#724 - Christina Sommers

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[1] So you have a wonderful nickname, Ms. Summers.

[2] Do people you still use Ms. Is Ms. gone?

[3] I don't see that anymore.

[4] You see it on forms.

[5] MS as like a possible.

[6] But like, Harvard, was it Harvard?

[7] One of the major Ivy League schools was adding a bunch of different gender, different gender neutral pronouns, like Z -H -E, and they were adding.

[8] a bunch of crazy new ones that they have invented.

[9] Have you seen these?

[10] Yeah, things like Gyno American.

[11] That's a good one.

[12] What does that mean?

[13] That's what I am.

[14] A gyno American?

[15] I think I want to be one.

[16] Can I be a gyno American?

[17] Is that okay?

[18] Aspire.

[19] Do you have to be...

[20] One of your nicknames, though, is a based mom.

[21] Yes.

[22] Which is, I know that term from the rap world, like based.

[23] Like, there's...

[24] What's that dude, Lil B, the based god?

[25] Is that his name?

[26] But I didn't know what based means, but I've heard it used.

[27] a bunch of times and it's always a positive descriptive right that's right so i had to jamie's very he's into the hip -hop world if i have to go to him the young kids um so i had to google it and there's an urban dictionary definition it's based is all about being yourself and not caring about what anybody else thinks right so they use it as an script uh sorry they use it as a um an example it's when you don't care like that bag looks gay on you.

[28] I don't care.

[29] I'm based.

[30] I didn't know that.

[31] That seems like I thought that I thought it would be a different definition.

[32] I thought like based mom is like you're cool.

[33] That's what I thought.

[34] Yeah.

[35] And I said so because they called me that for quite a while.

[36] It's mainly the gamers and gamer.

[37] And then they explained that no, it means to be authentic.

[38] and you say what you think you're not hypocritical.

[39] So it's a, I mean, I think it's a great compliment being based and being a mom.

[40] It seems quite positive.

[41] Yes.

[42] But it was a very funny nickname.

[43] So you got involved in this whole Gamergate thing because I found out about you through, I guess through the whole Gamergate thing because someone had called me an MRA once.

[44] And I don't remember what the context of it was, but it was something involving something that had to do with feminism.

[45] and they called to me as a pejorative, and I was like, what is an MRA?

[46] So I had to Google it.

[47] And then when I realized it was men's rights advocate, and I was like, I can't believe that a feminist is making fun of me, it's using a negative term, men's rights advocate, so that it gets bad to care about men's rights?

[48] Like, what's going on here?

[49] So that made me get deeper into the rabbit hole of Ms. Christina Summers, and then I started watching your factual feminism, videos and I started listening to some of your conversations and I became very impressed but I also became very perplexed because you face a lot of backlash and I found that perplexing because everything that I saw you seem to be very reasonable very measured very informed like how did you polite very polite how did you get on this kind of crazy journey almost as like if I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like, I don't want to say you're redefining feminism, but you're redefining it after it's been redefined.

[50] Does that make sense?

[51] Right.

[52] They're actually taking it back to its original noble purpose, which was about equality, basic fairness to women that women and men should enjoy equal liberty and dignity rights, of course.

[53] But feminism has drifted into, I think, a kind of female chauvinism.

[54] And I became a feminist many years ago, decades ago because I did not appreciate male chauvinism.

[55] I still don't, but I don't like female chauvinism.

[56] That's what we have today, too much of that.

[57] And is there an origin of all this?

[58] I mean, there's there one thing that you could point to where this all started?

[59] Because it seems like the origins of, like, if you go back and watch like old movies and take a look at old culture, it's very clear there's a lot of sex going on.

[60] Like men would smack women in old movies and it was it was like it seemed like that's like in other than reading books that's the best interpretation of the time so if you go back to those 1950s films and look at how people treated each other it seems like there were much clear definitions that women were struggling against like this this idea that women were inferior that the whole stereotype of women belong barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen like this was this was what you young women were fighting against, where women period were fighting against when feminism sort of started its march.

[61] That's right.

[62] And then what happened, particularly in the academy, and I was teaching philosophy in the 1980s, and the chairman of my department asked me to teach a course in feminist theory.

[63] And I thought, fine, I'm a theorist, I'm a feminism.

[64] I sent away for the textbooks.

[65] I was shocked by what came through the mail.

[66] I spent the summer reading these books, and as a philosophy professor of many years, I thought there was a sacred commandment about college teaching.

[67] Thou shalt teach both sides of the argument.

[68] It never occurred to me. It was my job as the teacher to take my views about the world and implant them in the minds of my students.

[69] I wanted to give them the techniques to make their own decisions.

[70] And you do that.

[71] One way to do that is to give them the best that was thought and said on both sides of a contentious issue.

[72] Well, these textbooks were not like that.

[73] They were a series of mutually reinforcing readings.

[74] And it was a conspiracy theory about the patriarchy, buttressed by inflated statistics.

[75] So I, after spending a summer reading this books, I wrote a paper and gave, I went to the American Philosophical Association and presented it.

[76] And I will tell you, typically, at the American Philosophical Association, if you give a paper, people are, it's very combative.

[77] But then you go out for drinks.

[78] Well, we did not go out for drinks.

[79] I gave this paper.

[80] Women, mostly women in the audience, were hissing and booing, and I was excommunicated from a religion.

[81] I didn't even know existed.

[82] The Church of Feminism.

[83] I considered that I'd committed an act of heresy.

[84] What was your take on it that was so offensive?

[85] Well, I said that feminism should be about mutual respect.

[86] It should be about equality, not the demonization of men.

[87] It was as if they had, if you could reduce it to a few phrases, it would be, Women are from Venus, men are from hell.

[88] And I thought, that's absurd.

[89] Why would we want to teach courses like that that demonize men?

[90] Let's celebrate humanity and have, you know, and also accuracy.

[91] Because these texts were filled with what I've come to call advocacy statistics or in some cases hate statistics, sort of designed to create just anger in women.

[92] And they happen not to be true, but they work very well as propaganda.

[93] So as a philosophy professor, I was very upset to see classrooms being used to disseminate propaganda and twisted conspiracy theories about patriarchy.

[94] So I tried to correct it, and what happened was the radicals were already there in the academy, and they do not tolerate dissent well.

[95] I mean, you see it today on campus.

[96] What you're seeing happening on the campus today at Yale, these terrible confrontations between these, some are calling them cry bullies now.

[97] and professors and so forth, these angry mobs.

[98] I have been confronting them for years, but now the public is beginning to notice.

[99] Well, you've been confronting them only from the standpoint of feminism, right?

[100] I mean, what was going on in Yale was a professor had written a letter saying that children should probably have the right to be a little bit outrageous and perhaps even offensive in their Halloween costumes.

[101] Right.

[102] And just Halloween costumes, this led to this massive outrage.

[103] Explosion.

[104] Anger.

[105] What seems like to me, something about it just seems really fake.

[106] Something about it seems like there's people that have the green light.

[107] There's a lot of these issues where I feel like the reaction that people have, it's not a genuine reaction.

[108] That what the reaction represents is a green light to be an asshole.

[109] It's like if you think that you have.

[110] To be really mean.

[111] They're really mean these people.

[112] And they want people's jobs.

[113] They want their heads on a platter.

[114] I never argued with anybody that I wanted their, you know, to fire them.

[115] You want to convince them.

[116] But this is something different.

[117] This is a fanatical.

[118] Well, it's because there's a certain amount of power that's involved in social media, a certain amount of power involved in this.

[119] It is, in fact, a mob mentality.

[120] And a mob mentality is a very real mentality, whether it's an actual mob out on the street in the middle of a riot, or whether it's a bunch of people on Twitter that get riled, up into a frothy rage and start attacking people.

[121] The way this one girl was screaming at that professor who was speaking in very logical and very measured tones and she was screaming at him.

[122] And mob can't be reasoned with.

[123] It's the worst possible display of irrationality and to have it on a campus.

[124] And right now the deans, the college presidents, they are so craven and they are writing these, you know, self -abnegating letters and saying, oh, I'm so sorry, and I honor this conversation, honor the conversation with an angry mob.

[125] I mean, it's sad.

[126] Well, it seems like what that woman did when she wrote that original letter was take a little bit of a chance against the mob, was take a little bit of a chance.

[127] And this is the reaction.

[128] The bomb was like, fuck you.

[129] You know, no, we're the mob.

[130] And that woman screaming at her husband, oh, I believe it's her husband, right?

[131] Yes.

[132] A distinguished, I think he's a sociologist.

[133] And he was being very fair and engaging them outside in the open in this incredibly large group, but it was funny how he had to do it because there were so many people around, and some of them couldn't hear what he was saying.

[134] He's saying, well, I will raise my voice so that you will be able to hear me, but I'm not yelling at her.

[135] I'm raising my voice.

[136] So you can hear me. And then they'd say, don't yell at us.

[137] Exactly.

[138] He would turn to one group of students because they would say, you're not looking at us.

[139] He would turn.

[140] And then the students behind it would say, you're not, you know, this man could not win.

[141] He was in a terrible situation, all because of Halloween costumes.

[142] Exactly.

[143] These children, these children, I call them children.

[144] I wouldn't have called college students children, but now they're so infantile.

[145] But it's worse than that.

[146] It's infantile, yes, but it's infused with bitter, divisive, hardline politics that they learned in their classrooms.

[147] And that's how I tie it to what I read in these textbooks, these parents.

[148] paranoid theories.

[149] These theories that I read incited a fair amount of women, not most.

[150] I mean, I think most college women would read these texts and just move on, but about 10 to 15 % will become fixated and sort of intoxicated with rage.

[151] And I saw it over the years.

[152] And now, I mean, the same similar things have gone on with race scholarship and gender politics.

[153] There's similar phenomena.

[154] Well, it seems to me that certain ideologies can become like, They can become contagious.

[155] And they're also very intoxicating.

[156] It's very intoxicating to be a part of a group that's being opposed and that is opposing.

[157] You're on a team.

[158] You're in a war.

[159] You're on an army.

[160] And you're against the patriarchy.

[161] You have an enemy.

[162] And you're against whatever the hell it is.

[163] Like when those kids stormed that, did you see the latest one where they, there's a study hall.

[164] And these kids in there are studying.

[165] And these guys came into a sign screaming, Black Lives Matter.

[166] black lives matter like okay do you are these people who are studying are they're the ones who are pressing you are they who are you trying to impart this wisdom to i know they went it was ridiculous i saw it and and if if the students didn't get up and join them they came over and accused them yes it looked like a struggle session or something in a fanatical government and they don't have power but what if they did yes they would be very scary well it looked like an onion article come to life.

[167] I know.

[168] The world has become, and on campus is an onion cartoon.

[169] Yeah, it's almost impossible to distinguish.

[170] So what caused all this, though?

[171] How did this happen?

[172] Why are there not more measured, intelligent people that are trying to raise children and teach them how to be measured and intelligent adults and look at things objectively?

[173] Like, what is causing this underlying sort of theme that's this delusional theme that's repeating itself?

[174] Well, first of all, there are lots of reasonable professors.

[175] Even in women's studies, there are reasonable professors but they are not the vocal there's a vocal minority of professors who are apparently for certain students charismatic and they have for years been teaching these paranoid views of the world and inciting rage against men, gender profiling of men, and they have a following.

[176] And this little following has been there all along.

[177] But about two years ago, the Department of Education sent out essentially an edict, warning colleges that if you don't take strong measures against sexual harassment and the rape culture, they didn't use the word rape culture, but they alluded to it, if you do not take all of these measures, you will be held accountable and can lose your funding.

[178] Now, to the department's credit, they wanted to do something about campus assault.

[179] That's fine.

[180] But they went too far.

[181] They believed the propaganda about what's happening on the college.

[182] And they gave a cure that was worse than the disease.

[183] I mean, the cure was to turn campuses into a little pink police state, some call them, feminist police states, where every joke is now, monitored and you're supposed to be reporting other students if you hear a remark that could be interpreted as sexist.

[184] And this is happening at public universities where the last time I looked were, you know, part of, you know, the U .S. Constitution applies.

[185] The students are being policed by people that have no right to do it, but this was incited by the Department of Education.

[186] How bizarre.

[187] So that's the original, that's the root.

[188] If you go back, look, when did words like trigger warning, safe space, microaggression, you know, we didn't hear these three, four years ago.

[189] What happened was these angry groups who've always been there, they were empowered by the Assistant Secretary of Education, the Department of Education.

[190] She basically told them you can make a federal case out of, you know, someone walking by and, you know, a microaggression.

[191] And they consider everything.

[192] A man does a microaggression.

[193] What is a microaggression, like give me a definition of a microaggression.

[194] Well, an aggressive thing would be to punch somebody or to use an obvious, you know, just intolerably sexist or racial slur.

[195] A microaggression would be, what's something that is demeaning, but, you know, a person doesn't necessarily intend it.

[196] And they would say, you know, somebody saying, hi, beautiful.

[197] That's a microaggression.

[198] Oh, yeah.

[199] A man holding a door open for a girl.

[200] For many, that would be, that's benevolent sexism, and those are microaggressive.

[201] Maybe not micro, maybe nanoaggression.

[202] What if you're a straight man and you hold open a door for a lesbian?

[203] Well, if she's a nice person, she'll be grateful.

[204] What if you're a gay man, you hold open a door for a straight man?

[205] Do you get accused of microaggression there?

[206] It seems like perhaps there's a flirting involved.

[207] You know, you're trying to tease out the logical implications of their views.

[208] Can't mess with it.

[209] You can't.

[210] You said before it's a rabbit hole.

[211] You will never emerge.

[212] a sane person over the last two years or so when I started going down this rabbit hole I started visiting these websites and visiting a lot of forums that you could easily just called echo chambers and looking at what happens first of all when someone disagrees even politely they're banned instantly when someone had any there was one was a topic about sexual assault in terms of drinking about what is what is rape and the the subject was they were discussing they were accusing someone a man of rape because he and a woman had gotten drunk together and had sex so the man had raped the woman and it was it was very bizarre because they say that and you'll say wait a minute what if they are both equally drunk they And I asked this, I was at a debate at the University of Virginia.

[213] I debated a law professor.

[214] I said, then, are you saying two people could rape each other at the same time?

[215] You know, they're both drunk.

[216] And she thought that was a perfectly possible, you know, situation.

[217] And that is such a degradation of language, a trivialization of a serious crime, but they have expanded the meaning of terms.

[218] So that now sexual assault encompasses just normal behavior that people enjoy.

[219] which is, it has been known to happen that people have drinks and then have sex.

[220] Well, it's a giant percentage of the culture becomes rapist then.

[221] Yes, most of the people even throughout history and throughout the world today.

[222] Yeah, 90 % of the adults of the world would probably be deemed rapists.

[223] And I also don't understand why it is automatically the guy's fault.

[224] If it's consensual, I'm not talking about someone being incapacitated, blackout drunk.

[225] that's reasonable people would see that as an assault but just at you're both really drunk and you have sex why is he the rapist because that tends to be what happens on the campus they do blame the young man they don't say you raped each other they they will take her side if if she can show they'd had drinks and I find this another strange thing that's happening with feminism today is that it's going back I call it fainting couch feminism it's almost as if we're going back to the Victorian era where there was delicate ladies preyed upon by men and as if the women aren't moral agents.

[226] I mean, if you take a lot of drinks, you probably have made a decision to lower your inhibitions and be wild.

[227] All kinds of things are going on that would explain that you're still an agent in charge of yourself, self -mastery.

[228] But they deny this of women.

[229] It's all as a women have no agency and are constantly triggered, need safe spaces.

[230] At Brown University, by the way, they had two feminists debating.

[231] One of them was a libertarian, Wendy McElroy, and she didn't believe the statistics.

[232] And another was Jessica Valenti, a hardline feminist.

[233] They were debating.

[234] But that was fine.

[235] It was a debate.

[236] You'd think that would make everyone happy.

[237] Both sides well represented.

[238] No, the Brown feminists were traumatized by the very idea that someone would be invalidating our experience.

[239] They used that phrase.

[240] And they formed a safe room, a safe space where you could go, which had videotapes of frolicing puppies, coloring books, bubbles, stuffed animals.

[241] No. For adults?

[242] And this was described in the New York Times, a cover story in the New York Times magazine by Judith Shulovitz.

[243] And this was the safe space.

[244] And you read it and you're astonished of the infanilization.

[245] Puppies?

[246] Puppies.

[247] Frolicking, puppies.

[248] Safe spaces.

[249] Bubbles.

[250] Coloring books.

[251] Yeah, I get it.

[252] It's kindergarten for college girls.

[253] It hurts my brain.

[254] It hurts.

[255] I just don't, I think there's a connection that a lot of people have that somehow or another sex with regret is bad.

[256] It's negative.

[257] And that sex with regret when it comes to alcohol that perhaps, since men are, classically the pursuers that there's coercion involved and even though the man is intoxicated he did that on his own he did that in order to sort of lure the girl in and then have sex with her but that's not rape and at the end of the day even though that's kind of sleazy behavior at the end of the day it's just sex like why is sex so bad like it's sex is not terrible what's terrible is rape actual rape is terrible and being terrified and you know thinking you're to be killed or whatever or some horrible experience, and this is a bad date, you know, or a bad hookup, I guess, what they would call it, and where you were, you know, you didn't know, maybe you'd regret it the next day.

[258] And we do see on campus, I've watched these cases where these young women will, they wouldn't, they don't report these things.

[259] And sometimes they have to take a gender studies class a year later, and then they bring charges.

[260] And there is no way, it's metaphysically impossible to have any evidence of what happened.

[261] but if she can, and young men have been thrown off campus or, you know, sort of tarred with the stigma of being a rapist.

[262] I had Thaddeus Russell on, who's an author and a professor at Occidental, and he was talking about how there was a case where a man and a woman who were going to school there got drunk and had sex, and the man was accused of rape because of this and kicked out of school.

[263] And the girl stayed.

[264] They were both equally drunk.

[265] She sent him text saying, you know, come on over.

[266] Oh, I know.

[267] Do you have condoms?

[268] Like the whole deal.

[269] Yeah.

[270] It was, but somehow or another, you're not responsible for sexual activity when you're drunk, but you are responsible for driving.

[271] You're responsible if you commit violence.

[272] You're not exonerated from any of those things if you're drunk.

[273] But somehow, if a woman has sex when she's drunk with a man, there's a man involved.

[274] We'll try this out on the LAPD.

[275] You, you know, you drink a lot, and let's say, I get stopped by the police.

[276] police and then I say, he gave me drinks.

[277] He gave me drinks.

[278] I have, you know, oh, then they arrest him?

[279] I don't think so.

[280] I think that we recognize that I would be the guilty part.

[281] But in this article that I was, or this forum that I was reading where they were accusing this guy, his name is Michael Shermer.

[282] I don't know if you know who he is, you know his story.

[283] It's a famous skeptic.

[284] Oh, yes, of course I know the story.

[285] Well, he was, he was the guy who was accused, and he was accused of being a woman.

[286] a womanizer and a drunk and that he got some girl drunk and had sex with and they were calling it rape and one of the things that they were saying during this whole thing was someone had come in and said well why is it that when you're drunk you're responsible for all these other things but you're not responsible for sex and that person was immediately banned from the forum they were immediately kicked out like you can't entertain that angle you can't entertain that possibility well that's what that's that's why it's it's I would call these people fanatics because it's not simply that they want to do all they can to promote their side they don't want the other side to get a hearing they do not believe in intellectual pluralism or political pluralism it's my side and only my side and everyone is discredited immediately simply for not agreeing with them and they're being reinforced by these incredibly bizarre men these male feminist men and not all of them I mean, some of them are doing it for all the right reasons.

[287] Some of them are doing it because they want equality and they think that women should be treated as equals.

[288] But there's a lot of them are doing it for social brownie points.

[289] And they're doing it to be considered as like a higher ethical or moral standard to the women that they're pursuing.

[290] Well, I think a lot of them do it also because they believe it.

[291] And maybe they had very feminist mothers, reinforced by teachers.

[292] And then if they took gender studies, my goodness, that, you know, it's all there in the texts.

[293] And so people, I mean, I forgive students because I know that they have gone through relentless propaganda when it comes to gender.

[294] Because the gender police have, the gender activists have not allowed dissident voices.

[295] And that we are here, there are many professors that agree with me, people like Camille Pahlia and Wendy Kaminer, many journalists, like the great, you know, Kathy Young and on and on.

[296] But we have been, you know, demonized and our voices are not, you know, we're not invited to the table.

[297] Well, classically feminine women are also demonized.

[298] Women who wear skirts and like high heels and like the just painted nails and makeup and things that, you know, people may enjoy that look.

[299] For some reason, that's a negative thing.

[300] Like some reason you're falling into what the patriarchy is set up for you.

[301] You're fulfilling their self -demeaning stereotypes in some way.

[302] You can't like it.

[303] You can't like lipstick.

[304] You know, you're not allowed to like fake eyelashes or whatever the hell you like wearing.

[305] Unless you're transsexual.

[306] If you're transsexual, you're allowed to go a full whole hog, Betty Davis from the 1950s.

[307] You could do whatever you want.

[308] Yeah, there are different schools.

[309] I mean, some of them don't, they don't go after that.

[310] but they want you to know that femininity and masculinity are strictly performances, that none of it has a basis in biology.

[311] That's where it gets crazy, right?

[312] I think it gets very crazy.

[313] Social constructs.

[314] They're social constructs.

[315] Well, it's partly, of course, culture plays a role, but biology does too.

[316] And there's a kind of nature -nurture divide, and it's not sensible to teach students both.

[317] And if you look at the biologists, the physiologists, many of the psychologists, they'll tell you there are very clear male -female differences.

[318] And not that everyone embodies them, but most of us do.

[319] And so they're denying what almost everyone can see with their own eyes.

[320] So that's also people that can really buy into this sort of gender, intense gender activism.

[321] They have to be able to believe what they're reading in the text and not what they see.

[322] with their eyes or even in their own hearts.

[323] So it has the makings of, as I've said, of sort of fanatical movement.

[324] Well, it's loony.

[325] It's not just fanatical.

[326] It's bizarre like you're listening to some of the things that people say.

[327] I watched a video where a woman was talking about gender being a social construct, and she was talking about the differences that are often cited between men and women physically, and they're just because of physical activity, that the activities that the men choose versus the activities that the women choose.

[328] and if the women engaged in the same activities, they would have the same physical abilities as the men.

[329] I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?

[330] Like, that's denying testosterone, the role it plays in muscle development, and the difference in bone structure.

[331] It's denying.

[332] Science.

[333] Yeah, I mean, people talk about, oh, on the right, they're anti -science and there's some of that.

[334] But on the left, it's more consequential because these people are in the universities.

[335] Cooke's on the right, tend not to be, on the right.

[336] campuses.

[337] But these people are teaching in our most elite schools.

[338] Well, gender is the only area where it doesn't seem like you are allowed to have an objective conversation about the statistics or the facts.

[339] Like if you question things or if you have any questions about the facts or the statistics, you become like you become questioned like you're a bad person.

[340] You're a person with alternative motives.

[341] Like you can't just be looking at an objective like, how What is the number one?

[342] Like someone had told me one in four women have been raped.

[343] And I'm like, wow, that doesn't seem right.

[344] Like one and four women have met creeps, 100%.

[345] It's probably more like 90.

[346] 90 % of women have met creeps, right?

[347] How many have actually been raped?

[348] Is it one and four?

[349] Is that real?

[350] So we started Googling it and, you know, we found all these different numbers.

[351] But there's no hardline numbers.

[352] And that could be attributed to a bunch of things.

[353] First of all, the very real fact that many women that have been involved in a horrible situation like that, don't want to report it.

[354] They don't want to be shamed.

[355] They don't want to just, they would rather pretend it didn't happen and move on with their life.

[356] They'd rather bury it.

[357] That is a certain percentage of the population.

[358] And then how many have actually been raped?

[359] I mean, how many have been, how many have falsely accused men of rape when nothing really happened?

[360] You can't even say that.

[361] If you say that, if you even admit that that's a reality, you are some sort of an apologist, you're a rape apologist, you're a rape enabler.

[362] A rape denier.

[363] Yeah, there's something, but these are facts that's happened to friends of mine.

[364] I've had friends that have absolutely not raped someone and been accused of it and had to go to court and had to deal with a bunch of things and hire lawyers and eventually the charges were dropped, but the fact remains that they were accused.

[365] Right, of course it happens.

[366] This one in four and one in five, it's been around for years.

[367] What is the origin of it?

[368] Oh, it started with research promoted by Ms. Magazine.

[369] It was one of the original, what I call advocacy studies.

[370] It was someone that did a study, not to find the truth, but to buttress an ideology about patriarchy.

[371] In this case, I don't want to keep going after her, but it was a professor at the time.

[372] Well, I think she's at the University of Arizona.

[373] And she, if you look at the survey, she asked a series of questions, so some of them were good.

[374] And she didn't ask, were you ever raped?

[375] If you ask people, you get a very low number.

[376] So what they've learned to do is ask around and say, have you ever been violently threatened and then someone had sex?

[377] Well, that's fine.

[378] But she also said, have you ever had sex when you didn't want to because a man gave you alcohol?

[379] And anybody that said yes was counted as a rape victim.

[380] Now, I can imagine cases where you had sex when you didn't want to because, you know, you passed out.

[381] No one denies that as rape.

[382] But this question invited people that to think, well, Well, yeah, I did have sex.

[383] I really wish I hadn't had it.

[384] And yeah, I was drunk.

[385] All those people.

[386] Now this became the basis.

[387] This study became the basis for the one in four number.

[388] Now it's one in five because there have been other studies that sort of copied this methodology.

[389] The second thing she found, the vast majority of the women did not think it was rape.

[390] They thought it was miscommunication.

[391] So they did not agree that she was classifying it as rape and put that number out there.

[392] And I think a majority dated their alleged rapist again.

[393] not what you would expect from someone who's a victim of a heinous, you know, crime.

[394] So they ask vague questions, and then they get their numbers.

[395] And then it gets into the media.

[396] And the media doesn't realize, I think, that the gender scholars have an agenda, and they're not like, if you teach into women's studies, I don't want to say women's studies because there are serious scholars, but if you're in a gender studies department or gender theory, your views are not checked by objective scholars.

[397] They're just checked by other people that share your worldview.

[398] So there hasn't been this quality control.

[399] Like it would be in the sciences.

[400] Exactly.

[401] So we're getting a lot of just specious statistics that are out there.

[402] This one in four is the classic case.

[403] When the Bureau of Justice Statistics, which sets the gold standard for research on crime, they find on the campus that the number is closer to one in 50.

[404] one in fifty three for sexual assault and they define sexual assault by is that rape it's both rape and it's uh you know some kind of serious physical that's still pretty horrible it's terrifying it's terrible every two one in 50 is awful it is but but one in 50 versus one and four it's the difference between like war torn Congo and the you know in the United States right one and four is the Congo right it's probably not it's probably more like 90 % Congo's pretty horrible.

[405] There are places in time of war where rape is used as a weapon of war and the rates are, but Swarthmore College, Yale University, Berkeley, they are not the war -torn Congo.

[406] So, yeah, there is too much.

[407] I always say there is too much sexual assault on campus, and it is probably part of the combination of the hookup culture and the binge -drinking culture.

[408] It's a big problem.

[409] but it's not a problem of patriarchy.

[410] It's probably, you know, just, it needs a different solution.

[411] But what they do is want to make it seem as though we have these sex criminals, these predators hunting for young women on the campus.

[412] And it's probably, you know, an awkward 19 -year -old boy who, you know, thought this girl liked him and they got drunk and had sex, and then she can say that he was a rapist.

[413] And he had no intention and no awareness of doing anything.

[414] wrong.

[415] And he could be ruined.

[416] I mean, instantly ruined.

[417] I hear from some of these young men and I know of a psychologist.

[418] Psychology, a psychologist are beginning to get these young men in their practice because they come in.

[419] They are devastated.

[420] You become a non -person and you are shamed.

[421] I mean, it's one of the worst things you can do to a person.

[422] If you're a victim of a crime, it's a horrible thing, but people will sympathize with you and your dignity is intact.

[423] But if you are accused of being like, I mean, it's like being accused of being a child molester or to be called a rapist, it's not much better, and people revile you.

[424] And now we're doing this very casually young men on our campuses can be called a rapist because of a drunken hookup, and then he will bear that stigma for life because the Internet never forgets.

[425] And in some cases, the colleges will put it on his record.

[426] and when he goes to transfer I'm just going to get out of here and start over he can't because it's there so we've got to change this this is a terrible miscarriage of justice now this person you don't have to name her but the woman who created this study Mary Koss how dare you actually she's become more reasonable lately with the that's probably blowback to people recognizing that her statistics are kind of shitty I think she's shocked by what's happened Well, she became quite famous and quite sought after because of this.

[427] That's very intoxicating as well.

[428] Yes, you can.

[429] Here's the thing to know about academia.

[430] You can make a career on documenting victimization, especially if you can get high numbers, victimization of women.

[431] Now, if you come in with low numbers, it's the opposite.

[432] It can be career diminishing.

[433] And there are very serious, wonderful criminologists who did studies and came up with relatively low figures.

[434] and they become demonized.

[435] They found themselves not invited, you know, to apply for jobs or denied tenure.

[436] There are no motives.

[437] There's no motive right now to tell the truth about women's victimization.

[438] There are huge incentives to exaggerate it, and so it stays there unchallenged.

[439] I think the journalists don't fully understand this.

[440] They said, but I got this from a scholar at the University of Arizona.

[441] I got this from a scholar at Cornell.

[442] What they don't know as this scholar may be an ideologue or had an agenda that got in the way of her or sometimes his objectivity.

[443] Well, it seems like this is the type of cyclical thing, these reinforcing ideologies that you're going to teach these children, these children will grow up to complete their education and become professors and continue that sort of cycle without.

[444] ever breaking this pattern and it could be a real problem if if the universities continue to teach these ideologies without question without some sort of a some sort of a reality review but it seems like their peers are just reinforcing ideologists so what what how does that how does this ever get fixed well I don't know it has to maybe it gets fixed from you maybe be doing your videos.

[445] Well, doing those videos, you're so calm and logical, and, you know, you're very reasonable, and they have a tremendous amount of views.

[446] And I think there's a lot of people that when they get called a rape apologist or a bigot or whatever that they don't, when they don't agree with it, they get angry and then they join the other team.

[447] They were like, well, fuck these feminists.

[448] They're all crazy bitches.

[449] You know, I'm on team men.

[450] and like Alfalfa joined the he -man woman haters club, you know?

[451] Remember that, our gang?

[452] Most people don't, I'm old.

[453] But the reality is most people, I think most people just want to be around nice people.

[454] Most people.

[455] Most people, and most people, they don't want to discriminate.

[456] I think most people don't want to discriminate about when it comes to race or when it comes to gender or when it comes to anything.

[457] Most people just want people to rise through their life or get through whatever they're trying to get through by virtue of the quality of their acts by virtue of their behavior by virtue of their work like you want to treat people the way they deserve to be treated and we all want to sort of elevate through this existence so this idea that there's these teams the problem is you get pushed back from one side and then you just join the other team well it's making it's it is creating blowback but it most people I don't think even join another team they just withdraw.

[458] Right.

[459] Not everybody's temperamentally suited to be in this.

[460] It's combat.

[461] Right.

[462] And believe me, I did not, I didn't consciously think, oh, I'm going to confront these people and be a, you know, a warrior.

[463] I thought, naively, I'm going to confront them.

[464] And then maybe I'm a little bit wrong, but they're a little bit wrong, and we'll meet in the middle.

[465] We'll meet in the middle or who knows.

[466] That didn't happen.

[467] So that's why I just don't like bullies.

[468] and we are there's just this gender studies is the result of sort of a massive endless bullying campaign by those who will not they just accept dissident voices yeah it's it's very strange it's a very strange predicament because i i don't see a clear exit strategy i look at this confusion and one of the things i also started doing after being called a men's rights advocate is to find out Well, what are these fucking crazy bastards into?

[469] You're his men's rights.

[470] Well, then they've got some goddamn good points, too, unfortunately.

[471] You know, you go to men's rights advocacy websites, and you see these horrible stories of these guys getting destroyed in divorce court and losing everything they have, being preyed upon by unscrupulous women that go after them and marry them and take all their money, and they have no recourse, and that they were set up, but women set up some sort of a, you got some restrained, restraining order against them by a judge and that sets up the idea that they're some sort of an abuser and without any physical proof they can be accused of these things and then when they go to court this all comes to light and then i've seen some crazy shit that i've read online about child custody battles where the men were accused of sexually molesting their children by the woman where there was no evidence whatsoever and the women coached the kids into saying these things horrific horrific stuff on both sides and then these men they all lump into these men's rights groups these guys that have been destroyed by women and then just decide that women are assholes decide that women are you know the enemy right and that they just want to go to south america and get prostitutes you know i mean i've literally read these articles where these guys are talking about like this is how you do it you go to south american you find a girl you know she's willing have sex with you for money and they're way hotter than american women i'm What the fuck is going on here?

[472] Well, you know, they need to know a couple of things.

[473] One is that, believe it or not, most women are still nice, and they love men and...

[474] I want to say most women.

[475] It's a good percentage.

[476] A good percentage.

[477] Right?

[478] And...

[479] 60 %?

[480] I don't know.

[481] A percentage, but let me put it this way.

[482] It's unusual to be that carried away with gender politics.

[483] Now, there may be more today because it's getting more currency and it's become sort of fashionable.

[484] So to be snarky and unpleasant.

[485] pleasant, but it's still, it doesn't, you have to be temperate, you have to be a little neurotic, I think, to be that vulnerable to these hate ideologies.

[486] So it's not the average young woman that would be vulnerable to these ideologies.

[487] But a lot are, you should have to stay away from them.

[488] But there are many sweet women out there who will not behave that way and are fair -minded.

[489] The other thing is that I don't call myself a men's rights activist.

[490] I'm not, I'm not advocating for men.

[491] I'm advocating for truth.

[492] It just happens that most of the misinformation, not all of it, but most of it is now targeted against men.

[493] So I do this weekly video series that, you know, I just try to correct a myth each week.

[494] And most of them are myths that are, they're feminist myths about how bad men are, and they're almost always wrong.

[495] And I correct them.

[496] So people say, well, you're a men's rights activist.

[497] No, I'm a human rights activist.

[498] I'm a truth activist, a common sense activist.

[499] And if you want to call me a men's right activist, fine.

[500] But that's not actually what I'm doing.

[501] Well, I have a friend, Kara Santa Maria, who's a brilliant scientist and neurosurgeon, or she was a neuroscientist rather, and just, not a surgeon just operating on brains, but she said, you're a feminist.

[502] And I'm like, I'm definitely not a feminist.

[503] I'm not.

[504] I'm a humanist.

[505] And that's a, it's a term that people like to use, but I'm an, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, people.

[506] I like smart people, whether they're men or women.

[507] I know, me too.

[508] I don't, I don't want there to be only men in power or only women in power.

[509] I think that's stupid.

[510] I think it's stupid.

[511] I like Chinese people.

[512] I like people from Vietnam.

[513] I like people from everywhere.

[514] I just, I like people that are interesting.

[515] And I just want you to be, I want people to actually be judged or to be, to be considered based on their merits, not based, like, instantly judged or demonized.

[516] because they happen to have a penis or instantly demeaned because they happen to have a vagina.

[517] I think it's stupid.

[518] It's stupid.

[519] It's identity politics and it's going nowhere.

[520] Right.

[521] Except all it does is divide people and make people bitter.

[522] Yes.

[523] And it has to stop.

[524] Now you say, well, how is it going to stop?

[525] Base mom.

[526] Well, I'm trying, but I'm also optimistic that there has to be a limit to irrationality and eventually it will fall.

[527] I just wish it would be sooner rather than.

[528] than later.

[529] Well, I think what we're dealing with today with our new access to information that we've enjoyed over the last decade or so, I think, two decades, but really it's sort of taking hold with social media where people don't just have access to information, but they also have a voice.

[530] You're finding echo chambers, like we discussed earlier, where you get these groups, these radical groups on both sides, is the red pill men's rights debate, debate people, and the people that are on the side of women's rights and then these male feminists and there's a thing called atheism plus which is fucking hilarious I can't figure out atheism plus what is it they can't figure it out I can't I thought is it a it's a religion oh it's basically a religion it's not no well okay there's no they're they're not they don't consider deities but they want a group of core ethical and moral values so I think if you wanted to boil it down a lot of people would be atheism plus inclined.

[531] The idea being that you want to be a good person and you don't want to be, you don't want to sexually discriminate or racially discriminate, and you also don't happen to believe in a magic person that lives in the clouds.

[532] Like, that seems fairly reasonable.

[533] Until you listen to these fuckers talk and they give the most pedantic, boring fucking lectures, oh my God, I sat down, I smoked a joint and I watched this one guy's lecture and I'm like, this is like the long You know, if they all those videos they do on dating sites where people, hi, I'm Mike.

[534] I like to play tennis.

[535] Like, this is like his version of it, just saying, you know, how abhorrent, you know, sexual discrimination was or racial discrimination was.

[536] It was basically like just open, it was duh.

[537] That's what it was.

[538] It was like, duh.

[539] You shouldn't murder people.

[540] Duh.

[541] You shouldn't steal.

[542] Duh.

[543] Like, who the fuck are you talking to?

[544] You're preaching to the choir.

[545] I mean, you were at a fucking atheism plus.

[546] conference and you're preaching about the idea that you shouldn't sexually or racially discriminate.

[547] And did the audience react well?

[548] Yes.

[549] It's fucking boring.

[550] What he's saying is boring.

[551] There's no original unique points.

[552] It's just reinforcing the idea, which is better than a hate rally.

[553] It's better than going to see a bunch of skinheads.

[554] Talk about the white man needs to get back to power.

[555] It's definitely better than that, but it's still a lot of duh.

[556] And what's the point of it, really?

[557] They get together.

[558] these conferences.

[559] They have atheism conferences.

[560] The point is, these are social gatherings where they all reinforce their ideas.

[561] And they're all PC.

[562] Is that what it is?

[563] They drink and then they rape each other.

[564] That's what happens.

[565] They drink and then they have sex and they're both raping.

[566] That's what happens.

[567] It's a lot of what these things are, social hookups.

[568] These people get together and it becomes a main focus of them.

[569] They also make a certain amount of money because they charge money for people to come to these gatherings.

[570] So they come to these gatherings.

[571] They run out like a conference hall somewhere.

[572] And they come.

[573] and they hand out pamphlets, and they sell t -shirts, and then they have these little parties and these little events, and then they, you know, you have to pay money to get a badge, and you go to this fucking thing, and these people talk, and then they drink.

[574] It's hilarious.

[575] Nothing gets done.

[576] I mean, literally, absolutely nothing gets done.

[577] But what they're doing is they're sort of reinforcing their ideas.

[578] They're not negative ideas.

[579] They're fairly positive ideas.

[580] It's like, it's not bad.

[581] It's not horrible.

[582] They're not bad people.

[583] They're good people.

[584] When the guy was standing there on that, the deus, and he was explaining all his core values.

[585] And I'm like, oh, good, I believe, I agree with you on everything.

[586] But fuck, man, you can't just say that.

[587] I think you should eat healthy food.

[588] I think you should get eight hours sleep at night.

[589] I think if you are driving in your car and an old lady's on the road, do not run her over.

[590] Yes, don't run the old lady over.

[591] You know, like, the fuck, man. Don't shoot puppies, you know?

[592] Don't fucking drown kittens.

[593] Oh, it's a lot of duh.

[594] There's a lot of that in, I think, in the academy where they will, it will be just bromides and pointless truisms then mixed in with harsher things.

[595] So they'll say, and we all agree, you should be respectful of other people and not demean them with costumes.

[596] And fine, I don't want to see someone in blackface or humiliating someone with a costume, but then they will, so that sounds fine, and we all agree, but then they will go after a museum because they have an exhibit of, you know, kimonos and say that's cultural appropriation.

[597] This is the new thing, cultural appropriating costume.

[598] So we can't, well, cultural appropriation, that is what most of the history of culture is.

[599] Well, it was a kimono night at a museum, right?

[600] Yes, a beautiful thing they were doing at the Museum of Fine Arts.

[601] They were bringing in exquisite kimonos, public was learning to appreciate them, and you could try one on, which I certainly would have wanted to do and have a picture, because they're so lovely.

[602] And I'm sure the Japanese love this.

[603] Most people, if other cultures are interested in your art forms, you're proud.

[604] Right.

[605] Well, people with too much time, on their hand, staged an angry intervention.

[606] This was a microaggression or a macroaggression.

[607] And I think the museum had to apologize.

[608] Yes, they're not going to do it anymore.

[609] It's so stupid.

[610] It's like if you go to a Hawaiian hotel, a lot of times they'll give you one of those grass skirts.

[611] They're pretty cool.

[612] They don't get mad.

[613] Oh, maybe we can't wear lays anymore when you wear it when you get?

[614] Well, they give them to you, they put them on, they say welcome.

[615] But even the, if you go to, over the border around in California to Tijuana, everyone's selling sombreros.

[616] They're going to drive them out of business with this.

[617] Well, they'll go.

[618] Cultural misappropriation.

[619] This is horrible.

[620] This is the patriarchy.

[621] Black Lives Matter.

[622] What about brown lives?

[623] Brown Lives Matter?

[624] Fuck.

[625] The whole thing is ridiculous.

[626] But it's, I think a lot of it is what we're saying.

[627] is that when we have social media and when you see these people that are saying all these things on social media that are, you know, a lot of people agree with, a lot of really relevant points when it comes to racism or sexism or all these things, why are they saying these things?

[628] Are they saying these things because these things are actually important to them?

[629] Or are they saying these things because they know people are going to read them and they're going to like them because of what they said.

[630] It's almost like the whole world is becoming slowly but surely a giant reality show.

[631] Because if you watch reality television, when those people behave on those shows, when those cameras are on them, they're very aware of those cameras are on them.

[632] So they say crazy shit, they do crazy things.

[633] I have a friend who has a friend who's one of those housewives, the real housewives.

[634] And it's a sad story.

[635] The real story is sad.

[636] She's just trying to get attention, and she wants to write books and try to make money, and she's a single mom.

[637] There's a lot of sadness behind it, the reality.

[638] But when you see her on the show, you see this big, boisterous, you see a lot of acting out, a lot of craziness.

[639] And you would go, oh, well, that girl is a this.

[640] But in reality, she's not, she's not a bad person.

[641] But she's being this bad person because she knows it's going to get a reaction.

[642] It's not a good reaction.

[643] It's not a very well -calculated one.

[644] But I think that's a lot of what you get from these so -called social justice warriors on Twitter, these hashtag activists.

[645] What you're getting from a lot of people is they're in a fucking giant reality show.

[646] They're in a giant reality show, and their method of communication is through Twitter or through Facebook posts or through YouTube videos or whatever the fuck it is.

[647] But when they're saying these things, they're not just communicating.

[648] They're communicating to try to get likes.

[649] They want to get up votes.

[650] They want people to favorite their tweets.

[651] And it's calculated.

[652] It's fake.

[653] There's a lot of bullshit to it.

[654] And I think you get a version of that in college campuses.

[655] Because to become like a really radical advocate and a radical activist and really become a part of this or to even, I'm going to have a hunger strike.

[656] Go for it, Johnny.

[657] Yeah, a hunger strike over Halloween cost.

[658] You know, women are only making 75 cents in the dollar.

[659] I'm going to starve myself.

[660] Like, fuck yeah.

[661] Yeah, you know, let's fight back against white people.

[662] Whatever you doing?

[663] You know?

[664] Well, when they, see, this is the thing.

[665] When they say women are only making 75 cents on the dollar, I just want to politely raise my hand and say, that's not quite accurate.

[666] It's accurate in the sense there is a wage gap, but it can be explained innocently.

[667] Women major in different topics in college.

[668] They work fewer hours per week.

[669] And the men take the more dangerous jobs with impossible hours.

[670] It's simply a difference.

[671] When you do all those adjustments, the wage gap narrows to the point of vanishing.

[672] So they're enraged, they're virtue signaling one another.

[673] Is that true?

[674] That's true?

[675] So I thought, though, in specific occupations that women would make less money than men.

[676] Let's look at the occupations.

[677] For example, you will see doctors.

[678] In male, doctors may considerably more.

[679] But then you look at the subspecialties.

[680] Men tend to go, far more men go into the higher -paying specialties, like Cardi -on.

[681] anesthesiology.

[682] The lower paying fields are pediatrics and family medicine.

[683] Women are more likely to work part -time.

[684] They are more likely to take a few years out of the workplace or cut back, way back.

[685] These are differences that have to be calculated and have to be factored into this calculation.

[686] And the gender activists for years have just put out the statistic.

[687] Women are being cheated out of almost a quarter of their salary by, you know, this system rigged against them, when in fact, if there are innocent explanations, look at what men and women major in in college.

[688] It's amazing after all these years of feminism.

[689] You will not make very much money if you want to go into early childhood education.

[690] You will have a rewarding job if you love that.

[691] And, you know, many people do love it and do very well personally, but you will not make money.

[692] If you want to close the, I, I I lectured at Oberlin College, and they were hissing and booing and carrying up.

[693] They went crazy on you, didn't they?

[694] They went crazy.

[695] Yes, they had a safe room, and I triggered them.

[696] For you.

[697] I know.

[698] In the first two rows, there were young women with duct tape on their mouths.

[699] What?

[700] Duck tape.

[701] Red duct tape.

[702] It was, I didn't know what to say.

[703] They duct taped their mouth?

[704] And they stayed there for the whole lecture.

[705] I mean, how could you even read?

[706] Two rows.

[707] That's kind of hot.

[708] Why did they do that?

[709] I still don't know.

[710] I guess that I could only think of there was.

[711] It was a novel.

[712] I don't know what it was.

[713] I still don't know.

[714] I didn't ask.

[715] I never saw them.

[716] I mean, they were, oh, then people rushed out.

[717] I triggered people, and they went to the safe room.

[718] I triggered about 30 people and a dog.

[719] There was a therapy dog.

[720] And they went to this safer.

[721] I feel bad about the dog.

[722] I do.

[723] But this was at Oberlin College, and they were, and what was interesting is they had their safe room, but the college administration was looking at their Facebook postings and their antics and got worried about my safety.

[724] I had to have armed guards.

[725] I had two armed police women escort me around.

[726] I love it how you police women, though.

[727] Like how they went with police women.

[728] Why did they go with police women?

[729] Well, Oberlin, they had to be.

[730] They had to be perfectly correct.

[731] If you get more correct than Oberlin College, I mean, you will vaporize.

[732] And I don't know what is the next step.

[733] I'm just, I keep thinking, you know, and I speak now as a, I grew up in California.

[734] I was there for, well, it was my sister's generation, a little older that was the free speech movement in Berkeley.

[735] But it was all about liberation.

[736] Leave us alone.

[737] We did not want authority figures or deans or, you know, assistant librarians on committees making rules.

[738] We did not want it.

[739] We were rebelled.

[740] And there was this period when I was in college where we were just free.

[741] We had, I don't think I ever met a dean, you know, except it was something academic, but certainly not in my personal life.

[742] And we drove out the dorm advisors.

[743] There was no dorm advisor.

[744] We were there.

[745] Well, maybe they were there.

[746] We never saw them.

[747] They had no power.

[748] And now they want them there.

[749] And again, it's this going back.

[750] But anyway, I just want to finish about Oberlin.

[751] I told the Oberlin students, they were saying, but women are being cheated out of their salary.

[752] And I explained.

[753] And I said, right now today, you can take a step to closing the wage gap.

[754] No, no, don't major in, you know, feminist dance therapy, major in electrical engineering.

[755] And then someone's - But feminist dance therapy is so necessary for our culture.

[756] Well, they think it's an injustice.

[757] You should be, why can't I be a dance therapist and, you know, why shouldn't I be rewarded for that?

[758] And we, you know, people aren't paid for what their jobs are worth.

[759] Well, that's probably true.

[760] And I said, I mean, I agreed with them that I don't feel I am paid as a philosophy PhD.

[761] We are not.

[762] not well paid compared to other, you know, people with PhDs in computer science or electrical engineering or petroleum engineering.

[763] There's where the money is.

[764] And I said, I'm considered unfair as a philosopher because we should be valued.

[765] But, you know, you realize there is something called the market.

[766] There are forces that determine what people will pay.

[767] That's why socialism so important for them.

[768] In socialism, the feminist dance therapist would get their due.

[769] They'd get paid as much as the electrical engineer.

[770] How much would you get?

[771] How much do you think it's worth for feminist dance therapy?

[772] Does that a real thing?

[773] Did you make something out?

[774] I might have been.

[775] Well, I'm being fanciful, but there are crazy majors, and they waste their time.

[776] And I was one speaking at Bryn Mare.

[777] Well, I was actually at Haverford, and the Brinmar girls came.

[778] Is it still a women's college?

[779] And first of all, they were knitting.

[780] The whole time I was talking, they were knitting.

[781] And I didn't know what that meant if it was a, And they turned to be a number of Wiccans in the audience.

[782] But they weren't on my side.

[783] They weren't against me. They seemed to, yeah, they weren't mad at me. So I didn't want any hex, any spells cast.

[784] I don't think they're really witches.

[785] Wiccans?

[786] Yeah, I don't think they're witches.

[787] I think they are.

[788] I think Wiccan is like, it's almost like a pagan worshiping the earth sort of a thing.

[789] Well, they defend witches.

[790] They do?

[791] Yeah, because I, I, I, I. He tweeted something about the witch hunt on the campus, and a Wiccan was angry about it.

[792] Here's a Wiccan is a member of the pagan revivalist religion known as Wicca.

[793] Can be a male or female practitioner or lay follower, either solitary or members of a coven.

[794] No word witch, no warlocks.

[795] I'm sure there's more.

[796] Followers of neo -pagan religion.

[797] Wiccans are a polytheistic nature working.

[798] worshipers.

[799] They worship a moon goddess and a horn god.

[800] They observe eight Sabbaths, blah, blah, blah.

[801] They are based off seasonal changes in harvest, which are also represent changes in their god and goddess.

[802] Wiccans are not evil and generally do not do bad magic.

[803] So I guess it's saying that they're implying they do do magic.

[804] They follow rule of three.

[805] The belief that whatever you do comes back to you three times is bad or good depending on what it was you did.

[806] In some respects, whatever.

[807] Well, they sound fine.

[808] These young women were fine, I guess.

[809] But one of them, not one of them, but a young woman in the audience said, are you telling me, I am a gender studies major at Bryn -Mar.

[810] Are you telling me I've wasted four years?

[811] And I didn't know what to say, but then I just said, yes.

[812] Oh.

[813] And it was like, and the audience sort of laughed, but I'm just telling anyone who's even thinking of wasting four years studying gender theory, which has no basis in reality or in serious scholarship.

[814] I'm sure there's some exceptions, but those exceptions don't come close to the rule, which is that it's a waste of time.

[815] I would have told the young lady that anything that you do, where you're thinking, is not a waste of time.

[816] But if you're trying to make a lot of money, gender studies is not necessarily where it's at, right?

[817] Well, this is the thing.

[818] If you ask men and women, what do you want?

[819] And we have great data on this from vocational counselors.

[820] You remember in junior high, there were vocation counselors that would tell you what you should be based on your abilities and interests.

[821] We've been giving these tests for years, and men and women answered somewhat differently.

[822] And women care more about fulfillment.

[823] They care more about jobs where they can be, women are very attracted to jobs that involve caring and nurturing, and men considerably less.

[824] So you do find far more men in sort of people -free zones or jobs where they ask people, would you rather spend, you know, a week taking apart a machine and putting it back together, or would you rather spend a week sitting with a group of people talking about their problems?

[825] And far more men say they'd want to be with the machine, and far more women say talk about the problem.

[826] So you have to factor those in.

[827] Now, it just turns out that overall, if you are working with, say, computers and you're an engineer, you're at that high level with the education, you get paid well.

[828] People need those skills.

[829] If you have the skills of a nurturer, you do need the education in the background, but there are a lot of people that want to do them, and there aren't, there just isn't, where is the money?

[830] Who's going to pay you that kind of money?

[831] So they do not earn as much, and they resent that.

[832] But as you say, you would tell the young woman, I would tell them, you know, you're not going to make as much.

[833] But she probably would say, but, But it interests me. I mean, someone could have told me don't major in philosophy, major in metallurgy or petroleum engineering.

[834] I wouldn't even want to see the textbook for that.

[835] I loved my philosophy books.

[836] And if they told me you weren't as much, it didn't.

[837] If it does matter to you, then change your major if you're going into one of these fields.

[838] Well, I think what you're saying, it highlights a real problem that human beings have in choosing an occupation and choosing what path they want to go to in their life.

[839] And I think oftentimes people, they go the way they think is going to earn them the most money, instead of going the way that's going to make them fulfilled and happy.

[840] And you're going to, there's a lot of things that I could do that I should maybe have done when I was younger if I wanted to make money, just make money.

[841] And there's a lot of people my age that are way more successful than me and make way more money than me. I don't know if they're happier than me, though.

[842] And I think what I figured out how to do somewhere along the line through trial and error is do things I actually enjoy.

[843] And somehow I know that that's lost in a lot of people.

[844] And people say, oh, well, you go lucky and you can do that and this and that.

[845] It's not available to everybody.

[846] I don't know that that's true.

[847] I don't know that that's true.

[848] And I don't know that this is the only thing that what I wound up doing is the only thing that I actually love.

[849] I love a lot of things.

[850] I love writing.

[851] I love.

[852] There's a lot of things that I love, that I probably could have been equally happy pursuing.

[853] I don't necessarily think that when you look at life, you should look at it in terms of what is the best way to make the most amount of money.

[854] So When we're talking about things like the wage gap, what about the happiness gap?

[855] Because men are much more likely to commit suicide.

[856] That's one thing.

[857] Men, I think a lot of men suffer from depression, as I'm sure a lot of women do as well.

[858] But I don't necessarily think we should look at it in terms of what's going to earn you the most money.

[859] And is that what you're preparing for in school?

[860] But every time someone uses that wage gap statistic, that's how they're judging society.

[861] and they're saying women are cheated.

[862] No, what you want to know is what they should ask is how much do you like your job, how fulfilled you are, and then look at the sex difference and see what it turns out.

[863] Maybe there is a happiness gap.

[864] There certainly is a fatality gap, which is that men are vastly more likely to die on the job because men occupy the gritty, dangerous jobs, you know, working as loggers and roofers and, you know, outside and, you know, on, you know, fishing.

[865] fisheries and things.

[866] The dirty, gritty jobs are done by men.

[867] It's like there's an invisible army of men doing all of this work.

[868] There's a big construction site near where I live in Washington, D .C., and they're building a big complex.

[869] I have seen dozens of men out there, not a single woman, every day for a year.

[870] It could be cold.

[871] It could be really hot.

[872] They get there early.

[873] They stay.

[874] It's just hard backbreaking work.

[875] You never hear.

[876] about the, you know, the unpleasantness gap or the danger gap.

[877] And all that has to be factored in.

[878] When it is, what you find is that in the United States, for the most part, people are able to doing what they want.

[879] Well, are there jobs, though, that are closed off to women that are very difficult for women to enter into?

[880] I'm sure that there are...

[881] The old boy network, the glass ceiling, those are the terms.

[882] There are.

[883] But here's the thing about that.

[884] People say, well, there aren't a...

[885] many female physicists.

[886] If you look in the sciences, women are flourishing in fields like biology, that we've all but taken over veterinary medicine.

[887] These used to be male -dominated.

[888] But women, once the gates were open and we could sort of do what we wanted, there weren't these arbitrary barriers, women just moved in into areas that had been once just more or less restricted to males.

[889] They did not do that with engineering.

[890] They didn't do it with computer science.

[891] And what I need to know is, well, the computer scientists and the engineers, are they really sexist in the way that, like, lawyers?

[892] Men used to be all the lawyers.

[893] Lawyers aren't known to be particularly sensitive.

[894] Were they so much more receptive to women?

[895] Because women are approaching parity with men now in law school, for sure.

[896] And so you have to look at where men and women are in our society.

[897] And as a free society and an educated society, I credit it to personal aspiration.

[898] And I think in the road to happiness, men and women take somewhat different paths.

[899] College seems like such a mad dash, too.

[900] A mad dash to figure out your path is four years and then graduate school.

[901] But the four years of trying to figure it out, like figure out what your occupation is going to be, where you're going to go, and what you're going to do.

[902] And then you look at all these supposed barriers and boundaries that are in front of you that are going to prevent you from doing what you want to do or getting the way of you being justly rewarded for what you're going to do.

[903] That's why I get mad at some of my feminist colleagues for constantly telling young women, oh, tech is rigged against you.

[904] No, it's not.

[905] The guys in tech, for the most part, there are exceptions, but for the most part, are welcoming.

[906] And many of them have, you don't want to have more women because it looks bad not to have them.

[907] So they're doing what they can.

[908] But we're telling young women, oh, you're not welcome in tech.

[909] Well, there was a time women weren't welcome in law or medicine or philosophy.

[910] And things changed.

[911] And I suspect by now that the reason you don't find a high percentage of women in tech is because women just aren't as interested in tech as they are in other things.

[912] Well, and be careful what you wish for her because I have a friend who's an executive at Google and she makes a shit ton of money, but she works ungodly hours.

[913] I mean, it is essentially her life.

[914] She is glued to her phone when she's not at work.

[915] When she's at work, she's there all day long, 14, 15 plus hours a day.

[916] It's brutal.

[917] It's backbreaking.

[918] It becomes, it's not a career.

[919] It's your life.

[920] If you're giving a, you're, what you have afterwards, I don't care if you make $5 million a year or whatever the fuck you make, your life is non -existent.

[921] I mean, what are you going to do?

[922] You're going to fill it up.

[923] You're going to buy a new Tesla.

[924] You're going to feel great staring at your TV for the two hours that you're awake before you pass out and you have to go to work again.

[925] You're never home.

[926] I'm sure that for those who do it and get, you know, they're probably having a great ride.

[927] Here's what we do know, and this has been shown over and over again by researchers, including research at the Pew Research Center.

[928] Men and women, if you ask, as the Pew has done, you ask mothers, like, what is your ideal life, mothers of young children?

[929] A large majority of, well, actually, I'll first start with women, because this was a researcher at the London School of Economics.

[930] She studied women in Western Europe.

[931] What do women want?

[932] She found out about 20 % want to be full -time careers, like your friend at Google.

[933] They are out there.

[934] They want the money.

[935] They want the power.

[936] They want it all.

[937] 20%.

[938] About 20 % want to be stay -at -home mothers.

[939] They want to have a bunch of kids stay home, be a house.

[940] And they will not work unless they're four.

[941] 60 % are, she calls, adaptives.

[942] They're sort of in the middle.

[943] They want to work part -time when they have little kids.

[944] They want to go in and out.

[945] So I think that right now we have a women's movement that works very hard for that 20%, for their life preferences.

[946] And the majority of women are left out.

[947] A majority of women don't want that.

[948] What your friend has, that's good, but a lot of women will not want that.

[949] And there is just about as many women that would want quite the opposite.

[950] So what I want is a feminism that accommodates preference and what do people want?

[951] Right.

[952] If I found out that all these women wanted to work full -time and the men wanted to stay home with the kids, fine.

[953] But what you find is that works for a few people, but it's not something most people seem to want.

[954] And it's regardless of gender, really.

[955] I mean, don't we want that across the board?

[956] I mean, there's a wide variety of human beings on this planet.

[957] Yes, for men, too.

[958] Yeah.

[959] I call myself a feminist, but I do, it used to me. that you believed in equality of the sexes.

[960] Right.

[961] And so I try to hang on to that.

[962] It's classical meaning.

[963] But now it's come to mean, as I said, female chauvinism.

[964] You only care about women.

[965] And I'm not that, I do not want that kind of feminist.

[966] One of the things that I've found that's hilarious, it keeps getting repeated over and over again, and feminist blogs and websites is they won't address men's issues until all women's issues are, they believe that feminism addresses everything.

[967] There's no need for men's rights advocates.

[968] because feminism addresses everything, and once women are equal and treated equally and supported equally, and you won't have any problems with men.

[969] Oh, I don't understand the rational basis for that.

[970] We can't do some good in many, many places at once, of course you can.

[971] Well, you can't even acknowledge that there's issues, because until the women's issues, which are overwhelming, until they're addressed.

[972] If every person out there that thinks that way, that is a sign that you are a fanatic.

[973] They will certainly are, but it's also a bit of trolling because it's, you're, you're trolling for support from the people that read it and go, yeah, and you're also trolling for an overreaction from the men, which will go see, these men are assholes and they hate women.

[974] You know, I read this one woman's blog, and she was, she was, she saved up all of her mean tweets that she got from all these anonymous retards out there, and she said, what are these men have in common?

[975] These are all men who hate women.

[976] No, these are all men who tweeted you and you responded to them.

[977] Like, they're trolling you.

[978] They're saying mean shit.

[979] You're a public figure.

[980] You write a public blog.

[981] You put your public Twitter out there.

[982] So every day, you're going to, if you have a net, okay, and you throw that net in the ocean, every day you're going to catch a certain amount of different species.

[983] Okay?

[984] You're going to catch tuna.

[985] You catch a marlin or two.

[986] And you're going to catch a few retards.

[987] You're going to catch some really dumb people.

[988] And those really dumb people are going to tweet.

[989] you and you're going to copy those down every day and accumulate them.

[990] Well, how many really smart people read what you had to say, disagreed, agreed, whatever, and it didn't tweet you.

[991] You know, like, what you're getting is a bias sampling.

[992] Yeah.

[993] And by saving that bias sampling and putting up there, it's not proof that you're being somehow or not that you're being oppressed.

[994] It's proof that you're crazy and you're paying attention to these dummies.

[995] You're tapping into a well of human beings.

[996] If you have something that reaches a million people, if you have a blog or a YouTube video and you read the comments on them, you're reaching a phenomenal amount of human beings.

[997] And you're always going to have a certain percentage of human beings who are unbalanced or they're fucked up in the head in some way or they're really dumb.

[998] And those people, they're going to be more likely to comment you.

[999] So if you have a million people that read 1 % is a lot of people.

[1000] That's a lot.

[1001] Yeah.

[1002] You know, if you have a hundred, one person out of a hundred is going to be dumb.

[1003] You have a thousand, you get to a hundred thousand, you get to a million.

[1004] That's a giant number of people that you're probably catching in your net that are really stupid.

[1005] And that's a part of this life we live.

[1006] It's a part of this new era of social media, this new era of this open access to everyone and everything.

[1007] And I think it's beautiful in a lot of ways.

[1008] I think it's exposing all the holes and flaws and our culture.

[1009] It's exposing how there's marginalized and unrepresented people that are just sort of, they feel disenfranchised.

[1010] They feel left out.

[1011] And they feel like the only way they can get attention is to scream or yell or to say misogynous things or hateful things.

[1012] They're just trying to get attention.

[1013] At the end of the day, that's a lot of what they're trying to do.

[1014] Well, but I'll also say the things that I write about because I do think I am just speaking common sense about gender that I have a lot of followers on Twitter and people that I encounter who are.

[1015] from the factual feminist, who were just happy they were able to find someone.

[1016] And it's sort of absurd that you can't find a professor.

[1017] I mean, I left the university to go to a think tank.

[1018] I could still be there teaching, but it was lonely.

[1019] I didn't really have that many colleagues who would agree with me, and I had some that were very annoyed with me. So it wasn't a comfortable place.

[1020] So for a dissident feminist or just, I think, as I said, the voice of moderation, they will not hear that if they're on campus.

[1021] now you don't hear it in the media.

[1022] So social media is a place where you can tell the truth and people can be exposed to ideas that have been edited out of the curriculum.

[1023] Well, you're an author and you've written books and you've written papers and people have read those, but they're not going to have near the immediacy.

[1024] That's something like a YouTube video has.

[1025] So what's fantastic about what you're doing.

[1026] They've never had anything like these videos.

[1027] They've had over 4 million views.

[1028] I think if you add them all up and some more than others.

[1029] But we have a good one coming out.

[1030] tonight on the myth of male power.

[1031] I think you might like it.

[1032] So men are in power?

[1033] Well, this whole thing, men are supposed to, well, it's not the myth of male power.

[1034] It's about male privilege.

[1035] They tell men, check your privilege.

[1036] And so I look at men's, how privileged are men in our society?

[1037] Now, in some ways they are.

[1038] Just to be a man does afford you certain benefits.

[1039] But so does being a woman.

[1040] Like, big time, we're better educated.

[1041] We live longer.

[1042] Women are better educated?

[1043] How so?

[1044] Oh, majority of degrees go to women.

[1045] Women now earn 57 % of bachelors, approaching 60 % of masters and 52 % of PhDs.

[1046] Wow.

[1047] It used to be the reverse, that you had more men getting the degrees, and women were the have -nots.

[1048] When was the shift?

[1049] Well, it started to shift actually in the 80s, but in the 90s, it was an upward trajectory for women.

[1050] And here's where it really counts among working -class kids.

[1051] The girls are better educated than the boys.

[1052] If you look at different ethnic groups, African Americans, Latinos, working class, white kids, their sister, the girls are doing better.

[1053] The boys are in big trouble educationally.

[1054] And it's creeping into the middle class.

[1055] The girls are way ahead.

[1056] They're winning the prizes.

[1057] There's a gap in education, and boys are on the wrong side.

[1058] Do you attribute that to the women's rights movement and the gains that were made in awareness, like during the 70s and the 80s?

[1059] I attribute it to a number of things.

[1060] First of all, girls have always liked school better, and teachers have liked girls, girls are better behaved on average.

[1061] So it was always a trick to interest a boy, keep his attention.

[1062] But teachers used to make a big effort.

[1063] They don't anymore.

[1064] If they go to a school of education, they may be reading these fashionable texts about how women are the silenced underprivileged.

[1065] And so they think that they have to, you know, focus on the girls and the boys, the typical behavior of little boys has been redefined as pathology.

[1066] Right.

[1067] Yeah.

[1068] So you'll find little boys being, you know, suspended for playing cops and robbers or wanting to play a raucous game in the playground, dodgeball or tag.

[1069] Now, girls like to play too outdoors and have recess, but typically they will do a little bit of that.

[1070] They will also do that a lot of theatrical imaginative games, playing house, playing school or sharing confidences with your best friend, you know, girls do that.

[1071] Boys hardly ever do that.

[1072] They want to go out there in this rough -housing, or it's called rough -and -tumble play.

[1073] Schools are making rules against it.

[1074] They don't understand that it's very different from aggression.

[1075] When boys are being mean and violent, let's say, there are tears, there's anger, there's, you know, it's not a happy sight.

[1076] When boys are rough and tumbling, there's joy, they're forging bonds, they're learning limits.

[1077] It's a critical part of their socialization.

[1078] And we are a society that has lost touch with that.

[1079] And we are defining it as pathology.

[1080] And it happens as early as preschool.

[1081] And parents should know that when your little boy gets to, you know, the kindergarten class, it is geared towards the girls.

[1082] What do you think is the cause of this lack of understanding between the difference between the way boys play and girls play?

[1083] Because I have all daughters, but I have a...

[1084] buddy that has all sons and when I'm around his house and I see his kids it's fucking house is chaos.

[1085] Everything's broken.

[1086] Broken.

[1087] Yeah and and he's not an aggressive guy at all.

[1088] He's a he's a professor actually at Stanford and he's like super mellow and like he's he doesn't he barely exercises.

[1089] He rides his bike.

[1090] He's not aggressive.

[1091] He doesn't watch any sports and his kids are fucking maniacs.

[1092] They run around.

[1093] They throw jumping sidekicks against the couch and they're just fucking crazy.

[1094] And that's how they, my little girls come over his house and they're like, Jesus Christ, like, what is going on with these apes?

[1095] Well, I have two sons, and for years, anybody would come.

[1096] The main thing I wanted to do is get a football and go outside and throw it around.

[1097] I just don't recall wanting to do that at someone's house.

[1098] I mean, we might do that, but we'd probably go into her room and, you know, be talking and listening to music or something.

[1099] And the other thing I learned, too, about boys with video games, my parents were very disapproving.

[1100] Teachers don't like them, but I always remember I'd go and see my son downstairs at play.

[1101] playing these games, and I was writing my book, The War Against Boys, and people were worried about the games.

[1102] And I looked at the boys, and I didn't see, and some of the games were wild and violent, and I didn't like what I saw, but they were cheering each other on.

[1103] They were teasing each other the way boys do.

[1104] I mean, men show their love by insults and razzing each, you know, it was camaraderie.

[1105] It was, it was just bonding.

[1106] It was a happy, you know, group.

[1107] engagement and it would have been terrible to say you stop playing these games and this is bad it wasn't bad behavior but people don't understand it they hear boys putting each other down and you have to listen because when men put each other down including men and it's often the way they show friendship you're telling me i'm a comedian that's all we ever do if i ever based my own self -esteem on how my friends have talked to me right i'd be fucked no my two sons all they do they get together it's immediately, but it does make men funny because they learn it starting in, you know, first grade because this is the way boys are with each other.

[1108] But we have psychologists to say, oh, no, it's a culture of cruelty.

[1109] Right.

[1110] And they think it's bullying.

[1111] You've got to know the difference between affectionate, you know, kind of joshing and teasing and violent bullying.

[1112] It's something.

[1113] And we, again, we're not making good distinction.

[1114] Yeah.

[1115] And I think there's also, there's something to be gained from that type of insulting behavior with boys and even teasing each other back and forth as long as it's good natured because even though it does kind of sting when someone mocks you and makes fun of you, it also motivates you to do better at whatever they were mocking you at.

[1116] Yeah, and it strengthened you.

[1117] And men are a little more stoical.

[1118] And I read this great study by these psychologists.

[1119] We always hear, well, men have to talk more about their feelings.

[1120] Men have to be, and they interviewed hundreds of kids, adolescents, and they asked the boys and the girls, how does it feel to talk about your problems?

[1121] And for most of the girls, it made them feel better, just talking about the problems.

[1122] The boys said, didn't make them feel better, and they said, and it was weird.

[1123] And I thought, oh, the psychologists are going to say the boys have to learn to do it, but they didn't.

[1124] What they said was, hmm, maybe it's adaptive for young men, you know, because they don't ruminate so much, and there is a lot of depression in adolescents and girls, they may be too interiorized, they're ruminating, they're going over and over, and these psychologists said that they thought it was probably, maybe the girls should see what, look what the boys are doing, that, you know, it's not necessarily the boys have to be like the girls.

[1125] And then they said something very interesting.

[1126] If a boy does have a problem, he's got to talk about it, don't say, oh, well, let's sit down and talk, sweet, you know, tell me your feelings.

[1127] is going to, you know, bolt.

[1128] You have to say, you have to engage his problem solver, you know, and you have to say, we've got to do this, we've got to conquer it, and turn it into a challenge.

[1129] And then when I read that, I thought, my God, there's probably a whole field of male psychology that's been ignored.

[1130] It's almost as if modern psychology and clinical counseling has been based on women and their needs and what works for them.

[1131] But what about what works for guys?

[1132] Fortunately, the Australians are actually working on this.

[1133] Australians?

[1134] Yeah, they're working on male psychology.

[1135] and, you know, counseling.

[1136] Well, school is a very strange place for everybody, right?

[1137] I mean, you're forced to sit in a class and listen to a course and the teacher's teaching you, the facts and statistics, and it might not be anything you're even remotely interested in.

[1138] And when you're seven years old or eight years old, you're a little kid, and you want to play.

[1139] You're filled with energy.

[1140] You want to bounce off the wall.

[1141] It's strange to have to sit in some class and listen to someone talk to you about arithmetic or listen to you talk about, listen to someone talk to you about grammar or reading, it's hard.

[1142] It's hard for kids to sit and pay attention.

[1143] And it's hard, I think, when if you are a boy and you have all this extra energy and you're told there's something wrong with you because of it.

[1144] Like, I have my old next -door neighbor.

[1145] They moved out, but they had their kid on Ritalin, and I was around this kid all the time.

[1146] He wasn't fucked up.

[1147] He just had a lot of energy and he was kind of being ignored.

[1148] by both parents worked all the time, and, you know, he was bouncing off the walls.

[1149] And he was just not paying attention in school and acting out and wasn't very disciplined like a lot of young boys are.

[1150] So they just medicated this kid.

[1151] Oh, this breaks my heart.

[1152] And it's so sad because a good teacher who was in tomb with boys will find a way to capture his imagination.

[1153] But right now, for example, most of the reading assignments are fiction.

[1154] and is one, this wonderful guy who goes around teaching how to engage boys, he said, it's almost as if teachers only like kind of the confessional poet.

[1155] You ask a 12 -year -old boy to be a confessional poet?

[1156] Oh, he's not going to do it.

[1157] And he'll act out and he'll, you know, won't do the assignment.

[1158] But let him write what he wants.

[1159] And there was a, what happens, though, is little boys, five or six years old, they'll be asked to write something, and they want to write about something like, you know, a monster destroying a city or about their skateboard or their video games, and the teachers don't like it.

[1160] They get mad.

[1161] They get mad.

[1162] And fortunately, there are some that are beginning to notice, because now people are getting worried about what's happening to boys' education, because it has all sorts of ramifications for the economy.

[1163] And you have to worry about having a large cohort of boys disengaged from education because they're not going to have a future in an information economy.

[1164] We've got to solve the problem.

[1165] So there are teachers thinking about it, but one thing they notice is you take a little boy, and girls that are playing, and play is the basis for learning.

[1166] I mean, that's how we learn as animals.

[1167] We learn from play.

[1168] But boys are disapproved up.

[1169] So they want to play superhero, which every but most four or five -year -old boys, that's what they want, and vanquish the bad guys.

[1170] And there's a lot of, you know, sound effects and what seems to be violence.

[1171] It's actually something very different going on in his imagination.

[1172] But we are policing the imagination of little boys.

[1173] and calling them pathological.

[1174] And I just never forgot the story.

[1175] I read about a little boy named Justin in California, and he was well -behaved.

[1176] He loved sword fights and pirates.

[1177] The teacher called his parents.

[1178] She was very worried about Justin.

[1179] He'd written a story and illustrated it with a scene with pirates having a sword fight.

[1180] And there was chopped heads and all sorts of things wild.

[1181] And the parents came in and said, yeah, what did he do?

[1182] They were shocked because he was never in trouble.

[1183] she said, well, look at this drawing, as if Justin was a proto -sociopath, and his father said, yeah, well, he likes pirates, you know, this makes me read him stories.

[1184] The teacher was very worried about his values.

[1185] Well, the father said, I'm very worried about my son's fate in a classroom with a teacher that has no sympathy for his imagination.

[1186] What that father said about Justin, that pretty much describes the predicament of a majority of boys in our schools right now.

[1187] don't have sympathy.

[1188] They haven't been taught.

[1189] Now, most teachers are just, they'll adjust and they like boys.

[1190] They'll do their best.

[1191] But that is despite what they learned in a school of education.

[1192] Does this coincide with larger classrooms?

[1193] Because if you have 40 kids in a class and one of them is a rambunctious boy, you want to silence that kid because he's disrupting your educating the other 39 kids.

[1194] Some of, it's everywhere.

[1195] It's in schools.

[1196] The majority of teachers, it's a feminine profession, and the classrooms have been feminized.

[1197] The readings, the, I mean, there are books that are irresistible to a typical little boy, but we don't assign them.

[1198] The British got so worried about the reading gap, because girls are way ahead in reading.

[1199] They now have a list of books that teachers are aware of, books that a little boy can't resist.

[1200] We don't have that.

[1201] We would immediately have dozens of feminist groups.

[1202] There would be hearings on Capitol Hill.

[1203] What are the books?

[1204] What are the subjects?

[1205] Well, this is just a few that I remember.

[1206] One is that boys like books, a lot of little boys like nonfiction.

[1207] And if you give him the Guinness Book of Records, he could be lost for days.

[1208] They like things like that.

[1209] Lists of, you know, arcane information.

[1210] Give him a choice.

[1211] And, yeah, sometimes stories about a monster devouring a city.

[1212] There are lots of books.

[1213] There's actually a website called Guys Can Read.

[1214] And they have books, the best of books for a little boy.

[1215] With girls, you really don't, you know, there's so many books written for them, they're going to find them, their teachers are going to assign them.

[1216] You can't assume that with your son.

[1217] I sympathize for teachers, though, in a lot of ways because if they are, especially a lot of teachers don't have children, and if they don't have children of their own, and they're teaching a group of boys, and there's 40 kids there, and one of them is a really rambunctious boy who's a little maniac and he's running around being crazy.

[1218] I could see how you would want this little kid to calm down and be silenced.

[1219] I totally agree with you, but what if it turns out that there were just ways to do this?

[1220] What if you had a lot of assignments where the kids have to stand up?

[1221] What if instead of in desks, they have to be sitting up?

[1222] Boys, if you use humor, boys will love you.

[1223] Boys like jokes.

[1224] Teachers have to try to be funny.

[1225] Even if they're not that funny.

[1226] I read about this one male teacher, he'd give back papers and you make him into paper airplanes.

[1227] I mean, there are just things that are amusing to kids.

[1228] My favorite example was a school in West Virginia.

[1229] The boys in that school were not reading.

[1230] West Virginia is some of the lowest scores, and this school was bad.

[1231] It's wonderful.

[1232] It was a female teacher.

[1233] She started an all -boys class, and she had something called Battle of Books.

[1234] They had to read these books and then have some kind of a, I think it was like a Jeopardy Battle or some kind of game.

[1235] The boys loved it.

[1236] and they wanted extra books to read over summer and she said it was the first time in the history of West Virginia the boys asked for extra reading over the summer and they came back and the like the sixth grade boy class did better than the eighth grade co -ed class so this was working the ACLU went in there because there were gender activists in the ACLU that said separating by gender is a kind of apartheid gender apartheid and they sued They call it apartheid?

[1237] They call it gender apartheid or gender.

[1238] They compare it to discriminate.

[1239] It's crazy.

[1240] And they stop this class.

[1241] There is no boys' class with Battle of the Books.

[1242] Oh, God.

[1243] So that's where we are.

[1244] There was a young boy that was recently suspended.

[1245] It was a big national story because he had a fake bow and arrow.

[1246] He was using an imaginary bow and arrow and shooting at boys in his class.

[1247] And so they suspended him.

[1248] I think he was very young.

[1249] He's very young.

[1250] Younger than 10.

[1251] But even I've seen.

[1252] I've heard stories about six -year -olds.

[1253] That's how they're playing.

[1254] And then when they play, they want to write stories.

[1255] So that's where you get kids like Justin.

[1256] He'll want to write about it.

[1257] If we have a bunch of little boys, the moment they set pen to paper, there's disapproval.

[1258] That's probably the worst thing that we could be doing.

[1259] And that's what's happening.

[1260] When I was in high school, I wanted to be a comic book illustrator, even before high school.

[1261] And if any psychologist got a hold of any of my illustrations, it was all like axe murderers, werewolves dragons it was all crazy like but that's what i enjoyed i enjoyed reading those kind of comic books and i i enjoyed drawing those things like and uh i didn't turn out to be a serial killer they don't but the vast majority don't and it's but we're treating them that way that's the argument about gamers right i mean isn't that the argument about gamers that was a big part of the whole gamer gate um the the the response that gamers had i was like no look just because we'd like engaging in this fantasy and just because we like we enjoy playing grand theft auto doesn't mean we're going to go out and shoot people this is stupid it's it's fun to fake shoot people it's fun to play call of duty and have your friends on the other side you're shooting your friends you don't want to shoot your friends but guess what when you shoot your friends in the game nothing fucking happens to them okay it's very different family doesn't cry you know there's no you know their children don't grow up without a father no they regenerate and they're back in the next round.

[1262] I mean, this idea that when you play a game or when you engage in any sort of a fantasy activity, that that automatically equates to how you're going to behave in society and that we have to stop that and we have to limit that.

[1263] Instead of just addressing, like, what is it about these fantasies that is exciting for people, is there some sort of inherent need that men have for adventure for a certain amount of, like, terrorist violence, you know, even if it's just cathartic, some sort of a fake release.

[1264] Absolutely.

[1265] And there's not, there is no good evidence that playing a violent video game makes you violent.

[1266] God knows, people have tried to prove it, and they have failed.

[1267] And they even tried to prove to the Supreme Court a few years ago.

[1268] And Justice Scalia just said, he wrote a beautiful, you know, opinion about how they just did not make their case.

[1269] And it's, it's, no one has been able to do it.

[1270] Now they've come along and say, oh, well, these games cause sexism?

[1271] Well, the first thing to know is since kids started playing video games, great numbers in the 90s, video game nation, crime has actually gone down.

[1272] I'm not saying there's a correlation, but there's certainly no correlation between playing games and violence, or you would expect that it would have gone up.

[1273] Well, games are addictive.

[1274] They spend all their time playing those games, and they don't have time for violence.

[1275] That's what's going on.

[1276] Possibly.

[1277] And it's the millennial generation.

[1278] They're the least sexist and homophobic and all that than other generations.

[1279] Is that true?

[1280] So these games, yeah, they have more, oh, yeah, sure.

[1281] So the newest kids coming up are the most open -minded, most progressive.

[1282] That's beautiful.

[1283] You question their attitudes compared to kids from the 80s or whatever.

[1284] Yeah, or certainly baby boomers.

[1285] You'd find they're more open -minded.

[1286] Isn't that amazing?

[1287] Well, that speaks to my optimism, because my optimism is that what we're getting out of the internet or we're getting out of this open forum, this ability to communicate with each other, is even though there's like the sort of ganging, up mentality on someone when they say something wrong, the attacking, but ultimately I think people are communicating in a freer way, and we're getting to understand what is offensive about racism, what is offensive about homophobia or sexism, or any of these things that were sort of cultural norms or they had a place in your particular neighborhood or community, and now your community is sort of the world.

[1288] and in doing so in expanding our community like that and creating this one world community I think we're learning the differences that we have between each other are more imagined than they are real yeah and so I think that anyway about with the games they had just made all these false assumptions and I think people try it they do for you we hear oh all the people are being destroyed by the internet or people are being Some people are.

[1289] Some are.

[1290] Actually, anything you do, there are going to be some that are destroyed.

[1291] Sure.

[1292] They mean playing cards.

[1293] There's some people that are...

[1294] People have addictive personalities.

[1295] I once met a psychiatrist who told me he was studying people and their addictions.

[1296] He said almost anything people do, about five percent, you know, if it's gambling or if it's bicycling or dog racing, or about five percent will become compulsive.

[1297] Well, you know, I work with a lot of fighters and martial artists because I'm a commentator for the UFC.

[1298] And in working with these people, you find correlations between people that are, they become very excellent at fighting or something like extremely, extremely dangerous.

[1299] And they become more subject or more suspect.

[1300] It's, they have more potential for addiction, I think, in a lot of ways outside of that.

[1301] Like, it's famous amongst fighters like Joe Lewis went on to become a cocaine addict and he had a lot of issues before he died.

[1302] Sunny Liston got involved in heroin.

[1303] heroin.

[1304] Addictive behavior is extremely common with fighters.

[1305] Alcoholism is extremely common.

[1306] Same with ballet dancers.

[1307] Really?

[1308] Well, certainly for a while.

[1309] There's high levels of anorexia, kind of obsession about food, but also of cocaine use.

[1310] So maybe that combination of obsessive perfectionism.

[1311] Yes.

[1312] Well, I think the obsessive focusing on something, even focusing on a negative thing, like gambling.

[1313] It becomes a part of how they transition out of this world.

[1314] Because the world of mixed martial arts are fighting in general is very intense, but very, there's a short amount of time where you can do it and compete at a high level.

[1315] It's a percentage of your life.

[1316] And if you get really lucky, you can get 10 hard years in.

[1317] You know, if you're an outlier, you can stretch that out.

[1318] But a lot of people that compete, like in the UFC, they're gone within a couple years.

[1319] And you find that in a lot of sports, the NFL as well, like a couple years for most of them, and their bodies just can't hang on anymore, and they're gone.

[1320] And they had this one thing that occupied all their thoughts all the time.

[1321] Now it's gone, and they have to figure out a way to sort of transfer that energy in a positive manner.

[1322] Yeah.

[1323] And what makes you really good at things can also be a trap.

[1324] I had a problem when I was young with video games, and it's not the video games are bad, but I have a very addictive personality and I used to play video games 8 to 10 hours a day I used to play online I just play a game called Quake it's a quake game online and I recognize I go okay there's this is I just can't do this like my brain and this it's a fun game I love it but my brain is just not good for this because my brain had developed doing martial arts and competing and I went from that to stand up comedy and then this other thing this video game thing got implanted in my brain and I recognize like Okay, this is not going to be productive for me. It's enjoyable, but I'm too crazy for this, so I've got to put it aside.

[1325] But for a lot of people that get involved in, like, these singular pursuits, where they become so dedicated and so focused on one thing, it's extremely hard when that thing is taken away from them.

[1326] And sometimes they fall into negative things.

[1327] But that doesn't mean that the video games are negative.

[1328] That doesn't mean that video games are causing them to lose their life.

[1329] What they need is some sort of mental management.

[1330] And we need to recognize that there are certain people, especially people that excel at certain things, or people that become obsessed with perfection or obsessed with success, that those things, you can get diverted down these paths, whether it's gambling or there's a lot of different.

[1331] I like that phrase mental management.

[1332] That's right.

[1333] That's what they, that should be more available.

[1334] Yeah.

[1335] So it's not video games.

[1336] And it's not video games.

[1337] Video games don't turn you in a sexist.

[1338] Video games don't turn you violent.

[1339] It's nonsense.

[1340] I mean, if this is arguably, we have the most access to violent information, whether it's, you know, in a media form online, you know, more access to it than any human beings that have ever lived before.

[1341] We have more access to instantaneous violence, seeing things online, seeing things, be able to play video of violent games, but it's arguably the safest time to live ever.

[1342] And some of the most violent games I hear are in Japan, and they're not very violent.

[1343] They play the most violent games?

[1344] I think they have some of the most violent video games.

[1345] and they have a lot of, a very permissive internet presentation of pornography and wild things and violence.

[1346] They're in a tentacles and stuff, right?

[1347] I don't know.

[1348] Anime.

[1349] No, no, no. I don't know what's going on.

[1350] Strange.

[1351] I'll check it out sometime.

[1352] Yeah, it's a weird culture, Japan.

[1353] They also have weird things that you could do.

[1354] Like you can buy women's panties that women have worn.

[1355] You can buy them from vending machines in certain places.

[1356] On vending machines?

[1357] Yeah.

[1358] buying them at all is strange on vending machines is deranged.

[1359] It is, but is it I mean, I don't know, I mean, what is so horrible about that?

[1360] It seems like, you know, if you wanted to buy like severed feet, yeah, that'd be kind of fucked up.

[1361] But like, if a girl wants to wear a, I have a girl who's coming on soon, she's a professional humiliator.

[1362] She is hired by these like CEOs and these people that have tremendous power and they want to be dominated.

[1363] They want to be taken.

[1364] And she has all these things that she does with them.

[1365] Like she makes them give her their bank account information so she can steal money from them.

[1366] Be careful.

[1367] Well, I'm not saying anything horrible.

[1368] I'll shield you from any unpleasant thoughts.

[1369] But some people like have these bizarre needs for like things that you or I would have no desire for.

[1370] But at the end of the day, it's an agreement that these two have.

[1371] She does it professionally.

[1372] There's no confusion here.

[1373] It's like this is all, I don't see what's bad about it.

[1374] I'm trying to explore it.

[1375] Have you heard about furries?

[1376] Yes.

[1377] I don't know about it much, but a nice furry told me on the Internet that not to worry that most of them don't.

[1378] And I don't know that every time I bring it up, people won't really tell me what it is.

[1379] And I don't fully want to know, but from what I've learned, there are many different kinds.

[1380] Some people go deep with it And some people, it's just fun It's just fun Yeah I was accidentally at a furry convention There was a time where I was in Pittsburgh And it coincided with a furry convention And while we were driving down the street We're looking at the window We're going what the fuck is going on here So everyone wearing mascot costumes Like they're all like big squirrels and rabbits and stuff And I'm like, this is so strange And then when we got to the hotel The hotel, one of the guys that worked there he opened up to me as we as we stayed there and he started telling me the weirder aspects of furries like that they requested a litter box I'm not to shield you nothing crazy the sexual stuff I'll shield you from okay they had requested a litter box for the lobby like they literally wanted to go to the bathroom in the lobby in a large litter box they were going to set it up and maybe I'd rather hear about the sex part well they own they not owned but rather they rented out the entire hotel except for a couple rooms and I was one of those fucking rooms that they hadn't gotten because I had made my reservation in advance and so I'd done it like a few months out and the furries hadn't taken over the hotel yet that is so funny to imagine you at a furry convention it was hilarious they're friendly they're all nice you know they high -fived me and stuff you know I'm sure I'm sure it's they could be making the meanest evil face of the world behind that big smiley chipmunk mask but it was very strange they requested bowls they wanted to eat out of bowls on the ground like a dog so they wanted their food to be served on the ground human beings human mind is so complicated yes it is you just don't know let's get back to your point of focus um gender studies yeah um how did gender studies become like primarily something that women focus on because gender studies is not really gender studies like gender studies is like when you talk to someone they say they're involved in gender studies is either a guy who's some fucking weirdo feminist dude or it's women right well probably there's a healthy instinct to avoid a major that entails your you know just shaming you know feeling ashamed all the time but is that what it is why does it have to be that well also men don't major in the They don't major anywhere near the same numbers in these somewhat peripheral things.

[1381] Men are more practical.

[1382] They come to college.

[1383] They overwhelmingly are the engineering majors, the econ majors, the practical majors.

[1384] Well, there's liberal arts majors.

[1385] Yeah, but it's mostly women.

[1386] Philosophy is a little different.

[1387] But in most of the humanities, it's more men.

[1388] I mean, I'm sorry, more women, French literature.

[1389] And I've often thought it's partly sometimes people have said to me, Well, you're suggesting that women are more interested in the humanities and men are more interested in the sciences, but in Mexico or India, you know, they have just as many, they give me some example of places where women have the same majors.

[1390] They're typically societies where people are very at risk economically, societies that are not as prosperous.

[1391] If you get to a prosperous, you know, advanced democracy where you can afford you the opportunity for sort of high levels of self -realization, then people do what they most want to do.

[1392] And so women get to college.

[1393] They don't have to be an engineering major.

[1394] They can major in art history or feminist dance therapy if that exists or whatever they want.

[1395] And women, I think that women feel a little freer.

[1396] I think there are a lot of men that would prefer to do something other than what they're doing, but they're a little more practical.

[1397] I think most men think they are going to work a full -time job.

[1398] They don't have options.

[1399] I think a lot of women suspect that they might not have to.

[1400] So that's why they're getting involved in gender studies because they don't think they're actually going to have to make a living?

[1401] I don't know what would...

[1402] Well, it's a big generalization to say, to look at it all if it is one person.

[1403] Yeah, I'm sure there are many different reasons.

[1404] Actually, now, you can make...

[1405] a little career for yourself by working, you know, there's a little network of women's organization.

[1406] I mean, quite a large network, so they'll find a place there.

[1407] Do they do conferences and stuff like that?

[1408] All that.

[1409] But you know, you can't expect to make much money.

[1410] Right.

[1411] And if you care about that, but maybe it'll be fulfilled.

[1412] If you care about carrying on this campaign, this twisted propaganda -ridden campaign against patriarchy.

[1413] And by the way, I should add that it's too bad.

[1414] Gender Studies is that way, because gender is interesting and we should study it but it should be done by objective people who will can't from different with different agendas we all have agendas but you want to have a field where you kind of cancel out one another's agendas and get closer to true understanding yeah that was why I wanted to ask you about it because it is I mean the whole idea of men and women trying to figure each other out has always been problematic because we're doing it under the guise of trying to mate.

[1415] We're trying to mate with each other.

[1416] So we're trying to figure each other out while we're both bullshitting each other.

[1417] You know, it's like both people are wearing a mask and trying to figure out what they look like underneath that mask.

[1418] And that's how a lot of people get to the point where they're married and even, you know, they get divorced.

[1419] Well, I'm never falling for that shit again.

[1420] And then they fall into another nice little trap.

[1421] And I think that it would be really fascinating to have an honest class on what is the difference between men and women and what are the biological reasons for certain reactions?

[1422] Honest and helpful to know what to expect.

[1423] Like when you get married, your husband's probably not going to be like your college roommate.

[1424] You know, when you have children, chances are for most women, it's not all the majority.

[1425] This is, you know, the most over, you fall madly in love and you become obsessed and it really hurt you to go away for very long, you know, 40 hours a week.

[1426] And a lot of men can go away.

[1427] I mean, they can go away forever.

[1428] Men do abandon children or they're less fixated on them than women.

[1429] This is just a fact of our nature.

[1430] There are exceptions.

[1431] I'm just talking about overall you don't find women abandoning children usually unless there's mental illness or drugs, something.

[1432] But men do it all the time.

[1433] I think fatherhood, you know, it has to be supported and encouraged and it's better, we're better all around, but it can't be taken for granted.

[1434] And the worst thing we can do is to set people up just to be angry at each other because you're going to be married to a man who's not going to see the world exactly as you do, who's not going to care as much about your, I don't know, your window treatments or whatever.

[1435] It's not going to care as much.

[1436] And especially after you have babies, a lot of girls are slobs.

[1437] But when you have babies, there's something that changes and you really, you want the house clean.

[1438] and you want, you know.

[1439] Feathering the nest.

[1440] In your nest.

[1441] Yeah.

[1442] And men don't seem to have quite the same experience.

[1443] So people need to learn about it and learn how to argue.

[1444] Don't, like, people, there's so much insulting.

[1445] Like a lot of women, I see this happening.

[1446] They become their husband's mother.

[1447] They become nags.

[1448] Yeah.

[1449] Which is just a recipe for either misery or divorce.

[1450] Right.

[1451] Because he doesn't want to be married to a nagging mother.

[1452] And women should know that it's going to be frustrated.

[1453] because he will not be as much help as you want.

[1454] But you're frustrating to him because he probably has to do a lot of things he doesn't want to do.

[1455] So it's a big compromise, and young people should know this.

[1456] Well, the biological implications, the biological reality of being an animal is that most animals are raised by their mothers.

[1457] I mean, we would all do much better if the father was a loving father and was around, and it's a great thing to concentrate on.

[1458] But human beings, in a lot of ways, mirror.

[1459] activities that we see in other mammals and other mammals the women primarily or the females primarily take care of the babies i think that if we looked at gender studies from a biological standpoint and then looked at them from a sociological standpoint as well and tried to figure out like what's the comfortable middle ground and how can we better understand each other from the biological perspective and from the social perspective it'd be really interesting but it becomes a battleground for ideology more than anything else it's a waste to time indoctrination?

[1460] Or worse, it's indoctrination, as you say.

[1461] And it's not, another thing we need to know is what's easy to change and what isn't.

[1462] For example, males are, we've got very good evidence.

[1463] They're greater risk takers and rule breakers.

[1464] And you see this even evidence from the earliest ages.

[1465] Little male toddlers have more accidents.

[1466] They're more in the emergency rooms more.

[1467] They're doing crazier things.

[1468] It's more of a challenge.

[1469] So you need to know that.

[1470] And then what do you do with it?

[1471] And And I see the need to channel that.

[1472] You take that male risk -taking, which is very valuable for our species, that risk -taking and that rule.

[1473] And you direct it to good ends.

[1474] And a father is helpful or a male role model.

[1475] Or a coach, athlete.

[1476] You know, they're all sorts of things we do to socialize male energy.

[1477] And a society where the males are socialized to most of them to do good, you'll build, you know, you build, you know, the United States of America.

[1478] I mean, that's a healthy society.

[1479] But if you have a society like we have these dysfunctional, pathological societies, you get destruction and mayam because there is a pathological masculinity.

[1480] Most men aren't like that, but it exists.

[1481] So you need healthy masculinity.

[1482] You need to nurture that.

[1483] So we need to understand it, not resent it, not pathologize it, not criminalize it.

[1484] And yet we're doing this.

[1485] Toxic masculinity is one of my favorite Internet expressions.

[1486] Oh, yeah.

[1487] But there's toxic femininity, too.

[1488] There is, but it's not as funny.

[1489] No. Toxic masculinity, especially when men are using it, when men use that term, like, oh, Christ.

[1490] I know.

[1491] Toxic masculinity, good Lord.

[1492] So silly.

[1493] How dare you?

[1494] But, you know, it would have been interesting to study gender from objectively and it should be based in the sciences.

[1495] You should have input from.

[1496] Is it universal that gender is taught in school that gender studies are feminist -based ideologies?

[1497] There could be exceptions.

[1498] I haven't seen them.

[1499] Even in Norway and Sweden, and you go to the departments and they're full of people that, you know, with degrees in sociology, but who are very soft and who are strongly ideological.

[1500] Well, how do they get away with saying things like gender as a social construct?

[1501] Because there's so much evidence to the contrary.

[1502] The question is, how do you get away with questioning it and have a career in the academy?

[1503] Right.

[1504] That's the problem, right?

[1505] I questioned it.

[1506] and I had a colleague when I was, I told you earlier about reading these feminist textbooks and being horrified.

[1507] I remember one of them.

[1508] First of all, the author dedicated it to the women in my women's studies ovular in the spring of whatever year it was, 91.

[1509] And I hadn't seen the word ovular, and I always like to look up new words.

[1510] And I was about to look it up until it hit me. I would not find it.

[1511] She made it up.

[1512] She didn't like the word seminar with its root word associated with a very, Essence, you know, don't ask, yes, yes, don't think it through because it's annoying.

[1513] But she wasn't, you know, the thing is, she called it ovulans to the seminar.

[1514] Right.

[1515] Oh, good Lord.

[1516] Now, the thing is.

[1517] How about group?

[1518] Just forget it.

[1519] Gender neutral.

[1520] Why does it have to be?

[1521] There was another woman who said that she had a theory that we were all born bisexual.

[1522] And then through socialization, you know, our parents and society turned half of us into female human beings and half intense.

[1523] to male human beings.

[1524] And then she said, one destined to command and the other to obey.

[1525] I remember reading that to my husband.

[1526] Sounds like a fun date.

[1527] And he said, like, which one commands and which one obeys?

[1528] No, but I'm just saying, they have these views that would not survive in any kind of functional academic environment where people could freely exist.

[1529] It's not that they can't voice them because sometimes people that have kooky views sometimes, you know, people test it and they can't find fault and it, you know, it ends up, they end up being right.

[1530] Right.

[1531] So you have to be.

[1532] Polyamers, relationships, things along those lines that actually do work for some people.

[1533] For some people, you have to be open to that.

[1534] You have to resist closed -mindedness.

[1535] In the ideal university, that's where you have some people, you bring in people that challenge and you're constantly either reinforcing what we already know or challenging it or bringing in new ideas.

[1536] It's an exciting thing.

[1537] What we've done to our universities is so sad.

[1538] Now, it's still, what I just described, that's going on in computer technology, it's going on in the sciences.

[1539] It's been shut down in the humanities and to some degree in the social sciences and in education.

[1540] Is it possible that, as you said, the millennials today are the most open mind, the least likely to be racist or prejudice, that there's a good trend going on?

[1541] Is it possible that this same trend could eventually extend to the universities where these kids will realize how preposterous some of this behavior is and they'll reject some of this teaching?

[1542] And they'll understand that, like, yes, there is a certain amount of prejudice that some people have, but let's get to the root of it and find out why they have these misconceptions.

[1543] Why do they have these ideas in their head that are ultimately biased and wrong or degrading or whatever it is?

[1544] But is it possible that through conversations like this, through things like your YouTube videos, through more people discussing these ideas in an open form, and more people mocking things, like what happened at Yale or what happened?

[1545] Name the college.

[1546] There's probably something going on right now where someone's screaming at someone because they want to go to a lecture that's, you know, being taught by a man who said something offensive about women's roles.

[1547] Or wore the wrong shirt or something.

[1548] Yeah, oh, like that scientist that wore that.

[1549] It's so silly.

[1550] The problem is that these bad ideas have tenure.

[1551] Tenure.

[1552] They have tenure.

[1553] Tenure.

[1554] They are there.

[1555] I mean, so it's going to be hard.

[1556] I think what's going to happen is the universities are maybe going to become obsolete.

[1557] I think a lot of education is going to move to web -based education and cyber courses.

[1558] But where will people get laid?

[1559] I know.

[1560] I think it's sad if we lose our colleges.

[1561] But the colleges, I'm telling you, they will vaporize.

[1562] Yale is at risk right now.

[1563] Amherst College, some of our best universities, they are in, it is so dera, it's so crazy what's going on there.

[1564] And they have, it's as if they've weaponized the sensitivities of the most neurotic students on campus.

[1565] And these kids are now, you know, writing rough shot over everyone else.

[1566] That can't go on.

[1567] So they will become so dysfunctional.

[1568] Well, they need to film it.

[1569] Like when they film it, like when they film it.

[1570] We need films.

[1571] Yes.

[1572] When they filmed that one kid who, by the way, was an Asian American who was trying to take photographs of the African American guy who was on the hunger strike.

[1573] And they were accusing him of being a part of the patriarchy.

[1574] And he was a fucking student.

[1575] He was a student.

[1576] And the woman.

[1577] She was a professor of communications.

[1578] She had requested.

[1579] We need some muscle over here.

[1580] Oh, that was nice.

[1581] She had requested the media come and cover this.

[1582] just the day before, the day before, she had questioned the, she had requested, she made a tweet talking about this hunger strike, you know, this is a really important cause.

[1583] Can the media come and cover this?

[1584] So the media in the form of student media comes, this kid, and this lady's like, you have to leave, you have to leave.

[1585] They had decided that a public place was now private because this guy had created a safe space and they were going to do a hunger strike there, like, what in the fuck?

[1586] And what are they protesting?

[1587] But the video, but the video got out.

[1588] The video got out.

[1589] The whole world responded.

[1590] She had to resign.

[1591] The whole world realized how preposterous this behavior is.

[1592] But when we get a chance to see it, we meeting people on the outside, get a chance to see that video and comment on it.

[1593] From our own perspective, not from the perspective of someone engrossed in that sort of ideological trap, then you get to realize that these kids get to see how crazy we all think it is.

[1594] I think that there's a benefit in that.

[1595] There's a benefit in that.

[1596] But there's also a benefit in kids on campus to, to join out, you know, who are sensible and who believe, who do not want to be the generation where freedom came to die.

[1597] Because believe me, millennials out there, you are that generation.

[1598] Now, every generation has had big challenges to liberty.

[1599] Everybody finds new ways to challenge liberty.

[1600] You're tested, and you have to meet the test.

[1601] And we've been through, you know, the McCarthy era and, you know, all sorts of things that were in the Vietnam era.

[1602] And it had to be worked out.

[1603] This is your challenge.

[1604] And I say, start the resistance.

[1605] And there's a wonderful group called the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, Fire.

[1606] What I like about it, it's bipartisan.

[1607] It's liberals and conservatives who love freedom because I think that's what unites most Americans is that we can have our political differences, but we have this common commitment to freedom and to try to increase it and preserve it.

[1608] Now, this group, Fire, has replaced the ACLU for civil liberties.

[1609] The ACLU is asleep at the wheel.

[1610] you never hear from them about these campus, you know, this zealotry and these laws.

[1611] Well, I think they don't know how to approach it because the very people that are involved in that zealotry will also support the ACLU every step of the way because I think it's pretty universally acknowledged the ACL does great work.

[1612] They're very important.

[1613] My mother was a member and I don't know if I've ever been a member, but I loved Nadine Strauss and she used to be the president.

[1614] And we, you know, it was, it's great.

[1615] But it has been silent, relatively silent.

[1616] I think they're scared.

[1617] The ACLU can't be scared.

[1618] They must be scared.

[1619] They can't be scared.

[1620] But they're scared.

[1621] No, I think they're intimidated.

[1622] Yes.

[1623] Intimated is scared, isn't it?

[1624] Well, it's a little more complicated because I think they also may be, I don't know.

[1625] I'm not a psychologist.

[1626] But I will tell you that there are groups like libertarians, I noticed, atheists, you know, the ACLU lawyers, where they have a small cohort of very angry women.

[1627] And these are thoughtful, the majority of people are thoughtful, well -meaning.

[1628] and they listen to these angry women.

[1629] They think maybe we should be respectful.

[1630] Maybe they really are.

[1631] And they don't realize that it's a small group of bitter people who believe twisted theories and false statistics, and they're imposing that on the whole.

[1632] But these groups of women have been very divisive for libertarians.

[1633] They did it to the atheists.

[1634] I think they did it to the ACLU.

[1635] The mighty ACLU fell before a small group of zealots.

[1636] And they're more likely to be suing a school for having a boys' class to help boys read.

[1637] then they are to be going on the campus and calling out hordes of, you know, vigilante groups.

[1638] There was one professor that I follow who is a, it's kind of a radical, almost communist, very socialistic.

[1639] But he was saying that the only mistake that the woman made was that she did it before she got tenure.

[1640] And I was like, that is hilarious.

[1641] You know what?

[1642] She will get tenure.

[1643] This will not hurt her.

[1644] This will help her.

[1645] She's a celebrity.

[1646] Yeah.

[1647] She'll get a better, I mean, I don't know, but I didn't she resign?

[1648] Oh, no, she was, you're talking about the one at, yes.

[1649] The muscle, no. I think that she was asked, she had a, she has an appointment in the communications, but I think she was teaching by invitation for the school of journalism.

[1650] Right.

[1651] And University of Missouri has a story, wonderful, you know, journalism school.

[1652] And I think they were horrified to have, on a public university, to have a professor throwing out the police.

[1653] So she was disinvited from being.

[1654] part of that program, but no, no, she'll be at Wesleyan.

[1655] That's very cynical.

[1656] It's not cynical.

[1657] It's the factual feminist.

[1658] That's horrifying, though, that someone with that kind of thinking, they're telling some person that a public space.

[1659] Do you remember the Duke LaCross case?

[1660] How about the University of Virginia case that was in Rolling Stone magazine?

[1661] But even before the Duke LaCross, these young men falsely accuse, a flagrant lie.

[1662] Well, 88 professors.

[1663] long before anything was known about it.

[1664] They came out in an advertisement.

[1665] I don't know if it was in the school paper or a local paper, a siding with the accuser against the boys.

[1666] And some of them were very viciously outspoken.

[1667] And they basically were part of a vigilante group that conducted the equivalent of a witch hunt.

[1668] And there were no consequences.

[1669] They've gone on to better jobs, some of them.

[1670] Wow, really?

[1671] that's horrific that's absolutely horrific that was one of the things that made me hate nancy grace don't say hate her i don't say hate her because i don't know her i hate what she represents on television maybe she's like one of those people that's just like reality tv acting out and she's nice those duke lacrosse boys yeah she was horrible on that and it turns out that she was absolutely wrong and never apologized and those those kids didn't well i don't know what they did really i'm just and that night they did nothing apparently I mean one of them wasn't even there I mean he had proof that he was not there and it wasn't enough well it's again it's the lynch mob mentality and trying to keep them away from you you know and trying to turn them away from you so you have to say something that's going to exonerate you from being guilty by association or guilty by the way you know you you view the case you're not a part of the problem you're a part of the potential solution.

[1672] But I think liberal students and conservative students could unite on campus, just in favor of free expression.

[1673] Are they the most maligned students on campus, conservative students?

[1674] Oh, yeah.

[1675] Here's the good thing for conservative students and libertarian students.

[1676] When you get to campus, you're going to have your ideas challenged morning, noon, and night.

[1677] And that's probably good.

[1678] you're going to become very conversant in the ideas of the other side, which one of my favorite philosophers, John Stuart Mill, said you can't understand your own position unless you understand your critics.

[1679] You have to understand your critics almost as well as you understand yourself to truly be able to defend a position.

[1680] So conservatives have that advantage.

[1681] And they're professors, the majority, we have very good data, vast majority liberal.

[1682] So they will hear that.

[1683] And then they're going to make good friends if they hang out with each other.

[1684] They'll make buddies that, you know, it's like comrades in war.

[1685] They'll be friends for life.

[1686] then there are liberal students that go there, and they have to be careful because they're just going to be in an echo chamber, you know, and they'll hear it, and it'll be reinforced, and they better be careful and try to make a point of attending a lecture if someone comes.

[1687] It's offering a different point of view because they won't hear it.

[1688] But the conservative kids, up till now, up till a couple of years ago, they were fine.

[1689] I mean, people would occasionally be mean, but now I'm a little worried because this, this outburst of fanaticism, this outbreak of cry bullies, who could be, they could be very punishing.

[1690] Yeah, I mean, can you even have a young Republicans conference on a major campus?

[1691] Well, it's an interesting question.

[1692] There are.

[1693] They do have college Republicans.

[1694] I was invited to, even though I'm still a registered Democrat, the college Republicans and libertarians at Oberlin invited me, and it was the college Republicans and Claire Boof Luce at.

[1695] you had already been like triggered the dog triggered and you the people came with a tape over their face no that was the same they were the ones that invited me and all these kids found out and the same at Georgetown so you were invited to speak to republicans yeah and libertarians well that's probably a big part of what went wrong right they just assumed you're a part of the problem because of who invited you they didn't even care about that it was my name and they what they and they'd seen a you know a snippet of something from the factual feminist and said that I was I don't know.

[1696] You were going to trigger them.

[1697] Bad person.

[1698] They didn't want to hear.

[1699] They just did not want me on campus.

[1700] And, you know, I always try to put myself in the other person's position.

[1701] I think, what would upset me like that?

[1702] Who would I?

[1703] A lot of people, I would be very upset, you know, if a Nazi were coming or even someone who I, you know, I just thought was reckless and defamed people.

[1704] First of all, I'm not like that at all.

[1705] I haven't done anything like that.

[1706] but I can imagine being upset but even then what would I do if someone invited a horrible person I would not I would write an op -ed or having a you know on the campus you have to that's the place where you should learn to fight these things you fight bad ideas with good ideas not by spitting on them which happened at Yale and not by intimidating them which happened at Yale and Missouri and not by this kind of mob hysteria.

[1707] Who got spit on at Yale?

[1708] I think it was this is so, this is typical of what happened.

[1709] Greg Lukianoff from this group Fire that I urge people to check out because they're really taking they're leading the way fighting this nonsense on campus.

[1710] Well, he was speaking at Yale and he's actually the one that filmed Wait a minute, am I confusing my schools?

[1711] He filmed a student.

[1712] Oh yeah, yeah, it was at Yale.

[1713] He was speaking and he had an iPhone and he was with the professor whose wife had challenged the Halloween costumes and he actually was put on his iPhone not because he wanted to make a viral video but because he'd seen things like this happen and then students misrepresent what happened he was afraid they'd say the dean got, you know, was screaming of obscenities so he filmed it for that reason well before that he was giving a talk about free speech on campus and he was talking about some of the craziness going on and you just said in passing they're treating, you know, the dean's wife, I'm not sure this was an example, but it was something like this.

[1714] They're treating the dean's wife as if she's some kind of war criminal, as if she burned down a Indian village, like she's a genocidal maniac.

[1715] Some protesters said, Indian Village, you're making a joke about genocide?

[1716] And then he went crazy and had to be removed from the room.

[1717] Then word got out that somebody had joked about genocide and it was complete nonsense a complete mangling of what gregg lucianov had said this is what's happening they take a little comet to totally out of campus then the hysteria spreads because they're just ready to be to be triggered well i think it's again what we said there's just people looking for the green light they're just looking for there's a green light i see indian go and they just decide to get angry it's not it's not a rational response to someone saying something that's callous or rude or prejudiced, it's a green light.

[1718] These are certain subjects where you're allowed to be offended.

[1719] And now, anything will offend these groups.

[1720] So it's more and more, you know, there was a time where our campuses were so segregated and they were being integrated and these, you know, you see videos of, you know, you see footage of what it was, you know, in photographs, famous photographs when they first integrated the University of Mississippi and I guess it was, James Meredith going on campus and just horrible behavior.

[1721] And that that is so offensive.

[1722] That is racism.

[1723] Now there, there, it has to be, you know, these tiny, somebody drives by in a truck and maybe shouted something that mobilizes the campus.

[1724] It's interesting that decades later, things have changed so much that they have to search to find things to really truly be upset about.

[1725] Yeah, I think that's very fascinating.

[1726] These are like grievance collectors.

[1727] They just want to be, they're chronically offended.

[1728] people.

[1729] I mean, what is that that would motivate someone to want to have, to be in that mode?

[1730] I don't know.

[1731] I, as I said, I'm not a psychologist.

[1732] I'm a philosopher.

[1733] I recognize bad ideas and nonsense, but I don't understand that attraction.

[1734] I assume that they need real problems.

[1735] I assume that they need real, some real adversity in their life.

[1736] They need something real to do battle against.

[1737] And some have said it may be the result of the helicopter parenting and self -esteem education.

[1738] so they're hot overprotective kids every little setback there were parents and teachers and everyone oh poor thing so they never developed that healthy resilience they go to campus they hear a dean's wife writes an email about Halloween costumes they don't like and they flip out like does anybody really believe that that girl who screamed at the dean when yelled that this is my home you're you know like all that's crazy shit that she was yelling out.

[1739] Would she have done that if they were alone?

[1740] Does anybody believe that?

[1741] Does anybody believe that if they had met in an office somewhere and had a rational discussion?

[1742] She was acting.

[1743] She was putting on a theatrical performance for all the people that were involved.

[1744] She was worked up.

[1745] Worked up by the energy of the crowd.

[1746] By the crowd.

[1747] And you have to be careful of that.

[1748] I just warn people, be careful of that emotion of rage.

[1749] Doesn't lead to good places.

[1750] And that, and, you know, feeling really self -righteous.

[1751] And grandstanding.

[1752] And grandstanding.

[1753] There was a lot of grandstanding in that.

[1754] All of that behavior, you have misinformation, twisted theories, moral fervor.

[1755] History is one long lesson in the dangers of combining these things.

[1756] And what we talked about before, that life essentially has become some sort of a bizarre, open -ended reality show.

[1757] And that these people are jockeying for a great position on the social ladder.

[1758] And by being the person who yells at that guy on social media, that girl got a lot of pounds the next day at school.

[1759] girls would give her knuckles and hug her.

[1760] That was amazing.

[1761] Did you see you got 100 likes?

[1762] I'm just glad there was no social media when I was in college.

[1763] Are you?

[1764] Yes, because I was a...

[1765] Were you crazy?

[1766] Crazy and not that crazy, but a little crazy.

[1767] And I was on the periphery of a mob at NYU that occupied a computer.

[1768] It was a big deal.

[1769] There was a computer.

[1770] You occupied a computer?

[1771] Yeah, it was a big thing.

[1772] Now they're occupying a whole street.

[1773] You occupied a computer?

[1774] No, this was the Korant Institute, and we were going to destroy the computer.

[1775] I hadn't thought it through.

[1776] Why were you going to destroy the computer?

[1777] Oh, because we thought they were doing research for the war.

[1778] This is a long time ago.

[1779] Okay, this was 69, I believe, maybe 70.

[1780] And I was on the periphery of a crowd.

[1781] And I do think there was a moment where a dean came, and I may have had words with him.

[1782] Did you yell at him like that girl?

[1783] No, not like that.

[1784] Close?

[1785] But he just said something, young lady.

[1786] However, the difference is, once I knew he was a dean, I ran away.

[1787] Yeah, I didn't want to, I don't know.

[1788] I'm just glad there isn't a videotape.

[1789] So how were they using the computer for the war?

[1790] I think that it was a mathematical institute called the Courant Institute.

[1791] And they had a computer which was, you know, a big deal.

[1792] It was huge.

[1793] And I think they thought they could go in and destroy it.

[1794] And, but I'll tell you, it was probably one of my first moments of awareness about the dangers of the left, even though I was an enthusiastic participant.

[1795] We did break into the building.

[1796] And we were in someone's.

[1797] office and I was kind of thrilled I'm at the the military industrial complex and this is the brain center and and I was in an office and somebody started punching out somebody slides they were you remember slides you put on they were punching them out and I thought oh what is that and I looked and it was like a professor's photographs of his kids and they were destroying them they were destroying them and then I looked around and thought this is just some person and I kind of slowly retreated I felt very ashamed.

[1798] I didn't know what.

[1799] There were thousands of us there, all right?

[1800] I'm not confessing to a crime.

[1801] Right.

[1802] But I was part of a crazy mob.

[1803] And I never forgot that.

[1804] And then I started, you know, well, I mean, I still remained a protester for a while, but never was I ever on the part of anything like that.

[1805] Well, I think then you uniquely understand the whole hysteria behind it and how you can get kind of caught up in it.

[1806] And I understand something else.

[1807] some of the craziest ones are going to defect to my side eventually because among the Marxists for example some of the best anti -Marxists were former Marxists some of the people who had the most penetrating analysis of what's wrong with totalitarian systems they were once people who were part of it I think there are a lot of smart kids who had an education they've been robbed of a serious education they're going to realize it, and they're going to reflect, and they are going to be radicalized in a good way.

[1808] Well, you see that a lot of people who are former cult members go on to become members of cult awareness groups or lead cult awareness groups.

[1809] I actually had a couple on that have been in cults and have talked openly about their – I think they share something and that people love to be a part of a group.

[1810] It's a tribal thing.

[1811] It is tribal.

[1812] I remember chanting and, you know, being – and it was.

[1813] It was exhilarating.

[1814] You're like, hell no, we won't go.

[1815] Yeah, yeah.

[1816] Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?

[1817] Oh, yeah.

[1818] Yeah, did that.

[1819] And you marched on Washington.

[1820] That's a cause, though, that made sense.

[1821] Vietnam was a fucked up war.

[1822] It was.

[1823] You know, I don't think my understanding of it totally made sense, but in retrospect, it was a messed up war.

[1824] Oh, you don't swear?

[1825] I do.

[1826] Just not on podcasts.

[1827] It'll just become a little take it out.

[1828] Right.

[1829] Whoa.

[1830] You're very aware.

[1831] Very aware.

[1832] Yeah, interesting.

[1833] You have to worry about that.

[1834] That's a beautiful thing about being a comedian.

[1835] I have to worry about that shit.

[1836] You know, I don't worry about it because, I just worry about it because I, it's been done so many times.

[1837] Right.

[1838] Every little thing they'll take.

[1839] And then, you know, there's always my 92 -year -old -old mother who will, somehow she's on Facebook and she sees these things.

[1840] Wow.

[1841] She's saying, what were you doing, darling?

[1842] Why did you say that?

[1843] Like she's going to, well, she knows I, she's very left wing.

[1844] Yes.

[1845] So she, yes.

[1846] But she totally agrees with me about my critique of feminism because she likes men.

[1847] She's never been that kind of feminist.

[1848] She's a feminist who she loves humanity.

[1849] She's a little naive, I think, you know, in her politics because she's still very left -wing.

[1850] But she's, it comes from a good place.

[1851] So I'm sympathetic.

[1852] Not only was I once a radical, but I'm sympathetic to leftist because the people probably close.

[1853] Some of the people closest to my heart are very left -wing.

[1854] they're not haters.

[1855] They're not, you know, they don't take whole groups of people and impugn them as evil.

[1856] Well, I'm very sympathetic to a lot of the ideas that left -wing people have.

[1857] And I don't know if I consider myself left -wing or libertarian or what, but I'm kind of in the middle and a lot of different things.

[1858] You're probably like me. I'm homeless, politically homeless.

[1859] I try to think, well, maybe I'm, maybe I agree with the Republicans and then they'll say something that's so unacceptable.

[1860] And then I think, oh, maybe Bernie Sanders and then.

[1861] 90 % of all Then you'll say something And I thought I could be behind Hillary But she's kind of irritating And I think on these women's issues It's going to be I don't know She could be very bad for You know Issues I care about How so?

[1862] She might not be But well in the current administration There's an invisible government In all administrations There's an invisible government of people who, you know, regulators and people who work in little agencies in the government.

[1863] And they write policy.

[1864] They write regulation.

[1865] And so we've seen our schools, a lot of the things I've been talking about that are contrary to the interests of boys, this is coming out of government, and it's coming out of these agencies.

[1866] And Democrats, they exist both, Republicans can't stop it, and they do it in other areas that I don't know as much about.

[1867] But in the Democratic the social issues, anything that it affects education or media, they're doing things that I just find very problematic and not in the interest of liberty or well -being.

[1868] And so that's what I worry.

[1869] But she might not do it.

[1870] She might surprise us.

[1871] Well, I always assume that those directions are being prompted by special interest groups and people that have gotten people into power in the first place.

[1872] By the time you get to be a president, you have so many people you're beholden to.

[1873] so many people that have spent so much money, you almost have very little time to think about anything other than reconciling that.

[1874] Right.

[1875] And it's probably not your primary interest, but you want to help out the American Association of University Women.

[1876] And you assign people to deal with that, and they run with it.

[1877] Yeah.

[1878] And then they run with it and make policy that you may or may not even agree with, but you kind of committed to it.

[1879] Some really bad policies in my opinion in education.

[1880] So I worry about the Democrats there.

[1881] So there's a lot to worry about in both parties so I'm kind of homeless but but do you take satisfaction in what you're doing do you enjoy making these factual feminist videos and I do to this I wish I weren't doing it I did not in this sense there's so many things I have a lot of interests and I would also like to spend some period of my life just being a dilettante because I love music and literature and art love to go to travel and this takes a lot of time it takes a lot of energy and and not always good energy because you're dealing with once again, I have to read something that is so problematic.

[1882] And sometimes it takes a long time to untie knots in the truth.

[1883] It's easier to tie a knot in the truth than untie once.

[1884] So I'll have to write a long article explaining why someone was so wrong and I have to do it over and over again.

[1885] So it's tedious.

[1886] On the other hand, I don't want to see bullies winning.

[1887] and so I welcome the time where more people come forward but we do need to have more professors coming forward because you need scholars and you need people who can look at the data you need statisticians it's not enough to have activists so this can't be done by pundits the hard you know the heavy lifting to push back the politically correct forces of unreason on campus it's going to have to be other scholars that put up the stop sign or, you know, that encourage a move towards, you know, a more rational worldview.

[1888] But what's going to motivate them to do that, to make a shift?

[1889] It's possible that things are getting so bad that more will be emboldened.

[1890] The more realize, like, what happened to the Yale guy?

[1891] No, there's, for example, there's Steve Pinker, I guess he's at Harvard, and there's Jonathan Height at, I believe he's now at NYU, was at the University of Virginia.

[1892] been outspoken for a long time, but they are really starting to come out and call cry foul about what's going on, and they're powerful, and they're brilliant guys, and tremendous command of, you know, the literature in their fields, and they're able to bring that to bear.

[1893] Fantastic lectures and essays and books and so forth.

[1894] So there's Jonathan Haidt, there's Stephen Picker, but I want more women.

[1895] I think that it's going to take women scholars to challenge, the hegemony of the, this hard line, you know, male averse feminists that, you know, have a monopoly now on gender studies.

[1896] It's going to take some women scholars.

[1897] So I'm waiting for them to come.

[1898] But they just, so far it hasn't happened.

[1899] There are a few, but not very many.

[1900] Is there a single man out there that teaches gender studies?

[1901] Oh, yeah.

[1902] Really?

[1903] What do they like?

[1904] One of, oh.

[1905] I'm thinking of one person.

[1906] I won't mention him, but he's so frustrating.

[1907] You reacted so quickly.

[1908] There was such a visceral built -in, oh.

[1909] Oh, I'm thinking of a particular individual who is so frustrating.

[1910] Why is it so frustrating?

[1911] You don't have to name his name, but what's wrong with this poor bastard?

[1912] You know, I will say what's wrong with him, and his name is Michael Kimmel.

[1913] And what frustrates me, he is a male feminist, as radical as any that I've mentioned, and he was given a fortune, or maybe not a fortune, but a sizable amount of money, to start one of the first centers for the study of men.

[1914] So he's at, I think it's Sunni or one of the New York campuses, and he has all this money for a center to study men, and he doesn't like men.

[1915] He doesn't like men.

[1916] Well, in my, he's a hardline feminist.

[1917] He believes that in toxic masculinity, he loves to talk about things like that.

[1918] He takes the worst -case male, you know, a school shooter, or some deranged sociopath, and makes that a metaphor.

[1919] for all men.

[1920] He does that sort of thing.

[1921] You know, the Columbine killers, those are our boys, all our boys.

[1922] No, they're not.

[1923] They are psychopathic killers, and they are extreme, even among psychopathic killers.

[1924] They don't represent our boys.

[1925] And I'm overstating a little bit, but not by much.

[1926] So we finally get a center that's going to study young men and it's run by him.

[1927] And who does he put on the board?

[1928] He's got Eve Ensler, who wrote the vagina monologues, which was kind of male averse.

[1929] I don't think there's any positive males in that, except maybe Vagina Bob, but he's not very sympathetic.

[1930] And then there's Gloria Steinem and Carol Gilligan.

[1931] It's not going to work.

[1932] So he's a male gender studies professor.

[1933] He's a feminist sociologist.

[1934] Feminist sociologist.

[1935] What does this gentleman look like?

[1936] Does he look like what you would expect?

[1937] I don't know what you're imagining.

[1938] Is he an overweight woman with pink hair?

[1939] No. No, he's not.

[1940] No, he looks normal.

[1941] He looks like just.

[1942] No, I don't know what is.

[1943] I don't know what forces created.

[1944] But that's what we're dealing with.

[1945] So there's a few of those.

[1946] They're like vampire familiars.

[1947] That's what they're like.

[1948] There's that movie Blade.

[1949] He would have these little sycophants around them that were not really vampires, but they wanted to be vampires.

[1950] They were hoping the vampires would turn them.

[1951] and they would say anything.

[1952] Well, he believes it, and he believes the statistics.

[1953] And, you know, I was thinking maybe when he started this center, he'd become a little more sympathetic towards.

[1954] I don't see evidence of that.

[1955] He's still.

[1956] Well, you could certainly, if you looked around, the problem is the numbers of people that you're dealing with.

[1957] You're dealing with 300 plus million people in this country and decades of news stories.

[1958] And if you wanted to look at the numbers in that way, you could find a lot of evidence that men have done horrible shit.

[1959] I mean, there's no doubt about it.

[1960] There's no question.

[1961] You look at our prisons.

[1962] And we talked before, that male violence, they are more violent.

[1963] And a society that doesn't take an account, the male capacity for rule breaking and risk taking and wreaking that, you know, boys who are insufficiently socialized have very unpleasant ways of making themselves noticed.

[1964] And you have to be careful.

[1965] but it's this tiny minority and it usually takes other men to protect the rest of us from them and I always wonder like just the other day in Paris there was this horrible terrorist attack and there was a little story about in the news about this cafe and these people were slaughtered in the cafe and there's this lovely young woman who was in the hospital from trauma and there was this beautiful man who'd thrown herself on him His instinct was just to protect her and protect as many people as he could, this beautiful guy.

[1966] And I thought, why can't we take him as emblematic of what men can do, you know, but the gender scholars never, we never find him.

[1967] We find serial killers.

[1968] They say, well, that's what men do.

[1969] Well, there certainly are a lot of men, serial killers.

[1970] The problem is, I think, when you focus only on the negative aspects of it, you also run the risk of self -definition.

[1971] by the people that listen to what he has to say and take his class, you become guilty by association.

[1972] You are a man. You get those guys who make those videos that I am apologizing for every man ever before me, and they want to distinguish themselves as being different, and they want to go way out of the way.

[1973] Have you ever seen that Dear Woman video?

[1974] Oh, God.

[1975] Yes, I have.

[1976] And it's the worst kind of gender profiling, isn't it?

[1977] No, it's perfect.

[1978] It's perfect, because those guys are the guys are the guys that wouldn't survive.

[1979] If you took those guys on like a trek through the woods, those are the guys that would have the sprained ankles and they would start weeping.

[1980] Those are the guys.

[1981] And those are the guys that if you had left, they would be at home with your wife and they would say horrible things about you and what a terrible person you are and try to get her to love them instead of loving you.

[1982] Because they're weak.

[1983] They're what, pardon my French, weak bitches.

[1984] That's what men like to call men like that.

[1985] And that's why they make those videos.

[1986] Those videos, they're not made by normal.

[1987] Why would a man apologize for things that other men have done?

[1988] If you've done something horrible, you should say, dear women, I've done some fucked up shit.

[1989] I've made some horrible movies that portrayed women in a very unfavorable light, and I didn't consider the fact that some women would watch those movies, and it would somehow or another define them in their own way.

[1990] I shouldn't have done that.

[1991] Well, this isn't what they're doing.

[1992] They're apologizing for the other men, and therefore setting themselves up on a moral high ground, which is what a lot of male feminists do.

[1993] They're weak men.

[1994] They're really weak men.

[1995] They're unfavorable sexually, and they're not the type of men that women would choose.

[1996] So what they have done is they've tried to figure out a way in the game to be, like, what men want is people to love them.

[1997] It's women want it, everybody wants people to love them.

[1998] And when they don't have any particularly outright masculine characteristics, they're not attractive, they're not handsome, they're not bold, they're not daring, they're not creative, they're not profound or charismatic.

[1999] they become male feminists.

[2000] And that's what they do.

[2001] They become these sort of gender traitors that they call out all the weakness of all the other men to sort of highlight themselves as being different.

[2002] I'm not saying it's all male feminists, because, again, I think there's a lot of male feminists that they take on this idea because they do see sexism.

[2003] They want people to be equal.

[2004] They want to be judged based on the merits of who they are as a human being.

[2005] And I can respect them.

[2006] I just would like them to consider that things are not exactly the way they think, and they might have been taught by a charismatic women studies professor.

[2007] They might be more complicated.

[2008] And they should know that there was efforts to keep people like me and Camille Pahlia and Wendy Kaminer and a long list of us.

[2009] There were a group of feminists who were not male averse, who were sex positive, and we were driven, you know, we were not included.

[2010] We were not invited to the table, and there's a reason why kids, they don't read us, or if they do, you know, it's immediately just savaged and very selective in what they assign.

[2011] So they haven't had the advantage on these issues of hearing from a range of a full range of opinion.

[2012] Yeah, it's fascinating because none of what you're saying is offensive, none of what you're saying is derogatory, and the idea that you would somehow or another trigger people or cause the creation of safe spaces is preposterous.

[2013] It's absurd.

[2014] I needed armed guards, me. Yeah.

[2015] But I love it how they were women.

[2016] I love that they're women armed guards.

[2017] Well, they were protecting me because they both at, and this happened at Georgetown.

[2018] They gave me security guards.

[2019] At Georgetown as well.

[2020] And you know what else was happening at Georgetown?

[2021] For whatever reason among social justice warriors is there sometimes called, clapping is thought to be triggering.

[2022] And so when they approve of what you or their comrades say, they do jazz hands or clicking.

[2023] And yes, if you watch.

[2024] some of the mobs on campus they're clicking their fingers yes you can see it and it's I just want to say even as a former radical like don't do that because clapping is like beating like someone could be beating you is that what it is maybe it's it's just whatever it's just upsetting and otherizing it's otherizing maybe is that real otherizing is that a real term otherizing you're treating as the other and by the way nobody does more otherizing and demonizing than these hardline feminists.

[2025] It's like everything they say men do, not everything, but most of the things they say men do, they do.

[2026] They stereotype, demonize, other eyes, and they don't just do microaggressions.

[2027] They're macroaggressions.

[2028] They're very rude.

[2029] What is this fashion now among so many feminists to be so snarky and mean?

[2030] Yeah.

[2031] And I don't think being mean, men didn't succeed in the world because they were mean and vicious why do they think that that is a recipe because it gets effect it has an effect today with our social media climate the fact that we have this new world this new environment those snarky posts get the most reaction they get the most retweets and favorites and they get the most likes and that is seen as currency is seen as like a social media currency and so by attacking people You can also get them to respond and engage you.

[2032] And it's a way they seek out high -profile people that might have a difference of opinion with them.

[2033] They'll seek them out and insult them and force them to engage because someone, you read something insulting about you.

[2034] You're like, whoa.

[2035] Like I told you, like, when I'd been called a male rights advocate by this really obese feminist woman, I was like, what is that me?

[2036] What is an MRI?

[2037] And I had to read it.

[2038] I just blocked her.

[2039] I'm like, I'm not going to engage with someone who just insults me and just says a bunch of insulting shit and calls me a moron.

[2040] and an asshole and all these different things.

[2041] I never even communicated with them.

[2042] I had no communication with her whatsoever.

[2043] She just decided to single, and it wasn't just one.

[2044] There was quite a few of them.

[2045] And it's because a lot of people will react.

[2046] You get that, and it's your automatic reaction to react to them.

[2047] That's why they're yelling things at you.

[2048] They're trying to get you to react to them.

[2049] If they just talk to you in a normal way, and there's a bunch of people talking in a normal way.

[2050] I used to be drawn in on Twitter.

[2051] Not because I wanted to react.

[2052] I always, I am, is the mother and the professor in me. If someone's carrying on, and I want to reason with them.

[2053] And, you know, and then I have learned that it's a waste of time in some cases.

[2054] Well, we're all learning.

[2055] We're all learning how to handle this new world.

[2056] And definitely do not right, engage late at night.

[2057] It keeps you up.

[2058] I've been tweeting like at three in the morning.

[2059] I think this is insane because I've gotten some.

[2060] Exchange or I'm watching an exchange.

[2061] It's not a good thing to do.

[2062] Do not tweet after midnight.

[2063] I think it's wonderful in a lot of ways.

[2064] And I hope that all this ridiculousness is something that's going to be ironed out.

[2065] And I think that this is something that all human beings are starting to learn how to navigate, the world of social media.

[2066] And that this kind of behavior where someone just immediately gets snarky and becomes insulting just in order to get attention, it's going to be laughed at.

[2067] I think that's a good point.

[2068] It's going to evolve and there will become sort of unwritten rules of the game.

[2069] And I hope one of the rules is don't join a hitter, a Twitter hate mob and attack some hapless professor or someone that you heard from somebody told a joke.

[2070] And by the way, can we just leave jokes alone altogether?

[2071] I mean, let comedians tell their jokes.

[2072] You can't now have a comedian on campus because everyone will be triggered.

[2073] Well, comedians are bullies.

[2074] If you make a joke about something, you're a bully.

[2075] If someone disagrees...

[2076] But I grew up, people like George Carlin were...

[2077] That was where they were.

[2078] They were on campus.

[2079] And, you know...

[2080] Yeah, most of us won't work on campuses now.

[2081] I know.

[2082] Yeah, a big percentage of comics won't work on campuses.

[2083] And apparently there are little committees.

[2084] I read this story about little committees who decide which comedian to invite, and they have to try out.

[2085] And there are so many ways you can strike out.

[2086] I mean, forget the obvious ways.

[2087] You can, everything is offensive.

[2088] Everything is offensive.

[2089] Jokes are offensive.

[2090] Jokes are triggering.

[2091] I had a guy, I mean, this is going way back.

[2092] This is going back to the early 90s.

[2093] I used to do a lot of colleges when I was coming up, but it was way easier back then.

[2094] There was no social media.

[2095] It was not hard to do.

[2096] And this was like, early, like 90, 91, 92, pre -internet.

[2097] I used to do a lot of them because it was a great way to make money.

[2098] but I remember one time I used to do this Q &A thing with kids they would ask me questions and I would just joke around after the show so I'd do my show like I didn't have anywhere to go so I doubt and so the guy goes I forget what he said something about tell a joke so I said two Jews walk into a bar they buy it thank you very much you know it's a joke and he came up to me after the show and said that was really offensive what you said about you and I could tell he was like testing the waters of whether or not he should actually be offended.

[2099] I go, you're really offended?

[2100] I go, what's offensive by that?

[2101] It was a stereotype.

[2102] It's stereotypical.

[2103] And I'm like, well, it's about Jewish people buying things being successful in business.

[2104] Like, it's not negative at all.

[2105] Like, how, and he was perplexed.

[2106] I find it funny.

[2107] But it's a stupid old street joke, but saying that it's offensive was an automatic reaction to this young kid that hadn't yet experienced this wave of social justice warriors that were reinforcing these stupid ideas he has in his head.

[2108] Like, he had decided that since I was saying something about an ethnicity or even saying it.

[2109] Yeah, it was a minority and just even saying a joke about it was offensive.

[2110] It's clearly not an offensive joke.

[2111] It's about Jewish people being good at business.

[2112] I mean, that's the whole, it's not even a good joke.

[2113] It's terrible, but I'll never forget it.

[2114] Him coming up to me and saying that I found that really offensive, I'm like, get the fuck out of here.

[2115] You didn't think that was offensive?

[2116] That's not offensive.

[2117] It's just not.

[2118] It's not good, but it's certainly not offensive.

[2119] I hope he doesn't see any Mel Brooks moves.

[2120] or listen to Jackie Mason or, you know, that...

[2121] Well, it's just, it's that thing where you're young and you want to kind of establish your viewpoint and you want to separate yourself from the fools of the world and say that, you know, you're going to be different than your parents, you're going to branch out on your own, and you're, you know, you're a fucking young mind.

[2122] They're 18 years old, 19, 20, whatever they are.

[2123] They're off away on their own, staying in dorms and reinforcing each other.

[2124] those terrible ideas together and some of them more sensitive than others and some of them grew up in a more suppressive environment than others some of them more easily led than others and some of them will have ideas that they will nurture when they're 18 or 19 years old they will completely abandon when they get into their 20s and they realize how preposterous those ideas were unless they get completely indoctrinated and then they go on to become a part of the very system that indoctrinated them themselves.

[2125] I think that's a lot of the fears that a lot of people looking at it from the outside like me. That's a lot of the fears that we have.

[2126] Like we wonder, like this is sort of a closed loop, the closed loop of becoming an academic yourself and reinforcing these ideas without a whole lot of interaction with the real world, without a whole lot of interaction with people that have differing opinions that may be just as intelligent as you.

[2127] And maybe you can learn from each other or come up with some sort of a middle ground.

[2128] But that's not tolerated.

[2129] You don't tolerate anybody that looks at these ideas from a different perspective or from a singular point of view.

[2130] Like, it all has to be in this very rigid, ideological, predetermined pattern or behavior that everybody locks into.

[2131] Yeah.

[2132] Well, we need a rebellion, a youth rebellion.

[2133] Well, is that, do you think that's kind of going on, though, like the reaction to these videos?

[2134] There's a rebellion.

[2135] Well, it is a rebellion.

[2136] And this will give you heart.

[2137] When you read, as I do, because on Twitter, people send me these things.

[2138] You'll read an article in the Yale Daily News or the Amherst, whatever newspaper they have.

[2139] People will write something very annoying, PC, to the extreme.

[2140] And then you read the letters.

[2141] And those give you heart because you see there is still very reasonable people in these colleges who are not buying it.

[2142] But they have to be somehow empowered.

[2143] I don't know how to do that.

[2144] Yeah, I don't know how to do that either.

[2145] But I think information and open discourse and just those, that's exactly what's going on right now with the Internet and with social media.

[2146] Those two things are the most important aspects of a society evolving and a society without, really without anybody running it.

[2147] I mean, the thing about colleges and the thing about a university course is that you have a professional.

[2148] professor, you want to get a good grade, the professor has an ideology, that they're sort of passing on to you, and you want to try to manipulate them a little bit and write in a way that you think that they will appeal to their sensibilities, their ideology.

[2149] Well, the internet doesn't have that.

[2150] I mean, you have giant groups of people, but ultimately you just have people.

[2151] I mean, that's really what it is.

[2152] There's a lot of different kinds of ideas that are floating around out there, and you're going to find people that resonate with your ideas and people that don't.

[2153] And along the way, you're going to have people that read some of the things that you've written or some of the things that you've said and take it down and call you a fool.

[2154] And you're going to have to look at that.

[2155] And you're going to have to go, wow, maybe when I yelled at that Yale Dean, I was being a fucking idiot.

[2156] Maybe that is grandstanding.

[2157] Maybe that is preposterous.

[2158] And maybe I would not have done that if I was alone with him.

[2159] Maybe that is just something that I did because I was caught up in the fervor of the By the way, that professor who really shamed herself by acting out, and it got on the media, the one from the University of Missouri, the communications professor, she did write, she wrote an apology.

[2160] And I thought it was, I mean, I'm willing to forgive her because it was heartfelt, and she did say that she was sort of horrified to watch herself.

[2161] And so I'm thinking, no, she may be just a heart.

[2162] Good for her.

[2163] But I thought people were saying, oh, she's just trying to keep her job.

[2164] Well, first of all, I don't think we should be after people's jobs.

[2165] And, you know, in that way.

[2166] I mean, not that she did teach a lot of weird courses.

[2167] She taught a course on abstinence and...

[2168] No, no, 50 shades of gray.

[2169] Is it 50 or 60 or whatever?

[2170] 50, yeah.

[2171] She taught us course on 50 shades of gray and she taught a course on...

[2172] Abstinence in the Twilight series.

[2173] Oh, she did?

[2174] Yes, about how Edward didn't have sex with her.

[2175] And meanwhile, she wrote Edward was 17 years old.

[2176] The fuck he was.

[2177] Okay, he was 100 years old.

[2178] He just died when he was 17.

[2179] He became a vampire.

[2180] That's a goddamn pedophile movie.

[2181] She should check your facts.

[2182] You should check your privilege, lady.

[2183] Yeah, and her privilege.

[2184] But I didn't...

[2185] I needed jazz hands, but it's hard to do that for audio.

[2186] Most of our audience is audio only.

[2187] Oh, really?

[2188] Massive amount.

[2189] Oh, good.

[2190] They don't see my tics.

[2191] You look great.

[2192] No, no, but I touch my hair too much, and I do think that.

[2193] It's not a bad thing.

[2194] If I had hair, I'd just constantly, I'd throw it over my shoulders, I'd flip it.

[2195] Don't you hate Sometimes seeing yourself I'm so used to it Oh you're used to it So I've watched some lectures And I have tics And I don't know what to do And I thought oh but my age I'm not gonna go change So I just go Yeah I mean you learn a lot about What's annoying to you Like a lot of people do things That are annoying to other people They don't know it You learn a lot about like speech tics We were just talking about that In the last podcast we did The expression like Like people say like all the time Like there's like a thing like that you do like.

[2196] It's like a sophisticated version of um.

[2197] And there's another one.

[2198] When I'm lecturing, I do a lot of ums.

[2199] That's normal.

[2200] It's, you're thinking.

[2201] You know, we sort of accept it.

[2202] That's why it's so impressive when you meet a guy like Sam Harris that can get through hours long conversation with no preparation whatsoever and never um.

[2203] And speak in perfect paragraphs.

[2204] Yeah, I don't know how the fuck he does it.

[2205] Did you ever hear Christopher Hitchens?

[2206] No, no. I never had a chance.

[2207] I would have loved to get drunk with that guy.

[2208] I know.

[2209] fun.

[2210] As long as I didn't say anything stupid and have him eviscerate me. I remember him with Most Deaf.

[2211] He was on real time with Bill Maher with Most Def, and Most Def didn't know what the fuck he was talking about.

[2212] He was, who I love as a rapper, I think he's an awesome musician.

[2213] But he was talking about the difference between the Taliban and Al -Qaeda, and he didn't understand the difference between the two, and Hitchens just lit him up.

[2214] He was drunk.

[2215] He had a couple drinks in him, and he just decided, like, this is the problem, these people with opinions that have never bothered to research exactly what they're talking about and he just let them up yeah he you do not want to be taken down by someone like christopher hitches yeah he was he was very funny and provocative in a lot of ways too he he wrote that uh vanity fair piece which is very funny about women not being funny you know why women are funny which of course is not really true there's a lot of women that are really funny but he was pointing to the fact that women that are funny are kind of like they're butchy and almost like a masculine sort of a way yeah he's not really right about that but he's not right about that because Sarah Silverman's one of the funniest people on the planet and she's very feminine.

[2216] She's not butchie at all.

[2217] Yeah, but even going back, people, do you remember, do you remember Madeline Khan?

[2218] Sure.

[2219] She's so funny.

[2220] Very funny.

[2221] She was fabulous and, you know, in beauty.

[2222] Joan Rivers.

[2223] I mean, look, Joan Rivers is one of the best all -time comedians.

[2224] Best.

[2225] She was vicious.

[2226] Don't you miss her?

[2227] Yes, I do miss her now.

[2228] But what's going on on a campus?

[2229] She would be so great.

[2230] Yes.

[2231] Well, she was back then even, she was talking about it.

[2232] I mean, when she was alive, she was talking about how ridiculous it is that these kids are fucking babies you know she would be and young women need to see people like her I mean she's she was funny and she was smart she was fast and yeah there's a lot of young up -and -coming comedians right now too that are women that are really hilarious that are very feminine and then they should be one thing they should they can be feminine but they shouldn't be politically correct it would be terrible if we had a group of feminists that did that actually practicing comedians that would then start policing I don't see that, but it has happened in other professions.

[2233] Well, there are some male feminist comedians, and they're fucking brutal.

[2234] They're brutal.

[2235] It's like...

[2236] Are they listened to it?

[2237] No. I mean, they have small groups of people that subscribe to their ideas, and they're happy to join in.

[2238] They think they're great, and they're reinforced by the echo chamber, but, you know, they're just, they're saying nonsense.

[2239] But I would think comedians, like the atheists, these are skeptics.

[2240] They are people who thought through for them.

[2241] You would think that they would not be vulnerable to sort of a political hijacking by a group that believes a lot of things that are demonstrably false.

[2242] And yet they were vulnerable.

[2243] I think that's not all of them.

[2244] I mean, there was a division.

[2245] It was very divisive.

[2246] Well, people don't like being criticized, you know.

[2247] And if you're criticized and you're mocked and you're taken down because of your ideas, you'll soften those ideas.

[2248] You'll bend with the wind.

[2249] Yeah, but I'm saying if it happens to comedians, it'll be, it won't.

[2250] happen they you know it just can't because it's going to be so tempting for someone to come in and you just blow it away the way we got to be comedians in the first place is by resisting all that stuff with the real problem becomes when they become successful and maybe another arena like maybe they become a talk show host or they have a big important job with a network on some sitcom sitcom or something like that and they don't want to rock the boat like you'll notice like a lot of comedians they get sitcoms and then the sitcoms become really popular and they pretty much stop performing.

[2251] They stopped doing stand -up.

[2252] That happened with a lot of them.

[2253] Jerry Seinfeld didn't perform for a long time.

[2254] Because you can be Tim Allen.

[2255] Same thing.

[2256] You can get in trouble.

[2257] You can get, like, I know guys who had sitcoms where the network actually told them to not do stand -up.

[2258] Just put it aside for a while.

[2259] That was, uh, fucks his name from, uh, the John Stamos sitcom, Bob Sagitt.

[2260] Bob Sagitt, who was like a really dirty act, but it was on, uh, like a family sitcom.

[2261] They let's shut him down.

[2262] Like, he'd stopped doing stand -up for a long time.

[2263] Well, I wish we had George Carlin.

[2264] I wish we had Mort Saul.

[2265] My dad.

[2266] Mort's still around.

[2267] He's still around.

[2268] He's still around.

[2269] He's tweeted at me. Did he?

[2270] He's on Twitter?

[2271] About a year ago.

[2272] Oh, my goodness.

[2273] Oh, my goodness.

[2274] He's still doing some stuff.

[2275] There's a few of those guys that are still out there.

[2276] You know, Dick Gregory is actually at the comedy store this Sunday.

[2277] I'm going, man. I'm going, for sure.

[2278] I mean, while he's still alive, I want to come see him.

[2279] Dick Greger is the guy who, I mean, he's not just a comedian and activist, but he actually is the guy who brought Geraldo Rivera, this Zepruder footage, where he showed it on television.

[2280] Like, I think it was 10 years after Kennedy was assassinated, that showed Kennedy's head violently going back into the left and made people start to consider the fact that maybe he was shot by someone other than Lee Harvey Oswald and started all those conspiracy theories.

[2281] So he's a fascinating kind of a guy.

[2282] He is.

[2283] My father was a big fan of his.

[2284] lately, I don't know, he's taken some odd positions, but, you know, Dick Gregory?

[2285] On what?

[2286] I don't remember.

[2287] I just remember thinking, what happened with him?

[2288] But people do that, and then they come back.

[2289] Well, also, they get really old.

[2290] He's fucking wacky.

[2291] I'm sure he was, in his prime, he was so funny.

[2292] And, uh.

[2293] Well, he's a very important guy.

[2294] And it goes back, Lenny Bruce.

[2295] I mean, he's gone, but those, that spirit, it's, I'm sure it's alive.

[2296] Well, there's a lot of, there's a lot of those out.

[2297] Bill Burr's a great guy for that today.

[2298] He's very funny.

[2299] There's a lot of those people.

[2300] out there that are just, they need to be mocked and, you know, that's for comedians, that's fuel.

[2301] It's like we feed on dry wood you know, and fire catches dry wood.

[2302] We need a comedian invasion of the campuses.

[2303] But we're not going to do it.

[2304] It's not worth it.

[2305] There's too many angry people.

[2306] Like, we'll crack one joke and we'll get angry, you know, quote unquote, hashtag activists that'll attack you for days and days.

[2307] It's not worth it.

[2308] I'm not going to go.

[2309] It's not worth it.

[2310] They'll start chanting in the middle of your show and disrupt your performance.

[2311] They think that their sensibilities are more important than your performance.

[2312] It's just it's nonsense.

[2313] It's not, make them go out there and earn a living, pay bills, get drunk, do stupid things, get their car towed, then come to a show.

[2314] Come to a show when you understand reality.

[2315] Come to a show when you understand bills and frustrations and you know, come to a show when you're an adult.

[2316] Right now you're a baby that's often some, I mean, you're a child who's essentially gone from your house to some sort of a holding penitentiary.

[2317] They're indoctrinating you with all these wacky ideas and you want to yell at people.

[2318] I don't know.

[2319] Is there anything else you like to add before we wrap this thing up?

[2320] We just did three hours.

[2321] Are you serious?

[2322] Yeah.

[2323] Oh my goodness.

[2324] Flies by.

[2325] Crazy.

[2326] That's how it goes.

[2327] It's been fun.

[2328] Yeah, it's been great.

[2329] In your man cave here.

[2330] Have people seen this?

[2331] Some people have seen this.

[2332] It's getting more manly.

[2333] That's a recent addition, that mule deer head.

[2334] That's a recent one.

[2335] But, yeah, it's all stuff that either people have given me, like this little biggie statue.

[2336] or is Buddha.

[2337] I don't know.

[2338] It just sort of accumulates or stuff that I put here.

[2339] Yeah.

[2340] But this is where I told you before the show started.

[2341] I have to do this because in my house I'm a little bitch.

[2342] My house has been completely womanified.

[2343] Well, I recognize things that my sons or husband might have brought in and I would have pushed aside.

[2344] I've found a place for them in the attic.

[2345] I have things like this in the attic.

[2346] Yeah, well, when I shot that elk that's out in the hallway my wife is like, what are you going to do with this?

[2347] I'm like, don't worry.

[2348] I'll bring it to the office.

[2349] Jesus Christ.

[2350] That's how it goes.

[2351] Listen, thank you very much for doing this.

[2352] I really appreciate you flying out here.

[2353] And thank you for doing that video series.

[2354] I think it's excellent.

[2355] I think it's really important.

[2356] It's important for people to see that you are a kind and thoughtful person who is just, you are expressing yourself because you feel that there is an unchecked point or that there's a position that a lot of people have sort of taken on feminism that's not necessarily in line with how you think.

[2357] think the true nature of it was supposed to be when it was originally established.

[2358] Exactly.

[2359] And if they show me I'm wrong, I'll change my point of view.

[2360] I'm open, but don't cut off debate.

[2361] That's what's happened.

[2362] So I had to go on YouTube.

[2363] I'm not on the, I mean, I'll visit the campuses, but mainly now I'm making videos for the, maybe the kids younger than the millennials.

[2364] They're going to come along and rebel against these people in college now.

[2365] I think very likely that's possible.

[2366] I think, as we were saying before, that these people that are just learning how to navigate social media, we're learning sort of the do's and don'ts, the etiquette that's involved in communicating with people online.

[2367] And I think the more intelligent, rational people are realizing, well, you should communicate with people online, the way you should communicate with them if they were right there in front of you.

[2368] And if we start doing that, and I also think that this technology that we're experiencing right now, now is really the beginning of some sort of a much more invasive interfacing between human beings.

[2369] Invasive, I should say, instead of invasive, it would be much more comprehensive.

[2370] I think we're going to get some sort of a visual interaction with each other and maybe even some sort of a sharing of data where it's not even based on reading things, but you're actually going to be able to transmit thoughts to each other.

[2371] They've already figured out a way to transmit words.

[2372] It's like an extension of our minds and there can be merging.

[2373] Oh, my goodness, what are we going to have?

[2374] And I wish I would like to live to be 500 or 1 ,000, just to see what happens.

[2375] You might live to be 500 when you look at what science is doing today.

[2376] I think I'm just going to miss that.

[2377] Darn.

[2378] Well, if you do miss it, I think what you're doing, like I said, is very important.

[2379] And I think you're opening up a lot of people's eyes.

[2380] And you're also, you're a great spokesperson for it because you're balanced and rational.

[2381] And it's easy to accept you're a nice person.

[2382] So what you're saying is like coming from your point of view.

[2383] You're not grading on people It's nice, it's beautiful So I want to thank you Thank you very much for your series And thank you for doing this And if you ever have anything you need promoted Please just let us know Be happy to happy to get it out there for you Thank you.

[2384] Christina Summers ladies and gentlemen That's it.

[2385] Show's over.

[2386] Good night, bye, big kiss.