#852 - John Anthony West

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[1] And we're live.

[2] Mr. West.

[3] Mr. Rogan.

[4] Pleasure to have you here in person.

[5] Doing it on Skype was fun and it was nice.

[6] And you are to this day the only podcast I've ever done on Skype.

[7] Really?

[8] Yep.

[9] Oh, wow.

[10] But I just had to talk to you.

[11] Like if you couldn't get down here, there's got to be away.

[12] So it was nice to be able to do it that way.

[13] But much nicer to see you here in person.

[14] And much better to be here in person.

[15] And actually, what's responsible for being here, in person is that I wouldn't actually come all this huge distance, even to be on your show, unless you paid me lots of money, of course, which you're not prepared to do.

[16] But because I have this conference coming up at the end of the week called CPAC, which I'm surprised you didn't know that, conference on pre -session and ancient knowledge, which is the end of this week for those living in Southern California might want to take a look at the website.

[17] Yeah, tell everybody where's that and what is it about?

[18] It's Rancho Mirage, which is a great name, it means there is no ranch.

[19] But Rancho Mirage, which is somewhere near Palm Springs, and it is about exactly what it says, conference on pre -session and ancient knowledge, and it questions, to begin with, the whole, shall I say, the whole scenario, the standard scenario about what causes procession, which is supposedly a kind of a wobble over the earth, caused by nobody knows exactly what.

[20] And the counter theory is that it isn't that.

[21] It's that there is a dwarf star of some sort orbiting the sun, upsetting the balance of the celestial mechanical balance of it.

[22] And that makes a difference.

[23] You say, well, what's the difference?

[24] One way or another there's procession.

[25] It does make a difference actually in the big picture because it means that our solar system basically conforms with all of the other solar systems, which mostly, are dual in nature.

[26] Sirius, for example, has the dwarf star that's circled around at Sirius B. That's responsible for all sorts of measurable phenomena.

[27] So it starts off from there, but then the ancient knowledge comes in because precession, and this is a big mystery, precession seems to be a factor of virtually every ancient society, be it sophisticated, a la China and India, South America, Meso -America, or so -called primitive a word I hate to use.

[28] It simply means unintellectualized or not expressed incoherent Western philosophy for whatever that's worth.

[29] But procession is a known fact discovered actually a long time ago.

[30] You'd think by now it would be common knowledge and everybody would teach it in school, which is sort of a joke.

[31] It's kind of interesting that people don't teach it, right?

[32] It is a very bizarre thing that it's so prominent in ancient cultures in ancient society that they literally mapped this out, this 26 ,000 -year cycle, this wobble of the earth, and that we rarely talk about it ever.

[33] No, because it upsets the notion that there's a knowledge of this going back to ancient times presupposes that there's a very advanced observational astronomy dating at a time when supposedly people were still living in trees.

[34] So this is actually a big deal, hence the conference on precession, and the ancient knowledge comes into it because understanding that there is a highly sophisticated scientific understanding that goes back not just to ancient Egypt itself, but far thousands and thousand millennia beyond upsets what is effectively the reigning religion of today, except it doesn't call itself a religion.

[35] It calls itself science, which is based supposedly on reason.

[36] It's not.

[37] None of those things are true.

[38] It's not based on science, and science is not based upon reason.

[39] Maybe we'll get time to that.

[40] Well, some sciences, but archaeology in particular is very rigid in its ideas, and a lot of it is based on the professors that have written books and that teach these ideas, and they don't want to let them go.

[41] And when new knowledge is discovered that challenges those ideas, they fight it rigorously.

[42] Even if it's knowledge like the stuff that you exposed with Dr. Ron Schock, Robert Schock, rather, which was the water erosion on the Sphinx, which we were talking about before the podcast, which is one of the best pieces of evidence, because the last time there was rainfall, heavy rainfall in the Nile Valley was, what was it, 9 ,000 BC?

[43] Is that what it was?

[44] They debate it, but it's anyway, it's way before the beginning of dynastic Egypt, and then it's a question of how old or when those rains fell.

[45] because it's an interesting bit of thing here that I'm now at liberty to relate publicly.

[46] Originally, I wasn't, when I first got shock over to Egypt, which is another two -hour podcast in itself, the history of getting shock interested in this stuff.

[47] And when he finally agreed very hesitantly and very skeptically to come along because he had to see the evidence for himself, and I scraped together a bit of money to bring him over, And we got into the Sphinx enclosure.

[48] I don't think it got in legally.

[49] I think we bribed our way in very early in the morning.

[50] Well, in Egypt, everything is possible.

[51] And bribed our way in, and he walked into the Sphinx enclosure.

[52] Actually, when we get that up on the screen, you'll see the level of the water, the extent of the weathering, of the water weathering.

[53] And Chuck looked at it, and everybody else walks into the Sphinx enclosure and has this actually this shock of recognition in the presence of this fabulous work of sacred sculpture in fact of sacred sculpture and shock looked with shock as a no that's not it was way back to me right to the beginning first slides and shock everybody else sees the sphinx as a work of art shock sees the rocks geologist and he back like this and he said wow these rocks look like they're hundreds of thousands of years old and he said don't quote me on that because that's of course absolute heresy that the most spectacular sculpture on earth should be tens of thousands of years actually even the 4 ,500 years that it's associated with do not conform with anybody's idea of how civilization developed This goes back to why the academic, I call it the quackademic establishment, is so passionately defends the old paradigm the way that it does because the reigning paradigm, the reigning religion today, which is not acknowledged that religion, is that this is the Church of Progress.

[54] And it's credo, just like the Virgin Birth, is the credo of, of early Christianity, or present -day Christianity, not that they know what they're talking about, the creedo of the Church of Progress is, A, we are the most sophisticated human beings that have ever lived on the face of the planet with our hydrogen bombs and our nerve gas and our striped toothpaste and our Disneyland's.

[55] We're the best that ever was.

[56] And secondly, that progress, as it's called, goes in a straight line from primitive cavemen up to ourselves.

[57] And when it becomes self -evident, that in very, very ancient times, they had knowledge of precession, which is an incredible thing to.

[58] It's almost unimaginable that it happens through careful observation, because the sun, I don't know if all of the audience will know what this is, so maybe it's worth talking about.

[59] The sun, if you look at the spring equinox now, Now, the last, the sun is rising against the last bits of Pisces.

[60] It may even be in the earliest stages of Aquarius.

[61] And gradually the sun precesses us to say it goes backwards around the zodiac in a cycle that takes 25 ,000 canonically, 25 ,920 years to make a complete circle.

[62] What this means is that it actually takes.

[63] take 72 years, precisely, for the sun to precess one degree.

[64] So this is nothing.

[65] Who's going to be sitting there for 72 years watching the track of the sun in a cycle that takes 26 ,000 years to go around?

[66] And observe that there's a discrepancy enough to write it down and pass that information down?

[67] And then why should they care?

[68] It's somehow or another deeply connected with the civilization of that time and with our civilization.

[69] And you look at the numbers involved.

[70] This is another hours of conversation actually.

[71] The 72 and the 73 are significant numbers in practically all of the developed numerologically based societies.

[72] So in Egypt, Set who's the bad guy, derivative probably Satan is derived from set.

[73] He's the bad guy but he's also a great god.

[74] That is to say the gods are not gods in any superstitious fashion.

[75] They represent the embodiments of cosmic principles.

[76] So, excuse me, set is he who fixes spirit and matter.

[77] And the whole basis of any esoteric doctrine, including most of the religions that are around even today in their depraved forms, the objective of any esoteric discipline is to free ourselves individually and collectively for imprisonment and matter.

[78] This is the quest for immortality.

[79] And So in some sense or another, that processional cycle is very important, and the numbers are important in the myth, which again we don't have time for, but Osiris is the good king.

[80] Actually, this is all very carefully expounded, very brilliantly, in fact, in the Hamlet myth, which becomes Shakespeare's Hamlet, and then in the Lion King, in Disney's Lion King, in the movie especially, which is really pretty brilliant.

[81] Anyway, set is the good king who is beloved by his people and set is his wicked brother, his evil brother, who is determined to unseat him and steal his sister -wife ISIS while he's at it.

[82] Anyway, set sets a trap for Osiris, and it's set and is 72 followers.

[83] So 72 is this number associated with time, and the 72 to 73 is a very significant ratio.

[84] actually, which pervades the philosophies of, as I said, of all of the esoteric civilizations.

[85] So all of this stuff, instead of, instead of being the kind of ask a quackademic, the same guy you were talking about earlier, still thinks the sixth is weathered by sand, ask one of those what ancient myth is about.

[86] They say, oh, well, it's just a fabrication written by primitive people who are trying to explain the mysteries of the universe.

[87] It's the other way around.

[88] The primitive people are the ones with the PhDs.

[89] And back then, not only did they understand these scientific, these astronomical facts, but they orchestrated their whole civilization around those facts.

[90] And the more, the deeper you get into this, the more miraculous the extent of ancient knowledge becomes.

[91] Now, what is the mainstream explanation?

[92] When they talk about the prevalence of the number 72 and their understanding of the procession of the equinoxes, do they address it at all?

[93] Like, how do they sort of explain how they knew about this 26 ,000 -year cycle?

[94] It was a very quick answer to that, actually, for a change.

[95] No, they don't.

[96] They just don't.

[97] They just ignore it.

[98] Is it sort of like the Parthenon, the Acropolis?

[99] You know, which one?

[100] The Acropolis is the building, and the Parthenon's the structure, right?

[101] Is that what it is?

[102] No, both are temples, both are buildings.

[103] But what's the base?

[104] The base is the one that they don't explain, right?

[105] They just go, well, we don't really exactly.

[106] That's the gigantic, enormous base, the huge stones that the Acropolis is built on, right?

[107] No, I don't know.

[108] Which one is the Acropolis?

[109] I always screw those up.

[110] Acropolis is the one on top.

[111] Right.

[112] Okay, see, the Parthenon is what they're built on.

[113] This is the base structure, where whatever it is, the bottom area.

[114] I don't know, actually.

[115] I've never really looked that deep.

[116] deeply into it other than that there's a friend of mine who's worked with the proportions and the sophisticated proportions of the Parthenon, and it shows, actually, that it's as minutely orchestrated as anything in Egypt, even though it's much later than Egypt.

[117] Much later than Egypt, but no one knows who built it and no one knows why they built it.

[118] It's one of those weird ones where it's not really described in the text and the Acropolis is built upon it.

[119] At least that's what explained to me by Greek historians, by people who understand Greek history.

[120] They just really don't understand where it came from.

[121] Well, I believe that's true, except that I think it's pretty certain that it's not of Egyptian age, although if you're talking about gigantic paving stones at the bottom of it, as said, I don't know.

[122] Yeah.

[123] But whenever you see those gigantic stones, that's a pretty good indication of an earlier period of construction.

[124] As at Balbeck, they have these...

[125] monolithic 1 ,200 ton blocks that they think the Romans put in there.

[126] That's in Lebanon, right?

[127] That's Lebanon, yeah.

[128] So there's a ton of this kind of indirect evidence, and when you put it all together, you get, there's enough of a picture there so that it overthrows the basis, as I said, what's important about it is, in one sense, who cares?

[129] In another sense, it overthrows the supposed it's scientific basis of the Church of Progress, that we're the most sophisticated people that ever were, and we can do whatever we please with this once glorious planet of ours without worrying about it because we're the best in everyone before us was primitive.

[130] Well, there's a lot of new evidence now since you started your work, particularly all that nuclear glass that they're finding that corresponds with meteor impacts throughout Europe and Asia, and that's somewhere around the end of the Ice Age, really in the same sort of time period when they do core samples and they find this nuclear glass, it's all at around 10 ,000 plus years ago.

[131] That kind of stuff really starts to indicate that we're looking at possibly an event that might have shaped human history or a reset of a large percentage of the people on this planet where civilization in many areas was all but wiped out.

[132] And then they had a rebuild again.

[133] Yeah, this is, I mean, actually, this is coming to the fore now.

[134] there's a lot of evidence for these, I think it's the tectites they're called.

[135] Shock thinks that they are the result of a gigantic CME, a coronal mass ejection, giant solar flares.

[136] And there's a lot of evidence for this.

[137] Actually, we know if we get into talking about it here.

[138] I will at CEPAC for sure.

[139] Shock will be at CAC.

[140] Anyway, that it's, but it's unlikely that it's actually a nuclear blast because it would be inconceivable of the, well, at least by our standards, a man -made nuclear blast, although when you go into the Hindu texts, and I think it's the Upanishads where they describe what sounds like, I mean, it's described as a battle of the gods, but for all the world, it does sound like a nuclear conflagration.

[141] I mean, a human -made nuclear conflagration.

[142] I'm not, I don't think anybody knows enough to say what it is, than that, that story is in there.

[143] In fact, one of the, I'm a, because I'm a writer by trade, I'm very interested in the way that language is used.

[144] And so myth is one of the, one of the principle misleading words that, if you look in the dictionary, the first meaning that it gives from myth is a lie.

[145] You would talk about the myth Busters, Ghostbush, that myth is a lie.

[146] But the ancients didn't see myth as a lie.

[147] What myth actually is, when you get into it fairly deeply, is it is the interplay of cosmic principles described as drama rather than in mathematics.

[148] So once you get a good look, this is an extraordinary but opaque book called Hamlet's Mill by Giorgio Desmond.

[149] Santiana and Hertha von Deccant, who were historians of science at MIT, which is about as respectable as credentials can be.

[150] So as soon as, as soon as myth is understood as having both a rigorous scientific, as well as, as well as philosophical and spiritual base, the whole understanding of myth turns around.

[151] And you see, for example, in Hamlet and Shakespeare's Hamlet, which is based upon a Danish folk tale, which then becomes quite brilliantly, actually, the Lion King in the Disney film, you see how the myth, I mean, in other words, you could decode the Osiris Isis Horace myth as pure science and you might call as spiritual or sacred science, and at the same time, it's a ripping good story when you put it that way as story, because then everybody can understand it, even if they don't understand it, even if they can't articulate what they've understood, the power of the story soaks through.

[152] So myth is actually, the more you know about it, my case is not that much, but at least it's better than nothing, the more you know about it, the more amazing mythology becomes that they should have been able to put together these complex, hierarchical, esoteric concepts in a way that resonates as a story.

[153] Otherwise, insofar as, I mean, our own cosmology is next to impossible to understand unless you're a cosmologist and schooled in the abstract mathematics that make the thing work.

[154] I mean, I can't, I mean, the mathematics is absolutely beyond me. but some of my astrophysicist friends can explain it to me in such a way that I understand, but it still doesn't have any emotional impact.

[155] So essentially what you're saying is that they didn't have the sort of scientific discipline that we have today.

[156] They didn't understand a lot of the things that we know today as far as the way academics or scientists relay information about space or about cosmology.

[157] So what they did is they combined theater and story with the actual.

[158] facts that they knew.

[159] So that was the way they would relay this stuff and that's the way that stuff would be passed on, that information would be passed on through these stories.

[160] But in those stories was an actual history of the world itself as far as they knew.

[161] Through that and through symbolism.

[162] And this is an infinitely superior way of communicating knowledge because you don't have to be an expert.

[163] It soaks into your bones in such a way.

[164] that it directs personally and collectively people's behaviors.

[165] And it's my firm conviction, but this is why Egypt lasted as a coherent civilization, even in its dynastic form, for 3 ,500 years.

[166] And our lunatic society is coming apart at the seams in front of our eyes at 300 years.

[167] I wanted to talk to you about the written history of Egypt and the hieroglyphic history of the fact.

[168] Because I remember, I think it was from Magical Egypt 1, you were talking about the historical record, like what they have written down in the hieroglyphs about the pharaohs, that it goes back far beyond what we think of as the birth of Egypt.

[169] You know, the construction, the Great Pyraman, I believe they put it, modern academics put it at 2 ,500 BC, correct?

[170] Yes.

[171] And they, you believe that it's possible that Egypt existed as far back as, I think you said, 34 ,000 years.

[172] years?

[173] Well, that's their own, that's the Egyptians account, not mine.

[174] Right.

[175] Of course.

[176] As expressed, as expressed in a couple of, in a stone tablet called the Palermo Stone, because it's now in Palermo, Italy.

[177] And in a very fragmentary papyrus called the Turin papyrus, which is now in Turin.

[178] And both of these documents, one is a stone steeler, and the other is a papyrus, tell.

[179] or recount long periods when Egypt was ruled first by the Netscheru, which means the gods themselves, which I take to mean fully realized divine human beings.

[180] In other words, human beings that have attained, that have passed the test of the quest for immortality, who are in effect, they've outsmarted death or they've outdeveloped death.

[181] Why do you believe this?

[182] because their works speak for themselves, as it were.

[183] And the level of the, now we're talking back even to dynastic Egypt, because the temples themselves and the level of art involved, particularly in the sculpture, is such that standard, I'd say genius is rare enough, but standard human genius, doesn't seem to apply to these incredible constructions.

[184] And the quacademics simply dismiss it out of hand as really very talented exponents of a barbaric and primitive understanding of the cosmos.

[185] I leading my trips there, which I do, as you know, a few times a year.

[186] Next one coming up, by the way, anybody listening in?

[187] How could people go on one of those trips with you?

[188] Oh, it's very easy to pay.

[189] Okay.

[190] Where do they find you, though?

[191] On my website.

[192] John Anthony West .com?

[193] Yeah, on the website or my email, J -A -W.

[194] Sphinx at AOL .com.

[195] Oh, you messed up.

[196] You gave out your email.

[197] That's a disaster.

[198] Is it?

[199] My people, horrible people.

[200] You're going to send you naked pictures, for sure.

[201] Oh, not of themselves, I hope.

[202] But I'm familiar with the term dick pick?

[203] I am now.

[204] Yeah, there you go.

[205] So your thoughts are that these people that lived 34 ,000 years ago were incredibly advanced, like much further advanced than we are today.

[206] Which doesn't take much, but when you understand what's involved.

[207] But, yeah, I know what you're saying, but I mean, we're pretty damn advanced compared to people a few hundred years ago, correct?

[208] In certain ways we are, but we still can't.

[209] We couldn't, we couldn't and wouldn't build the cathedral of Shatra.

[210] There's nobody alive, to the best of my knowledge, who could produce a building that is based upon sacred principles that even comes close to...

[211] You mean, sacred geometry?

[212] And sacred even that.

[213] I mean, a few people really know quite a bit about this, but they couldn't design Chhatra.

[214] And that's, well, that's, you know, 12th century.

[215] Anyway, what was it about Egypt in that time in particular that, in your opinion?

[216] I mean, obviously there's a lot of speculation going on here because there's so little evidence from 34 ,000 years ago.

[217] But what is it about that area that you think develop people at such an incredibly high level?

[218] Because unless there's more evidence to be found, there doesn't seem to be any parallels anywhere else in the world like that one spot.

[219] Actually, there's a fairly simple explanation for that for a change, as most of the stuff is so complicated.

[220] But just to go back a bit to the rule by the Netscheru, the gods themselves, and the names of those rulers are given and the length of time that they reigned.

[221] And then there's another group of Semi - The line of time is incredible, right?

[222] Well, this is where we're getting the 34 ,000, 36 ,000 BC from.

[223] Yeah.

[224] Because you add the times up, the Turin papyrus has a similar thing of the reign rule of the Netsiru, and the rule by that's called the Shem Suhor, the followers or the...

[225] the followers of the companions of Horus.

[226] And again, the names are given and the Regnaleas.

[227] And when you add those all up together, you get around 34, 36 ,000 BC.

[228] But weren't the, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but weren't some of the pharaohs, didn't they live hundreds of years?

[229] There's no evidence for that.

[230] But wasn't it written that they did?

[231] I'm not sure.

[232] I'm not sure what those dates are, actually.

[233] I've not actually deeply researched them.

[234] I get those figures from Schwallard de Lübeckst, the great genius with the unpronounceable name, who put together the whole interpretation of Symbolist Egypt, from which my work is derived.

[235] I mean, I regard myself as Schwalers Boswell, making his basically impenetrable work accessible to...

[236] Dumbies like me?

[237] No, smart guys like you, not dummies like politicians and quackademic.

[238] No. But when you're talking about 34 ,000 years, I mean, the average person today lives to be about 80 years, you're talking about an incredible number of pharaohs then.

[239] Yeah, you are.

[240] And so all that is depicted?

[241] Apparently, apparently the names are given.

[242] I get that from Schaller from the one long chapter he wrote called the chronology, choreography he called it, not the word for it, but the chronology of Egypt.

[243] Egypt where he's looking to back up to, from a scholarly point of view, from the scholarly argument, that the Egyptians knew what they were talking about when they were assigning these long reigns, that these are not fictitious.

[244] This is not made up history in order to, you know, fool the people who couldn't read the hieroglyphs anyway, only the scribes could read the hieroglyphs.

[245] So Schaller wrote this very long and thoughtful.

[246] and scholarly lecture.

[247] Sorry, not lecture, but the chapter.

[248] And then at the very end of it, this throwaway line, and of course the Great Sphinx of Giza has been weathered, shows unmistakable signs of aquatic erosion.

[249] And that was my little epiphany because I picked up on that and said, wow, the rest of this isn't science, but that's geology.

[250] And if the geologists can be, you know, can, will agree that this cannot have taken place since 2 ,500 years, 2 ,500 BC when the Sphinx is supposedly built, this will upset the whole paradigm.

[251] All of civilization will have to be, of our view of civilization, will have to be rethought.

[252] And that's began this long, long, now four -decade -long quest to find somebody to back it up.

[253] And we're now, my sense of it is, closing in on beating down the opposition.

[254] And this will be another thing, actually, in fact, I'll probably be talking about at CPAC, but probably with a little bit more politely than I feel necessary to talk about here.

[255] I'm here with you.

[256] And that is riffing on a line that probably everybody who tunes into this is familiar with Victor Hugo, the French poet novelist, a dramatist of the 19th century.

[257] Actually France is most popular poet of the 19th century was Victor Hugo.

[258] And it was Victor Hugo who wrote the famous line, There's one thing stronger than all the armies in the world, and that is an idea whose time has come.

[259] You know that line, right?

[260] Everybody knows that line.

[261] But what Victor Hugo didn't think of, or if he did, he didn't express it, was that the second strongest thing in the world is an idea whose time has not yet gone.

[262] And since it is a matter of record that all of the armies in the world, be they military, economic, financial, cultural, agricultural, even, wherever there's a paradigm, there's an army devoted to protecting that paradigm.

[263] And this is where we stand now, that the idea whose time has come only comes when the second strongest, the armies of the second strongest.

[264] strongest thing in the world, are beaten down, are beaten into the ground, and somebody breaches the portcullis to the ivory tower where all of these guys live.

[265] And this is a particular interest to me because I am a scholar by default, but a satirist by nature.

[266] And really, my whole, my whole adult life has been devoted to proving a vision that I had at the age of 13 or so that I was born into a lunatic asylum.

[267] And at the age of about 19, it's a very uncomfortable place to live where everybody's called it progress.

[268] And I thought it was crazy.

[269] And at age about 19 or so, I knew what I wanted to do, which was to be the little boy who said the emperor has no clothes and to prove to everybody's satisfaction that, indeed, the emperor has no clothes, and it's a lunatic asylum.

[270] The end result took me a few couple of decades to realize that.

[271] It was that in real life what happens is that, no, the people all don't say, oh, look, the emperor has no clothes and everybody lives happily ever after.

[272] What happens is that the disgraced emperor goes back to his palace and regroups the empire.

[273] And at the end, all of the forces of empire conspire to prove to everyone that the emperor's clothes are real, but it's the child who's imaginary.

[274] We were talking about this before the podcast.

[275] And This is a really fascinating aspect of this discussion was your, when I first became aware of your work was that Charlton Heston narrated documentary about the aging of the sphinx, the mystery of the sphinx, which I believe was on NBC.

[276] What I thought was shocking was when Dr. Shock was speaking to that Egyptologist who was saying what evidence is there of a culture that existed.

[277] 7 ,000 years before ancient Egypt.

[278] There's no evidence.

[279] He's like, there is no, and he was laughing.

[280] And the way he was doing, there was so much ego involved in what he was saying.

[281] I was like, wow, this is not how I would picture an Egyptologist laughing.

[282] Well, that got me curious.

[283] I started getting into it.

[284] Why would anybody think like that?

[285] And then I realized, oh, these guys write books, and they teach lectures and they teach classes based on this information that they're teaching.

[286] And now this information has been shown to be not true anymore.

[287] when Dr. Shock was showing this water erosion, he was saying that, this was all before the discovery of Gobeckley -Tepe.

[288] And once they discovered Gobeckley -Tepi, now they know that there is a sophisticated structure capable of massive stone circles that was 12 ,000 years ago, at least, when it was intentionally buried.

[289] So it could have easily been several thousand years old then.

[290] We don't know.

[291] But we know at least 12 ,000 years ago someone was capable of incredible design and incredible stone.

[292] structures with three -dimensional animals carved into these stone structures, which is very sophisticated.

[293] Now, has that guy been talked to since then, and has he amended his position on it?

[294] As far as I know, he hasn't, and I know Lainer reasonably well, we're civil to each other, and it won't be long now.

[295] I mean, he's one of the generals of the, in the, in the, in the army of the idea whose time has not yet gone, and his time is coming up pretty short.

[296] Does he address Gobeckley -Tepi?

[297] Now, me, because his whole position was there was no civilization.

[298] What evidence is there?

[299] Well, now that you have this evidence, what does he say?

[300] Well, maybe.

[301] I haven't actually spoken to him, and I don't know if anyone has.

[302] I see him in Egypt every once in a while.

[303] I don't know if anyone has, and I ran into him fairly recently.

[304] We just said hello.

[305] And I don't think I'd really, I'd necessarily want to bring it up with him off the record.

[306] I'd rather have him with the camera's on us and just see what happens.

[307] But otherwise, otherwise, he's a dead duck.

[308] But it's just so, he seems to be just clinging to this idea because he can.

[309] Like mainstream academia hasn't accepted this predating of the sphinx or also the, the difference in the structures, like the difference in the construction methods that were used, one of the more fascinating things that you sort of highlighted in your ancient Egypt series, Magical Egypt, which is fantastic.

[310] And I highly recommend it to anybody who is even remotely curious of this.

[311] You will be sucked in in an incredible way.

[312] It got to the point my wife was walking by the TV.

[313] She's like, Jesus Christ, you watch in Egypt again?

[314] And I'm like, it's like six discs.

[315] It goes on forever, eight.

[316] So the different, there's a clear distinction between the older methods of construction and the newer methods.

[317] They use different methods.

[318] And it's really obvious to someone like me who's not even, I don't know anything about it.

[319] But you could see the difference.

[320] And also that these older structures were below the newer structures.

[321] Like you had to dig down to get them.

[322] That's right.

[323] But the fact that they don't address that, the fact that this isn't, that's like they want to lump this all into the same people is kind of crazy.

[324] It is.

[325] But as long as they can get away with it, they will continue to get away.

[326] with it.

[327] As I said, the second strongest thing in the world is the idea whose time has not yet gone.

[328] And anybody who doesn't, let's say, among myself and my colleagues who are all in this, let's say, the question to prove, to demonstrate that advanced civilization existed in the very distant past, which is, in my case, in other cases not necessarily, but in my it's because that opens the door in and of itself.

[329] It doesn't affect the price of eggs.

[330] But on a much more profound philosophical level, once it's understood that that understanding that civilization goes back way much, much further, leads to the understanding and the acceptance that our role, our destiny as human beings, is to achieve immortality.

[331] This is as simple as all as that.

[332] it's just a head trip.

[333] In other words, if it's not understood that we have a role to play in this grand cosmic scheme, there's no civilization possible.

[334] What do you mean by that?

[335] Our goal is to achieve immortality.

[336] Do you mean as individuals, or do you mean that, like, in what's, in what way?

[337] That we arrive at a level of consciousness that is not subject to the death of the physical body.

[338] All of religion is based upon that.

[339] All of the stories of the saints and the rishis and the masters and so on, is based upon, all of it, is based upon their experiences that have led them to this understanding.

[340] If it's just a head trip, it's no good.

[341] It has to be part of your very being.

[342] The purpose of sacred art and of sacred music when it works is to communicate, even if only momentarily and fragmentarily, this understanding that there's something else And speaking from my own personal experiences, I've never gone through a full -blown mystical experience.

[343] But I've had lots of these moments, particularly in Egypt, in a long study, and these moments in Egypt where there's this sudden realization that the world, as it manifests to our faculties, our normal faculties, is not the only world.

[344] There is this something else beyond that, which was understood a lot better in those days than now.

[345] And actually, funnily enough, I forgot to mention this, but I don't know if you know this.

[346] I've been spent the last couple of years sort of sidetracked from my regular work working on a book written by a friend of mine, good friend, who was not a writer.

[347] So I helped him with the editing and contributed to it.

[348] And this is maybe the definitive book on NDE's, you know what those are, right?

[349] Near -death experiences.

[350] He was a Christian pastor, a rare guy who actually lived what he preached, named David Solomon.

[351] And he had collected all of this material, a huge amount of material that he was trying to systematize, because this is now, it's certainly not a common experience, but there are 5 ,000 verifiable accounts of people who have been clinically dead and who have been revived usually through modern methods because now one of the reasons why it's now so common and before it was reserved for the saints, the great saints, and the mystics that modern medicine has improved to such an extent that if you get to these people quickly enough any number of people who are clinically dead for X number of minutes, you know, not two days, but minutes, sometimes more extended period than that, come back with these tales of this realm beyond that of the senses, a realm of higher consciousness.

[352] Basically what it is, what they've experienced is grace.

[353] In Christian terms, it's grace.

[354] It's a moment, and they come back transformed.

[355] They come back convinced that everything that they were doing before is either nonsense or unimportant.

[356] And they often come back with a mission, even though they don't have to schooling, let's say.

[357] They don't understand philosophically or spiritually what they've experienced.

[358] They know what they've experienced.

[359] And they laugh at the debunkers who are saying it's all hallucination of the brain, dying brain.

[360] This is all garbage.

[361] What they've experienced, they've experienced.

[362] And David put these together in a systematic fashion.

[363] And then as he was just, he collected all this material.

[364] And I was telling him, he's a good friend.

[365] He financed our trip to Goveckli -Tepe five, six years ago.

[366] and he started losing his balance and he was a Tai Chi guy who knows a lot about balance also a bonsai master and a Christian pastor unusual guy and he started losing his balance and it wasn't going away and the doctors finally figured out what he had what it was wrong with him and he had a glioblastoma something I forget prope something do you know what a glioma is it's a form of brain cancer that is 100 % fatal it's the only thing you have is a You can't determine the timeline.

[367] And they gave him something like 10 months to 12 months to live.

[368] He actually lived three years.

[369] And at that point, he had all of this material.

[370] And I told him when he was telling me about it, I said, I should write a book.

[371] This is really good stuff.

[372] The way you're doing it is not like anybody else has ever done.

[373] And he said, no, no, I'm not a writer.

[374] I'm just doing this.

[375] And then when he found out, the diagnosis, then he had a mission, which was to get the book out.

[376] But he wasn't a writer.

[377] So he drafted me. to put the words in right order and he lasted just long enough to get the book finished and get it published and it's really if this went viral it could make a difference it's called he was very good at titles David it's called the Dead Saints Chronicles subtitle a a Zen journey through the Christian afterlife and it really is an absolutely extraordinary book and to becomes quite clear when you go through this that what people have experienced is a state of grace that's not all the same.

[378] I mean, some people, it's more profound and some people less so, but all of these people are unprepared for what they've experienced, and all of them come back transformed.

[379] And of course, the quackademics, this is one of the ways they protect themselves.

[380] Peer review is one way.

[381] And the other is their insistence.

[382] Who the hell gave them the right to make the rules from science that apply to science.

[383] If they're scientists, that gives them the right to make the rules?

[384] No, the rules are the rules.

[385] And one of their chief elements, one of the chief ways in which they protect themselves is to insist that anecdotal evidence, personal experience doesn't count.

[386] I don't know about you, but I wouldn't buy a cookbook by someone who's never fried an egg.

[387] So these are guys who've never fried a spiritual egg.

[388] And these 5 ,000 accounts are people who have actually been there to this superior realm and come back to talk about it.

[389] No, but you say you haven't had a mystical experience.

[390] You mean a psychedelic experience?

[391] No, that I've had, yes.

[392] You've had psychedelic experience?

[393] Which kind of psychedelic experiences have you had?

[394] Oh, I've done ayahuasca, and I've done, you know, you name it.

[395] Right.

[396] So then you're, so you've done DMT?

[397] Yes, and I've done, not mescaline, but, yeah.

[398] other one acid okay all of those no the experiences come actually from me as I said they're not a major it's not the state of grace that these people are talking about you didn't experience the state of grace when you did DMT not quite no not not compared to what the the the the NDEs can I ask how many times you've done it one one time okay did you do a lot of it I don't know you got to do a lot of it yeah maybe you just dissolved did you go to this crazy geometric infinite universe where you didn't get in there then i didn't get in there that i didn't need how long you in town for pardon how long you in town for only till tomorrow hmm we'll have to make something happen you got to you got to go deeper yeah that experience that people are having in near -death experience is mirrored by the same experience i'm sure you're aware of dr rick strassman oh yeah sure sure um he i believe actually he's on the that's right i never met him when chance was doing the brilliant guy and so important Because what he has created by his book, DMT, the Spirit Molecule, they did these clinical tests giving people DMT in a clinical setting at the University of New Mexico.

[399] And what they found was these people achieve this incredible state of understanding, a more relaxed vision of the future.

[400] They're more confident, like the idea.

[401] I mean, this is also mirrored by some of the John Hopkins test that they've done with people with psilocybin, where people.

[402] People have, you know, they have just a much better outlook about the future.

[403] They don't think that this is it and that whatever happens to them when they're having these trips.

[404] And the way Strassman did it is much more intense than most people do it because they did intravenous doses, which last longer.

[405] A typical DMT trip lasts only about 15 minutes unless you just jump right back in, which is what I usually do.

[406] But he gave these people intravenous doses, which take them just very deep for more than a half an hour.

[407] and they all have very similar stories and similar stories to people that have had near -death experiences I've had friends that have had near -death experiences and when they talk about it it's very similar to the way I've talked to other people that have had DMT trips where they are in the presence of this divine greatness, this something.

[408] But that is also a chemical that's produced by the brain.

[409] Now this is where neuroscientists step in and say, well, your experience is experiencing as some sort of a hallucination and they might be right but it also might be some sort of a chemical gateway that your brain produces when we really don't know and that might be the way the soul quote unquote air quotes whatever but for lack of a better word transitions to this next stage of life now when the anecdotal evidence that you're talking about is measured up what's interesting about it is similar accounts over and over and over and over again that people that can remember things they remember this incredibly divine experience.

[410] But, you know, the question becomes, is that experience, and this is something that I've been bouncing around in my head a lot lately, is that experience a hallucination, or is that experience an actual real experience in a divine presence?

[411] And does it matter because, is it the same thing no matter what?

[412] If you just think you're experiencing God and divine greatness, because you're creating it in your mind versus actually experiencing God and divine greatness.

[413] Isn't the experience the exact same thing?

[414] And is our mind locked into the idea of a physical thing, like this laptop?

[415] I can pick it up, I can drop it, I know it has weight, I can touch it, I can measure the width.

[416] We can't do that with psychedelic experiences.

[417] We can't do that with transcendent experiences.

[418] We can't do that with mystical experiences.

[419] You can't measure them.

[420] You can't put them in a bag and take it home with you.

[421] But it might be the same thing.

[422] It's entirely possible that this is what many, many ancient cultures experienced as well.

[423] They found the use of psychedelics very early on, and this is also something that you documented in your work.

[424] And they documented it very clearly in a lot of the Egyptian work.

[425] They had deep understanding and knowledge.

[426] Exactly, Joe.

[427] This is one of the important things about the drugs, the drugs and the NDE experiences.

[428] In my view, the NDE experience is more so because there's nothing in the way.

[429] There's nothing obstructing it.

[430] They're dead.

[431] And this is where they go.

[432] With the drugs, you know you're you in these experiences.

[433] And the problem, interesting, the problem, it's not a problem is the wrong word.

[434] But with the NDE experiences, I mean, absolutely, Joe Sixpack, everybody, ordinary people, many of them, some of them, even atheists, go through this and come back, literally transform.

[435] their whole lives are changed by it.

[436] With the drugs, it really is.

[437] For the most part, it's a trip.

[438] It doesn't have this, let's say, this lasting transformational value.

[439] It does on some people.

[440] It does sometimes, yes.

[441] The John Hopkins study showed that a lot of people, decades later, had a vastly improved quality of life, different outlook on things, and especially when you're dealing with terminally ill patients.

[442] Oh, well.

[443] And they've given it to terminally ill patients, significant lessening of anxiety and fear of death.

[444] Oh, sure.

[445] It would be.

[446] But the hallucination, this is another scam by the so -called rationalists, who, in fact, they're not there, this idea that it's a hallucination.

[447] And what's a hallucination?

[448] And what's its evolutionary value?

[449] Why should there be a...

[450] Where's the hallucination gene?

[451] This is all bullshit, actually.

[452] And what it actually is, is not based upon reason as they like to, as they promote themselves.

[453] What it is actually is the rationalization of their own inner empty.

[454] They can't handle the fact that there might be something else, and in fact their whole intellectual lives are consecrated to the, to proving that life is indeed as meaningless as their own.

[455] But is that what it is, or is it they're just trying to look at some sort of, give it a critical, objective view and go over all the possibilities.

[456] We know that drugs do affect the mind in very strange ways.

[457] We know some people take drugs, and it completely distorts their reality.

[458] Alcohol is a perfect example of that, right?

[459] It's a great drug for distorting reality.

[460] You can watch someone get drunk and have a very bizarre version of what they're looking at.

[461] There's many drugs that change the way people look at things, like physically, the way they see things.

[462] They will hallucinate.

[463] So we know that drugs have an effect on people.

[464] That's right.

[465] I mean, it seems rational, though, that a scientist would look at those things and try to find some sort of a scientific explanation for the chemical process that's going on in the mind, the way it's affecting the visual cortex.

[466] and the things that the person is, quote -unquote, hallucinating.

[467] Underlying that contention, which is not science in and of itself, that is just a hypothesis.

[468] That is speculation.

[469] And I said what is based upon is protecting their own vision of the world, which is that the universe is an accident, and anything that is mystical or so -called spiritual, is hallucinatory, and they have the answers.

[470] And these people, as far as I'm concerned, are more dangerous.

[471] even than politicians.

[472] They are, they are, put it this way.

[473] It's the, the Church of Progress is the religion of the emotionally defective, the spiritually dyslexic, and the philosophically depraved.

[474] But to put it into other terms, you actually, martial arts master I studied with briefly, used to say in his Japanese accent, And if you want happiness in this crazy world, you do not talk about moonbeams to the blind or moonbeams to the blind, music to the death, and you absolutely do not talk about sex to eunuchs.

[475] They just get angry.

[476] And this is what you're dealing with when you're dealing with these intellectually based scientists.

[477] These are spiritual, emotional, and philosophical.

[478] of Unix, and it's no surprise when they behave the way they do.

[479] Who's surprised when the Unix snigger behind the Sultan's back and deride his passions.

[480] The problem is that with our Church of Progress, when the Unix take over the palace and call their terrible disability reason, then the empire's cooked.

[481] You sound like a person who's been deeply in the trenches against academics for the year.

[482] You sound like a bitter man, John Anthony West.

[483] No, I'm not bitter.

[484] I'm not bitter.

[485] I'm just realistic.

[486] And I know what's involved from being in the trenches.

[487] I know what's involved in fighting this particular battle, which I've been engaged in all of these decades.

[488] Particularly yours, because you've been dealing with archaeologists.

[489] They're trying to refute evidence.

[490] They're all just as bad as each other.

[491] What I bring to the table that my colleague, Graham Hancock, was an excellent writer and some of the others who are very brilliant people.

[492] Rupert Cheldrake is also a very good friend and a very good scientist, but they are not is satirists by nature, and I am.

[493] Now, let's go back to this idea that human beings need to fulfill immortality, or that is our ultimate destiny to fulfill immortality.

[494] What do you mean by that exactly?

[495] Because if there is an afterlife, right, if we do die and then we go to this other place that people are seeing in these near -death experiences, why do we have to do anything?

[496] Why can't we just sit around and wait for our physical meat body to stop working and then transcend?

[497] Well, this is, again, this gets addressed in David's book in the Dead Saints Chronicles because it's our job to transcend.

[498] In other words, if we don't do anything, well, something happens to us.

[499] And again, here's where the near -death experiences get interesting because almost none of them are negative.

[500] What happens to the real evil monster people that are out there in this world?

[501] I mean, does Dick Cheney go to heaven?

[502] Gee, if he dies, I don't want to be there.

[503] That would be hilarious.

[504] You imagine if you get to heaven, you're like, Dick fucking Cheney's up here?

[505] You've got to be kidding me, man. I should have done so much more.

[506] I mean, he's in the special waterboarding division where they have.

[507] Well, maybe he just realizes it.

[508] No, but seriously, this is the purpose.

[509] You'd never know it from listening to these guys.

[510] guys.

[511] This is the purpose of religion.

[512] It's a practice.

[513] It's not something you believe in.

[514] It's something that you do.

[515] And if you don't do it, you don't, unless you go through an NDE and you come back and you start doing it in one way or another.

[516] But it's my own personal conviction is that unless enough people are doing this and getting somewhere with it, it's not as though everyone's going to become enlightened.

[517] They probably aren't.

[518] Again, going deep into the whole theories of reincarnation and return and so on, which is part of Egypt and part of all of the Eastern cultures of reincarnation.

[519] No, chances are you don't make it in one lifetime, but these things, let's say, there's a report card, it's a divine report card, where these things are measured.

[520] I mean, Jesus says insofar as, I mean, the Bible is a scholarly morass, and I I usually try to avoid using it as evidence for things because it's so open to interpretation and it's so convoluted to begin with and who knows what's original to it and what isn't.

[521] But, you know, many are called, fewer chosen.

[522] But those who are called who do their work or who try to do their work reap the benefit of that on an internal level that the quackademics can't measure and don't want to measure and don't believe can be measured.

[523] But somebody with a presence is very, very important.

[524] difference from somebody without any presence at all.

[525] You see that in the world around you as you go.

[526] Yeah, I want to bring you back around, though, because I'm still confused.

[527] What do you mean by, it's our goal to achieve immortality?

[528] Like, what do you mean by that?

[529] Do you mean, like, the physical body no longer dies?

[530] And do you believe that, like, whatever I read, I do not remember what I read, but what I read about the early, the earliest depictions of the pharaohs that was that they lived an extraordinary length of time, similar to like Noah.

[531] Like Noah in the Bible was 600 years old when he built the ark, correct?

[532] Something like that.

[533] Something like that.

[534] And that this is a common thing.

[535] Now, is this because the way we think of time, they had a different interpretation of it?

[536] And what 600 years is to us is not 600 years to them?

[537] Is it like in the Quran when they talk about 72 virgins?

[538] You know, when the expression, 72 virgins is not really 72.

[539] What 72 virgins means, well, it's interesting because it's 72 again.

[540] What it means is a large, it's like a shitload.

[541] Like someone's saying a shitload.

[542] You'll have 72 virgins in heaven like, oh, whoa, what am I going to do with all them?

[543] You know, it's just a large number.

[544] It's the actual, it's not the actual number 72.

[545] It's just sort of a euphemism for a large number.

[546] That's one of the theories of all of those different strange numbers in the Bible.

[547] And I don't know any better than anyone else.

[548] As far as I know, the pharaoh's lived ordinary lifespans.

[549] And, of course, there's no evidence, physical evidence, of the pharaoh's, the Netsiru, when the divine rule is ruled, and the Shem Suhor, when they ruled.

[550] There's none of that.

[551] And we simply don't know the Tibetans have accounts, if you want to believe the Tibetans, and I tend to, I don't see why they should lie, of great llamas who live several hundred years and go when they choose to.

[552] I don't know, as simple as that.

[553] And actually, it's a, you might say it's a, it's no more than a kind of mental, it's an interesting hypothesis like Bigfoot, but who cares?

[554] The only thing that actually counts is the inner work.

[555] And if you're doing it, you're doing it.

[556] And if you're not doing it, and you don't measure yourself either.

[557] As soon as you're looking for results, that's already a way of not getting them.

[558] very, it's a very delicate and yet profound subject.

[559] And if you go to a good Zen master, this stuff is still around.

[560] There are masters.

[561] My own focus, as you probably know, or maybe you don't.

[562] It was the Gurdjeff work because when I came across Gerdjeff, an extraordinary character, he was the first person I'd ever encountered posthumously.

[563] He died in 49, and I found out about his work in the 60s, who was as contemptuous of West civilization as I was, the difference was that he knew how to live in it, and I didn't.

[564] And at a certain point, I figured out, particularly what you're talking about before, that my life in the trenches, good subtitle for something.

[565] I still don't understand what you mean about achieving immortality.

[566] So if you're not talking about physical immortality, you're not talking about someone living a thousand years and plus.

[567] No, absolutely not.

[568] What are you talking about?

[569] You're talking about the ideas that they promote, transatlanticity?

[570] I'm talking about a level of consciousness that transcends death, that the body dies, and that understanding is, that understanding is where you are.

[571] I mean, the drugs do that.

[572] You have these moments that the body, you come back because you get out of the trip.

[573] Let's say it's an eternal trip, and the ancients talk about that all the time, even in their mythology, which.

[574] It was always taken as fanciful, let's say, in the pyramid text.

[575] The script reads that when the Pharaoh dies and the Pharaoh being, let's say, the embodiment of the realized and enlightened soul, when the Pharaoh dies, his bar unites with his car, his spirit unites with his essence, becomes a star, and travels with Ra across the sky in his boat of millions of years.

[576] And in fact, I've often wondered if the Egyptians actually knew what he was being, what they were talking about, and the stars themselves are the realizations of enlightened souls.

[577] It's as good as any other explanation that they're simply balls of gas.

[578] How did that get there?

[579] That automatically at some point accidentally coalesce into galaxies and nebula and universes, and the whole thing goes on meaninglessly.

[580] Well, I don't think anybody thinks it's meaningless, but it is.

[581] kind of fascinating that stars themselves are the only reason why people are alive that's right like we are made of star dust which is just we are indeed incredible to think that the seeds of human life and all carbon life in fact come from a star exploding like wow like everything that you see like the sun the sun is a seed for future life that's bananas exactly yeah well that that that you've answered your own question as it were that that that that understanding and that I wouldn't even call it a philosophy.

[582] It's an understanding by people who understand more than we do, certainly more than I do.

[583] But if you say that's our goal to achieve immortality, it sounds like we're going to get it anyway, no matter what?

[584] Well, no, actually, with the NDs, no, what happens?

[585] No?

[586] Not really, no. They've had their experience.

[587] They've had their X number of minutes of grace and come back and come back transformed and realize that they have to live their lives differently.

[588] They don't even talk about the future or anything like that.

[589] I mean, this is obviously a very big thing that not many that not many people evidently achieve but the effort like everything else.

[590] The effort is the effort and it's on the scorecard.

[591] It's like it's not so different from everybody who picks up a violin isn't going to end up in Carnegie Hall and everyone who picks up a baseball bat isn't going to play center field for the Mets or any other team.

[592] But it's the effort that counts and it's a certain kind of directed and intelligent effort that is painful in its own way but carries its own reward.

[593] And it manifests in a kind of presence And just in our daily lives, even with people who are not consciously doing it, but they're doing it, they have a different level of presence and you notice it when you meet them.

[594] Now, what is it that you think these ancient Egyptians, when you talk about the earliest Egyptians that you believe had achieved this incredible state of mind or consciousness, what is it that you think that they did to achieve that?

[595] like why were they so advanced?

[596] Why were they so beyond what we think of when we think of even the possibility of a human being living 34 plus thousand years ago?

[597] How did they achieve that?

[598] We don't know.

[599] We don't know.

[600] All we can see is the manifestation of what they did when you really understand Egypt, even to the extent that I do, you regard it as miraculous.

[601] You don't see how beings ostensibly like ourselves should even imagine such things, much less be able to do it.

[602] And this is what, I'll pitch my trip.

[603] I often start a lecture off by saying that Egypt is like sex.

[604] That gets everybody's attention.

[605] Why is it like sex?

[606] Because you can read books about it, and that's informational of sorts.

[607] You can look at pictures.

[608] That's a different kind or a different level of information.

[609] but until you've experienced it you do not and cannot understand it and Egypt is like that that magical Egypt series is as close as anyone has ever come to communicating the wonder and the magic that is Egypt as anyone has ever its way head and shoulders above what anybody else has done and that's my genius partner chance is doing in its entirety it's you know simplest ideas and I play a big role in it, but it's really a chance as baby.

[610] But at the visit to Egypt, at the end of a couple of weeks there, I can talk from Nadal Doomsday, which I'm about in the process of doing.

[611] And nothing that I say can come even remotely close to what it's like to be two weeks in Egypt, day after day after day after day in the presence of sacred art of this, of this quality.

[612] And there's nowhere else on the left.

[613] I mean, I'm sure that China and India and all of these places had not pyramids and not that kind of structure.

[614] The nature of Egypt, it's a kind of freak of nature, as it were, all desert except there's a little strip of Nile.

[615] And then the delta that until recently was impenetrable swamp.

[616] So it's practically unattackable.

[617] And the food denial floods and the food jumps out of the ground and under the with a series of genuinely enlightened rulers or at least pretty close to enlightened rulers, ruling them that all lasts for 3 ,500 years.

[618] And how did they live?

[619] You see everything that they did.

[620] In fact, until quite recently, there were no such things is jobs.

[621] There were trades and crafts and skills and arts.

[622] And everybody, I mean, yes, in Europe, the combination of a repressive church and an oppressive nobility kept everybody, you know, immersed in surf them in one way or another.

[623] But what people actually did with their lives was in some sense or another transformational.

[624] All of it.

[625] It takes a lot of smarts to be a good peasant.

[626] All of these things that people used to do as a matter of course.

[627] And in Egypt, you see it carved into the walls and everyone thinks these are the scenes of daily life.

[628] Well, they are scenes of daily life, but they're decodable as transformational activities.

[629] So anything that you do, and boy, you're doing martial arts.

[630] This is a highly developed skill.

[631] You are somebody that you wouldn't be if you didn't have that skill.

[632] If you were doing a podcast and What you did for a living was flipping burgers at McDonald's, you wouldn't be Joe Rogan.

[633] You've been doing your homework without maybe even thinking that it was homework.

[634] There's anything that you're involved in that you go at with a quest for perfection of whatever it is has this transformational value.

[635] And when you recognize that, when you know it, let's see when you know it intellectually, when you can articulate it, it doesn't.

[636] it implements the actually the activity itself.

[637] So it's possible even to do that.

[638] You could be an enlightened burger flipper.

[639] And the Sufis are very good at, you know, the Sufi is in life but not, is in life, sorry, is in life but not of it.

[640] In other words, you can practice waking up, as it were, in the midst of the most mundane thing.

[641] You could be an enlightened garbage collector as long as you knew what you were doing.

[642] It's a totally different thing.

[643] I would imagine I'm not a garbage collector.

[644] It's a totally different thing to collect the garbage consciously than it is to just do it resentfully because that's the only job that you can get all of it.

[645] So when we're talking, it's not as though this is anything actually new.

[646] It's the oldest idea that ever was, and it's something that people have been doing for thousands and thousands of years.

[647] That said, going into the whole thing of precession and the ages, particularly as expressed, Plato, they have a golden age and a silver age, bronze age, and an iron age.

[648] The Hindus do it in rather more sophisticated fashion.

[649] I forget exactly the names they're on the tip of my tongue of those ages.

[650] but if they are, let's say, analogous to our seasons, particularly if you live where I do and not in California where it's all one season, but the seasons, it's very easy.

[651] Is that it?

[652] The yugas, that's right.

[653] If they're compared to the seasons, it's a very different thing to grow roses in June than it is in January.

[654] It's the same effort when you're talking about people, you know, waking up and all of the rest of it, this is a dark age.

[655] I mean, this is the Kaliuga, as far as I'm concerned, to do anything of a spiritual nature now with all of these forces lined up against you, not consciously, of course, but unconsciously, it's an incredibly difficult thing to actually practice a genuine, a genuine spiritual, doctrine.

[656] First of all, you have to get interested in it, and that's only a small chunk of us, and then you have to try to do it.

[657] And you have to have the time, you have to have the focus.

[658] Don't be distracted.

[659] That's right, the focus and the will and all the rest of the things.

[660] And that's, so that's, so growing roses in January takes a lot more effort than to get to the same rose than it takes in June when they're jumping out of the ground.

[661] So my guess is, and it's only a guess it's speculation, that in these higher levels, of these higher periods of, you know, golden, silver, bronze, and so on, it's just much easier.

[662] It is much easier for people to recognize what's demanded of them and to do it than it is in the middle of a, from a spiritual point of view, spiritual but brightly lit, brightly, unilluminated, but brightly lit dark age.

[663] Which is where we are.

[664] If you look at the influence that Egypt had clearly on Greece and clearly on a lot of other civilizations where people literally came to Egypt to learn.

[665] If Egypt wasn't there, what would civilization be like?

[666] I mean, it's such a unique place in that there's really nowhere that you can compare that has the level of sophistication as far as the structures in the ancient world.

[667] It's not even, I mean, it's almost like what they created was undeniable.

[668] Like, I think Giza, the great period of Giza, has 2 ,300 ,000 stones that weigh between 2 and 80 tons.

[669] Yeah.

[670] Like, what?

[671] Like, how, that's insane.

[672] It is.

[673] Like, there's the level of sophistication in creating something like that.

[674] I mean, I've only seen it in photographs, but one of the greatest photographs I've ever seen is from someone with a GoPro standing on the top of it.

[675] So you get this kind of a, you get a sense of how immense it really truly is.

[676] Yeah.

[677] You just think about how incredible that must have been, especially when it's covered with smooth limestone before they cut it all off.

[678] Right.

[679] I mean, what you're seeing is it's an undeniable mastery of physical things to the point where you just, it makes you just, it makes your head spin.

[680] Because we, I mean, people say we can do that today.

[681] Well, okay, maybe.

[682] We kind of understand that it's been done and that we can do pretty immense things.

[683] We have some pretty incredible tractors and machines and everything like that.

[684] But they didn't have those, as far as we know.

[685] They didn't have those.

[686] They might have had something else.

[687] What do you think they had?

[688] I don't know.

[689] Do you have like some hypothesis, some theories in your head about the construction methods?

[690] Some, a bit.

[691] Actually, from Tibet, there's actually a funny little book.

[692] I've done some lectures out at, what is it called?

[693] in Joshua Tree, you know about that?

[694] It's a contact in the desert.

[695] They're mostly interested in the UFO phenomenon and stuff like that.

[696] But the place itself, Joshua Retreat Center, is founded by a very interesting guy who was sort of the Tibetan Krishna Morty.

[697] In other words, it's an interesting little book he wrote, terribly written, but his studies in Tibet.

[698] And at the end of his little book, he's talking about he's studying with the long, He describes certain of the things he has seen them do.

[699] And I see no particular reason to dismiss what he says.

[700] He's talking from experience, and it has the ring of veracity to it.

[701] He talks about going into an underground chamber that has no lights or electricity or anything like that.

[702] That's all lit up.

[703] And you go to Egypt, you have these deep, deep shaft tombs that go down and around and all like this, and people say, well, how did they light the thing up?

[704] Can't have had torches.

[705] It would have used up all of the oxygen, and it would have smoked up the ceilings and all the rest of it.

[706] And people say, well, mirrors.

[707] No, mirrors will do, and you need silvered mirrors for it to go around corners.

[708] There are the gypsy caves in Seville that are four or five rooms and that are lit with mirrors from on top.

[709] But no, somehow, and I used to joke and say, well, you know, they had an inner light.

[710] They're joking.

[711] But maybe that's what it was.

[712] that they produce and he talks about other llamas he's witnessed doing incredible feats that you couldn't do you know that you just couldn't do in your ordinary state probably you as a martial artist have had moments or witnessed people who can do things that are for anybody else impossible yeah but they don't light up tunnels no they don't light up tunnels but they can do physical things that are they're extraordinary They're almost miraculous, but nobody else could do them.

[713] Yeah, but that's a, it's a really important point where you're saying about the construction methods that they used where they did have these long tunnels and these passages and these places, but somehow or another, they managed to navigate these things without leaving any marks or soot from, from torches, which are everywhere else where people used candles or anywhere else like, you know, even the Sistine chapter.

[714] Like the entire ceiling is covered with soot.

[715] You know, they have to clean it.

[716] Yeah.

[717] To prepare it so people could see it again.

[718] But that's really fascinating to think that they had some other method of illumination that we just haven't discovered yet.

[719] We don't know what they did or how they did it.

[720] That's one thing.

[721] But you look at a jillion other things when you're particularly, this is, again, one of the reasons why the Sphinx theory is so contentious to these, so dangerous to these guys.

[722] Because the Sphinx, carving the Sphinx, is one.

[723] thing.

[724] But, okay, limestones are relatively resilient stones.

[725] Sorry, relatively soft stone.

[726] Enough guys with chisels, even if their copper chisels could do that, given enough time and enough genius.

[727] But the temples are the side of it are built of stones half the size of this room slotted into place, like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle.

[728] This is unbelievable.

[729] And again, what you just said is really important.

[730] Copper.

[731] Copper tools.

[732] That's what they think.

[733] Copper tempered with arsenic.

[734] I mean, but those same copper tools are supposedly used for carving the granite.

[735] If you go to Egypt, actually, you should get a huge audience.

[736] Get a Joe Rogan trip together and come on to Egypt.

[737] I'm not going with people listening to this podcast.

[738] Well, I have a test.

[739] Too many freaks.

[740] 90 % of it would be great, that 10%.

[741] Well, keep out the 10%.

[742] Just do a prepare.

[743] I have to have a filter.

[744] Have a conversation with them.

[745] Prepare a filter.

[746] Get them in a room.

[747] Prepare a filter.

[748] How many people would you take at a time?

[749] I have a max of 24.

[750] Interesting.

[751] More than that is unmanageable.

[752] And when you see it, I mean, one thing after the other.

[753] And it's totally safe to go to Egypt right now?

[754] Well, it's as safe as Los Angeles.

[755] I mean, or anywhere else here in Dumb Pakistan.

[756] You know, this is.

[757] Dumb Pakistan.

[758] For Americans, of all people, to be afraid of going somewhere.

[759] We're worried about Islamic terrorism more than anything because we've been...

[760] It's here.

[761] Yes.

[762] It's already here.

[763] And Islamic terrorism is itself a tiny little bit of the terrorism that goes on on a daily basis.

[764] You pick up, you open the internet and there's some nutcase kid somewhere or another shooting down them all.

[765] I mean, the terrorists, the terrorist, the terrorist.

[766] the known terrorists have accounted for it.

[767] It's not even a statistic.

[768] It's an X number of people that they've gone after.

[769] But, you know, here in this crazy violent country, you're never safe anywhere.

[770] Schools aren't safe.

[771] Malls aren't safe.

[772] Right.

[773] Cairo has some nice hotels, too, right?

[774] Oh, great hotels.

[775] Yeah, we stay at a place to actually right across a stone's throw from the pyramids itself.

[776] So you can look at the pyramid out your window?

[777] Yeah, you can.

[778] Wow.

[779] When I look at the Great Pyramid or I look at the structures I've seen online or in your videos or things along those lines, what's shocking to me is how, and this is a weird thing to say, how Egyptian it looks and how Egypt stands alone in this very distinctive way, and that the construction methods, the just the intricacy of the building, and these pyramids.

[780] I mean, people talk about the Mayan pyramids, and I've been to Chechnitin, it's an amazing place, and it's really beautiful and crazy to look at, but it pales in comparison to the structures of Egypt.

[781] Yeah, everything pales in comparison with it.

[782] So what happened?

[783] How did that happen?

[784] Well, as I said, because it was in a kind of a blessed one, it had a philosophy, you know, it had a spiritual philosophy underpinning it that had the, that had the, that had the, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that.

[785] you might say that had the, that united the people in their entirety, it doesn't mean that there weren't, you know, criminals and murderers and stuff like that, but basically the people were united in their faith, enlightened in their belief.

[786] Herodotus, when Egypt was 6th century BC, Herodotus, and Egypt is already in steep decline, says the Egyptians are the happiest, healthiest, and most religious of people, and wasn't the Egyptian Chamber of Commerce, that was telling him to say that.

[787] He was a patriotic Greek.

[788] But it was like that, and it was a combination of the philosophy wedded to in a society that was protected on all four sides and almost impregnable.

[789] It was conquered a couple of times over the course of 3 ,000 years for a relatively brief period of time.

[790] And the food jumped out of the ground.

[791] The Nile flooded and took practically no work, and that made a quite substantial population.

[792] It gave them months of free time every year.

[793] So how did it all go wrong?

[794] Now we're talking about the Kaliugas.

[795] Whatever period Egypt is assigned to is on a downhill slope.

[796] It just plain was on a downhill slope, and you can watch it transform in front of your eyes.

[797] It disintegrates as a coherent religion, rises in another form that we call Christianity, actually, and you can see it happening in front of your nose with Coptic Christianity arising.

[798] All the rest of the stuff gets completely decadent under the Romans.

[799] I mean, Rome, what's his name, Gibbon, Edward Gibbon, and decline and fall of the Roman Empire, talks about the grandeur, the glory of Greece, which is absolute nonsense, or totally near total nonsense, and the grandeur of Rome.

[800] Yeah, they were building Coliseums in order to torture, in order to let gladiators kill each other, and they built good roads, but Rome was a three -ring bureaucracy, actually, and that's the beginning of the end.

[801] In Europe, anyway, it's very traceable.

[802] The Asian countries less so, but they too have high civilizations that decline, and in Europe you see kind of a turnaround in the Renaissance very impossible to actually date and then you have it leading in a sort of you know one very one -sided development in which technology advances by leaps and bounds and everything else is arguably a lot worse than it was a couple hundred years ago from every spiritual psychological point of view, we're a lot worse off than, let's say, the colonial Americans.

[803] Do you really think so?

[804] But the depictions of the colonial Americans by the ancient people, when you, who was it that described the atrocities that Columbus and his crude had done, what preacher, that priest?

[805] Oh, yeah, no, loads of them, sure.

[806] They had done horrific, horrific things.

[807] Oh, those are the conquerors, yeah.

[808] I'm not talking about the settlers who murdered all the Indians.

[809] Right?

[810] Cortez.

[811] And all that stuff.

[812] Montezuma was a piece of shit.

[813] You know, like a slaughter of 80 ,000 slaves after they built Tioto Khan.

[814] How do you say that?

[815] Tiotiwa Khan.

[816] TOTIwakan.

[817] This I don't know about and I don't know again.

[818] But they seem like bad people too, right?

[819] Oh, loads of bad people around.

[820] They just didn't have the Internet.

[821] No, but I'm talking about it.

[822] They certainly didn't have the Internet and lots of other goodies they didn't have.

[823] No, but there was a certain.

[824] let's say, about the populace in general in America, a certain gravitas about them.

[825] There's a certain presence that is of our great -great -grandfathers.

[826] Well, not mine, because they were in Hungary at that time, my great -great -in -law.

[827] But there's a certain sort of like Emerson self -reliance.

[828] I mean, this is a piece of it.

[829] Meanwhile, of course, they grew up in all the slaves in the South, and they're murdering all the Indians and the billionaires, their fashion, are beating up on their Irish immigrant workers, because I have slaves when they can mistreat their workers and build their, you know, and build all of their railroads across the country.

[830] But nevertheless, there's a sense of, let's say Gravitas is almost the only word I can think of, because it's not as though it's intellectually advanced or anything like that.

[831] But there's a certain seeming solidity to 19th century America.

[832] than there is now in this crazy chaos that we live in.

[833] Don't you think that there's always this tendency in human beings that long for nostalgia?

[834] They look back to the past to a moment when things made sense.

[835] It seems to me that there's always that.

[836] And even when people are full of shit about it, like they look back in high school days, man, those are the good old days.

[837] Like, what are you talking about?

[838] You had pimples.

[839] You were out of your fucking mind, insecure.

[840] You're terrified of the future.

[841] That wasn't the good old days.

[842] This is true.

[843] Yeah, Trump, make America great again.

[844] Yeah, bring back slavery.

[845] Find some more We run out of Indians Murder the Muslims Yeah let's go to the Arab nations Or let's go to the Amazon Yeah let's import them and murder them And let's bring back all of that stuff No it's never great But as I said There's just There is a kind of Maybe I'm more optimistic I think there's an awakening going on right now With human beings That's unprecedented And I think it's because of the internet I think because of the fact That we're combining our thoughts and some sort of a strange way in sharing ideas and information in a way that no one's ever been able to do before.

[846] I just, I don't think people have ever been this aware of how crazy things are.

[847] But at the same time, it's the lunacy of last night's presidential debate, and you realize, like, I guess we really haven't, I mean, we might be aware of things, but actual progress is not really being made.

[848] We have the ability to be aware of things, but we are not, we are not at least in sufficient numbers doing anything about it.

[849] We are not doing anything about it and that's the crux of the matter it's one thing this is why intellectual spiritual intellectual mysticism is a total waste of time only that's like intellectual violin playing no you're going to play the violin or it's not music.

[850] Right so thinking about Egypt is not good enough you got to go.

[851] The ability Well, that, yes.

[852] The ability to get information is now absolutely unparalleled.

[853] As far as we know, there's never been anything remotely like this.

[854] At the same time, there's never been that much static.

[855] So, we were talking about earlier, you know, the crystal sniffers and the unicorns and the ancient aliens.

[856] This is all a vast amount of static.

[857] So you have to be able to find a way to.

[858] You have to find your way through the static to the music.

[859] How much does ancient aliens frustrate you?

[860] Not much because I watched a couple of programs.

[861] But if you did, are you throwing things at the TV and screaming?

[862] No, I have low expectations, so it's TV.

[863] It's entertainment and the people who are putting it together.

[864] You know, don't know what they're doing except they see that it works and they want to make money.

[865] Is it possible that the aliens made the pyramids?

[866] When they have all these experts, everything in its, Is it possible that extraterrestrials, I guess it's possible.

[867] That's right.

[868] Well, it is possible.

[869] And Georgia, of course, pushed into a corner says, yeah, all of this and that and so on.

[870] Still, it's aliens.

[871] George Osuclos?

[872] Yeah.

[873] He's beautiful.

[874] I love that guy.

[875] He's a funny guy.

[876] He's a funny guy.

[877] When you think of ancient Egypt and you think of the public's understanding and awareness of it, what do you think the average person is missing?

[878] all of it basically yeah so you think it's like right before our fate in front of our eyes and most people just have no idea the majesty and how intensely unique it is no look our mystery of the Sphinx which at that time one of the most one of the most watched TV documentaries of all time and I really had a massive audience and people who saw it remember it I mean even to this day you saw it oh you did I have a VHS cassette tape of it, sir?

[879] Really?

[880] Wait, I brought it.

[881] Wait, did I bring it?

[882] I forget if I brought you.

[883] I think you can get it online now.

[884] I think it might be on YouTube.

[885] It's on DVD.

[886] I was going to bring you a DVD.

[887] Oh, beautiful.

[888] But I may be forgotten.

[889] I've almost memorized it.

[890] Well, that's good.

[891] Yeah, I've seen quite a few times.

[892] That had a certain impact.

[893] For sure.

[894] But even if 30 million people saw it, 300 million didn't.

[895] Right.

[896] And then going there is really what's up.

[897] And well, that's the, that's the big crunch.

[898] I felt that.

[899] Only X number of people can go there.

[900] I went to the Vatican last summer, this past summer, my first time ever in Italy.

[901] And I had seen it on television before, obviously.

[902] I'd seen videos and stuff.

[903] I've seen photos.

[904] Boy, when you're there and you're like in, what is it, St. Peter's Basilica.

[905] Yeah.

[906] St. Paul's?

[907] No. Paul's?

[908] St. Paul's?

[909] Wait.

[910] One of those guys.

[911] One of those old dead dudes.

[912] Now you're mistook.

[913] It's St. St. Peters.

[914] With the dome where the boat always comes out.

[915] And you look at it and you go, when you're inside of it and you realize the insane magnitude of the construction, the fact that it took hundreds of years to complete and they did it all without saws, without power tools, rather, they did it all without any modern equipment.

[916] And it's unbelievably beautiful, incredible work of art. And it pales in comparison to what they did in Egypt.

[917] Yes, it does.

[918] Which is like, I think I got to go because it's one of those that, well, they also have an obelisk that's a 4 ,000 -year -old obelisk.

[919] They stole it from Egypt, of course.

[920] They stole it from Egypt, yes.

[921] And you just look at that.

[922] And when you're there physically and you look at it in person, you just go, how the fuck did they make this?

[923] Wait a minute now.

[924] Wait, this is, the cathedral is, basilica is very interesting and all that.

[925] But how did they move?

[926] How did they get this?

[927] Actually, it's an interesting book by my now deceased friend Peter Tompkins on the magic of the obelisks where he's talking about, you know, ripping them out of their, out of context and bringing him to Rome and New York.

[928] in England.

[929] And it was interesting because they were brought over in the 19th century.

[930] And it's already, you know, technology is pretty advanced.

[931] I mean, it's huge cranes and all the rest of it.

[932] And it strained the Victorian technology to the utmost to get these things over.

[933] And then you realize that the Egyptians did it with none of those tools at all.

[934] They somehow got them ripped out of the bedrock, brought down the river, taken offloaded from the ram, or boats or whatever, which is a big job, transported across the ground, that's doable, erected in place precisely to the millimeter on the base, that's a big mystery.

[935] Did they have levels?

[936] What?

[937] Did they have levels, like bubble levels?

[938] Not bubble levels, but they had other kinds.

[939] They did it with water somehow or another.

[940] That's, I think, reasonably well established, but I forget exactly how it was on how they leveled, example, the base of the pyramid to a millimeter or something like that.

[941] Yeah.

[942] I mean, everything that you look at in Egypt when you go there, the deeper you look, the more mysterious it becomes, and you marvel it on the devil.

[943] Well, the King's Chamber is one of the most bizarre ones, right?

[944] Well, no bizarre, more bizarre than other things.

[945] I mean, it's a...

[946] But just the enormity of the stones, the way they're set up, that it's just, it's such a complex system, the way they've set them in place is so incredible.

[947] I think you're talking about the ones, the so -called relieving chambers, which are really resonating chambers.

[948] Resonating chambers?

[949] Yeah, that's another thing.

[950] Yeah, they're not, they don't relieve anything, architecturally, completely unnecessary to relieve the stresses from above directly below the king of chamber is the so -called queen's chamber, which doesn't have that at all, has a simple gabled roof, and that It protects it from anything that it needs.

[951] The other chambers, when you're in the king chamber, it's like being, it's an echo chamber.

[952] You can't, it's really a miraculous place.

[953] And, of course, everything is precision cut and all of that.

[954] But it doesn't look that fantastic.

[955] It's the levels above that are the most amazing things, because these are the 70 -ton blocks of stone.

[956] I think that's what you're talking about.

[957] How they got those into place, no one knows.

[958] But they're responsible for the resonance of that.

[959] of that particular chamber, and it's my belief that resonance plays, even not necessarily resonance with a human voice, but when you're in there, the, I forget the acoustic term, feedback or whatever, that you can't, for example, if we're in the King's Chamber, and we go, we rent the pyramid for a couple of hours for a meditation session on my trips, and when you're in there, you can't have a conversation the way we're having it now, You have to talk like this.

[960] Otherwise, the reverberation is such that it scrambles your voice.

[961] Whoa.

[962] This can only be deliberate, and you can hear from the King's Chamber.

[963] If you do set up and you do a chant in the King's Chamber, if you go all the way down the ground gallery, and then there's a place below where you have to make a turn, and then there's a descending passage that goes as deep below the ground And as the Pyramid, as the King's Chamber is above the ground, it's about 12 -story shaft that you go down.

[964] Below the ground, 12 stories.

[965] And 12 stories down below, and then 12 stories built up above.

[966] Oh, right.

[967] Very good.

[968] And if you set up a chance in the Kings Chamber, you can hear it down in the pit below.

[969] 12 stories below.

[970] Yeah, but you shouldn't be able.

[971] to hear it at all because the sound has to go down and then turn around and then go down the other shaft.

[972] By the way, I should say, because people are always asking me now, it's a function of age, how long are you going to keep doing these trips?

[973] Yeah.

[974] And I say, well, you know, unless and until I can't get up and down the King's Chamber, up to the King's Chamber, I'll be doing trips unless some media thing takes over.

[975] But they say in Texas, if you can do it, it ain't bragging.

[976] And that's good line.

[977] So I was in Egypt recently on my, on a research Recky trip, but that may lead to something and I may not, we'll say.

[978] Recky trip?

[979] Reconnocence.

[980] Oh.

[981] The film lingo for reconnaissance.

[982] I thought it was like a meditation.

[983] No, Reckyari.

[984] No, not Reiki.

[985] And actually, so normally you have to go with the group up to the King's Chamber, but I don't bother to go.

[986] We open, it gets opened up and you can go down into the pits.

[987] So I said, ah, it's my 84th birthday.

[988] I happened to be in Egypt.

[989] So I said, okay, I'll test it.

[990] So I went up to the King of Chamber and down the shaft.

[991] So that's 12 stories up and 12 stories down.

[992] And I went down to the pit.

[993] It was 12 stories down and 12 stories up.

[994] And I figured that was pretty good for it.

[995] That's pretty good.

[996] So I'll be doing the trips for a while.

[997] Nice.

[998] Well, that's good.

[999] I mean, I don't think anybody's capable of doing the same kind of experience that you would provide, like your knowledge of Egypt is pretty rare in this day and age.

[1000] Well, I was hoping when I had this idea to do my own trips, I thought, oh, finally I'll make a living out of this stuff.

[1001] But what happened was that no sooner had my guidebook come out.

[1002] You probably don't have a copy of that.

[1003] And it's out of print now, but I have copies.

[1004] That back in 85, the first of the terrorist things happened, and these guys hijacked the crew.

[1005] ship off Alexandria and pushed this poor old guy in a wheelchair over the side of the crowd of the cruise ship and he drowned and that my book had just come out and instantly the tourist trade was killed talking about people being afraid for a whole year it took for it to develop and it did develop again but the book had disappeared from the shelves by that time anyway still available of course but wait I lost my thread with the trips.

[1006] What did you say?

[1007] With Egypt.

[1008] Someone doing them like someone.

[1009] Oh, someone doing it.

[1010] My plan was I wanted to train a number of people up who's familiar, you know, steeped and symbolist Egypt to spread the word, as it were.

[1011] And while I was out, I'd get a commission from the trips to, you know, provide some useful wolf repellent.

[1012] So you can have some nice passive income.

[1013] Some paths.

[1014] But it never happened because, you know, one thing led to another and it was hard enough getting my own trips filled up.

[1015] But, yeah, unfortunately, as it now stands, I'm the only one, only a handful of people, no symbolist Egypt well enough to communicate it.

[1016] As it just so happens, I'm the only one who does trips.

[1017] So I really am the only wheel in town in that regard.

[1018] Well, you brought us a bunch of slides.

[1019] So why don't you tell me what do you want to show us and what did you bring here?

[1020] I brought, that's my whole long lecture.

[1021] You want to see, you want to go to the geology of the Sphinx, the water weathering.

[1022] And then other slides related to that, the gigantic blocks, paving blocks, around, particularly around the second pyramid and second pyramid and, yeah, mostly around the second pyramid.

[1023] pyramid, and then, I mean, all of that stuff relates to the scientific, the geological evidence.

[1024] Then I wanted to get into, I didn't want to touch the symbolist, the quest for immortality, because that's a whole big subsequent thing.

[1025] I did want to get into, and we didn't even talk about it.

[1026] Yeah, the map of dumb Pakistan and what I call the, And I've got a great graphic for it, actually.

[1027] Everybody you know, certainly, and everybody, probably most of your audience will know about the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, right?

[1028] From Revelation, who are actually an interesting study in its own right.

[1029] The Four Horsemen are war, famine, pestilence, and death.

[1030] And what's interesting about the Four Horsemen is that only war is really under human control, at least in theory.

[1031] Famine, pestilence, plague, as it were, and death comes to us all.

[1032] It's a peculiar choice, actually, for the four horsemen.

[1033] But I invented the five cowboys of Apocalypse 2 .0.

[1034] And they are capitalism, patriotism, democracy, technology, and entertainment.

[1035] All the stuff I love.

[1036] well that's the end well no it's just another way of looking at things actually it's really human folly all of it right well yeah call it democracy call it capitalism call it technology it's it's none of those things it's human folly it's the human the error in human use well yeah well sort of okay capitalism is really based upon the philosophy everything for me nothing for You see, everybody's fighting for market chair.

[1037] Why can't you live a guy stay alive?

[1038] It's competition, but if it wasn't for that competition, we wouldn't be here.

[1039] We wouldn't have planes that shoot across the sky, wouldn't have laptops that work so well, we wouldn't have Internet that's so fast.

[1040] I don't know, we might, but we might not.

[1041] It's very possible that we wouldn't.

[1042] And there's a downside to all of those things.

[1043] But there's an upside, too.

[1044] I'm a glass -half -full kind of guy, John Anthony West.

[1045] That's the technology side of it.

[1046] I haven't got to that yet.

[1047] Capitalism is based upon everything for me, nothing for you.

[1048] Patriotism is based upon everything for us, nothing for them.

[1049] The bumper sticker says, God bless America.

[1050] The hidden sticky side says and fuck everyone else.

[1051] That's patriotism.

[1052] Democracy is that the idea is that the dishwashers elect the chef and tell them what to do.

[1053] I don't know about you.

[1054] I don't eat in the restaurant with the dishwashers elect the chef and tell them what to do.

[1055] It's flawed, it's hopelessly flawed to begin with, which Plato recognized perfectly.

[1056] Churchill said, democracy looks like the worst of all possible political systems until you look at all the others.

[1057] At the same time, this is fun, and it's not necessarily untrue.

[1058] The same time, he also said contradicting himself, the best argument against democracy is 10 minutes of conversation with an average voter.

[1059] I know about you.

[1060] I don't want my leaders elected numerically by the average voter.

[1061] Actually, if they had a test for, if there were, which is next to impossible to even conceive, if voting were a privilege, I mean, when the country started off, it was a privilege, but you had to be a white male who owned property, which is not as elitist as it actually looks now, because in those days they were the only ones who were substantial enough and probably had some sort of an education it doesn't mean necessarily that they understand the principles and they you might say the solid citizens who at least could read I mean nobody else could read except people with an education of some sort so that was the rule and it wasn't a terribly good rule but it might have been in its own way anyway that's as a principle that it shouldn't be a privilege to vote just as like anybody could produce...

[1062] Why shouldn't anybody be able to do brain surgery, you know, or design engineer, design a bridge.

[1063] I'm as good as the next guy.

[1064] I've never designed a bridge.

[1065] I don't have any training, but it's a democracy.

[1066] Why can't I do that?

[1067] Or play center field for the Mets, you know, just because I know.

[1068] And that's what the president is, really essentially anybody you just have to say I want to do it, step up this is my plan and get people to vote for you well that it's it's a contest anyway put it this way in its current form and in fact as far back as you could go in America it's been a disaster democracy technology is certainly a mixed bag the problem two big problems with technology the main one and we touched upon this earlier is that technology deprives the average the normal human being of making a living out of his own productivity.

[1069] Out of his own creativity.

[1070] It deprives them?

[1071] Technology does?

[1072] How so?

[1073] The only people who are creative in technology are the people who are creating the technology.

[1074] Everybody else serves the technology.

[1075] They work in the offices that serve the technology.

[1076] They're basically slaves to the technology.

[1077] But what about the people that use the technology to separate themselves from slave jobs?

[1078] Like there's a lot of people that have started their own businesses online because they could use technology now.

[1079] So you craft, people who create things.

[1080] That's the upside, but it's a relatively small part compared to the number of people.

[1081] They talk about all these good jobs going out to China.

[1082] Those are shitty jobs.

[1083] Nobody in their right mind would want to work in a factory.

[1084] Have you ever worked in a factory?

[1085] No. Or been in a factory, really?

[1086] Yes, I've been in factories.

[1087] Because I went to schools as seldom as I possibly could in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, which is where the Bethlehem Steel Center was, and we used to go there on field drives.

[1088] Holy mackerel, this was like working in Dante's Inferno, these blackened figures jumping up and down in the blinding heat of the Bessemer converters and the other kinds of jobs of robots stuffing things into boxes or flipping burgers.

[1089] The vast majority of people, yeah, they get the, you know, they have the television sets, internet and stuff like that.

[1090] But the vast majority of people cannot, do not and cannot make their living out of their own creativity.

[1091] And before, however terrible things may have been in medieval times, people did creative transformational things.

[1092] Because that's the downside of technology and the other bad side of technology.

[1093] You talked about the good side.

[1094] The bad side is that it's not immoral necessarily, but it's amoral.

[1095] So as long as they can do it, they do it.

[1096] What do you mean?

[1097] Well, hydrogen bomb, why not?

[1098] We don't invent it.

[1099] Somebody else will do it.

[1100] Nerve gas, well, that's a very good way of getting a good way with, you know, around stuff.

[1101] Striped toothpaste, well, it's a waste of time and effort and stuff like that, but maybe we can sell more striped toothpaste than unstriped toothpaste.

[1102] And the rest of it is, in other words, a percentage of it, yeah, the medicine is very good until it gets into the hands of big pharma, and then make sure that the most, that people are ripped off to get at the medicine that they need and the medicine that they have available is not usually a cure.

[1103] It's a way of keeping people alive and buying more medicine.

[1104] Anything that's actually a cure that comes from alternative sources is fought to the death by the big pharmaceutical companies.

[1105] So technology is certainly a mixed bag.

[1106] And entertainment, depending on how you define it, is what you do to kill time before it kills you.

[1107] For the most part, it's an absolute waste of time.

[1108] It takes your mind off the boringness of your own life.

[1109] Art is different.

[1110] Art is not entertainment.

[1111] There's a broad line in between that, at least in theory, could or should be filled by comedy, which is not exactly entertainment, but it's not exactly sacred science either but it plays at least theoretically it can play a kind of a transformational role you can real high -level comedy is enlightening it points out and comedy is based upon you can't laugh you can only comedy is based upon what's wrong You can't laugh at what's right.

[1112] You can't make fun of good sex or good food.

[1113] You can make fun of attitudes toward good sex or good food.

[1114] But you can't laugh at what's right, not easily.

[1115] But you can laugh, but you can and do laugh at what's wrong.

[1116] And so, let's say, at some inner level by laughing at what's wrong, inadvertently, it's a recognition.

[1117] We have within us, let's say, a moral, we have a moral, compass the wrong word.

[1118] We have a moral thermometer or something of the sort that recognizes, by recognizing what's wrong, we're assenting, giving assent to what's right.

[1119] It is to cultural, of course, what's funny to an Eskimo is not necessarily funny to an African.

[1120] What's funny to an African is not necessarily funny to a Chinese.

[1121] But comedy has this potential to play, at least in my view, a transformational role.

[1122] mostly it doesn't and entertainment at the American level turn on your television set is that entertainment it's certainly not art it's it's it's a deadening it's anodyne it's it's it's sort of most of it is is a kind of is a kind of um what's it what's it you take to go sedative it's it's basically a kind of sedative or the opposite or uh it's like a Benny it's a stimulant it's a it's a stimulant actually with you know with the Terminator and all the horrible vicious things that they do so that's yeah let's get to the slides right it's because we're already two hours in here oh yeah let's um let's take a look at some of the slides of uh what do you want to start let's start with the geology start right at the beginning and i'll just whip your past okay now why are they this is a really confusing thing to me why do they continue to rebuild that thing because when and they're rebuilding it, and they're rebuilding the feet and the paws of the sphinx.

[1123] And I understand there's considerable erosion that they have to mitigate, but it's not the sphinx anymore.

[1124] Well, it's bringing the sphinx back to supposedly what it was originally.

[1125] The problem is, really is an engineering problem.

[1126] They don't know themselves, and at least a few of them acknowledge it.

[1127] Shock thinks this.

[1128] I mean, he's not in charge of doing the repairs, that it may be doing more damage because it's still weathering on the inside and by covering it over with these usually very badly badly done stuff that they're actually doing more damage than that.

[1129] Well, the Department of Antiquities is the one.

[1130] Zahui?

[1131] He's no longer, he's no longer in charge.

[1132] Is he in the pokey?

[1133] Did they lock him up?

[1134] No, no, no, he's in trouble for a while, right?

[1135] Well, he was in trouble, but they couldn't pin it on him.

[1136] Oh, the slippery bastard.

[1137] They would have if they could.

[1138] No, listen, Zahi, on a personal level, that's another long story when we've already gone on for two hours.

[1139] But on a personal level, I can get on with Zahi.

[1140] And then he's now back in, not formally in a position of power.

[1141] He's not headed the department.

[1142] And he's got his problems.

[1143] Do you see the debate that he had with Graham Hancock, walked out right away?

[1144] Yeah, he was a disaster.

[1145] And all of his friends, even, I mean, the guy who runs my trip, Mohammed Nasme, I called a surgeon because he really knows how to operate, his wonderful guy.

[1146] and he's a good personal friend of Zahi's and he said you know Zahi this is a disaster but he out you know he lived through it and he's back back on the scene as it were anyway we're looking at the Sphinx enclosure here and this massive massive structure with this all this erosion around it right all his erosion to it and then the sides on YouTube yeah when when you'll see as we go through a few sides you get a few slides you'll see the sense of that erosion.

[1147] This is just a wonderful picture of it taken by a good friend of mine.

[1148] Keep going.

[1149] Have they thought about...

[1150] This is why this is why the Sphinx could not have been weathered by sand.

[1151] What we're looking at right now for the people that are just listening is it buried in sand, which it has been many, many times when Napoleon found that it was buried in sand, correct?

[1152] Completely buried in sand and probably for a few thousand years.

[1153] This is taken, photograph taken about 2000, when it had already been excavated and filled up with sand again.

[1154] which happens pretty quickly.

[1155] So basically you can say, give a take a few hundred years, that since its supposed construction around 2 ,500 BC, it's been buried in sand about 3 ,000 of those 4 ,500 years.

[1156] That's insane.

[1157] So that's the proof.

[1158] Yeah, there's the evidence.

[1159] And still the geologists go on ranting about sand.

[1160] When you were talking about this friend of yours, who's going through, you say, okay, how did it weather by sand?

[1161] Wind and sand, right?

[1162] How did it get exposed?

[1163] The wind can't affect it that way.

[1164] Wasn't that the original text of whoever, who do they attribute to the construction of the pyramid?

[1165] Tutmosis?

[1166] No, no, no, no. Pharaoh, no. Pharaoh, the successor of Kufu, who supposedly built the great pyramid, which is not true in its entirety.

[1167] The pyramids, this is another complex argument, which, as you see, everything's complex.

[1168] They're almost certainly built in stages, and the earliest stages probably date from whenever the sphinx was.

[1169] originally built.

[1170] And the argument for Kaffra building, it wasn't in a text that said that he had a dream that if he uncovered the Sphinx, that he would become Pharaoh?

[1171] No, that's Tutt Moses a thousand years later.

[1172] They attributed to Koffra because the causeway that leads from the Sphinx, you go to behind it, you see the beginning, not really, you see it's just back in the Sphinx.

[1173] The causeway, the causeway leads up to right to the middle of the pyramid, of the Koffrop Pyramid, which he almost certainly did build or anyway superimposed upon something that was there before because you can prove that.

[1174] Okay, keep going.

[1175] Did they used to think it was Tutmosis?

[1176] No, no, no, no. They always thought it was, they always thought it was Koffrom because, well, again.

[1177] What is this right here?

[1178] That's not the Rosetta Stone, is it?

[1179] No, no, no, no. That's the stella of Tudmosis that talks about how in a dream he ate, it's covered with sand.

[1180] Oh, that's it right there, then.

[1181] Well, that's in 1450 BC.

[1182] So that means in 1450 BC was covered in sand.

[1183] Exactly.

[1184] And with a certain number of other evidences of that sort, you can put together the timeline that tells you.

[1185] I swear I've read online, someone attributing Tutt Moses to the creation of it, but there's a lot of erroneous.

[1186] There's a lot of junk.

[1187] Now, the face of the Sphinx, this is a really controversial thing, right?

[1188] Because the face of the Sphinx is clearly newer than the body.

[1189] It's less eroded.

[1190] And it's also a very African -looking face.

[1191] do they think that, which obviously it's the continent of Africa, but do they think there's, the Nubians had conquered Egypt at one point in time, right?

[1192] And wasn't the speculation that one of the Nubian pharaohs had created this?

[1193] Well, some said that.

[1194] 19th century travelers, lots of them noted that this was really an African face.

[1195] But what they meant is that it's a sub -Sahara African face.

[1196] It's a real African -African face.

[1197] The Nubians are very black, but have more or less.

[1198] finer features.

[1199] They don't have the jaw like that.

[1200] I mean, that looks more like an NBA basketball player than an Egyptian.

[1201] Anyway, the headdress is all redone.

[1202] The picture before, covered with sand.

[1203] You see how weathered the headdress was.

[1204] They reeded the bottom of it.

[1205] They re -did the headdress in its entirety.

[1206] The face itself is a much harder outcrop of limestone.

[1207] So it hasn't weathered to the same extent that the body of the sphinx has weathered.

[1208] So you think it's of the same era?

[1209] We don't know.

[1210] Actually, because you see, the African face is a real problem, actually.

[1211] Of course, the Egyptians are as prejudiced as everyone else, and they don't want to actually believe that the Sphinx itself could be a sub -Saharan African, maybe from an earlier period when the Africans were pharaohs.

[1212] We don't know.

[1213] Wasn't there some speculation that initially it was an actual lion's face and that the lion's face was cut down to create this pharaoh's face?

[1214] That's us speculating that way because the head is way too small for the body.

[1215] And it certainly, and we had the NYPD.

[1216] We did this big study.

[1217] I think that's the next slide coming up.

[1218] Yeah, there it is.

[1219] You see with Frank Domingo, who was the NYPD.

[1220] Sketch artist.

[1221] Well, he was a forensic, a senior forensic artist for the NYPD.

[1222] It's a guy who knows about physiognomy.

[1223] Suziani.

[1224] So we did a study of the comparative faces of the Sphinx and the of the Sphinx, that's the one on the right, and Faro Koffra and his conclusion was that no artist, no competent artist or sculptor could possibly have used the same model for the face of the Sphinx as for the Koffra face.

[1225] Right.

[1226] And there's a few Koffra faces floating around.

[1227] So the my criminal partner, when when Frank gave us that study, his comparative study, Boris Said said, for the academic establishment, this is bad news and worse news.

[1228] The bad news is that there was an Atlantis, and the worst news is they were black.

[1229] My black friends like that phrase.

[1230] But anyway, so in the 90s, I did an op -ed piece for the New York Times, and I carefully left that part out.

[1231] I just compared you as the Frank Domingo's drawing versus the Sphinx.

[1232] But a couple of weeks later, a letter was published from an orthodontist who also knows about faces saying, hey, hey, that Sphinx is actually a sub -Saharan African face.

[1233] I didn't say it.

[1234] He said it, so I'm not in trouble for that.

[1235] But anyway, until something better is discovered, it's a sub -Saharan African face, We don't know when it was recarved and we don't know when.

[1236] So it's entirely possible that it used to be a lion and then some pharaoh came along and said, I don't like that lion.

[1237] Well, no, it may have been that the head was so weathered that over time that they said, well, we can't repair the face the way that we can repair the body and so they recarved the head.

[1238] And of course, the face was most likely still above ground while the rest of the body was covered.

[1239] So it was subject to more erosion?

[1240] Well, it's also a harder limestone.

[1241] So probably, again, this is speculation, but we reckon that an outcrop of stone was sticking above the sand level to begin with.

[1242] And somebody at some point, a trillion years ago, decided to carve the sphinx by cutting around it, cutting the bedrock away from around it, leaving the outcrop above and carving that into whatever it may have been originally.

[1243] It could have been an African queen.

[1244] How much information did they lose when the library of Alexandria was burned?

[1245] Well, since it was burned, we don't know.

[1246] It's amazing, though, really?

[1247] Did you imagine?

[1248] A million scrolls.

[1249] It was dragged that they had a million scrolls.

[1250] Who knows what was on them?

[1251] One of my dreams, not dreams, but That sort of vision, whatever, but the hope is that one of these days somebody turns over a spade in, you know, in Damascus or in somewhere up there and discovers a cache of, you know, of hidden scrolls from the library of Alexandria.

[1252] It's quite probable that the so -called maps of the Sea Kings, you know, the Piri -Rees map and some of those other things, are copies of maps that were originally part of the library.

[1253] And I have a whole film script, actually.

[1254] What's the latest on this supposed chamber that they found in the paws of the sphinx?

[1255] There's been some radio.

[1256] Oh, us.

[1257] It's the seismograph.

[1258] It says that there's a chamber there.

[1259] And the seismicraft doesn't channel.

[1260] and the geophysist who did it, said, yeah, there's a void down there.

[1261] That means that it could be a natural void that's certain kinds of limestone that riddled with those kinds of voids, but this isn't that kind of limestone.

[1262] So more stuff, when the opposition finally caves in and says, they never say they're wrong, but, and says, well, this deserves further study.

[1263] then maybe we get permission to go and really look back into that, stick a probe down to something like that and see if there is indeed something in there.

[1264] We don't know.

[1265] God, that seems like an important thing.

[1266] Could be.

[1267] I mean, just to find that there's something there.

[1268] Just to find there something there is important, yes.

[1269] Now, has there ever been any discussion whatsoever about, I mean, I know they've done all this repair work on the Sphinx.

[1270] Has there ever been any discussion of taking the limestone that was pulled from the Great Pyramid and somehow another putting new limestone back up there to recreate its original look?

[1271] No, nobody has ever talked about that as far as I know.

[1272] But it would be a nightmarish job because all of those core blocks are all crumbly and uneven and damaged and stuff like that.

[1273] And besides, they have other fish to fry, you know, they've got technology.

[1274] to worry about.

[1275] I know, but I mean, just if people could see what it used to look like, I mean, whoever did that when they've raided it to build Cairo, like, what?

[1276] That's what they say.

[1277] I'm not even a hundred.

[1278] I've never seen a study that actually has documented where those stones are.

[1279] And they're big massive stones and they slope like this.

[1280] You can't build a bridge out of those stones.

[1281] You'd have to cut the edge off which is almost as much work as quarrying the stuff out of the raw quarry rock, which is closer to Cairo.

[1282] So what do you think happened?

[1283] I don't know.

[1284] I don't know.

[1285] But I'm not 100 % happy with that explanation.

[1286] I don't have a better one, but that one is subject to, let's say, is subject to question.

[1287] Now, has it been firmly established that it was covered in smooth limestone?

[1288] Pretty much, yeah.

[1289] Pretty much?

[1290] Yes.

[1291] Actually, the Roman, Greco -Roman writers who were there at the time studying talked about it being absolutely perfect and unpenetrable.

[1292] In fact, one of them said there's a rumor that there was a hinged block at the entrance that if you pushed it or did something with it, it opened.

[1293] And I've often thought that I wonder if that's the origin of open sesame in the 1001 nights because there are a lot, certain of those thousand one night's tales that have their origins in ancient Egypt.

[1294] Wow.

[1295] That would be a good study.

[1296] Go ahead.

[1297] Keep going.

[1298] What else we got here?

[1299] That's the head of Kaffra with the falcon.

[1300] Wow, very different face.

[1301] They're totally different face.

[1302] I mean, you can't miss that.

[1303] And there's a more long story, but we're already going over here, and I won't go into it.

[1304] Okay, here's this water weathering that when Schott took one look at it, said, wow, this looked like they're hundreds of thousands of years old.

[1305] Just keep going.

[1306] Hundreds of thousands of years.

[1307] That was his, you know, when a geologist, he wasn't thinking what he was saying.

[1308] He was just saying it, but it was massive water erosion.

[1309] It was massive water erosion by a guy whose expertise is in that field.

[1310] So if he thought about it, you know, he can't document that until we get a bunch of guys there really looking seriously into it.

[1311] How old do you think it is if you had a guess?

[1312] I don't know.

[1313] Because of the way it's oriented, one of the reasons they come out with the date, Hancock and Beauval originally came out with his 11.

[1314] thousand five hundred because as a processional marker because that would be the time as a lion that would be the time when it last saw its own image in the sky leo the lion the constellation of leo that would be the last time i think not that there's too much it's going on it's in too chaotic a stage to to have been done then i think it may be the age before that which would be about 36 000 bc which would correspond with the egyptian and texts themselves.

[1315] However, that said, it wouldn't surprise me if we're old or still.

[1316] Wow.

[1317] Until we get a bunch of geologists and experts in their various fields to see if they can put a fix on it, and they might not be able to.

[1318] But that's one of the things we look forward to doing if we get permission to go back in there, get the funding, important, and the permissions to go there and actually get this done.

[1319] And this is where actually we were just in Egypt when I climbed up and down the pyramid myself at 84.

[1320] And we got a complicated story, but we did get to meet the new minister of antiquities and who was very cordial and listed the things that we had to do in order to get formal position.

[1321] But in any way, we established a personal contact with him, which is very useful.

[1322] And then we also met up with the director of this new gigantic museum that they're building and that is going to open in a year or two ago.

[1323] And he was very open to anything even controversial that they could apply science to.

[1324] So if some of the other pieces of this trip didn't go as planned, we couldn't get to see some of the things we wanted to see for complicated reasons.

[1325] But anyway, we established the potential foothold for getting the next stage of the work accomplished.

[1326] That's very, very promising.

[1327] That's promising.

[1328] Now, correct me if I'm wrong, would they think that people in this form, the form of you and I, have only been around for somewhere around 300 to 500 ,000 years.

[1329] Is that right?

[1330] Well, that's the current thinking.

[1331] Yeah, well, and it changes all the time.

[1332] Yeah, it changes.

[1333] So let's bring it back.

[1334] Let's go crazy and say it's a million years old.

[1335] When you're looking at something like this and you're talking about 36 ,000 years, boy, that's just crazy to think that there was this period where people were just throwing shit at each other and, you know, and throwing pointed sticks at animals and kind of barely getting by.

[1336] And then something like this just sort of erupts out of the imagination and the ingenuity of people that lived tens of thousands of years ago.

[1337] Yeah, but it shouldn't be that difficult because as you keep going through the slides, you'll get to the Paleolithic caves.

[1338] Now, that's more evidence of water erosion, correct?

[1339] No. No, no, I'm talking about the paint and cute.

[1340] But right there with this image, right there, same image.

[1341] No, well, that's the same water weathering.

[1342] It's just another view of it.

[1343] That's the back end of the Sphinx.

[1344] Okay.

[1345] And that's interesting, anyway, part of Mark Lainer's theory is that, you know, is that it flaked away, you know, over time, and that's what's responsible for these, the curved profile.

[1346] But this is a tomb that's been cut in.

[1347] it's old it's not old kingdom it's it's what's called late kingdom but it dates from about six or seven hundred bc and those are the mason's marks still as original for 20s you know 2 ,000000 years later still perfectly visible no theory theory exploded well that definitely puts a damper on the wind and sand erosion theory that too absolutely yeah but you're Especially considering that they still think the sphinx is 26 or 2 ,500 BC.

[1348] Yeah, yeah, well, this is, this is, remember, they said the second strongest thing in the world.

[1349] Yes.

[1350] And this is not, you don't trifle with them.

[1351] And if you think that just because the evidence is good enough, they're going to accept it.

[1352] No, they're only going to accept it when you beat them into the ground sufficiently so that they can't get up.

[1353] Well, as long as their reputation is staked on their, you know, their, original assumptions being correct, there's going to be a problem.

[1354] Oh, and so there is.

[1355] Yeah.

[1356] So what are we looking at here?

[1357] This is the corner of Koffro Pyramid, and you see the two very different styles of architecture.

[1358] The huge blocks below, very finely dressed, and the much cruder core masonry up above, this is evidence of two separate stages of construction.

[1359] It's like if you bought a Victorian house with an IKEA kitchen in it, you wouldn't say, oh, well, they just decided to build this Victorian house and put this.

[1360] cool new kitchen in.

[1361] No. Right.

[1362] You know in two seconds that it's two different stages of construction.

[1363] Anyway, we got a lot of stuff to cover here.

[1364] Right.

[1365] They're here.

[1366] We'll stop.

[1367] You see where these people are walking?

[1368] Do you see that this one block?

[1369] You see those people?

[1370] Yes.

[1371] There and then all the way down where the third guy down there is walking.

[1372] There's another.

[1373] It goes down to there and then it goes.

[1374] It's like a 20 foot plus block.

[1375] It's about 20 by 30 foot block.

[1376] Wow.

[1377] And then next slide.

[1378] That's what it is.

[1379] Ed, Joe.

[1380] Those are the blocks.

[1381] People walking on top, that's what we were just looking at.

[1382] So those blocks are about between six and eight feet thick.

[1383] Go back to the bottom one?

[1384] So not only they're six and eight feet thick, but they're stacked on top of each other.

[1385] That's right.

[1386] To build it up to that level.

[1387] Wow.

[1388] Yeah.

[1389] Six and eight feet thick and then stacked on top of another one that's of a similar right.

[1390] And if you go poking back into it, it's all, you see the joints between them are pretty rough.

[1391] But in fact, if you poke back in there, you see that they fit together that you can't barely get a credit card between them.

[1392] That's just, that's, you know, lots and lots of weather over lots and lots of years.

[1393] Then those are the blocks of the Great Pyramid, which are much smaller and almost presuppose a later state of construction.

[1394] Yeah, those are the same.

[1395] Okay, that's the Red Pyramid.

[1396] You know, we're going to take up too much time here.

[1397] Keep going.

[1398] Okay, that's the interior of the Red Pyramid, and you see, that's a megalithic construction.

[1399] It's always called the Plundered Tomb Chamber.

[1400] A, it's not a tomb chamber because nobody was ever found in it.

[1401] It doesn't look like any Egyptian tomb chamber.

[1402] And B, it's not plundered.

[1403] It's simply ruinous.

[1404] This is an earlier construction that for whatever reason, the builder of the Red Pyramid decided to incorporate that into his pyramid.

[1405] It's not like an IKEA kitchen incorporated into the Victorian house.

[1406] It's something that was there before and that they built the pyramid.

[1407] on top of.

[1408] So there's some older construction and then a better more, stay up there, Jamie, stop moving?

[1409] So what you're seeing, the lower, cruder level is an older method of construction, then above it you see really smooth.

[1410] Yeah, yeah, much, oh, well, and also, you see, really smooth because it's in perfect shape.

[1411] There's nothing, it's the inside of the pyramid.

[1412] Nothing could, it's like it was done yesterday, whereas the bottom has been out in the weather for a long time.

[1413] That's the secret.

[1414] It's weathered by, it's weathered, not like the, not like the exterior of the Sphinx, but its style is typically, is typically megalithic.

[1415] It looks like certain of the constructions in Ireland and Scotland and Wales, the megalithic constructions there.

[1416] So you mean like a cruder cutting?

[1417] Much, much cruder and, but dating from an earlier period, 6 ,000, B .C., something is that mentioned.

[1418] So much like when they go and do excavations in Mexico City, they're all.

[1419] always built they're building like buildings down there and they have to stop construction because they find like some ancient pyramid or something along those lines exactly so what this is is they had an old structure and they built the new stuff on top of it the new stuff is what we think of as the original structure but there's evidence the point that there was some ancient stuff below that exactly okay interesting okay and what do we got here more that's more just the shots of shock and myself in there okay this is another piece of the puzzle this is part of abydos Behind the temple itself, temple is off to the right.

[1420] And this is, again, a good friend of mine has just done an elaborate book on this.

[1421] And even though he's not an Egyptologist, it's being academically published, but it's going into all sorts of things having to do with this strange structure, which is one of the most resonating, powerful places in all of Egypt.

[1422] We are convinced, shock and myself, that those central pillars date from a much earlier period and then the rest of the temple is Setti I the 1st, which is about 1 ,300 B .C. But this is too elaborate to get into here, and I'm running out of words.

[1423] Why do you think that it's older?

[1424] One, the construction method, style of construction, mostly style of construction, and the way that it's cited, sort of buried into the ground, which is almost unheard of for an Egyptian temple to be constructed into, as a subterranean structure.

[1425] It would have had a roof over it and so on at some point or another.

[1426] But anyway, it's a complicated issue.

[1427] There it is.

[1428] It fills up with water sometimes, and now they won't let you in down there.

[1429] But anyway.

[1430] And this is, I will go through this group.

[1431] This is us, actually, at Yonaguni.

[1432] Oh, in Japan.

[1433] Shonk and myself in Hancock.

[1434] And the Graham still, now he's getting a bit, more cautious about it.

[1435] But we went there, financed by this mega -millionaire Japanese industrialist.

[1436] Really, I mean, he wanted to prove the existence of Lemuria.

[1437] And as you see, I mean, all of those geometric looks there.

[1438] And Chalk and I came to the conclusion after a week of diving there that, seductive as it looks, it really is a natural, entirely a natural way, and we could even see we don't have the pictures of it because it was the last day we were there.

[1439] You could even see the way that it was formed by the nature of the rock and the action of the waves and the terrific tides that prevail there.

[1440] So this is what this that's me, you can tell.

[1441] So you actually did the diving down there.

[1442] How old were you when you did that?

[1443] Oh, when was that?

[1444] 10, 12 years ago.

[1445] That's a pretty gangster.

[1446] In my 70s, what?

[1447] It's pretty gangster.

[1448] Yeah, well.

[1449] Get down the bottom of the ocean when you're 70, checking out rocks.

[1450] Well, and I don't like being underwater either, but for archaeology, I'll do it.

[1451] Okay, keep going.

[1452] Oh, well, this is the famous cartouche that some people think are, is here.

[1453] Now, these are the Paleolithic Caves.

[1454] This is the best of them called Chauvet.

[1455] This is dated.

[1456] This is in France, right?

[1457] This is in France.

[1458] And this they date, they date, they date, not us, They date to 31 ,000 BC or older.

[1459] This is genius stuff.

[1460] Great artists did this.

[1461] Great artists are not primitive.

[1462] They might be shooting arrows at rhinoceruses to eat, and why not?

[1463] It's a lot better than going to the supermarket.

[1464] Organic, or you've never heard of a GMO rhinoceros.

[1465] But this is fabulous work.

[1466] And who knows what was going on?

[1467] on the rest of the time when they're doing this in the dark, hidden away in these caves.

[1468] And this is 31 ,000 BC.

[1469] So the date for us of 36 ,000 or thereabouts for the Sphinx and all of that is not as out of the question as you think, because they date this to 31 ,000.

[1470] And this presupposes, A, an extremely sophisticated art, artistry.

[1471] and, you know, supremely sophisticated artistry is not done by morons or by primitives.

[1472] It just isn't.

[1473] Keep going.

[1474] Look at this great stuff.

[1475] Yeah, they definitely had a very good sense of how to capture what these animals that they worshipped and went after looked like.

[1476] But it was crazy here.

[1477] You see, that looks like a rhine.

[1478] down there and horses.

[1479] It is.

[1480] It is.

[1481] And the horses, yeah, wild horses.

[1482] Wow.

[1483] Well, maybe no. So this is Gobeckley Tapir, right?

[1484] That's the artist's study of Gobeckley Tapir.

[1485] Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they've only uncovered less than 10 % of Gobeckley Tapes.

[1486] Yeah, much less.

[1487] I think it's 5 % or something like that.

[1488] And they work, well, now it's near the Syrian border so God knows what they're doing, but they're covering it over because once they started excavating it, been protected by the fill for all of these thousands of years.

[1489] and it started deteriorating.

[1490] So now they've, unfortunately, you can no longer see it the way that Chalk and I saw it six, seven years ago.

[1491] So what are they covering it with?

[1492] Oh, they've got sheds and roofs over it and it's completely destroyed.

[1493] It's magic, but I can't blame them.

[1494] The weather is getting at it.

[1495] When did they discover this?

[1496] It was actually discovered in the 90, 94 or so, and they've been working on it ever since.

[1497] And it only came into public view around 2004 or thereabouts and here here's some of the detail and this is why shock is fascinated by this because that kind of thing of the anthropomorphic of the hands grasping around the corner that's they're doing that with something almost identical to that in Easter Island we think Easter Island plays a role in this whole lost civilization hypothesis wow that's more again this is raised relief you have to chop the sown cut or a braid the stone away from the figures.

[1498] This is tough to do.

[1499] It's 3D stuff.

[1500] And also, aren't there animals depicted on these things that aren't even local?

[1501] They're not even available on that continent, nor they think there's a history of these animals?

[1502] I am not sure.

[1503] This is, but this one is the, that one there is a kind of a feline of some sort.

[1504] Hard to tell exactly what it is because it's stylized.

[1505] Right.

[1506] But it's a pretty brilliant piece of sculpture, and you have to, you know, carve away the whole stone, surface in order to get at that.

[1507] Yeah.

[1508] I'm not sure if they know or surmise what that is.

[1509] Yeah, it definitely looks like some sort of a cat.

[1510] Some sort of a puma.

[1511] Some sort of a pumer.

[1512] This is interesting.

[1513] That's a bead that they found there from Quebec Leitepe.

[1514] And this is a big mystery in a small bead.

[1515] Because how did they drill that hole?

[1516] It's a very, very hard stone.

[1517] Very hard stone and a very small stone, too, because this is sitting in your hand.

[1518] That's about the size of your, the last digit of your thumb.

[1519] Yeah, it's tiny.

[1520] It's tiny and it's thin.

[1521] And so there's a tiny little hole in that.

[1522] And again, we're talking about a time where there was no steel.

[1523] That's right.

[1524] So how did they do that?

[1525] Exactly.

[1526] Well, aren't there, there's a bunch of pottery in Egypt in terms of a carved stone pottery where they have zero idea how they constructed it with a very thin lip and then it goes inside contour?

[1527] Yeah, yeah.

[1528] I think we have one of those there.

[1529] this is a bracelet found recently in Turkey made of obsidian which is an almost impossible stone to work with and the ridges on it they again not us have found by doing a careful study of it geometrically that it's very sophisticated geometry at work I forget exactly what it is that's at issue here but it's not just a couple cavemen saying well you know my wife is pissed off at me so I better give her something nice for our anniversary So I said, well, here's a nice chunk of obsidian.

[1530] I think I'll do a little bracelet for her.

[1531] Do they know how old this is?

[1532] Yeah, it's dated by the strata that it's found in around 8 ,000 BC.

[1533] Wow.

[1534] Wow.

[1535] Okay, this is more stuff.

[1536] This is Sardinia, which is a treasure of megalithic, misunderstood.

[1537] Look at these extreme fantastic structures.

[1538] We think, shocking myself, that this may be, a lot of this may, maybe in answer to this massive coronal mass ejection that happened maybe thousands of years earlier even and people are still building things to keep them safe from another one of these.

[1539] Now, what would be the effect of a coronal mass ejection?

[1540] Right now?

[1541] Yeah.

[1542] A catastrophe.

[1543] Right.

[1544] As far as now it would, it would kill the satellites and there would be a lot of issues.

[1545] It would freeze the grid.

[1546] It would fry the grid.

[1547] Right.

[1548] I mean, instantly, the only people.

[1549] would hang, the only people who would survive are the survivalists, you know, who are off the grid to begin.

[1550] Those are all assholes.

[1551] Those kinds of survivalists.

[1552] The real problem.

[1553] Yeah, those kinds of survivors.

[1554] But other people are off the grid, you know, doing, my pal Clay, who's here, is buying 10 extra acres that I have that I'm not doing anything with.

[1555] And is planning to, in fact, do exactly that to go off the grid and build a permaculture, 10 acres, self -sustaining.

[1556] self -sustaining little farm.

[1557] That's a great way to do it, to have like a farm, and if you could afford the land and have solar power and all that jazz and well water.

[1558] Few people are doing that.

[1559] It's a great way to do it if it's possible.

[1560] There are some people, but when the world is overpopulated, to the extent that it is, it's not going to get to an awful lot of people very quickly.

[1561] It's difficult to do.

[1562] Yeah, these are the interior of those extraordinary Noraji they're called.

[1563] Sardinia is an incredible place, actually.

[1564] And that's in Italy, right?

[1565] Island off the coast of Italy.

[1566] Wow.

[1567] And what do they date these two?

[1568] Well, they date it to 2 ,600 or so, 2 ,600 BC.

[1569] And Chalk and I question that, but we don't have any data that tells us otherwise.

[1570] What is that?

[1571] This is the stone circle in Egypt, the knob to playa, as it's called, that it looks completely fragmented and rough.

[1572] But in fact, even this, the academics, The archaeo -astronomers acknowledge is astronomically oriented and as a physicist, an archaeo -astroner named Tom Brophy, who studied it much more carefully and has found much more sophisticated alignments than just solstice as an equinoxes.

[1573] That's a common thread in ancient architecture, which is really fascinating, is the alignment with celestial bodies, The Mayans, we're big on that.

[1574] Always.

[1575] Well, what they're doing, back to procession, for whatever reason that we don't understand, but with the evidence is there, and festivals and all sorts of things like that are attuned or take place at these critical, these critical, let's call them energy points.

[1576] And what they're doing, and it's quite clear that they're doing it, is that they're orchestrating, their entire civilization, They're tuning their entire civilization to the movements of the heavens.

[1577] This is quite clear.

[1578] And this you can kind of demonstrate what they're achieving by that.

[1579] We don't know.

[1580] But it's very important to them.

[1581] What do we got here?

[1582] More of the same.

[1583] That's the devil's dick.

[1584] Well, close.

[1585] Looks like it.

[1586] Yeah, that's the, that's knob the playa.

[1587] And that's just the drawing of knobb the playa.

[1588] And this is, this gets into complications.

[1589] of the cosmology of it.

[1590] This is the Dogen.

[1591] This is the work of my good friend, Laird Scranton, who you may know of, I think, yes?

[1592] Yes.

[1593] The Dogen tribe, that's the tribe that think that they come from the Constellation Sirius?

[1594] Well, who think they got their knowledge, yes.

[1595] It comes to it through them directly from Syria.

[1596] I don't think they think they come from Syria.

[1597] Oh, okay.

[1598] I'm not sure.

[1599] But anyway, Laird work started out just as a sort of amateur thing.

[1600] looking into the cosmology of the dogan and at a certain point he decides to see how that matched current technology.

[1601] He's a techie guy.

[1602] He's an expert in computer languages and things like that.

[1603] So he's very good at this kind of work and he finds that in the first book of his called Science of the Dogan that this dogan cosmology of this rather simple tribe in Western Africa, Mali, I think it is, has their cosmology, which they know about, they can transmit it, is in fact consistent with the latest wrinkles and string theory and torsion theory and high energy physics and all that sort of stuff.

[1604] And then that led him to the study of other civilizations, and he's now six or seven books into it, And really what he's doing, it's not, it's unrecognized except by a handful of people.

[1605] You know, they're not bestsellers.

[1606] And they're written very well.

[1607] It's very simple and easy to follow.

[1608] He's showing that this complex cosmology is understood and expressed by every society, virtually every society that he's looked into, including the Chinese.

[1609] That was a relatively recent book.

[1610] and he's ending up with a master picture puzzle of all of these ancient civilizations, and there's no dating them exactly, but it's become quite clear through this body of work that the ancients had this same, effectively, the same cosmology and the same understanding of it.

[1611] And we think that this is a hand -me -down from the ancient civilization that we're busy trying to validate.

[1612] date and the...

[1613] So, meaning the survivors of this coronal mass. The survivors of the...

[1614] The people that existed before the coronal mass that had achieved some sort of a high level of sophistication, and then these people with whatever knowledge was left over, whatever they had managed to save.

[1615] Something of that sort, or they were the same people who were everywhere and had it to begin with.

[1616] What you're seeing up here of figure 12 .4, the quantum frenzy can cause a string -ant -string pair to erupt and annihilate, yielding a more complicated interaction.

[1617] What is that?

[1618] Well, that's from, again, that's from the physics lab.

[1619] Actually, they're talking about, I'm not sure of it.

[1620] So this is like some sort of a geometry thing, and, or...

[1621] It's a physics thing.

[1622] And they're looking at this as Dogen Art. Is that what this is?

[1623] No, but Dogen Art has that figure in it.

[1624] Keep going.

[1625] No, down.

[1626] Down, I think.

[1627] Let's say.

[1628] There's somewhere the Dogen have that.

[1629] Where is it, Jamie?

[1630] Okay.

[1631] No. I think it's the one right after it.

[1632] Well, it's very close.

[1633] Let's see.

[1634] You have to read Laird's book.

[1635] Yeah.

[1636] Science of the Dogen.

[1637] It's really all there.

[1638] And then it's the same in all of the civilizations all over the place.

[1639] And as I said earlier, I don't, I dislike using the Old Testament, the Bible for scholarship, because it's a minefield.

[1640] You just don't know.

[1641] You can select from it.

[1642] I mean, you know, the inquisitors found a way to justify the inquisition from the Bible, and you can justify just about anything.

[1643] Well, there's so much craziness in there.

[1644] There's so much craziness going on in there.

[1645] But one thing that did strike me, and the correspondence is, our correspondence is one of the intriguing bits of the, of, I forget where it is, Tower of Babel.

[1646] If it's Exodus or it can't be Exodus.

[1647] Genesis maybe, anyway, one of the early books of the Bible where they talk about the Tower of Babel and one of the lines that is suggestive is before or before the tower was built all of humanity spoke in one tongue.

[1648] The Eskimos spoke the same as the Polynesians.

[1649] What is this?

[1650] And the Polynesians spoke Chinese?

[1651] No, it doesn't seem that doesn't seem logical.

[1652] I mean, the linguists don't find that sort of thing.

[1653] But if the common language that they spoke was the cosmology and Laird finds the same cosmology wherever he looks, that's interesting.

[1654] That's not anything that you can base.

[1655] You know, you can't be sure of it, but suddenly that strange line does have some corroboration.

[1656] I think it's very hard for us to put into perspective what it would be like if there was some sort of a high level of sophistication, involved in the society back then, and then they experienced whatever it was, whether it was meteor, showers, supervolcanoes, asteroid, yeah.

[1657] And whatever it is, and then trying to retain a certain amount of it and pass it on to your children and how things get so convoluted and distorted, and there would be very little left.

[1658] Yes.

[1659] Yeah, I mean, it's, and, but the people would be of the same sophistication in terms of the same kind of mind.

[1660] minds, the same sized brains, the same capability, they would just have to relearn everything all over again.

[1661] Well, this is a good, I think there's a good case that can be made for that, because stuff gets after this catastrophe, things really do go into a tailspin, and then around 3 ,000 BC, 4 ,000 BC, all of a sudden, all over the place, very sophisticated.

[1662] civilizations arise, but based upon this ancient knowledge, the mythology is all there to begin with, but suddenly there's Sumerian, around the same time, there's Egypt, there's China, for sure, there's India, and all of these seem to arrive at a very high level of understanding around that 4 ,000 or so date.

[1663] Especially Sumer, when they go over some of the ancient, those clay tablets, when they see the depictions of the solar system, that's where it gets really confusing.

[1664] It's like, how the hell did they know this?

[1665] How did they know that there was a sun in the center and then all these planets were in the correct size?

[1666] I mean, they had Jupiter in the correct size in the correct position, Mars in the correct position.

[1667] It was very, very strange stuff.

[1668] I didn't know that, actually.

[1669] You ever seen those?

[1670] Yeah, there's beautiful.

[1671] Have you ever followed Zacharias Hitch and stuff?

[1672] He's got some really wacky shit.

[1673] Well, it is wacky shit.

[1674] Yeah, it's fun to read if you're high.

[1675] Yeah, but it's true.

[1676] The Anunaki and the, Those from heaven to earth came and created people out of monkeys and alien DNA.

[1677] He's a galactic Darwinian.

[1678] Well, he was.

[1679] Now he's, now he's, now he's worm food.

[1680] And I call his, I call his, I call his, I call his follower Cichinini's.

[1681] Sitchiniti.

[1682] Well, I've read, uh, I have a little use for, for the 12th planet.

[1683] I think that was called the 12th planet.

[1684] Horrible stuff.

[1685] But when, you know, when you don't know anything, it's awesome.

[1686] Yeah.

[1687] But, uh, pull up the, an image, Jamie.

[1688] of the, just to show it to, John, of the solar system depiction in the clay tablets.

[1689] Because it's really fascinating stuff.

[1690] I mean, it clearly shows a sun with what we, you know, our standard sort of image of a sun where it's a circle and the radiating sort of lines outside of it.

[1691] And then it has all these planets circling around it.

[1692] Yeah, there it is right there.

[1693] Look at that.

[1694] Oh.

[1695] The sun is a star.

[1696] No, that's just, it's not a drawing.

[1697] It's just outlined.

[1698] That's the actual original clay tablet, but they drew on it as an outline.

[1699] Isn't that amazing?

[1700] You can find the actual tablet, Jamie, too, and you can zoom in on it so you can see it better.

[1701] But really, really incredible stuff when you consider the fact that they made this somewhere around, what was this, 5 ,000 BC or 4 ,000 BC?

[1702] I don't know if it's that one right there.

[1703] I don't know if it's that early, but it's somewhere in that neighborhood.

[1704] See if you can find a better full version of it there, young Jamie.

[1705] But incredible stuff and weird stuff.

[1706] I mean, there are depictions of people with tails sitting on the laps of giants.

[1707] That tends to decode symbolically, actually, those hybrid creatures and stuff like that.

[1708] Most of those things, I think, should not be taken literally.

[1709] Right.

[1710] Like you were talking about myths Yeah, myths Because things change shape And the one thing becomes another And when those are shown pictorially It doesn't mean that it's to be taken literally There's the original So you could see it there in the background Pretty interesting stuff, huh?

[1711] But where are the In the background, where?

[1712] See it right there?

[1713] Oh, there, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1714] And But the stars, that's the original.

[1715] so that you have the sun in the middle of the stars.

[1716] Actually, that's a motif that you see in Egypt often where you have a star with a solar disk in the middle of it.

[1717] And often they're just stars.

[1718] They're five -pointed stars.

[1719] And then it's with a solar disk in it and what they're talking about.

[1720] I think the Egyptologists talk about a stellar cult and a solar cult.

[1721] And that as soon as you call any, a cult, it becomes, it becomes, you can talk about it because it's somebody else's religion and therefore superstition.

[1722] But what it's talking about, and probably this too, is two levels.

[1723] In other words, it's the solar sky, our solar system, and the star around it is the zodiacal sky, is the constellational sky.

[1724] So it's two levels of the hierarchy simultaneously.

[1725] Hmm.

[1726] But it's just amazing that you're talking about such a long, long time ago, and they had all the little planets there.

[1727] But all the, they don't have Uranus, and they don't have Uranus.

[1728] We'll see what they have there.

[1729] Do they?

[1730] Pull it back up again, Jamie?

[1731] I'm finding a couple different versions, too.

[1732] Oh, yeah?

[1733] Yeah.

[1734] So there's more than one version of it?

[1735] Yeah, one only had seven planets.

[1736] They have another one that has nine.

[1737] Ah, that's interesting if they have nine.

[1738] This one only has seven.

[1739] Right, but that was a different one where that shows a star and then it has a bunch of planets off to the side.

[1740] Who knows what that means.

[1741] Go full view on that one, Jamie.

[1742] Yeah, look at that one.

[1743] It's just so cool to look at something that someone made, you know, whatever, 5 ,000, 6 ,000 years ago and see their attempt, go back to that, please.

[1744] Their attempt at trying to show and convey what they knew about the world or what their thoughts were about the world.

[1745] Like, what are we seeing here.

[1746] Well, see, that looks like war.

[1747] That one is not, well, that's a common theme in, that's a common theme in Egypt, too.

[1748] The Pharaoh, the pharaoh smiting in the heads of the, of his enemies.

[1749] It's the conquest of the forces of light over the forces of darkness.

[1750] And this one, the seven might not be, there it is, you have that, you have that, as I said, often in Egypt, or very similar.

[1751] But the other one, the star and the seven, the seven planet, could be planets, but see, it's a different looking star, too.

[1752] It's many, one, two, three.

[1753] Yeah, it's a different one.

[1754] The other one was six.

[1755] It might be, it might be, it might be a number symbolism thing with the thing and the numbers.

[1756] The Egyptians do seven, not as circles like that, but as dots.

[1757] It's, you know, it has a numerical validity rather necessarily than an astronomical one.

[1758] that one.

[1759] The other one...

[1760] Go back to the other one, Jeremy?

[1761] Yeah, now that...

[1762] That one's really interesting.

[1763] Yeah.

[1764] All this stuff is interesting.

[1765] Yeah, the relative sizes.

[1766] The relative sizes, that's pretty mind -boggling.

[1767] Yeah, and again...

[1768] And the two on the outer edge is really those two.

[1769] Yeah.

[1770] That's interesting.

[1771] Yeah, very.

[1772] That's interesting, indeed.

[1773] I'd like to see that explained any other way than They knew something I sure as hell knew something I mean or That's an amazing lucky guess No This is not guesswork No it's just Unraveling Ancient civilization It's like putting together a puzzle When you only have five six pieces Yeah well we're This is the thing That when we started out There were few pieces And then now A lot of pieces have Been added to the puzzle Right like the nuclear glass the coronal mass ejection stuff.

[1774] Gobeckli -Tepe is a big chunk of Gunung Padang in Indonesia is another one.

[1775] I don't have any photos of that, but Chalk has been to that and is absolutely convinced that it's very, very old.

[1776] A, that it's human -made, and that it's very, very old, so things are showing up all over the place.

[1777] So go back to the slides?

[1778] And it's just, it's such an emerging.

[1779] thing as far as like people talking about it too, the slides.

[1780] Mm -hmm.

[1781] This is something that's being discussed over and over again now.

[1782] It's much more mainstream, and now that Graham Hancock has got a lot of traction on his work and his new book, Magicians of the Gods, and Randall Carlson, who's an expert on asteroidal impacts, has sort of impacted his work as well and really sort of made it more interesting because he's provided a context with some historical, like, actual scientific evidence of impacts.

[1783] Oh, yeah.

[1784] Yeah, yeah.

[1785] So what are we looking at here?

[1786] That's, that's, that's go Beckley -Tepe again.

[1787] I'm not, yeah, that's, sorry, not go Beckley -Tepie.

[1788] That's not the playa, but that's one of shocks, one of shock slides, I think, and I'm not sure what he's, what he's driving at there.

[1789] Some sort of a constellation in the background.

[1790] That's Brofis, I think.

[1791] That's Brofis, I think.

[1792] slides where he's looking for much more sophisticated information in the, in Nobta Playa.

[1793] And even if his, even if it's more far out speculations or just speculation, I think they could be just the basic premise is already of great significance that this is, because this is dated to 5 ,000, 6 ,000 BC.

[1794] So that makes it the oldest datable stone circle.

[1795] Now, one of the things I was going to bring up with you, I forgot, when we were talking earlier about this idea of the procession of equinoxes, the wobble of the Earth being caused perhaps by a dwarf star that we don't know exactly where it is.

[1796] That was one of the theories about whatever it is outside of the Kuiper Belt, that there's this object out there now that there 90 % plus sure exists, and they're calling it, you know, Planet X or whatever it is.

[1797] they think that it's at least four times larger than the Earth, and it's somewhere outside of the Kuiper Belt, which is now what they believe Pluto is a part of, right?

[1798] Pluto, when Pluto is no longer a planet, it got listed as an asteroid.

[1799] Oh, poor old Pluto, yeah, got downgraded.

[1800] Got the shaft.

[1801] Right.

[1802] But they think there's something out there, and one of the theories that I had read was that it could be some sort of a dwarf star that is that exists so far out there that we can't see it.

[1803] Oh, well, this is, I mean, Walter Cruttenden, who runs, who started CPAC, would be, I don't know, I wonder if he knows about that.

[1804] I'll be seeing him in a few days and some interesting stuff going on at CPAC.

[1805] It's a strange you didn't know about it.

[1806] Well, you know about the planet that they're pretty sure of, right?

[1807] Do you know about that?

[1808] I think.

[1809] Well, let's see if you can find that.

[1810] Like, they think that somewhere outside of Pluto that there is a large body.

[1811] They don't know what it is.

[1812] They don't know exactly how big it is, but they think it's far larger than the Earth, at least four times larger than the Earth.

[1813] And that it exists, and its gravitational effect is having a response.

[1814] Here it is.

[1815] New dwarf planet discovered far beyond Pluto's, or, no, Jamie, that's not it.

[1816] I don't think.

[1817] That's a dwarf planet.

[1818] This is something that's much larger.

[1819] This is like they think it's larger than Earth.

[1820] Just look at a planet four times larger than Earth, believe.

[1821] to be outside of the solar system.

[1822] They think it's a part of the solar system, but it's on this gigantic orbit, like way, way, way out there.

[1823] So most of them are binary star systems, right?

[1824] Most of them?

[1825] I think so, yeah.

[1826] Chuck would know that.

[1827] He knows his astronomy a lot better than I do.

[1828] But it's interesting if there is some sort of a star or a dead star out there, way out there.

[1829] Yeah?

[1830] And that it's affecting us.

[1831] It's causing our Earth to wobble.

[1832] Maybe, yeah?

[1833] I mean...

[1834] There it is.

[1835] Astronomers say a nept...

[1836] No, no, no, no, not Neptune.

[1837] Is that it?

[1838] Lerkesbair.

[1839] Is that it?

[1840] Well, Neptune's big.

[1841] It could be...

[1842] Yeah, it might be it.

[1843] It's January 20th.

[1844] Yeah, okay, that's right.

[1845] Yeah, I didn't see that one.

[1846] The claim is the strongest yet in the centuries -long search for planet X beyond Neptune.

[1847] The quest has been plagued by far -fetched claims and even outright quackery.

[1848] But the new evidence comes from a pair of respect to...

[1849] Planetary Scientists.

[1850] I don't want to say that guy's name.

[1851] Yeah, look at the language.

[1852] Look at the language.

[1853] It's quackery if they don't agree, and if it's not one of their own.

[1854] And if it's one of their own, it's respected until somebody comes along and shows that they're wrong.

[1855] Right, but their language is tempered by guys like Zacharias Hitchin, isn't it?

[1856] Well, yeah, he brings it on himself.

[1857] That's right.

[1858] But some of their stuff is equal.

[1859] That's why I call them the quackademics, because every week there's something coming along, disproving stuff that they've been insisting has been right for the last 10 or 15 or 20 years.

[1860] Look at this thing.

[1861] But they're never quacks.

[1862] They think it orbits the sun every 15 ,000 years.

[1863] Right.

[1864] Wow.

[1865] That's awesome.

[1866] I mean, it's just, it's so interesting.

[1867] We know so much, but so little at the same time.

[1868] You know, I think it was Dennis.

[1869] Yeah, Dennis McKenna had this great saying that when the bonfire of, where the bonfire of understanding grows, it illuminates the surface area of ignorance.

[1870] Well, good line.

[1871] Yeah, that you realize, like, the brighter the light, like, wow, there's so much you don't know.

[1872] And then also, you have to distinguish between knowledge and understanding.

[1873] Yeah.

[1874] For example, with the quackademic egyptologists, they have a lot of facts at their disposal that they do not understand at all.

[1875] And that's why, I mean, my own work.

[1876] Shwler's own work couldn't have been done without all of that careful factual work by the Egyptologists and what I do or what we do, I mean, those of us who are looking into this, we take that factual material and shawlerize it.

[1877] And that gives us a certain degree of understanding, which those jerks don't have it all.

[1878] Those jerks.

[1879] Let's go back to the slides.

[1880] What else you got here that you want to show us?

[1881] I don't know.

[1882] There's a lot, but some stuff I want to skip.

[1883] Okay.

[1884] Keep going.

[1885] I want to skip stuff now because I'm running out of words, which is hard to do.

[1886] That's one of those very hard stone vase with this thin lip and the walls of the vase are about as thick as the rim of the lip.

[1887] And this is all made out of one piece of a very hard stone called Green Shift.

[1888] And we think actually shocking myself, and there's an idea I find another friend of mine, a very good writer named Paul William Roberts, was his suggestion that, hey, maybe these stone things, there's quite a few of them, date from the earlier period and were kept as sacred objects all of those years.

[1889] And, of course, if they were kept and guarded and not broken, when a hammer breaks it, but were kept in one piece, you know, X number of thousand years, they wouldn't be weathered or anything.

[1890] They'd be fine as long as they were protected.

[1891] Now, is there any speculation whatsoever?

[1892] as to the method that they use to create something like this?

[1893] Well, there's some stupid ones.

[1894] Let's hear the stupid ones.

[1895] Well, they're shown with bow drills that, you know, that go the way like you light a fire with sticks like this.

[1896] Well, it's a kind of a drill that they put in there with balls of some kind of, you know, hard stone.

[1897] And once you get the drill thing down, you can kind of work your way around and gradually, gradually, gradually hollow out the inside.

[1898] This seems insane to me and that it would take...

[1899] I mean, one of those guys should devote his life to taking a block of green shift and trying that method and see how far he gets in 10 or 15 years.

[1900] It's very hard to imagine that they could do that with a method like that, and otherwise no one knows.

[1901] But isn't that, like, sort of, doesn't it balance out with the insanity of building a pyramid in the first place?

[1902] I mean, building a pyramid is just an incredible undertaking.

[1903] Didn't they say that, like, if you cut in place 10 stones a day, it would take you 664 years.

[1904] It is mind -boggling.

[1905] Yeah.

[1906] But, in fact, it's quite clear that they did it.

[1907] It's not at all clear that they did it in the allotted 25 years or something of sort.

[1908] Why they did it, I mean, again, to see, to an academic, the only possible explanation is that they were tombs, even though there's no evidence whatsoever that they were tombs.

[1909] But if they say they were tombs, they don't need evidence.

[1910] What do you think they were?

[1911] I don't know, except what I'm pretty sure is that they weren't tombs and there weren't tombs only.

[1912] My general sense of it is that since everything in Egypt has its focus, the quest for immortality in some way, shape, or form, they enhance that quest.

[1913] They make it possible to do things that you wouldn't.

[1914] otherwise do.

[1915] I can tell you, you get enough people together and come on a trip or come on your own.

[1916] When we do our two -hour meditation in the pyramid, you come out of there knowing that you've not been just in a quiet bathroom.

[1917] This place surges with power.

[1918] You've got a group of people in there, all of whom are, especially if they're some who have practiced some meditation, it's really, it's something.

[1919] And I mean, you're, you're, you know, come out of there, knowing that you've experienced something that you've not experienced before.

[1920] So how they were used and to what end?

[1921] I don't know.

[1922] I mean, this is a quite common theory that there were sites of high initiation.

[1923] Well, there are sites of high initiation.

[1924] And when you understand what initiation involves, that's not a dumb theory.

[1925] It is a dumb theory if you don't think there's such a thing as initiation.

[1926] And if you think that illumination is dependent upon election.

[1927] Well, you're not able to think Egyptian, but if you've been to the places and have experienced for yourself the power of these places, then explanations of that sort, even though they don't count as, I mean, they're speculative, for sure, but when you don't have any evidence for them being tombs, that's pretty speculative too.

[1928] Right.

[1929] And building them is incredible beyond belief.

[1930] Liding them up is only slightly less incredible.

[1931] Yeah, yeah.

[1932] The whole thing is my love.

[1933] Now, do you have any theories at all is how they could build some sort of a stone thing like this?

[1934] No, no. I don't.

[1935] Pretty incredible stuff.

[1936] Let's go, because we got a lot of stuff and I don't want to take that.

[1937] Okay, that's us and my criminal partner, Boris, swinging the digital sledgehammer, looking for underground caverns.

[1938] So you hit that thing and it makes a sound.

[1939] Yeah, besides the graph.

[1940] The sound goes into the earth.

[1941] Interesting.

[1942] The next slide is what we found.

[1943] And there it is, see, A, that is a cavern or a chamber or of some sort, it's a void underneath the bedrock.

[1944] And that's the so -called Hall of Records.

[1945] People think that that's Edgar Casey is talking about.

[1946] We're iffy about it, other than that, the seismograph does not know how to channel.

[1947] So it just says what's there.

[1948] So it knows there's a void.

[1949] It knows there's a void.

[1950] And at the very back, it's a little bit, you don't see, it's the edge of the sea.

[1951] See, at the very end, by the rump, that is also a chamber and that's absolutely it's known that it's there and this gives you the same profile seismologically.

[1952] But there's no known way to get into these things?

[1953] Yeah, the back one there's a way it's a very rough cut chamber and there's just behind it one of those stones if you pull it away and you can get in and it's a room rough, it's very rough but about the size of the room that we're in here, the studio and that's a room.

[1954] So if that's a room then it stands to reason that's seismographical reason anyway, that A is also a cavern or a grotto or a construction or something so what we're looking at with a when you see all those circles around it and the the rough shape of it that's the shape that they believe the room is so it would be similar to the one that's at the rump where it would be like kind of a rough room well well the seismographic those are the i forget top o lines is something that give you the depths that the thing is at and but it's not like a square 90 degree angle Well, it's roughly rectangular, says Tom DeBecky, who is our geophysicist who was doing that work.

[1955] So what's the hold up as far as examining that?

[1956] Well, two.

[1957] One, they don't want to be wrong.

[1958] Two, that it's very difficult to do.

[1959] It's under about 15 feet of bedrock that happened.

[1960] The Sphinx is, A, probably the most, let's say, the archaeological hot spot of the universe.

[1961] I mean, nothing is more open to, you know, excitement and all the rest of it is the Sphinx.

[1962] Secondly, the water level has risen so that that whole chamber is probably filled with water now.

[1963] So anything that isn't stone would have been obliterated long ago.

[1964] Imagine you got down there and you found wet scrolls.

[1965] Well, maybe.

[1966] Or stone something or another.

[1967] Right.

[1968] But in theory, you could put a little fiber optic something down there and study it.

[1969] But they don't want to be wrong about this.

[1970] And anything invasive, the Sphinx is really in disastrous conditions.

[1971] So any little vibration or something like that could, you know, could conceivably damage it.

[1972] I don't worry about these things.

[1973] The geology is much more important as far as I'm concerned.

[1974] And my guess is that when we finally break open the Port Cullis and capture all of the, you know, all of the, capture all of the quackademics that it protects at the moment, which, I don't know, maybe we'll waterboard them, but anyway, we capture all of the quackademics and get them the hell out of there.

[1975] At that point, when it gets, when it is, when it is accepted, and these things do happen, this is this idea whose time has come, when it has come, things change.

[1976] And at that point, maybe then the funding shows up.

[1977] And the determination comes up to actually look into that void or chamber and see if it is indeed a void or chamber and if there's something in there.

[1978] Is it possible that there's some other things in Egypt that haven't been discovered?

[1979] Oh, load.

[1980] They even know where they are, a lot of them.

[1981] Really?

[1982] Yeah, but what do you call it?

[1983] Lansat, infrared, something, you know, when you can photograph underground, they have, yeah, there are hundreds of sites that they know where there are graves and.

[1984] tombs and stuff like that.

[1985] But most of them, I don't think that kind of photography, I thought there's a name for it.

[1986] I don't think that kind of photography goes deep enough for us to establish the lost civilization.

[1987] It'll be under the sand level.

[1988] It'll be at the bottom of the sand level.

[1989] And so far, at any rate, it doesn't get down that deeply.

[1990] But they have lots of places to excavate if they had the money.

[1991] Okay.

[1992] Let's keep going here.

[1993] Keep going.

[1994] Okay, well, this is now, this is Schock's book, and he'll be at CPAC.

[1995] This is a recent book?

[1996] That's his last book, yeah, that's a recent book.

[1997] The role of solar outbursts in our past and future, forgotten civilizations, the title.

[1998] Yeah, very interesting, very interesting thesis, and backed up by a lot, you know, a lot of solid, a lot of solid scholarship.

[1999] And Schock will be at the CPAC, this particular CPAC.

[2000] So he thinks it was a solar outburst more than, you know, They think it was an asteroidal impact.

[2001] He thinks, although they're not necessarily antithetical.

[2002] The dates, in other words, it could have been either more.

[2003] I mean, shock thinks that it's an impact in the earlier catastrophe that brings on the younger dryass, the intensification of the ice age, and he thinks that it's the solar outburst that puts an end to the entire civilization and melts all the ice.

[2004] Whoa.

[2005] Wow.

[2006] Northern Lights, what else we got?

[2007] Well, keep going.

[2008] Let's go whisk by here because this is Anthony Parrott, who is a physicist that it's his thing.

[2009] And here, these are these figures that show up in the, you know, in the electron, through the electron microscope, and that are mirrored by those strange dancing, multi -headed, multi -armed figures that the petroglyphs, at the top, usually at the upper registers of those, of the petroglyph facade, which also mirrors, that's the Rongo Rongo script.

[2010] Shock is fascinated by the so far, untranslatable Rongo Rongo script.

[2011] What was that from?

[2012] Easter Island, which shows as letters, presumably, those kinds of weird humanoid figures.

[2013] Hmm.

[2014] one of the great mysteries of linguists oh yeah huh okay keep going that's the end of it is it yeah it's the bottom of the whole thing of my whole show yeah really there was a whole bunch of other stuff that I wanted on not well some stuff I didn't want it to whisk through but what was up there maybe I'll send it to you is the map of Dumfakistan of greater and lesser dumb Pakistan which is very useful and my five cowboys and the graphic of the five cowboys.

[2015] It's a very graphic.

[2016] My stepson found it somewhere online, but it really shows the fun of cowboys in action, which is, as I said, you pick up the daily newspaper or turn on the internet and you'll see the cowboys at work.

[2017] You've been at this for a long time now.

[2018] You've been at this for many years.

[2019] Late 60s, I think it came across from when I was born.

[2020] Yeah, okay.

[2021] I was born in 67.

[2022] Well, it's around the time I came across Swallow Dulwich, yes, around then.

[2023] Do you feel like people are slowly but surely starting to come around at these, the concepts of these ancient civilizations being not the primitive people that we've been told, but maybe perhaps really complex?

[2024] Oh, yeah.

[2025] Well, a lot of people, the trouble is that the picture is muddied.

[2026] I mean, the academics are almost as quackademics are as staunch as ever in their delusion.

[2027] But the trouble is that the whole scenario is muddied and it's almost unavoidable by ancient aliens and Zechariah Sitchin and a whole bunch of nutcases that think that aliens built the pyramids and all of that sort of stuff.

[2028] So, yes, more people are interested, but how many, the percentage of those that are actually capable of sifting the evidence and intellectually honest enough to accept what stands up to scrutiny and not numerically there are lots more of them than they were.

[2029] But statistically, there are a very, very small percentage of a very small percentage of the populace that actually care or understand it.

[2030] But it only takes a certain small percentage.

[2031] Have you ever tried to get your magical Egypt series on Netflix?

[2032] No, not on Netflix, but they probably wouldn't take it because they'd have to make, A, you have to cut a really lousy deal with him.

[2033] And B, the numbers probably wouldn't justify it.

[2034] I don't know about that.

[2035] Well, they did love documentaries, and why would you think that they would want to cut a lousy deal?

[2036] They do.

[2037] I mean, they really don't give you much.

[2038] I mean, the mystery of the Sphinx is on there, but it's the guy who does the reproduction of it that negotiated with him.

[2039] And Chance, the downside of Chance is that he's a bit paranoid about letting stuff out of his control.

[2040] So I've told him, you know, the thing on Netflix or, you know, but I mean, people have stolen it and it's on YouTube.

[2041] Yeah.

[2042] In a very, you know, in a very, you know, it's at the reproduction, you really don't see it unless you actually own the DVD.

[2043] Right.

[2044] And but it's Chance's baby as far as pitching it.

[2045] And he doesn't.

[2046] and it's not so he hasn't even brought it up to netflix i don't know if he has or not it seems like it would be right up their alley you would think but i've given up sort of arguing the case if he doesn't it's his it's his it's his it's his baby yeah but it's not i mean it is and it's not but it's a big part of your work i mean i just think that that would be a great venue for it i think it would be too but you write him and tell him that okay well i have a netflix he's been trying he's been trying to get on your show for a while has he been well he's been emailing you a couple of times and nobody email on the wrong address well and nobody responded so he gives up uh anyway i never got any emails from the dude we'll talk about that after the show we'll try figure that out but uh i got a comedy special coming out on on netflix in october i'd be happy to talk to them and say hey this is something i should look at you know i mean i don't have any idea what kind of deals they cut in terms of documentaries but what i do know is that what you did is amazing and then i think that it would uh it would it would be great for everybody to have that have more access because i agree just the just the sheer depth of the information when you you go over like the temple and man and all the the different the just the the different incredible structures that exist in egypt that most people don't even discuss oh they they don't know about and they don't want to discuss it but chances i mean that's you know the way to really watch People have told me this, me too.

[2047] I mean, I'm not much into, even dope, I casually smoke it once in a while, but I'm not much, vodka is my vice, such as it is, and I don't even consider it vicious.

[2048] But watching that, a couple of to watch with a couple of tokes, because it slows things down, the editing on that is breathtaking.

[2049] And there's a hypnotic quality to it.

[2050] It's really, I mean, it's an extraordinary, achievement and shock i mean chance did it on sorry shock i mean chance did it on a zero budget you know and doing all of the photography i mean everything single handed on nothing it's really the heroic production and and you know and we made nothing out of it nothing let's try to get it on Netflix i really want i'm going to try to make an attempt so when you attempt yeah i will i'm going to try to make an attempt i'm going to bring it to them and have a conversation with them yeah yeah they can't give them a copy they might not even know, you know.

[2051] I mean, I guarantee they don't.

[2052] They probably don't know.

[2053] I really think it's one of the great works.

[2054] I do too.

[2055] I do too.

[2056] I think it's so in depth.

[2057] It's so in depth that the only way you could do it was to self -produce it.

[2058] Yeah.

[2059] Oh yeah, you couldn't get anyone to do that.

[2060] Nobody would go, you're going to do eight DVDs on...

[2061] I know.

[2062] What are you out of your mind?

[2063] Nobody's going to watch all that.

[2064] I watched it.

[2065] I watched it like three or four times.

[2066] Lots of people do.

[2067] I mean, people...

[2068] And you have a magical Egypt too, right?

[2069] Well, we're working on it except we don't have the funding, and actually this is chances, baby, now, because Because I'm, any time he wants me, I'm there for him.

[2070] But I'm not in any position to really help with it because I'm so swamped with my own stuff.

[2071] Right.

[2072] And what would be covered in Magically Egypt too?

[2073] I don't know.

[2074] I don't know.

[2075] We've got the first one semi -done, but I don't know what he's got in mind.

[2076] And he's in Australia, so I don't get to see him at all.

[2077] And even Skype is not good for in -depth evening -long conversations.

[2078] No, no, it's not.

[2079] So I don't know.

[2080] But I'll bet if you showed it to Netflix.

[2081] and they expressed an interest, he'd be interested.

[2082] Well, I'm going to do that.

[2083] I'm going to bring them a copy, and we're going to see what we can do.

[2084] I think it's one of those things that I really believe that people should see.

[2085] And I think that if you could get it on Netflix and I could tweet it and let the world know and try to get people to spread the word.

[2086] I think once people see it, they just start, like that making of a murderer thing, you know, that caught all that traction entirely because it was on Netflix and word of mouth mostly.

[2087] I really think that that magical Egypt is one of those things.

[2088] Yeah, yeah.

[2089] Well, what I would like to do, actually, and I hope my pal Clay and some other people are going to help me with this, I'd like to get some of my other, when I'm wearing my other hat, my writers, my Bohemian Beret instead of my Egyptological pith helmet.

[2090] Because I've got a, I mean, a whole lifetime's worth of work, much of which has been produced, but none of it really commercially successful.

[2091] And it's just sitting there waiting to get done, and Netflix would be.

[2092] the perfect venue for it if I had something to show them, you know, because they do production.

[2093] I mean, they're producers now, too.

[2094] Yeah, it's an interesting time.

[2095] I mean, that's one of the best things about the Internet is that something like that can kind of spring up, like, and become a bigger network than any of the networks on television.

[2096] Yeah, that's the upside.

[2097] Well, the networks are about to die in good riddance.

[2098] Well, it's a silly idea.

[2099] It was good back when there was no other ideas.

[2100] You had to sit through those commercials and wait for.

[2101] For the next segment, and then you watch 10 minutes, and the commercials popped on again.

[2102] You rolled your eyes and waited for the commercials again, and all that stuff's nonsense now.

[2103] You watch a commercial now.

[2104] You're like, what is this silly thing?

[2105] Well, the Internet's full of commercials, too.

[2106] It is.

[2107] It is.

[2108] But at least they're usually at the beginning of a video.

[2109] No, they come in the middle sometimes, too, and things.

[2110] They're there.

[2111] But anyway.

[2112] Anyway, Magicly, Egypt is awesome.

[2113] You're awesome.

[2114] Appreciate you coming on here.

[2115] Glad we got a chance to meet in person.

[2116] a big difference, even though Skype is the next best thing to three -dimensional meeting, it isn't three -dimensional meeting.

[2117] It's fun to be here, and thanks for inviting me. Well, thank you, and thank you for all of your work, because I think you've done a great service to the world to sort of shine light on this amazing civilization.

[2118] Thank.

[2119] Much appreciate it.

[2120] All right, ladies and gentlemen is it.

[2121] Thank you very much.

[2122] John Anthony West, go seek out his work, and definitely go buy magical Egypt.

[2123] Don't pirate.

[2124] it you fucks go buy it that's awesome that exactly and and and if you have the money and the if you have the wherewithal and the will get on an egypt trip get on an egypt trip with this man soon because because i'm good enough to get up and down the pyramid but who knows for how long exactly so uh all right strike well the iron's hot