203 - Live at the Fox Theatre in Atlanta (2018)

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Concert.

[2] We're Eddie better.

[3] What is up?

[4] Nice to see.

[5] So nice.

[6] The Satanic carpet here.

[7] We had some Masons weave this carpet for us.

[8] Just a lot of very intense symbology, only we understand that we'll be looking at all night while we worship our Lord.

[9] Guys, it's the second to last show of our fall tour.

[10] It went by really best.

[11] We're happy, excited to be here.

[12] You guys have great food.

[13] Oh, my God.

[14] I appreciate that.

[15] And a great hotel room.

[16] That's the only thing I've seen so far.

[17] God, it's gorgeous.

[18] I did a thing I haven't done in so long on tour, which fills me with joy, is that I ate something outside of the hotel room.

[19] It's always a good idea.

[20] And went to a vintage store, which are like the old...

[21] Plug.

[22] Shit.

[23] Oh, fuck.

[24] Good, real.

[25] Yeah, it could well.

[26] It could have been the goodwill.

[27] Actually, I just broke into someone's house and stole their clothes for me. I ate at Mary Max, though.

[28] Now, how did you get in?

[29] So I guess there's normally a long line, but we just breezed right in at like two.

[30] No big deal.

[31] You're like, I'm a podcast.

[32] So you're going to want to seat us in the window, probably.

[33] Well, when I put my name down to, you know, get seated, and I just fucking love me being here, because I'm like, look, they're like, what's your name?

[34] And I'm like, Georgia.

[35] Pretty great after like a lifetime of not having your name on any, you know, at any souvenir shops, at any...

[36] Bike license plate or anything like that.

[37] Never ever.

[38] There's a ghost fucking with that.

[39] Yeah.

[40] Then to see your goddamn name everywhere.

[41] You should come here more often.

[42] I had some names on bike plates, but all I've really ever wanted was my name in a song and I just have that one super bummer James Taylor one where it's about like Karen, look at her back She's leaving again What a bitch Look at her fat back What a bitch she's leaving That's what she's like Get used to it You know that song James Taylor It's called get used to Karen Don't rely on her She won't pick you up Yeah I guess I got lucky in that Department You looked out I did You really did Shit I had something I wanted to tell you Now I can't remember what it is.

[43] Can I tell you that when I order food today, I was like, right, I'm going to get the fried chicken because I fucking love fried chicken.

[44] But then I was like, maybe I'll get some healthy sides.

[45] And I almost ordered healthy sides.

[46] And then I didn't.

[47] I was like, what are you doing?

[48] Healthy fucking.

[49] Georgia, as an entire state, it's like, we don't do those here.

[50] Yeah, then I realized you can get a side order of fried green tomatoes.

[51] Yes.

[52] Good stuff?

[53] Oh, my God.

[54] Did you go right into the movie?

[55] You're like, oh, my God.

[56] Fried tomatoes.

[57] Kathy Bates.

[58] That's right.

[59] I did it.

[60] It's such a good anecdote.

[61] It's right in the front of my brain.

[62] I'll remember it later.

[63] Tell them what you're wearing.

[64] Oh, the pockets revolution.

[65] Can you hold my...

[66] One of your things.

[67] Look how...

[68] She's a silver sun.

[69] Your best walk away.

[70] She stole your microphone.

[71] Good job.

[72] Thank you.

[73] Let's see your dress.

[74] Oh, this old thing.

[75] It's just a whole thing.

[76] I'm wearing my shoes that I got married in, but I am excited.

[77] though, because this dress, fine, whatever, but I've decided that the next tour I'm not wearing black dresses anymore.

[78] I just can't fucking do it.

[79] Oh, my God.

[80] You heard it here first.

[81] Twitter.

[82] The social media world, no. But truly, I just can't keep buying black dresses that I'll never wear in real life when I have a closet full of gorgeous, vintage, like crazy couch, your grandma's couch.

[83] Dress in.

[84] So is that what you're going to do?

[85] Are you going to walk us through your collection of gorgeous, vintage dresses?

[86] I could.

[87] I'll just start buying more, too.

[88] Yes.

[89] You should do a thing that not unlike the hometown murder where you wear a dress from the city that we're in that day.

[90] What if that's it?

[91] What if that's it?

[92] This becomes a shopping podcast.

[93] I'm so happy.

[94] But that's, it's going to be hard to get into because it's a podcast about us shopping.

[95] We're not going to help you shop.

[96] There won't be any interactive parts.

[97] How about at the end of the show I'll just unzip my dress and hand it to some.

[98] one too.

[99] First, you have to go like this.

[100] That would be actually kind of fun to do, like, um, you up to get your outfit that day.

[101] That'd be great fun for me. Yeah, that'd be great fun.

[102] Well, I mean, I'm saying I would do it with you.

[103] Oh, you would, okay.

[104] I would definitely be sarcastic when I did it, where I'd, like, show up in a blockbuster video shirt and just be like, what, check it out, motherfuckers.

[105] Anti -glam.

[106] Blockbuster video shirt is probably vintage, too.

[107] Yeah.

[108] You gotta imagine.

[109] Yeah, they don't exist anymore.

[110] No. those fucking right -wing assholes.

[111] They were.

[112] Them and dominoes.

[113] So that's the political part.

[114] Hey, this is my favorite.

[115] And this is shoe superstar Georgia Hardstone.

[116] This is a little, uh, tricked into drinking folders backstage, and it was pretty good.

[117] It was delicious.

[118] It was called some, like, it was like a bespoke name that they did, like how sometimes cores will be like, no, it's really like the cores from this other area of our plant that's like nice.

[119] It's for hipsters.

[120] It's nice stuff.

[121] But this was like, it was called like 1882.

[122] And I was like, I love that year.

[123] Six years before Jack the Ripper.

[124] Stuff like that, really enjoying it.

[125] And Vince is like, this is fucking Folgers.

[126] And we're like, should we sit down?

[127] Yeah, let's just sit down.

[128] This is a good chair.

[129] This is a gorgeous, well -worn chair.

[130] It is.

[131] It's like someone took Grandpa's favorite scene.

[132] There's no. There's no padding.

[133] It might fall through the bottom of his chair.

[134] It's definitely missing a part.

[135] Pull out gifts.

[136] Oh my god.

[137] And then the chairs just collapsed.

[138] Oh, those gifts were holding up the chair.

[139] Um, Steven's not here.

[140] Oh, yeah.

[141] He's gonna listen to this alone in his apartment.

[142] That's right.

[143] And he needs to know that you care that he's not here.

[144] Yeah, but I don't care.

[145] Take him off and throw him in the audience.

[146] I think people really big fucking shoe eel and paled in her eyes.

[147] I used to like this pot.

[148] I have to get them framed since I got buried in them or something?

[149] Is that what people do with their wedding shoes?

[150] They frame them?

[151] Frame them in a glass cube and put them on your desk.

[152] Lighted and everything.

[153] Yeah, collagen lamp above it.

[154] Greens them?

[155] Yes, bronze her own shoes.

[156] Like a huge, sexy baby.

[157] Fucking mom recently gave me my baby bronze shoes.

[158] And I'm like, weren't these for you to keep?

[159] Why the fuck do I have to have these in my house?

[160] I already wore those.

[161] I don't want them.

[162] What kind of narcissist has their own bronze baby shoes in the fucking house, too?

[163] That's why you kept dragging your finger along the counter where you put the bronze baby shoes every time I come over.

[164] There's like, anyway, anything new in your life?

[165] Because they're sure are two new bronze things in my life.

[166] Look how tiny I once was.

[167] I'm such a petite skinny baby.

[168] Look how little I love.

[169] And like, they couldn't find shoes to get me. Because my feet were so skinny.

[170] It was so sad.

[171] I had to go into fetal sizes because I was such a tiny baby.

[172] We're going to make a billion dollars in Los Angeles.

[173] It's like, oh, you wear kids sizes.

[174] You can't fit into fetal.

[175] Okay.

[176] Okay.

[177] Good luck with that.

[178] Okay.

[179] I have a great spinning instructor if you want her name.

[180] Oh my God.

[181] She is next level.

[182] You will love it.

[183] I told you.

[184] I had a friend that would.

[185] I wouldn't stop asking if I would go to a spinning class with her.

[186] Is it me?

[187] No. It's happened more than once.

[188] It's my friend Stephanie.

[189] And finally I said, I'm gonna go to the spinning class with you and I'm gonna die during it just to fuck you over.

[190] I'm gonna have a massive coronary.

[191] I think that's a great idea.

[192] Four French riser to pop out of my mouth and you're gonna have to clean up the body.

[193] Stupid motherfucker.

[194] Leave me alone.

[195] I don't want to ride a still bike.

[196] That's the saddest thing of all time.

[197] You're going to ride it, go the fuck outside.

[198] I don't agree with that statement, but I agree with you feeling that way about it.

[199] On spinning, Georgia, go for the pro side.

[200] I mean, it's just sitting there spinning on a bite.

[201] I agree with you.

[202] Are you going to drink water the whole time?

[203] Yeah, I'm going to angrily drink water.

[204] Roll my eyes so hard butt drink water.

[205] Oh, you look so hydrated and angry.

[206] Mm -hmm.

[207] You'd think I'd want to spin it off, but I don't.

[208] I want to retain, retain, retain.

[209] Because you can tell that's the new thing that's coming.

[210] We've already gone through the fucking 90s, Allie McBeal, emaciation bullshit.

[211] Big butts are now in, big boobs are coming in.

[212] I mean, two big boobs have always been.

[213] Big boobs is hard to shove those guys out of style.

[214] Thank God.

[215] But now I really feel like water retention in the midsection is going to come in.

[216] Just wait.

[217] I am here for it, as the cool kids say.

[218] This is the one thing, and we've talked about this on tour before, but my problem, my addiction is, in almost every hotel room we stay and they offer, when you walk in the door, just it's there waiting, a little half can of Pringles.

[219] And a perfect little can, just right for you, it's like, it's just enough.

[220] Yeah.

[221] You don't have to, like, you know, it's not a full can, And you're like, I know, I'm going to eat those whole thing and be bummed.

[222] It's like just as much.

[223] It's almost a third of a stack of a pipe of Pringles is what the technical term is.

[224] Pringle's wiping.

[225] And when I eat them, I call Georgia on the hotel phone and say, I'm about to lay some pipe.

[226] I do.

[227] I wish that were true.

[228] And she says, don't call me at this number.

[229] We have so much fun.

[230] This is the front desk.

[231] Your friend Georgia said not to give you.

[232] That's a fucking story I was going to tell you.

[233] What?

[234] Oh, no. What did you do?

[235] It's not that good, actually.

[236] Sorry.

[237] I'm just so thrilled I remember.

[238] I'm still here.

[239] Last night, we got in super late, but they had a 24 -hour menu.

[240] So I was like, well, I'm just going to get something tasteful and feminine of pizza.

[241] So I called down it rings 100 times.

[242] And then finally, the most.

[243] harried room service worker answers the phone he's like yes you're in 1501 what can I help you with we have we spoke to that person too he was very mad at us out of his mind where it's like I understand it's busy or you know it's like it's fucking it's like 1137 at night how many fucking people are ordering pizza on a Thursday what's happening in this hotel and he it was almost like he goes I go can I just get a pizza And a Diet Coke, and he goes, and a Diet Coke.

[244] And he goes, it's going to take an hour and a half.

[245] Almost like he was complaining on my behalf.

[246] Like, he was, he was upset about it more, and he was the only person that could change that time or make that a different experience.

[247] But he was letting me know that that sucked.

[248] So I go, well, like, there's nothing I can do.

[249] I didn't say this out loud.

[250] That'd be amazing.

[251] I'm like, well, sir, I simply don't know what to do.

[252] I didn't eat dinner.

[253] We just flew in.

[254] So I'm like, okay, well, I just have to get it anyway, is what I said.

[255] And then as I'm saying that sentence, he goes, no, no, I'm sorry, chef is looking at me and telling me no pizza, no pizza, we're out of pizza.

[256] Okay, and I'm about to say, like, I'll pick something else.

[257] And he goes, no, no, the chef just told me there's absolutely no pizza.

[258] And I go, I get it!

[259] And I just hung out.

[260] Oh, and ate pringles?

[261] And I ate, wait, you know what I did?

[262] I looked at that second stack of Pringles.

[263] I said, hello, friend.

[264] Hello, Mr. Mustache friend.

[265] Your name is dinner tonight.

[266] And then I just drank a container of salt.

[267] Right, just like, but it's the new trend.

[268] It is.

[269] I'm going to be so hot for winter.

[270] Georgia, what if I told you we could be transported to the 1920s to solve a murder?

[271] I'd say my entire life and war.

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[286] Goodbye.

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[308] Goodbye.

[309] Do I go first or do you go first?

[310] I believe it's you.

[311] Friends, family, others.

[312] Here we go.

[313] These live shows are so much fun to begin with, but it's also fun because you find these fucking stories that you're like, how have I never, I never would have heard about that.

[314] Okay.

[315] There's a ghost behind you.

[316] Should I check?

[317] I'm not afraid.

[318] It's really scary.

[319] Oh, hey, what's up?

[320] Oh.

[321] And we never saw her again.

[322] There she is.

[323] She died of, it's a bride.

[324] She died of violent death here at this theater.

[325] Or maybe it's you in a different time.

[326] It's fifth dimensional me. Do you like Pringles?

[327] In this timeline?

[328] Do you like Pringles?

[329] Yes.

[330] Great, it's you.

[331] I'm sorry.

[332] It's so bad at improv.

[333] It was a yes or no, and you got it right.

[334] I panicked.

[335] I panicked.

[336] Two choices are so many choices when you're panicked.

[337] Panicking.

[338] Okay, so this is the fucking banana's story of the kidnapping of Barbara McEl.

[339] Oh.

[340] You didn't even know about it.

[341] I'm going to tell you.

[342] Some do.

[343] One person does.

[344] All right.

[345] In 1968, here, Barbara McElall is this lovely 20 -year -old girl.

[346] She's enjoying her senior year at Emory University in Atlanta.

[347] The fighting.

[348] The fighting J -birds.

[349] That's right.

[350] The J -birds.

[351] Go, Emery J -birds.

[352] Oh, they fight, they'll peck your eyes out in football.

[353] The fighting J -Bers.

[354] That's right.

[355] It just all goes, squads.

[356] Louder and louder in terms of a crescendo.

[357] Until the other team leaves because they're embarrassed.

[358] This is too nerdy for us.

[359] Jaybirds aren't even that scary.

[360] Why are they swahky at us?

[361] So it's almost, let me show you a photo of her.

[362] What happened?

[363] Uh -oh.

[364] Just a light drip, mostly for the front row.

[365] Okay.

[366] I don't know where to point this thing.

[367] You could be there, but it's not.

[368] It's usually...

[369] Steven.

[370] There we go.

[371] There she is.

[372] Dude, I think I did this one on a crime to remember.

[373] Oh, shut up.

[374] Yeah, I swear to...

[375] I think if this is the one I remember.

[376] Okay, don't talk about it.

[377] If this is the crime I remember.

[378] The crime to not remember.

[379] Pretty little thing.

[380] Look at her.

[381] Look at her little butt and nose.

[382] et cetera, et cetera.

[383] There's a Christmas thing.

[384] Okay.

[385] So she's not a Jew.

[386] You have to use context clues and put the mystery together yourself.

[387] It's important.

[388] Pay attention.

[389] Okay, it's almost Christmas break at Emory University.

[390] Or everywhere, probably.

[391] It's Christmas break.

[392] Context clues.

[393] Yeah.

[394] Yeah.

[395] And it seems that everyone in fuck at school is getting this crazy -ass thing called the Hong Kong flu, which is a like banana's epidemic virus -y thing that had killed over a million people.

[396] Everyone's getting fucking sick of shit, right?

[397] And even though, um...

[398] That totally sounds like something I would make up to call in to be late to want.

[399] Yeah.

[400] So even though Barbara is a real estate heiress, she gets, she's not immune to this virus.

[401] Can you believe it?

[402] Or you're still going to get sick.

[403] That's right.

[404] That's right.

[405] So, Shut up, Richies.

[406] Shut up, Richie Rich.

[407] So she comes down with the Hong Kong Blue, but she doesn't want to go home.

[408] She has her finals to take still, so even though she's sick, she is rich enough that her mother drove from their family home in Florida to take care of her, so she could go to things.

[409] To class?

[410] Yes.

[411] So she's rich in love?

[412] Yes.

[413] Citrus Grove is where she's from, which is Richie Rich places in Florida.

[414] So.

[415] I can't.

[416] My mother, if I was sick and had to go to.

[417] class, you'd be like, good luck.

[418] I hope you do well.

[419] My mom's got that, like, this light lunchhouse and fibroxy thing where she's like the best mom when you're sick.

[420] Like, it's lovely.

[421] If I ever, if I'm ever sick and meet her, she's fucking there for me. Not like as a dick.

[422] Like, that was terrible to me to say.

[423] She's just there because she loves me. Not because she has a fucking disorder.

[424] It's very tricky.

[425] Oh, I am so fucked up.

[426] Okay.

[427] Okay.

[428] So, she comes to Georgia to take care of her sick daughter for Christmas break.

[429] They're staying a few miles from campus at the Roadway Inn in Decatur, Georgia.

[430] So gorgeous at the Roadway Inn.

[431] That's where we're staying, too.

[432] We love it.

[433] We love it.

[434] Amazing room service.

[435] Only Roadway Inn.

[436] On this whole turn.

[437] We pull right up.

[438] Into a room.

[439] Sorry.

[440] You sleep in the car.

[441] At around 4 a .m. on December 17th, 1916.

[442] still there.

[443] There's a knock at the door of their room, and a man is dressed as a fucking cop, and he says he's a fucking cop, and he tells Barbara that her boyfriend, Stuart, have been in a car accident, and to open the door in Linerman.

[444] Which you would do.

[445] You would do in 1968.

[446] These days, we know, if you're a cop alerting me about a car accident that already happened, you don't need to be in my fucking hotel room to tell me about it.

[447] Whisper it through the fucking window.

[448] Call me on the phone.

[449] Why you need to be in here near me?

[450] Let me see your badge.

[451] Let me see your badge.

[452] Is the fourth question to ask.

[453] Barbara opens the door to the cop and she's immediately hit with the fucking truth, which is the man not shockingly is not a cop.

[454] If he was, the story would be over.

[455] But still interesting.

[456] The guy's name is, the not cop's name is Derry Chris.

[457] He's a 23 -year -old from Miami, who was a research assistant at SeaWorld.

[458] Hold on.

[459] Real quick.

[460] We'll get into him more.

[461] Well, I mean, like, I'm just saying he would go on Wikipedia and look up stuff about orcas.

[462] No, because of 1968.

[463] Guess what?

[464] So he'd be on that microfish every weekend.

[465] The microfish?

[466] The microfish?

[467] The microfish?

[468] It's in there somewhere, but it is.

[469] It's in there somewhere.

[470] It's right there.

[471] It's right there.

[472] And he isn't a cop.

[473] He had actually been stalking Barbara for months planning her kidnapping.

[474] Okay.

[475] So let's go back.

[476] In the fall, way before all this started, of 1968, this guy Gary had gone to the Miami Public Library to look at names on a social register.

[477] He was looking for...

[478] He gave a fake name and said he was researching wealthy Floridians.

[479] to learn about their work habits and personalities for a psychology dissertation.

[480] That's not true.

[481] No, it is not.

[482] It's a terribly concocted lie about the rich.

[483] That's right.

[484] But back then, they were like, great, we'll give you their social security numbers, and you can have everything, anything you want about them.

[485] Home address, P .O. Box.

[486] Parents' names.

[487] Exactly.

[488] He was actually planning, in reality, Gary's planning one of the most elaborate kidnapping plots in FBI history.

[489] Shit.

[490] So this dude, Gary had escaped.

[491] He was like a convict that had escaped from prison and on the run, but he was a really smart dude, so he like got a fake name and was working at a college as a research person.

[492] Or a SeaWorld.

[493] It depends on what Wikipedia you ask.

[494] Depends on what paragraph you're looking at.

[495] That's when he found, when he was doing all this research, what he was really looking before he had that victim.

[496] He found this guy Robert McEl, who was a wealthy real estate developer with ties to President Nixon.

[497] And what Chris was looking for was a daughter who was a rich, tough -minded female.

[498] That's what he was specifically looking for, because he wanted to find someone who could stand up to the trauma of being kidnapped and his crazy kidnapping plan.

[499] Sorry, so.

[500] So he was kind of casting his victim.

[501] He was.

[502] And he didn't want to feel bad when it was over.

[503] So he was like, I need a sturdy lady that can handle being pulled out of her roadway motor lodge at 3 a .m. He's like, I need someone who is, And he doesn't want to, you wouldn't do it, a child.

[504] He has, I guess, scruples?

[505] I don't know.

[506] He wouldn't do a whale because he loves fish and mammals.

[507] He wanted, you know, he tried to find this pretty, like, was he at casting a fucking kidnapping victim?

[508] Someone who could, like, deal with the ordeal of being kidnapped.

[509] Well, I mean, that's partially considerate.

[510] Yeah, I guess.

[511] Thanks.

[512] Half thanks, Gary.

[513] I'm sure when Barbara found out, she was like, thank you.

[514] I guess.

[515] I guess it's a compliment?

[516] I guess.

[517] And he found Barbara Mackle.

[518] She was the 20 -year -old daughter, and he thought she was the perfect victim.

[519] So, let's see.

[520] The Mackle family, they were this crazy land developer people in Florida.

[521] They changed landscape and demographics of Florida, but their company General Development Corp, largest land development company in Florida, blah, blah, blah, who cares?

[522] I care.

[523] Okay.

[524] They turn thousands of square miles of swamp land and thick woodland into residential communities for the middle class.

[525] Oh, thank God.

[526] The middle class has somewhere to live.

[527] Pape right over it and put in a parking lot.

[528] And they also developed Marco Island and Port St. Lucy.

[529] Good shit.

[530] You have these guys to thank for your place.

[531] How about you write the Mackles letter for once?

[532] Maybe this Christmas break.

[533] You could write them a nice note.

[534] Okay, so back to the roadway in at 4 a .m. when Barbara opened the door so Gary Kristen, his accomplice who is a 26 -year -old female named Ruth Isman Shear, she's disguised as a man. They break the fuck in, they rush inside and they chloroform Macle, Barbara's mom, and tie her up, and then they force Barbara at gunpoint in the back of their waiting car.

[535] Can I just tell a quick story that I don't know as a fact about that woman, the accomplice?

[536] Yeah, is this the story you did for...

[537] Yeah, but no, it's not.

[538] the truth.

[539] This is just what I made up in my mind when I heard this part of the story.

[540] Absolutely.

[541] Because I think this podcast is.

[542] It's all bullshit.

[543] Mostly bullshit.

[544] They work together at SeaWorld.

[545] Or they met in college?

[546] He escapes prison, right?

[547] And she meets him in college.

[548] I think he's like working for one of the teachers.

[549] He's super smart.

[550] And she's like, this guy's hot.

[551] I might have a photo of him, but I'm scared it's going to...

[552] What photo did I put up?

[553] Roll those dice.

[554] There he is.

[555] Well, hello.

[556] Yeah.

[557] He's like a Jason Manzukas kind of...

[558] If Jason Manzuchus was trying to hypnotize you from across a party, after he got a nice haircut.

[559] Yeah.

[560] Sorry.

[561] If that guy was like, hey, do you want to go down to the, like, coffee machine with me?

[562] I'd be like, sir, no, absolutely not.

[563] Go back into your office.

[564] He looks crazy.

[565] But this girl met him and then found out about his escaping prison.

[566] And I guess that dick must have been great because she was like, let's do it.

[567] She's like, you know what?

[568] It adds.

[569] It doesn't take away.

[570] So she was like, not only am I okay with this, I am going to help you.

[571] I'll accomplish the shit at you.

[572] I just imagine that her glasses are so thick that her eyes are five times.

[573] bigger than they actually are in real life.

[574] I think we have a...

[575] She's like, yeah, that face.

[576] She's like, still waters, bitches.

[577] We don't all have to be blondes.

[578] That dick.

[579] God.

[580] And this tour, what?

[581] Because she was, look at her eyes.

[582] All right.

[583] She keeps her hair short because she doesn't have time.

[584] She's getting so much dick.

[585] You know what I mean?

[586] You gotta go.

[587] Three brushes and you're out.

[588] This is a job.

[589] This is our job.

[590] We get paid the best thing it's over.

[591] You pay us.

[592] It's into me. To talk shit to you.

[593] Truly at all.

[594] A true dream come true.

[595] I could never imagine.

[596] I'm going to start crying.

[597] Do it.

[598] How about been the television made -for -TV movie from 1990 called 83 Hours Tell Dawn?

[599] That will make sense more later.

[600] That's an exciting title.

[601] Gary, Dead Eyes Gary Christ is played by Peter Strauss.

[602] Peter Strauss.

[603] from of course I mean all I can think of is the guy from airplane that goes never see a growing way on making?

[604] Go ahead.

[605] He's from six feet under?

[606] Oh, someone look it up on a computer please.

[607] A desktop, not a phone.

[608] Everyone pull out your laptops.

[609] A desktop?

[610] A desktop, only.

[611] Yeah, only a desktop.

[612] Here is Strosa.

[613] Oh, it's his father.

[614] Jerry.

[615] And Barbara is played by Samantha Mathis.

[616] Oh, yes.

[617] She's usually a blonde.

[618] And she's from little...

[619] And she's from Arkansas.

[620] I don't know.

[621] Samantha Mathis was in a bunch of 90s movies.

[622] She was like a teen...

[623] Super Mario Brothers.

[624] Super Mario Brothers?

[625] Fuck on.

[626] She was.

[627] What did she say?

[628] Our food critic right here.

[629] I mean, food critic, movie critic, TV critic.

[630] We believe you.

[631] I believe you.

[632] I don't think any of this is real.

[633] Okay.

[634] So, so anyways, they kidnap Barbara and they drive her about 20 miles away to a remote pines grove in Gwynett County near Duluth.

[635] Such a powerful county where all the pines are filled with pines.

[636] And then they, okay, this gets, okay, ready for the bananas parts of this?

[637] They get her, they get to a spot, they tell her to climb into a trench that they had done for her.

[638] And I would be like, no, I will not do that.

[639] Shoot me in the face, asshole, that's what I'd say.

[640] And you might as well.

[641] No, don't do that.

[642] Oh, don't do that.

[643] We've decided for you to not do that.

[644] This poor fucking girl has the goddamn Hong Kong fucking fuck.

[645] She's taking care of her and she's 20.

[646] Like, that's hardcore.

[647] So she's just like, are you fucking kidding?

[648] me?

[649] I can't even eat a saltine.

[650] And you're getting me into a fucking, she's like, can I bring a hot water bottle down there with me?

[651] Can you very uncomfortable?

[652] Right.

[653] And rich.

[654] So at the bottom of this trench is a strategically engineered fiberglass box that they had made.

[655] It had a pump and two plastic pipes that gave Barbara air from the outside.

[656] And they had left food, water that was laced with sedatives, and a battery powered lamp to keep her comfortable.

[657] and then they buried her fucking alive in the box.

[658] She survives.

[659] That's why the movie's called 83 hours.

[660] I don't want you guys to get scared.

[661] That's why the movie's called 83 hours till dawn.

[662] It's because she fucking hung out down there for 83 hours.

[663] 83 hours is like almost two days.

[664] In 2018 years?

[665] In 2018 years?

[666] That's 15 years.

[667] That's right.

[668] The only cool thing about, first of all, I'm picturing those two lunatics making.

[669] their own fiberglass box.

[670] I think that, I don't, okay, well, yeah, we talk more about that.

[671] Yeah, we'll talk more about that.

[672] But then also, cool of them put sedatives in the food, because that's, if you're buried alive?

[673] Night night, come on.

[674] I want to go night night.

[675] Please.

[676] Or just, how about a ball peen hammer I can hit in my own head?

[677] Yeah, it's fucking, that's why, because I remember when he was like, I want to find someone who's not going to go crazy when I kidnap them.

[678] This is why.

[679] Because he was like, I need someone who's got to fucking not like.

[680] lose their goddamn mind.

[681] Gary, if you're going to do something where you have to pick an incredibly strong individual because you're going to bury them alive, you sidestep that part and then go straight to what you're doing and give that more of a thing.

[682] Yeah, never in layers are up.

[683] What the fuck am I doing?

[684] I mean, never.

[685] Is it the strength of the woman that needs to be worried about?

[686] for my mind.

[687] Okay.

[688] So then, Gary takes a photograph of Barbara lying down in the trench while she holds up a handwritten sign that says, kidnapped, to be used for the ransom note.

[689] You all want to see it?

[690] Yes.

[691] Okay, I have to warn you, it kind of looks like she's smiling, but she's actually fucking, they had already sedated the shit out of her, so she's not smiling.

[692] But are you ready for your nightmare?

[693] So just, she can't control her lip muscles anymore, and they're just falling back.

[694] They're like, you guys, this is...

[695] How am I not wrong to say that it looks like me a little bit?

[696] Oh!

[697] And I would be like, yes, keep them sedatives coming.

[698] More pills.

[699] How scary.

[700] It's too close also.

[701] It's terrifying.

[702] Okay, so then what happens is they shovel two feet of mud on top of the box, and she would remain there for three days, aka 83 hours.

[703] I said 83 hours, sorry.

[704] 83 hours In her book that she later writes about it called 83 hours called it Barbara calls the experience she said quote I screamed and screamed the sound of the dirt got farther and farther away finally I couldn't hear anything above I screamed for a long time after that so Gary and Ruthie I wish she had done yoga or something she probably did after yeah I bet after she was great at it so Gary and Ruth are kidnappers They contact Robert, Barbara's dad, and demand a ransom of $500 ,000, and I do have the equivalent of today.

[705] It's $3 .5 million.

[706] Oh, shit.

[707] That's a lot of money.

[708] In exchange for Barbara's safe return, and Robert Mackel's played by Robert, did I already say that?

[709] Robert Ulrich?

[710] No. That's who he's played by.

[711] We don't know who anyone is anymore, so it's okay.

[712] Is that Skeet Ulrich's dad?

[713] Yes.

[714] Okay.

[715] In the note, the kidnappers specify that the ransom is to be put in a suit, case in that Robert had to make a drop in the woods alone.

[716] And because of Robert's connections with the president, the FBI director, J. Edgar Hoover, dispatches the man who investigated both Kennedy assassinations to oversee the case.

[717] He didn't solve the first one, so how the fuck are you gonna...

[718] Finish your other fucking job.

[719] Five shooters on the hill.

[720] That's right.

[721] And, maybe the second one.

[722] I'll be to some people.

[723] Would have yet.

[724] Hoover calls that guy.

[725] And he's like, I'm going to send down the guy that invested it, and they're like, oh, thanks.

[726] Did you not?

[727] Okay.

[728] Appreciate it.

[729] Well, Barbara's never going to be found.

[730] Okay, so, Robert is fucking determined to get his daughter back, of course.

[731] He gets all the money together, puts him inside his suitcase, and he goes to bring it to a bridge that's near, it goes to bring to the drop point.

[732] Great.

[733] But it doesn't go smoothly, because Robert gets fucking lost looking for the drop -off point.

[734] Oh, dad.

[735] Dad's losing his shit.

[736] No, no, no, I don't need the map.

[737] I know.

[738] It's around here somewhere.

[739] This looks really...

[740] It's fine.

[741] I got it.

[742] And meanwhile, Gary is, like, hunker down with binoculars.

[743] Like, where the fuck are they?

[744] This is crazy.

[745] It's kind of a big deal.

[746] It's kind of a big deal.

[747] This is the moment.

[748] And finally, he finds the drop -off spot.

[749] And, unfortunately, the FBI, who's, like, waiting for this shit to happen, didn't tell the local cops what was going on.

[750] So the drop spot is right next.

[751] to where the local cops like to hang out and have, like, their lunch and their car.

[752] So there's two fucking cops sitting in a car right by the drawpoint.

[753] I said no cops.

[754] Right.

[755] I didn't invite them.

[756] And they're like, we don't know what's going on.

[757] Everybody loves this bridge.

[758] That's right.

[759] Gary grabs the money, and he's coming down the fucking, he is hanging out with a suitcase full of money, a rifle, and scuba gear, when he happens upon these two fucking cops.

[760] And that look on his face, where he's like, what?

[761] I love scuba.

[762] I love water.

[763] Fucking capers.

[764] He fucking starts to run.

[765] Cops open fire.

[766] He gets away, and he had to fucking jump over a fence, and he injures his groin pretty bad.

[767] 83 hours to sunset or whatever that.

[768] It was a comedy.

[769] It was a parcical physical comedy.

[770] Not for Barbara, who's still fucking in that goddamn box, that poor baby.

[771] And then she goes, oh, a lamp.

[772] Click.

[773] Hmm.

[774] God, this food is good.

[775] It's just relaxing.

[776] Okay.

[777] So then the FBI probably kicks the cops and the dicks, and the dicks, and it's like, what the fuck did you do?

[778] But after that, they find Gary's abandoned car, and inside the car, they find photographs of Gary and Ruth.

[779] Some of them are Nakey photos.

[780] Gary.

[781] They tick ballards and then just throw them over their shoulder.

[782] They're just like, the 60s.

[783] Apparently there's one photo where he's got the cop hat that he used to get into the house, and it's over his D. Maybe.

[784] That might not be true.

[785] Who wants that?

[786] But I saw that somewhere.

[787] And then they find that the car is registered to a person in the name of George Deacon.

[788] So the second ransom drop is.

[789] successful.

[790] And so Gary had to leave that money behind when he ran from the cops, but he does get this money.

[791] And the FBI, at that point, traces this guy, George Deacon, to the University of Miami, where they realized that he had built ventilated boxes for a living.

[792] Maybe for Star, Star Wars, no. Sea World.

[793] Same diff.

[794] Same dip.

[795] So maybe that's what it's, maybe, I think that he must have made, what are they called, aquariums.

[796] Sure.

[797] It's our new theme of our podcast.

[798] Right.

[799] And so he, that's how he made the box to put her in.

[800] Right.

[801] So he made those for a living.

[802] He was like, picture if we had a dolphin.

[803] But she was a lady.

[804] She didn't need water.

[805] And then, so George Deacon turns out is our friend Gary.

[806] So it's one of the same.

[807] Sorry, I correct to tell you that.

[808] That's what I find out.

[809] Deacon's boss at this coffin building company is like, oh, and he hangs out with this chick, Ruth, who has just like, these eyes that isn't, you know...

[810] I'm going to make that box.

[811] So then the FBI contacts...

[812] Oh, though.

[813] Okay, then the FBI has contact by a local man in Georgia claiming it just bought a small trailer from a man and found some weird paperwork inside.

[814] They discovered...

[815] Was it sex paperwork?

[816] It wasn't.

[817] That's when they realized that George and Gary are the same person and that George is an escapee from California prisons since 1966.

[818] Blah, blah, blah.

[819] They realized it's the same guy.

[820] That was...

[821] Okay.

[822] Then, on December 20th, Gary calls and gave a switchword operator, calls the, you know, zero.

[823] I don't know.

[824] It's a thing you could do back now.

[825] Yeah.

[826] But it's more like, it's a round thing, yeah.

[827] It took four minutes.

[828] He gives the FBI vague directions to where Barbara is buried.

[829] He, and then over 100 FBI agents then spread out in the area, and they eventually, they're yelling her name and they can fucking hear knocking.

[830] and that's what they find her.

[831] In a forest?

[832] Uh -huh.

[833] Night time?

[834] Night night?

[835] No, but let's pretend it is.

[836] So after being underground for 83 fucking hours, Barbara's burial site was located by searchers.

[837] They dug up the box and Barbara emerged slightly dehydrated but otherwise unarmed.

[838] Because she's strong.

[839] What a nightmare.

[840] I bet you, whatever FBI agent lifted her up out of that fucking fiberglass box, she's like, marry me right now.

[841] I propose to you whatever your name or face is that's right so Gary's captured and ironically captured at a place in Florida Port Charlotte which is ironically a mackle development she gets gone on one of their like islands his accomplice he scubaed out to the island and then got caught there Ruth is the first woman to be named to FBI's 10 most wanted list It's good for her.

[842] She's eventually She's eventually caught in Texas She's sentenced to seven years in prison Before being paroled, she's deported back to her native Honduras.

[843] She's now a grandma and has a Facebook account and I think you can find it.

[844] She's like, oh, the 60s.

[845] And there's also the 7th, oh, the 60s, right?

[846] Grandma, tell us a story.

[847] She's like, why don't we focus on the now?

[848] Two months after his capture, Gary's Trident, Georgia, where he faces the death penalty, but the jurors acknowledged that he tried to keep his victims alive and fulfilled his promise to reveal where she was buried.

[849] So they were like, you clown, it's okay.

[850] So he got life, but he only served 10 years.

[851] And he's released on parole.

[852] He wrote a book himself called The Man, Life, the Man Who Kidnap Barber Jane McAll.

[853] And then he was like, it was me. It just says, it was...

[854] And then that's pictures on the cover.

[855] He's like, it's me. Me and my beard.

[856] We got this idea.

[857] But he also wrote a letter to Barbara apologizing, apparently, which is like, um, you couldn't apologize by getting in a pit for three fucking days.

[858] Okay, so after his release, he's allowed to attend medical school in Granada.

[859] In 2001, he's approved by the Indiana.

[860] a medical licensing board.

[861] He's Dr. Death.

[862] It all comes together a full podcast circle.

[863] That's right.

[864] He was a physician in Indiana until 2003 because of some disciplinary action he received because not because he's a fucking kidnapper.

[865] He kept sticking his whole arm in the aquarium and they're just like, Dr. Heist, we can't have you.

[866] Dr. Heist.

[867] No, but it's Dr. Heist from no. It's Dr. Heist.

[868] You are your crime.

[869] Your name is your crime.

[870] Yeah.

[871] He gets arrested again in 2006 for some cocaine shit And he goes to prison again He goes back and forth to prison He's a lover of life The only thing that I can tell you now Is he lives in rural Georgia today You got And here he is tonight, Doc!

[872] Put him in a box for the rest of the show Oh my God Shit As for Barbara Beckle Remember the guy that he knocked on the door and was like Your boyfriend's been in an accident?

[873] Yes.

[874] She ends up marrying me. that dude, Stuart Woodward.

[875] And how did he fare in that accident?

[876] Karen, there was no accident.

[877] She, Barbara wrote the book in 1971 with the late Miami Herald reporter and Pulitzer Prize winner, Gene Miller, 83 hours till dawn, which was made into a TV movie, blah, blah, blah.

[878] Barbara and Stewart had two children, and they were married for 43 years until Woodward's death in 2013.

[879] Wow.

[880] Not Barbara.

[881] Barbara's still alive.

[882] Barbara.

[883] Has never spoken publicly about her ordeal since the publication of her book.

[884] When she was asked, let's see, I think we have a photo.

[885] Oh, that's the ditch.

[886] Yay.

[887] And then, here's her.

[888] She said, when asked how she endured the heroin experience, she claimed she knew she wouldn't die in the box, and she imagined spending Christmas with her family, and that's how she survived it.

[889] And that's the fucking insane kidnapping of Barbara McEl.

[890] Amazing.

[891] Thank God it ended so nicely.

[892] and she spent Christmas with her parents.

[893] The only creepy thing is she doesn't have a brother.

[894] Look at his face.

[895] He just followed her for the rest of her life after that.

[896] Holding a fucking Christmas thing above her head.

[897] And she's like, why are you the thing that's haunting me?

[898] I don't know if that's her brother or her boyfriend or what.

[899] If it's the boyfriend, that's bad news.

[900] Because he's holding mistletoe over her dad's head.

[901] She's like, Barbara, we don't know why you're dating this basketball player, but we think he likes your dad.

[902] Bananas.

[903] Amazing.

[904] That was great.

[905] Thank you.

[906] It's so funny because I did that story on that show, but I don't remember anything.

[907] All right, so I also wanted to do something a little different, and I had never heard of this.

[908] It's true crime, it isn't murder.

[909] It's the story of the Barbie bandits.

[910] What?

[911] Oh, you don't know the story of the 2007 Barbie bandits, Heather Johnston and Ashley Miller?

[912] I don't.

[913] Okay.

[914] Well, you're about to.

[915] You know, it scared me just now?

[916] There's something on this document that is, that is, uh -oh.

[917] Oh, no, is it the wrong document?

[918] We'll see.

[919] Most of the information I got from this was from a terrible fucking ID show called Pretty Bad Women.

[920] Oh.

[921] Because they're pretty and they're bad.

[922] Oh, ID.

[923] You can do better than that.

[924] I have every comedy show in Los Angeles in the 90s when I first moved there.

[925] It was all pretty funny women.

[926] I actually got booked on a show at the comedy store called Pretty Funny Women.

[927] And when I showed up, the woman who booked it, it was her show.

[928] She goes, this is so great because you're pretty and funny.

[929] And I was just like, I have to go.

[930] I couldn't find a parkey spot.

[931] So I'm going to bail on this show and all of comedy.

[932] All right.

[933] So, let's see.

[934] We'll start with Heather Johnston.

[935] So she was actually the focus of an episode of Primetime, which you can watch on YouTube.

[936] That's pretty hilarious.

[937] Throughout this story, the parents and the teachers and different people, they constantly talk about that these two girls fell in with a bad crowd.

[938] I'm here to tell you, these two girls are a bad crowd.

[939] They are the deaf, the niche.

[940] Own it.

[941] Go for it.

[942] And they really do.

[943] So Heather Johnston is a suburban teenager.

[944] She's got everything going for her.

[945] She's a good student.

[946] She's a promising tennis player.

[947] She dreams of someday being a swimsuit model.

[948] Dare to dream, Heather.

[949] So do all of us.

[950] I mean, wouldn't it be the best if you could just stand around in a swimsuit no matter the weather with a bunch of strangers taking your picture?

[951] For taking you and telling you you're fat, even though you've been starving for 17 years.

[952] But in her junior year of high school, she begins to rebel she starts dating a guy her parents don't approve of they say you have to stop dating him she says fuck you or something like that no one in the history of you have to stop dating him has ever stopped dating him no it's the best when your parents are like we don't like him you're like yes I'm going to date their shirt at him it's all I'm looking for in a man is someone my parents ate yeah parents I think they've now parents these days have learned that lesson where they're like oh we're not going to tell you we hate him I mean, you can't stop seeing him.

[953] We're going to just get up into your life.

[954] Yeah.

[955] No, we love his face tattoo.

[956] It's great.

[957] Make sure he comes to every dinner we have.

[958] Okay.

[959] So she moves out of the house because her parents are like, you have to stop dating him.

[960] She's like, back again, drives away.

[961] And, of course, drives back three months later.

[962] Like, he's the worst.

[963] And they're like, come back and play tennis with us.

[964] So she goes to her senior year of high school.

[965] She gets a college scholarship.

[966] it seems like everything is on course and then her mom in this primetime special says we went to the college orientation but she seemed distracted and that's when I knew something was wrong so let's take a look at Heather's senior portrait stone to the bone and if there's so stone you can't have smaller eyebrows that means what here is this this is 2 ,000 and 5 okay that sounds about right The eyebrows, ball chain necklace, you should try to see it.

[967] Right.

[968] I had one of those on in my senior picture.

[969] I had one that was a choker and it just looked simple.

[970] I looked like a bulldog.

[971] It's terrible.

[972] Just like, take that thing on.

[973] But Heather makes it work.

[974] The only thing is it just if you wonder whether or not your child is on meth, if they have eyebrows like that, they do.

[975] They're on meth.

[976] Yeah.

[977] If you can't leave your eyebrows alone, it's because something is telling you to keep Plucking.

[978] Keep plucking.

[979] Keep.

[980] Four more hairs.

[981] Yeah, yeah.

[982] You're almost...

[983] And I know, because talk shit on Heather and not put up, not show my receipts.

[984] Sure.

[985] How I know.

[986] I love that Stephen just called it 90s Karen.

[987] That is glorious.

[988] I mean, I hadn't slept in seven weeks in this picture.

[989] So much speed coursing through my veins.

[990] Oh, I love it.

[991] And that's...

[992] I'm on...

[993] medical grade fucking speed, and that's as thin as I got.

[994] Most people, I was supposed to be Allie McBealing, and I was like, sorry, nothing else goes away.

[995] Everything else is staying right where it is.

[996] My apologies.

[997] My apologies, Hollywood.

[998] But I can get these eyebrows a little smaller.

[999] You know what can get skinnier?

[1000] My eyebrows.

[1001] My eyebrows.

[1002] All right, so.

[1003] I thought you might put one up of me. of you just doing a huge fine I didn't even know that existed Don't do drugs Don't do drugs for real I mean at least not math We'll just tell you about fun things we did Yeah Don't do white drugs We're specifying We trust you with everything else But fuck we step into that white drug world You're going to end up a Barbie bandit Ready?

[1004] Okay So she tells the interviewer on prime time And this girl is like, the girl that did it, Heather.

[1005] She says she just wanted to do something crazy, which is just like, you mean like tons of drugs?

[1006] So she gets a job at a strip club called Shooter's Alley, which I'm sure you've all been to and enjoy so much.

[1007] After party at Shooter's Alley.

[1008] We're all your dreams of romance come true.

[1009] That sounds like a sexual in you.

[1010] I know that I don't understand and don't want to understand.

[1011] Well, yeah, I know.

[1012] I think it's right there, you know.

[1013] No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Shooter's alley.

[1014] No. Okay.

[1015] It's called a metaphor in literature.

[1016] So, okay.

[1017] She also told the host that she always loved dancing.

[1018] I love dancing.

[1019] Don't we all?

[1020] Now she's making that sweet, sweet stripper money.

[1021] They save between three and five hundred bucks a night.

[1022] That's good shit.

[1023] She's 19 years old.

[1024] Yeah.

[1025] Oh, yeah.

[1026] And as Miss Elliott says, ain't no shame.

[1027] Baby, do your thing.

[1028] Just make sure you're ahead of the game.

[1029] That's right.

[1030] That's the key judgments.

[1031] No job judgments.

[1032] You get that fucking money however you want.

[1033] Then you don't let people tell you what to do.

[1034] That's what's important.

[1035] You get a savings account.

[1036] Let's just tell you what to do.

[1037] Put that money in a savings account.

[1038] Pay taxes on it.

[1039] I already for Christ fucking safe.

[1040] I'll just put you on the phone with my dad.

[1041] He'll tell you all about it.

[1042] Retirement's important because...

[1043] You don't want to strip forever.

[1044] Karen.

[1045] There's a high rate of burnout.

[1046] You're going to get tired of that pole.

[1047] You're going to want to go into modern dance or square dancing.

[1048] Tap dancing.

[1049] There's always tap, especially when you're older.

[1050] That's right.

[1051] Okay.

[1052] So then she finally breaks it to her parents that she's stripping, which I'm sure was a calm conversation over a warm mug of herbal tea.

[1053] They kick her out of dinner.

[1054] the house.

[1055] Oh, no. So that's when she moves in with her co -worker and best friend, Ashley Miller.

[1056] Okay, who's also a stripper at Shooter's Alley.

[1057] Ashley was described by her high school teachers as being quirky, fun, and, oh, fun -loving, which is the same as fun, although it's more about her.

[1058] She was a cheerleader, and she volunteered a local nursing home.

[1059] Oh, here's her, this is her senior portrait.

[1060] Damn, she's tan.

[1061] A good friend would bail you out of jail.

[1062] A best friend would be sitting right next to you saying, man, we messed up.

[1063] Oh, no. This is what we call foreshadowing in the screenwriting community.

[1064] She was planning on going to jail with her friend for years before it happened.

[1065] Also, that's an unaccredited Jeff Foxworthy quote.

[1066] Are you serious?

[1067] Yes.

[1068] Which is, there's a lot of feelings around that.

[1069] She didn't credit anyone for that quote?

[1070] Isn't that bullshit?

[1071] She made her friends think that she had a Jeff Bogsworthy thought.

[1072] She must be a redneck.

[1073] All right.

[1074] Thank you so much.

[1075] Under that, it says, plans to major in business administration at Gainesville College.

[1076] Right?

[1077] The Fighting?

[1078] Uh, uh, or Williams.

[1079] Orwellians.

[1080] The fighting Orwellians.

[1081] They're such a menacing, creepy crowd.

[1082] The Orwellians.

[1083] They just creep you out and so you just give up the game.

[1084] You forfeit the game.

[1085] These guys are creeping.

[1086] I don't want to fight against a talking pig and then the other guy.

[1087] Yeah.

[1088] God, this looks like the future looks bleak here.

[1089] I don't want to win.

[1090] Not nice.

[1091] I don't know why.

[1092] I don't even, this was such a hard game we started.

[1093] It's a tough game.

[1094] You know why?

[1095] you don't want to be too creative, and you don't want to be under -creative.

[1096] It's hard to hit it.

[1097] I think Orwellian's beautiful.

[1098] Thank you.

[1099] You're welcome.

[1100] It turns out that Heather and Ashley take over Shooter's Alley.

[1101] They take over the school.

[1102] Okay.

[1103] They take their high school asses into Shooter's Alley and everyone's like, oh my God, Christmas has come early.

[1104] Because it turns out that Ashley, after high school, had gotten a job at They won't say it in this pretty bad girls show.

[1105] They won't say it, but she worked at Hooters.

[1106] They describe Hooters in all these different ways where it's like, she already worked in a place where she showed a lot of body for tips or whatever.

[1107] And she had thick tights on over her orange shorts.

[1108] The thickest suntan nylon.

[1109] She can find at the store, and then white high top shoes.

[1110] Not sexy, yet everyone's.

[1111] still had a boner.

[1112] As she's working at hooters or some such place, maybe an unfranchised, mom and pop style, sex waitress restaurant.

[1113] Things.

[1114] Yeah.

[1115] Oh, God.

[1116] So she's working there and doing the fucking hard job of being waitress while at the same time being like, take a fucking gander, now tit me. And she thinks to herself, I could be making way more money and just take my shirt off.

[1117] Well, they had a strip club, not there.

[1118] And she's like, who got the zucchini circles?

[1119] Which is weird, flat, unexciting boobs.

[1120] But still the shorts.

[1121] None of this is written on this piece of paper.

[1122] I didn't plan the zucchini circles joke.

[1123] It sounded so like.

[1124] So she nopes out of Hooters, goes to fucking shooters out.

[1125] where all your dreams come true, meets her friend, Heather.

[1126] They're like, this is the best, let's move in together.

[1127] They get an apartment, they're making, they're getting all their singles, putting them in piles at the end of the night.

[1128] Again, drugs, drugs, hairspray and drugs.

[1129] And of course, tweezers everywhere.

[1130] Okay, I had to pull some screenshots.

[1131] I make Stevens life hell.

[1132] Because we try, we're supposed to get him all the pictures we want to use.

[1133] in like the afternoon so he can put these nice mortises on everything and make sure that basically only the first 300 people can read the little things that he writes there and everyone else is like we don't even know what's fucking going on okay also he puts them that newspaper mortis but like the picture could be twice as big and instead he's like but look at my design yeah love it god bless him god bless Stephen absolutely I blessed even by criticizing him very thoroughly So, in this pretty bad girls, reenactment, they show the girls, this is them working at the strip club together.

[1134] It's everybody's dream come true.

[1135] One's tall, one short, they're both blonde, they're both down.

[1136] It's super exciting.

[1137] I think they said that Ashley would wear her cheerleading.

[1138] She did a cheerleading theme.

[1139] Of course.

[1140] Because that was her background.

[1141] People love that.

[1142] Go with it.

[1143] Go with what works.

[1144] Right?

[1145] People love cheerleading.

[1146] Yeah.

[1147] They then cut from here, and it's just these two girls, these poor actresses, who are like, I got a part, and they're like, there's no lines.

[1148] They're kind of fake stripping in this reenactment, and then they cut to the guys in the audience.

[1149] From Slingblade got cut into pretty bad girls or whatever.

[1150] Guys, this is what your first 10 years in Hollywood is like.

[1151] It's all this.

[1152] You have to be an extra.

[1153] Sorry, you just look like a creepy dude that would be in a strip club.

[1154] What about this guy?

[1155] Oh, no. Oh, my God.

[1156] Or the stripper.

[1157] Oh, God.

[1158] Mom, I got a part.

[1159] The TV show.

[1160] Okay.

[1161] All right.

[1162] I'm scared.

[1163] Okay.

[1164] This is my favorite part.

[1165] One part I'm watching this, and I keep rewinding to get this piece of information.

[1166] It was like, whatever the date or time was or some stupid shit that I, of course, didn't include in it.

[1167] And this is my favorite part of this reenactment.

[1168] She's stripping in her bra tag is hanging.

[1169] out.

[1170] So department on this shoot?

[1171] It was like, B -Y -O -B -R -A.

[1172] None of those extras were going to be like, hey, put your tag in.

[1173] See your fucking 30 AA cup checks.

[1174] Fucking depressing.

[1175] Yeah, it's really depressing.

[1176] I watched it like this and then every, all the TV producer and me is just like, I immediately am in the meeting with the costume department where I'm like, look, this is a visual medium.

[1177] I'm not trying to be a perfectionist.

[1178] We're trying to tell a story.

[1179] Basic stuff, people.

[1180] Keep them in the story.

[1181] It's just I'm asking you to watch the monitor.

[1182] That's what I was doing at 5 .30 today as I'm trying to fucking put this story together.

[1183] Okay.

[1184] So they, in the midst of all of this, they are hanging out one night and Ashley starts dating a regular, who's also an ex -con.

[1185] Great idea.

[1186] Right?

[1187] It's like, she's shitting where she eats in the almost most literal sense of the touch.

[1188] and the way they keep telling the story first person and second person is that one night they're all joking about robbing a bank and then the boyfriend goes yeah we can rob a bank and basically is like I'm gonna make your dreams come through bitches oh I don't like that so they right yeah yeah it's very undercutting and disrespectful it is so Heather and Ashley both think they're all joking right and that it was just something to talk about while they snorted their 100th line of cocaine.

[1189] But it turned out, I know, she's boyfriend serious, and he calls the next day.

[1190] The more cocaine you do, I feel like the more robbing a bank sounds like a great idea.

[1191] Robbing a bank, starting a record label, um, food truck stuff comes up a lot.

[1192] Right.

[1193] Maybe doing a choreograph strip dance.

[1194] Are you trying to get me to tell my cocaine story of the choreograph strip dance?

[1195] We didn't strip.

[1196] We didn't strip, but we did at my friend's birthday party.

[1197] We all wore plaid skirts, black shirts, black tights.

[1198] My friend Dave wore plaid pajama bottoms and a black turtleneck.

[1199] And then in the middle of the party, like right when it was like getting exciting, we made everyone back up and we did a fully choreographed and rehearsed routine to whip it.

[1200] Can we get a photo?

[1201] I wish.

[1202] If there was, it would just be me with, just There's tons of cocaine pouring out of my mouth.

[1203] The fact that I'm not dead is proof that Jesus is real.

[1204] Not kidding.

[1205] Okay.

[1206] So, they think they're joking cocaine style about robbing a bank.

[1207] The boyfriend's absolutely serious.

[1208] He calls them the next morning and gives them very specific instructions of the bank they need to go to, what they need to write on the ransom note, the whole fucking thing.

[1209] Is it a ransom note when you're robbing a bank?

[1210] The take charge man. That's right.

[1211] It's nice when, like, he orders for you and, like, when he picks the place that you should go on the date, and when he plans the bank robbery that he makes you do for him.

[1212] Okay, so they get into, so on February 27, 2007, these two girls get up, and they kind of, like, throw themselves together, and they get into the car.

[1213] Later on, there's a picture of, I don't have it.

[1214] I saw a picture, and I didn't want you to see it.

[1215] I just want to tell you about it.

[1216] But they did show a picture in this show of the inside of the car.

[1217] And there were like no less than four empty boxes of new ports.

[1218] Yes.

[1219] And I was like, these girls are smoking menthol cigarettes.

[1220] Things have taken a turn.

[1221] This serious shit.

[1222] I'm like, yes.

[1223] When you're like, I'm going to smoke, but it's also like having a mint.

[1224] No, it's not.

[1225] Okay.

[1226] Let's stop talking about menthol cigarettes for one second.

[1227] in Georgia.

[1228] Can we ever stop telling them?

[1229] That's so.

[1230] So now they have this plan they've been told you're going to go rob the Bank of America.

[1231] And they're like, sounds great.

[1232] And they get into the car.

[1233] They're driving to the Bank of America.

[1234] They realize they don't have any paper to write there.

[1235] Grants some note on.

[1236] It's so typical.

[1237] I don't know paper.

[1238] Do you have paper?

[1239] What?

[1240] I don't carry a notebook.

[1241] A girl got a college scholarship.

[1242] She's probably fucking twice as smart as I am.

[1243] But let's just generalize.

[1244] So they don't have paper.

[1245] They have to stop and buy paper.

[1246] Then they get the note dictated to them what it needs to say over the phone.

[1247] And then they go to the B of A. And they walk in and they're standing there and they realize it's the wrong B of A. You're like teens, early 20s.

[1248] You can't get shit right.

[1249] No. I was like, I drank so much Malibu rum last night.

[1250] I had too many emmeretto sour.

[1251] And now I'm fucked up.

[1252] What did I drink all that?

[1253] Oh, fucking.

[1254] melon balls.

[1255] That's like, if you want to get drunk, but you also like diabetes, you have to try this.

[1256] It's so delicious.

[1257] Okay.

[1258] They pull over, they write their ransom note on their brand new single piece of paper because they're like, we don't eat any other paper.

[1259] We have blackberries.

[1260] We don't need paper.

[1261] What were those ones that flip -up ones?

[1262] Sidekick.

[1263] Sidekick.

[1264] We have side -kicks, thank you.

[1265] Side -kits.

[1266] We have our side -kick.

[1267] Okay.

[1268] Also, when you know when they go into the wrong bank, they're high as fuck, right?

[1269] They're high.

[1270] So, to call the bank teller who's their inside man. So the boyfriend has a friend who's a bank teller.

[1271] He's the inside man. He knows exactly what they all need to do.

[1272] Got it.

[1273] So he was the one that told them, yeah, I'm at the B of A. And then they're like, we went to B &A, you weren't there.

[1274] And then he was like, no, bitches.

[1275] wrong fucking and they're like stop calling us a bit stop it that's wrong they were supposed to go to the BMA inside the Ackworth Kroger love that Kroger so they're pulling a bank heist inside a fucking grocery store that sounds stupid it's highly dumb I'm not a bank robber yet but that sounds really stupid I honestly of all the drugs that we were on at this age I feel like if you and I were doing this and then we got to a Kroger, we'd be like, you know, let's not do this anymore.

[1276] Like, let's get some fresh fruit and go back and watch movies.

[1277] Because this is dumb now.

[1278] Like, it's embarrassing just to go to a regular bank inside a grocery store.

[1279] It's just like, I'm not poor.

[1280] It's just convenient.

[1281] Still, they stick with the plan.

[1282] Keep going.

[1283] Keep going, no matter what, Heather and Ashley.

[1284] And that's what they do.

[1285] So they put on what in the prime time, interview, Heather describes as her stunner shades, which are, they both put on those humongous parasilt and glasses.

[1286] Oh no. Stunner shades.

[1287] They were told to wear wigs, but they just didn't do it.

[1288] Those are too hot.

[1289] No way.

[1290] Sorry, I want to dip out really quick and just say, I love both of these girls dearly and I'm shitting on them, but also, how fun.

[1291] How fucking fun would Ashley and Heather be to just hang out with on a Friday where it's like, you know when you make plans on a Friday and you're like, oh, fine, we'll go to TGI Friday Nothing's going to happen.

[1292] Somebody's going to stay.

[1293] They're like the waiter.

[1294] Nothing's going to happen.

[1295] We're going to go home.

[1296] Not when you invite these two nutcases.

[1297] They'd just be like, you guys, so we found this alley.

[1298] Let's all go walk down it.

[1299] They're like, okay.

[1300] Heather and Ashley made us walk down the alley.

[1301] It was the best night I've ever had in my life.

[1302] Then we were on a train.

[1303] We stole a train somehow.

[1304] What?

[1305] They party.

[1306] They walk up to the inside man's Kroger bank window.

[1307] Okay, got it.

[1308] And they pass them a note that says, give us all your loose bills, no strapped cash, don't press the button, or we won't hesitate to kill you.

[1309] Whoa.

[1310] And meanwhile, they're laughing.

[1311] What's on?

[1312] Did they have a weapon?

[1313] No, just the weapon was that single piece of paper they bought at the stationary store.

[1314] Oh, paper cut your brain, you know.

[1315] Oh, my God.

[1316] Stunner Shades.

[1317] They're just like, oh, my God, this is nuts.

[1318] Okay.

[1319] Okay.

[1320] Also, that note, might as well at the bottom, it might have well have said, also, this is an inside job.

[1321] Like, who knows, who else would know that it's called strapped cash versus loose?

[1322] You wouldn't know that.

[1323] Right.

[1324] Pressing the button.

[1325] People know about that.

[1326] But, yeah.

[1327] Okay, so this picture, of course, is what makes them famous, because everyone's like, that's how they get the name the Barbie bandits.

[1328] And the fact that they're laughing while they rob a bank.

[1329] Like, of course, the press just were, they were like, it is my boyfriend.

[1330] birthday.

[1331] Thank you.

[1332] This is blondes committing a, caught blondes committing a crime while laughing.

[1333] It's like everybody's done for the weekend.

[1334] We appreciate it.

[1335] So, the inside man hands over $11 ,000 in loose cash that they have to stuff into a backpack.

[1336] Oh my God.

[1337] Yes.

[1338] And then they just leave, having their picture taken one billion times because it's a grocery store and a bank so there's just no end to the surveillance cameras.

[1339] And half the people that Brogers know them because it's in the town they live in, probably.

[1340] Oh my God, there's Heather.

[1341] I play tennis with her.

[1342] What are you doing?

[1343] So they walk out, they walk out into the parking lot, they get to their car, realize no one's following them, no alarms have gone off, they burst in, they start laughing again, and they get into the car and drive away.

[1344] Honeys.

[1345] I want to say they got lost on the whale, but that would be a lie.

[1346] I thought their fucking keys were going to be locked in their car.

[1347] I was waiting for that.

[1348] Because how cool would that be?

[1349] It would be so good.

[1350] They realized, oh, I attach my keys to the ransom note.

[1351] Why?

[1352] So when they divide up the money, they're only left with like $2 ,000 each.

[1353] Because they have to give the cut to the inside man, they have to give the cut to the boyfriend, and they kind of get more than these fucking idiots.

[1354] We're just like, that's a Just work an extra week at the strip club.

[1355] Yeah, it's a week's worth of fucking money.

[1356] You're doing it, girls.

[1357] You're already doing it.

[1358] So they're like, and the boyfriend says, now just keep a low profile and everything will be fine.

[1359] Oh, I bet they do.

[1360] Yeah, they absolutely go.

[1361] What they do is they go to the mall while they change their clothes.

[1362] Oh, good.

[1363] So they change out of their crime blouses, and they go to the mall for a shopping screen.

[1364] Oh, hell, that's what you do.

[1365] Yeah, moments after you rob a bag.

[1366] Yeah.

[1367] So there's apparently a fancy salon here called Carter and Barnes that's in the mall.

[1368] They went to Carter and Barnes and asked to get their hair bleached Barbie style.

[1369] And while they're there getting their hair done, their picture goes up on the news.

[1370] No. And everyone in the salon is talking about the Barbie bandits.

[1371] Oh, my God.

[1372] And they're just sitting there like, so the police, when the police put this picture up, We're like, if you know who these two people are.

[1373] And their moms are like, that's my daughter.

[1374] That's obviously my daughter.

[1375] Hundreds of people called in and said, that's Perris Hilton and Nicole Richie.

[1376] It kind of match them really well.

[1377] They do.

[1378] It's really good.

[1379] Oh, God.

[1380] That gives me flashbacks of 2007.

[1381] I mean, I remember when Paris Hilton first hit the scene and people would not stop talking about her, and I thought to myself, oh, it's the.

[1382] end of civilization.

[1383] Little did I fucking know.

[1384] Oh, yeah.

[1385] She is like, she is like the four horsemen of the apocalypse just by herself.

[1386] She tried to tell us.

[1387] Okay.

[1388] So almost immediately, everyone that knows them from the strip club is like, listen, those are two high school strippers that we all know and love and support their art. So the cops immediately know it's And they're just looking for them.

[1389] So two days after the bank robbery, they get pulled over in driving the getaway car, the same car that I'm sure the parking lot camera took a picture of them in.

[1390] Inside the car, they still have the original ransom note just balled up and thrown down.

[1391] Are you fucking kidding me?

[1392] And of course the new mootts and then a big bag of pot.

[1393] So this was before it was legal.

[1394] so it was bad, bad, bad.

[1395] Also, Ashley had a huge bag of ecstasy on her.

[1396] Oh, shit.

[1397] I mean, you can tear for it.

[1398] But it's illegal to having a big bag.

[1399] Just throw it in the trunk just for that one trip.

[1400] If you have already robbed the bank and you're kind of like on the run in a way, don't put drugs in your pockets just for a little while.

[1401] Yeah.

[1402] Yeah, all of it.

[1403] She's like leaving.

[1404] He's trying to pick what she's.

[1405] going to put in her purse, and she's like, big bag of ecstasyan.

[1406] No. Yeah.

[1407] Ah, I just want it.

[1408] Okay.

[1409] So they're both immediately arrested.

[1410] It's two days later.

[1411] With our new blonde highlights.

[1412] Nicole in Paris, right?

[1413] But look at those hot roots.

[1414] They're like, fucking, can you get this slightly more yellow?

[1415] It's 2007.

[1416] Look at those micro highlights.

[1417] Yeah.

[1418] Oh, that's, all right.

[1419] Go on, I have.

[1420] Also, we can just do a quick eyebrow check on Ashley.

[1421] Oh, shit.

[1422] Yeah.

[1423] Shit, those eyebrows.

[1424] You just don't want to do anything too permanent with the brows.

[1425] No. They fight you coming back.

[1426] Oh, my God, those eyebrows, I can't even look at them.

[1427] They're so sad.

[1428] Also, some people in their moochers, do they use a camera that brings out all the redness in your skin?

[1429] Uh -huh.

[1430] It's not fair.

[1431] No, it's not fair.

[1432] It's not stared at any of that.

[1433] That's our new cause.

[1434] Can we get a nice...

[1435] Truthing fucking...

[1436] What do they call?

[1437] Mug shots.

[1438] Get some...

[1439] What do you call those?

[1440] The filters.

[1441] Just a nice deer filter.

[1442] They could both be cats or deer or have very large eyes for reasons no one can explain.

[1443] Okay.

[1444] Listen.

[1445] I'm just dressed coming away the fuck out.

[1446] I know.

[1447] Okay.

[1448] Yes, thank you.

[1449] Lisa, who's Heather's mother, gets the call, that her daughter has been arrested.

[1450] Her 19 -year -old daughter is facing up to 10 years in prison for robbery.

[1451] And she's just like, but she was going to go to college.

[1452] So I picture her reacting.

[1453] Heather, on the other hand, is having a great old time.

[1454] She's in the interrogation room with two cops, and they say, it'll be better for you if you just tell us where the money is.

[1455] So she pulls $1 ,000 out of her bra.

[1456] She's just like, all right, the cops are like, hold on.

[1457] Jesus Christ.

[1458] Let's take a break.

[1459] Everyone leaves the room.

[1460] That was too hot for the interrogation room.

[1461] She's like, makes it rain on two cops.

[1462] Heather knows.

[1463] Scarface poster suddenly behind her.

[1464] You put that up in the interrogation room.

[1465] Okay.

[1466] At the trial, Heather Johnson is sentenced to 10 years probation with community service.

[1467] Ashley Miller pleads guilty to theft and drug distribution, so she gets 10 years in jail, but she serves two years and then is released on probation in 2010.

[1468] What the fuck?

[1469] That's them.

[1470] That's when their look really came together at the trial.

[1471] Wow, that's some hair.

[1472] You had to have either of their hair for the rest of your life or their eyebrows.

[1473] Or the eyebrows.

[1474] For us your life.

[1475] Which would it be?

[1476] I can fill in the eyebrows.

[1477] I can't balance that hair.

[1478] I am the literal opposite of any concept of a blonde in any way.

[1479] I would just be like, start looking at me. I don't.

[1480] Oh, man. Well, it's nice to be white.

[1481] Carlton and blend or whatever.

[1482] What's it called?

[1483] Carter and Barnes.

[1484] Carter and Barnes, lady gentleman, for all your strip bleach needs.

[1485] Okay.

[1486] From masterminding the crime, Ashley's boyfriend gets 10 years in jail.

[1487] And the Superior Court Judge Mary Staley said to him, For the theft, you used others, you orchestrated it, you sat in the back, and you put the pawns out there to do it.

[1488] And the bank teller, yeah, the bank teller who's already on five years probation, he gets five years, and then five years in jail in another five years.

[1489] And then Bank of America's like, but come on back when you're done.

[1490] But you know what, whenever you're done, buddy.

[1491] Sets more shit up at the old Kroger B of A. So this is one of my favorite postscripts of all time.

[1492] Oh, by the way, the NWACP absolutely called for an investigation into that case because the two hot blonde, white blonde girls were like, oh, I guess I'll get an ankle bracelet and I'll do better later.

[1493] And then the two black guys were like, you go to jail.

[1494] So they did look into that.

[1495] 2007, it's like it was 25, 250 years ago, but hopefully things like that can change.

[1496] in 2011, this is just a fun post script.

[1497] Ashley is arrested again.

[1498] Ashley was Nicole Ritchie.

[1499] She's being played by Nicole Ritchie in this.

[1500] She got into a fist fight outside of bar.

[1501] Oh, my God, of course she did.

[1502] In a parking lot in 2010.

[1503] And then reporting officer who approached them, it was two girls beating a woman that was on the ground.

[1504] Oh, no. Our friend Ashley was one of the beaters.

[1505] And When the cop walked up, he didn't name which one, but he said, one of the two women was beating the woman on the ground with a knee -length leather boot.

[1506] Oh.

[1507] So the party has not ended for Ashley or hopefully Heather.

[1508] And that is the story of the Barbie Bandits.

[1509] Twist and turns.

[1510] A special guest for you.

[1511] Vince, he is just bringing him.

[1512] Vince, any word from the tour booth?

[1513] I used to have a T -Mobile sidekick.

[1514] Oh, really?

[1515] Pick that thing open.

[1516] People were always checking the internet on there because it's the only one that could do it at the time.

[1517] Was the sidekick the first?

[1518] As far as I know.

[1519] Okay.

[1520] Someone else said something else.

[1521] All right, I'm going to go get the guy.

[1522] My time's up.

[1523] All right.

[1524] Thank you, Vince.

[1525] Thank you.

[1526] She's here from your hometown.

[1527] And it's been real supported from the beginning.

[1528] Yes.

[1529] He has his own podcast.

[1530] Yeah.

[1531] Please help us welcome from stuff you should know, Chuck Bryant.

[1532] Yeah.

[1533] Take a deep breath.

[1534] Let's think about it for a while.

[1535] He also has a second podcast called Movie Crush.

[1536] Yeah.

[1537] did a blams episode that was quite fun.

[1538] I'm so sorry.

[1539] These fucking murderinos.

[1540] Crazy.

[1541] And you're from here, right?

[1542] You said you saw your first concert here ever?

[1543] Yeah, I saw it in 1983 when I was 12.

[1544] I saw Cheap Trick from up there.

[1545] I saw, you'll appreciate this, the Amnesty International Tour from over there.

[1546] Was that I'm not going to play Sun City, that era?

[1547] Yes, exactly.

[1548] Nice.

[1549] So, yeah, being on stage, you're, Thank you so much.

[1550] Dream come true.

[1551] Amazing.

[1552] So tell us your hometown.

[1553] It's a Redan High School and the University of Georgia.

[1554] Vultures, yes.

[1555] Go vultures.

[1556] Go vultures.

[1557] And then moved away a lot of years and have been back for a while.

[1558] So I went with a case that I picked for a couple of reasons.

[1559] One is because it is a murder case, so it's very sad.

[1560] But she was a fucking badass.

[1561] Okay, great.

[1562] Along the way.

[1563] Yeah.

[1564] And there's these.

[1565] Tiniest sliver of silver lining at the end.

[1566] Great.

[1567] We love those.

[1568] It's small, but it's there.

[1569] So it's a murder of Meredith Emerson.

[1570] Wow.

[1571] You all probably remember was like 10 years ago.

[1572] And she went to the University of Georgia and was hiking one weekend in the National Forest with her dog Ella on New Year's Day, 2008.

[1573] Oh, wow.

[1574] And a fucking creep named Gary Hilton, who was like 62 years old.

[1575] or right came up on her in the woods and he had a dog she had a dog and she was like a grandpa to her because she was 24 and she was like well we can go hiking together for a little while I know so because she is 24 and he's 61 she like kind of got out in front of him and left him it was not a lute trail that literally would have probably saved her life she had to double back and come back and when she came back he was there with a fucking hunting knife overpowered her and the one thing that he told the cops later on was through this whole thing, she fought him so hard until he was like, and I didn't think she was going to fight anymore and she kept fucking fighting.

[1576] She had a I know, right?

[1577] She had a blue belt in some sort of martial art and at her memorial service, her instructor gave her a posthumous black belt.

[1578] I know.

[1579] So he ends up keeping her for 72 hours.

[1580] No. In the woods and in his van, driving her to random ATMs to get money.

[1581] And every single time, I think at this point she starts to, like, cooperate a little bit trying to save her life.

[1582] And every single time she gives them a fake number, so it would alert the bank and give a fucking trail of where they're going.

[1583] Oh, that is so smart.

[1584] She's on it, which was amazing.

[1585] A couple of people see them along the way.

[1586] a former cop who was hiking that sees the mess on the trail of like her barret and water bottles and a dog leash and he meets up with these other people who were like, hey, I saw a creep in the woods who looked like he wanted us to leave and none of them call the cops, even though he was a former cop.

[1587] He didn't even...

[1588] No, no, no. Eventually they released the name of who they think this person is.

[1589] That guy eventually said, oh yeah, that's definitely the fucking guy.

[1590] He parks his van at the end the 72 hour run out of the end at ordeal and it turns out that he had tied her to a tree, went back to make some coffee, came back and she, it's so heartbreaking was like, I thought you had left and were going to just leave me out here.

[1591] So she was relieved to see him and he fucking killed her and cut her fucking head off.

[1592] The worst thing you could ever imagine.

[1593] Then that's when these people are like, Like, that's the guy, that's the guy.

[1594] In DeKalb County, not too far from here.

[1595] I guess this all happened on a mountain called Blood Mountain, by the way.

[1596] Jesus.

[1597] And someone called the cops and said, this guy, this van that I saw in the news, is at the gas station.

[1598] And he's got bottles of bleach.

[1599] Get here.

[1600] So he was just about to start dousing his van in bleach.

[1601] Not that it probably would have mattered.

[1602] The cops show up and arrest them.

[1603] He agrees to a plea deal.

[1604] to avoid the death penalty if he takes him to the body which he does and they ask her mom he releases the dog by the way before he does this and he was like it was really hard to kill her because we had just spent a few great days together I know so they talked to the mom in court about the plea deal and she said I'm fine with the plea deal because I want him to rot in prison for as long as possible and was like the death penalty is too easy way out for this fucking asshole so he does not get the death penalty he gets 30 years then they end up pinning a murder in Florida on him an elderly couple in North Carolina on him and possibly this one other guy and he got life for the couple in North Carolina at times too in the death penalty from Florida I guess it's all they roll and I think he's still in prison Today, the tiny sliver of silver lining is they found the dog four days later, and her parents took the dog in in Colorado.

[1605] And I think this is the last year, but for 10 years afterward, they had a run for Ella, which was the dog's name, which was a charity run, to raise money for organizations that help people feel safe in national forests and on hiking trips.

[1606] Wow, that's great.

[1607] Yeah.

[1608] that was her name was Meredith Emerson and it was a really big news in Atlanta was only 10 years ago and she just apparently just fucking kicked the shit out of this guy at every opportunity and it's really the saddest thing ever though yeah they always are that was a perfectly done home to and chuck his podcast is one of the first big huge podcast he was like early early days Oh, oh, and also he gave us this card that someone gave him.

[1609] The StaySexe Social is happening here in Atlanta, right?

[1610] It's benefits and the backlog.

[1611] It's on Sunday, this Sunday.

[1612] Get more information.

[1613] It's at www.

[1614] StaysexySocial .com.

[1615] Go to this and raise money.

[1616] And thanks for getting business cards made.

[1617] Classy shit.

[1618] We don't even have business cards.

[1619] We have to get business cards.

[1620] Oh, my God.

[1621] We have to do it right now.

[1622] Also, Payne Lindsay.

[1623] This is fucking Atlanta child murders.

[1624] Oh, my God.

[1625] The big time Atlanta podcasters.

[1626] I love you and not just because your name is Georgia.

[1627] But you guys are so supportive of us.

[1628] Thank you so much for telling you.

[1629] Because we post our live shows and the speeches that we give in the end are always, it sounds really hacky because we always say the same thing.

[1630] But it's very difficult to express the kind of gratitude that we have for, the listeners of this podcast and the way you guys interact, the way you guys support each other, the way you support us, the way you show up, the way you're vocal.

[1631] It's such an incredible experience to feel this connected to so many people and have this many best friends.

[1632] And we really thank you so much.

[1633] The reason we say this after every show is because truly the minute we walk out on stage, it's this insane feeling of, I can't believe this is my fucking line.

[1634] How did I get so lucky?

[1635] And it's all because of you guys being so supportive.

[1636] So thank you guys truly so much.

[1637] And we just really, really appreciate it.

[1638] So thank you.

[1639] Appreciate it, is what I meant to say.

[1640] Thank you so much.

[1641] Thank you, Atlanta.

[1642] Very sexy.