The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz XX
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[13] Why are you listening to this show?
[14] The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebitard podcast.
[15] I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that.
[16] In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging.
[17] I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there.
[18] That hasn't happened to you guys?
[19] I've done it.
[20] And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar.
[21] Sorry for this transition if we don't want to go here, but what you were saying would make me remember that the big three league, they challenged the Netherlands, the big three champions of the world, the Olympic champions, gold medal, star, salute.
[22] And the Netherlands accepted the challenge, and the FIBA stepped in and said, no, we can't do that.
[23] So I feel like, bro, if you allow the big three to construct the team, Michael Beasley, Jordan Crawford, Swaggy P &M, bruh, I think they can beat whoever in the world.
[24] Coach by who?
[25] Coached by our sister, Nancy Lieberman.
[26] I have a question.
[27] Have you guys ever watched the Big Three League?
[28] Yes.
[29] Do they have the same, is it the same rules as 3X3?
[30] No. That's what I thought.
[31] So are we playing with Fibre rules or are we doing Big Three rules?
[32] This is the eternal question.
[33] Anytime we have an international team wanting to play against one of our teams over here, it's like, what rules are we playing with?
[34] Because the big three uses an NBA three point line.
[35] International uses the closer international line.
[36] Big three, 24 second shot clock, international.
[37] I think it's...
[38] 14.
[39] And as soon as the ball goes in, the hoop.
[40] It's like...
[41] It's live.
[42] It's the other team's ball, but it's live.
[43] So they got to check it up.
[44] Well, they got to get out to three -point line.
[45] But yeah, Big Three does check up, right?
[46] Big Three has a four -point spot.
[47] Which is very far, by the way.
[48] It is very far, but it exists.
[49] It does not exist.
[50] Do they have...
[51] Are there three -pointers, three -pointers or two -pointers?
[52] No, they play twos and threes and a four -point spot.
[53] International 3x3, ones and twos, like we're playing pickup.
[54] I feel like, put Michael Beasley out there, whatever the rules is.
[55] Whatever rule y 'all want Michael Beasier to play, he's going to win, man. He's the goat, for real.
[56] The interesting thing, Juju, if you really want to go down this three -on -three thing, we talked to Fran Fischilla, who is the, he's basically the Grant Hill of the three -on -three program for Team USA.
[57] And he was saying, like, the big, we talked to him on oddball, by the way, check it out wherever you get videos and podcasts and all that stuff.
[58] But Coach Fraschilla explained to us the reason why.
[59] Why didn't we send Michael Beasley and all these guys?
[60] He says because Feeba made the rules so that in order to be eligible to play in the Olympics, you have to play in all of these qualifying tournaments throughout the year.
[61] They made it specifically so we couldn't just take our three best players.
[62] All right, here we go, let's go.
[63] So that's why they had to get guys who were ready to commit, guys who are ready to give up on opportunities to play in other leagues and stuff to make money in order to do this.
[64] That's why Jim and Fredek came out of retirement to do it.
[65] Which is enough said.
[66] Like, come on, what are we doing, y 'all?
[67] It's Fiba.
[68] It's not us.
[69] It's Fiba.
[70] It's why the women's team was going to be Haley Van Liff and Cameron Brink were like two of the big names in it because they've been on the 3x3 circuit winning all these like 3x3 events when they were in college.
[71] So they were going to, like they have a lot of chemistry together which is why when Cameron Brink got hurt, obviously.
[72] like changed their, but they still end up getting a bronze.
[73] So not terrible.
[74] But yeah, I'm curious about this new like unrivaled league, which is a three -on -three league that Brianna Stewart and Nefisa Collier are starting in Miami, too.
[75] Like I doubt it's going to be the same rules as Fiba, but I wonder if that is going to like spark interest in people playing more three -on -three basketball because - People play three -on -three basketball, right?
[76] But being on the five -on -five team is still obviously like.
[77] Sure, that's the goal.
[78] People aren't going to take off time from their regular five -on -five league to play in the 3x3 tournaments, like you said.
[79] And the Unrival, they got a one versus one league coming out of the tournament.
[80] Bro, I'm so ready for the Unrival, salute to Brianna Stewart and the Fizi.
[81] Y 'all, do y 'all like watching one -on -one?
[82] Hell yeah.
[83] I feel like one -on -one just turns into the same thing.
[84] And maybe I'm just speaking from my youth, but it's like, oh, it's just to a fight.
[85] One -on -one does I, like, did they call the old pals?
[86] Right.
[87] The hell, no, to check up.
[88] Would Durant be the most dominant one -on -one player?
[89] Yeah, just because he's seven feet tall and he shoots from anywhere.
[90] It's like you can't beat that.
[91] Nobody can beat that?
[92] The most dominant one -on -one player of any kind you would say is Kevin Durant, history of the sport.
[93] Give me a top five.
[94] Kyrie would like a word.
[95] I would say history, but Kevin Durant can guard Kyrie.
[96] Kyrie can't guard Kevin Durant.
[97] LeBron can guard him all.
[98] I don't know if he could guard Kevin Durant one -on -one.
[99] J -Ju, you got LeBron ahead of Durant if you were like ranking?
[100] If I'm ranking them, I think I got it.
[101] Pat LeBron and then KD second.
[102] Wow.
[103] Wouldn't I just take Shaq?
[104] See, that's the one.
[105] If Shaq gets ball first, then it's game over.
[106] But if Shaq doesn't get ball first, like he's got issues.
[107] Durant just needs to miss one shot and then Shaq gets the ball back.
[108] And once Shaq gets the ball, he's just going to, you know, Durant's just going to get stuck in his ass crack again and again until Kevin Durant can't do anything at all.
[109] Like there will not be any stopping of Shaq.
[110] He's just dunking every time.
[111] You have Kevin Durant missing shots.
[112] Come on, man. A shot.
[113] No. A shot.
[114] I have him missing a shot with Shaq guarding him.
[115] No?
[116] No. He'll miss a damn shot.
[117] Come on to me. He ain't superman.
[118] He just, he went perfect in that win game.
[119] Put it on the poll, please, Juju.
[120] Who wins a one -on -one game between Kevin Durant and Shaq?
[121] And also put on the poll, is Kevin Durant the greatest one -on -one player ever?
[122] Oh, Carmelo Anthony is the only other name I would.
[123] I would have there.
[124] Well, but Durant's got four inches on that.
[125] Sure, but Carmelo's strong, and Carmelo can make shots all over also.
[126] Okay, so, but you're making Carmelo Anthony, somebody who's more imposing one -on -one than Kevin Durant than LeBron?
[127] Yes, I think one -on -one, yes.
[128] How am I playing this game?
[129] Tracy McGrady would be good.
[130] Oh, Tracy McGregory would be awesome.
[131] You know what?
[132] Okay, open it back up.
[133] Well, Kobe would be great, too.
[134] That's a good one.
[135] Good answer.
[136] Oh, my God.
[137] All right, okay.
[138] Now we have to reopen this.
[139] Michael Jordan?
[140] I mean, you just took the...
[141] What?
[142] Don't be ridiculous, Tony.
[143] Stugats isn't here.
[144] I had to say it.
[145] In his memory, you summon Michael Jordan.
[146] He's so mad that he's not here.
[147] Stephen A. got very mad at Carmelo for saying that he would take his gold medal over an NBA championship.
[148] He wouldn't trade his gold medal.
[149] He said it's the most ridiculous thing Carmelo's ever said.
[150] And that's American exceptionalism for you.
[151] Any particular reason that you muttered that under your breath as if you're extremely tired?
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[181] As soon as Oldhead Roy arrived, he sort of nuked everything I was talking about by putting in De Niro and Pacino, who obviously are bigger movie stars than Clooney and Pitt.
[182] But I don't think of them as the classically handsome movie star, which is where we were having the conversation about beauty and Hollywood.
[183] Do I have this wrong?
[184] because I do I have the raging bull you think of De Niro as being beautiful for the time period Puccino scent of a woman or Godfather 2?
[185] With the slick back hair?
[186] Come on.
[187] Pushback, slick back.
[188] They're no Giamatti but No. De Niro?
[189] De Niro had the quality of as he got older got more handsome.
[190] So you think of De Niro as the same kind of handsome as Pitt and Clooney?
[191] Like I almost make their movie stardom about them being handsome like it pits in a different category like Pitt is up there pit DeCaprio Denzel Wesley for for a moment Caprio is in the Pitt category Ever since shut out Wesley Wesley Wesley make made dark skin back in man That's how it happened Is Pitt Is Pitt viewed as more handsome than Clooney as a movie star?
[192] Brad Pitt is just like a phrase That's Brad Pitt Brad Pitt, yes.
[193] Clooney looks like Stugats.
[194] Let's be honest.
[195] I, okay, just put it on the Polat Levitow.
[196] I don't think of Pitt as, I know Pitt has the pretty boy stuff, but I thought Clooney was the standard of handsome movie star handsome for his time.
[197] Dan, I'm going to tell you right now, this is how I know.
[198] This is how I know who's the pretty boys and who are guys who are merely just handsome, right?
[199] The pretty boys are the one that I hate at first.
[200] This guy can't act.
[201] And then as time goes on, I'm like, he's pretty good, man. You know who else is in that category?
[202] Not as good of an actor, but still won me over, despite all the next guy is whack.
[203] Zach Efron.
[204] I used to hate on Zach Efron.
[205] I'm like, what this Disney?
[206] Da, da, da, da.
[207] Oh, he's just a pretty boy.
[208] And I started really watching his movies and stuff.
[209] I'm like, yo, this thing is pretty good, man. Baywatch?
[210] Neighbors?
[211] Before you started talking about Zach Afron, I was going to say, this is why the Ocean Series is one of our greatest filmmaking achievements of all time because, wow.
[212] What a cast.
[213] Put it on the poll, Juju.
[214] More handsome movie star.
[215] And if I make it classically handsome, it's going to be Clooney.
[216] It's not going to be Brad Pitt.
[217] If you make it classically handsome, it's going to be somebody white for sure.
[218] Who's the more handsome movie star, George Clooney or Brad Pitt at Lebitard Show?
[219] I'm not sure this is as concrete as you think it is, but maybe I've got this wrong.
[220] getting back to the initial conversation i was trying to have in the labyrinth of all the things that we've discussed since then so aaron judge yeah gets to 300 home runs faster than anyone in the history of the sport he wears pinstripes he is the historically great franchise in the giant market he's a big star literally in new york I'm not sure outside of baseball how big a star Aaron Judge is.
[221] I want some more expertise on this subject, but the reason I bring all of this up is and therein lies where it is 20 years later that steroids end up hurting baseball the most.
[222] You distort all of the numbers so much in a sport that treated its numbers as treasures that now when Aaron Judge gets to a number in that sport, it only matters to the people who care the most about that sport.
[223] Whereas when you get to the big milestones, usually, now that I'm watching the Pete Rose documentary, I'm watching how it is he got a nine -minute standing ovation because the number that he got to mattered, and it seems like that's a different time.
[224] But all across America, Pete Rose was one of the biggest stars anywhere because he played baseball better than others.
[225] I don't feel like Aaron Judge.
[226] I feel like if we sat here and started talking stars in sports, I'm not sure that we wouldn't get to 50 names.
[227] Whoa.
[228] 50 before anyone mentioned Aaron Judge.
[229] If we just went all across sports, because we're not just making it about baseball, we're making it about all of sports.
[230] and how it leaks into the rest of society and the rest of pop culture.
[231] America or the world?
[232] Because we say the world, now we start throwing some other names in there that I don't know.
[233] Like, for instance, Louis Hamilton, the world, bigger star than Aaron Judge.
[234] Lewis Hamilton can walk around New York City.
[235] No one would stop them, though.
[236] The world, I would say in America.
[237] I think you might be off with that one.
[238] Even if it's America, bro, I can name 50 professional players that are more popular than Aaron Judge.
[239] Could I get to 100?
[240] How controversial is it if I say...
[241] Are he the first baseball player?
[242] Are we not saying Shohei first?
[243] Right, of course.
[244] The Shohei's a better player, but is he more popular?
[245] Yes.
[246] Domestically in America?
[247] Yes.
[248] In the United States?
[249] In the U .S. of A. But judge is so tall that I feel like...
[250] So is Shohei, but like everyone is seeing judge, though, and being like, that's somebody.
[251] My larger point is someone who looks like that, does that in that uniform, and any time in my lifetime before now, that's someone who's in the top.
[252] top 10 sports star category the way Jeter was.
[253] Like that, that's how that one's going to happen.
[254] So Adnan Verk is with us now and maybe we'll get some more expertise on this because he really knows his baseball and he's seen the entire generation of stuff I'm talking about.
[255] And he also knows his movie so we can ask him about the Brad Pitt stuff also after we get to this baseball club.
[256] Yes, yes, we can.
[257] We can find out who he thinks is more handsome, Brad Pitt or George Clooney as well.
[258] So Adnan, get in on what it is that we're talking about here.
[259] Cinephile is the name of his only movie podcast because he loves that.
[260] It's one of the things that he loves more than baseball.
[261] One of the few is the movies.
[262] Aaron Judge, the number getting to 300 within a thousand games faster than anyone else, at any point in your lifetime, would it have felt bigger than it feels right now because of baseball status in America?
[263] Yes and no. I understand what you're saying, Dan, that baseball doesn't hold the same passion allure at a national level that did in the 80s and the 90s when I was growing up.
[264] But I also think the number isn't massive.
[265] Like 300 home runs to me, as a kid growing up, you knew 400 home runs was huge.
[266] Al Keline was 399.
[267] You knew 500 home runs is automatic induction to Cooperstown.
[268] So to me, if I hear 300 home runs, I'm like, okay, now what's notable, as you said, is he's the fastest to ever do it.
[269] 400 fewer at bats at Babe Ruth.
[270] And you look at all the great sluggers of the past, no one's going to.
[271] quicker than Judge.
[272] So it's certainly notable.
[273] And perhaps on national level, he should get more pup because he's an incredible player.
[274] He should win his second MVP, certainly living here in North Jersey.
[275] I'm surrounded by Yankees fans.
[276] Trust me, there's no lack of notoriety on Aaron Judge.
[277] Everyone knows as special he is.
[278] But I can't speak for the entire country.
[279] Is it not the way it once was?
[280] Sure.
[281] But 300 is not 500.
[282] I think people still know he's great.
[283] If the Yankees make some noise in the playoffs, everyone will still be aware of who Aaron Judge is.
[284] If I told you, though, that I can name 50 athletes in America who are bigger stars than Aaron Judge, you would say what?
[285] That's ridiculous.
[286] I think that's too many.
[287] 10, absolutely.
[288] I'm on 9 right now.
[289] I'm on 9.
[290] 50.
[291] Not, Jucci.
[292] You can't get to 50?
[293] That's crazy.
[294] I'm only on number 9 and I just started it.
[295] Can I just say, can we hear what you have so far, Juju?
[296] LeBron, Steph, K .D., Kailen Clark, Jalen Brunson, the Joker, Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum.
[297] No, I'm not putting Jail LeBron.
[298] You're out your mind.
[299] Dylan Brown, forget it.
[300] Oh, okay, so all the other names don't get nothing.
[301] See how they do you?
[302] They listen to eight names that was acceptable.
[303] They harped on one.
[304] I got you, bro.
[305] Okay, Caitlin Clark, I would also argue, Juju.
[306] I know she's a big star, but I think she went to visit Aaron Judge.
[307] The story wasn't Caitlin Clark's at the Yankee Stadium.
[308] It's a Kate and Clark went to be here to Judge.
[309] It's a young woman who grew up in the era of these stars.
[310] She's a bigger star to Aaron.
[311] Adnan, please, brother, I care about you.
[312] Don't do this.
[313] No, but the reason I want to talk about this is because I think, think that this is where you're going to see the Gulf of where it is that Adnan spends the entirety of his life in the bubble of baseball where they think of.
[314] Yes, Aaron Judge is a huge star and they don't realize how much baseball has fallen in cultural points with everyone in America.
[315] Despite my jersey, I'm not in the baseball buzzle, but bubble, right?
[316] But I also think you are severely underrating Aaron Judge.
[317] No, I'm underrating baseball, if anything.
[318] It's not about judge.
[319] It's about the fact that I don't think of Aaron Judge as the kind of star.
[320] Man, all the quarterbacks.
[321] No. No, all the star quarterback.
[322] I just said that back here.
[323] All the star quarterback.
[324] Tyree Hill.
[325] Joe Borough, absolutely not.
[326] Joe Borough Andrews.
[327] That's ridiculous.
[328] I'm with a mean.
[329] There's no way.
[330] I think y 'all are showing y 'all age at this point because y 'all sound old as hell.
[331] Joe Burrow has like more than two times the amount of insta followers.
[332] Right.
[333] Y 'all don't understand what TikTok is.
[334] I guess bro, do y 'all see him through the playoffs last year?
[335] When he threw the ball in Buffalo and the snow, brother, these women went crazy, man. Cheers you.
[336] If you pulled 100 sports fans and just showed pictures, goes, who's this and who's this?
[337] Aaron Judge versus Joe Burrow.
[338] More people are knowing Aaron Judge.
[339] I know you work for the MLB and the baseball league, but I'd like to introduce you to America, the real world, because you are asleep.
[340] The 2019 LSU Tigers were one of the greatest college football teams of our lives.
[341] People know Joe Burrow, my guy.
[342] I don't know why I said that.
[343] Aaron Rogers.
[344] I would say that this has to do with a generational gulf there, and I am allowing for how much baseball has fallen, and I'm also allowing for an entire demo that runs 18 to 34 that doesn't care about the way that baseball makes it stars.
[345] But I will argue this, Dan, and again, as you just said, I have a puppet for Major League Baseball here as one of the hosts of MLO Network, Emmy Award winner.
[346] The ratings, I just saw the ratings the other day.
[347] Yeah, but baseball doesn't matter.
[348] We still won the Emmy, by the way.
[349] We beat Sports Center.
[350] We beat NFL live.
[351] Tell them.
[352] Let them know.
[353] Baseball beat him.
[354] That's okay.
[355] But anyways, back to my point.
[356] Ratings are up right now, Dan.
[357] I check nationally, they send me, you can tell me it's propaganda.
[358] The national ratings for Major League Baseball up 10 % across the board of Fox and ESPN.
[359] Rating for our network up 10%.
[360] So that's a national networks.
[361] We're still generating people.
[362] You're making it sound like no one's watching baseball on national level.
[363] People are still watching it.
[364] The numbers are up.
[365] And then the other thing I would add on to that is you just says you guys are old.
[366] You all acting like the old people went away.
[367] Yeah, there's still a shit ton more people older than 35 than there are people younger than 35 in this country.
[368] Brother, I'm just saying Joe Burrow is more popular than you guys think.
[369] That's all.
[370] And beyond that, I would say, Adnan, I'm actually not disputing.
[371] I love baseball, and I watch a lot of baseball, and I'm not disputing that the ratings are up.
[372] I am disputing that baseball has a lot of national stars.
[373] I am disputing.
[374] I am saying to you that all of those people watching, yes, absolutely.
[375] Aaron Judge, all those people watching absolutely know who Aaron Judge is, and they think of him as a star.
[376] But if I go outside of that, because stardom isn't just you're great at your sport, Mike Trout is great at the sport.
[377] He's not a star.
[378] He's just simply not a star.
[379] And so a name of the kind that I can name 50 people, you wouldn't dispute with me that 50 people go ahead of Trout, correct?
[380] Correct.
[381] I think that's fair.
[382] I think definitely, listen, football rules the country.
[383] We all know that.
[384] As you said, quarterback specifically, if you look at star players and star power that runs the NBA, no question.
[385] If someone says, you know, team X is playing team Y. It's not the teams.
[386] It's more about the player.
[387] It's Durant versus whomever.
[388] I would agree with that.
[389] Certainly the star power isn't there in baseball.
[390] But I think if you're a fan, you still know the stars are there.
[391] I'd go a step further, though, Adnan, and you correct me if I'm wrong on this.
[392] I'd say baseball has only two stars.
[393] I mean, everyone definitely.
[394] knows Judge and Otani.
[395] Those guys are transcendent.
[396] And Bobby Witt's having an incredible here, but you're right.
[397] Nobody would know Bobby Witt.
[398] Who?
[399] That's the bias I'm talking about.
[400] The Bobby Witt.
[401] This is the world where he lives.
[402] How old is he?
[403] This is the world where he lives.
[404] I remember Bobby Witt's father.
[405] Nobody would know who Gunner Henderson is.
[406] He's right about that.
[407] Okay.
[408] I don't like this argument.
[409] Does he make it.
[410] Buckey bets.
[411] Everyone knows Mookie Bets.
[412] Fair enough.
[413] He's been hurt.
[414] Spooky bets.
[415] Fair enough.
[416] Yes.
[417] Bryce Harper.
[418] Bryce Harper is a star.
[419] People know Bryce Harper.
[420] Okay.
[421] I'll concede them to you.
[422] But the fact that the sport in its entirety, that's a star problem, Adnan.
[423] Yes.
[424] Like that's, that's, and the ratings can be up and it can still be a star problem.
[425] No, to your point, Dan, before, you know, again, do you pick whatever NBA team you like?
[426] If you say Oklahoma City, you're looking at SGA, you're not saying, oh, I love the thunder.
[427] Whereas if you're looking at the twins, you lose support them because the twins.
[428] You're not saying, oh, Byron Buxton's coming to town or Carlos Correa or Royce Lewis, all great players.
[429] I hear you.
[430] America says who's more handsome.
[431] George Clooney or Brad Pitt in their prime?
[432] I'm glad I mean out of the cabinet because I'm just saying George's a little older now.
[433] I mean, I don't think through the same age.
[434] I think George in his prime.
[435] Because Clooney's got that, yeah, you know what?
[436] I know Brad Pitt, and this is again an example of me skewing older because, you know, George, again, I think when he was in his prime had that older, like a modern -day Kerry Grant, had that refined look.
[437] Brad Pitt, though, in his prime.
[438] I mean, and every single woman is jumping his bones.
[439] So, again, if I'm speaking on behalf of America, I think most of them would say Brad Pitt, but I personally, in my taste, the heterosexual man found George Clooney more attractive at his apex.
[440] The heterosexual man wasn't necessary.
[441] You could just be handsome.
[442] Travis Kelsey, Jason Kelsey, Mama Kelsey, Donna Kelsey, Dionne Sanders, who had my brother.
[443] Ju -ju, keep going.
[444] And at the end of this segment, you're going to have 50 of them.
[445] You're going to be able to find 50 people that you can name before Aaron Judge.
[446] Can we define stardom first because there's celebrities and then there's stars.
[447] And stardom, to me, implies that you know them beyond just what they're good at.
[448] So, like, you know, Caitlin Clark, she's a star because we know Caitlin Clark and we know things about her that catapult her past just like, oh, she's a celebrity.
[449] You know what I mean?
[450] Like, Aaron Judge, I just don't know anything about.
[451] No, I think to me a star is, does someone who doesn't watch your sport know who you are?
[452] Put it on the poll then.
[453] Who's a bigger star?
[454] Clark or Aaron Judge, because I don't think it's Aaron Judge.
[455] Aaron Judge literally walked around New York City asking people who is this, and if people didn't even know who he was, he had a picture himself.
[456] This is nonsense.
[457] This is nonsense.
[458] This is all lies now.
[459] If I know your dog's name, you're a star, for example.
[460] So you get to be the gatekeeper?
[461] Your knowledge is the gatekeeper.
[462] You're a star.
[463] I'm not saying that because my dog got recognized yesterday while I was walking her by a dog named Churro.
[464] That's not why.
[465] But It implies, like, people have interest in you beyond just, you know, your thing that you're very good at.
[466] They're interested in you, the person.
[467] You're a star.
[468] What's something about Caitlin Clark outside of basketball that we're interested in?
[469] That actually, as I was saying it, I was like, she's actually a bad example because she has been, like, very, very, like, kept her, like, personal life sort of private.
[470] But people do know about, like, her boyfriend and her friends.
[471] Yeah, they know about her boyfriend for all the wrong reasons.
[472] That was a bad example.
[473] Angel Reese would be a better example because she's been in, like, music videos, and she's, on stage with Megan the Stallion and she's got like this like huge pop culture crossover tie.
[474] I think the definition is going to be different by generation, Adnan.
[475] I think that what they're talking about when juju objects and bucks on us because he's telling he's telling you that Joe Burrow has a TikTok following that we don't understand.
[476] There's a different measure of celebrity presently happening right now than there was back when it was paparazzi chasing George Clooney and Brad Pitt around.
[477] Yeah.
[478] I mean now we just we have options.
[479] We have more vehicles.
[480] There's different avenues that stard him takes.
[481] How about Juan Soto?
[482] Juan Soto's a star.
[483] Come on.
[484] Someone back me up on Wonsoto.
[485] No, I disagree.
[486] And I love him.
[487] I love him as a baseball player.
[488] No, those are not.
[489] I understand what you're saying.
[490] Adnan, you're so close to it that you're looking at the players in your sport that have huge flamboyance.
[491] And what I'm saying is that baseball rarely leaves its confines.
[492] It rarely gets out into the public to become a pop culture phenomenon anymore.
[493] can't be as great as Mike Trout has been for a decade and nobody cares who you are, no matter the market you play in.
[494] Not when you just mention Shea Gilgis Alexander and O KC, and it becomes instantaneous.
[495] Mike Trout, it took Chey Gilgis Alexander one year to do what Mike Trout hasn't done in 10.
[496] Jay, Jay, Jay, White, Jake Powell, come on, fish.
[497] Jake Paul, come on.
[498] No, no, what?
[499] That was all my athletes.
[500] That we thought about my sports people.
[501] You know, y 'all are on the roads right now.
[502] Y 'all don't know what to do.
[503] I got more.
[504] No, I don't agree with a lot of your list, but I'm going to let you cook because I like your contributions.
[505] That's why.
[506] But I don't agree with a lot of your list.
[507] But I like your contributions.
[508] Keep going, young buck.
[509] Don't talk to me like that, bro.
[510] My list is valid.
[511] But, Juju, this is my point.
[512] When you talk about TikTok and all that stuff, you're right for a certain generation.
[513] It's true.
[514] But the thing that y 'all seem to be ignoring is that the majority of this country are older people.
[515] They may not be in all the places where we're looking for them on Facebook, on TikTok, on Instagram, whatever, but they're there.
[516] And for those people, Aaron Judge...
[517] They're exclusively on Facebook.
[518] Who?
[519] Old people.
[520] Well, you know what I mean.
[521] I'll cancel my MySpace page, if that's what you want.
[522] Juju, you're trying to tell me Aaron Judge and Kate and Clark are walking down Times Square.
[523] You think Caitlin Clark has more buzzed than Aaron Judge.
[524] Not Times Square.
[525] Let's put them both in Iowa.
[526] I hope Aaron Judge asked fans about Aaron Judge in Times Square.
[527] with glasses on it.
[528] That's what the nerds, the tourists.
[529] That's because he had glasses on him.
[530] We got to put them in a neutral location.
[531] We have to put them in like Boise or something.
[532] Put him here.
[533] Adnan.
[534] Caitlin is a bad example.
[535] She's like as famous as anyone right now.
[536] She's in every commercial.
[537] What commercial?
[538] Every single commercial.
[539] I don't know what commercial.
[540] Nike, State Farm, Gatorade.
[541] That's three off the top of my head that I have seen a thousand times just in the last week.
[542] Doesn't seem like we're watching the same things.
[543] I'm watching sports.
[544] I don't know what you guys are watching.
[545] Not baseball, though.
[546] I never see Caitlin Clark.
[547] I'm going to say this right now.
[548] I think we've arrived at a agree to disagree, which means we passed Armageddon.
[549] Oh, wow.
[550] Armageddon cannot be 10 spots down on this.
[551] This list is not in any way accurate.
[552] Adnan, one of the things that we were talking about, because I was saying that I was transported to another time seeing GQ magazine put Clooney and Pitt on the cover.
[553] and you as a movie connoisseur of the highest order again i will tell people cinephile is some place that you can find his passions uh they are uh resplendent like he really knows a lot about what he's talking about when it comes to movies baseball and fame not so much uh when when i say to you top five male movie stars of your time of your time that fit all of the categories of checkmarked checkmark check mark i was saying those two on that cover go in every top five for my generation and it just means something different i'm not even sure we're even going to make movie stars exactly like that again so your top five of people in the difficult abstract category of these are the five male stars that everyone knew and loved i didn't put pachino and denaro in there i didn't yeah i mean i guess that maybe that's generation like those guys that really they're tipping point was the 70s.
[554] It became breakthrough stars, obviously, for Al, Godf -I mean, that run he had from Godfather 1, Godfather 2, Serpico Dogged afternoon, historic 4 -4 -4, and of course De Niro right there with him with taxi driver Main Streets, later Raging Bulls.
[555] So if you're just saying my generation, I'm 46, I'd say DiCaprio, Clooney, Pitt, Denzel, Tom Cruise.
[556] Like to me, those five guys, juggernauts, those guys could open any movie.
[557] Will Smith is probably right through the precipice.
[558] I know you guys had a very lengthy Will Smith conversation the other day, But to me, I mean, the fact that Will Smith that eight straight $100 million blockbusters is shocking.
[559] But those five, Leo Clooney, Pitt, Denzel, Cruz.
[560] Hanks.
[561] Oh, Hanks, of course.
[562] Thanks, yeah, thanks, of course.
[563] Thanks.
[564] So did you forget?
[565] You forgot?
[566] So do you have to redo your list now?
[567] Yeah, we're going to, uh, no, I still like it.
[568] Hanks and Hanks is on the outset, look at it.
[569] You know, I'll take out on the cruise because I hate something.
[570] Hanks is in.
[571] Leo, Cluny, Pitt, Denzel.
[572] So hold on a minute.
[573] What just happened?
[574] Chaos just happened.
[575] The list seems faulty.
[576] Hanks does go in, and who'd you pull out?
[577] Tom Cruise is out.
[578] What?
[579] Yeah, we're taking Tom Cruise.
[580] Who am I taking out?
[581] Leo Clooney hit Denzel.
[582] Cluny.
[583] Cluny doesn't have the resume that all those other guys have.
[584] As an actor.
[585] That's an actor.
[586] You're right.
[587] No, it means right.
[588] Clooney's out.
[589] Yes.
[590] As a director, he's deadless.
[591] I adore Good Night and Good Lock again.
[592] TV persons about black and white 50s movies.
[593] I love that kind of stuff.
[594] But yeah, he's made a lot of misses as a director and as an actor.
[595] If you looked at his apex and star power and fandom, I mean, Cruz shows up.
[596] It's $100 million.
[597] Clooney hasn't been able to do that.
[598] I got a question for Adnan, if I might.
[599] One of my producer, I guess the executive producer, Rod Ball, is a man named Gabe Goodwin.
[600] And Gabe Goodwin had this thread a couple of years ago.
[601] He says, Tom Cruise is the greatest actor for his flexibility because he's got one of the best rom -coms and Jerry McGuire.
[602] One of the best dramas and a few good men.
[603] One of the best action franchises in Mission Impossible.
[604] One of the best road trip movies in Rain Man. One of the best cameos in Topic Thunder.
[605] Don't make me do this.
[606] Don't make me do this.
[607] One of the best villains.
[608] Tom Cruise is cocky in everything he's ever been in.
[609] That's the role.
[610] I love Gabe Goodwin -I mean.
[611] I remember him well from our days of these, but I've heard his pro -cruz rants.
[612] Listen, he's made a ton of movies.
[613] If you make 100 movies, by nature, you're going to have a few hits.
[614] But I've never found him to dance point.
[615] to have an exceeding amount of range.
[616] He's generally the same guy.
[617] I know there's variations on that.
[618] Yeah, I don't think he has a ton of range.
[619] And listen, I think Rain Man, he's underappreciated.
[620] Hoff won the Oscar, but he's doing a really good job playing the straight man. So I get it.
[621] Chopin Thunder is a hysterical cameo.
[622] Magnolia is a brilliant movie.
[623] I adore P .T. Anderson.
[624] But generally, if you tell me Tom Cruise is like the best actor of his generation, that's where I press pause.
[625] He's made a lot of repetitive movies, a lot of action movies that are generally the same ilk.
[626] And I don't really see him challenging himself the way other actors would.
[627] He's not, he's at immersive like a Daniel Day Lewis.
[628] He's not doing what De Niro did in his pride.
[629] Oh, now you made me think of Daniel Day Lewis.
[630] Now I'm thinking, what do we do with Matthew McConaughey?
[631] I mean, Matt Damon, we haven't even mentioned.
[632] McConaughey?
[633] No, McConaughey?
[634] You want to talk about one -trick pony.
[635] Oh, wow, oh, ah, oh, ah, oh, ah.
[636] To me's point, he never really followed on the promise of Dallas Byers Club.
[637] He wins an Academy Award.
[638] Was that Kermin?
[639] After that, what was that?
[640] What else did he do?
[641] After Dallas Byers, what did he do?
[642] He really hasn't done much.
[643] True Detective was a good.
[644] Okay, one season.
[645] After that, hasn't done much.
[646] Yeah.
[647] I want to stop everything.
[648] that we're doing here and congratulated me for doing what is officially and historically the single worst Matthew McConaughey anyone has ever done.
[649] You mentioned Paul Thomas Anderson.
[650] I couldn't believe the other day when I learned that he made boogie nights when he was 26 years old.
[651] That doesn't, I don't even understand.
[652] Like, I don't understand how that's possible.
[653] In the history of film prodigy, what compares to that?
[654] Orson Wells is 25 when he made Citizen Kane and Citizen Kane, while they're the greatest me of all time.
[655] And much like P .T. Anderson, you know, Wells is a realuteur in that he was writing it, directing, and producing it, starring in it.
[656] Pete Anderson wasn't starring in it.
[657] Spike Lee, of course, is able to do all four of those.
[658] You know, he did that, but she's got to have it, do the right thing.
[659] I don't think he was, may have just turned 30.
[660] So there's not many examples of guys that can do what PTA has done.
[661] And he's one of my favorite filmmakers, again, talk with a guy who always has a real signature and a voice.
[662] And Boogie Nights is an iconic movie.
[663] It's obviously a little filthy.
[664] not for all tastes, but memorable stories about how Bert Reynolds just hated him, because he's like, who is this kid telling me what to do?
[665] But Pete T. Anderson was very cocksure.
[666] You see, he learned so much about movies, not only from his dad, who was in entertainment, but also from watching DVDs and DVD, like me. That's what we used to do.
[667] You'd watch a movie.
[668] You'd watch the DVD, then he'd listen to the director commentary and pick up tricks and ideas.
[669] So, Bert Rale has famously hated P .T. Anderson on that set, but he made so many great friends who had continued to work with, obviously, Philip Seymour Hop, and John C. Rally and many more.
[670] You're talking about like acting, directing, writing.
[671] That's what Bradley Cooper, like, thinks he's doing, but it hasn't worked out for him, right?
[672] That's well said.
[673] Yeah, he definitely wishes that he could be of that ilk, Jessica.
[674] And listen, he has talent.
[675] But the fact that Meister was thought to be this, like, you know, generational film.
[676] And it kind of, for me, came in Flickered.
[677] It certainly had some moments, but I don't remember people.
[678] If you want to go back to Star Power, I don't remember people water cooler conversations.
[679] Like, hey, you see Meistro last night?
[680] I don't.
[681] That's what he'd love to do, but he's not that guy, unfortunately.
[682] Adnan, before we get.
[683] out of here.
[684] Last question because I imagine you've taken some inventory of something that we talked about a little bit earlier in the movies.
[685] If I made you come up with the greatest examples that you have of actors doing athletic things incredibly poorly in the movies where you're asking a baseball player.
[686] I was thinking of John C. Riley as the catcher and for the love of the game, I will always remember him trying to catch a foul ball and looking like he had never worn a glove or catchers.
[687] equipment.
[688] When you think of the worst sports acting that's been done in the movies, the least believable sports acting, what are the examples you cite?
[689] Well, it's funny.
[690] It's not least believable sports acting specifically, but our friend Tim Kirchon always talks about the natural how offended he is.
[691] Again, I have to look this up.
[692] I believe the team that is winning, it's like I think that the shot that Roy Hobbs hits is like in the top of the 10th or something.
[693] Like it's something so ridiculous to any baseball fan and go, well, you can't walk off a game in the top anything.
[694] Whatever it is specifically, I'll get Timmy on it.
[695] But as far as guys who look like poor athletes, I mean, it's hard because generally I just think of the guys who are good athletes like Kevin Costner and those guys that can actually do it.
[696] But I mean, I remember an eight men out, which is a movie that I love and our buddy Boochambi loves as well.
[697] I remember watching it going, these guys are throwing like 35 miles per hour.
[698] Like Charlie Sheen is a legit athlete.
[699] He can throw the ball 80 miles an hour.
[700] The rest of these guys are like, of course the Black Stocks were throwing the ball like meatballs.
[701] That's a tough comparison because you've got good young actors like John Cusack, et cetera.
[702] But even the movies that do baseball well, it's still tough to do it to replicate it like the majors.
[703] So it doesn't appall you.
[704] It's not something that you have ready list at the top of your head of like, this is absurd.
[705] This has ruined this movie for me, how absurd this is.
[706] I got one.
[707] I mean, Mystery Alaska, maybe Russell Crowe playing hockey is a bit of a tough one.
[708] I think Roy can back me up on that.
[709] Yeah, yeah.
[710] It didn't look great in that movie.
[711] But I also have one since the means we're in that jersey.
[712] Danny McBride.
[713] He was not a very good.
[714] He's going to doubt.
[715] He wasn't here.
[716] That's where the whole conversation started.
[717] Yes, Roy.
[718] That is exactly where it is that we got all.
[719] Full circle.
[720] Yes, we've come full circle.
[721] Adnan, thank you for being on with us.
[722] We appreciate it, sir.
[723] Dan, as I texted you, and I want everyone to know, that was a profound conversation did with Ted dancing.
[724] People should listen to South Beach sessions, and I still applaud a mean.
[725] The one time he rode with Ted Dancinzer on a plane.
[726] He brought up the Kirby enthusiasm, which Ted appreciated.
[727] But you guys should all listen to it, man. It was a great interview.
[728] Great job.
[729] Stugats here for my friend.
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