240 - Flapper Bob

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] And welcome to my favorite murder.

[2] The podcast that's the you like, the one you told your mom about, even though you didn't think she'd be open to it.

[3] And then surprise, she liked it first.

[4] She doesn't like the cursing so much.

[5] No, no moms do.

[6] But then, but then they listen to it a little while and they go, this reminds me in my younger days.

[7] And then they light up at a, they light up Salem.

[8] They will leave a Salem cigarette.

[9] And they start telling you about that, honey, go get me the gin.

[10] I'm going to tell you about my younger day.

[11] And then they start cursing.

[12] And it's so, have you ever heard the word fuck come from your mom's mouth?

[13] It's so creepy.

[14] Oh, nothing makes, would make my dad angrier than my mom would say the F word.

[15] He would get so mad at her.

[16] It was like, as if like all of the world was melting down.

[17] I'm like, hey, come on.

[18] Oh my God.

[19] That's my favorite words.

[20] And now it's my favorite word to say in front of your dad, too.

[21] Oh, my God.

[22] we're a new we're a brand new territory Georgia cracked open that just throwing out the Fs and S's all over the place and Jim was down we told the story already right did we or just to each other I can't remember I don't know I don't know it all like literally if it if it was life or death I wouldn't be able to tell you you neither but that is Karen Kilgariff oh that's Georgia Hart Stark that's right and welcome yes how are you doing this is our podcast this is our peak house we've been working on um just a little short time of four and a half to almost five years it is weird though we're getting rid of our office the exactly right offices are are going in storage because there's no one there to use them we're not paying for that shit if no one's in there's so sad all that beautiful article furniture that we picked out that's not a plug uh or is it or is it i'm glad that we inside the offices and there's There's a scant few who know this, that we had, all the shows had posters, framed posters that we were going to hang on the walls.

[23] We just kind of hadn't gotten around to it.

[24] And now we never will.

[25] For all our shows on exactly right?

[26] And we never did it.

[27] I feel like we're never going to have it.

[28] We wanted a party there.

[29] We can't have a going away.

[30] Goodbye to this office.

[31] Thank you for being our first office for our first business podcast.

[32] No, we just have to walk.

[33] Oh, and then I guess now we can say, because we didn't want to say before, but the people who who had the office above us were roller coaster designers.

[34] It was the coolest.

[35] It was the most interesting.

[36] And I have to say, I really loved that office.

[37] It was very fun to be there for the short amount of time we were.

[38] But that element made me believe something exciting was going to happen because of that.

[39] I was like, this is some sitcom shit.

[40] I'm absolutely going to meet like a German with red curly hair.

[41] You know what I mean?

[42] Like something's going to happen That's definitely like they They are the sitcom office We're like their weird neighbors We weren't the main stars of this office program No they were the sitcom office We were Yeah we were a strange YouTube channel And they had a baby corgi We didn't have a baby corgi What's up?

[43] What are you watching?

[44] What are you doing?

[45] What are you thinking about?

[46] Oh I was going to tell you Somebody recommended this podcast to me on the heels of this is actually happening and the first person storytelling you know, extreme somebody said on Twitter oh I was admitting that I was going back to Twitter tiny bit just to mostly I had to post that Nick Terry that he just made about the tampons.

[47] Oh my God he's just so good we love you so much Nick here thank you so much for playing participating in this is this MSM animated I put it up on our Instagram to check it out and I retweeted it Yeah It's so good So of course I went on there To just retweet that and support Nick But then somebody recommended A podcast that I started listening to And it's called Spooked And it's on It's with Snap Judgment Presents And WNYC Studios And the host is named Glenn Washington And it is first people telling their first person ghost stories or their first person like weird experience stories and it kicks off so I went down to season one first episode oh you're one of those it's called the watcher yeah I want because then it plays through yeah oh okay and the first story is so goddamn good and real and you it's this woman and you're like holy shit this happened and it I want to tell you the whole thing that's I shouldn't do that anymore it's go listen to spook the podcast hosted by Glenn Washington.

[48] It's a real joy to listen to.

[49] The music is amazing.

[50] Their sound editing, their like sound design is great.

[51] He's a really delightful host.

[52] There's a couple where most of them, it's just the people talking through.

[53] A couple have hosts that interview people and kind of pull the story out of them.

[54] And he is the host one time when this guy is telling his story.

[55] And the guy goes, and I turned around.

[56] And then he paused.

[57] And then Glenn goes.

[58] And what?

[59] What was it?

[60] What was it?

[61] What was it?

[62] Exactly how you would do it if it was your friend.

[63] There's something like that that made me laugh so hard.

[64] Anyway, it's just a delightful listen.

[65] And it's these stories where as you listen to people tell them, you're like, this isn't made up because they're giving all this detail.

[66] It's this very specific.

[67] And you want to go on a podcast and like lie about your experience.

[68] That would just be like asking for it.

[69] Well, yeah, because you could try to.

[70] But when you unfold a story like that, it should.

[71] It should.

[72] shows like you kind of can't get away with it so every it's they have like five seasons I think maybe yeah five seasons it's really good and it's a really well made because it's like getting into spooky Halloween yeah it's very good there's a couple times I had to turn it off because I was like it's getting too late at night because it's that like creepy yeah are we going to be able to trick or treat this year did it got banned but then they like then they were like Gavin Newsom was like Well, can't ban it.

[73] I want to sit in my driveway and throw candy at kids.

[74] Maybe that's the new Halloween.

[75] I mean, here's the thing.

[76] You can still eat mini -snickers.

[77] You can also eat full -size sneakers.

[78] Oh, I've already done that all day long.

[79] So what more do you need?

[80] I want to give it to cute kids dressed up in cute costumes.

[81] You can.

[82] I mean, yeah, I guess it's outside.

[83] So I don't know.

[84] I keep driving by restaurants that are just packed on the sidewalk with no masks.

[85] No, no, no, no, no. No, no. It doesn't make sense to me. Friends and family, please.

[86] Anyway, this is the world we live in.

[87] Nice.

[88] Well, I've been trying to, I started, I may destroy you.

[89] Oh, great.

[90] So intense.

[91] So good.

[92] Michaela Cole.

[93] Coel.

[94] Michael Cole, sorry.

[95] You were right.

[96] So yeah, Michaela Cole.

[97] She's incredible.

[98] I'm only like the first or second episode, but it's obviously incredible.

[99] And I'm selling it.

[100] It's, it goes so far and wide in places that I did.

[101] not expect.

[102] She's really amazing.

[103] And I just kept thinking this is, it's amazing that she is like the showrunner, creator, writer, and star.

[104] And she, her face is unbelievably gorgeous.

[105] Just gorgeous.

[106] It's on HBO if you haven't checked it out yet.

[107] But I am trying now to, I'm finally after having so many fucking people who are good at things tell me that I need to meditate.

[108] I'm finally trying to do it and journaling, which I have not done in my adult life.

[109] Well, that hasn't been public.

[110] Right.

[111] You know what the thing about journaling that I always get and that I feel like you're like me in this way.

[112] I start writing and then I start watching myself write and criticizing what I'm doing.

[113] So it's kind of like, I really think that this and that and it's all cursive and sideways and stuff.

[114] And then I start reading what I'm writing.

[115] And I'm like, what if someone finds it?

[116] that's my problem is I just have no and I only live with Vince so that just means I don't trust events like it's just I have a no someone's going to read this I'm going to die and someone's yeah yeah I wish we had found her journal earlier because clearly I don't know like something you know I know for a fact with I need you to tell me today and look in my eyes and we can put this on paperwork okay that you will come to my house and burn any journal that you can find you can go through any drawer.

[117] But you have to get rid of it.

[118] Because there's shit I don't want to go down for of like old crushes that I'm like writing about that I don't want to go on record for.

[119] There's no book.

[120] I won't put a book out of Karen's undread journals.

[121] Of Karen writing Panda Express.

[122] Golden Chicken chicken.

[123] Releasing what you ate that day.

[124] Oh, I just straight up right, I fucking hate everything.

[125] I hate myself.

[126] Why do I fucking hate myself?

[127] so much.

[128] Well, it's so annoying.

[129] My mom did this to me. Like, it's just so, it's just like, greatest hit.

[130] Same thing every time.

[131] Yeah.

[132] So double these to you, you and me will burn each other's books.

[133] Burn.

[134] Listen, I'm going to read yours and you're going to read mine.

[135] Fine.

[136] Yes.

[137] Then they're going to be burned.

[138] And I'm, and I mean also legal pads.

[139] Okay.

[140] Anything with, with more than five pieces of paper.

[141] Yes, please with the jokes.

[142] Okay.

[143] Things I think might be jokes.

[144] I was wrong.

[145] Please burn them.

[146] Like, there's shit.

[147] I I've written stuff down where, like, the other day, I'm not kidding, I flip through, because I keep buying packets of notebooks.

[148] Yes.

[149] So then I will open it and write something.

[150] And I have a picture of this.

[151] It says, when you have a crush on somebody, you love their car.

[152] It just, that's all they wrote on one page of paper.

[153] Okay.

[154] This, do you feel how uncomfortable you feel right now?

[155] Imagine if I was dead and that's, you had to read that.

[156] What was it all for?

[157] What was she doing?

[158] What?

[159] Why was she?

[160] She, why did she never get past 13 years of age?

[161] It's pathetic.

[162] None of us did.

[163] We're all still there.

[164] It's true, right?

[165] When you like, when you know what kind of car your crush drives, when then when that car, which is mass produced and there's hundreds of them goes by you, it's the most exciting thing.

[166] Have you ever had?

[167] Is it him?

[168] Is that him in the?

[169] Yes.

[170] Prius?

[171] The black, right.

[172] Prius?

[173] Is that him?

[174] Oh my God.

[175] No, that's every other fucking car on the road.

[176] You live.

[177] live in Los Angeles, every car is a pre -is.

[178] When you first have a crush on someone, it's so fun to be like, what are they thinking about right now?

[179] What are they?

[180] What are they thinking about me right now?

[181] I wonder.

[182] So that's not that stupid.

[183] And my mom did cause myself hatred, so I'm not fucking wrong either.

[184] No, it's not about right or wrong.

[185] It's about stupid or not stupid.

[186] And I think I just want to be cooler than I actually am.

[187] Please let me post -mortem be like that.

[188] And you know what else?

[189] Stephen, when one of us, the moment you hear, that maybe one of us is in a coma or dead fucking delete every podcast that we've ever recorded all of us take them down.

[190] I don't want the other than making any money again off.

[191] It all go.

[192] Everybody this wag the gravy train stops here.

[193] That's right.

[194] Sorry Nora, your niece that all your money is probably going to go to when you die.

[195] You don't get a fucking single cent more.

[196] Cut to Nora mid, mid -Tick -Tac dance record scratch.

[197] What the fuck?

[198] That's right.

[199] No more money?

[200] That's right.

[201] There was a self -destruct timer on all this.

[202] Oh, shit.

[203] Blow all of these.

[204] That's perfect.

[205] Stephen, can you make a self -destruct timer for our laptops?

[206] Yeah.

[207] We die.

[208] Our heart stops speeding.

[209] These fucking things blow up.

[210] It's over.

[211] And I want it to be one of those ones where you have to, you and I both have our fingers on at the whole time.

[212] And the minute someone's finger comes off of it, it blows up.

[213] So wait, are we killing each other at this point?

[214] I don't know.

[215] What are we talking about now?

[216] I don't know.

[217] We're killing Steve.

[218] Oh, no. Because I just remembered I definitely have opened word documents on this computer and started poems.

[219] I'm not kidding.

[220] And I have documents on here because, you know, every laptop it switches you like it goes in the cloud and then you have more.

[221] I have like shit from old jobs.

[222] I have like old stuff in here that I'm like, why isn't this gone?

[223] Why haven't I deleted it?

[224] So you really, Stephen, this thing goes into the sea.

[225] It's like I don't give a shit What you do with my ashes Throw this laptop Into the ocean Asap go to point Magoo friends Go way out onto the jetty Uh huh I put in a t -shirt cannon Yeah Please Yes Done Steven and we'll get Stephen let's get We'll get crab legs at Neptune's Net after It'll be great Wait a second, no You're not having fun after I will haunt you at Neptune's Net net I will fucking stand right next to your table.

[226] You're going to get all cold on your neck.

[227] I will not let you rest.

[228] And I'll be reading from the other side, reading my poems.

[229] My poems, I said.

[230] Poems.

[231] Everyone knows you can't write a poem in a fucking computer.

[232] You have to write it on an old -timey type, haunted typewriter.

[233] I have no business writing poems.

[234] I used to, in my stand -up comedy act, used to read my poems from college on stage.

[235] And they are fucking hilarious.

[236] They really are, I meant it.

[237] And it was all kind of broken, like I was trying to be like E. Cummings, but it was always about just some guy that I like that didn't like me back.

[238] And it's, it's like, it's really clunky and really like, it's like, if this is really how you're going to express yourself, you don't deserve love.

[239] Well, see, here's why someone comes in.

[240] Someone's like an auditor if you're like, well, your life, here's why no one's ever going to love you.

[241] These poems suck shit.

[242] You don't know how to put.

[243] You don't understand love at all.

[244] Look what you want about it.

[245] Why do you keep using shoes as a symbolism?

[246] That's so weird.

[247] Love has nothing to do with shoes.

[248] You don't get to have love until you know what it means.

[249] And it doesn't mean that he ordered the same thing as you at Burger King.

[250] It doesn't, it's not about doing shots together.

[251] Karen, what happened to you?

[252] I don't know.

[253] Nothing happened to me. That's why these are support.

[254] I was raised by stand -up comedy.

[255] That's why.

[256] all our hearts were broken and a man who hates the F word raised by a stand of comedy and a guy who hates the F word it's a lot of conflict anyway did you have a thing you were trying to talk about absolutely that I interrupted you with that story oh no it's journaling you covered it great good good okay I'm meditating a little oh nice yeah how many minutes have you gotten well I my friend had a had a pat like a month pass for the waking up app with Sam Harris who's like great a doctor type so he's smart you know which I respect sure you always have loved doctors oh he's a doctor so I've gotten five days into an introductory course that's like 30 days or whatever nice I and I I get it it's making sense it's good it's good you know what it is I used it the other day when I was in a nerve wracking situation all it is is the thing of all the shit my brain starts saying yeah it's like you shouldn't be here you look you look terrible right that you just go no neutral yep neutral so it's not even like i acknowledge you get out of here yes thanks for your help i know you're trying to help me please go away and neutral that reminds me for the first time of my fucking life i'm gonna have therapy more than once a week oh she's like hey since we're dealing with this old shit that's like starting to come up how about twice a week yeah like whoa Okay.

[257] It helps.

[258] I swear to God, it helps.

[259] She can't get into any.

[260] It's 50 minutes an appointment.

[261] You can't get into anything, right?

[262] Yeah, 50, which if it's me that you can clip off like at least eight at the top of every, I cannot be on time even on Zoom.

[263] Oh, okay.

[264] My therapist and I, she's done talking about it with me. I broke her when it came to the lateness thing.

[265] I'm a monster.

[266] Oh, my God.

[267] I'm a monster.

[268] Now, if you'd refer to this poem about how I'm a monster.

[269] every therapy session is mean because I ran here from the parking lot I didn't have money to pay for the parking attendance o 'clock o 'clock exclamation point lowercase letters why death stout insist upon my tardiness and the world above it been to my will father time and mother earth that can we talk about the Instagram song I sent you yes last night by fucking Steve Zahn Oh my God damn it He wrote he put this song up That's the funniest thing I've ever fucking heard in my life Steve Zon ZH and on Instagram And I wrote great after This was touching I feel touched And he wrote goal achieved He commented back to me I know Steve Zon achieved his Wait and who is the person he's singing to I don't know He's singing he's making up a belated birthday song Play it play it play it and let's get into a legal relationship with Steve's on Oh, I missed your birthday One day late Never stop because I'm great Thank you and asking you I can re -go for that question Well, let's put it up on our Instagram I can repost it.

[270] It's just Yeah, that's a good idea.

[271] Also, while he's singing this song, wearing readers in, I think, his garage It was like a barn for sure.

[272] Yeah, he's reading a book about survivalist shit.

[273] and he's eating what looks like chocolate cake.

[274] There's something in his mouth, or he's, it's chewing tobacco maybe, but he's, there's something.

[275] And there's also a lone mock circling his fucking messy hair.

[276] He looks, okay, he looks like a survivalist.

[277] Yes, he is a fascinating individual, and I'd love to know about his nine to five for sure.

[278] I think he's like, how do he get out there?

[279] I think he's family man. Is he?

[280] He's got like, okay, we don't have to talk.

[281] This isn't the, this isn't that my favorite.

[282] Steve's on podcast.

[283] Unfortunately.

[284] If we just focus.

[285] Can we just all please support Steve's on more?

[286] Let's support Steve's on more.

[287] Speaking of supporting things, we are excited to announce our next fundraiser for our MFM logo pin that we sell on our site.

[288] My Favorite Murder .com.

[289] There's a store.

[290] In that store is a little black and white enamel pin of our logo.

[291] That's so fucking cool to put on your jacket or wherever.

[292] And we always pick.

[293] a fundraiser to give the money to 100 % of the proceeds.

[294] So now we just did beam and now we're going to go to the LGBTQ Freedom Fund.

[295] Yay.

[296] So they provide bail nationally for LGBTQ plus people who can't afford it themselves.

[297] They educate the masses about the over incarceration of the LGBTQ community, which I didn't realize until I went to their site, that LGBTQ people are three times more.

[298] likely to be jailed, and they're at risk of abuse because of that.

[299] So they also can't get out because they can't afford the bail.

[300] So for those people, this fund is available.

[301] So we're really excited.

[302] It's a great charity.

[303] It's very, it's very cool.

[304] It's exciting to start learning about stuff like this and try to divert attention and support their way because it's so important.

[305] That's right.

[306] We also less important, but still compelling.

[307] We now have the this might be Luminal travel mug available also in the store.

[308] My Favorite Murder .com, what, forward slash t -shirts and things?

[309] Is that the website?

[310] I think that's a dead link.

[311] That's a dead link.

[312] Yeah, I don't think that'll work.

[313] No, it's in the store.

[314] It's an old bestseller.

[315] They've been restocked.

[316] They glow in the dark.

[317] It's a Tumblr that says this might be luminal and then it glows in the dark.

[318] Trick all your friends and coworkers that you're social distancing around that you might be drinking luminal.

[319] Yeah.

[320] It'll fascinate the Zoom call next time.

[321] Get in there.

[322] And buy all of your products on the My Favorite Murder Store.

[323] We see you proudly posting shirts from all the fuck over the place.

[324] Yeah.

[325] And what we'd like to direct you toward is the actual official website where you should get your real shit.

[326] Okay.

[327] Let's do exactly right.

[328] Network highlights.

[329] Yeah.

[330] Oh, I'll say the fall line, the podcast, The Fall Line is this week has just dropped their first episode of their Sam Little series, which focuses on the victim stories of fucking terrible serial killer Sam Little.

[331] So make sure to tune into that.

[332] Yes.

[333] And, oh, I'm very excited because on Stephen's podcast, the Purrcast, he and Sarah are talking to our friend, a friend of the fam of this, I was going to say website of this podcast, Ante Donahue, Canada's sweetheart, Auntie Donahue, her book is called Nobody Cares.

[334] Get that if you haven't already.

[335] And she's on Stephen's podcast talking about her cat, Barry Gibbs.

[336] Stephen, did you love and Donahue as much as we do?

[337] Anne is the best.

[338] And I actually got to meet her before our show in Toronto.

[339] That's right.

[340] We tried to go to spaghetti factory, but it was just too crowded.

[341] Love it.

[342] So check out all the exactly right network podcasts.

[343] There's a website.

[344] It has all of this information and more.

[345] And there's exactly right merch.

[346] there's merch for this podcast that we love to talk about but there's also a bevy of merch from all the other shows so if you're looking if you're like I love bananas there's a great shirt that you can get that just says hot banana up in the corner pocket right if you like do you need a ride we're making puzzles I mean like stuff's going on over there support your local podcasts okay all right so we're going to do yeah is that everything wait I think that's it okay cool I feel like you know good that's if there's look okay let's give each other you have one minute say one last thing just for a minute that's a long time oh I cut off all my own hair it's too short oops oh one side it was perfect I cut the other side it was too short so I had I cut the other side too short too wait will you take off your headphones so I can see the full cut look I can't hear you so don't say anything okay shaking my hair I won't oh that's cute it looks great it's got a straight up Louise Brooks oh oh hold on What?

[347] George's got, I was saying this, George's got a straight up Louise Brooks Bob now.

[348] It is a very flapper, short flapper, Bob.

[349] It's great.

[350] It looks really good on you.

[351] What do you have?

[352] I thought your hair was in a ponytail.

[353] That's your announcement.

[354] Yeah.

[355] I guess just that my hair, I've gone lighter and shorter as well.

[356] You have brown hair now.

[357] It's such a trip.

[358] I took all the blackout of my hair.

[359] And then you know that you've had a bad hairstyle for a while when you do something like that.

[360] And then people freak out.

[361] And they're like, it looks so good.

[362] And you're like, shit it really looked bad before that's all i can think of it looks great i love that we had hair corner that was perfect guys you have to know what our hair what's going on with our hair in covid yeah how's your hair in covid what's your hair in quarantine hair like are you letting it get real big and natural and just being it's like let it be itself for once what color does it want to be let it tell you for once yeah you've always told it right dark brown onto my hair and it was like I need to go with an auburnish, kind of almost red.

[363] It was like, Karen, let me live my life.

[364] Sounds good.

[365] I'll stop wearing black t -shirts and I'll start wearing Army green t -shirts.

[366] Love it.

[367] Looks good.

[368] Boom.

[369] Karen, you know I'm all about vintage shopping.

[370] Absolutely.

[371] And when you say vintage, you mean when you physically drive to a store and actually purchase something with cash?

[372] Exactly.

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[385] Can you imagine?

[386] I can't even imagine.

[387] I can literally still see the house at that show both nights, right?

[388] Because we were in Brooklyn at least two nights, right?

[389] And then we went to Boston for three nights or to Medford.

[390] That King's Theater, it's huge and it's gorgeous.

[391] And the audience, it's like set up to make you feel like share.

[392] It's unbelievable.

[393] And I bet you can hear them still too because they were serving canned wine at the show.

[394] they absolutely sold out of so congratulations yeah the audience was fucked up and it was the best right and I was like save me a can of wine and they like ran out of like not when I was so much they were like fucking impossible lady too bad too bad for you um so my story that I did that night is one of my favorites to do when we're on the road which is to find a local amusement park or something and do you know there's their deaths so I was able to do Coney Island deaths for this episode.

[395] Enjoy, everyone.

[396] All right.

[397] So, you know, I'm taking a chance on this because this is a topic that much like true crime I've always been fascinated by and not told a lot of people about because it's weird.

[398] But when I had a desk job, I would just look over this, look this up like I would true crime stories.

[399] I did this at one other live show and it went over well and I thought that this is a perfect place to do a story like this too because you guys have a similar thing going on.

[400] These are deaths at Coney Island.

[401] Oh, shit.

[402] Okay, good.

[403] Because I did, in Anaheim, I did Disneyland.

[404] Dumb.

[405] And that went over.

[406] Gangbusters.

[407] That's good, right?

[408] Yeah, gangbusters.

[409] All right.

[410] this is, I'm, okay, here we go.

[411] It's deaths and, like, maimings and shit.

[412] And the fun stuff.

[413] The fun stuff.

[414] The good stuff.

[415] You know, with a little bit of history thrown in for fun.

[416] And there's some good photos, too.

[417] So, hey, Karen.

[418] According to the U .S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, an average of 4 .5 Americans died every year on amusement park rides from 1987 to 2000.

[419] 4 .5.

[420] Uh -huh.

[421] Between 94 and 2004, 22 Americans lost their lives on roller coasters as a result of mechanical failure or operator errors.

[422] So this means you're more likely to die in a roller coaster, Karen, than you are to be eaten alive by a shark.

[423] Say that again?

[424] You're more likely to die in a roller coaster than you are to be killed by a shark.

[425] And those are my only two choices?

[426] Stay out of the water.

[427] Stay out of fucking roller coasters.

[428] All right.

[429] Coney Island, you all know it.

[430] During the 1870s and 1880s a bunch of luxury hotels were built there and a railroad was one in for rich people to go hang out there and shit.

[431] Coney Island has been described as both heaven at the end of a subway ride and the poor man's paradise.

[432] Those are your only two choices.

[433] I have a couple friends who have told me stories about passing out on the subway and ending up at Coney Island.

[434] Really?

[435] Yeah, at the end of a fun night.

[436] Cool.

[437] I think it's, yeah, long -held tradition.

[438] And you just get a job at the roller coaster.

[439] You're set.

[440] There are worse places to end up at the end of a night of drinking, right?

[441] Then Coney Island.

[442] Back and outside McNair's.

[443] Yes.

[444] Okay.

[445] Coney Island became famous for having several of the best known amusement parks in the world.

[446] So I didn't know this, and you might not either.

[447] It was a couple different amusement parks kind of competing against each other, and then the boardwalk with a bunch of other fucking things to get on and get hurt on.

[448] But it had the world's first roller coaster, the switchback railway.

[449] So let's start with a steeplechase park In 19 The equestrians in the back Is that a thing?

[450] What's a steeplechase?

[451] Well, I'm about to find out, right?

[452] No, you're not.

[453] I'm just fucking set the name.

[454] Well, from what I understand, the steeplechase is like an insane horse race.

[455] Oh, okay, because I have a photo of it.

[456] Okay.

[457] Didn't know that, didn't look it up, didn't bother to care.

[458] which is basically the motto of this podcast.

[459] That's right.

[460] It was like, Mr. Edward Steeplechase, you know, but I don't know horses.

[461] In 1897, Steeplechase Park opened as the first of the three original iconic parks built on Coney Island.

[462] And so right off the fucking bat, several people are seriously hurt when they stood up on the whip, which was one of the rides.

[463] it's the one where okay I have a photo of it so the whip they stand up on the ride guys fucking rule number one don't stand up when you're not fucking supposed to okay this is the whip it's that kind that it goes around in a circle and then you vomit this is good doesn't look fun does it that fucking shit in the middle is wood that's wood it's all wood oh no it's made it of the same thing that, like, dentures were made out of back then.

[464] Absolutely not.

[465] Underneath that circle, there's just two old mules that are so mad.

[466] We're so tired.

[467] Or two eight -year -old children just fucking...

[468] Mom said I had to get a job this summer.

[469] That's right.

[470] Okay, others are injured during the fall.

[471] Falls and the parks, rotating barrels, which is just when...

[472] I just don't know why they trust people not to be stupid.

[473] It's the one where, like, it's just a huge...

[474] and it rotates and you run through it and fucking slam your stupid face into the you know what I mean?

[475] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[476] Classic.

[477] They're entered there and then a few patrons fall off the steeplechase horses because they fucking stand up on them and that's those.

[478] What the fuck is this?

[479] And then look at the woman.

[480] That's the steeple...

[481] Look at there's a woman right there.

[482] That's them building the Brooklyn Bridge.

[483] What are you talking about?

[484] That doesn't even make sense.

[485] People would pay sitting in front of a dude.

[486] They went on together with all her dresses and shit.

[487] What?

[488] What year is this?

[489] Okay, well, it was built in 1897, so I don't know.

[490] Around there.

[491] Okay.

[492] This looks like manual labor.

[493] How is this a fucking...

[494] On August 6, 1935, 10 -year -old...

[495] So, they're saddles.

[496] So it's like you're pretending to ride a metal horse directly up?

[497] Up the thing.

[498] Uh -huh.

[499] And the tracks are.

[500] right there, get everything caught in them.

[501] Okay.

[502] I mean, okay.

[503] In 1935, a 10 -year -old named John Bark fell off his horse and plunged 10 feet to the wooden platform below, suffering brain injuries and died.

[504] Oh, this is a bummer podcast.

[505] I'm about to tell you.

[506] It's not all fun.

[507] and then nine years later in 1944 a girl fell out of a car on the on the fast -moving silver streak and she was hospitalized.

[508] She's okay.

[509] Oh, good.

[510] Well, it was 1944, so she's probably dead, but I don't know how.

[511] You can't be responsible for saying how every single person that went to Coney Island died.

[512] I just can't.

[513] That's too much.

[514] Okay, so then this other park opened called Luna Park in 1903.

[515] And the Thunderbolt is built in 1925.

[516] They've been on it.

[517] It's literally a thunderbolt with a saddle on it.

[518] They harness the power, and then you stand up while you're on it.

[519] It was one of the first wooden roller coasters.

[520] One of the tracks, scales the top of a building.

[521] And it featured in Annie Hall.

[522] You've seen it as the boyhood home of Alvey Singer.

[523] Oh, yes.

[524] Here's a picture of it.

[525] That's right.

[526] Oh, wait, that's not it.

[527] Oh, wait.

[528] that's actually Luna Park when it burnt the fuck down.

[529] Oh, that's a dangerous ride.

[530] That's right.

[531] Yeah, I'll tell you all about that in a minute.

[532] Okay.

[533] What about the other one?

[534] So, okay, there's no picture.

[535] I took the word picture.

[536] Wait, I left the word picture in.

[537] Or Stephen sucked up.

[538] He's at home giggling and twisting his mustache.

[539] And Mimi's like, me too.

[540] So the Thunderbolt had two serious.

[541] accidents, it was this roller coaster.

[542] In 1925, a woman was killed when she was fucking listen to this.

[543] She was thrown forward and hit her head on the metal handlebar in front of her.

[544] 25, you say?

[545] 1925.

[546] Okay.

[547] Bummer.

[548] Yes.

[549] And then in 1926, a three -car train stalled partway up the hill.

[550] It rolled back down and was struck by the fucking train coming back up at it.

[551] That's right, it was.

[552] Twelve people were injured and one was seriously hurt.

[553] Then the Miles Sky Chaser slash octopus, which is just an octopus with like all these, you know, and it spins around.

[554] Right, right.

[555] In 1937, a 37 -year -old Jersey resident fell after a sudden lurched from the Miles Sky Chaser, as the car he was in reached one of the high points this is a different thing a roller coaster he died immediately sudden lurch two hours later two girls were on another ride the octopus when the apparatus went out of order and the car fell about eight feet they were treated for their injuries at Coney Island Hospital they have their own hospital I bet they did very well for themselves at Coney Island Hospital yeah there was some sign a waiver when you go in, be like, it's not your fault.

[556] They were like, somebody really smart.

[557] I showed up at Coney Island the first day.

[558] It was like, you know what I'm going to build right over there?

[559] They're going to need it.

[560] A hospital.

[561] But the gals survived.

[562] So the destruction of the first Luna Park.

[563] So Luna Park was heavily damaged by a pair of fires in 1994 leading to its closure.

[564] That's the picture of it.

[565] Got it.

[566] and let's see it was back when every single goddamn thing was made of wood there's no rubble in there at all so that got bulldozed and then it's rezoned for residential development during the 1950s so then in 1904 one of the other places Dreamland opened it doesn't exist it takes its inspiration from the white city of the Chicago World's Fair We know that one.

[567] Wonderful plays.

[568] And there's all these rides, like Shoot the Shoots, which is the one where you go down in the slide, I think.

[569] There's bathhouses, there's a ballroom.

[570] Sexy.

[571] There's a much -loved animal show featuring a pipe -smoking elephant.

[572] Yes.

[573] Just a really stuck -up elephant that is always talking to about British literature shit.

[574] Shut up.

[575] It's trained by a guy named Captain Jack Bonavita.

[576] He loses an arm during an ill -fated performance with his rare black lions.

[577] Because the black lions were like, fuck this guy.

[578] Yeah.

[579] And everyone in the audience is like, this is good.

[580] This is better than that fire.

[581] Well, guess what?

[582] Dreamland is destroyed in September of 1911 by an electrical fire during repairs.

[583] it originated from a ride called Hellgate which it took tourists on a boat through the dark caverns and past raging world pools it was like this is what hell is like it's 2019 -11 so it's charming this might be a picture of something else let's see nope yep see that's Thunderbolt remember us talking about that yes I do I remember the revolt and then that's Hellgate shit And right outside, you can just have a nice lunch on a table.

[584] A luncheon.

[585] But then it's straight to hell, everybody.

[586] Is that the devil up there?

[587] Yeah.

[588] Son of a bitch.

[589] Isn't it cute?

[590] Okay.

[591] As the park went up in flames, live animals tried to escape.

[592] Did they escape?

[593] No. They didn't.

[594] They didn't care about animals back then.

[595] They gave them pipes to smoke.

[596] Okay.

[597] Then there's Bowery Street.

[598] A bunch of private owners lease space on Bowery streets to just throw up any old fucking ride that they felt like throwing up there.

[599] So the Tornado is a roller coaster with a wooden track.

[600] Tornado?

[601] If I tell you, it's spelled wrong.

[602] Will you believe me?

[603] Listen, these people are cresting on wine in a can right now.

[604] They're like three -can peak, because that was an insane reaction to...

[605] a mispronunciation.

[606] That was so much.

[607] An insane mispronunciation.

[608] So was that.

[609] It was the tornado.

[610] Tornado.

[611] You're from Spain, right?

[612] She's Spanish.

[613] Someone gave me a fucking can of wine.

[614] so in May of 1937, a 17 -year -old boy is on the tornado.

[615] Thank you Loses his balance Falls onto the track Crush to death Yeah Okay Then this There is this deadly roller coaster called Drop the Dip But they change the name I know it's great right They changed the name to the rough riders Because everyone loves Not better No From drop that dick to the Rough Riders?

[616] 20s were crazy, you guys.

[617] So, in June of 1910, three people die after falling out of their seats on the Ruff Riders.

[618] When will they invent seatbelts for fuck's sake?

[619] It's a third rail electric roller coaster.

[620] Very safe.

[621] Okay, here's how this fucking roller coaster works.

[622] The rides operate.

[623] So they go up the ascent, then the rides operator is supposed to turn all the power off of the fucking ride.

[624] So then it goes down.

[625] That's how it's supposed to work.

[626] But either it broke or the operator was like probably drunk as shit.

[627] And it didn't happen.

[628] And so the car would go too fast and overturned.

[629] So three people died when that happened.

[630] Then in 1915, one of the coasters cars just fucking flew off, flipped.

[631] and then sent three people plummeting to their death.

[632] And then afterwards, they were like, let's shut this ride down from here on out.

[633] No, let's give it four more chances.

[634] Let's name it three more horrible things, and then see what happens.

[635] I'm not convinced.

[636] And then comes Astroland, and the ride Hellhole.

[637] Not Hell's Gate?

[638] Not Hell's Gate.

[639] Okay.

[640] A totally different hell.

[641] A different hell.

[642] Yeah.

[643] in 1995, a 24 -year -old woman's legs were mangled and 13 other people were injured on the hellhole ride.

[644] It's basically, oh, okay, it's one of those ones that are, remember the cylinder that you run through?

[645] Turn that on its head, and it spins around and you get pinned to the wall.

[646] Oh, yes, that's a classic.

[647] Fuck no. So you do that, and then the bottom drops out.

[648] Yes, and you stick to the wall.

[649] And you stick to the wall.

[650] So the accident happened when one of the, a steel band that encircled the ride snapped ripping open the barrel.

[651] What?

[652] I thought it was going to be a different, like they just lost the gravity issue and everyone just The thing just snapped and the woman's legs were mangled, 13 people were injured it's, yes, and then, oh, what happened was that the thing snapped and then the ride operator hit the emergency stop.

[653] So then everything fell apart.

[654] lose lose Right Then the next ride We're going to talk about Is this super Himalayia Do I say that right?

[655] Himalaya Is that the one that goes around On its own little It goes like this But it's like on it Up and down track Yes How'd you know that?

[656] Because I'm like I used to live At the Fair every summer That's in 4 -8 You have to go show your sheep And you live at the fair Thank you so much I'm from a farm Okay so in 1989 in the Super Himalaya injured seven riders when a metal bar...

[657] Okay, so basically the fucking roof collapsed.

[658] A metal bar holding the canopy over the ride came loose and hit the ride as it spun around.

[659] And it was closed briefly, but nobody died.

[660] Oh, that's good.

[661] In that one.

[662] Because that would turn into like a grinder situation.

[663] Yeah.

[664] Yeah.

[665] Let's see.

[666] I think...

[667] Oh, let's see a picture.

[668] Okay, here's the tornado.

[669] Tornado.

[670] Torado.

[671] Here's a cyclone.

[672] We'll get there.

[673] Let him look.

[674] Oh, we haven't gotten there yet.

[675] Yeah, yeah.

[676] Got it, got it.

[677] Okay, and then this one's sad.

[678] In 1999, a 17 -year -old named Nadine Caban was killed and eight others were injured.

[679] When the Super Himalaya, like the coupling between the two cars broke and the car flipped to one side, throwing poor sweet baby angel Nadine out.

[680] They freed her.

[681] she died an hour later from internal injuries and severe head injuries.

[682] It's so fucking sad.

[683] And then on the boardwalk, in 1946, a woman was killed.

[684] Another writer was seriously injured riding a carousel.

[685] What?

[686] All it said is the rides started up abruptly as they tried to get off in 1946.

[687] So they probably had like heels on and like something must have, they couldn't.

[688] and they got something happened they died of like pinched fingers it's just horses going like some of them don't move at all do you ever get a bad horse and you're just like great but maybe they were like stepping off of it and I don't know and then and you do a fun kick okay so then the cyclone is built in 1927 you guys want the cyclone everybody loves the Cyclone.

[689] And it's been linked to several rider deaths.

[690] There you go.

[691] On May 26, 1985, a 19, nope, a 29 -year -old man was killed while riding the cyclone because he stood up and struck his head on a crossbeam.

[692] And then in August of 1988, a 26 -year -old maintenance worker, okay, so those 26 -year -old maintenance workers on his fucking lunch break, he gets into the back seat of the cyclone.

[693] I don't know if he was like eating his sandwich or he just wanted to hang out or what but Witnesses reporting that upon its first dissent witnesses see him stand up the guy that work there?

[694] Yeah he falls 30 feet and lands on a cross meme of a lower section of the track and he is killed instantly I know and the ride was briefly closed but quickly deemed safe to reopen in 19 In 2007, a 53 -year -old tourist in New York to celebrate his birthday.

[695] So he went on the cyclone.

[696] They said he suffered several crushed vertebra in his neck well on it.

[697] But then he didn't die till four days later after complications from the surgery.

[698] But no one was ever alerted about it.

[699] And a report of the accident was never filed with the police or the city.

[700] So they were like, not our fault.

[701] He died later.

[702] It's not our fault.

[703] So just from writing this roller car, or his vertebrae were crushed, just from being on it.

[704] Uh -huh.

[705] No one here ever went on it again.

[706] Six other incidents of injury from the cyclone were reported in 2007, and they were all quickly settled by the park's owners.

[707] And in 2015, the ride's former operator was forced to pay a woman $600 ,000 for serious, severe, and permanent injuries to her head and neck, just from riding it.

[708] Whoa.

[709] The operator himself had to pay it?

[710] Yes, the person who owns it.

[711] Yeah, I think it's like the operator.

[712] I think I meant the fucking poor guy.

[713] I just have the shirt on.

[714] I don't control the way it kills people.

[715] And it's 120 -year history.

[716] There have been about 17 deaths and over 30 accidents and injuries in the various parks and attractions of Coney Island's boardwalk and amusement parks.

[717] And that is deaths at Coney Island.

[718] Whoa, wow.

[719] Island deaths, everyone.

[720] really good job Georgia really good job thank you what are you got for us Karen in this quilt episode we're going to be lacing in and sewing a whip stitching and tightly affixing my story from October 18th 2017 we're going back baby this so this was the first time we ever played Minneapolis I believe right because 2017 yeah that would have been our first visit I think to Minneapolis so so exciting and if it was October it was probably a bit chilly and anyway that night I did the story of serial killer and the murderer of Gianni Versacei Andrew Kannon and that was a great you did great as you guys will hear in a second well we'll see you be you judge hey audience I know this is weird for you but you judge and see if you like what is about to happen see you just see.

[721] Well, my murder spree doesn't start here, but the story starts somewhere else, the murder spree starts here.

[722] It is the murderous rampage of Andrew Koonanan.

[723] I thought I knew this story, but there's a lot, there's a lot going on.

[724] So Andrew Kahnem was born on August 31st, 1969.

[725] He was the youngest of four children, and he was born in National City, California, which is kind of a not very nice place, not very nice city.

[726] His father was retired from the Navy and was working to become a stockbroker.

[727] His mother was a housemaker, a homemaker, and she was very religious.

[728] She went to church every single day, and his friends describe her, that's a lot.

[729] Sunday's fine.

[730] That's what God asked for.

[731] You are overdoing it if you do it every day.

[732] That's on you now.

[733] I try to take a nap every other day.

[734] Which can be a religious experience.

[735] True.

[736] So it was a very stifling home life, and apparently someone said it was very quiet, which I was like four kids and it's a quiet household.

[737] That's not good.

[738] When he was nine, his family moved to a nicer city, Bonita.

[739] It was upper middle class, and that's when his father became.

[740] a stockbroker and started making a lot of money.

[741] And his father was all about material things.

[742] And this was a time in the early 80s where, for those of us who remember, everything started to become about material things.

[743] It was that weird.

[744] Greed is good.

[745] Eyesodged shirts, boat shoes.

[746] Everyone pretended like they yachted, which is the weirdest.

[747] Sailed and yodded?

[748] Yeah, we're all into sailing.

[749] No, you're not.

[750] And then as a teenager, they moved to Rancho Bernardo, which is outside of La Jolla, which is like super ritzie area down near San Diego.

[751] And he went to a very exclusive private school called the Bishop School.

[752] One of the friends who was in this interview, oh, sorry, I got most of this information from one of those sweet -ass biography channel specials that just gives you every bit of information you possibly could want.

[753] Well, anyway, I got most of it from that.

[754] And then another one from a Vanity Fair article called The Killers Trail, which I have the author's name further in.

[755] So basically, the dad's all about like, we're rich now.

[756] And they go to rich schools.

[757] And Andrew is really, really intelligent.

[758] They said that he had genius level IQ.

[759] By the time he graduated from high school, he spoke multiple languages.

[760] He was an avid reader.

[761] He had a photographic memory.

[762] So he was very high functioning, intelligent person.

[763] But as a friend was saying, one of the most status conscious people I ever met, he always wanted you to think he had more than he did.

[764] And he was also openly gay, which at this time in the mid to late 80s was not common.

[765] So he was voted when he graduated from high school, he was voted most likely to be remembered.

[766] Oh, that's a thing.

[767] Uh -huh.

[768] They're like stopped doing it after that.

[769] They sure the fuck did.

[770] Let's specifically say what he should be remembered.

[771] Let's get specific now.

[772] That's like of just being remembered.

[773] Most likely to be remembered is like what you vote for the people who aren't going to win anything else and who have that look in their eye.

[774] They're like, yeah, he'll do, he'll definitely do something.

[775] He's like a runner -up.

[776] It's like a runner -up award.

[777] You're a runner -up with like a knife hidden up his sleeve.

[778] But this I love, and I think this kind of sums him up, his senior quote, which they showed it in the yearbook.

[779] So in this yearbook that they had, like the senior's picture would be here.

[780] And then there was like an empty space that was the size of the picture where they put all of their, the clubs that they belong to and the sports that they played and all the different things just like listed and his all it had next to his picture was this quote from the court of louis the 15th oh my god appra ma le deluge which translates to after me the storm that's what i had too was that yours too my god you're so much like andrew kunan thanks um okay so he graduates in 1987 he enrolls in ucc San Diego, he's a history major.

[781] While he's there, the next year, he's there, there's a warrant out for his father's arrest.

[782] Turns out, his dad was embezzling a shit ton of money from his job over $100 ,000, and the dad bails and goes back to the Philippines where he's from and abandons the family.

[783] So then they have nothing, and he drops out of UC San Diego, And his mother eventually has to start using food stamps.

[784] They're so poor.

[785] So they go from, you know, boat shoes to just like nothing.

[786] And for someone like Andrew, that was his whole status, was his whole ego.

[787] It was an incredibly, you know, a defining moment in his life.

[788] He actually went back to the Philippines to visit his father.

[789] And they said, while he was there, he saw the apartment in the area that his father lived in.

[790] And he was so disgusted by how, like, poor it was that he left and came back early.

[791] And he was like, I'm like, that part of my life is over.

[792] Wow.

[793] And he was going to recreate himself.

[794] So he starts, he starts partying a lot in Hillcrest, which is the gay neighborhood in San Diego.

[795] And everybody loved him.

[796] They said he was the cruise director of the neighborhood.

[797] He always had drugs.

[798] he always I was like oh that sounds so fun oh you're just drugs drugs that's what the cruise directors have too if you take a carnival cruise hey you just go up and say hey are we going to get any iceberg just get past a bag I heard they had skiing on this boat can you imagine doing like Coke on a cruise you're just like just stuck running at a circle the same 40 yards over and over you just take the fucking Back to the casino.

[799] Just freak smoking, chain smoking in your cabin.

[800] Okay.

[801] But he had tons of friends, and he was very popular, but all of his friends knew that he was just a liar.

[802] So when he was, in this part of his life, he started telling people his name was Andrew De Silva, and that's how almost everyone knew him.

[803] And he would tell people that he would complain that his mother was not a good mother because she was so obsessed with high society that she shunned him.

[804] Like these weird lies of like, we were so rich, my parents wouldn't pay attention to me. And everyone's like, okay.

[805] That's not a thing that anyone's ever complained about.

[806] That's a weird made -up lie.

[807] And eventually he became a jigolo.

[808] But like, his friends describe it as he started studying all of the millionaires who were gay and didn't have families.

[809] and he would learn everything about them.

[810] And then when he would get, he got into those, like, kind of high society's gay circles, and he would go to these parties.

[811] And so if he knew one millionaire, like, grew orchids, he would go read all the books he could find on orchids.

[812] And then he would happen to run into that person at a party.

[813] And he ate orchids.

[814] I just brought my orchid friends with me to the party.

[815] But, yeah, that's what he basically, everything was the study, and he would manipulate people into falling in love with him as basically marrying them and being like, I am just like you.

[816] I am also an old, rich millionaire, closeted millionaire.

[817] Well, isn't how we all do to make someone fall in love with us?

[818] We're just like, I'm this way, I'm this certain way.

[819] And then you're like, no, I'm not.

[820] Vince, except for me, except for me, baby.

[821] Love you.

[822] Too late.

[823] Too late.

[824] Too late.

[825] To get that ring.

[826] My 350 -person wedding.

[827] already happen.

[828] They can't take it away from you.

[829] Okay.

[830] Oh, here, the writer for Vanity Fair's name was Maureen Orth.

[831] And she, in that article, wrote this, which I thought was an amazing paragraph.

[832] Quote, he was a voracious reader with a reported genius level IQ.

[833] He coveted the lifestyles of the rich and famous.

[834] He tracked possible sugar daddies with care and then would say with a pout that he didn't know whether to fly to New York or Paris for dinner.

[835] Me too.

[836] Right?

[837] That's the problem most of it.

[838] have.

[839] He could describe the texture and delicacy of the blowfish he claimed to have eaten at an $850 Japanese lunch or he would say of a work of art what year it had been painted, who had owned it through the centuries, what churches it had hung in.

[840] What a boring conversation.

[841] Stop talking about the mouth feel of blowfish, dude.

[842] Oh, you don't like that?

[843] Well, then let me start to lecture you on paintings.

[844] Oh my God.

[845] Tell me your hometown murder and shut the fuck up.

[846] And get away from me. I think that's this weird, sad thing about people who do that kind of big presentation of here's what I'm like.

[847] When you know that a person is presenting you a thing because they think it's what you want, it not only isn't enjoyable, but then it's also sad.

[848] Because then you have to stand there being like, oh, no, I'm supposed to like this.

[849] As opposed to like, if he walked up and was like, oh, my God, we had it all.

[850] And then my dad ran away to the Philippines and now I've nothing.

[851] You'd be like, oh, my God.

[852] Tell me everything.

[853] Sit down.

[854] We have to go over this word for word.

[855] It's so much better.

[856] When you're a mess, people like you more.

[857] It's so much better.

[858] See?

[859] Because we're all a mess.

[860] We're all a mess.

[861] We're all a mess.

[862] We just show it.

[863] We wear it in our ripped dresses.

[864] How many people are sitting in ripped dresses tonight who are crying with joy because they have?

[865] They're like, I rip mine too.

[866] We got one.

[867] You and me, girl.

[868] Yeah.

[869] Besties.

[870] She's ripping her dressing.

[871] Me too.

[872] Oh, the end of that quote is, his wit was biting, his memory photographic, Kunan's story is a singular study in promise crushed.

[873] So obviously this guy was genius and he could have kind of done anything he wanted, but he just decided he was going to have to, like, steal and manipulate to get what he wanted.

[874] Yeah, to get back to La Jolla.

[875] It's going to be a hustler.

[876] Also, I just, growing up, up in Sonoma County, which is like, Marin County is the county above San Francisco where all of the rich people live.

[877] And then you cross into the next county, which is Sonoma County, and all of a sudden it smells like cow shit.

[878] You're like, what happened?

[879] We also know there's one rich girl sitting up here because when she said Marin, she goes, woo, and then Karen goes, all the rich people.

[880] So everyone, she's rich.

[881] She's sorry.

[882] She might just like money.

[883] I just made her a target.

[884] She's like, you're right.

[885] She's going to be beaten mercilessly after this show.

[886] But it's just, it's, anyway, the pressure when you live near those people or among those people to kind of like be of those people, like in high school, our volleyball team once played a private school in Marin called Catherine Branson, which we had never heard of.

[887] And we lived 15 minutes away.

[888] That's how like exclusive and private the school was.

[889] Oh, yeah, and even heard of the school?

[890] I had never heard of the school.

[891] I'd live there all my life.

[892] And I was like, what school?

[893] It's not for you.

[894] Yeah.

[895] Honey.

[896] No. In the last.

[897] least.

[898] We drove in and it was like, it looked like a mansion where we're like people go to school at this house.

[899] Like a long driveway with these gorgeous like rolling hills.

[900] It was insane and we all are looking at each other and I'm like, you have hay in your hair.

[901] That's shit on your face.

[902] Get it.

[903] Tie your shoes.

[904] Like everyone just got so self -conscious of like, oh, we're from a farm.

[905] We don't belong here.

[906] He had one very close friend named Jeffrey Trail who he referred to as his brother and Jeffrey had graduated from the Naval Academy at Annapolis and he was training to be a highway patrol officer.

[907] Thank you for your service.

[908] Yeah.

[909] We have to assume.

[910] Well, some guy wooed and so I assume that.

[911] Right.

[912] Yeah.

[913] With you, totally with you.

[914] Let me explain.

[915] What just happened.

[916] I don't know.

[917] I don't know.

[918] Prudan it didn't.

[919] Steven, cut that out.

[920] Steven.

[921] Cut out my ramblings.

[922] Okay, so one weekend he goes up to San Francisco.

[923] Francisco for a fun, crazy weekend.

[924] He meets a guy named David Mattson, who is from Minneapolis.

[925] David Mattson was a successful architect by all reports.

[926] He was incredibly well -liked and very well -respected in town, and he had a really successful life.

[927] And he kind of had the life that Andrew wanted.

[928] And Andrew, all Andrew's friends in this special say that David was the love of his life.

[929] this is another interesting factoid that I that's in this Vanity Fair article because you know when this story happened well we'll come back to this part um this part it's just one of those things where like we you hear these stories over and over again and then when someone a really talented journalist does a deep dive and then they're like maybe this might have something to do with it you're like why didn't they talk about that so there's lots of those in here um okay but now by the fall of 1996 Andrew's relationships are beginning to dissolve because he's totally on drugs and kind of a very bad liar.

[930] So he's got a lot of issues.

[931] Also, his boyfriend, David Mattson, who, it was a long -distance relationship, from what I understand, he would ask him, like, how do you have all this money all the time?

[932] Or how do you, how are you doing all this stuff all the time?

[933] He just wouldn't answer.

[934] And he also wouldn't give him his address or his phone number.

[935] So there were problems in the relationship.

[936] You're not dating if you don't have their phone number.

[937] I mean, is it like, you're just like, wait at the diner for me, I'll arrive.

[938] It an undisclosed time.

[939] David was starting to get the feeling that Andrew had a very dark side that obviously he wasn't telling him about and couldn't share with him, and so he broke up with him.

[940] And this very sad note, Andrew kept a picture of David on his refrigerator until the end.

[941] So obviously that he meant a lot to him, but kind of couldn't do it.

[942] And he was going into this bad place.

[943] So then his old friend, Jeff Trail, the guy that he referred to as a brother, got a job and also moved to Minneapolis.

[944] And so when Andrew finds out that that's happening, he gives him David Mattson's information and says, you can call this guy, you'll be best friends.

[945] That's my, I'm embellishing.

[946] That's what I would say.

[947] Perhaps he didn't say that.

[948] you'll be best friend you guys are going to be total besties it's going to be hilarious that's verbatim yep that's from maurie north vanity fair andrew uh the one person he hadn't lost in the 1996 uh peel off of all friends and and good people in his life was his current sugar daddy a man named norman blatchford who put him up in a million dollar home and paid him $2 ,500 a month.

[949] Wow.

[950] Just to be friends.

[951] That's what we have with Stephen.

[952] Then if you feel bad at him when we yell at him.

[953] Except for the house.

[954] That's our deal with Stephen.

[955] Except for the house and the money.

[956] Right.

[957] So Andrew actually got Blatchford to sell his house in Scottsdale, moved into the La Jolla house that was once owned by a man named Lincoln Aston, who was a wealthy, the older friend of Cunandans, who in 1995 had been bludgeoned to death with a stone obelisk.

[958] So he gets his, Andrew gets his sugar daddy to move into the house of his dead ex -sugar daddy.

[959] Oh my God.

[960] A quote, mentally troubled loner whom Aston had picked up was convicted of the crime.

[961] I would just, I would file that away.

[962] Oh, that's not the end?

[963] It's not the end.

[964] But it turns out that Norm of Louchford was a member of a group called Gamma Moom.

[965] which was an extremely private fraternity of about 700, very rich, mostly Republican, often closeted gay men who twice a year sponsor posh fly -ins to cities around the world.

[966] I didn't understand a word of that.

[967] Why not?

[968] It's the most amazing statement of all time.

[969] Maureen Orth of Vanity Fair bus open this like, it's like a gay closeted fraternity.

[970] And I'm like, what?

[971] How did this not make it to the papers?

[972] They named themselves like a fraternity.

[973] What was it called?

[974] Gamma Moo.

[975] Oh.

[976] Huh.

[977] So they basically, they're so rich that they just meet at different cities around the world.

[978] So then Andrew actually becomes a member of Gamma Moo for a little while.

[979] And he makes all these contacts within that group.

[980] So he's basically working within these incredibly powerful and rich kind of secretly gay men.

[981] Some were, some weren't.

[982] Which is another very interesting fact of how connected this guy was.

[983] He wasn't just some guy that snapped.

[984] This paper is so thick I thought I was holding two pieces of paper for like 30 seconds.

[985] This is why I interrupted myself.

[986] We could make so many crafts out of this.

[987] Snowflakes.

[988] It's just a big long paper chain with murders on the inside.

[989] Okay.

[990] Let's really focus.

[991] Karen.

[992] That's not what this podcast is called.

[993] Okay.

[994] So in the drugs, and also Andrew was really obsessed with very violent gay porn, and he started getting into S &M.

[995] And a lot of his friends think it was that the drug element of his life was taking over.

[996] And he was having to do things more and more and got more and more desperate because of the things that he had to do.

[997] And he also was into, there was like, he would brag about owning a warehouse that was full of things that fell off a truck and he would invite his friends.

[998] You should come.

[999] There's VCRs and there's TVs and there's stuff and everyone's like, no, thank you.

[1000] Just like trying to walk away.

[1001] Wait, no, the walk away song is the song.

[1002] This is no. You walk away in slow motion.

[1003] Ordinary love.

[1004] I don't want your stolen good.

[1005] No ordinary love.

[1006] Call back.

[1007] That's called a callback.

[1008] No, I'm fucking out.

[1009] He's also complaining that his sugar daddy is being cheap with him, flying him first class to these secret affairs and putting him up in a million -dollar home and paying him thousands of dollars a month for, you know, light sex, we would imagine.

[1010] So basically the sugar daddy is like, see you later.

[1011] I can do this anywhere with anyone, which he couldn't believe.

[1012] He was totally shocked that someone would break up with him.

[1013] he then his demeanor starts to change and there's a kind of a sad story of this girl who throughout the whole biography thing is kind of defending him saying he was so sweet and jovial in the life of the party she tells the story of seeing him in this phase and it was the last time she saw him alive and she saw him and was like Andrew and he just was basically like oh hey and hugged her and walked away so he was like they think he might have been into heroin he was doing all the drugs he was dealing they thought um he was gaining weight he just he was changing So in April of 1997, Jeffrey Trail, who's here in Minneapolis, tells a friend, he had this huge falling out with Andrew and, quote, I've got to get out of here, they're going to kill me. He was, apparently, Andrew asked him to work security in his import, export business, and which basically was, be a drug runner for me. And Jeffrey was like, told him to fuck off.

[1014] It is the quote.

[1015] That wasn't, that's not me. Amazingly, that's not me. Oh, really?

[1016] Saying the F word.

[1017] Yeah, he told him to fuck off.

[1018] But then he got scared because he was like, Andrew, you know, the ideas that he started threatening him.

[1019] Police theorized that Jeffrey Trail may have warned David Matson, stay away from Andrew something bad as happened.

[1020] So Andrew tells his friends he's going to move to San Francisco.

[1021] They have a big dinner at the night that he's supposed to leave.

[1022] And all of his friends at the dinner start saying, oh, who knows Andrew better?

[1023] Oh, I know him, I've known him this long, I've known him this long.

[1024] It's just kind of a fun party table talk, and then it goes quiet, and Andrew says, um, none of you know me and none of you know the truth.

[1025] Anyway, see you later.

[1026] I'll call you, but you can't call me because I didn't give you my phone number.

[1027] So the next day he leaves from Minneapolis.

[1028] Now, David Madsen, his plan was to stay with David Mattson, and David Manson's friends were all like, why are you letting that guy stay with you?

[1029] Um, so the night he got there, they, he, and David Mattson, was the kind of person he was like always trying to help people he was like a supporter of the underdog he was a good guy and so they he David took Andrew to um dinner where all his work friends were the night he got here and this woman tells a story where she was like he was just really aggressive and really weird and at one he was um giving David a bunch of shit about his shirt and like insulting that it wasn't like designer one of those things and then she said something and he goes, well, you're quite the bitch, aren't you?

[1030] To a woman he'd never met.

[1031] Fuck.

[1032] So two nights later, Andrew invites Jeffrey Trail over to David Mattson's apartment.

[1033] And that night, Mattson's neighbors told police that they heard yelling and thumping.

[1034] And at one point, they heard someone yell, get the fuck out.

[1035] So Andrew and David Mattson were seen walking David's dog the next day.

[1036] But then when David Madsen didn't show up for work for two days after that, that.

[1037] His friends began to worry.

[1038] So they went over to his apartment, knocked on the door, and they could hear whispering inside, but nobody came to the door.

[1039] And they were really worried, so they ended up calling police.

[1040] And police get there, and they break in the door, and they find the dead body of Jeffrey Trail rolled up in a carpet.

[1041] He was struck multiple times in the head with a claw hammer, which was lying nearby.

[1042] Four days later, two fishermen find David Madsen's body in Rush Lake.

[1043] Holy shit.

[1044] He'd been shot in the head and in the back with a 40 caliber pistol.

[1045] So when the news reached San Diego, because they all knew that he did it.

[1046] The news reaches San Diego where he's known as Andrew De Silva, and his picture comes up on the news as Andrew Kinnonan and all his friends are like, wait, what?

[1047] Like that's his real name.

[1048] And now they see their good friend that they used to party with is wanted for a double murder and they're like, ooh, get that you know like if you're in that position all of a sudden you're like oh that that weird thing he did at a party like all of a sudden you're like remembering every conversation whereas one eye did like a weird you know what I think we were talking to somebody and they seem interested and all of a sudden they glaze and then go somewhere else and you're like okay all righty so then basically Andrew Kannon is now on the run so he steals David Matt's Jeep and he drives to Chicago and he gets to the gold coast townhouse of 75 year old real estate tycoon Lee Miglin.

[1049] Miglin was esteemed in the political and social circles of Chicago.

[1050] On May 4th, they find Miglund's body in his garage.

[1051] He's been stabbed repeatedly in the chest with garden shears.

[1052] His throat was cut with a sawblade.

[1053] His head was wrapped in masking tape.

[1054] Oh, my God.

[1055] And $2 ,000 was missing from his apartment along with several expensive suits, gold coins, and his Lexus.

[1056] Police find that Miglin was a happily made.

[1057] married man of 38 years and that he and Andrew Kannon were strangers, which is a fact that Migglund's family vehemently confirms.

[1058] So that night they find the Jeep around the corner from the townhouse, and it's the one that David Matten owned.

[1059] So now they know Andrew Kahnon's on the run in Alexis.

[1060] Jesus.

[1061] So he's now the prime suspect in three murders.

[1062] So he drives to New York.

[1063] And when he gets to New York, he goes shopping on 57th Street.

[1064] You know, when you just killed a bunch of people, how you do, where you go to the fancy part of it down and get some jeans or whatever.

[1065] Z. Cavalricci, probably.

[1066] That's right.

[1067] He also went clubbing, which is what he did.

[1068] On May 8th, he gets back into the Lexus, and he's on the run again.

[1069] And just outside Philadelphia, he decides to use the car's cell phone.

[1070] Now, this is, you know, this is long ago when his cell phones weren't that big of a deal.

[1071] And so immediately, the police had already been monitoring it.

[1072] so immediately the police are like, he's right outside Philadelphia.

[1073] So then he hears it on the radio.

[1074] He's listening to the radio, and then he hears the report that he's right outside of Philadelphia.

[1075] So he drives to Jersey, and he pulls up to a cemetery.

[1076] He finds the caretaker, shoots and kills him on site, and steals his 1995 red Chevy pickup truck.

[1077] Now he is, so this four murders, he is now on the FBI's top 10 most wanted list, and he goes on to America's Most Wanted that week.

[1078] Oh, my God.

[1079] And I think that's when everybody, probably all of America really came, like this whole story really came to light, and everyone kind of knew.

[1080] Because there was a point in time where, like, this was all that was happening.

[1081] Yeah.

[1082] It was really weird.

[1083] And just the idea that there was a serial killer on the run that was trackable is so crazy or spree killer.

[1084] Okay, so May 12th, he arrives in South Beach in Miami.

[1085] He checks into the Normandy Plaza Hotel.

[1086] Um, and the owner says that they would see him, sometimes he had black hair, and sometimes he had white hair, and sometimes he had curly hair, and sometimes he had straight hair.

[1087] And then she goes, I think he was wearing wigs.

[1088] Yeah.

[1089] But they said other than that, he was really quiet, and he never brought anybody in.

[1090] He was really nice and that you'd never even pay attention to him.

[1091] But he ends up being able to stay there from May until the beginning of July.

[1092] Wow.

[1093] Yeah.

[1094] So he's just super low key, but they say that, um, in retrospect, they found out he would go to a diner where cops hung out.

[1095] like he is a classic psychopath in that way he thought he was smarter than everybody and he was liking he was liking the fame because this was what he always wanted he wanted to be well known and respected and regarded and famous and it was happening in the worst way possible so remembered yeah exactly most likely to be remembered yeah oh after me the storm so on july 7th he's running out of money so he takes some of the gold coins that he stole from lee mickland's townhouse and he sells them at a pawn shop where he signs his real name and gives a thumbprint.

[1096] The pawn shop, this is required for pawn shops, apparently.

[1097] They take that documentation, they turn it into the police.

[1098] Shut up.

[1099] The police never see it.

[1100] Because the paperwork and problems.

[1101] Sure.

[1102] So that just sits there.

[1103] Like, the answer to all their questions is kind of like on the top of a pile of papers.

[1104] It doesn't matter.

[1105] I mean, that's not probably their biggest issue at the moment.

[1106] Right.

[1107] Coins.

[1108] You know what I mean.

[1109] There's a guy that has an office that just says gold coins on the door.

[1110] And he's like, guys, I swear to God, I've got a theory.

[1111] And they're like, that's fucking idiot.

[1112] Don't worry about Dave.

[1113] He's always got a theory about coins.

[1114] So July 11th, he's spotted by a sandwich shop.

[1115] Sorry.

[1116] She just stuck her fingers in my tissue.

[1117] I'm sorry.

[1118] Okay.

[1119] It's like, we do this sometimes, like, I'm trying to make a point to you.

[1120] You won't have to leave this.

[1121] I saw you do that, and I was like, oh.

[1122] That's like the palm all of hand dip that I just write into your fucking Kleenex.

[1123] It's like, I try to hide this as well.

[1124] I was like, I'm the fact that my nose is running constantly.

[1125] You need to get an old sweater like my grandma so you can shove them up the sleeves.

[1126] That's what she always did.

[1127] Remember at the airport when I had a scarf on and I was just talking to, we were talking, and eye contact blew my nose in the scarf?

[1128] she blew her nose into her own scarf while staring at me like what the fuck are you going to do about it and I was like you know what I'm going to do I'm going to celebrate you because that's what we do this is my burden allergies are her burden allergies just okay July 11th he spotted in a sandwich shop and the cashier who is also in this special, whatever special it was, he's like, I watch, he goes, I watch America's Most Wanted, and I really pay attention.

[1129] So when he walked up, it clicked.

[1130] And I was like, fuck yes, murderino.

[1131] Those of us, we don't just put it on in the background while we're doing the dishes.

[1132] We study those faces.

[1133] And when we go out into the world, we look for those people.

[1134] Oh, hell yeah.

[1135] We look at license plates constantly.

[1136] Yes, we're checking.

[1137] Amber Alert, tell me about it.

[1138] I want to help.

[1139] Okay.

[1140] He called police.

[1141] Andrew's gone before they arrive.

[1142] He spotted 10 more times in the neighborhood.

[1143] Same exact thing happens.

[1144] On the morning of July 15th, designer Gianni Versace, who lived in the area in a gorgeous mansion because he was the biggest deal.

[1145] I mean, he was the hilt of everything.

[1146] Oh, now I'm going to go back a couple pages.

[1147] I told you to remember this is.

[1148] So I always was fascinated with that connection.

[1149] Why would he just go?

[1150] How did he get there?

[1151] How did he know he lived there?

[1152] Whatever.

[1153] Andrew, this is, from that Vanity Fair article, they say witnesses saw Andrew and Johnny Versace speak in a San Francisco nightclub, the nightclub Colossus in 1990.

[1154] I always wonder.

[1155] Versace was in town because he designed costumes for the San Francisco opera.

[1156] And that night, an eyewitness recalls, Coonanan was smugly pleased that Versace seemed to recognize him.

[1157] I know you, Versauchy said, wagging a finger in the then 21 -year -old's direction.

[1158] Lago de Como, no. And Kunan replied, thank you for remembering Signor Versauchy, the most pompous conversation that's ever happened in America.

[1159] That morning, every morning, Johnny Versace would get up and he would walk down to the newsstand.

[1160] He would buy the newspapers and magazines, and he'd buy coffee, and he would walk back home.

[1161] So as he's coming home.

[1162] He had the key in the gate walking into his house, and Andrew Koonanan walked up behind him and shot him twice in the head.

[1163] He died instantly on his front steps, and this was the murder that, I mean, this was on the news.

[1164] They kept showing the steps with the blood on them, and it's this gorgeous house that looks like it should be in Italy.

[1165] It's like, it's so crazy and then he walked away.

[1166] So, Versace's long -time companion, Anthony Diomico, was inside the house heard the gunshots came out saw him walking away oh my god and and started to chase him as did neighbors and people that were standing around because it wasn't like an empty street yeah it was just this cold -blooded killing in public a bunch of people started chasing him and then he turned around and acted like he was going to shoot them they stopped and then he ran um so then police find William Reese the cemetery caretaker that got murdered, they find his stolen truck with evidence linking Kunanin to his entire murder spree in a parking garage.

[1167] There were bloody clothes.

[1168] There was evidence from every part of the murder spree.

[1169] So the Miami police hold a press conference announcing that Andrew Canaanan was wanted for the murder of Gianni Versace.

[1170] They asked the public for help, and they're inundated with thousands of calls, of course, because everyone has a sighting.

[1171] And there were 1 ,000 from across the country, 400 from within South Beach alone.

[1172] And many of them were from an area off of Collins Avenue, which is down by where all the yachts are, the yachts in the houseboats, because you always got to come back to yachting.

[1173] So they trace him back to that hotel room at the Normandy Hotel.

[1174] They find fashion magazines, they find hair clippers, but they don't know where he's going to turn up next.

[1175] So there's these amazing kind of famous announcements that the cops would make where they're like, people, you have to help us.

[1176] Like, cops were on the news going, we need the public's help.

[1177] We have to find this guy because he is truly just on a legit murder spree.

[1178] On July 23rd, caretaker Fernando Carrera stopped by a large blue houseboat whose owner was away on business.

[1179] And we got to the front door, he noticed one of the locks was missing.

[1180] And then inside, he heard a gunshot.

[1181] So he calls police.

[1182] And there's a tense four -hour standoff.

[1183] police cut off electricity.

[1184] Eventually they shoot tear gas into the houseboat.

[1185] Do they know it's him or they're just like...

[1186] They don't know.

[1187] They're just like, it's highly likely.

[1188] Right, right, right.

[1189] So upstairs, it's a two -story houseboat.

[1190] That part blew my mind.

[1191] I was like, did I misread upstairs in the houseboat?

[1192] Isn't it just a...

[1193] Anyway, upstairs, they find the body of Ander Canaan and lying dead from a self -inflicted gunshot wound to the head.

[1194] that this houseboat was three miles away from Versace's mansion.

[1195] So he barely ran at all.

[1196] And just this subsequent piece of information, the FBI revealed that within 48 hours of the murder, Versace's murder, Andrew Kahnan had contacted an associate on the West Coast trying to get help for a passport to leave the country.

[1197] But it just sounds like he got discovered before he made it.

[1198] And that's that.

[1199] That's Andrew Kinnonan's murder spree.

[1200] It's a lot.

[1201] It was a lot.

[1202] Great job, Karen.

[1203] Oh, thank you.

[1204] Wow.

[1205] Thank you.

[1206] Wow.

[1207] That's such a sad story.

[1208] I mean, horrible.

[1209] Horrible.

[1210] Just, yeah.

[1211] Really one of the worst and one of the worst and then pointless.

[1212] So pointless and just terrible.

[1213] Yeah.

[1214] But now here's what's interesting because this is a true quilt episode.

[1215] Guess what we're doing?

[1216] We're going back to Georgia's show.

[1217] Right.

[1218] So now we're leaving October 18th, 2017.

[1219] Right.

[1220] And we're going.

[1221] And we're going.

[1222] back to the king's theater in a year like almost a year to the king back to the king's theater where we just were to listen to the hometown that was told that night.

[1223] All right, well it's time for a hometown murder.

[1224] Yeah.

[1225] So on either side.

[1226] Okay.

[1227] Cool.

[1228] Do you have any words of wisdom for us, Vince?

[1229] Try to get you guys hot pretzels, but they ran the fuck out.

[1230] See you sons of bitches.

[1231] Thanks for trying.

[1232] Thank you for trying.

[1233] Do you want to give them the rules?

[1234] The rundown?

[1235] I feel like you know the rules.

[1236] Brooklyn knows If you've had more than four cans of wine Sit down Sit down and think about what you're doing It needs to be local You need to be able to tell it Concisely There needs to be a beginning, a middle, and an end Don't leave us hanging It's great to know what happened If you're going to tell us if somebody did something bad To somebody else It's good to know what that person did at the end And then I guess just in general remember that everyone in the audience hates you for getting picked, so just do it quickly.

[1237] And bring me a can of wine.

[1238] Do you want me to do it?

[1239] You can do it.

[1240] Okay.

[1241] You're being so polite.

[1242] Yeah, yeah.

[1243] Come up this way.

[1244] It's so hard to see these faces.

[1245] This is Danielle, everybody.

[1246] Say hi.

[1247] Hi.

[1248] Hi.

[1249] Over there.

[1250] Isn't it terrifying?

[1251] Here, come over here.

[1252] Where are you from?

[1253] So I'm actually from Orlando.

[1254] For three years, my hometown is local, I promise.

[1255] Okay, great.

[1256] All right, so just go.

[1257] If you want to, yeah, go ahead.

[1258] So, this is the murder of Danielle Thomas.

[1259] She lived in Astoria, Queens.

[1260] So in 2010, I moved to New York.

[1261] Danielle was a really great friend of my mom.

[1262] I met her a few times.

[1263] Right after I moved to New York, she moved to New York.

[1264] and she moved here to be with her fiance.

[1265] So in 2012, sadly, she just, there was a lot of problems with the relationship.

[1266] She went to the police, got a restraining order, crazy stuff.

[1267] One day, I'm literally on break from my lunch at work, and my mom calls.

[1268] She's like, Danielle, I don't know what to do.

[1269] Danielle's dead.

[1270] Like, I couldn't believe it.

[1271] So come to find out, Jason had actually strangled her to death.

[1272] Oh, my God.

[1273] Horrible.

[1274] Left her in the bathtub on ice, called the police.

[1275] He called the police himself.

[1276] He called the police himself.

[1277] You know, let them know to come and get her.

[1278] He ran.

[1279] Like two weeks later, he turned himself in, and he's in jail for life.

[1280] Good.

[1281] Oh, my God.

[1282] Thank God.

[1283] Again, Danielle was in a really special person to my mom.

[1284] My mom passed away three years ago and it's okay.

[1285] And it's just a really emotional story.

[1286] My sister's here, Julia.

[1287] So she wanted me to say her name.

[1288] But we both just really have a strong connection to that murder.

[1289] And I really thank my mom for the, my true crime obsession.

[1290] Yeah.

[1291] But that's the hometown of her.

[1292] Sorry for your loss.

[1293] That was good.

[1294] That was good.

[1295] she has a memorial scholarship fund that her mom and her grandmother do every year she's from kentucky and look it up daniel thomas memorial funds that's what it's like great job okay okay she wasn't from new york but who is but it turned out okay she got she got by hi elvis elvis came just for the end of the show Perfect.

[1296] Well, then let's wrap it up.

[1297] All right.

[1298] Well, thanks, you guys.

[1299] We will talk to you next week.

[1300] Thanks so much for listening.

[1301] We hope you guys are mentally doing okay.

[1302] Hope you're still baking and baking and welding and doing all the things that you've chosen to begin doing in COVID -19 quarantine.

[1303] Don't cut your own hair.

[1304] I mean, unless you want a shorty.

[1305] That's right.

[1306] And also stay sexy.

[1307] And don't get murdered.

[1308] Goodbye.

[1309] Bye.

[1310] Elvis, you want a cookie?

[1311] Good boy.

[1312] He's right there.

[1313] Good boy.