103 - Live at the Balboa Theatre in San Diego

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVeyne, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only Martyrs in the Building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] Good, there's an exit there, there's two back there, and of course there's one right over there.

[17] house right stage left.

[18] There you go.

[19] And of course we brought the rug that my great -grandmother wove on a loom.

[20] Yes, this is the Kilgara family rug.

[21] It was handed down from Galway Ireland all the way down to...

[22] It's beautiful.

[23] It's beautiful.

[24] God bless.

[25] It's just gorgeous, and it's...

[26] And then I just spilled my nail polish.

[27] that I just painted, literally just painted my nails with backstage.

[28] George and I say a pre -show prayer.

[29] This is the insider information for locals only.

[30] And this is not a joke because you're like, you guys are atheists.

[31] No, we really say a prayer.

[32] We really say a prayer.

[33] Tonight we said a prayer to the oceans and the local manicurists.

[34] Just kind of start talking, and then at some point someone goes, amen.

[35] And so I had just painted my nails and she went to grab my hands.

[36] I know we actually started the prayer.

[37] All right.

[38] And then I went to say something.

[39] We were like trying to be fake spiritual.

[40] It's what we do.

[41] And at one point I went to say something and you were just goes, watch the fingers.

[42] That's much for me. Because I don't give a shit.

[43] No, it's for the show.

[44] You're right.

[45] It's for the people.

[46] No, I don't want it to get all over your hands.

[47] Oh, these old things?

[48] Look at, my hands are covered in pen and worry.

[49] It's fine.

[50] Some like sun damage here.

[51] Some gap jeans die because I'm never not going like this.

[52] Oh no murder.

[53] Well, it's great to be here in San Diego.

[54] What's my segue?

[55] Is this new?

[56] Did you just write this?

[57] I just wrote this.

[58] Is this going to be your new thing?

[59] This is my new thing.

[60] Eileen now.

[61] Oh my god.

[62] This is local Georgia.

[63] You're from nearby.

[64] I'm from nearby.

[65] I like you guys better than my hometown.

[66] I like NorCal better than my hometown too So everyone's happy Let's rate the entire United States right now The last time I was in San Diego actually Was for Comic -Con You've been And I got in a huge screaming fight with my friend In either the gaslight or the gas lamp district And I just Either the gas light or I can't hear anything I thank you it's the gas lamp district because the gaslight district is where people take you to convince you that your thoughts are wrong.

[67] Right, which is what we got in the fight about.

[68] Don't go there.

[69] She was doing that.

[70] She was gas -lamping me in the gaslight.

[71] She gas -lamped the shit out of you.

[72] Yeah, we're friends now, it's fine.

[73] But if anyone witnessed it, congratulations.

[74] Remember that private memory of Georgia's that none of us were there for?

[75] Well, that's just the last memory I have of San Diego, so I'm really happy that this is the last one now.

[76] Yes, and you're making new memories all the time.

[77] Right.

[78] Oh, San Diego?

[79] I went to Belbo with Theater instead of, I got in a screaming fight, you know what I mean?

[80] Yeah.

[81] The last time I was here, I just had a really mediocre set of comedy, so I also apologize for my last experience here in San Diego.

[82] I didn't deliver any of the goods.

[83] I mean, they should apologize to you, really.

[84] I feel the same.

[85] Because you probably brought it.

[86] Am I wrong?

[87] I brought it in my special way that only certain people would care about.

[88] Luckily, I've accessed that audience now.

[89] We found them.

[90] Back in 2008, nobody was having it.

[91] It was a different time.

[92] New material.

[93] That's right.

[94] All this.

[95] You know?

[96] I don't want to look, but are my spanks past my knees right now?

[97] That's what it feels like.

[98] Let's all be friends and tell her.

[99] Oh, no, they're right there.

[100] Okay.

[101] I gave up on those motherfackers a long time.

[102] I thought I had Capri Spanx on for a second.

[103] Neihis?

[104] It scared me. Nehai Spanx?

[105] Nehai Spanx.

[106] Why isn't that a thing?

[107] Some girls and guys hate their calves.

[108] That's true.

[109] Nehai Spanx.

[110] Yeah, you do, oh my God, calf only spanks might be a niche that we get rich off.

[111] Stephen, that's ours.

[112] That's ours.

[113] Send it in the mail.

[114] Oh, are you seriously missing your cue?

[115] He's panning to the audience.

[116] Stephen graduated from the zoo in 1916.

[117] Just this old giraffe?

[118] It's true, I went back to my old cage.

[119] It was great.

[120] Aw, I'm so glad you're free now.

[121] No, he's not.

[122] Now he's in this zoo.

[123] We keep him cage in the back.

[124] That's why it took a minute to open the cage, so he took a minute to get out here.

[125] They had to shoe him out.

[126] He was way in the corner, all like, no, thank you.

[127] Now, Stephen, you're a local.

[128] Yes, I'm from Southern California.

[129] And I love San Diego That seems sarcastic The sweater, it's real Yeah, we believe you Any last message for San Diego?

[130] Stay sexy Get your own fucking saying He steals our motto right in front of us And then we walk off That's it Well, he just ended the show What if we were like that?

[131] I mean, we're going to be very soon.

[132] Look at this.

[133] Huge shows of people come to see a podcast.

[134] This is nuts.

[135] It's nuts.

[136] It's so fucking crazy.

[137] You guys, what are you doing?

[138] You guys, thank you for making this our job.

[139] We love it.

[140] Oh, stupid.

[141] I used to work with food stuff, and that's really cool because I love food, but then you have to write, like, a new recipe for fucking Super Bowl every year.

[142] It was like, what are you supposed to do with fucking buffalo?

[143] chicken.

[144] There's no other way to make it a thing.

[145] Let's hear some options right now.

[146] What would you do?

[147] Buffalo chicken dip, buffalo chicken sliders, buffalo chicken fucking...

[148] No, let's change it up a little bit.

[149] It's impossible.

[150] Buffalo chicken pudding.

[151] Karen, you should be buffalo put in jello.

[152] I don't know what it.

[153] Buffalo putting jello.

[154] Put a wing into a jello mold and then hide it in someone's mailbox.

[155] It's a different my thing is a different thing.

[156] My point was it in yesterday.

[157] I was like, murder, I can't find a murder, where's the murder?

[158] I'm like, oh my God, my life is so much cooler now.

[159] I was so happy that it was like, I love food, but I've loved true crumb, and I didn't realize it was going to be a job.

[160] And then I was like, oh, my God.

[161] Because then you see all the food bloggers who were like, here's a new recipe for Thanksgiving thing, new thing to put stuffing in.

[162] Good luck.

[163] Stop it.

[164] Oh, hazelnuts, you blew my mind.

[165] That was a rant.

[166] You really went off on it.

[167] I really did.

[168] I mean, here's the problem.

[169] We drove down from L .A. today.

[170] Normally, we have all kinds of travel anecdotes and funny, hilarious things, how this city is different than our city.

[171] And we're just like, should we go back tonight or just stay?

[172] Like, it's not, this is a little bit hometowny for us.

[173] We're just, this is a lot like, you know, it's like L .A., but here's the thing.

[174] People here don't give a shit.

[175] And that rules.

[176] It rules.

[177] The industry, it's like in the chillest way possible.

[178] You're not like, in the industry, like, really care.

[179] You make movies about pot or whatever.

[180] Yeah, yeah.

[181] I saw a guy that when we were driving through, and from the head up, he looked like my friend's dad, and I was like, whoa.

[182] But then from the neck down, he was dressed like a 19 -year -old surfer.

[183] And I'm like, that's not Christine's dad.

[184] It can't be him.

[185] He wouldn't have changed that much this quickly.

[186] Maybe he went into the, what's it called?

[187] they hide you when you're in the cop.

[188] Protection program.

[189] Witness protection program.

[190] There you go.

[191] Thank you.

[192] What do you call it when they hide you?

[193] Oh, this is my favorite murder, by the way.

[194] Oh, yeah.

[195] Good one.

[196] Thank you.

[197] Good point.

[198] That's a really good point.

[199] This is my favorite murder.

[200] I wanted to say so after I tripped over the words witness protection program.

[201] We are highly qualified true crime podcasters.

[202] That's Georgia Hartstark.

[203] That's Karen Kilgaris.

[204] Thank you.

[205] Thank you.

[206] We actually now like to say that to our audiences before we start, because we know that sometimes people bring outsider.

[207] We'll call them outsiders to the show.

[208] Pony Boys and Soda Pops and whatnot.

[209] They bring them to the show, and they sit here, and they listen to us, blather about fucking nothing, and then, like, I'll say pockets, and everyone starts screaming, and they're like, what the fuck is going on?

[210] And we feel bad for you, and we're sorry, and we know the majority of you are men and you're like, what is happening to my spouse?

[211] Yeah.

[212] This goes out to the Ashers, too, by the way.

[213] Yeah.

[214] Dudes.

[215] So, yeah, we just, just so you know, like, we talk about true crime, which is very dark and horrifying, but then we also make jokes, which is highly inappropriate.

[216] And we know, you don't need to let us know.

[217] We know.

[218] Yeah, we know.

[219] If my mom's told me, then...

[220] it, then I know.

[221] It's in there.

[222] And I'm purposely doing otherwise just to piss her off.

[223] That's right.

[224] Because we're always 14.

[225] That's true.

[226] Right?

[227] Yeah.

[228] Come on.

[229] Let's do it.

[230] Anything to wrap up?

[231] Any other question?

[232] No. No. I guess that's all I got.

[233] You got those allergies going again?

[234] At least this time I brought a tissue and didn't have to blow my nose on my skirt or the tablecloth, which I've done before.

[235] I feel like you have blown your nose on.

[236] every surface of anything in this country it's some of the major theaters in this country just don't care anymore yeah you know it's a great feeling know a good allergist please let me know email it email it and thank you in advance for helping me do you want the one allergist yeah that's right I love reactive tissue it's not what allergies do do you want to show everybody your shoes real quick oh sure things?

[237] You rarely wear a high heel.

[238] I fucking hate high heels.

[239] And those look good.

[240] Thank you.

[241] They're only mildly painful.

[242] Thank you.

[243] They belong in the Gaslight District, if anything does.

[244] They do.

[245] They really do.

[246] Can I do the thing?

[247] They're vintage.

[248] They are and they're, that's why they're more comfortable is because someone wore them for years and then I put them on my feet.

[249] It's disgusting.

[250] Some old Italian lady wore them for like 40 years.

[251] They were her church shoes.

[252] Yeah.

[253] And now I'm slutting it up in them.

[254] Yeah.

[255] But for ruining the memory of, what's her name?

[256] Oh, of, you mean Giancarla Rosetti?

[257] Whoops.

[258] That sounds right.

[259] So bad at improvising Italian women's names.

[260] Yeah, we've always said that about you.

[261] I know.

[262] I have to take that class at UCB.

[263] Should we sit down?

[264] Directors chairs.

[265] Directors chairs in San Diego.

[266] We're going to tell you guys what to do.

[267] do.

[268] Then I'm directing, directing.

[269] Is that how it works?

[270] I think so.

[271] And then you just like, and then you just pack it up and walk the fuck away.

[272] That's the nice part.

[273] We get to keep these.

[274] Did you hear?

[275] Just use that Zodjos now.

[276] Yep.

[277] Okay.

[278] To go with the rug.

[279] Beverages.

[280] Did you guys just see me trying to talk into this?

[281] I just tried to go like this.

[282] Beverages are opened and that's how you know the show's starting is the waters are open and I'm trying to talk into it.

[283] the sound guy's watching you hold a bottle of water that close to a mic and he's like good no good go fair enough consummate professionals professional guys someday i'm going to get some tights that are the same color as my dress or maybe ones you just don't notice and then i won't bring all of george's hair with me on my dress to show you that's my dog strangers oh i thought you said george's hair I was like, I'm so sorry because George's hair.

[284] This shit.

[285] Yeah.

[286] I like didn't know.

[287] I was like losing all my hair like that all over you.

[288] Oh yeah, clumps of it are coming out.

[289] I just didn't want to talk about it.

[290] I just didn't know.

[291] Yeah.

[292] And then you just said it and I was like, oh, that's so funny.

[293] Who goes first?

[294] It's me. Okay.

[295] Guys, yeah, it's time.

[296] It's time to talk about all the things you're not supposed to talk about.

[297] right hey this is exciting an all new season of only murders in the building is coming to hulu on august 27th steve martin martin short and selina gomez are back as your favorite podcaster detectives but there's a mystery hanging over everyone who killed saz and were they really after charles why would someone want to kill charles this season murder hits close to home with a threat against one of their own the stakes are higher than ever plus the gang is going to hollywood to turn their podcast into a major Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[298] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[299] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[300] Only Martyrs in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[301] Goodbye.

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[321] Goodbye.

[322] And guess who I'm going to talk about?

[323] Betty Broderick.

[324] I was so excited when I put together, well, really, when Stephen sent me, Stephen sends us like lists of choices that we could have, every city we go to.

[325] He's very thorough.

[326] And each get different choices so we don't overlap.

[327] This wonderful system.

[328] And when I saw Betty Broderick's name on my list, I was like, Oh, fuck yeah, I forgot she lived down there.

[329] I have seen every single fucking forensic files, 20 -20, nightline, every single.

[330] I've seen this woman all my life.

[331] The full house episode, she was in.

[332] She's seen them all.

[333] I'm saying that because I don't know who she is off the top of my head.

[334] So when I find out, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm really bummed.

[335] I made that job.

[336] The Bob Hope Young Comedian Special, where she nailed that seven -minute set.

[337] I mean, she's just been in my life.

[338] No, you do know her, I bet.

[339] I'm sure, but I don't know names.

[340] Well, I'll just tell you about it.

[341] That'll be great.

[342] All of my, most of my information from, of course, Wikipedia.

[343] God bless him.

[344] I use them daily.

[345] Won't give him a dime.

[346] Just kidding, donate.

[347] That's what my father used to say when I would walk in and he would be watching PBS at night.

[348] And I'd be like, what are you watching?

[349] He'd be like, Nova for, free.

[350] That was his big brag.

[351] I've never given him a dime.

[352] Oh my gosh.

[353] Hilarious.

[354] He's never listening to this episode.

[355] You can't.

[356] We have to burn this the second that we're done.

[357] But I got some really good information from a podcast called Once Upon a Crime that you guys probably listened to, hosted by Esther Ludlow.

[358] Elizabeth Ann Broderick grew up in the New York City suburb of Eastchester.

[359] She was the third of six children born to a devout.

[360] two devout Roman Catholic parents.

[361] Her mother was Irish American and her father was Italian American.

[362] That's a bad combination by the way.

[363] I don't know if, are there any Irish Italians here because it's not good.

[364] It's not, right?

[365] You're a lunatic, right?

[366] They're screaming.

[367] Super repressed, but then you also scream all the time.

[368] Like, nothing makes sense.

[369] The Basiglias were very strict parents, and as Betty later recalled, she was trained to act as a housewife since the day she was born.

[370] Go to Catholic schools.

[371] Be careful with dating until you find a Catholic man. Support him while he works.

[372] Be blessed in your later years with beautiful grandchildren.

[373] That was the goal.

[374] Pass.

[375] Hard pass.

[376] No. What's my other option?

[377] I guess like snort cocaine in a small room until you die.

[378] Great.

[379] Yes.

[380] Yes, I picked that one.

[381] She graduates from Eastchester High School in 1965, in that same year when she was 17, she traveled to Indiana with her friend to go watch Notre Dame.

[382] Really?

[383] We're in San Diego.

[384] Pretend you're from San Diego.

[385] Play it cool.

[386] Just kidding.

[387] Go, go, Notre Dame.

[388] She goes to see a Notre Dame football game with her friend, and there she meets a man named Dan Broderick.

[389] He was born in Pittsburgh.

[390] He was the eldest son of a large Irish Catholic family, family, oof.

[391] All Irish Catholic, you're done for.

[392] That's what I'm from.

[393] Not good.

[394] Okay, he wasn't as tall or athletic as the boys that Betty was used to dating because she was gorgeous, you know, like had her choice of men, but he lavished her with attention from the second that they met, he doted on her.

[395] Um, so, uh, she graduates from the College of Mount St. Vincent in the Bronx, uh, where she majored in early childhood education.

[396] Um, And she and Dan date, and then on April 12th, 1969, Dan, they are married.

[397] They honeymoon in the Caribbean, and very soon after they return from the honeymoon, she finds out she's pregnant.

[398] That's right.

[399] You guys.

[400] You Italians and you, Irish.

[401] Just get started right away.

[402] Get those babies.

[403] Don't get to know each other at all.

[404] That's exactly it.

[405] She's like, what's your favorite movie?

[406] It's amazing.

[407] Um, so he was finishing up, uh, his medical degree at Cornell, and they're so poor that they have to move into the dorms together.

[408] This isn't, there's a reenactment, um, uh, that I watched recently and it's, uh, two actors playing the two of them.

[409] And they, they walk, it's amazing.

[410] It's such good acting.

[411] Um, and some really great backting also, because they walk into this dorm room.

[412] Acting.

[413] Is that a thing?

[414] It's my thing.

[415] I love it.

[416] Yeah.

[417] There's, you can really give a lot with your back, if you're a good backder.

[418] I'm going to go to batching class.

[419] You should, you should.

[420] Because that's how you become a great extra.

[421] Yeah, I've done that.

[422] Right?

[423] Is you just, you really let people know something's going on that way.

[424] I've definitely, there's definitely me walking away in the background in a camera, in like, TV shows and shit.

[425] For real?

[426] Just walking away, walking past and walking away.

[427] What do you mean?

[428] I was an extra.

[429] Oh.

[430] Oh, I thought something happened.

[431] When did you get this part?

[432] Well, it was on full house.

[433] Sorry, go on, that was irrelevant.

[434] Wait, was that a 90s thing that you did when you moved to L .A.?

[435] Moved into the city?

[436] Clueless the TV show.

[437] Yes.

[438] Darmah and Greg.

[439] Darmah and Greg?

[440] Yeah.

[441] Were you one of the people in their living room?

[442] Yeah, just in the corner.

[443] You know I had someone in the corner hiding every episode?

[444] You guys didn't know that?

[445] I was the girl hide her in the living room.

[446] room.

[447] And then some stupid shit, other stupid shit.

[448] Well, congratulations.

[449] Thank you.

[450] It was really a highlight of my life.

[451] I bet.

[452] Did you get to, did you get to wait for like 18 hours?

[453] 18 hours.

[454] Yeah.

[455] Eat hard boiled eggs and...

[456] Backed it up.

[457] Right.

[458] Okay.

[459] Excuse me. Goodbye.

[460] Oh, and Joan of Arcadia.

[461] Whoa.

[462] Deep cut.

[463] Yeah.

[464] Who was Joan of Arcadia?

[465] Oh, you mean the actress?

[466] No, the storyline.

[467] Like, just tell me the whole, series arc really quick.

[468] I was on it.

[469] I didn't watch it.

[470] You didn't write it?

[471] I didn't write it.

[472] I don't understand how any of it works.

[473] Okay.

[474] In this reenactment, Betty and Dan walk in, and they have to move into a legit dorm room, a married couple, and she's pregnant.

[475] It's the saddest thing I've ever seen.

[476] Like, one of those dorm rooms with the cement blocks as walls where you can't, like, put up your poster unless you get that special gum adhesive, like dark, dark times for Dan and Betty.

[477] So, their daughter Kim is born in 1970, and a second daughter, Lee, is born the next year.

[478] Guys.

[479] Irish twins.

[480] Dan finishes medical school and then tells Betty he's decided that he's...

[481] No. What?

[482] Now...

[483] Sorry.

[484] I didn't mean stop.

[485] Go.

[486] You meant, like, you don't like where this is headed?

[487] Yeah.

[488] Dan's now going to get his law degree.

[489] Oh, okay.

[490] Because he's decided that he's...

[491] going to be a medical malpractice lawyer, that that's where the money is at, which he was all about.

[492] And so he had to get a student loan.

[493] He goes to Harvard Law, and Betty starts working.

[494] She's two kids and working so that he can go through law school.

[495] Honey.

[496] After four years, he graduates and he's hired by a very high -status law firm here in San Diego, so he moves the whole family to coral reef.

[497] Nobody?

[498] Did I cut and paste that wrong?

[499] Or did he literally move them onto a coral reef?

[500] And that's nothing that...

[501] I feel like a lot of these, the places where bad things happen, they change the name of the place immediately to just to be like, you can't find it, you weirdo tourists.

[502] Oh, that used to be called Knifetown, but we had to change the name.

[503] Bad things happen.

[504] all right but now he's got this high status job so she she doesn't have to work anymore right so she gets to be the housewife that she's always been told that she has to be um so dan um the more successful he becomes at this law firm and he's very successful the longer and longer his hours become and uh because he's you know he tells betty he's out whining and dining clients and working really hard well she of course is getting pissed and she makes dinners and he misses them and she kind of starts ranting to the kids talking about their father and he's not here and you know like really she always had this habit of kind of when she got mad she didn't care what she said in front of the kids that is a ticket to therapy for those kids Romance Town 100 but she's feeling intensely unappreciated she's caring for two small children she's in this house by herself, you know, there's no adults around.

[505] She doesn't like the family dynamic, essentially.

[506] So at one point she convinces, or they go to, I shouldn't say she convinced him, they went to Marriage Encounter, which was this Catholic marriage retreat in the 70s or mid -early 80s.

[507] Marriage Encounter.

[508] My parents, not only did my parents go.

[509] No. My parents went, and they had a sticker on the back of my dad's Volkswagen.

[510] Marriage Encounter.

[511] As if, like, where are you?

[512] good.

[513] We're doing it with the Lord's help.

[514] Oh, my God.

[515] Yeah.

[516] Big time.

[517] It just sounds like a swingers retreat for people who believe in UFOs.

[518] How dare you?

[519] Doesn't it?

[520] Marriage encounter?

[521] Like, whenever I'm, like, you want to have an encounter with your fucking partner.

[522] You don't want to have, like, a...

[523] Just be something like...

[524] For people who believe in UFOs.

[525] Marriage encounter.

[526] Yeah.

[527] Swinging with aliens That's right It's marriage Encounter An encounter's just like The least romantic Marriage word Yeah I don't get it I'm gonna change that name Marriage passing experience What they did at marriage encounter Was you'd have to write your spouse a long letter Talking about how you felt about the marriage And when I was like Barp when I was like eight I found my parents letters No, Karen I love Little Karen She's such a bad girl Little Karen Little Karen didn't Wasn't good with boundaries But little Karen Didn't raise herself Someone No I actually didn't read I started to read them And it started with my moms And it was like Dear Jim You're this and you're that And then I was like Ew This is none of my business Good for you.

[528] You are good with boundaries, though.

[529] You were like, here it is.

[530] I'm creeped out by love.

[531] I mean, they were married for like 45 years, so marriage encounter works.

[532] Sign up today.

[533] Yeah.

[534] My parents didn't go.

[535] Divorced quickly.

[536] One of them fast divorces.

[537] Yeah.

[538] Okay.

[539] In Dan Slander, he talks about how he knows he's a workaholic, and he knows he's not being a good husband or good father, but he has these.

[540] financial goals that he really wants to reach.

[541] And Betty's letter is all about being alone in the marriage.

[542] It must have been an okay experience for them because soon after they had their third child, a boy named Dan.

[543] So at this point, Betty has two preschoolers and an infant at home.

[544] And she started to feel like she's losing her identity.

[545] Meanwhile, Dan is so successful in doing so well.

[546] he actually became slightly locally famous because he represented one of the families of the victims of Brenda Spencer the I don't like Monday school shooter so he became well kind of well known so by the fall of 1991 he's doing so well he leaves his original law firm and opens his own and he gets these big fancy offices in a high rise and he asked Betty to redecorate the office And she comes in and she kills it.

[547] It's gorgeous.

[548] Everyone is, like, amazed.

[549] And it's all very high status in, like...

[550] 70s.

[551] I bet it's so 70s.

[552] Oh, my God.

[553] The brass and the crumb.

[554] The smoked glass.

[555] Can you see it?

[556] Ferns everywhere.

[557] Ferns.

[558] She's like, we'll have a fern garden over here.

[559] Macromate everywhere.

[560] And armpit hair over here.

[561] Oh, no, sorry.

[562] This is 81.

[563] Rainbows, neon rainbows.

[564] And a nagel in the entrance.

[565] way.

[566] Okay.

[567] So Dan buys a two -seater jaguar and Betty loses her fucking shit.

[568] Hell yeah.

[569] Right?

[570] It's his dream car, but she's like you clearly have no interest in being part of his family.

[571] Although to be fair, back in the 80s, they were like, throw them in the trunk or like put them on the front seat together.

[572] That's true.

[573] Don't worry about seatbelts.

[574] Grab that roof.

[575] Meanwhile, Betty drove a suburban and her personalized license plate read Load them up.

[576] So she was like Yeah, she was doing that mother thing.

[577] My God, sexism exists.

[578] Or it did in the 80s, I don't know.

[579] Doesn't anymore.

[580] But she was like, she was playing the part and they were super rich.

[581] Like she bought, they bought stuff.

[582] She had a spending problem, they said, and she bought shit all the time.

[583] The kids had everything they could possibly want.

[584] She bought designer clothes.

[585] She was like super into the way she looked.

[586] But she was getting really neurotic because, because she was starting to gain weight, and she was getting older, and she was starting to gain weight, and she felt like she was losing her looks, and so she was starting at, like, compulsive kind of reaction.

[587] I'm not analyzing her.

[588] I don't know her.

[589] But she does sound a lot, like when I read through the story, I was like, did she take diet pills?

[590] Because she acts a lot like me when I was on diet pills.

[591] It's like when you start yelling at somebody, and then you just kind of can't stop yelling, or in your mind, you're like, I don't feel this way anymore, and yet my mouth is still angry.

[592] I don't know what to do.

[593] It's a theory.

[594] It's not a fact.

[595] So, okay, so the fights are beginning to escalate.

[596] So when Dan would come home late from work, she'd lock him out of the house.

[597] He'd have to throw rocks at the kids' windows so they could let him in.

[598] And then if they did that, Betty would yell at the kids.

[599] That was the worst part.

[600] These kids were right in the middle of this awful marriage, and they got screamed at constantly by Betty.

[601] by Betty being angry at Dan, she would scream at them because they were the only ones there.

[602] She would scream about how awful he was and she started cursing and getting really foul mouth, which I don't have a problem with, but it's not cool around five -year -olds.

[603] It works for me. Did Janet have a mouth on her?

[604] Oh, fuck yeah.

[605] And then she'd be like, do as I say, not as I do.

[606] Don't curse.

[607] Do as I say, not as I do as we're fucking jam.

[608] For everything.

[609] Saying.

[610] As she took a big drag of a joy.

[611] Yeah.

[612] So here's this fucked up thing When Dan wouldn't come home from work She would sit the kids down And tell them they were getting divorced And then all the kids would get super upset And then she'd go Now since we're getting divorced Which parent do you want to live with And it would be super upsetting And then it wasn't until Dan would come home from work That he would be like, no we're not getting divorced It's everyone, everything's fine So it was that In this story I always had that thing of like, you know, this story has been in kind of like, in society, in our minds, I guess, since the 80s since it happened, because at first it was like the fucking crazy wife, you know, goes crazy.

[613] And then there was the second wave of, or was she driven crazy?

[614] And there's lots of ways to take it.

[615] But when I hear stories like that, it's just like, whatever's happening, that is not fair.

[616] And that control yourself.

[617] figure out a way to control yourself because you are, that's abuse.

[618] You're abusing four children repeatedly.

[619] So, and the other problem was that when they would fight, he would just ignore her.

[620] Which as I was typing it, I was getting furious because it was like, she already had an anger problem and he would just pretend like nothing was happening and like sit down and eat dinner.

[621] Dan, but he's Irish Catholic and that's how we do it.

[622] shut it down inside um so then it in the fall of 1983 he hires a woman named linda uh colkenna to be his legal assistant linda before that had been a delta airlines flight attendant had no legal training bet she's hot she was a very homely girl with large glasses right and large spanks no that's not true at all in fact Betty overheard Dan describing her Linda as being beautiful at a Christmas party and lost her fucking shit of course and immediately became convinced that the two of them were having an affair and she would harangued Dan about it all the time and ask him about it and he was like you're crazy or crazy or crazy gas -lamping her yes right you know how it is in the gas light district he would take her to the gaslight district and gas lamp the fuck out of her That November She threw They had Both of their birthdays were in November So she threw a dinner party And had this big party Made this huge gourmet meal He didn't fucking show up for it What a dick And that night she You know attempted suicide Very very light cuts on her wrists That when he came home he bandaged them And put her to bed and took care of her but she was clearly in a very, very bad place.

[623] So she started hinting around at Christmas time.

[624] She starts hinting around that she wants this emerald ring for Christmas.

[625] And on Christmas Day, when he hands her the velvet jewelry box and she opens it up, it isn't the one she wanted, it's smaller and less expensive, and she throws a fucking tantrum and, like, shuts Christmas down.

[626] Uh -huh.

[627] So priorities.

[628] You know what I mean?

[629] Like, you fight for what you need.

[630] emotionally.

[631] I mean, maybe it was ugly.

[632] We don't know.

[633] I mean, it's an Emerald.

[634] What the fuck do you want?

[635] Yeah.

[636] What are you in fucking Wizard of Oz?

[637] What are you going to?

[638] What are you going to go to the Emerald City and fucking get your hair curled like Dorothy?

[639] Who are we?

[640] Calm down.

[641] So, and this whole time these fights are escalating.

[642] He actually moved out after that.

[643] He packed his bags after she ruined Christmas, moved out.

[644] After two weeks, she was like, the children can't be, or inconsolable.

[645] And so he moved back.

[646] Oh, that's healthy for them.

[647] Yeah.

[648] It's healthy for all of them.

[649] So, let's see.

[650] This is a very odd point.

[651] The straw that broke the camel's back for Dan was during one of these horrible fights, Betty threw a bottle of gel at him.

[652] Like hair gel?

[653] Hair gel.

[654] Yeah.

[655] Was he really into his hair gel?

[656] I mean, it was 1985.

[657] Everybody was relayed to hair gel.

[658] You didn't, it was actually a city mandate that you had to wear a shit ton of hair gel.

[659] Remember that, like, what was it, like, Malibu, something?

[660] And it looked like jello when you just...

[661] Yeah.