#403 - Justin Collett (Part 1)

[0] I was having this conversation with somebody the other day.

[1] If I told you in 1987 that you would have a little thing about the size of a deck of cards that you carry around in your hand and you, at the touch of a button, it could talk to anyone on earth with it, video chat with people, and access all the known information in the universe.

[2] Yeah.

[3] No one would fucking believe you.

[4] For 60 bucks a month.

[5] Yeah.

[6] It's ridiculous.

[7] And not only that, but it would also allow your government to track every move you make.

[8] Yeah, everybody can track every move your make.

[9] People, do you see that, there was an app that was, I think it was in Brazil, they had this app, and they took it down.

[10] Eventually, it was an Android app that allows people to turn your phone on, listen to you and record you, it allows him to hear everything that's going on the room and track you through GPS.

[11] They were using that, that's some of the shit they were using in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

[12] That is some crazy shit.

[13] Yeah, I mean, it's weird.

[14] Yeah, I mean, if you think about it, I mean, the phone's got it all.

[15] Yeah.

[16] Did you, have you ever followed any of the Stuxnet shit and the viruses that came out around that time?

[17] I can't think of the name of the other virus, but it had to be designed.

[18] They were saying CIA or Israel, one or the other.

[19] But one of the things that the virus would do is on a computer that was infected with it, it would search for any Bluetooth connections in the area.

[20] So if your phone had the Bluetooth on it, it wasn't protected.

[21] If it could connect to that Bluetooth, it would connect to that phone.

[22] This is a computer with a virus on it.

[23] We'll connect to a phone, download the address book, all the contacts, all that shit, and then upload it to a cash site, basically, where then they could come and get it.

[24] And then it would also wait for instructions.

[25] Wow.

[26] Yeah.

[27] I mean, it's not science fiction, bro.

[28] I mean, this shit's incredible.

[29] This shit happens.

[30] It's real.

[31] When you saw that Michael Hastings, Jr., the reporter, that drove into a tree at 100 miles an hour, did you freak out?

[32] You know, I mean, yeah, it's, is it, I think there's some people in this world you're probably better off not fucking with.

[33] I mean, even if it's an accident, you know.

[34] I mean, when you have people that kill your nation's enemy for a living, you know.

[35] Do you really want to cross them?

[36] Do you really want to fuck with them?

[37] I mean...

[38] Yeah, who knows what kind of technology they have?

[39] If they can do that with a phone, with a virus that was engineered either by, you know, some super -intelligent dudes from whatever country.

[40] If they can do that, what else can they do that we can't do?

[41] I think that's where this reoccurring dream just kept coming from, that I'm so fucking stupid.

[42] I know I'm so fucking stupid.

[43] Like, in comparison to all these people that can make these laptops and make these phones and figure out these virus, is I am so removed from the ability to do that.

[44] But you know what the, to me, the thing is, yeah, okay, but a lot of race car drivers don't know how to build a car either.

[45] It's true, yeah.

[46] And to me, that's one of the things, the biggest thing with, like, what I do, I mean, the way I make my living now, and I started with photography, before digital, if it wasn't for digital cameras, I would have never picked up a camera.

[47] If I would have had to pick up a camera and then go take some goddamn film and have it developed and do all this bullshit and you know every time you made a bad shot it costs you a quarter i mean there's no fucking way i would have stuck with it but because of the tools this is a perfect example of it you know what i mean look at what you've created out of shit you buy off the shelf you know it's a toolkit that allows people out there to create things and we've seen that now with you know film anything you name it the bar to entry is no longer technical right you know 40 years ago if you wanted to make a film you were fucked if you didn't have a bunch of money because it costs that much money to do anything now you know so to me the guy who makes it yeah he's a fucking genius but the guy who takes that tool and then expands on it and creates new things with it is just as smart well it's it's just what they you know what those people do though I mean, they build off of each other.

[48] And that's where the thousand Tesla idea came from.

[49] It's like, if you had a thousand of those motherfuckers communicating with each other.

[50] But if you had a thousand me's, nothing.

[51] A lot of big jokes.

[52] Or make an axe with a rock.

[53] Maybe I'll figure that out eventually.

[54] Find a sharp rock.

[55] And I'd be like, I need to figure out how to make these on my own.

[56] Yeah, I was driving out here from Vegas.

[57] And I had never seen this.

[58] It's been a while since I made the drive.

[59] And I don't know if this fucking facility is new.

[60] or what but coming out uh on 15 on the right hand side of the road i saw this it looked like a giant fucking pond or a lake or something like that and then there was a big ass tower sticking up in the middle of it and this is in the middle of the desert i'm like what in the fuck is that finally i figured out it's one of those solar farms have you ever seen one of those and i think this is how it works i need to google this shit and find out exactly what it is but uh It looked to me, like, in the big -ass tower, because I've seen some things where these solar farms, they have all these mirrors, and they all focus on this center tower.

[61] And then they turn that energy into, I guess it's heat or however the fuck they do it.

[62] Whoa, I'm looking at these images, Google images of solar farms.

[63] I didn't even know this existed.

[64] And for California, it's a fucking crime.

[65] They don't use it.

[66] And I'm sitting here and I'm thinking, like, why isn't this fucking desert covered in solar panels?

[67] Yeah.

[68] You know, I mean, but then again, I guess if you look at, you know, how much fossil fuels does it take to create something like that and then how long is the break even point, you know, to where it actually is making sense.

[69] That's a good point that people don't recognize.

[70] It takes a lot of fossil fuels to make things, make plastics, to make everything, you know, I mean, just drive the cars to get the shit out there.

[71] Yeah, it's true.

[72] That's a really, really, really important point.

[73] But I guess even with, I mean, isn't it possible to make a lot of things without it, though?

[74] I mean, if you used electricity only from solar power to make machines that ran on solar power.

[75] You know, I don't know, man. I was thinking, when I saw that solar shit, it got me thinking about, you know, oil.

[76] And one thing I've always had a thought about was after 9 -11, I think, one of the biggest fuck -ups Bush had was he had the opportunity for, kind of a Manhattan project moment.

[77] I think if he would have came out and said, look, we're getting off oil as much as possible because it's not a green planet issue.

[78] It's not a tree hugger issue.

[79] It's none of that.

[80] It's a national security issue.

[81] Because if you look at most of the bullshit our country's gotten involved in the last 40 years, it's for oil, which I'm not against.

[82] I mean, oil is a national, I mean, it is a national security thing.

[83] People who say, well, no blood for oil, okay, pay $10 a gallon for gas and watch your fucking economy crash.

[84] You know, so, but to me, that was, that could have been a Manhattan Project moment or something similar to where you make a giant breakthrough.

[85] And because this country has always proven that if you, if you point it in the right direction and give it a mandate and then back it up, perfect example, moon landing, the Apollo program, they started with nothing.

[86] I mean, literally, nothing.

[87] And 10 years later, in that decade, you know, there was a man on the moon.

[88] Well, depending if you believe on that or not.

[89] But, uh, yeah, my point is humans can get, we can, if backed against the wall, we can get some incredible things down.

[90] And if he would have used that as a mandate to say, look, this is a national security issue.

[91] You know, we're going to, but.

[92] Yeah, but you're sounding like he's like a real president.

[93] Well, that's true.

[94] Well, I'm just saying the opportunity, well, the opportunity was there.

[95] The opportunity was there, but unfortunately, that opportunity could have been capitalized on people other than the people that were monopolizing the natural resources.

[96] And that wasn't going to happen.

[97] The real issue is always money because the money's being monopolized right now.

[98] There's such a mass amount of wealth that's connected to oil that it's almost if you let people control that, the amount of money they have, they could have a giant crazy army in like a year.

[99] You have to be really careful of that.

[100] And it's a shame that, you know, when you drive from Vegas to California and you see those gigantic, fucking open desert fields where there's just nothing, those could all be just filled up with solar panels.

[101] They could just be plugging cars in.

[102] The cars they have now are getting close.

[103] Like they have that Tesla, that Model S. Yeah.

[104] That's getting really close.

[105] I mean, it's crazy.

[106] What other technology do you use?

[107] that's 100 years old.

[108] Yeah.

[109] In your life, think about it.

[110] Can you name one fucking thing you use day to day that's 100 years old?

[111] Air conditioning's not 100 fucking years old.

[112] So what's 100 years old?

[113] What's 100 years old?

[114] And the internal combustion ended.

[115] But do you think that it's the most fun?

[116] The problem with those electric engines.

[117] You know, I've never driven an electric car.

[118] They're missing something.

[119] They're golf carts.

[120] They're missing soul.

[121] It makes me sad.

[122] Oh, God, what the fuck was that car that guy made?

[123] I forget where I saw it but a dude high performance electric cars it's kind of a does a hand -built thing cars like a hundred grand or some bullshit like that but the numbers on it are sick is that the Tesla Roadster no this is a hand -built thing this guy makes some one -offs oh really what fuck did I see that I can't remember I'm terrible with that but anyway the numbers on it are crazy and it's just like the torque there's no lag there's no nothing it's instant you know everything's electric it's better yeah so it's just sad yeah it's it can be better but he was actually running eighth mile drags with it wow and uh it's pretty slick they're very fast yeah i mean there's i don't know it's you wonder i mean it's got to go there i mean right well it seems like it's going there but it tried to go there before did you ever see that um documentary who killed the electric car yeah i think there's got to be something better than what we're doing.

[124] It's this burning shit and, you know, that's how you get things done.

[125] It seems like really stupid at this point.

[126] But so does this nuclear thing.

[127] That seems like a really stupid idea too.

[128] You know, I'm not educated enough on the nuclear thing.

[129] I hear both arguments.

[130] But if you look at, you know, it takes, it's kind of like the old joke that, you know, you can build a thousand bridges but suck one dick.

[131] They don't remember you as a bridge builder.

[132] It's like you can build a thousand nuclear plants But have one Fukushima But the problem is there's been a few There's three mile island There's the Fukushima And is it four mile island or three mile on Four?

[133] Three?

[134] Three mile on Yeah I said four on the podcast four Apologies apologies ladies and gentlemen Fukushima Those are two And Chernobyl That's three So there's three spots on earth But you can't really count Russian nuclear plants are just a bad fucking idea all the way around.

[135] I think everybody's nuclear pants a bad idea.

[136] Yeah, but I mean, Russians, come on, man. But my point was that you're dealing with less than 100 years of use, and you already have three spots that are completely ruined forever.

[137] Right, right.

[138] Forever.

[139] Like longer than people and have ever been alive.

[140] Right.

[141] You know, you go back 100 ,000 years ago, what did that dude look like?

[142] 200 ,000 years ago.

[143] Was that even a person?

[144] Right.

[145] You know, if you ran into that thing, run it around.

[146] on naked, eating fucking squirrels with his face, that's barely a person.

[147] And that's how long from there to now where it's like, that's like the half -life.

[148] Before anybody can go back and have a picnic.

[149] And you still get sick.

[150] Sure.

[151] You know, it's still not healthy.

[152] It's not like living near a fucking fresh spring.

[153] It's creepy, man. I haven't kept up with the Fukushima shit.

[154] I heard that there was now, I don't know about the radiation and all that shit, but they were saying that there's actually debris now, washing up in Canada and on the West Coast and shit like that.

[155] It's radioactive.

[156] It's made its way all over here.

[157] Yeah, it's really weird.

[158] It's not just that.

[159] There's an inevitable loss of this water that they're using to cool down the reactor keeps getting into the ocean.

[160] It's getting into the ocean in the tune of millions of gallons.

[161] So they send the water in to cool it and then pump it back in the ocean?

[162] Well, it's not even that they pump it.

[163] It leaks out.

[164] There's a lot of leakage.

[165] They're trying to develop a system of holding it.

[166] in place now.

[167] It involves drilling these giant holes deep, deep into the ground and then inserting this machine that was essentially permafrost the ground.

[168] And so there's like tubes and you would freeze these tubes.

[169] So there's all these holes in the ground and then around it you would place this machine that freezes this shit out of everything.

[170] So it's a giant containment wall, millions of gallons of containment wall for keeping in this insane nuclear water waste but the issue is of course you have to keep the power on to keep this machine on and the whole point with you guys fucked up was your power went off and then you couldn't cool the reactor down so you're doing another thing that's based on power right when you've already been it's sort of been shown that we have these ideas of what mother nature can or can't throw at us and it's only based on a limited window of time that we've been measuring it less than you know a few hundred years sure and even you know 200 years ago who doesn't fuck knows what kind of shit bag equipment they were figuring out what the what speed the wind was when it was coming in they didn't really know so that's a blink of a fucking eye in terms of the the world and how how the weather changes you know the weather can shift radically and they're it can do some really crazy shit so for you to count on you being able to keep the power on is just ridiculous you count on being able to turn it back on yes I'm sure you'll probably be able to turn it back on but count on keeping it on.

[171] Right.

[172] And if you don't keep it on, what happens?

[173] That thaws out and all the fucking nuclear water, a trillion gallons goes flooding into the fucking ocean.

[174] Yeah, that's a pretty big risk when you're, that's a big bet.

[175] It's weird.

[176] It's just weird.

[177] It's weird that we're, it's boiled down to that.

[178] It's like, how did this, this seems like a chess game that someone treated like checkers.

[179] Right.

[180] It's like they figure, can we make it?

[181] Let's fucking do it.

[182] Can we do a nuclear power plant?

[183] Let's do it.

[184] Let's do it.

[185] Hey, we can do it.

[186] What happens the power goes out?

[187] Oh, dude, don't worry about that.

[188] That's human nature, man. We've been doing that shit for, you know, since we came out of the cave.

[189] Yeah, but this is one of the most dangerous examples of it.

[190] The idea that you could just completely poison the environment, to the point of, like, if you were an alien...

[191] DDT?

[192] It would look like venom.

[193] DDT?

[194] Yeah.

[195] I mean, fucking cigarettes.

[196] Sure, sure.

[197] Tobacco.

[198] I mean, how many millions of people has that killed over the years?

[199] Yeah.

[200] You know, and it's just...

[201] Humans aren't the brightest fucking...

[202] Sharp as knife in the door when it comes to shit like that.

[203] How much better are those e -cigarettes?

[204] How much better are those things?

[205] I don't know.

[206] I don't know anything about.

[207] I've never smoked, and I don't know anything about that stuff.

[208] It's one of the more dirty aspects of politics is that you'll never see a politician talk about cigarettes.

[209] Too much money, man. Too much cash.

[210] Isn't that amazing?

[211] Isn't that amazing, though?

[212] I mean, what a weird commitment to something that poisons people.

[213] But think about if you're a politician.

[214] or if that's if you're in the business of government here's an item that no matter whenever you get into a tough spot you just fucking pass a syntax you know cigarettes and booze people will bitch it ain't like they won't buy it yeah you know yeah you're gonna tax it further trying to prevent this terrible plague and that's how you spin it you know the way we're trying to prevent this terrible plague is by charging millions and millions of dollars from it and thus being connected to it inexorable Yeah, they don't ever let go of money Once they figure out a way to make money from something They just keep the law the same It's very difficult to create laws That stop politicians from making as much money To cut their money back in certain situations like this This idea that that's the will of the people It's so fucking stupid It's a creepy fucking organization we have It's uh I don't know man I like the idea that our country started out with that you know when you went to government it was service it wasn't a full time it wasn't meant to be a full -time position yeah we weren't meant to have senators with 40 fucking year seniority in the senate yeah you know it was meant that you went you did your service you represented your district or your your local area and you know then you went home and the next guy went yeah and we've turned into like basically any other long -standing country with a ruling class And they put R's and Ds in front of their names to give somebody something to hang on to to vote for.

[215] It's all the same shit.

[216] Not only that, they absolutely provably force out the other parties.

[217] Absolutely provably make it much more difficult for them to be involved in debates.

[218] If you look at the coverage of anybody that's outside of the standard two choices, the coverage from, they learned from Ross Perrault.

[219] I'll tell you what.

[220] Ross Perrault threw a fucking billion -dollar monkey.

[221] You mentioned in their fucking plans.

[222] Yeah, he did.

[223] The folks who were young and full of life, you don't remember Ross Perrault.

[224] Ross Perrault cost George Bush a second term.

[225] Yeah, Ross Perot was a bad motherfucker.

[226] That's why Clinton won.

[227] He came around, Ross Perot came around, and all of a sudden, there was this billionaire dude explaining how the government works, explaining the federal debt, explaining the federal bank, explaining taxes.

[228] And you're like, wait, what the fuck is going on?

[229] He took out buying time on network television.

[230] That's what's so gangster about him because he was before the internet.

[231] This was not going on when everybody was online.

[232] This was like early 90s.

[233] Yeah.

[234] You know, what was it?

[235] What year was it?

[236] The Clinton got on.

[237] The election was 92, right?

[238] Yeah, 92.

[239] Yeah, man. I remember my friend John was like helping with his campaign.

[240] He never helped with anybody's campaign.

[241] He's like, this motherfucker is going to get rid of all the crooks.

[242] He was so excited about him.

[243] People were excited about Ross Perot was like the original Ron Paul.

[244] Right.

[245] But Ross Perot was way more gangster.

[246] because he had all that cash.

[247] They had the money.

[248] And he had a way of talking, see?

[249] Here's a problem.

[250] Crazy old ball -headed fuck from down in Texas.

[251] Going to tell you that was.

[252] Yeah, that was a real interesting thing.

[253] So from there, they changed the Commission for Presidential Debates or whatever they call it, which is a privately funded institution.

[254] You know, corporations back it.

[255] It's not like it's a government program.

[256] So they can decide who gets a debate.

[257] Who doesn't?

[258] There's a Ross.

[259] What's crazy?

[260] A process in one.

[261] where after you've served for a while, you cash in, become a foreign lobbyist, make $30 ,000 a month, then take a leave, work on presidential campaigns, make sure you've got good contacts, and then go back out.

[262] Now, if you just want to get down to brass tax, first thing you ought to do is get all these folks that have got these one -way trade agreements that we've negotiated over the years, and say, fellas, we'll take the same deal we gave you, and they'll gridlock right at that point, because, for example, we've got international competitors who simply could not unload their cars off the ships.

[263] If they had to comply, you see, if it was a two -way street, just couldn't do it.

[264] We have got to stop sending jobs overseas.

[265] It's probably a good thing he didn't win, though.

[266] Really?

[267] Otherwise, we'd be occupying China right now.

[268] Do you think so?

[269] $14 an hour for factory workers.

[270] And you can move your factory south to the border.

[271] Pay a dollar an hour for labor.

[272] That's assume you've been in business for a long time.

[273] You've got a mature workforce.

[274] Pay a dollar an hour for your labor.

[275] Have no health care.

[276] That's the most expensive single element making a car, have no environmental controls, no pollution controls, and no retirement.

[277] And you don't care about anything but making money.

[278] There will be a giant sucking sound going south.

[279] So if the people send me to Washington, the first thing I'll do is study that 2 ,000 -page agreement.

[280] Bill's looking at the chick in the second row.

[281] One last point here.

[282] I've decided I was dumb and didn't understand it, so I called the who's -who of the folks have been around it.

[283] And I said, why won't everybody go south?

[284] They say, we'll be disruptive.

[285] I said, for how long?

[286] I finally got them up for 12 to 15 years.

[287] And I said, well, how does it stop being disruptive?

[288] And that is when their jobs come up from a dollar an hour to $6 an hour and hours go down to $6 an hour, then it's leveled again.

[289] But in the meantime, you've wrecked the country with these kinds of deals.

[290] Holy shit.

[291] You've got to cut it out.

[292] Thank you, Mr. President.

[293] Holy shit.

[294] Ross Perrault was calling shit in 1992.

[295] He was a gangster.

[296] I mean, how correct was that, though?

[297] What's funny is, he was just talking about the office.

[298] industry.

[299] I spent 10 years in the auto industry.

[300] I worked for Ford Motor Company for almost a decade.

[301] And I took a buyout.

[302] And our plant actually closed a few years ago, the plant that I worked at in Indianapolis.

[303] But that industry is not the same.

[304] And it's gone.

[305] And people, and yeah, there's a lot of shit with the union.

[306] And, you know, you can argue both sides of that.

[307] And it's like most things, there's, you know, somewhere in the middle is the truth.

[308] But, you know, that whole way of life for a big part of this country, that auto industry, was, you know, that was, that is the middle class.

[309] That was the middle class.

[310] You know, you could go to work for one of those companies or one of the companies that supplied that industry and work 30 years and raise a family and your kids could have a better life than you.

[311] And that's all gone now.

[312] Yeah, there was a possibility for a guy to get a really good job without an education.

[313] Just, you know, you could get a really good job that paid really well and you could have a good living.

[314] Yeah.

[315] You know, you could have a boat.

[316] You could have, you know, you'd have toys.

[317] You could have, go on vacation.

[318] You could have two cars.

[319] And you could, you know, I mean, like, when I was there, if you just worked a straight 40 hours, you'd make about 60 ,000 a year.

[320] Now, 60 ,000 a year in Indiana.

[321] or in the Midwest, it's decent money.

[322] If you worked overtime, you could get up 80 to 100 grand.

[323] But you could, if you worked your ass off 712s, all the overtime you could get, you could top out about 120.

[324] But that's literally living your life in the plant seven days a week, 12 hours a day.

[325] Did anybody do that?

[326] Yes.

[327] And I'll tell you what, that was, I'm glad I did that because I was able to see that culture of, and there was a long history there of, because at least with Ford Motor Company, nepotism was a well -established thing.

[328] That's how they did business.

[329] They hired sons.

[330] They hired daughters.

[331] You know, I was third generation for Ford Motor Company.

[332] I worked with guys.

[333] I literally worked with three generations of the same family.

[334] Wow.

[335] Grandfather, father, and son.

[336] And it's, what years were this?

[337] This was, I hired on in 97 to December 2006 is when I left in December 2006.

[338] So just when the Mustang started getting good again.

[339] Right.

[340] Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[341] They figured it out after all those years.

[342] But it, and there was a lot of institutional memory.

[343] And it was the only place I've ever worked where people, at a factory environment.

[344] Because I'm from the Midwest and I always worked in machine shops, tools, and die places, stuff like that.

[345] And that place, you were proud to work there.

[346] You are happy to work there, at least in the beginning.

[347] But, I mean, a lot of people, that was one of the ways they defined their lives.

[348] They were a UAW Ford Motor employee, and it sounds silly to people who, you know, don't understand it or anything like that.

[349] But you have to realize you're talking about people that they weren't going to.

[350] They didn't have to wake up one day and make a choice between being a doctor and being an auto worker.

[351] That wasn't their fucking options on the table.

[352] Their options on the table were be an auto worker, be able to send your kids to school and have a nice life, or go out and scramble for six and $7 an hour jobs for the rest of your life.

[353] And that's, so guys who bought into that, they bought into that whole dream.

[354] That thing of, you know, and the company pushed that.

[355] You know, we're in this together, company and union and, you know, quality and all this other shit.

[356] And people bought into it.

[357] And that was why there was such a big backlash when people figured out that, you know, no matter what the fuck you do on the line, it's not going to make a difference if the asshole up in Detroit decides to build a dog shit car.

[358] Or decides to, like, go buy fucking Jaguar and lose hundreds of millions of dollars on shit like.

[359] that.

[360] And so that's how plants get closed.

[361] Yeah.

[362] And not only that, it's just, we lost our plant because all our shit went to Mexico.

[363] Wow.

[364] I mean, it got to the point.

[365] And the reason why our plant started, I want to say in 1958 was when it opened.

[366] When you have a plant that fucking old, eventually, you know, it just gets to the point where it costs more to fix shit than it does to move it somewhere else.

[367] So why would you spend?

[368] $200 million rehabbing a plant that's 50 years old when you could go down to Mexico get out from under all the fucking retirement all the all the bullshit that you know has accrued here for right it wrong and so they just finally were like fuck it we're done so what Ford did was they actually formed a company they kept all their plants that assembled cars under and they called them Ford plants all their plants that built parts if you didn't put a car together if you put a car together you were a Ford employee if you didn't they spun all their parts plants off which didn't generate money they were actually so they spun all their parts plants off into a company called Vistion GM did the same thing with Delphi so they spend all these plants off and they say okay you're on your own now we're going to give you your own company and you're going to have to go out and you have to make your own money pay your own bills but here's the fucking trick these were Ford plants on Monday.

[369] On Tuesday, they're Vistion plants.

[370] So now they're on their own.

[371] They're on the open market.

[372] They have to make their own money.

[373] But guess what?

[374] They've only got one customer, Ford fucking Motor Company, because that's who they've made plants.

[375] They were Ford on Monday.

[376] So they were always made parts for them.

[377] So now what happens?

[378] Ford comes to these companies before.

[379] They knew they were losing money when they spun them off to make parts at the cost that Ford was paying.

[380] And Ford says you're going to have to do better on that.

[381] the price we're going to have to cut you off and these are all Ford people and so what happens is now they start cutting and it just it was a you know it was a long way for them to close a bunch of plants GM went through the same thing and and that's how they justify the moves to Mexico yeah it's it's you know it was why did the car suck you know the cars I think a lot of it had to do when I was there the cars were dog shit in the 80s you know what happened it's well quality I mean it was Japan brought in the quality aspect of it right and you know the old saying don't ever buy a car assembled on a Friday you know if you ever hear that yeah shit like that you know that was Detroit that was America that was the American auto industry in the 70s and 80s and then they were just fat living the high on the hog I mean they were just you know there was You'd hear stories about these guys they used to have show up, no show jobs, to where at one time, our plant had like 5 ,000 employees there.

[382] When I worked there, we had like 2 ,200, and we were doing more work than the guys did in, you know, the 80s with 5 ,000.

[383] But they would have guys, they would have, they called them break off jobs.

[384] So say you're working a 10 -hour shift.

[385] You would go in, you would go in and work two hours, and then you'd break off.

[386] And the other guy would come in, and he would work two.

[387] hours and he'd break off and you do that so because what it was is each job had a set rate so what the thing is they said understanding you what do you mean by break off like you okay say you each say you're on a line okay right and you've got to take this fucking cup and put it here pour some shit in it and then put it there what they would do is they would say that's a two -man job so one guy would take this cup and he would set it here the other guy would pour some shit and then move it here now eight hours a day well One guy can do that.

[388] So for eight hours, you've got two men on this job.

[389] I would tell this guy, go get lost for two hours, and then I would do both jobs.

[390] And then he comes back?

[391] And then he'd come back, and he would do both jobs.

[392] And so that's how you do the eight hours you actually only work for.

[393] Yeah, exactly.

[394] Two shifts.

[395] And those were called breakoff jobs.

[396] And their plant was rife with them.

[397] That's interesting.

[398] And then they went through and they killed all that shit, which they're supposed to.

[399] So a guy could, like, go to the gym, how much?

[400] It got so fucking bad.

[401] guys were only doing a day on a day off.

[402] They would come in, run their card to show they were there, and then jet.

[403] And then, you know, one guy would work Monday, one guy would work Tuesday, one guy would work Wednesday.

[404] So you can understand in some ways, the need to get rid of American labor.

[405] Right.

[406] So they just decided.

[407] At that point, when it gets that bad, yeah, there has to be a correction.

[408] And I also lived in Kentucky, and I saw when Toyota came in there before I worked for Ford.

[409] No, before I worked before, when I was a kid, I went to college in Kentucky.

[410] And then the summers, I worked for a Toyota Parks Plant down there.

[411] So I saw that side of the auto industry before I ever saw the big money union side.

[412] And the way that worked was equally as fucked up.

[413] But on the other end of the scale, what they would do is they would hire temp workers, okay, and they would go in and you would do, you know, assembly work, whatever the fuck it was.

[414] And they would dangle this idea of a full -time job in front of.

[415] Now, this is in southeastern Kentucky, where if you could make $15 an hour in 1993, you could live.

[416] You could own a house.

[417] I mean, because the shit, I mean, $40 ,000 a year there is a great wage because there's nothing.

[418] I mean, it's Walmart or nothing.

[419] Or you, you know, you sell weed.

[420] That's it.

[421] But what they would do is they would hire these temps in, say, look, you got a 90 -day probation period.

[422] you can work if we like you will hire you you get benefits you get all this bullshit problem is and they hired you through a temp agency problem is they never fucking hired anybody they'd work you for 89 days and then say we don't need you tomorrow send you home and bring another guy in so they never hired anybody oh wow they just kept their employee filled with temps yeah and then you know they would find there certain positions where they needed you know supervisors, quality guys, shit like that, skilled positions, and they would hire those people full time.

[423] But grunts on the line and shit like that, I mean, you were cannon fodder.

[424] It's really interesting because there's like a cause and effect.

[425] There's, you know, there's things were out of control.

[426] But the, the counter effect of that is to just not have it up here at all.

[427] Yeah.

[428] Which is really interesting.

[429] It's, and I don't know where it's, to me, what it is is it's, it's basically it's just, we were losing the middle class.

[430] We've lost it.

[431] And I can see both arguments for that.

[432] You know, it's, I'm kind of a guy, like, now what I do, I go work in casinos, and I have to work with unions, and it makes me want to pull my fucking hair out.

[433] It's the most brutal shit in the world.

[434] Did you see the culinary union is in front of the tropical screaming screaming of people?

[435] Right.

[436] See the video?

[437] I put it up on YouTube today.

[438] Dana White let me know about it.

[439] This culinary union has been trying to keep the UFC out of New York.

[440] New York's the last date, last holdout.

[441] And it's all because of the culinary union.

[442] Culinary unions spend a shitload of money because of the station casinos here, right?

[443] Yes, because the same company that owns a UFC owns station casinos and their non -union.

[444] And then their employees voted for them to be non -union allegedly.

[445] Right.

[446] According to the information I've read.

[447] I shouldn't say allegedly, I should say, to the best of my knowledge, they didn't want it to be union.

[448] They would have to pay union dues.

[449] If you get paid well by your company, you don't have to, you know.

[450] No, yeah, they're so.

[451] They're like yelling at people while these people were going into this casino they're telling people not to go in because the casino's not union so they're being bullies they're they're bullying people that are walking into the casino that's just so it's so unfortunate because it used to be that unions were there to make sure that people have a good wage and protect your rights and make sure that you can you know you get a fair share of of your you know your effort that helps build that business it's a great idea but like all great ideas sometimes they get contaminated with cunts and that's the cons and the fact that people found out that it's a way to make easy money.

[452] Well, the amount of money that they would win if they had station casinos turned union, like in the millions and billions a year.

[453] Well, it's not even as much money.

[454] It is as much money, but as much as it is money, it's power.

[455] And influence.

[456] Yeah, and voting.

[457] I mean, it really is a national thing.

[458] I remember every time, because I was always, I mean, if I had to put a label on myself, I'm right.

[459] I would lean conservative, I would lean to the right, but I don't identify with either party.

[460] But the union, every election would come up, and they would say, look, you got to vote for the Democrat no matter what, because if not, these Republicans, they're going to take your job, they're going to rape your children, you know, they're going to put your wife in the basement.

[461] And they were just, and they were a single issue thing.

[462] And to me, you know, okay, yeah, if I vote for this, I vote for my job, but I'm also voting against almost everything else I'd vote.

[463] believe in.

[464] So, but if I, and if I don't go that way, then you're going to call me an asshole and I'm supposedly a union brother.

[465] You know what I mean?

[466] But if I decide to go a different way, now I'm a prick.

[467] Well, that becomes a problem in almost any organization when you have very controlled, you know, you have a controlled environment where it's not based in the opinion of the masses.

[468] You're supposed to go with the way that the head of the snake wants to go.

[469] Exactly.

[470] It becomes a problem in every single organization.

[471] As soon as you, there's some sort of a struggle rules are set down everything becomes defined now it's an ideology now you're part of a tribe right now it goes bad yeah it's just we don't do good like that man and when we're it's us versus them it's oh almost always it turns out shitty it's like you got to realize there's no them it's you know you make everybody us it's it's it's possible as a human race to make everybody us doesn't have to be an us versus them it's just you have to find out the elements of society that are problematic and figure out how to fix them or root them out but you know what i think since time began somewhere there was a fucking caveman standing on top of whatever the hill was it had the best shade and the cleanest water and you know and that's all day and it's it's you look throughout the world i mean in america we've been able to pretty it up saying the edges off you know we make it look nice and but it's the same shit it's exactly the same shit when you see Obama decrying the use of chemical weapons think about how many motherfuckers have died by drones right it's like come on son that's ridiculous what you're doing is it's okay to use robots that shoot hellfire missiles from the sky right but it's not okay to use chemicals come on you're being a silly man yeah it's the same shit it's I tell you what man I was really surprised that you got hand it to Putin for how he handled that situation.

[472] He's gangster as fuck.

[473] I mean, he made Obama look like a child.

[474] Well, he makes Obama look like a child on a regular.

[475] Did you hear about the time they met at this conference?

[476] They were supposed to be at this conference, and Obama's people wanted the gym at the same time that Putin wanted the gym?

[477] And there was like a scheduling conflict.

[478] So Putin said, I don't give a shit.

[479] Let him have the gym.

[480] So he went swimming in the lake outside the gym.

[481] Putin jumps in the lake and he's doing laps in the fucking lake out there with nature.

[482] while Obama's doing aerobics with scrunchy socks I mean Putin is gangster as fuck he goes fly fish and bear chested riding fucking buffaloes and shit he's an animal yeah he's a savage and I don't know if that's good or bad I don't know if it's good or bad I guess it's bad if you're his enemy there's a great documentary I think it's the Canadian Brock CBC did I think that's called the Putin's Putin Putin whatever the fuck his name is the Putin system and it traces his history from the time he was in college to now and how he got to where he is.

[483] And look at that.

[484] Greetings from Russia.

[485] Right?

[486] He's out fishing and shit.

[487] It's handsome bastard.

[488] Even while balding.

[489] Somehow I know that he manages to carry it well.

[490] But that program, I guess when he was in high school, he went to a KGB office and said, I want to be in the fucking KGB.

[491] And the KGB said, we'll tell you who's going to be in the fucking KGB.

[492] But if you are, This is what we're looking for.

[493] So he went to college and basically followed the guidance he was given.

[494] And sure enough, they tapped him when he was in college, and he went into the KGB.

[495] The old school, this is Russia.

[496] Missiles pointed at us, you know, shit.

[497] But that's how he got to start.

[498] And people that are a lot fucking smarter than me that have been all over the world, and I pay attention to what they say, all say that this guy is.

[499] a problem.

[500] I mean, he's going to be a fucking issue.

[501] And if you look at what he's done the last 15 years, you know, I mean, he was president of Russia and then term limits kick in or whatever.

[502] And he's like, okay, I can't be president.

[503] I'll be fucking prime minister.

[504] And so he has a, he elects his buddy, you know, president or whatever, his term ends.

[505] And he goes, okay, I'm going to be president again.

[506] So, I mean, this guy, he's just, he's a fucking gangster and he needs to be respected.

[507] But there's, I've noticed in the U .S., it's like there's this feeling that, oh, he's a cool guy.

[508] Yeah.

[509] You know, he's this, you know, he's not a cool guy.

[510] Well, there's a lot of confusion in the U .S. amongst what I'll call progressive kids.

[511] It's young people that their heart is in the right place, and they are, they have some good ideas.

[512] about the inequalities of the world but they approach them in a very strange way like people and progressive people will consistently talk about Islamophobia and they will talk about how you know the restrictions on people's religious freedoms that are Muslim people that are Islamic that this is like a really horrendous piece of racism yet they will openly criticize Christianity openly mockingly criticize Mormonism openly mockingly criticize and it's like as any smart person would know blank you know and but yet Islam is because these people are brown because the idea that they've been marginalized because many people that are from that culture are not violent at all just like many Christians are not violent at all and they should not be defined by the or the most radical aspects of their religion.

[513] I agree with that wholeheartedly 100%.

[514] But I don't ever see progressive people getting on people for making fun of Christians.

[515] It's like it's du rigueur.

[516] It's part of the program.

[517] Everybody's got to have their whipping boy, you know?

[518] It's interesting.

[519] That was kind of one of the things that I don't know what it is in this country.

[520] It seems in particular with the whole fucking hipster thing which you know but it seems like you know when I was and I don't want to get into the because I am getting to be an old motherfucker but you know to me when I was raised up it was you know you you were taught that it was okay to be proud of where you're from or where you grew up and it struggles and you know you were taught fucking history you know I mean I look now I talk to some kids like high school kids friends of mine's kids that are 13, 14, 15 years old, and I ask them, you know, you know, just about any kind of American history.

[521] And some of the shit they tell me just blows my fucking mind.

[522] Most of it is what they don't know, you know.

[523] Yeah, they all know almost nothing.

[524] Right.

[525] And how it's all being tilted.

[526] And I'll tell you, here's a perfect fucking example.

[527] There's a great video I was watching, and it was a guy giving a talk on the Constitution.

[528] and he asked he had a room full of this guy it was a class and a firearm school so you've got a bunch of right -wing fucking you know the left would say god -loving gun -toting these guys you know constitutional guys as you would think so he says he starts off and he asks you know basically name me the four members of the simpsons family everyone in that fucking place could name him all four members of the Simpsons.

[529] He said, now, name me the four rights guaranteed you under the First Amendment of the Constitution.

[530] Nobody could do it.

[531] These are adults.

[532] I couldn't do it.

[533] I could name me three, but I couldn't name you four.

[534] What's the fourth?

[535] What are they?

[536] The right to petition your government for redress, right to assembly, freedom of the press, freedom of religion.

[537] Hmm.

[538] There's the four rights guaranteed you under the First Amendment.

[539] Isn't it fascinating that even back then they were engineering against tyranny.

[540] Fuck, yes, they were.

[541] They knew.

[542] They're like, listen, this could get bad.

[543] Like, we have a good idea right now, and we're establishing it here right now, but this could get bad.

[544] If it gets infected with the very cunts that are infecting it right now.

[545] And they knew it was getting infected.

[546] If you go back and you look at the shit they did, and what happens is everybody, you know, the people on the other side of this marginalize it because they say, oh, well, they own slaves.

[547] Oh, well, okay, four -fifths of a man or whatever.

[548] You know, and they marginalize all the good shit by the bad shit, you know, and that's true.

[549] Yeah, some of the shit they did didn't make sense.

[550] But that doesn't mean the shit that they did do that does make sense is irrelevant.

[551] Well, it doesn't make sense today, and that's what people have to understand.

[552] There's things that we do today that will be considered barbaric a thousand years from now.

[553] There's no doubt about it.

[554] Absolutely.

[555] There's privatized prisons will be looked down upon with incredible contempt and scorn.

[556] Privateized prisons will go down in history as one of the most ignored, horrific injustices.

[557] The idea that people can profit and that they can spend their money to make sure that people get locked up more often so that they can profit.

[558] It's incredibly insane.

[559] There's a lot of shit that's going to go down in our future, in the future of human beings, where this day will be criticized openly for human rights violations.

[560] All the shit that we were talking about earlier where you're allowing people to work, you know, in a foreign country, third world country for a fraction of amount of money that it would take.

[561] You're insuring poverty, you know, taking full advantage on disenfranchised human beings.

[562] That's going to be looked in the future upon, you know, they're going to look on that like that's a horrific thing, just like slavery.

[563] But you know what?

[564] At the same time you know, if you're a guy in China and your options are maybe starve to death if the fucking rains don't come that year, or go work for, you know, a dollar a day in a Nike factory and live in a dormitory and work your ass off from dawn to dust, but you're going to eat.

[565] You know, it's, you know, one of the best things that I was, I was watching, I forget what the fuck it was, but a guy wasn't Thomas Friedman.

[566] Maybe it was Friedman, but he was talking about, like, what's going on in China right now.

[567] It's like the last 100 years of American history all going on at the same time.

[568] Wow.

[569] Because you're going from an agrarian, and certain parts of the country, it's going from an agrarian society, you know, to where basically it was almost subsistence farming.

[570] You know, they would raise crops, they would sell, and that's what they did.

[571] You went up, you work every day so you didn't fucking starve in the winter.

[572] And then you've got other parts that are going through almost the early 1900s with, you know, the industrial revolution and all the problems that go through that.

[573] and then you go to certain parts of it, and it's cutting edge, you know, 21st century technology and finance and everything else.

[574] But you've got all this going on in one country.

[575] And that's, you know, that's kind of like a microcosm of what's going on all over the world.

[576] When you go to these certain places like Malaysia or Bangladesh or some of these other fucked up countries, you know, can you blame a guy for going and sewing shoes for a dollar a day if his only option is to starve to death?

[577] No, I totally understand.

[578] Is the guy who comes and brings that job?

[579] You know, is he a complete fucking asshole for doing it?

[580] Or, you know.

[581] Yeah, no, there's that argument.

[582] It's like many things in life, there's no real black and white.

[583] I mean, I don't know the answer.

[584] I mean, it's like, to me, I see if you're a hardcore capitalist, then, and I believe in capitalism, then it's, you know, then you, you know, if the smart that can adapt and, and, improvise and adapt will will prosper yeah and if perfect example like me you know i mean i was a fucking auto worker and it was it was a mindless job it was retarded how much money they paid us to do this shit i'll be the first one to tell you 32 dollars an hour to take this and go like that i mean over and over and over it was fucking crazy and benefits better than almost anyone in the country from the time i was born until december of 2006 I almost never paid a doctor bill.

[585] Wow.

[586] Because I was covered under that program.

[587] That's incredible.

[588] Yeah.

[589] Eyeglasses, all pretty much free.

[590] I mean, just everything.

[591] How much more money must they have been making now than they were making back then?

[592] I don't know.

[593] The profit margins must be insane.

[594] You would think, I mean, I haven't kept up with the auto industry because it was one of those things to where I lived it every day.

[595] You know, it was, at one point when I was there, you could ask.

[596] The dumbest, toothless -looking motherfucker on the floor what the stock price that day, and he could probably tell you.

[597] Wow.

[598] Because there was profit sharing.

[599] Wow.

[600] So the stock was up.

[601] We're getting a check.

[602] Wow.

[603] That's incredible.

[604] Yeah.

[605] And everybody was like, you know what, man, these Mexicans are not going to get a check.

[606] They're going to get a dollar an hour and no check.

[607] And the rest of that money goes to us.

[608] Well, one of the things that they used to tell us, and I don't know, I've never seen a fucking Mexican auto plant but they said that one of the biggest differences when you looked at a Mexican auto plant compared to an American auto plant Mexican auto plants don't have parking lots because their workers don't have cars they don't drive.

[609] They bus them in or they walk.

[610] Something happened, man. I don't know what the fuck happened but something absolutely happened in the design aspect of American cars where they went from the coolest looking fucking things of all time to shit in 10 years.

[611] I think it was corporate.

[612] If you go back and you look at the cool fucking cars, Zora Dantov with the Corvette, Carol Shelby, you know.

[613] If you're a weirdo, you go into the 50s.

[614] Yeah.

[615] If you're a weirdo.

[616] Yeah.

[617] But if you're a regular guy who appreciates a muscle car, you stay in the 60s to about 73.

[618] Right.

[619] Well, 70, yeah.

[620] Well, that was the, was it cafe?

[621] Was that what it was?

[622] Well, 73, they came out with that fucked up.

[623] up chival yeah like the chival that looked like shit with the Mustang two and all that bullshit like the early mid -70s but what that was insurance and gas you know it's right when they made them put in the you couldn't have a car that got four miles a gallon anymore you know yeah the catalytic converters and then switching to unleaded gasoline that was all that all harmed the muscle cars you know I was thinking about it today about on the way over here um You know, you hear all that, like now that, you know, government shut down, all this shit, and people are saying, you know, the United States could default on the debt, and we could all end up fucked, and you hear all the gloom and doom scenarios.

[624] But I was thinking about it, and I thought, you know what, man, I'm old enough to remember gas lines.

[625] You know, I was a kid.

[626] I was a little kid, but I remember that.

[627] And I remember people talking about it.

[628] And just, you know, when everybody was out of work, Carter was president, you know, I was born in 73.

[629] So I remember I'm, you know, like five, six years old, shit like that.

[630] But, you know, and it's not that bad yet.

[631] No. But the difference is with social media, everyone's so much more connected now.

[632] Because back then, you know, the only time you got your global fix was at 30 minutes at night between 5 and 5 .30 or 6 o 'clock when the news was on.

[633] And now you can't fucking get away from it.

[634] It must have been so easy to run the world back then.

[635] Think about it.

[636] And they still got busted with that Oliver North thing, and it was still on TV.

[637] Even back then, which is hard to believe, because it must have been so easy to hide shit.

[638] And it still just blew up in their faces.

[639] Well, I'm reading a book right now called The Way of the Knife.

[640] And it's a book about how basically we were talking about the drone shit and to where it's kind of the CIA.

[641] boondoggles of the 60s like they were trying to poison fucking Castro and all this other bullshit and Congress basically called them on it so I forget was it Ford I can't remember the president but basically wrote the presidential order that says no fucking assassination you know you assholes can no one in the go you can't assassinate another foreign official it's illegal no more and that was to stop all the bullshit with the CIA and because they were kind of running rogue there not only with cast row but in other parts of the world and uh it goes on and then the guy right makes a pretty interesting you know progress of how we got from that to after september you know 9 -11 it was like okay let's burn that motherfucker because now we're killing everybody and so and that's where we are today with this shit to where and what's crazy is Bush I was talking to a dude he was an instructor at a training class I was at and ex -special forces guy did like 20 years one of the most intelligent dudes I've ever met been all over the world done everything fucking twice and we were talking about and he goes you know people bitch about Obama about you know he's weak on this week on that but when Bush was in office They had, like, I think, 30 or 40 drone strikes in Pakistan.

[642] And then when Obama came in, hundreds.

[643] They were killing motherfuckers like it's free.

[644] And he's just like, you know, so the guys that are on the ground doing this shit are like, fuck yeah.

[645] You know, and it's crazy, though.

[646] There's a fucking target list.

[647] There's a list that if your fucking name is on it and you're in Pakistan, you're fucked.

[648] Yeah.

[649] missiles are coming from the sky.

[650] Right, exactly.

[651] Find out where you are.

[652] Missiles are coming from the sky, and you ain't going to make it.

[653] And a lot of times, fucking Obama has to check off on that.

[654] Yeah, and the amount of people that get killed that you're supposed to kill versus the amount of people that accidentally get killed, boy, is that a shocking number.

[655] Yeah, but 98 % the wrong people.

[656] Does it?

[657] Is that, I mean, yes.

[658] That's what I've read.

[659] I mean, obviously, I'm not out there.

[660] fucking counten bodies.

[661] I'm not giving you the most accurate readings humanly possible.

[662] I'm getting it based on a bunch of different things that I've read online.

[663] I don't know.

[664] Accurate sources.

[665] I could see that there's a lot of fuck -ups, but...

[666] It's in the 90s.

[667] I'm going to guess that, you know, I don't know.

[668] Maybe, but I could definitely see six guys being in a car and one of them being the guy.

[669] I mean, you know, there's a lot of guilt by association goals.

[670] There is no doubt about that, and there's no doubt about that if they get a chance to take you out and you happen to be with your friends, this is a time of war, and they're not going to miss out on that opportunity.

[671] There's a certain amount of casualties that are factored into every war, and that's just a fact of life.

[672] And if you're a key target, that's a rap son.

[673] We have this new thing.

[674] It's called a drone.

[675] It shoots hellfire missiles.

[676] Hello, hellfire missile.

[677] Hellfire missile.

[678] You gangster motherfuckers.

[679] That was one of the things that they were talking about in this book and about how they were able, you know, Pakistan's been playing the United States since this shit began.

[680] Because, I mean, the Taliban was created by fucking Pakistan.

[681] I thought the Taliban came out of the Mujahideen.

[682] No, the Taliban was basically created and ran by the ISI.

[683] Did Al -Qaeda come out of the Mujahideen?

[684] Yes.

[685] Okay.

[686] And the Taliban is a branch of Al -Qaeda, right?

[687] No. The Taliban.

[688] Taliban was set up basically by Pakistan after Russia pulled out of Afghanistan.

[689] There's fucking nobody to run it.

[690] It's warlords.

[691] You know, Wild West.

[692] The ISI, the Pakistani intelligence service, put together and backed this group and called themselves the Taliban, basically fundamentalist guys, helped them gain power, consolidate power in Afghanistan.

[693] the reason was the biggest thing Pakistan doesn't give a fuck about Afghanistan about anything the only thing they give a shit about is India Pakistan is scared to fucking death of India and if we see a nuclear war in our time it will probably be between India and Pakistan is my bet but so what they didn't want if you look at a map where the fuck is Afghanistan India is here Afghanistan's on the back door of Pakistan so what Pakistan doesn't want what they can't afford is to have an Indian client state and have India on two borders.

[694] So the Taliban was their way around that.

[695] The Taliban ran, controlled Afghanistan.

[696] They didn't run it because there's parts of that fucking country that you can't run.

[697] So that was what the Taliban was basically their strong man that they put in.

[698] Well, they fucked up when bin Laden came in and they sheltered him and did all this shit.

[699] and they pissed off America.

[700] So now, here comes America in October of 2001, you know, and just raises holy hell, goes up, gets the Northern Alliance, pushes them out.

[701] Well, during all this shit was going on, Pakistan's flying fucking Taliban leaders out before they can get captured by the U .S. The whole time they're telling the U .S., oh, yeah, go get this guy, go get that guy.

[702] So Pakistan has always given up the AQ guys.

[703] I mean the conspiracy theory side is that the government allowed those people to leave no absolutely I don't think it's a conspiracy I think it's kind of everybody I know I mean that they know that I've talked to guys and then this is all a part of their relationship with yeah well they they want you know Pakistan is not they'll give up the foreign fighters you know the assholes that are coming in the al Qaeda guys stuff like that I mean they've proven that they've captured al Qaeda guys and turned them over to the U .S. I mean I mean, they have a history of that.

[704] They have a history of throwing the U .S. a bone because they know they can't just go, it's going to be one or the other.

[705] Well, I think that there's a lot of profit in war, especially if it stays active.

[706] And I think the idea of completely resolving all the issues that you have and ending the war is not very profitable.

[707] And that's a fact.

[708] Look, one of the most profitable things ever in the history of humanity is the drug war.

[709] The drug war does not have an ending.

[710] There's no resolution.

[711] It's never going to happen.

[712] You're never going to stop people, especially with the hypocritical attitude that we have as a culture where we allow certain drugs.

[713] And often those drugs are the more dangerous ones.

[714] We allow those to be legal.

[715] But the more peaceful, enlightening, opening drugs that allow you to step outside of your normal predetermined patterns of behavior and sort of look at the world for what it really is, those are the ones that are illegal.

[716] It's a clear sign of a society report.

[717] And when a society's repressed, it fucking revolts.

[718] It has a freak out.

[719] To me, I think it all comes down.

[720] I don't give a fuck whatever the substance or item, whatever it is that the government says you can't have.

[721] It's about, you know, like I'm a gun guy.

[722] So that's my issue.

[723] You know, gun control is not about guns.

[724] It's about control.

[725] It's the same.

[726] Jamie.

[727] Can we get some of eyes?

[728] It's the same shit with drugs.

[729] Yeah.

[730] And what's crazy to me, what blows my fucking mind.

[731] Perfect example, okay.

[732] I'm driving today from Vegas.

[733] All right.

[734] There's this arbitrary fucking line in the desert between Nevada and California.

[735] Okay.

[736] Now, in Nevada, I have a concealed carry permit.

[737] I can carry a gun legally.

[738] Exercise my Second Amendment right.

[739] It's bullshit that I have to pay money and go through a class and to jump through these hoops to exercise this right in the first place.

[740] but I can exercise it if I play their game.

[741] Now, if I'm standing on this side of line, I'm 100 % fucking legal.

[742] If I step over this line, I'm going to jail for the same shit.

[743] Now it's the same way with drugs.

[744] If you've got a bag of weed in California and you've got, you know, the right card from the right doctor, you're straight.

[745] Yeah, but if you go to Texas with that shit.

[746] They will hang you.

[747] They will fuck you up.

[748] Are you in favor of any laws as far as, like, regulation of who gets firearms?

[749] I think we've got plenty, man. We got plenty, yeah.

[750] But you are in favor of, like, background checks and shit like that.

[751] Yeah.

[752] Yeah, I mean, it's, I should say, yeah.

[753] I mean, I don't, I think so.

[754] You're such a gun nut.

[755] No. I should say, yeah.

[756] Most people are right home, like, all the liberal freaks right now.

[757] Well, no. Peace Love 69 on Twitter.

[758] I mean, I can say.

[759] it and I don't I don't disagree with that but here's if I could rule the world I would have no problem with instant background checks it shouldn't cost a dime like now up until in Las Vegas in Nevada if you buy a gun it costs you $25 to pay for a background check right now that background check consists of someone in a government office somewhere typing your name in a computer that's it and if you get a hit they'll deny you and then you have three days to appeal but if you don't they say he's good so you're against the fact that it costs 25 bucks that and the fact i don't have a problem with instant checks i think that's fair i mean i and i i do agree with that um but what i have a problem with is the fact that you love guns no it's not that's not it it's just the fact that if i okay If I charged you, I don't know, if I charged you a fee for every podcast you put up because you're exercising your First Amendment right.

[760] And we have to make sure, Joe, that you're using this right correctly, that you're not inciting any violence or trying to incite any, you know, you could do any damage to the establishment.

[761] I see what you're saying.

[762] And so, but to me, it comes down to, and one thing I have a big problem with, and it's something that if you're not a gun guy, you never even fucking pay attention to, but it's this thing called the NFA National Firearms Act, the registry.

[763] And what that is, there's these arbitrary laws that say, okay, if you want to own a suppressor, a silencer, something like that, or a fully automatic weapon, whatever, you can do that.

[764] If it's legal in your state, you're perfectly fine to be able to do that.

[765] But you have to pay the government $200.

[766] bucks so if you pay the government 200 bucks we'll give you this shit and also you have to give up the right to let anybody from the ATF come into your home anytime they want to check on that so if you do this you can have this you can have fucking damn near anything i mean machine guns 50 caliber machine guns you can have anything i know guys that have got any fucking thing you can dream up as long as you're willing to pay the government Now, to me, that's bullshit.

[767] I see what you're saying.

[768] I see the point, but I also see the point that you have to regulate.

[769] You have to keep aware of who the fucking crazy people are.

[770] Well, that's the problem, though.

[771] I don't have a problem with keeping guns away from nutty people.

[772] Right, but you have to have to have employees that do that.

[773] They have to search that.

[774] That's fine.

[775] It costs money to do that.

[776] So let's do that.

[777] But are we doing that now?

[778] We're not.

[779] No. You know why?

[780] You can't keep guns away from nutty people because medical records are restricted.

[781] Yeah.

[782] Is that what it is?

[783] I think you can keep some guns away.

[784] from some nutty people.

[785] And here's, well, the only way is if they're adjudicated by a judge and there's a public record of it and it goes in a record.

[786] But most cases, like almost all these shootings, like if you look at all of, and this is what fires people up about guns is the mass shootings.

[787] And it's completely understandable.

[788] But for most part, if you look at the guys who are doing these shootings, they're nuts.

[789] They're fucked up.

[790] Yeah.

[791] Now, if you start looking at the number of people who do these shootings that are on some type of drug, huge.

[792] You know, so if we're really trying to stop, you know, are we going after the tool or are we trying to stop the tool or are we trying to stop the act?

[793] Because, you know, which one is it?

[794] No, it's a very good point.

[795] I've said it many times.

[796] And so, I mean, I don't know.

[797] I mean, I'm probably not the right guy to get up here and talk about what should and shouldn't be with guns.

[798] I mean, you know, I'll be the first to admit I'm biased.

[799] But I'm also the same guy that would stand up here and tell you, I think every drug on earth should be legal.

[800] Yeah, but you know what?

[801] I mean, when you say you're not the right guy, this is what I believe.

[802] I believe there is no right guy.

[803] I think that your ideas of what should and should be legal are different than other people's ideas and what you'll tolerate are different than things are different than people who, you know, otherwise would have, you know, agreements with you about everything.

[804] but there might be certain things, certain behaviors that you're used to that they can't handle.

[805] People are fucking different, man. You know, I don't think there's any right or wrong.

[806] But I think the real issue is a guy like you, who's not a bad guy, who is a gun enthusiast, also realizes he's aware that there's a lot of fucking bad things in the world.

[807] And I would rather be protected than not be protected.

[808] Very simply.

[809] Well, my, in therein lies probably my, you know.

[810] That's your number one beef.

[811] My thing is, I do not expect the government to protect me. Yes.

[812] It's not their job.

[813] If you get robbed, raped, beaten, or killed, your family or you cannot sue the police because they didn't protect you.

[814] It's not the police's job.

[815] It's not the state's job to protect you as an individual.

[816] You can't sue the cops if you get beat up, if you get attacked, if you get shot, because they weren't there to protect you.

[817] You cannot do that because that is, that's not their job.

[818] So to me, I'm fine with that.

[819] I got no problem with that.

[820] I don't expect it.

[821] So if that's the case, don't restrict me from my ability to take care of myself and my family.

[822] And, you know, don't restrict me from having the tools to do that and be that, whatever that tool could be.

[823] Right.

[824] The issue is only in people who are psychotic, who are criminals, who are...

[825] That's the only issue.

[826] The issue is not...

[827] And therein, you touch an issue that's a big thing with me is criminals.

[828] Okay.

[829] Perfect example.

[830] Most of these shootings that have taken place have taken place almost all of them, even if the gun was bought legally, you know, the guns were banned in that theater in Colorado.

[831] You know, the military, the shooting that just took place at the Navy Yard, gun -free zone, you know, Newtown, a school.

[832] You know, I mean, in Nevada, if you're a parent driving to pick up your son or daughter, if you just pick them up in the school, as soon as you enter that school yard, even if you're a licensed CCW carrier, you've jumped through every hoop.

[833] The state says you have to jump through.

[834] A background check, a training course, an actual proficiency test.

[835] where you have to shoot your gun for score.

[836] If you do all those actions, but yet you drive on to the school grounds to pick up your child, you never get out of your car.

[837] If you have the gun on you or in your car, you're a criminal.

[838] You cannot bring a gun onto that school's premises.

[839] You can't even have it in your car when you pick up your kid.

[840] So now, to me, if I'm a parent, I'm not a parent.

[841] I don't have kids.

[842] But if I did, I'm going to be a criminal because if some asshole starts to shoot up a school, or somewhere, anything like that, you know, I at least, and I'm not the guy sitting here saying a gun's going to solve everything, because chances are it's probably not.

[843] But it's an option you have.

[844] If you don't have it, you don't have the option.

[845] You know what you are?

[846] You're a sheep just hoping you don't get shot.

[847] You know, if you have an option to fight back.

[848] But if the state says you do not have that option, you must sit there and take it.

[849] You must be a victim.

[850] That's where I I have a problem.

[851] The problem is the reality of the world that we live in.

[852] The problem is not the utopian possibilities of everybody being completely gun -free.

[853] That's the real problem with the idea of gun control, is that, like, who's, you're going to control who, the people that abide by your laws?

[854] Do you really think there's enough people out there to go out there and find the fucking guns that are in people's homes and trucks?

[855] Well, it's number one, it's completely impossible.

[856] If you pass the law tomorrow and said, guns are illegal.

[857] You couldn't build prisons fast enough It just makes criminals out of regular people And it's, you know To me I just, I'm of the opinion that You know You can't stop a guy from being an asshole Well, it's not even just an asshole It's what you were talking about earlier It's like a rabid dog You know, I mean If something This shit is gonna happen man And I think one of two things I think the drugs have a part to do with it bigger than people give credit for i really believe that and the other thing is i think the media feeds it because they give these assholes instant celebrity and you see this and i think the spreech perfect example man chris dorner were you in l .a when this asshole was running around yeah he wrote a goddamn you know i knew that dude freakyest shit ever yeah i mean it was i mean i didn't he went like my buddy for folks who don't know he he he he killed a cop's kid and her boyfriend her boyfriend and killed a bunch of cops like pulled up to them at red lights and he shot up two two different incidents he shot up cops I think he might have killed one cop and he's a former police officer he was fired and decided he was going on a fucking ramp and uh but he was a um a rampage rather but he was a navy guy as well but this dude I had met him actually in a gun store in Vegas.

[858] He used to hang out or not hang I don't know if you'd call it hang out or whatever But he was Where I bought a lot of stuff in Las Vegas He would He bought shit from there as well Actually some of the shit that he used in his little Rampage But When I saw him on the news I was like god damn that dude looks familiar man Because when I saw him in Vegas I always assumed he was military Because they get a lot of military guys in there Because Nellis and some of the other bases that around Vegas, a lot of military guys come in and do shit.

[859] But I was like, man, that guy looks familiar.

[860] And sure enough, my friend who was a manager at that store called me up.

[861] And he was like, dude, that's fucking Chris.

[862] I sold him that shit.

[863] That's great.

[864] But here's the thing.

[865] He went through all the legal requirements.

[866] Yeah.

[867] And not only did he go through the legal requirement of just a background check, he went through the shit.

[868] I told you about you have to pay a $200 tax stamp.

[869] But here's the other trick.

[870] Right now, the backlog, on that is six to nine months long.

[871] So to buy a short -barreled rifle or a suppressor.

[872] So you can go in, you pay for the shit, you pay your $200 to the government, and then you wait six months.

[873] And it takes them that long to do the paperwork.

[874] Wow.

[875] And then they send a stamp back.

[876] It's a tax stamp.

[877] And they send it back, and then you can have whatever the hell it is that you paid for.

[878] But this guy did that.

[879] So he, you can't get, you know, this crazy bastard went through the most strenuous process the federal government comes up with it's the process they have for selling fully automatic weapons he went through that and he passed at all and there's no way there was nothing in this guy's past that that would have thrown up a red flag for anything i mean he had security clearances through the military he was a goddamn LAPD cop but he was fired from the LAPD for excessive violence, right?

[880] No, from what I understand, he was fired because it was if I remember right and I'm sure people, I mean look it up, but he was fired because his training officer basically said he wasn't suitable is what I understood.

[881] Was it he basically no, no, was it false complaint?

[882] That's what it was.

[883] He went to his bosses and said his partner had used unnecessary force for whatever.

[884] Oh, that's right.

[885] That's right.

[886] Used an unnecessary force and then...

[887] He ratted somebody out.

[888] He ratted out and then the department fired him because they said he was lying.

[889] Whoa.

[890] But it turns out evidently he wasn't lying.

[891] Whoa, that's so crazy.

[892] They took a regular like super cop, turned him into a killer with one little case like that.

[893] But that was what was kind of funny was the media was playing this guy up as some kind of super trained, you know, he was John Rambo.

[894] But if you look at the shit he did, and, you know, I'm fortunate through shooting and some other things that I've done to know and have some friends and the community of guys, soft guys and things like that.

[895] Soft guys?

[896] Soft is an acronym for Special Operations Forces.

[897] You use an acronym that 99 .99 % of the people don't know.

[898] Soft is an acronym, stands for Special Operations Forces, and that's kind of an umbrella acronym for, you know, Rangers, Special Forces, Seals, things like that.

[899] And each one of those has their own terms, like SF is special forces.

[900] A lot of times people will come, the media is terrible for this.

[901] They'll say special forces and they mean special operations forces.

[902] like special operations forces can be a seal team special forces is an army specific unit it's actually a branch service but what I was getting back to is I was talking I know I'm fortunate to know some of these guys and they were all kind of laughing that you know if this guy was really trained the LAPD would be fucked because the shit that he did do was bad but the way he got caught the things he was doing is not the shit a train guy does.

[903] I mean, and he could have done a lot more damage to, I mean, look at the D .C. snipers.

[904] Remember that case?

[905] Malvo.

[906] Yeah.

[907] You know, Malvo and that kid.

[908] And, I mean, they shut down D .C. And it was two guys in one rifle.

[909] And, you know, if this guy was literally, you know, if he was the John Rambo, the media was trying to play.

[910] up as we've been a hell a lot higher body count he was just a fucking whack job it was a whack job to decide to go to the mountains yeah well the fuck ever gets out of the mountains whoever goes to the mountains trying to flee from the law that's the worst place you can go you want to go to the valley son you want to go to the place where you can move around you don't want to go to the one place where there's a peak and you can't go any higher you know he got up there and he fucked his truck up yeah and and it's just how did he fuck his truck up you go for broke the axle how did I guess he was trying to get somewhere.

[911] I just read, I didn't go any farther than...

[912] They lit his truck on fire, right?

[913] Yeah, and left his weapons and shit in the truck.

[914] Wow.

[915] And then the crazy part, though, was he hit out in a cabin that was like literally right across the street from the command post.

[916] That's a good move.

[917] Do you remember that?

[918] So they were searching all around him, and he was in the cabin almost right across the street from the command post.

[919] That area is very unusual.

[920] You ever been up to Big Bear?

[921] No. It's very unusual.

[922] A lot of fighters go up there.

[923] They do their training camps.

[924] Yeah, it's really good for your conditioning.

[925] But it's a strange place.

[926] You know, it's nice, nice folks, but it's just weird.

[927] That whole, going back to kind of what I was talking about with my idea of the government not having a responsibility to protect the individual, if you look at the Boston bombing, you know, these two guys with the Boston bombing, they shut down a whole fucking major U .S. city.

[928] I mean, they were canceling, like, major sports games and shit that night.

[929] And to me, instead of having this mentality of everybody go inside, shelter in place, you know, cower, and then we're going to send in the fucking cops and their armored personnel carriers.

[930] And, I mean, it looked like Iraq.

[931] If you look at some of the photos that were taken during that time period, it looks like Iraq.

[932] I mean, these guys are wearing fucking body armor and multi -cam carrying M -4s on the streets of a U .S. city.

[933] And they're looking for two assholes with a fucking pressure cooker bomb.

[934] And they shut down the whole city.

[935] And they're telling people, don't come out of your house.

[936] Be scared.

[937] You know, to me, wouldn't it be better to say, you know what?

[938] If you see this fucking asshole, call us.

[939] Yeah, but call us means shoot him.

[940] Yeah.

[941] And I thought it was him, officer.

[942] Well, but hey.

[943] is something that's going to get said.

[944] Better that than cower.

[945] Ooh, unless it's your kid.

[946] I don't know about better that.

[947] I don't know about better that.

[948] I agree with you to a certain extent.

[949] And I certainly agree with you with your ability to be protected.

[950] You don't think that it can't go the other way?

[951] It certainly can.

[952] What if your kid happens to be brown and look like that dude in the hoodie?

[953] And he's out walking when they told everybody to be inside and be scared.

[954] Well, as if everything that we've said from the beginning to the end, there's no, there's a gray area.

[955] There's no black and white in any of these things.

[956] The real problem is human behavior.

[957] What it boils down to is not weapons and tools and equipment.

[958] It's human behavior.

[959] Because every fucking hardware store has an axe.

[960] How many axe murders you hear about every year?

[961] Anybody could fuck you up with an axe.

[962] A guy could walk into a grocery store, and how many people could he kill with the axe before you stop them?

[963] Probably quite a few.

[964] It's not a wet.

[965] And I wrote this on Twitter, and I'll say it again.

[966] Your quote was perfect.

[967] We have a mental health problem.

[968] disguises a gun problem and a security problem disguises a tyranny problem or a tyranny problem disguises a security problem I fucked up my own quote That was a great quote I remember when you wrote that Well it's true it's a mental health problem There's no doubt about it because I have guns almost all of my friends have guns I don't understand the idea That it's a gun issue It's not a gun issue Guns are tools It's the issue of implementing those tools in a horrible horrific way The same thing you can do with your car if you were so inclined anybody can do there was an old man that uh you just you know freaked out or whatever and just ran over a bunch of people in santa monica a couple years ago it was horrific horrific story but any crazy person could do that too you know just like they could shoot you they could kill just as many people with a car much quicker but just plowing into a crowd it's so easy to do they could possibly how much damage could you do with a two -liter bottle of gasoline in a movie theater oh jesus yeah i mean you know if you're intent is to do harm is a lot of weapons and hurt people then that's it but my whole thing goes back to the mindset that you know if somebody doesn't want to take on their responsibility or and it's got nothing to do with guns it's a mindset of being able to take responsibility for your own safety yeah you know and if somebody doesn't want to do that they want to delegate that to the state that's fine.

[969] I don't have a problem with that.

[970] But telling me that I have to do that is where I have a big giant problem.

[971] I totally understand what you're saying, but I think there's the reality of human beings that requires a certain amount of filtering to make sure that shitheads it's less frequent.

[972] You're going to get a few that get through no matter what you do.

[973] But I think that it's not a bad thing to just be just a little bit diligent about who you fucking allow to have guns.

[974] And that's fine because, I mean, if it's stopped right now, today.

[975] If you looked at the gun laws on the books, and that's the other thing.

[976] You mean if it didn't get any more restrictive?

[977] If it stopped.

[978] All you gun guys are all like, suppression, if it stopped today.

[979] It's fucking crazy.

[980] Well, here's why.

[981] It's because the anti -gunners, whatever you want to call them, they always talk about, we need to compromise.

[982] We should come to a compromise.

[983] But here's the compromise.

[984] They never give anything up.

[985] I mean, it's always one more thing they're taken away.

[986] And this has been going on.

[987] since the 30s and depending on I'm not a guy I mean on principle in theory I'm kind of I am call libertarian whatever the hell you want to call it but I am of the mind that pretty much anything goes I mean it should go and if you fuck up you deserve to get hammered whether that's drugs guns whatever prostitution anything exactly exactly fucking say it who's to say a woman Can't sell her ass if she wants to Yeah I mean it's her body Especially if she can actually get money for it Exactly And so Why can't you give massages Why isn't that illegal Well in Vegas is just as pleasurable But I mean a massage Yeah massage is uh you know Just as intimate Oftentimes it's suck at your dick Or a humming blow job through the pants Hum Hum Hum Yeah I'm a look You and I are on the same page With almost everything You're a little more gunnuddy than me, but that's all right.

[988] I'm pretty gunnoughty.

[989] I understand it.

[990] I see where you're coming from.

[991] You know, you're coming from the fact that they work for you and you don't want anybody fucking with your life.

[992] And that's a rational, almost an American value.

[993] The idea, leave me the fuck alone.

[994] Right.

[995] And that's sort of slipping away.

[996] And I will stand up and, you know, I will, I would be more than happy to defend the guys.

[997] I'll stand up and say, you know what, I respect and defend the right for someone to say, I don't agree.

[998] you with what I'm saying or that I'm an asshole no problem okay you have the right to say that but where it's to me that it stops is that when people force me to delegate my ability to protect myself and the state will not take up that slack they can't not only they can't and they won't and they shouldn't but people saying to me you know you don't have we are going to take away your ability to protect yourself in the in in the name of the off chance that you know this may prevent something and everyone knows that it won't because you know why criminals don't follow the fucking law dirty crazy right well laws in themselves in and of themselves are very strange in that is that a helicopter just in their address we've been talking too much real shit told you bro the man done got scared you didn't turn off your NS8 black helicopters if Alex Jones in here right now he'd rattle off some statistics you'd be amazed you'd be amazed how many people being watched by black helicopters have no idea dude that shit when the Dornner thing was going on yeah I don't follow Alex Jones at all but you follow them Somehow through there, and the way I started following him, kind of paying the attention, was because of that fucking correspondent he had at the press conferences that the cops were doing.

[999] Did you see that?

[1000] No. I was fucking hilarious.

[1001] These cops are standing up.

[1002] And, you know, you could tell the whole fucking city of L .A. was scared to death.

[1003] And not only that, but the cops are lighten up Mexican women in a white truck for no fucking, because it might look like what he was driving.

[1004] That's funny.

[1005] So, I mean, the whole fucking city is flipping out, going, you know, trigger -happy with the cops.

[1006] But this cop's given a fucking rundown of, you know, trying to be very precise and all this shit.

[1007] And some correspondent, he's like from Info Wars or whatever, stands up and ask the most assinine.

[1008] I can't even remember.

[1009] It was so stupid.

[1010] It was like, you know, how do you say that Chris Dorner was a plant and all this other bullshit?

[1011] Or was it the Boston bombings?

[1012] It was Boston bombings.

[1013] It was Boston bombings.

[1014] It was Boston bombings.

[1015] I'm sorry.

[1016] I got them confused.

[1017] You confused the fuck out of me. It was a Boston bombings.

[1018] It was a Boston.

[1019] But you remember what I'm talking about with the press conference?

[1020] Yeah.

[1021] That guy standing up saying that they were, that's what it was, saying they were plants, saying that it was the guys in the windbreakers or whatever.

[1022] Yeah, there was a lot of weirdness when it came to those Boston bombings.

[1023] That was very weird.

[1024] There were so many people that were crying out that it was a false flag, and there was so much disinformation, misinformation.

[1025] To what end?

[1026] See, I'm not a conspiracy guy.

[1027] To what end, though.

[1028] I'm not either, but I was just aware of how much a false.

[1029] of it was being perpetrated online and how many people were getting the timeline wrong.

[1030] So they're showing these guys who were responding and saying that these guys were waiting before it ever happened, like that they already knew about it.

[1031] Like there's so much incorrect information.

[1032] Right.

[1033] It's weird when that kind of shit happens.

[1034] And, you know, that's something that I really learned a lot about when I did this sci -fi show, the Joe Rogan Questions Everything Show.

[1035] Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1036] I learned a lot about the mind of people who just automatically think that things are not on the up -and -up.

[1037] and the real issue is that sometimes things aren't on the up and up that's a fact it's a fact but I think more often than not people look for it it's not so much it's on the up and up because there's a conspiracy it's on the up and up because people don't know what the fuck's going on and they make shit up to fill the space there's definitely that there's definitely some of that but then there's also real instances throughout history where false flags have been perpetrated and it becomes a real problem because you try to figure out what's what yeah and there's a lot of of people that get involved in these sort of endeavors trying to figure out what's real and what's not that will have what i call a soft intellect you know the ability but by soft i don't mean they're stupid but i mean that someone can like fairly easily shove a new idea in them and guard them they want them to go shove a hand up their ass and have you know confuse them to the point where they believe it some people they have a need in them to believe in them to believe fantastical shit that no one else has discovered.

[1038] There's a weird almost like a desire.

[1039] It's almost like the same thing that it's almost like a bygone thing that's like left in our DNA from when we had to discover a new place that had like better food.

[1040] We found a new hunting trail.

[1041] To find these new uncovered things is almost like an imperative in the human psyche.

[1042] So people look for fucking stupid shit.

[1043] They look for to be the one guy, the trail blazer that break.

[1044] And it doesn't mean that people don't conspire, but it also means they're that too.

[1045] There's that too.

[1046] We've got to be aware of that too, because if you're not aware of that too, if you deny that two, you really do a huge disservice to the actual information that you're capable of pulling out when you look at things objectively.

[1047] But there's a lot of people that can't do that.

[1048] They get involved in this 10, 11, 1 ,000 step game.

[1049] They want to go three or four steps in and be rigid with their information.

[1050] They want to stop right here.

[1051] This is clearly a conspiracy.

[1052] That guy's ran the wrong backpack.

[1053] It's towards his left.

[1054] This photo shows the towards his right.

[1055] And it's doing the show.

[1056] I've realized that that's an actual...

[1057] It's like a psychological groove.

[1058] It's like these people establish it in their minds that everything is a conspiracy.

[1059] And it's not to say that some things aren't.

[1060] Many things are.

[1061] So they have some confirmation.

[1062] They get some confirmation out of history, Gulf of Tonkin, all these different instances, the Bush -Cheney idea of before they left office, A false flag about Iran was being bandied about.

[1063] There was the Northwoods document, you know, where they wanted to blow up a fucking drone airliner and blame it on Cuba and start war with Cuba.

[1064] All that shit's real.

[1065] So the problem is it gets real cloudy out there if you're not thinking good.

[1066] And so if you got any sort of an instance that happens in the news, whether it's that bombing or this bombing or this attack or that attack or this, there's always going to be a lot of horseshit flying around.

[1067] because anyone can contribute to the soup of ideas.

[1068] Sure.

[1069] Anybody can throw up.

[1070] So some dickhead comes along and goes, more onions and fucking pours a giant bucket of onions in your soup.

[1071] And you're like, Dickhead, there was plenty of onions.

[1072] Now it's fucking onion soup with a little bit of chicken.

[1073] That's the real issue with the information that we received today is that there's a gigantic soup of people and the amount of actual real journalists.

[1074] the original real journalists have been replaced by these corporate puppets and then there's real quote -unquote print journalists who are terrified of the new media and they'll diffuse vice .com or they'll try to take down all the new media and you know and make it seem as if these people are Cretans and these people don't deserve to be representative of the news and the old gray lady is the way to go the New York Times is the gold standard But it's not the gold standard The reality is...

[1075] They've been proven to post false shit They get caught all the time And by the way, you're just human Okay, there is no New York Times anymore How about this?

[1076] How about you're not important?

[1077] How about the fucking information is important?

[1078] And the vehicle for distributing the information That wants so many accolades is a cunt Any vehicle that wants so much It's so much love, so much money Giant corporation backed up behind Delivering information That's it that's nonsense for you to have an ego about past deliverings of information things that you should have done because that's your fucking job your job is to deliver information you're a goddamn newspaper so if you get all uppity and uptight and be afraid of the internet when your whole fucking thing has been based on reporting shit that actually happens that's it what's also about goes back to the same thing control yeah because if some asshole on the internet can get on and build a following and and and gain confidence you know what there's no fucking editor sitting over him saying you know what you might not want to say that because this might piss off my buddy who owns this company yeah and that's not to slight the new york times or the wall street journal the boston globe or any of the old newspapers in any way and not to diminish their accomplishments and to and to diminish the the importance of them i at least i've read the boston globe every fucking day when i was a kid because I delivered it.

[1079] I delivered it from age...

[1080] shit, I started like age 17 until I was 22.

[1081] I delivered the Boston Globe and occasionally the herald.

[1082] I read a newspaper every day.

[1083] Newspapers are fucking huge.

[1084] They were really, really important.

[1085] But you did a job.

[1086] Just like feeding people was really fucking important back then, too.

[1087] Everybody who fed people, those people all deserve medals as well.

[1088] Feeding people and providing information are actually equally important.

[1089] But the people who fed people didn't get treated like kings and queens and didn't get to fucking throw their arms in the air and rant and rave when a new method of distributing nutrition was introduced.

[1090] But it goes back too to, you know, the people who did distribute that information were courted by those in power.

[1091] Yeah.

[1092] It goes back all the way.

[1093] It always has.

[1094] I mean, as long as there's been a written word.

[1095] Yeah.

[1096] But, and that's one thing that I think now it's still fucked up with the new media.

[1097] is because how do you control everything?

[1098] If you can't control it, you can't control it, but what you can do is marginalize it.

[1099] You shouldn't be able to control everything.

[1100] People have to realize that enough is enough.

[1101] And if you need more money than what you're making, most likely you don't deserve it.

[1102] That's a good point.

[1103] That's the reality of the situation.

[1104] If you need more money than you are currently making, most likely you don't deserve it.

[1105] It's possible that you do, and don't get me wrong.

[1106] What I mean by that is that there's a lot of people out there that want they want to figure out how to profit more they want to figure how to make more they want to figure out how to but if you're really doing what you're supposed to do I firmly believe that there's there's rivers you're going to have to cross there's mountains you're going to have to climb you're going to have to figure out a way around it and you might not be in a good place right now but if you're a person and you're smart there's ways to navigate yourself around almost every situation, as long as you're getting nutrition and you're alive.

[1107] Okay, if you're getting a nutrition, you're alive and you've got an ability to think for yourself, you might be in a terrible situation.

[1108] I understand that.

[1109] But there may very well be a way out of that situation.

[1110] And if I took 10 guys, maybe only four would be able to figure the way out of that situation.

[1111] It doesn't mean that situation is unresolvable.

[1112] It means that you've got to fucking figure it out, bitch.

[1113] You got Delta really shit hand of cards.

[1114] And that happens to people all the time.

[1115] But there's this is gross tendency for people to just go, I got handed a shit, hand of cards, and you didn't, so you don't understand where I come from, and you have male privilege.

[1116] I think that's what you just said.

[1117] I think that is 100 % the case in the United States at this point in time.

[1118] If you look at people that come here, and I was thinking about coming on this podcast, and I was thinking about this the other day, and, you know, I drive, that's one thing about, I live in Vegas in the day, dichotomy of Vegas has always really struck me as something that's kind of fucked up and that you can go from the cosmopolitan hotel with people rolling up in $150 ,000 cars and the most beautiful women in the world with millions of dollars that they can spend.

[1119] You drive 10 minutes and there's a Home Depot with a Mexican standing outside of it that is willing to work at whatever job you want to give him for $10 a day and bust his ass or Guatemalan or I don't know if that's a proper term but you know and then a guy who's come here and willing to do nothing and then you've got people that are perfectly able to work but they've been told and it's not even a lot of people's fault because from the time they were raised up it's not your fault that you don't have anything it's you've been fucked over you know it's you know society has kept you down they've kept you uneducated it's not your fault you don't have anything but yet you get people and And that's one of the beauties to me, and it's cliche.

[1120] It really is.

[1121] But to me, that's one of the beauties of this country.

[1122] And that's the thing this country, to me, is built on.

[1123] And if you ask almost anyone that has come here from somewhere else, they will tell you that that's why they came here is because this is one of the few places in the world where you can take yourself from nothing to something.

[1124] You know, if you're willing to work and you want to bust your ass and understand, and adapt to the circumstances you're in, there really is opportunity here.

[1125] And so when I hear people talk about what you're saying, you know, that, oh, I got fucked over, I got no, you know, I mean, I think both of us, I'm willing to say, I mean, I'm not, nobody would consider me successful.

[1126] I'm successful in the fact that I get to do what I like to do, and I really enjoy that.

[1127] I mean, to me, I make less money now than I did when I work for Ford.

[1128] but you know what I get up and I get to do whatever the fuck I want to do today for the most part for folks who don't even know we didn't even really introduce Justin Justin runs the action report .com is one of my favorite websites and they put on these big -time high -level pool matches where it used to be guys would come with big backers and now because the success of it and the fact it's been around for a long time now they can actually have like a prize fund and you know get sponsors and all sorts of other things And it's all online, like the very best players in the world, duke it out back and forth.

[1129] And, yeah, you can do now because of this, you know, because this is really a very popular thing in the world of pool.

[1130] It's like the most important thing in the world of pool right now, in my opinion.

[1131] There's no pool on TV these days.

[1132] And if it wasn't for the strong presence of the internet, whether it's AZVillage .com or whether it's your website, there's not much keeping, like, the community of pool players together.

[1133] Pool's a weird thing, man. People don't understand how fun it is.

[1134] is for the people who play it you know for a guy like you or i pool is one of those things uh to me if you're not a pool guy like the stuff we do um probably wouldn't interest you because our shit is designed for the fan the guy who understands the game and stuff but at the same time to me pool is the world of pool i mean it goes back to the movie the hustler you know and then you got the color of money but it's a subculture that is almost uniquely american it really is and it's been transplanted to other countries but the American and my website's name is the action report and it started out as an idea to show the gambling side of the game because our idea was I've been around pool my whole life and I've always loved the gambling side of it and you know pool for the most part on ESPN they dress the guys up like golfers and they send them out there and one guy breaks and runs and the other guy breaks and runs and they all look the same and nobody and it just didn't know nowhere yeah none but you know to me i enjoyed the action side of the game and that was and and and it wasn't because so much of the betting or uh the guys you know talking up a game but because to me it comes back to a quintessential american fucking idea of two guys coming in putting their money up and the way you keep track is by who gets more money at the end.

[1135] I mean, that's, you know, yardage doesn't count.

[1136] Yeah, it's all just, and the beautiful thing about pool is that that's actually the reason why it's called pool in the first place.

[1137] Like, folks don't realize it was called pocket billiards.

[1138] Pooling their money together, the bet on a game was the whole reason why it was like the chosen sport of the forbidden youth.

[1139] You know, the glorious results of a misspent youth is all about how good you are, are playing pool.

[1140] Those areas during the, you know, Max Eberley is kind of an expert on the Bachelor Lifestyle.

[1141] And Max Eberley talks with like great fondness of the Bachelor lifestyle of the early 1900s in like New York City and all across the country really where men who are bachelors would go to pool halls.

[1142] And that's where they would live and hang out.

[1143] Those are the guys that did want to settle down and have families and just join the American grind.

[1144] Right.

[1145] And that to me, pool has always been, it's dying.

[1146] now it's dead pretty much but for a lot of years even through the war the 30s 20s 30s after world war one even up and through the great depression but there was that they called in pool it's called a road player or a roadman and that is a guy who goes from town to town playing depending on personally i hate the term pool hustler i fucking despise it because to me a pool hustler is a thief is a con man he's a guy that goes in and you know tries to you know he lays down and he tries to get some sucker you know the game that's always an interesting story you know the movie the hustler was pretty much based on that uh and pool they call it playing on the lemon but to me what i like and the way most a lot of successful road guys i knew they didn't go in and try to play and say they play bad they would go in and say i'll beat any asshole you got in here for whatever you want That's the truly American idea of it.

[1147] And it goes back to the gunfighter thing.

[1148] Yeah.

[1149] Or, oh, God, what's the Japanese swordman?

[1150] Sourgeman?

[1151] Samurai?

[1152] Yes, no, the guy you got tattooed on your arm.

[1153] Nehomoto.

[1154] Yeah, Masashi.

[1155] You know, the thing that people come at him and test him.

[1156] Yeah.

[1157] And to me, that idea, and that's kind of what our site and our events and what we do is kind of based on.

[1158] It was like, who is the best?

[1159] How do you find out who the best is?

[1160] Well, we didn't really even know until your sight came around because these races to 100 were so incredibly rare.

[1161] Yeah.

[1162] We were talking earlier before the show about the color of money match between Efrin Reyes and Earl Strickland, who were like the best American player and the best Filipino player.

[1163] And for a lot of folks who don't know anything about pool, the Filipinos in the 1950s, I guess, when the United States GIs went to the Navy.

[1164] The Navy?

[1165] The Navy.

[1166] The Navy?

[1167] They introduced Poole to the Filipinos, and they just fucking ran with that shit.

[1168] And now they produced some of the very best players in the world.

[1169] It's kind of interesting.

[1170] Pool in the Philippines is, I mean, it's as big a deal as any major sport in the United States.

[1171] Shane, there's a kid named Shane Van Boning, who's, in my opinion, the best American player at this time.

[1172] He's a friend of mine.

[1173] He plays in a lot of our matches.

[1174] but he was joking that the only place on earth he can get in a cab and have the cab driver know who he is is in the Philippines That's incredible, that's funny I've talked about him on the podcast several times Folks who haven't heard about it, he's deaf And when he plays pool, he shuts his hearing aid off And he just goes into the zone And he also plays Stone killer too Yeah, he plays about as good as anybody who's ever played.

[1175] He has his moments where it's just stunning shit.

[1176] And he had those moments gambling for big money on your podcast, or your broadcast, rather, when these race to hundreds, when you see him, like, get loose and just fire on dudes and hit him with...

[1177] You had a really tight table.

[1178] Folks who don't know, a standard table is five inches.

[1179] Like if you buy one right from the store, a lot of times are about five inches.

[1180] A pro -cut table is about four inches.

[1181] And you got...

[1182] Four and a half.

[1183] Four and a half.

[1184] But you guys were four.

[1185] Yeah, four.

[1186] You guys were four.

[1187] And it was brutality.

[1188] And guys would panic.

[1189] Every time, I mean, because you're playing for a lot of money and there's not a lot of margin of error.

[1190] And you'd go to shoot into that four -inch fucking hole on a diamond table, which is really difficult because it has an extra wide or extra deep shelf.

[1191] So a lot of balls that would fall on a Brunswick, don't fall on a diamond.

[1192] This motherfucker, he's playing like they're swimming pools.

[1193] He's just slamming balls.

[1194] into the back of the pocket and it's shocking he just gets in that that assassin groove where he can't miss and he's running six and sevens on a four what what I mean by six and sevens is six and seven racks in a row of ten ball without missing breaking and running a rack of ten ball it's like nine ball you run the balls in order but there's ten and it's super fucking hard to do and this dude is like click off with the sound whee just not missing every ball is so precise he gets to the point where he's got that cue ball on a string and it's like he's like rolling the ball.

[1195] You've described it.

[1196] It's like every ball goes through the ball.

[1197] Rolls through.

[1198] It's a perfect delivery.

[1199] And one of my favorite things about Shane is a player.

[1200] And like I said, he's a friend of mine.

[1201] I've known him.

[1202] I met him in 2006, December 2006, long before I ever did this stuff.

[1203] The actual import, TAR is what it's called TAR, was started in July of 2007.

[1204] So I've known Shane, and right now the kid we're talking about is, like I said, in my opinion, and a lot of other people's opinion, the best American player.

[1205] He's one of the best in the world by anybody's measure.

[1206] But he's still young, but he is a guy that he goes 100 % every person.

[1207] every time he plays.

[1208] But even if he loses, he's able to take that.

[1209] It doesn't fuck him up to the point where, and pool such a mental game, sometimes, I mean, it's, it's so crazy how mental of a game it is.

[1210] But he could take his losses and wins.

[1211] He can take it and come back.

[1212] His character.

[1213] But in a tournament, he can take it and come back and win.

[1214] But, yeah, it's a subculture that, to me, There's a great quote in the movie, The Color of Money, and Paul Newman, if no, and I'm, chances are maybe a lot of your viewers or listeners haven't seen that movie.

[1215] But the color of money, if you haven't seen it, check it out.

[1216] It's Paul Newman, a young Tom Cruise.

[1217] But in that, Paul, there's a scene where Paul Newman has a quote, and he's talking to Tom Cruise's girlfriend, trying to get her to convince Cruz to go out on the story.

[1218] the road.

[1219] And he says, basically, you know, if you're the best in the world at something, no matter what it is, anything, then rich can be arranged.

[1220] Rich comes pretty easy.

[1221] And, you know, he said, and before that he mentioned, I invest in excellence.

[1222] And to me, that's what turns me on about anything, be it what I do with pool or any, you know, cues, pool cues.

[1223] I mean, you're a Q guy, too, but you know or anything whatever the hell it is i'm interested in the people who do it the best yeah because to me that excellence you know that's where the genius lies you know because anybody can do anything but to me it's it's that ability whatever it is that human nature that talent that drive to be excellent at something it's uh to me that fascinates me and it's different for different people we were talking about like with pool it's such a mental game i joke a lot and it's only only kind of half joke in that to be really good at pool you got to be about half nuts that's barely a half joke yeah i mean it's just you you you really because you have to give up so much of everything else people will never understand that that don't play when i was a kid when i lived in new york i played easily eight hours a day almost every day.

[1224] I constantly played pool.

[1225] And I wasn't very good, but I was obsessed with it.

[1226] And when you get to a point where you're at the level, the high level professional, whether it's Shane or Ephron or, you know, any of these top, top name pros, Earl Strickland, you have to play all day every day.

[1227] You have to be in the pool.

[1228] If you're out of the pool hall for a day, you feel out of stroke.

[1229] If you take a day off, you're like, holy shit, I'm out of stroke.

[1230] Like, guys have said that.

[1231] Like, they took a day off and they came back in, they're out of stroke.

[1232] Even they were playing eight, ten hours a day.

[1233] different about the elite, the guys at Shane's level, is a lot of those guys don't play that much.

[1234] They don't do that.

[1235] They'll, you know, they really don't play every day putting in eight, ten hours a day like people would think they would.

[1236] Yeah, I mean, they get to a certain level, they understand it, and then, you know, a lot of this is because maybe they don't have to, but that's the difference with a guy like Shane is he does.

[1237] He's, and the other, the flip side of this, too, though, is, and I've had a couple of players, we've talked about it, and that is the fact that Shane is a guy that he's on the rise.

[1238] This is his ascendancy.

[1239] He's 28 years old, you know, 29, something like that.

[1240] It's not married, doesn't have any kids.

[1241] So, you know, this is that, this is, this is his, you know, he's, he's stars on the rise.

[1242] So right now, this is his life, man. You know, this is what he does.

[1243] 100 % focused.

[1244] He doesn't worry about making his mortgage payment.

[1245] He doesn't worry about, you know, there's this old lady mad at him because he decided to go do this or do that.

[1246] You know, he just, that's what he's doing.

[1247] And that's what it takes to be really excellent at something.

[1248] I think so.

[1249] And every time, in Shane's case, when he's had some ups and downs, the downs all were related to the honey hole, son, all related to that glorious thing that we're all searching for.

[1250] Yeah, It's an interesting thing, you know, the idea of excellence.

[1251] You and I agree on that.

[1252] You know, we're both fascinated by that, especially we share the interest in cue.

[1253] People don't even know, like, there's a whole beautiful art to making pool cues.

[1254] There's some, it's a functional art form that's very, very rare because it's got to have both.

[1255] A cue in order to be really revered has to have playability and it has to have design.

[1256] If a cue just has design, people don't get it.

[1257] give a fuck about it.

[1258] Like, if you get a cue from like Southwest or John Shoman, you get a cue, John Shulman's a perfect example.

[1259] It doesn't make that many.

[1260] And the thing about the cues are that they play good.

[1261] They have a balance.

[1262] I have a showman and it's like, it's different than any other steel jointed cue I've ever played with.

[1263] And it's because this dude just has a way of making shit.

[1264] He knows what he's doing.

[1265] He figured it out.

[1266] He knows how to splice things together and sand them correctly and cure the wood and I mean, it's a really beautiful, functional art form that's slowly being lost.

[1267] Right.

[1268] And, you know, you bring up John, and he's an example of one of the things, you know, excellence, like I was talking about, is something that really, you know, excites me and it that interests me. And the other thing is craftsmanship, people that make things, whether that's knives, guns, pool cues, people.

[1269] People, guys, yeah, anything.

[1270] Guys, you know, and mostly for the most part, people that do it one -man shops or one or two -man shops.

[1271] You know, a guy gets, because I have a background, like I said, a machining background and things like that.

[1272] So I have a basic understanding of what it takes to make something.

[1273] To take it from a drawing on a piece of paper to a block of metal or whatever or a bunch of a bin full of parts and turn it into something.

[1274] and I know how goddamn difficult that is.

[1275] And then to be able to do that at a very high level to where you have people wanting to pay thousands and thousands of dollars for what you do, that to me is one of the coolest things in the world.

[1276] And John's a friend of mine, and I've been to a shop.

[1277] And he's for people, and I realize we're talking about something people don't know about understand, but he makes these cues and a high -end pool queue starts about $2 ,500 to $3 ,000 and can go up to $10 ,000.

[1278] And a lot of these cues, like many things with high demand, if you can buy it directly from the source, you actually get it for cheaper than what the secondary market is.

[1279] So you can actually flip it.

[1280] And it's the same way with knives.

[1281] That's my new freak thing.

[1282] his custom folding knives.

[1283] So anyway, John makes these cues out of a one -car garage.

[1284] I went and shot a...

[1285] Did you ever see the documentary I did?

[1286] Yes.

[1287] Yeah, really interesting stuff.

[1288] He makes these cues in a one -car garage.

[1289] And if I showed it to you, like at a custom cue show that they have, that they do have them, things like that, or some just well -done photographs, it looks like a work of art. I mean, his stuff is just so well -exam.

[1290] executed and you kind of have to have some knowledge to know what you're looking at because things are even you know uh things like that but it's it's an interesting thing it's hard to describe to people who don't don't have anything to do then when you see where it's made i mean if you just look at this item you go okay shit that's pretty okay and then you and then you kind of have to explain to people that it's wood you know it's this is a round piece of wood that's tapered that's got big -ass cuts in it with parts of it pulled out and then other parts of it glued back in where you took that shit out of and then perfectly yeah and then little pieces of wood cut out a lot of people don't even know what an inlay is or understand it for any an inlay in anything whether it's a pool queue or you see a lot of it in jewelry boxes um some some furniture has a lot of inlay what they'll do say you've got a circle you and you've got it made out of ivory, let's say, and you've got a nice wooden table, and you want to put this circle of ivory in it.

[1291] What you do is you go in and you mill out a circle, so you cut out the wood and leave a hole there.

[1292] Then you take your piece of ivory, you glue it in, and then you sand it or mill it flat.

[1293] And then so now it looks like you've got a nice piece of wood with a piece of ivory there.

[1294] Now if you take that and you multiply it, I think the cue you've got of Johns, I saw it when he delivered it initially at Super Billiards Expo.

[1295] I want to say it's like a hundred and some inlays.

[1296] So imagine doing that a hundred times.

[1297] And now here's the trick.

[1298] If you fuck up on the 99th time, you got to start over.

[1299] And they do all the time.

[1300] They'll be working on high -end cues and they'll get like three quarters of the way done.

[1301] They have to scrap it.

[1302] Ernie Guterres, Gina Q. I did a film with him that's on our YouTube channel.

[1303] um he's had this all cues in half ivory handle cues oh yeah he's i mean it's because it goes back to the craftsmanship aspect of no matter what it is you make you talk about cars i know you love cars and you're a car guy you know you get these custom tuners or custom builders you know if they have a dog they can't afford that to be out there they can't let that they can't let that car on the road right because you know one dog will fuck up a hundred you know you know it's the old saying you know one oh shit overrules a hundred out of boys yeah it's true so you know it's i don't know to me that's the whole thing and the other thing about cue makers that world it's really fascinating is uh those dudes are the coolest motherfuckers across the board in the entire pool world those guys perfect example For example, a guy we both know, Eric Crisp, a guy who makes a very, very in -demand cue.

[1304] These cues are called Sugar Tree Cues.

[1305] When we first started our business, our company, it was complete shoestring.

[1306] It was me and my partner, Chad, Pullman.

[1307] We had started up, and just we had two initial partners that came in, Chuck and Jason.

[1308] I just want to mention their names because they were important in what we did.

[1309] but it was a shoestring deal and anyway this Eric who's become a good friend of Joe and mine both out of nowhere this guy he's a very very in demand cue maker at the time got a got a backlog of years and years but that means if you wanted to buy a cue from him you gotta wait years before you can even build it and Eric in particular doesn't even take orders anymore so I mean you just if you want one of his cues you have to either know him or get it on the secondary market.

[1310] But I was at an event.

[1311] It was 2008, and I was a photographer, and when I started my company, I had to sell one of my camera lenses to pay for a trip.

[1312] And for any photographers out there, it was a Nikon 70 to 200, 28, about a $1 ,500 lens.

[1313] But we were going on this trip, and I didn't have any money, so I had to sell this lens.

[1314] And didn't really tell any money about it.

[1315] but it was a to me it was a one of those things where it's like fuck man i don't want to do it's like you don't want to sell your tools you know what i mean yeah but uh we had made a commitment to be there and so i did what i had to do so anyway we're at we're in an event maybe six seven months later and eric walks up and uh out of nowhere hands me a cue he goes here take this and uh use it to help you guys get down the road and i was i was stunned i'd never met him before and you know we started talking but and that sounds that doesn't sound like much uh you know somebody walking out and handing you a piece of wood a piece of pool queue but the thing is he walked up and handing me two grand yeah he's one of the nice guys i've ever met and you know and and what i did was i've taken a lot of photos and i'm i've got some photos some unique photos because i've been in places you know the old saying about being good of photography is f8 and be there.

[1316] You know, I've been lucky to be there for certain things.

[1317] And a lot of my photos that have been taken...

[1318] F8?

[1319] Yeah, F8 is an F -stop.

[1320] What was that mean?

[1321] It's a lens adjustment.

[1322] It's basically F -8 is in the middle of the focal range.

[1323] So it allows you a depth of field to where you can see...

[1324] If you're going to take a general photograph, F -8's a good spot to be there.

[1325] Okay, so F -8 and just be there, and you got a good picture.

[1326] Yeah, F -8 and B -there is kind of the joke about you don't have to do any fancy trickery or anything like that, the big thing is have a basic setup, but be there when the shot is there.

[1327] Right.

[1328] Okay, cool.

[1329] And, uh, but I use that cue to purchase that lens that I had sold before.

[1330] And since then, a lot of almost everything you see, any, any one of the flyers, any type of, like, promotional shit that we do, that photo was taken with the lens that I was able to buy because Eric gave me that cue.

[1331] Yeah.

[1332] Yeah, it's an interesting thing, that world of craftsmanship, of creating this really unique tool that it's very revered within the community.

[1333] But the community is like, it's a weird kind of a sketchy falling apart community.

[1334] The custom, there's a cue collecting community.

[1335] And that's pool so spread out, man. And now it's even more fucked up.

[1336] But pull needs a show.

[1337] The high -end pool cue collector guys are rich.

[1338] You can't play in that You can't play in that end of the pool And not be wealthy You know When an average queue Costing 4 to 5 ,000 High end cues like old cues Like there's Certain cue makers like Balabushka A lot of people have heard of If you've ever seen the color of money The name Balabushka is brought up Those cues now 8 to 25 ,000 Anywhere depending on how fancy Because of that movie Yes Well no because Because he's dead.

[1339] There is no more.

[1340] But he's really extreme on the end of the collectors.

[1341] Yeah, high end.

[1342] Barry Zambodi, who is equal level, his dad, Gus Zambodi, those cues, those are also like...

[1343] Same level.

[1344] Same level.

[1345] Bavushka level.

[1346] Actually, I think Gus cues, certain Gus cues, go carry a higher level of price than Zambodi.

[1347] Because Gus Zambodi cues were better made.

[1348] The playability is legendary, and a lot of great players played with Zambodi.

[1349] Zambodi is just one of those names.

[1350] Like, you hear the name Zambodi.

[1351] That's like the real, like in this day and age, like you hear Balabushka.

[1352] Balabusha is always impressive, but Zambodry's like, oh, he's going to Zambodi.

[1353] Like, oh, shit.

[1354] That's high -level shit.

[1355] And that's one thing.

[1356] And Shulman, too, like, but more obscure.

[1357] Well, showman's so much because, you know, I think John, among the cognizanty, the people who know.

[1358] And that's one of the cool things is John and Barry Zambodi are friends.

[1359] And they have a lot in common with some of their, you know, they like the traditional style design work and things like that.

[1360] And so that, it's a small, small world, but it's really fascinating.

[1361] And the other thing that's interesting is, you know, if somebody out there today said, okay, cool, I want to learn more about these cues and they find out, you know, and you want to go get one, you can't buy one.

[1362] Yeah, good luck.

[1363] I mean, you can buy one on the secondary market.

[1364] But it would be ridiculously overpriced.

[1365] Really super expensive.

[1366] But if you call Barry, he might take your call on and he'll be gracious to you.

[1367] But Barry's never going to fill his order book.

[1368] You know, I mean, I love the guy to death.

[1369] God bless him.

[1370] I hope he lives to be 100 years old.

[1371] But chances are he's never going to fill his order book.

[1372] Because so many people want to choose.

[1373] It's just the matter of demand that he has.

[1374] Right.

[1375] And you said cognizanty.

[1376] one of my best cues is Joe Gold.

[1377] Joe Gold, yeah.

[1378] Cognosendi cues.

[1379] These, this small group of people that make these high -end instruments for this obscure dying game.

[1380] Right.

[1381] And it is dying.

[1382] But to a guy like you or I, they're extremely valuable.

[1383] Yeah.

[1384] Because we recognize.

[1385] Like, if you can get a hold of an Ebony on Ebony Southwest, you're like, holy shit.

[1386] It's almost like you're, you know, you're obligated to buy it because you realize, like, they're not making that many of these.

[1387] There's going to come a point in time where you run out of 58 corvettes.

[1388] It don't exist anymore.

[1389] There's no more 58 corvettes.

[1390] Shit.

[1391] And that's where a lot of the older cue guys, you know, like we're speaking about, the older makers, Gus Zambodi, Balabushka, and then you have guys like John Schoeman.

[1392] I think John Schoeman went through a period of time where he might have made 10 cues in three years.

[1393] Yeah.

[1394] I mean, when we talk about these guys, another perfect example is Dennis Searing, who is arguably among a lot of Q guys is considered the top guy.

[1395] His cues probably have the highest resale value.

[1396] They're insane.

[1397] Yeah.

[1398] Insane.

[1399] Like a plain cue is like $4 ,000, $5 ,000, $6 ,000.

[1400] $4 ,000 for what looks like a house queue.

[1401] It's an amazing thing that a guy's excellence and his commitment to exacting standards can really be, can manifest itself in that sort of a way.

[1402] And that's, in that way, that's where, pool cues and that's where this this art form sort of like it it parallels everything else in life yeah like it's the same thing is like if the beetles are playing everybody wants to go and see them you know it really is the same thing almost it's like this just this uh boundless energy to achieve excellence and that's what and it's in this very specific space for this very specific purpose that maybe 4 ,000 people on this earth will understand or get.

[1403] Or give a fuck.

[1404] Yeah, or give a fuck.

[1405] Yeah, my wife looks at my pool queues and looks, what the fuck is wrong with you?

[1406] Like, who's the shit?

[1407] Oh, that one's pretty.

[1408] I just couldn't care less.

[1409] And I'm like...

[1410] But you know what?

[1411] That's the way I feel about watches.

[1412] Yeah.

[1413] You know, I see guys and they, you know, they can blow 100 grand on a watch.

[1414] You love that shit.

[1415] And it's like, you know...

[1416] Dudes get disappointed when they see my watch sometimes.

[1417] Because they're expecting you to have something Well, I have a nice watch The Russell Peters gave me A Brightling It's a fucking beautiful watch I would never spend that much money And the UFC gave me a Rolex So I have two legit watches But I'm wearing a watch It costs like 50 bucks I wish I bang them in the shit I just need to know what time it is I'm not trying to impress anybody Meanwhile you got a rack full of $5 ,000 pool of juice My interest is not depressing other people I'm interested in what I'm interested in you know like my car's a 2007 right now I'm not trying to get a 2014 I like I like what I like you know when I find I need I just need to find out what's the right shit what's the what's the shit that makes you feel best is it is it is it this is it that is it the watch that doesn't make me feel good that makes you feel like an idiot right why is that watch why doesn't it have a battery what I have to wind it with my hand that's so stupid do you know there's a limited supply of them.

[1418] They stick it in.

[1419] Do you know the watches with a battery cost $4?

[1420] What the fuck is wrong with people?

[1421] Dude, I got a Timex, what is it, one of those Iron Man?

[1422] Yeah, Iron Man. I wear it when I went hunting.

[1423] I bought it for hunting.

[1424] It's my favorite watch.

[1425] That motherfucker gave me no problems, gave me a little light.

[1426] I was in the middle of Montana.

[1427] You know, like, that's my watch.

[1428] I love that watch.

[1429] That's like a sacred watch to me. That watch is like the cheapest watch I own, but it has like significantly.

[1430] It means something.

[1431] That was the watch I wore the first time I killed a deer.

[1432] Yeah, that's, yeah, it means something.

[1433] The watch has got guts on it.

[1434] I read a story about a guy, a dude, it was a special forces team.

[1435] Guy rolls into the team room and he's showing off.

[1436] No, SF.

[1437] I'm sorry.

[1438] Was rolling in and he had a Rolex on.

[1439] He was like, yeah, checking you out on the shit.

[1440] And the guy goes, oh, that's cool.

[1441] Can you do this with it?

[1442] And he takes off his $60 G -shock and he throws it across the room and hits the wall.

[1443] He goes, let's see you do that, buddy.

[1444] Well, there's a weird thing we're doing.

[1445] There's a weird thing we're doing with watches and cars, and this is where it's wrong.

[1446] It's wrong if you're trying to impress other people.

[1447] It's wrong if you're spending your entire life savings to try to live in the house that everyone envies.

[1448] It's right.

[1449] If you have this idea for a house, I've always wanted to live in a log house.

[1450] Let's make this shit happen.

[1451] Fuck, I'm there.

[1452] I got a log house.

[1453] like if you enjoy the art of the log house but there's a lot of people wearing those hundred thousand dollar watches that are just like fucking sticking that shit in your face letting you know it's like it's like bad bad leroy brown he likes to wear his diamond ring and fun of everybody's nose and he's bad bad levor brown that's what that's the stupidity of it all the stupidity of it all is not buying a portia the stupidity of it all is needing people around you to appreciate that Porsche Yeah, to me, the guy who buys the Porsche because he gets off on the history and the performance and he understands it and he drives it, to me, I think that's cool as shit.

[1454] The fucking dentist who buys the Porsche that doesn't understand how to drive a stick shift is a doucheback.

[1455] Well, this saddest thing is when I see a guy, he's in a 9 -11, I look over, and he doesn't even have paddle shifters.

[1456] He's got that automatic with the buttons on the steering wheel.

[1457] And I'm like, you fucking slob, you slob.

[1458] And we're engineering.

[1459] I shouldn't say we, because as I've stated earlier, I'm an idiot and I'm not engineering anything.

[1460] But even Porsche, they're engineering away from the manual transmission.

[1461] There's no more manual transmission.

[1462] Well, that was always the thing with the 9 -11 was that it was a fucking deathmobile.

[1463] I mean, if you didn't know what the fuck you were doing, it would kill you.

[1464] For folks who don't know, the Porsche, a long, long, long time ago, back before anybody read books, they put the engine in the back of the car.

[1465] It's behind the rear axle.

[1466] It's a stupid place for the engine.

[1467] And back then, the cars only weighed 2 ,000 plus pounds.

[1468] They only had 150 horsepower at the most.

[1469] You know, when they were designing these things, they had really narrow tires, and they were really slippery.

[1470] like if you went around a corner and you gun the gas the wrong time your ass end would totally kick out they were notorious for what's called oversteering meaning like as you're turning the car steers further than you would like it to and some people figured out how to drive with that they figured out to walk brought in the the rear axle or brought in the tires rather stretch out the uh the real stance and then figure out how to accelerate out of corners go into them slow but then the traction of having the weight below the back wheels, like allows you to actually take off quicker.

[1471] It allows you a very fast zero to 60 acceleration.

[1472] There's like a lot of good things if you know how to drive.

[1473] You got the ass on the drive wheels, so it puts the weight over them.

[1474] But it's interesting because they basically have spent the past, you know, several decades trying to engineer their way around a terrible idea.

[1475] And they have another car.

[1476] Here's their number one problem.

[1477] Porsche has a call called the Cayman.

[1478] And the Cayman's their, you know, you would call it entry.

[1479] No, no, no, that's the cayenne.

[1480] The Cayman is a very small mid -engine car, and it's a beautiful car now.

[1481] It used to be ugly as shit.

[1482] Back when Porsche had the 996, the 996 was the first water -cooled car.

[1483] What was the cheap one?

[1484] What was the...

[1485] That's the Boxter.

[1486] The Boxster is the Cayman with a roof over it.

[1487] But see, the Boxster, that's the Cayman.

[1488] That's the new one.

[1489] It's dope as fuck.

[1490] But they have to keep it underpowered.

[1491] You know why?

[1492] Because it's not a rear -engine car.

[1493] It's a mid -engine car.

[1494] So its balance is much better.

[1495] It handles much better.

[1496] Its acceleration is prime.

[1497] It's beautiful.

[1498] And so they keep it about 325, 350 maximum.

[1499] Isn't that sick?

[1500] We're talking about 350's underpowered.

[1501] It's ridiculously underpowered.

[1502] My Porsche has 502.

[1503] The shark works?

[1504] Is yours our wheel drive or?

[1505] No, no, no, no, no, no. It's rear wheel drive.

[1506] I'm a savage.

[1507] You don't go in for that comments bullshit.

[1508] That's fucking, all wheel drives.

[1509] Yeah, that's the government trying to shrink your dick.

[1510] That's all that is.

[1511] they're trying to take away your testosterone.

[1512] The rear drive is where it's at.

[1513] If you're going to drive a sports car, especially at Porsche, it's rear wheel drive, and it's a wide body.

[1514] Shut the fuck up.

[1515] You're supposed to have a big fat rear set of tires and a lot of goddamn power, and you better know what the fuck happens when that 60, 40 gets out of whack.

[1516] You've got to know it out of counter steer, so what?

[1517] That's sick.

[1518] And you should go naturally aspirated, too.

[1519] Stop fucking around with those turbochargers.

[1520] Yeah, they're cute and everything, but they don't even make the same sound.

[1521] Like half of the fun of an engine is the sound.

[1522] What about your Mustang?

[1523] Your Mustang's got a supercharger.

[1524] Yeah, but that's okay.

[1525] Supercharge is okay because it doesn't take away from the sound.

[1526] It adds a little extra sound.

[1527] It adds a little wine.

[1528] It adds that little shit, a little fucking robocop to the V8.

[1529] It actually is kind of cool.

[1530] But a turbo charge is a real problem, man. Turbocharges, they muffle.

[1531] Well, the lag is sort of, it's barely noticeable now because they have twin turbos.

[1532] It's like a car like the Nissan GTR or the 9 -11 turbo.

[1533] Burbo, barely noticeable, unless you get a hold of a GT3.

[1534] If you get a hold of a GT3, that's the race car that they allow you to drive in the street.

[1535] That car is totally naturally aspirated.

[1536] So my car revs up.

[1537] I have a GT3 RS, and it revs up to 8 ,800 RPM.

[1538] So it's like, what?

[1539] Like, as it's going up like that.

[1540] Is that yours?

[1541] Or is that similar?

[1542] That's a GT3.

[1543] Mine's a GT3RS.

[1544] If you Google, Gt3RS, SharkWorks.

[1545] I have one that I sent to this company in Northern California.

[1546] So you got like a GT3RS and then...

[1547] I'm like, it's not crazy enough.

[1548] You got to put some more shit on that.

[1549] I got to send it to the baddest motherfuckers in Porsche aftermarket.

[1550] And then they take it and they change suspension.

[1551] Every bump it goes over, it hurts my balls.

[1552] But I don't care.

[1553] It doesn't matter.

[1554] It's so loud.

[1555] Dude, I got to tell you, though, the thing you did that I will always, and I think, I'm curious, I want to ask you this question, how much, I mean, I think, I think, do you what's your opinion i think that the car you had built on rides the sick fish yeah i think that thing i mean that's always stuck with me do you get that from a lot of car guys yeah they love it but i i give them the reality of driving that car and driving that car for a few years it broke down so many fucking times really and i'm going to say this without being negative at all There was a lot of issues in the construction of this car behind the scenes that allowed me to see things that I didn't know about the car world that mirrored the world of construction of homes, mirrored the world of – there's a lot of fuckery that goes on.

[1556] And unfortunately, and there's the guys who made it, Chip Fuse designed it, and Troy Chippenier built it, they did a great fucking job.

[1557] But there's a bunch of other people involved in these transactions that you have to deal with that are – not just on – pleasant, but unpleasant at the point where they inspire murderous thoughts.

[1558] And I had to deal with these people to the point where I had to get on the phone and raise my voice and I don't like doing that.

[1559] So there was a weirdness attached to that car.

[1560] And then there was the fact they didn't do what I wanted them to do.

[1561] I wanted them to make a car that I can drive.

[1562] You know, I wanted a car that, you know, they had a car that they did on, the show was called Rides.

[1563] They had a 67 fastback Mustang that they built.

[1564] It was fucking beautiful.

[1565] And it was a, you know, normal lifted suspension.

[1566] normal height off the ground so you could drive it around that's what I wanted to do I wanted a muscle car to drive around and they made me this lowered chopped thing with giant wheels and super complicated and show car tricks is spent total show car and I was driving it to the comedy store every weekend I didn't do a fuck but this thing was not doing well it would leave me stranded it left me stranded several times and more scary than that one day I came home I pulled into my driveway and I'm turning to get into the garage and my car the bank leans to the side.

[1567] This is it right here.

[1568] This is one of the few days where I pulled it into the comedy store.

[1569] It's a beautiful car.

[1570] I still love it, man. To this day, I kind of miss it.

[1571] I like the fact that you didn't fall into the foosh two -tone trap.

[1572] Yeah, that motherfucker tried to turn my car into a Spanish hooker.

[1573] And I was like, that's just not happening, dog.

[1574] I love silver.

[1575] That silver color is beautiful.

[1576] It's so gorgeous.

[1577] And it accentuates the shape of the car.

[1578] Yeah.

[1579] So, I pulled into my driveway, and all of a sudden the car leans to the left, like clunk, and I get out, and I look, and the wheel has, the suspension is separated from the frame, and the wheel is going sideways into the fender.

[1580] The fender's bent.

[1581] Holy shit.

[1582] And I'm like, I was just on the highway.

[1583] Right, right, right.

[1584] I was on the highway.

[1585] I was going 70 miles an hour.

[1586] Your wheel could have fell off.

[1587] Easily.

[1588] I would have been dead.

[1589] I had a three -point harness and a roll cage so maybe I'm exaggerating I might not be dead but I might be concussed I might have been fucked up I might who knows when it could have happened it could have been run over by a semi anything could have happened and so I brought it to this guy in Seamy Valley and I had him Steve Strupe and I had him just put the best possible suspension on it fix it up make it cut all the bullshit would they fuck up fix that raise it a little little keeps bottoming out you know like find out find out why these bolts separated from the suspension what did they figure out was something just break it was too low it was too low was bottoming out it was so loud i couldn't hear when it was bottoming out it was the most ridiculously rugged ride in the history of automobiles it was like and the the sound was it was so loud it was what was in it what kind of motor a 528 hemmy I believe it was a 528 I believe that was it was an engine from a truck or a crate engine.

[1590] It wasn't even an engine that was ever offered.

[1591] I remember watching that thing and I what, how long ago was that man?

[1592] That was a long time ago.

[1593] It was like 2004 or something like that.

[1594] But I remember that show and I remember that show and I remember watching that and seeing a car man, that's the sweetest fucking looking.

[1595] Yeah.

[1596] But here's the deal man. That's the GTS but not a 4 .0 put up a GTS Shark Works.

[1597] Kermit if you find Kermit.

[1598] My friend Alex, this used to be his car.

[1599] He's the one who built my car, and he made this car called Kermit, but he had to wind up selling it.

[1600] Somebody just came with too much cash.

[1601] Because what they do is they take the GTSRS, which is Rensport.

[1602] Rensport is the most race -ready version of the Porsche 9 -11.

[1603] They cut out the back seats, they cut all the weight, they lower the sound deadening.

[1604] Is that a cage in it?

[1605] Yeah, yeah, mine does.

[1606] And that's what his looks like.

[1607] Mine's outside.

[1608] I'll show you after a show.

[1609] That's the green one that he had.

[1610] And that car is, you know, 502 horsepower, 2 ,900 pounds, and just fucking flies.

[1611] And not just flies, but it's like, it's glued to the ground.

[1612] It's got this feel that it gives you when you hit corners.

[1613] Even if I'm going 30 miles an hour, I love the way it feels.

[1614] It feels like an athlete.

[1615] It feels like, you know, every other car is capable.

[1616] And if you, that's all you're looking for.

[1617] You're looking for something that gets you from point A to point B?

[1618] I'm not judging you.

[1619] I'm not.

[1620] But it doesn't take away.

[1621] There's some people like, everybody has to like what they like.

[1622] And if you don't like what they like, something wrong with you.

[1623] You're an asshole.

[1624] You're a fucking homophobic.

[1625] You like V8s.

[1626] Everybody's got to be outraged.

[1627] Yeah, they got to find something that they like that you don't or you like that they don't.

[1628] If you don't like, you're a dick.

[1629] People are fucking crazy.

[1630] But for me, I am madly in love with engineering.

[1631] I'm madly in love with the craftsmanship involved in building an engine and just the feeling of turning the key.

[1632] Do you follow F1 at all?

[1633] Yes.

[1634] Did you see Dario Franchetti take a diver into the fucking wall the other day?

[1635] Was that F1?

[1636] That's not F1.

[1637] No, that was.

[1638] Frankini doesn't fix F1.

[1639] Yeah, let me, Dario.

[1640] No, it wasn't.

[1641] You're right.

[1642] I guess he's Indy.

[1643] Lamonts.

[1644] Was it Indy?

[1645] Yeah, you're right.

[1646] It was Indy.

[1647] Yes.

[1648] He was released from the hospital.

[1649] That guy's got an incredible car.

[1650] He's got a series of cars, but he's got a 1973 Porsche that he had rebuilt and put like modern suspension on it and a 350 horsepower engine.

[1651] It's like a hot rod Porsche.

[1652] His name's Dario Franchetti, C -H -I -T -I -T -I.

[1653] Is he still married to?

[1654] No, son.

[1655] Free Atlanta.

[1656] free at last thank god almighty do you know him no he was married to an actress though i can only assume that it's for the right exactly better for everyone involved this is him crashing yeah look at this he got launched into the fucking cage jesus christ i lived in indianapolis broke his neck that was you know the indy 500 obviously but it's interesting to me that most of the f1 drivers won't race indy because they say it's too fucking dangerous Well, it makes sense because, you know, in F1, they have long straights and every, you know, every once in a while.

[1657] God, what's the dude's name?

[1658] It'll come to me. But anyway, very rarely do guys get killed.

[1659] Pull up his car.

[1660] Dario Franchetti, hot rod, Porsche.

[1661] Rarely do guys get killed in F1.

[1662] I mean, it's happened, but it's pretty rare.

[1663] But in Indy, they're going 200 plus miles and that.

[1664] hour in an oval you know in f1 they've got turns and shit like that to keep them slowed down but uh is that Ferrari no that's a Porsche that's a that's a that's a Porsche GT that's a Carrera GT but that's not his car I'll tell you he's got a 1973 Porsche hot rod dario just Google that I'll tell you some shit you ought to check out man and I'm not I'm not a biker I'm not a motorcycle guy I'm not not in any way shape form or fashion but something that absolutely fascinates the shit out of me is the Isle of Man T .T. What's that?

[1665] Oh.

[1666] Oh, fuck.

[1667] I can't.

[1668] What is it?

[1669] The Isle of Man TT is a race that's been going on for a long time.

[1670] You know what the Isle of Man is?

[1671] Okay.

[1672] Well, tell people who don't know.

[1673] Isle of Man is a little tiny -ass island off the coast of England.

[1674] And what they do is T .T. Stans for Tourist Trophy.

[1675] And it's been going on for, I want to say, like, 100 years.

[1676] close to it but uh they shut down the roads on the island and they have a race course that's like 16 18 miles something like that all throughout the island but it's motorcycles it's all bikes and it's one of the only places where these guys can go balls out on real streets um i'll tell you how dangerous it is it used to be i think in the 70s they took it off the circuit.

[1677] At one time, it was on the circuit of, like, internationally recognized races, and they took it off because it was too dangerous.

[1678] Too many people were dying.

[1679] Over the history of the race, they average one to two people a year die at that race.

[1680] Wow.

[1681] And it's, there's, I can't remember the name of the documentary on it, but just Google Isle of Man TT and watch some of the footage.

[1682] And these guys, here, it's crazy, it's sick.

[1683] These are streets.

[1684] There's no barrier.

[1685] there's no runoff areas nothing look at this i mean these guys are going 150 you know 180 miles an hour street yeah how does everybody know do they make sure that everybody knows oh it's a giant deal look like this is through the mountains and shit and they're racing yeah oh my god how many people die uh one to two a year oh there's been over 200 dead since the race began oh my god yeah no but i mean look at this What is this Is this because Europeans are just used to death You know They have a long History It's famine And shit The guys The guys who run This race Like you have Uh What's the shit What's the MotoGP MotoGP Which is like F1 for motorcycles Oh my god But these guys Those guys don't Fuck with this Because it's too Too dangerous Yeah So who's doing this The craziest The crazy Pretty much Look at these motherfuckers popping wheelies.

[1686] Look at the fucking camera view of this dude.

[1687] What is it what does it with the speed say there?

[1688] 170.

[1689] Oh, Jesus.

[1690] Fucking Louises.

[1691] 170 with just raw body.

[1692] So anytime you fall, you're dead.

[1693] You die.

[1694] 100%.

[1695] Or you get really fucked up.

[1696] Forever.

[1697] There was a great documentary and for the life of me, I'll, I need to Google it and give you the name of it.

[1698] I'm terrible with like little details and shit.

[1699] fucking camera on this car this is insane that's a bike that's a I mean bike yeah that's like a 300 pound motorcycle but look at the camera like when you see like what he's seeing it's nuts it's a blur that's what's crazy I mean and where they get fucked up is everyone like there's a there's a somewhere if online there's like a greatest hits video of the wrecks and you remember that one scene where they're going through the the green fields the beautiful you know emerald fields and there's like a sloping turn that goes to the right yeah something fucked up guy just goes straight oh jesus and fly i mean he just flies oh my god and he's dead i mean it's like as soon as he went off the road he was dead did you ever see that video it just took him about 20 seconds before he hit oh 20 seconds in the air just think about 20 seconds that's probably that's probably an overestimation 10 five even five one one you knew you were dead two one one thousand three one thousand four one thousand five you gotta you gotta think you know the only worst thing i could think about going like that tigers nope uh the fucking snail did you see the 747 crash yes that would fucking suck that would suck that would suck being in the cockpit hearing those change break the fucking cargo shifts to the rear and you're like that's a wrap you know you're gonna die How much cargo was in there that made it snap like that?

[1700] I don't know if I'm making this up, but I want to say I heard MRAPs.

[1701] MRAPs, what's that mean?

[1702] Mind -resistant armor personnel carriers.

[1703] Oh, Jesus.

[1704] There were the giant -assed.

[1705] There are the things that kind of replaced the Humvees.

[1706] Oh, Jesus.

[1707] That makes sense, the mass and how it was just impossible to navigate.

[1708] If you've never seen that video before, it was a video taken in Afghanistan of a 747 that it's taking off.

[1709] and then somewhere in the flight.

[1710] Right after takeoff, basically, yeah.

[1711] The chains break, the weight shifts, and it comes crashing directly into the ground.

[1712] It's like it just stops in midair.

[1713] It's so weird.

[1714] And then it just falls.

[1715] It's one of the things about having, you know, dashboard cameras.

[1716] Here it is right here.

[1717] See, they're flying out.

[1718] Oh, this freaks me out every time.

[1719] Oh, this is insane.

[1720] It's flying up.

[1721] And what's crazy is the dude who's taping this?

[1722] I want to say he was a U .S. soldier, but he doesn't.

[1723] It doesn't say a word during this whole time.

[1724] It doesn't say shit.

[1725] It drops down and you see it.

[1726] And at this point in time, you know, you're like, oh my God, boom.

[1727] And it drops down.

[1728] Have you ever seen the beat?

[1729] That's so insane.

[1730] Play that again, please, James.

[1731] After this, I got another great air crash for you.

[1732] That's insane.

[1733] Look at this.

[1734] Look at this.

[1735] Imagine being in that bus.

[1736] And you're like, fuck it.

[1737] And that's what the dude who's taping it.

[1738] He had the, you can hear the audio because it's an ambient.

[1739] It doesn't say a fucking thing.

[1740] Well, how used to trauma is this gentleman?

[1741] I don't know, but I mean, I would be freaking the fuck out.

[1742] Well, that's one of the biggest issues about these wars is bringing these young people home and giving them no tools to deal with the kind of trauma that they've seen.

[1743] And the reality they've experienced and how much different that reality is than the reality of me or of a normal person who has not gone to war.

[1744] You're dealing with a totally different type of human with completely different rewiring of the possibilities of reality.

[1745] And what's fucked up is this country has done it every war they've ever had.

[1746] They're always going to do it until someone tells them they can't do it.

[1747] 1918, you know, World War I, World War II, I mean, it's...

[1748] 200027 is going to be, our robots, killed your robots.

[1749] Do you give up?

[1750] You know what?

[1751] And that's one of the things about the drone.

[1752] I'm fascinated with the drone versus drones.

[1753] I don't ever think it'll be drones versus drones.

[1754] Maybe it will.

[1755] I don't know.

[1756] Well, that's when it starts getting interesting.

[1757] Right now it sucks.

[1758] Well, what's scary is drones versus humans.

[1759] It's not fair.

[1760] It makes it too easy.

[1761] It's like trannies.

[1762] It's like a male transvestite, transsexual, fighting against female transsexuals.

[1763] Oh, yeah, you got me. I agree.

[1764] That's that issue.

[1765] You know, there's a lot of people in the transvestite and transgender community that believe that I'm a transphobe because I've made some comments about a woman who used to be a man. I have nothing but love for that woman that used to be a man. I got nothing but love for anybody.

[1766] but I am coming at anything to completely from the point of fairness when it comes to combat sports.

[1767] Sure.

[1768] That's it.

[1769] I could give zero fucks if you want to be a man, if you would rather be a woman.

[1770] There was a, there was a Navy SEAL that, what was it?

[1771] Well, there was.

[1772] Who wrote a book recently?

[1773] Warrior Princess, right?

[1774] Brian Callan, my boy, he interviewed him on his podcast or her on his podcast.

[1775] Yep.

[1776] I'm fooled.

[1777] How do you, you know...

[1778] I'm as as pro -gender equality as I am pro -gun control.

[1779] Sure.

[1780] Or pro -gun ownership, I should say.

[1781] Actually, you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want.

[1782] And that's where I'm at.

[1783] It's like, and the other thing, too, especially with a person like that, man, woman, I don't know what the proper...

[1784] It's a woman wants the trends...

[1785] You look, that's how I would accept it.

[1786] Any person who serves their nation in that capacity, I mean, any person can do whatever the fuck they want.

[1787] But the fact of it is that They got your respect.

[1788] Yeah, absolutely.

[1789] They have my respect as well.

[1790] And you know what, man, any kid who grows up that is growing up as a boy but wishes he was a girl, they have my respect to.

[1791] You know, and there's a lot of people in the transgender community that have been upset at me about this issue, about this MMA fighter.

[1792] But believe me and trust me, it has nothing to do with anything except combat sports.

[1793] That, to me, is a legit issue because you're talking about, I'm sorry, but this thing is not like, like the other.

[1794] Well, you know why I know it?

[1795] At the end of the day, it really isn't.

[1796] Well, there's, there's not equal.

[1797] There's variations inside the male frame as well.

[1798] You know, and I have experienced tremendous benefits from being on the fortunate side of certain genetics.

[1799] Sure.

[1800] Like, I have manhands.

[1801] I have big fat, stupid manhands.

[1802] And if you put a woman in a dress, and if she had these manhands, she'd be a dangerous bitch.

[1803] Sure.

[1804] That's, that's not fair.

[1805] Right.

[1806] It's not fair.

[1807] The male frame is not fair.

[1808] The, the male, hips are different.

[1809] Renee Richards sucked as a man as a tennis player but dominated bitches as a woman.

[1810] You know, and that's, it's just, it's a matter of competition.

[1811] And I don't have any problem with that competition when it comes to anything involving anything other than physical damage.

[1812] Anything where you don't get to beat somebody up.

[1813] Exactly.

[1814] My, if you, it was baseball and also this girl who used to be a guy is now awesome at baseball, tough shit, get better at baseball.

[1815] You know, the interesting thing about transgender is when it comes to non -combat sports, because they've never achieved world championship status.

[1816] Sure.

[1817] Like the most famous is Renee Richards, who became like 20th in the nation as top level as a professional tennis player.

[1818] That means that a dude who used to be a dude who became a woman, okay, becomes a woman, is a woman now, still can't be the best, you know, double X chromosome women.

[1819] Well, because to me, it goes back to what we talked about, excellence, at any level, no matter what, you know.

[1820] So you're saying that if you had excellence, you would accept the natural -born gender that you're born with?

[1821] No, no. No, what I'm saying is...

[1822] Sexual identities are just in your mind.

[1823] What I'm saying is a genetic, like, strength advantage cannot overcome someone who has the drive and willingness to be great.

[1824] That's all good on paper.

[1825] It can and it can.

[1826] It depends on what the...

[1827] What the, what the, um, you take a media, here's a perfect example.

[1828] You take a mediocre run -of -the -mill male pro, okay?

[1829] Okay.

[1830] Now, actually, this is probably a bad example because there's a pretty big disparity in pool between men and women players, which is crazy because there shouldn't be.

[1831] That's what I need to do.

[1832] I need to get on the woman's pro tour and start dominoleming people.

[1833] Tell me, can I place top 10 in the women's pro tour?

[1834] Do you think I'm my very best.

[1835] I guarantee you could place top 20.

[1836] That is amazing.

[1837] guarantee you could face it.

[1838] As a professional woman's pool player, Allison Fisher would always rob me. I guarantee you you could place top 20, but the top five would hoax you.

[1839] Those bitches would rob me, no matter what.

[1840] But for now, for now.

[1841] If I got psychotic.

[1842] But, hey, if you had to get beat and you got beat by Guy Young Kim, there's a lot worse things out there.

[1843] There's a lot worse things in life to go home and sleep to.

[1844] And contemplate before you sleep, meditate before you sleep.

[1845] You say that, but that's if I get crazy.

[1846] If I get crazy and I dedicate my life to that shit.

[1847] Still, too late.

[1848] I got a dick.

[1849] They don't have a deck.

[1850] Don't matter.

[1851] Too late.

[1852] I feel good.

[1853] Here's something about pool.

[1854] Too late.

[1855] Too late.

[1856] It's too late.

[1857] Too late unless you involve mushrooms in the equation.

[1858] Doesn't matter.

[1859] It does.

[1860] You say it doesn't.

[1861] Don't make me prove you wrong.

[1862] Every great pool player I know was great by the time they were 21.

[1863] They didn't do mushrooms.

[1864] If they did do mushrooms, they would realize that you can have a rebirth at any point in time and then dedicate your sights entirely on that goal.

[1865] That's true.

[1866] There's no benefit.

[1867] If there was a benefit, if there was some fucking Hurricane Higgins money, no benefit.

[1868] No benefit.

[1869] If there was some fucking snooker.

[1870] money you know if there was some real snooker money hey man even snooker even snooker's not snooker anymore no it's not you know what nothing's like it was no fucking nascar teams presidents do you want to know that Ford motor company just dropped john force now I'm not a drag racing guy what's john force John force is the biggest name and NHRA drag race well he never reached me he never reached my head no dude you know John Forst you will fuck himself and let's move along I guarantee if I showed castrol you would see it It's got two hot -ass daughters that drive to.

[1871] Come on, man. Don't tell me you driving like.

[1872] I told you I like German cars.

[1873] Oh, that's right.

[1874] You're that guy.

[1875] I like American cars, too.

[1876] Would you ever build another hot rod?

[1877] Would you ever build another hot rod?

[1878] Yes.

[1879] It would have to be with a friend.

[1880] My issue with building that car was I didn't know that dude that well, and shit got squirrelly.

[1881] If you could build another car, what would you build?

[1882] 69 Camaro or 69 Mustang.

[1883] Those are my two.

[1884] There's something about the summer of love.

[1885] that created, in my opinion, the perfect cars except for Mopars.

[1886] Mopars became perfect at 70.

[1887] Yeah.

[1888] The 69 Barracuda cannot fuck with the 70 Barracuda or Challenger.

[1889] Yeah.

[1890] There's something about the 1970s cars.

[1891] That's 69 Mustangs and nasty motherfucker too.

[1892] Fastback?

[1893] Yes.

[1894] Oh, it's about as good as it gets.

[1895] About as good as get my friend Bud Bredsman.

[1896] Did you ever drive in Eleanor?

[1897] Did you ever fuck with one?

[1898] No. No. The real problem is the driving is really.

[1899] really it's fun and it's interesting and you're you're hopping into a time machine yeah 25 minutes later you're done yeah it smells like gas it stinks you try to take a corner the fucking ass end slides out on you the brakes they lock up and leave these big black patches when a fucking cat runs in front of the road and meanwhile you've got this fucking UFO in the garage over yeah yeah i had a nut what ruined me I had a 996 2003 or 2004 whatever it was 9 -11 turbo that ruined me that motherfucker ruined me because it was four -wheel drive it was zero to 16 under four seconds the stupidest car I've ever had in my life and I had no idea that the physics of the movement that that car was capable of were possible right so I would drive like a muscle car after then it had a beautiful feeling to it like the smell and the sound and the analog steering and the shifting of your own gears, like if you could get a standard.

[1900] My barracuda was actually an automatic, which is one of the things I didn't like about it.

[1901] You built a car and had an automatic put in it?

[1902] It was their idea.

[1903] I let them do everything.

[1904] That's how it all happened.

[1905] Was your man car to spend it, or how did that work?

[1906] Well, it became, I spent the money on it, for sure, but it was all them telling me, I didn't know enough about the muscle car world.

[1907] Sure.

[1908] And so when I was having it built, I didn't.

[1909] Why the fuck did they put an automatic in it?

[1910] Because of the amount of power.

[1911] The engine was 700 horsepower.

[1912] 700 horsepower is an insane amount of money I mean it's an insane amount of power and money but it sounds like a fire breathing dragon I mean and he was saying that the clutch we just wouldn't handle it sure it was just too much fucking Was there a blower on the motor?

[1913] Yeah oh Jesus yeah it was a ridiculous car It was a ridiculous car Well actually we went up going No no no I take that back we went up going with electronic fuel injection no blower 700 horsepower naturally aspirated When you drive a car like that that or like your Porsche I could see because like in LA there's Porsche is everywhere so you can kind of slip under the radar people may not know exactly what the fuck it is but like with a muscle car like that that really just stands out when you drove it was it like a pain in the ass because you had to worry about where you park it's like putting your dick on the mirror and then putting a magnifying glass over your dick and then putting that magnifying glass connecting it to a like a gigantic speaker you know one of those those projector screens from high school that's what it was like it was I enjoyed it's kind of uncomfortable what well I enjoyed the people that were cool about it but I did not enjoy the people that weren't cool about it the best thing that anybody ever said is I was at sunset leaving the comedy store and I was parked at there was like a red light and some guy was walking across street and the dude it was a black dude of course because they just have away with words he looked at my car he goes goddamn that's what I'm talking about and he just started pointing me that's what I'm talking about god damn that's a motherfucking car god damn and he walked across the street and he's like god damn two more times at that point at the car he's like god damn that was almost worth having that car all the bullshit almost kill you and the wheel fall off the wheel far off was a real issue and the other real issue was the fact that i understood from reading road and track and motor trend and then online blogs i started understanding automotive technology right because before i came into it as a comedian that, you know, stumbled upon some money and, well, that'd be pretty to drive.

[1914] And then you'd drive and you just go, what the fuck is this?

[1915] And then I realized that I appreciated a car that actually worked as much or more than I appreciated a car that was beautiful looking.

[1916] Is that why you liked a Porsche Rover?

[1917] Yes.

[1918] You know why I like it?

[1919] Because there's a feel to it that, like, I know they're not as good looking.

[1920] Like if I see a Ferrari, to me a Ferrari, four, five, eight, Italia is about as beautiful as someone can engineer.

[1921] Right.

[1922] I mean, it might be less beautiful 10 years from now because they figure out a new shape or it might be less beautiful because there's a new aesthetic.

[1923] But to me, that's like as beautiful.

[1924] But who is this car for?

[1925] Is it for that's a four or five of bad Talia?

[1926] I mean, look at that fucking thing.

[1927] That thing is mid -engine, fantastic Italian engineering and designs.

[1928] All those slits, you see those where the hood reaches the bumper and there's this sort of triangular opening?

[1929] That's for downforce and cooling and the vents underneath the front bumper all for downforce.

[1930] It's a fucking marvel of engineering.

[1931] Plus the history, the racing history, the F1, everything.

[1932] Nothing wrong with it.

[1933] However, a lot of that shit is for other people.

[1934] And that's where I feel like a bitch.

[1935] I personally feel like a bitch when I'm doing things for other people.

[1936] sure there's a balance between other people and myself and i feel like that balance is almost like a gritty old muscle car or a 73 9 -11 r s that you haven't really rsr that you haven't fucking done anything to the paint five years right chips around your wheel wells patina you develop some patina you got a few knicks in your hoods you don't give a fuck from some steve mclean shit Some Steve McQueen shit for real.

[1937] That's what I'm talking about, man. It's like we've gone to this manicured nail era.

[1938] You know, what are you wearing a wig?

[1939] What the fuck are you doing?

[1940] You know, there's some bullshit going on where people are, they're gravitating towards the non -manly way.

[1941] And that non -manly way is pulling them there because of scarcity and because it's difficult to acquire attractive women that want to fuck you unless you appeal to their aesthetics.

[1942] Well, I tell you what, you just touched on something that I really believe in this country is, a big thing.

[1943] And maybe it's just because the way I look at the world, but there is a lot of shit out there especially modern media, things like that.

[1944] I was a perfect example.

[1945] You look at, I'm a movie.

[1946] I love movies.

[1947] Me too.

[1948] If they're good.

[1949] Yeah.

[1950] And I'm a child of the 80s.

[1951] Okay.

[1952] Hey, hold on a second.

[1953] Let's stop this podcast and we're going to start up another one because we're about at three hours, right?

[1954] Yeah, just got to stop you.

[1955] I'm up to stop the audio.

[1956] We're going to stop you stream.

[1957] We're going to come back with the audio.

[1958] I'm going to take a piss.

[1959] Justin's going to take a piss.

[1960] You know, because people have complained.

[1961] It sounds ridiculous.

[1962] People have complained.

[1963] They go, dude, no, the opposite.

[1964] Why your podcast stop at three hours?

[1965] We're not going to stop at three hours.

[1966] We're going to do an additional hour.

[1967] Right.

[1968] But we're going to wrap this bitch up right now.

[1969] So the next one will be no commercials, no bullshit, no nothing.

[1970] We're just going to drain our bladders.

[1971] And we've got more shit to talk about.

[1972] Justin's my brother.

[1973] We've been friends for how long we've been friends now?

[1974] Five years?

[1975] We've got a lot of shit to talk about.

[1976] I love you, man. We're going to talk some more.

[1977] So let's shut this fucking podcast off.

[1978] Let's thank all of our sponsors, including audible .com.

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[1980] It is something that I recommend very highly.

[1981] I'm a big fan of audiobooks.

[1982] And I'm a big fan of Audible as a company.

[1983] They've been around for a long time.

[1984] My brother, Steve Marmel, used to have a gig where he would do five new minutes of stand -up every week.

[1985] And I thought about doing that, but I'm like, I don't want that online.

[1986] It's going to be terrible.

[1987] It's new every week.

[1988] It could be horrible.

[1989] But Marmell had the balls to do that every week, and he did it through Audible .com, and I thought that was a really cool thing that they did.

[1990] So I've always been a fan of Audible.

[1991] And to this day, a fan, not just because of that, because of the service they provide.

[1992] The service they provide is excellent.

[1993] One free audio book, 30 free days of Audible service.

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[1998] It's an excellent service.

[1999] I've heard a lot of good things about it online.

[2000] And like I said, eventually we're going to do something.

[2001] Maybe we'll do it like once a month.

[2002] We'll have a go -to meeting online conference.

[2003] we'll discuss the nature of the future of reality while you show me your asshole and wear a fucking guy Fawkes masks.

[2004] But until then, go to go -toMeeting .com, use the promo code J -R -E and try it free for 30 days.

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[2006] Okay.

[2007] All right, you fucks.

[2008] We'll be right back in about five minutes with my brother, Justin, and that's a wrap.