#412 - Maynard James Keenan

[0] Good googly -moogly, ladies and gentlemen.

[1] Actually live?

[2] That's it.

[3] Actually live.

[4] It's that easy.

[5] We don't fuck around anymore, man. That's pretty cool.

[6] It's beyond cool.

[7] This video that you gave me. Let's get right to it, Joe.

[8] First of all, I love the characters, and I see a reality show in your future.

[9] I see a parody of like a Duck Dynasty type, moon -shiners -type situation.

[10] It's a real life?

[11] But far better.

[12] With music.

[13] Okay Fuck it.

[14] Just genius guys who live out in the desert Who just happen to make amazing music And be completely retarded And think they're a parker -up band No, that's fucking great It's really interesting what you're doing I love how you're, you know You don't have any rules You just do whatever the fuck you think is interesting, creative and mix the two of them together I mean credit You know credit where credit is due When it comes to working with Lauren Milligan And Mike King, her husband and Lord's just like, she'll just go off on a tangent and I'll just film it, you know?

[15] And we just kind of go with it.

[16] So you pick the right wig for the right tangent and then you just go.

[17] I like what you did too or you're mixing different styles of music.

[18] You're mixing like legit country music.

[19] And then some of the songs sound almost like tool.

[20] You know, some of the sounds have like, you know, your same type of vocals that you would in one of your tool songs.

[21] But it's just got this completely, different extra vibe to it.

[22] Yeah, I think there's a lot of flexibility just because we are kind of a moving target, so when we start to kind of get inspired in some direction, we're not really confined to, you know, I love Slayer, but Slayer's Slayer.

[23] Right, yeah.

[24] They're not going to always put out a country record.

[25] Yeah, no, that's kind of one of the cool things about, I really enjoy what you're doing that.

[26] You just do whatever the fuck you want to do.

[27] You don't have a box that you have to fit in.

[28] You're just doing what you feel like doing.

[29] Like, I know what I never expect you're wearing a wig and playing his character and all i mean it goes you fucking you ride it too man it's not like you just like play it at the beginning no it fucking keeps coming back and it's really funny shit man it's really funny shit thank you what just what inspired you to make like a half country half comedy half you know i mean it's like it's so just this i think just watching you know we think we talked about this last time like uh money python movies right they're just there's no you can't really pin them down and like the meaning of life just you know it's that's kind of how we did this new DVD is there's a whole the whole documentaries at the beginning you know when you go out watch the DVD again you can actually skip the documentary if you want to but it was important to see the documentary and see you know Billy D. and Hildieberger so that you understood when they came back up later in the actual show who the hell who the fuck is that like okay if you didn't if you didn't see the documentary you don't understand who those people are when you do the lock Live shows, do you play the documentary first?

[30] Do you play...

[31] Yeah, that's our opening band.

[32] That's a great idea, man. And the live DVD that you filmed, was that in Phoenix?

[33] Did you film it in Phoenix?

[34] Yeah, Phoenix.

[35] Still rep in Arizona, baby.

[36] That's where we are.

[37] Have you seen the...

[38] There's been a lot of camera trap photos of Jaguars.

[39] They're starting to cross the same paths from Mexico into the United States that the drug guys do?

[40] Jaguar is the cars?

[41] No, no, no. Jaguar is in the native North American giant cat.

[42] Yeah, yeah, there's a, there's, well, we have like, I guess, what are they called Pumas?

[43] Mountain lions, yeah.

[44] Yeah, the mountain lines up around us, but we haven't actually, I haven't actually seen the Jaguars coming out.

[45] Yeah, there's not that many of them, but they're starting to take photos of them on camera traps.

[46] Apparently a long time ago they were native species in North America, and now they're starting to make its way through your town.

[47] Excellent.

[48] Hmm.

[49] Indeed.

[50] So is wine making season over for you now?

[51] Yeah, I just wrapped up.

[52] I had a good year.

[53] A lot of interesting challenges, a lot of stuff that came up that I wanted to try, stuff that was going to give me a hard time, kind of give me trouble.

[54] Well, that's another perfect example of you just not fitting in a box.

[55] Oh, he makes wine.

[56] Like, you don't just dabble in it.

[57] You have a fucking vineyard, like a full -time, set of employees, a vineyard, you produce an excellent wine, a bunch of different ones.

[58] It's really good stuff.

[59] You know what you're doing.

[60] I mean, you just threw yourself into winemaking.

[61] Yeah, I mean, that's one of those, you know, you could pretty much read the back of a yeast packet to figure out, like, what to do to inoculate fruit.

[62] But, you know, to really actually learn how to make wine, you just got to dive in, you know, you can go to, I suppose you can go to, you know, college to get all the nuances and be taught how to make wine with fear in mind but just dive in and make it it's really it's not that difficult to get over the first basic hump of like the 101s of it it's not that hard then you know after that then it's like the nuance is the you know the upper percent of just the intuition instincts you know do you mingle it all with the people in the wine world like do you do you communicate with other people in the wine industry and go to conferences i've got guys guys on speed dial that i know that are world class winemakers from around the world and if I have a question that I think that they can that they've seen the answer to or seen that challenge or seen that hurdle I will not even hesitate to text or call or write or email or you know something just to go okay so here's the here's the challenge I'm or here's the thing I'm going to try and based on you know the kind of fruit that we get because the fruit we get is not like you would get in Napa or get in necessarily get in New Zealand.

[63] It might be more specifically like Adelaide Hills but not necessarily the barossa.

[64] You know, so there's, there's different stuff.

[65] Parts of Spain, maybe, parts of Italy, maybe.

[66] Do you do anything to your soil?

[67] Or do you just let it be what it is?

[68] Yeah, for the most part, you let you know, you have to kind of give a, you know, give it some food now and then some kind of nutrients that are not going to, they're not going to, like, cripple, you know, and you don't want to give it steroids or anything like that, but you want to give it something that it needs if it needs a little extra dose of something.

[69] So what do you do?

[70] Do you add like minerals or?

[71] Yeah, yeah.

[72] So if there's something that it's kind of short on.

[73] How would you know?

[74] You take pedials, you take the, you know, samples from the plant.

[75] You take samples from the soil.

[76] We have for moisture, we take it to have a pressure bomb that pressurizes the leaf to see if it, how much moisture it actually needs today.

[77] Wow.

[78] And you give it like, if it wants 10, you give it 9.

[79] yeah that's a thing about the grapes for wine they're supposed to suffer a little bit right why is that uh it just it just gets some stronger i mean you know you train jiu jitsu that's you know there's suffering involved you're not going to get anywhere unless you are pushed a little bit even as a grape even as a grape how many years even as a celery joe even as a celery i i see i see now it all becomes clear how many years you've been doing this now uh i broke around 2001, 2002, made my first wine in 2004.

[80] I find that absolutely fascinating.

[81] I've never once heard of a rock star who decided to not just make wine.

[82] Like, I mean, I suppose Sammy Hagar has a tequila, right?

[83] How much is he really involved in it?

[84] Is Sammy out there harvesting agave?

[85] You know, is he pressing it and?

[86] I don't know.

[87] I don't think so.

[88] I don't think so He's definitely not doing what you're doing Man No I mean because for me I have I have my staff in the tasting room So basically come to Jerome There's like you know There's a staff of people that you know Of course rotate but We have Chris Turner's like my right hand man In the vineyard I'm not a vineyard guy I'm in the cellar So Chris has his team of people In the actual vineyard making sure That they all have their finger on the pulse Of what I'm looking for in the grapes To make the wine We have of course our shipping staff and, you know, the business affairs managers and stuff.

[89] But in the cellar, it's just my wife and I. It's just us making the wine, pressing the grapes, inoculating.

[90] So there's not actually a staff of people in the actual cellar, because that's my house.

[91] Wow.

[92] So it's just us doing it.

[93] So I don't think people quite understand, like, he can't make it.

[94] It's harvest.

[95] So wanted his employees handle that.

[96] There's, I don't quite think you've been listening to me. There's nobody in the cellar but me. I mean, we have a couple guys.

[97] I have a friend down the street to come.

[98] up and cleans up after me. I have a guy that comes out at the beginning of the season because I'll buy some new equipment that I don't know how to use.

[99] I go, Greg, make that work.

[100] You'll go, okay, I'll read the directions.

[101] We hate reading directions.

[102] So I'll just have Greg figure out how to make that go.

[103] How do you piece together a team?

[104] Like when you decide that you're going to start making your own wine, you get a piece of land, you decide where you're going to grow grapes, you decide how do the fuck do you piece together a team to create wine?

[105] It's like anything else.

[106] It's hit in this.

[107] You got to just figure out who has natural, you know, natural talent toward it or really are willing to do all the work if they're not even naturally.

[108] I mean, my wife doesn't, she's not a chemist, but she works the lab.

[109] She went, I went, guess what you're doing?

[110] So she's like, I am.

[111] So you're nine years into production, essentially, but 10, 11, 12 years into this project.

[112] Is it still challenging for you?

[113] Do you still enjoy it?

[114] Yeah, because every year that I'm making wine on my own, You know, previous years, like from 2004 up to about 2009, I had other, you know, people.

[115] I was kind of like looking over their shoulder and trying to be involved in doing it.

[116] But until 2010, you know, like part of nine, but part of ten, until I was actually in, you know, doing it myself, you're only going to learn that way.

[117] And so, you know, that's, it's just, you just dive in, basically.

[118] Wow.

[119] And now how many months out of the year does it take to do that?

[120] and then the rest you devote to whatever else, like Pusufor or anything else you feel like doing?

[121] Anything else, yeah.

[122] Don't even look for me on August 1st.

[123] August 1st and November 1st, don't even look.

[124] I'm not around.

[125] I'm dug in.

[126] So for four months, you're gone?

[127] Yeah, yeah.

[128] Do you enjoy that, that you're committed to this, like, four -month project?

[129] For four months, you're accounted for, that's it.

[130] This is your life.

[131] Yeah, I mean, it's nice to know that, you know, I'm going to be sleeping in my own bed.

[132] Right.

[133] And it's, you know, it's hard work.

[134] You're up at, you know, I'm up at 6 .30, doing punchdowns and just checking things out and make sure everything's, you know, not, you know, something didn't blow up, or I forgot to seal something so it's leaking or, you know, there's just those tragic things that kind of happen in the cellar that you look over and like the spout wasn't shut and there's like, pino grief pouring onto the ground.

[135] You're like, fuck.

[136] Bonehead move, ran over and shut it.

[137] This, that, it's such an interesting idea, but I love the fact that, that you figured out a way as a musician to guarantee that you're home for four months.

[138] You know, like, if people don't know, the musicians or comics, that fucking road gets sad, man. It gets so boring, and it gets so weary.

[139] It gets grueling.

[140] Your body just like, you know, as you go forward in time, there's no going back in time.

[141] And your back doesn't get, you know, it doesn't get stronger from the journey.

[142] It gets weaker.

[143] Yeah, especially to travel.

[144] We were talking about a guy that you know that had a blood clot from an airplane ride and was feeling like shit, and I was telling you how I flew back from England and got sick.

[145] The flights, every flight is like going on a bender.

[146] It's like getting hammered.

[147] Every one of them is just like, just wrecking your body, like, oh, and skidding in the home plate.

[148] That was fun.

[149] Dumbling in the bed.

[150] Not.

[151] Yeah, it's very, very weary.

[152] It really beats you down.

[153] So then when that's over, November's done.

[154] Do you just chillax for a little bit?

[155] Last couple years, no, I would jump right into, you know, doing some stuff with Perfect Circle or Pusufur.

[156] If the guys were ready with the tool, we'd work with them, or maybe we'd go out and do some, like, a quick tour or something.

[157] And that's only just to kind of, you know, keep it alive.

[158] And because you've done some work that you need to kind of tidy up and do something with, like, we came out with conditions of my parole, and I had to, like, I had to promote that record.

[159] So I had to get on the road right away in November.

[160] that was a couple years ago and then between you add some jiu -jitsu yeah that was a fun part this year it's like watch like poor Matt Mitchell from poster he came out to like record some tracks with me and uh you know I'm up at 6 -7 out there doing my thing and then I would come in and like we try to like work on a song or work on some tracks and he was helping record some stuff and uh and then I go I gotta go I gotta do the I gotta quickly de stem these this fruit and then at 1145, I got to drive down the hill because I got to go do jujitsu from noon to one and then I'll be back up here at 1 .15 we can do a vocal but then I got to press the Chardonnay.

[161] He's like, who the fuck are you?

[162] And he's known you from long before this.

[163] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[164] I toured with him.

[165] First time I met him was on a perfect circle tour.

[166] So what do these people think that I've seen you pre -wine and post wine, are they like, did they think originally like, oh, this is just his new thing, he'll do it for a little bit, and then it's probably, you know, it'll last a year or so.

[167] Twelve years later.

[168] Twelve years later.

[169] How many bottles do you make a year now?

[170] I did about, I'm horrible math.

[171] This year I did about six and a half, seven thousand cases in my cellar.

[172] Holy shit.

[173] That's incredible.

[174] How many acres are you growing on?

[175] In northern Arizona, right now I have planted 40, just under 40 planted, and only about 10 of those are actually producing at the moment.

[176] Southern Arizona, my sister company, Arizona Stronghold, I have access to fruit from our vineyards down there.

[177] So there's a lot of growers all over the state.

[178] And there's growers just over the border into New Mexico as well, just over from those counties.

[179] So there's also kind of a mirror image terrain over in New Mexico with even more established venues than we have in Arizona.

[180] So 40 acres you're planting on, but only 10 of them are you're actually harvesting fruit from?

[181] Yeah, and probably by next year I'll see a little bit more from the other 30.

[182] And then by, you know, by 2015, I'll see full production from everything.

[183] How does that work?

[184] Do you have to do something to soil?

[185] Do you have to just get the grapes used to?

[186] Just plant it.

[187] And it takes you three to four years to see fruit off the vine once you plant it.

[188] it's a commitment in time for sure so you you plant it and is it just a matter of it growing or is it establishing you want to make sure and it all depends on what you're kind of going for you know if you want if you want to plant like tighter spacing and set through a little earlier on the plant when it's younger so it doesn't quite get big and it kind of like almost stunt its growth in a way you get some really concentrated fruit on on a smaller on a smaller vine but you've seen some that are like these huge old school vines there's different schools of thought on that you got guys that pull out everything in 20 to 30 years they'll just pull everything out and start over because the vine might produce you know an eighth of what it was producing when it was younger and if it's not great i mean if it's like producing an eighth of you know that fruit and it's fantastic just undeniable fruit well yeah hang on to it but if it's not most guys are pulling it out wow starting over do you find that this whole process you know The whole process of creating this new thing and getting involved in this completely new endeavor, does that do anything to the rest of your creativity?

[189] Do you find that it opens up new possibilities for other things that you create?

[190] I get a, I mean, it opens up other stuff because, you know, when you're, it's a whole different kind of creativity.

[191] And you're in the cellar and you're just hovering over some of these wines, you're having to be kind of, you know, you have to have the tech, you know, the technique down, you have to understand the process that you're going through.

[192] But you also have these opportunities to go, okay, I have to make a creative decision right here.

[193] There's a challenge that's come in.

[194] Something comes in extremely ripe that you didn't expect it coming in extremely ripe because they just were the numbers were just all over the map.

[195] The sugars are extremely high, and it's just probably not even enough finished fermenting.

[196] It's so ripe.

[197] And then you have something come in, it's a completely underripe.

[198] And you go, hmm, if I put these together, they're right at the right number that I want, rather than trying to finish something that's not high enough sugar and something that's way too high sugar.

[199] You know, there's little moments like that that happen that you just didn't expect and you can't plan.

[200] It's just chaos, and you just have to just navigate the chaos.

[201] Were you like a big fan of wine before you did this, or is this just something that you just decided to slowly but surely step into?

[202] I guess I had a great grandfather who made wine in northern Italy, but I didn't know that until I was actually planting grapes.

[203] Wow.

[204] So you just dove in?

[205] Dove in, yeah.

[206] But I was into wine a little bit, back and I lived in Boston for a while, so I enjoyed wine with my friend Kurt.

[207] He worked at a nice Italian wine shop, so he'd always bring stuff home on the weekends.

[208] And he would grill, and I would drink this wine.

[209] And, you know, years later ago, oh, wow, that was pretty, I think we're drinking some pretty awesome wine.

[210] Yeah, I don't know shit about wine.

[211] I have a really good friend who's a real connoisseur.

[212] He has this gigantic room in his house that he constructed.

[213] that it's digitally set to a certain temperature.

[214] And, I mean, he has this ridiculous collection.

[215] He's in the LA area?

[216] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[217] He lives in the Palisades.

[218] And he's got, I mean, he built this room onto his house before he moved into this house.

[219] I mean, he's a nut.

[220] And, you know, he can look at wine lists and tell you what's good this year, what's not.

[221] I mean, he's constantly on top of it.

[222] And he took me to a wine testing for his birthday.

[223] Wine tasting, you know, they brought off different flights of wine.

[224] it was all good to me but hearing people describe it it's so it's baffling the the fruity taste the tannin the smoky mix yeah but like people don't really get those you don't have to know any of that stuff if you have it like a good if you know somebody you know that's a oh it's a cool shop or has a nice tasting room like you know matthew over at coval if you just go talk to matthew about what they have on their list or go to silver lake wine or talk to randy or april or george to go okay what's open you know when you have their tasting and they just take notes on you have stuff in front of you, okay, write down, did I like it, did I not like it, did I like it, did I not like it?

[225] Just write down what you liked and what you didn't like and why, if there's just a couple words like, I didn't like that because of this or I like that because of this, write it down.

[226] And then you just show them, like, write down, have them write down what the wines were that you had.

[227] And not so much for you, but for them.

[228] And come back again and do it again for some other, flight or whatever and once you have some notes down they're going to start to get figure out what you might like and then they're going to go okay try this or try this and then come back and tell me if you liked it or not i like i tend like like the fruity or like a pinot noir like that kind of wine and just and again you know don't even gravitate toward the pinot just like just taste stuff and then write down what it was and start kind of keeping a log or something of what that was because if you have a pretty good intuitive person working at one of those wine shops, they can kind of go, okay, having poured you, you know, a hundred little tastes over the last couple months, we've narrowed down what you like.

[229] Do you see yourself going into whiskey next?

[230] Dude, I love Angels Envy.

[231] What is that?

[232] I can't, can I plug?

[233] Sure.

[234] Why not?

[235] Yeah.

[236] What is it?

[237] It's a, it's a mellow bourbon aged in port barrels.

[238] It's super mellow.

[239] In port barrel, so they take the...

[240] Older port, yeah.

[241] They take the port, it pours out, and then they make the biscuit.

[242] Wow.

[243] They buy the barrels from somebody.

[244] How does that affect the taste?

[245] Like, what is it supposed to do to the taste?

[246] I couldn't tell you, I'm not a whiskey guy, but I like that one.

[247] That's it right there, Angels Envy?

[248] There you are.

[249] Hello.

[250] Do you see yourself doing anything else?

[251] I mean, any other crazy ideas you have cooking in the back burner that you might get into?

[252] I cook a little bit, but I don't think I would actually...

[253] I wouldn't go.

[254] be a chef.

[255] I would probably open up like a I could see you doing that though I could totally see you becoming a chef so where just well it started out I just wanted to open up a restaurant and then here I am who wants pizza and always in Arizona yeah I got a couple things up my sleeve in Arizona break up a pizza place Northern Arizona is pretty fucking badass do you live near the mountains I'm near Sedona oh okay yeah yeah that's an interesting spot Yep.

[256] A lot of weirdos in Sedona.

[257] You think?

[258] Mm. A lot of people believe in crystal power.

[259] Yeah.

[260] Those are the people you just reach up and grab their leg and pull them down to the ground and stay here.

[261] What happens to people?

[262] How does that happen where you get a spot like Sedona, for say, where it just people gravitate towards their healers, in quotes?

[263] I don't know.

[264] I can't.

[265] I have no answer for that.

[266] I have no answer for it either.

[267] I've always been fascinating.

[268] How does a spot like that come to be?

[269] Well, I mean, you can, if you've been in a, you know, a decent -sized city, there's always going to be a spot, like, for example, in L .A., okay?

[270] You got Millie's over on sunset.

[271] What's that?

[272] In Silver Lake, Millie's, Millie's Cafe, Millie's restaurant.

[273] It's a little breakfast place over on sunset.

[274] That's always going to have a gathering of people on that spot.

[275] Yeah?

[276] It's like that morning spot.

[277] I'm going to write that down.

[278] I've never heard of it.

[279] Millies.

[280] Millies on Sunset.

[281] yeah you know where um sunset in what you know uh just say silver lake just yeah it's in silver lake just the side of uh silver lake boulevard there's a lot of fucking cool spots down there yeah a lot but that's that one that just like no matter what no matter who owns that spot there's always going to be people gathering in that spot for a cup of coffee or like some kind of oh you know sunrise kind of event a brunch you know if it's not called brunch someday just like something if it ends up being a donut shop, there's always going to be something there where people gather in that spot.

[282] And you kind of have to assign some kind of value to that energy you're talking about in Sedona to like those little, we'll call them vortexes.

[283] Right.

[284] There's like, there's some kind of gathering vortex at that spot.

[285] Well, I think a lot of those places, especially in L .A., they have this deep history of people returning to these spots.

[286] And then it almost gets like seeped into the wood.

[287] Places like the comedy store or you ever eat at Dantanas?

[288] No. Fantastic place.

[289] It's one of the oldest school, old school restaurants in Hollywood.

[290] It's on Santa Monica right near Boys Town.

[291] And it's this like super old school bar slash restaurant that hasn't changed the menu since 1966 or something like that.

[292] Cooks a fucking tremendous steak has amazing pasta.

[293] The waiters all wear tux.

[294] Cedos, it's just one of those, like, super duper old school spots.

[295] That's cool.

[296] Yeah, and when you go in there, it's like a Cantor's Deli.

[297] You've been a Cantor's Deli?

[298] Oh, yeah.

[299] Yeah, that feel, like, that place has been used, man. It's just a, it's in the, you feel it.

[300] Yeah.

[301] You know, you can't get that on a new place.

[302] I've been at Cantras in years.

[303] Oh, it's a classic.

[304] That's a classic comic spot, because it's open 24 hours a day.

[305] Yeah.

[306] Go there all the time after food or after, after shows.

[307] Yeah, because the Largo's right across the street.

[308] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[309] L .A. has so many of those really cool old school spots that have just been around for so long.

[310] So I think that's, and I think, you know, back to our Sedona conversation, it's probably some version of that, where those spots just kind of have that energy.

[311] And, you know, just in general, I was driving to L .A. from kind of the Sedona Prescott area, and I forgot.

[312] that the Yarnel fires they were they kind of had the road closed off so I couldn't go that way but I thought you know a month had passed and I figured everything was fine wasn't fine yet so I get to a certain spot and there's of course a guy standing there going psych you can't go this way so I had the backtrack and then I kind of took another route that took me farther kind of back tracked westish and kind of came back in and there's an area out in that way where it's basically it's that kind of Sedona place where you go there but there's no people there's no cell signal there's nothing it's just these crazy moon rock you know setting with these Joshua trees and cacti just as far as the eye can see and it's like these crazy rolling hills it was like the coolest hour and a half you know added hour and a half to my trip it was completely worth it just because you just and that when you you see that kind of place you can go you can see how somebody who you know when sidona isn't there yet you can see how somebody would go i want to start something here there's an energy here that i want to like you know did you see that video those dopey boy scout guys who tipped over those 100 million year old rocks did you see this you know that i think it's called goblin canyon there's an area of utah that has these incredible did they find the bodies They made a video, these dumb fucks.

[313] They made a video of pushing over this hundred.

[314] Did the rocks fall on them?

[315] Unfortunately, no. Is it too late?

[316] Yeah, it's too late.

[317] I don't think you can glue it back.

[318] What I mean, is it too late to...

[319] To kill them?

[320] I didn't say that all loud.

[321] I did.

[322] Yeah, they're too stupid to be held responsible, unfortunately.

[323] But they did get fired from the Boy Scouts.

[324] which yeah that sucks but the point is it was one of these really cool ancient structures where it's this this this giant like top like a mushroom cap almost and it's just all this wind and sand has eroded it to the point where this is like this little peak that's holding this thing in place and it was so fucking cool looking and these tools just decided to tip it over did you find it?

[325] What's that there's ads on them of course there are because it's what happens when a video gets 10 million hits in a week whoops yeah no worries no worries there for me those structures are so cool though it's so interesting when you see like something that's been created by hundreds of millions of years of erosion I was in a cave in Colorado there's the thing these things so that's like that's a hundred and seventy 70 million years old or something like that, this structure.

[326] And these fucking idiots push this thing over.

[327] I mean, it's like a Cullen Brothers movie.

[328] Duh.

[329] You're hired.

[330] Yeah.

[331] So sad.

[332] So sad.

[333] But those things, that area, Goblin Valley, is another one of those spots where you drive through it.

[334] It's just, it has such an impact.

[335] Where it draws idiots.

[336] Hopefully, you know, people will learn from the reaction to this, and it'll never happen again.

[337] There's still a lot of really cool shit there.

[338] Right.

[339] I went on one of those publicity flights for the Blue Angels.

[340] They took us, you go down to San Diego, and then from San Diego, you cut across, like, deep into the desert, and it looks like that.

[341] It has all these incredible.

[342] rocks and weird formations and desert and there's something badass about that man is that this is the area yeah there's a lot of incredible things there yeah it's all just wind and erosion it's cause all this stuff that's pretty amazing yeah the the desert southwest of this country has some really fucking interesting landscape and fascinating energy to it too I'll try to text you or email you with the uh with the the exact area that it was that I was driving through.

[343] Cool.

[344] But you can basically make sure you bring water.

[345] Yeah, right?

[346] Because for some reason, if you get, if your car breaks down, there's no signal, you're not getting out of there.

[347] Yeah, what do you do?

[348] You have to wait for someone to rescue you.

[349] Yeah, wait for you.

[350] There's people out there.

[351] You go buy ranches and stuff throughout that area.

[352] But, you know.

[353] Yeah, that's when counting on humanity gets very sketchy.

[354] You don't realize how vulnerable you are until your car runs out.

[355] of gas in the middle of the desert and you're like oh shit okay this is not just a matter of convenience this is a matter of we might dehydrate to death out here yeah there was actually a mixed martial arts fighter a former ufc champion evan tanner who went on this sort of vision quest in death valley and uh wound up getting disoriented lost his water and died decided he was going to go camping don't do that don't get all like into the wild on people Too late.

[356] Yeah, he did it.

[357] He died.

[358] No, that's not good.

[359] Yeah, it was definitely not good.

[360] But he was an interesting cat.

[361] He was the type of guy that, you know, he was a...

[362] Whether or not it was a smart move, it was a typical Evan Tanner sort of self -discovery type of a journey.

[363] And he did a lot of those, and most of them he came through.

[364] But some, you know, this one obviously didn't work out for him.

[365] he was a fascinating guy though really interesting very deep thinker like a deep original thinker it's just you know these guys are always trying to test themselves not just inside the cage but in life period and for him there was I think a bit of a vision quest to go out there in one of the most extreme environments known in North America and test himself or see find himself yeah I think but you know when you're going to do a thing like that you probably should prepare to be tested exactly it's like the into the wild movie the same thing the movie's infuriating the book is infuriating the story is infuriating there's a 7 -11 right over there yeah you don't have to do that man well not like that if you're gonna do that if you're gonna do that into the wild shit man you should take if you really respect nature but you should fucking prepare for it for a long time you should really know what you're doing like I am in love with these subsistence shows like these shows like these Alaska shows with these people they live off the land and trapping and hunting and fishing but they fucking know what they're doing and they've been doing it a long time and they have like cabins set up along the way like in case they get trapped outside they know that they just have to get a half mile down the road and they can get to this cabin there's dry wood inside of it they can start a fire, there's matches everything's ready to rock and roll and overprepared exactly they're ready I mean they're in Alaska it's 50 fucking degrees below zero if you're a runner and you're like a you know a semi -distance runner, like a 4 -mile runner or, you know, like a 10 -K or whatever, you do sprints and you do marathons for training.

[366] You do the extremes.

[367] Yeah.

[368] You do it often and you do it well and then you go do your race.

[369] Well, it's also, if you're going to, you really do respect that area.

[370] If you really do respect the wilderness, I mean, you've got to prepare for it.

[371] You really have to prepare to respect it.

[372] It's the only way you can respect it because by going out there unprepared, you're disrespecting it and it doesn't give a fuck about you it doesn't give a fuck about your ego it doesn't give a fuck how you know a lot of guys might get lost out here but i got a natural sense of the woods it's not hearing that shit it's not hearing that shit no no it'll dry you out and turn you into coyote food yeah it's gonna school you for sure do you enjoy the fact that there's like less humans out where you are do you feel that that's there's a benefit in that yep there is right yeah yeah absolutely I mean, you know, it's all a matter of perspective and, I guess, it's a microcosm, macrocosm kind of situation where if you're in a big city like this, you're going to see a cross -section of certain kind of people.

[373] My friend Todd that I was just talking about the talking in reference to just any kind of infrastructure or hierarchy.

[374] You've got your 10 % that are kicking ass.

[375] you've got your 80 % that are just kind of coasting, you've got your 10 % that suck.

[376] So you're going to end up, if it's L .A., or if it's like a 400 population town, you're going to have similar percentages.

[377] There's going to be 10 % that care and know what they're doing or want to know what they're doing, and then 80 % that are just there, and then 10 % that you just want to run over.

[378] That's the one good thing about being in a place like New York City or L .A. where there's a large population is there's the 10 % is a larger number and you can cultivate a good group of them and yeah you can but you have to go out and find them yeah you got to find them you got keep them close and you got to feed off of each other and then hopefully encourage some other people perhaps that are in the other 80 % to break free maybe tip the numbers a bit I agree when you die 75 because we're all capable we're all capable of you know learning doing do you feel a responsibility for that or towards that as an artist do you ever feel like because of what you're doing because of you're so motivated you get so much done you have so many different projects going do you realize the impact of that because a lot of people are inspired by the not just the work ethic that you have but the how much quality shit you produce whether it's wine or music or I appreciate the compliment I think you can't really worry about it you just got to do what it is you're doing and And for me, I just have to do what I'm doing.

[379] There's a sense of responsibility for the art or for the process and just for myself.

[380] I just, I care about what I'm doing.

[381] If I start caring about what you think about what I'm doing or whether it's going to be helping you, then I'm an assisted living employee.

[382] You said something in your video that was very unpretentious but had the potential to be massively pretentious.

[383] But it wasn't because you were being honest.

[384] And what you're saying is that life is too short To not create with every breath you take Right And when you said it The audience cheered It was a real moment You know They recognize that real moment But god damn The wrong person could say that And you're like Well you just shut the fuck up Create with every Oh please Yeah I'll get that all the time Yeah but you really mean it If you really mean it It is inspiring And that's where the cheer And the audience comes from Yeah You know, people fucking love that.

[385] They love when someone is, like, motivated to make shit, motivated to put out art, motivated to test themselves creatively.

[386] It's exciting.

[387] And, you know, I have a lot of people around me, especially, you know, just within the music, within the film, within the animation, like, all those things.

[388] But especially in the vineyards and the restaurant stuff, I see people that are just, every day, just like, I'm inspired by their work ethic.

[389] Because, you know, we were talking about a restaurant.

[390] Like, that's not, that's not a whim.

[391] That's not something you can kind of just start on a whim and not expect to be responsible for keeping the boat floating.

[392] That's like, you know, I see, there's a restaurant in Arizona called F &B, Pavley and Charlene, and just watching what they go through and what, but, you know, not go through.

[393] That's the wrong way to put it.

[394] But, like, just their process.

[395] Their process and their motivation and their fire.

[396] and their drive.

[397] It's very inspiring.

[398] And then a lot of the winemakers that I know in the state as well, you're watching them go through their changes and you're watching them go where they discover a new thing about a new potential of what they can do and how much better they can make it and just see that process.

[399] It's really inspiring.

[400] Do you watch any of Anthony Bourdain's TV shows?

[401] Do you know he is?

[402] Yeah.

[403] He had the No Reservation show and now the new show is His wife trains with Henzo.

[404] Yeah, yeah.

[405] His wife's good, man. I saw their kid training there when I was going to last.

[406] Isn't that hilarious?

[407] Yeah, she's badass.

[408] She's at the fights constantly.

[409] I've never actually met Anthony, but I've seen some of the shows.

[410] He's a great guy.

[411] I heard he has a new one that's kind of fun.

[412] Yes.

[413] What is it called?

[414] Parts Unknown?

[415] Parts Unknown?

[416] Yeah, and it's basically the same show.

[417] But this one he has more control of and now it's on CNN.

[418] It's got a bigger buzz.

[419] but the the show the one that he had on a travel channel was the first experience that i'd ever had with chefs like i knew that i like good food and i kind of understand that it takes a special person to make good food but i'd never understood how intensive the process is or how creative the process is and i mean he explores some really boutique restaurants where these guys grow their own food hunt their own meat and there's a there's one place in spain I think it was.

[420] I think it's closed.

[421] It was called El Bui, where this guy was, this head chef was this legendary guy who brought in all these amazing chefs, and they would just create these fucking intense works of art, these small plate works of art that were just so unique and inspiring.

[422] Maybe want to write jokes, you know?

[423] Maybe we want to expand my comedy routine, you know?

[424] You know, but at the same time, as intense as they are about those unique dishes, you'll also catch them eating a bowl of popcorn.

[425] Yes.

[426] Why not?

[427] Well, Bourdain's a big one on street food.

[428] He loves like street tacos and shit.

[429] I mean, why not?

[430] Why be pretentious about it?

[431] It's all about the full spectrum of these.

[432] Kind of that film.

[433] Perfume.

[434] What is that?

[435] Is it dubbed?

[436] Intense.

[437] uh movie about uh this guy it's got a perfume a story of murder i think is what the title is right is that right um and it it starts going off about this this child who was born in poverty um that uh had such an incredible sense of smell he didn't differentiate uh bad smells from good smells he just could smell everything and he was very good at like deciphering all these all these smells And, you know, so it's a, I'm not going to spoil it for you.

[438] You got to see it.

[439] I'm not going to watch it.

[440] You can spoil it.

[441] It's awesome.

[442] Is it really good?

[443] It's a trailer for a year.

[444] This is the trailer right here?

[445] It's pretty awesome.

[446] It's, uh, it's pretty intense.

[447] Dude's a creeper.

[448] He's a creeper.

[449] It's got, I think it's got Dustin Hoffman, huh?

[450] I read about a polar bear today that they train, or a dog they train to smell if polar bears are pregnant.

[451] You have to.

[452] Just stop and think of that.

[453] How specific is that?

[454] A dog trained to tell if polar bears are pregnant.

[455] So it just kind of sit around, almost like a firefighter, kind of wait for a fire.

[456] Das perfume.

[457] Ooh, good movie?

[458] You recommend that?

[459] Yeah, I do.

[460] Okay, I'll get something.

[461] I got to fly to Kentucky tomorrow.

[462] I'll throw that bitch on the laptop.

[463] It's pretty fun.

[464] I think you'll enjoy it.

[465] If you don't enjoy it, I'll recommend.

[466] I know the move you want to enjoy.

[467] Okay.

[468] Sounds like a good deal.

[469] A dog that can smell if a polar bear is pregnant.

[470] They say that the best way to describe how good a dog's nose is is skunks.

[471] Because that's the one time where we can smell parts per million.

[472] A skunk is so, the scent is so strong that we actually can catch that scent from blocks and blocks away.

[473] Very much like a dog can smell things.

[474] Okay.

[475] Yeah, which is a pretty an interesting way of exploring the idea because otherwise it seems like intangible.

[476] Well, yeah, when we have havelina around Arizona, and as soon as the havelina are coming anywhere near the vineyard or near their yard, the dog is up.

[477] Yeah.

[478] He can smell them already.

[479] Well, they're scary animals.

[480] Not even in the yard yet.

[481] They're up in what they can tell.

[482] Those are freaky things, man. Do you ever seen when they hunt havelinas?

[483] It's pretty intense.

[484] They're one of the few animals.

[485] when you call them, they come running.

[486] Like if you make a sound, like an injured animal, they don't sort of like sneak around or try to start.

[487] They come running straight towards that sound.

[488] And then they realize there's a person there, they yikes, they haul it and turn around and run the other way.

[489] But they supposedly taste great.

[490] It tastes very much like a wild pig.

[491] Yeah, but you, you know, what's one of those situations where if you don't if you don't feel dressed them properly?

[492] They've got some weird glands that'll just ruin all the meat.

[493] You cut the wrong gland and it's done.

[494] Yeah.

[495] You ruin the meat.

[496] Probably the tarsal glands.

[497] Yeah, they're stinky fucking animals.

[498] But they have to be, man. They have to be wild, hearty bitches.

[499] They're living out there in the desert, man. That's what they look like.

[500] Just like a freaky, small wild pig -looking thing.

[501] And people keep telling me that they're actually more, have more in common with a rat than a pig.

[502] Yeah.

[503] But that looks like a fucking pig to me. Yeah, it looks like a pig to me too.

[504] But I guess a rat kind of looks like a pig, too.

[505] They're just small.

[506] I have no desire to eat them, so they must not be a pig, because I love a bacon.

[507] They apparently taste really good.

[508] They taste very much like pig.

[509] Wild pig is supposed to be the best.

[510] I've never had a wild pig.

[511] There's got to be some place in L .A. that serves Havillana.

[512] Some place in L .A. has to serve at Havolina.

[513] You would assume, right?

[514] Let's find out.

[515] I bet it's really hard to get commercial Havalena, though.

[516] You know, you'd have to hire hunters to go out and get it for you.

[517] And what kind of a supply could you actually get?

[518] What's that place that's up in, like, Malibu?

[519] It's like that kind of game restaurant.

[520] Oh, yeah.

[521] The Saddle Peak Lodge.

[522] I wonder if they have it.

[523] I don't think so.

[524] I was there recently.

[525] They have, like, elk and venison and things along those lines and pheasant.

[526] I don't think they have.

[527] Havillian is pretty, that's pretty freaky.

[528] You've got to go to, like, New Mexico.

[529] Yeah, let's call them and say, step up, man. Yeah, call them and say.

[530] say listen, man. I'll come in.

[531] If you have...

[532] Havillina tacos.

[533] If you have polar bear, you know, period sniffing dog steaks and Havillina.

[534] There was a website that was selling exotic meat from animals like lions.

[535] They were selling like lion meat and also at Havillina Cantina.

[536] What is that?

[537] Cedona, Arizona.

[538] Oh, did they really sell Havillina there, though?

[539] Probably not.

[540] No, that's like a Friday's.

[541] That's a TGI Friday.

[542] But in Arizona, it's more like a Thursday.

[543] They take a day off early, a little more laid back, a little longer weekend.

[544] It's hot.

[545] Yeah, it's hot as fuck in the summertime, man. And then you get that Sheriff Alpio, Dick Wad.

[546] You know who that guy is?

[547] You don't know who Sheriff Arpio is?

[548] You guys have the most controversial sheriff in the entire country.

[549] Down south around Tucson?

[550] He's the guy that puts everybody in pink underwear and pink jumpsuits and has the men stay outside.

[551] intense no air conditioning makes him work it sounds like college I think it's more there's more butt fucking than regular college I think it's uh he's just this really controversial conservative guy yeah see the photo these guys he puts him in this clean and sober I guess he had Mike Tyson in one of those apparently arrested him and didn't get the fuck out?

[552] No, I mean, he's pretty, pretty insulated by the time you get to him.

[553] So quite a few people with guns in the way.

[554] True.

[555] But he's famous for sort of representing Arizona, you know, and then...

[556] We get a lot of...

[557] We have a lot of those people.

[558] Like the governor, that Jan Brewer chick.

[559] She's one of the few people that I've ever seen, like, give a debate where I was like, hmm, I could be a governor.

[560] I was listening to her talk And I was like I could do that job I could definitely beat her George Bush wasn't enough You had to wait to Her jambers No I don't think I could be president I have too many skeletons But I could be a governor I could totally They'll let you get away With a few skeletons If you're a governor True I mean none of them are bad I've never done any real crimes I don't have any bodies Or anything like that I don't drug use I'll be questionable I've said a few things I said a few things Might come back to harm me But nothing But I watch her Give debates And I'm like, oh, this is hilarious.

[561] And then she won.

[562] I mean, I watched the debate where she was just And then you realized you could win.

[563] Yeah, I realized I could beat this chick.

[564] I'll have to just prepare a little.

[565] This ain't hard.

[566] How the fuck did she win?

[567] How is she your governor?

[568] How is that?

[569] I don't know.

[570] You didn't vote for it, did you?

[571] No. How far away is the place that you train jihitsu?

[572] Is it a real town?

[573] Yeah, it's in Codeward.

[574] So it's small, you know, a small dojo.

[575] Brazilian jihitsu, it used to be one point in time.

[576] it was super hard to find a good Jiu -Jitsu gem.

[577] Guys would buy like VHS tapes and train each other.

[578] And now it's so amazing.

[579] There's guys in Prescott now.

[580] There's guys in Cottonwood.

[581] I think there might be guys in Sedona, but there's definitely guys in Prescott and Cottonwood.

[582] Well, Arizona itself is a huge hotbed for mixed martial arts.

[583] You know, you've got the lab, which is where Benson Henderson comes from, John Crouch's place.

[584] Then you've got Power MMA, which is where, you know, Aaron Simpson, C .B. Dahlway, a lot of, like, big name, M .M. fighters.

[585] A lot of guys come out of Arizona.

[586] Megatons studios there.

[587] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[588] Yeah, it's really interesting how that sport has opened up the door for, not even people that want to compete in MMA, but people that are just interested in exploring martial arts.

[589] You know, the amount of legit martial art schools is probably at an all -time high in this country now.

[590] Yep.

[591] Yeah, I would have to read that.

[592] I just got back from training with my friends in St. Louis that was I hurt my wrist how much training do you do when you're on the road do you like on the road it's harder way harder I mean if you know if we have a day where we can go in and train and we have like a nice day off or a day off you know two days off then I can risk it but you know to go in and just there's what time you know when would you do it right on a show day there's just no way but you've been involved in one form or another at least peripherally in martial arts for a long fucking time now right yeah i saw a photo of you at b j pen back when you know he was like a purple belt i got i got injured in like 2003 or 2002 actually before that and then i just kind of compounded and then i had to stop around 2003 that was the back thing right yeah this is what uh i got drawn out of my blood this is the what pushed me over the top and gave me the flu i'm gonna pull this up for you You can see this fucking ridiculous amount of blood They sucked out of my body That's...

[593] Come on.

[594] Jello shots, let's go.

[595] That's what they take and heat up And then spin in the centrifuge And I'll let you know how it works out But I've been dealing with a back injury For the past all together For about four or five years now But pretty bad over the last year and a half On and off And started to get like numbness in my hands and things along those lines where I was realizing that my nerves are getting impeded and smushed and I realized I had to do something about it.

[596] So I don't have any of the symptoms anymore, but this is supposed to do an amazing job.

[597] You did that here?

[598] Yeah, I did it in Santa Monica.

[599] Okay.

[600] Well, they do it in Germany, and that's where I was going.

[601] Dana White has been going over there for...

[602] He has Meneer's disease, which is something to do with the inner ear, and it makes vertigo and tinnitus.

[603] He gets like this ring in his ear and literally can't stand up, loses his balance.

[604] But the guy who developed this process in Germany trained a bunch of other doctors and now they're doing it in Santa Monica as well.

[605] So I just went in today.

[606] You're my guinea pig then.

[607] I'm in.

[608] I just got the first injections today.

[609] But I'm with you.

[610] Old dudes with back problems.

[611] Salute.

[612] Hey.

[613] It's the one thing that does sock about about training is that your body's your vehicle it's not a race car it's this fleshy in general wrestling and jujitsu it's just it's just brutal it's not you know it's not just going into a gym and there's a there's a there's a direction that this weight machine moves and that's it yeah it's every direction that's why it's so critical to find good training partners you know just like we were talking about cultivating good friends cultivating good training partners is another one.

[614] There's a few guys at 10th Planet Jiu -Jitsu that I know I can count on to not spaz out, to be technical.

[615] And I'm still learning that.

[616] You know, even now, it's like I'm so used to my wrestling background where it's like go, go, go, go, and I'm having to go.

[617] Slow, slow, slow.

[618] Yeah, if you ever watch, like, really high -level guys go at it, one of the more fascinating aspects of it is it looks like there's very little effort being applied especially when they're sparring a little bit more so when they're competing when they're competing they're going after it but when they're sparring like a lot of times these guys are just sort of rolling around it seems like they're flowing it's like walk walk sprint walk yeah walk never give the guy a position where he could sprint to the finish line always make him he's got four or five steps before he can sprint because a regular person won't see the difference between that between the just what looks like casual rolling and even though they're casually rolling he's always going to be two or three spots away from the finish line it's chess yeah it really is and that's something that i found uh like we were talking about things that inspire you creatively i i get inspired by people who have a lot of discipline for jiu -jitsu i get inspired by people that are you know constant creating and and putting a new slant on that in that jiu -jitsu is very much an art form I mean the word martial art it seems wrong to people that don't participate in it like the word art seems like the wrong thing but when you do it you realize like if you watch it and you see if you have an aptitude for you understand it and you see what's going on then you watch someone's really good at it it becomes beautiful and then it does become an art. It is something, not just an art as far as like something creative, but an art like as in something visually beautiful.

[619] And very, very inspirational, man, I think.

[620] And it's also another one of those things that I think like creating wine, like putting together a band, like putting together a comedy act, like writing a novel, like these things that we do when we put our, our thoughts and our creativity into something, they sort of, they, they don't just exist in a vacuum, but they sort of enhance all the other aspects of our life, too.

[621] I agree, yeah.

[622] And just in general, I mean, there's that just that whole just physical aspect of making the blood go through your system and being in shape.

[623] You just start thinking more clearly.

[624] You're more creative.

[625] You can kind of solve puzzles better.

[626] If you're just, if you're, if I notice, if I just, if I just need a break and I just start slouching off, It starts to kind of compound if I don't get back into something, walking, running.

[627] No doubt.

[628] Do you ever fuck around with yoga?

[629] A little bit, yeah.

[630] I need to do it more.

[631] That's one of those things that I just feel like it's the on the to -do list that I just keep being embarrassed about having to put it on the next to -do list.

[632] Yeah, that's one of those things that everybody always says too.

[633] I need to do more yoga.

[634] We'll talk about yoga and, oh, God, I need to do yoga more.

[635] And it's an absolute embarrassing reality.

[636] I have to do more yoga.

[637] Yeah, I have a couple good DVDs that I slap in the laptop on the road.

[638] That's a very satisfying thing to do to work out in a hotel room completely alone and do just a whole yoga class through a laptop when you get through it.

[639] It's a real feeling of accomplishment because I could have just ate Doritos and watched TV instead.

[640] Which is what I did last night.

[641] Yeah.

[642] It was actually Swedish fish.

[643] It wasn't Doritos.

[644] Swedish fish?

[645] Those are rare.

[646] When you have those nearby, it's really tough to say no to them.

[647] That's what I'm saying.

[648] Like, ooh, Swedish fish.

[649] I can do yoga or I can have these.

[650] Well, you could do both.

[651] That's where it gets up.

[652] I was out of town, so, you know, when I'm in a hotel out of town and my wife's, you know, wherever she is, it's my opportunity to watch, like, all those stupid movies that she just won't watch while I'm around.

[653] Like what?

[654] I watch that new Riddick movie.

[655] I saw that.

[656] Bab boom.

[657] I saw that with my daughter.

[658] She was looking at me like, what the fuck did you take me to say?

[659] I'm like, I'm sorry.

[660] It's so awful.

[661] I watched the whole thing.

[662] It's so bad.

[663] I watched the whole thing.

[664] Yeah, it was one of the worst movies.

[665] Laughing the whole time, laughing at myself, knowing that she's probably laughing, knowing that it sucks so bad.

[666] And here I am watching the whole thing and just laughing at myself or watching it.

[667] The craziest thing is the first one was really good, you know, and I try to explain that to, my 17 -year -old after we saw it.

[668] Which one?

[669] The first one was good.

[670] Near Dark.

[671] It was a good fucking movie.

[672] That is a good, scary science fiction movie.

[673] But somewhere along the line, what is this number third, four?

[674] It's four, I think.

[675] I can't tell you how many times I've watched Chronicles.

[676] Is Chronicles good?

[677] Well, my wife doesn't think so.

[678] There's something going on now, man, with science fiction movies, where there's so much CGI and they can get away with doing so much on the screen visually that I'm detached.

[679] I'm not feeling like I went to see Star Trek, the last Star Trek one into the darkness, whatever the fuck it was.

[680] And I was like, this is just a bunch of things happening.

[681] I have no connection at all to any of these people.

[682] The first one I was pretty connected with.

[683] Not bad, yeah.

[684] But the last one was just like just a series of things happening in front of you where you don't give a fuck.

[685] Right.

[686] You know, it's just, they're almost I guess you know it comes down back to the art if you see somebody taking even a mediocre script and just running with it when you see an artist kind of taking those being able to tell those stories to where you just believe it I don't know if I use this example with you last time but I just saw it again this season of Sons of Anarchy watching Kim Coates fully get an erection over Walton Goggins and drag and it's just you know it's you know Walton Goggins has fake tits and he's you know like a mask because he's trying to get his son back and you know the lipstick's all smeared and like you know Kim Coates is trying to figure out how he's going to date this dude it's just it's just such an awkward but they completely sell it like all the way you're convinced like that he loves her and it's like Not a her.

[687] It's Walton Goggins and with fake boobs.

[688] There you go.

[689] That's hilarious.

[690] I haven't given that show a chance.

[691] Try to find a shot of Kim Coates staring at him, her.

[692] It's incredible.

[693] Now, is he supposed to be a transsexual or a transgender or a transvestite?

[694] I think she still has her previous equipment, but also has tits.

[695] So are the tits, those are their implants or are their hormones, implants?

[696] I don't know.

[697] Hmm.

[698] They don't specify.

[699] I don't know.

[700] Probably.

[701] They don't really say, I don't think.

[702] Yeah.

[703] The only thing that'll throw you off with those things is the dimple size.

[704] Men generally don't have the right nipples for boobs like that.

[705] So when you see them and they used to be a man...

[706] Can I go?

[707] Just trying to give you advice, bro.

[708] If things get dark, don't get sensitive.

[709] If shit gets weird, the transgender community is there for you.

[710] Sound like you've done a lot of research on this.

[711] I have, unfortunately.

[712] I'm fascinated by gender identity.

[713] I'm fascinated by people who decide that they...

[714] Well, then you'll love...

[715] And you can see why they brought...

[716] There he's got his arm around her now.

[717] Wow.

[718] But you can see why...

[719] When it first came up, they were just using this tranny to blackmail a dude.

[720] And even in that scene, the character Tiggs, Kim, like, just was so distracted.

[721] by what was like they were supposed to just be doing this job and he's just he was so fascinated with this person and you could see why the writer put it put him back in to a later season because anybody who's walking that show went bring her back that was awesome and now he's now oh wow bab boom oh wow how did they do that so that's the dude from the shield yeah yeah oh that's hilarious yeah and uh and justified I'm missing out.

[722] I need to start.

[723] He's one of my favorite actors.

[724] But I think he's a great actor.

[725] That dude can act his ass off.

[726] He was fantastic in his shield too.

[727] Aren't they on like season?

[728] What's season like six or seven?

[729] Yeah, I can't catch up.

[730] Now it's too late.

[731] It's just daunting.

[732] It's too much work.

[733] Yeah.

[734] I don't know.

[735] I can't.

[736] Do you watch anything else on TV that's stupid?

[737] No, because I mean, I watch all kinds of stupid shows, but I'm always looking at like, if I find out there's an actor that I like in a thing, and I want to see how they're dealing with the puzzle they've been dealt.

[738] That's my, that's kind of like why I'm even watching it.

[739] I'm just want to see the craft.

[740] Or you hear a rumor of like, watch this fucker unravel.

[741] Like, because you can, let me, so this particular actor is having some issues.

[742] So you'll want to watch the show to watch if you can see if you go get a whiff of the crazy coming off them.

[743] Like, what do you mean?

[744] Yeah, maybe they're getting into pills or something.

[745] Kind of like, and just seems just trying to hold it together.

[746] And you can also, like, two episodes later, there's like a new, character that could potentially take over that person's position.

[747] Oh, that's funny.

[748] Thinking of building an end of the script to go, okay.

[749] So you add the background.

[750] You add a little flavor.

[751] Yeah, just to see how they're just see how that's going.

[752] Well, it's a common issue, especially the pills.

[753] Yeah.

[754] It's poor fucks.

[755] Yeah, and it's hard to want, you know, I have a lot of friends that are, that would go through that kind of stuff and it's, that's one of the hardest things to get out of your system.

[756] You'd probably rather, you know, you're better off trying to get off heroin because the pills just go deep Yeah, well, and the pills essentially are heroin.

[757] I mean, that's what they are.

[758] They're opiates.

[759] And they leave a lot, they just do damage.

[760] Yeah.

[761] Major damage.

[762] And they prescribe them like they're giving out free gum.

[763] I mean, it's amazing how many people are on prescription painkillers in this country and how many of those painkillers are opiates and how many of those people are addicted to those opiates.

[764] So, we're fucking weird when it comes to that man, without a doubt.

[765] That's one of the most disturbing aspects of our society.

[766] The amount of pills that people consume.

[767] You know, it's dark.

[768] And when you see someone that you care.

[769] It kind of started right, kind of about a generation before us with the Valium.

[770] And a sudden.

[771] Sure.

[772] Rolling Stone song, Mother's Little helper.

[773] Yeah, she goes running for the shelter.

[774] Yeah, that's when they first found out that you could live a shitty life and get through it with some sort of medication.

[775] and just medicate yourself and dull the angst and dull the desire to free yourself from this fucking hellish existence or just go do something you could definitely do that too just go do something yeah I wonder how long it's going to take society figure that as a whole so that'll be a thing of the past do something without expecting to be compensated for just do it because you want to do it yeah no that's great advice for some people I think they have a hard time finding something that they actually enjoy doing too well you're so conditioned to want stuff to have you know like you know the fluff around it from the glory days or whatever you forget to just you know work harder for less to just enjoy your what you do you have children now i have i have a son he's 18 what is it like like seeing someone who you know you created who's about to enter into this crazy world as an independent.

[776] I mean, he's essentially on his way to being a man. He's 18 is basically at the launching block of manhood.

[777] Well, you know, he's way smarter than I am.

[778] So there's no, I don't have any worries about him finding his way.

[779] He's intuitive.

[780] He's personable.

[781] He is good at understanding social dynamics, but he's extremely smart.

[782] He wants to go into chemistry and biology, but he's also an incredible cello player.

[783] Wow.

[784] He got a scholarship to play cello for a performance of high school for cello, but he's not going to pursue cello for his college.

[785] That's just an extra thing he does, and he rocks at it.

[786] So I don't have any, I guess part of it is when you, my parents or my dad is just a very active person, very smart man. um and healthy and so when i see him when you know when you kind of know where you're where you've been you know where you're going so right i have a feeling that's just having my son see what i did see what my my dad has done he's he has in a way he has a good compass um good navigation skills Yeah, the only concern that I have, the big concern, is that children today are growing up with so many more variables than we ever did.

[787] And also much more potential for quicker learning because of the Internet.

[788] And with that, again, more potential, more possibilities, more variables, more things to think about.

[789] It's like more that could potentially be overwhelming.

[790] Right.

[791] And I think most kids are.

[792] I think there's like, you know, just my father was a high school teacher, and by the time he retired, it was basically because they kind of pushed him out to get into a new person who wasn't going to question the curriculum.

[793] He was very adamant about making the people who came into that classroom, you had to make an effort in his classroom to pass the class.

[794] You couldn't coast.

[795] It wasn't anything.

[796] It was like a multiple choice question.

[797] You were answering the questions, and you had to know the material, and you had to be on time.

[798] you had to put in over the course of the year you're also doing homework and coming in with completed thoughts that were that counted towards your grades and if you didn't complete all aspects of that in his class you didn't do well yeah if there's any one thing that you can in instill in a child that's going to guarantee them a healthier existence is an appreciation for work and appreciation for accomplishing things setting and accomplishing goals so So few kids are ever indoctrinated into that sort of the way of life.

[799] Yeah, we didn't get to school unless he got up at 6 a .m. and snowblowed the driveway in the winter.

[800] We weren't going to work.

[801] Where did you guys live, Boston?

[802] Michigan.

[803] Michigan.

[804] Yeah, I lived in Boston.

[805] Same sort of situation.

[806] Yeah, our driveway was almost a quarter mile long.

[807] So if we didn't snow blow the driveway, we weren't getting to the main road that was hopefully plowed.

[808] A quarter mile?

[809] Of snow blowing.

[810] Holy shit.

[811] Well, luckily it was snow blowing and not shoveling.

[812] Yeah.

[813] Motherfucker.

[814] Yeah.

[815] A quarter...

[816] And you're dealing with some serious snow up there.

[817] Yeah, because it's on Lake Michigan side, so you get a lot of...

[818] Oh, God, it's fucking cold.

[819] My senior year, we had seven days of school in January.

[820] What?

[821] That's hilarious.

[822] The blizzard would hit on Sunday or Monday.

[823] and boomed on until Thursday.

[824] Tell me, though, how awesome were snow days growing up?

[825] That's one thing, people in California, Arizona.

[826] HBO, Mountain Dew, and Red Lickrish.

[827] Bam.

[828] I used to look out that window, and if I saw, like, a foot on the car outside, parked on.

[829] I'll be like, fuck, yeah.

[830] And then you would call that number.

[831] It was a number.

[832] They would, you know, they would list off the different towns where school was canceled.

[833] And if they got to Newton, I would go, fuck yes it was just this huge free day yeah that was a beautiful thing it was also the thing that I really appreciated a lot about growing up in a really fucking cold place despite on top of learning that you know there's a good to having really fucking cold snowy days and that's you really appreciate the sunny days with a different vigor you know seasons yeah Yeah, but there's also the quiet.

[834] There's a weird quiet when everything's covered in snow that I don't think anybody will ever appreciate unless they experience it.

[835] Oh, yeah, it's amazing.

[836] When you're out there and it's like a full -on snowstorm and there's just a foot and a half of snow in the ground, the trees are covered with snow, you don't hear shit.

[837] It's this weird, eerie, ringing silence.

[838] Yeah, because it's a different, you know, if it's a rainstorm, of course you're hearing rain.

[839] but just that floating snow big chunks coming down it's almost like an incredible sound barrier yeah it absorbs everything and you're just like you're such like an isolation tank yeah you hear like every now and then you hear like a car in the distance trying to get out of a driveway or you're like a fucker won't start yeah I grew up in this area that was across the street from a river and it was a fairly rural area and this giant park in the river was across the street from my house and the street was pretty steep and every time it would snow or especially if it would rain the street would become a hockey rink and I would watch cars drive down the hill and just right when they got to my house they'd be losing control and just bouncing off curbs I think there's something to learn about that and there's something about dealing with weather that I think is healthy for a person and healthy for your character.

[840] And I haven't driven a car in snow in, you know, decades, like, for any length of time.

[841] But in Jerome, we get snow in the winter.

[842] And it's amazing to me how people just cannot drive in it.

[843] Yeah.

[844] And we get it every year, you know, a little bit, sometimes a lot more.

[845] But having to, like, I immediately just get in my Jeep and I go up to a point in the town where it's the problem spot and just park and wait.

[846] Because there's somebody that can't get up the hill.

[847] or around the bend because I just can't understand not to slam on the gas so you park and wait to help people yeah because they're good because well I'm helping you know I'm not don't you know I'm not to there we go it's just that one of those ones where they do the crash thing not because I'm like some kind of you know helping helping hand type guy oh Jesus look at this oh Jesus Christ that guy's getting and did The cool thing about accidents in the snow is they just sort of bump into each other and slide around.

[848] No one's glued on the ground, so it's not the same kind of impact.

[849] Right.

[850] Well, you know, I go up there to help them out just because I know if I don't, there's going to be like 20 cars behind them that can't get where they're going.

[851] So it's just more a matter of like bringing a plunger to the shit show.

[852] There's a certain amount of camaraderie too, about when things like that happens, snow and people have to help push people's cars out of spots and things long.

[853] That's another thing that people don't deal with in L .A. The lack of weather in L .A. is, I think, one of the reasons why people are so cocky.

[854] Because they never get humbled.

[855] This doesn't even fucking rain here.

[856] You know, I remember after the earthquake in 94, it's just when I moved here, in 93, whatever it was.

[857] I moved here right after that happened.

[858] And I remember people were so nice.

[859] They were so humble.

[860] It was a weird thing.

[861] It was like it brought people together for a little bit.

[862] That was a strange experience to be, you know, I was all, you know, like Steve Martin, the jerk out in the back air with my dogs in front of me, like, you know, like hearing the trees just like creaking around at all the car alarms, like a symphony of car alarms going off.

[863] It was crazy, like hearing the glass shatter everywhere.

[864] Yeah.

[865] Freak me out.

[866] Yeah, I missed it.

[867] I came right after it happened, but I got caught in one of the bigger aftershocks.

[868] I was in an apartment on North Hollywood And my apartment moved around The best way I could describe it As if it was a refrigerator box It just went side to side To side to side to side It was made of nothing And I was just going Holy shit Were you up by like Lancashem, Vineland and Cameria Right yeah yeah That's where I was That's where I lived Oh no kidding Right behind the blockbuster There by the Firestone Yeah I was like just I guess it would be just east of Laurel Canyon like deep down like Moore Park I was on Moore Park Yeah you weren't that far from me That fucking thing was outside nude With my dog as a Merkin Freak the fuck out Yeah and there was that feeling About like Los Angeles then Where people were humbled You know they were like a little nicer to each other And I felt it again in New York Right after September 11th I remember I lived in New York in the early 90s and then when I went back to New York I remember like California I'm thinking that people in California were like a lot more mellow and nicer than people in New York and people in New York always had that sort of hard edge to it but when I went after September 11th that edge was gone there was this warmth to people in New York and a friendliness that I hadn't ever experienced there before I was like this is really interesting I'm like there's a real tangible positive impact that this tragedy has had is that people are appreciating each other more.

[869] People are appreciating.

[870] Yeah, I think, you know, it's almost like people need perspective.

[871] They need to see negative to appreciate positive.

[872] You need to see those shitty Michigan winters to appreciate a good summer day.

[873] In California, every day is a great summer day.

[874] Today was a great summer day.

[875] It's fucking November 4th.

[876] It's 82 degrees outside.

[877] You know, we're a little spoiled when it comes to that.

[878] people need nature they need to see it need a fucking rainstorm just kick your ass just to let you know like this fucking thing can come down on you at any time i have no point that's where it ends i liked it that's true though right i think that's the one curse it's almost like being born rich you know you never have to deal with adversity in california there's a lack of appreciation for the fact that you're actually on a planet that you're actually a part of nature you're actually a part of nature you're You know, just there's no seasons here, so you don't really get the chance to see that change.

[879] What a perfect place to put the factory of all things fake, you know?

[880] I mean, if you really wanted to think about a great way to fuck up a culture, you know, just take a spot where the weather never changes, and then put cameras on people and pretend they're interesting.

[881] Pretend they're amazing.

[882] Give them lines to say that they're way too fucking stupid.

[883] Oh, yeah.

[884] Convince them, give them cocaine, give them tons of money for.

[885] for pretending, confusing shit out of everybody.

[886] Make it so that they get in line first at a clubs.

[887] Everybody lets them in.

[888] They throw velvet carpet down and they walk on them and everybody cheers.

[889] Confuse the fuck out of everybody.

[890] Right.

[891] This is the spot.

[892] And by the way, it never rains.

[893] And it never rains.

[894] Rain in Arizona this year.

[895] Did it?

[896] Yeah.

[897] Got a lot of good rain.

[898] Yeah, Arizona doesn't get much props, man. It's not like when people talk about the cool spots country.

[899] Arizona doesn't get much props.

[900] Unless you're on, you know, unless you're on a vision quest.

[901] Unless you're on a vision quest.

[902] Let's look for some solid peyote.

[903] Yeah.

[904] Some San Pedro cactus and a good sweat lodge.

[905] That's for you.

[906] Try to find your spirit.

[907] That's for the kids.

[908] That's for the kids?

[909] I don't fuck with that peyote.

[910] I've never fucked with peyote.

[911] I've heard mixed reviews.

[912] You know, maybe.

[913] Maybe.

[914] I had a bald friend who had a good experience on it.

[915] Oh, yeah?

[916] Did he look like you?

[917] A little bit.

[918] Not then.

[919] Not right then.

[920] Yeah, I've been more of a mushroom guy myself.

[921] Mushrooms and tryptomines.

[922] But hey, I would snub my nose at no peyote.

[923] This peyote is a weird one too because you can actually own, legally own the cactus.

[924] Not just own it, but you can buy it at hardware stores.

[925] You go to Home Depot and get San Pedro cactus.

[926] And I'm pretty sure that's how you make it, right?

[927] I don't know.

[928] I was with some indigenous people who invited me into their ceremony.

[929] So it was quite a special moment.

[930] Yeah, I have no personal experience, but I have one friend that did it and said that he was in an apartment building and he was listening to people talk that were easily five blocks away.

[931] And he was listening to every word out of their mouth.

[932] And he couldn't believe that he could hear it, but he was absolutely sure that he could hear it.

[933] God bless him.

[934] God bless Pioti.

[935] He woke up with one of those orange cones stuffed in his ear.

[936] Oh, they did.

[937] No, he woke up trying to figure out whether or not it was a dream.

[938] You know, that's the problem with those hallucinogenic experiences.

[939] Even if it's an incredible beneficial experience, there's that wrestling match where you're like, Like, was it real?

[940] What was that?

[941] And I try to get people to look at psychedelic experiences as this way.

[942] Like, whether it was real or whether it wasn't real, the experience was exactly the same.

[943] So if you took mushrooms and truly did go to another dimension and communicate with ultimate knowledge and tune into the love of the universe, tune into the frequency of life and of progress, or whether it happened in your mind, it's still the same experience.

[944] Right.

[945] But, you know, if people are going to do those things, I think it goes back to what you were talking about before, about understanding, you know, preparation for this thing you're going to do.

[946] Having respect for it, too.

[947] Yeah, having absolute respect for it and understanding what you're getting into and understanding when you get, you know, wherever you go, understanding how to hand.

[948] handle just a kind of finding us a center in yourself that can you kind of handle what it is you're seeing and try to stay out of fear yeah a moment stay away from fear and just you know just prepare if you're going to do those kind of things just prepare for the journey prepare for the journey and learn how to let go and if you are going to do those things do it hopefully with somebody who knows what the fuck they're doing because if you start messing with that stuff and neither one of you know what you're, you're both going to be under that, that fog of fear.

[949] Right.

[950] You're both going to be terrible.

[951] But if one guy's like, dude, trust me, I've been here before, I know how to get out of this neck of the woods.

[952] Right.

[953] You're going to be okay.

[954] Right.

[955] How much benefit have you had, personally, from psychedelic experiences?

[956] I didn't, you know, I didn't really do a lot of it.

[957] Compared to people that I knew, they did a lot of it and didn't make it out.

[958] Did make it out?

[959] There's a lot of guys, you know, you know, you've met them.

[960] You know, you've met those kind of people that just, they didn't quite make it out.

[961] And it's kind of twisted them for, for life.

[962] How many people do you know like that?

[963] Dozens.

[964] Really?

[965] Yeah.

[966] Holy shit.

[967] Just, you know, they're just not, they're never going to, just because of the whole nature of how it breaks down some of those barriers between your left and right brain.

[968] Just metaphorically, you know, just how you think about your creative process.

[969] They can never quite get their feet back on the ground to understand what it means to actually do a thing rather than just, you know, imagine a thing.

[970] So you know dozens of people like that?

[971] No, what was it?

[972] Was it like a series of trips or was it like...

[973] They just did too much.

[974] Too much?

[975] Too much, too long.

[976] Just lived in that world for too long.

[977] Yeah, that is a problem.

[978] And didn't prepare, again, didn't prepare for what they were going to do and see and...

[979] McKenna always had the best advice when it came to psychedelics.

[980] Large doses infrequently.

[981] Right.

[982] Right.

[983] And prepare.

[984] Yeah.

[985] Prepare and don't do it all the time.

[986] Do it and then process.

[987] Figure out what can you get out of this.

[988] Again, it's contrast.

[989] Whatever journey you took, even if it's not on the psychedelics, even if it's like just some entire, you're going to go for a month to be silent in some, you know, some spiritual place and introspection and, you know, do a fast or whatever, you don't want to do that, like, you know, 12 months out of the year.

[990] That doesn't, they don't have any contrast with anything.

[991] Just go do it, get intense about it, prepare for it before you go, and then be ready to take a while to come out of it when you are coming back.

[992] And then you live your normal life.

[993] Do you feel like that, like, when you're creating wine or when you're putting together a DVD, or when you take on a project that you're kind of on a journey like that as well?

[994] Absolutely.

[995] Everything that I've done has there's been some element of preparation attached to it.

[996] It's not something I just dive into.

[997] And then every time those things are accomplished, there's this feeling of reinforcement of the process.

[998] Yeah, I mean, you know, everybody has a way to trick themselves into thinking they're right or, you know, kind of consistently put a particular process in to get some result back that reinforces the behavior.

[999] But, you know, aside from that, if you're just preparing properly, there's definitely a satisfaction from, you know, coming from, you know, even the happy accidents along the way, things you learn that you didn't think you were going to learn, stuff that was actually a challenge that he hadn't prepared for, but you managed to get through.

[1000] those are the kind of things that really kind of make those results satisfying do you intentionally seek inspiration like through books or through documentaries or anything not intentionally but just you know you know I'll be reading a book or an article or seeing a film and somebody will use a word that resonates on some level and I go ooh write the word down then I might build something on that word so it's just Right now, it could be two years from now that I've gone back to that word.

[1001] Right.

[1002] So it's just following your own curiosity or interests, and that eventually leads you to inspiration.

[1003] Right.

[1004] I mean, if you're into physics and, you know, just geometry and general chemistry, there's these structures that are already there in terms of the relationships between numbers and shapes and angles and, you know, just molecules.

[1005] um and they're and they're very similar uh in respect to just emotional experiences uh just life experiences even just the journey from a you know an infant to uh an elderly person there's a whole there's very common angles and structure and uh commonality between those experiences that can be can resonate so if i see a word that for some reason resonates with me at the age of 35 or 40, I write it down right away because most likely there's some kind of geometry or resonance with that word that's speaking to me at this age and this stage of my life that I should pay attention to.

[1006] So I'll write it down and I'll see, I'll explore more to see if it is in fact something that wouldn't be relevant when I was 20, might not be relevant when I'm 60, but it's relevant now.

[1007] So I'll look at it and I'll build on it.

[1008] Yeah, that's an interesting thing about getting older and the ideas that you come across, these ideas are sort of cross -referencing with these other experiences that you've had in your life up to this point now, and now it resonates, now it makes sense.

[1009] Right.

[1010] Whereas at 21, it didn't mean a damn thing to you.

[1011] Right.

[1012] A documentary in a guy making sushi when you were 21 would be like, what the fuck am I watching?

[1013] Right.

[1014] But when you're 41, it's like, oh, okay, this guy is kind of obsessed with this art or something to this.

[1015] Right.

[1016] This guy's making swords.

[1017] Look, he's making the sword.

[1018] So he's folding the metal.

[1019] I watched a whole documentary on this guy making traditional style samurai swords and the incredibly intensive, laborious process involved in folding steel, hammering it down, folding it, hammering it down.

[1020] Fascinating shit.

[1021] Yeah.

[1022] And that, like everything else, it's all just...

[1023] And there's no skipping any steps in that.

[1024] Impossible.

[1025] You know, weaving a...

[1026] a rug properly.

[1027] Yeah, making your own fucking clothes out of a thread.

[1028] Pulling, you know, weaving threads together.

[1029] Like, some, they ought to do that.

[1030] That's what they did.

[1031] You know, that's, there's, there's no other way.

[1032] I watched this, um, uh, documentary on indigenous tribes, uh, Inuit tribes, uh, creating fishing nets.

[1033] And that it would take them a year often to create one net.

[1034] A fucking year.

[1035] You better have a couple already made.

[1036] You have to have a couple already made.

[1037] And, you know, that's the way.

[1038] way you're eating that's the way these fucking people are going to eat goes back to those subsistence shows that i'm absolutely fascinated with right there's this one that i've been watching now it's called uh life below zero and it's just these different families families or individuals who live up in alaska and they go from one to the next and follow these people and this one tribe that's a man and a woman and the woman is a native Inuit woman and the man is an American from the lower 48 and they have children together and you know like they've lost family members because they fell through the ice and died you know I mean this is like this is real shit this woman who's they're walking across the ice and they're like knocking holes into the ice to make sure that it's deep enough for them to walk and they're with their children and then they're going to put this net down underneath this ice and feed it to each other on the other side of the river and they're going to catch fish and that's how they're they're all eating and there's no other way to eat and this is what they do and that's and that's their life and there's something about it that's so fucking terrifying to you that just that just shut me down yeah that sounds cold oh it's fucking cold as shit man you know this woman had lost two family members she'd lost one of her sisters and I think one of her brothers or maybe a cousin or something like that fell through guys.

[1039] I was just going to reach for a sweater.

[1040] Yeah.

[1041] It's wild shit, man. But to them, that's life.

[1042] That's what they're doing.

[1043] That's their existence.

[1044] You know, laughing while they're doing it and everybody, I mean, I guess people just adapt and get used to it.

[1045] But there's also this like intense spiritual connection with their food that way.

[1046] You know, when they're pulling these fish out of this water and they're grabbing a hold of it and making sure it doesn't fall back under the ice like there's this intense connection between this this this animal this this creature that they just caught and we don't really ever get and and when they eat that animal there's also this intense feeling of satisfaction that goes with that that this substance living very very very intense man very intense we've lost touch with that because we have so much available to us you know no matter where we look yeah we've got you know food clothing shell is pretty much readily available.

[1047] We've gotten a little lazy on that kind of stuff.

[1048] A lot lazy, and I think it's a lot like what we're talking about, Los Angeles.

[1049] I mean, Los Angeles is too goddamn easy.

[1050] There's no weather.

[1051] You know, it's no weather, it's simple, go to the supermarket, everything's spelled out for you, soft life.

[1052] Soft life creates soft people.

[1053] We've got to figure out a way to fix that.

[1054] What's the way, dude?

[1055] Yeah.

[1056] Reset.

[1057] The only way, I think, is for people to figure it out on their own To be inspired by people who have figured that out You know, this marble is way smarter than we are So when it decides that there's any even You know, if the kids get a little too cocky It'll toss a few tidal waves or toss a few meteors at it Just to just to reset It'll just reset and you'll go back to having to figure out what to do with your time Not having your PDA Yeah Yeah.

[1058] I've always wondered if that's what it did with the dinosaurs.

[1059] If the earth looked at the situation was like, those are too big.

[1060] This is a mess.

[1061] No one's going to figure that out.

[1062] No one's going to stop that.

[1063] They're stupid as fuck, and they don't have to get smart.

[1064] They kill everything with their face.

[1065] They weigh 50 ,000 pounds apiece.

[1066] Right.

[1067] All right.

[1068] You know what?

[1069] It's time to throw an eraser their way.

[1070] Yeah.

[1071] I agree.

[1072] I think that's probably the case.

[1073] Eventually, we'll, you know, something like how dependent we are on.

[1074] just everything digital and electrical.

[1075] Just a simple, natural, naturally occurring, you know, electromagnetic pulse will just fucking ruin people's lives.

[1076] Yeah, one big fat solar storm that erases everybody's Kindle.

[1077] Yeah, done.

[1078] And go try to find a book now.

[1079] A hundred years from now, try finding a book.

[1080] Yeah.

[1081] Books would be like records.

[1082] It would be like trying to find vinyl today.

[1083] I make vinyl.

[1084] Do you?

[1085] Yeah, everything.

[1086] A few people do, right?

[1087] Yeah.

[1088] It's still pretty common.

[1089] We try to do every, every, there are only, a couple of things I've released with Pustrave it that haven't come out on vinyl to, because they were just digital, but pretty much everything.

[1090] Yeah, even, yeah, even the remixes we do, we'll do vinyl for it too.

[1091] Well, there's a weird push now for not even just a digital copy of something, but in the cloud to leave everything in the cloud.

[1092] Like, have you seen these new Google Chromebooks, they barely have a hard drive.

[1093] Yeah.

[1094] Everything's in the cloud.

[1095] Right.

[1096] You're accessing your data.

[1097] So, like, and I'm not, I'm not being like, you know, grandpa trying to, you know, hang on to his, you know, his beta Macs or A -track tapes for anything like that.

[1098] I mean, I honestly just like, I keep, when I download stuff off iTunes, I have, like, a hard drive and I just can't let go with the idea of, like, just deleting it all and getting it later when I want it.

[1099] Because, I mean, are we really going to watch those CSI in Miami episodes again?

[1100] Probably not.

[1101] probably not but you feel better if they're sitting in a metal box I paid for them so why don't I have them somehow near me I just I'm not willing to accept the idea that everything's in the cloud and that it's secure either that's the other thing I mean they want you to put all your photos in the cloud and contacts in the cloud that stuff I was like no yeah I don't believe think about it before you print this photo out fuck you what if I'm not gonna have this photo if something crazy happens like that and it's lost yeah I And also the latest revelations that the NSA tapped into the Google Cloud and basically accessed everything that was up there, which is, you know, Google's all pissed off.

[1102] But come on, you didn't see that coming.

[1103] You know, aren't you guys at the front of the line?

[1104] Don't you know what's possible or not possible?

[1105] Person of interest.

[1106] You've seen that show yet?

[1107] No, what's that?

[1108] What is it?

[1109] It's everything you're talking about.

[1110] It was a show that just started, you know, a couple seasons ago, like maybe the third season or third season, I think, now.

[1111] Ben from Lossus on it.

[1112] Oh, really?

[1113] Yeah, and it's all about him having been the engineer of this computer that was predicting national threats.

[1114] And it takes everything.

[1115] It takes every camera.

[1116] It will access any camera that's in the system.

[1117] The cameras on your phones, every microphone, and it puts together all of this data looking at all the digital information.

[1118] And it predicts, like, national threats.

[1119] and but the trick the whole trick of the story is like nobody really knows about this thing at all it's so self -contained that it inserts this information into into studies or when they're looking at somebody that was two weird people that was Ben from Lost and Jesus that's Jim Caviesel the Passion of the Christ that fucking nutty dude that dude thought he was Jesus is that Candy Alexander in the back no way Benjamin's Budd's mom.

[1120] Oh, okay.

[1121] Wow.

[1122] So good?

[1123] You recommend this?

[1124] It was funny because everything about what this show is, all of a sudden came out with all this NSA spying.

[1125] They're like, that's what they're doing already.

[1126] So this show is like kind of being a cutting edge thing, like going, oh, there's a super commuter doing all this stuff, and they're like looking through the cameras and they're gathering all the information, and all of a sudden you go, no, no, they're doing that right now.

[1127] Like, this is not a stretch.

[1128] This is not a supernatural show.

[1129] This is like actually happening.

[1130] Well, it went from being something that a guy like Alex Jones would rant and rave about to the reality of the day.

[1131] And it happened within like a month.

[1132] Right.

[1133] You know, I mean, everybody sort of just realized like, oh, shit.

[1134] Like everything you've ever emailed somebody actually is somewhere in a database.

[1135] That is the facts.

[1136] That's the world that we live in now.

[1137] This isn't science fiction anymore.

[1138] That off color photo you sent me?

[1139] Shh.

[1140] Dude, I told you.

[1141] that wasn't real what do you does that freak you out does this is what do you think this is going to lead to this this this this dissolving of privacy I don't know part of me says like I'm not I'm not really that important that I'm too worried about anybody looking at what I've got you know the government like sifting through my crap there's nothing there's nothing of yeah I agree in that personally but I also see it as something that's very different than I think what people are realizing.

[1142] I think everybody's worried about their personal privacy and people are worried about not just their personal privacy but the government being able to access their personal privacy and to be able to look into their photographs and read their emails and I get all that.

[1143] But I think that ultimately what we're dealing with is a dissolving of boundaries between people and information.

[1144] and that it's going to be some, there's going to be some breakthrough one day, whether it's some ability to read minds or some new way of connecting people, some new way of separating boundaries that's going to make this seem like a joke, that this is just basically one more step in this never -ending trend of a dissolving of boundaries.

[1145] And I don't know.

[1146] Yeah, I don't, you know, again, I don't know, The other side of me is like Don't be looking at my emails That's just my personal stuff And you have no There's nothing of interest there for you I think I've done You know I've done my part for society Why are you looking at my bung Yeah The I think You know the people that are doing it too That's one of the weirdest things Like this Edward Snowden thing When it came out It was They were trying to discredit him And they're like This high school dropout Edward Snowden And you're like, wait a minute, man. Didn't you guys hire him?

[1147] Like, you're making fun of him now, but this is your fucking employee, man. And he's telling everybody that he had access to everybody's email, not just encrypted, but could actually fucking read them.

[1148] It wasn't just metadata.

[1149] He could actually go and read your emails.

[1150] Right.

[1151] And he was a high school dropout.

[1152] Right.

[1153] Like, who else is working for you guys?

[1154] Right.

[1155] Like, who gets these jobs?

[1156] How do they get these jobs?

[1157] It's like the questions are just leading to this weird ultimate reality, which is that the trend seems to be across the line, this dissolving of boundaries between people and ideas and people and information.

[1158] And then eventually everyone's going to have access to everything.

[1159] It seems that that is the trend.

[1160] And again, I think that that's wrong.

[1161] You know, I get caught up in the idea of like, well, maybe this is supposed.

[1162] part of some you know this might be just our tendency to do things you know this is what we do to control people you know just through the ages power you know power wants more power but at some point you have to wonder like so is that is that choice and the the dominant you know whoever's in charge that's a tendency of whatever we are whatever makes us up is that an extension of what again going back to the marble is that what the marble wants right is that in some way is that is that is that consciousness just trying to sort some things out and take us to the next step you know what I mean I don't you know I don't I have no answers to that I'm just saying I guess I started asking those questions of like okay so what's the how would I you know if I was David Koresh how would I rationalize that perspective so think but think like a crazy person who you know comes up with some awesome rationalizations to just justify the actions and then try to go the other way like you try to feed like you know be more like the paranoid you know opposite defensive rack you know reasonably defensive a person who wants to be like wants to know why what the fuck do you need to see in my email I don't understand why that's important to you I try to look at it as someone who's analyzing the human beings as a complete alien outsider looking at us collectively as a group which is what we we move as a group we act as a group.

[1163] And I would say, well, look, here's this thing that works collectively to make technology, but thinks it's an individual.

[1164] They all think that they're individuals, but essentially all they're doing with their manic desire to acquire goods and to acquire material possessions, what they're really doing is just pushing innovation, because they need the biggest, baddest, newest, craziest, they constantly need the latest and greatest.

[1165] They're pushing for these innovations.

[1166] And these innovations are constantly within, you know, three, four, five months, the exponential increase of these things is making every new step far more powerful than any step before it, and it's, you know, happening faster and faster and faster.

[1167] It's happening exponentially.

[1168] And I don't even think the creatures even realize they're doing it.

[1169] The periods, as McKenna had put it, the periods between...

[1170] Novelty.

[1171] Novelty and normality are...

[1172] It's like a hum now.

[1173] It's not even a peak in...

[1174] Valley anymore.

[1175] Yeah, McKenna described it as a funnel that, you know, if you spun a quarter around the top of the funnel, it would take a long time to go all the way around the circle.

[1176] But as it gets lower and lower, it's getting faster and faster and faster and faster until it reaches what he thought would be a point of ultimate novelty.

[1177] But he thought it was going to be December 21st, 2012.

[1178] But I think, you know, he had a...

[1179] He's a dude, you know.

[1180] He's a guy.

[1181] Right.

[1182] You know, at the end of the day.

[1183] As brilliant as he was, as fantastic as his mind was, he's still just a person with an idea.

[1184] And, you know, we can, we grab ideas sometimes and ride those bitches right into the rocks.

[1185] But, you know, if you look at those beautiful chaos equations that kind of make those cool kind of paisley looking things, and you look really close and you see like, oh, the detail becomes...

[1186] Fractals, Mendel Broughts.

[1187] Yeah.

[1188] So, you know, if you look at that, when we get down to the bottom of that funnel and you're looking close enough, there's there's a deeper funnel.

[1189] It's just as much detail as the funnel above it.

[1190] And he might ultimately have been right in some sort of a way that December 21st, it might not have even been that exact day, but that era, the era between 2012, 2012, 2013, which is the era we're living in and experiencing right now, it might ultimately be this new opening for this new future.

[1191] And this, what we're talking about, where there's that TV show or the revelations about the NSA, that could be just the first steps in opening up this new door of perception this new door of reality right yeah we're living in strange times man yeah totally yeah makes and it makes you know makes a person when I'm you know trying to write songs or trying to make this wine or you know doing you know doing whatever writing doing comedy bits or whatever it almost makes it feel weird you almost feel kind of in an odd like self -conscious way of like what am I doing like you go to a show and you see like the dude up there dancing around in front of the people that are like watching them dance around and oh look at you dancing around it just feels so fucking weird yeah it's such a weird relationship of like like such a show and tell kindergarten thing and when I like when you say a word enough times it sounds weird yeah that when I look at that and I think about it like that like repeating the word to the point where it doesn't make any sense anymore that thing just seems so strange standing so and I'm gonna imagine like most people at some point in their career whatever there's they're doing they all of a sudden kind of go what the fuck am I doing what is this thing I'm doing yeah if you're like paying too close attention to ballet if you're locking into a ballet you can enjoy it if you're in the moment and you're just appreciating the movements but if you look at it too closely then you start to to step back and pull back and look at it in the perspective of this planet spinning a thousand miles an hour in a circle around this gigantic nuclear explosion.

[1192] And you're like, look at this asshole in tights, just throwing his body through the air.

[1193] This is so preposterous.

[1194] Yeah.

[1195] Like, why does anybody give a fuck whether or not you can sing the words to your play?

[1196] Right.

[1197] I went to my wife was taking Spanish or Italian rather and one of the things that she did in her class was they took everyone to an opera so we went to an opera and so we're sitting there with the rest of the people in her Italian class watching this opera I'm like this has got to be one of the dumbest fucking ways to entertain people I've ever seen in my life you're singing in this language that nobody understands it's everything is like everyone falls in love immediately so I can't buy it It's no reason why these people are in love with each other so quickly like this is ready to die like this is preposterous like this is made in an era when people didn't have books like they didn't they they they bought into this because they were dumb as shit But yet here we are you know 21st century and it seems absurd as and as it would if anybody coming here from some different you know Galaxy walking in and seeing you know a stand -up comic Or a band playing on a stage or a person like getting up so early in the morning to, you know, to make bread.

[1198] I know, that's food.

[1199] I guess that makes more sense.

[1200] About to make wine?

[1201] Yeah.

[1202] I mean, you know, you always kind of take that perspective like somebody comes to this culture and then there's this thing where you stick rocks in your ear.

[1203] And that's like, oh, there's better rocks than other rocks that you stick in your ear.

[1204] And then people start stumbling around and, you know, falling.

[1205] you know, bumping into a wall.

[1206] Okay, so you pick up a rock and you put it in your ear, and there's different kinds of rocks that feel different and give you different effects, and there's certain rocks that are really expensive and some that you can just pick up and stick in your ear.

[1207] But you just basically bump into a wall afterwards, and that's cool, right?

[1208] Yeah.

[1209] Okay.

[1210] There you have it.

[1211] Good luck.

[1212] Yeah.

[1213] It just seems so absurd.

[1214] When you kind of take the word, and replace them with, you know, other objects or things, you know, wine, food.

[1215] I mean, you know, food is food, but, like, singing a song, I was right.

[1216] Yeah, and there's some things that to the people that participate in them are life itself.

[1217] It's almost, you know, one of the things that I do, I've done since I was a young man, is play pool.

[1218] I play, I play in tournaments, and I play, like, out of just below professional.

[1219] level and to people that play pool no that's a weird word that only gets used to uh it only gets used outside of pool shark actually in pool is a negative term meaning someone who distracts you while you're shooting they try to shark you okay like if you were shooting I was like wait come on man you ain't gonna make this shot if I was fucking with you while you were shooting that's called sharking someone it's actually poor form and it never happens in tournament with the highest level guys.

[1220] They never do that.

[1221] But my point was that to the people in that world pools everything.

[1222] I mean, to watch the great matches going from tournament to tournament.

[1223] You know, nowadays, they're watching them streaming on the internet, whether it's through pay -per -view venues or whether it's through, you know, some people set up cameras at various tournaments.

[1224] But to a person who has nothing, no connection to that world, it's idiotic.

[1225] You're watching these, fools, the table never changes.

[1226] The six holes remain in the exact same spots, and it's just about which way the balls roll around.

[1227] Like, who gives a fuck?

[1228] Nothing changes outside that table.

[1229] I mean, this is the microcosm of microcosms, man. I mean, it's a fucking table.

[1230] It doesn't even move.

[1231] It's level.

[1232] It doesn't even move.

[1233] It's just a matter of balls colliding, and that interests you, but to the people that are involved, and it's everything.

[1234] Or a person who goes to that kind of process of self -discover you, you did something and that went in the hole you wanted it to go in and you had that positive reinforcement and that encouragement from that, you know, from that behavior, uh, then you follow it more because like you got some, somehow, some kind of accolades either from yourself or from someone around you, so you start pursuing that thing and it has more about your ego developing in terms of like the praise that you got for doing that thing.

[1235] Yeah.

[1236] So, you know, so you end up, you can see how things, get to that level, you know, watching your, you know, English footy.

[1237] I was never a footy fan until I had somebody kind of walking me through what was happening.

[1238] And then I recognized something and I was, you know, padded on the back for recognizing this thing that I still don't have any fucking idea what I was talking about.

[1239] But, you know, I'm watching it more because I want to see where this goes.

[1240] And you're like, six total goals, tops.

[1241] And that's like, that's what we're watching here.

[1242] If you're lucky.

[1243] Yeah.

[1244] but you know at the same time I you know now that I've got sucked into the rabbit hole I completely enjoy what that is and there's an entire like you know there's probably a bunch of English shoes right now outside of the studio ready to kick my ass for even mentioning that that that might not be something that's interesting you know like there's like a fury at least you didn't call it soccer I did not do that yeah I would not I would not go that they'll fucking scream at you it was football before football they have a point they do have a point but yeah it's it's that same thing it's like that seeking higher truth in in whatever discipline it is whether it's the discipline of football or wine making or music making or jokes or jiu -jitsu those those microcosms those worlds that exist sort of wholly on their own and are very difficult to appreciate by people standing outside of them it's a very fascinating aspect of of human beings.

[1245] So I guess going back to what you're asking about the, you know, the pusher DVD, how I can, the flexibility of everything that we do.

[1246] I guess that's, that's kind of what that is.

[1247] This is me and the guys that I work with realizing how absurd some of the things are that we do anyway with our other projects or with this project.

[1248] But we do it anyway because we're just really enjoying.

[1249] We're in the rabbit hole.

[1250] We enjoy seeing how far we can take a particular absurd obsession with something.

[1251] And that's absolutely, what I loved and appreciated about it besides the fact that it was funny and beside the fact that the music was good, I loved and appreciated the fact that I could tell that this structure was wholly your own.

[1252] This was your own, this is, you just decided to do it this way.

[1253] And, you know, I don't know if you saw some of the shows that we normally have table and chairs that we set up at the front of the stage.

[1254] Depending on the show, there would be different kinds of tables and chairs.

[1255] We always have some wine and some stuff on stage because we have friends that have either, that have either opened for us or coming down to see us or are actually playing in this particular band that while they're not doing anything, they sit down and have a glass of wine on stage and, you know, at the front of the stage with us.

[1256] And we've, you know, we've done a lot of shows like that where we've had, like, you know, two drummers and two bass players and a couple extra guitar players and then, like, that rhythm section just sits down for five songs and just having wine and cheese at the front of the stage, just kicking it.

[1257] And then they get back up and do it because it just feels more casual.

[1258] Even Karina Rano sing a couple songs, and I'll sit down and just kind of watch the show from the stage.

[1259] Is that something you saw someone else do, or is it just decided to do it that way?

[1260] I don't know that I've seen anybody do it.

[1261] I'm sure that has to have been done at some point.

[1262] But I just feel like there's a, and I've actually tried to, I've been trying to put this other show together with No Luck, where we have several bands kind of come up and do a very similar thing, but they play, you know, four songs.

[1263] and then they sit down and maybe there's some kind of segue where one of those guys just playing with that other band and then like a band does you know four songs or five songs and they sit down and the other guys come back up so you just keep rotating you know rather than doing your whole set and like here's who I am and this is what I do kind of you know just kind of you know do it almost like a very well rehearsed rehearsal you know yeah a very well rehearsed rehearsal like not the final performance but like like like a week before it.

[1264] A little glimpse into what it was, you know, a little bit of the chaos of those guys getting up there to do their next three songs.

[1265] And it's not like them in their rhythm and in their element of like, you know, start to finish.

[1266] This is our set.

[1267] Right, right.

[1268] This is more like, we're going to get up and do these three songs.

[1269] And then we kind of have to, and it's not like, you know, some guys have to get up, you know, full on boner to go do their set and, you know, do the whole thing.

[1270] And, you know, we fucking nailed it, man. Or whatever that is.

[1271] But just the idea of like getting up and performing those songs.

[1272] in a couple of ways and putting them and putting us in an uncomfortable unfamiliar environment that kind of helps us just look at it again and re -enjoy what we remember doing when we started doing it in a way so fuck yeah dude i'm working on that yeah i love it that's exactly it man you know if you could find that that's a that's a that's a honest energy you know that's a and an honest form of expression too because you know you're showing the whole thing You're showing the underbelly.

[1273] You're pulling the curtain back.

[1274] And then you're still...

[1275] But if done right, it's not necessarily the underbelly.

[1276] It's a show in and of itself that has depth and movement and passion and, you know, uncertainty and fear and all the real stuff that comes along with a movie.

[1277] Yeah.

[1278] Or is within the songs you're hearing.

[1279] There's all that stuff is built into each one of those stories.

[1280] Usually there's some form of conflict within that song.

[1281] That's why they wrote it.

[1282] Yeah.

[1283] And in seeing that preparation, it makes you appreciate the final product even more so.

[1284] Yeah.

[1285] That's badass, man. When are you, are you touring right now?

[1286] Like, what's, uh...

[1287] Just got done with Harvest, doing a lot of writing, um, training, jiu -suit.

[1288] Well, I was to, like, hurt my hand.

[1289] You say you sprained it, you think?

[1290] Uh, I had my, my coach in St. Louis fell on it.

[1291] That wasn't me. I was, I was going the wrong ways.

[1292] Totally my fault.

[1293] I was going the wrong way, pushing the wrong way, and I had my hand out the wrong way, and he went the other way, and, like, his whole body, like, landed on my hand.

[1294] I went, I could hear, like, popcorn.

[1295] Did you get an MRI'd or anything?

[1296] I just, this happened four hours ago.

[1297] Doesn't look that bad.

[1298] Yeah.

[1299] I think you'd be okay.

[1300] Yeah, I see some swelling.

[1301] Yeah.

[1302] So I had the poor guy on the plane.

[1303] I'm, like, using a puke bag to go, can I get some ice?

[1304] Like, icing my arm on the plane coming here.

[1305] Do you think the bones cracked?

[1306] I don't know.

[1307] I have no idea.

[1308] I had to come to do this fucking podcast Dude I hear you man I know what it's like I gotta get up in four hours Go to the airport Well I mean the good news is I'm getting I'm Kim Say is doing a tattoo Some tattoo work on me So I'm actually kind of out of the training game For a minimum of like a week or so Anyway because I gotta let the I gotta let the thing heal What are you getting done I'm getting more of my snaked My Arizona Rattler Oh wow Is this a guy who's doing this in California?

[1309] No, Kim.

[1310] Kim say.

[1311] Kim say.

[1312] You don't know Kim?

[1313] Kim's work?

[1314] No. How dare you?

[1315] How dare you a lot?

[1316] She.

[1317] She?

[1318] Yeah.

[1319] Where is she?

[1320] I'm going to forget the name of her.

[1321] How do you spell her last name?

[1322] S -A -I -G -H.

[1323] S -A -I -G -H?

[1324] K -I -M.

[1325] And Sean Barber.

[1326] Oh, wow.

[1327] She's a wild work, man. Fantastic stuff.

[1328] Yeah.

[1329] And so what town is she in again?

[1330] She's in L .A. Memoir.

[1331] That's the word I was looking for.

[1332] I was going to say heirloom, but that's my friends that make food.

[1333] Wow.

[1334] Memoir tattoo.

[1335] And where's that at?

[1336] It's in kind of the Hollywood area.

[1337] I think I'm Beverly.

[1338] Wow, she's got some fucking amazing work.

[1339] Yeah, she's got some skills to pay the bills.

[1340] And Sean's work is awesome too.

[1341] Now, that's another art form that over the last, say, two, three days.

[1342] decades has really come into its own in a very strange way that didn't really exist before.

[1343] Right.

[1344] And again, when you look, when you step back from you go, what are you doing?

[1345] You're drawing on yourself.

[1346] What the fuck's your problem?

[1347] Go fucking get, just get a pat of paper and you know, draw a little bit on it.

[1348] And then when you don't like it, you draw another one.

[1349] But no, like but, you know, but then I get caught up in the, and the, just the art of tattooing.

[1350] Like you said, it's just, it's come so far and just people are so passionate about it and do such good work now.

[1351] It's no longer, you know, it has Median devils and shit.

[1352] It's for real.

[1353] Yeah, I've had both of my sleeves done by the same guy, Aaron Delavadova from Guru Tattoo in San Diego.

[1354] And Guru Tattoo is one of those cool shops where they're all artists.

[1355] You know, they're all creating these weird pieces of art when they're not painting.

[1356] They're doing, or they're not doing tattoos.

[1357] They're painting.

[1358] When they're not painting, they're doing some guys sculpt.

[1359] Some guys, you know, they're fucking around constantly.

[1360] And this is just one more medium.

[1361] They express themselves in.

[1362] Right.

[1363] But the medium of tattooing, I mean, there was the tattoos of, you know, the 1950s and the 1960s, and they have no relation to what is being done today.

[1364] Well, in the U .S. You always had the, you know, the Japanese tattooing.

[1365] It's just like insane, beautiful stuff.

[1366] Insane, beautiful, and ridiculously fucking painful, because they're doing that tapping way.

[1367] That's part of this one I got done with that.

[1368] Oh, did you?

[1369] In Osaka.

[1370] No kidding.

[1371] So they did it.

[1372] How long does that take?

[1373] Didn't take much longer than the gun.

[1374] I mean, the guy was pretty, I mean, the guy was fantastic.

[1375] That was the chopstick tattoo in Osaka.

[1376] The guy was just.

[1377] So they used like one stick, they hold it there and the other stick taps over the top of it?

[1378] Wow.

[1379] That's pretty cool.

[1380] How precise can they get with that thing?

[1381] It's pretty precise.

[1382] Get in there, buddy.

[1383] yeah that's pretty bad I love the Thai style ones they're doing too like I'm gonna have them do a drag and I'm actually gonna talk to to memoir it's the number 353 what is that that's uh it's part of my wine story oh can you tell us the story no is a secret yeah really you have secrets it's a little NSA is gonna fucking tap in your email son release that secret well then the secrets out and so you had that guy do that with that tapping style?

[1384] Yeah, with the bamboo.

[1385] I think Tara Patrick had her whole arm done that way.

[1386] She's like this huge Japanese sleeve.

[1387] I'm pretty sure she had it done the traditional way.

[1388] Like the full, I don't know what the word is, that they do it.

[1389] It's funny, when you go to Japan, you can't show your tattoos.

[1390] I was at a gym.

[1391] I was in the gym.

[1392] Yeah, they made me cover up.

[1393] They told me I have to go back to my room and put a long sleeve shirt on.

[1394] And I couldn't train.

[1395] Because you're a fucking derelict.

[1396] Yeah, I try to let him know I'm not.

[1397] Yeah, that's her tattoo there.

[1398] I'm pretty sure that's done the traditional way, or at least part of it is.

[1399] Yeah, in the Japanese culture, that's not a good thing.

[1400] No. It's bad.

[1401] That's the Yakuza.

[1402] It's really interesting because they're the ones who created such beautiful, these beautiful full -piece body designs like that.

[1403] Those body suits that are actually just one long, flowing piece of art. That's the origin of that, but not respected in the country where it came from.

[1404] It's funny.

[1405] Yeah.

[1406] It's kind of fucked.

[1407] I got jumped.

[1408] Please.

[1409] So sorry, please.

[1410] What did they do?

[1411] Maybe put the robe on.

[1412] I put like sweatpants on and a top to be in the gym.

[1413] Where were you in Japan?

[1414] Which part?

[1415] That was in, I think that was in Tokyo.

[1416] Yeah, that's where I was, too.

[1417] They were not having it.

[1418] Mm -mm.

[1419] If you have anything on your neck, you have to wear a turtleneck.

[1420] Like, if you have tattoos in your neck, it's much more discriminatory than it is in America.

[1421] Politely discriminatory.

[1422] Yeah, they're very polite.

[1423] Very polite about it.

[1424] They're so polite in such a strange way.

[1425] It's a really interesting culture.

[1426] We went there pretty shortly after Fukushima, where there was this weird feeling of distrust for the government's assessment of the damage.

[1427] in the dangers and we were we had this long conversation with this taxi driver because he had to drive us from the venue all the way down to Tokyo and it's about an hour's drive and so he was he spoke pretty good English and he was saying that for the first time people are openly starting to question whether or not the government's being honest with them about yeah whether or not they can eat vegetables whether or not you know their ground is radioactive and their fish are edible right And I would have to agree with that That's starting to happen Yeah That's a scary fucking thing, isn't it?

[1428] Mm -hmm They might have ruined their country They might have to bail Because it could get worse I mean there was another earthquake just last week That was a 7 .3 off the coast of Japan Yeah Yeah, it was another one Didn't cause a tsunami But it could have I mean all it takes is The plates go this way Instead of that way And then wheeh, the water's coming Yeah And if it does, they're fucked.

[1429] Yeah, there was a beer that a friend of mine had at this local sushi place.

[1430] And I went in, I was like, hey, can I get some of that beer?

[1431] He goes, no. I said, what happened?

[1432] I said, all the earthquake.

[1433] So it stopped production.

[1434] He said, no, it's gone.

[1435] The family's gone.

[1436] The beer is gone.

[1437] The building's gone.

[1438] They're gone.

[1439] It's like, fuck.

[1440] Yeah, gone, gone.

[1441] Like, never coming back.

[1442] Yeah, you see some of the damage.

[1443] And by the way, that ain't shit compared to some of the fucking sumamis that they know have hit different parts of the world.

[1444] That's why I always laugh whenever I drive by Malibu.

[1445] I was in Malibu today, and I was driving by and I was looking at these houses that they have perched over the ocean.

[1446] And I was like, sleds.

[1447] Boy, there's no guarantee that's going to be there tomorrow.

[1448] Those are just sleds with us.

[1449] They're basically playing a long.

[1450] extended game of musical chairs and they know for sure one day the music's going to stop and their houses are going to for sure go flying out into the ocean but you're in Michigan we had all that snow you'd always have you know you could do bob sledding stuff you kind of just you know sled down the hill and that was when I see those houses that's all I can think of is sledding in the winter yeah well they'll get erased one day I guess if you're like way up on one of those bluffs you probably got a pretty good shot that's sticking around I've not I've not falling completely in the ocean.

[1451] But those things have massive landslides, too.

[1452] There was a couple of years ago, there was a news report where these people were waking up in the middle of the night, these horrible cracking noises, and they realized that their houses were sliding off the side of this hill down into this valley.

[1453] Yeah, it just gives out.

[1454] You know, you decided to put a foundation in the ground that decided to not be there anymore.

[1455] Right.

[1456] And it all just in giant, huge, 30, 40 acre chunks just slides down and takes these $5 million houses with it.

[1457] You hear it.

[1458] They're not worth $5 million anymore.

[1459] Not anymore.

[1460] If I may. I think you're correct.

[1461] And I think even if you wanted to reclaim that land, boy, it's tough to pinpoint where your house used to be.

[1462] Yeah, good luck with that survey.

[1463] Yeah.

[1464] Yeah, those dudes with the sticks looking through that hole, yeah, they're going to have to do a lot of measuring.

[1465] That was me in the military.

[1466] Did you do that?

[1467] That's what I did.

[1468] What did you do in the military?

[1469] We put in grid coordinates.

[1470] for, like, the tank batteries to pull in, and, you know, if you're going to shove a big missile in a tube and launch it somewhere, you have to know where you are and to know where it's going, basically.

[1471] So that's what we would do is we would put the survey points.

[1472] What branch of the military in?

[1473] Army.

[1474] How long are we in for?

[1475] Three, three years, well, six years total.

[1476] What year was this?

[1477] 82 to 85, and then reserves from 85 to 808.

[1478] Look at you, that's here.

[1479] Babum.

[1480] You handsome bastard.

[1481] wig.

[1482] That's just real, you know.

[1483] Did you get anything out of being in the military?

[1484] Yeah.

[1485] Discipline.

[1486] Yeah.

[1487] Just, you know, just, again, just being being responsible, responsibility, the ability to respond.

[1488] Yeah.

[1489] People that have gone through that, it's, it's, it's very interesting to see.

[1490] I had a friend who was a real lazy, and kind of shiftless and never got anything done.

[1491] And then went away, went to boot camp, came back, and this motherfucker always folded his napkin after that and sat up straight and got shit done.

[1492] And I was like, wow, they turned this dude around.

[1493] Like, they really did.

[1494] I wouldn't recommend it today because joining today, you have a high likelihood of either being forced to assassinate someone for the government or finding yourself in a position where you really wouldn't want to be.

[1495] and people are shooting at you that don't like Americans.

[1496] Unless it's your calling, I wouldn't really recommend it.

[1497] But, God damn.

[1498] For some people, it really is a game changer.

[1499] I agree.

[1500] Yeah, and not everyone can make it through it.

[1501] But a lot of guys that kind of washed out during that whole basic training.

[1502] What made you join?

[1503] College fund for art school.

[1504] Really?

[1505] Yeah.

[1506] Were you pretty convinced that we weren't going to go to war during those times?

[1507] Completely.

[1508] I was like, war?

[1509] You know, I just didn't believe it.

[1510] And then I got appointed to go, I got through long process, but basically got handed an opportunity to go to West Point by going to the preparatory school for a year.

[1511] And got to the end, like when I finally got my appointment to go to West Point, they said basically you have to four or fifth.

[1512] your Army College Fund to go to art school.

[1513] And I didn't really go in to be a career military person.

[1514] I kind of went in to get college fund so I can go pursue the arts.

[1515] But you know, but you're being, again, I was being, my behavior is being reinforced as far as my, the way I was excelling as in the military.

[1516] So it was very tempting to go, I could be an officer, let's do that.

[1517] And then you get, you know, I got to that moment where I had to, like, I had to make that decision.

[1518] In that moment, Basically, I had, like, three hours to check the yes box and accept my appointment or check the no box and, you know, go back into the regular army and then go back to and go to art school.

[1519] Wow.

[1520] I chose art school.

[1521] All right.

[1522] And if I had not done that, I would have provided I made it through West Point, which is not a guarantee.

[1523] If I had made it through West Point, I would have been in the first Gulf War as a lieutenant.

[1524] Wow.

[1525] That's fucking crazy.

[1526] Golf 4 -1, I think they call it.

[1527] I had a friend who's a cop and he was in the armed reserve, the Army Reserve for 20 years and had less than a month to go until he was out for 20 years and they shipped him to Iraq for a year and a half.

[1528] Come again?

[1529] Yeah, he was in the reserves and the reserves during the Iraq War after September 11th, they just started sending people over there.

[1530] You were under, contract that's it that didn't matter if you had a month ago during that month you were assigned a year and a half tour of iraq and he went not just once he went came back and they sent him again they sent him twice he did three years in iraq when he had less than a month ago damn and there was nothing you could do about it his whole life was thrown into chaos you know his relationship his job is everything gone yeah sorry you you live in iraq now you You're over there, you're a soldier.

[1531] I mean, he is a fascinating thing to watch.

[1532] Well, at least he made it alive.

[1533] He got lucky, yeah.

[1534] He came back different, though, I'll tell you that.

[1535] He came back, you could tell he had seen some shit.

[1536] There's no avoiding that.

[1537] I mean, he saw combat duty and wasn't planning on it.

[1538] So thought he was getting out, thought he was going home, thought reserve meant reserve, you know, thought 30 days meant 30 days.

[1539] No, no, it means two one -and -a -half -year tours, or at least all in total, somewhere around three years.

[1540] Do you like the beach?

[1541] Well, we don't have water, but we got sand.

[1542] Yeah, I don't know.

[1543] I guess there's good to be gotten from almost everything.

[1544] But for you, at least it was a positive experience.

[1545] I dodged, you know, quite metaphorically and literally dodged a bullet.

[1546] Yeah.

[1547] Wow.

[1548] That must be something you think about often.

[1549] But, you know, I could see, you know, I could see how I could have excelled at that and done well for, you know, done my part in that setting.

[1550] I have an aptitude for it.

[1551] And a lot of my friends are law enforcement and military, so I get along with them well.

[1552] You know, I also have all my, you know, crazy liberal friends that I get along with well.

[1553] So I think it just would have been, if it was a path that I would have chosen, I would have just done whatever I could do with it.

[1554] The law enforcement friends, I bet, understand your friendship with the crazy hippies and liberals, more than the crazy liberals, understand your relationships with the law enforcement people.

[1555] Absolutely.

[1556] Isn't that funny?

[1557] Yeah.

[1558] God bless them.

[1559] God bless them all.

[1560] The open -minded liberals.

[1561] Yeah.

[1562] Yes.

[1563] There's not that many of those, are there?

[1564] When it boils down to it, there's a lot of aggressive progressives.

[1565] yeah and I noticed that and you know coming from that background of being you know supposedly like the liberal Democrat it's pretty amazing well they have this idea and they think that it's right and they think that they should violently try to support that idea you know whether or not other people have that idea or not they think that their idea is correct and their ideas on the right side of history and so it's something to be something to be violently pursued.

[1566] Bo boom.

[1567] Yeah, but boom, I don't know.

[1568] I don't know who's right.

[1569] I don't think any of them are.

[1570] The truth is in the middle somewhere, right?

[1571] Yeah.

[1572] Listen, man, I got to go to the airport in, I think, five hours.

[1573] All right.

[1574] So, let's wrap this bitch up.

[1575] I just came from the airport.

[1576] Thank you for doing this, man. I'm glad you did.

[1577] I'm glad you did.

[1578] You mean, you literally pulled right up, the car's out front, and if people want to watch the DVD, how can people watch this?

[1579] It's coming out on the, I think, the 26th of November, the What Is Post -Afer DVD show Live in Phoenix comes out on the 26th, as well as the Perfect Circle box set.

[1580] And the songs from this, where could they get those?

[1581] On that?

[1582] Yeah, they're on this DVD.

[1583] It'll be released on iTunes.

[1584] I think, yeah, we're doing this separate.

[1585] You can actually get the live album off of iTunes, just the songs.

[1586] Beautiful, beautiful.

[1587] Go get it, folks, and follow on Twitter.

[1588] Pusifer on Twitter.

[1589] And there it is, right there.

[1590] DVD and soundtrack available.

[1591] What did it say?

[1592] November what?

[1593] 26.

[1594] As well as the perfect circle one as well, live at Red Rocks.

[1595] I know this is a good Sunday.

[1596] We got the documentary guys like him.

[1597] You can't talk to the camera.

[1598] Oh, yeah, I'm not supposed to talk to the camera.

[1599] No, no, I know, I know.

[1600] I keep forgetting that.

[1601] Did you live in character when you did this?

[1602] No, no, that was like, I mean, literally that was with Laura and me and that costume, we were like, that came out for the weekend of like, what are we going to do?

[1603] And Mike, her husband was like, just had a new camera he wanted to try out, you know, I think it was the Canon 5D or whatever.

[1604] It's just trying to like, you know, let's just get some footage, see what we get.

[1605] And we just did all that, and we went, did we just do that?

[1606] Like, no script, just kind of went, well, let's do this.

[1607] Let's do this.

[1608] And then, you know, went to, like, actually spent, like, two hours in Walmart grabbing stuff just for that day to see what we could come up with to come up with costumes.

[1609] That Halloween shirt and everything was just, like, on a quick trip to Walmart to see what we can come up with.

[1610] That was beautiful.

[1611] You're a beautiful man, man. God bless you and men like you.

[1612] Thank you.

[1613] Onward.

[1614] All right, folks.

[1615] That's it.

[1616] This ends.

[1617] We will put all the commercials on it.

[1618] Stick this bitch up on iTunes.

[1619] And we'll see you on Friday with Dan Carlin from Hardcore History.

[1620] Big kiss.

[1621] Mwa.