major Yevdokia, Bershanka, Bershankshaya.

[894] You got this.

[895] You got your Russian.

[896] I speak Russian.

[897] I mean, I have very clear phonetic spelling in front of me, and it's still hard to pronounce.

[898] That's crazy.

[899] You're Irish.

[900] You don't need to.

[901] With years of flying experience prior to World War II, including fighting in the Spanish Civil War, Major Berkshanskaya is one of the only female officers and one of the only female pilots who actually has combat experience.

[902] When she's put in charge of the 58th, she implements a strict kind of a tough love leadership style.

[903] And I mean, what else was there in the Soviet Union?

[904] I don't, was there a Montessori style that was happening in the war.

[905] It's like, you're not getting coddled.

[906] It's not a thing.

[907] Don't come here for love.

[908] We don't have it to give.

[909] Under her guidance, what was considered the least skilled regiment becomes the most feared regiment.

[910] And one of the many star pupils of that monumental force is a woman named Nadehhta Popova.

[911] So Nadeshah loses her brother in the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union in June of 1941.

[912] And then her home is commandeered by the Gestapo.

[913] So she becomes hell -bent on fighting the Nazis herself.

[914] She's one of the first women to voluntarily enlist in the Soviet Air Force.

[915] And when she's accepted into the 58th, she's thrilled.

[916] On her first mission, however, a plane in her outfit goes down and two of her close friends are killed.

[917] But Nadesha still completes that mission, dropping bombs that destroy their Nazi targets.

[918] So she watches her friends die.

[919] She still gets the job done.

[920] And from that day on, flying these combat missions become a welcome distraction from her grief.

[921] Nadesha Popova becomes one of the most prolific flyers for the night witches, completing a total of 852 missions over the course of the war.

[922] And she holds the regiment's record for the most bomb raids in one night.

[923] Eighteen.

[924] Wow.

[925] Like I can't function without a nap during the day.

[926] I was going to say, when's the last time you did something 18 times ever?

[927] No. In one night.

[928] It was like if you left a bar to go to 7 -11 and get chips.

[929] Like, I would be like, I'm not doing that more than three times.

[930] Now I'm pissed.

[931] Nadeshia is shot down several times over the course of her career.

[932] She survives every time.

[933] She eventually works her way up to regiment deputy commander.

[934] She survives the war.

[935] She goes on to live a long and storied life until her passing in 2013 at age 91.

[936] Wow.

[937] Yeah.

[938] So after World War II is over, Major Bershon Skaya, who was the one who had her tough love style.

[939] She was the one that was training the Night Witches.

[940] She continues her military career.

[941] She eventually earns the rank of lieutenant colonel.

[942] Then she retires from the Soviet Air Force in 1959.

[943] She passes away from a heart attack in 1982 at the age of 69.

[944] But without her guidance, the Night Witches would never have become the monumental force that they became in World War II.

[945] The Night Witches operations last from June of 1942 until, October of 1945, and by war's end, these female pilots of the 58th Regiment alone logged a total of 2 ,672 combat missions.

[946] Holy shit.

[947] They dropped over 3 ,000 tons of bombs and 26 ,000 incendiary shells, successfully destroying 17 river crossings, nine railways, two railway stations, 26 warehouses, 12 fuel depots, 176 armored cars, 86 prepared firing positions, 11 searchlights, all of which the Nazis relied on during their occupation of the Soviet Union.

[948] So they just got rid of it.

[949] But also, the night witches did drops where they supplied food and ammunition to their fellow Soviet soldiers on the ground, and they did that 155 different times.

[950] Sadly, the founder of the Night Witches and of all of these female flying regiments, Marina Roscova, was not as lucky to live a long life as her colleagues were.

[951] On January 4, 1943, while she's leading two squadrons on a mission, a severe snowstorm kicks up, and she is forced to make an emergency landing near the Volga River.

[952] But as she does, she crashes into the river's high west bank wall, and she's killed.

[953] And she's only 31 years old.

[954] Wow.

[955] Only 31.

[956] She's only 31.

[957] Wow.

[958] But the good news is her bravery, her vision, her leadership is fully recognized by the Soviet Union.

[959] She will be the first member of the Soviet military to receive a Soviet state funeral from World War II.

[960] And her ashes are buried in the necropolis of the Moscow Kremlin wall and Red Square.

[961] And in addition to all the military honors that she received during her life, she's posthumously awarded the or order of the Patriotic War I class for her heroics.

[962] And Marina Roscova is still remember today as a legendary pilot, the Soviet Amelia Earhart, and the mother of the night witches.

[963] And that's the story of a Marina at Roscova and the night witches.

[964] Damn.

[965] Good night bitches.

[966] Good night bitches.

[967] It's the night witches.

[968] It's the night witches.

[969] Wow.

[970] Right?

[971] Powerful.

[972] Powerful.

[973] Yeah.

[974] Well, great job.

[975] fascinating story.

[976] I'd never heard of that one before.

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