#648 - Adam Scorgie

[0] Hey, what's up, Adam?

[1] How are you, buddy?

[2] I'm doing good, brother.

[3] You yourself?

[4] Good, man. What's happening?

[5] Thank you so much for having me on, man. I was a big fan of the show and not just a friend, so I'd love coming on here.

[6] Dude, we've known each other a long time now.

[7] It's getting weird.

[8] Getting weird.

[9] Getting weird.

[10] Getting weird.

[11] It's getting on there.

[12] Well, man, I always brag about, like, how cool it was, because you were busy as shit when you did the culture high.

[13] Because everybody always asked being, you know, fans of the show.

[14] They're like, man, Rogan seems so cool.

[15] I'm like, you came to Evanton to do that.

[16] You were doing your show.

[17] It was after your show, Pax show at the River Cree.

[18] Yeah.

[19] And then we started the interview at like 11.

[20] We didn't get done until 1 .30 in the morning.

[21] Then you had to fly out in the morning.

[22] Yeah, it was a couple hours later, I believe.

[23] Yeah.

[24] I just think your fan should know how cool it is that you do so much to try to help other people.

[25] I'm really appreciated it, man, that you took the time and did that when crazy.

[26] You flew in that day, did your show, went for dinner, came afterwards, bust out two and a half hours, and flew home a couple hours later.

[27] I think that's really cool, man. Oh, well, thanks, man. There's not that hard.

[28] Just talking.

[29] Not that big deal.

[30] You know how to talk?

[31] I can do that.

[32] But the documentary was really good, man. Culture High was, you got, I mean, I was wondering.

[33] I was like, man, where are they going to take it?

[34] Because you guys covered so much of marijuana, prohibition in the Union.

[35] There's two documentaries at Amsterdam, the Union, which is all about BC and what's going on in British Columbia, as far as the economy, which is just inexorably wrapped up in the cannabis market.

[36] It's really kind of crazy.

[37] The world of British Columbia, like literally the economy up there would kind of implode if pot went away.

[38] Well, they compare like tourism's number one, and then it was like a close second.

[39] Because how do you determine exactly what black market money is?

[40] But it was in that estimates were not being questioned at the $5 to $7 to $9 billion range of the black market of the marijuana industry, right?

[41] So much weed.

[42] So much being shipped.

[43] And majority of it at that time was going to the United States, right?

[44] Yeah, yeah.

[45] So we looked at that because originally the reason we did the union and looked focused so much on the BC industries, I looked at getting into it.

[46] I came back from New York and all the guys that, like, I went to school with and stuff were growing and were doing really well.

[47] They had nice new houses, new Harleys living on the lake, and that's even where the name the union came up from when I was like, dude, what the fuck is he been doing?

[48] He's doing really well.

[49] And they're like, man, he's in the union.

[50] I'm like, which one?

[51] I want to sign up.

[52] And they're like, he grows dope.

[53] And I'm like, oh, that's how he's making his money.

[54] Yeah, well, that first documentary It was really fascinating And it put you guys on the map And it took a while before you decided To do another one on pot But you would Like I was like Where are they gonna come up with other shit You talk about Because you covered everything so thoroughly Well thank you We were the same problem Like Brett was really stressed about that The director like he was just like man He's like I thought I did it all in the union Like what what can I do But the fans really wanted another one Like when you had me on the last time We were doing the Kickstarter campaign And we were just receiving thousands of messages and everybody's like you got to do another one you got to do another one so Brett really dove into as you saw a human culture in politics right and then kind of fitting we went big into looking at the how policing has changed in our culture because of the drug war where one of the biggest assets that police had is information to prevent new crimes but something that's happened almost strictly because of the drug war because of the way that the ratting system goes like hey, we catch you for a minor possession and you've already got parole, you give us the bigger guys and we'll abolish your thing and you won't go to jail.

[55] Well, people saw their brothers, cousins, mothers, family members getting arrested for simple possession and serving two to three years, that they were like, well, I don't want to talk to the police anymore.

[56] So when a violent crime happens, rape, murder, something really heinous, you don't want to talk to the cops because you're like, he might start grinding on me for simple drug possession or something like that, right?

[57] Right.

[58] And the cops we interviewed said, like, during their career, they specifically witnessed the change like in the beginning of their career and they're in their twenties they go through communities and people would come up to them and want to see their badge and take a picture and see their handcuffs and it was like cool by the end of their career they would drive down neighborhoods and nobody wanted to talk to them right because it just felt that they're warring on us it's us versus them versus being you know serving and protecting the community wow that's fucked the the scene where the guy has his dog shot or the cops break into his house and there was nothing there i mean he had like paraphernalia they found a pipe with resin shoot his dog his little kids i mean you and i both have kids like could you imagine people coming in your house like shooting your dog in front of your house like and it was a little yappy dog yeah it wasn't like some fucking war rottweiler or something like that it's just it's so sick because they do it to intimidate the people and to let the people know they mean business and because they can you know you know that story about the mayor who lives outside of dc they accidentally did this to him yes i i i heard about that yeah it would have been a good story i was wondering if you were going to cover it in the documentary it's a crazy story for folks who don't know about it this guy the apparently the postman was having pot shipped to this house because he knew that this was on his route so he would just intercept it and so like he knew that the package was from his friend so he would he would look at all the packages that came to this guy's house and because it was in a nice area a lot of people wouldn't question it.

[59] Well, somehow or another, the DEA got winded to this.

[60] They realized that a package was coming to this guy's house.

[61] And so they just decided to raid the dude's house.

[62] They kick in the door, wave in the four four.

[63] All you heard was Papa don't hit me, you know?

[64] They shoot the guy's dog and then they ran out.

[65] They had labs, you know, like which are like the friendliest dogs ever.

[66] Ever.

[67] The dog ran out into the yard to hide and they went and found him and shot him.

[68] You know, I mean, they executed him.

[69] They shot two dogs.

[70] And then they zip tied the family um and this guy was a fucking mayor you know and he's like oh you cunts i can't believe but it's kind of good for it not for the dogs obviously to get shot but for a guy like that to see like this is what happens when you're a regular person if they don't know you you know they don't know about your relationship with city hall or any of that nonsense they just this is how they treat you if they can well and then you can imagine if you're from a lower economic situation right now you're stuck in the legal system good luck right trying to get out of that and fight your way out you are looked at as a criminal from day one even if you're innocent and we go deep into the asset forfeiture laws in the film too right where they take everything in certain states and then you have to prove that they didn't have the right to take in the first place that that wasn't proceeds of crime right go in and take it's funny because that opening scene like people are shocked by it but i've received a lot of people that were really like huge and they are so mad they're like that was not needed in the film it's ridiculously i stopped watching as soon as you put it there Well, they're babies.

[71] They need to realize this is what's going on.

[72] I mean, you're doing a documentary on disturbing things.

[73] You want to leave out the disturbing things from the documentary and disturbing things?

[74] Exactly.

[75] Like, in the theater, when you watch it with a crowd, which is always my favorite part as a filmmaker, when you can really see it having an impact and you see the audience right there, that wakes everybody up.

[76] The credits come in and it's like, boom, that happens.

[77] And everybody's like, oh, shit, okay, we're going on a ride here, right?

[78] Yeah.

[79] Yeah, that's, well, it's an awful ride.

[80] You know, that really hurts my villain's that one.

[81] That's hard to deal with.

[82] That asset forfeiture law is really fucked, too.

[83] There's a guy who is a store owner, and he had made, apparently, he made too many deposits that were less than $10 ,000 in cash.

[84] And they accused him of, you know, I guess they have some thing called structuring or something like that.

[85] And the idea being, like, I'll pull this image or the story rather, because it's kind of a fucked up story, man. Because this guy was just a store owner.

[86] I mean, there's no evidence.

[87] whatsoever that this guy has done anything wrong.

[88] I mean, he's doing all these interviews in his store.

[89] He would take some of the money from his store.

[90] You know, I don't know if he put it in a safe or whatever and he would get up to, you know, 8 ,000, 9 ,000 bucks and just go deposit it in the bank.

[91] I thought there was no big deal.

[92] The DEA came in and just stole all of his fucking money.

[93] Like literally stole all of his fucking money.

[94] And now this guy is stuck.

[95] And now you have to go spend all the money to try to argue.

[96] Yeah, more than they stole.

[97] I'm sure.

[98] You know, it's crazy.

[99] Well, that's the part, you know, through both films, it was so, I think, shocking for us is when you sit down with all these ex -law enforcement, because in the culture, we sat down with Sean Dunnigan, who was a former DEA analyst, and you sit down with...

[100] Yeah, you got it, Jamie.

[101] That's it.

[102] I just pulled it off of...

[103] Here's a gentleman.

[104] He's a convenience store owner.

[105] Structuring policy.

[106] So what is that?

[107] If they see too many deposits just conveniently under $10 ,000, they consider it?

[108] Yeah.

[109] I mean, but this guy...

[110] guy, he just owns a convenience store.

[111] He gets cash.

[112] I mean, it's all right there.

[113] It's all super obvious.

[114] And the guy's gone, you know, public with it all.

[115] So it's a massive embarrassment for the IRS.

[116] They're just, it's just evil.

[117] It's just the fact that they think that they can do this, you know, like there's no evidence whatsoever.

[118] Suspicion of structuring is what they call.

[119] And by the way, that violates their own requirements.

[120] It's not, like, they have, like, requirements that you have to meet in order for them to take the money if they accuse you of structuring there has to be some evidence whatsoever but there's nothing and they're continuing to pursue it well the DEA's been getting hit hard lately because you've seen Michelle Lionheart stepped down right she's a fucking dummy oh my god that lady's so dumb well that clip is so good I mean it's been all over but we use it in the culture high too right where that guy just grills her right it's like is meth more for you that marijuana Oh, all drugs are bad.

[121] Again.

[122] All illegal.

[123] Again, all drugs are bad.

[124] Yeah, that part.

[125] She's so dumb.

[126] It's amazing that that lady figured out a way to get that gig.

[127] She is so poorly equipped to discuss the nature of addiction and drugs in front of the whole world like that.

[128] You could see her deer in the headlights look.

[129] Did you fucking prepare for this at all, lady?

[130] Well, I think Jank in the film, he does a great part where he explains.

[131] He's like, you know, Obama could have picked anyone.

[132] He's like, why did he pick the most right winger republican he's like because in that way he'll see more moderate and it might help him to get votes in the future and yep that's exactly what it is it's just he's really good at playing that stupid fucking politician well it's that line that janky's in the film that i love and he's like and that's what people doesn't nobody gets about obama he's a politician just like the rest of them right don't be mistaken there's no other way to get to that position where you're gonna actually get in the white house you're one of those two guys you know the commission for presidential debates is a privately owned institution people don't a lot of people don't know like can you see those guys that are being uh that are debating each other on television you figure like well those guys are the the most popular candidates this is not exactly you know no they're the ones marketed correctly and have the money behind them yeah you have to just in order to get into the commission for presidential debates um to to get into the uh the debate you have to have 15 % uh polling in five polls and they can choose those polls They can just go and decide.

[133] Who chooses?

[134] Who chooses that?

[135] The people that run the commission for presidential debates, which is owned by, like, some multinational corporations and there's a bunch of fuckery involved.

[136] Well, they let Ron Paul in, or excuse me, the fuck's his name, the old dude, but Ross Perrault.

[137] Ross Perrault.

[138] Ross Perot fucked everything up for everybody.

[139] So when Ross Perrault, people who don't remember Ross Perot, he was this crazy Texas billionaire who, you know, accused.

[140] essentially the IRS and the federal bank of running this crazy pyramid scheme and you know I mean he was talking about the federal bank and the federal reserve long before anybody ever understood that the federal reserve had nothing to do with federal I mean they call it the federal reserve it's like it's a privately owned company yeah it's kind of hilarious that all of our money goes through that I mean the hustle runs so deep and has been going on for so long but Ross Perrault was this billionaire dude who this is pre -internet and he bought out time on television and put his own television show on and had like fucking charts and graphs and showed where the money was going and everybody was like whoa what like he was the big he was like the first blip of this information uh that getting it out there to the public that is now like all over the internet all over the internet you know like people of this day and age like you talk you talk to the average 20 year old kid today and ask her like how the federal reserve works and I bet There's a lot of them that'll go.

[141] I'll tell you exactly how it works.

[142] Yeah.

[143] Or if they don't know.

[144] If they don't know exactly, they're at least hip to it that it's a private corporation and they're definitely.

[145] That access, you guys talking about a lot here on the podcast, but that access to information has changed the game.

[146] There's no more of those, I used to call them Toppers in high school that like whatever story you had, like you had a cool story and they'd be like, yeah, well, this one time, I'd like, how would you like, like now you can be like, okay, so when were you there and you said you met such and such celebrity?

[147] Well, he wasn't there on those days.

[148] right he was touring like now you can call out that bullshit yeah you could snopes it or like the urban legend that was you know when I was in high school was like that guy did so much acid he thought he was an orange or a banana and now he just just scared don't peel me don't peel me and now you snobs and everybody's like no that's a common misconception of a guy that I'm sure maybe somewhere down the road there was someone that thought something similar but that was like the scare story urban legend that you'd heard when I was going to high school yeah I didn't find I found out about snopes through the the rocket one where the guy like tied a rocket to his car and flew into a mountain and died.

[149] I remember hearing about that.

[150] I was like, what?

[151] It was like one of those Darwin Awards won.

[152] But then Snopes was like, eh, I don't think so.

[153] Wasn't true?

[154] It might have been.

[155] The thing about that is, like, you know, for sure, if someone has a rocket and someone has a car, there's someone dumb enough to try to strap those two things together and see what's up.

[156] Like, it's not outside the realm of possibility.

[157] Absolutely not.

[158] It's not saying like a guy went to the moon and, you know, found a hubcap.

[159] after inheriting a nightclub for several years when I was younger I've seen tremendous amounts of stupid things happen especially when they're under the influence of alcohol you can't put it past what people will do every time you think you've seen it all a new one comes by and you're like okay now I've seen it all well that's how the whole political system is capable of working in the first places because like people really are dumb you really can trick a good giant chunk of the people and what we were talking about before but the commission for presidential debates now it's because Ross Perot came in and fucked up everything and he's probably the reason why Clinton got elected in the first place over Herbert Walker Bush the old man Bush but now because of that it's like virtually impossible they jacked it up from 5 % to 15 % and you would have to spend they think that a conservative estimate is 250 million dollars just in order to reach 15 % in popular polls and like any popular polls and so to get five and also they would have to pick those five like they could pick a few that you weren't in you know or that you didn't pull well in like oh no you know it's not like states that you definitely don't match with the overall consensus yeah it's just it's so it's just really weird that it's been so long and this hustle's been going on for so long and no one like no one in the political system no one in like the supreme court or in Congress, no one is stepping up to say, hey, why exactly do these guys get all this money?

[160] There's some weird people in the Supreme Court that are on.

[161] Oh, yeah.

[162] Oh, for sure.

[163] I actually started looking that up from guests you'd had on here that talked about that, and I started looking up some of those people.

[164] I'm like, are you kidding me that this guy's in a position of power?

[165] Like, that's fucking scary.

[166] Clarence Thomas.

[167] Remember all that shit with him and Anita Hill?

[168] He was at the pubic hair and her Coca -Cola and He was like a sexual harasser But that could have been bullshit too You know that's a good way to diffuse somebody You know just say he was talking shit about you know sex in the office And I just think that we've reached this weird point where the age of information And the old guard the way politics has always been done Which is through deception and cronyism and horse shit It's like they're not compatible with each other Because the age of information is going to slowly but surely expose all these things And certain things like I mean, I firmly believe that the Internet is the primary reason why marijuana is legal in Colorado.

[169] Marijuana is legal in Washington, D .C., marijuana is legal, which is really kind of crazy when you think about it.

[170] And it's changing all over the world like that, right?

[171] And I would totally agree we put that in the culture high, right?

[172] Yeah.

[173] Because now, you know, when politicians, like in the union, we have that clip of Ronald Reagan, and he's in that, I don't know what press conference, but he's like, you know, there's this new information in these signs, and I'm, you know, surprised the media hasn't made it.

[174] more available, but they, then they have, but they believe marijuana could be the most dangerous drug that is in use in our society today.

[175] Remember, it's that clip we have in our trailer?

[176] Well, nowadays, you can literally be like, okay, I'm on WebMD, like what study you're referring to?

[177] I'll look it up right now and come to my own conformed conclusion.

[178] But when he was doing those press conferences, you're like, hey, this is a man of stature and power.

[179] He's got information we're not privy to.

[180] Like, man, it is bad.

[181] He's got scientists that no shit, I don't.

[182] So now that's just pulled out of the woodwork.

[183] Like, you see it in, with With Mitt Romney, we have some good clips of him where they kind of challenge him on things, right?

[184] And like the old Barbara Bush said, like just say no to drugs.

[185] Like, you know, we show that scene with Jade and David, right, 500 seizures a day.

[186] And then he's taking the non -psychoactive CBD and now he's having one to two seizures a month.

[187] Which, by the way, is my friend's child as well, a different kid.

[188] But my friend's child did the exact same situation.

[189] And it's working great for him?

[190] Fantastic.

[191] His kid was having massive seizures all the time.

[192] He moved up to Seattle so that he could get him on CBD oil.

[193] Yeah.

[194] And now they're gone.

[195] Like, and the kid is much more engaging.

[196] He's, like, pretty severe autistic.

[197] Yeah.

[198] Well, and that's something with Jason, he's not sure how much was from the condition or how much was from the medication that Jaden took for, you know, the first seven years of his life.

[199] He'd had over 25 ,000 pills, right?

[200] A lot of them psychoactive pills.

[201] And it's sad that your friend has to move to another state in order to get something that is working.

[202] Yeah.

[203] We had a local girl in Colonna, too, Kylo Williams, that we did.

[204] We did a screening there, and we raised a whole bunch of money for her and presented a check for three grand, and they came to the screening.

[205] And same thing, they're fighting on the front line saying that, because Canada has this real hokey thing with it.

[206] Like, it's federally approved due to a court case, right, where they said it's unconstitutional to deny people that are getting relief from something, right?

[207] So the Canadian feds have, they dance around saying, well, we don't approve of it, but if people are seeing benefits, we can't prohibit them from getting it.

[208] So you can get like a license in Canada that will make it anywhere across the country that allows you to use it.

[209] But they don't allow concentrates like oils or edibles or anything like that.

[210] So for Kyla, who was only two or three at the time, essentially they're saying she has to smoke it.

[211] And her parents are like, that's ridiculous.

[212] Like we should be able to get the oil because that's considered a concentrate, right?

[213] So they're like, well, no, we're going to.

[214] And her grandfather is actually ex -law enforcement.

[215] And he said, I'm going to break the law.

[216] I used to think like everybody else because I used to arrest when people would bring up the marijuana medicinal argument as a law enforcement officer I'm like that's a bunch of hippie bullshit until it happened to my granddaughter now I see what everybody was arguing about right and I'm going to fight just as hard so that my daughter can get access to safe medical marijuana that works for her and She's responding tremendously like she's got her life back.

[217] She's focusing now seizures are that she's been seizure free That's great to hear man. It's great to hear but it's sad to hear that it's so difficult to get get it's sad to hear that it's it's such a complex issue but it's so simple i mean there's a plant it grows naturally and it's really good for you and it's that simple at the end right and it has benefits and if you regulate it and control it like other products recent studies have shown this is one of the most dangerous plants ever observed well i love what dangerous than strict nine well they always bring in the well that's everyone laughs in the theater when you bring up the popcorn analogy they're like they're like yeah they're like you know uh if you eat a pound a salt you'll fucking die right he's like but if you put a little bit of salt on popcorn it's actually quite good tastes good right like you can't like yes people can abuse just about anything yeah a pound of salt will fucking kill you you could go buy a pound of salt right now i mean any liquor store you go to you could drink yourself to death quite easily just go and just pick up a couple bottles of jack daniels and you're off to the races it's over former nightclub owner i've seen there's nothing more destructive than that stuff nothing it's horrible it's horrible that that's our sanctioned drug like we would have a totally different culture and the evidence is coming out of Denver.

[218] Denver has the lowest DUI rates they've ever recorded.

[219] They have lower rates of assault and murder than they've ever recorded.

[220] There's all these crazy numbers that are coming in.

[221] And then the tax revenue is off the charts.

[222] They're making so much fucking money.

[223] They have to give it back to the people.

[224] And sadly, that's the only thing that's probably going to push a lot of other states, right?

[225] It's not sad, though.

[226] It's good.

[227] No, it's good.

[228] It's good that's but it's sad that it's, I always get scared when it's the wrong moral reason of why they're doing it, right where it's that's the only reason and a politician will sell you on like well we want to help the people but it's really to make their pockets bigger yeah i mean it is sad but that's the nature of the beast that's like getting angry at a horror that she sucks your dick and now she wants money i thought it was good you were really moaning you probably enjoyed it come on good point we're not friends they're horrors they're all politicians are horrors man i mean that's really what they do that's their their job is to be fake and to get really good at being fake and figure out where the tide is turning.

[229] Lick their finger and put it up and find out what the wind is going.

[230] That's the exact thing we have you doing in the culture eye, right?

[231] We're going to go where the wind blows, right?

[232] We're going to go.

[233] That's from my hunting experience.

[234] Actually, you put powder in the air when you hunt.

[235] Shoot some powder up in the air and it takes you where the wind.

[236] Once we see the wind.

[237] Yeah, like baby shot.

[238] It's like these little things.

[239] You puff them in the air and it tells you which way the wind's blowing.

[240] But I think that what's happening now with information is because the fact that All these studies are out, and all these people that are involved in law enforcement have the opportunity to know someone who is benefiting from it, cancer, or whether it's people that have severe epilepsy, whether it's autism.

[241] There's so many different possible medical uses that could touch these people, and so they become very skeptical.

[242] Like, one of my good friends, he's a hardcore Republican.

[243] He's really silly.

[244] Like, he's one of those dudes.

[245] Like, he's trying to tell me Obama was a Muslim.

[246] We're at a party We're at a fucking party I laugh at that stuff from Canada I think that's really hilarious Obama's the biggest Muslim in the country Okay dude All right But this guy is his mom Got sick And stage four cancer And the CBD oils helped her Tremendously And now he's become this evangelist for it I mean he's still not engaging in himself Yeah But he You know You could benefit from it It's like all the things That people don't want at a pot Or the things that pot are good for Like this thing about Like, I don't want to lose control.

[247] Like, do you really do want to lose control.

[248] You just don't know.

[249] Like, your ego has this fucking terrible grip on you.

[250] And it's putting you in this very confined way of looking at the world.

[251] You have a very confined, narrow gap that you're looking at the world through.

[252] And things like marijuana will open that gap up and allow you to consider or reconsider your positions on all these things.

[253] And that's one of the most terrifying aspects of it to politicians as well.

[254] to law enforcement because the idea that they've been wrong this whole time and they're going to somehow or another have to justify all the different shit that they've done it's like once the cat's out of the bag like it is in Denver like it isn't Washington state that cat is going to get out of the bag everywhere and like you said the internet is allowed where all those individual personal stories all over the world can be shared in real time video you have HD on your phone right so you can film like jaden or jason did that with his son jaden where he recorded like how the medication was working the pharmaceutical and like in real time like here's what it's doing he's now having tremors he's now having this from you know so and then you can put it on the internet where other people can get informed like you couldn't do that years ago right it was like an urban myth way down i heard it might work and even we have a we have a personal clip that's in the DVD extras of the cult i that didn't make it in the film but it's about dr lester grinspoon right the first Ivy League doctor to start coming out with the real scientific evidence to cannabis, and he all did it on a bet to Carl Sagan.

[255] They were best friends, and Carl Sagan used to smoke three to four joints every day and go work at NASA.

[256] Paula!

[257] And discover, hey, some of the greatest theories to this day, you've been to Neil DeGrassegastard, like Carl Sagan is who everybody aspired to.

[258] And Lester, this is what's kind of funny about the story, is he went to prove Carl Sagan wrong.

[259] He said, he's like, I'm, you know, I'm a physician.

[260] I'm from heart.

[261] Like, Carl, that's just going to kill you.

[262] And Carl, be like, oh, relax, Lester.

[263] Have a puff.

[264] Like, it's not a big deal.

[265] So Lester started looking into the literature and started pulling it from all the different universities and then realized that he'd been duped.

[266] He's like, you can be fucking kidding me. I'm a Harvard professor.

[267] And I was telling all these people, and I was completely wrong.

[268] So then he wrote his first paper, which Harvard totally tried to back out of and they didn't want to give him his professorship of marijuana reconsidered.

[269] And then he wrote marijuana, the forbidden medicine.

[270] And then just as fate would have it, his son, Danny, gets diagnosed with Lekechie.

[271] chemia at 11 years old and he's ashamed of himself at the time that he didn't he's going through the regular treatment through the oncologist going through the chemo and everything and danny was getting really sick and the nausea affected his son more than anything right his kid would be terrified for a week in advance of how sick he was going to get and finally another physician was like well lester i read your stuff have you tried cannabis like the the stuff for antinausea seems to be amazing and the science is there and he was like well i don't want to upset harvard and danny's like two young and then here's the kind of the kicker of the story that's so funny is that they go to the very place that prohibition's supposed to keep it out of his mom and danny just go themselves because they're willing to try it they've read his paper at the manuscript they go to the local high school right and mrs grinspoon and danny asked their friends within 10 minutes they got the weed smoked it and his his oncologist said like right out thing he's like what did you guys do differently with danny he came in took his therapy left and actually ate a full six in sandwich one where usually he was puking for three or four days right he was actually able and lester's like it gave my son an extra two years of life because he could battle the nausea and keep some nutrition down it's those little wins with health that go such a long way when you're in the cancer thing right like if you're able to eat a little bit of food and get a little bit of nutrition and that little bit of nutrition helps your body to fight back on its own on top of the medication and that's where people can get caught up on the other side we're like it's the cure, it's the cure.

[272] Not the cure, right?

[273] As we interviewed oncologists, cancer is individual specific, DNA specific, gender specific.

[274] So what might work for you might not work for somebody else.

[275] But that doesn't mean that if it does work for someone that shouldn't be a viable option for them to use that.

[276] It's unquestionably a very effective treatment.

[277] There's been many, many peer -reviewed studies that show that without a doubt, cannabis has a positive effect on people with cancer.

[278] Whether it's helping them sleep, that's another big one.

[279] It gives people sleep, which helps your immune system, which helps your immune system fight off cancer.

[280] And it helps inflammation, which also helps your body fight off.

[281] A lot of stuff in inflammation.

[282] Yeah, there's just so many, so many factors that it's just, it's gross, man. It's gross.

[283] It's gross.

[284] It's gross that we're in this position where we actually have to debate this.

[285] This is like you and me sitting down talking about the benefits of drinking water.

[286] Yeah.

[287] It really is so stupid.

[288] Yeah, But if you drink too much mineral water, that water is what these hippie kids are on.

[289] They're fucking...

[290] I just think it's a matter of time, and hopefully we'll see it in our lifetime.

[291] I'm still amazed that it's still illegal.

[292] I mean, I remember when I was a kid in high school, I just think it was the dumbest fucking thing ever.

[293] I couldn't imagine that it had some...

[294] And I didn't even know the facts of it.

[295] I mean, all I knew was that, like, there was drugs and there was pot, and pot just kind of made you dopey.

[296] Yeah.

[297] But alcohol was legal.

[298] And I remember like, I remember the first time I ever got drunk.

[299] I was at my friend's house and we were listening to like fucking the doors and let Zepple and shit and drinking Jack Daniels.

[300] And I was like 14.

[301] I just never should have.

[302] I was threw up in a cab.

[303] It was disgusting.

[304] Everything about it was completely disgusting.

[305] But I remember like the next day, like it was horrible hangover and this pounding headache and thinking, how the fuck is that legal?

[306] Like you could just drink whatever you want.

[307] It's not even like they distributed to you.

[308] Like, you know, like if you go.

[309] and you say you get Adderall or Oxycontin or some sort of strong prescription drug.

[310] It comes in pill form.

[311] It says, take two pills.

[312] They give you a bottle of jack and they're like, good luck, fuck face.

[313] Then they advertise it like it's the sexiest thing ever, right?

[314] It's beautiful guys that are clean cut and girls that are smoking hot and you're having a drink and everything's perfect.

[315] As a former nightclub owner, I can say it hardly ever looks like that.

[316] It's messy.

[317] sweaty like it's not when I see those commercials I'm like that's very funny I was like you should film in my bar a little bit it doesn't look like that at all I mean and I'm not anti -alcohol it just it just staggers the imagination really either well and here's a point I thought about when we were doing the union like as a nightclub owner and it was a interesting self -reflection that came through because I was on the other side of weed I was very anti when I was younger because I bought into all the bullshit as was our and when I owned a nightclub when I we started doing the union and you started learning so much.

[318] I remember like after interviewing Norm Stamper, the former police chief of Seattle or Dr. Lester, like my mind would be spinning for two weeks.

[319] I'm just like, I can't believe this.

[320] Like I started looking at everything different.

[321] And then here I was a nightclub owner, serving people, booze that they want.

[322] And we're supposed to not overserve, but if you find me a bar, I will find you a time when they overserve, right?

[323] Like people come up that I go on six shots.

[324] You're like, well, no, actually, you're only supposed to order one per person.

[325] So can you get all six people to come to the table, please?

[326] The only bar where they don't over serve is at Disneyland.

[327] Yeah, probably that is right.

[328] For real, if you go to the Disneyland hotel, they're strict as fuck.

[329] Like, I tried to order four drinks.

[330] They wouldn't even give it to me. I'm not.

[331] They'd give you two drinks at a time.

[332] You're like, what?

[333] Like a shot in a beer.

[334] That's it.

[335] You know, or I don't even know if they have shots.

[336] I think they're like mixed drinks.

[337] That makes sense.

[338] But that's Disneyland.

[339] But when, at the bar, when we had it, like, I thought about like, you know, and you've seen it too.

[340] I've heard you talk about like, you know, seen the odd bar fight and stuff.

[341] And when something like that happened, I put it back to if it was in Prohibition days, right?

[342] like a fight happens, the guy gets knocked out really bad.

[343] Well, if it was during the days when you weren't supposed to be serving alcohol, I can just imagine what they did with the severely injured guy.

[344] They probably just threw him up the street and said, like, call an ambulance, so it's not anywhere near us, otherwise we go down.

[345] Right.

[346] Whereas at least now, like, you know, yes, there's problems associated with alcohol.

[347] There's almost nothing we're going to do in society that's not going to have some kind of problem or social aspect where we're going to have to adapt and make sure it works perfectly, right?

[348] Particularly, yeah.

[349] And I'm not anti -alcohol.

[350] And neither am I. I used to serve it.

[351] How can I?

[352] Like I said, sell it and make a profit.

[353] But it is the number one drug when it comes to, like, social problems, domestic violence.

[354] Like, so many different things go wrong when people drink.

[355] And it's everywhere.

[356] And the idea that somehow know that they've been able to demonize marijuana, which has the complete opposite effect.

[357] Show me a group of potheads that are engaged in gang violence.

[358] Like, they're beating each other up.

[359] They're meeting in the fucking park and duking it out.

[360] it's not gonna you're not going to I mean show me a bunch of people that are smoking pot that are you know running around getting in bar you know pot bar fights it doesn't it's the opposite is the and it was something that I witnessed organically when I was going through the discovery with the union like because at that time I own the bar right so I'd see it every weekend it was like fight someone drunk and it was crazy about booze the effect it has on people sometimes like people will fight their friends oh yeah they'll get drunk and like all of a sudden I'm like dude you guys are best friends and now you're willing to strike him in the face just because you're a little drunk?

[361] Like, that's crazy.

[362] But then we went to Hempfest where there's like 50 ,000 people smoking weed.

[363] No fights.

[364] It's like nothing.

[365] Everybody's like, you bump into someone.

[366] They're like terribly sorry, man. Sorry, dude.

[367] Sorry.

[368] I'm like, wow.

[369] I remember pointing that out being like, I can't believe there isn't like because we had a room full of 200 our capacity was only 235.

[370] And I mean, there's fights all the time.

[371] Well, imagine if you had like 50 ,000 people at Tequila Fest.

[372] You imagine what kind of a disaster?

[373] It's the start of the zombie apocalypse right there.

[374] Yeah, it would be like just a patch of people eating each other.

[375] It's a fucking horrible drug.

[376] But, again, I support it.

[377] It just, I just keep thinking that we're in the transitionary age.

[378] We're in the age where people are finally getting it.

[379] And that this, what's happened in Seattle and Colorado and Washington, D .C. is the first blip of this new movement that's going to spread across the country.

[380] And the politicians are going to have to adapt because politicians are horrors.

[381] And that is the good thing about them.

[382] Their ideology is based entirely in which way the wind's blowing.

[383] So because of that, it's kind of cool.

[384] Well, it's a business, right?

[385] Their prime objective is to win and get elected.

[386] Because not only them, but all the people that worked with them campaigning for the last year, they lose their jobs too, right?

[387] So get that Chris Christie fucker.

[388] Do you see that guy?

[389] He's still saying that marijuana is dangerous and addictive.

[390] Meanwhile, he's just ridiculously obese.

[391] They just did a study.

[392] I think it's so actually.

[393] He's so disgusting.

[394] They just did a report rather.

[395] They said he spent $82 ,000 in food at NFL games of taxpayers' money.

[396] Are you kidding me?

[397] I did not see that bad.

[398] $82 ,000 in food at NFL games.

[399] Wow.

[400] And this fucking guy who is morbidly obese just overflowing out of his shirts and his pants.

[401] Clear food addiction and eating addiction.

[402] Like clearly.

[403] 100%.

[404] And with, by the way, you know, I had this guy, Dr. Dan Engelley on the other day who was talking.

[405] He works with people with addictions and trying to treat these addictions like food addictions and sugar addictions in particular are one of the most difficult ones to treat because you've got to eat.

[406] Everybody eats.

[407] It's not like heroin.

[408] Like you can kick heroin and no one's like, dude, you've got to do a little heroin.

[409] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[410] You got to stay alive.

[411] Like you don't have to do a little heroin.

[412] Jamie and I were talking to this before you arrived and food, sugar, processed sugar was artificially put into a majority of our foods like back in the 70s and 80s so that you have a taste for it.

[413] That's why we're so.

[414] addicted to like like it's in things you don't even think about spaghetti sauce sandwich meats things like that you look you're like the sugar in this like yeah it's in everything i try to i go through the rings where i'm like i'm gonna go two weeks without sugar i've never succeeded i fail all the time i went a whole month without beating off ones shut up i'm documented it on my blog on my website i would i would fail that addiction test well i did it because i had to do you know i didn't have to do it but i had to do it because i said i was going to do it you know and i wrote about it but it was just ridiculous you find yourself becoming more more aggressive more no just horny all the time like people give me a hug and I get a heart I'm like what the fuck it's when you you you know say you're not gonna tell you don't realize like how much jerking off is like maintenance like it keeps you clear like you don't have the this overwhelming need this pulsating overwhelming need you know and you uh if you if you go 30 days without beating off you kind of understand that most people don't do that unless they have like a really low sex drive never gone that long but sugar um i've never tried i should i i have very much limit my sugar i limit my sugar try that too but i've tried a few weeks just to really cut it like really look at everything and and other than even then it i'd never succeeded but like fruit and stuff like at least natural sugar i wasn't as much but just process i'm like i'm gonna try to get nothing processed but then i have kids and stuff and the cupboard's full of shit and then And I'm like, oh, fuck it, I'll grab one of these.

[415] Yeah, the other day, my wife brought home crispy cream donuts.

[416] Oh, those are crack.

[417] Those already did it.

[418] Yeah.

[419] What have you done?

[420] There's no way if those came.

[421] If those came in the house, I crushed the whole thing.

[422] They're brutal.

[423] They're brutally good.

[424] You got to get the cream -filled ones because the regular ones, they're only good, like, right when they come out of the oven.

[425] But the regular ones, the cream -filled ones are good for days.

[426] I haven't had those ones.

[427] Glazed cream -filled.

[428] So we don't have crispy creams not in Canada too much.

[429] We have Tim Hortons.

[430] Tim Hortons can't carry Krispy Kreme's jockstrap.

[431] Okay, that's a fact.

[432] I've eaten Tim Horton's donuts.

[433] They're dog shit.

[434] They're all right.

[435] They're okay in a pinch.

[436] They're good, man. No, no, no, no. They're way better than Dunkin' Donuts.

[437] No, they're not.

[438] That's not true at all.

[439] Duncan donuts is fucking disgusting.

[440] No, that's not true at all.

[441] Boston cream donuts, those, those fucking, you ever have one of those?

[442] Tim Hortons are delicious.

[443] They're not the same.

[444] Canadians.

[445] Canadians are so into being Canadian.

[446] Yeah, we.

[447] I just love it.

[448] I love being Canadian.

[449] We are proud.

[450] It's a great country.

[451] Don't get me wrong.

[452] My favorite country other than America, without a doubt, is Canada.

[453] And they're the nicest people.

[454] And it's one of the reasons why it's so difficult to get up there.

[455] That's why people always say, when are you going to bring Joey Diaz up to?

[456] Joey Diaz has arm kidnapping on his resume.

[457] It's very fucking tough to get into Canada with arm kit.

[458] You can't even get into Canada if you had a bar fight.

[459] Now, both countries, same in the U .S. If you have a DUI, you can't come to the United States from Canada and you can't come from the to Canada.

[460] If you have a DUI, you are restricted from travel.

[461] Yeah, that's a good one.

[462] You know, if we could keep more people from driving drunk, it would be a way better place.

[463] But Canada is particularly stringent on the amount of people and the type of people that it lets in.

[464] And it's one of the reasons why I've always said it's such a nice country.

[465] It's like you guys, like you value good behavior up there.

[466] You value nice people.

[467] Well, another thing that's a big advantage for us, like when people make comparisons, because the culture is very similar in some way.

[468] and very different in a lot of ways.

[469] I find the United States is very polarized in there.

[470] Like, it's much more like, are you Republican or Democrat?

[471] Are you left or right?

[472] Are you religious or not?

[473] Not to say that doesn't exist in Canada, but I don't find it as intense as it is in the United States, but we have such a small population.

[474] Right.

[475] Like, there's more people in the state of California than our entire country.

[476] Yeah, which is really weird.

[477] So we don't have to deal.

[478] Like, when you get more and more people, you know, things get more and more complicated.

[479] There's different social structures and history and religious And you guys are dealing with shitty donuts.

[480] So there's that, too.

[481] I mean, you're always having to Tim Horton donuts.

[482] Timmy's are awesome, man. It's not awesome.

[483] It's awesome.

[484] Barely edible.

[485] There's much, much better.

[486] Highly disagree on that.

[487] They're good, man. I'll give crispy creams are awesome, but Timmy's are a close second.

[488] Not even, no. For up there, you have no choices.

[489] What else you got?

[490] I tried Dunkin' Donuts when I lived in New York, and I thought that it's disgusting.

[491] Please stop.

[492] I have no idea what you're talking about.

[493] You're making me sick.

[494] Isn't weird like we would give a fuck?

[495] Yeah.

[496] If you enjoy something, I don't?

[497] It's like, that's fighting words.

[498] You dissing my timies?

[499] You use Windows, dude.

[500] You should get a Mac.

[501] I don't even get in.

[502] I just have an old beat -up laptop that's still survived, and it's a Mac.

[503] I've had it for like eight years.

[504] Still works fine.

[505] People almost get mad at you.

[506] Well, at least now with the new film we're in production for you, like, because you back up all your footage, so we bought one through the production.

[507] so I get that one when it's done, I'll tell you.

[508] What operating system are you using feral house cat?

[509] Feral house cat?

[510] The really old ones?

[511] Lion, leopard.

[512] Snow leopard.

[513] It still has one of those DVD drives and so where you can actually put a deep.

[514] I have one of those in my other laptop.

[515] This one doesn't have it.

[516] I have a USB one, which I've never used.

[517] I bought it.

[518] I'm like, I'm definitely going to need this.

[519] I've never used it once.

[520] DVDs are done, man. It's just like those goddamn floppy disks.

[521] When they got rid of the floppy disks, Everybody's like, Steve Jobs, the fuck is wrong with you.

[522] Are you crazy?

[523] No floppy disk.

[524] And then he was right.

[525] Interesting, in the movie industry, though, is they haven't been able to recover what DVDs used to make.

[526] Like, digital downloads not there.

[527] It hasn't been...

[528] It's called piracy, son.

[529] Look it up.

[530] If anyone knows that, I know, like, the union had been seen millions of times, and we still hadn't got into the green with that one.

[531] Wow.

[532] Yeah.

[533] Millions of times.

[534] That's crazy.

[535] If we just got 10 cents a download, we would be doing really good.

[536] You'd be rich as fuck.

[537] Rich as fuck.

[538] It's like 5, 5 million.

[539] If you look at all the different places where it's been illegally download, we stop calculate, where you just add up on YouTube and it's like 5, 6 million.

[540] That's a real issue when it comes to making a documentary, isn't it?

[541] Getting the funding.

[542] Really tough.

[543] Because docs are, in Canada, at least we're fortunate because we have like the tax credit system and there's a lot of grant program so that Canadian artists can still survive.

[544] The problem with that is you have a Canadian.

[545] Canadian content laws.

[546] So you got some dog shit that sneaks through.

[547] Sneaks through.

[548] I wouldn't say a sneaks through.

[549] I'd say majority of it is.

[550] But Docs, the good thing is, is all it has to be to qualify as CanCon is as long as the crew is Canadian producing it, right?

[551] Oh, okay.

[552] So, like, the culture high is a Canadian content film, but that doesn't feel very Canadian, right?

[553] It's much more about U .S. politics, and it's all featuring U .S. and international interviews, right?

[554] Docs is the one that really works well for it.

[555] You guys have that Mark Emery guy up there too, which is a, that's a strange case.

[556] This guy, because it's polarizing on both sides in both ways.

[557] Like, that guy was selling seeds, which were totally legal in your country.

[558] And the local law enforcement was not willing to prosecute him.

[559] Yeah.

[560] So the DEA came in to extradite him.

[561] And we talked about that in the union where it was just like, look, it's the same as it.

[562] If we bought a machine gun from the United States, not legal in Canada, but we don't extradite the guy that bought it to the United States or like, you know, we don't go to the United States and say, hey, your guy sold a gun to Canada.

[563] He has to come up and serve time in Canada.

[564] Right.

[565] We arrest the guy that bought it.

[566] So with the seeds, the same thing with Mark, right?

[567] And he was giving, he was paying taxes to the government.

[568] They had no issue on the seeds that he got arrested for.

[569] Yeah.

[570] And then he was giving to, you know, drug rehabilitation clinics and a whole bunch of things.

[571] It's almost like in that case the government's kind of in on it because they're taking money.

[572] Like you guys took the tax money and then you still sent him to the United States to be prosecuted?

[573] And they had to sign the official release to allow him, right?

[574] Why would they do that?

[575] That's where it was funny because a lot of people, I mean, you know, Mark Emery's really aggressive and he wanted to be a martyr and he, you know.

[576] That's the polarizing aspect.

[577] And it gets tough because a lot of people, you know, didn't like the way he did things.

[578] But, you know, some people that were not in the argument were too much were just against giving up.

[579] a Canadian citizen to go serve time over there.

[580] They should be.

[581] That was the one that everyone was kind of on his side, being like, that shouldn't be done.

[582] You know, we should not send him over there for laws that, you know, he didn't order the seed, somebody else ordered it to the United States.

[583] He shouldn't be sent down there to go serve his time.

[584] He just got out of prison like a year ago.

[585] Yeah.

[586] And he's, you know, he's back to his old ways and smoking pot and making videos and all the stuff.

[587] I mean, they didn't put a dent in it.

[588] They actually did make him a martyr, you know.

[589] It was in the transcripts.

[590] We showed in the union that they said this is a dent to the legalization movement and everything.

[591] It was much more of a political arrest for the DEA than it was anything else.

[592] And actually the prosecutor that helped send him to the, has actually come out recently and said we should change marijuana laws and not put people.

[593] He still thinks that sending Mark Emery Way was the right thing to do as the prosecutor, but he thinks that the law should now be changed because they're draconian and they really are.

[594] I mean, there's no argument about it.

[595] There's no one can make, except Nancy Grace.

[596] Did you see her argument with two chains?

[597] Yes, I see all her stuff.

[598] I post them and tweet them.

[599] They always get a good reaction with her.

[600] She's adorable.

[601] She's almost like a plant.

[602] She's almost like a plant by the marijuana industry to try to like the marijuana community to try to like make the ultimate dumb villain that epitomizes the anti -legalization movement.

[603] Marijuana makes you fat and lazy.

[604] No, but then you'll say the exact opposite of that, right?

[605] It makes you psychotic, rapists.

[606] Exactly.

[607] Well, I have to believe with her that she doesn't even believe all of her.

[608] I have to think it's like when you had Dr. Carl Hart on the show and he talked about going on Bill O 'Reilly.

[609] Bill O 'Reilly.

[610] Right?

[611] And he was saying how he was great right before we started rolling camera.

[612] Then when we rolled camera, he was totally different, right?

[613] And he was trying to get at me and he was living the character.

[614] I'd have to think that Nancy Grace is the same.

[615] No, I think you're probably right.

[616] I think there's a lot of those folks that are in that public eye that are involved in the business of getting eyes on them, and they know the controversy is what sells.

[617] That's how you got to do it.

[618] You know, Nancy Grace, the effects of Nancy Grace.

[619] I want to hear this.

[620] Nancy Grace debates Nancy Grace on the effects.

[621] Look at her.

[622] Nancy Grace.

[623] The judge allows in evidence that Trayvon Martin did have marijuana into the United States.

[624] his system at the time he died.

[625] What difference if any does that make?

[626] Because I've seen too many felonies.

[627] She's debating herself.

[628] And I don't mean pot sales or growing pot like this guy up in Connecticut.

[629] To me, it means that he is less likely to pick a fight with someone.

[630] I mean, people on pot shoot each other.

[631] Isn't it true that when you smoke pot, you just want to lay on the sofa and eat?

[632] People on pot kill families, wipe out a whole family.

[633] The common connotation hot goes with lethargy, with the munchies, with wanting to eat, with being laid back, not with chasing somebody down, jumping out from behind bushes, beating him in the head till they're pulpy, and basically starting mortal combat.

[634] That's not what you typically equate with smoking a doobie.

[635] That's hilarious.

[636] Or I've got to be smoking, or I've got to be high on pot.

[637] So can you clearly say Nancy won the debate there, debating herself?

[638] I feel like Nancy had all the good points.

[639] Yeah, well, she's a business person.

[640] You know, her business is Nancy Grace.

[641] The business of Bill O 'Reilly is Bill O 'Reilly's got to get in your face and call you a moron and shut you up.

[642] Because Bill O 'Reilly is playing to that 70 -year -old man with a hearing aid.

[643] That's his audience.

[644] That scared man that's afraid that Mexicans are going to move into his neighborhood.

[645] His hands are shaking when he gets, where's my remote?

[646] Where's the remote?

[647] Where's the remote?

[648] And the wife is just a prisoner of this guy's fucking tear.

[649] Yeah, and no one's allowed to touch the remote for this TV.

[650] That's the Bill O 'Reilly fan.

[651] He just admires Bill O 'Reilly.

[652] Well, that was part that Brett really wanted to tackle in directing the culture.

[653] I was that part of the media, right, and how it's become such a business.

[654] And Jank brings that down really great in the film of, like, breaking down the history of media and how the airwaves were originally given to get news.

[655] We'll give you the airwaves.

[656] You give us news.

[657] But then any time they tackle the subject, they kind of conflicted with the political views of Washington.

[658] And they're like, okay, wait a minute.

[659] We don't want you talking about that news, right?

[660] We don't want you talking about that.

[661] And then they realized they can make money off it and started getting sponsors.

[662] And then it was like, okay, well, we can't touch subjects like this.

[663] And when you had Jank on your show, we touch on that whole MSNBC thing that he had, right?

[664] Where he goes in and he started pushing buttons of both sides and saying, oh, they're both corrupt.

[665] And it's systematically corrupt, right?

[666] Because you're funded by people to argue points based on campaign money that you got.

[667] There's a great point that Brett fought hard to have in the film that the audience seemed to really take to when it released.

[668] Well, it illuminates the issue.

[669] The issue is it's not as clear as like some people think this is bad for you and some people think this is good for you.

[670] And here's the debatable evidence.

[671] There's no debatable evidence.

[672] You look at the evidence.

[673] You go, okay, well, there's no one has ever died from it.

[674] Ever.

[675] No one has ever got cancer from it ever.

[676] No one, I mean, all this idea, like, I love when they start going, like, what's his name, Gabor Mate?

[677] How do you say his name?

[678] Gabramete.

[679] Gabor Mate.

[680] Yeah.

[681] I've only seen it written.

[682] I haven't heard it said.

[683] Trust me, we were the same thing until we met him.

[684] Yeah.

[685] One of the things that he talked about was the instances of psychosis, and which is fascinating because, you know, they're both, it's caused psychotic episodes in some people.

[686] No, it actually does.

[687] Doesn't.

[688] The uniform number of psychotic episodes in people is pretty much it's in line with the population and if you have a hundred people one of those people is going to have issues and when if you have a hundred people that smoke pot and one of those people has issues you can't correlate that with pot.

[689] You just can't because the number is the same.

[690] We break down the schizophrenia clip.

[691] We have like a two minute clip.

[692] I don't know, but like we have it to Jamie.

[693] It's on YouTube.

[694] If you just go the culturedized schizophrenia and it's got all of them.

[695] Let's play it because you guys did a great job with that documentary, and I want more people to see it.

[696] It's just the more of these things get out there, the more people see this, the more people see the union.

[697] And there's so many of them now.

[698] There's so many of these documentaries now.

[699] It's just, let's play this.

[700] Let's play this.

[701] Schizophrenia.

[702] Schizophrenia.

[703] Just one spliff, and you will go mental.

[704] The more you mess with cannabis, the more you mess with cannabis, the more it can.

[705] can mess with your mind.

[706] They're even worse than the UK.

[707] The first seven years as a research were devoted to schizophrenia, I can tell you, that is ridiculous.

[708] We looked at the evidence.

[709] I think we must have gone through about 2 ,000 papers, and it doesn't cause schizophrenia.

[710] Maybe there are some individuals with schizophrenia in which the illness is brought on perhaps a little earlier because they smoke cannabis.

[711] There often is what's called a precipitating event.

[712] A precipitating event is something like.

[713] an important loss of a person, a severe car accident.

[714] It certainly can be exacerbated by a number of drugs.

[715] You know, a bad alcohol trip.

[716] That could serve as a precipitating event, too.

[717] The fact is, schizophrenia has a prevalence of about 1 % the world around.

[718] Cannabis use, let's start with the 60s, it's gone up like that.

[719] So, you've introduced this new thing.

[720] If it's schizophrenogenic, we should see a significant uptick in schizophrenia.

[721] We should see more people with schizophrenia.

[722] Schizophrenia has stayed just like that.

[723] In all of the epidemiologic studies that I'm aware of, there is no uptick.

[724] So if marijuana causes schizophrenia, it was introduced, now we should have more schizophrenia.

[725] We don't see that.

[726] We would shortly see some little rise in that, given the numbers of people who have used it.

[727] you really don't need to strip this back and address this from a neutral platform to understand that anything to do with mental health is such a tenuous issue build up on different contributing factors and by applying it all to cannabis you are possibly doing more harm because you are negating all these other factors that certainly play apart and that's that guy's summed it up perfectly perfectly negating all those other factors there's life is a you know, it's a series of factors.

[728] And that is doing much more harm because you're not looking at all the other things.

[729] You're trying to find it just, it's because of this.

[730] It's because of that, right?

[731] Instead of, you know, looking at the broader picture like, oh, maybe there was mental abuse.

[732] Maybe there's neglect as a child.

[733] And then Gabber really does a great thing where he talks about addiction and how early childhood development and how the brain grows so rapidly that it develops, you know, certain things that those end up becoming the crutch for you later on because you had neglect when you.

[734] you were younger or when you had this, right?

[735] It stems so much from early childhood.

[736] In fact, he did a study because he was a Holocaust survivor, right?

[737] His family, they escaped.

[738] And when he was perfectly healthy baby, then all of a sudden he became really colicky.

[739] So his mother called their physician was like, oh my God, I don't know, he's not sleep.

[740] He's screaming all night.

[741] And the doctor said, well, Mrs. Mate, if you don't mind me asking, you're Jewish, correct?

[742] And she said, yeah, what does that have to do with anything?

[743] He said, we have an epidemic of Jewish babies that are colicky now ever since the war has been announced.

[744] Well, explain what colloquy is for people who don't have kids.

[745] Collickey is, like, kids that just nonstop cry.

[746] They're always...

[747] Why is it called colicky?

[748] I don't know.

[749] We'd have to look that up.

[750] Jam, not that.

[751] But they, like, I've never experienced it with my children, fortunately.

[752] But I've had parents that literally said they see how they could go to post -martim depression.

[753] Like, they just, the kids do not sleep.

[754] They're always uncomfortable, screaming like crazy all night, like eight, 12 hours a day, to where you think they're going to scream themselves to where their heart might stop, right?

[755] It's panicky, you get.

[756] So the physician had announced that and Gabber looked at the study and be like, well, what would infants or children know about the war in Hitler?

[757] Why would that make them colicky?

[758] Well, what are children, what's the only thing they're growing on and absorbing at that young age?

[759] They're parents who are now stressed.

[760] They're in fear.

[761] They're scared of what's going to happen in the war.

[762] They're scared about going in prison camps.

[763] And that fear and tension and arguments and everything else is already affecting the young child to the point where they start to become.

[764] like they can feel that right like and he goes on that the i don't want to just keep running clips but there's another great clip if you want to go look the business insider picked it up the addiction side the gabber breaks down so con like he does it like to put in one sentence he says it this way he says you know although the addiction itself is a problem and we should be concerned about it it's not the problem it's the addict's attempt to solve a problem in the first place yeah that is a really good bit uh that really good clip rather and the talk about genes and that how it affects the way genes express themselves.

[765] Like, that's really crazy.

[766] Like, I didn't even know that.

[767] We didn't know that.

[768] Like, I remember.

[769] Trauma actually can make you addicted to things.

[770] And the childhood, there's a study that he references that showed that children that it had, you know, loss in the family, divorce, abuse, like were 600 times greater.

[771] Yeah, let's play it.

[772] Let's play it.

[773] Go to business.

[774] If you go business inside or the culture high, it has the.

[775] the addiction clip yeah i just think that all of this information like this what we just played about schizophrenia this about addiction and genetics and the the evidence now it's just so overwhelming that when you have a nancy grace or you have you know like the old ronald regan clip it becomes almost comedy it's like it's so preposterous but the thing is like and you had a doctor carl hart talked about when he was on your podcast so they don't want to come on like it sucks going on their show because that's their realm where they can get you on points and they can get, because sometimes you can get a certain doctor, like Gabor Mate, if you can let him talk and really explain it, he'll sewer you.

[776] But if you were to debate and get points that win and overshout, he might not come off.

[777] Well, those shows are a joke, man. Any of those shows where they have, like Anderson Cooper is standing there and he's talking to five different people that are in five different locations and they're all yelling in, you know, have earpieces in.

[778] This is arguably the worst way to communicate ever.

[779] Like, get any one of those fucks on a podcast and sit down with them for three hours, and then you'd find out what they're really like.

[780] Like Nancy Grace, you imagine Nancy Grace on a podcast talking about marijuana for three hours?

[781] Do you know, if she couldn't leave, if she couldn't leave, she couldn't go, this conversation is nonsense, Mr. Rogan.

[782] You're wasting my time.

[783] Can we set up a pay -per -view event to that and make that happen?

[784] She would just run away.

[785] They would not come.

[786] There's no way she would, because if she did, I mean, you wouldn't have to yell at her, you wouldn't have to get angry, you would just.

[787] just break it down over and over again.

[788] Do you know how ridiculous is it?

[789] Like, show her the fact.

[790] Show her her own debate against herself.

[791] You know, all these people that are doing this, fat fuck Christy, get that dummy, you know?

[792] I'm a fat shamer.

[793] I'll tell you right now.

[794] I'll fat shamed the fuck out of that fat fuck.

[795] I don't believe in fat shaming.

[796] I think it's nonsense.

[797] It's goddamn nonsense.

[798] I'm not into it.

[799] And that guy is a dangerous person.

[800] Those words that come out of his mouth in a position of power will affect.

[801] people.

[802] There's young children that hear what he says, they listen to the news, and they will start to believe that stupid shit.

[803] Well, no, and people that are way more scared to admit maybe they made a mistake and correct it and will continue a lie and push that ideology on people for that.

[804] That is, I mean, you had Stephen Pressfield on here, but the War of Art, right, talked about that, like how resistance can push you, like, rather than overcoming that resistance and admitting that there was a mistake, like, hey, I was wrong, right?

[805] I made a mistake, which is nice to see Dr. Sanjay Gupta come out and at least, like, you know, say, like, I was fundamentally wrong about the research I presented.

[806] Yeah, he's got a lot of courage for doing that.

[807] But, yeah, the denial of the truth is bad, not just for the people that you're delivering the truth to, but also to yourself, because you know in your heart of hearts that you're a bullshitter.

[808] If you are somehow or another pushing some nonsense, false narrative just because it reinforces what you've already said, and you find that over and over again with humans.

[809] They just don't want to ever admit that they were incorrect, or they got bamboozled.

[810] It's scary.

[811] I mean, did you see the Going Clear documentary?

[812] Yes, yes, I did.

[813] Just watched it the other day.

[814] God damn fascinating.

[815] But it sort of touches on that a bit, because you see these people that didn't want to admit that this religion, quote -unquote, that they'd gotten into.

[816] It was a bullshit.

[817] Someone created a really retarded science fiction author, created a gigantic religion.

[818] It's hilarious.

[819] You have to actually give him props that he was able to just say religions are the most profitable thing because you don't have to pay tax, and I'm the science fiction writer.

[820] And once you get whatever, what's the level, like, OV, 3, then you actually get the notes from him of what the religion is.

[821] And I love where they have Paul Haggis on at that point.

[822] And he's like, what the fuck is this?

[823] He's like, I was into the all helping people.

[824] and trying to make the world a better place and do all that.

[825] He's like, but once I read this, he was like, I'm not into this whole thing, the Zion ruler or whatever.

[826] Zinu.

[827] Zinu, that's the...

[828] Well, you also kind of realized that El Ron Hubbard himself was very likely, like, very likely, like having mental health issues, and he was trying to self -diagnose.

[829] Yeah.

[830] And that's why, one of the things I actually like about Scientology, and, you know, I don't want to bash science.

[831] I don't know enough about it to bash it other than the really, Gary retarded shit yeah but there's the I've known some people that have been in it and they've been like really goal oriented people and they really like have been focused and they like try to get their shit together and one of the guys that left he said that he left Scientology as a religion but he still believed in it as a as a practice as a practice for like mental like awareness or for managing the mind you know because I think the lot of their principles A lot of the ideas came from psychology, and they came from, I mean, he had some, like, almost, like, self -remedy sort of ideas of how to, like, manage his craziness and manage his mind, and I don't think it's all bad.

[832] No, but isn't that, isn't that ultimately would, like, for, to me, I thought, like, all ideology, like, some of the ideas of, like, treating others as you'd want to be treated yourself, like, isn't that what they all stem from, but then, like, Scientology in the film, at least, and other ones, then you get people in positions of power in those places, right?

[833] And then it starts being, no, no, no, it's the way I depict these readings, right?

[834] And if you disobey, then you burn in hell or whatever you're, that's always like, I read a lot of them.

[835] Like, I grew up around East Indians and Sikh, and a lot of their stuff I liked where, like, the original Sikh temples had all four entrances saying all people are welcome, right?

[836] And that all rivers essentially flow to the ocean, meaning there's no one right way to find enlightenment or be a better person.

[837] Yeah.

[838] But then, you know, I'm a big fan of the Sikh religion.

[839] Yeah.

[840] I've met a lot of those guys.

[841] They're very cool.

[842] I wish they would cut their hair.

[843] Cut the shit.

[844] So much of what they're doing is like, I like the way they behave.

[845] I like the, they're not, they don't proselytize.

[846] They're not rude about it, you know?

[847] And when they dress up for their weddings, their shit looks way better than it talks.

[848] Yeah, I think they have some crazy marijuana drink, too, that someone told, I think it's called, I think it's called Bang, B -H -A -N -J or something like that.

[849] But it's like marijuana mixed with yogurt.

[850] There's like a certain sex of, yeah.

[851] See if you could find that, Jamie.

[852] There's certain sex of the Sikhs who they drink this marijuana yogurt combinations like hash and yogurt.

[853] I just think it's sweet that when they go to the wedding, they have the fucking sword and their paw on their thing.

[854] I was like, man, we get a tux and a tie.

[855] They dress up like emperors with weapons.

[856] I was like way cool.

[857] Yeah, I'd much rather dress like that.

[858] Yeah, no, they mean, like here it is, B -H -A -N -G.

[859] A beverage prepared from the leaves and flowers of the female cannabis plant has a long history of years.

[860] use in the Indian subcontinent with the buds of the plant maturing the spring, the preparation of B -A -A -B -H -A -N -G, I think it's called Bang, has traditionally been associated with the harvest festivals of Ola -Mohala or Holly in March and Vaisa, how you say that, Vaisaki, Vaisaki in April.

[861] Although drugs and alcohol are permitted in Sikhism, not N -I -H -A -N -H -A -N -E -N -H -A -N.

[862] G .S. Nihang's, I don't know, are traditionally very fond of bong, which they call suckney Don, meaning giver of peace.

[863] That's right.

[864] Or Sukha Prasad, or a peace giver.

[865] Yeah, I agree with all those things.

[866] Yeah.

[867] Yeah.

[868] Seek's got it right.

[869] Yeah.

[870] Take the bong.

[871] Be happy.

[872] Be happy.

[873] Be happy.

[874] Let's play that thing about jeans, man. The business inside of it.

[875] Yeah.

[876] Because this is pretty powerful stuff.

[877] addiction the most frequently cited perceived harm associated with marijuana sexy voice is addiction not bad not bad you do know it's addictive highly addictive right because i believe it is addictive and it leads to more serious drugs but in order to understand addiction in relation to marijuana one must first have an understanding of the psychology behind addiction in the first place it's interesting to see or to ask who becomes addicted people can have sex without being addicted to it they can go shopping but some people become severely addicted to all these pursuits.

[878] Is a pack of cars addictive?

[879] Well, no. Or yes, depending on an individual.

[880] So it's the same process, no matter what the addiction is.

[881] The only difference is really is that the substance addict is getting the dopamine from an outside substance, whereas the behavior addict is having it triggered from the particular behavior.

[882] If I speak to a group of 100 people or 1 ,000 people, and I ask, well, how many of you have addiction issues?

[883] And do any substance?

[884] A number of you will put the hand up.

[885] And I say, what did it do for you?

[886] Not what was bad about it, you already know that, but what did it do for you?

[887] What was positive in your experience of it?

[888] Well, it gave me a sense of peace.

[889] It gave me a pain relief.

[890] It made it feel more connected.

[891] It made me more confident.

[892] I could speak now and interact with other people.

[893] In other words, the addict is just after wanting to be a normal human being.

[894] And the real question is, what keeps them from having those qualities in their lives and what happened to them?

[895] And so that the addiction should be seen, not as the problem, although it is a problem, but it's not the problem, it's the addict's attempt to solve a problem in the first place.

[896] The adverse childhood experiences studies done in California looked at conditions such as physical, sexual, emotional, emotional abuse in the child's life, the loss of a parent through death, or a rancor's divorce, or a parent being jailed, or a mental illness in the parent, or a parent or violence in the family.

[897] And for each of these adverse childhood experiences, the risk of addiction goes up exponentially.

[898] By the time a male child has had six of these adverse experiences, his risk of having become a substance -dependent injection using addict is 4 ,600 % greater than that of a male child's experiences.

[899] Why is that?

[900] It's because that trauma shapes the brain in such ways as to make the addictive substances more appealing to the individual.

[901] That trauma also gives that person the pain that they will try to then escape from or to soothe to the addictive behaviors.

[902] it's the social and emotional environment that shapes the actual biology of the brain so if you understand somebody's addiction you have to look at what created pain in their lives the person occasionally has a beer occasionally smokes marijuana but genuinely they have no negative consequences does not impair their health does not endanger their lives it does not impair their personal relationships you can't call those people addicts and you can't call those behaviors addictive addicts the real distinction between the use of substances and the addiction to substances, which then brings us to the war on drugs.

[903] Basically, the war in drugs is being waged against people that were abused and traumatized in children and have mental health problems.

[904] There's enough punishment in there in the negative consequences of the addiction, but we don't have to add punishment onto that.

[905] How great, like...

[906] The number of deaths around the world from cigarette consumption is five and a half million, according to the latest testaments.

[907] Annually, cigarettes kill as many people is we killed in the German's anti -Jewish genocidal campaign.

[908] So we have a Holocaust annually, only two cigarettes.

[909] If you smoke more than two packs a day, the risk for developing lung cancer was 20 -fold.

[910] That's 2 ,000 percent, based on the largest case control study ever done.

[911] There was no evidence that marijuana increased the risk of lung cancer.

[912] Boom.

[913] You've got to have some consistency.

[914] Oh, who's this guy?

[915] A million different drugs that are sanctioned by the society that don't have that happy ending that you take too much and you're fucked.

[916] I've got a friend whose auntie had to go to rehab for buying two boxes of Krispy creams every day and eating them in the woods.

[917] Don't say Tim Hortons?

[918] Notice how you didn't say Tim Hortons?

[919] He's from the UK.

[920] Kris is illegal.

[921] I will fight any man, by the way, who suggests that.

[922] I'm with you, buddy.

[923] I got your back.

[924] And dying.

[925] Yeah, you didn't use salt right, dude.

[926] You fucked up with salt.

[927] If you just threw some salt on popcorn, It's actually quite yummy, you know?

[928] But what'd you do, you stupid fuck?

[929] You ate a pound of salt and you died.

[930] It doesn't mean we should outlaw salt.

[931] Our society doesn't object to people jumping out of air.

[932] We heard of Graham Hancock through your podcast.

[933] That's how we ended up getting interviewed.

[934] He's awesome.

[935] So good.

[936] I love that guy.

[937] Occasionally people fall off mountains and do harm to themselves.

[938] We're cool.

[939] We're just rehashing all this stuff.

[940] Graham Hancock is actually involved in some fascinating debate right now with this guy, Zawi Hawass, who's the head of, I think the head of Egyptian.

[941] antiquities.

[942] He's sort of the guy, the disseminator of information in Egypt when it comes to how people have access to the pyramids and all the different structures.

[943] And he's been going at it with this guy because the guy is unable or unwilling to reconsider a lot of his statements about the age of a lot of the ancient Egypt monoliths and all these different structures, you know, they've got some...

[944] The Quebec Le Tepe is putting a big fucking hook into that, right?

[945] He pretended he didn't know what Gobeckley Tepe was, and it's really funny, the debate, but the similar thing, like a guy who's been saying something for so long that there were no cultures more than 5 ,000 years ago that were capable of sophisticated construction methods and he's just said this for so long that now the evidence has come out, Quebecle Tepe is 12 ,000 years old.

[946] There's no doubt about it.

[947] It is 100%.

[948] Graham was saying there's two other ones that the initial tests are coming out.

[949] There's like a one in an Australian, another one in Indonesia that was found.

[950] And he said it's more and more like his original theory that he was poo -poohed on is now seeming to be more and more correct.

[951] Oh, yeah.

[952] Between him and Randall Carlson, I mean, they've really uncovered a lot of issues that there was trying to date the history of civilization and also the history of cataclysmic disasters.

[953] It's very problematic because there's very little evidence and it's really difficult.

[954] But over the past decade, more and more.

[955] evidence from geologists like all this nuclear glass that they're finding they do core samples they dig down 12 ,000 for 12 ,000 years they get like a 12 ,000 year and at 12 ,000 when they get to 12 ,000 years universally like across Europe and Asia they find this it's called I think it's called tritonite it's a nuclear glass and this nuclear glass it exists in nuclear explosion test sites and also in meteor impacts and so this stuff being spread out all over the place they think that there was a pounding that this earth took a fucking pounding by meteors somewhere around 12 ,000 years ago and it could possibly have been the reason why the Ice Age ended and also could be the reason why a massive amount of animals went extinct almost instantaneously.

[956] Willie mammoths, saber -tooth tigers, like 60 % of all land mammals.

[957] And it could be the reason why there's these ancient structures that date before Gobeckley -Tepi or before, you know, 12 ,000 years ago, someone covered Gobeckley -Tepi.

[958] That's how they know.

[959] The reason they have a uniform age of the dirt that is covering Gobeckley -Tepi.

[960] So they explained it.

[961] This is all not fringe stuff either, by the way.

[962] This is all, like, legit archaeologists.

[963] They're absolutely certain that someone covered that 12 ,000 years ago.

[964] Well, how old was it when they covered it?

[965] No one knows.

[966] So you got something at least.

[967] Like, uh, can't test stone.

[968] Yeah, it's bio carbon, like living things, right?

[969] That's how they tested the age of the pyramids.

[970] They tested the material that's between the stones and, you know, the biological material, whether it's wood or things along those lines, you could test that stuff and get pretty accurate readings.

[971] See, this is what's so awesome about your podcast.

[972] When we try to put a little bit of technology in the culture, how it's radically changing things.

[973] Like, I mean, anyone I put onto your podcast gets hooked.

[974] And in fact, I've joked, because I've been to things where you bring on such interesting people that got me to research things that I would have never looked into before.

[975] Like, Gobeck -Latepe, the way that I even knew how to pronounce it was because we'd heard Graham Hancock on here.

[976] When he did his war on consciousness bit, Brett and I were like, we need to get that guy for the fucking film.

[977] Like, he has to be interviewed.

[978] And then, you know, when I met with Graham -Hang, but the information and getting people to look at new ideas and great perspectives and the platform of having people come on here for a good two, three hours.

[979] to really communicate things like that trickle effect I've witnessed it I've seen people that have like been inspired by your show that have lost it but they're like man you're the guy that did the union the culture high like Joe's show I I use on it I've lost 60 pounds like I love your stuff I've changed my perspective like I've witnessed how it's already having a trickle effect of putting out just getting new information on there getting people to think outside the box and we talked earlier about the ego kind of preventing you from sometimes progressing yeah well you have a lot of great people you stress it on here all the time but other people you have great interviews that do it too like i found for me even at times there's times when i'm like hey you know what i should like self -reflect i should get back into like boxing martial arts and you know maybe my ego is getting swelling like it's it's good to get into that and i left going back to i i box competitively when i was younger and i love going back in there now and getting beat up by these young guys because it's really humbling right bad for your brain though yeah i don't super bad for your brain well you know i i don't do what punches to the head aren't good Yeah, try yoga.

[980] I've been doing a lot of yoga lately.

[981] Do that.

[982] Well, I'd also...

[983] Good for the ego, too.

[984] My daughter wants to now get into jujitsu, so we're going to be...

[985] Jiu -Jitsu's great.

[986] Yeah.

[987] I love Jiu -Jitsu.

[988] What I love about Jiu -Jitsu is it doesn't have the striking.

[989] I mean, I grew up a striker.

[990] Yeah.

[991] And my whole, I mean, the reason why I became who I am, I think, is because of the trials and tribulations of martial arts and going through competition and all the fear and the fear and all that stuff.

[992] I mean, and also like the self.

[993] reflection, the fact that it makes you very objective about your abilities, you have to assess yourself in a very, very clear way.

[994] Otherwise, you're going to leave vulnerabilities and you're going to get hurt.

[995] I couldn't picture who I'd be without my boxing coach and putting, like, it was very good for me in my teenage years to, you know, build confidence, humility, because the first time you get in any sparring session, you get lit up.

[996] You get lit up.

[997] But that's health, like, other than the actual physical brain, it's good to realize that you're not the man at But you can't be.

[998] It takes a long time to be the man. I mean, how do you think Floyd May where they got to be 48 no and untouchable?

[999] Fucking countless hours in the gym.

[1000] I mean, you could call that guy a wife beater and a piece of shit and a dummy and he can't read and you're probably right about all those things.

[1001] But what you can't deny is the hard work that he put into that craft paid off.

[1002] And anyone that thinks are just going to figure that out right away.

[1003] You're just not.

[1004] From the little bit of boxing I did, there's, you're not figuring it out.

[1005] right away.

[1006] There's some physical gifts that some people bring to the table unquestionably, but it's one of those things that you just have to work really hard at.

[1007] And my belief is that when you work really hard at something and you get better at something, that thing becomes a vehicle for developing your human potential.

[1008] And then you can transfer that same sort of energy and focus and the lessons that you learn from that into all different walks of life.

[1009] The more extreme the situation is, the more difficult the task is, the more you learned about yourself in pursuing that task and the more beneficial it is to you outside of that task i i couldn't agree more because you know a lot of complications when i first did the union and getting into the industry and getting like you know i wanted to be able to storytell and make films and documentaries as my living but it was the union i mean that was your first one first one well you really knocked it out of the fucking park thank you what we did for your first project to be that good thank you well it was but to to to make the finances and deal with you as you know you're very very familiar with the film industry and not really well the entertainment industry i'll say um you know took a while but you know i even put it on my business cards i put creative hustler because i think some of the things of overcoming adversity and objections and the work you have to put in that i learned from boxing and applied really well to being like constantly rejected being told your idea stupid like so many people said the union would never work like you're dumb that's pot movie who wants to see this and then when it blew i actually have i you know our distributor took it as a favor to somebody else saying it will never have any commercial success what year did you do that 2007 that's crazy that was almost 10 years ago that's so weird eight years ago today yeah weird and it's it's it's kind of amazing that that was your first film it's i look back now and i don't think i you know we couldn't have done any better it was you know like you said a grand slam for our first film and then since then i've been very fortunate to work on lots of other great docs like we worked on i'm bruce lee then and then i did the good son with ray ray boom boom mancini i don't think you've heard amazing things about oh man that you want to talk about a guy that overcome adversity like you're a boxing fan so you know ray's story a little bit right as a kid his dad was a number one contender right but then was drafted to the war and wasn't able to fight took shrapnel came back into the ring was never the same fighter got beat up damaged his eye so at 10 years old 10 ray makes a promise to his dad dad i will win the world title that you so deserve to fight for.

[1010] And his dad's like, Raymond, don't go through it so hard.

[1011] 21, Ray wins the world title and gives it to his dad and says it's finally where it should be after 42 years.

[1012] And then Ray's whole reason for getting into boxing was for righteous reasons to win a world title for his father.

[1013] And then in his third title defense, he takes the life of a father in Duku Kim when he kills Kim in the 14th round.

[1014] And Kim had only found out two or three months before he was leaving to fight Ray that his wife was pregnant.

[1015] He never even got to meet his son.

[1016] So when the good son, Ray meets the son of the man that he killed 30 years later.

[1017] Jesus Christ.

[1018] Yeah.

[1019] Oh, my God.

[1020] Being a part of that, and Ray is, and then three months.

[1021] How does he handle it?

[1022] Ray had come to peace with it a long time ago, right?

[1023] But he really wanted to do this for G -Wan, right?

[1024] Because G -1 wanted to meet him and wanted to put it at rest and let him know that, you know, it was just two warriors that went to war.

[1025] but for the ending of that fight you know the fight itself is a great fight like duku actually wrote in his notes we found all this stuff because we went to korea and interviewed his trainer no i know the whole story yeah and he actually wrote like i will die in the ring tonight before i like that was his he came from nothing in korea like banam north like right next to the north korean border slept in a pen with a hoar like poor poor he fought to eat so fighting ray was his chance at success he was not going to to lose that fight.

[1026] And the first four rounds, I mean, he takes it to Ray, right?

[1027] They go hard.

[1028] It's a crazy fight.

[1029] So, you know, now going on this journey with these docs, like, I, now I'm hooked.

[1030] I don't want to do anything other than docs because you meet Ray.

[1031] Ray is such an amazing individual.

[1032] Like, I mean, his brother was murdered three months before he won his world title.

[1033] That still did not detour him, right?

[1034] He stuck right in there, won his first world title.

[1035] When you, when you watch the dog, like, if you were to script what happened to him with, like, him promising since he was 10 years old, twin and, world title his brother getting murdered three months before he wins then tragically taking the light like you'd be like this is a ridiculous script this is too fantastic like too bullshit but it really happened to him sometimes people's lives do play out like a ridiculous movie and nothing but amazing great things to say about ray you an amazing individual are you a fan of documentaries is like a Werner Herzog fan or anything you yeah i i don't like any particular one person just i do love dach so like i for me when i was hooked and i think I might have said this last time I was on the podcast, but when you're in that audience and your documentary has an emotional connection with the audience and you see them, like when Ray's film, like people are crying.

[1036] Like guys, I know they're full motorcycle guys that I was friends with.

[1037] Like, they're crying in there in front of the way.

[1038] They're like, dude, you made me cry in front of all the boys.

[1039] And, you know, when Jace and David and his son, Jaden are on there with the things and people are crying, like, and you see it has that impact.

[1040] And then you see it being, you know, universities and stuff, people reaching out to me saying, I used your film as a catalyst for my graduating argument and it's tough to just want to go make an action film where everybody's shooting each other later right or it's it's tough when you see something that is not only a great story but has emotional impact right well when done correctly the medium of documentaries can have an amazing impact you can remember things i think it is the best as long as like it's done correctly like the information it's like it's not michael moored yeah you know what i mean yes unfortunately he he can do so good but then he Pushes it too far for me. I'm like leave the facts.

[1041] Yeah.

[1042] Don't make someone look stupid.

[1043] It doesn't really help anything.

[1044] It's not necessarily bad to make certain people look stupid if they are stupid.

[1045] What you can't do is edit little snippets to fill your narrative.

[1046] And, you know, that's what he's guilty of.

[1047] Yeah.

[1048] You know, like he's done, he's done more harm than good.

[1049] And he got lumped into that group of guys that people will automatically like knee jerk called deceptive.

[1050] I think he did some great work.

[1051] I think bowling for Columbine was.

[1052] fascinating and Roger and me I think is great that's his best one yeah and that was his first one and I think that was the purest one and uh and he really built the industry set the bar he was like the michael jordan for it like he he made feature docs mainstream yeah like the bowling for columbine did he even get into mental health issues and prescription drugs and i don't think so mostly about guns mostly about guns it's not a gun issue that's a mental health issue with i wrote this on Twitter, but I'll stand by it.

[1053] This country has a mental health issue disguised as a gun problem, and that's really what it is.

[1054] Well, look at when we just had what Gabber explains, right?

[1055] Like, it's early childhood.

[1056] And then, yeah, if someone gets a dangerous weapon in their hands when they have mental problems, bad things can happen.

[1057] And it's so hard to fix people of that.

[1058] It's so hard.

[1059] Once your mind has gone down this awful path of addiction and childhood trauma and all these horrible life experiences and you have compensated or under compensated or overcompensated and you're affected by that and like the idea of becoming a balanced human being it seems like unattainable it's it's incredibly difficult for these people here's the crazy part you don't know i'd one of my best friends going through went manic bipolar right like he had a big event that caused it and he was wrongly prescribed some antidepressants and one summer he just started acting really sporadically out of character, right?

[1060] But this was before, this was in 2003, the same year that my father passed away.

[1061] So it wasn't, like, you, none of us put our finger on it right away, like, oh, you have a meant, like, people are just like, you're being an asshole.

[1062] Like, why have you changed?

[1063] Why are you so sporad?

[1064] Like, because it wasn't common knowledge.

[1065] Like, you don't, and people that have it happening at the time, they don't wake up in the morning and be like, hmm, I think I'm imbalanced and I have a mental health issue, right?

[1066] You have to go cease.

[1067] And then someone's like, hey, I can, like, once he sat down with someone, it was two seconds.

[1068] they're like you're bipolar right like then they started doing the blood test and they started testing to see what would work and now he's super successful he's balanced it he's taking his lithium and so certain drugs can literally stop that they can nip that in the bud if you get it right if you get it right but you have to be very care like one thing he was very good at is he didn't want to stay on antidepressants right so the lithium balances him but then they originally they wanted to get him so he like his arm looked like a heroin addict for a while he was getting all these different tests and see what what because like caracenta marina broke this down too there's very different like inhibitors and neurohibitors when it comes to antidepressants right he wanted to wean off of that so what a lot of them encourage which comes back to kind of we're saying like diet exercise a lot of these things weigh into mental health right you can't just throw it on the drug right like oh you're an addict like so he's very big on he runs marathons he exercise like and that really helps you know the natural endorphins and stuff that he needs so he doesn't have to be on antidepressants, right?

[1069] He works out crazy.

[1070] He doesn't drink alcohol because that's a depressant and that can cause things.

[1071] So even if it's a business meeting or something, he'll try to be very, maybe, you know, he'll have a social beer or something, but he tries not to drink too much because he says, he's told me that he's like, if he does for a few business, and he's like, I can feel it the next day.

[1072] I can feel I'm a little off.

[1073] I'm a little cloudy, right?

[1074] Like my cognitive function's a little slower, right?

[1075] So he's like, I try just to stay away from, for me, because I know it can be problematic.

[1076] Well, it sounds like he got very lucky that they came up with medication they can treat him.

[1077] I know a dude who was always a little off and then over the last four or five years has become just a complete paranoid.

[1078] I mean, I want to say paranoid schizophrenic.

[1079] I don't know, but I mean, he literally believes that everything is a conspiracy.

[1080] Everything in the world is tied to mind -controlled tests and, you know, it's sad to see.

[1081] It's just one of those things.

[1082] Like, you know, you run into people like that and you just go, man, That could be me. Like, I could be trapped in that hell, too.

[1083] And I'm super proud of my, because, like you said, he's one of the only guys I know that is really, like, he's awesome now.

[1084] He's really made his life successful.

[1085] Like, a lot of, when he was diagnosed, he started sending us, like, stuff to understand bipolar, where it's, like, 85 % of them die.

[1086] It's not a good, like, either, you know, abuse of substances, car accidents, because things become a video game, right?

[1087] Like, he talks about it now, joking about, like, he's like, man, when I was in my crazy days, like, I used to ride my my dad's motorcycle going 80 kilometers an hour having a cigarette like on the highway, right?

[1088] Like he's like, I was crazy.

[1089] Like I didn't smoke before, but all of a sudden now I'm smoking and like he was just like I was out of my mind spending money sporadically.

[1090] And but the crazy part that I was really trying to hone in is you don't wake up and know, right?

[1091] You don't, no one tells you, right?

[1092] Like luckily enough, he had a great strong family and people that were like, let's talk to someone, right?

[1093] because you're not the same, like, within three -month period, you're fighting with everyone, your friends, and your emotions are like, you're crying one minute, and you're mad, and luckily, like, you know, not a lot of them have a high percentage, but he's doing extremely well.

[1094] Well, mental health issues have such a stigma in this country.

[1095] People don't want to admit they have mental health issues.

[1096] They're connected, the perception by a lot of people's connected to weakness.

[1097] You know, depression is a big one.

[1098] He couldn't get a job for the longest time because he'd be honest about it.

[1099] and then people didn't want to hire him.

[1100] And I was like, dude, that should almost be like, like once he's like, listen, I'm balanced, I'm treated.

[1101] Like they were like, no, we can't take that risk.

[1102] Like, he was looked at like a leper.

[1103] Can you blame them?

[1104] Can you blame them?

[1105] I mean, you don't know whether or not they're balanced.

[1106] You don't know whether or not it's going to keep working, like whatever medication they're on.

[1107] I kind of get it on both sides.

[1108] I certainly think that for a person searching for a job that has mental health issues, it's a huge bummer that people can't respect the fact that you've taken all the steps and gotten your treatment And now you're a healthy person.

[1109] But if you're some guy who's running some office somewhere and you want to keep the peace, you want a friendly work environment, everyone to be family and get along together.

[1110] And you got this dude who's on 15 different kind of fucking pills to keep himself from running head on in the walls.

[1111] You know, I can understand it.

[1112] But I think that the mental help, the stigma, especially the stigma on depression, I mean, Kara Santa Maria, who's in the culture high, who's a good friend of mine.

[1113] We heard her on here as well.

[1114] That's where your podcasting inspired a lot of the people.

[1115] That's awesome.

[1116] Well, my podcast has inspired me, too.

[1117] I mean, it's, call it my podcast.

[1118] What it really is is, like, it's a door that I found, you know, and I - Conduit, you're getting good conversation.

[1119] It's really what it is.

[1120] It's some sort of a strange antenna or a path or a channel in the river or whatever it is, and I opened it up, and I'm like, oh, look at this.

[1121] And then all the people are coming through, but it's not, like, people say, oh, you're doing a great service, well, kind of doing a great service to me, too.

[1122] Like that's the number one benefactor is me because I get these conversations with all these fantastic people like Graham Hancock or Neil deGrasse Tyson or you know Brian Cox and these like these brilliant brilliant people and you have these fascinating conversations and I get so much out of that.

[1123] I mean, I'm just constantly curious and constantly filled with all these new ideas and it's amazing for me. It's amazing.

[1124] Same for me. Like I listen religiously.

[1125] Like I don't listen when my.

[1126] My kids are in the car because they can go off on tangents at time, whereas I'll try, and then I'm like, okay, way too many F -bombs.

[1127] I was in my car the other day, and I turned it on, and it was the serious replay, because, you know, we're on serious satellite, and it was my voice, and the kid sat down.

[1128] I'm like, get the fuck at it, you fucking moron.

[1129] Daddy, is that you?

[1130] Is that you, Daddy?

[1131] Like, what?

[1132] Daddy doesn't talk like that?

[1133] How dare you?

[1134] I turn it into some sort of a joke with the kids.

[1135] I can't even go on, like, when I, any time I'm going on a long drive, like, if I don't have podcasts, I'm not going.

[1136] Like, I can't listen to music anymore.

[1137] I need to.

[1138] And now I got hooked on Dan Carlin's hardcore history for a world.

[1139] Oh, the best.

[1140] So good.

[1141] The best.

[1142] This new one, this, uh, the one that he just put out, he's got this, this series out in part six just came out.

[1143] And it's blueprint for Armageddon.

[1144] It's all about World War I. My buddy was just telling me, he's like, Adam.

[1145] He's like, skip the Mongols.

[1146] Go to that one.

[1147] No, no, no, no, don't skip the Mongols.

[1148] The Mongols is still the best.

[1149] This is awesome.

[1150] It is a blueprint for Armageddon is fucking awesome, but the Mongols is epic.

[1151] I'm loving that.

[1152] I can't believe, I mean, you've crushed it to death on here, but, like, how good those guys were riding horses and shooting fucking bows, that they were like...

[1153] I wish I could see it.

[1154] Yeah.

[1155] You know, there's a guy named, I think his name is Lars Anderson.

[1156] I don't know if you've heard of them before.

[1157] I haven't heard of them.

[1158] But it's this famous on the internet over the last year or so for developing these ancient archery techniques that were law.

[1159] And he has like looked in like these ancient texts and photos of how there's one way of holding bows and arrows that we have today and one way that he thinks that they did back then where they held all the arrows in their hands instead of in a quiver.

[1160] Yeah.

[1161] They held them all in their hands and they could literally rapid fire several arrows in a second.

[1162] And he thinks that this might be one of the like lost techniques that these ancient archers use.

[1163] See this guy here?

[1164] Lars Anderson.

[1165] Look, look how, this guy can, like, shoot things that are in the air.

[1166] Like, you've got to see how good this guy is at this.

[1167] How quick.

[1168] Look, he throws a tennis ball, and as the tennis ball bounces in the air, look at this.

[1169] He could shoot it with his fucking...

[1170] Look at that.

[1171] He's shooting it with his leg.

[1172] He's got a bunch of amazing videos where he shows all the different things he could do.

[1173] Look, look at how quick he can shoot this.

[1174] He throws the arrow up in the air.

[1175] I mean, it's incredible.

[1176] That's insane He shoots things in the air Before that was coming down with a bow Two He shot two in like a second And that's the bow in his left hand He can do the bow in his right hand Bow in his left hand He can switch back and forth Either way Right in the eye socket Yeah I mean this guy must be like He's like autistic Because he's just gonna say How many hours of practice is that Dude Yeah he just shot an arrow Look at this He's spinning this wheel And as the wheel spins He's shooting the arrows into the wheel.

[1177] Look at this.

[1178] He's going to bounce off this thing.

[1179] He shot two arrows before he hit the ground.

[1180] Three arrows in a half a second.

[1181] This is incredible.

[1182] Don't try this at home.

[1183] But I think it would be fucking amazing.

[1184] So what he's doing right now is he's going to spin and shoot the arrow in the air.

[1185] And he dodged one there.

[1186] Yeah.

[1187] Well, he shoots the arrow in the air as it's coming towards him.

[1188] The guy shoots an arrow and as it's coming at him.

[1189] Oh, shit.

[1190] But I think to see the Mongols and how they had done it must have been really, it would be really amazing if someone was alive that had the kind of proficiency that they had back then.

[1191] They would wait until the horse was in mid -gallop.

[1192] So all four legs were off the ground before they released the arrow.

[1193] Yeah, so that it didn't shake, like, it was insane when he was explaining it.

[1194] I'm like, that doesn't even seem possible.

[1195] It's possible.

[1196] I believe.

[1197] They would just time it.

[1198] I mean, it seems totally possible.

[1199] If you could see that guy shoot three arrows in 0 .6 seconds.

[1200] Well, I mean, one of my buddies that plays football, he was talking about how they learn how to run on a treadmill to be more like a gallop so that they don't waste energy.

[1201] So, I mean, you could see how you could...

[1202] How's that?

[1203] He was just explaining it to me. I hadn't, didn't get to see it.

[1204] And he's like, yeah, we learn how to...

[1205] So it's like, you can do strides on the field so you don't burn out.

[1206] You're like, you can learn to kind of gallop until you have to really press, right, and get in there so you can keep your momentum up.

[1207] Huh.

[1208] So it's like less, you know, like me, I'm very heavy -footed if I run on trauma.

[1209] I'm like, calm, palm, palm, palm, right?

[1210] Right, but there's a way to be lighter, kind of like, you know, sprinters are much more on their tippy toes for a part of it, right?

[1211] Right.

[1212] Well, they say that you're really supposed to run on the ball your feet.

[1213] Yeah.

[1214] And that, like, this heel running that we've all gotten accustomed to is actually the design of running shoes.

[1215] And the people creating these running shoes with these really thick heel pads, they've actually changed the gate of runners.

[1216] Yeah.

[1217] Jamie, you're a runner, right?

[1218] That's, do you run with those kind of running shoes?

[1219] Yeah, I'd actually use, like, the Nike free run.

[1220] They're actually really thin.

[1221] Not as thin as like a converse, but pretty close to that.

[1222] It's almost like running barefoot, just with a little rubber on your sole.

[1223] So you run and land on the ball your foot and use that to cushion?

[1224] Yeah, yeah.

[1225] It's weird to switch, though, right?

[1226] Your toes work as like a little bit of a spring for you.

[1227] Yeah, your toes work as, yeah, it's like a shock absorber.

[1228] And if you run heel like everybody is used to, that's like super bad for your knees.

[1229] Super bad.

[1230] Like, you can just feel it when you get, you know, I've been recently trying to get back into shape.

[1231] Because every time we go on road trips for filming, we eat like shit, we're late hours working.

[1232] You get out of whack, right?

[1233] It's when I get home.

[1234] And I can feel like the first couple weeks I'm on the treadmill.

[1235] I'm heavy.

[1236] I've kind of lost my rhythm.

[1237] I'm like, clunk, clunk.

[1238] I can feel the extra weight and my joints.

[1239] But then once you get, I kind of get back, I'm like, okay, now I've, it's weird to correct you.

[1240] And I'm not anyone professional correcting me or looking and seeing if I have the right shoe or whatever.

[1241] But even I just noticed like, okay, I'm starting to get my rhythm, start a pace a bit better.

[1242] I'm not so heel, bang as I'm running.

[1243] Well, I run on the balls of my feet when I do it, but it always feels like I'm going to, I'm falling forward or something, you know what I mean?

[1244] Like, it changes the way.

[1245] I'm not really feeling like I'm falling forward, but you know what I mean?

[1246] Yeah.

[1247] I've got it like, am I doing this right way?

[1248] You know, like I feel like I'm doing something wrong.

[1249] Yeah.

[1250] When I run, the real way you're supposed to run.

[1251] Well, because your body's adapted and molded to the way that is.

[1252] So then you just go and change it.

[1253] It's like, well, you know, similar to martial arts when you're, like, I'm a boxer stance, right?

[1254] So I was going to go.

[1255] But that doesn't work for fighting MMA.

[1256] Right.

[1257] Right, my stance will be side.

[1258] It's much easier for a takedown.

[1259] I'd have to adapt, and that'd be really awkward for me at first, right?

[1260] Take downs is a consideration.

[1261] Leg kicks is a huge one.

[1262] Yeah, for boxers to get lit up there.

[1263] You have to be more, more, you have to stand sideways more or parallel more.

[1264] Yeah.

[1265] It's just one of those things where I think, like, if you watch kids run, you kind of get a sense, like, oh, this is just natural for them.

[1266] They run on the balls with their feet totally naturally.

[1267] And then we have, through those weird shoes, we figured out a way to kind of like come up with a new way and that way has been adopted like across the board as people like they think it's the right way well look at you you have young kids and I have a boy that's three and he's always falling forward because he's so tippy toe heavy when he runs right now right yeah and when I go to his daycare I see all the kids are doing like they're so giant heads too imagine if you have a fucking head like a little kid like I have a four -year -old that her head is, like, almost as wide as her shoulders.

[1268] You really think about how big their fucking heads are.

[1269] Imagine if you had a head that went all the way out to the side, you know, like one of those, like you were a furry.

[1270] You're one of those dudes who has a mascot head on.

[1271] Yeah, they fall forward.

[1272] There's too much weight.

[1273] Their weight's all out of whack.

[1274] And my boy bails all the time because he's too fat.

[1275] Yeah, all the time.

[1276] But then gets right up and keeps going.

[1277] Yeah, I think that whoever invents.

[1278] the running shoe with that padded heel, it's really kind of amazing how much of an impact that's had.

[1279] But it works.

[1280] When you're working your regular day job, though, and you're sitting on your heels all day, right?

[1281] That's what you run.

[1282] It's still bad for you.

[1283] Even those shoes, like, those shoes are bad to walk around in.

[1284] The guys who are back experts, spinal correction people, they say that the issue of, like, changing the way you stand, like giving yourself an incline, like, because of the fact do you have heels on, like girls that wear high heels or dudes who wear cowboy boots or shit like that.

[1285] It's super bad for your back.

[1286] It's like giving your back this weird sort of...

[1287] Lawsuit for sketches.

[1288] Oh, this is the...

[1289] They had those...

[1290] That's like those barefoot technology shoes...

[1291] Yeah, yeah.

[1292] That people were wearing for a while.

[1293] I tried wearing those for a while.

[1294] They were so ridiculous.

[1295] You know why I stopped wearing them?

[1296] I couldn't wear them on stage.

[1297] You know those...

[1298] What are they called, B .T. something?

[1299] Barefoot...

[1300] Why, you weren't allowed to wear them on stage?

[1301] No, no, no, no. You rock.

[1302] in them they have like this they don't have the heel they have like a big flat part a big like thick part in the middle sort of yeah and the idea is this barefoot technology is like that you gotta kind of you're constantly correcting because you're kind of stepping on this odd sponge and then it gives you like you're you're burning off more calories and you're using your balance more in these stupid shoes this is the idea behind it but didn't that all get debunked that it doesn't actually well i think sketcher.

[1303] Skechers, put that up again, Jamie, there's some sort of a giant class action lawsuit and the, oh, consumer injury lawsuits, I didn't know about this.

[1304] Is this new?

[1305] Oh, this is new?

[1306] Because there was class action lawsuits and now there's...

[1307] But is that for that shoe or is that for that toe shoe the year time, though?

[1308] No, this is...

[1309] That shape -up shoe with that rocker thing.

[1310] Well, yeah, that thing looks ridiculous.

[1311] Yeah.

[1312] I'd have troubles walking.

[1313] Well, it's totally ridiculous, but it's the same exact style of shoes as barefoot technology shoes, whatever the fuck they're called.

[1314] Um, but those, these things, they're supposed to like, you're supposed to be like constantly correcting, almost like you're on a, uh, a balance bar or something like that.

[1315] Look at this.

[1316] If you are of loved ones suffered a broken hip, broken ankle, stress fracture, or Achilles tendonitis, uh, that could be the result of wearing toning shoes like sketch or shape ups.

[1317] We want to hear from you.

[1318] You may be eligible.

[1319] Oh, the fucking, the hounds are out.

[1320] You may be eligible to receive compensation for your medical bills, lost wages, pain and suffering.

[1321] Or other damages.

[1322] What other damages can there be?

[1323] No, it couldn't get laid, man. Stress.

[1324] Yeah, you're mental.

[1325] Waring stupid fucking shoes.

[1326] It ruined my confidence and prevented me from getting job.

[1327] No girl would look at me. Yeah.

[1328] I started taking mental health medication.

[1329] Yeah, those shoes were quite popular for a while.

[1330] But I couldn't wear them on stage because you can't stand on your heels.

[1331] Like you're kind of rocking a little bit.

[1332] Like, if you try to sit back, like, you can't.

[1333] Like, you can't, like, just because you have this, like, like hump in the center of the shoe.

[1334] Okay.

[1335] It's really really stupid.

[1336] I try to wear things as flat as possible.

[1337] My favorite shoes are Chucks, Converse All -Stars.

[1338] Yeah, I like Chucks.

[1339] Those are my favorite because they're super simple.

[1340] They're really flat.

[1341] There's no heel.

[1342] And those you, they're the best for working out, too, because you can, like, you push off the ground.

[1343] You work out in your toes?

[1344] Yeah.

[1345] Yeah, or barefoot.

[1346] I like to lift barefoot.

[1347] But if I'm at home, I lift barefoot.

[1348] If I'm at a gym, they make you wear shoes.

[1349] Yeah, you have to wear shoes.

[1350] Because that little thin layer is going to help you.

[1351] drop an 80 pound dumbbell on there right that will save your toe i guess it probably help a little you know i think it might help the cut i don't think it'll help the bone but it might help you split and open yeah i just it's just strange that like this style of shoe like this is these aren't chucks but there's the same thing yeah really thin sole that's supposed to flat no no fat cushion on the bottom like those running shoes with the fat cushion yeah the heel supposed to be really bad for you.

[1352] Supposed, but not, like also a wallet in your back pocket.

[1353] It's supposed to be really bad.

[1354] I have a fucking Costanza wall, but I put it in my, in my, I was wearing like a sports coat so I can put it in the side pocket there.

[1355] People are going to know to pick pocket, you Adam Scorgy.

[1356] They can't get it out.

[1357] They can't get it out.

[1358] I'll tell you, it'll get stuck if they try to.

[1359] I switched to one of these recently, a minimalist wallet.

[1360] It's just a little tiny one that I put in my front pocket.

[1361] No more fanny pack?

[1362] Credit cards.

[1363] I have a fanny pack still.

[1364] Yeah?

[1365] You haven't give up on that way?

[1366] I'm never giving up.

[1367] I'm not giving that up.

[1368] It's the best thing.

[1369] I travel too much.

[1370] It's the best thing for travel.

[1371] I put it on.

[1372] Everything's always right there in the front.

[1373] I have to reach my pockets on airplanes and everything.

[1374] And then when I go through the TSA, I just click, put that sucker in the basket.

[1375] It does make sense.

[1376] I get out of there, click, put it right back on, and we're off.

[1377] It does make sense when you break it down that way.

[1378] I'm always thinking, brother.

[1379] Always thinking, always breaking shit down.

[1380] I just don't understand how the Fannie Pack got out of favor.

[1381] I just I refuse I refuse to accept it never had one satchels people in their satchel it makes part like extra carry on for you it's like an extra little bag yeah yes you can look at that way well that's right when you were thinking I was like actually I might have to I might have to rock one of these for my product because I have my passport and like my green card and everything and then you've got like for us to cross with film gear we have to get like they're called pocket letters so that shows that a Canadian production is hiring Canadian workers we're not taking American jobs or just simply interviewing American subjects and And so I have to have all that documentation and a carne for equipment to show that we're not selling it or equipment that we're bringing down and the whole work.

[1382] So having that would actually be pretty handy where I could have like all my stuff in there and just take it off to go through the belt.

[1383] I had this one lady, only one lady ever on a plane, tell me that that was a bag and that that bag had to either be put in another bag or tucked under my seat.

[1384] And I go, what are you talking about?

[1385] It's a pocket.

[1386] It's a pocket that's in the front.

[1387] It's just not attached to my pants.

[1388] She's like, it's a bag, sir.

[1389] I go, it's a fanny pack It's a fanny pack She made me stuff it in my backpack Oh, you're really going to make me take this off And put it in my backpack For takeoff and landing You have to take all back I've gone lady I've been on a million flights This has never happened before It gets so ridiculous to me When someone tries to get the gold star When you go You can travel a ton like Same airline and everything And then one day someone else is like Yeah I try to target because always I'm filming so I just don't want any reason Especially if I'm going If I'm going in Canada I'll argue a bit more But if I'm going to the United States We have a chance not let me in I just did oh yeah no problem no problem no problem I feel the same way when I go to Canada or anywhere in the world I'm just like yes sir yes sir yep no problem yeah I had a guy pulled me out of the line last time I went to Canada it was there was on my way to do the UFC it was kind of interesting the guy he what is that called not pattern you what is it called oh randomly selected not randomly selected what is it called when um like will you you target someone of Middle Eastern descent, you know, like, what is that called?

[1390] Profile.

[1391] Profile you, yeah.

[1392] Yeah, so the guy looked at me, and he goes, come here, sir, may I talk to you for a second?

[1393] And, like, out of nowhere, there's a line of people that are looking, and everybody goes, you're pretty big guy, what do you do?

[1394] You know, like, what do I do?

[1395] Like, what do I do?

[1396] Like, what did I do wrong?

[1397] And he goes, he goes, what do you here for?

[1398] I go, I work for the Ultimate Fighting Championship.

[1399] He goes, oh, what's up, Joe?

[1400] And then he was cool with me, but I was like, but if he wasn't cool with him, me. You know, like, he had looked at me, like, what do you bring it in steroids or something?

[1401] You lifting weights?

[1402] You got any rocks in that fucking backpack?

[1403] Like, it was like, it was, like, he, I didn't do anything wrong.

[1404] I had all my paperwork, and I had my passport, and I had gone through, and the guy's like, come here, sir, I talked to you for a moment.

[1405] Like, he did not recognize me. I had, like, I had a vortex hat on.

[1406] Yeah.

[1407] You know, like, fucking just a, like, I was just looked like a normal dude, but for whatever reason, I don't know if he decided, like, we're going to, like, target people look like they lift weights or people who, you know.

[1408] who looked like they might be shady?

[1409] I got flagged for a while where I was pulled every time I went through Vancouver Airport because one time I was leaving it was weird.

[1410] My wife had got me a new bag.

[1411] It came with like, she bought me some cologne and then it came.

[1412] It was a Calvin Klein bag, like just a duffel bag that came with the clone.

[1413] So I packed my stuff.

[1414] It was like a two -day trip to New York.

[1415] It was when I was first doing the union, I was looking for crews and I was interviewing producers and stuff like that.

[1416] And it was just a quick trip, but then I came back and then they pulled me aside and then they tested in my bag and they're like your bag is tested positive for cocaine.

[1417] And I was like, what?

[1418] I was like, bullshit.

[1419] I was like, show it to me. I was like, I didn't know, understand at the time and they're like, we found cocaine all over your bag.

[1420] I'm like, bullshit.

[1421] Let me see it.

[1422] There's no, no, no. Like, we tested it.

[1423] There's particles.

[1424] Why would it be on there?

[1425] Do you do cocaine?

[1426] I'm like, never in my life.

[1427] Not even tried it.

[1428] They're like, well, how was it all over your bag?

[1429] I'm like, I have no idea.

[1430] And then so we run in the back for hours.

[1431] And they're like, they're like, okay, quit playing this game.

[1432] We talked to your friend.

[1433] And I'm like, good, well, he would have told you the same thing.

[1434] So I was traveling with a friend.

[1435] I was like, he would have told you the same thing.

[1436] Oh, they tried to go good cop back out of my head?

[1437] He's like, he told us the drill.

[1438] And I was like, what?

[1439] What drill?

[1440] Yeah, that we went to New York.

[1441] We're looking at developing a documentary.

[1442] And it finally came down to where I said, okay, like, tell me how this particle thing works, because I did the night deposit for my nightclub the night before, right?

[1443] And they say a large majority of money, especially in nightclubs and stuff.

[1444] I ask cocaine on it, right?

[1445] People do a rail, wipe their hand, grab the bill.

[1446] And I'd done the cash deposit for the nightclub right before.

[1447] for our flight i put it in that bag went to the night deposit put it in the bank and then i flew out of like six or seven in the morning like pack my gear and stuff so i said could it be that like cocaine was on the money that was then in my bag that and they're like yes we can trace particles like that i'm like well then there's your answer but then they looked at my club strip club cheetahs this then then there then it was just like we're in there longer and it was like so every time i came back and here's the interesting thing is every time i came back through vancouver you're flagged they pull me aside pull me and finally it was so mad it I was like one in the morning.

[1448] I was like, please just don't pull me aside.

[1449] I'm so tired.

[1450] I got to drive to the outskirts of Vancouver to stay at my buddy's place.

[1451] I just want to go to bed.

[1452] It's going to make three minutes.

[1453] Please go to the side.

[1454] I'm like, so I was so mad.

[1455] I just laid on their metal counter.

[1456] I was tired.

[1457] Because you know they do the thing where they put you over there and then nobody comes for like half hour.

[1458] Yeah.

[1459] Just make you sit there.

[1460] So I just laid.

[1461] I started napping.

[1462] It was exhaust.

[1463] It's like 1 .30 in the morning coming back from New York.

[1464] I laid up there and the girl comes to get down.

[1465] I'm like, I'm tired.

[1466] It's 1 .30 in the morning.

[1467] I'm really tired, and I'm not playing any games.

[1468] Like, she, and I finally just said, why am I getting pulled over all the time?

[1469] I've never broken a law.

[1470] You can't, like, there's nothing.

[1471] Every, check your thing.

[1472] I've never done anything.

[1473] I've never brought over items that I shouldn't.

[1474] I haven't meet.

[1475] And she's like, well, the big problem is, is that one time your bag got tested.

[1476] And I was like, I explained that.

[1477] And that should all be in the notes, right?

[1478] She said, yeah, but we always don't trust it when you say you don't do the product, right?

[1479] And it's all over your bag because then we think you're a smuggler.

[1480] She's like, you're almost better to just say, yep, I did some cocaine.

[1481] with friends or whatever and we don't have any on me and I was like but I don't I don't do it I'm not gonna say I did it and she's like well that's why they think you're maybe a smuggler you're doing quick trips to New York it's on your bag well it's like the guy who got in trouble for structuring you know it's like the same you did it similar to what it is so we're gonna take your money was just cash yeah they have a bunch of different techniques that they teach these knuckleheads to try to like recognize shady people and so they like think they're fucking and spies.

[1482] They're, like, think they're detectives.

[1483] Like, staring at everybody.

[1484] I don't know about that Jamie Vernon.

[1485] Look at his face.

[1486] I saw a deceptive tics, sir, and I immediately pulled him out of the wine.

[1487] I actually got the guy really pissed off one.

[1488] Because I used to get, these were the Canadian guys, and I'm a Canadian.

[1489] So I was like, you can't kick me out of my own country.

[1490] So I'd battle with them a little bit harder.

[1491] Right.

[1492] And the one guy asked me, he's like, have you ever done a narcotic?

[1493] And I was like, no, never done a narcotic.

[1494] He's like, if you never smoke weed, I'm like, that's not a narcotic.

[1495] Narcotic comes from the Latin word, meaning narcosis, causing a sleep -induced state, which is usually applied to opiates and heroines and stuff like that oh no he fucking wrong dude i was like marijuana is a psychotropical drug i think he was just like psychotropic right that's a tropical is like a part of the world and and uh and he was just like let's not get to the nitty gritty and said no no no you're a border guard you're asking me questions i'm answering honestly so if you're going to ask me questions you make sure you answer you ask me the right one and i will give you the correct answer and he was like go right you can go that's the difference you Canadians and Americans.

[1496] Americans are going to fuck this guy.

[1497] Make them wait.

[1498] Canadians are more willing to admit defeat.

[1499] Excuse me, sorry.

[1500] Yeah, I just think that the whole border thing is fucking ridiculous.

[1501] It's really ridiculous.

[1502] Well, and I had that debate with one of them, too.

[1503] I'm like, do you guys know where you're starting?

[1504] Like, the big guys smuggle hundreds of tons, like through transport ships.

[1505] I've got one carry -on.

[1506] How much are you getting today?

[1507] Well, you know how few of those transport boxes ever get checked?

[1508] When you look at those gigantic freighterships and they're just covered in those boxes, the vast majority of those boxes never get searched.

[1509] Well, look at Howard Marks from our film, the cannabis smuggler from the UK.

[1510] He was great, by the way to put it in there.

[1511] What he's like, I made deals with the road manager of Pink Floyd Genesis because he's like, of course, even if they did the test thing back then, they're like, it's a band.

[1512] Of course there's weed and stuff.

[1513] And he put it all in there and smuggled it across.

[1514] Yeah, a hash, right?

[1515] inside those speakers and all the different pieces of equipment yeah where's that guy now where does he actually unfortunately he's still in the uk can't really leave the uk i don't think but he just got diagnosed with uh unoperable uh colon cancer so he's taking a turn he's bald now going through thing he's going on kind of a last tour and there's a dock being done specifically just on him and his and his role but uh i mean a brilliant character i love watching the theater everybody's laughing when he's He's hilarious.

[1516] He's got great charisma.

[1517] Yeah, one of the things I thought was really hilarious about him was what he said that if he could do it today He's like, I'd crack it up.

[1518] He's like, I mean, I loved it.

[1519] Yeah, that was great.

[1520] Such a great honest answer.

[1521] And he's just like, he's like, I suppose if I could get away with it, I'd crack it up today.

[1522] I mean, I loved it.

[1523] Well, it sounds like he was having a ball.

[1524] A ball.

[1525] He was like a rocker.

[1526] Yeah, he, and then the other part that's funny, too, is when he talks about the DEA.

[1527] And he's like, they say it was 50 tons.

[1528] I know.

[1529] Of course, you're transported.

[1530] You know what you're getting and receiving.

[1531] I know it was only 30 tons.

[1532] I know how much I was making off of that.

[1533] Yeah.

[1534] He was amazing.

[1535] He was an amazing part of that.

[1536] It's just so important to recognize how silly this whole war on drugs has been and how ineffective this whole war on drugs has been.

[1537] And that these guys who were the enemy are these charismatic, really hilarious, nice people.

[1538] that actually spent lots of time and effort to try to change the laws.

[1539] And we asked him, we're like, you were making a profit on it, though.

[1540] Wasn't he's like, ah, I just feel that it'd be like a rocker.

[1541] I was only going to last so long and kind of just do it as long as I could until I went down, right?

[1542] What's next?

[1543] Are you going to do another documentary on weed?

[1544] Yeah, actually, we've got, not on weed.

[1545] I'm done on weed.

[1546] How can you?

[1547] Colorado.

[1548] No, we're done on weed.

[1549] I've got two in the works right now.

[1550] We actually just got one to prove about Robbie Knievel called Chasing Evil, that we're looking on all about how he was chasing his father's legacy and then ultimately surpassed it and then his own father actually was like threatened by his son rivaling his thing so it became comes pretty dark and then also another one that I've been working on for years to get the finance together it's ice guardians all about the role of NHL enforcers in the history of fighting in hockey and how now it's being weaned out of the game where it started why it evolved over the years it's called the pusification of the world Adam Scorgy.

[1551] Yeah, why are they taking fighting out of hockey?

[1552] How dare they?

[1553] You take away fighting on a hockey, you know what you got figure skating with a black tic -tac.

[1554] Yeah.

[1555] Well, there's some very interesting dynamics that plays into it because such a fast game and you're on a foreign surface with razor blades on your feet and sticks and, you know, a lot of the pro, because we didn't just interview tough guys were interviewing superstars and stuff too, right, that said, like, look, I played my best games when I knew there were, wasn't a chance a guy was going to lift his stick and hit me in the eye or throw an elbow is going to be a concussion.

[1556] He's like, yeah, he can get suspended or get a fine, but nothing is more intimidating than when you have a six foot six killer that he comes and leans over your shoulder and says, if you play reckless like that again, I'm coming.

[1557] Right.

[1558] Yeah.

[1559] So intimidation where it's a fascinating dynamic that's been argued, like kind of like the marijuana thing where there's always the, you know, black and white, but there's so many other nuances to it.

[1560] And for me, the story I thought that's always been misses, these guys are amazing.

[1561] charismatic guys that were so selfless willing to fight on ice, bare knuckle, no weight class to make their dreams of playing in the NHL come true and protect their teammates.

[1562] That part has always been lost in the argument, is how selfless they were.

[1563] And you want to talk about humility, I kind of compare it to what you and Eddie Bravo of talking about jujitsu, where it's like the douchebag Eliminator, right?

[1564] Like someone comes in, I'm the biggest, baddest, and you get like the 16 -year -old to pretzlum three times.

[1565] Well, with the enforcers, they've all been where they've been knocked out or they've lost a fight or something so they're humble as shit they don't know any given day their career can end they get sent to the minors they that does happen too those guys they get beat up real bad too and they're never the same never the same mentally or they get knocked out and then they have so the humility of them they're some of the greatest athletes i've met like getting to work with these guys per example we interviewed a guy that won a stanley cup with the kings um he was a princeton graduate kevin westgarth graduated with a degree in psychology super intellectual guy and in college they don't allow the fighting right they don't have fighting and they wear full cages instead of open visor or open mass so he got drafted to the NHL to play for the kings and they wanted that physical presence that he bought he brought and he got knocked out in a game and against it was like two years ago in calgary and we asked him like what was the first thing that went through your head like when you woke up and realized like you're in front of 16 ,000 people hundreds of thousands of people on hockey night and can have been watching and this part almost brought us all the tears when he was like well once I realized where I was and what happened I was like shit he got me he's like and then the next thing I realized is like wow I let my team down I was like so injury knocked out everything the first thing you're thinking about is that you let your team down he's like yeah he's like I really you know I'm supposed to be the guy there that they depend on that's the backbone to give them it you know strength and everything else and I'd let my team down and several of these guys had said that and that selfishness that they're willing to give to their team to help them win, that to me is so much more, you know, when you're going through the journey of a documentary, so much more compelling than just statistical arguments and stuff like that.

[1566] Yeah, I always wonder, like, when you see violence in NHL or football, I wonder how much longer that's going to be a part of society.

[1567] It's interesting.

[1568] It's very interesting how, like, but I, but then UFC has never been more popular, right?

[1569] Um, there's arguments that it's, it's oversaturated.

[1570] Um, I disagree.

[1571] I think it's just, I think they're, what there is is there's ebbs and flows.

[1572] Yeah.

[1573] And it's depending upon, um, a bunch of factors, dominant champions, champions get dethroned.

[1574] There's new guys coming up, they, but they don't have the same, like Chris Wideman, although he beat Anderson Silva twice, better than Anderson Silva, arguably, especially today.

[1575] It still doesn't have the name that Anderson Silva had.

[1576] George St. Pierre, sort of the same thing.

[1577] Robbie Lawler, who's currently the champ, doesn't have the name that George had.

[1578] Although, you know, he'd probably be favored.

[1579] If George and Robbie fought today, Robbie'd probably be favored.

[1580] I think George is far more popular.

[1581] Yeah.

[1582] And that's just one of those things, like Brock Lesnar.

[1583] Yeah.

[1584] Kane Velasquez does not have the popularity that Brock Lesnar had.

[1585] Obviously, in a different reason, because for a different reason, because he was the W .W .E. champ and big pro wrestling guy.

[1586] But he was very loud and spoken.

[1587] And, like, he was almost a perfect villain, right?

[1588] He wanted to see him lose because of his.

[1589] some of his antics and the way he act like I'm a ridiculous fan I watch all the time so yeah me too I get what you're saying like GSP in Canada I mean you're talking about like a god there right yeah but not even just in Canada all throughout the world I mean he has so many characteristics so many character traits just he was an honorable martial artist who is a great fighter yeah that's that's what he is and a well -spoken guy and just he's so classy like everything about him he's just He's a brilliant person.

[1590] Well, and that's what I think some of the other fighters may not have, is that, I mean, you had the full package with GSP, right?

[1591] Like, physically, he looked astonishing, too, right?

[1592] Like, if you were to look, you're like, oh, wow, I can see how he's a champion.

[1593] Like, he's ripped.

[1594] He's this.

[1595] Very polite.

[1596] Always, like, after a fight.

[1597] I want to give my guy credit.

[1598] I know he'll be back stronger and more competitive next time.

[1599] Like, that's much more marketable.

[1600] Other guys, you know, don't have, like, Kane Velasquez, and I think he's a destroyer, but he's much more monotone like he doesn't have I think that would have been fine if he didn't get injured so much I think what's held cane back is he's only fought a few times over the last four years he just keeps getting injured shoulder surgery knee surgery I mean he's had one after the other he's had several knee injuries two separate shoulder operations on both shoulders I mean his mental toughness and his drive and the training routine that those guys go through is just so unfucking believably brutal that his body just can't keep up.

[1601] That's what I was going to say because he puts a pace for a heavyweight that you just can't, I mean lightweights can't put the pace that he puts on like he really does.

[1602] I get exhausted watching him.

[1603] He out -conditions guys when they, like guys who train at AKA he'll talk about he out -conditions Walter weights and they can't believe it.

[1604] He out -conditions some of the 155 pounds.

[1605] It's crazy I mean he's moving around a hundred more pounds and somehow or another he can keep up with them and surpass them.

[1606] He's a freak, but I think the injuries is what has held him back from being insanely popular, because he's huge in the Mexican community.

[1607] He's going to fight in Mexico.

[1608] They're fighting Fabrizio Burdume.

[1609] That's fast fight.

[1610] Great fight in June.

[1611] And I can't wait to see that fight, and that's going to be in Mexico City, which is going to be really crazy, because they're fighting at, I think it's 7 ,000 feet above sea level.

[1612] It's very high altitude.

[1613] Mexico City is no joke when it comes to altitude.

[1614] Like, you really feel it.

[1615] Well, I know even we go to Park City, my family, as I was in Park City, and just in Utah, the elevation up there.

[1616] My dad, I thought my dad was having a heart attack the first time we went skiing.

[1617] He fell off the first run, and he was like, I'm like, Dad, are you okay?

[1618] And he's like, oh, I think the elevate, like I'm having troubles breathing.

[1619] Yeah.

[1620] And then after a few runs, we kind of got a little bit adjusted, but it was interesting to see.

[1621] I was like, wow, I can't imagine in fighting.

[1622] Like, that's just going down skiing.

[1623] Like, yes, it's physical, but not like competing in any kind of fight game.

[1624] Did you ever see Mark Hunt versus Ben Rothwell?

[1625] that was a fight that took place in Denver it was fucking ridiculous these guys were so tired they were going to die they were just like swinging from their shoulder joints by the end of the I mean it was all will and heart after a certain point in time there's just no energy left and we've never had like a real long heavyweight fight at high altitude other than that fight I think this this last one between Fabricio Verdom and Mark Hunt ended in the second round Fabricio caught him with a knee but like they get into like a junior dos Santos versus cane Velasquez type fight which those fights were fucking brutal I don't think juniors ever been the same since then um I don't think he has either seems to have effect didn't he get really sick from like overtraining in one of them it was yes he fought in the second fight he had what they call rabdomylosis yeah which is what those crossfit people get I think I'm saying it right yeah yeah that um that comes from your your body just overtraining to the point where your kidneys are breaking down and failing.

[1626] And they're feeding on your own muscle, right?

[1627] Yeah, it's awful.

[1628] Yeah, it's awful.

[1629] That's just, it was just such an unbelievably brutal fight.

[1630] So I think it was that and it was also the fact, the brutality of the fight itself and then also perhaps over -training to prepare for Kane's insane cardio, you know, because Kane just, he brings it on a level that, and a lot of it, they, according to the guys that train with him is genetic.

[1631] Like, he can just take three or four weeks off.

[1632] like get injured somebody come back outwork everybody well you can I compare and in my very limited boxing career but when you talk about I hear you talking about like you can't train power right like that's something like there's genetic aspects in the way your body can't train certain amount of power certain amount of power yeah like um George Foreman type power what when I did either have or you don't when I box that was one thing I was very young I was 15 at 135 but I mean at that weight I hit really hard right straight right hand was really by the end of my sparring partners they'd only put me in with 25 -year -olds because they are worried that if I lost my temper, I might hurt the necks of 15 -year -olds, right?

[1633] Like, not trying to sound like a hercules, but just that was my, you know, for me, that came instantly.

[1634] The first time I started learning focus paths for me that was there.

[1635] You know what the problem with that is, with a lot of folks, is that they rely on that and they don't develop the skills like the guys, like a Wayne McCullough, or like a guy who doesn't necessarily have brutal one -punch knockout power, like even Julio Cesar Chavez, arguably one of the greatest of all time.

[1636] Yeah.

[1637] Didn't have that vicious one -punch power, but he just would go at you with accumulation of perfectly placed punches.

[1638] I would bet on that any time that, like, that better conditioning will, because it really, like, and we're going back to the mental thing, like, especially if a power puncher, if you fight that guy that just he's not going down and he's got that chin and you hit, and like you said, then you're over -coming, you're like, okay, wow, this guy might have to actually, like, outlast him condition -wise and start being like, like, then all of a sudden you already start second -guessing yourself and you're losing.

[1639] You're like, oh, shit.

[1640] Like, I saw it in the Showtime Pettus, the last fight.

[1641] When he got caught in the eye, right?

[1642] And he took it for, who's the Brazilian that he fought?

[1643] Is it awesome.

[1644] I thought I saw it then.

[1645] I was like, wow, he looks like he might be second -guessing himself right now.

[1646] He's like, holy, I can't get space from this guy.

[1647] I can't impose my will.

[1648] And once that mind starts turning that you start second -guessing, like, is my, I had it in the ring, my loss, where it was like, I got whoop.

[1649] because I was relying too much of my power, didn't train enough, and then got beat.

[1650] That's the same thing with Jiu -Jitsu as well.

[1651] I always tell people, like, if you really want to learn Jiu -Jitsu right, learn it from a small guy, because small guys rely on perfect technique.

[1652] Like, if you look at, like, the really big, physically strong guys that are good at Jiu -Jitsu, there's a totally different style that they have, then, like, say, a Barrett Yoshida, or a Hoyler Gracie, or an Eddie Bravo, or, you know, There's a bunch of those guys that are smaller guys that have Leo Vieira perfect technique.

[1653] And you need perfect technique when you're a physically smaller person.

[1654] Because when you're in the gym, if you go to John Jacques Machado's Jiu -Jitsu Academy or whatever, you're going to roll with a bunch of different people.

[1655] Like somebody might roll with you.

[1656] You're probably like, what, 215 pounds or something like that?

[1657] Yeah, 210.

[1658] I've come down a little bit in science.

[1659] Or you might roll with Jamie, who's probably like 170, right?

[1660] What's that?

[1661] 175 some of that what you've been saying yeah yeah like there's and you know if you're a small person like no one if i weigh 150 pounds i'm not going to out muscle you i have to figure out a way to work around you i have to figure out a way to get your back or have to figure out a way to use technique only because i can't overpower you but you can overpower a lot of people yeah and big man jiu jihitsu is kind of shitty jiu jiu jitsu because big men are just always trying to force their way into things yeah a lot of wrestlers have that as well because wrestlers are used to fighting guys in their weight class.

[1662] They used to, or wrestling, rather, guys in their weight class, and they used to just grinding and full power and speed and explosion and be a harder worker and all that stuff.

[1663] Whereas with Jiu -Jitsu, it's about moving around it and it's all about...

[1664] Or the chess game.

[1665] Yeah, well, it's just about understanding technique and positioning.

[1666] And if you learn from like a Guy Mendez or something like, the Mendes brothers are famous for being small guys who just tap much larger guys on a regular basis.

[1667] And it's just that pure technique, understanding the leverage, understanding the positions.

[1668] And you only get that from being smaller.

[1669] And I think if you look at a guy like Floyd Mayweather, Floyd Mayweather has a bunch of knockouts in his career, but he just does not have the kind of one -punch knockout power that a lot of other fighters do.

[1670] Even combo knockout power, he doesn't have it.

[1671] Also, he's so fucking smart when it comes to boxing.

[1672] He's so fucking smart that he realizes the most important thing is don't get hit.

[1673] It is the most important thing.

[1674] Well, for your health and for scoring and for the whole work.

[1675] For everything.

[1676] I mean, what he does to people shuts all their offense down.

[1677] You just can't hit him.

[1678] He's moving.

[1679] He's popping you with the jab.

[1680] He's popping you with the right hand.

[1681] He's clenching.

[1682] He's getting the fuck out of the way.

[1683] And he's not going to stand toe to toe and dig his heels in and try to swing with you like some fighters would do.

[1684] Like some fighters who would make things exciting, you know, like a Mickey Ward or an Arturo Gotti, like those two guys make it together and fucking go to war.

[1685] Well, like Ray Mancini, that was his style, right?

[1686] Is that he could out -condition you, out -condition you.

[1687] Will you?

[1688] Ray actually was really disappointed that they took away the championship rounds, like after his fight, because boxing made a ruling to try to...

[1689] It wasn't just his fight, it was a compound of a few other things, but they no longer had fights past the 12 round.

[1690] And Ray, he's like, I guess, like, he's saying...

[1691] The science doesn't show that you take any more damage in those rounds, and in the first rounds when a guy's strong and crisp, right?

[1692] Like, you can still deliver the same amount.

[1693] and for Ray he's like those were my best rounds like when you would tire and you'd almost want to give up or your will would break a little bit he's like 12 13 14 15 that's when I'm coming on strongest right let's see if you really have what it takes to be a champion well you see that with some guy like mighty mouse demetre's Johnson he's a perfect example of technique mighty mouse is the 125 pound UFC champion and a guy in my opinion who's the best overall pound for pound fighter ever that's why do you I think that he's not, like, I mean, I'm a fan, so I know who he, but why do you think he's not as made, like, not as known?

[1694] Because he weighs 125 pounds.

[1695] Just the size is it?

[1696] Look, I'm 5 '8, and when I interview him in the octagon, I look like a giant, you know, he's a small guy.

[1697] It just, there's just no getting around that.

[1698] It's just, there's a reality of physics.

[1699] And, you know, people just, they want to see, look, in his last fight, he finished the fight with one second to go in the fifth round of a fight.

[1700] He was totally dominating.

[1701] He went for an arm bar and got it with one.

[1702] second to go.

[1703] Against Horaguchi, who's this badass motherfucker.

[1704] Horaguchi's a maniac.

[1705] You know, he fights, he's got this wild aggressive style.

[1706] Couldn't hit Demetrius.

[1707] He's just so good.

[1708] He's so slick, and he epitomizes the technique and knowledge and strategy angle of fighting.

[1709] Everything he does is technique, knowledge, and strategy.

[1710] He's not overpowering anybody or muscling or taking one to give one.

[1711] of that nonsense.

[1712] There's zero that nonsense going on.

[1713] So, in my opinion, like, when I look at, like, you know, people say, well, John Jones is the best.

[1714] Well, certainly one of the best.

[1715] Like, look how tiny is there.

[1716] You know, but that's him making weight, though.

[1717] He'll gain a little bit of weight after that, too.

[1718] Before he gets into the octagon, he's very sucked in there.

[1719] Which is also an unfortunate aspect of fighting.

[1720] And also an interesting aspect, like with Daku Kim, they started making weigh -ins the day before.

[1721] Yeah.

[1722] Which they didn't during that fight.

[1723] And another interesting thing is that almost all the deaths that have happened in boxing a vast majority of the serious injuries came from guys who cut a significant amount of weight and when you cut that weight you put your brain at risk apparently because you dehydrate everything and it takes a long time to rehydrate your brain fluid and spinal fluid and all that stuff when you're when you're sucking yourself dry you're taking you can't spit like people don't know what it's like it's a horrible i did that for one of my body that was actually the fight I lost was when I really depleted myself and was spitting in a cup and putting us a garbage bag over and skipping and running and wrestlers constantly do that I mean they brutalize their body doing that and what's the difference between wrestling and fighting though of course is that when you're wrestling dehydrated you're not getting kicked in the head you know when you're kicked in the head might actually well I don't think it's better but at least it'll be quick you know you get kicked in the head it's over quick instead of taking a barrage of punishment, yeah.

[1724] You mean, you see some fights where they go on for 10 rounds of just a beat down, and then finally the guy will collapse in the 10th round.

[1725] You're like, how much can the brain take?

[1726] How much, and especially a brain that has already been significantly weakened by dehydrating.

[1727] I hate dehydration in fighting.

[1728] I think it's the number one problem that the UFC has other than, you know, some issues with like different rules and knees on the ground.

[1729] There's a few other issues.

[1730] think the number one safety issue is dehydration and I don't know how to stop it because people are always going to try to get that competitive edge you would have to like get everyone together and say can we just make an agreement where we just fight at the weight that we are you know you're going to have one fucking guy fuck that up even if you did if a majority 90 % of the fighters are on you're going to have a few of those guys that no doubt no doubt I mean what's interesting with the head check is Ray I talk like Ray's in great shape how's he doing now like mentally fine he had a cat scan he's like he talks a little He talks a little, but his dad did the same thing where they just talk with their animated and their hands.

[1731] But his voice sounds a little, it's a little slurry.

[1732] It times when he, it's funny when you put him, like, because when we toured the film and you go to festivals and stuff and you get him in front, he speaks immaculately, right?

[1733] He gets excited.

[1734] Yeah, but when you kind of just hanging out, sometimes it kind of stutters a little bit.

[1735] Give him a couple of beers.

[1736] He says that he's, he's had a scan and he said he's like, no bad scar tissue and stuff like that.

[1737] That's incredible.

[1738] He was very good.

[1739] As soon as he ended his career, though, he didn't even spar.

[1740] Like, because I asked him, like, oh, do you still work out?

[1741] And he's like, yeah, still hit the bag and run.

[1742] I'm like, do spars?

[1743] He's like, no, no, no. He's like, I put all my wars when I competed.

[1744] As soon as I stop, no more sparring.

[1745] I don't care if it's a friend that wants to, like, done.

[1746] Good for him.

[1747] Headshots were over, right?

[1748] Well, Sugar Ray Leonard is kind of the same way.

[1749] Sugar Ray Leonard, you know, you could tell there's a little loss there.

[1750] There's a little struggle when Sugar Ray Leonard has to talk about things.

[1751] You did pretty well.

[1752] There's a little hitch in his step as opposed to when he was younger.

[1753] But, you know, as far as the amount of fights that guy had, championship fights against guys like Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler, I mean, Roberto Duran, he fought some of the best of the best.

[1754] To get through that and be a regularly functioning man in his 50s, then there's also depression.

[1755] There's a bunch of things that go along with head trauma that we're starting to find out about that, man, if they could figure out a way to mitigate that, or, you know, or fix it once it's become an issue, because it's one of the few things that once the function is compromised, there's really not much they can do about it.

[1756] They can repair your shoulder, you know?

[1757] Well, isn't it?

[1758] Because you talk about alpha brain a lot, wasn't the original guy that started looking into new tropics, like a football player that had a whole bunch of brain?

[1759] No, he's definitely not the original guy.

[1760] Bill Romanowski, but that's how I found out about it.

[1761] He has a great product that you could buy right now.

[1762] It's called Neuro 1.

[1763] Yeah.

[1764] And Neuro 1, I found out, There used to be this show in San Francisco called Sarah No Name on Alice.

[1765] There was a radio station called Alice.

[1766] And I'd do the radio station all the time.

[1767] And No Name was one of the DJs.

[1768] He was friends with Romanoowski, and Romanoxie would train him and take him to work out with him and stuff.

[1769] And Romanoowski gave him this tub of this stuff that he had called Neuro 1.

[1770] He gave him some sample packs to give away.

[1771] And I took it.

[1772] And I was like, whoa, this stuff has got something in it, man. He was like, it's for brain function.

[1773] I was like, well, what does it do?

[1774] And he goes, and then he explained it to me, and then I, there was, I don't even think there was Google at the time.

[1775] So I have, that's like ancient.

[1776] We're talking about the olden days.

[1777] Oh, yeah, well, this is when I was doing morning radio.

[1778] I haven't done morning radio in a long, I occasionally do it, but I used to do it for every gig I did.

[1779] I'd have to do morning radio to promote the gig.

[1780] So I, um, I go and start looking up, uh, various things in neutropics, and I found out about paracetim and all these.

[1781] That was how we eventually got into developing alpha brain.

[1782] But Neuro 1, Romanowski developed because he was having issues with his cognitive function after a series of concussions.

[1783] I mean, playing in the NFL, who knows how many times that guy got concussed.

[1784] I mean, it's just up in the air.

[1785] So he, you know, he took a proactive approach to dealing with it and built up this line of products.

[1786] And what is it like an alpha brain in that one?

[1787] Are there any benefits kind of like just a vitamin if you take it on a regular basis for people that have had had trauma?

[1788] can make things like i know it's not a miracle pill that's going to correct it but i wouldn't even want to speculate quite honestly i mean i take it all the time but i take it from memory i take it for brett brett like raves about it when he was writing the culture high like that was part of it he's like adam you need to get me alpha brain when i'm writing like he for him that's his thing he's like when i'm writing and being creative he wants alpha brain it's not going to turn us a dummy into a smart person no but what it what it will do is it gives you you know that human neurotransmitters, and this is obviously coming from an untrained, uneducated monkey when you hear me talk, but human neurotransmitters, essentially everything that your body has, right?

[1789] And your body is developed based on the building blocks that you put into it, nutritional building blocks.

[1790] I mean, that's the only thing your body takes in.

[1791] Other than that, you literally can't replicate all the cells in your body without food and nutrition.

[1792] I mean, that's literally what it's there for.

[1793] And the more healthy precursors for neurotransmitters, the more healthy foods, the more healthy nutrients you take into your body, the better your body functions, period.

[1794] And they've isolated a bunch of different nutrients that can help your brain function better.

[1795] And there's not just this stuff that's an alpha brain.

[1796] If you just Google neutropics, you know, and I try to be as even about this as possible, because even though I'm a part of it and I sell it, I want everybody to, understand.

[1797] Like, this isn't voodoo.

[1798] It's not snake oil.

[1799] It's not the, the Boston Center for Memory that did the tests on Alpha Brain is a very well -respected institution.

[1800] We brought them two separate, double -blind, placebo -controlled studies.

[1801] The one was a pilot study that was 20 people.

[1802] Another one was 63 people.

[1803] And both of them showed improvements in memory, improvements in executive function, improvements in reaction time.

[1804] And it's not mumbo -jumbo.

[1805] It's all based on what does your body need to produce human neurotransmitters?

[1806] There's certain nutrients.

[1807] Take those nutrients.

[1808] Your body will produce human neurotransmitters more effective.

[1809] What is the benefit?

[1810] The benefit is you don't have to search for words as much.

[1811] You'll have better cognitive function and you react to things quicker.

[1812] You'll have better reaction time.

[1813] It makes perfect sense.

[1814] I know just basically when we go on road trips and we're shooting and we're working long hours and you're trying to get to interviews because when you're doing interviews for docs, they're free interviews.

[1815] So it's on those person's time.

[1816] We set up and then we're trying to make theatrical.

[1817] So you've got to set up the light.

[1818] They're long days.

[1819] And we go eat like shit and I'm crushing energy drinks and so I feel it.

[1820] At the end of the week, like my body's like, what are you doing to yourself, right?

[1821] And then when I get back and I start eating like, you know, good fishes and vegetables and protein, then I'm like, oh, now I feel better.

[1822] And sleep.

[1823] There's very few things as important as sleep.

[1824] I mean, you need all those nutrients.

[1825] But if you take all those nutrients and you're not giving your body a chance to utilize them and recover and rest, you're not going to have the benefits.

[1826] There's a guy we had on Dr. Andrew Hill.

[1827] who has a product that I really like to called True Brain and he gave us somewhere at the studio I like that as well it's a different formula than Alpha Brain but there's a bunch of these different formulas you can find a bunch of them online experiment try it out what we try to do with Alpha Brain just make it as ethical as possible so like if you take this is a 30 pill count if you take this you get 90 days if at 90 days you say this stuff is bullshit it's not doing anything you get 100 % of your money back you don't even have to return the package And the only reason why we did that is because, like, what's the best way to ensure that no one is going to complain about being ripped off?

[1828] But still people.

[1829] I was going to say people probably still found a way.

[1830] Oh, yeah, man. People get angry.

[1831] But they're always going to be angry at everything.

[1832] If you don't believe in neutropics, don't buy them.

[1833] That's fine.

[1834] But if you Google it or if you just go to the On It website and read all the research on Alpha Brain, read all the references.

[1835] If you don't think that there's something in all that, then just walk away from it.

[1836] Just, but if you, if you're interested, like, you know, and people say, it's not worth it.

[1837] To me, cognitive function is one of the most important things to me. The way, the quality of my thinking, the way my brain works.

[1838] I've experienced dull thinking.

[1839] I've been disappointed in my thinking.

[1840] I've been disappointed in my process.

[1841] And I've also been like, ooh, I'm on right now.

[1842] This is great.

[1843] I'm getting things done.

[1844] And I try to steer towards anything that gets me to the I'm on.

[1845] Yeah.

[1846] And the nutrition is the biggest one.

[1847] me without a doubt the biggest factor in how my brain functions is eating a lot of vegetables and eating healthy foods and keeping away from shitty foods keeping away from sugar if i do all that i guarantee i i feel i know i feel a difference i feel a difference the way my brain functions i'm the same way but when we travel sometimes it gets tough and i need it's the most hard i need to start getting some of your nature box snacks that's what i need to start hooking up those are pretty good yeah well just eat fruit too you know when you're on the road go to supermarket you know if you're on the road supermarket you can go go to the fruit aisle get some apples get some oranges get some bananas and leave them in your hotel room you know that you're going to ensure that you're going to be taking in fresh nutrients yeah it's just a little trip to the supermarket it's not that hard a lot of times I need to start putting that into the line items of things to get done you know what I get too man when I go to I get kombucha I don't have one right here oh I know kombucha oh dude this big for for probiotics as far as like your immune system health is like one of the best things I love it it makes a huge impact I very very very rarely get sick and I travel a lot I don't get sick lots I'm fortunate there knock on wood I'm good with that but I just feel I get run down I put on weight and then I get it in my face right away I'll see pictures when we're on the road I'm like fuck I was eating bad and like my face gets pudgy I see it right away that's inflammation too like sugar yeah well that's what you're crushing energy drinks and all that crap oh yeah so those are acid and a can.

[1848] Like, you can feel like when you burp them up and stuff, you're like, that is acid.

[1849] I'm surprised it doesn't just eat through my stomach and leak out of my belly button.

[1850] I'll tell you what, though, Red Bull is fucking delicious.

[1851] It is delicious.

[1852] One of those assholes put in Red Bull to make it so yummy.

[1853] I'm with you.

[1854] I like the taste.

[1855] I like the taste, too.

[1856] It's good.

[1857] I crush those.

[1858] Like, when we go on the road, we actually had a joke, we had our sound guy when we were filming the culture.

[1859] I came in our van, and he's like, why does your van smell like Red Bull?

[1860] We're like, look at all the cans in the back.

[1861] We were crushing Red Bull and we're like, that's why it smells like Red Bowl.

[1862] That stuff is super bad for you though.

[1863] So bad.

[1864] Especially when you drink those big ones, like a gas station.

[1865] I don't want to ever go, I've really been good at that that I don't ever drink more than two of the small sugar -free.

[1866] That's the most I drink.

[1867] Back in the when we were working on the cold, Thursdays I drank like four or five like giving myself.

[1868] That's really scary.

[1869] Yeah.

[1870] Well, there's a gas station then I go to that sells them and they have the normal size ones but then they have these giant ones.

[1871] Like, what the fuck?

[1872] Those would look like a heart attack in a can to me. I'm scared.

[1873] Do they say more than one portion on it when you read the giant ones?

[1874] Does it say like three servings or something sneaky?

[1875] Well, I thought it said that on the small ones.

[1876] I do not drink more than one can per day and then now you have those giant bullets when I'm like...

[1877] If they give it to you and just write somewhere in the fine print, there's four servings per can, you know, they're good.

[1878] Yeah, they're good.

[1879] Because they'll say like one serving is 200 milligrams of caffeine.

[1880] Four servings per can.

[1881] Wait a minute.

[1882] How...

[1883] Hold on.

[1884] How much can you drink before your dick explodes?

[1885] How much can you drink before your fucking head oozes out of your ears?

[1886] Well, I always wonder when I see someone that's really overweight and they're crushing one of those giant.

[1887] I'm like, man, you're putting your heart at risk, I'd have to think.

[1888] Like that...

[1889] Yeah, I had a friend who used to carry one of those monster energy drinks with him.

[1890] You literally never saw him without one of those things.

[1891] He was completely addicted to them.

[1892] He was drinking them all day long.

[1893] And he went to a spin class.

[1894] And he went to a spin class with my friend.

[1895] And he was fucking dying.

[1896] And he literally had to get off the bike.

[1897] His heart was pounding.

[1898] I'm like, dude, you're on speed.

[1899] Yeah, you're on speed.

[1900] You've probably taken a thousand milligrams of caffeine the last few hours.

[1901] Well, since there's been no regular, or there's some regular, but you've been hearing about young kids and stuff on sports teams having big problems, right?

[1902] Or the five -hour energies and stuff, right, killing people.

[1903] Five -hour energies kill people?

[1904] Well, I thought that was like a low caffeine.

[1905] But some people, when they're studying or something like that, they crush four or five, right?

[1906] Yeah, but I'm pretty sure five -hour energy drink is low caffeine.

[1907] And it's like vitamin B12 and a bunch of other shit And check that Jamie Google and see if there's to make sure I'm not Yeah Speaking out of my ass But I thought I'd read some articles on that of people that You know they were looking at the cause of death and it was like really high Caffeine levels or or what's the like grana seed or maohung that's in a lot of those things?

[1908] Yeah, yeah Guarana seed so Yeah, that's a natural form of caffeine, right?

[1909] Isn't it?

[1910] I think it's similar stimulus There's like a mixture of them that they would put in because when Aphedron like was taken out of a lot of of them than they put those things.

[1911] Ephedra.

[1912] Did you ever have rip fuel?

[1913] You ever try that stuff?

[1914] A good buddy of mine who's a big fan.

[1915] He'd love a show.

[1916] My buddy Jared was addicted to, we joke about it.

[1917] Like in the morning, I'd hear him because we roomed in New York and I'd hear the ch -ch -ch -ch -ch -ch -ch of his bottle, and he would take the ephedra, like, a daily routine.

[1918] Okay, so look at this.

[1919] The extra has 230 milligrams of caffeine.

[1920] The regular one has 200?

[1921] What is de -calf?

[1922] The five -hour energy?

[1923] The fuck out of here.

[1924] here so how much is that compared to a cup of coffee i think 200 milligrams is a Starbucks large like a venty Starbucks i think right google that find that out but then what's the other stuff in it too right like is there like a mixture if you do a lot of the caffeine and the sodium vitamin b12 large b12 wow look at that 8 ,333 % of the daily value yeah so 500 mcgs of B -12, folic...

[1925] What'd you do?

[1926] Oh, that kind of shows the comparison there to Red Bulls and stuff like that?

[1927] Nyacin, which is healthy for you.

[1928] Energy blend.

[1929] Look at this, though.

[1930] What is that?

[1931] Energy blend.

[1932] Where do you see that?

[1933] Right there at the bottom.

[1934] Torrine, which is funky.

[1935] How do you say that?

[1936] Glucuronic acid.

[1937] Malic acid, a couple different amino acids, caffeine.

[1938] so there's more caffeine on top of it and the energy blend, right?

[1939] Or is that blend where the caffeine comes from?

[1940] I guess the caffeine comes from that blend.

[1941] Yeah.

[1942] So what is in a carb?

[1943] So there one is like...

[1944] Oh, two and a half cup.

[1945] Notice how they have Dunkin' Donuts coffee, not Tim Horton.

[1946] So one of those is two and a half cans of fucking Red Bull?

[1947] Yeah, see?

[1948] So that's what I think the articles I saw.

[1949] Whoa, I'm totally wrong on this.

[1950] because the commercials would say that it's the same as a cup of coffee.

[1951] Whoa, that's weird.

[1952] Yeah, I thought they were seeing that, you know, and again, it goes to that abuse thing.

[1953] Just some people are overloading when they're doing schooling.

[1954] They're crushing, like, five.

[1955] Well, they're that big.

[1956] Yeah.

[1957] It's a shot.

[1958] I mean, it's like, it's easy to do two or three of those.

[1959] If you do four or five in a row, yeah, you're taking in a thousand milligrams of caffeine.

[1960] I had no idea.

[1961] I thought it was, for some reason, I thought it was like 65 milligrams.

[1962] Okay, Red Bull, Rockstar.

[1963] Where's the coffee?

[1964] It doesn't have coffee on this one.

[1965] Well, just find out what a Starbucks is.

[1966] Find out what Starbucks coffee is.

[1967] I think that red line was like a really scary one.

[1968] Did you ever have one of those?

[1969] I don't even know those around anymore.

[1970] I drank a half of one of those once, and I read it was one of those several servings per can.

[1971] There's not a big can either, but it was like, whoa!

[1972] I actually had a day in one of our shoots where I'd had too much energy drinks, and the next day I actually felt like I was really hung over.

[1973] 16 ounces, 330 milligrams?

[1974] Holy.

[1975] What?

[1976] Hmm.

[1977] Find out if that's universally true because I've seen it at different numbers.

[1978] What's that?

[1979] 330, 415 for the Venti.

[1980] Oh, my goodness.

[1981] 260 for a tall?

[1982] That's incredible.

[1983] Wow.

[1984] That is crazy.

[1985] A tall has 260 milligrams.

[1986] But, you know, here's the other thing.

[1987] If you get a, like, a coffee from a diner, like a regular cup of coffee, it's way less than that.

[1988] Yeah.

[1989] Yeah.

[1990] Eight ounce?

[1991] Yeah.

[1992] What is it?

[1993] Five.

[1994] That's decaf.

[1995] That's decaf.

[1996] 55.

[1997] 123.

[1998] 8 ounce.

[1999] Yeah.

[2000] 8 ounce brewed cup of coffee from a regular, you know, place is somewhere in the neighborhood of 133.

[2001] If it's instant coffee, it's 93.

[2002] That's a big difference.

[2003] 133 and 260.

[2004] Fucking A man. And 330 for a venti?

[2005] That's insane.

[2006] That's a lot of goddamn caffeine.

[2007] Recommended daily limit.

[2008] So, yeah.

[2009] So if you had, you know, 400 is supposed to be the daily limit.

[2010] And if you have students doing four or five of those five -hour energies, right, you're going up to 1 ,000.

[2011] You're putting yourself at risky levels.

[2012] And it's so easy to do.

[2013] So easy.

[2014] Done.

[2015] Energy things are weird, man, because they're so prevalent.

[2016] We're always looking for that boost, that little picket.

[2017] me up, but we don't want to take pills.

[2018] Pills are bad.

[2019] But like you said, I'm a, like, if I give myself a treat now, because I try not to have energy drinks on the weekend, I'll be like, I'll have a sugar -free red bull and a snickers, right?

[2020] Like, I'll go get to chew.

[2021] Yeah.

[2022] Get a little crazy.

[2023] Get crazy.

[2024] Because, uh, well, the kids are eating sugar all fucking day long, so I get jealous because I...

[2025] Do you let your kids eat sugar all the time like that?

[2026] Not all the time, but they're so bad.

[2027] No, well, they get into it.

[2028] My boy is such a little ninja.

[2029] We put all the candy on, like, way high to where I have to reach up.

[2030] It's on, and the guy, he pushes the goddamn stools in, it's in a pantry, opens the door, pushes it up, and he'll get up there and reach up the licorice.

[2031] And then we come down, we're like, hey, where'd you get that?

[2032] And he's like, from the pantry.

[2033] How old is he?

[2034] Three.

[2035] How about you keep an eye on your three -year -old, you fuck?

[2036] Jesus Christ, just letting him wander around.

[2037] What about the knives?

[2038] Let him pick up the, where'd you get the gun, son?

[2039] What?

[2040] Found it.

[2041] Well, we just let him play with the butcher's knives, not the other ones.

[2042] Keep an eye out of them, man. Yeah, it's, the sugar thing is a big draw for kids, man. It's crazy when you see you like my daughter had a party recently and when it came time to cut the cake Those little motherfuckers come over with a glaze looking like they were asking me. May I have a big piece?

[2043] Yeah, may have a big piece?

[2044] All the whipped cream, all the whipped cream.

[2045] The little crazy little eyes, little crazy sugar eyes.

[2046] It's just weird like you're giving them a drug, you know?

[2047] A delicious drug.

[2048] Fucking cake's awesome.

[2049] I'm not anti -cake.

[2050] Yeah.

[2051] But I'm just saying it's something weird about seeing like little five -year -olds, just all glassy -eyed lining up to get cake.

[2052] And it's all they, like, I mean, we're really big.

[2053] And, like, you know, and our kids are pretty good.

[2054] Like, they eat fish and they eat vegetables, but they always want, like, I mean, when it's time for candy, that's sweets is what they're pushing for all the time.

[2055] It's really unnatural.

[2056] The concentration of processed sugar in our foods is so unnatural, and the body's just not designed for it.

[2057] And the rush that it gets for it, you know, for that is like your body wants to recreate that rush.

[2058] Like, kids fucking love it.

[2059] Like, you find me a kid that doesn't love candy.

[2060] You know, they all love it.

[2061] It's gross.

[2062] and there's probably a documentary in that It's an interesting one Because a lot of times when people There's not too many that come and try to like debate me on Twitter and stuff They don't last very long if they do And they try to bring up wicked stupid arguments Like well you can abuse marijuana and I was like yeah You can abuse just about anything That's a silly argument It's so stupid Those arguments are so they're mind -numbing to me Yeah Like the Nancy Grace one I mean there's a picture of me and Nancy Grace side by side Where Nancy Grace is talking about Yeah no marijuana makes you fat We posted that and it got like some of the more like 14 ,000 likes or something like that.

[2063] It's the whole thing silly.

[2064] If you're a lazy person, you're going to be a lazy person.

[2065] It's that simple.

[2066] Even a person who's like really fit and healthy might occasionally like tying one on with their friends.

[2067] It's fun sometimes.

[2068] It's just moderation.

[2069] You know, there's plenty of things that you can do that aren't necessarily healthy if you do them all the time.

[2070] But you're not going to really pay the price.

[2071] Yeah, this is to say, yeah, we've treated silly.

[2072] This was the thing that came up with, you know, the law enforcement we interviewed is if the whole idea when you hear the other side is to reduce harm, right?

[2073] If that's what they're selling you on, like, look, we can't allow marijuana because we're going to reduce harm.

[2074] Harming somebody further with a criminal record, taking away their right to education, preventing them from job opportunities and preventing them from traveling is far more harmful than not only just marijuana, but a lot of other illegal drugs too.

[2075] Because statistics show even the most addictive drugs, it's like, I think even heroin, the highest is like 30%.

[2076] Like it's a lot of people have used drugs and then don't continue to abuse them.

[2077] Well, that's kind of a false narrative, though, really, because it's that no one is really trying to protect anyone.

[2078] They're just trying to utilize the clause in the law that allows them to imprison you.

[2079] Yeah.

[2080] That's really what it is.

[2081] And they get people to fill their prison.

[2082] They get people to go through their legal system.

[2083] so they validate the legal system they validate the amount of police officers that they need they validate the amount of prison space they need and it all feeds into this business which also you guys talked about in the culture high oh big on the law enforcement part is a lot of people's favorites because it's terrifying when you realize that there's so much momentum behind that and there's so much they have so much motivation to keep those laws in place so they can continue arresting people because if they don't that industry implodes 50 % of the law enforcement and the arrest in this country.

[2084] country have to do with nonviolent crimes that involve drugs.

[2085] It's a scale.

[2086] Ed Burns, who closes the film, right, that was a co -creator of HBO's The Wire.

[2087] He's the cop that you see throughout the film that's like, he's scary when you sit down with him and he breaks it down how it is, right?

[2088] And when you think about seizures of assets and stuff, like you don't get to do that for murderers and rapists, although you should.

[2089] Right.

[2090] So they're incentivized.

[2091] Like murderers and rapists fall below as far as profit incentive for precincts because they don't get to take their money they don't get asset for for drugs they do isn't that crazy crazy like if you're a murderer or a rapist they can't take your tv yeah but if you got it like a roll of joints in a plastic bag boom they can just come in and start taking your shit and sell it it's just there's just so many bad laws that are in place it's almost overwhelming and I think for a lot of people we get really frustrated because it seems like there's you can't fix it all like I'm 47 I'll be 48 in August which means I'm almost 50 I'm You know, I'm a fucking middle -aged man. If I'm lucky, I'm a middle -aged man. I'm a grown -up, 100 % grown -up, right?

[2092] This is as grown -up as you get.

[2093] And yet, I'm still immersed in this system that has been in this position or in a similar position since I was a child.

[2094] Yeah.

[2095] Very little has changed, you know, so there's been some movement towards sanity and clarity and legalization and freedom.

[2096] But there's still this asset forfeiture thing, that guy with the convenience store, they're stealing his money, and, you know, the numbers that they've posted of asset forfeiture takeovers over the last year or two, it's staggering.

[2097] I mean, it's unfucking believable how much money it is.

[2098] Well, and the murder conviction rate that we brought up in the film, how it was actually higher earlier, because the cops say one of the biggest things is that we no longer have communication with the community, so we can no longer prevent the crimes, even with all our technology, forensics, DNA, everything else, murder conviction rates have gone drastically down.

[2099] Yeah, they've turned cops essentially into glorified revenue collectors.

[2100] That's what they've done.

[2101] I mean, could you imagine, as we were talking about this once, could you imagine if they made soldiers write tickets in Afghanistan?

[2102] You know, you imagine if soldiers had a quota and they had to get money from the Taliban.

[2103] Hey, you fucks, I saw you making an IED.

[2104] You're doing court on Tuesday and here's your piece of paper.

[2105] Like, no, what?

[2106] No, soldiers are over there doing soldier -type shit.

[2107] Well, cops should be doing cop type shit.

[2108] Okay, they should be arresting people for committing dangerous crimes that put us all in harm's way.

[2109] Well, even Sean Dunnigan, who's the former DEA analyst that we interviewed with him, he talked about his dad.

[2110] It was a beat cop in New York.

[2111] And he said, when his dad went to work, it was like a sports coat, his shirt, his badge, his gun.

[2112] He's like, and that's how he worked the beat.

[2113] He's like, now it's military boots and these things.

[2114] He's like, how do you, how does the community feel like you're part of the community when you're dressed like a soul?

[2115] Like, right away, you know, impressions and stuff that all matters, right?

[2116] Like, you don't feel, communities don't feel welcome when that comes in.

[2117] It feels like there's a major problem.

[2118] But if a beat cop's got a sports coat and his bulletproof vest underneath his dress shirt and he's working to be like, hey, like, look, there's a missing girl.

[2119] Is there been anything suspicious?

[2120] Well, there's a house on the end of the street.

[2121] But when military soldiers come up, you're like, kind of like, whoa, are you going to come raid my house?

[2122] Or you're going to come beat us up, right?

[2123] Like, it's not where a community wants to welcome them and considers them part of the community.

[2124] I think it also does something for the mentality of the people that are wearing the military garb, too.

[2125] You pull up in a tank, you're going to have a totally different attitude than you step out of a fucking Crown Victoria.

[2126] Exactly.

[2127] Is that what those things called?

[2128] Those police cars?

[2129] LTD, Crown Victoria.

[2130] Is that what those things are?

[2131] Yeah, you know what I mean?

[2132] It's like police officers should be respected and appreciated members of the community that you call upon when the shit hits the fan.

[2133] And when you put them in a position where they're arresting people for a pot, or where you put them in a position where they're being forced in these asset forfeiture situations, even giving them the license to do that becomes problematic because when you tell someone it's okay for them to do it, then they don't even have the opportunity to go, well, hey, you know, morally, is this right?

[2134] Well, it doesn't matter if it's right.

[2135] That's the job.

[2136] The job is take the money, arrest the guy.

[2137] Like, that's the job.

[2138] And then you become used to that job and it becomes fuck them and then it becomes us versus them.

[2139] Yeah.

[2140] You know, and that attitude is the worst aspect.

[2141] of the relationship between law enforcement and civilians.

[2142] And we need law enforcement.

[2143] You know, we've talked about this situation that happened in Baltimore where an RT reporter was filming these young kids that were jumping around and saying a bunch of shit.

[2144] And then one of the kids takes her fucking purse and runs.

[2145] And she's chasing after him, give me my purse back, give my bag, back.

[2146] And as she's chasing this kid, a cop grabs the guy.

[2147] The cops grab the guy and get her purse.

[2148] back.

[2149] Like you see like everyone's so down on the cops.

[2150] Everyone's so anti -law enforcement.

[2151] Well, here is a situation where law enforcement actually did its duty.

[2152] Yeah.

[2153] And it happened in the midst of chaos where law enforcement has failed.

[2154] Yeah.

[2155] You know, chaos.

[2156] Law enforcement killed somebody.

[2157] There's these huge riots that have come up because of that, this huge separation between the community and the people that are supposedly protecting that community and this huge rift.

[2158] But then you see like, oh, okay, like there is a time where law enforcement is not just beneficial, but necessarily.

[2159] I have I mean there's no question you need law enforcement it's it just interesting with like interviewing a lot of these very respected police officers on how they really talk about how it was the fundamental breakdown of dividing them making them the enemy like the drug war to them they just said look I saw it it's separated communities it made us look as the other because look if Joe we both have children if something happened to them you want justice to be done and then if cops are coming like what happened did someone go missing did someone hurt you them you want that there but if that communication's broken and it feels more like now i'm getting interrogated well what did you do and they come bullying you and we found drugs maybe it's your fault that this happened it's like no someone hurt my kids like just focus on them right also that's also just dummies that are cops the problem is there's not a lot of like in los angeles they have these fucking billboards trying to get people to become cops because nobody wants to be a cop it's incredibly tough job like that's fucking super dangerous massively stressful the PTSD these guys get But nobody brings up.

[2160] Everybody talks about soldier PTSD.

[2161] Yeah, interesting.

[2162] Very few people respect the PTSD that cops have because they fucking have it, man. You know, a friend of mine was telling me about this guy who jumped off of a building and all these cops were around and they were taking care of the situation.

[2163] Then one cop showed up with donuts and they started handing donuts out.

[2164] And these guys are eating donuts while they're, you know, taking witness accounts and dealing with this.

[2165] They're just so over it.

[2166] They're just so over it.

[2167] Like, they watched this guy splatter and become asphalt pizza.

[2168] You know, jumped off of a building, and they're like, all right, another day in the job.

[2169] Like, ultimately, that's got to fuck with your head.

[2170] Oh, one of my good buddies from high school has become a cop in Canada, and he was talking about some of the first, like, the first dead body saw was someone that blew their head off with a shotgun.

[2171] They'd used, because you have to use, like, a stick in order to reach it or something, and then their whole face had caved in, and they were the first ones on scene and the smell, and I was like, dude, like, how do you even react that?

[2172] He's, like, I just pretend it's, it's like a video game, right?

[2173] Like, I just, I have to kind of zone out and wait for the, cleanup crew and I couldn't imagine seeing that even once a year if you had to come up on that kind of stuff like right and they're seeing it all the time and everybody they run into on a daily basis is either lying to them or nervous about meeting them or is hiding something or you know it's just fuck man I mean it's a terrible job it's it's really hard to do and made way worse by the drug war way way way way worse that that fucking scenario where those guys when starts out your film where those guys shoot that dog like that just should show you right away we're talking about pot yeah we're not talking about anything that's going to hurt anybody we're talking about pot and because of that these guys felt like they had the writing on the paper that allowed them to go in there and shoot a dog and scare the fuck at everybody break it to your else at three in the morning with your kids in the house and shoot your fucking dog meanwhile if that was handled better i mean it would be a couple like what do you got in there was a pipe okay well or throw this out i guess we'll give I mean, did they even give you a citation when you have a pipe?

[2174] I mean, what they're going to do?

[2175] You're going to write them up, make them go to court or something?

[2176] Okay, just don't shoot his fucking dog.

[2177] Like, the whole thing is just, it's insanity, and it's insanity on almost like a fictional level.

[2178] Like, it seems like it's fiction.

[2179] Like, it's a work of, like, it's some crazy George Orwell book from, you know, the olden days before we figured out how to live life.

[2180] But we haven't figured out how to live life.

[2181] We haven't figured out that.

[2182] If there's anything I've learned, we haven't figured out shit.

[2183] But don't you think that because of like these kind of conversations and because of the internet and, you know, the backlash that all these archaic drug laws and drug policies have had, the backlash has been unprecedented.

[2184] The amount of people that react to it today as opposed to the way they treated it in the 80s during the Reagan administration is very, very different.

[2185] It is changing all over.

[2186] I mean, the UK is challenging right now.

[2187] Portugal decriminalized all drugs 10 years ago and had great success in fact we interviewed one of the scientists that went and researched that for a little bit Dr. Julian Hupert in the UK and he said everyone that was against them originally bringing in that bill is now can't believe that they were fighting against it like violent crime has gone down they said now we can focus on the hard and criminal criminals and the big traffickers and less time like and the people that have substance abuse they've seen teenage use down all these things down like all the horror stories you're hearing and then Uruguay and Canada's changing policies and US every other state seems to be challenging looking for medical legalization or then full legalization like as the end of the film kind of says like the house of cards is collapsing fast and things like these podcasts and access to information and getting the even the way we released the film where we put it on vimeo right away where everyone in the world could get it and then now it's on Netflix in I think it's 70 different countries and 14 different languages like you didn't have that years ago right like now it's portuguese dutch i see it feels great when you work so hard on something then you can search you know on twitter and we go on there and we'll search the culture high and you'll see in dutch and spanish and portuguese people saying wow this changed my mind it's amazing like you didn't have you weren't able to reach out like that before right there's a time and connectivity with podcasts and internet we talk about this in the film you kind of go over actually like it's changing so quick and you can't bullshit people to way you used to.

[2188] Yeah, and it's only getting more and more involved in people's lives.

[2189] It's only getting more and more invasive.

[2190] The word invasive sounds negative, but technology has allowed information to get to you so quickly.

[2191] It's virtually impossible to lie about facts now.

[2192] It's just too hard.

[2193] It's just too hard.

[2194] I mean, there's going to come a point in time, some time in our lives where all this stuff has reached some sort of a boiling point and that boiling point is it's going to make us look like fools for going through our lives the way we did like in the 80s and the 90s it's going to really make society look like a bunch of monkeys with guns and badges and pieces of paper with things written on it and and then we acted on those like we're going to look just as ridiculous at the people that were involved in the Inquisition or the people that were burning witches in Salem.

[2195] All that's...

[2196] Actually, I don't think they really burned witches.

[2197] Do you know that?

[2198] That's kind of bullshit.

[2199] Didn't they drown them?

[2200] Yeah, they drowned them.

[2201] Like, witch burning?

[2202] It was a lose -lose where it was like, if you don't drown your witch, and if you do drown, sorry, we fucked up.

[2203] Do you know what they think was the cause of all that?

[2204] Did you ever read into that?

[2205] Uh -uh.

[2206] They think it was ergot poisoning.

[2207] Ergot is a type of fungus that exists in wheat that has a similar effect to LSD.

[2208] And they believe that...

[2209] it was because of a late frost and that a lot of the wheat got damaged and it causes this fungus to grow on the wheat like they did some samples core samples of the dirt and they found like some certain climatological clues that lead them to to believe that that could have very possibly happened that ergot poisoning in the wheat caused people to have these crazy acid like effects and they thought they were bewitched it makes perfect sense i'd read some of the stuff too where it was some people were having like uh mistresses and stuff like that and it was a way to shut up the lower people like the common folk yeah just be like you're a witch right like we'll get right honey i don't know i didn't look deep into that so maybe well i'm sure people have done horrible things in the past and uh they will continue to do so until we can read minds i think that's going to be the big one man once we once we have some sort of a way to read each other's own mental database well i've heard you talk about that in the podcast and i agreed so much where it was just like if you took lying off the table where instantly it was like you were tapped in and it was like as soon as somebody said something it was like we were all tapped into google like essentially he was building it's like oh he's lying like i've got the information that's bullshit right like well not only that forget about even information how about your own thoughts and feelings like don't be a bull like if you're not a politician or a bullshit artist like if i could see if i could look at you and i see green which means everything's groovy yeah and then as soon as it turns yellow like oh adam might be bullshitting yeah oh it's good we went red Yeah.

[2210] I mean, that's not outside of the realm of possibility.

[2211] They've already shown that they can tell there's certain things that they could read in a person's brain if they're being deceptive.

[2212] And they've even used fMRI in a case in India to convict a woman of a crime because she had what they call functional knowledge of the crime scene.

[2213] And it's very controversial.

[2214] And neuroscientists, fMRI, which is functional MRI, magnetic resonance imagery.

[2215] and you know MRI they have if you have an injury and look at the tissue functional MRI is a type of MRI they use to scan brain activity and they believe that this is like the baby steps to be able being able to actually read the mind definitively like right now they're getting these signals and the signals are very controversial because some people say well having a functional knowledge of the crime scene could have been imparted on her by the case, by the evidence, by reviewing the evidence with the lawyers, like somehow or another they could have imparted this somehow in her mind or, you know, being interrogated or investigated about it.

[2216] But the point being that they're starting to hone in on various aspects of the brain and various, like, whether or not you're deceptive or nervous or whether or not, like, and who knows, like, right now this is like the, this is the Morse code of mind reading.

[2217] As opposed to high -speed video on Vimeo, which is what we got now.

[2218] You know, I mean, think about the difference between just a couple of hundred years ago.

[2219] If you were on the other side of the world, they would have to send a series of fucking, be -be -be -be -be -be, and you have to decipher that.

[2220] And technology is accelerating at a pace that, like, we've never seen.

[2221] Things are coming out every day, and I can't even believe in my...

[2222] Like, 3D printing blows my mind.

[2223] I don't know how they're, like, printing ears and, like, organs.

[2224] Like, what are they using as material?

[2225] I don't understand that.

[2226] I don't get how that works.

[2227] Well, the organ thing is not 3D printing.

[2228] What the organ thing is they're taking tissue samples and stem cells, and they're using skin cells to create new bladders for people.

[2229] They built this woman an esophagus.

[2230] She had esophical cancer, and they used a 3D printer to make, like, the scaffolding for the cells, and the cells grew, and then they've replaced her esophagus, like fucking bananas.

[2231] But I think, like, the exponential growth of this sort of technology, if you apply, like look at communication, you apply it to like Morse code to high speed video that's available streaming on your phone.

[2232] Yeah.

[2233] I mean, it's amazing leap.

[2234] I think that same thing applied to the mind and to understanding the signals of the mind is going to almost leave us in a position where we have no choice but to be honest.

[2235] And when we have no choice but to be honest, we're going to live in a different world.

[2236] There's going to be no more cults.

[2237] The whole Scientology thing is going to go out the window.

[2238] The Vatican collapse.

[2239] All that shit's going down.

[2240] And it's going to go down just based on information and truth.

[2241] The ability to recognize that someone, and it's still, opinions are still going to exist.

[2242] There's still going to be debate.

[2243] You know, you could believe what you're saying and be truthful in your opinions.

[2244] Then it'll come a matter of the distribution of information disproving you and getting into you.

[2245] And then finding out, oh, well, it's purple.

[2246] He's self -deceptive.

[2247] Like, this is what's going on.

[2248] This guy's got a blockage in.

[2249] Yeah, because, I mean, if that's something that really fascinating going clear is just, like, how this guy that seemed to have some kind of mental illness he was trying to diagnose himself, like, constantly putting him, how he was able to convince people so emphatically to, like, follow him, like, where he had them out on a ship and he was hiding in country.

[2250] Look at your shirt.

[2251] Yeah.

[2252] Look at your shirt.

[2253] You see that shirt?

[2254] Yeah.

[2255] There's a chimp.

[2256] Yeah.

[2257] That's the problem.

[2258] We have chimp DNA still in our system, man. That on it chimp that you're wearing on your t -shirt.

[2259] Chimps, that's a big part of our fucking ancestry, the following alpha male behavior.

[2260] And, you know, ultimately, that's archaic.

[2261] And ultimately, this need to find someone that it used to be the tribal leader, the old gray man with the scars that learned from all of his mistakes and can impart his wisdom on you and make your life a little bit easier because this guy's already learned these things.

[2262] It's been through it.

[2263] Yeah, he can teach me. I mean, we all know that.

[2264] We all have had mentor figures when we were growing up, a person who's older than, you.

[2265] us that perhaps had more wisdom, more life experience, and could cut a lot of the learning stages out, cut a lot of the pitfalls that you might experience, the trial and error.

[2266] And I think that, you know, that's a big part of what's wrong with people, is we get scared when we don't have answers.

[2267] What about the part that was interesting to me that was like how you even had people, like, Paul Haggis and stuff like got caught up in that.

[2268] We're really young, though.

[2269] Yeah.

[2270] You know, when you're really young, you're really impressionable.

[2271] And I could have got sucked into Dianetics when I was younger.

[2272] I know I could have.

[2273] The beginning parts of it are pretty, like you said, the science and like making well.

[2274] Like I was like, oh, I could see how I, I think I got tested like several years ago.

[2275] Were they going here and like, what were you thinking about right there?

[2276] And it was like, like, they were trying to hand out pamphlets actually right by the hotel where we were staying.

[2277] They're like, here.

[2278] I was just telling my buddy that came with me, Trent.

[2279] I was like, that's it.

[2280] That's saying, they said like, do you want to do a personality test?

[2281] Right.

[2282] Like, that's how it starts, right?

[2283] Come on the little.

[2284] I did one in 2008.

[2285] 2007, 2008, and, you know, he held on to the cans, like the whole thing and the, the meter.

[2286] But the guy who was doing it with me was, like, kind of depressed.

[2287] He was very, like, low enthusiasm.

[2288] It wasn't pitching it very well at all.

[2289] He was just a bummed out dude.

[2290] And you could tell, like, he just really wasn't into it.

[2291] He didn't give a shit.

[2292] It was weird.

[2293] He just, he kind of had to do it.

[2294] Well, he was only going to pay $0 .25 or whatever, like, the slave they do it.

[2295] Yeah, the C -Org, right?

[2296] Yeah, the C -Or.

[2297] Insanely low.

[2298] You know, I went on a, like a YouTube watching binge after I watched that documentary and that David Miscavage, whatever the guy's name is, his own niece wrote a book about him and, you know, she was one of the people that was in the C -org and like there was this, yeah, she, she got interviewed by, what's that fuckhead's name from England that was, took over for Larry King for a while for the ousted him, Pierce Morgan.

[2299] Oh, Pierce Morgan.

[2300] She, uh, um, was on his show and just talking about the, the ridiculous.

[2301] existence that they lived, you know, maintaining all these different properties and all these different things, essentially through slave labor by all their employees and how they discouraged them from having children and they would try to get them to have abortions and just like, oh, it's awful.

[2302] It was the thing that scared me the most about it, too, is that I could really see a lot of similarities to other ideologies and the way that it managed its way.

[2303] It's a virus.

[2304] When you learn requirement -based selling, right?

[2305] I used to come from a sales background.

[2306] There's a way that humans can you find their business motives and buying objectives and you can kind of circle around and get them emotional buys.

[2307] There's ways that just humans kind of react, right?

[2308] You get them excited, well, does this bug you about your business?

[2309] When you like a solution to that?

[2310] Yes, I would like a solution to that, right?

[2311] And then you can, and that you'd see the similarities when I was watching that.

[2312] Like, yes, Scientology and that movie freaked me out.

[2313] But I was like, man, I could see how so many others would get you looped into that, right?

[2314] Like make you feel good and then make you feel part of a team and then suck you in on this and give you up your money.

[2315] The whole thing freaked me out.

[2316] I thought Alex Gibney did great.

[2317] He's the top dog for docs right now.

[2318] Like, Alex Gibney is the guy that, as a documentary filmmaker, we look up to.

[2319] Like, he's the one that...

[2320] He definitely did a great job with that documentary.

[2321] But the Scientologists are hounding him now, right?

[2322] How are they hounding him?

[2323] What can they do?

[2324] I don't know other than...

[2325] They should just watch it and go, maybe we're crazy.

[2326] Shit.

[2327] Smoke a joint, watch that shit and go, God, what are we doing?

[2328] What are we doing?

[2329] This guy was nuts.

[2330] Maybe we can change it a little bit and make it better, right?

[2331] When you see Tom Cruise salute, LRH, we did it, you know?

[2332] That part was like really fucking scary to me. Like, he's saluting him like he's like an apostle like this.

[2333] He's like, we've done it.

[2334] Even better.

[2335] It's like he's like he's military.

[2336] And then they give him that ridiculous.

[2337] A giant gold medal.

[2338] He's all excited like, yes, here's my metal.

[2339] His metal is like a fucking flava flavoc.

[2340] One they just created for him.

[2341] It wasn't even, according to the film.

[2342] It wasn't even something that.

[2343] was there before they just wanted what's his name that muskavich created it to be like to kind of bring them back in like you're getting this metal that like nobody else gets it's amazing it's really beautiful and if you're a fan of human folly like i'm a big fan of folly i love when people fuck up yeah i just not necessarily that i want people to fuck up i just love i love like clear undeniable craziness like that kind of stuff like seeing tom cruise standing on a podium with this fucking gold medal talking to that guy saying I've never met a man more honorable, more noble like all that craziness To Elron H, we did it That part almost as I was watching it Almost seemed like a movie clip to me Like he was in character I was watching it being like This is real?

[2344] They like they really had this This wasn't yeah That guy's amazing Tom Cruise is amazing Amazing in that he's just so First of all brilliant actor Yeah but just so Oh, God damn wacky.

[2345] Off the charts wacky.

[2346] But you've covered that perfect on the podcast.

[2347] I couldn't agree more where when you become really famous, world famous, where like, you know, nine out of ten people know your name and you just have yes men.

[2348] How about ten and a ten?

[2349] Tom Cruise?

[2350] It might be like, it might be more than nine.

[2351] It might be nine point eight.

[2352] It's like nine hundred and ninety nine out of a hundred at the very least, right?

[2353] Yeah.

[2354] I would say.

[2355] So you just have nothing but yes men saying everything you did.

[2356] Like you come up with an idea that's clearly.

[2357] Clearly crazy, as you're saying, are ridiculous, but everyone around you doesn't want to get you upset or get fired.

[2358] So they're like, no, no, no, that's great.

[2359] That's brilliant.

[2360] You can save the world.

[2361] You are.

[2362] Well, when you're like a Tom Cruise and you're like literally 999 out of 1 ,000 people know who the fuck you are, like what?

[2363] It's probably more than that, right?

[2364] Do you think it's more than that?

[2365] I would say it out of 100 ,000 people, three don't know who Tom Cruise is.

[2366] I would really be willing to say that.

[2367] I'd put money on that.

[2368] I mean, I think the number.

[2369] Maybe 10.

[2370] Maybe 10.

[2371] Yeah, and maybe little kids.

[2372] but adults Yeah From 18 on Let's go from 18 on It's like so close To 100 % know who he is Yeah It's so close I think You know I had Dom Aera On the podcast yesterday He's friends with Cher And he used to open up For Share all the time And Cher would ask She's been famous Since she was 19 Yeah And she would ask him questions Like what's it like out there What's it like What are people like Like what's it like To go to the movies And he like Made her like come out with him In Montreal He's like What did he say?

[2373] He said Leave the Top Hat And Kane at home would just come on outside.

[2374] And she's just so weirded out by people because she's been famous for so long that she's completely alienated.

[2375] And I think Tom Cruise is very similar to that.

[2376] He's been a movie star since The Wanderers.

[2377] Like, what year was that?

[2378] The outsiders, rather?

[2379] That's like 81 or something like that, I want to say.

[2380] I mean, something incredibly long ago.

[2381] What was it?

[2382] So, hey, 1983, he's been a fucking huge star since.

[2383] I mean, that's insane.

[2384] insane that's 32 years is that right how is that possible 32 years it looks exactly the same he's a fucking vampire he's fucking looks really good he's in good shape amazing how old is he it's like 51 or something looks great looked a little worn out in that Cameron Diaz movie but yeah do a movie with Cameron Diaz how you see how you turn out 52 handsome bastard but look at this he's a fucking mill Even with the fucking metal With the giant sign The globe behind them What's with all them I don't get What's with all them wearing like the military outfits Like with the badges Like they won they went to war They yeah they wore it against Zeno They beat Zeno Oh it's fucking Oh look Zeno Wow I just I'm just a really big fan Of wacky people like that That are so over the time But yet So undeniably successful And so brilliant at what they do what's that movie tomorrow the day after tomorrow the edge of tomorrow is that what it is i really loved that movie oh the recent science fiction movie bombed only i thought it was a great yeah they didn't do well really yeah it didn't make it's probably all of his wackiness the wackiness is probably catching up oh i i think i mean it it might i'd heard that just its opening months was not good right they were not what they were expecting but when you watch the movie i agree i i really i remember thinking that was one of the best movies that came out that summer was a really good story.

[2385] It was very unique.

[2386] The way they made the aliens was very different and like the concept of redoing the day.

[2387] I thought it was great.

[2388] I really enjoyed it.

[2389] Did it not do well?

[2390] Well, I know he experienced a big drop in his popularity or the way people respected him.

[2391] After he did that, that interview with Matt Lauer.

[2392] I thought it was the Oprah one where he was crazy on the couch.

[2393] That was, chicks loved that.

[2394] I'm in love.

[2395] Please.

[2396] That is not how a man ever behaves when he's in love.

[2397] ever that is a guy who loves dick who's pretending to be in love with a chick and he's got a whole team of people covering up for the fact that he loves dick but no he did that Matt Lauer one where he's getting on Brooke Shields for being on antidepressants oh that's right that's right he said you can just correct it with exercise and well you can help it but I mean the idea that you understand what's going on in her brain like I'm sorry dude what kind of research have you done especially what kind of tests have you run on Brooke in particular, go on.

[2398] But he's cold trickle, so he knows what's up, right?

[2399] What is cold trickle?

[2400] Days Thunder.

[2401] Cold trickle.

[2402] I don't know how you remember that.

[2403] I remember him from TopCon.

[2404] That was a big one, too.

[2405] All right, Adam Scorgy, we're out of time, dude.

[2406] But thank you very much for doing this.

[2407] And thank you very much for putting together two fucking amazing documentaries.

[2408] The Union and the Culture High has been a real honor and a pleasure to be in those.

[2409] Joe, no. I appreciate it.

[2410] Thank you, man. Not just for being a part of those and dedicating your time, but, you know, always promoting and helping.

[2411] You've really helped our careers, so I can't thank you enough for...

[2412] I'm happy you're around, dude.

[2413] Keep doing what you're doing.

[2414] I'm going to try, man. Do some more cool shit.

[2415] Keep going on.

[2416] Have you back on again.

[2417] You can find Adam Scorgy online.

[2418] What is your Twitter handle again?

[2419] It's Adam score with a G, like score like a goal, because that's how my name's pronounced.

[2420] And there's also the culture high, one word, which is available.

[2421] Also, it's the Twitter handle, and it's available right now on iTunes.

[2422] It's available on Amazon Prime, Google Plus.

[2423] Basically, any platform, and it's on Netflix international in 70 countries and 14 different languages.

[2424] It is fucking excellent.

[2425] It is really excellent.

[2426] Thank you, my brother.

[2427] I really appreciate it.

[2428] I appreciate it, Joe.

[2429] All right, you fucks.

[2430] That's it for this week.

[2431] We'll see you next week.

[2432] Much love.

[2433] Big kisses.