JRE MMA Show #19 with Vinny Shoreman & Liam Harrison

[0] Boom, and we're live with my pal Vinnie Shorman and eight -time world moitai champion Liam Harrison.

[1] Yeah, thank you for having me. Fuck, yeah, dude, great to be here.

[2] Great to see you guys, too.

[3] Yeah, we love it.

[4] Listen, man, I'm a big fan of all combat sports, but I really believe that if there's one sport that doesn't get it to do, it's moitai.

[5] I really don't understand why it hasn't taken off in America.

[6] I don't get it.

[7] I love boxing.

[8] Boxing is a lot of fun.

[9] I think moitai is twice as fun.

[10] Yeah, it's twice as hard as well, I think.

[11] I mean, I've fought pro boxing and I've had over 100 Muay fight.

[12] It's definitely a lot harder.

[13] I mean, it is getting more mainstream now along with the MMA because most of the top of MAM fighters are doing Muay Thai for the stand -up, but it's still not where it needs to be.

[14] Yeah, it's weird, right?

[15] Yeah, I mean, I think what puts a lot of people off Muay is maybe the two -minute break and also the...

[16] Two -minute break in between rounds?

[17] Yeah, and the traditional music and stuff like that.

[18] People find that hard to take to really, I mean I love it So I don't see that problem But I can see outside the box with that as well Well I feel like the two minute break Gives guys more of a chance to recover Which makes the fights more exciting You have more energy And I don't care about the dance The Y crew That doesn't bother me You're a fan, aren't you?

[19] You're a martial arts fan I mean to sit down and watch your bears I am but watch baseball So fucking boring It's crazy how boring it is A lot of shows in England now They've started to cut out all the traditional stuff There's no Rammu here, no Y crew Just get in the ring You face off bell goes go straight away so they're trying to cut little aspects of it out just to make it more media fan friendly really yeah we should probably explain to people that don't know what we're talking about though the the dance that they do it's called the white crew right yeah they're on and it's what's what is the headband they put on what is that the moncong that's the moncong and when you're doing the dance the ideas like to warm up yeah there's lots of different reasons why there's different camps of believe different things it's mainly to do with buddism you're sealing the ring and then taking you know with plain respect to your gym, your coaches your parents, etc., in it?

[20] Yeah, I mean, I enjoy doing it.

[21] It sort of prepares me mentally for what's about to happen.

[22] I've done it in nearly all my 108 fights.

[23] Only the odd one or two where I've missed it when that's only been because I've been told by the promoters, right, no wrong way.

[24] I enjoy doing it, but like Vinny said, like some people who come to watch it, they just want to see fights.

[25] They don't want to see that aspect of the sport as well.

[26] They just want to see people getting torn up.

[27] And in case anybody didn't catch that through that dense accent, he just said 108 fights.

[28] That's fucking crazy, man. That's a lot of fights.

[29] It is for a westerner, but a lot of the ties I'm coming across, there are 200, 300 plus.

[30] I remember last year I fought a tie, and they said, oh, Liam's had 100 fights.

[31] That is a lot.

[32] What do you think?

[33] And he said, I'd had 100 fights when I was 15 years old.

[34] Wow.

[35] That was Sing Damme who said that about it.

[36] A hundred fights when he was 15.

[37] How is that even possible?

[38] I'm not sure.

[39] They must be fighting every week, don't me?

[40] Yeah, 52 weeks a year.

[41] It's a living, isn't it?

[42] Yeah.

[43] If they don't eat, in Thailand, if you don't fight, you don't eat.

[44] So, see you.

[45] There's no welfare or anything like that, so they have to do that.

[46] I had former UFC champion Pat Militich in yesterday, and we were talking about Muay and how crazy it is that this one place, Thailand, developed this completely effective style.

[47] Like, they changed the way people fight.

[48] I mean, they really did.

[49] If you look at all the other martial arts, whether it's karate or conglades, or anything else like they figured it out yeah without doubt um but what's happening now is as well the westerners are starting to catch them up now i mean remember where the first time i went to thailand not many people were going and um not many people knew about fighting that taiway more and more westerners now are going to live there they're staying there for long periods of time they're getting it down and we can compete with the top level ties now wow before like back in the day they might have been like only ramond decker danny bill obviously john way and parr Yeah, Ronnie Green as well from England.

[50] Yeah, Ronnie Green from England.

[51] But now there's a lot, especially around Europe, French fighters, top level, British guys.

[52] We've got Daniel McGowan in England.

[53] He's doing it.

[54] I mean, we are starting to really compete with people on top level now.

[55] Is Muay Thai more popular in Europe than it is in America?

[56] Yeah.

[57] There's massive shows on in Europe every weekend.

[58] Really?

[59] I mean, in America, there's like the main one's lying fight.

[60] Yeah.

[61] We've got like two or three huge promotions in England now, Yoko.

[62] There's Tancore.

[63] the French, they have massive shows on every weekend with top, top level fighters on all over Poland and everywhere, he's getting huge.

[64] I'm a big fan of a lion fight, but it seems to me that there's a lot of times where these guys come over and they're fighting someone that really doesn't belong in there with them.

[65] And you get to see like a Lirdzilla or something like that.

[66] That was absolutely ridiculous.

[67] The guy's first fight against the guy who's had 400 fights, like one of the best Thai champions of this era.

[68] Yeah, and his first ever professional Moit Thai fighting fights that guy.

[69] And he got his head ripped off.

[70] That's the difference between Yocco and everything else, you know.

[71] They do it in such a way that the matchmaking, Brian Calder, who does a matchmaking, our friend, the fights are like really, really, always, always competitive, which I really enjoy.

[72] And you've been doing commentary for them for how long?

[73] I've been doing commentary for Yoccao since 2011.

[74] I met Stefania when I was working for at Showtime, and she asked me to work for them.

[75] I still have some of the old It's Showtime on my old, I have a DVR, in my gym that's like fucking 10 years old and I still have your voice right yeah screaming out I'm sorry about it's great it's great you know what as I was going to say as I've matured but after the shenanigans we've got up to in the past you'd be surprised but no it's you know Yocca's gone from strength to strength you know and it's showtime offshoots like glory and Mfusion who I work for now you know it's so healthy at the minute yeah so healthy kickboxing and Well, it's so high level.

[76] It's just to me, I mean, I've sat down and thought about this alone by myself for hours on in trying to think like what would be the way to get Muay more popular in America because me as a person who loves combat sports, I look at Muay and I'm like, this is the pinnacle of striking sports.

[77] It's the most exciting to me. I like the clench.

[78] I like the elbows.

[79] I love kickboxing.

[80] I love glory.

[81] But I feel like there's something missing with that.

[82] Like just the stuff that you were showing me today with all the trips and sweeps and all that stuff that's eliminated from glory.

[83] The thing is with Liam as well though because he's got such a, he's got a friend -friendly style.

[84] You know, he's not particularly a clincher but he's crash bang wallop in a 150 mile an hour and I mean, I'm not going to lie, I'm his biggest fan.

[85] I mean, if you listen to the commentary, it's totally 100 % biased.

[86] I don't fucking care.

[87] I love the kids, you know what?

[88] I mean, I've known him since he's 15.

[89] I'm on my back -up floor and he's like, look how well he's lying down.

[90] Oh, he's doing it great.

[91] Where the manclos mashing he does.

[92] But, you know, for me, it's his style that makes it exciting.

[93] Yes.

[94] I think that, with the TV thing, I think to get it more popular, need to pick and choose what fights you're putting on the TV.

[95] Yeah.

[96] If you just put, like, a random show on with, like, three, like, fights that are terrible, but one's okay, you need to, instead of it being live, maybe, like, pick and choose some good fights, get it out there, get people talking about it, make them think, wow, did you see that?

[97] Did you see them elbows?

[98] You see all that blood?

[99] See them sweeps?

[100] That's what I think.

[101] Yeah.

[102] That's what I do personally.

[103] I feel like if a network like Fox took a chance and had one Saturday night and they promoted it and that we're going to show you the most dangerous stand -up strikers on the planet Earth.

[104] Like you might think that professional boxers are the most dangerous strikers, but they literally wouldn't last two rounds.

[105] They'd get their legs kicked out from under them.

[106] They'd get kneading the body and elbowed in the face.

[107] They'd get cut up and clinched and thrown to the ground.

[108] It's just a better style of fighting.

[109] And a guy like you on TV would be a whole lot of fun.

[110] I'm a big fan of the way you fight, man. You fight like you've got rabies.

[111] It's like what Vinny said.

[112] I've always had that type of style, but you know what?

[113] Sometimes I've probably lost fights on points because of wanting to go for the kill when probably if I had to change my game plan, I probably could have won, but that's just not what I'm about.

[114] I get in there and people come and watch me fight and paying their hard -earned money to come and watch me fight that want to see me smash someone's leg, they want to see me knock someone out, they want to see even if it goes to distance, I want to see me put it all in there and people are paying their money for that so I feel like I've got a moral obligation to give them that I mean I can fight technical as well I've had lots of fights in the past where I've just gone in with that game set and I've schooled top level fighters but I don't like doing that I want to get in there and I want to I don't like you doing that either I'm not going to be you know you don't like when you fights technical listen we can't do any wrong in my eyes you know what I mean you can't you know I mean You know, Liam's killed a family for nothing.

[115] They must have done some things with time.

[116] But, no, I just think that, you know, his style, the way that the show that we work on, I work on regularly at Yocca.

[117] I mean, to have that level of, it's matchmaking.

[118] See, Moitai's like anything, if it's done well, it's beautiful, if it's done badly, it's hard to watch.

[119] Including boxing.

[120] You know, like one of the reasons why we were talking about the Garnati -Galofka and Canella Alvarez fight, I mean, one of the reasons why we're so looking forward to the fight, not just because the first, fight was so great because stylistically you look at the way those two guys fight like how could this be a bad fight it's impossible okay now they're both saying they're gonna both change they're gonna both change oh well what is gonna happen this time there's no change they're gonna someone's gonna get hit and it's gonna be guns blazing team g g g g g g we've been to hunt him we're looking for him other day at big bear yeah you guys went stock at my fair girls 100 % sat in restaurant where he eats where he came over said oh what would you like i went ah la what g g gg yes it's true the gg special And when we was in there, we were sat there and Liam was like across from me and I went, there's Tom Loughla and he went, he was in, I went, he's, he's, he's manager.

[121] And they'd be getting all chairs out and stuff, setting these chairs out and I thought, he's going to arrive.

[122] I couldn't eat my food.

[123] I got so excited.

[124] I've got to push me plate.

[125] I can't eat it.

[126] He's going to be here anymore now.

[127] And we were sat there phrased and he didn't turn up.

[128] But we met Freddy Roach the day before.

[129] Freddy Roach is a sweet guy.

[130] What a guy.

[131] He's a real sweetheart.

[132] He took us down and let us watch sparring and stuff and we were like yeah he wasn't even that he's like stood with us for like half an hour we were talking about boxing he were like interested in when i were fighting and stuff like he didn't have to be like that did i mean and i bet he gets people walking in there all time like wanting to meet him and stuff but he took time out talking and viny about all different other types of fights let us watch some top -level fighters spar and he were like really interested like absolute legend he's very genuine i got to interview him back when he was in george st pierre when george st pierre was uh under him and he's just uh as down to earth is you or you or any you know just a regular guy yeah he's a good guy man yeah it's over the moon to meet you and man talk about a guy who's been around the world and seen it all that guy you know training pachial and fuck man and you know what i thought he said something about i don't remember pachial's going to train with him for this fight and he kind of likes and he was so um engaging and endearing about pakial wasn't he saying oh pachial plays basketball even though he's been with him 16 years and he's just gone oh well well if he goes and does something else he finds his over train he was like oh well yeah he likes basketball he's It's just a...

[133] He don't give a fuck.

[134] He's got money.

[135] He doesn't give a shit.

[136] And, you know, I mean, his health has been such an issue over the last few years.

[137] He has trauma -related Parkinson's, which has got to be very interesting when you're, you know, training fighters.

[138] And you realize, like, you're suffering from fighting yourself.

[139] Yeah.

[140] Yeah.

[141] Just meeting him, that's made my old trip, meeting him and just seeing how grounded and down to work, he is.

[142] Honestly, I just couldn't believe it.

[143] Have you gone to wildcard gym yet?

[144] Yeah, that's where we went.

[145] That's where you went.

[146] That's where you went.

[147] We watched some two, what were his name, George Camboso, Jr. Yeah, the kid from Australia.

[148] Watch out for him, 14 and all.

[149] Oh, yeah?

[150] Oh, yeah.

[151] Sharp.

[152] Yeah, next big thing from Australia, definitely.

[153] It's crazy too when you go up to that gym.

[154] You hear so much about it.

[155] You're like, yeah, it's about as big as this room.

[156] Yeah, it's not a big fucking gym.

[157] We were sweating at all sorts, weren't we, on the way up?

[158] Yeah, no, it's a legendary spot, you know?

[159] It's a great place.

[160] So you're in America doing some seminars.

[161] Yeah, yeah.

[162] Fire, Fury Focus seminars.

[163] Vinny's doing all his NLP mind coach.

[164] stuff for an hour and a half and then I take over and do all the physical aspect Muay Thai all the little tricks and sweeps and the stuff that I was showing you there stuff that I've used throughout my career to help me get to where I'm where I am and NLP is neurolinguistic programming is that what you're doing yeah NLP but it's mainly to language and things tricks that I've put up from over the years not all NLP you know it's a little bit of hypnosis hypnotic language blah blah right right and it gets them in a learning state so what I do is I get that I prepare them in a learning state, give them confidence, build them up, so they can start to take on what Liam teaches.

[165] So he's a double whammy, really.

[166] So he teaches some brilliant techniques as you're aware, and then I just do my bit to get them where they have to get to.

[167] Before I met you, I thought that hypnosis was for idiots.

[168] I thought you'd have to be a dummy.

[169] I'm like, yeah, you're getting me with that shit.

[170] Sam.

[171] And then when you hypnotize me, I was like, wait a minute, this is real.

[172] Wow.

[173] But it's, I tried to explain it to me. to people, you know, I'm like, it's not what you think.

[174] It's not like you don't know where you are, you don't know what's going on, all of a sudden your pants are off.

[175] It's not like that.

[176] It's like you achieve this weird state of mind that you're aware.

[177] You do it.

[178] Yes.

[179] All I do is guide it.

[180] You do it.

[181] And then the client does it, like, whether I do it with you or actors, we've got an actor friend called Mike Parr, who I've been working with, who loves it, and Warren Brown people.

[182] Does he use it to help his acting?

[183] Yeah, he mentioned, me on a program called This Morning, which is a daytime show in England.

[184] And he went on it.

[185] He's in a soap opera called Emmerdale.

[186] He's known Liam a long time and known me less time because I'm not in that long time.

[187] He's your biggest fan, by the way.

[188] He's your biggest fan.

[189] Hey, Mike.

[190] What's up, man?

[191] What's up, Mike?

[192] There you go, you met his year.

[193] Yeah.

[194] So, yeah, and we've done work with him.

[195] Since I've gone on your show, which I really do appreciate it, because my work's gone from a business woman of the year, CEOs, and everyone now been, it's just gone crazy because they needed a convince her and you was it.

[196] So thanks very much.

[197] Well, it's legit.

[198] I'll tell you right now.

[199] I mean, I don't know about other people, but you know how to do it.

[200] Thank you.

[201] Again, it gave me some very interesting understanding about the mind and thought processes and how it works.

[202] And that expression that you like to use all the time, Hukalau.

[203] Hacolau.

[204] I think about that.

[205] Explain what that is to people?

[206] Huckalow is increasing your peripheral vision.

[207] It's increasing your awareness.

[208] just by basically cutting off your chitter -chatter that goes on in your mind.

[209] If you see Liam, when he fights before he fights, he pushes his gloves together and goes into Hacklau does it every single time.

[210] What that does, and I haven't shown you that yet, but I will show you later on if you wish, is you anchor the gloves.

[211] So you anchor a positive state in the gloves, and you push them together, and then you find Hackalow, and it just gets you in a well, you can explain that.

[212] What's unique about these seminars is why I wanted to do them is, because I've worked with him myself before and all the stuff that he's teaching and I know it works myself.

[213] First time I used Vinny is the story how it all started.

[214] I fought a top -level tie called Annamat Kaosamri in nickname with Ironhanzas Siam.

[215] He had like an 80 % K -O ratio.

[216] And I went to fight him in Jamaica.

[217] I knew I could beat him, but there were a few aspects that just didn't go right with training.

[218] It didn't go right at the time.

[219] Michael Jackson died?

[220] Threw him off.

[221] I'm not going to lie.

[222] Really?

[223] That fucked my shit up.

[224] Really?

[225] It fucked you up when Michael Jackson died?

[226] Oh, yeah, I'm a massive fan.

[227] Everyone who knows me knows are a massive fan.

[228] We like that.

[229] He's out of my life.

[230] But I'm not blaming Michael Jackson for losing that file.

[231] No, but you really were.

[232] You were massive Michael Jackson.

[233] That's interesting.

[234] Do you ever come out to his fights?

[235] Yeah, a walk -up movie.

[236] Yeah, yeah, of course.

[237] But, yeah, I thought this tight champion in Jamaica, like I said, a few things didn't go right, and he smashed me to pieces.

[238] It was the first time I ever got stopped.

[239] I knew I could beat him I'm good at reading fighters I knew I could beat him so I begged and begged and begged for the rematch and promoter brought him about six, seven months later brought him to England MEN Arena massive show biggest show the country's ever seen and Vinny had spoke to me before in the past did you never want to do a little bit of work and I always find I'm mentally strong I'm mentally strong I don't need to but do you build up to that fight I thought you know what I'm going to train as hard as I've ever done before anyway but there's no point you can never be too prepared because I said oh Vinny can we do a little bit and we did we did lots of different techniques and we had like key words like warrior were one of them the warrior was the main one yeah um bear in mind now the reason why Liam was reluctant to work with me is the first time he met me um I stole a wheelchair drunk I didn't steal it I didn't tip anyone who was disabled out of the wheelchair just for everyone at home fucking Brits I know but I was drunk at a show at Lisa and all I'm sure his coach Richard Smith remembers or Lisa and um anyway So it was reluctant because I like to mess about.

[240] You know, I like to be silly, et cetera, you know.

[241] But he came to me and we worked together, and my take on this story is I was commenting at the time with a great guy called Rob Cox, who lives in Thailand and who knows everything about Muay Thai.

[242] Rob Cox knows everything.

[243] Everything.

[244] He's like the kink, simple.

[245] And I was commentating with him.

[246] Now, Liam came to me, and I wanted to put a word in that would keep him strong so it was warrior.

[247] Now, what was really weird, as I was commentating on the, you can watch it on YouTube, when I'm commentating on the fight, he looks at me at round four, because I can see him, and he looks through his trainer, Richard Smith, and Andy Hous, and his cousin, who's a five -time world champion as well, so it's in a family.

[248] And he looks over at me, and he goes, Warrior.

[249] He looks straight in my eyes.

[250] I don't remember doing that, either.

[251] It was like, the state I was in when I were fighting, he couldn't hurt me. Bearing in mind how badly he smashed me to pieces in the first fight, I didn't get hurt with anything It was like I were in some total state I was so on point I'm making him miss I schooled him really I beat him pretty convincingly on points That's amazing And I went to the after party Afterwards I had a bottle of water Sat down, passed out Collapsed ambulance came and got me Took me at Wospil I had a really bad concussion Wow But it just goes like the state I was in in the fight And I didn't feel a thing Everything just had my eyes Didn't feel anything It was weird Like, it's hard to explain.

[252] You get so emotionally invested in it as well.

[253] Because, you know, my biggest fan.

[254] When he came over, he said, thank you.

[255] I was like, back to my dad's birthday that day as well.

[256] So there were a lot of my dad's birthday.

[257] I know his dad and his family and that.

[258] And I was so overwhelmed by it.

[259] But look, I mean, it's only one aspect of it.

[260] He's got a fantastic coach in Richard Smith.

[261] And Lisa Horan, Lisa Smith, we call Horan.

[262] Lisa, and all the gangs like Jordan, Badger, you know, Andy, everyone, Steve Campbell, he's strength of condition.

[263] He's got so many people around.

[264] him I'm just one little bit but it was weird because he went warrior and I said to him do you remember where he went no I didn't remember at all I had to look back at the video much was it all the concussion probably had a lot to do with that maybe I'll look back at the video and there's a left duck in round four my head nearly like was whoo who spinsed round and that was the one that probably yeah yeah you know it's interesting that that's catching on mental coaching it really is and there's a lot of fighters that used to dismiss it that I know now are using mental coaches I've had conversations with them before in the past and I was like, what do you think about sports psychologist?

[265] What do you think about mental?

[266] I don't need that shit.

[267] And then years later, a loss or two later their mind's in a weird place and then they decide, okay, I need something like now.

[268] Yeah, the thing is, I think that fights are won and lost in the changing rooms.

[269] I think that in the locker room, as you say.

[270] You know, one little, it's like a tiny bit of anthrax have thrown it in a reservoir, a poison a whole city.

[271] I think that's what it does mentally.

[272] I've seen fighters in the dressing room who I've trained with in the gym and they have been so strong had so much power in the gym they've been the best ever and I've seen them in the changing rooms and I've seen them start to go at the self you're gonna be hard this in it you know I'd be strong him in here and I can see him just starting to deflate and change and a lot of fighters do have that problem and um dwarfed by the moment yeah yeah yeah that's a common thing with everything it's anxiety with any kind of performance anything where you're doing something that's difficult but fighting it has such dire physical consequences that the the overwhelming anxiety and the pressure just you see it so many times guys who are really good fighters that they have panic attacks in the dressing room they just they can't handle it's like interviews as well I mean you get such a a diverse mix of clients that it's everything it's what it means to you isn't it so that your fight against whoever the hardest fighters tieboxes in the world like to keep matching you with and and your job or you your interview or you like Mikey the lines that you have to do while you show it I think it's all relative to you you know when anxiety is a big scourge yeah anytime you have to do anything difficult anxiety comes into play it does but it just doesn't come into play in anything remotely except war it's like war is like the highest level of it and then past you get the below that is like probably police officers and you know first responders then it's fighters indeed it's like there's nothing like that walk to the fucking ring you know i mean and you're just thinking about did i do enough did i sleep enough did i eat right you know yeah And it's, and you see it.

[273] I see so many, I think that's why I've kind of got into it as well, you know, with different things.

[274] I saw so much potential.

[275] See, you know, the first time, one of the first times I met him, I was training someone to fight him.

[276] Oh, wow.

[277] And I was like, right, listen, he's only a kid.

[278] So what you're going to do?

[279] Get in his face and punch him in the face hard.

[280] As often as you can, he'll soon quit.

[281] How wrong was I?

[282] I were only 15.

[283] How old was the other guy?

[284] 28.

[285] Oh, Jesus.

[286] What was his name?

[287] What was his name?

[288] Mark Castellane.

[289] Matt from Liverpool, yeah, yeah.

[290] You fought a fucking 28 -year -old when you were 15?

[291] Right.

[292] I fight at 65 kilo now.

[293] My first fight were at 60 kilo when I was 14, so I've always been big for my age, and then when I got to 15, I just stopped growing.

[294] So when I was 14, I had like a beard, and I looked like a Yeti and all sorts.

[295] I was big in school, so I were having to fight a lot older people, I haven't to fight men, and so I was like, I think of when I was 14, one of my first fights without any protection, and I had to fight a 28 -year -old.

[296] And I went my first 29 pro fights, all unbeaten.

[297] It wasn't until I fought a Thai champion.

[298] And I got a bit of an hiding called you called Duol that I realized, oh, I have to change up my game plan here and have to go to Thailand and learn how they're doing fight that.

[299] What is the difference?

[300] What is the difference when you train in England versus when you train in Thailand and how they fight?

[301] What is the difference?

[302] Well, over there, I stayed there for about 18 -month in Thailand and I just lived in the gym like the Thai did, So we woke up in the morning, we went running, came back, pad worked a bit of clinch.

[303] Not too intense in the morning, but then the afternoon session, three in the afternoon, the scorching hot eat, free till six.

[304] I mean, most classes in England, there might be, what, an hour, an hour and a half.

[305] At least for three hours, intense.

[306] Second workout out of the day, too.

[307] Yeah, yeah, so you're skipping for half an hour, straight off of that, straight on the pads, seven, eight rounds, straight off that, straight in the sparring, straight off that, straight in clinching with the ties, and anyone who knows how strong the ties are clinching as well.

[308] it was absolute torture every single day but I loved it and I don't think without doing that I don't think I'd have been able to compete with the top level ties that I have done now though how much Richard has progressed with my gym in England I feel like we've got so many top level fighters now that who are at that level I feel like I don't have to go over there to do it anymore we've got the stable in bad company now we've got the knowledge we've got the experience we've got the Andy House and Jordan Watson young Joe Craven coming through we've got all these strong strong animals in the gym that we're probably one of, well we are and we have been one of the best gyms in Europe for a long time now.

[309] Now do you work out the same amount of time?

[310] Do you do a morning session and then do a three hour afternoon session too?

[311] Yeah so what I'll do in the morning I'll go down on probably do kick pads with my boss Richard and then maybe a bit of play sparring with Jordan or a run so then in the evening I've got PTs all day in between this though that's the only difference.

[312] Personal training?

[313] Yeah yeah I teach as well full time so I might have five hours of PTs to do in between all this.

[314] That's exhausting.

[315] Yeah, it is.

[316] Especially the way you teach.

[317] Yeah.

[318] You get very intense.

[319] I like to be hands on and hard to get involved.

[320] And it is tiring.

[321] I just have to make sure I die at some point with stuff like that because if I have a day where I eat shit and then I'm exhausted and I can't get the most out of my second training session.

[322] And then I get to 5 o 'clock.

[323] I'll go run again, kick pads again.

[324] And that's when Richard will do that.

[325] So you run twice in a day?

[326] Some days.

[327] Wow.

[328] I don't run farther.

[329] I'll do more 5Ks, but fast.

[330] The way I see it, we're moving tight.

[331] explosive stuff so I do more hill sprints and more sprint work than actual long distance the only time I do my really long distance is if I need to drop my weight down drastically but when you're fighting five three minute rounds it's not a long time it's like bababang bam bam so I do more explosive work like hill sprints with my strength coach and stuff like that I don't know plyometric explosive workouts that's the only thing that's missing in Thailand really the strength and conditioning but a lot of gyms out there now are getting hold of that and changing up there super pros doing it where I go with Robbie Timmis and Sharun, who's trained.

[332] I just said that Alastair Ovarim's over there.

[333] And Bada's been there a few times.

[334] A lot of the Dutch go over there in Kosoamimi.

[335] And they've got a CrossFit place now.

[336] They've got like a new meta fit place.

[337] Yeah, so Yokkau as well.

[338] They've got it going on now.

[339] Yeah, Yonkow center as well.

[340] So a lot of them are catching up, you know, and, you know, doing it over there as well.

[341] So they kind of catching out.

[342] I know that Bamchamek, I know that Bokkow starts doing a lot of it.

[343] He looks like he does a lot of it.

[344] Yeah.

[345] Yeah, he does.

[346] His last fight against Johnny Riscoe, and he lost.

[347] Johnny Risco was amazing that night.

[348] He was just on him.

[349] Didn't give him any rest.

[350] How long was this?

[351] About how long ago?

[352] Last week, won't it?

[353] Last week.

[354] How old was Bullock out now?

[355] 35, maybe now.

[356] He's coming to the twilight now, yeah.

[357] He's a legend, though.

[358] Yeah, he is.

[359] He got a chance to see him fight in L .A. Yeah.

[360] And they've had some fights.

[361] They tried to do some pay -per -view events and stuff like that out here.

[362] It's just for whatever reason it never caught on.

[363] Yeah, we did a more time in America.

[364] yeah when Andy fought twice on it they were good shows them as well they were wicked shows all real good fights yeah they were wicked shows that's where I met Brian Dobley who's our friend who's looked after us here and um Fontana California in the house yes sir double dogs that's where our seminar is on Saturday the last one and yeah it was it was a shame because we love it here don't we we don't want to go home I wish I really wish I could figure out a way to get it to catch on I just don't understand what's wrong I guess it is getting there with the remember me and stuff like I remember the first time I ever fought main event on a show in England and I got like paid like this much but now I'm like headlining shows and I'm getting paid like up there now so there's a lot of people I've seen going nowhere it's going nowhere he's bringing that mic in front of you I've watched it like go from there right to where it is now in my career and where it's come from is massive is massive gap from where it was and it does keep going like this it will eventually get there but it's just slowly slowly slowly we've always seen much more multi -type talent come out of England and out of Europe than we have out of America for whatever reason there's been some standout fighters in America but it's the big shows there's like a lot of big shows in Europe and that's just really never been the case here yeah I mean like like yokau is the one now everyone wants to fight on yukau I'm nothing to do with the promotion I'm just a yok out fighter and I get people messaging me all the time oh how do I get to fight on yukau who do I contact and I mean like hundreds of messages all the time of people asking and everyone does, that's the show that everyone wants to be honest.

[365] The biggest, outside of the main stadium ones in Thailand, the biggest in the world by a country mile.

[366] Do they do internet pay -per -view?

[367] No, they don't.

[368] And I think that's something they should look at.

[369] Yeah, I've said this for ages.

[370] Yeah, because I think, because even though it's big, it's small, if that makes sense, in numbers that come to the show, like 3 ,000 or something like that, which isn't massive, but it's always jump -packed.

[371] and I think when you're selling tickets for a show people say oh I can buy it for like five quid and sit at home and watch it instead I think there should be an international then maybe maybe else yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah because I know that infusion do that who I work for Geoblock what do you mean yeah that means that you can't watch it in your country but everywhere else worldwide so if you think about everyone in America oh so that people will go to the to see it so you buy tickets yeah yeah yeah so where does it air in does it air on television like no it's They bring the, we do the show and then they put the fights out and they kind of feed the fights out over YouTube.

[372] And I think they may put it on their Facebook page or their...

[373] But the fights on that show, I mean, every single fight is a war.

[374] Every single fight could headline any show around the world.

[375] We have got some right kids coming through.

[376] I'm a massive fan of Stuart Stave.

[377] There's never a boring show, is it?

[378] No. And even when Liam's not on it, which is, you know, obviously the highlight for me, because he's been mate and he brings thunder does and he's a storm.

[379] But we've got some new kids.

[380] coming through that are just like I just mentioned Stuart Stabler and these Joe Craven and these kids coming through that are just and watched him taking on his style and taken on their own style and there's some real dangerous kids coming through now I would imagine with your style your style so physically intensive and so aggressive that like you're how well do you monitor your diet I have to do with when I'm close to a fight if I thought like I say I've got I'm going to have no energy.

[381] Do you cut weight?

[382] Yeah, I used to cut a lot more than I do now.

[383] I might do about eight pounds now, but I might start the fight camp and be only 10 pounds over.

[384] That's not nothing crazy.

[385] No, not a lot at all.

[386] My last four or five fights, the day before the waiting, I've been on weight without having to go running the sweatsuit or anything like that.

[387] As I've got older, I've got wiser.

[388] You just realize it was draining you too much?

[389] Yeah, of course, especially as I got older.

[390] When I were younger, I could get away of it.

[391] I might be able to get a sauna and lose like three, four kilo at the weight and still get in there and knock someone out or stop someone.

[392] But I had a few mistakes as I got older as well growing where I missed weight and it made me just think, what am I doing here, get on point with it.

[393] Because as soon as you start to do stuff like, that promoters don't want to work with you, you get a bad rep. And this were about 7, 8 years ago now, and I haven't done it since.

[394] I've made sure I've been on point with everything.

[395] To be honest, it's down to me my misses a lot as well.

[396] She looks after me. She goes out and works hard all day, but whenever I get in from gym, about 7, 8 o 'clock, there's healthy food there for me and stuff.

[397] What kind of food do you eat?

[398] Do you specify?

[399] Not real.

[400] A lot of people cut out carbs and stuff.

[401] I'm training so hard and I'm sweating all day and burning so much calories in my PTs and stuff.

[402] I don't need to cut out my carbs.

[403] That's a big factor.

[404] People need to understand that when they're talking about low carb diets.

[405] It really depended upon how much exercise you do.

[406] If you're running twice a day and you're doing three -hour workouts in the afternoon, like you're going to need some carbohydrates.

[407] Yeah, exactly.

[408] I don't need to cut them out.

[409] Even in the last week, a lot of people would say, oh, last week, fight camp, waiting's coming up.

[410] I need to cut my cows out.

[411] but I'll still get up in the morning and have a massive bowl of porridge.

[412] I'll still have rice for my dinner and my fish in my salad and stuff like that, as well.

[413] I don't need to cut it out.

[414] But like I said, that's down to how much work I'm doing and stuff like that.

[415] The amount you're burning.

[416] I mean, Jesus Christ, the amount of calories, you must be burning.

[417] It's insane.

[418] I had my watch on over the day and I think I'd done something like almost nearly 5 ,000 or something ridiculous.

[419] And I wore it all day from my training and my PTs and stuff like that.

[420] That's insane.

[421] Just think about eating 5 ,000 calories.

[422] Yeah, exactly.

[423] You can't.

[424] Yeah, yeah.

[425] You can't.

[426] yeah that's crazy so with you do you limit the amount of personal training you do because as the fight gets close i imagine um if i'm not got a fight coming up i'll only train once a day just to keep sharp and keep on top top of my game um i might be to do seven seven hours like no problem and um but as a fight gets closer and cross i'll cut down and cut down and cut down because obviously i don't want my body being tired i need to be i've got a lot to lose every time i fight.

[427] Right.

[428] I've got, I'm like, I'm, like, this is a brand now with these seminars and stuff as well, so I need to make sure I'm going in there as on point as I can be.

[429] So you think about it that way.

[430] You don't think about, you think about it as like, you're basically a business.

[431] Yeah, yeah, of course, yeah.

[432] And I've got a lot, I've got a lot riding on it every time I fight.

[433] I think that has been for a long time now.

[434] I mean, like, all the country gets behind me, but there's a lot of players out there as well.

[435] They want to see me lose, and they love it when I lose.

[436] Tell me who they are.

[437] I'll run them down with your boat.

[438] well there's no getting around that man if you're doing well there's going to be people exactly and a lot of it really they just hate themselves that's really what it is i mean reception is protection well yeah what it is is is they see someone who's out there is exceptional and it makes them compare their own life to this guy who's out there smashing everybody with 108 fights and they go fuck that guy he's a like i put a video on me kicking the pads the other day and some i got about four or five well i've probably got loads more on that actually But there were four or five comments that I noticed They're saying, kicking that wrong.

[439] I thought, I'd just click on the profile, just have a look at them.

[440] They're all just selfies of himself eating chocolate bars and one of them with a dog.

[441] They're all about 175 kilos.

[442] Someone told you that you're kicking wrong.

[443] That is hilarious.

[444] We put a video up the other day.

[445] I was holding boxing pads for Liam while he's out here.

[446] I just hold boxing pads.

[447] I saw that.

[448] And someone said, yeah, you drop in your left hand.

[449] I was like, all right, then thanks fucking Gregor Ray Leonard.

[450] If you ever have a fight, you're going to get knocked out.

[451] Oh, God.

[452] If I ever have a fight.

[453] as a hundred and ninth fight it's just hilarious that some would actually say to you that you're kicking wrong like if anybody all my friends out there that get flustered by people criticizing them on social media I want to point them to that Liam fucking Harrison someone's telling him he's kicking wrong that makes me want to cry laughing so hard that's how fucking stupid some people are but that just shows you that when you have an open forum where anyone can comment.

[454] Anyone can say something, you're going to run into a certain amount of those people.

[455] There's just no getting around it.

[456] Yeah, definitely.

[457] You just can't look at the comments.

[458] You know, you can't read that shit.

[459] You just get assassinated from all corners.

[460] Well, the thing is, those people, they might not even mean what they're saying.

[461] They just, they're, it's verbal diarrhea.

[462] They're just angry, they're upset.

[463] The thing is, though, even if I looked at someone's video and I thought their technique won't on point or anything like that, I wouldn't even go on and write yet.

[464] I mean, Right, of course.

[465] You'll give you the right to go on and, like, try and put someone down and put in something.

[466] Do you know what I mean?

[467] It's just, it's...

[468] Well, this is what I'm going to say.

[469] Vinny!

[470] Yeah, have you seen it?

[471] Of course, if there's a competitor or someone like that, and, you know, if maybe someone's getting undue accolades.

[472] Yeah.

[473] And you're like, that ain't shit, you know, or if someone you're supposed to fight.

[474] But not when you're, like, 420 pounds, sat around and just eating burgers all day.

[475] It's ridiculous, do you know what I mean?

[476] But it can eat more than you, though.

[477] It's a good point.

[478] Maybe.

[479] Maybe not.

[480] You have 5 ,000 fucking calories, man. And, you know, I've sit down with some fighters and you watch them eat and you're like, where the fuck is all that going?

[481] You know?

[482] I mean, there's very few things in life that burn off more cowards than throwing kicks, you know, especially the way you throw them.

[483] And like that, this amount of fucking energy you're generating.

[484] Yeah, I mean, when I'm on the pods and stuff, every training session I put 100 % in, especially when I'm on the pods.

[485] Your pad work is fucking awesome to watch.

[486] It's very inspirational.

[487] It's very fun.

[488] Obviously, as well with that, that's just a little clip of what I'm doing on the pads.

[489] I mean, my old pad work isn't just me to try, well, sometimes it's just me trying to smash the pads to pieces, but obviously there's a lot more technical aspects to it.

[490] That's just like a little clipper.

[491] I'll look through what someone's feeling.

[492] Like, oh, that was good.

[493] So I'll put it up.

[494] But obviously, there's bits where Richard's stopping me and putting me right at what I'm doing wrong technique, working the game plan and stuff like there.

[495] Obviously, just little snippets that I just put up with me doing things wrong, apparently.

[496] But obviously there's aspiring and all the different technical side to it as well as that work.

[497] I mean, that is like my style, but I don't fight totally just like that, just smash, smash, smash.

[498] Have you got to be smart about it?

[499] Especially at the level of fighter.

[500] If I just started smashing things like that, I'm just going to walk onto a shot.

[501] That level, it's going to be game over.

[502] Yeah, there's no way.

[503] Now, do you, in between fights, do you train with people that have other styles or different styles, like maybe some Kiyokishin guys or someone who's doing something different?

[504] I train a lot of MMA fighters at the minute.

[505] I've got quite a lot guys coming to me I've been doing a bit of work with Mark Diakisi from the UFC He's been training me a little bit He's out in Florida now training there There's a gym in Leeds where I'm from called AVT It's like a real hotbed Some Topper MMA guys out there I've got a young kid called Louis Lee Scott 17 years old 7 and O in MMA He'd been doing Muitai But he's going to be an absolute superstar in MMA No doubt His style what he's got going on He's so good because he's got the stand -up that we work but we found like a medium to pull it into the MMA so his eyes are on point his movements on point but he still finds himself in the positions to land the multi -strikes with all that power so generate the power and still be out of there fast enough and quick enough not to be getting taken down and losing balance and falling all over place so watch out for him is going to be definitely he's just signed with MTK which is Mac the Knife Global which I'm going to be working with they've got boxes so I work with the mind side of that so they're getting onto it now but they've also gone into the MMA side.

[506] Till's signed with them as well.

[507] Yeah, Darren Till.

[508] So they've signed them too.

[509] They've got boxes.

[510] They've got Billy Joe Saunders who I know you like and Tyson Fury and blah, blah, blah, but they've also got an MMA side run by Kieran Kettle.

[511] And yeah, they've just signed Louis.

[512] Louis is exceptional.

[513] Well, the UFC's now coming to Liverpool and Darren Till's going to be in the headline.

[514] But he doesn't have a fight yet.

[515] Correct.

[516] Nothing confirmed yet, no. I'm hoping it's going to be Usman.

[517] They're talking, Camaro Usman and him are going back and forth on Twitter.

[518] That guy gets no love.

[519] Camaro Usman, 7 and 0 in the U. UFC smashes everybody, everybody's scared of him.

[520] Nobody calls him out.

[521] I'm pretty sure Till will be scared of him.

[522] He'd love it, Till, won't he?

[523] Yeah, Till's, they've been going back and forth.

[524] I think Till's the guy for him.

[525] Yeah, definitely what fight I'll be.

[526] And stand -up -wise, Till has a massive advantage.

[527] And then on the ground, Usman should have an advantage.

[528] So it's a very interesting fight.

[529] Usman's a fucking tank, too.

[530] That guy's a fucking animal.

[531] Yeah, I've not seen too much of him, but...

[532] It's because everybody's scared of him.

[533] They can't get fights.

[534] Well, there you go.

[535] Usman is a fucking stud I mean that guy is no joke He's like There's very few people calling that guy out Yeah but Till'll be loving that Oh yeah Till's the one that's calling him out Yeah there you go He thrives on stuff like I've known Darren since he were 16 years old And we used to be used to train together like Muay back and they used to come over to my gym My company with his coach And we used to work together and I'd pad to work him And he's always had that attitude And never been scared of anyone Always I've been like yeah whatever bring it on Bring it on I believe him there hasn't been a single guy the UFC with one fight that's got as much hype as that guy you know one fight fights cowboys smashes him I mean you see what he did the cowboy yeah well everyone know then he's real the real deal as well then he's always been special he's one of these kids like when I seen him growing up he's one of these kids that he just comes and he's special and I mean the city's behind him everyone because he comes to our gym when I train four corners to him with John Gillies and ballie and all them and Mick and Allen and he tries down there sticks his head in but he doesn't train but I haven't train there but he comes and sees us and he's a great guy but But his coach, Colin Herron, I grew up with kind of, because I was trained with Thai gold master skinner, and we used to do demos and stuff, because believe it or not, I used to be all right.

[536] And Colin was always a little bit better.

[537] And since then, he's got Carl Bonn, Jim, and he's had UFC fighters from Liverpool, but now he's got this star in Darren.

[538] And the whole city, it gets, a bit like him in Leeds, they just get swamped by people.

[539] Now, is this when Darren was fighting Moy Thai that he became popular?

[540] Yeah, well, they fought Muay Thai, didn't he ever?

[541] He were always like one of the most naturally talented kids you would ever see.

[542] He's with Simon Audley than a different coach.

[543] He used to come down to our gym and he'd have a fight coming up.

[544] And he would just be wiping the floor with everyone.

[545] He didn't even really train hard back then either.

[546] He used to come down.

[547] He was a young kid.

[548] He'd mess around.

[549] He'd run riot and didn't really hardly train but still turn up, fight and win.

[550] Since then, someone with that natural talent, he's now got that dedication, that hard work.

[551] So someone who's that naturally talented and who's going to work that hard.

[552] That's going to be a force to the record.

[553] Yeah, forced to be reckoned with.

[554] When he stepped in and caught Cowboy with that left elbow, you see that fight?

[555] He stepped in and just, just drove up that elbow and smashed Cowboy's nose.

[556] You're like, wow, that was fast.

[557] Cut Stinson so quick as well.

[558] But Colin, he's trainer, he was a, he trained Mudaquan, is it?

[559] Taekwondo.

[560] Yeah, he was like Blackbell at 11 or something like that.

[561] And, you know, he's just, Colin takes no bullshit.

[562] You know, Colin just says that's the way.

[563] It's a bit like Richard.

[564] that's the way it is that's what you've got to do that's what you're doing and since Darren's had that influence in his life like Liam said and obviously the story about him going Brazil he's just been another level what makes a guy naturally talented like you take a guy like Darren Till like when you say naturally talented like what is about a guy like that that just picks things up quicker I don't know it's hard to explain some people just walk into a bad company gym and they'll have two free lessons and they'll just be able to they'll have that flow the movement, the rhythm and stuff like that.

[565] Darren were like that.

[566] Ever since, I remember when he first started.

[567] I remember his coach saying, I've got this kid, you need to see him.

[568] You need to come and look at him.

[569] Southport.

[570] Should see him kick.

[571] He's only been training in a few months.

[572] And when I saw him, I were like, he looks like he's a season pro, five, six years of training.

[573] We've had plenty of walking nage him at bad company, and they'll come in, they'll have a few fights, and they're like, it's all right this.

[574] But as soon as it gets hard and the level steps up and they realize how hard they have to work to actually compete at that level, that's the end of them.

[575] You don't really see him anymore.

[576] and it's like the biggest waste of talent you've ever seen we've had plenty of war for our gym is not many talent's not enough no not when you get to that level it is to a certain level when you can get yourself out of jail but when the level steps up and everyone's working hard and people who are as talent as you are working hard then that's when you're going to be in trouble that's why Darren's gone off and done what he's done that's why and shown what he's all about there's this class my youngest daughter she's seven she takes a martial arts takes this mixed martial arts class there's this five -year -old in this class and they're doing drills in their bag and I'm watching this five -year -old kick the bag he's got his hands up high he's moving like this da -da bang turns the hip over perfect even his switch kick and I'm watching this five -year -old and I went over to his parents and I went if I was a strike if I was like a coach that was looking to recruit a fighter at a young age I grabbed that fucking kid like that kid's special like there's something that he figured out at five At five, all the other kids, you're looking at all the other kids in the class, they're flailing their arms all over the place, they're kicking up, they're bail.

[577] This fucking kid is like this.

[578] His hands are glued right below his eyes, like bang, bang, crack, bang, crack.

[579] At five!

[580] Our kids class at Bad Company, I don't like training upstairs at the same time when they're on because all the technique is so good.

[581] It's embarrassing sometimes.

[582] You look at them all and you think like from 6 to 12, these are amazing.

[583] But like I say, it's only the ones that really want it, who were really willing to put the other work in, we'll go from the next level, and the next level, because a lot drop off, no matter how talented, there are not a lot of people like having to go to that place where you need to go to get to a good level.

[584] Yeah, he doesn't like people watching them when he can't do things well either.

[585] Like when he's learning things, he likes to go over in the corner and practice things on his own.

[586] It's very interesting.

[587] You watch someone who's just got like a special inclination towards something.

[588] There's a kid called Shea Williams from Liverpool and all the bloke to talk about is eight.

[589] Eight.

[590] I'm friends with his dad, Mick.

[591] Eight.

[592] Yeah, it's eight.

[593] Everyone's talking about an eight -year -old.

[594] All these guys, you know, these big so strong, like, all right, me, fuck, and have you seen that kids?

[595] He's fucking brilliant, that eight years of age.

[596] Lovely kid, but he's just one of these kids that can do everything.

[597] Look, Dad, I can balance on one hand.

[598] I'll tell you what the best video on YouTube is that we saw the other day as well, them two young, the black American kids.

[599] Oh, my God.

[600] The boxing coaches.

[601] The kid's amazing.

[602] Did you see that?

[603] And the coach, and what he was saying, the one old in the pad.

[604] He was right.

[605] He knows more than most boxing trainers have ever seen in my life.

[606] And he's like five years old.

[607] Yeah, exactly.

[608] And the hands speed.

[609] Unbelievable.

[610] Amazing.

[611] Brilliant.

[612] Best video I've seen all year.

[613] Absolutely amazing.

[614] Yeah, whoever fucks with that kid in school.

[615] Yeah, they're in trouble.

[616] That's a big problem.

[617] Maybe it's that kid that's sent that thing saying you drop of your left hand.

[618] If it is him, you better fucking listen up.

[619] I'm sorry.

[620] Yeah, you better listen up, man. You're getting hated on by six -year -olds.

[621] It's, I think it's interesting today, too, as opposed to in the past that you can, you can.

[622] watch videos like that and then you know before you'd have to like watch a VHS tape and sit down and analyze it and pause it like now you could be at a fucking bus stop on your phone and you could watch world -class fighters instantly instantly the thing with the thing with that is as well though the with the internet as well as being out watch world -class fighters instantly here's a kid what look at that's his dad I guess look at that fucking technique unbelievable look it's incredible he ducks under I mean everything block and punches fucking amazing man look at that it goes to the body that's crazy I mean he looks like he's four that's a different kid that's an even tinier kid yeah very impressive but yeah the thing with the internet as well though what's starting to happen now though a lot in especially in the UK people who say right we try to match a show right we've got a guy here he's had free fights your guy's had free fights let's match him and they go oh no give me his name I need to search him on YouTube and he searches Facebook and he searched this so as well as being a blessing It's a curse for stuff like that because back when I start fighting I would say Richard had just got on me I'd walk in the gym Richard go you're fighting on Saturday this might be on Wednesday I go all right And then that would turn up Saturday you have your fight but now it's like I want to know his name He's gym What's his Facebook Isn't that a badge of courage too To be able to do that Like that's something that people would always admire Like a guy that would come into the gym And someone would say Would you like to fight this weekend They go fuck yeah Yeah martini man anytime anywhere Yeah let's do it Yeah I mean that that is what you're here for Everyone and our gym's always been like that Well, I'm sure it trickles down Yeah, gosh, from Richard Yeah, from you guys We've got a big junior circuit now With Yonkow, we've got Yonkow next generation How do you feel about that About little kids fighting?

[623] They don't fight contact No head contact Just like kicks, body kicks Yeah, so it makes them more skilled does that Yeah, a lot more skilled Oh for sure Low kick, push kicks and everything I mean some of the kids we've got We got another kid They can't head kick either No, just strictly body We got some kids from like From Richard's two sons Yeah, Finley and Ferg Yeah, and we got Joe Ryan.

[624] Joe Ryan.

[625] What year?

[626] What year do you let him?

[627] Well, Joe Ryan's just 13.

[628] He's just fought pro in Thailand and knocked out, and I think an 18 -year -old Thai boy.

[629] Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[630] He fought pro in Thailand when he's 13.

[631] Last week.

[632] Oh, my God.

[633] There's video on YouTube.

[634] Play the fuck for his parents.

[635] They were there with him, but this kid is his special.

[636] He's taller than me. He's 13.

[637] He's taller than me. He fights at about 59, 60 kilos.

[638] I've done a lot of work with him one -to -one as well.

[639] His dad has done an amazing job with him.

[640] Is that about, is he unbeat?

[641] In 36 fights?

[642] He was unbeaten in 36 fights and he's 13.

[643] I think you lost in the IFMAs in Russia, yeah.

[644] Against a kid that was like 16 and they weighed four kilos heavier.

[645] They got another kid called Riley Smith, Jonathan Haggerty.

[646] We've got some kids.

[647] Keep this thing close to your face.

[648] Sorry, sorry.

[649] We've got some right kids that are coming through.

[650] Jonathan Hagety, who's just been on Yockeye, who's just been on Yonkaw, special.

[651] That 20 years old beat a great fighter, veteran called Keefe.

[652] Now, what kind of program do you have for these young kids?

[653] Do you have classes based on age groups?

[654] Do you have classes based on weight classes?

[655] Or do you just have kids classes?

[656] Well, at Bad Company Gym, the kids' classes, six to 12 -year -old.

[657] There's about 40 or 50 sometimes in our kids' classes.

[658] And there'll be about three or four of the instructors taking it.

[659] Fighters all all be up in the ring, fight training, intermediate, to be in the middle, beginners down at the end.

[660] So everyone's got someone catering for them, helping them bring through.

[661] All the fighters are working together.

[662] Watching them, it's just like watching the mini version of all our fighters upstairs.

[663] It's class to watch sometimes.

[664] I like just going and watching them all training and sparring with each other and clinching and helping each other.

[665] And then a lot of them will stay behind after the class and really, you know, putting the extra hours and the extra work.

[666] And it's good watching sometimes you'll see someone come in their gym and they'll walk in right shy.

[667] And then I look at them again two months later and I'll see him on the pads going, bam, bam, bam!

[668] And he's like looking around and going, yeah, see that.

[669] See that?

[670] See that?

[671] It's a class watching that happened, you know what I mean?

[672] And you see him going through from being like walking at gym being a shy little seven, eight -year -old boy.

[673] and then smashing the pads and having the first fight our junior team is so good because obviously we've got Richard and Lisa training them but my cousin Andy is also a five -time world champion he's doing PTs with a lot of them Joe Craven's only like 19 years old but he's so good with the kids as well so they've got a wealth of experience and like I say they're all just going back back bab and then next minute they're up there fighting and just smashing it and I think we've got we had 18 fights for our junior team last week and I think we won someone like 16 No, I'd asked you earlier when we were working out together, you've never really considered fighting MMA.

[674] No. Like I say, it took me a long time to get where I am in Muay Thai.

[675] And let's be honest, who's going to stand up in front of me if I had to go in a ring?

[676] I'd have to get my ground game, so I'm so good.

[677] Right.

[678] It's taking a long time.

[679] And to be honest, I'm really enjoying, I love Muay.

[680] I love fighting Muay Thai.

[681] And I think you can only be good at summer that you're passionate about.

[682] If I got in there and I thought, well, I'll do this because there's a lot of money involved in it.

[683] That wouldn't be where I am.

[684] I fight Muay Thai because I absolutely love it.

[685] Your style, though, is it really interesting?

[686] It would apply very well to MMA.

[687] When I'm teaching the MMA fighters that I do train, I think I have got that good medium of all the strike he needs to be and without getting taken down and off balancing yourself.

[688] I'm not arrogant enough to go in there and say, right, Muay, you need to do this in MMA.

[689] You need to fight like a tie and do that.

[690] I'm not arrogant enough.

[691] I know there has to be changes, and I think I do spot that well, and it does work with the fighters I train but like I say I love fighting Muay Thai that's where my heart is and maybe if someone came over and said no there's loads of money do you want to maybe yeah but like I'm I'm a stand -up fighter right so have you done any wrestling or jiu jitsu or anything of that?

[692] I haven't know um I've always been so concentrating on my Muay Thai fight career I'm always booked out all year I don't really get I thought about it before doing it with AVT with Danny Mitchell but I'm booked out when fights I've got July, August, October, November.

[693] You're already booked.

[694] I'm booked out all right to end of the year.

[695] So you do that, that many fights in advance?

[696] Yeah, yeah.

[697] That's very different than, like, boxing.

[698] Yeah, a year and a half in advance.

[699] A year and a half in advance.

[700] Wow.

[701] No kidding.

[702] It's all boats pencilled in, so I'm not going to have no time anyway, because I need to stay on top of my own training, just so I'm ready to go from one fight to the next.

[703] And if you get injured?

[704] I obviously, I have to pull out.

[705] I got to pull out.

[706] I brought my foot in my last fight in Paris in December.

[707] I brought my foot, split my shin.

[708] And I couldn't fight in March.

[709] I meant to fight two weeks ago, but obviously I couldn't do that when injuries are part of the sport.

[710] Are you back to kicking things now?

[711] I'm back kicking 100 % and back.

[712] As soon as I get back home, I'll be back in camp ready to go in July.

[713] That's impressive three months later.

[714] You're throwing hard kicks?

[715] Yeah, yeah.

[716] Now, when you started working with Vinnie, what was the big difference?

[717] Like, what's the big difference in doing this mind coaching and, like, what have you noticed an improvement in?

[718] My awareness.

[719] Like, the stuff with the hack allow that we're on about, and the anchoring it, your awareness increases so much.

[720] When you anchor, what are you thinking?

[721] When you touch, when you smash your gloves together at the beginning of the fight?

[722] I'm sure everyone, it'll be different.

[723] What I'm doing is that when I'm pushing my gloves together, all the stuff we've worked on, like the hackle out, the awareness, everything's all just coming into me. The warrior, it sticks with me. That word will always stick with me after we've worked before.

[724] I'm sure people have worked with him and got different stuff that they're anchoring.

[725] Well, that's what I'm anchoring.

[726] When you say anchoring, would you...

[727] Bringing it in and bringing it all back into here, all the stuff that we've worked on.

[728] Like, when we did the Anoat fight, the warrior stuff, we also had another fight against Andre Coulbin.

[729] I got wrought off by everyone in this fight.

[730] He'd been to England twice before.

[731] He knocked out two of our top guys in the weight above me. So I stepped up in wait to fight him, and I went and did a bit of work with Vinny then.

[732] And there were a few key words that we said then.

[733] One of them were visible damage.

[734] And what were the other one?

[735] Hot knife through butter.

[736] Hot knife through butter.

[737] Because I said to him, Hot knife through butter.

[738] Hot knife through butter.

[739] So you guys in your goddamn accents, would you learn how to speak American English?

[740] Jesus.

[741] Hot knife of butter.

[742] So what I'd said, what I'd said, I'm an actual American I am.

[743] That's pretty good.

[744] What I'd said to Vinny is, I said, I don't just want to beat this guy.

[745] I said everyone's driving me off.

[746] I said, I want to smash him to absolute smithereens.

[747] He told me the game plan.

[748] He told me the game plan.

[749] He already told me what he was going to do with Andre.

[750] I told everyone I were going to win, and no one believe me. Yeah, and then, but I, obviously, because, you know, if you didn't mention it, I'm his biggest fan.

[751] And what we did, I did a CD for him.

[752] So I said, listen to this CD before you go to bed.

[753] So I recorded this CD.

[754] And it was weird because I, again, I was commenting, thankfully on it was on the main event, wasn't it?

[755] And I was watching it.

[756] And it was like playing a video game because it was just like, lo -kick, bang.

[757] It was just like, and everything that I, and all the thing that I said, kind of cheating in it, really?

[758] I was like, it's like a hot knife through bottom.

[759] He went, bang.

[760] And he just, I mean, if you ever see it, the absolutely destroyed Kulabin.

[761] and Kulabin is a legendary fighter from Belarus and it was just it went down Yeah, every time I kicked him I could see how erating him and that's what were coming into my head and again it's weird It's hard to explain unless you actually do work with him but yeah it works again perfect I know what worked perfect And that one worked perfect and that one What was the game plan that people didn't believe I said to everyone I said I'm going to stop him in three rounds And because I were moving up in way And because he knocked out two other top fighters in England From that way He knocked out in Michael Dix's in first round and I think he stopped him in Rand Kahn as well And I told everyone I were going to stop him I said his legs His legs too straight I said I'm going to smash his leg I'm going to stop him with low kicks And I said it'll be like a hot knife Rubotter And I stopped him in round three With low kicks Now when you were creating this CD For him Like what was the goal What was your objective?

[762] He told me what he was going to do So I reaffirmed it So we did like a trans thing Where you go into You know you lead anyone into an induction And then just played out the fight in his mind, telling him the specifics of what he told me and how he speaks, because you have to use their language back to them if I said, you know, something that's not in their vocabulary.

[763] Obviously, I'm not saying you'd think.

[764] But I am.

[765] Smacking wall.

[766] So he got to add lots of like, you know, what he told me into the CD.

[767] So it went in.

[768] It works.

[769] I've never done it before.

[770] It was a gamble.

[771] I just thought, you know what?

[772] you know, when it all costs.

[773] It seems like you could probably do that for a lot of people, right?

[774] I mean, different things that you're trying to work on if you could just like listen to it and like in your, like on your earbuds or something like that when you do other things?

[775] Yeah, of course.

[776] And you know, I've been, I have people now who work with me for a year.

[777] Like clients that want to work me for a year, they pay me for a year and they just want to ring me and talk about stuff.

[778] It's become like a real dot sort of different than hypotherapy and just being a therapist in just, in that sort of way but yeah it's possible and look I the reason why we're doing this is because number one I've said he's my friend but number two what we do works it's not these are tried and tested he's eight times world champion I'm his mind coach you know obviously he's got a great coach in Richard and everybody but what we do works and people have started to see the benefits the feedback we've got from like San Diego boxing club you know Artem and Jesse and all them it's been mind blowing hasn't it Well, there's definitely good states of mind to go into anything that's difficult, and again, fighting is one of the most difficult things, and then there's bad states of mind, and those states of mind can determine the outcome.

[779] And just to have something that you can get to in your mind, it can put you on the right path, like when you were saying, Warrior, or Hakalau, like are these anchors that you're doing, like these different things.

[780] Like, I feel like these are applicable for every day life, too.

[781] Exactly.

[782] That this is something that people could really benefit from.

[783] Like, to just, to, instead of just being, like, random and wild with your thoughts and your ideas going into something and hoping that you have a good point of view and a good perspective, instead of that, like, have these clear paths that you've already thought through.

[784] Yeah, I mean, your mind has to, your mind has to have a clear set.

[785] Yeah.

[786] It has to know a way to go.

[787] Think of it like a Tom Tom Tom.

[788] or a sat -nav, you point that in that direction, and that's the roads it's going to take you to.

[789] If you put in the wrong, say you type someone in Illinois and you're driving around Los Angeles looking for it, you're not going to find it.

[790] So we have to be specific.

[791] And what I do is I try and get my programs that I do, various programs that I do, is I have to get what the client wants.

[792] And then once I get the client wants, I put that in, but then I find out what's getting in their way through the language.

[793] They kind of language it wrong.

[794] You know, they say, I want this and say, yeah, but you're saying that.

[795] It's a, I love the job.

[796] It's such a blessing to be able, and I'm not being all, you know, roasting in glasses, and I absolutely love my job.

[797] I love people, like the people with the feedback, if I've had of getting messages, saying, I feel different, I'm happier.

[798] There's no better job in the world, not at all.

[799] Well, I mean, you know better than anybody that as a fighter, the way you think and your mindset, that affects your training, it affects your outcome, it affects how you feel in between trainings.

[800] It's like and then absolutely affects the way you fight.

[801] Yeah, cause it does.

[802] I mean, I reckon like I mentioned earlier, I reckon I've lost fights on points because my mindset's been wrong going into it thinking, right, this is going to be an absolute war, this.

[803] And I've gone in there thinking, right, I'm ready for war, I'm ready for this, and I've got outpointed because I've gone in there thinking that.

[804] If I'd have gone in there maybe a bit more relaxed, sharper, on point, I'd have been playing the game.

[805] But I wanted.

[806] I'd adjust it.

[807] But I didn't.

[808] But I thought, you know what I mean?

[809] Like you just said, it happens.

[810] But if you are on point, if you are on point, point with your mind that needs to be as strong as your body like I said before you can never ever be too well prepared that's why I've gone to Vinny and I have used him and it has worked for me in massive massive massive fights do you meditate at all I do the Wim off method again we love Wim off viny and John Viny and Jordan show me about that I remember I saw Jordan doing it one time before I fight I say no what you're doing then he told me Wim off so you have to Vinay what it was and then I started with the cold showers every morning the breathing and again I've seen massive changes in that in like my heart rate and that is absolutely amazing how that works his resting pulse rate was 31 no Jordan's were 31 mine was 32 fuck drag you missed it by a beat yeah that one beat is everything I went to Wim's house luckily I know because I work for infusion and they did a little bit of a documentary on him and I went with Mohammed Kamal who I know really well great guy and we went to his house and we went in the frozen water and all that sort of stuff and then I started following doing this stuff and I've seen him on your show twice um he's it's like like a Jedi ain't he he's brilliant there's something about him his his perspective is and his enthusiasm is not it's not just infectious it's like it changes you yeah it does like he changes the way you think about yeah I want to meet him I definitely want to he's awesome I'll hook that up I'll hook that up yeah I would absolutely love that have you done cryotherapy at all i have yeah um a friend in liverpool doc um he's got one i've whenever i've not had a real obviously my body gets for a lot of wear and tear holding holding pads takes a lot out of you yeah especially when you've got to train twice as well on top of that your fucking forearms right yeah yeah yeah i'm up my back and obviously if i'm sparring my legs a bit up yeah yeah yeah yeah i got fucking elbows and forearms yeah exactly i get stiff and after an hard week of training and i do need that so i go over to liverpool and i jump in there I always come out feeding like a million books all the time.

[811] No, I love it.

[812] I love it.

[813] What about isolation tanks?

[814] Have you done sensory deprivation tanks?

[815] No, I've never done that.

[816] I got one here.

[817] You want to try it?

[818] Hell yeah.

[819] How much time do you got?

[820] We've got enough time?

[821] You got a time?

[822] Beautiful.

[823] You'll get bored.

[824] Let me out of board.

[825] No, no. You want, man, you think that.

[826] You go in as long as you want.

[827] All right.

[828] I have one right out of here.

[829] I fucking love it, man. It's amazing.

[830] He's on all sorts now.

[831] Since we've come to California, we've got a feel supreme.

[832] Our mates from Mike.

[833] that Mattie Murphy's got him on CBD oil.

[834] He's doing all that.

[835] CBD's great.

[836] Hair follicle things and stuff.

[837] Really great with CBDs is this fucking, I don't have it here.

[838] I left it in my car.

[839] I have this lotion, CBD lotion.

[840] You apply it topically where you got like bruises or inflammation.

[841] I'm not trying that yet.

[842] Great, man. But I got a test done by, yeah, yeah.

[843] I got a test done by my sponsors, like they took all the hair follicles out of me. They tested him all and so they could test what I should be eating, what's food's good for me. Hair follicles.

[844] Hair follicle test.

[845] Yeah, like the proper sent it off to the lab And they tested it all And it came back Why would they test that and not blood or?

[846] I'm not sure I'm no idea how it works But they came back and they said Right, this is what you should eat This is what you shouldn't eat If this is in your diet Try taking it out Because this is causing Like some disruption here and stuff It really interesting What kind of stuff are they saying Causes, this might be horseshit Um Right Checking your hair What about your toenails They check your toenails Certain different fruits and stuff Like they were saying Like raspberries and nuts And stuff Were causing some sort of disruption In my diet Huh That it'd be better if I took them out.

[847] Olmonds.

[848] I went to one of those places and they told me to stop eating avocados.

[849] I'm like, get the fuck out of it.

[850] There's not wrong with avocados.

[851] You guys are quarks.

[852] I like avocados are great for you.

[853] It's like what are the best foods you can eat?

[854] I'm like, what?

[855] Avocado?

[856] Fuck out of here.

[857] I just want to say.

[858] We've been here for a couple of weeks now, right?

[859] The coolest thing I've seen is how the fuck did you hit that target?

[860] I just blew my mind that.

[861] I could not believe it.

[862] Oh, the archery target?

[863] That was amazing.

[864] Well, I do it every day You are Robin Hood You're from fucking Nottingham Get over and kill the sheriff 45 yards and to hit that little small hole like that Is not difficult Yeah, you're just done up training session as well So you'd have had a bit of a shake Yeah, you were sweating But I just broke the record of kicking that pad So I was excited Hell yeah That's what it was we were there We got on film We got on film luckily We were a little concerned We had a spliced sound from the other one Because Yeah we had more than one recording of it, luckily, but that thing that Francis and Gano punched that almost as hard as I kicked that.

[865] That's how fucking hard that...

[866] Oh, here it is right here.

[867] Francis punched that fucking thing almost as hard as...

[868] Where's 152?

[869] That's the highest anyone's...

[870] That's the highest anybody's ever registered on that thing.

[871] Someone will break it.

[872] I mean, I don't think that many people are kicking that thing.

[873] Yeah, but not a lot of them around.

[874] Yeah, but not today.

[875] It's a day, bitch.

[876] I got that.

[877] But, yeah, that archery thing, man, it's the same thing as, like, today, when you were showing me different things, like, you guys showing me just a little bit of an adjustment change the power of that kick, just that little extra.

[878] Yeah, it's all body mechanics.

[879] Every strike, every sweep, everything I teach is always body mechanics, and just like that little bit extra, it's the same thing with archery.

[880] With archery, it's all about posture and form, and you've got to have your elbow up high, and everything has to be perfect and you're pulling with your back.

[881] I mean, there's a lot of parallels between archery and fighting.

[882] Yeah, but you just went, didn't he?

[883] Yeah, picked it up, bump, don't it?

[884] Because I just watched the arrow, and it just went, shit, you don't need to fight.

[885] But I do, like, again, I do that every day.

[886] It's amazing.

[887] You know, I shoot arrows every day.

[888] And that's 45 yards in my house.

[889] I do 90 yards.

[890] Yeah?

[891] Yeah.

[892] So, so it's, that's about as far as I'd shoot an animal, though, it's 45 yards.

[893] Like, maybe I'd shoot, a pig or something that nobody gave a shit about.

[894] Like, let's shoot it like 70 yards.

[895] Stuff that we and got in England.

[896] Yeah.

[897] You lucky you don't have them in England, man. We've got problems with them here.

[898] What pig problems?

[899] Oh, they're fucking, they're invasive species.

[900] They're crazy and they breed three, four times a year.

[901] They'll have like 10, 12 pigs a litter.

[902] Planet of the pigs?

[903] Yeah.

[904] Three or four times, yeah, sounds like my life.

[905] Man, I'm telling.

[906] Happy birthday for tomorrow, Lisa, by the way.

[907] Oh, sweetie.

[908] You got to, um, there's videos of pigs in Texas.

[909] Texas is so bad that they opened up a highway, and the day they opened it, they built this highway, and the day they opened it, there was something like 40 car accidents with pigs.

[910] The people were driving by, the pigs were running across the road, and they're just slamming them into it.

[911] There are millions of pigs in Texas, millions.

[912] Well, they're an invasive species.

[913] They were brought over here in California by William Randolph Hurst.

[914] You know that crazy guy that Orson Wells made that movie Rosebud about?

[915] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[916] He's also the reason why marijuana is illegal over here, too.

[917] He made those propaganda articles blaming marijuana for causing Mexicans and blacks to rape white women.

[918] It was this crazy propaganda, but it was also that he didn't have to switch his factories over to hemp because they had come out with a new machine called a decorticator that allowed them to process hemp fiber.

[919] Hemp just makes a way better paper.

[920] And he had all these paper mills and all these forests that were dedicated to trees they would make paper out of.

[921] And so when they came out with this decorticator, they're like, well, hemp, the new industry he was like yeah the fuck it is and so he this crazy asshole like literally is the reason why marijuana is so illegal and demonized not just in America but around the world and he let a bunch of fucking wild pigs loose on his he has this gigantic estate these fucking things are everywhere bro this ain't shit I mean these look more like domestic pigs looks like a nightclub in Leeds does that these are domestic pigs bro Jamie these are not these are not wild pigs yeah it's shut down a freeway in Texas Oh, you know what it is, though?

[922] That's a, like, a truck fell over.

[923] Yeah, yeah, they were inside it.

[924] Yeah, but those are like regular pigs.

[925] In Bhutan.

[926] Wild pigs would never be around a person like that.

[927] They would fucking be out of there.

[928] In Bhutan, they, is that a country called Bhutan, and I've heard that they feed pigs, cannabis, the cannabis, right?

[929] Sure.

[930] Probably tastes good.

[931] But it does.

[932] Make them delicious bacon.

[933] Get you high as fuck.

[934] And then when you get drug tested like Canelo, you go, it's because it's good at pizza.

[935] So you guys don't believe Canello with the clembuterol?

[936] I don't know.

[937] I just love Gigi, don't we?

[938] Yeah, we're...

[939] Two Gigi's like the Lord to us.

[940] But you've got to appreciate Canello as well, right?

[941] I mean, Cannell's a bad, motherfucker.

[942] Yeah, he's a great fighter.

[943] But I just...

[944] I can't see...

[945] I can't see you pass to Gigi win this time.

[946] Yeah, well, I think Gigi won the first time.

[947] Yeah, I do.

[948] I think he was nervous.

[949] The first fight.

[950] Triple G?

[951] Really?

[952] Why do you think he was that?

[953] First, pay -per -view fight.

[954] And first, you know, big, big fight.

[955] Yeah, you could tell early doors, couldn't you?

[956] You didn't see myself early, though?

[957] He took him to the three old.

[958] for to get going but when he did and then found that steady pressure and got behind his job yeah he's brilliant and we've seen that little clip that he said he's going to change so I think he's going to go to the body more yeah I think he should have done that in the first fight when he was up on the roads Canello really good at evasion his right hand on here if he'd have gone to the body then I think there's going to be a lot of that I think there's going to be a lot more jabs yeah his jab is so underrated like what he did to David Lemieux he actually smashed him a piece of his job yeah see what Abel Sanchez said that when he turns to the right what happened was the referee was because he was turning to his left to get away from the right hand he was exposing his back and if Gigi had hit him there he was worried about getting a point taken off so the referee would have called him on that yeah that's ridiculous yeah you should be able to punch especially if the referee was as bad as the judge well there was one Adelaide bird yeah unbelievable sweet lady yeah very nice lady big fuck off glasses like that like massive she was responsible for some wacky ass fucking decisions last UFC.

[959] She's done it a lot.

[960] Yeah, she's done it a lot, yeah.

[961] A lot.

[962] And no one does anything about it.

[963] What were the other main boxing one she did it in?

[964] Holyfield.

[965] Yeah, yeah.

[966] Wasn't she a part of the whole Pacquiao Tim, the fuck's his name?

[967] I just retired.

[968] Oh, yeah.

[969] Tim Bradley.

[970] Wasn't she a part of that as well?

[971] I don't know.

[972] I know, I think she was part of the, I think she's the one that give Canelo the drawer against Mayweather when he got screwed.

[973] Yeah, yeah.

[974] Really?

[975] Yeah.

[976] Did she really?

[977] That's hilarious.

[978] I think she should be fired.

[979] Yeah, that was closed.

[980] Very nice lady again.

[981] Very nice lady.

[982] The Stevie Wonder world of judging.

[983] That's crazy that she gave Canella a draw against Mayweather.

[984] I mean, he got fucking schooled in that fight.

[985] Massively.

[986] Yeah, big time.

[987] Did he land?

[988] Nothing got landed, did it?

[989] Not much.

[990] Not much.

[991] That was an interesting.

[992] Well, in his defense, Mayweather drained him down to like, what did he get him down a 152 or something?

[993] Yeah, somewhere like that.

[994] But they caused that.

[995] Do you know that?

[996] No. They said, well, we'll fight you at 152.

[997] And Leonard Ellery went, okay.

[998] Because he said, we was going to do it at 154.

[999] And they says, we don't care.

[1000] We'll go down to 152.

[1001] And they went, thanks.

[1002] What a stupid mistake.

[1003] So they just left themselves wide open for that.

[1004] They did it to themselves.

[1005] Yeah.

[1006] You could tell he was seriously sluggish in that.

[1007] Yeah, yeah, definitely.

[1008] Well, he makes anyone look sluggish, though, don't it, to be fair?

[1009] Yeah, he does, man. He's amazing.

[1010] Like, what Floyd is able to do, like, his control of distance and his understanding of what you're going to do next is so incredible.

[1011] Yeah.

[1012] Like, you see him pop a jab, and then before the guy even throws the right hand, he's like...

[1013] He's gone there.

[1014] And the right hand passes him.

[1015] He pops him with the left hook, and he's out there.

[1016] He's like, bitch, I knew what you were going to do.

[1017] He did that way.

[1018] He did that way.

[1019] He popped him and he just ducked, and he would have gone right back of him before I'd even realize what about me. Yeah, and he did some great things with Robert, Robert Guerrero.

[1020] Yes.

[1021] We've got a boxer in England called Josh Kelly.

[1022] Have you seen him?

[1023] Yes, I have.

[1024] I love that guy.

[1025] Yeah.

[1026] You guys have a lot of great boxers over there.

[1027] I mean, obviously, you have the world champion, Anthony Joshua.

[1028] Yeah.

[1029] Do you hear the UFC's?

[1030] going to offer him $500 million for some crazy content.

[1031] We heard that this morning.

[1032] I wonder if that's real.

[1033] Do it.

[1034] I wonder if it's real.

[1035] Joshua versus in Ghana with some people who can punch out of this.

[1036] Someone's going to sleep.

[1037] Jesus Christ.

[1038] I mean, Francis is a great MMA fighter, but he's been fighting for five years.

[1039] He just hits fucking unbelievably hard.

[1040] I can't believe that you said he got under and 20 ,000 on that machine.

[1041] I think you're like 120 something.

[1042] I think we find out what it's 29.

[1043] 129.

[1044] That's so crazy.

[1045] Wow.

[1046] That's so crazy.

[1047] That's what I get with a kick.

[1048] You're the legs that carry you around all day.

[1049] I'm only 100 behind him.

[1050] Well, you know, in his defense, he's 100 pounds heavier than me. But just what in the fuck?

[1051] His hands are so big.

[1052] Every time I shake his hands, I'm like, how is that a person?

[1053] I mean, it's like shaking hands with a brick, like a giant brick.

[1054] They're just so big.

[1055] I've got a little baby hands as well.

[1056] He'd probably crush mine.

[1057] He's a fucking huge dude, man. I mean, and we were talking before about how his, in his background, he worked as a child in a sand mine.

[1058] digging sand all day.

[1059] Just all day, digging sand.

[1060] Like, what a great workout that is for your body.

[1061] He's all the story's ridiculous, all that.

[1062] I'd say we're almost five years ago.

[1063] Five years ago, homeless.

[1064] And now he's fighting for UFC title.

[1065] Yeah, and came real close.

[1066] Yeah, it's a great story.

[1067] I mean, if anybody else other than Steepet, Steepet's so fucking tough and skilled and kept away from him, but you saw what he did to Overeen.

[1068] K -1 Grand Prix champion, Dream Champion, Strike Force, Heavyweight Champion.

[1069] Francis put him into orbit.

[1070] His head nearly came off of his shoulders, man. It was ridiculous.

[1071] And you could see the way Overeign was fighting him, too.

[1072] He's like, it's like aware that any fuck up at any moment.

[1073] Is this it?

[1074] 129 ,161.

[1075] I got 152.

[1076] What was it, 152?

[1077] That was today, though.

[1078] The other day, I got, I was super fucking happy with Tyrone Spong was the former previous record, 114.

[1079] He's got 129 ,161 with a punch.

[1080] I got 152 today, bitch But that's with his arms, man I mean that is It's impossible to Really over -emphasize how fucking crazy That kind of power is with your hands Are it going to be bigger than my legs or to be fair Oh yeah No doubt Bigger than my legs say my legs Little pins Well a guy like that I believe Francis is 33 I mean imagine if they caught him When he was 23 You know I mean imagine that guy It's like that's what you were saying before it's when you get a real champion what you're getting is the top genetics the top talent skill mindset and discipline yeah and they've got that and they want it it's wanting it that's the main thing because a lot a lot of fighters they'll have an hard fight and they'll get out I've seen this again in our gym they'll get out they'll have won but the fight will have been hard and I remember saying they'll come back going that were hard it's a fucking fight it's going to be it's meant to be hard you know what you're signing up for here You know what you're doing.

[1081] Yeah.

[1082] And then I've never seen him again.

[1083] I can understand that though, can't you as well?

[1084] I mean, you have got a certain amount of real sort of.

[1085] You was wanted to be world champion pretty much straight away, didn't you, when you when you started?

[1086] Yeah, of course.

[1087] He was 19 when you won your first World War II.

[1088] 19, yeah.

[1089] That's crazy.

[1090] Italy, yeah.

[1091] And the first time I fought, Sanchez, I were 21.

[1092] What's going on with Georgia Petrosian?

[1093] He's fighting on one championships.

[1094] Oh, he's fighting the M. No, they've got a stand -up They've got a stand -up now Yeah Really?

[1095] Signed like Fabio Pinker George Joe Prochogian Godson Kly They signed Yotson Klai Yeah I thought Yotson Clyde Retire No he's back He fought last month And he won again Took a couple weeks off Yeah Yeah Yeah Basically That guy can fucking punch Man for a Thai South War as well That guy Starge's people I remember when Jordan For him In Thailand I were in the corner For Jordan And Jordan came back At the end of round two I went Take his gumshell died, he went, duh.

[1096] I went, why?

[1097] He went, oh, my tifa in it.

[1098] He knocked on his teeth.

[1099] Wow.

[1100] It would have a real close fight with him.

[1101] Jordan's exceptionally talented.

[1102] He is.

[1103] Jordan was here the first time I came.

[1104] Yeah, no, I remember Jordan.

[1105] Yeah, I mean, it's, uh, the level of talent these days is just so fucking amazing.

[1106] Yeah.

[1107] And one, is one FC really huge in Asia?

[1108] Yeah, it's massive.

[1109] They've got, yeah.

[1110] Are they like UFC level?

[1111] Yeah.

[1112] Yeah.

[1113] Michael Chevello's doing that.

[1114] Is he's doing that?

[1115] Yeah, he's doing that.

[1116] I love that guy.

[1117] Yeah, he's a good guy.

[1118] He's a fucking good guy.

[1119] What they've done is now, I think they've started like three different.

[1120] So, they've got the MMA, and then they've got the hybrid, or it's Muitai in little gloves in the cage.

[1121] Like John Wayne Pars.

[1122] Yeah, CMT.

[1123] Yeah, CMT.

[1124] Yeah.

[1125] And then they've got just stand -up Muitai with 8 -ounce gloves.

[1126] Or is it K -1?

[1127] I think it's kickboxing K -1.

[1128] Wow.

[1129] With the 8 -ounce gloves.

[1130] So they're going to have three separate things now.

[1131] There's certain guys that you just see a silhouette of them.

[1132] Even if you didn't see their face, you would know who it was.

[1133] Yeah.

[1134] You know what my favorite, that is?

[1135] San Chai.

[1136] Like, if you saw a silhouette of him, just moving around, you'd be like, oh, yeah.

[1137] I fought him three times.

[1138] I'm used to him booting me all over at place.

[1139] What is that like fighting that guy?

[1140] Hard.

[1141] You know what?

[1142] It won't so much his power or any, he's accurate.

[1143] If he wants to hit you straight on the chin, he'll hit you straight on the chin.

[1144] If he wants to kick you clean across the ribs, he'll kick you clean across the ribs.

[1145] The first time I fought him, I were only 21.

[1146] A real close fight.

[1147] I just showed him a little bit too much respect.

[1148] So again, like I was saying about the Anno white fight earlier, I was saying, get me rematch, get me rematch, I can do better than that, can do better.

[1149] And I honestly believed going into that fight I were going to win.

[1150] And in the second fight, we absolutely smashed each other to smithereens.

[1151] I cut him really bad.

[1152] I rocked him with punches.

[1153] He hurt me as well with a punch and wobbled my legs.

[1154] We absolutely battered each other.

[1155] I remember in round four, I won the fourth round, and he went gray in the corner.

[1156] I went and sat down.

[1157] I went, I'm fucking out, I'm going to win here.

[1158] I'm going to win.

[1159] by the time round five had happened again O 'Colo back in its skin I blinked and he'd kicked me about 16 times I went how the fuck did he do that I ended around to my coach and my coach went because he's Sanchai Yeah and he's not a champion for nothing It's his eyes and stuff That second fight even though I lost it It's one of my favourites because To be able to push the greatest of all time Well or at least of the last 20 30 years Into that deep water And I were really proud of that And he won my best moments in sport And he even said afterwards but said one of my toughest fights.

[1160] But we're good friends now and stuff, and I'll probably go over to Thailand and train with him at some point.

[1161] What amazes me about him is his movement.

[1162] He's very unusual in the way he moves around.

[1163] A light on his feet.

[1164] In and out.

[1165] And switch his stances constantly and is very creative with his approaches.

[1166] Like, he does all sorts of weird shit.

[1167] Like, there's one fight.

[1168] It's on his Sanchai, Thailand, Instagram.

[1169] He's got a guy up against the ropes, and he steps hard to the right.

[1170] and he throws a left high kick and it takes his head off and it's like straight up in the air yeah I mean it's it's like well if you watch what he does first he's throwing it like this if you watch what he does first I think he sets it up by kicking the leg and then bringing the other one over yeah but he's the master of all stuff like that I remember the first time I thought him he jumped in the air and I looked up and I got kicked in the leg and I thought what the fuck was that where that come from I look at him in the air but my leg got kicked and I'm thinking how did he do that and then when I watched it back I realized and yeah some of the stuff if he does and no one else can do that He's so creative.

[1171] It's artistry, isn't it?

[1172] Yeah.

[1173] And that's what you get with.

[1174] It's his eyes as well.

[1175] He sees everything.

[1176] Lomachenko's the same.

[1177] He's artistry.

[1178] They're same sorts of.

[1179] He's the Lomachenko and Muay Thai.

[1180] Right.

[1181] It's also the way he even, he hits pads are different.

[1182] Like the way you hit pads, he's just tapping up.

[1183] He's not hitting him full blast.

[1184] But you don't want to get hit by any of it.

[1185] But he's like constantly moving.

[1186] When he wants to it hard as well, he can, like I say, a few times he equally clean on chin.

[1187] I remember thinking, fucking hell, I wasn't expecting that.

[1188] Yeah, where he is, working the pads.

[1189] Like, when you see the way he throws kicks, like, he's not, he's not like, he could probably do that shit all day, Yeah, he just so loose and flexible, and bab, bab, bab, he's a fucking tremendous fighter, He must be 37, 38 now and he's still.

[1190] Is he 38?

[1191] Is he 38?

[1192] Yeah, yeah, it's amazing.

[1193] Yeah, and he's still wiping the floor with most of the...

[1194] Incredible.

[1195] Yeah, people he fights.

[1196] I mean, and just constant movement and attack, His pressure and the volume of strikes that he throws, I mean, he's a fucking unbelievable fighter, man. Yeah, definitely the best without doubt over the last 20 years.

[1197] I mean, he even did one fight in the stadiums in Thailand, two on one.

[1198] And in this one again, two on one.

[1199] Two on one.

[1200] And this was, this were only about five, six years ago.

[1201] Pep Bunchu, Sagat Dau.

[1202] So, San Chial rank number one, Pet Bunchu number two, Sagat Dau, probably number three.

[1203] And these weren't like lesser fighters than him.

[1204] He fought him two on one.

[1205] How the fuck did he do that?

[1206] So, Sagatdow got in, no, Pep Bunchu got him for the first two rounds, fought, and he went at him and just tried to wear him down and clinch him.

[1207] For the last three rounds, Sagat Dau jumped in fresh.

[1208] Sanjay won.

[1209] Wow.

[1210] Secondatheaus a south pole, Pet Bunchu's a clincher.

[1211] Yeah, but they're both clinches.

[1212] The both clenches, they both just tried to wear him down.

[1213] That is fucking insane.

[1214] Oh, there we go.

[1215] So he fought one guy for two rounds and then the second guy for three.

[1216] Came in fresh, yeah.

[1217] Unbelievable, man. That is unbelievable.

[1218] But look at the size difference as well.

[1219] The both miles bigger than him.

[1220] Yeah.

[1221] He's like, well, he's always fighting.

[1222] any bigger guys, right?

[1223] He'd have to do a give away in the stadiums with how the betting works out there no one is going to bet if Sanchai comes in at 1 -3 -5 and Pet Buncho comes in at 1 -3 -5 no one's going to bet because they know San Chai's going to win but if Sanchai comes in at 1 -30 and Pet Bucci comes in at 1 -3 -4 then it's evening it up a little bit then the gamblers will all get on it and it's going to...

[1224] That's what's also interesting about Thailand is that the gambling is such a giant part of the sport influences it's so big and it influences the scoring and the decisions and stuff like that but what about like guys fixing fights.

[1225] You wear about it a lot.

[1226] You were about fighters throwing fights but then they'll get thrown out of stadium there won't be a lot of fight back in there.

[1227] You do hear about that a lot.

[1228] You also hear about people like dropping something people's drinks to try and just like give them a little advantage so when they were gamblers, yeah.

[1229] Petrosian said to me he got poisoned when he fought...

[1230] Petrosian?

[1231] Petrosian said to me, whether it's true or I don't know.

[1232] So not quote me on it.

[1233] But he told me that when he fought Nonathan, Paul Promok, they said that he gave him a drink and he said he was dizzy.

[1234] Yeah.

[1235] And because on that fight I think they had about a million bar side bet.

[1236] So it's about 20 grand side bet Their gym and his gym So you do her about stuff happening like that Wow, that sucks What's a wild ass fucking place, Thailand Right?

[1237] Yeah It's great though I'm sure I love it It's a great place Yeah I love it I love going to the foods there You know especially Kosoami where I go Yeah I love Thai food Beautiful Kosama is beautiful But you know You know Bangkok's beautiful Yeah I think I spent too much time in Bangkok I live there for like 18 months To two years of You're burned out Yeah, so whenever I go now, I prefer to go to the island, so I can train and then relax.

[1238] Because when I were there, I was just living in the gym all time, and I don't think I could do that anymore now.

[1239] Right.

[1240] So I prefer to now.

[1241] I could go.

[1242] Silk sheets, baby.

[1243] Yeah.

[1244] I can train hard, and then I can, yeah, the thing is, I was locked in a room in the gym with nothing but a fan blowing hot air on me, not aircon.

[1245] All the tires are there, like, fast asleep, snoring, and I'm just there sweating my head off, and having two hours sleep at night, and I couldn't do that anymore now.

[1246] Right.

[1247] Now I go to the island I can still train just as hard There's some great coaches there are sobering I can go to beach I can relax Is that like Pouquet?

[1248] Is that where you go?

[1249] Pouquet or Samoa Yeah, same of Ineos Yeah Is Pouquet a safe place to go to?

[1250] You know, Thailand's safe Yeah Everywhere you go They used to like To see drunken Not that I ever drink over that And drunken stumbling down the road Ferangs With like lady boys waiting Onerbanks Or foreigners You hear horror stories is her stories about Thailand in the media and stuff like that there's horror stories everywhere you go yeah of course yeah i've all the time i spent there i've never seen no untoward happen really that's amazing even though obviously it does happen but it happens everywhere john wayne parr said the same thing so he goes over there said everybody's lovely yeah yeah it is yeah yeah yeah and he did the same thing yeah yeah he is i've been to where i've been to his gym and spent time with him he's another one that if you saw his silhouette you'd absolutely know it was him yeah of course he's so he's got such an odd style of movement yeah you know like there's a video of him go to John Wayne Parr's Instagram well he's changed his style a lot now because obviously when he lived in Thailand he had to fight the Thai way but like since he's back in Australia now and he can adapt to do that because he's such a good puncher as well he can fight both ways I'm sure if he ever fought in Thailand which he doesn't need to anymore he's done all that but if he did I'm sure he'd know to like look at this like the way he moves it's 100 % John Wayne Parr you know what I'm saying yeah I mean it's very fascinating like you if you watched him you would know for sure If you didn't see his, if you just saw the silhouette, you're like, oh, yeah, that's John Wayne Potter.

[1251] Yeah, definitely.

[1252] Guy's 40 as well, I mean, he's got some engine.

[1253] 41, what the fucker?

[1254] Yeah, 40 -1.

[1255] And he's fighting again in two weeks in here.

[1256] Training like a fucking savage.

[1257] So I'm knocking people out as well.

[1258] And one of the nicest guys you ever want to meet.

[1259] Yeah.

[1260] Just couldn't be nicer.

[1261] His wife's nice and, you know, and his kid, have you seen his son Jesse doing flips and shit?

[1262] Yeah, and his daughter's a killer.

[1263] Yeah, me and her fought on the same show in August last year, and she came over and she beat her British girl.

[1264] Yeah, she's out there smashed it now as well.

[1265] in my garage and just watching him kick the bag.

[1266] I was like, holy fuck that guy kicked hard.

[1267] Yeah, and he comes down a lot of weight as well.

[1268] Does he?

[1269] Yeah.

[1270] I think, I've seen him before and him like 84 kilos and then like two, three week later, boom, 72 .5, shredded.

[1271] Big fan of Australia.

[1272] I'm a big fan of Australia.

[1273] They're just nice people, man. I've never been.

[1274] Never been?

[1275] It's fucking great.

[1276] Everything can kill you, though.

[1277] Don't leave your hotel.

[1278] Everything that begins with S shark, spider, snake, Sasquatch.

[1279] Everything that begins with S in Australia will kill you.

[1280] And I don't like any of them.

[1281] things and crocodiles some seas some seas can kill you too if you're dyslexic it's fine it's a crazy fucking place but you know that's uh they're pretty close to Thailand right yeah six hour flight yeah it's like it's like they're Spain isn't it I mean when English go abroad you know and they go drunk or go on package holidays go to Spain Thailand's they're Spain really is that what you guys do you go to Spain why do you go to Spain yeah my yorka I love mioka me and my wife go up Miyoka Miyoka so my yoka myoka I got a beef with all my friends where?

[1282] Abifa.

[1283] Oh, Abiza, right?

[1284] Yeah, we say Abiza.

[1285] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1286] A bea, yeah.

[1287] But it's a Z. Hazeta, Abitha.

[1288] Abitha.

[1289] Same like Chavon.

[1290] It's not Scyaban.

[1291] Yeah.

[1292] I don't know.

[1293] Abiza.

[1294] Abiza is a weird one.

[1295] I've heard people say that.

[1296] I'm like, where the fuck are you talking about?

[1297] Write that down.

[1298] I'm like, oh, that says Abiza.

[1299] What did you just say?

[1300] It's a Biza.

[1301] I'm too old to go to Abifa now.

[1302] Oh, you know.

[1303] Well, that's a Spain thing, right?

[1304] Like the youth, there's a lot of, there's a lot of Thuss, right?

[1305] Yeah.

[1306] No, yeah, true.

[1307] Probably is.

[1308] Some good fighters from Spain as well.

[1309] Fuck, yeah.

[1310] Well, Europe has always had, like, ridiculous Muay talent.

[1311] Yeah, the Frencher, I think.

[1312] Outside Thailand, I think it's probably France, then England.

[1313] Who's that guy that went to Jean -Marc, what is his name?

[1314] Skabowski.

[1315] Yes.

[1316] John Charles Skabowski.

[1317] Yeah, he were a great fighter.

[1318] I remember when he came into that M .MA house that St. Pierre brought me in, he was still drunk, and he just fucked him all up.

[1319] He was up all night drinking at a bar.

[1320] like went to a club was drinking came in smelled like shit had a fucking like a glass with him of alcohol like and then put on the pads like put on the gloves and beat the shit out of anybody yeah we're dropping them all and everything but he went to rank number one at radjanemnon stadium when he were fighting so he were like top top level and he's promoting now putting on like real good shows yeah really good shows yeah the crazy thing about him is he doesn't look like anything no he looked in great shape or anything but he was like that when he fought flat, no muscles, but he fucks people up.

[1321] Danny Bill didn't look like that, did he?

[1322] But he could catch the legs and sweep the ties and stand with them.

[1323] Put you to sleep when he...

[1324] Yeah, with that right hand, yeah.

[1325] John Wayne Parr beat him, though, didn't he?

[1326] Yeah, knocked him out.

[1327] Well, what were great about Skoboski, though, he used to fight from 140 up to 165.

[1328] He'd won't know no weight class for him.

[1329] He just said there's a fight at 165, do want to do it?

[1330] He'd go, yeah.

[1331] And then he'd go fight.

[1332] And so, you got fight two weeks, 140.

[1333] He went, right, cut the weight.

[1334] Down at 1 .40, so, yeah.

[1335] That's why he was so good.

[1336] Now you see a lot of traditional karate style in MMA now Where a lot of these guys are learning how to fight a different way And throws people off with like front leg sidekicks Wider Stances that hopping in Is it a wonder boy with fights like that?

[1337] Yes But you don't see that in Muay Well talk about Tension Tension the kid from Japan, a new kid Who is brilliant, that's south part of I love How do you say his last name, Natsukawa?

[1338] Natsukawa, yeah And he's a fucking amazing He's amazing There's two actually There's him and Takaru And they won't let him fight They're the same weight Takeru's just won the K1 I think it's 60 kilo or something He's gone up in the video We showed a video of Takaru sparring the other day Knocking someone out He said me that Horrible right Yeah it's horrible But you know Tension it came from originally from karate He was doing karate as a kid And the thing is he's been knocking out ties as well Because he's unpredictable And you don't know what's coming So fast as well If you can get that balance And in Muay Thai scoring It's going to be a bit difficult But for K1 Yeah, yeah, it's good.

[1339] Beautiful.

[1340] But there's so many different kids.

[1341] It's Moroccan kids coming from infusion at the minute that are just, you know, I'm like, wow, he's amazing.

[1342] It's just, there's a kid.

[1343] The tension's only 18, right?

[1344] Maybe 19 now?

[1345] Yeah, we have a fighter called Haruli from Holland.

[1346] And he's sparked, you know, that kid you see in the 18 -year -old Tyson.

[1347] Abil Haruli.

[1348] And just knocking, bloke, sparking them.

[1349] He's just like, there's some day.

[1350] dangerous boys about.

[1351] I'm so glad I'm old.

[1352] I am so glad.

[1353] Don't eat the old fella.

[1354] It is amazing how combat sports, just like kind of any other sport, they just, the new talent just learns from the old ways, and they get better and better.

[1355] I mean, it's just there's better talent today.

[1356] Which is evolving, evolving, evolving all the time.

[1357] In MMA in particular, because it's such a recent sport.

[1358] I mean, MMA's really only been around, like, popular since the 1993, somewhere around there.

[1359] So if you look at like 1993 MMA versus 2018, so it's like fucking the light years difference.

[1360] But Muay, it's more incremental, right?

[1361] And it's not, it's better, but not as much better.

[1362] No. The Westerners are.

[1363] They're coming on so much quicker out than how.

[1364] Yeah.

[1365] And I just think it's the opportunities that are getting thrown out of now with like, the likes of Yoccal, the likes of, you know, all the promotions that are bringing them through.

[1366] and we've just got some really good like Daniel McGowan and his last performance he thought he's going to go live in Petchendee now he's sponsored by them he was absolutely super but we've got some I'm very proud of our country when it comes to Muay Thai I'm very very and proud of it because I've been in the days where even before Liam I've been at 34 years I've been involved in it and just seeing Ties come over and beat the shit out of people like hooray and they're like proper levered.

[1367] The likes of this man here and the likes of other people are giving us a better chance.

[1368] You know, so the fights are more competitive.

[1369] And Ties are starting to train.

[1370] They train for Liam.

[1371] Like, they trained for him.

[1372] Like, I know that Malaypet trained solidly for Liam when he fought him on there.

[1373] Yeah, he'd never trained.

[1374] He claims one week for a fight, but he were telling people before, I've trained two months for this.

[1375] I've trained two months.

[1376] Where did you fight him on?

[1377] Lion fight?

[1378] It was Lion fight.

[1379] Yeah, yeah, I beat him on points.

[1380] Yeah.

[1381] Oh, I saw that fight?

[1382] Yeah.

[1383] That was fun.

[1384] That was a good fight.

[1385] Keep sweeping him.

[1386] Yeah, yeah.

[1387] That was a good fight.

[1388] One judge gave it fucking 50 -46 to him.

[1389] Really?

[1390] Yeah.

[1391] Was it Adelaide Bird?

[1392] I think so.

[1393] Adelaide.

[1394] Yeah.

[1395] So Lion Fight hasn't had a fight in a long time.

[1396] I haven't heard anything.

[1397] They used to be with Access TV, but I don't think they are anymore.

[1398] They're working with MTGP.

[1399] It's run by Kering Kedaloo's with the one, MTC.

[1400] Yeah, they're bringing it into England.

[1401] Did they have an American outlet anymore?

[1402] I actually don't know.

[1403] Fuck, they need something in America.

[1404] Because they were big, won't they as well?

[1405] At one point, like, Access TV is Mark Cuban's network, and they've got a lot of great fights on it.

[1406] They've always had, like, a real good, strong moitai and combat sports.

[1407] It needs to get all the yuck, aren't they?

[1408] Yeah.

[1409] And, well, they have, Pat Militzis is doing commentary for MMA this weekend with that.

[1410] But it's just they're missing, you know, the wide distribution of like a Fox or FS1 or things that have gotten the UFC so popular.

[1411] Yeah.

[1412] They've got two standout fighters as well, really.

[1413] I think they need more standout fighters to get their fighters like on big shoulders of bra on that.

[1414] They've got Kevin Ross, obviously there's Shilling as well, but he's more at MMA and K1 and Onjun Topic and they're like the two that anyone says about, do you know Muay Thai in America, Ross Topic.

[1415] They're the two that come straight up.

[1416] Well, Shilling is, they're all fighting Bellator.

[1417] Belator, yeah.

[1418] Belator, yeah.

[1419] They're champions at Belator.

[1420] Which is great.

[1421] It's great.

[1422] I'm a big fan of Belator kickboxing, but again, it's not more time.

[1423] I prefer to watch Kevin fight.

[1424] Muay Thai, because he's good with his sweeps, he's good to be elbow, he likes to go to war, so it's exciting to watch him do that.

[1425] K -1, like you say, it limits what a Muay Thai fighter is, can do.

[1426] We've got an English girl called Imman Barlow, who's an infusion champion as well, and she's a line fight, Muay champion.

[1427] She's won 10 world titles, she's had 140 fights, and she's been fighting since she was four.

[1428] What?

[1429] Yeah.

[1430] Yeah, she's from the Assassinsium in Leicester Train by Dad, Mark Barlow.

[1431] The clip of her, I think.

[1432] Quality.

[1433] I've seen it where she kicks, she kicks ten times, girl nine times in a row.

[1434] Go bam, bam, bam, bam, and everyone lands, left, right, left, right, left, right, left, right.

[1435] What is her name?

[1436] I'mon, I'm pretty killer, Barlow.

[1437] Spell that.

[1438] Imon is a I -M -A -N, like I -M -A -N, Barlow, yeah.

[1439] I'mon Barlow, B -A -R.

[1440] She talks about that, it comes from Leicester.

[1441] Is that how they talk to Lester?

[1442] Yeah.

[1443] She'll batter me if she sees, when she sees me. But, yeah, she's a great fighter, and, you know, and, uh, well, Where's your accent?

[1444] You guys.

[1445] Is this Liverpool?

[1446] I live in Liverpool, but I'm originally from Manchester.

[1447] So what is the difference to your accent in a Liverpool accent?

[1448] I talk very posh compared to the liver.

[1449] Did you?

[1450] Stauze's talk like that.

[1451] He's all like weirchen.

[1452] Yeah, like, my wife's, my wife, Lisa's a Scouse.

[1453] Is this the one?

[1454] Yeah, it's not the five.

[1455] Oh, damn, that's serious.

[1456] I think it's Marina's waiver there.

[1457] Bo head kick.

[1458] Oh, to the body and then to the head.

[1459] Yeah, damn.

[1460] Bong.

[1461] Yeah, that's the thing about legs, man. I mean, every woman that weighs 130 pounds is carrying 130 pounds around all day with their legs.

[1462] Try walking around your hands all day.

[1463] Women can knock you the fuck out.

[1464] She's only small, man, weren't she?

[1465] She was she?

[1466] Yeah, she's only small.

[1467] She's sound though, ain't she?

[1468] She's a really nice.

[1469] It's not unheard of, though, for a girl to have 100 plus fights.

[1470] It's ridiculous, really, when you think about it.

[1471] But she's still smashing it.

[1472] Yeah, she is.

[1473] She's won about 95, 96%.

[1474] Yeah, she has, yeah.

[1475] How old do you know, Liam?

[1476] 32.

[1477] So you're still in your prime right now?

[1478] I think so, yeah.

[1479] I mean, my last 10 fights, I've probably won eight.

[1480] The two losses have been on points.

[1481] One to Fabio Pinker, top level operator.

[1482] And another one, and through another French boy, we're both on points.

[1483] But all my fights in between that, I've even knocked them out or stopped them.

[1484] And I feel when I'm training and when I'm fighting, I feel like I'm in prime, I feel like I'm stronger than ever.

[1485] I feel like I'm faster than ever and sharper and ever.

[1486] I've still got the hunger.

[1487] I'm still really wanting to fight all the time.

[1488] It's all I'm concentrating on, as well as I'm training others as well.

[1489] But my soul intention is still, I've still got goals.

[1490] That's the thing like, I know I've had a lot of fights and stuff, but I've still got goals that I want to achieve and I want to do.

[1491] Like what are the...

[1492] Well, I won the WBC title in 2015, and you can see I've got a metal plate in me on there.

[1493] I brought my hand, and they didn't even give me a chance to just strip me of the belt straight away.

[1494] didn't give me a chance to say right we're a few months defend we can defend it then just stripped me of it and now other people have won it and stuff so uh i want to win that belt back and i'm late i'm not i don't know if you had surgery in your hand they just stripped you yeah they just took it off me yeah why they do that i don't know i think they wanted the french boy why we went to defend against to fight for it because it was in france so they let him fight for it and then he won it and stuff but now i think the title's vacant or something i think the champion's moved away it's become vacant again i probably shouldn't be saying this but i am fighting for it later on in the year against a real, real strong fighter as well.

[1495] I don't think it's been released so I'm not allowed to say it, I don't think.

[1496] But he's going to be probably one of the biggest fights Britain's seen in a long time.

[1497] So obviously I've got that looking forward to.

[1498] In July, massive, massive fight I'm defending my UK number one spot.

[1499] I've been looking forward to this for ages.

[1500] I've been number one in the UK for about 13 years and now's a lot of talk about a guy, Charlie Peters, number two in the rankings, climbed his way up, had some big wins, earned his shot.

[1501] He's got the old country, divided it's north -east south i'm from leeds which is up north he's from london which is down south he's got the country divided um he's earned his shot so i'm really looking forward to that that's a bit of a grudge match um yeah you could say like not the shit talking going on there yeah yeah a little bit a little bit a little bit um i'm fucking useless at shit talk though i like it's thrown insult out there it just don't even make no sense and i've got what the fuck have i just done that you know i mean and i just look a complete idiot it's funny man are you either good at that shit or you're not Like, Connor's got a gift, you know?

[1502] Connor McGregor.

[1503] Yeah, he's got a...

[1504] Till's good at it as well.

[1505] Louis Leo I mentioned earlier, he's good at it.

[1506] He's...

[1507] I'm not fucking useless, so I was keeping my mouth shut.

[1508] So where's the best way that most people can watch you fight?

[1509] Like, a lot of these fights, you're going to have to watch them after the fact in America, right?

[1510] Yeah, most of them do come straight on YouTube, or some of them...

[1511] And Y 'O -K -K -A -O.

[1512] Yes.

[1513] And is it just Y -O -K -A -O?

[1514] Yeah.

[1515] just on here yeah I mean mainly that's the one that Liam fights on there's a lot I commentate on them a lot which are very privileged to do but yeah I mean these other outlets if you type in Liam in YouTube whatever they can watch him I love the way you commentate because you always say something and you say isn't he he's winning isn't he beautiful low kick isn't it?

[1516] That was a great performance that wasn't it yeah like that's an English thing man you like you say something but then you also want everybody to agree with you I think it's kind of I'm quote to Welsh and the Welsh do that so maybe that's a DNA thing I mean it's a polite thing I say oh you were good at him want it won't it well me and you were like that all the time I was good that one day you just did it and me and you are like that all time aren't we well I noticed that when I was in England just having conversations with people that that's like a speech pattern that people do over there yeah I learned something you every day but it's I first heard you when you were doing it's show time when you're doing commentary I remember hearing that like this guy always does that it always says that after some of the some of the things I mean There was one fight where Mohammed Kamal and Mossab and Rani, and I go fucking bananas.

[1517] And looking back at it, now I'm thinking, but they loved it.

[1518] The Dutch said, Yes, we like you screaming like bitch.

[1519] Yeah.

[1520] So you do it.

[1521] You have squeaky voice.

[1522] It makes a fight exciting.

[1523] That's a great Dutch actor.

[1524] Dengabille.

[1525] So I spend that much time in Holland anyway.

[1526] But, yeah, thanks for that.

[1527] They have the real pioneers, right?

[1528] When it comes to, like, expanding into Muay Thai and kickboxing.

[1529] Well, how did that happen?

[1530] Like, the Dutch, it was a Kilkishin base originally, right?

[1531] Yeah.

[1532] I mean, you've got to thank people like Johann Voss, Tom Haring, and Jan Plas.

[1533] Voss trained Ivan Hippolyte, Ernesto Hust, Shakuriki, they had badder from the beginning, Peter Ayers, etc. And they're the pioneers.

[1534] And then, but now they've got so many good gyms coming through and so many kids that, it's like they fight like you've stole someone.

[1535] from them you know that they just blitzkrieg each other and they're like the Thai version of the Thai's in Thailand yeah Moroccans and the Dutcher they're like in K1 they're that version so hard to beat at that we I know Liam Liam loves Muay and you know I try and talk to Lee about kickboxing he just gets annoyed but um it's true though in it Lee he'll get annoyed it I was just like he's just like it's just like you don't you don't watch kickboxing I will if Vinny says watch his fight it's amazing I watch it I won't go out of my way to watch it I don't know I just like to stop isn't that interesting Oh yeah, he's very staunch.

[1536] He likes what he likes and that's it, you know.

[1537] Well, that's a big thing with a lot of Americans, you know, when it comes to, like, I've tried to show American fight fans, Muay, even like good buddies in mine, like, eh.

[1538] Like, how the fucking you not like this?

[1539] Yeah, it's what people like it.

[1540] I used to like watch boxing, but now I've been watching, like, movement specialists.

[1541] You know, I've been doing all that movement and stuff.

[1542] I've started doing it.

[1543] Movement specialists, like, you know, like, I train with a guy called Dan Mett, and now when he's a student of Edo Putter.

[1544] And I like watching.

[1545] I find myself just sat there watching men in, men swinging around and rings.

[1546] To be fair, you know what that's called?

[1547] It's called manopause.

[1548] Is it?

[1549] Is it?

[1550] Yeah, that's definitely.

[1551] To be fair, though.

[1552] Definitely true of me. I worked with Dan, not long back.

[1553] And some of the stuff he does, he's amazing.

[1554] Especially for Muay Thai, like, obviously your hip flex and stuff that are working all the time.

[1555] Some of the different stuff that he were doing, obviously, I get really tight around me hips and stuff when I'm kicking out all the time.

[1556] And some of the stuff that he showed me and we worked.

[1557] with it.

[1558] We're unbelievable.

[1559] I felt so much looser.

[1560] We love that guy.

[1561] Yeah.

[1562] Have you ever done any yoga?

[1563] No. I did a hot yoga once and I nearly died.

[1564] So, yeah, I don't think I'll do that one again.

[1565] I should do, to be fair.

[1566] But I think now that I found Dan and all the different stuff that he showed me, I think that'll that can replace any sort of yoga that should be doing, because this stuff is amazing.

[1567] Well, I think it would be a good compliment to your style because your style is so fucking ah!

[1568] Yeah.

[1569] You're so, like, tense and powerful.

[1570] that I would think that like maybe that would like open you up a little bit yeah well that's the stuff that Dan does it does it like it's opening using different joints and stuff and putting me in positions that I'm not used to and to be fair it is it is hard but after you've done it and after you've done the workout and stuff that he's shown you you just feel loose yeah you feel amazing it's brilliant it's really really good I go every Wednesday morning and I don't want to go I'll fucking tell you the truth I'm driving down that it's an hour away from me I'm thinking fuck this and then I get there and it's just It's just a very, very special.

[1571] How illegal is weed in England?

[1572] I'm not into it, me. Listen, bro, take two solid hits and then go to yoga class.

[1573] If I took two solid hits, I'd be hiding, run back on my sofa, I'm telling it.

[1574] It's not for me. Especially American weed.

[1575] Get a hold some of this California shit.

[1576] You get in orbit.

[1577] Serious, paranoia.

[1578] Two hits and then go to a yoga class.

[1579] It's like you're on a journey.

[1580] You know, like, you get out of there an hour and a half late.

[1581] It's perfect because an hour and a half into the sweating.

[1582] The pot's worn on.

[1583] off and you come back down but in the middle of it you feel like the world's going to end any second now in the middle of the class like there's no way this could be sustainable there's no way I'm not going to survive the whole way you just think about everything that's going on with Joe with like a house on fire that's my mom and dad not me I can't do it don't agree with me I love it for yoga it's one of my favorite things ever take two hits and go to yoga class but the thing is when you're stone you can't not be on stone quick you just like oh shit you gotta wait for it to wear off no there's no wearing off quick.

[1584] Yeah.

[1585] Caffeine helps a little bit.

[1586] Does it?

[1587] I remember Jordan gave me a drop of cannabis oil before and I like melted into his sofa for about six hours and I couldn't move and I'm thinking I'm dead.

[1588] I'm done here.

[1589] Last time I was here I had some and I had some cannabis oil and I was sat there watching TV and then I was like fucking hell of that was mine.

[1590] And then I got the remote control from the TV and this guy was going and I turned him over and I went ha to me fucking self and then I knew for it's not for you this Well, it's just one of those things like anything else You've got to ease into it You know, to understand what you're doing I just, I'd like it for just relaxation Reflection, you know Yeah I think it's also great for like pain management And like, you know, after you're done training Everything's sore, your shoulders, your elbows Yeah, well my mom and my dad They both love it But I've just never been able to remember I tried two drags before And I nearly had a fucking paranoia attack I had to go hide You gotta dig a little one But those are the type of guy Though I'm all on nothing You know what I mean yeah I'm sure yeah with every aspect yeah if you approach part the way you approach moitai that could be a real big mistake yeah I try holding pads for him I was holding pads for him the other there and I said right just just bang just bang just bang just bang okay just bang it then so you're trying to like get him to settle down and he yeah I mean I'm nowhere near the level of his coach I just oh pads in the way that I can I'm more of a boxing holding pads for boxing because he's no way he's I've held pads for Jordan Watson and I am not holding pads I'm not having experience that again.

[1591] I'm an old man and I'm not holding pads for him.

[1592] John kicks twice as hard as me as well his kicks out of him.

[1593] He'd probably break straight through that machine out there.

[1594] Yeah, I'd like to get him in here.

[1595] Absolute nightmare holding pads for him.

[1596] I'm sure.

[1597] Yeah, I've seen him fight.

[1598] I saw him fight Giorgio too.

[1599] Got caught that crazy right look.

[1600] Yeah, it was a fatal mistake that.

[1601] You know, Georgia Petrosian's got such good eyesight that he's just I knew about him.

[1602] I knew about him years before, didn't.

[1603] Oh, about 15 years ago?

[1604] Yeah, this kid, this kid, this kid.

[1605] My boxer fought him.

[1606] And we went in and we heard about this kid, oh, Jojo Petrosha was like, right, whatever.

[1607] Yes, he's unbeaten, blah, blah, blah.

[1608] Fuck off.

[1609] They're just trying to scare you, don't worry.

[1610] My boxer went out.

[1611] He was a great fighter himself, Rick Barnner, a lovely kid, got his on Jim.

[1612] And I thought, blah, blah, bam, slip, got caught, dropped, body shot, and then he got up again, body shot, leg kick, bang.

[1613] And he come back and he said, I could have done this, I could have done this, I said, you fucking couldn't.

[1614] I'll tell you what the most important.

[1615] impressive thing about him as well.

[1616] He used to watch the videos at Vinny.

[1617] He used to send me and I think, oh, well, he looks all right.

[1618] I commentated with Vinny once live on him and I just saw the subtle stuff that he does up close, the little slips, the little step off from Southpore and I just said to Vinny, I took the microwave, I went, this is fucking unreal.

[1619] Just the subtle stuff, which is what makes him a level above anyone else.

[1620] He's a greatest K -1 fighter of all time.

[1621] Yeah, and I mean he puts, what he does is negates your rhythm.

[1622] So when the Dutch fight, the Dutch fight mainly in combination, the They fire fast hands, fast kicks.

[1623] They fire him straight.

[1624] But he negates that first shot.

[1625] And then he step off, so he can't reach him.

[1626] He puts that right palm out.

[1627] He fights south paw, puts that right palm out.

[1628] And he throws a lot of teep kicks off that right front leg.

[1629] And he's strong as well.

[1630] He's deceptively strong.

[1631] He's Armenian.

[1632] He's not actually Italian.

[1633] His real name is Gevorg.

[1634] They call him Georgi Obrototion, but his real name's Gevorg.

[1635] They changed it because it's more palatable for the Italians.

[1636] But he's a very, very special individual.

[1637] So technical.

[1638] Yeah.

[1639] It's a really interesting guy to watch him, trained, too.

[1640] Yeah, I love watching him on Paz.

[1641] Nothing's done over hard or anything.

[1642] It's all just done perfect.

[1643] Every shot is perfect.

[1644] Yeah, and again, like everybody's got their own style.

[1645] That's one of the beautiful things about Maitai is that, like, the art is very straightforward.

[1646] You have your eight weapons, but it's like how you apply those.

[1647] It's all based on creativity, your own personal preferences.

[1648] Yeah, that's the great thing about when you watch the top ties in Thailand.

[1649] You'll have a technician, but then you'll have a big clincher.

[1650] and they might be getting the floor white with them outside the clinch, but as soon as they grab old and they start banging them big knees in and stuff, it's going to make the fight a lot more interesting.

[1651] It's then the technician's job to keep him off, to keep him off, to keep him off, to move, to score with the kicks.

[1652] That's the great thing about Muaytah, that's why I love it so much.

[1653] Well, that's why I think it's the best striking style is because it incorporates so much grappling.

[1654] There's so much sweeps and clinch and knee work and controlling the back of the neck.

[1655] And, you know, it's just, it's so effective to take that out.

[1656] when I watch a boxing match, and they're like, break.

[1657] I'm like, why are you breaking?

[1658] Yeah.

[1659] You know, go back and watch old Jack Johnson fights.

[1660] You ever watch old Jack Johnson fights?

[1661] I've never seen that.

[1662] Jack Johnson, clench the shit out of everybody.

[1663] Clinch everybody.

[1664] Well, Matt Scalton did, didn't he?

[1665] Matt Scalden used to, that was a heavyweight from England, and he used to clinch.

[1666] But I've since been working with Liam and doing the seminars that we've been doing, I've been doing it a long time.

[1667] And I'm watching him, and I'm going, I don't know that.

[1668] I don't know that.

[1669] And it's been brilliant for me to fall in love with Moy Thai again.

[1670] Because you'll see what he doesn't it.

[1671] I don't know.

[1672] Well, there's so much to boxing, right?

[1673] I mean, when you see a guy like a Floyd Mayweather or a real technician like Lomachenko, just there's so much to learn.

[1674] Now add leg kicks, knees, head kicks, elbows, clinch, all this other stuff.

[1675] I mean, Muay Thai is almost never ending.

[1676] I say all the time, I've been training only 20 years and I learn every day.

[1677] Every day I will learn just something new, whether it's from someone in the gym, we've been sparring, whether it's from my coach, Richard, whether it's from a YouTube video, watching a fight in Thailand or something.

[1678] I'm still learning every single day.

[1679] And I remember my trainer from Thailand, JITI, when I were living there, he was saying I'm 50 years old.

[1680] I've been doing this 40 years.

[1681] He said, I learn every day as well.

[1682] That's amazing.

[1683] Yeah, it's never ending.

[1684] That's why I'm in love of it so much.

[1685] Jiu -Jitsu is very similar as well.

[1686] I could imagine, yeah.

[1687] I can imagine MMMA being exactly the same, with the wrestling in the Jiu -Jitsu and everything.

[1688] Yeah, it's just one of those things that on the outside, you don't see it.

[1689] But the closer you get to it, where you're real.

[1690] I was like, wow, this thing is like never ending.

[1691] Yeah.

[1692] And you know what?

[1693] I'd be honest, I've not met anyone that I'd really dislike in it.

[1694] They're all pretty decent, aren't they?

[1695] Nice people.

[1696] Yeah, yeah.

[1697] They'd not fuck out of each other than they're like, cheers.

[1698] Talk about a character developer.

[1699] Yeah.

[1700] I mean, what develops your character more than combat sports?

[1701] Yeah, yeah.

[1702] It's true.

[1703] I mean, you find out who the fuck you are.

[1704] Yeah, exactly.

[1705] And that's what we'll come back to what I was saying earlier.

[1706] You find out who you are.

[1707] Some people think, fuck, there's that in me. Other people say, Fuck, yeah, let's do that again.

[1708] You know what I mean?

[1709] And all the best fighters are all the most best people you're going to meet as well, I think.

[1710] Like, look at how much of a gentleman, Petrosian, he is in his, he's an absolute.

[1711] Do you know what's funny about the fight with Jordan and Petrosian?

[1712] They're very similar characters.

[1713] They're very, very nice people.

[1714] I mean, Jordan is an absolute.

[1715] You wouldn't think Jordan was a fighter.

[1716] No, when I'm mad, I'm super sweetheart.

[1717] Lovely guy, all right, you know, and then at the end of the fight with Georgian and Petrosian, proxion runs over and puts his head on him.

[1718] because he hugs him I think like a track like and I think he understood that he was a fight once it's over the bells ring you know I said to him because I messaged Georgio Petrosi he said you you know punched another one of my friends whatever congratulations but don't hit another one of my friends they'll have me to deal with as if he's fucking scared like it matters and he said oh no he kick hard he kicked really hard he kicked very very hard so he was still respectful you know yeah it's a good guy well listen let's wrap this up Liam thank you so much for being here thank you for having me thank you very much it's my honor and thank you for training with me too that was beautiful that was awesome for me man and people could find you on Twitter at Liam underscore Badco yeah get me on my Instagram that gets updated all my train did I say Twitter I meant yeah my Instagram all my training clips everything I put up post on there all my fights on my seminars all me upcoming stuff that I'll be doing with Vinnie we'll all be thrown on there yeah and Vinnie Shoreman you're on Instagram as well with a Y Vinnie VINI and N -N -Y shorman yeah and Vinnyshulman dot com get all to me we'll see what happens thank you very Thanks, Joe.

[1719] Cheers, man. Thank you very much.