#1562 - Dave Smith

[0] The Joe Rogan experience.

[1] Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[2] Joe, I see him back.

[3] What are you doing in town?

[4] I came in.

[5] I was doing my buddy Scott Horton show and hanging out with him for a little bit.

[6] And you're looking for a place to escape.

[7] Yeah, exactly.

[8] New York, Schultz told me that New York is like they just won World War III.

[9] People were dancing in the streets.

[10] I was there in Union Square the other day.

[11] We did a show at the stand.

[12] and it was the day they called it for Biden and as much as I just despise Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, it was kind of nice for the city to just have one, just to have a day.

[13] It's the only day that it's felt happy there since March.

[14] Here too.

[15] People are honking in the streets.

[16] I went to dinner with Tom Seguer.

[17] He was in town and we were driving on streets.

[18] People are honking and cheering and people are so happy.

[19] I'm happy for people to be happy.

[20] I like that.

[21] Even if they're happy for a stupid reason, you're like at least be happy it's just it's too complicated and you're a guy who knows a lot about politics and in the way the world works but it's too complicated to really go into depth about it for most people so so many people just have this sort of cursory understanding of politics and then they follow a narrative the narrative is Trump is bad you get him out Biden's good and then you go yeah well what about the crime bill what about the iraq war what about what about what she did Nobody wants to hear it.

[22] Nobody wants to hear it.

[23] All they want to say is that the good guys won.

[24] Now we're going to go back to be in America again.

[25] And then Pfizer announces a new vaccine.

[26] Well, it would be nice if we could go back to being America again.

[27] I think we're still far off from that happening.

[28] But you're right that I think most people, and it's not just politics.

[29] It's true with everything in life.

[30] Like most people have expertise in very limited areas.

[31] and for everything else, you're kind of just trusting what somebody else tells you.

[32] Yeah, and especially with politics.

[33] It's so, I know very little about it, even though I've read a lot about it.

[34] I'm still, I'm like, what is all this?

[35] You know there's some fuckery going on, and you know there's a lot of special interests, and there's a lot of money, and there's a lot of shenanigans.

[36] But it's like, to really know how this stuff works, to really understand lobbyists, to really understand how bills get passed, to really understand Congress, to really understand the Senate.

[37] Like, you've got a deep dive for years.

[38] Yeah, and then you still don't know a lot of it.

[39] I mean, you know, you can go based off, say, like, what's been declassified that the CIA has been doing, but what do we not know?

[40] I mean, and there's a whole lot that we don't know.

[41] But I think we know enough to go, to know that it stinks, that there's a lot of corruption.

[42] And in many ways, I think that's what Trump, at least the people who support Trump saw him as as the guy who was outside that system who was kind of fighting for them.

[43] Not saying that's the truth, but I think that's what a lot of Trump supporters saw in him.

[44] Yeah, that was the simplistic comic book version of what Trump was to them.

[45] And that's where like that Q &N stuff all comes in and, you know, people thinking that it's really like this plot to stop child molesters and...

[46] Yeah.

[47] Well, and the system is always corrupt.

[48] enough to give cover to the wildest conspiracy theory because they are already like you could say okay well perhaps you know Q and on conspiracy theorists believe some really crazy shit but then you just go but look at what happened with this Jeffrey Epstein guy I mean there really was this child sex trafficking ring that that was covered up I mean we have that woman on ABC News who was basically saying I broke the story and my boss has told me no I think it was NBC yeah we broke the story but you know they wanted to protect access to the royal family.

[49] So we would let a powerful multimillionaire or billionaire child sex trafficking ring leader skate because we wanted access to the royal family.

[50] What the fuck, dude?

[51] How about that video where the interview were Princess Andrew, Prince Andrew, it's Andrew, right?

[52] Princess Andrew.

[53] Prince, I misgendered him.

[54] I'm so sorry.

[55] Prince Andrew is on television with that lady and they're asking him.

[56] questions about whether or not he was there and what happened and you could see this look in his face like he's never really been questioned before yeah he the fact that he agreed to do is so weird like it's almost like he doesn't understand what a trap is look i've never been trapped before i'm a royal yeah is he a royal anymore they kick him out something happened i'm not sure i'm not sure they can kick you out yeah they can they kicked out the uh the dude who hooked up with the actress.

[57] Yeah, he wanted to bail.

[58] I think he left.

[59] I think he left too, but he wanted to go back for something.

[60] They'd go, nah, son.

[61] You're done.

[62] Wasn't there something recent, Jamie?

[63] Wasn't there something weird?

[64] Which one's he?

[65] Harry?

[66] Or is that Harry Potter?

[67] Am I thinking of Harry Potter?

[68] I think you're right.

[69] It's Harry.

[70] You confuse me with the Harry Potter.

[71] I just think it's fucking so preposterous that we literally don't know anything that guy's done other than that he's a prince.

[72] Prince Harry saddened and disappointed that his request for remembrance day, Reith was denied.

[73] Oh, no. The Duke of Sussex.

[74] Sossack.

[75] You know, we spend a lot of time...

[76] Look at that name.

[77] Sussex.

[78] Yeah.

[79] Was saddened and disappointed at the decision to snub his request for a wreath to be laid out at the National Memorial in London.

[80] Man, the level of suffering that he must go through to not get his royal wreath.

[81] Yeah.

[82] Yeah, I wonder why.

[83] Yeah, I don't think they led him.

[84] Decorated war hero.

[85] What?

[86] Prince Andrews is a decorated war hero?

[87] What did he do?

[88] That's news to me. I pressed buttons had led to victory.

[89] Yeah, I have a feeling the prince wasn't on the front line.

[90] We weren't just like throwing him out.

[91] He's a Royal Navy helicopter pilot in the war with Argentina to recapture the Falkland Islands in the 1980s and returned as a hero.

[92] I didn't even know there was a war with Argentina in the 1980s.

[93] Oh, I remember the Falkland Islands.

[94] I remember the name.

[95] Yeah, this smells like bullshit to me. I don't believe he's a war hero for a second.

[96] I'm a war hero and a royal.

[97] I demand a 16 -year -old girl.

[98] Well, when you say it like that, I mean, all right.

[99] We'll see what we can get you.

[100] It's just amazing that that Epstein guy roped so many people into that shit.

[101] It's real weird, man. It's real weird when something that creepy turns out to be true.

[102] Yeah, and it's very revealing.

[103] I mean, it's like, so if you had an honest, press, you know, if they weren't every bit as corrupt as those conspiracy theorists think they are, you would think that the fact that, say, like, a former president was on his flight logs would have led to a huge scandal where they would really want to get to the bottom of that.

[104] You would think right now they'd still want to get to the bottom of that.

[105] Like, hey, who else was involved in this?

[106] What did it?

[107] Now, okay, he was on his plane.

[108] We don't know that that means that Bill Clinton was involved in the worst aspects of it.

[109] But you would think the press would at least want to find that out, and there's very little interest.

[110] No, because the press goes after Bill Clinton, then Hillary Clinton gets somehow connected to it, and then that could sink Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, and that's bad for the people that hate Donald Trump.

[111] Jeffrey has for sure.

[112] Tombeek Mansion to be demolished.

[113] Oh, my God.

[114] Local real estate developer says he's in contract to buy the Waterfront estate and has planned to knock it down and build a new home.

[115] That's the smart move.

[116] $22 million house.

[117] Oh, shit.

[118] yeah well it's expensive down there meanwhile it's going to be underwater in like five years according to al war right i also already left it to a christian group which i was trying to find too such i don't know which one of those two stories this is in the washington journal so i'll believe that over the you left it to someone do you think they just have to knock it down just because it's his so they kind of have to yeah do you think it'd be awkward if there was like part of it they wanted to keep when i was looking at real estate in boulder the house where the little girl was killed what is her name the little girl who's in the jambon jambon jamesie that that house has been for sale forever.

[119] They can't sell it.

[120] I think they even changed the address.

[121] They might have even changed the name of the street trying to sell it and they just couldn't sell it.

[122] Because I remember we were looking at it.

[123] We were like, this house is nice.

[124] Like, why is it so cheap?

[125] It's one of those deals.

[126] And then you find out, you're like, oh, fuck.

[127] Because if you can afford a nice house, you'd probably prefer not the one that a little girl was killed in.

[128] Nobody wants that house.

[129] Yeah.

[130] Nobody wants that house.

[131] They're going to do it the one in New York.

[132] It says it's listed at $88 million.

[133] I'm going to buy it.

[134] I'm moving to New York I'm moving the show to New York I'm buying it as long as it comes to the painting of Bill Clinton in the blue dress I've heard it's set up with a lot of equipment so we should be able to do a show in it Okay, let's go up Yeah, it streams right to the CIA You don't even You don't even have to get them to watch you on YouTube They get a live feed Yeah, I'm going to buy that house Fuck it Let's do it Why not?

[135] It's pretty epic It's probably a really good investment Probably worth $89 million Eventually Yeah, and then...

[136] 70 or 70, so it's already gone up.

[137] And then if you try to sell it, it'll be like, oh, this was Joe Rogan's place.

[138] It won't have that Epstein, you know, stink on it anymore.

[139] Right.

[140] That's all the same.

[141] I think it's a good move.

[142] I support it.

[143] I need to talk to my guy.

[144] See if I can make it happen.

[145] I wouldn't buy a fucking newsstand in New York City.

[146] I don't believe in New York City anymore.

[147] I don't.

[148] I think that de Blasio guy has ruined that place for a solid 10 years.

[149] Yeah, I think you're right.

[150] I think...

[151] We got the fans on it.

[152] in here right i could smoke the cigar uh they were i'll go double check okay yeah here it says it's for sale right now gargantuan new york city mansion home to fstein horrors oh you get rented 30 000 a month yeah bam that's what we need to do we need to just rent it could do a month the podcast you know what we should do we should fill it up with homeless people and then leave just rent it and just let it let homeless people live there just tell tell them we want one room to do the podcast and then we'll have security make sure the homeless people don't go in that room everything else you do whatever you want that now that actually sounds like a bill de Blasio plan that you're putting into effect that's more or less what he's been doing yeah it's progressive yeah there you go imagine we did that they probably give you a freaking medal Bill de Blasio would probably celebrate you for doing it you know that's not his real name yeah I do know that it's got a German name uh huh yeah yeah he's very very weird guy oh he's the weirdest um and really uh committed to his weird ideology that he wants you know like to not just when things get back to normal they can't get back to the regular normal it's got to be this more you know inclusive normal and so he's taking it upon himself that he's going to try to remake New York City in his progressive image while the city's going through the worst year it's been through in my lifetime he's an odd duck I don't know how he got there I don't obviously I don't live there so I don't understand it but New York City tell me if this is true but I'm pretty sure Jamie that 1 % of the people in New York City pay 50 % of the taxes That sounds reasonable Yeah The fact that you could piss those people off And still be mayor is hilarious Yeah Like how does Well they still only get one vote each So you know That's kind of the way it works That's cute Well you just said it's cute Like it really works that way It's just one person one vote That's it No one has any additional influence at all Well, no, but I'm just saying that if you can win elections by playing to the other people, and also that, you know, some of those people kind of like the progressive rhetoric.

[153] Look at this.

[154] Look at this statistic.

[155] It's bananas.

[156] The highest earning 1 % of New York City residents generated 43 % of the city income taxes and 51 % of the New York state income taxes collected from individuals living in the city as of 2016.

[157] That's crazy.

[158] That's so much money.

[159] And then you hear all this stuff about paying your fair share.

[160] And it's like, so where exactly does that come in?

[161] Is that not enough?

[162] Well, it's like L .A., right?

[163] It's like a lot of people felt like even though the taxes were exorbitant, it was worth it because L .A. pre -COVID was pretty badass.

[164] You know, the comedy store for us, like obviously I'm comedy -centric, but the comedy store was open.

[165] The restaurants were amazing.

[166] There's so many things to do.

[167] You know, it's just, yeah, it's crowded.

[168] But the people are cool as fuck.

[169] it's like there's a lot of good things and then as soon as COVID hit everybody was like why are we here yeah like why am I paying so much and then they start talking about raising the taxes to 16 plus 16 plus percent state taxes that's more than I give my agent yeah right you imagine yeah it's crazy well and it's I think that also happened I think even more so in New York um because when the you know like New York it's the same thing it's like well it's expensive you pay a ton for your rent or to own or whatever but you know it's like the best museums the best nightlife the best food the best all these things but then all the sudden when the lockdowns hit now people are like locked down in a one bedroom apartment that they could get a house for yeah you know anywhere else in the country and a lot of people started to re -question why am i here and people started looking real pale like a lot of my friends that lived there they would go out very rarely and when you see them they'd be like real sunken in and like that is the worst look for your immune system Because I mean, you're not getting any vitamin D. Yeah.

[170] You're not out there at all.

[171] Well, that's the terrible irony of this whole thing, right?

[172] Is that it really ended up fucking over so many people's immune systems because the worst thing you could do, like, the best thing you could do for COVID is have your immune system in good shape.

[173] Yeah.

[174] And the worst thing you could do for your immune system is like stay inside all day, be in a constant state of anxiety.

[175] Don't get sun.

[176] Don't get fresh air.

[177] Eat like shit.

[178] Drink too much.

[179] You know, it's everything.

[180] And have no money.

[181] Yeah.

[182] because you're out of work.

[183] So incredible pressure on you.

[184] Yeah.

[185] And we'll, I mean, we may never know exactly what the total human cost of all of that was, but we'll get more of a sense of it over the next few years.

[186] Yeah, it's, it's sort of a disingenuous argument because they're comparing the total cost of the lockdown to the lost lives because of the pandemic.

[187] The problem is if there wasn't a lockdown, the loss of lives would be far greater.

[188] And so you're comparing it to a different thing, you know, because they're saying it shouldn't lock down.

[189] No one should have ever locked down.

[190] But if they didn't lock down, how many more people would have died?

[191] It's a real good question.

[192] No, it's very, it's a lot of people like to make this a simplistic calculation and it's an enormously complicated one because there's many different variables on both sides.

[193] So how many lives were saved by locking down?

[194] I think it's very debatable.

[195] I don't really know that it's a, but I don't claim to know.

[196] I think for sure it was some.

[197] Quite possibly, but then you'd also have to look just first apples to apples how many lives were cost from the lockdown.

[198] And I've read stuff, I was reading the other day, it was in England, but I'm sure the same is true here, that cancer screenings have like plummeted over the last year.

[199] So now there's going to be all types of preventable cancers that are going to, we won't know this for years if we can ever really trace it back, but a whole bunch of people will die from that.

[200] Depression has been way up.

[201] You know, suicides seem to be going up.

[202] There's all these different costs.

[203] and then of course what is the cost the human cost of destroying people's livelihoods and it's very very hard to weigh these things out and as you pointed out you'd have to weigh it versus the cost of lives without the lockdown not necessarily with but it's uh it's like with a lot of these other issues people like to make it a very simplistic well if you want to prevent the the virus you have to be for the solution right same with like climate change if you want to prevent climate change you got to before the Green New Deal.

[204] But the truth is that the real answer is like, well, what is this going to cost versus what is this going to cost and which one is worse?

[205] Yeah.

[206] Which is sucks because you have to think.

[207] Well, it's really important to have lively debate on these things.

[208] And one of the things that's going on now is people are trying to shut down debate.

[209] They want you to agree with their side.

[210] And this is something that social media is really reinforced, right?

[211] Like social media echo chambers.

[212] They want you to be on their side.

[213] And if you're not on their side, they just hit you with a bunch of bullshit about why you shouldn't why you're on the wrong side of history why you're a bad person and we were talking before the podcast about lists that people are making about people who supported Donald Trump or people who voted for Donald Trump or people who worked in the administration they're making these lists and like literally black lists like they have no irony about suggesting these black lists like you're you're going to Soviet Russia type shit like you this is right and and meanwhile Joe Biden is saying in his acceptance speech that you know well now's the time to bring everybody together you know like we all need to be one yada yada which is kind of a nice thought um but it's it's a little hard to take seriously when all of these people in your party and who who have been you know supporting you have been calling everybody else on the other side you know white supremacists Nazis for for the last four years to now that you're claiming you won say hey we all have to come together meanwhile other members of your party are saying we got to create lists of people so like this well aOC said it yeah yeah a pretty influential member very of the democrats which you know she's made herself like huge um she's gonna be president i don't know about that she could do it she's not very popular outside of her district i don't know about that i think with young people she represents like this uh this idea that someone like her young, hardworking, out there hustling, seriously progressive values that you can get pretty far and certainly in the public eye.

[214] Well, you certainly can do what she's doing.

[215] I mean, she's proved that.

[216] Like, you could go to a very blue district and primary, one of the most establishment Democrats and rise to national prominence.

[217] So she did that.

[218] I don't know.

[219] Right now in the country, I think AOC would have a really tough time getting elected on a national a level but maybe knows she's only 30 yeah it's insane yeah so she's got a lot of time boy when i was 30 i was so fucking stupid it's kind of amazing not that i'm not that stupid now i'm fairly stupid now but boy when i was 30 i was dumb yeah well she has a little bit of that too yeah well everybody does when they're 30 um you know bridget fetusie bridget fetus she wrote when she was 24 she's like oh my god i was basically a oc she's like i was such a lefty i was so delusional she goes and now I'm just so much more of a realist I'm um my worry about this Biden thing is that people voted for Biden because they hate Trump they didn't vote for Biden because he's a leader that they respect and they want and they admire and like he's going to lead us out of it like if Obama was calling for unity if he was the guy that was the president and he was calling for unity we've got to abandon all these ideas you know about division.

[220] We're all together.

[221] And he brought everybody together again.

[222] That might work.

[223] That might work.

[224] People might recognize that this really intelligent guy with this message of unity should be listened to.

[225] But that did happen, right?

[226] I mean, that happened in 2008.

[227] That's what Obama said when he won.

[228] And there was some decent amount of unity.

[229] I think he had an over 70 % approval rating when he first came in.

[230] I mean, it wasn't certainly anything like the country is now.

[231] But at the end of eight years of Obama, you had a Republican House, a Republican Senate, and Donald fucking Trump elected president.

[232] So we had that, but it didn't matter because even with such a charismatic guy like Obama calling for unity and saying a lot of the right things, at least at first, the policies and what was actually happening in the country were really fucking over huge numbers of people.

[233] And then also things that might have been somewhat out of Obama's control, but not completely out, is that the era of, it was like the Obama recovery, which was the most, like, cronious corrupt recovery ever, and the woke lecturing all rose up at the same time in the Obama years.

[234] Not all of it his fault, but some of it is.

[235] Do you see that Kamala Harris has her gender pronouns and her bio on Twitter now?

[236] Oh, yeah.

[237] I saw her say that in a CNN town hall when she was still running for a president.

[238] She came out and just no one even asked her she just went i'm kamala harris my genders are she her no what the fuck is this what is going on no do you see what yonis poppas wrote no he wrote uh uh my my gender is he ha he's he's like he's like i'm gonna start a trend here i recognize as he ha that's great i might take that on too i might i might do that he ha i like it it's a very strange strange thing there it is oh it's in his bio he -ha scientist and journalist he wrote that's fucking great it's hilarious I think though people like if you really did care about unity or whatever which I think is like something that maybe we should care about a little bit I mean not that we all have to like agree on everything I don't like this we don't have to all be one and all have the same you know attitude about everything, but when you see what's going on in the country over this year, the culture war shit is really scary.

[239] And like, people should be appropriately concerned about that.

[240] When you see what's going on in, like, uh, it was going on in Portland this year where you had like the fucking, you know, like, like, militias facing off against each other.

[241] You have like the Antifa versus the proud boys type shit.

[242] It's like we're, it's like a, they're playing pretend civil war.

[243] Yeah.

[244] You know, like it's kind of a game.

[245] They're larping.

[246] Right.

[247] But it's kind of not that far off.

[248] Right, because people got shot and killed.

[249] Yeah.

[250] And there are people on guns staring each other down.

[251] And for everybody, for every sane person, should be like, you do not want to see a civil war in this fucking country.

[252] I don't care how much fun you think this is right now in the moment.

[253] You don't want this to actually come to you holding your buddy's head while he bleeds out and screams for his mom.

[254] Like, you don't want that.

[255] So the idea of toning that down is a good idea.

[256] But I think the only way to do that is to understand why, why Donald Trump was president to begin with.

[257] And that, like, to me, the big story of all of this isn't that Joe Biden looks like he's going to be the president.

[258] That's kind of boring to me. It's like, yeah, Joe Biden got elected.

[259] He's been getting elected for fucking almost 50 years.

[260] Like, okay.

[261] The story is still that Donald Trump won the presidency and then it four years later got like millions more votes than he got the first time.

[262] And almost by the, by a hair, almost.

[263] want it again.

[264] I mean, that's like pretty fucking crazy.

[265] Did you see when he was in Pennsylvania and he drew 53 ,000 people to his rally in central Pennsylvania?

[266] Yeah.

[267] And they start off the first like four minutes of it are a chant, we love you.

[268] We love you.

[269] I mean like, what the fuck is that?

[270] What's going on here?

[271] And to just kind of dismiss it, like the corporate press attitude is like, well, it's racism.

[272] I think there's a little bit more failure of the education system.

[273] I mean, I always agree with failure of the education system.

[274] That is always an acceptable answer.

[275] But I think a big part of it.

[276] It's a rejection of looting.

[277] It's a rejection of the woke culture.

[278] It's a rejection of being called a racist and being called a fascist.

[279] That's a big part of it.

[280] It's a lot of the, what, this, this call for a radical shift in the identity of America.

[281] Well, I think that's a huge part of it.

[282] I also think that if you're, the, the.

[283] woke lecturing is almost like just the insult on top.

[284] Like if you're one of these people who lives in these towns, you've seen for decades now, like factories disappear, jobs get outsourced, the life expectancy has gone down, suicides have gone up.

[285] You know, you're one of these, some guy in central Pennsylvania or all over the country.

[286] And what, you know, you probably lost your job.

[287] Now you're working a shittier job.

[288] You never really came back from where you were after 2008.

[289] Maybe you got a son who's addicted to opioids.

[290] You got another son who, like, you know, has never been the same since he got back from one of these stupid wars.

[291] And then, after all that, the people who sent you there are now lecturing you about your white privilege.

[292] And then Donald Trump, all it really took was Donald Trump came in and said, you know what, I'm for you.

[293] I'm for the Mexicans or the Muslims.

[294] I'm not for this woke.

[295] I'm for you.

[296] And I want you to win.

[297] It's a simplistic message.

[298] Sure.

[299] And that's one of the things that he got across.

[300] He boiled down the whole thing to make America great again.

[301] That's a simplistic message.

[302] And to people that want to sort of like, they really, you know some country music songs?

[303] By the way, I'm a fan of country music.

[304] I like a lot of country music.

[305] But a lot of country music I don't like because I know what you're doing.

[306] You're just trying to box everything into this real simple.

[307] We're going to go down to the lake.

[308] We're going to have ourselves a drink.

[309] You know what I'm saying?

[310] We're going to take my truck.

[311] Everything's going to be great.

[312] You know, I miss my grandma.

[313] Like there's like this simplistic, really boiled down worldview.

[314] And it comforts people because people are scared of nuance and they're scared of, they're scared of the complexity of life.

[315] Yes.

[316] And Donald Trump was a master at that.

[317] Boiling things down to a real simple slogan, a real, you know, simple phrase.

[318] that people can wrap their heads around and get behind.

[319] But there's also that on the opposition to Trump's side where they try to boil things down to like, well, it was racism or it was white supremacy or something like that.

[320] And you're like, there's a lot more going on here.

[321] And I really think that if, like, these people on some level recognize that they've been screwed over by the establishment, forgotten by them, and that they are hated by the establishment which is true like they're right about that and so they wanted someone to fight for them and i think trump represents that to them i don't think he really was that from my perspective i think he's kind of a con artist but i do think that he tapped into something that's really powerful and that actually could get a lot worse if there's not some kind of like reconciling with it yeah how does it get better now that's the real question like because what Like, how does it get better with Biden and Kamala Harris?

[322] I mean, unless people start rejecting, unless people realize that things aren't going to change for the better with them in office.

[323] Well, I think that is, that realization is going to come.

[324] About a year and a half soon.

[325] Yeah, something like that, maybe.

[326] Maybe even sooner, because things go, you know, things move fast these days.

[327] But I do think that one of the things that's interesting with Biden and Kamala Harris is that a lot of these, like, super progressive people.

[328] are celebrating right now because Trump was out, you know, and so Trump was defeated.

[329] And they feel like they helped get Biden and Kamala Harrison, which is they were certainly a portion of helping them.

[330] And then Trump also is the one who is saying like, well, you know, Joe Biden, he's just a Trojan horse for AOC and Ilhan Omar.

[331] He's a Trojan horse for socialism, which is actually complete bullshit.

[332] Joe Biden, if anything, is a Trojan horse for Dick Cheney.

[333] Joe Biden is a Trojan horse for the establishment, warhawks, big banks, corporate elite, the tech giants all of those people who's filling his cabinet yeah it's going to be them he's filling his cabinet with republicans but those republicans but those republicans the ones who basically caused this whole mess to begin with one of the things that that trump said during his campaign he's saying talking about how much money that joe biden raised he said i could raise that money too but i'd have to make those deals and then i'd have to be compromised and when he was saying that i was like he's right he's not wrong about that one I'm not wrong about that, because if he decided to play ball with all those guys, like, they would have got behind him.

[334] The narrative would have switched.

[335] Yeah, that's for sure.

[336] And it's interesting, it's a really important question that people might want to, like, ponder.

[337] Even people who really hate Donald Trump, and you can really hate Donald Trump, that's fine.

[338] But you might wonder why it is that the establishment hates him so much.

[339] And I have, like, my guess is that it's not for the same reasons that your left -wing friend hates Donald Trump.

[340] Like, I don't buy for a fucking second that the CIA and the Republican establishment hated Donald Trump because he said mean things about Mexicans.

[341] I just don't buy that for a fucking second.

[342] These are people who will slaughter brown people in third world countries and lose no sleep over it.

[343] Like, I don't buy that's why they hated him.

[344] I think what they hated about Donald Trump was that he was a wild man who would blurt out things.

[345] And he'd blurt out a lot of crazy shit but then he'd also blurt out the truth and that was something that nobody you're not supposed to say that like you're when Donald Trump was running in 2016 you know he stood the Republican primary debate stage in South Carolina Republicans in South Carolina and looked at Jeb Bush in the eyes and said your brother lied us into war in Iraq and everyone was like what the fuck like you can't say that at the Republican South Carolina and And all the pundits, all the media class, they were like Trump's finish now.

[346] Because you can't.

[347] These are the people who fought the war in Iraq.

[348] And these are the most pro -military people around.

[349] And the next day at the primary, Donald Trump took 60 % at all the other Republicans.

[350] All 12 of them split the other 40%.

[351] Imagine if he didn't say a lot of the dumb shit that he said.

[352] Like the shit about McCain, like I like people, don't get caught.

[353] Imagine he didn't say that.

[354] Imagine he didn't say the dumbest shit.

[355] The dumbest shit that he said.

[356] Remember the goal.

[357] Star family, the family where the Khan family, I believe.

[358] Yes.

[359] Yeah.

[360] Where he, what did he criticized the family about some, forget what the exact.

[361] It was they spoke at the DNC and then he started trashing them.

[362] Yes.

[363] And their son died representing this country in war and everybody was like, well, you can't, that's it.

[364] He's done.

[365] Nope.

[366] Wasn't done.

[367] Imagine if he didn't do that.

[368] Well, by the way, when that happened, I remember just screaming about this on my podcast.

[369] I was just like the response was right there and it took him like four days but eventually he did get it right where he was just like yeah they died in a war that Hillary Clinton supported that's the response is this a new one Trump suggests gold star families may be to blame for his infection I think it was a second thing oh yeah no this is a different thing than what we were this is new the president who is counting on support from the military members and their families suggests that for a second time in a week that he that they might have spread the coronavirus at the White House.

[370] Oh, so this is different Gold Star families.

[371] Oh.

[372] That's the only president?

[373] But hold on a second.

[374] Is that a real direct quote?

[375] The problem is I don't...

[376] Yeah, you got to add you to see.

[377] This is New York Times.

[378] New York Times has gone full woke.

[379] They want to hug me, they want to kiss me, and they do, frankly, I'm not telling them the backup.

[380] I'm not doing it, but I did say it's obviously dangerous.

[381] Okay.

[382] That's not exactly blaming them.

[383] Yeah, that's not the same thing.

[384] He's just telling the truth.

[385] yeah see that's the other thing too this so this quote that they keep they keep reiterating this thing he had disparaged American troops who died in wars as losers and suckers is there they but they're saying this in quotes yes because it was quoted by some anonymous source who claims that he said that yeah but that is how do you do that multiple sources see but you can say that you can say multiple sources but unless the people go on record it seems like a very very very disingenuous thing to say.

[386] Yeah, well, did you see the one, the guy who was a...

[387] Right, isn't that?

[388] Am I wrong about that?

[389] Oh, no, you're absolutely right.

[390] Did you see the guy who revealed his identity, who was the guy who was behind that New York Times story?

[391] Yeah, anonymous.

[392] And they said high level, yeah, anonymous.

[393] They said high level executive.

[394] And then there were all these people in the media speculating and they were like, well, the New York Times wouldn't do this unless this was a really high level person.

[395] It was basically like wink, wink, this might be Pence.

[396] This might be, you know, Jared Kushner.

[397] This could be anybody saying this shit.

[398] And then it turns out, it's like, oh, this was a little.

[399] like some guy who was once a chief of staff at the Department of Homeland Security.

[400] Now, I'm not saying that's nothing, but it's not at all what you were kind of making people think.

[401] So I think it's a very shady way to do journalism.

[402] And that's one of the things that I think is like one of the bright spots of the Trump administration, one of the best things that he was able to draw out was how agenda driven the corporate press is.

[403] And you can agree with their agenda on hating Donald Trump.

[404] Maybe that's how you feel.

[405] But it's still.

[406] something to everybody knows now that they are agenda driven they're not here like we just give you the information they're activists yes that that's the the rise of the activist journalist is uh i understand from their perspective that they feel like they have this platform to do a good thing but i feel like you do the best thing by telling the cold hard facts and letting people who are actually advocates or are actually advocates uh activists rather do the the the activist work with those cold heart facts.

[407] I have no problem with that.

[408] If you want to be an activist, go be an activist.

[409] Yeah, but just be honest.

[410] As a journalist, though, I think it's very, it's real slippery when you do things like that, like those quotes, losers and suckers, unless you know who said it, unless they're willing to go on record and say, I heard him say it, then you don't necessarily have a story.

[411] It's not the same.

[412] And how did he say it?

[413] Yes.

[414] What was the, what was the, and particularly if he denies it.

[415] Yeah.

[416] So if, you know, like, if I were to just say, oh, Joe told me this thing last month.

[417] And you go, I never said that.

[418] Right.

[419] You can't just run with it and quote that you said it because you have no way of knowing.

[420] The grabbing by the pussy thing, that's, you heard it.

[421] Right.

[422] Oh, that was that's real.

[423] That was there.

[424] Right.

[425] So anything else, it's just so strange.

[426] I know, I understand their position that they're coming from this place where they feel like they can do a lot of good.

[427] They can change opinions.

[428] and they feel like the country's going in a bad direction.

[429] And they felt like with Donald Trump, this country is sliding into this horrible fascist state and they want to do everything they can to prevent it.

[430] And they have the green light from all the other people that are there.

[431] But like all this stuff, these lessons that have been learned in the past about why it's so important to be totally honest and unbiased in terms of disseminating information.

[432] Like you have to kind of do that.

[433] And then other people are supposed to take that information.

[434] that you've disseminated unbiased and have these perspectives and debate both sides.

[435] That's what's supposed to happen.

[436] The problem is when you get this distorted perception from the media that's very biased and that is not objective at all.

[437] It's like you're trying to lean towards a very particular conclusion that they think is right.

[438] They think it's the good thing.

[439] But when you do that, then you don't have a re...

[440] Who is the Walter Mundale?

[441] Or who's...

[442] Not Walter Mondale.

[443] Walter Cronkite.

[444] who is the unbiased journalist who's the one that we trust for information it used to be the new york times the new york times to be like brutally honest about basically everything and now you read something in the new york times like we did when oh it's the new york times though yeah like that's a weird shift that's happened in the last 10 years like less yeah but right well yeah i mean it's definitely been like exposed in the last 10 years but i think that truthfully i i think it's kind of a silver lining that at least people are starting to be aware of that and people are starting to go like okay, I know that these institutions are not to be trusted.

[445] Because truthfully speaking, they got, you know, it's like I was saying to you before we started where it's like for all the shit that people give Alex Jones, he got all of the biggest stories right over the last 20 years.

[446] And I'm not saying he didn't get anything wrong, but really, really big things like should we go to war in Iraq?

[447] Should we bail out bankers?

[448] Should all of this?

[449] He called these as lies and corruption right away.

[450] And the New York Times was selling all of these.

[451] I mean, they sold the war in Iraq.

[452] And so it's, to me, it's not the worst thing in the world if people at least recognize that these institutions are completely compromised.

[453] And I agree with you that there is a role for objective journalism, but I would at least accept if they were like, hey, listen, we think, like what you just said, we think we have this platform and we need to use this to get Donald Trump not elected.

[454] At least be honest with it.

[455] Don't bullshit me and tell me we're just doing objective news.

[456] and every single story is about how Donald Trump is, you know, needs to.

[457] They don't even address it.

[458] They don't say they're doing objective news anymore.

[459] They just do their thing.

[460] Well, they call other news fake news.

[461] So they'll say.

[462] The New York Times doesn't.

[463] Well, the New York Times may not, but I'm speaking in the corporate press in general.

[464] They'll say, like, well, there's fake news out on the internet.

[465] And even the New York Times has done stories about how social media companies need to do more to, you know, combat fake news on the internet and things like that.

[466] But they're talking about, like, super hardcore Q &On type shit, aren't they?

[467] Well, kind of.

[468] I mean, it starts with that, and then they'll use that as an example, but then usually they also go to other things.

[469] Like, look, this New York Post story about Hunter Biden's laptop was called fake news from the day it came out to the point that not only would all of the corporate press not report on it, but that social media companies were banning the link and Twitter froze the New York Post's Twitter account.

[470] One of the CNN journalists on Twitter called it Russian disinformation.

[471] Yes.

[472] A bunch of people called it Russian disinformation.

[473] I wonder if it was Russian disinformation, the photo of the girl giving him a foot job?

[474] Yes.

[475] Was that Russian?

[476] That was all.

[477] She was Russian, and the foot was Russian.

[478] It was a Russian foot job.

[479] What happened to that?

[480] I kind of lost track of what was happening with a laptop, but they'd like, have they shared information of it?

[481] Rudy Giuliani sold it on eBay.

[482] That was going on at the landscaping thing?

[483] Made a killing.

[484] I don't know.

[485] I don't know.

[486] I don't know.

[487] This is the thing that's going on.

[488] There's almost like too much information is coming at us.

[489] Well, look, it's basically been verified that this was Hunter Biden's laptop.

[490] I mean, within any reasonable standard for a journalist to verify something, I mean, number one, the Bidens didn't deny it.

[491] Like, nobody actually came out and denied that this was.

[492] They had his signature at the repair shop, which they matched up to his signature.

[493] They've had other people on the email chains confirm that these were emails between them and Hunter Biden.

[494] So it's been pretty reasonably kind of verified that this was.

[495] Hunter Biden.

[496] Now, I don't know about the crazier accusations that were made there.

[497] I mean, Rudy Giuliani said that there were pictures of underage girls and stuff like that.

[498] I don't know if that's true or not.

[499] But Rudy Giuliani did turn it over to the Delaware police.

[500] That is true because the Delaware, a spokesman for the attorney general, said that they received the laptop and that they sent it to the FBI.

[501] Now, I don't know why they would, he would turn this over, claiming this stuff was on there, and then they would send this to the FBI if there wasn't something.

[502] But I don't know.

[503] I don't know.

[504] But what?

[505] you do know, right, is that this was a story where they had these emails about Hunter Biden, who is very clearly a swamp creature, who was selling his father's name to rake in money from foreign companies.

[506] Now, truth be told, that's a kind of run -of -the -mill scandal as far as politics go.

[507] It's normal.

[508] Every senator's kid, family, wife, they all do stuff like this all the time.

[509] It's a corrupt swamp, you know?

[510] But it's a story, nonetheless.

[511] It may not be the, but to just make the conscious decision.

[512] that we are a few weeks out from a presidential election.

[513] This can harm Biden, and therefore, we're not mentioning it.

[514] We're not covering it.

[515] We're not trying to debunk this to a bunch of people.

[516] We are trying to make sure people never get their eyes on this.

[517] Well, I think they felt the heat.

[518] They felt the heat from 2016 from the Hillary Clinton email debate, you know, whether or not she should have deleted those emails and the fact that Comey then opens up the investigation again in the middle of the campaign, and that was basically what a lot Even though she won the popular vote, a lot of people felt like that was a bad move.

[519] And so this year, they said, we're going to do everything we can to get rid of Donald Trump.

[520] Again, they become activists instead of just journalists.

[521] Yeah.

[522] It's tricky.

[523] Well, that's 100 % what happened.

[524] I mean, they felt in a way that they were responsible for Donald Trump winning.

[525] X -Hunter Biden Associates records don't show proof of Biden business relationship amid unanswered questions.

[526] It's on Fox News.

[527] Well, Fox News has taken a turn, ladies and gentlemen.

[528] They seem to have made a conscious internal decision to not favor Donald Trump anymore.

[529] I don't think Fox News was ever that behind Donald Trump.

[530] I mean, there's a few people at Fox News who are hardcore behind Donald Trump.

[531] But as an organization, I mean, remember, they were very hostile to him in the Republican primary.

[532] He wasn't the Fox News guy.

[533] Jeb Bush was the Fox News guy.

[534] And he, I think a lot of people were very.

[535] very happy, are very happy to get rid of him.

[536] Let me see that article again.

[537] This is interesting.

[538] I wonder what that means.

[539] Ex -Hunter -Biden Associates Records don't show, but what does that mean?

[540] So they don't, he's just, but listen to this.

[541] X. Hunter Biden's Associates Records don't show proof of Biden business relationship amid unanswered questions.

[542] That doesn't mean much.

[543] No, well, what he claimed was that, and they're saying Joe Biden, that he couldn't prove Joe Biden was, it's a very confusing title.

[544] he claimed that he had met with Joe Biden and Joe Biden was aware of all the dealings that Hunter was doing.

[545] Here it is.

[546] Fox News has revealed emails from look at that name, Bobbolinsky related to the venture and they don't show that the elder Biden had business dealings.

[547] Yeah, but see, I could, that's weird.

[548] Like, you know, we can say that Jamie is my business associate right.

[549] And if I'm involved in some shady shit and Jamie doesn't know about and Jamie and I are emailing back and forth and they get into Jamie's emails and they say ex -jo Rogan's business associate doesn't show any association making the claim is that this is the evidence is the emails though they're like hey we found some emails and the emails say this and now they're sent this court in the Fox News are like that does that's not what they say right but the emails to who is it to that guy because if it's not to that guy then this is not relative and then they're playing games with words like I would have to read what exactly they're saying what exactly he's saying part of the problem too I've looked a couple times I've that's what I'm sort of just looking again where normally this shit gets leaked you know like when all the celebrities got their fucking eye clouds leaked all those pictures hit the internet instantly and you could find them all over the place these emails are have like barely been seen by I feel like anybody well these emails were I believe he turned these over to the FBI so I don't know you know where they would leak from not to say that they couldn't leak but I think the the point of this article is that what he claimed, what this Babelinski guy claimed was that Joe Biden himself was very involved in all the business deals that Hunter and him were doing and that his emails couldn't prove that.

[550] Because they, you know, the thing was they said they had these references to like the big guy and stuff like that, but that they couldn't prove that that Joe Biden knew about this.

[551] But he's claiming, whether this is true or not, he's claiming that he's met Joe Biden several times and they've talked about it.

[552] And Joe Biden was well aware of what Hunter Biden was doing and where he was making his money from.

[553] Again, I think it's kind of run of the mill political scandal, that aspect of it.

[554] The bigger thing is like that this goes on all over the place.

[555] Right.

[556] I mean, all over the fucking place.

[557] Like the conflicts of interest, the corruption, where Obama, you know, what spoke after he's president, we get like $400 ,000 or something like that for a speech in front of bankers.

[558] And he was the guy who like presided over the bank bailout.

[559] And then you get out and it's like, oh, here's four.

[560] The bankers really just wanted to hear Barack Obama speak I mean he's a good speaker but come on man like what's going on Hillary got a lot of those too oh yeah so tons of them and that's where they make the bulk of their money right when they get out of the office then they do these speeches yeah which is kind of hilarious Hillary Clinton and bill Clinton I believe the ballpark numbers they left the white house they were like net worth was around four million dollars and then it was like well over a hundred million dollars by 2016 so they made a lot of money after we just made today U .S. planned sale of F -35 fighter jets, the UAE, and $23 billion arms deal.

[561] Trump administration.

[562] Yep.

[563] I was reading today.

[564] They're saying he's making a bunch of deals now on his way out.

[565] Oh, sure.

[566] They had a plan to sell 50 advanced F -35 fighters to the United Arab Emirates as a part of a broader arms deal worth more than $23 billion.

[567] That's the weird thing about someone on the way out.

[568] They can do so much.

[569] Well, I don't know that he's on the way out.

[570] I mean, he's...

[571] You don't think he's on the way out?

[572] Well, yeah, he's almost certainly on the way out, but he's going to fight it.

[573] Yeah, but do you know how insanely difficult it is to prove, first of all, to prove that there's voter fraud, and then to prove there's enough voter fraud where they could overturn it?

[574] It's incredibly difficult, and it's not just that he would have to do that.

[575] He'd have to do that in a few different states.

[576] And so it's an incredibly difficult task, but it's pretty interesting.

[577] This is unlike anything I've ever seen before, where you have one president just saying, like, no, this was bullshit and I'm going to fight it legally.

[578] And another thing that I thought was really weird from the press is that they so I saw it twice now was on MSNBC and CNN where he was giving a press conference telling how the votes were stolen from him and the system was unfair and they cut away.

[579] They say we will not show this because he's lying and then just the other day on Fox News Neil Cavuto cut away from Trump's press secretary saying there was voter fraud And he goes, well, you know, we can't verify that so we can't air this on our show.

[580] And it's like, look, man, whatever you want to say, this is a story.

[581] Right.

[582] The fact that the president is claiming voter fraud is a story.

[583] So air this and then debunk it afterward.

[584] But what is this thing where you go, no, we won't show people?

[585] Right.

[586] You can't see this story because the lies could poison you or something.

[587] What if it's proven to be true?

[588] What if there is voter fraud?

[589] Well, there is.

[590] It's a question of how widespread it is because there's always voter fraud, which is another secret that they don't fucking.

[591] like to tell but there's always fucking some degree of voter fraud.

[592] Do you find it odd that everybody insists that it's impossible to vote like safely and accurately online?

[593] Uh yes I find that odd.

[594] I also find it really really odd that we um overhauled the way we do voting in this country and that now it's almost an entirely different process where both candidates are getting way more votes than they would normally get and it's just very weird there were a lot of things that were weird about this election like the actual logistics of it doesn't it seem like if we can bank online we should be able to vote online it doesn't it seem like if you could use like apple pay or samsung pay or something like that and go buy something you know you use your fingerprint yeah and it registers your fingerprint and then you could you could buy a house i mean if you i mean how much can you spend on apple pay Does it have a limit?

[595] It's not about like that.

[596] It's the ease for everyone.

[597] Not everybody has that access.

[598] They need to get the shit together.

[599] Everyone.

[600] Get it together.

[601] Like they had the day of the elections.

[602] They were supposed to, where I'm from in Columbus, Franklin County, they were supposed to have like registration via iPads or something.

[603] And that morning they were not confident that everything got downloaded.

[604] So they just scrapped the whole thing, went back to paper.

[605] It was like that day.

[606] Isn't that also a problem with these weird deadlines?

[607] Like we have to choose a leader in the free world in 20 hours.

[608] hours ready go yeah like what is this a big important thing like do we really want to boil this down at 20 hours what the whole process is fucking retarded like the whole thing about it the whole thing that it's like so we the system is that we have to basically like 10 ,000 votes in wisconsin is going to determine which half of the country is furious and which half is like elated because they get to rule over the other half now and then hopefully in four years they can be happy and you're miserable because they get to rule over you now.

[609] It's so bizarre.

[610] Democracy in general is a very bizarre process.

[611] To have it in a country this big with this powerful of a government, it makes it insane.

[612] Like we're going to determine the course of history based off what a few votes in swing states determine.

[613] There's got to be a better way.

[614] I was reading this thing about Plato, excuse me, about Socrates.

[615] Socrates was he was talking about how he didn't love.

[616] like the idea of democracy because Socrates felt like in order to make really important choices you should almost have to prove your understanding of these issues and that this if it wasn't the case I'm pretty sure it was Socrates look look that up just in case thank you because he he saw the like what we basically have like there's a lot of people that were on the ballot in California I was like what is this guy doing what does he want I didn't know much about them yeah and I was like hmm does that sound right I mean I'm looking at this thing for an hour right I've got an hour to go and then I can Google some of these these bills right and and that's just me how many people didn't I mean I gave a very cursory review of these ideas how many people didn't at all this went blue all across the board or red all across the board oh yeah the majority I'd say yeah just guessing but I'd say the majority of people just vote their team and just don't even really look into it that much.

[617] But democracy was never, democracy was kind of considered like a joke before World War I. The idea of, I mean, there weren't too many like functioning democracies.

[618] And that, I think that all changed with like Woodrow Wilson.

[619] We're going to make the world safe for democracy.

[620] We're going to overthrow all of these monarchs in Europe, which Europe was mostly monarchs at the time.

[621] And they, and that ended.

[622] And then after that you had the rise of like Lenin and Hitler and later Stalin and you know things that were much worse than the monarchy is that they replaced.

[623] But just in pure philosophy like the idea that if 51 % of people vote for something or somebody that then it's completely morally legitimate for them to rule over the other 49 % is completely absurd.

[624] But what's the better?

[625] What's the alternative?

[626] Well, I mean, look, I think the alternative to all of this is liberty, which is the best answer, which is just basically that whether it's a democratic process or not, that the government should be so much more reduced, the power should be so much more reduced than what it is now, that it's not that consequential who gets in there because they're not wielding that much power.

[627] And as long as you have, I mean, look, this is the major source of the culture war to begin with, even before the social media stuff and before the woke lecturing.

[628] The major source is that the government is so powerful that you have to fight for your side to be in control of it.

[629] Otherwise, you're ruled over by the side who you hate.

[630] And this is in less, the only way forward that would solve this problem, that would diffuse the culture war, is accepting some type of libertarianism.

[631] And what I just mean by that is just some, whatever exactly it is, something that says, okay, listen, you have these cultural views in port.

[632] Portland and you have these cultural views in Alabama, you're not going to remake each other.

[633] You guys can live the way you want to live and you guys can live the way you want to live and you can peacefully coexist.

[634] The idea that you have to have this $5 ,6 trillion a year beast that's controlled by one side or another that hate each other is just going to keep this thing going and getting hotter and hotter.

[635] Yeah.

[636] And then you have these ideological positions that these huge corporations attach themselves.

[637] to siphon money off of right you know uh there's uh evan hafer he's uh owner of uh black rifle coffee and he was on and he was uh he's a veteran and uh it now runs this huge coffee business and was discussing what he thinks is really going on with afghanistan he's like there's no reason for us to be over there he goes i think they're over there to to suck money out of taxpayers and that's what they're doing and when uh Trump was interviewing or rather Steve Hilton was interviewing Trump I've known Steve Hilton for a long time that's the the next revolution yeah yeah yeah I've met yeah he's good dude he's a very nice guy I was friends with him long before he was ever at Fox News I met him in Maui oh yeah on the beach his kids are playing with my kids when they were real little and we became friends and we've gone on vacations together like I know him very well by the way I know the exact interview that you're talking about I think it was one of the craziest things I've ever seen when he's talking about the military industrial complex we go out we get a bit of people they want to go to war military industrial complex it's real eyes and how are warned us about it this is the thing by the way that moment this is why the establishment hates Donald Trump so much because he is uncontrollable and he might just blurt out sitting down outside the white house with Steve hilton that oh you know what there's a whole bunch of people around me who want to go to war because it makes them billions of dollars.

[638] And this is like, and this is just the president, the commander in chief saying it.

[639] Now, on the other side, Trump didn't end any of these wars.

[640] He kept talking about doing it and then he'd always back out at the last minute.

[641] Why do you think that is?

[642] Well, you know, I don't know exactly, but I know that whenever he would make a move to try to end one of these wars, the press would go nuts circling him.

[643] I mean, they always were, but they dial it up to like 11.

[644] And then he'd have people within his administration undermining him at every turn, at every turn.

[645] I remember back I was a contributor on a SE Cup show.

[646] She's got a show on CNN.

[647] I was a contributor there for like a year.

[648] And there was one time where it was a Donald Trump came out and said that we're getting out of Syria.

[649] And he goes, look, our only goal in Syria is to defeat ISIS.

[650] That's all we care about.

[651] And they're almost defeated.

[652] As soon as they're defeated, we're getting.

[653] out completely out of Syria.

[654] And then about a week later, McMasters put out this statement where he was saying, these are our goals in Syria.

[655] And one of them was regime change to overthrow Bashar al -Assad.

[656] And then he gets fired like a week after that.

[657] And their take at CNN was kind of like, well, isn't this great that at least one of the adults in the room is like, no, no, no, Donald Trump, this is what we're doing in Syria.

[658] We're having another regime change.

[659] And I was like, losing my shit like wait hold on however you feel about this he's the commander in chief the secretary of state doesn't get to decide no we're fighting a war there it is oh this is the steve hilton one yeah he was particularly orange that day they want to keep they you have people here in washington they never want to leave i say you know what i'll do i'll leave a couple of hundred soldiers behind but if it was up to them they'd bring thousands of soldiers in someday people will explain it.

[660] But you do have, you do have a group, and they call it the military industrial complex.

[661] They never want to leave.

[662] They always want to fight.

[663] No, I don't want to fight.

[664] But you do have situations like Iran.

[665] You can't let them have nuclear weapons.

[666] You just can't let that happen.

[667] A friend of mine today was talking about the art of the deal.

[668] I've never read the art of the deal.

[669] He was in rehab.

[670] When he was in rehab, he had a lot of time, and he read the art of the deal.

[671] And he's like, it's remarkably progressive, even by today's standards.

[672] He's like he wrote this in like the 80s well Donald Trump was never that I mean he's got flaws oh no question but the problem is they they overwhelm anything good about them where like you get these flaws like the bragging and the craziness and the not telling the truth about things and the the the tricky thing with Trump is that if it wasn't for these character flaws or these qualities that are partly you know have these character flaws he'd never be the president.

[673] But then once he becomes president, you're like, man, I wish you could just plug up these couple holes and keep saying shit like that.

[674] Because that would be really awesome.

[675] Like, we really do need a guy who's taking on the military industrial complex and pushing to end these wars and exposing a lot of the corruption.

[676] But also the other problem is that this was never really what animated Trump.

[677] The problem is that with Donald Trump, I think that a lot of the Trump haters project this thing onto Donald Trump.

[678] Like he's literally Hitler.

[679] A lot of the Trump lovers project this thing onto him like he's our savior.

[680] But the reality is it's just what you see.

[681] He's just that.

[682] He's the guy who he's as shallow a thinker as he seems.

[683] He's instinctually brilliant.

[684] But in terms of intellectually, he really just cares about being the best.

[685] I won.

[686] I was terrific.

[687] Everybody knows it.

[688] And so I think that's served him well his whole life.

[689] Sure has.

[690] The idea that all of a sudden he becomes president, he's going to abandon that and become presidential.

[691] No, it's not going to happen.

[692] But anyone who was a decent gentleman or, like, didn't have those qualities, would never have gotten to where he was.

[693] He got to where he was because he was willing to say, like, he got to where he was in large part because he had a quality that Bernie Sanders didn't have about him.

[694] Bernie Sanders is entirely too nice of a guy to lead a revolution.

[695] He would always say, we're leading a revolution.

[696] And then you'd have Joe Biden, who's the epitome of the system that you want to revolt against.

[697] And he'd go, look, Joe's a very decent guy.

[698] He's my friend.

[699] I'm not going to say anything bad about him.

[700] And you're like, well, you're probably not going to lead a fucking revolution if you're not willing to lob some insults.

[701] Like, I'm not saying you have to lob bullets.

[702] But like, you got to at least.

[703] Do you have to at least attack what he stands for?

[704] I'm not saying you have to call him a fat loser.

[705] I'm saying you have to go like, you have to go, listen, you are the epitome of Washington corruption.

[706] You've enriched your own family while you're getting other people killed while you're selling out the country.

[707] Yes, I think you have to.

[708] go for the jugular if you're actually going to beat this system.

[709] Isn't it strange, though, that you have to do that?

[710] You can't just espouse the merits of your own ideas.

[711] You have to attack.

[712] But, you know, if you're a real human being, right?

[713] Like, let's say what Donald Trump was just saying.

[714] And by the way, Bernie Sanders pretty much agrees with him on that.

[715] He's talked about how war is big business and how they, you know, we were lied into the war in Iraq and he voted Bernie Sanders, to his credit, he was one of the very few Democrats in the Senate who voted against the war in Iraq at the time.

[716] Very few Democrats in the Senate actually stood their ground and good for him for doing that.

[717] But you're talking about people lying to get real human being slaughtered that to make people money.

[718] I mean, if you talk about that and you don't have some type of outrage about it, that just doesn't seem to make sense to me. Like that's not how a real human being should feel.

[719] No, I totally understand, but I wonder if, like, in the middle of that, when you're insulting people, you're perpetuating, you're keeping going this sort of system that's been in place for so long, where you run, you talk about your merits, you shit on the flaws of your opponent.

[720] He does the same to you.

[721] Whoever lands the most blows wins.

[722] I mean, this is highlighted by the way Kamala Harris has sort of talked about her debate with, uh, with Biden right when she was on Colbert she's like it was a debate it was a debate but it's like that's the only way to do it is the only way to do it to shit on the other person I think that you have to like I think there's nothing wrong with really running on your ideas and I think that part Bernie Sanders dead you know and I don't like a lot of Bernie Sanders ideas I think he's got some that are really good which ones do you like well okay what I love about Bernie Sanders is that he voted against the war in Iraq as I just said, he was great in the Senate about the war in Yemen and trying to bring that to an end, which is just this god -awful nightmare that's still going on, that Obama started and Trump continued.

[723] I mean, what's happening in Yemen is like one of the biggest tragedies in my lifetime.

[724] So Yemen is, I mean, Yemen is the poorest country in the Middle East, which is saying something.

[725] They were already the poorest country in the Middle East before any of this happened.

[726] and the Saudis basically went to war with the Houthis in Yemen, and America backed the Saudis under Barack Obama.

[727] Obama administration said to placate the Saudis.

[728] Basically, the Saudis were pissed off about a lot of things, and they're a big business partner with us, and so they were pissed off about the war in Iraq.

[729] The Saudis didn't want the war in Iraq.

[730] They kind of foresaw what would happen, that it would give around control of the region, and it would be a nightmare.

[731] But the Cheneites really wanted the war in Iraq, Israel really wanted the war in Iraq, and the neocons won, and they got the war.

[732] And so they were already pissed off about that.

[733] And then they were really pissed off that Obama made the Iran deal with Iran.

[734] And so to placate, which I believe was the direct quote, to placate the Saudis, Obama decided to back them in this war against Yemen.

[735] And they put a full blockade around the country, which was already the poorest country in the Middle East.

[736] And this led to just, I mean, the UN said it was the worst humanitarian crisis in the world.

[737] This was before COVID, but I think it's still probably up there.

[738] There were well over a million cases of cholera, which is basically, I mean, curable with, I think, liquids.

[739] Like, I think Gatorade could solve cholera.

[740] I don't know.

[741] You might need antibiotics or something like that.

[742] But it was children and old people just dying in massive numbers.

[743] I still don't think they know the exact numbers.

[744] It's going to be somewhere on the scale of what the.

[745] war in Iraq was hundreds of thousands of people dead.

[746] And Bernie Sanders really led the effort to try to end it in the Senate.

[747] And he did a great job on that, like, phenomenal.

[748] He also has a great, he had a great bill proposed to decriminalize marijuana on a federal level, which I think would be phenomenal.

[749] And so there were several things, like those would probably be the ones I'd pick that I thought were really great about Bernie Sanders.

[750] So I think running on issue, probably one of my big criticisms of him is that he doesn't he doesn't really lead with those issues like he didn't those aren't the things he talked about a lot on the campaign trail but he was excellent on all of those um so i think you could run he could run on his principles you know but i think you have to at some point have a little bit of a killer instinct to to become the alpha monkey to become the leader of this country and i thought that bernie sanders could have won the whole election with the tone that he started in the primary and he didn't and i think that bernie Sanders.

[751] Like, look, the corporate press completely came down to try to ruin it for him.

[752] Who knows what the DNC did this time?

[753] I mean, it was exposed in 2016.

[754] Who knows what they were doing behind the scenes.

[755] Well, we know what they were doing.

[756] We know that that was the reason why Klobuchar and Buttigieg dropped out.

[757] Well, that we know.

[758] We know that Warren stayed into siphon votes off of Bernie.

[759] No question.

[760] They gave their delegates over to Biden.

[761] No question.

[762] We know that much.

[763] We know that right.

[764] Now, we don't know exactly who made the phone calls.

[765] I think there was reporting that Barack Obama had called a couple of them.

[766] That sounds good.

[767] That's, yeah.

[768] sure does.

[769] But so that, but you're right.

[770] So all the competition with Biden drops out right before Super Tuesday.

[771] Bernie Sanders competition, Elizabeth Warren, stays in until the bitter end.

[772] I think they felt like with Bernie, even though there's talk that they couldn't control him, right?

[773] There's also talk that he couldn't win because there are certain key states that he's never going to win.

[774] Because even though that message resonated with a lot of people, including me, what resonated with me is, first of all, absolving people of student debt.

[775] I know a lot of people that are wrapped up in student debt, and I think it's one of the best examples of, first of all, you have essentially children, right?

[776] You have someone who's 17, 18 years old, they're going into school, and they're taking on enormous debt.

[777] And they don't, I think you can make the real argument that they don't have the intellectual capacity to understand the ramifications of this.

[778] Maybe some do, maybe some don't.

[779] But when you're talking about people that are in debt hundreds of thousands of dollars by the time they get out of school and then they get out of school and they get a job that pays $40 grand a year, do the math.

[780] How long before you catch up?

[781] You never catch up.

[782] There's people to this day that are getting Social Security that are getting their Social Security docked because they owe money for student loans.

[783] I mean, you're at the end of the fucking game.

[784] Are people that are old enough for Social Security and they had student loan debts like that?

[785] Wow.

[786] Oh, yeah.

[787] That's going on right now.

[788] Make sure that's true, Jamie.

[789] Sounds really good when I'm saying.

[790] saying pretty sure it's true well that is and and they are victims of a corrupt scheme yes it's a well it's a bad system and i think if we have all this money to go to afghanistan and and put on these endless wars the idea that we don't have enough money to provide a reasonably priced education i'm not saying it should be free maybe it should cost a little bit because i think people work harder when they have to work for something but the idea that you should be hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt by the time you get out.

[791] And in the reality of the economy is that even before COVID, if you got out the odds of you getting a job that's like going to be able to even put a dent in that debt in your chosen field, they're not that good.

[792] Oh yeah.

[793] Oh, no question about all of that.

[794] Here it is.

[795] 19 % of social security payments can be garnished to repay a student loan debt.

[796] Your monthly benefit cannot sink below seven.

[797] Well, okay.

[798] Good luck living on 750 bucks And this is also for people who are, what, like, 35 now when they retire?

[799] Like, what's that going to be with?

[800] So, I mean, that's not that long ago, man. If you think about someone who's 65, right?

[801] So once, no, look at this.

[802] Are student loans forgiven after 65?

[803] There are no student loan forgiveness program specifically for seating your citizens.

[804] Elderly student loan borrowers are eligible for the same loan forgiveness programs as other borrowers.

[805] Well, that's crazy.

[806] It's crazy.

[807] It's crazy if you're that old and you're on a fixed income and you really can.

[808] can't physically work anymore and we don't if we're a community right and this is one of the things I think about the United States the idea of a country we're supposed to be a community even though we're broken off in these countries and they're broken off these cities and we're broken off by ideologies and we're separated by all these different lines in the sands that we draw at the end of the day we're all contributing to this pool we're putting our tax dollars in and we're deciding what's important and what's not for me student loan forgiveness was a big thing because it was like we've got to stop this cycle of fucking people over economically when they're 18 years old.

[809] It doesn't make any sense.

[810] Fair enough.

[811] But I just think that if, like, I agree with the spirit of everything you're saying.

[812] And I think when I said it's a corrupt system, it's just that the fact that you have all of these parties involved where you have like the government who's guaranteeing all of these student loans.

[813] And then you have for a while, I think now it's all done straight from the federal government, for a while you have these financial companies that are giving out the loans and then taking in the interest and profiting off of them.

[814] And then you have these universities who are able to raise their, their, tuition over and over and there's always a market for it because the loans are guaranteed by the government so they're just so now you have all of these people just raking in money and the politicians get to brag about all these kids going to college and then who's fucked is the 17 18 year olds who was told their whole life that oh just just take the loan out whatever you got to do because this will lead you to a better life and then the jobs aren't there for them so those but the problem if you want to break this cycle the problem is the government guaranteeing the loans to begin with.

[815] Right.

[816] Because this is what a let, yeah, it's subsidized.

[817] This is why college inflates faster than almost any other price in the market.

[818] And so I would just think even if we are going to forgive the loans that are out there now, what you need to do is stop the loans, cut them off and let the prices of college come back to something that's more reasonable like they were in like our parents generation where you could work a summer job and pay off your college.

[819] And then you've also got a very interesting situation in college where most professors are left cleaning.

[820] And most of the shit your learning is useless.

[821] I mean, not all of it, but a whole lot of it.

[822] Well, I don't know if that's necessarily the case, but some of it's going to be useless, but let's not concentrate on that because you're supposed to be expanding your horizons and there's social growth being outside of your family for the first time.

[823] There's all sorts But you can do that in lots of ways than spending a hundred grand to go get drunk at a frat party.

[824] You can, but how many of those ways ensure intellectual competition?

[825] How many of those ways ensure that you're going to get together with other students and you're going to debate things, you're going to discuss issues, you're going to learn things, you're going to talk amongst yourselves, you're going to also all be forced to take these rigorous courses that demand a lot of you intellectually.

[826] I like that in theory.

[827] I just don't know how much that's happening in universities, but I get your point.

[828] But what's agree, it's the only place where it's happening for 18 -year -olds.

[829] Trust me, because I barely spend any time in college.

[830] my time in college was three years at UMass Boston and barely paying attention, right?

[831] So these people that are teaching these kids overwhelmingly lean left.

[832] Now, I'm not saying they shouldn't lean left.

[833] This is how you feel.

[834] You should express yourself.

[835] But it is really odd in a country that thrives on this concept of diversity, that there's almost no diversity in the intellectual ideologies that these professors.

[836] have?

[837] Like, what are the numbers of professors in this country?

[838] What percentage of professors identify as Marxists?

[839] Let's take a guess.

[840] I would say, I'm going to say it's in the 20s.

[841] Yeah, I'd probably guess something like that.

[842] But then there's also identifying as Marxist and then there's like being influenced by, say, like, postmodernism or something like that.

[843] But we're going as far as we can.

[844] That's as far left as we can get.

[845] Right?

[846] Yeah, it might be under 20%.

[847] I'm not sure.

[848] But it's a, we can agree that it's a really far left stands to say you're Marxist.

[849] Yeah, that's pretty far.

[850] Pretty far left.

[851] So, but I'm saying, like, what percentage identifies the hardest of hard lefts?

[852] Very close.

[853] What is it?

[854] Uh, there's an article that says about 18 % of social scientists in the U .S. self -identify as Marxists.

[855] Oh, but that's social scientists.

[856] I know.

[857] I typed in professors.

[858] It says professors in the top.

[859] Yeah, because if you're talking about professors and like other, you know, harder sciences.

[860] Yeah.

[861] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[862] 18 % of social scientists.

[863] Okay.

[864] But that's still an interesting, that's a lot.

[865] number and that's a large number of people that are teaching like you know critical race theory and gender theory and there's a lot of right so this is where all the woke shit comes from right and this is really destructive well this is where your kids go only about 5 % who identify as conservative isn't that seems crazy you've got 18 % Marxist 5 % conservative and uh AEI panel discussion was that on that's what I was going to see what that is I was going to see like titled the closed -minded campus the stifling of ideas in american universities but it's one of those things where it's like what is most appealing to young kids compassion what happens to people when they get older realism what happens to people when they get older and then they're worried about their physical health and then conservatism right i mean it's like that's one of the reasons why conservatism and even in you know libertarianism when you think about it when you you do this sort of like real narrow -minded view of what that means to people for a lot of people it means a lack of compassion it means this like blind faith in capitalism and competition and that's one of the things that freaks out young people because young people as they enter into the world and they start learning things and they leave their parents a lot of times first of all they feel suppressed by their parents they feel like the parents who probably work really hard in order to get them to go to school you know, to be able to afford their school will probably work really hard in order just to keep the family together just in terms of the amount of money you have to have to have a house and two cars and live in American pay your taxes and send your kids to college.

[866] Like, God damn, you got to work.

[867] Yeah.

[868] You fucking have to work.

[869] And so if you're a kid and you're just living off your parents and then you're hearing all this like hardcore shit, like, you know, your parents want, they want you to be successful.

[870] and you're like, Jesus Christ, leave me alone.

[871] Then you get to school and you drop acid, and you learn about Marxism, and you learn about socialism, and you're like, we can all just get together.

[872] We can just pool all our money together, and we're going to be fine.

[873] And, you know, there was a discussion.

[874] Who was it that was, was it on this show?

[875] I think it was.

[876] I was talking to somebody, and they were talking about the early days of the United States.

[877] And in the early days of the United States with wheat production, the initial ideas were that they were going to pool all the, all the food together.

[878] I think this was actually pre -United States.

[879] I think this was in the colonies.

[880] I think you're right.

[881] I think you're right.

[882] And then they realized really, really quickly that this didn't work.

[883] And they go, okay, okay, scrap that.

[884] What you grow, you eat.

[885] And they're like, oh, shit, I got to go to work.

[886] And then people started busting their ass.

[887] There's a diffusion of responsibility that comes from this idea that you are an individual and that the government should provide for you.

[888] You know, like there's so many people in this country and there's so much money.

[889] Look at all the trillions they spend on military.

[890] Look at all the trillions they spend on infrastructure.

[891] Look at all the trillions they give to the fossil fuel industry and all this.

[892] They start running all these numbers.

[893] And they go, why can't the government take care of everybody?

[894] Yeah.

[895] You know what I'm saying?

[896] Well, and that is one of the, like, my position is basically that the government shouldn't do any of this shit and we don't have the money for any of it and we shouldn't rob it from people.

[897] But it is a strong argument from like an AOC type where they'll be like, oh, well, we don't have this money.

[898] and she can go, yeah, but every time you right -wingers want a war, you always find the money for it.

[899] This is where I was going.

[900] So you have young people who do have these idealistic perspectives like AOC, and then they go through the university system, and they're taught this by people who don't enter the real world, right?

[901] These people, they stay in academia.

[902] They learn, they grow, they become professors, they get tenure, they're there.

[903] And this is their world.

[904] And in their world, they get to shape young minds.

[905] and they shape young minds who are already open to these ideas of compassion and of being different than their fucking parents who are so hardcore but your parents had to feed you you fucks you parents are out there grinding a little bit of gratitude it's fucking hard it's hard to get by yeah you know it's hard no so i get i completely get what you're saying um but the other thing about you know which i guess just concerns me a little bit about uh um abolishing student debt or forgiving student debt is that, well, number one, the first thing I said is that it's like, well, okay, if we don't get the system fixed, then we're going to forgive this debt and then keep perpetuating more people in debt.

[906] So something still needs to be done there.

[907] But the problem is also that like, you know, when you say forgive debt or you have the taxpayer pick any of this stuff up, it's just coming from other people.

[908] It's you're taxing working people to pay for this.

[909] But why?

[910] But there's something.

[911] But why does it have to be that way?

[912] The government already subsidizes it, right?

[913] Right.

[914] So what if they didn't do that?

[915] What if there was a way to figure out like a reasonable solution to how professors are paid, how students pay for their education?

[916] What if there's a reasonable solution that was profitable?

[917] I'd be all for that if there was a reasonable solution.

[918] I think so.

[919] But I think basically the solution is to just get the government out of the business of higher education.

[920] if there are institutions of higher education that are providing enough value for people like you come here you're going to be way better in life in that scene then people are going to want to send their kids there let them survive on their own but what about Canada what about the UK what about places that pay for education yeah I mean there are like other countries that do that and okay fair enough like that they're I mean I don't know enough about the Canadian university system but I'll tell you this they have just as big a problem with what you were talking about with the woke shit maybe even more maybe even more well the president's woke yeah he's not a president he's a king right what is he i believe he's a prime minister no he's a king he's true to a king king brown face he's a king thank you uh i also think that you know the woe shit is really uh it's really something that um has really gripped the country in an interesting way over the and it's not just that the the colleges are like teaching it like that's almost like the the center of the of it all like critical race theory in some university yeah but then you see how much it's been jumped onto by like by all the big corporations politicians they're all behind well that's why Kamala harris states are gender pronouns oh yeah yeah it's in compliance do you wonder what it's capitulate capitulating to the the woke culture right but it's interesting like do you I wonder oftentimes and I guess there's I don't know how many of like like real woke true believers will ever listen to anything that I'm ever on.

[921] Like, even as big as this show is, like, they would just be furious by everything you say.

[922] The way you just drank your glass is like, that's white supremacy or whatever, you know, like that.

[923] Yeah, well, me, by my very existence.

[924] Yes.

[925] Yeah, I'm a white male rich guy with tattoos who does cage fighting commentary.

[926] Yes, very problematic.

[927] A lot of problems.

[928] Very problematic.

[929] But do you ever wonder, like, even from their perspective, which is hard to get into, but to the air, if you're like out there and you're like, okay, black lives matter, and like the hardcore, like, woke 20 -year -old.

[930] Right.

[931] And they're like, I'm against this system because this system is white supremacy.

[932] Right.

[933] And then you realize that all of Hollywood agrees with you and all of academia agrees with you.

[934] And like J .P. Morgan Chase is running like a Black Lives Matter ads.

[935] And Kamala Harris, the vice president elect, agrees with you and all.

[936] And you go, how against the system are you really?

[937] if the entire system is supporting what you're doing.

[938] And why, if the whole system is based on white supremacy and you're here to call that out, why would the system not be reacting to crush you?

[939] Why would they be like propping you up?

[940] Well, the system is so malleable, right?

[941] The system recognizes trends and go, we can profit off this trend.

[942] We need to sell Black Life Matter masks.

[943] But I think it's more than just profiting off of it.

[944] Like my theory on it is that this is the ultimate divide and conquer and protect yourself strategy.

[945] So you see how much the, look, they don't want true economic leftism.

[946] That's what Bernie Sanders represented.

[947] And you saw how much the corporate press freaked out when it looked like he might have a shot at winning.

[948] They were calling his supporters Nazis and shit like that.

[949] Like they were giving him the Trump treatment.

[950] The Jewish guy who's the closest to ever being president any Jews ever been is all the sudden represents a Nazi takeover.

[951] But they freaked out and all the stuff you were saying about having the other can.

[952] candidates drop out and that Bernie Sanders was unacceptable to them.

[953] They don't like that brand of left wing ideology.

[954] They love the woke shit because the woke shit allows them to give up nothing.

[955] But like, J .P. Morgan Chase is like, fine.

[956] We'll send our white execs to diversity training.

[957] Good deal.

[958] Now, are we cool with the left now?

[959] Like, that's fine.

[960] We'll hang a Black Lives Matter flag up.

[961] No problem.

[962] They're fine with gestures.

[963] But Bernie Sanders is like, I want your money.

[964] I want your shit.

[965] I want your profits.

[966] No more making, like Bernie Sanders is that, you know, if some like social justice warrior is like, you know, we have a problem with microaggressions and toxic masculinity, the J .P. Morgan Chase is like, no problem.

[967] That's great.

[968] And Bernie Sanders is like, there shouldn't be billionaires.

[969] And they're like, ugh.

[970] I don't know about that guy.

[971] That guy seems like he could be trouble.

[972] You know what I mean?

[973] So they don't like the economic populist stuff because they've got a nice, little system worked out here where they're raping the country.

[974] The fucking big bank system that they have worked out right now is that the Federal Reserve prints money out of thin air lends it to them at zero percent interest and they lend it out to the rest of us at interest.

[975] So they just get money for free and then lend it out and collect the interest.

[976] It's a sweet ass fucking deal.

[977] If I were them, I'd want to talk about microaggressions too.

[978] I'd be like, you know what the real problem in our society is?

[979] These fucking microaggressions, am I right?

[980] That's what's fucking everybody over.

[981] White supremacy.

[982] They consciously like recognize these trends and say we've got to get on board with this and this will help us because we'll be one of the good guys.

[983] We'll be a company that's very difficult to criticize.

[984] I think there's a lot of forces at work, but I think that's a big part of it.

[985] They also realize that like I think there are people, it's like this kind of it's like an alliance between the top and the bottom so there's like the 20 year old who works for some company maybe some internet music streaming company I don't know you know some some company out there some 20 year old woke person who is a true believer a true believer in the woke stuff and then there is the J .P. Morgan Chase Kamala Harris is of the world they don't believe this for a goddamn second it's just a ploy it's just a tactic and so they're kind of playing off of these people but my thing is that like to the bleeding heart, young, woke, social justice warrior types is like, look, there's a need for you in society.

[986] There's a need for like a compassionate left who's willing to protest shit and shut shit down.

[987] But you're focused on all the wrong areas.

[988] It's not about fucking, forget microaggressions.

[989] Think about real aggressions.

[990] We're still in all the longest wars in American history.

[991] But protest that.

[992] Get out in the streets about fucking Yemen.

[993] Try to end that war.

[994] Isn't that it almost, there's too many things going on to, and then those things are out of sight.

[995] They're in another place that you're never going to visit.

[996] Well, you have to think a little bit about it.

[997] But why is it that, and maybe it's, I don't like have an answer.

[998] This isn't like a leading question, like, but why is it that like the Vietnam War could draw so many protests?

[999] The war in Iraq under George W. Bush drew so many protests.

[1000] So like, why can't, why were Trump's wars never like a thing?

[1001] I think the press covers them differently today than they did.

[1002] the Vietnam era.

[1003] Yeah, I think that's true.

[1004] I think the press during the Vietnam era was very much the press, the ideal view of the press.

[1005] Probably closer.

[1006] Much.

[1007] Yeah.

[1008] I think it's been changed.

[1009] First of all, there's a bunch of factors that happen almost together.

[1010] They coincide.

[1011] One of them is the advent of social media and the internet in general, and then how people are no longer digesting their news through paper.

[1012] They're not paying for any newspaper.

[1013] They're getting it on their phone, and you're now in competition with BuzzFeed and Vice and, you know, name it.

[1014] There's so many choices.

[1015] There's Vox, and there's almost too many different, the blaze is fucking, you can keep going and going and going.

[1016] There's too many different places where you can go to get information.

[1017] So if a website is competing with the New York Times, the New York Times now has to do something in order to get your attention.

[1018] So what do they do?

[1019] They do at least If they don't do clickbaity stuff They do provocative things They gear their attention towards things They know are going to get clicks Because they're starving They're literally fighting for survival Whether it's to Washington Post Or even the Wall Street Journal I think a lot of these newspapers Are experiencing significant Well, one thing that led to a big increase In the New York Post subscribers Ironically is Trump Right Trump shitting on them And calling the failing New York Times the yes yeah yeah there Trump calling them the failing New York Times they started their subscriptions went up well this is and this is true all over the place with corporate media entities that were dying I mean it's also true for MSNBC and CNN and a lot of them all saw rating surges sure because people wanted to combat Trump yeah a lot of them it became the number one focus because if it bleeds it leads like that's these are the really exciting things that people are going to tune into and it's going to help our revenue stream so our idea is that the reason why they're showing us the news is these are the most significant stories.

[1020] They're going to impact your life the most.

[1021] This is what's most important.

[1022] Not really the case.

[1023] What it really is is what's going to get the most attention.

[1024] What's the most important in terms of like what's going to get the most views, which is going to bring in the most advertising revenue.

[1025] And for people online that are writing stories, it's, they don't call it clickbait for a reason.

[1026] They do, rather, call it clickbait for a reason.

[1027] The reason is they've got to trick you in a click on that thing because that's how they make their money.

[1028] that we've created this rep so then they've tried subscription models and I subscribe to the Times and I subscribe to the Washington Post I subscribe to like four or five different publications and I felt like an obligation to do that I'm getting my news from them I feel like I should give them some money and that might be the only way these things ever survive is that people get their news via subscription model but to this day someone will send me a link and I'll click the link and they'll say to subscribe I'm like oh fuck you and then I'll I won't read it and then I'll Google it I'll try to find it somewhere else yeah that works about 50 % of the time yeah just Google the title you should be able to just pay for an article like maybe I'll Apple pay you five cents for this article let me get a double click to like but to make me subscribe every time I I understand that there's journalists and they're doing amazing work and that they've worked for weeks on this expose and this has been the sole focus of their life and it's valuable and it's valuable to me it's valuable to the united states as a whole because this one person's intellectual perspective on a very complex subject they boiled this down for weeks and weeks here this is what we've learned about x that those are important sure i'll give you a couple bucks i'll but make it fucking easy don't make me subscribe and give you my email address and i got to just make me go do do let me go like that i'll give you two dollars yeah it's kind of as it's surprising they haven't figured that all out close what Apple has but it's not quite it's like in between what you're talking about I have that too yeah I have that but it's still there's somebody curating it which is a little you know that's a little strange exactly I mean I would like to be able to go to each individual front page and I think I don't even I barely have time for that I think the thing you were mentioning earlier about who you trust is like a bigger factor than ever before you know who I trust online people people would know people like Jimmy Doors People like Kyle Cleansky.

[1029] People like The Hill.

[1030] Like Crystal and Sager.

[1031] I like them too.

[1032] I like that.

[1033] Their show is great.

[1034] It's great.

[1035] But I, you know, so it's like, and by the way, and the best is like Glenn Greenwald who you just had on recently.

[1036] Like he's on.

[1037] And you know where he stands.

[1038] Like he's a left wing guy.

[1039] But he still has journalistic integrity.

[1040] So he's not just going to like, you know, that him walking away from the intercept was incredible.

[1041] Yeah.

[1042] And there's, and Jeremy Skayhill, the other guy who was at the intercept with him is a great journalist.

[1043] Aaron Mate, I might be fucking up his last name.

[1044] Have you had him on?

[1045] No. He's great.

[1046] He's rights for the nation.

[1047] He did a great job.

[1048] He's on Jimmy Doors show all the time.

[1049] He did a great job of like just blowing up the Russia conspiracy bullshit.

[1050] And it was more powerful because it's like a left winger doing it who's like, listen, this is all lies.

[1051] And like, I hate Donald Trump, but I'm not going to tell you something that isn't real is real just because I hate him.

[1052] And so if you're smart or if you're fortunate enough to find the right people, you can get really good information online.

[1053] But it comes down to like who you trust to give you the right information.

[1054] And there's a lot of people right now who it's kind of like, well, these are the few people I trust.

[1055] These are the few people I trust on both sides.

[1056] Right.

[1057] And you could be way off.

[1058] Like you could think you trust this person.

[1059] Someone can come along and go, hey man, do you know they're financed by this?

[1060] Do you know that this is a part of the reason why they keep bringing this up is there's a directive?

[1061] You know, that emails have been leaked, and it's been proven that these people are supposed to be doing what they're doing.

[1062] You're like, oh, fuck, really?

[1063] That's the worst figuring out someone you trust isn't right.

[1064] Oh, gosh.

[1065] Finding out the cult master really doesn't speak to the alien behind the comet.

[1066] Yeah, but this is where we're at, right?

[1067] We're in this imperfect system that's the best system the world's ever known.

[1068] That's what's weird.

[1069] What's weird is, as good as this, like, it's hard to say things are great because things are not great for everybody.

[1070] and they're certainly not as good as they could be, right?

[1071] So that said, we have to recognize that this system of this experiment and self -government is the best system that's ever been put in place as far as creativity, artistic contribution, the impact on culture, the innovation.

[1072] Like, there's some beautiful things that are happening all around the world.

[1073] Yeah.

[1074] But there's some wild shit that has happened in America over a period of just 200 years.

[1075] Yeah.

[1076] It's pretty fucking crazy.

[1077] No, it's the, it's the greatest country that's ever existed by many different metrics.

[1078] So let me throw this out.

[1079] And it's worth saving because we're on a fucking suicide mission.

[1080] So it's worth saving.

[1081] I don't believe this, but I'm just as a thought exercise.

[1082] What if all this robbery like student debt and even the military industrial complex and even other, what if all of this activity has to go on in order to have this much threat?

[1083] thriving in order to have this much economic prosperity and this much freedom, you've got to have fuckery.

[1084] You've got to have madness.

[1085] You've got to have lies.

[1086] You've got to have deception.

[1087] You've got to have special interest groups.

[1088] You've got to have people distorting other people's positions on things.

[1089] You've got to have empty pundits.

[1090] You've got to have puppets in various stages of media.

[1091] You have to have clickbait.

[1092] You have to have all these things.

[1093] Because if you don't have all these things, you don't have resistance.

[1094] You don't have an enemy.

[1095] You don't have a battle.

[1096] of a competition to get these prominent ideas that you think are the most crucial in order to maintain this society and maybe even improve it.

[1097] They don't compete enough.

[1098] They have to be surprised.

[1099] You have to choke people.

[1100] You got to grab them.

[1101] You got to shake them like bad babies.

[1102] Almost like you have to create this chaos.

[1103] It's almost like you have to create it in order for people to battle this chaos.

[1104] Well, yeah, I mean, I guess there is like a yin and yang to the fact that there needs without corruption there could never be like noble anti -corruption forces and without anything to fight against.

[1105] I don't believe there are any bad babies and you definitely shouldn't shake them.

[1106] That was a bad analogy.

[1107] That was a bad analogy.

[1108] But if you're going to shake babies, make sure it's a bad baby.

[1109] Like a Hitler baby.

[1110] Yeah.

[1111] Hitler baby, I think it's okay to shake.

[1112] When do you think you could go back in time and be justified in killing Hitler?

[1113] Like if you killed him when he was 10, you'd be an asshole.

[1114] Yeah, that's bad.

[1115] Maybe you should just coach him.

[1116] Yeah.

[1117] Teach him.

[1118] anytime yeah well that's i mean once you have the ability to time travel you'd think you probably solve this in a better way than killing him could you though maybe not i don't know you have to keep him from steroids and cocaine right because apparently that was the thing they would inject him with testosterone and cocaine you ever see that video of him at the olympics yes yes it's like it's amazing oh my god yeah you imagine what it's like being in his inner circle just like a little thing fucked up or something like that there's a crazy story i forget who told to me. I do too many podcasts, but about Mussolini and that Mussolini was ready to get out of the war.

[1119] It's like, Italy doesn't want to know part of this.

[1120] And they shot Hitler up with Coke and testosterone.

[1121] And they sent him over there.

[1122] And he cornered Mussolini and fucking talked to him for hours.

[1123] Imagine being at a party with some guy who just spit in your face telling you stories.

[1124] And he's talking just like his public speeches, like just like going crazy.

[1125] And by the end of the fucking conversation, Mussolini is all in.

[1126] he's like anything just to get this man away from me oh but was it that or was Mussolini like actually like fuck yeah we're gonna fight this war like Hitler just had this power he had a needle and a fucking mirror he's like come on do a scorn of this and I'm fucking hit you with one of those woo are we in but you know Hitler was doing all sorts of hardcore amphetamines by the way so was Kennedy did you know yeah the doctor feel good you know that they were doing that to a lot of people back that I mean I'm pretty convinced all of them are on some type of drugs see Joe Biden sprinted out to his acceptance speech the other day.

[1127] They gave him a little something.

[1128] A hundred percent.

[1129] Donald Trump did.

[1130] Dude, Donald Trump did in back -to -back days in the last week before the election five events at five different states where he did close to an hour at each one.

[1131] Like, if someone told you, dude, we're getting on a plane, you're doing five hours tonight in five different states.

[1132] You're like, that's going to be a day, man. Donald Trump is in his mid -70s.

[1133] He's overweight and he had COVID a couple weeks ago.

[1134] and he's fucking doing it and dude he loves it like he's just up there and again the chest we love you and he just and by the way nothing scripted which is the most amazing part about Trump he literally just gets up there and just fucking stream of conscience they got a doctor with a turkey based or filled with testosterone oh my god they're just shoving it into him they're giving him something everything it's not just Big Macs there's something else at work there for sure there's definitely some sort of stimulant probably prescribed by a doctor so it doesn't seem like it's bad yeah you know I would never do drugs There's a lot of people that think that I knew a lady who was like hooked on Xanax but she hated drugs I'm like what do you think you're doing what do you think you doing?

[1135] People have weird ideas about drugs Right and if you talk to like drug specialists I mean I've have people on that explain that kicking Xanax is actually more difficult than kicking opiates like Xanax addiction is very serious Yeah it's a powerful drug Yeah maybe not more difficult but it's in the realm It's like it's an incredibly difficult thing to kick and has all sorts of weird complications with people, you know, um, antidepressants in general or anti -anxiety medication in general, like benzodiazepine.

[1136] That's that shit that Jordan Peterson was trying to get off.

[1137] And he was wrecked for a fucking year for a whole, he's just coming out of the fog now.

[1138] I mean, how to go, uh, do a medical detox in Russia.

[1139] Yeah.

[1140] For benzos.

[1141] Yeah.

[1142] I've never, have you ever done a benzo?

[1143] Do you know what that is?

[1144] I don't know what it's like.

[1145] No, I mean, I've heard the stories about Peterson.

[1146] Joey Diaz eats them, a bowl like corn flakes yeah but joey diaz isn't exactly human i don't think he's ever had them he can he might have you couldn't do anything to joey dyes no matter what you give him he'll be the same well while he's alive he's a national treasure we should protect him with everything we can right you've got him now that's right yeah he's in jersey that's right yeah i'm happy that was win one for the east and right when he got there they legalized weed coincidence maybe not it's uh it's quite a coincidence if it is just that he brought it he brought the energy they probably thought about it and like Uncle Joey's in town.

[1147] We've got to check that box.

[1148] I'm glad Joey Diaz is in New Jersey, and I'm glad Jordan Peterson is home.

[1149] I think the country could use some more, Jordan Peterson.

[1150] Yeah, for sure.

[1151] And also, I think it's probably real important for a guy of his intellectual capacity to explain what it was like to be addicted to these things and try to get off of them.

[1152] And I think a lot of us, we especially, it'd be easy for someone like me who's never been physically addicted to something where I had like some serious withdrawals.

[1153] It's probably easy to dismiss that as mental weakness, you know, but when a guy who's as intelligent as him and has spent so much time talking about personal responsibility has a situation like this, it can shine some light in a very unique way that may be like you or I who, have you ever been addicted to anything?

[1154] Not really.

[1155] Coffee.

[1156] I was addicted to coffee.

[1157] But I really am addicted to coffee.

[1158] You ever like had not been able to have coffee?

[1159] Yeah, I've had some headaches.

[1160] Yeah, it's like I had to give blood or I had to get blood test once like a couple years ago.

[1161] And it was like I, you can't drink coffee before it.

[1162] And it was like at noon.

[1163] And it was like by the time I was out, I was like, holy shit.

[1164] Like I'm really feeling that.

[1165] But no, not addiction to like anything like crazy.

[1166] You get headaches.

[1167] I bought a 51 ounce French press.

[1168] It's like it's a big old metal French press.

[1169] And when I make coffee, if I make French press, coffee.

[1170] I put in way too much coffee.

[1171] Like, you're not supposed to have that much grinds.

[1172] I'm basically making speed.

[1173] And then I poured the hot water and I drank the whole thing.

[1174] So I drank 50 ounces, whatever it is without the beans.

[1175] I make it like a couple inches thick on the bottom.

[1176] It's way more coffee than you're supposed to have.

[1177] So let's say I drink 45 ounces of coffee.

[1178] And it's crank.

[1179] And by the end of the day, I was so tired.

[1180] And I was like, why am I so tired?

[1181] I'm like, oh, you're on speed today, stupid.

[1182] Yeah, yeah, basically.

[1183] It's catching up with you.

[1184] Like the end of the, but before that I felt so good.

[1185] I wanted to hug everybody.

[1186] I wanted to go to work.

[1187] I wanted to get things done.

[1188] I got a workout in.

[1189] I did some writing.

[1190] I made some phone calls.

[1191] That sounds pretty good to me. The only negative was you got tired at the end of the day?

[1192] And the day I was tired.

[1193] Like when Trump goes to sleep, I'd love to see like a webcam of him when the Adderall dies out and he has to take a sleeping pill.

[1194] But his, whatever it is that he takes the energy that that guy has.

[1195] I remember Bill O 'Reilly interviewed him.

[1196] It was like when he first became president.

[1197] And it was before Bill O 'Reilly went down.

[1198] So around when he first became president.

[1199] And he asked him, one, which was the greatest thing ever was he asked him.

[1200] He was like, so do you ever look around the White House and just think to yourself like, man, this is like really incredible.

[1201] I'm the president of the United States.

[1202] And Trump was like, yeah, it's a nice house.

[1203] He just seems so unimpressed with the fact that.

[1204] It's probably kind of like shitholds compared to where he lived.

[1205] But that's just Donald Trump, like, it's always like, did you ever have, like, a serious moment where you thought about your role in history and all this and this house you're in?

[1206] And he's like, yeah, Donald fucking Trump.

[1207] Like, I don't know.

[1208] I live in a lot of nice houses.

[1209] And Bill O 'Reilly asked him how much he sleeps a night and he said about three hours.

[1210] And he goes, does that like mess with you?

[1211] And he goes, I always slept about three hours.

[1212] Like he was always kind of being this guy.

[1213] He always loved.

[1214] It was a big advantage.

[1215] The celebrity factor for Donald Trump was a big advantage in politics.

[1216] And a part of that was that, like, when he would get on those debate stages, you know, you got to think like in the primary debates with other Republicans, a lot of these guys like, you know, Marco Rubio or someone like that, he might have been groomed by the establishment, but he hasn't been under these type of lights before.

[1217] No. He hasn't had 100 million people watching him before.

[1218] But Donald Trump stepped right in there, like, this is exactly where I belong.

[1219] Yeah.

[1220] This is my home and was so comfortable.

[1221] And even someone like Jeb Bush, who's from the most powerful.

[1222] crime family in America.

[1223] But has he ever been in a spotlight like that before?

[1224] Not with a guy like Donald Trump who doesn't follow any of the rules.

[1225] What are you going to say, Jamie?

[1226] I've heard recently I don't even know if it's speculation but the drug he's taking is not like Adderall or some meth thing but he's taking like provogil actually.

[1227] Could be.

[1228] I just found a tweet from like two years ago that his doctor apparently passes it out like candy.

[1229] Yeah, well that will definitely pep you up and keep you, yeah.

[1230] I've taken that i've taken provigil it uh without a doubt it uh gives you a lot of energy it's great if you have to drive and you're not going to be able to get any sleep it's amazing amazing for staying awake but uh yeah makes sense i mean it's not a speed technically it's a different it's in a different class i've never taken it doesn't elevate your heart rate um it's banned from uh i believe it's banned from uh olympic competition see if that's the case new vigil look up new vigil um is it finasteride is that what it's called medafinil is like that's advil isn't no it's a viagra they added it I'm sure he takes that too added to the prohibited substances 10 days before the 2004 Olympics yeah because it does give you some sort of a a stimulant effect but not a stimulant effect like it's you never had it I don't think so it's cool it's weird it gives you like this weird buzz like you have this like weird um i don't necessarily think it increases your IQ like i don't think it increases i shouldn't say IQ uh cognitive performance but i do think it makes you appear like you've increased your cognitive performance like maybe it makes you think that you're smarter but it gives you more energy that's dangerous see like has it been like no bet see look up no benefit for cognitive performance on provisial I might be wrong.

[1231] I think there may be a slight uptick for a lot of people.

[1232] But for a lot of people, I think one of the things that holds them back is they're just not that healthy.

[1233] They don't have a lot of energy.

[1234] You know, like healthy people that are like really vibrant people that are in good shape, they have more energy for stuff, and that would make them think better.

[1235] Researchers have found that medafinil boosts higher order cognitive function without causing serious side effects.

[1236] Medaphano, which has been prescribed in the U .S. since 1998, to treat sleep -related conditions.

[1237] such as narcolepsy and sleep apnea, heightens alertness as much as caffeine does.

[1238] Well, they're really selling it.

[1239] Sounds awesome.

[1240] Yeah, it says, but do that again, click on that again?

[1241] Does it increase that a clue?

[1242] Boost higher order cognitive function.

[1243] I don't know what that.

[1244] You'd have to take a couple tests, I guess, to figure out of a boost.

[1245] I don't know.

[1246] Right.

[1247] It's hard to test for.

[1248] Yeah.

[1249] It's interesting.

[1250] From what I understand, even though it was prescribed for narcolepsy, I believe it was developed for I think it was developed as a performance enhancing drug I think they developed it to they were trying to figure out how to increase cognitive function and then they said well you can't just give a drug out for people that want to get smarter about shit like you have to have a reason like a medical condition because of the state of our medical system and so then they said um narcolepsy It'll help against narcolepsy.

[1251] A lot of these drugs are developed like that.

[1252] They're developed for a purpose completely different than what they end up being.

[1253] 900 ,000 prescriptions in 2017 in just the U .S. for it.

[1254] Most of them are me. That's only that makes it the number 328th most commonly prescribed.

[1255] Wow.

[1256] It's really good.

[1257] It's almost a billion, though.

[1258] I'm not saying you should get on it.

[1259] I definitely have.

[1260] I haven't taken it for years, though.

[1261] I'm not saying you should, but it looks like Trump's doing it.

[1262] Things are working out pretty good for that.

[1263] Well, not right now they're not.

[1264] Now he's just Rand and Raven like a big baby Take your lumps Sir But when you I know A guy's an author Who says He can't function Without it And he writes That's what he uses He uses that stuff He says It doesn't have any energy Without it Yeah But again It works I think A lot of people Like They're just not that healthy Right And they need something To give him a little Pick Me Up But You know I talk to Tim Ferriss About it You know Tim Ferriss is into a lot performance enhancing things and a lot of biohacking type things and he said that he didn't want to put it in his book it was a four -hour body or the four -hour work I don't remember which but which one it was one of his books one of his sort of like how to beat the system type books because he goes I felt like people's just going to start eating it like candy and he goes and I feel like there's always a biological like there's no biological free rides there's always some sort of of a negative aspect especially to abuse of something like that but when you're 74 and you eat nothing but french fries and you're out there kicking ass you got to go like how much times this guy got left anyway well yeah but some people are just freaks like that you know like some people it's true like some people don't you know what i mean there's like some people who are like uh are like eat like shit and like still fucking like some people just naturally have better cardio even if they're not like running as much as somebody else they just naturally have it better some people can treat their bodies like shit and still function.

[1265] Most people can't.

[1266] Right.

[1267] But Trump is, if nothing else, he is unique.

[1268] Well, he kicked COVID so quickly.

[1269] I don't care what drugs they gave him.

[1270] Oh, but he's like, yeah, but he got access to drugs that we don't have.

[1271] Okay, well, give him to everybody.

[1272] Give those drugs to everybody.

[1273] And then we open up the country again because of that fat guy who's almost dead.

[1274] He's 74.

[1275] What is the average life expectancy?

[1276] I think he's above it.

[1277] I think, is it 77?

[1278] Is it?

[1279] It's in the neighborhood.

[1280] Yeah, it's lower.

[1281] year because of all the stress sure let's just say it's 76 so he's two years away from being dead and you guys gave him these magic drugs now he's doing five hours of campaigns every day whatever those drugs are you got to give him out to everybody 76 yeah look at that yeah 81 for chicks the last yeah and they complain well the last five years they just laugh fuck am i win it's it's kind of great i mean i i hope this is the big hope right Biden gets into office the country relaxes all this crazy shit about making lists and everything people realize there's some that's bad and then whatever this vaccine is and whatever these treatments are we're allowed to go back to normal again that would be that would be the best case scenario that i i think that joe biden does something you know we'll have a national mask mandate or something and then he'll for we'll do that for two months and then he goes we defeated the virus and we did it because we finally got serious and listened to the science and but i got to say i'm not super optimistic that that's the way it's going to go well explain what you were saying to me before the show we're talking about governors realizing oh well i mean this power yeah look i mean i think that what's happened over the last year in America is really like unprecedented.

[1282] I mean, the idea that Americans have now accepted to some degree that we could be in a state where we're sitting at home watching our governors on television to find out what we're allowed to do today.

[1283] Are we allowed to go to the park?

[1284] Can I see my grandmother?

[1285] Can I have my family over?

[1286] Can I go to work?

[1287] Like the most intimate basic things that we all took for granted as freedoms.

[1288] Of course, the government, government could never tell you you can or can't do that.

[1289] And now the governors have taken this authority.

[1290] And there wasn't major pushback.

[1291] I mean, there was a little, but not so much that they couldn't get away with doing it.

[1292] And I don't know that they're just going to give up that authority now that they've seized it.

[1293] I mean, my thing, what I think about COVID ultimately, the effect that the lockdowns and all this will have, I think it would be something like 9 -11 where, you know, like right after 9 -11 you remember there was all that fear that there'd be another terrorist attack like oh my god we're terrified this could happen again and that's kind of gone away people don't really live with a fear of another terrorist attack but the department of homeland security is here to stay the tsa is here to stay the wars that we're fighting are seemingly here to stay the patriot act is here to stay all of these things and then all the stuff that grew out of the patriot act with the crazy NSA spying and all that so my guess is that a lot of these things are going to be here to stay when you give the government control, it's very hard to get it back from them.

[1294] Yes.

[1295] And that's a difficult dynamic.

[1296] Especially when it's for your own good, like in a medical emergency.

[1297] And the problem is we've always lost so many people to so many different medical emergencies, so many different medical problems.

[1298] I mean, what if the government changed the way people were allowed to eat because we talked about the money that's like all the heart disease and all the money that is going towards treating heart disease, and we have to put a stop to this.

[1299] It's become a real issue in this country.

[1300] We're losing half a million people a year, whatever it is, to heart disease and heart attacks.

[1301] We have to stop this, and so we're going to enforce certain rules and regulations in terms of how you can eat.

[1302] Once you accept this principle, there's a lot of different ways that you could go down this line.

[1303] And the other big one, I would say, is like climate change.

[1304] I mean, if you accept that COVID was this emergency so that we have to lock everyone in their houses and all this stuff, well, okay, you have a whole bunch of people who are arguing that climate change is an existential crisis that's going to, you know, make all things the planet uninhabitable, excuse me, for all living things.

[1305] Well, then by that logic, wouldn't that be worth locking people in their homes over?

[1306] And so it's very dangerous once you've set this precedent that the government can do this.

[1307] And they all look around at each other and realize, we got away with this.

[1308] And by the way, that's not even if you believe the lockdowns were the right thing to do for COVID, which I don't.

[1309] But even if you believe that, you'd still have to be concerned about this authoritarianism that we've kind of like ushered in over this last year.

[1310] It doesn't mean that that's not a danger anymore.

[1311] You know what I mean?

[1312] Like, even if you think chemotherapy is necessary to kill the cancer, you still have to worry about all the other, you know, like effects of chemotherapy.

[1313] And so that, that to me is what's very dangerous about all of this.

[1314] Joe Biden ran on the idea that he's open to another round of lockdowns.

[1315] And I wonder if people realize, like, how devastating the last round of lockdowns were and how devastating it would be to do it again.

[1316] I don't know.

[1317] I hope your version was right.

[1318] Has it really opened?

[1319] When you say, like, in certain places, like, L .A. is locked down.

[1320] Yeah, yeah.

[1321] It never really opened.

[1322] Right, right.

[1323] They opened a few, like, things for a few weeks, like gyms and nail salons, and they closed it back down again.

[1324] Right.

[1325] So, yeah, so in some places it is still pretty locked down.

[1326] And then in some places, it's kind of quasi -locked down, not quite as much as it was back in March, April, May. Right.

[1327] But, yeah, no, New York City's never been the same.

[1328] And businesses have been destroyed.

[1329] people's lives have been destroyed over this.

[1330] It's a real, it's a real awful thing.

[1331] New York City has some crazy amount of apartments that are open.

[1332] Like it's bananas.

[1333] People have been bailing on New York City.

[1334] Yeah, like I think the last check was like double the amount of normal apartments that are available.

[1335] Yeah, that makes sense.

[1336] Yeah, people have been moving out like crazy and it's hard.

[1337] It was hard for a while to get like any numbers on it.

[1338] But I know like stories.

[1339] I've heard people who work for moving companies saying like you can't book us.

[1340] to move we're completely booked up like we're moving everybody and they're all going out of the city you halls were really hard to get triple look that empty empty rental apartments in manhattan triple hitting nearly 16 ,000 wow and that was october 8th i bet it's even worse now month later that's nuts vacancy rate in manhattan which is typically two to three percent is now under six percent wow i just saw something about los angeles or some counties in california might be getting rolling back now because the numbers are going up again oh really the numbers are going up again and of course that all this stuff isn't just the lockdowns it was also all the riots over this summer and the fear that these riots were going to get worse and worse and the looting and the looting yeah not that it was already pretty bad but the fear was kind of like oh i guess especially when it was a really crazy thing to see the cops step back and just let people loot oh yeah it was basically just like, okay, you're going to do it, go for it.

[1341] Well, I believe in Santa Monica, the sheriff gave orders for the cops to stand down.

[1342] See if that's true.

[1343] Because people were criticizing her.

[1344] They were really upset.

[1345] And even if there's not, even if that hasn't been talked about in other areas, it was pretty clear that they were given orders to stand down in a lot of places.

[1346] Well, when the numbers get so high, I mean, the cops had abandoned that Minneapolis police station, right?

[1347] I mean, it got to the point where they were overcoming the police station.

[1348] They let them light the police station on fire.

[1349] Yeah.

[1350] Like when I got up in the morning after the shit hit the fan in L .A., and I saw this video of these cop cars, like on the highway, just lit on fire one after the other, covered in spray paint, windows smashed in.

[1351] I was like, whoa.

[1352] Yeah.

[1353] This is in L .A. This is not in Minnesota.

[1354] This is not in Minneapolis where it actually happened.

[1355] This is nowhere near it, and they're lighting other cop cars on fire.

[1356] Santa Monica Police Chief stepped down a couple weeks ago.

[1357] Okay.

[1358] Recognizing that recent events, both here in Santa Monica and around the nation, have strained community police relations.

[1359] Chief Renowned has made the decision to step aside so the Santa Monica Police Department can continue to move forward.

[1360] A statement announcing her retirement said, I'm pretty sure she told the cops to stand down.

[1361] It starts off saying that, like, amid anger over her response to the protests.

[1362] Yeah.

[1363] The idea was that, and this was the same idea that the mayor of New York, acting on that you let them burn out let them get it out of their system which is uh that really sucks if you happen to be one of those uh people caught in the burning it out yeah you know yeah like that's uh that's pretty rough you also open up the door to the fact that this can happen again and if it does happen again you're not going to do anything again well and it does and it seems like um there's no at this point now it's like if there is an incident that comes out where a cop killed a black guy, we're not even going to wait to figure out what happened here, do an investigation, was this an unjustified shooting, was it justified, it's just going to be the first knee -jerk reaction is like, let's start, you know, burning stuff down.

[1364] Just like very disturbing and incredibly destructive.

[1365] I say that as somebody who's like not a fan of policing in this country and think we do have major problems, but I always, right from the very beginning in Minneapolis, was like, okay, this is like completely unacceptable.

[1366] You can't like support people.

[1367] destroying communities because they're pissed off about an unrelated thing.

[1368] And any more than you can support the US invading Iraq because they're pissed off about 9 -11.

[1369] You can't just be like hey, this guy did something to me so I'm going to go take it out on this guy and then people give you these like response like so you care more about looting than about human lives or something and you're like well why is it a choice like why can't I be against all of it I know it's a weird narrative well there was there's been a lot of those this year like there was the oh you just want to get a haircut was a big narrative if you like opposed the lockdowns where you're kind of like do you really think that's all that human life is leaving your home is just getting a haircut it's not like I don't know you know seeing your family or getting a cancer screening or you know like whatever all of human life pretty much it's just reduced to you just want a haircut you being able to make your own decision yeah like you being able to if you like one thing you're allowed to do is enter into the protests so people were protesting and everybody thought that was okay so you're shoulder to shoulder which I agree with I don't I don't have any problem with protests I think it's you have a point you're allowed to it's part of freedom of assembly it's part of the constitution the bill of rights it's part of who we are you're allowed to protest things that you disagree with yeah if you're peaceful I absolutely agree with you but if you're going to allow people to do that you should also allow them to go to the gym.

[1370] You should also allow them to go to comedy clubs.

[1371] You should also allow them to go to restaurants.

[1372] You should allow them to do whatever they want.

[1373] And if you say, well, you have to have a consideration that you're going to get all these other people sick if you get sick.

[1374] Okay.

[1375] But you have to have that with everything.

[1376] You have to have that with.

[1377] No one said, hey, I understand that you want to protest and I'm with you, but here's the problem.

[1378] This could spread the disease.

[1379] Please don't do it.

[1380] No one said that.

[1381] No one said happened when the when the protest first started and the basically the media and even a whole bunch of like epidemiologists and stuff were like no it's okay it's okay for the protest that to me was like one of the craziest moments I've ever lived through cognitive dissonance like and I've like all the time talk about how corrupt and how the corporate press are all liars and stuff and all but to actually see that that they would go like it was like okay it was like three months of this complete change of the American way of life where it's like, listen, we all got to do this.

[1382] You have to give up everything and stay home because we got to control this disease.

[1383] And then, like, they were like, oh, my God, there were 20 -year -olds at the beach.

[1384] Oh, my God, they're going to spread it.

[1385] And then, like, two days later, it was like, no, this is totally fine.

[1386] Yeah.

[1387] And you're like, what the fuck is going on?

[1388] How could you possibly rob everything from people?

[1389] But then you decide that because they're protesting a cause that we agree, like, we agree with the cause, therefore this is okay that was fucking weird there's no negative consequences to it at all yeah yeah like that was really bizarre and then there were things you know i heard a lot of these kind of like anecdotal stories like people would tell but i mean there were things where like you know i heard this one story that always stuck with me about a guy whose wife was pregnant and uh they it for she got sick and it looked like they might lose the baby and they wouldn't let her in uh they wouldn't let him in the appointment with her her.

[1390] So she had to, no, they didn't lose the baby.

[1391] Thank God.

[1392] And everything was fine.

[1393] But like she was going into a sonogram to maybe find out that they had lost the baby.

[1394] And they wouldn't let him be there to like hold her hand through that.

[1395] Right.

[1396] And it's just like, I don't know what if you could put a value on that or whatever, but that's quite a thing to ask someone not, you know, to be able to do.

[1397] And then to have epidemiologists go like, well, we think that this protesting is so important that you can go do it.

[1398] And you're like, so are you telling that guy that that wasn't important enough?

[1399] Like that wasn't important.

[1400] Like that was an important for him to be there with his wife and that's an individual that's a controlled environment you could test yeah yeah you know and so it's just it's pretty and and and that really did a lot to like undermine people's confidence in like the scientists and you know you want to say follow the science it's like yeah but this isn't science well that's politics you recognize that there's a lot of malarkey it's this is not all 100 % straightforward yeah i i was talking to a guy who's very intelligent guy and he was we were talking about um one of these recent studies both covid and uv light and how uh it shows that it dies very quickly in sunlight and he goes well that's why there was no spread after the riots i go did they stop when it went dark like what are you talking about there was a spread like there was an uptick it was going down and then it came back up again i mean it's all like within a week or two of the riot starting like you can you can see the cases but it's not even like But he wanted to believe it.

[1401] No, I understand.

[1402] He's not a part of the media and there was no one around but me. Yeah, but sometimes people, it's a very powerful thing to start with like an emotional, you know, position and then rationalize from there.

[1403] Yeah.

[1404] And like we all do that, you know, like myself included.

[1405] A thing where you want to come, you want to say things and the other person says the same thing.

[1406] You both agree.

[1407] You agree to this weird mantra.

[1408] Yeah.

[1409] And then you reinforce it with both of you.

[1410] Because you just bounced it off each other and so we're both more sure.

[1411] We're both on the right team.

[1412] But the weirdest part about it then was that, so then they'd go like, okay, oh, my God, some kids went to spring break, these evil killers, like, how could these kids do this?

[1413] They don't care about grandma.

[1414] And then two days later, we're protesting, and that's totally fine.

[1415] We're not going to get COVID that way.

[1416] And then another day later, it's like, oh, wait, Trump had a rally.

[1417] Oh, I mean, this is going to spread COVID like crazy.

[1418] And it just got so bananas that it's like, dude, like, your agenda is showing.

[1419] It's just obvious way.

[1420] And you can maybe defend that agenda, but that's an agenda.

[1421] Yeah.

[1422] That's not science.

[1423] It's so inconsistent.

[1424] Yeah.

[1425] It's ridiculous.

[1426] It's not science.

[1427] But, you know, I think also people felt like this is a real chance for change and they're willing to take a risk.

[1428] You know, these protests were important because they, they represented enough as enough and that people are going to get out in the streets.

[1429] And even if windows got broken and things got.

[1430] lit on fire at the end of the day we're going to fix all that calm it down and this is the idea behind it yeah but i think if you really wanted to make a change then they couldn't have done a worse job of how they went about it and i understand it's a lot of different people so it's not like any one person you can blame but like if you uh like if you my buddy uh scott horton who's fucking genius by the way uh scott horton at uh the libertarian institute uh and he uh i'm wearing a shirt I'm returning institute.

[1431] But he said, and I really love this, he said when Black Lives Matter first came out, he was like, and he's like as against police brutality as any human being on the planet.

[1432] He's been writing about this for decades.

[1433] And he's like, he goes, don't call it Black Lives Matter.

[1434] Call it accountability for killer cops.

[1435] And just run with that.

[1436] Like just run with the narrative that, look, this is what we want and it's something you can't argue for.

[1437] Don't insert the racial thing.

[1438] It's going to get played in a million different ways.

[1439] It ends up like creating all these dynamics that aren't helpful to getting to the root of the problem, which is we want these five major policy reforms.

[1440] You know, we want to, you know, accountability for killer cops and the war on drugs and qualified immunity and civil asset forfeiture.

[1441] You know, like pick some really important things that would actually save lives and go hard at those.

[1442] But the problem is that then you have the way the movement goes and then you have the rioting and stuff like.

[1443] like that in the looting and then this ends up turning a lot of people off who would maybe be sympathetic to you but don't you think that over and over again you see white cop black victim white cop black victim over and over and over again you see this narrative whether or not it's representative of interactions with cops as a whole it doesn't matter because those are the videos that go viral i think there's probably millions of interactions where nothing goes wrong at all but those don't matter what matters is when they do go viral so many times eric gardner this george floyd case so many times white cop black victim so they have you have to acknowledge the racial aspect of it I think just by saying it justice against killer cops or get rid of killer cops you're you're you're not addressing the thing that is maybe most disturbing to many people is that it keeps being a white cop and a black man I think that there are there are certainly videos where that is the case there's also a lot of videos where that's not the case they don't get the same amount of play in the press.

[1444] But the ones that become viral, these big stories.

[1445] But the question might be why those ones become such big stories and the other ones don't.

[1446] My point is that when you play up the racial aspect of it, what you end up doing is then you, so then you start having this conversation we're having more.

[1447] Okay, so about twice as many white people are unarmed white people are killed by cops every year than black people, but black people aren't half the population of white people.

[1448] So black people are like 13 % of the population.

[1449] So for them to be, you know, whatever it is, like 40 % or something like that of the killings, it is disproportionate.

[1450] Then you have to take into account where the high crime neighborhoods are, how many interactions they're having with police.

[1451] Like I understand there are these videos that go viral.

[1452] What happened to me, in my opinion, what happened to George Floyd was like horrific and people should go to jail over that shit.

[1453] I think what happened to Brianna Taylor was horrific and people should go to jail over that shit.

[1454] It's not clear to me at all that.

[1455] that race was a factor in those cases.

[1456] I could be wrong about that.

[1457] I just haven't really seen any evidence to suggest that it was, but maybe it is.

[1458] I just think that you end up going down this road.

[1459] So one of the activists in Minneapolis said this thing, and this is where like wokeism comes in to poison this shit from my perspective.

[1460] So he said they don't want to call it police brutality anymore.

[1461] They want to call it systemic racism because this is just another form of systemic racism.

[1462] Forget the term police brutality.

[1463] And what ends up happening when you look at things that way is what you don't get rid of is police brutality.

[1464] What you end up getting rid of is Aunt Jemima.

[1465] You know, it becomes a distraction of other issues rather than focusing on the major issues that you care about.

[1466] And to my, I'm just saying, listen, I'm just saying if you wanted to be effective, I think Black Lives Matter would be better off to share some of those videos of it happening to white people also and go, look, this isn't just black people's problem.

[1467] this is a cop on civilian problem this is a government authoritarian problem well there have been some that went viral the one that was most disturbing to me was the guy in Phoenix shaver I believe his last name was in the hallway yeah crawling they made him crawl and he kept reaching back to pick his pants up as they were falling down he's crying and banging for his life and the guy lit him up on the ground the worst one I've ever seen it's insane because he made the guy crawl to him and then he gunned him down as he was crawling to him and he's screaming at him the whole time yeah screaming at him Well, you know, and he had a toy gun or something like that, and they saw him with a toy gun out the window, and they called in the SWAT team, so they came in geared up and revved up.

[1468] There's been a lot of police brutality videos.

[1469] The Sandra Bland one is particularly disturbing.

[1470] She didn't do anything wrong.

[1471] He's telling her to put her cigarette out in her car.

[1472] Like, who the fuck are you to tell her to put her cigarette out?

[1473] That's the one who got in jail?

[1474] She hung herself or something happened?

[1475] Or something happened.

[1476] Who know the, we don't know.

[1477] That's part of the problem.

[1478] But the racial aspect of it, when you're a, if you're a person who's a black person or any person of color and you see over and over again a white cop killing a black person, whether it's representative, I mean, you're not going to think when you see those videos, oh, well, there's a million interactions and most of them are positive.

[1479] You're just going to know your experiences with cops and if cops have bullied you and fuck with you or maybe you've been a victim of police brutality yourself.

[1480] and then you're going to think of how many times it's been a white cop doing it to a black person and I think the number's not insignificant and it has to be addressed.

[1481] Yeah, look, I certainly understand why that would be a lot of people's perspective.

[1482] I get that completely.

[1483] I'm just saying that from the way I look at it is like I think that for what, like really for the first time that I've ever seen, I thought leading up to the George Floyd situation that right wingers were really getting red -pilled on cops like they were actually getting really pissed off at the cops because the cops were the ones enforcing these lockdowns and they were against it and there was a lot of like stuff where right wingers would be like can you believe these cops are actually doing this if they'll shut down you know they were shutting down churches that's something that pisses right wingers off and so and then when the George Floyd thing came out I think pretty much everybody I'm not everybody but the vast majority of the public was like that is really horrible what happened to that guy and I think there was a lot of energy that could have actually been used for real change and I think that what's happened since then has basically blown it because that you see what happens then when people see rioting and looting who do they who do they want they want the cops yeah they want the cops back it's like it's almost like that was proof like it's almost like you're working to prove the right winger's right about what they thought about the cops to begin with which is that well if we don't have cops this is what we have just looting and rioting and violence well if you don't have cops and then you have civil unrest and then also you have a bunch of people that have no money because they've been locked down for all this time and then you have opportunity because you get sheriffs like the one in Santa Monica that tells everybody to stand down then you have chaos yeah that's that's it's a recipe for disaster but it's also it's real easy to break things it's not so easy to fix them it's not so easy to bring it all back together again the way it was 11 months ago like try try getting there right now it's going to take you 11 years well that's right and and you You may never get it.

[1484] You might never get it.

[1485] Like one thing that I think that I think people, the ones who really wanted Trump out, and I understand why a lot of them did, I think a lot of people just had like Trump fatigue.

[1486] They're like, I just can't deal with this bullshit anymore.

[1487] Like I just can't.

[1488] But I think they should realize the possibility that we're never going to a pre -Trump world again.

[1489] Like never 100%, you know, and I think we may never go to a pre -COVID world again.

[1490] And we may never go to a pre -Black Lives Matter world.

[1491] again.

[1492] Like, we might get closer to that than we are now, but I don't know that we'll ever go back to that time completely, in the same way that we never went to a pre -9 -11 world again.

[1493] Or a pre -Kennedy assassination world again.

[1494] Yeah, that's it.

[1495] There's certain events in our history that they change us forever.

[1496] And this is most certainly one of those events.

[1497] But you probably could have said the same thing about the Spanish flu, although I don't think the government or the media was a sophisticated back then.

[1498] And there was a lot more, there's a lot more hardship in the world, period.

[1499] And then what happened right after the Spanish flu was the roaring 20s, right?

[1500] That was immediately afterwards.

[1501] And then, of course, the Great Depression.

[1502] There's been a lot of ups and downs and hills and valleys back then.

[1503] But those people got through that and then stopped wearing masks.

[1504] So it's weird when you see the photos from the Spanish flu, I never knew that they were wearing masks, that people wore masks in public.

[1505] But when you look at these old black and white photos, it's really kind of interesting.

[1506] Like, you go, oh, look at that.

[1507] It's almost like I know they're real pictures.

[1508] But if they weren't, like, someone's like Photoshop masks on these people and pretended that there was a pandemic back then, that's what it looked like.

[1509] It looked almost fake.

[1510] Yeah, yeah, I know.

[1511] I've seen some of those photos.

[1512] But I know what you mean where it's, but I think like what you said is really the heart of it.

[1513] That you go, life was just so much harder back then.

[1514] Here we go.

[1515] Look at this.

[1516] Yeah.

[1517] These people sitting around, it looks like they're watching a baseball.

[1518] Is it a football game?

[1519] I think so, yeah.

[1520] Look at them.

[1521] They all have masks on.

[1522] Crazy.

[1523] But they still went to see the game.

[1524] You hear about the flu being down dramatically?

[1525] Look at these, all these players have masks on.

[1526] Isn't that nuts?

[1527] The football squad has masks on.

[1528] What year is that, Jamie?

[1529] I typed in Spanish flu sport football game because I remember seeing this picture, so it says it's 1918 over on this one too.

[1530] Wow, that's nuts.

[1531] So did they ultimately come up with a vaccine for the Spanish flu?

[1532] Look at that they're playing baseball with the fucking masks on.

[1533] Wow.

[1534] See, doesn't that seem fake to you?

[1535] I know it's real.

[1536] Yeah.

[1537] But it seems like, what?

[1538] I never saw these before.

[1539] Like, nobody ever, that guy's a rebel.

[1540] See that guy right there?

[1541] He's on parlor.

[1542] He doesn't wear a mask.

[1543] I feel like I also saw something that was like, this was not actual.

[1544] They didn't wear a mask, but like I couldn't, I don't know which was accurate.

[1545] I think we got to stop people from wearing masks in their Twitter profiles.

[1546] Fuck, stop.

[1547] That's basically the same thing as your pronouns in your bio.

[1548] It's basically the exact same thing.

[1549] Stop letting everybody else know that you're a good person.

[1550] If you want to be a good person, just go be a good person.

[1551] Some people do podcasts with masks on.

[1552] I've seen that.

[1553] Really?

[1554] Mm -hmm.

[1555] Oh, yeah.

[1556] Oh, yeah.

[1557] Oh, my God.

[1558] Oh, yeah.

[1559] See, by the way, this is what I hate all of this shit where it's like, how about like, and this is one of the things that I hate about like wokeism in general, too, is that it lets everybody kind of like pretend they're, like, let everyone else know they're a good person, but you don't actually have to do shit.

[1560] Do you see Kamala Harris at one of the press conferences wearing a mask while she was talking?

[1561] One of her speeches, she had a mask on while she was speaking.

[1562] there's so many things that are so weird about this whole response where you're like that doesn't even make sense even by your own logic you know one's near you did you see when they're on a podium so they canceled the second debate between Trump and Biden and then they both had live events the night of the debate like they just both had an event he did one with Trump did one with NBC and Biden did one with CNN you guys so fucking like get on a plane and fucking debate each other like what are you doing well I think the first one was so aggressive.

[1563] What Trump did was so disruptive and aggressive that it was a bad strategy.

[1564] Yes.

[1565] And I think the second one was brilliant.

[1566] If he did in the first one, what he did in the second one, I think you would have much more momentum coming into the election.

[1567] Or maybe if he had had the middle one, so there were three debates, you know?

[1568] Like if that one hadn't been canceled, he would have had two more opportunities.

[1569] What was the third one?

[1570] Well, the third one was the one you're talking about.

[1571] The second one.

[1572] Yeah.

[1573] Let's just talk about the actual debates.

[1574] No, but I'm just saying like maybe if he had had another debate where he could have handled it the way he did in that second one also maybe if he had two performances like that right helped him a little bit right but i see what you're saying yeah if he just did that in the first without the bad one without the interrupty one that was just so hard to listen to it was like i was like god damn because you know that was when there was talk about like trump was tweeting that he wanted to come on here and have me and him and biden talked for four hours and i was like what would I do if he was doing that?

[1575] I would have to stop him.

[1576] I would have to say, hey, man, sir, I understand you're the president, Mr. Trump.

[1577] You can't do that because you got to let the guy talk and then don't say anything and then you talk.

[1578] Like, this is the only way this is going to work.

[1579] Yeah, but I think you would have handled it like that in a way better way than Chris Wallace.

[1580] He was doing the best he could.

[1581] And he's also, he's got 90 minutes, which is preposterous, and they have two minutes to answer questions, which is ridiculous.

[1582] These are really important questions.

[1583] Like, why do you have two minutes?

[1584] Like, what if after two minutes, like, I think I got a better way to say that.

[1585] No, shut the fuck up.

[1586] Stop.

[1587] Two minutes are over.

[1588] Sir, your time is up?

[1589] Your time is up?

[1590] Like, what, what kind of, why is there a race?

[1591] It's insane.

[1592] It makes no sense at all.

[1593] And that's one of my favorite things about this show is that you've almost proven.

[1594] I think it's part of the reason why so many, so many of those establishment types, like resent you a lot for it, is that you've proven that their whole model is stupid.

[1595] Like, this model is stupid.

[1596] You have a show where people need time to unpack things and have a long conversation.

[1597] If you're talking, about really serious complex issues.

[1598] The idea that we're debating who gets to have the nuclear football, but we've got to do it in this limited time, and you'll have 30 seconds each.

[1599] It's also important that they don't know what they're going to talk about.

[1600] That's important too.

[1601] One of the important things about podcasts is there's no one ever sits down with like, okay, we're going to hit this and then we're going to hit that.

[1602] Alex Jones tried to.

[1603] The producer, well, he had things that he wanted to talk about that were important.

[1604] Yeah, that he felt were important.

[1605] But that's not what you're saying.

[1606] saying you're talking about more of like the scripted kind of like i'm talking about me bringing things up with them like if if i said sir your job reform or you know the job numbers and have elevated what do you attribute that to like that kind of shit where they get to prepare if you have enough time to let these guys talk just talk and no pressure whatsoever on figuring out how to answer a sentence or a subject rather coherently you're going to get to a better understanding of who that person is.

[1607] Now, with Trump, everybody thinks they already have a good understanding of who he is.

[1608] Because he goes in these long, rambling, self -serving diatribes about subjects.

[1609] But to have, just to see that, if you get him to calm down a little and see Biden and him talking through things, just let him talk.

[1610] Let him talk through things.

[1611] Let Biden say something about Trump.

[1612] Let Trump say something about Biden.

[1613] Don't say you only have two minutes.

[1614] Don't say any of that shit.

[1615] Just let him talk.

[1616] See what that.

[1617] See what happens.

[1618] God, I wish that would have happened.

[1619] That would have been fascinating.

[1620] That really would have been.

[1621] And by the way, I think Trump, because Trump is kind of a master troll, I think he knew that Biden would never agree to it.

[1622] And that's half the reason why he did it.

[1623] No, he would never fucking agree.

[1624] There's no way.

[1625] That would not have been good for Biden.

[1626] It would be so beneath him to come here, too.

[1627] Like, what are you doing?

[1628] But would it, though?

[1629] I mean, dude, you're fucking.

[1630] Well, yeah, I guess.

[1631] I think the corporate press would have lost their shit if they, because if they lose that to you, then they've just lost everything.

[1632] would you would you have trump on ex -president trump it doesn't seem like a smart move at this point but i think all of those like it like in a year i don't know we're talking a year that'd be great dude he's going to run again if he maybe they boot about office in 2024 he's going to start running in january and yeah he's going to run for four years he's going to talk shit for four years i have a feeling trump's uh they're going to really come after him in his post presidency i think he's going to get kicked off twitter i think he's going to get completely like the Alex Jones treatment on social media and I think that there's going to be they're legally going to try to come after him I think there's no way you're right they can't just let him they can't just let him be Trump which would be amazing but they can't just let him be Trump he's literally he could set up his own oval office and say I am the real president I'm the real president this is now the oval office and I'm I'm giving the military commands from here did he stole it from me didn't you have some wacky painting with like him sitting there and like all the other presidents behind him with like his their hands on his shoulder or something oh i don't remember am i remember i don't know this i think he had something in the oval office that was like really preposterous where people saw it and they're like what in the fuck are you doing just so there it is right there i mean they're all sitting around ronald regans at the table nixon's there lincoln he's uh he's next to eisenhower is he the only one of tie?

[1633] No, Eisenhower's a tie as well.

[1634] No, Eisenhower's in the yellow.

[1635] Roosevelt has a tie.

[1636] Yeah, Eisenhower's in the yellow.

[1637] Eisenhower's relaxed.

[1638] He's retired.

[1639] So is Reagan.

[1640] And there's GW in there.

[1641] Is that the painting that he has on his wall?

[1642] Trump Hank's fantasy painting with other GOP presidents at the White House.

[1643] Look at that.

[1644] So he's got this president of them all yuck, yuck, yucking away.

[1645] We're all having a great old time with you.

[1646] Oh, wow, Lincoln's there.

[1647] Oh, how weird is that?

[1648] Imagine they're all looking at Trump when Lincoln's alive you'd be like, hey man, what was it like in 1776?

[1649] You wouldn't be talking to Trump?

[1650] That's hilarious.

[1651] Him with his red tie.

[1652] They would all be staring at Lincoln going, Jesus.

[1653] How'd you get here?

[1654] What's going on, man?

[1655] Yeah, probably.

[1656] You'd be like, holy shit, Eisenhower's alive?

[1657] Holy shit, Lincoln.

[1658] Holy shit.

[1659] Yeah, you just pull Lincoln and Eisenhower aside.

[1660] Eisenhower's speech about the military industrial complex when he's leaving offices to this day one of the most chilling things I've ever seen it's right up there with Oppenheimer talking about quoting the Bhagavagata Gita after he detonated the bomb yeah it's like whoa yeah what is this thing like I am the maker of death or something like that well he quotes Shiva I am become death destroyer of worlds yeah yeah that is that's creepy but Eisenhower's thing I think I could be wrong about this but I believe that Trump went in the clip we played earlier is the second president to ever use the term military industrial complex I don't know I could be wrong about that but I've never heard another president say the term military industrial complex other than Eisenhower in his farewell address and and Trump and that and it was particularly you know crazy coming from Eisenhower who's the fucking general you know like he's the guy who led the victory in World War II, which leads to this creation of really what we know is the military industrial complex.

[1661] And even as he's going, he's like, listen, let me tell you something.

[1662] We've created something here that we've got to really worry about because we're not America anymore the way we've been before this.

[1663] Now we have a whole industry that's pushing toward war.

[1664] And we got to guard against this power and he specifically says sought or unsought.

[1665] There's a really interesting way to put it.

[1666] It's like, even if they're not trying to, there's kind of these natural forces of like, you're a weapons company, so what do you think?

[1667] Yeah.

[1668] You think we should have a bigger military budget or a smaller one?

[1669] Right.

[1670] Probably a bigger one, right?

[1671] And then it's like, so all of these forces.

[1672] And then the next president, after Eisenhower, is JFK, who, you know, some shit went down there too.

[1673] So it's wrapped it up real quick.

[1674] Yeah.

[1675] So there's just, there's a lot of really, you know, kind of interesting history there.

[1676] But that we, let's just say we didn't listen to Eisenhower and we did not guard against power sought by the military industrial complex.

[1677] Yeah.

[1678] It's such an interesting choice too because I guess he had the ability to say whatever he wanted in the nation's address being the president.

[1679] Like it seems pretty clear that he didn't have to run that by anyone.

[1680] And you wonder what do they have to run by now?

[1681] When you have the discussion where people say, oh, they always lie when they want to get into office, and then they get into office, they don't do shit.

[1682] They don't do any of the things they said they were going to do.

[1683] What happens when you get in there?

[1684] Is it like the Bill Hicks joke where they show you an angle of the Kennedy assassination?

[1685] And then you go, well, what's my agenda?

[1686] Is that it?

[1687] Or is it, do they show you a real model of the world that you're not privy to if you're not the president?

[1688] Do they sit you down and talk about all the threats and the problems and how it all really works and ties together?

[1689] Like, what is it?

[1690] And it's, you know, I don't know, but it's also possible that it's kind of somewhere in between where there's maybe they're not, you know, showing you the Kennedy assassination film like the great Bill Hicks joke.

[1691] But, you know, look, I know that Donald Trump got in there and he ran on we're ending all of these wars.

[1692] And that's it.

[1693] Now, you know, from like a Trumpian perspective, it wasn't like a Ron Paul, you know, like these wars kill all these innocent people it was like a Trump like this is bad business you know we're wasting money on these wars so we're ending them like I'm too smart for them uh trump is blasting the military industrial complex but he's one of its biggest boosters well that's that's true too that's that's for sure legit has made the purchase public display and foreign sales of military hardware a major priority of his administration yeah i found two articles that we're talking about like he says the stuff about the military industrial complex however his actions say it differently like he gave them more money than anybody ever Oh yeah no there were increased defense budgets under Donald Trump for sure right but they're also he's he do you think you really actually is trying to get out of these countries though I mean you could do both things right you can increase the defense budget but not do it in an offensive way increase it defensively increase the amount of money that you give to the troops their ability to fight ISIS the ability to make new weapons and innovate yeah you could do both things simultaneously right I think that at least from every I've read that he really is trying to get out of Afghanistan and that he really is trying to work out a deal to end that war.

[1694] Here it says the idea that Trump is taking on the defense and industrial base is pure fantasy a national security action.

[1695] National security action, a liberty advocacy group composed of former Obama administration staffer said on Tuesday.

[1696] All right, we're good, Jamie.

[1697] Shut that off.

[1698] But look, I mean, there is, I will say, though, to Trump's credit, he did avoid getting us in another war and there were some opportunities.

[1699] And he avoided, he flirted with it, certainly in Iran and really in Venezuela as well, but he never got us into that war.

[1700] And there were definitely a lot of people around him who really wanted him to get into those wars.

[1701] And he did avoid that.

[1702] But, you know, like when he first came in and he was running on, like, ending all of these wars, the guy, the military guy who he made his national security, advisor was Flynn.

[1703] Like that was his guy who was going to come in and lead us out of these wars.

[1704] And what happened immediately the NSA and the FBI targeted Flynn, got dirt on him, got him removed, and then they get somebody else in there.

[1705] So it might be also that they don't necessarily have to like threaten your family or show you the angle of JFK, but they could just be like, well, we're just going to remove all the people from your cabinet who we don't like, kind of get our people in there and keep the machine rolling.

[1706] That Flynn shit is spooky because you think that a guy gets to that level of the military he's immune to that not him no and he is from what I've heard like a little bit of a crazy guy but he was not working with the Russians that was just complete bullshit and they had nothing of the FBI completely set him up it's just so amazing that they can do that what's up Jamie I was just like I'd complete his member he wanted to run that parade where he did actually do it where he brought in all the tanks and missiles and troops and fucking show it off everything we have oh yeah Yeah, that was a big thing he wanted.

[1707] No, Trump was not.

[1708] Look at my cock.

[1709] Yeah, basically.

[1710] Look at my giant metal cock out there dragging it down the street.

[1711] That's basically what it all came down to.

[1712] Fuck, Dave.

[1713] It's so depressing.

[1714] What can you do?

[1715] What do you do?

[1716] What do you do?

[1717] What do I do?

[1718] Yeah, what do you do to avoid just getting sucked into this constant state?

[1719] Well, I...

[1720] Existential woe.

[1721] I got a perfect little two -year -old.

[1722] And, you know, I love my wife.

[1723] So, but that's, but really, that's the best you can do is try to, try to like, get good people around you in your life, be good to them, create your own little world as much as you can.

[1724] And then I think that you, like the best thing is to try to keep perspective that even with all the fucked up shit in the world, there's always been a ton of fucked up shit in the world.

[1725] And people have always, people have persevered through far worse than what we're going through.

[1726] right now and i think that's kind of the best out you know take to have that's what keeps me saying yeah right make your your little circle happy who who are you around the people you're around be kind be friendly have a good time be nice to each other enjoy your time together enjoy each other's company yeah just not this you know when you think about what you can do in terms of impacting the world or impacting the country It's real, it's a cliche to say start with the people that are around you.

[1727] It really is cliche, but it is kind of true because you do have a ripple effect on the way you treat people and the friendships you have and how it affects other people and the more good people that you're around, the more they affect other people.

[1728] There's really some kind of a ripple effect.

[1729] If we can get more people to adopt it, that's where mushroom legalization comes in.

[1730] Yeah.

[1731] Well, that's a, that's, they had some.

[1732] good uh they had some good victories for mushroom organ's like fuck it do coke yeah Oregon's like look if you're gonna light everything on fire all the time how about do mushrooms do whatever the fuck you want just stop lighting things on fire yeah but you know what it's the it's great that they did that and it's the smartest thing too yeah the the whole the the whole idea of drugs being illegal the war on drugs is so misguided and just awful and just ruins people's lives creates black markets leads to violent crime destroys neighborhoods It's at least, I'd say, probably 60 % of the entire immigration problem is just the war on drugs.

[1733] You know, they constantly, they'll be like, well, there's these gang members who are smuggling drugs over the borders.

[1734] And it's like, well, yeah, why?

[1735] Because there's a demand for them.

[1736] And it's a black market and it's illegal.

[1737] So this is where you get it from.

[1738] And, of course, there's crime associated with that too.

[1739] I mean, it's like, so it is the, and mushrooms is just the idea that it's illegal is insane.

[1740] I mean, it's like, first of all, you can't get addicted.

[1741] physically, I don't think you could get addicted.

[1742] Your body will reject it after a certain point of time.

[1743] It's never made anyone do anything fucking...

[1744] Well, people have done it.

[1745] Okay, maybe not.

[1746] That's an overstatement.

[1747] Especially broken people.

[1748] It's not a huge problem that people are taking mushrooms and committing violent crimes.

[1749] There's just really no justification for it.

[1750] Especially when there's alcohol all over the place.

[1751] Yeah, come on.

[1752] You fucking liquor stores every other corner.

[1753] It's too easy to get some drugs and impossible to get others.

[1754] And the fact that the ones that are super beneficial, like there's a stuff.

[1755] study that I posted the other day on my Instagram, that they show that psilocybin therapies four times more effective for treating depression than antidepressants that we're currently using.

[1756] Yeah.

[1757] I mean, there's the war on drugs, somebody wrote an article that the war on drugs was that drugs were a big winner in 2020 in the war on drugs.

[1758] Because of the elections, drugs won in a lot of places, like legalize marijuana in New Jersey, Montana, Portland says, fuck it.

[1759] Let's go with everything.

[1760] I think...

[1761] The drugs have fought a real guerrilla strategy in the war on drugs.

[1762] It's been 40 years of the cops just kicking their fucking ass.

[1763] But drugs never gave up.

[1764] They always hung in there.

[1765] They disappear.

[1766] And then they come back strong.

[1767] Like, what drugs have gone down in usage?

[1768] What, wait?

[1769] And during the war on drugs, what drugs have people, maybe heroin, not even heroin because of pills, like shooting up, maybe?

[1770] Yeah.

[1771] I mean, I don't even know.

[1772] Are you shooting out?

[1773] Clay, Lou, there's some things that have gone away that were really popular in past.

[1774] Yeah, but I think it's unrelated to the legality of it.

[1775] I mean, I think these things kind of ebb and flow, right?

[1776] Like there was like crack cocaine came and kind of left and then heroin like got big again, but they were all illegal the whole time.

[1777] It's not like they were gone because they're illegal.

[1778] People who are doing heroin, people who are throwing their lives away with really hard drugs are not affected by a law.

[1779] And people who would never do heroin are not going to start doing heroin.

[1780] because it's legal.

[1781] Do you remember just say no?

[1782] Oh, yeah.

[1783] You're a younger man. I was young for that, but I do remember it, yeah.

[1784] I remember, I believe I was in high school.

[1785] I remember it was around, maybe I was early 20s, but I remember seeing that call, what in the fuck did you just say?

[1786] Just say no?

[1787] Oh, you fixed it.

[1788] We didn't know.

[1789] I didn't know.

[1790] I didn't know you could just say no. If only someone had given me this tool.

[1791] There's certain things in the past that are just like, you look back, you'll, what?

[1792] Do you remember the yellow, the codes for like what?

[1793] the possibility of a terrorist attack we're in code orange i'd go oh shit it's code orange what does that mean and it was so much just to keep everyone in a state of fear oh oh do you guys see we went from orange to red today oh shit we're code red what do they know that we don't know that's what california is in now for the covid stuff like they're in purple whatever like purple is your dick because you eat your blue balls turned your dick gang green it won't let you leave the house for eight months but it is it's always like when when you've got like a decade to To look back at the shit, that's when you always see how full of shit the government was.

[1794] Like, oh, they were so full of shit about that.

[1795] They're full.

[1796] That's what you look back and you see, you know, Dick Cheney going, we're going to find those weapons of mass destruction.

[1797] They're here somewhere and you're like, oh, he was just lying to all of us.

[1798] This was complete bullshit.

[1799] What was it, was it Colin Powell that said the proof might come in the form of a mushroom cloud?

[1800] I believe that was Condoleezza Rice who said that.

[1801] But Colin Powell went to the UN with drawings of Saddam, who's, Usain's mobile W -M -D, like, fucking trucks or something.

[1802] And he was like, this is where they go down here.

[1803] And this is where they go down.

[1804] It's just all made up, nonsense, but just, like, really selling it.

[1805] Like, really.

[1806] I wonder what they told him.

[1807] I wonder if he believed it while he was saying it, you know?

[1808] Because he didn't seem like the type of guy be lying about something like that.

[1809] But then they always, he's like the one that they kind of, like, vindicate later.

[1810] Like, he's supposed to be the good one.

[1811] He never, you know, behind closed doors, he really.

[1812] never wanted this war.

[1813] It's like, but then he went and sold it to everybody.

[1814] Wouldn't that make him even worse?

[1815] Like, I mean, look, you can resign.

[1816] Like, that is an option.

[1817] You don't have to just go like, well, I'm against this, but they want me to sell a war based on lies.

[1818] So, got to be a team player and go, you know, get the country in a war.

[1819] How about don't do that?

[1820] Do you think that he ever really did believe it, though?

[1821] Was there maybe a time where he got the evidence and he was like, oh, shit, this is real?

[1822] I don't know.

[1823] I think that, um, I think that, um, He was, you know, he was a part of the first Iraq war and I think that there's their my guess is that there might be part of him who really wanted to go fucking take Saddam out as you could imagine if you were leading a military invasion and some of your men were killed by this guy even though not too many were killed, but I'm sure you'd have a personal a personal thing and so I think that might have been part of it.

[1824] I think they all you know you can't remove it from the context that George H .W. Bush's you know, presidency, they fought a war in Iraq.

[1825] And then W's in there.

[1826] And now all of a sudden basically was handed a blank check for war.

[1827] Like, well, 9 -11 just happened.

[1828] What do you want?

[1829] What war do you want?

[1830] You got it.

[1831] Because whatever one you decide, but make it a good one, you know.

[1832] Do you remember how many people were behind it, though?

[1833] Oh, yeah.

[1834] Oh, my God.

[1835] It was a blind patriotism time.

[1836] Folks who don't remember, are you too young?

[1837] In 2001, when the Iraq war hit before, excuse me when 9 -11 hit we were overwhelmed by American flags on cars it was crazy like it was way way different than anything I had seen before you drive to work and everyone would have an American flag on their car I was like I remember looking around going whoa this is nuts but there was also this weird feeling of unity like people were letting people in front of them in their lane there was this weird feeling of we're together well it's a really it's really interesting that you say that because you're right it was the most unified we've ever been and that almost is the other part that unity isn't necessarily good like unity can go in some bad places too so you know what joe biden's call for unity now well we had real unity uh after 9 -11 i mean as much as you you could have and what we did was basically get behind george w bush as he ruined the 21st century we thought we were getting behind george w bush because we thought there was weapons of mass destruction in iraq and he was going to go in there take him out.

[1838] Yeah, but it's much easier.

[1839] When everybody's unified and behind a leader, it's much easier to be persuaded that he's doing this great thing for all of us.

[1840] And yeah, I think people were behind him for somewhat noble reasons.

[1841] Like, yeah, we're going to go get the guys who got us.

[1842] And by the end of George Bush's, you know, like nowadays, looking back at George Bush, it's hard for people who were like young then or weren't alive then to even imagine that he was a really popular president.

[1843] Because by the end, he had given us two disastrous wars and the worst economy.

[1844] Well, he was really popular right after 9 -11.

[1845] Uh -huh.

[1846] Yeah.

[1847] Like, he gave a great speech in New York.

[1848] I loved him then.

[1849] Yeah, I was in.

[1850] Yeah, we were all in.

[1851] Do you remember we had that mission accomplished banner over that?

[1852] Yeah.

[1853] And everybody was like, what the fuck he talking about?

[1854] We're still there.

[1855] And we're still there.

[1856] Yeah.

[1857] We're still there now.

[1858] Mission accomplished.

[1859] Yeah.

[1860] What's the mission?

[1861] Well, I suppose he could say we took out Saddam Hussein.

[1862] Yeah.

[1863] I mean, if that was the mission, like, okay.

[1864] I was watching Saddam Hussein's trial yesterday.

[1865] Oh, yeah?

[1866] I watched it on YouTube, it popped up, and then we watched this.

[1867] It was wild.

[1868] He's screaming at the judge?

[1869] He's screaming at the judge.

[1870] He's one of his guys who works for him is in his underwear.

[1871] Like, it was so strange.

[1872] And he's screaming at the God that he wouldn't, that judge, that he wouldn't let them have a prayer break.

[1873] Or do you remember, do you ever see that part where he's like, we should have a prayer break now?

[1874] And he's like, this is a court of law?

[1875] And he's like, is this greater than Allah?

[1876] And like, yelling at it, but it's really weird.

[1877] It's crazy to imagine.

[1878] Doesn't he look secular, though?

[1879] His administration was.

[1880] Well, relatively for that part of the world, but he was still, you know, like, I mean, it's, they're, they're all Muslims, you know, and like he, but it was really crazy to think this dictator who ruled over this country with an iron fist is now sitting there with a judge, you know, like telling him what to do.

[1881] And it's just a very weird fucking dynamic.

[1882] Yeah.

[1883] But that war really fucking destroyed the fucking region, man. Yeah.

[1884] It was such a bad idea to fucking overthrow Saddam Hussein.

[1885] It was like the worst foreign policy decision.

[1886] Forget even just like the like, oh, this is evil.

[1887] We're going to kill all these innocent people.

[1888] Just the like you are going to destroy this region and just throw it into chaos.

[1889] And isn't it weird that the idea of overthrowing an evil dictator can be a bad idea?

[1890] Yeah.

[1891] It's weird, right?

[1892] Or you say like, well, you know, I don't necessarily agree that we're the police force of the world but I do think that if anybody's going to do it it's going to be the United States right so let's go in and take out this bad guy but it's not that simple not at all not at all yeah no when and even like supporting a dictator sometimes is like the best option in terms of like the loss of overall life that's the best which is a really weird decision like you have to you have to support someone who you know is terrorizing their people because if you don't then you get what's in Libya.

[1893] Which is like a failed state.

[1894] Yeah.

[1895] It's a crazy place.

[1896] So much worse for the, for regular people than it was under Gaddafi.

[1897] Do you remember the video of them capturing Gaddafi when a guy shoves a knife up his ass?

[1898] Yep.

[1899] And he's just standing there.

[1900] He's in such shock.

[1901] Dragging him, beating him, sodomizing him.

[1902] Yeah.

[1903] He realized that they had him.

[1904] Yeah.

[1905] And he realized that they had him.

[1906] And he's surrounded by all these people and just look, just full shock.

[1907] The guy shoves a knife up his ass.

[1908] Yeah Like you see the guy do it And he's standing there like Oh this knife goes off Is that it's like What Imagine This country that you've ruled over For decades And then fucking Just all of a sudden They've got you He ruled over when I was a kid Yeah Yeah He was the boogeyman for a while They put him in place Right The United States put him in place I feel like I'm not sure I'm not sure about that There was something Either he Or we supported him Once he got in the place We supported him At one period In fact, we were working with him after 9 -11.

[1909] He was really cooperating with the George W. Bush administration.

[1910] He was ratting out terrorists, giving us the fucking terrorists.

[1911] He turned over all his chemical weapons and stuff.

[1912] He wanted to play ball.

[1913] He saw what the Bush administration was doing.

[1914] And he was like, okay, I'm getting on team America here.

[1915] And that didn't do any good for him.

[1916] One of my favorite Hillary Clinton videos was her laughing after he was dead.

[1917] Yeah.

[1918] Her going, we came, we saw he died.

[1919] Yeah, it's like, hey, Hillary.

[1920] Like one of her handlers has to be like, hey, we're reminding you.

[1921] You're trying to convince these people you're human.

[1922] Yeah, it is this guy's, is it a stick?

[1923] I don't think so.

[1924] It's a knife?

[1925] I think so.

[1926] Whatever, he's shoving something up is.

[1927] It's a frame -by -frame breakdown.

[1928] Ass.

[1929] And that is a knife.

[1930] Yeah, that's all that was.

[1931] Let me do that again, right up his ass.

[1932] Like, dude, I'm going to be the guy.

[1933] You know how they have that flag is planted in Iwo Jima and all the troops?

[1934] And they're standing there holding up that flag?

[1935] I wonder if where that guy lives.

[1936] They got a bronze statue of him with the knife Going right up Saddam Hussein's asshole Yeah, Gaddafi's.

[1937] Oh, excuse me, Gaddafi.

[1938] Gaddafi's asshole.

[1939] Yeah, I don't think so because the country's completely been destroyed since then.

[1940] So if they did have that statue, it's probably fallen down and been melted and...

[1941] Yeah, turn into bullets.

[1942] Yeah, turn into bullets.

[1943] Did you see the slave trade on YouTube where you could watch the videos?

[1944] From Libya, yeah.

[1945] insane.

[1946] Like slave auctions.

[1947] And this was, by the way, this whole thing we're talking about overthrowing Gaddafi, destroying the country, leading to the open -air slave trade markets.

[1948] This was all done under Obama's administration, with Hillary Clinton pushing for it, with Joe Biden as the vice president.

[1949] So again, just the idea that we're like, oh, yay, Trump's gone and we've returned to normal.

[1950] All right.

[1951] But if normal is, you know, getting us into wars in Libya, in Syria, in Yemen, continuing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[1952] There's some pretty negative aspects to normal.

[1953] So what, let's play not even devil's advocate, but let's imagine, what do you do if you don't help them overthrow Libya?

[1954] If you do decide this guy's an evil dictator and has been for decades, you want to get them out, but what do you do?

[1955] Do you fund the people that are trying to get them out?

[1956] If that doesn't work, and what if it does work?

[1957] And they get them out and they kill them like they did.

[1958] How do you ensure that democracy gets?

[1959] instituted when it's never been successful anywhere else that we've overthrown is there one place that we've overthrown they're like look at them now they're doing great uh Germany and Japan uh that would be that would be the examples right in Germany and Japan however in order to achieve that we had to fight the bloodiest war in human history and straight up target civilians I mean in order to achieve that we had to just straight up be like yeah we're dropping bombs on women and children intentionally not like their collateral damage Like, we're nuking cities in Japan.

[1960] And that seems, like, that doesn't seem like it's going to be achieved in the Middle East.

[1961] I think the idea that we can do anything to ensure that there's a fair democratic process in Libya is just so beyond absurdity.

[1962] We are having trouble doing that here.

[1963] Like, Washington, D .C., Washington has a huge crime problem.

[1964] These politicians can't even figure out crime in Washington, D .C. The idea that they're going to take on the crime problem in Libya is like so beyond absurd.

[1965] I just think like this country was never founded to be the policemen of the world.

[1966] We're not supposed to be an empire, even though we are.

[1967] It's empires crumble and die.

[1968] We need to entirely, particularly now when we have so many problems at home, entirely get out of the empire business.

[1969] We can try to like spread good ideas, be a city on a hill, be like, hey, guys, this is a better way to run society.

[1970] but the idea that we have to get into the internal politics of whether Libya has a dictator or a democracy or like democracy is not necessarily any better of a situation if 60 % of the people there want to kill the other 40 % democracy ain't going to work out very well and give everybody a vote who are they going to vote for so what do you do you just hope they figured it out on their own yeah I think so but I mean look it's not it's like that's just the way the world works I don't think we we we I don't think we have a right to impose our will on other people, and I don't think it's effective to impose our will on other people.

[1971] Then look at the results.

[1972] We're just wasted trillions of dollars.

[1973] We don't have, for all of these post -9 -11 wars, we don't have one victory to show, even anything that's even remotely close to a victory.

[1974] Every one of the countries we've been in is worse off now than it was before.

[1975] We got into them.

[1976] Afghanistan's worse, Iraq's worse.

[1977] Libya's worse.

[1978] Syria's worse.

[1979] Yemen is way, way worse.

[1980] So it's just...

[1981] Outside of Libya and Yemen, is it possible to say that the rest of the world is better off the way Iraq is and the way Afghanistan is today?

[1982] Iran is better off, for sure.

[1983] Iran is better off.

[1984] They've taken over complete influence of that region.

[1985] So the enemies of our enemies are our enemies.

[1986] And now there are enemies again.

[1987] Now that's the problem that basically that's the problem that since the end of the Bush administration, all through the Obama administration, and.

[1988] and into Trump is that now their big problem was, you know, Iran just has all this influence in the region.

[1989] What are we going to do about that?

[1990] It's like, well, maybe if you didn't fucking fight a war on behalf of Iran, then they wouldn't have so much influence.

[1991] So there are winners, like, to all of this stuff.

[1992] Honestly, you know the big winner is?

[1993] The biggest winner of all of this says this is Osama bin Laden.

[1994] He got exactly what he wanted.

[1995] He drew America into these fucking conflicts.

[1996] This was literally his plan was, we could never destroy America, but we could lure America into the Middle East and make themselves, spend themselves into debt, you know, like unravel their whole, extend themselves way too far militarily.

[1997] This is how you get empires to collapse.

[1998] This was his plan.

[1999] Well, that was how they got rid of the Soviet Union, right?

[2000] Yeah, we and our CIA taught him how to do it.

[2001] Yeah, when he was with the, uh, the Mujahajan, yeah, yeah, when the Soviet Union was occupying Afghanistan and they couldn't figure it out.

[2002] And they were like, we got this.

[2003] We'll figure it out to do it right.

[2004] Yeah.

[2005] It's, it's just, No one ever gets it right after you get rid of a dictator.

[2006] Like, we don't have any examples other than Hitler, right?

[2007] Yeah, well, it's, I mean, I'm sure there are other examples of getting rid of a dictator, but usually it has to come from the people.

[2008] Right.

[2009] Kind of like, you know, like realizing they want something better.

[2010] But of us getting rid of someone, is there any time that the United States overthrew a dictator and then everything got better?

[2011] Yeah, I mean, again, I guess Japan, if.

[2012] if you consider the emperor or whatever to be a dictator.

[2013] But didn't he just bowed down, right?

[2014] Didn't he just surrender?

[2015] Was he still in charge?

[2016] No. And I don't know that he ever was really in charge.

[2017] The different culture.

[2018] Yeah, it's a very different culture.

[2019] It's a different circumstance.

[2020] And also, but look, like the thing you were saying, the problem with overthrowing a dictator is that, and it's something that people should consider in a lot of these situations, that things can be worse.

[2021] You know, like, I mean, maybe sometimes it couldn't be much worse.

[2022] You know what I mean?

[2023] Yeah.

[2024] Okay, you're not going to get much worse than Hitler or Stalin.

[2025] I mean, I guess, but, hard to imagine.

[2026] But they would say, like, we went to war in World War I with the, you know, the precursor to Nazi Germany.

[2027] And, you know, there's that.

[2028] And it's not to say that there weren't any problems in like the Prussian Empire or in the German monarchs or anything like that.

[2029] But you could go, well, look, they're a bad guy.

[2030] We're going to get rid of them.

[2031] It's like, okay, well, look at what you have now.

[2032] It's really amazing that we've only dropped two nuclear bombs.

[2033] The two atomic bombs have gone off.

[2034] You want so on that?

[2035] Yeah.

[2036] It's kind of amazing that no other country's ever done that.

[2037] Well, it's also because then the Soviets figured out the nuclear bomb and then ever since there was more than one country.

[2038] The only time nukes have ever been dropped is when only one country had nukes.

[2039] And so there is something there about like the fact that people are scared to death of someone else also using nukes.

[2040] And we've also never been to direct war with a nuclear armed power.

[2041] We don't fuck with people with nukes.

[2042] No, mutually assured destruction is real.

[2043] Oh yeah.

[2044] It really does make people act in a certain way.

[2045] which is really, you know, in some ways, counterintuitive because you'd think, oh, there's more nukes in the world, there's going to be more nuclear attacks in the world.

[2046] But actually, it turns out that the elites of this world have a lot more in common with each other than they do with me or you.

[2047] And so they kind of all have this gentleman's agreement where it's like, look, we'll have our soldiers go out and kill each other.

[2048] But let's not do anything that like, even in the Cold War, they'd be like, we'll fight it out in Vietnam.

[2049] But like, no one's going to Russia.

[2050] no one's coming to America.

[2051] We're not going to actually, you know, do something where we could get fucked over.

[2052] What I was getting to is I wonder if that's always going to be the case, because here we are, you know, obviously 1947, that wasn't about, dropped the bombs?

[2053] 45.

[2054] So it's quite a while ago.

[2055] Yeah.

[2056] But not in the terms of like the age of the earth.

[2057] Not at all.

[2058] In terms of history, you know, in historical times, if you look back on, you know, seven, you know, seven.

[2059] 1745 versus 1820 it doesn't it's not that big of a difference it's not that when you go to 1545 to 16 20 in your eyes it's like the same time yeah like how that's so long there's world war two vets who are alive right now 15 45 1445 to 15 20 like ain't shit that's nothing yeah so it could happen again oh yeah the way we look at COVID now the way we look at a pandemic now having just gone through it we We could be looking at a nuclear holocaust the same way.

[2060] We could be looking at someone detonating a bomb in Chicago.

[2061] We could be looking at the possibility that we are really locked down, like there really are draconian measures to ensure safety and security because they have detonated a nuclear bomb in an American city.

[2062] Right now that sounds like horseshit.

[2063] Yeah, but the idea of World War II or World War I would have sounded crazy to people before it happened and then it really all happened and then not only did they go to world war one then they did it again yeah 20 years later they just went up we're doing it again which is for us the year 2000 which is like yes yes that's right yeah so it really never stopped yeah that's right i mean it's like even when uh you you think about like um you know like the beef with iran or something like that and they'll be like a you know like the CIA overthrew their government in 1953 and then in 1979 they overthrew that government and they've basically hated America ever since, you know?

[2064] And you're like, but 1953 to 1979, that's like Bill Clinton to now.

[2065] Yeah.

[2066] Like, I remember Bill Clinton's presidency.

[2067] Yeah.

[2068] I mean, like, you know, it's a while ago, but it's like, no, if someone like just some other government overthrew Bill Clinton, I'd still remember that right now.

[2069] I'd be like, yeah, these motherfuckers came in and like through, overthrew our government.

[2070] Yeah, it's just so easy for us to get used to what we're used to.

[2071] Yeah.

[2072] Do you ever hear the Albert Einstein quote, which I might butcher?

[2073] But it was something like, he said, he goes, I don't know what weapons will be used to fight World War III, but World War IV will certainly be fought with rocks and sticks.

[2074] Yeah.

[2075] There's something like that.

[2076] I might be bludging it a little.

[2077] It's basically like, at this point, we're at a place where we really can't war.

[2078] It's war is end game.

[2079] I mean, war with like Russia or China or anyone like that.

[2080] That's even like when people are like, oh, we got to get China back for what they did with this virus.

[2081] It's like, okay.

[2082] But our options are limited.

[2083] Yeah.

[2084] When you got countries with a whole bunch of H -bombs, your options are limited as to what you can do.

[2085] Putin, World War III, wipe out civilization, Putin warned adding World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.

[2086] Oh, he's a hack.

[2087] Did Putin just steal Einstein's quote?

[2088] I think he's probably purposely quoted it.

[2089] That'd be kind of great if Putin was just like, I just thought of that.

[2090] Maybe he's doing that like in an homage to Joe Biden.

[2091] Biden's been busted plagiarizing a bunch of times.

[2092] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[2093] I think our version of what's possible is based entirely on what we've experienced.

[2094] I mean, just like we never remembered those photos of those people with masks on in 1918.

[2095] You know, our version of reality pre -COVID has been forever altered now that we know that COVID exists.

[2096] Yeah.

[2097] And there's so many other things that could happen to us.

[2098] This is the thing we're so fragile.

[2099] We always hear about these comets that are whizzing by and these asteroids that get really close to Earth.

[2100] one of those motherfuckers could slam into us and I've had some people on that have studied their whole life versions of these scenarios where civilization has been forced to repeat itself because of the fact that we were hit and that this has probably happened multiple times over the ascension of human civilization and that it's one of the reasons why you have these ancient structures in Egypt that are very different in the way they're constructed.

[2101] versus the ones from Cleopatra's era or versus the ones from like the time where they built the Great Pyramid of Giza.

[2102] Right.

[2103] And isn't there like, because I remember reading about this like a decade ago, so I might not know that much about it.

[2104] But isn't there stuff about like the water erosion on the sphinx or something like that where they can't figure out how this lines up with the time period?

[2105] Because you're like, this is from like way older.

[2106] You have that great bit about it in talking monkeys in space.

[2107] But that whole thing that's like, yeah.

[2108] But in all seriousness, it does seem like there's pretty strong indications that civilization is much older than the official history books of like it starts in ancient senior six thousand years ago.

[2109] Graham Hancock has spent a giant chunk of his life talking about this and he brought in Dr. Robert Schock, who's a geologist from Boston University and John Anthony West, who's a late great Egyptologist on the podcast a couple of times.

[2110] And they are all committed to this idea that it's very likely that, that what we see in Egypt, in terms of things that they can date to 2000 BC, this is just one era, and that there's likely multiple eras before that.

[2111] And the big one, the big piece of evidence is the water erosion in the Temple of the Great Sphinx, because they know that they cut these stones out in order to create the Sphinx, but there's massive water erosion on these rocks, and the last time there was significant rainfall in the Nile Valley was 9 ,000 BC.

[2112] So instead of 2 ,500 BC, now it's 9 ,000 BC, and then they have to think, well, this is thousands of years of rainfall that caused this erosion.

[2113] So we might be talking 10 ,000, 11 ,000 BC.

[2114] So they don't really know when all this happened, but they do think that it coincides with the end of the ice age.

[2115] At the end of the ice age, there's a dramatic climate change that's somewhere around 12 ,000 years ago, which would put it around 10 ,000.

[2116] BC.

[2117] Somewhere around 12 ,000 years ago, this is where Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock and a bunch of others have really gotten into this younger, driest impact theory.

[2118] And that is somewhere between 12 ,000 and 10 ,000 -ish years ago, and it might have been multiple occasions.

[2119] We were hit.

[2120] And that this was essentially a restart of civilization in a lot of areas and an end to the Ice Age in a lot of areas as well.

[2121] And Randall Carlson's work is fucking spectacular.

[2122] When he showed you these images that indicate massive melting of ice over a spectacular landscape in a really amazingly short period of time, like a couple days worth of water pouring through like fucking trillions of gallons, permanently moving the landscape, changing it, moving stones.

[2123] And he has all these images.

[2124] And what's even crazier is he got this idea when he was looking at this one area on acid once.

[2125] And he was like, what happened here?

[2126] And he got this idea.

[2127] He's like, what is this?

[2128] And then he starts researching the end of the eye search.

[2129] And he starts researching common impacts.

[2130] And then they start finding all this corresponding evidence when they do core samples.

[2131] So he's doing core samples and they find all this iridium and all this nuclear glass, impact glass.

[2132] They find all this shit around the same area around 12 ,000 years ago.

[2133] And they're like, oh my God.

[2134] And so he starts, he's a brilliant guy.

[2135] And he can talk about this forever.

[2136] And they think that it's highly likely that there was not just here, but in many parts of the world, there was massive impacts that probably didn't kill everybody, but probably basically shut down all progress for who knows how many hundreds, if not thousands of years.

[2137] And then what you're seeing, when you're looking at 2 ,500 BC and all their amazing structures was the knowledge they had left and a lot of that was lost to the Library of Alexandria getting burnt down, right?

[2138] So the stuff that they built later is spectacular, but they had been building pretty amazing shit for most likely thousands of years before we thought they were.

[2139] Yeah.

[2140] Maybe we're due for a reset.

[2141] Well, that's the scary thing, right?

[2142] You see some really fucking really retarded shit that people are saying out there?

[2143] You're like, maybe that's the right thing.

[2144] Maybe we're due for a nice old -fashioned reset.

[2145] Well, Douglas Murray, who I had on the podcast, said that when civilizations start crumbling, that's when people get obsessed with gender.

[2146] And I said, really?

[2147] And he goes, yeah, he goes, it's in ancient Rome and ancient Greece.

[2148] There's like a lot of transvestites and a lot of people swapping genders and change.

[2149] It's almost like a dissolving of all classifications and barriers and all the things that we took for granted as society.

[2150] When society really starts falling apart, they start questioning every last fiber of, of what it means to be a person and what it means to fit into the culture.

[2151] Well, you know, I like, like I became like politically radicalized from Ron Paul's campaigns.

[2152] Like that's really where I got, when I got interested in politics, was like around 2007, 2008 when he was running for president.

[2153] And I just love, still this day, love the guy.

[2154] I think he's like the greatest hero ever.

[2155] But he would always talk about how like, look, we're on basically this path toward national suicide.

[2156] My word, it's not his.

[2157] But he'd be like, we're on this unsustainable path where we're spending, way more than we can afford to spend we're way too extended militarily and this is how nations collapse and this is like it's going to happen if we keep going this way.

[2158] So I always kind of had that view in my head and then to see what's happened with all the cultural stuff over the last, you know, like 10 years while all of that other stuff is going on too.

[2159] And you're like this really feels like the end of an empire.

[2160] Like a collapsing empire.

[2161] It really feels like that.

[2162] Well they taught us that in school that all empires eventually collapse.

[2163] I mean whether it's ancient Greece, ancient Rome, all these empires yeah they all controlled everything and they they all eventually fell apart and it's under very similar circumstances like they're extended too far they spend themselves too far into debt they can't maintain it anymore the culture kind of collapses like decadence and all this other shit and it does seem like we have a lot of that oh yeah yeah but but that that isn't necessarily bad like sometimes empires collapse and it's actually it's okay for the people in that country.

[2164] I mean, like, it was okay for England when the British Empire collapsed.

[2165] I mean, World War II was bad.

[2166] But the afterward, you know, there's still an okay country.

[2167] For the Soviet Union, that collapsing was the best thing that ever happened.

[2168] You know, that's weird.

[2169] Those arguments are always strange, right?

[2170] Because that's the same argument they used about Genghis Khan opening up the path for trade.

[2171] You know, he killed 10 % of the population.

[2172] Well, yes.

[2173] In the long run, look.

[2174] But you got a new rug.

[2175] Yeah, it's good.

[2176] You get a nice statue.

[2177] who would really love this rug.

[2178] Oh, he's dead.

[2179] Whoops.

[2180] Forget it.

[2181] Does Rand Paul share most of Ron Paul's ideas?

[2182] Hmm.

[2183] I don't know.

[2184] I mean, I think probably a lot, you know?

[2185] He is his son.

[2186] I know Ron Paul made him read all the right stuff of growing up, you know.

[2187] But he definitely has some areas of disagreement.

[2188] And he's also just a different, I think he's a different person and his different, you know, strengths and weaknesses and wasn't quite as a charismatic wasn't as charismatic wasn't as much of a happy warrior Ron Paul was really he really enjoyed going out there and telling people the truth as he saw it and talking to people and just and he didn't really care if you know it was always kind of like Ron Paul would say things at the Republican debates and it'd be like hey look you guys might boo me out of the arena and that's fine I'm going to go home to my family and I told the truth it's the truth whether you like it or not and that's fine you can do that and i'll leave and rand always i think it bothered him a little bit more and um but you know rand is i i think for to me like one of the best senators and i think he's done a lot he did a lot to really push donald trump on um uh the uh the criminal criminal justice reform uh he's tried his best to push him on ending the wars i don't know how successful he's been at that but uh but i don't know that he's going to inspire people in the same way his father did i hope he does someone has to but isn't that what we're always looking for we're always looking for a hero when really we need a decentralized government well yeah but that doesn't that doesn't mean you can't have leaders or somebody who like kind of we're done with leaders we're done with leaders dave tried it out it doesn't work well but i don't mean there's a difference between leaders and rulers right like you don't want a ruler right but there's there's people who inspire you who you learn from and stuff like that you want to you want a leader that doesn't want to be a ruler.

[2189] Yes, exactly.

[2190] That's what Ron Paul was.

[2191] Yeah.

[2192] Isn't that the problem, though?

[2193] The problem is they get into power.

[2194] This is one we're seeing with low -level people like governors.

[2195] Like the worst governors, they just, you know, there's all these lawsuits against Newsom and he lost one of them recently because he's an autocrat now.

[2196] He's telling people what they can do.

[2197] He's writing legislation.

[2198] Did you see when Tucker Carlson had Governor Murphy from New Jersey?

[2199] on his show and he and it was it was like right at the height of COVID like I think it might have been in May or something like that but it was still like you know pretty new no I didn't see it and so like everyone's no one's given I didn't see in one tough interview with one of these governors like every time they came on some news show it was just like oh my god you're saving all these lives and you're wonderful and thank you for all of this and then they have their press conferences they take some questions but it wasn't Tucker just starts grilling this guy and he asked him at one point he goes okay so recently there was like like a church service that you shut down and you arrested four Jewish people for being at temple and those and he goes, what right do you have to do that?

[2200] He goes, I mean, in the Bill of Rights, it's very clearly defined that the right to religious, you know, expression is, you know, so so where do you get the authority to shut down a place of worship?

[2201] And he goes, he goes, well, you know, we weren't thinking about the Bill of Rights when we did this.

[2202] We're just trying to keep people safe.

[2203] And then he goes, he was like, yeah, but where do you get the authority?

[2204] and he goes well that's above my pay grade you're like you're the governor that's exactly your pay grade that's exactly what you're paying but so that's just what like that's the mentality that swept over these people it's a lot it reminds me a lot of the George W. Bush mentality of like you know instituting torture and all these other things it's like well what about laws against this it's like 9 -11 man right I don't know about laws and rules but fucking we're here and so we're you know like we they feel like because this thing happened I don't kind of worry about silly little things like the fucking bill of rights who's got time for that we gotta be careful they don't pass an act and give it a good name like the patriot act exactly like you can't be a non -patriot you piece of shit pass the patriot act if they come up with something like the safety act let's keep grandma live act they do this all the time I know but for this one did you see about the anti -lynching bill there was like an anti -lynching bill and they would blast people for being like so and so was against the so and so like Rand Paul he was one of the ones he voted against the anti -lynching bill and you're like okay wait first of all what else was in there isn't lynching already illegal yeah like so so explains me what exactly was in it and then it turns out that Rand Paul's problem was that this like he goes this like really broadly defines what a hate crime is and now it seems like really broad lynching and it's like wait this is really like 20 years under like some hate crime legislation he's like let's slow down on that that seems a little crazy like but and then they're like you're just for lynching it's like wait this is really really weird dude you can't just name a bill something and then say if you're for but you know patriot act all this shit it's what it all is they should not be able to name bills provocative names they should just have numbers yes you know and that's it you only get a number you can't get a name names have a lot of shit attached to them yeah absolutely especially anti -lynching but there's and there's all but even like you know what they call Obamacare the Affordable Care Act everything they put is like this nice thing that nobody could possibly be against why would you be against affordable care yeah what do you hate people?

[2205] Come on, bro.

[2206] Do you hate people?

[2207] That's it, though.

[2208] What's wrong with you?

[2209] Yeah, Dave.

[2210] Listen, I think we've fucking covered it all.

[2211] We fixed everything.

[2212] Did we?

[2213] No. Where was that?

[2214] Was it like around a half hour?

[2215] 20 minutes ago.

[2216] 20 minutes.

[2217] That was the exact moment.

[2218] We nailed it.

[2219] Everything went good.

[2220] We just did like three and a half hours.

[2221] How long did we do?

[2222] Oh, you guys were talking before we started.

[2223] Oh, okay.

[2224] Three hours?

[2225] Three hours for the show.

[2226] You lose all sense of time.

[2227] Yeah, flies by in here.

[2228] I just know when I really have to pee, we should probably wrap it up.

[2229] Let everybody know your Twitter or Instagram, all that jazz.

[2230] My Twitter is at Comic Dave Smith.

[2231] The podcast is part of the problem and The Legion of Skanks, of course.

[2232] And Twitter, I mean, Instagram, they just started me an account at the problem Dave Smith on Instagram.

[2233] At the problem?

[2234] It's or the problem Dave Smith.

[2235] You're a problem?

[2236] Is that what's going on?

[2237] I think so.

[2238] I don't run it.

[2239] But they put clips out of shit.

[2240] Some of the gas digital people started it for me because I'm retarded and don't have an Instagram in 2020.

[2241] Yeah, how did you not have an Instagram?

[2242] I don't know.

[2243] I'm just like, I can't do any more social media.

[2244] I get it.

[2245] You know?

[2246] Well, that's why you're so good at these fucking conversations because you're actually paying attention to shit.

[2247] I spent too much time on Twitter as it is.

[2248] Yeah, the problem, Dave Smith.

[2249] I got no ,000 followers.

[2250] I got no followers on there.

[2251] Well, we just started it.

[2252] We'll pump you up.

[2253] There you go.

[2254] Follow me on Twitter.

[2255] I got a little bit of followers on there.

[2256] Twitter's dying.

[2257] It's dying.

[2258] The president's going to kill it on his last days in office.

[2259] It's what I heard.

[2260] Really?

[2261] That would be something.

[2262] Now it's just a war of who can kill.

[2263] kill who first, Twitter or the president?

[2264] He just makes it Twitter illegal.

[2265] His last few days in office.

[2266] His car's more harm than good.

[2267] It's over.

[2268] But then Twitter blocks his tweet saying that it's illegal, so no one knows.

[2269] It's just a war of Jack Dorsey versus Donald Trump.

[2270] They just stay open.

[2271] Fuck you.

[2272] You're on the way out.

[2273] Biden's like, I support Twitter.

[2274] And I'm going to wear a mask in my profile.

[2275] But he's like, someone tell me what Twitter is.

[2276] My profile.

[2277] My my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my pronouns.

[2278] All right, Dave.

[2279] Thanks, brother.

[2280] I appreciate it.

[2281] This was fun.

[2282] Goodbye, everybody.

[2283] Thank you.