JRE MMA Show #44 with John Kavanagh & George Lockhart

[0] Here we go, four, three, two, boom, George Lockhart, John Kavanaugh.

[1] How are you, folks?

[2] Hello, sir.

[3] Doing great.

[4] Good to see you.

[5] Good to be here.

[6] So, Saturday night, what are your thoughts?

[7] Now that we're sitting here, it's Monday morning, the Kabib -McGregor fight went down Saturday night.

[8] Obviously, hugely disappointed that we didn't get the result on the night.

[9] But I still enjoyed it.

[10] I thought it was a great fight.

[11] I'm looking forward to watching it back many times.

[12] All of Connors' fights, I always pull a load of lessons away that I can pass on to the next generation of guys.

[13] But, yeah, overall, I really enjoy the fight, and I'm devastated that we didn't get the game.

[14] How much time did he have to prepare for this fight?

[15] I mean, he's always in the gym.

[16] He's always knocking about.

[17] But I guess it was official about 10 weeks out.

[18] But even since the Eddie fight, I kind of knew, or at least I thought, his next MMA fight would be Habib.

[19] It just kind of made sense.

[20] If it wasn't going to be the Diaz, but then as time went on, that seemed less and less likely.

[21] And Habib, obviously, was doing great, you know, kept on winning, so there was a path that was going to collide.

[22] Was there anything that was surprising in the fight?

[23] The right hand in the second round was a cracker.

[24] It was beautiful overhand right.

[25] I mean, it's a staple of wrestlers overhand right and close, but he doesn't generally do that.

[26] He's more jab and then close, but that was a great shot.

[27] The style of takedowns, everything was kind of what we expected, and we'd spent a lot of time in preparing for that.

[28] Yeah, just, you know, kind of expected round one for sure going to get a takedown.

[29] So the goal of round one was to get out of it, still having energy.

[30] We didn't want to put a huge amount of effort into trying to get back up in round one which seemed to happen many times and his other opponents and they kind of go back to the stool you know really tired so round one, make them pay you know do our best on the way in fight as hard as we can but if you do end up down which it was against the fence figured it would be there tried to stay seated up if we end up in our back just try to play a guard until the bell except it'll be a 10 -9 round and for round two again same same plan do as much damage as we can but if we end up on our back don't put a huge amount of effort in trying to get up he's an absolute master at re -grounding people that turned out to be a 10 -8 round he got some good shots there and obviously he landed the great right hand so that was a bit more than we hoped for round three things started kind of turning a little bit in our favour and we did a lot better at keeping it in the middle defending the takedowns so the plan was to slow him down a little and watch him slow down a little bit in the third, fourth and fifth?

[31] Yeah, exactly, yeah.

[32] So I think at the beginning the consensus was Connor knocks him out in the first or Habib, you know, takes over from two on.

[33] Like first to win the third round was probably a bit of a surprise to people.

[34] But, you know, the eloquent the fight, if you look at that from Mount Three on, he wasn't able to hit any takedowns.

[35] So hoped that would be how it would go on Round Three.

[36] We could defend the takedowns a lot easier and start landing airshots.

[37] And that did happen for round three, not as well as we plan, not as well as we hoped.

[38] And then round four, you know, we hit another great takedown, made a mistake giving up the overhook, exposed our back.

[39] And that was all she row.

[40] Yeah, he has such a unique ability to tie both legs up with his legs.

[41] Yeah.

[42] He's so good at that.

[43] In round one, I thought Connor did well.

[44] We had practiced for that to keep our legs bent.

[45] You know, you see guys straightened their legs, and then Conner did do that a couple of times.

[46] times but he was able to continuously get a leg free so not until the last 30 seconds or so around one he didn't really tie them up and get him flatten us back for the majority of that he was against the fence you know used his hands to keep upright try to land little shots um yeah and george you uh you dealt with connor's weight cut you deal with his overall nutrition as well yes sir pull that microphone close you like we're talking about right right here Yeah, you can move it up if you want to stay where you were.

[47] Technology.

[48] There you go.

[49] It's a work in progress.

[50] You work with him on his weight cut.

[51] Look, what was his weight before he started camp?

[52] You know, it's almost exactly the same way it was when we actually started the cut.

[53] You know, we wanted to make sure that his weight was a little higher than, you know, obviously with the boxing, with Floyd, you know, speed is everything.

[54] And we wanted to kind of slowly drop that way down.

[55] but with this, we want to keep him as big as possible, and then, you know, cut all that weight so he can...

[56] What was his weight?

[57] He was about 171 when he got back into that cage.

[58] So what was his weight when you got started camp?

[59] About the same thing.

[60] Same thing?

[61] Exactly same thing, yeah.

[62] It was all about...

[63] So it's not an extreme weight cut.

[64] No, 15 -ish pounds.

[65] Yeah, in terms of cutting, you know, it was an easy day.

[66] What's the most do you've ever had someone cut?

[67] So, you know, on record with Drew Dover, he showed up at 185 on Tuesday and had to make one.

[68] 155 by Friday.

[69] So it was 19 % of his body weight.

[70] Right.

[71] That's the biggest one.

[72] Biggest one on record.

[73] He's a big fellow.

[74] I've always looked at Drew Dober and go, how the fuck is that guy make 155?

[75] Right?

[76] No. Every time I see him, I'm like, you know, you make me work for my money.

[77] Yeah.

[78] Well, it seems like it's probably not the healthiest thing in the world for him to do either.

[79] No, I mean, I'll never, I'll never be like, you know, weight cutting is the, the, the healthiest thing in the world.

[80] But I will say that, like, because the amount of muscle mass, people look at somebody like him, and they're like, man, I mean, he doesn't have a lot to lose, and he doesn't have a lot to lose, but he's got a lot to cut.

[81] Muscle is about 70, you know, muscle tissue is about 79 % water.

[82] So the more muscle you have, the more water you can cut, you know.

[83] So if you do it properly, the more muscle you have, the easier it is for that cut.

[84] And that's why he's able to do that.

[85] How did you learn how to do this?

[86] Honestly, man, I'm like, I could be like, well, I got this.

[87] degree and I got this degree, but there's no degree in actual weight cutting.

[88] You know, I started on the Marine Corps, and I was a heavyweight when I started fighting, and then I ended up as a welterweight.

[89] Wow.

[90] Yeah, didn't do so well as a welterweight.

[91] Kind of the opposite of Anthony Rumble Johnson.

[92] Right, right.

[93] You know, it was definitely not, it didn't work out well for me. I was better at cutting the weight than I was actually at fighting.

[94] But learning through this process, okay, this work.

[95] like this and this works like this.

[96] And there's, I mean, there's so many studies that are out there.

[97] You know, like you look at the NSA, you look at, you know, PubMed and all these other things.

[98] You see a study over here and you see a study over here.

[99] And you're like, okay, well, we're going to put these two together and actually see in terms of actual weight cutting.

[100] It's rough because nobody's ever actually going to do a study with the level of dehydration that these guys are doing.

[101] You know what I mean?

[102] like oh yeah this this how you rehydrate these people it's never it's never going to happen so you know luckily we've uh you know the amount of cuts that we did we work with over 200 UFC fighters and just just just I mean just in UFC I mean obviously work with a lot more like uh bellator and stuff like that but uh being able to see that okay this works this doesn't work we need to kind of when when you say you work with them if you work with 200 fighters how hands on are you with 200 different fighters um it It changes, you know, based on, you know, how much they need us.

[103] You know, a lot of the guys, we literally don't show up until the week of the fight.

[104] You know, somebody like Connor, you know, I'm out there six to eight weeks.

[105] I'm out there and monitoring everything.

[106] And, you know, the people that we are out there for for eight weeks, it makes life a lot easier.

[107] Now, do you have anything to do with his meal planning as well, like during the camp?

[108] Connor?

[109] Yeah.

[110] 100%.

[111] Yeah.

[112] 100 % everything that goes into his mouth, I'm monitoring.

[113] So from the moment you guys start in camp?

[114] 100%.

[115] What about outside of camp?

[116] Does he taking instruction from you?

[117] Yeah, yeah.

[118] Connor, you know, he'll get me up and like, hey, I'm doing this, you know, like in terms of, like, workout.

[119] That's a big one for him.

[120] Like, oh, that pre -workout, post -workout, what should I be taking?

[121] I tell him exactly what he should be taken.

[122] And then, you know, he basically stays on a regimen.

[123] And at the end of the day, man, like diet, the word diet means food, eat.

[124] habitual way and uh i i like guys to actually live life a little bit you know what i'm saying when you're you're so regiment like okay you i got to i got to count this carb and i got to count this i got it's it's ridiculous you know what i'm saying so you know the fact that he actually is like okay i just i just need to monitor what i'm taking pre post workout makes life easy for me did you go to school for nutrition or in the marine corps i was a combat condition specialist I was actually an instructor trainer.

[125] So, like, when you go, there's a place called the martial arts center of excellence, right?

[126] And they actually handpicked Marines.

[127] Kind of been, you know, like, you know, certain situations in the military.

[128] Brian Stan was actually, you know, a part of that.

[129] And then they actually started something called the Combat Conditioning Program.

[130] And I was actually the guy that.

[131] they actually had to teach all that so they sent me everywhere like uh i got to to work with the the uh the people from the um um olympic training center you know i got to work with a PI in florida you know like uh just learn from a lot of different people but in terms of like i always say this from weight cutting there's actually not a like there's not a course like you know if you're a dietitian or whatever that's great but that doesn't help you with in terms of weight cut you go to somebody's like hey man I'm gonna lose 30 pounds in three days what do I do you know it's a very specific kind of discipline and so it's something that you kind of have to learn along the way and no one's gonna teach you in a school 100 % but you do have a back some sort of background in nutrition 100 % yes yes absolutely and does do you vary your diets based on the way guys train or is it like pretty standard or does it vary depending on how much weight they have to lose no no every diet is different like i mean people like themselves never get the same diet twice uh the same person um so like if you wake up at six o 'clock in morning versus eight o 'clock of morning you have to have a totally different diet you know like we we feed people from the moment they wake up to the moment they go to bed what would be the do say if someone likes to get up at six o 'clock in the morning versus someone likes to get it up at eight right would it be in what time they have to train that would that be the variable you don't we base everything off type type, timing, portion, size, or hormonal responses of foods.

[132] You know what I'm saying?

[133] Like, most diets nowadays, they actually, you know, they kind of stick to one aspect.

[134] Like Atkins diet, you know, it sticks to types of foods, you know, like zone diet.

[135] It's portion size.

[136] We actually stick to all of them, you know, like type, timing, portion size, hormone, response, food.

[137] Because, you know, if you look at all diets, they all work.

[138] will work you know like if you're if you're consistent to every single diet if you do the same thing every single day you're you're going to see results but are you going to get to a specific weight and is your performance going to be you know increased over a fight camp you know that that's when nutrition becomes you know extremely valuable what would be the difference between someone getting up at six and someone getting up at eight uh time they eat you know so if somebody wakes up at six they're going to eat at six o 'clock in the morning somebody gets up at eight they're going to eat at eight o 'clock in the morning we feed them you have them you have them eat as soon as they wake up yeah absolutely yes sir you you feed somebody to the moment they woke up to the moment they go to bed like what would be a typical breakfast meal we we we we live off the basic rule you give uh give people what they need when they need it so you know if you're aerobic right your body's primary source of fuel is going to be more fats uh your brain's primary source of fuel is going to be uh carbohydrates or glucose Right.

[139] So we give them, like a lot of fruits, right, the glucose, feed the brain, a lot of fats.

[140] You know, we make sure that we, you know, we get a good measurement of omega -3s to omega -6s, basically about a two -to -one ratio.

[141] So throughout the day, you know, if they're aerobic throughout the day, we give them, you know, fruits, vegetables, omega -6, omega -3s.

[142] And then once they start working out, then, you know, depending on the workout, then that's what we start giving them, like, more starches and stuff like that.

[143] So basically just sort of light breakfasts of fruits and things along those lines to get everything moving.

[144] 100%.

[145] And then after your first workout, like what's a typical post -workout meal?

[146] It depends on the actual workout.

[147] We use something called, like, you've got the metabolic equivalent, right?

[148] So basically the met is the amount of oxygen your body uses, and that's going to determine basically the amount of calories that your body is.

[149] So let's say a strength and conditioning workout, what if they're going to do weights and sprints and things along those lines?

[150] Right.

[151] So what we'll do is.

[152] everything is actually like a formula everything is everything is broken down mathematically so we'll take uh they're met and we'll we'll go on a scale of one to ten and we multiply that by the actual amount of weight that that individual has like a kilogram so we'll say uh their intensity is a 10 let's say they have a hard workout intensity of 10 we multiply that by the amount of kilograms um that that individual has uh i believe and then um look at the formula we basically divide that by uh 200 and multiply that by the duration of actual workout and that'll give us the amount of actual calories that that individual is actually using for that workout so every workout is going to be different so if you're if you're if you're doing um like what's the word I'm looking for like training in terms of like um guard passing and stuff like that it's going be a lot different than if you're sparring right so a lot of people they actually they feed themselves the same way if they're if they're doing form versus actually training like sparring you don't they do the same thing i'm going to take two you know two scrup your protein i'm going to take this this and this you have to you have to actually feed the body differently every single every single workout right so we'll take that formula we find out okay this amount of calories that this individual burns during this period of time and then we actually break it down even more because if you jog and you burn a thousand calories right and if you lift and burn a thousand calories.

[153] Well, it's the same amount of calories, but you have to refuel the body differently because if you jog, your body's using a lot more fat.

[154] If you're a lift and your body is doing a lot more carbohydrates.

[155] Again, it goes to giving the body what it needs, when it needs it.

[156] So we'll look at him like, okay, well, if it's a level 10, and then we'll literally, we have the formula for it, so a 10 would be 80 -20.

[157] So you find out the amount of calories this individual is burning and 8020 meaning 80 % carbohydrates 20 % proteins right and as you go to carbohydrates do you mostly focus so your body has um some called uh you have receptors in the body right you know people think that like well you know if i if i if i need carbohydrates my body's just going to ingest them and it doesn't work like that um your body can process about one gram of carbohydrate per minute right but if you are able to actually excess more um actually you use more than one transporter than at a time, you can actually go to about 2 .3 grams per minute.

[158] And you have glute 1, glue 2, glue 2, glue 3, glue 4, and then you got S -glute 1, S -glute 2.

[159] Each one of these has a different thing that actually activates them, right?

[160] Like an S -glute 2 is a sodium -dependent transporter, right?

[161] If you use a sodium -dependent transporter, Glute 4 is an insulin -dependent transporter.

[162] Glute 1 is, I believe, I'm sorry, Glute 5 is a fructose.

[163] It's activated by fructose, right?

[164] So if you use more than one of these transporters at a time, you activate these transporters, they're literally, you're able to actually synthesize carbohydrates twice as fast.

[165] So you're doing different types of carbohydrates and mixing them together?

[166] 100%.

[167] Like, what would be an example of our glute 1?

[168] Uh, S -glut 1 is a sodium -dependent transporter, so you got to make, sodium -dependent, you got to make sure that you add sodium, right?

[169] Glute 4 is the insulin -dependent transporters.

[170] What's going to help insulin be transporter?

[171] You need something that's high -glycemic.

[172] So something that's dextrose, right?

[173] So what is, like, a food that's a glute one?

[174] Um, well, salt.

[175] Break it down.

[176] Salt.

[177] And then, uh, glute, uh, glute, uh, or glue five would be, uh, fructose, would be, uh, uh, fructose, which would be fruit right so we you know I'll uh break down fruit for them and then dextrose is basically like any type of sugar that you have you know what I mean so that's basically we incorporate sugar fructose and salt you put those together now the funny thing is is when you incorporate caffeine it's been shown that caffeine post -workout you'll you'll see four times the amount of glycogen in the muscle post -workout if you take the uh the caffeine really yeah did you take it in form of caffeine pills or do you take coffee i'll incorporate it with like uh the the post workout you know like uh like uh coffee shake yeah it's a antihidris like it's a it's a stronger type sometimes i'll see like okay if he's if he's obviously going to bed later it'll be more of a green tea type uh caffeine but yeah i mean the funny thing is like it's shown that caffeine post -workout four times the amount of carbohydrates are in the muscle and I have yet to find out why I you know I talked to um andy uh galpin yeah yeah dude I love that guy he's amazing I'm like hey man I'm like bro I want to get you in the room for like an hour just talk to you um but I was like and I asked him then he's like honestly I don't know either and I was like shit but you know uh you know what I mean So, but, you know, the thing is, I don't know why, but the one thing I do know, yes, 100%.

[178] You know, caffeine post -workout, everybody's all about, you know, caffeine pre -workout.

[179] Caffeine post -workout is extremely important.

[180] And with our sport, it's so important because you got guys that are working out two, three times a day.

[181] You know, they need to be rehydrated.

[182] They need their glycogen storage.

[183] They need to be up.

[184] So did you essentially learn how to weight cut by cutting weight yourself?

[185] I learned every way not to weight cut by myself.

[186] And then rehydrating the same way?

[187] Yeah, the rehydration I did through, you know, lots of studying, lots of studying.

[188] You know, when I look back at what I did for rehydration, I shake my head.

[189] I'm like, holy crap.

[190] Well, it's a relatively recent thing, right?

[191] I mean, think about it.

[192] With wrestling, I mean, wrestlers didn't do such a good job of rehydrating.

[193] I mean, they were basically competing the day of the weight cut.

[194] And, you know, it sounds like it's past tense.

[195] Well, still do that.

[196] They're trying to be a little bit better about that with the way they allow people with hydration tests and colleges and, you know, still.

[197] Still rough.

[198] Yeah.

[199] But at least with them, there's no head trauma.

[200] That's it.

[201] That's the big thing about MMA is rehydrating with head trauma.

[202] How much more difficult is your job now with USADA in place where they can't use IVs?

[203] I love not having the IV.

[204] Really?

[205] I swear to God, yeah.

[206] You know, if you look at every study out there, like, the oral rehydration is actually better for the body.

[207] Everybody's so funny nowadays, everybody's like, oh, you know, like organic, you know, earth -grown nutrients, you got to have this, got to have this.

[208] And then when it comes to, like, cutting weight, it's like, now let's jam a needle into their freaking body and let's shove 9 ,000 milligrams of sodium chloride in their freaking veins.

[209] And that's got to be good.

[210] You know, if, God, honest truth, if they were fighting the same day, 100 % be like yeah you need an IV but they have over 30 hours to rehydrate the body you know the body can do that on its own and it's going to be a lot more natural in terms of absorbing nutrients and giving it what it needs here's the thing when a lot of these guys cut i i break it down like this is the amount exact amount of sodium that your body needs a lot of a lot of people they were taking in like two uh two uh bags of IVs right one bag bag is 9 ,000 milligrams of sodium chloride.

[211] They would take in, like, two bags, that's 18 ,000 milligrams of sodium chloride, and they wouldn't take any, any potassium.

[212] Your body is, it's got to have a, it's a balance of everything.

[213] Yeah, yeah, yeah, like, oh, omega -6, like, you look at fats, you're like, so many studies out there's, oh, omega -6 is bad, you know, like, causes all this inflammation and stuff like, yeah, omega -6 does cause inflammation, but your body needs it.

[214] Your hair needs it, your organs need it, but it needs it.

[215] a good amount of omega -3 to kind of clear that out same thing sodium needs potassium you know like when you look at a muscle pump you're like sodium goes in to a muscle potassium comes out well how does potassium get back in well it needs magnesium magnesium if you don't have magnesium you have to have this this balance and it's funny because these guys was you know back in the day they would take an IV and then and then what they have they'd have soup and they're like ah i need and they'd take more salt they would never basically look at the amount of potassium now these guys are like hey george what do i take and i'm like okay eat this eat this and i think it's a lot healthier for him so they're getting more sophisticated with it uh johnny hentricks recently said that one of the reasons why he retired is because of usada and they could they wouldn't let him use the ivs anymore right he said it made a big difference with him yeah there's um there's a lot of people that are in this job joe that they have no business being in this job doing what i do like i mean i just got on the street i've talked to them how many people like you are there out there i know there's dolce yeah and there's um who else like uh there's a nutrition and um i think perfecting athletes things like that um i've i've talked to a couple people you know like i you know at the end of the day man honestly i always tell people i'm like you know i told my wife this i'm like you know what game is babe and she's like what i'm like it's your ability to pretend like you give a fuck right and i'm like you know what real game is is actually giving a fuck you know what I'm saying like there's a lot of people that they are like oh I want to help you out I don't want to help you out you know what I'm saying like that and people actually like oh cool but then they realize and that's why they work with us because we actually give a fuck like we care you know and you sit there and just like we were working with Gray Jackson it was it was Johnny Bones and it was a fight or whatever and I'm like I'm like hey guys you know like obviously we work with D .C. in D .C., he's got exclusivity with us.

[216] I'm like, how's he doing with the rehydration?

[217] Like, oh, he's using your rehydration.

[218] I'm like, dude, the rehydration I gave you guys was before the IV ban.

[219] Like, it's not the same.

[220] And they're like, oh, you think you talk to his nutritionist?

[221] So I went to talk to him.

[222] And I was like, you know, I was like, what's the osmolity of the water that you're giving him?

[223] And, you know, he looked to me like I had a dick around my forehead.

[224] Like, he was like, what the fuck?

[225] And I'm like, well, I'm like, how much fucking salt are you giving him?

[226] He's like, well, I'm not giving him salt.

[227] I haven't given him salt.

[228] this entire, you know, fucking training camp, why would I give him salt?

[229] And I wasn't going to sit down and give him a fucking whole lecture on nutrition, but like how the fucking body works or anything like that.

[230] But I was like, I just, I went to Johnny Bones and I said, bro, fucking start eating fucking salt.

[231] Like, your life depends on it, brother.

[232] Because, I mean, basically the muscle contraction that you have, a lot of that depends on the amount of sodium that your body has.

[233] You know, the amount of glycogen absorption, muscle contraction, neurons in the body all dependent on fucking salt and you got guys that are like wow, I know fucking no salt I think a lot of guys are in this game because they want their name on the fucking highlights and shit like that you'll see me like Well it's real bizarre that this is such a gigantic sport I mean it is an enormous sport but in terms of even the way people train it's I mean no one really there's not a consensus on what's the correct way to do it and then when it comes to nutrition there's not a consensus and then there's the rehydration and dehydration factor that doesn't exist in any other sport other than boxing right I mean this is the only and I think it's more extreme in MMA than it is even in boxing for the most part right it's just it's such a crazy thing that you've got these super high level athletes that are dealing with gym bros I mean there's a lot of like real high level athletes and I've talked to their trainers And I'm like, what did you just say?

[234] Like, you're a gym, bro.

[235] How did you get with this guy?

[236] This guy's a fucking world -class fighter.

[237] And he's got some schmo from fucking Gold's Gym.

[238] No offense, Gold's Jim.

[239] But you know what I mean?

[240] Some fucking guy's got to tub a shit with him.

[241] He's like, got to take three of these and four of those.

[242] Because I read about it in Wheater.

[243] You know, I mean, they don't really have a strict protocol.

[244] And it's not really based on science and blood work and real science.

[245] No, 100%.

[246] Like, it's sad because the sport is, at the end of the day, like, well, that guy's jacked.

[247] You're the strength and conditioning coach.

[248] You're like, he's fucking big as fuck.

[249] You're like, yeah, you're stringing conditioning.

[250] You know, like, oh, you know a couple people?

[251] You're now my agent.

[252] You know what I mean?

[253] Right, right.

[254] It's, you know, like, in terms of NFL, like, we work with, you know, we work with a lot of different people.

[255] Like, you know, we, Demi Lovato and shit like that.

[256] Like, it's a different world.

[257] Close to your face.

[258] Sorry.

[259] Get, everybody does it.

[260] I'm sorry, brother.

[261] It's all right.

[262] And I know my voices.

[263] People are like, good.

[264] You're going to have subtitles on this time.

[265] It's a great voice.

[266] It's gravely.

[267] It seems like he's lived a lot.

[268] It's not the years.

[269] It's the mileage on the phone.

[270] I remember when Anderson Silva got popped and then people started circulating photos of Anderson's trainer.

[271] He's 70 years old, built like a brick shit house.

[272] I mean, he's got veins coming out of his fucking muscles that are just like garden hoses.

[273] Have you ever seen him?

[274] No. It's hilarious.

[275] We found out that Anderson got popped for steroids.

[276] Then they saw a picture of his train.

[277] I'm like, well, I wonder where he got them from.

[278] You see if you can find.

[279] You got a photo of the guy.

[280] There's a picture of him taking a selfie at the gym.

[281] Oh, no, that's not the guy.

[282] The strength and conditioning guy.

[283] He's a darker gentleman.

[284] And he's built like a brick shit house.

[285] He looks more like a bodybuilder than he does a strength and conditioning coach.

[286] You got it?

[287] Yeah, here he is.

[288] the guy with the white shirt on yeah that's him but that's not the photo I want there he is and he's in his 60s wow yeah so you see that well that's the guy without my shirt Joe I believe you yeah 100 % there's a little something going on there a few south of the board of supplements but you know but the point is that even like the best of the best world -class fighters, they don't necessarily have a background in nutrition or kinesiology or exercise physiology.

[289] They don't necessarily know exactly the right way to approach things.

[290] I mean, shit, for years, fighters wouldn't even drink water in between rounds.

[291] Right.

[292] You know, I mean, they thought water made cramp.

[293] And there's a lot of, like, crazy shit involved in this sport still to this day.

[294] Yeah.

[295] You don't know what you don't know.

[296] And I tell you, our goals, by the end of the next year, we're going to work with every single fighter in the UFC.

[297] We have over 200 fighters in the UFC right now.

[298] Every single one.

[299] So you're going to push everybody else out?

[300] Fuck off.

[301] Fuck everybody.

[302] 100%.

[303] What are they doing wrong?

[304] Everything.

[305] What are the other guys doing wrong?

[306] Everything.

[307] They don't know what the fuck they're doing, Joe.

[308] Like 100%.

[309] They have no fucking clue what the fuck they're doing.

[310] All of them?

[311] All of them.

[312] 100%.

[313] I have people fucking drinking.

[314] They're like, oh, they're drinking C. They're drinking, what's it, salt water during the fucking, during the week of the fight.

[315] And, you know, I hear guys from ATT, like, hey, George, why the fuck would they do that?

[316] I'm like, because that's fucking, that's asinine.

[317] I have people fucking be like, oh, we don't want to cut carbs out because, you know, we want, you know, like, it takes a specific amount of time to rehydrate carbs.

[318] They, you know, they're thinking it takes, like, four fucking days.

[319] But when you actually do it properly, like, this is, this is all scientific shit.

[320] Like, it literally takes 24 hours to rehydrate somebody's fucking glycogen storage.

[321] If you fucking take their water, right?

[322] So every gram of glycogen holds on to three grams of water, right?

[323] And we can literally find out, based on the amount of muscle, tissue that an individual holds, exactly how much glycogen their body holds and how much water that is attached to that glycogen.

[324] Do you work with you, O. Romero?

[325] We did, yes.

[326] That dude, I look at that guy and I go, how the fuck is that a hundred and 85 -pound man?

[327] you want to hear you want to hear some stats with us man yeah so people people are like uh you know like i don't have a hundred percent you know like rate joe and i take right making weight i take i take pride in that shit you know why because i've taken motherfuckers that i know they're not going to make weight i know that bitch ain't gonna make weight you know what i'm like hey man my you know i want to either a be there to be like bitches he's not going to make it and i cut that shit i cut it i've got coaches that are like he's being a pussy i'm I'm like, dude, he's going to die.

[328] He literally is fucking cut 0 .2 goddamn pounds in the last 30 minutes.

[329] He's got 10 pounds ago.

[330] He ain't going to make it.

[331] He's kidneys are going to be, oh, he's being a pussy.

[332] Fuck you guys, man. I cut it off.

[333] You know what I'm saying?

[334] With Yuel is between us, right?

[335] Yeah, no one's listening.

[336] So nobody's listening.

[337] So in Australia, he showed up at 198 and he missed by 2 .5 pounds, right?

[338] With us, he showed up 217 pounds and missed by 0 .2.

[339] And the only reason that he fucking missed by that point, too, is because the fucking athletic commission.

[340] Yeah, the commission in New York put them off.

[341] They fucking came in there.

[342] Like, I was like, hey, I'm, bro, I'm like, cool down, you know, take your time.

[343] I give them 45 minutes to, like, fucking just chill.

[344] We put them in the bath.

[345] The commission came in there and were like, how are you feeling?

[346] He said, I feel good to go.

[347] And they were like, you know, the guy you literally said, he said, you know, unfortunately, that's what all heroes say.

[348] But unfortunately, all heroes are dead.

[349] And I'm like, first off, that's the dumbest thing I've ever fucking heard in my life.

[350] Like, there's a lot of fucking heroes that are still fucking goddamn alive.

[351] You know what I'm saying?

[352] He wants a quote, sound bite guy?

[353] And I'm sitting there like, what the fuck are you talking about?

[354] You know what I'm saying?

[355] Right.

[356] But they're like, he needs to be downstairs.

[357] And we're like, whoa, he has a whole hour.

[358] And they're like, no, no, no, he needs to be downstairs.

[359] Anyway, he got down there.

[360] He was still sweating on the fucking scale, Joe.

[361] And it was only point two.

[362] Point two.

[363] That ain't shit.

[364] But here's my thing.

[365] He showed up 217.

[366] And we got him point two.

[367] over.

[368] To 185.

[369] Yeah, I weigh 197, and I stand next to him, and I'm like, how in the fuck is that a 185 -pound man?

[370] He is a straight -up silverback.

[371] That dude is so jacked.

[372] You want to talk about genetics.

[373] I mean, what kind of fucking genetics is that dude have?

[374] First night, we fucking were doing the cut with him.

[375] He'd never done it.

[376] He never did a bath.

[377] I know he never did a bath, because he went in backwards.

[378] Like, at least, Literally, like, we're like, you know, head goes over here, bro.

[379] Like, he'd never been in the bath.

[380] He got out.

[381] He fucking lost a lot more weight than he expected, and he fucking butt -ass naked, man. Fucking comes to us.

[382] I'm like, oh, shit.

[383] Oh, bro.

[384] Oh, man. Not hugging me. He's, like, shaking me and shit.

[385] And I'm like, man, man, man, car tonight, but, you know what, fucking, I'm not going to fucking, you know, he's a big fucking dude.

[386] So, yeah.

[387] I bet he is, if you know what I'm saying.

[388] Yeah.

[389] He's, that's, uh, he's like the freakiest of all the freak athletes.

[390] Yeah.

[391] You know, of all the dudes where you just like, you look at him and you go, what are the odds that someone turns out like that?

[392] You know, of all the guys who like, like a regular looking guy is like an Evan Dunham, regular looking guy.

[393] And then you got a Yo -O.

[394] Romero.

[395] Like, the world's not fair.

[396] It's just not fucking fair, man. It's not fair.

[397] And that's him on weight, right?

[398] I mean.

[399] That motherfucker What date is that?

[400] Redemption Okay, yeah So that is him Back in the day When you had to cut Actual weight For the weigh -ins That's before the Like if you look at him With the new ones Where he gets to rehydrate Yeah He's such a freak man Fucking animal When he tosses And the fact that he's in his 40s Like what in the fuck And they test that shit out of that dude They don't even That doesn't even make sense Like one plus one is 18 What?

[401] Test him again It doesn't make any sense How come you don't work with him anymore?

[402] I do Oh you still do Yeah I'm saying Oh okay Yeah just We had We were working with Robert Whitaker And they decided to not use us The last week And I'm like all right So we called Not use you the last week Bro So there's a lot of shit You know how this game goes Yeah I do know how this game goes This is one of the more disappointing aspects of this game is that I feel like fighting in particular is so dangerous, it's so personal, it's so, there's so much involved that I feel like loyalty should be at a premium, and it should be one of the most emphasized things.

[403] Like your team, as long as you have a good team, like your team is critical.

[404] I mean, it's everything for the emotional stability of the fighter, but also for not feeling like you're a piece of shit, you know?

[405] And I think there's something to that.

[406] These guys that just dumped their trainers and dumped their coaches and then hop from camp to camp and don't get a better result from it.

[407] I think there's part of them that realizes like, hey, man, this guy brought you to the dance and you abandoned them somewhere along the way because, you know, you saw greener grass on the other side of the fence and it didn't turn out to be greener.

[408] And you don't feel like a champion.

[409] you know you feel like kind of a weasel right right and there's a lot of guys like that but then there's guys who are there in a situation like t j dillsha right where he was in a situation where he was like this this doesn't seem right like i don't like the way this camp is going and then dwayne ludwig comes along and he's like i am fucking learning and growing with this guy and he's like look i got to go guys i'll still train with you i love you but i got to think about my future and then they're like you fucking weasel you left us but look he's right you look at the results clearly he was right I mean T .J right now he's he defended his title beat Cody twice one of the best in the world you look at his improvement his overall growth and his improvement inside the octagon like he was right you know and so it's a it's a it's a weird balance like when do you pull the shoot when do you bail when you get out of there you know when when uh you know the first person I ever worked with Brian Stan you know me and him were in the Marine Corps together you know Like, it's the only reason I'm actually doing what I'm doing today.

[410] Is it because of Brian?

[411] Yeah.

[412] Oh, wow.

[413] I love that guy.

[414] Dude, he's a shit -in.

[415] I love him to death, man. He's just all around amazing.

[416] I want him to run for president.

[417] Bro.

[418] 100%.

[419] You know, motherfuckers are like, you know, I was this analogy.

[420] I'm like, oh, you know, that people are like, oh, this guy's a good guy.

[421] He's never, you know, cheat on his wife.

[422] He's never done this, done that.

[423] I'm like, dude, look at the motherfucker.

[424] He doesn't have options.

[425] You know what I'm saying?

[426] Like, look at him.

[427] Brian.

[428] that motherfucker's got options yeah he's like I'm like you're so goddamn good like he would get a text from like a female and they'd be like hey I just did a photo shoot blah blah blah blah he'd like you know my wife would not appreciate you uh you don't text me in this form of fashion and I'm like I hate hanging out with you bro you make me feel like a horrible person this and everything he's always on you know what I mean he's just a good motherfucker he's a great guy he's a great motherfucker guy you know I mean but uh you know at the end of the day man like uh you know he I'm like, you're built like a goddamn T -Rex, you know, big head, fucking short arms, you know what I'm saying?

[429] And, you know, at WC, you fucking won the world title, got to, you know, UFC, it wasn't working out for him.

[430] I'm like, you need to go to 185.

[431] He's like, you know, you help me out to cut?

[432] Fuck yeah, dude.

[433] And that's what I was doing in the Marine Corps.

[434] I was helping guys get down to a weight, and then they have to actually perform.

[435] That's my job in the Marine Corps.

[436] So your job of the Marine Corps was helping guys get down in a weight so that the performance would be better in combat?

[437] Right.

[438] You have to actually, you have weight standards and then you have performance standards in the Marine Corps.

[439] So how would you dial that in based on body fat, based on just how much mass they're carrying around?

[440] I mean, there's a lot to it.

[441] But, you know, it depends on, you know, yeah, absolutely, like, okay, this is to build this individual.

[442] This is their activity level.

[443] This is what time they wake up.

[444] This is one time they go to sleep.

[445] This is what their MOS, which for us, that's military operational skill.

[446] Like, you know, if you have somebody that's a recon Marine, they're going to have a lot different caloric needs and somebody that's, a fucking admin, you know what it needs, you know.

[447] Right, right.

[448] So, you know, we give the body what it needs, you know, and it's funny because we never have a, a base diet, you know, like if somebody is basically, they don't have an anaerobic workout throughout the day, you know, like a ketogenic diet is perfect for them.

[449] You know what I'm saying?

[450] Like, they don't need those carbs.

[451] They don't, you know, like, it's like, you actually need a ketogenic diet because you give the body what it needs when it needs it.

[452] When you're aerobic, your body's primary source of fuel is fat.

[453] You know what, Your body is primary source of fuel is going to be that fat.

[454] So what do we do?

[455] We feed it the fucking fat.

[456] You know what I mean?

[457] If you're anaerobic and you're training throughout the day, then we actually incorporate a lot more carbohydrates and just give them the body.

[458] Right for someone who's lifting weights, doing explosive shit.

[459] Yeah, 100%.

[460] You know, people, nutrition is a lot like religion.

[461] If you fucking don't agree with somebody, like a lot of motherfuckers are like, ah, dude, this guy doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

[462] I've noticed that.

[463] It's really, it's very bizarre.

[464] And I've had some conversations on the podcast recently about that.

[465] The more recent one was the most civil one was between Lane Bryant and Dominic de Augustino, where they were talking about, Nate, Lane Norton, rather, where they were talking about ketogenic diets versus carbohydrate diets.

[466] And Bio Lane, you know, do you know Lane, Lane Norton?

[467] Yeah, well, I did see that.

[468] Super smart guy.

[469] George, you're going on that podcast, you better fucking watch this.

[470] I'm like, okay.

[471] Yeah.

[472] Yeah, super smart guy, very, but more emphasizes carbohydrates, whereas Dom D 'Agostino's, they're both scientists, like legit scientists.

[473] He emphasizes ketogenic diet.

[474] And it's a very interesting conversation because Lane really never was on a ketogenic diet for a long period of time.

[475] Whereas Dom emphasizes that when you get fat adapted over longer periods of time, four to six months, your body, there's some legitimate benefits with cognitive functions, and even performance benefits as time goes on.

[476] But certainly in terms of your energy level, your ability to perform without - Systemic, no matter what.

[477] Systemic how so?

[478] Yeah, so like at the end of the day, like, you know, I guess I'm like Connor.

[479] You know, if I put him on a ketogenic diet, he'd be fucked.

[480] You know what I mean?

[481] He needs power, he's output, quick, fast, in a hurry.

[482] You know, your muscles use that glycogen from that part of the muscle, whatever they're using, right there and then.

[483] Whereas - A hundred percent Yeah You know And that's where I think people have a problem Like you know Like I'm not You know I'll say Voltaire You know he says You know the true knowledge Of the individual Not by the By the answers You but by the questions They ask You know like A lot of people are like Hey Lockhart You know like Is peanut butter good for me?

[484] I'm like well it depends I can't talk to you That's what you got to say To them With that It's when This road is too long I don't have time to travel Motherfuck is When is it good for you That's the wrong question.

[485] When is it good for you?

[486] You're like, what are you doing?

[487] What is your activity levels like?

[488] And what kind of peanut butter?

[489] Right.

[490] Is that that shit that's piled up with sugar or real peanut butter?

[491] Motherfuckers, dude, I tell you this, people like, it's like, people like, well, I eat healthy.

[492] I'm like, what the fuck is healthy?

[493] You're putting oil in your gas tank and putting gas in your oil pan.

[494] You know what I'm saying?

[495] Everything that you do, you know, rest straight quotient, you break down your body.

[496] Your body's using fuel in a different ratio based on the activity that you have.

[497] and it's like well if you're giving your body carbohydrates but your body's using fats why the fuck is that healthy you know what I'm saying?

[498] It's not it's not it's so it's so simple but you know we always start people follow this program bro and they're like holy shit I feel I'm never hungry have energy and this because you're giving the body what it means all the time all the time bro now do you limit any foods are there any like do you do you allow people to eat pasta or bread do you cut anything out of the diet I mean honestly they can have whatever they want at the right fucking time you know like if you look at like the metabolic equivalent right for somebody like yourself let's say you go on you fucking bust a fucking workout out you can burn 800 calories you know you can burn 800 calories in a workout no problem right so if you're burning 800 calories in your anaerobic and your body's primary source of fuel is going to be carbohydrates let's just take all formulas and all the math out of it for a sec but let's say 800 calories there's four calories for every one gram of carbohydrates.

[499] For you to fucking replenish what you need, you'd need 200 grams of carbohydrates just to replenish what you just did for a workout.

[500] How many motherfuckers do you know take 200 grams of carbohydrates post -workout?

[501] None.

[502] None.

[503] None.

[504] Very few.

[505] But at the end of the week, you're like, God, I'm fucking tired.

[506] I don't know why I'm so tired.

[507] So what kind of carbohydrates would you, like say if someone wanted to do like something, like a CrossFit workout or something like that?

[508] A lot of kettlebells, chin ups.

[509] box jumps, shit like that.

[510] Right.

[511] What kind of carbohydrates do you have them refuel with post -workout?

[512] Fruit dose, dextrose, caffeine, and salt.

[513] All those.

[514] 100%.

[515] Because that's going to activate all the transporters.

[516] You think of salt as a carbohydrate?

[517] No, no, no, no, no. And you just add it to it.

[518] Yeah, because in terms of transporters, that is one that is activates.

[519] The esculate one is a sodium -dependent transporter.

[520] Now, how much salt would you add in what kind?

[521] Depends on how much weight they lose.

[522] So say if I did a hard workout, I lose seven pounds.

[523] Fuck, man. What if I kick, you know, like, beat the shit out of the bag, fucking run around the block, do hill sprints.

[524] Right.

[525] And I come back five pounds lighter or whatever.

[526] Just give me a number.

[527] Okay.

[528] So basically with sweat, now this is, I'm negating a lot of fucking other math.

[529] Okay.

[530] But every pound is basically 500 milligrams of sodium.

[531] Every pound that you lose for salt, you lose about 500 milligrams of sodium.

[532] So if you lost seven pounds, you would need basically 13 milligrams of sodium.

[533] $4 ,500 milligrams of sodium to fucking replenish what the fuck you did.

[534] That seems like a lot.

[535] Yeah, that's not eating a lot of other fucking things, I'm telling you.

[536] But a lot of things, like, people are like, that's a lot.

[537] But a lot of science that you look at is from fucking average Joe.

[538] How many average Joe's going to lose seven goddamn pounds going to fucking work out?

[539] Zero.

[540] Right?

[541] They're like, I lost half a pound.

[542] I was on the elliptical machine for 15 minutes.

[543] So take 250, take 250 milligrams of fucking sodium, you're good to go.

[544] You know what I mean?

[545] So how do you have them take the sodium in what form?

[546] It's all going to be like I actually want them to take carbohydrates during and post workout.

[547] So what is in what form?

[548] Yeah.

[549] So it's going to be blended fruit and the dextrose is going to be a specific type of sugar.

[550] They drink it.

[551] And what happens is when you increase insulin that actually decreases cortisol, right?

[552] Cortisol is not a fucking bad thing, man. It's a glucocorticoid that actually helps get rid of inflammation.

[553] problem is like people like nowadays are like oh it's the fucking stress hormone and shit like your body doesn't create a fucking hormone that's bad for you it's not going to like your body does not create something that is bad for you is this bad for you at the wrong times and then the wrong doses excessive like insulin you know insulin is insulin is insulin bad for you fucking ask a diabetic they're like fuck I wish I had that shit you know what I'm but when you have it in excessive amounts you know what I'm saying that's that's our problem man right we just we don't know when to take and how much it takes so do you have guys take those glucose gels like those like runners take like no no no I actually you know like you know I find out what guys like you know at the end of day like consistency on a diet is the most important fucking thing if I get somebody on the zone diet the paleo diet the fucking grapefruit diet there's 75000 diets in the fucking you know on the internet right now today if I fucking have you consistent on one diet you're gonna fucking see results consistency and I always tell people I'm like I'd rather you be 100 100 % consistent on 10 % of of my diet, then 100 % consistent on 10 % of the diet.

[554] You know what I'm saying?

[555] Like, so at the end of the day, like, I have guys that are laid.

[556] They have sugar teeth.

[557] Like, fuck me, I'm going to, eat some fucking tweezers post -workout.

[558] Your body's going to fucking use it.

[559] Your body is going to use it.

[560] You know what I'm saying?

[561] I've heard that before, like people that recommend candy post -workout.

[562] Yeah.

[563] Is it the best?

[564] No, you know, like, you know, I know you have Ron DePatrick talk about the ATP and shit like that.

[565] but you know like when you're when you're done working out you know your body needs those carbohydrates quick fast in a hurry it's going to activate those those transporters and um your body's gonna use them is it the best 100 % no but it's it's um keeping your sanity and it's consistency if somebody works their ass off and they're like i know if i work my ass off i get some fucking twizzlers yeah you know you're gonna you're gonna see a lot better results so what would you recommend though so if someone doesn't have a sweet tooth but you just, they say, hey, what should I use to replenish my glycogen?

[566] Lockhart and least supplement line would be that.

[567] No, honestly, like a fruit toast.

[568] Fruit dose is from fruits, right?

[569] Break down fruits, right?

[570] sugars, like a dextrose is a basic sugar.

[571] You know, like, it's a monosaccharide.

[572] So, you know, you can find that in just about any kind of fucking sugar, like can sugar.

[573] What do you think about, like chocolate milk?

[574] I know a lot of guys are doing.

[575] fucking stupidest thing that was a big thing for a while right dude this is the thing about studies and shit like I mean like it was like this is this is the best thing for fuck a post workout right same fucking that was from the NSA the NSA came out with another fucking study was like well you know like 89 % of fucking Latino population lactose intolerance 93 % of the African American population is lactose intolerant and fucking it was like 90 % of the fucking Asian American population is lactose intolerance I'm like, you guys literally just did a goddamn study, and you're showing that most the goddamn population is lactose and tolerant, but you're saying that the milk is the best goddamn thing to fucking give.

[576] That's stupid.

[577] It's asinine.

[578] You know, like, cassine protein, like, again, it's easy.

[579] If somebody's like, if you take, you know, chocolate milk, post -workout, but like, Joe, what are you using when you work out?

[580] What is your body using when you work out?

[581] Is it using carbs or is using protein?

[582] If your body is using protein as a source of fuel, you're fucking.

[583] with something fucked up man you know what i'm saying like literally your body go through you know gluconeogenesis you know like fucking you know it'll turn protein into fucking carbohydrates but that ain't the way it's supposed to fucking be right so you would never recommend someone doing like that carnivore diet no no no see i'm i'm a never i'm a never never guy like i'm never gonna say never you know what i'm saying because depending on your lifestyle you know if you're sedentary and and uh you know you don't do anything that's anaerobic i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm I would promote the ketogenic diet for somebody.

[584] Yeah, it's not even a ketogenic diet.

[585] That's the thing about that carnivore diet.

[586] Rhonda Patrick went over pretty much in detail, and she thinks what's going on for the most part where people are seeing results is basically calorie restriction because you're just not eating that many calories when you're eating only steak, you know, in terms of, like, how much you're using throughout the day.

[587] And a lot of these people are eating, like, one, two meals a day, and they're losing massive amounts of weight.

[588] They're down to the weight they were when they were 21, and they feel fantastic.

[589] all the gut problems go away, all the different, you know, issues they have with autoimmune diseases go away.

[590] And she's like, this is all mimicked by calorie restriction diets.

[591] She's like, this is most likely what you're experiencing.

[592] And there's a bunch of other nutrition experts that are sort of examining that because it's become quite a movement, this carnivore diet.

[593] You look at, like, people are like calories in calories out, you know, like 40 % of calories from protein are actually using a breakdown of protein.

[594] So if I eat 100 calories of protein, 40 of their motherfuckers are.

[595] are used to actually break down the protein.

[596] And then there's a thermogenic effect to actually heat the body.

[597] Like you eat a lot of fucking meat.

[598] You know what I'm saying?

[599] Yeah, that's one of the things they actually recommend you do.

[600] It's one of the things they actually recommend if you're cold, like if you get drenched.

[601] If like you're, you know, and you're, to rewarm, like there's these things that they do rewarming drills in the military.

[602] And they recommend you eating.

[603] Yeah.

[604] And eating is a big part of trying to heat up because your body.

[605] starts generating heat to try to break down the food that you're taking in.

[606] Right.

[607] Yeah.

[608] There's so much that we look at it to.

[609] Like, 10 % of your metabolism actually comes from breaking down food.

[610] 10%.

[611] That's a fuck ton of calories, man. That's a lot.

[612] You know, and that's, you know, when we actually come to rehydration, like, in terms of the fighters getting ready for the fight, we actually take a look at that.

[613] Like, do you want your body breaking food down while you're fighting and stuff like that?

[614] Right.

[615] You know, through your enteric nervous system, your body's not going to be like, you know, we're going to break this.

[616] food down.

[617] No, actually, you know, like, with your interior nervous system, the body, you know, if you see a fucking bear, body's like, hmm, we're going to break down food or we're going to run from the fucking bear, you know?

[618] Body's like, we're going to fucking run.

[619] So it sends the nophenepine through the body fucking, you stop digesting, but it doesn't mean that shit's not stealing your fucking gut.

[620] Right.

[621] But with that, with that being said, like in terms of the meat and shit like that, yeah, man, like a lot, a large percentage of that is actually used to break down foods.

[622] And it's like we talk about glucagon and I get so many fucking people that are like that's not how the body works you know like I I get that's not how the body fuck works when you when you fucking eat the protein like it's not like your body's like oh we're gonna shoot glucagon through the fucking system but how many times if you ate a fucking high pancake fucking breakfast and you're like let's go fucking kick today's ass no you were like fuck let's go back to bed you have a big ass omelet you know you're like suck today's dick and let's fucking go kick some ass you know what I'm saying like you have energy because gluggan's fucking you through some obviously like it's not the way the body works but you know in in essence like when you're when you're taking specific things at specific times you're going to you're going to promote the usage of of carbohydrates more or less so those pancakes wouldn't be a bad thing after a workout after a workout 100 % timing is everything now what you we really haven't wrapped that up so fruits but what other kind of his sugars do you recommend a guy take post workout hard workout I mean we We work with so many guys They're sponsored by this supplement company This supplement company But we give them whatever the fuck they want In terms of the dextrose And dextrose is just a monosaccharide It's basically just a simple sugar Strain away from that fella There you Just bring it to you It moves The arm goes this way It goes that way Joe, me and technology do not make Just keep it near you Just keep it near you That's all you do It feels awkward You don't have to lean It moves towards towards you.

[623] That's what I'm trying to say.

[624] Like, grab the arm.

[625] Breach, grab the arm.

[626] Pull towards you.

[627] All right, Joe, this is really getting up.

[628] It goes this way.

[629] It goes that way.

[630] It goes back.

[631] And before a fight, what do you have, like, when, like say if Connor's going to fight it, 9 p .m. is the main event.

[632] When do you have them eat?

[633] And what do you have them eat?

[634] So we have to break it down the amount of meals, right?

[635] So what we do is we basically find out the amount of muscle.

[636] tissue that individual has.

[637] So he's weighing what on the day of the fight?

[638] One 70 -ish.

[639] Right.

[640] So what we have to do?

[641] It's not necessarily your like your weight, but it's your lean muscle tissue.

[642] So you have your lean body mass, right?

[643] So if I, let's say you're 200 pounds, right?

[644] You're 200 pounds and you're 10 % body fat.

[645] That means that you're 180 pounds, a lean body mass. A lot of people are like, oh, that means I'm 180 pounds of muscle.

[646] No, that actually means only 40 % of that is actual lean muscle tissue.

[647] Now, each kilogram a lean muscle tissue holds on under 13 grams of glycogen.

[648] So we have to find out, okay, how much muscle, or how much lean muscle tissue do you hold?

[649] All right.

[650] Now, how do you find that out?

[651] Do you do a float?

[652] Do you have them submerge in water?

[653] Do you do?

[654] Honestly, brother, I have literally, like, we've had the hydrostatic testing.

[655] We've done the, um, the fuck is it?

[656] Deccascan, is it?

[657] Thank you.

[658] Thank you.

[659] I appreciate that.

[660] So that's where you brought me. The fucking this big word.

[661] The Deccascan is.

[662] the one that they use the performance I think I don't think I'm saying it correctly but it's something like that that's that machine and they have it in the yeah it's 500 ,000 dollar piece of gear right yeah fucking they're incorrect they're wrong 100 % bro 100 % I literally here's the thing there's things that you know scientifically can't happen your body cannot be anabolic and catabolic at the same fucking time so if you're like you know I got so many people like hey George I want to gain muscle and lose fat so do I man I would love that but it's impossible It's impossible.

[663] Your body cannot be anabolic and catabolic at the same fucking time, right?

[664] Well, we went and did that machine last year with fucking Connor, right?

[665] It showed him, and at the end of the day, I'm like, that's how good I fucking am.

[666] But it showed him gaining muscle and losing actual fat.

[667] It's impossible.

[668] I'm like, those are incorrect.

[669] Well, impossible over a long period of time, you're saying?

[670] Obviously, some people do gain muscle and they do lose fat.

[671] Like, say, if someone's on a diet.

[672] percentage like so if you gain so here's thing okay if you gain muscle mass your your body fat percentage can go down right you can lean out right so let's say like oh it's like okay i gain five pounds of muscle and i only gain like a half a pound of fat my my body fat is going to go down because your body weight got heavier a hundred percent but did i lose fat no i did not lose fat if you look at like okay your body has it makes sense yeah it's impossible So how does one lose body fat?

[673] Well, you've got to be in a catabolic state.

[674] You've got to be at a deficit.

[675] And when you are at a deficit, you're not going to gain muscle.

[676] In fact, you're going to lose muscle.

[677] 100%.

[678] If anybody says otherwise, they're full of shit and they're on an infomercial.

[679] And if you buy it today for 1999, the truth, brother.

[680] So that's just how the body works.

[681] The body works in that if you're gaining muscle, you might have less percentage of fat, but that is because your body is getting heavier.

[682] Right, right.

[683] Yeah, you can lean out.

[684] Like, your body fat percentage can go down.

[685] Right.

[686] But if you look at, like, a dexas scan, it's going to be like, okay, you have, let's say you have 50 pounds of fat.

[687] It's not going to be like, it shouldn't be like, oh, now you have 40 pounds of fat.

[688] And more muscle.

[689] Right.

[690] 100%.

[691] I see what you're saying.

[692] So you calculate how much lean muscle mass he has.

[693] Tissue.

[694] Lean muscle tissue, excuse me. And then you coordinate his meal.

[695] meals accordingly.

[696] So it's like, okay, well, he's going to fight it this time or she's going to fight at this time.

[697] This is the amount of meals that they're going to have dictated on the amount of, you know, like after rehydration, so on and so forth, this amount, this amount of carbohydrates that they actually have to have.

[698] And it's funny because men and women are totally different.

[699] Right.

[700] You know, man. You still work with Cyborg?

[701] I don't work with Cyborg.

[702] That was an extreme weight cut though, right?

[703] Yeah.

[704] We'll go with that.

[705] Yeah.

[706] Yeah.

[707] I mean, yeah, she's, yeah.

[708] It was tough.

[709] Chris is a, I mean, it's no fucking, it's not, you know, she's a big girl, you know what I mean, like, you know, so.

[710] Where does she walk around that?

[711] I, you know, I don't remember, but I think it was like in the 70s, you know, something like that.

[712] And she got all the way down to 140 at one point of time, which didn't make any fucking sense.

[713] When they were making her do that, I was like, why are you making her do that when you don't even have a goddamn weight class for it?

[714] I was like, are you making her do that to show that she's close to 135?

[715] It didn't make any sense.

[716] Like, there's a 145.

[717] You could have her fight at 145.

[718] No, no, no, no, 140.

[719] Like, what?

[720] There's no 140 weight class.

[721] Right, right.

[722] It doesn't exist.

[723] Right.

[724] It's so weird.

[725] That was so weird.

[726] And I would see her, like, the videos of her fucking crying and the, you know, trying to get her down to that weight.

[727] I was like, that's insane.

[728] Yeah, no, it's definitely.

[729] And, you know, like, with every weight cut, man, it's fucking tough.

[730] You know, like, well, Chris, like me and her got.

[731] we got close I think we got a little bit too close you know that's one thing I learned like I have to keep I have to have a separation you know I mean because like when you're like get the fuck in the bath like right you know you have to have that and with her I was like man we were so close as friends I was like fuck dude like right I see what you're saying yeah you can't get hardcore yeah dude I'm bad like too with women too I'm fucking horrible right with dudes I'm like I mean girls I'm like oh man fuck dude do we have to do this do we like right right yeah who's the hardest that you've ever had to lose weight fucking vic james goddamn vick yeah that's son of a bitch he's six fucking four fighting at 155 he's a big fella yeah dude he got a goddamn sweet tooth oh no george judge come man let me have some oreos like after he makes weight like me have some orios we have we have a little you know game all right you get two orioles if you do this you know what does he walk around that um he's in the 90s man Jesus Christ how much do you think that affects his actual performance do you think that hinders him am I talking business or I'm talking reality reality yeah of course man it does so it's a point of diminishing returns right like you gotta figure out when do you hit that point yeah and because you look at guys like Dustin Poirier done much better at 155 yeah looks better did I mean I work with you know I'll never forget like I work with Dustin when he first got into UFC and they were like He needs to be $1 .45 in 21 days.

[732] Let's fucking do it, man. You know, like him and fucking, you know, so many motherfuckers.

[733] You know what I mean?

[734] You're absolutely right.

[735] You know, you look at that Kelvin Gash to them, you know?

[736] People don't realize, like, the point of a fight camp is not to make weight.

[737] The point of a fight camp is to increase your skill, increase your ability.

[738] Like, it should be puritization.

[739] You know what I'm saying?

[740] We're talking about, like, the big beef, you know, big motherfuckers are like, yeah, you're like, This guy is a strengthening coach.

[741] He don't know shit about periodization.

[742] Do you work with Calvin?

[743] Yeah.

[744] We work together a lot.

[745] And it's, you know, like now we don't work so much together.

[746] You know, like when he was, and that's one of the things.

[747] Like a lot of guys will work with us when they have to make weight.

[748] There's certain guys like Frank Yeager.

[749] Eggers like, dude, he invests in himself.

[750] He knows that.

[751] I mean, he shows up almost on weight, but it's all about performance.

[752] He knows that.

[753] You know what I mean?

[754] Same thing with the.

[755] Well, he's a guy who fought at 155.

[756] when he really was 155.

[757] I can get him to $1 .25, no problem.

[758] What?

[759] He's a day, bro.

[760] 125.

[761] Because people were talking about him fighting at $1 .35.

[762] You're saying you could get him to fight flyweight.

[763] 100%.

[764] But, you know, and then people are like, well, and I'm like, dude, if a motherfucker's whooping ass at $145 and $150, like, when they were talking, like, oh, you just get more.

[765] And he was a champion in 155.

[766] I'm like, why the fuck am I going to try and cut this guy if he's a champion?

[767] Right.

[768] You know what I mean?

[769] Like, you know.

[770] you know and because you could be the champ champ champ I know I know like 125 you think so bro have you talked to him about this I fucking love frankie you pulled him aside no I haven't put the pizza down I will never ask him I will never sit down if Frankie was like George I want to get to 125 I'm like thank God George thank goodness but hey he's never asked me so I'll never bring you up do you work with TJ I have work with TJ I don't be in him a good friend and this is the thing with me Joe like I work with fucking everybody so like in terms of politics like i'm like i'm a dirty little slut that goes from one room to the next you know what i mean like how it has to be right yeah i'm gonna go to the next one yeah dirty bastard yeah fucking horrible do they allow that more so with you because it's a weight cut thing it's not like you're you're not teaching it's not like you work with tj and you go oh i know tj's tendencies and then you work with another guy i'm not i'm not training you to beat a specific individual you're training per people person to make a specific weight what else What I tell people is I'm making you the best you that I can be.

[771] And in terms of business, I'm like, don't you want to beat the best of them?

[772] And they're like, well, fuck, yeah, all right.

[773] So it's okay.

[774] So that's why they're okay with that.

[775] Right.

[776] That's interesting.

[777] That's like, that's a rare section of the sport where you can do that.

[778] 100%.

[779] But you have to, like, and I've had to, you know, we have a pretty, we have an awesome team.

[780] You know what I mean?

[781] But that's one thing I have to tell them because they get so fucking, you know, Like, when you're with a fighter for a camp, you get super close.

[782] And I'm like, bro, like, it's fine to get close with them.

[783] But it's okay to root for them.

[784] But we never get to a point where we root, and we talk shit about the other fucking team.

[785] Right.

[786] Chances are we work with them.

[787] And we work with Khabi, you know what I mean, for a long time.

[788] You know what I mean?

[789] So.

[790] Who does he work with now?

[791] I don't know.

[792] I have no idea.

[793] And he's had some real struggles.

[794] Bro, he's had some tough cut, man. He's a tough motherfucker.

[795] What was he doing wrong?

[796] Everything.

[797] everything you know and it's funny because i think that it's uh there's there's like a language barrier and the thing but you know like there's also like um let's say you're cutting weight right and you're you're looking at like okay common sense if i drink water i'm gonna fucking be heavier right so fuck drinking water what you don't realize is you got your reining you know angiotension el -dashron system that's fucking going to be activated if you fucking cut back water early people don't realize that shit man you know what i'm saying so what they do it's meaning that your body tries to hold on to that water yeah everything everything in your body's created from a stimulus you know what I mean like first stimulus is you you're hot right when you're hot what does your body do it's fucking sweat then what happens well oh shit like my body's dehydrated blood pressure starts dropping and it starts releasing ADHD starts releasing uh you start releasing uh um you know um you know um you know you know you can you from sweating you know so they don't look at that what they look at is like i drink water puts weight on we're going to start drinking water early.

[798] How long have you been working with Connor?

[799] Since Josie Aldo.

[800] It was the first time I worked with Josie Aldo.

[801] So it's been quite a long time, though.

[802] Yeah, yeah.

[803] Yeah.

[804] And how much of the difference has it made, John?

[805] It's huge because until then I was winging it.

[806] You know, the weight -cutting part of the sport is cloaks and daggers and you're overhearing conversations and you're Googling.

[807] So, you know, I was it was pretty much guesswork on my end you know I got him to 145 nearly 20 times on my own but when we brought George in and I wasn't even just about making weight what I noticed with him was that every session was productive there was no sessions where he didn't have to pop in his shots or soreness or you know that would just be a normal part whereas when we brought in George that that was a lot each session was a lot more effective so it wasn't just about making the weight it was making the training camp where he was improving the whole way through it he got down to 1 .45 a couple times and he looked like a monster.

[808] He looked like a zombie.

[809] It was terrifying.

[810] Yeah.

[811] I mean that had to play a big part in your decision to no longer have him fight at that weight pressure.

[812] Yeah, yeah.

[813] I mean, we'd already gone up to 155.

[814] His final fight before going to the UFC was at 155 and I was kind of like, oh, thank God, you know, this is there's a suit in them better because when he joined he was a sort of a scrawny 16, 17 year old but then he started becoming a man so getting down there was getting scarier and scarier and then his last fight outside of UFC I thought you looked fantastic it was a handy way cut and he just looked like a tank now the offer came in a couple of weeks later Sean email me and said we're offering you a 145 fight in April and of course I told Connor and he's screaming and running around And we didn't care what weight class.

[815] If he had to say 125, we would have done it.

[816] Sean specifically wanted us at 1 .45.

[817] And we sort of went back to that lighter weight class and it was almost accidental.

[818] And then as soon as we got the opportunity, he went back up again.

[819] Yeah, he looked very thick at the weigh -ins.

[820] He looks heavier.

[821] He looks bigger.

[822] Yeah, and that's a part of the life cycle of an athlete.

[823] If you're with the same guy for over a decade, you're going to see changes.

[824] He's 30 now.

[825] he's not 18 anymore it's it there is these different things going on in his life so you know it's that's the benefit i think of working with someone for a long period of time rather than you know kind of gym hopping that you you you'll know what they can and can't do and he does a lot of unconventional training right in terms of like physical conditioning like i know is he still doing that all that stuff with edo portale yeah anytime edos in in in europe he tends to drop into Ireland we have a great relationship with him and he'll play around with that I you know the reality is he's most of our time is going to be spent on the fundamentals of MMA and the great thing with Ido is he's especially in training camp he'll come in near the end where you're just tired of doing single leg defenses you're tired of doing pad work and he comes in he does all these fun games so we're still working out we're still he's firing his brain in different ways he's working on coordination on balance for me is the you know the head trainer it's like it's a nice break.

[826] I'm sure there's John Wayne Power I heard say that when you have a fight coming up you know how many miles you're going to run you know how many kicks you're going to throw.

[827] Every night and again you want to come in and want to do so on back jumping in the air spinning elbows and stuff because it breaks the monotony and MMA is fantastic because it's all the martial arts together you're almost never going to get bored because you can always do something different but there's still there's still a repetitiveness to it that it's nice to break with something unusual Now, how much does training change when you're dealing with a specialist, like a guy like Khabib who is just a grappling phenom?

[828] How much do you shift the emphasis of the training to take down defense, working on grappling?

[829] And do you work mostly take down defense, or do you just work overall wrestling so that take down defense becomes a part of that as well?

[830] All of that.

[831] But, yeah, definitely.

[832] maybe talk about later there's one thing I could change is that I think I was too defensive in my mindset for this training camp but Habib has very specific types of takedowns depending on where he is whether it's shooting on the low single in the middle and then on the fence long before Conner Street the fight and I loved watching them that's kind of my area's defense I just love right from the Randy Couture days how to use the fence and Habib does it to a new level you know when the takedowns he hit in Connor he hadn't actually done it until the aliquinta fight so it was nice that we kind of got to see that at the high crotch i'd see a bit of dc in that the high crotch and then trip on the far leg and i think he blocked it once but he did catch him with it and so you know there's very specific takedowns um definitely for this training camp it was the most specific that we went and then i remember about a week out or whenever it was he did an interview and he said well if he doesn't make it well i'll fight tony i don't care who it is and i was going damn it I hadn't even looked at Tony's fights in so long so me and the other coaches like start like okay quick what does he do again oh yeah he has that style because we wore so specific for this one Tony could possibly be a fight in the future when you when you think about the future now after the Kabib fight how what are you thinking are you thinking about just rest let the dust settle and then look at the landscape like what how do you approach it now I might but he doesn't what does he think he's screaming and shouting for the rematch within minutes it's hard to push for that rematch though after that fight right sure no i i understand the logic of that you know tony's kind of earned and stuff but i also understand this is a business and it would be a huge fight you know the rematch would be a huge fight do you don't you think that it would be difficult to sell because of how dominant kabb was in that fight um sure i do think the round tree shows showed promise.

[833] Like I said, I would have liked to have changed things up a little bit, specifically a more offensive mindset.

[834] I thought defensively, we did quite well.

[835] But offensively, we weren't really where we usually are.

[836] And, you know, right when the fight was over, I was thinking, you know what?

[837] I was kind of going into this, like, not to lose, but not to win.

[838] You know, and his shots weren't as crisp as they normally are.

[839] He had opportunities to hit him, especially in the third round.

[840] and he just seemed to be the range.

[841] Something was off.

[842] How much of it had to do with the fact that he hadn't fought MMMA in two years?

[843] Absolutely.

[844] Had to, right?

[845] Yeah, of course, of course.

[846] And we tried to mimic it as close as we could in the gym.

[847] And I brought in guys that he didn't know.

[848] And I would say, this is Fight Day.

[849] And he would do with George exactly what he's going to do on Fight Day.

[850] And we'd have a referee.

[851] And so to get the fight feel.

[852] But it's still in the gym, which it makes.

[853] Is he at a position now where every fight has to, to be a gigantic super fight and is that nest is that a problem in that you know what i thought after the fight after it was all over i was like you know what a good fight would be would be him versus pettus like that would be a really good fight and it would be a really interesting fight in terms of stylistic matchup and it would be a great fight i think for connor to sort of just get a wild three round or i guess it would probably be a main event it would be five rounds but it would be a wild fight yeah that would probably favor him yeah Yeah, I mean, the boxing, you know, when Tyson Fury was kind of coming back, they gave him a, you know, not the toughest guy in the world.

[854] That shit doesn't happen in the M .A. But it doesn't happen in the M .A. Well, it doesn't happen in the UFC.

[855] Specifically.

[856] Yeah.

[857] And there's an issue with that, I think.

[858] Yeah.

[859] You know, he was, you know, at his early stages, he was fighting all the time.

[860] And as is natural, as you get older and as you achieve more, it is going to start becoming, you know, once or twice a year.

[861] That's just a natural progression of an athlete.

[862] I don't care who you.

[863] you are but the wild fights that he could have at 155 pounds whether it's james vick or just engagey or pettis or there's good fights for him yes that aren't necessarily could be they aren't necessarily tony ferguson but they're a good fight to get that timing back get everything locked in you know 100 but you you have to factor in his personality and he's only fighting now for fights that are really interesting to him he's not that interest in anybody not that i've heard Lloyd Mayweather paper.

[864] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[865] That's a problem.

[866] All the money, money, money, money.

[867] Right.

[868] So, you know, what more can he, you know, even with his spending?

[869] Well, the idea would be the eye on the future and the eye on the rematch, you know, like getting everything dialed in so that when he does have a rematch with Khabi, he is samurai sword sharp.

[870] Yes, sir.

[871] As opposed to having two years off, one boxing fight in between them.

[872] and then such a grappling heavy contest.

[873] Yeah, I don't disagree.

[874] That would be a trainer, you know, for me as a trainer, that would be the ideal.

[875] But it would be hard to motivate him for that.

[876] I think it would be hard to motivate him, and it's not the, you know, it's not really the UFC model.

[877] It's, it was obvious it was going to be those, you know what I mean, it was going to be those too.

[878] But if anybody could tell the UFC what time it is, it's Connor.

[879] Kabib time.

[880] Yeah.

[881] I mean, if anybody is the guy that can say, hey, this is what I want, I want a fucking tune -up fight.

[882] I want a tough guy He absolutely could And he absolutely wouldn't You know It was like when he lost the Tia's one fight Yeah And backstage He was screaming and shouting At all the tough brass But getting the rematch at 170 As quick as possible I'm in the background going Oh please don't Did you not see that fight He's a terrifying individual Right Let's get a 155 fight And you know Okay maybe you meet him again But he was not letting that go and four months later he fought the exact same guy and that's where he is right now with kabeeb that's all i'm that's all i'm hearing from yeah well listen you could sell it for sure especially with uh the fucking chaos after the fight you know just keep dylan dennis at home yeah he's grounded yeah so with what would you do differently um like i said from it from a strategy point of view, my number one thing would be to be more, to think more offensively, that we definitely had opportunities to land shots, and when Connor land shots, you know, watch the Eddie fight back again.

[883] It doesn't take him a whole lot of shots.

[884] He rarely misses, you know, even if you look at strikes that didn't land, those strikes were for a reason.

[885] They were to see what way he holds his hand, see what he made.

[886] It was like, you know, you still have watching Anderson Silva back in the day, and I thought they have a similar kind of approach.

[887] But this one, we just didn't seem to be landing.

[888] And my own only, when I look back at the training camp, we did spend most of her time with a defensive mindset, and I think that's a mistake.

[889] But don't you think that a big part of it also was that he had to be tired because Khabib is such a mauler?

[890] 100%.

[891] I mean, it had to have some sort of an effect on his ability to land those shots.

[892] Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that did, and that was part of the strategy for one and two.

[893] You know, if we did end up on our backs, was not to put a massive amount of effort into getting up, just play guard and stay safe.

[894] because, you know, the next round starts on defeat and tried to do damage there, but it's still tiring.

[895] You know, Connor gets a hard time about his cardio all the time, but who is Khabibh faced that didn't look like that after two rounds?

[896] Ayahuinta.

[897] I acquit, yeah.

[898] Yeah, I mean, I was super impressed with Al Ayahuanta in that fight, especially considering he came into that fight looking for a three -round fight.

[899] I mean, that was what he was trained for.

[900] Right.

[901] He was trained for a three -round fight, and it changes up, and all of a sudden he's in a five -round fight for the time, title fucking crazy yeah crazy set of circumstances but it almost makes you wonder and this is you could speak to this better than anybody how much how much is too much in regard to training for a fight like this like maybe training for a three round fight is the way to go when you have to fight a five round fight so you're not so fucking beat up by the time you get to the fight if you already know how to fight five rounds you've already done it if you're a guy like connor has just got so much experience in the game it might be that it's like there's a point of diminishing returns in terms of your strength and conditioning and that guys just go too far push too hard and just don't have it when it comes to i mean how many times have you seen a fighter be overtrained when they fight very often definitely you know they've given their best rounds in the gym and it's very difficult as well in those last two weeks because anxiety is starting to grow so you want to train harder and you want to get one more spar in and you want to you know because the fight's coming it's almost like when you're back in school and you're cramming for an exam.

[902] Well the exam's tomorrow I'm going to stay up all night studying right you know and actually got me through college so it works somewhat but in fighting we got to do the opposite we got to have we got to have a solid taper off period and that is hard when you're dealing with a 20 something year old man and he's dealing with what's coming around the corner so but you know that's the trainer's job you know how much Did he taper off for this fight?

[903] Same as usual.

[904] We have about a two -week taper -off period where we start bringing it down.

[905] He did actually spar even after that.

[906] We were all working very hard for this fight in a somewhat limited period of time.

[907] So we didn't taper off quite the way we would normally do, but roughly two weeks.

[908] If you wanted to do a rematch and if the UFC did grant a remit, this is obviously dependent upon how the Nevada State Athletic Commission handles the legal ramifications of him jumping out of the cage attacking Dylan Dennis, the subsequent brawl, the chaos that ensued visas.

[909] I mean you're dealing with a lot of legal shit in this fight that could hold things up.

[910] I mean, they held both guys' purses, correct?

[911] Well, he held Habib's, Connor got his.

[912] Yeah, okay, Connor got his purse.

[913] Paid.

[914] So he gets his purse.

[915] And Khabi, I mean, who the fuck knows what's going to happen with him?

[916] You know, and...

[917] Yeah, I hope they're They're lenient on him.

[918] And not just so we can get a rematch.

[919] I mean, I love watching a invite for his start.

[920] And I can stretch myself to understand his reaction.

[921] Yeah.

[922] I can't stretch myself to understand the other guy's reactions on what they did.

[923] For Habib, he jumped over the cage and he jumps on.

[924] It's not the end of the world.

[925] Who was the guy that jumped in that was wearing red who punched Connor?

[926] Yeah, I'm not sure.

[927] I think that's his boxing coach, but I'm guessing here.

[928] He's a fighter.

[929] He fights for the UFC.

[930] in the red was that not an old he wasn't older no he actually worked with him oh okay you work with there you go who is he i don't know his name you know that he is either islam or rostan yeah yeah it was either islam or rustan yeah i don't think it was either one of those guys like i know islam he was you know he hit dylan and a guy in a suit that i heard is his russian manager he hit dylan either way um there's but actually in the cage when when your mind went in and and hit him from behind And, you know, I can't understand that.

[931] Like I said, for Habib, I didn't think it was, you know, it was, it's just, it's almost.

[932] It's such a foolish thing to do because he'd already won.

[933] Yeah.

[934] I know that Dylan was talking shit and he was angry, but.

[935] He actually didn't say anything because I heard a few people saying that.

[936] Now, I was standing beside Dylan.

[937] I didn't see what he did, but I could hear.

[938] So he didn't say anything.

[939] Now, when I watched the back, I see and he kind of beckoned them on.

[940] Yeah.

[941] You know, just stupid end of fight stuff.

[942] but I didn't think it justified that level of response.

[943] Now, maybe there were something else in the lead -up, you know.

[944] Probably.

[945] Dylan is a bit of a troll online.

[946] So there's probably a bit of a build -up of other stuff.

[947] But, yeah, like I said, it wasn't that big a deal to me, what Habib did.

[948] It just really wasn't.

[949] Well, there's two ways of looking at it in terms of, like, the trash talking.

[950] And one way is that, man, does that sell a fight?

[951] I mean, it sells a fight.

[952] I mean, Conner's one of the best ever at it, if not the best.

[953] to ever had.

[954] Talking shit to opponents, getting them riled up.

[955] I mean, it is the reason why Jose Aldo lost his composure and came charging face first at Connor.

[956] I mean, you've got to think emotions played a big part of that.

[957] It ramps up your stress.

[958] It ramps up the fighters' anxiety, anticipation, and it ramps up the pressure on them to win and to, and this emotion that they're fighting with fucks up their judgment.

[959] It just does, and it's a major tool that Connor, that Connor uses.

[960] and but on the other hand people say well I'd like it when fighters are respectful and this is one of the things that Kabee's saying this this this sport should be about respect you shouldn't be talking about someone's family shouldn't be talking about someone's religion you shouldn't be talking about someone's country but you know on the other hand that's one of the reasons why Connor's so fucking huge it's not just his results it's all the other things that come along with it is the excitement that he generates the shit talking the who the fuck is that guy like that kind of shit that's a big part of who he is it's a part of who he is as this cultural icon i mean it's one of the reasons why people love him i mean they they don't just love his ability inside the octagon which is quite substantial they love the swagger they love when he comes in with rubber arms and and struts around the cage they love all that shit they love all that shit but it's like when is too far and that is the question When is too far?

[961] Yeah.

[962] Yeah, you know, Conner's a real divider.

[963] You know, some people will love it and some people will hate it.

[964] I'm not really that interested in people's opinions on things.

[965] I'm just interested in what is and what is that sells fights.

[966] Yeah.

[967] There's a reason he's the highest -paid guy.

[968] So if that is what is, and that's just natural for him to do as well.

[969] It's not an act.

[970] It's not, you know, when he's sparring, like him and Artem are best of friends.

[971] And every single sparry, you should talk each other.

[972] You're not informed today You know, people listen to that They hate each other And then it's big smiles at the end of it It's just part of the game for him It's part of he enjoys it It's a bit of fun This one was darker You know, as Dana said It definitely was But it's just part of who he is I don't really involve myself in it I try to stay Outside of that And then just focus on the task in hand Does it ever get cringy for you Because you are a very respectful guy Yeah I mean it's absolutely not my personality it's absolutely not my personality but again I don't find my own opinions on things very interesting I'm only interested in what is you know there's a fact that he does this and it's gotten the results he has okay well I guess that's what he does it's not how I am right I mean you look at the two biggest names in combat sports Floyd Mayweather and Connor McGregor and they both do it yeah you know like my favorite fighter back in the day was Fador and there was a man that barely said anything and the purest if you want to say loved him but he was also fighting mostly in japan and it's a different vibe it's a different culture than here yeah um you know you could be that guy and i almost have the two extremes i've gunner nelson who you never hear a blip out of yes and then i have connor who's you know the other end of the scale and um you know you can only be true to yourself but at i look at their you know their followings and their sponsorship deals and their fight purses and stuff and it's obvious which one is is doing better, you know.

[973] If we can agree on the object of prize fighting is to make money and that's it.

[974] The object of martial arts, I think, is very different, but the object of prize fighting and don't ever lose sight of that, as soon as I hear a fighter saying it's for some other reason, I'll try to make them retire as quick as possible because it's not being smart.

[975] You're taking damage for money and keep that in mind no matter what your choices are.

[976] Do you have guys in the gym that you see that sort of mimic Connor?

[977] Of course, of course.

[978] Yeah.

[979] You're You're dealing with teenagers and 20s.

[980] And that's, you know, I look back on myself.

[981] It's a hugely impressionable period over your life.

[982] You're looking, you know, we, young men almost try out different personalities, you know.

[983] And you're such a strong personality in the gym.

[984] Definitely, I can spot the 18 -year -old walking in with the man bun and the suit telling me he's going to be the next year.

[985] I probably would have been the same at 18, you know, it's no different.

[986] But through, again, months and years of conversations, not telling them what to do, but conversations, I sort of say, this is a completely natural thing to do, but start to find your own voice and find your own way.

[987] And if that's who you were, you enjoy that side of it, run with it.

[988] If it's not who you were, even the fans will see it through very quick as well.

[989] You know, the fans can see when someone is genuinely doing something and doing it as an act.

[990] Now, who did you guys bring in for wrestling for this camp?

[991] You know, Sergei, his wrestling coach, since day one.

[992] Yeah, we're not big into like, oh, if you bring this guy in and there's six weeks to go, we're going to learn, you know, it's not the approach.

[993] Not the approach to learn for a camp, but like, say now.

[994] Right.

[995] Like, say if you got, like, here we are, it's October.

[996] If they say, we're looking at July of 2019, substantial amount of time from now, plenty of time to train.

[997] And also, it's a gigantic card.

[998] The Fourth of July weekend.

[999] Right.

[1000] Let's target a rematch for them.

[1001] What would you do differently?

[1002] Who would you bring in in terms of wrestling?

[1003] So when you're dealing with somebody for this long, you also know there's personalities, you know, and it's one of the reasons why George worked so well.

[1004] He kind of fitted into how the team structured.

[1005] So you might bring in someone who's, and I get so many great offers from guys with, you know, really good credentials.

[1006] But what is the use of that, if him and Connor are going to clash.

[1007] No matter which athletes I'm dealing with.

[1008] So actually, to me, even almost more important than anything, is that they can connect and that they have a good working relationship.

[1009] Now, let me state very clearly as well.

[1010] Sergei is a fantastic wrestling coach.

[1011] He comes from generations of wrestling, Moldov.

[1012] He's got the real slick kind of Russian style of wrestling.

[1013] It's not just about power doubles.

[1014] He's very, very slick, and we have some very, very slick wrestlers in the gym.

[1015] So I think we're good there, but guys coming in passing through, and we had Helen Morales there, the female Olympic gold medal, she was the first American female to get a gold medal.

[1016] She did a lesson in a Connor, and it worked out brilliant.

[1017] So things I think that would happen naturally like that.

[1018] I have a busy gym, I'm always getting fighters coming true.

[1019] We're always stealing techniques, and I tell my guys to be technique vampires.

[1020] Get what you can out of everybody that comes true.

[1021] You're never going to have a mindset.

[1022] I don't need to learn from that guy.

[1023] That guy knows something that you don't know.

[1024] So that, but for a structured, okay, let's train with this guy for three months.

[1025] And we're going to, that doesn't really have skill is passed on as far as I can tell from my experience of it.

[1026] It's got to work personality -wise.

[1027] And like I said, is there some secret technique that?

[1028] I remember watching an interview with Dan Henderson and he was saying, when he started doing jiu -suituitous tournaments, he found it so strange.

[1029] that they wouldn't warm up with each other or that they were afraid to see his deep half guard move because in wrestling, I know what you're going to do, you know what I'm going to do, is it's going to come down to who can hit it on the day and he would actually warm up with guys he was going to be competing with.

[1030] Sometimes even because I made the match a little bit better, he had a bit of a vibe going.

[1031] Yeah.

[1032] And I don't think there's any big secret move that Connor could learn that would suddenly reverse on Habib.

[1033] I thought we did quite well.

[1034] He almost took him down at the start.

[1035] You know, we were ready for that low single and we had a little technique.

[1036] for there and he actually sat him down for a moment.

[1037] He didn't drive in, we should have dug the underhook there and went into juditimo's and start passing, but instead he withdrew and he did a great job.

[1038] He followed him back up in the single and then got a finish.

[1039] So I don't think it's necessarily about trying to bring in a four -time gold medalist or whatever and make a big wrestling program that doesn't quite fit in what we do, you know.

[1040] Do you think though that it would help him to bring in high -level wrestlers to have like intense sparring sessions with him so he could feel that kind of pressure that could be put on him because the level of grappling that that guy brings in the octagon it's very difficult to match yeah yeah it's kind of like on the reverse who would you bring in to bring the level of striking that Connor can bring in you know it's right we as trainers we're always looking for that that carbon copy so we can get as close as we can and we did we had some big 180 you know 185ers rushing guys who you were actually begging us not to put anything online because they can't go home but um so we we had guys that were you know we're mimicking but there's a reason why habib is is undefeated and the world champion it's you can't get another guy like him you mimic as much as possible and you do drills and you do scenarios and you know Dylan danis was a great training partner he's up at 200 pounds and he actually comes from wrestling before judithu's got ready good takedowns and he's got a real good eye for stylistically trying to match somebody so you get as close as you can can't ever be the exact guy no so you feel like there's enough room for improvement that if you could go back to the drawing board and give yourself a few months, that you could get him to a point where we could have more success?

[1041] The day I don't think that, well, I would quit, you know?

[1042] Yeah.

[1043] So I'm completely biased, and I absolutely think that if we could get another shot at it.

[1044] And Connor thinks that as well.

[1045] Absolutely.

[1046] What did Connor think after the fight was over?

[1047] Like, what did he say?

[1048] Curst a lot.

[1049] No, he's very down.

[1050] He's, you know, watching back.

[1051] He hates technical mistakes.

[1052] So that right hand, you know, he was very disappointed.

[1053] He got caught with a shot like that.

[1054] But it's actually funny.

[1055] I was just thinking about this.

[1056] You know, that right hand, if you shot it to a boxing coach, he said that's horrible.

[1057] You know, your heads down, you're swinging.

[1058] Again, I don't really care about people's opinions and things.

[1059] I care about its effectiveness.

[1060] That was a damn effective technique.

[1061] You know, it's one of hardest clean shots comments being caught with in his MMA career, never mind.

[1062] But a boxing guy, you know, you bring in a boxing coach for Habib.

[1063] He would train that out of him.

[1064] No, your hands here.

[1065] It goes out straight, it comes back.

[1066] So you've got to be careful about the individual arts.

[1067] You know, you wouldn't, high -level Olympic boxing coach wouldn't teach a beatah.

[1068] But it's very effective.

[1069] Dan Henderson's career was around that technique.

[1070] Yeah, it's just things change, though, when you add in takedowns, right?

[1071] I mean, it's one of the things that we compare you about that.

[1072] You know, it's a great, it's a lovely part of being such a high -level grappler.

[1073] You can go in and swing crazy, you know.

[1074] Connor has to go in and be always worried about the guy coming underneath his shots.

[1075] So, yeah, things change how styles.

[1076] It's what makes the sport so interesting.

[1077] Yeah, we made the comparison between Kevin Randleman when he fought Merkel Krocop, that Krokoop was so worried about the takedown.

[1078] Randeman comes with a big punch and knocks him out.

[1079] Yeah, there was a similar set of circumstances.

[1080] Connor recovered very, very quickly.

[1081] Yeah, he's got a hell of a chin.

[1082] Yes, he does.

[1083] Yeah, he's rarely hit, and that, of course, kept his chin strong because it does diminish, you know.

[1084] Yes.

[1085] He's 15 years sparring almost daily, you know?

[1086] So if he didn't have that style of being elusive, if he was a gym war guy, he wouldn't be able to do what he's able to do.

[1087] How hard does he spar?

[1088] It's a little bit dependent on who we're against.

[1089] If I brought in a sparring partner, it's like a fight.

[1090] It's going to be like a fight.

[1091] He's looking to finish.

[1092] If it's a training partner, teammate, we're probably doing it at a lower level.

[1093] So if you bring in someone, there's no fucking around.

[1094] They're ready.

[1095] They've got to be ready.

[1096] And I tell them, I will say it to them.

[1097] I say two things.

[1098] One, he's going to talk to you.

[1099] Don't take a personal.

[1100] This is how he lives.

[1101] And two, it's going to be a fight.

[1102] So protect yourself.

[1103] Be ready.

[1104] Now, I referee and I'll be quick to step in.

[1105] But we have to do this.

[1106] We have to get a level of training that's going to match the intensity of a contest.

[1107] Right.

[1108] You're going to do that all the time?

[1109] No. You know, that's only at a certain period of, of the training camp and it's only going to be for us it's once every four once every eight days depending on how the spar went and how the body is the more of that we can do the better because it more directly correlates to what we're actually going to do but then you've got to be matched against well if he was a gym war type guy I'd have to pull back his sparring because he's taking too many shots Conor could go training camp rope being hit he's just so elusive in the case so good at judging range and so on so for him he can spar all time you know it's like I think another example that maybe Darren Till he's he's the top dog in the gym so he can spar all day long because he's never accepting damage right but if you're number 10 in the gym you probably shouldn't spar all the time because you're taking the shots so for him for him particularly he loves fighting he loves sparring absolutely his favorite part of training you will do that seven days a week of a let him you know he trains to the other areas but there's always the glint in the eye when it's what's the day sparring oh here we go How do you decide?

[1110] Do you do it, do you have a set schedule?

[1111] Yes.

[1112] Yeah, yeah.

[1113] So we do things in cycles.

[1114] It will vary up for him, but it's roughly on an eight -day cycle that I do with him.

[1115] And day one and day four will be sparring again, a little bit dependent on where the way it is and how the last spar went and how he's feeling.

[1116] But if I can get that out, and that's what I aim for.

[1117] Now, when you train for the Mayweather fight, What, first of all, how much time did you have to prepare for that far?

[1118] Ten weeks to the day.

[1119] That doesn't seem like a lot.

[1120] No. No. I remember just getting the message.

[1121] Do you think that that was calculated on Floyd's part?

[1122] Maybe he's a very smart guy.

[1123] Because it seems like most of his fights are planned way in advance.

[1124] But that one was like, what?

[1125] It's a couple months away.

[1126] Just sort of happened, yeah.

[1127] Yeah, was it August?

[1128] Is that when the fight took place?

[1129] It was August.

[1130] August.

[1131] And so I remember hearing about it and thinking like, wait, wait, August.

[1132] that's fucking really close right like for a mayweather fight you would think six we or six months or something along those lines but i would feel like for floyd is as great as he is and probably the best ever in terms of boxing technique and not being hit i mean he's so elusive still really wouldn't want a guy like connor preparing for a long period of time and really getting acclimated yeah yeah um it was kind of funny how that all came about because when he fought Eddie in November the year before.

[1133] I remember shortly after that we were at a function and I kind of pulled him aside and I shook his hand and I said right you're done all the best enjoy the rest of your life and he was kind of shocked I was saying this but so what else you're going to do you're the two -way champion you've you've got out the other end of this grind this this meat grinder with no damage you you're in a very small percentage and you've you've made plenty of money often enjoy yourself and um And then time went past, a couple of months went past, and then the Mayweather fights started talking.

[1134] And I could understand it because now his grandkids were going to be financially secure.

[1135] So it made sense because it was a big payday.

[1136] It didn't really make sense for any other reason.

[1137] He enjoyed the competition side of it.

[1138] No matter what you're doing with Connor, it's going to be competition.

[1139] I don't care what it is.

[1140] He's going to look, how quick did you do that?

[1141] You're like, I'll just went for a piss.

[1142] Yeah, I'll do it quicker.

[1143] He's just that way.

[1144] So when in Friday start having a bit of a back and forward, yeah okay let's quit the boxing and be the best boxing the world and for me myself you know I was on the outside going okay I understand what you know that makes sense to do nothing else was really making sense at the time it's going to be damaging boxing is a horrendous sport to prepare for and to compete in because we're just looking at one thing really punches to the head you know of course the body shots as well but but it's it's so damaging the only justification I could see for that was you know your grandkids are financially set yeah tremendous tremendous hype behind a tremendous amount of money did you think he could win of course I'm always going to think that way you know that's my mindset let's prepare as best we can it's our options here when he landed that uppercut in the first round what did you think yeah like even when he went out to do that so you know we did the whole training camp and we brought in you probably heard we brought him Paul Amanaji and that was my first time ever seen him against a recognized boxer because in the gym local guys.

[1145] What really happened in those sparring sessions?

[1146] Because what we got to see the clip that was released was Conner lighting Malinaji up.

[1147] But Pauli Malinagi insists that most of the sparring was him dominating.

[1148] That's not what I saw.

[1149] You know, when he came back from, like he did a spar, he went away, it all broke because a picture got leaked and then he, Pauli did a lot of interviews.

[1150] He was on the East Coast working a show.

[1151] So when he came back, he came back, it was coming back to have a fight.

[1152] And it was actually, it was a weird night in the gym because the Fratita brothers come in, Dana come in, there was a few celebrities come in.

[1153] It was a fight, you know, and the referee was there.

[1154] Joe Cortet, he's a great guy.

[1155] And he did 12 hard rounds, and I think there is something being released on Netflix soon, a documentary based around that fight and it will have all the rounds.

[1156] So I guess...

[1157] Really?

[1158] Yeah, I mean, of course we have the rounds.

[1159] We have the 12 rounds.

[1160] and it's as far as I'm aware I just actually did an interview for recently there I think it's a three -part documentary that's going to be on Netflix soon and so people will get to make up their own minds about it but just going back to the fight what did you think though about the sparring when they walked out first and I went to myself I have no idea what's going to happen I've seen in box some amateurs back home and some pros I'm horrendously ignorant to the boxing world I just don't really follow it and he was schooling those guys and I was like yeah but they're not a world champion they're not that elite level so that night when he went into the ring with Paul I was like you know me and owner kind of elbow like what's going to happen here is he just going to get tooled and then we have to scratch your heads and go shit what are we going to do here but he came back after the rounds and me and we're going wait a second it's not magic it's still punching and it's range and there's techniques and so my confidence was growing my confidence was growing I knew no matter what happened it was going to be a good fight it wasn't going to be you could win and just oh god this looks terrible he's missing whatever you shot and he's being made look silly it was a good fight you know it's entertaining I think no one in the crowd was saying that was ridiculous no one was saying that was a waste of money it was an entertaining fight and it's going to be one of those things that I'll be an older man than I am now and I'll be talking about the time we went into the boxing world and fall flight even on the night I was kind of look and scratch me what am I doing here that's Floyd and Mayweather and his dad over there these are guys that you know of all the boxes I always preferred watching Floyd than anyone else because I love defence yeah defense to me is the most intriguing part and him and Tony and those those type of guys and how he worked the Philly Shell and it's beautiful it's so interesting to watch and you're getting on a bit but still able to compete so fantastic because his whole career was defensive base never really took to shots Never was damaged in the gym, never was damage in the fights.

[1161] But yeah, when he was in the ring, and he were working in the corner, in an air corner, I'm just going, what the hell is Connor doing fighting flight now?

[1162] This is just strange.

[1163] Even at the beginning, you know, I'm so used to Bruce Buffer and it was a different guy, and he hit the bell three times.

[1164] I was like, oh, yeah, they do that in the Rocky movies.

[1165] I remember that.

[1166] Ding, ding, ding, ladies and gentlemen.

[1167] It's kind of the beginning of the ceremonial.

[1168] Right.

[1169] And I was like, oh shit, they're actually going to box.

[1170] Right until the end of it was still just head scratching and then fly coming over at the end and giving his little compliment he's got a hell of a shot on him he's tough his nails and it was just it was a great experience I wouldn't do anything different if the Polly Malinaji sparring session which you said was like a fight if it was scored as a fight you think Connor would have won the fight yeah of course I'm going to say yes and then people would say well no everybody who was there in the night had you know as Dane actually Dana knows a lot more about boxing to me than I do and all of those guys were going okay we have a fight in our hands here this is going to be an interesting contest.

[1171] So, yeah, I'm of course going to say, yeah, but I guess people will see the rounds and make up their own mind.

[1172] But it wasn't as one -sided as those clips that were released where it's kind of just dropped.

[1173] Of course, Pauli, he landed his shots as well, of course.

[1174] He's a brilliant boxer.

[1175] For me, as a trainer, it was amazing looking at him.

[1176] He's put on a little bit of weight, and you still have to go 12 rounds because after about round four was going, he's not going to continue here.

[1177] He was breathing very heavy, and he's been hit hard, and he'd been sat down once whether it was a push or a punch you guys could make up your own mind and that but a lot of heavy shots and I was thinking he's going to be out here by six so we had another sparring partner ready and I was like okay just be ready to go because I think this will go about six rounds and then Polly just hit this rhythm and start landing his own shots and it turned out to be a great a great contest because it wasn't a sparrar they were talking to all the time Polly was talking to me he was talking to the cameraman he was almost better than Conrad it was great to watch everybody had a great night and I think they both actually bizarrely enjoyed it's like kind of Conor and Aid it's Batman and the Joker like you know they both need each other but they hate each other but they love each other it's a weird dynamic when you see a contest like that well Polly was campaigning for a fight yeah he was trying to get Conrad to box him yeah I've it's not out of the realms of possibilities really it's absolutely not out of realms of possibilities there's all sorts of crazy rumors going around the the managing team and the fight team and what might happen next It could be boxing, it could be him, it could be Floyd.

[1178] Floyd again.

[1179] All sorts of names are being thrown around.

[1180] Well, one thing that happened in the fight that was undeniable is that Connor started to fade.

[1181] And we've talked about this, the endurance issue.

[1182] Like, what do you think is that issue?

[1183] Well, certainly in that fight you could see, and what I learned about it was just brilliant to watch Floyd, how he managed his energy.

[1184] I think he's one punch in round one and maybe not much.

[1185] more round two he was just so such an amazing strategy and then switching from the usual style to kind of just hands up and walking in and Connor did unload a lot on his forearms very inefficient which is the opposite of what I would describe Connor's fighting style he's efficient very few shots maximum return this was lots of punches and it was one of the few bits of advice I gave him in the corner that was of any use because I'm not a boxing guy was let's pick a shot there's a reason why he's not trying to anything.

[1186] You don't draw anything.

[1187] This is 12 rounds.

[1188] It's almost like there's three parts to a fight.

[1189] There's one to four.

[1190] There's five to eight and then there's nine to 12.

[1191] And Floyd just worked that beautifully.

[1192] And it'd be something that we would definitely do a lot more if we were to ever get another boxing fight.

[1193] It was recognized that there's 12 rounds.

[1194] Pace yourself.

[1195] He was kind of in the MMA mode of just big shots and light the guy up, but Floyd's the best in the world, not being lit up.

[1196] Do you think it's a pacing issue and not an endurance issue or think it's both?

[1197] specifically for the boxing yeah there was pacing and endurance in a new field no clinch work at all we had a few little kind of funny clinch techniques we were going to try out what was the hammer fist of the back of the head well he was aiming for the side of the head it was supposed to be like the day you know we'd play it around with little stretches of the rules and we'd see what Joe Cortez would pull us up on and could we do little you know I'm a Lomachenko fan as well and he comes from wrestling and you see him doing kind of almost looked like arm drags and tie -ups and stuff so we were trying to use that and we just got broke every time we had very little opportunity to kind of even going towards the back and holding the hip and hitting with one hand I couldn't find anything in the written rules that were against that but we were pulled on it straight away so some of the areas where we taught we had to rest and maybe McFloyd use energy that he's unused to clinch we didn't get that it was immediate breaks and that's the sport of boxing that's just how it is so yeah the word of have to be all those all those type of adjustments one of the more fascinating rumors was that there was going to be some sort of a striking match in the octagon with mma gloves that's being talked about it was being talked about is being talked about it is yeah that's been going around as well i talked to dana about that and he said it was horseshit oh okay uh well i don't deal with but you you i'd heard about this i'd heard about who is talking to you about it is you know Speaking with Connor and speaking with man, talk about, like, you can only throw leg kicks.

[1198] But, you know, boxing with it.

[1199] That would be the end.

[1200] Yeah, I mean, that's all it would take.

[1201] Sorry, Floyd.

[1202] I hate to say that.

[1203] The side -on stance is, you know what it's like if you get a leg kick in that way.

[1204] You must face straight on so you can check leg kicks.

[1205] If they allowed leg kicks and only leg kicks, no head kicks, Connor would fuck him up 100%.

[1206] Quickly.

[1207] 100%.

[1208] I think it would be the first kick.

[1209] No one even understands.

[1210] It would be the first leg kick.

[1211] Yeah.

[1212] Now, I will say right away that Connor absolutely doesn't want to do that.

[1213] He wants to fight UFC rules or boxing rules.

[1214] Oh, Christ.

[1215] Zero interest in a hybrid fight.

[1216] Tell him, leg kicks.

[1217] Just that alone.

[1218] A hybrid fight, just leg kicks alone.

[1219] Yeah.

[1220] He would fuck Floyd Mayweather up.

[1221] Doesn't he want to fuck Floyd Mayweather up?

[1222] He does, but within one of the two real sets.

[1223] Oh, my God, just leg kicks.

[1224] Just let him throw leg kicks.

[1225] Just a few.

[1226] I mean, it doesn't matter what fucking.

[1227] stands, Floyd stands in either.

[1228] Inside the leg kicks, outside of the leg kicks, just one of those, it would be like...

[1229] We've a lot of, you know, Ireland has, we have very good boxing history and very good athletes, and we get the odd time and a good boxer will come down for a spar.

[1230] And, you know, these guys can take shots all day long and one leg kick and they've run.

[1231] It's such a pain that they've never felt before.

[1232] You know, like you said, it just, it changes everything very, very quickly.

[1233] It would change Floyd's entire game.

[1234] He has no idea.

[1235] Yeah.

[1236] Do you remember when cool Vince Phillips fought Masato in Japan?

[1237] No. When Vince Phillips was at the top of his game, when he was, you know, a real elite boxer, it was just starting to slide, and he went over and fought Masato and K -1, and Masato just foked his legs up.

[1238] Just fuck those legs up.

[1239] It was horrifying to watch.

[1240] The only one that I remember that went over there and actually, oh, Shannon Cannon.

[1241] Shannon the Canon.

[1242] Shannon Briggs fought Tom Erickson.

[1243] And Tom Erickson cracked him with a couple of leg kicks.

[1244] And Shannon actually talked about it on the podcast.

[1245] He's like, champ, he kicked me with a couple of those leg kicks.

[1246] I was ready to quit, champ.

[1247] He was like, it hurts so bad.

[1248] He goes, but I'm pretending.

[1249] He goes, I'm pretending.

[1250] It ain't nothing.

[1251] He goes, I'm in agony, champ.

[1252] It's just a different pain.

[1253] It's just a stomach.

[1254] You can get whacked in the head all day long, and, you know, most fighters won't even recognize that.

[1255] But the right body shot, you know, you hit that liver, or the right.

[1256] right leg kick and there's just no grit and true it it's stunning for people that have never been kicked before it's stunning to watch they're like what this happens all the time and if you watch like a k1 match or a you know a glory match or a moitai it's just crazy how often they get kicked and they just learn how to absorb it they learn how to check it and eat it and you know just takes time but that would that would be if you could somehow another talk Connor and Floyd into a boxing match with leg kicks.

[1257] Did Floyd actually say that that would be something he would consider?

[1258] It was just one of those.

[1259] While I'm talking to Connor, he regularly throw stuff at me down.

[1260] I'm just like, what the hell are you talking?

[1261] I'm always having weird conversations.

[1262] And this was just one of them where it come up that there's a possibility of this, and they were talking about hybrid rules, and he shot it down straight away.

[1263] You'll fight him obviously, M &A rules would be ideal.

[1264] I think Floyd, he's a very intelligent guy.

[1265] He's not.

[1266] absolutely intelligent guy he's not going to do that i don't even think he would do the leg kick i don't think so either i think he flirts with a lot of this stuff and i'll come over to your world yeah but he's no he's no fool he's a super smart guy i just can't imagine that he would spar with one guy and eat one of those kicks and he would just be like oh fuck this oh thank you yeah fuck all that but it changes the way you're allowed to stand yes i mean he would have to be very light on his front leg he'd have to learn how to condition his shins i mean it's like the whole thing would be different but they have talked about some sort of a rematch in boxing it's like I said it's just one of those things that's thrown out there and then you're a movie role and you hear this and this and that you know Connor has the world at his feet there's so many yeah people want to pull them in so many different ways but he seems to have avoided some of the more obvious Hollywood type traps yeah you know because like ronda rousey got sucked into all of them right she was doing everything she was on all these TV shows and movies and I remember before she lost to Holly home thinking, God, she's getting stretched thin.

[1267] Like, this can't be good.

[1268] This can't be good.

[1269] You know, I was worried about Amanda Nunes.

[1270] Amanda Nunes was the one that I thought had Rhonda's number.

[1271] I'm like, that girl punches so fucking hard.

[1272] And she's an elite ground specialist.

[1273] Like, it wouldn't be a picnic on the ground.

[1274] And Rhonda, you know, takes girls to the ground and submits them.

[1275] But I was like, but you got to get through the fire that's Amanda Nunes's his hands.

[1276] And I remember seeing her and all these other things and these television shows and these movie deals.

[1277] I was like, those things will rob you.

[1278] They rob you.

[1279] They give you, they give you something.

[1280] They give you some money.

[1281] They give you some fame.

[1282] You walk that red carpet.

[1283] You look wonderful.

[1284] Smile, Rhonda.

[1285] Look over here.

[1286] Smile, Connor.

[1287] But they steal things from you.

[1288] They steal your ability to actually fight.

[1289] They steal your ability to have all of your resources.

[1290] And Connor's done an amazing job of avoiding that.

[1291] For the most part, I mean, he's proper 12 whiskey coming out and that photo shoots, you know, on and um but no movies he's no no the movies the movies are the ones that really fucking rob you yeah yeah you actually had a small part in a movie when he was a when he was just starting off 18 19 it's a little Irish movie it's funny seen his little head in it um he played a prisoner um but yeah uh yeah he's because he's obsessed with fighting he loves fighting you know it's that's beautiful you could see in the lead up to this he didn't want to do much much, you know, media and press and they came to an agreement on what we'd be done.

[1292] He'd rather do none of it and have no buildup.

[1293] Connor's ideal world, I think, would be the fight in every UFC, every Saturday night.

[1294] That would be his ideal.

[1295] Just live near the UFC and fight Saturday night and then have a fun night Sunday and then get ready for the next fight.

[1296] He loves fighting.

[1297] Like, what else is he doing?

[1298] I'd scratch my head about this.

[1299] If I had that money, I think I couldn't engage with a bit, no thank you.

[1300] I'm good.

[1301] And he wants to get right back in.

[1302] Or fight Floyd?

[1303] Definitely the Habeb one.

[1304] That's the top of the list.

[1305] If you had to guess what's next, what would you think?

[1306] You know, I won't pretend to understand the business side of things.

[1307] Him and Audi and Paradigm, they do all of that and, you know, the fans and the officials decide and who gets the next shot.

[1308] I only deal with what, you know, what's going to be put in front to me. I think it will be a rematch.

[1309] I think it will be that.

[1310] Now, I'll be getting torn apart on Twitter, he doesn't there, this, and this guy's, I'm only saying what I think, is it going to be someone else?

[1311] Will it be, you know, is Tony going to, I don't really know.

[1312] But that's what I see him talking about, so that's how my mind is.

[1313] What do you think will be different in terms of the way he approaches it in terms of, like, trash talking and all that other stuff?

[1314] He's never going to not be him.

[1315] That's the side of his personality, you know, and, you know, it's a dividing line.

[1316] You know, my parents are not mad about it.

[1317] kids in my gym love it you know it's just one of those it's just one of those things Connor's never not going to do that that's that's like in Dublin you know where where where he's from there's always that guy in the class that was just sharp wit you know had the quick reply and from the moment I met him he was just that guy just like you can't make a tiny mistake around me you make you feel stupid very quick you know and uh being on the end of it yeah um but I remember going to I remember that guy in school as well and it just happens that he has a you know lethal left pan on top of that and then he has the look and he's just an unusual package that it all came together so i i don't you know the build up for ds too he didn't stop it wasn't like he was like oh well i hope i don't lose this time and you know he went in the same kind of mindset he had and i've no doubt he would go into that fight as fully prepared as we can and he'd be 100 % sure in his mind he's going to destroy him in around because that's how he always thinks if there's another fight that would sell and it would be huge it would be that it would be ds 3rd Oh, yeah.

[1318] That could be, especially if Diaz gets past Poyer.

[1319] Yes.

[1320] If he, and he, shit, even if he doesn't, I mean, just that fight alone, I mean, there's the history between those two guys.

[1321] I mean, that would be...

[1322] And it's so appealing stylistically as well, the fight, you know?

[1323] Like, I'm a grappler heart.

[1324] I love grappling, but I also understand that a juditsu tournament will put people to sleep, you know.

[1325] Even if you're into Jujitsu, it's hard to watch a Jujitsu tournament.

[1326] Yes.

[1327] But anybody can see a punch hitting someone in the head, them falling down.

[1328] That's, you know, that's exciting.

[1329] And him and Diaz is such a great personality matchup.

[1330] It's such a great skill clash.

[1331] You know, if I was to design somebody that's going to bring the best ever corner, you'd want someone that, you know, can hit back and take a big shot and put up at the trash.

[1332] It's a beautiful fight.

[1333] I always, I would love to see that really much.

[1334] Yeah, the thing about Diaz when they first fought was that he didn't give a fuck about trash talk.

[1335] It didn't bother him at all.

[1336] It was normal.

[1337] It was like, oh, okay, we're doing this?

[1338] Yeah, it was brilliant.

[1339] It was amazing.

[1340] It was what everybody wanted to see at the time.

[1341] It's because Conner was so good at talking shit and people would get so flustered, but then Diaz didn't give a fuck.

[1342] And you can tell he didn't give a fuck.

[1343] It was just so normal for him.

[1344] And it was like, wow, trash talk doesn't work on Diaz.

[1345] Yeah.

[1346] It really doesn't work.

[1347] Yeah, like I'd known about some of his trainer partners, and he's like Connor, like in the gym, he's trash talking to his brother.

[1348] He's trash talking to whoever he's sparring.

[1349] it's because it's fun you know and it's always just you know when we have Connor having a big spar you know the gym will be packed down everybody wants to come down and see him and you see you know he's talking to the guy the hallway through whether it's a close friend like Artham or whether it's someone we brought in that he doesn't know it's not going to change him you know I'll be I certainly don't spar him but he'll roll and he'll trash talk me when I'm trying to do my jeez shut up with you but it's you know it's just it's his personality so what time line or do you think we're looking at in terms of his return if you had a guess um it was funny i was looking at uh march 16th um is you know patty's day is march 17th that's a sunday march 16th oh wow imagine like msg on the the saturday night before patty's day oh my god that'd be insane um i wonder if it's not booked yeah yeah i was actually going to go on msg's booked pretty far in advance i'd imagine so i'd imagine so and they're doing one in november to do two at MSG in a year.

[1350] I think you could do Conorinda every weekend and it's going to be...

[1351] Just him and Diaz every weekend and it's going to be packed out.

[1352] You could do the TD Garden in Boston too.

[1353] Yeah, yeah, we've had good times there.

[1354] Oh, fucking Irish in Boston.

[1355] More Irish in Boston than there's in Ireland.

[1356] And you could do, of course, Vegas anytime.

[1357] Yeah, Vegas anytime.

[1358] Just I saw that date, but you know, like you said, just the big summer card as well.

[1359] You have the fight week to July card.

[1360] I think probably next summer is probably realistic we have to obviously see what punishment if he gets to you know I hope it's not a long ban I do too I mean everybody was so amped up after the fact and I you know I was like oh man this could be terrible but Monday morning I'm like eh what the fuck happened really nobody died nobody even got cut a couple people got punched in a place where people get punched you know what I mean And it's like, yeah.

[1361] No, I have the other hat in that.

[1362] I am, I have a big commercial gym.

[1363] I coach kids.

[1364] I'm president of the amateur MMA association back home.

[1365] I deal with politicians all the time.

[1366] And this is the exact thing that they're arguing with me, you know, when I'm wearing a suit on a Wednesday meeting with the minister for sport.

[1367] And so I'm looking at it going to go, great.

[1368] That's what's going to be brought up at my next meeting when I'm trying to get governing body status for my, for my life's work, my art, my sport.

[1369] Right.

[1370] And I'm trying to tell, plus 60 year olds that this is legitimate and they're showing me this and you're you know so for that it was terrible you know there's nowhere the way around it like I said if it was it if Habib had had done that isolated I didn't think it was that big a deal didn't think it was that big a deal he didn't really hit Dylan the bit of pushing and pulling no who cares your man coming up and hitting it was absolutely dangerous you know he's a train fighter he bare knuckles and he's you know hitting a guy who's tired who's done hard rounds who's taking some headshots and you know it went for the illegal shot you know there's a reason why you're not allowed it to the stem of the brain there and there has to be something that there has to be ramifications for that it can't be just like ah they're hitting each other and you can't allow that to happen again no no and an example has to be made so that other people in in the height of it go wait a second it's not just a slap on the wrist something substantial happens if you do something criminal you know it's assault yeah it literally is and I really worry about him in terms of him having a visa and being able to obtain a visa and fight in America again and I believe he was supposed to be fighting next month do we find out who that guy was you did right well I know what starts with a Z one of them was the guy that Artem was going to fight in three weeks time who is it okay let me read it yeah that's the guy that's the guy and he was actually bragging about it on social media yeah I'd I'd say Zubaria Tokugulov.

[1371] A lot of consonants.

[1372] And Islam Makachev face UFC acts, as Connor McGregor, ring attackers revealed.

[1373] Yeah, Zubaria, I don't know how to say his name, I'm sorry.

[1374] I think he's the one that was wearing red that jumped the cage and punch Connor bare knuckle.

[1375] Islam Makachia, he's the one that hopped over the, that that happened right in front of me. What, yeah.

[1376] I didn't think that was him in the red.

[1377] I thought that was him in the black that him and Connor had a little exchange.

[1378] And then, again, the other guy hit him from behind, but I thought that was...

[1379] I could be wrong.

[1380] I'm sure we're getting a million texts in there to correct us.

[1381] Not sure.

[1382] Yeah.

[1383] Either way.

[1384] Either way.

[1385] That can't happen again.

[1386] That stuff.

[1387] You know, I hope it all gets worked out.

[1388] Well, thank you, gentlemen.

[1389] Thanks.

[1390] Thanks for being here.

[1391] George, thank you for illuminating the very elusive art of weight cutting.

[1392] It was an excellent conversation.

[1393] You're all dipped out now, huh?

[1394] Hey, babe.

[1395] I appreciate you.

[1396] I appreciate your cognitive ability by about 200%.

[1397] Does it?

[1398] Dip increases your cognitive ability by 200%.

[1399] Why are all those truck drivers so stupid?

[1400] You know?

[1401] Truck drivers listen right now.

[1402] Fuck you, Roug.

[1403] Just a joke, folks.

[1404] Just a joke.

[1405] That's what I do.

[1406] You talk about my people.

[1407] There's my people.

[1408] I'll say 80 % of stats are made up on the spot.

[1409] That's what I do.

[1410] I'm all about making shit up.

[1411] And thank you, John.

[1412] Really appreciate you coming in here.

[1413] Thanks for having us.

[1414] It was a lot of fun.

[1415] And hopefully we'll do it again under brighter times.

[1416] It's just sport.

[1417] It is a lot.

[1418] You got a great attitude, man. I really appreciate that.

[1419] Thank you.

[1420] Thank you, everybody.