158 - Burn Day

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only Martyrs in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] This is all I could manage, and it was because it's going to make my life easier on the road.

[17] Yeah, but now I fucking hate the way my hair looks.

[18] And I wish I hadn't done it.

[19] Of course.

[20] But that, you know why?

[21] Because it's permanent and you're trapped in it.

[22] But it looks super cute.

[23] Thank you.

[24] It's an interesting also counter thing to your, like when you have that cute dress on today, but you have that hair, it's cool.

[25] It's doing the job you wanted it to do.

[26] Okay.

[27] But I'm sure it's like getting a perm or like, what the fuck?

[28] Yeah.

[29] It doesn't like Vince keeps obviously not divorcing you.

[30] Vince keeps obviously not saying something But you know what I mean Yes but that's also the thing of guys are scared Because if he knows you don't like it a little bit He's afraid to walk that line and go off into the forest of I said the one thing and now she's going crazy Or like it too much and they're like well what do you mean you like it like this?

[31] There's a lot of ways to it.

[32] He just keeps saying it's a different look God bless him It's a different look Oh, my no. God bless them.

[33] Is that recorded?

[34] Hello.

[35] And welcome to my favorite murder.

[36] You guys, we're back in reality again.

[37] Back to life.

[38] This is reality, right?

[39] Back to reality.

[40] Back to...

[41] I feel like this office could be a like portal.

[42] We could be dead.

[43] Let's hope we're not.

[44] Because we have so much do -to -to tomorrow morning.

[45] I felt like a business.

[46] woman this week, which kind of is fun.

[47] I feel like that's what when I was a kid, I was like, Barbie's a business woman.

[48] Yeah.

[49] You know, and now I'm Barbie with my stupid Brazilian blowout that I hate.

[50] Describe your hair to people.

[51] To me, it's just so basic bitch.

[52] It's like somewhere between basic fucking bitch and like a heavy metal rocker dude.

[53] Remember when like the heavy metal rockers would have like, like, um, what's his name?

[54] Lita Ford.

[55] Yeah, but I'm talking about a dude.

[56] Oh.

[57] Yeah, I guess Slade a fort.

[58] Or like, Guns and Roses.

[59] Oh, Axel Rose.

[60] Yeah.

[61] It's just so stick straight that I feel weird.

[62] And I look more like Liza Minnelli than I ever have.

[63] I feel like, it's just a lot of face for me. I think I like, I need a balloon of hair around my face to, to frame it.

[64] And instead, this is so flat that it's just like, here's your face.

[65] Yeah.

[66] That's, I empathize.

[67] I have cut my bangs in a way where people had no choice to stare at my big, fat fucking face.

[68] It's a terrible feeling to feel exposed to feel like you've painted yourself into a style corner.

[69] It does not look like that.

[70] Thank you.

[71] It's super cute.

[72] It's also very different for you.

[73] Yes.

[74] Because you're usually doing like a half finger wave bob number with a this and a that.

[75] Yeah, a little bit of backcom.

[76] And every time I look over at you, it looks like you're about to go like, round, round with an electric guitar.

[77] And I fucking love it because then you're also wearing like a little cocktail dress.

[78] So it's a fun, I think if you would fold in a combat boot with those, that cocktail dress number, you could really get a my 20s look going that would be very satisfying.

[79] How about if I paint a fucking lightning bolt across my face?

[80] Okay.

[81] Are you with me?

[82] Just separate from the hair?

[83] Yeah.

[84] How about you start doing this?

[85] How about I'd get a tattoo of the lightning bolt?

[86] Please, let's get into phase tats, quickly.

[87] please immediately i'm going to get a little mustache right over my actual mustache what if you got you know how finger mustaches are really popular for a while where you have a little secret what if you got a finger tattooed over where your mustache something weird fat finger on your upper lip to be like yeah yeah remember the mid 2000 right that becomes trendy oh let's let's start that let's start it let's start it let's pop it off um what do you do you have anything Yeah.

[88] Okay, great.

[89] I have pressing information from weeks ago, of course.

[90] I would say this is my headline.

[91] I said the Netflix series, Dairy Girls, takes place in Belfast.

[92] Okay.

[93] The whole reason it's called Dairy Girls is because it takes place in London Dairy, which as many very patient Irish and Northern Irish murdering knows have let me know, aren't really even that close to each other.

[94] Great.

[95] How are you supposed to know that?

[96] without looking at a map.

[97] Look, I've looked at these maps.

[98] I've even been to this part of Ireland.

[99] But I think Northern Ireland, I say Belfast and it's over.

[100] I didn't even really realize there were other cities to talk about.

[101] Even though I'd watched the series, saw this little sign that said, Welcome to London Derry or whatever the hell it is.

[102] There's a bunch of identifiers.

[103] Like, you know why it's called Dairy Girls.

[104] There's a contingency.

[105] I think that it is after you.

[106] Yes.

[107] Coming after you.

[108] Okay.

[109] And from Ireland.

[110] and we love it as well as every every new mexico right of your own head even that's where they're getting me the worst that's the that's a rough one there's very true so apologize i mean apologies to you guys go apologize not me to uh the great people over at dairy girls which is if you haven't seen that series i watched it because some someone recommended it to me on twitter loved it so much it's so funny.

[111] It's, I just adore it.

[112] And then it ends beautifully and I hear there's going to be a second season.

[113] Yay.

[114] So now we'll all know exactly where it's coming from and be so much more.

[115] We'll know where we are on the map.

[116] Yes.

[117] It'll be great.

[118] Well, I'll take a pin and we'll pin it on the map.

[119] I'm going to have Stephen drop a pin into Londonderry.

[120] You know what we should do with this wall of the office, this gray, it's kind of depressing.

[121] It looks like an asylum wall.

[122] Yes.

[123] Have a map of all the places we've made mistakes?

[124] Sure.

[125] Or are going to make mistakes.

[126] Yes, that's right.

[127] It'll be the solar system on one side.

[128] Speaking of Netflix, so we got a lot of like asks like, did you guys watch the Ted Bundy documentary?

[129] Oh, right, right.

[130] So I was like, I better watch the Ted Bundy documentary.

[131] I watched two episodes and I was like, why am I so angry and not enjoying this?

[132] And I usually, I'm interested in Ted Bundy shit.

[133] And I realize it's because I have to hear his fucking voice and that's the point of the show is to hear him talk to a reporter.

[134] Right.

[135] And I fucking hate him so much.

[136] Yeah.

[137] And I don't want, he's already, he's said what he's going to say by murdering a bunch of women.

[138] That was his side of the story.

[139] That's right.

[140] Why are we, he's a fucking megalomaniac.

[141] He's a fucking known liar.

[142] And, and it's not diabolical.

[143] He's a little pussy who got fucking intimidated by women.

[144] And, wanted to be famous and the only way he could do it was by by killing women because he's so into like why are we listening to him and his side of the story i'll tell you my theory is because same with me i don't want to watch it because i don't like watching killers talk about their craft and all that bullshit that elevates it's the actor inside the actor studios for fucking mirrors exactly right and but i think that was that thing at the time they went oh my god yeah we don't know what this is we have to get this out we have to get it he is too right Well, it's that thing of people fall for this so much.

[145] If you're good -looking, that means you're good.

[146] It's the most basic mistake human beings make.

[147] We all do it.

[148] You give credit to good -looking people.

[149] You think they're good people.

[150] You think tall men are great leaders and you'll do whatever they say.

[151] That means you're kind.

[152] Yes.

[153] It means that you have no agenda and you're just being cool.

[154] There's all these ways that we want things to be that simple.

[155] So I understand recording Ted Bundy to go, look at this monster in this shell of the he almost looks like a British lit professor he's so like patches on the elbows and look I just want to talk about this stupid fucking smirk I mean yeah but well just for me that's it's for other people to look at I don't want to hear him because he's not a truthful person you're not going to get anything from it aside from being massively creeped out and what I like is Billy Jensen kind of in the wake of that and the trailer coming out for the Zach Ephron Ted Bundy movie.

[156] Billy Johnson is fucking putting his mouth where his money goes.

[157] He is created a thread of the Ted Bundy victims talking about each one of them individually.

[158] I retweeted it on the My Favorite Murder Twitter feed and you can find it.

[159] I'm sure most people follow Billy Johnson.

[160] He also, I just saw this.

[161] He also just posted that Bundy confessed to murdering eight other women in all these different cities.

[162] Maybe, he said, maybe it's bullshit.

[163] But to the medical examiners in those states, if you have female remains from the error that you don't have funds to process, direct message me, and I will help pay for the extraction and familial search to give them back their names.

[164] Yes.

[165] Billy.

[166] We love you.

[167] Billy, tell us how to help you.

[168] Look, listen, you're going to have a podcast on our network, and we love you.

[169] Was that an Easter egg teaser?

[170] Easter egg teaser.

[171] It's not even a T, it's like the whole, whole thing.

[172] But so, and I also wanted to say that I'm really looking forward to a friend of the podcast, Celine Beth Caldron.

[173] She's doing a documentary called Theodore where she just interviewed, they interview people who experienced him and survived the survivors and all this shit, which I'm really, I like that part.

[174] It's interesting to me. Yes.

[175] Because that's what, that's where you're going to get a real story.

[176] Right.

[177] Is the person, and rule style, the person who sat next to him, we went to dinner the other night.

[178] And my friend, uh, Denise had just read a stranger beside me and she's so mad at Anne Rule.

[179] She's so mad at Anne Rule for falling for Ted Bundy's act.

[180] But I was like, but that's how good he went.

[181] That's how evil it is and whatever.

[182] That's why it's so amazing I think is because he was able to fool and fucking rule.

[183] And Rule an ex -police woman, a fucking investigator, like the whole thing.

[184] But yes, the documentary you're talking about that was the girl that was in the front row of our show that time, right?

[185] We picked her and she came on stage, remember?

[186] Yes.

[187] Yes.

[188] What show is that?

[189] I think it was in Texas, if I'm not, I'm not mistaken.

[190] Or Portland.

[191] Or Salt Lake.

[192] Could have been Salt Lake.

[193] But the people who lived through it, the people who can sit there and go, here's what it looked like when this lunatic was coming through my window.

[194] Those are the only people I want to hear from.

[195] Or here's, even the psychologist, and this, not to fucking totally disparage this documentary, because it's actually really good and interesting, but whenever Ted starts talking, I get angry.

[196] pissed off.

[197] Like I wrote three pages of fucking scratch of me being.

[198] Listen, I had some fucking Rose.

[199] I'll admit it.

[200] But yeah, I wrote all this crazy insane rambling.

[201] Um, go follow Theodore documentary on Instagram or just look for the Theodore documentary.

[202] I know there's a, um, it's Theodore the documentary and I know there's a trailer for it and they're still making it.

[203] And I'm really excited for it.

[204] I can't wait.

[205] Yeah.

[206] I can't wait for that to come out.

[207] I'm going to do a weird thing real quick.

[208] I keep hearing my fucking overall.

[209] I'm going to undo them.

[210] So the one at home is like, what the fuck is that noise?

[211] Why are they wearing a small bell?

[212] Oh, I do have another thing.

[213] So we had the great privilege of doing a live show specifically for TNT's new limited series, I Am the Night, directed by Patty Jenkins.

[214] Which right now we're not being paid to say.

[215] That's right.

[216] This is just talking about it because we lived it.

[217] directed by Patty Jenkins of Wonder Woman starring Chris Pine and also executive produced by Chris Pine hooray for Chris Pine but when during that live show where we were at some point in like five years we should release the unedited version of that live show absolutely not no fucking way we're burning it to the grass Stephen's going to release it I think time capsule wise it could be a good one I lost my personally at the top of that show I was so stressed out but but I mean it turned out so fun and amazing but it was a little bit crazy so at one point I said I was talking about what was happening around the case and I referred to something and I called it espionage yeah I almost got away with it and then George was like did you mean to say I'm sorry no no no it was the wrong word I want you to do that well that's all I ever do so I was I think probably was so excited that you did it yes have at But I couldn't until somebody on Twitter named at Silly Celia, C -I -L -L -Y -C -I -L -I -A, she tweeted me the day after it came out or the day of it coming out and said, is the word you were looking for is subterfuge?

[218] And I was like, yes, yes, it was.

[219] That's amazing.

[220] I would have never fucking guessed that.

[221] What a great word.

[222] Let's all use that in our daily lives.

[223] Can you tell me the meaning of it?

[224] subterfuge just means like trickery and secrecy and kind of like you don't know what's going on because someone's being submarine subterfuge subterfuge I think so someone else also wrote in and said were you looking for the word intrigue which probably also would have fit that's a good one intro why don't we use those words more we will now I'm intrigued by the subterfuge of the fact that we don't use these fucking words did nice yes you did amazing and quickly and quickly because I'm so smart well so thank you thank you all for uh thank you for that and also for all the people who came it was raining so hard in l .A. that night it was kind of like cool romantic -y because we were like gonna watch a fucking thing about the black dahlia which is the show's about it sounds like we are now integrating ads into the podcast we are not swear to god we're not this is the difficulty of when you like something like this because it's what we really did but it's also a commercial.

[225] So, you know, look, this is...

[226] Listen.

[227] This is where we are.

[228] This, and this was brought to you by...

[229] Jefferson Mays was the actor we interviewed at the end of that live show.

[230] Who was the greatest?

[231] A joy.

[232] I mean, just the most interesting person to talk to.

[233] A delight.

[234] Support him and all he does.

[235] He's also in the Battle of Buster Scruggs.

[236] Oh, right.

[237] On Netflix.

[238] I haven't seen it anyway.

[239] Um, what else?

[240] How was your day?

[241] I spent most of it with you in meetings I know In an uncomfortable dress We got to the dentist last night even Whoa, at nighttime Yeah You can do that No, Jorgy, you can't Was I tricked?

[242] Is it a home dentist office?

[243] Basement, yeah No!

[244] It's an attic It's in the attic's gentle office It's right up It's in the Soden house Yeah Where Dr. Hodel used to live That's right Well that's good, you got something taken care of Yeah Let's have a new corner and we call it errands.

[245] Taking care of business.

[246] I bought paper towels.

[247] I'm proud of you.

[248] That actually is hard.

[249] Because you can't.

[250] You don't want to carry it.

[251] No, totally.

[252] Can I tell you what?

[253] I didn't even think about telling you this.

[254] So I met.

[255] I quit the podcast.

[256] I put all our money in my name.

[257] And I'm going to Aruba, Jamaica.

[258] So the other day, Sunday, I met up with my dad real quick for lunch.

[259] And he got to talking about the books.

[260] I gave him a copy of our book because he's special.

[261] Pre -order.

[262] You can't.

[263] You can pre -order it.

[264] You don't have it.

[265] Gave him a copy.

[266] He says, I have some notes.

[267] Oh, accuracy notes or just overall?

[268] Both.

[269] Okay.

[270] And it was really, I'm going to save the piece of paper he wrote on forever because it's so Marty it's notes on on like page this you wrote that and it was also clarifying some shit about my life that I didn't like that I wrote about that I didn't know that he in the book he was like because I write about my parents a lot it was crazy yeah was it a helpful thing was it like good to hear it yeah oh my god yeah I had this fucking notion for years that was false wow yeah I think that happens a lot yeah so hard stark that my dad had notes for my fucking book I mean I have to send I swear to you It's too late If I send my dad Well yeah exactly But if I send my dad My book He's gonna go Can I get it on the Kindle?

[271] Like my Is as supportive As my dad is I can feel it That's kind of how we are Kilgaravs It's like you have to feel what we're doing You can't really listen to what we're saying It's like an ESP thing Yes And having watched It's a Well kind of It's like yes It's like you have to be connected on a different level.

[272] Because there's a couple things going on because of the shame issues.

[273] We can't really do things directly.

[274] It's always a weird sidebar.

[275] So it's like, if I'm really proud of you, I need to insult your sweater.

[276] It's that kind of shit I grew up with where I'm like, oh, thank you.

[277] Hold on.

[278] Exactly.

[279] So I think I just realized as we were talking about this, like I think if I handed my dad a book that had my name on the front of it, he would lose it.

[280] But that would be, he would have to have that reaction of like, oh, I can't.

[281] He walked them to the other room and start shopping things.

[282] And then he would later on when I wasn't there, he would tell other people how proud he was of me. And then my sister would have to loop back third hand because God forbid.

[283] You're dad's really proud of you.

[284] God forbid.

[285] Yeah.

[286] She's mad about it.

[287] So there's a little bit of a, there's a little tone to it.

[288] You know, dad's real proud of you.

[289] Dad's talking about your thing again.

[290] It's like, I'm a school teacher, but dad's real proud of this book you barfed out.

[291] I'm the person that's doing, that's keeping America's children together for 11 dollars a day.

[292] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[293] Thanks, so much.

[294] Thanks, Karen.

[295] Thanks.

[296] Thanks for you and your friend.

[297] My dad did text me. Listen, I'm, this just sounds like I'm bragging now because my dad is a sensitive person.

[298] You know that, but he texts, uh, I'm crying.

[299] He cried during the book multiple times and he said, I think Ray Bradbury would be proud of you.

[300] And then I barfed.

[301] Oh, right onto the book.

[302] On my phone.

[303] But he texted it and there was probably an emoji.

[304] That's fine.

[305] I was saying to you, my therapist the other day this this um you know as much as like things feel crazy whatever we talk about this maybe too much but but that also it feels very vulnerable and so there's this kind of like tension that i feel like is getting much better now that we have like you know people in place now that we've um we've uh cloned step multiple times exactly now that we've hired a staff we put a step in here and a stephen over there steven's no longer the full staff And Vince does this.

[306] Yeah.

[307] We have more support.

[308] Yes.

[309] But that feeling of vulnerability is something I worked my entire life to not experience.

[310] I'm a stand -up comic.

[311] I do it by myself.

[312] I don't rely on other people.

[313] You were really good at that in the beginning.

[314] When all I was like, love me and trust me and let's cry together.

[315] I'm your best friend now.

[316] I mean, what an experience.

[317] But it's just like then you just have to go too bad.

[318] Yeah, yeah.

[319] Too bad.

[320] That's the, that's the exchange.

[321] We get this fun, cool experience, and we have to be the most vulnerable.

[322] It's stripped down.

[323] It fucking works better when you're vulnerable.

[324] It's better.

[325] It sucks.

[326] It sucks.

[327] It's hard.

[328] It's, um, yeah, it's like kind of flexing your bicep all day long is what it feels like to me, where I'm like, uh, it makes me want to freak out and I just can't.

[329] Once in a while, you can.

[330] All right.

[331] Well, yeah, go, go.

[332] We have a merch store at my favoritemerder .com.

[333] You can buy shirts and lots of cool.

[334] shit there's a fan cult at there as well with extra special things you can join and we're building out the extra special things that the fan cult gets all the time so um you know don't if you join now just know that the future holds many wonderful surprises like for example since we have we've been paid to mention it twice the t -n -t i'm the night live show it was only available to the fan cult right so shit like that where it's like well we have a show we have a show We have to fill it.

[335] It's like tickets aren't, tickets are free.

[336] Let's tell the fan cult about it.

[337] So it's stuff like that.

[338] Yeah.

[339] Insider stuff.

[340] Perks.

[341] Listen.

[342] Perks.

[343] Keep giving you shit.

[344] And you keep appreciating it.

[345] God down.

[346] It's very vulnerable making this exchange of love.

[347] That's right.

[348] Hey, this is exciting.

[349] An all new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[350] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[351] But there's a mystery.

[352] hanging over everyone.

[353] Who killed Saz?

[354] And were they really after Charles?

[355] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[356] This season, murder hits close to home.

[357] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[358] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[359] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[360] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[361] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Meryl Streep, Zach Alfenakis, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, Dayline, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[362] Only Martyrs in the Building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[363] Goodbye.

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[384] Goodbye.

[385] Do we?

[386] Whoa.

[387] No. Steven's not ready.

[388] I stumbled.

[389] Do we count the I am the night order or the San Diego show?

[390] Because if we go by Eye in the Night, then Georgia, you would be first.

[391] Yes, I want to be first.

[392] Do it.

[393] Great.

[394] Do it.

[395] We go by that.

[396] I was going to say no. And then you said that.

[397] And I'm like, yes.

[398] I'm going to go first because I want to, there's so much fucking information in here.

[399] And I need to get out of my brain or I won't listen to you.

[400] Okay.

[401] Great.

[402] I understand that feeling.

[403] Also, I just cracked a can of wine.

[404] Let's do this before I get shit -faced.

[405] Boom.

[406] Get ready.

[407] I have a coozy over this can of wine.

[408] A We Watch wrestling.

[409] coozy.

[410] Yeah.

[411] So for all you know this could be a can of vodka because you can't see the label.

[412] That's right.

[413] And hey, Smirnoff, why aren't there cans of vodka out there for me?

[414] I mean a can of vodka.

[415] Let's make that.

[416] Great.

[417] Merchandising.

[418] Okay.

[419] So, fuck.

[420] I first heard about this case recently on an episode of one of my favorite shows, Cold Justice.

[421] Yes.

[422] So fucking good.

[423] What's cold about it?

[424] The cases and the weather because they're usually, you know, wearing coats.

[425] it's all back east it's like a double entendre so this is it's cold cases essentially cold cases and the um see that blow your nose you want a tissue I don't have one I have a used one I have a use one okay so cold justice is it's this fucking badass prosecutor named Kelly Siegler she goes to town small towns or big towns or whatever that have cold cases and they have a case that need help with she starts it from the very beginning and they try to figure out who fucking cold -case that shit.

[426] Yeah.

[427] So she does it for this one.

[428] I've never fucking heard of it even though there's something about it that you will know.

[429] So I'm going to tell you this and then I'm going to get into it.

[430] So this is the murder of Kathy Page.

[431] But let me start with this and you'll fucking understand.

[432] Okay.

[433] So about nearly 30 years ago, this dude is a writer from the UK.

[434] He is on a greyhound road trip across the U .S. to, like, see the sites, smell of things, you know?

[435] Sure.

[436] Taste stuff.

[437] While traveling through this town called Viter, Texas, which is about 100 miles from Houston, he spots three billboards off the I -10.

[438] Uh -huh.

[439] The three of them read, one reads, Viter police botched up the case.

[440] Second one reads, waiting for a confession.

[441] The third says this could happen to you.

[442] Mm -hmm.

[443] And so that writer and then director, of course, is Martin McDonough, who made last year three billboards outside of Ebbing, Missouri.

[444] He said he always, he couldn't remember where it was that he saw it.

[445] He didn't, he assumed it was a woman because it, you know, broke his heart and seemed like a mom kind of thing to do.

[446] Right.

[447] He was incorrect, but it always stuck with him and then he kind of made the characters from there.

[448] Okay.

[449] So basically this, that was his imagined version.

[450] Yeah.

[451] And you're about to give us the real.

[452] That's fucking right.

[453] Oh, shit, girl.

[454] This is three billboards outside of Viter, Texas.

[455] So here's the real story.

[456] Very early in the morning, about 4 .30 in the morning, on May 14th, 1991, 34 -year -old Kathy Page was found in her car, in the driver's seat, and the car is stuck in a ditch.

[457] It appears to be a car accident.

[458] It's about 100 miles, no, sorry, 100 yards from her house that she lives at with her now a strange husband and two young daughters.

[459] I think they're like nine and 12 or so in Viter, Texas.

[460] Her body is founded approximately 5 a .m. It says a paper boy, but I think it's just like a newspaper delivery service.

[461] So it's not as sad as sounds.

[462] It is.

[463] Okay.

[464] When investigators start to look more closely, though, they get there immediately and they're like, this doesn't a fucking look right.

[465] This is not a car accident.

[466] They are like, this is staged.

[467] So basically, she is in the driver's seat of her car sitting.

[468] stick straight up, but it's face down in a fucking nose down in a ditch.

[469] So her feet are planted on the ground.

[470] Her head is tilted back.

[471] The soda that's in the car has not spilled.

[472] Her purse hasn't even toppled over.

[473] So it's clearly fucking staged.

[474] The car is barely damaged.

[475] And they also find a blade of grass on the bottom of her jeans showing that at some point she had been in that grass that was in the ditch.

[476] Oh, right.

[477] You know what I mean?

[478] And then the autopsy determines that she had been strangled and she also had a broken nose and a black eye.

[479] So something, someone staged this car accident.

[480] She also didn't have a seatbelt on and she was sitting up like that.

[481] Oh.

[482] Uh -uh.

[483] So, detective.

[484] So that must have been so eerie to find that, yeah.

[485] So detective sergeant Mosley, he becomes suspicious immediately.

[486] This is not fucking right.

[487] He walks the hundred yards up to her front door.

[488] And he says that.

[489] when her estranged husband, Steve, opens the door, he looks over at the carport and then looks down the road where this is all happening and says that his wife's not home and he, they told him that she was dead, that she had been strangled.

[490] And he fucking goes into a fit, starts getting upset.

[491] He throws himself on the couch, crying and all this shit.

[492] But then the detective is like, when I saw his face, he wasn't crying.

[493] Which I want to know, do you think it's possible to be crying without tears?

[494] Is that just impossible?

[495] It's like one of those things where it's like, you know, now we know that your reaction just might be shock or whatever.

[496] What do we call it?

[497] How we don't judge people nowadays.

[498] Oh, yes.

[499] There's no grief expectation of like what your, there's no right way to be told how your wife's been strangle to death.

[500] Exactly.

[501] So I wonder, this is probably fucking medical.

[502] We could ask a doctor.

[503] Tears.

[504] Like, do they always kind of?

[505] when you're crying.

[506] Now, I am a doctor, and I should have told you this about three years ago.

[507] Oh, shit.

[508] Everything I say medically is pretty dead on.

[509] But I would say this.

[510] As a person who, because of the way my eyes are, light blue, any emotion that I feel passes through my face.

[511] Like, I can't, I can't, if I get misty about, if I watch a video, my eyes will turn red.

[512] And even though I'm like, fine, And if I have the feeling, it gets shown.

[513] I'm the opposite.

[514] Where you're having it and nothing is...

[515] And I have to be like, I would cry right now if I weren't on a ton of pharmaceuticals.

[516] Well, so I think there are people who are on natural pharmaceuticals, i .e. being sociopaths, where they know what it looks like when someone's upset.

[517] Right.

[518] And they know to make those noises and sounds.

[519] But I think if you're...

[520] Especially when they murdered their wife.

[521] Yes.

[522] Yes, but I think if you are in shock, you don't try to fake cry.

[523] Right.

[524] You sit there and don't have a reaction.

[525] You don't fake anything.

[526] You don't fake anything.

[527] I think those people that cry, but there's no tears, which you see a lot these days, is just mimicry.

[528] And people knowing this is what I'm supposed to do.

[529] Now, are there people that go, I know what I'm supposed to do?

[530] And if I don't do that, I know these cops are going to think I'm guilty.

[531] Because I'm in shock and I have no feelings yet.

[532] I mean, that you should, I would hope to think that if somebody, that was as close to you as your wife would be that if you were told that they were murdered, you would either be in shock and none of that planning would be going through your head.

[533] You wouldn't be sitting there going, what does this look like to this person and all that shit?

[534] You would just be having the reaction.

[535] I think that like blacking out seems like a normal.

[536] Like we were just reading because someone left in my seat back pocket that thank you very much, where where the fuck that was.

[537] Yes.

[538] Maybe it was D .L. Hugley, who we saw on the plane to Albuquerque recently.

[539] That's right.

[540] That's very exciting.

[541] This, the coolest motherfucker I've ever seen in my life.

[542] He was the coolest motherfucker and so many people walked by his seat and said something to him.

[543] It was the cutest, coolest thing where you're like, oh, yeah, he's a stand -up comic that's been busting his ass for years and years.

[544] He's gotten shows.

[545] He's got, he's been in movies.

[546] He's been in cool TV shows.

[547] Like, it was, it was really cool.

[548] And then I just, I just, I don't want to out him to TSA, but he, I noticed him first because he had this really cool hat on like hipster cool hat.

[549] and in it was tucked a single fucking strike anywhere match and I was like A that's the cool like that's just so cool it's so good B anytime someone needs a fucking light I bet you pull that motherfucker out of line it three you got through TSA with a fucking strike anywhere match in your hat so but that's when the government was shut down so I think you know we're lucky we're lucky it was just a strike anywhere match that's right that's right and it's like you I mean listen yeah look do whatever you want um where were we oh yeah I was going to say so The People magazine where the fucking daughter of BTK is like, here's how it happened for me. She's just read a book.

[550] Her thing was like she just started, when she was told that her dad was a serial killer and BTK, she just started, just blacked out.

[551] Yes.

[552] And fainted.

[553] I bet.

[554] Yeah, that makes sense to me. Yeah, because how do you take that in in a, your reality would, would just crack.

[555] Everything.

[556] And then you wouldn't even know where to like, you wouldn't know how to sit down.

[557] That's normal for someone who loses a spouse unexpectedly.

[558] And that they're actually connected to.

[559] But if you're not connected to.

[560] and you need to put on a show.

[561] Yes.

[562] I think that happens a lot.

[563] Okay.

[564] So we got through that.

[565] I don't know.

[566] So the investigator, did I got upset.

[567] No tears, but he was, quote, weeping.

[568] And we know a lot of the stuff because there is a trial later, although it's not what you think it is.

[569] Okay.

[570] So, Kathy, let's go back.

[571] Hey, guess what?

[572] Kathy and Steve, they had been married for 13 years.

[573] They had the two daughters, as I said.

[574] And Steve then tells authorities that recently Kathy had told him that she no longer wanted be married to him and they were planning on separating.

[575] He said she wanted to work things out, but of course her sister, her friends are like she was not happy for a long time.

[576] Steve slept on the couch or she slept in her daughter's room.

[577] She had recently got like a job, a real job out of the home for the first time.

[578] Anne was going back to school.

[579] And so she was 21.

[580] She got married and she's now 34 and she's like finding herself and has friends at work.

[581] And she's fucking gorgeous too, by the way, that doesn't hurt.

[582] And Steve was, according to Kathy's sister, that they wanting to stay together was bullshit.

[583] Their marriage was over.

[584] Kathy was starting to move on.

[585] So two nights before Kathy was found, Steve had moved into a condo on his own or apartment on his own.

[586] Okay.

[587] So, but the night of her death, Kathy couldn't find a babysitter.

[588] She's calling around.

[589] Her sisters couldn't do it.

[590] So she called Steve and was like, can you come over and watch the girls?

[591] And she told Steve that she was meeting her friend.

[592] And Charlotte in Beaumont, which was like 10 minutes away, for drinks.

[593] And she left around 1115 that night.

[594] But the autopsy shows that Kathy had had sex that night.

[595] And then the authorities learned shortly before her death she had sex.

[596] And then authorities learned that she had not gone to meet Charlotte, in fact.

[597] She, Charlotte admitted that she had agreed to cover for Kathy by saying that Charlotte don't pick up the phone.

[598] I'm telling Steve I'm going out with you.

[599] So if you answer the phone, he'll know I'm not out with you.

[600] Right.

[601] And the reason is because Kathy was actually going to meet a new dude that she was dating, who was staying at a hotel in Beaumont.

[602] So around 2 a .m. Charlotte, her friend is fucking fast to sleep.

[603] Her phone rings.

[604] She picks it up.

[605] She's like, just, let's remember too.

[606] It's like from a time of not having cell phones.

[607] Your phone is blaring in the whole night.

[608] This poor woman, like, in cold justice, she talks and she fucking obviously blames herself for this whole thing.

[609] Oh, no. It's so sad.

[610] Answers it, immediately here's a hang -up and is like, oh, fuck.

[611] I just outed my friend.

[612] It's later revealed that on the piece of paper or on the phone book where Charlotte's phone number is, right underneath that was another phone number, and that was the hotel's phone number.

[613] So he probably calls Charlotte, she picks up, she's not fucking out with Charlotte, calls the next number, it's a hotel, knows what's going on.

[614] Okay.

[615] Yeah.

[616] So, um, okay.

[617] So the autopsy report, again, shows that Kathy had had sex that night.

[618] And they, and this is obvious, but it kind of blew my mind that they can tell that whoever she had sex with had had a vasectomy.

[619] Oh.

[620] Which is obvious because there's no sperm.

[621] Right.

[622] But like, I'm also like, wow.

[623] Yes.

[624] Yeah, that's fascinating.

[625] Isn't it?

[626] Um, her boyfriend that she was seeing hadn't had one and he passed a polygraph with flying colors.

[627] It's definitely not him.

[628] Like, we know it's not him.

[629] So that means she had sex with another guy.

[630] Guess what?

[631] Steve had a mastectomy a few months earlier.

[632] So here's the thing about this case and about Viter, is that everyone on either side who thinks Steve did it or thinks he didn't agrees that the cops, the investigators, fucked this up royally.

[633] And I'll give you proof of that because the crime scene with the car and Kathy in it and they take all these crime scene photos later.

[634] find out there's no film in the camera what there's no film in the fucking camera there's not a single crime scene photo of this case okay but no no buts there's you can't fix this how like even even if you're even if you're their first week it's like a joke I make a lot when are this is there film in there right and also a camera like the way those I would assume the camera I'm thinking of the kind like that they used to use or whatever that would have like film film in it makes a noise it makes a noise it's also like it's sometimes you can see the yellow through the little window a hundred percent and they're definitely lighter when there's no film in them like a slightly interested photographer would be like this is it right and this goes to the other big thing which is there's just conspiracy theory i'm into the conspiracy theory a hundred percent already that someone would just forget the fucking film right but there's other things too like so they go up to his door right like right after they find her It's like between 4 .30 and 5 in the morning, they don't bring him or the two sleeping daughters in for questioning.

[635] They don't secure the scene.

[636] They don't ask if they, I think they ask if they can come in.

[637] And he says no, because he doesn't, he says that other friends of mine have had evidence planted by these cops around here.

[638] So they don't, they don't get a search warrant.

[639] They don't try to get a search warrant.

[640] They don't photograph his face or hands to see if he has scratches.

[641] I mean, they don't do anything.

[642] Yeah.

[643] It's, it's, it's, even if there is conspiracy theories that are true, they also were fucking incompetent.

[644] Well, I also think it's that thing.

[645] Or they botched this, they botched this investigation.

[646] Because if it's a small town in Texas, they've had no experience with like a murder and a murder cover up and all those things where it's like, oh, no, go down to Steve.

[647] Yeah, yeah.

[648] That's that problem, that small town problem was like, oh, I know that guy.

[649] It's fine.

[650] It's not him.

[651] They both admitted later in this trial that they were acquaintances of his.

[652] Yeah.

[653] So they knew him, which is part of the conspiracy theory.

[654] But, you know, there's some...

[655] Or just the theory.

[656] Yeah.

[657] I mean...

[658] When there's no conspiracy, you just have theory left.

[659] Yeah.

[660] That's right.

[661] So then they bring Stephen like two days later and question him.

[662] And he's like, oh, yeah, actually Kathy and I had, he volunteers it.

[663] They don't even ask him.

[664] Kathy and I had had sex before she went out that night, which gives him a reason why his semen would be there.

[665] Right.

[666] He says that he, she was getting ready to go out.

[667] again they had split he had moved out two nights before so how much do you want to fuck your ex who like you just kicked out of the house right I mean I've broken up with people and I had who I kicked out and I hadn't had one sex with them for like a year right right yes so he sees her in a towel coming out of the shower he says he tries to have sex with her she agrees they fuck in the living room on the rug that's his story okay where are the children what I guess they're in bed already because it was late.

[668] Okay.

[669] I mean, look, we all also know, like, you can think of a thousand times or you're just like, oh, I never fuck that person again and then suddenly are.

[670] So, I mean, you can rationalize so many things.

[671] She's going to see her new hot boyfriend, too, in a hotel room.

[672] Right.

[673] No, I know.

[674] And maybe she's also like, you know, he'll be suspicious unless I do this is a thing, too.

[675] I mean, there's, yes, there's a million ways to, to, there's a million possibilities.

[676] Right.

[677] But, okay.

[678] So when Kathy is found in the car, she doesn't have on makeup or jewelry.

[679] It had all been removed.

[680] But the dude she was meeting said she was in full makeup and had like an outfit and jewelry on when he saw her.

[681] So that suggested that she had been home after visiting the dude.

[682] She left the hotel room around 2 .30 in the morning.

[683] It suggests that she went home, took off or did her nighttime routine.

[684] I was listening to Southern Fried Crime.

[685] And she talks, she says this really interesting thing that I totally caught on to, which is like, you know, in every lie, there's some truth.

[686] Yeah.

[687] Well, Kathy's habit was to come home, take off her makeup, her jewelry, get in the shop, put up her hair, and get in the shower.

[688] So Steve's saying he saw her in a towel after a shower could be true.

[689] It's just later.

[690] Yeah.

[691] He approaches her for sex.

[692] He fucking knows she was just at a hotel because he called the number and is blaming her for cheating on him, essentially.

[693] Yes.

[694] It's just probably pissed in general.

[695] And so the other thing is that.

[696] That blood is found, blood stains are found on her underwear and skin, but not on her outer clothing, suggesting she wasn't wearing clothes when the blood happened.

[697] So they said Kathy Page was not killed in her vehicle.

[698] She was killed in another location, cleaned up, redressed, and placed back in her vehicle after the vehicle had been rolled down the ditch.

[699] So they think he rolled the vehicle down the ditch, carried her body back in, probably put her down in the grass, which is how the grass got on her jeans, etc. et cetera and fucking um in cold justice they redo this they because they have no photos to look at so they reenact the whole thing of how it would go uh is that crazy so also i i wonder if a small town would even have a staff police photographer right no they would is it like there's the camera get the camera yeah someone go get the camera so that that could be a part but still it just doesn't yeah it doesn't seem right if you know enough to take pictures of a crime scene if you know that much.

[700] However, I could see some 19 year old new recruit that like take the photos and he doesn't know Jack's shit and just does that.

[701] And also at the flash is going off, you're like, oh, it's not happening.

[702] Totally.

[703] Totally.

[704] Um, so, so two days after her body is found, it's publicly announced that Steve was the prime suspect.

[705] Steve fucking obviously, this guy, man, he's a piece of work.

[706] And he, there's an interview with him on unsolved mysteries and you're just like, oh, you're referring to yourself in the third person.

[707] And all you do is say how this, how her death has badly affected you and your career and you're, like, no, he's a creep.

[708] Yeah.

[709] That's always like the seven red flags.

[710] Yes.

[711] Is that kind of like, this murder has impacted my life really negatively.

[712] These billboards that her dad put up have made, you know, it's like, which is probably true.

[713] But yeah, he's a creep.

[714] So he claims he's innocent.

[715] He says a proof, part of the proof that he can show that he's innocent is that after Kathy was murdered, he started receiving phone calls and was threatened.

[716] that the same thing would happen to him if he, the same thing would happen to him, threatening him.

[717] He claims that it was, he, he says that everyone knows around town that it was, the murderer was actually a member of a prominent Italian family in Beaumont.

[718] And they're part of the Beaumont mafia.

[719] Oh.

[720] Did you know that Beaumont has a mafia?

[721] Is that Sopranos season six?

[722] I think, I feel like I'm just getting to that season right now.

[723] I think it's a spinoff of Sopranos.

[724] I mean, it's possible.

[725] No, it's not.

[726] It's like, not.

[727] It's not a thing.

[728] It's like, that's the thing in Texas where if one Italian shows up, everyone's like, gather around everybody.

[729] We've got to get rid of this.

[730] That's right.

[731] Well, yeah.

[732] Yeah.

[733] And in Southern Fried Crime, she's like, I tried to Google it.

[734] And even this story doesn't come up when you Google a Beaumont Mafia because it's so fucking random.

[735] Yeah.

[736] That also sounds like something that Beaumont High School made up to call their football team or something, you know what I mean?

[737] Where it's like, we're the Beaumont Mafia and we're going to kick your ass on, The Goths, the goths in a trench coat, guys.

[738] Steve's like, they're responsible for death and the police are framing me. Okay, so here's another couple of reasons why we think he did it.

[739] So it's obviously Kathy's family, her big family, against Steve's big family, and they contradict everything the other one said.

[740] So in the very beginning, they didn't think Steve had done it yet.

[741] They weren't suspicious of him.

[742] So the minute that the family finds out about her, the parents find out about, her death, he says that it's, uh, she broke her neck and it maybe was a suicide.

[743] He already knew that she had been murdered and he doesn't tell them.

[744] He also suggests that she was on cocaine.

[745] She's not.

[746] Oh, no. So he's fucking weird and saying some weird shit.

[747] And then also they noticed that there's a square of carpet cut out in the living room, which he offers to police is where that's the same place where they had had sex that night.

[748] Remember where they bowing in the fucking living room?

[749] Yes, but, and why?

[750] Who cut it out?

[751] who cut it out and why and also says that not only did we fuck there, but there was blood, Kathy's blood on it because she liked to shave her legs in the living room.

[752] So, okay.

[753] Yes.

[754] Somebody, at this point, if I was at the police station, I would open the door.

[755] I'd be like, dude, fucking knock it off.

[756] Knock it off.

[757] This is not.

[758] Go to jail.

[759] Go, just go get in jail.

[760] I, you can't find a woman in America who shaves her legs in the motherfucking living room.

[761] Or, even if she does, have you ever bled enough on the car?

[762] Like, you don't, you don't.

[763] Oh, was she dry shaving?

[764] What?

[765] What?

[766] You know when you cut your leg and you just spurt blood all over the place?

[767] And you just kind of stand there.

[768] But the reason he says he got rid of the rug is because that he was carrying some fucking grease from fucking cooking fish.

[769] Fucking, whoa, whoa, who trips.

[770] Ran over to the spot where he had sex with his wife.

[771] Spilled it there.

[772] I mean, there's just, pick one reason, and he gave them all.

[773] It was the Bermuda Triangle of their carpet.

[774] That's right.

[775] And so he got rid of it.

[776] He also never would let the cops in.

[777] He burns that fucking piece of carpet.

[778] He burns everything that he alleged, he allegedly said he tried to clean it.

[779] And her family said that they saw his family trying to clean that spot too.

[780] Good, God.

[781] And they're all, no, no, that didn't happen.

[782] Also, any time you're entering into a burn area, you're in dangerous waters because usually the innocent don't need to go burn stuff in the backyard.

[783] Absolutely.

[784] Although you guys, you and some of the people taught me, I'm from Orange County, which is suburbia, that burning trash in a backyard is a normal thing.

[785] Very much so.

[786] But you can only do it on a burn day.

[787] Yeah, I didn't know that.

[788] So please call your comptroller and find out when the burnings are allowed.

[789] Listen, my favorite murder, if there's anything we're against, it's unlawful burning of trash.

[790] Civics.

[791] Our key.

[792] Everyone.

[793] We're running for mayor.

[794] of your city when we learned to pronounce it that's right so the other thing that was fucking creepy and weird is that all of Kathy's watches have disappeared all of them so and that didn't happen until after it was discovered that she hadn't been wearing any jewelry that that night when she was found she had come home and taken off all her jewelry Steve was probably like I don't know which fucking watch she was wearing let's put them all out of here and Kathy's sister says she, like, right after the murder, saw Steve give his creepy weird lawyer friend, which they talked to in Cold Justice, a manila envelope.

[795] He passes it off to him.

[796] It was bulky and it made a metallic sound.

[797] And Steve said that there was candy in it.

[798] So whatever jewelry she's wearing that night, he probably put new manila envelope, gave it to his fucking creepy -ass lawyer friend.

[799] He's better call Saul -style lawyer.

[800] Exactly.

[801] He's Joe DeRose's character, the fucking...

[802] The vet that gives people, does surgery on people that's right uh also yeah this guy is is seems like he's not only only lies all the time but is terrible at it yeah can i tell you the worst thing he did i was going to save it but like when i saw him cold there's a video of in cold justice i'm sure there's a video that stephen can stay up till three in the morning fine i'm kidding she would leave up because you know that's like what it's like nine o 'clock right now it's so flippant and it's like stephen's reaction We're like the worst college class he's ever had to, like, cram for every Wednesday night.

[803] Stephen, we should let you know.

[804] We're working on a new website where this stuff exists so you don't have to make it.

[805] It's true.

[806] We are working on artificial intelligence, Stephen, where you won't even have to talk to us anymore.

[807] Listen, you're a brain in Elvis's head.

[808] Just think about it.

[809] Stephen, why do you fight us helping you by making you do more work all the time?

[810] Here's the video.

[811] And it is the one of the most?

[812] Here's the video Stephen's going to shoot for you.

[813] He's going to reenact it tonight.

[814] I'm going to need a reenactment of this.

[815] It takes place in the daytime.

[816] But look, Stephen, figure it out.

[817] We'll do it.

[818] Night shoot.

[819] Yeah, lights.

[820] Okay.

[821] So, Kathy's family started noticing that at her gravestone, flowers were strewn.

[822] Someone was fucking around with all the shit that they were leaving on their lovely daughter and sister's gravestone.

[823] Mm -mm.

[824] So they hire a fucking private detective.

[825] he goes and hides in the fucking bushes or whatever videotaping and here comes Steve and he punts the flowers on her gravestone so angrily and hard I had to pause it I was it freaked you out it's it's an angry fucking person who's angry that she was fucking someone that night and and also who's so psychotic that her being dead isn't enough Not enough.

[826] It's like he still can't be like, yeah, it's crazy.

[827] He's, he, they have video of it.

[828] So he claims it's because, you know, he was mad at her family or they were putting plastic flowers on it and he didn't like it.

[829] Sure.

[830] But then they also show him scratching some shit into the fucking gravestone.

[831] He gets down on his, he's fucking scratches.

[832] Like, it's insane.

[833] Yeah.

[834] So, I just, I mean, it's so troubling.

[835] So.

[836] Well, and also just the consistent lying.

[837] It's when people just constantly lie and lie to your face.

[838] do one thing and then are like, I'm not doing that.

[839] Yeah, I didn't, I never told that person, like, the person's there and they're like, I swear he told me that.

[840] Yeah.

[841] I'm not the liar.

[842] Right.

[843] But you can't, if you say, I'm not the liar, you sound like the liar.

[844] You're such a liar.

[845] But I'm not, I'm not.

[846] But I'm not the liar.

[847] I swear.

[848] It's that thing of like, if there was a clone of you and that looked exactly like you and they were like, I'm the real Georgia.

[849] Yes.

[850] You'd seem like the fake Georgia because you'd be freaking the fuck out.

[851] Yep.

[852] In my mind, listen.

[853] But then you know what I would do.

[854] Here's how you'd know, I'm the, I'm not the clown.

[855] I know how.

[856] Say it.

[857] You say, I don't give a shit.

[858] Is that right?

[859] No. I mean, that's not what I was going to say, but it's exactly right, right?

[860] Fine.

[861] She can be me at.

[862] I don't even care.

[863] I'm going to go, I don't even fucking care.

[864] I was going to say, if you show me like a, you know, a duck being friends with a goat, you'll see my eyes go red and then you'll know that that's me. All right.

[865] I'm going to do both.

[866] Next, if that ever happens, I'm going to know to do both.

[867] It's so, it's so much.

[868] better though I don't care she can talk to the clone she'll do it better let her have it talk to the clone I don't give a shit okay so about the conspiracy shit Kathy's family thinks there's a conspiracy with the police and the district attorney that they've been covering for Steve and they'd let him get away with murder it's knowledge it's common knowledge apparently that Steve's parents are close with the chief of police in but but in Viter but at the same time it like doesn't really explain it completely.

[869] Another theory that I heard from Southern Fried Chicken, thank you.

[870] Southern fried crime?

[871] Uh -huh.

[872] Yeah.

[873] Is that the dude that she, her boyfriend that she was looking up with might have actually been a prominent citizen from the town and in order to not, because we don't know his name, in order to not, you know, get it publicized, they just kind of shove the whole case under the rug.

[874] Right.

[875] No fucking film.

[876] They think that no film in the camera was conspiracy as you do.

[877] And it also took, the police three years to get to convince the district attorney to issue a search warrant for the home what yes three years okay well then that is a can even even in the yes it's a conspiracy simply because there's the what is what is it called it's the due diligence or like you have to do things in a timely manner totally is that just court cases or like it seems to me investigating things yeah it's like all of us you can't just not do your job when there's a a woman has been killed and children have been had their mother taken away.

[878] Right.

[879] That's yes.

[880] All of it.

[881] That's disgusting.

[882] And I hate to fucking spoil.

[883] I spoil her at you at the end of fucking cold justice.

[884] Kathy Siegler is a fucking monster.

[885] Like she, I would not fuck with her.

[886] She's amazing.

[887] And even she can't fucking get them to get an arrest warrant for him.

[888] And she gets so much information that he against him.

[889] That it she oh okay you got to see it I have two more pages and I'm like okay okay so when this happens it takes three years at the search warrant so Kathy's father James Fulton is like I can't fucking deal with you people anymore he owns some land by the I -10 and he's like watch me bitch yeah he puts up all these billboards previous versions included quote and this is huge and you can see it online I believe my daughter was raped while she was being strangled to death Viter police botched up the case and also one that said this could happen to you I think I already said that another declared this is Orange County it's their Texas Orange County not line city of Viter here you get by with brutally murdering a woman the current sign put up in like 2012 or 2014 includes a picture of both Steve and Kathy and it says Steve Page brutally murdered his wife in 1991.

[890] Viter PD does not want to solve this case.

[891] I believe they took a bribe.

[892] The attorney general should investigate.

[893] Signed James Bolton, her father.

[894] Holy shit.

[895] Like, this guy's not fucking around.

[896] And some people are like not into these signs at all.

[897] And obviously Steve took the daughters, moved out of town pretty quickly.

[898] But then they kind of grew up after that as orphans because he shacked up with a married woman and sent them to his sister.

[899] They had to end up living with his grandparents.

[900] parents.

[901] I mean, it's really sad.

[902] Yeah.

[903] But in 2000, Kathy's family sued Steve in civil court for wrongful death.

[904] The civil jury found that there was a preponderance of evidence that Steve killed his wife.

[905] Wow.

[906] So they, that quote, found Steve Page killed Kathy Page.

[907] And Steve was found financially liable for Kathy's death and the verdict was upheld on appeal, which is big.

[908] He was ordered to pay $200 ,000 to her family.

[909] Wow.

[910] He was also convicted and fined.

[911] and given probation for the desecration of her grave.

[912] Yeah.

[913] So he's now 61.

[914] He lives in Texas.

[915] He's yet to be charged criminally for her murder.

[916] His daughters were sent to live with family.

[917] They became estranged from him.

[918] And sadly, the younger daughter, I don't want to say their names, but you can find it online.

[919] She died of a prescription drug overdose in 2011 at the age of 27.

[920] Oh, that's terrible.

[921] I mean, it's case remains open.

[922] and the father has spent more than $200 ,000 himself on billboards since the early 90s on his own land.

[923] He's now 86.

[924] Kathy's mother, Dorothy, died in 2012 without ever having a closure on this.

[925] Kathy's father says, quote, this is my priority until my death to try and get something done.

[926] It's not over with yet.

[927] I'm fixing to do a whole lot more than what I've already done.

[928] and the surviving sister who has a blog about this she apparently she wrote about it she hated the billboards and she said quote to me this billboard is not about my mother it is about two stubborn selfish men with too much guilt to carry and that is the true story of three billboards outside of Ebbing Missouri wow so the daughter basically feels like the billboards aren't that that's just it's more about their fight as opposed to finding who did this.

[929] Finding who did it.

[930] Yeah.

[931] So I wanted to end on his quote because it's like, yeah, go get him.

[932] But the daughter is the most innocent victim here and it's not doing anything for her.

[933] Well, and also we know his point of view because we're getting, the billboards say it.

[934] He's taken that action, but she's the one that is directly impacted and her point of view is as important.

[935] Yeah.

[936] And it is I mean, what do you do, though?

[937] It's like what a terrible position where it feels like the only recourse that you have is putting up signs on your land.

[938] Totally.

[939] That says this hasn't gotten taken care of.

[940] Well, at the end of this school justice episode, you're just like, yeah, like, that's all there is to do because no one is fucking listening and no one will do anything about this.

[941] Right.

[942] I mean, they brought the case to the district attorney and he refused to, uh, to take it on was it the same guy from when it happened like don't know oh sorry all right I don't remember wow that's amazing yeah bananas right yes so good well mine um mine is one that I consider doing when we were in San Diego um but it's so awful um that I didn't want to do it for a live show because it's it's just terrible I mean obviously everything we talk about is terrible but this is um it's not only you know incredibly terrible but i remember this this is one of those uh in like baseline on tv on the news crimes that nobody could believe like when it happened people talked about it and freaked out about it and it was just in the air and it happened when i was 14 so i have a very strong memory of it when your mind is grasping onto these fucked up things Right.

[943] And it was the San Ysidro McDonald's mass shooting.

[944] Oh, man. Yeah.

[945] Oh, man. So there's a documentary called 77 Minutes that is all about it and about the survivors experience.

[946] There's a lot of survivors that speak in it and stuff.

[947] And so if you want to know more, this mostly, most of the information I have is like straight up Wikipedia, but watch that documentary.

[948] If you want to know, get the real inside scoop because there are survivors that were inside and that speak about it and it's it's also one of those things there was a time in this country you know where this never happened and people had no idea even how to respond they didn't know what it was I mean it's so sad now that you think that there are people in the generation below us I mean barely I'm so young yeah that think that that public shootings and is a normal thing when really it's really in the past for me like 10 years right you know when columbine was this fucking insane thing that happened and never ever happened as far as we knew and now it's like the norm exactly and it's we shouldn't we shouldn't let it be normal i feel like you know people say that a lot like on social media that don't normalize this and don't and i always want to say back it's not that it's we are this country's in crisis and there's so much terrible stuff happening every day you can't be reacting to everything all the time you go crazy yeah and so like we don't have you see the next thing in 10 minutes it's not like you have three days of news coverage to to absorb it exactly and sometimes sometimes the next thing in 10 minutes is another shooting right i think that's that thing like you heard about there's there's the guy that walked into the bank and shot five women execution style um and that as you're processing that then there's an an This fucking couple that killed all the cops in Houston.

[949] That's right.

[950] Five policemen.

[951] It's insane.

[952] Or dead.

[953] Then, like, immediately you'll hear about that day where, you know, then 15 people were murdered on the south side of Chicago and no one ever talks about those.

[954] And then people are like, don't talk about it because it makes the killer want the notoriety.

[955] Yes.

[956] And so then you're making it.

[957] Oh, God.

[958] It's just the, it's insanity.

[959] It's insanity.

[960] It's insanity.

[961] And we need gun control in this country.

[962] Yeah.

[963] And we've needed it since the 80s.

[964] Just some rules.

[965] We need some fucking background check.

[966] The same kind of background check you'd need if you got a fucking abortion or if you got a fucking driver's license.

[967] Yeah.

[968] Basic shit.

[969] Just some basics.

[970] But, you know, that's more of a political gridlock.

[971] Well, no, no, no. I just, I just mean it like if it were, I think change is coming because I think the children who are being directly affected by this are taking action in ways that we aren't.

[972] it's not a we I've never had to do a shooting drill at school so there there are people that are being affected by it who are young and angry who aren't going to just go oh that's terrible because it's happening to them amazing and those people combined with the people who are in um underserved communities yes where gun violence is like a de rigour and who are like we're just being murdered out here and no one's helping us I think it's like the wave of that coming together yeah um The people who are trying to live their lives.

[973] Yeah.

[974] It's, yeah.

[975] So, okay.

[976] So let's just, let's just go all the way down to the, to the, to bad town.

[977] All right.

[978] James Hubertie was born in Canton, Ohio on October 11, 1942.

[979] He had polio when he was three years old.

[980] He had difficulty walking for the rest of his life.

[981] In his early, in the early 50s, his dad moved them to a Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, Amish country.

[982] So the mother, when that happened, she was like, I'm not moving there.

[983] So she left the family to go preach for a Southern Baptist organization, which, of course, affected James terribly, and he becomes withdrawn.

[984] He gets married in 1965 to a woman named Etna.

[985] They have two daughters.

[986] He becomes a welder in his hometown, Canton, Ohio.

[987] They settle down there, but there's lots of strife in the house.

[988] domestic violence they uh etna and james don't get a divorce ever though but they but it's pretty bad then james gets into a motorcycle accident where he has a permanent arm injury and his arm twitches uncontrollably so uh he can't he can no longer be a welder um yeah so he loses his job he becomes a security guard for a little while the family and this is like the darkest they relocate to tijuana mexico so obviously think are going badly yeah but they come back and settle in the san yesterro neighborhood is a darrow neighborhood of uh near san diego he gets a job as a security guard but then he loses that job as a security guard he is um depressed over that but he also is a gun nut so there are stories his daughters had friends that would come over to the house and they said there would be guns just laying out on the kitchen table that he was often playing with a switchblade there was just a lot of like violent overt violent behavior going on all the time and and then on top of that so on July 17th 1984 James tells his wife atna that he thinks he has mental problems that he thinks he needs to talk to somebody and you have to think of it in the in 1984 that there was a huge social stigma Like, even admitting it, I'm sure to your wife was a huge deal.

[989] And they're from the Midwest, which is like bootstraps, fucking central.

[990] Yeah, nobody needs help.

[991] Don't, how dare you need help.

[992] Yeah.

[993] And yeah.

[994] And for somebody like this guy who clearly, like, he wants to problem solve by killing things.

[995] If you create a problem, if you threaten me, if you make me mad, I'm going to pull my gun out.

[996] Yeah.

[997] So the idea that he would then say, I have mental issues and I need help is a very big deal.

[998] So he, on July 17th, he calls.

[999] a mental health clinic and asks for an appointment.

[1000] He leaves his contact details with a receptionist, and she assures him that someone is going to return his call within the next hour or two.

[1001] So he sits next to the phone and waits for that return call, and his wife said he waited for a couple hours.

[1002] The call never comes.

[1003] He gets up, walks out of the house, gets on a motorcycle, and drives away.

[1004] So listen, I don't want to blame people, you know, things because a lot of people have had that happen to them and they don't do this stuff.

[1005] Yes, exactly.

[1006] But it gets fucked up.

[1007] I mean, it's a crazy.

[1008] It's, well, here, so here's what happened.

[1009] The receptionist misspelled his last name as Schubertie.

[1010] And because he was so polite and did not seem that he was an immediate crisis.

[1011] Yeah.

[1012] She didn't put, she logged the call as a non -crisis injury inquiry, sorry.

[1013] and that it would be handled within 48 hours.

[1014] So her time frame, she didn't really communicate the correct time frame to him.

[1015] Yeah, I mean, yeah.

[1016] And in his mind, clearly he was at the end of his rope, but she interpreted the call and his behavior as basically check in on this person.

[1017] Right, right.

[1018] So he comes home from that motorcycle ride an hour later, and the wife says he seems fine.

[1019] They have dinner.

[1020] The whole family rides bikes to the nearby park later on.

[1021] they come home, the kids go to bed, Etna and James watch a movie.

[1022] It's like normal life.

[1023] The next morning is Wednesday, July 18th.

[1024] James Hubert, who takes his wife and their daughters to the San Diego Zoo, and they're having just like a lovely day.

[1025] And all of a sudden, he turns to Etna and says, I think my life's over.

[1026] And she's, he basically gets him to say he's so angry that the mental health clinic didn't return his phone call.

[1027] And he says to her, well, society had their chance.

[1028] Oh, that's not fair.

[1029] Right.

[1030] They go to a McDonald's for lunch that day after the zoo, the McDonald's in Claremont, which is where the tank rampage took place.

[1031] Yeah.

[1032] This is all like in the same neighborhood.

[1033] And then they go home.

[1034] So later that afternoon, he walks into the bedroom and he kisses his wife saying, I want to kiss you goodbye.

[1035] and she asks where he's going and he says I'm going hunting hunting for humans then he walks back yeah he walks out of the house on his way out the door he says goodbye to his daughter and says like explicitly says to her I won't be back and leaves my god so at approximately 356 p .m. same day James Hubert who drives his black mercury marquee sedan into the parking lot of the McDonald's on San Ysidro Boulevard.

[1036] He's wearing camouflage pants and a black t -shirt, and he is carrying a 9 -millimeter browning HP semi -automatic pistol, a 9 -millimeter oozy carbine, a Winchester, 1 ,200, 12 -gauge pump -action shotgun.

[1037] Jesus.

[1038] And then he's got a bag, a cloth bag, filled with the ammunition.

[1039] There are 50 people in the restaurant, roughly.

[1040] So it is a busy afternoon, and that McDonald's is busy.

[1041] Because there's customers and full employees, full staff, obviously.

[1042] He walks in, he yells freeze.

[1043] He aims his shotgun at 16 -year -old employee John Arnold.

[1044] Oh, and right before he does that, the assistant manager, Guillermo Flores, shouts, hey, John, that guy's going to shoot you.

[1045] So John Arnold turns around, and James Hubertie is standing there and shoots, and the gun doesn't, the shotgun doesn't go off.

[1046] So then John Arnold thinks it's some awful prank where he's like, what the fuck is this?

[1047] And as Hubertie's looking at his gun, the manager, 22 -year -old Neva Kane, and this is the saddest part, it's all teenagers.

[1048] Of course, it's a McDonald's in the 80s.

[1049] It's all teenagers working there or like very young people.

[1050] So Neva Kane is the manager and she walks over like, hey, what's going on?

[1051] She's walking toward the servants counter.

[1052] and that's when James Huberty fires, starts firing the Uzi and he murders Neva Cain right there.

[1053] And then as he does that, then he unjams his shotgun and shoots John Arnold in the chest.

[1054] Jesus.

[1055] He yells for everyone to get down on the ground.

[1056] He starts calling everyone, he's calling them dirty swines.

[1057] And he's shouting that he's killed thousands and he intends to kill thousands more.

[1058] A lot of people interpret that as, thinking he is a Vietnam veteran.

[1059] Yeah.

[1060] But afterwards, they find out he'd never had any military service at all.

[1061] So what does that mean?

[1062] But I think he was just trying to be scary or maybe seem like that kind of person.

[1063] Like, I have a bunch of experience with this.

[1064] Intimidate everyone.

[1065] Right.

[1066] But, yeah, that is not the case.

[1067] 25 -year -old Victor Rivera.

[1068] So he just begins shooting up the place.

[1069] And at one point after the screaming and it's basically clear that he's basically clear that Basically, I hate all of the people in this building.

[1070] I'm going to kill you all.

[1071] A 25 -year -old man named Victor Rivera begins to plead with him not to harm anybody else.

[1072] And James Hubert, he turns around and shoots Victor Rivera 14 times and kills him.

[1073] Oh, my God.

[1074] So it is, this is, and this is the massacre beginning, and it goes on, it's so terrible and it goes on for so long.

[1075] And it's, it's just the worst case scenario in every way.

[1076] starting with and this is tragic and awful because so he started roughly around almost right before four and so maybe like a minute or two before 4 p .m. By 4 p .m. there's all these calls coming into 911 or to emergency services and the dispatcher mistakenly directs all the police to the wrong McDonald's.

[1077] No, no, no, no. That's two miles from.

[1078] So there's two within two miles of each other.

[1079] and they just give the wrong one.

[1080] Oh, fuck.

[1081] Yeah.

[1082] So since the police aren't there to lock the scene down.

[1083] Right.

[1084] For a while, James Hubert is inside this McDonald's shooting and people are walking up, coming in, pulling into the drive -thru.

[1085] Okay, so a woman named Lydia Flores pulls into the drive -thru.

[1086] She notices the shattered windows.

[1087] She hears the sound of gunfire before looking up and she's saying.

[1088] says looking up and there he was just shooting she reverses her car out of the drive -thru crashes into a fence with her two -year -old fucking child her two -year -old daughter hides in the car until the shooting stops oh my god so she basically pulls up to it and then gets a gets away crashes and then just hides oh my shit this is the most tragic and there was actually a picture in the newspaper this is i mean this story was so huge for so long it gives me it still gives me chills what year was it 84 okay because I didn't know about it until I got older because I was a kid but I'm sure my mom would remember it yes and there was a picture that was that I bet you she remembers because three little boys rode up on their bikes yeah and they're the bikes and basically Omar Hernandez Joshua Coleman and David Delgado rode up while an intermittent shooting was taking place.

[1089] So they rode their bikes up, dropped them outside, went in and were immediately shot.

[1090] They actually, sorry, they weren't even in the building and he shot and Omar Hernandez and David Delgado died at the scene.

[1091] Joshua Coleman somehow miraculously survives after being shot in the back, in the arm and in the leg.

[1092] Holy shit.

[1093] He says he saw his friends murdered.

[1094] He throws up.

[1095] He's he's there and there is a picture you guys can go fine but like of the bikes on the ground and then there's like an EMT with that little boy and it's such a miracle that he survived but this is like just this is just the beginning of this massacre it's just so awful again because there's no police there no one's locking anything down an elderly couple is walking in Miguel Uola and his wife Aida are walking in Miguel 74, Aida is 69.

[1096] They're walking in and right as Miguel opens the door for Aida, Huberty turns around with a shotgun and shoots her.

[1097] He starts, Miguel starts screaming at him, of course, and then he gets shot too.

[1098] So everybody sees, sees that.

[1099] It's just, it's just fucking, like, worst -case scenario.

[1100] And people in the restaurant, of course, have hidden under tables.

[1101] There are people that are, like, shot.

[1102] and have dragged themselves into the bathroom.

[1103] You know, it's, it's crazy and everyone's on the ground.

[1104] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1105] And it just keeps going.

[1106] So the shooting just keeps going.

[1107] Why isn't anyone, why aren't the cops here?

[1108] Why isn't anyone stopping this person?

[1109] Why isn't it?

[1110] Yes.

[1111] You know, it's, it's a nightmare.

[1112] I'm sure that's what they're saying.

[1113] I'm not, I'm not asking that.

[1114] I'm sure that's what they're thinking.

[1115] Exactly right.

[1116] And that the people in, he's clearly, you can't talk to him, you can't reason with him.

[1117] You can't even be seen.

[1118] No. So, and that gets established very early on.

[1119] So when the officers finally do arrive, they set up a six -block lockdown perimeter.

[1120] There's 175 officers that end up at the scene.

[1121] They set up a command post two blocks away, and of course, a SWAT team quickly follows.

[1122] Thank God.

[1123] But the problem is there's so much gunfire.

[1124] They think there's a bunch of people shooting up the inside of the McDonald's.

[1125] And he shot out.

[1126] Because he has an oozy.

[1127] Yeah.

[1128] He shot out so many windows that they can't see into the.

[1129] The windows are shattered, but they're like, yeah, they can't see in.

[1130] So they can't get a clear view.

[1131] They don't, they can't get a sense of what's going on.

[1132] It's crazy.

[1133] Okay.

[1134] So at one point, and he, several survivors say that they saw Huberti walk toward the service counter at one point, adjust a portable radio.

[1135] He brought a radio in.

[1136] He was trying to hear on the news what, what was going on, how close the cops were.

[1137] Oh my God.

[1138] And then he put it on a music station and returned to shooting.

[1139] I mean, let's remember real quick back to when he left the house.

[1140] This is a father of two children.

[1141] Like, suddenly now he's this military psychopath in my head, but it's like the kids he's just shot outside the fucking restaurant could be his kids.

[1142] Yes.

[1143] This isn't some fucking.

[1144] That's insane.

[1145] Yes.

[1146] It's insanity.

[1147] And he knew he was going insane.

[1148] He reached out for help.

[1149] And then it's almost kind of that thing of like, I think we've all been in that, you're most vulnerable.

[1150] And you ask for help.

[1151] And if you get rejected, like that makes a person never ask for anything again.

[1152] Yeah, but it's the thing of like, but then most of those people don't go kill a bunch of innocent people.

[1153] Of course not.

[1154] But then there'll be a little bit of a, there's other things.

[1155] There's other things at play.

[1156] Let's hear it.

[1157] But you're right.

[1158] I mean, like this isn't, it's almost like culturally, it's as if like, oh, here's the solution.

[1159] Are you upset?

[1160] Have you been rejected?

[1161] Are you mad at women?

[1162] Are you mad at people that don't look exactly like you?

[1163] Well, then here's what you can do about it.

[1164] Here's an Uzi.

[1165] Here's a fucking shotgun, whatever.

[1166] That's like there are people who, that's their belief system.

[1167] And they have access to those weapons.

[1168] Yeah.

[1169] Finally, at 5 .17 p .m. So it's 4 o 'clock as when he fucking started.

[1170] It's been an hour.

[1171] The documentary is called 77 minutes because it's an hour.

[1172] hour and 17 minutes.

[1173] Holy cunt.

[1174] That is insane.

[1175] It's horrifying.

[1176] But they finally, they get up on to the post office that's across a street that has an unobstructed view into the McDonald's.

[1177] And for one second, Huberty appears in this guy's scope.

[1178] He can see it's basically just his head.

[1179] And so he takes a shot and fires a single round.

[1180] And he shoots Huberty in the chest he sends him sprawling backwards onto the floor in front of the service counter and kills him instantly good so as i said the incident lasted 77 minutes during which time uh james tuberty fired a minimum of 245 rounds of ammunition he killed 21 people uh and wounded many many others um the victims whose ages ranged from eight months to 74 years were predominantly, not exclusively, but predominantly Mexican or Mexican American.

[1181] Which is obviously the racial element behind that and clearly part of this man's either agenda or insanity, whatever it might be.

[1182] Totally.

[1183] So the victims were Claudia Perez, who was nine years old.

[1184] At least her Linda Borboa Firo, who was 19.

[1185] Jose Rubin, Lazano Perez, who was 19.

[1186] Neva Denise Cain, the manager, who is 22.

[1187] Michelle Deanne Carncross, who is 18.

[1188] Carlos Reyes, who is eight months old.

[1189] Maria Elena Colmarino Silva, who is 19.

[1190] Jackie Lynn Wright Reyes, who is 18.

[1191] Gloria Lopez Gonzalez, who is 22.

[1192] Victor Maximilian Rivera, who's 25.

[1193] Aris Delci, Vargas, who is 31.

[1194] Blythe Reagan Herrera, who is 31, Hugo Lewis Velazquez, who was 45, Mateo Herrera was 11, Paulina Aquino Lopez, who's 21, Lawrence Herman Verst Lewis was 62, Margarita Padilla, was 18.

[1195] Oh, my God.

[1196] David Flores Delgado was 11.

[1197] Omar Alonzo Hernandez was 11.

[1198] Miguel, Victoria, Loa, was 74, and Iida, Aloa was 16.

[1199] Five of the dead were under 11 years old.

[1200] In 1986, this shooting was the deadliest mass murder in the United States until 1991.

[1201] And as we know, now it happens much more often.

[1202] Afterwards, in 1986, at Neuberty, people were very upset because she got money from the victims fund.

[1203] Which she was a victim too.

[1204] It's understandable that people are upset.

[1205] It's so hard.

[1206] There's nothing about this that isn't the worst scenario where like there's no nothing, there's no winners, there's nothing good.

[1207] It's all deep tragedy.

[1208] It's so hard to like find your humanity, your own humanity when someone has fucking just stomped all over it, you know?

[1209] It's so hard.

[1210] Yes.

[1211] But we know we need to feel it and have it.

[1212] or else we're, you know, that's the problem with people who do shit like this is they have no fucking humanity.

[1213] That's right.

[1214] So we need to make sure that we pay attention to ours.

[1215] And keep it, yes, exactly, and hold it and know, understand that that's that part of it.

[1216] But it's like, but if you're super close, like a victim's fund situation, it's just, it's not good.

[1217] I totally understand.

[1218] In 1986, so of course there was a million lawsuits about this because of that, that amount of time that no one came.

[1219] There were people running out and going, please someone help us.

[1220] Like, it was the worst, the worst, the worst.

[1221] And like all the, you know, the police were, it must have been absolutely horrifying because it's a SWAT team.

[1222] They're like, we can't get a shot.

[1223] We don't know what to do.

[1224] Yeah, they just, it was, it was not well handled.

[1225] What could have been, what could have changed and what could have been better about this?

[1226] I mean, because they, you would think or you might want to argue that they should storm into the McDonald's, but there's so much gunfire.

[1227] They think there could be five people in that.

[1228] They don't know what's happening and they can't see it.

[1229] Even still, though, it's such a long time.

[1230] It's horrifying.

[1231] It's so long.

[1232] So there is so many lawsuits, just every direction.

[1233] But interestingly, Etna Huberti, unsuccessfully tried to sue McDonald's and Babcock and Wilcox, which was her husband's long time former employer in an Ohio state court for five million dollars the suit claimed that the massacre was triggered by both a poor diet no uh -huh and her husband working around highly poisonous metals further citing that monosodium glutamate in macdonald's food combined with the high levels of lead and cadmium that were discovered in huberti's body at his autopsy they were they were he was a welder and so he had a ton of heavy metals and bad toxic shit in his system.

[1234] Basically, they think the buildup from the fumes that he inhaled during his 14 years of welding at Babcock and Wilcox had induced delusions and uncontrollable rage.

[1235] Here's the thing, as we say, but then why aren't all the welders doing it?

[1236] Right.

[1237] Because no. The autopsy did reveal there were no drugs or alcohol in James' system.

[1238] Which almost, does that?

[1239] that freak you out sometimes?

[1240] Like, I want to see massive amounts of amphetamines.

[1241] So I'm like, okay, great.

[1242] There's none.

[1243] Right.

[1244] Because they're all in his brain.

[1245] Because you know what?

[1246] Sometimes, like, this is the argument is fucking people have chemical imbalances.

[1247] Right.

[1248] It's not simple.

[1249] No. You know?

[1250] No. And it's the thing of like when I think in that position, the tragedy, of course, is that he wanted to get help.

[1251] He gave them basically two hours.

[1252] And then that was it.

[1253] Let's not give him.

[1254] too much credit for that though yeah not at all but i will say this is if it's that thing of if you have he basically had this whether it was because he was a welder or because he had you know the sad life that he did have before whatever the fuck it was you can't just that idea that well i made that one phone call now i go get to kill everybody is is just i don't even know why i'm saying it's the same thing with fucking Ted Bundy and all my notes about you fucking being he's not a you know there's scared little men who has violent tantrums that's all he's a he has a violent tantrum right you know or like he feels little and and you know what what fucking helps is killing women or shooting people yeah it makes me feel bigger right or just yeah control this is how I teach everybody a lesson because I've been hurt or rejected or fired or whatever it is yes does something good come out of this any laws one of the victims became a san diego policeman amazing um and this and if you watch this um documentary i i haven't watched the entire thing but that it has all the um people telling their story the way it's affected their life the impact it's had on their life of course um which is very bad but it's also that kind of thing of like this is the more these kinds of stories get out where it's this is what happens when you're on this side of it right that it We should prevent this not because it's a political argument or because I believe this or I wear this color hat or whatever.

[1255] A hundred percent.

[1256] It's you decimate, you decimate 50 people's lives in, in 10 minutes when you walk in somewhere with an oozy and bad metals in your brain or a grudge or whatever the problem is.

[1257] Well, my mom and I were arguing loudly at a nice pizza restaurant about gun control over white wine, as you do.

[1258] As one does.

[1259] My argument, her argument of anyone should be able to have, you know, have guns in their house and all this shit.

[1260] And we, you know, her six -year -old grandson, I'm saying to her, if he went on a play date, would you really want the person he's going over to their house to have, you know, an assault rifle in their fucking house?

[1261] Right.

[1262] Is, are you okay with that?

[1263] Would you let them do that?

[1264] Because it's their fucking right, quote, unquote.

[1265] Right.

[1266] No. And she fucking couldn't answer that.

[1267] Of course.

[1268] Because it's insane.

[1269] It's like, it's great and everything is fine.

[1270] until it's you and it's happening to your life.

[1271] And you need to put yourself and have some basic fucking empathy and put yourself in the shoes of the people who survived it and the families whose loved one didn't survive it.

[1272] This wasn't supposed to be a gun lecture.

[1273] Also, you know we're preaching to the converted so hard right now.

[1274] I know, I know.

[1275] But anyway, I just, I have a very...

[1276] I mean, maybe we're not, and that's important too.

[1277] Or maybe people who don't vote are listening because they don't like to get out of their house on that day.

[1278] You know, maybe.

[1279] It's or are undecided.

[1280] It's important.

[1281] Yeah, let's have less violence.

[1282] Also, just this one, just having seen it from, like, we used to, oh, just watch the news at night.

[1283] And so whatever was on the news just went straight into my brain.

[1284] And the night this happened, it was, it really, it had this really intense ripple effect on this country in a way that, like, things didn't that much back then because there was no. social media and there was no whatever it was intense it was crazy and it's really sad definitely yeah well that was i mean you told that well i mean thank you sure i'm gonna touch that shit i know i just did good no but you did a great job i just wanted it felt like one of those things it's uh yeah feels like one of those ones where you're just like but it should get said right and maybe especially because it's of a underrepresented group or that the majority who got killed.

[1285] Yes.

[1286] It's important to tell that story.

[1287] Yes, for sure.

[1288] And shit.

[1289] I mean, yeah.

[1290] Good job.

[1291] Thank you.

[1292] Now, let's never do the hi -fi murders.

[1293] Oh, God.

[1294] I mean, Jesus.

[1295] That's one that I will never, ever know.

[1296] Yeah, that was great.

[1297] Okay, so what's your fucking hooray for this week?

[1298] Okay, so my fucking hooray, I'm seeing a new therapist.

[1299] Nice.

[1300] She's great.

[1301] I was talking to her about my, self -esteem and how fucking hard it is to read one negative comment on Instagram amidst a ton of the kindest, you know, murderinos overall and people who comment on the answer are like the kindest people.

[1302] I can't get over it.

[1303] If I could cry, I would.

[1304] And one will affect me so negatively and make like such a bummer.

[1305] So she was like, well, you know what you should try?

[1306] And I was like, oh god what is she going to tell me to meditate and um she said recently i started watching um cardy b's videos on instagram and i was like oh i like i'm so bad with pop culture i i don't really i've heard of her i know that store kind of ideas i don't know the music so i's like okay this is weird and i went home and fucking watched a couple of cardi b videos i do what i like i do I do, I do.

[1307] What I like, I do.

[1308] It's a little noise she makes.

[1309] I am so in love with Cardi B and her fucking Instagram videos.

[1310] The best.

[1311] And her as a person, it's incredible.

[1312] She's the best.

[1313] Did you see the speech she gave about how the government needs it?

[1314] Because of your pussy.

[1315] Yes.

[1316] You go to check your pussy.

[1317] Check your pussy.

[1318] Somebody remix that song, that into a song that's amazing.

[1319] It's on my Twitter feed.

[1320] if you want to see it.

[1321] And one of my favorite comedians who's now writing on S &L, Bowen -Yang, he does this thing where he does lip sinks of those kinds of speeches.

[1322] So he did one from Devil Warsh product.

[1323] Oh, my God.

[1324] He does these, they're really good videos.

[1325] And he did hers like ward for word, gesture for gesture, reenacting it.

[1326] It's so funny.

[1327] Can I give a shout out to someone else that I know who does that?

[1328] Who's amazing that does that with like a movie.

[1329] so he does like a lot of, he'll do like a Parker Posey fucking monologue and shit and he's amazing and I've been meaning to fucking talk about him.

[1330] Hold on.

[1331] It's the Johnny Smith and he does Johnny Lip Sync hashtag and the hashtag is Johnny Lip Sync and he'll do these to these fucking insane old movies like postcards from the edge and shit and just he's crying.

[1332] I love it.

[1333] But yeah, Cardi B, I'm inspired by her.

[1334] Yes.

[1335] You know how many fuck she gives?

[1336] Zero.

[1337] I'm just so, I'm amazed and I want to, I want to channel Cardi B. She has one of my favorite lines in any, uh, song ever, any lyric.

[1338] Mm -hmm.

[1339] She says, the only time that I'm a lady's when I ladies hose to rest.

[1340] She has, there's some, her, her rhymes, I'm not going to talk about rap.

[1341] Like I fucking know anything, but clever.

[1342] so good and also but also just like let's go see her let's go see her and let's go see lizzo Lizzo is going on tour in April this is spell her name so everyone L -I -Z -Z -O she oh my gosh she's got our like backstage before we go on stage in the green room anthem like this is our gal who we fucking listen to and sing as we're walking towards a stage yes what's the song called do it I do my hair check my name good as hell the song's called good as hell I've tweeted it a ton of times.

[1343] Okay, great, great, great, great.

[1344] She also has a new song called Juice that's incredible.

[1345] Right.

[1346] And also, she's like hitting the big time now.

[1347] She's doing Coachella.

[1348] She's doing a bunch of stuff.

[1349] She fucking plays the flute.

[1350] She plays the flute and hits the shoot.

[1351] She is the fucking shit.

[1352] I love her so much.

[1353] She's the shit.

[1354] And also she has that thing where that her lyrics are really like, they're empowering.

[1355] They're really like, sorry, let me just remember this one because I just texted this so here's this will be as I try to remember that I'll say this Stephen we step till 5 a .m. editing Stephen so we sound smart I'm so sorry no you can leave that part in but my therapist gave me this assignment I've started going to therapy twice a week I love it and it feels amazing because I talk so fucking much um and can't I have to monologue at her I don't like the feeling when we're like staring at each other and she's like yeah let's feel that for a second so how does that make you feel So it's almost like there's the download, I was going to say episode appointment.

[1356] No, it's an episode.

[1357] Espionage.

[1358] Well, we're going to start putting Karen's therapy sessions out as a podcast.

[1359] Everyone would roll their eyes the hardest.

[1360] Yes.

[1361] And listen to it.

[1362] But so it's like the first day I kind of barf out all the things that I'm worried about.

[1363] And then we get to like workshop it for a whole other day.

[1364] When I hear people who go to therapy more than once a week, I'm like, you're doing the fucking work because your therapist said to you you need to come in more than once a week which makes you think oh shit I'm fucking crazy I knew a dude who went three times a week and it's like all you're doing is the work you need to be doing well and it's I am so as we all are no one's it look we all have anxiety we're all stressed out we're all scared we all have these issues and there's like basic obvious reasons that have nothing to do with having a chemical in balance.

[1365] No. Like, just fucking start with.

[1366] Right.

[1367] It's the way we're built to have anxiety.

[1368] I just read this somewhere.

[1369] We're all the human beings that lived because we have anxiety.

[1370] Right.

[1371] We stayed away from the fucking Sabre 2 Tigers Cave and we fucking...

[1372] Don't touch the fire, you ding -dong.

[1373] We ran into the forest so that we wouldn't get killed and then didn't.

[1374] And then now we stay out of the forest because there are serial killers in there.

[1375] Like we have to find out which way we go in the forest.

[1376] That's right.

[1377] We're out.

[1378] But we're filled with anxiety that we now societally interpret as a negative, which it's not necessarily.

[1379] You're not crazy.

[1380] It's natural.

[1381] It's how our reptilian brains are built.

[1382] I also think it makes me kind of like quirky and fun.

[1383] Sure.

[1384] Also, you love cats.

[1385] I love cats.

[1386] But she gave me this exercise.

[1387] And she said, every day you have to write down five things, not that you're grateful for because that's conceptual.

[1388] Write down five things that made you feel good in the moment.

[1389] it can be anything that tiny yes the tiny big whatever that gave you a shot of actual emotion of yay and dorothy it was a little like a little moment and just start recording them because i often have that thing where i i can't handle shit so i just shut it all down good or bad yes it's all it's none of my business yeah yeah how i feel yeah um is the mistake i make like don't don't just be neutral all the time Or just like I can't do it right now.

[1390] So like if if I reacted real time, it would be bad.

[1391] So I just don't do anything.

[1392] Got it.

[1393] But the problem with that is you, then you are not feeling the good things.

[1394] Then you forget what's good.

[1395] You forget what you like.

[1396] You forget.

[1397] And then that's how I personally, that's how I get into abusing substances because I feel like I need to replace it with like real good life experiences.

[1398] Instead, it's like, I can't handle any of that.

[1399] I'll just go home and like eat.

[1400] I'll go home and get high I'll go home and just lay there and watch TV all those things that do not serve me and so in trying to peel that behavior back you have to remember what is good like you can't just peel back things that are giving you comfort and then stand there you have to like make lists of things you like so I've been doing it daily and she said you have to do it with somebody else so that you do it so I immediately thought of Lizzie I knew it I knew it be Lizzie Cooperman Lizzie Cuperman is our, obviously, our friends.

[1401] It's almost not there because, of course, it's easy for her.

[1402] It's, she, I didn't even have to explain it.

[1403] I go, will you do this thing?

[1404] And she's like, totally.

[1405] Like, it was like she was waiting to do it.

[1406] I love it.

[1407] So it's just these lists and they're so odd.

[1408] But it's just a thing that actually made you happy real time in a real moment.

[1409] And it can be just hearing this person's voice on the phone.

[1410] You every time.

[1411] Will you do it with me for like one day.

[1412] week?

[1413] A hundred percent.

[1414] Okay.

[1415] Absolutely.

[1416] Um, I just feel like we're in each other's business so much.

[1417] So much.

[1418] We're all about each other.

[1419] But yes, because I, I'm telling you, having done this now for like, I think it's a week or two, maybe two.

[1420] I am feeling real time things where I go, oh, I want more of this feeling.

[1421] I'm going to do these.

[1422] It's like I'm I'm teaching shit more, too, because you're like, oh, I have to tell Lizzie that later.

[1423] It's like, oh, this thing right now feels good.

[1424] That's going to be on my list today.

[1425] Exactly.

[1426] Or if you've, if I have spent, I want to say you so bad, but it's me. If I've spent the day in my house talking to no one but George and Frank, there's nothing to put on that list.

[1427] So I have to go, like, at least go to the store and talk to one old lady because you need some shit on your good list.

[1428] And I swear it is like, it's like waking up this thing inside me where I'm like, I get to feel.

[1429] good shit real time i get to be vulnerable be in the world and i like it i can handle it i like it it's good and that's the only way to get more good stuff it's practices that's you know yeah it's your therapy practice yeah and then the word practice is so important because it's not do it or don't do it and do it right no it's like just keep practicing keep practicing and i think the reason she did it because there's been tons of times we're like i will lizzie sends me you know two days in a row and i'm like what the fuck is this and I'm like oh my god I didn't do my list well Lizzie does this thing I kind of think this is it she's only taught me this and I know it's like gale or someone's fucking thing but Oprah or Gail you're not sure which it's the ta -da list instead of the to -do list and Lizzie of course told me that so long ago and I was like oh my god what's that like accomplishments a ta -da you know you write your fucking to do this I need to do this I need to do this and end of the day to -da list what I did I fucking did right this week or this day you know yes to -da motherfucker yeah like that needs to be credited to someone because to -da motherfucker no just the to -da I'm going to look it up because it's nobody's not claiming it when stephen and I were Googling it okay great yeah like little practices like you say little practices remind yourself that you're not just a total piece of shit well and also it's the thing too you know it's to me I always get worried when you and I talk about like our real experiences at the top of the show because I don't want people to be mad at us or hate us for being in a great position and still complaining.

[1430] Like, that's my fear.

[1431] But I realized in kind of making these lists and stuff, I have so much to be overjoyed about every day.

[1432] Yeah.

[1433] I could fill up 10 lists.

[1434] But I focus on what's negative, what I need to fight, what I need to do, what I'm not doing.

[1435] Like, all I do is focus on the bad stuff.

[1436] And it makes the hugest difference when, like, I can remind myself, all your dreams are coming true.

[1437] Is this the beginning of our mental health podcast?

[1438] I feel like it is.

[1439] I mean, it could be.

[1440] I drink a can of wine.

[1441] I just worry if we, if we name it that the lawsuits will be coming down the mountain.

[1442] Karen and George's, ta -da, that's the first one.

[1443] We stole that.

[1444] Stolen.

[1445] Who did I steal?

[1446] I want to know who I stole that from because I know.

[1447] Lizzie, it's Lizzie's fault.

[1448] It's Lizzie.

[1449] It's Lizzie.

[1450] Let's all blame her.

[1451] If we do that, we have to pull Lizzie into it.

[1452] That's, oh my God.

[1453] She could be our therapist.

[1454] She could, and the tarot reader.

[1455] And she'll read our taros.

[1456] Um, yeah.

[1457] Cool.

[1458] Yeah.

[1459] That was like a, that was a beautiful fucking hooray.

[1460] Oh, it's called fucking hooray.

[1461] It's called fucking array.

[1462] Um, wow.

[1463] Yeah.

[1464] Good job.

[1465] Thank you.

[1466] It's actually, I've, instead of like, talking about a TV show, I was like, I should just say, I was not going to say it because I was like, oh, that's weird and private and I shouldn't do it.

[1467] Oh my God, show it off.

[1468] And every time I listen to my therapist talk, I'm like, God, I wish more people could hear her talking.

[1469] She said, today she said this thing, she goes, when human beings aren't supported and they don't have anyone that we just can't.

[1470] That's the way she said it.

[1471] And I was like, she's just deep, but in that real way of like, this is the truth.

[1472] Yeah.

[1473] This is, this is how it is for people.

[1474] I dig it.

[1475] Me too.

[1476] I dig it.

[1477] I dig it.

[1478] fucking shit, man. Guys, we barped it out this week.

[1479] And I think it's, you know, flash everyone your emotion.

[1480] Flash everyone yourself.

[1481] Why not?

[1482] Like, pull down, like, pull down your, um, tube top.

[1483] Pull down your soul.

[1484] Defensive tube top.

[1485] That's right.

[1486] And get your soul tits out.

[1487] Flash your soul.

[1488] I promise you'll be rewarded with beads, right?

[1489] With marty grove beads.

[1490] With spiritual life beads.

[1491] Spiritual, Mardi Grotts.

[1492] Life beads.

[1493] That you're flashing.

[1494] at every other human being.

[1495] And there we go.

[1496] And everyone's better.

[1497] Yes.

[1498] The end.

[1499] Everything's cured.

[1500] Did we do it?

[1501] We did it.

[1502] Gun control.

[1503] We solved.

[1504] God, this was a great.

[1505] We really did it.

[1506] We solved complaining.

[1507] We solved vulnerability.

[1508] Listen, vulnerability 2020.

[1509] Right?

[1510] That's what's going to happen.

[1511] Vulnerable and ability.

[1512] Gosh, thanks for listening, guys.

[1513] Thanks, everybody.

[1514] If you got to this point, fuck, man. Wow.

[1515] You're cured.

[1516] You must need.

[1517] something go find it we support you good luck let us know what you find and stay sexy and don't get murdered goodbye holy shit Elvis you want a cookie