201 - Live at Revolution Hall in Portland (2017)

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Thanks for coming to the second show.

[2] We're going to try to get you guys in bed, get your bedtime.

[3] Yeah, we're going to get you out of here so quick.

[4] It's going to be like fucking in and out.

[5] You will never know what happened.

[6] Zip -zap, Zop.

[7] That was the first boo we've ever gotten.

[8] It is not.

[9] That is absolutely not the truth whatsoever.

[10] That's propaganda that George is trying to spread.

[11] No one ever hates us.

[12] Oh, my God.

[13] No one ever disagrees with every single fucking thing that we say.

[14] Yes, here we are in this high school auditorium.

[15] We're about to give you a presentation about abstaining from premarital sex.

[16] Let's run the video.

[17] Let's go to the...

[18] It's just porn.

[19] How does that looks?

[20] I mean...

[21] Two plumbers?

[22] Cheap.

[23] That's true.

[24] Oh, so there was an estate sale today that's some murderiano sent us, which I'm obsessed with the state sales.

[25] And it was of a, like, retired detectives' whole house.

[26] It's being sold.

[27] Imagine what was in that house.

[28] I would have flipped through every book.

[29] You know what I mean?

[30] And then there was one time I went to an estate sale, and the guy somehow told me, like, right before I got there, he was like, yeah, I just sold, um, it was a cop's house, and I just sold his, like, 50 years of crime scene photos to someone.

[31] I know, and I was like, I died inside?

[32] You're like, those are my crime scenes photos.

[33] I was supposed to have them.

[34] Right.

[35] And so when I went to Powell Books today, yay.

[36] And I, um.

[37] You can't pre -e.

[38] I can't do that.

[39] They're going to, yeah.

[40] You can't pre -e them.

[41] Okay.

[42] You have to let them do it.

[43] And I was like, oh, no, I know, I'm okay, yeah, let's move on.

[44] Yeah.

[45] And they had a, um, they have a vintage crime scene photo book and it's fucking disgusting, so I totally want it.

[46] Nice.

[47] And I, Vince thinks I'm like, creep and horrible.

[48] And I was like, do you want to see this?

[49] And he was like, no. But I was like, I was going to say Elephant Titus of the Nuts.

[50] He really was, but he didn't want to see it.

[51] Weird, right?

[52] What crime did the Elephant Titis of the Nuts guy have?

[53] I mean, what's he involved in?

[54] Nothing.

[55] It was just like the part of the book that was like, we need something lighter, we know, this is like heavy for you.

[56] You saw a bunch of knives in people's gums.

[57] So, to change pace, Elephant Titus of the Nuts.

[58] In gums.

[59] That's a good, like, that's a really good descriptive.

[60] You know why I thought of how horrible that is.

[61] I've been eating a lot of hotel mini bar food lately in this weird like I don't want to have to leave it so cold and wet outside or whatever and I've been into a kettle chip today that I think went up into my frontal lobe I'm pretty sure, not positive.

[62] Oh that's a good visual because everyone understands what that feels like.

[63] It's an interstabbing.

[64] Yeah.

[65] It's not cool.

[66] Or like a paper cut but gum it's a periodontal paper cut thank you yes there's more there's four more hours of this just light dental riffing didn't you know that's what this tour's about you got a good shoe on do you want to take a quick walk thank you it's the second time I've ever worn them I wore them to my wedding, and they still have the glitter.

[67] Are those your wedding shoes?

[68] They still have wedding glitter on the back?

[69] They did, and I guess they're gone now, so that's sad.

[70] They're from...

[71] So cute.

[72] I can't say where they're from.

[73] They're very good.

[74] Also, George and I, totally unplanned, although it absolutely looks like it.

[75] Both are wearing scallop -necked dresses tonight.

[76] Not planned.

[77] And when Georgia...

[78] So I was in the car.

[79] Max picked us up to come here tonight.

[80] I got picked up first we went to pick up George and Vince and when she walked out and I saw her dress I wasn't wearing mine yet I was like she got in the car I was like oh my God I almost started crying it was like oh my no it was very yeah it was scary I thought you're gonna be like you missed the show oh my god you completely missed the show 30 but instead I was like we have the same dress that was fucking freaking out I was so happy She handed me a small cup, which was, like, her lovely friendship gift of bringing me a cappuccino everywhere I go.

[81] I don't have to ask anymore.

[82] It's the greatest.

[83] Because once you texted me, I was like, I must, you know, the coffee place, do you want anything?

[84] And you wrote always, and then gave me your order.

[85] So now whenever I'm, like, at a coffee place and I need to order, I don't want to keep asking you that.

[86] So I search the phone for, like, whatever, tall, whatever the fuck were you is.

[87] You go back to April.

[88] I'll happily reorder every single time.

[89] time.

[90] I'm the kind of person that I can drink coffee at like 10 o 'clock a night.

[91] And I want to.

[92] No, no, no. Because I can't do speed anymore.

[93] Anyway, it's the poor man's speed.

[94] She hands me this cup.

[95] I immediately start drinking it.

[96] Don't even ask what it is.

[97] Drink it, drink it, drink it.

[98] Get here.

[99] When we went to walk out for our first show, it was as if I had done 17 rails of Coke.

[100] I was out of my mind.

[101] And then I was like, was that from stumped?

[102] Because those people, I don't know what they're doing, but they're doing something to that coffee.

[103] It didn't work on me. I had to just fucking chug a sugar -free Red Bull backstage and, like, time it so that when I stepped out here, I wasn't, like, I wasn't wired.

[104] Like, halfway through, I'm not going to, like, start fucking nodding off and shit.

[105] Or, like, as you walk out, you're just belching as loud as you possibly.

[106] And I'm, like, just flying.

[107] So, yeah, caffeine gets us through.

[108] Caffeine's good.

[109] one time, sorry, but it just reminded me one time at Earwolf Studios, which is another podcast not or, but they have cold brew on tap at that place, and so I'd never had cold brew before, so I took my existing venty -sized cup, I went ahead and filled it with some cold brew, oh, let me finish, and sipped it throughout the podcast, whatever it was I was doing, and then on my drive home, burst into tears for no reason, just fucking sobbing.

[110] And I was like, why am I sad?

[111] What's happening to my feelings?

[112] It was so fucking weird.

[113] Isn't that the best when you realize it's not because you're a monster?

[114] You're like, coffee, okay, yay.

[115] Or like PMS.

[116] Okay, that's why it is.

[117] Is this a big breakdown?

[118] Nope, cold brew.

[119] It was 16 full ounces of cold brew that I should have never have.

[120] That's insane.

[121] Or, I don't know.

[122] Whatever it else.

[123] Numbers.

[124] This much cold brew.

[125] You should only have this much.

[126] and you smoke like four cigarettes but I had this much and then I was like I can see the sun and then smoked a pack of cigarettes oh I uh the hotel I'm saying it that I hate that's like fucking kitchy as shit with no function whatsoever uh no big deal it's fucking precious and there's like no hooks for the towels and like the what the fuck it's like style style over substance it's so stylish like they oh god I hate them they don't have they have like they hand you like real Like, no, no, and then like, they, oh my God, I hate it.

[127] Is it like an old -fashioned skeleton key?

[128] No, not that, do she?

[129] It's pretty, it's close.

[130] It's close enough.

[131] And I, like, a little, a candle on a little candle holder.

[132] Good night.

[133] Exactly, yes.

[134] Yeah, they, I was at the bar restaurant, which is thankfully not fucking kitchy.

[135] And the bartender last night is like, hey, this drink's on me. can you just go say hi to the hostess on your way out?

[136] She loves you, but she's too scared to talk to you.

[137] I know.

[138] And you said no, right?

[139] No. She was like, absolutely not.

[140] I'll pay for this.

[141] I'm not here to do your bidding.

[142] And you think I'm broke?

[143] I can't afford my fucking house wine?

[144] I can't order as much house wine as I want and say hi to no one.

[145] All shit -faced?

[146] Yeah, my well -backed.

[147] Give me a maggotist.

[148] I did, but it was like...

[149] Oh, nice.

[150] Good, good.

[151] Yeah.

[152] I kind of get, hi.

[153] You know, and then ran away.

[154] also like in that setup then you it's like you have to initiate where it's just like hi friend to me yeah yeah hey I heard you and not with me she's like oh no the other hostess is off shift at seven I actually think what you're doing is wrong I'm one of those people I kind of that kind of happened to me the other day where I incorrectly thought someone knew who I was and then she just said, oh, no, you look like someone who was in here earlier.

[155] Oh.

[156] And you had just finished signing whatever it was in front of here.

[157] Like, oh, so you don't want this?

[158] Okay.

[159] No, you don't.

[160] Okay.

[161] I'm going to go.

[162] All right.

[163] Well, then get murder.

[164] That's the new saying for you.

[165] Never.

[166] That's wrong.

[167] Oh, oh, Stephen's here.

[168] Oh, Stephen's here.

[169] Oh, Stephen's here, everybody.

[170] See you all here.

[171] You want to, okay.

[172] You want to show you guys something.

[173] Steven Steven So don't use the stairs This is the mustache we've been talking about For so long Take center stage Really drink it in We got a huge Oh god I'm so used to being in the back What's that?

[174] I'm so used to being in the back I know well your baby you need to grab that limelight Because it's your time to shine Oh thank you It's uncanny It's uncanny Vooner Donuts made a donut of Stephen.

[175] I'm presenting it.

[176] I look really excited.

[177] I'm just like, yay, I'm a donut.

[178] Donuts.

[179] I just realized there's jelly inside and now I need to eat the whole fucking thing.

[180] It looks like Stephen has been bisected like the black dollia.

[181] Oh, God.

[182] Ooh.

[183] I don't know if I should, should I eat myself?

[184] Yes, you should.

[185] Let's have him eat the whole thing right now.

[186] Ready?

[187] Yeah, dude.

[188] We don't pay him enough to.

[189] He's like, fuck you.

[190] I forgot that I have a microphone in my hand and one do -it will start a full do -it chant.

[191] That's the probably the most addictive chant of all time is do it.

[192] And then Elvis is here too.

[193] No, he's What if I was What's up, buddy?

[194] You walked all the way up here?

[195] Aw.

[196] Steven, what tonight, what are you going to be handling during the show?

[197] Wait, am I supposed to spoil the stuff?

[198] Oh, the audio.

[199] People know.

[200] People know.

[201] Don't describe the pictures or anything.

[202] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[203] The audio, recording the show.

[204] Justify you being here.

[205] Go ahead.

[206] Recording the audio, helping out with...

[207] I'm sorry, I'm kidding.

[208] Write a list of everything that you've done today.

[209] And then we'll decide.

[210] What she said.

[211] Don't listen to what they say.

[212] No. That's rule number one.

[213] Yeah.

[214] Audio and...

[215] Visuals.

[216] That's right.

[217] Yeah.

[218] There is a reason you guys can.

[219] came here and not, didn't just listen on your pot, your block man. On your ear, ear casts.

[220] Podcasts.

[221] Stephen, do you want to snack on this in your sound booth?

[222] Yeah, take your half body away.

[223] Good.

[224] You could actually give it to someone to eat you.

[225] Give it to someone.

[226] Anybody wants to eat, Stephen, put your hand up.

[227] Okay.

[228] But it's extra gluten.

[229] You, Stephen.

[230] Okay.

[231] He'll be okay.

[232] He's good.

[233] That's who, when we record the podcast in, George's apartment, we sit on the couch, and Stephen, that's who we're looking at sitting cross -legged across from us, like this, all day, taking notes.

[234] And you know, you said something really funny when he takes his pencil and is like, they're like, what?

[235] And sometimes he just rubs the side of his mustache, like the most evil villain of all time.

[236] Like an evil millennial.

[237] I mean, oxymoron.

[238] No, they're pretty good people.

[239] They're all right.

[240] Is that right?

[241] The right word?

[242] Yeah, well, I was going to...

[243] There's also a couple other things.

[244] Oh, I was going to tell...

[245] This is the story I told the first show, but when I arrived in Portland, I got to...

[246] I had to get my car, and when I got over to the area of the hired car area, Island 2, it's here for Island 2.

[247] There was a bunch of cars, everybody was waiting, so there's a bunch of cars waiting, and as I walk up, the guy gets out of his car and goes, Karen!

[248] And I was, I immediately got into the car that was first.

[249] I was just like, I'm not fucking riding with the guy.

[250] You tried to steal a fucking Uber.

[251] I tried to steal the person that you don't want to see an Uber driver out of the car.

[252] No, no, no, no. That doesn't, that's unnatural.

[253] And it's, it's not, it means that he doesn't know what he's supposed to be doing.

[254] On top of the fact that he screamed my name like I was lost in a grocery store.

[255] and six years old.

[256] Oh, we did ever tell you this?

[257] Tell me. Go ahead.

[258] When I was little and right as my mom and I would walk into a grocery store because I was such a lunatic that until I was probably 12 and had to ask her to stop.

[259] As we would walk into the grocery store every time, she'd go like this so you're me and I'm my mom.

[260] She'd go, let's see what we're going to get today and grab me by the neck.

[261] Feels awful.

[262] See what we're about to.

[263] And then, steer me around the store.

[264] Just so you know where I'm coming from.

[265] I'm going to start doing that to you whenever we're anywhere.

[266] It might not work out.

[267] No, I might get a black eye.

[268] It might go badly.

[269] My mom, when she'd pick me out, she...

[270] It's like she wanted me to fucking be embarrassed all the time and, like, get, you know, be funny because I hated everything and got made fun of so much.

[271] Like, so, well, that was weird.

[272] No, you got to say it.

[273] You got to say it.

[274] Whenever she'd pick you up anywhere, like in front of the...

[275] the school with all the cool kids watching and like you see her and you make eye contact she'd still go beep beep beep beep beep it was so embarrassing what a dick um like she knew what she did you kind of did have a dick mom can i now one up you with my father who was dedicated to humiliating me everywhere i went um one time we pulled into a this like vacation place we used to go to in Calistoga, it was like just cabins in the hills, whatever, in the mountains.

[276] We pulled in one time, and there was like a bunch of kids just playing in, like, the play area.

[277] And as we drove by, my dad goes, hey kids, will you be friends with Karen and Laura?

[278] They were just like, oh.

[279] No. Oh, yeah.

[280] Oh.

[281] There was one time where he used to drive this old white truck, and he drove carpool, so he drove, like, felt like 19 kids in the front cab of a truck.

[282] There was some in the back.

[283] Yeah.

[284] Right as we pulled into school, because it was like from the 70s, the horn on the trucks just got stuck.

[285] So we pulled into school, horn ablazing, as if to say like, we're here, everybody.

[286] Look at us.

[287] My sister, who was super shy anyway, was like practically crying.

[288] She's like, Dad, turn it off.

[289] And he was laughing so hard.

[290] He's like, honey, I can't turn it off.

[291] You just got to go to school.

[292] It's like, you know they hate you so much.

[293] Yeah, they hate your guts.

[294] You've ruined their life for so long.

[295] This is not what they were expecting.

[296] It's so delicious that they get.

[297] They're just like, oh, I get to do back to you, like, what you've been doing to me for 12 years.

[298] Right.

[299] I kind of forgive my, like, she, come on, you're embarrassing me, and she'd always go, what, I'm having fun.

[300] Or you're drunk, mom.

[301] I'm not drunk, I'm happy.

[302] Mom, great, way to go.

[303] You did your best.

[304] Late show, late show, everybody.

[305] we're going to get it.

[306] It's all on the table.

[307] Red Bull.

[308] We're saying it all tonight.

[309] Should we sit?

[310] Let's sit down.

[311] I made the terrible mistake of looking on Twitter and between shows.

[312] I shouldn't wear a dress that bisects me. Oh, fuck, dude.

[313] Seriously.

[314] No, let me just say it's my show.

[315] Wait, what?

[316] My mom was right about one thing that I need to sit up straight.

[317] Yeah.

[318] Like, yeah, I looked at it too.

[319] It's either that or we should.

[320] Why can't I just relax and be who I am?

[321] I am.

[322] Am I pretty now?

[323] Are in high heels?

[324] Am I pretty enough?

[325] I mean, you're lucky.

[326] You can't see my fucking Spanx right now.

[327] Which I still haven't bought new ones.

[328] These are Spanx tights by the by.

[329] That's a thing?

[330] Not to give them.

[331] I like these because don't they look like they're ripped?

[332] But they're not ripped.

[333] They're designed to be ripped.

[334] Georgia, what if I told you we could be transported to the 1920s to solve a murder?

[335] I'd say my entire life and wardrobe have led me to this point.

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[347] Goodbye.

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[349] Absolutely.

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[368] Goodbye.

[369] Well, you're first this time because I went first last time.

[370] Okay.

[371] You guys missed a whole thing.

[372] I forgot a tissue.

[373] Oh, do you need to run off stage?

[374] There.

[375] Just sucked it back in.

[376] George is having some Portland allergies, everybody.

[377] You and your allergies.

[378] Okay.

[379] You guys have a lot of fucking murders.

[380] So thank you.

[381] It's the only way, it's like the only city we could do three shows in because there's just so many to choose from.

[382] Well, and also, can I just say this before we start?

[383] You guys have been so fucking fired up about this show from day one.

[384] Yeah.

[385] Thank you.

[386] The podcast.

[387] not just the show yeah yeah for real the podcast show yeah also the reason I know this for a fact is the very first piece of stay sexy don't get murdered graffiti graffiti that was ever posted to our Twitter account was from Portland Oregon yeah you guys love that vandalism never forget it I will never forget it because that's it kind of gave me that feeling like uh -oh, this might be something real.

[388] Yeah, like, oh, what?

[389] They wrote it on the wall in the bathroom.

[390] For the first time, I saw one in person in the wild yesterday.

[391] Oh, yeah.

[392] We went to dinner, and I went to the bathroom, and I'm peeing, and I look, and I fucking went, oh my God, which I'm sure the girl in line was like, what the hell?

[393] It says, stay sexy, I would get murder at the Huber's bathroom.

[394] What?

[395] Alice loves turkey as much as we do.

[396] At Huber's.

[397] That was really awesome.

[398] Yeah, Portland.

[399] Thank you, Portland.

[400] Thank you.

[401] Oregon.

[402] On February 19th, 21 -year -old, Rebecca Darling, which is like the best name, was working the graveyard shift at an all -night convenience store.

[403] I know.

[404] A customer reported seeing her working around 3 .20 a .m., but 30 minutes later, another shopper came in and she's gone.

[405] About a month later, Rebecca's body is found concealed in some brush along Little Pudding River?

[406] Is that right?

[407] They just found it.

[408] There's a river made of pudding here.

[409] That's what we've always wanted.

[410] That's what we've always wanted.

[411] As long as it's not tapioca.

[412] Yeah.

[413] As long as it's butterscotch we get super specific.

[414] Jello or pudding river, which would you rather be in?

[415] Jello or pudding are my choices?

[416] Yeah.

[417] Could I I, I can't, rice pudding can't be a choice?

[418] Sure.

[419] You don't decide.

[420] I'm going to wipe my nose on the fucking.

[421] The world is your Kleenex, Georgia.

[422] You've made it.

[423] Oh, my nose on a table clock.

[424] I'm not only hundred people.

[425] The last bit of shame she had was gone that night.

[426] Gone away that day.

[427] You'd think it would be gone when you gave the girl your autograph who didn't ask for it.

[428] But no. No. Turns out, no. No, no. No. There was none left.

[429] No, no, no, no. Pudding River.

[430] Back to the pudding.

[431] It gets bummed out now.

[432] Yeah.

[433] Long little pudding river, six miles from town, Rebecca's body is found.

[434] She's nude from the waist up, and she's been strangled with a piece of rope, hands bound behind her back.

[435] A few weeks after she's found, on April 7, 1984, police find an abandoned car and trace it back to 18 -year -old co -ed, Catherine Redd.

[436] Edmund, who was last seen at a campus frat party around 2 .15 in the morning.

[437] Already bad news.

[438] Four days later, Catherine's nude body is found just four miles from where Rebecca's body had been found.

[439] The cause of her death is traumatic exfixiation, which is like, isn't it always traumatic?

[440] Not if you choke on a chees -in.

[441] Oh, that's good.

[442] I mean, it just came to me fast.

[443] It was impressive.

[444] That's, that's me. That's who I am.

[445] What was the thing that you got stuck in your teeth from the hotel?

[446] Not a piece of choke on a kettle chip?

[447] A fucking jammed right into my gums.

[448] That's traumatic.

[449] That hurt me. And she had been sexually assaulted.

[450] There's no way to add that line to the end of the sentence.

[451] No, I mean, there's no good way to add that sentence.

[452] Witnesses say that they saw a late 1960s Pontiac Station wagon in the area where Redmond's abandoned car had been found around the time she disappeared.

[453] And another Salem resident comes forward and reports that, her car had been bumped by a similar car a few days earlier, and that the hulking driver had invited her to leave her car and come check on the damage, which we all know, but they didn't know in the 80s.

[454] Don't fucking do that.

[455] So sorry, you're saying, like, at an intersection or something, someone bumps her from behind, and then the humongous man, I'm assuming, that was inside was like, oh, you should see this dent in your bumper.

[456] We're on this quiet road, you know.

[457] Come, come check this.

[458] And she was like, well, no, I'm going to speed away.

[459] Well, she did say, no, let's go to this gas station down the road.

[460] And he was like, forget it.

[461] And took off, which is like clear sign that he's on the level.

[462] Imagine how scary that is.

[463] Where you're like instinctual, however, whatever reason made her do that, she does it and immediately is proven that that guy was a fucking psycho.

[464] She made the best decision ever.

[465] Yeah, so she's like, this thing just happened to me with a similar car.

[466] This guy was huge in a creep.

[467] And then he took off.

[468] So, police discover that a man had called a tow truck company to rescue him from a ditch on April 7th the night that Catherine disappeared, and it's near the place where her car had been found, and his car fits the profile, and he had been previously convicted of sexual assault.

[469] So let's talk about this, dick.

[470] William Scott Smith is born in 1960.

[471] He's six, three, and three hundred pounds.

[472] Not when he's born, but...

[473] Who is this?

[474] He spent his first six years in the circus.

[475] And he had been convicted of charges of menacing when he was 18 in Silverton, Oregon.

[476] Oh, what?

[477] They just don't like Silverton.

[478] They don't like Silverton at all.

[479] All right.

[480] Noted.

[481] Got it.

[482] I guess our tour there.

[483] Tomorrow is canceled.

[484] Then in 1979, he had a number.

[485] another man were accused of secondary sexual assault on a woman, but Smith was acquitted of the charge, but his accomplice goes to jail.

[486] Then he gets convicted of indecent exposure in 81 in Boise, Idaho.

[487] Then a year later, Boise, but not Silverton?

[488] I mean, they're fickle, they're fickle.

[489] Okay.

[490] And a year later, he's questioned from Boise officers and an unsolved murder of a 14 -year -old girl named Lisa Chambers, but I looked it up and someone else got convicted of it, so it wasn't him.

[491] Uh, things we're getting hot in Idaho.

[492] I, all right.

[493] So it goes back to Salem.

[494] He feels more at home there.

[495] Um, April 26, 1984, after the evidence against him is crazy, he's arraigned on two counts of first degree murder in Salem.

[496] Um, but police saw no links between him and five other unsolved homicides that had plagued Salem since 81, which is like, get the fuck out of Salem, dude.

[497] That's a lot.

[498] He waives his right to a jury.

[499] trials convicted on all accounts and given two consecutive life terms, although he only has to complete a minimum of 40 years before he's considered for parole.

[500] Then in 2007, a cold case is reopened.

[501] On July 4, 1982 in Salem, while delivering pizzas, 18 -year -old Sherry Edwardly vanishes after going on a call to a fake address to deliver pizzas.

[502] I know.

[503] That sounded sarcastic, I know.

[504] I'm just, what year was this?

[505] This is 84.

[506] That hair is so 1980.

[507] It is.

[508] You just pull one comb through the top of that and you are off to school.

[509] Like a, maybe a little bit.

[510] Aquanette, Aquanette, you're out the door.

[511] Sprits on some sweet on.

[512] I had that hair.

[513] Do you?

[514] Sorry.

[515] Sprits on some sweet honesty and you're on your fucking life.

[516] That's right.

[517] That's right, girl.

[518] So.

[519] The bottle's all dusty.

[520] your dusty old sweet honesty bottle dust it on dusty so sherry vanishes and they later trace the fake call to the fake address to a Salem motel and her car is found with the engine running near the address of the order less than an hour after she left so like car sitting there with the engine running and three pizzas on the ground near her car that must be bad yeah her body is never found and the case goes cold for 25 years aside from, and I thought this was fucking horrible, a psychic naming a suspect that investigators already had on their list named Daryl, and he was an acquaintance of Sherry, and he claims that his vision showed Daryl's house and the detective interviewed him while the psychic was in the car, which seems not up to code.

[521] And that same day, Daryl kills himself.

[522] Oh, shit.

[523] Which everyone's like, that's an indication of guilt.

[524] and he also had painted his truck a different color a month after she disappeared and he drove a similar truck that people said was in the area but guess what it wasn't him oh they in a cold case for examination they confront William Scott Smith in prison and he confessors confesses and enters a guilty plea Jesus I know can you fucking deal with this fucking face the beard is distracting too because it's like bald and beard is a strange combination Or not, no offense.

[525] I mean, I don't mean it that way, but it's just like just a lot to look at.

[526] I'm like, is this picture upside down?

[527] What am I looking at?

[528] I'm trying to focus.

[529] What are we looking at?

[530] Okay, so that's him, dude.

[531] So he enters a guilty plea, and they say he has an accomplice named Roger Nosef.

[532] I couldn't find anything about him online, which is crazy, and he says that they were planning to abduct a different female delivery driver, hold her for ransom, But Everly came instead and says, and one of the facts that never came out publicly is the next day after the abduction, there was a ransom call to the pizza place.

[533] What fucking janky shit is that?

[534] Like, you ransom rich people.

[535] Yeah.

[536] Not fucking dominoes.

[537] Did you, it's literally dominoes.

[538] Is it really?

[539] I didn't see this.

[540] That was amazing.

[541] It's pretty popular pizza place, though.

[542] Yeah, fucking, what the fuck.

[543] But they killed her anyways.

[544] He says that they dumped her body near the Pudding River, but they searched the area.

[545] Nothing turned up.

[546] But it was 25 years later, and there had been a bunch of flooding, and her body's never been found.

[547] And a third life sentence is added to the two.

[548] He already has.

[549] But some people, oh, oh, those same.

[550] Okay.

[551] Some people say, oh, some people don't think he actually committed it, and he just said he did so you get better privileges in prison.

[552] Sorry, is that the way it works?

[553] I think sometimes.

[554] And also, what are better privileges?

[555] Fucking...

[556] Top ramen instead of fucking Safeway into Roman?

[557] Instead of toilet wine, you get sink wine.

[558] Drink up.

[559] I mean, I've never been in prison, so I wouldn't know.

[560] I have.

[561] It's hilarious.

[562] Laugh riot, would you call it?

[563] Oh, that's...

[564] It would be funny if there was a laugh riot instead of a riot riot in person.

[565] I mean, we've got to shoot that for YouTube.

[566] That Red Bull kicking in right about now?

[567] I can see the sun.

[568] Okay, so then in 2012, while serving his time, another cold case is reopened.

[569] February 12th, 1981, 20 -year -old Terry Cox -Munreau is out dancing with friends at the Oregon Museum Tavern.

[570] where we're having an after -party.

[571] I know.

[572] Top feather.

[573] Yeah, is that a different?

[574] What's the difference there?

[575] That's 81.

[576] So is that?

[577] Yeah, that's way earlier when, in the late 70s, it was full feather.

[578] My cousins, Lisa and Cheryl, had, like, these huge feathers.

[579] The feather just went all the way to the back of your head.

[580] It was super intense.

[581] And then a little bit later on, it was just like, feather those bangs.

[582] So she goes outside to get some fresh air.

[583] Don't ever do that.

[584] Don't get fresh air.

[585] But this is when they smoked indoors too, so it's probably fucking disgusting in there.

[586] That's true.

[587] And they gave out asbestos all the time.

[588] It's free asbestos, everywhere.

[589] Can I get an asbestos and soda?

[590] Two asbestos and then a Virginia slim.

[591] Shit.

[592] No, that was good.

[593] She doesn't show up for work the next day, and her parents report her missing, and her clothes and identification were found near the Williamette River, which is behind the...

[594] Oh, yes, no. You're wrong.

[595] No. Oh, now I know how to pronounce it.

[596] I see it now.

[597] I see it now.

[598] We'll admit.

[599] Just go past it.

[600] No?

[601] Why would you say it again?

[602] And don't ever say what.

[603] Are you high?

[604] Jesus Christ.

[605] Four more times?

[606] Is the coffee working for you?

[607] No, I need it, actually.

[608] What if someone threw a coffee cup on stage?

[609] It's just like coffee.

[610] But it lands perfectly, like one of those YouTube videos of the thing.

[611] No trace of her body is found until March 15th, 1981, about a mile down the river.

[612] And an autopsy concludes that she died of homicidal affixation.

[613] She's like, they just want to call it something other than asphyxiation.

[614] They love to specify.

[615] No suspects arrested.

[616] The case goes cold.

[617] And then they reopened the case on January 2012.

[618] And Detective Jim Miller notices that.

[619] Monroe was murdered the same way as Smith's other three victims.

[620] He uses his signature method of operation.

[621] He briefly stalks his victim before kidnapping, beating, raping, and strangling them to death with a piece of rope, a piece of clothing, or some other device.

[622] So, and after killing them, he places his victims in a body of water, usually at a rubber stream.

[623] So he had done that, too.

[624] So William Scott Smith, 53 now, he's guilty to her murder saying that he strangled Monroe outside the tavern.

[625] He sentenced to life in prison, which will be his fourth life sentence.

[626] He's still fucking in prison, and the man that police suspect to be his accomplice, Roger Nosef, died in 2004.

[627] Wow.

[628] And they think he killed a lot more people.

[629] So it was this beard guy?

[630] Yeah.

[631] Oh, good.

[632] Okay.

[633] It was all him.

[634] Well, that's good.

[635] Then he's in jail.

[636] Oh, yeah.

[637] Stephen.

[638] Do you think you could grow a beard like that?

[639] When I lived in New Zealand, I didn't shave for seven months.

[640] And did it look like that?

[641] Yeah, it was all neck beard.

[642] It was bad.

[643] Oh.

[644] Never again.

[645] What?

[646] Never again.

[647] No, it's required for the job now.

[648] Too late.

[649] Too late, it's a requirement.

[650] It's going into the contract.

[651] The contract's like on a napkin and crayon.

[652] Steven has to.

[653] Then George's blown her nose on four times.

[654] Trying not to be wasteful.

[655] All right.

[656] Should we move on to mine?

[657] Do it.

[658] Let's get rid of that guy.

[659] Permanently.

[660] Yeah.

[661] Yes.

[662] Great job.

[663] Thank you.

[664] Great time.

[665] Did he even do?

[666] I don't want to look.

[667] Tell me. Well, I started when I was looking into this, because we actually have done so many Portland, either murders or murderers.

[668] There have been a ton, obviously.

[669] You guys love it.

[670] And read it.

[671] Your murder cup runneth over.

[672] People feel free to stab and maim up here.

[673] So I started looking into, just to just twist it around and make it a little bit interesting.

[674] I just looked into if there were ever any murders at Crater Lake.

[675] Oh, you don't know what Crater Lake is?

[676] Okay, I'll tell you.

[677] It's right behind you.

[678] Oh, this is my Lake, Crater Lake.

[679] Oh, my God.

[680] I'm going to send you that postcard later.

[681] That's some straight up fucking prehistoric, like, bullshit.

[682] Yeah, girl, it is.

[683] Like moon rock.

[684] flew into the, is it true?

[685] Wendy, yes.

[686] Oh, my God.

[687] Do you want to know?

[688] Yeah, always.

[689] Crater Lake.

[690] Because it's crater, I guess the mix.

[691] Oh, yeah, you did kind of, that was a context clue that you put together for yourself.

[692] Crater Lake, located in Klamath County, within the Cascade Range, is over almost 20 miles wide and almost 2 ,000 feet deep, which makes it the deepest lake in America.

[693] And you did it.

[694] You did it.

[695] Thank you.

[696] At one point, it was rumored to be bottomless, but...

[697] That's not a thing.

[698] It's not true, and we all know how hurtful rumors can be.

[699] You do have a big, beautiful bottom, Crater Lake.

[700] You look good in it.

[701] It is a caldera lake.

[702] It sits at a dormant volcano Mount...

[703] which last erupted in 5 ,500 B .C. 5700 B .C. 5700.

[704] It is the clearest, cleanest, deepest body of water in the United States.

[705] It's filled with rainwater, and it is so pristine, and wavelengths of sunlight are able to penetrate so deep that the colors reflected back to our retinas, our blues and purples of an unreal.

[706] intensity.

[707] Oh.

[708] Yeah, baby.

[709] I -A -A -Wasca.

[710] To the climates, it was a site too sacred for human eyes, and they believe just looking at the lake was to risk death and lasting sorrow.

[711] Jeez.

[712] Which you'd think those would be flipped, because once you're dead, the sorrow wouldn't really come into play, but...

[713] That sounds like a big bummer.

[714] A minor name John Hillman in 19...

[715] Sorry, 1853 was the first white man to see that lake.

[716] And just before he reached the crater's rim, he saw a snow white deer with pink eyes.

[717] Like, pink eye?

[718] With a very bad eye infection.

[719] Very bad.

[720] And a little neosporin on both eyes, so it looked kind of glossy.

[721] It looked like he was crying, and it made John sad.

[722] Oh.

[723] Oh, wait, I lost my spot.

[724] A snow white deer with pink eyes and vampire fangs.

[725] Really?

[726] No, I'm just, that part's not real.

[727] That's cool.

[728] Wouldn't that be amazing, though?

[729] Because you're like, oh my God, that's a bit, ah!

[730] Attack deer.

[731] Just had a dead buddy in its jaws.

[732] It has a dead other deer in its jaws.

[733] Oh, not white deer, yeah.

[734] It's a vampire cannibal.

[735] Oh, my God.

[736] Can you focus, please?

[737] There is a stump of a hemlock tree that floats in Crater Lake called the Old Man. What?

[738] I don't...

[739] Let's hear it for the old man. Okay, over 30 feet long, this hemlock stump floats perfectly upright, and it is carbon -dated to be over 435 years old.

[740] What the shit.

[741] This is the best book report I've ever given.

[742] We are in a school, so.

[743] I know.

[744] I know.

[745] I'm feeling it.

[746] That's the old man. Oh, so there was a submarine team that was in the lake.

[747] They saw the old man, this was like sometime in the 60s, and they tied it up to their stuff because they wanted to look at it, to their equipment, because they wanted to investigate it, and right when they tied it up, a huge storm kicked up on the lake, white caps started on the lake, and it didn't end until they untied it, and everything went right back down.

[748] So the old man controls the weather.

[749] Man. And white man's always going to be like, let's see about this.

[750] And like take it apart because they need a known.

[751] Instead of just like looking at it.

[752] That's beautiful.

[753] Okay.

[754] Moving on.

[755] Yeah.

[756] Well, but it is like very unusual that it floats straight up and down because any normal log floats like this.

[757] Yeah.

[758] This guy's like this.

[759] That's not a thing.

[760] I'm doing this.

[761] Civics.

[762] I got to do this.

[763] Okay.

[764] All right.

[765] Also, several people have claimed to see Bigfoot near Crater Lake.

[766] Really?

[767] Yeah.

[768] They spotted him.

[769] Two park rangers said they saw him, and then they smelled him, and then he threw a pine cone at them.

[770] I hate to say it again, but ayahuasca.

[771] That's a fucking fucked out truck.

[772] That was just a third park ranger.

[773] Actually, there's...

[774] Some people claim that they accidentally hit Bigfoot with their car at Crater Lake, but before they could show anybody, a government team came in and swept the body away.

[775] Yeah, but definitely happened.

[776] What I think is funny is that that is also the beginning scene of Harry and the Hendersons.

[777] That's like if Harry and the Hendersons were like a sad government movie, you know, like it's science fiction.

[778] That's true.

[779] Not a fun comedy.

[780] They have lake monsters, UFOs, mysterious campfires.

[781] That's my favorite one.

[782] Mysterious.

[783] If there's a campfire, then it's just a fire, a mysterious fire.

[784] Explain to me what you think campfires are.

[785] Oh, am I wrong?

[786] Do I not know?

[787] I don't know.

[788] A campfire is a fire.

[789] A camp, a camp.

[790] Then you walk up to it, and it's still there when you get there.

[791] Well, these ones aren't there.

[792] Oh, I get it.

[793] You walk up and just there's nothing there.

[794] There's not just like a mysterious campfire.

[795] It's just like, there's a campfire.

[796] No, there isn't.

[797] It's just an orange jacket on the ground.

[798] Crazy shit's happening up there is what we're saying.

[799] Crazy fucking shit.

[800] But mostly, Crater Lake has a lot of death.

[801] And so I'm just going to read you a couple of my favorites.

[802] September 24th, 1994, an Aeropostal AS350 helicopter from Seattle, heading to Las Vegas, crashes and sinks between Wizard Island and the Lodge.

[803] Don't you want to go to Wizard Island so fucking bad?

[804] What's on Wizard Island?

[805] Fucking Wizards?

[806] Several dozen park visitors watched the helicopter as it.

[807] skimmed over the smooth surface and then suddenly plunged into the water.

[808] The speculation is that the pilot became confused by the near -perfect mirror image of the sky that was in the surface of the lake and thought he was going up.

[809] Oh, no, yeah.

[810] Can you imagine that you're just all fishing on the side of crater?

[811] Like, do -to -do, what a great vacation with my, oh, my God.

[812] Oh, no. Straight to the bottom.

[813] stay or do we go home?

[814] Is it rude if we like, is it disrespectful?

[815] We like finish our vacation?

[816] Everybody just look away.

[817] Look away and don't look back.

[818] I took three days off work.

[819] Should I I mean, we spent a lot of money.

[820] Yeah, like, you know, poured some beer out for those guys.

[821] At that mysterious campfire that night.

[822] That night, 25 campfires lit along them.

[823] All right.

[824] In July 27th, 1990, this one's fucked up.

[825] Uh -uh.

[826] We've been having a great time so far.

[827] That's going to stop right now.

[828] At 3 .20 p .m. Delam Marie Zelensky of Meade, Washington, falls 700 feet to her death at Discovery Point.

[829] The only eyewitnesses were her three children, Jeremy, 16, John 7, and Brittany 5.

[830] Oh, man. And a former, the way you look down.

[831] And a former ranger named Bruce Black who saw the fall from Wizard Island.

[832] Oh, we know Bruce Black's on Wizard Island.

[833] Okay.

[834] I didn't put that together.

[835] So here's what happened.

[836] The family had walked out to a narrow, rocky, spine -like ridge to get a better view of Wizard Island because they were as fascinated as I am about Wizard Island.

[837] But here's the thing.

[838] The mother loses her footing and she's holding the five -year -old.

[839] As she falls, she fucking throws the five -year -old to the teenager, and then goes.

[840] Oh my, that's just horrifying.

[841] It is not cool.

[842] Oh, no. But also kind of fucking amazing.

[843] And like, what an incredible insane mother move.

[844] Yeah.

[845] Just like, when I read that, I was like, that's so fucking amazing.

[846] Yeah, silver lining.

[847] Okay, on August 29th, 1984, patrol ranger Alice Siby.

[848] Becker, this one's fucking crazy, attempts to stop a slightly speeding 1982 Volvo on the south entrance road, but the driver refuses to stop so Alice gives chase and as her patrol car comes up from behind, the Volvo suddenly explodes, runs off the road, flies through the air, and hits an embankment.

[849] What in the fuck?

[850] Yes.

[851] Explodes.

[852] Yes, it just fucking explodes.

[853] No. So, the driver was named Amdra Mersejukus and he was a German national and he's of course instantly killed his body remained in the wrecked car for four hours while the Jackson County Sheriff Bomb Squad and the FBI checked the car over for hidden explosives but it turned out the explosion was caused by a hand grenade that a Merzjucus was holding at the time of the explosion and they know this because his left hand and face were blown.

[854] Oh, dude.

[855] So as they search the car, they find a knife, a pistol, which are both stored in the driver's door, and a rifle that's in the trunk.

[856] And they also find several sets of ID, all false, two California license plates.

[857] The Volvo had been stolen from a rental company in San Diego.

[858] And this man was wanted in Texas for drug smuggling charges, and he had serve time in federal prison, he planned to either use the grenade against Alice, the park ranger, and it accidentally dropped it.

[859] Which is like, then it's all like snowy road.

[860] I gotta get it.

[861] Shit, it's a bowl.

[862] Everything's all Swedish and safe.

[863] Oh, God.

[864] This final line is kind of my, maybe one of my favorites ever.

[865] Alice then left the park service and returned to her former career of violin making.

[866] Oh.

[867] Sorry, Alice.

[868] I didn't realize you were the most fascinating person in the world.

[869] Yeah.

[870] I mean, she's back there in her violin shop.

[871] Like, I've seen a lot of heavy shit.

[872] So just fucking, let me pull this cat gut across this wood.

[873] Oh, my God.

[874] Honey.

[875] Okay.

[876] November 27th, 1960, 19 -year -old son of Ralph and Catherine Peyton, who owned the Crater Lake Lodge, their son is found stabbed to death in his car in Forest Park.

[877] Larry Payton had been stabbed 23 times, and the interior of the car showed the evidence of a terrific struggle, the cop said.

[878] Missing and presumed kidnapped or slain was Peyton's girlfriend, Beverly Ann Allen, also 19 from Washington State.

[879] They had met the previous summer while they both worked at Crater Lake Lodge.

[880] and Miss Allen had been visiting the Patens during the Thanksgiving weekend.

[881] So they had Thanksgiving dinner with the parents and then they had left for an evening drive.

[882] To park.

[883] Evening drive.

[884] Following dinner.

[885] So Beverly Ann Allen's body was discovered two months later lying in roadside brush alongside a highway west of Portland.

[886] Oh, my God.

[887] And this then said, the murders were eventually solved 10 or so years later, but not conclusively.

[888] So that's mean it, that means it's not solved.

[889] Right.

[890] The actual definition of...

[891] Who am I to criticize when I've just simply cut and paste?

[892] Pasted.

[893] Who did it?

[894] That sounds like a Zodiac killer type of thing, don't it?

[895] But he didn't take the victims with him, right?

[896] I don't think he would go places with the victims, but he did, he was one of those people that liked to have a man there.

[897] Oh, that's an interesting theory.

[898] Early fucking Zodiac.

[899] Yeah, that's what I, that's my, I'm just like randomly pulling that out of my ass.

[900] I like it, though.

[901] Okay, I'm going to go with it.

[902] That's good.

[903] Okay, this one is the most famous.

[904] You may have heard of it already.

[905] In July 1952, Albert Jones of Concord, California, and Charles Colhane of Detroit, Michigan, were executives with the United Motor Service, which is a subsidiary of General Motors, and they were found murdered on South Road 3 .5 miles north of the South Boundary.

[906] They had driven, they were there on vacation with their wives.

[907] They had gone in a car separate and driven ahead, agreeing to meet at their summer cabin at Union Creek.

[908] And when the wives came up upon the car, they found the car, which was a green 1951 Pontiac, parked on the turnout overlooking Annie Creek Canyon.

[909] The right passenger side door was standing open, but they couldn't find their husbands, so they called the Rangers.

[910] and the men's bodies were found a short time later, a quarter mile off the road in an open stand of Ponderosa Pine.

[911] Both men were found with their shoes removed, powder burns on the side of their heads, indicating an execution -style murder.

[912] They had been gagged with their own ties, but they were not bound, and their stockings were clean, which indicated that they didn't walk anywhere.

[913] They just took their shoes off and then were murdered there.

[914] In the excitement of the discovery of the bodies, Tons of people walked all over the crime scene, just drawing much of the evidence.

[915] And since the entrance rangers during these years recorded the license number of every car that entered the park, the FBI began a massive investigation, taking years to trace each tag number, and some people were even tracked to Europe.

[916] Several local suspects were identified, but lacking hard evidence, no arrests were ever made.

[917] And even though $300 was taken from their wallets and their watches were taken, and the men's luggage was left in the car, so they don't really think it was for robbery purposes.

[918] And in a letter that he wrote to his daughter a month before he was murdered, Jones said to her, things are worse than they have ever been.

[919] And she thinks, his daughter believes, because at the time in working for GM, they were having trouble with the union.

[920] So her theory is that it was a mob hit murder for business reasons.

[921] Um, there's also some locals who had their own theory.

[922] Um, but they were, it, it made this go from like six pages to 42 pages.

[923] Like just that, just talking and there were just like conversations back and forth with the cops.

[924] And it was like, I don't know.

[925] And then it got this thing.

[926] So then we're just like that.

[927] And if they listened to me, I told the FBI, but they never came back.

[928] There's like a lot of that shit.

[929] You guys don't have accents like that.

[930] But that was the feel of the article was like an old guy.

[931] standing outside of a gas station.

[932] With theories.

[933] It's like jeans and jeans and theories.

[934] You know, I told him.

[935] I saw the guy.

[936] I told them.

[937] They didn't listen to me. All right.

[938] This one, I kind of love so much in the sickest way.

[939] And this is from July 4th, 1947.

[940] A park visitor named Mr. Cornelius suddenly stops hiking, calmly hands his wife, his wallet.

[941] Oh, my God.

[942] sits down on a snow chute near the old lake trail and without a word slives over the edge of the snowbank and falls to the water's edge uh he didn't he didn't die he only broke his leg oh fuck so then he climbs into the lake and drowns himself no with everybody watch his wife is just like what the fuck why do i need your wallet Motherfucker.

[943] Oh my God.

[944] His wife later claimed that he had been in some sort of days or trance during the incident.

[945] How fucking creepy is like, can you hold my water while I go over here?

[946] Will I go for the...

[947] Well, I go fucking sledding to death.

[948] So in that, I kind of like, I like the idea that say it's the albino deer that came back and hypnotized him and was like, come over the edge with me. Come over, Mr. Cornelius.

[949] Oh, no. And you're what, you're a wife.

[950] You won't meet it where we're going.

[951] Abigail, I must follow the vampire, dear.

[952] Oh, it only broke your legs.

[953] It's fucked up.

[954] You know, but it only broke his leg.

[955] The worst of all suicide situations.

[956] All right, but the last one is from someone from here in Portland, Tara, who sent us this as a hometown marker.

[957] Yeah.

[958] Love it.

[959] Love it, love it.

[960] Hi, George and Karen.

[961] They all start like that.

[962] It's weird.

[963] They all know.

[964] I started listening to your awesome podcast this week, and I am absolutely sucked in, no escape.

[965] I wanted to tell you guys about my hometown owner, because it's now in our family mystery, it is now our own family mystery that I think is so creepy, and I just wanted to share it with you guys.

[966] So in the summer of 2016, my family went up to Crater Lake, Oregon, to our cabin for a few weeks.

[967] My brother brought along a friend of his, and they brought their motorbikes so they could go to the Bluff, which is just a forest where a lot of tourists go hiking.

[968] So the first week we were there, my brother and his friend went to the bluff on their bikes and noticed a station wagon with Washington plates, parked behind some trees with a sun visor up, which I think she means one of those sunshades.

[969] Yeah.

[970] I was confused when I first read it.

[971] I was like, what?

[972] It's the car's wearing a visor?

[973] What's happening?

[974] Is it one of the ones that says, call nine.

[975] If you can see this side, call 911 one.

[976] Number those from like, Oh, yeah.

[977] Like, then you put it up, even though you're at Target, and you're like, oh, shit, I didn't realize it was on that side.

[978] Nobody called 911.

[979] And everyone's like, am I supposed to call 911?

[980] Or is that weird?

[981] I mean, I'll assume other people called 911 or is that a bad?

[982] Did people need 911 all that time when they were parked back in the 70s?

[983] Constant calling of 911.

[984] My brother thought nothing of it, thinking it was just some hikers.

[985] However, they went back the next week, and the car was still there.

[986] So my brother decided to go check it out and see what was up.

[987] He got closer to the car and noticed a massive swarm of flies around the car.

[988] No. No. They're out in nature.

[989] A silhouette of a person in the passenger seat and blood splatter on the windshield.

[990] Needless to say, my brother and his friend booked it the fuck out of there.

[991] He told my dad about the whole thing and they called the county police and waited in the parking lot for the detectives to show up.

[992] It took the detectives two fucking hours to finally show up.

[993] And when they finished asking them questions, my dad asked one of the detectives.

[994] So does this happen very often?

[995] And the detective just shrugged his shoulders and said, it's Klamath County.

[996] And he had Gene and Gene and theories.

[997] It was the same guy.

[998] Cop hat.

[999] It was the same guy with the theories.

[1000] There's just one guy who lives there.

[1001] Yeah, I don't know.

[1002] I told him.

[1003] Apparently there'd already been four other murder suicides that year alone.

[1004] Holy fuck.

[1005] There was never anything in the news about it or who the person was or how he died.

[1006] So my mom and I like to conspire all the time which I think she means theorize or SunVisor.

[1007] I mean, maybe they're conspiring to do it themselves.

[1008] Anyway, thank you very much.

[1009] Tarabee.

[1010] So that's Crater Lake.

[1011] Please be careful.

[1012] Don't go to the edge and take pictures.

[1013] You're not above signs.

[1014] I don't care what the white deer with the fangs and pink eye tells.

[1015] you.

[1016] Yeah, don't listen.

[1017] Don't listen to him.

[1018] Don't listen to magical dearer.

[1019] No. Hey, that was great.

[1020] Hey, good job.

[1021] Thank you.

[1022] Thank you.

[1023] Should we, uh, thank you?

[1024] That's okay.

[1025] We crave your applause.

[1026] Can we, should we do a hometown?

[1027] I think we should do a hometown woman.

[1028] Yeah.

[1029] Yeah.

[1030] You want to pick someone?

[1031] Yeah.

[1032] Can we do, can we have the lights up, just a tiny bit if that's a thing you'd be able to do?

[1033] Karen's good at this, I'm going to let her.

[1034] I'm the psychic.

[1035] So, right there.

[1036] Yeah, on down.

[1037] Elisa, come here.

[1038] Look, you get your own mic.

[1039] Come here.

[1040] Center stage, center stage.

[1041] I'm really nervous.

[1042] Okay.

[1043] I know.

[1044] It's super nerve -wracking.

[1045] It's really bright.

[1046] I know, right?

[1047] Yeah.

[1048] I can't see any.

[1049] Just stare straight into it, and it kind of dulls out your retinas and you get used to it.

[1050] Okay.

[1051] Hi.

[1052] Hi.

[1053] Hi.

[1054] Hi.

[1055] Hi.

[1056] Where are you from?

[1057] Salem.

[1058] I grew up in Salem, but I live in Florida for now.

[1059] They hate Salem.

[1060] I know.

[1061] Well, we got a lot of murderers.

[1062] Oh, okay.

[1063] Got it.

[1064] So what's your, so is Salem?

[1065] Okay.

[1066] So this is pretty crazy.

[1067] It's in, well, it's in Turner.

[1068] If anyone's from Turner.

[1069] They love Turner.

[1070] It's pretty crazy.

[1071] So I actually sent you guys an email about it.

[1072] So if you read it later, just ignore it.

[1073] We'll delete it immediately.

[1074] Just delete it.

[1075] Stan?

[1076] We'll never read it.

[1077] Delete it.

[1078] Yeah.

[1079] So, okay, so this is a crazy story, and I know about it because my cousin found the body.

[1080] Oh, shit.

[1081] Yes.

[1082] Yes.

[1083] Yes.

[1084] Cousin connection is a hot connection.

[1085] Yep.

[1086] Yep.

[1087] Definitely.

[1088] So my cousin was duck hunting with his friend.

[1089] How old?

[1090] Like 16, I think.

[1091] Fucking lucky.

[1092] Yeah.

[1093] That he found a body or that he was duck hunting?

[1094] Both.

[1095] Just he's clearly very privileged in every way.

[1096] Yes.

[1097] Definitely.

[1098] So he was duck hunting with his friend and they saw in the distance kind of by a creek this jacket, this like camo jacket.

[1099] And they're like, like, he's clearly very privileged in every way.

[1100] Yes.

[1101] Definitely.

[1102] Um, so he was duck hunting with his friend and they saw in the distance kind of by a creek this jacket, this like, camo jacket.

[1103] And they're like, like, oh, hey, someone with their jacket here, went up to it.

[1104] There was a rotting body inside.

[1105] Oh, like, super gross.

[1106] So they called the police, police came out, and then all this stuff came out, and the news later that the body was actually this fugitive who had, like, kidnapped girls and done all these terrible things.

[1107] So this dude's name was Paul Winklebleck, and he had, it's a bad name, bad guy.

[1108] Yeah.

[1109] And he had, he had, like, done some terrible things like molested kids and had been in jail and had gotten out and violated his parole, and so they were going to go arrest him, and he disappeared.

[1110] So he was on the lamb, and then this is crazy.

[1111] He was in Portland.

[1112] There was a Snoop Dog concert.

[1113] Yeah, fuck, yeah.

[1114] Pretty insane.

[1115] So there's a Snoop Dog concert, and these two girls are leaving.

[1116] They'd been drinking a little.

[1117] They're underage.

[1118] They get to their car, and he comes up to them and says, I'm an undercover police car.

[1119] We're doing raids.

[1120] You're going to get arrested for drunk driving unless I can drive you out of here.

[1121] Okay, that's never true.

[1122] The girls were like, nah, eh, but then, by some stupid chance a police car drove by and he was like, those are my guys and they're like, oh, okay, okay.

[1123] So they all get in.

[1124] It's terrible.

[1125] They're like, see, and they like wave at him.

[1126] I know.

[1127] Oh, no. Bad, happy accident.

[1128] Wait, I don't know why, but I'm confused right now.

[1129] So they were hesitant.

[1130] They didn't want to do it.

[1131] But then a police car happened to drive by at that moment.

[1132] And the dude, Paul Winklebeck was like, see, we're out, we're out patrolling.

[1133] These are my guys.

[1134] Oh, fuck.

[1135] Okay, sorry.

[1136] Damn.

[1137] I thought it was the opposite shit.

[1138] Okay.

[1139] Yeah.

[1140] So they all get in and then he like kind of tricks them into giving him his phone.

[1141] They're like, hey, let's take photos.

[1142] He's like, well, let me see your phone, blah, blah, blah.

[1143] So he gets the phones, and then it becomes clear.

[1144] This is a kidnapping.

[1145] He brings out a giant knife.

[1146] And he, like, makes him take some pills and stuff.

[1147] He's, like, really creepy.

[1148] And so they're on the freeway.

[1149] They're on I -5.

[1150] They're headed south.

[1151] Sorry, I'm going to stop you.

[1152] This is the best story I've ever heard in my life.

[1153] It's crazy.

[1154] I'm not kidding.

[1155] This is the best.

[1156] Okay.

[1157] This is insane.

[1158] It has a good ending.

[1159] It has a good ending.

[1160] Okay, good.

[1161] So they're heading south.

[1162] And then at some point, like off of Turner, like they get on the freeway, the highway toward Detroit.

[1163] He gets out and he's like going to start, he tries to pull one out.

[1164] And so then the other one comes and starts fighting him.

[1165] And then he starts focusing on her.

[1166] And then the other one wants to find him too.

[1167] But her friend says, run, run, run.

[1168] So she just starts booking it through a field.

[1169] And she sees a farmhouse in the distance.

[1170] She gets to the farmhouse, screams on the door, my friend's being attacked.

[1171] They go back.

[1172] The other friend's still there alive.

[1173] Yes.

[1174] Both made it.

[1175] Okay.

[1176] They fought.

[1177] They fought him off.

[1178] And he's, and he's gone.

[1179] He's gone.

[1180] The car's gone.

[1181] So they call the cops, but they don't find him.

[1182] And they don't find him for five years until my cousin finds him.

[1183] Isn't that crazy?

[1184] That's amazing.

[1185] And they don't know how he died.

[1186] They just think he died of like exposure and drowning, but they don't know how.

[1187] So it's kind of a mystery like if he tried it with someone else and something happened or if he just like.

[1188] Where has he been for five years?

[1189] I don't know.

[1190] They thought he was like on America's Most Wanted and all this stuff.

[1191] He was living in that forest.

[1192] He was dead.

[1193] He was dead.

[1194] He died.

[1195] Well, they think that he died that that time.

[1196] Oh, that's how old his body was?

[1197] Yeah, they found the same outfit that he was wearing.

[1198] Dude.

[1199] What if those two girls went back and they're like, you should not have fucked with us.

[1200] Yeah, maybe they've got to see him.

[1201] I hope they did.

[1202] They're like, they're like, we slept off those pills and we fucking jammed out to Snoop Dogg.

[1203] And now you're getting two to the dome.

[1204] I have chills when that's crazy, huh?

[1205] The best.

[1206] Yeah.

[1207] Oh, my God.

[1208] Where is your cousin now?

[1209] He's still at home.

[1210] I think he's 18 now, so he's just hanging out at home in Salem.

[1211] Two years ago.

[1212] Can we call him?

[1213] You'd be so surprised I was telling the story.

[1214] What did he, did he have like, I just want to hear about that sensation of actually finding a dead body.

[1215] Was he like super bummed out?

[1216] Did he have to go to therapy?

[1217] No, apparently he was like, super chill about it.

[1218] He was just like, oh, yeah, you know, it was cool, whatever.

[1219] They, like, looked in the jacket.

[1220] They touched it?

[1221] Yeah, he found his wallet, I think.

[1222] You're not allowed to touch it.

[1223] I know.

[1224] Wait, what's his name?

[1225] Nathaniel.

[1226] You can't get on the stage.

[1227] That's not cool at all.

[1228] Oh, that's my sister.

[1229] She's part of this.

[1230] She's not a weird, though.

[1231] Okay, get over there.

[1232] This is my sister.

[1233] Jesus fucking Christ.

[1234] Okay, but seriously, nobody else get on the stage.

[1235] Sorry.

[1236] The sneaking thing was very upsetting.

[1237] Well, there was a drunk girl.

[1238] I thought it must have been her.

[1239] I was like, the drug girl came.

[1240] Okay, you should have come the first time.

[1241] That was awful.

[1242] This is a murder show.

[1243] You guys looked over behind my shoulder and looked, and you had horror in your face.

[1244] I was like, I was ready to bolt.

[1245] I apologize.

[1246] What's happening?

[1247] Tell us.

[1248] Okay.

[1249] You might know more.

[1250] So as all Lisa was saying this, I was dying because I'm like, tell her at this part.

[1251] Tell her this part.

[1252] Okay.

[1253] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1254] This better be good.

[1255] And then this lovely lady said, just go up there.

[1256] Just go up there.

[1257] Mom!

[1258] Okay, so this may be kind of a build -up.

[1259] It may not be that...

[1260] After all, that it's better be really good.

[1261] It may not be that good.

[1262] Allisa did a fantastic job of telling the story.

[1263] No, the part that I love the most, though, is the way that when Nathaniel tells the story, the way he describes what you were saying, like, I want to know what it's like to find a dead body.

[1264] He said, he walks over to it, and he sees this coat, and he's like, huh, what's the coat doing here?

[1265] and he picks it up, and then he goes, oh, my gosh, there's an arm inside.

[1266] Because he feels, and he, he's kind of like, um, Nathaniel's, he's a little morbid.

[1267] He's a little morbid.

[1268] He, um, what did he do for his high school internship?

[1269] Like he, oh, taxidermy.

[1270] Yes.

[1271] Yes.

[1272] So he's fun.

[1273] He was like 16.

[1274] Nathaniel, get up here.

[1275] Oh, I wish he were here.

[1276] He's great.

[1277] So yeah, he like said this over our Christmas, we have like this annual family Christmas dinner.

[1278] over the Christmas dinner, he was describing what the body felt like.

[1279] Like, the actual, like, description of, like, it was, it wasn't, like, hard like you would think it was.

[1280] It was there's some give to it.

[1281] You stuck on stage because you had the information I was definitively asking for.

[1282] Exactly.

[1283] That's fair.

[1284] I'm sorry I was rough with you, but, I mean, I was definitely scared.

[1285] That's what I look like when I'm scared.

[1286] Karen, you, I trust you, you fucking took care of that.

[1287] I was impressed.

[1288] Thank you.

[1289] I was, thank you.

[1290] I was pretty sure I could take her.

[1291] I figured she was just shit -faced.

[1292] Karen was raised by first responders so that we go toward the danger.

[1293] We like to go toward.

[1294] Karen, I'm the girl who we were like, run.

[1295] And I'm like, okay.

[1296] I'll go get help.

[1297] I'll go get help.

[1298] Nathaniel.

[1299] Wait, sorry, what was your name again?

[1300] Rebecca.

[1301] Rebecca, you should come visit us.

[1302] Okay, now you have to get off this day.

[1303] Oh my Lisa nailed that hometown Thank you so much That was a real fucking roller coaster of emotions This is why you pick the hometowns man You always fucking I got a sick sense about them Also I just have to say We really really love you guys It really means the world to us How much you guys have supported us From the beginning It really It's so awesome We're the word This is the city where we have three shows You guys bought those tickets So thank you Thank you so much It was so much fun to be here with you tonight Do me a favor, stay sexy And don't get