#957 - Cameron Hanes

[0] Stream in here.

[1] We got 6 ,000 people on this motherfucker.

[2] 3 ,000, 3 ,700.

[3] Really?

[4] See?

[5] That's what I'm saying.

[6] It takes a little while.

[7] Hey, and we're live, ladies gentlemen.

[8] We're live and we're live.

[9] This is the first time we've ever been live while also being live on Instagram live.

[10] I don't even use this shit.

[11] Do you ever use this?

[12] I have.

[13] I was for a while, and it was cool, but it's one way to get a lot of new followers.

[14] Because if you go to Top Live, which I'm sure you are.

[15] So who's ever live, it'll have Top Live with the most people who are tuning in.

[16] And so that's where you are right now.

[17] And so people who don't follow you, we'll see you on Top Live.

[18] We have 7 ,600, 7 ,700.

[19] That's good.

[20] 7 ,800.

[21] It's getting fucking crazy in here.

[22] Cameron Haynes, fresh back from Australian Outback where he's out there wrestling.

[23] See those reflexes, folks?

[24] That was good.

[25] It didn't even hit the table.

[26] It didn't even come close.

[27] That's years of jujitsu, years of trying to keep people from choking me. Yeah.

[28] My instinct's a little too jumpy.

[29] That's the problem.

[30] Too much quick movement.

[31] They've got to calm that shit down for bow hunting.

[32] Right?

[33] It's the opposite.

[34] You need the opposite.

[35] Nice and steady, baby.

[36] Yeah.

[37] See, bow hunting is pretty much the opposite way of thinking than jujitsu.

[38] Because jujitsu, you got to keep moving, try that.

[39] You got to constantly be protecting yourself and moving and trying to close the deal.

[40] Bow hunting is, like, steady.

[41] Yeah, it is.

[42] Dude, you're out there wrestling wallabies, I heard?

[43] Yeah, something like that.

[44] Jamie's ready to go.

[45] Jamie's, he was saying that.

[46] He was like, I want to wrestle a fucking wallaby.

[47] I don't think you do.

[48] We saw a dead one, and it has claws about that long.

[49] Do they really?

[50] Yeah, I mean, so you can imagine, and their legs are just obviously bouncing all the time.

[51] Their legs have just got to be jacked into those big claws.

[52] I mean, what I try to relate it to is, have you ever tried to hold down a cat, a house cat that doesn't want to to be held down.

[53] I have, man. Right.

[54] So, they have a little tiny claws.

[55] Imagine what a wallaby with those jacked legs and big claws you could do.

[56] Plus, it's wild.

[57] Wouldn't be good.

[58] I used to have a wild cat.

[59] I had a feral cat.

[60] Is that a walabie?

[61] Wow.

[62] You're cute little fella.

[63] Yeah, no. Whoa, look at the teeth.

[64] That's not real.

[65] Is that real?

[66] That's really his teeth?

[67] Jesus Christ.

[68] Well, look at the claws on those things.

[69] I don't know if it'll show claws ever.

[70] I can't believe they have teeth like that.

[71] Yeah.

[72] See those front claws?

[73] What the hell does the Wallaby eat?

[74] I figured Wallaby was like eating nuts and shit.

[75] Now I think they're murderers.

[76] Like babies?

[77] So it looks like a little kangaroo.

[78] Yeah.

[79] Oh, they have a kangaroo tail and the whole deal.

[80] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[81] They're just, they're very similar to kangaroos.

[82] Was that a real teeth, though?

[83] I think so.

[84] That wasn't photoshopped?

[85] Google Wallabee's teeth, because I just have a feeling that was bullshit.

[86] It just looked like a vampire.

[87] I feel like they're like the ugly stepchild of kangaroos because they're kind of more hunched over.

[88] I'm like, yeah.

[89] Damn, we're losing viewers.

[90] What?

[91] They're probably going on YouTube.

[92] Yeah, we're top live, but we're losing viewers like crazy.

[93] We're down to 5 ,900.

[94] We're dropping.

[95] Maybe I turn it towards me. Maybe that's a problem.

[96] Probably.

[97] When it's turned towards Cam.

[98] Oh, oh, we're jumping back up.

[99] Oh, see?

[100] Now we're up to 6 ,500.

[101] It is your page after all.

[102] Look at it.

[103] That can't be real.

[104] That's the one we're looking at right now is like vampire deer.

[105] I've seen those things before.

[106] Those vampire deer?

[107] That's a real thing, right?

[108] Those deer with those crazy fangs?

[109] I think so, yeah.

[110] It's real, but why do they have fangs like that?

[111] Like, why does...

[112] They're not predators.

[113] It's very strange.

[114] Did you see that, they found, for the first time ever, a deer eating a human carcass?

[115] A deer?

[116] Yeah.

[117] No, I can see that.

[118] Scientists.

[119] See if you could pull that story up.

[120] It was yesterday.

[121] All right.

[122] Folks, this is very distracting.

[123] Go to Joe Rogan.

[124] Live, and you can see this whole thing.

[125] I would read this, but here's the thing about getting older, folks.

[126] Your fucking eyes start to go.

[127] Cameron Haynes' eyes are still excellent, though.

[128] I've got to tell you, this motherfucker can see shit.

[129] He can see anything.

[130] Conspiracy theory.

[131] With the same age.

[132] With the same age.

[133] And his eyes, I don't know why my eyes suck.

[134] But my dick is getting bigger.

[135] I don't know what's going on with that either.

[136] No. Tip for tat.

[137] People would trade in glasses for a bigger dick, for sure.

[138] Show feet.

[139] What is that?

[140] People are so weird.

[141] Yeah, I know.

[142] Some of the people put, they put weird comments just to get you to read them, and he got me. He got me this fuck.

[143] All right, folks, I'm going to shut this off, and we're going to just have a podcast.

[144] Joe Rogan.

[145] Live, you can watch, we're streaming on YouTube until we make this big deal with Twitch.

[146] See ya.

[147] Bam.

[148] And live video.

[149] Do I save it?

[150] Done.

[151] Nope, didn't save it.

[152] Fuck it.

[153] You can save them?

[154] Yeah, there's a little thing up in the upper right -hand corner, but I didn't.

[155] I saw it right out as I was pressing.

[156] Mid -press.

[157] I was just not like, what's the big deal, you know?

[158] Don't know.

[159] I don't know, dude.

[160] So never before seeing deer spotted eating human bones.

[161] Makes sense, though.

[162] Like, they would just think it's like calcium.

[163] Calcium, yeah.

[164] They don't know it's a bone.

[165] It's not like they're like, fuck these people.

[166] It's just, like, finally, deer's eating people.

[167] No. But we've showed videos before of deer eating birds, like, because they eat birds all the time.

[168] they do yeah yeah like literally actively going after birds like they're falling out of nests really deer's like following it and the birds are trying to chase the deer off and the deer's like yeah whatever I'm eating that bird look at this so this bird this deer is the other birds they're like get out of there get out of there it's a button buck he's got these little tiny nubs and he's trying to get this ground nesting bird he's going to go through that past that tree and then the guy filming it see see the bird hopping around the ground So it's a bird that fell out of a nest.

[169] Oh.

[170] He's going to eat that?

[171] Oh, yeah, 100%.

[172] Yeah.

[173] It's kind of, well, he's chasing it.

[174] I mean, he's going after a purpose.

[175] What a predator is.

[176] Look at the speed.

[177] The speed that deer shows.

[178] But it just shows you how opportunistic live animals are.

[179] Oh, yeah.

[180] Wild animals, like something in that deer's body tells it to eat that thing.

[181] Hey, there's no compassion out there for animals.

[182] No. Animal and animal.

[183] Look at him.

[184] He's eating it.

[185] Oh, my.

[186] It's dark.

[187] Yeah, that's the way he goes.

[188] Life eats life.

[189] It's just weird to see a deer, for some reason, eat a bird and do it on purpose.

[190] Like, he's all excited.

[191] It's like, oh, yeah, this is great.

[192] He's good.

[193] There's a, some sort of wildlife thing, they were doing some sort of a survey, and they captured these birds with a net.

[194] They had this net set up in this area where these birds fly, just so they could capture these particular birds, but the deer kept eating the birds.

[195] and they couldn't figure it out.

[196] They're like, what is going on here?

[197] And then they watched.

[198] They had a video of these deer walking up and picking them off the net and eating these birds.

[199] While the birds are like, Jesus, I can't believe this is happening.

[200] Getting eaten by a deer.

[201] Yeah, you don't see that every day.

[202] No. But I'm not surprised either.

[203] I've seen cows do it too.

[204] There's videos of cows doing it.

[205] For the longest time, people didn't think that.

[206] They thought that, you know, those are just herbivores.

[207] Yeah.

[208] But no, nature's just set them up to be super slow.

[209] but if something really delicious is in front of them.

[210] I thought it was an Eddie Bravo thing.

[211] Oh, it's a conspiracy?

[212] Yeah, he came up with it.

[213] No, it's not an Eddie Bravo conspiracy.

[214] Eddie Bravo believes a lot of conspiracies, but he doesn't believe that...

[215] What is this one?

[216] Oh, what is that, an eagle jacking a bunny rabbit?

[217] Yeah, that's a deer.

[218] Oh, is it a little deer?

[219] Eagles are so ruthless.

[220] Wow, look at that.

[221] Bam!

[222] We can do this all day, folks.

[223] You got back from the real wild, man. Like where you were, the Instagram story.

[224] So Cameron Haynes and our buddy Adam Green Tree and a few other fellows were up there in the north country of Australia.

[225] Yeah.

[226] And you guys took over the Under Armour Hunt page.

[227] And it was epic, man. The Under Armour Hunt page, like the little Instagram stories.

[228] Yeah.

[229] I don't like Instagram stories.

[230] You know why?

[231] Because they're only 15 seconds and the little teases.

[232] I wanted you guys to be like live streaming from up there.

[233] Yeah.

[234] It would be nice, wouldn't it?

[235] But it was super cool where you guys were at.

[236] It was terrifying.

[237] Yeah.

[238] kept showing these brown snakes, these, the second most deadly snake in the world?

[239] Yeah, that's what I'm told, yeah.

[240] You saw, like, how many of them?

[241] Four or five?

[242] Yeah, but it only takes one.

[243] Yeah, and you're dead, right?

[244] I don't know.

[245] Well, second most deadly, yeah, it doesn't sound good.

[246] That's not good.

[247] No, and then there's, you know, big old spiders and crocodiles.

[248] Yeah, you guys saw crocodiles?

[249] Yeah.

[250] You even filmed crocodiles.

[251] Yeah, they were right where we were, you know, super.

[252] I mean, this is still not even their summer, but it's still very warm.

[253] I mean, where we were up Honey and Buffalo at the top end is what they call, which is out of Darwin.

[254] It was 90 to 100 degrees.

[255] So there's some film of, now this is a freshwater crocodile, which is not as big, right?

[256] Not as big or as aggressive as a saltwater crock, but could still definitely do damage.

[257] And this was, you know, mere feet from where we were sleeping.

[258] And this is where we'd go and take baths and, or just kind of cool down during the heat of the day.

[259] That's where he was right there.

[260] And how big was that guy?

[261] Oh, I don't know.

[262] Six, eight, seven, eight feet, something like that.

[263] I mean, you know, he wasn't huge, but he'd definitely do some damage if he got a hold of you.

[264] Did you guys see any of the saltwater once while you're there?

[265] No. No. So when you were telling me about this one pond.

[266] that was near you guys where you saw eyes at night and you didn't think there was it that was it was right there so the first night we saw the one just that one right there we went over there and videoed him and and checked him out and then the next night adam went down there to the creek and it was only about maybe 15 20 feet across just small just very shallow and uh he looked down and said there was like six sets of eyes red red eyes which is crocodile so and that was you know they'd moved in so Have you ever seen a live saltwater one in the wild?

[267] I think we did the last time I hunted there.

[268] But I'm trying to remember.

[269] Or maybe it was, I think when we were flying.

[270] Yeah.

[271] When we were flying, we saw him.

[272] Oh, because, so you have to take a flight from where Adam lives.

[273] Adam lives near Melbourne, right?

[274] Sydney.

[275] He lives near Sydney.

[276] New South Wales is what's called.

[277] And then you fly four and a half hours to where these water buffalo are.

[278] Yeah, and then last time we used a helicopter to get out of Darwin, and that was four hours in the helicopter.

[279] Whoa.

[280] And so this time we had a helicopter, and so we flew the country, kind of look at it, and we saw some pretty big crocs from there on the river system.

[281] So how do you know, like, where to stop, like when you're buffalo hunting?

[282] How do you know where to go?

[283] Well, I mean, basically it's however far you can walk.

[284] You know, I mean, you kind of get, we were walking, I don't know, I want to say, at least 10 miles a day.

[285] 10 to, I think, Adam and his guys one time, his camera guy, walked 18 miles one day.

[286] So we were just, you know, we were always, you know, 10, 12, 13 miles a day.

[287] So we're just covering country.

[288] Jesus Christ.

[289] It was hard hunting up there right now because this is their wet season or the tail end of their wet season.

[290] And so the foliage was really grown up, really high.

[291] thick so it was very hard to see the buffalo normally um later when we went it's all burnt up because of you know summer and so there's no foliage and uh you can see the buffalo from miles basically but with this grass the grass is in some places eight eight feet tall i mean you'd have to be 50 yards away to see a buffalo and they're you know 1800 1800 to 2 000 pounds so it's it makes it hard to find them and then it also makes it dangerous to trail them you know if you're blood trailing them or if you're even if you just surprise one um you know you surprise an animal that close a wild animal like that and who knows how they're going to react yeah that's a huge animal yeah and and with that grass it just you know as you know adam and i did a and the camera guys we did a podcast up there and we were kind of talking about the challenges of the hunt and uh that was a big part of it is um just not being able to see very much country and so So people never hunt Buffalo this time of year.

[292] This is like people say, why would you go?

[293] You're not going to, you know, nobody goes this time.

[294] When do they go?

[295] They go later in the year, you know, when there's not so much foliage.

[296] So they go like in their fall?

[297] There, yeah, it would be, you know, what last time I went is December, which is just before the wet season starts.

[298] This is the tail end of the wet season right now.

[299] So we're thinking about when we want to take you up there would be around November, October, November.

[300] Because you don't want to get stuck with the wet season hit because that's big rains.

[301] But you want it.

[302] And also it makes it easier to find the animals because there's not water everywhere.

[303] Right now there's water everywhere.

[304] So they don't have to be concentrated to get water.

[305] But later in the year, a lot of the water sources have dried up.

[306] So if you got a good waterhole, you know every animal's coming there.

[307] Well, so these are, for people who don't know, this is an invasive species of water buffalo.

[308] Yeah.

[309] An enormous Asian.

[310] And what is it called?

[311] It's just called Asian water buffalo?

[312] Like, what is the actual name of it?

[313] I think it, or, yeah, there might be an, yeah, I just call them Asian water buffaloes that, it seems like there's a sea in there somewhere, asiatic or something.

[314] I don't know.

[315] Jamie can look it up.

[316] Jamie can look it up.

[317] But it's such a wild, cool -looking animal.

[318] Yeah, yeah.

[319] They're big.

[320] They're big.

[321] And my bowl, he was a big old bull on a. We called him in using, like, a wounded calf call.

[322] Oh, wow.

[323] So this is what it looks like.

[324] Yeah, that's a female, obviously.

[325] It's typed in Asian water buffalo and that's...

[326] Yeah, that's it.

[327] That's what it looks like.

[328] Yeah.

[329] Go to Cam's Instagram page, and there's a picture of the...

[330] Yeah, there it is.

[331] No, that's Adams.

[332] Oh, that's Adams?

[333] Yeah.

[334] And there's yours is in the upper right -hand corner.

[335] But you only see...

[336] Yeah, right there.

[337] They only see the skull.

[338] Yeah, and then...

[339] That's the fucking head.

[340] People don't want to see that.

[341] What is he doing?

[342] Folks, that's how you make cheeseburgers.

[343] There's fine.

[344] There's only one way.

[345] There's another picture of it.

[346] I think when he's coming in right there, right above that, Jamie.

[347] Right?

[348] No. The one with the far left.

[349] Yeah, right there.

[350] That's him at full draw or that's looking through the riser of the bow.

[351] Yeah, so that's that bull coming in, aggressive.

[352] You can see his eyes.

[353] He was just pissed off.

[354] And that's he was coming.

[355] That's at under 20.

[356] 20 yards and he's not stopping.

[357] And so I shot him there frontal through the chest and had to, is almost like self -defense.

[358] Wow.

[359] So these are animals that if hunters don't go up there and kill them, they actually hire people to go up there than kill them, right?

[360] Yeah, they, I mean, these things have spread disease up there.

[361] I mean, they're a non -native species and they, any water source up there is ruined.

[362] Any natural habitat has been ruined because there's so many buffalo.

[363] So they just want them killed, basically.

[364] They're like, it'd be like similar to coyotes here.

[365] Except 2 ,000 pounds.

[366] Yeah, yeah.

[367] And no predators either.

[368] No, there's nothing else to kill them.

[369] And maybe a croc could kill a, you know, a calf.

[370] A small one.

[371] Right.

[372] But they just need, you know, and coyotes down here in North America don't ruin water sources and ruin habitat like these things, too.

[373] These things are just wrecking machines and there's, there's, hundreds of thousands of them up there so they ruin water sources for the native animals as well like all the other things anything yeah because they shit and piss in the water yeah yeah yeah well it's australia is so strange and uh as is new zealand in that all these people imported animals there in the 1800s and uh i guess even before was it when did they establish australia and new zealand i'm not sure i forget when they established see if you can find out when they established we talked about this recently with Josh Zeps, didn't we?

[374] But they brought in all these animals with no game plan.

[375] Yeah.

[376] They just let them loose.

[377] And then they're like, oh, Jesus.

[378] So in New Zealand, they have these beautiful stags, these incredible animals.

[379] And in some places, they have to shoot them out of helicopters just to control the population.

[380] Where for people in America, it's like unheard of.

[381] Like, how could you do that?

[382] Like, that's like an elk, like a majestic animal.

[383] You're going to shoot them out of helicopters and just leave them there to die.

[384] It's way different.

[385] It's, you know, up there, there's just not enough hunters because in all of Australia, they say there's, as many people as are in the L .A. area here in the whole country.

[386] New Zealand says it was, okay, the first European explorer to cite New Zealand was Abel Janzun.

[387] What a name.

[388] Jansun, Tasman on the 13th of December in 1642.

[389] But that's obviously just a European.

[390] People have been there for a long fucking time.

[391] Oh, yeah.

[392] And Australia was 1788.

[393] And shortly thereafter, then they started bringing in all these animals.

[394] The idea was that they were going to make it like a European hunting destination.

[395] Right.

[396] For rich people, the rich, what?

[397] Dushbags.

[398] Yeah.

[399] So they released all these animals, but with no predators.

[400] Right.

[401] Yeah.

[402] And so people were going to come over from Europe and they were going to go to Australia and hunt.

[403] Yeah.

[404] The rich people.

[405] And so I think they told me that it seems like it was in 1985.

[406] They were going to wipe out all the buffalo and they had some money funded for it and they were going to try to get rid of them.

[407] And they got halfway through and quit.

[408] They killed like half of them?

[409] Something like that.

[410] And then they quit.

[411] And so now it's just as I was saying, the whole country is about the size of the United States.

[412] You were telling me this.

[413] But I did know that the whole country has the same amount of people as live in L. LA here.

[414] So there's just not that many hunters, you know, a small percentage of them are hunters.

[415] So there's nobody to control all these number of non -native species.

[416] And that's from water buffalo to the fallow deer that I was hunting to stag.

[417] There's not as many stags as fallow deer.

[418] But all these species just, there's no measure for control, really.

[419] Yeah.

[420] And they brought in a bunch of other non -native species to, it's an exercise in conservation gone totally wrong.

[421] Because they brought in cats.

[422] to take care of certain animals and they brought in fox and then the fox and the cats are out of control and they kill all the ground nesting birds and now it's kind of fucked up to us here in America but people in Australia hunt cats like they hunt them the way and they hold them up like look I got one and yeah it's a cat yeah it's weird man it's like that's fluffy what the fuck yeah no I we saw a guy and he had a rifle and he's walking on the road there just he lives there you know i mean that's his home he's lived there his whole life i think and he was walking on the on the road and i went down there i had my bow and i's you know i said hey what are you after he's like oh i'm after a big black cat and i'm like uh like a just a regular cat he's like yeah it's like just a feral you know wild cat he's like yeah it's a black one though he goes and so there's a 10 dollar bounty on it that the the property owners around there had if anybody could kill this black cat is 10 bucks but they don't think anything about it because there's just wild cats everywhere.

[423] How weird is that?

[424] Yeah, it is.

[425] A bounty on a kitty cat.

[426] Well, people that have researched it in America, just in North America, cats kill somewhere in the neighborhood of three billion birds a year.

[427] Yeah, yeah.

[428] When they found that out, like, apparently scientists were shocked.

[429] The biologists were shocked.

[430] It's between one point.

[431] and three point something billion and that's not even counting like mice and rabbits and all the other shit they killed squirrels i'll never forget i had a cat that used to um i used to live across street from this park and uh i had uh this one male cat and he was just a murderer and uh i'll never forget watching him walk across this uh park with a squirrel between his legs so he was biting down the squirrel's neck yeah the squirrel's dead and the squirrel was his side was his size practically and it was in between his legs so he's straddling it and walking with it dragging it along so he could show it to me good kill oh he was super psyched that was awesome he's like dude look what I got it's like that's the probably a large percentage of his weight right there it was it was probably no bullshit at least three quarters the size of him yeah he wasn't a big cat and it was a fat fucking squirrel yeah that that probably would have been a nice battle it's just weird that cat versus squirrel cats are the weirdest animals animals, man. Because they're cool with us, but they're straight killers.

[432] I know, but the only story I remember about a cat, I can't remember where I heard it or who told me, but that, oh, maybe he was one of my cop friends.

[433] But anyway, if a, if a, like an old, say it's an elderly person that has a dog, they die.

[434] The dog is that people come and find the body and the dog's laying there with them, you know, just like a loyal, whatever.

[435] And if a cat, if they have a cat and they die, the cat eats their eyelids and lips.

[436] Yeah, right away.

[437] If you stop feeding that cat, the cat's like, look, I'm eating.

[438] And it eats its owner.

[439] Yeah.

[440] So that's really all you need to know about a cat.

[441] They eat each other, too.

[442] Like crazy old people, there's this one lady who was a hoarder, and she had a bunch of dead cats.

[443] She had so many cats in her house, and the cats had died, and so she wasn't feeding the cats.

[444] Yeah.

[445] The cats were eating the dead cat.

[446] man whoa yeah it's hard out there no it's hard out there Cameron Haynes imagine me a cat you live with a hoarder you like this bitch doesn't even let me go out yeah let me out I'll go kill some birds oh yeah that animals just want to be out and live that's what we need we need to be out and live I mean that two and a half weeks I was in Australia that was man I took two showers the whole time lived in a sleeping bag you must have smelled good what hey that's just how it goes That's what people are supposed to smell like.

[447] We couldn't even tell.

[448] We were just used to it.

[449] So, and I'm just for the viewers, I'm a clean, I take a couple showers a day, but, you know, when you're hunting, that's just the way it goes sometimes.

[450] Were you wearing wool?

[451] No. I was, no, it was warm.

[452] Oh, right.

[453] But like a thin layer of merino actually keeps you cool because you're sweating it and it regulates heat really well.

[454] Yeah, it was, you know, where we were hunting deer in New South Wales, which is outside of Sydney.

[455] it was actually cold at night.

[456] I saw you guys were walking on, like, frozen grass.

[457] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[458] The grass was covered with frost.

[459] But, I mean, at night, it was freezing.

[460] You know, I mean, it was like 32 degrees.

[461] And we were used to, we thought we were going to be hunting in 90 to 100 degree weather.

[462] So, yeah, it didn't, you know, when you're laying in a sleeping bag that's only rated to 40 degrees and it's 32 and sleeping on the ground, it's...

[463] That's rough.

[464] It's rough.

[465] It's rough.

[466] But you were saying that those deer were, like, super turned on, too.

[467] were like they were tuned in like they were very skinned edge they they've been hunted and uh you know they don't have lions like we have here that which keep the deer on edge you know because we have lions are just killers but uh um they don't have a predator like that but man it's just they're an antelope species and or it's uh they can see so well and so fast reacting it's just amazing what What are they, this is a fallow deer, right?

[468] Yeah.

[469] And what are they related to?

[470] I just said it right there.

[471] You said an antelope?

[472] I'm not sure.

[473] Once I said it, I'm like, are they?

[474] So don't quote me on that.

[475] We might have to look that one up too.

[476] But all I know is the reason why I said that is because they can see, I mean, antelope are notorious for having an amazing vision, you know, 10 times what humans have, apparently.

[477] And that's how these were.

[478] I mean, I don't know if the deer, an alope or whatever, but they can see extremely well.

[479] So they were seeing you from like a long ways out.

[480] Oh, you couldn't.

[481] I mean, there's this one buck I was stocking and I had a cameraman with me. And the key for stalking animals is always staying in the shade.

[482] If you stay in the shade and you got Camelon, especially if they're in the sun, you know how it is looking into, if you're in the sun, you try to look into a house.

[483] You can't see.

[484] So it's the same thing with shadows.

[485] So you always want to be a shadow.

[486] Well, we're 330 yards away from this buck.

[487] was stock and he was feeding in his creek.

[488] And we had this small patch of sunlight to cross 330 yards away.

[489] It's a long way away.

[490] And I told the cameraman, I'm like, we just got to get across here, just stay low and get, you know, hustle through there.

[491] So we hunched over and got in seconds we were through there, got to the shade, looked over at the buck.

[492] He's standing there staring.

[493] I'm like, are you kidding me?

[494] He's already, so we're in the shade.

[495] So we're in the shade.

[496] So then for sure we weren't moving i'm like don't move and he's just staring staring staring staring staring and i'm like don't move he's like i'm not i go don't move he's he's on he's just looking anything is going to spook him he's like i'm not moving and he was uh uh crouched down on his knees and so finally the buck like took a few uh um bites of grass and i'm like okay he's feeding next thing gone so all he did he took a couple bites of grass for the road he's like no I already know I'm out of here but I'm taking this with me and he was gone that was it yeah they're smart that's long rifle range and we had bows and it's just a barely this so and we have to get close with a bow and so you can imagine it just if that that one example tells you what it was like basically so we were talking about um different bow setups like you had brought two bow setups he brought one for deer and you brought one for buffalo So for people that don't understand, there's two different ways that you were going to approach this.

[497] The buffalo is a giant, heavy -boned animals.

[498] So you had a real heavy arrow, which is going to go slower.

[499] And those hours are just too slow for those deer.

[500] And the deer would actually move out of the way before the arrow got to go.

[501] Yeah.

[502] Yeah.

[503] Like Matrix.

[504] It was, you know, the thing with penetration with an arrow is weight.

[505] The weight of the arrow equates to more.

[506] penetration with heavy bone and you know that we talked about the buffalo 1800 to 2 ,000 pounds so you need something that hits hard well when you have a heavier arrow it's going to fly slower so those are flying at 245 feet a second out of my high poundage bow and I thought well good enough I mean these will be all right and I was shooting it so well I'm so accurate you know practicing out to 90 yards all the time shooting really well so I thought you know what I know it's supposed to be for buffalo I'm just going to use it for deer.

[507] So the first week there, I tried it for deer, and it was just like, these deer were seemingly 10 yards away by the time the arrow got to them.

[508] And I'm not talking long shots.

[509] And I'm like, okay, maybe there's just a fluke.

[510] Just a flu.

[511] So they would see it.

[512] Hear it.

[513] They would hear it, and they would duck out of the way.

[514] Or just be gone.

[515] I mean, just like be 10 yards away.

[516] So they would move out of the way before the arrow got to them.

[517] Yeah, yeah.

[518] And so finally, I thought, well, maybe it's just, and it was super calm there.

[519] So, so quiet.

[520] You know, I don't know, my bows are quiet.

[521] A heavy arrow makes a bow even quieter.

[522] You know, it absorbs that sound and the energy.

[523] So your limbs aren't just like that.

[524] There is more of like, thw.

[525] And, but it still makes a noise on a super calm, windless day.

[526] Especially when it's cold, you know.

[527] I mean, it's just that sound's going to get across there.

[528] So I thought, well, maybe just a fluke.

[529] Maybe the deer were pick something up, pick up some movement.

[530] So they were just on me and just whatever.

[531] and I'm not worried about it.

[532] You know, I'm not used to missing.

[533] I'm used to being very disciplined on my shots and taking high percentage shots at relaxed animals if I do my stock right.

[534] My goal is always to shoot an animal that has no idea I'm there, you know, so it's relaxed.

[535] And so that wasn't happening here.

[536] And I thought, well, maybe it's just because they're high strong and they were on to me. So, but the time where I decided, okay, these arrows aren't going to work was a wild boar was out there, big bore, 45 yards, okay, this should be slam dunk money.

[537] And I just, camera over my shoulder, he had no idea we were there, draw back, shoot, and he had, he was facing his head to the left, and he was heading back to the right, probably a few, feet away by the time the arrow got there i mean well i didn't even have to even i like shot and went oh my are you kidding me he's that gone that fast spun and just gone and so then at that time i'm like okay these this is not going to work it's so crazy because although there's no predators there the hunters that are there are out there all the time they don't have a season no there's no season so these animals are just tuned in they're hunted every day wow yeah and so and mostly rifle.

[538] So, I mean, they're used to, if they see somebody, that's like a danger because they've been shot out from, you know, hundreds of yards.

[539] So it's just, yeah, it was, it was challenging.

[540] But so I changed from those 245 grain arrows.

[541] And I thought, well, I need to shoot my, or not 245, 245 feet per second, that 687 grain arrow to a lighter arrow.

[542] And I thought, well, maybe this will do it.

[543] and, you know, is shooting 300 feet per second at that time.

[544] Did you change broadheads?

[545] Yep.

[546] Did you go to the trocar?

[547] No. Do you step with the solids?

[548] No. I shot with the buffalo, and actually, you know, it's funny.

[549] Actually, what I ended up killing the deer with, too, was, what were the, Magnus Stingers.

[550] And I also, but the expand, I had that expandable head.

[551] Do you remember that one that I used on the bear?

[552] Yeah.

[553] It was a...

[554] Gravedigger?

[555] Gravedigger.

[556] Yeah.

[557] What a ruthless name.

[558] That head, and that head flies so good.

[559] Oh, his money.

[560] So you use that as well?

[561] Yep.

[562] So when you're out there, man, like, so you're around Sydney, which is where people are, there's, those animals are hunted pretty, pretty regularly.

[563] But then you're taking that flight for four and a half hours and then the helicopter, and when you're in the area where the buffalo are, there's nobody out there.

[564] No, it's remote.

[565] That is a wild, wild place.

[566] Yeah.

[567] When you think about the size of Australia, the size of North America with the same amount of people as Los Angeles, but the area where you're at, it's like, that is as wild as it gets.

[568] Yeah.

[569] I mean, you fly those four and a half hours from Sydney to Darwin, and most of that, you're looking down at country with nothing.

[570] Nothing.

[571] No roads, no nothing.

[572] Wow.

[573] And that's a large majority of Australia is like that.

[574] And it's just overrun with Buffalo.

[575] Yeah, a lot of it is, yep.

[576] What a crazy place.

[577] Yeah, and we did find some, you know, some drawings up there too from the, from, yeah, I mean, old.

[578] From the natives.

[579] Yeah, yeah, from the Aborigines.

[580] And did you know that those were there before you went there?

[581] Did Adam know that they were there?

[582] The pilot knew.

[583] The pilot knew.

[584] Yeah, so we wanted to go see them.

[585] oh wow so are they in a cave like where they're on um the for the weather not to get to them it has to be on like the underside of a rock so where we went we filmed under there is like you could imagine people getting out of the rain there and they're huge boulders and they're getting and it's just a perfect spot just to stay dry and so that's if the rain was if they drew on a part of the rock where the rain was hitting obviously was gone but in these these areas they were protected so drawings were still there last time adam was here he talked about um some of the aborigines there and explained some stuff but when we went back to my house we uh we had dinner and we sat around talking and he told me some crazy stories about the the horrors that those people faced and how they had been wiped out like they had been poisoned like he went to this one cave and he found bones all through this cave he's like this is crazy there's like human bones and he's like children's bones He'd find children's bones.

[586] And then he had heard this story from one of the other aborigines that lived there that someone had brought food to all these people, all the aborigines there and just poisoned the food and just killed them all off.

[587] Yeah, it's fucking dark, man. It's dark.

[588] No, I don't know.

[589] So they don't know.

[590] They don't know who made those hieroglyphs or the cave drawings or whatever they were or when they did it either?

[591] No. No, they say, I put it.

[592] up on my Instagram page, and I saw some comments there, and they're saying that the more brightly colored, the older they are.

[593] Huh.

[594] But I don't know.

[595] I think the pilot mentioned 10 ,000 years old, maybe.

[596] I was just guessing.

[597] What fucks you know?

[598] I have no idea.

[599] How would you know?

[600] I think you just threw that out there.

[601] Yeah.

[602] How would you know?

[603] I mean, it's just.

[604] I'm sure somebody knows.

[605] I mean, right, that studies that?

[606] I'm sure there's probably a few people.

[607] Yeah.

[608] But it seems like when you think about the actual numbers, of how much land you're talking about, how few people live out there, and how many of those things are probably there.

[609] And also, one of the things that Adam was telling me that's crazy is you could have, the way they refer to themselves, like Aborigines, they call themselves a mob.

[610] Like, you know, instead of a tribe, it's a mob.

[611] And they're like, there could be one mob, and he said, there could be a mob.

[612] He goes, full kilometers away, and they speak a totally different language.

[613] Oh, right, yeah.

[614] Like, what?

[615] I go, how many languages are there?

[616] He goes, oh, hundreds.

[617] Yeah.

[618] What?

[619] Yeah.

[620] I go, so they can't talk to each other.

[621] He goes, nope.

[622] No written language.

[623] Yeah.

[624] They have different expressions for things.

[625] Yeah.

[626] Yeah, I heard that too.

[627] That's crazy.

[628] I know.

[629] I mean, it's really...

[630] I think it's like a tribal society, right?

[631] Sure.

[632] Yeah.

[633] That's just the way it goes.

[634] Well, it is like a tribal society, but it's also like you're...

[635] I mean, right now, there's culture and there's civilization that is linked to who knows how many hundreds, if not thousands of years ago, and it will go away because there won't be people that understand it.

[636] There's not someone who's studying it.

[637] And there's so many different versions of the way they communicate that it's just like you're literally watching history dissolve right in front of you.

[638] Yeah.

[639] Yeah.

[640] I don't know.

[641] It's, it's amazing to be in that country walking and hunting in the same that, that they have for, you know, however many years.

[642] And what did they hunt back then?

[643] Because this is obviously before.

[644] the buffalo came in before they brought the fallow deer i don't know just whatever wallabies or wallabies a native thing kangaroos and shit yeah yeah wow yeah but it was it was cool being under that rock and in envisioning them being there too yeah you know that long ago doing the same thing we were doing yeah that's that's that's a that's a real mindblower man it's just so fascinating thinking about that that particular continent of australia that you know Europe used it as a prison colony and England brought a bunch of people over there and go look you people are assholes stay here that was on there's an island off of Australia right that they used for that well they used Australia for that I thought I oh god what was that island I know we were probably an island as well that they still do I think that's what they take immigrants right right and they have to live there for a certain amount of time before they can come over yeah they have some weird immigration laws in Australia like of people that are or complaining about Trump wanting to build the wall, listen, Australia, it's way worse.

[645] And it's like a prison.

[646] Yeah.

[647] If I understand it right, it's like a prison, then they have to stay there for, you know, like I said, a certain amount of time before they're a citizen.

[648] Yeah, see if you can find that, Jimmy.

[649] Josh Zepts actually brought it up to us, and he was explaining how brutal the immigration laws are over there.

[650] They don't want anybody moving to Australia.

[651] They understand they have a good thing going on.

[652] Yeah.

[653] I mean, if you haven't been in Australia, it is lovely.

[654] Yeah.

[655] People there are fantastic.

[656] They're super friendly.

[657] They're really nice.

[658] And again, there's not that many of them.

[659] No. It's expensive, though.

[660] Very, you know, I mean, there was a, um, Amon, he, I think his house was like a two -bedroom house and four or five hundred thousand dollars.

[661] Wow.

[662] Yeah.

[663] Yeah.

[664] Yeah.

[665] It makes sense, though.

[666] You got to bring shit over there, right?

[667] Like they were saying the guy, uh, when I was in Sydney, um, the guy who was driving us, uh, was telling us how much cars costs over there.

[668] They cost so much more money.

[669] Especially like people like classic American muscle cars.

[670] And the guy was talking about how much like a 1968 Mustang was worth.

[671] Yeah.

[672] And he's like, it's probably worth twice what it's worth in America.

[673] Yeah, because they have to ship them over there.

[674] What they have over there, which is sweet, was a Toyota high -lux diesel trucks.

[675] Those are pretty sweet.

[676] What is it?

[677] It's just a Toyota.

[678] Like a tundra?

[679] Is it like a tundra?

[680] It's like a, they call it a Ute.

[681] That's a pickup.

[682] Oh, like a utility.

[683] vehicle?

[684] I don't know.

[685] Yeah.

[686] I don't know.

[687] I'm just trying to use learn the lingo, but a Ute is a pickup and it was a Toyota high -lux diesel.

[688] And is this what Adam was driving around in?

[689] No. I can't remember what his is.

[690] There it is right there, huh?

[691] Yeah.

[692] That's a, okay, so it's like a flat bed.

[693] Yeah.

[694] Hmm.

[695] I'm not sure what Adam, maybe Adam has that.

[696] I can't remember now.

[697] One of the things I thought was weird when I was there was how many people have snorkels on their trucks yeah yeah that one right there yeah that's driving through water well it's not just water it's also dust oh really they're explaining to me that dust chokes up your air filters so they have those things way up high so that it uh when the engine's getting the air like apparently it mitigates a lot of the dust because a lot of the dust is like uh headlight high yeah when you're driving and that gets you a little bit more clear air okay well that's out of my wheelhouse I know bohunting and right well you knew the name of it No, I just noticed because they're cool.

[698] Well, whenever you go to, like, Africa or whenever you go someplace that's fucking brutal, you see a lot of Toyotas.

[699] Yeah.

[700] Toyotas know how to, they know how to make a car that last.

[701] They do, they do, but they're not, I mean, here, it's just like, you know, Ford, Chevy, you know, I don't know.

[702] Because we like American stuff.

[703] I guess so, yeah.

[704] But still, you still see a lot of, like, old land cruisers.

[705] Yeah.

[706] I mean, how many FJ land cruises do you see?

[707] There, where we were on, in the outback driving around.

[708] Everybody has those.

[709] Yeah.

[710] Every person has a truck set up like that.

[711] Well, I guess you have to.

[712] Yeah.

[713] If you realize after time, like, this is the only thing that makes it.

[714] Yeah, because Adam was saying when he drives from Sydney to Darwin, you know, we took a four -and -half -hour plane flight, but it's three days.

[715] So you have to have, your rig has to be.

[716] Bulletproof.

[717] Yeah.

[718] Yeah.

[719] Yeah, they have an expression.

[720] You could take a range rover into the bush, but you need a land rover to get out of the bush.

[721] Is that right?

[722] Yeah.

[723] They just, those Toyotas, it's just, it's kind of crazy how well they last.

[724] You know, when you really think about, like for the longest time, America did a real shit job of making cars that last.

[725] There was a period in American cars from like the 1970s till, I think till probably like the late 90s or 2000, they finally got it right.

[726] Now we make very dependable cars as well.

[727] But for the longest time, we were making dog shit.

[728] Well, I don't know about all that, but I do know we're going to go up and do that hunt, me, you, and Adam, and we're going to do a Netflix special.

[729] That's the plan.

[730] Netflix doesn't know this yet.

[731] Why, why Netflix?

[732] What makes you?

[733] Well, what should we do it?

[734] Well, it's a good move.

[735] It's a good move.

[736] Doing something on the internet.

[737] Yeah, I wanted to be like an hour -long documentary -style hunting film, giving back, you know, killing Buffalo, taking the meat back to.

[738] the community.

[739] To the natives.

[740] Yeah.

[741] Yeah, to Aborigines.

[742] Yeah, that's what I envision.

[743] That sounds like a great idea.

[744] It could be, certainly, it could be done on Netflix, or it could be done, and you could just put it online.

[745] Yeah.

[746] That could be just as, I mean, Netflix is awesome, for sure, but there's some people that don't have Netflix.

[747] Everybody has an online connection.

[748] Yeah, my, my goal is to sort of use you because people, because I want to, I want to, I want I want hunting to be shown in the light that I know it to be, which is hard work, respect for the country and the animals, and giving back.

[749] So with you involved, more people care about it, right?

[750] And we want to have you involved because we like hanging out with you.

[751] And like, well, I was explaining this to Adam too.

[752] When we did my podcast up there in the bush, it's like, ever since i've hunted way back when roy moved to alaska and i was left hunting the wilderness on my own i loved it so much i kept wanting to find somebody who would love it as much as i so i could say look how awesome this is isn't this awesome and i kept taking people there and trying to convince them how awesome it was it wasn't awesome for them so it was like but you want to share something that impacts you so much with other people who appreciate it.

[753] So that's why that's what I was saying when Adam I were talking is that, you know, you love bow hunting.

[754] And so that's when you are so interested and invested in something, have such a passion for something, there's nothing better than when somebody else shares that passion, right?

[755] Yeah.

[756] So that was, that was why there's a few different reasons why you were going to be involved.

[757] Thank you.

[758] I'm excited about that but I also think the difficulty factor is what turns people off.

[759] I don't think they expect it to be so difficult.

[760] No, no, no. If you try to introduce bow hunting to people, first of all, just shooting a bow, people think, oh, well, you pull the string back, you point at the spot, you let it go.

[761] Good luck with all that.

[762] It takes fucking years.

[763] It takes years to get competent with a bow.

[764] And I remember when you first started showing me how to shoot when we first shot in my backyard and uh i i immediately recognized i think like after first of all you had a 90 pound bow which i definitely shouldn't have been pulling back my shoulder was fucking killing me after the first hour i remember like this takes you got to build up to this goddamn thing but then i remember thinking like to be accurate with this like i just went down a rabbit hole yeah i'm like i just took my first step down a crazy rabbit hole and who knows where it leads because this is not easy No. And I have a very addictive personality.

[765] Yeah.

[766] And I need to figure out ways to channel that addiction in positive ways because I can get lost doing things that are not good.

[767] So bow hunting and archery itself, to me it seemed like, okay, this is a discipline, it's a worthy pursuit, it's fascinating, and I'm very, very interested in it.

[768] Yeah.

[769] But for a lot of people, I think it's very daunting.

[770] Like, I don't think they realize it.

[771] People think of hunting as like Elmer Fudd.

[772] Like, you know, you go out there or they see some hunting scene in a movie where there's a bunch of rednecks and they're fat and they're sitting in a tree stand or something like that.

[773] And they think it's easy.

[774] And they think it's a bunch of people that are just killing animals and they don't care.

[775] And then when you actually go out and do it, especially if you go do it with a person like you, you understand what this thing really is.

[776] And what it really is is this incredibly difficult pursuit that takes immense amounts of heart.

[777] work and dedication, and you've got to be in fucking shape for it.

[778] Yeah.

[779] And this is something that people are starting to realize now.

[780] Right.

[781] And I think you're a big part of this.

[782] And over the last few years and all the platforms that you've gone on to tell your story is that people understand that big game hunting in the West, in the Western -style hunting, elk and mule deer, the type of stuff that you love to do is very, very difficult.

[783] It is a combination of athletic.

[784] of extreme endurance, of hiking, outdoorsmanship, survival skills, and then the knowledge of hunting.

[785] And then you have to be a good shot on top of all that.

[786] You have to know archery.

[787] Yeah.

[788] Then you have to be able to keep, you know, when that adrenaline hits, when all of a sudden, and that's what's hard is people have invested so much into it and they've been thinking about the crunch time for so long that when it happens, it's too much.

[789] Yeah.

[790] And so it's really hard when you've been thinking about the crunch time for so.

[791] thinking about something for years, potentially, or at least all year, you know, that, oh, here's my chance, here's my chance, and then you get it and you're not ready.

[792] Yeah.

[793] Because it's just too much to, it's so hard to stay calm.

[794] Well, it's also something that you need to do a bunch of times until you understand it.

[795] Yeah.

[796] It's like, I try to explain to people about, we were talking about fighting earlier.

[797] We were talking about when, if someone has never fought before and never competed before, the scary thing is not really what's nerve wracking is not the actual fighting itself once the fighting starts you're actually kind of like just in the zone and you're just doing it I mean you might be intimidated especially if you're fighting a guy like Mike Tyson or Anderson Silver or something like that you're going to be shit in your pants but the real terrifying stuff is the buildup the lead up and that's kind of the same thing with hunting it's the moment before the shot it's your adrenaline is pumping it's like if you had to shoot an eight ball across the table long shot and your life was on the line it's almost like that and you don't get any warm -up shots yeah there's no warm -up shots just all the sudden here's just one shot for all the marbles and you got to stay calm oh and the animal might be moving yeah like oh well fuck no it's I was saying that on this last hunt it was you know we had me Adam and Remy Warren and supposedly we're supposed to be pretty good hunt The best of the best.

[798] And we were struggling to get something killed.

[799] And I was just like, imagine how frustrating this would be for somebody a new hunter.

[800] I mean, it's no wonder people try to bow hunt and then just be like, are you kidding me?

[801] This is impossible.

[802] And it's, but it's that challenge.

[803] Anyway, it's that whole journey, which is why I want to do that special.

[804] Yeah.

[805] And I want to share all that's positive about hunting.

[806] To as many people is, you know, and we are reaching new people these days, you know, I mean, hunting, it's in the crosshairs and some aspects, I guess, but we're also, other people are getting, because I get, I mean, I went to an archery shop up there, Benson's archery in Sydney, and we just had a few hours notice saying, hey, Adam and I are going to stop by, swing by, and quite a few people came.

[807] I mean, it was surprising how many people showed up.

[808] But a lot of them were vegetarians, you know, six months ago, listened to your show.

[809] A lot of people told me, oh, I found out about you from Joe Rogan, or I didn't hunt, or I didn't even eat meat.

[810] And all these different stories, all these different from all these different areas.

[811] So we are reaching new people.

[812] And I want to make sure our message, the one of respect and reverence and appreciation for everything out there and for survival and for just, you know, Outside of the life outside of the city, I want that shown in a way that I know we would.

[813] And so that's why I'm selfishly want this to be a big thing just because I'm sick of hunting, you know, the Elmer Fudd thing.

[814] You know, I see, I was watching a movie the other day and they showed a hunter and was like the girl was on there and she was, oh, what was that?

[815] There's three girls that were kidnapped and one of them had hunted as a younger girl.

[816] And so she was like, do you know what movie that is?

[817] Anyway, so she had the upper hand.

[818] She was tougher and she was more prepared because she had been a hunter.

[819] And I'm like, oh, that's cool.

[820] But then they show her as a little girl hunting and her perverted uncle had molested her hunting, drinking beer.

[821] Oh, God.

[822] This is that movie Split.

[823] Split.

[824] Yeah.

[825] That's what it was.

[826] So the hunter in there was some child molester.

[827] I'm like, why?

[828] It's the most misunderstood and misrepresented discipline, I think, that we have here in America.

[829] And it's so confusing to people because when we think of food, we think of restaurants and we think of supermarkets.

[830] We don't think of wild animals.

[831] And the connection that people feel like they don't have with their food is one thing that comes up all the time lately.

[832] So people are constantly looking for these farm -to -table places.

[833] Yeah.

[834] Like, there's a farm -to -table place out here called Peddler's Fork.

[835] It's a really good place.

[836] They have great eggs.

[837] Like, you get the eggs.

[838] They're, like, real dark yolk.

[839] Yeah, yeah.

[840] The food is all grass -fed beef or from a farm that they have a connection to, and they buy the meat from the farm.

[841] There's a lot of that, these farm -to -table places, where these restaurants have a great relationship with the people that actually grow the food.

[842] So everything's organic.

[843] They know where it comes from.

[844] Yeah.

[845] And people are super connected to that.

[846] They love the idea of that because factory farming is kind of freaking people out.

[847] Yeah.

[848] And for the longest time, it was happening without us knowing.

[849] You know, I think during the 80s and the 90s, it was all going on and no one understood it.

[850] Right.

[851] Yeah.

[852] So now people are becoming more aware because of the Internet, because of information, and they're becoming more aware of where their food comes from.

[853] And you're also seeing a higher number of people that their response to this factory farming thing is, is, well, hey, I'll go vegetarian or, hey, I'll go vegan.

[854] And before I hunted with Rinella, that was my thought.

[855] I was like, I don't want to participate in factory farming.

[856] So what am I going to do?

[857] I'm going to do one of two things.

[858] I'm going to either go hunting.

[859] I'm going to hunt for my own food because I knew there's something wrong.

[860] Yeah.

[861] I'm like, it's too easy to just get a steak.

[862] I would always, like, pick up a steak, and I go, this isn't being an animal.

[863] Like, here I am at the supermarket.

[864] Now it's a styrofoam container wrapped in saran wrap.

[865] Like, this is fucking weird.

[866] Yeah.

[867] It's weird that you could just do this.

[868] so my thought was if I shoot an animal and I hate it like I didn't know how I was going to feel I never shot I've fished all my life yeah I never but when I shot that deer and I was like I can I get it I get it yeah I mean it was an extreme amount of respect it's on video I mean you can see it on media or yeah anybody wants to watch it you could watch it online the first time I ever shot a deer it was intense yeah you know and and then cutting it up and eating it that night I was like well this makes sense yeah this is a and then when you actually find out that, you know, that these animals, the money that come from hunting tags and even from buying hunting gear.

[869] There's a percentage of money that goes towards conservation.

[870] And this is all very carefully thought out by people like you.

[871] Yeah.

[872] And by these people that really respect and care for these animals.

[873] Yeah.

[874] And you get deeper and deeper into this and you understand what it really is.

[875] And then you see this whole community of these people like yourself and Remy Warren and these hardcore hunters that are also, like, deeply connected to the land and conservation and deeply appreciate these animals.

[876] And this is how they get all their meat.

[877] Yeah.

[878] This is how they live.

[879] And, like, that was extremely appealing to me. Yeah, it's a, I think Steve Ronella has done a great job making, getting that message out in a, in a perfect way, really.

[880] I mean, he's a great spokesman.

[881] And his show, I used to watch his show before Meteor.

[882] Now I can't remember what it was called.

[883] The Wild Within.

[884] is that what it was yeah yeah okay and i remember he had just something about him and then i'm like okay this is different i liked i was a hundred you know i've been a hundred myself my whole life but his his portrayal was different than what we'd seen before and so you know maybe the me and some of the other people you've mentioned and adam have just carried that on and and tried to do a good job of educating people who don't know any better and i just you know you know and i just you know it's like I wish everybody could be out there I mean that last day we were up up in the mountains there after I had killed my deer and we had a backstrap so we're picking up camp getting everything away but I had I had a awesome fallow deer backstrap which is like the prime for people don't know it's a prime cut and I cut it all I cleaned it all off every piece of anything that was on it, hair, if there's any tree bark, anything that was on there, it was just a perfect, clean piece of meat.

[885] I sliced it all up.

[886] We got a green stick to put it on, skewered it on a green wood.

[887] So if it's dry wood, the wood's just going to burn.

[888] And so, you know, you can't cook on that.

[889] So it's got to be green.

[890] And we put it over the fire there.

[891] And it was, we seasoned it it was so good it was probably some of the best meat i've ever eaten and standing around the campfire just pulling that off that that stick that we had cooked it over the open flame was i wish everybody could know what that was like to know that that deer just previous to that was alive in the woods we harvested them which is aka killed him and then ate him and that's that circle of life or whatever you want to call it or just that moment, that's, I wish everybody could experience it because I just think they'd have a different take on hunting and hunters and being self -sustaining.

[892] It's very different.

[893] Meat is very different when you've killed it yourself.

[894] It's impossible to describe without experiencing it.

[895] I mean, I could try, I could give it my best shot, but I'll fall short.

[896] But I remember eating that meat that we ate when I was in Montana with Ronella, the first hunt.

[897] And it was so delicious.

[898] And we're cooking it over a campfire, and Steve had brought this little grill, not a grill like a grate, you know, that we'd set down over the fire.

[899] Yeah, Adam has that deer.

[900] And it's like, like if you buy a steak and you cook it, it's great, taste good.

[901] Like, oh, this is good steak.

[902] This is nice.

[903] But there's no connection there.

[904] No. None.

[905] When you are eating an animal that you killed yourself and it's difficult to do and you were hard hunting for many, many days where you got that deer.

[906] Yeah.

[907] So there's this intense respect and connection that I think we all, I mean, we harp on about it so many times that people listen to these podcasts.

[908] You're like, Jesus Christ, you guys stop talking about how awesome hunting is.

[909] Yeah.

[910] It's because it's impacted both of us in a very, very positive way.

[911] In a very, there's a primal, genetic sort of ancestral thing that's happening when you hunt.

[912] Yeah.

[913] There's some lights that go off that you didn't even know we're there.

[914] Like, oh, I didn't even know there's a switch over there.

[915] Yeah.

[916] And like, oh, this is a part of my brain that's lit up that it was never lit up before.

[917] Yeah.

[918] And it's not what everybody thinks, the negative aspects.

[919] It's not a barbaric thing.

[920] It's not a cruelty thing.

[921] It's a very respectful thing.

[922] Yeah.

[923] And I understand the people that have bad feelings about it.

[924] I understand the people that look at it like animal cruelty.

[925] Like, you don't have to do that.

[926] You can get food other ways.

[927] You can eat beans and you don't need to do this.

[928] Yeah.

[929] I understand how they're thinking, but my thought process is very different.

[930] My thought process is what you're doing, what I'm doing, what all these people that do that hunt is you're entering into the wild.

[931] And you're for a small window, a week, or whatever it is, you're becoming a part of this crazy cycle of nature.

[932] You're taking something out of that and leaving something as well.

[933] You're spending a ton of money, that money, whether it's the money for the outfitters, the money for the tags, the money for the, you know, gear, all that stuff.

[934] Percentage of that goes to make sure that the habitat is maintained, make sure that the animal population is maintained, make sure that Department of Fishing Game is well -staffed with biologists, with people that are monitoring these animals.

[935] Because guess what?

[936] If that doesn't get done, these animals are not going to be there anymore.

[937] They're not going to be taken care of.

[938] And North America has the best wildlife management program or management system of anywhere.

[939] And that's why almost all the species that we have here, there's more now than there almost ever has been, and even with shrinking habitat, because we're encroaching on where they live.

[940] But we're still, the number still flourish because we're not, hunters aren't just, oh, let's go kill, wipe them all out.

[941] I mean, we're, it's managed.

[942] Fish and Game is managed.

[943] They're funded by hunters and what we pay with the tags and license.

[944] And so it's, there's a system to it.

[945] But at the end of the day, like there in Australia, we were getting up in the morning out of the sleeping bag, grabbing our bow and taking off.

[946] We're hunters.

[947] That's it.

[948] And that feels, man, it feels, like I said, I wish people could know what it feels like because I see people comment on my social media and they say, this is in the 19th century anymore.

[949] You don't have to be a Neanderthal or whatever.

[950] But it's just we are hunters.

[951] Yeah, well, most of those people have cheeseburgers on their Instagram page.

[952] which is fucking hilarious.

[953] There's so much of that.

[954] Just one chick, she posted something mean when I posted a picture of some elk that I was cooking.

[955] And I said, hey, honey, I go, you got, I like to call girls honey because it makes them feel like I'm a sexist.

[956] You got a fucking BLT on your page, sweetie.

[957] And she's like, well, that was just from four months of go before I was enlightened.

[958] I'm like, oh, you became enlightened.

[959] It's always the most adamant vegans, like just became one.

[960] like the most proselytizing, ruthlessly aggressive ones.

[961] I understand where they're coming from.

[962] And I think that's very important to get our message across.

[963] Is that like, we're not animal haters.

[964] This is not, and it's hard for people to understand that someone could love animals and love the idea of animals and love wildlife but still eat them.

[965] Yeah, you know, I always, I climbed up in this tree there.

[966] I found this place where the deer were coming into this field.

[967] And like I said, this area had been hunted, but I had figured nobody had ever hunted out of a tree there, you know, not like a white tail back here, you know, in the east or in the south that get trees down hunted all the time.

[968] So I'm like, well, I think I can get up in this tree.

[969] These deer coming out in this area, I probably have a pretty good chance.

[970] So I was up there in the tree.

[971] And these does and fawns were out in the field, and they were running around chasing each other playing.

[972] I mean, it was just like speeding all around in circles.

[973] and bumping into each other.

[974] And it was cool to see.

[975] And then a dough and a spike, a young buck came out right under my tree.

[976] The spike was 24, 25 yards away, basically a chip shot with a bow, especially had no idea I was there.

[977] And there was a thought that we were getting low on meat in camp.

[978] And I hadn't killed a deer.

[979] So, you know, I had said before, I'm like, I'm killing any buck that comes out, I'm, I'm I'm taking him.

[980] And then I was watching them up there and I'm just like, I just, you know, for me, it's got to be the right animal.

[981] It's not just like I'm not some bloodthirsty, you know, I still watch the deer.

[982] I still appreciate their beauty and that, you know, they're frolicking about or whatever you want to call it.

[983] And I still enjoyed that.

[984] This young buck was down and I had said I was going to get meat for camp, but I'm not some bloodthirsty guy.

[985] So I just said, well, no, I'm just going to watch him and, you know, enjoy it.

[986] And he was there.

[987] and then the buck I ended up killing stepped out and uh you know an old buck he was you could see his hip bones because he was so run down from the rut and he was getting older i could tell he was an older mature deer and that's that's what i want to take i want to take an animal past his prime that has done his job for spread his genes for the health of the herd and was that's the animals we want to take out and so he was he was just a rundown old buck that's what i took yeah people don't they that's the problem is that people associate someone who wants to take an older big mature animal with trophy hunting like oh you just want the antlers you just want a big but they don't understand that that is actually the animal that you should take yeah and he's still ate you still great meat yeah you know sure yeah but i mean that that's just you know for the health of the herd that's the one you want right you know if you're doing it right.

[988] The young ones then will get a chance to fill his spot.

[989] Right.

[990] And that would be the natural position if there was an, this is the natural position if there's predators.

[991] The natural position is the really young ones, like the fawns get taken out, and then the really old ones who start getting worn down, they get taken out.

[992] And then everything in the middle gets to breed.

[993] Yeah.

[994] And then this guy who's eight years old or whatever he is, he's had plenty of opportunity to spread his genetics.

[995] And so his, his offspring will be everywhere.

[996] And then they'll get a chance now.

[997] And the thing is, nobody makes it out.

[998] Nobody makes it alive.

[999] They're all dying.

[1000] Everybody.

[1001] We're all dying.

[1002] So, I mean, just as, so if I wouldn't have killed that buck, it doesn't mean he's going to live forever.

[1003] I mean, he's going to die, one way or another.

[1004] It's not going to become a fairy.

[1005] The fact that he died, I shot him, and he was dead within seconds, is guaranteed, and people are always talk shit about this, is the very best way he could go.

[1006] Yeah.

[1007] You don't want him starving to death.

[1008] Yeah.

[1009] Or, you know, dying because his teeth don't work anymore.

[1010] He literally can't eat food.

[1011] You know, this, I've seen animals where you, um, you look at their teeth and there are almost none left.

[1012] Yeah.

[1013] You get like a really old buck.

[1014] This buck's teeth were flat in the back.

[1015] So it's just, when you can't eat, they got to gum it.

[1016] They can't gum enough.

[1017] Yeah, they can't grind down the food.

[1018] So it's, uh, you know, and Adam also found two bucks that had fought and got stuck.

[1019] They were fighting and a fence was in between them, just a cattle fence.

[1020] they got stuck in the fence died yeah so it's just their life is i mean how many guys out here in the street you know fight and kill each other and get stuck together it doesn't happen you know it's life in the wild is i mean unless you're out there and you witness things like that you just live in it's it's not real i think the real problem is perspective you know i mean i think unless you're there unless you're experiencing the wilderness itself like I've talked about my experience on Prince of Wales Island that, you know, Brian Callan and Rinella and I, we were up there for six, I guess, I think we camped there for six days.

[1021] And your idea of what, like, life is, is only based on what your perception is, like, what you're seeing on a daily basis.

[1022] Well, hey, you're seeing Ventura Boulevard, and you're seeing billboards and, oh, new movies coming out, and keeping up with the Kardashians, there's a new season.

[1023] Look at that new Audi.

[1024] Wow, that's a sweet looking car.

[1025] Hey, I got the new iPhone.

[1026] All right.

[1027] And this is life.

[1028] And then you're out there and you go, oh, well, this is life, too.

[1029] Total quiet.

[1030] Yeah.

[1031] Like this.

[1032] No cell phone service.

[1033] Rain animals.

[1034] Yeah.

[1035] And then if you die, no one's going to know.

[1036] No. If you fall and break your neck and die right there, something will eat you.

[1037] No one will find you.

[1038] And that's normal.

[1039] You're trying to stay warm.

[1040] You're trying to get food.

[1041] And there's more spots like that on this planet.

[1042] More spots like that on this planet than spots like Los Angeles.

[1043] Yeah.

[1044] It's weird.

[1045] Yeah.

[1046] I don't know.

[1047] It's just, but that connection, I don't know.

[1048] I guess there's no. There's no way to see it in front of your computer.

[1049] No. But I want to, if we can film it right and share it right, I think people will get it.

[1050] They're getting it a little now.

[1051] Get it more than what, than right now.

[1052] So, I mean, that's my goal with, you know, what we've been talking about.

[1053] And, I mean, we talked about the difficulty.

[1054] I did remember I wanted to mention this.

[1055] That hunt, the hunt was, I mean, I've been on a lot of hunts in a lot of places over the years.

[1056] And I hadn't struggled like I had on this.

[1057] It was so difficult, I was telling the guys back there, I said, I'm questioning my life right now.

[1058] What am I doing with my life?

[1059] And it's just because I'm like, it's not going to happen.

[1060] I'm not going to get it done.

[1061] and the animals don't care about my goals that they don't care about that oh we're supposed to be making this great film and portray hunting and they're like no we're not has nothing do they're just staying alive that is it so it's just like everything that I felt like I wanted to do or achieve or my it was just like it's not going to happen and it felt like god have I lost it you know I mean I was it was like this is hard yeah but when it works And you do it right and that shot happens, then it's just like, okay.

[1062] And I don't know.

[1063] It's just that doing something so difficult and being successful, as I've said this before, has made me who I am.

[1064] You know, I mean, without a challenge like that, I don't know.

[1065] I don't know where I'd be right now.

[1066] So it's, I don't know, sometimes you cuss it and then, man, you're just so appreciative of the journey.

[1067] Well, those difficult moments, the only thing that makes success worthwhile, success was easy.

[1068] If you woke up in the morning, first day, yawn, have a cup of coffee, step five steps, there's the biggest deer that's ever lived.

[1069] Shoot one right through his heart.

[1070] You wouldn't even feel it.

[1071] It wouldn't be like...

[1072] No, no. And I don't think people understand how difficult it is, too, because they watch these TV shows.

[1073] If you ever watched a hunting show, they're half an hour long.

[1074] So you're watching 22 minutes without commercials, right?

[1075] Yeah.

[1076] In 22 minutes, you know, they usually build up for the first, you know, 15 minutes.

[1077] So, you know, we came close to him, but we could not get a shot.

[1078] And then finally they get a shot.

[1079] What you don't see is that it takes days and days and days of 10, 12 hours, hut up and down mountains, up and down, and up and down.

[1080] And when I've met you, the reason why I got in contact with you and the reason why I met you is because I was so confused as to why someone would need to run ultra -marathons in order to get ready for hunting.

[1081] I was like, what the fuck is this guy doing?

[1082] Like, why is he lifting weights and doing all this shit for, I didn't get it.

[1083] Yeah.

[1084] I was like, I was just getting into it, and I was trying to figure out, like, I was, I would start to watch things on television and I was starting to read certain articles and read certain books.

[1085] And I was like, well, what is this whole fitness connection to hunting?

[1086] Like, why do they need to be in shape?

[1087] I'm like, I'm in pretty good shape.

[1088] Like, what's the big deal?

[1089] Well, I went with Rinella.

[1090] And when I went with Rinella, one of the things I realized, like, boy, I got pretty winded going up these fucking hills.

[1091] Like, hiking tires you out.

[1092] Especially high altitude and then I see your your videos online.

[1093] I was like what the fuck is this guy into?

[1094] And then As I go deeper and deeper into it, I realize like oh, this is like an extreme pursuit.

[1095] This is not just like something you just go out and do.

[1096] This is something that's really hard to do and a lot of people there are I've I've read this one article about this one guy who was unsuccessful 12 years in a row elk hunting before he finally shot an elk like 12 years like how?

[1097] I've read this one article about this one guy who was unsuccessful 12 years.

[1098] Like how?

[1099] How many times did this guy go out?

[1100] How many days did he camp in the forest?

[1101] Yeah.

[1102] How many days did he try to stalk and get winded or snap on a twig at the last minute or, you know, the elk sees him and bolts?

[1103] Most people are unsuccessful.

[1104] Yeah.

[1105] I mean, nine out of ten every year are unsuccessful.

[1106] I think it's more than that.

[1107] Like for elk hunting with archery?

[1108] It's about 10 % success.

[1109] Is it 10 %?

[1110] Yeah.

[1111] So nine out of ten are unsuccessful.

[1112] So people who don't hunt, who see, you know, dead stuff all the time, they think, you just go out and kill an animal right no right most 90 % don't it is really hard and it's just like until you're out there you got the bow in your hand and you're trying to close in on that animal and you're trying to do everything right from a to z with and there's so many variables during that whole path it's just like it seems impossible sometimes you know even even for me after 30 years and this there's a very strange connection that you get with nature And forget about even the fact that you're pursuing these animals to hunt them and eat them.

[1113] But there's a very strange connection that you get when you're out there in that total quiet woods where they live.

[1114] You're in their world and you lock eyes with them and you meet them and you see them.

[1115] And you're in this place with no cell phone reception, with no people anywhere near you from miles and miles.

[1116] Yeah.

[1117] It's a totally different feeling.

[1118] Life shows you another aspect of itself that you didn't know existed.

[1119] Yeah.

[1120] Yeah.

[1121] And it's out there every day.

[1122] Yeah.

[1123] But we're just, you know, living in our...

[1124] We're muted.

[1125] We're very muted.

[1126] There's something about cities and this existence.

[1127] I mean, don't get me wrong.

[1128] I like it.

[1129] I like a lot of it.

[1130] I like the fact that you can go to a restaurant.

[1131] I like going to the movies.

[1132] I like the fact that if, you know, if your phone breaks, you go to the fucking mall and get a new cell phone.

[1133] All that stuff's wonderful.

[1134] It's not bad, but the other stuff is fantastic, too.

[1135] And we're disconnected.

[1136] A giant percentage of our population lives.

[1137] in these urban environments that have a complete and total disconnect from the actual life on earth.

[1138] Like, life on earth is not just urban environments.

[1139] Life on earth has this broad spectrum of different ways it manifests itself.

[1140] And to experience all these different ones, to be in Alberta and see black bears in the wild, to be, you know, in Colorado and see mule deer and be in the woods and the mountains and to be around these different animals, it's a different it's a different understanding of the actual existence that living things have here on earth that living things that share the air you breathe and the water you drink and the earth itself that was the that was the best part of that trip because we would split up uh adam would go one way i would go another way in the morning i'd have mark woemack with me he'd have uh jameson was his cameraman's name would go with him and the best part was at the end of the day hearing what everybody saw not not what if you killed something because we didn't I mean we were there a long time and didn't kill very much but just what everybody saw you know from the bucks being locked up that were dead to one morning we we were up and uh heard something a commotion up ahead of us and Mark's Mark says it's a buck rubbing his antlers and I listened for a second I said no that's two bucks fighting so we took off up the hill and I got 25 yards away and these bucks were just going at it just fighting pushing each other around and i i couldn't get a clear shot didn't get out there in time to do that but that story and then adam would say well he called in three fox you know he did a varmock call and three fox came running in or he saw this many wild boars or he was close to getting saw a giant fallow buck and however it didn't work out and then i would share a story about what i saw you know about another brown snake or something like that that and that was that was so fun just getting together over the campfire not talking about what we killed but just what we saw and experienced yeah you know and it's you know i was flew home last night and just got in this morning to l .A and i'm looking around the airport i was thinking about all the people i wonder how many actually would get me you know because i feel like an outsider a little bit especially coming back from a hunt and i'm just looking at everybody thinking I don't get them they probably don't get me but you at least understand what they're doing I think you know I mean when I was checking my luggage in it was flu virgin coming back from Sydney to L .A and you know the the lady there the check in she's like what's in that case and I said it's a bow a weapon I go could be yeah yeah it's a bow and arrow what were you doing I said hunting she's and she goes we'll be hunting oh don't tell me don't tell me she didn't want to hear it And I'm like, I don't think you've looked into it.

[1141] Yeah, you can.

[1142] I said, it's just like, I said it's not even like a firearm weapon type thing.

[1143] It's just, you just check it in, just normal.

[1144] But anyway, I was thinking, I was like, oh, man, that's.

[1145] How old was this lady?

[1146] Oh, she wasn't old.

[1147] She's younger than me, probably.

[1148] I mean, but.

[1149] I don't think you can fly with her bowing.

[1150] Yeah.

[1151] Why was she telling you that?

[1152] I don't know.

[1153] She never looked into that.

[1154] I said, I go, well, I ended up.

[1155] it didn't have to do anything she said you're gonna have to sign all this stuff because they're not allowed and i'm just like i said listen i fly with this all over the world is this a lady who worked there yeah a virgin no no oh that's hilarious so she said they're way more strict which maybe they are virgin is more strict that's what she said she go i said well i just flew quantus to darwin and back and nobody said a word i said and i've she goes have you ever been in australia before with it i said yeah I said, listen, I've been everywhere.

[1156] It's never an issue.

[1157] Trust me. I'm not trying to believe.

[1158] I mean, just trust me. So anyway.

[1159] But, yeah, it's just there's times when I'm just like, God, am I the outsider or, or what I don't know.

[1160] Well, you know, it's like we were talking before this, when we were on the way over here about a show that wanted me to come on and talk about guns.

[1161] But there's going to be like a large audience and there's going to be a bunch of people on the panel and you talk for seven minutes and you go to commercial.

[1162] break and I'm like, I'm not interested.

[1163] I'm not interested in doing that because I think that it's a long conversation that you have to have with someone and it takes a while for you to understand their point of view.

[1164] It takes a while for them to understand your point of view.

[1165] It takes a while to establish the fact that you're a very reasonable person and this is a very nuanced conversation.

[1166] Much like when that guy in France ran over a bunch of people with his truck, I don't think the truck should be outlawed.

[1167] I think the real issue is human beings that are capable of doing horrible shit.

[1168] It's crazy people.

[1169] Right.

[1170] Why are they capable of doing that?

[1171] Let's get to the bottom of that.

[1172] And let's stop ignoring all the factors and just concentrating only on the weapon, right?

[1173] That kind of conversation is a long conversation.

[1174] I think takes hours and hours and you still might not get to the bottom of it.

[1175] That's how I feel about like you talking to someone about hunting.

[1176] Yeah.

[1177] Like if you came over here, it's almost like I don't even want to tell them.

[1178] Like if someone says like that you have a bow, like what's in the case?

[1179] I got a bow and arrow.

[1180] What do you do?

[1181] Oh, I practice archery.

[1182] Yeah.

[1183] It's easier that way.

[1184] like to shoot at targets oh yeah target shooting oh that's cool that's in the olympics yep it's in the olympics yeah yeah except my targets they move and they have antlers yeah i know well you can't tell them that it's i know so i think i'm just like it takes too long yeah it does but i don't know i don't i think i'm i just don't like hiding who i am basically so i'm always i just say hey this is what i do so yeah she's like don't tell me i'm like i was hunting buffalo i'm telling you i don't care.

[1185] They're an invasive species.

[1186] No, they live there.

[1187] You're going to hear what I was doing, whether you like it or not.

[1188] Nobody wants to hear it.

[1189] Well, it's kind of like with my, with my social media, I like putting up stuff that, so I can just weed the people out.

[1190] Right.

[1191] You know, like holding the buffalo head in the water, I'm like, okay, this is going to weed out so the people who I really don't want here anyway.

[1192] Right.

[1193] They're going to get mad at you for sure, but they would get mad anyway.

[1194] Yeah.

[1195] And there's a lot of people.

[1196] that listen to these conversations and they get a perspective that they would have never had like there's a lot of people right now that are listening that are in their car that are on their you know on the bus or whatever and they got the headphones on and they're thinking about this in a way that they never thought about it before because in their mind they've because of the fact they live in these urban environments and they've never been exposed to hunting and they get all their meat from a store or from a supermarket or from a restaurant they just never heard anybody talk about it yeah and this is a it's a weird part of our life it's a it's a dangerous disconnect i think with life and death the dangerous disconnect of restaurants and supermarkets well here's here's one thing i think people just get tuned in to what they're interested in and that's it i mean even instagram does it so on the explorer page or whatever that is what comes up is what you look at yeah so it comes up on my page is like hunting and fitness yeah that's so it's all that so whatever you're looking at whether it's gay guys or cooking that's what's good that's what that's what that's your world so that's sort of what our world is now is we only we're only exposed to really what we want to be exposed to you know and that's why I'm like no I'm hunting buffalo I want that lady to be exposed to something different right right right so I don't know it's just um it's confirmation I don't know what my point is but it's it's what you're saying maybe makes a whole lot of sense is that people do.

[1197] They find these communities with like -minded people and becomes an echo chamber.

[1198] Yeah.

[1199] They're preaching to the choir.

[1200] Yeah.

[1201] And that goes all the way back to like a million hours ago, it feels like since we've been talking about why that Netflix thing is so appealing to me and having you involved.

[1202] It's just because we've reached so many new people.

[1203] And hunting is so important to me. And I think, I mean, just the, just people can understand what motivates.

[1204] us and why it's important.

[1205] I just want that, just want that shown right, you know, and shared right.

[1206] But there's definitely a way to do it, and I don't know where we should go.

[1207] I mean, whether it's the Buffalo Place or somewhere else, but I think it's a great idea to do.

[1208] No, Steve Ronella's show is on Netflix now.

[1209] Yeah, and it has one star.

[1210] Does?

[1211] Yeah, people are so angry.

[1212] They find it, and they, fuck, you shouldn't have to eat meat.

[1213] You get everything you want from celery.

[1214] Yeah.

[1215] People get a they get super super agro you know you want to make people really angry tell them tell them that there's a growing body of science it shows that plants are intelligent yeah yeah plants think and they feel they scream and all that fucking freak out like babies or you don't even have to say that this justifies eating meat just put that no when I put that on Twitter just the the data about that and people will fucking go crazy and attack me for hunting yeah Yeah.

[1216] Or if you talk about all the animals that die when they're when their salads being made, you know.

[1217] Right.

[1218] They don't want to hear that either.

[1219] No, so it's different whatever.

[1220] They put, they prioritize or put different importance on, you know, that we've talked about that too.

[1221] Well, they feel like they're doing a good thing.

[1222] And they are in many ways.

[1223] Look, if you're, if you're shooing factory farming, you're avoiding factory farming and eating more salads and eating, you know, farm to, you know, farm to, table vegetables instead you are definitely contributing to less death and suffering 100 % yeah but you're contributing to some yeah you just are if you eat grain if you eat grain you're contributing to uh first of all what do you care about do you care about insects like where do you draw the line because if you don't care about insects well then you're okay but if you do if you think that insects are life well there's pesticides they're fucking they're they're they're they're it's a holocaust every day out there fucking bugs yeah they're spraying those goddamn things constantly.

[1224] I mean, if you want to have a healthy crops, there's a reason why they have these pesticides.

[1225] Yeah.

[1226] It's because they want to kill these animals that are trying to eat the crops, kill these little bugs.

[1227] Well, and I don't know.

[1228] I just keep going back to this recent trip, just because I think about it.

[1229] And it's just like, here's another example.

[1230] So those, the brown snakes up there are second most deadly.

[1231] And we saw a number of brown snakes in the road while we were driving.

[1232] Adam swerves around them.

[1233] You know?

[1234] He tried to not kill him.

[1235] Not kill him.

[1236] He wants him to stay alive.

[1237] Well, yeah.

[1238] Big spider he had crawling on his face.

[1239] I saw that thing.

[1240] Why do you let that thing grow on his face?

[1241] I don't know.

[1242] Because he's Australian.

[1243] Different breed of human.

[1244] But not killing.

[1245] Is that on his Instagram?

[1246] Yeah, it is somewhere.

[1247] See it, Adam.

[1248] Dot green tree dot bow hunting.

[1249] No, he changed it to just Adam green tree.

[1250] Adam.

[1251] dot green tree.

[1252] Why?

[1253] I don't know.

[1254] The bow hunting part?

[1255] I think it was too confusing.

[1256] Maybe.

[1257] I don't think he's worried about that at all.

[1258] I don't know.

[1259] Angry people.

[1260] Boy, that guy seems immune to hate.

[1261] Yeah, it's a...

[1262] He's a great guy.

[1263] He's...

[1264] He is.

[1265] But he is sensitive, too.

[1266] I mean, he's...

[1267] That's what I'm saying.

[1268] It's not like we're just cold -blooded killers.

[1269] Right.

[1270] You know what I mean?

[1271] There's one time we didn't have an argument, but I didn't believe him about something.

[1272] And he was so upset.

[1273] He's like, I he goes I'm brutally honest you know and he's like mad that I didn't believe him so it's not it's like he's a warm -hearted person he's not just a not running over snakes he's not a robot no no no and so people think that we're just these these cold -blooded killers out there barbaric or whatever no no I feel like and I don't want to judge people who aren't but I feel like we are just we understand the circle of life better yeah I don't know well you're definitely more accustomed to being around it yeah definitely exposed to it yeah yeah you know I think like I said I have friends that are vegans I know a lot of vegans and people think that for some reason I hate vegans I mock a lot of things I make fun of things that are that are targets and a lot of like the proselytizing nature of vegans and the angry self -righteous moral high ground stance that they take it's easy to mock it's right Right there.

[1274] It's easy.

[1275] And I think most of the people that do it, they do it for good reasons.

[1276] Yeah.

[1277] You know, trying the lifestyle and eating that way.

[1278] Yeah.

[1279] But there's also health problems with it, you know, and people don't like you saying that either.

[1280] I know a lot of people that have tried it and they give up after a while because it bought my friend Sophie from the comedy store.

[1281] She just started eating eggs again.

[1282] Yeah.

[1283] For the longest time, she was just trying to just go straight vegan.

[1284] She kept getting her blood work back and it wasn't healthy.

[1285] or actually she wasn't the blood work Sam Harris was the blood work car He went vegan for a while But his blood work was all fucked up So he started eating fish and eggs and Yeah It's like there's people that Different bodies Are more adaptable To different kinds of diets And some people just don't do well On an all plant -based diet And maybe they're not as disciplined as some folks Maybe they're not doing it right Yeah I don't know Yeah it's hard to say Everybody's different But I don't think there's anything wrong with going out and killing animals and eating them.

[1286] And I think that's where we differ from a lot of people that think that you should not be allowed to do that.

[1287] You should not be allowed because it's barbaric.

[1288] I don't think it's barbaric.

[1289] I think it's spiritual.

[1290] And that's what freaks people out.

[1291] They get very angry if you say that.

[1292] But they wouldn't get angry if you talked about Native Americans doing it.

[1293] It's very interesting.

[1294] And the thing is, the big difference is, I don't care if they don't eat meat.

[1295] I don't judge them for not eating meat, but they judge us for killing.

[1296] You know what I mean?

[1297] So it's pretty one -sided as far as they won't accept being a hunter and being self -sufficient.

[1298] While any hunter I know isn't going on vegan pages and talking shit, you know what I mean?

[1299] I mean, so it's just weird how they're so hateful and so one -sight, you know, up on their soapbox.

[1300] Yeah.

[1301] And I don't feel like we do that.

[1302] I mean, I know there's going to be people that say, they're going to say, oh, first of all, they can say, how many times am I going to be on here?

[1303] As many times as he can come.

[1304] There's a lot of the podcast, folks.

[1305] What's the record?

[1306] Most people on here?

[1307] Yeah, for the most number of repeat guests.

[1308] Somebody probably knows.

[1309] Probably Joey Diaz.

[1310] Callan's probably pushing.

[1311] Calin?

[1312] Yeah, all the fight companions and everything, Eddie Bravo.

[1313] Yeah, that's true.

[1314] And then they'll say, talk about, more boring hunting shit that's fine I know you don't have to listen folks I do a lot of podcasts I got one later today with Jordan Peterson I guarantee you we're not going to be talking about hunting what's that who's that he's a professor of the University of Toronto he might hunt he might I don't think he does that uh he hunts liberals but he um one of the things is about um what we were talking about earlier that we were saying that people sort of find their area and it becomes like an echo chamber yeah and I think that's one of the issues with whether it's veganism or even hunting is that I think that people, they need to be, have these dialogues with people that don't necessarily agree with them so they can find out how the other person thinks.

[1315] And, you know, if you do, if you are talking to a person who's a hunter and you find out that they're actually just a cruel psychopath, like, fuck, man, I wouldn't want to hang out that guy.

[1316] Yeah.

[1317] I mean, I haven't experienced that, but I know they must be out there.

[1318] Oh, yeah.

[1319] So if you were sitting across them having a...

[1320] There's freaks and everything.

[1321] And everything.

[1322] Yeah.

[1323] And you were having a conversation with someone like that.

[1324] I mean, it would be disturbing.

[1325] But I think that most people that are, especially people like yourself or a guy like Remy Warren or Steve Ronella, very well -spoken, who is also an advocate for conservation, loves wildlife.

[1326] If they sat down and had a long -form conversation like this with someone who's a reasonable person, who's a vegan for all the right reasons, who's a vegan because they care about life and because they want to.

[1327] want to be cruelty -free and they want to live life with as little footprint as possible.

[1328] I think they'd be surprised at how much common ground they find.

[1329] Yeah, I mean, if anybody spent a day in the woods with Remy or Adam, they'd be shocked at how much not hunting they know, just how much they know about the environment, about where they're hunting, about different species, about the animals and tendencies and in foliage.

[1330] And, I mean, those guys are amazing.

[1331] Yeah, and I think that almost like we're talking about, like with the Aborigines where we're kind of losing their culture or losing out on an understanding of how these people lived, there's a little bit of that could be said about the culture of hunting is that if it goes away and if it, there was a trend about 10, maybe 15, 20 years ago where from what I've read at least, obviously I'm pretty new to it.

[1332] I've only been hunting for five years, but that they were considerably worried, they were really worried.

[1333] There was a real thought that the next few generations, that hunting was going to dwindle down to such a low number that hunters would not have the same sort of impact in terms of politically, where they could affect the retaining of public lands.

[1334] Yeah.

[1335] And which is a huge issue with Americans today.

[1336] And you're seeing it with this Trump administration where you're seeing this.

[1337] the erosion of the Environmental Protection Agency and the erosion of the status, the protected status that some national monuments have and perhaps public lands have, people are super nervous.

[1338] And you had a conversation, a long conversation with Jason Chavitz, Chaffetz, Chaffetz, how do you say Chaffetz, who had a very controversial bill that he had out that was pulled back.

[1339] It was a bill to sell off public land that was pulled back because of the activism of hunters and people care.

[1340] Yeah, it was a, it was what they determined, what they were going to, um, determine was disposable.

[1341] Yeah, three million acres of disposable land.

[1342] That was, that was HR 621 and then there's HR 622 also.

[1343] So there's two of them kind of back to back different.

[1344] 622 just took away the law enforcement on public lands, which, and, and they wanted to take it from the, the federal government to, um, to give it to the state, which people think that that's, It's just a way where the states can say, well, we can't afford it, so we're going to have to sell this public land.

[1345] Exactly.

[1346] Because it's a resource, and the states have to, the states have to balance our budget every year.

[1347] Federal government doesn't.

[1348] So if the state has to balance its budget and it's not penciling out and they can sell X amount of acres and that's going to help, they're going to do that.

[1349] That's all there's to it.

[1350] So, yeah, that is.

[1351] There's also wildfire protection.

[1352] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1353] I mean, there's a bunch of issues.

[1354] Fighting wildfires is all, it's a federal issue.

[1355] But if it's private land, if the state sells it, all that shit's gone.

[1356] Yeah.

[1357] There's no more federal protection.

[1358] Yeah, and you look at, I don't know, it's a, that's a big one.

[1359] And so sportsmen's really stepped up, and that was through social media, how they can, now we have more of a voice than we've ever had.

[1360] You know, before it was just these politicians making decisions and, you know, us little people didn't really have a say.

[1361] Now we have a say.

[1362] I mean, Jason, Chaffetz, you'd think, well, why would he care?

[1363] He'd look at his Instagram page.

[1364] He might have, you know, I don't think he has 20 ,000.

[1365] Whereas we have pretty big numbers, especially you.

[1366] So if you mention something about it, he gets overwhelmed with, hey, are you looking out for us?

[1367] Are you doing the right thing by us?

[1368] We won't vote you in next time.

[1369] And so then it makes those guys think, holy shit.

[1370] Well, did you see his town hall meeting?

[1371] Yeah.

[1372] I mean, it's crazy.

[1373] It's all sportsmen and sports women showed up and all people that care about public lands, and they went crazy.

[1374] Yeah, that was, that was, I was, had mixed, mixed feelings on that because the yelling and stuff doesn't, it doesn't.

[1375] At least it sends a very clear message that people are obsessed.

[1376] It doesn't accomplish much as far as there, but yes, it sends a message for sure.

[1377] Yeah, it's a danger.

[1378] And he's not going to be a politician anymore.

[1379] No, I know.

[1380] He's resigning.

[1381] And I don't know.

[1382] I'm not sure I haven't, you know, I see every once in a while he likes some of my stuff.

[1383] So it's like, I hear he's going into male prostitution.

[1384] That's what I heard.

[1385] Is that true, Jamie?

[1386] Can you Google that?

[1387] I just made that out of it.

[1388] I know.

[1389] Jason, if you're listening, I'm a comedian.

[1390] And I'm sorry.

[1391] Don't sue me. He seemed like a super nice guy, but it's.

[1392] He's a politician.

[1393] And I told him, I said, listen.

[1394] I go, listen, you're the first politician I've ever met.

[1395] And he's like, oh, he's like.

[1396] You've lived a charmed life.

[1397] Puzzled by representing Shavitt's decision to quit Congress.

[1398] Well, I bet it's that fucking going to that town hall and having all those people screaming them.

[1399] Probably thinking, what am I doing?

[1400] Well, he's, you know, like I said, he seemed nice, but maybe that politicians have to be personable.

[1401] That's how they get elected.

[1402] You know?

[1403] You ever watch House of Cards?

[1404] No, I haven't.

[1405] Good show.

[1406] Should watch it.

[1407] Yeah, freak you the fuck out.

[1408] If it's really like that, you should be scared.

[1409] We should all be scared.

[1410] So I'd like to learn more.

[1411] I haven't asked.

[1412] you know what's going on or whatever but yeah i mean i was i like the fact that he at least took time out to talk about it you know instead of just i'm not sure why he did but i appreciated the fact that he did well it's he's an interesting guy because he saves money for the people by sleeping in his office he has a cot in his office that he sleeps in to save money on hotel rooms for for for the people so it's like yeah it's not like he's a total piece of shit no I didn't get that feeling.

[1413] But Rinella has a very bad opinion of him based on his record with defending public land.

[1414] And Rinella thinks that he does not understand the significance of these decisions.

[1415] These decisions are, they are a step in the wrong direction that will snowball out of control and it will eventually lead to privatizing of public lands and the loss of the access to them by the American people that was all set aside by Teddy Roosevelt and all those people.

[1416] that had such great insight and foresight back in the day.

[1417] Yeah, and that's, you know, that was the worry with, he, he says, well, no, I'm just taking the law enforcement away from these lands and, or not taking it away, but giving it to the state.

[1418] And like I said, with the whole budget saying, so people are thinking that when they don't have enough money, not just for the law enforcement, but for enforcing illegal timber harvest and dumping trash.

[1419] Right.

[1420] And so when all that happens, that lessens the value of the land.

[1421] So when the value of the land is lessened, then it's just like, okay, whatever, this is a garbage dump anyway.

[1422] Right.

[1423] So it makes it easier.

[1424] So they thought that was just a step in the transition of taking that away from public land and privatizing it.

[1425] That's Rennell's opinion.

[1426] And maybe it was.

[1427] I don't know.

[1428] Well, he seemed like, Jason seemed like a very nice guy when you were interviewing him.

[1429] I don't know enough about that particular issue.

[1430] But when you talk to a guy like Brunella, who is deeply invested in it and very well read on it, he is of the opinion 100 % that it's an incredibly negative idea.

[1431] Both HR 621, which is gone and 622, which he thinks is equally negative.

[1432] And he thinks it's essentially like a Trojan horse.

[1433] Right.

[1434] And I told him, that's what I said too, is I said, you know, sportsmen don't support 622 either.

[1435] Do girls get mad when you call it sportsman?

[1436] Probably.

[1437] Is there another word?

[1438] outdoors people sports people you can't say sports people you're like what lacrosse players I'm so sick of that are you it's because you're a man your male privilege is showing son of a bitch I thought it was white privilege that too oh you gotta have it all American privilege white privilege cisgender privilege peanut butter jelly racist yeah peanut butter jelly is racist I didn't even know what that was about all I saw was your post in the headline and I'm just like I didn't surprise me though.

[1439] People think the peanut butter and jelly is racist.

[1440] This is how deep it gets because white people eat peanut butter and jelly, whereas black people don't necessarily eat peanut butter and jelly.

[1441] So to have peanut butter and jelly as a food choice in school for kids is racist because other ethnic groups don't necessarily eat peanut butter and jelly.

[1442] What in the fuck?

[1443] Well, first of all, who doesn't like peanut butter and jelly?

[1444] Some communists, I think Maybe Chinese folks Child molesters Yeah Hunters probably don't Yeah that guy from that movie That molested that girl Yeah who North Koreans maybe Maybe the most evil ones Maybe they don't like peanut burn jelly Probably Fuck no I don't know It's ridiculous It's delicious food choice People are just working too hard To be offended That's you're exactly 100 % correct right there People are working too hard to be offended Yeah Yeah, there's a, there's a lot of folks out there that just looking for something to get ticked off at.

[1445] It's too easy.

[1446] It's too easy to get by.

[1447] You know, and I think that's also something that happens when life is too fucking easy.

[1448] Yeah.

[1449] There's not enough struggle.

[1450] We were talking about kids and about putting your kids through difficult things so they understand accomplishing goals and they understand how things aren't easy.

[1451] You have to struggle through stuff and how it's hard today because, you know, you know, You know, you're doing well, I'm doing well, our kids are fine.

[1452] Yeah, they don't have to worry about where food's coming from.

[1453] It's going to be there.

[1454] You open the fridge.

[1455] There's the food.

[1456] Yeah.

[1457] So you have to figure out, like, okay, how do you get this kid to understand and appreciate the value of a difficult task, overcoming that difficult task, and feeling that good feeling that you have of building character and knowing, yeah, I can push through something like you had to do during that tough hunt, very difficult, questioning yourself, then finally success.

[1458] and then you have that good feeling, the good feeling of success and of accomplishment and of realizing that you will fight those demons in your mind and that you will stay the course and keep hammering as it were and get through on the other end with success.

[1459] And you've done it before and even though you've been doing it for fucking decades, those questions still come to your mind.

[1460] And for me personally, that's why I work as hard as I do just because you get wake up calls like that and you're just like, okay, I got to be on my A game Well, it's one of the reasons why I like doing really difficult things Which leads me to what you've got me into is running Yeah, I've been fucking running lately I run all the time now, man I run fucking hills It's crazy, I run hills I put a backpack on with a weight plate on I fucking walk hills I'm like, what am I doing?

[1461] How often are you running?

[1462] Several days a week Really?

[1463] Yeah, depending on whether or not I'm home Like that route that we did?

[1464] Yep, I do that route and I also do that steep hill near my house Yeah I do that There's a couple different routes that I go How is it?

[1465] I mean is it easier than easier But it still sucks a fat dick That's what's about to say That's like that's running hey that could be a shirt Running sucks a fat dick But I love it Whoops It's it's it's definitely Slightly easier Yeah But you remember that fucking steep steep hill Once you get to the bottom Yeah And then you go back up That's awesome That's, it is awesome, but it is always hard.

[1466] Yeah, it's never easy.

[1467] Yeah.

[1468] When I'm getting to the top of that thing, but I can make it all the way up to the top now.

[1469] Can you?

[1470] Really?

[1471] Yeah, I can make it all the way to the top.

[1472] Yeah.

[1473] That's awesome.

[1474] It's fucking brutal.

[1475] Yeah.

[1476] I made sure that I could get there.

[1477] Fuck, it's hard.

[1478] But you did mention that it has helped your cardio and other things.

[1479] Oh, dude.

[1480] Well, that's one thing that I noticed.

[1481] Like, I didn't kickbox for a couple of weeks because I've been too busy doing other stuff.

[1482] And I wanted to keep with the running because I was getting some accomplishment.

[1483] I was getting some progress out of it.

[1484] I was seeing progress.

[1485] And then I started going back into some of my other workouts.

[1486] It didn't affect my weightlifting at all, my kettlebell workouts at all.

[1487] But, man, kickboxing, it really affected it.

[1488] Yeah.

[1489] It affected it a real positive way because I'm doing all hills.

[1490] Yeah.

[1491] So I'm basically sprinting a lot.

[1492] Yeah.

[1493] Your heart rate's just spiked.

[1494] Yeah.

[1495] And so when I was doing rounds on the bag the other day, I was like, Jesus, I got a lot of wind.

[1496] Yeah.

[1497] It's kind of crazy.

[1498] That's awesome.

[1499] Yeah, I was, like, deep into, like, the third and fourth round, and I was still slamming the bag, and I was like, this is weird.

[1500] Like, I've got, like, an extra gear here.

[1501] Did, uh, have you dropped any weight?

[1502] Yeah, I've dropped a few pounds.

[1503] I'm probably, like, somewhere between 194 and 196, where I was hovering around 200.

[1504] But I've dropped down before just by my diet, which got shitty again.

[1505] Got shitty again when I went to Mexico.

[1506] I gained, like, eight pounds in a week.

[1507] Mexico yeah beer and Mexican food that's not good that's not good for weight control weird is definitely not taste good though yeah well I haven't been doing jiu jitsu very much when I do jiu jihitsu a lot I fucking the weight just flies off really eat anything I could eat a whole I could eat a horse but it's uh jihitsu is just so calorie intensive yeah you know I mean yeah yeah just fighting for your life well what's what's your running goal Um, I don't have a running goal.

[1508] I just, I'm definitely going to keep doing it and keep getting in better shape.

[1509] And then if something, if I decide, okay, I need something to strive for.

[1510] Then here's my goal.

[1511] Okay.

[1512] I'm going to do the keep hammering 5K next year and fucking kick ass at it.

[1513] There you go.

[1514] Instead of this year when I did it where I was like, oh, Jesus, this is hard.

[1515] Well, zero running.

[1516] How about this guy?

[1517] Almost 25 seconds short of the two -hour marathon barrier.

[1518] So crazy.

[1519] He did break the world record, though.

[1520] That's so fast.

[1521] He broke the new world record two hours and 20 seconds, 25 seconds, I believe it was.

[1522] So he was only 25 seconds short of breaking what people think is this unattainable record.

[1523] That's insane.

[1524] He'll break it or someone like him will break it.

[1525] Oh, somebody will.

[1526] Yeah, but it's so close.

[1527] So Nike is apparently like...

[1528] Maybe you will.

[1529] Yeah, I don't think so.

[1530] I'm not built like that guy.

[1531] No. They're all built the same way.

[1532] I know.

[1533] They're all built like popsicle sticks.

[1534] super humid when he was running this too is like 70 % humidity which isn't like ideal no that's like breathing hot water that's high yeah well that probably could have been the 20 seconds right oh for sure yeah maybe they could do that in seattle in the winter the course he was running on is in milan i guess there's an article i just read yesterday i think it was on tech crunch maybe or wired somebody uh like a writer for there was trying to break a half marathon and he wanted to see if he could break a 90 minute or half marathon and it's his first time running on that course and he broke up like two and a half minutes so there's something special about that course too it's like a mile and a half track i don't know why you'd be able to run faster necessarily there but yeah uh you can and those shoes they made too or what is it what's the deal with the shoes something special super special training i don't know exactly you can't buy them yet you can like only win them off a raffle for maybe if you had under armor he would have won that's it maybe yeah that could have those keep hammering shoes if you had that under armor keep hammer and shoes that you could get at underarmor dot com can you get your keep hammering shoes Can you buy them anywhere?

[1535] I don't think so.

[1536] What the fuck, Under Armour?

[1537] Get on the ball.

[1538] And you can't buy my three -buttoned shirt I always wear either.

[1539] Yeah, well, that's a rare thing, shirt with buttons.

[1540] Just keep that away from the public.

[1541] It's super important.

[1542] We are, I don't know when it's going to be released, but the Cameron Haynes line is coming out.

[1543] Yeah, the Cameron Haynes Under Armour, UA Hunt, right?

[1544] Yeah, yeah.

[1545] Awesome.

[1546] And you're going to have a say in how it's designed.

[1547] Oh, yeah, it's awesome.

[1548] The boots are amazing.

[1549] Yeah?

[1550] Yeah.

[1551] Boots, camo shorts, pants, base layer, hoodie, jacket.

[1552] It's a killer.

[1553] And when is this all this stuff?

[1554] You don't know when it's coming out?

[1555] No, I don't know.

[1556] But they're in the development stage right now?

[1557] Yeah, I think they texted me when I was in Australia and said they have samples in for me. Well, it was awesome when you took over the UA Hunt page on Instagram.

[1558] You're going to do more of that now, right?

[1559] Because I talk to Brian off it.

[1560] We're going to, Brian, we're going to get on the ball with this.

[1561] Yeah, I mean, when I took it over, the week that I took over, there was, so if you look at impressions on Instagram, it went up three million.

[1562] That seems like a good thing, Brian.

[1563] Isn't it?

[1564] Are we waiting for a response?

[1565] Looking at Brian Buffett.

[1566] Here?

[1567] Looking at him in the camera.

[1568] Brian, what's up?

[1569] You can look at him up there.

[1570] Oh, what's up?

[1571] Yeah, so, no. And when Adam took it over, when we're on that Australia hunt, it went up, like, they went from.

[1572] what was it uh 493000 to 5002 ,000 followers so pretty good jump yeah that's a good jump yeah I posted it on instagram too yeah and it's just a matter of putting out interesting content yeah well that's what I was saying like the Instagram story was nice but I would have really loved it if you guys were stream if there was a way to stream like more often like yeah had like very specific moments where you're streaming yeah and I think that as technology advances especially did you see what Elon Musk is trying to do he's trying to fill the world and with one gigabyte internet.

[1573] What he's going to do is launch satellites into the air that's going to allow people to have...

[1574] One gigabyte is fucking insanely fast.

[1575] And if that happens, you can stream live from anywhere.

[1576] But say goodbye to privacy, by the way.

[1577] There's going to be drones filming people fucking right outside their window.

[1578] It's going to get really crazy.

[1579] Live.

[1580] But what's going to be interesting is you can be in a place like where you were.

[1581] And you could, you know, call people from your phone.

[1582] You could film things.

[1583] You could stream.

[1584] live and all that stuff would be available and you would have real internet access in the in the bush and and that's what people people like that i mean they're already asking when's a film coming out you know we we filmed this mark wilmac with his company sub seven filmed it for under armor and we're like we got to turn this thing around fast and i saw under armor put up this can come out in the fall i'm like fall that under armor bullshit listen let's get this out fucking may no people like i mean chop chop people don't have patience anymore I don't have patience anymore.

[1585] I don't either.

[1586] I would like you to finish the sentence quicker, please.

[1587] I saw Mark Womack, we got off the plane together in L .A. here, and I'm like, hey, you get that movie done or what?

[1588] On the plane.

[1589] Yeah.

[1590] He said he was working.

[1591] He had been editing.

[1592] So I'm like, all right, let's get that thing posted.

[1593] So I don't know.

[1594] I mean, people are primed for it right now.

[1595] They follow along and are super invested in it.

[1596] And it'd be awesome to get it out quick.

[1597] Listen, I'm your manager now.

[1598] So I'm going to make some calls.

[1599] We're very decided.

[1600] We're going to make things happen quicker.

[1601] Yeah.

[1602] You got me running.

[1603] You got me doing a lot of shit, dude.

[1604] You got me doing a lot of things that I didn't think I'd be doing.

[1605] Oh, that's awesome.

[1606] So I owe you.

[1607] Well, good.

[1608] So I'm going to make some calls.

[1609] I owe you, too, for giving me this to talk about the platforms.

[1610] Well, listen, I really do think that it's made a big impact.

[1611] And I think you and Rinella and Remy Warren and Adam and the people that I've had on it and Jim Shockey and, you know, real representatives.

[1612] of the noble pursuit, the real, the real, like, hardcore enthusiasts that truly have a deep love of nature, and they're giving these people this, this platform, and given these people this, this way to communicate these ideas, I think the millions and millions of people that have listened to you guys, it's changed perception, and I think that, that perception, there's a ripple effect, and that perception is going to lead people to maybe read your book, Or, you know, read maybe Rinella's book, Meat Eater, or maybe listen to some of these books on tape, or maybe, you know, look into Aldo Leopold or look into some of these people that have really been these huge figures in conservation and the love of wildlife and hunting.

[1613] And they'll get a different understanding of it than people have had because of movies, like that split movie where the hunters are portrayed as a child molester.

[1614] Well, it's like right now, you know, you said hunting was dying or, you know, the, I was.

[1615] That was the fear.

[1616] And now, like, in my Instagram page, it's 20 -year -old guys, you know, that are into it and are buying bows.

[1617] And the bow wreck back home is packed.

[1618] And, you know, Eva Shockey and I will do appearances.

[1619] And we have a line that goes for hours, you know, young girls waiting for her because she's a hunter, you know.

[1620] And her book coming out, taking aim is about that lifestyle.

[1621] So, I mean, I feel like we're sort of turning the corner maybe a little bit.

[1622] And so we just keep that momentum going.

[1623] I think for sure it's turning the corner.

[1624] I mean, as far as what I see in the communication that I get with people online, I mean, the bow rack, are they experiencing an upjump in sales?

[1625] Yeah, I mean, Wayne, yeah, I mean, Wayne, the other day, like, I can't even remember what day it was, but he sold something like 40 bows.

[1626] A day.

[1627] In a day.

[1628] That's crazy.

[1629] Yeah.

[1630] That's like, for folks I don't know, that's like 50 ,000 plus dollars in bows in a day.

[1631] And Bose are a specialized thing.

[1632] It's not something that people, you know, it's a very, there's a steep learning curve to get involved.

[1633] You know, like we were talking about it, about if there was a Hoyt Academy.

[1634] Yeah.

[1635] In California, if there's a place to go.

[1636] There's not a whole lot of places to go.

[1637] Like when you took Scott Eastwood, you went to that place down in Riverside?

[1638] Yeah.

[1639] Is Riverside, R Street?

[1640] Is that what it was?

[1641] Yep.

[1642] There's a few great places like that.

[1643] Yeah.

[1644] But there's 30 million people here.

[1645] I know.

[1646] There might be five of those spots.

[1647] Yeah.

[1648] You know, I would love it if Hoyt had a place where, ideally, they had more than one place, you know, where people could go and you would get fitted, they would find out what's your proper draw length, you know, what weight should you start at, what, you know, weight arrows should you start at.

[1649] Someone could teach you how, what the proper form is, how to release an arrow correctly.

[1650] Yeah.

[1651] And really understand, just, I mean, even if someone never wants to hunt, just understand the meditative and beautiful effect of just launching an arrow at a target and have it hit that X. The witchery of archery.

[1652] Witchery?

[1653] Yeah.

[1654] Is it witchery?

[1655] That's a book.

[1656] Oh, really?

[1657] Or the witchcraft of archery.

[1658] Oh.

[1659] Or Zen and the Art of Archery is a great book as well.

[1660] I think that's a book, The Witchcraft of Archery.

[1661] Does it?

[1662] Look that up?

[1663] Hmm.

[1664] I'm almost positive.

[1665] I read it.

[1666] Really?

[1667] Mm -hmm.

[1668] Jamie, come on, help me out.

[1669] You're leaving me hanging.

[1670] I definitely...

[1671] The witchcraft of archery.

[1672] Is it?

[1673] No?

[1674] Yes.

[1675] Nope.

[1676] Come on.

[1677] It's probably only one copy.

[1678] Guy handed it to you.

[1679] I'm going to look it out.

[1680] I wrote this.

[1681] Oh, you don't believe him.

[1682] Wow.

[1683] The witchcraft of archery.

[1684] Here we go.

[1685] Witchcraft of archery.

[1686] Witchcraft plus archery.

[1687] It's not looking good, is it?

[1688] Archery, Witchcraft, page.

[1689] Page.

[1690] Megan, Sports and the Witch, spellwork.

[1691] Oh, no. Nope, not looking good.

[1692] The witchcraft of archers, according to the famous.

[1693] I thought I read something like that.

[1694] All right.

[1695] Okay, can we edit this part out?

[1696] Nope.

[1697] Just kidding.

[1698] The sorcery of archery.

[1699] Yeah, it's a beautiful discipline.

[1700] I mean, even if someone never chooses.

[1701] And honestly, if you really want to get into hunting, just to start.

[1702] up hunting you probably just start with a rifle anyway it's a far easier way to do it no no don't say that or wear ear plugs if you do do it you don't want to blow your ears out yeah for sure another problem that I'm running into is a lot of people who've been hunting for a good portion of their life yeah have bad hearing I know my ears ring all the time from when I rifle hunted that's crazy when I was just a kid because I used to go shoot my 300 Winchester magnum up at the rock pit I mean this thing was so loud and I used to love shooting and I was like oh you're a pussy if you were I mean, nobody wore hearing protection.

[1703] Isn't that crazy?

[1704] It's just like nobody wore bike helmets either, you know what I mean?

[1705] So it's the same type of thing, but now my ears just ring.

[1706] All the time?

[1707] Yeah, all the time.

[1708] That shows your tasted music.

[1709] That's why.

[1710] Why?

[1711] I listen to some of your Instagram stories, listen to the music you're listening.

[1712] I'm like, Jesus Christ.

[1713] No, that's good music.

[1714] When your ears are ringing, like, it sounds better.

[1715] What, the country or the rap or what?

[1716] Some of the rap you listen to.

[1717] No, the rap is good.

[1718] Me and Adam listened.

[1719] We drove to Sydney for two hours, and I think we listened to Kendrick Lamar, his new song, like, probably 20 times.

[1720] Wow.

[1721] In a row?

[1722] Yes.

[1723] Did you guys, like, sing the words along?

[1724] Like, look out the window.

[1725] We still don't really even know.

[1726] Did you sing along with the N -word?

[1727] Or do you guys get silent during that part?

[1728] It's just kind of, uh, do, zoo -z -z -z -ha.

[1729] That is a funny thing, man, with white people.

[1730] Like, what are we supposed?

[1731] supposed to do what are we supposed to do when it gets to that part of the song i know it's called be humble oh be humble that's a song no that's a song oh be humble and then be humble too when the n word comes up just it's that realized it's actually be humble bitch be humble oh really yeah oh it's a good one that's a mixed message do you know that one jami yeah yeah i was gonna i was gonna ask you how they liked that new album and down in australia with the kendrick comar yeah yeah did he know about it until you brought up to him?

[1732] Well, no, he made fun of me always put in my instant, my music on the Insta story.

[1733] That you used rap a lot?

[1734] No. You like a lot of rap, though.

[1735] Yeah, and country.

[1736] That's kind of what I listen to.

[1737] But then, he had this song, and I'm like, okay, hey, where the hell do you think you learned this song from?

[1738] For me. And what did he say?

[1739] I don't know.

[1740] Made something out.

[1741] Yeah, we probably lied.

[1742] Are there any Australian rappers?

[1743] I think there are.

[1744] Not that anybody knows, but I remember we had the radio on down there and there was some rap on there.

[1745] I had no idea what it was, so it has to be from there.

[1746] Well, there's so many different rappers now, though.

[1747] There's no way you could know all the stuff.

[1748] It's like we've reached a weird saturation point with music where there is no got, I mean, every year they're coming out with new music.

[1749] Yeah, I know, but, I mean, you get used to certain sounds or certain styles, and this was like something I had never, I've listened to a lot.

[1750] I was in Brazil.

[1751] You were in Brazil with me. Yeah.

[1752] But one time when I was in Brazil I was listening to some rap music Some Brazilian rap I was like this is badass Yeah I hope what they're saying isn't stupid Because it's I don't understand Portuguese But it sounds badass Yeah it's a great I think it would be great to work out too Yeah You don't know what it's not as distracting Right like if their lyrics are corny Yeah Yeah I don't know I don't know But I think there is Australian rap But it's not Kendrick Lamar Be humble Iggy Azalia It's the Oh, right now Yeah But Iggy Zilia?

[1753] She's from there?

[1754] She's from Australia?

[1755] Oh She's white White privilege Don't they have any black people over there?

[1756] They do, right?

[1757] But my expats American expats Sneak over there Yeah, I'm not sure Okay That's one of the few places I would live outside of America Yeah Like if the shit hit the fans Canada and Australia Those are my spots Yeah, it's cool I mean Sydney traffic Is ridiculous though They fucking drive on the wrong side of the road.

[1758] They're all confused.

[1759] Yeah.

[1760] They're over on the left.

[1761] Like, what are you doing over here?

[1762] Go over there.

[1763] Go over there.

[1764] Let's switch this around.

[1765] Everybody.

[1766] That's probably why it's all messed up.

[1767] Yeah.

[1768] Like, look, the roads are in place.

[1769] Everything, the gut roads in the right spot.

[1770] Driving the other side.

[1771] Yeah.

[1772] Simple fix.

[1773] Yeah.

[1774] Simple fix.

[1775] How is Sydney so traffic filled?

[1776] I mean, how many people live in Sydney?

[1777] Five million.

[1778] Whoa.

[1779] That's crazy.

[1780] Yep.

[1781] Five million.

[1782] That's crazy.

[1783] No. Okay.

[1784] Think of that.

[1785] Because there's 30 million people in all of Australia, right?

[1786] Or is it less?

[1787] I think it's a little less.

[1788] Probably less.

[1789] Okay, let's say it's 20 million.

[1790] So it's, that would be like if there was 75 million in Los Angeles.

[1791] Yeah, that percentage of the population.

[1792] Yeah.

[1793] It'd be more.

[1794] It'd be like 80 million.

[1795] Like 80 million people just in Los Angeles.

[1796] Yeah.

[1797] There's only like, like a few big city, I mean, like Melbourne, or I'd probably Set it wrong.

[1798] 23 .78 million in all of Australia.

[1799] And Fiverr in Sydney.

[1800] Jesus Christ, that's crazy.

[1801] 25 % of the entire population.

[1802] It's a beautiful city, though.

[1803] I love it.

[1804] Sydney's really awesome.

[1805] Yeah.

[1806] No, it's great.

[1807] It's just we were going to go to the bow shop.

[1808] And I said, you know, I go to the bow shops in Sydney, right?

[1809] He's like, yeah, I said, how long is it going to take to get there?

[1810] So we did it on the map quest thing or whatever, an hour.

[1811] That's like, I said, this is like L .A. This sucks.

[1812] An hour.

[1813] It's in the same city.

[1814] I didn't expect that Well, up there in Eugene, everything is fine You don't have to worry about shit up there You got two lane roads There's no cars If you don't make it through one traffic light cycle You're like, what the hell is going on?

[1815] I gotta wait?

[1816] This is bullshit Well, you get used to a place like that man You know, and life is nice and calm And it feels different Like life feels different in a small town It's like there's a, I feel like This is some woo -woo spiritual bullshit that I have no science behind whatsoever.

[1817] But I feel like people give off energy.

[1818] And I feel like cities, whether or not, something's happened or not, the amount of humans in there, there's a certain amount of energy that you feel.

[1819] And when you're in a smaller town, you're calmer.

[1820] Yeah.

[1821] I really believe that.

[1822] I feel like there's less...

[1823] And I don't think it's just the activity, just cars.

[1824] And I think it's the actual amount of humans in an area.

[1825] Like, there's some sort of a psychic energy that they get.

[1826] give off.

[1827] You're not buying it.

[1828] I don't know.

[1829] Jamie's not buying it either.

[1830] Maybe the witchery of archery.

[1831] Ha ha ha!

[1832] Maurice Thompson, I knew it.

[1833] I have that book.

[1834] 1878.

[1835] What is witchery?

[1836] Is that a real word?

[1837] I told you.

[1838] I was right.

[1839] You were right.

[1840] I've redeemed.

[1841] Five out of five stars in Barnes & Noble.

[1842] It's a good book.

[1843] Wow.

[1844] So it's in Barnes & Noble?

[1845] Yes.

[1846] Can I get it on a Kindle?

[1847] Find out if I can get it on a Kindle?

[1848] Mm. Yeah.

[1849] Wichry of archery.

[1850] Speaking of a whole different, I don't know what you just said, but I'm going to be in my cubicle tomorrow.

[1851] No, you want.

[1852] You got to quit that job, dude.

[1853] Today?

[1854] Yeah.

[1855] Should I just call right now?

[1856] Let me call for you.

[1857] Oh, yeah, you're my manager.

[1858] Yeah, I'm your manager.

[1859] Kendall, nice.

[1860] $5 .99.

[1861] I'm getting it.

[1862] Thank you.

[1863] Thank you, young Jamie.

[1864] The witchery of archery.

[1865] And if my fucking Kindle and I try to enter it in, it's like, nope, nothing exists.

[1866] I'm like, Listen, bitch.

[1867] I've already gone through this.

[1868] All right.

[1869] Yeah, it's so crazy that you keep a full -time job.

[1870] It's just, I don't understand how you do it.

[1871] And that's also with a lot of people that get involved in hunting, the amount of time that it takes.

[1872] Like, people don't have the time.

[1873] Like, I was listening to Jason Carter on some podcast who was talking about pursuing one individual buck for like two weeks.

[1874] Yeah.

[1875] And I was like, who the fuck has two weeks to go after one animal?

[1876] Yeah, that's tough.

[1877] Crazy.

[1878] Who's got that kind of time?

[1879] Only like a real crazy, four people.

[1880] Pro type character.

[1881] Yeah, that's, you know, it takes time.

[1882] I mean, it's just, even just the dedication to regular practice takes time for archery.

[1883] That's the next level.

[1884] There's not, I mean, archery is, it's, it really is, in terms of hunting, it really is the ultimate pursuit, the ultimate in difficulty.

[1885] But that's what I stop at the compound thing.

[1886] People are like, you got to try traditional archery.

[1887] Yeah.

[1888] Compound archery is for pussies.

[1889] Settle down.

[1890] Yeah.

[1891] Enough is enough.

[1892] How about kill it with a rock?

[1893] How about you kill it with a rock?

[1894] Like a cave person did.

[1895] Why are you wearing shoes, pussy?

[1896] I was wondering.

[1897] Yeah, I know.

[1898] I was wondering how anybody would kill with a recurve where I was hunting because I said my 245 feet per second bow was slow.

[1899] Right.

[1900] That'd be super fast for a traditional bow.

[1901] Oh, yeah.

[1902] So, I mean, I could imagine with those deer, they'd just, I don't know.

[1903] It'd be very tough, very tough.

[1904] The area that you were in.

[1905] Probably could.

[1906] Oh, well, they wouldn't know you were there.

[1907] Yeah, yeah.

[1908] But it sounds like the area you were in, they were very unnaturally hyped up.

[1909] Like, they were unnaturally wired because they've been hunted by so many people.

[1910] I think they're just normally wired, but when people kill them is when they're rutting.

[1911] You know, and so they're distracted because it's a breeding season.

[1912] Yeah.

[1913] So this is post -rut.

[1914] Those bucks are not even with does at all, and they're, you know, just tuned in.

[1915] Yeah.

[1916] But during the rut, it would be easier.

[1917] It would just be like hunting elk during the road as opposed to not.

[1918] Or hunting a dude at a club with a boner.

[1919] Right?

[1920] People get distracted.

[1921] I've never hunted a dude with a bonner.

[1922] I'm glad.

[1923] I'm glad to hear that.

[1924] I was wondering.

[1925] I have questions.

[1926] Sometimes I get a, I beat around the bush to get to the answer.

[1927] Oh, I got.

[1928] I got what you're doing right there.

[1929] Yeah, it is a, this, it's funny how these different animals have, like, different seasons.

[1930] that they come into like the idea that only one time a year they breed like they're a mammal it's not like a dog like dogs want to fuck all the time yeah but like deer one time a year yeah everything starts popping nature says listen this is how it works you want to have a baby in a spring so a way to do this you got to do it in the fall yeah okay in the fall you got to get cracking and then she's got take some time to cook up that baby and drop that baby in the spring and then but it's bizarre yeah there's actually some bucks that were, they call it croaking, which is grunting, because they weren't really the full rut, but some doughs that didn't get bred the first season.

[1931] If they don't get bread, they come back into heat.

[1932] So we call them second cycle do those.

[1933] They were coming in.

[1934] So the bucks, I mean, they'll do it whenever.

[1935] They just got to wait for the female.

[1936] Right.

[1937] So the bucks were actually still sort of rutting a little bit.

[1938] We heard some croaking.

[1939] So it just wasn't full on.

[1940] No, there's just a few does that hadn't been bred.

[1941] Well, that's one of the coolest things about elk hunting.

[1942] There's nothing like the rut.

[1943] When you hear elk screaming, like, if the people have never experienced that before, even if you have no desire to hunt, please go to a place where elk live during the rut just to hear it.

[1944] Because it is so wild.

[1945] They're so loud.

[1946] And the sound sounds like something from the Lord of the Rings.

[1947] It doesn't even seem real.

[1948] And you're going to be in Utah this year.

[1949] Oh, yeah.

[1950] Remember that?

[1951] We're going to Utah.

[1952] I'm very excited.

[1953] Yeah.

[1954] Yeah, well, we're definitely going to film some stuff there.

[1955] Yeah.

[1956] We're definitely going to film some stuff.

[1957] We'll do some Instagram stories.

[1958] Yeah, we'll definitely get some footage.

[1959] And we're definitely, I mean, we got some footage from last year when you and I were into Hone Ranch that I put up on Instagram and some elk screaming.

[1960] Oh, yeah.

[1961] We were pretty far away.

[1962] Yeah, we were a couple hundred yards away, and it's wide open.

[1963] Yeah.

[1964] Whereas Utah is a little bit more wooded, and we'll try to get a little bit closer.

[1965] Yeah, those bowls will be coming close.

[1966] I'm very excited.

[1967] Oh, I can't wait either.

[1968] I can't wait just to see you.

[1969] I can't wait.

[1970] Yeah, I mean, thanks for introducing me to this man It's changed my life, it really has It's been great to share it with you And it's been great to have you on to share it with other people And just share not just that But your entire disciplined approach To this whole lifestyle that you live I think it's very inspiring to people I think it's very important And you're a shining beacon out there, Cameron Haynes So keep hammering as it were And your podcast keep hammering We've got a new episode that you just gave to Jamie So it'll be up today.

[1971] Jamie's going to post it today.

[1972] Young Jamie's on the ball.

[1973] Yes.

[1974] All right, ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back at 1 .30 p .m. with Jordan Peterson, and I'm fixing to go check out the new studio.

[1975] We're signing the lease today, folks.

[1976] It's popping.

[1977] We're very excited.

[1978] I'm going to show Cam, too.

[1979] All right.

[1980] We'll be back soon, and so, yeah, that's it.

[1981] See you soon.

[1982] We know.