#1224 - Adam Greentree

[0] Three, two, one, all the way from down under.

[1] How are you, brother?

[2] What's going on?

[3] Good to see you again, man. Yeah, hell yeah.

[4] You're on a wild, magical mystery tour of the United States of America here.

[5] It's been amazing.

[6] With your kids, you cute little kids?

[7] Yeah, they're cute if they're not your own.

[8] Am I adorable?

[9] I love kids, but you're taking them too.

[10] You took everybody.

[11] You're here for how many months?

[12] Five months.

[13] You're moving?

[14] You're tired of Australia?

[15] No, hell no. just a big trip no it's better over here it is i love america is it better um can't say that they won't let you back in yeah probably not they're very different you know but the american landscape how unique the landscape is you know from the rocky mountains you know to the desert it's just insane does australia have any mountains yeah heaped yeah everyone thinks australia's just like this fucking flat piece of sand yeah yeah but it's not there's heaps of mountain ranges and shit.

[16] Really?

[17] Yeah, yeah.

[18] How tall do they get?

[19] Um, I don't know the height, but they're up there.

[20] Like a real mountain, like Rocky Mountain?

[21] Like a real mountain, like Rocky Mountain, yeah.

[22] Really?

[23] Yeah.

[24] Wow.

[25] Dude, let me tell you something.

[26] Your 28 days that you did in the Rocky Mountains out here that we put on Instagram, you know, that we're promoting it constantly.

[27] That was like one of the most talked about that, like every, I got calls from all my friend, Bert Kreischer was fucking obsessed with you.

[28] He wouldn't stop calling me about it.

[29] He's like, the fucking guys buy him The video with him with the grizzly bear and he's pointing the gun out of Jesus Christ.

[30] The fucking weirdest thing is that's normal.

[31] That's normal.

[32] That's very normal.

[33] But society's so removed from it now.

[34] Well, if you're out there, it's normal to get false charged by a grizzly bear.

[35] Yeah, you're living with nature.

[36] Yeah.

[37] It's one good reason to not fucking be out there.

[38] I was talking with Kim about this.

[39] We hiked into the back of Montana to the spot that's usually got a bunch of grizzly bears that I go to.

[40] and we're talking about you how you won't come out to Australia hunting because you're just scared of everything.

[41] The difference is when you're walking around the mountains here, it can happen at any point because fucking grizzly bears have got feet.

[42] They walk on land.

[43] In Australia, you pretty much have to go into the water.

[44] So you're only worried about that when you go to collect water or you're thinking about having a wash or something.

[45] Here, it's full time.

[46] For whatever reason, it doesn't bother me as much to get killed and eaten by a bear than it does a giant saltwater crocodile.

[47] It should.

[48] I reckon the crocodile would be nicer.

[49] What?

[50] Yeah, it'd be nicer.

[51] It'd like grab you, drag you down.

[52] You'd drown anyway, you know, and then it would do what it wants with you.

[53] A grizzly bear is going to fucking maw you, scratch your face off, bite your neck, take chunks out of you.

[54] It's going to be longer, dude.

[55] Yeah, but it's American.

[56] We don't want no foreign shit eating us.

[57] Yeah, I ain't fucking no foreign is eating me. There's something about, uh, gritty.

[58] grizzly bears that's most terrifying things that they just eat you they don't kill you first they just hold you down to start eating you yeah yeah they treat you the same way they treat a salmon you know you see them hold down salmon and they take big bites out of it they don't make sure they there's no nice thought behind it you know it's like yeah i'll finish it off first and then yeah did you see the mountain line that i end up hunting yes i did yeah and like mountain lions usually kill their prey but obviously grabbed the calf and it was eating this calf while it was still alive like a beef cow calf yeah i saw the video Yeah, pretty disturbing.

[59] And then I seen one not long ago, someone shared with me with a mountain lion dragon, a mule deer down.

[60] It's like chomping on this mule deer before it actually dies, you know, and it's like, there's just not that thought process there.

[61] There's not that human, you know.

[62] No, as long as they make sure that they have it as a meal and it's not going anywhere, they'll just start eating.

[63] It's done, yeah.

[64] Yeah, wolves do the same thing.

[65] Some friends were elk hunting, and they came across this elk who these wolves had torn.

[66] the back legs apart and it was in the river and the wolves were eating it while it was in the river and the thing was moaning and screaming it couldn't go anywhere yeah bull elk yeah in the in the water and they just pretty pretty horrible for us but you know not you don't give a fuck standard for them yeah have you encountered any wolves when you're out there yeah plenty of times yeah the first time i went to canada was northwest territories and there was a pack of wolves that they were chasing a caribou bull and they pretty much chased this thing to like a lava or a sweat you know like this is in winter so the bull the caribou bull got really hot and they chased it into the freezing cold river and they sort of surrounded it in the river and then they just left it and they walked off you know and it wasn't that they were walking away from their kill they knew the job was done the wolves went back up high and they got onto these rocky benches and sat in the sun and were like drying out their selves and cool them down and drying out.

[67] And this caribou never left the river.

[68] It was like just quivering in the river.

[69] And then that afternoon when we come back, that caribou was just a carcass with like flesh hanging off the ribs on the side of the river.

[70] So they come back down once the river had done his job and ate on.

[71] Wow.

[72] Smart as hell, eh?

[73] That's really crazy that that intelligent that they know it's over.

[74] They're like, oh, okay, he's in the water.

[75] He's in the water.

[76] Let's just, let's go dry off.

[77] Yeah.

[78] Yeah.

[79] That has bananas.

[80] Yeah, crazy.

[81] They're so wise.

[82] People that I know, that have seen them in the forest say they look at you a different way.

[83] They look at you.

[84] There's a way they look through you.

[85] They look at you in a way like, almost like, they think that that's the reason why that the myth of the werewolf exists is that people that have these terrifying encounters with wolves, they swear that it's part human.

[86] Yeah, because you make.

[87] Like peas and into you.

[88] Yeah, they're looking into you.

[89] They're figuring you out, you know?

[90] You've got to think what it would be like if you're just out there, you know, if you're lucky, live five years old.

[91] you get this hard scrabble life out there chasing much larger animals than you and you've got to kill them with your face make it happen or die yeah crazy i had a pack of like 30 wolves this last trip that i was in bc and they kept coming around camp we had horses and that in camp and um one day i ventured out to try and get on to them and get a better look at them and they just without seeing me they just kept this perfect range you know Like, they'd howl back to me. I was trying to call them in.

[92] I was howl, and they'd just keep this perfect range.

[93] And you could tell the whole time they'll communicate.

[94] Because there'd be another wolf for a couple of wolves that were like a couple of miles in the other direction.

[95] And you could hear them moving the same pattern that the rest of these wolves were.

[96] And I got eyes on them from a distance.

[97] They walked across an ice lake.

[98] And other than that, I'd never really seen them.

[99] But I guarantee you those wolves looked at me a bunch of times.

[100] Like, they're just a different hunter, dude.

[101] Yeah.

[102] They're probably just trying to figure out what they can do with you.

[103] Yeah, such an eerie feeling too.

[104] So it's like snow and it's like way in the back country of British Columbia.

[105] And like I'm going up on these mountains.

[106] It's like big pine trees and everything like that.

[107] And just every direction around your howling, dude.

[108] You'd hear them howl and you'd hear them do.

[109] It sounds like a bark.

[110] It's not like this short howl.

[111] And then every now and then you'd hear one howl different.

[112] And you could tell that that was the alpha.

[113] there's the sound that it was letting out dude was like eerie and awesome place to be if you're in the nature like crazy place to be if you're not into nature fucking your nightmare like yeah well the thing about them that's so fascinating about them is they're cooperative and they almost they know what to do without without even communicating they know what to do they have plans and strategies they know how to how to box someone in and circle around like if an animal's running in a certain direction, they get out in front of it.

[114] They know what to do.

[115] Yeah, they know what to do, yeah.

[116] So there end up being a set of caribou tracks that I end up getting onto and following, and every wolf track was a certain, you know, section apart from that, and they were funneling it into this big drainage.

[117] I had to end up returning back to camp because it was getting dark, but I would have loved to have kept following and seen if they actually, like, they're efficient.

[118] Yeah.

[119] Good chance they end up catching that caribou, you know, and killing it.

[120] Yeah.

[121] Well, it's really interesting seeing them adapt.

[122] to once in 1994, when they got reintroduced to Yellowstone, seeing them re -adapt to the whole west and really expand and kind of taken over.

[123] They dominated it.

[124] Yeah, that's crazy.

[125] We were talking recently about Wyoming.

[126] There was this one surplus kill.

[127] These wolves had run across a bunch of cows, elk cows, and they'd kill like the 18 of them.

[128] Just killed them.

[129] Just slaughtering.

[130] Yeah, they caught them, I think, in high snow.

[131] They couldn't get away And so these wolves Just one after another Just killed them all And didn't even eat them Good practice I think it's good practice And I also think While it's snowy out They probably figured Look we'll come back to this Yeah Leave it in a pile Oh for sure Yeah It's that whole Nothing ever goes to waste I suppose if they don't eat it Then the grizzly eats it If the grizzly don't eat it Birds are eating Badger's eaten There's something eating it Yeah that's a fact Yeah an animal Like I mean even if a hunter Hits an animal And doesn't recover it That's not going to waste.

[132] No, no, that's right.

[133] Everything goes back to the earth.

[134] I think we've spoken about this before, you know.

[135] Like the world's the ultimate predator.

[136] Like everything's fuel in the world, you know, the growth on the earth.

[137] Yeah, it really is just a fascinating cycle when you're out there and you realize that it doesn't care about 4G or cities or cars.

[138] I'm on LTE, pro.

[139] 4G is shit.

[140] I remember when 4G was good.

[141] 3G.

[142] 4G LTE.

[143] Yeah, that's the one.

[144] That's the good one.

[145] Yeah, yeah.

[146] When you're out there in the woods and you're doing these live streams or these Instagram stories, how are you hooking up when you're out there?

[147] Some of them are saved.

[148] So some of them are like, I think that last year when I did the solo hike for the Arnhem Land, like the Northern Territory of Australia, that was like a 13 day delay, I think, where every day I was still documenting it.

[149] But it wasn't until that I got back into civilization that I was.

[150] uploading it each day.

[151] So when you do it on your phone, it just saves it on the phone?

[152] I'm just filming it in the normal camera mode and then uploading it.

[153] But a lot of places, especially here in the US, when you're up high, like usually I've got a decent reception.

[154] I'll do a little bit of research, what's the best provider in the area, AT, you know, Verizon, whatever it is.

[155] And I'll end up getting a SIM card for that, you know, provider.

[156] And then usually if I'm up high, it's not too bad.

[157] But it just depends where you are.

[158] Like that country would be.

[159] DC, nothing could all.

[160] Oh, yeah, there's nothing up there.

[161] Yeah.

[162] Northern Territory, Australia, like Arnhem Land, like nothing at all.

[163] Yeah.

[164] What about satellite?

[165] You can't upload data really well from satellite.

[166] Oh.

[167] Yeah, that's the issue.

[168] And if you could, you'd want to be freaking rich because it would charge you an arm and a leg.

[169] Yeah.

[170] Yeah, I saw these things at REI.

[171] You put them on your backpack.

[172] It's like an extender.

[173] Okay, yeah.

[174] And it somehow another extends your cell phone range.

[175] I used to use them back in the olden days.

[176] Are they legit?

[177] the ones in Australia were that was 3G like Telstra 3G that's our provider back home they were pretty good but you'd have like a big Antera and hanging off your back and I'm not that into it yeah it wasn't that bad it was like the size of this caveman in a truck hand it wasn't uh yeah pretty small yeah it would just clip on and I don't remember exactly the mechanism behind it that'd be handy yeah if I'm just trying to communicate with home I've got like a Garman in reach sort of thing and you can do you do text off your phone because it like actually goes into your phone but as far as data goes it's too slow to do something like insta stories right right well one day wasn't it uh mark zuckerberg wasn't he trying to like put satellites in space to make internet for the whole world yeah it feels like we need it they stopped doing that they stopped doing that once congress started going i know i know for sure one of them they had in a one of the tesler rockets that went up that exploded I'm pretty remember one one didn't make it or something like that yeah SpaceX and they had stuff in that one I believe I don't think that's ruined it but it probably put a big like halt on the yeah that makes sense I always think how you can be so much unorganized now like we've work and stuff because of where phones and that are but I remember like in the construction industry that morning that you left to work you had to be highly friggin organized because it wasn't you had to go back to a pay phone if you wanted to call someone no one wanted to do that especially from a work site that now it's just that whole i just remember when emails come on the phone i was like holy shit i can save some time now like that was a massive breakthrough for business being able to do that and then but it's also nice to step away from that every now and then like some hunts i'm really looking forward to going to because there isn't any reception you know and you get away from emails business work phone calls all the shit it's just you on nature you know yeah it's sort of nice to be like that.

[178] Well, just even life, I think we're all spending too much time on our phones, too much time being connected.

[179] And two of my friends, Ari Shafir and Burt Kreischer, hired companies to take over their social media.

[180] Yeah?

[181] They don't look at their social media at all.

[182] What they do is they'll post something by sending it to them.

[183] Like, say if he has a tour coming up, like, hey, you know, I'm going to be in Sacramento, blah, blah, blah, he sends it to them, they take that, they put it up, he doesn't see it at all.

[184] He doesn't pay attention to a second of it.

[185] That sort of sounds noise.

[186] Yeah, I'm thinking it does.

[187] You know, I've been better at it over the last, like, a couple months than I ever have before, but just leaving the phone alone and not touching it and just hanging out.

[188] Yeah, I'll do certain posts where I don't even look back on it.

[189] It's just like, cool.

[190] Post it, the contents out there.

[191] If people want to look at it, they can look at it if they don't want to look at it, change the channel going to look at something different.

[192] But then every now and then there's one that I like to look at.

[193] the engagement with and stuff like that which is good yeah but you know there's always like there's 10 % fuckwits out there that it's true there's like 10 % so i've been looking at it i don't even think it's that high i don't think it's how many followers you got like how many people would tune into an instagram post of yours each day i don't know just a guess i have a couple of hundred thousand at least i have 5 .5 million instagram followers okay so say one percent of them wakes up on the wrong side of the Yeah.

[194] Just 1 % wakes up on the wrong side of the bed and wants to be fucking mouthy that morning.

[195] That's a lot of people.

[196] And then your post is the first post they see.

[197] You're going to get some shit there.

[198] And, you know, we're all ignorant if we think that everyone's just going to get along.

[199] Like, that's never going to fucking happen, is it?

[200] And it's never happened.

[201] But I feel like it's getting worse.

[202] Really?

[203] Yeah, because there's, you can't punch someone in the face anymore.

[204] Like, it's true.

[205] If someone gets mouthy, especially in Australia, it was only going back so many years ago.

[206] If someone gets Malfi, you confront them.

[207] And if they want to go at it, let's go at it.

[208] I'll get in trouble if I do that now.

[209] You know, you're the one that gets in trouble.

[210] Even though they're being a smart ass, now you're the one that gets in trouble.

[211] So you can't do that.

[212] And people know that.

[213] So they get Malfier.

[214] There's no repercussions for calling someone a fucking cun on Instagram.

[215] That's true.

[216] Like, I'm not in favor of people running around punching people, but I am, I do like the way it turns out.

[217] I do too.

[218] People realize that you can't just be an asshole.

[219] Imagine when you were in school and say you don't get along with someone and they get mouthy and then you have a fire.

[220] You usually ended up friends after it.

[221] A lot of the times you ended up friends over it or mass beef.

[222] Yeah, yeah.

[223] But a lot of the times it was just sorted out then and it was done, you know, and then other people knew not to talk shit.

[224] Yeah, well, it's a weird thing like when you see UFC fights where guys fucking hate each other and they beat the shit out of each other.

[225] And then afterwards they're hugging.

[226] Yeah, yeah, I know.

[227] It's a weird thing with men.

[228] Like sometimes you just need to get it out of your system.

[229] Yeah, I think it's fucking, it's primal.

[230] It's like human nature.

[231] It's definitely too easy to be shitty to people.

[232] It's too easy.

[233] And people don't, it's also so new.

[234] The other thing is it's so new.

[235] I mean, any kind of internet interaction is only 20 years old.

[236] That's it.

[237] Yeah.

[238] Basically, 24 years.

[239] I think I was online in 94 and it was like a 56K modem.

[240] It was slow as shit Might not have been 56K It might have been 144 And it was You know Where you would use it Through the phone line And we'd go Yeah It was shit I was but we thought it was great Back then We were like This is amazing We thought it was the most Incredible thing I remember I showed up To news radio One day The sitcom that I was on And I couldn't wait To tell these people About how I got online Last night And I was Downloading all these things And printing them I was printing up it was all about UFOs.

[241] I was really into UFOs back then and I was reading all these files about UFOs like government reports about UFOs.

[242] I'd somehow or not have found some, I don't know what the fuck it was, a message board or something that you could get.

[243] And I was so obsessed.

[244] That's a big deal.

[245] It was such a big deal.

[246] It would take so long to download one piece of paper.

[247] Like one piece of paper that was filled with text would take like 30 seconds to download.

[248] Yeah.

[249] crazy that's crazy yeah and now we're here and I'm like if I've got three G four bars I'm like what the fuck yeah I know you're mad yeah it's like this is so slow well the what's uh you know telling your kids or about the virtual reality setup that we have back there that disturbs me that disturbs me it doesn't disturb me that you know it's bad for you anything like that it's so fun and it's so immersive and I know and I know where it's going I'm like, it's going to keep getting better and better, just like it was 30 seconds to download just a simple piece of paper filled with text, you know, 20 years ago, 20 years from now, that is going to look like crayons.

[250] Oh, totally.

[251] I mean, but that is, you've got to put that thing on.

[252] You're going to freak out.

[253] There's some archery games, too.

[254] Is there?

[255] Yeah, yeah, there's a bunch of them.

[256] It's pretty cool.

[257] You actually have, it's called heaptic feedback.

[258] So as you draw the bow back, you actually feel like a vibration in the hand, like, Yep, yep.

[259] And then you let go like that.

[260] Tesla suit.

[261] Jesus Christ, Tesla.

[262] Wow.

[263] It's not the same company.

[264] What?

[265] They're just calling it that.

[266] Fuck you.

[267] As far as I know.

[268] Fuck you.

[269] Fuck you other company.

[270] Tesla suit unveiled at CES 2019.

[271] Takes virtual reality to new heights.

[272] Yeah, they're going to have haptic feedback suits.

[273] Is that what it is?

[274] Yeah, there's like 68 sensors in there and you can supposedly feel like up to rain, I guess.

[275] Put one right.

[276] So you get shot and you feel where it cracks.

[277] Girls are going to put it right on their pussy in.

[278] They're just going to keep shooting themselves.

[279] You could have come home.

[280] Your girl's going to have a haptic feedback suit on and one of them artificial machine guns.

[281] There you go.

[282] It's going to wreck reality.

[283] It's a video of a girl doing it.

[284] She can't say...

[285] Does she get shocked?

[286] No, but there's a couple of different things.

[287] This is just a test, but she takes, like, a hard front kick to the chest here.

[288] What?

[289] Yeah.

[290] I mean, I don't know how it felt to her.

[291] Okay, let's see hard front kick to the chest.

[292] Hard explosion.

[293] Right back here.

[294] Here, actually, I did it early.

[295] Okay, I was looking around.

[296] Oh, on kick, here goes nothing.

[297] Oh, okay.

[298] It's not that hard.

[299] It's not your kick.

[300] It wasn't that hard, but I did feel it right here.

[301] Hard explosion.

[302] Oh, do I really want to try?

[303] Yes, I do.

[304] Oh, I just did that to myself.

[305] Well, there's a boxing game that you can play.

[306] It's really cool.

[307] And the boxing game, you see this guy in front of you, like a big, 3D cartoon really but really cool graphics and when he punches you the whole screen goes bright like you like you get your bells on it makes you nervous yeah yeah like when i'm when i'm sparring with him and he he punches me i'm like oh geez got to get my hands up i got it feels real and you get exhausted because you're moving around you're punching just it's harder believe it or not to punch air than is to punch something oh definitely yeah yeah because you get tired yeah you get tired easier.

[308] So you throw in your hands of this thing and, you know, you're, and then she goes down, you're like, ah, ha, and it gets back up, your feet hurt from moving around, squeaking around on the floor.

[309] It's really interesting.

[310] Yeah.

[311] Yeah.

[312] So there's for sure going to be a weird world for our kids.

[313] When they get to be, you know, our age, the world is going to be unrecognizable.

[314] Yeah, I feel like it's taking the edge of things too.

[315] It has.

[316] It really takes the edge of things.

[317] like you haven't actually done that like you haven't actually climbed Everest but I sort of have I did it in a virtual reality game and it was not really though not really though you know you didn't have your life wasn't at stake yeah yeah exactly yeah I've been actually talking about this on stage that I'm worried about this I'm worried about people being able to have experiences that they didn't earn you know like if if someone if if there's a virtual reality game where you you play it and all of a sudden you're in a NASCAR and you're you know you're winning some gigantic race.

[318] You're in the driver's seat and your move shifting the gears and you mean feels like you're like indiscernible from feeling like you're winning a race.

[319] That's going to happen.

[320] They're going to be able to do all these different things and it's going to it's going to make people more and more dependent on technology and weaker and weaker physically.

[321] Waker and weaker.

[322] That's how I feel too.

[323] Yeah.

[324] Yeah.

[325] It's like it's like going to the gym and working out and getting all these muscles but then moving away from any manual labor.

[326] Yeah.

[327] You know what I mean and not i'm not saying don't be fit but i'm saying if you're building their muscles fucking use them that is true there's a lot of guys that go to the gym and they they'll work out hard for 45 minutes an hour to gym but make them work a construction site yeah they carry lumber all day and dig they'll be fucking complaining looking for protein shakes and yeah burning out you know the real the real problem is going to be sex yeah that's the real problem you're going to be able to put those things on have sex with anybody you want Like anybody, Scarlet Johanssen That's fucking weird So they're already doing these things Where they face swap with computers So they take beautiful actresses And they put their face on porn star's bodies And it's hard to tell man I mean it looks like A sex tape with a famous actress That's disturbing It is disturbing I wonder if there's a Joe Rogan one I'm sure there is So There is now We mentioned it And it's probably the gayest thing That's ever lived But I think the real worry is that not just like see it but do it yeah like the you're going to be able to like the matrix you're going to be able to put this on and you're going to be able to like this heptic feedback suit that's just one step eventually they're going to figure out a way to make your body feel it and then you're going to you're going to be able to have sex with people done yeah yeah like anybody you you want like you're never going to have to be nice to people again yeah because everybody's going to fuck you you know that's one of my my point was kind of on stage is that like One of the reasons why it's hard, like, it's hard to have sex with people.

[328] Like, you have to plan it out.

[329] I mean, it's not that hard, but it's, you know, you have to agree that you like each other.

[330] You know, you have to hope that she likes you and you like her or whatever.

[331] And there's, you develop your personality, like, to get people to like you more.

[332] Yeah.

[333] That way it's more likely.

[334] You be a nicer person.

[335] You get rewarded for that.

[336] You realize, oh, it's nice to be a nice person.

[337] And then it actually makes you a nicer person.

[338] If you don't have to do that in the future, we're going to be...

[339] People are dressing a certain way and trying to keep hygienic and be nice.

[340] And then, yeah, everyone just turns into a fucking slob because they're going to sleep with some pretty actress anyway.

[341] Oh, yeah.

[342] And in that virtual reality, they're going to look like Ryan Reynolds anyway.

[343] You're going to have a full six -pack and look beautiful.

[344] And then other people are going to meet you in there.

[345] They're also going to be...

[346] I mean, you're going to have some disgusting human beings.

[347] And then in that world, they're going to be perfect.

[348] Yeah.

[349] But then there'll be people like me that I'm like, no, I'm...

[350] traditional.

[351] I sleep with real real people.

[352] Real people.

[353] Real humans.

[354] Yeah, exactly.

[355] That's going to be old school.

[356] That's going to be like riding a bike.

[357] Yeah.

[358] What are you doing?

[359] What's he doing?

[360] What do you walk everywhere?

[361] It's crazy.

[362] Yeah, I just I posted a photo, uh, video actually, which is like 700 images stacked together at a Joshua tree.

[363] Oh, I saw that.

[364] Yeah.

[365] And it's like the Milky Way cruising past, but then there's just the air traffic dude is insane.

[366] It's just like constant.

[367] Yeah.

[368] You know, I'm like, anyone look at in this must already look like the future you know it must look so futuristic already and i'm like well it sort of is maybe this like we're living in it now here it is yeah look at the air traffic it takes it about this point here look at them all just back and forth and that's all air traffic none of that is asteroids nope every bit of that's air traffic wow that's such an amazing image man it wasn't until the camera stopped early hours of the more on that there's and for anybody this is uh adam dot green tree on instagram and you still have your photography page first man image yeah first man image first dot man image and these are some amazing photos yeah so that's incredible that's about 300 photos stacked together so you actually get a star trail that's in austral so that's the southern star you know that middle point so that's like the south and then if you go back to uh if you go back to adam dot green tree Jamie that one if you go back to like that star one that's the north star so that that was pretty cool so one's taken from Australia where you got the southern star which is like you know the turning point and then this is from America like Joshua Tree there California and that's like the northern star I think Joshua Tree is closed down right now because of the I don't people like did the federal shutdown affect you at all I'm like no I didn't even know about it until you mentioned it just then.

[369] Yeah, it's going to be a while, too.

[370] Really?

[371] Yeah, I think didn't they shut down Joshua Tree because people were going in and shut and they were chopping trees down.

[372] It wasn't just because of the trash.

[373] It started because of the trash and then over the last week people were actually going in and like chopping some trees down.

[374] So, super assholes.

[375] Yeah, right.

[376] So there was signs up that it was closed and I wasn't actually can't in Joshua Tree itself.

[377] I was like out of the tourist section just off the side of the road where I could.

[378] But someone was saying about you know that the government or whatever the federal government you know with all the trash but the federal government's not leaving the fucking trash there that's people signature trees are among the shutdown victims wow wow there's only a few trees in Joshua tree and these people are chopping them down just to be dicks because they know there's no one there they're probably trying to collect something from it but they're just probably trying to be assholes god damn it and that is It's a massive place too It says there It's larger than Rhode Island Yeah It's beautiful once you get out there That's a real shame You know this is the thing about people That don't spend much time In the wilderness And don't appreciate the wilderness They don't they don't They just well they're not connected to it They don't understand So I heard a bunch of people in the city Because you know I spent the last five six days here in LA You know And the bad weather's come in They're like oh this is disgusting weather And I'm like fuck no The bush is loving this The earth's loving this You need rain, especially after all these horrible fires that you had.

[379] Like, rain's a good thing.

[380] They're just so complaining.

[381] It rains out here literally 10 days a year.

[382] Yeah, yeah.

[383] 10 days a year is normal.

[384] Yeah.

[385] I mean, I might be exaggerating, I might be exaggerating, but slightly.

[386] Like, I wouldn't, I don't imagine it rains more than 50 days a year on here.

[387] Yeah, crazy.

[388] I think that's, no. That's not exaggerating, right?

[389] 10's probably about right, yeah, I feel like.

[390] Nah.

[391] Since I've lived here.

[392] Let's say, guess.

[393] It might be a little more of the drought time, but.

[394] Let's take a guess.

[395] How many days a year on average does it run in LA?

[396] I'm going to say 25.

[397] 25 days a year.

[398] 16.

[399] 16, I bet you're right.

[400] That's two per month.

[401] That's a lot.

[402] Yeah, but sometimes it's a bunch together.

[403] Like this is like seven already so far in the last week and a half.

[404] Let's bet on it.

[405] I'll bet you that Kanye doll.

[406] No fucking way, bro.

[407] Oh, shout out to...

[408] Shout out to Plastasel.

[409] That's cool.

[410] This dope -ass Kanye West doll.

[411] It says rain days is 35.

[412] Damn.

[413] You're closer.

[414] You can keep con you.

[415] I don't know.

[416] This is it's tough to get.

[417] They should have like an average.

[418] 484 sunny days per year.

[419] It just means, yeah, I don't know.

[420] 39 inches per year.

[421] It's tough to figure that out.

[422] 39 inches per year is not a lot though.

[423] So the problem is it's California, right?

[424] It's like northern California fucking rains every day.

[425] Like if you go like near the redwood forest, that's a, that's a rainforest.

[426] Yeah, yeah.

[427] It was rains constantly.

[428] we spent some time up in Medicino.

[429] It's beautiful, man. Right by the ocean.

[430] Fucking trees are so big, they're stupid.

[431] It doesn't even make sense.

[432] You get trees as big as this room.

[433] Yeah.

[434] You're standing there going, how old is this?

[435] Yeah, oh, this is a 2 ,000 -year -old tree.

[436] Yeah.

[437] You're in a desert stretch.

[438] Yeah.

[439] Yeah.

[440] Like a thousand -year -old tree is like a normal tree up there.

[441] Yeah.

[442] I've noticed around the city there's a lot of Australian natives, like gum trees and eucalyptus and stuff like that.

[443] Yeah, yeah.

[444] There's a lot of that.

[445] Well, they must have been imported at some point and just realize they do well in the harsh conditions.

[446] Well, you know, the palm tree is sort of the Hollywood signature tree.

[447] That shit's from Hawaii.

[448] Yeah.

[449] But they look good.

[450] But it's just so funny that like that's sort of indicative of what California is.

[451] Like we don't we don't have a real.

[452] Yeah.

[453] It's just the diversity.

[454] I mean, everything comes from somewhere else here.

[455] There's no like native Los Angeles people.

[456] You meet one of those and you're like, whoa.

[457] Like you're a test tube baby or something.

[458] Yeah, yeah.

[459] Where you're from?

[460] Yeah.

[461] Frucking Disneyland dude.

[462] I was going at Disneyland.

[463] My dad is goofy.

[464] What's it like wandering around there from Australia?

[465] That's hectic.

[466] So especially like, because everything I do is like wilderness and out.

[467] Like I adapt fine.

[468] Like that's not an issue, but I don't like it.

[469] Just because I adapt doesn't mean I like it.

[470] But Disney's a different place.

[471] Like I went in there yesterday like fucking dressed as a man, you know, jeans on, a flannelette shirt, you know, and a chemo cap and walking around.

[472] And then the kids talk me in to go on to that.

[473] what's the splash mountain splash mountain and my eldest is like sit in the front dad it's the place you'll you won't get so wet in the front and I'm like okay cool and I jumped in the front and we come down and I'm like I'm fucking yelling so my mouth is open dude I nearly fucking drowned I swallowed that much water I'm like fuck I've got AIDS for sure this is fucked so a whole gollet went in my mouth fucking soak me drench me and then it was cold dude it come over cold so I've walked around Disney for the morning I'm thinking, like, look at these fucking fruit loops and the way they're dressed and all their Disney clothes.

[474] The only clothes you can buy in there is fucking Disney clothes.

[475] I'm wearing, it was pajama pants with fucking Mickey Mouse's head all over them.

[476] This fucking, this shirt that's got Disney fucking written all over it, fucking walking around there, like, I fitted perfectly in after that.

[477] And it's like fucking, I actually look like fucking, who's the owner of Disney?

[478] Walt Disney?

[479] It fucking shot his load all over me doing this fucking Mickey Mouse and shit.

[480] all over me. Well, we were there the other day.

[481] They have a warming station set up outside of Splash Mountain where you can step into this like, it looks like a phone booth and you get warmed up.

[482] But it costs money.

[483] Yeah, everything costs money in Disney.

[484] Yeah, but that I'm like, Jesus Christ, you can't get people wet and then charge them to dry off.

[485] That's fucking brutal.

[486] Yeah.

[487] Yeah, I think it's all fucking a bit of a scam.

[488] It is, but let me tell you.

[489] Oh, it's an amazing place.

[490] It's a lot.

[491] Oh, 100%.

[492] My kids went mental on those rides.

[493] Have you been to Florida yet?

[494] Yeah, six years ago, I went to Florida, yeah.

[495] When you go to Florida again, you've got to go to Disney World.

[496] Disney World is way better than Disney.

[497] Yeah, I think we went there.

[498] We end up going there, yeah.

[499] I would say it's way better, because Disneyland's pretty amazing.

[500] But Disney World has the best ride of all time.

[501] They have this Avatar ride.

[502] What is it called?

[503] Flights of Passage, I think.

[504] Flights of Passage.

[505] And you ride one of them Avatar Dragons.

[506] It's all virtual reality.

[507] You put these goggles on, and you climb on this thing it looks like a motorcycle and it straps you in place and what you're riding is one of them giant dragons from Avatar.

[508] It's fucking incredible, dude.

[509] It's the best ride of all time.

[510] I sent a bunch of friends there and I get text messages back from like, holy fucking shit.

[511] I'm like, yeah.

[512] Yeah, you're there.

[513] No joke.

[514] Yeah, you feel the breeze, you smell things there.

[515] You see these animals you're flying over.

[516] It's wild.

[517] It's all HD.

[518] Three -dimensional.

[519] Amazing.

[520] God damn, it's good.

[521] Yeah, now I'll stick to hunting in camp and shit.

[522] Well, at the end of the day, Steve Ronella said it best.

[523] This is a quote that he said that I think he was talking about someone else told him this, that there's two different kinds of fun.

[524] This fun that you have while it's happening, like you ride the roller coaster, it's fun.

[525] But you don't look back on five years from now and go, that was amazing.

[526] But then there's things that suck while you're doing them.

[527] like your 28 day trip in the Rocky Mountains pointing a gun that you don't even know has a jammed bullet in it and a grizzly is charging at you like that will be fun for the rest of your life Oh totally yeah yeah You'll feel that when you bring it back When you talk about it Yeah there's like shallow fun Oh it's some things are just shallow But they're cool to do There's nothing wrong with doing them Yeah But they're just they're not real meaningful Exactly And then there's shit that you do That's just really meaningful You know It builds character It's something that you always look back on, you know, memories and shit.

[528] But there's feelings that you get when you come back, too, where you appreciate things.

[529] Like, Callan and I did this trip with Ronella in Prince of Wales, and we were up there for, we were supposed to be up there, I think, for seven days.

[530] But on the sixth day, a storm was coming in, and so we wound up bailing early because I had a gig in two days.

[531] And otherwise, I would have been stuck up there.

[532] Like, you get stuck.

[533] It rained every fucking day.

[534] And it didn't just rain every fucking day.

[535] day.

[536] It rained all day.

[537] Every day.

[538] There was no, there was, like, if you had a break, it was a five -minute break.

[539] Yeah.

[540] Like, with, oh, look, the sun, and then, it's raining again.

[541] So inside the, the tent, I put my headlamp on, and there was, see, this is what fucks you up.

[542] You think, well, when I'm inside the tent, I'll be dry.

[543] No. No, there's no dry, because the air's wet.

[544] And when I turned my headlamp on, I realized the entire inside of the tent was moisture particles.

[545] floating around the air and I was like fuck me I'm in this wet down bag and I'm looking around I'm like you're never going to get dry bro it's okay but you know you accept it but then when we came home after the six days and I took a shower and then I was we were in the car and it was sunny out and I was like God this is the best I've ever felt I'm so happy I don't think you get that happy unless you feel miserable first That's right.

[546] Yeah.

[547] So you know the misery and then so you know the little things that we take for granted in life every day are like fucking wow.

[548] Yeah.

[549] Yeah.

[550] Kim did this hike in Montana with me and it's just like 14 miles and there's just like not a flat bit of ground on it.

[551] It's just continually going up and it's in the snow and she had an issue with a leg.

[552] And anyway, we got up the top and we set up camp and it's just been miserable.

[553] But even a fire there, you know, like we lit the fire and she's fucking smiling.

[554] and she's loving it, you know, and then we come back to the trailer.

[555] Like, we're not even in a housey.

[556] We're just traveling around in like a Winnebogo trailer.

[557] And we get back to the trailer, and you get to flick a light on and turn the tap on and it's hot water.

[558] And she's just like, fuck, yeah, this is awesome.

[559] You know, over the week goes by, and then you start taking that shit for granted again.

[560] Some people do anyway, you know.

[561] Oh, yeah.

[562] Yeah, you certainly can.

[563] But I think a guy like you, you're in the wilderness so often that, you know, it's almost like you have a permanent appreciation.

[564] for both things.

[565] Yeah.

[566] Oh, totally.

[567] Yeah.

[568] I actually miss it.

[569] I actually don't like this side of life as much as that side of life.

[570] Yeah, I see it.

[571] I get it.

[572] I like both.

[573] Obviously, I need, I mean, I make a living in cities.

[574] Yeah, yeah.

[575] Oh, for sure.

[576] Yeah, that's what I do.

[577] But it's nice to go out and dabble in it, live in it and come back out of it, 100%.

[578] I love it.

[579] The few hunting trips that I get to do a year, when I'm out in the actual wilderness wilderness, like when we're in the mountains of Utah, elk hunting, I just like sitting down sometimes.

[580] Just sit down and take it all in for a couple minutes.

[581] I mean, even though you're in the middle of it, and you're running around looking for elk and you hear them, I just like, look how quiet it is.

[582] Oh, it's the best.

[583] You start knowing yourself, you know, and you start knowing the wilderness in the real world.

[584] You know, it's like, because you always say, as you said on one of the podcast, I don't know if it was one with me or someone else, that it's so funny that we say the outdoors, because everything's outdoors, like, everything's under the ceiling of the earth you know that's what it really is yeah but it's so weird that you don't really know the outdoors unless you stay out in the wilderness or something like that yeah unless you and i think also being out there at night there's something about being out there at night boy the campfire and you hear things like what was that fuck for that you're looking around yeah he just seems and the campfire somehow another seems to be able to protect you yeah most animals don't want to fuck with campfires yeah yeah exactly like yeah yeah i'm gonna stay Me, I took Kim and the kids.

[585] We traveled around Australia and, it must have been the end of 2007 and early last year.

[586] And we camped out on the Tanami Desert, which is like one of the last places to really be discovered and explored in Australia.

[587] Like there's no artificial lights out there at all, like whatsoever.

[588] And we camped out on the desert.

[589] And anything that was around us was like dingoes and camels.

[590] Like you'd hear them moving through the night.

[591] Camels.

[592] Yeah, yeah.

[593] But we sat there.

[594] At camp, I just had my truck, my Ute, you know, with the camper on the back, like real lightweight set up and we sat there, no lights on on the camper or anything.

[595] So you're sitting in the pitch black, moonless night.

[596] And the medias, dude, like, I reckon we counted 40, 50 medias over like half hour an hour.

[597] Yeah, they're always flying in.

[598] The naked eye, seeing them perfect, dude, sitting there with the family.

[599] And I'm like, this is the best.

[600] Like, this is so, it was so amazing just to sit there, especially with the kids.

[601] and Kim as well.

[602] It's a little unnerving when you find out how many times they enter the atmosphere.

[603] Oh, yeah.

[604] There's a, I think it's...

[605] How many of them are out there?

[606] Yeah, Jamie could probably look this up, but I think 100 tons of media hits the earth every single day.

[607] 100 tons, dude, but most of it enters in dust form because it breaks up.

[608] But, so last year, I was up at my cabin just chilling out by myself, woke up in the morning, needed to do a pierce walked out, and I'm, looking up and this media come through and it was so bright that it actually lit up the ground dude like the most incredible media that i've seen i had a time lapse photo going in the opposite direction i quickly turned it around and you see that the media's dust for like it lasts for 25 minutes half an hour in the in the camera and it's just drift and change and shape in the atmosphere it was insane wow so it's just like every now and then there's like a real good one so then i started looking it up and I've seen one that wrecked a whole village like in Germany or something like that.

[609] This asteroid comes through wrecking shit that it didn't even touch, but it comes so close to it, it blows the walls and the windows out and everything.

[610] And I'm like, this is fucking scary.

[611] We live on a little speck that's like turning in one of many galaxies, you know.

[612] My friend Randall Carlson put it best, he said we live in the middle of a shooting gallery.

[613] Isn't it insane?

[614] It's just the time, the perspective of, you know, hundreds of millions of years.

[615] years, it doesn't seem, it doesn't register to us because we're only around for a hundred years.

[616] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[617] So when we look up and we see the moon, I mean, the moon looks like a fucking stop sign in the most jankiest redneck town.

[618] You know, and people shoot at signs.

[619] That's the moon looks like.

[620] It's just fucking shot up with holes.

[621] Yeah.

[622] It's just getting nailed all the time, especially with no atmosphere.

[623] All those things make it all the way through.

[624] Nothing gets slowed down by the air or burns up in the atmosphere.

[625] Isn't that crazy?

[626] Everything just slams into it.

[627] Boom, boom, boom.

[628] Imagine being up there.

[629] It must be all day long.

[630] It must be slamming things into it.

[631] It was only, I think it was like 10 ,000 years ago.

[632] There was like a big bang, like a big media hit the earth.

[633] And I started looking into that and then I started really looking into Aborigines in Australia, indigenous, how long they've been around for and stuff like that.

[634] And there's now evidence to say that they've been around for 70 ,000 years.

[635] They live through like three of those big.

[636] media's hit in the earth you know like it's crazy to think about like why didn't I wish we had video cameras back then you know and they could have recorded it and we could look at it now like imagine that well Randall Carlson the guy that I talked about earlier he is a proponent of this theory that this is what ended the ice age and he's got some pretty compelling evidence to back it up in terms of like massive massive fields filled with dead woolly mammoths and died almost instantly, some of them with their legs broken from the force of the impact.

[637] Yeah, he's, you know, it's really interesting because he's a guy who, I don't think he has a degree in this stuff, but he's so well read in it that he has these debates and conversations with people that do have these degrees in it, and he can tell them things about it.

[638] And it's hard in those fields to be taken seriously if you don't have a PhD in whatever discipline it is.

[639] But, man, his work on this.

[640] these things is so compelling, and the podcast that I've did with them are just mind -blowing.

[641] But in terms of, like, the evidence that points to some event that ended the ice age very rapidly and caused the disintegration of the polar, of the ice that was over North America, you know, North America had something like a mile high plus sheet of ice over most of it, just 10 ,000 years ago, 12 ,000 years ago?

[642] I think I was driving through Wyoming, and they've got all these signs up in Wyoming that are really interesting and it was there's a rock formation it will tell you how old that rock formation is how it formed you know because like you know rock usually embeds in layers like this it's formed in layers like this and then you'll see a rock like that you know all the lines are like this there's some of them there that are like hundreds a million years old you know and there's a sign they're showing it and it's just it's incredible to think how much the earth's changed and you just said it we're around for 100 years at a time max you know and it's just like we're a drop in the freaking ocean like even the whole human race is that is a drop in the ocean compared to like how old the earth is and it's just crazy to think of the like it's hard to comprehend that there was that much ice over here because there's none now you know but it's been that long you know and that's yeah it's mind boggling to think of well they find shells in montana i found some on top of friggin some big macer out in the desert dude like there's no water for miles and there's shells there there's there was like starfish fossilized in the rocks and it's all like coral bed you know and that was like that was like the bottom of the ocean that was a reef bed yeah it's the great western inland sea yeah they had sharks out there i think they had megalidons in montana shit they find dinosaurs there all the time one of dudley's friends well dudley knows a guy who has a ranch out there in montana and he found a bone in his uh In his ranch, just maybe something protruding from the ground.

[643] And he wanted someone to get a look at it.

[644] So he got a hold of some, I guess what would you have, paleontologists?

[645] Yeah, yeah.

[646] They went and they said, you got a fucking T -Rex here, bro.

[647] Holy shit.

[648] You're T -Rex on your property.

[649] Unbelievable.

[650] I think they gave him a million dollars for it.

[651] Really?

[652] Yeah, because it's like a fully intact or close to intact T -Rex.

[653] Far out.

[654] Yeah, apparently Montana, Colorado.

[655] What do you got there?

[656] Megalodon was found supposedly in Texas.

[657] Jesus Christ!

[658] What the fuck, man?

[659] That's a fucking great watch shark.

[660] Boy, that's a stupid movie.

[661] The Meg?

[662] The Meg.

[663] Oh, Jesus.

[664] I watched it the other day.

[665] Yeah, I could tell.

[666] I was like, what am I sitting through here?

[667] It's so stupid.

[668] There wasn't just one.

[669] There was a bunch of them.

[670] Spoiler alert.

[671] Can you find out how much media?

[672] Yeah, I was struggling to find that.

[673] And then I think I found what you found.

[674] So it says, here's from NASA's website.

[675] There's 100 tons of dust and sand -sized particles.

[676] Every day.

[677] Hit Earth every day.

[678] Every day.

[679] It seems like it would put the balance of the Earth off.

[680] You know, like it's, you know what I mean?

[681] Like, are we sending shit back out in the space?

[682] Are we sending 100 tons of shit back out in the space every day to offload this?

[683] Look at this.

[684] Every 2 ,000 years or so, a meteoroid, the size of a football field, hits Earth and causes a significant damage to the area.

[685] Finally, once every few million years.

[686] That could be in the next ten minutes.

[687] An object large enough to threaten Earth's civilization comes along.

[688] Not just that.

[689] Bigger than that.

[690] Impact craters on Earth, the moon, and other planetary bodies are evidence of these occurrences.

[691] Yeah, they don't even know.

[692] You know, that's the most spooky thing.

[693] Like Neil deGrasse Tyson said that we are decades away from being able to do anything about one of those things coming our way.

[694] And I said to all these people that think that, They could stop it when it's happening.

[695] He goes, there's nothing you could do.

[696] What about Armageddon, bro?

[697] The movie?

[698] Bruce Willis.

[699] Yeah, we've got to send Bruce Willis up there.

[700] He'll figure it out.

[701] He'll sort it out.

[702] Yeah, there's, people have like a real distorted idea of the technological capabilities in terms of like, first of all, NASA is so under budgeted.

[703] They barely have enough money to put, you know, satellites in orbit.

[704] They don't have enough money to stop asteroids from coming in.

[705] I mean, the amount of money you would need is so fucking massive.

[706] It would take a cooperative joint effort of every major country in the world.

[707] Yeah, and such a force of nature.

[708] And, you know, a force of nature usually can't be fucked with, you know, like, scary.

[709] Well, all they can do, all they think they could do in the, and not even now, but in the future, is move it off target slightly.

[710] Yeah, yeah.

[711] To somehow, I know, they give it a bump, send it into Mars or something.

[712] At a certain distance and it completely misses, yeah.

[713] Cracks a moon instead, darkness, no, it's light for forever.

[714] Yeah.

[715] It's scary.

[716] Space is scary.

[717] And you don't really see space unless you're out there with no light pollution.

[718] I don't think people that don't camp or that don't go out.

[719] You know, you look up at night, like last night, well, not last night, but a couple nights ago when it wasn't raining.

[720] It was a clear night and I saw quite a few stars because it was no moon.

[721] I was like, wow, so pretty.

[722] But it ain't shit.

[723] But you're not seeing the volume of it.

[724] Yeah.

[725] Those photos that you have?

[726] Yeah.

[727] Out at my farm, you can just sit there with the naked eye.

[728] and you can look right into those.

[729] There's so many stars that it looks like a dark spot of the Milky Way because you can see so much of it.

[730] You know, you see a color in it and everything.

[731] It's an amazing spot.

[732] Yeah, the color is weird, right?

[733] What is the color?

[734] What is that?

[735] I don't know.

[736] I looked at some photos other day, not my own photo, someone else's photos.

[737] And they were showing the, like, the raw images.

[738] And the color that was coming out of these raw images, they look like absolute pillars, like painted pillars, dude.

[739] Yeah.

[740] You know, and it's, I don't know, I don't know if it's a depth in it, if it's...

[741] Something like that.

[742] Jamie, go to Adams, the first man, Instagram again, like these, this image, like, the ones of, Oh, look at that one from BC, go down one strip, that one there, that's with the northern lights in it.

[743] Wow.

[744] But, yeah, that's, so no light pollution out there, obviously.

[745] Oh, you saw the northern lights in BC?

[746] I didn't know you could see him in BC.

[747] Yeah.

[748] I thought you had to be in, like, Iceland or some sure.

[749] No, that was cool.

[750] I've seen them, when I was in Northwest Territories, I were lighting up the ground.

[751] Like, and right in front of your eyes, they were just, like, dancing constantly right in front of your eyes.

[752] That was awesome.

[753] In the Northwest Territories of Australia?

[754] No, in Canada.

[755] Oh, okay.

[756] Northern territories of Australia, right?

[757] That's what they call it.

[758] Yeah, northwest is.

[759] Yeah.

[760] Okay.

[761] So where is it at the best, though?

[762] Is it the best place to see it in, like, Iceland or some shit, or Norway?

[763] I don't know.

[764] I don't know.

[765] I've seen it.

[766] So I've seen it in Northwest Territories.

[767] I've seen it in B .C. I don't think, we didn't see it in Alberta when we were there.

[768] No. But I think we had shitty weather while we were there too.

[769] It's got to be a crazy thing to see, though.

[770] It's like green smoke in the sky.

[771] Yeah.

[772] If you go down a couple more, Jamie.

[773] Please.

[774] Silence.

[775] There's the farm go up one.

[776] Yeah, hit that one in the middle there.

[777] Wow.

[778] Look at the color in that one.

[779] Yeah.

[780] God, that's amazing.

[781] And is that, what kind of you have to do?

[782] something with the aperture?

[783] Well, for starters, it's open for longer.

[784] Right.

[785] So it's gathering in more light.

[786] You know, like the human eye, you have to actually lay there in the dark for a fair while and just like stare into that sort of to get a good look at it.

[787] How long is it open to get that image?

[788] That's like 13 or 15 seconds.

[789] Oh, wow.

[790] Yeah.

[791] You can leave it open for 30 seconds or you can put it on like an actual jammed open for a long time, but it's way too much light for what the farm has and you start getting a lot of distortion as well that's such a cool picture with the the cabin as well with the light coming out of the cabin yeah isn't that crazy that there could be infinite earths out there yeah that's what's crazy is that each one of those is a sun yeah and most of them are bigger i mean apparently our son is a little bitch -ass son a little bitch -ass sun thank god for that otherwise it'll be fried oh we just have to be further away yeah exactly but that The big ones don't last that long, apparently.

[792] Our son's a good one.

[793] It's like a, it's like a Toyota Tursale.

[794] It's like a shit -y -y -y -Locs, you mean.

[795] They fucking last, man. High -lux, we don't have that over here.

[796] Yeah, you've got like the coma.

[797] Yeah, high -lux is like a small land cruiser, right?

[798] Yeah, it is, yeah.

[799] You guys got a bunch of wacky cars.

[800] The cruiser's probably better.

[801] I'm about to buy a land cruiser.

[802] That's the high -lux there.

[803] The new land -cruiser?

[804] Yeah.

[805] The trayback, though.

[806] So like a dual cab.

[807] So like five seats.

[808] but it's got a tray on it.

[809] A tray?

[810] You mean like a pickup truck bed?

[811] Like a pickup truck bed, but we usually rip the one that's on it off.

[812] We usually rip the pickup truck bed off because it's like, it's bulky.

[813] You know, there's not a lot of room in it, really.

[814] Usually rip that off and we'll build a steel tray.

[815] So it's like a whole flatbed.

[816] You might call it a flatbed.

[817] And you can just fit a lot more on it.

[818] And it's a lot more rickety.

[819] You know, you can throw firewood rocks on it, whatever the fuck you want well you guys have to have vehicles that you could drive for like a day before you hit a gas station if you're doing that if you're doing those hunts that i do yeah so one of the first things you do is you rip off the fuel tank and you put like an aftermarket fuel tank on it that's usually like twice the capacity yeah or you throw a second fuel tank on it and go from there so i don't know what it is in gallons but like say a fuel tank's like usually 60 liters 20 gallons is what usually the fuel tank is out here well then we'd double it to like 40 or 50 or 60 or something like that right and because there's such a market for it in australia there's a bunch of them that you buy ready that are ready to mount onto your vehicle why is there a market for that in australia because it's fucking hundred miles anywhere that's why um forward driving's like different in australia as well you know it's like so where my business is um the nearest city which is Perth's like 18 hours drive.

[820] You know, and then we feel...

[821] 18 hours drive to the nearest city?

[822] Yeah.

[823] 18 hours?

[824] 18 hours?

[825] What is that, Jamie?

[826] It's too far.

[827] But what would it take us to get...

[828] That's like Colorado?

[829] I've driven across...

[830] I've driven from Ohio to here twice.

[831] And it took 33 hours.

[832] And 24 hours get you from, like, Columbus to about Amarillo, Texas.

[833] 24 hours of straight driving.

[834] Straight driving.

[835] Jesus Christ.

[836] So this is, like, Western Australia is like a massive state.

[837] It goes from the very top of Australia to the very bottom of Australia.

[838] What does it feel like when you get out of the car for 33 hours of driving?

[839] Sucks.

[840] So bad.

[841] The one time we ended at like 4 in the morning right on the sunset strip, right at that hotel at the Hyatt.

[842] Wow.

[843] Like 5 in the morning.

[844] But when you get in L .A. at 4 in the morning, you're right in the traffic again.

[845] You're like, tired of shit.

[846] You're like, oh, it's time to go.

[847] You've got to go because you're about to wreck right at the end of the trip.

[848] But you're pumping congne.

[849] You're pumping congneye the whole way, though.

[850] actually we were yeah keeping awake it's a hellish drive and there's just you know to some people it's nothing the whole way but it's a beautiful country like if you're into the outback you're you're like you're staring out and you're happy the whole time is that a very popular thing to do in australia's to go out into the outback and it is yeah between like four drive and like touring and furious and like we call them the gray nomads so like older people that have retired with gray hair like old mate's beard there Great Nomad?

[851] Young Jamie, I ain't looking so young.

[852] But a gray nomad, we call them, yeah.

[853] They'll get like a tow behind trailer.

[854] Is that a normal description in a grown nomad?

[855] In Australia it is.

[856] So if I said, yeah, we saw these gray nomads out there, people go, okay.

[857] Yeah, don't say it the gray nomads, though.

[858] No?

[859] Oh, true great nomads.

[860] Yeah, yeah.

[861] But if you said it went to the gas station, like, you see anybody out there?

[862] Yeah, we saw some green nomads.

[863] That's normal.

[864] People know what you're saying?

[865] Yeah.

[866] Huh.

[867] Yeah.

[868] Now, do most people that will do this, do they, are, Are they just going out there camping?

[869] Just camping, getting a good influx of the outdoors sort of thing, you know, getting their hit.

[870] It seems like there is quite a bit of hunting in Australia, though, like particularly bow hunting seems to be on the rise.

[871] Yeah, it's just not really promoted well, except for, you know, the bo -hunting community itself.

[872] Whereas you come to America and there's like towns with a big sign up saying welcome hunters, you know, and it's promoted.

[873] Really?

[874] Yeah, it's not, it's like it's not part of it.

[875] our history in Australia, even though it is.

[876] Signs that say welcome hunters?

[877] In America.

[878] Haven't you seen them signs?

[879] Yeah, yeah.

[880] Oh, in Australia, there's none of that.

[881] Oh, yeah, that's what I meant.

[882] So I think it is on the rise, you know, and I think there's like this bit of a trend at the moment, you know, go and kill your own, which is good.

[883] I love that.

[884] Well, especially because Australia has so many non -native species that you can hunt.

[885] Exactly, yeah.

[886] And, I mean, you don't ever have to buy meat in Australia.

[887] No, no. Do you ever buy meat?

[888] if we're eating chicken yeah yeah that's about it but just to mix it up yeah the fridge is full i fill all my friends fridges my family's fridges speaking of chicken what's that mountain lion tastes like fucking delicious that's what i keep hearing it's delicious yeah and people get angry it's so strange to me how angry people get if you kill a mountain line yeah because i think they think that if you kill it it's different than killing a deer or something that's a normal thing to eat yeah Even more than a bear.

[889] Yeah, yeah, it is.

[890] I think they get more angry.

[891] It's their kitty cat.

[892] Meanwhile, that motherfucker will kill you.

[893] Yeah.

[894] I had a bunch of people saying, you know, you shouldn't have killed it.

[895] I don't see mountain lions like I see deer.

[896] I'm fucking no shit.

[897] Because if you've seen mountain lines like you've seen deer, there'd be no deer.

[898] It's as simple as that.

[899] You know, I don't know what the numbers are, but there's probably supposed to be like one mountain line for every 500 deer or something like that.

[900] Yeah.

[901] Well, they eat one a day.

[902] Yeah, that's right.

[903] And they're a sneaky creature.

[904] Yeah.

[905] You know, you're not supposed to.

[906] to see them.

[907] They're not like that.

[908] Listen, you could go your whole life not seeing them and they could be around you all the time.

[909] Yeah, definitely.

[910] That's a fact.

[911] If you live in the wilderness, if you live in Montana or you live in Colorado and you live in the woods, you might see one every few years.

[912] Yeah.

[913] You might.

[914] You might see one every few years.

[915] And they are fucking everywhere.

[916] Yeah, I'll see prints all the time, but I'll never see a cat.

[917] Like, I've actually never seen a cat in the wild except for the one that I hunted.

[918] And that's like that story I was telling you before.

[919] Like, it was eating a calf, but they typically kill a deer every single day.

[920] Yeah.

[921] You know, so.

[922] It's a lot of fucking deer.

[923] The human brain allows us to manage things in a certain way, you know.

[924] And it's like these biologists have put all this study and research in the, you know, going, okay, you can hunt males in this area.

[925] So that's all I could hunt where I was.

[926] I could only shoot a male.

[927] How do you know it's a male?

[928] Well, that's when the dogs come in handy.

[929] So, like, I've always, I've never really wanted to hunt with dogs because I've, like to do all the hunting myself but um there's a special bond between the hunter and the dogs when you're hunting that's for sure and it was actually a really good experience i really loved it but a lot of people frown on using dogs but the best way to to determine the sex is the dogs will track it and the lion will take refuge in a tree and then you can have a look and out of genitals and make sure it's a male with binoculars yeah yeah or sometimes if they're low enough you can tell with the human eye so the first thing we established was well If it was the lion that I wanted the lion that had killed that calf or was eating that calf alive, we end up getting the rancher to come in and he ended up putting the calf out of its misery.

[930] It couldn't be saved.

[931] And then we put the dogs back on that mountain lion track and they chased him about seven miles.

[932] And they end up treying him.

[933] We marched in and hiked into the tree and ended up determining that it was a male.

[934] And then I end up shooting it.

[935] It was a really good death.

[936] It was quick.

[937] But if it was a female, we would have had to have left where we were some states aren't like that and counties aren't like that where it can be male and female if the population is too high what they're trying to do in that part of colorado is just keep that mountain lion population healthy and how they determine that was by shooting males only that could change next year they could have a rise in mountain lion a decrease in the mule deer and other animals so they might change that again but we could only shoot a male so yeah the problem in america um particularly in california where they outlawed hunting with dogs is that the perception of using a dog to go after an animal the perception is that it's not fair but people I mean this is going to be hard for some people especially animal lovers to understand but that is the only effective way to hunt from outlines because there's no way you're going to sneak up on them you're just not that's right you're not going to see them that's where numbers start to bloom and other animals like mule deer and stuff start to plummet which I've heard a lot that's happening in California is the mule deer population just being decimated because there's no control on the mountain lines.

[938] Exactly.

[939] Well, they do have control of the mountain lines, but only government employees kill the mountain lines.

[940] They kill, ironically, the same amount of mountain lines they were killing when they were hunting them.

[941] That is insane.

[942] It's insane.

[943] But instead of people paying money to do it and getting a tag.

[944] Which goes back in the conservation.

[945] And getting to eat the mountain line, which I know, again, people are like, what do you talk about eating mountain line?

[946] I'm telling you folks, I haven't eaten one, but I'm telling you and you said it.

[947] Brunella said it's one of the most delicious animals he's ever eaten.

[948] Yeah, I wanted to bring you some, but it's actually illegal to bring it in to California.

[949] Good thing we always abide by the law, Adam Green Tree.

[950] Exactly.

[951] And then...

[952] One day I'll try it.

[953] Yeah.

[954] Wink, wink.

[955] So then I've cooked it up and I'm feeding it to Kim.

[956] Yeah.

[957] And I was cooking chicken as well, just in case her and the kids didn't like it.

[958] I had chicken on the grill as well.

[959] And I served the mountain line first, and they were eating the mountain lion.

[960] And I'm like, what do you think of it?

[961] And she's like, I've got the chicken and I'm like no you don't you've got the mountain line and it was delicious dude it's tender as I felt like it was a taste between like chicken and pork or chicken and even venison like I found it right in the middle there it's delicious and I'm not saying everyone should go out and hunt a mountain line because you can't do that but there's certain places that you can go and get a tag for the benefit of wildlife and go and hunt a mountain line people just have a hard time with the idea that you are somehow another helping to control the population by killing an animal that kills other animals.

[962] Yeah.

[963] It's really weird.

[964] They would rather let nature take its course.

[965] So even if like, let's go to Africa now, even if the lion population way outweighed something and was running it to extinction, these people would want to sit back and just let that happen.

[966] And it's like humans have got a brain capacity that allows us to study and put research into an animal.

[967] that's like actually what would be more healthier for the whole ecosystem would be if we come in and hunt these animals.

[968] And what we'll do is we'll charge people a certain tag fee to be able to do that.

[969] And we'll put that back into conservation, which will help this animal.

[970] And then there's just this beautiful, healthy ball that keeps turning.

[971] Yeah.

[972] For the people that know it, they respect it and they appreciate it.

[973] You know, people like backcountry hunters and anglers and all these different organizations, Rocky Mountain Elk Federation, a lot of different organizations they have in the United States that really appreciate what they're doing to promote that, that idea here in America.

[974] But people that don't hunt and don't, don't go into, I mean, it took me years to kind of wrap my head around it and really truly understand it and become educated as to how it works and how wildlife biologists set these standards and they do it based on healthy populations and how much time they spend doing surveys and analyzing the population, how important it is to, you know, these reports that hunters send in to wildlife organizations and the department an efficient game.

[975] It's really interesting stuff.

[976] And I'm not a blanket killer, even, because I understand where those people are coming from as well.

[977] Yeah, I do too.

[978] We need a certain amount of that because it could go the opposite way where it's like just go out and hunt everything, and it's not the case.

[979] If something's not in a good, healthy population, I'm not interested in hunting it at all myself.

[980] Of course, yeah.

[981] You know, I want to see these animals stay here for forever.

[982] I want my kids, kids, kids, kids, kids to be able to see those animals in good, healthy population.

[983] Yeah, like when I hear about limited entry tags for, like, for more.

[984] moose or something like that because there's a small number and they'll let a certain amount of people oh what fuck yeah what did you do out of green tree that's been sitting there rages that kombucha's got your name on this is why there's a towel here um is this happened no i'm a slob that's why the towel's here i fucking spill everything i've ruined two laptops at least right at least two laptops during this show um shit's angry that's like angry america's dangerous it is fucking kombucha gt's kombucha is very dangerous gone back to the coffee I found out like in some places they have a small amount of moose and they'll let you hunt a moose but it has to be like one moose and it has to be over 50 inches and like I'm out yeah I don't want to shoot that moose how many of them are there there's 200 of them fuck out of here I'm not shooting not interested no like what if what if the winter comes kills a bunch of them off like which happens what if wolves move in happens yeah and that's why these uh tag limits and that change from year to year as well.

[985] Like, I've seen them constantly change because they'll do their research or the kill wasn't big enough last year or the winner was too harsh and, you know, they start limited in tags.

[986] Yeah, that's very scientifically.

[987] I think in most cases, in most cases, we've got it right.

[988] Yeah, I think so too.

[989] What's one of the reasons why one of my favorite places to hunt is Lanai.

[990] Because Lanai is just stacked.

[991] It's so out of whack.

[992] We're fucking spotted little demons that just jump out of the way of arrows constantly.

[993] It's crazy.

[994] of an animal that evolved to get away from tigers.

[995] You can't believe how fast those guys did things are.

[996] And delicious.

[997] You think it's a, it's kind of a weird coincidence that the fastest animal you can hunt is also the most delicious.

[998] Yeah.

[999] Oh, totally.

[1000] You know?

[1001] Yeah.

[1002] Like, that's kind of weird.

[1003] Yeah.

[1004] It's almost like a reward.

[1005] Maybe because they are delicious.

[1006] They've learned to move faster.

[1007] I think a deer, so, you know, we say jump the string, like when you shoot, like the deer hears the bow go off or something like that.

[1008] And we call it jump the string, which you'll know about.

[1009] about this but a lot of people won't they actually don't jump out of the string when they miss your arrow they actually drop to bound the way so they drop load up their legs and then then jump you know but it's actually the drop that's when you usually miss them well that moves at over 1300 feet per second a really good bow shoots at about 300 feet per second in a hunting situation so you can't beat them 1300 feet per second that's how fast they start dropping god that's insane yeah well the thing about access deer as opposed to any other animal I've ever hunted is they don't just jump the string they get out of the way yeah they're gone like a whole body length they're gone just like yeah like you have to they they have to not know you're there yeah yeah like the first one that i killed uh this season had no idea i was there no idea was there and it was a nice wind so when that arrow hit him he was quartering away when that hit him he had no idea it was coming and it nailed him perfect yeah was that our trip or a different one yeah yeah that was when i got out of the car and i saw one 15 minutes at the hunt.

[1010] Yeah, big velvet head.

[1011] Yeah, yeah.

[1012] So I try and, it's the same with fellow deer back in Australia.

[1013] Like, they're really fast off the mark.

[1014] I'll try and shoot them when they're busy.

[1015] You know, when they've got other noise happening, they're raking their antlers, they're stepping forward or something like that.

[1016] And the few that I shot in Lanai, one was scruffing with another buck.

[1017] So he was all busy and he didn't move at all and it pegged him.

[1018] The other one was in high winds in the grass and had the grass like moving around it.

[1019] And he didn't move.

[1020] And then the third one was on a really still day, and I actually aimed for his heart, and he dropped, and I end up hitting him double lungs.

[1021] You know, it's just they're so quick.

[1022] It's like you need to...

[1023] Calculate.

[1024] Even right at the moment when you're like, I'm going to shoot, it's like you need to wait for something extra to happen.

[1025] Yeah.

[1026] Yeah.

[1027] Well, it's a great place to get accustomed to stalking and hunting animals with a bow.

[1028] Oh, totally.

[1029] Because the opportunities are so many.

[1030] Yeah, you blow one.

[1031] You're like, I'll move on to the animals.

[1032] next one there's 20 ,000 deer and 3 ,000 people on a tiny little island yeah did you did you ever go out at night in a car like when you see them on the side of the road I think what I think I was in the car with you and there was like 400 coming across the road and it's just like all these little eyes just going do do do do do it didn't even make sense it didn't even make sense and they hire people to go in there with sniper rifles and just take them out one after another it's crazy yeah and then something that's always got to me so like one of the property owners that lives beside my property were a hunt he'll go out and because deer a vermin in Australia and they're just been declassified they classified them as game animals for a year or a couple of years now they just declassified them because the numbers are just exploding so you can shoot them under lights you can you can do anything you can feed them you can bait them you can do whatever you want wow they just want to get rid of them yeah and so this guy he raises cattle and so that's what he has he'll go out at night and he'll shoot this these deer and just leave them right where they lay, not take any meat off them or anything.

[1033] But then kill one of his own cattle to fill his freezer and fridge.

[1034] And the first time he'd actually eaten venison was when I shot a deer on his property and I cut it up and I actually gave it to him.

[1035] That was the first time he'd ever eaten venison.

[1036] Deer, and I'm like, John, you're like killing your own cattle, these delicious meat sitting right there.

[1037] There's this wild resource and it's renewable because they fuck each other.

[1038] They breed.

[1039] Yeah, and so he's eating his own cattle instead of selling them?

[1040] And the other thing is, another way that I've always looked at it is these wild animals are there, whether you like it or not, they're there.

[1041] Why place another cow or another sheep in the paddock to put strain on the landscape?

[1042] Especially if you eat in your own, why not just go and shoot a deer?

[1043] It's a wild animal, and you're doing the ecosystem of service by doing it.

[1044] And they're some of the most healthy animals you can ever eat.

[1045] They're delicious.

[1046] They're super healthy for you.

[1047] They're so rich in vitamins and nutrients.

[1048] and protein and the taste i prefer it over everything yeah i really do yeah and it's not just the taste it's a whole feeling thing like i went and got this i earned this i killed this i know where this comes from you're attached to it we've spoken about it before but when you get meat that's served in a package at the supermarket that goes through past hundreds and hundreds of people's hands and breaths and stuff like that you know it's just like having sex with carl johansson in the virtual you go.

[1049] There you go.

[1050] That's the next detachment.

[1051] That's it.

[1052] It's going to be meat.

[1053] Instead of meat, it's going to be sex.

[1054] That's the next detachment.

[1055] Well, there's these people that are making artificial meat now, or not just artificial.

[1056] I shouldn't say artificial.

[1057] It's real meat, but it's meat that's made in a lab.

[1058] And that's the, I don't know what they're calling it, ethical meat or whatever the fuck they're calling it.

[1059] But it's the future of meat production.

[1060] And, you know, this is making animal rights people very excited because they're basically going to have just lab meat.

[1061] That's so fucking, yeah, so you know what's going to happen?

[1062] No more cows, no more domestic pigs, no more, the shit that they love.

[1063] Like the reason that cow's there is because there's a demand for meat.

[1064] Yeah.

[1065] So that cow gets a life because there's meat, right?

[1066] Yeah.

[1067] No one's going to let these cows and sheep and domestic pigs and shit run around on their landscape and take up real estate if there's no market for them.

[1068] Well, pigs are the weirdest one.

[1069] Because pigs, like my friend Whitney Cummings, she adopted a pig that, where did she get that pig?

[1070] I think it was from the fire, right?

[1071] Yeah.

[1072] And she actually wound up driving it to Texas.

[1073] She drove in her car 24 hours.

[1074] She's a fucking maniac when it comes to animals.

[1075] I think her and her fiance drove to Texas with this fucking pig to drop it off at this pig shelter.

[1076] And damn, dude, when she's with that pig, that thing is like a dog.

[1077] I mean, might as well be my dog.

[1078] I mean, just like hanging out.

[1079] Oh, they're an intelligent animal.

[1080] Yeah.

[1081] But when they get loose and they're out in the wild, boy, they fucking breed three, four times a year.

[1082] They'll have big piles of piglets, and those piglets will destroy.

[1083] They eat everything in sight.

[1084] They're omnivorous.

[1085] They're destructing to the ecosystem.

[1086] For everything.

[1087] They're devastating to plants and ground nesting birds, animals, everything.

[1088] They eat everything in front of them.

[1089] They're pigs.

[1090] Yeah.

[1091] And I don't hate them.

[1092] Like, I don't hate them.

[1093] I love pigs.

[1094] I think they're an unreal animal.

[1095] But the bigger picture is they need to be concerned.

[1096] controlled.

[1097] They can't go out there and just ruin our ecosystem like that.

[1098] Well, you're seeing it in Texas.

[1099] Texas is probably in the United States is the biggest example of what happens when, or the best example of what happens when these feral hogs are just completely out of control.

[1100] They just devastate these agricultural farms.

[1101] Yeah.

[1102] They have these farms and they're just getting destroyed.

[1103] Yeah.

[1104] I mean, I've seen some of the wildlife as well because I eat frogs and they'll eat lizards and they'll anything that's on the ground that's edible they'll eat it yeah um i wrote an article years ago it was called uh killer at the pass it was a place in australia and the the property owners like the ranchers called me up and they said you need to come out and shoot some of the foxes like they're devastating our lambs and uh i end up going out there and when i was driving in with the forward drive at night with the high beams on i seen this massive big black and white ball walking between the flock of sheep with a lamb in its mouth.

[1105] There was this pig and it had got a taste for meat.

[1106] And it happens all the time.

[1107] So a big boar, especially a mature animal, will get a taste for meat in harsher conditions and they'll just stick to meat after that.

[1108] And I end up catching up with his pig the next morning and shot it shot with the bow.

[1109] It actually attacked me. The first shot wasn't perfect and it charged me and I ended up like stabbing it to death.

[1110] I was on a slope like this on the mountain.

[1111] Jesus.

[1112] And it was really a battle like, and he ended up hooking the bow out of my hand because when he charged me i put an arrow on and shot and just went down one side and like hit one lung and it just infuriated this bore and he was on me and um when i was fending him off with the bow his tuss went into the bottom limb of the bow or the cam or something like that and ripped the bow out of my hand and i end up getting me knife off me and i end up like stabbing this pig while it was like trying to run me over holy shit how big was it it was a big boar was like big meat and meat eating bore like this and uh like how many pounds no fucking big that's how many pounds 300 probably not 300 our mountain boars just get real solid yeah probably 200 or something like that and uh anyway i end up stabbing this thing the deaf and when i end up cutting it open its whole insides like its whole stomach was like lambs hocks like the feet the bottom of the feet where they can't swallow in skulls and just like little bits of wool and stuff like that wow it'd just been going to going around and just picking these lambs off and killing them.

[1113] Wow.

[1114] Yeah, and it's a really known occurrence in Australia and how that, if things get harsh, they'll just go, they'll just, because they're just absolutely ruthless.

[1115] They'll just walk right between the sheep and just fucking grab a lamb, walk off of it, chill it up and eat it.

[1116] But anyway, first thing in that morning that I found was a pig spew, and it was like this fucking spew like this, and it was the same was lambs, hawks, and it was like spit to vomit.

[1117] Oh.

[1118] You don't say spew in America?

[1119] Yeah, you do, but I wasn't.

[1120] I thought maybe it meant something else.

[1121] to you.

[1122] Yeah, and we're fucking spewing, mate.

[1123] Yeah, spewed.

[1124] I spewed out.

[1125] Yeah, spewed out.

[1126] That's what happened at Disney yesterday.

[1127] Fucking Walt Disney spewed all over me. So they just threw up bones and shit?

[1128] Just threw up bones and stuff that it couldn't digest, but yeah, end up lamb killer at the park.

[1129] It's a destructive animal, and they're so ruthlessly efficient in terms of, like, how much food they can eat.

[1130] So a deer will walk along and it will pick, you know, it will just pick the tops off grass, and the grass regrows, you know.

[1131] A pig we'll go through and eat that grass and it'll turn it over and eat the roots and everything because, well, causes a lot of erosion and then there's no regrowth because there's no roots in the ground.

[1132] Because they're greedy pigs.

[1133] They're greedy pigs.

[1134] There you go.

[1135] But, um...

[1136] You don't they're the number one cause of death on farms?

[1137] Really?

[1138] Yeah, apparently with domestic animals, people falling into pig pens.

[1139] And just into them.

[1140] They just...

[1141] They just devour.

[1142] And, you know, when you're dealing with these giant domestic pigs, they get fucking huge.

[1143] Massive, yeah.

[1144] Yeah, hundreds of pounds.

[1145] Yeah, in, like, western New South Wales when times get tough, which is like, seems to be fucking all the time now.

[1146] But they'll get so desperate, like, you'll shoot a pig, you're going for the farmer and you're just shooting them.

[1147] You're not even really taking any meat often because they're, like, they're eating meat theirself and they're, like, skin and bones and disgusting.

[1148] It's more of, like, a coal mission, and you'll come back in the afternoon, and that pig will be completely skin and bones because the other pigs just get in there And you'll hear them, you'll just hear them just scream And it's the most god -awful sound there is They cannibalize They cannibalize, yeah I was in Tahoean Ranch And we were walking by this really high grass The grass is like five foot high And we were only like maybe 10 yards Away from these pigs fighting And I said to Ronella I said, no, come on man If you didn't know that those were pigs I told you there was demons in that grass You would completely believe it Yeah Yeah, it's like Will you hunting them?

[1149] Yeah, it sounded like something.

[1150] Yeah, it's the best sound when you're hunting.

[1151] Yeah.

[1152] Yeah, it was great.

[1153] But it sounded like Lord of the Rings.

[1154] It sounded like some horrific scene, a monster movie.

[1155] Yeah, it sounded like an orc.

[1156] It really did.

[1157] I mean, it's just, how is that the same animal as those cute little things that Whitney Cummings is going around with?

[1158] Yeah, totally.

[1159] Because the one that she had was like, all fluffy and sit in her bed and cute.

[1160] Loving it.

[1161] She taught it out to go outside, go to the bathroom.

[1162] Was it a pig me pig?

[1163] No, it was a pig.

[1164] That was the other thing she told me. Apparently those little pigs are not real.

[1165] All they are is just underfed.

[1166] Yeah, right.

[1167] That's pretty fucking wrong.

[1168] That's fucked up.

[1169] Like when those people have those little tiny pigs, she's like, that's not real.

[1170] Yeah.

[1171] They're just, oh, it's a baby pig.

[1172] It's a tiny little pig.

[1173] It's just going to stay tiny.

[1174] No. If you don't feed it, it'll stay tiny.

[1175] How about when, remember when they had the kittens in the jars?

[1176] I think it was a Japanese thing or something.

[1177] What?

[1178] You've never seen that?

[1179] No. They had the, they were like a little glass jar and they'd have a cat in the glass jar.

[1180] I think, I think they're always fake, but people were advertising it like, this is how you can have your cat.

[1181] Holy fuck.

[1182] Look that up, Jamie.

[1183] You reckon this is it going to explode.

[1184] That's real?

[1185] There you go.

[1186] Fucking kitty cat.

[1187] No, they're fake.

[1188] That's fake.

[1189] That's fake.

[1190] Oh, what the fuck.

[1191] Look at that thing's eyes.

[1192] Okay, some of those look real.

[1193] so is it just for fun they're just for fun no i thought there was some real ones where they had the lid on them and everything well you can guarantee someone's done that those fuckers that have got their face blurred out oh jesus christ they apologize for stuffing a kitten in a jar sorry yeah what the fuck man yeah yeah people are capable of incredible cruelty yeah animals that's why we need to the other end of things that's why I say I can understand it you know you need that other like I'm not extreme where I'm just like hunt everything but I'm sure there's a few people out there like that I've never met them where they just like kill everything then you need the other extreme where it's like no all animals are sacred don't touch any animals you know they can't be killed you know and then try and find that middle ground where you're like well that's fucking ridiculous and that's ridiculous this is where I am I couldn't agree more I think that's a perfect way to put it yeah yeah I think um I think a lot of those animal rights people they it comes from a good place yeah that's how i feel too yeah they care about animals it comes from a good place but they're understanding of population control and wildlife management and just the reality of of human beings it just they just don't think they're getting it yeah with the mountain lion thing one of the things they found with mountain lines in california is that almost 50 % of their diet is domestic pets there's go to nature is metal go to nature's metal dot com my all -time favorite Instagram page So the mountain lion adapts I think he got his page back Either he got his page back Or they He had to open up another one But that guy has the most fucked up Instagram Sensitizing some shit at the moment They Tim had a video It's only like a 15, 20 second video of her It was carrying a white -tailed deer out in Texas There was no blood on it or nothing You couldn't see that it'd been gutted Or anything like that And they removed it Said it was violence Okay this is is nature is metal underscore this is the backup account i don't you follow it though but yeah the other account's not up anymore well click on the most recent one that lion image when is that from yeah December 20 no it's new it's new see if they're backup main page and back yeah don't go to nature is metal underscore just go to nature's metal um oh metal I thought it said mental metal like metal metal yeah So that's it That's the real one So scroll up Keep going And that's it right there With the car This is the quick and the dead This is a Florida panther And this guy's driveway Snatches up a house pat Watch this shit This is what the fuck you have This is what the fuck happens So this guy's got his Security camera running Oh damn That's a rap It's a rap little fellow It's a dog or a cat Fuck it nearly looks like It's a kitty cat yeah kill the cat everyone likes a bit of pussy there's uh how dare you there's uh there's a growing population these things they're endangered but they're there and uh you know basically i mean it's a subspecies i guess but it's basically the same thing as a mountain lion yeah right look at them i so the first time i did a little bit of research in google it just comes up that uh cougars uh endangered in america and but when you start looking into it they're not at all they're on the least concern list in america because the population's thriving yeah and then when i spoke to uh d and r in colorado about you know the the cougar as well they were saying that their populations continued to rise even with the tags that they've given out their population just continues to rise yeah and without dogs you're just not going to hunt them the way the people no that's right yeah you might get lucky and stumble across one that's not paying attention to you i'd love to them you'd want to have limitless time though you know like to actually that's the difference you know yeah i'd like to have limitless time and then just be like okay i'm dedicating a whole month to stalking kugas you know yeah well that's the knock on bear hunting as well the bear hunting in the 1990s they outlawed um dogs in california you can still hunt black bears i guess black bears are more accepted as a nuisance if the population grows because you know they'll they'll find your garbage yeah and then And once they...

[1194] People say them as well.

[1195] But it's not just that once they find your garbage, like, that's where they go.

[1196] Okay, coming back.

[1197] Day and day out.

[1198] They have a pattern, and they develop these habits.

[1199] But they stopped using bears, stopped using dogs rather to hunt bears in California.

[1200] And then they stopped using baiting.

[1201] So those two things are illegal.

[1202] There's no baiting and there's no dog.

[1203] So good luck, bear hunting.

[1204] Yeah, yeah.

[1205] Especially with a bow.

[1206] Yeah, pretty tough.

[1207] Yeah.

[1208] The baiting one's another one.

[1209] Like, people don't like baiting.

[1210] And I get it.

[1211] You know, we've done it.

[1212] it's it's not the same no it's not the same doesn't feel it's not as good yeah i did it that one time with you yeah and then and i was sort of like that it was it was still good it was still cool you know and there's a tag in place and there's conservation act in place but it just i've got no desire to go back right i've done that now that's cool and that conservation is very important for the elk population the moose population the deer population because they they kill an estimated 50 % of all moose calves, elk calves, deer fons, it's all black bears.

[1213] Yeah, yeah, totally.

[1214] And they're cannibals too.

[1215] They kill cubs.

[1216] Yeah, crazy.

[1217] I watched this one the other day, because you hear people, like, if a bear charges me, I'll climb a tree.

[1218] And the black bear climbs a tree, like, I mean, fucking high, dude.

[1219] Like, runs it.

[1220] You've seen it.

[1221] Yeah, they run up a tree.

[1222] And then there's a cinnamon black bear, and she's got cubs.

[1223] And she goes so fast up that, dude.

[1224] Holy shit.

[1225] You can't climb up a tree to get away from a barrier.

[1226] Just get the fuck out of here.

[1227] Yeah, you're done.

[1228] The big ones just don't want to do it anymore.

[1229] But they could still do it.

[1230] They can still do it.

[1231] Yeah, they can still do it.

[1232] Like, the ideas are like, oh, the big ones won't chase you up a tree.

[1233] Yeah.

[1234] When you see the speed that they go up a tree, then you can imagine the speed that they come across land.

[1235] You know, and it's just like, because I always say, I always tell people about that one that was sleeping on an elk kill that I had, a grizzly.

[1236] We showed that video the other day.

[1237] Did you?

[1238] Yeah.

[1239] Yeah.

[1240] Yeah, we showed it on the podcast all the day.

[1241] And I remember.

[1242] I yelled at that grisly, the one that was sleeping on the elk carcass, and it fucking disappeared so fast and quietly, dude.

[1243] And I'm like, if you don't have eyes on one coming at you, you don't know it's going to come at you until you hit, until it's on, you're fucking eating your face off.

[1244] Well, their pads are so soft.

[1245] The pads of their feet are so soft in order to sneak up on things.

[1246] I remember the first time I went, uh, bear hunting with Cam, and one was walking in.

[1247] He goes, right there, right there, right there.

[1248] I turned to look.

[1249] I'm like, let me get any noise.

[1250] He's like, they're so quiet.

[1251] Oh, this is that video, yeah.

[1252] Yeah, here it is.

[1253] We're going to galling up, running, dude, galloping up the tree.

[1254] Running.

[1255] Yeah.

[1256] Some fucking scary shit.

[1257] It doesn't stop there, either.

[1258] And it ends up coming.

[1259] And that's a black bear with cubs.

[1260] So you can imagine that situation with the grizzly and her cubs.

[1261] So fucking scary.

[1262] And so that's a color phase.

[1263] That looks like a color phase.

[1264] And the one on the top is the black bear, is the cub?

[1265] No, that's a, it looks like a full -grown black bear.

[1266] The color phase has got a cub back up the mountain.

[1267] Whiffer.

[1268] Yeah, that's some crazy shit.

[1269] Fucking, oi.

[1270] Ory, crocodiles don't fucking climb trees.

[1271] That's what I heard.

[1272] I heard they don't.

[1273] When are we doing this?

[1274] Someone started the petition, eh?

[1275] Fucking Joe Rogan needs to hunt Australia.

[1276] Yeah, you keep trying to get me out there.

[1277] You've got snakes too, though, bro.

[1278] You got spiders and shit.

[1279] Okay, let's fucking, let's go over some shit here.

[1280] The whole season in Australia, the whole season in Australia.

[1281] I've seen two snakes.

[1282] One of them not poisonous, like a red -belly black steak.

[1283] Not going to harm you, a friendly snake.

[1284] Lava one, a barely poisonous snake.

[1285] The whole season in Australia.

[1286] What does that mean?

[1287] Barely.

[1288] Not very poisonous.

[1289] Might kill a kid or a dog.

[1290] Spiders you guys have, though.

[1291] They're fucking...

[1292] No, no. This giant.

[1293] They're fucking hans.

[1294] They're not going to hurt you.

[1295] Thank you.

[1296] Talk to him.

[1297] Fucking stay out of it.

[1298] Hey, one thing I wanted to ask you about is the thylacine.

[1299] The Tasmanian tiger.

[1300] Yeah.

[1301] I read that there was credible reports by people in the woods that they might have seen one.

[1302] I wish.

[1303] I don't think so, though.

[1304] But it's so remote, right?

[1305] There's so many cameras now.

[1306] There's guys with scouting cameras that have putting it over deer wallows and stuff, like places that they would come in the drink.

[1307] That was a big animal, right?

[1308] Wasn't it?

[1309] Yeah.

[1310] How big did they get?

[1311] Like 100 pounds?

[1312] Something like that.

[1313] Might be a bit bigger than that.

[1314] What a cool looking animal, too.

[1315] Oh, dude.

[1316] And their mouths come open like this.

[1317] There it is.

[1318] scientists hunt for extinct Tasmanian tiger after sightings in Australia.

[1319] Yeah, that's probably what I saw.

[1320] I wish.

[1321] What is that an article from?

[1322] What year?

[1323] The last year, 2017.

[1324] Oh, really?

[1325] A lot of the extinction was driven from people, right?

[1326] Yeah.

[1327] Because they're fucking meat eater, so they'd come in and start eating sheep or whatever.

[1328] They'd get shot by farmers and stuff like that, which is a shame.

[1329] And I'm sure they didn't realize they were doing it at the time.

[1330] But that, you know, they pushed them to extinction, you know, if there's one.

[1331] one thing that we should bring back from extinction.

[1332] If it's possible, I believe they should be brought back.

[1333] If it's possible, right?

[1334] If they have some DNA, because, I mean, it would be nice to have some sort of an animal like that that could knock down some of the populations of kangaroos and deer.

[1335] They probably wouldn't.

[1336] They probably just come in and devastate like livestock populations and people's fenced in.

[1337] But it is a shame.

[1338] But let me get back to why you need to come to Australia.

[1339] two snakes all year in Australia fucking 17 snakes in the first month in America, dude 17 Aaron Snyder got bit the other day Did he?

[1340] Yeah, bit his boot.

[1341] Really?

[1342] Yeah, I think he was in North Carolina or some shit I forget where he was, somewhere in the south And my buddy, Jace So this was the first hunt that I did when I come to America We flew in the Idaho And we drove straight down to southern Colorado, the hunt pronghorn And we're driving into the property at like 2 a .m. in the morning And there's a pronghorn just standing on the side of the road you know it's just like it's dazed you know so my buddy jace pulls up he walks over to it and like literally touches it on the head like it's like it's just like walking down the road and we're like did it get hit by a car next minute i see him jump back a rattled snake had bit the pronghorn and he stood he had a leg on either side of the rattlesnake and it striked him it actually striked him twice it missed both times wow and i had to keep questioning him like did that bite you and he's like nah nah I'm like, have a think about it, did it fucking bite you?

[1343] And he's like, no, it didn't.

[1344] Because I watched it in the headlights, go for him twice.

[1345] And once we set up camp, we went back there, and that prong horn was dead.

[1346] It had killed that prong.

[1347] Yeah.

[1348] And I'm like, fuck America.

[1349] Fuck America.

[1350] Australia is so much safer.

[1351] A friend of mine was hiking, and he almost stepped on a rattlesnake, and he jumped back, and then realized there was a nest of them.

[1352] And there was a little one surrounding them They were all over the place It was like fuck Just jumping hopping around one leg after another Crazy Yeah I actually had Apparently that happens all the time Yeah it does yeah And tarantulas there dude Everywhere There was just tarantulas walking over the ground everywhere It was so fucking cool A bold The bold effort to prove the Tasmanian tiger Still out there Wildlife biologist Forest Galante Has brought one species back from the dead And he wants to do the same With the Tasmanian tiger What the fuck as he brought back from the dead this goddamn Frankenstein unable to play the Cuban solenodon is one of the most curious animals in the planet small shrewd shrewd must be shrewd like creature is a mammal but a highly venomous one fuck yeah bring that back released it in America specimen found that was thought to be lost forever then unexpectedly three were caught just a few years later the extinct species marked on so that may be the case with the Tasmanian tiger.

[1353] It'd be awesome.

[1354] I hope so.

[1355] Okay, so here it is.

[1356] Galanty's a wildlife biologist made his life's mission to search for animals that have wrongly been deemed extinct and among those species on his list is the Tasmanian tiger.

[1357] The difficulty leads to these.

[1358] Like, who the fuck has seen one?

[1359] Keeps scrolling.

[1360] See if anybody like legit seen one.

[1361] He's been traveled around the world searching for evidence of species like Tasmanian diabol Paci Lemur and the new family.

[1362] Island white wolf still exist.

[1363] 100 species deemed extinct worldwide annually.

[1364] This process isn't foolproof, and every now and then animals are rediscovered after they were thought to be gone forever, but proving the animals still out there is no easy feat.

[1365] Hmm.

[1366] I wonder.

[1367] Huh.

[1368] I hope so.

[1369] Yeah.

[1370] Captured footage of a Zanzibar leopard, which is thought to be extinct for 25 years due to persecution by local hunters in the Zanzibar.

[1371] archipelago in Tasmania, Tanzania, Tanzania rather, excuse me. Wow.

[1372] That would be fucking pretty dope if they actually did find that thing.

[1373] It's a cool -looking animal, you know?

[1374] Yeah, they can't be in good numbers anymore, I know that much.

[1375] Must be tiny, tiny numbers.

[1376] Like an animal like that, like, where did they live?

[1377] Tasmania.

[1378] That's where the Tasmania tiger?

[1379] And Tasmania's where?

[1380] Down the bottom of Australia.

[1381] The bottom.

[1382] Yeah.

[1383] So it's a separate island.

[1384] Oh.

[1385] But it's that tiny little triangle that's down the bottom.

[1386] Absolute beautiful island, like...

[1387] That's the only place they lived?

[1388] I believe so.

[1389] How big is the island?

[1390] Actually, they might have been on the mainland, and I think that's where the sightings have been.

[1391] Oh.

[1392] Oh, wow, it's big.

[1393] Tazzy.

[1394] How big is that place?

[1395] I don't know.

[1396] Fucking big enough.

[1397] They don't allow any bow hunting there, so I've never gone.

[1398] Do they allow hunting?

[1399] Yeah, I think you can hunt with a gun for fellow deer.

[1400] Why do they make you use a gun?

[1401] I don't fucking know.

[1402] Australia's get some weird rules with guns.

[1403] Oh, yeah.

[1404] You guys, like, have, they bought up all the guns after our mass shooting, right?

[1405] Is that what happened?

[1406] Well, not all of them.

[1407] If you were a license holder, like a shooter's, you had a shooter's license, you had a reason to have a gun, then you could still keep your guns.

[1408] So you had to be, like, a member of a gun club.

[1409] I don't own any guns, but you had to be a member of a gun club.

[1410] I don't own any guns in Australia.

[1411] You had to be a member of a gun club, have, or have, have, mission on a property where you're hunting and stuff like that to keep your guns.

[1412] They keep trying to make it tighter and tighter.

[1413] I think it's tight enough because criminals are going to get what they want.

[1414] Right.

[1415] You know, it's like how many people have been killed with a baseball bat?

[1416] Fucking heaps.

[1417] Are you going to ban baseball bats?

[1418] Right.

[1419] How many people have been killed with a kitchen knife?

[1420] You're going to ban kitchen knives.

[1421] So I think if you've got a legitimate reason to have a gun, you know, like you don't have a criminal record, you don't have a mental illness or something like that.

[1422] You should have a right to have a gun.

[1423] Right.

[1424] So you basically do a safety course and training in Australia.

[1425] And if you've got that reason to have a rifle, then you can have it.

[1426] No semi -automatics.

[1427] There's a bunch of rifles and there's a bunch of guns that you can't have in Australia.

[1428] It's pretty much like bold action, lever action.

[1429] And those rules might have changed as well.

[1430] I'm no expert on it, obviously.

[1431] Whereas in America, every fucking one's got a gun, hey?

[1432] Like, everyone I meet's got a gun.

[1433] I've got a gun, too.

[1434] Because if everyone else has got a gun, I want a fucking gun too.

[1435] It's true.

[1436] Isn't it true?

[1437] And my guns for protection when I go into the wilderness for bears.

[1438] Right.

[1439] Or if I'm fucking in some weird destination, someone comes in and tries to fucking rape or murder my family, I'm going to use it.

[1440] Right.

[1441] And, yeah, it's just funny like that.

[1442] But it's crazy to think, and I know it changes from place to place that, you know, anyone could have a gun.

[1443] Because, you know, it's like you're right.

[1444] And to a certain degree, I agree with that.

[1445] But as well, I think you lose that right.

[1446] If you've got a criminal record, you've got a mental illness or something like that, then fuck.

[1447] Yeah, exactly.

[1448] We want good guys with guns, not bad guys with guns.

[1449] But ban on guns isn't going to stop the bad guys from having guns.

[1450] Well, at this point, it's like trying to take pee out of the pool.

[1451] Yeah, it's fucking so.

[1452] There's just too many of them.

[1453] When you hunt in Australia, you're not allowed to use a bolt action rifle?

[1454] You can use a bolt action rifle.

[1455] You can't use a bolt action rifle.

[1456] You can.

[1457] It's like the automatic, semi -automatics.

[1458] Oh, like an AR?

[1459] Yeah.

[1460] You couldn't use an AR?

[1461] Yeah, I think pump.

[1462] actions have been taken out now, things like that, yeah.

[1463] Huh.

[1464] Yeah, because I would feel like especially with population control, something like Fallow Deer, if you have that many of them, I know there's places that are just erupting with them.

[1465] You would have to shoot them, right?

[1466] Yeah, totally.

[1467] There's no way you're going to put a dead.

[1468] A lot of places, it's like the whole California thing, you know, they're still getting killed, but it's just a professional hitman that's doing it now.

[1469] There's not the recreation behind it.

[1470] And in Australia, a lot of the times, they, like, a good example, actually across the pond in New Zealand where they're like fuck we need to shoot 30 ,000 tar you know the tar that live in the mountains there and because they're introduced tar are introduced and I don't think there's a lot of hunters arguing at the time and no one was really arguing that we needed to shoot some tar but we weren't like fucking shoot 30 ,000 of them because they shoot them from a helicopter and they leave them rot on the mountain yeah they don't use any of it it's just a massive waste of resource you know and it's like they're never going to eradicate them all anyway and why would they why they want to shoot 30 ,000 of them well they're introduced for starters right and fucking politicians work off money and fucking having a job to do so they make a lot of these things up you know but i would think that the money would be in the higher or people paying to go hunt them some of these towns live off hunters like the only reason that town is there like all their income is hunters coming in and hunting these destinations and that's the reason why the animals are there in the first place yeah in new zealand yeah that's right yeah new zealand they were all introduced as by wealthy Europeans, they wanted to make it like a hunting destination.

[1471] Yeah, that's right.

[1472] Which is so crazy.

[1473] They just threw a bunch of animals on the island.

[1474] This is our playground.

[1475] Yeah, like, what the fuck?

[1476] Well, New Zealand's is happy for it now because they've got something to hunt.

[1477] They've got game animals.

[1478] Yeah.

[1479] But if they're truly causing that much damage, then yes, obviously, like fin out the population.

[1480] But why not get hunters involved to do it?

[1481] Why not promote hunting, you know, where the meat gets used, you know, where it's done properly and, you know, benefits the communities?

[1482] Well, there's a lot of hunting destinations in New Zealand.

[1483] where people go to that are high fenced places, which is a little weird.

[1484] Yeah.

[1485] Because they're like just, I mean, even if it's a couple hundred acres or a couple thousand acres, they're fenced in and the animals aren't going anywhere.

[1486] It's just different.

[1487] It's like what we're talking about before where there's like shallow fun.

[1488] Yeah.

[1489] Like I've never done it, but I'd see that as like a shallow fun.

[1490] And then there's meaningful fun.

[1491] Fucking walk the mountain.

[1492] Find your own spot.

[1493] Yeah.

[1494] You know?

[1495] Well, actually go into the wild.

[1496] Don't fence the wild in and make it the not wild.

[1497] Don't make it the domestic.

[1498] The hard bit about saying that you're a cockat if you do it Is it benefits some wildlife like there's Oh yeah Gizelle and shit that have been brought back from the concern list or nearly extinction Because of high fence operations like in Texas and Africa Oh yeah So it's like I suppose it has got its place But it's just there's different sorts of hunters Well there's also different sizes of these partitions So like if you're in a place like there's some places in Texas That are 10 ,000 acres like look that's so far beyond that animal's wild range that you might as well be in a wild even if there's a fence you know 80 miles in that direction when the fuck are you ever going to get to that fence if you're a deer you're not going to yeah it's true i think i'm maybe i'm a little bit closed mind on it's the same thing to me it's like ideologically the same thing i agree with you it feels i've you know i've seen those places it seems weird yeah it's like Jurassic park you go through these giant gates and inside those animals are fenced in they're never getting getting out.

[1499] Yeah, yeah.

[1500] You know they're in there.

[1501] There's no mystery.

[1502] No, that's right.

[1503] There's no mystery.

[1504] That's what it is.

[1505] And I like, I like the failure in hunting as much as I like the success if you call like killing an animal the success bit.

[1506] Yeah.

[1507] You know, I like that the opportunity and you do everything in your fucking power steel, you work your ass off, you know, your fucking feet are bleeding if they have to to get to the end of it.

[1508] But I like the idea that you can still fail on a hunt.

[1509] And I like failing on a hunt sometimes because it makes you realize, fuck this is hard so the next time imagine everything you shot at you just smoked i'd fucking give it away in a day right i wouldn't be interested anymore well it'd be like farming that's right i like that failure because it makes you realize how fucking awesome it is when you get something well it also it's different between hunting and any other way that you get meat because because it is so difficult and it requires skill planning intelligence you have to have knowledge You have to know how to play the wind.

[1510] You have to know when to move, when to not move.

[1511] It's a tactical situation where you have to use the right tactics to get in on this animal, otherwise it's going to smell you or hear you or see you.

[1512] There's so much involved in it that's not involved if you're just acquiring meat any other way.

[1513] And that's what it should take too, because we're taking an animal's life.

[1514] So it should take that effort.

[1515] You know, and it's like you put so much heart and soul into it that even if you cut the meat up and it's like ruddy and tough, you're like fuck this is delicious yeah well you were talking about your elk hunt in new mexico this year and how difficult it was and you guys were out there for over a month yeah yeah well we did we did uh Oregon we did new mexico and we did montana for elk and we're just like busting our ass the whole time you know and then i end up getting one the it was like the one i actually really just wanted kim to get a shoot a bull her first bull you know because she's been going at it and And the one afternoon that she took off, because she was doing some homeschooling with the kids and trying to get on top of all that, the perfect opportunity popped up and ended up shooting this bull, and then we never had a good opportunity again, you know, which suck.

[1516] But the thing is that's made a hungrier for it next, this season, you know, like she realizes how hard it is, how difficult it is, and she would appreciate it much more.

[1517] That's what it should be.

[1518] Well, it's cool that she is determined, that it's not discouraging her.

[1519] that the difficulty oftentimes for a lot of people that difficulty because it's you know you're you're out there seven days 10 days your feet are killing you you're exhausted and you're like i'm just gonna go to the fucking super yeah yeah totally i'm gonna get a rifle yeah kim's actually a really good example of what a lot of your audience would be because kim's really been that city girl you know like that's that's just been a life you know and then i had it took about seven years to convince her to eat fucking venison game me really Yeah, yeah.

[1520] And how I did it was I shot a deer and it was just like a nice healthy young deer and I cut the backstraps in the cutlets.

[1521] I think you guys call them tomahawk steaks.

[1522] So we call them cutlets.

[1523] I cut it in the cutlets and it just looked like lamb cutlets, dude.

[1524] And I cooked up these lamb cutlets and I served it and she fucking loved it.

[1525] Like her and the kids were just like, this is delicious.

[1526] I think I actually only had me eldest boy hunter at the time.

[1527] Like this is delicious and they loved it.

[1528] And then I'm like, that's venison.

[1529] that's deer because it was just the image they hated they had no idea what the meat tastes like she had no idea shooting a cute little deer yeah yeah and now it's the opposite where she doesn't feel as comfortable eating an animal that she doesn't know about you know because if if we put venison in the fridge freezer like it either goes past just kim's hands or my hands that's it you know where the animal come from you know that it was healthy you know everything like that and and then cooking it and eating it and she feels a lot more And I'm not trying to put anyone down that buys meat because, like I said, I still buy meat too.

[1530] And there's nothing wrong with that.

[1531] That's the population of the world.

[1532] It demands that.

[1533] But there's something that you don't feel as guilty about cooking your own meat.

[1534] There's some sort of connection there that goes way beyond my birth.

[1535] Yeah.

[1536] You know, where it's like a real connection with hunting and eating the meat.

[1537] My littlest daughter loves fishing, loves it and loves that we go fishing together and we caught yellowtail in Hawaii and cooked it.

[1538] Well, I had the chef actually cook it.

[1539] it.

[1540] In turn, we stayed at a hotel and, you know, you bring it to the chef at the restaurant and he would make sashimi out of it and made savić and it was so good, but she loves it.

[1541] She just loves it.

[1542] She caught something and brought it in and she wants everyone to know that you're eating something that she caught.

[1543] Yeah.

[1544] Yeah.

[1545] Yeah.

[1546] It's so cool.

[1547] Yeah.

[1548] That's a good feeling.

[1549] Well, it's also, I'm connecting her with what a fish is.

[1550] You know, she likes sushi.

[1551] She's had sushi before now she's having sushi that she was there when the thing died she caught it she pulled it out of the ocean you know we took the hook out of its mouth we filleted it like the whole deal she saw she saw every step of the way you know so you think there's still like a connection in people that's like it like sparks up again when they do something because we've done that for so long forever forever i think when you catch a fish when it's on the like the excitement like it doesn't necessarily even makes sense if there's not some sort of a genetic component to it yeah because the excitement is so visceral it's so like it's genetic yeah without that it's like what if you do i'm pulling in a line it's got some weight on it something's been you know twiggling on the end she's freaking first of all she wouldn't let anyone help her she like wanted to do it her she's fucking eight and she's got a 10 pound yellow tail and this thing and i'm helping her by holding onto the rock that's all i'm doing because it's ill get yank out of her hand you know so I'm holding the rod to make sure it doesn't and she's got two hands on the crank and she's like but she wouldn't give up I go do you want me to help you it's like no that's awesome yeah she's so determined because when she did do it and brought it in the thrill was so powerful she wanted to be the one that brought it in yeah it's so cool yeah I really believe there's like this ancient connection 100 % yeah and it's like with hunting you know I do a hunting a lot now so it's I feel like I'm in my element but even the first time that I shot something and I was cutting it up for meat was I felt so comfortable doing it straight away and it's like I've it's it was like I've done this a million times before a lot of people say the same thing a lot of people say the same thing that there Brian Callan in fact said the same thing and he and I went hunting for the first time and he's like it just seems like something we've always done like it's there's a memory in our DNA and this is how we've survived it was a great thrill if you caught if you shot a deer you know 10 ,000, 20 ,000 years ago, and you managed to bring that back to the village.

[1552] Like, holy shit, everybody's eating good.

[1553] We're going to get by.

[1554] We're going to survive our children.

[1555] We're going to get nutrition.

[1556] Yeah, there's this deep and meaningful feeling, and it's not like you shot something.

[1557] You're like, yeah, yeah, fucking shot it.

[1558] It's not that feeling.

[1559] No, you feel excited.

[1560] You feel excited.

[1561] You're like, yes, yes, yes.

[1562] But it's a different kind of excitement.

[1563] It's sustenance.

[1564] You're going to get nutrients.

[1565] you're going to feed your family you're going to and it's all because you did it the way you did it especially bow hunting you know how difficult it is and you pulled it off there's this thrill of success and then there's this deep connection with your meat you know when I get an elk I love eating that stuff so when I get one I'm like now good now I've got meat I've got meat from months and my friends have me I have a fucking I have a gang of comedian friends that are eating elk all the time now because you know i give them sausages and steaks and i teach him like my friend tom papa he uh i've i've taught him how to like cook elk roasts you know like he calls it like what what do i do i'm like you got to keep it low and slow you want like 275 degrees get it to an internal temperature around 135 somewhere around then then you pull it sear it on the outside let us sit for 10 minutes he calls me up like a couple hours later holy shit i'm like yeah Yeah.

[1566] That ain't like anything else you're going to eat anywhere.

[1567] It's because the hunt starts, well, the hunt probably starts here for you because you practice and shoot your target and then you go through all the preparation, you go through the hunt, you're successful, you kill the animal.

[1568] The hunt doesn't end at killing the animal.

[1569] No. That hunt continues to go and like you're eating that animal on your plate.

[1570] Like that's the feeling that I get.

[1571] You know, it's like, and that sometimes I'm like, it's like, why people call me a hunter?

[1572] I'm just a human.

[1573] This is a human thing to do.

[1574] Right.

[1575] Like go out, catch your own.

[1576] own, cook it, eat it, survive, continue.

[1577] It is weird that it's so, it's rare now.

[1578] Yeah.

[1579] It's so, how rare is it in Australia, like population -wise?

[1580] I don't know.

[1581] Fuck all.

[1582] There's not a lot of hunters.

[1583] I feel like there is because I'm in the hunting community, so I know a lot of hunters.

[1584] But if I go to any given person's house, that's not, most of my friends are hunters as well now, but if, say, I'll go to one of Kim's friends' houses, there's no hunters in that house.

[1585] Right.

[1586] You know, and then I'll go to a workplace.

[1587] There's no hunters in that workplace.

[1588] Like, it doesn't come up.

[1589] No one's, they're like, oh, it's so weird that what you do, you know, it's not, it's not like that.

[1590] Even though it's a part of my family's heritage, like, um, like my grandfather, he'd go out trapping, my uncles would go out trapping.

[1591] My dad would do a bit of hunting, not bow hunting.

[1592] It was different, you know.

[1593] And it was almost like it wasn't even called hunting back then.

[1594] That's what I always think about our ancestors.

[1595] Like hunting's like almost like a modern word that we made up.

[1596] Yeah.

[1597] Because it would have just been something they do.

[1598] It would just be normal.

[1599] When you're hunting, but everybody does it.

[1600] Exactly.

[1601] When you wash your clothes, do you call yourself a clothes washer?

[1602] Pull this thing in front of you so it doesn't, not like this way.

[1603] You get it under your chin.

[1604] I like them there.

[1605] It's going to sound weird.

[1606] That's better.

[1607] There you go.

[1608] Same clear.

[1609] Yeah, it's like if you wash your clothes, do you call your clothes washer?

[1610] Yeah, no, fuck no. Everyone washes clothes unless you're a dirty prick, you know, everyone does that.

[1611] But because people know that I hunt, like, people will find me. Like, if there's a guy, like, someone, somewhere and you know like he wants to meet me somewhere it's like the first thing that comes up almost like instantly we know each other yeah dude you bow hunt yeah yeah yeah yeah you bohunt yeah yeah yeah oh all right cool yeah where do you go it's like oh you know we go to new mexico every year oh cool none your fucking business yeah yeah there's a lot of that too right yeah yeah yeah you and john dully had that talk about public spots and uh you're like um because i agree it's not you don't own it like everyone owns public land yeah but uh i'll take this story back up for john but um to share that spot is not the done thing because it's like everyone should put their own in in a sense to go find a spot yeah to go find a spot and even if you're happy to share a spot because i go to a lot of different spots and social media asked me to tell these spots and i never do because that spot could be someone else's paradise that they're fucking spent 10 years to find Right.

[1612] Then you give that information out to the masses.

[1613] So don't fucking ask.

[1614] You know, that's the thing.

[1615] Yeah, that's the thing, right?

[1616] It's like even though these places are beautiful and everybody owns them, the last thing you want is what's happening right now in Joshua Tree, right?

[1617] A bunch of people going there and chopped down trees, dropping down trees, leaving fucking trash everywhere.

[1618] Well, that's one thing I really like about what you do too.

[1619] You always make videos of these trash that you pick up.

[1620] You bring a bag with you and you're...

[1621] Well, I started the thing.

[1622] So I brought a bunch of gear with me and I'm fortunate.

[1623] I've got really good sponsors and they send me a bunch of gear as well.

[1624] well so I could do the trip over here without bringing everything.

[1625] And I was walking around New Mexico actually and I was looking at all the trash sitting around.

[1626] And I was like, fuck it, I'm going to give away all my equipment for this trip, virtually all my main hunting gear, backpack, bow, frigging Yeti Kula, whatever, you know.

[1627] And for anyone that tags me in an image of them picking up trash, and I'm not going to say the description of it now because it's pretty much end that I've given the bow away and all my gear and uh because these hunters are doing that anyway but I just thought I'd really drive at home you know yeah and thousands and thousands of people tag me and them collecting rubbish out in public lands or wherever you know those people that were posting me they're picking it up on the the beach right here in LA you know collecting rubbish so it was because it's disheartening when you got that connection to the wild you see that you know like fuck that doesn't belong here you know those balloons those balloons that float away yeah holy they need to ban them fucking things because they drop somewhere someone walks out they let them go they end up somewhere it's usually on the mountain you know the mountain ends up catching them you know yeah yeah it just doesn't belong there i was out on the trail yesterday with uh my dog and just came across this bud light can and i just stopped and just staring at this can down the ground i wanted to find the guy who did it and shove it down his fucking throat what person does that why would just leave this bud light can i always think of that and like who would do that Like, it's such a beautiful place and just be like, whatever.

[1628] Just chuck it, leave it behind.

[1629] I see it everywhere, like, because a lot of people are like, I want to apologize on behalf of America.

[1630] I'm like, fuck, that's not America.

[1631] That's everywhere.

[1632] That's people everywhere.

[1633] But there's certain places that people are, there's different people.

[1634] New Zealand's one of them.

[1635] So New Zealand has like hundreds and hundreds of public land cabins.

[1636] Yeah.

[1637] Like, no fee, pretty much, nothing.

[1638] And if there is a fee, it's like five bucks.

[1639] and you can hike in or drive to these cabins and you're staying there and they've got mattresses in them they've got beds they've got the firewoods cut for you it's left there by the hunters or outdoors people before you and they're in pristine condition and there's a guest book too right yeah you're signing that a guest book if that was in australia if that was in america it'd be so fucking vandalized it's not funny yeah but new zealand's got a certain type of people that go into the out the bush the mountains and there's a certain respect that comes with it and maybe it's from Maori culture or something like that that goes with it where where that just doesn't happen the person that's here before you cleans it out they sweep it out they clean it they leave a bit of tin food there or whatever they cut new firewood they stack it where it can stay dry you know things like that and it's it and it's something that goes about saying with me and my people how we sort of do that's how we are respectable for the land but there's so many people that aren't that's a beautiful thing if you find a community like that that everybody agrees to respect that area everybody agrees to do that and take care of things i mean if you can really come across something like that like where you're talking about in new zealand there's a just a great feeling of community that comes yeah totally there's a there there seems to be a tight hunting community in america as well where obviously none of that thing would happen but there's so many people that go out into the outdoors that they belong there so i don't want to say they don't belong there but the truth is as soon as you litter or something you don't fucking belong there right yeah go back to your own fucking trash house you know yeah yeah yeah it's just it's so unfortunate it's so unfortunate that people do think like that they think so selfishly they just throw a water bottle on the ground yeah yeah no one's gonna notice it's out here in the wilderness that's what it is it's that so so self -centered that it's like no one or nothing else matters you know yeah there's so much of that there's so much of that I mean that's what I think's getting worse well it's people doing a poor job of raising people you know they're not paying attention yeah you know it's a they're raising shitty humans yeah i want to fight it like i've constantly been fighting it and that's why i have a social the social media and stuff to keep promoting the outdoors and good things in life and things like that but another part of me is like and i nearly did it last year i just like fuck i want to go off the grid like like really off the grid so solar power you know a couple of thousand acres of my own stuff like that and just because kim pretty much only eats game meat it now as well like that's how we've gone so we just want to eat game meat and it's like the next step would be having our own chickens collecting our own eggs growing our own vegetables like living off the land you know do you want to have like a phone out there fuck no so how long would you live out there for forever forever and ever and ever yeah how am i going to get in touch you do fucking i'll have a phone or your number and only and i just felt like cutting it all out you know like fucking cutting bills out cutting all that shit out cutting contact out yeah i get that do you still run your company to a degree i've got really good people that run it unfortunately my business partner she's an indigenous woman in that area she just passed away a couple of weeks ago oh i'm sorry to hear that yeah which is pretty sad but how long have you known her she's uh she's my stepmother so long time yeah so it's my dad's partner and so the indigenous then like they don't really live to a long age they're just they're they're sort of they're unhealthy in a sense because they're so not used to our process you know refined foods and things like that and because you know indigenous how old's Australia it's only a couple hundred years old and so you know to get the 60 it seems like it's a frigging miracle for them so I'm not sure how old she was but she wasn't very old and so unfortunately she passed away she was on a dialysis machine and her heart was really struggling and ended up giving out but um sorry where was i where was i going i get it like um you know you're just you were just talking about um being off the grid and whether or not you still run your company oh yeah so i've got really good people that run the business for me and um yeah everything's done by emails and phone calls and i hardly do any of that anymore i got my hear from them once a month if need be but i'd even look at selling the i'd probably look at selling the business especially after this has happened after she's done yeah yeah probably look at selling the business but it just depends her son um her son's going to take over her partnership you know the joint venture with her and stuff like that which would be really good for him and still you know allow an income into the family and things like that so so we'll just see where it goes but yeah i was really thinking about going off the grid and just like i've always wanted to be like that i've you know i just i love that lifestyle time seems to go a lot slower when you're out in the woods yeah for the start as you're doing exactly what you want to do you know i like being in contact with the world though i like both it's like i do appreciate off the grid times but for me i like them as like vacations.

[1640] But I like being in contact.

[1641] I want to know what's happening with the world.

[1642] I like, I like being, I like being aware of cultural change.

[1643] I like being, I mean, it's also because of what I do for a living as a comedian.

[1644] I sort of don't, I don't care for it.

[1645] Like, we don't watch the news at home.

[1646] We don't tune into anything like that.

[1647] We just sort of live our life.

[1648] And it's like what affects us, unless it's affecting the greater community in a sense, for the worse, you know, because the country's run by fucking clowns.

[1649] That's how I feel.

[1650] Your country as well?

[1651] Oh, yeah.

[1652] What's worse?

[1653] These fucks are too busy trying to look good in Parliament and argue with each other to get anything actually done, you know?

[1654] Like, what are the big issues in Australia?

[1655] I don't know, because I don't tune into it anymore.

[1656] Well, you guys have crazy immigration laws.

[1657] Like, you don't let anybody go over there.

[1658] Like, it's like people who think that the United States is rough with this whole wall thing.

[1659] Oh, yeah.

[1660] Australia takes that to a whole new level.

[1661] They ship people to an island.

[1662] Yeah.

[1663] Christmas Island.

[1664] It's a fucking nice island, though.

[1665] Is it?

[1666] Yeah.

[1667] Well, think about what you guys are.

[1668] I mean, you guys were a place to the British shipped all their prisoners to a way better place.

[1669] I did all the security fencing around some of the detention centers.

[1670] So you pretty much, you're on that island, you know, and then you get shipped to, like, the hottest, most fucking arid part of Australia.

[1671] Like, it's deaf.

[1672] And I did the fencing around there.

[1673] and then I believe they're there for so long and then they can you know they either get shit back home or they can go out to the broader community in Australia which they get treated very well obviously so is it just an assessment place like were they trying to find out you're criminal are you violent yeah I think that's the important thing you know that's why you can't just have open borders you know some terrorist comes in right some guy that thinks fucking rapes fine some guy that thinks you know crazy shit's fine you know assess those people and fucking send them off awful.

[1674] Yeah, but if you did that in the most arid part of America, people would be so angry because people start dying.

[1675] Well, people are angry in Australia as well.

[1676] And I think that has been deaths and stuff like that.

[1677] What are you supposed to do?

[1678] It's a tech, you know, it's a very, it's a hard situation.

[1679] It's not something that's just like, no, just let them through.

[1680] No, fuck no. And it's not like just don't let them through.

[1681] Right.

[1682] It's that middle ground again, you know, let's assess them.

[1683] Let's work it out.

[1684] Because I always think, what if I was in their shoes?

[1685] you know i've got kim and the kids or whatever and now we're in a country that's war fucking stricken i'd be trying to get the fuck out of there too yeah no matter what it took yeah you know well not no matter what it took but but no of course yeah i mean i always say that about people that are talking about people sneaking over this country i'm like this country is made out of immigrants yeah it's an immigrant country yeah and what do you expect when you got the whole fucking country's immigrants yeah yeah i mean that is that's like people in L .A. saying they don't want anybody moving to L .A. Yeah.

[1686] This is all the L .A. is.

[1687] Where are you from?

[1688] We'll look at Australia.

[1689] Like, if you're fucking white, you're an import.

[1690] Right.

[1691] And by the way, if you are one of the original people that came here, I mean, one of the original European settlers, you're probably a fucking slave owner.

[1692] Your grandparents were slave owners.

[1693] Like, if you didn't come over here as a recent immigrant, like I'm third generation, my grandparents came over here from Europe, if they didn't, then if they were for 10, 15 generations, they're probably fucking slave owners.

[1694] Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[1695] So stop.

[1696] I actually, I never feel a real good connect with anywhere I go, including my home, Australia, because I'm not indigenous.

[1697] You know, it's like weird, and so I've always looked at, because, you know, I don't worry about fucking flags or borders or anything like that.

[1698] I've just always looked at the world's home.

[1699] Well, especially because you spend so much time with the indigenous people in Australia because of work and that, you know, like in no disrespect to any flag.

[1700] I love the flag and I love what they stand for, but it's only someone's design.

[1701] A border is only something that someone's put on the map.

[1702] It's like a real weird thing like that.

[1703] It is a weird thing, but also you want to protect people from people that come from a place.

[1704] Oh, 100%.

[1705] Unless the whole world was the same, unless the whole world was on the same level.

[1706] You know, we're not going to do this.

[1707] We're not going to do that.

[1708] This is illegal.

[1709] This is fine.

[1710] Unless the whole world was like that, then borders would be easy to cross.

[1711] Well, that's essentially what America is.

[1712] We've been talking about this a lot, that America is essentially like Europe, but everybody speaks the same language, but you can go to any country.

[1713] Like, New Mexico is fucking way different than Miami.

[1714] Miami is way different than L .A. L .A. is way different than Seattle.

[1715] Those are all almost like completely different places.

[1716] But they're all, you could go to them.

[1717] I mean, ideally, that's where it would be.

[1718] It would be you could travel to anywhere where the opportunity was where you thought you could get a good job and you want to better yourself and your family, you'd have an opportunity.

[1719] Yeah.

[1720] the fact that currency and life values are different, for starters, is, you know, why that can't happen.

[1721] Yeah.

[1722] Yeah.

[1723] It'd be nice.

[1724] Well, it would be nice.

[1725] It would be nice if one day the whole world rises up.

[1726] And, you know, when you look at the Western world, whether it's Europe or the United States and places where things are going really well or Asia, it would be nice if the whole planet was like that.

[1727] If there was no third world, if everything was fantastic, if everything was just basically just like we're talking about here hey you can live in Phoenix or you can live in Billings, Montana or you could live in Massachusetts go wherever the fuck you want that's what we have here and we have a real unique thing in this country and that's why people want to come here yeah it's fucking good it's pretty dope I hear a lot of because you always hear the negative things and I hear a lot of people ragging on America in their own country and stuff like that you know this is fuck this fucking America is brilliant Australia is brilliant these countries are also fucking and lucky to be here.

[1728] Yeah.

[1729] You know?

[1730] Because you look at other parts of the world and you're like, fuck.

[1731] Yeah.

[1732] They can't feed their baby.

[1733] Yeah, exactly.

[1734] You know what I mean?

[1735] Yeah.

[1736] Like, yeah.

[1737] Yeah.

[1738] I think Africa, like I always fretting my kids, and it's not a fret because they love it.

[1739] But I always say, I'm fucking taking it to Africa.

[1740] Because however long ago when I went to Africa, like I was watching little babies in a village crawl around in like three, four inches of dust.

[1741] You know, every second person you met had fucking war scars on their face, you know, Mozambique and Zimbabwe and uh you're driving down there's a roadblock there's dudes with fucking AK -47s that are duct taped together there's a guy on the side of the road with a fucking bazooker a rocket launcher you don't know if they're friend or foe you know and this is just not at normal everyday life going for Africa there's a tourist bus on the side of the road it's fucking burnout and there's just bullet hole sprayed through a line of the windows you know and shit like that and it's like fuck this isn't australia this isn't America like this is different and and sometimes and my kids they're grateful but they're on a different tune than me you know and I'm just like fuck they need a trip to Africa and they can see not that I'm trying to expose someone else's life so my kids realize like but just so they can feel you know like you've got a good you know you got a good life you like appreciate it like it can be a lot harder it's hard to appreciate right it's like we're talking about going into the bush If you go into the bush for seven days, then you come out, you appreciate hot water.

[1742] You appreciate sunshine if you've been out in the rain.

[1743] But it's hard for people to appreciate it without actually experiencing it.

[1744] Because you can only conceptualize it so much in your head unless you're actually there.

[1745] It doesn't do it.

[1746] No, it doesn't.

[1747] And that's virtually reality is never going to touch on that either.

[1748] No. No, it's going to turn us into some weird spongy looking fucking soft.

[1749] jelly bag yeah exactly yeah i'm worried i'm really worried about the future but i guess that's just what happens i mean because it seems like look well my old nan and par would have been saying the same thing about our generation now well we are soft as fuck in comparison to chimps right our ancient ancient ancestors were something like chimps and they're probably looking at us now they'd be like look at these pussies with their shoes and they need how houses.

[1750] You can't even sleep in a tree, you fucking dummies.

[1751] You know what I mean?

[1752] Yeah, totally.

[1753] But we don't want to live like that either.

[1754] You know, maybe the Matrix would be so beautiful.

[1755] We're like, this Adam Green shit running around with a fucking gun that doesn't work, sticking it in the face of a grizzly there.

[1756] That's fucking funny.

[1757] I, um, if I'm hunting and it's raining, I always, what gets me out there and continues me to hunt in the rain is I'm like, it's fucking water.

[1758] Like, I have a shower every night when I'm at home.

[1759] I get the dry off afterwards.

[1760] Yeah.

[1761] But I'm like, have you ever seen animals in the rain?

[1762] Like, an animal will be like feeding and it's sunshine just feeding and then it will start pissing down raining it just keeps feeding yeah it doesn't even fucking like what it doesn't look up it's just fucking life you know that's life and i always think i'm just an animal like what's the difference i'll get hyperfermia and die well you have gortex but you get some underarmored gortex clothes on you're fine and then it's like but even if you don't it's like fuck whatever you just wet it's just water well the technology today like what they figured out for outdoor gear is so good good you wear you know like marino wool which even when it gets wet keeps your body warmth and there's the the water protection of this this gear so good there's so many different companies to make outstanding stuff now you can be fine in the rain exactly yeah yeah and yeah i just think we just keep getting so removed like as soon as it rains like everyone runs to the car runs how about here here they don't even know how to drive yeah oh fuck dude oh my god a little bit of drizzle everybody's like ah and then accidents everywhere people don't know they don't realize it gets slippery you dumb fucks change your driving fucking LA has been it's so goofy it's nearly upsetting because I'm like people have to do this every day to go to work oh traffic some people's lives oh yeah what the why the fuck would you do that like but people they're fucking caught up in the whole system if you drive out to like uh like you go up the five and head towards like Palmdale or Bakersfield or any place out there and you see traffic at like 6 o 'clock in the morning bumper to bumper just ridiculous all people making it to L .A. So they drive an hour all the way out to Palmdale, hour 15, hour 20 because the rent is cheaper and then they make their way or a home prices are cheaper.

[1763] Yeah, their life every day is three hours plus of driving in the car.

[1764] Orange County.

[1765] The people that live in Orange County, that place is fucking dense It's beautiful out there It's great, great place to live But god damn If you have to go anywhere Like if you have to drive to Hollywood Every day Good fucking luck Keeping your sanity There's probably in the car right now Listening to us Going fuck Sorry poor you What is this?

[1766] I5 reopens in the grapevine after What is this snow?

[1767] Last month when I first snowed Like this is the past in the I5 Where you're saying Like Palmdale area This is it was snowing in Palmdale It just shut everything down Yeah Oh, look at the amount of people.

[1768] They got stuck.

[1769] That's the thing.

[1770] If someone's got a goal and they're aiming towards that goal and they're doing a job to get that goal, then fucking good on them.

[1771] But other than that, if you're doing this for a fucking dead -end job.

[1772] Vehicles just sitting on the highway covered in snow.

[1773] Yeah, that's where you want a four -wheel drive truck with some good fucking knobby tires.

[1774] Fuck, no, that's when you want to just ring up and say I'm not coming.

[1775] Yeah, that too.

[1776] Damn.

[1777] Yeah.

[1778] Not good.

[1779] feel so sorry for anyone that's caught up with that it's so rare that it snows out there too no one knows what the fuck to do when it snows i grew up in boston and in the snow uh i had to drive every day in the snow because i delivered newspapers that was my job from the time i was like 17 till i was 22ish somewhere around there maybe the last time i stopped 22 23 i got up every fucking morning so it taught me two things one it taught me discipline because i had to to be up at 5 o 'clock in the morning no matter what even earlier on sunday because it was a big thick sunday papers you had to make multiple trips i even had a van that i bought a cargo van just to deliver newspapers in some shitty cargo van i forgot to change the oil and he seized on me i got brought it to the guy and i go what's wrong and he's like you didn't have any oil in i'm like fuck not good with cars but i drove in the snow every day man so if i'm in the snow today i'm like and i feel my ass end kick out.

[1780] I'm like, whoa, hey, I know what to do here.

[1781] I don't panic.

[1782] I don't slam on the brakes.

[1783] Like, I drove a lot in snow.

[1784] Did you remember having like a set goal at that point doing that job?

[1785] No, I just wanted to not work.

[1786] Yeah.

[1787] And nobody could tell me what to do when I was in my car because like the thing about it is I had a job.

[1788] This was my task.

[1789] I had hundreds of houses that I delivered newspapers to.

[1790] But I didn't have anybody with me while I was doing it.

[1791] So while I was doing it, nobody was telling me what to do.

[1792] No one was yelling at me. I'd listen to the radio, listen to talk radio and just listen to music, think about jokes and shit and just throw newspapers out the window.

[1793] Yeah.

[1794] It was nice.

[1795] Yeah, it is.

[1796] It was nice to not have someone.

[1797] It was better for me. I would way rather work seven days a week and it was only a few hours a day.

[1798] So even though it was every single day, it was only like three hours a day.

[1799] You know, I was done by eight and I'd go back to sleep.

[1800] Yeah, you got the biggest fucking podcast it's crazy i so i've been self -employed since i was 21 really yeah yeah and i had a big media company reach out to me not so long ago and the biggest thing that turned me off because the pricing and everything was right was i'm like i fucking can't take orders what would they want you to do i can take orders uh podcast types yeah pretty much own a lot of my content and and unfortunately a part of that would have been changing some of the companies that I'm with.

[1801] And like, I'm friends with the companies I'm with.

[1802] I'm with those companies because they're what I want to use.

[1803] You mean like hunting companies?

[1804] Yeah.

[1805] Yeah.

[1806] And, uh, but the thought of happened to be on someone else's timeline then.

[1807] Like I was like, I fucking don't want to do that.

[1808] Like right now, I'm just doing me and whatever happens happens.

[1809] And it's like your situation, you know.

[1810] Yeah.

[1811] If I even had a guy that I had check in with once a month and say so uh everything looks good we got an upward trend here i'd be like i would that fucking phone call would be haunting me yeah and i'm such a spare of the moment guy you know like this hunt's come up i'm going there right i want to do this with the kids or kid and the family i'm going and doing it i really like that so relaxing dude to be like that and that's why i built the business that i've got to where it is as well where i don't have to be at work continually.

[1812] How often are you putting out your podcast?

[1813] Right now, I've put a hold on it since this trip because it's just been so, even though this trip would have been epic to do it on, I just, I just haven't done it because everything's like so fast forward.

[1814] It's insane.

[1815] Plus, you have the kids with you.

[1816] That's hours out of the day that you just don't have.

[1817] Exactly, yeah.

[1818] But as soon as I get back home, which is like middle of February after the Western Expo, then I'm going to start pumping it again.

[1819] I love doing it.

[1820] The Expo and Salt Lake.

[1821] Yeah, yeah.

[1822] I love doing it.

[1823] When is that?

[1824] When is that in Salt Lake?

[1825] I think it's like 15th, 16th, 7th, for February maybe.

[1826] Really?

[1827] Yeah.

[1828] 15th, 7th, 700th.

[1829] You should get along.

[1830] I've been there before.

[1831] February 14th.

[1832] February 14th to the 7th.

[1833] Dead is free.

[1834] Western Expo in Salt Lake City, Utah.

[1835] Dad is free.

[1836] But Dad is not free on the 14th.

[1837] That's Valentine's Day.

[1838] You got to pick your battles, sir.

[1839] You do.

[1840] You got to pick your battles.

[1841] Hell yeah.

[1842] You got to know what to do.

[1843] like I make sure that I take plenty of family vacations around hunting trips yeah totally well you just went over to the big island didn't you um no we went to Maui oh yeah we did that for uh new years yeah yeah i decided to stop working on new years yeah because right now i can't really work anyway like legitimately for a couple months because i don't have enough material because i just did a netflix special and i want to make sure i don't want anybody coming to see me and i'm half -assed So if I'm doing sets around L .A., like right now, I could rock it for 20 minutes or a half hour.

[1844] That's easy.

[1845] I mean, that's not easy, but it's doable.

[1846] It's legit.

[1847] I don't feel like I'm a fraud.

[1848] Like if I do a half hour show, that's a real half hour show.

[1849] But it's not a real hour show.

[1850] Because our show, like in a theater or an arena, I really need an hour and 20.

[1851] Because I know you got to make sure everything's good.

[1852] It's just, there's a giant responsibility.

[1853] You don't want to leave anybody.

[1854] People get babies.

[1855] sitters and they take time out of the day.

[1856] I got to be prepared.

[1857] So I work hard at it.

[1858] So I was thinking about New Year's and when it came, they were trying to set up New Year's gigs for me and I'm like, not only am I not ready, I don't think I want to do it because it seems like such a big event.

[1859] Totally.

[1860] Like New Year's like, it's New Year's.

[1861] We're out.

[1862] I can't believe it.

[1863] We're celebrating.

[1864] It's like Vegas on crack.

[1865] You know, it's like the whole thing is just ramped up so far past normal.

[1866] It's so weird.

[1867] It's like a show show.

[1868] I would, so we were out in the desert.

[1869] It was just me, Kim and the kids on New Year's and to everything else just fucking turns like normal.

[1870] But to the human race, it's like, because it's written on a calendar, it's like this big deal, you know?

[1871] Yeah.

[1872] And it is cool, but fuck New Year seems like such a good time just to chill for me. Yeah, it was a good time to chill.

[1873] Yeah, we went to the, you know, we were staying at a resort in Maui and was beautiful and the food was great and it was, pick the beach was great just chill fucking awesome just chill yeah i need more of that in my life i need more chill time just everything i'm just doing so many different things like i have to balance it out with nothing sometimes there's because when i'm go go go sometimes i'm just like fuck i just want to sit on the couch and i feel lazy as fuck when i do it because i'm so used to go on but that sitting on the couch and watching a movie and just chilling it's like you recharge holy shit yeah you recharge yeah it totally is and it makes you hungry to go go, go again.

[1874] You know, sometimes I need that.

[1875] I need that for, that took me a while to figure that out with stand -up, too.

[1876] So, like, sometimes I need to take little breaks just to recharge my imagination, recharge my enthusiasm for it.

[1877] There's a balance in life.

[1878] Like, you can't work out five hours a day every day.

[1879] You break your body down.

[1880] Yeah, totally.

[1881] You need breaks.

[1882] And I think you need breaks with your imagination.

[1883] You need breaks with enthusiasm with everything.

[1884] Yeah.

[1885] Let the mine reset.

[1886] Yeah.

[1887] So, so what are you doing while you're in L .A.?

[1888] Like, how long are you going to be here for?

[1889] We just, so we did Disney with the kids and just chilled out.

[1890] We're leaving tomorrow, heading back to Utah, Salt Lake City.

[1891] What are you doing up there?

[1892] Pretty much getting organized to go back home.

[1893] So I'm going to drop the, I've got that Winnebago trailer.

[1894] I'm going to drop off there and unpacked.

[1895] Declada.

[1896] Yeah, I'm going to go visit Hoyt, yeah.

[1897] I'm going to send out a bunch of this shit that I said I'd give away and stuff like that.

[1898] Then we're going back to Utah.

[1899] Utah's been our base pretty much.

[1900] Some friends are up Utah.

[1901] Going to go back to Utah and pack up a. bunch of stuff and then i got a bison hunt that i'm going to do that's the last hunt why i'm in america and then down to the western expo we've got a like uh we're screening one of the movies that i did there i did a movie over in new zealand and uh the boys from uh bow hunt down under under in austria filmed it for me and they did a fucking awesome job well the one you guys did with cam the under armor one was fantastic that was really good yeah they were good they did a great job with that they're fun of the do than what the fucking movie is because you know they want to cut it down the 20 minutes they made that one pretty long where it was 20 something minutes but um because me and cam had like two weeks together fucking running around going wild it was awesome and uh there's so much that they can't show in that 20 minutes of course you know and like some really cool shit yeah but um i'm hoping to get cam out again this year i've got those two buffalo hunts lined up and uh yeah you need to come out too which would be fucking awesome you're out of your fucking line if you think i'm coming out of buffalo land i tell you what i was going to do i had it all fucking planned out what are you going to do build a city out there this whole trip i've been no no what i've been doing in america i've been collecting fucking spiders and snakes and shit like that and i was going to let them all fucking go in the studio dude i was i was going to let them all go in the studio i'm like fuck he'll never have me on again if i do that but i was going to bring one in here with me to show me just fucking no i was just going to let it out halfway through the episode and see if you could carry on i had it all fucking lined up And then I got changed because I had to go to Arizona.

[1902] I didn't go back to Idaho where all the fucking creepies are.

[1903] Yeah, I had to let them all go.

[1904] Did you go to Idaho at all this trip?

[1905] Heaps.

[1906] Idaho is fucking amazing.

[1907] Idaho might be like the undiscovered gem.

[1908] Like the unrecognized gem in this country.

[1909] There's fucking no one there, dude.

[1910] There's no one there.

[1911] But Boise is fantastic.

[1912] I fucking love that city.

[1913] I had a great time there, man. It's beautiful.

[1914] And the mountains out there are so.

[1915] Yeah, it is.

[1916] It's a pretty place.

[1917] So our friends are based there.

[1918] So every time we fly in, every year when we fly in, I usually fly in the Idaho first, right up high near Spokane, like near Washington.

[1919] And then we end up driving from there to Southern Colorado, Southern Colorado, New Mexico, back to Southern Colorado, because Kim had a prong on tag stealing.

[1920] She ended up tagging a prong on.

[1921] Then this is how much shit I've fucking done on this trip.

[1922] I had to get Kim to fucking write it down, because I'm like, where have we been it's been hectic and um i think i've been to idaho like four or five times in this trip like back and forth back and forth wow did you ever go to cordalane yep yeah i haven't been yet that's where my friends are near cordalane it's beautiful i heard the water is so clear and you can see like a hundred feet down to the bottom it's a fucking nice spot i've got to bring up this message and read it out it's yeah it's been crazy yeah so we end up we flew in the Idaho.

[1923] Then we went to Southern Colorado.

[1924] Then we went to New Mexico, back to Southern Colorado, back up to Idaho.

[1925] And then I end up flying out, no, we end up driving the eastern Oregon to hunt bull elk.

[1926] Then I end up flying out to Arizona to hunt elk as well on the Navajo Reservation, which was really cool.

[1927] Then we, then I flew to BC, a hunted moose.

[1928] Then I flew back.

[1929] Then we went to Kentucky.

[1930] I drove all the way to Kentucky with the kids, which took like four or five days.

[1931] That was fucking insane.

[1932] We took our time and we were sort of checking it out.

[1933] You know where there's nothing?

[1934] Where?

[1935] Where there's absolutely nothing.

[1936] What?

[1937] Nebraska, dude.

[1938] Holy fuck.

[1939] We drove for hours and hours through Nebraska and like seen nothing but like cornfields or something like that.

[1940] Sorry anyone from Nebraska, but Nebraska was boring as fuck.

[1941] People from Nebraska right now.

[1942] Oh my gosh.

[1943] They're tuning out.

[1944] I'm sure there's some pretty places.

[1945] Yeah, I don't think so.

[1946] I think they know about it.

[1947] Yeah, that's right, yeah.

[1948] Wasn't that?

[1949] Was it, oh, Kansas was Dorothy, Wizard of Oz.

[1950] Yeah, then we went to Texas.

[1951] We drove down to Texas.

[1952] How long have you guys been here?

[1953] Four plus months.

[1954] Your kids are holding up remarkably well.

[1955] Oh, they're awesome.

[1956] They look like they're having a good old time.

[1957] Yeah, they are, yeah.

[1958] At least in front of you.

[1959] There's been some good arguments on the way, but they're pretty good.

[1960] I'm like, fuck, they're like either locked in a trailer or locked in the car or we're in like an Airbnb or something like that and they're all gathered together and it's not until you're around other people's kids that you realize how good your own kids are.

[1961] Like that's because I'm always like, they're naughty, you know, and then you're around other kids and like, fuck our kids are saints.

[1962] What are you, Santa Claus?

[1963] Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[1964] They're naughty.

[1965] But yeah, then we went from Texas to Utah, hung out at Utah for a while.

[1966] Then I drove back to Colorado, come back to Utah.

[1967] again.

[1968] Well, what's ironic is that you as an Australian and your family as Australians are getting to see more of America than most Americans ever do.

[1969] That's how I fucking get out there and do it.

[1970] Get out there and do it.

[1971] It's a beautiful place we live in.

[1972] Yeah.

[1973] I think some people don't have the means to.

[1974] Yeah.

[1975] You know, like, and that's why people are driving through this fuck traffic every day to try and make the means to do that, you know.

[1976] Yep.

[1977] Yeah.

[1978] It's a grind out there, fuckers.

[1979] Yeah.

[1980] It's a grind.

[1981] Yeah, the traffic does my fucking head in.

[1982] Concrete does my head in.

[1983] Mass people do my head in like i'm walking around disney like fuck yeah but isn't it fun to do like every now and again i like to go to new york city every now and again just go jesus all these fucking people have you been have you yeah i have yeah yeah it's crazy that's the trippiest trip in all of this fucking wild ass country i think look the reason why hunters get so much flack from a lot of people is because they are stuck in that they don't know the other end of things yeah you know They don't know the wilderness side of things because they're fucking jammed in there.

[1984] I always think, like, that's why I love promoting it as well so much.

[1985] Like, people don't even know about this.

[1986] They don't even know it exists.

[1987] They don't even know this is something you can do.

[1988] They don't know the rewards from it.

[1989] Also, they feel morally detached from the food that they're eating.

[1990] Like, they don't feel like an obligation to their food.

[1991] They don't feel like, I mean, it's just a steak.

[1992] There's no connection.

[1993] And because of that, they don't feel like they did anything wrong.

[1994] No, that's right.

[1995] Whereas, you know, if you shoot a thong.

[1996] and you know and you're like oh you shot a baby yeah yeah you know like oh like what do you think your veal is stupid what do you think lamb made i had four legs and was run around did you order the rack of lamb yeah you ordered a baby that's a baby lamb is a baby sheep you fuck but most people that's weird i don't so i don't hate on it because i understand it like that the population of the world demands that yes but if someone hates on me for it then you've got to point it out i'm still not hating on it yeah i'm just pointing it out oh yeah you're doing the same thing but someone else is doing it for you yeah it's out of ignorance yeah yeah and even if you're a vegan or a vegetarian you know that's still kills animals like have a look at the cleared land to be a vegan they need to clear land you know so it's like that's that whole middle ground again yeah unless you were running organic farm yourself if everyone went vegan we'd fucking have to clear mass amounts of land kill mass amounts of animals and everything like that do you know what mean.

[1997] And if everyone went hunters, then fucking we'd slaughter the fuck out of so much wildlife.

[1998] It's not funny.

[1999] Well, on top of that, you wouldn't be able to just let those animals loose.

[2000] Like, this idea that you'd let all the cows loose.

[2001] You'd have bulls slamming into fucking cars on the street.

[2002] And just devastating, like, you know, ground that can't be trampled on it or stuff like that.

[2003] But it's that middle ground.

[2004] Yeah, some vegans and vegetarians are good.

[2005] You know, some hunters and that are good.

[2006] And then there's that middle ground, which is all the normal cunts.

[2007] you know that just understand like I've got to eat meat it's not actually damaging you know I can eat some vegetables that's not damaging like it's just everything in its place yeah you know I think your perspective is very healthy that it's good to have these extreme animal rights activists because it balances everything out we need balance yeah yeah yeah I agree just don't fuck a mouth off of me about it don't mouth off your cunts that's all it is you can't why does sound so much better with an Australian accent because it's so normal in Australia Yeah, that's what it is.

[2008] Even when your wife says it, it's just like, it's normal.

[2009] Yeah, yeah.

[2010] It's normal.

[2011] So our friend Sam Soholt, which he put up a post and it was about some politician.

[2012] I got his shirt right here.

[2013] Yeah, there you go.

[2014] Beautiful.

[2015] I was wearing his shirt earlier.

[2016] He makes some awesome shirts.

[2017] Yeah.

[2018] I was sweating in the other ones I'd wear it here.

[2019] Public landowner.

[2020] That's it, baby.

[2021] Shout out to Sam.

[2022] Hell yeah.

[2023] My boy.

[2024] So he put this post up and it's about this politician that, you know, he goes, you know, it's a pretty decent fucking writing that he's done up about you know how the guy's not doing his job and stuff like that and they're going to take this public what land away from us or close it and I'm in the comments I'm like so basically what you're saying is he's a cunt and like we can get there a lot quicker this dude's a cunt he's not doing his job and uh fuck some people took offence to it yeah I'm like but sam explained to him he's like he's an Australian it's very normal it's a prison comedy but out here it's like you're satan oh yeah you know it's like saying i'm not even going to say it i know it's a it's a bad word it's a bad word yeah it's not like over there it's like a gentle it's like fucker hey yeah yeah totally yeah like if jamie if jamie walked in here and he said that to me i'd be like hey what's up it would it would be normal there's four things you can't do you can't say anything bad about white tower hunting can't say anything bad about fucking Jesus.

[2025] You can't say the word cunt, and I can't remember what the fourth one was.

[2026] It might have been something about the American flag, like, fucking, don't go there.

[2027] Leave the flag alone, sir.

[2028] Don't go there.

[2029] Leave the flag alone.

[2030] That fucking flag is beautiful.

[2031] That motherfucker out there, son.

[2032] Yeah.

[2033] All right.

[2034] Dude, we just did three hours again.

[2035] Wow.

[2036] Just flew by.

[2037] Wow.

[2038] It's because of this fucking crazy coffee.

[2039] It's coffee.

[2040] There's rooms.

[2041] Rooms a goddamn time walk.

[2042] Fuck, I wanted Kanye to be in here at the same time so we can gang up on him and talk him in the bow hunting.

[2043] We got this little Kanye.

[2044] We got a little Kanye right here.

[2045] Killer Mike's coming on the podcast soon.

[2046] He said that he wants to go El Conning with me, but his wife won't let him hunt with white people.

[2047] So I told her that I'm 1 .6 % African.

[2048] So we'll see what we can do.

[2049] Thanks for having me on the show for the foot.

[2050] My pleasure, brother.

[2051] It's always a good time to see you, my friend.

[2052] And we've got to schedule another Lanai trip.

[2053] Hell yeah.

[2054] Let's make it happen.

[2055] Or Northern Territory Australia.

[2056] Or Lanai.

[2057] Or Lanai.

[2058] Stay at the Four Seasons.

[2059] Love you, buddy.

[2060] That was cool.

[2061] It always is.