JRE MMA Show #37 with Mark DellaGrotte

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[1] Five, four, three, two, one.

[2] Boom, and we're live, Mark de la Grate.

[3] What up?

[4] Most of the time, if you and I are talking on a microphone, it's when you're in the truck, and I'm talking to you, and, like, right before a big fight, people don't realize.

[5] Like, you're the guy I talk to.

[6] Yeah, man. A lot of shit talking.

[7] You do a lot of shit talking.

[8] A lot of things we probably shouldn't say.

[9] Luckily, it doesn't make the broadcast.

[10] Well, when that one got leaked, when Aldo was about to fight Connor and I said he does not look good I said he looks nervous as fuck his body looks flat soft and flat yeah and then he got flatlined yeah well you were right I was right in that regard that did make program didn't it well people what happened was somebody recorded it I was talking to you I think and I was talking to Bruce and it just somebody just decided to be a little twat Dude, I'm paranoid in that truck sometimes You have to be now I'm going to push the wrong fucking button And I'm going to be talking shit to you A Marin or something Well that was one where It was interesting I was like oh okay Well somebody's a fucking asshole Like you're privy to this sort of inside banter to like to release that Like and make it public I would never say that publicly So I was very upset that they did that But it was honest No you're right It was honest he did look like shit But damn he looked good last weekend he looked unbelievable I'm happy for him man I love Jeremy Stevens I love Jeremy Stevens great guy I mean you know we're cool with everybody yeah work for the company you gotta get to know everybody you got to get to know everybody you got to be cool with everybody but it was good to see Jose Aldo back on top man he needed that bad dude well when someone ever I'm always happen when someone wins with a liver shot oh because it's such it's one of those weird punches like you'll see someone we'll see two guys and they exchange good shots to the body and they seem like they have no effect.

[11] You know, obviously they hurt, but they'll deal with it and keep fighting.

[12] And then every now and then you see, whap, and then, uh, you see that liver shot where the legs go out and the body gives in.

[13] It's like, man, that is crazy that we have this one area that sometimes works.

[14] Yep.

[15] Because sometimes it doesn't work, right?

[16] That's right.

[17] A liver shot's weird.

[18] Man, and it's delayed.

[19] That's the funniest part about it.

[20] There's like a split second delay where you're like, I got this.

[21] Yeah.

[22] You just fold over.

[23] If you saw that, too, like there was a body shot that he threw, he threw like a rear, a right hand to the body, and then the left level shot.

[24] So I think it's kind of like, you know, you take the first punch, you know, and then you brace and you got it.

[25] And then you relax for a second.

[26] And that's when bongyang, your diaphragm and your liver starts vibrating.

[27] I wish it made sense.

[28] Well, here it is right here.

[29] We could see it again.

[30] Weird video.

[31] Yeah, watch.

[32] He throws the right hand to the body first.

[33] What does he got me?

[34] There it is and there it is.

[35] Boom.

[36] Double body shot.

[37] Yeah.

[38] And Jeremy's a bang of two, man. That's a tough dude, man, to get dropped from a body shot.

[39] Yeah, and to make that face, too.

[40] You must hurt so bad.

[41] Yeah, man. Well, Kevin Ross is the only guy that I've ever seen hide it.

[42] Kevin Ross got, he was fighting in Bellator, not his last fight, but maybe the previous fight.

[43] And he got hit in the first round with a spinning back kick right in the liver.

[44] And he just went, he just, you can see, he just kept moving.

[45] And he said he was in ultimate agony.

[46] Absolutely.

[47] But he didn't show shit, and his opponent didn't know.

[48] I mean, he really pulled it off.

[49] He really pulled it off.

[50] He figured out how to just...

[51] He's so mentally strong, though, that guy.

[52] He just figured out how to suck it up and just deal with the pain.

[53] It's tough to do in kickboxing and boxing, too, because it's not like you can jump guard or stall or crap.

[54] You can't hide that, you know, you get hit like that, and you've got to keep fighting.

[55] Especially kickboxing as opposed to Muay.

[56] You can't even really clinch.

[57] Right, exactly, especially with these newer rules.

[58] with some things.

[59] Do you like that?

[60] Do you like, I don't either.

[61] I don't like it.

[62] I don't like it.

[63] It's not the art, you know.

[64] I think everything that's going on, you know, with, you know, these new rules, even when K1 first came out and all that, it's kind of like what I consider like a takeoff of Moitai.

[65] It's not Moitai, but they call it Moitai.

[66] Yeah.

[67] I mean, it's not Moitai.

[68] You know, it's not the real art. K1 was like the Japanese said, not enough brain damage.

[69] Yeah.

[70] Not enough.

[71] You need more brain damage.

[72] And I think they just sucked at the clinch, which because the ties are so good at it.

[73] And they wanted to give themselves a chance to actually compete with some of the best in the world.

[74] So they said, all right, let's limit their weapons.

[75] Isn't that interesting?

[76] Because wouldn't you think that they would just learn the clinch?

[77] Man, I wish they would, you know?

[78] That's one of the most intricate parts of Muay Thai.

[79] That's where all the gambling goes.

[80] That's where all the points come from.

[81] You can punch the shit out of somebody and you get nowhere, and then you start clenching and the knees start coming and the little turnovers and trips.

[82] The ties love that shit, man. That's the real art. There's so much grappling involved in Thai boxing that's overlooked.

[83] You know, and to have rules that take away grappling, take away clinch work makes no sense to me it's half the art at that point it's also a really underappreciated thing in terms of like how they score it like we don't we don't score the same way like if you're watching a tie fight and if you were an american you've been like ah there's a bunch of hug in yeah you got off a couple of knees but the other guy hit him with some good right hands and a good jab so funny you say that i just had i just had this lesson with my students the the night, you know, doing a, let's talk about the rules, how to, how to win the judges, so to say, you know, and the Dutch rules are different than the Thai rules and America is kind of fucked up and lost in between all of it, you know, like the Dutch consider like a hand block, like if you block with your hands like this, it's a block in Holland.

[84] The ties, that's not a block.

[85] That's a point.

[86] Like, you get the point, you know?

[87] Really?

[88] Yeah, man, it's different.

[89] You have to block with your legs in tie box in order to show that you've blocked and nullified the attack, you know?

[90] Really?

[91] And the points, like the, the punches score big in Holland, low kick score big, and they mean shit to the ties.

[92] You could punch the shit out of somebody for a full round and then just get two clean body kicks off.

[93] And all the ties like, oh, hey, hey, you got that.

[94] The gambling starts going.

[95] So a lot of these foreigners go to Thailand and they think they're doing well and then they lose decisions and they wonder why.

[96] It's because they don't understand the judge.

[97] They don't understand the rules.

[98] And vice versa, and the ties go to Holland.

[99] And, you know, they think they're doing well and the guys punching the shit out of them and they're kind of block in partially and then they lose decisions as well.

[100] So it's very different.

[101] between the judging and the scoring between Dutch kickboxing and real Muay Thai, very different.

[102] Yeah, I remember when Ramon Decker was fighting over in Thailand, and one of the things that he shocked a lot of those guys was with his hand techniques.

[103] He was able to close the distance and just unleash a barrage of explosive knockout punches and take guys out, where I think they'd become more accustomed to that not happening.

[104] Very true.

[105] It also become accustomed to not being assaulted in the first round.

[106] Very much so.

[107] I remember one of the fights I had early in my career in Thailand.

[108] I was so excited to be fighting at a big fair, big festival, fighting this big name Thai, and I threw an elbow in the first round.

[109] You know, because I had the opportunity to throw the elbow, I threw the elbow, and I landed, and the guy wiped his, you know, put his glove up to his head to see if he was bleeding, and he gave me that mean look and nodded, and it was game on from there.

[110] And I went back to the corner, and my Thai trainers were yelling at me, like the fuck are you doing you throw elbows like elbow's illegal right yeah but not first round now he angry you i was like what the fuck now he angry you now he angry you tiglish half tie half tithe is that bad dude it was apparently i was just excited to be fighting in thailand using elbows because a lot of times in the states you know we can't use them and the rules are limited and i was in thailand and it was a festival at night and the fucking lights are on and i was like game on let's go trainers were mad at me for throwing the elbow and then there was other fights i had where they were like, oh, be careful for elbow.

[111] This festival fight.

[112] No doctor here.

[113] Hospital far away.

[114] It's like, you guys are fuck in my head all up.

[115] No doctor here.

[116] No doctor.

[117] I remember my trainer saying that.

[118] He's like, be careful for elbow.

[119] I was like, thanks fucking tips.

[120] Like I know, watch out for elbows.

[121] He's like, yeah, but no doctor here, not stadium.

[122] This festival.

[123] Hospital, long pierban.

[124] Oh, well, really far.

[125] Dude, you got such a good Thai accent.

[126] Dude, my tie glish is on point, bro.

[127] Don't even go there.

[128] Don't even go there.

[129] It's so funny.

[130] Don't make me do a lady boy.

[131] With a heavy, boston accent.

[132] Dude, you ever here, you ever here, Stitch did some R &R in the service, like in Thailand?

[133] And, man, like, you know, you say like, so at de cap.

[134] That's like the property.

[135] He's like, man, swat de cup.

[136] He, like, speaks like a Thai essay, dude.

[137] It's hilarious, dude.

[138] It's the funniest thing, man. How do you say thank you again?

[139] Kapkun kha.

[140] Kapkkkrab.

[141] Yeah, if you roll the ars, it's like real, like, almost like aristocratel.

[142] Like you stick out like a. sore thumb if you're a white dude.

[143] But women don't say that.

[144] They say Kapkun Krah.

[145] Kha.

[146] Kha is like the feminine polite particle.

[147] So to say so Kopp, like Krup, it looks like KR -U -P, but it's actually the cup.

[148] That's the male polite particle.

[149] And then everybody, ah, kra, they all stretch everything out.

[150] Everything is like, oh, I go with you, nah.

[151] Where you go, mister?

[152] It's all, it's just like, I don't know, it's the twang, I guess.

[153] It's that Thai twang.

[154] They're the nicest people on earth.

[155] They're sweet.

[156] They're so nice, man. Not all of them.

[157] It's the land of smiles, but you'll find some fucking frowns here and there, I'll tell you that much, dude.

[158] Of course.

[159] Well, especially in the fight game.

[160] There's no getting around the fight game.

[161] You're going to have some mean motherfuckers.

[162] Very true.

[163] But the fighters are cool, though, man. I remember one of my first fights in Thailand.

[164] Well, at least my Roger Domitin fight in 2003, I had breakfast with my opponent.

[165] And it was like, yeah, super chill.

[166] Like we weighed in butt naked next to each other, which was awkward to.

[167] I was fuck, but, you know, like, do we really have to be naked?

[168] And the Thai's like, yeah, you got to get down, bro.

[169] And I was like, I don't want to get naked.

[170] I'm on weight, don't worry.

[171] I'll leave my underwear.

[172] They were like, no, underwear off.

[173] It's how we do it at Ratchelownon Stadium.

[174] And I was like, shit.

[175] It's a butt naked weight in my opponent.

[176] Went next door and had breakfast with him, shooting the shit.

[177] It's kind of cool, Nick.

[178] But it is a cool place, man. I remember the first time I went to Thailand, I came home and I was homesick.

[179] And I was fucked up, dude.

[180] It felt weird.

[181] I was like, I felt like lonely and loss.

[182] And I had family here.

[183] like, you know, I was, I was, my currently, my wife now, I was with her at the time, we weren't married at the time, but, you know, I was, I had family, had friends, I was very much connected, you know, old school Sicilian family, Boston base, you know, deep roots, and I just felt awkward and weird.

[184] I was like, away from home, I was like homesick.

[185] You missed Thailand.

[186] I miss Thailand, my very first trip, I remember leaving the airport, and I was driving, and I had nothing but smiles for like a month and a half straight, and I was leaving Logan Airport in Boston, and some truck driver cut me off and stuck his head out to one.

[187] I was like, fuck you, man, gave me the finger.

[188] Dude, chill, like, he wanted to get up and fight.

[189] And I was like, bro, I'll snap your neck.

[190] But I don't want to fight nobody.

[191] Like, I'm Buddha now.

[192] Like, I like this vibe.

[193] I want to go back to Thailand.

[194] Like, it was weird, man. It was definitely trippy, though.

[195] But something brought me, something very deep, like in spiritual, brought me to Thailand, brought me to the kingdom.

[196] That is the opposite way I feel about Boston.

[197] When I go back to Boston, I see hostility, I smile.

[198] I'm like, oh, I remember this.

[199] Right.

[200] And people cut people off.

[201] You fucking queer.

[202] Like, oh, yeah.

[203] Come on, this is where I grew up.

[204] It is awesome.

[205] There's something unique about Boston people.

[206] I'm telling you, man, I've told this to people, like, you know, when you've got to get up at fucking six in the morning to shovel 17 inches of snow off your fucking frozen windshield to go to work and sit in traffic and beep and be angry at each other, like it just makes a different person, you know.

[207] Well, it definitely makes a different sense of humor.

[208] For sure.

[209] You know, like there's a certain connection that I have to those Northeast comedians.

[210] Yeah.

[211] Guys like Bill Burr, like Bill and I did a show Wednesday night.

[212] And it's like, whenever I'm around a guy from Boston, it's like, it's so obvious.

[213] It's like there's a certain, and there's also a certain respect for people's attention span.

[214] Very much.

[215] Because one of the good things about starting out in Boston was like, people didn't give a fuck.

[216] Like, they don't have any time for your dilly dallying up there.

[217] You better come with the jokes.

[218] So true, man. First trip to L .A., I know, was L .A. San Francisco, I think, at the time when I was younger, when it's like some random sandwich shop.

[219] I was like, I'm hungry.

[220] I was like, give me one of those joints right there.

[221] And the guy, like, was taking his time.

[222] And I was like, bro, I'm in a fucking rush.

[223] And like, and my buddy was like, dude, watch the F bombs.

[224] I was like, what do you mean?

[225] He's like, just watch the fombs.

[226] So the guy comes out with the sandwich and there was this little fucking peanut half sandwich.

[227] I go, what the fuck am I going to do with that?

[228] He's like, I'm sorry.

[229] I was like, where's the other half?

[230] And he's like, that's it, sir.

[231] And I was like, bro, I need another fucking sandwich.

[232] He's like, I'm going to have to charge you for it.

[233] And I was like, charge me, do what if you got to do, bro?

[234] I'm fucking hungry.

[235] Like literally everybody behind me in line just out of dispersing and like left the store.

[236] My buddy was like, bro, I can't take you anywhere around.

[237] Really?

[238] It was how old were you back then?

[239] Probably maybe 20, 20 years old maybe.

[240] Yeah, see, that's a different Mark Delagrote and a different San Francisco.

[241] Very true.

[242] San Francisco was like super calm lefty back then.

[243] Now San Francisco is different.

[244] San Francisco is homeless people projectile shitting into the streets.

[245] Yeah, and really expensive real estate and tech, tech dorts who speak in, they have a specific language in San Francisco.

[246] Really?

[247] Yeah, it's called upspeak.

[248] Is that a fact?

[249] Yeah.

[250] This is how I describe it as a language, but tech people in San Francisco.

[251] And if you're a tech person in San Francisco and you do this, stop it.

[252] Because they do this.

[253] They talk to you.

[254] Like, here's the deal.

[255] Like what we're trying to do with our startup Stop it, please.

[256] So the end of all, you know, the car, at the car, when they're the Thai, talk like that.

[257] San Francisco's version of that is upspeak.

[258] Everything they do at the end goes up.

[259] So what we're trying to, and what it is is like they're faking it.

[260] They're trying to, like when you want to pretend to be intelligent or tech savvy or in, and it's a very left -wing thing.

[261] too it's only people who are super liberal and super progressive like you can't say you couldn't talk like that and go donald trump although he's problematic has some really good points in regards to business like you couldn't say that bro please stop there was a lot of good a lot of good combat sports come out of san francisco absolutely man think about like the the history of like you got the gracie uh gracie baha contingent up there you know half gracey you know half gracey you is got one of the like northern california they have one of the best areas yeah it's awesome for much slots yeah Dave Terrell the Diaz brothers obviously Caesar Gracie yep and then you had uh Alex Gong used to be up there I was just gonna say the Fairtex crew that old school Fairtex who Alex Gong Johnson on Fairtex did they ever catch the guy who killed him I don't yeah I think he killed himself actually no no Alex Gong got killed in uh someone someone did something and he went out like someone would fuck with his car or something Something like that.

[262] And he went outside and someone murdered him.

[263] The way I heard it was he was training in the gym and somebody sideswiped or hit his car or something.

[264] There was something like that.

[265] He ran down the street after him in a pair of fucking boxing gloves, which probably wasn't, you know, I mean, obviously you see some fucking savage running up to your window with a pair of boxing gloves on.

[266] So the guy shot him.

[267] Yeah.

[268] But I think the guy had some mental history and he was like, you know, he was unstable or something like that.

[269] And from what I understood, I thought the guy actually committed suicide.

[270] There it is.

[271] Suspect.

[272] Yep.

[273] You're right.

[274] Suspecting kickboxer shooting killed himself Yeah That was fucked up man What a what a waste though huh Yeah I got crashed into his parked car So he chafed after There it is yeah I didn't know I just fucking thought I was making shit up for a minute That's sad man He was a great fighter man I remember watching like Remember like ISK like kickboxing Back in the day when like the Fairtex crew From Chandler Arizona You know uh who's the big guy Gagnall Yeah Johnson on Fairtex And Ther Texx Who was the other guy I was the smaller guy, too.

[275] I forget his name.

[276] I'm drawing a blank.

[277] But that whole Fairtex crew, man, back in the day, man, they just came from Thailand and just fucking threw up like this aluminum building in Chandler, Arizona, in the desert, and just started fucking implying people in to fucking learn Muay Thai.

[278] And they were kicking ass, dude.

[279] They kicked everybody's ass back in the day, that ISK kickboxing scene.

[280] Well, when you started fighting, there were very few people that were, like, formally trained in Muay Thai.

[281] in our area, in the Boston area.

[282] Like, uh, we, we knew, uh, Rich Vasopoli.

[283] Oh, man, what a name.

[284] Remember him?

[285] He died in the triathlon, too, didn't he?

[286] Got kicked in the head while he was swimming and drowned.

[287] Isn't that crazy?

[288] That is crazy, man. Of all the shit you did in your life, you fucking got kicked by a swimmer and drown.

[289] Yeah.

[290] And he was like, you know, all, he was done fighting.

[291] It was in his 40s.

[292] Yeah, exactly.

[293] He was chilling at the time.

[294] So I just, you say that, man, because back in the day, I thought about this coming out here.

[295] You know, I remember the, the first pair of Moy Thai shorts I saw.

[296] I was like, dude, that's, dude, that's, funky those weird letters on the front leg and it was a i don't if you remember a guy named uh ed bavillac i think his name was kim akai he's in australia he was a sit -yotong guy too he i remember that name yeah man he was like you know i remember back in the day he was one of the first guys in the area to have a pair of moitai shorts and he was training with dana rosenblad joe lake yeah yeah remember that whole crew it's funny because we have similar backgrounds in marshallots in terms of boston it was the only the only we never ran into each other back then but i think you were a little bit ahead of me at the time i think i was a Probably on my way out, too.

[297] When I was starting to train with Joe Lake, I started training with Joe Lake when I was teaching in Revere.

[298] I was teaching at Nautilus Plus.

[299] Dakota's family on that joint.

[300] Yeah, so I was teaching Taekwondo there.

[301] That's right.

[302] Joe Lake was lifting weights over there.

[303] And Joe Lake came in.

[304] He saw we had heavy bags and the whole setup.

[305] And then he started talking to me and asking me questions.

[306] And we made a deal.

[307] where he would teach me how to box and I would teach him how to kick.

[308] And so he came over and we started doing some, you know, some mitt work and doing some things.

[309] Then I started working with him and Dana Rosenblatt.

[310] That's right.

[311] And Dana was only, he was in high school at the time.

[312] Yeah, I went to Malden Catholic with him.

[313] Yeah.

[314] I think I was 20 and I think Dana was 18.

[315] Yeah.

[316] 17, 18, something like that.

[317] He began his career as a kickbox.

[318] That's right.

[319] He began his career as a kickbox and there was no money in it.

[320] He was doing well with his hands.

[321] So Joe Lake took over.

[322] I convinced him to stop.

[323] kickboxing and he convinced me to stop fighting from sparring with each other and he went on to sell real estate I think he does that now he's like successful in real estate.

[324] He had a really successful boxing career too.

[325] He stopped Terry Norris who's the guy who used to be the boxing coach Howard Davis Jr. He stopped him.

[326] Remember him?

[327] He used to the boxing coach at ATT.

[328] Yep, I know exactly talking about him.

[329] He beat some good guys.

[330] He beat some real good fighters.

[331] He was a south paw too wasn't he?

[332] Yeah.

[333] Yeah.

[334] He's a tough kid.

[335] But he also, came up, you know, one of the things that I've said about, one of the things that I learned for my kickboxing training was how dangerous it is to Meathead Spar.

[336] And all we did was meathead spar.

[337] Well, back then, that's, we, I mean, it started off with like, you know, me and my brother with, like, you know, hockey helmets and hockey gloves and trying that out.

[338] And then little by little, it was like, all right, well, you know, get into a gym and stop boxing.

[339] Yeah.

[340] Man, I remember the first time I went to a boxing gym and like the Boston area man it was on back then you went to a boxing gym and I remember literally like my coach setting up for sparring at like a boxing club he's like right you realize like you're the new guy I was like yeah he's like yeah like they all know each other they don't know you like you like you got a big target on you back and I remember like the night before like I would go spa it like felt like a fight and I was like I'm in a fight and I'd get to the gym and it was on dude back then it was like it was extremely unintelligent you know But that's, we were cavemen at the time.

[341] That's all we knew.

[342] I remember, you know, there were holes in the walls that, like, Rich Vassopoli's different.

[343] People get knocked back and the sheet rock was like back down.

[344] You remember that?

[345] The sheet rock.

[346] Crazy, man. We didn't know any better, though, at the time.

[347] Well, I started, I knew Rich Vassopoli from Dana.

[348] I became friends with Dana.

[349] We started training together.

[350] And then we would sometimes train over at Rich's place.

[351] And that was when I got introduced into Muay Thai.

[352] Because one of Dana's friends had gone to Thailand.

[353] And he had done some training over there in.

[354] come back and and that's when I realized like how effective leg kicks were like I'd never been leg kicked before except by accident yeah and then once I realized like shins to thigh like what how much damage that does and how easy there was two revelations that happened to me one was how easy it was for me to get punched in the face that was when I first started boxing from a traditional martial arts background taekwondo yeah taekwondo is so delusional yeah because you started off in tycoondo as well too you couldn't punch to the face so you had a very distorted perception of what you could get away within a fight where there was no rules.

[355] You just had this real, and so...

[356] I had the same reality check.

[357] Yeah.

[358] So boxing alone was not good.

[359] Kickboxing was better because I could create some distance, but it was still way easier than I liked to get punched in the face.

[360] But then Muay was a big one.

[361] Because the moment you take that first leg kick and you feel the thud and you're like, oh shit.

[362] It's that easy?

[363] It's that easy to diminish me. Like almost instantaneously, you're diminished.

[364] I feel it as you're talking about it.

[365] I took a low kick from Peter Ertz in Thailand.

[366] Oh, no. And oddly enough, another trip was, who was it?

[367] He's so big.

[368] Oh, dude.

[369] Oh, no. Bro, I'm telling you, I thought my femur fucking cracked in half never felt pain like that.

[370] From Peter or from Pedro?

[371] Both at different times.

[372] Pedro's the scariest guy I've ever seen kick a bag.

[373] I've never seen anybody kick a bag so hard.

[374] I agree, man. I trained with him a little bit in Thailand.

[375] Back in the day, we used to train him.

[376] at a gym called ISS, which was like a takeoff of like Sittatong, like a, we sold some fighters and some trainers to a friend of Koreatongs.

[377] And we would train on the roof of this building on like Sukumvit Highway in like the sun with like a canopy like above us.

[378] It was pretty, pretty rough.

[379] But Peter Ertz was there training at the time and Pedro Hizzo came through there.

[380] And I mean, I was a lot smaller than them, obviously.

[381] But dude, why did they spar with them?

[382] They're heavyweeds.

[383] Because I'm retarded, dude.

[384] fucking stupid because it was the opportunity man they're like oh we need guys no i was actually helping someone else another one of my stablemates get ready and he just happened to be there and he's like oh man let's move around a little bit and i was like this is probably not a good idea but it's an honor you know what i'm partially proud of getting kicked in the leg by those guys but i i probably shouldn't have done that you know dude what's worse though nowadays that you see is the calf kicks more damage from those man yeah there's no meat down there dude i'll take the kicks all day long on the thigh now, man, those tendat tender area.

[385] Like, I remember losing a fight in Thailand.

[386] I didn't really have an extensive career as a fight, but I did have some quality fights and that were very, that were valuable lessons to me. And I remember I was blocking wrong.

[387] You know, the whole, every time he low kicked, I would block and I would take it right where the calf kick goes, like on the low part of the shin.

[388] And I was pointing my toes down.

[389] It's always controversy of toes down, toes up.

[390] I always teach toes up to flex the shin muscle, to flex the muscle around the shin bone.

[391] And I was, um, I was, was blocking wrong and I'll never forget that man I was bedridden from blocking kicks the wrong way and it was that same area where there's like you said there's no how long we bedridden for two weeks probably I remember like trying to go to like it was in Thailand I came back from Thailand dude it was a rough flight like oh it was awesome great lots of pain medication for that flight but I remember literally like after some of the fights like that I've had you know I was literally bedridden like couldn't go to like family barbecues and shit like just like dude I can't get up.

[392] Well, it's one of those kicks in the UFC that we've seen emerge over the last few years.

[393] And I always give credit to Benson Henderson for being the first guy to start doing it.

[394] It's funny you say that because I threw a layup to Annick, like the last show.

[395] And I was like, but maybe we might.

[396] Anne's like, yeah, I'm not mentioning that name.

[397] Benson Henderson?

[398] No, I mean, you know, for, because he's over in Bell to now?

[399] Correct.

[400] I mean, it is what it is, you know?

[401] That's crazy.

[402] That's so crazy.

[403] Jay, A. You got to give it up to Benson.

[404] Dude, I said it.

[405] I said, man, you know, just a quick tip, like a little fun fact.

[406] You know, Benson Henderson's a guy that really kicked that off, you know, for lack of a better term.

[407] And he's like, yeah, copy that.

[408] I was like, yeah, I'm not going to mention that name.

[409] I was like, all right, cool.

[410] Respect.

[411] I get it.

[412] I get it.

[413] You got to do what you got to do to stay alive in this world.

[414] He was.

[415] Exactly.

[416] We got to eat, you know.

[417] He was the first, though.

[418] But he didn't have the same effectiveness for whatever reason that these guys do now.

[419] Yeah.

[420] There's guys now that are doing it where you see like one kick.

[421] in the guy's fucked yep absolutely yeah and it's such a lower risk for the takedown too because you just you're not traveling that far you know the high you kick the more risk for the takedown it just seems awful you know like the legs just immediately stop working right i've had a few of my athletes suffer some serious trauma from those kicks and fights man it's not and you can't really prep for those you really can't like it's just all about managing distance you know control in the range because you you can't really check it it's too low to check and you can't condition it no not at all.

[422] There's nothing to really do with it other than just like I said, you've got to manage distance properly.

[423] So you just either way in or way out.

[424] But in that middle, like you get kicked like that, man, ouchy.

[425] What are your thoughts on this Robert Whitaker kick?

[426] I mean, I call it the Robert Whitaker kick because Yowell Romero fucked him up with it in their first fight, that sidekick to the knee.

[427] Oh, I'll refer to it as to John Jones, really.

[428] John Jones, one of the first ones used that.

[429] It's actually illegal in some commissions, right?

[430] Is it I think it's illegal.

[431] I don't know.

[432] It's illegal in some, some commissions don't allow it because of the danger of, like, attacking the joint.

[433] I have a hard time accepting that because it's okay to attack your fucking face.

[434] Why is it okay for me to kick you in the face, but it's not okay for me to kick you in the knee?

[435] That doesn't make any sense.

[436] Well, they say that, you know, and even in Thai boxing, you're not so supposed to deliberately attack the joint.

[437] Yeah, like, John is, John's a master at.

[438] It's actually, in G. In G. Kundo on the A Philosophy of Bruce, they believe they call it like a, it's a kung fu kick.

[439] It's called a dumb tech, I believe.

[440] Well, the way Winklejohn started teaching it and, you know, way his students started doing it was the oblique style.

[441] Yes.

[442] And but then they started doing that sidekick style too.

[443] Like that oblique style is very interesting.

[444] Yeah.

[445] Why's my face in there?

[446] It's, uh, I think that, um, in my opinion, it's, it's a super, super effective technique.

[447] And to take it out doesn't make any sense to me if you still allow heel hooks.

[448] Yeah.

[449] And he still allow.

[450] I mean, especially since you allow kicks to the fucking head.

[451] Yeah, true.

[452] I'm a fan of the kick.

[453] You know, I'm not against it.

[454] I appreciate it.

[455] One of the things I tell fighters all the time is that if you're going to do anything, if you're going to kick me, if you're going to punch me, if you're going to try to take me down anything, the first thing you need to do is take that step with that lead leg.

[456] So if you, and this is something Bruce Lee talked about in his art and philosophy, but it's always disruption, disrupting that lead leg, stopping that lead leg.

[457] And the ties use it all time.

[458] A lot of times, you know, that teep, the front kick, they teep the leg a lot.

[459] It's not always taught, like a lot of people overlook it, but I'm a huge fan of attacking that front leg, like teeping the front leg or sidekick in the front leg.

[460] So the first thing they need to do to close distance is take that step.

[461] Well, anything also to create another variable that the fighter has to think about as they're moving in.

[462] You know, anything that stops them.

[463] The worst thing you could ever do with a fighter is give him something that's real clear and easy to plan for.

[464] You do the same technique over and over again.

[465] He can time it.

[466] You have the same predictable series of movements.

[467] He can time it.

[468] That's why a guy like Dominic Cruz is so difficult to deal with.

[469] because Dominic, like, good luck to do that.

[470] He starts shuffling his feet.

[471] He's lefty, righty.

[472] Swinging from the hips.

[473] That's actually a good impression.

[474] Oh, he's so awkward.

[475] That he is, man. But he makes it work for him.

[476] And the key thing with him, too, and that it's difficult to do that oblique kick or that front stop kick is the lateral movement.

[477] If you're going straight in all the time and you're walking straight into that, you're going to be susceptible.

[478] Dominic's always stepping off to the side.

[479] Whether he's the left or right, he's always creating an angle, which is huge in combat.

[480] You know who does that oblique kick?

[481] fucking better than anybody Lorenz Larkin Yes Lorenz Larkin throws that shit To the body Like a sidekick It sends dudes flying Remember when he fought Neil Magnin Yes I do I was like what Dude he's a stud that guy He's clean I watched him warm up I think he fought In the Boston show I think at the time I was training Yeah look at this Look how he throws that shit to the body Dude he's a stud man I don't know why he wasn't as successful As he could have been Or it should have been Well here's what happened He went over to Belvoir and he immediately fought Lima.

[482] Okay, Lima's a fucking monster.

[483] He loses a decision to Lima.

[484] Then he gets into a slug fest with Paul Motherfucking Daley, who might have the best left hook to worlds ever known.

[485] Danger.

[486] For MMA.

[487] I mean, you don't want to take away of boxers.

[488] Beasts.

[489] But that fucking left hook he's got.

[490] It's just insane.

[491] Dude, I met him back in the day.

[492] We used to, the first time I went over to London, we did a show called Cage Rage.

[493] And I took Jorge Rivera over there.

[494] Great fights over the cage.

[495] Yeah, it was awesome.

[496] And Paul Bailey, Michael Bisping, Anderson Silva.

[497] We played that the other day.

[498] Did you really?

[499] Because Jorge was just teeing off on him from the clinch.

[500] And Anderson was just taking it on the chin.

[501] Want to hear a funny story?

[502] Yeah.

[503] I see Anderson.

[504] All I can see is like George's got his back to me. Jorge's got us back to me. And so they're pummel in the center of the cage and they're kind of in a tie clinch.

[505] And George is throwing vicious uppercuts, vicious uppercuts, and overhands and uppercuts.

[506] And he was a knockout striker.

[507] He was a knockout striker.

[508] He was, man. He had thunder in his hands.

[509] And he's throwing like these big bombs over the top.

[510] everything and all I can see because George's backs to me I can't see Anderson's face all I can see his head bobbling you know taking the hits I'm like yeah yeah go go go and then over George's shoulder I see Anderson's face and he's laughing at George I'm like fuck and then he just blitzed him how did he do that did he roll with them slightly like what did he do dude I think it's it's all a matter of like you know using your shoulders to protect impact you know shrugging so to say the first first thing is bite the first line of defense bite down second mind of defense, brace your neck, you know, and he just, dude, he means got a fucking pumpkin head.

[511] He's got a big dome, dude.

[512] Well, I mean, but you stop and think about later in his career, he couldn't take those kind of shots.

[513] Yeah, they add up after a while, like this.

[514] But back in the day, man, I remember coming into that, you know, I had followed Moitai.

[515] I'd followed shoot box.

[516] I'd follow, you know, Pele, those guys.

[517] So I knew Anderson Silva.

[518] A lot of people like, oh, was this guy, Anderson Silva, he's coming over.

[519] A lot of people didn't know him.

[520] So I knew what we would get into.

[521] I knew what type of fight it was.

[522] But the funny thing is when he came to the UFC, remember he debuted i was there at the hot rock at the joint against chris levin and everybody's like oh dude the bet's like i was like i saw the odds at like the mandolin i was like dude i'm all over this dude what was the bet what was it was just something crazy i forget at the time but like it was they had leban like like being like the favorite oh i was like dude nobody knows him oh my god i knew him yeah i knew him too man i remember during the promo one of the things i said is you got to be ready for this guy this is this is a different animal you experience same with rich franklin man i i i i Rich is my boy.

[523] Love your Rich, but, you know, I bet the fucking house on that.

[524] And I did really well because the odds would just, everybody thought Rich was just going to steamroll him, you know, and Anderson.

[525] Well, particularly because Rich was a stand -up fighter, primarily.

[526] And he had a ground game.

[527] And he was on top at the time.

[528] I mean, he was way on top.

[529] But Anderson was just on a whole different level coming into the mixed martial arts, coming into the UFC, is just on a whole different level.

[530] Especially the style that Chris Leibon had.

[531] His style was so perfectly tailored for Anderson's style.

[532] Walk forward, throw bombs.

[533] Anderson's like a smooth retreating defensive fighter.

[534] These came from Thailand.

[535] Pretty cool.

[536] I had them shipped over.

[537] Pretty dope, right?

[538] Yeah, they are.

[539] Chinese, I believe.

[540] Are they?

[541] Yeah, they're not Thai, I think.

[542] Damn.

[543] They're more of a Chinese.

[544] You're like, damn.

[545] They got me. They got me. They just look dope.

[546] More of a Chinese influence.

[547] No, they are dope, man. Thailand was sick, huh?

[548] Loved it, man. Yeah, man. I love it.

[549] Cage rage was an interesting place because there was a, that was a wild west of fights.

[550] Remember when Lee Murray fought Anderson Silva?

[551] Yep.

[552] I do.

[553] They almost got into a brawl at the wayans.

[554] Dude, Lee Murray, apparently, like, when I started going over there, they were like, I'll leave my eyes like, yeah, everybody's a gangster.

[555] No, no, no, no, no, no. This motherfucker is real gangster.

[556] Like, he used to deliver, like, ticket sales, like money from ticket sales and like a black, like, leather, like, duffel bag just stacked with fucking pounds.

[557] I'm just like, who is this guy?

[558] And the promoters, Dave and Andy, I think, at the time, we're like, no, Mike, he's a legit gangster.

[559] And I was like, whoa.

[560] Do you remember when he got stacked?

[561] in the heart in a knife fight and then was training six weeks later.

[562] I do.

[563] I do remember that.

[564] I don't recall details, but I do remember something to that effect.

[565] London shoe fighters, our good buddy Marius, was training at 10th planet Jiu -Jitsu.

[566] He came to L .A. to learn Jiu -Jitsu, and he was one of the head guys over at London Shoe Fighter.

[567] So I got to get in with those guys.

[568] Yep.

[569] I'm familiar with the camp.

[570] Before all that shit was going on.

[571] And he was telling me about Lee Murray, like way early.

[572] like back in 2000.

[573] You know, so it was way early, way back in the early days.

[574] It's so funny too because I, somebody brought it to my attention like, dude, did you see Lee Murray's fucking palace in Morocco?

[575] Like he took the money and ran, bro.

[576] He made it, he made it.

[577] He had a poster of Jorge.

[578] Listen, it's a mural.

[579] A mural.

[580] It's like a 30 by 30 foot fucking mural.

[581] Something like on his wall.

[582] And he's putting the arm bar on George Rivera.

[583] Yeah.

[584] And on the back of Georgia's shorts, there's a big sit -yotong dot com.

[585] I'm like, fuck, the only time I didn't want to plug.

[586] Well, he caught him in a triangle, right?

[587] Was it a triangle?

[588] Yeah, triangle or I'm like, that came, you know, that came on, that was unexpected, you know.

[589] But, you know, it was tough, man. You know, George was a very emotional fighter.

[590] You know, he was, he had a rough upbringing with his family.

[591] You know, he's very connected to his family.

[592] And, you know, it was a roller coaster working with that dude, man. But he was my first, man. You never forget you first, right?

[593] Yeah.

[594] He was a great dude, man. He had talent.

[595] He sure did, man. He did well, man. If you go back and look, like, he fought, like, the who's who's of, like, the UFC, like, that everybody he fought was legit.

[596] He had, he had, he, there was never a dull moment of any fights that George had, you know.

[597] He had a good run for a while there.

[598] It was the early days, too.

[599] Dude, I remember we were in, uh, when we first started doing just, that's funny.

[600] There's another, there's another picture, too.

[601] It's a weird, it's a weird mural, too, because this guy, like, go large on that again.

[602] Yeah, there's another one, too.

[603] Because, like, the proportions are off.

[604] Yeah.

[605] So whoever did it was kind of, horrible artist.

[606] He's kind of a shit artist.

[607] He might have actually done that himself.

[608] But I love to.

[609] He might actually fucking had someone come in and put some numbers up and fucking paint by numbers.

[610] The old UFC logo.

[611] He's got the Mandalay Bay logo.

[612] That's hilarious.

[613] See, it's got him getting him in the triangle.

[614] But look at like at the one when he's flexing.

[615] Like that's not even the same dude.

[616] Like, look, they added all this extra meat to his lats and his lower triceps area.

[617] I've seen another one too.

[618] He might have a few in his fucking house of him murals.

[619] of himself looking so ridiculous what is the one mirror why why one image of the two of them clinching like what look at that how bizarre like why put that picture in his squads are yoked up though moroccan dude yeah look i'm a big fan of clinch we put the clinch in i want the mandalay bale scale that's hilarious you i make your arms bigger and then when you get him in a triangle i put make you tan it's like he's got different skin come i know he's not just gonna say he's not even the same tan He's a different guy.

[620] That's hilarious.

[621] Yeah.

[622] Is that his place?

[623] So he's still in the pokey.

[624] For people who don't know, Lee Murray was a part of one of the biggest armed robberies, I think the biggest in the history of the UK.

[625] Yeah.

[626] Huge money they made away with.

[627] Millions and millions of dollars.

[628] Yeah.

[629] And some of it's still missing.

[630] Millions of pounds, I think.

[631] There he is.

[632] There you go out with a fucking mask on like Hannibal Lecter.

[633] Yeah.

[634] I remember that walk.

[635] 53 million pounds.

[636] Imagine that.

[637] Pound.

[638] It's 53.

[639] What's the conversion on that?

[640] that's ridiculous money yeah that's crazy yeah it's hard to tell like at the time we would have to go back yeah yeah yeah exactly yeah it was but a fuck a lot of money yeah and i think a lot of it's still missing but yeah they had like ninja masks on they were dressed like they're in that movie heat how did they i thought there was no extradition like from morocco that's why he fled they ended up extraditing him though i don't know what happened but yeah i thought that too wasn't that where barter harry went to barter harry was like fuck this.

[641] I'm out.

[642] Come catch me now.

[643] But they always want to wind up leaving, so they, you know, Bader Harri, he did his time.

[644] He went over, came back and he got, Bader Harri, he got arrested for stomping a man's shin in half.

[645] Ooh.

[646] Yeah.

[647] There was some sort of a dispute in a nightclub, and Bader Harri does not play.

[648] There's a video of him walking into a hotel, and the hotel guy says something stupid to him, so he goes behind a counter and smacks him in the face.

[649] Imagine that guy.

[650] It's my hotel.

[651] He's a fucking giant, too.

[652] He's like 6 '5, World Heavyweight kickboxing champion, and a ferocious, terrifying man who fucks up grown -ass people.

[653] Yeah, here's a video.

[654] Yeah, I don't know what the guy said, but Bader Harwood was like, what, excuse me?

[655] What the fuck did you just say?

[656] It just goes behind the counter.

[657] You probably said some shit like, welcome to the Marriott.

[658] Yeah.

[659] We're going to have to see a credit card.

[660] It's like, look, he gets right behind the counter.

[661] He smacks him in the back of the head.

[662] Yeah.

[663] And the way he did it, it's like super dangerous.

[664] Super scary you're looking too.

[665] He, like, stalks him, walks him down, staring out.

[666] And he smacked him very dismissively.

[667] He wasn't, like, worried about a counter.

[668] Yeah, exactly.

[669] He, like, smacked him like a little kid in the back of the head.

[670] He hit him with the tips of his fingers.

[671] He was just like, hey, hey, what the fuck are you talking to?

[672] Asian, man, you know?

[673] You got to pick and choose your battles wisely, man. If I saw Batahari walking towards me and, like, hello, sir.

[674] Yeah.

[675] How can I help you?

[676] Yeah, what may I do for you?

[677] Credit card.

[678] That's not necessary.

[679] Your sweet is ready.

[680] Can I get your bags?

[681] Champagne will be brought up to the room.

[682] Oh, he's Muslim.

[683] He probably doesn't drink, right?

[684] No, probably not.

[685] I don't know.

[686] He's a beast, man. His coffee's good.

[687] He's supposed to be on his way back, right?

[688] He fought Rico Verhoeven, and he broke his arm in, like, some freak incident in the first round.

[689] He's breaking shin bones, breaking arms.

[690] I think he broke, no, he broke his arm.

[691] Like, he fought Rico, and I think he was blocking a kick, and his arm just broke.

[692] And he realized it somewhere in the middle of the round.

[693] He's like, we've got to stop.

[694] Like, he's just like, this is broken.

[695] Who just broke the around recently during the fight?

[696] Was it, um, what's it, Paul Felder?

[697] Yeah, Felder did with the spinning backfuss.

[698] I saw it coming, man. Yeah.

[699] That fucking spinning back, you always read the spin kicks.

[700] Like, no matter how many angles I have in that fucking truck, no matter what I'm looking at, as much experience as, you know, I have, like, you read the spin shit, like, you see it coming a mile away.

[701] Is it just because you have so much experience, like, with the spin kick?

[702] shit dude that was your shit but you see it like a lot of times you're like he's setting up that spin well guys load up their hips you know i mean that was my number one technique from when i was fighting was spinning back kick to the body yeah i just knew that it was such a short amount of time that i needed to deliver it and if you were in range and i hit you you're fuchsville so i knew there was just like this we've we've laughed about this before because i tell you like i've never held for a kick as hard as you i was and i was like ah come on dude don't honeydick me you bullshit me bro it's not fun holding pads few there's times like where you're texting me and i'm just like fuck fuck don't return the text here don't go don't go to syndicate or don't go to performance institute hold pads for jo dude i remember one time i held pads few and uh i remember literally like i couldn't grip a coffee mug to like drink my forearms was so trashed remember that night pushing talk back buttons on the truck at the truck and i was like fatiged just my fingers wouldn't function bro i'm telling you no bullshit i've held for a lot of guys I've held for a lot of fighters a lot of big guys small guys I've never held even that's a round kick that's not even some spin shit that you do like just the basic Thai round kick bro nasty nasty nasty you did it on that machine too didn't you what were the numbers on it something silly like well there's a guy who's figured out how to beat my number he yeah yeah a guy at the performance institute I got 152000 and the dude got 188000 and what he realized is if you hit it with the instep, the numbers larger than if you hit it with the shin.

[703] I got to hit it with the instep, but I'm healing a slight meniscus tear that I got when I was doing it with Joe Schilling with no warm -up wearing jeans.

[704] That was fucking asshole.

[705] At 50 years old, full blast kick, no warm -up.

[706] That's that dick measuring testosterone.

[707] I'm like, what?

[708] We're hanging out, and we're having a good time, and Joe Schillings here, and he's kicking that thing.

[709] Game on.

[710] Yeah, and he got some pretty good numbers.

[711] He was smashing it.

[712] He's a mean dude.

[713] I love that, dude.

[714] I love that.

[715] He's a sweetheart, though, man. You know, he's such a cool guy, dude.

[716] Yeah.

[717] But he's fucking terrifying.

[718] Well, I was talking to someone about him, and they were saying that he's, like, one of the most risk -taking elite fighters you'll ever see.

[719] Like, he's a real elite kickboxer, but he's been knocked out before and stopped before just because he's so, he's not risk averse.

[720] Yeah.

[721] He'll take big risks.

[722] But it's one of the reasons why he's so fucking exciting.

[723] Yep, exactly.

[724] I was just going to say the same thing.

[725] That's what they've, that's what the fans want to see, man. Yeah, I want to see conservatives, you know, trying to...

[726] He's a fan favorite for sure.

[727] You can't stop crazy.

[728] Yeah, you can't stop crazy.

[729] That whole way of looking at things and his whole motto.

[730] That's why I like the, you know, the bonuses with the UFC and all that, you know, Dana putting that together.

[731] You know, I remember back in the day, like, one of the early fighter meetings that, like, you know, we do the way -ins.

[732] And then Dana would be like, all right, fighters only, backstage, you know, they do fighters only.

[733] No coaches, no corners.

[734] And Dana's like, yeah, you know, game plan, you know, strategy?

[735] Fuck all that.

[736] Just go for it.

[737] Like, you want to get paid?

[738] Go.

[739] And one of the examples he would use is Chris Lytle.

[740] Remember Chris Lytle?

[741] He had like a losing record in the UFC, but he just went for it every time and would bonus all the time, you know.

[742] So I wouldn't give that speech.

[743] I'd give a very different speech.

[744] What would your best fight?

[745] Fight the way you're supposed to fight.

[746] That was the message, but the idea was don't, don't, you know, leave it out there.

[747] Don't be conservative.

[748] You could leave it out there if you want.

[749] Your opponent might not.

[750] You know, this is the thing.

[751] I don't think, I don't, Fighting is very important to me. It means a lot.

[752] It means a lot because I used to do it.

[753] It means a lot because I love to watch it.

[754] It means a lot because I'm very deeply entrenched in the history and the significance of it, what it means.

[755] And for me, fighting should always be done at its best.

[756] And what that means is you should always do what's the right thing to do in the situation.

[757] Like, if you're, you know, you can break it down with individual arts, right?

[758] If you're doing Jiu -Jitsu, there's a correct way to do an arm bar counter, right?

[759] Don't do the incorrect way because the fans want to see it.

[760] That doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah, exactly.

[761] If there's an exciting way to get out of an arm bar that's not the right way to do it, but the fans like it.

[762] But it might, well, pick them up and slam them works if you have to, but I'm saying, like, just as a rough example, if there was a way to defend an arm bar that wasn't the correct way to do it, but the fans liked it more.

[763] don't do that don't do that you want to fight like a maestro you want to fight like like a virtuoso you want to fight like mighty mouse there you go exactly so what i tell everybody you look at might mighty mouse has had moments in his career like the ian mccall fight is a good example where he was he also had a full -time job wasn't dedicated the way should be and got into a brawl and ian took his back want to pound him and mighty mouse had vertigo after that fight he was really fucked up and then quit his job, realize, like, I have to go full -time.

[764] I have to dedicate myself to this full -time.

[765] You know, and when he did that, then under the tutelage of Matt Hume, he became the Mighty Mouse we see now.

[766] But in my opinion, one of the things that sets him apart from everybody else is that he's not running away from you and not getting hit.

[767] He's running at you and not getting hit.

[768] I mean, he's coming straight forward and then cutting angles and doing things to you that you didn't anticipate and he's not there for the counters.

[769] So he's fighting correctly.

[770] Seamless too.

[771] Yeah, and it's incredibly exciting.

[772] And that was one of the criticisms of him really early on in his reign was that he wasn't finishing guys.

[773] And then he knocked out Joseph Benavides and then he started finishing guys in the final seconds of the round.

[774] Right.

[775] You know, I mean, he's just a monster man. He is, man. He's a fucking monster.

[776] But he fights correctly.

[777] I would say, don't, no disrespect.

[778] to Chris Lytle, who I love, he's a great fighter.

[779] I was just watching his fight against Brian Foster.

[780] He was so skilled.

[781] People forgot how good Chris Lytle was.

[782] He won that fight with a leg lock.

[783] You know, and he's known as a brawler.

[784] And people forget, he fucking spun around, got that leg, and snatched it out and extended it and really fuck Brian's leg up.

[785] Yeah, crafty veteran here.

[786] He was a crafty guy, but brawled a lot.

[787] I'm not a fan of, I'm a fan of watching brawls when they take place.

[788] I'm not a fan as well either.

[789] I mean, I'm more of a fan of, and I train a lot of my guys, like, almost defensively, like, backing up, like, retreat fighting, you know, constantly trying to jockey for position.

[790] I call it, like, right place, right time, all the time, and that line of fire, you know, we're jockeying for that position, you know, and it's a lot of times it's easier just to take a step back.

[791] If we're fighting each other, we're standing in front of each other, I take a step back.

[792] What do you naturally do?

[793] You walk to me. Right.

[794] So it's the timing of catching them on the way in, and guys like, you know, great fighters, in my opinion, are more, like, defensive.

[795] is.

[796] Like you said earlier about Chris Lieben coming in with Anderson Silva, Forrest Griffin trying to attack.

[797] Like, you're more vulnerable, like, recklessly, like you said, like brawling, recklessly coming in against somebody skilled as Anderson Silver or Demetrius Johnson, you know.

[798] So I'm a fan of the retreating attack, I call it.

[799] Anderson was such a retreating attacker.

[800] Then he had a problem when guys didn't come forward.

[801] Right, exactly.

[802] Like the stinkers that he had, like Talas Laitis.

[803] Talae, so painful to watch those fights.

[804] Patrick Cote.

[805] Patrick Cote was very smart when he fought him.

[806] Patrick took very little damage in that.

[807] I camped him that whole fight.

[808] I trained him that whole fight.

[809] I had the experience from Jorge.

[810] I knew Anderson Silva.

[811] You know, he spent that entire camp in Boston with me. He did have a knee injury going into the fight.

[812] We knew like it was going to be an issue.

[813] But, you know, I actually said this to him part of the game plan and strategy.

[814] It's funny you say that was to let him come to you.

[815] Like everybody, because Patrick was the type of fighter that was a go -getter.

[816] He had that big overhand right.

[817] You know, he would put pressure on you.

[818] And I said, Patrick, I'm telling you, you can't fight the way you normally fight.

[819] against Anderson Silva.

[820] Even if you hear booze, we're following the game plan.

[821] You know, if you hear the booze from the crowd, like we're doing doing the right thing, don't fall victim to it, don't try to lunge at him, don't throw big power punches, let him come to you.

[822] And we did.

[823] And that was actually the first time we took Anderson past a third round, I think, was he the third of the, we're actually going into the fourth, I think, when that happened.

[824] And he was stepping in to throw a kick and his leg blew out.

[825] Exactly, yeah.

[826] I cornered it.

[827] I was in Chicago.

[828] I cornered Did he get an MRI before that fight?

[829] I think, if I remember correctly, he had an issue.

[830] We knew going into it.

[831] We didn't want to pull out of the fight.

[832] How bad was the issue?

[833] It was pretty severe.

[834] And after it, I think that was just the icing of the kick.

[835] It blew out completely during the fight.

[836] So he had a partial tear of his ACL?

[837] Something like that, something to that effect.

[838] Bring up that fight, Jamie.

[839] I'm curious now to see it.

[840] It was a weird blowout because there was like a lot of distance between them.

[841] Yeah, I was just going to say it was like it wasn't during an exchange.

[842] I think, like you said, he went to push off his back foot.

[843] I don't know.

[844] Be curious to see it.

[845] It's been a while.

[846] since I visited that.

[847] Yeah, I just remember not knowing what happened and he fell down.

[848] Yeah, you called that flight, obviously, right?

[849] Yeah, that was before.

[850] What's that?

[851] Patrick Cotee Anderson Silva.

[852] Yeah.

[853] From probably 2000, what was that, nine?

[854] Maybe a little later, yeah, maybe nine or ten, yeah.

[855] Dude, it's a blur at this point.

[856] I know.

[857] It's a blur, dude.

[858] I've done like 400 Joe's.

[859] Was it?

[860] Yeah, that makes sense.

[861] Yeah, see, that was a while ago, yeah.

[862] Wow, man. That was the rain.

[863] That was when Anderson.

[864] He was the king, but people didn't appreciate him the way they appreciated him after he knocked out Forrest Griffin, Stefan Bonner, after Vitor Belford, that front kick to the face.

[865] That's when he became the goat.

[866] Dude, he was like literally feared.

[867] Like I think a lot of fighters are just like, ah, that call came and it was like, Anders and Tilley, like, fuck.

[868] Well, he was also so calm.

[869] Yeah.

[870] You know, there was something about him in those days.

[871] He was so calm.

[872] Dude, I used to always say this, and I told Jorge this at his cage rage fight with him.

[873] I said, dude, he beats people at the way -ins.

[874] He's like, what do you mean here?

[875] He's like, what do you mean?

[876] He has this thing, it's funny.

[877] Like, when he goes to weigh in with you, like, you know, normally, like, people go, like, face to face.

[878] They get real close.

[879] Like, he would walk up to you as if you're going to go.

[880] And then he would thrust his neck forward.

[881] Like, his head would, like, fucking gadget head, like, would come out.

[882] And he would just be all up in your face.

[883] And it would, like, surprise you.

[884] Like, you know, and I told Jorge that.

[885] I said, Jorge, be ready at the way in.

[886] Like, he's going to put his face.

[887] Like, he's going to cover distance quickly.

[888] like he moves his head like fucking shenayne like he's like oh no you didn't and he puts his head like way out and he did it and i was like oh man there it is well that was one of the ways that chris leban uh overcame him psychologically at the wayans i remember chris saying i'm not afraid of you yeah he was looking right at him and he said i'm not afraid of you and he probably wasn't man he wasn't afraid of him he wasn't afraid of him that was chris when he was in his prime and that's when they were kissing at the way end when anderson got so close to his face They were literally lip to lip.

[889] And Chris didn't budge.

[890] Somebody just spoke of something about him fighting in that Bare Knuckle League or something against Phil Barone or something like that.

[891] Who?

[892] Chris Lieben versus Phil Brom.

[893] Chris Leban.

[894] But I said Chris Weidman.

[895] Oh, Weidman.

[896] Wyden.

[897] I did say Weidman, right?

[898] No. Leibon, I thought.

[899] Did I say Weedman?

[900] Weedman.

[901] Did I say Wyden or Leibon?

[902] Leibon.

[903] Okay, I might have fucked up.

[904] Chris Weidman.

[905] When Weidman beat him.

[906] Oh, yeah, he beat him at the.

[907] They got face to face.

[908] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[909] And he said, yeah, I'm not afraid.

[910] He said, I'm not afraid to you.

[911] And when he was looking at, right out, I was, I'm not afraid of you, bro.

[912] And then you could tell Anderson's like, oh, shit, he's not afraid of that.

[913] Yeah, and see what happened that night.

[914] He got tagged, man. Well, what's interesting in that fight, too, was that Anderson could, I mean, he was clearly scoring with heavy leg kicks and putting Lieben in jeopardy.

[915] I mean, he was damaging that leg.

[916] Say, Lieben, I said it again.

[917] Said it again.

[918] What's wrong with me?

[919] Why am I confusing those two?

[920] They're both Chris.

[921] Fuck it.

[922] Talk about him.

[923] I should just say Chris.

[924] Yeah, just say Chris Chris.

[925] Chris Chris.

[926] When Wyedman got him down the first round, almost got him in a leg lock.

[927] Yep.

[928] And then they got back up to the feet and Anderson started fucking him up with leg kicks.

[929] And Anderson was hitting it with some nasty, nasty leg kicks.

[930] And he was saying in between rounds like, come on, stand up with me. Yeah.

[931] Come on, stand up with me. It was weird.

[932] It was weird that he was doing that.

[933] Like it was totally out of character.

[934] Yeah.

[935] He's like, no, no, we're not going to go to the house.

[936] Come on, stand up, stand up.

[937] He had some funky moments in the yachty.

[938] I remember he'd done the fucking enbach moving his hands all funky and like...

[939] Against the Vitor before he...

[940] Breakdancing and shit.

[941] Like, remember there was a couple of fights.

[942] Well, the fight with Damien Maya was the weirdest because he fell...

[943] That's the one I'm referring to, yeah.

[944] Psychologically fell apart in that fight.

[945] Yeah.

[946] He was screaming at Damien Maya and yelling things at him.

[947] And Damien Myers is still plugging away.

[948] Yeah.

[949] He took a lot of shots in that fight, but then was there, third, fourth, and fifth when Anderson wasn't doing shit.

[950] Yeah.

[951] Anderson was just like moving away.

[952] Was that the fight?

[953] There was one fight, too, where he was like in the center of the octagon control and beating and I was, I forget who it was.

[954] It might have been the Damiena.

[955] It might have been somebody else.

[956] But he actually stopped and stepped back and put his back to the fence and say, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on.

[957] Come on, come on.

[958] That's right.

[959] And that's when he got caught with a spinning elbow, was it?

[960] No, Stefan Bonner tried to spinning back kick him and he just slid out of the way and they went right back to the fence and went, come on.

[961] Yeah, that's what it was.

[962] And then he fucked him up.

[963] Yeah.

[964] I think he hit him with.

[965] the knee to the body and then dropped him and then and then beat the shit out of him yeah that was just he was just so calm and relaxed in there and bonner was so stiff and tight and i think that was bonner style too was it yeah i worked with stephen for a bunch of fights i didn't work with that fight i don't recall that was also a fight where um i think bonner pissed hot i think he had an opportunity yeah i think he's just like listen i got some injuries but i'm just gonna juice it up dude pissed hot is better than shit hot because when he fought sam hogar the Thomas Macarena.

[966] He fucking shit himself during the fight.

[967] Sam, Sam Hoga, I was like, bro, it's like on top and they grab him and he's like, bro, you fucking stink, you shit yourself.

[968] And he's like, yes, I did.

[969] And the worst part about it is we come backstage, you know the Thai cups, they like, the string up the butt crack.

[970] He's like, coach, get my cup.

[971] And I was like, bro, you're on your own, homie.

[972] I handed him a scissors.

[973] I was like, cut it off.

[974] Dude, I'm good.

[975] It's hilarious, dude.

[976] I got to corner, I think, for that fight with the great Carlson Gracie at the time when he was alive.

[977] That's happened several times.

[978] Dude, what was one of the fights?

[979] Dude, I'm telling you.

[980] Tim Sylvia shit himself once, hardcore.

[981] Oh, and then when we went to the Reebok uniforms and dudes were wearing white, I was like, bro, bad idea.

[982] Let's not go.

[983] No white shorts.

[984] Like, stay away from white shorts.

[985] Dark brown.

[986] I think Yuel, dude.

[987] Uel, Merida, didn't he?

[988] Yeah, I think he sharded one of his fights, too.

[989] One time Michael Kiesa, when he fought Benil Darius, right before the fight started, he leans over to me goes, dude, I might shit myself.

[990] I remember that before the walk, dude, they almost had to postpone the walk.

[991] Yeah, man. He was going to run to the bathroom before the fight started.

[992] Yeah, UFC staff.

[993] He was in the tunnel getting ready to walk.

[994] He's like, bro, I got to go the bathroom.

[995] They're like, no, no, you're good.

[996] He's going to go.

[997] Why don't they just let him go?

[998] How long could it take?

[999] I don't know, man. 30 seconds we'll cover.

[1000] Let the guy take a dump.

[1001] Right.

[1002] And then we're behind in production time, the format, fucking schedule, whatever it is.

[1003] But dude, when a man's got a shit, he's got a shit.

[1004] Here's Anderson and Patrick.

[1005] Yeah, so he's just, is this on Fight Pass?

[1006] Yeah.

[1007] This is the first round, so it didn't happen until third or fourth or whatever it was.

[1008] I think it was a third round But see Anderson was just moving around Real relaxed Didn't do much Yeah It was an interesting fight Because Cote didn't fight his normal style Yep exactly He stayed real like boxed up Oh I forgot this that Anderson had him down at one point in time Anderson's grappling's underrated too man He's a good grapple he's just long as fuck He's built to grapple too Look at this even when he was kicking it Look he just to help him up He's like, no, no, no, no, no. I think this is, his knee was already, I think we knew at this point.

[1009] He's like, my knee's jacked up, dude, my knees jacked up.

[1010] I remember him talking to me during the fight and between rounds.

[1011] But he definitely put up a fight, at least.

[1012] And at the time, nobody was even close to putting up a fight.

[1013] Well, Patrick, yeah, so it's right before then.

[1014] Patrick was super fucking dangerous.

[1015] See, this is where we said out with the first one to take him to the third round, because nobody had passed the second round with him.

[1016] Well, not only that, it was a totally uneventful three rounds.

[1017] Yeah, I agree.

[1018] It wasn't even a moment where Patrick was in trouble.

[1019] You know, and he was fighting for the title.

[1020] Yep.

[1021] Yeah, that was the main event title fight.

[1022] Patrick was always dangerous.

[1023] He always had that one bomb that could put you out.

[1024] And Anderson knew that.

[1025] You know, so he was fighting a smart strategy, but it was interesting because it kind of showed a hole in his style that his style was so counter -attacking.

[1026] Yep, yeah.

[1027] He did not walk, oh, that's crazy.

[1028] You know what he did?

[1029] He tried to lift his front foot up, almost like to fake like a front kick.

[1030] Bring that back, Jamie.

[1031] That's crazy.

[1032] He tried to pick up his front leg to fake like a T, but to fake like a front leg attack, and then he hopped on his back leg.

[1033] Yeah.

[1034] It's rough, man. Weird.

[1035] Yeah.

[1036] See, right there it is, right there.

[1037] Yikes.

[1038] He's in a lot of pain, too.

[1039] Cote is a tough dude, too, man. I see him wins and go down like that, man. So what was the issue?

[1040] Was it a meniscus issue?

[1041] I don't recall.

[1042] I'd be lying if I made some shit up right now, but I think it was something like that menaceous.

[1043] What a vulnerable joint?

[1044] That's why leg locks together shit out.

[1045] I don't recall dude I think he had issues too like he had a staff infection in his knee like repeatedly like I remember he had staff in his knee like a bunch of times so I don't know man but he uh you know his best punch too was not only his overhand right but his rear up a cut nasty nasty yeah he busted me the fuck up a bunch of times it's it was weird it's it was weird it's not like he didn't look like a strong guy yeah yeah his power was weird yeah see watch he hops up on that front leg and do you see it just give out don't Pops.

[1046] Yikes.

[1047] Dude, knees back, nasty injuries.

[1048] All those leglock motherfuckers are fucked up knees.

[1049] Eddie just had to get his meniscus fix, too.

[1050] He had a meniscus operation pretty recently.

[1051] All those guys are like, oh, yeah, he had shoulder surgery recently.

[1052] He had back surgery recently.

[1053] Yeah, back surgery a little over a year ago.

[1054] Knee surgery recently.

[1055] He's not doing that stem cell shit you're talking about, huh?

[1056] No, he hasn't.

[1057] I think he did something.

[1058] But he didn't do it with the place that I go to But it's just, you know, years and years of jujitsu It's just not good for your body Everybody that I know As much as I love jujitsu, bro, I'm telling you I sustain most of my injuries in Rowland It's almost like I can't get out of a jujitsu session Like gee or no gee without getting something tweak to something You know?

[1059] Well, I was talking the other night with some guys from Team Alpha Mail And we're talking about guys who have fake discs how many guys have had artificial discs put in their necks and in their backs it's a fucking terrifying number you keep going on and not used to like he got one too yeah he's got two in his neck like what like he's got one in his lower back what god damn it he's 30 these guys are like 30 years old the fake backs combat sports a rough man yeah particularly wrestling and particularly jiu jitsu wrestling it seems to be a lot of the neck and jiu jiu jitsu it's neck and lower back the lower back seems to get jacked on almost everybody i've been lucky knock on wood and i've been lucky i haven't really suffered any serious injuries in my training career i wonder to how much uh tie training and uh throwing kicks because it's so core intensive kicking it so much so much i think it protects you because like a lot of my my lower back it's very heavily muscled yeah the lower back in the mid it's one of the first things like i actually look at when i'm like studying like a fighters, I look to see his back, how his back sounds like, this guy's going to be strong.

[1060] What makes you say that?

[1061] Like, dude, look at his lower, lower back specifically.

[1062] Yes, I say that all the time.

[1063] I'm like, look at his lower back.

[1064] You see guys with, like, jacked up, like, lower back muscles, you know their core strength is just off the chain.

[1065] Do you have a reverse hyper in your gym?

[1066] No. Do you have one of those?

[1067] No. Dude, that should be standard in any gym where they wrestle, really.

[1068] Is that the inversion?

[1069] That's the one where you, well, lie down on the table with your upper body and your lower body hangs down and hooks into this yeah i've seen thing and it was created by louis simmons that guy from west side barbell the powerlifting monster and when you lift your legs up it strengthens your back there it is right there okay and on the way down it decompresses the spine really lengthens almost like lengthening the spine see there's a video if you show them the video he'll get a chance uh see what it is and the video louis explaining it but we have one back here and i've i've had one for a couple years now and it's it's just go forward just go forward and you don't need to hear the volume um see as she's going up it's strengthening her back and then on the down it extends and it lengthens the back and decompresses it it's active decompression it's one of the rare things that provides active decompression in contrast with strengthening so it strengthens it on the way up and then loosens it on the way back and that activating the muscles and the strengthening portion of it and then the decompression portion together, it's uniquely good for, uniquely effective for strengthening and rehabilitating lower back issues.

[1070] Interesting.

[1071] You got one here you said?

[1072] Yeah.

[1073] He developed it because they were trying to give him surgery.

[1074] They were trying to, they were trying to fuse his disc together because he had a bulging disc.

[1075] So he was trying to figure out how to fix a bulging disc, and that's how he figured it out.

[1076] But it's now like, universally praise has been one of the, as being one of the best exercises to prevent injury, but more importantly, to rehabilitate you if you have something like that going on.

[1077] I got to check that out for sure.

[1078] It should be standard for every gym.

[1079] It's one of those pieces of equipment that I think, like one of the big things that happens with guys is compression, and very few fighters in particular spend time doing spinal decompression.

[1080] Like on those inversion tables.

[1081] Yeah, I'm just going to say inversion tables.

[1082] Those are great, man. They're great.

[1083] Just chill on one of those, those teeters.

[1084] chill on one of those for 10 minutes a day.

[1085] Just put the boots on and kick back and then tighten your back up and then let it loose.

[1086] And tighten your back up and let it loose.

[1087] I've used them before.

[1088] And you could push on the handles and give yourself some separation.

[1089] You have to do something to compensate for all the pressure.

[1090] Right?

[1091] So there's all this compression and you've got to do something to decompress.

[1092] I've seen something too like with a band around your neck.

[1093] You lay in the floor almost like put it on a doorknob almost like and it pulls your head up.

[1094] I have seen something like that.

[1095] I have one that's a thing that you put on your chin and I put it on a unit, like a barbell.

[1096] Yeah.

[1097] So I hook it up to the barbell and then I sit underneath it with a chair.

[1098] Yeah, same concept.

[1099] Like I extend my neck, click, click, click, click, click.

[1100] Yeah, it's like two inches taller.

[1101] Stretching.

[1102] Like you said, too, wrestling is the worst, man. Just like that always shooting that single, shoot that double grabbing and palming the back of your head.

[1103] Yeah.

[1104] Yeah.

[1105] It's rough.

[1106] Well, tie too, right?

[1107] Oh, my gosh.

[1108] I remember one of the first experiences I had clinching with guys in Thailand, you know, because I was one of the bigger guys.

[1109] They were like, oh, I need you to clinch, you know.

[1110] And he's Thai dude just hanging on my neck, hanging on my neck, you know, for an hour straight.

[1111] And I've never felt anything like that.

[1112] And my neck was completely locked up.

[1113] I couldn't turn.

[1114] I had to actually get one of those, the neck braces there, the collars.

[1115] Really?

[1116] Yeah, I had to get like massage like every day.

[1117] I literally, I was out of training probably for four or five days.

[1118] I couldn't even train.

[1119] I couldn't.

[1120] It's almost like having a stiff neck, but it was horrible, man. Yeah, well, you've got to think those muscles don't get used that much if you're not doing that.

[1121] Correct, yeah.

[1122] If you're not doing like neck extensions or.

[1123] And then I went to my trainer and I was like, how do I make my neck stronger?

[1124] And he took me over to this coffee can filled with cement and a rope coming out of it.

[1125] And he said, you bite the rope and you go in a member of ringside had like a thing like that.

[1126] They put that like thing like a strap around your head.

[1127] You put the chain through a weight.

[1128] Yeah, I have those.

[1129] Yeah, I have those.

[1130] But biting it seems better too because it's just like that.

[1131] the mandible as well the problem was is everybody fucking bit on the thing in the camps and the fucking breath all the bad breath mouthpiece breath I remember being in a bank in Thailand in patio once and like there was like a water like thing but there was there was no plastic cups there was no like cups like disposable cups there was a plastic cup with a string tied to it oh people would just go and fill it and just lip on it and put it down.

[1132] I'm like, bro, this is rough, dude, rough.

[1133] Well, I got to figure that.

[1134] It's like, I'm not that thirsty.

[1135] Those moist environments, like, there's so much bacteria in the air anyway.

[1136] Like, how common is, how common is staff?

[1137] Dude, it's so funny you say that because you would think it would run rampant, like ringworm.

[1138] Like, I remember one of the first times I got ringworm in Thailand, and I, like, had a Band -Aid on it, and I was clenching with one of my training pot as a Thai guy, and the Band -Aid came off, and I was like, hold on, let me go to it.

[1139] And he's like, well, no, don't worry about it.

[1140] And I was like, no, like, no, like, let me. like cover this up and he like he touched it and he like was rubbing it like oh dude don't don't know no no no it's like it's like it's ringworm bro and like it's like it's like tie leather skin is like immune to it they don't fucking get ringworm they don't get staff like it's weird like you don't get it's not common no it's weird I'm sure they do get it but it's funny like it doesn't like run rampant in the gyms like you would think like a bunch of sweaty tie dudes training with no shirts on clinching hanging all over each other you know and they you know they laying on the ground doing situps and pushups and all that bullshit and it's it's not common like there's not a lot of ringworm in the gyms there's not a lot of a lot of staff infections i don't know if just the their body builds immunity to i don't know it's just not common it's not common american gyms it's oh my god i remember being on the ultimate fight a season when i coached uh season four the comeback with horay patrick o't that's how i met all those guys uh chris lydell etc matt sarah was on that show uh who was it that got it uh edwin dewees i think got a staff infection and nobody everybody's like oh what the hell's wrong with your skin i was like bro that's like that's like the he be jibis that's like the mats scabbies like that's staff and everybody was like what like what stat and i was like bro that's staff infection like when was the and i went to the ufc production team and i said when was the last time like you guys what clean the mats like oh like we clean them like once once a week when i was like whoa i was like bro you got to clean these mats with like disinfect in every single training session and they're like all right that's cool and i was like how about that wall like the padded wall like oh no we never clean that like bro they have no shirts on they're grappling you know with their backs on the wall sweating all over the wall.

[1141] And I brought it to their attention that, listen, everything needs to be cleaned in the gym.

[1142] How disturbing is that?

[1143] Bro, Dana literally said you go back and you watch like the box series.

[1144] I still got it was like DVD series.

[1145] Like it's like literally Dana said like Delagrotti pretty much saved the show the whole almost the whole both teams got staff.

[1146] I was like get the van's detail like get the van's detail clean the mats, clean stability balls.

[1147] I made everybody get tea tree and eucalyptus soap you know and it just nobody was educated at the time about it.

[1148] And it just it's a plague man it's I if I see anybody with ringworm or staff I literally light fucking bombs in the gym and burn the fucking place down order new mats from zebra and rev gear it's so common I was just reading one of Gordon Ryan's posts on Instagram that he got Mercer for the second time yeah and that medication resistant staff infection that scares the shit out of me dude I had staff I can't really claim Cote I'm not going to blame you bro but it was oddly enough right around the time where Cote had staff in his knee and I was camping him and I was very active at the time training with these guys and I got staff under my armpit both fucking armpits I literally had I had to walk around like with my arms up like this I had wicks coming out of them like nasty dude staff is no good wicks they put wicks what they do is they actually they make an incision they drain the abscess because it's an abscess essentially right they drain the abscess and then they pack it with like what literally looks like a wick from like a lantern it's like hollow in the middle cloth and they pack it in and they leave just a little tip out and as the wound drains and heals the wick comes out so I had like these two inch like like a tip on strength basically and was it medicated the no they just they clean it out they make an incision they clean it all out they flush it with saline and they pack it with a wick and they dope you up with kelflex usually is the weapon of choice for antibiotics I believe it's called kelflex and they uh that stuff drains you want mojo Dude, kicks your ass, dude.

[1149] Tired walking upstairs, like, everything.

[1150] That's when you see when guys fight on that?

[1151] We remember, what's his name?

[1152] Luke Rockhold against Chris Wideman.

[1153] And Kevin Lee recently, too.

[1154] Remember, we noticed it during the breakfast?

[1155] Well, Kevin didn't take any medication.

[1156] Specifically because he knew it would zap his cardio.

[1157] Yeah.

[1158] Well, I'm sure the staff zapped him too.

[1159] Oh, period.

[1160] Yeah, but the antibiotics on top of it, forget about it.

[1161] I remember when we called that fight, you called that fight and I was like, dude, that staff on us.

[1162] And we were talking about it.

[1163] And it's almost like the guys in the truck were like, I don't know.

[1164] Don't mention, don't mention this stuff.

[1165] They told Daniel Cormier not to say anything about it when I brought it up to Cormier.

[1166] I said, does that look like I staffed to you?

[1167] And they're like, don't bring that up.

[1168] Yeah, I remember that.

[1169] That's definitely staff, Joe.

[1170] He don't give a single fuck that guy.

[1171] He's like, what are you talking about?

[1172] Don't talk about that.

[1173] Yeah, you got it.

[1174] It was blatantly obvious.

[1175] It was so obvious.

[1176] How could anyone say to not talk about that?

[1177] It's funny, too, because I don't think the commission is supposed to allow you to fight.

[1178] If you got like a herpy on your lip or something funky or you got staff, they're like about scratch.

[1179] That's what I was shocked Because it was so blatant Yeah, exactly He was swollen And he and I think He put makeup on it on the way in Yeah, that's right That's right Yeah Susie touched it up a little bit Which is hilarious She's complicit Everyone's involved Yeah Susie's awesome I've had times I've had times I've had fighters Like I'm like Oh my god They took a cut during the camp Like you're trying to kind of hide it Airbrush Nice Isn't that crazy Yeah Kevin Lee That was a That was really unfortunate timing because I wanted to see what would happen in that fight.

[1180] I mean, that was a, and you saw Kevin get Tony down, he's beating him up on the ground.

[1181] That's right, that was just going to say, who was he fighting?

[1182] He got a mouth on him.

[1183] Yeah.

[1184] He got his back.

[1185] Like, dude, Kevin Lee is a monster.

[1186] He is, man. And he's fucking huge for a hundred fifty -five pounds.

[1187] You know, I, when he first emerged, like, and I was watching him, I was like, I don't know, I wasn't like, I don't want to say I wasn't impressed, but I had no idea, like, what his capabilities were, like, and I started watching him fight, and I was like, dude, this guy's legit.

[1188] He was.

[1189] he's not even in his prime yeah exactly how old is he he's 26 i think now 25 or 26 he's that young he's very young wow yeah final hold kevin le is i think uh i think he's a few years i think he's a few years from his prime 25 25 yeah 25 oh that's young dude young as that is young man young as fuck in a month he's 26 he's a cool dude too he's a very cool guy i i had him on my podcast and i think it really changed people's perceptions of him you realize how honesty is open and intelligent and just really consider it and thinking about all the various aspects of his career and even when he was talking about like other fighters he wasn't shit talking necessarily where it's like really just talking about his own skills versus their skills and and even Ferguson when he's talking about Tony he was saying man this injury is a real bummer because it's going to impede what he does like his whole thing is that he can do anything right he's like loose and he takes chances like if he's got this knee that it's fucked up that he doesn't trust.

[1190] Like, that could really get, I'm like, ooh, that's a good point.

[1191] He's got a knee that he doesn't trust.

[1192] It's going to keep him from being as like freewheeling, you know?

[1193] Yeah, yeah.

[1194] One of the things about Tony is he's so unpredictable.

[1195] Yeah, man. Like, how do you prepare for a guy that just moves crazy and has knockout power and nutty endurance?

[1196] Yeah.

[1197] He trained with Eddie still?

[1198] Was he with Ted Planet?

[1199] Yes.

[1200] He's still with Eddie.

[1201] What a freak accident, man. Imagine you're on your way to a fight.

[1202] You're doing press and you, You go to talk to something, and you trip over some wires.

[1203] Is that what it was?

[1204] Production wires, like camera wires or something?

[1205] Yeah, and UFC Tonight.

[1206] Yeah.

[1207] And blew the fucking the ligament off the bone.

[1208] Oh, man. You ever see the scar?

[1209] I haven't, no. Oh, my God.

[1210] It's like a, it's like a 12 -inch scar.

[1211] There was no previous injury or anything.

[1212] So that literally just came out of nowhere, like on a fucking wire.

[1213] He tripped on those wires and fell sideways and literally just, which is how does a guy like that fall down even?

[1214] You would think he's so athletic.

[1215] I forget when it was Back in the day we had Remember when you used to do the UFC workout rooms And they would put Oh man What a gnarly fucking scar It's like 80 staples Yeah it's nuts That's one of the bigger knee scars I've ever seen in my life That is nasty scar Yeah but now he's He's running around He's moving Yeah he's a freak man They were doing some UV light or something like that on it But you know he's starting to hit the bag again He throws kicks and punches on the back now.

[1216] We've lost fights in the past for those, you know, like I was just going to say, we had those, you know, the fold -out mats, like the bifold mats.

[1217] I remember like somebody got their foot caught in it, rolled their ankle.

[1218] It was like one show a long time ago.

[1219] And, you know, we started talking about it.

[1220] I think it was Jimmy Gifford, who works for Lorenzo back at the time.

[1221] I was like, man, you need those dollmer, those rollout mats.

[1222] These seams are no good, man. People are tweaking their ankles left and right, man. We'd lose a fight occasionally, like backstage just from like somebody rolling their ankle in the cracks of the mats or something stupid like that but what a freak accident to think like and how close he was really close to that fight wasn't he he was a couple days out yeah do you remember when um Kevin Randleman was backstage and he stepped on some pipes and flew through the air and land on his head yeah and knocked himself out I don't recall stage yeah so prepping for the main event of a fight it was like UFC 13 or 14 or some shit it was a long they lost the main event they lost the main event Nightman.

[1223] I don't remember who he was supposed to be fighting.

[1224] I do not remember.

[1225] But I remember Kevin Randleman stepped on some pipes and fell and hit his fucking head.

[1226] Yeah, I remember thinking, what?

[1227] Yeah.

[1228] What are the odds?

[1229] Maybe you're supposed to be fighting Pedro Hizzo?

[1230] I do not remember who was going way back.

[1231] Randleman days is going back.

[1232] Was it Pedro Hizzo?

[1233] Yeah.

[1234] What, when did you come on?

[1235] UFC 12.

[1236] 1997.

[1237] Was it Zoufer at the time?

[1238] No. SEG.

[1239] It was.

[1240] It was.

[1241] Okay.

[1242] Bob Meyerwitz.

[1243] That's right.

[1244] Camel McLaren hired me. No shit.

[1245] It was Tony Blower did it before me. That's right.

[1246] They needed a new backstage interviewer guy.

[1247] So UFC 12.

[1248] Yeah.

[1249] Dothan Alabama, son.

[1250] We were supposed to be in Buffalo.

[1251] Supposed to fly to Buffalo, New York.

[1252] Or Albany?

[1253] Somewhere in New York, but New York State made it illegal, like right before.

[1254] So they had to change all the flights, move the octagon, fly it down to Doth in Alabama.

[1255] Yeah.

[1256] Puddle jumper.

[1257] plane yeah yeah i remember those days i was not involved with the company at the time i got i think the first fight i cornered was like ufc 36 or something like that but that's that's early in the day too yeah ufc 35 and a half was when i came back yeah that's when i did was it was it uh who's the first chuk versus v tors okay what i did who's the owner that time was art davy was the guy i'm thinking art davies was one of the original guys uh he was a part of SEG.

[1258] It was Art Davies, Bob Meyerowitz, and I guess Horeen Gracie was involved in the very, very beginning.

[1259] Yeah, I remember we did the 20 -year Zouffer, 20 years, whatever.

[1260] Like, we're backstage, well, coming into the MGM in the back of the arena.

[1261] And, you know, everybody's pulling up, you know, I got the Ferraris, Lambos coming up, and Art Davy pulls up in a fucking Saturn.

[1262] And I was like, oh, boy, have time changed?

[1263] Times have changed.

[1264] It's like a busted, like, Nevada plate.

[1265] I was like oh man I was like fuck times have definitely changed Lambo's Ferrari's like blacked out SUVs and then a Saturn rickety rackety come squeaking up great dude though I like it Zufa bought the UFC for two million dollars that's right yeah think of that yeah and they what 4 billion was the sale price talk about profit on return return of investment but it's a long time I mean they bought it in 2001 One, right?

[1266] And you can imagine how much money, the fatigue is Lorenzo and Frank and Dana, how much money they put in, too, you know.

[1267] So it's not like they bought it for a clean 2 -mill and had smooth sailing and then sold out, you know.

[1268] Well, they were in the hole for $40 million by the time 2005 rolled along.

[1269] So 2005 was the first season of the Ultimate Fighter and they were in the hole $40 million while they were doing, while they're in production.

[1270] And they were trying to sell the, they were trying to sell the UFC.

[1271] And Lorenzo called Dana the next day and said, fuck it, let's just keep going.

[1272] Like he was saying, like, see if anybody wants to buy it.

[1273] And then he decided, fuck it.

[1274] Let's just keep going.

[1275] Yeah.

[1276] Yeah, glad he did.

[1277] Here we are.

[1278] Yeah, but you got to think that the number, the amount of money they have to make every month.

[1279] Oh, man. Just to make the nut on $4 billion.

[1280] Exactly.

[1281] Yeah.

[1282] It's not an easy company to run, I can imagine.

[1283] Yeah.

[1284] I mean, I don't really talk to Ari much when he's back there.

[1285] I'd just say hi, shake his hand.

[1286] I've never met him, yeah.

[1287] I don't know.

[1288] Yeah.

[1289] I don't know how well it's doing.

[1290] I've never met him.

[1291] I just missed them, actually, in Dubai.

[1292] I was on, Lorenzo threw me a fucking big layup and sent me over to Dubai to train Prince Tarnoon.

[1293] You've trained him several times, right?

[1294] I had one trip.

[1295] I spent about a month there, but I ended up just, instead of teaching a Muay, I just ended up doing Jiu -Jitsu at Marcel Agassi every day, which was fucking awesome.

[1296] I showed up in Dubai, like, well, it was funny because he got off the plane.

[1297] The first they sent me the airline tickets.

[1298] Lorenzo was like, hey, you want to go to Dubai, you know, train, train Tardoonoon?

[1299] It's Abu Dhabi, right?

[1300] Yeah, it was Abu Dhabi, Dubai, I'm sorry, Abu Dhabi, but Dubai is like right there.

[1301] So, you know, so going Abu Dhabi, like, I got the airlines.

[1302] I was like, what the fuck is this?

[1303] ETS, something, airlines, there's some bullshit flying some fucking weird airlines.

[1304] And I looked it up and I was like, oh, shit, there's like gold toilets and shit.

[1305] And I looked and I told them, I was like, I need an assistant to go with me. Like, you may have an assistant.

[1306] And I was like, perfect.

[1307] I looked, and it was nine grand each a ticket.

[1308] It was like 18 grand for like the flights.

[1309] It was in like full beds, like little capsules.

[1310] You could get flays and shit.

[1311] But we got there There was nobody at the airport And I'm like, fuck, dude I don't know who to call What's going on I had no idea, right?

[1312] Some guy walks over to me And he hands me a box A mobile phone And I open the box And there's a phone he goes The phone will ring When he needs you And I was like, what the fuck is this?

[1313] And then a stretched out seven series So check this out A stretched out seven series BMW comes And like the guy's like You know he comes over He grabs my bag He puts him in And he takes us to a place called the Twin Towers You motherfuckers.

[1314] Oddly enough, right after 9 -11, I'm like, oh, I get it.

[1315] Fucking Twin Towers.

[1316] Fucking put the American guys up in the Twin Towers.

[1317] And like, we get there.

[1318] And it's the middle of night, me and my buddy Neil, one of my students at the time, Neil Legalo, we ended up going up to the room and there was like nothing there.

[1319] I was like no furniture.

[1320] Like the beds weren't.

[1321] It wasn't like a hotel.

[1322] It was like an apartment because we were going to be there for nothing.

[1323] I was like, dude, is there like a fucking Target open right now and get some bed sheets and stuff?

[1324] I need like soap.

[1325] I need like, there was nothing there.

[1326] And we literally sat in that apartment going to, the street to the market where we're the only white dudes in the market just getting like cans of like tuna in olive oil and like bread just to dip it in we would like survive in for like two days just staring at the fucking phone every day like it's gonna fucking ring i know it's gonna provide food well listen so then so then the phone rang and uh he said uh there'll be a driver outside you know when you get there like when you go downstairs there'll be a driver outside you're gonna go the palace so we go downstairs as driver outside and he gives us the whole rundown about do not make eye contact with the prince only call him its highness and this and i'm like you're Like, dude, this is trippy as fuck, dude.

[1327] And you got to do jiu -jitsu with this guy.

[1328] So, no, I'm supposed to train him in Muay Thai.

[1329] He wanted to learn Muay Thai because he said, he asked Lorenzo, like, you know, who you do moitai, what I was wanting to do Muay.

[1330] So Lorenzo mentioned me, and that's how I got over there.

[1331] So I get to the palace and I show up in the work in this workout room, and I'm just sitting there.

[1332] I'm like, dude, this is so weird.

[1333] Like, no one's telling us what's going on.

[1334] And Marcelo Garcia walks in with a gym bag.

[1335] And I was like, holy fucking shit, it's Marcelo Garcia.

[1336] We ended up like, Tadunun came out, his highness Tadun came out.

[1337] And we did a little bit of moitai, but his passion for jujitsu was so overwhelming that he's, all he wanted to do is jujitsu.

[1338] He's like, do you like jujitsu?

[1339] I was like, yeah, I love jiu -jitsu.

[1340] He's like, let's do jiu -jitsu.

[1341] Like I ended up training every day with Marcella Gassio for like a month straight.

[1342] And we did like maybe in a month's time, we did like maybe three hours of moitai.

[1343] Really?

[1344] Yeah.

[1345] And then as like going back to the Ari story, as I was leaving, like I think Ari was coming in doing some type of business with his highness at the time or something.

[1346] So we just missed each other.

[1347] That was my point to tell you about.

[1348] I don't know what is he like hanging out with because all that eye contact shit seems to go out the window once you're around yeah well once you get to know him once I got to know him and you know I got a little more comfortable around him like he was super cool like super cool dude man like everything to the extreme like I want I'm gonna hike Mount Everest he hikes fucking Mount Everest he's like oh dude everything like he's had like in uh uh the channel what's an elevation chamber like an elevation tent and stuff like the he had just everything he was anything he did was like to the extreme I mean obviously You're talking like an extreme dude, a trillionaire, like you can do anything he wants.

[1349] Is he a trillionaire?

[1350] This is a thing that people, people don't understand when you hear about the world's richest men.

[1351] Those are people with public incomes.

[1352] This is not oligarchs.

[1353] Yeah, he's above and beyond fucking Forbes 500.

[1354] Yeah, he's literally a prince.

[1355] He was funny.

[1356] He told me a story about how Henzo, and I've laughed at this with Henzo.

[1357] Henzo, they had this big horse race that they do when they race across the desert.

[1358] and they needed another rider and you do it like with no saddle or something it's this crazy like long like 20 30 mile horse race or something like that and i don't know the details of it but henzzo was there at the time and they were like uh we need another rider and hendo's like fuck it all right and they're like no bro you don't understand like it's like you got like a fucking scarf around your throat and you're like just get on a horse and you go for like whatever it is how long it is and henzzo did the race you like survived the race was crazy yeah ask him about it sometime it's funny telling the story you know henzzo just won i saw that 51 years old you know I was saying to myself what's he doing like is he going he's going to fight again he's really doing this like at first I heard yuki condo and he took his back with a took him down with a very slick move yeah yeah he hooked the leg and then went through the underside and butterflied the back of the other leg and dragged him down I saw the finish I didn't see the fight how long did the fight last it wasn't that long first round yeah it's first round second round Henzo still getting at it huh Go go earlier than this So you can see the actual takedown Because the takedown's slick Yeah So he he dives in And a very dangerous guy Yuki Kondo Yuki Kondo stopped Salu Hibero Like Yuki Kondo was a beast Vicious vicious fucking striker But you know also 50 years old himself I think So Henzo gets the single Look at that trip See that how he hooks And butterflies the opposite leg Oh, that is a, I love that movie.

[1359] Master Henzo Gracie.

[1360] Unbelievable, man. Such a great person.

[1361] Great Jiu -Jitsu has been an inspiration to us all.

[1362] I love that fucking guy.

[1363] And looks like he's 51 with his body.

[1364] Like it doesn't look like he's used to the tits.

[1365] You know what he's in this position right now.

[1366] He's got his back.

[1367] He's like, I got you, motherfucker.

[1368] Henzo gets on your back and that's our rap pretty much.

[1369] Yeah.

[1370] And Kondo was always a striker.

[1371] Yeah, exactly.

[1372] Yeah.

[1373] Is this like 50, 50 year old division going to manifest or something?

[1374] They're, like, talking about this Masters League or something like that.

[1375] Is it actually going to manifest?

[1376] I don't know, man, but in Japan, they'll have anybody fight.

[1377] Yeah, the freaky or the better fight.

[1378] Gabby Garcia fight old housewives.

[1379] They don't give a fuck.

[1380] They have grandma's fight in Japan.

[1381] They'll do anything.

[1382] And then what they're doing in one -fc, I mean, they're basically, like, they're rehabilitating careers.

[1383] I mean, look at fucking Brandon Vera.

[1384] Brandon Vera is a monster over there now.

[1385] He is active.

[1386] He's the heavyweight chance.

[1387] That's right, yeah.

[1388] Dude, you ever see what he looks like now?

[1389] No, I haven't even followed it in a while, yeah.

[1390] He looks like a poster bore for Usada sniff test.

[1391] Oh, shit.

[1392] His neck starts at the top of his head.

[1393] Look at him.

[1394] He's yoked.

[1395] He's a huge heavyweight now.

[1396] He was always big, but he's yoked up now, huh?

[1397] Oh, yeah, dude.

[1398] He's for sure on Mexican supplements.

[1399] Good for him.

[1400] Go for it.

[1401] He's got that Tijuana test.

[1402] I don't know what, uh, let's see if you can find a video of him fighting because he looks like a fucking gorilla now.

[1403] What does it say he weighs?

[1404] Does it say there?

[1405] He was always a big, 40, yeah, age 40.

[1406] 6 -2 .2 .30, it says that?

[1407] He was a very light, 250 now.

[1408] 250 now, Jesus.

[1409] Yeah, see if you can find a video of him.

[1410] Go that, yeah, go deep into the fight.

[1411] You see how big he is.

[1412] Oh.

[1413] He's so big.

[1414] I mean, he's a real heavyweight now.

[1415] Yeah.

[1416] He's a...

[1417] Is he living in Asia now?

[1418] Where is he that?

[1419] I don't think so.

[1420] Originally San Diego.

[1421] He's still San Diego.

[1422] Yeah.

[1423] Oh, head kick from hell.

[1424] Yeah, dude, he's a monster.

[1425] His Jits is good, too.

[1426] Dean Lister guy, right?

[1427] His Jits is solid.

[1428] Well, I think he started with Lloyd Irvin.

[1429] Okay, yep, you're right.

[1430] Yeah.

[1431] I mean, he's been, he's gone to a bunch of camps.

[1432] Yeah.

[1433] I had a chance to train with him when he was at Eddie's place at the old bomb squad.

[1434] Yeah.

[1435] He came in, and it was before he fought in the UFC.

[1436] And I remember saying to him, like, what weight are you fighting in?

[1437] He's like heavy weight.

[1438] I was like, wow.

[1439] He didn't look like a big guy.

[1440] He wasn't a big heavy.

[1441] No, he was very light for a heavyweight, but he was fucking people up because he was...

[1442] Good moitai to, Melchermenor, I think he trained with too in San Diego.

[1443] Rob Cayman.

[1444] Rob Cayman.

[1445] He was a Rob Cayman's guy for a while.

[1446] And then him and Rob had a dispute about, you know, percentage payments or something like that, you know.

[1447] Yeah.

[1448] There was a kid, though, that I think managed him in my area.

[1449] I forget his name back in the day, but he had some money issues too.

[1450] Man, I don't know what happened with Rob.

[1451] Rob vanished.

[1452] I never see him anymore.

[1453] Yeah, man. It's funny.

[1454] He was like he was around for.

[1455] a while and he disappeared and he'd come back around for a little and then before you know it i saw him like fucking eating fucking space cake on instagram in holland i was like i guess he's in holland now like i don't know what the fuck he's doing is he's that where he is he's back in holland i think so yeah i think he had like just some ups and downs in his life and he just needed to get the fuck out just go back to his roots i saw him like videos like him in like a field like fucking ham's the damn i was like my man rob he i love that guy though some thing that he had some thing that he was putting He was nasty back in the day, man. He was, like, one of the first foreigners that Kriotong at the Sietong camp.

[1456] Like, I remember Duke Rufus on the podcast years ago was talking about Rob came in.

[1457] He was, like, one of our first, like, foreign, foreign superstars, like, you know, him, Remandekka, those guys.

[1458] He was a big guy, too, for a guy that was fighting the ties.

[1459] He was way bigger than everybody else.

[1460] Not a loved about him, too, as a south paw.

[1461] He would attack the back leg a lot.

[1462] Oh, yeah.

[1463] That's the worst way to take a low kick.

[1464] I was just going to say that.

[1465] He would do that slight step to the side and go across both legs.

[1466] Oh, right across the front.

[1467] Jeb -O -E -Mach -L -O -E.

[1468] What is that?

[1469] What do you say?

[1470] Hurt.

[1471] Hurt.

[1472] Hurt.

[1473] Hurt.

[1474] Hurt.

[1475] Hurt.

[1476] J -E -B.

[1477] Jeb.

[1478] What does that mean?

[1479] It means hurt.

[1480] Jeb.

[1481] Jeb means hurt.

[1482] Yeah, hurt.

[1483] Jeb -Hoy.

[1484] If I say Jeb, that means hurt.

[1485] If I want to say it hurts a lot, I say Mach, like my name Mock.

[1486] Jeb Mach.

[1487] Like, happy, D -J -J -J -Jai.

[1488] Very happy, D .J. Mach.

[1489] And then you can throw the Thai spang, go, oh, DJ Macloy.

[1490] Could you read, Ty?

[1491] I'm just now, my brother Joshua, who is one of my students back home, he's a Buddhist monk, a white dude with a man bun, drives a Jeep.

[1492] Like, you'd never know.

[1493] He's like...

[1494] Cut that man bum while he sleeps.

[1495] Stop that.

[1496] He's teaching me how to read and write.

[1497] You know, I can speak.

[1498] I knew I could speak Thai pretty well when I actually started talking to people on the phone, like people from Thailand on the phone.

[1499] Because if I'm in front of you, like, it's like any...

[1500] language like you go like you fly like what what time like you can fucking caveman language and you can figure it out you know but once i started talking to like tie friends on the phone i was like dude i got this like i'm not using like my my hand signs and whatnot so all right so like if you had to say someone in in tie like the weigh -ins are today but it's not the real way in it's a ceremonial way in the real way in started at a .m what would you say the ties don't even go that far that's way too much.

[1501] Yeah, dude.

[1502] That's way too much.

[1503] Dude, I'll explain Thai language to you right now.

[1504] Let's take the verb to like.

[1505] Like you like something.

[1506] Right.

[1507] Karate chop.

[1508] Chop.

[1509] That means I like.

[1510] Okay.

[1511] I take the word my, M -A -I.

[1512] If I put it before it, if I want to ask you if you like something.

[1513] Right.

[1514] I just say, chop my.

[1515] That means my's at the end.

[1516] That's, I'm asking you a question.

[1517] Chop, like, my, do you like?

[1518] If you like it, you say chop.

[1519] Right.

[1520] If you don't like it, you put the my in front and go, my chop.

[1521] It's literally like, like, no like.

[1522] It's fucking cave language, bro.

[1523] So if I'm like, all right, you know, take the word.

[1524] Like I said, like go.

[1525] Like bye, bye means go.

[1526] Bye, my, are you going?

[1527] My bye, not going.

[1528] If you're going, you just go, bye.

[1529] Wow.

[1530] Dude, that's the crash course of Thai right there.

[1531] But the best in the kingdom, bro, is knowing the Thai glish.

[1532] Me and my trainer, Kru Toysitong, the son of Kriotong, always taught me tagli.

[1533] because it was the fastest way from A to B. It's like, all right, if you want to say water, like, it's nam.

[1534] But rather than say nam, you just say, what the?

[1535] Like, oh, shit.

[1536] Like airport, Sanambin.

[1537] Just go, airport.

[1538] Do they know what airport means?

[1539] Oh, dude.

[1540] If you say Sanambin and you say it like with the wrong tone, like it's something different.

[1541] Like it's like the word my, my, my dog, horse come.

[1542] Oh, Jesus.

[1543] That's why you can really go.

[1544] get fucked up trying to speak Thai in Thailand.

[1545] That's why I teach all my students at Crash Course, bro, Tyglish.

[1546] Like, you want water?

[1547] What the?

[1548] You want to go to the airport?

[1549] Passport.

[1550] You just have to say it like wood with a accent.

[1551] It's literally like you almost like mocking them.

[1552] Like, but you're not.

[1553] Like they get it right away.

[1554] Oh, that's so strange.

[1555] It's weird.

[1556] Like I've had like literally people like, dude, like don't hit you like fucking ranking on the guy.

[1557] Like, no, I'm not dude.

[1558] I'm talking about.

[1559] Well, when we went to places, they, they all.

[1560] All spoke English.

[1561] Oh, yeah.

[1562] For the most part, nowadays, yeah.

[1563] Nowadays, for the most part, yeah.

[1564] So back then, when you were fighting, it was more, it was more difficult to communicate?

[1565] Well, there was less tourists, you know.

[1566] Right.

[1567] And now, you know, it's over, it's plagued with, like, Germans and Russians as, like, everybody's going to Thailand.

[1568] There was a lot.

[1569] I saw a Ferrari driving down the street for the first time ever, like a couple years ago in Thailand.

[1570] I was like, a fucking Ferrari in Padia City, Thailand?

[1571] It's all Russian money.

[1572] Like, a lot of Russians go there with big Russian money, you know?

[1573] Yeah, there's a lot of, like, like, gang.

[1574] Gangster activity in Padia, right?

[1575] Specifically like Russian, like Dutch Russian.

[1576] Yeah?

[1577] What are they doing over there?

[1578] I don't know.

[1579] I don't ask.

[1580] I don't know.

[1581] Fucking selling people.

[1582] I don't fucking know.

[1583] Can buy a liver for fucking 500 bot in the street.

[1584] I don't know, bro.

[1585] I don't know, but I definitely know that there was a time when I was going to Thailand and it felt like Thailand.

[1586] And then I went back once and there was like, like, everybody was speaking Russian.

[1587] And there was like white dudes everywhere and like all farung, like all foreigners.

[1588] And I was like, wow.

[1589] Do you think Russian?

[1590] Why do you think?

[1591] I don't know.

[1592] Well, it's a lot of, a lot of Europeans vacation in Thailand, too.

[1593] You know, it's like we go to, like, in America, we go to, like, Aruba, Bahamas, Jamaica.

[1594] Like, that's our vacation.

[1595] Like, the Brits, like, from the UK, they're like, let's go holiday in Thailand.

[1596] You know, they go to Thailand.

[1597] You know, they go to Thailand.

[1598] Like, they go to Southeast Asia.

[1599] So it just, I don't know, just is a, it's a big tourist attraction in Thailand for Europeans and for now Russians.

[1600] I saw a lot of older European or American -looking men.

[1601] with hot, young Thai chicks.

[1602] Yep, absolutely.

[1603] And I was like, look at that.

[1604] Oh, Tukmak, well, cheap.

[1605] You get a fucking great deal over there.

[1606] They run specials, like, yeah.

[1607] No, you see it all the time.

[1608] The worst is like the fat German guy and the fucking man thong walking down the street and it would have fucking little boy, like a 14 -year -old boy.

[1609] Oh, really?

[1610] Oh, dude.

[1611] I've seen some weird shit in Thailand, man. Yeah.

[1612] Yeah, as I said earlier, man, Atlanta smiles, but there's not always smiles.

[1613] Why is it worse if it's a 14 -year -old boy versus a 14 -year -old girl?

[1614] Is it?

[1615] It's all the same at that point?

[1616] I don't know, man. I don't think it's worse.

[1617] I think the 14 -year -old boy could probably take it better.

[1618] I never thought of that.

[1619] And I don't want to.

[1620] It's probably less scarring if that's what he's into.

[1621] Yeah.

[1622] So you don't see a lot of that shit up in Chiang Mai.

[1623] Like, it's not like, you know, you were more like the elephant country and like that's real Thailand to me like that that Chang Mai that northern Thailand is like the real Thai culture you know and then you as you go down south you get more touristy you get more freak shows you get elephants were everywhere like in terms of art yeah elephant art huge prevalent it's very prevalent it's it's the southeast Asia that's that's the the fucking animal god like that's it like the elephants everything to them the Thai box inside well at first it was uh what they call crabby krabong which is known as uh in Thailand is Fandandai which means like long short and that's the old depiction you see of sword play like the ties using swords and they dressed up these elephants and like armor and like rode baskets and just shot arrows from from the top of the elephant so the elephant has always been a huge part of that even in warfare yeah they use the elephants in combat yeah wow yeah so they would like put these armor plates on the trunks of the elephants and the body of the elephants and they would put baskets on them and they would just go off into battlefield and just be plucking people with arrows and just dropping spears on them.

[1624] So the elephant was always prevalent to the success of Thai culture.

[1625] That's crazy.

[1626] Can you imagine going to battle riding a fucking elephant?

[1627] So you think something up there on the internet would fucking battle elephants.

[1628] Well, wasn't that in 300?

[1629] Yeah, yeah, something like that.

[1630] Yeah, there you go.

[1631] There you go.

[1632] There you go.

[1633] Fuck, man. Yeah, the ties were doing that shit against the Burmese like back in the day.

[1634] They would dress them all up.

[1635] Imagine you were in a fucking war with somebody And you see a bunch of dudes come towards you on elephants.

[1636] Dude, a giant fucking horse.

[1637] Like, coming at me is one thing, but an elephant?

[1638] Like, oh, dude, we're outnumbered here.

[1639] We got to fight them.

[1640] They're so big, man. They are.

[1641] I was so nervous around them.

[1642] Big time.

[1643] It's weird.

[1644] We went to a place that rehabilitates them.

[1645] And they reintroduce them back into the wild.

[1646] Yeah.

[1647] Yeah, it's...

[1648] You didn't ride it, though, I think you were saying, though.

[1649] You did?

[1650] I didn't like it, though.

[1651] Yeah.

[1652] I just didn't think it was necessary.

[1653] Right.

[1654] It's like, this thing doesn't want me to ride it.

[1655] Lincoln rejects the King of Siams offer of elephants.

[1656] This is in 1862.

[1657] Civil War, Abraham Lincoln.

[1658] Wow.

[1659] Oh, for the war?

[1660] Yeah, I found that camel thing the other day, and I was like, I wonder if they used them here.

[1661] What, camels?

[1662] I just, yeah, I found something the other day when we were talking about something, and I stumbled across another article that said there were camels in the West, and they used them to travel and carry things to help develop the West.

[1663] At some point, they abandoned them, and there was like a, they called them the Red Ghost.

[1664] It was like a myth of this mythical animal That was 30 feet tall Supposedly eight grizzly bears like I told you And like that was a camel?

[1665] It ended up being a camel Yeah people were just shooting them on site Because they didn't know what it was That's crazy man So it said Lincoln pointed out that steam power Had already taken the need for heavy animal power Yeah I was just gonna say the train That's the railroad system coming into play right there They're like Lincoln was like fuck you and your elephants man We got trains dude Yeah I guess but once the battle actually starts A bunch of when you hear them trumpet Like we were pretty close Close to one when it let out, like maybe within, like, 15 yards.

[1666] And it just went, and you're like, whoa.

[1667] Serious animal.

[1668] In real life, that is so loud.

[1669] Yeah.

[1670] And they're majestic, man. They have, like, such a presence.

[1671] It was raining out constantly there, you know, it was during the rainy season.

[1672] So this elephant was moving through this unbelievably beautiful, lush green landscape with, like, fog and mist.

[1673] Cool as fuck.

[1674] And then he sees...

[1675] Changsai's beautiful.

[1676] Huge tusks.

[1677] And he lets out that trumpet.

[1678] And you're like, whoa.

[1679] Oh, that's a crazy animal.

[1680] Yeah, man. It's got a serious presence being around a fucking elephant.

[1681] And these dudes just walk right up to him, pat it and touch it.

[1682] Like, they were really well cared for it.

[1683] But we went to a tiger sanctuary.

[1684] I was just going to say, did you do the tiger thing to pat the tigers?

[1685] That was, no, I didn't like that at all.

[1686] They were drugged up.

[1687] All they had to be.

[1688] They got to be.

[1689] That was disturbing.

[1690] They got to be, man. Yeah.

[1691] See, there.

[1692] In war.

[1693] Yep.

[1694] Well, the guy's got a cannon.

[1695] On top of it.

[1696] He's got a fucking cannon on the top of an elephant.

[1697] What in the fuck?

[1698] That dude has a cannon That is a canon That's a legit cannon There's a civil war cannon On the top of He's got a machine gun Look at he's got a 50 cow And what year is this This is a picture that shows up with that Yeah with the Lincoln of the elephants Wow Trippy dude Fucking elephants man A 50 cow Look at this thing See Wow Look at all the guns Guns and spears Look at all the shit in the What in the fuck man?

[1699] There you go That's what I was talking about That is the shittiest way to see an army coming towards you.

[1700] Riding elephants.

[1701] It's like brave how.

[1702] You're like, do not retreat.

[1703] Yeah.

[1704] Hold your ground.

[1705] Fuck you.

[1706] They're such peaceful animals, too.

[1707] Yeah.

[1708] It's such a, they eat so much, too.

[1709] You can't believe how much they eat.

[1710] That's the thing, yeah.

[1711] Dude, they walk around in the streets of Potia, like a handle of will walk them up and down, like the city streets just for like, then they give you, like, fruit to feed them, like papaya.

[1712] They're like, hey, you want to feed the elephant?

[1713] And you, like, tip the guy.

[1714] And they're like, you see, like, an elephant.

[1715] walking down the street through traffic in potty it's fucking weird huh it's cool though but every down and then you see them just get pissed uh yeah do you ever see like the elephants gone wild videos yeah when they mistreated they start tipping over cars like the middle of cardboard i've seen that that's right everything stampede and they stomping their trainers all pissed off apparently they have uh tigers are wild in thailand as well they really do have tigers yeah yeah yeah the tiger is another another one of the tie.

[1716] Do you think that it's maybe something in their diet that protects them from staff and from ringworm and all that jazz?

[1717] In terms of the fighters?

[1718] Yeah.

[1719] Perhaps because they eat such spicy food is that maybe related?

[1720] Because they, when I tell you to Thai spice, like some of the kids from the camp would literally be like dripping sweat like eating the spicy.

[1721] I was.

[1722] Like sweating like dripping profusely like sweat and eating food.

[1723] I was.

[1724] Yeah.

[1725] Do you like spicy food?

[1726] Yeah, I love spicy food.

[1727] And I told them to go hard.

[1728] Yeah.

[1729] said do it like you would do it yeah how you like fucking juice it up baby yeah and they didn't they fucking they they remember i remember one of the first trips we had to thailand i was with one of my buddies and they were no he ordered some dish and the thys were like no that's that's hot that's spicy and he's like no no no no that's really spicy like he's like no no no it's good i like spicy spicy food i'll just drink a lot of water whatever he goes uh even hot for tai people and i was like bro are you listening to what he's saying like even hot for but he didn't know any better and he went for it and i'm telling you bro there was three of us in a hotel room in potty of thailand and i woke up in the middle of night with him fucking shooting ass piss out of his ass soaked the mattress the bed the sheets he found him in a ball in the bathroom floor dude we had to take this kid to the nearest hospital he couldn't we had to ride him on the bike we had to ride three people one driving the kid in the middle and me behind holding him up because he was like out of it from spicy food dude he got so like his sure wasn't food poison no no it was just the spices just kicked his ass so so bad he probably burnt a hole like an ulcer in his stomach dude he was in the hospital for like three days on an ivy got a bill for like fucking nine bucks and we were out that was a wrap but he never ate the fucking same dish again though spicy yeah I don't fuck with the spices too much I love Thai food and I'll like I'll experiment with it but I'm not like if my mouth is so hot and I can't taste the food I don't enjoy it I'm just like that doesn't seem right to me that seems like it be more of a food poisoning issue it could have been but all i know is that i'll never forget the smell of that hotel room oh it was brutal you know it's bad when it soaks through the mattress and you know what the ties do they fucking flip it over next i remember my buddy rented a house like a little like village house behind the camp and um this australian guy was like hey your mate's fucking pretty scrappy huh i was like what do you mean he's like man i know like you like to do the tie thing and you know but you know he's got fucking money you don't have to live like a fucking bum you know and i was like all right what's money he's like man the fucking house he's living in man a fucking woman died of a fucking snake bite died in her fucking bed got bit by a snake and i'm like what so i told my buddy bro he flipped the mattress over it was fucking soaked in blood they flipped the mattress and they fucking rented to the next farm are like coming in yeah dude yeah and i remember like literally like literally like literally like going to visit him and like you know put taking your shoes off going in his little fucking one -room hut and then going to put my shoes on back and he's like shake your sneakers shake him out of my sneakers I'd shake a fucking tarantula out of my sneakers you gotta shake you sneakers you got to shake you sneakers before you go around and in the morning that was one of the first things I learned in tyrant dude the first time I went to town like I was jumping on the ties you know I don't if you're familiar what they have like a truck tire they lay down and they bounce on them so it's it's great what's that for it's literally like jumping rope calf strength it's like jumping rope but it's awesome because it's not pounding on your joints.

[1730] So you get the bounce of the tire.

[1731] And they just kind of alternate stance and you bounce on the tire.

[1732] And it's like, you know, your warm -up.

[1733] It's a pot of your warm -up.

[1734] So I'm bouncing on the tires and this jacked tie guy that comes walking out of the room.

[1735] And he grabs a pair of gloves.

[1736] And they usually put the laces over the ropes.

[1737] They hang the gloves to dry over the ropes.

[1738] And he's like mean as fuck.

[1739] Look, and he puts his hand in the glove.

[1740] He goes, put it.

[1741] And he pulls his hand out in a fucking tarantula hit the ground.

[1742] Literally you could hear the weight of the spider like, boom.

[1743] I heard it hit the cement like the weight of the spider and this fucking thing moved so fast about covered about 12 feet and jumped up four feet into a heavy bag and crawled in between the crack of the leather of the heavy bag I was like what the fuck was that my buddy goes oh that's a that's a bird eating's why do they call it up wait a minute it can fucking catch birds I was like what the fuck is this like and then literally every time I put my gloves on that I was, like, peek in them and, like, tap on it and, like, walk away and, like, look at the glove.

[1744] Like, kick the glove a little bit.

[1745] Like, all right, one's good.

[1746] Let's try the other one on, like, every morning just, like, shaking scorpions out of your sneakers and stuff.

[1747] You want to know something crazy?

[1748] We never had a rat problem here at all.

[1749] We had nothing.

[1750] And then my dog was here one day.

[1751] I brought the dog by, and then all of a sudden we started having rat problems.

[1752] Weird.

[1753] And then Jamie looked it up, and rats are attracted to dogs.

[1754] Feces?

[1755] Yes.

[1756] Yeah, I thought so.

[1757] The main thing that rats eat is dog shit.

[1758] Think about that for a second.

[1759] I was just going to say, got to be the feces.

[1760] So we literally didn't have any problem.

[1761] And then Jamie was like, dude, there's rat shit here.

[1762] We found rat shit.

[1763] And then Jeff, the other guy who works here, found a rat and killed it.

[1764] He grabbed it by the tail.

[1765] Ooh.

[1766] And smacked that motherfucker.

[1767] How gangster is that?

[1768] He grabbed it by the tail.

[1769] He saw the tail poking out from behind a box and he grabbed it and smacked it.

[1770] The rat killed it.

[1771] I'm good with rats.

[1772] But it was because Marshall was running around here that the rats smelled that the dog had been in there and they got in there.

[1773] Look this.

[1774] It's crazy.

[1775] Dog poop attracts rats because they like to eat it plain and simple.

[1776] In fact, dog poo is said to be the number one food source for rats in developed areas.

[1777] But meanwhile, Marshall didn't even shit in here.

[1778] I would go like just the smell.

[1779] They might go wherever it's the smell like smoke fire.

[1780] He pissed outside and he accidentally pissed in my gym.

[1781] He lifted his leg to pee on the rogue box, the, you know, step -up box.

[1782] And I go, hey, cut the shit, we're inside.

[1783] And then I took him outside, and then he finished his piss.

[1784] So maybe the rat could smell the piss.

[1785] I was just going to say, yeah, the rat smells it.

[1786] That's fucked up, though, man. That is fucked up.

[1787] We never had a problem.

[1788] I wonder how it works with, like, those rat terriers.

[1789] They have dogs of that shit.

[1790] Oh, yeah.

[1791] A little rat terrier.

[1792] Get a few of those little motherfuckers running around.

[1793] Those little things never shut up, dog.

[1794] Ah, ww -w -w -w -w -w -w -wop.

[1795] Yep, yep.

[1796] They're go, go, go.

[1797] My friend, Vicki Lewis from News Radio, one of the actresses of News Radio, she had a Jack Russell.

[1798] Yeah, there you go.

[1799] Great.

[1800] Great dog.

[1801] Tons a day.

[1802] It's a big dog and a little dog's body.

[1803] Like, a huge attitude.

[1804] Like, they step up to, like, big mastiffs and fucking punk them.

[1805] They're cool, man. Well, they're little rat killers.

[1806] Yeah, they're rat terriers.

[1807] Like, they're terriers.

[1808] Did you ever see that documentary on Netflix about rats?

[1809] Mm -mm.

[1810] Horrific.

[1811] Really?

[1812] Horrific.

[1813] Like, just in terms of infestation and whatnot.

[1814] It's disgusting.

[1815] How many of them there are in big cities?

[1816] Like, you realize, like, how, what a, what a, what a real thing?

[1817] issue it is.

[1818] My wife, my wife freaks the fuck out if she sees a fucking rat.

[1819] She's smart.

[1820] She's smart.

[1821] Well, we had like a little incident.

[1822] We were fucking parked at a parking garage in the 4th July.

[1823] We parked the car and we're walking down to watch the fireworks.

[1824] And she's standing there and she fucking felt something on her foot.

[1825] And she looked at a giant fucking rat chewing on her fucking nail polish.

[1826] She's like, Jesus Christ.

[1827] Freak the fuck out.

[1828] Never been the same.

[1829] You literally like my son Dante always fucks at her.

[1830] He's like, Mom, look a rat.

[1831] And she's fucking freaks the fuck out.

[1832] She's like, Dante, that's not funny.

[1833] Stop that shit.

[1834] We all laugh at it.

[1835] It's fucking hilarious.

[1836] Deathly afraid of rats.

[1837] Rats are nasty, dude.

[1838] They're so gross.

[1839] Rats are nasty.

[1840] They're good for something, though.

[1841] Don't they control something in terms of population?

[1842] They have, like, benefits.

[1843] They're good at keeping rat populations high.

[1844] Yeah, that's about it.

[1845] What are they good for it?

[1846] They're good for cleaning up dog shit.

[1847] Yeah.

[1848] That's nasty.

[1849] I didn't imagine that's their number one source of food?

[1850] It's gross.

[1851] What the fuck, man?

[1852] They must have horrible breath.

[1853] Yeah.

[1854] What a creepy little survivor.

[1855] But the documentary on Netflix is brilliant.

[1856] It really is good.

[1857] And in one of the scenes, they have these rat terriers tearing them apart where they're digging into these holes and the rats come out and the dogs just grab them and mangle them.

[1858] That's what they're for.

[1859] Do you think they're like, it's, I'm just, I just read something quickly and it doesn't really say much.

[1860] You think they just, like, do they eat trash and they help us?

[1861] No. Yeah.

[1862] We throw trash away.

[1863] They don't need to eat it.

[1864] They control some population.

[1865] They got to be good for fucking something.

[1866] Well, there's an ecosystem, right?

[1867] Exactly.

[1868] Every animal has its little spot.

[1869] Dude, we get the big Boston rats.

[1870] They literally, like, they fucking punk cats.

[1871] They look like, they're like the size of like a possum.

[1872] They're like, way bigger than like any jacked up squirrel or anything like that.

[1873] They're just big, big, the triangle tails, like, nasty.

[1874] They're survivor cats, rather.

[1875] They're out cold winter and they figure out a way to get under the ground.

[1876] They're fucking Boston rats.

[1877] They got accents and shit.

[1878] They're like, do pack the car.

[1879] fucking scally cap on running around eating dog shit do you ever think about bailing the fucking winters there and everything does it get to you all the time all the time yeah i mean my parents are elderly like i gotta keep an eye on them and all my family's in boston and my business is in boston but you know luckily i travel a lot so it's kind of like the the vent you know i mean i get away and i'll fucking do like a day or two on a beach somewhere at a ufc event like and and that'll be like a little recharge but man i'm as i get older i I never really was like, you know, overwhelmed with winters until I started getting older.

[1880] And I'm like, dude, my body hurts, my muscles ache, my joints ache.

[1881] The cold's nasty, especially that New England cold, man, it's like wet cold.

[1882] It takes so long.

[1883] You got the fuck out.

[1884] I remember we talked about this.

[1885] You're like, fuck winter, fuck snow.

[1886] Like, fuck that.

[1887] Well, here's the thing.

[1888] I like some places where it gets cold.

[1889] Like, I love Colorado.

[1890] Yeah, I remember you lived there for a little bit.

[1891] I'd move back there.

[1892] If we, Jamie and I have talked about it.

[1893] Like, this shit gets too crazy here.

[1894] It's a different cold, though.

[1895] It's like the...

[1896] It's fine.

[1897] Yeah, it's not as bad as, like, the New England winter is just, like, wet, nasty.

[1898] Four -wheel drive, snow tires, warm clothes, fireplace, good.

[1899] Archery.

[1900] Just do it.

[1901] It's just...

[1902] In Colorado, it's sunny.

[1903] Yeah.

[1904] That's the other thing.

[1905] Good point.

[1906] Colorado's sunny, like 300 plus days a year.

[1907] Boston, you go through months with that gray shit in the sky.

[1908] So true.

[1909] We don't see past the clouds.

[1910] You never see nothing.

[1911] just a dull gray blanket hanging over your head follows you around and the women the attitude they have like yeah what are you gonna do for me well you wonder why they like that fucking miserable yeah but I'll tell you what though Boston in the summer I love Boston the summer oh it's amazing as soon as like the sun's out guns out everybody's running around girls are dressing half dressed everybody looks happy exactly like everybody's happy everybody's chilling.

[1912] Boston in the summer's cool.

[1913] I like Boston.

[1914] I'm a Boston native.

[1915] I always will be true and true, but definitely not a fan of the winters.

[1916] Do you think you're going to bail someday?

[1917] Probably, yeah.

[1918] Where are you going to go?

[1919] That's a good question.

[1920] Possibly.

[1921] Hmm.

[1922] Hmm.

[1923] You looking for work?

[1924] You hiring?

[1925] Listen, if I was going to hire a Muay coach.

[1926] There you go.

[1927] Start up a gym.

[1928] I like it.

[1929] We do that.

[1930] I've almost relocated a few times.

[1931] They could use one out here, honestly.

[1932] Yeah, there's It's not like a real dedicated moitat gym anywhere near me. Yeah, I got offers, you know, obviously, like working, you know, for the company and whatnot, you know, some offers to move to Vegas and whatnot.

[1933] And at first it's like, fuck, Vegas.

[1934] I'll never live in Vegas.

[1935] Yeah, that's, that's like, but then I started hanging around with, like, the right people and like.

[1936] Henderson.

[1937] Oh, dude, out of Summerland, like, where, like, Lorenzo lives, like hanging out going to, like, football games with Lorenzo and the family.

[1938] Like, dude, there's like families, little kids riding bikes down the street.

[1939] It's like a community.

[1940] It's normal.

[1941] It felt normal.

[1942] Like, Summerland, Summerlin and Vegas felt normal to me. Like, I felt like I could actually live in Summerlin, like, you know.

[1943] The thing about it is...

[1944] I need to be near the ocean.

[1945] All connected to the evil dick of Vegas.

[1946] It's all, like, all the jizz comes out of the evil dick, and that's what powers...

[1947] It powers all those communities.

[1948] Those communities wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the casino.

[1949] You're absolutely right, man. The worst is seeing, like, the locals, like, get their check on Fridays and they go right to the fucking casino and they just blow through it.

[1950] It's fucking sad to see, man. Vegas is a fucking weird place dude I'm way over Vegas people like Oh you're gonna Vegas that's fucking awesome dude I never been I'm like dude it's nothing awesome about fucking Well the good parts are really good Like the restaurants are amazing Vegas has some of the best restaurants Yeah they still have 24 hour pool halls I was just gonna say that's one thing that I like about Vegas It's nothing's ever closed You want a fucking burger it's fucking four o 'clock in the one Go fucking get a burger somewhere You want to go out you want to have a drink You want to play pool like we've done many of times Like late at night middle of night That's what I love about it.

[1951] I'm a night owl, for sure.

[1952] Like, I don't sleep, like, well at night.

[1953] Like, if I would choose, like, just to, like, operate, like, from, from the sunset, like, sundown, like, to sun up, like, and then sleep all day, like, I would.

[1954] Like, other than laying in the sun, like, I'm a night owl, for sure.

[1955] But that's the one thing I do like about Vegas, so it's nothing, nothing's ever closed.

[1956] It makes you feel weird.

[1957] Like, why can't I buy a drink at 3 a .m.?

[1958] Yeah, exactly.

[1959] Like, why do you, why come I can't have a beer when I want to have a beer?

[1960] Am I a grown man?

[1961] Yeah, exactly.

[1962] It's like after two.

[1963] where everybody gets crazy.

[1964] Stop it.

[1965] Isn't that weird that we have time?

[1966] Or like we tell you, look, you got to go to bed.

[1967] Yeah.

[1968] It's over.

[1969] As if it's going to like give us structure and like teach us lessons.

[1970] But I guess it does.

[1971] It does.

[1972] Like the gambling thing.

[1973] The thing about gambling is if gambling was everywhere, then it would normalize.

[1974] Right.

[1975] But it's not everywhere.

[1976] It's just in a couple spots.

[1977] So when you get to it, that's when people are like up playing cards at fucking 5 o 'clock in the morning, bleary -eyed.

[1978] Yeah.

[1979] Betting their.

[1980] mortgage, pumping oxygen into the casinos.

[1981] There's so many people go there and lose everything.

[1982] Everything they have.

[1983] I can't even fathom that.

[1984] Like, it happens all the time.

[1985] Do you gamble?

[1986] No, not really.

[1987] You know, I mean, I'll entertain and play, like, some blackjack or something like that if, like, my buddies are playing, but I'm not really, like, I don't, I don't go out of my way to gamble.

[1988] I like bets on fights.

[1989] I was just going to say the same thing.

[1990] I like betting fights.

[1991] I like doing stuff like that or just whatever, bets with friends, whatever, but.

[1992] Betting fights just makes it more interesting.

[1993] Absolutely.

[1994] Like, you know, like, yeah, give me 50 bucks on this.

[1995] And then while you're watching it, you're like, come on, come on, come on.

[1996] And then you always feel real sneaky when you get a shit decision.

[1997] You're like, ooh, we won that one.

[1998] We didn't deserve it.

[1999] My buddy, one of my guys I train Rico DeShullo, he bets fights, and he is fucking spot on, man. He doesn't miss. Really?

[2000] Oh, dude, he can, I literally, I consult him between, because I, you know, Marin and the truck, I'm always betting what Marin were always just, like, betting on fights.

[2001] and I just I go right to my buddy Rico I'm like Rico who you got who you like did you consult him about this weekend uh yes and he was spot on with every fight except for one I think Nicola Matthias Niccolo who got caught by uh Dustin Ortiz I think that was the only fight he missed that was a crazy head kick it was man and he set it up nice too he set it up real nice because you know it almost look it was like delayed it's almost like one speed and then it and then it changed direction it changed speed and he went high with it he set it up good It was done well.

[2002] Yeah, it almost like not a question mark kick, but it looked like he was going to the middle.

[2003] Bring that up real quick, change.

[2004] Take a peek at that.

[2005] Because it's like he was establishing like a low kick at first.

[2006] And then it's almost like he went to look like it was going to throw a low kick.

[2007] And then he changed the speed of the kick.

[2008] I call it like the delay.

[2009] If you delay the kick and you change the timing of the kick, it's hard to read.

[2010] That's how he caught him.

[2011] You actually had a glove up too, oddly enough, but it went right through the glove.

[2012] Yeah.

[2013] It was a good angle.

[2014] Dustin looked good though, man. He looked real good.

[2015] Yeah.

[2016] Yeah.

[2017] He's a stud, you know?

[2018] Yeah, he really is.

[2019] Well, they need people at that weight class.

[2020] Yeah.

[2021] Who the fuck is there?

[2022] Yeah, you're right.

[2023] After this weekend, who's there, you know?

[2024] Good question.

[2025] I mean, unless T .J. comes down or Cody comes down, depending upon who wins this fight.

[2026] Yeah.

[2027] Apparently, they can both make the weight.

[2028] And that's nothing, too.

[2029] Wasn't Demetrius concerned with that he's going to commit to having a fight with one of them and then go through a full camp and then they miss weight and then he's fucked.

[2030] So he said, like, take a fight.

[2031] Yeah, fight it, fly weight.

[2032] I agree with that 100 % yeah I do but I don't think they would miss weight those guys are super professional both of them are and and TJ had already said he'd made the weight before he has yeah wow he's tried it yeah yeah he's got interesting well he seems smaller than he used to be I was just gonna say yeah he's he's definitely a lot leaner than he used to be you know is this it here what part of the fight do I'm gonna get to they have these little things just the knockout itself to finish the Dustin Ortiz finish against the Matthias Nicola was it I'm not why I did that this is is a chick fight dude you don't know what you're doing you're son of a bitch that kid uh matayesto niccolo he trained he came through the gym through a couple of my Brazilian students saul and rodrigo here it is he uh this kid's tough man so dustin those an impressive win you know yeah i mean there literally are see i would kind of delayed do you see that yeah play that back again he changes speed in the kick i noticed that in the replay when we were calling him I was like, look at this, how he does this.

[2033] Let's see here.

[2034] Yeah, it's right here.

[2035] Watch the speed change.

[2036] Yeah, yeah, in the beginning.

[2037] That's what made it difficult to read.

[2038] It's kind of like, moved out at a weird angle.

[2039] Yeah, it did.

[2040] Yep.

[2041] It came up like at a 45 degree angle.

[2042] He won't let go.

[2043] Nope.

[2044] Did he bonus for this fight?

[2045] I don't know.

[2046] I do not like bonuses.

[2047] I do not like win bonuses.

[2048] I don't like them.

[2049] I don't think win bonus.

[2050] Because I don't think you should be paid more to win.

[2051] Everyone's trying to win.

[2052] I don't think you should lose because a fucking judge who has no idea what they're talking about.

[2053] Look, he blocked up fairly decent.

[2054] Yeah, yeah, he had the glove up, yeah.

[2055] And still got caoed.

[2056] Right through.

[2057] Right through.

[2058] Or just got rocked.

[2059] I don't think, especially since they haven't dealt well at all with the judging issue.

[2060] I mean, they really have done a terrible job with judging.

[2061] Yeah.

[2062] These state commissions.

[2063] Yeah.

[2064] There's so much bad judging.

[2065] So if you have three people, I think the system sucks.

[2066] I think the judging system itself, the 10 point must system is out.

[2067] dated.

[2068] It's not right for MMA.

[2069] It's great for boxing.

[2070] It's not good for MMA.

[2071] I think it needs to be revamped and restructured.

[2072] And I think it should be a completely different system.

[2073] And then I think on top of that, the judges are incompetent.

[2074] There's so much incompetence.

[2075] I was just going to say it's incompetence is what it is.

[2076] You have those factors and then you have bad decisions all the time.

[2077] It's horrible.

[2078] With these bad decisions, you give a win bonus to the wrong person and the wrong person gets fucked over.

[2079] You know, and the swing is half the pay.

[2080] Yeah, and at their level, the pay scale, it's just like they're already making fucking peanuts.

[2081] But, yeah, and if you're not making peanuts, it costs you more.

[2082] It costs you 100 grand, cost you even more than that.

[2083] And if you make 150 and 150, and then you should have won a fight and you lost, you lost $150 ,000 because those three people are incompetent.

[2084] That's right, exactly, because they did a fucking eight -hour course on a Saturday, never fucking put a glove on.

[2085] And they don't care.

[2086] This is the thing.

[2087] They're not, they're not fans.

[2088] Yeah.

[2089] They just do that because that's their job.

[2090] And it's a cool job.

[2091] Yeah, I mean, it's...

[2092] To tell their boys, it's a cool job.

[2093] There are some judges that do know what they're doing, so they're not...

[2094] Yeah, there's a small handful of them.

[2095] There is.

[2096] There is, yeah.

[2097] And they have to helicopter the men.

[2098] Pretty much.

[2099] It's a crazy system.

[2100] The system badly needs to be updated.

[2101] I don't understand why they haven't.

[2102] It just doesn't make any sense to me. I'm with you, homie.

[2103] But I don't like the win bonus thing, man. I just think you should get paid.

[2104] It should be a flat rate, like it isn't boxing.

[2105] You know, I just...

[2106] I don't think it incentivizes people to fight harder.

[2107] I don't believe that.

[2108] I think the winners are always going to try to win.

[2109] You know, I don't, and I think, like I said about fighting, like, don't fight technical.

[2110] You go out there and you let it all hang out.

[2111] Yeah.

[2112] Uh -uh.

[2113] Don't do that.

[2114] You're going to have a nice short career if you do that.

[2115] True.

[2116] And that's what happens to those guys.

[2117] It does, yeah.

[2118] It's good for the business.

[2119] It's good for the company.

[2120] It's good for the, that night, the views, the way the people are watching.

[2121] It'll be a little bit more entertaining.

[2122] But you're not going to make it.

[2123] You're going to leave half your brain in that octagon.

[2124] That's another thing, too, man. We talk about that all the time, too, is seeing these guys take trauma the way they do, man. It's hard to watch, man. As much as we've spoke about this briefly in the past, but as much as a fan as I am and as involved as I am in the sport, man, it's hard to watch sometimes, man, seeing these guys take the damage they do.

[2125] I remember, like I told you, I think I told you a story before, Marcus Davis, after his fight coincidentally enough, I believe, with Chris Lytle, he lost his sense of smell for like seven months he couldn't he couldn't smell I remember I told you about this but you know he couldn't smell like anything which means you can't taste so like he would he'd be like bro I'd smell like shit and like people would have to tell me like bro he fucking stink and then he'd be like I put on too much clone and be like bro easy on the cologne like he had no clue like you know he couldn't taste like lemonade tastes like fucking fruit punch he had no fucking clue he had no sense of smell or taste for seven months imagine that he'd thank God it did yeah but he even said i was like would you would you miss the most like and he's like the smell of my daughter's hair and i was like that's fucking trippy dude and he kept fighting i was like check please like i'm all set and he kept fighting too that was that was that was on i don't want to say early in his career but maybe halfway through well he again came from that school of hard knocks in boston with the joll lake yeah exactly yep hard sparring you know hard training that's what i was saying about uh jeremy stevens earlier to to bring it all back around Jeremy Spar is hard.

[2126] I was talking to Jocko about it.

[2127] It's like, you know, Jeremy's an animal.

[2128] I remember discussing that with Lorenzo back in the day as he went to Brazil when they were doing the Aldo pieces and whatnot.

[2129] He went to Novan Down.

[2130] He said, man, these fucking guys kill each other in the gym.

[2131] Yeah.

[2132] He's like, it's like literally like they're 100 % headhunting trying to kill each other.

[2133] I don't agree with that at all, obviously.

[2134] Not good.

[2135] It's horrible.

[2136] And there's so many guys that get really badly rocked.

[2137] on their way to fights.

[2138] Oh, yeah.

[2139] All the time.

[2140] If, like, sometimes, like, if a guy takes a big punch, like, and he gets a flash K .O., like, in the gym, like, if we got to pull him from a fight because of that, because he's affected at that point.

[2141] It's, like, still, you know, there's residual, like, there.

[2142] You know, I mean, it's still lingering.

[2143] No way around it.

[2144] No way around it, man. I even had, like, a student of mine, my guy Tommy, ended up, he had got no car accident, you know, like a week before his fight.

[2145] and this kid's got a granite chin and he got he got caught like and we attributed to the impact of the car crash like we said it had to have been like you suffered some head trauma because he hit his head in the car crash and he was susceptible he was vulnerable to the CO because of the trauma that he took so you're taking big punches in the gym like that and then you go on on fight night it's that much easy a few to get lights out you know yeah 100 percent but it's it's so hard to make a tough elite fighter without subjecting them to yeah exactly well you see like Robbie Lala like like he's talked about He doesn't spire anymore.

[2146] Well, he didn't for a long time.

[2147] He didn't for a long time.

[2148] And he did when he went to ATT.

[2149] Okay.

[2150] But for a long time, he didn't.

[2151] Yeah.

[2152] Like all through his strike force career, he didn't spar.

[2153] Which seems crazy.

[2154] Like, I already know how to fight.

[2155] Okay.

[2156] I'm not going to argue with you.

[2157] Yeah, I was just going to say, that boy can't fight.

[2158] He can't argue with that.

[2159] He can fucking fight.

[2160] He's had a lot of fight, a lot of tough fights.

[2161] That's why I was so impressive with Rafael Dosangios did to him.

[2162] It was like Dosangios just sort of dismantled him.

[2163] I didn't see that coming.

[2164] And then Colby Covington dismending.

[2165] This man do Sanjo.

[2166] So I was like, what in the hell?

[2167] He took him apart.

[2168] Dude, gas tank for days.

[2169] Relentless fucking pressure.

[2170] I got tired watching the fucking fight.

[2171] I was gasped in the truck.

[2172] Meanwhile, Dosanjo's known for his cardio.

[2173] He's one of Nick Hurson's pupils.

[2174] So he's like, you know, trains in that Marinovich style.

[2175] I honestly, like, around the second round, I was like, there's no way he can keep this pace up.

[2176] He's got to fade.

[2177] And he never fucking faded.

[2178] He never faded.

[2179] Do you see him hand the belt of Donald Trump?

[2180] I was looking at it on the way here.

[2181] I was looking at it.

[2182] I was like, that's crazy.

[2183] It said something like an MMA junkie.

[2184] Like he comes through with his, as stated, he comes through.

[2185] He said he's going to bring the belt to the White House.

[2186] He's got fucking Donald Trump with a strap over his shoulder.

[2187] It's so funny, man. He's a mad man. He's got the maga hat on.

[2188] He's got the red hat on.

[2189] Dude, he's fucking sold it, man. He has, and you got to remember early in Colby's career.

[2190] He wasn't.

[2191] like that.

[2192] Yeah.

[2193] He wasn't like that.

[2194] He just figured it out.

[2195] Where do you come from?

[2196] I know he's at ATT.

[2197] Oregon.

[2198] But where was he training before ATT?

[2199] That's a good question.

[2200] I do not know.

[2201] Because he kind of, I don't want to say, came out of nowhere.

[2202] Like he earned his way in, but he really like, it was like, there it's a sick fucking bastard.

[2203] I love it.

[2204] It's so funny that a red hat with white letters can get you punched now.

[2205] I mean, it could say anything.

[2206] This girl had a hat on it said, make Bitcoin great again.

[2207] They fucking, they, what's that hat saying on Kobe.

[2208] What's the hat?

[2209] Make America great again?

[2210] Make America great.

[2211] Yeah.

[2212] But a red hat with white letters is racist now.

[2213] That might as well be a Nazi flag to some people.

[2214] This, this, this.

[2215] It's a gun so crazy.

[2216] It is crazy right now, dude.

[2217] It's a topsy -turvy world we're living in.

[2218] Burning flags and shit.

[2219] It's ridiculous.

[2220] Well, listen, brother, we got to get out of here.

[2221] Yeah, we got to go to the wayans, man. Get to the way -ins.

[2222] It's at three o 'clock today, right?

[2223] I believe so.

[2224] I think three o 'clock in morphium.

[2225] Yeah, and it's probably a three -hour drive.

[2226] Delagrata, karate, carate, sit your tongue in Boston, tell people how they can get to your gym.

[2227] Look me up, man. Literally one of the very best Moitai gyms and MMA gyms on the planet Earth.

[2228] Thank you, my brother.

[2229] And it's in Somerville.

[2230] Spell it.

[2231] S -I -T -Y -O -D -T -O -N -G.

[2232] Sit -Y -T -Y -T -Y -T -Y -T -Y -T -Y -T -Y -T -Y -T -Y -T -Y -L -Y -E -Y.

[2233] And it's in Boston, Massachusetts.

[2234] Awesome.

[2235] Don't sleep.

[2236] Mark Deleg -Grante.

[2237] Love you, buddy.

[2238] Love you, bro.

[2239] We have so fun.

[2240] Absolutely.

[2241] Let's do it.

[2242] See ya.