Lizzy Caplan

[0] Welcome, welcome, welcome to armchair expert.

[1] I'm Dan Shepard.

[2] I'm joined by Lily Padman.

[3] Hi.

[4] I used Lily because our guests is named Lizzie.

[5] Oh, so we have a little alliteration.

[6] Lizzie Kaplan is a friend.

[7] She's so fun.

[8] So cool.

[9] She's so cool, isn't she?

[10] She really is.

[11] Yeah, she got the X factor.

[12] Yes.

[13] Cool gene.

[14] I know.

[15] I enjoyed her.

[16] You were feeling it?

[17] Oh, yeah.

[18] Yeah, big time.

[19] She came out in Mean Girls.

[20] She was in Party Down, Masters of Sex.

[21] Fleishman is.

[22] is in trouble, Castle Rock, and she has a new series out now on Paramount called Fatal Attraction, based on the famous movie Fatal Attraction.

[23] The film.

[24] The film.

[25] So we get into that in depth, and you're just going to love Lizzie Kaplan.

[26] I guarantee it.

[27] I'm not just a member.

[28] I'm also the president.

[29] Reversed.

[30] I'm not just the president.

[31] I'm also a member.

[32] Oh, I've never heard that.

[33] Hair club for men.

[34] The guy who would tell you about the hair transplants, he would say, I'm not just the See, I'm also a member.

[35] Hair Club for Men.

[36] And that's for hair transplants, you say.

[37] I think, I don't know, some kind of hair restoration thing.

[38] And it's, I just remember the many, many infomercials.

[39] And I would like to be a fly on the wall in the meeting where they were like, let's call it a club.

[40] Men love clubs.

[41] They sure do.

[42] Let's do hair club for men.

[43] All right.

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[49] Welcome to the show, Lizzie.

[50] Thanks, buds.

[51] Let's start with a complaint.

[52] Oh, a grievance.

[53] A grievance.

[54] So I don't want to put words in your mouth.

[55] I'm just going to speak from my side of the street.

[56] You're an incredible hang.

[57] Thanks, bud.

[58] We had a double date.

[59] We did.

[60] You, Tom, Kristen and I, because Tom and Kristen did an incredible show called The Woman in the House Across the Street from the Lady in the Window.

[61] Nice.

[62] That's not what it is.

[63] No, I think that is what it is.

[64] The girl in the window, maybe.

[65] The woman in the house and the window, it was a great show.

[66] Yeah.

[67] Let's start there.

[68] And then we'll go into the double date, but you travel through the world with Tom, and do you find that half the people who have seen it don't know it's a joke and half do?

[69] I think probably 20 % don't.

[70] That feels.

[71] like far too many how from the beginning opening scene in the title but I'm now realizing if your number is 20 % ours is 50 it makes me think your friendship circle is more savvy than ours because we're smarter friends I think that's what I just learned yeah can I be in your friendship circle no problem thank you no problem I'd like to jump yeah that's great you just need to do a simple IQ test okay and then we'll let you know okay is it actually the entrance form for menza if you just scratched off mensa we We've taken some inspiration from the Mensa because, you know, it's classic.

[72] We remove the punctuation and that makes us think we are not in violation of any copyright infringement.

[73] Okay, back to the double date, A plus.

[74] It was a good hang.

[75] 10 out of 10.

[76] What did you rank it?

[77] If he hadn't given an A plus and be honest.

[78] I would have given it an A plus plus.

[79] Wow.

[80] I gave a double plus.

[81] First ever double plus.

[82] That's never ever happened.

[83] It's off the scale.

[84] Wow.

[85] Okay.

[86] And I want to say this backyard of yours has really taken shape since said double date.

[87] Yeah, I'm so bad with dates.

[88] Do you have any idea when that double date was?

[89] Seven years ago.

[90] Oh, my gosh.

[91] Oh, my gosh.

[92] It was a long time ago.

[93] You were pregnant.

[94] I was very pregnant.

[95] Yeah.

[96] It was a COVID hangish.

[97] Two years, at least.

[98] Plus.

[99] So pretty embarrassing that we would have had an incredible good double date.

[100] We're literally you guys left.

[101] And like, yep, that's a big bingo.

[102] Because as we know, double dates are tricky.

[103] Oh, yeah.

[104] The odds that all four are going to be rare.

[105] Yes.

[106] So it was a total A plus.

[107] And then as you sit here now and we do the math, it makes zero sense that it would have been two years.

[108] It's L .A. for you.

[109] You got to work together to see one another.

[110] Well, you don't live here.

[111] Well, we live here very close to here, actually, half the time.

[112] Oh, okay.

[113] But we have been in London since February.

[114] And then we were been away from L .A. for like a year up until last.

[115] summer.

[116] So we are here, but we're not here.

[117] Also, L .A. is, London's kind of similar.

[118] There's no like Pop -byes, which I feel like this friendship could sustain a pop -by.

[119] Okay, I'm a huge proponent of pop -bys.

[120] I just did two last week.

[121] Did you?

[122] Yeah.

[123] You're the guy.

[124] I am.

[125] If I'm in your neighborhood, I will knock on your door or I will stop to see you.

[126] That's the way to do it.

[127] It must freak people out, though.

[128] It does, but there's so far, everyone's delighted, because again, it feels so 80s.

[129] Yeah, it does.

[130] Like a friend has knocked at your door and they're holding a new toy.

[131] Yeah.

[132] And they're like, look at this thing.

[133] You want to give it a run?

[134] That is what happened probably for both of us in the 80s.

[135] Yeah.

[136] As I was learning more about you today and that you are a in quotes tomboy.

[137] I'm sure, yeah, there are some toys showed up.

[138] Oh, yeah.

[139] I was always about seeing the new toys.

[140] I do think, though, that it's like New York people do that.

[141] I'm in your neighborhood.

[142] Can I come over?

[143] As we want to leave LA, we want to move officially to New York.

[144] And And our friends here are like, but what, you can't leave.

[145] It's like, I see you four times a year.

[146] Yeah, you'll see us more if you moved to New York probably.

[147] It's really true because then you'll come to New York and like, stay with us for five days.

[148] And when you're here, you're like, what are we doing in the evenings?

[149] And it just gives you these hard dates to set things up.

[150] Yes.

[151] Okay, but let's get into London for half a second because first of all, your husband is British.

[152] So I presume that's what took you to London and or work or both or neither.

[153] Both.

[154] I was there shooting a movie called Now You See Me Too, the second act.

[155] And, yeah, it is about magic.

[156] And the third one will be called The Prestige, even though there's already a movie called The Prestige, because that's the end of the magic trick, right?

[157] We learned that in the movie, the Nolan movie?

[158] I have remembered so little about all other magic movies, actually including Now You See Me Too.

[159] I don't remember anything.

[160] I just remember people were mad that it wasn't called Now You See Me Too.

[161] Wait, now you see you, now you don't.

[162] Oh, now you don't see me. Okay.

[163] Yes, it should have been called, now you don't.

[164] How about third pitch?

[165] Now you two see me. Ooh.

[166] And the two is a number.

[167] I think they are making a third one.

[168] Are they?

[169] I'm going to pitch that, yeah.

[170] People love that movie.

[171] Yeah, absolutely.

[172] It was a very fun movie to make.

[173] So I was there shooting that for like four months and that was in London and then we met when I was there.

[174] He wasn't in the movie.

[175] January 2015.

[176] Wow.

[177] Thank you for that.

[178] And then quickly, you became romantically, entangled.

[179] We did.

[180] Was it an immediate attraction?

[181] Did he take your breath away?

[182] He's so gorgeous.

[183] He's a very handsome, very handsome man. And it was a longer story.

[184] I had just gotten out of a long relationship.

[185] I was driving around in L .A. This was years before I met him, went to London or anything.

[186] I was like, well, how do people date?

[187] How do you do this?

[188] And a bus drove by with a billboard on the bus, and he was doing a television show at the time called Divinion.

[189] He was playing a young, hot and sexy Leonardo da Vinci.

[190] But a straight version or a gay version?

[191] No, he dabbled in both.

[192] Okay, wonderful.

[193] And his like shirt was off on the thing and I was like, I'm gonna go out with that guy.

[194] No. I'll go out with that guy.

[195] Come on.

[196] Yeah.

[197] And then I looked him up and I saw.

[198] Oh my God, I love you.

[199] These things never work out in this way.

[200] Had you already seen him act or this is a straight just on the visual?

[201] Straight body.

[202] Wow, I love this.

[203] Torso -based decision.

[204] He is.

[205] Yes, he's ripped.

[206] And I'm not even normally like a...

[207] You don't go after juice heads.

[208] I really do.

[209] I know it may come as a surprise.

[210] And so then I saw that his American agent was at ICM and I have a very good friend who's an agent at ICM and I was like, hey, what's up with this guy?

[211] This is great.

[212] These are great tips.

[213] Yeah, it's a little psychotic, but there's a happy ending.

[214] It's assertive and ambitious.

[215] Thank you.

[216] He said to me, yeah, his name is Tom Riley and he shoots that.

[217] show in Wales, and he lives in London, and he has a girlfriend.

[218] Perfect.

[219] I was like, challenge.

[220] Can I get his email?

[221] And so in that moment, I was like, okay, forget it.

[222] I'll look to another billboard.

[223] I'll shop elsewhere.

[224] And then you ended up dating Angeline for a while.

[225] Was that her name?

[226] Or Chaz.

[227] Oh, my God.

[228] Chaz Dean.

[229] Chaz Dean.

[230] Yeah.

[231] Who weirdly, next time you see the billboard, please think Dax Shepard and Seth Green's child.

[232] Because somehow he looks like a mix of Seth and I. When you just said, Chaz Dean, I saw a little Chazzy in your eyes.

[233] Yeah, yeah.

[234] I mean, he's keeping it tight.

[235] Very groomed.

[236] So then I forgot about it for a few years.

[237] And then I was going to London to shoot this movie.

[238] And I went out for dinner with my very best friend who I had randomly set up on a blind date with a guy that she ended up marrying and having a kid with.

[239] So we're like, oh, the symmetry of this, you should find somebody for me to go out with in London.

[240] I had just gotten out of another relationship and was single again.

[241] This is the truly embarrassing part of the story.

[242] I mean, there's a lot of embarrassing parts of the story.

[243] This is the worst.

[244] We sat at this restaurant and Googled for like a fun London fling.

[245] Oh, this is horrible.

[246] I can't actually believe I'm going to get in.

[247] I love this.

[248] An exclusive.

[249] This is real life.

[250] Yeah, this sure is.

[251] So I googled British actors under 40.

[252] Yes.

[253] Yes.

[254] Yes.

[255] Good for you.

[256] This is so stupid.

[257] I wish I had been at this dinner.

[258] This is so gross.

[259] Then he came up on one of these lists.

[260] I was like, that's the guy from the bus.

[261] I remember this guy called again, and they were like, yeah, he still lives in London.

[262] Wait, you got, hold on, hold on it.

[263] You called the same ICM agent.

[264] I did.

[265] Checking back in, circling back on this.

[266] Checking on Tom's avail.

[267] This is a veil change.

[268] Check avail, London.

[269] And then the person who was the showrunner, David Goyer, of.

[270] of Da Vinci's demons, turns out he's married to a girl I've known my whole life.

[271] I didn't put any of this stuff together.

[272] And so my friend and I started talking to the showrunner and his wife.

[273] Like, I want to go on a date with this guy.

[274] You're like chasing leads like in Glengarry Glen Ross.

[275] Or in like a divinci code.

[276] Oh, thank you.

[277] Thank you.

[278] It was my own personal da Vinci code.

[279] They were like, they're splitting up and I think he's in a complicated situation.

[280] You know, he hasn't been single in a long time because it was.

[281] the same girlfriend for many, many years.

[282] I was like, well, give him my email.

[283] He's going to email, obviously.

[284] Email was delivered and crickets.

[285] This is the privilege of having those abs.

[286] I'm telling you.

[287] But they terrify me. It was like the old school way, you know, through an agent.

[288] In another country.

[289] It's so stupid.

[290] I don't know why I was like, there's something about this person who I've never met.

[291] I don't know why I feel like I need to meet.

[292] this person, then weeks and weeks go by, nothing, nothing, nothing.

[293] And I finally write him an email, just like a one line, like calling him out, I guess, for not emailing me. And then he wrote back, I wrote him back, and then crickets again.

[294] Oh, okay.

[295] What an operator?

[296] He is the opposite of an operator, but he was operating.

[297] In this case, he was operating.

[298] I think he, you know, wanted to be young and single and free, but I had other plans.

[299] And he had just come out of of this, yeah, relationship.

[300] So maybe a month later, he emails me. And he's like, hey, I'm actually going to be in L .A. Do you want to get together in L .A.?

[301] And I was like, I'm still in London.

[302] Oh.

[303] So he was like trying to push it down the road.

[304] But I was like, oh, so we're both in London.

[305] And I guess we're both available.

[306] So maybe we should go out for a drink.

[307] Yes.

[308] And he was like hemming and hauling a bit.

[309] Do you think he was afraid to be spotted around town already with a new gal?

[310] Maybe.

[311] Some protecting some ex's feelings perhaps.

[312] I think that that was.

[313] Probably part of it.

[314] He was very aware of.

[315] And he just didn't want to, like, be beholden to another person for a minute, which I can understand in theory.

[316] So then he wasn't, like, asking me out, but we started texting all the time, like, all day long.

[317] But he wouldn't ask me out.

[318] This is like you got male or something.

[319] Great banter.

[320] Bants for days.

[321] Any sexual innuendos during the playful banter or all above board?

[322] I think it was, like, mostly bits.

[323] not sexy bits.

[324] Okay, great.

[325] You're never referencing his abs or anything.

[326] No, no, I kept that to myself.

[327] Okay, good.

[328] I kept that little nugget to myself.

[329] In the back pocket.

[330] That's right.

[331] So all the cast of, now you see me too, they're all guys, Jesse Eisenberg and Dave Franco and Woody Harrelson, those were like the people I hung out with the most because we were together the most in the film.

[332] And we were all out and I was texting Tom and he wasn't getting back to me. And all of them were reading the texts and they were like, fuck this guy.

[333] Oh.

[334] fuck this fucking pussy not asking you out just forget about him I was yeah fuck this guy and I was like yeah they're being so protected yeah they were did what he know who you guys were talking about no okay yeah but he got in on yeah he was yeah anytime somebody's saying fuck this guy he chimes it so then I remember saying to I think it was Dave Frankoping I don't know what it is I just feel like I need to go out with this guy so I texted Tom because he wasn't asking me out and I texted him like stop being a pussy and asked me out.

[335] Yes.

[336] And he was like, okay, let's go for a drink.

[337] And we went out for a drink.

[338] And it was like a six hour long date.

[339] It was really wonderful.

[340] And then our second date, we went to Paris on a whim because that's the kind of shit you can do when you're in London.

[341] It's like going to San Diego here.

[342] And then we had like normal dating for two months.

[343] And then I had to come back to L .A. And I was like, do you want to come?

[344] He's like, yeah, I'll come for a few weeks.

[345] And then he stayed for nine months.

[346] And we, like, got a dog and did all this crazy shit.

[347] And then I went back to London for nine months.

[348] And we got a house together there.

[349] And then it was just like, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, done.

[350] Wow.

[351] Yeah.

[352] And that is the long story.

[353] And then pregnant is fuck.

[354] The most pregnant.

[355] When I was here, I looked 12 months pregnant.

[356] And I think I was five months pregnant.

[357] Bell set the bar pretty high.

[358] Yeah.

[359] I think we probably talked about it.

[360] She was a great inspiration.

[361] Yeah.

[362] And I loved it.

[363] I hated it.

[364] I really hated it.

[365] But Kristen gave me a lot of very good tips like wrap a Oreo in a Pillsbury Crescent roll and put it in the air fryer.

[366] Yes.

[367] This is the kind of tips I can get behind.

[368] Now, if I were coming up with the continuum, there's many of them that I would put L .A. on one side in London on the opposite side.

[369] I mean, it's pretty dramatically different, culturally speaking.

[370] Like one's very loud and ostentatious and showy and the other one's pretty conservative and traditional and all these things.

[371] I, of course, love going to London.

[372] For me, it feels like some weird middle ground between New York and L .A. In the geography.

[373] People have little houses.

[374] The buildings aren't high.

[375] It's kind of weirdly quiet.

[376] It's like New York, but quiet.

[377] How have you taken to it?

[378] Do you love it?

[379] What's great about it?

[380] What are you still like?

[381] I don't know about that part.

[382] I do love it.

[383] I actually think the cities complement each other very well, L .A. and London because they're so different.

[384] It's a bummer.

[385] They're as far away from each other as they are.

[386] Yeah.

[387] It's like a brutal flight.

[388] It's eight hours, right?

[389] Eleven.

[390] Eleven, yeah.

[391] It's 11?

[392] A lot.

[393] So we're really almost halfway around the world.

[394] One more time zone and we would be there.

[395] Yeah, I just got here from there.

[396] And flying without the baby makes it easy no matter what, but it's a grind.

[397] And also things like I grew up in L .A., so I think if you grew up in L .A., you don't really notice weather in any way.

[398] It would be a waste of your time to think about weather because it's always wonderful.

[399] Yes.

[400] You're not ever having to plan to grab a rain.

[401] jacket.

[402] Until recently.

[403] Yeah, I know.

[404] I missed all of the like torrential.

[405] It was really rough.

[406] That's wild.

[407] Yeah.

[408] But also I find in L .A., I don't know when anything happened in my life because there's no seasonal break at all.

[409] I just think everything happened 10 years ago.

[410] Yeah.

[411] My God, you're introducing such an interesting thought because I've chalked that up to getting older, but you're right.

[412] In Michigan, all of my memories are firmly attached to some kind of atmospheric.

[413] Every day being the same is a little oppressive, I find.

[414] Yeah.

[415] But I didn't know that I needed sunshine because I never thought about it before.

[416] The plan was always like, oh, we'll spend summers in London and winters in L .A. The first maybe like six years we were together because of work, every winter was London.

[417] Oh, wonderful.

[418] And that is depressing.

[419] Yeah.

[420] Like I just am coming out of yet another winter.

[421] I don't mind it as much now.

[422] I think I'm used to it.

[423] but it gets dark at like three in the afternoon.

[424] The sun doesn't come out.

[425] It's just like gray clouds in your face.

[426] I didn't really know why at the beginning I was just down and depressed.

[427] I'm very sensitive to that.

[428] Seasonal effective disorder.

[429] Yes.

[430] In junior high, you would get on the bus and it's pitch black in the morning to go to school.

[431] And then I had basketball practice immediately after.

[432] By the time you got out at four pitch black again.

[433] So you really never, ever saw the sun for months at a time.

[434] It can get to you.

[435] It's not right.

[436] That's why the drinking upticks.

[437] Yeah.

[438] But that's the thing.

[439] Like people, their skin should be, and it is, I think, sort of generally dolier and better in London because they're not being baked by the sun, but they make up for it with all the drinking and smoking.

[440] Yes.

[441] And the town's awash and cocaine, I'll add, as well.

[442] I know.

[443] That is so surprising to me. It's counterintuitive, right?

[444] You think of them as being kind of uptight.

[445] They are fucking blasting lines everywhere.

[446] They love it deep into their 40s, 50s.

[447] That was something like you kind of graduated out of it.

[448] in your younger years in L .A. There, it's like, you're still doing cocaine.

[449] Seemingly, also, no one has any downside to the cocaine use.

[450] Yeah, there doesn't seem to be any cautionary tales.

[451] No, everyone seems to be.

[452] They're like, when I go there, it makes me rethink my sobriety.

[453] Like, I don't know.

[454] Maybe I just did it in the wrong city.

[455] I could have fucking blown lines everywhere.

[456] Yeah, I think that's a great lesson.

[457] A great takeaway.

[458] It's so awash.

[459] And I had been warned about that.

[460] But when we were there, most recently, I was with a friend of mine who's also sober.

[461] and I walked into a bathroom at a restaurant and I've never in my life smelled coke in the air.

[462] Like that that much had been being snorted in this bathroom that it was just in the air and I walked out and I didn't tip him off at all and I just said, hey, next time you Pete, tell me if you think the bathroom smells like anything.

[463] He came on and goes, oh my God, I feel like I just put my nose in a bindle.

[464] That's crazy.

[465] Yes.

[466] I don't know how they do it.

[467] It's really admirable, I'd say.

[468] Yeah, good for them.

[469] Absolutely.

[470] So the cocaine is a slight difference, the weather.

[471] And it took just a, period of transition because we got together when we were in our 30s and when you go to a totally new city or new country, how do you make friends if it's not through work or I guess having a kid because then you're sort of thrown in with other people with kids.

[472] It took a minute to like find my people and like my place there, but I really do love it.

[473] Okay, so I have all these fantasies of going to a European country and living there.

[474] But then another side of my brain reminds me it won't feel like this.

[475] You know, you'll lose this feeling of novelty in exoticness.

[476] So that has happened, I assume?

[477] Yes.

[478] It has.

[479] How long did that take?

[480] Because I got to know how often I got to move around.

[481] Maybe in the past couple years.

[482] I remember when we first got that dog, our little puppy, and I was driving with the dog in the back seat.

[483] I was just hyper fixated on the dog and like, how's the dog doing?

[484] And I don't know how to take care of a dog and I'm driving with it.

[485] And is this okay?

[486] And I realized, oh, there's going to come a time when the dog's just going to be in the back and I'm just going to be in the front driving and thinking about other shit.

[487] I like getting to that place, but it took a few years in London before it was like, oh, I'm walking down the street and not, I'm walking down the street in London.

[488] Right.

[489] That's all I want to do is go like, I'm German.

[490] Look at me. I live in Hamburg.

[491] That's a good tip.

[492] So I think every three years I'll probably need to plan on moving.

[493] Just keep it moving.

[494] Now, have you had the thought?

[495] I often ask people who have partners who are from another country in their child.

[496] doesn't sound like them.

[497] I think that is one of the most peculiar things.

[498] So is your, well, it's too early, right?

[499] He's 19 months, but he talks a lot.

[500] And his language has just really exploded over really the time that we've been back in London.

[501] So he does have like a little accent.

[502] And I'm so sad because we're leaving in a few weeks.

[503] And then we'll be back in America and it'll be gone.

[504] Oh.

[505] Yeah.

[506] It's so cute.

[507] So you embrace it and you love it.

[508] I love it.

[509] And I love it.

[510] And I don't think we ultimately end up in London and that is one of the biggest bummers about it that he won't be in like a little suit and tie for school with his little accent it's so cute his hair's so quaffed he looks very British too he's like very pale with most reddish hair oh does he have dad's abs are those coming in yet just not yet he's kind of like a big old fat baby belly so disappointing but he does say like cup of tea Oh, it's crazy.

[511] And he says like lift instead of elevate and rubbish bin.

[512] Oh my God.

[513] It's crazy.

[514] You have to get it all on video, obviously.

[515] Oh, I've got it on video.

[516] Okay, good.

[517] Let me have you have a few spare hours, so I'll regale you.

[518] Could you as a favor to me get a video of him saying aluminum or laboratory and send it my way?

[519] Not a problem.

[520] Those are the best ones.

[521] Okay.

[522] And advertisements is nice.

[523] Yeah, advertismen's good.

[524] Urinal.

[525] Oh, they say urinal.

[526] Sure do.

[527] Oh, my Lord.

[528] Like uranium.

[529] Yes, a fun one.

[530] I have a question.

[531] We're getting too far away from it, so I want to insert it now.

[532] When you were talking about matchmaking your friend, I have an issue with this because when people try to matchmake me, my first question is, well, why didn't you date him?

[533] Good question.

[534] He's not good enough for you.

[535] Great question.

[536] So let's just spitball on this.

[537] I think the only time, and I dine out on the fact that I set my best friend up with her husband, like on the.

[538] the regular, because that never happens.

[539] I think the only way to do it and preserve everybody's egos and feelings is to set up a friend with somebody you barely know.

[540] So you can be like, I don't know this person.

[541] Like the guy who I set my best friend, Marissa, up with, his name is Alex, and I met him on a shoot.

[542] He's a camera guy.

[543] They're the hottest people on.

[544] He's very handsome.

[545] Well, just camera in general, they have a power over us.

[546] They stare at us and give us no reaction at all.

[547] And you're like, why aren't you responding at all?

[548] I know.

[549] No drama.

[550] They're just there to get it done.

[551] But we were shooting like some little short thing.

[552] And he and I ended up being in the same elevator for a second.

[553] And he started talking to me about, oh, he's into soccer.

[554] And I was like, my best friend's really into soccer.

[555] You should go out with her.

[556] She's really pretty.

[557] And he was like, okay.

[558] And it was like that blind of a date.

[559] And then they got married?

[560] And then they got married.

[561] But the real twist is when I started to type in his email to give him her information, It came up like, oh, I've emailed this guy before or he's been on an email.

[562] And I realized that we had mutual friends.

[563] We didn't know each other at all.

[564] But in the past, like when I knew him before, he had white boy dreadlocks.

[565] Oh, okay.

[566] Now, had he still had white boy dreadlocks, no chance in hell would I set him up with my friend.

[567] I had WBDs.

[568] Yeah, you did.

[569] Did you?

[570] You were young.

[571] How long?

[572] They were about to hear.

[573] A bob.

[574] Chin light.

[575] Platinum white.

[576] still my favorite hairdo I mean do you have any of them did you keep any of them oh funny enough I actually have the dreadlocks because I got kicked out of high school my mom said what punishment can't I give you and I said if you tell me I can't go on road trips I'll probably just get an apartment and she goes okay that's it and I said yes and she goes okay you've got to get rid of these dreadlocks and I was paralyzed I was like I did not see that coming you can't get rid of dreadlocks it's a huge time commitment it's a legacy she did it as part of her than kindness to me. She, over the course of five, six hours, she removed the dreadlocks.

[577] Five six hours.

[578] But then I cut all that ponytail off at some point and it is in a bag somewhere.

[579] Yeah.

[580] I think Alex still has one or two.

[581] Wow.

[582] Emotional attachment.

[583] It's so, I mean, but it would have been a non -starter.

[584] Yes.

[585] I'm sure a lot of doors opened up for you when you cut those.

[586] This was 92.

[587] I wasn't appropriating Black America.

[588] I was appropriating other punk rock dudes I thought were radical who had Redlocks.

[589] This was the same case for my friends, but it is just not a great look.

[590] You can't pull it off?

[591] Yeah, it's not a great look.

[592] No. The simplicity.

[593] You never have to think about what your hair is doing.

[594] Because if it's doing what it does, that's it.

[595] It goes one way, and I loved that.

[596] You have a big chunk of hair.

[597] Yeah, I don't know.

[598] I didn't smell.

[599] It may have smelled a little bit.

[600] Okay.

[601] Maybe it's a little bit.

[602] You can't really smell your own hair.

[603] So you think that is the move.

[604] It's like, I don't even really know this guy or maybe I would have dated him.

[605] I don't know.

[606] I mean, I just want to have no real skin in the game because of what you just said.

[607] Yeah.

[608] I don't want to be like, oh, yeah, that person is really weird and annoying or whatever issue I might have with them.

[609] I just want to be like, I like this person, this person's my friend, and you're seemingly charming and good looking and go for it.

[610] But I guess I'd be like, why wouldn't you think first let's go on a date instead of you should go out with my friend?

[611] I believe in that particular example I had a boyfriend.

[612] Okay, that's easy.

[613] Yes.

[614] All right.

[615] I think if a single friend is setting you up with somebody.

[616] Yes, that's what I mean.

[617] Yeah.

[618] It gets complicated.

[619] Also, just dating in L .A. It's rough stuff out here.

[620] I don't envy you.

[621] It's not fun.

[622] Yeah.

[623] It's tough in these streets.

[624] I never ever set people up because I don't presume to know what anyone's like in a relationship.

[625] Like what someone's like as a friend is almost no indicator on what they're going to be like in a fucking romantic relationship.

[626] I don't want to deal with the fallout if turns out the person's, and likely they will be.

[627] So there's something weird about them.

[628] Yeah, but that weirdness should be uncovered by the person and then you're out of the game.

[629] It's totally out of your hands.

[630] Do the intro, step back gingerly.

[631] And watch the show.

[632] Have that.

[633] Yeah.

[634] Okay, so I do want to ask a little bit about L .A. because I think for Monica, Rob and I, we all moved here from different areas of the country.

[635] We had like an idealized fantasy about what this place was like.

[636] I think it's always of interest to me that people who grew up inside of it, there's a lot of different outcomes.

[637] I've known a lot of people that have grown up here in varying levels of show business parents, all this stuff.

[638] There's nothing hugely predictable about it.

[639] But I am just curious what effect the town has on you as like a teen.

[640] Where is Hamilton High School?

[641] It's on Robertson, like down by the 10 freeway, that big building.

[642] Midwil Shurie is that area called?

[643] Deeper.

[644] Deeper.

[645] Go deeper.

[646] It's a Chevy Hills.

[647] Yeah.

[648] So what neighborhood were you living in?

[649] I grew up in the Miracle Mile.

[650] Were you in one of those.

[651] Apartment?

[652] No. I was in this little neighborhood called Carthay Circle.

[653] Carthay Circle itself is really tiny and surrounded by huge streets.

[654] So I grew up between Crescent Heights and Fairfax, just south of Wilshire, but in this little idyllic...

[655] Pretty close to Little Ethiopia?

[656] Yes, very close.

[657] Okay.

[658] Did you develop a taste for the Ethiopian cuisine all living?

[659] I didn't go to Ethiopian food until I was way older, which is a real failure on my parents' part.

[660] I was right there, and it's delicious.

[661] Probably the best in the city, I'd to presume.

[662] Oh, there, for sure.

[663] Sure.

[664] I guess I stupidly thought that maybe that was one of those schools north of Sunset and like Barrington, that whole world.

[665] No, no, this is much more.

[666] This is like a straight public school.

[667] Yes.

[668] And your dad, what kind of lawyer was your dad?

[669] He was an estate lawyer.

[670] So he did wills and that kind of stuff.

[671] Is he still with us?

[672] He is.

[673] Does he meddle in your estate planning a lot?

[674] No. I wish maybe he would do more of that.

[675] There's like such a disconnect.

[676] It's shocking that that was his job considering how little estate planning.

[677] He encourages in his children and also did for himself.

[678] But that's like a whole baby boomer male conversation.

[679] My family, nobody was in the business.

[680] Edwin Uncle, who was a publicist.

[681] So this is a ding, ding, ding.

[682] Rob went to his funeral.

[683] I know.

[684] We were just talking about this.

[685] He's really good friends with my dear Uncle Howard who just passed away a few weeks ago with his husband.

[686] And he was a kind of crisis manager PR guru.

[687] Yes.

[688] My first thought when I heard that and he was your uncle.

[689] were you privy to all sorts of delicious scandals in the 90s?

[690] I definitely spent a lot of Jewish holidays at the Lewinsky's house.

[691] Okay.

[692] Monica Lewinsky, I actually met for the first time at the memorial for my uncle, so she wasn't there, but her father and stepmother, I spent a lot of time with them.

[693] Really?

[694] They're wonderful.

[695] She's wonderful.

[696] She's incredible.

[697] I was so happy to meet her, and her vibe is so incredible.

[698] The fact that she just, like, glows and feels so optimistic.

[699] about things when god damn the whole world like she to me is one of the most heroic figures i agree like how on earth god we did her dirty oh the dirtiest completely indomitable any other humans destroyed by that experience to turn on the television no matter what fucking network you went to they would be talking about you in the most horrific and shaming way possible yep and anywhere in the world globally yes while you're also going through a heartbreak and like a young it doesn't Oh, my God.

[700] Right.

[701] It's absolutely wild how much the culture has shifted.

[702] Thank God.

[703] Thank God.

[704] But that was very much in our lifetime.

[705] Oh, yeah.

[706] And I told her, I was watching all that stuff and I didn't think twice about it.

[707] I'm in Michigan and all the late night talk show hosts are calling her terrible names and...

[708] A child.

[709] Evaluating her Wade and all these things.

[710] And I'm like, oh, yeah, that's part for the course.

[711] This is what we do.

[712] If you actually think about it for two, like my brain starts to a short circuit.

[713] Like, how were we all so complicit in that?

[714] And also right sizes my, like, I don't know, have you ever been actively in a show as a series regular?

[715] And you've done a movie in the summer.

[716] And then the movie comes out while you're shooting the show.

[717] And the movie, eat shit.

[718] And you have to go to work.

[719] All I can think about is like, every single person here feels bad for me. And they don't want to make eye contact with me. And everyone's ashamed for me. And everyone knows.

[720] Yeah.

[721] I don't like any feeling less than feeling like people feel sorry for me in any way.

[722] And so it took me many years of therapy.

[723] to in that particular situation not have to go around and make everybody else feel okay about it.

[724] That's me. Yeah, it's exhausting.

[725] Why are we like that?

[726] It's like a codependent thing.

[727] Yes, the notion that I'm making someone uncomfortable with my failure is the nadir of how I can feel.

[728] It's life ruining.

[729] So for her, I'm talking about going to a movie set maybe in showbiz and my movie didn't work.

[730] It's like the notion that you'd walk out of your house and no, the whole world's the set.

[731] I have no way to actually, like no real point of reference.

[732] Also, people are talking about your vagina and your sex acts.

[733] Like, I mean, this is so.

[734] It's so wild.

[735] It's so wild.

[736] It's so bad.

[737] Yeah.

[738] Once you start like really uncovering it.

[739] And she was so young.

[740] Sweet, buddy.

[741] It's so sad.

[742] It's really fucked up.

[743] So the Lewinsky's.

[744] I knew them in a family way.

[745] But my uncle Howard, he was a crisis publicist.

[746] So we were technically in the same business, but not really.

[747] He introduced me when I was 15 to the lowliest assistant at the tiniest management company who said, yeah, I'll send her out on auditions in that way.

[748] I guess I'm a Nepo baby, but it's sort of like that was kind of it.

[749] Your foot in the door.

[750] Yes.

[751] But my family, like my immediate family, nobody in the business, none of my friends from growing up in the business, really.

[752] Were they all -in -natives?

[753] They were.

[754] My mom, not my dad.

[755] Where's your dad from?

[756] Chicago.

[757] Go to state planning out there.

[758] Uh -huh.

[759] Yeah.

[760] Some of the best in the country.

[761] I can only imagine.

[762] Shoulda state.

[763] They dot their eyes and cross their teeth out there.

[764] Well, something happened in transit.

[765] Did they stay to get where they...

[766] My mother passed away when I was 13, but they were together.

[767] Yes.

[768] But I always sort of marvel at people coming to this place from other places because it's so weird and takes so long to find your crew and your people.

[769] And that's like the only way to survive this city, especially in this business.

[770] But I feel lucky because instead of going home to Michigan, when I want to go home, I'm still in L .A. Yes.

[771] And it may as well be somewhere completely different.

[772] Like my friends from growing up could give a shit about any Hollywood whatever.

[773] I think that's probably why you don't like pity.

[774] If your mother died when you were 13 and you had to walk through school and that's 100 million percent.

[775] Because also that age.

[776] Yeah, eighth grade?

[777] Eighth grade.

[778] Oh, God.

[779] It's really the worst time ever.

[780] To add to that, that was the time when the most hilarious comeback to anything was your mom.

[781] So I would say something and somebody would say your mom and then a look of horror would come over their face and I would have to be like, no, no, no, it's okay.

[782] That's so funny.

[783] This is the racist joke thing.

[784] Yes.

[785] Monica's around.

[786] Someone says a joke they shouldn't.

[787] They realize they shouldn't.

[788] They fucking panic.

[789] And now Monica, who already had to sit through the racist joke now has to fucking console this person.

[790] I know you're not a terrible piece of shit.

[791] You know, it's like, oh, fuck.

[792] It's not how it's supposed to be.

[793] You've got to learn to, I guess.

[794] let people sit in that discomfort.

[795] It took me a real long time.

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[815] I rewatched your Sam Jones today.

[816] I had seen it when it came out.

[817] That's old now.

[818] Yeah, but I loved his show so much.

[819] Yeah, she's really great.

[820] And there was kind of a beautiful little section where you were saying how much she packed into 13 years.

[821] Yeah, because everything went very sideways after that.

[822] Whatever moral compass was instilled in those first 13 years, thank God.

[823] Did she have breast cancer?

[824] No, she had multiple myeloma.

[825] What is that?

[826] Like a bone.

[827] Okay.

[828] My dad has small cell carcinoma.

[829] Very fast acting.

[830] Yeah.

[831] If you ever want a short -term cancer, that's the one.

[832] Had it been something that she had battled for a long time?

[833] No, one year.

[834] What about your dad?

[835] August diagnosis, New Year's Eve dead.

[836] Fuck.

[837] Yeah.

[838] But for me, ideal, because I made time for it.

[839] If it had been prostate cancer, it's like two to seven years.

[840] I don't know that I would have been like, I'm going to drop everything and do all this stuff.

[841] I know this to be true.

[842] And also, there is, you're both very robbed of extra time with the person, but you are spared the memories that come from watching somebody turn into somebody else as they are sick and dying.

[843] And it's horrible.

[844] I wish that those memories weren't the most indelible ones, but they are.

[845] Yeah.

[846] Also, the roller coaster ride of cancer, because then my stepdad did die of prostate cancer.

[847] And the, oh, it's looking like it's going to be it.

[848] And then you're like mentally preparing for.

[849] that.

[850] I was probably a couple of weeks.

[851] And then these weird, miraculous upswings.

[852] And you know, now are we planning to take a trip?

[853] I know.

[854] That ride is so cruel.

[855] It is really, really hard.

[856] And I found myself, I hate to say it, but like with my dad, I got this call four days before he died.

[857] And when I had left, he was no longer speaking or eating.

[858] Then my uncle's like, yeah, he's feeling great.

[859] And I'm like, I don't know that I go do it again.

[860] I just wild.

[861] Yes.

[862] I'm so with you.

[863] And my uncle Howard, who passed away a few weeks ago.

[864] He was like a very healthy man, went to the doctor religiously.

[865] Every couple hours.

[866] Yeah, kind of.

[867] Like, he was on top of his shit.

[868] He was diagnosed with leukemia and died eight days later.

[869] And he was like, fine.

[870] Oh, my Lord.

[871] Yeah.

[872] That's wild.

[873] It's crazy.

[874] I never heard of one that quick.

[875] I haven't either.

[876] I don't think a lot of the oncologists had.

[877] It was a very profound experience.

[878] But like what you're saying, I agree with that.

[879] And it was so quick, it was almost like a car accident.

[880] but we had these eight days to say everything.

[881] Yeah.

[882] I mean, look, there's no preferred route, but in a way you got to do all of that.

[883] He was himself till the end, but it's just so shocking.

[884] It's so destabilizing.

[885] You could just be unlucky and get this thing.

[886] And I learned more from my Uncle Howard over these eight days.

[887] I never thought that he would be the one that taught me how to die gracefully.

[888] It's so dark.

[889] But as soon as he found out, he was like, I am at peace.

[890] I am in full acceptance.

[891] How are you?

[892] Let me take care of you in this.

[893] It was wild.

[894] Cracking jokes the whole time.

[895] He did it so beautifully.

[896] But it's very, very sad because our mutual friend, Mike, they got married while he was in the hospital.

[897] And then it's so depressing.

[898] Yeah, they were very seriously doing.

[899] They're a hospital wedding.

[900] Those are so romantic.

[901] Yeah.

[902] I mean, honestly.

[903] But it was beautiful.

[904] It was the one thing he wanted.

[905] to do before he died.

[906] That's wonderful.

[907] Yeah.

[908] Okay, so back to the LA thing.

[909] Yeah.

[910] Were there kids in your school that were getting on shows and stuff?

[911] There had to be a little of that.

[912] Some of these schools, as you know, everyone in the, in your class is a series regular.

[913] Yeah.

[914] This is part of the reason why we don't want to raise our kid in L .A. Like, I just don't know that version of an upbringing in L .A. I grew up here and that's so completely different.

[915] He'll be like the kid of actors.

[916] And that's a whole thing.

[917] Sure, sure.

[918] So I remember one girl, her dad, was Scott Bacula.

[919] That was pretty cool.

[920] That's huge.

[921] Yeah.

[922] I mean, it was a big deal.

[923] I don't know who that is.

[924] That's sad.

[925] I'm sorry.

[926] Come on.

[927] He's the great.

[928] The time traveling show.

[929] Quantum Leap.

[930] Quantum Leap.

[931] Count Bacula.

[932] Does anyone ever say about it?

[933] No. Damn it.

[934] Where were you?

[935] Emil Hirsch went to my school.

[936] Oh, that's exciting.

[937] Yeah.

[938] He was a few years younger than me. I think he was already starting to do it.

[939] But like basically, no. And it was a performing arts school.

[940] The gateway for you was piano, right?

[941] You were originally there to pursue piano.

[942] It made me mad when I read that that you didn't play piano when you were at our house.

[943] I really have lost it all.

[944] I bet, though, for us, we'd still be pretty blown away.

[945] I could impress you for six seconds, and that's it.

[946] Really?

[947] Just six seconds?

[948] Okay.

[949] Yeah.

[950] All right.

[951] So you really said goodbye to that.

[952] Very impressive.

[953] When you got the acting.

[954] Yeah, I really did.

[955] I, like, never looked back.

[956] It's really sad, too.

[957] Two of the kind of overarching topics that I think are interesting, at least from my perspective, is that you are an admitted tomboy.

[958] Your older sister was like, as you described, or a bruiser.

[959] And then your older brother was a little more sensitive.

[960] And everyone was encouraged and allowed to be exactly as they came out of the box.

[961] Yeah.

[962] And then you find your way in a comedy.

[963] You're already kind of like well -conditioned if you were a tomboy to then end up in comedy because especially at your age and me, seven years older, is a boy's world.

[964] It still is predominantly in comedy specifically.

[965] Yeah.

[966] I'm just really interested in the experience of being one of the guys -type girls, and when does it all break apart?

[967] And I think you got to explore that in Fleischman.

[968] So what's the barrier we're missing as dudes?

[969] Like, that's not for me, even though I'm one of the fucking guys.

[970] Yeah, that's a rude awakening when being one of the guys served you so well, which isn't to say that I didn't have a lot of very close girlfriends.

[971] I did, but I was not a girly girl.

[972] And there was definitely a period of time.

[973] I was like, boys, they're just easier.

[974] Whatever fucking people say.

[975] And it's just like a simpler thing.

[976] A lot of my closest guy friends, I mean, there's a group of us.

[977] We've known each other since we were like five years old.

[978] So we've known each other our entire lives.

[979] And I still find it easier to approach conflict with guys than with women.

[980] I don't know really what that's about.

[981] You just said you feel compelled to comfort people.

[982] And in confrontations with women, there's often emotions.

[983] and then all of a sudden you have to start comforting when you were trying to battle it out.

[984] Solved.

[985] Done.

[986] Thank you.

[987] You are an expert.

[988] It's took you well to notice, but we're here now.

[989] I don't love conflict in general, but I think it's because I revere women more.

[990] My friendships with women are just a bit more important than my friendships with men.

[991] And my friendships with men, I have many very, very close best, best, best guy friends.

[992] But there's something that I value more.

[993] it the shared experience of being an oppressed class?

[994] And I'm not saying that in a ridiculous far -fledged to the point of view, but just objectively.

[995] As you get older, yes.

[996] And having a kid really is an eye -opener.

[997] I have never loved just women more in general than after having a kid.

[998] I really was like, oh, it's just like a secret club when you have kids.

[999] You all have been like meeting behind my back this whole time.

[1000] When you don't have kids, you're not forced to pay attention to the minutia of the whole experience and seeing how women handle this utterly overwhelming, usually a very unfair division of labor, no matter how present your spouse is, and navigating that, I'm a woman and a mother, and I have a job that I love that I don't want to give up.

[1001] That seems really easy to figure out on paper.

[1002] And then when you're tasked with actually trying to do that, yeah, it's really brought into focus.

[1003] You were actually never one of the boys.

[1004] And we talk about it in Fleischman, Like, you're always a girl, and the chips are stacked against you to get all of those things.

[1005] They're not impossible.

[1006] Like, I'm the luckiest.

[1007] I have an unbelievable partner where it's like 50, 50 for real.

[1008] But I know how rare that is.

[1009] I just knew I wanted to be very, very involved in all the decisions.

[1010] And I was like, the only way I have a seat at the table is if I'm doing half the shit.

[1011] So I had a lot of dude buddies who it's like, they're not doing 90 % of it.

[1012] So guess what?

[1013] They don't get to pick the bedtime.

[1014] Selfishly, I wanted some input.

[1015] But if I'm being dead honest, even with that, quote, 50%, I think the simplest difference is I don't ever really worry about anything because I assume either I'll do it.

[1016] But I definitely know she'll do it.

[1017] Yeah.

[1018] That's the weird subtle thing.

[1019] It's like, I think the woman walks around with the notion that there's no safety net lower than me. I'm the safety net.

[1020] Yeah.

[1021] So it's like, I'm free to kind of know what's going on at school.

[1022] Like I've noticed as they've gotten older, all these things are burbling up where it's like, I don't read the 13.

[1023] emails a day from the school.

[1024] I'm just, I don't give a fuck if they fail at some point.

[1025] Paranoid about that.

[1026] Or the WhatsApp text chains with all the moms.

[1027] Parents Square.

[1028] There's this fucking Parents Square app.

[1029] You get an email to tell you to go to fucking parents square.

[1030] Just send me the goddamn info in the email telling me to go to Parents Square.

[1031] Some lazy, shitty, male part of me knows like, well, I'm going to ignore that.

[1032] My hunch is Kristen won't be able to.

[1033] I'd accept it if she did.

[1034] Like, I'd be fine if neither of us knew what the fuck was going on at school.

[1035] I actually wouldn't care.

[1036] But I also know she'll do it.

[1037] There is a safety in it for you.

[1038] Yeah.

[1039] And I think that's the thing that's still very much present.

[1040] Yeah.

[1041] I am far less organized and on top of things than my husband.

[1042] And at this point, I do feel like we are together a wonderful parent, like two halves of one good parent.

[1043] But that's just one parent.

[1044] That's all you need.

[1045] Yeah.

[1046] Well, we need a wife.

[1047] You need like a really like an on top of it wife.

[1048] But I don't know how I'm going to handle all that stuff that's like reserved for moms.

[1049] I've never been in a mom group.

[1050] Like, that's just not my vibe.

[1051] And what I've found since having a kid is the stuff that is important to me is talking to other new moms being like, this is what's bullshit about it.

[1052] This is what's hard.

[1053] It's certainly not all sunshine and rainbows and like, let's get real about what sucks about it.

[1054] And there's so much more discourse around that now.

[1055] Still, you can see it in a huge percentage of moms.

[1056] Like, they don't want to go there.

[1057] They don't want to talk shit about the experience.

[1058] experience, even though the experience is like fairly shitty, at least at the very beginning.

[1059] Yeah.

[1060] Some people really love it.

[1061] And I love him.

[1062] He's the greatest baby.

[1063] I'm obsessed with him.

[1064] But I think about having a second baby, it's like, oh, I don't want to do that early shit again.

[1065] Right, right, right, right.

[1066] Well, why do you think people don't want to talk about it?

[1067] It's just so ingrained.

[1068] There's a reason why, like, on a bottle of formula, it's like a mother with a gauzy curtain blowing in the wind.

[1069] Yeah.

[1070] Everything's supposed to be, like, so bliss out.

[1071] It's like admitting, quote, failure or something even though it's designed to make you feel like a failure everything i'm convinced you know have you heard of birth plans i was just gonna say it starts the second you get pregnant and your friends i noticed it with christian first question like are you having a natural birth fuck that yeah it's like well first of all none of your fucking business what i'm gonna do and then obviously inside of that question is a judgment uh -huh like i should be yep and i was like wow the shame thing started immediately here yet i know she's got nine ways to fail it's so weirdly competitive, but shrouded in this, oh, we're just all like here for each other.

[1072] Yeah.

[1073] It's the village.

[1074] It's the shaming village.

[1075] It really, it is.

[1076] And it's because it's hard and everybody's like hormonal and crazy.

[1077] And you want to check to see, like, am I doing it right?

[1078] But this birth plan idea where you like hammer out every detail of your birth, I do believe is the most toxic thing you can do to a person because it never, ever goes the way that you plan.

[1079] It's just setting up horrible expectations.

[1080] I can't be met.

[1081] And then you, you've fucked it up.

[1082] Yeah.

[1083] Fucked it up, mom, like immediately.

[1084] Yeah.

[1085] It's wild.

[1086] My doctor, he was born in London and she was like, the birth plan is, you're going to be fine and he's going to be fine.

[1087] I love it.

[1088] That's a great birth plan.

[1089] Yeah.

[1090] Let's do that.

[1091] I remember when we were getting married and we planned this crazy wedding.

[1092] We got married in Italy.

[1093] You spend like a year doing all this planning.

[1094] It's like this full -time production.

[1095] Even though we're fairly low -key people, it just becomes this thing.

[1096] And then as soon as it begins, like, you're putting out fires till like the 11th hour on like, well, this person didn't show up and I have to move this table and you're just in that mode in your brain.

[1097] And then it begins.

[1098] And it's like the welcome dinner.

[1099] And everybody's like, are you so happy right now?

[1100] Is this the best day of your life?

[1101] He's like, well, give me a fucking second.

[1102] We can't even look at the photos from the first night of our wedding because I look so unhinged.

[1103] My eyes are like popping out of my head.

[1104] I remember the guests would talk to me and then they'd slowly start backing away.

[1105] And I was like, is everything going okay?

[1106] Are you having fun?

[1107] And it's like the same thing with having a baby.

[1108] your body gets destroyed on top of, like, all the pressure and fear that comes from like, oh, God, I have to raise this person now.

[1109] And as soon as it happens, your hormones, everything's wild.

[1110] And then people are like, are you so blessed out.

[1111] Oh, God.

[1112] I was like, no. Who is?

[1113] Yeah.

[1114] It's crazy.

[1115] Yeah.

[1116] It's a lot.

[1117] But if you're prepared, then it's less of a lot.

[1118] Now, back to the one of the guys thing, I'm asking sincerely.

[1119] Is it when we get sexual?

[1120] No, I maintain my tomboy.

[1121] There's some element when you're like the token in any group where people are going to start just kind of pushing a little bit at the tokenness.

[1122] I don't know.

[1123] Does that make any sense?

[1124] I also think how my tom boyishness manifested itself when I was now a girl who was like trying to be also attractive to men is a lot of like, I don't do that girly shit.

[1125] We're cool, man. It's casual.

[1126] Like that was my thing.

[1127] Just show up.

[1128] Bring the six back.

[1129] Yeah, right?

[1130] And just like, I'll let myself.

[1131] out.

[1132] Like, so much of these periods of my life, I just look back and it's like, oh, what a sad, insecure person who, like, didn't know how to ask for what she needed.

[1133] Do you feel like you were drawn to, quote, tomboy side?

[1134] Because the other things seem completely unobtainable for you.

[1135] Like, well, I can't do that other thing.

[1136] Yeah.

[1137] I do think that probably has a lot to do with it because I would get back from elementary school and I'd wash my hands in the sink at home.

[1138] It would just be, like, dirt coming off of me. And I would think, I bet Michelle has very clean hands at the end of the day.

[1139] Yeah, lotion just comes off hers when she washes it.

[1140] I just never was much good at the girly girl side of things.

[1141] It's a lot.

[1142] It's a lot of homework.

[1143] Yeah.

[1144] And I think you're either somebody that's into it or you're not.

[1145] It wasn't like an active decision.

[1146] It was just I was drawn to the things that I was drawn to and they were never playing dress up or anything like that.

[1147] I would imagine as you become one of the group.

[1148] and it's all dudes.

[1149] There's also some baseline misogyny we all have.

[1150] And I always wonder if that part gets weird when you're like, oh, she's so cool, she'll understand this.

[1151] Yeah.

[1152] I think that's when you start to realize, oh, this isn't my actual group where it's like, oh, yeah, let's talk about that girl.

[1153] Yeah.

[1154] She sucks.

[1155] Where are you going on with the girl?

[1156] Trying to talk about other women with men, that's not it.

[1157] That's where the box stops.

[1158] And then there's some fraudulence.

[1159] I'm sure you feel you're putting on a persona in some way.

[1160] Yeah.

[1161] And yet, because my group of friends, lot of the guys are not alpha male types.

[1162] They were cool, but they also really wanted to get good grades and like be smart.

[1163] Like it was never like act dumb.

[1164] And I think going to that sort of odd performing arts school, there was no, oh my God, the captain of the football team.

[1165] And those are the cheerleaders.

[1166] No, that like wasn't my experience.

[1167] That would be fucking awful.

[1168] I don't think I would do well.

[1169] I got to see you and Ryan Hanson.

[1170] Oh my God.

[1171] He's always trying to get me to toss hands with him.

[1172] I never drop my girls.

[1173] I never do.

[1174] I'm too scared.

[1175] But yeah, we got to talk about Party Down.

[1176] Yeah, let's talk about Party Down.

[1177] So Party Down comes along.

[1178] And I'm trying to think what order I was exposed to you.

[1179] Well, obviously, Mean Girls, you were very memorable.

[1180] There's one funny thing I heard you say in an interview today, which was post Mean Girls, you were so worried about being kind of typecast as a freaky best friend that you bleached your hair blonde.

[1181] Yeah.

[1182] And you wanted to get a shirt that.

[1183] that said, what is saying, CW?

[1184] I am W. Be Pretty.

[1185] Oh, that's so interesting.

[1186] It was a different time.

[1187] It really, really, really was.

[1188] From that moment to Fleischman's, I think Fleischman, that's got to be the first cast you're in, which is all Jewish folks, right?

[1189] So from 99 until 2022, 23 years, in that time period, you can now have an all -Jewish cast.

[1190] you really wouldn't have had that.

[1191] No, and I do think it's a very common misconception that everybody's Jewish on a set and it would be exciting to have one other Jewish actor, but it never, ever, ever was a whole cast.

[1192] You've now felt the female vibe, like you've bonded with the mothers.

[1193] Yes.

[1194] Did something click on that set?

[1195] We're like, oh, yeah, this feels right.

[1196] Yes, but I'm like very opposed to...

[1197] Segregation.

[1198] Well...

[1199] Hold on.

[1200] And there's its place.

[1201] Hear me out.

[1202] I definitely don't love this.

[1203] You have to be the thing that you're playing.

[1204] Yeah, no one does.

[1205] Seven people on the internet do.

[1206] Yeah, and they're very loud.

[1207] Those seven people really run their mouths a lot about it.

[1208] Ever saw the Bill Burr bit he did.

[1209] It was in a London stand -up.

[1210] And he's like, why wasn't the serial killer played by a real serial killer?

[1211] It's really true, right?

[1212] It's like, and that's where we're going.

[1213] I just fundamentally disagree.

[1214] They're like, no, they're actors.

[1215] What is the goal?

[1216] Like, what is the finish line here?

[1217] And I think that it's everybody can play everything.

[1218] But this, like, you have to do it this way.

[1219] I think we're forgetting that the goal is that everybody should be able to play everything.

[1220] I'll tell you the best hack for this debate that I've had is a friend of ours, Rick Glassman, has autism.

[1221] I said, who do you want to play you in a movie of your life?

[1222] Is your first thought, they better have autism?

[1223] He's like, no, my first thought is, I hope they look cool.

[1224] Yeah, I hope they're good looking.

[1225] And they're hot.

[1226] Two, I hope they're a great actor.

[1227] If you asked even a person who would then be played in a biopic, they wouldn't necessarily say they have to be gay or they have to really have a bad leg or they really have to have this.

[1228] I think there are a few examples that movie Coda, those deaf actors totally.

[1229] And marginalized people who can't get roles in movies.

[1230] Let's give them those roles.

[1231] Yes.

[1232] And I want to reach the end game.

[1233] which is it doesn't matter what your sexuality is, what you look like, you have a real shot at this thing.

[1234] And I get that it's going to be uncomfortable in the process of getting there.

[1235] But I never, I worry that we'll lose sight that that is the goal.

[1236] Because, you know, like, Nick Offerman on The Last of Us.

[1237] I don't know any gay person personally who was like, how dare he?

[1238] They were like, this is fucking awesome that he's doing this.

[1239] I just think, I don't know, who's radical at doing this role?

[1240] But it's aspirational, I guess we're not there yet.

[1241] We're definitely not there yet.

[1242] And it's a really necessary period of paying attention to representation.

[1243] We were doing a terrible job of paying attention to that forever.

[1244] And so this does feel like this reckoning that absolutely needs to happen.

[1245] But then going on to the set of Fleischwin and having it be all these Jewish people, I totally changed my tune and I realize I only want to work with my own kind.

[1246] Yes, of course.

[1247] Yes.

[1248] Of course.

[1249] Every trailer has a menorah holder.

[1250] A mazaza.

[1251] Yeah.

[1252] And a little fire blanket around.

[1253] it so no one will be in trouble.

[1254] Everything's accommodated.

[1255] Finally, the world is opening up.

[1256] I do think that one of the things that it helped in that show was the cultural Judaism, which is how I identify.

[1257] I'm not religious.

[1258] I don't know if I've ever really been about God in any way.

[1259] It's purely cultural.

[1260] And I know it's the same for my castmates.

[1261] And there's something nice about the understanding of how that lives in the background, as opposed to if I wasn't Jewish and playing a Jew.

[1262] Maybe I need to be a little more Jewish or something.

[1263] It's like, no, no, no, that's not actually how it is.

[1264] It just sort of informs how you process the world, but it is not your main thing.

[1265] I think it was like a shortcut to getting there.

[1266] I don't think that non -Jewish actors couldn't have done wonderful jobs, but there was something comforting about that shared experience and knowing where to put the Jewish part of it, which was like in the deep BG.

[1267] Yeah.

[1268] In A, there's this bizarre, it's so anecdotal, such stereotype.

[1269] But there's, this curious thing, a high percentage of folks that come to AA that are Jewish are not there for drinking.

[1270] They're there for marijuana.

[1271] And then interestingly, too, black folks tend to trend higher on marijuana addiction as well.

[1272] And then I've read a few compelling things that this epigenomic past on trauma and how weed is very helpful for that.

[1273] I don't think it's coincidental is what I'm saying, that there's an inordinately high percentage of black members who are addicted to weed and Jewish members.

[1274] That is very interesting.

[1275] I really believe there's something about the past on trauma.

[1276] Your worldviews different than mine.

[1277] Definitely.

[1278] And it'd be insane if it wasn't.

[1279] It is a scarier place on planet Earth for Jewish people and black people than it is for white people.

[1280] So there's going to be all this stuff that accompanies that.

[1281] And I do just imagine, yeah, if you were surrounded by other people, you two would be feeling and observing it and probably feel being seen in a way that you don't maybe normally feel seen.

[1282] Yes, black actor friends of mine have expressed how kind of nice it is to find yourself on a project where there's a lot of black cast.

[1283] There's a black story.

[1284] Yes.

[1285] Black directors.

[1286] Yeah.

[1287] I love a woman director.

[1288] I feel like I'm in much safer hands around certain types of material when it's a woman.

[1289] It's really interesting.

[1290] We're kind of here.

[1291] You just did a show that that happened in your lifetime.

[1292] So that's mildly encouraging.

[1293] Oh, party now.

[1294] What a group.

[1295] Ken Marino.

[1296] Adam Scott, Ryan Hanson, Jane Lynch, Martin Starr, you, Megan Malawi.

[1297] Greater of Veronica Mars.

[1298] Yes.

[1299] Ding, ding.

[1300] And then weirdly Paul Rudd.

[1301] Oh, yeah.

[1302] Why is he in there?

[1303] Dan Etheridge, John Enbaum, Rob Thomas, and Paul Rudd used to sit around and get stoned and watch the British office.

[1304] And they were like, why can't we make a show like this?

[1305] And I think Adam, Scott was there for either some of it, if not all of it.

[1306] I don't know how they break the stories or anything, but John Enbaum writes them all.

[1307] A little bit ahead of its time on the wrong network.

[1308] In so many ways, it has the same vibe and quality as Veep.

[1309] Or it's just like every character is fucking so dialed in, so specific.

[1310] Every time you see them, you're going to get the most wonderfully predictive and yet still novel dialogue.

[1311] That is the sweet spot.

[1312] I've been watching to fall asleep, the American office.

[1313] And it's the same thing.

[1314] It's like, oh, you know, exactly how to write for all of these people.

[1315] they're all brilliant and you just feel like you're in safe hands the entire time.

[1316] Yes.

[1317] That's a great way to say it.

[1318] Because isn't that the truth?

[1319] Comedy is innately dangerous and you're fearful.

[1320] When you're watching people do comedy, you know there's a high degree of failure and you're scared for them.

[1321] There's nothing worse than seeing stand up and you're just seeing people you've never seen before.

[1322] It's just like, oh my God.

[1323] I hope this guy does good.

[1324] I know.

[1325] Holy fuck I hope he's good.

[1326] Oh, I hope you get some bad.

[1327] It's like, it's the worst for me. I agree.

[1328] So feeling safe in a comedy might be the best compliment you can give a comedy.

[1329] I was like, I'm never worried.

[1330] They're all brilliant.

[1331] Kristen was brilliant when she came and did a few episodes, like, all the guest stars that came.

[1332] And it was the most fun ever job.

[1333] Mine is idiocry where it's just like, no one ever saw it.

[1334] It came out on 180 screens and it made like $11.

[1335] Four years later, people started saying to me like I saw it.

[1336] Well, it's freaks and geeks.

[1337] Yeah.

[1338] You're on too old.

[1339] Like cult.

[1340] I want a few.

[1341] Yeah.

[1342] Freaks and geeks and then party down.

[1343] What was another one?

[1344] I feel like maybe this movie I did Bachelorette found its audience later.

[1345] Even mean girls had a whole second life once the internet got its talents in it.

[1346] Yeah, it for girls is like smoking the bandit for boys or something.

[1347] It's always going to be appealing.

[1348] Yeah.

[1349] Now I'm friends with the parents and they're talking about like their 12 -year -old daughters watching it.

[1350] It's wild.

[1351] It's 20 years old.

[1352] Oh, my God.

[1353] I know.

[1354] I know.

[1355] Somebody told me that today.

[1356] Like, oh, fucking out.

[1357] How?

[1358] How?

[1359] I get two feelings about that because now I'm at the 20 -year mark for things as well.

[1360] And first is like, hey, yeah, okay, that's too much time.

[1361] The other part of me goes like, well, you did it, man. You really hung in there for 20 years.

[1362] It's almost impossible.

[1363] So it's like I first am shocked by my age, but then I'm insanely grateful.

[1364] That's the only way to be.

[1365] It's like, you're still here.

[1366] Still doing it.

[1367] Probably you're still here.

[1368] You never know.

[1369] You look at all the different paths that it could have gone down, down to like the roles that you got you the next role.

[1370] You just don't know when you're in it and when you're starting and you're not looking back.

[1371] It's wild that any of us stick with it.

[1372] Yeah.

[1373] The fact that you had auditioned for Masters of Sex, and it was months and months where you weren't sure if you were cast and you were actually having to pass up on things.

[1374] Yes.

[1375] That's a crazy experience.

[1376] And I'm curious how you had the conviction to do that.

[1377] And then how panicked were you as you were watching time slip away and opportunities slip away?

[1378] I don't know how.

[1379] And I know that I've been that person to a lot of my actor friends and I know that I've pissed off a lot of their agents.

[1380] And I'm like, don't do it.

[1381] Don't take the money grab.

[1382] Hold off for this thing that might happen for you.

[1383] Like I've gotten stern talkings too by other people's agents.

[1384] Like let them go make money.

[1385] But it was all I ever wanted was to be on one of these prestige cable shows.

[1386] I loved the material so much.

[1387] I loved the character.

[1388] It was a real person, Virginia Johnson.

[1389] And because I had been doing primarily comedy, that goal to be on one of those shows just didn't really feel within my grasp at all.

[1390] And then all of a sudden, it kind of was.

[1391] And then just the idea that it might happen was more exciting than any of the other opportunities that were coming my way.

[1392] It did feel risky.

[1393] And I was definitely told like, okay, maybe it's time to move on from this thing.

[1394] I don't know why I held firm.

[1395] There's like a few times that I think I've done that in my career.

[1396] I don't know why.

[1397] Where it came from.

[1398] Yeah.

[1399] That's one of the more seminal experiences of your life, I'd imagine.

[1400] You did three years of that show.

[1401] You were nominated for an Emmy four, but we don't talk about the third season.

[1402] Okay.

[1403] Okay.

[1404] We don't talk about me. I was tangentially connected to that show because you guys would always make that show on the off season of Parenthood.

[1405] Of course.

[1406] So the crew.

[1407] And we had everyone, right?

[1408] Yes.

[1409] Did you have Mike Weaver?

[1410] Yes.

[1411] Tignini.

[1412] Yes, Eric Tannini.

[1413] I love him.

[1414] How about Arthur, Skippy, Afrikano.

[1415] Yes, and he did Fleischman.

[1416] Oh, he did?

[1417] Yeah, I hadn't seen him.

[1418] He moved to New York, so I hadn't seen him in forever.

[1419] I love him so much.

[1420] God, so many.

[1421] And Mona, little Mona.

[1422] Oh, my God.

[1423] Mona.

[1424] That was her own nickname she gave herself.

[1425] She's like one of my favorite people in the world.

[1426] I'm so glad you just called out Mona.

[1427] Yeah, she was the best.

[1428] She's engaged.

[1429] She is.

[1430] Oh my God.

[1431] That makes me so happy.

[1432] She's like in Atlanta, killing it.

[1433] It was the last multi -season show that I did.

[1434] And it really was not.

[1435] I really do miss that.

[1436] I would love to do that again.

[1437] I always hear people talk about the crew.

[1438] And, yeah, I get along with a handful of every crew I'm on.

[1439] And, yeah, they're all talented and all those things.

[1440] But I'd not have the family experience.

[1441] And I think it really helps.

[1442] Like, all those people we just mentioned are like home run people.

[1443] Totally.

[1444] Stay tuned for more armchair expert if you dare.

[1445] Okay.

[1446] Now, I'm just asking you, and I'm embarrassed I haven't watched the show.

[1447] Which show?

[1448] Masters of Sex.

[1449] I blame Showtime.

[1450] Go for it.

[1451] I'm just never on that platform to then stumble, whatever the case may be.

[1452] You're forgiven.

[1453] But I'm very interested in the premise of the show.

[1454] I'm just wondering if you can tell me about Virginia Johnson a little bit.

[1455] I can.

[1456] It's about Masters in Johnson, who were these sex researchers in the 50s.

[1457] Really quickly, she's not part of any Johnson and Johnson family.

[1458] That has nothing to do with that.

[1459] Nothing to do with that.

[1460] Okay.

[1461] She was like a twice -divorced mother of two lounge singer who wanted to like go back school.

[1462] And so she started working as a secretary in this medical school and meets this man, this very esteemed obstetrician.

[1463] And they end up working together on this top secret project because he was very fixated and fascinated by the fact that nobody had ever studied what happens to your body when you have sex.

[1464] Physiologically.

[1465] And he was like a fertility doctor as well.

[1466] So he was in that realm, but not really.

[1467] And so then they started doing the research together.

[1468] Oh, God.

[1469] But first, before that, he was going to brothels because prostitutes were the only ones who would like let him hide in the closet and like write down facts and figures.

[1470] And then he meets this woman, Virginia Johnson, because he's super awkward and can't really talk to people, makes everybody uncomfortable.

[1471] And she's very personable.

[1472] And they team up.

[1473] And then they're doing the research with the prostitutes.

[1474] And then they start doing the research with each other.

[1475] which is basically like they wired each other up and then would have sex with each other.

[1476] Unbelievable.

[1477] Did they fall in love?

[1478] Yes.

[1479] They did.

[1480] Yes, but it's very complicated.

[1481] Yeah, I mean, but it was very...

[1482] Kets some feelings.

[1483] I think they were soulmates.

[1484] He was married.

[1485] They didn't end up getting married to each other until like 20 years after they met.

[1486] And the marriage I don't think was great, but I don't fully remember why.

[1487] And then they split up and heal.

[1488] like went and married his high school sweetheart and then like lived out the rest of his life happily ever after.

[1489] And she, I think, harbored a lot of resentment.

[1490] She died between shooting the pilot of Masters of Sex and the series.

[1491] And I never got to speak to her.

[1492] And she wasn't like super game to me. No. And I really wanted to.

[1493] I wrote her a letter and everything.

[1494] She only really spoke out about what really happened between them.

[1495] And they did this like unbelievable work.

[1496] What's some of the best breakthroughs or things they discovered.

[1497] Well, before them, it was very much any sexual dysfunction in a couple was the woman's fault.

[1498] Yeah.

[1499] They studied like the female orgasm a lot, which was something that was like never, ever, ever studied.

[1500] They figured out fertility problems and erectile dysfunctional all this is oftentimes.

[1501] It has nothing to do with the woman.

[1502] Like, imagine that.

[1503] Any science around this stuff started with them.

[1504] Yeah.

[1505] Yeah.

[1506] Before them it was Kinsey, but a lot of it was people really just listen to Freud who really said not great things about women and their sexuality.

[1507] So I really wanted to speak to her and hang out with her.

[1508] And I was like, can go to St. Louis?

[1509] I'd do anything.

[1510] She didn't want to do it, I think, because the whole series was based on this one book.

[1511] It's the only source material.

[1512] It was her telling their story to this author, Thomas Mayer.

[1513] And it was like hundreds of hours of interviews and tape.

[1514] And he let me have the tapes.

[1515] Then I think she was just sort of done.

[1516] She, like, wanted to tell it once, that's it.

[1517] Let it go.

[1518] Yeah.

[1519] Okay, here's a mildly perverted question.

[1520] Are there shows that you would love for America to watch, but maybe not your friends?

[1521] That one?

[1522] Because you're nude a lot in it, right?

[1523] Yeah.

[1524] I would say it's a feather in my cap that I haven't seen the show, because I think you're attractive.

[1525] I thought that for years and I didn't go watch.

[1526] So I weirdly feel like that's positive.

[1527] It's less weird now thinking about it.

[1528] I'm glad that it's been documented, a pre -baby body.

[1529] Yeah, I think a lot of people, Chris and I talk about this all the time, is that you have this whole phase of your career where it's like you don't want to do nudity because then that's all you're going to do.

[1530] That's all you get hired to do.

[1531] And then you hit a certain age and you're like, I should have done more nudity.

[1532] I know back when it was nice.

[1533] Has she done it?

[1534] Yeah.

[1535] And in fact, I was really not going to bring this up because it feels like the most basic statement and it feels misogynistic to observe.

[1536] But I was watching fatal attraction last night.

[1537] And you guys have a super hot fucking scene.

[1538] And it's a long one.

[1539] I haven't seen it.

[1540] I have not seen it.

[1541] It's great.

[1542] I'll tell you an amazing fucking scene.

[1543] Have you watched beef?

[1544] No, I have to watch beef.

[1545] Oh, there's a sex scene in there that I'm like, they did it.

[1546] Really?

[1547] I thought shame did it.

[1548] That one scene in the hotel room where they show the whole thing from the kissing to the way it escalates.

[1549] I'm like, oh, my God, they got it.

[1550] I got the mirror neurons of like, oh, we're getting high, right?

[1551] It's so hard to do it right.

[1552] I mean, I'm with you on that.

[1553] And they did it.

[1554] And then beef did it.

[1555] I got to.

[1556] I'm dying to watch beef.

[1557] But your guys is was great.

[1558] And I could not help.

[1559] but think because I'd been a partner to it.

[1560] Like Kristen had a couple babies.

[1561] Yeah.

[1562] And then there's that first movie back where it's like, all right, titties are out again.

[1563] And she did it with insane confidence and looked great.

[1564] Yeah.

[1565] And I just could not not be aware of that.

[1566] Like, oh, Lizzie must be so delighted with this.

[1567] I haven't seen it.

[1568] I haven't seen it.

[1569] You look great.

[1570] Thank you, Dax.

[1571] You look great.

[1572] And it's a very sexy scene.

[1573] It's a wild thing that that's going to be on TV.

[1574] In your living room.

[1575] I think also the whiplash of nudity, sure, but I shot Fleischman is in trouble the first six months of the year, then flew back to L .A. and started Fatal Attraction like a month later.

[1576] In very opposite roles.

[1577] I mean, real whiplash.

[1578] And the Libby character in Fleischman is supposed to be somebody who gives no shits at all about her appearance.

[1579] I mean, my baby was three months old.

[1580] I hadn't given a shit about my appearance for, like, the entire pregnancy.

[1581] And then COVID was right before the pregnant.

[1582] Almost a decade of not giving a fuck.

[1583] Honestly, that's what it felt like hair was like very long and I just looked insane.

[1584] Just the mental shift of, oh, right, I have to kind of access this other side.

[1585] That was a challenge.

[1586] With a new baby, it's very hard to switch back into that.

[1587] French women, I hear, are great at it.

[1588] Oh, is that the truth?

[1589] Yes, so they're great at it even when they're pregnant.

[1590] And then as soon as they have the baby, they're like, remember me?

[1591] I'm the sexual object.

[1592] Remember me?

[1593] I'm still popping.

[1594] Yeah, I'm like, I'm still waiting for that.

[1595] Just as well said, and only sex will cure it.

[1596] Fatal Attraction, really quick, premise -wise.

[1597] Have you seen fatal attraction, Monica?

[1598] Oh, it's so good, Monica.

[1599] It's like, it's so good.

[1600] What was that writer's name?

[1601] He was like the hottest thing.

[1602] Adrian Lyme.

[1603] And he also wrote Showgirls.

[1604] Yes.

[1605] He was on fire.

[1606] He was getting like $5 million a script, and all of them were trashy as fuck, but I love many of them.

[1607] Showgirls has the greatest poster of any movie.

[1608] It's her whole body and one leg, but she's, like, covered up almost like she's wearing a robe.

[1609] You've got to look at the visual.

[1610] Oh, uh -huh.

[1611] Oh, yeah.

[1612] You're right.

[1613] Very memorable.

[1614] The second I see that on.

[1615] Yeah, that is good.

[1616] It's a great poster.

[1617] Really nice one sheet, guys.

[1618] And a classic film.

[1619] Very, very classic.

[1620] So Fatal Attraction as a movie.

[1621] Is this Michelle Pfeiffer?

[1622] Glenn Close.

[1623] Glenn Close.

[1624] I'm thinking of what lies beneath.

[1625] But it's in that world.

[1626] Yes.

[1627] Yes.

[1628] What's the original of it?

[1629] that world.

[1630] It started that.

[1631] Erotic thriller zone.

[1632] So beautiful, luminous Anne Archer, Glenn Close, goddess, and Michael Douglas.

[1633] Yeah.

[1634] At his peak.

[1635] I'm remembering now, and it's been a long time since I saw that movie, but Nate and I used to watch that occasionally because you get a full reverse nude of Michael Douglas, and he has got her up against the wall, and he's really squeezing his butt cheeks.

[1636] And we were, Nate and I were inordinately interested in Mike Douglas's butt cheeks.

[1637] Because in our mind, they were one thing.

[1638] And then when we would watch it, it was always like, oh, right, they look like that.

[1639] We often were checking out that scene.

[1640] You were checking out all the male butt cheek scenes together.

[1641] That's right.

[1642] We had like kind of a little movie club.

[1643] There was like eight of us.

[1644] The only movie you could suggest had to have ample male nudity.

[1645] And what was the best butt you saw?

[1646] Tango and Cash.

[1647] Kurt Russell and Stavester Stallone.

[1648] And there's just way too long of a scene of those two walking away.

[1649] And they have such different butts.

[1650] One of them's butt crack is centimeters above the anus.

[1651] is where it starts is interesting.

[1652] Wait, that's so, yeah, I didn't know there was such disparity in crack.

[1653] Yeah.

[1654] There's a lot of personality in the crack of a butt.

[1655] And I'm specific about, I have preferences.

[1656] For sure.

[1657] A little long crack.

[1658] Yeah, I wanted to start in between your shoulder blades and then end at your ankles.

[1659] Ideally.

[1660] Oh my God, weird.

[1661] And then another movie that made it in in the same film club, I'm calling it a film club, is Body Heat.

[1662] There's a scene where William Hurt gets off of, I'm forgetting the actress.

[1663] They've been laying on each other for so long in the scene that clearly he's sweat.

[1664] And then when he gets up, the penis is stuck to her abdomen.

[1665] And it's limp, right?

[1666] So it's like it stretches as it detaches itself from the, it's the most incredible bit of penis work I've ever seen in a film.

[1667] Those were the days.

[1668] And we don't even know her name.

[1669] And she has a penis stuck to her.

[1670] It led us to this whole thing where it's like, well, they're definitely having sex.

[1671] They had sex in the trailer before the scene.

[1672] How else would he be that limp with his bare penis?

[1673] This is back.

[1674] There was no intimacy coach.

[1675] His penis is on her body.

[1676] There are a few examples of that where they were like, and we actually did have sex.

[1677] Yeah.

[1678] What's the one that?

[1679] I feel like Donald Sutherland don't look back.

[1680] What is it?

[1681] It's a great movie.

[1682] It's a class.

[1683] And Sutherland's doing some pounding.

[1684] Yeah.

[1685] I feel like it might be known like they've admitted it.

[1686] The other one that was really rumored was Lisa Bonnet and Mickey Rourke at both of their peak powers in Angel Heart.

[1687] Whoa.

[1688] And it's a fucking hot love making scene.

[1689] Wouldn't shock me at all if there was penetration.

[1690] Wild.

[1691] Yeah.

[1692] Don't look now.

[1693] Don't look now.

[1694] Don't look now.

[1695] But look now.

[1696] But look now.

[1697] Don't look now.

[1698] Wait, what's your favorite sex scene of all time?

[1699] This is a great question.

[1700] I mean, the scene in don't look now is pretty.

[1701] It works.

[1702] Oh, my God.

[1703] I hope I'm not misremembering.

[1704] But it's spliced together with them getting dressed and leaving.

[1705] But it's like going back and forth.

[1706] It's just like.

[1707] Flashback.

[1708] Yeah.

[1709] It's really good.

[1710] You know what beautifully done.

[1711] one like that.

[1712] And it's not an explicit sex scene, but it's so romantic is out of sight between Jay -Lo and Clooney.

[1713] And they're cutting back and forth between them talking at the restaurant and flirting and then being in the bedroom and taking their clothes off.

[1714] That is hot.

[1715] There's some great ones.

[1716] I mean, I love the fatal attraction film sex scenes.

[1717] Like, they're amazing.

[1718] I gotta watch it.

[1719] Yeah.

[1720] Douglas is going for broke.

[1721] Do you remember the scene where they're like up on the kitchen counter like up by the sink and she just starts like rubbing water over both of them?

[1722] Like, Bold.

[1723] Bold move.

[1724] High risk.

[1725] Oh, yeah.

[1726] They were just after nine and a half weeks.

[1727] Did you ever see that one?

[1728] Another legendary sex film.

[1729] Yes.

[1730] And there's a lot of food use.

[1731] And I think that worked.

[1732] They were like, America's ready for this.

[1733] Let's splash water all over each other.

[1734] I wonder if that was in the script or if it was improv.

[1735] It's such a very specific.

[1736] But it really works.

[1737] And even though there's some scenes in fatal attraction, when you remember it, you're like, God, there's so much nudity in it, but there's really not.

[1738] Just Douglas's ass.

[1739] Sheaks.

[1740] Doug this ass.

[1741] And then, like, her in bed where, you know, it was like 1987.

[1742] So they always cropped it at the waist instead of, you know, at the neck.

[1743] Oh, right.

[1744] So she's just like having a conversation, but like very topless.

[1745] Her breasts are out.

[1746] Yeah.

[1747] I saw you were getting interviewed somewhere.

[1748] And I think you pointed out he virtually never even says sorry to her.

[1749] America just hates her guts.

[1750] Yeah.

[1751] It's a very odd thing that film because it really does hold up in so many ways.

[1752] And even though it feels very 1987, it's still scared.

[1753] It's still very erotic.

[1754] It's still suspenseful.

[1755] Like, it delivers.

[1756] But partly, like, time constraints, but also, like, the audiences in 1987, there was no inclination to do a deeper dive.

[1757] For them, it worked really well for it to be like, this really nice guy with a beautiful wife and child and great career.

[1758] Makes one little mistake.

[1759] Yeah, exactly.

[1760] This horrible, disgusting woman.

[1761] This monster.

[1762] Siren.

[1763] And she deserves to fucking die for this.

[1764] And it really was that.

[1765] But she's getting a little crazy, no?

[1766] This is my memory of it.

[1767] Sure.

[1768] But they wrote her to be that.

[1769] Also, he never apologizes to his wife other than the consequences.

[1770] Yeah, of course.

[1771] I know.

[1772] Other than the consequences that come from this woman stalking him and everything that she does, there's no bigger consequences to this.

[1773] Like, consequences within his own marriage.

[1774] Yes, everybody on earth wanted her to fucking die.

[1775] Yeah, some people say it was like a comment on a working single woman being like a demon.

[1776] That's what it's addressing, right, is basically this is a response to women in the workplace.

[1777] Yes.

[1778] And high up.

[1779] I like that assessment of it.

[1780] The movie literally ends with a slow pushing on a photo of Michael Douglas and his wife and child smiling, like with their dog.

[1781] like domesticity prevails.

[1782] Ew.

[1783] And then shortly thereafter we had Demi Moore was in a movie.

[1784] Disclosure.

[1785] Yeah, so poor Mike Douglas gets sexually harassed by his boss Timor.

[1786] By the way, butt, get over it.

[1787] We were running with all these ideas.

[1788] Well, fuck if women are in managerial positions.

[1789] What if they?

[1790] Yeah.

[1791] It's wild.

[1792] And so while I do get, you know, as soon as anybody hears that there's like a retelling or a reboot, everybody's like, why are you doing that?

[1793] Why would you fucking do this much?

[1794] favorite movie.

[1795] It's perfect.

[1796] I get that.

[1797] I've been that person.

[1798] Have you?

[1799] I kind of have.

[1800] Like, when I hear things, I'm like, oh, what?

[1801] Chips.

[1802] Yeah, I was so pissed about chips, man. I was online.

[1803] I was leading the brigade.

[1804] Sure.

[1805] I do think there's more story to tell with these characters.

[1806] I want to see him punished more, which our show definitely does.

[1807] And I want to know more about Alex Forrest.

[1808] I think all audiences in 2023 are not so good with the, oh, she's a crazy bitch that needs to die.

[1809] Yes.

[1810] The Glenn Close of it all is extra wild because she's so amazing in the movie.

[1811] And I've read enough of her interviews about it that she really did do all the work.

[1812] Like she gave Alex Forrest a very vivid, detailed backstory, all about her mental illnesses, all about her childhood.

[1813] And she is playing that in that movie.

[1814] and you can see it.

[1815] Yeah.

[1816] But you can see it if you're looking for it.

[1817] And if you're not looking for it, the movie works on its own without that.

[1818] But she is gunning for it.

[1819] And she has been really vocal about how disappointed she's been in the treatment of the character.

[1820] I have very strong memories of how fucked up she was as a character, not in the evil way.

[1821] I was getting all that.

[1822] Extremely lonely and confused and all these wonderful things.

[1823] And this person seemed like a lifeline.

[1824] Mm -hmm.

[1825] Yeah.

[1826] That's exactly it.

[1827] And yet bitch deserves to do.

[1828] Die.

[1829] Get her, get her, get her.

[1830] Truly, I cannot wait to finish it.

[1831] It starts off with Joshua Jackson.

[1832] We first meet him.

[1833] He's bearded.

[1834] He's in a prison, and he is playing with a parole board to release him.

[1835] And we find out in that that he has murdered somebody.

[1836] And then we flash back.

[1837] You're meeting somebody who's, by all accounts, Joshua's character.

[1838] He's nailing it.

[1839] He's got integrity, way more than the other people he works with.

[1840] He's a district attorney.

[1841] He's about to become a judge.

[1842] Everything's honky dory.

[1843] Amanda Pita's wife is supportive and wonderful.

[1844] They have a child.

[1845] Everything's great.

[1846] And then all of a sudden, this person just starts popping around.

[1847] He's getting an elevator and it closes.

[1848] And the last thing he sees is you in an all red dress.

[1849] And we go watch out.

[1850] Good.

[1851] Yeah, yeah.

[1852] It's so good.

[1853] And I'm super sucked into the plot.

[1854] It's strong.

[1855] I will take it.

[1856] We just did the press junket yesterday.

[1857] So I think I can speak safely for Josh because I heard him answer this question.

[1858] now, but his whole thing, and he was very adamant about not wanting to let his character, the Dan Gallagher character, off the hook in any way.

[1859] He wanted him to have real serious consequences.

[1860] And he also really wanted to show that for a guy in his position, a powerful, successful, white guy, everything has just been kind of easy for him, frictionless.

[1861] Silver Tree is the name of the director of the first three episodes.

[1862] So the three of us really kind of broke it all down together.

[1863] The name is Silver Tree?

[1864] Silver Tree.

[1865] She's a wonderful director.

[1866] They wanted when he goes into the office, the doors open for him already.

[1867] Nothing slows her down.

[1868] He never has to wait for the elevator.

[1869] I think one of the most interesting parts of the show is showing how somebody who has enjoyed that privilege his entire life.

[1870] What happens to him when he doesn't get something that he wants?

[1871] And he has no tools to deal with that.

[1872] He fully acts out.

[1873] It's like the adult equivalent of a tantrum reaching out for this other woman.

[1874] and the notion that men like this do not have the tools to deal with any sort of disappointment.

[1875] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[1876] You know, I feel like that part of it hopefully also feels very new.

[1877] Yes.

[1878] That's why men shoot everyone.

[1879] The one men that didn't get everything, they're like, what the, this is broken this system.

[1880] I was supposed to get everything.

[1881] Yeah, the entitlement.

[1882] It's true.

[1883] There's not really been a reason to teach them how to be resilient and deal with disappointment.

[1884] You'd have to make up scenarios for them.

[1885] That's the hard thing.

[1886] It's like they're not approaching you with the problem and then you talk them through.

[1887] You'd have to be like, okay, so imagine something bad were to happen to you.

[1888] Fuck, it's so, so sad.

[1889] There's this line and Fleischman in the book and then it's also in the show because it's around the time of the Trump Clinton election.

[1890] And everybody's walking around with the shirts that say the future is female.

[1891] I had that sweatshirt.

[1892] Yep.

[1893] I have some Hillary Clinton merch.

[1894] Yep.

[1895] I see you.

[1896] But there's this really powerful thing.

[1897] that she writes about how it's like, don't you see that this is bullshit, that if it were true, they wouldn't let girls wear that in front of all the boys.

[1898] The boys would be like, what the fuck?

[1899] But like everybody's cool with this, like, yeah, yeah, buy the t -shirt.

[1900] She compares it to that, like, free beer tomorrow.

[1901] It's placating.

[1902] Beyond.

[1903] We're all, like, complicit in this to be like, you're special and nobody believes it to the point that you can say that to a girl in front of a boy, and the boy's not like, well, why am I not special?

[1904] Boys just like in on it.

[1905] Everybody's in on it.

[1906] Right, right.

[1907] That's really true.

[1908] Well, they tried the same thing as Obama being president.

[1909] Like, problem solved.

[1910] Good news, black folks.

[1911] Everything's hunky -dory now.

[1912] And then they get the women were like, yeah, wear their sweatshers.

[1913] Everything's great.

[1914] You guys won.

[1915] And that's the same level of.

[1916] What's next?

[1917] Yeah.

[1918] Yeah.

[1919] These things are going to take a while to solve.

[1920] Well, that one didn't even.

[1921] Nope, sure didn't.

[1922] Didn't even pan out to the effect that we could say we solved it.

[1923] No. Seemingly got worse.

[1924] Yeah, exactly.

[1925] But no, I'm telling you, Lizzie, I'm fully addicted to the show.

[1926] I will be consuming all of it in rapid succession.

[1927] This makes me very happy.

[1928] Yeah, it's fucking great.

[1929] You're great.

[1930] I think this guy would be a fool not to flush it all away for her.

[1931] Thank you.

[1932] Thank you.

[1933] I think that's probably the takeaway that you should have, most likely.

[1934] The girl looks a certain kind of way.

[1935] Flush it.

[1936] Flush that wife.

[1937] Well, Lizzie, I hope.

[1938] Are you guys back for a minute?

[1939] No, you're just home promoting.

[1940] I leave on a red eye tonight.

[1941] Oh, my.

[1942] Because of New York City.

[1943] Oh, my God.

[1944] It's so fast.

[1945] Oh, man. Just got here, too.

[1946] It's like a whole thing.

[1947] Well, you can make it there.

[1948] Oh, that can make it anywhere.

[1949] Whoa.

[1950] Also, can you send me some shopping wrecks for London?

[1951] Yeah.

[1952] Because I'm going in June.

[1953] What are you looking to shop for?

[1954] Everything.

[1955] Mainly home and clothes.

[1956] Done.

[1957] Clothes for home.

[1958] Home clothes.

[1959] Bedroom clothes, lounge clothes.

[1960] How often are you guys eating at Lena stores?

[1961] Really?

[1962] We loved it.

[1963] Listen to me. When we were just there again, we ate there all four nights in a row that we were there.

[1964] I think about Lena stores twice a day.

[1965] You're not blown away.

[1966] I don't have like a specific drag of Lena stores, but I went there because I was like, Lena Stores.

[1967] You were underwhelmed.

[1968] There's such incredible food in London.

[1969] I think it's kind of the most exciting food place right now.

[1970] I will give you a full list.

[1971] It took them 1100 years to get together, but boy, they're here now.

[1972] It's so true.

[1973] In their English way, they plodded.

[1974] They did.

[1975] They stayed calm.

[1976] Yeah, they had the time and they took it.

[1977] Even when I started going there, like eight years ago, the food was horrible.

[1978] Now it's like.

[1979] Yeah, they're like, hey, we do Coke and we have great food.

[1980] Come on by.

[1981] Right?

[1982] Don't do too much Coke that you can't enjoy some of the fine food.

[1983] But probably the Coke is what delayed the good restaurants.

[1984] Yeah, exactly.

[1985] Yeah, there was no need.

[1986] Nobody needed it.

[1987] There was no neat.

[1988] All right, well, I adore you.

[1989] And, of course, my wife loves your husband.

[1990] Your wife is one of her favorite co -stars of all times.

[1991] So, you know, let's try to get another double on the books within the next four years.

[1992] Consider it done.

[1993] Don't you also think that there's a weird, like our spouses work together.

[1994] And so don't you feel like related?

[1995] No. What I do feel is like you and I should do a project together.

[1996] Yeah, to get back at them.

[1997] Well, just like it would feel like there'd be some symmetry that doesn't exist yet.

[1998] My husband made out with your wife.

[1999] In a passionate way.

[2000] Yeah.

[2001] It was the equivalent of the thing you just did.

[2002] Maybe there was another earlier unveiling.

[2003] I don't know.

[2004] She unveils it a lot now, which I love.

[2005] Go for her.

[2006] And you want that co -star, like Tom or in my case, Josh, who has a baby himself and is like, tell me where to put my hand so that it's blocking anything weird for you.

[2007] Angel.

[2008] Absolute fucking angel.

[2009] Oh, that's really nice.

[2010] That's the move.

[2011] That's the move.

[2012] The only way.

[2013] Good job, Josh.

[2014] Yeah.

[2015] Well, done, Josh.

[2016] Zaja.

[2017] Ja -ja.

[2018] J -ja.

[2019] Yeah.

[2020] So, yeah.

[2021] Okay.

[2022] Well, I adore you.

[2023] And again, I look forward to our next group hang.

[2024] I'm so down.

[2025] And now that you have a baby.

[2026] It would be ridiculous to not hang with us because who the fuck else are you going to hang with?

[2027] I mean, nobody.

[2028] Because we're kid friendly.

[2029] I want to bring my kid here and tie him to a long leash and just let him wander around the grounds.

[2030] We have some good size hawks and some coyotes, but yeah.

[2031] That's fine.

[2032] He'll take a coyote.

[2033] He's a fucking huge.

[2034] He needs some adversity.

[2035] He's a white guy.

[2036] He's a white guy.

[2037] He's a white guy.

[2038] A cup of tea.

[2039] A cup of tea.

[2040] Oh, my God.

[2041] All right.

[2042] Adore you.

[2043] Thanks, guys.

[2044] Stay tuned for the fact.

[2045] So you can hear all the facts that were wrong.

[2046] Oh, you just hit me with a bombshell when you walked in, Monty.

[2047] Oh.

[2048] What's going on over there?

[2049] Wait, we're doing a fact check right now?

[2050] Yes.

[2051] What on earth did you think I was suggesting?

[2052] Starting this now.

[2053] Oh, no, those people will not be there.

[2054] Yeah, they're not here.

[2055] That's when I'm, okay.

[2056] We're going to do 20 minutes right now.

[2057] Oh, two parts.

[2058] What do they say we're starting on our back foot?

[2059] No, starting on the wrong foot.

[2060] The wrong foot.

[2061] Also, they say your back foot in England.

[2062] Oh, my God.

[2063] I say that?

[2064] I hear nonstop in the Formula on broadcasts.

[2065] Oh, really?

[2066] Yes, that they were starting on their back foot, meaning they are undermined somehow.

[2067] And you're sure that's a thing that F1 drivers face, it's something about that.

[2068] I want to hear the literal interpretation.

[2069] They're using the back of their foot to hit the brake or something.

[2070] It has very specific to front of them.

[2071] Well, funny you'd say that Monica Padman, Before the advent of the dual clutch transmission or the multi -clutch transmission, that's in current Formula One cars, where you just hit a little lever to switch gears.

[2072] You used to obviously have to push the clutch in.

[2073] Obviously.

[2074] That left them with a conundra, Monica.

[2075] Two feet, three pedals.

[2076] And all three pedals need to work at the same time when going into a corner really fast.

[2077] Because they're going really fast.

[2078] They're in six gear, let's say.

[2079] And they got a downshift.

[2080] So push the clutch in, put it up a gear, let the clutch out.

[2081] The problem is the engine's spinning so fast when it went from 6 to 5th gear.

[2082] If they just let the clutch out, it'll lock up the rear end and it'll rev the motor too high.

[2083] So as they're letting the clutch out and they're braking really hard into the turn, they have to have their foot sideways poking the throttle as they let the clutch out to bring the engine up to speed to catch up with the gears.

[2084] And they got a downshift like five times.

[2085] Clutch in, break on, gas poke.

[2086] And they were doing all that.

[2087] It's called heel -toe braking.

[2088] that's how they used to have to drive those cars.

[2089] Okay.

[2090] So they're busy down there.

[2091] They're tap dancing they're away around the circuit.

[2092] So that's probably what the foot thing means?

[2093] No, I think it is completely separate from that.

[2094] Oh, God.

[2095] So that was a waste.

[2096] Starting on your back foot.

[2097] No, but I'm just saying you did have a plausible argument.

[2098] Okay.

[2099] Thank you.

[2100] It was in reference to the heel, toe days.

[2101] I built your argument for you.

[2102] But then when I shot it down.

[2103] Yeah.

[2104] You're really trying to mess with me. It makes messies.

[2105] Try to keep on your back toes.

[2106] Oh, my back foot.

[2107] But I think when you talk like that, it must be what it sounds like when I'm talking about, what, clothes?

[2108] Where, like, I can't even grab one thread of what you're saying.

[2109] And then I have to, like, I really have to check out until it's over.

[2110] I've never had that experience while you're talking.

[2111] Yeah, I think because you wear clothes.

[2112] So you understand clothes.

[2113] I do emotional check out.

[2114] Like, if you're upset and then I start getting upset.

[2115] I like will emotionally check out because it's we don't need it that's like a different thing that's that's a different thing this is actually the words you're saying they make no sense to me right you're hearing a lot of them for the first time because I don't it's not like you're teaching me about anthropology yeah where I would be interested the social sciences yeah but I'm not interested in learning about cars you know I'm just not so I wonder what the equivalent is of something that has such vernacular and jargon.

[2116] Well, I don't know how in -depth or esoteric the makeup world gets, but that holds zero interest to me. Hmm.

[2117] But it does because I have to wear makeup sometimes, so it's not completely foreign to me. Yeah, remember you liked the Victoria Beckham serum.

[2118] Not past tense.

[2119] I like.

[2120] I'm wearing it today.

[2121] Yeah.

[2122] I put on a full face of makeup virtually with that.

[2123] As I'm spreading it out, I'm like, oh, yeah, this is makeup.

[2124] My whole face is a different color.

[2125] now.

[2126] But it's a serum.

[2127] Let's just be.

[2128] Not the serum, the tinted moisturizer.

[2129] Oh, you're doing the tinted moisturizer.

[2130] Of course, with the gold sparkles and it does it.

[2131] It has glitter in it and gold.

[2132] Oh, my God.

[2133] Well, it is a different color because that's what tinted moisturizer is.

[2134] Yeah, it's to replace foundation.

[2135] Yes, and that's what I'm using it for.

[2136] Are you using it now?

[2137] I use it every day.

[2138] Now, since I've put it on, I also hiked.

[2139] Okay.

[2140] So it's off.

[2141] I cold plunged.

[2142] Oh, and sawed?

[2143] And then I took a nap, a 22 minute nap.

[2144] Oh.

[2145] But how do I look?

[2146] You look?

[2147] Because I've put all of that through the ringer.

[2148] You look great.

[2149] I think it's off.

[2150] Which will happen.

[2151] That will happen.

[2152] Does that mean I need more moisturizer?

[2153] Am I face drying out?

[2154] No, no, no, no. The moisturizer has sunk in.

[2155] But the tinted disappears?

[2156] I don't.

[2157] I don't like tinted moisturizers.

[2158] You don't need them though because you're brown.

[2159] I know.

[2160] I don't need them.

[2161] Yeah, you're brown.

[2162] So it's not fair that I'm saying that.

[2163] I'm translucent and look like a fucking monster.

[2164] I think it's, no, you don't.

[2165] Don't say that about.

[2166] you i think you can see veins and stuff no sinewy tendons you love veins i do veins and scars and what is my veins and scars and scars and scars and veins is my new coffee company oh yeah yeah i forgot you're right i really shouldn't speak on it because i don't you're blessed i have brown skin yeah fuck i just i got thrown in i didn't know what was happening your scatty wampas for sure yeah and we were I was even trying to conduct this fact check, and I said to you, wow, you came in and hit me with a head scrambler.

[2167] Like, you came in with huge news just now into the attic.

[2168] I did.

[2169] And I didn't realize it was going to affect you so much.

[2170] Of course, because I know him.

[2171] I've known him for 20 years.

[2172] I guess I forget that.

[2173] Because you're not in touch.

[2174] Not currently.

[2175] No, I haven't been for a while.

[2176] Can we say what happened?

[2177] I used to be.

[2178] Well, yeah, that you just, you came in and told me that Daniel Masterson has been convicted of rape.

[2179] Yeah.

[2180] Which is wild.

[2181] Yeah.

[2182] Yeah, and I thought, I guess I thought it was regular old news, but your face and voice and the words I came out.

[2183] Let's put it this way.

[2184] I need some tier between friend and acquaintance.

[2185] Yeah.

[2186] He's not an acquaintance.

[2187] I've hung out with him a million times.

[2188] I've been to his apartment in New York.

[2189] When I hung out with Ashton a lot when I was younger, he was always around.

[2190] Those two were best friends.

[2191] I never hung out with him solo or maybe I did one day in New York.

[2192] But regardless, we have each other's number.

[2193] We would text, I don't know, once every two years.

[2194] So not a friend, but a friend.

[2195] Maybe you should text him before he goes in the chamber.

[2196] What is it called?

[2197] The chomper?

[2198] The slamer?

[2199] Slammer.

[2200] Yeah, the slammer.

[2201] He'll toe on your back foot and the slammer.

[2202] That's another thing I don't have to worry about.

[2203] I don't have to worry about.

[2204] Don't be cocky.

[2205] I feel really good.

[2206] You shouldn't?

[2207] You think I'm going to do something to go to jail?

[2208] Vehicular manslaughter can slide up on people.

[2209] That's an accident.

[2210] I know, but people go to jail for that accident.

[2211] They do?

[2212] Yes.

[2213] And also if you had had like two drinks.

[2214] Oh, my God.

[2215] Yeah, you have a few drinks.

[2216] I'm cutting all this.

[2217] And why?

[2218] For the karma.

[2219] Oh, okay.

[2220] Like, I don't want.

[2221] That erases it and you cut it.

[2222] I don't think I've ever had a friend that's gone to jail for rape.

[2223] I think this is the first friend I've had.

[2224] Okay.

[2225] So I can promise that I definitely like the tinted moisture that I don't need.

[2226] I can promise I will never go to the slammer for rape.

[2227] I can say that for 100 % certainty.

[2228] Yeah.

[2229] But you're right about the other parts.

[2230] There are some dangles.

[2231] Life's trickier than you think it is.

[2232] It is, but not the rape piece.

[2233] Unless somebody lies.

[2234] Is asking for it?

[2235] Yeah, this is.

[2236] Fuck, that's scary.

[2237] This is wild, wild news.

[2238] That's why I don't go on dates.

[2239] So that you don't rape them?

[2240] No, so I don't get accused of rape.

[2241] Okay.

[2242] And then a jury believe men, you know?

[2243] That they've been raped by little women?

[2244] I don't think that many people would believe.

[2245] that to be honest with you if they know me they will believe it well they'd have to spend the trial would be very long the people each juror would have to get to know you for quite a while and realize you're capable any who wow well I'm sorry that I well I shouldn't should I say I'm sorry I'm sorry that this caught you off guard there's other ways for you to go to prison for a sexual misconduct other than rape as well just so you know like if you ever have Matt Damon over and he gets too drunk and then he's passed out on your bed and you're like oh i should remove his shoes so he doesn't wake up with his shoes and you get the shoes out well no socks got to go too boy those jeans look no okay that's that's really bad i'm not doing that i can say for a hundred percent certainty i'm not taking his pants off while he's passed out okay all right for like three glasses of wine no because then he's playing possum maybe him or me you yeah you're pretty deep too You get fucking rapy when I drink, okay?

[2246] I don't.

[2247] You don't drink enough whiskey.

[2248] I don't, actually.

[2249] That's not really my drink.

[2250] Maybe when I get into my mescal era, though.

[2251] You might take all of that demons close off, and then you might look at him.

[2252] You're about to put the sheet over him so you can go night and night.

[2253] But then you notice, let's take in five minutes of this for a mental snapshot.

[2254] Now we're already in a dangerous zone.

[2255] We've been in.

[2256] Once you took his pants and underwear.

[2257] Once I'm starting to touch him and he's passed out, none of this is good.

[2258] This reminds me of crazy.

[2259] I visited this bag when I was still drinking.

[2260] I visited my brother up north Michigan.

[2261] Went out to a bar with him.

[2262] Got too drunk.

[2263] Okay.

[2264] And laid down on a bench outside.

[2265] Okay.

[2266] I wake up to my brother going, what the fuck are you doing?

[2267] And there's a woman, strange woman, kissing me. Well, I'm passed out.

[2268] And my brother interrupted it.

[2269] What?

[2270] Yeah.

[2271] She had unhoused one?

[2272] Not in northern Michigan.

[2273] That's a new problem.

[2274] Yeah, that's...

[2275] Well, it's always been a problem, but...

[2276] Not to the degree it is now.

[2277] Yeah.

[2278] What the fuck?

[2279] Yeah, so that happened to me, and I'm a big boy.

[2280] Well, I was a medium boy then.

[2281] Still, I was tall.

[2282] It's funny, I'm watching Parenthood.

[2283] I'm such a medium.

[2284] I was a light medium boy on that show.

[2285] You are, yeah.

[2286] Okay.

[2287] You were for a...

[2288] I feel like most of when I knew you.

[2289] Yeah.

[2290] You've only become a big boy past three years.

[2291] 20, yeah.

[2292] Back to, oh, the unhouse.

[2293] I saw the most, have you seen this viral video of someone filming in Philadelphia?

[2294] No. Oh, my.

[2295] Oh, no. It's ostensibly a video exposing how bad the trank epidemics getting.

[2296] Oh, no. And it's so interesting.

[2297] It does virtually the same thing to everyone that's fucked up on it.

[2298] They're standing, but they're bent over, like zombies.

[2299] They're bent over, like kind of just.

[2300] hanging in a U shape, but they're standing for some reason.

[2301] Oh, my God.

[2302] And this person's walking with a, you know, a cell phone camera just through a sea of people in 75 % of the people are tranked out.

[2303] No. Yeah.

[2304] It's, it's ghastly.

[2305] It's, it's so alarming to see.

[2306] What are we going to do?

[2307] This is so scary.

[2308] It's a complex.

[2309] It is.

[2310] Yeah.

[2311] Yeah.

[2312] And then, yeah, just like, obviously that shocks you.

[2313] You're like, oh, my God, someone, that's how they're living their life.

[2314] But then you're like, hmm, that person wants to live their life that way.

[2315] Oh, what?

[2316] Do we have any, we don't have any real recourse?

[2317] But we can't have that on the street.

[2318] No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, that's right.

[2319] So then it becomes like, okay, if there's, if it takes away their liberty to prevent them, you know, I don't know what you do, put them under surveillance or whatever, arrest them.

[2320] I don't.

[2321] know how you would monitor them doing that.

[2322] So then it becomes a question of should we provide a safe place for them to all fucking zombie out.

[2323] Yeah.

[2324] That's not in the middle of Philadelphia.

[2325] Yeah.

[2326] But I mean, but being on those drugs, I mean, I don't know because I've never done it.

[2327] I can say I won't go to jail.

[2328] A hundred percent.

[2329] I won't be put in jail for doing trank.

[2330] I know 100%.

[2331] Now, that to me feels jinxy.

[2332] you think I could end up well because I think there's um if anyone's proceeding with the notion that they won't be an addict someday that to me feels like you're jinxing yourself a little bit I think I could fully have to be in sobriety uh -huh I could totally see myself eventually at some point in time having to do that I really really don't think it'll be trying to say 100 % it's not going to be trank.

[2333] Okay.

[2334] It's not.

[2335] But what if you go to Maru, you're like putting, I don't know what's happening, you grab your coffee.

[2336] What you don't know is that's another person had their coffee there was identical.

[2337] And they'd already put their trank in there.

[2338] Oh, my fucking.

[2339] You go home.

[2340] You have your coffee.

[2341] And then you skyrocket into four hours of orgasmic bliss.

[2342] And then you come out of it and you're like, what the fuck was that?

[2343] And then you get your blood chest and turns out you were on trank.

[2344] And you think I'll get arrested for that?

[2345] No. I. I think I'll get addicted.

[2346] Well, you'll be so curious what just happened to me that you'll get blood work done.

[2347] And then the blood work, they'll discover, oh, you were on Trank.

[2348] Right.

[2349] And now you'll know all that ecstasy came from Trank.

[2350] I know.

[2351] I think, I, I, I mean.

[2352] It's very plausible.

[2353] Yeah, that's all extremely plausible at Maru.

[2354] Yeah.

[2355] In fact, it's shocking.

[2356] It hasn't happened.

[2357] For the record, that would not happen at Marr.

[2358] Yeah, that's Rob's investment.

[2359] But, but I think if I found out I was accidentally on Trank from Maru Coffee.

[2360] I would be extremely compassionate for all those people.

[2361] And then do you think I would get addicted after the first time?

[2362] No, I don't.

[2363] I don't.

[2364] I think that's kind of like from the movies.

[2365] But again, you're evaluating all this.

[2366] Now this is getting deeper.

[2367] It was a bit, but now this isn't for real.

[2368] You're evaluating it with your current life.

[2369] And yes, in your current life, you have a lot to lose.

[2370] You're not in a ton of pain.

[2371] You have a big full life.

[2372] I do.

[2373] it's full of friends it's full of happiness it is joy purpose yes compensation new home cut to everything goes sideways you've sold your house you're penniless in l .A you're miserable for three years you can't figure out how to fuck to get back where you were at and then your coffee's replaced okay well i definitely can't be fair to the people that are in that sit you know no i'm not i i hope God, I really hope this is not coming off as I think people have, like, made choices to get themselves.

[2374] It's not.

[2375] It's not.

[2376] Because absolutely not.

[2377] But this is one of those weird things.

[2378] Okay, so yes, you're not doing that.

[2379] Yeah.

[2380] But this is similar to how, like, you're just racist without knowing you're racist.

[2381] Yeah.

[2382] Because a little bit implicit in it, just the fact that you think it couldn't happen to you is, there is some baked in judgment on it.

[2383] There just is.

[2384] No, it's not a judgment.

[2385] As I said, I could totally see myself in sobriety.

[2386] It's that I, honestly, it's because I am so privileged, because I have a support system, because I have a family.

[2387] Because if everything went to fucking shit tomorrow, I'd go home.

[2388] Duluth, here we come.

[2389] I would.

[2390] I'd go home and I would.

[2391] Neil, I'm getting the bigger room.

[2392] He's moving out.

[2393] So I get back to my old high school room.

[2394] I would have people helping me. Yeah, yeah.

[2395] I'm not trying to single you out.

[2396] I think any person, if you estimate, if it would be at all possible for them to get addicted to Trank.

[2397] I think most people would generally go, no, I'm a different type of person than that.

[2398] But I guess that's what I want to differentiate.

[2399] It's not that I don't think I'm a different chemically type of person or that I'm like more resilient or better.

[2400] It's not, I'm not a different type of person.

[2401] I think my circumstances are so privileged that it would be, God, I guess I shouldn't say 100%.

[2402] but it would be really honestly it would be improbable way worse for me way worse for me to get addicted to trank because i do have all of this like love and support yeah that that's dumb if i do that but a lot of people aren't dumb they just don't have options and they don't have a place to go home to or people or anything yeah all kinds of reasons a million reasons yeah but i don't think I have any of those reasons because I am lucky.

[2403] Yeah, and I'm just very biased and weighted in having seen the variety of people that come through the doors.

[2404] Yeah.

[2405] So I'm very, I have Bader Meinhoff.

[2406] Like, I've seen a certain thing, so it's definitely warped my opinion, but my opinion is, it doesn't single anyone out.

[2407] No, I just doesn't single anyone out.

[2408] It's a surgeon.

[2409] It's a pilot.

[2410] It's a this, you know.

[2411] It doesn't, but don't you think there's a sorry, Rob, I can't even see.

[2412] We got to go.

[2413] Yeah, we got bookmark.

[2414] Oh, shit.

[2415] Okay, but hold on, because this is important.

[2416] I'm so with you on it, could be anyone, but don't you think people have different tendencies towards?

[2417] Oh, yeah.

[2418] Like if you're high on the A's, yeah, there's, I think you can definitely wait towards it, for sure.

[2419] I do think there's a huge spectrum of who's most vulnerable.

[2420] Like, do you think Kristen could ever get addicted to trank?

[2421] Like, truly, I mean, like, even physiologically, I kind of don't think so.

[2422] But there's a scenario in which her life is so absolutely miserable that if introduced to relief from that misery.

[2423] Would she take it habitually?

[2424] Maybe.

[2425] It's possible, yeah.

[2426] Fuck.

[2427] Yeah.

[2428] Okay, TBD.

[2429] We were talking about Trank and whether or not you would ever find yourself addicted to it.

[2430] Yeah.

[2431] And we don't think so.

[2432] Well, I guess we're leaning against it.

[2433] The conclusion is we don't know.

[2434] And it could be anyone.

[2435] Could be anyone and it won't be.

[2436] And I didn't mean to shame addicts if that's the way it came across.

[2437] No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Um, yeah.

[2438] Yeah.

[2439] I didn't mean to suggest you did.

[2440] I just meant to point out that like subtle stuff we don't know about.

[2441] I agree.

[2442] I agree.

[2443] You mostly just own your privilege.

[2444] Yeah.

[2445] But I don't know.

[2446] But people who are privileged can also fall.

[2447] Billionaires kill themselves.

[2448] That's what Mike Tyson says.

[2449] Okay.

[2450] This is for Lizzie Kaplan.

[2451] Oh, Lizzie Kaplan.

[2452] Yes.

[2453] Really enjoyed Lizzie Kaplan.

[2454] Me too.

[2455] Very cool.

[2456] He's so cool.

[2457] Very chill.

[2458] Okay.

[2459] So Kristen.

[2460] show.

[2461] We couldn't really say the name right, you know.

[2462] We never can.

[2463] What show?

[2464] The woman in the house across the street from the girl in the window.

[2465] That's what it is.

[2466] Oh, yes.

[2467] That one.

[2468] Yes.

[2469] Say it again.

[2470] The woman in the house.

[2471] Let me see if I can do it with my eyes close.

[2472] The woman in the house across the street from the girl in the window.

[2473] Perfect.

[2474] I did it.

[2475] Ding ding dingles.

[2476] Now her mom died of multiple myeloma.

[2477] Okay.

[2478] So I was just going to tell people what that is.

[2479] Yeah, tell me what it is.

[2480] Multiple myeloma is a cancer that forms in a type of white blood cell called a plasma cell.

[2481] Healthy plasma cells help you fight infections by making antibodies that recognize and attack germs.

[2482] In multiple myeloma, cancerous plasma cells accumulate in the bone marrow and crowd out healthy blood cells.

[2483] More than 50 out of every 100, more than 50 percent, will survive their myeloma for five years or more after diagnosis.

[2484] Around 30 percent will survive their myeloma for over 10 years or more after they're diagnosed.

[2485] that's hard to figure out the rest of your life when you get that range yeah that's what i again i always say about small cell they're like no you're you're gone and three yeah yeah yeah sad she was so young oh we touch on this for a second that she said she wore a shirt that said i am wb pretty do you remember oh yeah yeah i thought that was funny because i remember when mean girls came out on DVD yeah and i bought it there were was a commentary and I you know I love DVD commentary I did yes me too and on the commentary they talked about how they were reluctant to cast her because she is so conventionally pretty uh -huh uh -huh like that they could see well she's really pretty so are we going to be able to cast her as an outcast right right um so then they really like gothed her up exactly yeah that'll explain it sure that all makes sense no scream oh scream oh scream oh scream oh scream oh That's a duck, duck, goose, Easter egg.

[2486] Hidden something.

[2487] We don't know when.

[2488] From the past.

[2489] It's future.

[2490] Okay.

[2491] Okay.

[2492] Okay.

[2493] You made the correlation that people in the program who you know who have come in for addiction to weed often.

[2494] Over index.

[2495] Exactly.

[2496] Are black or Jewish.

[2497] Uh -huh.

[2498] Oh, yeah.

[2499] Let's see.

[2500] that we can substantiate.

[2501] I'm obviously, there's nothing obviously about that.

[2502] But it does say among adolescents who suffered both PTSD and substance abuse disorders in this study, exposure to trauma appeared to induce addiction to a drug like marijuana and up to 59 % of study participants.

[2503] Mm. And there's obviously historical trauma in both groups.

[2504] Yes.

[2505] So that makes sense.

[2506] Yeah.

[2507] Yeah.

[2508] So that does make a little.

[2509] Makes some sense.

[2510] I wonder how that a land for people hearing that that's my anecdotal observation?

[2511] Yeah, I almost cut it.

[2512] I guess it's dangerous, but I also don't think, I think there's no harm in that observation.

[2513] Well, I think you were saying this.

[2514] Yeah, that I think it's a generational trauma.

[2515] Yeah.

[2516] And I think that's okay to say.

[2517] I do too.

[2518] I guess it's just the observing of it to begin with.

[2519] Yes.

[2520] When you first said it, I was like, I'm obviously cutting back.

[2521] Yeah, yeah, you're panicked.

[2522] But then when you kept talking, it made more sense.

[2523] It definitely was, by the way, all this is way more based in when I lived in Michigan and went to meetings in West Bloomfield, which is a very, very high concentration to Jewish people.

[2524] And most of them were not alcoholics, which was very curious.

[2525] I didn't even really consider that people would be in AA for weed, but of course they could be.

[2526] Yeah, because otherwise you would go to NA, narcotics and honest, but any really, and I don't know the full history of it, I don't participate in NA much, but I have an uncle who is very, very involved.

[2527] And I really do think N .A. exploded during the crack epidemic.

[2528] I think it was very crack -heavy.

[2529] Got it.

[2530] And heroin addicts.

[2531] So, again, you could go to that meeting as just an alcoholic.

[2532] They would be fine with it.

[2533] It's a desire to stay sober.

[2534] But I think for weed addicts, that might have felt a little less relatable than functional alcoholism.

[2535] Yeah, totally.

[2536] Trank addicts should go to N .A. probably.

[2537] Yes.

[2538] Yeah.

[2539] I think they would probably feel more seen, would relate more.

[2540] The actress embodied heat, you couldn't remember, Kathleen Turner.

[2541] Yeah, Katie Turney.

[2542] She's in Friends as well.

[2543] Oh, she is?

[2544] She plays Chandler's mom.

[2545] Oh, my gosh.

[2546] It's a great role.

[2547] Let me look her up again.

[2548] Kathleen Turner, Friends.

[2549] This looks right.

[2550] She plays, I think she plays Chandler's dad.

[2551] Yeah, yeah, you're right.

[2552] It's Chandler's dad.

[2553] Uh -oh.

[2554] Was this a, um, out -of -date trans runner?

[2555] Well, I don't know if it's, is it out of date or ahead of its time?

[2556] Well, how did it was it treated comedically, obviously?

[2557] She liked the, she liked the pool boy.

[2558] Okay.

[2559] He caught her with the pool boy when he was just a boy.

[2560] Okay.

[2561] And, but that, but she was his dad.

[2562] It was his dad who was with the pool boy.

[2563] Right.

[2564] And then has a show in Vegas as a woman.

[2565] As a, um, drag queen.

[2566] Yeah.

[2567] Maybe more drag.

[2568] Yeah, there's a drag queen scene.

[2569] But in the show, she's always in drag, I guess.

[2570] But also, she's a woman.

[2571] Okay, interesting.

[2572] She's a woman in real life.

[2573] So this is confusing.

[2574] It's pretty meta and complex and self -reflexic.

[2575] We don't know where to place it.

[2576] And that's okay.

[2577] Yeah, we're not the judge and juror.

[2578] Maybe somebody else can tell us we're in place.

[2579] I'm sure.

[2580] I'm sure they will.

[2581] Oh, wait.

[2582] Hold on immediately.

[2583] Friends creator apologizes.

[2584] Okay.

[2585] That's, you don't need me to read more.

[2586] Probably know what that's about.

[2587] For Kathleen Turner Roll.

[2588] Okay.

[2589] So that's, yeah, my hunch was that probably didn't age well.

[2590] Mistake of making transphobic jokes.

[2591] Okay, yeah, there it is.

[2592] Okay, so now we know it was not, they did a bad job.

[2593] They did a bad job.

[2594] Okay.

[2595] Now, we said Donald Sutherland had real sex in that movie.

[2596] That it's rumored.

[2597] Right.

[2598] We kind of said rumored.

[2599] And then we said maybe that they said, said that.

[2600] Okay.

[2601] Maybe in press they admitted to that?

[2602] Right, but they didn't.

[2603] They did not.

[2604] Okay.

[2605] Great.

[2606] But we're They've denied it in.

[2607] Oh, they've denied it.

[2608] But we're leaving it.

[2609] We're leaving it in, but we're correcting it now.

[2610] Oh, okay.

[2611] The whole point of this is to have our cake and eat it too.

[2612] Yeah.

[2613] Exactly.

[2614] It's interesting.

[2615] I guess if they either of them had spouses at the time, that would be the reason to perpetually deny it.

[2616] But if they didn't, if they were single, I don't know why they wouldn't want to admit that.

[2617] Like, who cares?

[2618] Right, which is why that's probably not true.

[2619] That they had sex.

[2620] Right.

[2621] The guy who, okay, you want me to read about it?

[2622] Yeah, sure.

[2623] Don't Look Now is one of the most celebrated British horror films of all time.

[2624] Director Nicholas Roke.

[2625] Speculation that the scene was unsimulated was rife for years, but it was reignited in 2011 when producer Peter Bart described his account of the filming in his memoir, infamous players, a tale of movies, the mob, and sex.

[2626] Okay.

[2627] He wrote, They shifted to the actors and I was riveted.

[2628] By their shifting positions, it was clear to me they were no longer simply acting.

[2629] They were fucking on camera.

[2630] Oh, wow.

[2631] This account sparked swift denials from the parties involved with Sutherland issuing a statement denying that Bart was even in the room when the scene was shot.

[2632] Oh, wow.

[2633] He said the only people present were himself, Christy, the director, and cinematographer.

[2634] And the cinematographer quoted in the production notes for the new release, he agrees with Sutherland's take.

[2635] Okay, so he was all eyes Yeah, and he's saying no Okay, great And then also she said no as well Okay He was married He was married, okay At that time, because he was married 72 and that came out of 73 Yeah, but if he wasn't in the room Yeah, yeah, yeah Sure, sure I just meant to support taxes Yeah, that he probably would have had no choice But to deny it even if Right Well, the screenwriter said Producers claim to have been in the room as bullshit shit.

[2636] Oh, okay.

[2637] Christy added her own denial saying it was pretend sex that left both her and Sutherland dreadfully embarrassed as it happened toward the beginning of the shooting schedule.

[2638] Anyway, so, I mean, a lot of people involved in this say no. Yes, it looks like no. Looks like no. Right.

[2639] Anywho, that's all.

[2640] That was all for Lizzie.

[2641] Yeah.

[2642] So we just cleaned up some allegations.

[2643] Yeah.

[2644] I'm sure the other two are.

[2645] fake, too.

[2646] The other two that I brought up.

[2647] So I also looked into Angel Heart.

[2648] That's, it's, it's rumored.

[2649] Okay.

[2650] But there's no. Right.

[2651] There's no clarification.

[2652] I'd have to ask.

[2653] You'd have to ask.

[2654] Yeah.

[2655] He Rourke.

[2656] Or Lisa Bonnet, aka.

[2657] The Love of Your Life.

[2658] Lilaquai Moon.

[2659] That's right.

[2660] We could have asked, we should have asked Zoe Kravitz.

[2661] Because that would have been appropriate.

[2662] Very.

[2663] Very, very, very.

[2664] Ask about her mom.

[2665] Her mom's sexual activities.

[2666] on a set before she was born.

[2667] Yeah.

[2668] I'll remember if I bump into her ever again.

[2669] Okay.

[2670] You know, there was one question I had meant to ask you.

[2671] It's been driving me nuts.

[2672] For years now, four years.

[2673] All right.

[2674] Well, that is all.

[2675] Well, I love you.

[2676] I love you.

[2677] Best wishes on your birthday.

[2678] Oh, my God.

[2679] This year?

[2680] That's early and nice.

[2681] Yeah.

[2682] I hope you have like the greatest birthday of your whole life.

[2683] Oh, thank you.

[2684] Yeah.

[2685] Me too.

[2686] It's going to be a good one, I think.

[2687] It's good to put that in the air.

[2688] Yeah, start now.

[2689] Start now.

[2690] It's actually, it's going to be here before we know it.

[2691] We're acting like it's so far away.

[2692] You're right.

[2693] It's a couple months away.

[2694] It's three months away.

[2695] All right.

[2696] Okay, bye.

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