167 - Bomb Grade

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only murders in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] Hello.

[17] And welcome.

[18] To my favorite murder.

[19] The Maxisone.

[20] The maxi pad episode.

[21] This is the episode where we pour blue water onto your, the maxi pad of your interest.

[22] Here's what we promise you.

[23] It will be super absorbent.

[24] Yep.

[25] Unscented.

[26] There will be no leaks this entire episode.

[27] There'll be wings, but they'll work.

[28] Oh, man. The darn things got wings.

[29] Do you remember those ads?

[30] No. When the always first came out with maxi pads with wings, which is, it should have happened years ago.

[31] It was a new thing.

[32] It was so new.

[33] Kids.

[34] It came, I think in the 90s, right?

[35] Late 80s, maybe.

[36] I may be in my period yet.

[37] And there was literally a lady in the commercial.

[38] It did not apply to it.

[39] There's a lady in the commercial holding up this nutso -looking huge maxi -pad with the wings going, the darn things got wings.

[40] That's cute.

[41] Where is she today?

[42] Damn.

[43] She died of toxic shock syndrome.

[44] Because the whole thing was made of asbestos.

[45] They didn't realize back then that they shouldn't kill women internally.

[46] They didn't know you shouldn't just shove asbestos right up your...

[47] Anyway.

[48] look listen that's how we're talking up listen this is just a free association episode whatever the mouths happen Karen's eating Canadian kick cats I keep forgetting there is a okay talk about it we have an let's do an office corner because I have a thing you tell a thing okay my thing in the office because we're in the office it's the new studios it's very exciting every day there's a new thing now the walls are painted That's exactly right.

[49] That's exactly right.

[50] The acoustic tiles are up waiting to be hung so that all the sound is perfection.

[51] There's a Stephen in the corner.

[52] Stephen's got his whole thing set up, including my favorite new clock.

[53] There's a Stephen Corner at Corrections on Stephen Corner.

[54] But my favorite thing, which is, and I apologize for you having to listen to you, but we are given so much candy and we might need to ask please less candy at the shows.

[55] We have so much candy in this office.

[56] that there is a literal humongous drawer filled with Canadian Kit Katz in our kitchen and that's every time we come to record, I just go open that drawer and pull one out for myself.

[57] It's amazing.

[58] How about we do a roll that if your name is Leslie?

[59] No, how about if you were born in the month of October, May or August, you can bring us candy if you want.

[60] But otherwise.

[61] Or if your name is Leslie.

[62] Or if your name is Leslie.

[63] Other than that.

[64] With a Y, whatever.

[65] Doesn't matter.

[66] And we're going to look at your driver's license too.

[67] You have to.

[68] Just an eye.

[69] Yeah.

[70] Yep.

[71] Yes, because it's getting so out of hand.

[72] And it's very difficult not to eat high quality chocolate if it's near you.

[73] These fucking salted carmels we get from, this is the best chocolate here in our, in fucking Omaha.

[74] And it's salted caramel.

[75] And then the other problem is that I love dark chocolate.

[76] You hate it.

[77] So I immediately get the dark chocolate.

[78] And then my suitcase is full of dark chocolate salted carmels and I want to cry.

[79] I mean, and here's the thing.

[80] everybody that gives us gifts has really good taste.

[81] They know what a good gift is to give.

[82] They know to go to the oldest candy store in their town because it reflects the town.

[83] It reflects quality.

[84] It harkens back to a time of your for whites.

[85] Let's be specific.

[86] But it really is the best.

[87] So I will go home with a little box like a Seas or Whitman style tiny box of local candy and just be like, I have to eat it.

[88] I'm here.

[89] I'm here in Pittsburgh.

[90] I do the thing of, I'm going to bring this home and give it to my mom.

[91] Or I have a, I have a shelf of like, I'm just going to give that to someone else.

[92] Like, it's so nice, but I don't want this or that.

[93] And then I just end up eating it all.

[94] There's a whole fucking can of maple syrup.

[95] Someone gave us in Canada that is like, well, I shouldn't let this go to waste.

[96] And now I have a fucking can of maple syrup.

[97] That's like me sometimes when I'm in the grocery store and I want to buy candy, but I'm so ashamed to be buying candy that I have to make up a story in my head where I start the story this is for the kids someone's going to come over later yep this is for the kids there's not one child in my neighborhood I don't I'm not friends with anybody in a day -to -day basis that I see children you don't own any children there's no I don't have them hidden in the attic there's no fucking kids why okay hold on there's a net we're gonna get him record this or it might be edited out if it's terrible but there's a fucking that and I swear there's a get in your face nat that's flying through this room right now I bet you it's because we turn the lights off and it's cold up there now yeah but also I can can't tell the gnat from the um floaters in my eyes oh shit i promise there's an no i saw it coming at me or this it'll happen at some point we'll get that little motherfucker my office update corner so let's talk about the raggedy clown that we there's okay i think we talked about this in the past episode we'll put a photo of it up and maybe a video of it up on our social network someone gifted us what's a raggedy it looks like a raggedy ann but it's a clown and on one side it's a happy face and then you turn it over the other side in the back of his head it's a fucking vintage clown sad face with um with tears on its own face crying knit tears almost got him didn't get it knit tears why is it happening they and i and i was talking so i came here early and i was talking to stephen and daniel his private conversation yeah but i'm going to tell you about it now okay okay no no no so i walk in the office and i'm like why is the clown right there?

[98] That's not where we originally put the clown.

[99] And it's a weird place in a weird place.

[100] And I realize that lately I've been coming in the office and it's been in different places every time.

[101] So I come in here and Stephen and Danielle, who's our exactly right executive producer.

[102] Yes.

[103] And she's running this network.

[104] She's so fucking amazing.

[105] Danielle Kramer, we love her the best.

[106] And I said, which one of you guys are moving the clown?

[107] Like, as a joke?

[108] And they were both like, we are not moving it.

[109] And I believe them.

[110] They're not lying people.

[111] And then at 5 a .m. the other day, the alarm went off.

[112] here and it's moving all the time and then Danielle said when she listened to the video of the alarm going off she heard like creepy voices no yes she I didn't know that yeah I just found out and I was like don't tell Karen I'm going to tell her on the podcast okay because I absolutely assumed Stephen was moving the clown Stephen well so I have moved it once or twice but but this last time they came in and there was something on the floor and I took a picture and sent it to Danielle because if anything goes wrong, I'm like, let's see, Danielle.

[113] And it was part of the alarm system.

[114] Yeah, yeah, and I'm like, Danielle knows what's up.

[115] She's going to, she's, yeah, she's running the place.

[116] And then she was like, oh, do you mind just putting it back in its spot?

[117] And so I went, went back into the main room and put it in its spot.

[118] I noticed the clown was in the corner.

[119] Like turned around in the clown.

[120] Like the clown was in the, I did not notice it when I walked in.

[121] I'm like getting chills just saying right now, but.

[122] It's fucking chucky.

[123] But can I just say this then?

[124] The other night when I was leaving, I did, I don't know if I moved to the clown.

[125] Oh, no. But I definitely turned the clown around so it wasn't the crying face.

[126] It was the happy face.

[127] Because I was like, we don't need to be looking at the sad side of the clown.

[128] Well, the only other person that could have done it, the only other employee and person who works for exactly right media is our, is Jay.

[129] Yes.

[130] And the three of you could not be more like more of an honest bunch that wouldn't fucking play pranks.

[131] So I don't.

[132] Okay.

[133] So here's my idea.

[134] Because it's two days after April Fool.

[135] So it would just be lame.

[136] Like Stephen honestly, drop the prank now.

[137] Steven, look at me. God damn it, you rascal.

[138] So here was my idea in case it is haunted and then we're like, let's get rid of it.

[139] But I think it's the coolest thing.

[140] And I remember the two girls who gave it to us.

[141] I feel like the women that gave it to us, it was in.

[142] Okay, wait, wait.

[143] Oh, okay.

[144] Okay.

[145] So I'm 100 % wrong.

[146] But I remember it being these two gals in Arizona being like, we found this today at a thrift store and we thought it'd be great for you.

[147] and then we started crying and they were like so happy about our reaction so Stephen and Danielle had the great idea we're going to fucking Arizona this weekend drop it back off and give it back to them and give it to the hometown person that's your problem now but then we have to fly with it that's right and we have to buy it as its own seat did you know that you have to strap it in you can't just sit in your lap or underneath the scene running out hunted clowns man those are expensive for some reason I remembered getting that clown from those guys, those people, those women after the Circleville when we were in Ohio.

[148] I feel like that's the area we were in.

[149] But now you could tell me anywhere.

[150] You could tell me, I think you're right, but let's pretend I am and bring it with us this weekend.

[151] Stephen, will you look up in the email just because I feel like we had at least one conversation with the people who gave us the email that then said, we are the ones that sent you the clown.

[152] See, to end the clown.

[153] Either, wait.

[154] I got it.

[155] Are you sure that's not part of the Kit Kat?

[156] It might be in your Kit Kat now.

[157] That's probably for the best.

[158] Well, we should find out because if you take it to Arizona, you're just unleashing the clown.

[159] You know what?

[160] Maybe it's for it.

[161] Maybe we need it.

[162] It's for everyone.

[163] That's right.

[164] Good.

[165] Exactly.

[166] Am I right?

[167] We throw it into the crowd.

[168] It's up to you now to fucking handle this.

[169] But what if if we bring on the plane and it's an emotional support, haunted clown, then is it fine?

[170] Well, it depends on how much support it.

[171] brings you and if it really makes the difference because we could travel and take this journey with this haunted clown and find out that all along the haunted clown was inside us.

[172] Okay, all right.

[173] And this weekend, Vince isn't going to be with us on tour because it's WrestleMania and that's the only thing he would forsake us for nothing else.

[174] Yeah, except for he would not have any part of that clown.

[175] No, you're right.

[176] He wouldn't.

[177] Or you're saying, I'm just saying, it's getting.

[178] Or WrestleMania would be the only thing.

[179] It's definitely going to be a weird weekend.

[180] We're going to be off our kilters because we don't have our grounding.

[181] Emotional support, Vince.

[182] Yes, our emotional support soil that is Vince Averill.

[183] But we'll have a word.

[184] Okay, it'll be fine.

[185] Everything's fine.

[186] We'll see if it's fine or not.

[187] Well, we'll let you know.

[188] You'll know.

[189] You'll definitely know.

[190] You'll be the first to know.

[191] Smoke and the flames.

[192] And you'll know.

[193] Now, the last time we were in Phoenix, that was when we were in the revolving theater.

[194] The circle stage revolving theater.

[195] Really one of the most fun times of my life, I think.

[196] Yeah.

[197] That night, that audience, the interaction, and the fact that the stage was moving the entire fucking time, I will never forget it.

[198] That was beautiful.

[199] It was magical.

[200] We have some announcements.

[201] Oh, yeah.

[202] Because we have this podcast network.

[203] Yeah, this is exactly right corner.

[204] God, you got to get something better than that.

[205] Yeah.

[206] Well, these are just update.

[207] These are network updates.

[208] This is a do, da, da, da, da, da, yeah, da, da, da.

[209] Yes.

[210] That's my news.

[211] Teletype.

[212] Your phone is buzzing exactly when that was going on.

[213] Is that your phone?

[214] Let's just see who it is.

[215] Okay.

[216] I'm so excited.

[217] Is that it?

[218] Oh.

[219] It's from San Juan Capistrano.

[220] Oh, your favorite place to vacation.

[221] What would that be?

[222] Your favorite.

[223] I love to go down when the swallows come back and shoot swallows.

[224] Bite their heads up.

[225] Have you, it's the best vacation.

[226] Listen, PETA, email it.

[227] we love your cartoons we love your interactions um oh yeah so god exactly right is the podcast network we have started and the jensen and holes murder squad just premiered um and you guys came out in full force these guys have been number one on the overall podcast network charts since the night before it premiered and has staying now i i want i want to convey how incredible this is to us to and how much this means to us and how important this is.

[228] And this podcast is incredible, Jensen & Hall's Murder Squad, but it says so much.

[229] You guys made us look really fucking good.

[230] Yeah, because we were like, we swear to God, if you guys help us make this, this thing will go.

[231] It will be big and people will love it.

[232] We had to sell it.

[233] Yeah.

[234] And it really worked.

[235] And the ultimate, I was telling you, Danielle and Steve in this earlier, but the ultimate compliment was the day after it came out, my sister called, who is not a murder, you know.

[236] and is not interested.

[237] She's real happy for you.

[238] She's proud from a distance, but doesn't want to get involved.

[239] So that's her whole stance on everything.

[240] And she is, she doesn't like true crime.

[241] It freaks her out.

[242] She listened anyway and loved it.

[243] And she was just like, it's amazing that I love the song.

[244] I love the whole setup in the beginning.

[245] But to listen to professional people discuss the jobs they've had and the work they've done and where it is now and where they want it to go.

[246] She's like, I think it's going to change the way people interact.

[247] with, like, their media.

[248] I think so, too.

[249] And I just, here's the thing, you don't have to believe Laura Kilgariff, but she is the one that spotted George Clooney on the early episodes of the facts of life when he was just a handyman at the store and was like, who's that guy?

[250] And it was back when he had long, weird hair and was kind of beefy.

[251] She Clooneyed.

[252] She clunied early.

[253] Yeah, and hard.

[254] And hard.

[255] Oh, God.

[256] So, but this week, on the network, all six podcasts that we have, have brand new episodes.

[257] So we'll read them to you now.

[258] Of course, it's Jensen & Hull's Murder Squad, which the next episode two drops Monday, April 8th next Monday.

[259] And so make sure you subscribe because it's not going to be on our feed this time.

[260] Right.

[261] Yeah.

[262] Go join it and subscribe and support and rate and do all those things that you know help podcast.

[263] Do you know technology?

[264] You know how to do it.

[265] Also, on Do You Need a Ride with me and Chris Fairbanks this week, the great Martha Kelly, who plays Martha on Baskets, is our guest.

[266] Stephen was there for the recording.

[267] We had a really good time driving around Mount Washington very randomly.

[268] Sure.

[269] Just driving around on the east side of L .A. Who hasn't had a good time driving around Mount Washington?

[270] It's pretty great.

[271] Martha, a lot of you guys know her from Baskets, but before she was on Baskett, she was just a really well -known and very well -respected stand -up comic.

[272] I don't think people understand how hilariously funny she is.

[273] And her and Chris are old friends, so she really is just the funniest person.

[274] Yes.

[275] I love her.

[276] Yeah.

[277] And then there's a new episode of the Purrcast, of course, Stephen, or Stephen Ray Morris.

[278] He just wooed in the corner.

[279] And so here's a crossover, you guys.

[280] So this podcast will kill you.

[281] Another podcast on our networks, Aaron Allman Updike is the guest this week, which is so cool.

[282] We met her and she's such an angel baby.

[283] And then last week, I think it was Lisa Hannawalt, who created an animates Chuka and Bertie, also aka Fakhin Bojok Horseman.

[284] And she's a friend of the podcast as well.

[285] and it's just a lot of fun.

[286] And you talk about cats, but it's more than that.

[287] It is.

[288] If you don't like cats, you'll still like the podcast.

[289] There's more, there's more to be had.

[290] Yeah, what do you fucking want?

[291] Also, there's season four of the fall line just started.

[292] It starts today.

[293] And of course, wrapping it up with the exactly right network, hit podcast, this podcast will kill you.

[294] This week, hookworms.

[295] I got so, I went hookworms when I got so.

[296] I love this shit.

[297] And they have a great Instagram where they, every episode when they, whatever the topic is, they show vintage like ads and posters and warnings and all the shit of whatever the fucking insanity is.

[298] Yes.

[299] And it's just really entertaining.

[300] It's great.

[301] And it was so fun when we got to meet Aaron, Allman Updick.

[302] She came to the studio and we all get to stand in the hallway.

[303] And that's the funniest thing is, this is us bringing this network together.

[304] We haven't gotten all to stand together at any moment and go, oh, my.

[305] God, thank you, welcome, or whatever.

[306] It was like our first face -to -face with her.

[307] We still have to meet the other errand.

[308] She's in Finland?

[309] Stephen?

[310] Where are our errands?

[311] Yeah, she's in Finland.

[312] But it was just so exciting because it's like, to us, it's all been this conceptual stuff we've been working on for two years.

[313] And all of a sudden, now we're all standing in the hallway giggling about the fact that it's really happening.

[314] It's really exciting.

[315] And meanwhile, I'm in a three -piece suit.

[316] Yes.

[317] What are people who wear to offices?

[318] Yeah, totally three.

[319] Tweed suits.

[320] Hard shoes.

[321] There's a cane.

[322] dockers there's dockers everywhere in this office definitely boat shoes but there's boats and boats the cool thing is if um you have a podcast on this network we give you a super yacht which i think is more than fair that's right but that's actually the nickname for a disease that next season this podcast will kill you is going to cover super yacht have you ever had super yacht you haven't been inoculated for the super yacht oh shoot you're going to need some neosporin get your ass to walgreens go stand in wall greens uncomfortable uh what else you know what we haven't talked about and just can we please skip our our our discussion timeline is so off because we've been on the road for so long i just need to have a three -minute moment for the madeline mccann series on netflix all the series we haven't talked about endless series endless series but that's the one that is because i don't i haven't been watching a ton of them lately yeah um so there have been a couple conversations where I'm just silently smiling while everyone else does it because I'm not going to say I want to watch it eventually but I have to pace it out for myself.

[323] Madeline McCann though, oh shit, if you haven't watched it, I highly recommend it.

[324] Okay, I got a little into it and was like, where is this going?

[325] And it made me really sad.

[326] Yes.

[327] It's only bad.

[328] It doesn't, you don't get out of that.

[329] Nope.

[330] No. They don't find.

[331] It keeps going down and down.

[332] down and down and then you're like well this is the worst that could happen to these people but it is absolutely not the worst it's terrible and horrifying yes and it's the thing you need to know and it's it's really well done yes I did really enjoy watching it I watched a lot of it and then it's yeah it's very compelling but I think after a while it like you get worn down by the reality of it I mean there's at one point I'll just say this as spoiler like in like year three they realized just no one had been looking for her at all for three years.

[333] There's things like that where you just you think you know what this case is.

[334] Right.

[335] I think I know what the case is.

[336] I had a completely different opinion when I went in and even not finishing the series.

[337] I, you know, I'm heartbroken for her parents and it's just, it's just, I think I got really sick of listening to that one detective lie.

[338] The Portuguese cop.

[339] Yeah, I got sick of the Portuguese cop being able to say whatever the fuck he wanted on.

[340] Like I didn't like him to a point that made it too hard.

[341] Does he die?

[342] Carra just made me Carra just made a face in me that was so like I know what it was It was waiting you see what happens right Well but I mean we're all going to die And I didn't mean to sound so excited About someone's death It was this again is a spoiler And I'll only say it to you And then I don't know We can do it well we will I just wish they could see The face you made of me It was like a Well I have a secret And I'm from the South I'm like this because I'm like, well, you didn't watch it, did you?

[343] Well, now I'm going to tell you.

[344] Her finger on her chin, like, well, I'll just wait for you to be stupid.

[345] My enjoyment of my enjoyment of you not knowing isn't because I'm not enjoying you being stupid.

[346] It's, we all have that.

[347] But it's almost like that thing where somebody is watching something like, I can't take it anymore.

[348] And you turned it off right before the grate and you're like, wait, all you fucking see it?

[349] But let me just tell you, he makes a movie about his side of the story.

[350] Oh, I, no. Did you watch that part?

[351] No, I only got to the book.

[352] I dip back in simply for the film that they released on Portuguese television that is the most bizarre propaganda, weird thing you've ever seen.

[353] I'm going to dip my bandaged toe into that water, even though I was told not to put in water.

[354] She just made the face to me again.

[355] okay oh wait till you fucking hear that's like gossip okay it's almost like these days that's yeah it's this that story i can't believe it so it really it is i love that it's out because i definitely was like i think when you told me you have you watched it i was like well the parents did it right and and then you watch me like how could i have thought that and it's like this is because the media told you exactly because the tabloid media is evil evil yeah crazy yeah and they justify anything, they'll do anything to sell a paper, including like, you know, including the things that they did the McCanns.

[356] It's just insane.

[357] Totally.

[358] And we have to watch the Mommy Dead and Dearest fucking play.

[359] Screenplay.

[360] Patty Arquette?

[361] Yes.

[362] Yes.

[363] I have to see that.

[364] I haven't seen that yet.

[365] I actually was so excited and started watching it with Vince and he was like, I can't do this.

[366] Like, watch it alone.

[367] Murdering us.

[368] Yes.

[369] Probably.

[370] Munch Houses by proxy is so specifically awful.

[371] It's just dark.

[372] Yeah.

[373] And I was like, well, I'm not going to, no, I won't watch it.

[374] But dude, I can't wait.

[375] But it's not for people who are not.

[376] And I was like, what?

[377] This isn't anything.

[378] We can watch this and he couldn't deal with it.

[379] No. No, no. It's because it's kids.

[380] I know.

[381] It's kids.

[382] I know.

[383] It's terrible.

[384] But God bless Patty Arquette.

[385] What a talented actress who's persevering.

[386] Despite the fact that she has bunch houses.

[387] No, we're not spread.

[388] No, this isn't a documentary about Patti Arquette's Munch Houses by proxy.

[389] Stop spreading that rumor.

[390] That's ludicrous.

[391] And the idea that even that you gossip at all is sad.

[392] Truly.

[393] What is wrong with you?

[394] We like to berate listeners and just get them in line a little bit.

[395] Hey, this is exciting.

[396] An all new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[397] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detective.

[398] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[399] Who killed Saz?

[400] And were they really after Charles?

[401] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[402] This season, murder hits close to home.

[403] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[404] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[405] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[406] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[407] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfenakis, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, Devine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[408] Only Martyrs in the Building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[409] Goodbye.

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[411] Absolutely.

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[429] Goodbye.

[430] I would swear that I'm first.

[431] Is that right?

[432] Yes.

[433] Oh, it must feel great.

[434] Well, this is also the, I feel like the first time we've done two in a row in this studio in like four years.

[435] Two in a row and we've been home for more than three days.

[436] Yeah.

[437] I feel like I'm living my life.

[438] I'm getting MRIs.

[439] I had one dinner with a friend.

[440] I'm just like you're out and about.

[441] Look at me doing things like a normal human being.

[442] I am, uh, I have reached a level of cuddling with my dogs.

[443] That is, I feel like my dog, George, is having a real emotional impact from me being gone so much.

[444] I mean, yeah.

[445] Because she gets up into the bed and then cut and snuggles up onto my shoulder where I'm like we're here like I can't you can't get closer to me and she wants to be like I want if you leave I want to feel it I want to know yes it's very sad also she's the size of a small horse so it's not like normal cuddling with pets it's like oh look the horses here the need the needy emotionally needy horses here you're her emotional support Karen that's right oh god I'm wearing I'm wear a little blue vest when she's around oh you're okay George and she's like You can touch her.

[446] It's okay.

[447] To strangers who are like, what kind of dog are you?

[448] What kind of dog are you?

[449] That's sad and sweet.

[450] It's very sad.

[451] Leaving this weekend.

[452] Yeah.

[453] But I'm going to take them to the old dog camp, so they never know because it is water and pools and stuff like that.

[454] I mean, take me there for a fucking weekend.

[455] Okay.

[456] Please.

[457] Take me there.

[458] Well, I'm first.

[459] Great.

[460] So here we go.

[461] Okay.

[462] Karen.

[463] Yes.

[464] You know I love.

[465] some fucked up shit.

[466] Yeah, you do.

[467] Shit that goes all the way to the time.

[468] Right?

[469] I always say.

[470] Oh, are you going to tear down some major established?

[471] Maybe.

[472] Yeah.

[473] This is the mysterious death of Karen Silkwood.

[474] Yes.

[475] I haven't either of us done this.

[476] Or thought of it at all.

[477] Did you watch the movie?

[478] Yes, I will get to that.

[479] Okay, that's right.

[480] I tried, yes, I've seen the movie.

[481] I tried to watch it again.

[482] It's available nowhere.

[483] Right.

[484] Really surprisingly.

[485] except on YouTube, of course.

[486] And it's available on YouTube in the left -hand corner of the screen.

[487] Perfect.

[488] And the rest of it is someone's like screen -saver space.

[489] It's like literally outer space coming at you.

[490] That's how the director wanted it to be seen.

[491] That's the original intent was that it was going to be shot and presented that way.

[492] You can't understand all the words.

[493] No, why would you?

[494] But she didn't the gist.

[495] Yeah.

[496] So I did my best and I watched a lot of it.

[497] great but if you're I bet you anything your fucking dad has a VHS copy of it if he does I'm telling you that you're getting the combination of a fresh 80s share oh and then Meryl Streep at the height of her shit she is so fucking good in this movie and share is amazing yeah as we all know everybody's everybody's got a hairstyle in that movie that I go like I need that hair yeah that is the hair that would make me seem just generally appealing I could see Cher's hair on you like a big curly long thing it's what i've always wanted you need that but i share has the perfect face for it because she has like a long dramatic you know very beautiful face like it doesn't hide behind her hair right i have a campbell soup kid face so when i have dramatic hair like that it looks like i put my mom's wig on and i'm running around the living room maybe you need to get a cut out of a campbell soup can and wear it as a like around her like you know like a sandwich board maybe you need that and i could just make a little bit more money from the campbell soup people who's that she's so beautiful oh my god she loves soup and i mean beautiful like the way a weird baby is beautiful she's soup and she's beautiful she's super she's super beautiful shit okay i've had a can of wine all right me too not really did you eat that bug i killed okay karen dictionary defines the word whistleblower as one who reveals something covert or who informs against another.

[498] Wow.

[499] This is serious.

[500] And a martyr as a person who sacrifices something of great value for the sake of principle.

[501] Essentially, you and me. Story of our lives.

[502] Like, can we stop being that?

[503] I just like that you just started off your murder this week.

[504] The exact way everybody started off their drum.

[505] speech like presentations in high school where it's like Webster's Dictionary defines a friend as I was thinking more along the lines of a really bad best man speech yes like all of those things combined I did that and there it was you did it and you did it great I thought you were going to go Webster's Dictionary defines a whistleblower as I can't whistle so I couldn't do that whee -woo whee -woo whee -woo fuck I missed an opportunity sorry You were right.

[506] Let's edit that together.

[507] This is why you're their fucking scriptwriter.

[508] Caste it.

[509] Yeah.

[510] Let's, okay.

[511] So Karen Silkwood has been described as both those things by her supporters as well as a fucking crazy person by those who wanted to bring her down.

[512] The man. That's right.

[513] Let's get into it.

[514] Okay.

[515] Karen Gay Silkwood was born February 19th, 1946.

[516] She grew up in Niederland, Texas, which is about 100 miles from Houston.

[517] I forgot to tell you all the places that I got a lot of good information from.

[518] cool um um romero institute dot org there's this great podcast called uh the knower dispatch by lucas stroh who does uh just texas mysteries and murders and shit oh nice yeah and a bunch of time magazine articles and pbs are like everyone knows everything about this thing already and they're way smarter than i am but here we go i took a little from everyone it's i mean it's a story that's been around for a long time yes yeah yeah so so karen silkwood she and i didn't know this about her she was super fucking smart in high school.

[519] She got straight A's and she was really into chemistry, which I didn't realize.

[520] I thought she just got a job at a plant.

[521] But no, she was really smart.

[522] After graduation, she got a full scholarship to study medical technology at Lamar, which is in the early 70s and women didn't get this fucking like opportunity as much, right?

[523] Right.

[524] I mean, I would assume.

[525] Sure.

[526] I think she was the only, like that she was the only female in her science class or, you know, that's not right.

[527] So she, But during her first year of school, she accidentally falls in love with a dude.

[528] Accidentally.

[529] I mean, that's how it feels to me. Okay.

[530] And drops out of school to a lope and have three children.

[531] Sure.

[532] You know, the old trope.

[533] Sure.

[534] Love, the old trope, love.

[535] Yeah, it's so gross.

[536] In 1972, they're having fallouts and shit.

[537] He's cheating on her, and she and her husband separate.

[538] And part of the terms of their separation is that he got.

[539] full custody of the children, which I'm sure there's some crazy story that is not told that we don't understand.

[540] So she leaves the family, she visits the kids often, but they're really young kids at that point.

[541] It sucks.

[542] Yeah, it really sucks.

[543] It's like you want to think of her as this like, but that sucks.

[544] But what do you know?

[545] You don't know the circumstances.

[546] Yes.

[547] So she leaves her children behind and she moves to Oklahoma City and she finds a job in nearby Crescent, Oklahoma at the Keir -Magee plant.

[548] And Keir -Megu is a powerful energy -based conglomerate, one of the bigwigs, and a big wig in Oklahoma's nuclear power industry, which I guess is a big fucking scene.

[549] Okay.

[550] I mean, I didn't know that.

[551] Is it still to this day?

[552] I doubt it.

[553] Maybe.

[554] I'm going to stop asking questions.

[555] I don't know why I keep doing that.

[556] Well, I think that whole area in that part of Texas, as far as the nowhere dispatch tells me, is that that is a big fucking industry for oil and for.

[557] power and energy like they there's probably a lot of rich people there a hundred i i bet that's very true yeah a lot of people working for them yeah and all like it's the energy it's um oil industry but then like that that money begets alternative energies and totally you know from growing up all anyone was ever trying to figure out is how to basically harness nuclear fission why am i trying to talk about this i mean i want to hear your opinion about this and i want to hear your thoughts on Silkwood, the movie, because I, you know, I didn't watch the whole thing, but I still want your opinion on this.

[558] Yeah, yeah.

[559] You remember this shit.

[560] It just feels like that's, it was really the direction where people are like, you know, better living through chemistry, but it's a, it's an area where it can't really be controlled the way people say.

[561] And it became scary at some point, like in the 50s, you see all the nuclear technology and people really gung -ho on it, but this is the time when it started to kind of not be so popular.

[562] Right.

[563] Okay.

[564] So, so she gets a job and she's stoked to get back into her passion of science after having stayed home to raise kids and shit.

[565] And she gets a job as a metallography technician at the plutonium plant.

[566] And she essentially helps make plutonium fuel rods for nuclear reactors.

[567] Wow.

[568] Just makes me think of the opening credits of The Simpsons.

[569] Yes.

[570] That's all I know about that.

[571] When the fuel rod just bounces away.

[572] Yes, exactly.

[573] Yeah.

[574] I mean, it's, I feel like the Simpsons probably stole some of this off of, you know.

[575] I think the Simpsons is entirely based on Silkwood, and they just don't, they won't acknowledge it.

[576] Marge is Karen Silkwood.

[577] They won't acknowledge.

[578] Oh, my God.

[579] Okay, so her duties there include polishing fuel rods, packed with radioactive plutonium pellets.

[580] Fun.

[581] Yeah.

[582] Of course, we know plutonium is one of the world's most deadly poisons.

[583] I'm sure the girls at this podcast will kill you.

[584] You can tell you all about it.

[585] Yes.

[586] It's highly radioactive.

[587] And Kira McKee had gone out of its way to downplay the danger.

[588] of it, of course, and they're like employee handbooks and shit.

[589] It's health manual saying, in capital letters, you ready for our new shirt?

[590] Yeah.

[591] Radiation is safe.

[592] No. No. That's our new shirt.

[593] Oh, that's good.

[594] Radiation is safe, but all caps.

[595] Yeah.

[596] Screaming it.

[597] Diagonal, and then with some, like, kind of lightning bolt things coming from the side, and it's coming out like a shooting star.

[598] And underneath it says, don't worry about it, real small.

[599] Yeah.

[600] We got you.

[601] Yeah.

[602] We got you.

[603] Yeah.

[604] aviation is safe.

[605] Okay.

[606] So, and this is true if the metal only comes in contact outside the body.

[607] But so it's kind of true.

[608] They were kind of lying.

[609] But once it enters the body through the nose or mouth, there's this barrage of these subatomic, like, bullets into soft tissue, wreaks havoc on your body.

[610] And a dust -sized speck of plutonium is widely thought to be able to cause cancer if caught in the lung.

[611] Like, that's all it takes.

[612] Death -size.

[613] Yeah.

[614] shit right not good so while at the plant uh karen silkwood joins the oil chemical and atomic workers union which in the 70s the unions were fucking hip as shit right well they were very necessary right oh yeah definitely yeah there's a lot of workers because also when you first started talking about this i was like wait this is not norma ray this is a different movie than normal ray because the same area like norma ray was slightly earlier and that was basically about unionization but both great movies same feel Powerful women getting it done in real life.

[615] Yes.

[616] So she joins this union, which is, you're right, very necessary.

[617] There's a strike not long after she joins.

[618] The strike fails, which led to a bunch of the workers there leaving the union.

[619] But Karen stayed.

[620] And part of the reason is because she was elected to the bargaining committee of the union, which was the first fucking woman to be in this position, which is huge, which I'm sure made her not want to quit the union even if she's mad at them for you know not whatever um so as this bargaining committee member she's charged with investigating health and safety issues at the plant and as she did she began to find some red flags she sees spills falsication of inspection records inadequate training health regulation violations and enough missing plutonium to make multiple nuclear weapons Jesus Christ Where did it go?

[621] You buried the lead.

[622] But also people aren't putting the container back on the cook.

[623] The cottage cheese and the refrigerator, which there's spores.

[624] I mean, can we please clean up after ourselves?

[625] Jeez, missing plutonium.

[626] Your mother doesn't work here.

[627] Yeah.

[628] What if it said that over the plutonium?

[629] Your mother doesn't work here.

[630] Put it back.

[631] Put it back.

[632] So in the summer of 1974, Karen Silkwood testifies to the Atomic Energy Commission in Washington, D .C., which is a big fucking deal, and I'm sure they didn't get a lot of women doing that about all the findings she finds at Keir McGee.

[633] So at this point, it's possible she's pissed off a few different groups of people.

[634] Yes.

[635] Okay.

[636] So there's the people who had the people who are workers there who had left the union and saw that she stayed and she was a scab and that pissed them off, right?

[637] Them.

[638] The company itself, Kear McGee, who was like, keep your fucking mouth shut and they were pissed off.

[639] And also the workers who were worried that all these proposed government checks that she was trying to get into place would make the plant closed down and leave them without a job.

[640] Right.

[641] So that she, you know, she riled shit up.

[642] And also, dudes who didn't like women in power.

[643] I mean, simple as fucking that.

[644] Sure.

[645] Well, Anne, I think there's that thing of, there's, that's the problem with, like, if there, if there was issues with the union and then all those workers left, but she stayed, because basically she's like, but this has to get solved because this is going to, Like, you have to solve it at some point because the option can't be no more union when it's still the workers with, you know, trying to deal with the company.

[646] Yeah.

[647] And we need the union to get to the bigger picture, even if we're not thrilled with the union.

[648] And the workers left the union.

[649] They didn't leave their jobs.

[650] Right.

[651] They still work there with her.

[652] Oh, okay.

[653] So she's still in the union.

[654] They leave the union.

[655] They leave the union.

[656] Okay, got it.

[657] They stay with the jobs.

[658] Yeah.

[659] So she's got enemies fucking everywhere.

[660] It seems that way.

[661] And she's right, which is the worst fucking thing.

[662] feeling.

[663] So that's part of this whole mystery of her death.

[664] So on November 5th, 1974, she does a routine check, which you see in the movie.

[665] You just have to kind of like put your hand over, um, you know, some kind of, uh, scanner.

[666] And it beeps and fucking goes crazy if you have plutonium.

[667] You don't want it to happen.

[668] It happens to her.

[669] So she discovers she has been exposed to over 400 times the legal limit of plutonium.

[670] So some people think that it was done purposely as a retaliation by one of those groups.

[671] That's like one of the theories.

[672] That she would expose herself to 400 times plutonium radiation.

[673] No, that one of the workers like put it in her gloves, the condition she was going to have.

[674] Like they purposely made her get a plutonium poisoning?

[675] Yes.

[676] Yeah.

[677] So that's one of the theories.

[678] Karen herself thought it was a deliberate act by those in power at Kier McGee, which is another option.

[679] And of course, it very well could have been because one of the many safety issues that were going on at the plant because at Kira McGee, there were issues.

[680] Between 1970 and 1975, there were, guess how many reported exposures to plutonium there were between five years?

[681] Um, let's see.

[682] If there, if there was five a year, that would be bad.

[683] And that's 25.

[684] Five hundred and seventy -four.

[685] No, God.

[686] Uh -uh.

[687] So it just was a constant.

[688] So if you worked at this power plant, you would.

[689] probably die of radiation essentially or get some kind of a cancer yeah and of course then you have their doctor saying that that's the legal that's less than the legal amount that you're like allowed to be exposed to it won't cause cancer you'll be fine you know that kind of debate going on this is a real erin brokowitz situation a hundred percent where it's just like peegeania going it's okay that your your poison is being leached into groundwater well it's the thing of like and this is not the same but like with peanut butter you can can have 0 .5 % insect parts in it.

[690] And you're like, well, I don't want any insect parts.

[691] And that's like, well, don't eat peanut butter then.

[692] I don't, you know.

[693] Right, exactly.

[694] But it's almost like the company is saying, look, we're all going to get poisoned by plutonium.

[695] Let's grow up.

[696] Here's how much.

[697] You only had a little.

[698] Yeah.

[699] Fuck up, motherfucker.

[700] Yeah.

[701] But it's that thing.

[702] And I'm sorry to equate it because, but I do love the movie Aaron Brockovich.

[703] But when they sit down to negotiate with the PG &E lawyers and then.

[704] They're fighting back and forth.

[705] And then one of the lawyers takes a sip of water.

[706] And she goes, oh, we had that brought in from Hanford or would be a Lamar, wherever they were in Central California.

[707] And they, like, freeze where it's those motherfuckers who would never take the treatment that they are insisting other people live with.

[708] They would never let their kids drink Flint fucking Michigan water.

[709] No way.

[710] But they're saying it's fine.

[711] You're fine.

[712] Take a shower in that.

[713] You're fine.

[714] And we don't owe you clean water too.

[715] Meanwhile.

[716] while.

[717] Oh, yeah.

[718] Oh, yeah.

[719] Yes.

[720] Here we go.

[721] Here we go.

[722] So, and here's where I need to explain a little bit about Silkwood showers.

[723] Not explain, like, you know, I think that you'll word it very well because I didn't do it well.

[724] But Silkwood showers have been like a joke.

[725] Like, I need to go home and take a silkwood shower after being that bar because I stink or like, oh, that guy talked to me. I need a silkwood shower.

[726] It's like a joke.

[727] But it actually means something.

[728] Um, It's a decontamination shower.

[729] So when she put her hand over that fucking alarm thing and the alarms go off, they grab her and in the movie drag her to the decontamination showers.

[730] Yeah.

[731] Which are humiliating and awful and you get stripped down and you get held in place and scrubbed with a fucking like wire brush.

[732] And they say to you, don't cry, it'll make it hurt worse because the tears, the salt of your tears get into the raw skin and it hurts worse.

[733] Jesus Christ.

[734] Yeah, I didn't know that part.

[735] I didn't know the part about the wire.

[736] That seems...

[737] I might be abelishing on the wire, but it looks like a wire.

[738] It looks like a wire brush in the movie.

[739] Yeah, I mean, either way, even if it's the softest brush in the world, to have, like, three adults brushing you as they're trying to get contamination off you is horrifying.

[740] And it seems like that's set up in a way where it doesn't need to be that humiliating, but some pervo set it up where that's the way it turns.

[741] Well, you're being treated like, I hate to say cattle because I think they should be treated better, but that's essentially, and then the movie, I remember the movie, what was that, Angelina Jolie movie that was so good.

[742] God, there's been so many.

[743] There was the one where her child goes missing and she yells, Changeling.

[744] The Changeling, and she gets put in an insane asylum and they wash her like that.

[745] Yes.

[746] Do you remember that?

[747] Yes.

[748] One of the washers is Ricky Lindholm.

[749] Is it?

[750] For real?

[751] Yeah, from Garfunkel notes.

[752] Fun fact, everyone.

[753] That's amazing.

[754] I remember watching it like, Ricky, Lindholm.

[755] What are you doing, Ricky?

[756] There was also a movie that Beau Derrick starred in.

[757] It was Tarzan from, I believe, 1980.

[758] And it was post, after she was in the movie 10 with Dudley Moore, and she became this humongous sex symbol of the very early 80s or late 70s with her Island braids, yeah.

[759] Her culturally inappropriate braids.

[760] Yes.

[761] Back in 77 when everyone, it was more of a. celebrated thing to exploit other cultures but um but she then was in this movie i think it was called tarzan um i think there was more to that name but she is the daughter of the scientist that's going to find the ape man in in the jungle and she gets caught by natives and they wash her against her will and it's very erotic it's so sexy it's very like cinemax after dark type of shit of me and my cousin nancy sit and i'm going what's this like Like, this is just the movie.

[762] We're allowed to watch them.

[763] I know.

[764] It's not our fault that Tarzan turned dirty.

[765] But literally, she's being washed.

[766] It's super weird and, like, it's very uncomfortable.

[767] And she's, like, kind of whining.

[768] And at one point she goes, they're washing me like a horse.

[769] You should be so lucky.

[770] But it's the same thing.

[771] But it's more of the, um, a sexy version of it.

[772] There's got to be some fucking weirdo who made like a two minute clip of women being showered in movies.

[773] that's just so unpleasant.

[774] Yes.

[775] And in the background, there's the outer space screen savers.

[776] You can see them all on YouTube right now if you know what to look up.

[777] There's a scene like that that's also in, I think it's one of those flowers in the attic style movies where someone gets washed against their will.

[778] I feel like moms do it a lot to their daughters.

[779] In the V .C. Andrews series.

[780] You're unclean.

[781] Bleach bath.

[782] It's like, no. No, don't do that.

[783] anyway hot invasive showers disinfect and decontaminate etc so she sent home and they're like collect your shit and your piss and we're going to test it I'm sure they said it differently but how humiliating is that it's like a further humiliation a little bit so she checks into work one morning shortly after this and they test her and she registers high radiation levels again but then she was like, check my fucking car and check, you know, and check my locker.

[784] And there was no radiation in there.

[785] So there's something going on where she was getting it there.

[786] And so Keir McGee dispatches a decontamination squad to her house to test her house.

[787] And they detect levels of plutonium in the bathroom, in the kitchen.

[788] And she says when she was trying to get her urine sample, she's, you know, spilled and that's why it was there.

[789] And they find it in food.

[790] In the refrigerator, the word baloney happens a lot.

[791] A lot of baloney talk.

[792] A lot of baloney talk.

[793] I don't want to go there.

[794] Just deli meats at all?

[795] Or bologna specifically bologna, which is my least favorite deli meat?

[796] It's pretty gross.

[797] It's in my refrigerator right now because I married a Michigan guy.

[798] Oh, that's right.

[799] Does he like a fried bologna sandwich every once in wrong?

[800] Oh, he sure does.

[801] And listen, he's not wrong.

[802] Look.

[803] Look and listen.

[804] I had a bologna and cheese sandwich every day for like three years in grammar school.

[805] Do you hate it now?

[806] I just don't even think about it.

[807] Yeah.

[808] Like hot dogs.

[809] I don't think about hot dogs.

[810] Do you?

[811] Oh, I can do hot dogs at any moment.

[812] Corn dogs, stop it right now.

[813] No, I know you love a mini corn dog.

[814] When we go to like a gastro pub somewhere in St. Louis or whatever and they have mini corn dogs, it's just like, ding, ding, ding, it's George's birthday.

[815] Gastro pubs are fine, but I like a fucking dirty ass bowling alley full -sized corn dog.

[816] A real deal, corn dog.

[817] Just as much.

[818] Yeah.

[819] I don't need no fucking dipping aoli or whatever.

[820] You know?

[821] I don't need your fucking dipping aoli.

[822] Keep your aoli to yourself, pervert.

[823] Okay.

[824] but her house is fucking ransacked while they do it like and it seems in a way that's like a warning it could be seen as a warning too like yeah you know, everything's taken, pictures of her children are taken, like, because there's plutonium in there, but it's also like, oh, you know, this is what happens to you.

[825] Maybe.

[826] Could be.

[827] One could read it that way.

[828] It's certainly not a friendly search.

[829] No. Okay.

[830] That's right.

[831] So on November 7th, plutonium contamination is found in her lungs and she sent to the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico for further testing.

[832] And then she gets back.

[833] So that was November 7th.

[834] She gets back and it's November 13th.

[835] And she's like, she's at her wit's end.

[836] And she's like, fuck the shit.

[837] I'm going public with all the information I have that I found when I was doing my kind of covert checks.

[838] She gathered enough evidence documenting the plants wrongdoing.

[839] And it contained documents proving that the Keir -Megie Nuclear Corporation was a missing 40 pounds of 98 % pure bomb -grade plutonium.

[840] Let's find that bomb -grade.

[841] You want that list the first, apparently.

[842] I'm going to start describing things as bomb -grade.

[843] That's right.

[844] This is a fucking bomb -grade corned.

[845] if I could say so myself.

[846] Did I already say that that was enough to make four atomic bombs as powerful as the one that destroyed Hiroshima?

[847] Did I say, did I copy and paste?

[848] I don't think you read that particular copy and paste.

[849] That's a powerful piece of information.

[850] That's right.

[851] So that's what's missing.

[852] Uh -huh.

[853] That alone shouldn't get you like beaten up or your picture's broken or whatever.

[854] That should be like, thanks so much.

[855] Let's go find it.

[856] Yeah.

[857] Let's fix this.

[858] It's a little problematic.

[859] So that night, that evening, she goes to a meeting for the union.

[860] And then in the evening, she is seen leaving.

[861] It's November 13th, 1974.

[862] She's fucking 28 years old.

[863] Oh, my God.

[864] Which can you imagine, like, being such a, I mean, I guess when you're in your 20s, you're balzy as fuck.

[865] But like, that is brave.

[866] This is a woman going up against everybody, basically.

[867] Everybody.

[868] Tough.

[869] So she is on her way to a meeting in Oklahoma City.

[870] She's going to meet the national union representative of the unions, obviously, and a New York Times reporter.

[871] And the last person who saw her walking in her car said they saw her with a folder full of documents and photos that she said was going to fucking prove her case.

[872] Yes.

[873] Right.

[874] As she drove to that meeting on a dark stretch of road, Karen's car goes off the road at a speed of about 45 miles per hour.

[875] It strikes a culvert and it kills her.

[876] Mm -hmm.

[877] Breaks.

[878] Breaks are cut.

[879] Well, sorry, sorry.

[880] No, no, no, no. That's a great question.

[881] Is that a question or was that a...

[882] It's a guess.

[883] Okay.

[884] Well, Oklahoma State Troopers show up.

[885] They surmise that she had fallen asleep at the wheel.

[886] Nuh.

[887] Because she did have quailudes in there.

[888] And it did seem like that she had gotten a prescription because she was stressed the fuck out.

[889] Yes, I need some fucking quailets.

[890] I mean, truly.

[891] Either a prescription or from the back of Rolling Stone magazine, but you get me some of those downers.

[892] Well, she went, yeah.

[893] She went straight to her doctor.

[894] Good.

[895] It's got no shame.

[896] So they, and then the drug test in her autopsy did show quayludes in her bloodstream and a small amount of alcohol, which I mean, like, who among us at this very moment?

[897] No, I would never.

[898] We're on ludes, everybody.

[899] That's right.

[900] And so that essentially for the authorities closes the case that it was a single driver accident.

[901] She fell asleep while she was driving, drove off the road.

[902] Okay.

[903] However, her family and her supporters are like, there are break marks.

[904] Remember, you're like there aren't break marks?

[905] yes there were break marks she skidded for like something was there yes yes so how do you fall asleep and then skid I mean it's possible but um but I bet you that's not how it happens right because if you're asleep you're asleep until you crash usually right yeah or you can wake up and try to write the car and overcorrect and shit yeah but you know their theory was that she was asleep the whole time and just went off the culvert so that doesn't it still doesn't add up and they're also and this is more telling you for me, there are dense and paint scrapes on her rear bumper.

[906] Yes.

[907] That, of course, leads everyone to believe that she was deliberately forced off the road by a trailing vehicle.

[908] And I think that this is a similar scenario to the China syndrome that came out a little bit later.

[909] Was that also a true story?

[910] I don't know.

[911] But I think they took parts of that and made it real in the movie.

[912] Oh, wow.

[913] I'm not a filmmaker.

[914] Wait a second.

[915] You told me. Oh, no, no, no. That you may eat tea.

[916] That's why I got into this whole fucking thing.

[917] Oh, shit.

[918] The filmmaking aspect.

[919] Most suspicious is that the fucking documents were never found.

[920] Yeah.

[921] Never, ever found.

[922] That's not, the quailudes don't make documents disappear, everybody.

[923] They sure don't.

[924] No. They don't fly out of the car and no one finds them.

[925] Yeah, usually, especially if you go into a culvert, that's when documents go all around a culvert.

[926] Everywhere.

[927] Yeah.

[928] So maybe they did, and someone grabbed them and fucking gave them to the right person.

[929] Yeah.

[930] So that is highly suspicious to me. And of course, investigative reporters pick up on this crazy story.

[931] And there's a series of newspaper and magazine articles about the events leading up to her death.

[932] And everyone at this point is kind of turning on nuclear power and energy and seeing how dangerous it is.

[933] And also seeing how few checks and balances there are because they're making a shit ton of money off of them.

[934] And the government stoked on that.

[935] Yes.

[936] So the case is embraced by environmentalists.

[937] nuclear energy foes, feminists as well, and civil libertarians.

[938] So everyone's like, this is shady.

[939] Yeah.

[940] Great.

[941] So because of this publicity, there's a nationwide demand for an investigation, and a couple attorneys file a lawsuit on behalf of Karen Silkwood's children and father.

[942] Oh.

[943] I know.

[944] Not for wrongful death in her car accident, but for willful negligence leading to her plutonium contamination, which is like such a sneaky thing to do.

[945] But that's smart.

[946] It's like, get them at the source.

[947] Yeah.

[948] Because you couldn't prove the car accident probably, but you can prove this shit.

[949] Right.

[950] So lawyers for Keir McGee argued that Karen Silkwood had snuck the plutonium out of the plant and intentionally contaminated it contaminated herself to make them look negligent.

[951] Nope.

[952] So Kamikaze style, she's going to make them look negligent by basically committing slow, terrible plutonium poisoning suicide.

[953] And did they have purse checks?

[954] Like when you work retail and they check your bag on the way out?

[955] They had to have that.

[956] remember those how humiliating those were that's so funny because we used to have those at the gas or I'd be like my purse is so 90 small I didn't steal one of your rugby shirts you'd yeah and then when you were the manager and you had a purse check other people and you're like I don't want to do this just steal something yeah people it ours actually it's funny because all of our managers were super cool and everyone would just walk out and they just like it was all a gesture yeah hold your bag as opposed to like anybody rifling through your stuff right everyone knows put the pants put the free shit in the garbage bin back in the alley, then go out to your car and then be like, I'm dumpster diving.

[957] Exactly.

[958] For brand new, I didn't know that was a thing people did.

[959] I never did that.

[960] Not once.

[961] And how dare you accuse me?

[962] Okay, so that was their argument.

[963] But then the argument, too, is like, well, that makes you look negligent that an employee could just walk out with, like, that's kind of a not a good argument.

[964] da -na -na -na -na -na -na -na -na -na -na -na -na -da -da -da -da -da -da -da -da -la -da -da -da -la -da -na -ha.

[965] Right.

[966] So, like, either way, they look like they have fucking safety issues.

[967] Yes.

[968] And, you know, if someone else had poisoned her in the plant, that's bad, too.

[969] So they also said that Karen was emotionally unstable and her capacities had been fucked up from tranquilizer use.

[970] They're trying to, like, blame it on her.

[971] She said that they said that she was in this fucking fight with her union and the company, and that she wanted to prove that the plant was dangerous by any means, and that she was a Webster's dictionary definition of martyr.

[972] Yeah.

[973] Right.

[974] That was their argument.

[975] Which is insane.

[976] Like, what would the point, like, it's that I, the idea that that's even, they're able to present that as a logical argument.

[977] When it's like, it's just a person trying to say, you guys are lacking and you need to tighten your shit up.

[978] And, you know, I can understand the, like, I'm going to show them by, like, Maybe a layman who didn't understand the effects of plutonium and actually how fucking detrimental it is.

[979] Like my sister and I used to break open the mercury thermometer and play with the mercury.

[980] So it was super fun.

[981] I told my mom that over the week and she lost her shit.

[982] Do not have latchkey kids.

[983] That is so hilarious because I remember a thermometer breaking.

[984] And my mother who never freaked out about anything.

[985] She was a nurse.

[986] Yes.

[987] But she was like, do, la, la, la. And I was like not anywhere near touching it or interested in touching it.

[988] tiny little silver thing.

[989] And she was the screaming of don't touch that and stay away from that.

[990] I'll never forget it because it was just like, shit.

[991] She actually gives a shit about something.

[992] She's actually emoting towards us.

[993] Like, is that mercury worth money or something?

[994] Yeah.

[995] She's so worried about it.

[996] I guess now I have to put both hands into it, Mom.

[997] I mean, I guess it would explain a lot that I think my sister and I accidentally broke a couple thermometers because the mercury was so, oh shit.

[998] Can this podcast will kill you, please?

[999] Yes.

[1000] Do an episode about that?

[1001] What if they're like, and the effects of mercury poisoning are toe tumors and a weird bag?

[1002] And starting a podcast.

[1003] That makes no sense.

[1004] And a love of canned wine.

[1005] What?

[1006] That's so specific.

[1007] And a cross -eyed Siamese.

[1008] I didn't even get him until he was a kitten.

[1009] That's crazy.

[1010] Okay.

[1011] So according to the book, The Killing of Karen Siliquid by Richard Rashke, who's like, Like, this is the book about it.

[1012] The family's lawyers, he says they were harassed, they were intimidated and even physically assaulted.

[1013] One person, like, maybe Skip Towna was never heard from again.

[1014] Yeah.

[1015] And one person, quote, unquote, killed herself before she was scheduled to be a witness, like some shady shit.

[1016] Shit.

[1017] Yeah.

[1018] So in the end, the jury in the Silkwood versus Keir McGee awarded Silkwood's estate $10 .5 million.

[1019] Oh shit, and that was in the early 80s, right?

[1020] Yeah, like 70, blah, blah, blah.

[1021] Late 70s?

[1022] No, 76, 76 -ish.

[1023] 70, late 70s.

[1024] That's easily like 50, 80 million dollars now.

[1025] That's how much it is.

[1026] Is it really?

[1027] I don't know.

[1028] 50, 80 million.

[1029] 50 -80 million.

[1030] 50 -80 million.

[1031] 50 -80 million.

[1032] That elusive number.

[1033] So not only was it the largest settlement in the history of American fucking judicial system.

[1034] Yeah, it was.

[1035] The case established new press.

[1036] and liability law, our friend from the hot coffee McDonald's story that we all fucking hate.

[1037] I mean, I don't hate it sucks.

[1038] It's the story.

[1039] It's amazing.

[1040] So, see, up until that time, there was a thing called the Price Anderson Act, which puts limits on civil liability pertaining to nuclear facilities.

[1041] Sure, there was.

[1042] Yep, there's a cap on how much you can sue for us ruining your fucking life and your family.

[1043] God, that's weird.

[1044] I wonder how a cap, like a governmental cap, would get built.

[1045] into the law.

[1046] So you'd think that if something was so safe that you trusted it completely, you wouldn't need that because you trusted enough not to go wrong.

[1047] And you'd think that the people that work in your government would care enough about the citizens of its own country to not intentionally cover the ass of people who run things like nuclear power pants or maybe even banks or whatever.

[1048] That's like literally, no, I love it.

[1049] I love that we're on the same page because like literally my last sentence and when I was, um, or my last paragraph and when I was writing it at home.

[1050] Vince was home and I was like, yeah, you motherfucker.

[1051] I was a yelling shit.

[1052] Okay, yes, we're going to get there.

[1053] Yep.

[1054] Um, but, but, but, but, but, but, okay.

[1055] So then, um, there was, so this case removed the limits, yay, and pretty much ended construction of all nuclear power plants in the United States.

[1056] Yeah.

[1057] Great.

[1058] We don't want them.

[1059] On appeal, the amounts reduced to five grand.

[1060] Oh, my God.

[1061] but then they said they'll only cover the destruction of Karen's personal belongings during the decontamination of her apartment.

[1062] They're like, we'll get you a new couch and shit.

[1063] That's all.

[1064] And like they agreed.

[1065] But then that's over to the Supreme Court reverses that.

[1066] Yeah, they do.

[1067] Yeah, they do.

[1068] And it was headed to retrial when Keir McGee settled out of court for $1 .38 million.

[1069] So, but they had been no wrongdoing as part of the settlement.

[1070] And, but either way, the plant is closed in 1976, 14, months after Karen Silkwood's death.

[1071] Wow.

[1072] Because of oversight shit.

[1073] So now, okay, so now the general public has already been fucking starting to be anti -nuclear plants.

[1074] This makes it even worse, of course.

[1075] And then March 28th, 1979, meltdown and radiation leak of the reactor at the Three Mile Island.

[1076] Yeah.

[1077] Do you remember that?

[1078] Yeah, I do.

[1079] I feel like there's so many, like, it's from this time period of, like, I can hear Three Mile Island or Chernobyl or, you know, Silkwood.

[1080] and get like this is like creeps even though i don't remember the details it's like this is something very fucking bad yeah because you know well for me um it being like uh you know eight or nine when that happened it's back when there was only um network television news network news national news and it was on like at seven and then you watched it then and everybody watched the same shit so when three mile island melted down we all sat there watching there was just a helicopter shot of over three mile island and them just talking about how we don't know what how we're going to contain it we don't know if it's going to go into the water supply like this entire thing where everyone was frozen in this realization that this had gone out way too far past anyone's control right and again it's that feeling like you can't trust the people that are making these decisions because they're going to pick a monetary gain over safety every fucking time and that's why all those i think all those like ego that's how the green people eco, like, warriors came about because they were like, these people won't be stopped.

[1081] They're, they're truly sociopaths.

[1082] And they're not going to be affected by it.

[1083] You, the people who have no decision over whether it happens or not are going to be the ones whose children have to drink that water.

[1084] Yes.

[1085] Who have to breathe that.

[1086] I mean, everyone has to breathe that air, but, you know.

[1087] Yeah.

[1088] And it's similar to like Flint, Michigan works.

[1089] Like, they will, they will poison all of us for $11 in another yacht.

[1090] They will fucking do anything for money.

[1091] These people that are in charge.

[1092] that rise to the top because sociopaths rise to the top.

[1093] Meglo fucking maniacs and you think they're going to stop and be like, well, I don't need that extra 15 cents on the dollar.

[1094] So let's just, let's make them good water.

[1095] Yeah, they're not going to do that.

[1096] They're never going to do that.

[1097] No. Okay.

[1098] So that happened, Three Mile Island happens.

[1099] In 1983, the Academy Award nominated movie, Silkwood, starring Merrill Street.

[1100] Cher, Kurt Russell, sheds more light on Karen, Silkwood's Suspicious Death, and the issues with the nuclear power industry.

[1101] And as a result, Karen Silkwood story, it kind of opens the public's eye to all of this shit going on.

[1102] Yep.

[1103] And in the years, since that happened, she's become a murder for unionists, whistleblowers, and those opposed to nuclear power.

[1104] And, well, it's no doubt that it's like not a question she had been exposed to plutonium.

[1105] There are still questions of, you know, people still say, did she deliberately contaminate herself?

[1106] Did she come into contact with it because of lacking safety standards at the plant or if her death is a deliberate act by the all -powerful nuclear industry that had been enjoying the lax rules imposed on it by a government whose main concern wasn't the safety of its citizens but of the military industrial congressional complex and the few elite wealthy Illuminati.

[1107] I don't know where I was going.

[1108] I was tired who unbeknownst to pleads like us have sole influence on public policy.

[1109] We can fucking vote all they want all we want.

[1110] Do we get that part out?

[1111] It's those lobbyists.

[1112] Yeah.

[1113] No, I mean this is this is everything that I think is coming to to ahead right now in our culture is basically what Donald Trump represents is that unchecked megalomaniac maniac and sociopathic greed greed no greed above all money above all and in a way where it's like that idea of like why would you why would you fight to keep a thing that's killing all these people so that you can buy another boat when you won't be able to sail anywhere because everything's going to be dead.

[1114] Yeah, but they think it's going to happen anyway, so they want to be safe and they don't want to share any of it.

[1115] I mean, and then you see shit like my mom and I, who don't get along and I, we scream at each other because we have differing views of whether or not Donald Trump should be fucking president, but it's like, they want us, please, to yell at each other about it.

[1116] Because then we won't, we won't spend time looking at the bigger picture, which is that we're fucking puppets.

[1117] Yes.

[1118] And this is this greedy fucking, you know, both sides are this greedy megalomaniacs there's a few good people out there not enough not enough um and i yes i think it goes all the way that the top it goes all the way the top and i think maybe what they didn't see coming and couldn't imagine having to contend with is fucking karen gay silkwood yeah and they had to put her down for that and that's the mysterious death of karen gay silkwood wow that's like it's so odd because it's so relevant today yeah it's all that stuff union stuff It's like, yeah, it's the workers and people, I wish I had an education because it's really, it's quite a discussion.

[1119] Yeah.

[1120] It's, people can, people can make a difference.

[1121] I mean, like, I don't think Karen Silkwood in the midst of that shit that she went through, maybe even thought it was worth it.

[1122] Because let's actually try to think that out for a second.

[1123] They're accusing her that she intentionally poisoned herself with plutonium to, you know, to set up the nuclear power plant she worked out to make them seem less safe, that still doesn't account for all the missing plutonium.

[1124] Right.

[1125] So if she did that in order to draw the eye to it, then we owe her a debt of gratitude.

[1126] Yeah.

[1127] Because that plutonium's still gone.

[1128] Who owns it?

[1129] Where did they sell it to?

[1130] Who can make a nuclear bomb?

[1131] If you ask the dude who wrote The Killing of Karen Silkwood, it's to our own government.

[1132] Yeah.

[1133] And we sold that plutonium to other companies.

[1134] countries.

[1135] Sure.

[1136] And if you look into our past governments.

[1137] Look into it.

[1138] It's not a surprise.

[1139] Look into it and tell us what you find.

[1140] I don't want to look into it because I just watched the Madel McCann documentary and it was hard, really hard enough.

[1141] You can't handle more of that.

[1142] I just don't need any more of the mercenary psychopaths in this world that will do anything for money.

[1143] Yeah.

[1144] It's just such a bummer.

[1145] It's such a bummer.

[1146] Wow, that's, that was great.

[1147] Thank you.

[1148] That was a, that was a fun pseudo discussion and we just dive deep so okay i'm obsessed with Chernobyl yes the photographer friend of the podcast robin von swank she fucking went to Chernobyl and took all these photos and talked to the people who still live there who wouldn't leave like the grandmas and shit so von swank curiosities there's just a shit ton of the most gorgeous abandonment porn in Chernobyl of all fucking places and that's that's such an amazing use of her town She's the same photographer.

[1149] She took our picture that we use now, the most current picture.

[1150] And then she also took the Murder Squad Boys picture.

[1151] That's right.

[1152] That it looks like it looks like it's a podcast picture.

[1153] It also looks like they're a really rad alt -country band.

[1154] Yeah.

[1155] Or they're like joint authors of like crime novels.

[1156] Sure.

[1157] Which I guess they kind of are.

[1158] I don't know.

[1159] I mean they kind of.

[1160] Yeah.

[1161] True ones.

[1162] She's super talented.

[1163] Go and look at all of Robin Vance Van Swank's.

[1164] Van Swank.

[1165] like all of Robin von Swank's stuff because she's amazing.

[1166] All right.

[1167] Tell me a story.

[1168] Do you want to hear a story?

[1169] I just cracked a new can of wine.

[1170] I can finally sit back and listen instead of trying to spout.

[1171] You relax for once.

[1172] Why don't you take it easy?

[1173] Can mom have a night off?

[1174] It has wings.

[1175] The darn thing's got wings.

[1176] So this is a story and there is so much more to it.

[1177] But it's one of those ones that have.

[1178] happened at the end of last year.

[1179] Ooh.

[1180] Because you know how everyone's want I like to do a let's update true crime happening in the real world.

[1181] That's freshy.

[1182] Um, a freshie, like the time that I reported on the guy that Adela leaves in his fucking living room and it was from seven years prior.

[1183] Um, I like a freshie.

[1184] So, oh, which.

[1185] Oh, yeah.

[1186] We met, um, and now I'm going to guess and say that that was in Des Moines.

[1187] Right.

[1188] We met women who knew that murderer who, had the leaves in his living room and had plastic bags of leaves pinned up to his all across his wall.

[1189] Go look at a photo of it.

[1190] It's creepy as it sounds.

[1191] It's really crazy.

[1192] And one of these women who somehow knew him, I can't remember if it was like some distant relative or ex -workmate or whatever, they said it wasn't that they believed it was purely for insulation because he wasn't paying for the heating in his home.

[1193] So he's just taking the leaves thing, which I said he's really going out of his way you know it's like I get that and it's like but it's still a fucking bananas solution it's a banana solution executed bananasly right and it doesn't make you more sane but it makes sense it's there's a there's at least there's a line of logic to it yes so it's so it's not just like leaves everywhere is he jerking off into these leaves yeah but at the same time yeah uh don't kill people please don't kill people and if you feel like you need to bring the outside indoors, which is, you know, design -wise, it's a great aesthetic.

[1194] But if you're being literal about it, call a friend.

[1195] Get a yurt.

[1196] Get a yurt.

[1197] So this is the story that happened at the end of last year where a serial killer named Sam Little made a confession because he had been arrested in a cold case.

[1198] Do you remember this?

[1199] I'll tell you more because I'm not telling you anything.

[1200] I wish that, yeah, what if you were like and I'm not telling you anything?

[1201] Guess until you know.

[1202] Okay.

[1203] I got most of this information from an LA Times article written by James Quilly, Q -U -E -A -L -L -Y from when it came out.

[1204] There was also an amazing article in the cut, on the website The Cut.

[1205] And the title was the serial killer and the less dead and less dead was in quotes written by a writer named Gillian Lauren and that thing was very long and very involved and then of course the great great Wikipedia so anyway oh yeah shout out so much of this shit I mean I had to look up nuclear industrial complex just to make sure I was saying it right were you clicking clicking link within link you're on four pages in yes thank you thank you thank you Wikipedia this is how we learn this is how we grow So it has wings The darn thing Called Wikipedia's Got Wings Okay So in 2012 There is a detective On the LAPD cold case team The lead detectives At the time Was named Mitzie Roberts Yes Which I love Because She sounds like someone That would book like the improv In the 80s Like oh did Mitsy put you on That's from the comedy store but um so she was the lead a cold case detective and she brought her team to louisville kentucky with an arrest warrant for a 72 year old man named sam little um they brought him back to california to face three charges of murder he was convicted and he was sent to jail without parole uh and that seemed to be that until last may 2018 when a texas ranger named james holland came into town to talk to Sam Little and thus began a conversation that four months later evoked a stunning confession that Sam Little had murdered over 90 women across the United States.

[1206] Holy shit.

[1207] Do you remember this?

[1208] Yes.

[1209] And did he come in from Texas on horseback?

[1210] That's how I picture it.

[1211] The Texas Ranger that came in.

[1212] A million gallon hat, whatever they call him.

[1213] Yes.

[1214] He did.

[1215] It was a big horse called an airplane.

[1216] And, but I think Texas Rangers still do wear the hat.

[1217] That's part of the uniform.

[1218] Cool.

[1219] Is the hat and like, I think really tight wrangler jeans.

[1220] And like, I'll look it up.

[1221] And then a cowboy shirt from Lee Western wear.

[1222] Great.

[1223] Okay.

[1224] Junior section.

[1225] Right.

[1226] Okay.

[1227] So this man, Samuel Little, was born on June 7th, 1940 in Reynolds, Georgia.

[1228] Um, and he claimed his mother worked as a sex worker.

[1229] She gave birth to him during a prison stint.

[1230] Once she gets out, they move to Lorraine, Ohio.

[1231] She is still a teen.

[1232] I think she was 19 at the time.

[1233] So he is abandoned, basically, and raised by his grandmother.

[1234] So the start of life is very tough for him.

[1235] He's a bad student.

[1236] He constantly gets into trouble, so there's other stuff going on.

[1237] In 1956, he's still in high school.

[1238] He gets arrested for the first.

[1239] time for breaking and entering on private property in Omaha, Nebraska.

[1240] We've been there.

[1241] We've been there.

[1242] And we know what it's like.

[1243] We love it.

[1244] He serves time in Juvie briefly.

[1245] Once he's released, he goes back to Ohio, drops out of high school, starts his life of crime.

[1246] So in 1961, he breaks into a furniture store in Lorraine and gets arrested and he's sentenced to three years in jail.

[1247] So he gets out in 1964.

[1248] um in the late 60s he moves to florida because that's where his mom is um he picks up odd jobs there he's an ambulance attendant he's a cemetery worker oh he's a day laborer but he makes sure to keep up with his passions petty theft and fist fighting it's they're hard to give up i mean when you really have the love and when you're good at it and when you can combine the two oh what a high during one stretch in jail she He takes up boxing, so he's doing, like, basically...

[1249] Don't let...

[1250] Don't do that.

[1251] Yeah, I mean, that's what else you're going to do.

[1252] Shouldn't be allowed in prison.

[1253] He starts getting serious about his training.

[1254] It never really goes anywhere.

[1255] But he basically trains to be like a middle heavyweight boxer.

[1256] Okay.

[1257] That's an honest fucking job.

[1258] I mean, if you're being honest.

[1259] If you're going to be honest about it and not a creepo.

[1260] Right.

[1261] Then over the next 10 years, Sam drifts from town to town.

[1262] He makes a living shoplifting.

[1263] stealing money.

[1264] He spends the majority of his money on alcohol and drugs.

[1265] He hangs out with sex workers and their pimps.

[1266] By 1975, so in a bad 70s exploitation movie, or a black exploitation movie, he would be referred to as a bad dude.

[1267] That's just, that's my opinion.

[1268] That's editorializing.

[1269] By 1975, he's been arrested 26 times in 11 different states.

[1270] Damn, going for a record.

[1271] Yeah, so he's all over.

[1272] And the charges include theft, assault, attempt, attempted rape, fraud, and just to change it up, attacks on government officials.

[1273] So seven years later, September of 1982, a 22 -year -old woman named Melinda LaPrie goes missing in Pascagoula, Mississippi.

[1274] That sounds right.

[1275] I mean, it felt good.

[1276] Yeah.

[1277] No one in Mississippi listens to this podcast, so we're never going to be corrected on that.

[1278] We'll see.

[1279] And here come the letters through the letter slot, the digital letters.

[1280] Um, okay.

[1281] So, Melinda LaPrie is a sex worker and, um, Sam Little was known to have spent time with her.

[1282] So that plus his in very long record gets him arrested for Melinda LaPrie's murder.

[1283] But a grand jury declines to indict him.

[1284] Um, while he's being investigated for Melinda LaPrie's murder, he becomes a suspect in the murder of 26 year old Patricia Mount in Florida.

[1285] Um, so what, when the grand, grand, grand, jury passes on indicting him for Melinda LaPrie's murder in Mississippi, he's transferred to Florida, where he's then tried for the murder of Petitia Mount.

[1286] And during this trial, witnesses testify that they saw Sam Little with Patricia Mount the night before her disappearance, but without any other damning evidence, the prosecution's case falls apart.

[1287] And in January of 1984, Little is acquitted of Patricia Mount's murder.

[1288] So then he immediately moves to San Diego.

[1289] Aye.

[1290] So in October of 1984, less than a year out of prison, Sam Little is arrested once again for the kidnapping, beating, and strangling of 22 -year -old Lori Barros, who was left.

[1291] He left her on the side of the road for dead, but she was not fucking dead.

[1292] She was playing dead until he left.

[1293] She survives.

[1294] She reports the crime to the authorities, and she identifies Sam Little as her attacker.

[1295] But there's a delay.

[1296] It takes the police about a month.

[1297] to find Sam Little.

[1298] And when they do, he's in the same place where he assaulted Lori Barrows the month before.

[1299] And so when they find him, he's there with another woman that he has just strangled who's unconscious in his car in the backseat of his car.

[1300] God.

[1301] So they arrest him and the woman survives.

[1302] So they get their like just fucking in time.

[1303] But I'm so, I know what's going to happen now.

[1304] like this is the part where everyone in the audience claps yes and then you turn to them or one of us turns to them and says why are you you know how this is going to go don't clap now yeah don't clap now I have four pages left in my hand you're going to break your own heart yes yes that's that's how this always is because you can see it so clearly in hindsight if if lorry barrows comes to the police and says this man just attacked me strangled me and left me for dead everybody and they should all be out.

[1305] It shouldn't take three weeks.

[1306] Well, they look at her record and maybe she has some arrest or some record.

[1307] And so they say, well, who fucking cares?

[1308] Yes.

[1309] Paul Holes will say, this is not how it happened today.

[1310] Yes.

[1311] Acknowledging that that's how it fucking happened then.

[1312] Yes.

[1313] You know, you can't not acknowledge it.

[1314] Right.

[1315] I mean, and that's the best thing you can do is say, these are the old attitudes we have to change it.

[1316] Yes.

[1317] We have to change it.

[1318] Okay.

[1319] So now that he's been caught red -handed, he's found guilty of his crimes against both of these women and he's sentenced to how many years in jail?

[1320] Four.

[1321] Yeah, four.

[1322] That was the same time, right, Stephen?

[1323] Did you see that?

[1324] That was perfectly at the same time.

[1325] How did that happen?

[1326] Because I thought you were going to take two more seconds and then I was like, I'm setting it up to be a disappointing thing.

[1327] I was going to say five.

[1328] Yeah, it was fucking, it's four and he ends up serving two and a half years.

[1329] Fucking.

[1330] For the attempted murder of three, two different women, like a month apart.

[1331] So he is released again in February of 1980.

[1332] Great.

[1333] Let him go.

[1334] And where the fuck does he go?

[1335] South Central Los Angeles.

[1336] So this is from Jillian Lawrence article from the cut.

[1337] Quote, ravaged by the crack epidemic and the Reagan administration subsequent war on drugs, South Central became a playground for predators.

[1338] During that era, up to seven sexually motivated serial killers, including Lonnie Franklin, who is the fucking grim sleeper, Chester Turner.

[1339] Michael Hughes, our boy Richard fucking Ramirez from the devil, and Louis Crane and Sam Little himself operated with near impunity in the area according to local law enforcement and community activists.

[1340] Holy shit.

[1341] Yes.

[1342] So they, not only, you know, we've talked about this a bunch of times.

[1343] The Grim Sleeper murdered sex workers and black women in South Central Los Angeles for 20 years.

[1344] It went on so long that it is, it's the kind of case you almost can, can't cover because of how extreme it is, how extensive it is.

[1345] Like, you can't do it justice, really.

[1346] I can't do it justice, I should say.

[1347] And you can't do it without totally insulting the police force because it's, you know, it's a really hard case to cover with empathy or understanding toward a police force who literally were making up slang of what to call black sex working women who would get murdered that were and that's what this um the jillian lawrence article is about that's what she's referring to is the serial killer and the quote less dead right because it's like saying that these women are less dead than other people that sex workers are less dead when they get killed because they just quote a deserve it or be um they live the lifestyle that's a little more risky so somehow they were asking for it or drug use like the thing where they're trying to pin on karen silkword where it's saying oh because you do these things in your life you somehow have a hand in this you deserve it you are asking for it and then if it goes even higher up it's the fucking government not putting enough police force in the fucking south central so they're dealing with these day -to -day insane fucking things in this crack epidemic that they that the fucking government started to begin with so that's what this episode is called so essentially this is the it's the same it's this it's this standard serial killer narrative turned on its head because there's no process There's no cooling off period.

[1348] There's no build.

[1349] There's no intrigue or, you know, for lack of a better word, to this serial killer process.

[1350] No alarms are sounded when these missing women disappear.

[1351] It's a psychopath taking advantage of the ugliest parts of society's truth in that some people's lives count less than others to the authorities.

[1352] And these men, especially, of course, Lonnie Franklin, but.

[1353] This guy, Sam Little, just went in and exploited that fact and did exactly what he wanted to do.

[1354] And to illustrate that, there's an amazing pull quote that's just sitting on the side of one of the side of the cut article.

[1355] And it just says he'd done three months for assault and rape.

[1356] He'd done three years for robbing a furniture store.

[1357] And that's it, in a nutshell.

[1358] That's it right there.

[1359] What we value and how the law works for those things.

[1360] Okay.

[1361] So basically, this is another quote from that cut article quote.

[1362] They began working up, so when the cold case team went in, they began working up a dossier on him.

[1363] So Sam Littlehead alias is Samuel McDaniel, Samuel McDowell, Willie May Clifton, and Willie Lewis.

[1364] The detectives ran rap sheets and arrest records, pulled prison packages, did vehicle searches.

[1365] When the results began to pile up on her desk, Mitsy Roberts unflappable, cool, gave way to astonishment.

[1366] even anger.

[1367] The question wasn't where he'd been hiding all these years.

[1368] He hadn't been hiding.

[1369] He'd been committing crime after crime in plain fucking sight.

[1370] Oh, they.

[1371] The fucking isn't in that quote.

[1372] End quote.

[1373] Sorry.

[1374] Um, okay.

[1375] So this cold case team in 2012 gets a grant from the National Institute of Justice that allows them to launch this cold case special section.

[1376] So they're tasked with screening DNA evidence to link and possibly solve.

[1377] cold cases from the L .A. area.

[1378] So, Sam Little's DNA is in the database for those attacks that he only served two and a half years for.

[1379] So when they screen old DNA samples from several cold case murders in the L .A. area in the late 80s, they find a match.

[1380] Sam Little's DNA matches the DNA found on two unsolved murder victims.

[1381] Audrey Nelson, who was killed in August of 1989, and Wadalupe Apodaca, who was killed in September of 1989.

[1382] So Mitzie Roberts takes a closer look at Little in his background, and she, and it confirms that he's involved in these murders.

[1383] He clearly has, you know, he has the record.

[1384] Yeah.

[1385] And he's, the only reason he's out of jail is, but, like, basically a technicality.

[1386] It's not even like he's trying to be stealth about them.

[1387] It's like, well, it's just waiting for someone to match them up.

[1388] Yeah.

[1389] It doesn't.

[1390] He's probably aren't even thinking about that part at all.

[1391] So she pulls an outstanding narcotics warrant that was against him from 2007.

[1392] cool.

[1393] The DA agrees to extradite as long as she can find him.

[1394] So now she has to go figure out where the fuck he is Carmen San Diego style.

[1395] I'm super lately into getting someone in for a warrant for violating their probation, but it's about a bigger thing.

[1396] So like they did a little fucking thing wrong or they were hanging out with someone who is also a convict and they pulled them in for that, but they fucking have them on something else and they can swab them for DNA and that's how it starts.

[1397] I mean, that's a really cool trick.

[1398] Yeah, because there's, I mean, there's loopholes on both sides.

[1399] There's loopholes that will get people out of things and you're like, what the fuck?

[1400] But then that's also there's loopholes on the other side to go, well, there is an outstanding warrant for you for narcotics.

[1401] So we get to pull you in.

[1402] We don't have to.

[1403] Right.

[1404] We normally disqualified your normal rights by that.

[1405] And hooray, because then we get to do it.

[1406] Pull holes.

[1407] Do it.

[1408] Run that.

[1409] D &A.

[1410] So LAPD robbery homicide unit then discover financial records that point to little being in, because he had social security payments that he was putting on a prepaid Walmart card in Louisville, Kentucky.

[1411] So the U .S. Marshall's fugitive tax force is sent to Louisville and they finally find Sam Little in a homeless shelter on September 5th, 2012.

[1412] They arrest him and they extraded him back to Los Angeles.

[1413] He refuses to talk.

[1414] Another DNA match comes in.

[1415] A third victim, 41 -year -old Carol Alford, who had been strangled to death and found in a residential alley in South Central.

[1416] So with three charges of murder, on January 7, 2013, Samuel Little goes to court for the murders of Nelson, Apodaca, and Alford.

[1417] It starts, the actual trial starts in September 2014.

[1418] He maintains his innocence throughout.

[1419] Oh, shut up.

[1420] The evidence proves him otherwise, and several women who had been Little's victims, but escaped.

[1421] escaped, um, they come and testify against him.

[1422] And their testimonies, along with the newly found DNA evidence, are enough to put him away.

[1423] So on September 25th, 2014, Samuel Little is found guilty of the murders of Nelson Apodigga and Alford.

[1424] He's sentenced to three consecutive life sentences with no possibility of parole.

[1425] And now, so he's just going to jail.

[1426] But now the FBI decides they need to run a full background check on him, since he clearly is a multiple murderer and possibly a serial killer.

[1427] And that leaves them to discover compelling links in his history to many more cold cases.

[1428] His travel patterns for one line up with the timing of several cold case murders, including one in Odessa, Texas.

[1429] So in spring of 2018, Texas Ranger James Holland, the one that we were talking about, along with VICAP crime analyst Christina Palazolo, and Department of Justice Senior Policy Advisory and Vi -CAP liaison, Angela Williamson.

[1430] These are all the jobs you can have in law enforcement if you want to go in there.

[1431] Love it.

[1432] You can fucking just work for Vi -CAP all the time.

[1433] Yeah.

[1434] Do it.

[1435] They go to California to interview Sam Little because they, he wanted to get transferred to a smaller prison.

[1436] The prison that he was in in California was out in the desert.

[1437] It was 105 all the time.

[1438] It was really crowded.

[1439] Maybe there's like fucking crazy mean prisoners that they don't want to be in the population with.

[1440] Yes.

[1441] I think that's a great tactic too is trading.

[1442] being transferred to a better...

[1443] There are better prisons than others.

[1444] Just smaller.

[1445] He wanted a smaller, quieter, because now he was in his 70s.

[1446] Well, good for fucking him, but also, like, let's solve some quote cases.

[1447] Right.

[1448] He had something to give, and so that's when James Holland from the Texas Rangers came out.

[1449] So he...

[1450] Basically, James Holland says, I will take you to a prison in Texas where it's much smaller, it's cleaner, it's quieter, there's barbecue.

[1451] like you might be able to get some barbecue there every once in a mile you might be like he was kind of the going there's these there's a bunch of perks but we need to know about these cold cases in odessa texas and that is the conversation that he has over a four -month period with james holland where he eventually confesses to 90 over 90 different murders that took place between 1970 and 2005 he begins this confession by simply naming city, states, and the number of murders he's committed in each location.

[1452] Oh my God.

[1453] He's like a fucking Israel Keys style serial killer where he just was kind of went wherever he felt like going and didn't have a lot of connections and just kind of killed sex workers and women of color that were in situations and because he was trained as a boxer, what he would do was beat the shit out of them and then when they lost consciousness, strangle them but then leave them in the in you know say a motel room or an alley or a place where if they are known sex workers and known drug addicts the cops would look at their body and say that's probably from um the drug overdose or whatever or whatever yeah and basically all of the detail of the murder would get lost in the lifestyle that the authorities were looking at when they saw the dead body so basically um he sam little goes into deep detail he can describe the events of every murder with staggering clarity he's also a talented artist so he start he has drawn many of his victims from memory that are in that in in the cut article that's the top picture it's this series of portraits that are kind of cool looking where you're like what's this and then you look down and they were all drawn by him oh god that creeps me out so much it's super creepy um so among the murders confirmed to have been committed by little is the January 1996 murder of 24 -year -old Melissa Thomas.

[1454] He, as he recounts it, met Melissa on the, and one day on the street in Opalus, Louisiana.

[1455] They drove to a cemetery to use drugs.

[1456] While they were there, they moved to the backseat of the car to have sex.

[1457] And while back there, he began to stroke her neck.

[1458] And he even recalls her saying, why do you keep touching my neck?

[1459] Are you a serial killer?

[1460] And in that moment, his temper flared.

[1461] and he strangled her to death.

[1462] She was 24 years old.

[1463] 24.

[1464] Her body was later found naked beneath a pecan tree in a cemetery behind a Baptist church.

[1465] And when question about the details of the event, Little was able to recount the layout of the town with such accuracy that authorities were able to confirm his involvement.

[1466] So he remembered every fucking moment of it.

[1467] Basically, after countless interviews with Sam Little, detectives have described him as, quote, pure evil and quote, a charismatic psychopath.

[1468] So far, of the 93 murders he's confessed to, the FBI has corroborated 39 of them.

[1469] Holy shit.

[1470] With, quote, many more pending.

[1471] Oh, my God.

[1472] Again, from the cut, quote, so far he has described 93 killings, 39 have been confirmed by available evidence.

[1473] Like those of Rosie Hill, he killed in 1982 in Marion County, Florida.

[1474] Daisy McGuire killed in 1996 in Homa, Louisiana.

[1475] or Homa, Louisiana, Nancy Carroll Stevens, who's killed in 2005 near Tupelo, Mississippi, and Little's first murder, a blonde woman in Miami, which was recently confirmed, but her name has not been released.

[1476] And again, this is restating it, but he dodged the arrest by targeting low -income neighborhoods in areas with particularly high numbers of drug addiction and unsolved murders.

[1477] He said, quote, I can go into my world and do what I want to do.

[1478] That's his attitude about it.

[1479] The other factor contributing to the ability to dodge the efforts was his method of killing, which as I explained, he basically, because he used his hands on them, there was, they would always assume there's no bullet wounds, there's no stab wounds, there's no overt signs of a murder case.

[1480] Right.

[1481] And so, there's no defensive ones either, probably because he knocked them out immediately.

[1482] He'd just like punch him out and then strangle them to death.

[1483] So, no foul play was ever suspected and most of the deaths were attributed to drug overdoses.

[1484] Holy shit.

[1485] Today little's and poor health he will likely stay in the prison until his death so the goal now is to verify his victims and provide closure and justice in the unsolved cases.

[1486] So VyCAP is hoping that this case will serve as a reminder to every jurisdiction of the importance of consistent violent crime reporting because when you actually investigate the death and you see that it's a violent crime and you put it into VICAP, then they can start tracing these people who are perhaps serial killers around the country.

[1487] Yeah.

[1488] And five hours ago, there was this story that I just found.

[1489] From today?

[1490] From fucking five hours ago.

[1491] Like, literally.

[1492] The headline said, prolific serial killer draws more victims after confessing to 90 murders, including one in Houston.

[1493] And basically, he drew a picture of a new person.

[1494] And the authorities saw it more like, Who is this?

[1495] And basically, he had created 16 drawings of the victims based on memory.

[1496] He's recently added 10 more drawings to the collection.

[1497] That's why we don't need that little creepy bit.

[1498] Like this is a terrible enough story that this part is like over the top.

[1499] Five hours ago, there's a brand new creepy bit where it's like he's got it all up in his head.

[1500] One of the victims only identified as a black female between 25 and 28 years old was killed in Houston between 1976 and 1970.

[1501] or in 1993, the FBI said.

[1502] They're not sure.

[1503] The drawings include victims from Charleston, South Carolina, Cincinnati, Ohio, New Orleans, Louisiana, Savannah, Georgia, Kendall, Florida, and North Little Rock, Arkansas.

[1504] The California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation Inmate Locator shows Little is currently in custody at the California State Prison in Los Angeles County.

[1505] this is a continuing story of terrible horrifying serial killer Sam Little.

[1506] So is he suspected of more crimes in Los Angeles, too, or in California?

[1507] I don't know specifically, just more crimes.

[1508] So, yeah, it's basically when he decides to tell the Texas Rangers or whoever he's still speaking with about the details.

[1509] That is unbelievable.

[1510] I mean insane, awful.

[1511] So crazy.

[1512] Great job.

[1513] Thank you.

[1514] To me, when this story broke, I was just like, man, this is another one of those grim sleeper stories where it's just someone who got to do what they wanted for 40 years.

[1515] And how many more are there like that and how many families are hoping that someone gives a shit about their fucking loved one who died and no one investigated it.

[1516] Right.

[1517] The fact that DNA is going to fucking come for you and it's fucking crazy.

[1518] I mean, it goes all.

[1519] the way.

[1520] It goes all the way the top.

[1521] That's the top.

[1522] Motherfuckers.

[1523] Let's change the topic.

[1524] Okay.

[1525] Something good.

[1526] What's your fucking parade this week?

[1527] I want to say great job though.

[1528] That was Oh, thank you.

[1529] You did that really well.

[1530] Thank you.

[1531] Thank you.

[1532] Um, fucking hooray.

[1533] I have a, you know, just some light ones.

[1534] Yeah.

[1535] Let's go light this week.

[1536] New therapist.

[1537] Is that light?

[1538] Yeah.

[1539] Okay, great.

[1540] New therapist I'm connecting with now after three sessions.

[1541] I really like her.

[1542] Awesome.

[1543] She's got crystals in her offer.

[1544] I don't know.

[1545] All the stuff you love.

[1546] Yeah, stuff I don't like, but I think people who have their shit together have, you know what I mean?

[1547] Like, her, she has a, a geode.

[1548] A coaster.

[1549] Essentially a geode.

[1550] Like a coaster that's made, that's a hexagon that's marble.

[1551] Okay.

[1552] It's like, oh, you have your shit together.

[1553] Okay.

[1554] Is that weird?

[1555] No, not at all.

[1556] That's, I told you, my first appointment with Michelle, my therapist, I looked around and everything was mid -century and moss green.

[1557] And I was like, this is crazy.

[1558] This is where I belong.

[1559] Absolutely.

[1560] If you can match your furniture.

[1561] Hello.

[1562] I can tell you about Janet.

[1563] Yes.

[1564] The trust is there.

[1565] There it is.

[1566] I'm getting to house to remodel a little bit and pick out like tiles and shit, which also means that I get to be bossy, which is hard for me and I'm learning.

[1567] No, it is not.

[1568] Your high is a kite.

[1569] It's all you do.

[1570] Okay, you're right.

[1571] I love it.

[1572] And I could do without feeling guilty because I'm paying her.

[1573] You should not feel guilty anyway.

[1574] You get to do what you want.

[1575] I know.

[1576] in this life i'm learning i'm trying you get to okay especially with shit like tiles what if i was like yeah and then i just squatted and took a piss on the carpet then we take you to your favorite therapist yeah and then rickie lynn homes scrubs me the fuck down in a mental institution and also okay i binge watched pen 15 which is just the word penis yeah it's just i get it yeah uh it's on hulu it's this their original show and uh it's like a combination of of Strangers with Candy Meets de Grosse.

[1577] And I don't cry.

[1578] I'm talking to my new therapist about that.

[1579] I cried in two episodes.

[1580] And it meant so much to me. It was such a beautiful show and so well done and great acting and just, and also weird.

[1581] And it's also kind of a miracle that it got made because it's just a weird show.

[1582] Yeah.

[1583] But in a great way.

[1584] And in the same way with Strangers with Candy, it's like, it just meant a lot to me. It was a beautiful show.

[1585] That's awesome.

[1586] 1015.

[1587] I've heard so many good things about Penn 15.

[1588] Yeah.

[1589] Yeah, I should watch that.

[1590] Well, mine, I would say, on that, on a similar note, I've been watching, there's a bunch of Miss Marples that are on.

[1591] Which one's that?

[1592] Miss Marple is, it's Agatha Christie's character where it's the old lady that basically keeps showing up a place of something like, what's going on here?

[1593] But she's a nosy nelly.

[1594] She's a nosy nelly that's as smart and observant as trilocombs.

[1595] so she goes in and it's like but i noticed that you had that brooch on yesterday and it's really delightful and in this series that i'm sure was bbc or some british um network there's several different actresses that play her because it was on for so long and the character's old so the actresses were on the older side cool so there's a couple different and they're all amazing in their own way but it's just it's that thing that's getting me through at night sometimes where it's just like it's so comforting but then you look at it and there's the casts are amazing the directing is amazing like it's actually great television yeah that I kind of put on like no this old funny old lady and it's like I love this show it's almost like you can do both you can have this like binge watching thing that you put on in the background but it also be really well made and that's like nice too probably it feels good yeah but I will save this this is a little bit bigger and maybe a little bit more philosophical but the other day so my new thing lately is I'm just blow drying my hair just so that like you know I've spent five years going I don't care what I look like yeah it's evident and so it's this is my new way of turning it around and just being like when I go outside this is what I just go like what do normal people do and then I try to do that too so blow drying my hair is a big thing because when my hair is not blown dry I I look a bit like lunatic and at least when it is it's just like you kind of feel a little bit better your hair looks styled right now and i think i've seen you both on blow -dried and blow -dried and blow -dried a lot and it does like and i get it too my hair is fucking insane and if i don't blow it dry it look like your crazy aunt yeah and your hair i can tell the difference and right now it looks like an expensive styling thank you i did it you look beautiful but i have to say so it's just that thing where i go i don't know what to do right now with myself but I just know that I have to take I have to do the little things and I just have to figure out what I want to do and do them yeah so I did so I did my blow dry plan and at one point I went to Gelson's and I walked up and it was just that thing where I think I feel a little bit better about myself I'm making eye contact with people I'm having a good time and slouching oh I do it too slouching along and just like feeling shitty and I have that thing now where when I and when I am on the heavier side I get really embarrassed in public.

[1596] I don't want to make eye contact.

[1597] I don't want to be in public.

[1598] I have a lot of, like, I am very, very mean to myself.

[1599] It's like a shame, shaming yourself.

[1600] Yes.

[1601] I do the Game of Thrones shame walk, but in Gelson's grocery store.

[1602] So I'm in the grocery store with my hair and my new attitude.

[1603] My ton of mascara.

[1604] I got a new attitude.

[1605] And I walk up to the yogurt section.

[1606] And there's a Miss Marple style old lady standing now staring at the yogurt in the area I want to be it.

[1607] Yeah, yeah.

[1608] So I'm standing kind of diagonally over to the side, waiting for her to leave so I can go and get my faget yogurt.

[1609] And there's 0 % or 2 %?

[1610] I like 2%.

[1611] Yeah, you got to have a little fat in there.

[1612] You got to have it.

[1613] It's more filling.

[1614] It's good for you.

[1615] Zero percent.

[1616] It doesn't.

[1617] Why are you?

[1618] Don't worry about it.

[1619] Don't pretend to eat.

[1620] Let's not be crazy.

[1621] Yeah.

[1622] So as I'm standing there waiting, I see movement in the back and I see some yogurts getting stacked up.

[1623] And then I hear this voice go, Miss, do you need any help finding anything?

[1624] And I was like, no, I'm, or I go, do you know where the big Fajais are?

[1625] And he's like, it's right over here.

[1626] But it's just, I can see the outline of a guy.

[1627] And basically, he and I had a full fucking conversation.

[1628] And he was like, Miss, you want me to come out and show you where it is?

[1629] And then I start laughing.

[1630] I'm like, no, I can see it.

[1631] It's right there.

[1632] I'm like, he wanted to come show you his yogurt.

[1633] And then I find it.

[1634] I'm like, take it down.

[1635] And he goes, is there anything else I can help you with?

[1636] And I was like, no, I think that's it.

[1637] He's like, I hope you have a great day, miss. And I'm making him sound younger than he was because it sounded like a man. And from the 60s or 40s, 50s, 50s style customer service for sure.

[1638] But it just was, I couldn't stop laughing as I walked out.

[1639] I was like, thanks so much.

[1640] Thanks so much for your yogurt experience.

[1641] Do you feel like you're being acknowledged a little more because you're walking around with confidence and eye contact and people are like noticing you as a human being and someone to interact with in life?

[1642] I think what it made me realize is I think I've spent a lot of, my life thinking I didn't have to bring anything to the table and still that I would be just in complaining that I didn't get anything from the table where it's like an even exchange.

[1643] So if I want to meet someone interesting in life, I have to have eyes up, yogurt conversation at the ready.

[1644] Like it's, you have to be prepared to do it and be the kind of person somebody might want to talk to you through the yogurt fucking stalls.

[1645] And I think an addition to that is not someone who you think, why is this person talking to me?

[1646] Like, they're making fun of me or they don't care or they instead of being like that i'm a worthy person of being spoken to yes i can bring that confidence to them as well and they're attracted to that and i'm attracted to theirs yes right i think so i mean like i it made me feel like a pretty lady the way he was trying to give me dairy area service all up in your dairy area come on get it but it was that thing where i walked away going the only thing different about me from a time before till now is the fact that I kind of went, well, I'm going to the store with this hair.

[1647] Like, yeah.

[1648] I want to be in the world.

[1649] And you know it's not the hair.

[1650] It's the confidence it gives you.

[1651] Yeah.

[1652] The hair is great too.

[1653] Hair is fine.

[1654] Mascar is nice.

[1655] I mean, I look a little dead without it, so it does help.

[1656] You got to put on some lipstick.

[1657] You don't want to look like a corpse from the messages from Pat Kilgara from the beyond.

[1658] Damn it, it's got wings.

[1659] But then the darn thing's got wings.

[1660] But then sometimes it's like, then sometimes some fun thing could happen.

[1661] I feel like that was so out of my realm for so long.

[1662] You know what you were doing?

[1663] What?

[1664] Flirting.

[1665] Do you know that?

[1666] Flirting with the yogurt?

[1667] No. Is that flirting?

[1668] You guys were flirting.

[1669] Were we?

[1670] Which is when I'm single, one of my favorite fucking hobbies.

[1671] Flirting is fun.

[1672] I'm terrible at it.

[1673] Try it.

[1674] It's stupid and ridiculous.

[1675] But no, tell me how.

[1676] Because see, my problem is I try to go for the joke.

[1677] as if anyone gives a single shit that I'm like, here's my wordplay.

[1678] Wordplay's good, but like in a like, well, I'm gonna get you I'm gonna, I'll shove the I'll dairy all over here fucking, I don't know.

[1679] I can't.

[1680] Oh shit four sticks of butter up.

[1681] What's that you say?

[1682] Like, um, this went wrong.

[1683] Georgia told me to tell you.

[1684] Oh, I just got, what's her face voice?

[1685] Did you hear me go?

[1686] Oh, Elizabeth Holmes.

[1687] When I'm flirting, this is my voice.

[1688] Oh, I don't recall.

[1689] I'll shove the dairy.

[1690] It puts the dairy in the basket.

[1691] Oh, I don't recall.

[1692] I don't recall.

[1693] Pretend you're Janet for my mom for a minute.

[1694] Well, she loves a blowout.

[1695] That's the first thing I ever noticed about her.

[1696] She gets great blowout.

[1697] And she's the biggest lord I've ever met.

[1698] She goes for with anyone.

[1699] She's great at it.

[1700] Why?

[1701] Because she thinks she's hot fucking shit at all time.

[1702] She is.

[1703] She is.

[1704] She's hot shit.

[1705] But like, if you're like some dairy guy.

[1706] says something to you, it's, it's like sarcasm.

[1707] It's like, pretend they're a gay guy that you would have a conversation with and be like, well, fuck you bitch, but like, do it just so when you want to fuck.

[1708] That's flirting.

[1709] Shit.

[1710] That's flirting.

[1711] That's a great, easy translation.

[1712] You flirt with your gay guy friends all the time.

[1713] Yes, that's true.

[1714] And you don't realize it because it's just normal.

[1715] It's natural.

[1716] But that's, you need to treat straight guys like that too.

[1717] That's a great idea.

[1718] Everyone's gay from now on.

[1719] Everyone's gay.

[1720] Yeah.

[1721] And I mean, aren't we?

[1722] Oh, everybody.

[1723] Then we make out.

[1724] That's the perfect ending to this episode.

[1725] To quote who?

[1726] To quote Kurt Cobain, everyone is gay.

[1727] Oh, Kurt.

[1728] Remember?

[1729] There he goes.

[1730] Corporate Rock still sucks.

[1731] Am I right, buddy?

[1732] Yeah.

[1733] You ruin my life with your weird attitudes and your heroin problem.

[1734] Did you do that?

[1735] Wow.

[1736] This has been intense.

[1737] This has been fucking lights off exactly right office.

[1738] We covered every single topic.

[1739] Are there any more?

[1740] No. Is this the end of the podcast?

[1741] I think it is.

[1742] Can you feel it?

[1743] Can you feel it ebbing away?

[1744] Can you feel it in the air?

[1745] Let's let it go.

[1746] And know that there'll always be another dairy section to come flirt with.

[1747] Yeah.

[1748] Thank you so much for listening to this insanity.

[1749] Yeah.

[1750] Stay sexy.

[1751] And don't get murdered.

[1752] Goodbye.

[1753] Oh, miss you want a cookie?

[1754] Ah.