#478 - Eddie Bravo

[0] This Thursday night, I am in Miami, bitch.

[1] I'm going to be at the Film War, the Jackie Gleason Theater at the Film War, and I'm with the great Tony Hinchcliff.

[2] So I'm looking forward to that Thursday, Miami people.

[3] It should be a, it's a part of the South Beach Comedy Festival.

[4] It should be really fun.

[5] And thanks to everybody that came out this weekend as well to the Comedy Magic Club.

[6] And I'm going to definitely start doing more of those.

[7] I'll be doing those on a regular basis now, now that Jay Leno's not doing the Tonight Show anymore.

[8] They used to be his spot, the Sunday spot, so they're giving him to a bunch of different comics.

[9] So I love that place, and I'll be there on a regular basis as well as the Ice House.

[10] Boom, shlock, lock, boom.

[11] And without that, no further ado, boom, hit the music, young Jamie.

[12] Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

[13] The Joe Rogan Experience.

[14] Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[15] All right, where to even begin?

[16] with this one um you think it'd be cool to watch the fight and instead of thinking of all the talking about different pieces of it because there's so many different aspects to it we could you think it'd be cool for the viewer if we watch it and i just tell you what i'm saying to him sure but are we allowed to do that like metamores are they paying people to uh do you have to people have to pay to watch it how it's on youtube should we probably should ask though before he would love it dude are you kidding me well let's ask him on the air are you kidding me?

[17] Let's ask them on the air.

[18] I hope I can actually call him from here.

[19] I think it'd be cool.

[20] The signal in this place is kind of sketch.

[21] Just to give people background, what are we talking about here?

[22] Okay, Eddie Bravo, one of my favorite human beings to ever walk the earth, my brother, who I've known, we became best friends, like almost instantly.

[23] We started hanging out together in the late 90s.

[24] Was it, like in the late 90s, like 2000, somewhere close to 2000?

[25] I knew you from John Jock.

[26] in like 97 you were the guy who was on an actor who's on a TV show you were doing news radio but I'd never seen news radio but oh that's that one actor dude and you were taking privates and you didn't do that many group classes at first you thought you were doing the dope shit for the group classes are for the peasants the privates are that's where you get the real shit that's what you were thinking well I thought I was going to learn quicker I don't want to talk bad about that dude you know he was a real good guy to teach me I really like them but But it wasn't, it doesn't, you have to roll with a bunch of other people.

[27] It's just a fact.

[28] You know, whenever I hear someone tell me, I'm going to take private lessons, I'm going to do some jujitsu, take private lessons.

[29] Like, well, you could definitely learn more than the average person.

[30] But if you want to really learn jujitsu, you got to get dirty.

[31] You got to get in there.

[32] And I didn't figure that out.

[33] I didn't figure that out until I started rolling with you.

[34] So I started hanging out with you.

[35] I was calling Halleck right now.

[36] But the guy was a good guy.

[37] He just We got a story for you, ladies and gentlemen There's a back story of this podcast I think he's mad at me, man I haven't heard from him I doubt it Yeah, he's mad at me Don't say that You're putting it out there, jinxing I don't know I'm like Hello Hallik, it's Joe Rogan Hey before you say anything We're on the air right now We're live I just I wanted to I wanted to know what your feelings were Out of respect When it comes to YouTube The videos being up on YouTube are you trying to pull those down because we were going to play one and talk about it, but only with your permission, because I didn't know if you were pulling those down off the internet.

[38] Okay.

[39] All right, remember, we're on live, so don't give out any information right now.

[40] Don't get crazy.

[41] So we can play it, though, on the podcast, and we can talk about it over it?

[42] Yes, we say.

[43] Beautiful.

[44] And, man, it's my permission, but with YouTube, but of course, that's a long process.

[45] Yeah.

[46] Well, that's a great attitude, too.

[47] I mean, let them know.

[48] This is a really awesome event you put on, and people should support an event like that, just with their own ethics.

[49] Regardless of whether it's available for free, that's my feeling.

[50] Metamoris is an awesome thing for Jiu -Jitsu, and we should all support it.

[51] Beautiful.

[52] That's a beautiful attitude.

[53] I agree a thousand percent.

[54] That's not even a real number, right?

[55] You can only get to 100.

[56] Hey, listen, man, I just want to tell you, whatever you need, man, if you want to have me promote the next ones, I'm totally down.

[57] That was an awesome event.

[58] You had some really high -class matchups with really great jujitsu talent.

[59] It was a pleasure to watch, man. I really, really enjoyed it.

[60] So I'm going to support you in any way with this, because I just think it's an awesome thing you're doing.

[61] Let's do it.

[62] Let's do it, brother, because I'm a big fan.

[63] Let's do it, brother.

[64] Let's do it.

[65] All right.

[66] I'm live.

[67] I'm going to go.

[68] So we'll talk to you soon.

[69] All right.

[70] All right.

[71] Take care, my friend.

[72] Hey, Matt, of you, dude.

[73] I don't know.

[74] I haven't heard from him.

[75] So I thought...

[76] He's probably busy, you know.

[77] His uncle's probably upset at you.

[78] Well, I know.

[79] Hoyst is mad at me. Let's explain what happened.

[80] I'm thinking maybe Alex mad at me, too.

[81] This is what's going on.

[82] For people who don't know.

[83] Eddie Bravo is famous for one very particular upset a long time ago.

[84] In 2003, we went down to Brazil, and Eddie was competing in the Abu Dhabi World Submission Championships, which is the biggest event in Nogi Gravling.

[85] It's a huge, huge event.

[86] And this is the event that gave birth to legends like Marcelo Garcia, you know, where people got to see him perform for the first time.

[87] And, I mean, there's so much high -level matchups, recently Crone Gracie, who he had on the podcast, had his huge victory in Abu Dhabi.

[88] Eddie went down there, and Hoyler Gracie is maybe one of the most decorated graces ever when it comes to competition.

[89] I think probably the most right up next to Hodger, right?

[90] Yeah, they're the top two.

[91] I mean, Hoyler is a legend, a true legend.

[92] Multiple ghee championships, world championships, and multiple.

[93] Abu Dhabi no gui championships.

[94] He won it three times in row.

[95] No one's ever scored a point on him.

[96] The guy is about as good as you can get for that 45 division.

[97] His dad is Helio Gracie.

[98] His dad was literally the founder of Brazilian Jiu -Jitsu along with Carlos Gracie.

[99] I mean what his dad did was nothing short of like for when you put into perspective the like the history of martial arts and different people like Bruce Lee obviously plays a huge part in making my martial arts exciting, getting people into martial arts.

[100] Chuck Norris also, huge part, Jean -Claude Van Damme, a very big power.

[101] That gets people into the schools in the first place.

[102] But when you talk about a person who's like maybe the single most important person in all of martial arts, it might be Aelio Grayson.

[103] I mean, he might be the most important person ever.

[104] A small man who used leverage and beautiful technique to submit people took on all -comers.

[105] We had 140 pounds and he was fighting these giant dudes.

[106] I mean, it's an amazing family.

[107] The whole family is just what a crazy movie -type family.

[108] I mean, you think about like a family that wouldn't even exist in the real world.

[109] How about a family where one bad motherfucker, this one jiu -jitsu genius, Aalio Gracie, has a bunch of sons, and they all turn out to be bad motherfuckers?

[110] I mean, whatever, what other guy has had, like, produced 20 killers, 30 killers, in his own brood.

[111] Well, if you get into the story with Carlos Gracie, his older brother, he's the one who actually learned jujitsu and showed it to Helio.

[112] And they both fought and stuff, but towards the, as they got older, Carlos fought less and managed Helio more so because Helio became the beast.

[113] And Helio is the one who refined and tweaked the system and made it what it is.

[114] is to date, technically.

[115] But without Carlos learning it, Helio would have never learned Jiu -Jitsu.

[116] So it was really...

[117] They were both very important.

[118] Helio designed it and polished it and tweaked it, but Carlos is the one that showed him the raw techniques from what he learned from Maeda, I think his name is...

[119] Yes, yes.

[120] I mean, and I don't even...

[121] When we're saying this, there's no disrespect.

[122] That's a movie.

[123] How come they haven't made a fucking big blockbuster James Cameron movie about the Graces?

[124] Come on.

[125] Who would play Hickson?

[126] But you know what?

[127] Jiu -Jitsu.

[128] guys would be so disappointed because in an hour and a half they'd have to just gloss over shit and like the real story is way more complicated yeah yeah it would it would can you imagine to in an hour and a half you explain the whole gracey story with all the brothers and carlson and helson and all their different stories and health and high in and that's dude they would have to have like the high end edge would be like 10 minutes of the movie that's it they'd have to high end would you know the folks who don't know high end was like the crazy grace called him gracey devil He was like one of the wildest guys He fought in pride as well A lot of them fought in pride Of course Henzo Hensel fought in pride I mean there's so many great people Great martial artists That came out of that family Hi and Hensow and Half were all brothers And they were like They were like the Tasmanian devils But Hensow was probably The most friendly I think Hyan and Half were just ready to throw down at any time With anybody They were the true pit bulls And Hensel was a pit bull too and according to the Machadoes and their stories Henzo was always the one laughing and joking and everyone loved him but he was always in the middle of a fight.

[129] Someone would want to fight him and they'd be a riot and, you know, Henzo has, Henzo is like a super happy -go, lucky guy but he has a side to him that he could be, he could turn it on and - Well, you remember when he live -tweeted, beating up those muggers?

[130] Yeah.

[131] Dude, this is what a bad motherfucker Henzo Gracie is.

[132] And he thanked the mayor for not allowing guns.

[133] So I don't, not for worry about my gun.

[134] And he went out and these guys apparently, they were following him and they were thinking about mugging him.

[135] And not only did he beat these guys up, like he was live tweeting it and chasing after them.

[136] He knew there were eyeing him for some reason.

[137] He knew he was being targeted.

[138] And they were targeting Henzzo Gracie.

[139] Fuck.

[140] What a huge.

[141] That would have to be in the movie somehow.

[142] they would have to squeeze that.

[143] That would be like a lost scenes.

[144] You know what I mean?

[145] It didn't quite make the story.

[146] They couldn't make it fit.

[147] But that's a crazy, that's a modern -day Gracie story.

[148] Because you hear about all these old Gracie Dojo Storm stories, and there's all these legendary stories.

[149] He tweeted pictures of his hands.

[150] Yeah, this is modern day old -school Gracie stories, right?

[151] And it's only a couple.

[152] What is it a year ago?

[153] What year was it?

[154] What year was it?

[155] What did it say up there?

[156] And the crazy thing is, I was on Twitter when it was happening.

[157] I was watching it live as it was happening.

[158] I was actually on Twitter while he was tweeting.

[159] These guys are following me. Check this out.

[160] And he was taking pictures.

[161] He goes, I'm going to lure them into like some alley or to a corner.

[162] And he beat the fucking shit out of these poor guys.

[163] He took pictures of his hands all busted up and bloody.

[164] He's probably had so many connections in NYPD.

[165] You know what I mean?

[166] Like he knew that if he needed to beat up some muggers that no one would ever give him.

[167] And he's stressed.

[168] He's so connected.

[169] Well, he's also talking about it with like such glee like it reminded him of, you know, growing up in Rio.

[170] He really is like, I mean, he's in New York City.

[171] You know he's about as connected as you can motherfucking get.

[172] Come on.

[173] for sure.

[174] There's a lot of cops who train J Jitsu.

[175] how many cops do we know?

[176] Connected to every, yeah.

[177] Every side of New York.

[178] You know?

[179] I bet he knows some serious mobsters and shit, right?

[180] I would imagine.

[181] Probably knows at least one.

[182] You know what I mean?

[183] For sure.

[184] The mobsters is when I hang out with Henzo.

[185] You know what I mean?

[186] Gangsters would love to hang out with Henzo.

[187] That's a real -life killer right there.

[188] He's a great guy, too.

[189] Yeah, that's the real deal.

[190] The thing about Henzo is his personality is so fucking great.

[191] Like, when you're around him, he's always hugging people and super friendly.

[192] Like, she's got a great energy to him.

[193] Yeah.

[194] And he's a bad motherfucker.

[195] My favorite Gracie of all time.

[196] And I love, there's a lot of Gracie's, man, that I love personally, that I know personally.

[197] There's a lot that I don't even know.

[198] Like, I've never met.

[199] Like, I've never sat down and talked to him.

[200] Horion.

[201] I've never sat down and talked to Hodger.

[202] You know what I mean?

[203] There's a lot of great, Helson.

[204] I never sat down and talked to Helson, but the Gracy's that I did have, do have relationships with and did have time to talk and get to know.

[205] My favorite all time is Rose Gracie.

[206] I love her to death.

[207] That is one of the sweetest, coolest chicks on the planet.

[208] And she's, you know, you're either come from the Helio side or the Carlos side.

[209] She's the only one her and her sister that come from both because horian her dad married his cousin so helio gracie is her grandfather carl's gracie is a great -grandfather weird right so rose gracie is the most gracie she's grace she's double gracey she's double gracie her blood it's like vampire gracey blood you know what i mean there's her and her sister are so gracey that's wow double gracie and she's the coolest one to me to me out of all the ones I've met I love her we work together and with the she runs the Gracie Nationals and the Gracie World and we work together and man she's she's awesome I can't say I love Henner I know Henner I know Heeron they've always been cool to me I want to get those guys in the podcast too obviously you just heard that I said I would do Halleck I would love to do him on as well but Henner and Huron have done a fucking amazing job of promoting Jiu -Jitsu and in a technical sense by showing those gracy breakdowns.

[210] Those are great, man. Those are really fucking, they're entertaining.

[211] Henner is, like, really captivating.

[212] He's got, like, a great energy to him.

[213] He's, like, a natural speaker, a natural instructor.

[214] From all those years of teaching jujitsu classes, but he's very entertaining, like, his cadence and everything.

[215] But very technical in their jiu -jitsu delivery, their passion comes through.

[216] It's very obvious.

[217] They really like what they do.

[218] And I find that infectious, you know.

[219] Yeah.

[220] Those guys are awesome.

[221] Heron has always been cool to me. Heard, always been cool.

[222] and Cron Gracie, I just got to...

[223] Very cool.

[224] Now I've met him, and we've talked.

[225] He's so cool.

[226] He went to my after party.

[227] That's how cool.

[228] Cron Gracie went to my after party.

[229] That's awesome.

[230] Yeah, that's pretty crazy, right?

[231] He's an awesome guy.

[232] I told him, like, aren't you going to get killed for this?

[233] What are you doing here?

[234] This is like a pure 10th planet after party.

[235] Everybody here is 10th planet.

[236] And he's just so cool.

[237] It's so damn cool, man. I love that guy.

[238] Well, there's always these inter -dent...

[239] family feuds.

[240] There's a lot of weird shit that goes on.

[241] Point being, here's the story.

[242] Eddie goes down there, huge underdog.

[243] Hoyler Gracie's a legend.

[244] We're talking about a legend from the most legendary family.

[245] That's one thing you can say unequivocally.

[246] What is the most legendary family of martial arts?

[247] The Gracies, for sure.

[248] 100%.

[249] There's not even a close second.

[250] Probably the most legendary family that's ever existed.

[251] Ever.

[252] Like what other family is known for something like that?

[253] Like a big, huge family.

[254] World champions.

[255] Known to be experts at strangling human beings.

[256] Not just experts, but think of the amount of champions.

[257] Hoist Gracie, the very first UFC champion, who arguably changed the world's opinion instantaneously of martial arts.

[258] That one guy.

[259] Super legend.

[260] Hoist Gracie.

[261] Then you've got Henzhou Gracie, another champion.

[262] You've got Hoyler Gracie, the most decorated.

[263] him and Hodger, the most decorated champions.

[264] Hickson, who beats all of them.

[265] Hickson, who's the best, or you ask any of them, they say Hickson's the best.

[266] How crazy is that?

[267] That's insane.

[268] Yeah.

[269] That's what a bad motherfucker hickson.

[270] Hicksen whips Huyler.

[271] He whips everybody, you know.

[272] But all, even though they get whipped by Hickson, they're still legends.

[273] They're still better than most of the people walk.

[274] And so it's so crazy, the different levels.

[275] That is the most legendary for real family of all time.

[276] Yeah, it really is.

[277] about that they're the family business is breaking bones and putting people to their death with their bare hands that's the family business it's pretty crazy who's who's more hardcore than the graces there's uh there's some video uh it was like a demonstration that hickson did where hickson uh and hoiler had like a little sparring demonstration you know i don't know what it was though.

[278] I don't know what was orchestrated.

[279] It was like at one of those Japanese events, like maybe pride.

[280] Yeah, they were just messing around.

[281] They just sort of demonstrated some techniques, you know.

[282] But the only video that I've seen of them rolling is like there's some no -gee video of them rolling.

[283] You know, but any video that involves Hickson and his brother ultimately leads to the brother tapping.

[284] Yeah.

[285] Which is insane.

[286] Everyone gets smashed by Hickson.

[287] That's insane.

[288] When you think about that this one guy and a family of fucking super champions, this one guy rises to the top, over all of them universally acknowledged.

[289] And even the Brazilians that did Jiu -Jitsu that there's a lot of rivalries between the graces and it gets really technical.

[290] And there's certain graces don't like other graces.

[291] And that's normal in all families.

[292] It's just normal.

[293] So the fact that it's a jiu -jitsu family, that doesn't mean they're immune to what all families go through.

[294] All families have division.

[295] This aunt is not talking with that aunt.

[296] My mom is not talking to her sister.

[297] They hate each other for three years.

[298] like everyone's just it's that's just the way families are so they're not immune to it so it's totally normal but uh when you get into what's really going on man uh it's just it's insane is what it is it's like the this one family that has created such an empire of martial arts and in my opinion changed martial arts forever i think hoist gracie and his victory in the ultimate fighting championship was one of the most important moments in the history of martial arts without a doubt if not the most important because people got to see what really works people got to see something in a way that you never saw before you never saw a small man who didn't look physically imposing dismantle other people with technique yeah and the whole even though horion was the guy that actually made it happen physically the whole family was involved because horion is the one who it was his idea we need to put the show on in the States and prove that Jiu -Jitsu is the most effective martial art. We could do this, but it was because of what he saw Hickson doing, because of what he saw Hoyler doing in the dojo storm matches and Gracian action tapes.

[299] It was because what his father, Helio, spread to everyone.

[300] That's what made, Horian wouldn't have the drive and the vision if he didn't see what Hickson was doing on a daily basis.

[301] and what his dad did and know the history of what his dad did.

[302] All that, everybody, Carlson Gracie, he was using all the Carlson Gracie fighters and the Gracian action tapes.

[303] It was all that, all the Gracie events, and all the Gracie people that were all involved, and Horillon needed all that to explode the UFC.

[304] So it wasn't just Horon.

[305] It was everybody.

[306] Horon couldn't have done it alone.

[307] Right.

[308] So that's why there was some division, Some guys wanted to go here and say, you know, I'm going to do this on this side.

[309] And then, you know, that people, but that's totally normal.

[310] But also there was some things opening up in other countries, too.

[311] Like Hickson started doing Japan Valley Tudow was around the same time.

[312] Wasn't it only around 94, 95.

[313] Everything just exploded.

[314] Yeah.

[315] When Hoyst blew it all up, all the people that were involved down the chain, Carlson and all those guys and everyone, they said, okay, this is, we're all part of this.

[316] So then it just grew and exploded and the Gracie.

[317] it just instantly jiu -jitsu just spread all over the world instantly everybody needed jiu -jitsu martial arts masters were traveling all of they're all going into jiu -jitsu all these american guys going into rio you know it just became like uh uh the thing to do man in martial arts is go to brazil and and then we we got exposed to chuscarillas and and assay and all that shit's here because of jiu jutsu yep and that's one of the things about um about martial arts a lot of people don't realize is that for maybe thousands of years it pretty much remained the same when the graces came along that was what really kick started it to this level right now you know you can say that jiu jitsu is not the most important martial art but historically it's the most important martial art unquestionably like that one event people where people got to see a guy like hoist dominate these bigger stronger guys and he wasn't a scary looking physical it didn't like wasn't built like mike tyson or anything like that he wasn't built like roy jones junior where you look at him and you go whoa how can that guy move that guy moves like a ghost wasn't that was just technique you know so a pretty pretty amazing thing to watch it's one of the things people don't realize too about chuck norris chuck norris was ahead of the fucking curve man chuck norris even though like a lot of people associated him with like walker texas ranger and you know like movies and tv shows now chuck norris was a legit kickboxer like legit champion kickboxer legit karate champion.

[318] He was a bad motherfucker and he really was into martial arts into training in martial arts and learning new things.

[319] And when did he start training with the Machadoes?

[320] Way before the UFC.

[321] Way before the UFC, right?

[322] Like, didn't he have like a...

[323] Late 80s?

[324] He had like a purple belt or a brown belt before the UFC, before the first UFC.

[325] He was responsible somehow for the UFC getting moved along.

[326] And there were some kind of connections, you know, because once Chuck Norris discovered jujitsu he was all over and he just immediately injected it into his chuck norse system anybody that's in the chuck norse affiliation system they have to do jujitsu yeah that's a karate association that requires you to do brazilian jiu jutsch norse is the man yeah he um i met him twice i met him once when i was at you with you we met him at some uh kickboxy event remember one we'd see that world combat league thing pitt sprat fought on that way yeah dude there was that was a lot Raymond Daniels, too, I think, was on that card.

[327] A lot of great fighters.

[328] That was fun as hell.

[329] But just meeting Chuck Norris was like, holy, but I didn't get a picture.

[330] I met him again recently.

[331] I got a picture of him.

[332] That guy's a real deal, man. You know, what he did, and he's such a humble guy, too.

[333] Like, all these guys, I was on this dais, this dais to, this guy Jim Harrison, who's a famous karate champion as well.

[334] They were congratulating him.

[335] And Chuck Norris was like, all of his stories, like, involve, like, bad things happening to him.

[336] All of his stories involved, like, he panicked.

[337] He couldn't talk in front of people, so he told this hilarious story about not even remembering talking, not even remembering giving a speech because he was so terrified to speak in front of people.

[338] Like, very self -deprecating, you know, was where a lot of those, you know, you get into that sort of an event, and a guy looks for it as an opportunity to go in the glory days and talk about his past victories and that kind of shit.

[339] Chuck Naras said, none of that.

[340] He was laughing, smiling, you know, just self -deprecating.

[341] That guy's a legit martial artist, like a real legit martial artist.

[342] Yeah, and of course, you know, with that kind of mentality, as soon as you discover that there's a big weakness in your game, you want to fill that shit and fill it immediately.

[343] So he got it, he was into Gracie Jujitsu.

[344] Then he started training with the Machadoes and got really tight with them.

[345] ended up getting his black belt from Carlos, I think.

[346] And that's why Carlos went to Texas.

[347] Mm -hmm.

[348] And that's who I got my black belt from, Jean -Jacques Machado.

[349] One of the great Machado brothers, there's five of them, Higgin, Johnny, Hager, and Jean -Jacques, and Carlos.

[350] And John Jock is another, I mean, the Machado family is another legendary family as well.

[351] I mean, you think Higin, Hodger, Jean -Jacques.

[352] I mean, that family as well became legendary for, like, very, very high -level.

[353] level black belts.

[354] Yeah, the cousins of the graces.

[355] Yeah.

[356] They were cousins.

[357] Yeah, I mean, and there's a photo of them.

[358] Look, and John Jock is just a beautiful human being.

[359] I love that guy.

[360] No Spartan.

[361] He's just got such a great energy to him.

[362] That's a great picture right there.

[363] That is.

[364] That's like 1993.

[365] Five boys.

[366] Five boys from Brazil.

[367] All badasses in Jiu Jitsu.

[368] All five of them.

[369] That's pretty crazy.

[370] It is crazy.

[371] You know, because when Jiu Jitsu exploded, all the Gracies said, I'm going to make my own shit.

[372] And they all just made their own schools.

[373] And Hensel went to New York.

[374] And, you know, Half goes to San Francisco.

[375] And they take their markets and shit.

[376] And Horion did the Torrance thing.

[377] That was like the main Gracie place.

[378] And then all the graces started spreading.

[379] And some stayed in Brazil.

[380] The Matratos, man, five boys, five brothers.

[381] They all came out and they just opened up a school together in Redondo Beach.

[382] And then the second one in the Valley in Tarzana.

[383] That's where I ended up going.

[384] But, man, it was pretty crazy, man. You have five boys, and they're all around the same age.

[385] Can you imagine?

[386] Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.

[387] You have five boys?

[388] And they all look very similar.

[389] And they're all yoked.

[390] They're all killers.

[391] And every one of them.

[392] Every one of them is a badass at Jiu -Jitsu.

[393] That's pretty remarkable.

[394] But the Gracie's got, that's just another day in the park for the Gracie's.

[395] Every family.

[396] If you're a Gracie man, and you got a Gracie last name and you're not doing Jiu -Jitsu?

[397] What?

[398] What happened now?

[399] I want to document...

[400] Are there any?

[401] I don't know.

[402] That's a good question.

[403] That would be a really hilarious comedy sketch, like a Tim and Eric sketch.

[404] The one Gracie who didn't want to do Jiu -Jitsu, is one Gracie's just into, like, dance or something.

[405] I bet that happens sometimes.

[406] I bet that, you know what?

[407] I don't...

[408] Everyone in the family does Jiu -Jitsu, and then I want to do this.

[409] I want to be an artist.

[410] Or I want to be...

[411] And then you try that for a while, and you're like, shit, I can make some easy money just using my name.

[412] name of jujitsu and then you realize fuck it you realize what you have and you have a great thing you your whole family are experts it's choking people and taking their arms and you're choosing this other shit you have this life for you right here some people just want to be their own individual though you know but that is a good question what what percentage of gracie men didn't do jrits i bet zero i'm going with zero wow that that would be remarkable man i think they raised them with it for the time they were children yeah if you have gracey is your last thing you have no choice you're going to do jiu -jitsu.

[413] That's incredible, right?

[414] It's pretty incredible.

[415] So, 2003, we're in Brazil, giant match.

[416] Eddie beats Gustavo Dantes, who is a very high -level jujitsu black belt, and he taps him, gets his back.

[417] So I saw that you're pumped up, you know, you felt very confident, you felt good, and you were, you know, you were zoned in.

[418] But the idea that you were going to fight Hoyler Gracie seemed so crazy to me. Just knowing what I know about the Gracie's, knowing what I know.

[419] about the history of the family, knowing what a legendary family there, to see you, my best friend, standing there with Hoyler Gracie, and you guys are about to grapple.

[420] I'm like, and we're in Brazil.

[421] I'm like, dude, this is a fucking trip.

[422] I was starstruck.

[423] I thought I was watching some 3D TV or something.

[424] Feels like you're right there on the mat.

[425] And Eddie wound up catching him in a triangle.

[426] And it was the craziest fucking thing I've ever seen in my life.

[427] And it was like time.

[428] stopped.

[429] It was like when you slapped that triangle on him, it seemed like time stopped.

[430] It didn't even seem real.

[431] And you kept, uh, you kept jailbreaking, man, which is like, was hilarious.

[432] That dexterity that you have with your legs and you're setting up this Omapata here.

[433] And, um, you got him in like full, full rubber guard here.

[434] Yeah, that was, that was the beginning of the rubber guard.

[435] Yeah, you, what you had then was the ability to control people.

[436] You just didn't have as many variations on technique.

[437] to attack with, but you have this unbelievable fucking flexibility that a lot of people aren't aware of.

[438] You got some weird flexibility, and not just flexibility, but dexterity.

[439] Like, in places that maybe some people can grab their leg and put it, you could put your leg there on its own.

[440] But there's so many guys that are out there that are...

[441] It's not that weird of flexibility.

[442] It's just getting into Lotus.

[443] Like, if you got into yoga and you got obsessed with it, eventually, you...

[444] Two years, three years, five years, you'd have to be able to get into the very basic lotus position.

[445] Yes, there's a little more than that, fella, you're being nice.

[446] That's what it is.

[447] I know what you're saying, but the reality is you got some crazy legs.

[448] There's something weird about your legs.

[449] Your legs are like arms.

[450] They move in strange ways.

[451] Right here's, if you didn't try to pass right there and if he just stayed in my guard, I wouldn't have gotten them.

[452] This wouldn't happen, this transition.

[453] Boom.

[454] If he would have just stayed.

[455] Yeah, he got aggressive and he should.

[456] shouldn't have got aggressive.

[457] If he, if he would have just been conservative, I wouldn't have been able to go right here, right into the triangle.

[458] Boom.

[459] Overhook.

[460] All jean jock right there.

[461] That's all joan jock right there.

[462] Yeah, you control that wrist and then slapped it over.

[463] And now this right here where you had the triangle locked in, once here, like right there, I was like, holy shit.

[464] Because before it was like one of those things where you're not breathing because it's not totally locked in.

[465] But once you had it locked behind the knee, I was looking at it, I was like, how is this guy going to survive?

[466] And he's tapping.

[467] I was like, he can't survive.

[468] Like, no one can.

[469] It's a human being.

[470] When you have a guy your size and you slap a triangle on him this tight.

[471] See, right here I wasn't sure, bam, there I knew.

[472] Like, once he dropped down, it was like, holy shit, that's locked in.

[473] You were screaming, man. Oh, my God.

[474] We were the only one screaming because everybody else was freaking out.

[475] This Brazilian TV station that set up cameras there.

[476] They shut down the other matches so they could better light this match.

[477] because Hoyler Gracie's a hero and they were going to show Hoyler Gracie dominating the first time Abu Dhabi came to Sao Paulo when you slapped this triangle on him dude all you heard was me and Jamie Walsh me and Jamie Walsh were yelling out pull the head pull the head oh my God oh my God it was just madness like oh shit what we couldn't even believe it and then once you did pull the head and once he did tap It was like the world froze.

[478] It was weird.

[479] It was like, it didn't make sense.

[480] The world just became some new place.

[481] The world just a totally new element opened up.

[482] Like, the world became a new place.

[483] Now, all of a sudden, Eddie Bravo was a champion martial artist.

[484] Well, I didn't win the championship.

[485] It doesn't matter.

[486] You just tapped Hoyler Gracie.

[487] Like, you're capable of tap into Hoyler Gracie.

[488] That's championship level shit.

[489] You tapped one of the greatest guys of all time.

[490] It was a whole new world opened up.

[491] Yeah.

[492] It was just all of a sudden.

[493] and it was like, whoa, this is weird.

[494] Yeah, it was weird.

[495] It was weird to watch too, man. Because when I met you, you were a purple belt.

[496] You were a really good purple belt.

[497] We're crazy moves and shit.

[498] And then all of a sudden you were a brown belt, and you were a brown belt and Abu Dhaboble.

[499] That's crazy.

[500] You tapped him when you were a brown belt.

[501] So 11 long years go by.

[502] And this Saturday night, they had a rematch.

[503] Eddie and Hoyler had a rematch.

[504] and Meta Moris, and that's what we were talking to Halleck Gracie about on the phone.

[505] They're promoting these professional jiu -jitsu matches, and it's awesome.

[506] Keenan Cornelius fought Kevin Casey.

[507] Kevin Casey took, you got to pee?

[508] I'll just describe the whole event.

[509] A lot of really, really high -level fighters fought, a lot of really good jiu -suitous fighters fought.

[510] And the main event was Eddie versus Hoyler -Gracy, and 11 years running.

[511] I mean, it's a long time in between matches, and there was so much talk, so many haters, so many believers, so many, I mean, there's so much back and forth between, you know, the people that thought that Eddie winning the first time was a fluke, and the people that legitimately thought that Eddie has a brilliant mind and a creative mind for jujitsu that's really unique.

[512] And he can come up with a lot of techniques, and his, like, he's talking, he doesn't want to admit that he's got weird dexterity.

[513] tearing in his legs, but he can move his legs in weird ways.

[514] He can wrap you up in triangles and stuff in weird ways without a lot of people have to grab their foot and place in places.

[515] So he has these techniques that he's developed and like really created a bunch of paths, like been, and a lot of jujitsu guys do this.

[516] This is not unique.

[517] But his paths were uniquely his in that he came up with a lot of different techniques and approaches and refined a lot of other approaches that he sort of adopted or adapted to Jiu -Jitsu.

[518] And the system in 2003 was really not even a tenth of what it is now.

[519] After 2003, Eddie started teaching and then it became crazy.

[520] Then the system started growing and new techniques were added and there became guys like Danny Propagos who's a world champion as a brown belt.

[521] Guys came out of there that were showing that your techniques weren't just for you and your crazy dexterity, but you had broken down things in a way that, you know, other people hadn't done before in a weird way.

[522] Your positions, you're very unique.

[523] And there was a lot of people that didn't want to accept that for whatever reason.

[524] And there was all this, oh, he got lucky, all fluke, all this.

[525] So Saturday night rolls around, and I couldn't imagine there being more anticipation in a room before something.

[526] And it was a cool anticipation, too, because one of the things I like about jujitsu is no one's going to get knocked the fuck out.

[527] Even if you get choked out, you know, there's something about, like, seeing a friend fight.

[528] It gets real rough.

[529] I mean, we've been friends with MMA fighters, but I've never been as friendly with an MMA fighters as I am with you, you know.

[530] But knowing a guy and liking a guy and watching him get head kicked, it's hard to do.

[531] You know, so it didn't have that aspect to it, but it was all positive is what I'm trying to say.

[532] It was all just, holy shit, it's going down.

[533] And once it did, there was no points because it's a 20 -minute match.

[534] So for 20 minutes, it's either submission or no points.

[535] But in that 20 minutes, you swept him on multiple occasions.

[536] You got side control.

[537] He never threatened you in any way, shape, or form.

[538] You swept him with electric chairs.

[539] You threatened him with a neck crank.

[540] And you threatened him with this nasty fucking submission move on his knee.

[541] which I don't, you know, I don't know how he didn't tap.

[542] Because that was hard to watch, man. We were sitting there watching.

[543] That was the move I got you on the high time.

[544] Yes.

[545] You know that move?

[546] The vaporizer.

[547] That move is so painful.

[548] Just that photo shoot, that shit hurt, man. It hurts.

[549] And somehow or another, Hoyler just, I mean, look, he's a warrior.

[550] He didn't want to tap.

[551] He just decided he wasn't going to tap.

[552] For people who have never seen jihitsu before, that was like the perfect introduction match because it was so exciting there was so much madness and there was a bunch of times where you were you were working on shit and he rolled you over onto your back and then he swept him again so there's all these like seesaws when he would roll you'd be on your back oh shit he's on his back but you on your back is different than a lot of people on your back because that's how you tapped him in the first fight you tapped him from your back your back is you know your guard is crafty so it was it was an incredibly thrilling match because there was constant threat at all times and even from him man he's still Hoyler Gracie you always knew I mean he's still that champion if something went wrong if you didn't dot your eyes and cross your teas I was not sure I was gonna win this fight how could you be sure he's fucking Hoiler Gracie I mean he's Hoyler fucking Gracie I never said that I'm gonna go out there and just strangle him I was just I didn't know I didn't compete in so long look right here I'm faking like I'm going to wrestle.

[553] Because I didn't think he was just going to let me pull him into quarter guard.

[554] I thought at this point, I'm like, wow, he just, I thought he was just going to try some totally different shit, but this is what he always does.

[555] Every morning before I work out, I warm up on the Stairmaster, I go to YouTube, put Hoyler, ADCC, pick one of his matches, and that's how I get, that gives me all the motivation.

[556] I just watch him roll, and he's so good at this, but I thought he would try to pass to the other side.

[557] And I thought this position, I thought this position was going to be the hardest to get.

[558] And this was the key.

[559] If I could just get quarter guard in this position, I felt like I could get them.

[560] And there's a bunch of crazy rules in this match as well.

[561] One of the rules was that Hoyler was wearing like these skin tight shorts.

[562] Eddie was wearing geepants.

[563] And Hoyler was allowed to grab Eddie's geepants, but Eddie wasn't allowed to grab Hoyler shorts.

[564] So it was weird to watch, man because there's times where he's like giving you a wedgy and pulling on your pants and yeah he's pulling him down he could see my underwear yeah and when and when he got to that uh leg lock and he's trying to defend that leg lock you're tearing his knee apart and he's hanging on to your your cuff it saved him the pants saved him yeah because if he didn't have the pants i would have stomped on that foot and got the extra power because he oh i mean uh man his i think his knee popped at least seven times we were talking i'm like we could stop this now are you sure because no i'm I'm fine, and I'm popping.

[565] I'm like, what about that?

[566] Because I'm fine.

[567] I'm like, it just kept popping.

[568] I'm like, damn, are you sure?

[569] Because everything's good.

[570] I said everything's fine.

[571] Like, we're talking throughout this whole match.

[572] Like, right here, he wanted the under hook really, really bad.

[573] So I was saying, it's hard to get this time, huh?

[574] Because the first time he got the undercook, undercooked.

[575] You say that too?

[576] Yeah, a lot of work, huh?

[577] It was a hard one.

[578] It's only because I would rather go against a guy who wasn't really mad at me. Right.

[579] If I could joke with you and get like, like, this is just, for fun.

[580] Right, right.

[581] Then I feel like, okay, I can get this guy now because I could win because he's not mad.

[582] But if he's mad, oh shit, like I would never want to fight like a Diego Sanchez type guy who's mad at me. I'm like, oh no, no, no. I want to find a guy that's like friendly and shit.

[583] That's hilarious.

[584] Yeah, so we were just constantly joking with him, constantly.

[585] And during, like after I swept him when I get on top in the electric turn, I'm holding me. you can't move from here.

[586] So just hang on and relax.

[587] I need about a minute to rust.

[588] I go, you can't do nothing, just relax.

[589] That's hilarious.

[590] Because there are some positions where, I don't know, maybe three or four positions are like cradles.

[591] They're like wrestling cradles.

[592] It happens here where the guy on the bottom just can't do anything.

[593] He's not getting tapped, but he can't move.

[594] He's completely wrapped up.

[595] And I use those spots to rest.

[596] But it's hilarious that you told them, just relax.

[597] You can't get out of this.

[598] When me and Jean -Jacques wrestle, we are always talking.

[599] and smack to each other me and John Jock always goof and we're always it's always a joke it's always always me and John it's like a thing we do and I do it there's certain guys that I roll with and I do that too I don't like to do it too much to my students because then it seems like I'm acting all arrogant against a guy that I right he's one of my students he's a blue belt or a white belt I'm not that would look really douchey no but see playful but because Jean Jock can smash me anytime he wants I talk I pretend like I'm arrogant because it's funny because he could do anything you want So no matter how douchey I get We know it just doesn't make any sense Because he's killing me But um So same thing here I have so much respect for him That I feel like I could just joke around with him And I don't want him to be mad at me Well that's good That's a good attitude to have man Especially after 11 years between the matches It's cool that you You kept that feeling And you were completely disres uh completely respectful rather uh the entire way up to it the promotion of it your your opinion of him you know you were you were like praising what a legend he is always always you were very self deprecating about your first victory too um this was a 20 minute match and because there was no submission it's a draw metamoros is doing a unique thing and they i don't know if they've got the rules totally ironed out where they want them to yet but what the what they're trying to do is discourage people from point fighting what that means is work towards submission at all times and you may get a submission and you may not get a submission but the the idea is you're you're seeing real jiu jitsu here and they've accomplished that like everyone was going for submissions whether it was guy mendez or hafa mendes or you know keenan cornelius everyone was going for submissions um sometimes they didn't get them but it was really exciting because of that because guys couldn't just sort of wrestle to a certain position and then hold um but if this was a scored match you would him handily.

[600] I mean, you swept him multiple times.

[601] You got side control on them, and you had two near submissions.

[602] This is where he gets the underhook.

[603] The crowd goes nuts because he has been fighting for the underhook for five minutes, and he finally gets it.

[604] And this is the position that we're in in our first match.

[605] So all the graces are like, yes, he got the underc.

[606] It's so technical that he finally got it.

[607] And I still have him in quarter guard here.

[608] So I was a little worried.

[609] But you see what I'm doing with my right hand?

[610] I'm going under the knee right here.

[611] I never really do that and I was keeping him from going no hand pass so I'm like okay cool this is nice he can't go no hand pass because I'm holding his leg out like that and I've never really done that before this is the first time it's crazy see how I have my left hand yeah he can't go no hand pass I'm holding open his legs so I felt comfortable even though I didn't have the underhook I just had to somehow get a lockdown so for my people they know they see me fighting like this all this is every day in the gym this is how it looks I start in this position.

[612] This is how it looks.

[613] So to the Gracie side, they probably thought he was winning right here.

[614] My mom was freaking out.

[615] My mom thought he was killing me. At this moment, you got the lockdown.

[616] Somewhere in here, you got the lockdown.

[617] And when you got the lockdown, here it is.

[618] The crowd went fucking crazy.

[619] Yes, that was crazy.

[620] I get the lockdown.

[621] My guys go nuts.

[622] He gets the underhook.

[623] His crowd goes nuts.

[624] I get the lockdown.

[625] My crowd goes nuts.

[626] It was crazy.

[627] The lockdown's way bigger, though.

[628] For folks who don't know, the lockdown when you got a guy who's really good at it and he has you in half guard and slaps it on your legs in jeopardy you might tear your fucking knee you're getting manipulated you got two legs against one and when a guy's really good at it a guy like eddie when they're really good at it and they have two legs against one it puts you in a precarious position and it's it makes you vulnerable to a lot of different sweeps and here you're flipping them backwards like that's when the crowd went nuts well dude you're you got his leg in a mangled position here There's electric chair right here.

[629] I didn't think this was the plan.

[630] The plan was exactly what happened.

[631] That was the plan.

[632] I was going to go, just do what I do at the gym every night.

[633] This is exactly what I do.

[634] Every night.

[635] This is nothing new.

[636] It wasn't a special strategy for Hoyler.

[637] So that was John Jock's whole plan is to get me to do what I normally do, the best shit I'm at, to do it out there on him.

[638] And then he reversed you for a second.

[639] I didn't have the leg on my shoulder So I go, let's go back And boom and get it So it looked like he swept me But I went back to put that leg back on my shoulder And I went rocked right back up So people thought he's like, dude I do it all the time You know, so now I'm in a position This is where you rocked it with momentum Because you had full control over that leg It just wasn't on my shoulder I had to go back and scoop it up So now I'm on top And now I'm in the electric chair on top And this is where I'm talking I'm like, you can't do anything here Just relax This is where I rest I went through a lot of explosion and I rest right here I have control of his leg That's why he was doing that thing with his hands Because people were wondering like Why is he throwing his hands up in the air Like you know like he did that a couple of times When you got him into side control He did that And then I passed the guard boom And right here I'm still He's still stuck I got him in a cradle But that makes sense now Because everybody wondered why he was doing that with his hands People like oh Hoyler was complaining No he's complaining because you were talking shit to him You were saying you're stuck here Don't move And maybe he was saying I can't do nothing He's holding me He's holding me Like this is jiu -jitsu.

[640] We're holding, we're clenching and squeezing.

[641] Right.

[642] You know, and he's all like, how could he complain about that?

[643] He's totally immobile here.

[644] Even though I pass, I let go of the lockdown and passed his guard, the reason why the pass was guaranteed is because of the control I have on his leg.

[645] I have a head and arm and the leg, so that pass was easy.

[646] As soon as I let go of the lockdown, didn't want to let it go until I rest a little bit.

[647] And then finally, I let go of the leg last, and now I'm inside control.

[648] And here's the big transition.

[649] I thought he was going to turn into me, but he turns away.

[650] So I'm like, oh, that's even easier, but he's rolling in a nice way.

[651] But I had to turn it into 100 % here.

[652] So this is halfway.

[653] This is a neck crank that I do to get the guy to give me his back.

[654] So I'm neck cranking him here.

[655] And if he pulls his left arm all the way out, I usually transition to the back.

[656] And that's what he did right there.

[657] So now I'm getting up.

[658] And his left arm's free now.

[659] So all I got to do is get up on my right knee and then swirl to the back.

[660] That's what I'm going to do here.

[661] I wanted the twister.

[662] That was the plan.

[663] The plan was to get him in a twister, but he did a really good job of just shrugging me off.

[664] So now I've got to start over again.

[665] So at this point I'm thinking, this is what I'm really thinking.

[666] I thought the most important thing for me is to go out there and not get smoked and not get tapped in 20 seconds or 30 seconds because that would be, that would crush me. That would be the worst possible thing.

[667] So let's make sure that doesn't happen.

[668] And if I lose, if I tap, at least let me go out there and give, We have 20 minutes.

[669] Let's see some good 10th planet techniques for my people just to show that it works.

[670] If he taps it.

[671] So at this point, I'm thinking I did so much to him right there.

[672] Textbook, 10th planet shit all the way through note for note that I thought if he, the worst case, now, if he taps me in one second, at least I got some good shit in.

[673] So in my mind, in my mind, because that's how much respect I have for him.

[674] Right, right.

[675] I'm like, he could still get me. I'm not over.

[676] We got like 13 minutes.

[677] So in my mind, I already won.

[678] I go, I won.

[679] So when you think that way and you're I thought I already did all this shit So the worst case scenario he tasked me out I did a good job So for some reason that made me just want to attack him more and go let's just keep putting let's just keep pounding up Oh here's another one damn and see if I could do another one oh here's another one and I just change shit I go damn I'm not going to go for a twister I'm going to go for a vaporizer So when I get him in an electric chair and he doesn't tap when I test this flexibility If they don't tap I can just just sweep them and get on top and set them up for a twister, which I already tried, but I made the decision.

[680] I go, you know what, there's a lot, he's pretty good at shaking me off the back.

[681] If I just go to the vaporizer, it'll look just as cool as the twister, and I do it all the time, and that's good enough.

[682] So that was the plan.

[683] I go, he's not stopping the electric chair, so I'm going to go back and get another, another, I thought about rubber guard for a second there, and I thought, you know what, you see how I got the underhook?

[684] You see that?

[685] I went rubber guard, locked down, whipped him.

[686] He had the underhook, but that, whip boom i sucked him around bam that's a little whip down combo a very important combo to master and now i got the under so i thought he's not stopping the electric chair tonight because if he would have been able to he can't or i'm able to do electric chair's easy so i knew i could just go back and more money in the bank i knew he couldn't stop it he just was perplexed here so i go you know what i'm i got to go to the vaporizer which means i got to get his leg over to my left shoulder on the other side I need to get my head.

[687] I just need to squash his leg down and get on top in a leg drag type position, but a leg drag with a lockdown to maintain control.

[688] So right now I go back to the electric chair for the third or fourth time, and I was really confident at this point.

[689] I just knew he wasn't going to tap from the electric chair, and I didn't want to pass his guard to get on top and try the twister.

[690] I already made the decision.

[691] So for folks who don't know what we're talking about here, the electric chair is a move where you got a guy literally in a full split, and you're controlling his bottom leg and the other leg you're you're forcing it up towards his head most people don't have the flexibility to tolerate it and a lot of times they tap just from that you're like literally ripping their crotch apart yeah and right here you know what i didn't get i didn't get the position i wanted so i'm letting him get on top so i can set it up again i go he cannot stop it he can't stop my underhugs i already knew i had him beat on the inside so i'm gonna i'm gonna set it up again and go back to the because i wanted the vaporizer he foiled a vaporizer.

[692] I lost control of his leg.

[693] So I got to start over again.

[694] So all of these times where he's on top where the audience is like, oh, the tide is shifted back and forth.

[695] This is just you resetting.

[696] Dude, he could not stop my half card game.

[697] I just, the confidence just kept growing and growing.

[698] So even though he has the under hook, I go, watch, I'm going to get the underhook back.

[699] I was already getting it back.

[700] There's no way you could stop it.

[701] See, that boom, whip down.

[702] I go, I'm just going to keep doing it.

[703] He can't stop it.

[704] So, and then I'm going to start all over.

[705] I know he's not going to be able to, he's not going to shake the lockdown.

[706] The lockdown's too strong.

[707] He was never close to ever getting his leg out.

[708] I was so confident at this point.

[709] I was getting a little gasped and I knew I could recover.

[710] All I needed is like a little time.

[711] So to hide the gassiness or the gassiness, I would stop breathing.

[712] I'm dying inside, but I would stop breathing.

[713] You know, like when Jason walks into your, house and you're in the closet and you're like, but then you go, yeah, I was doing that just so he wouldn't smell.

[714] Now I did it again.

[715] I knew I could do it again.

[716] Now I got to get his leg to the other side.

[717] I don't want, look at it.

[718] See, I'm holding on to his leg.

[719] I need to get it to the other side of my body, right?

[720] So I'm like, you know what?

[721] Damn, I lost it again.

[722] Let me let me chew it again.

[723] So look at that.

[724] I got to, let me do it again.

[725] They thought he reversed me, but I go, I'm just setting it up.

[726] Now I got the leg over right there.

[727] Boom.

[728] Now that's where I want to be.

[729] That's the transition right there.

[730] And I go, oh, I'm going to go after.

[731] Like, I thought about it for a second there, but I go, no, you know what?

[732] I'm going to roll.

[733] I can't just reach back for it.

[734] I got to have set it up.

[735] I'm going to set it up right here, squash him down.

[736] I thought about it again, but then he stopped it right there.

[737] And I go, okay, let me set it up differently.

[738] But then we got broke up here.

[739] And this is where all the controversy.

[740] Now, what the hell was going on here?

[741] I knew what position we were in was top stoner control.

[742] I knew the position I'm there all the time.

[743] He had no idea what I was doing.

[744] So, and he didn't know that I knew.

[745] He thought it was just some crazy, weird position.

[746] and he didn't know where he was.

[747] And I was, see, I pulled guard right here, and I was going to say, here, give me your leg, let me throw it over, I'm going to get on top, and we're going to go back, and I show you exactly the whole thing.

[748] I was going to show it, I was going to do it from the top.

[749] See, I'm trying to do it from step one, and then I was going to take him over, and I was showing him the sweep instead of just getting in the position.

[750] He's all confused.

[751] He don't know what's going on.

[752] I'm trying to, I go, you got to get your leg over.

[753] And he's not, he keeps refusing.

[754] I'm like, man, he's not.

[755] not letting me get in the position.

[756] And look, he's like, no, no, no. And he didn't know.

[757] In his defense, he didn't know the position, but I know exactly what's going on.

[758] He refuses to get in the position.

[759] And then I'm just thinking, I need to rest a little bit anyways.

[760] So this is bullshit.

[761] I'm not going to argue.

[762] Look, we're just arguing here.

[763] He won't let me. I know exactly.

[764] And then I decided that, fuck this shit.

[765] I'm not going to get fucked here.

[766] And the crowd was going nuts to yelling, replay, replay, replay, replay.

[767] And so Scott Nelson looks over right here.

[768] he looks over to Halleck and he goes, what do you want me to do, Halleck?

[769] Hallick said, stand him up.

[770] Start standing.

[771] And when, look, he's going to walk over right now and I said, what did he say?

[772] And then they put the replay on.

[773] He goes, Halleck said, stand him up.

[774] He said, stand him up.

[775] And I'm like, fuck that.

[776] We're not standing up.

[777] And then the replay comes on and everybody looks at the replay.

[778] And then Hoyler just gets down and gets into position.

[779] I go, look.

[780] Look with the, I know what position's going on.

[781] So he let me have it.

[782] See?

[783] He said, okay.

[784] No resistance once the video came out.

[785] Yeah, you kept trying to sneak that left knee in.

[786] Yeah, yeah.

[787] And this is top stoner control right there.

[788] Right.

[789] There's stoner control from the back.

[790] But he didn't have your wrists.

[791] He didn't have your wrists before the break.

[792] Well, it didn't matter.

[793] It didn't matter.

[794] None of this.

[795] What I want here is I want him to push me away because I'm going to dip and roll.

[796] I'm going to tuck and roll.

[797] But if he holds on to me, I can't tuck and roll.

[798] If he holds on.

[799] So I got to make it look like I want to smash him and squeeze him because I could pass at any time.

[800] The pass is guaranteed.

[801] Do you want the for sure pass?

[802] Or do you want to try to tuck and roll?

[803] and go for the kill right away and go after the vaporizer and I thought I'm going right for the vaporizer fuck passing his guard and then he recovers half guard and all that shit I wanted to go for the kill right here so right now I'm on my side I'm setting it up I need to be up on my knees but just all I do is need to get up see I'm getting up all I gotta do is really get on top but I know I could get on top of him anytime I want I know this position I'm just weighed now I'm on my knees I collected some gas I recovered he can't get out I'm in control here his legs are all mangled so what I want to do is turn to my right and roll on my left shoulder.

[804] But I'm resting.

[805] All I'm doing is resting.

[806] I'm going to turn to my right, roll on my left shoulder, but I need him to push me. So, see, I'm selling the fact that I want to squeeze him.

[807] And I want to see, and now he's pushing away.

[808] He bought it.

[809] He bought the fact that I wanted to squeeze him.

[810] So this is what I always do.

[811] So now I'm gurgling going, ah, like I hate this, like I hate this.

[812] But look, he's going to help me. See how he helped me?

[813] And he pushed me through.

[814] He pushed me through.

[815] And now you got this.

[816] I thought for sure he was going to tap.

[817] This is the vaporizer.

[818] No one has ever not tapped to this.

[819] This is, in my arsenal, the nastiest leglock.

[820] This is a, it's a calf crank, and it's a toehold at the same time, and he can't protect himself with his other leg, his other leg is, we're on his other leg, so his other leg is useless.

[821] I can use both my arms as opposed to the calf crank from the truck.

[822] The calf crank from the truck, you can't use both arms for fear of getting arm -barred with one of them.

[823] The left, yeah.

[824] Yeah.

[825] So you need to protect that other leg.

[826] Anyways, he's got a free leg to break shit apart.

[827] But from the vaporizer, he can't protect with his other leg.

[828] It's out of the mix.

[829] And you could use both arms because there's no arm bar.

[830] And it's a leg compression and a toe hold in one.

[831] It's the nastiest leg lock in my arsenal.

[832] And the fact that his leg popped at least seven times was popping and crack.

[833] And I'm telling him right here.

[834] I'm asking him, I go, dude, we can end this.

[835] And he's like, no. See that?

[836] He's like, no. I go, we can stop this.

[837] It keeps popping.

[838] He goes, that's normal.

[839] That's normal.

[840] I go, it keeps popping.

[841] dropping.

[842] And he refused the tap.

[843] He refused, man. And I was yanking.

[844] So I thought, I'm gonna, I was doing things I never did to that vaporized.

[845] I usually just grab the toes with both hands, twisted and pool.

[846] And it's really easy.

[847] And the calf crank from the truck, another thing that you need, you need to stomp your left, the inside of your left foot with your right foot.

[848] You got to shove your leg deeper into the back of his knee.

[849] Look how nasty that looks.

[850] But in the calf crunch, You need a stomp.

[851] In this one, you don't need a stomp.

[852] You could just keep your legs figure forward.

[853] Both arms, that's enough pressure.

[854] Just leave your legs figure forward.

[855] But if for some crazy reason, they don't tap like he didn't.

[856] Then you would go to the stomp to add even more pressure.

[857] But he was holding the ghee pant.

[858] So I could see he's holding my right leg.

[859] I need to use my right foot and stomp on the inside of my left foot.

[860] I need to pull it up and stomp on it.

[861] And you can't get his hands free.

[862] I can't get my leg free.

[863] You see how he's holding it?

[864] But, I mean, so I decided, you know what?

[865] I'm just, I generally don't need to stomp on that foot.

[866] So I'm still trying to make them tap like everyone else taps without it.

[867] But see, I was holding it.

[868] So I grab his foot.

[869] I'm twisting it.

[870] And I thought, there's like a minute left.

[871] I go, I'm going to give it everything I got one more time.

[872] And I just grab his foot something.

[873] I never do.

[874] And I twisted it and shoved it, like, try to shove it like in his ribs, man. And he still wouldn't tap and you're just popping.

[875] And it's just, he didn't care.

[876] He just kept going.

[877] He knew that if he didn't tap, it would be a draw, and that's what he needed.

[878] He couldn't have you tap twice.

[879] He tap him twice.

[880] He has nothing.

[881] The fact that he's holding on to my ghee pants there, that's what's saving him.

[882] It's so crazy.

[883] Yeah, he's in some serious danger right here.

[884] If you had to do it again, would you do it with ghee pants again?

[885] Yes, yes.

[886] Because the geepant made those electric chairs so easy.

[887] He was never close to pulling his leg out of the lockdown.

[888] The traction is just unbelievable.

[889] I mean, the pants were bad for him in a lot.

[890] a lot of ways, but it saved him right here.

[891] In this one position.

[892] Yeah, it did save them.

[893] But I would, yeah, I would I would have went back to pants anyways with that whole pant scandal thing.

[894] I asked to wear pants.

[895] They said, okay, you can wear pants if you promise not to change your mind.

[896] I wanted to change my mind.

[897] They said, you promise not to change it.

[898] And then so they made me wear what I asked for.

[899] So, I met his lawyer.

[900] His lawyer, it ended up being really, really cool, man. The guy that was trying to protect a hoiler from the pant.

[901] Oh, look at that.

[902] That's when you're twisting it?

[903] Dude, yeah, I'm pushing down and trying to smash the twist.

[904] He's obviously in some serious pain here, but it's incredible that he's not tapping.

[905] What do you think happened to the knee?

[906] If you had a guess.

[907] Is there some damage?

[908] I don't know.

[909] Maybe he his knee always pops, and that's the thing they say about him is that he won't tap to joint locks.

[910] Remember when Sakaraba got him in that Kamura?

[911] Yeah.

[912] And they stopped the fight, and he's like, don't stop the fight.

[913] I'm there all day.

[914] I'm fine.

[915] I don't get tapped from those things.

[916] Yeah, man. So like Halleck said, please don't watch this on YouTube.

[917] If you do watch it on YouTube, please support Meta Morris.

[918] Just go there and purchase one for $20.

[919] There's a lot of high -level matches and it was really fun.

[920] People kept saying you were going nuts.

[921] You were going crazy.

[922] They go, dude, you got to get watched video.

[923] If there's video of Joe watching your match, you were just exploding.

[924] Dude, I thought I was going to have a heart attack.

[925] I left there.

[926] I couldn't talk to people.

[927] I ran when the match is over how to get out of there because there's no way I was going to be able to have a conversation with like people on the street regular folks but I didn't know and I didn't want to have that conversation with anybody.

[928] I ran out of there.

[929] Dude, my heart was pounding.

[930] Yeah, they said you were going nuts.

[931] Were you drunk?

[932] No, not at all.

[933] Completely sober.

[934] Were you one of the guys that cheered when the lockdown came into place?

[935] And were you kind of worried in the beginning?

[936] Because it was like five minutes of joccing.

[937] He got the underhook.

[938] Even when he had the underhook?

[939] No, that didn't mean enough.

[940] Because it looked like the same match.

[941] It looked like 2003, right?

[942] I know too much about your game.

[943] I've seen you roll too many times.

[944] I felt it, too.

[945] I know what that lockdown is hot death.

[946] You get a hold of your leg, man. That's scary shit.

[947] I hate that feeling.

[948] Your lockdown is like you're being compressed in between boards.

[949] That's what it feels like.

[950] It's like you've figured out a way to do it and you do it so well.

[951] You've done it for so many years that you know the exact, correct, perfect angle to hit it where it's like bone is digging into meat.

[952] your shin bone is digging into meat, and you just, you do a thing.

[953] You know, I like the analogy that you always use with tying your shoes.

[954] That when you tie your shoes, you tie your shoes every day.

[955] So when you go to tie your shoes, it's just automatic.

[956] It just goes.

[957] It's magic.

[958] Yeah, you don't even think about it.

[959] It's just, you had no command, and that just happened on its own.

[960] And when you do jujitsu long enough, and you drill long enough, and you're in a certain position long enough, you develop that too.

[961] You see it with, the only forms of movements that I'm really knowledgeable about, or striking movements and grappling movements but you see it in those as well and I guess you see it in everything you see it in throwing a football you see it in baseball you see it in everything when someone gets some shit down and they really got it down like you know like Paul Sass in his triangle that motherfucker you know if you get caught in that guy's triangle that dude's been there a thousand times he's just got it he's got a just a feel for it that extraordinary feel that rarely happens like Ronda Rousey's arm bars same kind of thing and your lockdown is just death and I saw that once I saw the lockdown it was like oh he's in trouble like if he let him get that you were that confident fuck yeah man you know I would people were telling me of things you were saying before that matching your predictions and man that kind of stuff scares him like dude they you and John Jack have very conservative you and John Jock have so much confidence in me that that's like man like the feeling of getting smoked in what you guys would think like damn like you I didn't ever want that look in your eye, that what that, that, like, third or fourth time that I did that open mic night where I was getting a little confidence.

[962] And that one time I went on stage and I thought I'd do something different and not tell jokes, but talk about my, be like a comic talking about his wife and his girlfriend, but it's not really his wife and it ends up being some stripper and he's delusional and he thinks it's his wife.

[963] And I try to do that on stage.

[964] You know what I mean?

[965] Like later, but it was, it wasn't, uh, no one laughed and I got off stage and you were like, come here, follow me. You were like this.

[966] You were like, you couldn't even look me in the eye, dude.

[967] You were like, no, that's not true.

[968] No, no, no. You were like, what are we going to do?

[969] Come back with me. And you took me in the back and you fucking lectured me in a good way.

[970] Well, let me. He said, dude, you can't do shit like that.

[971] You got to be a bad motherfucker to pull something like that.

[972] No one gets it, dude.

[973] You got to tell jokes.

[974] You can't get up there and try to tell a story.

[975] It's an open mic night.

[976] He goes, dude, I've felt.

[977] Like, you talk about bombing on stage, you eat a thousand dicks.

[978] I felt that moment.

[979] What I was trying to do is figure out how I could describe it to.

[980] The reason why I wasn't looking at you in the eyes, I was like, come here, around.

[981] All I was thinking is how, what is the best way?

[982] Because this is a very sensitive moment.

[983] And I knew that it would be devastating.

[984] That's what it was.

[985] The very sensitive moment.

[986] So I'm trying to figure out how to.

[987] That look.

[988] That look.

[989] I don't want that look.

[990] I don't want that look of, oh, that's Joe's look of how can he be nice?

[991] to tell me something I did was terrible.

[992] How could he be nice?

[993] Like if I went out there and Hoyler just got me to ankle lock in five seconds, like right away, just right away.

[994] Like, let's say I did something stupid and I tried to pull guard and I clowned around a little bit for five seconds and I pulled guard and he got me at ankle lock and I tapped like before even Yanked it, I just tapped and it was like early tapage.

[995] It was the worst possible case scenario.

[996] And what would you, you'd be like the same thing.

[997] I'd be like, oh, shit.

[998] What would you say?

[999] What would you say?

[1000] Shit happens, bro.

[1001] Like, what could you say?

[1002] What can you say?

[1003] I don't want that look on your face, man. You know why?

[1004] You know why?

[1005] Because the more shit you talk to your friends and all that about, like, Eddie's going to dominate.

[1006] And, like, John Jock's making bets with people.

[1007] He's betting his house and shit.

[1008] I'm like, ooh.

[1009] Like, not only, you could handle me and you, like, dude, you fucked up.

[1010] But, like, all that shit you talked, you're like, damn, I talked a lot of shit.

[1011] I was on video.

[1012] That's not going to look.

[1013] That's going to sting.

[1014] I'm going to eat all those words.

[1015] Isn't it funny?

[1016] I think about that shit, too.

[1017] You talk, like, John Jacques's telling everyone.

[1018] Like, someone from the Gracie family called him up, and they wanted to make a bet, and John Jock said, you want, are you serious?

[1019] How sure I am he's going to win?

[1020] I'll bet your house.

[1021] You want to bet your house literally?

[1022] Bet your house.

[1023] He made a real bet, and the guy wouldn't take it.

[1024] Holy shit.

[1025] That's crazy shit, man. Like that one, when I was a purple belt, I was in the finals of a, tournament and John Jock was the the ref and the dudes that did my opponent in the final his coach like Jean Jock you can't rep this match that's your student this is ridiculous and then John Jock said okay you're right this ref this match doesn't need a rep and he sat down next to his other coach and goes because go ahead start fighting my boy's going to get your boy in an arm barn it's going to be his right arm and I everyone heard that and all of a sudden I'm like oh no I'm fucked talk about pressure no one's ever done shit like that that is a true story man that's a true story so what happened he sat down I got the guy in the arm bar so he did it because John Jacques said it or would you have gone for it anyway he says that it's almost like he says it he wants me to hear it so that I have no choice to go out there and fucking go to war you know what I mean like I have no choice motherfucker you know what I mean like whatever he has to say to make it happen because I just put because like I think think he knows that if there's enough pressure, that I'll be forced to do my game.

[1026] All he wants to do is play my game, right?

[1027] So he had to play some psychological warfare with me in my camp.

[1028] It was all about playing my shit.

[1029] He goes, how can I get this motherfucker to do what he does here all the time?

[1030] You know, because I haven't competed in a long time.

[1031] I could easily fold it from the pressure.

[1032] People get the, you know, jitters.

[1033] Eleven years.

[1034] Yeah.

[1035] People fold.

[1036] This is a huge match, man. Ten planet against, you know, versus a Gracie, like, there and our hometowns and everyone's screaming and there's it's some crazy shit a lot of pressure my family my mom i thought my my son my wife was there i'm like holy shit my mom's and my wife's like a this is like i'm at the mgm grand at some main event i'm like holy shit that's so much pressure the place was packed my head instructors all my students all the shit you talk jean shock all these all this pressure so i thought man there's a chance people fold under pressure there's a lot of pressure, all different kind of dimensions, and will I be one of those dudes of fault?

[1037] But what I realize is that I do want to, I did want to win, I did want to do my best, that's the most important, just clear out all the bullshit.

[1038] Do you want to do your best?

[1039] Yes, the best thing is to do your shit.

[1040] Go after him.

[1041] Trust your cardio.

[1042] Go after him.

[1043] And all those little leaks on this dam that was about to burst with all this pressure and all these leaks, I could fix all these leaks.

[1044] And all I do is focus on one thing, just going after him.

[1045] and trusting myself.

[1046] Okay, cool, cool.

[1047] So then bam, it was all about, dude, you have no choice.

[1048] Go out there and fucking make it happen.

[1049] You know, you're not folding under this pressure.

[1050] You're going to do it, and you're going to go after them 100 % and you're going to do your best.

[1051] Did you think about doing it high?

[1052] No. Not at all.

[1053] No. Too much pressure.

[1054] Too much pressure.

[1055] Yeah.

[1056] When you're under pressure, I don't suggest inhalation of cannabis.

[1057] What about a light edible?

[1058] No, I didn't even want to take.

[1059] I had so much weed in me. The one thing I learned at John Jock's I was never stoned when I went to John Jocks because I wanted to make sure we trained at the same time we were going to compete I wanted to train right there I was at the same time like 6 .30 -ish 7 .30 or 7 in that area just get my body going a million percent shark tank like a motherfucker getting my ass kick and I never had been tapped so much in my life going through these shark tanks it's crazy it doesn't feel great to constantly get tapped by people and getting fucking wrecked, you know, trying to last an hour straight with fresh animals, black belts waiting to jump on you and start on your back and start in the mount, start in a bad position.

[1060] I was getting fucked up, dude.

[1061] It's the only way to do it, though, right?

[1062] Yeah, yeah.

[1063] And the swimming, that was really a fascinating thing that we talked about.

[1064] Yeah, the swimming was important because I'm not a real athlete.

[1065] I don't ever do cardio.

[1066] I do jiu -jitsu for the...

[1067] For the fun of it, and the fact that it keeps you in shape, that's awesome.

[1068] Beautiful.

[1069] Kill two birds with one stone.

[1070] It's fun.

[1071] It's awesome.

[1072] My job is teaching people out to strangle each other and break limbs.

[1073] I'm fucking lucky.

[1074] Embrace that shit.

[1075] I love it.

[1076] Competing is different.

[1077] There were days where I got to see my son five minutes here, five minutes there, day after day.

[1078] I'm like, damn, I'm not seeing my son that much.

[1079] I can't wait to get home just to get home before he goes to sleep just so I could see him for five minutes.

[1080] And I'm like, man, my wife's under a lot of pressure.

[1081] She's handling everything.

[1082] I'm always training.

[1083] Everything's on my schedule.

[1084] Everything is priority as me. And that's not the way it's always been.

[1085] You know, we work together.

[1086] But I told her, there's two months.

[1087] I go, I could lock my way up in Big Bear and be away from you guys and do it that way.

[1088] That's a good idea.

[1089] If people heard I did that, they would think, fuck, yeah, he's doing the right thing.

[1090] But, or I could train hard and you let me do whatever the hell I want to do for this match and I don't want to hear any I don't I have to be able to do with without any stress because we have a baby boy and we treat off right right it's a team it's a management I got my time she's got her time you know and we work together but this camp I said I can go to Big Bear and you have to take care of them 24 -7 or I could stay here but you still take care of but I get to see them too in between all this shit so I'm still here with the family as much as I can but I need you to understand so man she was just did everything and made sure that my, you know, man, she's just amazing.

[1091] And, um, that's awesome.

[1092] So it was beautiful.

[1093] The training camp was beautiful.

[1094] So I thought, should I do the Marcella Garcia thing?

[1095] And he says, I don't do any strength and conditioning.

[1096] I don't do any conditioning.

[1097] I just train jujitsu hard every day.

[1098] I don't know how many hours.

[1099] See, that's what Marcello does.

[1100] And he gets away with it.

[1101] He doesn't do anything extra.

[1102] He just does jiu -jitsu.

[1103] That's amazing.

[1104] You've heard that from several people.

[1105] Like Pedro Hizzo said that.

[1106] All they do is MMA.

[1107] That's it.

[1108] I don't do anything else.

[1109] I don't do any card.

[1110] Soccerobin never did cardio.

[1111] But generally, 99 % of professional athletes have a cardio program.

[1112] They got a system and they got trainers and they got clocks and they got, um, they got the heart rate.

[1113] They got the thing on the heart and then the full one thing on their arm.

[1114] It's a science.

[1115] And they master their body and look what the body does.

[1116] Oh, it's better here.

[1117] And they've mastered that shit.

[1118] Marcello doesn't do that.

[1119] So I thought, man, it's way better.

[1120] It's easier.

[1121] It's lazier if I just fucking just try to just do Jiu -Jitsu.

[1122] But I thought about that for the first week of camp once it was official.

[1123] But then I thought, you know what?

[1124] I don't want to go into this match with any fucking doubts.

[1125] Let me get my cardio on the professional tip.

[1126] You know, for once in your life, train like a professional athlete.

[1127] I was already lifting weights for years.

[1128] So I was already strong.

[1129] I was ready.

[1130] When I got off for the fight, I was like, hell, yeah.

[1131] I'm stronger than I've ever been.

[1132] I was already in good shape to teach and stuff.

[1133] But I never did cardio.

[1134] So I decided, okay, fuck it.

[1135] I'm going to do cardio like a professional athlete.

[1136] What should I do?

[1137] I don't like to run.

[1138] So I know you run, you swim, or you bike.

[1139] You know, that's good enough.

[1140] For 2003, I did the rock climbing treadmill.

[1141] Remember that shit?

[1142] Yeah, I remember that shit.

[1143] Right.

[1144] We did like three minutes and then, blah, blah, blah.

[1145] I don't remember the time thing.

[1146] I was just...

[1147] You're doing rounds.

[1148] Yeah, right.

[1149] I think it was like whatever the rounds.

[1150] were in Abu Dhabi.

[1151] Yeah, yeah.

[1152] So I don't really remember too much of what I was thinking back then.

[1153] Again, I never...

[1154] I did that for 2005, Abu Dhabi, too.

[1155] I thought, okay, this is fun, treadmill rock climbing, but I got hurt 2005, Abu Dhabi.

[1156] So this time I thought, then I started swimming.

[1157] Remember I was using your pool and I started swimming?

[1158] I think that was for the Palm Pina Fada.

[1159] I go, fuck the treadmill rock climbing.

[1160] Let me try swimming.

[1161] So I'd swam a little bit, and then that, the Katrina hit, that didn't end up happening.

[1162] So, again, I'm not a professional athlete, but I decided, fuck it.

[1163] I got six weeks.

[1164] Let me get my cardio together, professional.

[1165] Let me go in there.

[1166] And the one thing, I decided to swim.

[1167] I went to 24 -hour fitness.

[1168] They had a big -ass clock.

[1169] I didn't even know what I was going to do.

[1170] I just thought, okay, let me do, let me just sprint.

[1171] Sprint across the pool.

[1172] See how long it takes.

[1173] As soon as the clock hit 12, I sprinted.

[1174] And it took me either from like 20 to 30 seconds to get across the pool.

[1175] So I decided, you know what I'm going to do?

[1176] 20 times.

[1177] I'm going to sprinting across the pool.

[1178] pool and rest the remainder of that minute.

[1179] And as soon as the clock hits the 12, bam, sprint across again.

[1180] And then whenever I get there, rest the rest of the minute.

[1181] Every time the hand hits 12, go.

[1182] And I do that 20 times just because we have us 20 -minute rounds.

[1183] I don't know if it was too much or too little.

[1184] I said, hey, it's symbolic or whatever.

[1185] So I know sprinting 100 % running 20 times is a lot.

[1186] Sometimes you want to do 10 sprints or you want to do the sand dune, sprint up the sand dunds, time for seven times.

[1187] I just said 20 times.

[1188] It's 20 minutes.

[1189] That might not be that much.

[1190] But what I learned about myself is how long it takes to recover.

[1191] That was the most important thing.

[1192] That would have fucked me up in this fight.

[1193] If I didn't do the cardio, I would have fell apart.

[1194] I wouldn't, I didn't understand how the heart works.

[1195] So I've been training consistently since 2003 at my gym.

[1196] And the way I treated my cardio is I would go as hard as I can.

[1197] And then once I start gassing, I thought, okay, the rest of this round, I'm going to hold on, sit on my ass for maybe five minutes, maybe 10 minutes, depending.

[1198] I'm not training for anything.

[1199] And then get my second win and then come back.

[1200] That's what I thought cardio was.

[1201] It's like you go, once you're out of gas, hey, you're out of gas, you're going to need some rest, settle down for a while.

[1202] You got far.

[1203] You got seven minutes.

[1204] You have seven minutes before you gas.

[1205] That's what I thought you have seven.

[1206] I didn't know about recovery and the mastery of recovery.

[1207] And that gas, you can recover from that easy.

[1208] You just got to know you can.

[1209] If you don't think you can, you won't.

[1210] So by doing those sprints, you gave you confidence that you could use 100 % of your energy.

[1211] Yeah, because at, like, around it, you know, I would...

[1212] Are you doing, like, what kind of stroke?

[1213] Just swimming, just swimming, basic fucking swimming, like a lake.

[1214] You know what I mean?

[1215] Breaststroke like this, or just...

[1216] What is that called?

[1217] One left arm, right arm.

[1218] What is it?

[1219] Freestyle.

[1220] Like this.

[1221] Just like a retard.

[1222] Like, I'm not...

[1223] Bad technique.

[1224] You're just trying to desert yourself.

[1225] I'm just sprinting.

[1226] I'm panicking across the pool.

[1227] Okay.

[1228] So, by the time, the first time I get by, the first one, it's not that I get by, I'm like, I was the first one, I sprinting, and I'm waiting a second minute, I'm like, I could really just keep going, but I'm just like, this is what I'm doing.

[1229] So, you know, after like the third one, I was like, I'm at the edge of the pool, I got this, I got 30 seconds, 35 seconds to recover.

[1230] At the 10th one, thinking about quitting after every sprint, I'm like, people at the pool there's old ladies by the sauna they're like watching this guy this tattooed guy dying in the pool and I got 10 more to go dying but I know that but when there's when the clock hits the 8 I'm dying when it hits the 9 I'm dying when it hits a 10 still dying but damn right before it's the 11 take a big deep brother ready to go because you have to go at that 12 And the crazy thing about it is you don't need a trainer to tell you to hurry up because you're going across the pool as fast as you can because you're, you want a lot of time to rest and recover.

[1231] You're racing for that recovery time.

[1232] So there's no way I never went 100%.

[1233] I had to go as 100 % as fast as I can to get across that pool so I can rest.

[1234] So you never didn't go 100%.

[1235] Yes.

[1236] Yes.

[1237] I didn't need anybody to time.

[1238] I go, dude, I know.

[1239] I'm trying to rest.

[1240] I'm that mother mother mother.

[1241] I'm trying to rest.

[1242] So it makes me, dude, it kicks my ass.

[1243] I want to quit at 14.

[1244] I go I did a lot.

[1245] 14's a lot.

[1246] It's all good.

[1247] I could do it.

[1248] I still gained.

[1249] I made games today.

[1250] I don't have to go 20.

[1251] I'm like, fuck.

[1252] I'm at 15.

[1253] I'm like, I could do five seems like so many.

[1254] I'm like, when I'm like at seven or eight and I'm gasking, I'm like, fuck, I got 12 more.

[1255] And you can't stop.

[1256] You're on a clock.

[1257] When that clock hits 12, you got to go.

[1258] You know?

[1259] And so it's a nightmare.

[1260] It's torture.

[1261] No one's forcing me to do it, but I just fucking do it.

[1262] And I did it twice a week.

[1263] And, To some, there's some carding machines out there that laugh at that.

[1264] They think that's nothing.

[1265] And there's professional athletes go, do we warm up?

[1266] Well, that's just because you build up from a base.

[1267] And these guys have been going at it like that for a long time.

[1268] Yeah.

[1269] But what it ended up happening, I don't know how a football player would do it or if that's fucking child's player or whatever.

[1270] But what it did for my jiu -jitsu automatically, I knew in the middle of that hour shark tank when I hit that first, I knew you just tell yourself, dude, you could recover.

[1271] Find this place to hang out, conserve your energy, wait 30 seconds, it's going to come back and then, oh my God, cool.

[1272] So at first you're like, oh, shit, I would, two weeks ago, before I started doing this, I would have said, it's over, son.

[1273] I ran out of gas, I'm going to need to stop.

[1274] I did good.

[1275] I got seven minutes, got eight minutes, got 12 minutes.

[1276] That's not the way it was.

[1277] So I would keep going for an hour, dude.

[1278] My muscles would, our muscles would be more tired than my heart.

[1279] My heart could keep going.

[1280] I used to be dead after that shark tank in the beginning.

[1281] For an hour, I would be dead just from the shark tank.

[1282] dude I wasn't even getting that tired after shark tank That's incredible There was some I was there was time Explain what a shark tank is People you said that term a couple of times I'm There's you know you get as many Guys as you want in the shark tank It's dedicated to one person Obviously dedicated to me on this training camp I'd get in the middle And they'd be you know Three to ten guys sitting around Black belts purple belts And they're all waiting their turn to get their five minutes with me Like starting on my back Starting on a mound All these positions some like in my guard or I'm in their guard just all these besides inside control me on the belly with the underhug on the back a lot a lot mount a lot and man just fresh guys coming in all my best guys coming in getting mangled and tapped and because I'm trying to conserve my energy I'm trying to last an hour but you know then you're like dude you got to trust your cardio you can't conserve you had a bad night I was having bad nights good nights bad nights bad nights a lot of shit Sean Jacques you know the main thing is I didn't want to go in there and be too cautious and go it's 20 minutes I better be because I would get that way in Shark Tank sometimes where I'm like dude I got Sean Bollinger next I got Jared Carlson I got to save my energy with this dude because I got I'm looking around as I'm rolling at the Shark Tank going oh my God these guys are coming after me so I would just be really conservative and what that would happen that would I train these killers right they know how to close the fucking deal so anybody pays cautious to you that's part of the game you just keep getting deeper and deeper and deeper.

[1283] And that's what happened.

[1284] I was just sinking in quicksand with that mentality of trying to conserve and not really attacking because the attack is what puts them on defense and stops their forward march.

[1285] So you have to constantly, even if you don't have a game plan right now, just disrupt them.

[1286] So what percentage you think your game improved because your cardio bump?

[1287] A thousand percent because now I knew, dude, now I knew that I would have thought that in Abu Dhabas as soon as I started breathing hard that it was over.

[1288] done.

[1289] I did what I can.

[1290] Now I'm breathing.

[1291] I didn't know that you can recover over and over when the swim sprints, you're reminded over and over.

[1292] You're dead and you did another sprint.

[1293] You're dead.

[1294] You did another sprint.

[1295] You kept going.

[1296] You were dead at 10 and you kept going.

[1297] You kept recovering and you recover quick.

[1298] And after reminding yourself that you can recover during jiu -jitsu, during those sharp times, or you can recover, you can recover.

[1299] You can recover.

[1300] Instead of panicking, because if you panic and thinking you can't, now you're at a downward spiral with your cardio, that panic will suck up more.

[1301] It's going to be harder to recover because you're panicking and you think it's over.

[1302] But once you get to the point where you know you can recover, you stop telling yourself, oh, I can recover, relax.

[1303] You just do it.

[1304] You're huffing and puffing and you're not even worried.

[1305] There's not even an ounce of panic.

[1306] You know you're going to come back.

[1307] And that is what that performance Saturday night was all about, is knowing that I could recover.

[1308] That was huge.

[1309] There were times where I didn't want to see him smell blood.

[1310] And I go, I just need time to recover.

[1311] I would talk to Jean -Jacques.

[1312] Stop breathing.

[1313] I'm trying to recover and I just, you don't try how much like time looking over trying to act like it's nothing meanwhile I just want him to relax we're not doing it just relax no need to hush you know but those were all mental games but that was only because I was doing that naturally it was only because I knew I need a little time to recover I didn't know the professional athlete shit before this is like nothing new to professional athletes what I'm doing is I'm letting people that aren't professional athletes and never done cardio this is what you discover This is why cardio is so important, is understanding how your body can recover.

[1314] Kendall Grove said that once after he did the ultimate fighter.

[1315] He said, learn from Tito.

[1316] He just said, cardio is everything, man. It's everything.

[1317] He just couldn't stop stressing.

[1318] He's like, I'm a different fighter because of cardio.

[1319] Yeah.

[1320] If you got the ability to keep going, the amount that your cardio diminishes.

[1321] The ability to recover.

[1322] Yeah.

[1323] That and knowing that you can recover and having faith in your body, you never panic.

[1324] You just keep going.

[1325] You just know, it's saying nothing, I'm just going to take.

[1326] chill here it's gonna come oh there's back it's going to go I got now I got power up now you can throw a combination and then you wait for that green light boop you know he used to do a lot of swimming Maurice Smith remember Maurice Smith?

[1327] Yeah he used to do a lot of swimming Maurice was a UFC heavyweight champion he was a champion kickboxer he was fought an extreme fighting remember he was like one of the first guys they were winning by head kick I could barely walk after I was done with 20 I got out of the pool and the main thing is at the very end you got to walk you got to keep your body moving so I would walk around the point you have to walk it's good to walk when you're super tired so your body gets used to moving while it's recovering yeah why is it bad to just lie down I've heard it's bad to lie down yeah because then your body gets used to having to have everything shut down to recover you want to be able to recover and still be on 30 % you know what I mean it's probably better to recover jog a little bit and then cool down you know what I mean and they get to the point now where you're recovering and you never stop jogging.

[1328] That's probably the best I'm just guessing.

[1329] But for sure, when you can barely walk and you're dead in time, to try to walk and to try to keep going, that's the very least you can do.

[1330] Right.

[1331] For sure, lying down is not the, because Jean -Jacques never let me lie down.

[1332] Get up and keep walking.

[1333] You want to recover?

[1334] Because when I would get to that point in the beginning, I would have walk around.

[1335] I'm walking around Jean -Gert, I could barely walk.

[1336] Keep walking.

[1337] You got to keep the body moving.

[1338] So it's all basic shit that I'm sure people know.

[1339] But for the people that have never dove into competing or doing cardio, I'm telling you, I'm 43 years old and I'm just discovering the magical powers of mastering your body and knowing how fast it can recover.

[1340] When you have that kind of confidence, that's what that performance is all about trusting my cardio.

[1341] And I was able to do...

[1342] Well, it's about putting in the work.

[1343] You just put in a tremendous amount of work, two months worth of work.

[1344] The cardio work along with all the Jiu -Jitsu shark tanks and all the training and sparring and rolling constantly.

[1345] Spent a lot of time with leg -lock defense.

[1346] A lot of time.

[1347] There was guys out there.

[1348] I was getting help from so many guys out there.

[1349] Max Bishop, catch wrestler out in, I think he's in Alabama, somewhere out there.

[1350] He's, I know him through Alan Belcher.

[1351] He was, he's got helped him with Pal Haras?

[1352] A lot of guys helped Alan Belcher with Paul Harst.

[1353] Alan Belcher's DVD immunity, that helped me a lot with, I was, I was on a, I'm on a defensive mission now.

[1354] I'm on a mission to structureize and just get all the best defense from everybody and that most of it is from Jean -Jacques because Jean -Jacques defense is probably one of the best ever his defense is legendary and so I'm just one by one every position figuring out what are the absolute best defensive things to do where should your hands be or should your legs be and when it comes to defense it's amazing because it's almost 100 times more complex than offense there's so much to defense because there's only a few ways to build a skyscraper you know to build it right there's rules but there's a million ways to knock that motherfucker down you know what I mean there's so many ways that disrupt it's so many different levels you know you could come up with all these different angles so many missiles and demos and all that shit you know what I mean same thing with techniques and triangles the setup there's so many steps to the set of so there's so many different places along the way where you could disrupt that, nip it in the bud at different levels, and then at the end, the one thing I learned is all these top guys, Alan Belcher, Max Bishop, Eric Paulson, go car, Chivich, and I was going to work with them.

[1355] I just never got around with it, but I did work with Karin Deribedean from Hyestan.

[1356] He came down to a shark tank and just fucking wrecked my legs, man. Carin Derbytian is a beast, man. It's a bad motherfucker.

[1357] oh yeah so um i i i dean uh dean lister we were texting back and forth i was like on like texting people videos and stuff all my leglock master friends you know like eric paulson and dean lister and manny campurion and all these guys getting their advice every but everyone has a different way of escaping 50 50 everyone has a different way of addressing a straight ankle lock every the heel hooks everybody there's so many different ways to fuck up perfection a perfect submission so many different ways and it's fascinating that there's way more defense than there is offense and all these different things to learn and then what I'm doing is I'm so fascinated with this it's it's just I'm on a quest to make 10th planet just known for their defense and it's fun it's like a new thing like wow I'm so obsessed with it man I'm watching defensive videos all the time just trying to come up with the ultimate defense and what it does is not only is it making 10th planet stronger as an association, but it's making my game stronger.

[1358] Why wouldn't I want to have like amazing defense?

[1359] I've always been focused on no -gee offense.

[1360] That's always been the problem in MMA.

[1361] That's what I was trying to fix.

[1362] That's what 10th plant was all about is.

[1363] What are the problems in MMA?

[1364] The problems are bottom game.

[1365] So we're going to be bottom game heavy.

[1366] We're going to be no -gee heavy.

[1367] And we're going to have strikes in the mix.

[1368] That's the problem with Jiu -Jitsu.

[1369] The problem isn't that Jiu -Jitsu guys are tapping in the UFC.

[1370] There's all these black belts are tapping.

[1371] We need to fix the defense.

[1372] Nobody was tapping these black belts, they just were getting beat on their back.

[1373] That was the problem.

[1374] So I'm going, our defense is fine.

[1375] You keep working on the defense over there, Gracie Baja.

[1376] We're going to try to fix the problem.

[1377] This is emergency.

[1378] Jiu -Jitsu is, we need some urgent care here.

[1379] We need some scientists on the case.

[1380] And all my students, all my moonheads, my head instructors, they're all my A &R agents and all my science.

[1381] We need to fix this motherfucking problem for a jiu -jitsu.

[1382] Keep working on your passing from standing, which is not a problem in MMA.

[1383] It's like, man, they can't pass standing.

[1384] The problem is they're not doing much off their back offensively.

[1385] And that's what we're trying to do.

[1386] We're trying to fix that problem.

[1387] And, um, ooh.

[1388] But it's a fascinating thing to watch, watch you put together this whole system and other guys inside your system, watch them add moves and, you know, and build it all and figure it all out and watch it evolve, you know.

[1389] It's always been interesting, too, when I get injured and then come back.

[1390] get injured take a few months off come back and it's oh no we're not even doing that anymore we found a new path like there's all these new paths to come up or a new way to get around something and this cuts to the chase and this is quicker someone once made the uh the analogy of jihitsu to chess and uh and most people like love that analogy but you rejected it immediately you know i said jihitsu makes chess look like checkers yeah it does and there's also so many different things involved too not just the moves, but also the amount of discipline that you have to have to get your body into a position to play the game.

[1391] I mean, you have to.

[1392] Like what you're talking about, what you did, I mean, there's not a lot of people that have that kind of willpower to force themselves to do those fucking crazy sprints, to force themselves to do the shark tanks, to force themselves to train, and when you can barely walk and you feel like you have a heart attack, not everybody has that in them to push themselves that way.

[1393] so it's not just more complex in its variations and the attacks and the counters and defense but it's also much more complex mentally and emotionally it requires more of you but I gotta imagine man that like when you put it all together like what was that feeling like what was it feeling like when it was over look Hoyler didn't tap but you dominated that match there's just no doubt about it and even more so in light of what you're saying about how you when the reversals were just you adjusting and then you getting back to that position again.

[1394] That's how I roll.

[1395] I mean...

[1396] Yeah.

[1397] It's just, it's incredible.

[1398] It's amazing.

[1399] What did it feel like?

[1400] What did it feel like when it was all over?

[1401] Before Hoyst, Gracie got mad at you.

[1402] Yeah.

[1403] What did it feel like?

[1404] He's so mad at me. I don't know why.

[1405] He thinks he were talking shit about his family and about Hoyler.

[1406] Someone lied to him.

[1407] Someone lied to him because someone went up to Hoyst and told him.

[1408] And I want to find out who the hell this is.

[1409] Someone told Hoyce that I talk shit on the family.

[1410] And, you know, maybe he believes that he shouldn't believe it, but he came up to me. And, but before that, you got to, I got to read you this really quick.

[1411] You know, let me, while you're looking for it.

[1412] No, I found this.

[1413] In my first book, and the Jiu -Jitsu Unleashed, it came out in 2005.

[1414] This was 2005.

[1415] Two years after you tab toiler.

[1416] This was how I opened.

[1417] this opened the book with this is a very special thanks goes out to the gracie family though we have different views on the ghee i do appreciate tremendously what you did for the world of martial arts and my world thank you helio for being the warrior and innovator that you are who has tougher sons than you no one thank you carlos singer for taking in the machado's as sons of your own and introducing them to the fascinating world of jiu jiu jitsu thank you hori for producing the UFC.

[1418] Without you, the MMA industry would not exist, and I would still be DJing in clubs.

[1419] Thank you, Hoyst, for having the courage to step up and fight in eight and 16 -man tournaments just to prove the effectiveness of Jiu -Jitsu.

[1420] You will always be a legend.

[1421] Thank you, Hickson, for being the Superman of the Jiu -Jitsu world.

[1422] There is no one I would rather see in the ring than you.

[1423] And thank you, Hoiler, for being you.

[1424] Without you and your unbelievable accomplishments in the grappling world, this book would not exist.

[1425] That was 2005.

[1426] And after Metamora Saturday night, I was emotional, I was crying, I just went 20 minutes, and it was just, man, I can't tell you, it was like, I don't know, man. It was just glorious.

[1427] And I got on the mic, and what I just read, I just said that again.

[1428] I said the same thing again on the mic.

[1429] I just wanted to let everybody know we all come from the graces.

[1430] We're all graces.

[1431] It's not 10th Planet Against the Gracie's.

[1432] We're doing this for Jiu -Jitsu.

[1433] The 10th Planet thing is to help Jiu -Jitsu.

[1434] They don't want to hear that shit, though, because people don't want to hear that anybody is, you know, their idea is that, no, you know, we don't need your help.

[1435] You know, their idea is, look, we're doing this, and you're doing something different, and your stuff sucks.

[1436] Fuck you.

[1437] Yeah, man. So then I get off stage, hug my wife, hug my mom.

[1438] I mean, when I say they're saying that, like, I mean, I'm being, And they're not really saying that.

[1439] No one's really saying that.

[1440] But there's, no one wants to hear that you're, you know, they have pride.

[1441] No one wants to hear that you're like, you're trying to fix Jiu -Jitsu, you know?

[1442] Yeah, yeah.

[1443] That attitude is, like, that was an element to the Brazilian Jiu -Jitsu community that had, that ignored me. Let's just say that.

[1444] They just...

[1445] Well, let's be honest, though.

[1446] I mean, it's kind of a tricky situation because no one has more faith in you than I do.

[1447] No one believes, you're just a unique dude.

[1448] You can figure shit out.

[1449] You have a mind for games and you have a mind for strategy.

[1450] I mean, you just, and you're really ridiculously talented nujitsu.

[1451] The creativity aside and all the other things aside.

[1452] But people who didn't know you, they saw this one match, and then after that match, they saw you fight Leo Vieira, Leo Vieira, basically dominated you on points.

[1453] You hurt your rib really early in the match.

[1454] And, like halfway through.

[1455] He would have still beat me anyways.

[1456] It was...

[1457] But what I was going to say is that it was after this incredible emotional fight.

[1458] And, you know, you beat a legend and then you lost to another legend.

[1459] You got dominated by another legend.

[1460] So in their mind, they didn't take anything into account.

[1461] They didn't take into account.

[1462] What a crazy experience it must have been for some kid to be the first American to ever tap at Gracie in a jujitsu competition.

[1463] I mean, it was bananas.

[1464] The whole thing was bananas.

[1465] You were crying.

[1466] I was crying.

[1467] We were freaking out.

[1468] And then all of a sudden, boom.

[1469] You got to fight again.

[1470] Now you're fighting Leo Vieira.

[1471] It's like, holy shit.

[1472] Like, your whole thought process was around fighting Hoyler Gracie.

[1473] Like, I remember leading up to it.

[1474] You just kept talking about, dude, Hoyler's in my division.

[1475] I might fight Hoyler.

[1476] I might have to fight Hoyler.

[1477] I mean, all the time when you're training, Hoyler, Hoyler, that name kept coming up over and over and over, no, no, over.

[1478] So when it did happen and then boom, and you won, much like, you know, when you were throwing up on Saturday night after the event is over, like, this is gigantic.

[1479] Dump and release So after all that I went outside the tent And I have this The Tough Med, they're my sponsors They have this film crew following me For this documentary they're putting together And they follow me I just needed a place to throw up I ran out of the place, got on my knees It was just like throwing And then Hanato Magno comes from behind And pours water on me Jean Jocques, everyone's following me I thought it was funny Because I actually thought Oh anyways I'm throwing Growing up, and then I hear this voice behind me, it said, it's good you say that about my family.

[1480] Like, and I wipe the throw up from my mouth.

[1481] I look behind me, and it's hoist Gracie.

[1482] And when someone says that to you, that could be followed with a hug or a shake.

[1483] Like, it's good that you said that about my family.

[1484] Right, right, right.

[1485] We're good now.

[1486] Right.

[1487] Like, what's next?

[1488] Is it going to be a pound, a hand, or it could be something else.

[1489] because you were always talking shit on my family before.

[1490] And I'm like, what?

[1491] I never...

[1492] So that's what he said.

[1493] Yeah.

[1494] He said it was like the craziest backhanded compliment ever.

[1495] He said, it's good that you said that about my family.

[1496] And I turn around and I'm like, wow.

[1497] Hoyst Gracie, man. That's Hoyt, Gracie.

[1498] That's like Mike Tyson.

[1499] You know, that's hoist.

[1500] This is the first time you're meeting him?

[1501] First time ever talking to him, I think.

[1502] but I've seen them in different places and we've been in the same events and stuff and I've, but he he goes, it's good that you said that about my family because you used to talk shit on my family and I said, I never talked shit on your family in my first book, I thanked all of you, including you, and I'm like kind of pointing out, I'm like, hoiler, helio, I'm telling him, whatever someone told you about me, they're lying.

[1503] I've never said it.

[1504] Only a retort.

[1505] hard would talk shit about the gracy's in the jiu -jitsu business you're in the jiu -jitsu business and you have no respect for the graces and what they've done you know just physically so what did they say then um don't don't put your finger at me and then he got on my face like he wanted to kick my ass and jean jac had to get between us to like stop him from like getting in my face because he now i'm disrespecting him because i'm like kind of pointing at him you know he thought i was but look what he said this is the craziest thing of all look what he said and we just Quote him.

[1506] Dude, I don't know what fight he was watching.

[1507] I saw what he said.

[1508] I'll paraphrase if you want.

[1509] No, no, it's right here.

[1510] I got it right here.

[1511] He said, I wanted to talk to him for years, but never had the chance to meet him.

[1512] Hoist told M .M .A. fighting.

[1513] I met him after the fight, and he was there throwing up.

[1514] Hoyler dominated him so much.

[1515] He did so much strength, but he threw up after the fight.

[1516] right how crazy i told him that i liked what he said after the fight but didn't like the fact that he was always talking trash about hoiler and my family he stood up and started yelling so i also raised the tone of my voice and told him i didn't like it he said he always gave my family credit but i know it's not true he said he always gave my family credit but i know it's not true he always seems, he always talks trash about my family.

[1517] Enough with this shit.

[1518] He said he never talked bad about my family and he always gave us credit.

[1519] He kept raising the tone of his voice.

[1520] I told him to shut up.

[1521] So Jean -Jacques Machado came in and we didn't need this and asked Bravo to leave.

[1522] Wow.

[1523] And then he goes, Gracie said he would not compete against Bravo in a grappling match, but seemed open to an MMA fight.

[1524] Can we slap each other?

[1525] Can we beat each other up?

[1526] Or can we beat each other.

[1527] Gracie replied a laugh when asked if he'd accept a fight at Meadow Morris.

[1528] I'm a valetudeau fighter.

[1529] I'm not to score points of fight with time limit.

[1530] Let's fight with no time limit with punches allowed.

[1531] I'm a valetudo fighter.

[1532] I don't compete in grappling tournaments.

[1533] He's only competed grappling -wise.

[1534] He that won Walid Ishmael fight, right?

[1535] Yeah, when Walid strangled him.

[1536] Yeah, Walid put him to sleep.

[1537] Those are after the UFC.

[1538] Yeah.

[1539] So, I mean, after all that stuff I read you that was in my book and then you hear like someone's lying to him most likely yeah mean you know people talk shit and people want to be friends with him so they probably talk shit to him he's never talked to you before so he's never heard you say it you definitely haven't said it in in print anywhere you definitely's never said it in video because i know you haven't said it you were always remarkably composed about that you know you were always remarkably composed you the worst you ever did was um asked to do it again you know that was a few years back you asked to do it again.

[1540] But you were never disrespectful about it.

[1541] Yeah, I thought most people in the late 90s, most small jiu -jitsu players in the late 90s, their dream was to go against Hoyler.

[1542] He was the best.

[1543] That was the panicle.

[1544] Imagine, not only is he the best, but he's the son of Helio Gracie.

[1545] That's like the prince.

[1546] You know, at 1 .45, damn, that was the 1 .45 Hickson.

[1547] So I got lucky enough to go against him once.

[1548] And, man, I have a reason.

[1549] to do it twice whether it's like to prove that it wasn't a fluke or that it was a fluke whatever oh it was lucky whatever you want to say but i thought damn i can make this happen i have a reason to make it happen do you want to keep doing this do you want to keep competing now i if the money's right but that's one thing i don't even want to get into like a the last thing i want to do is stress about my next opponent or or a uh a trilogy with them which i'm i'm not i'm i'll be open to do it.

[1550] I just don't want to talk and call people out and what are you going to do with this and what are you going to do with that.

[1551] I want no stress right now.

[1552] That's what I want.

[1553] I want to spend time with my family, spend time with my students, have fun, enjoy my life right now.

[1554] As soon as there's another opponent looming, now I've got to study.

[1555] I'm thinking about, I don't want to think about anything.

[1556] I just want to have fun.

[1557] I think Madame Morris has real potential, man. I really do.

[1558] I think there's something they could do.

[1559] I think there's something they can do.

[1560] Um, if they keep putting on these matchups like this, you know, when people saw that match between you guys Saturday night, that was exciting as fuck.

[1561] That was really, really exciting.

[1562] Yeah.

[1563] You know, and if they have more matches like that, more, uh, like, really good, high level exciting matches, you get to see real good technical jiu -jitsu.

[1564] I think people start to really enjoy it.

[1565] And the other thing about jiu -jitsu as opposed to, uh, MMA is, um, if it's especially no ghee, I've seen no reason why that.

[1566] can't eventually be on television.

[1567] You know, when I look at, like, watching Marcello Garcia -Garcia match or watch when Jacaray was fighting in Abu Dhabi or, you know, any of the really high -level guys that compete in Abu Dhabi, they're fucking murderers.

[1568] Vinnie Magalais, these guys are exciting to watch, man. They pull off wild techniques.

[1569] Crone Gracie, pulls off, you know, it means fun to watch and strangle people.

[1570] Especially submission only.

[1571] Fuck, yeah.

[1572] You know, Master Vic Davila, the Spanish Joe Rogan.

[1573] I love that dude.

[1574] Me and him are actually, our first show is June 1st.

[1575] You're going to put on a grappling show?

[1576] It's going to be on Spanish TV.

[1577] It's done.

[1578] Oh, shit.

[1579] It's called Eddie Bravo Invitational, and it's going to be 216 men submission -only tournaments, 1 -45 -same -day -way -in, 1 -70 -same -day way -in, and since it's for Spanish television, we're going to focus on white people, too, and black people, but the spotlight's going to be on the Latin fighters, and the two Latin fighters, the one we're going to, that's already in, is Gio Martinez, He's one of my black belts.

[1580] Amazing.

[1581] He's a break dancer who's just killing people.

[1582] He's going to do the 145.

[1583] He's going to be the feature star, and he speaks Spanish and all that.

[1584] And his brother, Richie Boogie Man, Martinez, who's also awesome.

[1585] Awesome.

[1586] He's a brown belt.

[1587] He's doing M .M .A. He's ferocious.

[1588] Talk about Spartan.

[1589] Both those guys are true Spartans.

[1590] They're on a quest.

[1591] They both have crazy dexterity, too.

[1592] Yes.

[1593] They're super flexible, break dancers, amazing at Jiu -Jitsu, and they're tearing it up, now and he's gonna be the feature at the 170 it's gonna be at the Florentine Gardens Sunday June 1st and where's the Florentine Garden that's it's in Hollywood it's in Hollywood yeah yeah Sunday June 1st Sunday June 1st in Hollywood we're taping it for TV so it's um but we're gonna you know obviously we want to pack the place too and afterwards as soon as we finish taping those two 16 man brackets we're gonna have 10th planet anniversary party there too it's a giant club it's it's awesome um it's a it's a big venue so i'm home and we have um now it'd be awesome and we have schools competing against each other like we got cobrina's best guy uh they say they're gonna uh that they're going to um give us their best guy they haven't confirmed anybody yet but they've all agreed that they're going to send their best guy uh fabrizio verdum school his best guy um harvey vaska is his best guy uh cobrina the mendes brothers all you know we want the best guys submission only 16 -man tournament with overtime rounds.

[1594] Now, let me ask you this.

[1595] Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you.

[1596] What happens in a situation like these, everyone's going for submission only, but there's no submission so it's a draw, and fights that just clearly aren't draws.

[1597] Like, what do you do?

[1598] You can do two things.

[1599] And Gracie Nationals and Gracie Worlds, if you're in a 16 -man bracket, if you're both disqualified.

[1600] So the brackets end up being different, You know, after every, you have, after every qualifier or the first bracket, you see who makes it.

[1601] There's going to be some guys that both got eliminated, so you have to restructure it.

[1602] It's a different, but you can do it, and it works great.

[1603] So if the guys, if you get to a draw, both guys are eliminated.

[1604] Both guys, if it's the finals, it's no time limit.

[1605] Oh, my God.

[1606] Yeah.

[1607] So Gracie Nationals and Gracie World, those are the most hard, that's the hardest tournament to win.

[1608] The hardest tournament.

[1609] All those, all those.

[1610] What a great idea.

[1611] Yeah, it's all about submission.

[1612] But EBI, which is what we're calling Any Bravo Invitation, we're going to have EBI women, EBI kids, EBI, EBI, uh, um, Grand Prix.

[1613] So who organized, who organized the Gracie Nationals?

[1614] Is that Rose?

[1615] Rose Gracie, yeah.

[1616] And Gracie World's, yeah, and she figured that out?

[1617] That's a brilliant way to handle it.

[1618] Yeah, oh, those are the best tournaments.

[1619] And this year, Gracie Worlds is going to be in Las Vegas at the Cox Pavilion.

[1620] Oh, shit.

[1621] It's blowing up, dude.

[1622] Submission only is taken over.

[1623] I mean, if you're a jitz.

[1624] When is it?

[1625] When is it?

[1626] Gracie World.

[1627] It's like a September 21st or something.

[1628] Damn it.

[1629] Go to GracieTournments .com.

[1630] GracieTournments .com.

[1631] It's sometime in December.

[1632] I think it's the 20th and the 21st of December.

[1633] I'm pretty sure.

[1634] Or September, I'm sorry.

[1635] Of September in Vegas, Gracie World's submission only worlds.

[1636] Submission only worlds, you know.

[1637] So we're doing the same thing, though, but we're not doing it.

[1638] It's an invitation.

[1639] We're going to pick 16 guys.

[1640] and 16 guys on one side, 16 guys on the other side.

[1641] Also, the other 10th planet representative at 170 is going to be Nathan Orchard, who's one of my assassins.

[1642] He's a white guy, but, you know, we're accepting white guys, too.

[1643] He's going to be at 172.

[1644] So we're taking advantage of Victor's connections in the Spanish TV market, which are with Jorge's producing this as well.

[1645] Oh, beautiful.

[1646] Jorge involved.

[1647] I love Jorge.

[1648] Yeah, man. So we're just, we're doing it, man. And at first we wanted to do it and do this and give $100 ,000 to the winner just to ensure if there's a $100 ,000 prize and those guys, what do we got to do to make sure these matches are as exciting as possible?

[1649] You got to make some serious cash incentives.

[1650] So that's what we wanted to do.

[1651] We wanted to the first one.

[1652] We were planning on doing this.

[1653] We had some investors.

[1654] We had a few of them.

[1655] It's very hard for people to invest on a first show.

[1656] So we decided to do the first one, no money.

[1657] We're just going to do it for TV and just to get it going.

[1658] and then hopefully we attract sponsors.

[1659] But ultimately, it's for TV, to make it work for TV, to ensure that guys don't stall, that there's no reason to stall.

[1660] You have to have incentives, all these different incentives that there's no reason for you to slow down.

[1661] Slowing down is not helping you financially.

[1662] The training is going to be different for these kind of tournaments.

[1663] Instead of training for just get really heavy on the passing in the sweep and points tournaments, all you do is train sweeps and passes that's it.

[1664] Submissions, that's extra.

[1665] You know, you're wasting your time.

[1666] Just you want to win a tournament.

[1667] Spend all your time sweeping and passing.

[1668] That's how you win tournaments.

[1669] Because you want points.

[1670] Yeah, because that's how anyone.

[1671] But if it's submission only tournament, you still work on your sweep and passing, but you've got to be heavy on the submission setups because that's how you're going to close the deal.

[1672] That's how you're going to make your money.

[1673] So that's the plan.

[1674] June 1st, contact, Master Vic, at edie bravoinvitational .com.

[1675] if you think you're a badass.

[1676] We want the best possible competitors, the best.

[1677] Well, we'll pump it up before you actually hold the event when it's about to happen.

[1678] Cool, I have you in here again.

[1679] What was I going to ask?

[1680] So this is what I'm going to.

[1681] When you come off something like Meta Morris, huge success, right?

[1682] I mean, everybody was talking about all over the mixed martial arts world, the jitza world, I mean, it really made a big splash.

[1683] Why not do another event on the internet?

[1684] Why not do your own event on the internet?

[1685] Exactly.

[1686] Why fuck around with a television show?

[1687] You know, because Meta Morse, for pay -per -view numbers, everyone knows what good pay -per -view numbers are for the UFC and what bad numbers and, like, the official numbers come out and go, oh, shit, UFC 3 had 500 paper views or whatever, and 500 ,000, but, but for Jiu -Jitsu, pay -per -view wasn't, isn't a big, isn't huge.

[1688] Jiu -Jitsu is like underground, so if you get like 5 ,000 pay -per -views on Internet, that's pretty good.

[1689] So the biggest show, Meta -Morst did was 9 ,000 pay -per -views, and that was pretty, I think it was the first one where Haja Gracie fought Boucheshire.

[1690] This one, with all the promotion you did and the hype and all this shit, I'm thinking if they did 9K before there were at least 20, it could be even crazier than that.

[1691] This one could be 50.

[1692] I don't know, but you think about at least 20, right?

[1693] When did they know?

[1694] I don't know.

[1695] Do they tell you?

[1696] No, I don't know.

[1697] I don't know.

[1698] Do people, I don't know if they tell you.

[1699] I don't know how it gets out.

[1700] Well, my thought on it was that if I, like, RFA, which puts on some great fights, you know, RFA, you know, there's always some good matchups.

[1701] You never hear about it.

[1702] Like, an event goes by, and, you know, you have to search the underground to find results.

[1703] It's not on the front page.

[1704] But if you go to Mix Martial Arts .com, boom, mixedmartial arts .com, you hit news.

[1705] The very first picture is Bravo dominates Gracie and Metamoros 3.

[1706] And it's your picture doing this.

[1707] That never happens in a grappling match.

[1708] A grappling only match is the number one thing on mixed martial arts .com.

[1709] That's crazy.

[1710] That's crazy.

[1711] Ariel Hawani had me on, and he's all about MMA.

[1712] He doesn't even like Jiu -Jitsu.

[1713] And he said, I don't even like watching Jiu -Jitsu.

[1714] I don't like it.

[1715] But he said he was thoroughly entertained enough to want me on a show.

[1716] So I just did his earlier.

[1717] Why doesn't he like Jiu -Jitsu?

[1718] Some guys just like M -M -A.

[1719] Well, he doesn't train.

[1720] If a good pay -per -view number for Jiu -Jitsu is 9 ,000, but for the UFC, that would be disaster.

[1721] There's a large percentage of the UFC fan base that is not into Jiu -Jitsu.

[1722] It would be interesting if it got to a point where guys would not have to do MMA to make real money.

[1723] You know, like, there's a lot of guys, like Jake Shields, a perfect example, has an amazing record in MMA.

[1724] But a lot of people don't know.

[1725] Jake Shield's fucking tremendous grappler.

[1726] I mean, a tremendous grappler.

[1727] There's a video, and this is obviously early in John Fitch's career.

[1728] You know, John Fitch is much better now.

[1729] But there's a video of Jake Shields competing in a tournament, a jujitsu tournament, with John Fitch.

[1730] And he fucking sweeps him, takes his back, chokes him.

[1731] And you're like, wow.

[1732] Like the way he doesn't.

[1733] Hits the butterfly, sweeps them.

[1734] It's like, fucking Jake Shield's jiu -jitsu is solid.

[1735] Fuck, man. I would love to see a guy like that.

[1736] Like, here it is right here.

[1737] I mean, he doesn't even necessarily have to compete in MMA.

[1738] Because the thing about it at Jake Shields.

[1739] Like, Jake Shields is, I mean, he's only lost three times in the past fucking 10 years.

[1740] One of them was a knockout to Ellenberger right after his dad died.

[1741] The other ones are lost to GSP.

[1742] And then the most recent one, he got dominated by Hector Lombard.

[1743] And you see him, like, compete with a guy like Hector Lombard, especially in MMA.

[1744] And you're like, my God, like, unless he catches that guy in a submission, look at that beautiful, sweet.

[1745] He was working the guillotine and he hit that butterfly sweep But unless he catches a guy in a submission Unless he can get a hold of a guy He's gonna have a real hard time beating a guy like Hector Lombard Like Lombard move so fucking fast man Yeah the way to make it work for TV for all those millions and millions of UFC fans That are bored by Jiu -Jitsu Obviously that's why there's such a big difference in numbers You got to get those fans You got to make Jiu -Jitsu entertaining enough for them They like the UFC.

[1746] They will like submission -only jiu -jitsu.

[1747] No ghee, you can't have the ghee.

[1748] The UFC fan base is not, even though it's beautiful, all the Burrumbolo stuff and Tug -a -War on the pants, when they're playing Tug -A -War -on -the -Pants, that's a beautiful, complex, sophisticated, amazing technique.

[1749] But the people, it's not good for TV.

[1750] Right.

[1751] For TV, it's just not good, man. as a TV producer that go, no. Well, John Jock even said it.

[1752] He's like, you know, hey, man, I love Jiu -Jitsu, and this shit puts me to sleep.

[1753] Yeah, it's hard to watch sometimes.

[1754] Yeah, it's got, if it's going to be for TV, if someone said we're going to give you one season and, you know, a TV producer or a network head that doesn't give a shit about tradition, about Jiu -Suzzi.

[1755] They just want fucking ratings.

[1756] For sure, I'd say it's not, we're not going to have anything that has, that can be described.

[1757] by using the word hold.

[1758] If there's any kind of hold in anything, we don't want any of the grabbing and yanking.

[1759] Got to get rid of the ghee.

[1760] It can't be a point system.

[1761] Because think about this.

[1762] There's still a small percentage of the people out there that prefer points over submission only, which is crazy.

[1763] Now, you have two matches, right?

[1764] You have two matches.

[1765] Both matches have a million dollar purse for the winner.

[1766] Whoever wins gets a million dollars.

[1767] One is a points match, one is a submission only match.

[1768] Both of those matches, there's a minute left.

[1769] In the points match, the guy on top, he just passed the guard.

[1770] He's up 3 -0, and there's a minute left.

[1771] If you were his coach, the guy on top, there's a million dollars on the line.

[1772] Would you tell him to go for a submission, and would you tell him to hold?

[1773] Tell him to hold.

[1774] Fuck, yeah.

[1775] I'd be screaming, hold, motherfucker.

[1776] Especially if you were the coach and you got 15 % of that shit.

[1777] You already spent that shit?

[1778] Right.

[1779] You already promised your wife a new fucking Toyota.

[1780] That was your shit?

[1781] You would say, hold, oh, no, there.

[1782] a million dollars at the line, oh, don't do a submission would be the last thing on your mind, on his mind.

[1783] Right.

[1784] It would be the dumb.

[1785] But if it's a submission only match, that end of the match would look way different.

[1786] They would both be going nuts for that million dollars.

[1787] It would look better for TV.

[1788] It would be more exciting.

[1789] Yeah.

[1790] And it would be ultimately better for Jiu -Jitsu.

[1791] Yes.

[1792] So submission only is better for Jiu -Jitsu.

[1793] It's better for TV.

[1794] You can't have Tug -A -War -the -Pants.

[1795] It's a beautiful thing, but it's going to be a niche.

[1796] it's always going to be underground.

[1797] That will never be mainstream.

[1798] What about a standard outfit?

[1799] Like, you think that, you know, I know you like ghee pants, but what about if it was only tights only?

[1800] I think you should do what Abu Dhabi does.

[1801] ADCC, they figured it out.

[1802] You let them wear whatever they want.

[1803] They could wear a ghee if they want.

[1804] But when you're allowed to wear whatever you want, if you could love the ghee all you want and worship the ghee, but you're not going to wear it.

[1805] If you're allowed to, you're not going to give your opponent something to grab onto.

[1806] In pride, they would have allowed anybody to wear a Ghee.

[1807] But none of the Brazilian Jiu -Jetsu black belts wore their ghee.

[1808] None of them.

[1809] They were allowed to.

[1810] They didn't want anybody to grab them.

[1811] So what you do is, you let them wear whatever they want.

[1812] Some people like wearing tight booty shorts.

[1813] Some people like wearing board shorts.

[1814] Some people like wearing tight spandex shorts to go to the knees.

[1815] Some guys like short rash guards.

[1816] Some guys like long rash guards.

[1817] Some guys compete in Abu Dhabi and they don't wear any rash cards.

[1818] Well, here's the deal, though, about Abu Dhabi.

[1819] If Abu Dhabi, if you're allowed to wear a ghee, are you allowed to grab the ghee?

[1820] uh apparently of course but you can't grab pants like if a guy's wearing shorts you can't grab shorts no you can't wear shorts but it's a weird thing man because if I wore ghee pants and he was allowed to grab them but uh whatever you know it's all good I like all that controversy at the end I like that the geek that making me wear the the gied backfired on them but it also saved them because it really like all those electric chairs that was all those geepants man that gie pants was they were huge he could he never got close of getting out of my lockdown there was never he never even almost went to quarter guard that shit was locked in and the pants were a big deal a big big part of it that's interesting it's interesting to think of what would how much different would the game be if you had to wear tights yeah tights it would still be hard for him to pull out his leg and even if I just wore board shorts and knee sleeves that would be good enough you know um which is what you did in the first fight yeah the ankle sleeves are huge too you put pants ankle sleeves or if you don't wear pants you could just wear knee sleeves that's what i did in the first one that's why i had the knee sleeves just you don't want uh i mean somewhere i think in everyone's sub mind they think that uh that it's not real grappling if it ain't all greasy it's got to be greasy to be real and why are you trying to stop all the grease and you're supposed to swap sweat with your opponent you're so you know it's like if you wear uh um pants like oh you're cheating don't you want to be slippery with another man?

[1821] It doesn't make any sense.

[1822] But, I mean, don't the pants.

[1823] You said the pants aid you in a big way.

[1824] But he could grab him too.

[1825] So it was, it was, he had an advantage that he can grab him and it saved his ass at the end.

[1826] And I had an advantage where with my personal game, my lockdown game, it helps it.

[1827] I wonder if listening to all this, if they did decide to do a third one, if he would say, you got to wear shorts.

[1828] Dude, if I did a third one, dude, the first rule is I get to wear whatever the fuck I want to wear.

[1829] That's going to be rule number.

[1830] one.

[1831] I get to wear whatever the fuck I want to wear.

[1832] So that's the first clause.

[1833] It seems like promoted correctly.

[1834] There's obviously a market for this now.

[1835] And like I said, I committed to help and I definitely want to help.

[1836] I think that something like this is something that I get behind.

[1837] You know what I'm trying to do, dude?

[1838] I'm not trying to make money with EBI.

[1839] I'm trying to create the best shit.

[1840] Just like you're trying to create with On it, you're trying to do the best shit there's not like ooh there's a lot of money right here if I create a jujitsu show I'm trying to create the best jujitsu show so I want everyone in the jiu jitza community to help pitch in and help me out help us out help out metamoros I'm starting EBI but I still love metamoros and even though you know I'm a hundred percent I'm not going to be in M4 I still want to go you say 100 % well when is M4 I don't know but that ain't happening It's not happening It's not happening Taking some time off I'm for sure Going to take time off I don't even But you think you're gonna do Your own shit from here on out I mean if you got 20K We saw what could happen With M3 Metamorphous 3 We saw the potential Would you say 20 If they said 20K Pay -per -view that's That's a lot I mean we're just guessing I have no idea what it would be That's a lot of money That seems like a lot of people To buy Jiu -Jitsu I don't know, though.

[1841] Yeah, so.

[1842] I'll ask.

[1843] I just, I don't want to really think about it too much, but when I do decide to sit down and talk numbers, I mean, I want to do what's best for the security of my family.

[1844] That's, if I'm going to get back into training camp, I'm going, you know, and start seeing my son less and my wife less and distress comes back and I'm training all day and going through all that and swimming and hating the swimming and the torture.

[1845] If I'm going to go through that, I want what's coming to me. That's it.

[1846] I just want what's fair.

[1847] I want to be a dick about it, but I'm not going to get taken advantage of.

[1848] Right.

[1849] I hear what you're saying.

[1850] My man knows his value.

[1851] Yeah.

[1852] Things have changed.

[1853] I just want to enjoy life now.

[1854] And the thing that feels the best about this is, like, everybody who's gotten into arguments with people about the legitimacy of the system.

[1855] and the style, the 10th planet style, all the arguments that everyone's got into with people and the haters and all that stuff, I think about how vindicated they feel and how I gave them a little boom, I could help them personally in their argument.

[1856] Now when they argue with those same guys, you're like, uh, like the little, uh, I gave him, like I put in a little, uh, that feels really, really good.

[1857] That feels really, really good.

[1858] Help them with a little dig.

[1859] Yeah, man. And, you know, the argument, you know, and again, all I ever try to do is make Jiu -Jitsu better.

[1860] And the people that are resisting me and there's so many people on the Internet who are on a quest to, who are Jiu -Jitsu freaks, who are on a quest to shut me down.

[1861] And they hope the rubber guard fails and the system fails and it's a fraud.

[1862] And they're on a mission.

[1863] And they're generally on, um, there's, I have on the Atomophiles.

[1864] forum, I do frequent the automoform.

[1865] It's the ghee form, probably the biggest key forum in the world on Mix MartialArts .com, if you go on the automoform, and I would say 75 % of the people on there, they are generally not fans of mine.

[1866] So I'm like, in there, like swimming with the sharks all the time, man. I'll respond to shit, and I read their shit, and there's guys that just can't wait for something to happen bad at 10th planet and jump on it.

[1867] But that's always the case.

[1868] It's always the case.

[1869] case, there's always going to be haters out there.

[1870] That shit is such a waste of energy.

[1871] But the crazy thing is I know all these guys and their fake screen names and who knows what they look like and I know who they are.

[1872] It's like the same guys.

[1873] When I, after the fight, I went to my hotel, took a shower and I'm just like sitting there for like five minutes and I looked on the underground and I couldn't believe the headline.

[1874] It was like a one two punch man. It was killed me. First I looked at the headline and it said, Bravo dominates Gracie and Metamoris.

[1875] I'm like, what the fuck?

[1876] and it's like the ultimate review ever front page of my that's that's like my home base man the underground Kyrick I fucking love Kierich man and Chris man I it was crazy and then I immediately I didn't even read I didn't even get on the underground I went to the Atama Forum and I wanted to see what they said and man Brett Nettel check your oil that's his screen name he's always on there he's like that he keeps the peace he's like the the go -between because he also trains at gracie baha he's like the the peacemaker you know because he won't let anybody trash 10 planet because he's one of my black belts but he's also training in the ghee too he wants to get his key black belt so he's the enforcer there so he starts a thread fluk my ass said fluke my ass that was a thread so i got on dude and all them dudes that fucking couldn't stand me not usually when something good happens to 10th planet they just stay off the thread and they're silent and they're just they don't even want to bump the threat up they just want to let it go just let it go let it go let that video go nice little highlight real of us dominating like the gracy nationals they let that go no response let it go let it go because they know if they hate it's going to backfire because now more people are going to say it so but this one they all responded they gave it up and it was so crazy dude I'm sitting there I'll fucking be looking at fucking tears rolling down my fucking face from that shit like that is the best compliment ever when guys that were on a mission when guys that were on a mission every day to follow me around and fucking just shank me on the side and to have those guys admit they were wrong man I don't know man there was the combination that front page and then it was incredible most people don't want to be haters and they become haters and then it sort of gets away from them you know they just they almost can't help it just gets out of control.

[1877] Joey Diaz called?

[1878] Yeah, but damn.

[1879] You got 18T, bitch.

[1880] That shit ain't gonna work in here.

[1881] Yeah, he hung up.

[1882] 18T doesn't work in here.

[1883] Yeah.

[1884] But call him.

[1885] Call him.

[1886] Call Joe Rogo.

[1887] Joey really quick.

[1888] I think he knows I'm on the podcast.

[1889] He probably wants to say something.

[1890] He's probably high as fuck right now.

[1891] Joe Rogan.

[1892] What is he going to say?

[1893] Predicta what he would say?

[1894] Eddie Bravo.

[1895] I told you.

[1896] I told you, Cox Sucker.

[1897] Electric chair all day.

[1898] Let's see.

[1899] Yeah, something might have happened Might have got pulled into a meeting Joey Diaz is blowing the fuck up He's selling out everywhere He's constantly getting brought in for meetings And fucking people want him to do movies And it's just, it's incredible It's incredible, dude Yeah, he's uh I might have went over the 405 or something I have to ask you this Did the Indian come out The after party?

[1900] No No, no, I didn't feel it.

[1901] I was like, no. Probably so tired, right?

[1902] Yeah.

[1903] No, I just didn't feel it.

[1904] Joey.

[1905] Oh, it's ringing.

[1906] Check this out.

[1907] You think it's going to work?

[1908] Yeah.

[1909] Watch.

[1910] I'm not sure if he's going to answer.

[1911] There he is.

[1912] You're on the radio.

[1913] Tell him, tell him you live.

[1914] You're live on the podcast.

[1915] Ah!

[1916] The doors.

[1917] Flags and half -mast.

[1918] I love you, man. We love you, too, man. Thank you.

[1919] Thank you.

[1920] Dude, he came in and just dropped a ball right there.

[1921] He's the greatest.

[1922] Joey Diaz is the greatest.

[1923] So what's next on the music front?

[1924] I mean, it's a hilarious thing.

[1925] You know, you're a jiu -jitsu master, but your music is just as important to you as your jiu -jitsu.

[1926] Yeah.

[1927] You know?

[1928] Yeah, and I believe just as good.

[1929] What's going on with the music?

[1930] What are you doing these days?

[1931] Dude, I just dropped.

[1932] Dude, we just redid dropped.

[1933] Me and Danny Loner, X -9 and Snails, X -Perfect Circle.

[1934] We redid drop, dude.

[1935] I think it's the best work I've ever done.

[1936] Let's play it.

[1937] Can we play it?

[1938] Just go to soundcloud .com slash eddy -dash -Bravo.

[1939] Dude, you're going to trip out what we did to this, dude.

[1940] Okay, well, let's end it with that.

[1941] We'll end it with that.

[1942] Listen, 10th planetjjitsu .com, ladies and gentlemen.

[1943] That's what it is?

[1944] 10th planet JJ.

[1945] 10th planetj .com.

[1946] I got all that shit His headquarters is going to be like tonight Dude I don't know man Oh my god I did I wish I was training again Everything I did In that math That's old school shit that I always do It's all on mastering the system It's all on my website It's only five bucks Right now you could learn Are they filming when you come to class tonight?

[1947] I don't know You better get them to film When you come to class tonight Are you fucking kidding me?

[1948] Are you fucking kidding me?

[1949] Yeah Are you fucking kidding me This is the class after that That place is going to be mobbed bro That's going to be fucking bananas I might even come down, man I'm still sore as fuck though I'm getting another regenerating on my back next week My neck is 100 % now What is that?

[1950] Ricky Rocket Hold on, hold on Let's see Tell me some Make sure he knows he's live Hey Ricky, you're live on Joe Rogan's podcast So don't say any crazy shit Thank you man Someone must have lied to him That's all Someone's been lying to him And we need to get to the bottom of that Yeah Yeah, he's Those are facts Someone lied to him It's the only The only thing It makes sense Someone had a lie to him Yeah Thank you man How about playing drums On one of my tracks How about that?

[1951] Is that cool?

[1952] Okay I don't help this Beautiful But no Stop with the twirling Of the sticks Please can you Can you play one song Can you play one of my songs Without twirling Any goddamn sticks I don't know Hey, but you know what, Ricky, Ricky, I swear to God, man. One of my good friends is Danny Loner from Nine and Snails.

[1953] He knows, I mean, he's deep, deep, deep, deep.

[1954] And I don't know how many times I've always stuck up for Ricky Rock, and I go, dude, that mother, the shit you do as a showman with the twirling of the sticks and all that shit, that's amazing, man. I can't do any of that shit.

[1955] that's talent some people think it's just it's all tricks and smokes and mirrors you know but I I really really respect your showman shipping your drum and I think it's fucking amazing man like Cirque do so lay drumming so I always had your back I always had your back you know that thank you Ricky take it easy Ricky okay he's hearing you he hears everything I hear you you just can't hear me great seeing you too man yeah that's what he was asking asking me. He was out.

[1956] This dude, how good is Joe Rogan?

[1957] He looks like a fucking destroyer.

[1958] He, I bet he can destroy people.

[1959] Like, have you seen him kick the fucking bag on video?

[1960] It doesn't have like 10 million views or something?

[1961] I don't think it is a million.

[1962] Take care, Ricky.

[1963] That's true, man. We're going to let you go, Ricky.

[1964] We got to go.

[1965] Take care, man. Thank you, man. This is a beautiful podcast.

[1966] And this is a Ricky Rocket, by the way, is a blackbell and jiu -jitsu as well.

[1967] He's a bad motherfucker.

[1968] Ricky rocket from poison is legit.

[1969] Legit black belt And he was doing C lot and all that shit too The Danny and Asano system He's a legit martial arts His whole life, his whole life always has been And a great guy Super cool And he's competed as a black belt He did the The Worlds or Pan Am's Big IBJJF tournament As a blackout he competed You know there's Yeah no he's totally totally legit And like I said A great guy Just a cool guy Let's just wrap it up with our sponsors And play that song And get the fuck out of here This is a beautiful podcast This podcast was the most people ever on speakerphone, ever.

[1970] I don't think we've ever had that many.

[1971] Three different people on speakerphone, that's craziness.

[1972] It's crazy, man. But it was beautiful.

[1973] Congratulations, brother.

[1974] It was an honor to be there.

[1975] I got choked up.

[1976] When people were telling me how nuts you were going, that gave me the chills.

[1977] I go, dude, Joe was losing his mind.

[1978] And I was just like, fuck, man, just knowing that.

[1979] You know how Brian Cowan can't shut the fuck up.

[1980] He can never shut the fuck up.

[1981] By the time we got to fog of a child, I still wasn't breathing right.

[1982] Wow Like my hands were shaking My heart was beating And Brian said Blah Blah Blah And then I said this And I was like I fuck guys You know he's like Doing all the shit And I'm like Bro I don't even know What you just said For the last half an hour I haven't listened To a fucking worry Because he was You know Brian Callan When you know how like We've talked about this before It's like When you're not thinking about nothing Your background Defaults to Jiu Jitsu You start thinking about Jiu Jitsu When you're sitting around You start going over moves You know you got 10 minutes Before you have to be somewhere And you're just sitting there And there's nothing going on.

[1983] You start thinking, man, I got to figure out a better counter to, hmm, hmm, start going over that.

[1984] That's default.

[1985] For Brian Callan, when you stop talking, he defaults to gay jokes.

[1986] He defaults to him talking about fucking guys.

[1987] You know, and I told him, look, I fuck guys.

[1988] And he's like, dude, it's like, and I remember looking over in the middle of him saying, like, doing his schick.

[1989] And I was like, dude, I don't know what the fuck you just said.

[1990] I literally haven't even heard you.

[1991] All I've been doing is trying to catch my breath.

[1992] I almost had a heart attack, dude.

[1993] I wrote that on Instagram.

[1994] and it sounds like, you know, something somebody would say.

[1995] But, God damn, my heart was pounding.

[1996] It was crazy.

[1997] I just wanted you to catch him, man. Dude.

[1998] When you went to the truck, when you rolled, that left shoulder roll, the twister roll, which is my favorite move in all the jizzards.

[1999] The other side.

[2000] Halfguard.

[2001] It was inverted.

[2002] But that left roll that you do, that left roll.

[2003] When I knew you were going there, I was hoping you were going to hit the twister.

[2004] I was hoping you were going to adjust and go for the twister.

[2005] Yeah.

[2006] Most people didn't know what the twist.

[2007] fuck was going on like Jeff Glover in the commentary's like I like to think of myself as a guy as well versed in jiu -jitsu and I don't even know what's going on here.

[2008] It was crazy that's why it's so hard to defend you know that was Hanato Magno was telling him you don't any game you just know any game you're going to get tap you don't know Eddie's game you're going to get tapped it's funny but Hoyler to his credit would not tap he's a bad motherfucker you got to give him that man that guy's got hard because I know there's a photo of us online the high time where you got me in the vaporizer, just that picture.

[2009] Like, that's a real agony look on my face.

[2010] I'm like, ah!

[2011] And you're not even pulling on it.

[2012] Yeah.

[2013] I couldn't imagine the way you were yanking it with two hands, and Hoyler just let it go.

[2014] He just let it get all chewed up.

[2015] I'd never gone that deep with a vaporizer ever.

[2016] People tap right the fuck away.

[2017] That's the worst one.

[2018] He's a bad motherfuckerager.

[2019] He hung in there, man. It's Hoyler Gracie.

[2020] You didn't get to be Hoyler Gracie from tapping easy.

[2021] Absolutely, man. All right, man. Um, thanks to naturebox .com, uh, go to, uh, naturebox .com and, uh, naturebox .com slash rogan and get 50 % off your first box.

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[2028] Yeah.

[2029] That is fucking.

[2030] That's it right there.

[2031] Ah.

[2032] That's not me clowning around.

[2033] That look on my face there is like, that's real agony.

[2034] Ouchie, wawa.

[2035] That sucks.

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[2041] If you want to learn Jiu -Jitsu, my friend, the 10th Planet Way, go to 10th planetjj .com or holler at Eddie on Twitter.

[2042] You could get Eddie Bravo at Eddie Bravo on Twitter, and you'll find out if you, He's coming to your town for seminars.

[2043] He does a lot of seminars.

[2044] He travels constantly.

[2045] You didn't travel at all for this two -month camp.

[2046] The last month and a half.

[2047] If you want any information on my home school, 10th Planet Headquarters, which is downtown LA, email me at Eddie at 10th Planetjj .com.

[2048] I'll give you the schedule and prices, and I'll let you know how we do shit.

[2049] We've got a warm -up curriculum that's intense, man. So there's a lot to understand before you have to come to class.

[2050] Now, it's different.

[2051] It's a different day.

[2052] Yeah.

[2053] And prepare yourself for dick picks, Eddie Bravo.

[2054] You just gave out your fucking email address on the internet How dare you?

[2055] Black Cox or an ocean of them are coming your way like a goddamn tidal wave Why'd you put that out there?

[2056] Why did I put it out there?

[2057] It's out there.

[2058] And the song that we're going to close with is available for free download You could at soundcloud .com slash eddy dash bravo Glorious.

[2059] Me, as far as me, I got three dates upcoming Miami, which is this Thursday.

[2060] I'm at the Jackie Gleason theater at the Fillmore with Tony Hinchcliff looking forward to that and then 418 I'm in Orlando with Joey motherfucking Diaz and then 425 April 25th I'm in Baltimore again with Joey Diaz we're gonna have some fucking fun oh April 12th I'm at 10th planet Beaumont Texas with Brian Debs that's April 12th and the first weekend in May there's a Midwest training camp at 10th planet Omaha go to the Nibiro Forum for all the info.

[2061] That's the forum that's on 10th line at J .G .com.

[2062] So that Midwest training camp, we're going to have Gio and Boogie teaching there, John Botelo, Brian McCaffron, and me. It's going to be just a wild weekend of just mad jiu -jitsu.

[2063] Glorious, glorious.

[2064] All right, Joe Rogan .net for details and tickets and all the podcasts are available there as well.

[2065] Thanks to everybody that we ran into this weekend.

[2066] I try to take pictures with as many people as I could at Meta Morris, but it got fucking crazy.

[2067] But thank you for all the love.

[2068] And thanks for all the love Sunday night, too, at the ice house.

[2069] Or at the comedy magic club we'll be back tomorrow we got a lot of podcasts this week a lot of cool shit and much love everybody now dropped Eddie Bravo's new track the new remix Smoke Serpent is the name of the band just listen to 15 seconds no just play it man they're coming with it from the start to the finish strictly business when I bring it to your attention this honorable mention piss all in your invention misses can't afford to mention mention This is only my suggestion, my emergence, commensical, metabolic, my corporate imposter I spotcha.

[2070] Funny Nirvana never treated me proper.

[2071] Never enough, nodded to conquer my trauma.

[2072] Little shop of horrors and calamity stop the guy.

[2073] I hate, net to walk the line.

[2074] The first best my vibe.