288 - MFM Guest Host Picks #11 - Erin & Erin

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hi, I'm Aaron Welsh.

[2] And I'm Aaron Alman Updike.

[3] And we are the guest hosts of my favorite murder.

[4] Normally, the actual hosts of this podcast will kill you on Exactly Right Network.

[5] But this week, we are super duper, a thousand percent excited to be guest hosting the podcast that kind of inspired our podcast.

[6] Yeah, 100%.

[7] We both have nervous upper lip sweats.

[8] but we're really excited because Karen and Georgia were a huge inspiration to us in starting our podcast and we still pinch ourselves every time we realize that we are a part of the exactly right network.

[9] Yeah, it's been a complete dream come true.

[10] Like, I can't believe that this is our life now.

[11] It's unbelievable.

[12] And so, yeah, we're super excited to kind of get the chance to re -listen to some old episodes and kind of get back into like, okay, this is what inspired us to start podcasting.

[13] This is what we would talk about constantly.

[14] Did you listen to the latest one?

[15] Did you?

[16] Yeah, it was really fun to go back through old episodes.

[17] So we're excited to bring you our favorite Karen and Georgia stories.

[18] So our first pick is a Karen pick.

[19] I got to pick this one.

[20] I'm very excited because I've always considered myself a Karen.

[21] You're totally a Karen.

[22] I'm definitely a Georgia.

[23] Mm -hmm, 100%.

[24] So I feel like this was appropriate.

[25] And also, this is just one of my favorite all -time stories from my favorite murder.

[26] And it's not even about a murder.

[27] It is actually the incredible survival of Jennifer Mori, episode 33.

[28] And I picked this one because it's something that I actually couldn't listen to it the first time that it aired.

[29] I was too nervous.

[30] I was too scared because it taps into all of some of my biggest fears.

[31] Yeah.

[32] Like, you know, single woman living, alone, someone that you thought you could trust, but, you know, suddenly becoming a threat.

[33] But then when I finally listened to it, it rapidly became like one of my all -time favorites because Jennifer is like the way that Karen tells the story is so incredible, first of all.

[34] And second of all, it is such a story of like strength and resilience and like fighting back.

[35] And I just love that so much about it.

[36] But the real clincher for me, I think, It didn't happen until several episodes later, I think episode 95, when Karen and Georgia included a story from a live show that they did in Dallas, where Jennifer Mori comes on stage at the end and talks about, like, how wonderful it was that Karen told the story and how much she's been, like, inspirational to all of these people that have, you know, like, be prepared and don't be.

[37] afraid to, you know, put up a fight, stuff like that.

[38] And so every time I listen to that, it just brings like complete tears.

[39] And so I was like walking this morning and listening to the live show part of it and just like wiping away tears like, no, I'm fine.

[40] I'm fine.

[41] So it was a real, it was a real, strange to say like pleasure, but it was really great to kind of get to re -listen to this.

[42] And I'm excited to share it with you guys.

[43] So this week, I'm going back to my tried and true, which is, I'm going to retell you one of my favorite episodes if I survived.

[44] Well, I've never, I've never seen the show.

[45] So please do.

[46] And this one I love because this plays on if you, uh, if this, if you, if you have some home alone as a young lady fears, this is going to cause some problems.

[47] So, uh, spoiler alert, trigger alert, uh, scary, scary alert.

[48] Oh no. It has all these pieces.

[49] And the first time I saw this on I survived, I was like gripping the couch.

[50] I was so freaked out.

[51] So essentially, it goes a little something like this.

[52] It's April 15th, 1995, and a young, bright, beautiful, successful, 25 -year -old young lawyer named Jennifer Mory goes out and has a drink with her friends after work one night.

[53] big mistake her fault um she goes she's at the local ale house all her friends are there um she doesn't want to go at first they convince her to stay then she ends up having a great time and uh she stays until midnight then her friend drives her home and um she uh lives in an apartment complex called bayou park in Houston and the reason that she picked this apartment complex to move into was because it was all about security and it had not just like you know the the apartment security guards they had they actually hired Pinkerton security guards to to work at this place so it was back in time that's still a thing no they've been around that's how long they've been around it's still like a major company holy shit um so and that name means like a lot to people in security.

[54] So that's why she picked that apartment building to live in.

[55] So she goes home at midnight, goes in.

[56] Let's say she washed her face, which is what you should do before you go to bed, ladies.

[57] So she goes in, gets ready for bed, goes to bed, turns out all the lights.

[58] Wakes up at 4 a .m. There's someone on top of her.

[59] No. Yeah, get ready for this.

[60] No. It's going to be this the whole time.

[61] Scared.

[62] So there's someone straddling her.

[63] and she can feel something on her neck.

[64] And she realizes...

[65] Is that a puppy?

[66] Someone, no, it's not.

[67] She realizes someone's broken into her apartment and they're attempting to rape her.

[68] She can't figure out if she's dreaming at first.

[69] It's that horrible in -between feeling.

[70] She finally, when she becomes fully awake and she realizes someone's straddling her, they've got a knife to her throat, and they're going to rape her.

[71] She just starts fighting.

[72] Good for her.

[73] So she does everything.

[74] think she can she she fights this guy she grabs the knife it's all the stuff uh all the crazy shit and she's fighting him so hard that he cuts her from the cheekbone to the middle of her neck and he slices her neck over um so she keeps on fighting but suddenly it gets very slippery and there's blood everywhere and um finally she's starting she's starting losing blood and like the fight goes out of her he takes her by the hair oh no and he pulls her across out of the bed across the room throws her into the bathroom and says you stay in here and you do not move and he slams the door and so she she throws her back up against the door in the bathroom she grabs a washcloth and she puts it up against her wound pressure constant pressure when you have a wound like that um oh my god oh my god she throws her feet up against the wall and she's like jammed herself there so he can't come back in yeah um and then she sits there and waits and listens and she hears him zip his pants up and then she wait and then she hears the door close and then she waits a little bit longer oh my god oh my god to make sure and then she goes to open the door because there's so much blood on her hands that she cannot get a grip on the And she's pulling at it and pulling at it And then she actually says in the story She actually started laughing Because she was like, oh, this is how I'm going to die She's one of us I get stuck, I get stuck in the bathroom And that's how I can't get help So finally she gets out She yanks the door open, she gets out She fumbles to throw on the hallway light The lights are dead Oh my God She crawls, she gets to the phone The phone's dead No, no, no, no Yeah Yeah.

[75] So then she finds her cell phone.

[76] It's live.

[77] She brings it back into the bathroom and she calls 9 -1 -1 -1.

[78] So that night, a man named Richard Everett was working was the dispatcher.

[79] He had just gotten onto his shift.

[80] Oh, my God, heroes.

[81] They're all heroes.

[82] So this is 4 a .m. when this started.

[83] So I guess he was starting a very early morning shift, maybe middle of night.

[84] I don't know.

[85] So she explains to him what's happened, and he just starts telling her, you're going to be fine.

[86] Just try to stay calm.

[87] Don't talk that much.

[88] We just keep it.

[89] The cops and the ambulance are on their way right now.

[90] They're going to be there really soon.

[91] You know, we could listen to this right now.

[92] And you're going to be fine.

[93] There's no fucking way I would ever listen to it.

[94] I don't know.

[95] And she's saying, I'm bleeding so much.

[96] You please make sure they hurry or whatever.

[97] And he's like, they're coming there as fast as they can.

[98] And just hold that washcloth.

[99] You're going to be okay.

[100] Oh, my God.

[101] And so after like 10 minutes, he's just talking her down and she's actually starting to calm down and she's feeling okay.

[102] There's a knock at the door.

[103] No, no, no. So she's like, there's someone's knocking at the door.

[104] And he's like, who is it?

[105] And she goes, well, hold.

[106] So she yells from the bathroom, who is it?

[107] And he says, this is Brian Gibson, the security guard that's on on duty tonight.

[108] no um i just got attacked by a guy who jumped off your balcony are you okay is that true is it true and she doesn't know so she's like he he goes are you okay you should let me in and and she goes i'm okay um i'm talking to 911 right now and the dispatcher on 911 goes wait what's going on and she goes no it's okay it's the security guard he wants me to let him in and richard everett for no reason except for gut goes do not let him in the door and she goes no it's pancretin security that's the whole apartment like that's the whole setup here and he goes he he said here's the thing we haven't notified security at your apartment complex yet so unless they have a police scanner yeah but if you saw someone jumping off that doesn't matter he what is he going to do we don't know about that story yeah but he goes we just don't know what that is.

[109] Yeah.

[110] So just don't let him in.

[111] Yeah.

[112] So she's like, I'm not going to let you in right now.

[113] And the guy's like, it's, I swear it's okay.

[114] Here's my badge.

[115] You know, like, he's like, I just need to help you.

[116] Are you, you know, are you bleeding?

[117] There's blood out here.

[118] Um, you know, I want to make sure that you're okay.

[119] And she's like, I'm fine.

[120] Um, the cops are on the way.

[121] And he's like, I know, I can hear the alarms.

[122] You know, I know CPR.

[123] I can help you.

[124] Whatever.

[125] And, and, and he goes, I'm sorry.

[126] I just.

[127] the dispatcher says to Jennifer, I just don't think you should let him in.

[128] And she's like, okay, I'm really scared, though.

[129] I'm starting to lose blood.

[130] I'm getting lightheaded.

[131] Like, what if I pass out and I'm in here and the door's locked?

[132] They kick it down.

[133] It's fine.

[134] And so he just keeps talking to her and he's like, just listen to the sound of my voice.

[135] I'm watching the cops drive up the street.

[136] They are three minutes away.

[137] You just have to hang on for three more minutes.

[138] And meanwhile, the guy's like, Jennifer, can you?

[139] you talk to me are you okay you know can you just let me in and um so he wouldn't if he was supposed to be there he wouldn't be so insistent he would you know what i mean like well but it's a woman who's bleeding and there's blood it's like clearly there's a scenario now if you were a security guard yeah and you knew a woman had just gotten attacked with a knife you would kick the door down and she's in there bleeding out and freaking out and not letting anybody help her you might kick the door down.

[140] So, but Richard's like, I don't know.

[141] So just don't do it.

[142] Well, then the knocking starts getting harder.

[143] He's like, you need to let me in here.

[144] And she, then she's starting freak out because now she doesn't trust anybody.

[145] She has no idea what to do.

[146] But then suddenly she hears the, um, the sirens in the background.

[147] So she knows the plea.

[148] And he's like, do you hear the sirens?

[149] They are, they're coming up the driveway road.

[150] She's like, yes.

[151] And he goes, so the ambulance is there.

[152] Like, you.

[153] are going to live, you're fine.

[154] So just keep that door shut and you will be fine.

[155] Well, the knocking stopped.

[156] Oh my God.

[157] Oh, my God.

[158] Oh, my God.

[159] It's totally silent outside of the door.

[160] So now she's more scared because she's like, what the fuck is it?

[161] When the cops pull up to this apartment complex, this security guard, Brian Gibson, meets them out there.

[162] And he is a mess.

[163] He is bleeding from his right hand.

[164] There's blood on his face.

[165] There's blood on his uniform.

[166] Murder.

[167] And he tells the police his story that he, walked up he saw a guy he jumped down from her second story balcony and attacked him they got into this fight and the guy ran off into the woods like into into a field over on the side and he didn't see where he went and then he went up to check on the lady who will not let him in who's freaking out right so the cops are like all right stay here sounds good they start to check everything out there's no trail into the grass is dewey because it's 6 a .m yep no nothing thing.

[168] So they're like, get that guy and put him in a room over there.

[169] They go up to Jennifer's apartment.

[170] The ambulance has already taken her away.

[171] She's going to live.

[172] Because the show was called, I survived.

[173] She told the story herself with a big old scar on her neck.

[174] She's gorgeous.

[175] This woman is like gorgeous and a lawyer.

[176] So she's the best.

[177] She's killing it.

[178] Yeah.

[179] The cops go into her apartment.

[180] There's blood everywhere.

[181] There's also a Pinkerton hat.

[182] And there's men's underwear on.

[183] on the ground and a knife.

[184] So they pick up all this shit and they go back down to Brian Gibson, the Pinkerton security guard that works there.

[185] Yeah.

[186] How is that in there?

[187] And they say, can you take your shirt off, please?

[188] And he's like, no, I, no, it's fine.

[189] I was actually the one that was attacked.

[190] They're like, take your shirt off.

[191] There's claw marks all over his body.

[192] Oh, my God.

[193] He's not wearing underwear.

[194] Nope.

[195] He has shaved his pubic hair.

[196] No pubic hair.

[197] Meaning no hair left behind.

[198] That's exactly right.

[199] and he doesn't have a hat because he was the person, the security guard at the apartment building where she lived.

[200] Did he have keys to everywhere?

[201] Was, well, he didn't have, oh yeah, he must have had keys to get into her house because that's why.

[202] Or some key, or he could have like, I mean, he had total access to her.

[203] Oh, sorry, shit.

[204] That was the most upsetting thing that I read is.

[205] No, no, no, but I just forgot it.

[206] It's he was calling her by her first name.

[207] he was talking to her before he when he was first on her which I think is one of the other the other reasons she got so freaked out and fought so hard is because it's like what the fuck is going on guess how much I'm sleeping tonight zero but she survived it turns out yeah so they arrest him they he gets 20 years for attempted murder.

[208] Man, what the fuck.

[209] And he's on parole now.

[210] No, I'm going to fucking...

[211] In Texas.

[212] Jump off my second story balcony.

[213] He's on parole in Texas.

[214] When is attempted murder going to be treated like what it was intended to be?

[215] Like murder, you mean?

[216] Murder.

[217] Right.

[218] That is so troubling to me that it's like, well, you didn't get away with it.

[219] Simply because she live.

[220] Right.

[221] Simply because she fought.

[222] So you don't.

[223] don't, you don't deserve the punishment of what you were intending to fucking do.

[224] Well, and also the cops are positive that if she had let him in when he came back the next time to quote unquote check on her, he would have killed her and picked up all his shit he left behind.

[225] Totally.

[226] There's, that is absolutely there.

[227] The cops are positive.

[228] That's the reason that he went back.

[229] What's the name of the guy, the 911 dispatcher?

[230] Richard Everett.

[231] All of the ribbons and whatnot.

[232] They're still friends to this day.

[233] He went to her wedding.

[234] Yeah Oh my God Yeah They're close friends I'm gonna cry Yeah And she talks about him When in her episode of I survived She the way she talks about him Is like one of the sweetest things you've ever seen I can't do with that Because he in the worst moment of her life Like saved her life Essentially in that way that like Beautiful things happen too Hidious fucking things And she went on to become the Director of Trauma Support Services of North Texas.

[235] Gorgeous.

[236] And she, I read a thing.

[237] She went around, I mean, it was 2015, I think, when the article, what the article was from, 2013 or 2015.

[238] She was going around speaking at schools and telling people horrible things happen in life, but it's all about what you're prepared, how you're prepared for them.

[239] And basically, she gave this talk that was kind of like the stuff that we talk about, which is like running scenarios and thinking about these things can actually help you not panic and not completely lose it when something really upsetting happens because you've kind of run a scenario, you know where your cell phone is, you know where flashlights are, like you have things planned out a little bit so you at least can put a plan together.

[240] It's a good way to like to make sense of your anxiety and that like, well, maybe someday this anxiety or this thing that me thinking about these awful things happening is going to make me better in a in a situation where I need to not fucking panic because I've already run the scenario through my head or yeah and also it can take away from that like you don't need to beat yourself up for thinking about it yeah you don't need to tell yourself you're crazy for thinking about it you're smart for thinking about it and you're empowered for thinking about it and you you're taking action it's not you know you don't have to live in it and shut the door you go out in your life knowing that you are armed with information and having an awareness and a security that you you know you've done as much as you can with your anxiety to prepare yourself but you're not letting it take over your life yeah and get in the way like you're never you're not going to never leave the house again because you're aware of all these fucking terrible things that happen well and also it's like this isn't a story about how all security guards are evil right a lot of them do just as good shit as richard ever at the 911 dispatcher did.

[241] A lot of them have, you know, good, that good intentions of I took this job because I want to help people for this exact reason.

[242] But you take it on a case by case basis.

[243] Yeah.

[244] So if you meet a person, you get the weird feeling in your gut, absolutely trust yourself and just get out of there.

[245] You know what I mean?

[246] You don't, that's, that's what all that's about.

[247] It's like to the individual.

[248] Arm yourself with knowledge, but don't let that overwhelm you.

[249] yeah and also take a break every once in a while and like the other day some girls like I had a she tweeted I had a hard day at work I'm gonna drink wine and watch I survived and I wrote back drink wine and watch Bob's burgers if you already had a bad day relax that's a great suggestion take a break watch fucking rosemary and time where it's a lot of nice flowers a lot of great accents it's chill you can don't live in it like like visit and then and then go somewhere else for a while that's a beautiful take a have a glass of wine and watch bobsburgers is like bob's burgers is the oh my god it makes me so happy it is the most a perfect show it's positive it's a family that loves each other that's funny that that isn't perfect at all and it's hilarious relatable my six -year -old nephew is obsessed with bobsburgers the songs they write for that show are the best comedy songs there are yeah it is my favorite.

[250] How they come up with those every episode boggles my mind.

[251] Whoever their musical, I should look it up right now, whoever their musical director is, fucking straight up 1 ,000 props to you.

[252] And that's...

[253] And that's...

[254] Karen, that was...

[255] You tell those stories so well.

[256] It's almost like I'm not cheating.

[257] Yeah.

[258] When I am.

[259] Are you?

[260] I wouldn't know.

[261] This is a podcast where some of the time I just retell TV shows I want.

[262] But you say that, but you tell them.

[263] You don't read them.

[264] That's true because I've seen that one.

[265] Jennifer's, I've watched probably five times because she tells it it's, it's so compelling.

[266] She's, she's so real.

[267] She's upset at certain points.

[268] She's very angry and like very self -righteous at certain points.

[269] It's a fucking awesome thing to behold.

[270] So she's a great survivor.

[271] You tell it to me like, we're at a party together.

[272] Whereas like if I did mine, it would be like so many missing elements of it because I can't remember half the shit that like I have to kind of like go off my own notes which I don't copy and paste but you know I lead with them right yeah but I mean I'm just copying her her story wow I mean that's that's stories though you just yeah that's how I learned to sell stories is just both of my parents that's all they did yeah it's like we're sitting by the fire two cavemen two cavemen two cavemen sitting by fire.

[273] Tales as old as time.

[274] The only thing we have to eat are cookies.

[275] Oh.

[276] Karen, you know I'm all about vintage shopping.

[277] Absolutely.

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[296] Goodbye.

[297] Wow.

[298] See, wasn't that just such an amazing story?

[299] It was, it's still, it's chills every time.

[300] Uh -huh.

[301] Okay, now it's my turn to pick.

[302] I'm very excited about this one.

[303] Georgia tells a lot of my favorite stories.

[304] So it was actually really hard to choose my favorite.

[305] But the one I chose for this was the tragic death of My Trace Richardson, which is in episode 65.

[306] I think it's a classic Georgia telling of a story because it's all of the things that I love that my favorite murder does, I think, really well.

[307] One, even though it's my favorite murder, this one again is not like a. clear -cut murder.

[308] But it's the story that centers the victim themselves.

[309] And it's a story about the person that they were and the circumstances that they were under.

[310] It's a story about the system that we exist within and all of the flaws that we know still exist today.

[311] And so I think it's just a really powerful story and a powerful reminder that even though the story was told many years ago and the story itself happened in 2009, it's still so relevant.

[312] So it's not a fun story and it's not a satisfying ending.

[313] But I hope that everyone enjoys.

[314] So this is one I've wanted to do for a while, but it's scary to tackle because it's kind of big.

[315] It's, and it's, every time I go back to look into it, it's just like, it's a lot.

[316] Okay.

[317] This is the story of Mitrease Richardson.

[318] Do you know this one?

[319] You probably won't once I'll tell you.

[320] So 7 p .m. around 7 p .m. on the night of September 17th, 2009, 24 -year -old Maitrice Richardson pulls her Honda Civic into the parking lot of Joffreys, which is a fancy pants restaurant on the Pacific Coast Highway.

[321] Do you know what I'm talking about?

[322] No. It's one of those like Joffreys.

[323] It's like super fancy fans.

[324] Like on the coast?

[325] Like on the coast in Malibu.

[326] Yeah, yeah, okay.

[327] It's very, like, it's spelled Joffrey, not Jeffrey, you know what I mean?

[328] While she's there, from the valet to ordering her food, interacting with other patrons, her behavior is erratic and bizarre, but she wasn't threatening in any way.

[329] When the bill came for 89 .51, Matrice couldn't pay.

[330] So when she was confronted by staff, she announced that she had come to avenge Michael Jackson.

[331] since death.

[332] Oh, no. I know.

[333] Management decides to call the police, and they say, we have a guest here who was refusing to pay her bill, and we think she may, she sounds really crazy, she may be on drugs or something.

[334] But My Treatise Richardson wasn't on drugs.

[335] She's a 24 -year -old smart and beautiful African -American woman from South L .A. She graduated from California State University Fullerton with a Bachelor of Arts in Psychology the year before.

[336] And at the time, she worked as an administrative assistant at a freight company, but she wanted to work with children.

[337] And at the time, she volunteered as a mentor for at -risk children and worked with kids at a cheerleading camp.

[338] So it's not really known why she was in Malibu, though, which was 40 miles from her home.

[339] They think maybe she was visiting the campus of Pepperdine, which is right by Joffreys, you know, to look at the campus.

[340] But just sorry, side note.

[341] I told my mom when I was a junior in high school that I wanted to go to Pepperdine because my friend Jen Mason's older sister, Becky, went there.

[342] And my mother laughed in my face and said, who's going to pay for that?

[343] Yeah.

[344] Because Pepperdine is insanely expensive.

[345] Volleyball college on the beach, basically.

[346] It's Tony.

[347] It's for the rich.

[348] It's for rich people.

[349] Okay.

[350] As is Joffreys, which is how you build an $89 dinner for one person.

[351] I could do that at Applebee's.

[352] I mean, let's be honest.

[353] I had a $60 lunch today with Vince, so let's be realistic here.

[354] I swear to God, sometimes when I start, when I get a pretzel as a appetizer, I could just eat nine pretzels.

[355] Do it.

[356] Okay.

[357] Cheese sauce?

[358] Well, I mean, that's crucial.

[359] Yeah.

[360] I'm not going to eat them dry.

[361] What do I look like?

[362] Big and soft and then have like a thing of that cheese sauce.

[363] Am I a monster?

[364] Mustard.

[365] I hate when they try to get creative.

[366] Okay.

[367] I hate when they try to be like, this stupid aoli or whatever the fuck.

[368] Oh, no, no, no. And then, oh, like a, it's a mustard that's got spicy honey in it.

[369] No, no. Just give me cheese sauce like they serve at Applebee.

[370] That's all we want.

[371] It's all anyone wants.

[372] Cheese soup, but we can't and we know it because a polite society says it's not okay unless you're in like Wisconsin.

[373] Right.

[374] So give me a bread to dip it in.

[375] it and be okay with it.

[376] Fine.

[377] I'll pretend it's a dip.

[378] Fine.

[379] Fine.

[380] It's the same thing with onion soup.

[381] Like I just want to eat bread and cheese.

[382] Yeah, with a spoon.

[383] But fine.

[384] You can put a little broth underneath it.

[385] Whatever.

[386] If you need me to be that fine.

[387] Okay, sorry.

[388] That was a real left turn.

[389] Cheerleading camp.

[390] So they don't know why she was there.

[391] But it seems that she was suffering at the time of a previously undiagnosed manic episode, which is also evidenced by her her Facebook posts recently which were incoherent and rambling she said things like there are signs everywhere smile with a smiley face and then another said I just want to sleep lull but you know me and my crazy ideas let's see where they take me smiley face yeah so that's like did she not know she was manic from what I can tell no and her mom I think they were all very surprised by it by the fact that this is they think that's what happened for sure but nobody knew what was going to happen yeah it seems like it was undiagnosed and unknown i'm sorry to ask this but when when was this 2009 oh wow yeah no no one listens in the beginning of what year it is you know what i mean it's hard to focus yeah i like get to the story yeah i settle down i'm still thinking of stuff i said yeah my story my thing 2009 where were you 2000 you were near 2010 oh my god this is like it's like we picked a theme for this episode that's so true oh you didn't that weird chunk of time we're just like it's like our periods are synced but our murders are synced instead it's all coming together in the red tent stephen yeah stephen's writing this one down because he's blushing so hard he loves a good period joke sisters sisters um but ba ba ba ba signs three nights after that last post she wrote she's at joffre's going through this shit um three laa pd deputies arrive.

[392] They call Matrice's, it's Maitrice, I believe, not Maitrice's great -grandmother who offers to pay the bill, but she would have had a fax and image of her credit card, which she wasn't able to do because who the fuck has a fucking fax machine.

[393] In 2009, yeah.

[394] Don't you hate that?

[395] Yeah.

[396] So they were like, nope, sorry grandma.

[397] Sorry, great -grandma.

[398] You can't do this.

[399] They search her car and they find a very small amount of marijuana as as bottles of vodka and tequila and half a case of beer, but they gave her a field sobriety test and she passed.

[400] Okay.

[401] So I'm sorry, but the officers could have placed Matrice in an involuntary psychiatric hold based on her odd behavior, but they said that that would require a lot of paperwork and a trip to the hospital.

[402] So instead they arrested her on charges of suspicion of not paying for the meal and possession of less than one ounce of marijuana and they took her to Lost Hills Police Department.

[403] Uh -oh.

[404] I know.

[405] Upon her arrest, her phone, purse and money are locked in her car and the car is towed to a tow yard.

[406] What?

[407] Why?

[408] Do you get to need that after?

[409] Well.

[410] Oh.

[411] Lost Hills Police Department, again, fancy pants, police department and a fancy pants part of Malibu like really nice area.

[412] It's the same station.

[413] where Mel Gippton was taken after being pulled over for drunk driving and yelling anti -Semitic slurs.

[414] Same station.

[415] But they let him keep his purse.

[416] Well, they escorted him from Lost Hills to his towed car because they treat famous and rich people, which is what their neighborhood is.

[417] And white people.

[418] Remember in the Big Lobowski, stay out of my beach community.

[419] He throws a mug at Big Lobowski's face.

[420] It's like that.

[421] Yeah.

[422] Yeah.

[423] And stay out of my beach community.

[424] it's just like that unfortunately my trace didn't receive the same treatment as a famous asshole my Teresa's mother called the Lost Hill station around 10 p .m. and all of these phone calls you can hear on YouTube and I fucking listen to them oh no she's asking if they're going to book her and release her that night and saying it's dark and she doesn't have a car and I don't want her wandering and she's like I'll come pick her up right now but if you keep her overnight that's fine I'll get her in the morning I just want to know you're not going to release her and this woman is you know she's clearly upset but she's just like I don't know what's happening I'll deal with it she's a together woman yeah um she's the mother said she's not from that area and I would hate to wake up into a morning report saying girl lost somewhere and her head chopped off but the deputy assured my Teresa's mother not to worry I can't breathe hold on okay but yet at 1230 in the morning My trees with only the clothes on her back and without a purse, money, or her phone was released into the darkness and cold of the Santa Monica Mountains.

[425] Why?

[426] Which you and I, like, let's set the stage again from Beverly Hills to Santa Monica Mountain in Malibu.

[427] It is fucking remote.

[428] It's huge houses on a lot of land that butt up against the Santa Monica Mountains, which are not pretty hiking trails, their fucking wilderness.

[429] Yeah, it's scrub brush.

[430] it's there's no there's nothing commercial around there because i well that's what they said too is nothing was open at that point all businesses are closed they close at like six yes and there's it's like even the businesses that are there are really few and far between it's not like you're going to walk up and get yeah you have to basically be down in the city of malibu yeah to be close to anything and the Santa Monica mountain is where all the mountain lines live and it's really rocky and hilly.

[431] I went to Jewish camp there and it was totally wilderness.

[432] I mean, it was not cute.

[433] Yes.

[434] It's not the city.

[435] No, it's really not.

[436] And this is a city girl who had never been out in the wilderness like this.

[437] So all businesses are closed.

[438] Public transportation doesn't really exist out there.

[439] You know, they have like bus to the shopping center and back, but not, you know, real transportation.

[440] And she's 11 miles from her car at the Malibu tow yard.

[441] The walk would have taken her up and down hills through a tunnel along the shoulder of a highway, winding through the mountains, which I fucking have driven there and you get carsick just from driving.

[442] It's a crazy mountain.

[443] Also, I'll tell you this from my research, 11 miles, just so you know, it's 13 miles from Beverly Hills to downtown Los Angeles.

[444] So she would have had to walk slightly less than that long all the way down sunset.

[445] That's ridiculous.

[446] That's a day's walk.

[447] So when her mom calls the next morning, she finds out that my trees had been released.

[448] And I listened to the fucking message, the call and it's, they're blowing, the officer is blowing her off.

[449] And she's like, how long do I have to wait to file a missing person's report?

[450] And he's like, well, wait a couple hours and then call us back.

[451] Like they're, they're very being, being very casual.

[452] And she's like, she doesn't know the area.

[453] She didn't have anything on her.

[454] What the hell's going on?

[455] And they were very flippant about it.

[456] and we're like let me try to track things down call me in a couple hours which is like can you imagine waiting for your child for a couple hours um and then and then she said you know she doesn't know the area and she's in a depressive state so she probably had some clue you know that something was triggering yeah so at 530 that morning a homeowner in cold canyon which is right next to the actual Santa Monica mountain canyon called lost hills to say that there was a prowler walk walking around.

[457] He told the dispatcher that the prowler had been sitting kind of sprawled out on these wooden steps in the back of the house, but had disappeared into the surrounding wilderness.

[458] And other neighbors said that they heard and saw my trees either leaving or attempting to enter the man's home and that they heard loud screams in a vacant home around the time that she went missing.

[459] But they searched the area and didn't find anything.

[460] And later they searched the area.

[461] They called the police.

[462] I don't know if they came.

[463] That was the last time my trees was seen alive.

[464] She disappeared into the Santa Monica Mountains and for five months the Lost Hills.

[465] So she disappeared.

[466] Super crazy wilderness gone with only her clothes that she had on, T -shirt, jeans, sneakers.

[467] So for five months, Lost Hills insisted that there was no surveillance tape of the police station because they wanted to see this, you know, like what happened?

[468] When did she leave?

[469] What state was she in?

[470] But they miraculously found the tape five months later sitting on a desk.

[471] According to Mitrease's mother, the tape shows her daughter in an obvious psychological distress inside the intake cell.

[472] She clutches, quote, she clutches at the mesh screening and is rocking side to side like a small child, says a cousin of hers.

[473] But a spokesperson for the department said about releasing her, She exhibited no signs of mental illness or intoxication.

[474] She was fine.

[475] She's an adult.

[476] Okay, but you don't let them go without a fucking wallet her cell phone.

[477] Yeah, none of this makes sense.

[478] Like, it doesn't add up.

[479] Is she an adult?

[480] Then what's, like, then why are you treating her?

[481] Why would you lock her purse away?

[482] Yeah.

[483] And not answer questions to her parents.

[484] Okay.

[485] Don't worry.

[486] It gets worse.

[487] Okay.

[488] I'm like it always does.

[489] So the station log shows that Maitrice made four phone calls to her grandmother, but AT &T phone records don't reflect those calls for whatever reason.

[490] So the surveillance tape also shows a deputy leaving the station right after Maitrice was released, like leaving towards where she was going.

[491] But the deputy maintained that he wasn't at the station before the tapes were released.

[492] He said he wasn't there that night.

[493] Then when he was caught in his lie, he stated, the night this nonsense happened I was one of the guys that kept away from this minding my own business which is like what that insinuates that something was going on that you kept out of yes well also it's your job to be at the police station and take care of the people that are at the police station that's not nonsense right that's your job of a person's in distress this isn't this is a person that is in mental distress well the nonsense could have been you know the actions police took when she got there whatever happened to her there if anything happened to her there i'm speculating so that's the nonsense he could have been talking about you know what i mean so three it wasn't how three months later january 2010 that los angeles county sheriff's department conducted so three months later conducts one of the largest scale searches in the history of the department over 300 volunteers trained in search and rescue participate in the 18 square mile search of the area of Malibu Canyon and the hills of Malibu Creek State Park, they find racially and sexually offensive graffiti on the walls of a culvert in the canyon.

[494] The graffiti was freshly painted, and the paint cans, brushes, and other potential evidence was left at the scene.

[495] And Matrice wasn't found.

[496] Finally, almost a year after she disappeared from the station, in August 2010, Park Rangers, who were looking to see if marijuana growers had returned to Dark Canyon, they stumble on Mitrease's naked, mummified body.

[497] She was in a very secluded creek bed in Malibu Canyon, with the clothes she was wearing the night she disappeared scattered around.

[498] Oh, so they were, had been taken off of her.

[499] Yeah.

[500] Or she took them off.

[501] Now here's the most fucked up thing.

[502] Okay.

[503] Okay.

[504] Deputies by protocol should have waited for the coroner to arrive so that Mitrease's remains could be photographed, the site inspected for clues and the crime scene established.

[505] Instead, against orders by the coroner who later said that he, quote, was very clear with officials, the deputies bagged Richardson's remains and airlifted them by helicopter.

[506] Whoa.

[507] Before the coroner could even get there.

[508] Whoa.

[509] This is, okay.

[510] The coroner said that he could not think of another case in which police agency had moved entire skeletal remains without coroner's approval.

[511] to prove this point months later my trees's mother to so i can so this is proof my trees how badly it was done my trice's mother was visiting the site where her body where her daughter's body was found and found a finger bone that belonged to my trees left behind in the dirt oh my god i think there's an article that they're with her and they find that that's that's insane finds in the spot oh look and digs out a fucking finger bone that have been left behind because the proper people didn't did they eventually prove it really was hers yeah it was her for sure um and there have also been small toe bones finger and vertebrae found left behind and also the bones from her neck there's bones from her neck foot and hand missing from you know her body her remains so what yeah the fuck this was such a crazy case because i i followed it step by step so her leaving i was like what happened and everyone was like what could have happened to her and then you see the surveillance video and you're like oh that's some shady shit then they find her body and then the bones are fucked it's just like it just keeps getting worse yeah um so the disturbance made it so that the corner was unable to determine how she died right i think that would be the idea right and the jeans belt and black bra that were discovered a few freet from her body They were found, but they were not tested for signs of foul play and were buried along with her.

[512] So they weren't tested for any DNA, any, you know, ripping or anything that would have, uh -huh.

[513] This is like that thing.

[514] It's, it just reminds me of like it, where you don't know what any things you need to be in place until you realize they're not in place.

[515] So it's like once a coroner tells people don't move that body and the police airlift the body away, should, then those police be frozen in no longer they're no longer active duty in this case because they're clearly hiding something like there should be protocol for the coroner to then go to some other police chief yeah and this is where so this article i was going to like a lot of them from it's a newsweek article by alexander nazarian who this article is really great because he talks a lot about the lapd corruption and why this could have taken place and they were like rampant racism that was going on at the time to a point where you know the second in command is going to prison for 15 years because of corruption so it's incredibly corrupt there's like you know rampant anti anti rampant racism and so he tells I don't talk about a lot in this but he tells background of why this is so obvious and, you know, could have happened this way.

[516] When you, and I think most people that are into true crime watched the, the ESPN 30 by 30 of Jay Simpson, that part of the Daryl Gates era of the LAPD was so shocking and eye -opening to me. And it going all the way back to the riots in the 60s, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, It's just so crazy how long this has been a humongous problem in Los Angeles that has never, that hasn't been solved or even really addressed, yeah.

[517] No, for sure.

[518] And it's, it's not not happening anymore, you know, it's, it hasn't changed at all.

[519] No. No. It's just hidden better and, you know, we've put a Band -Aid over some of the things to make it look less horrifying, but it's still there.

[520] In L .A., and I'm sure a lot of other cities, specifically, the cards are stacked against you if you're not white and you don't have money.

[521] Yes.

[522] And you're, you know, the cards are stacked against you.

[523] You're not, you don't start at zero sum at all.

[524] And I, yeah, I don't, you know, I don't want to forget that as someone who lives here and knows that I'm fucking privileged as shit to be wearing it.

[525] Well, and also just we don't have to think about how bad it could be.

[526] I mean, this is like, this is like saying you can't be mentally ill or you will just be almost literally thrown to the wolves.

[527] Right.

[528] It's insanity.

[529] Yeah.

[530] And what did happen to her at that police station.

[531] Yeah.

[532] Then it opens up that whole door.

[533] The mental illness thing is incredible because it's like, you should have taken her and admitted her for psychiatric treatment because she was mentally unstable.

[534] and unsound to make her own decisions.

[535] And not only did you not do that and keep her in prison or keep her in jail until her mother could come or someone could come, you let her out without money, without a jacket, without any, you knew she wasn't going to get anywhere.

[536] It's not like she could have hitchhiked or maybe she didn't hitchhike.

[537] And that's what happened.

[538] But they're still culpable.

[539] Right.

[540] Well, yeah.

[541] Also, what's the, if you know, see, that's the thing is this isn't just a random person that they don't know and like, well, too bad for you.

[542] when you're an adult.

[543] There's someone contacting you, telling you what the situation is, telling you there are concerns and you still do the thing against that person's wishes, that's what leads me to believe something else was taking place because why would you hide?

[544] Why would you say, we just let her go and she left and it's not our problem?

[545] She's an adult.

[546] It makes that feels like cover up, cover up, cover up.

[547] Well, it's so crazy.

[548] The mom specifically was like, she doesn't know the area and I don't want her to get killed.

[549] Yes.

[550] But what's so frustrating to me, listening to the tape of.

[551] her mother calling is like this feeling of nobody like I think a lot about when you call the cops and they don't help you what do you you can't call the cops again right like like that's your last yes that's your last that's supposed to be the last option is you call the cops and they help you yeah but it's so sad to be like the moment the minute they told her to wait two hours and she hung up the phone I picture her in her house and her family having to to wait two hours.

[552] That's insane.

[553] Yeah.

[554] And she's not a runaway.

[555] You know, you let, you guys let her out.

[556] And the minute they're like, oh, shit, then they're culpable and they're open for her.

[557] Well, also it doesn't make sense because it's like, oh, if you're going to treat this person like, oh, look, she went to a restaurant.

[558] She ate $80 for the food and she couldn't pay for it.

[559] And we arrested her.

[560] Okay.

[561] Got it.

[562] Yeah.

[563] All of that makes sense to me. Yeah.

[564] It is illegal to do that thing.

[565] And there, but there, then you learn.

[566] there are extenuating circumstances.

[567] And it so clearly it wasn't that big of a crime to you if you just released her the next day.

[568] Right.

[569] So you didn't, this isn't, you're not holding her for a robbery or what would that be.

[570] You're not holding her.

[571] That's not stealing.

[572] Well, when I, when I was a teen, no, like in seventh grade and got caught stealing, you know, they give you a ticket, like they ticket you, like cop would.

[573] Yeah.

[574] And you move on, you know.

[575] Yeah.

[576] It's like, why didn't that just happened?

[577] Well, it's because they've been searched her car and found, you know.

[578] But then they're not holding her for drugs.

[579] They're not holding her for liquor.

[580] No, because she took a sobriety test and she passed.

[581] It doesn't.

[582] It's just like you can't, you can't justify the police action in this because nothing is adding up to this is a criminal and so we treated her like a criminal.

[583] It's like, you know, this is a person, this is, say, a criminal who ate $80 worth of food that she couldn't pay for in a manic episode where people do way crazy or shit.

[584] Well, yeah, we talked about Elisa Lamb and how that could have been how she got in the water tank, which, you know, if you compare these two cases, it's like, yeah, you do crazy shit when you're going through a manic episode.

[585] Yes.

[586] But also, the lost, I feel like you're talking about, we're talking about a police department or a police, yeah, police department, Lost Hills that deals mostly with rich, white people upset about something.

[587] They don't know how to deal with something like this.

[588] And so they, I don't know.

[589] Yeah.

[590] Yeah.

[591] So that, I think that makes a big difference.

[592] It's not like it was, you know, the Hollywood Police Department, which also wouldn't have been as big of a deal because if they let around in Hollywood you'd have fucking places to go well and also I would think that they would be much more used to dealing with people with mental illness the Hollywood police department like there's that one on Wilcox that's just like never not hopping totally day at night there's somebody pulling in or pulling out of that because that's my that's my sneak up to get out of Hollywood and go home don't tell anyone the sneaks Wilcox that's my sneak at Wilcox man that's like that's the north south fountain yeah um but totally but I mean like you're right it's like it's like it's almost like a privileged police department because they don't have that much happening there.

[593] So they don't have experience with these sorts of things.

[594] And when they do, it's like some crazily rich, drunk white woman in her Mercedes, who's like, fuck you.

[595] Or Mel Gibson who, or Mel Gibson who, or I think, oh, didn't also they pull over Reese, but there's been and she said, do you know who I am?

[596] Is that?

[597] I bet you're right.

[598] I'm pretty sure that happened in Malibu.

[599] Yeah.

[600] Anyway, whatever.

[601] That's that kind of thing of like everyone's kind of living up to this certain.

[602] So it's suddenly like oh there's a black girl that ate ate food she couldn't pay for and she's acting a little bonkers yeah so now we're going to treat her like the criminal she is well okay but then that means you would that that would mean process her in a criminal way that keeps her safe at least that the thing of the mom going please don't let her go that's just we have to get plumbers so my beautiful new house is now having plumbing problems is everybody they don't know but i hope that's not a ghost it's just plumbing problems it just suddenly starts like gloop like it's about to overflow with like fucking with racial tension all right uh yes all of that is correct they find her body all these bones are missing they can't determine how she died and then her shit's not tested for foul play okay then there's no explanation given for why investigators were never able to find her vans sneakers or her t -shirt that she was wearing when she disappeared so her jeans belt and black bra were there which is like you couldn't be like well animals came and got them but it's like why would they pick a pair of shoes and a t -shirt and not all this other stuff and her body wasn't messed with it's not right also i that makes me think of i did those stories about the deaths on mount hood i mean was no crater lake the crater lake um stories that i did in portland and one of them there was a guy that they found his body like years later and it was a skeleton sitting in jeans like jeans don't just come off It's not Animals can't take your jeans off Right Right Yes Animals can't take your jeans off Is what Stephen's writing down right now I can tell Don't think about what he's doing Sorry sorry sorry sorry we need We need like a booth to put him in where we can't see him But also going back to the Lisa Lamb thing She took her clothes off too Right That's the thing that happens to manic people Yeah and you know I think another thing people don't understand is how fucking cold it gets in the, I know L .A. is like warm all the time, but in the mountains in LA and especially in Malibu by the ocean.

[603] You're next to the ocean.

[604] Really fucking cold.

[605] It's cold.

[606] So maybe she was having hypothermia, which is a thing that they take their clothes off, but then why wouldn't they have found the rest of them, you know, traced her the trail she took and found the other stuff.

[607] Okay.

[608] My Teresa's parents have maintained that their daughter should never have been released on her own by the sheriff's department.

[609] They filed several lawsuits against the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department for releasing her from jail, even though they claimed she was experiencing severe bipolar disorder at the time.

[610] In 2011, they won a civil lawsuit against the county.

[611] However, two reports by the Office of Independent Review found the LAPD not culpable for Mitrease's death, deeming it was not...

[612] It was not a homicide and there was no foul play.

[613] Then why do they airlift the fucking body against the coroner's wishes?

[614] And the coroner couldn't say how she died.

[615] So how can you definitively say it was a homicide?

[616] It was not a homicide.

[617] Yeah, because, yeah.

[618] You don't know.

[619] You gave that report.

[620] Yeah.

[621] Well, you don't have the neck bones to test to see if she was choked to death because you fucking left them behind.

[622] Yeah.

[623] It's months later.

[624] Yeah.

[625] The body has been out there for months.

[626] Sorry.

[627] No. So I'm yelling at you.

[628] You're the one that told me the story.

[629] and they also clear they were also cleared of any wrongdoing in how to how it handled the discovery of her remains so they were like and also it's fine okay uh sounds great ronda hampton who's the woman that Alexander Nazarian from the Newsweek article it like kind of goes around with and interviews her um she was a psychologist at one time in an office where Maitrice had interned, so she's really devoted to finding answers.

[630] She's just this really awesome woman.

[631] She filed a dozen complaints about the various deputies involved in Mitrease's case.

[632] Nine of these were registered with the Internal Criminal Investigations Bureau, but they are treating them as instead of, instead of, let's see, they're treating them as service complaints, not matters of potential criminality, which is like they're just belittling them, you know, or, yeah.

[633] minimizing them.

[634] On December 30th, 2016, which is recently, results of the criminal investigation into the handling of Mitreza's case concluded that there was insufficient evidence to support criminal prosecution of anyone involved in the handling of the case.

[635] In either way, the statute of limitations for concealment or tampering of evidence, like the surveillance tapes, had passed the end.

[636] Wow.

[637] I mean, And that sucks.

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