2 - My Second Best Murder

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[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

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[15] Goodbye.

[16] Hey, welcome to my favorite murder.

[17] Hey, I'm Karen.

[18] I'm Georgia.

[19] And we love murder.

[20] We love murder.

[21] We don't want to get murdered.

[22] We love true crime.

[23] We love true crime.

[24] We love to talk about bad things that have happened to good people.

[25] Yep.

[26] Hopefully they won't happen to us if we talk about it enough.

[27] It's as if we could ward it off with just our, with our positive verbal energies.

[28] And our anxiety over getting murdered.

[29] Because sometimes when you share an anxiety, it alleviates it a little bit.

[30] Yeah.

[31] I think it also lessens the chance of it happening.

[32] That's right.

[33] We're really, we're changing the future with our words or diffusing the possibility of getting stabbed multiple times we're diffusing the stab bomb you know what I do I have a problem with though whenever I talk about like murder how it could die your car like on a recording I just think about them using it when it actually happens in in my like 48 hours yes yeah in your 2020 for example our new favorite show that I wouldn't let you talk about with me there's a video let me can I can you just tell people who are listening.

[34] Let's start from the very beginning.

[35] Georgia was very harsh with me when I arrived at her apartment.

[36] She said, have you been watching that?

[37] And I said, don't talk about it.

[38] Have you been watching?

[39] I barely had the word watching out and she screamed, don't talk about it.

[40] But didn't explain that she wanted to save it for the podcast.

[41] It was as if this was a forbidden subject.

[42] Like I literally was like, never talk about it.

[43] Like how I am with sex in the city.

[44] Don't talk about it.

[45] In front of me. Oh, you don't want to spoiler?

[46] Is that why?

[47] Right.

[48] Ever in my life.

[49] I want to keep that pure for the rest of my days.

[50] You've never done one episode.

[51] I saw part of once when they went to L .A. And it was, it really depressed me. Fair enough.

[52] Okay.

[53] Let's talk about it.

[54] Okay.

[55] I meant, I meant save it for the show.

[56] Okay.

[57] This is the show.

[58] Okay.

[59] I just started watching it yesterday.

[60] Same with me. What episode are you on?

[61] Two.

[62] Okay, this is fun.

[63] Because I'm on like, we just finished three.

[64] Oh, okay.

[65] Okay.

[66] The show we're talking about is, making of a murder?

[67] Making a murderer?

[68] Making a murderer on Netflix.

[69] It's like, think the jinks, but fucking better.

[70] Yeah.

[71] Do you love it?

[72] It's amazing.

[73] What I think is amazing is we are truly now in this era where everyone's life has been recorded in some way because there is so much footage of that guy.

[74] So much.

[75] So much footage.

[76] And you realize it's because that's how everything works these days.

[77] Yeah, but he was also in the news, like for the past 18 years.

[78] years.

[79] Yes.

[80] So the story is and it's really funny because there's two separate stories here one of which the murder I already knew about so as soon and I didn't realize that that's what was going on until they started talking about the murder.

[81] So the first episode which I thought was a standalone thing I thought they were just going to talk about like people who got exonerated.

[82] Oh.

[83] The first episode is the story of this guy Stephen Avery getting Spoilers.

[84] Spoilers.

[85] Yeah but you're going to see the first episode.

[86] It's fine.

[87] He gets exonerated for rape after 18 years in prison.

[88] And kind of finding out that he's been railroaded by his own cousin and the people that live in his community.

[89] It's one of those like, it's like the West Memphis 3 where it's like, how the fuck did this get as far as it did?

[90] One of those like, these guys clearly a huge miscarriage of justice.

[91] This is terrifying.

[92] We could go to prison at any moment for anything.

[93] Yeah.

[94] Well, yes, because it's that freaky thing of like, as you pull back and realize this is happening all over the country, all over the world, where people in power it's an abusive power and people just doing whatever they want to do There's these amazing interviews Oh my God, all the depositions There's like hundreds of hours of depositions And it's these people that I swear to God If it was a sketch show You'd be like that guy's too broad Totally Like the the mealy -mouthed District Attorney guy With the little glasses And the kind of perfectly balding head That was like They are so depressing Like they are the reasons I point to all of them that I never want to work in an office job again if I can save myself because those are the people you work with and you fucking hate them.

[95] And more so for me is watching people lie, it's so fascinating because you can smell a lie.

[96] It doesn't matter how you think you might be good at it or whatever.

[97] People know you're lying.

[98] Who do you think you are?

[99] Everyone knows you're lying.

[100] And that one sheriff who was kind of big with the mustache that did a drawing.

[101] Who did a drawing and got them framed like a fucking disgusting.

[102] Like he's the guy who goes hunting and gets like and like kills an animal.

[103] animal with like a shot to the head and then frames it on as well.

[104] Crazy.

[105] I mean like just the the level of smugness and the way that guy would talk what made me love that.

[106] He talks like I'm, you're stupid.

[107] I'm so much smarter than you.

[108] I'm going to act like it.

[109] And meanwhile he's talking to a lawyer that's deposing.

[110] Totally.

[111] And a lawyer who gets paid to argue.

[112] So the guy's like, let me finish.

[113] Like the lawyer ends up feeling like a teacher.

[114] And this guy's like, I don't remember that.

[115] Such a smug piece of shit.

[116] lies.

[117] What do you think?

[118] Yeah, he's just all of it.

[119] It's so gross.

[120] And then it turns into, and I think we can talk about the crime because this is a murder that we probably would have eventually gotten to because it's stuck with me for so.

[121] It's stuck with me because of what this woman went through, the torture that she went through.

[122] Oh, no. Did you ever hear about it before?

[123] I don't know because I'm like right in the part where they're looking for her.

[124] I mean, obviously know she's.

[125] Do you remember there's one where she gets kidnapped and tied up and the nephew and this guy.

[126] raped and tortured her.

[127] I remembered it because of the nephew part.

[128] Okay.

[129] So when that started happening and they start talking about it around the third episode, I was like, oh, shit.

[130] And then his nephew comes in.

[131] So I'm like, well, this is, then he did it because I remember this murder.

[132] But they get to, it's crazy.

[133] So wait, basically, you're remembering a thing that you saw in like a 2020 style thing, but it was wrong?

[134] I don't, well, that's what we're, that's what we're examining.

[135] Okay.

[136] Is did he commit this murder or did they say?

[137] set him up because this guy Stephen Avery is now suing the shit out of the county that put him in jail wrongfully and are they setting him up because this woman disappeared?

[138] Are they setting him up for the murder?

[139] Yeah.

[140] That's like the question they're going to answer.

[141] I'm positive they are and I'm only halfway through the second episode.

[142] It's great and it's wonderful because it's one of those things with serial where episode to episode you're like, he's guilty.

[143] He's not guilty.

[144] He's guilty.

[145] And they the reason they found out about it is because the nephew confessed and you're like, well, then and he did it.

[146] And then they show you, they have footage of the nephew confessing.

[147] And it is, it is troubling.

[148] Oh, no. Like when you say, I can tell people are lying, he's lying.

[149] This kid is making this shit up and it's a false confession.

[150] But is it?

[151] I don't know.

[152] I'm sorry.

[153] Is it?

[154] I'm sorry.

[155] But it's that weird thing where also, it's so much easier when you're watching a documentary and going like, look at this guy.

[156] So it's been laid out for me. Right.

[157] Like if they were manipulating me to not like people or like people, whatever, I fall for that stuff every single time.

[158] totally every time and everyone now including us thinks we're like fucking we're like sleuths and we're like professional and good at this and can sense things and really like we're just we just like have a podcast and like talking about it well but i'll tell you this here's one thing i can't sense is when a big fat smug guy with a mustache is lying for sure i know for sure i can tell because it's a good they get real like their cadence is very condescending like i don't remember and it's all like how would i know Well, how would I know that?

[159] Yeah.

[160] How would I remember this from years ago?

[161] Right.

[162] Fuck you.

[163] It's so funny.

[164] Well, it can also tell when there's a 16 -year -old in a police room being deposed by or being questioned without parental, like, guardians or lawyers and being fed information, it's fucking great.

[165] Wow.

[166] It's chilling.

[167] So my hope is that episode 10, don't watch it without me. I'm like, we'll watch it together.

[168] Oh, good idea.

[169] We'll get everyone together who's watching it.

[170] because you go live because we're recording watch it together I don't know that's great something will happen so we just scream the entire time just a lot of screaming you can't even hear it yeah yeah let's watch 10 together you know what's really funny too is I mean this will come out later but people I bet a lot of people will have watched it by the time this actually comes out well what's fun is it's not episodic you can go binge the fuck out of it right now yeah it's all on there that's the best but it seems like a bunch of people did that because it was like a wild fire of people on Twitter being like making of a murder like all of a sudden in a five hour block everyone was tweeting that they were watching it was weird smart like I feel like episodic makes people more into something maybe makes you smarter no makes people more into something oh like yes because you just sit in your house and watch it all day and it like you becomes your life totally like now that fargo's over what am I going to watch for real God bless Fargo right gorgeous if Kirsten doesn't win all the awards even like The ones that don't make any sense.

[171] I'm going to be bummed.

[172] Did I already brag to you that I know the casting director?

[173] No. Because she goes to my dog park.

[174] No. Yeah, she became dog park friends.

[175] Oh, my God.

[176] And then after chatting.

[177] And she's just a total, like, one of us kind of gal.

[178] Oh, my God.

[179] And it turns up that.

[180] And so we have each other's phone numbers, like, to text because everyone's want to be like, oh, text me if you're going to go.

[181] Yeah.

[182] So we'll be at the dog park at the same time.

[183] Holy shit.

[184] Text me if you're going to go, bring Kirst and dust.

[185] the first episode I watched I text her I'm like this show is amazing because I was I loved the first season and I was like there's no way the second season it's going to be as good and it was like so good so good so good so yeah everyone go watch what is it making of a murder making of a murderer making a murderer tell us about it oh I made us a Facebook fan page not fan I made my favorite murder a Facebook page nice so everyone go on there and talk about that and tell us your your town murder all this stuff.

[186] Right, yes.

[187] We want to know what's happened what happened in your town that you've been talking about since you were 10.

[188] We want to know your Facebook murder or your favorite murder.

[189] What?

[190] Could be the Facebook murderer.

[191] What if there was a Facebook murderer?

[192] Oh, there's a Craigslist murderer.

[193] Yeah.

[194] Not a face.

[195] Because it's so low rent.

[196] It's a ratchet.

[197] Should we get to what our favorite murders are?

[198] Yes.

[199] For this episode?

[200] Yeah.

[201] Do you want to go first?

[202] Do you want me to go to first?

[203] I want you to go first.

[204] You want me to go first?

[205] Yeah.

[206] This is one of the ones where I've done less research on it, but I know the story in my heart.

[207] Totally.

[208] These are more fun.

[209] It's a murder of my heart.

[210] But it's the Paul Bernardo, Carla Holmulka, husband and wife murder team where it was in, I believe it was Toronto.

[211] Yes.

[212] And in the early 90s.

[213] and it was a weird power dynamic abusive relationship and he basically um he basically got his wife to help him lure teenage girls into their homes so that he could rape them and and ultimately murder them and they started off with her younger sister i remember i love this one it's so crazy they drugged her younger sister who was like 14 yeah um they put put drugs in her drink, and then, like, they roofied her, and then he raped her and she videotaped it.

[214] This is her younger sister.

[215] You thought Canada was all maple syrup and politeness.

[216] Totally.

[217] And there's one exception to that rule, and it's Paul Bernardo.

[218] But the reason I like this, aside from the insanity of that part, where they would drive around looking for teen girls.

[219] It's so scary because you think, like, you see a woman and you're like, I'm safe.

[220] Like if something, like, let's say for some reason I was hitchhiking, which I would fucking never do because I'm terrified of murder.

[221] But it happened that I was and a couple stopped, I'd be like, this is okay because the woman's here.

[222] Yes.

[223] So he's not going to murder me with his like wife or whatever.

[224] Which is, that's how, you know the story of the woman who.

[225] Yep, in the box.

[226] Oh my God.

[227] It's so crazy.

[228] Yep.

[229] Georgia, the way you just did that.

[230] I wish you guys could have seen.

[231] What did I do?

[232] You practically winked at me. You're like, yep, say no more.

[233] This is a day where Georgia knows everything I'm going to say to her.

[234] I do.

[235] But that girl, the woman got into the car because it was a couple in the front seat.

[236] And then they put her head in a carpeted box.

[237] How terrifying.

[238] So awful.

[239] And then they ended up keeping her in a box under the bed for seven years.

[240] Yeah.

[241] And then they tied her up.

[242] Did you see the photo of her tied up from her trial?

[243] No. They don't show her face, but she's like splayed naked.

[244] And you know what the most fucked up thing about that story is?

[245] Is that they brought her home to her house to be like, look, she's fine, everyone.

[246] Yeah.

[247] Yeah.

[248] And that in and of itself was this big, a huge thing for him because he had her so brainashed.

[249] And that idea that like there's a syndicate that's out to get you so you can't go anywhere.

[250] You can't tell anybody.

[251] He told her that he made her sign a thing.

[252] Yeah.

[253] That said the company.

[254] I think he called it the company.

[255] I mean, would you want to be like I would never believe that as soon as I. I thought that I would just start screaming the minute I got in the door of my family's house because he was like, look, we're dating.

[256] Everything is normal.

[257] So you can stop looking for her.

[258] But he broke her.

[259] He broke her on the deepest psychological level.

[260] It can't be that hard when you're putting someone in boxes to break them.

[261] It actually isn't, I don't think.

[262] If you feed people like only sugar, don't let them sleep, make them jump around.

[263] That's how cults do it.

[264] Sugar?

[265] Really?

[266] That's like a...

[267] Yeah.

[268] That's how like the Mooney's would do it.

[269] Why?

[270] Just because your brain is...

[271] If you don't have enough protein and you only eat sugar, then you have these weird energy bursts and you do like a lot of crazy stuff and then you are exhausted, but then they wake you up at three in the morning to go and do a weird...

[272] I'm putting myself in a cult then because I was just constantly...

[273] I mean, cookies, am I right?

[274] It is crazy.

[275] I need to eat more protein.

[276] So anyway, but here's my twisterroo.

[277] That's kind of a hometown story.

[278] So Paul Bernardo was the husband of this hideous.

[279] they of course eventually caught him but when they caught him in taking his DNA they linked him to a longstanding set of unsolved rapes they were calling him the Scarborough rapist and it was from a certain neighborhood in it's Toronto right I keep thinking it might be Montreal it's Canada I'm pretty sure it's Toronto but let us know if I'm wrong yeah always on the Facebook page give me a thumbs up if I'm wrong but so the Scarborough rapist was was people were terrified it went on for years Scarborough New York no no no in this part of sorry this is the one that I didn't look at I'm pretty sure it's it's a neighborhood of Toronto okay got it but so my friend Paul Greenberg who you might know him from that one year that Neil Patrick Harris hosted the Emmys and he walked out behind him and just stood and stared why did he do that it was a bit oh okay um he's a writer and he's a comic he's really funny so anyway he told me this story and this is my favorite so the years before uh paul brunato and his wife started killing young girls for his pleasure um there was a scarborough rapist and uh so paul's mother was at the time i guess in her 70s probably and she lived in an apartment but building that had a swimming pool at the top and she's a really good artist and uh so she would go up and swim laps every day and you know she's retired and i think she lived by herself anyway one day she's up there swim in laps and a young man comes out onto the roof and she doesn't really think much of it you know she's swimming laps and then she notices that he's walking along the pool as she's swimming laps oh my god like lapping like lapping with her walking back and forth and so she looks up and sees it and there's no one else up there.

[280] That's threatening.

[281] So she just keeps swimming laps and he's like tracking her and staring at her.

[282] And she's like, you know, an elderly woman swimming.

[283] Jesus.

[284] And he's just like, she said it was the scariest thing ever.

[285] And then she didn't know what to do.

[286] At one point she was just treading water and like staring and didn't know what to do.

[287] And then the door burst open and like three families came out and, um, you know came to use the pool and all the kids jumped in the pool and he left okay so she got out of the pool put on a put on a towel that's really important um went out of her scared she was slipped on some flip flops and she went down to her apartment and drew a picture of his face because she knew she had to do it while she remembered it wow so then she put the picture she called the cops they said you know it's like a complaint or whatever yeah and then however many years it was later, let's say three or five, when they showed Paul Bernardo on the news for this husband and wife killing thing.

[288] The mom walks over and pulls the picture out of the drawer and it's him.

[289] It was Paul Bernardo that was during that.

[290] Oh my God.

[291] And then later on with DNA, they linked him and said, call and was like, listen, dudes.

[292] Well, at that point, I think they'd already figured out that he was also the Scarborough rapist.

[293] Holy shit.

[294] So he was just raping all over the place and like and doing stuff like that like was an animal essentially you know what sucks about being a woman is you never know like if something is nothing or not you know that's right like you might just see this guy pacing and you never see him again or you might go in your house and he's standing in your living room that's right like what is nothing or like a boyfriend is stalking you or dude is stocking you is it nothing or is this guy going to murder me you just don't know I mean not that stocking isn't awful too but like is he just like obsessed for the next couple weeks until I find someone else, or is he a murderer?

[295] Right.

[296] That's like the day that I was at the dog park alone at like seven in the morning and I looked up and there was a guy, I thought at first that he was chipping balls on one side of the dog park.

[297] And then I looked and he had a sword.

[298] And he was just swinging a sword around.

[299] And I was just like, well, this is either my last downer.

[300] Yeah.

[301] Or maybe my dog will attack him, but probably not.

[302] Yeah.

[303] It's not really her style.

[304] And I just waited and he eventually left.

[305] Was he like practicing in an open space or just being a fucking weirdo?

[306] He was by the bushes, so there was a weird element to it.

[307] Yeah, it wasn't cool.

[308] It's another thing aside from a woman being present that you're like, your guard is down, but like daytime.

[309] Yes, morning.

[310] Guard is down when it's light out.

[311] Yeah, you don't expect anything to happen.

[312] Which is why it's the perfect time.

[313] And dog park, the most innocent place on home.

[314] We're only good things happen.

[315] And it smells.

[316] Like, why would you want to go there if you didn't have to?

[317] Out of there.

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[337] Goodbye.

[338] Hey, this is exciting.

[339] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[340] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster detectives.

[341] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[342] Who killed Saz?

[343] And were they really after Charles?

[344] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[345] This season, murder hits close to home.

[346] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[347] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[348] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[349] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[350] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[351] Only murders in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on who.

[352] Lou.

[353] Goodbye.

[354] What's, what's yours?

[355] I feel like mine's kind, okay, I'm not going to belittle myself.

[356] All right.

[357] Because this is my favorite.

[358] I'm not going to belittle myself of all places, not on our murder podcast, Georgia.

[359] Because this isn't an interesting, oh, I meant to add a thing to your thing.

[360] The woman, what's her name?

[361] Carla Haramolka.

[362] Cut out of jail a while ago.

[363] Oh, yeah, that's right.

[364] She's out.

[365] That was a big part of it is she tried to say that he was controlling her mind, which some people say is very possible because she was a victim of his abuse as well but at the same time you're still responsible though for what you do you can't kill your younger sister and think that that's just going to go you know did they accidentally kill her or was it on purpose did they drug her and she had an overdose?

[366] I don't remember that could be part of the story I don't remember but she's out isn't that weird that she's just out yep that's so let's talk about some of the benefits of being a woman shorter murder sentences yeah more benefit of the doubt.

[367] Yeah.

[368] You take some shit.

[369] You get some shit.

[370] And your sister's dead.

[371] And you killed her.

[372] And then you kill your sister.

[373] No. You have to buy one last Christmas present every year.

[374] Yeah, right?

[375] Maybe that sister was a real pain in the ass.

[376] Do you think of parents just talk to her or no still?

[377] I'd say probably no. I know.

[378] If they killed the teen sister.

[379] Parents are so forgiving, though.

[380] I guess that they're like one line you can cross and it's like killing your...

[381] I mean, who knows?

[382] It really puts them in a bad position.

[383] Okay, my favorite murder.

[384] Okay, this is, it's like a, it's not as interesting, but it's my favorite because I feel like it changed the course of history so drastically that everything would be different today.

[385] Lincoln's assassinate.

[386] No, no, but not far from that.

[387] Okay.

[388] All right.

[389] I think our world would be, it's such a better place if this person hadn't been killed.

[390] Robert F. Kennedy.

[391] Oh.

[392] Because he was a good person and a darling.

[393] JFK was just a fucking flashy playboy.

[394] But RFK...

[395] Hot take, Georgia.

[396] Yeah.

[397] It makes me so sad that he was killed.

[398] And I don't think there was a conspiracy, even though they're trying to make a million conspiracies of it.

[399] There's the girl in the polka dot dress.

[400] Do you remember that thing where they say there's a girl in a polka dot dress who was mind controlling him?

[401] What's the mind control thing that they call it.

[402] MK