95 - Gesus

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only Martyrs in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] Okay, let's get Zen.

[17] Yeah, let's get real Zen.

[18] Put your hands in prayer position.

[19] and rub them together a little bit.

[20] Just a little bit of friction.

[21] This is ASMR now.

[22] That's right.

[23] And get ready for and...

[24] Throw the dice.

[25] This is my favorite murder.

[26] Featuring Georgia Hardstock.

[27] And featuring Karen Kilgara.

[28] With a sidebar element of Stephen Ray Morris.

[29] Right over there on the ground.

[30] There he is.

[31] Where you expect him to be.

[32] And he always is.

[33] I'm cozy.

[34] He's there.

[35] I would never.

[36] be cozy sitting in the position that Steven is.

[37] I've offered him a chair.

[38] Can we can we go ahead and it's how he likes it.

[39] Yeah.

[40] He's into yoga.

[41] He must be.

[42] Yeah.

[43] Well, he's fucking young and you can sit however you want when you're young.

[44] I'm 37.

[45] I don't even know what it's like not that I'm I'm so old.

[46] He's very young.

[47] He's a young man. All the cartilage in his knees is still there.

[48] Nothing is broken.

[49] Hi.

[50] Hey.

[51] We're back from from our amazing leg of the tour down in Texas.

[52] dude i knew that would be special i knew that trip would be a special trip it was so good i mean they all really are in their own way and that sounds cheesy but it really is true yeah um and these ones were great they were just so great yeah in every way i mean why why name them right but they just were many ways you know all the ways there's so many ways you can just imagine somebody did make me and i'm sorry i don't know your name offhand but it was the second night in dallas and a woman came up and just handed me a very beautiful silver box and inside she made a box full of moth cookies.

[53] So it was the box of moths that I fear, but in cookie form, which I don't fear.

[54] And I think it may have erased my phobia of getting a box of moths in the mail.

[55] It happened and you were happy about it.

[56] No one got hurt.

[57] They were delicious cookies.

[58] Are you scared of getting dead moths in the mail or live moths?

[59] Like opening a box and having moths fly into my face.

[60] Open your face.

[61] like Silence of the Lamb style yes and it's all is it the moths also or is it or just or is it also the connotation of what what would mean for one to take the time to send you a box of moths yeah how creepy specifically that would be although I'm not exactly sure whenever we were talking about that it just came out of my mouth right and um have this fucking pocket this is called like a journey into the subconscious that we never want to talk about again well remember that so we were about we were in Dallas and we met in the lobby of the hotel and when we were like leaving for the show and we were like, did someone knock on your door and hand you a present?

[62] And I had been freaked out because I got a knock on the door.

[63] I was like who the fuck is it?

[64] It was like the cons of like a whatever.

[65] A guy that worked there.

[66] A guy that worked there which like you don't want a dude fucking knocking at your door anyways when you're alone out of the shower.

[67] And he was like, he, you know, said someone had given a present so I opened the door, which I don't know what I was thinking, handed me a gift bag and was like and then i was like okay someone knows where i'm staying now and this is creepy and scary and i don't know who this is yes and then happen to you too it happened to me and i this is the part of the brag that that i want to tell the most which is that our rooms were so big and beautiful at that hotel that someone would knock on the door this happened to me multiple times and it would take me so long to get to the door that they would either knock again or try to open the door no well but it would be like say it would turn down or the maid or something like that because i always forget to put that leave me alone thing on the door i always forget i always want to leave me alone yeah Vince and i fucking this is how compatible we are the moment we we don't close the door to the hotel room before putting the leave me alone i got to adapt to that oh my god because it's there's nothing worse than when a person comes into your room they don't want to be there when you're there and you it's like you're being a creep by having not put the sign on the door totally so anyway the guy knocked i was walking over knocked again and i said who is it no one answered, knocked again, I said who is it, but it was close enough to, I thought maybe it was you joking around and I did my pants on.

[68] So then I was like, oh, I'm just got to open the door is our funny joke of opening the door with no clothes on.

[69] Right.

[70] But then, this is actually a thing that's happened a couple times.

[71] I love surprising with no clothes on.

[72] It's my favorite joke.

[73] It's a pretty good one.

[74] But I, so I stood behind the door, opened it.

[75] It was a dude and he was like, here's a present for you.

[76] He didn't say here's a present for you.

[77] And I kept the door so closed that I basically only could fit my arm out, grabbed the bag, pulled it in, and slammed the door.

[78] Didn't say thank you.

[79] I didn't say anything.

[80] And it was really scary.

[81] Well, then of course, we meet the woman who dropped those things off.

[82] Yeah.

[83] She's like, oh, did you guys get my bag that I sent you the present?

[84] And I was terrified and we were like, how do we look into this?

[85] I'm going to yell at the front desk of what's going on.

[86] Did she call around Texas looking for the fucking right our minds of course went in fucking insane in the way where if other people could hear us they'd be like calm down assholes like this is not that big of a deal well but when the explanation finally came it was like really embarrassed first we saw her and she was just like the sweetest blonde texan like angel face so i'm like all right if this is the girl who's gonna kill us it's like okay it's pretty good way to go she's fine she's sweet she'll do it nicely but then she was like did y 'all get my present i saw vin's in the parking lot of my hotel and so I sent it up like she just knew that we were staying there in the most natural non -evasive invasive way possible right she knew and this so sent us up some and also it's the thing that everyone we were going crazy for and everyone in texas we learned that there's a there's a gas station called buckies that's beloved and buckies makes a product Steve, and I don't know if you know this already, they make a product called beaver nuggets that are essentially, um, crack cocaine dipped in fucking like maple sugar some shit.

[87] Yeah.

[88] There's a pork grind element, but also kind of like puffed sea cup puffed corn cereal.

[89] Yeah.

[90] But then maple like coating.

[91] Yeah.

[92] And something about it.

[93] Like they don't look great.

[94] It's almost got a cotton candy element.

[95] Yes.

[96] Because it's just like sugar and air.

[97] But we were eating them.

[98] like lunatics.

[99] So many of those.

[100] And that's what she sent up.

[101] It was like the loveliest gift of like welcome to Texas.

[102] Yeah.

[103] We're like fucking you're going to kill us.

[104] We're like propelling down the side of the building to avoid being in the front.

[105] It was so crazy.

[106] But it's just that thing of like you know, I don't know.

[107] Can we do one last on the road story?

[108] Really quick because that's my favorite of this, the chicks whose sister the chick and her sister?

[109] Yes.

[110] Okay.

[111] So after the after live shows we do like a meet and greet thing where we meet so many cool people like listening.

[112] and take photos with them and a lot of them give us presents like boxes of chocolate of candy moths or whatever yeah so one girl when came in medicine she was so nice and she was like you guys got me through some really hard times thank you so much whatever we're like great okay and then we go to take a photo with her and as the photo is about to be taken yeah there's like that moment of silence where we all turn to the camera and are like fake smile do a weird pose and right in that moment she goes she's like whispered what the lady did and then georgia's going to do what she did Okay, so the lady goes, my sister's dying.

[113] And Georgia laughed just like that.

[114] Louder.

[115] Like, Georgia burst out laughing.

[116] I was cracking up.

[117] Because when you're in a horrified position sometimes, you just laugh.

[118] Well, and it was so quiet.

[119] It was like, I also think it was the tension of like, what the fuck are we going to do now?

[120] My sister's dying.

[121] My sister's dying.

[122] So then Georgia laughs.

[123] Then the pictures taking is over.

[124] Georgia.

[125] I didn't say it like that.

[126] You were kind of like, don't do that.

[127] Well, I was just like, that.

[128] You admonished me in a way you've never admonished me before.

[129] Well, you were laughing because she said her sister is dying.

[130] I didn't say you were in the wrong at all.

[131] I 100 % agree with you.

[132] So I turn to the woman.

[133] After the photo, we were like, oh my God, both those are you okay?

[134] Like, what are you talking about?

[135] We're like, tell us everything.

[136] I contact, turned, you know, circle up, huddle up.

[137] This is going to be a moment.

[138] This is a thing and we're here for you.

[139] We get it.

[140] and then she goes she is so jealous that she's not here right she just dying used the wrong phrasing right in the moment of silence so it's it felt like she was basically saying i'd like to tell you this very sad thing my sister is dying my sister's dying is how she meant to say it yeah so now we know how i react in moments of fucking horror and now we know i don't know it was hilarious that's about it was super um And also she thought it was kind of funny once we were like, we thought your sister was dying.

[141] And then she was like, oh, no, no, she's fine.

[142] We were like mad at her.

[143] Yeah, because that was a lot.

[144] Okay, tell me. I do have a corrections corner.

[145] Okay.

[146] And this really is only for the people that were at our second show in Dallas.

[147] When I did the story of Terry Hoffman, who was this crazy cult leader, it was one of my favorite murder stories I've ever done.

[148] But at the end, I, I said she died in 1997, which was very odd.

[149] I, like, pulled it out because I didn't have it on the page.

[150] Right.

[151] And I'd forgotten to write, I had some notes I wanted to make, and I just didn't do it.

[152] So I just wanted to tell everybody, she actually died in 2015 at age 77.

[153] That is a big difference in time.

[154] She just kept going.

[155] She was just, like, not giving up on this cold dream.

[156] No, she wasn't at all.

[157] And she, um, she, that book that she made was, um, the color of money, uh, The power of color, money force or the color of money power force.

[158] It's some bullshit book about like, and we talked about it that night, whatever color you wear is going to bring you money in different degrees.

[159] No. How about a fucking vintage orange clown blanket?

[160] Is that going to bring me a lot?

[161] Because that's what I'm wearing right now.

[162] Oh, look.

[163] There's a $50 bill stuffed underneath your butt.

[164] Oh, no, that's just where I keep my money.

[165] Oh, oh, just stuffed right under your one cheek.

[166] I have a second corrections corner Okay This is for everybody Last week I said that the director of Wind River was a woman And it certainly is not a woman I don't remember any of this I'm not sure Exactly where I got it But it was the movie that I was talking about I watched it on the plane And it was really good It was about the murder on Like Native American land And it was So I said If it's Taylor I'm gonna look it up really quick.

[167] The director's name is Taylor Sheridan and that's a man. Taylor is an interchangeable name.

[168] It is, but I feel like I should have at least glanced at a Wikipedia.

[169] But I think I I thought I remembered a female woman of love like a Native American female woman getting accolades and so I kind of really combined it all in my mind.

[170] Anyway, Okay.

[171] Props to Taylor Sheridan because it's such a good movie.

[172] Okay, I'll watch it.

[173] Can I tell you something?

[174] From the internet?

[175] Yes.

[176] Okay.

[177] I found an article recently.

[178] It says, it's from a place, it's, a D .C. 101 is like a, is the name of the website.

[179] And it says, weird news.

[180] The voice behind many bestselling books on tape is actually a serial killer.

[181] No. So it turns out that in, in the 80s, a blind couple.

[182] showing their appreciation to the prisoners of the california medical facility state prison who have voiced uh they they started a program to have the inmates of their voice audiobooks okay it was the program was then run by our friend ed kemper no so it's called volunteers of vacaville or the blind project um they were recorded thousands of books bestsellers textbooks mysteries science fiction, Western's children's books, and cookbooks onto tape cassettes.

[183] From 1977 to 87, Kemper had spent over 5 ,000 hours in the recording booth, and had more than 4 million feet of tape and several hundred books to his credit, including, and this is the best one, flowers in the fucking addict.

[184] Addict!

[185] Addict!

[186] Addict!

[187] God damn it!

[188] Flowers in the addictions.

[189] Flowers in the addict.

[190] Why do I do that?

[191] Okay, purely based on Mind Hunter, the wonderful series on Netflix that I personally love, and the way that actor played Ed Kemper.

[192] Oh, can you?

[193] Imagine Flowers in the Attic as that guy in that kind of nerdy voice like that.

[194] She touched his groin.

[195] Is that in the book?

[196] I don't know.

[197] They were her sister and brother touching groins.

[198] My brother were like that.

[199] We have to track that down somewhere.

[200] I mean, I would never listen to that in a million years.

[201] I would.

[202] What if I started falling asleep to that at night?

[203] Because you know it's relaxing.

[204] No, it is not.

[205] Calming and relaxing.

[206] No. It's when I knew fall asleep at night books.

[207] And then I kill a bunch of people.

[208] And they're not related at all.

[209] I find, and I've already bragged that I'm sound sensitive, I find people's voices to be a real make or break.

[210] Uh -huh.

[211] And knowing that a person who had that voice.

[212] Oh, right.

[213] was also a psychotic killer who beheaded his own mother.

[214] It would be a hard break for you.

[215] That would be a tough one to separate and not hear all the crickly crags of insanity and murder in there.

[216] There enough.

[217] So I can listen to a book about murder while falling asleep, but I can't listen to it.

[218] I shouldn't listen to a book by a murderer, read by a murderer.

[219] I don't think so.

[220] I don't think you need that in their subconscious.

[221] Because you do the thing where, you know, when like you look at old photos of a murderer and you're like, do I see it?

[222] Can I see it?

[223] Yes.

[224] I can see it in his eyes.

[225] Right.

[226] Well, I hear it in his voice.

[227] You absolutely will.

[228] Of course I will.

[229] How do you think?

[230] Yes.

[231] If nothing else, you're to be hearing the voice of a sociopath who has no human, like normal human connection to the book.

[232] He's just not going to do the book justice.

[233] We read so much VC Andrews when I was like 12.

[234] Me too.

[235] It should have been taken away from us.

[236] It should have been banned.

[237] Listen, I'm not for banning books.

[238] No, not really, but.

[239] But B .C. Andrews had some shit going on.

[240] Do you ever read my sweet Audrina?

[241] Yes.

[242] Okay, I obsessed on that concept.

[243] It was so good.

[244] What if my parents have brainwashed me and I don't remember my actual childhood?

[245] Like, that whole concept was unbelievable.

[246] Can I tell you how badly I wanted to have been adopted and had been, I wanted to have been kidnapped by my parents and they weren't really my parents?

[247] Yep.

[248] What the fuck is wrong.

[249] Why would they?

[250] Because it's just like exciting.

[251] Like you're just sitting there in front of your TV dinner, you know what I mean?

[252] Like having your normal life and you were like, what has something happened?

[253] What is something cool happened?

[254] Yeah.

[255] Like I didn't belong here.

[256] Yeah.

[257] Let's start, let's read that again.

[258] Let's book club it right now.

[259] Yes.

[260] Do you want to?

[261] Yes.

[262] Oh my God.

[263] Let's all read.

[264] Which one do you want to do?

[265] Do you want to do my sweet adrina?

[266] I don't remember most of my sweet adrina, but it gives me chills.

[267] So I must know something is going on in that book.

[268] I'm pretty sure that's the one where at one point the adoptive mother, somebody scrubs somebody else with bleach in a bathtub.

[269] Fun.

[270] Do you remember that?

[271] No. Like, you must get clean.

[272] And it's hot clean.

[273] No, let's do it.

[274] If it's not that one, it's a different Let's do that one or Flowers in the Attic.

[275] Let's start with, which we start with.

[276] I kind of want to do my sweet odd dream just because it's a little bit like I just rewatch the they did that Flowers in the Attic made for TV movie on Lifetime.

[277] Oh my God.

[278] Did you watch it, Stephen?

[279] Did Molls do an episode?

[280] No, but she should.

[281] No, she absolutely should.

[282] Wait, will you tell her, I'll do it with her if she does it?

[283] Yes, so yeah.

[284] Oh, Mals want to do it too?

[285] Sure.

[286] Mals has a podcast called Mother May I Sleep with Podcasts.

[287] Mother May I Sleep with Podcasts that we've both done where you watch a fucking made -for -TV Lifetime movie.

[288] And did she stop doing it?

[289] She's seasonal.

[290] So because, you know, you go beat by beat of the movie.

[291] So she does it in 15 episode chunks, takes a few months off.

[292] Oh, makes sense.

[293] Well, then we all have time to absorb it, watch it 15 times.

[294] like write you know full essays on it okay all right malls Molly McLeerer we're coming at you coming for you but everybody else that wants to do this let's all read my sweet Adriena like do you want to go pick up copies tomorrow sure today it will be it has to be a used like paperback coffee too let's say that it has to be a haunted coffee that's haunted with the tears of a of a fucking girl from the 80s who's like I hope I get kidnapped yes by the hot That's cut that out.

[295] I don't know.

[296] But if you can go to a thrift store that has the copy of this, or your mother or your grandmother's bookshelf, it makes me think of the cabin we used to stay in in Blue Lake that had all kinds of, it's Stephen King, V .C. Andrews, they had all that shit at this cabin.

[297] You could just go pick some horrible book you're going to read while you were there for the week.

[298] Oh, it sounds amazing.

[299] So we're going to, we're all starting my sweet Audrina this Friday.

[300] Yeah, because, so next week is Thanksgiving.

[301] So we're putting a live episode up.

[302] And so let's meet back here in a week.

[303] In two weeks.

[304] In two weeks at the beginning of December.

[305] Whatever our next apartment episode is.

[306] We'll meet you here.

[307] And we will have read and we will be ready to discuss my sweet Adriene.

[308] You guys, this is epic.

[309] Epic?

[310] Send us notes.

[311] Your thoughts.

[312] All right.

[313] Okay.

[314] why am I so excited oh because it's the best thing we've ever done um other things oh really quickly we have a couple new tour dates because you guys got really angry about certain things and messaged our fucking tour agent joe yes um February 15th we added a second show to salt lake city uh at kingsbury hall those go on sale Friday November 17th which i think is chimro yeah so salt lake city second show you got your second show salt lake city god bless you got demanding it you scared our fucking agent show and that's how you have to do it in this business how you do it come at them uh Dublin is that a second show uh yeah but they already put it up for sale so uh it's May 7th it's vicar street and it's already on sale they didn't do any kind of hold they were like fine we're doing it so Dublin's May 7th second show yep and then May 17th um we added a second show this is a first this is a new show oh this is new sorry sorry May 17th um Glasgow Scotland we are doing a show for you and I just would like to say I lived there in 2002 yeah I lived within you Glasgow for I think three months so come come support your home girl yeah come say hi again hey remember me yeah hey I never understood what a lot of people were saying here but I really had the best time so those also go on sale tomorrow the show is going to be at the is it the O2 Academy.

[315] Is that how you pronounce it?

[316] Yeah, the O2 Academy.

[317] O2 Academy.

[318] Basically, just go to my favorite murderer .com slash live for all the details and all the other shows we're doing that are fucking, we're really excited about.

[319] 2018's going to be rad.

[320] We're getting new merch.

[321] It's going to be a new, like a fucking new experience.

[322] It's going to be, we're having the best time on the road.

[323] You guys are so fun to come and meet and do shows with it's, we really are.

[324] It's quite, it's a peak experience oh and we're um we're it's a peak experience we're reposting you um our holiday uh our holiday design our holiday merch design so go to my favorite murder shirts .com and check out the um ugly holiday sweater kind of like spoof that we did on that yeah it's from it's one of george's earliest uh concepts was it yours or mine no no i don't know did kirsten just do it from the printfall I can't remember I don't know I mean I know she Kirsten designed it Yeah But I can't remember which one of us Thought of it I won't take credit Because I don't remember I have no I won't either It's basically a really cute Looking Christmas design That says here's the thing Fuck everyone in it And like stay sexy Don't get murdered But it looks like a Christmas sweater Yeah It's great But it's also like a sweatshirt So you don't have to wear You can still have an ugly Christmas sweater Without the heat or discomfort Of an ugly Christmas sweater Right you get a t -shirt There's gonna be a mug Listen come on We're doing it all for you look We're here for you look look and listen please at my favorite murder shorts .com .com.

[325] Goodbye.

[326] Dot org.

[327] Dot org.

[328] You know.

[329] Dot.

[330] What's a, is there like a religious one?

[331] Dot something.

[332] Dot, G -E -S -U -S -U -S.

[333] G -E -S -U -S.

[334] You just felt Jesus wrong.

[335] Miss Catholic.

[336] That's because I was trying to include everybody.

[337] Some people call God.

[338] Some people call them Yahweh.

[339] hold on g -es -us -us wow that's my i think my addict my addict has been usurped as the i do not mean to complain but recently i've been in states of mind of being so tired and drained yeah or just like we just talk too much information there's so much talking that i hear things come out of my mouth or i'm doing that weird thing if like you hold a door open for someone and they walk through and then you're like you're welcome tomorrow or you say just some totally weird thing and you think you're saying the normal thing yeah I get it horrifying it's fun no it's not it's a good time um who's first this week you know what we started let's let's talk about this really quickly okay we decided that and I think we should talk more about this of who should be first this week meaning if your fucking murder is horrifying and awful and I have a fucking delightful black widower from the fucking 1800s who just like kills all her husband it's like well I should go second to like bring it back up that's right like last week I went second and did the Bernies and that is just a terrible story and you should have closed it right and same with remember the last night I did the story of the boy that killed his father right and same exact thing where we're both like anyway and I did a fucking guy who dressed up as Santa Claus in the early 1900s and robbed bank.

[340] And it was hilarity ensued.

[341] So much hilarity ensued.

[342] And this is Dallas, third night in Dallas.

[343] Was it third night?

[344] I don't know.

[345] And no idea.

[346] So I should have closed.

[347] So we can we can look back in remembrance.

[348] Oh, we want.

[349] But we're maybe maybe when one of us knows we're doing a murder, our story is a fucking horrific.

[350] And we can tell the other person like, hey, this isn't a closer.

[351] Are you?

[352] can you do the closer yes that sounds fine to me okay so mine right now it can be a closer if you need it to be okay how's yours uh uh uh not okay oh my god perfect so we parents first right now we are now officially dismantling the who went first last time unless we need it unless it doesn't matter unless we how will we go back to it when we've whenever we decide okay we'll make it up on the spot oh yeah that's right it's we can do it a real right there's no four This is all pretend.

[353] All right.

[354] Okay, great.

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[376] Hey, this is exciting.

[377] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[378] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[379] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[380] Who killed Saz?

[381] they really after Charles?

[382] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[383] This season murder hits close to home.

[384] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[385] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

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[389] Only murders in the building premieres august 27th streaming only on hulu goodbye this um i it's funny because in thinking of that i worked on a couple different murders and i did this in texas a couple times where i'd start something and i'd be like this is too depressing yes so like there was the killing fields i i was working on the killing fields because it's right outside houston and it is a place where a either one or several serial killers go to dump young women's bodies.

[390] It's been going on for years.

[391] No one's ever, I think they caught one guy that's connected to 11 murders, but they haven't caught all of them.

[392] It's the bleakest...

[393] There's a show called The Eleven right now that you can watch.

[394] I think it's an Annie show on demand.

[395] Oh, is that true?

[396] About them, yeah, it's good.

[397] On Annie?

[398] Well, it's on demand.

[399] I don't know who did it.

[400] Oh, okay.

[401] That's great.

[402] Yeah.

[403] Because it's very involved and convoluted and I got, I would say a quarter of the way through it.

[404] And then I was like, this is, this is For a live show, especially, it's just so bleak.

[405] Well, we get so many people at live shows being like, you shouldn't, why didn't you do this murder?

[406] And it's like, because it's so fucking depressing.

[407] Not because we don't want to or didn't know about it.

[408] Right.

[409] It's just like hearing the audience's silence when you're talking about fucking 11 people getting murdered and it's not solved.

[410] Yeah.

[411] It's a huge bummer.

[412] It's rough.

[413] And also it's, well, whatever.

[414] There's just all kinds of elements going on.

[415] This is great.

[416] So it just felt like I've started and stopped many because there's so many dark ones.

[417] but then I stumbled upon an episode of the television show Deadly Devotion which I think is on ID.

[418] I've never seen that one.

[419] I got it on Apple, like iTunes.

[420] Yeah.

[421] But so it's basically like murders that happen within certain churches or religious groups, obviously.

[422] Yeah.

[423] So this one is pretty amazing.

[424] It's the Amish serial killer.

[425] You're an Amish serial killer?

[426] Yeah.

[427] tell me about it well not in the classic sense but yes okay um so there's a i knew nothing about any of this i didn't know there were subsets of omish within the omish and there are some who are more liberal and some who are more um conservative that sounds political but more um you know classic old school and the swarton ruber um truber amish i'm sorry swartz trouber Amish are the considered old order Amish.

[428] They speak Pennsylvania Dutch, I mean, Pennsylvania Germans.

[429] I'm not even reading off the page that I'm holding in front of my face.

[430] I'm like trying to remember off the top of my head as I'm looking at it.

[431] They speak Pennsylvania German.

[432] They speak English with outsiders.

[433] They don't follow, they don't fellowship or intermarry with more liberal Amish orders.

[434] so they won't go outside of their own Amish group.

[435] They consider the Amish who put the orange reflective signs on the back of their carriages that say, like, slow thing.

[436] That's too liberal for them.

[437] These people don't have running water or indoor plumbing.

[438] They never ride in cars unless it's an absolute emergency.

[439] their belief is that they're not supposed to take interest in their appearance because it promotes vanity so they dress in dark colors the women wear longer dresses it's it's considered vain to wear a button on your dress as a woman like to have buttons so basically they're a huge fucking bummer and you know what's great about when we do omish stories is that they can't listen and tell us what we got wrong they'll never fucking know a word we're saying about the those phony bitches.

[440] Phony fucking button.

[441] They're so phony.

[442] It's calling the Amish phony.

[443] Pony.

[444] Fucking phonies.

[445] Okay.

[446] No, they're actually the realist.

[447] Okay.

[448] So they also don't allow the teenagers, you know, normal Amish teenagers go to get to do their rums bringo where they go out into the world for a year and party and go crazy and then they get to come back and then they're like yeah, this is better.

[449] And it is better.

[450] They have homemade butter and barns yeah um those those wood burning stoes right they sell on tv um so the schwartz and trouber amish teenagers do not get to leave um but they do allow them to quote court in order to find a marriage partner which includes hugging in a bed while being fully closed what and rocking in a chair together so i'm sorry yeah what the fuck yeah you see him across the room and you're like oh my god what is this electricity that I'm feeling yeah because I don't know what electricity is because I don't know what this means I'm trying to high five I just held up my hand to hide five Georgia and she fucking picked up her foot and pointed it at me like I was going to high five her foot that was genius too far away that was genius okay this is a good start It's a good start.

[451] So, that was so something my sister would do.

[452] Okay, so, yeah, so it's hardcore.

[453] And there's a young woman named Ida, who is raised, you know, she's in the community.

[454] Her family is well liked.

[455] She's, you know, a pretty young girl that everybody likes.

[456] And they show this thing in the episode of this show where the one of the ways that the boys and girls teenage boys and girls mix together is they go sing in groups in a barn so like sounds like a fucking blast right they go into the barn the guys are kind of over on one side singing and then the girls are on their side singing so ida goes to one of these mixers and so you know that's a generous way to describe it and there she meets um a fellow schwartz and truber amishman named Eli Stutzman.

[457] He's good looking.

[458] He's witty.

[459] He's sophisticated.

[460] He's charismatic.

[461] He was a rebel.

[462] The people in this episode...

[463] He wore a button.

[464] He wore a button.

[465] He had a button like as a pin.

[466] Right.

[467] Rebel.

[468] No, he didn't just use it as a button.

[469] He just had an extra fucking button.

[470] Yeah.

[471] Superfluous button.

[472] Oh my God.

[473] Are you the Fonz?

[474] So the people in this episode, there was this really awesome woman who used to be, Amish and she had the greatest accent and she was like so like you know wearing her white turtleneck yeah very but the craziest accent you couldn't figure out what that accent was and she was saying that he always stood out that he was this you know he was really good looking and he just kind of was like this thing everyone paid attention to because he was just different than the other Amish teenage boys he was the Fabio of the Amish world totally okay um uh the actor that they got to play him in the reenactments looked like the main guy from Walking Dead.

[475] Oh, so he had that, cheekbones, and kind of like rangey, you know, like something's going on with that guy.

[476] He might shoot you and eat you.

[477] So his father was a bishop.

[478] Okay.

[479] And he was like a rebel.

[480] So he was his father and he fought constantly, really viciously, because he would talk in church he was always just doing something he did whatever he wanted and the father and made the father crazy and embarrassed um and he couldn't control him um and he was always testing the limits they said so um of course ida immediately is like i'm in love with this guy he's incredible he won't stop talking during church love him he's a fucking fighter don't shut his fucking mouth at church he's whispering during during the church then the bible reading okay so she ends up some people or her parents are worried that she's mixing in with the you know a bad Amish um but other people say that she had this calming effect on him and he was much less rebellious and they were clearly really into each other and in love um and the way they describe it the Amish describe it is when you have these things they call it being worldly so like if you're really um into your appearance in the vanity thing that's a worldly issue it means like you're from from out the outside world yeah so um uh his worldly ways created problems in the community and and with his father specifically and so he gets in such a bad fight with his father he leaves the community and of course id is devastated he never says a word to her he just leaves she's brokenhearted but she knows they're and she believes they're in love and she believes he's going to come back um so he goes and stays at a different farm another Amish family he goes and stays there and like rents a room but he ends up getting kicked out because the mother in the family finds gay porn in his room wait what yes fucking 180 so she's in the reenactment she's she's making this bed with the big beautiful Amish quilt on it and then it's like what's this over here and basically this was a thing that he had been dealing with as part of his rebellion and part of his thing.

[481] What do you, how do you think, do you think the Amish woman was just like, what is this?

[482] And she's like, I'm going to take five minutes and then I'm going to tell everyone.

[483] She's like, I better look through this to make sure.

[484] Oh my God.

[485] Where do you?

[486] Okay.

[487] Yeah.

[488] So you can imagine how freaked out they were, where they were like, they just immediately kick him out of the house.

[489] Where did he even find gay porn?

[490] Well, it sounds like he was kind of, he, from the looks of it and the sound of it, he was a bit of a sociopath.

[491] So he got what he wanted all the time.

[492] So we went to a Bucky's and he was like he was he went down to the buckies he put on his good his worldly suspenders so that nobody would you know pick up on him okay so okay so he ends up moving back into the community and he tells ida that he wants to marry her and start a life and he's going to reform and he's going to be good which essentially was he had nowhere else to go and so he comes back he apologizes he repents they get married on Christmas 1975 so after a month she's pregnant and they start their family you know their son Danny is born obviously nine months later turns out the Amish carry their children for nine months just like the worldly folk wow so their son Danny's born and then they move to a farm and they start a dairy business.

[493] So they have a bunch of cows.

[494] They milk the cows.

[495] They sell the milk.

[496] And that's how they make their money.

[497] And they all work on this farm.

[498] It's really hard work, but they're actually doing okay.

[499] And Ida gets pregnant for a second time.

[500] And then one night, an electrical storm hits, and they wake up in the middle of the night and a lightning bolt has hit the barn and it caught it on fire.

[501] So they run outside.

[502] And Ida runs straight into the barn.

[503] She's like, I'm going to go save those pails of milk.

[504] What?

[505] Yes.

[506] And he runs to go to the pump to get to start filling buckets with water.

[507] And when he comes back with the buckets of water, Ida is laying in the doorway of the barn unconscious.

[508] And so they call, he, you know, gets neighbors.

[509] They end up calling 911.

[510] And he, when the police and the fire.

[511] department everybody get there he explains that ida when she was a child she had about a rheumatic fever and so she had a weak heart and she ended up being dead and so they were like she must have been so scared of this fire and having run in and everything that she just had a heart attack and died so they list her death as cardiac arrest wow so um he he of course is completely grief -stricken and the community rallies around him.

[512] They all start working at the farm to make sure the dairy farm keeps going.

[513] He's just in the house.

[514] Some people come to take care of Danny because he's just like completely beside himself.

[515] And Ida's mother actually moves in to take care of Danny.

[516] And slowly as the months go by, she notices Eli is less and less grief -stricken and more and more acting like the rebel that he was before he left the first time and um within months of her death he has the whole farm electrified what yeah so there's a really hilarious uh scene where they just walk in and he's got this big really devious smile in his place he like reaches up and pulls at the string and like the light goes on in the kitchen like yes see this is mine so he puts in lights everywhere he buys a car he cuts his hair and he starts leaving the house at night so ida's mother's like what the fuck is going on um so then it turns out he put an ad in the personal section of a gay newspaper wait what yeah so he was going to live that secret dream that he wanted to do before and here this is how the ad read oh dear amish man muscular 30s, 5 -7, 140, blue eyes, brown hair, straight appearing, I think is what that's, STR -A -P, right?

[517] Strapping appearance?

[518] What?

[519] Straping?

[520] S -T -R, what is it?

[521] I was thinking they meant like straight, like he seems straight.

[522] Okay, got to get it.

[523] But it could be strapping appearance.

[524] Probably not.

[525] The brawny man, very discreet, affectionate, health -conscious sense of humor would like to meet others into farming, ranching, or carpentry for friendship or possible relationship.

[526] So he's going for it.

[527] I mean, find love, dude.

[528] I love, farming and ranching are very similar.

[529] I'm not sure why he used it.

[530] He used up those letters to write both.

[531] But maybe there's a subtle difference, I'm not sure.

[532] Or it could be code.

[533] I don't know.

[534] So he starts having parties in the barn.

[535] And like men are coming...

[536] Or his fucking wife died?

[537] Yes.

[538] Men are coming to, you know, this is months after, but men are coming to the ranch gay men and it says he it says here he starts having parties in the barn for gay English and Amish men so I think it's just like whoever wants to come but basically the entire community starts gossiping because they're just like did you hear and he's not being discreet in the league he's got lights on like first for starters so finally he there's so much gossip and he's so you know he goes and tells the family friends like he's so hurt by all this gossip making it seem like it's all malicious and untrue that he in 1982 he sells the farm he takes Danny and he leaves and he finds he settles in Austin Texas and it was really hard for Danny to make that adjustment because he went from being you know old school Amish into just the real world of Austin Texas so um he He became really withdrawn.

[539] He had a really hard time.

[540] Meanwhile, his dad was, basically opens a construction business and just starts freely dating gay men, like dating openly.

[541] Yeah.

[542] In a very modern way.

[543] Which, you know, it's the early 80s in Texas.

[544] Like, it must have been dangerous to say the least.

[545] Totally.

[546] In the fall of 1984, Eli is driving down the road and he sees a hitchhiker.

[547] him up and his name's Glenn Pritchard and Glenn Pritchard is a divorced father of two who used to be Mormon and had a really bad drinking problem he left the Mormon church he left his family or you know maybe his wife divorced him because of his drinking problem he tried to join the Coast Guard to solve the problem he got kicked out so now he's just kind of lost so Eli offers him a job at the construction business and room and board in the house so he he actually Danny, Eli's son gets along with Glenn really well and Glenn has two kids and he really misses his kids and so he takes Danny on as like his own and looks out for him and he really doesn't like the way Eli's bringing men home constantly and is in no way tries to hide it and Glenn's really uncomfortable like that he's doing it in front of Danny and thinks you know and tries to talk to him about it but he doesn't he you know Eli has none of that and he's like well I also have another problem, which is you haven't paid me in six months because he's been working, you know, for the construction company.

[548] And Eli's not paying.

[549] And Eli's like, I have a cash flow problem.

[550] I'm going to get you the money.

[551] He's like, well, you need to get me the money.

[552] Well, it turns out they find Glenn Pritchard dead in a ditch.

[553] He's been shot.

[554] And when the police come to talk to Eli, they find his last place of residence, Eli says, I haven't seen him in two months.

[555] I don't know what happened to him.

[556] immediately police are like there's something going on with this guy um when they go back to question him a second time like a week later danny and eli have left town uh -oh so um basically eli drops danning off at a family that he met when he kind of first left um uh ohio where he where they started out um he there's like a family named the barlos in wyoming that he met they I don't think he knew them that well yeah and he brings Danny to their house and drops them off is basically can you take care of him I have to go and like makes up some reason my hand some business he has to go take care of and he's like I'll be back um and six months later he calls and says he's coming to get Danny to take him to Danny's grandparents for Christmas so he's going to take him to Ida's parents oh my God back to Amish country Danny's thrilled um And then the grandparents are also thrilled because they hear that they're coming back for the holidays.

[557] And so they haven't seen Danny in five years.

[558] Oh, my gosh.

[559] So they're thrilled that they get to see him again and reconnect.

[560] Ten days later, it's Christmas Eve.

[561] They don't show up.

[562] Oh, no. So, of course, the family's really worried.

[563] Eventually, they get a letter from, they get a letter from Eli saying he's skiing with friends in Idaho.

[564] and then he keeps sending letters just giving them updates on what they're doing out in the world and sometimes Danny sends letters too just saying you know I'm learning this in school and blah blah blah so then the grandparents in July so it's like you know six months after they didn't show up for Christmas they get a letter saying that Danny was killed in a car accident and buried in Wyoming on the family plot of the bar the family that he stayed with oh my god and the parents the grandparents are like well we we want to see yeah like we tell us more about it and he just doesn't say anything else so they end up getting on a bus these old school Amish people who are not allowed to ride in cars they break the rule they get on a bus and they go to wyoming so that they can go see their grandson's grave so when they get there um They, their name, their last name is Gingrich.

[565] Uh -huh.

[566] So they get, the Gingriches get to the Barlow's in Wyoming.

[567] And they say, will you please show us our grandson's grave?

[568] And they don't know what they're talking about.

[569] Oh, no. And they're like, the last that we heard is they left, you know, Eli came and picked them up and and they were going driving around and we haven't heard anything else.

[570] There's, he's not buried here.

[571] So then they have to ride back on the bus, like now they have no idea what's going on.

[572] On December 24th, 1985, in Chester, Nebraska, a hunter is walking through a field.

[573] Oh, no. Uh -huh.

[574] And he sees something across the field, and it's fucking cold.

[575] You know, it's Nebraska in December.

[576] He thinks it's a mannequin.

[577] He thinks it's a doll.

[578] And when he comes up on it, it's the body of a young boy in blue pajamas laying on his back with his hand over his heart.

[579] And it's so cold.

[580] outside that the skin is blue and he's dead.

[581] And authorities can't identify him.

[582] There's nothing identifying on him.

[583] So they end up calling him Little Boy Blue.

[584] And two years later, Reader's Digest does a story about Little Boy Blue and the hunter who found him and how there was no sign of trauma on the body.

[585] They don't know how he died.

[586] And they don't, the authorities hadn't figured out a cause of death.

[587] They just know he was wearing blue pajamas.

[588] So the Barlow's find this story in Reader's Digest magazine.

[589] They know that when Danny left their house, when Eli came to pick him up, he was wearing blue pajamas.

[590] Shut the fuck up.

[591] Yeah.

[592] So they have a bad feeling and they go to police or they call police and police come over.

[593] And the investigator who was on the scene when the body was found is the one that goes to the Barlow's house and they go pull out a picture of Danny and he immediately knows that's the boy and they end up taking some of the things that Danny left behind at the Barlow's house one of which was a copy of the Velatine Rabbit book which was his favorite book and they fingerprint off of the pages of that book and they identify it and it was his body it's so sad so um on December 14th it's identified as Danny Stutzman and they realize Eli has been sending letters from Danny to the grandparents seven months after Danny was actually dead in that field.

[594] So he died immediately after leaving the Barla's house probably because he was pretty much.

[595] Exactly right.

[596] Then in I think it's Hazel, Texas, but it may have been something like easel Texas, but I couldn't, I couldn't figure out what the narrator was saying.

[597] But basically in a Texas town out, I believe is outside Fort Worth, Eli, files a police report because his car gets stolen and immediately the police go and arrest him and he's extradited to Wyoming so when he gets there he tells the police that he picked Danny up from Barlow's and he was sick when he picked him up and he they were driving all night and Eli just assumed that he was sleeping and then at one point he checked on him because he wasn't responsive and he figured out that he was dead so he took Danny's body and laid it out in a field quote where god could find him yeah so in upon learning this and that bullshit story the police reopen ida's death from 1977 and they go talk to ida's doctor who is in this special and he is like this i i'm assuming he's an amish doctor because he's he looks like a character actor from Little House on the Prairie and he kind of talks like this is very quiet and basically the police went to them and they were asking him about Ida's heart problem and he's like what are you talking about she didn't have a heart problem and they're like but and he goes where did you get that and they were like the husband and he's like no no no she was in perfect health so then they know basically that he had some to do with that death but they have no evidence um to connect him to it whatsoever um when the the austin police um ask him uh about glen pritchard's death though he changes his story from what the original story was and he tells them that he was in the house with danny they heard a gunshot go off but he didn't get up and check to see what the noise was and then yeah right how you would do if you were in a house and someone else got shot and then the next morning when he got up to check Glenn was gone and so he you know he didn't know what happened and never looked into it so turns out when the police go to talk to the neighbors the neighbors are like we could hear them screaming about money at each other constantly and we heard the gunshot oh my god so they that like the neighbors tell a totally different story and so basically the theory becomes Danny was there when his father shot Glenn Pritchard and he didn't want the witness so he smothered Danny and that's why there was no signs of trauma on the body.

[598] Oh my God.

[599] Yeah.

[600] And then left his body in a fucking field which is just the weird like that alone the idea that he thought he was going to be able to tell authorities that like left him where God could find him where it's like you thought that was okay somehow or it's like no one would think that was okay.

[601] You would you would never do that to your child.

[602] It doesn't even make sense.

[603] Anyway, in August of 1989, he's sentenced to 40 years in prison.

[604] But he's paroled in March of 2002.

[605] He ended up serving like a quarter of his term.

[606] Stop it, everyone.

[607] But when he gets out, he moves to Fort Worth.

[608] He lives a super low -key life because he found out while he was in prison that he had HIV.

[609] God.

[610] So, um, he ends up on January 31st, 2007, he committed suicide.

[611] He slashed his wrist, sat down in a chair and then watched TV until he bled out and died.

[612] Holy shit.

[613] Um, and that, Eli Stutzman is the Amish serial killer.

[614] So it's not serial in the way that we would love it to be.

[615] Well, listen, we don't want, we don't love it.

[616] No, not love it.

[617] But like, I'm thinking.

[618] Buffalo Bill when I start this story, but then it is the thing of this is a sociopath slash psychopath who just would kill anybody that got in the way of what he wanted to do in his life.

[619] And the idea that that's coming out of, it's just like, it just fascinates me. It could be, it doesn't matter how you grew up.

[620] It doesn't matter where you came from.

[621] If you have that thing in your brain that makes you only want to like win and like dominate people.

[622] it doesn't matter if you're like immune to fucking empathy empathy yep you're immune to it yeah you don't give a shit that's crazy you just do what you want and then you leave so many people in your wake you know grant the grandparents of these people all of it and you just don't fucking care um and that again just over nose deadly devotion that was that basically i just told you that episode of deadly devotion which i that's crazy enjoyed i Love that.

[623] Never heard of it.

[624] Incredible.

[625] Me either.

[626] Not just the show, but like the...

[627] The concept?

[628] Yes.

[629] Okay.

[630] Beepoop.

[631] All right.

[632] Listen, like, when I said that this is a close, this is a closer, I didn't mean it was like a lighthearted story.

[633] So I'm not happy about it, but there's no, like, there's not a ton of, like, gruesome, there's no gruesome details in it.

[634] I mean, I feel like if we ever sat down and did, like, a scientific pie graph or something, it would be like the one you can't get out of is dead children right murdered children is the hardest right okay well then this is a little bit all right let me just do this okay okay in the in honor of what we talked about last weekend last week of like websites like rancor and all these of like the lists that they do this is this is three super mysterious disappearances okay all right yes Let's do it.

[635] I'm changing the rules.

[636] I love it.

[637] Now you can do whatever you want.

[638] I'm starting with the Springfield 3.

[639] You know them?

[640] Okay.

[641] This is so, this is just weird to me because there's, there's not, and let's read about it.

[642] Okay.

[643] The Springfield 3 story begins June 7th, 1992.

[644] Two friends, Susie Streeter, she's 19, and Stacey McCall, she's 18.

[645] So picture the bangs and the fucking bleach blonde hair.

[646] They, uh, the two.

[647] two girls graduated from Kickapoo High School the day before.

[648] And so they're celebrating, like, graduation of that sort of thing.

[649] So they are seen around 2 a .m. on June 7th, leaving the last of the graduation parties.

[650] They had attended that evening.

[651] They were supposed to spend the night at a friend's house.

[652] But when they got to their friend's house, it was too crowded, probably with people sleeping and not sleeping.

[653] So they were like, fuck it.

[654] We're going back to Susie's house.

[655] And at Susie's house was Susie's mom.

[656] Cheryl Levitt, she's 47, she's a cosmetologist at a local salon, she's a single mother, and she's really close with her daughter, so they go back to her house.

[657] The next morning, around 9 a .m., a friend and her boyfriend go to the house to pick up because the two girls were supposed to have picked them up to go to like a water park for the graduation activities, blah, blah, blah.

[658] When they get there, they find the front door unlocked, and they go and they go and in the house, but there's no sign of any of the three women.

[659] Each of their cars are parked outside and all their personal property is left behind, including their purses, money, keys, cigarettes, as well as the family dog who's super agitated and locked in the bathroom.

[660] So they're like, what the fuck?

[661] The only weird thing at the scene is that the glass lampshade of the porch light had been shattered, but the bulb inside had been left intact.

[662] So the boyfriend sweeps the broken glass up, to be helpful.

[663] And while they're inside, they also answer a strange and disturbing call from an unidentified male who made sexual innuendos, innuendos.

[664] Who answered the phone?

[665] The girl of the couple.

[666] Oh, oh, okay.

[667] Yeah, so they went to check on them.

[668] The girl answers the phone.

[669] So immediately a dirty phone call comes in.

[670] A dirty phone call immediately.

[671] She hangs up, and then another call immediately comes in, again, of sexual nature.

[672] and she hangs up again.

[673] Let's see.

[674] So they...

[675] Okay, blah, but, but, but, but...

[676] Okay, another...

[677] The mother of the girl, Stacy, who wasn't...

[678] who didn't live at the house.

[679] She later goes to visit the house to be like, where's the fuck's my daughter?

[680] I can't get a hold of her.

[681] And she inside notices all three of the purses are there, of course, sees her daughter's clothing neatly folded from the night before.

[682] she calls the police and after placing the call while checking the phone's answering machine she finds a strange message left but somehow it was inadvertently erased the message so we don't know what the message is and what it could have meant and did she say what she just said it was a weird message?

[683] I think it was like another sexual nature message so police were very interested in the call and believed it may have been contained a clue but it's fucking gone just gone forever gone forever because this is early 90s like was it still like a answering machine with tape in it yeah I think so right we just you rewind it yeah and record over it they still existed then yeah although there was a you know that well in our household anyway we got the like call the the the answering machine became it was just in your phone right just basically got ordered what you wanted.

[684] It would take messages, but then you could also get, that's when Stars 69 made its grand debut.

[685] I remember when we had that like silver and black fucking message machine with a tiny cassette inside and you would listen to a message and then you rewound the tape and record it over it and then you could get new messages, which you could only get as many messages as were, as could be left on that little cassette.

[686] I fucking loved that machine.

[687] I thought it was fascinating.

[688] It was amazing.

[689] Yeah.

[690] Jesus Christ.

[691] Okay.

[692] So the police aren't called for 16 hours after the women were last seen at 2 a .m. The night before.

[693] Okay.

[694] And other worried friends and family called and visited a home that day, which means a fucking shit ton of people walk through the house during the day.

[695] 10 to 20 people walked through the house.

[696] Upon arrival, the officers noticed no signs of a struggle except for the shattered porch light and they also noted that the beds had been slept in so so had been had been so in 1997 uh levin streeter or declared legally dead but their case files are still officially listed under missing investigators received a tip that the women's bodies were buried in the foundations of the south parking garage at cox hospital so in 2007 crime reporter kaffee baird brought a man named Rick Norland, a mechanical engineer to Springfield to scan the corner of the parking lot with ground penetrating radar.

[697] He found three anomalies roughly the same size quote that he said were consistent with a grave site location in the foundation.

[698] Oh, fuck.

[699] Two of the anomalies were parallel and the other was perpendicular.

[700] So kind of like crosshatched.

[701] And the Springfield Police Department didn't believe the scan was conclusive enough to justify tearing up the concrete and also said at the parking garage was completed a year after the women's disappearance.

[702] But they could have been left somewhere.

[703] Right.

[704] So it was never tore up.

[705] But people think it's there.

[706] Then Reddit's also like, here's how you're fucking wrong.

[707] It's not.

[708] Oh, you know.

[709] Okay.

[710] So then in 1997, Robert Craig Cox.

[711] He's in prison in Texas as a convicted kidnapper and robber.

[712] and the suspect in a Florida murder he told journalists that he knew where the three women had been murdered and buried and claimed their bodies would never be found he in 1992 at the time he had been living in Springfield but had alibis for the night but it was like his girlfriend at the time who has since been like nobody was fucking lying about it he said that he would disclose what he would disclose what happened to the three women after his mother had died but he knew what happened and as of today a couple tips a month still come in but no one knows what happened to the spring this being this springfield three oh my god yeah these three fucking women and that guy's mother hasn't died i guess not but he's but everyone thinks he but everyone also thinks he's lying oh he's just trying to get some kind of but a kidnapper from that neighborhood you know yeah it's just crazy that's super crazy yeah okay so the next one is um okay so a girl name asia decree i'm sorry asia degree she's born asia is born august 5th 1990 she's a fucking normal nine -year -old fourth grader from shelby north carolina normal girl happy family etc the night of february 14th 2000 asia and her brother went to sleep as usual in the room they shared her older brother almost an hour later the power went out in the neighborhood after a nearby car accident, which is fucking creepy and weird, but isn't connected to this.

[713] But I think it's just creepy.

[714] Yeah.

[715] It's restored.

[716] And then after that, her dad, Harold returns home from work around 12 .30 in the morning.

[717] He checks on his daughter and son, just saw them both sleeping, normal.

[718] But shortly after he went to bed around 2 .30 a .m., he recalls hearing Aisha's bed squeak.

[719] At that point, allegedly, Aisha got out of bed.

[720] took a book bag she had previously packed with several sets of clothes and personal items and left the house.

[721] I've heard of this.

[722] Yeah, it's crazy.

[723] It's crazy.

[724] She's nine years old.

[725] Yes.

[726] Leaves.

[727] Between 3 .45 a .m. and 4 .15 a .m., two drivers saw her walking south along Highway 18 wearing a long sleeve white t -shirt and white pants.

[728] And one witness reported seeing her at about 4 a .m. and said that he turned his car around because because he thought it was strange that such a small child would be out by herself at that hour.

[729] But when he circled three times, he saw her run into the woods by the roadside and disappear.

[730] Oh, it's just bone chilling to think, say you're driving home, you went to a party.

[731] You're like, I want to leave.

[732] I don't want to be at this party.

[733] People are like, please just stay two more hours, blah, blah, blah.

[734] Suddenly 4 a .m .'s around.

[735] It's 4 a. It's 4 a. I'm leaving.

[736] As you're driving home, you're like, sober, bummed, wanted to go home through hours ago.

[737] this is how I picture everything in my leg and then you're driving down a highway and see a child dressed in all white walking with a book back I would never stop screaming and then you go back you're like what the fuck this is weird you go back and you go to drive by her again and she runs into the fucking woods fucking darts away what do you do call the police you call the police right you pull your car over you leave it there yeah call the police but you don't have cell phones girl oh right shit yeah no cell phones yet maybe he went home and and called maybe what why wasn't he a rich guy with one of those crazy huge cell phones in his car rich guys because this isn't fucking dallas or whatever tv show they had those in um okay blah blah blah blah okay and said there was okay it was a rainy night too add that to this motherfucker fucking thing a rainy night and the witness said there was a storm raging when he saw her No. There's no way I wouldn't think that was a ghost if I saw it.

[738] Oh, yeah.

[739] Like, because it's so insane.

[740] Yeah.

[741] At 6 .30 a .m. that morning, A .S. M .A .'s mother went into the kids room to wake them up.

[742] She found Asia gone.

[743] And she called the police who arrived by 6 .45.

[744] 6 .40 a .m. Police dogs are called to the scene.

[745] They could not pick up Asia's scent.

[746] So February 17th, two days after the search began, And candy wrappers are found in a shed in a nearby business along the highway near where Asia had been seen running into the woods.

[747] So candy wrappers.

[748] Okay.

[749] Along with them were a pencil, a marker, and a Mickey Mouse -shaped hairboat that were identified as belonging to her.

[750] So it's almost like she ran away at this point, it seems.

[751] Yes.

[752] Right?

[753] Yes.

[754] But why would a kid run away in a raging storm that doesn't seem normal?

[755] Well, yeah.

[756] I bet it started raining when she got outside.

[757] I would think.

[758] Because any plan you would have if it was rainy, you'd be like, I'll do this to begin.

[759] For sure.

[760] Okay.

[761] A week later, after no other traces or witnesses were found, the search was called off.

[762] FBI got involved and noted she was not a typical runaway, obviously.

[763] She was under 12, didn't have normal stuff, such as a dysfunctional family.

[764] She didn't have bad grades.

[765] And by all accounts, she was a shy, sweet girl with close family, church community, all this shit.

[766] um she didn't even have a computer in the house so the thing of like her running away to meet someone she met online oh that's not that doesn't make any sense i mean doesn't make sense right right um there was no blood no signs of a struggle or car accident and for 18 months everything stalled until asia's book bound was book bag was found during a construction project so the backpack with her name and telephone number written inside was found wrapped in a plastic trash bag about 26 miles from her home it was said that the bag looks carefully prepared as if she were instructed by an adult what to pack no in may 2016 the FBI announced that their they their reinvestigation of the case had turned up a new witness that had come forward and reported seeing a girl who resembled Asia getting into a dark green 1970s Lincoln Mark 4 or Ford Thunderbird with rust around the wheel and near where she was last seen.

[767] So a scholarship in her name is created for deserving local students and family members hold an annual March each February retracing what they believe is the path that she took the night she vanished.

[768] But they don't know why.

[769] And the thing about the path she took too is that it's it's the path that her school bus took in the morning it's not or like when she went to school it's not an easily walkable path it's almost like it was the only way she knew how to get from certain points in town because she took it every day yeah rather than that was her purposeful planned like she knows if she's going to go to say the town library right this is the way she's going to get to library the way you go yeah oh it's just this weird story that is maddening because it's like who got into her ear and it's like do you want to audition for TV right and how come she didn't tell any of her friends like oh I met this person or her parents like oh my God that's maddening and how long ago did it happen this happened in it happened in 2000 man yeah and she's nine it's so much younger than yeah yeah that That's like, that makes me think it's like someone who's like made her, made her believe something, that she could have something that she normally couldn't have.

[770] Yeah.

[771] Yeah.

[772] Like if you meet me here, I'm giving away this pony type of shit.

[773] Fuck.

[774] And then, like, all of that up until that point is like, okay, she ran away from home for a certain reason.

[775] Everything would have been normal.

[776] but then when they find her backpack buried wrapped in plastic something she ran into someone or something and the things in the backpack yeah if somebody like that idea that she packed it specifically for a reason yeah it was a plan yeah god damn fucked up horrifying all right the last one has a resolution okay um okay bobby dunbar you ready for this yes okay bobby dunbar was the first born son to lessee and percy dunbar of opi liaui oh um hawaii no to a town in louisiana okay opalousis nope louisiana in august 1912 i think lucinda i could be wrong but lucinda williams has a song it's say it i think it's opola opalossus opalosos opalosos opalos That must be it.

[777] Or, I mean, I'm thinking of Nagodotius.

[778] Yeah, forget it.

[779] This song might be about Bobby Dunbar.

[780] Okay.

[781] In August of 1912, Oh.

[782] Yeah.

[783] The Dunbar's took a fishing trip to nearby Swayze Lake in St. Landry Parish, Louisiana.

[784] While on that trip, little Bobby Dunbar disappears.

[785] After an eight -month search, authorities found a handyman traveling through Mississippi with a boy, and it's like this crazy search with his photo everywhere.

[786] It's this missing child, blah, blah, blah, who appeared to match the description of Bobby Dunbar.

[787] The man with him, William Cantwell Walters, he claims that the boy was actually named Charles Bruce Anderson and he was the son of a woman who he, who worked for his family.

[788] And that, um, the boy's mother named Julia Andrew, Anderson, she had willingly granted him in custody of this boy.

[789] And, uh, doesn't matter fucking Walters is arrested and authorities sent for the Dunbar's to come to Mississippi and identify this boy that they think is their son.

[790] Oh, okay.

[791] They think is his son.

[792] They think it's Bobby Dunbar.

[793] Do you know how much longer it was after he disappeared?

[794] It was, um, eight months.

[795] Oh, okay.

[796] Yeah.

[797] So pretty quickly.

[798] Um, upon seeing the missing son, her missing son, there's like there's different reports some say that the mother lesi like freaked out and was like my son and bobby dunbar was like mom you know and they embraced and other people said that um that the boy cried and said that and agreed that this wasn't that his mother you know with someone else yeah um how could those how could that be two different exact opposite stories like didn't it happen in a in a police station yeah but there'd be an official yeah but me man they like to true not that they're not talking shit on media everyone's great vital etc now more than ever so uh yeah so they're like all right maybe this is our kid uh let's bring him home tonight and see how it goes there's just like the changeling it's just like the changeling in a real fucking line it happened like 30 years before yeah fuck okay can you imagine i mean i guess at the time you don't have photos or something but not knowing if this person is your kid or not what how does that happen i don't know well but in the changeling she knew it wasn't her kid and it was the cops going no crazy bitch this is your kid right and it's also like a grease stricken mother who's like this resembles my kid i really wanted to be my kid they're telling me it's my kid maybe they're right exactly yeah like the your worst fear is that your child is gone forever so anybody's showing up and being like it's me you know yeah but he was the kid wasn't even like according to certain stories the kid was like no this isn't my this isn't who I am this is not my parent also you have to think of this kid that was just being driven around randomly by some dude yeah what was he what was happening to him yeah and what kind of state of shock and freak out was he in it's almost like you combine two people who are in shock and trauma together totally and it's like uh yeah okay so yeah you're not going to say to okay the police officers the mother's not going to be like no you guys are wrong this isn't You know, you're not going to do that.

[799] No, I think, how many bad haircuts have I gotten?

[800] Whereas it's happening, I'm like, well, you're the boss.

[801] Yeah, looks great.

[802] I guess I don't know what I like anymore.

[803] Yeah, that's true.

[804] So they're like, we don't know if it's him.

[805] We bring him home tonight.

[806] We give him a bath.

[807] And then the next day they're like, yep, that's our kid based on moles and scars.

[808] They're like, it's totally our son.

[809] Okay.

[810] All as well.

[811] So the boy goes home with the Dunbar's.

[812] There's a fucking parade and fanfare celebrating the homecoming.

[813] Everyone's like, we found, you know, we found the missing Dunbar boy.

[814] And then shortly after Julia Anderson, the mother of the boy who originally was supposed to be, that wasn't Bobby Donbar, she's in North Carolina.

[815] She arrives and, you know, is like, that's actually my kid.

[816] And I didn't tell him he could take him for that long.

[817] But she goes to his, she goes to his, she goes to his, Hold on.

[818] Da -da -da -da.

[819] Okay.

[820] She's unmarried and worked as a field hand for the family of the man who had him.

[821] She said that she allowed him to take her son for what said, was supposed to be a two -day trip to visit one of Walter's relatives and that she had not consented for him to take him for more than a few days.

[822] Okay.

[823] Yeah.

[824] So, so this woman, Julia, is presented with five different boys, basically a fucking boy photo lineup.

[825] Yeah.

[826] And the same age as her son, including the boy who had claimed, who had been claimed by the Dunbar's.

[827] And the boy is presented.

[828] He gave no indication that he recognized this woman as his mother.

[829] Oh.

[830] Yeah.

[831] And she asked whether that he was the boy recovered.

[832] She was like, except the boy you found, like didn't totally recognize him at first either.

[833] Also, what do you give a shit?

[834] Aren't you looking for your son?

[835] Why are you asking other questions?

[836] Yeah.

[837] Just, she didn't know.

[838] your son she didn't know for sure she was like is that how do you okay yes right um she said she was unsure at the end of it and I'm wondering so this kid who's supposed who's now is or isn't the Bobby Dunbar boy like goes home with this family they have a fucking maybe a nice house and all this nice shit and he sees his mother trying to get him back who's a fucking field hand yeah and he doesn't say anything maybe yeah you know he's like sad as that is well and also he's she's the one that put him in that car with that man yeah and to to whatever end that was she thought he thought she didn't want her anymore maybe and was just like huh yeah not going back to this shit yeah okay um but she takes she takes the boy back with her and sees him the next day or i guess in the station she undresses him so this fucking kid is getting undressed the left and fucking right by people.

[839] She then indicated a strong certainty that the boy was her son, Bruce, and not Bobby Dunbar.

[840] But of course, everyone was already like, fuck you, poor lady, that's not true.

[841] You're lying.

[842] So, of course, then the newspapers questioned her moral character because she had had three children, the other two which were deceased by that point, out of wedlock, and so her claims were dismissed.

[843] Oh, yeah.

[844] But But she does go to the kidnapping trial of this guy Walters and says, it repeats that, you know, he didn't, she didn't kid.

[845] He didn't kidnap my son.

[846] And the court reaches the determination that the boy was Bobby Dunbar conclusively.

[847] They were like, period.

[848] It's not this other kid, Bruce.

[849] It's Bobby Dunbar.

[850] This guy Walters is convicted of kidnapping and the boy remains in the custody and grows up with the Dunbar family as Bobby Dunbar.

[851] The kid had gone missing when they went camping.

[852] okay so think wait this does have a resolution yeah we're gonna know what happens yeah pretty much please god okay because this is nuts this is like four movies combined yeah because it also reminded me of the the wineville chicken coop murder yes there's some people of that to it too that's what oh it's the same thing as a changeling that changeling but the that chicken coop murder story is insane it's so fucked up but there were kids who at the end of that were afraid they were get in trouble so they deny that they belong to the parents that were there to claim them i'm thinking of those two things as two separate things but it was basically just the end of the story where they were like nope that's not me because they thought they were going to get like spanked yeah like it's that crazy little kid mentality yeah okay it's so sad okay so but this this boy is raised as bobby dunbar whether or not it's him for sure um he marries has four children of his own and dies in 1966 having lived out the remainder of his life as Bobby Dunbar.

[853] Wow.

[854] This guy.

[855] Okay, years after his death, one of his granddaughters, Margaret Dunbar Cutright, begins her own investigation of the events because I think it was like a family fucking story that nobody wanted to talk about.

[856] So she porous through newspaper accounts, interviews the children of Julia Anderson, the woman who claimed that that kid was hers.

[857] And they actually said to her, you know, this man came and visited, uh, visited and I think it was him trying to see, like, the kid who was raised as Bobby Dunbar as an adult came back to the town where they lived to meet his maybe siblings.

[858] Oh.

[859] And examine the notes and evidence presented at Walter's defense, presented by Walter's defense attorney for his kidnapping trial and appeal.

[860] In 2004, after an associated press reporter approached the family about the story, Bobby Dunbar Jr. consented to undergo a DNA test.

[861] to resolve the issue.

[862] The test showed that the kid raised as Bobby Dunbar was 100 % not related to the Dunbar's.

[863] Holy shit.

[864] So that poor fucking woman that came down was like, this is my son.

[865] He got taken away from me. They were like, too late, we already did the parade.

[866] It's a permanent.

[867] The ticker tape has been tickered.

[868] Once we ticker that tape, it's over, lady.

[869] You can't go back.

[870] Uh -uh.

[871] It's just this whole thing.

[872] too you've got to wonder like did the parents of bobby dunbar know in their heart and were okay because they just couldn't come to terms of the fact that maybe their son was dead did julia anderson was she like my this kid has a better life now it's i'm fucking pissed but but i'm not going to fight that hard because he's not these are good people he's being raised yeah i know well okay so apparently julia would speak of her lost son bruce a lot and that the family always regarded him as having being kidnapped by the Dunbar's.

[873] So they never got over it.

[874] Okay, but there is an incredible this American life about this case called The Ghost of Bobby Dunbar that it's, I think it's from like 2004, and I remember listening to it and just, I was like painting my bedroom one weekend and then had to sit down in the middle of the room just to fucking listen to it because it was so powerful.

[875] Shit.

[876] So it's an incredible episode.

[877] She'd definitely listen to it.

[878] And in it, Margaret, at Dunbar cut right they interview her through it she expresses the opinion at the real Bobby Dunbar the kid who went fucking camping and Swayzee Lake that he was probably eaten by an alligator back in 1912 that's what she thinks happened it kind of also reminds me of someone knows something season one where it's like did this kid drown or did something happen to him yes it's that sort of thing too where it's like he disappeared didn't get kidnapped did he die but she thinks that he probably probably drown or because it's that thing of like out in nature it could be anything you can't even you can't even figure out like anything could happen and like that idea of just an alligator going boom and that it that being it like that happens often fucking Louisiana like yeah those alligators are up in there I can't believe see this makes I'm upset because when you look up the wineville chicken coop murders yeah or watch the movie the changeling you should then there should be some if you like this read about this because that's like so fascinating yeah old tiny kidnappings and missing people fucking fascinate me because there was like no dna no phones barely any photographs yeah barely forensics yeah yeah fuck bobby dump the ghost of bobby dunbar this american amazing that was great so that was three creepy fucking missing people insane stories oh my god Yeah.

[879] Should we do our favorite thing as what happened at our first show in Dallas?

[880] Yes.

[881] Okay.

[882] So we want to you fucking tell everyone.

[883] Okay.

[884] Fucking.

[885] Shut up.

[886] Is that what I sound like?

[887] No, no. Please, I do it all the time.

[888] No. Okay.

[889] So we had a special guest at our Dallas show, and it was really thrilling.

[890] Jennifer Morrie Caldwell.

[891] who we talked about in episode 53, was it?

[892] I think so, yeah, yeah.

[893] I think we said it.

[894] Somewhere in the 50s.

[895] Whatever, I just put it.

[896] There's a photo of it on Instagram.

[897] It was episode 33.

[898] Essentially, it was the I survived story that I retold of the woman who lived in the gated apartment community, specifically for the security, ends up waking up the millinite being attacked, her power is cut, the phone's cut.

[899] A guy stabs her, and then the 911 operator stays on the phone with her.

[900] And when the security guard comes to ask to be let in, he says, don't let him in.

[901] And it ends up that the security guard was the person who attacked her.

[902] Yeah.

[903] And it's the craziest story.

[904] She tells it herself.

[905] I basically just retold her version of that story as she tells it on I survived as an episode.

[906] We heard from her sometime after and just saying, hi, I heard, you know, whatever, I heard this.

[907] Which was a huge thing for us.

[908] I think, you know, we just didn't expect that.

[909] And we've always kind of wondered what impact what we did.

[910] has on people and so getting that specifically from the victim of the story was and it was a positive email was so it felt so good yes it was really nice and it was like someone going i get exactly what you're doing and i approve and it happened to me and i prove so that in itself was exciting then we she lives in dallas so she let us know that she try i think she tried to get tickets and they were sold out she was so sweet she was like hey i i tried to get tickets to Dallas but it's sold out do you think maybe and I was like yes yes so she and her lovely family came to our shows in Dallas and she at the end of the show instead of doing hometowns we asked her up on stage and the audience went fucking ballistic and I fucking I I started ugly peevy crying we all were crying and I think everyone in the audience was crying yes Um, and basically she, so she, we basically want to play this moment for you.

[911] We don't want to wait until whenever it comes up that we're going to play this live episode because it was just so cool.

[912] And so, um, I don't know.

[913] There's probably a lot of long silences because there's definitely the moments where we're hugging or just crying or whatever, but it was just really an honor and a privilege to meet her.

[914] She's the coolest woman.

[915] She is so chill.

[916] She's, she's a lawyer.

[917] She's got this beautiful family who all came with her who were also super cool and she also told us backstage the 911 operator from her story it was his first day on the job it was the second 911 call he had ever taken and he they ended up they were lifelong friends she danced with him at her wedding like the he was the third person that she danced with at her wedding um you know she it was just the coolest we we got to meet her and talk to her we were honored to be part of this so here's that moment now normally this is the part where we do a hometown but we actually tonight tonight we have a surprise guest for you that we're very very excited to bring out on stage just a special guest that we want to introduce you guys to oh there's Vince you actually you know there's Vince you might remember because we talked about her case on one of our episodes and she is here in the audience tonight with us I don't remember the number of she's walking down right now She has been in the audience with you this whole time She Her story was on an episode of I Survived That's Jennifer Mory Caldwell right there Oh my God I know You guys do this Hi It's nice to see you Yeah, you guys too So when we did this episode where I, all I did was retell Jennifer's story from her words from an episode of I Survive because I'm lazy sometimes.

[918] I just do, I like to do stuff like that, but also because the story was so incredible and the way she told it was so incredible, it's one of my favorite episodes, sorry.

[919] No. Sorry.

[920] You told my story so beautifully that the night I heard it, my husband and I drank a whole bottle of wine and I cried, and I cried, and I cried.

[921] Oh, God.

[922] You honored me what you told my story.

[923] Oh, thank you.

[924] That's so nice.

[925] Where are those damn tissues?

[926] Tammy, Doug.

[927] I mean, we're just...

[928] Like it's Stevens.

[929] After that episode, you sent us an email, and then we freaked out, and we couldn't believe it, because a lot of times when we do these stories and we do this stuff, we never knew any of this part was going to happen.

[930] Like, for a long time, we did this podcast in Georgia's apartment talking to each other.

[931] So the idea that the person we're talking about responded and was like, yay, it was the most, it was just so exciting and so cool.

[932] And so then you emailed us and were like, can I come to a show when you come to Dallas?

[933] And we're like, yeah, we can get you in.

[934] I'm a lawyer.

[935] And if you guys know my attack story, my attack's not part of my daily life I can't let it be and so I'm sitting in my office one day last September or October and I had a lawyer say to me your maiden name's Moray right and I'm like yeah she goes you were attacked right yeah and she was oh my God there was this podcast on you last night and it floored me and so I went home that night and I told my husband, I think there's this thing.

[936] And so we like, Googled and found this thing.

[937] And we sat there and listened to it.

[938] And it wasn't something I was really prepared to listen to, but I have to say again.

[939] And I listened to it again yesterday to get ready.

[940] You talked about me like you were my friend.

[941] It was a horrible experience.

[942] Don't get me wrong.

[943] But God is, I mean, God or whatever has blessed me so much.

[944] I mean, I've got my husband, Gary and my two kids.

[945] So, everybody here, if you ever have anything terrible happen to you, and unfortunately, too many of us will have something terrible happen to us.

[946] I hope it doesn't happen to you.

[947] Which the show talks a lot about anxiety.

[948] I've become a murdererino.

[949] My daughter is 15, and she probably shouldn't listen to the show, but she does.

[950] On road trips, we listen to this.

[951] Anyway, if something bad ever happens to anybody out there.

[952] I hope you guys have something as, I mean, God, this has just been such a gift to have you honor me and to have people all over the world reach out to me and honor me, so thank you.

[953] And what you do, we're all fascinated and horrified by these crimes.

[954] But the way you bring laughter to what, you could cry or laugh, pick one.

[955] Let's laugh.

[956] So thank you guys.

[957] Yay.

[958] Thank you, Steve.

[959] So much to us.

[960] Thank you.

[961] and thank you guys for being here.

[962] And...