#1301 - Laird Hamilton

[0] And we're live.

[1] How are you, sir?

[2] What's going on, man?

[3] Very well, thank you.

[4] First of all, thank you very much for the coffee machine.

[5] I just learned that it's turmeric.

[6] I used to say turmeric.

[7] I used to not even think there was an R in there for some strange reason.

[8] Well, in Hawaii, it's Olena, so it just depends on which country you're in, yeah.

[9] It's a root, right?

[10] Yeah, it's in the ginger family.

[11] And is it, why they call it Olena?

[12] Is that a Polynesian name?

[13] I mean, the Indians probably have another, you know, in India, it's probably one of the most used.

[14] you know or roots they it's in every air all indian foods it's full of it yeah it's really healthy for you right it's great for inflammation yeah and well gut health too hmm so you uh gave me this layered superfoods coffee machine and i'm addicted to this now this coffee with turmeric i've never had it before well there's some other minerals and stuff in there too so if you're addicted to it it's because there's things that are good for you yeah like i crave it yeah like it seems like something.

[15] Well, your body wants it.

[16] Yeah.

[17] You know, I think sometimes people think cravings are based on negative, like, oh, I just, it's bad because I crave it.

[18] But I think cravings are natural.

[19] I think it, but it's, you know, we abuse it when we use garbage.

[20] But when you're craving something like that, I mean, there's, you know, a bunch of minerals and a bunch of good fats and there's a bunch of good stuff in there.

[21] Yeah, it's hard to tell, though, right?

[22] Like, sometimes you crave sugar.

[23] Sometimes you crave ice cream.

[24] Yeah.

[25] There's some cravings that are not good.

[26] Exactly.

[27] other ones are exactly but the system of craving i believe what is part of a natural human thing that we have that was meant to crave good things but we abuse it with because sugar in nature is meant to be safe that means it's safe to eat right right right so so yeah so then we so but then we abuse it by disguising a bunch of garbage with sugar and then people think oh that's great to eat that makes sense yeah because whenever i lift weights i crave protein yeah i crave like fish or chicken or steak or something yeah well you're yeah you're beating up muscles you want protein yeah but it's an instantaneous craving yeah like it's like right away i'm like oh i gotta eat something yeah um so you've got me cranking the sauna up uh your wife told me do you crank yours up to 220 degrees is that real that's real god damn man i get to 210 and i'm like this is how long do you do it 220 well it depends on how how cold you go into it oh so if you're if your body if your core temperature's weighed down, you can, you know, if you got off a stationary bike and your core was nice and hot and you went in there, you know, you'd be lucky to get 10 or 15 minutes out.

[28] If you come out of a ice tub or you've been outside with minimal clothing, you could go in there and for 20 minutes at 220.

[29] So it just depends on, you know, where your, what your core, you know, where your core is.

[30] Is that how you do it?

[31] You do from an ice path?

[32] I will do it from an ice path.

[33] I think you just break it up.

[34] It's just like anything, any kind of training.

[35] You just want to constantly stress the system.

[36] And if you're used to a certain pattern, you know, go into it hot.

[37] Like if you go into a sauna hot coming off of some cardio, it's twice as hot.

[38] If you go in cold, then you can go for a longer period of time.

[39] And same with the ice.

[40] I mean, if you go into the ice cold, the ice will tap you.

[41] If you go in hot, you can be there.

[42] Yeah, they're doing some studies now on hot yoga at a Harvard.

[43] They're trying to figure out if hot yoga mimics the positive health effects of sauna.

[44] And so the idea is that, you know, because you're straining and resisting, it feels much hotter than 104 degrees.

[45] If you had a sauna that was 104, 105 degrees, it would be nothing.

[46] For sure.

[47] But yoga at 105 degrees is pretty rough.

[48] Rough.

[49] Well, because, again, core temperature is hot.

[50] So we do some stationary bikes in the sauna.

[51] Oh, wow.

[52] And that, I mean, that's just, it's like you can always up the ante, you know, it's like a weight stack.

[53] You just slap more lead on there.

[54] And we'll do, we'll go in this with an assault bike.

[55] I have an assault bike in one of the saunas and we'll crank that thing up.

[56] And, you know, I mean, and you're lucky for you might be five or ten minutes in your, you're, but I think, you know, we're such good adapters.

[57] You know, our adaptation is amazing.

[58] And you do some stuff for a while.

[59] I think you do it pretty soon.

[60] You're like, oh, I can handle, you know, an assault bike at a, at a survivable pace, you know.

[61] Yeah, survivable.

[62] That's a rough machine.

[63] Rough machine.

[64] I have the rogue version, the echo bike.

[65] That thing is fantastic.

[66] I love it.

[67] For sure.

[68] Well, it's all four limbs.

[69] Yeah, all four limbs.

[70] It's one of my all -time, two tabatas.

[71] I do tabata sprints on it.

[72] My all -time favorite method of cardio.

[73] For sure.

[74] For sure.

[75] Well, low impact on the system.

[76] You're not beating every, the joints up.

[77] All four things are working.

[78] And you could throw in some nose breathing in there or something and breath holding intervals or something just to, you know, just pain and suffering.

[79] You were explaining nose breathing.

[80] to me out there.

[81] How nose breathing is better?

[82] Better for you.

[83] Because of...

[84] Well, first of all, you were designed to breathe.

[85] Your sinuses and your nose were designed for breathing.

[86] And so you actually admit a gas in your sinuses.

[87] From my understanding, a gas called nitric oxide, which is a vasodilator, it helps you absorb oxygen.

[88] So by breathing through your nose, plus you reduce the amount of intake that you have, and that gets you CO2 tolerant.

[89] So all of a sudden, you're breathing less voluilator.

[90] I mean, you know from the fight game, as soon as a guy goes to mouth breathing, you're like, he's toast.

[91] You know that, right?

[92] That's your first giveaway.

[93] So your ability to deal with stress and breathe through your nose.

[94] I mean, everybody should be breathing through their nose in their sleep, walking around.

[95] I mean, somehow we became mouth breathers in the last 200 years, and they're not sure why.

[96] There's a great book called The Oxygen Advantage by Patrick McDougal that he actually is on our board of XPT, But he, you know, kind of realized that our issues really stem from mouth breathing, chronic mouth breathing, which is scrubbing our CO2 and keeping our CO2 levels down, which is the marker to absorb oxygen.

[97] So when your CO2 levels are down, you don't absorb the oxygen from your bloodstream.

[98] The cells don't take it as soon as the CO2 goes up, then the body starts to pull it out of the blood.

[99] Interesting.

[100] So smaller amounts by breathing through the nose actually makes you absorb more oxygen.

[101] Well, keeps your tolerance.

[102] Keep your tolerance.

[103] Yeah, but definitely get your CO2 tolerant up, but the smaller volume helps your body become more tolerant of higher levels of CO2.

[104] But the no, the sinuses themselves emit a gas that helps the lung absorb the oxygen is, and that's, you know, that's what I've been led to understand.

[105] I had a broken nose until I was 40.

[106] My nose was useless.

[107] I couldn't get anything out of it.

[108] It had been broken, like, who knows how many times.

[109] Yeah.

[110] And it was all, the inside was all caked up with scar tissue and calcified.

[111] And when I got it fixed, it was like the world changed.

[112] It was like, ah, I couldn't do that.

[113] I just couldn't breathe out of my nose.

[114] I would go to yoga class.

[115] He'd tell me to breathe out of my nose.

[116] I'm like, I don't have one.

[117] I could smell farts.

[118] Yeah.

[119] That's it.

[120] I could smell gas and gasoline.

[121] Like, it has to be rough for me to smell it.

[122] But now I have a real nose.

[123] Yeah.

[124] I always encourage people, if you have a broken nose, please get that deviated symptom fixed.

[125] Well, you know, it's surprising.

[126] If you start to nose breathe, even if you have struggle because of the, that gas helps you open up a lot of people i mean you know i'm not saying that you have that but a lot of people actually will gain volume after a few weeks of forcing themselves in nose breathe they'll actually start to open up all of that that system that makes sense so it's your body just adapt and try it forces it to open but yeah no it's all about nose breathing wow i didn't think i just thought it was just more difficult so it's probably a good thing to do for discipline absolutely and if you can do your cardio and retain a nose breath, you have another gear.

[127] Because then when you go to mouth, it's like you got a, it's like having a, you know, a blower in your car or something.

[128] You open up the, you know, you open up the air.

[129] Yeah.

[130] And it's a whole new game.

[131] So by being able to sustain a high output with nose breathing, then, and like I said, it's all about the tolerance for CO2.

[132] It's how much CO2 you can handle in your system, you know, like that's why altitude screws people up.

[133] Because the CO2 jacks up and they don't have a tolerance.

[134] And then you get all wonky.

[135] and you feel like crap.

[136] Yeah, and it's interesting you're talking about cravings because one of the things that I've noticed since I've been, I cranked up the temperature in the sauna for the first week to 200 degrees and I've been doing 210 for the last few days.

[137] And you crave it now.

[138] I crave it.

[139] Like when I'm at home, I'm like, I can't wait to get back on that goddamn song again.

[140] Meanwhile, when I'm in there, I can't wait to get out.

[141] It's weird.

[142] There within lies the struggle.

[143] Yeah.

[144] I mean, the ice is the same way.

[145] Like I have an addiction to ice.

[146] and I've, you know, recently I've been, just came back from Hawaii and I'm like dealing with this ice machines broken down.

[147] I'm waiting for the new one.

[148] I keep calling the guy and go, hey, when are you going to put the thing in?

[149] And he's thinking it's like a luxury like, yeah, you're going to know, you got to, what do you need an ice machine at your house for?

[150] I mean, because I have a two like restaurant size ones.

[151] Two of them?

[152] Yeah.

[153] And, well, I have a lot of friends.

[154] But, but he's like, what do you need that for?

[155] And I'm like, I like, just get, you know, he's got the tubs.

[156] I'm like, I need, but my body craves.

[157] You get it.

[158] Listen, your body is.

[159] It's just craving the things that are bringing the hormones and doing it.

[160] I mean, it's like why you crave exercise.

[161] You know, I have a theory that the reason why people are hooked to cardio activity is because it's forced breathing, that people, because you wouldn't willingly just sit on your floor and breathe heavy for an hour.

[162] So your body's like, okay, let's go for a run.

[163] Like, let's go, you need to run.

[164] You better run.

[165] And then you go run, and then the body gets that absorption of, gets that oxygen than it really wants.

[166] I feel like there's probably several factors because also I feel like.

[167] Like when I'm really consistent with my workouts, I know that I'm gaining momentum.

[168] And I know like, ah, you know, I'm consistent.

[169] Everything's going great.

[170] I'm in great shape right now.

[171] I've got to keep pushing this.

[172] Yeah.

[173] That feels like it feels like just positive results are being achieved.

[174] And you sort of get addicted to success.

[175] Well, but also, too, the body, the adaptation, if you ever put yourself under some real severe stress in multiple days, the first day you feel like you're not going to be able to make it.

[176] The second day you're feeling, you know, like you can't really can't make it.

[177] at the third pretty soon the fourth day the body's like oh this is the new house we're living in like this is where we're at okay well we're going to adapt and modify and then pretty soon you're doing even more you're than you were doing the first couple days and you're not even feeling it yeah and so it's like we're we're an amazing an amazing machine you know we're an amazing creature just the way we can handle the load and especially in this in our new world where we you know don't have to do much yeah yeah unless we want to Um, do you know who Eddie is or it is?

[178] Yeah.

[179] The comedian.

[180] He ran a series of marathons all around the UK and he did one in South Africa.

[181] And he was on two weeks ago and he was telling me that when you first started doing it, like the first few were really hard.

[182] But then your body's like, well, this is what we do.

[183] We run marathons.

[184] And then like day three, day four, things started picking up, day five.

[185] And by the time day 10 came along, he's just running.

[186] For sure.

[187] Yeah.

[188] For sure.

[189] I got a friend ran 125 in a row.

[190] And then he ran the Boston after that.

[191] And then he had a fight in Vegas, and he ran a marathon in the morning, and then he, like, knocked the guy out in the third round and after.

[192] I mean, he's this...

[193] He ran a marathon in the morning and then fought that day?

[194] Holy shit.

[195] That's a cool.

[196] Who is this?

[197] Tom Jones, yeah, Moitai.

[198] Seven -time Moytai world champion.

[199] Jesus Christ, Tom Jones.

[200] Yeah.

[201] What the fuck, man?

[202] You run a marathon the day you fight?

[203] Imagine if a dude knocked you out after you ran a marathon.

[204] I'd be like, I'm done.

[205] This is not me. Yeah.

[206] I'm going to learn how to play golf.

[207] Yeah.

[208] Fuck this.

[209] Yeah, moitai.

[210] Fuck this.

[211] Fuck this.

[212] Fuck that I would say.

[213] That's crazy.

[214] So he ran 125 marathons in a row.

[215] So 125 days of marathons?

[216] To Boston.

[217] And then he ran the Boston when he got there.

[218] He ran across the country.

[219] What?

[220] He ran across the country.

[221] So that's how he got there?

[222] Yeah.

[223] Well, so he ran a marathon, took a nap, got eats of food, ran a marathon, took a nap, what the fuck?

[224] But it just shows you that, You know, that ability to adapt and what we can, you know, what we can do.

[225] It's amazing how the body will just, when you push it and you keep, it'll just be like, it'll ramp.

[226] I mean, and I think for us in this, in our new world that we live in, that seems so crazy.

[227] But probably in the past, we were like, oh, yeah, well, we went all the way down to South America and we did some hunting down there.

[228] And then we, you know, trekked a marathon or two per day.

[229] And we came all the way back to Alaska, you know, like.

[230] Right.

[231] you know like that was just our life yeah well especially when they used to persistence hunt you know when they would just run an animal down yeah animals yeah are great for sprints yeah especially like gazelles and things along those lines but you know what the you know what the real technique really is based on is that our breathing that breathing is what gives us we have an ability to adjust our breath so we can actually adjust how many times we breathe per motion where a lot of these animals are breathing for a rep every rep is a breath so Every step is, and we can do multiple steps in one breath.

[232] And so that's why we can outrun a horse.

[233] At the end of the day, you always see in the cowboy movies, the horses laying dead in the desert, and the guy's still going along, but because those mammals are breathing every breath is a rep. And you imagine how tiring that is.

[234] Like you hear a horse run, right?

[235] They're breathing every, and we're running full speed, but we can just do a breath and then do five or six or eight.

[236] and that gives us that endurance.

[237] That's why we can run those gazelles down because those guys are just breathed their breathed out.

[238] That's interesting.

[239] Well, I'm always very appreciative of guys like you that are in my age range.

[240] You're 55, right?

[241] Speed limit.

[242] Speed limit.

[243] But you're also very fit and very active and you keep going, whereas a lot of guys around 55, like it's a wrap.

[244] Turn off the car.

[245] Yeah.

[246] There's not much in the tank.

[247] I like to see guys that are in my age bracket are a little bit ahead of me like, oh, he's going.

[248] I can keep going too.

[249] Full speed.

[250] And I think a lot of that is just thinking and knowing that you can because I think so many people feel like, hey, I'm 45.

[251] It's time to settle down.

[252] It's time to relax and wind down this exercise, you know?

[253] But I think people use that a disclaimer to not do the work.

[254] It's like now I'm 45, so now I don't, I'm too old.

[255] Yeah, right?

[256] That just, that's, for me, I think that's a way out, right?

[257] That's a way to go, hey, I don't want to do the work anymore.

[258] And, you know, I have my, one of my best friends just passed this last year and he was 85 when he passed.

[259] And, and he was crazy.

[260] I mean, he did the Iron Man 10 times.

[261] The first time was when he was 50.

[262] And then he's done the race across America three times.

[263] I mean, he does just, he was just an animal, bang iron every day, ride the bike, just, just, just a 85.

[264] He was doing all that still?

[265] An animal.

[266] An animal until the day he died.

[267] I was like, and his name was, and the irony was, his name was Dawn Wild Man. And so, like, that's his given name.

[268] No, I'm serious.

[269] That's amazing.

[270] His given name.

[271] I go, anybody named the Wild Man's got to keep it up.

[272] But he was, you know, like you're talking about when you can see it, right?

[273] When you go, what does it look like when I see?

[274] I mean, you look at, it's interesting to see in sports right now.

[275] We have a lot of athletes right now that are operating as they're the oldest that, you know, that we've seen.

[276] And I believe a lot of it has to do with the fact that, you know, that they have some examples, but they're also not accepting that, hey, now you're too old.

[277] Like that's because that's a decision.

[278] Like, hey, oh, now you're too old.

[279] Oh, yeah, you know, you're going to keep doing that.

[280] It's like, yeah, you're going to do it all the way until they throw the dirt on the box.

[281] You know, like we're going all the way full speed until we're not.

[282] And then when we're not, we're not.

[283] What did Mr. Wildman die of?

[284] uh it was eventually it was a cancer that he couldn't get uh fight through chemo and so but but it but it was within like couple weeks like he just was like shut it down um he was at one point he was like the he was a little bit like the ever ready bunny and and humpty dumpty like he would just like double knee surgery like within like he had a broken leg and he'd be on a stationary bike with a crutch on one of the pedals and he'd be pedaling and crutching on the other leg i mean he was just absolutely out of his mind.

[285] And the doctors would be like, oh, you're healing faster than a 30 -year -old.

[286] And I'm like, yeah, well, he's because he's just a cardio monster.

[287] And so he's getting that blood flow.

[288] And we were helicopter snowboarding in Chile this last summer, not this one, but the one before.

[289] And I was with the, I'm with the guide.

[290] And the guy goes, hey, you know, how old is your buddy?

[291] And I'm like, he's 84.

[292] And he looked at me and he's like, yeah, no, I know, I mean, but how old is he?

[293] and I'm like, he's 84.

[294] And he's like, yeah, he's 84.

[295] Like, check it out, buddy.

[296] He's going faky and like, I mean, he's, you know, he was, but he was our, you know, he was our poster child.

[297] He's our guy.

[298] We look at it.

[299] We go, I mean, and I've had a few of those, I think, you know, that I've been exposed to in my life where there's guys that just, those are the guys that I always admired.

[300] I always admired the guys that just were always going full speed and never, never, you know, They didn't succumb to all that, all that pressure from society like, hey, you're old now.

[301] You can still do that?

[302] What do you think you're a kid?

[303] Just all the bullshit that you can feed into and be a victim of.

[304] Yeah, we have these preconceived notions of what it's like to be 30, what it's like to be 50, what it's like to be 85.

[305] And some people are like, yeah, you can fuck that.

[306] I'm not interested.

[307] Yeah, because they're never looking at age as some, like, feeling.

[308] Like they're like, they're never going, oh, 35, you feel like this at 40.

[309] Oh, you're slowing down now.

[310] You know, and like, you just, you lay down.

[311] It's like, you know, I always say if people stop doing something, like they go, oh, I'm going to retire now.

[312] I'm getting old in the sport.

[313] It's really not that they're getting old.

[314] It's just that they've made a decision that they don't want to do anymore.

[315] And they just use the age as like a disclaimer like, hey, I'm good, you know?

[316] Yeah, for some folks, I think it's a mental tiredness.

[317] For sure.

[318] Keeping up their enthusiasm is probably the difficult thing.

[319] And that's why I think a lot of people look forward to retirement, right?

[320] They look forward to those golden years where they just holding hands and walking towards the sunset.

[321] Just jump on a sword.

[322] I mean, no, I'm just like at that point, you're just, then you're just alive, dead.

[323] Yeah.

[324] You know, you're just, you're dead, but you're alive.

[325] But I think some people look forward to some day where they don't have to struggle.

[326] Then they can't be on earth.

[327] Yeah.

[328] You can't be.

[329] You can't.

[330] I'm sorry, I'm sorry, the system is a little bit designed to struggle.

[331] Everything that we do that's good for us has a certain amount of stress.

[332] It's like, you want to get that sauna, you want to get on that salt bike, you want to jump in that ring, you want to hike that mountain.

[333] It's all stress driven.

[334] And the fact is, that's our universe.

[335] That's the universe we live in.

[336] And so if you got some other, you know, and I appreciate, let's hack our way through it.

[337] And I think there's ways that hacking supports us.

[338] We can hack our way to, but only support the things.

[339] that we're doing.

[340] But thinking that you can just hack your way through and not actually suffer, it's impossible.

[341] You just, you've got to suffer.

[342] I also think you don't appreciate the good terms unless you suffer.

[343] Absolutely.

[344] Absolutely.

[345] I think I appreciate food more when I work out.

[346] I appreciate life more.

[347] I like doing things more when I struggle.

[348] Absolutely.

[349] I can tell you, I know sitting down is an incredible thing.

[350] Like when you go, wow, this feels so good.

[351] I guess to sit out.

[352] Yeah, because you're straining so hard.

[353] Yeah.

[354] For sure.

[355] But a lot of people don't recognize that.

[356] That's a lesson I think people really need to get drilled into their head.

[357] It's not that tricky.

[358] Right.

[359] No, I'm saying this isn't rocket science.

[360] This isn't like elaborate.

[361] It's available for everybody.

[362] Just move.

[363] Yeah, just move.

[364] Just keep going.

[365] Drive it hard.

[366] Yeah.

[367] And I can promise you, you'll, you'll sleep better.

[368] Like everybody, we have a lot of sleeping issues right now.

[369] And I'm just like, well, people aren't tired enough.

[370] Yeah, my daughter was like, oh, yeah, you know, having a hard time sleeping.

[371] And now she's been banging tennis balls seven hours a day.

[372] And I'll tell you, she's not having a problem sleeping now.

[373] Right, exactly.

[374] She's sleeping real well.

[375] I'm like, yeah.

[376] And, you know, I think that a lot of it's this lack of movement.

[377] We just stop moving.

[378] Yeah.

[379] And then your brain races because your body's not getting exhausted.

[380] So you develop all this anxiety and all this weirdness.

[381] Hunter gatherers did not have the need for Ambien.

[382] I guarantee it.

[383] Yeah.

[384] There was the other day it is.

[385] There was no melatonin.

[386] Yeah, the melatonin was, was, you know, created in their retina from staring at the sun in the early morning light.

[387] I mean, they were up, they were moving, and they were up early, and they were, and they were going until dark, and at dark, it was time to lay down, and then you just did that, and you were not, sleep issues weren't a problem back then.

[388] It's interesting.

[389] I'm learning from my dog, because my dog is up first thing in the morning when the sun is up, and then when it starts getting dark out, once he eats, man, he's just, laying down.

[390] He's like, what's up?

[391] I'm just chilling over here.

[392] Oh, yeah.

[393] Well, and I'm, constantly studying my dog.

[394] I would have brought him, but he's getting his nails done today.

[395] Is it really?

[396] Yeah.

[397] Yeah, well, because he's just ripping up the floor.

[398] He's got some hooks, but I watch him never leaves his bed without stretching first in the morning, first, saying up dog, down, full up, down dog, and then full speed, 80 miles an hour, like a little rocket, and then just right to the couch and lay down.

[399] And then just be totally sleeping, and then just up, full speed, back to the couch and lay down.

[400] I got, I go, there's something to be said about that thing, a little stretch, full speed, lay down, full speed, lay down.

[401] But no warm up, no warm up, no warm up, but people need warm up.

[402] Do you agree?

[403] I don't know if I, I don't know.

[404] I don't know about warm up.

[405] I think warm up is being alive.

[406] I think, you know, I mean, I, we never warmed up.

[407] What's that?

[408] What about if you're going to lift something heavy?

[409] Do you think that you should warm the muscles up first?

[410] Well, I think if you set the thing up and you put everything on and you set it all up, you're already starting to warm up.

[411] And if you're psyching up and getting your brain ready to do something aggressive, I think that you've already, the adrenaline's already going and you got a lot of stuff.

[412] I mean, if you just get up off a chair and walk over and try to grab a giant bar with a bunch of weight on it and lift it, that might be a problem.

[413] But that wouldn't be, you would never do that in nature when you were going to lift something heavy.

[414] it usually there'd be some lead up to it, whether you walk to the place that you were going to and you've got the thing and, you know, I mean, you know, I don't know, I don't know about, because I think there's mixed opinions about, you know, oh, people say don't stretch before you work out.

[415] And that's been the most recent thing.

[416] Before it used to be, oh, yeah, loosen up before you work out.

[417] And I'm like, I mean, my dog does down dog, you know, up dog down dog, and that's only after he's laying down.

[418] And then he just goes full speed.

[419] I mean.

[420] Well, I know that if I do Muay, if I'm hitting the bag or something, something like that I don't go hard at first yeah break a sweat yeah I do the first two rounds I'm just shadow boxing yeah I'm just put I mean I don't fully full blast the bag until I'm sweaty yeah but that's just my thoughts I mean I just I feel like that's the way you're supposed to do that's what I've always been told yeah what I mean I think that I think I would connect that more to part of is because of what we are now mm -hmm because we're sedentary and because they're yeah we're not we're not what we you know we are fully in our in our nature essence we're not we're not wild you know if we were wild I think we wouldn't need as much any warm up we when you're wild you don't need a warm up but I think because we're not moving as much because if you're moving all the time you'd already be warmed up there would like to see a human from like 5 ,000 years ago I'd love to be around like a hunter gather and see what they looked like their pain threshold was crazy first of all they're what they could endure you know their pain threshold was just ridiculous like broken bones and be like we'd still be operating with broken stuff no problem yeah what did they do they just kind of like tied it up or something i mean i don't know what that that was that was when they advanced into medical right yeah right a lot of them probably just hobbled around until it didn't hurt as much well that's where inflammation came in everything got inflamed so they would hold it you know naturally the body would hold it in position so that you i mean inflammation's designed to kind of immobilize it cast it would you know if it was your ankle it would just get so swollen it couldn't move but they'd still be on it they'd still be rolling it just they wouldn't be moving it around because the body would naturally do that the future of humans does not look so rosy when you really think about how we're slowly deteriorating becoming these gelatinous balls of meat and tissue and the bodies are connected to the brains and so that's why we have some mind issues too because at the end of the the bodies aren't functioning correctly so it's not feeding the brain correctly and so the brain that's why we i mean i think that when you're really physically well then your thoughts are physically well i think it's definitely it definitely helps but people do not like to hear that do you notice that yeah absolutely you don't even like you like you seem like a happy guy you don't i don't think you're on any medication or you aren't but some people who are yeah want to think like no no i have a medical problem and I need this.

[421] Even if they don't exercise, they go, no, no, no, you don't understand.

[422] And then if I say, okay, but do you ever exercise, they get mad at you?

[423] Absolutely.

[424] They get mad.

[425] Absolutely.

[426] You're suggesting I'm lazy.

[427] You're suggesting I brought this upon myself because of my behavior.

[428] No, I have a disease.

[429] Yeah.

[430] No, again, I think that's a disclaimer.

[431] That's a way out to not have to take, be accountable.

[432] Be accountable.

[433] Like, hey that if I was out doing moving and doing things that it would actually make this go away you know I mean I I think that you know I think a lot of a lot of depression is connected to that you know I believe icing could cure a big portion of depression just because of the hormonal response to the system and that you know it I mean normally when people are depressed is connected to some sort of hormone imbalance yeah and to have a doctor try to figure out what that is, it's pretty elaborate.

[434] It's pretty tricky.

[435] Well, they've shown in studies that regular exercise is as effective at SSRIs.

[436] Or more.

[437] Exactly.

[438] Yeah.

[439] Exactly.

[440] I think also diet because of inflammation.

[441] Like, inflammation for sure leads to all sorts of different ailments, which could lead to a depressed feeling, a feeling of unwellness.

[442] Well, just eat a bunch of garbage for a week and see how you feel.

[443] Yeah.

[444] I'd be depressed.

[445] Or just drink some layer of superfood.

[446] turmeric coffee.

[447] Stuff's the shit, man. So the sauna thing, what is the benefit of getting it that hot?

[448] Well, I mean, I don't know.

[449] Listen, honestly, my problem is, is that, you know, if a lot is good, then even more is better.

[450] That's a little bit.

[451] That's my mentality, right?

[452] We're both stupid.

[453] No, I'm just saying, like, you know, if 10's good, then 20 is got to be even better.

[454] But, you know, I think part of it is the natural.

[455] evolution.

[456] If you're sitting there doing time at, you know, 180 degrees and you can go in there and you're, you know, you're hanging out.

[457] And then just 20 minutes, it's 30 minutes, you might as well just try to turn it up.

[458] And my understanding is that the Europeans, I mean, you know, you look at a sweat lodge and you, I mean, it ain't 180.

[459] You know, if you go into any kind of sweatlodge, if you go to Europe, all the saunas are much hotter.

[460] Like, it's like you go into a Russian, you know, steam thing it's not like those things are you know i i think that they're pretty conservative with it i think i think you just listen to your body if you go in there and you start hallucinating you might want to step out you know you might be like hey you know uh maybe i eat something wrong or maybe i need to just give my body a break but i think you just use your you know use your your your own feeling uh as as your as your guide and and you know i know that i if i if i'm properly hydrated before I go, my tolerance is substantially greater.

[461] Like, I can really measure it.

[462] I can be hydrated, go in and be like, oh, yeah, no problem.

[463] And I can go in dehydrated and feel wonky and be like, yeah, I'm not as good.

[464] Yeah, it makes sense.

[465] Yeah.

[466] I definitely have adapted.

[467] I've definitely adapted to 200 degrees because when I go to yoga now, it does not seem nearly as hot.

[468] 105 degrees, even at the end of the class, I'm like, this is interesting.

[469] I was thinking at the last class was like, this doesn't feel that bad.

[470] Exactly.

[471] Yeah.

[472] Well, that shows you right there.

[473] you're adapting and then all of a sudden your tolerance you know a thing i really like about the sauna is i think it really plays into into overheating as an athlete that over you know you're overheat and that's usually when you have issues right yeah as you overheat and then you and then you your performances is encumbered right you just and so the more your tolerance is for the heat the less the more you can handle overheating pretty soon you don't overheat and then you just don't have that because that that's one of the factors it gets an athlete I think is in any performance is you overheat if whether you're fighting or marathon running or basketball any any sport when you start to overheat you're that's usually when you're you're toast you're done you start losing your motor skills and you're tall if you can build that tolerance up and I think like you said hey if you go in 200 and 220 and then all of a sudden you're at yoga you know you're at hot yoga and it's 105 and you're just like, you know, camping out.

[474] It really does make a giant difference.

[475] It does.

[476] I've only been doing it at 200 for a couple months now.

[477] Yeah.

[478] Really, and 210, like for, like I said, the last few days.

[479] Yeah.

[480] But you have been doing it this hot for how long?

[481] Well, I've been doing it for a while.

[482] Like I've been doing it.

[483] It's been over the last couple years.

[484] You know, I did one, I did a protocol that I heard on Dr. Ronda Patrick's show.

[485] And it was holding a one hour, a one hour straight.

[486] at somewhere between 170 to 180.

[487] Whoa.

[488] So that's another, and if you do that 10 days in a row, I was doing it twice a day for 10 days in a row, and you're supposed to get like some 1 ,600 % hormonal boost, like your whole body just goes into this radical hormone boost.

[489] So 170 to 180, somewhere in that range?

[490] Yeah.

[491] Interesting.

[492] 171, 1 hour straight.

[493] I was doing that, and I did it twice a day for 10 days in a row.

[494] And at the end of that, you got a different gear.

[495] It's like all of a sudden you got OD in your gearbox.

[496] Interesting.

[497] Well, it definitely increases the red blood cell count, correct?

[498] Absolutely.

[499] Yeah.

[500] I mean, I don't know all the science.

[501] I just usually go off of, you know, I usually go off of instinct.

[502] And then sometimes it gets validated by science.

[503] And so at the end, you know, I mean, I think.

[504] And there really isn't any studies on it.

[505] But I truly believe that that heat is better after performance for recovery than ice.

[506] I mean, I think ice is comfortable.

[507] I had my – I had a whole thing about pain, a relationship with pain.

[508] And I was doing a thing with – I had a hip replacement.

[509] And I was set up to do all this icing before.

[510] And then I learned that icing suppressed the heat.

[511] healing hormone, IGF1, there's a healing hormone that helps your body heal.

[512] And pain kicks that hormone off.

[513] That's how the body knows.

[514] So when you suppress pain, you stop that healing.

[515] So you go in ice, you suppress that hormonal release of IGF1, it's the healing hormone, and all of a sudden, it's going to slow your healing down.

[516] So if you do it because it makes you comfortable, like, hey, if you've been, you know, running around and you're overheating and you're going to go an ice tub because it feels good, that's one thing.

[517] But if you think that it's going to benefit you, I'm not sure.

[518] I don't know yet.

[519] I think heat could be the better benefit because you've got heat chalk proteins which deal with damaged cells and all that stuff.

[520] And I'm not listening.

[521] This is just stuff that I hear that I'm feeling.

[522] Full disclaimer.

[523] We're both not talking.

[524] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[525] Well, yeah, Dennis Miller.

[526] This is my opinion.

[527] I could be wrong, of course.

[528] So, you know, but, you know, so that, that, and then they talk about growth hormone, that your body produces growth hormone in the heat, right, as another one of the side effects.

[529] And so, again, from my understanding, and I'm not a doctor.

[530] So when I hear that, I go, well, then heat should be the thing you do.

[531] Because after every game, every football, every basketball player, every athlete goes right to the ice test.

[532] And I go, if you're going there for comfort, okay, cool, that's great.

[533] But if you think that that's actually the thing that's really benefiting, you know, really going to bring you the best recovery, maybe heat's going to bring you the best recovery.

[534] But it's going to be miserable because the last thing you want to do after you finish a workout is go sit in a hot box.

[535] You're just not going to be happy.

[536] But for injuries, though, for injuries, they say you should reduce the inflammation.

[537] But if what you're saying, that's interesting, right?

[538] Well, the more pain, the more, you know, you know the old saying, no pain, no gain, right?

[539] Is that true, though?

[540] No pain, no gain.

[541] No pain, no gain.

[542] I mean, everything's painful.

[543] Like if you go in the heat, it's just comfortable.

[544] You go into a workout.

[545] You get sore.

[546] I mean, no pain, no gain.

[547] So if we go with that old, you know, no pain, no gain, I believe that the pain is associated with the healing because of that hormonal response that pain brings into you.

[548] So I would attribute, like I had a fast recovery, but I attribute some of it is because that I was not suppressing any of the pain.

[549] So I think if you take pain meds, that's suppressing healing.

[550] So if you say, hey, I'm so uncomfortable, I got to pop pain pills to endure this because it's so hard, well then just extend the healing that you're just going to, and the more you suppress the pain, no matter which way you do it, with its ice pain pills whatever it is i believe the longer you extend the healing the more pain you can take i mean inflammation is the marker for that healing hormone so again reduce inflammation i don't know if that's that's again i would like to a doctor and somebody to tell me that really has a study that's that they know that they've really looked at to tell me that that's really working that that the icing i mean if you do it immediately right when you get you know you snap your ankle and you go right in an ice tub bucket and keep it from fully, you know, inflaming, maybe in that instantaneous, but doing it over days and I think that's just pain.

[551] I think that's just comfortable, making more comfortable.

[552] That's interesting because you always see basketball players with ice on their shoulders, ice on their knees, like right after games.

[553] Well, comfort.

[554] Yeah, I was just thinking they have to play so many games in a row, though.

[555] Yeah, but it's also comfort.

[556] Right.

[557] comfort like i mean i think it's because it feels good if your shoulders all jacked up and you numb it you know just like a pain pill would do this is just a topical numbing icing just creating a you know the guy that uh that created rice which is like rest ice compression elevation he came out last year and said i was all wrong so no he did that guy came out last year well then the last two couple years he should feel really bad well everybody's been seeing that forever i'm saying but so he came on and said, you know, that he was, you know, that he, he, he takes it all back.

[558] So, you know, I don't know.

[559] I mean, I just think, I think there's no absolutes.

[560] I don't, I, but I, I'm, I'd be interested.

[561] I've been trying to learn about it.

[562] Like, hey, can you really tell me what really is the best thing?

[563] Or maybe it's heat and ice combo, you know, that, that heat nice combo, you know, that, that heat nice combo, because that does so much flushing to the system, you know, squeeze down, the ice squeezes everything, and then all of a sudden the heat expand.

[564] Yeah.

[565] So you're contraction expansion and that I know that is a you know but that takes energy too that tires you down more than you know than the heat but the heat you do do do ice bath heat ice bath heat back to back yeah I'll do like sometimes I'll take I'll do it on a Sunday I'll do like seven rounds of that stuff you know nine rounds you just get you get you get you get you know you're well that's why we want the intensity right right so the colder it is the shorter you have to be there and the hotter it is, the shorter you have to be there.

[566] Right.

[567] So if you're hanging out, so if you can get it down to 15 minutes and, you know, three to five minutes in, let's say three minutes in the ice and 15 minutes in the, in the sauna, then all of a sudden, you know, let's say 20 minutes around, then you're, you know, then here you go.

[568] You got, you know, two and a half, three hours, you know.

[569] That's why 170 to 180 you do a whole hour versus.

[570] Yeah, but that's a whole different protocol.

[571] That was just a one I heard about and I just tried it.

[572] Part of it is because.

[573] hard to stay in that thing for an hour straight at 170.

[574] I mean, it's, that's not an easy task.

[575] Are you listening to anything in there?

[576] Are you, are you just, just the beat of my heart?

[577] Did you bring anything in the music or anything?

[578] Yeah, I'll listen to music or something like that or or a podcast or get somebody else to suffer with me. Oh, right, right, right.

[579] Just get some, try to, try to that's hard, try to get somebody else.

[580] And maybe they come in for half and then they're back out and then they come in for the other part or something.

[581] When I'm on the road, I try to get comedians to come in the sauna with me at a hotel and it's only like 150 160 and they're like I'm out I'm like you're out you're in here for 15 minutes saying shit it's so easy but it's all what you're it's it's it's in your brain it's in your mind it's it's we're so uh you know comfort domesticated we're so domesticated we're oh it's hot it's cold it's this and you know we're we're we're now is this something that's you or is this the the whole surfing community are they into this kind of stuff?

[582] No, I mean, I, I, I, I, well, you know, what's interesting is, is, because I'm a surfer, obviously, everybody thinks, oh, you know all the surfers and your friends with the surfers.

[583] I really, actually, I'm not.

[584] I really, I'm kind of outside of the community itself.

[585] I have friends at surf, but I'm so not part of, you know, and in my career, I haven't been part of the industry of surfing, and, really, so in a way, I'm, I mean, I have friends that surf that come and do it, and we've definitely, there's been some influence, into, I mean, surfers in general, at least the good ones are, you know, training and, and using these ice heat protocols.

[586] And so they're, you know, they're, you know, they're, they're aware and, and motivated.

[587] But surfing in general is, you know, I mean, I don't even know what half those guys are doing.

[588] Well, I would think that they would be looking to you.

[589] I mean, if I was a young surfer and I'd say, man, I fucking love surfing, I'd like to be doing this one.

[590] I'm 55.

[591] Leonard Hamilton doing?

[592] Yeah, but I don't know, but I think sometimes the, you know, I mean, I think for a lot of, obviously it's changed now, but in the past, I mean, you know, and it happens a lot with the younger people in general.

[593] It's just like, don't tell me what to do.

[594] I can eat whatever I want and do whatever I want.

[595] I don't know.

[596] I can go to Taco Bell and Burger King and still, and stay up all night and still, you know, rip, you know, or do my thing.

[597] And it's true probably in every sport.

[598] And then, and then, you know, You know, I always say there's 1 ,000, you know, 20 -year -olds, and then there's 500, 30 -year -olds, and then there's 250, 40 -year -olds, and then there's like, you know, and then you just go as you go, and there's less and less.

[599] And, you know, I always love that, the term, the victory through attrition, you know, and you're just the last guy.

[600] If you're just the last guy and you're standing, you don't have to be any good.

[601] You just win.

[602] You're like the winner.

[603] You're like the winner.

[604] You're the only guy left.

[605] You know, that kind of thing.

[606] Yeah.

[607] I like that.

[608] So this is just you, you've been following this just to improve your physical.

[609] physical performance just for life absolutely absolutely and and uh you know i i think i really cherish uh feeling good i cherish feeling good like i really enjoy feeling good and so that drives me towards you know wanting and like i said either whether i had paul check years ago uh went and did an assessment with him and he's an interesting guy very yeah and watching his stuff a lot online yeah and uh him and i had an instant connection and and but you know i i love the philosophical approach to certain things like he he said and this had a huge impact on me you know 25 years ago or he was like you know the three white devils are white flour white sugar and white milk and i'm like hmm okay like chocolate milk drink that yeah yeah yeah yeah just put cacao in it but if you put raw cacao and raw milk together that's a powerful drink yeah That's for real.

[610] But if you put dead milk, homogenized, pasteurized, yeah.

[611] Just abused.

[612] And then you take some really bad cacao, if there's any at all in it with a bunch of who knows you can't pronounce it.

[613] You know, he said, if it wasn't here 10 ,000 years ago, don't eat it.

[614] If you can't pronounce it, don't eat it.

[615] And then the three white devils.

[616] I mean, that's a philosophical.

[617] I have a hard time with turmeric, though.

[618] Yeah.

[619] Why?

[620] It's just the word.

[621] Oh, I struggled pronouncing.

[622] Yeah, yeah.

[623] But it was here 10 ,000 years ago, so you're covered.

[624] So I'm fine.

[625] Those are good pieces of advice, though.

[626] Yeah, but just to look at food that way, it's like people go, what's your diet?

[627] I go, plants and animals.

[628] Yeah.

[629] Plants and animals.

[630] Like, what, you know, like, don't make it difficult.

[631] Don't be like, well, I eat this and that.

[632] I think that the stress around that stuff is crazy.

[633] But I really believe that to truly be, to have optimum performance and to be optimum, that you have to be optimum, have the whole every spoke in the tire that you need every single spoke that you have to have a good relations with your family you got to have love and you got to have good things with the kids and you got to have friends and you got to have your health and you got to sleep well and you got to be hydrated and you got to work out and you got and you got and you got to have a you know your business thing and you got to have I think you just have to have all these things to really have balance and I think if you if one of the spokes isn't tight that there's a bump in the wheel and that you're just not going to, I don't truly believe that you're performing at your optimum because you need, your head needs to be clear when you go into your performance, whatever that looks like.

[634] I think that's excellent advice.

[635] I think that makes a lot of sense.

[636] And it definitely keeps your mind clear.

[637] You know, you have your bases covered.

[638] Covered.

[639] You're not just, you're not here, but there, but somewhere else.

[640] I mean, and I know I've dealt with not being having all the spokes good.

[641] And I know that the, how that feels.

[642] And I know when it's good, you're clear.

[643] You're good.

[644] And it's how we're meant to be.

[645] I mean, we're meant to have that be real clean.

[646] We're meant to have that there be some balance.

[647] You've got to have it.

[648] Yeah, that's why I mean, even overworking.

[649] I mean, people think that, you know, they think that's a badge of honor.

[650] Yeah, yeah.

[651] Like, oh, yeah, I work night thing and I don't sleep and do it.

[652] I'm like, yeah, well, then you're compromising yourself.

[653] Yeah.

[654] I told Elon Must that.

[655] Did you?

[656] Yeah.

[657] I went to SpaceX one time and I pulled them aside.

[658] He was standing out and go, hey, you know, you got to take care of this.

[659] put my hand on his chest i just go you gotta take care of this but you got to take care of you what do he say he just yeah i don't know if he understood he's a robot yeah he i don't think he barely a person i'm just saying i don't think he no i just i don't think that with all due respect and yeah but i don't think he understood what i meant i i didn't i felt like you know someone like that if they were really taking good care of themselves getting the right sleep getting in the right food getting a workout all those things imagine right imagine like if they can do what they're doing, you know, burning it on both ends.

[660] Imagine what they could do fully balanced.

[661] Well, I don't think he wants to do any more than what he's doing.

[662] I just think he's so obsessed with getting Tesla to run correctly.

[663] When he was sleeping on the floor of the Tesla factory and working 17 hours a day, I mean, that's an insane person.

[664] I mean, he was just there all day and long trying to make it work.

[665] And obviously, it does work.

[666] They're amazing cars.

[667] It's beneficial this drive that he has, but I agree with you, like for overall enjoyment of life, that's not the way to go about it.

[668] Well, and I think you have a blockage there, though, too.

[669] I think if you can't pull back and look at it from a distance, when you're in it, I think you get too detailed and then you can't, you know, you can't be, I think it could be better because of that.

[670] I think maybe it'd be profitable, you know.

[671] It's hard, man. It's a hard fucking business.

[672] Yeah, I mean, you're, you're competing against, you know, the big boys.

[673] Yeah, right.

[674] But what's interesting is, even though they are doing that, they've managed to, he's managed to make something that's so different than anything else.

[675] Do you have one?

[676] No, I don't.

[677] Fuck, man, they're crazy.

[678] Yeah.

[679] I was reluctant.

[680] I told him I would buy one when he did the podcast.

[681] Yeah.

[682] But I was like, God damn, and I like muscle cars.

[683] I like hearing engines.

[684] But I drove that thing.

[685] I was like, oh, other cars are stupid.

[686] They're all stupid.

[687] They are.

[688] They're archaic compared to that thing.

[689] They are.

[690] And you see all the companies going that way now.

[691] You can see, I mean, we were, because my buddy Wildman and I were into electric stuff, and we went, and there was a guy that had an electric dragster, and we went down with this electric dragster, and it just smoked any top fuel dragster, like, beyond.

[692] But it didn't make noise, so no one wanted to watch it.

[693] So, I mean, and you're like, what happened?

[694] No, no smell, no noise, no flames, you know, no burning gas, no. no pollution yeah no pollution so people were like oh that's not fun so yeah but when you drive a tesla like i have uh the model s the p 100 d i think that's called when you drive it it's effortless like everything just you just go where you want to go like i'd like to be over there it's like a video game like all of a sudden you're over there well you have to get used to it because i've been in them and driven driven them and it's interesting how the body has to acclimate to the acceleration because you're used to that joelting that shifting you know first year, second gear, third gear, all that delay.

[695] Like, it's like AC versus DC.

[696] You know, normal cars are like AC, a little gap between the power.

[697] And when you get that, you know, it's, it's, it's, the body has to get used to the, I'm still not totally okay with not looking where you're going and just flipping it on autopilot, but, you know, I guess that's for the next generation.

[698] Well, that's fun on the highway, but, you know, I look where I'm going.

[699] I keep my hand on the wheel, but it is fun to like shut 10 % of your brain off and just let the car kind of handle the speed.

[700] The one, it does it well.

[701] Does it well.

[702] Does it well?

[703] Well, like I said, I think you need a person who's as obsessed as Elon Musk is to make something like that.

[704] But I agree with you.

[705] If he wants to enjoy his life.

[706] Well, just live longer.

[707] Maybe have more ideas, have more influence.

[708] Like, just be, I am only speaking that way.

[709] I just mean in the way of optimizing him, right?

[710] Optimizing him for because of his, he's so amazing.

[711] Yeah.

[712] That, okay, let's optimize your amazingness by making you, like, be healthier.

[713] Like take care of yourself so you can be around longer and maybe do more great things, right?

[714] So it's, again, you know, I'm just speaking personally about when you try to look at optimization, right?

[715] Like you're here, you only get so long, you know, what are you doing?

[716] And are you really optimizing it by, you know, burn, by taxing the system and not getting all of it, out of it that you, you know.

[717] But I guess in a way it's kind of like unhappiness, you know, people use that as a workout.

[718] So that's a little, that makes you tired and you're getting hungry.

[719] hungry and you know yeah there's always that well it's the choices you make right like sometimes you just get stuck in the momentum of the choice that you made and it's very difficult to like take that pause and go okay am i doing this the right way maybe i need a reset maybe we need to just take some time really consider if this is making me happy and how many years i'm going to be able to do this and sustain it yeah well that's a tricky thing right that's a that's a that's a self self uh you know analyzing yourself and putting that up is I think it's easier just to keep going the direction you're going just caffeinate and takes matter all and keep hitting the gas go full speed how long have you been living in Hawaii uh well my mom took me from san francisco when i was six months old whoa so wow pretty much it was only a technicality what that i wasn't born there which actually worked against me it's because you know when you're not born then when you're not born there then you're not from there.

[720] So they're like, oh, you're not born here.

[721] And you're like, oh, yeah, but I've been here since I was, you know, since I can remember.

[722] So let's just put it that way.

[723] Right.

[724] But my memory actually worked.

[725] They still hold it against you.

[726] The six months that you weren't here.

[727] Oh, yeah.

[728] Oh, yeah.

[729] We missed you, bro.

[730] Six months.

[731] Where were you?

[732] Yeah.

[733] You weren't, you didn't come out of your mother here in this, in the state.

[734] But, but yeah, since I was a little kid, I mean, I, my mom took me, I was born in San Francisco, and she took me when I was a few months old.

[735] I have a theory about people from Hawaii.

[736] There's a groundedness that they, seem to exhibit that is universal it's almost you very rarely find completely frivolous dopey people that live in hawaii they're not i mean i'm sure you find some people that are not that smart but you there's a groundedness there is that so many of them have because they're on a volcano yeah and the ocean and you know it's interesting that you talk about that because yesterday we were having a conversation about what is that right and we have a couple terms one of them is mana, which is the power from the land.

[737] Another one is Aloha, which is kind of a spirit of how people act from Hawaii.

[738] But I believe it has a lot to do with islanders.

[739] I think islanders have that.

[740] And it has a lot to do with it has a lot to do with the ocean, being around the ocean, that the ocean is surrounding you.

[741] And the ocean is the most conductive substance on earth.

[742] So electrically, and there's all this thing.

[743] So you get influenced by this, you know, and I think energetically, the nature is so powerful I think it puts us into a there's a certain kind of humility that you have when you're in that you're next to a volcano that's 14 ,000 foot and you got a 2 ,000 foot waterfall and you got a giant wave I mean this is stuff that kind of goes oh yeah we're just little ants yeah we're just little specs and we don't it's humbling but it's also inspiring and energizing yeah gives you power right the mona the mana yeah I've always wondered what people that live in beach communities are they're so chill like I've wondered is that because of just the humility that you get when you're just looking the ocean.

[744] Well, the blue mind.

[745] Have you ever seen that book?

[746] No. It's called The Blue Mind.

[747] The guy's pretty interesting and he does a study of why we gravitate towards being on the beach, why all the most expensive real estate is beachfront and that something about when we stare at the ocean, they did all these studies where it just totally lights the brain up, that our whole, something about the horizon and about the ocean itself that affects our whole well -being.

[748] And, and, and, and, Part of it we don't even know why, but we're just drawn like why, you know, why is, why are we drawn there?

[749] Why do we, you know, and it has, it has, you know, an effect on our system.

[750] I wonder if that's because we evolved to be close to the water because that's where the bounty is, where you can get fish.

[751] Well, we evolve from the water.

[752] That's true.

[753] That's true.

[754] Do you ever follow that, the whole aquatic ape theory, you ever?

[755] Yeah, I haven't really, you know, I haven't, I haven't.

[756] I haven't really studied that.

[757] I mean, you know, I know that when you're around dolphins and when you're around whales, how, and like, you know, it's interesting today I was in the ocean and I felt something was around and I could feel it.

[758] I just knew something was around.

[759] And then it just five, ten minutes later, big sea lion kind of popped its head up and went, but I could feel before.

[760] But, you know, when you're around those animals that are in the ocean, you definitely feel.

[761] a kindred spirit with them, unlike you do with land animals.

[762] You know, you don't really have them.

[763] I mean, I mean, okay, maybe a wolf or dogs because we were connected with them for 30 ,000 years.

[764] We have that relationship.

[765] You feel something with a dog.

[766] But with sea animals, like I say, when the dolphins come around and you just feel some kind of, there's just some, you know, and they've done some studies with, you know, dolphins, how they affect kids that have, you know, different disabilities and stuff and how it totally helps them.

[767] And so there's some healing ability.

[768] And actually, dolphins are capable of having a collective consciousness.

[769] And that's why they, when they get surrounded, the big ones don't just jump out of the net.

[770] They, everybody stays together.

[771] So they, but, but, but, but, but again, you know, the aquatic ape, but the, that we're from the ocean.

[772] I mean, listen, that, we call it the soup of life, right?

[773] The ocean is the, is the reason why this, why we were here and why we can be here.

[774] Because if it wasn't for that, it'd be Mars and it'd be hard to live there.

[775] Yeah, there's something that attracts you to it.

[776] It's very strange.

[777] It's very, when you stand there, it's peaceful just to sit down at the beach and just stare out at the blue.

[778] It is.

[779] Yeah.

[780] Well, the Blue Mind is a great book.

[781] That's a beautiful book talks about that and the science behind that and the effect it has on our system.

[782] But, you know, in a way, watching the ocean move is a little bit like, watching a fire.

[783] You know how fire is mesmerizing.

[784] You have a fireplace and you just watch the flames move.

[785] Well, the ocean has that movement and a, and a, sometimes I'll go to the beach and I'll do a headstand and stand and look at the ocean upside down, which is crazy because now it's, the ocean is the sky and the waves are moving opposite to what your brains used to.

[786] So it, it's, you know, it's something when I'm doing when I'm bored at the beach.

[787] Do you think you could ever live in a city?

[788] I've stayed in a city for a little while before.

[789] I mean, I moved to Manhattan at one point.

[790] Did you really?

[791] Yeah, I lived in Manhattan when I was about 17 or 18.

[792] I had some friends that used to come to Hawaii.

[793] They lived in Manhattan, and they invited me back for the summer, and I lived there for a summer.

[794] And, you know, it was dangerous for me to be there.

[795] That was, how's it dangerous?

[796] Because you're kind of more wild.

[797] You're a little more wild.

[798] You know, you're a little more like an animal, and then you're like you're in confinement, you know, and there's just not enough nature.

[799] Like I'd go to Central Park and swing off trees and stuff, but that, you know, that only, that only did so much for me. How old were you at the time?

[800] Like 17 or something like that.

[801] But you felt like a real urge to be around nature.

[802] Always.

[803] Yeah.

[804] Always pulled, pulled to, I mean, I would just go to Central Park all the time.

[805] Wow, that's interesting.

[806] Yeah, I was just, I needed that.

[807] And, you know, people don't realize when they live there, but when you're in a place with giant cement buildings, you know, they're tall, you're in fighter.

[808] flight the whole time because the big yeah because you're you're threatened by these big masses that could fall over and hit you absolutely right and you intuitively you're living in that and then the noise and all of the all the people because i you know i i grew up sitting in the back of the class right i go to a restaurant i find a chair against the wall like i go look for a chair and go where's you know i'll sit in the corner i want to see what's coming i like see what's coming so and you go you know you go to New York and there's just you're bombarded from every single angle right and so you're in fight or flight you're just you're constantly on guard to you know you don't know what's gonna you know I'll take my chances in the ocean yeah I love visiting yeah love visiting yeah yeah yeah as far as living there man I just don't and my my friend Jeff lives there and he's like the energy of the city he always talks about the energy it's amazing I'm like okay well it's retail therapy too yeah Retail pair.

[809] I mean, some retail mech.

[810] That's why every woman in the world moves there.

[811] Yeah, they want to shop.

[812] Shop.

[813] Shop.

[814] And then your friend goes, there's a lot of energy here.

[815] I think he meant like this is all the people, people are moving.

[816] They're doing things.

[817] It makes me want to do things.

[818] Yeah.

[819] But I want to do things anyway.

[820] I don't need that.

[821] Yeah.

[822] Well, we weren't meant to live stacked on top of each other.

[823] That's not in our nature.

[824] That's not in our biology.

[825] Now, is there an abundance of everything?

[826] Yeah, there's a lot of things that make it attractive, right?

[827] it's a I mean there's beautiful women that make it attractive there's all the food you ever wanted to make it attractive you know there's all there's an abundance of stuff and there's always something you do you go to the theater you don't have to be self motivated you don't have to be self -driven right you can just there's always three you know ten parties and a bunch of things and speakers and science just anything you can think of there's every aspect of it right so I think that has an attractiveness about it but in our essence do we belong in these these metropolises they don't really have any in nature that we so we wouldn't actually that wouldn't be a place that you know and we can only handle so many people at once anyway like we can only have real intimate relationships with like a hundred and i don't know 130 people or something some crazy yeah it's like 150 yeah yeah yeah i'm i'm what i'm fascinated by though is that these things exist everywhere and that cities exist in almost every single country there's a place like a Manhattan or like in LA where everybody's just jammed in together like what is it about people that makes us want to live like this that's an interesting thing that's an interesting question why are we attracted to that well the abundance you know that we're all and we're drawn to go where everybody wants to go a little bit like sheep you know like we all go where everybody wants to go opportunity I mean there's all these things that you know why does every why why does every city draw every young person from the countryside right because of opportunity right and and excitement possibility the possibilities my friend michael mouse was on the show yesterday and he was telling me that he was choking he he swallowed a piece of food and he got it stuck in his throat and he went to a table in manhattan he was in manhattan and he was like i'm choking and he said this to this table people and he said this woman just stared at him with no reaction like didn't smile and anything and he coughed and the food came out because I was choking to death and she said well you should take smaller bites like just the harshness the harshness of New York it's like the the the value of a human being is so so much less because there's so many of it yeah that's a that's a problem in the earth yeah right now our value for and we become such a voyer we become such voyors of like well I'll just watch you die yeah I'll just I'll get a video of it and put it you know post this shit stuff like that's i mean instead of like wow that guy's needs help he's hurting let's let me help him right now it's like wow let's you know i mean we you see it's a it's a strange phenomenon you'll get more help when there's less people around than you will when there's all the people around yeah like they'll be a thousand people and they'll all just sit there and stare at a guy that's bleeding to death yeah where when there's two people there one of the people will tourniquet the guy's leg.

[828] Right, right, right.

[829] Like, if you saw someone in the woods fall and break their leg and it was just you, too, you'd feel totally connected to that person.

[830] Whereas if you saw someone, there's 100 people around, the guy falls or gets hit by a car, you're like, well, that ain't my problem.

[831] That ain't my problem.

[832] That ain't my problem.

[833] Diffusion.

[834] Yeah.

[835] Diffusion of responsibility.

[836] Yeah, it happens in large groups of people.

[837] You feel like somebody's going to handle this.

[838] And ain't me. And no one does.

[839] Yeah, no one does.

[840] Yeah, there was a video that I watched recently of this guy.

[841] There was, I don't know what was happening, but it was outside.

[842] side at night, some sort of a nightclub sort of a situation.

[843] This woman hit this guy, and this guy knocked out this one woman, and then another girl came out and he knocked her out too, and the guy's filming it, someone's filming it, and they're not doing anything about it.

[844] No one's, no one's tackling this guy, no one's grabbing, the guy runs away successfully.

[845] And then the LAPD put a thing out looking for this guy, I'm like, how the fuck does the guy with the camera live with himself?

[846] How did you just film this guy punched two women?

[847] Exactly.

[848] Yeah, unless you're a woman too.

[849] And you're like, I don't want this guy fucking me up, too.

[850] I don't know.

[851] Well, you just hit him with a brick.

[852] then.

[853] I mean, you know, whatever.

[854] I mean, just saying, just, you know, drive your car on them.

[855] I'm just what, you know.

[856] But it's, it is strange how we lose our humanity in these giant numbers.

[857] Well, and we're doing it more too.

[858] Now, just with all of the, there's a bunch of factors that are playing in into that, right?

[859] Into, into us kind of separating ourselves from the person next door.

[860] They're right there, but we're over here, you know.

[861] We're on our, right.

[862] We're on our device looking down and they're right next to us.

[863] And it's almost like we think that that's an invisible screen.

[864] Yeah.

[865] There's also a thing about Hawaii that I've always found interesting.

[866] So you kind of know everybody.

[867] So you can't be an asshole.

[868] That's a beautiful thing.

[869] Accountability.

[870] You're going to see them at the store in five minutes.

[871] So either you work it out and you agree that you don't like each other.

[872] And it's just like an accepted thing.

[873] Or you work it out and you get through it.

[874] Yeah.

[875] I love that.

[876] Well, I love that about small towns.

[877] Small towns have the same thing But the thing about an island It's a small town with an ocean around it So there's really nowhere to go And you live on Kauai?

[878] Yeah, I grew up on Kauai.

[879] How many people live there?

[880] About 60 something now, 65 ,000 or something like that.

[881] That's hilarious.

[882] That's less than the Big Island, which is pretty...

[883] Yeah, but it's big, though.

[884] Yeah, but it's big.

[885] Giant and there's like a hundred something, right?

[886] Yeah, yeah.

[887] I mean, I lived in Maui for a while as well, but I grew up on Kauai.

[888] Kauai is my, you know, that's my, that's got my heart.

[889] Right.

[890] It owns my heart.

[891] So gorgeous there.

[892] Gorgeous.

[893] And then you've got Honolulu, which might as well be Chicago or something.

[894] Absolutely.

[895] It's like city problems.

[896] Absolutely.

[897] They have real city problems.

[898] Well, and heavy military.

[899] So they have a huge military.

[900] You know, and the military influences a city.

[901] Like any city that has the military next to it, there's an effect that the military has on the city.

[902] Sure.

[903] And Honolulu has that.

[904] Honolulu is connected to the military because you've got Pearl Harbor and all of that stuff.

[905] And then a million people, which is insane.

[906] Insane.

[907] A million people.

[908] Well, it's a gathering place.

[909] Honolulu means the gathering place.

[910] So it's like where everybody goes to, you know, that's where the state capital is.

[911] That's our whole, that's our, that's our, that's, that's, why does that one place become so populated?

[912] It's, I said, I don't know.

[913] Why, it's, it's, you know, I think it has to do with, if you look at most places that cities have been created it's usually some geographical design some shape like a good harbor and obviously Honolulu is an incredible harbor so great harbor great protection um so that probably has a lot to do with with the fact that it was developed like it was is because of the nature of and it was you know I used to say it like if you went to Rio de Janeiro and no one was there and you showed up one day with a boat and there was no one had built anything it would be amazing if you showed up in manhattan and you went up the you know hudson and you pulled up onto that island you'd be like wow this place is amazing so most of these places you know if you're in paris and you went in the sand went around it you'd be like wow this so most most of the places where cities have been developed are amazing geographical locations and then they out of necessity they were easy to get to with boat, you know, that has a big factor to it.

[914] There's always some sort of, you know, strategic, there's something to a, you know, being a strategic location as well.

[915] But, yeah, I don't know why Honolulu other than great for mooring and harbors and protected, real protected, all that Pearl Harbor stuff is very protected.

[916] And so that made it very easy to develop.

[917] If you didn't live there, what do you think you'd live?

[918] I'd be another planet.

[919] either you'd live in the mountains would you could you love Alaska you know but I don't think I honestly you know both Gabby and I have been splitting the years for since we met and I realize that I'm I'm nomadic like I'm or I'm that I really like like the animals I like to move in a season it feels more natural actually and I we I kind of with my daughters we kind of influenced them that way but I don't want to be anywhere all the time That's what I really realized.

[920] I realize that I'm not good.

[921] That I just, there's, well, you'll get caught up in a domestic with your neighbor.

[922] And you'll just, there's something about being in one location all year around.

[923] And it feels more natural to move according to the seasons, right?

[924] Like, hey, it's summertime, energized.

[925] You go to, you know, we come to California in the summer.

[926] The surf is down in Hawaii in the summertime.

[927] That's when the waves are flat.

[928] So there's, they don't, I don't have the sea to, which means I would shift into other land stuff.

[929] it brings a whole set of opportunities it's like why would we go north i mean why would we go uh you know in north in the summer because it'd be a more abundant um but in the winter you wouldn't go because it'd be too harsh so it's a little bit like that mentality where you move more like if you're hunting and gathering you'd definitely be moving according to the seasons like you'd go where the fruit was when the fruit was you know good and you'd go where the hunting was great when the hunting was good and all of those things and that feels natural for me to just be You know, to be back and forth.

[930] So you do like six months in each place?

[931] Is that what you do?

[932] So you go Malibu and you go.

[933] That's nice.

[934] Well, and then you get to see both things too.

[935] Both things.

[936] And open your mind.

[937] Open your mind.

[938] Open your mind.

[939] And energetically, Malibu is very powerful, like where we are.

[940] You know, it's like Indian mountains and the mountains meet the sea.

[941] And there's some, you know, people don't realize how abundant that sea life is, too.

[942] They always all Malibu.

[943] They have like a preconceived idea about what Malibu is.

[944] but Malibu has a, you know, Malibu means gateway to the sea and Chugash.

[945] That's an Indian word.

[946] Malibu is the gate, which is in a way is the valley that opened from the plains where the buffalo were to the fishing and the ocean.

[947] So there's some, you know, something to that place that we feel comfortable.

[948] And if you're going to be here for us, it's a, I can still be in the ocean.

[949] I can still have that nature part, but then I can run into, you know, L .A. and try to expand my brain a little bit.

[950] Yeah, it is really a weird spot, right?

[951] Like, Malibu has got a weird combination of really rich people that are completely detached and they're on pills and they're...

[952] Like, that PCH is a terrifying place to drive.

[953] One of the most dangerous.

[954] So many fucking drunk driving accidents.

[955] And it's windy.

[956] And you have the ocean, so good and houses on it and cliff on the other side, narrow, winding, and bad drivers in general.

[957] Just all our drivers in America are terrible.

[958] Well, it's even...

[959] There's something about, that range too.

[960] There's so many bars and restaurants where people drink.

[961] There is.

[962] Yeah.

[963] There is.

[964] That's a, that's a wickedly dangerous road.

[965] Well, there's, there's detached people.

[966] And then I've had friends that had their kids go to Malibu High and they're like, Jesus Christ, everyone's doing drugs.

[967] It's all fucked up.

[968] And the children of these rich people are often neglected, raised by their nannies.

[969] Oh, yeah.

[970] Parents aren't home.

[971] And they're just popping bills.

[972] So you have that contrasted by some of the coolest people ever.

[973] And so you, and you have some of the people that don't want to live in town, that work in the industry, highly successful, that want nature.

[974] They want nature and they want to be in there.

[975] And they're willing to drive that coast highway every day and go to work in town just to have the balance of being in the sanctuary.

[976] So, you know, it's what we always say, bright, light, dark shadow.

[977] I mean, it's the nature of it's what you get with it, you know, with the greatness you get is the, you know, the destruction.

[978] It attracts weirdos.

[979] Yeah.

[980] It does.

[981] Yeah, there's so many strange, it's eclectic people.

[982] eclectic yeah which kind of makes it but it makes it great too like if you're for the good group you got guys you know you go to the store and you got guys that are that are uh you know that lived in malibu for their whole life since there were kids they don't you know they live up up one of the canyons and they're totally grounded and and and you know and then you got right next to them some you know giant mansion and with like you said you know kids that are neglected and yeah but there's some good ocean there and there's some good mountains so for like mountain bikes and ocean activities.

[983] It's pretty, you know, the land stuff's always going to be tricky with the humans.

[984] You know, you get the humans, they're on land.

[985] We ran to the place on the water for like three months when we were getting our kitchen done, and it was crazy.

[986] Like you just sit there, wake up, eat breakfast, you're on the water.

[987] I mean, it's just, and the place we were at, it was the water would literally come to the edge of the house.

[988] So it looks like you're sitting on the water.

[989] It's like being on a boat.

[990] And you're watching sea otters.

[991] and all this wildlife and birds.

[992] Yeah.

[993] Yeah, yeah.

[994] Yeah.

[995] You don't want to own one of those houses, but they're nice to stay in.

[996] Well, if you own it, you really don't own it for long.

[997] No. Not in this day and age.

[998] No, especially if we get it, we never know we're going to get a big wave.

[999] Yes.

[1000] I'm always gun -shy about being on the water, you know, living on the water.

[1001] I think when I was a kid, we had to evacuate.

[1002] And so I'm always -for -sunami?

[1003] For giant surf, just huge, huge surf.

[1004] So we had to leave our house in our house, a bunch of house.

[1005] I've pushed across the road in 1969.

[1006] Jesus Christ.

[1007] So I've always been, I think I've had a thing in the back of my head, like, besides highly expensive, but just living on the beach, it's like, no, I'll go to the beach, I'll be at the beach all day, but then I want to be away.

[1008] Like, I want to go home and be away.

[1009] Right.

[1010] And not have sand in my bed and not have salt on my TV and, you know, not have like.

[1011] Everything gets corroded.

[1012] Corroated.

[1013] Well, you have to build a boat.

[1014] Yeah.

[1015] You should, if you build a house there, just pretend it's a boat.

[1016] and that you don't have to worry about sinking.

[1017] Maybe, it might sink.

[1018] It might sink, slowly.

[1019] How far away do you live from the water?

[1020] I'm about a mile as a crow flies, but I'm up a hill, so I overlook the ocean, and I can see, and then I don't have any neighbors.

[1021] I have only one neighbor on the front and back, and then both sides, no neighbors.

[1022] So I've always liked being on hills and being back.

[1023] I just seems that's where I end up.

[1024] It's also views.

[1025] I think views are really good for your brain.

[1026] Good for your brain, to be up.

[1027] and let everything fall below, good for the brain.

[1028] Soothing on the mind.

[1029] What is this physical training company that you're doing?

[1030] You're doing something?

[1031] XPT.

[1032] Yeah, what is that?

[1033] XPT is, I would describe it as a kind of a, it's a lifestyle program that evolved out of how we live, like what we do.

[1034] And so we started an experiential thing where people can come for like two and a half days and go through this, you know, get exposed to speakers and they do heat nice and we do pool training and breath work and mobility.

[1035] So you have conferences and stuff there?

[1036] Exposed to speakers?

[1037] Like, what do you mean?

[1038] Well, I'll invite, you know, I would invite you to come and speak for an hour.

[1039] I'd invite Paul Check or we'd have somebody speak on longevity or somebody speak on, you know, just have, during the experience, we'll have a couple speakers talk on, you know, nutrition, fitness, wellness, career, whatever, just as something, as another piece of the element.

[1040] And then, like I said, we have pool training.

[1041] And then we've been certifying trainers now to kind of help people go through the process as well.

[1042] And so it's, you know, it's really about rest and recovery and breathing.

[1043] It's more based on on that part.

[1044] It's not just another training thing of like, hey, how we, you know, how it can hammer you.

[1045] I mean, I think that's overplayed.

[1046] I think the ways we can train and how we're training is really overplayed.

[1047] I think we're not creating enough things that nurture the system, you know, and really look at trying to support people in their already, you know, hammering life.

[1048] They're already just beating themselves down.

[1049] It's like, let's get off the red eye and then we'll go to the gym and we'll hammer ourselves there.

[1050] And then we'll stay up all day and, you know, and I think they need some support.

[1051] So breathwork is a big part of it.

[1052] knowing how to move correctly, I think that's a big part of it, because plenty of people hurt themselves, especially in the gym, without, you know, without some knowledge of movement and form.

[1053] And then I have a pool training system I developed, which is...

[1054] Yeah, Gabby was telling you about that.

[1055] Sounds crazy.

[1056] Yeah, that's the most proprietary thing I think we have is it's a marriage between the gym and the pool, because I despise swimming.

[1057] You too?

[1058] Yeah, I just can.

[1059] That's hilarious.

[1060] No, I do.

[1061] I just, well, if you said, go do.

[1062] laps in the pool, I'd be like Shammu, and I'd get the floppy fin.

[1063] Really?

[1064] Oh, yeah.

[1065] I just, it's, oh, yeah, I just.

[1066] That's crazy, but you're a fucking server.

[1067] No, but I'm saying, but if you said, hey, we're going to take these mask and this fins, and we're going to swim this coastline where the waves are breaking on the rocks and we're going to go for five miles, I'm in.

[1068] Like, I, but if you said, hey, go down there and, and, and wear some swim goggles where you can't even see and swim in some murky water where you don't know what's in it, and we're going to swim a mile down there.

[1069] and you're going to do that every day.

[1070] I'd rather step on a rusty nail than do that.

[1071] I mean, it's like, that's so because of my disdain for swimming, that kind of swimming, I mean, if it's in the surf and in the waves, that's a different, that's a different game.

[1072] That's a whole different thing.

[1073] But you don't want to do laps in the pool.

[1074] You'd kill me. I'm going to die.

[1075] I just, I would rather, yeah, I'd rather hit my hand with a hammer.

[1076] That's so weird.

[1077] I would think that you would just enjoy moving in the water.

[1078] I do with some dumbbells.

[1079] Oh, okay.

[1080] So carrying a dumbbell and jumping and dumbbells.

[1081] Why did you start at XPT?

[1082] Like, what was the motivation?

[1083] Because you're obviously into doing this stuff yourself, but why create a foundation or organization?

[1084] Well, the reason why we started it was because an opportunity to expose this stuff and share it with more people.

[1085] We were doing it ourselves naturally and then we have friends come and they were like, this stuff's awesome.

[1086] And then can I invite my friend?

[1087] And then we realized that that if, we really wanted to expose it to more people and share it.

[1088] It was going to be a limitation if everybody had to come to my house.

[1089] Do you have like a website and everything?

[1090] Yeah.

[1091] Yeah.

[1092] What does XPT stand for?

[1093] XPT life .com and XPT stands for, well, my, my concept is it is exploration in performance training.

[1094] Ah, there it is.

[1095] High performance fuels, a limitless life.

[1096] Dumbbells in the pool, there it is.

[1097] Oh, yeah.

[1098] So this is all your idea that dumbbells in the pool?

[1099] I need to.

[1100] Yeah, you have to come.

[1101] Well, I'm just in the process.

[1102] That's my boy, Kyle.

[1103] Kyle Kingsbury.

[1104] I love that guy.

[1105] Yeah, the, well, I have some beautiful guys come.

[1106] Like, I'll give you a great thing that you'd appreciate is I have this whole, well, first of all, there's a bunch of things that happen in the water, right?

[1107] Which one of the things that happens is when you're underwater, the compression of the water allows the blood to flow through your lymphatic system, which normally takes about a 24 -hour period.

[1108] It happens in one hour.

[1109] So imagine compression tights.

[1110] Like, you know, if you wear compression, it really helps.

[1111] the blood flow right well this is the ultimate compression the water is right so then you deal with the psychology so it's good for fighters like I I I fighters because of the psychology of what we can do because you deal a lot with stress so we're able to implement stress in a very controlled environment and then and then and then like for example in Grant Hill at one point in his career but I have a friend Jo Kim Noah who's a basketball player and we were doing these we're doing these in the water, we're doing these dunking drills last summer.

[1112] So I train with him and did a bunch of stuff because you can do a lot of highly explosive, heavy loaded movement with protection.

[1113] Because now you don't have to worry about momentum, which is what's going to pull your shoulder out, it's going to throw your hip, it's going to hurt your knee, where I could take a basketball player and I can run him through thousands of jumps, thousands, which at the end of, if I did that on land, he would be broken.

[1114] He's already jumping too much in his season.

[1115] He doesn't need to jump more right so i could load him up and and make him do these dynamic movements but now he's protected because he's because we've taken gravity out so we're so it's like it's like saying hey we get to go trade in outer space but it's in my backyard right now what what kind of results of these athletes been experiencing well so jim in his career and i don't know how many years he's been in the NBA he came back after doing this dunking job just using this as an example and uh and had the most dunks per minute that he's had in his entire career.

[1116] He was like dunking on, it was slamming on everybody.

[1117] I mean, it helps that he's seven feet tall, but the fact is, is that he, he, he noticed.

[1118] Now, you know, Grant Hill was talking about he gained three inches in the last year of his career after playing in the NBA for 20 years.

[1119] All of a sudden, he's jumping three inches higher.

[1120] Really?

[1121] Yeah.

[1122] Yeah.

[1123] So, I mean, we're getting, that's the kind of tangible stuff that I, that I, that I'm getting just that there's a lot more things.

[1124] A lot of it has to do with breath because.

[1125] In the water, it's all controlled breathing patterns.

[1126] So everything is controlled because you can't breathe in until you get to the top.

[1127] So if you're doing a drill where you're jumping, and most of the things we do are leg -driven.

[1128] Swimming is mostly arms.

[1129] Part of the reason why people only use their arms is because you use five times the oxygen with your legs as you do with your arms.

[1130] So the legs are very inefficient for swimming.

[1131] But yet they create a lot of load on your heart, which that can boost your breath holding.

[1132] And so there's a bunch of other things that happen.

[1133] But a lot of it is just that environment is very protective.

[1134] So for recovery, too, for like with somebody's got a hurt knee, hurt hip, hurt ankle, you can go in there and start moving dynamically early before you would ever do it on land and be protected.

[1135] So there's a bunch of, you know, and then we can just ratchet it up.

[1136] I can make, you know, if I truly believe if you said, you know, I'll get, Phelps is going to come to your house and you're going to have Phelps for three months.

[1137] I could make Phelps faster.

[1138] Yeah.

[1139] What is this here?

[1140] This is, this, I'm, so I'm, he's doing a dunking drill and he's using a medicine ball, but he's having to jump out of three feet of water, right?

[1141] Mm -hmm.

[1142] So when he gets on land, when he gets on land, it's like a, he gets like a whole other game.

[1143] Yeah, I would imagine.

[1144] A whole another game.

[1145] Now, did you invent this protocol, this whole thing of jumping and doing it in the water?

[1146] What motivated you?

[1147] Well, it came, the original concept came out of the, a drill, not a drill, a thing we used to do in the summer when we were kids, that's a Hawaiian kind of waterman drill where you run on the bottom with stones.

[1148] I've seen that.

[1149] BJ Penn does that stuff.

[1150] Yeah, so you get a stone, you run along the bottom, then you put it down, then your friend swims along the surface, and then when you go up, he swims down, grabs it, and then he goes along as far as he can, and you swim, and you just go back and forth until neither one of you can do it.

[1151] So it was based kind of on that concept, and then, but I wanted to expand that, because that's kind of limiting.

[1152] You just swim and you run, and you can't.

[1153] isolate movements and you're not working like you can with dumbbells.

[1154] So now I shift dumbbells into the water and I have all different weights.

[1155] So depending on your skill level, you know, everything we do, and that's one thing about everything that I'm involved in is it usually has to have a spec, it has to be able to be, you know, for everybody to do it.

[1156] It has to be old people and kids.

[1157] In my mind, that it's not viable unless you can, appeal to everybody that you need you need to a kids needs to be able to do it an old person to be able to really be valid to really have legitimacy you know it's like okay the coffee it has to be there has to be things that the kids can can have that creamer old people can have it it's got to be good it can't just be specialized i think the specialization of some of this stuff is creates uh the lack of validity i don't think that that it's valid if it's specialized and so i could take a little kid like my daughter does a bunch of the pool training stuff Right.

[1158] I have an older, older guys that come and do a bunch of the pool training stuff.

[1159] You know, I got Pat Riley comes in there and he trains in the summertime with us and stuff.

[1160] Yeah.

[1161] Yeah.

[1162] So we get a really broad spectrum of people and that and that confirms to me that it's really legitimate, right?

[1163] Because then it's like, no, this is real.

[1164] Like the kids can do it.

[1165] The old people can do it.

[1166] The top guys can do it.

[1167] The bottom guys can do it.

[1168] Everybody can do it.

[1169] That, you know, that that's something that's, that's, you know, what, what is.

[1170] is real.

[1171] So how many years have you been doing this?

[1172] XPT?

[1173] Well, I mean, the pool training I've been, I developed over the last probably 10 to 12 years, about 12 years now in the pool.

[1174] And you've evolved it, so you've started off with a couple ideas.

[1175] Well, I, of all, I had like a Velcro weight jacket where you Velcro like a weight, yeah, and jump in the deep end.

[1176] It was a little scary.

[1177] You can't get the jacket off and how can you get up?

[1178] So that wasn't, that wasn't, too sketchy.

[1179] That wasn't viable.

[1180] So then we moved to have done.

[1181] Where you can drop them.

[1182] But we, you know, there's probably 20 exercises that we have.

[1183] How much weight are you using?

[1184] It depends.

[1185] Sometimes we're doing, we have a move called the gorilla where we're using, you know, 60 to 70, 70 pound dumbbells where you're doing a curl press jump.

[1186] So you and you're jumping on the slope.

[1187] So you're curl pressing and jumping with, with, you know, 60, 70 pound dumbbells depending on your size.

[1188] We're swimming with 50 pounds, 60 pound dumbbells.

[1189] We're jumping off the bottom with 15 pound dumbbells.

[1190] It depends on the exercise.

[1191] So it all depends on the person's skill, what the drill is.

[1192] But we, I have a whole, I have all the weights next to the pool.

[1193] So we have everything from 70s to five pound doubles.

[1194] I love that idea of the jump press, like doing some sort of a. Oh, yeah.

[1195] It's all you'd love it.

[1196] It's crazy.

[1197] I call it the gorilla curl.

[1198] So it's a squat, curl, press, jump.

[1199] And then when you come out of the water, you just let the weights drop.

[1200] And then the water catches them.

[1201] You could never do that on landing.

[1202] And how deep you do your shoulder out?

[1203] Right, right.

[1204] How deep you do this in the water?

[1205] Well, you vary on your height.

[1206] So I have about an 11 foot deep end.

[1207] And then I have a slope so you can choose every depth all the way.

[1208] And then I have what you saw in that last video.

[1209] It's about a three and a half foot shallow end.

[1210] So this is the first pool.

[1211] I'm trying to build a couple.

[1212] I'm trying to build one in Hawaii right now that's going to evolve from what I learned from this pool.

[1213] So this pool, I just kind of built it with, you know, with the hopes of designing program and then out of it came all the all this stuff what are you going to alter um i'm going to create multiple depths so i'm going to do like an area that has 12 foot then we're going to shift back two feet and have a 10 foot and then another flat area of eight foot and then another flat area six foot and then i have the magic width is about uh somewhere between 35 to 40 feet wide and that's like if you're trying to swim a heavy dumbbell you know we do a lot of individual limb stuff so that you isolate each limb.

[1214] So we'll do pistol squats and Russian lunge squats and a bunch of other, you know, and movements that you can, you'd be very vulnerable if you did that in the gym.

[1215] You could, chances are you could hurt yourself.

[1216] But because you have that stability in that environment, it totally supports you.

[1217] So you can be, and go into ranges of motions that you don't have.

[1218] Like, you know, you might not be able to go sink all the way down into a deep lunge on one leg and press out with dumbbells in your hand on land, but in the water, you can.

[1219] And the water actually makes it lighter, so you have to boost the weight and stuff.

[1220] So there's a bunch of great stuff that comes out of it.

[1221] That sounds very attractive to people that have had injuries.

[1222] Beautiful.

[1223] And what, but the irony is, is it kind of, it's a little bit like what comes out of rehab where you actually get better performance, too.

[1224] Like, you know, a lot of rehab exercises become performance driving exercises.

[1225] You know, it's like, hey, don't do that shit only when you get hurt.

[1226] Right, right.

[1227] Start doing that and get strong that way, so then maybe you won't get hurt.

[1228] Yes.

[1229] Yeah.

[1230] You know, so it comes that way, too.

[1231] It goes both directions.

[1232] And do you have workouts that people can follow online if someone goes to the XPT Life, is XPT Life, is that what this?

[1233] Yeah.

[1234] We actually, the thing that we have, the thing we have right now is probably the most, the most kind of prevalent one, the thing that's happening the soon is we have a breathing app coming out.

[1235] so we have a breathing app that has almost every different modality of breath work and so there's some pretty cool stuff in there where you can go choose hey before I go to sleep or before my workout after my workout you know during my thing so we have a bunch of we have a pretty cool breathing app uh that that we're working on as well so you ever talk to Wimhoff I know do you know Wim absolutely yeah he doesn't he doesn't give a fuck if you breathe out of your nose of your mouth he's like just breathe man I know I know he doesn't get you motherfucker Fucker.

[1236] He's so crazy.

[1237] I love that guy.

[1238] He's comedy.

[1239] No, I have, I've had a few, I, I've, him, women, I've had a few, we've had a few experiences, let's just put it that way.

[1240] But we've had him at, we've had him at a couple of experiences, and I've done some stuff with Wim.

[1241] I've known Wim for, I don't know, like four or five years.

[1242] Now, maybe, maybe a little longer.

[1243] So, he comes, usually when he was in town, I think the last time, maybe when you, when you saw him, he came, he comes to visit.

[1244] So I get him.

[1245] If I, usually, when I go with Wim, I usually translate for him.

[1246] when he goes to one of his classes, I'm usually like trying to...

[1247] In case people don't understand.

[1248] No, I know, but I'm just saying, sometimes I'll be with somebody, they'll be like, what do you say?

[1249] I'll be like, what he means is take a deep breath.

[1250] Yeah, he's such a character, man. He is a character.

[1251] The guy went to fucking the top of Everest barefoot.

[1252] Oh, yeah.

[1253] Like what?

[1254] Oh, yeah, I almost lost his toes, too, yeah.

[1255] Like, what?

[1256] Yeah, yeah.

[1257] No, he goes.

[1258] Yeah.

[1259] Well, he's, his art actually, uh, is, uh, is, uh, Tumo, is a, is a is a derivative of tumo and i'm not sure if you know what tumo is but tumo is a himalayan breathing uh technique that the that the uh the monks have that they where they uh they have this one thing where they dry sheets so they have this thing the ceremony where they go at night in the himalayas when it's frozen it's snow and the guy sits there and they put wet sheets wet blankets on them and they breathe and get their bodies so hot that they dry the blankets and then the guy that can dry the most blankets at the end of the night is the is like the guy you know but it's a yeah yeah and it's called tumo and it's a uh you can go online and look it up but tumo is a is a is a is a himalian breathing technique that that was never exposed to westerners because um until just as of recently but uh whims whim's uh work is a derivative of of tumo but nose breathe it's all about nose breathing it's all about nose breathing and when you understand the science of it but he's running but he's running it's about getting people to just breathe because people are not breathing then we just had in fact we had another uh bolissa what's her i want to say uh it's a russian name but but she has a great book she trains fire fire and police and military um breathing we just had her at we did an expit in miami about a week two weeks ago and uh and she came as a guest speaker and we and was working on really trying to create more volume and then are a lot of people's rib cages aren't moving and so they have a whole you know there's ways to try to increase your movement of your rib cage your rib cage should actually open like you you can take a tape and measure your rib cage when you're fully exhaled and then when you inhale it should expand like you know three inches or more for you to be really optimally breathing and a lot of people i mean part of it has to do with the whole six -pack abs and what's aesthetically pleasing.

[1260] But meanwhile, when you have a real nice set of six -pack abs, you're not able to diaphragmatically breathe.

[1261] You're not able to use your diaphragm.

[1262] You're not using your diaphragm when you have that.

[1263] Yeah, because the tightness isn't allowing the diaphragm to push down the diaphragm and the pelvic floor actually squeeze your organs together.

[1264] And that is actually massaging the organs, which influences your digestion and everything.

[1265] And it deals with a bunch of acid reflex.

[1266] and a bunch of other things but when the when the when the the abs are so tight that the that the stomach can expand the organs can't push this belly out then you then then you have a limitation in your in your brain and then the ribs aren't moving I mean it's just but guys are going to hear this and go good I'm going to stay fat I don't need a six -pack well but but no but but I actually if you're really using your lungs you you can you'll you'll strengthen your core in a way that you'll get core you can have six -pack abs and not have core stability like so you know i mean and you know this i mean when you look at a lot of not every single great fighter is just ripped no some of the best ones ever not ripped at all like fedor exactly so let's talk about that for for a example of you know that aesthetic isn't always function right right and oh and of course we you know the mind is always ahead of everything i don't care what the car looks like if the god no motor doesn't do anything so it's the body only goes where the brain tells it but the fact is is that that you see some of the best athletes when you look at certain athletes you're not like they're not the physical specimens that you've ever seen you're like that that guy is the most ripped and shredded in a lot times those guys get knocked out you know you see the guy come in and you just call this guy's gonna kill this guy and then you just gets you know annihilated by the guy that looks maybe not quite sure as hard right right part of his genetics max holloway's perfect example hawaiian guy yeah he's not like shredded I mean he's strong obviously but he looks more like a swimmer yeah yeah well and you you might find that his breathing yeah he might he might have better air volume because at the end of the day right a lot of it's about oxygen cardio yeah yeah been max's cardio is off the chart exactly so he's getting more movement out of there I mean you know again we've created these you know aesthetic things in in our culture like oh six -pack abs a sign of this and da -da -da but when you look at real breath work and how the diaphragm works and how the ribs expand, you realize it's like none of us are really doing it right, you know, and you can actually create more volume.

[1267] You know, you said you like cortisept mushrooms.

[1268] Yes.

[1269] Well, those are actually a vasodilidylate.

[1270] Those help you absorb oxygen.

[1271] Those can up your VO2 max, right?

[1272] There's only a couple things that you can, how to increase your VO2 max, but cortisps is one of them, beats is another one.

[1273] You can create more volume by expanding your lungs.

[1274] So by opening the rib cage and creating more room, that can create, promote your VO2 max.

[1275] Now, when people are hearing this and they're hearing breathwork, folks who have never done anything like that, they really don't understand what you're saying.

[1276] Like, what do you mean by breathwork?

[1277] Like, give us an example of like a protocol.

[1278] Well, I mean, a real simple, I mean, they do it in pranayama.

[1279] They have it in apnea.

[1280] There's a thing called holotropic.

[1281] But breathwork really is when you isolate the breathing system.

[1282] And, you know, the simplest way, and that's why Wim says, I don't give a shit how you breathe just breathe that's right yeah yeah so you know like we'll do a breath routine and we'll sit somebody down and we'll say okay breathe like you're running breathe like you're running and we'll tell the guy breathe like he's running and they'll go I go that's a slow run buddy like breathe like you're running like you know like any time any any movement in any air in and out is gonna is a form of breath work right and especially when you isolate the system and you're not doing it because of an activity.

[1283] The fact is that when you use that system and you work it and you're not detracting from it by doing an exercise, if you're doing the assault bike where your arms are working and your legs are working, so all the oxygen that you're absorbing is going into your arms and legs.

[1284] When you're isolated and you just do the breathing alone, now the oxygen is going into that system and that system is going to develop and get better.

[1285] then when you do your assault bike after you develop that system so we'll isolate breath work and we'll just do it alone well whether we're doing you know whether we're doing breath holes we're doing some kind of apnea breath work which is you know we can do a pattern where you're doing like you you hold for 30 seconds and then you breathe in for 15 and then you breathe out for 15 then you hold again then you go in and out and hold that's one pattern another pattern is in hold hold hold outhold, inhold, outhold, outhold, in hold, outhold.

[1286] Like, you know, again, those are, there's, you know, and then there's pranayama, apnea, holotropic.

[1287] There's just some where you're oxygening the system where, you know, like whims would be where you just get that rhythm going and do that for five minutes.

[1288] And people go, oh, wow, I feel lighted.

[1289] And I go, yeah, because you haven't had oxygen like that in your head.

[1290] You haven't had oxygen in your system like that, right?

[1291] So, again, conscious, bringing consciousness to your breath.

[1292] we're not just walking along in life like not thinking about breathing that's the beginning of breathwork just awareness of hey I need to you know I need to need to breathe in and out just to stay conscious yeah and that's a big one with martial arts you see in jujitsu with beginners when they first start sparring for the first time they panic and they have shallow breath and you got to tell us okay stop right now just breathe oh yeah just breathe oh yeah we'll fight or fight yeah yeah fight or flight but it's interesting how they can't get a deep breath yeah they hyperventilate yeah well you put somebody in the ice for the first time that hasn't done it oh yeah that's the craziest you want to see it right that's an instantaneous oh yeah you can't breathe oh yeah but you eventually learn well the system the system turned that's actually a uh an involuntary response to get out mm -hmm right strike you you have the option so you should exercise that option well that's an involuntary response that's your that's your subconscious protecting the organ organism like hey this in their body intuitively knows this is dangerous right environment get out and so that reaction is to get you to get out when you when you make a conscious effort to not leave that environment then the body goes oh okay you're not going to get out okay well now organize i'll bring the blood to the organs i'll adjust everything i'll boost your hormones and so and then pretty soon you don't get that response anymore once you do it on regular basis the body just goes oh we're here we are again back to that ice thing bring the about, you know, boost the hormones, bring all the blood and the organs, you know, that, so, but that's, that's a similar thing to what you're talking about in jujitsu, where people are the stress on the system, they're stressed, and so they're involuntarily, you know, and that's fight or flight.

[1293] One thing you can really do to calm, like, calm a kid down is, is the way you get yourself into parasympathetic where you bring your thing down is when you extend your breath for seven seconds on the inhale and the exhale.

[1294] That reduced, that'll bring everything down.

[1295] Like, if you want to call, calm down or your kids stretch your little kids just all and you get them to just breathe in for seven seconds yeah and I tell people think about a sigh my youngest daughter when she would get upset she would do that should and I'd try like you got to breathe you got to breathe calm down seven seconds is a magic number if they if you can extend the breath for seven seconds and the body goes into parasympathetic and totally that's what you do to like go to sleep at night like if you're having a hard time so there's a bunch of stuff to learn about the breath, which is amazing.

[1296] I think the reason why the breath has always been so important to me is just because of the ocean.

[1297] Because, you know, growing up when you almost drown, you know, a thousand times, you, you, you, you, what, air is important.

[1298] You get to, no, you just get to appreciate, like, there's none down there, and it's all up there.

[1299] And so be cool down there.

[1300] So when you see you can get back up.

[1301] Well, I learned breath work because of Hicks and Gracie.

[1302] I'm watching Hicks and Gracie practice yoga.

[1303] a friend oh you know he does that what is that called that's yeah yeah yeah well that's that's the uh panayama yes yeah but there's a name for yeah where you twist the yeah yeah you're you really sucks his organs yeah yeah his son can do it amazingly yeah yeah it amazingly yeah it's super good for you well that good for the organs yeah and that the ability to control your breath like that is so critical when you're sparring so critical to to to get oxygen these long training sessions well for your life yeah for your life.

[1304] Anytime you're in the stress, if you can control your breath, that controls your heart rate.

[1305] Yeah.

[1306] Do you ever do 30 seconds in, 30 seconds out?

[1307] Do you ever do that?

[1308] Yeah.

[1309] Just slow, deep breaths in, slow, deep breath in.

[1310] That's an amazing exercise.

[1311] Yeah.

[1312] Well, that's the extension of that, that's parasympathetic.

[1313] That's bringing in, seven is just the minimum amount.

[1314] But whenever you go into any of those long extended stuff, and then those breath holds, anytime you hold the breath, then you get that CO2 level.

[1315] And that's what gives you the angst to.

[1316] You know, what's interesting, because, you know, Wim's done, like, some record -breaking stuff, and you have that free diving stuff where they scrub oxygen, you know, where they hyperventilate and scrub the CO2 and get that real low, but you have to be careful about shallow water blackout.

[1317] So we don't really practice any of that stuff.

[1318] We do more like a salt bike, jump in the pool and see how long you can hold your breath.

[1319] And then it's, and then, you know, five, ten seconds, ten seconds is like, that's big time.

[1320] 15 seconds, you're like, wow, that was amazing.

[1321] At maximum heart rate.

[1322] How long can you hold your heart?

[1323] I mean, how long can you hold your breath?

[1324] That's some, that's a challenge.

[1325] So you keep it a salt bike right next to the pool?

[1326] Yeah, just for punishment.

[1327] So you get one and roll, you roll it into the salt.

[1328] Oh, yeah, yeah, oh, yeah.

[1329] Wow.

[1330] God, man. There's always another, you know, twist to the pretzel.

[1331] Now, what other, I mean, because of your hip, do you have any limitations on other kind of stuff that you can do?

[1332] I would imagine running would be a real problem.

[1333] Yeah, not, not.

[1334] I like deep, deep texture running.

[1335] So soft, safe.

[1336] because of the foot and the articulation of the feet and not wearing shoes so I'll do beach, I'll do sand running and like if I'm in the snow like Alaska or something like that but I love barefoot and deep stuff I don't like running on hard ground I just first of all as soon as you're you know if you're 215 or two you know whatever anything over 200 pounds I mean you shouldn't be running more than a couple miles a week if you're over a buck 20 I mean it's just it's a really oh yeah it's so hard on your system on the hard ground absolutely that stuff is just pounding you I mean it's one thing to go in a soft something that has absorption you know like if you're running in the sand or you're running or you're running in the snow or you're running in some deep thick grass or something that's got absorption but yeah you go run you're you know you're 180 200 pounds and you're running you just pound everything's just you know seven times your body weight on the download and then you're wearing a shoe that's you know that's kind of deceiving you.

[1337] It's a little bit like a sunglasses, you know, you think it's blocking the light, but it's letting the bad light in.

[1338] You know, you think it's a block in the absorption, but you're just getting pounded.

[1339] I mean, your, and your feet are, you know, I mean, barefoot is so important, grounding is so important.

[1340] I mean, these are, these are things, but I have a new, I have a cool bike that I just, somebody just gave me recently called a stand -up bike which, the company called Elliptigo, but it's a standing bike, it's positioned so for standing alone, and so the posture is unbelievable, and you want to grind on a hill I mean you don't need running and then you have zero impact it's like you know and so I think running's hard I mean I understand the high of running and but you know if you want to you want to real for me real running is barefoot in some soft sand I had this one beach in Hawaii that I run on that that that's a little bit like quick sand and probably you'll sink in like mid you know lower lower lower calf like you know you'll sink in a foot into it oh wow and you don't need to go far Like you don't need to go.

[1341] And you know what a tarot patch is?

[1342] No. So I grew up, I grew up farming like around on a pig farm and then with tarot patches and fishing.

[1343] And so I kind of grew up in a, but there's a tarot patch is a rice patty pretty much mud, right?

[1344] And so we grew up working in that stuff and walking and carrying buckets and being in that mud.

[1345] The sloshing.

[1346] The mud, like a foot deep mud.

[1347] But what I'm saying, an environment like that where you have to pull your foot out and then sink.

[1348] in where it's absorbing the impact i mean that's where work you know i always question the damage versus the work right like the pounding that you and most i mean you know once you're a certain size the war the pounding that you get i think you can get all the cardio you want to jump rope rope jump rope's great landing on your toe you're doing the thing about when you're running inevitably people go to heel striking they're landing on their heels because they have a shoe that they so they think they're getting you know they think they're getting protected because they're landing on something kind of soft but it's still sending the you know that impact up your spine and inevitably anything you do and you and you come back and your back hurts i have to question like is that optimum right you know and that wasn't deadlift either it was you know right right yeah but you what about your friend the moitai fighter well he's but he runs he runs like on the very super short short step balls of his feet like like and i would i wouldn't even i would call it more like i don't even know how to describe the pace but it's a so a slow a slow pace that you're landing on the toes the whole time so it's not like a run you know a hard run where you're pounding so so he's probably like doing like 10 minute miles or something like i don't know i don't even know what his range is you'd have to ask mr tom jones well i think i think running off your toe is great yeah i mean there's the who does it who does it right who who does it i do i run with minimalist shoes yeah and i mean who but i mean who but it for she's a standing bike that is ridiculous i wouldn't be caught dead in that then Well, that's the elliptico.

[1349] They have a new one that's just a pedal.

[1350] I'm just kidding.

[1351] I think it looks awesome.

[1352] No, but you know why the guy made that?

[1353] Silly.

[1354] Because the guy was a runner and couldn't run anymore, got injured.

[1355] And then he started to bike and he said, biking's not running.

[1356] And so then he developed that thing because it simulates running without the impact.

[1357] Right.

[1358] That's what I'm like I said.

[1359] That's why I like the pool.

[1360] That's why.

[1361] And I think, too, it's like if you think about doing things forever.

[1362] we're talking about doing things forever right yes so we're talking about doing things forever so how are we going to do them so we can do them forever no impact well so reducing impact and if you actually started doing that initially then you might not have to worry about trying to recover from all that stuff that you so it's like we don't want to train in a way that we're going to have to change our training to try to make up because all the damage we've done let's try to avoid the damage from the beginning it's already too late for me I got seven you No, I got six broken ankles.

[1363] Jesus Christ, look at your ankle.

[1364] Do that again.

[1365] What the hell did you just do?

[1366] Your ankle has a golf ball growing out of it.

[1367] Six or seven times.

[1368] Broke the arch, broke all the meditarchals.

[1369] Just from surfing?

[1370] All different.

[1371] Motorbike surfing, snowboarding.

[1372] How did you mess up your hip?

[1373] Probably because I broke walking on a broken ankle for all those years.

[1374] Because each time I broke it, I had five or six different breaks.

[1375] And then I would keep going.

[1376] So I would keep walking on it.

[1377] But it means I had to carry the load on my wrist.

[1378] right hip so I think I just wore the cartilage out from offsetting and carrying the load of the broken lake Jesus so that was but so I mean it's so wasn't like one injury where you hurt your hip it was just slow no I just wore it out I just I said I lived a couple lives with that one that was that that was only a one life hip and I had three lives in it what is it like having a fake hip insane incredible bionic the thing's not even in my in my in my brain not even how also it doesn't i doesn't i i don't ever even bring it in into consciousness it's and it's slicker it's like a mercedes ben's ball joint i mean it's absolutely perfect wow it's and and you know i mean i've had acl i had some knee stuff before that was harder to recover from then the hip the hip was i i just felt like i got kicked by a horse for a couple months and then after that it was like no brainer jump off a cliff go stand up paddle run i mean they tell you to not do certain things?

[1379] No. No. You could, like, you could just start taking Jiu -Jitsu.

[1380] Don't do anything you should do with your real one.

[1381] Oh, really?

[1382] That's it?

[1383] Don't do anything you shouldn't do with your real one.

[1384] Yeah.

[1385] That was the only thing.

[1386] I mean, the guy, Dr. Penningberg, who did mine, he did it to a contortionist.

[1387] I guess some contortionist had some blown hips, and he did it to, and the girl's still performing and stuff.

[1388] So I don't, I think it's, I mean, this stuff is, the technology is, um, amazing.

[1389] And the thing that I, the thing that I would consider if I ever had to do it again is that the atrophy from the, the, the initial problem is harder to recover from than you just go in and get in the new one.

[1390] And I think when people push it, you know, they used to try to push that stuff because they wanted to wait for the technology got better and they only last 15 years and all that stuff.

[1391] But the atrophy that you try to recover from is harder to recover from than if you would have gotten and gotten it done when you need when as soon as you needed to have it done so the one you have now you have to get it swapped out every 15 years no no no no but back in the early days well they they they don't know how long this new stuff lasts they had some they had some material that that wore out after like because there's a like a some kind of polyurethane some kind of slick outer layer well like a cartlet like a like a man -made cartilage between the ball joint in the socket and so that stuff wore out in the past but though yeah and they had this new stuff that that has been in for 10 years and a lot of people are already and they've seen zero wear on it so you know you know could be 30 could be you know could be 10 I mean I was actually uh I stayed conscious and I was able to stay awake for my hip surgery that because I didn't want to have to recover from the from the anesthesia yeah really yeah it takes people a month to get the anesthesia out of their system.

[1392] Really?

[1393] Oh yeah.

[1394] To try to get anesthesia.

[1395] I mean, anesthesia is controlled death.

[1396] They're just put you right to the edge of dying and keep you alive.

[1397] I mean, anesthesia is some hard stuff on your system.

[1398] To get that stuff out of your organs, you got to do like a full detox cleanse.

[1399] It's not just like, oh, yeah, anesthesia.

[1400] I've never heard that before.

[1401] I didn't, I didn't know that.

[1402] Oh, yeah.

[1403] I thought you feel like shit for a day or two, but I didn't know it takes a month.

[1404] That shit's in your organs and stuff.

[1405] There's no way that stuff just goes out.

[1406] They can't dose you out and knock you out like that without that stuff lingering.

[1407] I mean, you know, how long does it take to, when you got a hangover?

[1408] I mean.

[1409] So did they do like an epidural block on you?

[1410] Evadural block, yeah.

[1411] And they had it so good that they could just isolate the left, the left hip.

[1412] They did that to me when I had my first ACL surgery, because I wanted to see it.

[1413] Yeah.

[1414] Because I was like, I want to watch.

[1415] I felt like I'm only going to do this once in my life.

[1416] I want to see this.

[1417] Turns out I had three of them.

[1418] Yeah.

[1419] Three knee surgeries, but I wanted to see it.

[1420] I wanted to be there.

[1421] It was pretty freaky.

[1422] Yeah.

[1423] It was ACL?

[1424] I had ACL too.

[1425] Yeah.

[1426] I had ACL the right leg.

[1427] I had a cadaver.

[1428] I had a cadaver on my right leg.

[1429] And the left leg, I had a Patelotan and grabbed.

[1430] Oh, yeah.

[1431] Yeah.

[1432] So now your hip doesn't even, you don't feel it.

[1433] You don't feel anything.

[1434] Not even in the wheel, not even a thought.

[1435] Wow.

[1436] Not even, like, amazing.

[1437] And it was, I was, it was debilitated.

[1438] I could barely walk.

[1439] I mean, I could still surf, but I'd get to land and I was hobbling around, like, you know, wounded.

[1440] My friend, Maynard from two.

[1441] tool you know the band tool yeah maynard is a he's a jujitsu enthusiast and he had to get his hip done uh and he fucked his hip up from stomping on stage you know because he's always like stomping with one leg yeah yeah he blew his hip out yeah well i think mine's attributed a lot to my back leg and surfing so i'm on that back leg and that back leg is always loaded loaded so i think that but but i know the brakes the other in the left ankle and left foot and how many i had and that i was always on it i know that attributed to a lot because this this this right leg carried the load for that thing for did you get your left leg fixed my ankle yeah i just let it so every time it broke listen i went i went to my knee uh to get my knee worked on and the guy goes he saw my ankle and he goes and then he saw how much mobility i had and he called in some foot specialists and they had to take x -ray they just wanted to see because i have no metal in there there's no screws there's no nothing i just let it you know it just so every time it snapped you just let it sort of heal itself up yeah so it snapped and you just walk around on it yeah pretty much cut the cast off the first time was i was i was 16 that's so crazy i cut the cast off and you know and i went out and rebroke it the first time and then uh and then i had broke it other ways it got a little smarter after i rebrook it but yeah that's so crazy the arch i broke the arch because the ankle was so calc so uh bonded that when i broke it i actually broke my arch that was probably the most painful that was the most painful uh break down in that area yeah well when i talked to kelly slater he broke his foot like that too yeah same well his was just recently yeah yeah and his his was fucked up for a long time he said that's a a painful thing to snap your toes like you're the middle of your foot yeah crazy well you have you have uh 75 percent of the bones in your body are below your ankles what really 75 % like like numbers yeah numbers of bones but your feet your feet have like half the bones of your entire body god i never thought of that that's crazy but it made there's a lot of shit down there a lot a lot little little ones and little nubs and weird little ankle see that's why kickboxing is so stupid you throwing those things at people and slamming them into elbows knees and stuff well i fucked the clods big oh guaranteed yeah I've broken my feet.

[1442] Nothing like kicking something and breaking your feet.

[1443] Yeah, elbows.

[1444] It's a little embarrassing if it's a wall, though.

[1445] Oh, yeah.

[1446] Yeah, for sure.

[1447] Is that what you kicked?

[1448] No, I'm just saying.

[1449] No, mine was, like I said, I broke, mine broke mostly sports related, motorbike, wind surfing, you know, towing.

[1450] Yeah.

[1451] Yeah.

[1452] Well, I guess with as many injuries as you've had, though, you do understand, like, what's good and what's bad for you.

[1453] For sure.

[1454] Yeah.

[1455] You hope.

[1456] Yeah.

[1457] But, you know, it's interesting, it's a little bit like in karate where, you know, when you know how to heal, you know how to wound.

[1458] Interesting.

[1459] You know, that the more you understand, it's like, I think my injuries, first of all, it's a form of failure.

[1460] I think that is taught.

[1461] I've learned a few things from them.

[1462] And you learn also how to recover and how to heal.

[1463] And so I think that feeds into how to train and perform.

[1464] Like, I think that's all interrelated because you start to have a more intimate relationship with your body and know how.

[1465] it responds so i think there's something i mean you don't learn a lot from winning you know and succeeding that doesn't teach you anything compared to losing you know losing teaches you and and in any way injuries are forms of loss sure you know unsuccessful endeavors yeah yeah yeah when you lose your and then you lose your ability to do stuff and then you wonder why you're doing it and if you're going to be able to do it again yeah all that stuff do you float at all um no but i saw your float tank you've never done it i haven't oh man i thought that would be right up your alley i know i just haven't i just i've been invited my friend has one in malibu i just haven't ever you can use this one any time you want yeah i should try to come over and float in that thing come on down man anytime you want it's here i can tell there's salt in there by the way the everything's crusting up in the back guaranteed yeah it's thousand pounds of absent sauce oh yeah tank yeah yeah if you're anytime i have an ocean so i float there and that helps but there's a lot of noise in the ocean no it's true It's just for meditation.

[1466] But that's what you love about the pool because you're floating already as soon as you go under.

[1467] I actually have speakers underwater.

[1468] In your pool?

[1469] Really?

[1470] Oh, you play music?

[1471] Oh, wow.

[1472] So you can get lost over there.

[1473] It's pretty cool.

[1474] So what are the things do you do besides the curl pressed jump thing?

[1475] Like what other types of exercises are you doing in the pool?

[1476] We're doing, you know, like single dumbbell.

[1477] So single, clean, single arm, dumbbell, and then stroke.

[1478] Get a breath free fall, so you're doing single arm jumping.

[1479] Okay.

[1480] And then we're doing single arm swimming.

[1481] Single arm swimming, carrying dumbbell.

[1482] I call that an ammo box.

[1483] How much weight do you doing that with?

[1484] We can do like 50, 60 pounds.

[1485] Wow.

[1486] It's called an ammo box.

[1487] It'd be like if you had an ammo box, you had to swim across the river.

[1488] Like that's kind of the concept.

[1489] We have cell phone.

[1490] We have the yuki.

[1491] Self phone.

[1492] Do you keep your hand out of the water?

[1493] And hold and swim with your hand out.

[1494] Oh, wow.

[1495] And then a bunch of, like I said, single leg stuff.

[1496] So a lot of like Russian pistol squat, jump lunges, what else?

[1497] A bunch of, a bunch of, oh, fast breaks where we're doing this one where we drop down, you run along the bottom of two dumbbells to the other side.

[1498] You set one dumbbell up, you jump up, you bring one dumbbell out, you go back down, grab the other one, bring that one out, and then pull both of them out, then drop back down and run back out.

[1499] We call that one fast break, kind of mimicking like if it was a basketball court.

[1500] You'd run down, you'd jump up twice, run back, jump up twice yeah um and then we have spider man we have i mean we they just spider man's one where you swim you carry a dumbbell and you descend into one end you jump up you grab you get a breath you descend into the other end and then and then all these exercises we're able to we to make them harder we'll do them on an exhale so you can do so to ramp up you know we can either increase weight we can increase distance or we can do it do it on an exhale so you can do it on an exhale so you can do it sale so when you developed all this stuff did you write all this down from your own practice from all trial and error like how did you develop this well some of them came from failure so you know you try to do one move and then you'd fail some of them came from friends that i was working out with that would oh well let's try this and then we modify it some some of them came from my daughter i watched my daughter my one daughter swim down one day and grab a weight and then try to swim up with it i'm like oh that's a great move and we you know so we we we we some of it came out of necessity for movement, like certain dynamic movements that the basketball guy, you know, one of my friends needed or, and then, so it naturally, all the movements kind of naturally evolved.

[1501] I think that's why they're also great.

[1502] And there's an isolation to each limb.

[1503] So we have an isolation so you can really see if the dexterity of your right arm versus your left arm and how strong it is versus the other one, how strong one leg is next to the other one.

[1504] the ranges of motion and the mobility.

[1505] We're doing, we can do front back flips and front flips, multiple.

[1506] So you jump up and get a breath and then do multiple flips and extend work time so that you extend breath work where you'll do, you know, like three or four moves in one on one breath.

[1507] So we have a bunch of ways to ramp it up as we evolve.

[1508] Because you know how it is.

[1509] It's like in any exercise, you get proficient.

[1510] And then you're like, well, how do I make it harder?

[1511] Well, you make it longer.

[1512] You make it faster.

[1513] you make it heavier i mean these but because you're in the water we always have the breath holding element uh and then we have the distance element and then we have the weight because we have weight so we have the weight element so those are different ways that we can ramp it you know ramp it up so when you're developing this program are you writing on this stuff down are you doing these workouts yourself and saying okay i really started to fatigue after 30 of these so we'll try to like i have a group of i have a group of guys at train that come to my house to train six days a week so there's Six days a week.

[1514] Yeah.

[1515] In Malibu or in Kauai?

[1516] Yeah, in Malibu.

[1517] Oh.

[1518] So because Malibu's just show up.

[1519] Malibu's this summertime.

[1520] Right.

[1521] And summertime is when it's really like the season for training because there's no surf.

[1522] In the wintertime, you're not going to train and then have a giant swell and be tired.

[1523] That would be just stupid.

[1524] So you never want to let the problem with it is that you get, you know, I tell people, I go, listen, probably in any sport, you get the most out of shape during the season.

[1525] You're in a certain kind of shape, game shape, but you're really not in shape.

[1526] because you can't, you can't have a regimented workout routine.

[1527] If you're competing.

[1528] No. And so, and in my case, the ocean's dictating the performance, right?

[1529] So you can be, oh, there's going to be 20 feet next, you know, in three days.

[1530] And then all of a sudden, you show that there's not, there's no surf.

[1531] It's only half the size or the wind screws it up or something.

[1532] So you get all that buildup.

[1533] So we have to do things to kind of exhaust the energy, but you can't be in a nice Monday, Wednesday, Friday, pool training with Tuesday, Thursday, Thursday, Saturday, you know, lifting mobility and yoga and what, you know, it's like you can't get into that kind of a rhythm.

[1534] And Hawaii's not conducive for that anyway.

[1535] It's part of the beauty of it is like, oh, it's so beautiful, let's go to the thing, or we're going to go down the coast because it's a nice day.

[1536] It's a good day for fishing, go to the mountain.

[1537] There's just so much other activities to be done.

[1538] We're in this environment, you're in the desert, and it's kind of like, okay, it's a June gloom, no problem, just bang iron or, you know, ride the mountain or do it.

[1539] whatever you're going to do.

[1540] So that's, but in that summertime routine, I have a group of guys in that, we bounce everything off of each other.

[1541] So we'll do 10 and he'll do 10 and he'll do 10.

[1542] I'll be like, yeah, that was good.

[1543] Okay, up the weight.

[1544] Okay, oh, 20s too many or that weight's too much or that weight's enough.

[1545] And so we just kind of, it's evolved naturally that way.

[1546] And then I got some other friends that are a little bit more professional.

[1547] We have a, my friend of mine, PJ, who's been involved with all of the stuff around XPT to write programming and do that kind of stuff that he trains a lot of fighters and it's great in mobility and some other training stuff.

[1548] So he'll come in and they start to really break it down and make it, you know, into a real program.

[1549] But we have routines that we do.

[1550] We have circuits that we do that we know, you know, how, you know, when we're taxed.

[1551] And, you know, it's an interesting thing about what the pool really teaches you is that, you know, you have a volume of energy available.

[1552] We go, okay, we know, we got a 50 -gallon tank.

[1553] And I can do three or four drills in 10 or 15 minutes that, there's none left.

[1554] You just blew all 50 gallons.

[1555] Right.

[1556] You do extended breath holds with super hard work where I can, you know, give you some things that are a little lighter.

[1557] Now we can take that 50 -gallon tank.

[1558] We can drag it out and make it last two hours.

[1559] Right?

[1560] Because we do these, we're doing higher volume, less weight.

[1561] And so we're, you know, breathing more often.

[1562] We can expand that thing.

[1563] So everything in between just blowing that whole tank up at once, right?

[1564] Through real intense breath hole with maximum weight.

[1565] You know, max breath hold, max weight, max rep. Okay, we're good.

[1566] We're, I mean, it's, and I think lifting's the same way.

[1567] You know, it's like how many max lifts do you have in a certain day and how many per week do you have?

[1568] It's real tangible in the pool.

[1569] The pool is real, you know, the interesting thing about the pool is that it doesn't get, you don't get muscle soreness because of that compression.

[1570] So you don't get that like, wow, I'm sorry, you get a, you go, almost every single person that comes.

[1571] And it's one of the, I always say, you know, you got to call me and tell me if you fell asleep at lunch.

[1572] And every guy, every, every guy, every person, you know, I was in the thing and just in their desk at the work or whatever, just fall asleep, like guaranteed.

[1573] And some guys, you know, oh, I fell asleep for an hour.

[1574] I saw 20 minutes, 10 minutes, you know, but everybody, 90 -night.

[1575] You know, I don't know.

[1576] I think it has a lot to do with the oxygen and the taxation of that environment, but it exhausts you in like a terminal way.

[1577] Like it's a complete exhaustion.

[1578] And I don't know why part of it is the threat of being underwater.

[1579] Part of it is that the water is sucking the calorie, out of you, you know, because it's like when they, uh, when they were talking to, uh, Phelps about burning all those calories.

[1580] Well, you know, three quarters of the calories he was burning is because he was in a 70 degree pool and people go, well, it's our 75 degree pool and I go, yeah, but the body's 98 .6.

[1581] So for the body to keep itself warm over in three hours, it's, it's at 75.

[1582] That's 20 degree differentiation.

[1583] You got to keep the body's just working to keep itself warm in that and that and because the water affects you more than the air it's you know it's it's more intense on your system they just you just get tapped so the the water temperature the uh the the the oxygen load the the psychology of being underwater with weights you know the workload that it's taking all those things play into just full thorough exhaustion and nothing nothing i do uh exhaust me more thoroughly and yet more kind of comfortably than that because you're not you don't have experience joint pain well you're not wounded you don't come if I train that hard in the gym I'll feel hurt after right I'll be I'll be wounded I'll be a little like and if I move wrong or something I'll be like oh you know you feel like something you tweak something so this allows you to do the six days a week that's one of the reasons why well it actually helps flush the other days when you're doing other land training so it actually helps support your but no I mean we're not doing we're doing pool training probably every other day it's just I end up turning the kind of I love being in the pool so much that we have we do a thing called surf and turf so so we have surf and turf where you're doing like some sort of some sort of burpee press some kind of lifting on the deck into the water and then a routine in the water and then back on the deck and back in the water you might be doing we have one of a move called a seahorse where you hold a dumbbell between your legs and then you hold your feet up in front of you and you swim like this with a dumbbell in your lap oh wow and then when you get to their side then you do push -ups so you do push -ups on that side you you see horse over you do push up that side see horse back you do that i mean you just blow up right so yeah we i i think i enjoy that that part of it just just being creative making it fun making it interesting that's the part that really is enticing just the dredgery and the monotony like when you said oh yeah swimming laps i go that's just like dredgery just like which there's a mentality for that I'm good I can be good at that like I can get on a I can get on my board and you know I've I've done some endurance stuff I paled 22 hours one time um I've done two hours yeah oh yeah so I've done I did actually I actually did a thing on Hawaii five we call it the Hawaii 500 we started on the south point of big island and we biked across the big island so 125 miles then we paddle to Maui 38 miles and then we biked across Maui and then we paddled to Molokai and then we biked across Molokai then we paddled to Oahu then we biked across Oahu then we paddled to Kauai and we did that in five days so what's day six like that's when you start coming good that's the end but you're but you're good no it's but it's what you said about you know about running yeah about Eddie about Eddie when you know you all of a sudden you're the body's like like, oh, is this our new house?

[1584] Is this what we do?

[1585] What we, this is what we do.

[1586] Once we, once the body makes that decision, all of a sudden you're good.

[1587] Like, okay, I'm, I'm, I'm good.

[1588] I mean, the hands had blisters everywhere, but the body felt like, oh, this is where we, you know, I did, Race Across America with Dawn with Wild Men.

[1589] He talked me into it.

[1590] I didn't want to do it.

[1591] And he suckered me into, into it.

[1592] And he said, because I was like, he had other.

[1593] plans he was because he was an operator and he's like he wanted me to go in this race and there's four it's a four man team you know what ram is it's called the race across america it's a bicycle race across america you start in ocean side and in in delaware and so you bike across and each guy just goes like 45 45 45 and then you chase the other guy when he's riding and you get out and then you just go full bore as hard as you can for 45 minutes and the next guy gets on he goes but you're riding in the car chasing the other guy and you do this day and night right all you're doing day and night and he uh you know we the first couple days we felt pretty sick like you felt you don't even you don't even want water like water you look at water and you're like that's when i really learned to appreciate cambucha but uh but we don't even want water and then day two day three all of a sudden day three you're like wow i'm i stomach thing goes away i'm ready to go i feel good let's go and uh but it was that thing about the body being comfortable with that that kind of dredgery but I don't mind the monotony of that of that kind of like hey I'm going to go that island and just you're going to paddle for but if I do it in my in a routine like something that's a little more not out of a mission right then I'm like then you just you know I don't want to go in and do the same lifting routine day in a day I just not I prefer creating new stuff and making it interesting and having that the distraction of the of the challenge of something new and keep me interested.

[1594] I get it.

[1595] Makes sense.

[1596] Do you, what about massage?

[1597] Yeah, love it.

[1598] Live for it.

[1599] What kind do you get?

[1600] Only good ones.

[1601] But I mean, you get like deep tissue.

[1602] Well, I've done, I've done kind of almost every single modality you can think.

[1603] It's usually about the person.

[1604] It's usually about the person that gives it.

[1605] and how, if they're healers or not.

[1606] So I just try to find healers.

[1607] What do you say healers?

[1608] What do you mean?

[1609] The people that do it because they're into taking care of people.

[1610] They're not doing it as a profession.

[1611] Like they don't do it to make money.

[1612] They make money as a side product, but they're healers.

[1613] They just have a gift.

[1614] You know, you go, you know, you can get 10 massages, right?

[1615] And they're all can be good.

[1616] But there's just one of the people that they just have a skill.

[1617] They know how to touch.

[1618] They know what it is.

[1619] They know where.

[1620] They know how to feel it.

[1621] They know how to use the system.

[1622] You know, I've done, the thing that I'm crazy about right now is I'm crazy about dry needling.

[1623] That's the thing that has been the most profound.

[1624] I mean, I've done, you know, I've done, you know, I've done shiatsu and acupuncture and the thing.

[1625] And just, I mean, you know, and Rolfing and I've done the 10 series three.

[1626] times and I mean I've had all those different modalities but dry needling has been you know and then I have another person that that that just does and I don't even know what art it is it's just massage and she just she just is able to understand the tissue know out and she's relentless and and and won't won't leave and won't leave it until everything releases and she knows how to release it.

[1627] Can you explain dry needling to people?

[1628] Dry needling is a technique where They use acupuncture needles on soft tissue and they touch the trigger point and get the system, the stuff to release.

[1629] Like it's not acupuncture.

[1630] It's a different modality that I'm not sure if it's what states it's legal or not in.

[1631] I know most of the athletes that I know they do it a lot in Australia.

[1632] They do it in Europe.

[1633] It's not legal in some places?

[1634] Some places it's not legal?

[1635] yeah why i have no idea probably because it works and somebody's threatened by it i mean isn't that usually the case well i guess or someone doesn't understand it and they think someone's a quack and get those needles out of these people you don't know what are you doing there's no science here yeah well there's some science behind it and uh and it but it it absolutely is the most uh functional i mean i got friends with giant knots and their traps and that you know one session the thing goes away extremely intense yeah intense intense intense but but dry needling is you know if i ever have my friend who's really good at it comes through i'll i'll i'll stir her your way because it's it's it's it's it's it's the most effective i mean i i've you know i think as someone uh that you're always looking right we're always looking like what what you know hey we need the heat we need the ice we need the thing we need the food we need the thing we're not where's the tumor where's the you know we always are looking and so when I run into things that are effective I'm I cherish them because I know that you know and the problem is you have a high bar because when you've experienced great work you just you can't you go get somebody who does the little mushy mushy and you're just like don't I don't have time for that I'll lay I'll lay still for three hours if I know somebody knows what they're doing right but I won't be there for 20 minutes if somebody if I feel like it's like you're half ass now yeah which There's a lot of it, you know, a lot of that stuff's out there.

[1636] And no fault to the people.

[1637] I think part of it is just...

[1638] They probably just don't know.

[1639] And their intentions.

[1640] It's got to be your intentions.

[1641] Why?

[1642] Why do you do it?

[1643] Yeah, it's interesting how some people could just find those problem areas.

[1644] They just, oh, it's right here.

[1645] And you're like, how do you know?

[1646] They know.

[1647] Yeah.

[1648] And they feel it with their hands.

[1649] They see with their hands.

[1650] And they know right where it's, like, connecting and where to dig in and how to release it.

[1651] Yeah.

[1652] That's an art. That's what I said.

[1653] My own facial release.

[1654] It's real.

[1655] It's real.

[1656] when you're good and you and somebody really knows what they're doing that's why i say more about the people than the technique because there's i can yeah yeah yeah but but give me the person and but that dry needling is is is it's the most effective of any of the uh of the stuff that i've used and this person is in california the the girl that helps me is in hawaii and then um they but they teach in colorado it's actually it's actually a technique that they developed uh some guys that were studying pain is from my understanding they were studying pain and so what they did is they had all these people that were injured in different areas and then they injected them with different solutions and they injected them with like a placebo and like saline and novacane and all kinds of different things and everybody got better and what they realized is that it was the needle and the acuteness of the needles themselves in the areas that were painful that were causing that was causing this release and so they developed the whole pain referral chart and And then they develop this technique.

[1657] And it's, it's, because everybody always confused, you know, confuses it with acupuncture.

[1658] They, oh, yeah, acupuncture, no, it's not acupuncture.

[1659] This is in the soft tissue.

[1660] Acupuncture is on the meridiums and on the electrical system, right?

[1661] This is soft tissue.

[1662] This is, this is to get the soft tissue to release, but they'll take stuff that you've had that's just like a cable somewhere or a knot or something that just won't release.

[1663] And, but it's, you know, it's back to that.

[1664] pain, no gain.

[1665] Yeah.

[1666] Oh, yeah, for sure.

[1667] There's always that.

[1668] I got a lady that does trigger point massage, and it's the most painful shit I've ever experienced in my life.

[1669] Like, it's, like, you just want to quit.

[1670] Absolutely.

[1671] But when I get out of there, the next day, like, everything is like loose and pliable.

[1672] And I've had things that I'm like, I've really injured myself and she fixed it.

[1673] Yeah.

[1674] And then like a day later, like, it doesn't hurt anymore.

[1675] I'm like, this is strange.

[1676] And it's been hurt like for months.

[1677] Yes.

[1678] So there was something in there that was nodded up.

[1679] Yeah.

[1680] And I always assume that that's an injury.

[1681] injury and sometimes it's not an injury it's not yeah it's just the tissue it's just not released up yeah yeah well and this has something we do with the fascia and some other stuff going on that that that that they have to know how to release it and sauna seems to help that quite a bit too and ice crazy the combination of those two are i mean that's that's what i found is that sauna and ice kind of eliminate the need really to get worked on unless it's super acute right like if it's not if it's super cute then there you you you know you need you need somebody to go in there and you know put the jackhammer on it but but if it's not acute like that just the normal maintenance and and and actually preventing the stuff from getting to a point where you really need to get the work the son ends magic that stuff is crazy good and it seems to me that when i've been ramping up the temperature like in the two hundreds and now in the two days it seems more effective more effective yeah more effective well it's more intense yeah more torture yeah more torture more results but i'm a little bit you know and i don't know maybe something you can find out but i this thing with i'm a little rocky right now with the with the infrared i was going to ask you that i'm a rocky with the infrared right now only because of just some of the something that happened to me with my skin and then and then met i met a dermatologist that was pretty educated and he was saying that you know that he says that it damages the collagen and infrared does yeah really yeah damages the collagen in your body he's well it affects the structure of the skin because of the penetration of it and that the most you should ever do is this is and these aren't my words but the the most you should ever do is is is you know three times a week for 15 minutes at the most for infrared yeah and and he was saying that uh and you should never look at it oh as well.

[1682] Like it's harmful to the eyes.

[1683] Yeah.

[1684] So I got a regular sauna just because the protocol that the Dr. Rhonda Patrick was talking about for those, I guess it was it, was it Norway that did those studies?

[1685] That was all a regular sauna.

[1686] So I'm like, look, if they're getting these results from regular sauna, I'll just do regular sauna.

[1687] Well, I like regular anyway because it just seems like it's natural.

[1688] It's kind of like ice.

[1689] Like people go cryo.

[1690] Hey, you want to go cryo?

[1691] I go, I have an ice tub.

[1692] I don't need cryo.

[1693] And by the way, if you want to do it.

[1694] real ice going on an ice tub because cryo's cakewalk compared to a real ice tub yeah well you can only do cryo for a couple minutes yeah and you don't have heat next to it and i mean you can only do ice for a couple minutes too yeah it's like the thing about cryo though is you can do cryo and then work out yeah like well you can do ice and work out too can you and you know yeah i do that all the time in fact we incorporate ice into training and so one of the things that we do is we'll three quarters into the training we'll just pull out right when you start to kind of lose some of your juice and you'll go do like three minutes and come out and then try and you have another gear so that's another little thing to incorporate ice within that within that system or we'll do ice as we as we train as one of the stations imagine doing a circuit and one of the stations is you know we were doing a we were doing a horse a couple months ago last season maybe but we were doing like an iron horse where you're standing in a horse position with your arms and we'd stand in that position for 10 or 15 minutes what is a horse position with your arm you mean like a horse stance yeah horse stance yes yeah okay so we're in a horse stance with what are you doing with your arms with the arms are straight out okay you're holding okay so called the iron horse or whatever just standing in the horse so you stand in the horse position 10 minutes go in the ice three minutes oh come back out stand in the thing going back in the ice stand in the thing blow you up explode you like crazy so i mean there's always like i said there's always a little you know a little hook to give it but the ice to incorporate it within your training I think is phenomenal.

[1695] Like people, that's why I question warming up, because people go, oh, warm up.

[1696] How about do three to five minutes of ice and then go start all your cardio and start to train right now?

[1697] Your body will just be freaked out.

[1698] Freaked out.

[1699] But it's, but the ice makes you stimulate it.

[1700] Like when you feel the system, it's cold, but you're not cold.

[1701] Right.

[1702] Because you're trying to heat up, just like Michael Phelps in the pool.

[1703] Heat up.

[1704] It's revving.

[1705] Yeah.

[1706] So there's all, that's like the science of the fun, you know, the, for me, I look at at like a laboratory it's a little bit like being an artist and playing all that stuff that brings that keeps me interested it keeps me excited about about learning a learning because I think it's about learning it's all about learning yeah learning about your body and learning about what's effective yeah well that's why I'm glad there's guys like you out there I really am the guinea pigs yeah well the guinea pigs and also the guinea pigs that again are in my age group yeah so like I know that it's possible to keep doing this when I'm 55 Absolutely, long after that.

[1707] Well, listen, man, thank you.

[1708] Thanks for coming here.

[1709] Thanks for doing that.

[1710] I want to do your workout, too.

[1711] Yeah, well, you're having an open invitation.

[1712] All right, let's make it happen.

[1713] I got a, I'm still, after the fires, I'm still cleaning.

[1714] So I got this weekend, I should, we're doing a cert, so we're training some people this weekend.

[1715] But after this weekend, I'm open for the summer.

[1716] So if you, you want to come and, you know.

[1717] Beautiful.

[1718] I'll do that.

[1719] Let's make it happen.

[1720] Thank you, brother.

[1721] I really appreciate it.

[1722] Aloha to you too as well.

[1723] Thank you.

[1724] Thank you.

[1725] Bye, everybody.

[1726] That was great man.