#580 - Lewis, from Unbox Therapy

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[5] Hello.

[6] Lewis is here from Unbox Therapy, sweating all our beautiful new equipment that doesn't work, especially our new fucking super awesome HD setup.

[7] We were supposed to be live in HD by now, but someone fucked us.

[8] they sold us this fucking Sony HD box that's supposed to work great with Ustream doesn't fucking work at all with Ustream Not only is it not work with Ustream It's never been proven to work with Ustream Ustream's never got one from them To test it Lies and propaganda At least it's pretty looking though Yeah it looks dope as fuck So we'll probably wind up going with a tricaster Because this fucking sack of shit Isn't working correctly And we're watching, look, we talked about zero before the podcast started that has anything to do with tech.

[9] Everything was about sexual allegations, sexual assault allegations, whether or not someone should be rioting, whether or not these fucking idiots that are closing down the 101 freeway in L .A. to protest something that happened in another state.

[10] It's crazy times.

[11] Yeah, well, what is that about all these crazy white?

[12] It's all white people.

[13] that are protesting like in do you see new york city in new york city as well oh yeah they they won't show it on the news because it's like everyone's like it's all white people it's all these like wow emo white people social justice warriors yeah demanding justice yeah yeah i don't know it's rampant everybody's everybody's trying to latch on you know to express themselves through this high profile situation well i think that there's no doubt there can be no doubt that there's a a real issue with police brutality.

[14] There can be no doubt.

[15] There's many instances, and this is not the best one.

[16] You know, Jamie was talking about it before the podcast that the 12 -year -old boy who was shot in Cleveland with a fake gun, a toy gun, like seconds after the cops arrived.

[17] That is way scarier to me. That kid that was shot in a Walmart who had a toy gun, that is way scarier to me. You know, they're not even asking questions, talking, trying to find out what's going on.

[18] they're just shooting.

[19] Yeah, it's a funny thing about, like, which news stories prevail and become the, the mainstream ones.

[20] They need to be this, this sort of perfect and appealing package that people want to share and talk about and sort of that drives conversation.

[21] The really, like, obviously terrible ones that nobody has, you know, like, it's hard to have an opinion about that other than that's terrible.

[22] Yeah.

[23] When, when it comes to, like, a kid being shot with a toy gun versus the other the other situation in uh michael brown yeah the michael brown situation where for some reason there appear you know there there's there's these defined sides on that in that thing there's very little gray area for discussion it's like pick your team we were talking about this before the show but i was watching on twitter a white rapper and uh a black guy arguing and the black guy was on the side of the cop that shot the kid And, you know, wasn't an asshole, wasn't a Republican, he was saying, look, the reality is this guy had robbed a store just before then, had been involved in a bunch of criminal -type behaviors, and there's witnesses saying that he charged the cop.

[24] Like, you don't know what happened.

[25] Right.

[26] And the white rapper was arguing with him, and he was saying, you are blind to the facts in your desire to be down.

[27] Mm -hmm.

[28] And, you know what I'm saying?

[29] Which had to hurt the white rapper.

[30] right black eye accuses you of fucking posing but there's i mean that's but that's what's happening in the street right now isn't it i mean it's the same thing it's that it's uh it's appealing for people to to latch on to a cause in order to help try to identify themselves yeah you know to get something out of it to get some kind of very good way of defining yeah to get some kind of uh i don't know like like this this kind of a win can be a success for them that they can express themselves through uh these kinds of issues but obviously it's not about it's not just about a cop shooting a guy right right it's like in this particular case it appears to me that it's part of a much bigger issue and specifically that area uh and and and and probably the way of life there like is it really you need to be a certain kind of person to just jump on a riot train right like oh wicked perfect i'm let's burn down more shit right yeah and in i mean sometimes it'll be it it's not necessarily just race, sometimes it would be a certain set of circumstances like a sports team loses and people go crazy and start smashing cars and whatever.

[31] And it somehow attracts other people to that agenda.

[32] I remember in Toronto during, I think it was the G20 summit when it was like the first time ever people had like smashed wind.

[33] I was living downtown at the time.

[34] And I had, I had my first kid Will and he was little.

[35] And I remember sitting at home inside and knowing that people were out there smashing windows going like, How, in the God's name, are these people justifying it?

[36] How, how do they believe for a moment that smashing a Starbucks is what's going to change anything?

[37] Yeah.

[38] I mean, it's such a weird way to try and get what you want.

[39] Is it any, it's not even a, I don't know, it seems to me like the equivalent of kicking and screaming as an adult.

[40] Oh, it's even worse.

[41] It's so idiotic.

[42] There was a Twitter post today that I read where this guy was standing in front of a BMW dealership in Oakland, California.

[43] which by the way is nowhere fucking near Ferguson and the windows were smashed and it said fuck corporations right fuck corporations let me tell you something you dumb cunt you wrote that on a phone that was made by a fucking corporation you piece of shit you fucking dunce and you broadcast the damn picture via another corporation that allowed you to even have the voice to reach the people that you ended up reaching with it What has BMW done besides make awesome cars?

[44] What have they done that's so terrible, besides making fantastically engineered automobiles that you couldn't possibly come up with yourself?

[45] Yeah, I don't know specifically, but I think it is very strange that people pick and choose which corporations are there for them and which ones are against them.

[46] Because ultimately, this entire economic ecosystem is what allows everyone to survive and what allows anyone to have any kind of well -being it's not perfect everybody knows that but when you burn down the McDonald's in your neighborhood you're taking away jobs from the people that actually need them you know what i mean like or the walmart or whatever whatever it was that the destruction that's happening over there it's like by by force you want to throw a tantrum but at the same time the consequence is bigger than you personally it's uh there are i'm sure plenty of upstanding citizens who just wanted to go back to work.

[47] And this corporation that you're angry with is actually something that people rely on.

[48] Yeah.

[49] And in the case of this BMW dealership, I mean, you're talking about such an unrelated institution.

[50] Yes.

[51] So unrelated.

[52] Yes.

[53] Starbucks, there's people that were guarding Starbucks and people were freaking out.

[54] Fuck Starbucks.

[55] You know, what about the people?

[56] What about the people?

[57] People pay for that stuff.

[58] You know, Starbucks is a franchise.

[59] Like someone owns it.

[60] They had to earn money, save it, get a bank loan, go out of the way, hire employees, put together a business model.

[61] I mean, Jesus fucking Christ, this childlike view of the world.

[62] And this is not exonerating police.

[63] And I feel for the police because I think their job is almost impossible.

[64] To be a cop in a crime -ridden area is almost impossible.

[65] There's almost nothing you can do to stem the tide, unless you could go back in time and somehow or another, not even the parents of the children who grew up to be criminals, but the parents of the parents, the children that grew up to be criminals, and somehow reach them, somehow educate them or provide them with some sort of counseling or some factor that's going to change the way they view the world and view community and view each.

[66] other and give them opportunity give them some sort of a way to not be involved in a life of crime not be involved in these horrible cyclical repeating relationships that seem to occur in these terrible areas right these so many factors yeah and and in many cases the areas themselves reinforce the behavior through various means like I used to watch the first 48 have you ever seen that show and you get to see how like immediately after a crime takes place what the cops are working with uh as far as the the evidence but also uh the witnesses and trying to get anybody to say anything about what happened but i know like a super core fundamental level if you don't want to tell the police that you know who killed somebody is that really any different than participating like then being a part of it it's so weird weird to me that that's considered to be an acceptable thing amongst that community, right?

[67] You're the no snitching thing.

[68] The no snitching thing.

[69] Yeah.

[70] It's like, hmm, that to me just sounds like you're afraid.

[71] Yeah.

[72] That to me just sounds like the actual power within that group doesn't lie within the police or authority or whoever, but it lies somewhere else.

[73] But you're somehow justifying it to yourself by saying, oh, I really am participating because I chose not to snitch well if you live in that community though and you did snitch the consequences would be dire i mean it's not something that's like an easy thing to stand up for if you're living in a crime ridden community sure but then but then you also shouldn't expect anything to change boy that's it's weird to put the onness on the the the the people that are poor and that are living in these areas i see what you're saying i don't i mean i it's not it's not completely that way obviously there are things that could could happen surrounding that world that could help it out but ultimately to get yourself up out of there it has doesn't it have to be i mean who can really walk into that community who's not a part of it and change and change something right it's not like it's not like it's not like when uh the police go in there they're treated in in a certain way because maybe the life they lead is so different than that of the individuals in that in that lifestyle themselves you know well also that us versus them mentality gets some right It gets cemented in terms of sports teams.

[74] So imagine how crazy it gets when you're dealing with crime -ridden neighborhoods and police.

[75] It's so hard to break free of.

[76] I worked as a security guard for a very short period of time when I was a kid.

[77] And it was a place called Great Woods.

[78] It's like a concert place in Massachusetts.

[79] And one of the things that I remember really clearly is realizing that we had all developed this us versus them mentality.

[80] I think there was these crazy drunk concert goers who would cause trouble and do all kinds of crazy shit and then there was us and we had developed this very clear us versus them mentality that I saw people I saw people act on this against people that weren't a problem you know and I remember watching it you know kind of stepped back from it but a part of it as well because I'm wearing a security outfit I'm going okay we're doing like cop shit this is like what cops do yeah and then I was thinking like man I want to if that's just like what happens.

[81] And you know that Stanford study that they did where they took, they, they, they did like a prison study where they put people in jail and they made one group become security guards and one group become prisoners.

[82] I believe it was Stanford.

[83] Wasn't it Stanford?

[84] Yeah, I think that sounds right.

[85] But they had to call it off, like, they had to cut it short because the people that were the guards had been so shitty to the fucking people that were the prisoners.

[86] They were like, well, this is like inherent human behavior or something like that.

[87] It's almost like there's a pattern that people slide into that unless they're really consciously aware of not doing it, yeah, the Stanford Prison Experiment.

[88] Wow.

[89] Yeah, and it was really eye -opening to a lot of people that...

[90] Yeah, power is a very corrupting thing, right?

[91] Especially that kind of ultimate power, like someone's in jail, or you have a gun and you can shoot them and you're allowed to.

[92] Yeah, it's an unfortunate thing that that's the only way to govern ourselves, that we, that we're forced to do so at the end of a gun.

[93] Like, you hope that that doesn't have to happen frequently, but ultimately, that's part of what's holding this whole damn thing together.

[94] You know, I drive down the highway to get here, and it's like, Jesus, everybody is in their lane, all of these different mechanisms at play to keep order, to keep things happening.

[95] smooth sort of way and yeah there's crazy shit going on elsewhere but we've also done one hell of a job of having the vast majority of people comply yes based on the system yeah that's something that people overlook when they think about chaos and modern society like god is so safe and organized yes in comparison of the number of people you're doing with i was in mexico city recently right for the UFC first time yeah wow and Mexico City is first of all everybody thinks like oh my god you're gonna get kidnapped oh my god you're gonna get shot first of all they are the nicest people Mexicans in Mexico City are so friendly they're so nice but their version of order and our version of order are very different you know what stop lights optional gridlock you know how we have gridlock occasionally someone fucks up and they get stuck in an intersection when the light changes and everybody beeps at them In Mexico, there is only gridlock.

[96] Like, there's no getting out of it.

[97] The lights change, and it's just bumper to bumper in both directions.

[98] And I saw people that were trying to merge, and they would just pull in.

[99] They would just pull in front of everybody.

[100] And you're talking about six, seven lanes, and these people would just pull into the lane.

[101] And people would just sort of stop, and some people wouldn't stop, and then they'd have to pull forward.

[102] And it was fucking craziness.

[103] And I'm laughing.

[104] I'm talking to the guy that was driving.

[105] I was like, is this normal?

[106] And he's like, there's no, no, no, this way in America?

[107] I'm like, no, in America, when it's a red light, people actually stop.

[108] Yeah, it's amazing.

[109] It is amazing how well -trained we actually are.

[110] Yeah.

[111] I mean, a light comes up and everyone complies.

[112] The odd, it's a very minor outlier that actually disobeys that, even though it's a fairly simple thing, and most of the time, no one's probably going to die.

[113] Yeah.

[114] But we, it's just, it seems like when you're relatively well taken care of, it's so much easier to just fucking comply.

[115] Yes.

[116] When everything's okay.

[117] When your belly is full and your children are safe.

[118] The minute that you take away the necessities, it's like, let's go.

[119] There's a thin veneer of civilization.

[120] Oh, it is.

[121] And you get like these crazy people, like zombie apocalypse type people, like it's all going to crumble.

[122] But truthfully speaking, how much would it take?

[123] I mean, it's not like you need a complete collapse of the infrastructure to get people.

[124] panicking.

[125] I remember that big blackout on the East Coast a few years back where it knocked gas stations out it knocked most people's houses out and you know people were running their air conditioners too much and the panic was real there people were like people had to talk to each other one to one and be like which pizza place still has food you know which ovens are running off propane like it was dipping quick and that was like a week my friend Tommy was in Connecticut when that big snowstorm hit and he was telling me how they had a drive hours just to use a cell phone right you'd drive like two hours to find a cell phone service crazy you had to find food like it we went he you're saying that we went to he you know he and his girl had went to dunk and donuts for food there was a giant line outside of dunk and donuts because it was the only place that had anything to put in your body exactly any calories that's what happened that's exactly what happened in my area when it originally happened is essentially you had like one pizza place feeding the entire community until they ran out and it but it really exposes the fact that we have such this kind of gets into the world of technology but like basic skills like sort of just being a human skill survival skills weak yeah in general in general across society if we were forced to rely on our own means to deal with like ABC mm -hmm Jesus take take away the cell phone on its own.

[126] I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm, uh, we were talking about doing a video like 24 hours without technology.

[127] Like, maybe we'll get a map and we'll have a set of challenges, like, try not to use your phone.

[128] But, uh, having, being, you know, thinking about that as I was on my way out to, I mean, I'm on Google Maps.

[129] I'm analyzing traffic.

[130] I'm rerouting based on accidents, right?

[131] It's like, take that away and how much more ineffective am I at participating in all of that?

[132] Yeah, I have a friend who doesn't use the navigation systems.

[133] he still uses maps.

[134] Wow.

[135] I looked in his car and I go, where's your navigation system?

[136] And he goes, and he rolls out the old paper map.

[137] Well, he's an author too.

[138] I mean, he's a wealthy guy.

[139] Right.

[140] And he goes, I just don't, I don't want to deal with it.

[141] I go, you want to deal with what?

[142] Things that are awesome?

[143] Like, what the fuck are you talking about?

[144] Like, you don't want to be a part of the new information that's coming your way that tells you how to be more convenient.

[145] Yeah.

[146] More efficient.

[147] Yeah.

[148] You can get around this accident.

[149] Don't you want to know What's there?

[150] Like, why would you...

[151] So what do you think that's about?

[152] Wanting to be, like, living in the fucking past.

[153] It's like longing for nostalgia.

[154] Like, you know, he wants to fucking follow smoke signals to find the village.

[155] I don't understand it.

[156] It's funny that anybody who's nostalgic like that or avoiding change, they only want to go back so far.

[157] Right.

[158] Yeah, they don't want to go caveman style.

[159] It's like, it's just, everyone picks a point in their life.

[160] even now i have friends who have picked that point like they're done this is as far as they're going with technology and like you know you're showing them a smart watch or whatever it might be in it's or even even not that like it could be a piece of software or social media like they're on team facebook but twitter's too much or something it's funny how at some point people flip the switch and they're like this is as far as i'm going with this damn thing yeah yeah there's that weird thing that people do uh you know you have kids and i have kids and i have kids and i've talk to many people of, man, I wouldn't want to bring kids up today in this world.

[161] I'm like, what are you talking about?

[162] People brought up kids when they were woolly mammoths, when they're fucking saber -toothed tigers.

[163] Yeah, and like one in a hundred infants survive.

[164] Yeah, like what are you talking about?

[165] This is like the best time I have a kid ever.

[166] You know, they have amazing doctors.

[167] Yeah.

[168] You really have very little to worry about.

[169] And the kid has so many advantages themselves from a learning perspective like i am amazed i have a five and a three -year -old at how you know the unfiltered maybe unfiltered is a bad word because i don't want them going everywhere that they want to go online maybe right right yet but the idea that they're in control of the information that they participate in it's like a huge deal to me yeah that they're not just flipping on the tv and sitting through whatever is programmed for them yeah instead they have the freedom to select whatever it is that's interesting to them and I know that in my life when I started to really identify the things that I liked was when I really started to progress in what I was capable of personally like that's the essence of education at least the best kind when you have a basic kind of draw to a particular topic and then you get there and then you retain it that's I mean that's really the whole package and I don't know you know if we talked about education the last time I was on here but I mean I remember growing up and not giving a shit about a particular topic and then all of a sudden when the internet was amazing I find myself hours deep into a particular article or I'm on Wikipedia it's like what am I doing right what am I doing the old me would have thought that I was an idiot you know that I like dude get out and do something cool why are you but it's amazing how the context shifts the entire conversation when you're doing it for yourself when you're driving your own car ship whatever all of sudden things become enticing and interesting that when there was like a dictator pointing down saying this is the curriculum it just wasn't the same way it's also the enthusiasm of whoever is telling you about the subject too right you know there's some people that can talk to you about like i knew de gras tyson is my favorite example because he's so passionate about space and about astrophysics and when he's talking about these things it becomes fascinating whereas you can watch a lecture that's given by someone who just has no interest in the subject or excuse me no interest in teaching the subject they're just they're just relaying information they're just getting through it and they think that all they have to do is plow through it without any charisma without any that's what i was going to i was going to use the exact same word is i think charisma is not something that's abundant amongst people it's a very special thing that some have some don't and it's like it's not a prerequisite for becoming a teacher it's not like wait let's evaluate their charisma right it's it's a an institutional kind of approach to how do you pump out you know how do you factory farm teachers right right and and so it's unfortunately not a very difficult thing well i don't want to go that far i mean it does take work to become a teacher but it's not like it's not like you're you're pre -qualifying them to be entertaining or to do a good job of of the things that lock a person's eyeballs on to you and so there's the ratio of teachers that are charismatic versus ones that ended up there is i don't know that you're ever going to be able to fix that no i don't know i don't know if you are either it's like trying to find charismatic people to explain any subject to you yeah charismatic people that you know are managers of an office charismatic people that you know talk to you at a hospital about what happened to your kid you know i mean it's just like charisma or i don't even know That's the word.

[170] But genuine enthusiasm for a subject.

[171] Passion is so contagious.

[172] When something happens in the world and you can have two options.

[173] One is just the facts laid out to you in a very bland, monotone way.

[174] And the other one is someone who's extremely passionate on the subject who talks about it with, like, great emotion and understands the significance of the information and how you're going to react to it.

[175] Has this understanding of the interpersonal reaction, a relationship.

[176] That's so huge to taking in the information, to absorbing it.

[177] And I think that the enemy of that is the idea of curriculum.

[178] The idea that there is a very direct and concrete way of learning something.

[179] Like you have this list of things.

[180] By the end of this course, this person is going to know this and that and that, and they're going to be tested on it.

[181] if I was a teacher or a charismatic person or whatever it's like I don't I don't want to just be your puppet your robot up there following the set of guidelines that you set forth they have very little freedom in what they can bring into that conversation against what's been approved by whatever body is responsible for producing that that information and you know and oftentimes it's like the same guy who's standing up there is the guy who's selling you the textbook and there's like this weird This weird kind of thing baked into it where it's not where it's about do it's like the path of least resistance.

[182] It's about not ruffling any feathers.

[183] It's about just getting from A to B to C without really having a strong point of view.

[184] But isn't it also about like you have to have the basic building blocks?

[185] Yes.

[186] And then from there you have to or you should find something you're truly interested in and then pick a career.

[187] But at what point?

[188] At what point do you think that an individual has the basic building blocks.

[189] Right.

[190] Where does it happen?

[191] Because, in my opinion, it happens far too late.

[192] I don't think we're encouraged at a young age to really hyper -focus on the things that are interesting to us.

[193] Yeah, I think you've got a good point there because I think that kids that do find something that they really enjoy early, they have an awesome head start in like, like, they have hope as to, like, what they would like to do.

[194] Yes.

[195] You know what I mean?

[196] Like, if you talk to someone who is really involved in pickafield computer programming they want to be a game developer and they're 14 years old and they already started coding and they're doing something like well this kid is on a path whereas you know some people are 20 and they're near duels and they're just fucking laying around eating chips and they're trying to find their path and I just got to find something I'm really interested in meanwhile his 14 year old brother is reading coding magazines and already like you know reading about John Carmack and how it started off id software and you know he's like he's like he's on a path.

[197] You know, and getting on a path can give you so much energy and momentum and it makes it so exciting.

[198] And the argument would be that, would be that, well, maybe that's not really where their head was going to be at.

[199] Maybe you closed some door.

[200] And that's, that's like the fear, right?

[201] That's what, that's what, like, parents are thinking and the kids themselves that they need to have this vast array of subject matter that they're proficient in because, God forbid, they end up wanting to do something they're not prepared for.

[202] But that's like, that's like a weird way of looking at it in my opinion i think some people i think everybody at some point in their lives has a particular skill that's worth exploring but oftentimes it doesn't fit into the window of of what would be acceptable at that time right and also your parents sometimes discourage you from that if it seems like it's a tricky subject or it's difficult to succeed in it like my parents were not into me being a comedian at all right you know when i told my mom was going to be a comedian And she's like, you're not even funny.

[203] I was like, oh, shit.

[204] My own mom.

[205] Fucking brutal.

[206] You want to know something, though?

[207] Think about the alternative of your mom saying, oh, perfect.

[208] You're the funniest guy I've ever heard.

[209] Like, I know guys like that, too, are their moms of their biggest fans, and it hasn't done very, they're very much for them.

[210] That's a good point.

[211] Like, sometimes it's better if they present you with a challenge.

[212] Like, I'll show you.

[213] I'll show you, lady.

[214] You know, like you, if you get too much encouragement or a distorted, version of your actual skill set that can be bad too yeah jamie something's going on in my throat man can we make some tea do we have tea to you back there i'm fighting off something but not like a cold there's something in my throat like i feel physically good but i'm going ah -ham a lot and i know that shit is annoying as fuck to you folks out there another thing we were reading before we got going is that dude from cbc that was facing sexual assault charges how do you say his name john jamesi that is a weird subject and a hard subject for me i have three daughters and when i read about dudes beating up women especially um this guy who's like this really left wing progressive yeah sweet voice guy who would do interviews and talk to people like this pretty much the idea that that guy was beating women up and you know and doing it under the guys i mean who the fuck knows what the reality is but the allegations are that he was doing it under the guise of fantasy or sexual fun i mean what would you call it bondage sm yeah yeah that's what it is and it's funny because i remember when that craziness was going on when 50 shades of gray came out it's like everybody on the subway train had a copy yeah obviously i didn't but it blew up and i remember thinking like this is the first time that bondage S &M has permeated pop culture in a big way and the movie's coming out soon too and I know that he went so far as to reference 50 Shades of Gray in his argument meaning that in some way he felt that that enabled him some leeway yeah right that's that's that's that's that's a really weird thing to me is like the accept the acceptability of that way of doing things like between what somebody wants to do and doesn't want to do i mean when you're engaging with somebody sexually how do you if all of a sudden culturally you have this huge book that x number of women reads or read sorry how much more likely are they to put up with that even if it's not you know what i'm you know what i'm trying to get at yeah i did is that book about beating them up 50 shades of gray yeah i don't know i i don't i think it's just mostly just rough sex and bondage tying up uh whipping that kind of shit but i think it i think it exposed a world of sexual fantasy that wasn't i mean that shit was so mainstream yeah you know i think for the average soccer mom or whatever it wasn't in in their lexicon pre 50 shades of gray now i'm not i'm not blaming the book or whatever i mean people are going to do what they're going to do and this guy was obviously behaving that way long before based on the accusations long before that book even came out but uh it seems to me that he his point is that or at least his defense is that this was simply rough sex right right and that was working for him for a bit because the initial accusations as far as I know were sexual partners he had had girlfriends right but then these other accusations started coming out about girls who wouldn't participate who were just showing up and getting beat up and being asked to leave and there was no sexual element at all.

[215] So, you know, it appears that the guy has some kind of a issue.

[216] I don't know why it's so disturbing to me, but what gets me is these guys that are like these really sweet, like, like soft -spoken, like, you know, you just picture him cuddling.

[217] You couldn't even picture him fucking.

[218] You know what I mean?

[219] Like, I couldn't picture that guy like stuffing a girl into the corner of a couch is just fucking hammering away.

[220] I wouldn't think of him being doing anything dynamic or violent.

[221] In that way, you almost assume as more of a predator.

[222] Like the person, you know, like a psycho.

[223] Like a fucking Ted Bundy type character.

[224] Well, there's something about someone who is like really like projects an image and the image is like the Cosby situation.

[225] Perfect example.

[226] Right.

[227] Projects this image of this wholesome, super squeaky clean family man who doesn't swear, admonishes other comedians for swearing using bad words talking about sex gets really angry with them calls them up the famous Eddie Murphy bit where Bill Cosby calls him up and tells him to stop swearing and then he calls up Richard Pryor and Richard Pryor tells him did the people laugh did you get paid tell Bill to have a Coke on a smile shut the fuck up classic right when you're dealing with a guy in Richard Pryor who's just fucking everything's on the table man everything's on the table and coke and lights himself on fire.

[228] It's far more comfortable to know where you stand with a guy.

[229] Yeah, that's my dog.

[230] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[231] That's my man. Because if you're willing to go that far on that, yeah.

[232] Then you're probably not hiding anything.

[233] There's nothing, there's nothing scarier than somebody hiding shit.

[234] Really.

[235] Exactly.

[236] When you think about it.

[237] But the interesting thing about the Cosby situation is that it's, the accusations are date rape, which to me is, well, I don't even say date rape.

[238] I would say the worst kind of rape.

[239] Sorry, I was referring just to the drug.

[240] Right.

[241] Like, it wasn't date rape in the sense that, like, uh, he, you know, he was on a date or whatever, like, he was held him down.

[242] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[243] Like, he, the difference in that, I'm not saying it's any different in, it's not any more excusable or anything like that.

[244] I know you're not.

[245] All I'm, all I'm saying is that, uh, trying to, to prosecute that.

[246] Oh, your, your point is the, the, what's the woman, what's the story?

[247] Right.

[248] What's the, the, the accusation?

[249] I was, I was completely cognizant.

[250] I woke up in somebody else's clothes.

[251] Like, I read her account, the original accuser, who nobody was listening to, at least for the first few years after the accusation.

[252] I woke up in his apartment, don't know how I got there, and I was wearing his clothing, and I was throwing up.

[253] That's the accusation.

[254] Right.

[255] Well, what a woman has to do?

[256] Well, I shouldn't say, I shouldn't put it on the woman, but the only way to prove is to immediately get a drug test.

[257] And then call the cops.

[258] and you know i mean but a lot of women in those scenarios are fucking terrified and scared and not only that you're dealing with like way back into the 60s yeah and there was you know like what kind of drug tests were even available back then what could they test for how could they and it's so the drug itself and that happening to people was so new right yes you have i i don't even know that somebody would would realize the steps necessary maybe had they gone but imagine you're that what was she was like 18 at the time you're her and you're you want to make an accusation against bill fucking cosby right nobody wants to listen to you nobody I mean he's a giant superstar I mean he was a superstar in the 60s like I believe his first TV show is in 65 I think I spy I mean he was an Emmy Award winner before I was born crazy you know and that the thing that kills me though is that like like this Gomeshi guy He was this, like, sweet guy.

[259] Like, you, you, you saw him as this, you know, the father figure on the huckstables, and he had this.

[260] You could never imagine that guy dropping qualoos into a chick's drink and just, it's so fucked up.

[261] And it's almost more fucked up than if the allegations are like, let's pick a guy, like, old dirty bastard.

[262] You know what I mean?

[263] Rest in, rest in peace.

[264] But if old dirty bastard did something awful, you would go, well, let's, you know, like, I was, you know, like, I was.

[265] Yeah, yeah, because you know where you stand with Old Dirty.

[266] Yeah, right, right.

[267] You meet Old Dirty, you're like, I already get it, man, you know?

[268] And not to say that he was a rapist.

[269] Right, right, right.

[270] But, yeah, it's, there is something creepy about, you know, the whole Ted Bundy character.

[271] Meanwhile, old Dirty Baster is probably less likely to do that to you, which is more fucked up.

[272] Right.

[273] He was probably a guy who just, like, women knew what, you know, look at his gold grill.

[274] You knew what the fuck that guy was all about.

[275] Because the creepiest people are the best actors.

[276] Right, right, right.

[277] The creepiest people are the guy who talk to you in the radio like this and then get you alone and you fucking cunt and punch you in the face like, whoa, you imagine that?

[278] It's pent up.

[279] Yeah, I mean, especially if you're a woman and you're into those like emo dudes and you see him and you're like, oh, this guy's sweet.

[280] He's going to cuddle and I'll be able to get really close to him before we have sex.

[281] You know, he's punching you in the head and stuffing your head under a pillow and trying to suffocate you.

[282] It's so fucking crazy.

[283] It must be such a mind fuck to be in that scenario after the fact, you know, to find yourself there and be like, wow, that was not expected.

[284] expected stand -up citizen we're assuming he did this by the way i mean we don't what the that's true i better be careful he's tried to sue the cbc but yeah but he dropped he dropped it well if you drop it i mean if you're suing and you're in the middle of stuff he's charged now he's charged now as of a couple of days ago so yeah i mean he's not he's not convicted yet but there are a number of accusations on the table and that's gonna that can't bode well for him yeah i mean oh who the fuck knows what actually happened in that particular case but what just drives me up the wall is that someone's capable of doing that it's it's it goes back in it's sort of a very loose way it goes back to what we're talking about with ferguson it's like a real issue when it comes to any kind of a crime any kind of a horrible scenario is what turns a person into the type of person that can do that what turns what turns what turns a person into the type of kid look whatever michael brown did we know he robbed a store we know he's There's a photo of him grabbing some guy by the neck.

[285] He's a giant guy.

[286] We know that he did that.

[287] So what, could you have done that when you were 18?

[288] I couldn't have.

[289] I wasn't a violent per.

[290] I was violent in the sense of I was fighting.

[291] You had an outlet.

[292] But yeah, my outlet, I mean, I was never, I never, I hadn't, I haven't even gotten into a scuffle since I was in high school.

[293] Like I've had, maybe one time on Fear Factor.

[294] But the one time on Fear Factor, I didn't even hurt the guy.

[295] I just grabbed him.

[296] didn't do anything to him.

[297] I just, I thought he was going to hit me. The question, yeah, the question is, what makes a person like that?

[298] Exactly.

[299] How much of it is?

[300] Nature, nurture, so on and so forth.

[301] I think it's almost a huge chunk of it is nurture.

[302] Right.

[303] A huge chunk.

[304] But nature and nurture are combined because of epigenetics and, you know, there's learned behavior.

[305] There's, there's tendencies that a child gets if they're in the womb of a mother who's under extreme stress and duress.

[306] A woman who lives in a horrible neighborhood, it deals with violence in the home.

[307] a woman who's being beaten while she's pregnant, that child will have a higher propensity for violence.

[308] Like, there's all these studies that have proven this or being done to prove this.

[309] Everyone's unequal.

[310] If your parents are super sweet and in love with each other and super supportive and you grew up and you're in the womb of that mom.

[311] And then there's this kid whose mom is getting beat up by the dad who is a junkie who comes home every three days and it's just chaos and violence and fear and crying.

[312] You're growing up a different person.

[313] So if you're in that circumstance and you're part of a greater group of people who have also had that same experience coming up, are you really, do you really have the capacity to understand how your actions are affecting the entire picture?

[314] That's a great question.

[315] That's the real question, right?

[316] That's the real question.

[317] The real question is isn't whether or not that cop shot that guy in a just way.

[318] the real question is how how do we stop a kid like that from being a kid like that how do we stop an angry young man from from developing into a criminal how do you intervene is it possible to intervene is it possible to intervene with counseling is it possible to intervene with education or is there some sort of a medical pharmaceutical alternative that's on the horizon I mean who the fuck knows what it what what turns someone into what's you know fill in the blank there's a million instances all across the country every day of people committing violent crimes and it's and and and and to be fair it's not just this this part of the populace it's not just somebody who came up uh without very much right well that's why this gomeshie guys kind of that's what i mean or i remember the kid in santa barbara the rich kid yes who had had it out for women or whatever i read read some stuff regarding him when that happen so yeah it can happen anywhere but it's obvious that violence among particular communities is vastly more uh consistent yeah impoverished communities there's more stress more stress more violence more poverty did you hear that they found that McDonald's is spending significantly more money advertising in poor neighborhoods recently yeah they did a study they're like i don't even remember what the percentage was.

[319] I hate quoting things that I don't have the data on.

[320] Maybe Jamie can look it up.

[321] Yeah, Jamie can put it.

[322] But, yeah, that maybe it runs even deeper than this, right?

[323] Because you, I mean, you know the important, like, how does, how does nutrition play into it?

[324] Right.

[325] And that's a good point.

[326] You know, I mean, sugar is a big part of the diet of poor people.

[327] I mean, not just sugar, but sugar in refined form, whether it's candy or soda, but also in terms of, like, bread.

[328] and carbohydrates, it's all like in alcohol, all those things immediately processed into sugar.

[329] If you're a poor family and you can go to McDonald's and get a bunch of meals for five bucks a piece, and it's weird how many things are stacked against you.

[330] It's just weird.

[331] Like that the building blocks of human life, like vegetables or whatever, are not accessible to you at least not in the same way as those other ready -made meals like because you got to cook them you got to the investment isn't just the amount of money that it costs because i've seen those responses like well you know they could buy vegetables and this and that but when you're working two jobs and you're a single parent and whatever else that the energy invested in actually turning that those vegetables into something your kids actually want is this it right here yes it's disturbing ways that fast food chains disproportionately target black kids.

[332] That's specifically McDonald's, but it's a lot of Papa John's, Popeyes, is what it's saying.

[333] Well, McDonald's in there?

[334] Sorry, I may have accused them.

[335] They're in there.

[336] Okay.

[337] Well, I think they go where they can make the most money.

[338] I mean, it's like a magnet attracts metal filings.

[339] Well, how do you feel about that?

[340] Is this acceptable?

[341] Well, sorry to put you on this plot.

[342] Here's the thing.

[343] In an ideal society, like if you, Lewis, would like a Big Mac, you should be able to buy Big Mac.

[344] Completely agree.

[345] You know that a Big Mac is shit.

[346] You know, that's not good for you.

[347] But if you have a choose between going down the street to Whole Foods and getting a nice salad that's super healthy and nutrient dense or a Big Mac and you choose as an adult to go get a Big Mac, that's one thing.

[348] But there's a big difference between that and children and, you know, and people that aren't educated or people that are poor.

[349] I don't think that McDonald's or Bird King has a responsibility.

[350] Should they be able to advertise to minors?

[351] Should they be able to do whatever they want as long as it's illegal?

[352] I mean, look, if you want to serve your kid a cheeseburger, should that be legal?

[353] If your kid, okay, you're five -year -old, says, Daddy, I want a cheeseburger.

[354] Like, all right, well, for a goof, let's go in there and get a cheeseburger.

[355] Yeah.

[356] Is that, should that be okay?

[357] And if that's okay, why, I mean, if it's okay to go to an ice cream store, if it's okay to go to Baskin -Robbins and get your kid an ice cream Sunday, which pretty much everybody does every now and again.

[358] But here's what I'm getting at.

[359] is that the developing mind is very susceptible, at least traditionally, has been susceptible to this, to advertising's ability to bypass the defense mechanisms that an adult brain has.

[360] Right.

[361] I know you want to sell me something.

[362] Right.

[363] I know that Big Mac looks fucking delicious.

[364] I'm going to come buy it, right?

[365] Right.

[366] But maybe, like, long term, embedding, them embedding themselves in the psyche of people at a young enough age is somehow, affecting their decision -making far later into their lives that it's not just a simple discussion of you know an advertisement tomorrow and and free choice tomorrow like how free are we actually when it comes to thinking right right yeah well it's very it's a very complicated and complex situation because what is okay for one group is not okay for another what is okay for adults discerning adults who are educated and aware if you want to go get a Snickers bar, you should be able to.

[367] But if that is all that's available in your community and you are young and starving and you don't have much money, then it's a real issue.

[368] Because like this kid needs nutrition and they're not getting it from a Snickers bar or a Big Mac.

[369] And it would be interesting to attempt to investigate the consequences of that from a mental perspective.

[370] Like, is it possible to have a fully developed mind living off Snickers?

[371] it's not I don't think so either whether or not it's fully developed it's not going to be optimized no that's for sure no and the effects of that at a young age so it's not it's not like it's an old thing from a human history perspective like the food that would have been available it may have been available more to the rich people than the poor people but you're talking about roughly the same stuff right right comes out of the ground or you or you kill a cow and whatever you got what you got no well I think what we really need what communities really need is community gardens and you know it would also foster a massive sense of community if you had community gardens where like say if you live on a block all you would need is one lot okay you know you have a hundred homes on a block one of them one lot would feed literally a hundred homes you would just have to grow it correctly you know stagger the food and have everyone do shifts if you have a hundred families doing shifts in this you know one you know half acre a lot i mean half acre is a lot of land as far as like growing food if you have access to water and seeds and all these the you know the proper soil to for growing food you could do an amazing thing with an area when i was a kid my parents were involved in uh my stepdad was going to school he was a computer programmer and he went back to school to come an architect and when he changed careers he when he was going to school he was involved at one point in time with some project at his university where they were um they had like a communal garden sort of a thing and everyone had to do like a shift and i remember this very clearly because i went with him one day and i got attacked by a goat this fucking cunty goat jumped after me and they had livestock at this garden oh yeah yeah yeah they were they were milking goats and It was a part of, I don't, I was about maybe eight at the time, maybe seven or eight.

[372] So I do not remember the exact extent of their duties or whatever thing, but what everything was for.

[373] But I remember there was all sorts of different vegetables they were growing and then they had some livestock that I think they were using.

[374] Goat's milk is particularly nutritious.

[375] Yeah.

[376] Very easy to digest as well.

[377] And it's an issue with babies.

[378] A lot of babies have a real hard time with cow milk.

[379] My daughter did.

[380] Yeah.

[381] She had a really hard time drinking cow milk.

[382] but goat's milk is super easy to digest for whatever reason.

[383] I don't know, nutritionally.

[384] Enzymes or whatever.

[385] But that idea, that concept of a communal garden, I mean, first of all, it could bring the community together in an amazing way, you know, where everybody's sort of working towards some sort of a universal goal.

[386] And two, it could provide people with food that you don't need money to pay for.

[387] If they can just, you know, if everybody has a shift that they have to do.

[388] Like, hey, it's your shift to lay down.

[389] manure or your shift to pick up you know the crops and document them and if you have like you know a log book that everybody has to sign in and you know oh today we picked 18 squash we put them here you know let everybody know send the word out squash is available to families come and get some squash you know the kale is grown to the point we could pick it that that's all possible and not like economically prohibitive and would probably save a lot of people a lot of money I think that makes a lot of sense, most definitely, but I think for me it's like you wonder how much time plays into it.

[390] Right.

[391] Because when you, like what comes with money and well -being and growing up in a good community and whatever is time.

[392] Free time.

[393] Free time.

[394] Yeah.

[395] Which is what allows not only things like that to exist, but also the ideas.

[396] you know like the the free format of communication and ideas when you subtract time from people when they are getting paid uh you know a fraction of whatever they get paid a person's getting paid per hour or whatever it's they're or you know redlining their their capacity the the age old work smarter not harder type scenario but it's like if uh if time is not abundant it's hard to imagine that people would find a way to participate in something like that.

[397] Well, there's a guy named Ron Finley, who's got a TED talk on this very subject.

[398] Right.

[399] He calls himself a guerrilla gardener.

[400] Wow.

[401] I like that.

[402] Yeah, he's got a TED talk about guerrilla gardening in south central L .A. And it's really interesting.

[403] Wow.

[404] Yeah, and he has these gardens that he's set up in like medians.

[405] Like he's growing food in all these places where nothing.

[406] was growing but like weeds before and he gets young kids involved in growing this food and he's talking you know in his TED talk it's really interesting because you know he's he's talking about how little it costs and how healthy it is and how good it is for you yeah you know it's a it's a really i gotta get him on here man i got he's um yeah i mean he sounds like a badass i wonder if he has a yeah i wonder if he has a twitter i'm sure he has a twitter it's funny though that if this stuff is really as accessible as it seems it is like ground sun rain right why the hell does it cost what it costs at whole foods what's that about yeah what is that about i mean i was i got here and i was at the whole foods in venice and jesus christ that place is buzzing it's a scene man it's it's it's it's like it's like you're you're in some wacky nutritional nightclub they got like a little wine bar people are sitting there talking sipping on expensive wines you know buying the most expensive produce you possibly can it's very expensive it's like a right of passage it's like nutrition is a right of passage there's a place that's even more expensive called airworn they were in airworn no it's a new one oh oh oh to the next level do they have a dress code no but whole foods is better though because whole foods has like a real butcher shop like whole foods you can get like a fat bison steak yeah i saw that like good meat yeah i mean they even had smoked brisket like they're smoking it right there in the supermarket's like je well there's a whole food in boulder that is like a goddamn restaurant i mean they have all sorts of it they have a pizza oven yeah they have all they make sandwiches they have all sorts of stuff the one in venice had the wood pizza oven too i tried it it was badass pizza yeah like i'm not taking anything away from them better food for more people is awesome expensive though that's what i'm saying that's what's hard price wise it's like and I'm not trying to be prejudiced or anything, but that is a type of person that's in there.

[407] You know what I mean?

[408] I love how you said that.

[409] I'm not trying to be prejudiced.

[410] It is prejudice.

[411] There's a Twitter page called Yes, You're Racist.

[412] Oh, okay.

[413] And I was tweeting it the other day because it was during the day of the riots, it was a great time to go to Yes, You're Racist.

[414] And they would find racist tweets and put them up.

[415] And the guy who runs the page was saying that that was the worst day ever.

[416] Worse than Trayvon Martin, worse than any other, like that day, well, there was so much, so much racist bullshit being tweeted.

[417] Wow.

[418] I mean, I believe it.

[419] I've been in the YouTube comments before.

[420] It seems like there would be a way to mitigate a lot of the issues.

[421] And it's also difficult to get people to fucking eat that shit.

[422] Like, they want to eat cheeseburgers.

[423] Right.

[424] You know, it's not as simple as, do you want some more coffee, man?

[425] Do you want some more coffee?

[426] I would love some more.

[427] This is fantastic coffee.

[428] I'm just, it's starting to sink in.

[429] I'm getting fired up now.

[430] We got plenty of caveman coffee in the house.

[431] All right.

[432] Perfect.

[433] It's hard to get people to choose a salad over a fucking ice cream column.

[434] But, but I feel like it is prevailing.

[435] I mean, I don't know about when you were a kid or whatever, but nobody was saying McDonald's is bad for you.

[436] Right.

[437] Nobody was saying cigarettes are bad for you at some point in time.

[438] Well, at some point in time, doctors were prescribing cigarettes.

[439] Did you ever see that Jay Edgar Hoover?

[440] film with Leonardo DiCaprio?

[441] Oh, no, I never saw it.

[442] It's a good movie.

[443] And one of the things in the movie was Leonardo DiCaprio or Jay Edgar Hoover's mom telling Leonardo DiCaprio that he should, you know, smoke the cigarettes that the doctor prescribed to make him heartier, you know, to make him more...

[444] Really?

[445] Yes, they're hardier.

[446] They're prescribing cigarettes to make you, like, rougher, stronger.

[447] No way.

[448] Yes, doctors prescribed cigarettes.

[449] Yeah.

[450] Well, you know, before the...

[451] Before the vibrator, doctors would give women orgasms.

[452] Yes.

[453] Hysteria, right?

[454] Yes, hysteria being connected to hysterectomy, being connected to the...

[455] Find a way to log it into the book.

[456] That's...

[457] But that's like the connection, hysteria and hysterectomy, like, that's where the word comes from, apparently.

[458] And these women...

[459] I mean, I'm doing a butcher job of the definition of it, but these women would go to the doctor and the doctor would just finger blast them that's what the doctor would tell you know i mean with a cigarette in his mouth the origins of the word hysteria yeah right probably right yeah it's it's it's wild how much things can change in a short period of time yeah and it's an it's an accelerating thing as well uh but i think we're you know we'll look back on this time and say i can't believe we did that the same way we're looking back on 40 years ago or 30 years ago or 30 years ago and saying i can't i can't believe we did that so uh there's definitely a movement into the direction of a getting back to the food thing into a direction of a more fulfilling diet yeah hysteria the um describes unmanageable emotional excess the fear that can be centered on a body part or most commonly on an imagined problem with that body part disease is a common complaint uh see also body dysmorphic disorder you know what i was reading or no, sorry, listening to a podcast, I think it was a radio lab or, I don't know, something like that.

[460] And they were talking about using a woman using PMS as a defense in a court case.

[461] Oh, yeah.

[462] For punching or hitting her kid or something like that.

[463] And how the implications of that on the legal system, whether or not you're psychologically there when you're experiencing that hormonal imbalance that comes with that time of the month?

[464] Yeah, well, people have used sugar as a defense for murder.

[465] What?

[466] Yeah, some guy used twinkies, like eating, he ate too many twinkies.

[467] And went crazy?

[468] I believe I was in Northern California.

[469] Yeah, female hysteria.

[470] That's the thing I was looking for.

[471] A once common medical diagnosis exclusively in women, which today no longer recognized by medical authorities as a medical disorder.

[472] It's diagnosis and treatment.

[473] were a routine for many hundreds of years in Western Europe and one of the things they would do they would blast water on a woman's pussy there's a photo if you go to the Wikipedia for...

[474] Look at that cannon what is that a fire hose?

[475] Look at just blast and get out of here.

[476] Note how her legs are together and down meanwhile she'd be like grabbing the back of her knees get out of here it would just be flooding her purse now look at that wooden chair that doesn't look like it's ready for that kind of force?

[477] I know.

[478] It should be like some sort of a captain's chair, like Captain Kirk had in the enterprise.

[479] That's going to tip over.

[480] I like how, you know, you see how the doctor's keeping his distance.

[481] He's firing that from a fair distance.

[482] A physician in 1859 claimed that a quarter of all women suffer from hysteria.

[483] One physician cataloged 75 pages of possible symptoms of hysteria and called the list incomplete.

[484] Almost any ailman could fit the diagnosis.

[485] Physicians thought that the stress is associated with modern life cause civilized women to be both more susceptible to nervous disorders and to develop faulty reproductive tracks.

[486] They just fucking guessed back then.

[487] It's really amazing when you go back just, you know, a couple hundred years and you look at like the connections they had to disorders and diseases.

[488] They just guessed.

[489] Yeah.

[490] They were so off.

[491] Yeah.

[492] They didn't know what the fuck they were talking about.

[493] is false, by the way.

[494] It's false.

[495] It's not true?

[496] That's what it says.

[497] Oh, is that Snopes?

[498] Snopes said it.

[499] But didn't some guy actually use something like sugar as a defense?

[500] Sugar as a defense.

[501] I'm sure some hot shot lawyer has attempted to use...

[502] What does it say?

[503] Does it say it never happened?

[504] Recently resigned.

[505] Twinkie defense is a commonly recognized term.

[506] It says he got off with voluntary manslaughter.

[507] Defense argued the refined sugar in his judgment.

[508] Junk food made him depressed and mentally incapable of premeditated murder.

[509] Well, no, listen, this was an actual defense that he tried to use.

[510] His defense was that he suffered diminished capacity as a result of depression.

[511] His change in diet from healthy food to Twinkies and other sugary food was said to be a symptom of depression.

[512] So, contrary to popular belief, his attorneys did not argue that Twinkies were the cause of the actions, but that the consumption was symptomatic of an underlying depression.

[513] So it was like confusing So like he's depressed Look he eats all these Twinkies He must be depressed He's depressed and that's why he killed somebody It wasn't that the Twinkies Were causing him to kill somebody The Twinkies were just a consequence of his depression Twinkies apparently were never mentioned in the courtroom During the trial Nor did the defense ever claim that White was on a sugar rush And committed the murders as a result However one reporter's use of the term Twinkie defense caught on and stuck That's people in a nutshell And that's me I'm perpetrating it I'm fucking keeping the ignorant train rolling.

[514] It's funny how stuff like that works.

[515] You know, I mean, essentially, a lot of that is going on in Ferguson.

[516] Like, someone gets an idea and then, like, my hands are up, don't shoot.

[517] Like, they're pretending that this kid said, my hands are up, don't shoot.

[518] So, like, people keep saying, hands up, don't shoot.

[519] Yeah.

[520] And then you've got witnesses that made testimony in the indictment that were saying that he rushed the cop.

[521] And then he said, you know, you're too much of a pussy to shoot me. Who the fuck knows what really happened?

[522] That's not the sexy story.

[523] Exactly.

[524] Cops need to wear fucking cameras, you know?

[525] And a couple cops have argued with me about this online.

[526] Really?

[527] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[528] Saying that they don't think they should.

[529] Yeah, they were saying, like, you know, do how much money that would cost?

[530] But fuck off.

[531] How much is a GoPro?

[532] Fuck off.

[533] You can get one for $150.

[534] Yeah, Jesus Christ.

[535] You got fucking so much money as being invested.

[536] You get a 4K GoPro.

[537] right now.

[538] Yeah.

[539] So much money's being invested in the war on drugs.

[540] So much money's being invested in Afghanistan, in Iraq, and just fill in the fucking blanks.

[541] Corn subsidies.

[542] I mean, Jesus Christ.

[543] The amount of money that's being, you ever watch King Corn?

[544] Not yet.

[545] The amount of money that's being invested in making sure the McDonald's still has fucking corn syrup.

[546] There's a lot of money going around, folks.

[547] And the idea that someone who carries a fucking gun that it's not a good idea to put a camera on them.

[548] Right.

[549] For all sorts of reasons.

[550] Look, if that kid was saying on camera you're too much of a pussy to shoot me and running towards that cop and the cop shot him we're good we're done this whole thing's done so right now we're dealing with a lot of speculation and we have a bunch of people that are walking down the street and mass closing down freeways yelling out hands up don't shoot what's the cost of that now how the fuck do we even know that that was said like what are you doing and like that black guy that on Twitter was saying to the white rapper you are blind to the in your attempt to be down.

[551] And there's a lot of that going on.

[552] There's a lot of people.

[553] They want the narrative.

[554] They want the narrative.

[555] They want it to fit in with their idea of, you know, what is just or what is exciting or what's really going on.

[556] The other thing about the camera, too, is it's not just about what would have been captured.

[557] It's about what might not have happened.

[558] Well, there's a, I tweeted a story, or I tweeted a study, rather, about California that said that when they made cops wear cameras, the number.

[559] of complaints against cops, the numbers of violent incidents and abuse dropped dramatically.

[560] When people are accountable, they don't fuck up.

[561] On both sides.

[562] On both sides.

[563] If you're somebody who's committing a crime or not or whatever, you understand the consequences of that camera.

[564] Yes.

[565] That what you're about to say and do, there's a record of it.

[566] And the cop knows he can't get away with anything.

[567] Both parties know.

[568] And you know what they should do?

[569] If they find a cop tampered with a fucking camera, they should put him in jail for 20 years.

[570] They find a cop that erased footage or that purposely, if they can prove that a cop purposely fucked with a camera, this should be a high consequence.

[571] You know what, though, there's a way around that.

[572] You could have it uploading, streaming in real time.

[573] Yeah.

[574] You know, like, have you heard of, do you have one of those drop cams or have you heard of them?

[575] Yeah, I have heard of them.

[576] Yeah.

[577] So, like, set them up in five minutes.

[578] They're like this big.

[579] They connect to the Wi -Fi network and then, boom, you're streaming.

[580] The only problem would be if you were in a place that It was remote, you know, if you were in the main woods or something like that.

[581] If, you know, you're a fucking game warden or something.

[582] You know, abusive cops could get away with it if there was no signal.

[583] But, right.

[584] I mean, if you had some sort of a fail -safe mechanism where the data is being backed up by Bluetooth, you know, to the hard drive of the patrol car, you know, or some sort of a signal that reaches the hard drive of the patrol car and it can't be tampered with, that doesn't seem to me to be outside the realm of possibility.

[585] That would be great for everybody, great for the cops.

[586] and fantastic for civilians.

[587] I mean, I guarantee you that alone would cut back on police abuse dramatically.

[588] Would you per -so you get pulled over for speeding?

[589] Right.

[590] You want the cop coming up and recording that?

[591] Yes.

[592] Really?

[593] Sure.

[594] Okay.

[595] Why not?

[596] I don't know.

[597] There is some kind, there is a feeling that being recorded is a negative thing.

[598] Like the whole, you know, NSA type thing.

[599] But maybe it's different because you know you're being recorded.

[600] Yeah, you know you're being recorded.

[601] And you're being recorded because you violated a law.

[602] Okay, let's say you didn't, though.

[603] Well, then you say, I didn't violate the law.

[604] Right, right, right.

[605] You say it on camera.

[606] Right.

[607] Some people would have a hard time asserting themselves, which would be an issue.

[608] Because socially, some people are a bit more awkward.

[609] That could be an issue.

[610] But I think that if someone comes up to you and talks to you about a crime and you know you're being recorded, I mean, there's got to be a lot of transparency there.

[611] If you were speeding and they have the evidence and they have all the data, I mean, that's all...

[612] The only thing that would be a problem is people wouldn't be able to get off for being, you know, cute or having a great story or a girl with big tits.

[613] Yeah, what percentage of traffic infractions do you actually end up getting convicted for the whole thing?

[614] Right.

[615] Like, there's no leniency there.

[616] And the amount of blow jobs That's the real reason Right there I know a cop Well I don't know a cop I know a cop rather I know a girl who got pulled over by a cop And the cop said look it might be some other way We could take care of this And she was like what the fuck are you talking about And the cop went back to his car, rode her a ticket And fucking sent her on her way You know like he was That's been going all for as long as there's been cops I'm sure He's floating it out there Oh look my zipper's undone Oh your mouth is right there Yeah, I mean, it's been done.

[617] It's not like the first.

[618] I mean, how many times has a girl offered?

[619] I mean, there's probably a lot of girls that have offered that.

[620] I'm sure.

[621] You know, the thing is, though, human beings' cameras, why it, I was watching this thing the other night.

[622] Maybe you've heard of it called Surveillance Man?

[623] No. Have you heard of this?

[624] He recently got all his shit pulled off YouTube.

[625] But this guy goes around and just.

[626] records people regular people walks up to you records you and puts it online and whatever he edits it together and puts it on YouTube well that's kind of fucked up it's very fucked up well that's it's very fucked up is he agree I wouldn't know do we know who the guy is no no idea so he doesn't put himself online ever fuck that guy so he walks up to people and gets various responses some people like he walks up to chew all this stuff got pulled off YouTube but it's on live leak now He walks up to two Mormons, the ones that go door to door, and they're super polite.

[627] They're like, whoa, they're like, oh, you're recording us, whatever.

[628] Like, they have a nice conversation, and they walk off.

[629] But then other people, they're trying to knock them out.

[630] But I think it's so interesting how the camera in and of itself almost has this social view of, like, a weapon in a way.

[631] It's like you're pointing that thing at me because you're attempting.

[632] it's like the person's not doing anything wrong by pointing the thing no no I mean the person that's getting recorded you're not doing anything wrong why does it make us feel so uncomfortable because you're opening up a door for a bunch of other people to enter into your life if you take a guy I take a camera on you yeah I don't know you I find you I take a camera on you and I put it on the YouTube channel that has a million subscribers like yours does well no no let's say the person doesn't know that when they're being recorded okay not right like if you're out in the street Well, it probably doesn't count for you because somebody might know who you are in that case.

[633] But if you're a regular everyday person and someone walks up to you with their smartphone and they're just a few feet away from you recording you, that's what he's doing.

[634] So he's not announcing that it's going to be on YouTube.

[635] But people's reactions are intense.

[636] Yeah, it should be.

[637] I'd steal his phone.

[638] I'd steal his phone and kick him in the dick.

[639] Fuck that guy.

[640] But maybe he wins.

[641] But he wins that way.

[642] He wins that way.

[643] How's he win?

[644] Because I stole his phone?

[645] No, because that's a way.

[646] Because that's a way better clip if you don't get it.

[647] If you don't get that phone...

[648] Oh, I'll get his phone.

[649] I'm going to get his phone.

[650] Well, whatever.

[651] You may be more gifted than others who fail in his clips to get it from him.

[652] Is he like a sprinter?

[653] Well, he starts to get...

[654] He moves away at the right time.

[655] This guy's crazy.

[656] He interrupts...

[657] There are cases where he walks behind the cash register at McDonald's and starts recording people that are like making burgers and they're just like, what the fuck?

[658] Or in certain cases, like, he walks into like a card game that's going on, a private card game, and he's recording it.

[659] Like, he takes risks to get that footage.

[660] But I agree with you, fuck that guy.

[661] But at the same time, I think it sort of unveils something about humanity and how we're not completely ready for a fully recorded future.

[662] We're not completely ready, but I feel like it's kind of inevitable.

[663] I think there's almost nothing to stop it from, and me, If you look at where things are going, you look at what was our access to information just a hundred years ago?

[664] What is our access to information going to be like 100 years from now?

[665] Fully streaming everything.

[666] Fully streaming.

[667] No, I'm a big believer in that we're going to be sharing our lives.

[668] That our lives is going to be like, you know, I can go to your Facebook and look at your pictures.

[669] And I think there's going to be a time where you're going to be able to read my fucking thoughts because my thoughts are going to be recorded on a hard drive and HD or instead of my It's rather my life, what I see, you know, the experiences that I have.

[670] And then from there, it's probably going to be even more complex and complicated.

[671] There's going to be some sort of a mechanism for reintroducing emotions into an outside observer.

[672] Like, I could find out whether or not you cried when you went to the movies.

[673] I'll watch a movie through your perspective.

[674] I mean, that might be a channel that you go to.

[675] Let's watch movies with Lewis.

[676] Yes.

[677] You know, and like, oh, my God, Avatar 16 just made me cry.

[678] And I'm like, oh, he's crying like you were.

[679] You know, like, you see it through your eyes.

[680] I could, like, see what you like to masturbate to and how you, what excites you.

[681] But that's all...

[682] It's totally inevitable.

[683] But if you asked anybody to flip that switch tomorrow, it's like you're not going to be on the front lines.

[684] I don't know about all that.

[685] Oh, you would?

[686] I don't know about all that.

[687] You're ready to broadcast 24 -7?

[688] I don't, not me, but I think a lot of people would jump right the fuck in.

[689] So you have people on YouTube who almost do that.

[690] They upload a vlog every day, let's say.

[691] I like how you say that, vlog.

[692] Vlog.

[693] I usually call it Vlog.

[694] Oh, okay.

[695] But vlog.

[696] Well, because it was pulled from blog.

[697] Right.

[698] Yeah.

[699] But, and I sit there and I look at that and I'm like, damn, I am so happy that that's not me. That that's not what I have to do.

[700] Well, you're a content -based guy.

[701] You're doing videos at Unbox Therapy based on your review of particular items, objects, things.

[702] So, yeah, so people are tuning in not.

[703] I mean, partially for a glimpse into my life, but not, I'm not expected to create content out of my experiences, 24 -7.

[704] Right.

[705] Whereas, like, I feel like a vlogger is in this kind of space, not everybody, but some, where they're trying to turn, maybe not even consciously trying, but once you broadcast everything you do, how can it not become a performance?

[706] How can it not be, I mean, yeah.

[707] Well, that was Henry S Thompson's argument when they were filming him way back when he was doing one of his early documentaries that they did on him.

[708] He was saying that you're, you know, you're not going to really get it.

[709] Like that camera that you're putting on me changes the interaction.

[710] 100%.

[711] Exactly.

[712] And that's what I was trying to get at with the whole thing before about the cop carrying the camera or the surveillance guy or whatever is like, are you you when a camera's on.

[713] Yeah.

[714] Well, eventually you are.

[715] eventually you're you when the camera's on what does that mean I'm you now you're me now no I'm me now I'm me now when the camera's on are you yes like this camera I'm me that's deep man but I do this so often I know in a podcast like if you and I were having this conversation the only difference would be I wouldn't be feeling these fucking things on my ears yeah I mean maybe I would reveal some personal information here's a bigger question are you the same me to everybody not to people that I don't know if they might have like ulterior motives or they might be creepers or they might be weird like there's people are guarded about certain information sometimes you're sitting in that chair and I'm sure I don't remember one doesn't come to mind but the guy across from you you're not you know what I mean it's not a connection like it could be I don't know if you maybe not if you disagree with something but you must have had conflict before in this environment that changed the you that you were most certainly I mean but you also would have I mean any conflict outside of this environment if you had conflict with someone and you in a park it would change who you were and how you interacted with them you would be more guarded you'd be like oh this guy's a creep yeah yeah see the you the this is like deep shit but like but no but seriously I don't know that you can be the same person around everybody yeah I don't know either I think we all I think we all I think we all do some kind of editing right well and not only that i mean isn't that kind of what a being a human being is we part of what we are is we are who we become when we're around other people yes one of the reasons why we like being around certain people is they make us better yes they make us interesting completely agree with that they make you more fun or they make you more kind or they make you yes we're we're not totally autonomous we're just not no we're not completely individuals we are individuals interacting with under individuals and those ingredients of these other individuals provide they change who we are yes that's why it's important not to hang around with negative people yes i had a friend who's a nice guy but fucking dude was like he he always was involved in drama and bullshit and when i was around him like i remember thinking like this fucking guy like everything in his life is always a mess and when i'm around him i become a mess Like when I'm around him, I'm arguing with him And when I'm not around him, everything is calm And his life remained chaos I stopped hanging around with him It's like way back in the day But I stopped hanging around with him And his life just became more and more chaotic And mine became peaceful Because of it Because I eliminated this one Like super problematic dude from my life But I have other people Then I hang around with them And it's always fun You know, I hang around with them It's always laughs and joking And it's always a good time And you feel better when you're around them.

[716] You become a better person.

[717] I think we collectively, at least sometimes for me, like we underestimate the importance of this stimulus.

[718] Yeah.

[719] The people that are around us, the things that we surround ourselves with, like Facebook recently did something controversial.

[720] I don't know how recently, but they started auto -playing videos as you scroll through.

[721] Ew.

[722] And you know that some of the shit that's out there, you don't want to see, right?

[723] Yeah.

[724] I know I definitely don't I don't play sucks in general It sucks in general but I guess what I'm getting at more with this one is it's like the internet opens up this door to see As much as you want right and to To use your eyeballs In a metaphorical sense as like the vein to insert the drug And so I don't I don't know that we are collectively aware of the the fucking heavy duty consequences of that that the web the web giving us everything is that's the best thing about the web but it's also the worst thing about the web in that you're changed forever you watch a guy's head get chopped off you're different it's true it's no there's no going back you've seen it you know what that looks like I mean up until I was in my 20s I didn't know what it looked like when a guy got his head sawed off by a buck knife you know that's right then you see it and you go oh Jesus Christ and I remember I can still to this day remember I think the first time I ever saw like faces of death same and just this day I was way too young to see that yeah I just remember like the weird like tightening of your body like the the intense let me ask you this do you wish that you hadn't seen it no no I'm fine now well I mean I've seen them now and it doesn't make me a worse person it's just it is what it is I know what it is now you know it's like you don't go out of your way to watch more of it no i do not i avoid it i avoid it like these recent ones with these uh journalists that would beheaded by the isis guys i i i avoided all them because no need the objective of those guys is yeah is to attract your eyeballs i don't need to experience that i know what it looks like i know what's going on i don't need to experience but i you know i did watch one because i couldn't believe it was on fucking youtube somebody sent me a link to it on twitter something about isis and i was like what so i i clicked on it thinking it's a youtube link this is not going to be anything serious it was a full on execution shooting them cutting their heads off both youtube and twitter are having difficulty keeping it down because of the the speed at which it's being replicated and re -uploaded yeah like these guys from a social media perspective are fairly educated that you hear the guy's voice he's got an english accent it's like these are not who we think they are right right we think of them as being uneducated savages or unaware who living in caves.

[725] And that was the narrative for so long that that's what that was about.

[726] But it's interesting how people subtract themselves from the overall equation.

[727] And by that I mean that by watching it, you're perpetuating it.

[728] Sort of, yeah, in the way.

[729] Yeah, because the entire objective from an ROI, this sounds gross to say it this way, but from an ROI perspective.

[730] ROI.

[731] Return on investment.

[732] from a return on investment perspective ISIS has mad legs via one dude what's the cost of one dude right that's the scary part is that the internet has allowed for the proliferation of a piece of content an idea something that all of us collectively recognize as negative but can't keep our fucking eyes off well there was something that someone tweeted who is a part of ISIS where he was talking about how everybody gets crazy when one person's body part gets removed but meanwhile 100 people get blown to bits by a robot and no one says a word There you go It's hard to argue with that I mean I'm not supporting ISIS But it's hard to argue with that logic We have some weird ways of looking at loss Somebody tweeted me the other day That there was an objective To kill 40 people and they wound up killing 1 ,417 people in their attempt to kill these 40 people.

[733] Like, that's a lot of fucking murder for no reason.

[734] I mean, those other people, that collateral damage, those people have families, those people have lives, those people had friends, those people had lovers.

[735] All those people are gone.

[736] As long as those people on TV, speak a different language and wear a different outfit.

[737] And look different than us.

[738] Boo -ya.

[739] Boo -ya.

[740] Let's do it Yeah And all that is affecting us All that's changing us Just like having negative people in our life Just like communicating with shitty people Just like being in a bad neighborhood All that is affecting your reality You are a combination of your reality And your take on that reality Yep This membrane here Is not nearly As strong from a structural perspective As we like to believe it is Yeah no shit right And that's what I was saying with the fast food thing in targeting black people in black neighborhoods and kids and this and that.

[741] It's like the informational world.

[742] We just don't view it like torpedoes or heroin or whatever.

[743] But the consequences are very similar.

[744] Like when you let shit in, it changes you.

[745] Like we both just said emotionally, how is it?

[746] You can watch this thing that you know already happened, right?

[747] Like how – I can't change what happened there, right, when a guy gets his head chopped off.

[748] There's literally nothing that I can do about it So it might as well be fiction at this point It might as well be Hollywood at this point But it's not I watch it and I know the difference And I can't steer clear of it I can't escape that high Yeah, you can't escape that input I mean we are essentially a product of our input Yes Our interactions, our input And how we process all of it That's what we are That's what makes a person a person.

[749] That's why people that have lived colorful lives are so interesting It's because they have so much input There's so much variety in their input Right Yeah And when we all become connected Some sort of a weird hive mind way Yeah Yeah Is everybody More fucked up than we think There's a lot more fucked up shit Than we think Yeah I think we've based a lot of of our ideas of reality on media when I say media I mean like fictional depictions of people songs, cold play songs yeah and there's a lot of women to think dudes are like the guy in the cold play song fuck dude don't please don't I have a whole like tangent on rom -coms about how like what's a rom -com a romantic comedy oh it's rom -rom -com how no self -respecting dude should ever take his girlfriend wife to any of those movies those moves that's fucking terrorism right there give me an example Jennifer Anderson movies Jennifer Anderson when she was like a cop that shit every fucking time it's selling one thing the grass being greener always and you're the fucking you're the current lawn you know what I mean you're the current fucking lawn and you're taking you're taking like it's crazy to think that oh we're just going to enjoy it and we're going to laugh and whatever this and that there is no rom -com there is no none of that structure without the triangle the love triangle and the love triangle opens the door to the third party see we don't work that way dudes for the most part right we're like stimulated by other shit as you know but on that side of the fence it's all imagination it's all like yeah the fucking pool boy or the the delivery man or whoever someone's always going to treat you better or whatever it is and as you know anytime you're in a relationship you learn really quickly that well i think we talked about this last time about you know the honeymoon phase and how things change and that's just part of growing and whatever but in those movies it's never about that it's never about oh look they've been together forever and they're still fucking doing it Right.

[750] It's always some prettier dude has to come along.

[751] You're a fucking idiot if you're taking your wife to that shit, okay?

[752] What should you take it to?

[753] I don't know.

[754] Planet of the Apes?

[755] Some dystopia fucking version of reality where guerrillas become sentient and they start getting machine guns and shooting white people.

[756] Is that what we need?

[757] No, maybe not that.

[758] I don't know.

[759] I don't know.

[760] I don't know how to solve that shit.

[761] But all I got to say is don't participate.

[762] But what if you enjoy them?

[763] No, you don't.

[764] No?

[765] No, it's impossible.

[766] It's fucking impossible.

[767] Ryan Gosling movies?

[768] No way.

[769] Drive, maybe.

[770] Who's the other guy?

[771] Who's the 21 Jump Street one?

[772] Who's the guy?

[773] That guy, that handsome bastard.

[774] What about him?

[775] Fuck them all, man. Whoa.

[776] No, strong words.

[777] I take it back, Channing.

[778] I didn't mean it.

[779] You got to do what you got to do.

[780] And if, you know, if I look like that, I'd probably do the same goddamn thing.

[781] But truthfully, like, it's, it's weird how much we turn our lives into the stories that we want them to be.

[782] Well, we definitely pretend.

[783] We definitely pretend.

[784] And the other issue is that when that's a part of the input of reality, you're dealing with, like, faulty data.

[785] Mm -hmm.

[786] You're dealing with, like, fictional accounts of reality that's based...

[787] A fucking glitch.

[788] A bunch of writers sat down.

[789] They were in a room.

[790] They worked for weeks on lines that would sound absolutely ridiculous in the real world.

[791] Music plays when the guy delivers them.

[792] His head is 60 feet tall.

[793] he's on a giant fucking screen the perfect words his features are perfectly symmetrical everything is wonderful so dreamy yeah I mean look think about like what they can do in movies now look how about the movie 300 those guys didn't even really look like that like I remember when I saw that dude Gerard whatever the fuck his name is Butler yeah in real life and I was like look at this fucking flabby bitch I couldn't you want to do something I couldn't handle that movie really no why is that it was too far beyond the realm of what I was willing to accept I feel the same way about a lot of zombie shit you know I was watching I was like sort of off the Walking Dead for a while I watched the first season and then you know I don't know it got old for me because the zombies stopped being as capable as they were early on right they're all slow and shit now yeah you know and it's like well fuck I don't know I want the zombie I want a dangerous zombie you want a 28 days later zombie love 28 days later You know, if I need to be afraid of something, like, second nature for them, you know, to kill them now.

[794] But anyway, I'm watching that shit, and it's like, all the girls look fucking awesome.

[795] They got makeup.

[796] They got makeup.

[797] They're prepped up.

[798] I want to see the real zombie movie.

[799] People look like shit.

[800] Well, fuck it.

[801] All of Hollywood needs to tone down the appearance.

[802] I, my suspension of disbelief and my enjoyment of all of Hollywood is being hindered by the fact that they can't put normal -looking people in stuff.

[803] I was watching the Jurassic Park trailer this morning.

[804] Looks wild.

[805] It looks wild but at the same time I'm thinking shit's hitting the fan, this and that and the fucking eyeliner is perfect.

[806] That bugs you?

[807] It bugs the shit out of me. How can anyone get excited about that as a filmmaker?

[808] Like you at all costs want this person to suspend disbelief and pretend they were there for a minute.

[809] Well beautiful women sell movies.

[810] God damn.

[811] Beautiful people sell movies.

[812] I don't agree with that You come in The Walking Dead No one grows a fucking beard Hell yeah You know Hell yeah Rick, that's it He's the only one Everybody else is shaving Not allowed It doesn't make for a good billboard Is that what it is?

[813] I don't know No one's like hair is growing All fucked up and scraggly Their hair stays the same length For years Same thing as the makeup They make certain concessions To be more glossy Well if you're paying attention This recent season There's a woman in the recent season That always has fucking lipstick on And it perfectly perfectly like clean and press suit there you go this is fucking ridiculous what self -respecting person can accept that in their content come on if you watch movies from back in the day before shit got all glossy you had people that looked like regular people they'd be cast leading role teeth weren't perfect like who give me an example i don't know if you watch old scorsese movies like mean streets and shit like that people had big noses you know i mean don't even need a specific example.

[814] Watch anything from 30 years ago, and it's like, wow, either, but that fucks with people's perception of what now actually is and what they need to do to participate in that whole thing from an appearance standpoint.

[815] It's like, when you put so much emphasis on the superficial stuff, everything else, like Gene Hackman.

[816] Perfect example, right?

[817] Yeah, that's a bad motherfucker.

[818] Bad motherfucker.

[819] Right there you go.

[820] There's many examples of it.

[821] George C. Scott.

[822] There you go.

[823] You know, who came to my when I originally thought of an ugly, like right now, try and think of a straight up ugly and no offense to this individual, but a straight up ugly leading man. Gerard DiPardotot Right, but that's kind of like that's that French thing.

[824] He's gone though, he's gone.

[825] He disappeared.

[826] Not only that, he vanished and he left France.

[827] He doesn't even live in France anymore.

[828] Gerard DiPard de Pardot left his country because of taxes.

[829] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[830] Didn't want to pay.

[831] He drinks like six bottles of wine.

[832] There you go.

[833] stick of butter every twilight you see he's winning that's fine i'm cool with that but as far as like that that uh penetrated my force field for content was uh when steve bushemi got the leading role on uh boardwalk empire right i was like see he's famous though if you break through if you find a way through that's what i mean that's what i'm saying but try and find another dude for a minute like he looks like a creepy dude right he gets he and i'm sure he knows this because he gets cast in those roles all the time so i'm not breaking any news here but for him to have the ability to sort of be the face of an entire piece of like uh the people are better looking on even the zombie shit right now the walking dead even than he was in the gangster they could have cast somebody better looking but they chose him like he looks like a real guy that i would encounter yeah there are a lot of beautiful people on that fucking walking dead show that's what i'm saying the good the pretty girl that has the Asian boyfriend, she just, she never gets scraggly looking.

[834] She always looks well fed. Her outfits, like I saw this outfit.

[835] You gotta remember, I came, I was watch the first season, now I'm just starting again right now.

[836] I'm looking at her outfits.

[837] I mean, it looks like you could, that could be in a magazine right now.

[838] You know, that's sort of like dirty, like look like, uh, she went hiking.

[839] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

[840] Like the sock goes above the boot just a little bit.

[841] You know, it's like, it's way too thought out.

[842] I want to see fucking mayhem.

[843] Well, that's the thing about 28 days.

[844] As opposed to like a television show 28 days later was fucking dark and the monsters the zombies They were so much more terrifying 100%.

[845] It was a much more realistic scenario much closer and I was having this zombie discussion with With some people that I was watching with and we were trying to think about Realistic realistic zombie movies and we couldn't even besides 28 days later and it doesn't even make sense to say realistic because there are no zombies But, I mean, closer to our interpretation of what that might look like.

[846] Well, if we consider the different diseases that exist in nature, the different parasites that take over bodies, the different, I mean, there are some incredible parasite host relationships in nature that are absolutely real.

[847] Yeah.

[848] You know, back to another podcast I was listening to about the patient zero for AIDS.

[849] Oh, yeah, that was radio lab.

[850] Yeah, I listened to that one.

[851] When it made the leap from ape.

[852] Like, the perfect storm.

[853] Well, the crazy thing is that it happened in the early 1900s.

[854] Right.

[855] And it happened.

[856] They used the cut hunter scenario.

[857] So a hunter killed a chimp.

[858] And the chimp had killed two different forms of monkey.

[859] And each one of those monkeys had a different immune deficiency virus.

[860] That's right.

[861] And those viruses combined and made the jump to a person.

[862] Yep.

[863] They were, basically, it required the both of them to be able to replicate in a fashion.

[864] that was that they were capable because the immune system is actually fairly sophisticated in both apes and us that will find find these kinds of issues and wipe them out but this combination of the two of them had all the necessary information to build this super virus yeah but uh when i was listening to that i was like man any first of all why the fuck are people killing and eating apes that's a bad move they've always been doing that i know that's happened forever i know but But you say it's a bad move, but when you're starving, they'll kill and eat anything.

[865] Right.

[866] I don't know.

[867] If you're so that genetically similar, consuming that tissue, that's a, like they think.

[868] Well, it's problematic for sure.

[869] But, I mean, you know that chimps regularly consume monkeys.

[870] They do.

[871] They do.

[872] That's fucking crazy.

[873] Oh, well, it's so crazy.

[874] They prefer the organs.

[875] Yeah.

[876] So they eat the organs first, which means they're eating the monkey alive.

[877] Right.

[878] They grab the monkeys and they eat them organs first.

[879] There's a crazy fucking video of these chimps.

[880] And they set up this very sophisticated hunting strategy where they have chimps that are like running for, that are like pushing these monkeys towards these other chimps.

[881] And then they come in them from the sides too and they capture them in the trees.

[882] And they have this chimp grabbing this monkey, this colbus monkey, and the monkey's screaming.

[883] And the chimp is eating them from the hips first.

[884] Just chewed.

[885] And the monkey just screaming and they're looking at his face.

[886] It's so human -like.

[887] And so is the chimp.

[888] It's really hard to watch.

[889] But that's the harsh reality of the jungle.

[890] You know, there's just, and people live there too, and they've always been shooting monkeys.

[891] There's a new, you listen to that radio lab, you know that there's a new virus that made a jump from a gorilla to a person, a guy who shot and killed a gorilla and has this, there's a new, like, patient zero that they were discussing.

[892] Like, if you wanted to find a patient zero, there's a guy that's infected with an immune deficiency virus that came directly from a gorilla.

[893] What does that tell us, though?

[894] It's not us.

[895] It's them.

[896] I know, but it really freaked me out when I first heard about that.

[897] Like, I remember vividly, when I first found out about chimps, killing other chimps, or killing other monkey, monkeys, things that were really similar to them, to eat for food, whatever like that animal developed as a carnivore or a omnivore right chimps yeah like what what is it what what what where where along the lines did they start eating other animals forever forever forever yeah I mean probably with chimps probably from the moment they became chimps I mean the idea being that animals the I think the current theory is there was climate change and that some form of primates experimented with different food sources.

[898] That's why some primates are still primarily vegetarians, but the more intelligent ones were the ones that started experimenting with me. Yeah, because they had to, for two reasons.

[899] It's also one of the theories that is bandied about when they try to figure out why human brains develop so quickly.

[900] Like the human brain size doubled over a period of two million years.

[901] which is apparently like the greatest mystery in the entire fossil record according to some biologists.

[902] And one of the things they attributed to might be the switch in diet from a strictly...

[903] Not just protein, but resources.

[904] Because in changing from a strictly plant -based diet, your digestive system had to work less hard because it wasn't processing as much cellulose and there was more resources available to think about how to get these monkeys and eat them or how to get these bugs or how to find these rodents or whatever the fuck they were eating and killing.

[905] And then also, the more intelligent animals were more effective.

[906] So the animals that were more clever that figured out how to use tools, they figured out hunting strategies, those are the ones that were more effective in eating meat.

[907] And it was sort of a combination, like a perfect storm.

[908] Like having less resources to deal with processing the cellulose and the plant fiber.

[909] And so the internal organs actually changed and altered over the period of time.

[910] And in having less resources necessary to digest this plant matter, the animal had more resources to grow its brain.

[911] Wow.

[912] You know, it's a lot of weird shit that has to take place from a person to develop.

[913] Development and so on and so forth.

[914] But, yeah, I just, I don't know.

[915] For me, to see them in that kind of environment, to see how savage they could become and to know that that's our closest relative.

[916] Like whenever anybody talks about us sort of transcending our ape -like past and becoming far more intelligent and not fucking killing each other anymore, if you look to your closest relative, they're violent as hell.

[917] That's true, but isn't there like a spectrum when you think about like, okay, there's the people that live in the jungle that eat bush meat, bush meat being, they'll eat anything, they'll eat chimps, they'll eat gorillas.

[918] There's those people that are eating that bush meat.

[919] But then there's also people here in America that are, you know, primarily vegetarian.

[920] And they're concerned with their impact, their carbon footprint.

[921] They're concerned with animal cruelty.

[922] They, you know, they use only, if they have, if they do eat meat, it's organically sourced.

[923] They get free -range chickens for their eggs.

[924] It's like more, more of a movement towards kindness than, for sure, than the monkeys and the chimps that are living that hard, scrabbled jungle.

[925] Oh, there's no doubt.

[926] that we're gentler than that and we're moving more towards it being gentle right in general so i mean that's that's the spectrum right isn't that the spectrum the people that are in the jungle still they're the ones that are still eating the monkeys right very few people go on hunting trips to go get monkeys but that's but don't but that shit's been the source of uh some of the world's most intense diseases sure aids Ebola whatever whatever it is also prions they they carry if you eat chimp brains they carry very similar prions to the prions that like you get from like mad cow disease yeah so it's like i don't know aids where does it they were able to find patient zero but like where does it actually come from you know what i mean it's almost like nature's way of making the most savage amongst us evolve because it kills them off forced forced evolution mean think about what aides is i mean people would say aids is god punishing the that's right well maybe not but maybe it's nature's way of punishing people that eat similar animals to what they are.

[927] And eating intelligent animals that are closely related to you in some strange way is how you develop those diseases.

[928] And one of the big ones is mad cow disease comes from people forcing fucking cows to eat cow brains.

[929] Humans in New Guinea, especially cannibals in New Guinea, have been observed having the exact same symptoms.

[930] It's called Jacobs -Cruitsfeld disease.

[931] And it comes from being a fucking cannibal.

[932] it's like nature's trying to get rid of the people so fucking stupid that they're eating people so so crazy so crazy that genetically speaking that those alterations can take place through particular activity yeah you know what's almost like it's set up it's like nature's set up for you to figure it out if you look at today don't eat each other in this day and age what what we're dealing with in the age of information and the amount of resources that we have today is the highest level of information that's ever been available to human beings as far as we yes 100 best access to information that's ever been available.

[933] And in this day and age, people are generally moving towards a kindler, gentler way of living life.

[934] Yes.

[935] You know, I'm a hunter, and I take a lot of shit from some people that have these idealistic views of animals online, but I understand where they're coming from.

[936] My take on it is, if you understood animals, you would understand that the death by a hunter is probably the cleanest, easiest, safest death than any of these animals could go through.

[937] And these animals are going to die no matter what.

[938] You would also understand that the amount of protein that you can get from one deer or one elk or one moose, like that one animal dies and you could feed a family for a year.

[939] I mean, you shoot a moose.

[940] You could feed a family for a fucking year.

[941] That's real.

[942] I just shot a 900 -pound moose.

[943] I have 400 pounds of meat coming.

[944] That's 4001 pounds sticks How does that work?

[945] I always wanted to ask you that So you shoot the moose There's the meat Like how does it You can't obviously hop on an airplane Well I'm having it shipped I'm having it's very expensive It must be frozen the whole way Yes, it has to be frozen So it's a very difficult A lot of times people just take some of it back And they leave it to the guide Like I have a friend My friend John is a guide up in Alberta And he eats meat, moose meat all year round Because people give it to him But he also gives it to his neighbors.

[946] He gives it.

[947] They never buy meat from a store.

[948] They eat everything that they shoot or that their clients shoot.

[949] He's an outfitter.

[950] So he takes people to these hunting environments.

[951] And, you know, they have massive amounts of meat that come from these animals.

[952] And the animals die like that.

[953] You know, you shoot an animal with a gun, boom.

[954] They fall over.

[955] They don't even know people are there.

[956] And then all of a sudden they're dead.

[957] What does it take to take a moose down?

[958] Big rifle.

[959] Yeah.

[960] Seven millimeter, Remington Ultramag.

[961] Boom.

[962] Where do you hit him?

[963] The lungs.

[964] is the best double lung because you want to eat the heart you don't want to waste any of the organs the hearts are delicious yeah wow you want to eat i'll show you photos yeah you want to eat the heart the heart is delicious the liver's delicious they're very nutritious you don't want to ruin any of the internal organs some people don't eat organs i like them i think they're really good for you and they taste good especially if you prepare them right you always watch on those nature shows where like the lions will go for the organs first you're very nutritious the liver especially the liver dictates what wolf is the alpha male the alpha male gets to eat the liver first.

[965] Really?

[966] Yeah.

[967] Yeah, when wolves take out an animal there was a guy who lived with wolves and he had this weird fucking setup in this nature preserve where he was pretending to be the alpha male and one of the ways he showed dominance is he would have a kill that they would place and he would put a liver inside of it and he would pull the liver out and eat it in front of these wolves and then he would let them eat that was how he established himself And that's some gangster shit right there.

[968] Very gangster and very crazy because this guy wound up having to leave because he had to go and leave the preserve to help this local farmer who was getting his his animals were getting killed by wolves.

[969] So he had to scare them off.

[970] So they set up all these speakers and put these wolf sounds.

[971] And what they basically tried to do was pretend that a larger, much larger, much scarier pack had moved in.

[972] And so they pushed these other wolves off.

[973] and he was gone for like a couple months I believe well when he came back the wolves no longer accepted him as the alpha so he had to beg for his position in the pack and the wolves were snarling at him and the new alpha was going to kill him and so this guy was in like dire danger and he was whimpering and cowering and he had to completely bow down and submit to this animal that was previously allowing him to be the alpha crazy but this wolf in the absence of the alpha this wolf had taken over That hierarchy, that social hierarchy That exists within a pack That's got to be Is that exclusive to wolves first of all?

[974] No, it exists in chimps Chimps as well And exists a lot of alpha male Predatory animals Not even just predatory I mean gorillas aren't predatory at all Gorillas are vegetarians Right, but they'll fight each other Yeah, when you look at a gorilla's teeth Those are for defense Those are for fighting They don't eat anything but vegetables How do they become the biggest Ate?

[975] Crazy.

[976] Crazy.

[977] What was that ape you were talking about on some other podcast?

[978] Bondo Ape.

[979] Bando Ape.

[980] The Beely or Bondo Ape?

[981] It's an enormous chimpanzee.

[982] But not as big as a gorilla.

[983] No, not quite.

[984] Interesting.

[985] But really big.

[986] Nests on the ground like a gorilla.

[987] But there's very few photos, very few videos of them.

[988] They have skulls, though.

[989] They know it's a complete subspecies of the chimpanzee that actually has a crest on its forehead like a gorilla does.

[990] Like a gorilla.

[991] really has like, you know, like, almost like a mohawk crest down the center of his head and the enormous biting muscles.

[992] Hmm.

[993] Yeah.

[994] It's interesting when, like, you have the long -term development of specific traits.

[995] Yeah.

[996] As an identifier.

[997] Like, your body is reacting to the social environment in a physical way, if given enough time.

[998] What kind of makes sense if you think about the variety of humans?

[999] I mean, they're finding, they're always finding, like, new species of humans.

[1000] Like, they found this new human that lived in Russia as recently as 40, thousand years ago complete subspecies like you know there's neanderthal there's homo sapien and there's that the hobbit person they found the island of flores that fucking thing was alive 12 000 years ago it's wild 12000 years ago there was a three foot tall monkey person look look at the variety just of people that exist right now yeah just that you remember uh on a previous podcast you're talking about uh that mma fighter the uh transgender mama fighter and then you also said like african -american females have the same bone density as untrained males like uh men who don't if you lift weights men who lift weights have a higher bone density right then men who don't live weights right african -american females have a very similar bone density to white males who don't lift weights that's crazy crazy yeah and so then you you would assume that african -american males have higher bone density.

[1001] And even thicker, and even higher bone density.

[1002] Bringing up the, bringing up the question of like, because the argument in that particular case was that she had a strategic advantage, right?

[1003] Not just that density.

[1004] There's a mechanical advantage.

[1005] Of course.

[1006] The hip, size of the hand.

[1007] Of course.

[1008] Size of the jaw, the ability to absorb punishment.

[1009] Right.

[1010] It varies.

[1011] But, you know, also the argument could be made across the board.

[1012] I mean, there are some men that are way more feminine.

[1013] And if they transition to a transgender woman, they would be way closer to a biological woman than if, say, like, Mark Hunt, transition to being a female.

[1014] I mean, that's a tough cell.

[1015] You know, take Brock Lesnar and turn him into a transgender person.

[1016] Like, you've got a fucking tough cell.

[1017] It's very problematic whenever you're dealing with changing nature and trying to balance things out.

[1018] That's the argument against testosterone replacement therapy.

[1019] Testosterone replacement therapy was erroneously allowed.

[1020] And then they realized, like, well, what the fuck are we doing?

[1021] We're allowing guys essentially to take steroids.

[1022] The idea being that some people were unfair, it was an unfair disadvantage because they didn't have as much testosterone.

[1023] So you allow them to take it.

[1024] But then guys were taking, like, fucking alien levels of testosterone.

[1025] I mean, they had one guy test at, the average person has between 300 and 600, like for a really young, healthy man, mm -hmm, milligrams to nanogram, whatever the fuck that.

[1026] Right.

[1027] But whatever the measurement is.

[1028] but this guy had 1475 they you know and he was on the testosterone placement like okay you fuck you know like ruin it for everybody just ruined it for everybody you're juicing you're taking steroids and that's you know it's like some people have naturally high levels yeah so but there's also some people that have naturally low levels and the argument is some people are more athletically inclined and there's some people that are just they're just whatever they do they're going to have this ectomorphic like pudgy body so for a long period of time presumably fighters were fighting with testosterone no problem well they it wasn't even it wasn't a thing that was restricted right adding it it was always restricted oh it was yes always yes well before they were being tested this is the this is primarily speculations but based on a lot of evidence from fighters from first account first hand accounts of guys who actually did this A giant percentage of MMA fighters in the early days were on steroids.

[1029] A giant percentage.

[1030] Like a huge percentage.

[1031] 90.

[1032] Something crazy.

[1033] Okay, let's say, even if it's 60, that's crazy.

[1034] Right, right, right.

[1035] And then they started doing urine tests.

[1036] And urine tests are essentially an intelligence test.

[1037] All you have to do is cycle off by the time you weigh in on, you know, fight day.

[1038] Yes.

[1039] Or after your fight.

[1040] and as long as you've cycled off, you have all the benefits of taking testosterone or whatever the fuck you're taking and none of it shows up in the urine test.

[1041] Then people got caught even during urine tests.

[1042] And they're like, oh, okay, well, you fucking dummies.

[1043] You have made us want to look deeper into this thing.

[1044] And then they started doing random tests on people and then they started catching a lot of people.

[1045] And then they said, okay, what we need to do is do really heavy -duty, comprehensive blood tests.

[1046] And that's what the UFC has started doing fairly recently.

[1047] The problem is they're really expensive.

[1048] They're doing that to comply with what?

[1049] Not with anything.

[1050] No one's asking them to do it.

[1051] They're doing it because they want to clean up the sport because the sport is a huge image issue and also from a safety perspective.

[1052] A person who's on testosterone, say if you and another guy who are of the same age or the same body type, your same weight, and you decide to fight, but your opponent is taking all sorts of performance -enhancing drugs, it's conceivably possible and very likely that he'll be able to hit you more then you'll be able to hit him.

[1053] He'll have more endurance.

[1054] He'll be able to do more damage to you.

[1055] Not always.

[1056] There's a lot of people that have been on steroids that have lost.

[1057] So even though they had an unfair advantage, they didn't have the skill level of their opponents, so they've lost.

[1058] So here's a question for you.

[1059] Then, in that scenario, what if both are on testosterone?

[1060] Yeah, but then you're requiring people essentially to compete at a fair level.

[1061] You're requiring them to take something that's going to fuck up their endocrine system.

[1062] Because if you take testosterone, and you don't need it.

[1063] If you're a person like, you know, your ball gets shot off in the war, you know, and, you know, you're not producing it.

[1064] I mean, that's pretty specific.

[1065] I don't know why I said that.

[1066] Okay, you know, you, for whatever reason, and you, you are allowed to take a hormone.

[1067] That's one thing.

[1068] But if you're a person like you, who's young and healthy, and you just choose to do it to give yourself an advantage, and then you force your opponent to do it, to give him an advantage.

[1069] You know, he has to do it in order to keep up with you, the issue is his body doesn't need like extra testosterone he's adding it to it so your body's confused even though it's a performance enhancing substance your body's confused as to why the levels are so high so your body stops producing natural endogenous testosterone that becomes a problem and that's how they got around these tests for the longest time because they said my client needs testosterone why look at his blood tests and the blood tests showed a very low level of testosterone what they didn't show is the real level of testosterone what they didn't show is the reason why it was low is because he was taking extra testosterone and it forced his endocrine system to freak out the endocrine system of the guy who's getting 1475 is like we don't need to make fucking testosterone right we got plenty yeah but see the argument being I obviously I've heard it mostly applied to baseball it seems like baseball was the big issue they had guys in the courtroom right whatever it was and then there was this counter argument which which was like well don't you want to see home runs see but that's different in an MMA.

[1070] MMA is you're dealing with a sport that's primary objective is to damage your opponent.

[1071] Right.

[1072] And if you can give someone that lets them damage their opponent better, more efficiently, you're essentially allowing them to create a crime.

[1073] I mean, that's been the argument by people who are clean, you know, athletes who don't take it.

[1074] Like, you're, it's like assault.

[1075] Like, what you're doing is like you're hitting them more than you should be able to.

[1076] You're cheating.

[1077] And in cheating, you're causing.

[1078] damage to your opponent and you should be perhaps responsible for that damage that you cause to your opponent wow do you agree with that yeah it's a very good argument it's a mean it's a logical argument it's like many things in life like the transgender argument it's not a gray it's not a black and white issue yeah you know i've always said that i'm in favor of men fighting women if the woman wants to fight a man get out if i'm in favor of people riding bulls i'm in favor of people you know you want to wrestle a bear i'm not stopping you right if you're a grown adult with a functional mind and you understand the risks and you want to do whatever the fuck you want to do yeah i'm you want to do it you go right ahead i don't have any problem with it but there's a you know you're at a disadvantage right if a woman wants to fight a man there's no doubt about it she's at a physical disadvantage doesn't mean that a woman can't beat a man it is possible it's most certainly possible that a woman who's highly skilled could beat a man that's the same size as her yeah but it's also possible she get knocked the fuck out you know that's possible too and there was a woman named Lucia Riker who's a famous MMA fighter Or a kickboxer rather Would you watch it?

[1079] I'd watch everything dude I couldn't say I wouldn't watch it I watch everything You would watch let's say Ronda Rousey Fight a man Yes I would most certainly watch Skilled an actual dude from the same weight class Look I don't think she would fare well But if she wanted to do it And it was going to be on television I'll probably watch it I'm gonna be honest Wow Yeah I mean it's what am I gonna do I'm not watch it I don't know I don't know I would encourage it.

[1080] If she called me up and said, hey, what should I do?

[1081] I'd say, don't do it.

[1082] I agree with you that it would be a tough, a tough one for her, right?

[1083] So because of that, I feel like I could already predict the outcome, and I wouldn't want to see that.

[1084] Maybe.

[1085] Maybe she arm bars the fuck out of that, dude.

[1086] Right.

[1087] That's possible, too.

[1088] Right, but it's a dangerous maybe.

[1089] Well, think about the early UFCs.

[1090] When Hoyce Gracie fought chemo, for instance, chemo was far stronger, far larger, far more powerful his ability to deliver strikes and Hoyce was.

[1091] But Hoyce got him.

[1092] He fucking had a war.

[1093] He duked in it, but his greater skill level prevailed.

[1094] And that was the essence of what the UFC, what made the UFC so special.

[1095] It was completely unfair.

[1096] He had one, you know, quote unquote, professional fighters.

[1097] To the word professional was a very loose term.

[1098] Some technique.

[1099] I mean, Kimo most certainly eventually became a legit professional fighter.

[1100] No doubt about it.

[1101] But back in the day, he was a martial artist who was competing in the UFC.

[1102] He was like 200 fucking 60 pounds and hoist was 175.

[1103] I mean, chemo was jacked.

[1104] I mean, just jacked He came in carrying a fucking giant wooden cross on his back.

[1105] I mean, the whole thing was craziness.

[1106] So without a doubt, he had physical advantages over hoist, but hoist's skill level allowed him to prevail.

[1107] Right.

[1108] So if that's legal, why wouldn't they be legal for Rhonda to fight a man who is her same weight?

[1109] Well, I guess there's a difference between, like, legal, obviously, I don't think it should be illegal, but I guess I've just, personally, I feel like I could fairly accurately predict the outcome and then not want to see that outcome.

[1110] Well, it all depends on skill level.

[1111] So, like, let's take a, for instance, let's take a middle -of -the -road MMA fighter that fights at 155 pounds and make him fight Kane Velasquez.

[1112] He's going to get fucking steamrolled.

[1113] but let's take Hickson Gracie when he was in his prime and make him fight a guy who's the same size as Kane but doesn't know what the fuck he's doing he did that before he when Hickson was like 19 he fought this guy Zulu who was this enormous fucking super muscular dude that Hickson fought in Brazil and Hickson beat his ass twice he got his back and strangled him right he weathered the storm had this fucking giant guy smashing him and jumping all over him but he eventually used a skill level to defeat him them.

[1114] So it's skill level is relative.

[1115] Yeah.

[1116] It's a huge issue in the contest.

[1117] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1118] Physical.

[1119] You got to have the combination.

[1120] Right.

[1121] For sure.

[1122] Right.

[1123] I guess I just, it's, it's interesting because they put, I was looking at the, what is it, pound for pound thing, and they put Rhonda Rousey on the pound, on the pound for pound thing.

[1124] What does she fight at 135?

[1125] Yes.

[1126] Yeah.

[1127] And so, you know, I don't know, that's, I guess that's what stood out to me. Like, it doesn't even, I don't know, to me, it didn't make sense.

[1128] Well, women's M .A. She's number of one.

[1129] Oh, I know, hands down, for sure.

[1130] But she was in the list with the dudes.

[1131] Yeah, see, that's tricky.

[1132] It's tricky.

[1133] I mean, it's very subjective.

[1134] The pound for pound list is very subjective.

[1135] My opinion is Mighty Mouse Johnson's the best.

[1136] He fights at 125.

[1137] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1138] When I look at, like, technically, what he's able to do, I don't think there's anybody like him in MMA.

[1139] He does everything perfect.

[1140] But a lot of people don't think of him as number one, because he fights at 125 pounds.

[1141] He's a small guy.

[1142] And, you know, they look at, like, John Jones, who's also elite.

[1143] I mean, so good.

[1144] But he's 205.

[1145] So you think of John Jones being the number one guy because he's knocking guys out and submitting guys.

[1146] But Demetrius is doing things perfect.

[1147] Yeah, like if you've scaled up Demetrius.

[1148] Oh, my God.

[1149] If you made Demetrius, if he can move the way he moves and he'd be 250 pounds, he would be the greatest fighter of the world's ever known.

[1150] Right.

[1151] But some of its relative, too.

[1152] Right.

[1153] Because is he facing the same competition?

[1154] No, he's not.

[1155] And he's also not facing the same.

[1156] same amount of dangers.

[1157] The amount of people that get knocked out in the flyweight division is relatively small in comparison to the number of people to get knocked out in the heavyweight division.

[1158] He's holding on to a few extra brain cells.

[1159] Yeah, there's a point of diminishing returns when it comes to the ability to deliver power.

[1160] When you think about what a 250 pound man can deliver and how much a 250 pound man can take.

[1161] Yes.

[1162] As opposed to what a 125 pound man can deliver and what 125 pound man can take.

[1163] Yeah.

[1164] It's like at heavyweight man, when guys land big shots, even the best guys go down.

[1165] Even Kane.

[1166] Kane got clipped by one punch by Junior DeSanto and his legs went out and he went unconscious, at least briefly.

[1167] That's just the reality of heavyweight fights.

[1168] It's one of the reasons why heavy weights are so exciting.

[1169] That's because they can end a fight with one punch.

[1170] And that can happen at 205 and that can happen at 178.

[1171] It's even happened at 125.

[1172] I mean, Demetrius Johnson knocked out Joseph Benavides, who's one of the best in the world period in any weight class with one punch.

[1173] He just caught him perfect and knocked him out.

[1174] whole the whole knockout thing like it seems like there's it seems like ufc's changed a lot right in what way well i don't know i feel like i watched a card the other night i think it was the most finishes in the history of cards that was sydney yeah australia yeah that happens that happens sometimes i don't i don't have the statistics are are more finishes happening in general right now well they're they're rewarded for finishes so people are encouraged to uh Get performance of the night bonuses.

[1175] You can be very financially beneficial to them.

[1176] But you'll also have a card where every fight goes to decision.

[1177] You'll also have a card where every fight goes to submission, which is much rare, but can happen.

[1178] Yeah.

[1179] I guess it's just...

[1180] Conceivably, at least.

[1181] Yeah.

[1182] I guess it's just like it almost feels like a guy's career is tied into his ability to knock out, maybe more so than being a well -rounded fighter.

[1183] Well, like guys who are exciting get more fights than guys who may be more skilled.

[1184] I don't know about all that.

[1185] I mean, kind of, but ultimately the cream rises to the top.

[1186] The best guys.

[1187] The full package?

[1188] Yeah, the best guys win.

[1189] I mean, like, say a guy like Rory McDonald, who was on the podcast yesterday.

[1190] Oh, cool.

[1191] Rory is not a guy who, like, chases a knockout, but he's knocked a bunch of guys out.

[1192] But he's just super skilled and technical, and he's undeniable.

[1193] I mean, he's one of the top contenders, and eventually he's going to get a shot at the title.

[1194] Yeah, but I heard him on an MMA podcast, and even he said that his, most recent knockout was what he needed to cement the title shot.

[1195] Well, it was a big win too.

[1196] He fought Terrick Safedian who's a former Strike Force Walthaway champion and destroyed him.

[1197] Just beat his ass.

[1198] So it was a definitive exciting victory.

[1199] That's what I mean.

[1200] That's what I mean is it's a better story.

[1201] Travels farther.

[1202] What sells.

[1203] You know, it's a lot of it what sells.

[1204] Like there's so many guys in that division Matt Brown, Robbie Lawler, Hector Lombart, and these guys are fucking ferocious.

[1205] There's so many ferocious guys in that division.

[1206] It's You got to sell yourself.

[1207] So you would say you climb the ladder faster if you're knocking guys out.

[1208] Well, if you're exciting.

[1209] But it could be submissions.

[1210] You know, Damien Maya climbed the ladder fast by submitting people.

[1211] It really depends entirely on what the route it is.

[1212] And also, like, who you beat.

[1213] You know, if you go in there and you beat a guy who's not that good, but you knock them out, that's not as impressive as if you go in there and you knock out Anderson Silva.

[1214] Yeah, it's just...

[1215] Do you think that McGregor deserves the hype?

[1216] Everybody deserves what they get.

[1217] So yes.

[1218] Everybody deserves what they get.

[1219] Whether or not he's the best in the world, that's to be determined.

[1220] But he gets people excited.

[1221] And that's a big part of what the sport is about.

[1222] When we were talking early about charisma and teachers, like teachers having the ability to be excited about the subject matter and it makes people drawn to them.

[1223] Well, in MMA, the ability to get people excited about watching you fight is it's an aspect of fighting.

[1224] It's a variable.

[1225] And, you know, to say that Connor doesn't get.

[1226] Why do you let them talk then?

[1227] How about we never let fighters talk?

[1228] You know, how about we never do post -fight interviews?

[1229] It's obviously a part of the entertainment package of you want to follow a guy, you want to know who he is.

[1230] And then there's some guys like John Jones is a perfect example.

[1231] John Jones is spectacularly talented, but people don't like him for some reason.

[1232] And I've speculated that some of it might be racism because he's this young, cocky black guy.

[1233] But there's a lot of people that disagree with me and say, no, like they think he's fake.

[1234] They think his personality sucks.

[1235] Or they think that, you know, he does too many stupid shit, stupid things that are contrary to this Christian image that he's trying to sell.

[1236] Yeah.

[1237] And there's a lot of variables.

[1238] But the reality is, Connor McGregor puts more asses and seats than the number one pound for pound fighter in the world.

[1239] Yeah.

[1240] That's fucking crazy.

[1241] Yep.

[1242] John Jones is beating fucking everybody, man. He beat Ryan Bader.

[1243] He put Leotomichita, Leotamachita asleep.

[1244] He beat Gustafson in a fucking unbelievable war of attrition.

[1245] I mean, he's beating everybody they put in front of him.

[1246] He submitted Vitor Belford.

[1247] You can go on and all.

[1248] on and on.

[1249] His list of accomplishments have been spectacular.

[1250] Connor knocked out Dustin Poirier.

[1251] That's his best fight.

[1252] You know, knock out Diego Brando.

[1253] You know what I mean?

[1254] I know.

[1255] Good fighters, but they're not, it's not Jose Aldo.

[1256] He's not destroying Jose Aldo in the first round.

[1257] So it's like, what is it about it?

[1258] Do you fear that if it moves too far in that direction, that it becomes more of a show and less of a contest?

[1259] No, because there's always a guy like Kane Velasquez.

[1260] Kane Velasquez doesn't talk much, beats everybody's ass.

[1261] Right.

[1262] So you can still beat your way to the top.

[1263] Yeah.

[1264] If Connor McGregor, you know, wasn't skilled, he wouldn't be getting as much hype.

[1265] Part of what is hyped about him is that he's the perfect combination of things.

[1266] He's an intelligent trash talker who's also highly skilled.

[1267] And his results have been pretty goddamn oppressive.

[1268] Yeah.

[1269] Whereas Kane, Kane is huge just because he's awesome.

[1270] I mean, do you even, I mean, no one can even recall one thing that he said that's been, like, captivated.

[1271] But when he beats your ass for five rounds This fucking unbelievable storm Of punches and kicks and knees And takedowns and this never -ending gas tank That's what makes Kane special What makes him special is his fucking skill level, period End of the sky Same with Mark Hunt.

[1272] No one's getting all fired up about Hunt's personality And interviews, you know I mean, he feels awkward on camera But man, when he fucking launches a left hook And shatters dudes jaws and sends him flying That's what people get excited about.

[1273] That works too.

[1274] I guess it's just, I guess it's just interesting that how the whole social media structure has in every facet increased the importance of your public behavior.

[1275] Once upon a time, athletes, that was just not even something they had to consider.

[1276] Right.

[1277] You know, and now you're not just training at the gym.

[1278] You're training with the PR person who's trying to help you get the most out of every tweet.

[1279] Well, it's also the difference between a person, like who the person actually is and their public persona, that's eroded.

[1280] Right.

[1281] You get to know who they really are.

[1282] Like, if you've, if someone makes some, like, really offensive or really ignorant tweets and they put it on, like, you go, oh, well, that guy has these thoughts.

[1283] You know, like, the guy from Orange is the new black.

[1284] What is his name?

[1285] Jason Silva.

[1286] Is that his name?

[1287] The guy from.

[1288] Oh, Silverman.

[1289] Silverman.

[1290] Yeah.

[1291] Like, I read this.

[1292] article saying that he was ruining the show for them because his tweets are so stupid and uh i i was reading his i love that headline they they are really dumb his tweets are real wow they are really they are really dumb his tweets but it's fascinating what way like it's just that stupid shit it's like we can pull them on but no no i don't know i just is he offending people it's not very bright wow they're they're they're goofy all right ignorant kind of tweets okay me maybe he's not maybe he's not just not put a lot of effort into it.

[1293] Maybe it's just, you know, sometimes people tweet shit and they just write it down and you don't expect it to be like scrutinized and there's that possibility to, you know, or maybe he's not aware of how goofy, 140 characters comes off.

[1294] So did they ask him to stop tweeting?

[1295] I don't know, but I know there was a guy in ESPN that actually, there was a story that I tweeted the other day that he got suspended off Twitter because he was arguing about evolution, arguing for evolution, with some other base.

[1296] baseball player and ESPN denied that that was the reason why he got removed, but what the fuck else could it have been?

[1297] He was arguing with this former athlete who's like nuts, who believes the earth's 10 ,000 years old, one of those motherfuckers.

[1298] Right.

[1299] And he got suspended.

[1300] Like, the fact that ESPN can suspend you from Twitter, and ESPN says it has nothing to do with that.

[1301] Well, then you tell us what the fuck it has to do with because none of the shit that he said was offensive.

[1302] He was talking with no swears, no insults, talking about science, and how important science was talking about transitionary fossils, talking about the reality of evolution, this is the evidence, and they suspended him from Twitter.

[1303] So what else would cause them to suspend him from Twitter?

[1304] What the fuck could you do outside of tweeting that would cause you to be suspended from Twitter?

[1305] And how the fuck does ESPN suspend a guy from Twitter?

[1306] Not a part of their marketing plan Well, you know, they're saying that they own you Yes They own your thoughts They own your ability to express yourself Yes Do you There is a connection between the sports fan and religion though How many thank gods coming out After a fighter wins or someone wins a Super Bowl Maybe but this guy was pretty clear about Who he wasn't saying that there was no God Oh He wasn't saying he wasn't anti -religion All he was saying was It was pro -science.

[1307] Those that disagree with the concept of evolution or whoever it was he was arguing with, that's still a large percentage of the public.

[1308] If that's really what they're going for.

[1309] No, no, I'm obviously...

[1310] I mean, obviously you're not.

[1311] No, yeah, yeah.

[1312] I know how you are, but, I mean, God damn, at ESPN.

[1313] Right.

[1314] Jesus fucking Christ.

[1315] I mean, that's just, like, how many times does it have to be explained over and over and over?

[1316] How many biologists have to come on board?

[1317] How many times does evolution have to be explained?

[1318] Well, I don't know that they need to believe it.

[1319] I think that they're just...

[1320] more worried about satisfying the audience, a segment of the audience that they might have.

[1321] What the fuck ever.

[1322] It's just so depressing that a sports network could actually have issue with a guy who's talking about facts.

[1323] I agree with you.

[1324] And beyond that, it's his Twitter account.

[1325] Exactly.

[1326] But it's not.

[1327] If you, if you, I mean, it is his Twitter account.

[1328] But if you work for ESPN, it's not your Twitter.

[1329] You're their bitch.

[1330] You're their bitch.

[1331] That's, that's a common thing.

[1332] they tweet for people that are on television shows when I was doing a show they asked me they wanted to take over my social media get the fuck out of you yes they did and I told them to go fuck themselves I go you have your fucking mind who even asks you that dude I won't say no no not a name but like this is a company that I was working for a network that I was working for that wanted to take over my they wanted to tweet for me and I said you can go fuck you can't tweet for me if you read a tweet is the only time the tweet's not from me is when it's an auto upload of a YouTube video when it says uploaded blah blah blah blah blah that's not coming from my fingers on the keyboard but it's coming directly from someone who works for me who's only tweeting something through uh automatic upload there's a little check box exactly yes tweet this yeah exactly and just to let everybody know that videos getting uploaded it's not opinions it's not facts it's not you know interesting articles or stories that i find fascinating it exposes though it exposes the whole uh deficiency of that traditional medium how they can just sort of dangle it you know what i mean how compliance is such a huge part of it well you know what happened with uh joan rivers right oh shit the endorsement yes after she was dead yes there was an iphone endorsement that's creepy like what the fuck is that all about very very creepy how disgusting i saw that come up ew so that's one of those things we don't realize You don't realize Bad look for Apple I've been accused of that I you know there's a thing called UFC Fight Pass That allows you to watch fights I love it too And I was using it I'm like man Fight Pass is fucking awesome I love this thing And I tweeted it because it was And people are like you chill How much they pay you for that Like zero They didn't pay me zero Right You can't like anything Well I can't like anything It's UFC related Yes Yes Which is weird What's good This is what's good Yeah yeah Because people are They're questioning up They're questioning things They're not just accepting things for face value.

[1333] They're assuming that some fuckery is around.

[1334] And even though they're wrong in some circumstances, I like the fact that they're scrutinizing things.

[1335] But it's a bad investment for you.

[1336] For me personally?

[1337] But not really because I can talk about it.

[1338] Oh, no, no, no. I'm not.

[1339] It's a bad investment for you.

[1340] What did I mean to say by that?

[1341] Like, you can go out there and talk about something that you like.

[1342] Right.

[1343] But the second that somebody can point out that maybe you are influenced in some way, that they have a case, right?

[1344] Right.

[1345] And but if you allow that to happen, right?

[1346] If you allow them to respond, like, do you respond back to them?

[1347] No. No. But on here, maybe.

[1348] Yeah, I mean, I'm saying it right now.

[1349] Yeah.

[1350] I mean, on Twitter.

[1351] If I did that all day, that's the people that I'd be responding to and that would make people gravitate towards criticizing me so that I would respond to them.

[1352] I mean, that's the trolling trap, right?

[1353] They criticize you So they get you to try to react to them And they go, hi, you reacted, I won I mean, that's what it is The game It's, well, it's, and there's Legitimate criticism That's interesting, you know, that like, you got to take into consideration There's people that have a perspective That maybe, even if you don't agree with, You can see their point of view And maybe adjust with you What you're projecting So that you're more clear With your original intention Or your actual intention There's people that get things wrong They, you know, and it's also a fucking especially when it comes to Twitter, it's 140 characters, and it's typing, you're missing inflection, social cues, yeah.

[1354] Yeah, there's so much that's missing.

[1355] Context, there's so much that's missing.

[1356] It's such an, that's one of the issues that I have with blogs.

[1357] Like, you can write a bunch of really harsh shit in a blog, but while you're typing things out, like a conversation is a real way to communicate things.

[1358] and when you're typing things you can, you know, you're missing all sorts of social cues and context you're missing who is that person that's writing that.

[1359] I want to see your fucking stupid face when you're writing this or when you're saying this.

[1360] I want to see someone challenge you on it and see what your response to the challenge is so I know who you are as a human and I know whether or not to take your ideas into consideration.

[1361] So then what's the consequence of people communicating less this way and more through their thumbs?

[1362] A lot of confusion for sure there's there's and also the ability for individuals to draw the conclusions that reinforce what they already think yes which is a problem it's definitely a problem and it allows people to have careers that are social retards you know allows them to express themselves in this really distorted way and basing it on their preconceived notions of what this person is and this is the result i would like to draw so i will write a you know fucking thousand words on this Yes.

[1363] The internet has allowed for individuals to hide in a way that they were never capable of before.

[1364] You just get around a group of like -minded individuals and jerk each other off all day long and you're gold.

[1365] Yes.

[1366] Well, there's a really interesting article that I was reading about this guy who was a part of this skeptic community and he disagreed with these other people in the skeptic community and this woman who's in this community had written some blog criticizing him.

[1367] and he said that he was going to be at this certain conference he would love to discuss it with her and she wrote do not approach me at this conference do not say and he was like you wrote 14 different blogs mentioning me and i can't even say hi to you and then another man said i am also going to be this conference and talk to me i will have the conference organizers alerted but it's like you're a you're a social retard and you're admitting your social retard because you're willing to communicate about this person you're willing to you know call them out or you know uh fucking publicly shame them or whatever you're trying to do with your written words right but as far as like actually communicating like human beings were naturally doing before the internet you don't want any part of that right like you want to be able to criticize them but not communicate you want to have more control over the discourse than you should be allowed well you also want to define reality you don't you don't want reality to find you don't want that person to be in front of you and go i never said that like that's not what i mean you know that's not what I mean.

[1368] What you're doing is reinforcing your own narrative by distorting reality.

[1369] Social anxiety.

[1370] Uh, high school all over again.

[1371] You know, I mean, that's what they're trying to avoid.

[1372] They're trying to avoid confrontation by creating confrontation in a literal way.

[1373] In a way where, you know, in a written word way, an insulated way.

[1374] And then they put it on a blog, preach to the choir.

[1375] Anybody who disagrees, ban them.

[1376] Anybody who disagrees in the comment section, ban them and create this fucking echo chamber.

[1377] And it's so...

[1378] healthy and that's i mean that's a lot of progressive thinking today they'll call it progressive but it's like so closed off to any alternative points of view yeah you know i mean it's a progressive conservatism right it's like it's like a religion yeah in a lot of ways it's it's in a lot of ways it's more restrictive yeah alternative and also very unkind you know one of the things about like a lot of progressive culture today is this call -out mentality and this you know Yeah, I know.

[1379] Ability to shame.

[1380] I got something coming up, a video that I'm doing for charity this holiday season.

[1381] It's for UNICEF.

[1382] I don't know if I'm allowed to talk about it, but whatever.

[1383] Too late.

[1384] I already did.

[1385] And they approach me in there like, listen, you know, this time of year, you're going to be showing off all the latest and greatest cool stuff for people to buy.

[1386] Would you be willing to unbox our survival box?

[1387] They have a survival box, which is like fun.

[1388] things that can help people survive in shitty parts of the world anyway and immediately after I said yes to do it I thought oh fuck as UNICEF fucked anybody over right you know like what did I just open myself up to right because there's this concern that like through association even if my intentions were the best that to the right person I may have just added just the right amount of fuel for them to build an identity around my decision that's so true right you have to be really careful when you attach yourself to any organization very very careful then now i'm reading the wikipedia on unicef and turns out that they collect uh in terms of revenue like like billions like they're huge but on the positive side a way to evaluate a charity is to see how much money actually makes it to the people that you're supposed to be helping as opposed to like the administration, the salaries of the people that work there, and 92 % gets out to people.

[1389] That's incredible.

[1390] Which is pretty good.

[1391] That's incredible.

[1392] I mean, that's probably the best I've ever heard.

[1393] Is it?

[1394] I don't think I've ever recall, I don't recall anybody getting that much.

[1395] I've heard of horrible scenarios.

[1396] Yeah, where zero.

[1397] Or like 80%.

[1398] 80 % goes to administrative costs, 20 % goes to chair.

[1399] And that's like common.

[1400] That's fairly common.

[1401] And they'll say, well, there's no other way, you know.

[1402] There's no other way around it.

[1403] There's some pretty big offenders.

[1404] Sketchy charities out there.

[1405] Yeah, if you Google the percentage of money that actually goes to charity, there's some pretty harrowing numbers.

[1406] We've talked about it on the podcast before and listed all the different ones.

[1407] Some of them are just disgusting.

[1408] There's a lot of fake fucking charities and people get involved in.

[1409] I'm like, do you remember when Wyclef Jeanne was running for fucking president of Haiti?

[1410] No. Yeah.

[1411] That's like one of the big criticism.

[1412] was that how much of the money was going, like, that he was trying to generate for his...

[1413] Campaign?

[1414] Well, he was trying to benefit Haiti after Haiti got hit by that big earthquake.

[1415] Okay.

[1416] And they found out that, like, a very small percentage of the money was actually going to Haiti.

[1417] How could that not be illegal?

[1418] I don't know, man. I don't think there's actually, like, a legal number.

[1419] So you can start a charity for a particular cause, have no interest in servicing that cause, keep all the money for yourself and call it salary?

[1420] Yeah.

[1421] Yeah.

[1422] Yeah.

[1423] Like, that's a huge fucking problem, right?

[1424] Yes, it should be.

[1425] But I think you can get away with some shit, man. Apparently.

[1426] Yeah, that seems to be the case.

[1427] Yeah, Quake Gaines Little.

[1428] Why Cliff can be found at hip -hop artists, what was I saying?

[1429] Quake, in Haiti, Little can be found of a hip -hop artist charity.

[1430] and there's he was claiming that he endured a crucifixion after the earthquake when he faced questions about his charity's financial record and the ability to handle what eventually amounted to $16 million in donations that's so dark man yeah I don't know like how much actually went where or what obviously I don't know he could be swindled by some dude that he was attached to who ended up misusing the funds Yeah, it's possible, but somebody in that chain of command is a dark human being.

[1431] This is what it says.

[1432] The forensic audit examined $3 million of the charities, 2005 to 2009 expenses, and found $256 ,580 in illegitimate benefits to Mr. Jean and other Yale, board, and staff members, as well as improper or potentially improper transactions.

[1433] These included $24 ,000 for Mr. Jean's chauffeur services and $30 ,000 for a private jet that transported Lindsay Lohan from New Jersey to a benefit in Chicago that raised only $66 ,000.

[1434] So 50 % of the money that the benefit raised went to Lindsay Lohan's jet.

[1435] Yeah, I don't know.

[1436] The audit considered it appropriate, though, for the charity to pay Mr. Jean.

[1437] $100 ,000 to perform at a fundraiser in Monaco because that was his market rate.

[1438] So he did a fundraiser, and during the fundraiser that he organized, he got $100 ,000.

[1439] He had himself paid $100 ,000 for a fucking fundraiser.

[1440] Well, I'd like to be clear about this upcoming UNICEF video.

[1441] They did offer me money to do it, and I said, hell no. How about that?

[1442] It also found acceptable for this Yale, I guess, what it is?

[1443] the name of the benefit, to spend $125 ,114 on travel and other matters related to a 60 minutes report on Wyclef's mission to help the people of Haiti and his personal success story.

[1444] What?

[1445] So what's the fallout for this?

[1446] People think he's a piece of shit.

[1447] Right.

[1448] That's probably it.

[1449] I didn't even know about it.

[1450] Yeah.

[1451] Yeah.

[1452] I don't, you know, I don't know, man. It's like, I mean, if he generates all this money and more money goes to the charity, then would have gone to the charity without him doing it.

[1453] Is that a benefit?

[1454] Is that an inappropriate thing?

[1455] It's...

[1456] I don't know.

[1457] I think him getting paid $100 grand to do a fucking show when he's doing a charity.

[1458] I mean, I've done fundraisers.

[1459] You know what I get paid?

[1460] Zero.

[1461] I thought that was the whole idea.

[1462] Yeah.

[1463] Every time I've done a fundraiser, I've gotten paid zero money.

[1464] Yes.

[1465] He got $100 grand doing a fundraiser.

[1466] That alone is fucking bullshit, you know?

[1467] Yeah.

[1468] That's bullshit.

[1469] But that plays up the whole thing we were talking about earlier about how people want to attack.

[1470] themselves to something and because of that it's easy to pray on those individuals I'm doing a charity I help the poor don't you want a piece of that doesn't your that doesn't your psyche require that that great feeling that comes through donation yeah definitely definitely but the problem is with things like this I think people are fools if they don't know that that's going to get out oh you mean in his case yeah yeah you have to be a fool to not know that someone's going to find out you spent 30 grand on a fucking private jet to fly lindsay Lohan to do a benefit like what how what what Lindsay Lohan huh I'm confused you're not flying Nelson Mandela somewhere all right like what what kind of an impact is Lindsay Lohan a young pretty actress girl gonna have on your fucking charity for Haiti right you're telling me that money wouldn't have been better spent on Haiti itself like that seems crazy yeah this is one of the benefits of the distribution of information and things opening up is like once upon a time if some charity's asking you for money you have you literally there's no way to even look for that information to figure out where that money's going.

[1471] So it's going to be, it's obviously harder now to hide those operations.

[1472] Oh, yeah.

[1473] Could you imagine what it would been like just decades ago just to audit an organization that's a charitable organization?

[1474] I mean, how many charitable organizations over the years have been total frauds, just bilking money from people?

[1475] Cash too.

[1476] Is there a standard number?

[1477] I mean, do you have to have a certain percentage that is like dedicated towards the charity Me personally, just from like a logic perspective If it would seem it would have to be half No?

[1478] Am I crazy?

[1479] Does that seem reasonable?

[1480] Yeah, well, even that, I mean, you think of UNICEF Unicef is fucking rocking with 98%.

[1481] 92.

[1482] 90%.

[1483] That's amazing.

[1484] The crazy thing is, though, I still did the math on it And they're so huge That that remaining 8 % is still a big number.

[1485] the worst uh there's a thing on uh america's worst charities america's 50 worst charities rake in nearly one billion for corporate fundraiser this is very fitting this time of year because these these vultures these vampires they're out right now yeah this is when they're coming after you above the law america's worst charities kids wish network uh millions of dollars they only give up it's three cents on the dollar to helping kids that's incredible what the children's wish foundation Wish Networks.

[1486] Oh, okay.

[1487] They're like a rip -off of the...

[1488] In 2010, they hired the crisis management woman.

[1489] I'm not going to give her name, but did the BP spill that helped them.

[1490] Perfect.

[1491] Disgusting.

[1492] It's just, you know, there's so many vultures out there, and then there's so many people that they want to make a lot of money being involved in charities.

[1493] They're like, you know, I'm a CEO of a charity.

[1494] I should be making what a CEO of a corporation would be making.

[1495] I'm like, well, that's like, that's counterintuitive.

[1496] That's, that goes against what everybody thinks of when they think of charities.

[1497] Right.

[1498] I think of you doing it for charity.

[1499] Like, you're doing it, this is like, you're doing it to help.

[1500] How do you feel about charity in general?

[1501] It's a great thing.

[1502] If it's real, it's a great thing if it's real.

[1503] I mean, if it really can benefit.

[1504] But too much if it could be a problem too, right?

[1505] Too much charity in what way?

[1506] Well, I don't know.

[1507] Everyone always talks about, like, aid going to Africa and then warlords.

[1508] and shit taking control of it and it only helping them maintain their grip of of power and...

[1509] Yeah, that's kind of a different conversation.

[1510] Oh, I know, I know.

[1511] It's not...

[1512] Yeah.

[1513] Like, real charity is like Red Cross, like when people need blankets and there's some sort of a disaster and they come in, they give food and they set up a, you know, a food kitchen for folks that...

[1514] You mean like charity here.

[1515] Yeah.

[1516] Local charities.

[1517] Well, charity that you can audit.

[1518] Hmm.

[1519] I see what you're saying.

[1520] Charity where you know, it's going to be like if you watch like a soup kitchen line like okay that's real like there's these people get fed yeah yeah yeah I want to contribute to that if you're sending money to you know fill in the blank yeah some country sending money to the Congo well yeah the you the unicef one is to help people there in Africa and that's the that's the weird part of it okay so 92 % is going to those people but how much of it actually goes exactly um yeah people suck Man, I think that's the conclusion that we can probably draw somewhere around the one.

[1521] Yeah.

[1522] Like, whether it's from Ferguson or this fucking CBC guy that's beating chicks up or Bill Cosby drugging people and raping them.

[1523] We have focused on a lot of negativity this podcast.

[1524] A little bit.

[1525] I feel like we could, we could have done better.

[1526] Where's the optimism?

[1527] It's too late.

[1528] Well, there's also the thing that when you're aware of negativity, it kind of, when you expose it, it makes it much more.

[1529] difficult for that negativity to prosper in the future?

[1530] I suppose you're correct about that.

[1531] Right.

[1532] So maybe in that case, our negativity was actually positivity.

[1533] I would like to look at it that way.

[1534] Seems convenient.

[1535] Yeah.

[1536] I would like to say that we did some good.

[1537] We had some discussions.

[1538] We highlighted some gray areas.

[1539] It's true.

[1540] They need to be highlighted.

[1541] Yeah.

[1542] Yeah, you need to be aware.

[1543] Well, it's also, what we're doing is by doing a podcast, by talking about stuff, and by examining these ideas with as open a mind as we can you're you're exchanging information and that information gets people think about these things and changes the perceptions in the future of what these things are you know like we didn't know that there was a radio guy that likes beating the fuck out of chicks we didn't know until that information got out that guy was a big time radio guy in Canada for a long time until the information got out that he was beating people up being women up yeah so in that case you could you know the argument is that that information getting us getting out and then us talking about it is going to get to people who may have sure been like him right maybe they would deter them from doing the same thing i don't know right and there's there's there's a certain amount of positivity and justice yes you know when someone's doing what bill cosby allegedly did drugging women what do you think will happen with bill cosby that's a good question with this this guy this jean whatever the fuck his name is guy going getting arrested going to jail i find it hard to believe that someone's not going to file charges against bill cosby yeah and it's just gathering steam right now well it's just a matter of how much evidence they have well i heard that the issue right now is the um there's a restriction what is it the statute of limitation yeah yeah oh the age that the the crime was more than 25 years ago right am i right about that?

[1544] 25?

[1545] I don't know what the number is.

[1546] That's tricky when you're dealing with a guy that's that old too.

[1547] Like, he probably doesn't fuck anymore.

[1548] Did you see...

[1549] Right?

[1550] I mean, he has to take my anger to rape now.

[1551] Whatever.

[1552] He's gonna go way out of his way to rape now.

[1553] Yeah.

[1554] I mean, he's got the...

[1555] He's got the ingreat.

[1556] He's taking the right vitamins.

[1557] Probably.

[1558] Did you see the associated press thing?

[1559] Yes.

[1560] Where, like, that little clip there?

[1561] Ooh, was creepy.

[1562] Was that evil?

[1563] Ooh, scary.

[1564] The way he responded to it is like, we don't discuss.

[1565] these things and I was relying on your integrity.

[1566] Is that evil?

[1567] Is that pure evil?

[1568] There's a lot going on there, man. First of all, it's this elite royalty attitude.

[1569] First of all, he gave them the royal, we do not respond.

[1570] That's amazing, right?

[1571] We.

[1572] I'm talking to you, man. That's a sociopath.

[1573] We means that he views himself as a character, right?

[1574] Isn't that what that means?

[1575] We means there's more than one of him.

[1576] Yeah, what does that?

[1577] We, the organization known as Bill Cosby, the artist known as Bill Cosby, the representative of the artist.

[1578] The real version and the persona.

[1579] He's in meaning there's two versions.

[1580] I have a team behind me. We do not respond.

[1581] And he kept saying integrity in this weird world, I rely on your integrity.

[1582] And I relied on your integrity to not be like, what the fuck are you talking about?

[1583] What I always think about whenever I see any shit like that is how would I respond had I not done it?

[1584] Right.

[1585] exactly and I always think I'd say listen get the fuck off my case this did not happen didn't do it this did I mean I feel like I'd be on that stand or whatever yes and I would not stop saying that this was not me exactly but yet you never see that exactly why the fuck do you never see that they're guilty probably I mean if you have to speculate obviously I'm just guessing yeah but if I had a guess when look if someone came to you and said Lewis I know that what you were doing is you were a duck taping dudes and fuck in their mouth after you drug them you'd be like no I wasn't I didn't rape anybody in the mouth that I druged You can't You can't fake that reaction No no no The minute they used It starts to be labored And it starts to be contrived You have to immediately say What's the need for the show Exactly and there's also There's such a A large number of people That he harmed It's not like Which one?

[1586] Cosby really yeah there's like 17 women now 17 oh yeah oh wow i'm not cut up on him 17 yeah yeah there's a lot wow there's a lot of and more apparently are coming forth what you know what they're saying is he was doing this for decades yeah he had a system i have three fucking daughters dude even if i didn't i have a mom you know you've had no daughters i love a lot of women you know i love a lot of humans that happen to female the idea that someone can do that and that one of the people that I care about and love could somehow another how would you react I don't want to say you know if I knew where he was if I knew where he was physically if I knew where he was physically and he did that to one of my daughters yes I'd probably be doing some jail time yeah he would be in some sort of a full body cast I saw at a young age I saw the movie a time to kill I don't know if you've seen it which who's in that Matthew McConaughey it's before he started doing rom -coms and sold his to the devil.

[1587] He was in the AIDS movie.

[1588] Yeah, he's the, no, now he's a badass.

[1589] But he was Mad Mike or Magic Mike.

[1590] Oh, you're going back to Channing Tatum.

[1591] Wasn't he in it too?

[1592] McConaughey was in there too.

[1593] Oh, maybe.

[1594] I don't expose myself to that kind of thing.

[1595] But then he recently did True Detective, which...

[1596] Did you watch True Detective?

[1597] Yeah, it's fucking great.

[1598] Wow.

[1599] That's the next level.

[1600] But anyway, I saw Time to Kill at a young enough age that he had a drastic impact on my life, which the premise of that movie is, Samuel Jackson.

[1601] Do you remember this?

[1602] Mm -hmm.

[1603] Yeah.

[1604] Do you remember the premise?

[1605] Barely.

[1606] Oh, okay.

[1607] So early on...

[1608] It's like the early 90s, right?

[1609] A black girl gets raped by a bunch of hillbillies.

[1610] Right.

[1611] They kill her.

[1612] Yes.

[1613] Or they might...

[1614] No, no, I don't think she'd...

[1615] They killed her.

[1616] They damaged her irreparably.

[1617] She would never have kids.

[1618] They were raped her that badly.

[1619] And she might have been eight or nine in the movie.

[1620] I can't remember.

[1621] And the father...

[1622] murders of the dudes who did it he kills him and McConaughey's character the lawyer is arguing that that was just yep yeah well remember that guy that there was a martial arts instructor that molested his kid and the guy got arrested and they were taking the guy the cops were taking the guy through an airport or something like that and the guy jumped out and shot him in the head yes and got off got off yes I do recall that Yeah, there's, you know what, man, I mean, there's certain shit that you can't do.

[1623] Would any part of you, though, worry, this is a very difficult question.

[1624] Would any part of you worry that the story you were getting from your daughter would be untrue?

[1625] If 17 other people said the same story.

[1626] Time to die.

[1627] It's time to break Cosby's arms.

[1628] Both of them.

[1629] Wow.

[1630] Many places.

[1631] Well, there's 17 people.

[1632] I think if I, if that was my daughter, I would be so.

[1633] consumed with anger i don't know if i'd be able to contain myself i would have to actively keep from being anywhere near him because if if i fucked up and i mean there's something about victimizing people that's horrific i know something about victimizing a woman that's particularly horrific and then victimize a woman by drugging her and then doing what you want to do with her body like taking away their humanity they become like they become something that you use like a fucking human fleshlight you're out cold you drug them and then you you fuck them and like who I mean the real question is right like the only thing worse you could do is beat them up or worse you could do is like physically hurt them irreparably this is the only thing worse like when you take away someone's ability to decide what they do with their body you take away like a part of what makes them a human being it's nuts drugging them Cosby I watch if that's real I mean obviously we're saying Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1634] I agree.

[1635] But, but you said yourself, when it gets to 17, it's not up for discussion.

[1636] Yeah, you know, you're not talking about a guy who cheated on his taxes.

[1637] You're not talking about a guy who's, I mean, even awful things, like drunk driving.

[1638] He's a, you know, like a repeat drunk driver.

[1639] Yeah.

[1640] Fuck, man. You know, it's horrible, but there's something particularly horrible about a big, powerful man who drugs.

[1641] women it's terrifying and it's also confusing to people because they're like god he's so famous he doesn't have what's what's the deal here what's he you know why does it he would he could have done it the right way and had incredible success right yeah he was the man well it's also I think it fits that narrative that like what is rape what it really is is not sex it's power yeah yeah and that's that also goes along with that whole wee shit you know yep I mean, the we shit is, we do not respond to innuendo.

[1642] I would assume that you had the integrity.

[1643] And I was relying upon your integrity.

[1644] Like, what?

[1645] Integrity.

[1646] It's creepy, man. And the guy who's interviewing him is, like, really intimidated and it's, like, this weird moment.

[1647] Yep.

[1648] Why is that?

[1649] Because he's not famous, and, you know, it's Bill Cosby, and you're around him, and you're not, maybe doesn't have a lot of experience.

[1650] You're going to lose your job.

[1651] maybe maybe but at the time he didn't know probably what what the concept what the fallout would be for asking that question well what would you do in that situation if you were the guy who's interviewing him would you push it am i me or like who you're you're you're you're you and you have some for some reason they give you a camera and they let you interview bill cosby holy fuck he wants to talk about his NBC sitcom anytime somebody you get the feeling that somebody's deceiving you uh you I mean me personally I can't can't help but not give into that.

[1652] I can't help it.

[1653] Not give into it?

[1654] You mean, to the deception?

[1655] Like I talked earlier about watching.

[1656] Can't help not give into it.

[1657] Give into it in the sense that challenge it.

[1658] Okay.

[1659] I talked earlier about watching the first 48, like, my favorite part is the interrogation.

[1660] Yeah.

[1661] It's like, it's creepy.

[1662] It's the, the, the, the glimpse into the, into the mind for a moment of how the mind prepares to, to defend itself from anything.

[1663] The mind prepares due to self -preservation to say shit and do shit that makes no sense.

[1664] I mean, they're tripping over the excuses in an attempt to save their own asses saying things that they don't even believe.

[1665] Well, that's why it's got to be particularly frustrating if you're innocent and a cop is like, look, I know you killed her.

[1666] You killed your wife.

[1667] That's right.

[1668] What the fuck, man. That's right.

[1669] Imagine being in that situation.

[1670] But the same thing happens, like we said earlier, about what would your response?

[1671] be it happens in those rooms in those interrogation rooms right where you get an immediate vibe as a viewer and i'm sure that the cops being experienced are the exact same way that a true a true creepy fucking skilled murderer is obviously the worst because of how how great of an actor they are how great how great of a job they can do at exposing all the flaws that in how you interpret them right how they can preemptively figure out what your questions are going to be and already have the answers and someone who is really planned out deception that's right deep deep in advance and is used to doing on a regular basis that there is no antidote for that the only antidote for that is them eventually wanting to get caught so that they could say it's me it's always been me so then they can be on the front fucking page that's the only point at which it comes out because but then but the you also realize watching that show that those guys those guys are the shit that dreams are made of like there's one every fuck I don't know how long true pure evil but the vast majority of them are not skilled in that arena right the vast majority of them are like fuck I don't know how this happened you know and they'll try the defense their their defense in that state but it's stumbling and it's and it's so obvious that they're they're just a attempting to, you know, to spin a web and then so the cops can figure out which path they need to take to, but it's very, it's very weird watching it because I, at times I feel like a sociopath watching it.

[1672] But Duncan calls it murder porn.

[1673] I completely agree.

[1674] I completely agree with him because I watch it and I go, you know, I know all the right answers.

[1675] I'm skilled enough now.

[1676] That's weird, right?

[1677] You can, like, educate yourself watching First 48.

[1678] That's right.

[1679] ugh do you think here's a real question yeah do you think that as we get access to more information about each other and access to each other's thoughts like literally the the come the point in time where 10 years from now and we can record our memories and our thoughts on some sort of a hard drive and have it be exchanged whether it's 10 or 50 or 100 whatever it is will we get to a point where we eliminate evil?

[1680] Is that possible?

[1681] Is it possible to get to a point where we eliminate things like murder, rape, crimes against people?

[1682] Why would an openness affect that?

[1683] Consequences.

[1684] There's 100 % consequences to your action.

[1685] The only time you wouldn't...

[1686] Oh, so in complete surveillance, yeah.

[1687] There's no opportunity to do it without getting caught.

[1688] Yeah.

[1689] What do you think about pedophiles?

[1690] Pedophiles scare the shit out of me, obviously, because I have kids, but...

[1691] Because I watched that Louis Thoreau thing he did on pedophiles.

[1692] They don't have a choice.

[1693] Some of them don't.

[1694] I think...

[1695] Do you know a disproportionate amount of left -handed?

[1696] Jesus.

[1697] Disproportionate amount of pedophiles are left -handed.

[1698] There was an article in New York Times.

[1699] that was arguing for pedophilia being a mental disorder that can be isolated and viewed, that you can actually figure out what went wrong, what genes went wrong, what, you know, what genes.

[1700] The final scene in that movie, maybe not the final, but near the end, in his documentary, sorry, call it movie, is the guy that he's been going around with.

[1701] the uh he basically his guide the guy who's running the facility for the dudes who are responsible for pedophilia and whatever other sexual offenses and he finally gets around asking him the question because he has a little bit of an idea of the history of how he ended up in all this and his reason for molesting or uh raping his two boys was that his wife wasn't putting out Oh, fucking Christ.

[1702] His wife wasn't putting out, and the way that he was going to get back at her...

[1703] Oh, God.